g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2008\2008-April.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From chalenor at msn.com Tue Apr 1 01:57:17 2008 From: chalenor at msn.com (John Chalenor) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:57:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX Message-ID: The VU meter display works intermittently on my 680ZX; it works when the power is turned on and then stops working a few minutes latter. I was thinking about having it fixed or wondering if this is something I could do myself. Any information on the cause and possible fix would be appreciated. Thanks, John C. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From EL34GUY at aol.com Tue Apr 1 00:20:29 2008 From: EL34GUY at aol.com (EL34GUY at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:20:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT "NAKTALK SPECIAL" Message-ID: Im pretty new to the group but have owned a Nakamichi for about 17 years. Does the LX-3 and Cr-2a use this belt? Thanks Mark **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fymido_lenito at yahoo.com Tue Apr 1 00:07:41 2008 From: fymido_lenito at yahoo.com (fymido lenito) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier Message-ID: <821225.12381.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone have any experience with using a Nakamichi tape deck (with output level control of course) as a pre-amplifier? Will it damage the tape deck if I make my CD player's signal go through it? Is it okay to have the tape deck directly connected to the power amplifier or to active speakers? Thanks in advance. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text4.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herbchong at compuserve.com Tue Apr 1 01:25:15 2008 From: herbchong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:25:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks In-Reply-To: References: <00f501c891f8$5300afd0$f9020f70$@com> Message-ID: <000d01c89386$81de9d50$859bd7f0$@com> I am well aware of what it sounds like with noise pumping and I am also well aware of what happens when you have a properly calibrated unit, which isn't necessarily what comes from the factory or even when the deck and the unit are both merely within factory specs. All I can say is that with a properly calibrated and matched dbx unit to a sufficiently good deck, you will hear at worst case noise pumping that is comparable to a good Dolby C unit and usually inaudible even on very dramatic music with lots of dynamic range shifts. For a period of time, dbx was notorious for extremely poor quality control and there were many units out there that were nominally in spec that weren't close to what was needed for correct function. On my HighCOM unit, I could hear a small amount of noise pumping because I had no way of doing internal time constant calibration, only level. Herb.. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Michael Downs Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:09 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks When I first began using dbx with my Nak deck, I contacted the dbx tech. support to discuss the noise pumping issue with them. There were numerous conversations and they ended up swapping out my unit. In the end it was determined that the dbx unit and Nak deck were performing properly. The tech. support person stated there must be some unknown incompatibility between Nakamichi decks and dbx noise reduction units, since most of the people that complained about the noise pumping were Nak owners. It was only much later that I realized that many Nak owners were truly into listening to music and not just accepting the great S/N specifications. Most critical listeners would not feel that the extra noise reduction was worth the non-musical side effects. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 1 01:16:43 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:16:43 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT Message-ID: <11103988.1207005403096.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Fred, We all did our taxes last weekend (gulp). How about an extension? Many NakTalkers read the digest once a week, or only read their mail every few days. It would be nice to include them in the offer. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Marrs Communications >Sent: Mar 31, 2008 11:47 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT "NAKTALK SPECIAL" > >HELLO TO ALL, > >TODAY IS THE LAST DAY OF THE NAKTALK SPECIAL! I HAVE ONLY RECEIVED 2 >ORDERS ? HERE ARE THE DETAILS. >__________________________________________________________________________ > >Since Naktalk was one of the reasons I decided to have the 8096-D >produced, I want to make the following introductory offer to all >members. This "special" will only be available through 3/31. >THE OFFER: To Qualify, you must purchase a minimum of 5 belts. The >maximum which may be purchased (at this time), is 10 per household. The >$3.25 U.S. / $6.25 Worldwide shipping charge applies for (up to 10 >pieces). Currently the deepest discount available is for 24 to 36 pieces >at $19.96 each. From now through 3/31 the Naktalk "special" is $20.00 >ea. Please do not wait to buy, thinking I will lower the price, it will >not happen! (at least for a very long time). Remember, 5 piece >minimum, 10 maximum. Retail customers come first. IF (which I doubt), >I run short the retail customer gets theirs first. When I first >appeared on Naktalk, I mentioned this belt, without much interest ? >It's here, It works, enjoy ! Thanks everyone! Fred M. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Apr 1 05:39:35 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:39:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier In-Reply-To: <821225.12381.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <821225.12381.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15CA8D39-8A9D-4644-A205-8068E84DF86D@kvglabs.com> I wouldn't. The motor will be running all the time. Why put wear on your rare motor unnecessarily, is my thinking. You can find excellent preamps on eBay inexpensively. Or you could grab a 6SN7, 6CG7, or 12AU7 tube; or a high-end audio-optimized opamp, or some hand-selected 2N2222 or 2N3904 transistors and make your own preamp. On Mar 31, 2008, at 5:07 PM, fymido lenito wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with using a Nakamichi tape deck > (with output level control of course) as a pre-amplifier? Will it > damage the tape deck if I make my CD player's signal go through it? > Is it okay to have the tape deck directly connected to the power > amplifier or to active speakers? > Thanks in advance. > > > Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access > for one month at no > cost > .========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Apr 1 05:58:44 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:58:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAW Software Plug-Ins for Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <90332F3E-B0FC-4130-B539-728A5F2B911D@kvglabs.com> The DAW Software Plug-Ins for Nakamichi Cassette Decks are now completed and available for download. We've spent years perfecting these and have ensured compatibility with Audacity, Cubase, Logic, Nuendo and ProTools or any DAW accommodating either AU or VST plug- ins. They are available only in AU and VST formats for PC and Mac. The plug-ins emulate the sound of the following Nakamichi cassette decks: 500 550 600, 600-II 700 1000, 10000-II, 1000ZXL 680ZX Dragon LX-5 RX-202 I am having problems with the auto-azimuth of the Dragon plug-in in VST format, but the manual bias feature of the other plug-ins works perfectly. You may download the plug-ins from my web site at http://www.kvglabs.com/nakaplugins.html -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Apr 1 06:19:24 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:19:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks In-Reply-To: <033120080331.14583.47F05B1F00097EBD000038F722243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> References: <033120080331.14583.47F05B1F00097EBD000038F722243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <6C627C13-1903-4E09-AC57-90877A36A025@kvglabs.com> Hi Dino, Fortunately, you have the 224DS because its metering is a good aid to calibration. I too have long been enthusiastic about dbx and have worked to overcome its limitations. I have the 222, 224, 224DS, 150X, and 155; so I have both Type I and Type II. I've used dbx on both my 1/2-track reel-to-reels and my four-track reel-to-reels. If the original recordings are made with Teac or Tascam's dbx, then the 224DS will mistrack because the timing constants and pre-emphasis of the Teac/Tascam units are different. I'm wondering if your 4 track 2 channel decks had used the Teac/Tascam version. If not, then those decks have a frequency response error that is magnified by the 224DS decoder. The dbx manual is abject explaining setup. This caused me to develop my own method of calibrating dbx NRs in 1977. dbx advises you simply start making a recording and set it up by ear. Bad advice. Below is my method for calibrating dbx. 1. Create one of the two following test signals (your choice): TEST SIGNAL 1 -- Filtered Pink Noise, -3 dB at 80 Hz and 10 kHz, rolling off below 70 Hz and above 10 kHz at a rate of 6 dB per octave. Filter all frequencies below 40 Hz as sharply as possibly. TEST SIGNAL 2 -- 400 cps Warble Tone. (I find the filtered pink noise is best. Fixed sine wave tones do not seem to provide accurate calibration.) 2. Bypass (switch off) the DBX. 3. Record the test signal onto tape at -7 dB (preferred) or -10 dB level, whichever is most convenient for how your meter scale is labeled. 4. Ensure the recorder plays back the test signal at the same level it was recorded. If not, realign the recorder and repeat Step 3. 5. LOG THE LEVEL that the test signal produces in whatever the recorder is connected to (mixer, preamp, receiver, &c.) This becomes a playback reference level. You’ll need to refer to it later. 6. Enable (switch on) the DBX. 7. Without changing the setting of the record level controls, verify that the input/recording level reads the same as in Step 3. Do not record at this time, simply set the level. 8. If the input/recording level DOES NOT read the same as in Step 3, adjust the DBX’s REC LEVEL or INPUT LEVEL trim controls until the input/recording level reads the same as in Step 3 previously. 9. Record the test signal, leaving the DBX enabled (switched on). 10. While recording, note whether the test signal produces the same playback level that you logged previously in Step 5. If not, adjust the DBX’s OUTPUT LEVEL or PLAY LEVEL trim controls until it does. 11. Playback the recording of the test signal. Again, note whether the test signal produces the same level that you logged previously in Step 5. If not, adjust the DBX’s OUTPUT LEVEL or PLAY LEVEL trim controls until it does. 12. This completes the optimization procedure. Record beautiful music with dbx noise reduction! On Mar 30, 2008, at 10:31 PM, ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: > Kermit. > > I am an unrepentant DBX junkie, what with a small plethora of (4) > DBX 224DS set up in each rack and the incredible results with 2 > track 2 channel decks at 3.34 ips (to maximize duration). The noise > is virtually eliminated and the dynamic range explosion is > phenominal. However, ALL of the 4 track 2 channel decks are a > different story. I cannot get any of them to sound natural, due to > pumping/breathing artifacts. How does one set tracking correctly to > avoid. The manual doesn't do a credible job of explaining the > correct method to eliminate. Can you help explain how to correctly > set up recording levels, etc. dino > -------------- Original message from Kermit Gray >: -------------- > > Hi Martin, > > dbx type I and Type II differ in the details of their level sensing > circuits that control the complementary compression/expansion > processes. Type I is optimized for 15 ips or 30 ips studio reel-to- > reel recorders. Type II is designed to be more forgiving of encode/ > decode errors and is intended for cassette recorders and home reel- > to-reels running at 7.5 ips or slower. > > Type I provides more than 30 dB of noise reduction and Type II > provides only about 20 dB of noise reduction despite claims of 30 > dB, although you can get 30 dB with a high quality deck. I've gotten > 30 dB with Type II on my Nak 600 -- and i've gotten a Type I to work > with a Nak 600! > > Type I has an undeserved reputation of being more prone to > mistracking side-effects. > > If you have a dbx cassette then it will be Type II. I recommend the > 222, 224 and NX-40. I have all three in my rig; the NX-40 sounds > cheaper compared to the 222 and 224, though. > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Apr 1 06:32:38 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:32:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks In-Reply-To: <32111142.1206967550485.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <32111142.1206967550485.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <047CA31E-2ADE-4AF9-B6D8-8D3F7168CE3E@kvglabs.com> Hi Tom, Yes, the oversensitivity to low frequencies is a major problem with early dbx Type I and was solved with newer units. The Type II has a sharp LF rolloff to try to minimize mistracking from LF content. I've heard many recordists criticize dbx for poor transients and transient smearing. That's a valid criticism, especially with the truly awful dbx NR systems built into Marantz, Teac and Tascam recorders as well as the cheaper dbx units like the NX-40. I recently sold my Marantz PMD430 cassette out of disgust for its awful dbx NR -- I never recorded with its dbx. Besides, my Nakamichi 550 is a far better sounding deck than the Marantz anyway! The dbx's pumping and transient smearing defects can be reduced to inaudibility with careful (actually, obsessive) attention to calibration and if the dbx is used only with highest-end recorders and tapes, although it can be frustrating to achieve the best that dbx can deliver. (Sometimes so frustrating that many recordists give up on dbx and declare dbx unacceptable.) The tendency for dbx to smear transients was one of the reasons I researched a better way to calibrate their levels in 1977. Since then I've enjoyed near-flawless sound from dbx NRs free of the adverse artifacts that can typify any compander noise reduction like dbx. I do not recall Nakamichi writing any white papers comparing NRs. On Mar 31, 2008, at 7:45 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Thanks Kermit, > > I admit I have always "written off" dbx for cassette use, and > didn't realize dbx II was modified dbx I. The difference between the > two is certainly in low frequency cutoff, a notorious problem with > dbx I in live recording venues. Naks decks with flat low,low > frequency response, which is almost any 3 head model, will operate > well with dbx I or II. Did Nak publish any "white papers" discussing > dolby vs. dbx vs. Hi Com ? IIRC dbx circuitry was a guarded secret > for a long time before dbx finally integrated it into one IC, which > is when it was added to Technics, Teac, Yamaha, and other cassettes. > (and Tascam reels) > > tom brucker > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Apr 1 02:14:51 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:14:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT "NAKTALK SPECIAL" Message-ID: In a message dated 3/31/2008 5:02:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, EL34GUY at aol.com writes: Does the LX-3 and Cr-2a use this belt? The LX-3 does, the CR-2A doesn't. The CR-2A uses a 6.8 inch belt with easier tolerances. Jeff W **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue Apr 1 02:29:44 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:29:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT In-Reply-To: <11103988.1207005403096.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <11103988.1207005403096.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47F181F8.20602@marrscommunications.com> Tom, Ok, I will extend it through 4/6 (Saturday). Are you any closer to finishing up YOUR measurements on the 8096-D ? Tom Brucker wrote: >Fred, > We all did our taxes last weekend (gulp). How about an extension? Many NakTalkers read the digest once a week, or only read their mail every few days. It would be nice to include them in the offer. > >tom brucker > > >-----Original Message----- > > >>From: Marrs Communications >>Sent: Mar 31, 2008 11:47 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT "NAKTALK SPECIAL" >> >>HELLO TO ALL, >> >>TODAY IS THE LAST DAY OF THE NAKTALK SPECIAL! I HAVE ONLY RECEIVED 2 >>ORDERS ? HERE ARE THE DETAILS. >>__________________________________________________________________________ >> >>Since Naktalk was one of the reasons I decided to have the 8096-D >>produced, I want to make the following introductory offer to all >>members. This "special" will only be available through 3/31. >>THE OFFER: To Qualify, you must purchase a minimum of 5 belts. The >>maximum which may be purchased (at this time), is 10 per household. The >>$3.25 U.S. / $6.25 Worldwide shipping charge applies for (up to 10 >>pieces). Currently the deepest discount available is for 24 to 36 pieces >>at $19.96 each. From now through 3/31 the Naktalk "special" is $20.00 >>ea. Please do not wait to buy, thinking I will lower the price, it will >>not happen! (at least for a very long time). Remember, 5 piece >>minimum, 10 maximum. Retail customers come first. IF (which I doubt), >>I run short the retail customer gets theirs first. When I first >>appeared on Naktalk, I mentioned this belt, without much interest ? >>It's here, It works, enjoy ! Thanks everyone! Fred M. >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Apr 1 06:07:55 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:07:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DAW Software Plug-Ins for Nakamichi Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <90332F3E-B0FC-4130-B539-728A5F2B911D@kvglabs.com> References: <90332F3E-B0FC-4130-B539-728A5F2B911D@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <20080401040753.WXUE15722.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha and not only that, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You got me and I think I was the first to bite! I had no idea what you were talking about but I just had to have one. hahahahahahahahahaha At 11:58 PM 3/31/2008, you wrote: >The DAW Software Plug-Ins for Nakamichi Cassette Decks are now >completed and available for download. We've spent years perfecting >these and have ensured compatibility with Audacity, Cubase, Logic, >Nuendo and ProTools or any DAW accommodating either AU or VST plug- >ins. They are available only in AU and VST formats for PC and Mac. > >The plug-ins emulate the sound of the following Nakamichi cassette >decks: > >500 >550 >600, 600-II >700 >1000, 10000-II, 1000ZXL >680ZX >Dragon >LX-5 >RX-202 > >I am having problems with the auto-azimuth of the Dragon plug-in in >VST format, but the manual bias feature of the other plug-ins works >perfectly. > >You may download the plug-ins from my web site at >http://www.kvglabs.com/nakaplugins.html > >-- Kermit Gray >notarbene at kvglabs.com >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to Make Your Music Better >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >Telephone: 913-422-0957 >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kevin.bishop at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 06:14:59 2008 From: kevin.bishop at gmail.com (Kevin Bishop) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:14:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4A Advice Message-ID: <72D2755E-FC7F-4AAE-9F4D-B88A0DFEBDDE@gmail.com> Hello. I'm a relatively new member to the list, and I'm hoping that I can benefit from the wisdom of the other members to help out my CR-4A. I've gone through a bunch of the archives, but haven't quite found something that describes the same problem I'm having. Here's what is happening: - On power up everything lights up like normal, and the left spindle turns as usual to take up any slack. - If FF or RWD buttons are pressed the appropriate spindle runs for a couple seconds and then stops. The numbers on the tape counter do not move off of 0000. This behavior is the same regardless of whether a tape is present or not. - If the Play button is pressed, the heads rise and the tape starts to move, but in less than a second it stops again. When looking with the door removed it appears that the capstans and rollers are not turning at all. Again, this is the same regardless of whether a tape is present or not. Can anybody provide some clues as to what might be happening and whether it may be fixable by a mere mortal? Also, would the Nak service manual help debug this? Or is it more of a set of schematics? I'm actually the original owner of the deck and while it doesn't get much use lately, I was really bummed when I turned it on a few weeks ago and found that it had given up the ghost. By the way, I have emailed with Jeff at Electronics Service Labs and I'm afraid that the cost for a rehab session are more than I'm willing to spend at this time. Thanks in advance for your advice. Kevin From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 08:28:19 2008 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:28:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] DAW Software Plug-Ins for Nakamichi Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <90332F3E-B0FC-4130-B539-728A5F2B911D@kvglabs.com> References: <90332F3E-B0FC-4130-B539-728A5F2B911D@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: This is a good April Fool's day joke, right? If only it is true! I haven't clicked on the link yet but but program is actually downloaded? > From: notarbene at kvglabs.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:58:44 -0500 > Subject: [naktalk] DAW Software Plug-Ins for Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > The DAW Software Plug-Ins for Nakamichi Cassette Decks are now > completed and available for download. We've spent years perfecting > these and have ensured compatibility with Audacity, Cubase, Logic, > Nuendo and ProTools or any DAW accommodating either AU or VST plug- > ins. They are available only in AU and VST formats for PC and Mac. > > The plug-ins emulate the sound of the following Nakamichi cassette > decks: > > 500 > 550 > 600, 600-II > 700 > 1000, 10000-II, 1000ZXL > 680ZX > Dragon > LX-5 > RX-202 > > I am having problems with the auto-azimuth of the Dragon plug-in in > VST format, but the manual bias feature of the other plug-ins works > perfectly. > > You may download the plug-ins from my web site at http://www.kvglabs.com/nakaplugins.html > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the next generation of Windows Live http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Apr 1 13:53:13 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:53:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier In-Reply-To: <15CA8D39-8A9D-4644-A205-8068E84DF86D@kvglabs.com> References: <821225.12381.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <15CA8D39-8A9D-4644-A205-8068E84DF86D@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910804010453p4f8f0d22n1a9cadbfd2e8508a@mail.gmail.com> It depends of which deck though, some have their capstans turning all the time, but my BX-2 and 480's capstans don't turn on stop position. Antoine > Does anyone have any experience with using a Nakamichi tape deck (with > output level control of course) as a pre-amplifier? Will it damage the tape > deck if I make my CD player's signal go through it? Is it okay to have the > tape deck directly connected to the power amplifier or to active speakers? > Thanks in advance. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Tue Apr 1 17:27:52 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:27:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX Message-ID: <8CA622415E89EA1-10A0-2CB@MBLK-M19.sysops.aol.com> Hi John That's a common fault in the 680ZX. Replace defective capacitor C901 in the FL Indicator module - it's on PCB C and is 4.7nF. Regards John Gipps Message: 13 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:57:17 -0700 From: "John Chalenor" Subject: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The VU meter display works intermittently on my 680ZX; it works when the power is turned on and then stops working a few minutes latter. I was thinking about having it fixed or wondering if this is something I could do myself. Any information on the cause and possible fix would be appreciated. Thanks, John C. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Tue Apr 1 18:01:22 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:01:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier Message-ID: <8CA6228C43C4349-10A0-579@MBLK-M19.sysops.aol.com> Hi Fymido I actually did do that for quite a while at one stage with a ZX-7 - my CD player plugged into "input" on the ZX-7, and the ZX-7 "output" connected to the input on my power amplifier. It worked well - selecting between CD and Tape was simply using the tape/source switch on the ZX-7. I don't do it now, as my current amplifier is integrated. I liked the idea when I had a separate power amp, as I always used the preamp "flat" anyway, and line inputs mostly have 0dB gain on many preamps, so my preamp was only being used as a switch box and volume control - both features available in the ZX-7. I like minimal. I wouldn't be concerned about the Nakamichi capstan motor running all the time - many people never switch their decks off, and many people turn on the whole system so that the tape deck is on even if they're using some other source. I always switch on all components of my system whenever I listen to any source, and my cassette deck motors are fine after a couple of decades. Nakamichi in their wisdom thought this was ok too - the vast majority of Nakamichi decks run their capstan motors all the time that the decks are switched on - a few Nakamichi decks don't - they incorporate a transistor in the capstan motor circuit that only switches the motor on in the play mode. Interestingly, I have found some Nakamichi models that have unused locations on their PCBs for a capstan motor switch transistor and circuitry - so Nakamichi designed the feature into them, then decided not to have that feature. Regards John Gipps Message: 15 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:07:41 -0700 (PDT) From: fymido lenito Subject: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <821225.12381.qm at web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone have any experience with using a Nakamichi tape deck (with output level control of course) as a pre-amplifier? Will it damage the tape deck if I make my CD player's signal go through it? Is it okay to have the tape deck directly connected to the power amplifier or to active speakers? Thanks in advance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Tue Apr 1 11:48:00 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:48:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4A Advice References: <72D2755E-FC7F-4AAE-9F4D-B88A0DFEBDDE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001401c893dd$78c23c70$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> If it's anything like the 670zx I just worked on there will be a belt coming from the take-up reel hub(right spindle) that drives a rotation sensor which acts as a jack-shaft for another belt to then drive the tape counter. If for any reason the rotation sensor doesn't sense the take up reel turning the deck will quickly stop and since your tape counter is not counting and it is driven from this sensor it would suggest that the sensor is also not turning. Could be something stuck, slipping, or broken. If you can get the flat-black panel in the back of the cassette well off then you might be able to see what the problem is. Hope this helps. Rainer S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bishop" To: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-4A Advice > Hello. > > I'm a relatively new member to the list, and I'm hoping that I can > benefit from the wisdom of the other members to help out my CR-4A. I've > gone through a bunch of the archives, but haven't quite found something > that describes the same problem I'm having. > > Here's what is happening: > - On power up everything lights up like normal, and the left spindle > turns as usual to take up any slack. > - If FF or RWD buttons are pressed the appropriate spindle runs for a > couple seconds and then stops. The numbers on the tape counter do not > move off of 0000. This behavior is the same regardless of whether a tape > is present or not. > - If the Play button is pressed, the heads rise and the tape starts to > move, but in less than a second it stops again. When looking with the > door removed it appears that the capstans and rollers are not turning at > all. Again, this is the same regardless of whether a tape is present or > not. > > Can anybody provide some clues as to what might be happening and whether > it may be fixable by a mere mortal? Also, would the Nak service manual > help debug this? Or is it more of a set of schematics? > > I'm actually the original owner of the deck and while it doesn't get much > use lately, I was really bummed when I turned it on a few weeks ago and > found that it had given up the ghost. By the way, I have emailed with > Jeff at Electronics Service Labs and I'm afraid that the cost for a rehab > session are more than I'm willing to spend at this time. > > Thanks in advance for your advice. > > Kevin > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 1 16:24:09 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:24:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier In-Reply-To: <821225.12381.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <821225.12381.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47F24589.7030401@rcn.com> If your deck has the capstan motor running whenever power is on, that's not a good idea. This is specifically true for DD Sankyo transports. -- Ron fymido lenito wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with using a Nakamichi tape deck (with > output level control of course) as a pre-amplifier? Will it damage the > tape deck if I make my CD player's signal go through it? Is it okay to > have the tape deck directly connected to the power amplifier or to > active speakers? > Thanks in advance. > From theshorty at bigpond.com Tue Apr 1 11:51:03 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:51:03 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt References: <33433520.1206454397992.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net><00b001c88ffe$16422d40$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> <002501c89057$baf08ae0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <012b01c893dd$e5f9ada0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Rainer, OK, measured the belts and dimensions are: 11" long x 0.0185" thick x 0.156" wide (imperial) or 280mm long x 0.47mm thick x 4mm wide (metric) they are discretly marked with a direction arrow. I can't guarantee that they are genuine but they were amongst the bones of remains of Nakamichi NZ!!. Can anyone tell me the correct part number?.. I am interested to know if this belts fits any other deck as well. or unique to the TD700... (if this is a TD700 belts that is) cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue Apr 1 11:42:05 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 04:42:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT "NAKTALK SPECIAL" In-Reply-To: <30215706.1207015564267.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30215706.1207015564267.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47F2036D.1020902@marrscommunications.com> One Correction Tom, The ZX-9 does NOT use the 8096D.. Fred M. Tom Brucker wrote: > LX3 does, CR 2 does not. The classic belt fits: > > 580 series > > 680 series > > 480 series > > LX3,LX5 ZX7, ZX9, RX505 > > 700ZXE,700ZXL, 1000ZXL > > > -----Original Message----- > From: EL34GUY at aol.com > Sent: Mar 31, 2008 5:20 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT "NAKTALK SPECIAL" > > Im pretty new to the group but have owned a Nakamichi for about 17 > years. > > Does the LX-3 and Cr-2a use this belt? > > Thanks > > Mark > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home > . > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue Apr 1 19:44:30 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:44:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] EXTENSION OF 8096-D SPECIAL OFFER THROUGH 4/6/08 Message-ID: <47F2747E.8020606@marrscommunications.com> At the request of Tom and several other members, I have agreed to extend the "Special" through 4/6/08. Thanks! Fred M. From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Apr 1 20:46:58 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:46:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Metal cassettes Message-ID: <003e01c89428$c45a8b10$3201000a@gabrenas> Anyone interested in purchasing some Sony XR Metal C-60's? I have a CR-9A as well....... Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Apr 1 20:58:36 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-4A Advice In-Reply-To: <001401c893dd$78c23c70$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <80453.23626.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Check whether the Capstans are rotating when you switch the Deck - CR 4A Capstan drive is a DD motor and is running all teh time when you switch on this machine. If the Capstans do not rotate - the symptoms will be exactly like yours kannan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Bishop" To: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-4A Advice > Hello. > > I'm a relatively new member to the list, and I'm hoping that I can > benefit from the wisdom of the other members to help out my CR-4A. I've > gone through a bunch of the archives, but haven't quite found something > that describes the same problem I'm having. > > Here's what is happening: > - On power up everything lights up like normal, and the left spindle > turns as usual to take up any slack. > - If FF or RWD buttons are pressed the appropriate spindle runs for a > couple seconds and then stops. The numbers on the tape counter do not > move off of 0000. This behavior is the same regardless of whether a tape > is present or not. > - If the Play button is pressed, the heads rise and the tape starts to > move, but in less than a second it stops again. When looking with the > door removed it appears that the capstans and rollers are not turning at > all. Again, this is the same regardless of whether a tape is present or > not. > > Can anybody provide some clues as to what might be happening and whether > it may be fixable by a mere mortal? Also, would the Nak service manual > help debug this? Or is it more of a set of schematics? > > I'm actually the original owner of the deck and while it doesn't get much > use lately, I was really bummed when I turned it on a few weeks ago and > found that it had given up the ghost. By the way, I have emailed with > Jeff at Electronics Service Labs and I'm afraid that the cost for a rehab > session are more than I'm willing to spend at this time. > > Thanks in advance for your advice. > > Kevin > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Apr 1 23:23:39 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:23:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR-4A Advice Message-ID: In a message dated 4/1/2008 2:06:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com writes: Check whether the Capstans are rotating when you switch the Deck - CR 4A Capstan drive is a DD motor and is running all teh time when you switch on this machine. If the Capstans do not rotate - the symptoms will be exactly like yours kannan I have a CR-4 with a bad DD motor - the symptoms aren't quite like the CR-4 in question. This machine looks like it might have a bad reel motor, or a failure of the circuit which controls the reel motor, as my other CR-4 did. According to Willy Hermann's note which he gave me after repairing the deck, C604 shorted out taking out R692. He wound up replacing C604, R692, & IC608. Jeff W **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Wed Apr 2 04:38:59 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:38:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Metal cassettes In-Reply-To: <595452.56024.qm@web83712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000201c8946a$b55fd560$3201000a@gabrenas> Ok the CR-9A is an April fools joke, however the metal C-60's are for real. Last night I did a thorough test with a CR-7A and Dragon. Both showed +/- 1dB from 20Hz to 20KHz. Anyone who are still seeking Type IV cassettes, The price on these are very reasonable. I need to contact the vender and see what pricing and quantities are. Let me know soon. Model: Sony XR Metal Bias C-60 Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: jesse ruff [mailto:jeruff at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:40 PM To: gabrenas at math.utah.edu; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Metal cassettes What's a CR-9A? --- Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Anyone interested in purchasing some Sony XR Metal > C-60's? > > I have a CR-9A as well....... > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: > 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: > 105 LCB > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Tue Apr 1 23:10:38 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:10:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Metal cassettes In-Reply-To: <003e01c89428$c45a8b10$3201000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: Do you mean CR-7a? I don't know of a cr-9a... Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Victor Gabrenas Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:47 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Metal cassettes Anyone interested in purchasing some Sony XR Metal C-60's? I have a CR-9A as well....... Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jeruff at yahoo.com Wed Apr 2 03:39:46 2008 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Metal cassettes In-Reply-To: <003e01c89428$c45a8b10$3201000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: <595452.56024.qm@web83712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> What's a CR-9A? --- Victor Gabrenas wrote: > Anyone interested in purchasing some Sony XR Metal > C-60's? > > I have a CR-9A as well....... > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: > 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: > 105 LCB > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 2 03:40:04 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:40:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier In-Reply-To: <8CA6228C43C4349-10A0-579@MBLK-M19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA6228C43C4349-10A0-579@MBLK-M19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47F2E3F4.4060703@rcn.com> johngipps at aol.com wrote: > Hi Fymido > > [...] > > I wouldn't be concerned about the Nakamichi capstan motor running all > the time I certainly would! Specifically, the Sankyo DD transports run the capstan motor all the time and the bearing regularly require cleaning and lubrication; in 'normal' home use, about every year or two. In my case (CR-7), if I had the deck running even while listening to LPs and CDs, it would need service every month or two couple of months. > - many people never switch their decks off, and many people > turn on the whole system so that the tape deck is on even if they're > using some other source. I always switch on all components of my system > whenever I listen to any source, and my cassette deck motors are fine > after a couple of decades. I wonder, what model do you own? -- Ron > Nakamichi in their wisdom thought this was ok > too - the vast majority of Nakamichi decks run their capstan motors all > the time that the decks are switched on - a few Nakamichi decks don't - > they incorporate a transistor in the capstan motor circuit that only > switches the motor on in the play mode. Interestingly, I have found some > Nakamichi models that have unused locations on their PCBs for a capstan > motor switch transistor and circuitry - so Nakamichi designed the > feature into them, then decided not to have that feature. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > Message: 15 > > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:07:41 -0700 (PDT) > > From: fymido lenito > > > Subject: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: <821225.12381.qm at web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Does anyone have any experience with using a Nakamichi tape deck (with output > > level control of course) as a pre-amplifier? Will it damage the tape deck if I > > make my CD player's signal go through it? Is it okay to have the tape deck > > directly connected to the power amplifier or to active speakers? > > Thanks in advance. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides > . > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bernardsda at hotmail.com Wed Apr 2 09:54:04 2008 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:54:04 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Metal cassettes In-Reply-To: <595452.56024.qm@web83712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <003e01c89428$c45a8b10$3201000a@gabrenas> <595452.56024.qm@web83712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Victor. The Sony tapes: Are they new? How many are there and how much are you asking for them. I rather like those particular tapes. Bernard White> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:39:46 -0700> From: jeruff at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Metal cassettes> To: gabrenas at math.utah.edu; naktalk at naks.com> CC: > > What's a CR-9A? > --- Victor Gabrenas wrote:> > > Anyone interested in purchasing some Sony XR Metal> > C-60's?> > > > I have a CR-9A as well.......> > > > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > > 1-801-581-5257> > University of Utah FAX: > > 1-801-581-4148> > Department of Mathematics Email:> > gabrenas at math.utah.edu> > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL:> > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas> > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: > > 105 LCB> > > > > > > > > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today!> > http://www.naks.com/register> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here:> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> You rock. 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URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 14:11:49 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:11:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Broken CR-7 on ebay UK Message-ID: <518b7b10804020511k28d8195mbfb3faea1451a368@mail.gmail.com> So what's wrong with this one then ? How bad is it ? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160224658114&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=006 -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Apr 2 15:04:58 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 06:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-4A Advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <181490.80237.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Also look at reel hub sensor behind the hubs as the issue - no diplay change when reels rotate - I have seen them failing in BX 300, however check DD motors work , Apply 6 V to reel motor externally and that keeps the motor running most probable cause is Reel hub sensor or circuit connecting this sensor Kannan Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/1/2008 2:06:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com writes: Check whether the Capstans are rotating when you switch the Deck - CR 4A Capstan drive is a DD motor and is running all teh time when you switch on this machine. If the Capstans do not rotate - the symptoms will be exactly like yours kannan I have a CR-4 with a bad DD motor - the symptoms aren't quite like the CR-4 in question. This machine looks like it might have a bad reel motor, or a failure of the circuit which controls the reel motor, as my other CR-4 did. According to Willy Hermann's note which he gave me after repairing the deck, C604 shorted out taking out R692. He wound up replacing C604, R692, & IC608. Jeff W --------------------------------- Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- You rock. 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My test machines are not very sophisticated so I would not consider my results definitive. I would still like to get a test result from a Nak-trained technician who has good test equipment. all the best. Jeff Whittier **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Thu Apr 3 03:59:31 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:59:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Metal cassettes In-Reply-To: <000201c8946a$b55fd560$3201000a@gabrenas> References: <595452.56024.qm@web83712.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <000201c8946a$b55fd560$3201000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: <040320080159.10256.47F43A020006A6A00000281022216125569B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Hi. What are your terms? Is there a contact phone number? Are these Metal cassettes new/used ? dan -------------- Original message from "Victor Gabrenas" : -------------- > Ok the CR-9A is an April fools joke, however the metal C-60's are for real. > Last night I did a thorough test with a CR-7A and Dragon. Both showed +/- > 1dB from 20Hz to 20KHz. Anyone who are still seeking Type IV cassettes, The > price on these are very reasonable. I need to contact the vender and see > what pricing and quantities are. > > Let me know soon. > > Model: Sony XR Metal Bias C-60 > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jesse ruff [mailto:jeruff at yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:40 PM > To: gabrenas at math.utah.edu; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Metal cassettes > > What's a CR-9A? > --- Victor Gabrenas wrote: > > > Anyone interested in purchasing some Sony XR Metal > > C-60's? > > > > I have a CR-9A as well....... > > > > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > > 1-801-581-5257 > > University of Utah FAX: > > 1-801-581-4148 > > Department of Mathematics Email: > > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: > > 105 LCB > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Apr 3 04:36:18 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:36:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Metal cassettes In-Reply-To: <040320080159.10256.47F43A020006A6A00000281022216125569B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <000401c89533$7fba5dd0$3201000a@gabrenas> Still sealed and they come in boxes of 10 pcs or 120 pcs. I should know more on the pricing tomorrow. Ruff guess would be $3.00 per tape plus shipping. If I heard correctly, there is approx 100,000 of them available. My terms are "as is" no warranty. The samples I have tested very well. I had the same concerns. The tapes have a very smooth travel as well. Going to try a wow and flutter recording soon. Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:             gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       Office:                       105 LCB   -----Original Message----- From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net [mailto:ddino77 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:00 PM To: gabrenas at math.utah.edu; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Metal cassettes Hi. What are your terms? Is there a contact phone number? Are these Metal cassettes new/used ?   dan -------------- Original message from "Victor Gabrenas" : -------------- > Ok the CR-9A is an April fools joke, however the metal C-60's are for real. > Last night I did a thorough test with a CR-7A and Dragon. Both showed +/- > 1dB from 20Hz to 20KHz. Anyone who are still seeking Type IV cassettes, The > price on these are very reasonable. I need to contact the vender and see > what pricing and quantities are. > > Let me know soon. > > Model: Sony XR Metal Bias C-60 > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > --- --Original Message----- > From: jesse ruff [mailto:jeruff at yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:40 PM > To: gabrenas at math.utah.edu; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Metal cassettes > > What's a CR-9A? > --- Victor Gabrenas wrote: > > > Anyone interested in purchasing some Sony XR Metal > > C-60's? > > > > I have a CR-9A as well....... > > > > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > > 1-801-581-5257 > > University of Utah FAX: > > 1-801-581-4148 > > Department of Mathematics Email: > > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: > > 105 LCB > > > > > > > > > > > ========------ ---------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster > Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--- ------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Apr 3 12:10:02 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:10:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] adjusting VU meters of 1000 II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lee, As I still owning the same deck since 1978...NO only fron the front... I adjust once 2 decades ago! Good Luck, Alex! From: lkk3110 at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:08:07 +0000Subject: [naktalk] adjusting VU meters of 1000 II Hitried adjusting the meters via the front small screws hoping to balance both needle to show the same positions (power off) but the movement range is too small. Can it be done from the back of the meters?ThksLee Express yourself and stay connected with the latest Windows Live Messenger! Windows Live Messenger _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_packup_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk Thu Apr 3 09:40:24 2008 From: dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk (Dave Bowley) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:40:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Freds New Classic Capstan belts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If U look closely he does state in his adverts that, where the 8096D belt is an alternative, U can add $18 to substitute this for the normal one supplied Dave From: Perryinva at aol.comDate: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:08:56 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] Freds New Classic Capstan belts?To: naktalk at naks.com Yes, but his ebay ads still only list belt "sets" and have the same $19.95 price, so that CAN'T be for the set with a new "D" belt, as he gets $20 for just the belt in a quantity of 5! I emailed him on ebay but got no answer. Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. _________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the next generation of Windows Live http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Thu Apr 3 12:33:27 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:33:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Freds New Classic Capstan belts / Upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47F4B277.6040708@marrscommunications.com> Hello, The 8096-D capstan belt is available with any kit that uses it, for an additional $18.00. I thought I added this upgrade to every listing? I must have missed one. Fred M. Perryinva at aol.com wrote: > Yes, but his ebay ads still only list belt "sets" and have the same > $19.95 price, so that CAN'T be for the set with a new "D" belt, as he > gets $20 for just the belt in a quantity of 5! I emailed him on ebay > but got no answer. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home > . > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Thu Apr 3 12:45:28 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:45:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: other test results for Fred's Belt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47F4B548.5040409@marrscommunications.com> Hi Jeff, Thank you for posting your findings. It is appreciated! Fred M. Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > Well, I have run wow & flutter tests on one of Fred's new belts on a > Fidelia W&F tester and a Leader W&F machine and am not getting the > same results as Andy. Fred was kind enough to send me 2 belts for > testing when I bought a 682ZX belt kit from him on eBay. > > I used a Nakamichi 481 with an original Nak 8096 belt, now getting old > and a little dry. The original Nak belt tested at spec for this > machine which was 0.12 WTD peak, 0.06 WTD rms. Fred's belt tested at > 0.15 and 0.08 or a little higher respectively. This is about the same > readings I got some time ago for a 9.9 belt (talc-ed) from Italy sold > on eBay by SophIt (Giannini). I didn't talc Fred's belt. I'll try > the second belt on a 480 I have too. > > My test machines are not very sophisticated so I would not consider my > results definitive. I would still like to get a test result from a > Nak-trained technician who has good test equipment. > > all the best. > > Jeff Whittier > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides > . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Thu Apr 3 12:51:07 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:51:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Freds New Classic Capstan belts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47F4B69B.9060100@marrscommunications.com> HELLO PERRY, I DID SEND YOU A REPLY. PLEASE CHECK YOU SPAM FOLDER ?? FRED M. Perryinva at aol.com wrote: > Yes, but his ebay ads still only list belt "sets" and have the same > $19.95 price, so that CAN'T be for the set with a new "D" belt, as he > gets $20 for just the belt in a quantity of 5! I emailed him on ebay > but got no answer. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home > . > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Apr 3 23:22:33 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:22:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Yet another blank tape question.... Message-ID: <29A666D2-8C9D-4CB8-B09D-A7577567E7B2@kvglabs.com> Is anyone familiar with a bulk blank cassette called " SKMA UCX/Cobalt Chrome?" Recently, when I've needed a quantity of blank chrome bias tapes recently I've been using Maxell MS Studio Pro XLII. It would be nice to find a better quality chrome bias tape than Saehan's offerings. I just do not like Saehan tapes; they seem lacking in overall clarity. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From johngipps at aol.com Thu Apr 3 21:16:52 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:16:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier Message-ID: <8CA63D66833EB45-BD0-205A@webmail-db12.sysops.aol.com> Hi Ron I'm really surprised at your comments showing concern about leaving Nakamichi decks running for long periods - whether playing or not. Any experienced Nakamichi repairer will know that instances of a deck presenting for repair with a fault related to this are very few. But let me illustrate my point with some numbers from my repair database. I looked at a period where the Nakamichi cassette deck repairs numbered 1134. From this sample, I replaced 7 defective capstan motors and 55 defective reel motors. So the reel motors which have notched up a lot less hours than the capstan motors are failing eight times more often. From this I conclude that it's not the running hours making the motor fail - it's the job the motor is doing and the type of motor. People who have owned 700 and 1000 decks from the 70s, have watched those big flywheels slowly and silently rotating for decades - many without ever receiving any service. It just isn't a problem Ron. You asked which deck I was using for such long periods - in the early days, 700s, but for ages now, a ZX-7. I've just bought a CR-7 and will use it in the same way. By the way - I do turn my system off most of the time when I'm not using it, but when I turn it on, I turn it all on. If I don't listen to it for a week or so, I switch it on and let it run for a few hours or even the whole day. If I happen to forget to switch it off and it spends the next two weeks on, I couldn't care less. Many people in electronics argue that by leaving equipment on, the warmth generated quiescently helps to remove moisture, and electrolytic caps seem to like having a polarizing voltage present - they certainly don't respond well to extended off periods. When I service a transport, I always clean and lubricate capstan bearings, and lubricate motor bearings - but this is more likely? every ten years - not two years. I can't remember the last time that a deck presented for service because the capstan bearings needed attention - the reason is more likely to be stiff roller assemblies and it more likely happens at ten years or so after the last service. I guess it could be two years if the service wasn't thorough or expert. As for your CR-7 - I'm confident that Nakamichi haven't produced a deck of this quality, such that under even continuous use requires to be serviced every one or two months - that defies belief. Regards John Gipps Message: 15 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:40:04 -0500 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <47F2E3F4.4060703 at rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed johngipps at aol.com wrote: > Hi Fymido > > [...] > > I wouldn't be concerned about the Nakamichi capstan motor running all > the time I certainly would! Specifically, the Sankyo DD transports run the capstan motor all the time and the bearing regularly require cleaning and lubrication; in 'normal' home use, about every year or two. In my case (CR-7), if I had the deck running even while listening to LPs and CDs, it would need service every month or two couple of months. > - many people never switch their decks off, and many people > turn on the whole system so that the tape deck is on even if they're > using some other source. I always switch on all components of my system > whenever I listen to any source, and my cassette deck motors are fine > after a couple of decades. I wonder, what model do you own? -- Ron > Nakamichi in their wisdom thought this was ok > too - the vast majority of Nakamichi decks run their capstan motors all > the time that the decks are switched on - a few Nakamichi decks don't - > they incorporate a transistor in the capstan motor circuit that only > switches the motor on in the play mode. Interestingly, I have found some > Nakamichi models that have unused locations on their PCBs for a capstan > motor switch transistor and circuitry - so Nakamichi designed the > feature into them, then decided not to have that feature. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > Message: 15 > > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:07:41 -0700 (PDT) > > From: fymido lenito > > > Subject: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: <821225.12381.qm at web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Does anyone have any experience with using a Nakamichi tape deck (with output > > level control of course) as a pre-amplifier? Will it damage the tape deck if I > > make my CD player's signal go through it? Is it okay to have the tape deck > > directly connected to the power amplifier or to active speakers? > > Thanks in advance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Apr 3 17:15:32 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 09:15:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal XR C-60 Message-ID: <004f01c8959d$90048ac0$3201000a@gabrenas> Ok here are the details: 1-They were made in E.U. 2-I should have about 1200 of them in a bout 3 weeks or less. 3-Prices- Box of 10 is $35.00 plus shipping Box of 120(12 boxes of 10) is $350 plus shipping Victor M. Gabrenas 801-694-5657 From lkk3110 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 3 16:07:20 2008 From: lkk3110 at hotmail.com (lee kk) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:07:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] adjusting VU meters of 1000 II Message-ID: Hi Alex do u happen to have the schematics? plans to upgrade the ecaps in the signal path... Cheers Lee _________________________________________________________________ Create photo panoramas easily with Photo Gallery! http://www.get.live.com/wl/all -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gabrenas 801-694-5657 From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Apr 4 03:42:21 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Metal Cassettes In-Reply-To: <200804031003.m33A1Kic012506@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <796709.82674.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Victor, You can definitely count me in for a significant lot of these metal tapes. I'm tired of looking for and risking my good money on NOS and faux NOS metal tapes on ebay. I would also be interested in your wow & flutter results, along with your overall opinion of these tapes against the old Maxell MX-S type tape standards of lore. Kevin Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:36:18 -0600 From: "Victor Gabrenas" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Metal cassettes To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <000401c89533$7fba5dd0$3201000a at gabrenas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Still sealed and they come in boxes of 10 pcs or 120 pcs. I should know more on the pricing tomorrow. Ruff guess would be $3.00 per tape plus shipping. If I heard correctly, there is approx 100,000 of them available. My terms are "as is" no warranty. The samples I have tested very well. I had the same concerns. The tapes have a very smooth travel as well. Going to try a wow and flutter recording soon. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Apr 4 06:26:55 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 04:26:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] adjusting VU meters of 1000 II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lee, Yes it's possible I also own the Blue cover folder with the Service Manual...that during late 70 ties I ordered directly from Nak factory in Tokio/Japan...but never was needed to do something among lubricate the capstans with my also ordered together oil & spare belts 2 pieces. BTW...I want to sell my 1000/ll for a mere $:500.00 + shipping! Be well, Peace, Alex! From: lkk3110 at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:07:20 +0000Subject: [naktalk] adjusting VU meters of 1000 II Hi Alexdo u happen to have the schematics? plans to upgrade the ecaps in the signal path...CheersLee Blog it to your Space with Live Writer! Windows Live Writer _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Apr 4 12:51:33 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 06:51:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier In-Reply-To: <8CA63D66833EB45-BD0-205A@webmail-db12.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA63D66833EB45-BD0-205A@webmail-db12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47F60835.7060101@rcn.com> johngipps at aol.com wrote: > Hi Ron > > I'm really surprised at your comments showing concern about leaving > Nakamichi decks running for long periods - whether playing or not. Any > experienced Nakamichi repairer will know that instances of a deck > presenting for repair with a fault related to this are very few. But > let me illustrate my point with some numbers from my repair database. > > I looked at a period where the Nakamichi cassette deck repairs > numbered 1134. From this sample, I replaced 7 defective capstan motors > and 55 defective reel motors. I didn't say that the capstan motor would require replacement, I said that it will require service, as most definitely it will. > So the reel motors which have notched up a lot less hours than the > capstan motors are failing eight times more often. You are comparing apples and bananas. The reel motor is a completely different animal. I was talking specifically about capstan motors in DD Sankyo transports. > From this I conclude that it's not the running hours making the motor > fail - it's the job the motor is doing and the type > of motor. People who have owned 700 and 1000 decks from the 70s, have > watched those big flywheels slowly and > silently rotating for decades - many without ever receiving any > service. It just isn't a problem Ron. You asked which deck I was > using for such long periods - in the early days, 700s, but for > ages now, a ZX-7. I've just bought a CR-7 and will use it in the > same way. The CR-7 will *not* respond kindly to many hours of ON time. Capstan bearings last for a certain number of hours; then, W&F increase, as does the capstan motor current. This quickly becomes very audible, at which point the owner will bring the deck in. I have seen a CR-5 where the capstans actually seized. > By the way - I do turn my system off most of the time when I'm not > using it, but when I turn it on, I turn it all on. If I don't listen > to it for a week or so, I switch it on and let it run for a few hours > or even the whole day. If I happen to forget to switch it off and it > spends the next two weeks on, I couldn't care less. Many people in > electronics argue that by leaving equipment on, the warmth generated > quiescently helps to remove moisture, and electrolytic caps seem to > like having a polarizing voltage present - they certainly don't > respond well to extended off periods. > > When I service a transport, I always clean and lubricate capstan > bearings, and lubricate motor bearings - but this is more likely > every ten years - not two years. I can't remember the last time that a > deck presented for service because the capstan bearings needed > attention - the reason is more likely to be stiff roller assemblies > and it more likely happens at ten years or so after the last service. > I guess it could be two years if the service wasn't thorough or expert. > > As for your CR-7 - I'm confident that Nakamichi haven't produced a > deck of this quality, such that under even continuous use requires to > be serviced every one or two months - that defies belief. Well, since you now have a CR-7, why don't you give it a try? -- Ron > Regards > > John Gipps > > Message: 15 > > Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:40:04 -0500 > > From: Ron > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Message-ID: <47F2E3F4.4060703 at rcn.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > johngipps at aol.com wrote: > > > Hi Fymido > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > I wouldn't be concerned about the Nakamichi capstan motor running all > > > the time > > > > I certainly would! Specifically, the Sankyo DD > > transports run the capstan motor all the time > > and the bearing regularly require cleaning and > > lubrication; in 'normal' home use, about every > > year or two. In my case (CR-7), if I had the > > deck running even while listening to LPs and > > CDs, it would need service every month or two > > couple of months. > > > > > - many people never switch their decks off, and many people > > > turn on the whole system so that the tape deck is on even if they're > > > using some other source. I always switch on all components of my system > > > whenever I listen to any source, and my cassette deck motors are fine > > > after a couple of decades. > > > > I wonder, what model do you own? > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > Nakamichi in their wisdom thought this was ok > > > too - the vast majority of Nakamichi decks run their capstan motors all > > > the time that the decks are switched on - a few Nakamichi decks don't - > > > they incorporate a transistor in the capstan motor circuit that only > > > switches the motor on in the play mode. Interestingly, I have found some > > > Nakamichi models that have unused locations on their PCBs for a capstan > > > motor switch transistor and circuitry - so Nakamichi designed the > > > feature into them, then decided not to have that feature. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > John Gipps > > > > > > Message: 15 > > > > > > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:07:41 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > From: fymido lenito >> > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Message-ID: <821225.12381.qm at web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com >> > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any experience with using a Nakamichi tape deck (with output > > > > > > level control of course) as a pre-amplifier? Will it damage the tape deck if I > > > > > > > > make my CD player's signal go through it? Is it okay to have the tape deck > > > From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri Apr 4 14:54:51 2008 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:54:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier References: <8CA63D66833EB45-BD0-205A@webmail-db12.sysops.aol.com> <47F60835.7060101@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000701c89653$12dca080$53f66391@a8n32sli> Hi, I don't understand, why use a deck as a pre-amplifier? Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier > johngipps at aol.com wrote: >> Hi Ron >> >> I'm really surprised at your comments showing concern about leaving >> Nakamichi decks running for long periods - whether playing or not. Any >> experienced Nakamichi repairer will know that instances of a deck >> presenting for repair with a fault related to this are very few. But let >> me illustrate my point with some numbers from my repair database. >> >> I looked at a period where the Nakamichi cassette deck repairs numbered >> 1134. From this sample, I replaced 7 defective capstan motors and 55 >> defective reel motors. > > I didn't say that the capstan motor would require > replacement, I said that it will require service, > as most definitely it will. > >> So the reel motors which have notched up a lot less hours than the >> capstan motors are failing eight times more often. > > You are comparing apples and bananas. The reel > motor is a completely different animal. I was > talking specifically about capstan motors in DD > Sankyo transports. > >> From this I conclude that it's not the running hours making the motor >> fail - it's the job the motor is doing and the type >> of motor. People who have owned 700 and 1000 decks from the 70s, have >> watched those big flywheels slowly and >> silently rotating for decades - many without ever receiving any service. >> It just isn't a problem Ron. You asked which deck I was > > using for such long periods - in the early days, 700s, but for > > ages now, a ZX-7. I've just bought a CR-7 and will use it in the > > same way. > > The CR-7 will *not* respond kindly to many hours > of ON time. Capstan bearings last for a certain > number of hours; then, W&F increase, as does the > capstan motor current. This quickly becomes very > audible, at which point the owner will bring the > deck in. I have seen a CR-5 where the capstans > actually seized. > > >> By the way - I do turn my system off most of the time when I'm not using >> it, but when I turn it on, I turn it all on. If I don't listen to it for >> a week or so, I switch it on and let it run for a few hours or even the >> whole day. If I happen to forget to switch it off and it spends the next >> two weeks on, I couldn't care less. Many people in electronics argue that >> by leaving equipment on, the warmth generated quiescently helps to remove >> moisture, and electrolytic caps seem to like having a polarizing voltage >> present - they certainly don't respond well to extended off periods. >> >> When I service a transport, I always clean and lubricate capstan >> bearings, and lubricate motor bearings - but this is more likely every >> ten years - not two years. I can't remember the last time that a deck >> presented for service because the capstan bearings needed attention - the >> reason is more likely to be stiff roller assemblies and it more likely >> happens at ten years or so after the last service. I guess it could be >> two years if the service wasn't thorough or expert. >> >> As for your CR-7 - I'm confident that Nakamichi haven't produced a deck >> of this quality, such that under even continuous use requires to be >> serviced every one or two months - that defies belief. > > Well, since you now have a CR-7, why don't you give it a try? > > -- Ron > > > > > >> Regards >> >> John Gipps >> >> Message: 15 >> >> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:40:04 -0500 >> >> From: Ron > >> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier >> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> >> Message-ID: <47F2E3F4.4060703 at rcn.com > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> >> >> johngipps at aol.com wrote: >> >> > Hi Fymido >> >> > >> >> > [...] >> >> > >> >> > I wouldn't be concerned about the Nakamichi capstan motor running all >> >> > the time >> >> >> >> I certainly would! Specifically, the Sankyo DD >> >> transports run the capstan motor all the time >> >> and the bearing regularly require cleaning and >> >> lubrication; in 'normal' home use, about every >> >> year or two. In my case (CR-7), if I had the >> >> deck running even while listening to LPs and >> >> CDs, it would need service every month or two >> >> couple of months. >> >> >> >> > - many people never switch their decks off, and many people >> >> > turn on the whole system so that the tape deck is on even if they're >> >> > using some other source. I always switch on all components of my system >> >> > whenever I listen to any source, and my cassette deck motors are fine >> >> > after a couple of decades. >> >> >> >> I wonder, what model do you own? >> >> >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> >> > Nakamichi in their wisdom thought this was ok >> >> > too - the vast majority of Nakamichi decks run their capstan motors all >> >> > the time that the decks are switched on - a few Nakamichi decks don't - >> >> > they incorporate a transistor in the capstan motor circuit that only >> >> > switches the motor on in the play mode. Interestingly, I have found >> > some >> >> > Nakamichi models that have unused locations on their PCBs for a capstan >> >> > motor switch transistor and circuitry - so Nakamichi designed the >> >> > feature into them, then decided not to have that feature. >> >> > >> >> > Regards >> >> > >> >> > John Gipps >> >> > >> >> > Message: 15 >> >> > >> >> > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:07:41 -0700 (PDT) >> >> > >> >> > From: fymido lenito > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > Subject: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier >> >> > >> >> > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >> >> > >> >> > Message-ID: <821225.12381.qm at web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com >> > >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Does anyone have any experience with using a Nakamichi tape deck (with >> > output >> >> > >> >> > level control of course) as a pre-amplifier? Will it damage the tape >> > deck if I >> >> >> >> > >> >> > make my CD player's signal go through it? Is it okay to have the tape >> > deck >> >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________ NOD32 3002 (20080404) Informatie __________ > > Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. > http://www.nod32.nl > > From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Apr 4 17:27:25 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:27:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2008 12:33:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: I too can't recall a bad capstan motor in anything but a Sankyo deck, and even that is rare. This doesn't mean that continuous operation has no ill effects. One benefit is to keep the belt from forming a flat spot, but other than that the heat and bearing issues cannot be good for the deck. In the US there are certain dusty areas like west Texas/Arizona/Oklahoma where all bearings get filled with grit rather quickly. California and Florida have salt spray mist that corrodes (everything!). I'm sure Australia must have its share of desert dust and salt making a shorter interval between maintenance teardowns. The capstan motors are of sturdier manufacture than the reel motors, even in the Sankyo decks. I had quite a surprise when I sat down to do a W&F flutter test on some of my decks the other day. I checked out Fred's belt and a couple of others on my 481 and 480, and then since I had the stuff set up, I did a check on a CR-2 and BX-1 I'm trying to sell on Craigslist. The 481 and 480 were just on the edge of original specs with original Nak belts - curiously, the manual for the 481 lists very sightly higher W&F specs than the manual for the 480. The 480 is actually a couple of years younger and apparently they did something that slightly improved the specs in that time. Then I tested the CR-2 and it was lower than specs. And, it actually had W&F significantly lower than the 2-capstan decks. Well, this surprised me, and is a comment on just how good the Sankyo transport is, even in its single capstan configuration. I gave some thought to it all, and I think maybe the bearings and motors of the 480 and 481 are showing wear as those 2 decks are more than 10 years older than the CR-2, which was purchased after CD's were already the more common medium and doesn't have much wear on it. Tom has repeated noted he's rarely seen any failure of the old capstan motors. What I'm seeing is that while the standard mechanism EG 510ED-2B motors and their bearings might not fail, they definitely wear. So my point is, even if the capstan motor and bearings haven't failed on the classic decks, you still might be better off with a younger deck if you care about W&F specs. Jeff W **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fymido_lenito at yahoo.com Fri Apr 4 18:30:36 2008 From: fymido_lenito at yahoo.com (fymido lenito) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier Message-ID: <990005.7523.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks everyone for the responses (this forum is really helpful). Looks like the opinion is somewhat divided on this issue. I decided to use my LX-5 in my office system as a pre-amp (for now) while I shop around for a cheap pre-amp. Since I play my office system not more than 2 hours per day, it should not stress my Nak too much. I do use my BX-300 in my home system via an integrated. ----- Original Message ---- From: fymido lenito To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 3:07:41 PM Subject: Question: using a Nak deck as a pre-amplifier Does anyone have any experience with using a Nakamichi tape deck (with output level control of course) as a pre-amplifier? Will it damage the tape deck if I make my CD player's signal go through it? Is it okay to have the tape deck directly connected to the power amplifier or to active speakers? Thanks in advance. Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fymido_lenito at yahoo.com Fri Apr 4 18:46:08 2008 From: fymido_lenito at yahoo.com (fymido lenito) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Opinion on Cassette Deck 1 or DR-1 Message-ID: <968423.20234.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I own an LX-5 and a BX-300 (both bought used). While I am thoroughly satisfied with them both (I expect to replace the BX-300 idler every few years), I am a bit concerned about their age (LX-5 from 1982, BX-300 unknown - maybe mid 80s). I am not a DIY person - any repairs or service will cost me some money. I was wondering if replacing one of my current units with a relatively newer model like Cassette Deck 1 or DR-1 will make any sense in terms of longevity and reliability. Some people think that Nak decks made after late 80s are not upto their gold standard. Is it just an urban myth? Also, somewhere I read that DR-1 is just the pro version of Deck 1 (no difference inside). Is that true? Thanks in advance. ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lkk3110 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 4 17:26:52 2008 From: lkk3110 at hotmail.com (lee kk) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:26:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] adjusting VU meters of 1000 II Message-ID: Hi Alex, was hoping u had the schematics in pdf... thks anyway. Lee _________________________________________________________________ Help Splitzo Sally Before It’s Too Late! http://www.thegirlwhosplitinto5.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perryinva at aol.com Sat Apr 5 04:02:24 2008 From: perryinva at aol.com (perryinva at aol.com) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:02:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FS: New factory sealed TDK and Maxell cassette tapes In-Reply-To: <20080330165119.M65622@cruzio.com> References: <200803301001.m2UA1Ffk002860@zxe.naks.com> <20080330165119.M65622@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <8CA64D839B62CAB-3F0-C03@webmail-de08.sysops.aol.com> If you still have them, I'll take the 5 Maxell XL-IIS tapes. Also I'm interested in some of the recorded once Metal tapes by TDK & Maxell....I don't collect tapes, I use them so open is fine with me. Contact me at perryinva at aol.com??? Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Pharmboy To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:51 pm Subject: [naktalk] FS: New factory sealed TDK and Maxell cassette tapes I'm in the process of moving and decided to part with equipment that i have not used in the quite some time. I was told of the NakTalk list just recently...unfortunately I sold quite a bit of my audio gear already on Craig's List. But since i was made aware of this list I will list the rest of the items here as it will probably go to a better home. I have the following new factory sealed analog cassette tapes available. All tape has been stored in a smoke free, temperature and humidity controlled environment. All tape is "Made in Japan". 6 x TDK SA-X 100 min high bias tape - $5 each or 6 for $25 6 x Maxell XL II-S 100 min high bias - $5 each or 6 for $25 4 x Maxell XLII 90 min high bias - $3 each or 4 for $10 5 x Maxell XL II-S 90 min high bias - $4 each or 5 for $15 I also have over 1000 cassettes of assorted brands that have been recorded on once and rarely played. 85% are high bias Maxell and TDK, 10% are Maxell and TDK Metal and 5% are other assort brands of metal or high bias (i.e. Dennon, Sony, Ampex, Thats, etc). ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Apr 5 07:21:33 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 01:21:33 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Opinion on Cassette Deck 1 or DR-1 Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2008 9:46:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fymido_lenito at yahoo.com writes: I own an LX-5 and a BX-300 (both bought used). While I am thoroughly satisfied with them both (I expect to replace the BX-300 idler every few years), I am a bit concerned about their age (LX-5 from 1982, BX-300 unknown - maybe mid 80s). I am not a DIY person - any repairs or service will cost me some money. I was wondering if replacing one of my current units with a relatively newer model like Cassette Deck 1 or DR-1 will make any sense in terms of longevity and reliability. Some people think that Nak decks made after late 80s are not upto their gold standard. Is it just an urban myth? Also, somewhere I read that DR-1 is just the pro version of Deck 1 (no difference inside). Is that true? Thanks in advance. I'll take a shot at this one. I own a lot of Naks, including the classics like the 680, 682ZX, ZX-7, Dragon, and a BX-300 and Cassette Deck 1 too. IMHO, the Cassette Deck 1 is a pretty good deck, and so far it is has been very trouble-free. It doesn't have quite the bass response of the 680, but nothing else I ever heard does either (I don't own a ZXL so don't anyone bother me with the my-ZXL-is-better-than-your-dragon crap). For just about any listening application, you will be very happy with a Cassette Deck 1. It is essentially a CR-3 with the added feature of playback azimuth. This is also true of the DR-1, but it has a different cam motor. I think the "professional" comment you made here is a mix-up with the MR-1, which was the professional version of the BX-300, also called the ZX-5 in Japan. The Cassette Deck 1 has the 2 capstan non-direct-drive motor system, like the CR-3 and DR-1. This configuration has proved to be pretty reliable and the parts for it are not too difficult to obtain. The only direct-drive Naks with adjustable playback azimuth are the Dragon and CR-7, and they both cost way more to buy than the Cassette Deck 1 used. I bought my Cassette Deck 1 on eBay for $130, and it was a local sale so I picked it up myself. I hope you too can get a deal like that. Jeff W **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Sat Apr 5 20:13:32 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:13:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Gauges Listed eBay Germany Message-ID: <8CA655FE41ACB11-104-341E@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> Just noticed the EH Tilt Check Gauges listed - DA09040 and DA09088 if anyone is interested.? I wonder if the seller has any more? Rgds, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Apr 6 01:32:47 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:32:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-Tracer - Is This Unusual? Message-ID: <040520082332.20444.47F80C1F000DABAD00004FDC22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, aside from the fact that this particular Tri-Tracer is OUTRAGEOUSLY overpriced, something strange struck my eye. Look at the close-up photo of the input/output jack panel. It appears that this particular deck has no voltage selector; instead, it has a fixed voltage of 117v. Is this unusual? I was under the impression that pretty much all Nakamichi decks of this vintage had selectable voltage. http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-700-Tri-tracer_W0QQitemZ170208289254QQihZ007QQcategoryZ71574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From terry75115 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 6 06:29:48 2008 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 21:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <968423.20234.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <473906.99693.qm@web56412.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I have several MP3's that I've downloaded and want to copy them to my RX-505. If analog is suppose to give a better sound, wouldn't it have to be a analog to analog copy from a record instead of a digital to analog copy from a computer? Terry ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From benstratford at aol.co.uk Sun Apr 6 10:44:04 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 04:44:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? Message-ID: <8CA65D981136311-16C0-17E0@webmail-de06.sysops.aol.com> I'm considering the merits and evaluating the electrical & mechanical challenges of fitting a ZXL with a direct drive transport from a ZX-9.? Anticipated benefits being: Lower W/F & Capstan belt sensitivity becomes less critical. Views? Rgds, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sun Apr 6 15:55:59 2008 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:55:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DAW Software Plug-Ins for Nakamichi Cassette Decks In-Reply-To: <20080401040412.IPQW10334.fep25.mail.dk@smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl> References: <20080401040412.IPQW10334.fep25.mail.dk@smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:58:44 -0500, Kermit Gray wrote: >The DAW Software Plug-Ins for Nakamichi Cassette Decks are now >completed and available for download. We've spent years perfecting >these and have ensured compatibility with Audacity, Cubase, Logic, >Nuendo and ProTools or any DAW accommodating either AU or VST plug- >ins. They are available only in AU and VST formats for PC and Mac. > >The plug-ins emulate the sound of the following Nakamichi cassette >decks: I only read it now. And from a guy like Kermit this would not make sense, how to emulate the sound of perfect 20-20KHz response? ;) Good one. -Mikkel From kevin.bishop at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 16:37:13 2008 From: kevin.bishop at gmail.com (Kevin Bishop) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:37:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-4A Advice In-Reply-To: <72D2755E-FC7F-4AAE-9F4D-B88A0DFEBDDE@gmail.com> References: <72D2755E-FC7F-4AAE-9F4D-B88A0DFEBDDE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1E2920A5-958D-4255-B8EB-8EE35DBE2102@gmail.com> Thanks to all for responding to my email. Shortly after sending my note, I had to go on a business trip that didn't allow any chance for responding until now. Based on the responses I received I've done a little more investigation. The capstans aren't turning at all when the deck is powered on, when the play button is pushed, etc. I have also opened up the case and the capstan motor isn't turning at all. I can turn the motor by hand and do see the capstans turning then. Given that I thought these should be turning any time the deck is powered on, it seems like a problem with the circuit that fires these up or the motor itself is something to look into. I haven't had a chance to investigate the sensor yet. But given that the capstans don't turn at all, I wonder it there might be a couple of things having problems? Kevin On Mar 31, 2008, at 11:14 PM, Kevin Bishop wrote: > Hello. > > > > Here's what is happening: > - On power up everything lights up like normal, and the left > spindle turns as usual to take up any slack. > - If FF or RWD buttons are pressed the appropriate spindle runs for > a couple seconds and then stops. The numbers on the tape counter do > not move off of 0000. This behavior is the same regardless of > whether a tape is present or not. > - If the Play button is pressed, the heads rise and the tape starts > to move, but in less than a second it stops again. When looking > with the door removed it appears that the capstans and rollers are > not turning at all. Again, this is the same regardless of whether a > tape is present or not. > > > > Thanks in advance for your advice. > > Kevin From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sun Apr 6 19:29:24 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:29:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OCO8096-D "SPECIAL" REMINDER Message-ID: <47F90874.4070406@marrscommunications.com> HELLO ALL, JUST A FRIENDLY REMINDER. NakTalk "SPECIAL" ENDS TOMORROW MONDAY 4/7, AT12:00 P.M. MIDNIGHT. THANK YOU TO THOSE THAT PARTICIPATED! FRED M. From arichison at yahoo.com Sun Apr 6 21:43:47 2008 From: arichison at yahoo.com (Andre Richison) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] naks on the web Message-ID: <537881.96098.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To get a decent not to mention a new condition nakamichi on ebay or audiogon or anywhere else is rare. today it is harder and harder to find a nak that has been repaired , when you find a new one in the box it should be something, I am with you on the great find of the dr1 , enjoy enjoy if a nak deck sits for too many years there may be belt problems, but can be fixed, man that is just amazing a deck like this for under 300 dollars. ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 7 03:25:55 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 19:25:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Purchased a non-working 700 II Cassette Deck Message-ID: I managed to purchased a 700 II cassette deck today. The gentleman I purchased it from said he got it from the original owner who lives in desert climate and mentioned the deck has been stored and not used for a long time. I took off the cover and everything was clean with no signs of corrosion. The belts seem pretty good. It powers up and the capstans turn, the record and pause lights stay on when pressed at the same time, and the Vu meters light up. When pressing play, the transport goes into position and then right away back down. If I keep play pressed, then the play transport remains in position until I release the play button. NOTE: I did find out the the front capstan turns in the wrong direction, therefore it ate a tape. When I press rewind, the deck makes a sound as if it's rewinding, but isn't. Also when I press rewind, the deck goes into stop position two seconds later. If I continuously keep my finger on the rewind button, the light on the deck will go from rewind to stop to rewind to stop, etc...with a clicking sound. The fast forward function has the same problems as rewind. Please let me know what the problems are or could be. The cosmetic condition of the deck is very good. _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_getintouch_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 7 03:40:36 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 19:40:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Purchased a non-working 700 II Cassette Deck Message-ID: I forgot to mention the deck's memory switch is stuck in the on position. I squirted some tuner control cleaner in and pressed the button several times. When I pulled the button out, the memory button still feels to be in the 'on' position. From: mark8559 at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Purchased a non-working 700 II Cassette DeckDate: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 19:25:55 -0600 I managed to purchased a 700 II cassette deck today. The gentleman I purchased it from said he got it from the original owner who lives in desert climate and mentioned the deck has been stored and not used for a long time. I took off the cover and everything was clean with no signs of corrosion. The belts seem pretty good. It powers up and the capstans turn, the record and pause lights stay on when pressed at the same time, and the Vu meters light up. When pressing play, the transport goes into position and then right away back down. If I keep play pressed, then the play transport remains in position until I release the play button. NOTE: I did find out the the front capstan turns in the wrong direction, therefore it ate a tape. When I press rewind, the deck makes a sound as if it's rewinding, but isn't. Also when I press rewind, the deck goes into stop position two seconds later. If I continuously keep my finger on the rewind button, the light on the deck will go from rewind to stop to rewind to stop, etc...with a clicking sound. The fast forward function has the same problems as rewind. Please let me know what the problems are or could be. The cosmetic condition of the deck is very good. Get in touch in an instant. 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Talk to Bala. rgds, LP. benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > I'm considering the merits and evaluating the electrical & mechanical > challenges of fitting a ZXL with a direct drive transport from a ZX-9. > > Anticipated benefits being: Lower W/F & Capstan belt sensitivity becomes > less critical. > > Views? > > Rgds, Ben > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get the MapQuest Toolbar > , Maps, > Traffic, Directions & More! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From notarbene at kvglabs.com Mon Apr 7 09:58:08 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 02:58:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <473906.99693.qm@web56412.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <473906.99693.qm@web56412.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2D31C806-6230-4FE3-BADB-351B3D96FD82@kvglabs.com> Hi Terry, On Apr 5, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Terry Houchins wrote: > I have several MP3's that I've downloaded and want to > copy them to my RX-505. > If analog is suppose to give a better sound, wouldn't > it have to be a analog to analog copy from a record > instead of a digital to analog copy from a computer? > > Terry > Well, from the perspective of a studio engineer who regularly uses both analog and digital sound, and at the risk of starting a firestorm ... Analog and digital are both capable of excellent sound; neither is better, except in the preferences of a particular listener. An analog-to-analog copy from any source will have 3 dB to 6 dB increase in noise and, typically, a doubling of distortion and flutter- and-wow. A digital-to-analog copy will have approximately a 3 dB increase in noise, and increased distortion, plus the analog recorder's flutter- and-wow will be introduced into the copy. A digital-to-digital copy done in the digital domain will NOT be a bit- for-bit perfect copy despite ad claims to the contrary. The copy will have increased jitter, data errors, missing bits, and least- significant-bit errors. The perceptibility of the degradation varies with the format and the reproduction equipment, as well as the listener's acuity. The decision as to which is best is a matter of opinion and thus the answer to the decision is up to the listener. Nevertheless, I'm confident to say that any MP3 is not hi-fi, and worrying over the optimal means of copying an MP3 is unwarranted. Typical 128 kbps- encoded MP3s exhibit about the same fidelity as medium wave (AM) radio broadcasts. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Apr 7 20:46:34 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:46:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Purchased a non-working 700 II Cassette Deck Message-ID: <210E9981-FD64-4AF1-89CC-5673D30F8A3A@alumni.caltech.edu> The capstan turning the wrong direction sounds like the capstan belt must be twisted in a very odd way, if it is indeed only the forward capstan (they are driven the same belt. Sounds to me like the stop issue and such is caused by the reel motor belt being broken; they were fairly fragile. If it is not then, then it could be misadjusted or bad ball clutch mechanisms, or the reel motor. If you hear the reel motor on ff/rew, then it is probably not that.-kb From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Apr 7 20:41:44 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:41:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question Message-ID: <0E708CAB-CC54-4891-89EF-8F295A51B9C7@alumni.caltech.edu> > A digital-to-digital copy done in the digital domain will NOT be a > bit- > for-bit perfect copy despite ad claims to the contrary. The copy will > have increased jitter, data errors, missing bits, and least- > significant-bit errors. The perceptibility of the degradation varies > with the format and the reproduction equipment, as well as the > listener's acuity. Kermit, perhaps I need you to clarify what you mean by a 'digital-to- digital copy. If I'm on a computer and just copy the file as data I expect the bits to be the same (Not counting properl correctable errors due to media failure, etc.) at least in almost alll cases (excepting say non-recoverable media errors). Now if you're talking to interpreting the files a digital audio and re-interpreting it back, that's a different issue. The other issue here is that the original poster had a .mp3 file, which is a lossy compression, and how lossy will depend on how much it's compressed. This could also be relevant to how good any 'interpreted' copy is...I consider simply duplicating the file as a data bit stream possible to produce a bit stream\ that should read identically, per above.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was under the impression that pretty much all Nakamichi decks of this vintage had selectable voltage.> > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-700-Tri-tracer_W0QQitemZ170208289254QQihZ007QQcategoryZ71574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> > > > *andy*> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Apr 7 17:33:21 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:33:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700 Tri-Tracer - Is This Unusual? In-Reply-To: <040520082332.20444.47F80C1F000DABAD00004FDC22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <040520082332.20444.47F80C1F000DABAD00004FDC22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <17d5ee910804070833v27d032aby501bfb1f69791e0a@mail.gmail.com> Hi, appliances sold in North America don't have voltage selectors due to regulations. There are exceptions like computer PSUs, or units that have auto-selecting SMPS's. Antoine 2008/4/5, hwbosshoss at comcast.net : > > > OK, aside from the fact that this particular Tri-Tracer is OUTRAGEOUSLY > overpriced, something strange struck my eye. > > Look at the close-up photo of the input/output jack panel. It appears > that this particular deck has no voltage selector; instead, it has a fixed > voltage of 117v. > > Is this unusual? I was under the impression that pretty much all > Nakamichi decks of this vintage had selectable voltage. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-700-Tri-tracer_W0QQitemZ170208289254QQihZ007QQcategoryZ71574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Apr 7 16:40:20 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:40:20 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-4A Advice Message-ID: In a message dated 4/7/2008 12:25:38 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kevin.bishop at gmail.com writes: The capstans aren't turning at all when the deck is powered on, when the play button is pushed, etc. I have also opened up the case and the capstan motor isn't turning at all. I can turn the motor by hand and do see the capstans turning then. Given that I thought these should be turning any time the deck is powered on, it seems like a problem with the circuit that fires these up or the motor itself is something to look into. Your drive motor might have a dead spot. I have a CR-4 with that problem. You're probably better off replacing the motor with one from a BX-300 donor deck. It is possible to rebuild the original motor, but the magnetic forces in these motors make disassembly and reassembly very tricky. I kept my eyes open for a BX-300 motor on eBay and sure enough one eventually turned up. Jeff W **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Apr 7 21:11:07 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:11:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question Message-ID: In a message dated 4/7/2008 12:03:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu writes: The other issue here is that the original poster had a .mp3 file, which is a lossy compression, and how lossy will depend on how much it's compressed. This could also be relevant to how good any 'interpreted' copy is...I consider simply duplicating the file as a data bit stream possible to produce a bit stream\ that should read identically, per above.-kby Just as anecdotal evidence, I copied some old concert recordings from an Indian website onto cassette from the website's MP-3 files. Played on my computer speakers, the original MP-3 files sounded passable. Played on a Nak through a good stereo system, they sounded terrible - you could hear everything that's wrong with MP-3 and compression. Jeff W **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 7 14:11:50 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 05:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? In-Reply-To: <47F9CD5D.1060206@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <194061.77437.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Aw..LP..that was supposed to be one of the best kept secrets of 2008! Just kidding! Bala Luis Peromarta wrote: It has already been done ;) with excellent results. Talk to Bala. rgds, LP. benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > I'm considering the merits and evaluating the electrical & mechanical > challenges of fitting a ZXL with a direct drive transport from a ZX-9. > > Anticipated benefits being: Lower W/F & Capstan belt sensitivity becomes > less critical. > > Views? > > Rgds, Ben > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get the MapQuest Toolbar > , Maps, > Traffic, Directions & More! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- You rock. 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URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Apr 7 12:56:48 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:56:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Purchased a non-working 700 II Cassette Deck Message-ID: Hi Mark, Check the condition of rubber idler uderneath the reel motor sitting on top of the rubber idler , the idler is between the two reel spools and the rubber material on the idler is most likely dirty or have worn out and thus not making a positive contact with either reel spools to turn them fast, try cleaning this rubber idler with a good cleaner like alchol throughly and it might just solve the problem of fast forward or rewind also see that the idler turns smoothly the lubrication in the bearing might have dried up or the bearing itself might have been worm but this is only if the previous owner has used the machine a lot and also i provided the rubber material on the idler has not worn so thin or has not cracked in places in which case you might have to replace the rubber on the idler itself , removing the complete rubber idler is very difficult if not completely impossible! . Do this same cleaning on the capstan rubber rollers and the capstan shafts if your machine has double capstan drive , if its single then cleaning the single roller and the chrome capstan shaft which the rubber roller come in contact ,again this should help solve your problem. The wrong direction of capstan motor turning might be a bad motor control IC or some part in the capstan motor circuit i sending wrong polarity voltage to the motor making it turn in the wrong direction. A schematics or service manual for this machine should be a big help solving your problem. Also ask tom bucker, he seems to know all the answers! :). Hope this info helps you bring your deck back online. Thanks! Ali In a message dated 4/7/2008 3:26:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark8559 at hotmail.com writes: I managed to purchased a 700 II cassette deck today. The gentleman I purchased it from said he got it from the original owner who lives in desert climate and mentioned the deck has been stored and not used for a long time. I took off the cover and everything was clean with no signs of corrosion. The belts seem pretty good. It powers up and the capstans turn, the record and pause lights stay on when pressed at the same time, and the Vu meters light up. When pressing play, the transport goes into position and then right away back down. If I keep play pressed, then the play transport remains in position until I release the play button. NOTE: I did find out the the front capstan turns in the wrong direction, therefore it ate a tape. When I press rewind, the deck makes a sound as if it's rewinding, but isn't. Also when I press rewind, the deck goes into stop position two seconds later. If I continuously keep my finger on the rewind button, the light on the deck will go from rewind to stop to rewind to stop, etc...with a clicking sound. The fast forward function has the same problems as rewind. Please let me know what the problems are or could be. The cosmetic condition of the deck is very good. ____________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. _Get Windows Live Messenger now._ (http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_getintouch_04200 8) = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Apr 7 14:04:25 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:04:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Opinion on Cassette Deck 1 or DR-1 Message-ID: <040720081204.7014.47FA0DC900078D1C00001B6622155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Jeff: Wow, you picked up a Cassette Deck 1 locally for just $130? I'd say you did very well indeed! *andy* From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Apr 7 17:41:03 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-4A Advice In-Reply-To: <1E2920A5-958D-4255-B8EB-8EE35DBE2102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <543078.84511.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Get the schematics from Ebaman site ( or if you have the BX 300 service manual still you can find out why the capstan motor is not turning - without it the machine cannot go in to play mode Otherwise send it o somebody who service it Kannan Kevin Bishop wrote: Thanks to all for responding to my email. Shortly after sending my note, I had to go on a business trip that didn't allow any chance for responding until now. Based on the responses I received I've done a little more investigation. The capstans aren't turning at all when the deck is powered on, when the play button is pushed, etc. I have also opened up the case and the capstan motor isn't turning at all. I can turn the motor by hand and do see the capstans turning then. Given that I thought these should be turning any time the deck is powered on, it seems like a problem with the circuit that fires these up or the motor itself is something to look into. I haven't had a chance to investigate the sensor yet. But given that the capstans don't turn at all, I wonder it there might be a couple of things having problems? Kevin On Mar 31, 2008, at 11:14 PM, Kevin Bishop wrote: > Hello. > > > > Here's what is happening: > - On power up everything lights up like normal, and the left > spindle turns as usual to take up any slack. > - If FF or RWD buttons are pressed the appropriate spindle runs for > a couple seconds and then stops. The numbers on the tape counter do > not move off of 0000. This behavior is the same regardless of > whether a tape is present or not. > - If the Play button is pressed, the heads rise and the tape starts > to move, but in less than a second it stops again. When looking > with the door removed it appears that the capstans and rollers are > not turning at all. Again, this is the same regardless of whether a > tape is present or not. > > > > Thanks in advance for your advice. > > Kevin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- You rock. 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This > could also be relevant > to how good any 'interpreted' > copy is...I consider simply duplicating the file as > a data bit stream > possible to produce a bit stream\ > that should read identically, per above.-kby > > > > Just as anecdotal evidence, I copied some old > concert recordings from an > Indian website onto cassette from the website's MP-3 > files. Played on my > computer speakers, the original MP-3 files sounded > passable. Played on a Nak > through a good stereo system, they sounded terrible > - you could hear everything > that's wrong with MP-3 and compression. > > Jeff W > > > > **************Planning your summer road trip? Check > out AOL Travel Guides. > > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Apr 7 22:03:42 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 16:03:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Opinion on Cassette Deck 1 or DR-1 Message-ID: In a message dated 4/7/2008 5:04:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: Jeff: Wow, you picked up a Cassette Deck 1 locally for just $130? I'd say you did very well indeed! *andy* I've got too many decks. I don't buy any more unless the deal is just too good to pass up. The cosmetic condition of that Cassette Deck 1 is very good too. There was a DR-1 on Craigslist here in the SF area last year for $150. The guy had to list it twice before it sold - to a guy who turned around and sold it on eBay for $250 or more. There was a Dragon listed on Craigslist this weekend for $250. I was too busy to try for it. JW **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: BOEING747600 at aol.comDate: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:56:48 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] Purchased a non-working 700 II Cassette DeckTo: naktalk at naks.com Hi Mark, Check the condition of rubber idler uderneath the reel motor sitting on top of the rubber idler , the idler is between the two reel spools and the rubber material on the idler is most likely dirty or have worn out and thus not making a positive contact with either reel spools to turn them fast, try cleaning this rubber idler with a good cleaner like alchol throughly and it might just solve the problem of fast forward or rewind also see that the idler turns smoothly the lubrication in the bearing might have dried up or the bearing itself might have been worm but this is only if the previous owner has used the machine a lot and also i provided the rubber material on the idler has not worn so thin or has not cracked in places in which case you might have to replace the rubber on the idler itself , removing the complete rubber idler is very difficult if not completely impossible! . Do this same cleaning on the capstan rubber rollers and the capstan shafts if your machine has double capstan drive , if its single then cleaning the single roller and the chrome capstan shaft which the rubber roller come in contact ,again this should help solve your problem. The wrong direction of capstan motor turning might be a bad motor control IC or some part in the capstan motor circuit i sending wrong polarity voltage to the motor making it turn in the wrong direction. A schematics or service manual for this machine should be a big help solving your problem. Also ask tom bucker, he seems to know all the answers! :). Hope this info helps you bring your deck back online. Thanks! Ali In a message dated 4/7/2008 3:26:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark8559 at hotmail.com writes: I managed to purchased a 700 II cassette deck today. The gentleman I purchased it from said he got it from the original owner who lives in desert climate and mentioned the deck has been stored and not used for a long time. I took off the cover and everything was clean with no signs of corrosion. The belts seem pretty good. It powers up and the capstans turn, the record and pause lights stay on when pressed at the same time, and the Vu meters light up. When pressing play, the transport goes into position and then right away back down. If I keep play pressed, then the play transport remains in position until I release the play button. NOTE: I did find out the the front capstan turns in the wrong direction, therefore it ate a tape. When I press rewind, the deck makes a sound as if it's rewinding, but isn't. Also when I press rewind, the deck goes into stop position two seconds later. If I continuously keep my finger on the rewind button, the light on the deck will go from rewind to stop to rewind to stop, etc...with a clicking sound. The fast forward function has the same problems as rewind. Please let me know what the problems are or could be. The cosmetic condition of the deck is very good. Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. =========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_getintouch_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 5:42 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? Ben, Bala is also interested in this modification. I have done a bit of thinking on the subject at his urging. The major?obstacle will be? the power supply. The DD motors and associated drive circuits require more power than a DC governor motor. Each supply could be modified to deliver more current, however the over-all power increase might overheat the ZXL's power transformer. Perhaps installing LEDs in place of incandescent lamps would produce a power savings trade-off. It is very easy to modify the motor control interface, and to mechanically fit the Dragon chassis into the ZXL body. ? tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Sent: Apr 6, 2008 3:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? I'm considering the merits and evaluating the electrical & mechanical challenges of fitting a ZXL with a direct drive transport from a ZX-9.? Anticipated benefits being: Lower W/F & Capstan belt sensitivity becomes less critical. Views? Rgds, Ben Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pacific > > Daylight Time, > > kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu writes: > > > > The other issue here is that the original poster had > > a .mp3 file, which is a > > lossy compression, and how > > lossy will depend on how much it's compressed. This > > could also be relevant > > to how good any 'interpreted' > > copy is...I consider simply duplicating the file as > > a data bit stream > > possible to produce a bit stream\ > > that should read identically, per above.-kby > > > > > > > > Just as anecdotal evidence, I copied some old > > concert recordings from an > > Indian website onto cassette from the website's MP-3 > > files. Played on my > > computer speakers, the original MP-3 files sounded > > passable. Played on a Nak > > through a good stereo system, they sounded terrible > > - you could hear everything > > that's wrong with MP-3 and compression. > > > > Jeff W > > > > > > > > **************Planning your summer road trip? 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Yap wrote: >> A digital-to-digital copy done in the digital domain will NOT be a >> bit- >> for-bit perfect copy despite ad claims to the contrary. The copy >> will >> have increased jitter, data errors, missing bits, and least- >> significant-bit errors. The perceptibility of the degradation varies >> with the format and the reproduction equipment, as well as the >> listener's acuity. > > Kermit, perhaps I need you to clarify what you mean by a 'digital- > to-digital copy. If I'm on > a computer and just copy the file as data I expect the bits to be > the same (Not counting properl > correctable errors due to media failure, etc.) at least in almost > alll cases (excepting say non-recoverable > media errors). > > Now if you're talking to interpreting the files a digital audio and > re-interpreting it back, that's a different > issue. > > The other issue here is that the original poster had a .mp3 file, > which is a lossy compression, and how > lossy will depend on how much it's compressed. This could also be > relevant to how good any 'interpreted' > copy is...I consider simply duplicating the file as a data bit > stream possible to produce a bit stream\ > that should read identically, per above.-kby > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Apr 8 02:07:04 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? In-Reply-To: <8CA671DF02F5CC0-16D8-29C1@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <413655.90796.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Since the DD motor is running all the time from the time you switch on any Nak - external 12 V DC supply should infact reduce the overall power requirement. cam movement and feedback all similar to ZX 9 or Dragon in functionality with 1000 ZXL - so very simple to experiment the performance.this mod befor even integrating - I would take the power ( for th DD motor) from donor Nak for the experiment kannan benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: Tom, I was thinking about a ZX-9 transport with just the one DD motor. Mechanical challenges look to be insignificant at first glance, will have a look into the power requirements first then, thanks for your suggestions. There must be some flexibility with regard to the transformer, will consider and try to calculate the differences anticipated. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 5:42 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? #AOLMsgPart_1_30dfbcab-9345-4344-901c-cfb9f8e6432b body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;} Ben, Bala is also interested in this modification. I have done a bit of thinking on the subject at his urging. The major obstacle will be the power supply. The DD motors and associated drive circuits require more power than a DC governor motor. Each supply could be modified to deliver more current, however the over-all power increase might overheat the ZXL's power transformer. Perhaps installing LEDs in place of incandescent lamps would produce a power savings trade-off. It is very easy to modify the motor control interface, and to mechanically fit the Dragon chassis into the ZXL body. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Sent: Apr 6, 2008 3:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? I'm considering the merits and evaluating the electrical & mechanical challenges of fitting a ZXL with a direct drive transport from a ZX-9. Anticipated benefits being: Lower W/F & Capstan belt sensitivity becomes less critical. Views? Rgds, Ben --------------------------------- Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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But most digital formats have error correction schemes to > reduce the effects of the inevitable data errors to near > imperceptibility. My brain hurts now. > > you're correct about the magnitude of lossiness in MP3s, which is why > I specified a typical 128 kbps MP3 in my comparison. > On Apr 7, 2008, at 1:41 PM, Kimo B. Yap wrote: >>> A digital-to-digital copy done in the digital domain will NOT be a bit- >>> for-bit perfect copy despite ad claims to the contrary. The copy will >>> have increased jitter, data errors, missing bits, and least- >>> significant-bit errors. The perceptibility of the degradation varies >>> with the format and the reproduction equipment, as well as the >>> listener's acuity. >> >> Kermit, perhaps I need you to clarify what you mean by a >> 'digital-to-digital copy. If I'm on >> a computer and just copy the file as data I expect the bits to be the >> same (Not counting properl >> correctable errors due to media failure, etc.) at least in almost >> alll cases (excepting say non-recoverable >> media errors). >> >> Now if you're talking to interpreting the files a digital audio and >> re-interpreting it back, that's a different >> issue. >> >> The other issue here is that the original poster had a .mp3 file, >> which is a lossy compression, and how >> lossy will depend on how much it's compressed. This could also be >> relevant to how good any 'interpreted' >> copy is...I consider simply duplicating the file as a data bit stream >> possible to produce a bit stream\ >> that should read identically, per above.-kby >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Mon Apr 7 15:13:46 2008 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:13:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <2D31C806-6230-4FE3-BADB-351B3D96FD82@kvglabs.com> References: <473906.99693.qm@web56412.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <2D31C806-6230-4FE3-BADB-351B3D96FD82@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <47FA1E0A.1010505@whiteapple.u-net.com> Hello Kermit I really am not trying to bring up the analogue v digital debate or be contentious, but I have in my time programmed in assembler and know that even one changed byte can completely screw up a program. Thus when I copy a program from one source to another I know that normally it is a bit for bit copy, indeed all the software installed on every computer relies on this. So how does using digital techniques to copy digital data that eventually will be treated as input to a digital to analogue process differ? Doug Locke Kermit Gray wrote: >> > > > Well, from the perspective of a studio engineer who regularly uses > both analog and digital sound, and at the risk of starting a firestorm > ... > > Analog and digital are both capable of excellent sound; neither is > better, except in the preferences of a particular listener. > > An analog-to-analog copy from any source will have 3 dB to 6 dB > increase in noise and, typically, a doubling of distortion and > flutter-and-wow. > > A digital-to-analog copy will have approximately a 3 dB increase in > noise, and increased distortion, plus the analog recorder's > flutter-and-wow will be introduced into the copy. > > A digital-to-digital copy done in the digital domain will NOT be a > bit-for-bit perfect copy despite ad claims to the contrary. The copy > will have increased jitter, data errors, missing bits, and > least-significant-bit errors. The perceptibility of the degradation > varies with the format and the reproduction equipment, as well as the > listener's acuity. > > The decision as to which is best is a matter of opinion and thus the > answer to the decision is up to the listener. Nevertheless, I'm > confident to say that any MP3 is not hi-fi, and worrying over the > optimal means of copying an MP3 is unwarranted. Typical 128 > kbps-encoded MP3s exhibit about the same fidelity as medium wave (AM) > radio broadcasts. From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 03:08:00 2008 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 20:08:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <14C3CB5B-1F63-4E76-8338-23948B3F7494@kvglabs.com> References: <0E708CAB-CC54-4891-89EF-8F295A51B9C7@alumni.caltech.edu> <14C3CB5B-1F63-4E76-8338-23948B3F7494@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110804071808r2f0ea0fep5ac0b7d70d1d3999@mail.gmail.com> If you ever have issues pulling data from CDs with programs that drop bits, get EAC. Exact Audio Copy is the best track copying software I've ever used. In fact, in the instances where I want to archive digital music off of CDs, copying tracks with EAC and then lossless compression with FLAC is usually how I roll :-) -Tim On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Kermit Gray wrote: > I did refer to a digital file-to-file copy with no software processing. > Alas, even though in theory it IS a bit-for-bit copy if nothing goes wrong > with the equipment, but such perfection seldom happens. missing bits are the > most common problem I encounter, as well as jitter. But most digital formats > have error correction schemes to reduce the effects of the inevitable data > errors to near imperceptibility. My brain hurts now. > you're correct about the magnitude of lossiness in MP3s, which is why I > specified a typical 128 kbps MP3 in my comparison. > On Apr 7, 2008, at 1:41 PM, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > A digital-to-digital copy done in the digital domain will NOT be a bit- > for-bit perfect copy despite ad claims to the contrary. The copy will > have increased jitter, data errors, missing bits, and least- > significant-bit errors. The perceptibility of the degradation varies > with the format and the reproduction equipment, as well as the > listener's acuity. > > > Kermit, perhaps I need you to clarify what you mean by a > 'digital-to-digital copy. If I'm on > a computer and just copy the file as data I expect the bits to be the same > (Not counting properl > correctable errors due to media failure, etc.) at least in almost alll > cases (excepting say non-recoverable > media errors). > > Now if you're talking to interpreting the files a digital audio and > re-interpreting it back, that's a different > issue. > > The other issue here is that the original poster had a .mp3 file, which is > a lossy compression, and how > lossy will depend on how much it's compressed. 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URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 8 05:57:19 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 21:57:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Cassette Deck front Capstan turing in Wrong Direction Message-ID: Thank you Kimo and Ali for the advice. However you are in for a surprise... First - I laid the deck on its back and squirted some DeOxit in the memory switch which was stuck in the 'on' position. Read the directions on the can and got 100% results. The switch works fine. Second - After looking at the deck again with the cover off, I noticed the belt which runs the fast forward and rewind was missing. I put a rubber band on and the unit and it now plays, fast forwards, and rewinds. I got the rubber band idea from this site thru a guy who purchased a Nak deck on Ebay. When he removed the cover, he found out that a rubber band was used instead of a belt. Note: All four belts are moving on this deck. Because of this, I also found out the three-digit tape counter works. Third - The front drive capstan is still moving in the wrong direction. Therefore the deck will continue to eat tapes. I am no electronic tech, but if someone can give me good advice, please do so. Fourth - I need a belt for the motor which runs the fast forward and rewind function. I also need a service manual for this deck. Again, I'm asking for advice and help from this group. Thank you. From: mark8559 at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: FW: [naktalk] Purchased a non-working 700 II Cassette DeckDate: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:07:02 -0600 I must also mention the deck has a sticky memory switch. I squirted some contact cleaner in the switched and pushed it in some 30 times. The switch never did pop out. When I pulled the switch out, I could feel that the memory switch stayed in. I guess the memory switch is still in the 'on' position. From: BOEING747600 at aol.comDate: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:56:48 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] Purchased a non-working 700 II Cassette DeckTo: naktalk at naks.com Hi Mark, Check the condition of rubber idler uderneath the reel motor sitting on top of the rubber idler , the idler is between the two reel spools and the rubber material on the idler is most likely dirty or have worn out and thus not making a positive contact with either reel spools to turn them fast, try cleaning this rubber idler with a good cleaner like alchol throughly and it might just solve the problem of fast forward or rewind also see that the idler turns smoothly the lubrication in the bearing might have dried up or the bearing itself might have been worm but this is only if the previous owner has used the machine a lot and also i provided the rubber material on the idler has not worn so thin or has not cracked in places in which case you might have to replace the rubber on the idler itself , removing the complete rubber idler is very difficult if not completely impossible! . Do this same cleaning on the capstan rubber rollers and the capstan shafts if your machine has double capstan drive , if its single then cleaning the single roller and the chrome capstan shaft which the rubber roller come in contact ,again this should help solve your problem. The wrong direction of capstan motor turning might be a bad motor control IC or some part in the capstan motor circuit i sending wrong polarity voltage to the motor making it turn in the wrong direction. A schematics or service manual for this machine should be a big help solving your problem. Also ask tom bucker, he seems to know all the answers! :). Hope this info helps you bring your deck back online. Thanks! Ali In a message dated 4/7/2008 3:26:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark8559 at hotmail.com writes: I managed to purchased a 700 II cassette deck today. The gentleman I purchased it from said he got it from the original owner who lives in desert climate and mentioned the deck has been stored and not used for a long time. I took off the cover and everything was clean with no signs of corrosion. The belts seem pretty good. It powers up and the capstans turn, the record and pause lights stay on when pressed at the same time, and the Vu meters light up. When pressing play, the transport goes into position and then right away back down. If I keep play pressed, then the play transport remains in position until I release the play button. NOTE: I did find out the the front capstan turns in the wrong direction, therefore it ate a tape. When I press rewind, the deck makes a sound as if it's rewinding, but isn't. Also when I press rewind, the deck goes into stop position two seconds later. If I continuously keep my finger on the rewind button, the light on the deck will go from rewind to stop to rewind to stop, etc...with a clicking sound. The fast forward function has the same problems as rewind. Please let me know what the problems are or could be. The cosmetic condition of the deck is very good. Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. =========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. 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Kermit Gray wrote: > I did refer to a digital file-to-file copy with no software processing. > Alas, even though in theory it IS a bit-for-bit copy if nothing goes > wrong with the equipment, but such perfection seldom happens. missing > bits are the most common problem I encounter, as well as jitter. But > most digital formats have error correction schemes to reduce the effects > of the inevitable data errors to near imperceptibility. My brain hurts > now. > > you're correct about the magnitude of lossiness in MP3s, which is why I > specified a typical 128 kbps MP3 in my comparison. From luis at peromarta.org Tue Apr 8 11:04:23 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:04:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110804071547t24d10f9k3c4b30c6e92a007d@mail.gmail.com> References: <343689.62317.qm@web56401.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <6bddc1110804071547t24d10f9k3c4b30c6e92a007d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47FB3517.2070707@peromarta.org> APE is another great lossless codec, free but not opensource. Higher compression rate than FLAC, but slower. Any ape/cue or flac/cue pair from a error-free cd extraction, should get you a pretty good copy of a cd. LP. Tim Skorick wrote: > FLAC is a good lossless codec and it's free. Almost all of the lossless > audio I download off of Usenet is compressed with FLAC. > > http://flac.sourceforge.net/ > > -Tim > From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Apr 8 21:05:29 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:05:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <47FB2D4B.1020703@peromarta.org> References: <0E708CAB-CC54-4891-89EF-8F295A51B9C7@alumni.caltech.edu> <14C3CB5B-1F63-4E76-8338-23948B3F7494@kvglabs.com> <47FB2D4B.1020703@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Luis, In trying to be brief I wasn't specific enough, so I made a blanket statement. There are so many different situations that can be referred to as digital-to-digital copying, so let's please not get hung up on specific wording and concentrate instead on the broadest of general principles, okay? Yes, you're right, cp a.aiff b.aiff should be bit- for-bit unless the system or HD itself has an error, but DAE or transcoding from one digital format to another can introduce data errors. Most digital audio formats are robust in that they expect data errors to occur (from causes such as scratches on a CD or hard drive read/write errors while transferring massive amounts of data), so the file format incorporates a means of correcting data errors somewhat. As to specifics, you'll have to ask a programmer about this. On Apr 8, 2008, at 3:31 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Kermit, > > If you are suggesting that bit-by-bit file-to-file copy form here to > there like in > > cp a.wav b.wab > > "seldom happens" , and that you find "missing bits" in the copy, > with increased jitter, I guess we need to start to rethink the whole > filesystem programming from scratch. > > I respect all opinions, but this is simply impossible. > > If you refer to DAE (digital audio extraction) from CDs, then that's > another story. > > Best rgds, LP. > > > Kermit Gray wrote: >> I did refer to a digital file-to-file copy with no software >> processing. Alas, even though in theory it IS a bit-for-bit copy if >> nothing goes wrong with the equipment, but such perfection seldom >> happens. missing bits are the most common problem I encounter, as >> well as jitter. But most digital formats have error correction >> schemes to reduce the effects of the inevitable data errors to near >> imperceptibility. My brain hurts now. you're correct about the >> magnitude of lossiness in MP3s, which is why I specified a typical >> 128 kbps MP3 in my comparison. > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Apr 8 21:07:12 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:07:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110804071808r2f0ea0fep5ac0b7d70d1d3999@mail.gmail.com> References: <0E708CAB-CC54-4891-89EF-8F295A51B9C7@alumni.caltech.edu> <14C3CB5B-1F63-4E76-8338-23948B3F7494@kvglabs.com> <6bddc1110804071808r2f0ea0fep5ac0b7d70d1d3999@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Tim, On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:08 PM, Tim Skorick wrote: > If you ever have issues pulling data from CDs with programs that > drop bits, get EAC. Exact Audio Copy is the best track copying > software I've ever used. In fact, in the instances where I want to > archive digital music off of CDs, copying tracks with EAC and then > lossless compression with FLAC is usually how I roll :-) I use a Mac, but I'm tempted to get a PC just to run EAC. All the Mac CD data extraction data I've tried is mediocre, including iTunes. > > > -Tim > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Kermit Gray > wrote: > I did refer to a digital file-to-file copy with no software > processing. Alas, even though in theory it IS a bit-for-bit copy if > nothing goes wrong with the equipment, but such perfection seldom > happens. missing bits are the most common problem I encounter, as > well as jitter. But most digital formats have error correction > schemes to reduce the effects of the inevitable data errors to near > imperceptibility. 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So how does using digital > techniques to copy digital data that eventually will be treated as > input to a digital to analogue process differ? > Firstly, what do you mean by digital techniques? It's the lack of specificity of terminology that has been causing this discussion to mistrack -- and much of that lack of specificity has been my fault. I'm not a programmer, I'm an audio engineer, record producer and analog circuit designer. My expertise on the inner workings of digital circuits is limited to turning it on. But, as far as my understanding goes: Straight file copy within the same system should be bit-for-bit perfect, excluding disc read errors. Processing the digital audio data through software, including gain changes, mixing, software noise reduction, a wide variety of effects processing; or changing file formats, sample rate, bit depth, or bit order can, and often does, introduce data errors: truncation, least- significant-bit error, missing bits, for examples. Transferring the digital audio data from one digital recorder or digital audio device to another through its digital interface (such as transferring the output of a digital mixing console's AES-EBU connector through a convertor box to an Alesis HD24's optical ADAT inputs, or transferring the data from a Tascam DVRA-1000 to the USB input of a PC running Cubase) also can introduce data errors, such as jitter (irregularities in the data stream's clock), data truncation, least-significant-bit error, and missing bits. This is a serious problem in recording studios today -- the wide variety of digital data formats as well as the wide variety of digital audio interface standards causes no end of data integrity issues. These can be overcome and managed, but attention has to be paid to the problems, otherwise quality suffers. The mere act of reproducing digital audio can introduce data loss because of physical damage to the recorded media -- such as CD, SACD, DVD-A, R-DAT tape, Sony 1630 (digital U-Matic), MiniDisc, DigiCart, ADAT tape, 2-inch DASH tape or 2-inch reel-to-reel tape recordings made on the old Sony PCM-3348. Confused yet? :-) -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Apr 8 21:27:52 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:27:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <47FABBAD.1090502@cox.net> References: <0E708CAB-CC54-4891-89EF-8F295A51B9C7@alumni.caltech.edu> <14C3CB5B-1F63-4E76-8338-23948B3F7494@kvglabs.com> <47FABBAD.1090502@cox.net> Message-ID: <8C991DD2-221C-4EFE-B933-0BD6AF2E8A46@kvglabs.com> Hi(gh) Tim, On Apr 7, 2008, at 7:26 PM, Tim Barrett wrote: > May I recommend brain salve in the form of a nice Irish Whiskey? > A very good idea, but I'd have to add a nice blonde carrying a Nakamichi 550 as a chaser. > Tim Barrett > > Kermit Gray wrote: >> >> I did refer to a digital file-to-file copy with no software >> processing. Alas, even though in theory it IS a bit-for-bit copy if >> nothing goes wrong with the equipment, but such perfection seldom >> happens. missing bits are the most common problem I encounter, as >> well as jitter. But most digital formats have error correction >> schemes to reduce the effects of the inevitable data errors to near >> imperceptibility. My brain hurts now. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Apr 8 21:32:00 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:32:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: References: <0E708CAB-CC54-4891-89EF-8F295A51B9C7@alumni.caltech.edu> <14C3CB5B-1F63-4E76-8338-23948B3F7494@kvglabs.com> <47FB2D4B.1020703@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <47FBC830.1000000@peromarta.org> OK, let's put it this way: If there is a HD error, like a unmarked bad sector, copying the file can never happen, and the file will probably be lost forever. This is what I call file-to-file copy., and can never have things like (in the case of audio files) increased jitter, or any other kind of data errors. The copied files are exact clones. This happens at a filesystem level (being FAT, NTFS, ext3, RaiserFS, etc), with is lower logic layer than a file format of any wav or aiff file. Each one layer, has it's own data correction schema in place. Now, transcoding, DAE or other digital transmissions, may well have errors, (for example between my CD and DAC) but as I am not proficient enough in the area, I feel uncomfortable putting up an argument. With best rgds, LP Kermit Gray wrote: > Luis, > > In trying to be brief I wasn't specific enough, so I made a blanket > statement. There are so many different situations that can be referred > to as digital-to-digital copying, so let's please not get hung up on > specific wording and concentrate instead on the broadest of general > principles, okay? Yes, you're right, cp a.aiff b.aiff should be > bit-for-bit unless the system or HD itself has an error, but DAE or > transcoding from one digital format to another can introduce data > errors. Most digital audio formats are robust in that they expect data > errors to occur (from causes such as scratches on a CD or hard drive > read/write errors while transferring massive amounts of data), so the > file format incorporates a means of correcting data errors somewhat. As > to specifics, you'll have to ask a programmer about this. > > On Apr 8, 2008, at 3:31 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: >> Kermit, >> >> If you are suggesting that bit-by-bit file-to-file copy form here to >> there like in >> >> cp a.wav b.wab >> >> "seldom happens" , and that you find "missing bits" in the copy, with >> increased jitter, I guess we need to start to rethink the whole >> filesystem programming from scratch. >> >> I respect all opinions, but this is simply impossible. >> >> If you refer to DAE (digital audio extraction) from CDs, then that's >> another story. >> >> Best rgds, LP. >> >> >> Kermit Gray wrote: >>> I did refer to a digital file-to-file copy with no software >>> processing. Alas, even though in theory it IS a bit-for-bit copy if >>> nothing goes wrong with the equipment, but such perfection seldom >>> happens. missing bits are the most common problem I encounter, as >>> well as jitter. But most digital formats have error correction >>> schemes to reduce the effects of the inevitable data errors to near >>> imperceptibility. My brain hurts now. you're correct about the >>> magnitude of lossiness in MP3s, which is why I specified a typical >>> 128 kbps MP3 in my comparison. >> > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Tue Apr 8 21:34:25 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:34:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: References: <0E708CAB-CC54-4891-89EF-8F295A51B9C7@alumni.caltech.edu> <14C3CB5B-1F63-4E76-8338-23948B3F7494@kvglabs.com> <6bddc1110804071808r2f0ea0fep5ac0b7d70d1d3999@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47FBC8C1.7070003@peromarta.org> If you own an Intel Mac you can try to use a virtual PC using VMWare Fusion. Your virtual OS could be Win2000 or WinXP, as long as you insist on DMA access to CDs, you can use EAC with excellent results. LP. Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Tim, > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:08 PM, Tim Skorick wrote: >> If you ever have issues pulling data from CDs with programs that drop >> bits, get EAC. Exact Audio Copy is the best track copying software >> I've ever used. In fact, in the instances where I want to archive >> digital music off of CDs, copying tracks with EAC and then lossless >> compression with FLAC is usually how I roll :-) > > I use a Mac, but I'm tempted to get a PC just to run EAC. All the Mac CD > data extraction data I've tried is mediocre, including iTunes. > >> >> >> -Tim >> >> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Kermit Gray > > wrote: >> >> I did refer to a digital file-to-file copy with no software >> processing. Alas, even though in theory it IS a bit-for-bit copy >> if nothing goes wrong with the equipment, but such perfection >> seldom happens. missing bits are the most common problem I >> encounter, as well as jitter. But most digital formats have error >> correction schemes to reduce the effects of the inevitable data >> errors to near imperceptibility. My brain hurts now. > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Apr 8 17:00:12 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:00:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <47FBC830.1000000@peromarta.org> References: <0E708CAB-CC54-4891-89EF-8F295A51B9C7@alumni.caltech.edu> <14C3CB5B-1F63-4E76-8338-23948B3F7494@kvglabs.com> <47FB2D4B.1020703@peromarta.org> <47FBC830.1000000@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <670873C3-925C-4AAE-9C38-3EA457243732@kvglabs.com> Hi Luis, On Apr 8, 2008, at 2:32 PM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > OK, let's put it this way: > > If there is a HD error, like a unmarked bad sector, copying the file > can never happen, and the file will probably be lost forever. This > is what I call file-to-file copy., > and can never have things like (in the case of audio files) > increased jitter, or any other kind of data errors. The copied files > are exact clones. I agree. > > > This happens at a filesystem level (being FAT, NTFS, ext3, RaiserFS, > etc), with is lower logic layer than a file format of any wav or > aiff file. Each one layer, has it's own data correction schema in > place. This is why I prefer tape to digital: put in a cassette, or thread up a reel-to-reel, set levels, hit RECord, make music. Other than bias errors or tape dropouts, one doesn't have to worry about all of these other issues. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Apr 8 22:00:59 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:00:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <47FBC8C1.7070003@peromarta.org> References: <0E708CAB-CC54-4891-89EF-8F295A51B9C7@alumni.caltech.edu> <14C3CB5B-1F63-4E76-8338-23948B3F7494@kvglabs.com> <6bddc1110804071808r2f0ea0fep5ac0b7d70d1d3999@mail.gmail.com> <47FBC8C1.7070003@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <4D542F2B-E864-4868-B29A-C4DF2D2CACB7@kvglabs.com> Excellent! Thanks, Luis, I didn't know that! On Apr 8, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > If you own an Intel Mac you can try to use a virtual PC using VMWare > Fusion. Your virtual OS could be Win2000 or WinXP, as long as you > insist on DMA access to CDs, you can use EAC with excellent results. > > LP. > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Apr 8 14:57:11 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 08:57:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <47FB2D4B.1020703@peromarta.org> References: <0E708CAB-CC54-4891-89EF-8F295A51B9C7@alumni.caltech.edu> <14C3CB5B-1F63-4E76-8338-23948B3F7494@kvglabs.com> <47FB2D4B.1020703@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <47FB6BA7.2090607@yahoo.ca> Hi Kermit, missing bits could only happen with a poor SPDIF signal, or poor CD extraction. Files on an hard drive can be more than music, and if system files would miss bits when copied, you'd get errors all the time. On a filesystem, every files are treated the same way, and error correction is applied. If a file isn't bit for bit copied, you'll get an error telling the copy has failed. Are there any chances you're keeping a few magnets close to your computer? It's HDD will lose sectors that way... ;-) Jitter only appears in synchronous data transmission like I2S, DSD of SPDIF going to a DAC. USB and Firewire don't. Your computer has buffers, error correction, to make sure nothing happens to the files. One last thing, if you're talking about a file-to-file copy to a multisession rewritable optical media, then, that's another problem, it doesn't work. Antoine Luis Peromarta a écrit : > Kermit, > > If you are suggesting that bit-by-bit file-to-file copy form here to > there like in > > cp a.wav b.wab > > "seldom happens" , and that you find "missing bits" in the copy, with > increased jitter, I guess we need to start to rethink the whole > filesystem programming from scratch. > > I respect all opinions, but this is simply impossible. > > If you refer to DAE (digital audio extraction) from CDs, then that's > another story. > > Best rgds, LP. > > > Kermit Gray wrote: >> I did refer to a digital file-to-file copy with no software >> processing. Alas, even though in theory it IS a bit-for-bit copy if >> nothing goes wrong with the equipment, but such perfection seldom >> happens. missing bits are the most common problem I encounter, as >> well as jitter. But most digital formats have error correction >> schemes to reduce the effects of the inevitable data errors to near >> imperceptibility. My brain hurts now. >> you're correct about the magnitude of From benstratford at aol.co.uk Tue Apr 8 10:01:01 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:01:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? In-Reply-To: <413655.90796.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CA6765D1DEED77-5CC-132D@MBLK-M16.sysops.aol.com> Good Call Kannan, that way everything can be set up and tested to ensure logic and control are all in sync before worrying about the power.? If all is well and the power is sorted, then a unique deck may be born.? Definitely worth serious consideration.? All I need now is a very cheap ZX-9 donor deck!! Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? Since the DD motor is running all the time from the time you switch on any Nak - external 12 V DC supply should infact reduce the overall power requirement. cam movement and feedback all similar to ZX 9 or Dragon in functionality with 1000 ZXL - so very simple to experiment the performance.this mod?befor even integrating - I would take the power ( for th DD motor)?from?donor Nak for the experiment kannan? benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: Tom, I was thinking about a ZX-9 transport with just the one DD motor.? Mechanical challenges look to be insignificant at first glance, will have a look into the power requirements first then, thanks for your suggestions.? There must be some flexibility with regard to the transformer, will consider and try to calculate the differences anticipated. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 5:42 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? Ben, Bala is also interested in this modification. I have done a bit of thinking on the subject at his urging. The major?obstacle will be? the power supply. The DD motors and associated drive circuits require more power than a DC governor motor. Each supply could be modified to deliver more current, however the over-all power increase might overheat the ZXL's power transformer. Perhaps installing LEDs in place of incandescent lamps would produce a power savings trade-off. It is very easy to modify the motor control interface, and to mechanically fit the Dragon chassis into the ZXL body. ? tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Sent: Apr 6, 2008 3:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? I'm considering the merits and evaluating the electrical & mechanical challenges of fitting a ZXL with a direct drive transport from a ZX-9.? Anticipated benefits being: Lower W/F & Capstan belt sensitivity becomes less critical. Views? 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URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Tue Apr 8 10:11:47 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:11:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Cassette Deck front Capstan turing in Wrong Direction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA67675368EC9B-5CC-1356@MBLK-M16.sysops.aol.com> Mark, Can you disconnect the capstan motor and energise it separately from the decks power supply using dc cells?  I bet it moves the right way! Something will therefore be instructing the motor to do the opposite when connected.  Something else has failed I would guess.  This would help to narrow down the area concerned. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 3:57 pm Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Cassette Deck front Capstan turing in Wrong Direction Thank you Kimo and Ali for the advice. However you are in for a surprise...   First - I laid the deck on its back and squirted some DeOxit in the memory switch which was stuck in the 'on' position. Read the directions on the can and got 100% results. The switch works fine.   Second - After looking at the deck again with the cover off, I noticed the belt which runs the fast forward and rewind was missing. I put a rubber band on and the unit and it now plays, fast forwards, and rewinds. I got the rubber band idea from this site thru a guy who purchased a Nak deck on Ebay. When he removed the cover, he found out that a rubber band was used instead of a belt. Note: All four belts are moving on this deck. Because of this, I also found out the three-digit tape counter works.    Third - The front drive capstan is still moving in the wrong direction. Therefore the deck will continue to eat tapes. I am no electronic tech, but if someone can give me good advice, please do so.   Fourth - I need a belt for the motor which runs the fast forward and rewind function. I also need a service manual for this deck. Again, I'm asking for advice and help from this group. Thank you.       From: mark8559 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] Purchased a non-working 700 II Cassette Deck Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:07:02 -0600 I must also mention the deck has a sticky memory switch. I squirted some contact cleaner in the switched and pushed it in some 30 times. The switch never did pop out. When I pulled the switch out, I could feel that the memory switch stayed in. I guess the memory switch is still in the 'on' position. From: BOEING747600 at aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:56:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Purchased a non-working 700 II Cassette Deck To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Mark,  Check the condition of rubber idler uderneath the  reel motor  sitting on top of the rubber idler , the idler is between the two reel spools  and the rubber material on the idler is most likely dirty or have worn out and thus not making a positive contact with either reel spools to turn them fast, try cleaning this rubber idler with a good cleaner like alchol throughly and it might just solve the problem of fast forward or rewind also see that the idler turns smoothly the lubrication in the bearing might have dried up or the bearing itself might have been worm but this is only if the previous owner has used the machine a lot and also i provided the rubber material on the idler has not worn so thin or has not cracked in places in which case you might have to replace the rubber on the idler itself  , removing the complete rubber idler is very difficult if not completely impossible!   . Do this same cleaning on the capstan rubber rollers and the capstan shafts if your machine has double capstan drive , if its single then cleaning the single roller and the  chrome capstan shaft which the rubber roller come in contact ,again this should help solve your problem.  The wrong direction of  capstan motor turning might be a bad motor control IC or some part in the capstan motor circuit  i sending wrong polarity voltage to the motor making it turn in the wrong direction. A schematics or service manual for this machine should be a big help solving your problem.   Also ask tom bucker, he seems to know all the answers! :).   Hope this info helps you bring your deck back online. Thanks!  Ali   In a message dated 4/7/2008 3:26:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark8559 at hotmail.com writes: I managed to purchased a 700 II cassette deck today. The gentleman I purchased it from said he got it from the original owner who lives in desert climate and mentioned the deck has been stored and not used for a long time.   I took off the cover and everything was clean with no signs of corrosion. The belts seem pretty good. It powers up and the capstans turn, the record and pause lights stay on when pressed at the same time, and the Vu meters light up.   When pressing play, the transport goes into position and then right away back down. If I keep play pressed, then the play transport remains in position until I release the play button. NOTE: I did find out the the front capstan turns in the wrong direction, therefore it ate a tape.   When I press rewind, the deck makes a sound as if it's rewinding, but isn't. Also when I press rewind, the deck goes into stop position two seconds later. If I continuously keep my finger on the rewind button, the light on the deck will go from rewind to stop to rewind to stop, etc...with a clicking sound.   The fast forward function has the same problems as rewind.   Please let me know what the problems are or could be.   The cosmetic condition of the deck is very good.   Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. = ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk =======---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobschneider8 at comcast.net Tue Apr 8 21:28:00 2008 From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net (Robert Schneider) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:28:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: References: <0E708CAB-CC54-4891-89EF-8F295A51B9C7@alumni.caltech.edu><14C3CB5B-1F63-4E76-8338-23948B3F7494@kvglabs.com><6bddc1110804071808r2f0ea0fep5ac0b7d70d1d3999@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006801c899ae$adad15a0$4e74c50a@VANILLAWOD0VKD> I'm fairly happy with Max for CD extraction on my Mac. It's free, and works well on CDs that are in decent shape. It will extract and convert to flac files in one step. It also saves my extracts into the directory structure I want better than any PC software I've tried. But when I get a CD that's hard to read, I go to EAC on a PC. I've always figured that this was because the CD drive in my PC desktop handles marginal disks much better than the superdrive in my MacBook Pro, rather than EAC being better at extracting than Max, but I haven't done any experiments to confirm. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:07 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question Hi Tim, On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:08 PM, Tim Skorick wrote: If you ever have issues pulling data from CDs with programs that drop bits, get EAC. Exact Audio Copy is the best track copying software I've ever used. In fact, in the instances where I want to archive digital music off of CDs, copying tracks with EAC and then lossless compression with FLAC is usually how I roll :-) I use a Mac, but I'm tempted to get a PC just to run EAC. All the Mac CD data extraction data I've tried is mediocre, including iTunes. -Tim On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Kermit Gray wrote: I did refer to a digital file-to-file copy with no software processing. Alas, even though in theory it IS a bit-for-bit copy if nothing goes wrong with the equipment, but such perfection seldom happens. missing bits are the most common problem I encounter, as well as jitter. But most digital formats have error correction schemes to reduce the effects of the inevitable data errors to near imperceptibility. My brain hurts now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The only problem left is that I still have the forward capstan turning in the wrong direction.> To: naktalk at naks.com> From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu> Subject: [naktalk] FW: Purchased a non-working 700 II Cassette Deck> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:46:34 -0700> > The capstan turning the wrong direction sounds like the capstan belt > must be twisted in a very odd way, if it is indeed only the forward> capstan (they are driven the same belt.> > Sounds to me like the stop issue and such is caused by the reel motor > belt being broken; they were fairly fragile. If it is not then, then> it could be misadjusted or bad ball clutch mechanisms, or the reel > motor. 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URL: From terry75115 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 9 01:25:35 2008 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <4D542F2B-E864-4868-B29A-C4DF2D2CACB7@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <369644.67469.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Okay, it seems we've determined that coping digital to analog or digital to digital can cause errors or dropped bits. Now, my original question is "why do people think analog sound is better (warmer) then digital?". If that's true, then is playing a copied tape from a digital source also giving a better (warmer) sound? Terry ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 21:24:41 2008 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:24:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: References: <0E708CAB-CC54-4891-89EF-8F295A51B9C7@alumni.caltech.edu> <14C3CB5B-1F63-4E76-8338-23948B3F7494@kvglabs.com> <6bddc1110804071808r2f0ea0fep5ac0b7d70d1d3999@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110804081224g5c9a4c9t3e875db475c77d21@mail.gmail.com> I have friends with macs and they seem to like Max ( http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/28353) and also xAct ( http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/21952), although I don't know how these stack up to EAC. -Tim On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Tim, > On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:08 PM, Tim Skorick wrote: > > If you ever have issues pulling data from CDs with programs that drop > bits, get EAC. Exact Audio Copy is the best track copying software I've > ever used. In fact, in the instances where I want to archive digital music > off of CDs, copying tracks with EAC and then lossless compression with FLAC > is usually how I roll :-) > > > I use a Mac, but I'm tempted to get a PC just to run EAC. All the Mac CD > data extraction data I've tried is mediocre, including iTunes. > > > > -Tim > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Kermit Gray wrote: > > > I did refer to a digital file-to-file copy with no software processing. > > Alas, even though in theory it IS a bit-for-bit copy if nothing goes wrong > > with the equipment, but such perfection seldom happens. missing bits are the > > most common problem I encounter, as well as jitter. But most digital formats > > have error correction schemes to reduce the effects of the inevitable data > > errors to near imperceptibility. My brain hurts now. > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From van_der_graff_generator at hotmail.com Tue Apr 8 22:34:48 2008 From: van_der_graff_generator at hotmail.com (RG) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:34:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RX303 manual Message-ID: Hi I want to post a message... I want to buy a copy or original Nakamichi RX303 user manual....Thanks Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Apr 9 01:47:20 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:47:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question Message-ID: <89655B0C-89B6-4E28-AFC2-D68AB5B8D3A2@alumni.caltech.edu> > I did refer to a digital file-to-file copy with no software > processing. Alas, even though in theory it IS a bit-for-bit copy if > nothing goes wrong with the equipment, but such perfection seldom > happens. missing bits are the most common problem I encounter, as well > as jitter. But most digital formats have error correction schemes to > reduce the effects of the inevitable data errors to near > imperceptibility. My brain hurts now. Well, maybe it's time for me to clarify what I meant :-). If you are reading from an Audio CD, my understanding is yes, there is some magic going on in the digital extraction. In the old old days it was done by Quicktime on the mac. It probably still is under at least some circumstances. I don't know about PCs although quicktime also does exist for them (but is not the norm). I guess what I would refer to as a better example of a 'perfect' copy is if you have an AIFF file (which I believe is the audio equivalent of a TIFF image, so pretty much raw data...no compression), on a hard disk as a data file, then copying it should yield an identically readable copy in all cases sans serious hardware malfunction which should normally be detected. I'm sure I'll be corrected/clarified on inaccuracies in my understanding, but the fact that a CD placed in a Mac looks like a bunch of AIFF files is an illusion and indeed copying the files to disk does not necessarily yield bit-level identical files.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Apr 9 07:11:53 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:11:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <369644.67469.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <369644.67469.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: OOPS .. okay, gotcha now. Some listeners perceive the inherent distortions and nonlinearities of analog recordings are more like that of live music, and hence seem "warmer" or more musical"; in other words, more pleasing to the ear. The specifics of why some listeners perceive analog in this way are complex, and in some instances not completely understood. On Apr 8, 2008, at 6:25 PM, Terry Houchins wrote: > Okay, it seems we've determined that coping digital to > analog or digital to digital can cause errors or > dropped bits. > > Now, my original question is "why do people think > analog sound is better (warmer) then digital?". > > If that's true, then is playing a copied tape from a > digital source also giving a better (warmer) sound? > > Terry > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of > Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Apr 9 07:24:22 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:24:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <89655B0C-89B6-4E28-AFC2-D68AB5B8D3A2@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <89655B0C-89B6-4E28-AFC2-D68AB5B8D3A2@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: Let me ask you a question I once asked the Studer rep -- and never really understood his answer. At one time I leased a Studer D827 DASH recorder. One of its features was that you could make a backup copy of a tape (a "clone," in Studer- speak) by transferring the data to another Studer D827 in the digital domain without using that A/D/A convertors. My understanding was that this was the same as copying a file on a computer disc. Yet, the Studer rep cautioned that if you made a copy of a copy of a copy this way .. an other words tape A to Tape B, then Tape B to tape C, then Tape C to tape D, you would find a 6 dB increase in the signal-to- noise ratio once tape D was converted back to analog (compared to Tape A.) in other words, increased errors, noise and distortion show up in the 4th generation copy of a digital audio file. I asked if it was the same with computer-based PCM audio or other tape formats, and the Studer rep stated that, according to Willi Studer, the answer is "Yes." So, maybe mistakenly, I've ensured that my digital recordings never make it to the 4th generation copy, even if I'm working with a computer DAW. Any ideas about what Studer was talking about? On Apr 8, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> I did refer to a digital file-to-file copy with no software >> processing. Alas, even though in theory it IS a bit-for-bit copy if >> nothing goes wrong with the equipment, but such perfection seldom >> happens. missing bits are the most common problem I encounter, as >> well >> as jitter. But most digital formats have error correction schemes to >> reduce the effects of the inevitable data errors to near >> imperceptibility. My brain hurts now. > > Well, maybe it's time for me to clarify what I meant :-). > > If you are reading from an Audio CD, my understanding is yes, there > is some magic going on > in the digital extraction. In the old old days it was done by > Quicktime on the mac. It probably > still is under at least some circumstances. I don't know about PCs > although quicktime also > does exist for them (but is not the norm). > > I guess what I would refer to as a better example of a 'perfect' > copy is if you have an AIFF file > (which I believe is the audio equivalent of a TIFF image, so pretty > much raw data...no compression), > on a hard disk as a data file, then copying it should yield an > identically readable copy in all cases > sans serious hardware malfunction which should normally be detected. > > I'm sure I'll be corrected/clarified on inaccuracies in my > understanding, but the fact that a CD placed > in a Mac looks like a bunch of AIFF files is an illusion and indeed > copying the files to disk does not > necessarily yield bit-level identical files.-kby > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 9 01:52:53 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? In-Reply-To: <8CA6765D1DEED77-5CC-132D@MBLK-M16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <347104.62450.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, I would love to know how this one goes Ben. A former Nak tech, now a TEAC tech told me last year he did transplant the Dragon DD motor to the ZXL, but retained the ZXLs superior heads. His name is Kevin and he said he built a completely new power supply and ran the Dragon transport with this separate PS unit inside the ZXL. I had toyed with this idea for the whole of last year, but was unsuccessful in getting it implemented on one of my ZXLs. SIgh! I did it pass this by Jeff Galin of ESL and he says its definitely doable with great gains due to lower w/f numbers and better sound, but he needs to figure out the time it takes to do it and how much it would cost! Hope you are the first one to do it Ben! Good luck. Regards, Ram Believe it or not, benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: Good Call Kannan, that way everything can be set up and tested to ensure logic and control are all in sync before worrying about the power. If all is well and the power is sorted, then a unique deck may be born. Definitely worth serious consideration. All I need now is a very cheap ZX-9 donor deck!! Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? Since the DD motor is running all the time from the time you switch on any Nak - external 12 V DC supply should infact reduce the overall power requirement. cam movement and feedback all similar to ZX 9 or Dragon in functionality with 1000 ZXL - so very simple to experiment the performance.this mod befor even integrating - I would take the power ( for th DD motor) from donor Nak for the experiment kannan benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: Tom, I was thinking about a ZX-9 transport with just the one DD motor. Mechanical challenges look to be insignificant at first glance, will have a look into the power requirements first then, thanks for your suggestions. There must be some flexibility with regard to the transformer, will consider and try to calculate the differences anticipated. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 5:42 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? #AOLMsgPart_3_b495b0eb-fa8a-4fce-b655-7d9b5870991c #AOLMsgPart_1_30dfbcab-9345-4344-901c-cfb9f8e6432b body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;} Ben, Bala is also interested in this modification. I have done a bit of thinking on the subject at his urging. The major obstacle will be the power supply. The DD motors and associated drive circuits require more power than a DC governor motor. Each supply could be modified to deliver more current, however the over-all power increase might overheat the ZXL's power transformer. Perhaps installing LEDs in place of incandescent lamps would produce a power savings trade-off. It is very easy to modify the motor control interface, and to mechanically fit the Dragon chassis into the ZXL body. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Sent: Apr 6, 2008 3:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? I'm considering the merits and evaluating the electrical & mechanical challenges of fitting a ZXL with a direct drive transport from a ZX-9. Anticipated benefits being: Lower W/F & Capstan belt sensitivity becomes less critical. Views? Rgds, Ben --------------------------------- Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Thanks, Bob Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Terry, On Apr 5, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Terry Houchins wrote: > I have several MP3's that I've downloaded and want to > copy them to my RX-505. > If analog is suppose to give a better sound, wouldn't > it have to be a analog to analog copy from a record > instead of a digital to analog copy from a computer? > > Terry > Well, from the perspective of a studio engineer who regularly uses both analog and digital sound, and at the risk of starting a firestorm ... Analog and digital are both capable of excellent sound; neither is better, except in the preferences of a particular listener. An analog-to-analog copy from any source will have 3 dB to 6 dB increase in noise and, typically, a doubling of distortion and flutter- and-wow. A digital-to-analog copy will have approximately a 3 dB increase in noise, and increased distortion, plus the analog recorder's flutter- and-wow will be introduced into the copy. A digital-to-digital copy done in the digital domain will NOT be a bit- for-bit perfect copy despite ad claims to the contrary. The copy will have increased jitter, data errors, missing bits, and least- significant-bit errors. The perceptibility of the degradation varies with the format and the reproduction equipment, as well as the listener's acuity. The decision as to which is best is a matter of opinion and thus the answer to the decision is up to the listener. Nevertheless, I'm confident to say that any MP3 is not hi-fi, and worrying over the optimal means of copying an MP3 is unwarranted. 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URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Wed Apr 9 01:58:37 2008 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Cassette Deck front Capstan turing in Wrong Direction In-Reply-To: <8497061.1207662575763.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <926004.76407.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hey Tom, "Do not fool with the RW/FF clutch unless you have to as it is a mechanical mystery once disassembled." What do you mean by that? I think it's the clutch that's the problem with my 700 II. (I've emailed you about it before). Why is the 700 so different it seems? Break it down a little more for us novices. Appreciate your contributions. -Jesse --- Tom Brucker wrote: --------------------------------- body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;} Mark, The capstan belt ought to make a simple triangle around the outside of the two capstans and one motor pulley. Fred at marrscommunitcations has belt kits (eBAy). Do not fool with the RW/FF clutch unless you have to as it is a mechanical mystery once disassembled. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Mark Exstedt Sent: Apr 7, 2008 10:57 PM To: "naktalk at naks.com" Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Cassette Deck front Capstan turing in Wrong Direction .hmmessage P{margin:0px;padding:0px}body.hmmessage{FONT-SIZE: 10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma}Thank you Kimo and Ali for the advice. However you are in for a surprise... First - I laid the deck on its back and squirted some DeOxit in the memory switch which was stuck in the 'on' position. Read the directions on the can and got 100% results. The switch works fine. Second - After looking at the deck again with the cover off, I noticed the belt which runs the fast forward and rewind was missing. I put a rubber band on and the unit and it now plays, fast forwards, and rewinds. I got the rubber band idea from this site thru a guy who purchased a Nak deck on Ebay. When he removed the cover, he found out that a rubber band was used instead of a belt. Note: All four belts are moving on this deck. Because of this, I also found out the three-digit tape counter works. Third - The front drive capstan is still moving in the wrong direction. Therefore the deck will continue to eat tapes. I am no electronic tech, but if someone can give me good advice, please do so. Fourth - I need a belt for the motor which runs the fast forward and rewind function. I also need a service manual for this deck. Again, I'm asking for advice and help from this group. Thank you. --------------------------------- From: mark8559 at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] Purchased a non-working 700 II Cassette Deck Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:07:02 -0600 .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P{padding:0px;}.ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage{font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}I must also mention the deck has a sticky memory switch. I squirted some contact cleaner in the switched and pushed it in some 30 times. The switch never did pop out. When I pulled the switch out, I could feel that the memory switch stayed in. I guess the memory switch is still in the 'on' position. --------------------------------- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:56:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Purchased a non-working 700 II Cassette Deck To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Mark, Check the condition of rubber idler uderneath the reel motor sitting on top of the rubber idler , the idler is between the two reel spools and the rubber material on the idler is most likely dirty or have worn out and thus not making a positive contact with either reel spools to turn them fast, try cleaning this rubber idler with a good cleaner like alchol throughly and it might just solve the problem of fast forward or rewind also see that the idler turns smoothly the lubrication in the bearing might have dried up or the bearing itself might have been worm but this is only if the previous owner has used the machine a lot and also i provided the rubber material on the idler has not worn so thin or has not cracked in places in which case you might have to replace the rubber on the idler itself , removing the complete rubber idler is very difficult if not completely impossible! . Do this same cleaning on the capstan rubber rollers and the capstan shafts if your machine has double capstan drive , if its single then cleaning the single roller and the chrome capstan shaft which the rubber roller come in contact ,again this should help solve your problem. The wrong direction of capstan motor turning might be a bad motor control IC or some part in the capstan motor circuit i sending wrong polarity voltage to the motor making it turn in the wrong direction. A schematics or service manual for this machine should be a big help solving your problem. Also ask tom bucker, he seems to know all the answers! :). Hope this info helps you bring your deck back online. Thanks! Ali In a message dated 4/7/2008 3:26:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark8559 at hotmail.com writes: I managed to purchased a 700 II cassette deck today. The gentleman I purchased it from said he got it from the original owner who lives in desert climate and mentioned the deck has been stored and not used for a long time. I took off the cover and everything was clean with no signs of corrosion. The belts seem pretty good. It powers up and the capstans turn, the record and pause lights stay on when pressed at the same time, and the Vu meters light up. When pressing play, the transport goes into position and then right away back down. If I keep play pressed, then the play transport remains in position until I release the play button. NOTE: I did find out the the front capstan turns in the wrong direction, therefore it ate a tape. When I press rewind, the deck makes a sound as if it's rewinding, but isn't. Also when I press rewind, the deck goes into stop position two seconds later. If I continuously keep my finger on the rewind button, the light on the deck will go from rewind to stop to rewind to stop, etc...with a clicking sound. The fast forward function has the same problems as rewind. Please let me know what the problems are or could be. The cosmetic condition of the deck is very good. --------------------------------- Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. --------------------------------- Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. --------------------------------- Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. Hi Tech Service2934 Nolensville Rd. 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That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From dbauer45 at comcast.net Wed Apr 9 03:58:43 2008 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 21:58:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX References: <8CA622415E89EA1-10A0-2CB@MBLK-M19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001901c899e5$3eaf1040$6601a8c0@asusm2n4sli> Greetings Nakkers, This discussion has brought me out of lurking to ask what would be a suitable replacement this capacitor. The 680ZX service manual describes it as a 4700 pF polypropylene cap rated at 100V. Also, the description in the manual ends with a capital G like this: PP capacitor 4700P 100V G Having shopped mouser.com and digi-key, I can not find a cap that matches these specs and my knowledge of electronics is quite limited. So what would be a suitable replacement or what do I need to search for in the catalogues? Thanks much and all you folks are just great to have here. Dean ---- Original Message ----- From: johngipps at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com ; chalenor at msn.com Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX Hi John That's a common fault in the 680ZX. Replace defective capacitor C901 in the FL Indicator module - it's on PCB C and is 4.7nF. Regards John Gipps Message: 13 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:57:17 -0700 From: "John Chalenor" Subject: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The VU meter display works intermittently on my 680ZX; it works when the power is turned on and then stops working a few minutes latter. I was thinking about having it fixed or wondering if this is something I could do myself. Any information on the cause and possible fix would be appreciated. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 9 05:26:51 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:26:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <45951CE4-E548-47F2-972F-4D06042E90C1@kvglabs.com> References: <473906.99693.qm@web56412.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <2D31C806-6230-4FE3-BADB-351B3D96FD82@kvglabs.com> <47FA1E0A.1010505@whiteapple.u-net.com> <45951CE4-E548-47F2-972F-4D06042E90C1@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <47FC377B.2090501@rcn.com> Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Doug, > > On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Doug Locke wrote: >> Hello Kermit >> >> I really am not trying to bring up the analogue v digital debate or >> be contentious, but I have in my time programmed in assembler and >> know that even one changed byte can completely screw up a program. >> Thus when I copy a program from one source to another I know that >> normally it is a bit for bit copy, indeed all the software installed >> on every computer relies on this. So how does using digital >> techniques to copy digital data that eventually will be treated as >> input to a digital to analogue process differ? >> > > Firstly, what do you mean by digital techniques? It's the lack of > specificity of terminology that has been causing this discussion to > mistrack -- and much of that lack of specificity has been my fault. > I'm not a programmer, I'm an audio engineer, record producer and > analog circuit designer. My expertise on the inner workings of digital > circuits is limited to turning it on. > > But, as far as my understanding goes: > > Straight file copy within the same system should be bit-for-bit > perfect, excluding disc read errors. Correct. > > Processing the digital audio data through software, including gain > changes, mixing, software noise reduction, a wide variety of effects > processing; or changing file formats, sample rate, bit depth, or bit > order can, and often does, introduce data errors: truncation, > least-significant-bit error, missing bits, for examples. Incorrect. What you call 'LSB errors' and 'truncation errors' are the same. These are very small errors, stemming from an insufficient number of bits. As to 'missing bits ', there should be none whatsoever, unless there is an actual fault. > > Transferring the digital audio data from one digital recorder or > digital audio device to another through its digital interface (such as > transferring the output of a digital mixing console's AES-EBU > connector through a convertor box to an Alesis HD24's optical ADAT > inputs, or transferring the data from a Tascam DVRA-1000 to the USB > input of a PC running Cubase) also can introduce data errors, such as > jitter (irregularities in the data stream's clock), data truncation, > least-significant-bit error, and missing bits. Transfer of digital date *should* be totally error free, assuming all equipment is compatible and operational, Jitter is a red herring often used to justify $500 cables. It consists of small timing errors that can cause large data errors. Jitter is fairly easy and cheap to correct at the receiving end (as it always is). The fact is, bit streams are regularly passed between various devices (say, external HDDs and computers) with next to zero errors. As far as the hardware is concerned, audio, video, images, computer programs text and spread sheets are all the same: just bit patterns. We manage to transfer bank accounts with no errors. Why would there be any missed bits with audio transfers?. > This is a serious problem in recording studios today -- the wide > variety of digital data formats as well as the wide variety of digital > audio interface standards causes no end of data integrity issues. > These can be overcome and managed, but attention has to be paid to the > problems, otherwise quality suffers. Well, yes! But once equipment -- both H/W and S/W -- is in place and working, all of this 'serious problem' goes away, no?. It's like stating that there is a serious problem in transportation, because some trucks require Diesel fuel while some other require gasoline and yet others require electricity and this potential incompatibility somehow causes missed shipments. -- Ron > > The mere act of reproducing digital audio can introduce data loss > because of physical damage to the recorded media -- such as CD, SACD, > DVD-A, R-DAT tape, Sony 1630 (digital U-Matic), MiniDisc, DigiCart, > ADAT tape, 2-inch DASH tape or 2-inch reel-to-reel tape recordings > made on the old Sony PCM-3348. > > Confused yet? :-) > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 9 05:55:13 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 21:55:13 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] 700 II Front Capstan Turing in Wrong Direction Message-ID: I made the triangle configuration with the belt from the capstan drive motor to the motor pully. Now the front capstan turns in the right direction, but the rear capstan turns in the wrong direction. I believe I get a squeaking sound now - looks like the belt is grinding at the triangle area. Again, I have no service manual. Perhaps I'm almost there to get this deck to play? Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:49:35 -0500From: hitech77 at earthlink.netTo: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] 700 II Cassette Deck front Capstan turing in Wrong Direction Mark, The capstan belt ought to make a simple triangle around the outside of the two capstans and one motor pulley. Fred at marrscommunitcations has belt kits (eBAy). Do not fool with the RW/FF clutch unless you have to as it is a mechanical mystery once disassembled. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Mark Exstedt Sent: Apr 7, 2008 10:57 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Cassette Deck front Capstan turing in Wrong Direction Thank you Kimo and Ali for the advice. However you are in for a surprise... First - I laid the deck on its back and squirted some DeOxit in the memory switch which was stuck in the 'on' position. Read the directions on the can and got 100% results. The switch works fine. Second - After looking at the deck again with the cover off, I noticed the belt which runs the fast forward and rewind was missing. I put a rubber band on and the unit and it now plays, fast forwards, and rewinds. I got the rubber band idea from this site thru a guy who purchased a Nak deck on Ebay. When he removed the cover, he found out that a rubber band was used instead of a belt. Note: All four belts are moving on this deck. Because of this, I also found out the three-digit tape counter works. Third - The front drive capstan is still moving in the wrong direction. Therefore the deck will continue to eat tapes. I am no electronic tech, but if someone can give me good advice, please do so. Fourth - I need a belt for the motor which runs the fast forward and rewind function. I also need a service manual for this deck. Again, I'm asking for advice and help from this group. Thank you. From: mark8559 at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: FW: [naktalk] Purchased a non-working 700 II Cassette DeckDate: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:07:02 -0600 I must also mention the deck has a sticky memory switch. I squirted some contact cleaner in the switched and pushed it in some 30 times. The switch never did pop out. When I pulled the switch out, I could feel that the memory switch stayed in. I guess the memory switch is still in the 'on' position. From: BOEING747600 at aol.comDate: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:56:48 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] Purchased a non-working 700 II Cassette DeckTo: naktalk at naks.com Hi Mark, Check the condition of rubber idler uderneath the reel motor sitting on top of the rubber idler , the idler is between the two reel spools and the rubber material on the idler is most likely dirty or have worn out and thus not making a positive contact with either reel spools to turn them fast, try cleaning this rubber idler with a good cleaner like alchol throughly and it might just solve the problem of fast forward or rewind also see that the idler turns smoothly the lubrication in the bearing might have dried up or the bearing itself might have been worm but this is only if the previous owner has used the machine a lot and also i provided the rubber material on the idler has not worn so thin or has not cracked in places in which case you might have to replace the rubber on the idler itself , removing the complete rubber idler is very difficult if not completely impossible! . Do this same cleaning on the capstan rubber rollers and the capstan shafts if your machine has double capstan drive , if its single then cleaning the single roller and the chrome capstan shaft which the rubber roller come in contact ,again this should help solve your problem. The wrong direction of capstan motor turning might be a bad motor control IC or some part in the capstan motor circuit i sending wrong polarity voltage to the motor making it turn in the wrong direction. A schematics or service manual for this machine should be a big help solving your problem. Also ask tom bucker, he seems to know all the answers! :). Hope this info helps you bring your deck back online. Thanks! Ali In a message dated 4/7/2008 3:26:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark8559 at hotmail.com writes: I managed to purchased a 700 II cassette deck today. The gentleman I purchased it from said he got it from the original owner who lives in desert climate and mentioned the deck has been stored and not used for a long time. I took off the cover and everything was clean with no signs of corrosion. The belts seem pretty good. It powers up and the capstans turn, the record and pause lights stay on when pressed at the same time, and the Vu meters light up. When pressing play, the transport goes into position and then right away back down. If I keep play pressed, then the play transport remains in position until I release the play button. NOTE: I did find out the the front capstan turns in the wrong direction, therefore it ate a tape. When I press rewind, the deck makes a sound as if it's rewinding, but isn't. Also when I press rewind, the deck goes into stop position two seconds later. If I continuously keep my finger on the rewind button, the light on the deck will go from rewind to stop to rewind to stop, etc...with a clicking sound. The fast forward function has the same problems as rewind. Please let me know what the problems are or could be. The cosmetic condition of the deck is very good. Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. =========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. Hi Tech Service2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211hitech77 at earthlink.nethitech@bellsouth.net615-331-9241 _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 9 07:03:13 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 23:03:13 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] 700 II Cassette Deck front Capstan turing in Wrong Direction Message-ID: Forget my last posting Tom. I believed I figured this out. Someone has tinkered with this deck. There's a capstan belt that is only on the bottom capstan to the pully on the capstan motor. When I understood your advice, I had to disassemble the pully configuration to put the belt on the two capstans and the capstan motor pully. When I did that, the belt keep slipping off. That's because this is the wrong belt as it is pehaps only 1/16" in diameter. I believe this deck uses a wide flat belt. Perhaps at least 3/16" wide. I'll be ordering the belts tomorrow. Once received, I believe I'll have a playing 700 II. Thanks for your advice and I'll keep you posted thru Naktalk. Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:49:35 -0500From: hitech77 at earthlink.netTo: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] 700 II Cassette Deck front Capstan turing in Wrong Direction Mark, The capstan belt ought to make a simple triangle around the outside of the two capstans and one motor pulley. Fred at marrscommunitcations has belt kits (eBAy). Do not fool with the RW/FF clutch unless you have to as it is a mechanical mystery once disassembled. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Mark Exstedt Sent: Apr 7, 2008 10:57 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Cassette Deck front Capstan turing in Wrong Direction Thank you Kimo and Ali for the advice. However you are in for a surprise... First - I laid the deck on its back and squirted some DeOxit in the memory switch which was stuck in the 'on' position. Read the directions on the can and got 100% results. The switch works fine. Second - After looking at the deck again with the cover off, I noticed the belt which runs the fast forward and rewind was missing. I put a rubber band on and the unit and it now plays, fast forwards, and rewinds. I got the rubber band idea from this site thru a guy who purchased a Nak deck on Ebay. When he removed the cover, he found out that a rubber band was used instead of a belt. Note: All four belts are moving on this deck. Because of this, I also found out the three-digit tape counter works. Third - The front drive capstan is still moving in the wrong direction. Therefore the deck will continue to eat tapes. I am no electronic tech, but if someone can give me good advice, please do so. Fourth - I need a belt for the motor which runs the fast forward and rewind function. I also need a service manual for this deck. Again, I'm asking for advice and help from this group. Thank you. From: mark8559 at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: FW: [naktalk] Purchased a non-working 700 II Cassette DeckDate: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:07:02 -0600 I must also mention the deck has a sticky memory switch. I squirted some contact cleaner in the switched and pushed it in some 30 times. The switch never did pop out. When I pulled the switch out, I could feel that the memory switch stayed in. I guess the memory switch is still in the 'on' position. From: BOEING747600 at aol.comDate: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:56:48 -0400Subject: Re: [naktalk] Purchased a non-working 700 II Cassette DeckTo: naktalk at naks.com Hi Mark, Check the condition of rubber idler uderneath the reel motor sitting on top of the rubber idler , the idler is between the two reel spools and the rubber material on the idler is most likely dirty or have worn out and thus not making a positive contact with either reel spools to turn them fast, try cleaning this rubber idler with a good cleaner like alchol throughly and it might just solve the problem of fast forward or rewind also see that the idler turns smoothly the lubrication in the bearing might have dried up or the bearing itself might have been worm but this is only if the previous owner has used the machine a lot and also i provided the rubber material on the idler has not worn so thin or has not cracked in places in which case you might have to replace the rubber on the idler itself , removing the complete rubber idler is very difficult if not completely impossible! . Do this same cleaning on the capstan rubber rollers and the capstan shafts if your machine has double capstan drive , if its single then cleaning the single roller and the chrome capstan shaft which the rubber roller come in contact ,again this should help solve your problem. The wrong direction of capstan motor turning might be a bad motor control IC or some part in the capstan motor circuit i sending wrong polarity voltage to the motor making it turn in the wrong direction. A schematics or service manual for this machine should be a big help solving your problem. Also ask tom bucker, he seems to know all the answers! :). Hope this info helps you bring your deck back online. Thanks! Ali In a message dated 4/7/2008 3:26:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark8559 at hotmail.com writes: I managed to purchased a 700 II cassette deck today. The gentleman I purchased it from said he got it from the original owner who lives in desert climate and mentioned the deck has been stored and not used for a long time. I took off the cover and everything was clean with no signs of corrosion. The belts seem pretty good. It powers up and the capstans turn, the record and pause lights stay on when pressed at the same time, and the Vu meters light up. When pressing play, the transport goes into position and then right away back down. If I keep play pressed, then the play transport remains in position until I release the play button. NOTE: I did find out the the front capstan turns in the wrong direction, therefore it ate a tape. When I press rewind, the deck makes a sound as if it's rewinding, but isn't. Also when I press rewind, the deck goes into stop position two seconds later. If I continuously keep my finger on the rewind button, the light on the deck will go from rewind to stop to rewind to stop, etc...with a clicking sound. The fast forward function has the same problems as rewind. Please let me know what the problems are or could be. The cosmetic condition of the deck is very good. Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. =========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. Learn how. Hi Tech Service2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211hitech77 at earthlink.nethitech@bellsouth.net615-331-9241 _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_getintouch_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Wed Apr 9 09:06:07 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:06:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX In-Reply-To: <001901c899e5$3eaf1040$6601a8c0@asusm2n4sli> References: <8CA622415E89EA1-10A0-2CB@MBLK-M19.sysops.aol.com> <001901c899e5$3eaf1040$6601a8c0@asusm2n4sli> Message-ID: <8CA6827510E3C7E-129C-2A1F@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> Hi Dean, The G relates to a 2% tolerance.? Log onto www.farnell.com part number 952-0562 or www.rswww.com?part number 113-364 This replaces the capacitor C901 on the indicator board.? You may need to replace C902 & C903 also but try C901 first. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Dean Bauer To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 1:58 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX Greetings Nakkers, ? This discussion has brought me out of lurking to ask what would be a suitable replacement?this capacitor.? The 680ZX service manual describes it as a 4700 pF polypropylene cap rated at 100V.? Also, the description in the manual ends with a capital G like this: ? PP capacitor 4700P?? 100V? G ? Having shopped mouser.com and digi-key, I can not find a cap that matches these specs and my knowledge of electronics is quite limited.? So what would be a suitable replacement or what do I need to search for in the catalogues? ? Thanks much and all you folks are just great to have here. ? Dean ? ---- Original Message ----- From: johngipps at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com ; chalenor at msn.com Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX Hi John That's a common fault in the 680ZX. Replace defective capacitor C901 in the FL Indicator module - it's on PCB C and is 4.7nF. Regards John Gipps Message: 13 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:57:17 -0700 From: "John Chalenor" Subject: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The VU meter display works intermittently on my 680ZX; it works when the power is turned on and then stops working a few minutes latter. I was thinking about having it fixed or wondering if this is something I could do myself. Any information on the cause and possible fix would be appreciated. Thanks, John C. Planning your summer road trip? 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URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Wed Apr 9 09:18:49 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:18:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? In-Reply-To: <347104.62450.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CA682917269968-129C-2A34@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> H Ram, I have given this quite a bit of thought?lately as you know, and the ZX-9 donor transport would seem to me to give all the benefit of low W/F that the dragon transport would without adding the complexity of the 2nd DD motor and the different pinch roller assemblies that I believe the dragon has.? Creating an auto reverse Dragon / ZXL is beyond my expectation and capability but I do think the ZX-9 donor transport could work well.? The only drawback being capstan belts are still required but these are less critical than the original ZXL belts. First thing to do is locate a suitably cheap donor ZX-9, rather than play with my superb Willy Hermanised ZX-9 deck.? Once the resources are to hand I will give it a go. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:52 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? Ben, I would love to know how this one goes Ben. A former Nak tech, now a TEAC tech told me last year he did transplant the Dragon DD motor to the ZXL, but retained the ZXLs superior heads. His name is Kevin and he said he built a completely new power supply and ran the Dragon transport with this separate PS unit inside the ZXL. I had toyed with this idea for the whole of last year, but was unsuccessful in getting it implemented on one of my ZXLs. SIgh! I did it pass this by Jeff Galin of ESL and he says its definitely doable with great gains due to lower w/f numbers and better sound, but he needs to figure out the time it takes to do it and how much it would cost! Hope you are the first one to do it Ben! Good luck. Regards, Ram Believe it or not, benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: Good Call Kannan, that way everything can be set up and tested to ensure logic and control are all in sync before worrying about the power.? If all is well and the power is sorted, then a unique deck may be born.? Definitely worth serious consideration.? All I need now is a very cheap ZX-9 donor deck!! Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? Since the DD motor is running all the time from the time you switch on any Nak - external 12 V DC supply should infact reduce the overall power requirement. cam movement and feedback all similar to ZX 9 or Dragon in functionality with 1000 ZXL - so very simple to experiment the performance.this mod?befor even integrating - I would take the power ( for th DD motor)?from?donor Nak for the experiment kannan? benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: Tom, I was thinking about a ZX-9 transport with just the one DD motor.? Mechanical challenges look to be insignificant at first glance, will have a look into the power requirements first then, thanks for your suggestions.? There must be some flexibility with regard to the transformer, will consider and try to calculate the differences anticipated. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 5:42 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? Ben, Bala is also interested in this modification. I have done a bit of thinking on the subject at his urging. The major?obstacle will be? the power supply. The DD motors and associated drive circuits require more power than a DC governor motor. Each supply could be modified to deliver more current, however the over-all power increase might overheat the ZXL's power transformer. Perhaps installing LEDs in place of incandescent lamps would produce a power savings trade-off. It is very easy to modify the motor control interface, and to mechanically fit the Dragon chassis into the ZXL body. ? tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Sent: Apr 6, 2008 3:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? I'm considering the merits and evaluating the electrical & mechanical challenges of fitting a ZXL with a direct drive transport from a ZX-9.? Anticipated benefits being: Lower W/F & Capstan belt sensitivity becomes less critical. Views? 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No pictures, but here are the facts he stated upon my request: - serial no. 04179 - it has been idle 3-5 years - it does not play but there is sound from the motor - it does REW / FF though - it changes direction ok - STOP works My thought was glued up pinchroller arms but I am really off on this one. Would you recommend that I give it a try - or is the price too high for taking such a risk? I will likely have to send it to a service tech here in Denmark. Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Apr 9 13:41:44 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:41:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi 680ZX Capacitor Message-ID: <040920081141.11664.47FCAB780005F3C600002D9022155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Dean: Many times electronic parts suppliers won't list their parts with exactly the same terminology found in Nakamichi service manuals. A 4700pF capacitor is also known as a .0047uF capacitor (and sometimes a 4.7nF capacitor). I believe Digi-Key tends to use the uF rating most of the time. Do a search for that instead. I know they have this part, because I have ordered it in the past from them myself. Good Luck, *andy* From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Apr 9 20:55:51 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:55:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <874491.9070.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <874491.9070.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi bob, You missed nothing. I made a statement that was a very broad generality, so please don't get hung up on it. In the future I'll be more specific because my broad generalizations seem to have created many unintended problems and misunderstandings, creating controversy that otherwise wouldn't have arisen. Most MP3s I've heard sound like an AM broadcast, but I've heard some MP3s that sound better, a few that sound worse. The quality of MP3s varies greatly. You're fortunate to have good sounding MP3s; most of mine really do sound like AM radio broadcasts. On Apr 8, 2008, at 6:54 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: > Kermit, I have only a few MP3 files of music that I have gotten from > friends and they sound much better than AM radio broadcasts. What > did I miss here? Thanks, Bob > > Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Terry, > > > On Apr 5, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Terry Houchins wrote: > > I have several MP3's that I've downloaded and want to > > copy them to my RX-505. > > If analog is suppose to give a better sound, wouldn't > > it have to be a analog to analog copy from a record > > instead of a digital to analog copy from a computer? > > > > Terry > > > > > Well, from the perspective of a studio engineer who regularly uses > both analog and digital sound, and at the risk of starting a > firestorm ... > > Analog and digital are both capable of excellent sound; neither is > better, except in the preferences of a particular listener. > > An analog-to-analog copy from any source will have 3 dB to 6 dB > increase in noise and, typically, a doubling of distortion and > flutter- > and-wow. > > A digital-to-analog copy will have approximately a 3 dB increase in > noise, and increased distortion, plus the analog recorder's flutter- > and-wow will be introduced into the copy. > > A digital-to-digital copy done in the digital domain will NOT be a > bit- > for-bit perfect copy despite ad claims to the contrary. The copy will > have increased jitter, data errors, missing bits, and least- > significant-bit errors. The perceptibility of the degradation varies > with the format and the reproduction equipment, as well as the > listener's acuity. > > The decision as to which is best is a matter of opinion and thus the > answer to the decision is up to the listener. Nevertheless, I'm > confident to say that any MP3 is not hi-fi, and worrying over the > optimal means of copying an MP3 is unwarranted. Typical 128 kbps- > encoded MP3s exhibit about the same fidelity as medium wave (AM) radio > broadcasts. > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of > Blockbuster Total Access, No > Cost > .========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Apr 9 17:09:31 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:09:31 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? Message-ID: In a message dated 4/9/2008 5:06:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk quotes: A former Nak tech, now a TEAC tech told me last year he did transplant the Dragon DD motor to the ZXL, but retained the ZXLs superior heads. I would question Ram's claim about "ZXL heads." As far as I know, the ZX-9 heads were as good or better than the ZXL heads. I followed the "my-zxl-is-better-than-your-dragon" debate very closely last year, and as far as I can determine, the one clear claim to superiority for the ZXL was its A.B.L.E. feature, which lets you calibrate crap tapes very nicely, if you're into crap tapes. The heads for the ZX-9 were tested and selected for their superiority according to the Nakamichi literature for the deck. Jeff W **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 9 16:39:39 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:39:39 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Cassette Deck front Capstan turing in Wrong Direction Message-ID: <28877162.1207751979049.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Jesse, The clutch is mounted on a triangle bracket that allows it to float. There are two tires and two clutches, one for take up and one for fast. The first one of these I took apart I thought I could reassemble, however I learned that some parts in the wrong order make a difference! If you disassemble it, even if you have the service manual, be carefully organized as you remove each part. IIRC there are 3 steel balls inside that fall on the floor and get lost. The good news is changing the tires does not require total disassembly, and is usually all that is needed to repair a slipping clutch. Many people will number an egg carton and place each part removed in a separate numbered space, then reverse assemble by following the numbers. A sticking or slipping clutch typically can be repaired by finding the felt pad and "brushing" it with a model knife held vertically to raise or fluff the fibers and remove any powder residue. I noticed a reference to a "forward capstan". The 700 is a closed loop dual capstan, so both capstans and both pinch rollers engage in play. There is no reverse mode, in other words. You may mean "supply side" or "take up side" capstan. For on to run backwards the belt would have to be VERY long and looped around the flywheel improperly. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: jesse ruff >Sent: Apr 8, 2008 6:58 PM >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 II Cassette Deck front Capstan turing in Wrong Direction > >Hey Tom, > >"Do not fool with the RW/FF clutch unless you have to >as it is a mechanical mystery once disassembled." > >What do you mean by that? I think it's the clutch >that's the problem with my 700 II. (I've emailed you >about it before). Why is the 700 so different it >seems? Break it down a little more for us novices. >Appreciate your contributions. > >-Jesse >--- Tom Brucker wrote: > > >--------------------------------- >body{font-family: >Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: >#ffffff;color: black;} >Mark, > > The capstan belt ought to make a simple triangle >around the outside of the two capstans and one motor >pulley. Fred at marrscommunitcations has belt kits >(eBAy). Do not fool with the RW/FF clutch unless you >have to as it is a mechanical mystery once >disassembled. > > > >tom brucker > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Exstedt >Sent: Apr 7, 2008 10:57 PM >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Cassette Deck front Capstan >turing in Wrong Direction > >.hmmessage >P{margin:0px;padding:0px}body.hmmessage{FONT-SIZE: >10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma}Thank you Kimo and Ali for the >advice. However you are in for a surprise... > >First - I laid the deck on its back and squirted some >DeOxit in the memory switch which was stuck in the >'on' position. Read the directions on the can and got >100% results. The switch works fine. > >Second - After looking at the deck again with the >cover off, I noticed the belt which runs the fast >forward and rewind was missing. I put a rubber band on >and the unit and it now plays, fast forwards, and >rewinds. I got the rubber band idea from this site >thru a guy who purchased a Nak deck on Ebay. When he >removed the cover, he found out that a rubber band was >used instead of a belt. Note: All four belts are >moving on this deck. Because of this, I also found out >the three-digit tape counter works. > >Third - The front drive capstan is still moving in the >wrong direction. Therefore the deck will continue to >eat tapes. I am no electronic tech, but if someone can >give me good advice, please do so. > >Fourth - I need a belt for the motor which runs the >fast forward and rewind function. I also need a >service manual for this deck. Again, I'm asking for >advice and help from this group. Thank you. > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- >From: mark8559 at hotmail.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: FW: [naktalk] Purchased a non-working 700 II >Cassette Deck >Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:07:02 -0600 > >.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage >P{padding:0px;}.ExternalClass >body.EC_hmmessage{font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;}I >must also mention the deck has a sticky memory switch. >I squirted some contact cleaner in the switched and >pushed it in some 30 times. The switch never did pop >out. When I pulled the switch out, I could feel that >the memory switch stayed in. I guess the memory switch >is still in the 'on' position. > > >--------------------------------- >From: BOEING747600 at aol.com >Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:56:48 -0400 >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Purchased a non-working 700 II >Cassette Deck >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Hi Mark, Check the condition of rubber idler >uderneath the reel motor sitting on top of the >rubber idler , the idler is between the two reel >spools and the rubber material on the idler is most >likely dirty or have worn out and thus not making a >positive contact with either reel spools to turn them >fast, try cleaning this rubber idler with a good >cleaner like alchol throughly and it might just solve >the problem of fast forward or rewind also see that >the idler turns smoothly the lubrication in the >bearing might have dried up or the bearing itself >might have been worm but this is only if the previous >owner has used the machine a lot and also i provided >the rubber material on the idler has not worn so thin >or has not cracked in places in which case you might >have to replace the rubber on the idler itself , >removing the complete rubber idler is very difficult >if not completely impossible! > >. Do this same cleaning on the capstan rubber rollers >and the capstan shafts if your machine has double >capstan drive , if its single then cleaning the single >roller and the chrome capstan shaft which the rubber >roller come in contact ,again this should help solve >your problem. > The wrong direction of capstan motor turning might >be a bad motor control IC or some part in the capstan >motor circuit i sending wrong polarity voltage to the >motor making it turn in the wrong direction. A >schematics or service manual for this machine should >be a big help solving your problem. > >Also ask tom bucker, he seems to know all the answers! >:). Hope this info helps you bring your deck back >online. >Thanks! Ali > >In a message dated 4/7/2008 3:26:37 A.M. Eastern >Daylight Time, mark8559 at hotmail.com writes: >I managed to purchased a 700 II cassette deck today. >The gentleman I purchased it from said he got it from >the original owner who lives in desert climate and >mentioned the deck has been stored and not used for a >long time. > >I took off the cover and everything was clean with no >signs of corrosion. The belts seem pretty good. It >powers up and the capstans turn, the record and pause >lights stay on when pressed at the same time, and the >Vu meters light up. > >When pressing play, the transport goes into position >and then right away back down. If I keep play pressed, >then the play transport remains in position until I >release the play button. NOTE: I did find out the the >front capstan turns in the wrong direction, therefore >it ate a tape. > >When I press rewind, the deck makes a sound as if it's >rewinding, but isn't. Also when I press rewind, the >deck goes into stop position two seconds later. If I >continuously keep my finger on the rewind button, the >light on the deck will go from rewind to stop to >rewind to stop, etc...with a clicking sound. > >The fast forward function has the same problems as >rewind. > >Please let me know what the problems are or could be. > >The cosmetic condition of the deck is very good. > > > >--------------------------------- >Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger >now. = > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! >http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >--------------------------------- >Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel >Guides. > > >--------------------------------- >Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger >now. > >--------------------------------- >Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or >keep extra copies. Learn how. >Hi Tech Service2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN >37211hitech77 at earthlink.nethitech@bellsouth.net615-331-9241 >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. >http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 9 16:54:25 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:54:25 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] A Danish Dragon Message-ID: <25317093.1207752865104.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Per, The price is right. If the Dragon goes from play to stop, but will remoain in reverse play, the reel motion sensor lamp is burned out. The dragon has 2 sensors, or for forward and one for reverse. Replace both lamps at the same time. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Per >Sent: Apr 9, 2008 6:00 AM >To: NakTalk >Subject: [naktalk] A Danish Dragon > >Hi, > >For the first time since I became interested in Nak decks there is a Dragon >for sale in www.dba.dk The price is 1500 dkk, equivalent to 300 dollars. >The owner got it from the first owner who died. He does not know very >much. No pictures, but here are the facts he stated upon my request: > >- serial no. 04179 >- it has been idle 3-5 years >- it does not play but there is sound from the motor >- it does REW / FF though >- it changes direction ok >- STOP works > >My thought was glued up pinchroller arms but I am really off on this one. > >Would you recommend that I give it a try - or is the price too high for taking >such a risk? I will likely have to send it to a service tech here in Denmark. > >Best Regards, > >Per Borgen >Denmark > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 9 16:57:57 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:57:57 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Issues relating to a cr7 not used in ten years Message-ID: <2864077.1207753077528.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 9 16:46:42 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:46:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: FW: [naktalk] 700 II Cassette Deck front Capstan turing in Wrong Direction Message-ID: <24394048.1207752402370.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Wed Apr 9 16:52:56 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 10:52:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX Message-ID: <8CA686887CBCF82-12E0-1085@webmail-dd07.sysops.aol.com> Hi Dean and John C Since the circuit is for a level indicator, and is not part of a signal path, a polypropylene capacitor (the original type) has no advantage. I would recommend a 4.7nF 100V polyester (sold as "greencaps" in Australia). These are robust and easily obtainable, and are an ideal replacement. In general, any 4.7nF 100V film cap of suitable size will do. These days, many DMMs have a capacitance range, so if you had some 4.7nF 100V 5% or 10% caps available, you should be able to choose one close to 4.7nF with the help of such a DMM. It is a good idea to use a cap that's reasonably close to 4.7nF in value - after replacement, you can tweak the meter calibration with VR901 if you have the facilities and knowledge to do so. In my experience Ben, C901 is the one that fails often. C902 only affects the indicator display in cal mode. While I can't find an instance of C903 in the indicator module failing in my records, it would produce the same effect - so good suggestion Ben. By all means replace C903 as well, but my money is on C901. Regards John Gipps Message: 25 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 21:58:43 -0400 From: "Dean Bauer" Subject: Re: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX To: Message-ID: <001901c899e5$3eaf1040$6601a8c0 at asusm2n4sli> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Greetings Nakkers, This discussion has brought me out of lurking to ask what would be a suitable replacement this capacitor. The 680ZX service manual describes it as a 4700 pF polypropylene cap rated at 100V. Also, the description in the manual ends with a capital G like this: PP capacitor 4700P 100V G Having shopped mouser.com and digi-key, I can not find a cap that matches these specs and my knowledge of electronics is quite limited. So what would be a suitable replacement or what do I need to search for in the catalogues? Thanks much and all you folks are just great to have here. Dean ---- Original Message ----- From: johngipps at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com ; chalenor at msn.com Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX Hi John That's a common fault in the 680ZX. Replace defective capacitor C901 in the FL Indicator module - it's on PCB C and is 4.7nF. Regards John Gipps Message: 13 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:57:17 -0700 From: "John Chalenor" Subject: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The VU meter display works intermittently on my 680ZX; it works when the power is turned on and then stops working a few minutes latter. I was thinking about having it fixed or wondering if this is something I could do myself. Any information on the cause and possible fix would be appreciated. Thanks, John C. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Wed Apr 9 17:12:10 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 11:12:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Cassette Deck front Capstan turning in Wrong Direction Message-ID: <8CA686B37CBFB62-12E0-1232@webmail-dd07.sysops.aol.com> Hi Mark What an intriguing problem. The only way the capstans can turn in opposing directions, is if someone has fitted the capstan belt wrongly, and instead of going around the flywheel that is turning in the wrong direction, the belt must be passing on the inside of this flywheel, and thus driving it wrongly. Maybe the previous owner found a broken capstan belt, and thus hadn't seen its correct path. The belt in your deck may even be the wrong length. Try to correct the belt path so that it goes around both capstans - if the belt fitted in your deck isn't long enough, there are sources on eBay and elsewhere to buy a suitable belt. Regards John Gipps -----Original Message----- From: Mark Exstedt To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 3:57 pm Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Cassette Deck front Capstan turing in Wrong Direction Thank you Kimo and Ali for the advice. However you are in for a surprise...   First - I laid the deck on its back and squirted some DeOxit in the memory switch which was stuck in the 'on' position. Read the directions on the can and got 100% results. The switch works fine.   Second - After looking at the deck again with the cover off, I noticed the belt which runs the fast forward and rewind was missing. I put a rubber band on and the unit and it now plays, fast forwards, and rewinds. I got the rubber band idea from this site thru a guy who purchased a Nak deck on Ebay. When he removed the cover, he found out that a rubber band was used instead of a belt. Note: All four belts are moving on this deck. Because of this, I also found out the three-digit tape counter works.    Third - The front drive capstan is still moving in the wrong direction. Therefore the deck will continue to eat tapes. I am no electronic tech, but if someone can give me good advice, please do so.   Fourth - I need a belt for the motor which runs the fast forward and rewind function. I also need a service manual for this deck. Again, I'm asking for advice and help from this group. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Apr 9 14:41:39 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 05:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Issues relating to a cr7 not used in ten years In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <207430.32964.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Any Nak stored for that many years need real testing to ensure its functions - whether it really is in fine condition. CR 7 has automatic calibration and that function depends on correct play and record functions including head alignment / so without testing calibration and play / checking that the belt ( It iuses capstan belt ) and also horrible Cam mode motor which can develop dead spot - I will assume service is required - ask B&W at UK what would they charge for service assuming all functions work but need alignment and belt change atleast. That would be your cost of ownership. Also check whether the CR7 has Gear idler / record eqilization mod done - very difficult for the user to tell. also what would you like to pay to own a CR7 depends on your finances more than the value of CR 7 . I have seen prices vary from 400$ to 1000+ $ depending on the buyer. whether the deck has remote control? does it have its original shipping box? all this is required to assess the true value Kannan nigel vernon wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Can anyone give me some advice on what potential problems I would encounter with a CR7 that has not been used in ten years.The owner assures me the unit is in pristine condition and plays tapes ok (he has tried it out). However, I am wondering what affect standing around not being used for such a long time might bring.I assume a service will be required? (cost around £200). The owner wants £350 for it including shipping.Any advice would be gratefully received. --------------------------------- To: naktalk at naks.com --------------------------------- Have you played Fishticuffs? 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Apr 9 14:53:19 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 05:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A Danish Dragon In-Reply-To: <000d01c89a30$ea7234c0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <447590.43721.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dragon repair requires tools as well as good experience working with Dragons - particularly issues with DD motor/ tape path / tape movement are very important and need special experience to troubleshoot as NAAC can become erratic if certain measures are not taken. Dragon service manual alone is not enough to service as I found over the years working on dragons particularly. So you need to send this to B&W probably and get it serviced . Ask B&W what would they cahrge you. secondly this Dragon is one of the very early Dragon - by the serial number - 1982-83 production and can have orange cap issues and other capacitors failing. The cost of ownership can be double or more than Double of 300$ value you state - worth the trouble if you cannot find a working later year model Dragon for 600 to 650 $ range. However any purchase may need further service anytime after you purchase as the Dragon needs regular use and once in 5- 7 year service atleast unless you are teh ,ucky ones with that purchase and requires no service - difficult to tell Kannan Per wrote: Hi, For the first time since I became interested in Nak decks there is a Dragon for sale in www.dba.dk The price is 1500 dkk, equivalent to 300 dollars. The owner got it from the first owner who died. He does not know very much. No pictures, but here are the facts he stated upon my request: - serial no. 04179 - it has been idle 3-5 years - it does not play but there is sound from the motor - it does REW / FF though - it changes direction ok - STOP works My thought was glued up pinchroller arms but I am really off on this one. Would you recommend that I give it a try - or is the price too high for taking such a risk? I will likely have to send it to a service tech here in Denmark. Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lkk3110 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 9 16:11:32 2008 From: lkk3110 at hotmail.com (lee kk) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:11:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 II stopping intermitently Message-ID: Hi everyone Hope someone could help me out. Just last week acquired a 1000 II in nice looking condition. Brought it home & all playback & recording functiong well (haven't tried the mic inputs tho). The deck sure has 'presence' & looks grand (luv those meters) Was playing tapes with it over the last couple days but problems started yesterday. Yesterday was running a couple of tapes but then it started to slow with a tape. OK, guess the tape was bsd, so change another tape. Started fine but after half way thru, it started to slow again. Thought it could be a tape problem as had not played that tape for some time. Tried to FF & RW, but the deck does not respond. Hit play but the mech would not engage. Opened the deck & found the reel hubs belt had broken off. Was thinking "Oh, just a belt. This guy is already 30yrs old'. Put a new belt on &the deck responded with smooth play. But half way thru a tape, it stopped. Press play again & after a couple of mins, it stopped again. This went on a few more times. Took the deck apart to see what come be the problem. All the belts are intact ( tho the 2 small belts attached to both the reels are a litle loose. I know that one of the belts turns a wheel with a led sensor to detect rotation). Also noticed that the bid 15ohm resistor next to the big solenoid at the top was getting hot after a few mins of play. After 10 mins, it got to hot to hold & the voltage measured across it is 6.88V. Could the resistor be the fault? Is it normal for it to get hot so fast? I could be wrong but isn't suppose just to be a little warm? Is there some other issues in the boards? Thanks Lee Pls. help me out guys. Its a pity to leave this beauty on static duty... _________________________________________________________________ Easily manage multiple email accounts with Windows Live Mail! http://www.get.live.com/wl/all -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Wed Apr 9 22:03:00 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:03:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS Message-ID: <47FD20F4.2090608@marrscommunications.com> Hello to all members! I want to thank everyone who took advantage of the "Special" for Naktalk members, on the 8096-D Capstan Belt. Those orders are very much appreciated! I am however, somewhat disappointed in the number of belts sold. With the test results checking out at Spec or VERY close to Spec, I was sure I would have everyone's Support and have to order a truck load. Regardless of what you might think, I started this project at considerable cost. This belt had not been produced by my manufacturer, since his last contract with Nakamichi. He did not renew with them due to them Not making the minimum purchases they agreed upon in their contract. No, their was not a quality issue with his product! In fact, he was told by Nakamichi HIS belts "checked out better than the rest of their vendors" ! Please keep in mind, Nakamichi was trying to convince him to "stay onboard" and continue to be a vendor to them. He refused ( I got updated on this ), because this was the 2nd TIME they did not live up to their agreed upon, minimum purchases in the contract. I do not know what else I can say to make everyone feel comfortable with the FACT, this is not just another belt. This belt can be tested 1000 times and you will receive 1000 different findings. Also, I did not demand that the Direction arrow be stamped on the belt because of COST savings. The factory told me in their experience, while doing this for Nakamichi, reversing the belt, Might, Might, improve the measurements by 0.01 to 0.02 if THAT, and since the difference was so small, in his opinion was a total waste of time and energy AND also drove the cost of the belt up! Has anyone reversed my belt and checked the difference? I am Sure Nakamichi published the VERY BEST wow/flutter, distortion and frequency response results, they could POSSIBLY get. You would Think? What % of machines manufactured did NOT spec out THAT well? What were the Specs on the Worst Machines manufactured? Is YOURS one of them? Something we will never know. Look, This can go on and on and on. I am a realist! There is not one Human on this planet, that can hear the difference in .01 / .02 ABOVE or BELOW Factory Specifications. If you think you Can, you better RE think. It's like buying a $2,000, 6 gage high tech power cord for your amp. You swear you can hear the difference, but what did you do about the 14 gage ROMEX in the wall, or the fact the power lines coming into your home are not 99.8% Oxygen Free? Enough of that. I have a decision to make. I am committed to placing 1 more order for the 8096-D until the deal "locks in". Due to the shrinking U.S. Dollar, if I placed a order today, my cost will increase by 23% ! So, do I keep screwing with this, or go back to the original belt I was using in the kits? ( Which Dam near met Spec). My understanding about this Whole belt thing, was everybody wanted a belt that spec:ed out or Dam near, at a reasonable cost? Was I MISTAKEN? ( The price will NOT be reduced in the near future. Especially at this rate of sales). It's what I CALL, return on investment. Thank you again for the purchases that were made! Also, I currently have a 10 day sale on the OCO-8096-D listed on eBay for $20.00. Buy 1 or Buy 100. Best Regards to All, Fred M. From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 9 21:06:26 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <497229.96947.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Kermit. I can count the amount of MP3's I have on one hand so I'm just judging on the few songs I have. Bob Kermit Gray wrote: Hi bob, You missed nothing. I made a statement that was a very broad generality, so please don't get hung up on it. In the future I'll be more specific because my broad generalizations seem to have created many unintended problems and misunderstandings, creating controversy that otherwise wouldn't have arisen. Most MP3s I've heard sound like an AM broadcast, but I've heard some MP3s that sound better, a few that sound worse. The quality of MP3s varies greatly. You're fortunate to have good sounding MP3s; most of mine really do sound like AM radio broadcasts. On Apr 8, 2008, at 6:54 PM, Bob Naylor wrote: Kermit, I have only a few MP3 files of music that I have gotten from friends and they sound much better than AM radio broadcasts. What did I miss here? Thanks, Bob Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Terry, On Apr 5, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Terry Houchins wrote: > I have several MP3's that I've downloaded and want to > copy them to my RX-505. > If analog is suppose to give a better sound, wouldn't > it have to be a analog to analog copy from a record > instead of a digital to analog copy from a computer? > > Terry > Well, from the perspective of a studio engineer who regularly uses both analog and digital sound, and at the risk of starting a firestorm ... Analog and digital are both capable of excellent sound; neither is better, except in the preferences of a particular listener. An analog-to-analog copy from any source will have 3 dB to 6 dB increase in noise and, typically, a doubling of distortion and flutter- and-wow. A digital-to-analog copy will have approximately a 3 dB increase in noise, and increased distortion, plus the analog recorder's flutter- and-wow will be introduced into the copy. A digital-to-digital copy done in the digital domain will NOT be a bit- for-bit perfect copy despite ad claims to the contrary. The copy will have increased jitter, data errors, missing bits, and least- significant-bit errors. The perceptibility of the degradation varies with the format and the reproduction equipment, as well as the listener's acuity. The decision as to which is best is a matter of opinion and thus the answer to the decision is up to the listener. Nevertheless, I'm confident to say that any MP3 is not hi-fi, and worrying over the optimal means of copying an MP3 is unwarranted. Typical 128 kbps- encoded MP3s exhibit about the same fidelity as medium wave (AM) radio broadcasts. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- You rock. 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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Apr 9 23:18:26 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:18:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question Message-ID: <1F460BFB-F8F0-41A6-BD85-833AB004558D@alumni.caltech.edu> >> Let me ask you a question I once asked the Studer rep -- and never >> really understood his answer. >> >> At one time I leased a Studer D827 DASH recorder. One of its features >> was that you could make a backup copy of a tape (a "clone," in >> Studer- >> speak) by transferring the data to another Studer D827 in the digital >> domain without using that A/D/A convertors. My understanding was that >> this was the same as copying a file on a computer disc. Yet, the >> Studer rep cautioned that if you made a copy of a copy of a copy this >> way .. an other words tape A to Tape B, then Tape B to tape C, then >> Tape C to tape D, you would find a 6 dB increase in the signal-to- >> noise ratio once tape D was converted back to analog (compared to >> Tape >> A.) in other words, increased errors, noise and distortion show up in >> the 4th generation copy of a digital audio file. I asked if it was >> the >> same with computer-based PCM audio or other tape formats, and the >> Studer rep stated that, according to Willi Studer, the answer is >> "Yes." >> >> So, maybe mistakenly, I've ensured that my digital recordings never >> make it to the 4th generation copy, even if I'm working with a >> computer DAW. Only in the 4th generation and not earlier? That really doesn't make sense. If it increased some per copy (same as analog but with maybe a lot smaller amounts) I might be able to wave hands fast enough, but not for a discontinuous large jump at #4, at least not without more information (and a lot more understanding than I have). The issue I was referring to with extraction as I understand it (which isn't a whole lot) has more to do with how the bits are actually encoded on a CD, so I am guessing a fairly close read at the Red Book standard is the best bet at yielding the answer; all I recall was that extracting the digital audio off of the CD was a lot more complicated than one would think. However, that doesn't directly explain your tape issue. But it probably requires similar understanding and (correct me if I'm wrong) the format the bits are stored on the tape is probably even less standardized than red-book CD--not having used a digital recorder in general or this one specifically--the first question I'd ask is "can you take the tape written on this machine and read it correctly on another machine of similar capabilities (same tape size etc.) but different manufacturer and get the right info off"? If the answer to that is "no" then it I would guess it is related to the way they actually encode bits onto the tape and read them off, even before converting the bit stream to analog. But that's just my guessing between the lines.-kby >> >> Any ideas about what Studer was talking about? >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Apr 10 00:38:31 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:38:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <1F460BFB-F8F0-41A6-BD85-833AB004558D@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <1F460BFB-F8F0-41A6-BD85-833AB004558D@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <78B00D72-4B02-4227-B110-D2EA5051826C@kvglabs.com> Thanks, Kimo, you have some good observations. Studer's admonition that it wasn't until the fourth generation that 6 db increase in s/ ratio occurred never made sense to me, but I figured that the manufacturer should know their machine. Your ideas make much more sense, though. I think the tapes recorded with the Studer could playback on a Sony PCM3324 or PCM3348, but I had trouble playing back tapes recorded by a Sony PCM-3324 on the Studer. You had to know what format the tape you made on the Studer because it could record as a 16-bit 48-track recorder or 24-bit 24-track recorder. I leased one for about a year, 1994. I liked much better than the previous digital multitrack I leased, the Sony PCM-3324, but by 1995 I wasn't doing enough recording to justify keeping the expensive Studer. Weirdly, 24-track DASH machines recorded on half of the tape's width and could be played on the 48-track machines with no modifications. But 48-track tapes could be played on a 24-track machine but you could access only the first 24 tracks. The Studer got it 24 bits, if I recall correctly, by using all 48 tracks but using two tracks per recorded channel, so if you did a 24-track tape it would play on the Sony PCM-3348 and PCM-3324 but at lower resolution. DASH format tapes were a headache! I did try a Mitsubishi X-400 16-track, then found that its ProDigi format was totally incompatible with my DASH tapes. By then, though, I no longer needed any digital multitrack, and had gone back to using only my Teac, Studer A80 and Scully 280B analog multitrack recorders. In 1999 I sold the Studer A80, and in 2001 I sold the Teac and Scully decks and was persuaded to replace them with a software DAW multitrack (Logic Audio running on a Macintosh). These sales reflect my increasingly-reduced need for multitrack recording. I have regretted the purchase of the software DAW ever since. Fortunately a dear friend gave me a Teac A3440 to replace the one I sold. Although I still have the software DAW multitrack, it now sits under a desk, unused, collecting dust. I truly, vehemently, dislike recording with software DAWs and would rather have bamboo shoots stuck under my fingernails than ever have to do another session with one again! If I ever again need to do a serious multitrack recording I will buy a good analog tape transport, then build my own recording and reproduce electronics for it. On Apr 9, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Kimo B. Yap wrote: >>> At one time I leased a Studer D827 DASH recorder. One of its >>> features >>> was that you could make a backup copy of a tape (a "clone," in >>> Studer- >>> speak) by transferring the data to another Studer D827 in the >>> digital >>> domain without using that A/D/A convertors. My understanding was >>> that >>> this was the same as copying a file on a computer disc. Yet, the >>> Studer rep cautioned that if you made a copy of a copy of a copy >>> this >>> way .. an other words tape A to Tape B, then Tape B to tape C, then >>> Tape C to tape D, you would find a 6 dB increase in the signal-to- >>> noise ratio once tape D was converted back to analog (compared to >>> Tape >>> A.) in other words, increased errors, noise and distortion show up >>> in >>> the 4th generation copy of a digital audio file. I asked if it was >>> the >>> same with computer-based PCM audio or other tape formats, and the >>> Studer rep stated that, according to Willi Studer, the answer is >>> "Yes." >>> >>> So, maybe mistakenly, I've ensured that my digital recordings never >>> make it to the 4th generation copy, even if I'm working with a >>> computer DAW. > > Only in the 4th generation and not earlier? That really doesn't make > sense. If it increased some per copy > (same as analog but with maybe a lot smaller amounts) I might be > able to wave hands fast enough, but > not for a discontinuous large jump at #4, at least not without more > information (and a lot more understanding > than I have). > > The issue I was referring to with extraction as I understand it > (which isn't a whole lot) has more to do > with how the bits are actually encoded on a CD, so I am guessing a > fairly close read at the Red Book standard > is the best bet at yielding the answer; all I recall was that > extracting the digital audio off of the CD was a lot more > complicated than one would think. However, that doesn't directly > explain your tape issue. But it probably requires > similar understanding and (correct me if I'm wrong) the format the > bits are stored on the tape is probably even > less standardized than red-book CD--not having used a digital > recorder in general or this one specifically--the first > question I'd ask is "can you take the tape written on this machine > and read it correctly on another machine of > similar capabilities (same tape size etc.) but different > manufacturer and get the right info off"? If the answer to > that is "no" then it I would guess it is related to the way they > actually encode bits onto the tape and read them off, > even before converting the bit stream to analog. But that's just my > guessing between the lines.-kby >>> -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From lenaw at flash.net Wed Apr 9 23:30:07 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <984000.11705.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff: The question is whether Nak has specifically selected out heads for uses in ZXL even though the heads in general are the same among the ZXL and ZX9 products line. I guess the ZX7 also has the same heads. The heads in the ZXL Limited are definitely selected out as it has been clearly stated in Nak documents related to ZXL Limited. Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/9/2008 5:06:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk quotes: A former Nak tech, now a TEAC tech told me last year he did transplant the Dragon DD motor to the ZXL, but retained the ZXLs superior heads. I would question Ram's claim about "ZXL heads." As far as I know, the ZX-9 heads were as good or better than the ZXL heads. I followed the "my-zxl-is-better-than-your-dragon" debate very closely last year, and as far as I can determine, the one clear claim to superiority for the ZXL was its A.B.L.E. feature, which lets you calibrate crap tapes very nicely, if you're into crap tapes. The heads for the ZX-9 were tested and selected for their superiority according to the Nakamichi literature for the deck. Jeff W --------------------------------- Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Wed Apr 9 23:29:37 2008 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 23:29:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] A Danish Dragon References: <447590.43721.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003501c89a89$00b5ca50$b207010a@hurtignok> Kannan, thanks a lot your detailed information. I think I'll stay away from this one and concentrate on bringning my other decks up to date. Thanks, Per Kannan wrote: Dragon repair requires tools as well as good experience working with Dragons - particularly issues with DD motor/ tape path / tape movement are very important and need special experience to troubleshoot as NAAC can become erratic if certain measures are not taken. Dragon service manual alone is not enough to service as I found over the years working on dragons particularly. So you need to send this to B&W probably and get it serviced Ask B&W what would they cahrge you. secondly this Dragon is one of the very early Dragon - by the serial number - 1982-83 production and can have orange cap issues and other capacitors failing. The cost of ownership can be double or more than Double of 300$ value you state - worth the trouble if you cannot find a working later year model Dragon for 600 to 650 $ range. However any purchase may need further service anytime after you purchase as the Dragon needs regular use and once in 5- 7 year service atleast unless you are teh ,ucky ones with that purchase and requires no service - difficult to tell From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Apr 9 23:45:20 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:45:20 EDT Subject: FW: [naktalk] 700 II Cassette Deck front Capstan turing in Wrong Direction Message-ID: In a message dated 4/9/2008 12:14:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mark8559 at hotmail.com writes: That's because this is the wrong belt as it is pehaps only 1/16" in diameter. I believe this deck uses a wide flat belt. Perhaps at least 3/16" wide. I'll be ordering the belts tomorrow. Reminds me of the BX-125 I bought on eBay that actually had a rubber band for a drive belt - I kid you not. Jeff W **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Apr 9 23:48:04 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:48:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS In-Reply-To: <47FD20F4.2090608@marrscommunications.com> References: <47FD20F4.2090608@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910804091448j4ce05d4bt8ab4f5b0d4837b19@mail.gmail.com> Hi Fred, I'll eventually buy one or two, probably in a few weeks along with a belt kit for my 480. At least, the eBay special should be more interesting for those who couldn't afford 10 belts. 2008/4/9, Marrs Communications : > > Hello to all members! > > I want to thank everyone who took advantage of the "Special" for Naktalk > members, on the 8096-D Capstan Belt. Those orders are very much appreciated! > I am however, somewhat disappointed in the number of belts sold. With the > test results checking out at Spec or VERY close to Spec, I was sure I would > have everyone's Support and have to order a truck load. Regardless of what > you might think, I started this project at considerable cost. This belt had > not been produced by my manufacturer, since his last contract with > Nakamichi. He did not renew with them due to them Not making the minimum > purchases they agreed upon in their contract. No, their was not a quality > issue with his product! In fact, he was told by Nakamichi HIS belts > "checked out better than the rest of their vendors" ! Please keep in mind, > Nakamichi was trying to convince him to "stay onboard" and continue to be a > vendor to them. He refused ( I got updated on this ), because this was the > 2nd TIME they did not live up to their agreed upon, minimum purchases in > the contract. I do not know what else I can say to make everyone feel > comfortable with the FACT, this is not just another belt. This belt can be > tested 1000 times and you will receive 1000 different findings. Also, I did > not demand that the Direction arrow be stamped on the belt because of COST > savings. The factory told me in their experience, while doing this for > Nakamichi, reversing the belt, Might, Might, improve the measurements by > 0.01 to 0.02 if THAT, and since the difference was so small, in his > opinion was a total waste of time and energy AND also drove the cost of the > belt up! Has anyone reversed my belt and checked the difference? I am Sure > Nakamichi published the VERY BEST wow/flutter, distortion and frequency > response results, they could POSSIBLY get. You would Think? What % of > machines manufactured did NOT spec out THAT well? What were the Specs on the > Worst Machines manufactured? Is YOURS one of them? Something we will never > know. Look, This can go on and on and on. I am a realist! There is not one > Human on this planet, that can hear the difference in .01 / .02 ABOVE or > BELOW Factory Specifications. If you think you Can, you better RE think. > It's like buying a $2,000, 6 gage high tech power cord for your amp. You > swear you can hear the difference, but what did you do about the 14 gage > ROMEX in the wall, or the fact the power lines coming into your home are > not 99.8% Oxygen Free? Enough of that. I have a decision to make. I am > committed to placing 1 more order for the 8096-D until the deal "locks in". > Due to the shrinking U.S. Dollar, if I placed a order today, my cost will > increase by 23% ! So, do I keep screwing with this, or go back to the > original belt I was using in the kits? ( Which Dam near met Spec). My > understanding about this Whole belt thing, was everybody wanted a belt that > spec:ed out or Dam near, at a reasonable cost? Was I MISTAKEN? ( The price > will NOT be reduced in the near future. Especially at this rate of sales). > It's what I CALL, return on investment. Thank you again for the purchases > that were made! Also, I currently have a 10 day sale on the OCO-8096-D > listed on eBay for $20.00. Buy 1 or Buy 100. Best Regards to All, Fred M. > > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 10 00:43:03 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:43:03 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] A Danish Dragon Message-ID: <11161975.1207780983132.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 10 00:46:04 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:46:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <78B00D72-4B02-4227-B110-D2EA5051826C@kvglabs.com> References: <1F460BFB-F8F0-41A6-BD85-833AB004558D@alumni.caltech.edu> <78B00D72-4B02-4227-B110-D2EA5051826C@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910804091546g2c476228kcf2369818591f9ea@mail.gmail.com> Hi Kermit, is there's really some noise appearing in the 4th generation, it might be a copy protection flag. Some CD copy protection scheme work similarly, you can only do backups of the original disc, you can't then decide to copy a CD-R made from it. Antoine 2008/4/9, Kermit Gray : > > Thanks, Kimo, you have some good observations. Studer's admonition that > it wasn't until the fourth generation that 6 db increase in s/ ratio > occurred never made sense to me, but I figured that the manufacturer should > know their machine. Your ideas make much more sense, though. > I think the tapes recorded with the Studer could playback on a Sony > PCM3324 or PCM3348, but I had trouble playing back tapes recorded by a Sony > PCM-3324 on the Studer. You had to know what format the tape you made on the > Studer because it could record as a 16-bit 48-track recorder or 24-bit > 24-track recorder. I leased one for about a year, 1994. I liked much better > than the previous digital multitrack I leased, the Sony PCM-3324, but by > 1995 I wasn't doing enough recording to justify keeping the expensive > Studer. Weirdly, 24-track DASH machines recorded on half of the tape's width > and could be played on the 48-track machines with no modifications. But > 48-track tapes could be played on a 24-track machine but you could access > only the first 24 tracks. The Studer got it 24 bits, if I recall correctly, > by using all 48 tracks but using two tracks per recorded channel, so if you > did a 24-track tape it would play on the Sony PCM-3348 and PCM-3324 but at > lower resolution. DASH format tapes were a headache! > > I did try a Mitsubishi X-400 16-track, then found that its ProDigi format > was totally incompatible with my DASH tapes. By then, though, I no longer > needed any digital multitrack, and had gone back to using only my Teac, > Studer A80 and Scully 280B analog multitrack recorders. In 1999 I sold the > Studer A80, and in 2001 I sold the Teac and Scully decks and was persuaded > to replace them with a software DAW multitrack (Logic Audio running on a > Macintosh). These sales reflect my increasingly-reduced need for multitrack > recording. > > I have regretted the purchase of the software DAW ever since. Fortunately > a dear friend gave me a Teac A3440 to replace the one I sold. Although I > still have the software DAW multitrack, it now sits under a desk, unused, > collecting dust. I truly, vehemently, dislike recording with software DAWs > and would rather have bamboo shoots stuck under my fingernails than ever > have to do another session with one again! > > If I ever again need to do a serious multitrack recording I will buy a > good analog tape transport, then build my own recording and reproduce > electronics for it. > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 10 00:49:27 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:49:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] A Danish Dragon Message-ID: <23016473.1207781367128.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Per, $270 to 300 US is about right for a Dragon parts machine! Any idea what shipping to the US is today? Wouter needs a full set of buttons and knobs. Something is strange about his description. The tape has to be moving in play mode, or it will automatically go to stop. Could the tape be moving but it has no sound? tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Per >Sent: Apr 9, 2008 4:30 PM >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Danish Dragon > >Thanks, Tom. If I understand the seller conrrectly the tape does not move >at all when PLAY is pressed but the motor keeps spinning (w/sound) until >STOP is activated. As I have enough tapedecks to investigate already ;-) >when health allows, I thinks I¨ll stay away from this one. Thanks, Per > >Tom wrote: > >Per, >The price is right. If the Dragon goes from play to stop, but will remoain >in reverse play, the reel motion sensor lamp is burned out. The dragon has >2 sensors, or for forward and one for reverse. Replace both lamps at the >same time. > Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 02:02:23 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <123728.74494.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/9/2008 5:06:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk quotes: A former Nak tech, now a TEAC tech told me last year he did transplant the Dragon DD motor to the ZXL, but retained the ZXLs superior heads. I would question Ram's claim about "ZXL heads." As far as I know, the ZX-9 heads were as good or better than the ZXL heads. I followed the "my-zxl-is-better-than-your-dragon" debate very closely last year, and as far as I can determine, the one clear claim to superiority for the ZXL was its A.B.L.E. feature, which lets you calibrate crap tapes very nicely, if you're into crap tapes. The heads for the ZX-9 were tested and selected for their superiority according to the Nakamichi literature for the deck. Jeff W --------------------------------- Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 02:06:29 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <288911.77383.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff, With respect to you, I have not claimed this ZXL superiority at all. In fact Jeff Galin of ESL stated this fact to me last week when I was discussing this with him about the possibility of a transport swap on the ZXL. He should know much more than me. I am just a collector and a listener and absolutely have no credentials to make any claims about the physics and magnetics of cassette decks. Respectfully, Ram Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/9/2008 5:06:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk quotes: A former Nak tech, now a TEAC tech told me last year he did transplant the Dragon DD motor to the ZXL, but retained the ZXLs superior heads. I would question Ram's claim about "ZXL heads." As far as I know, the ZX-9 heads were as good or better than the ZXL heads. I followed the "my-zxl-is-better-than-your-dragon" debate very closely last year, and as far as I can determine, the one clear claim to superiority for the ZXL was its A.B.L.E. feature, which lets you calibrate crap tapes very nicely, if you're into crap tapes. The heads for the ZX-9 were tested and selected for their superiority according to the Nakamichi literature for the deck. Jeff W --------------------------------- Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Thu Apr 10 09:25:45 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:25:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay Message-ID: <8CA68F339C6501A-1670-71B@webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> Hi NakTalkers I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the group - I'll say sorry in advance. Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was attracted to a CR-7E on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. This was because the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all accounts looked difficult to deal with - so I figured there wouldn't be a lot of bidding. Added to this was the fact that the unit was in Canada and a 240V version - so a lot of the potential market for a CR-7 or CR-7A wouldn't have been interested. I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for $214US. The seller wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - a bit high, but fair enough. He would only accept an international money order, and this was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if there's any common sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't break, please tell me so I'll know next time. He acknowledged receipt of the $364US (naturally there were other costs - the money order, and an express courier service) - and advised on Xmas Eve that the item had been dispatched with a ten week expected delivery - and that there was no tracking. By the time it was obvious that the item had never been despatched, it was also too late to file a complaint with eBay. Western Union weren't interested - they didn't bother replying to a request for further information. In the last month or so, I have been given the names and email addresses of five other "victims" of this guy - so there's no doubt in my mind that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller on eBay. So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I hope others can learn something from it as well. I'd like to share the small amount of information I have on this guy, in the hope that it might be helpful to others, and also in the hope that someone might be able to give me more information about him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone at all. Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact information for the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd... Contact Information for rare_films_dvd : User ID: ???rare_films_dvd Name:???bayati kosro Company: ??? City:???outremont State/Territory:???QC Country:???Canada Phone:???(307) 200-4501 Registered Since:???Monday, Jan 30, 2006?10:27:11 PST His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for the Western Union Money Order to be made out to "Cyrus" - the signature that came back was "Cyrus Kane" So... If you know anything about him, please let me know. If you are buying anything from him - don't. If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!! And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction. Regards John Gipps -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Thu Apr 10 13:50:47 2008 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:50:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] A Danish Dragon References: <23016473.1207781367128.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001a01c89b01$2049d000$b207010a@hurtignok> Tom, I'll check how much shipping will amount to. I might be able to make the seller go a bit lower, too. In case I buy it, I'll check out the deck and report to you through this forum - taking the risk on my part before I eventually pass it on to you. If it runs like a dream I might keep it, though ;-) Per Tom wrote: Per, $270 to 300 US is about right for a Dragon parts machine! Any idea what shipping to the US is today? Wouter needs a full set of buttons and knobs. Something is strange about his description. The tape has to be moving in play mode, or it will automatically go to stop. Could the tape be moving but it has no sound? From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Apr 10 14:20:07 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:20:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Issues relating to a cr7 not used in ten years Message-ID: <041020081220.24802.47FE05F7000E5368000060E222165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Nigel: There are a couple of potential problem areas that can present themselves on the CR-7, particularly if the deck has been idle for that long. 1) The idler is a motor-driven wheel or gear that spins the tape hubs. This deck will have one of two possible idler types. If it has the gear idler, there are no worries. A gear idler never wears out. But if it has the rubber tire idler, it will more than likely need to be refreshed. Over time, the rubber tire idlers in these decks can wear out or harden, causing the idler to lose the traction it needs. Do you know the serial number of this deck? If it is greater than A130-11000, then it has the gear idler and you are not to worry. (NOTE: If the serial number is lower than that, it still may have a gear idler, as it could have been upgraded sometime in its life if it has ever gone in for service.) 2) The control mechanism controls the tape transport functions (RW, FF, Play, etc.). It is also motor-driven. The control mechanism on the CR-7 (and decks with similar tape transports) is VERY prone to getting "stuck" because the control motor has some internal dirt, carbon buildup, or oxidation on its internal electrical contacts. The three leaf switches that the control motor activates can also have the same problems and cause the same "stuck" situation. Fortunately, it is fairly easy to clean the motor and these switches if you are technically inclined and have the right tools. 3) The capstan belt on the CR-7 helps synchronize the action between the two capstans which move the tape along during playback and recording. As with any deck that has been used quite a lot OR has been sitting idle for an extended period, the capstan belt may need to be changed. This is also fairly easy if you are technically inclined. 4) There is a small belt called a back-tension belt. It gently restricts the action of the supply tape hub (the one on the left) during playback/recording. The supply hub's action needs to be restricted during playback/recording so that proper tape tension across the heads can be maintained. There is a possibility that this belt may need to be changed, but it is more than likely OK. (NOTE: This belt is visible when accessing the idler mechanism.) I know this sounds like a lot, but these are the four main areas to be mindful of when purchasing a CR-7, or any other Nakamichi deck with a similar tape transport. None of these problem areas are difficult to remedy, should the need arise. If the CR-7 truly is in "pristine" condition, then the price you have been quoted is extremely good, particularly in the UK, where prices for classic Nakamichi decks seem to be sky-high. I would urge you to get this deck. If you have never heard a CR-7, you are in for some stunning performance. Well worth the price of admission, I would say! P.S.: I can supply the idler tire (if your deck uses one) and any belts it may need. Just let me know! Good Luck, and feel free to ask me any further questions, if you have them! *andy* From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 10 17:16:00 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <881077.29282.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff, Were the heads for the ZX9 and ZX7 the same? Sorry if this is a repeat question. Bob N Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/9/2008 5:06:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk quotes: A former Nak tech, now a TEAC tech told me last year he did transplant the Dragon DD motor to the ZXL, but retained the ZXLs superior heads. I would question Ram's claim about "ZXL heads." As far as I know, the ZX-9 heads were as good or better than the ZXL heads. I followed the "my-zxl-is-better-than-your-dragon" debate very closely last year, and as far as I can determine, the one clear claim to superiority for the ZXL was its A.B.L.E. feature, which lets you calibrate crap tapes very nicely, if you're into crap tapes. The heads for the ZX-9 were tested and selected for their superiority according to the Nakamichi literature for the deck. Jeff W --------------------------------- Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Apr 10 22:05:21 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:05:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Yet another blank tape question.... In-Reply-To: <29A666D2-8C9D-4CB8-B09D-A7577567E7B2@kvglabs.com> References: <29A666D2-8C9D-4CB8-B09D-A7577567E7B2@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910804101305m67fb083jb9c742f61c143cf6@mail.gmail.com> Hi Kermit, that's one of the tapes from national audio, right? Their chrome tapes are available in SKMA CrO2 as well, not just Chrome/Cobalt. Do you know if they can provide samples? 2008/4/3, Kermit Gray : > Is anyone familiar with a bulk blank cassette called " SKMA UCX/Cobalt > Chrome?" Recently, when I've needed a quantity of blank chrome bias tapes > recently I've been using Maxell MS Studio Pro XLII. It would be nice to find > a better quality chrome bias tape than Saehan's offerings. I just do not > like Saehan tapes; they seem lacking in overall clarity. > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Thu Apr 10 22:49:06 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:49:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon back from service Message-ID: Hi, I got my Dragon back from service here in NYC. Somehow, I don't feel right about the deck. Is there a way to see if the NACC has been disabled? The faint tick tick tick is now gone (the tech said he replaced idler tire) but upon playing a tape, the NACC blinks and then pauses then blinks again. Then the light stops blinking. Since I don't have anything to compare to, how quiet is the Dragon transport? If I put my ear next to the deck, I hear a quiet hiss when in play or record. Is this normal? Thanks to the Nak experts here on this forum for your kind assistance. Gene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Thu Apr 10 23:10:33 2008 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:10:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] No response to my emails, so I will try them here... Message-ID: Tom, I sent the information below a couple of times without response... I will try here ... Rick RE: UPS claim‏ From: RICHARD FIne (rich_121 at msn.com) Sent: Tue 4/08/08 10:09 AM To: hitech at bellsouth.net Tom,Resending email below... Rick From: rich_121 at msn.comTo: hitech at bellsouth.netSubject: RE: UPS claimDate: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 11:08:28 -0700 Photos Received for UPS Package 1Z3099330310088840‏ From: pictures at ups.com You may not know this sender.Mark as safe|Mark as unsafe Sent: Thu 3/27/08 9:40 AM To: RICH_121 at MSN.COM Dear RICHARD FINE, Thank you for sending us the photos of the damaged package. We will now inspect the package and notify your shipper of the results. We will contact the shipper by the end of the next business day. If you are the receiver, please stay in contact with your shipper for additional information regarding the final disposition of the claim.Thank you for your assistance in this matter. Harold Lee UPS Damage Exception Group 1-800-651-2352 ext. 4592 Have you heard anything from UPS on your end? Have a great weekend, Rick ... From: hitech at bellsouth.netTo: rich_121 at msn.comSubject: RE:UPS claimDate: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:39:33 -0600 Richard, I got the UPS claim form, but haven't seen the deck. Aren't they supposed to ship it here? Did they inspect it there at your house? I could file for your cost for the deck if you would rather not repair that Dragon. tom Tom Brucker csmHi Tech Service2934 Nolensville Rd.Nashville, TN 37211615-331-9241hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message-----From: RICHARD FIne [mailto:rich_121 at msn.com]Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:19 PMTo: hitech at bellsouth.netSubject: RE: When will you ship the Dragon?Complete cassette door assembly "kicked in" shipping boxes not damaged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From: hitech at bellsouth.netTo: rich_121 at msn.comSubject: RE: When will you ship the Dragon?Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:26:23 -0600 Richard, tracking is 1z 309 933 03 1008 884 0. I had to find a second box to prevent another round of shipping damage! let me know when you get it. It shipped UPS ground on the 13th. Tom Brucker csmHi Tech Service2934 Nolensville Rd.Nashville, TN 37211615-331-9241hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message-----From: RICHARD FIne [mailto:rich_121 at msn.com]Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:22 AMTo: hitech at bellsouth.netSubject: When will you ship the Dragon?Tom,It has been 13 days since you called me and said that the work needed on the Dragon was finished, and that you were shipping it.I haven't recieved neither the Dragon or a tracking number? Richard Fine Want to race through your inbox even faster? Try the full version of Qwest Mail. (It's free, too.) © 2006 Microsoft Privacy Legal Help Central Account Feedback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Apr 11 06:02:57 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:02:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] A Danish Dragon Message-ID: Per, Tell him to send you a pic of the machine with it in the play mode see if the vu meters are moving the light in the play button lit, and also tell him to send you the pic of the back of the machine with the serial number. $300 is a great deal for this machine if no one has messed with its circuits and is in 100 percent original condition. Hope this helps you in deciding. The only thing really to worry about would be the belt inside this machine as belts become lose over the years and cause all kinds of performance problems! Ali In a message dated 4/9/2008 8:10:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pdb at mit.bolignet.dk writes: Hi, For the first time since I became interested in Nak decks there is a Dragon for sale in www.dba.dk The price is 1500 dkk, equivalent to 300 dollars. The owner got it from the first owner who died. He does not know very much. No pictures, but here are the facts he stated upon my request: - serial no. 04179 - it has been idle 3-5 years - it does not play but there is sound from the motor - it does REW / FF though - it changes direction ok - STOP works My thought was glued up pinchroller arms but I am really off on this one. Would you recommend that I give it a try - or is the price too high for taking such a risk? I will likely have to send it to a service tech here in Denmark. Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Planning your summer road trip? 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The fequency responses quoted in the literature relates to the heads and electronics so who knows what the heads themselves are capable of?? What about the "Limited" heads which were also better than the Std ZXL, anyone have a spare set?! The Auto A.B.L.E. is indeed a special function and utilising 4 frequencies to achieve the optimum response is unique.? What that means to the ear is hard to articulate as It is impossible for me to produce any facts or measurements or compare a ZXL without it.? Certainly recording with the settings for tape A on Tape B does sound less detailed so It is obviously important.? Most high end decks have some of these adjustments in a mix of manual and auto formats but no other deck had all 4 that I know of.? Anyway, it does make a difference to all tape types, and is very convenient and quick to use.? This function must absolutely remain in the final product.? I also considered the possibility of Auto A.B.L.E with a single direction Dragon transport with N.A.A.C also just for playback but this is mind blowing. Thanks for your thoughts Jeff, Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 3:09 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? In a message dated 4/9/2008 5:06:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk quotes: A former Nak tech, now a TEAC tech told me last year he did transplant the Dragon DD motor to the ZXL, but retained the ZXLs superior heads. I would question Ram's claim about "ZXL heads."??As far as I know, the ZX-9 heads were as good or better than the ZXL heads.? I followed the "my-zxl-is-better-than-your-dragon" debate very closely last year, and as far as I can determine, the one clear claim to superiority for the ZXL was its? A.B.L.E. feature, which lets you calibrate crap tapes very nicely, if you're into crap tapes.? The heads for the ZX-9 were tested and selected for their superiority according to the Nakamichi literature for the deck. ? Jeff W Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Thu Apr 10 00:55:34 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:55:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS In-Reply-To: <47FD20F4.2090608@marrscommunications.com> References: <47FD20F4.2090608@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <8CA68ABF41E8455-1490-B79@webmail-md16.sysops.aol.com> Hi Fred, You may be right about the variation in W/F vs the claimed, but I would be surprised if the actual performance of the high end decks didn't have to be positively released to a minimum specification, or maybe that's just cloud cookoo land and what I would want to have happened.? Anyway, all I can do is use what I have and compare the 8096D when it arrives with current NOS 8096C and see what the results are with my T-100.? Testing the belt in both directions is a good idea and I will also do that to see what the difference is.? If happy with the results, I would certainly order more and store away for the future as I have 6 decks that need it and hopefully a few more will be acquired too. Best Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Marrs Communications To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 8:03 am Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS Hello to all members!? ? I want to thank everyone who took advantage of the "Special" for Naktalk members, on the 8096-D Capstan Belt. Those orders are very much appreciated! I am however, somewhat disappointed in the number of belts sold. With the test results checking out at Spec or VERY close to Spec, I was sure I would have everyone's Support and have to order a truck load. Regardless of what you might think, I started this project at considerable cost. This belt had not been produced by my manufacturer, since his last contract with Nakamichi. He did not renew with them due to them Not making the minimum purchases they agreed upon in their contract. No, their was not a quality issue with his product! In fact, he was told by Nakamichi HIS belts "checked out better than the rest of their vendors" ! Please keep in mind, Nakamichi was trying to convince him to "stay onboard" and continue to be a vendor to them. He refused ( I got updated on this ), because this was the 2nd TIME they did not live up to their agreed upon, minimum purchases in the contract. I do not know what else I can say to make everyone feel comfortable with the FACT, this is not just another belt. This belt can be tested 1000 times and you will receive 1000 different findings. Also, I did not demand that the Direction arrow be stamped on the belt because of COST savings. The factory told me in their experience, while doing this for Nakamichi, reversing the belt, Might, Might, improve the measurements by 0.01 to 0.02 if THAT, and since the difference was so small, in his opinion was a total waste of time and energy AND also drove the cost of the belt up! Has anyone reversed my belt and checked the difference? I am Sure Nakamichi published the VERY BEST wow/flutter, distortion and frequency response results, they could POSSIBLY get. You would Think? What % of machines manufactured did NOT spec out THAT well? What were the Specs on the Worst Machines manufactured? Is YOURS one of them? Something we will never know. Look, This can go on and on and on. I am a realist! Ther e is not one Human on this planet, that can hear the difference in .01 / .02 ABOVE or BELOW Factory Specifications. If you think you Can, you better RE think. It's like buying a $2,000, 6 gage high tech power cord for your amp. You swear you can hear the difference, but what did you do about the 14 gage ROMEX in the wall, or the fact the power lines coming into your home are not 99.8% Oxygen Free? Enough of that. I have a decision to make. I am committed to placing 1 more order for the 8096-D until the deal "locks in". Due to the shrinking U.S. Dollar, if I placed a order today, my cost will increase by 23% ! So, do I keep screwing with this, or go back to the original belt I was using in the kits? ( Which Dam near met Spec). My understanding about this Whole belt thing, was everybody wanted a belt that spec:ed out or Dam near, at a reasonable cost? Was I MISTAKEN? ( The price will NOT be reduced in the near future. Especially at this rate of sales). It's what I CALL, return on investment. Thank you again for the purchases that were made! Also, I currently have a 10 day sale on the OCO-8096-D listed on eBay for $20.00. Buy 1 or Buy 100. Best Regards to All, Fred M.? ? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist? Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Fri Apr 11 02:38:10 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:38:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Donor Deck Wanted Message-ID: <8CA698373E6A9A8-1304-2EDB@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> Just thought I would chance my arm to see if there may be a suitable donor deck available for a future project anywhere?? Need a working transport. Thanks, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Fri Apr 11 10:42:11 2008 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:42:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] A Danish Dragon References: Message-ID: <004a01c89baf$f1d0e380$b207010a@hurtignok> Ali, Thanks a lot for your kind advice. The problem is that the seller did not have any pictures of the deck and he did not offer to make any either. The serial no. is 04179. If I go on with this I will take a lot of pictures of the deck and put them online for Tom and others to watch. Best Regards, Per Ali wrote; Per, Tell him to send you a pic of the machine with it in the play mode see if the vu meters are moving the light in the play button lit, and also tell him to send you the pic of the back of the machine with the serial number. $300 is a great deal for this machine if no one has messed with its circuits and is in 100 percent original condition. Hope this helps you in deciding. The only thing really to worry about would be the belt inside this machine as belts become lose over the years and cause all kinds of performance problems! Ali From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Apr 11 12:51:24 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:51:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay In-Reply-To: <8CA68F339C6501A-1670-71B@webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA68F339C6501A-1670-71B@webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47FF42AC.1030002@yahoo.ca> He doesn't even have the good area code for Outremont, 307 is for Wyoming. johngipps at aol.com a écrit : > Hi NakTalkers > > I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the group - I'll say > sorry in advance. > > Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was attracted to a CR-7E > on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. This was because > the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all accounts looked > difficult to deal with - so I figured there wouldn't be a lot of > bidding. Added to this was the fact that the unit was in Canada and a > 240V version - so a lot of the potential market for a CR-7 or CR-7A > wouldn't have been interested. > > I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for $214US. The seller > wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - a bit high, but > fair enough. He would only accept an international money order, and > this was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if there's any > common sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't break, please tell > me so I'll know next time. He acknowledged receipt of the $364US > (naturally there were other costs - the money order, and an express > courier service) - and advised on Xmas Eve that the item had been > dispatched with a ten week expected delivery - and that there was no > tracking. By the time it was obvious that the item had never been > despatched, it was also too late to file a complaint with eBay. > Western Union weren't interested - they didn't bother replying to a > request for further information. > > In the last month or so, I have been given the names and email > addresses of five other "victims" of this guy - so there's no doubt in > my mind that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller on eBay. > > So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I hope others can > learn something from it as well. I'd like to share the small amount of > information I have on this guy, in the hope that it might be helpful > to others, and also in the hope that someone might be able to give me > more information about him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone > at all. > > Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact information for > the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd... > > Contact Information for rare_films_dvd : > > User ID: rare_films_dvd > Name: bayati kosro > Company: > City: outremont > State/Territory: QC > Country: Canada > Phone: (307) 200-4501 > Registered Since: Monday, Jan 30, 2006 10:27:11 PST > > His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for the > Western Union Money Order to be made out to "Cyrus" - the signature > that came back was "Cyrus Kane" > > So... > > If you know anything about him, please let me know. > If you are buying anything from him - don't. > If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!! > > And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction. > > Regards > > John Gipps From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Apr 11 14:53:34 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A Danish Dragon In-Reply-To: <11161975.1207780983132.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <926813.16389.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HI Tom I am the one of the earliest to notice Orange cap problems - reported in Naktalk along with Stephen / Dragon has problems with Orange caps in Dolby/NAAC areas/ Tone oscillator areas. My own dragon had problems but I have not seen only Orange cap problems in Dragon. I have removed Bias oscillator Orange caps due to same reasons on ZX 7/ZX 9 - infact Bleus ZX 9 had the problem. Faud had noticed same problem with 700ZXE- which I aligned and calibrated later. 670ZX /68X and 582 and 480 series have well documented Orange cap problems I assume similar issues should be noticed on 1000 ZXL/700ZXL. Only machines that I have not noticed so far are CR7 / other CR series and later series. Again I want to stress that do not think that once Orange Caps are removed your Cap problems are gone. I have noticed many Capacitor problems in Dragon /CR 7 / ZX 7 related Electrolytic caps. BX 300 and MR 1 are notorious for Brown Glue issues and Electrolytics. So as for as Naks are concerned do not assume. SO I always recommend to look at cost of ownership of any machine is not just what the seller claims. But remember today that there are very few Techs who can work on Naks. Second they do not get paid enough for their time. So the time taken to service is longer or sometimes you do not get what you expected. And any new comer to Nak particularly Dragons need to be warned about these facts. I can encourage people to trouble shoot any CR DR series machines comfortably assuming that head alignments are not touched and they are not very expensive ( Even LX 5 /582 /482 are OK in this respect) to buy. But what will a new comer do buying a DRagon parts machine - eventhough I see many paying real money for Parts Dragon than better working Dragon? I really do not understand why but that is the fact. I will not recommend saying it is possible for any new comer to nak servicing to really attend to Dragon without expecting real trouble. Tools are also expensive. However one can be lucky - or it is OK for him to spend 300$ just for learning the ropes! which ever is true, then go ahead and spend and it is your money! Kannan Tom Brucker wrote: body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;} Kannan, Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought orange cap problems began after the original 480/580/680...so the ZX versions, LX, ZX, RX505,Dragon, ZXL can all have issues? I believe the early version Dragon had the same parts as version 2, but they were mounted above the amplifier pcb as a modification. While the NAAC can be problematic IF someone has attempted to align it improperly, one can check for sticky guides and proper NAAC operation by asking the seller if the blinking arrow stops blinking after 5 seconds of playback. Even a Dragon that only plays in reverse will be ok if the arrow stops blinking. Continuous blinking, or continuous clicking can be serious alignment problems, or they may be cured by simply cleaning the heads! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Apr 9, 2008 7:53 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Danish Dragon Dragon repair requires tools as well as good experience working with Dragons - particularly issues with DD motor/ tape path / tape movement are very important and need special experience to troubleshoot as NAAC can become erratic if certain measures are not taken. Dragon service manual alone is not enough to service as I found over the years working on dragons particularly. So you need to send this to B&W probably and get it serviced . Ask B&W what would they cahrge you. secondly this Dragon is one of the very early Dragon - by the serial number - 1982-83 production and can have orange cap issues and other capacitors failing. The cost of ownership can be double or more than Double of 300$ value you state - worth the trouble if you cannot find a working later year model Dragon for 600 to 650 $ range. However any purchase may need further service anytime after you purchase as the Dragon needs regular use and once in 5- 7 year service atleast unless you are teh ,ucky ones with that purchase and requires no service - difficult to tell Kannan Per wrote: Hi, For the first time since I became interested in Nak decks there is a Dragon for sale in www.dba.dk The price is 1500 dkk, equivalent to 300 dollars. The owner got it from the first owner who died. He does not know very much. No pictures, but here are the facts he stated upon my request: - serial no. 04179 - it has been idle 3-5 years - it does not play but there is sound from the motor - it does REW / FF though - it changes direction ok - STOP works My thought was glued up pinchroller arms but I am really off on this one. Would you recommend that I give it a try - or is the price too high for taking such a risk? I will likely have to send it to a service tech here in Denmark. Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Fri Apr 11 14:53:47 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:53:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910804091448j4ce05d4bt8ab4f5b0d4837b19@mail.gmail.com> References: <47FD20F4.2090608@marrscommunications.com> <17d5ee910804091448j4ce05d4bt8ab4f5b0d4837b19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47FF5F5B.9080505@marrscommunications.com> Hi Antoine, Not a problem whenever you are ready. By the way, how did everyone get the idea the "special" was a 10 belt minimum? It was a 5 belt minimum! I have it listed on eBay right now, no minimum $20.00 ea. Thanks, Fred M Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hi Fred, > > I'll eventually buy one or two, probably in a few weeks along with a > belt kit for my 480. At least, the eBay special should be more > interesting for those who couldn't afford 10 belts. > > 2008/4/9, Marrs Communications > >: > > Hello to all members! > > I want to thank everyone who took advantage of the "Special" for > Naktalk members, on the 8096-D Capstan Belt. Those orders are very > much appreciated! I am however, somewhat disappointed in the > number of belts sold. With the test results checking out at Spec > or VERY close to Spec, I was sure I would have everyone's Support > and have to order a truck load. Regardless of what you might > think, I started this project at considerable cost. This belt had > not been produced by my manufacturer, since his last contract with > Nakamichi. He did not renew with them due to them Not making the > minimum purchases they agreed upon in their contract. No, their > was not a quality issue with his product! In fact, he was told by > Nakamichi HIS belts "checked out better than the rest of their > vendors" ! Please keep in mind, Nakamichi was trying to convince > him to "stay onboard" and continue to be a vendor to them. He > refused ( I got updated on this ), because this was the 2nd TIME > they did not live up to their agreed upon, minimum purchases in > the contract. I do not know what else I can say to make everyone > feel comfortable with the FACT, this is not just another belt. > This belt can be tested 1000 times and you will receive 1000 > different findings. Also, I did not demand that the Direction > arrow be stamped on the belt because of COST savings. The factory > told me in their experience, while doing this for Nakamichi, > reversing the belt, Might, Might, improve the measurements by 0.01 > to 0.02 if THAT, and since the difference was so small, in his > opinion was a total waste of time and energy AND also drove the > cost of the belt up! Has anyone reversed my belt and checked the > difference? I am Sure Nakamichi published the VERY BEST > wow/flutter, distortion and frequency response results, they could > POSSIBLY get. You would Think? What % of machines manufactured > did NOT spec out THAT well? What were the Specs on the Worst > Machines manufactured? Is YOURS one of them? Something we will > never know. Look, This can go on and on and on. I am a realist! > There is not one Human on this planet, that can hear the > difference in .01 / .02 ABOVE or BELOW Factory Specifications. > If you think you Can, you better RE think. It's like buying a > $2,000, 6 gage high tech power cord for your amp. You swear you > can hear the difference, but what did you do about the 14 gage > ROMEX in the wall, or the fact the power lines coming into your > home are not 99.8% Oxygen Free? Enough of that. I have a decision > to make. I am committed to placing 1 more order for the 8096-D > until the deal "locks in". Due to the shrinking U.S. Dollar, if > I placed a order today, my cost will increase by 23% ! So, do I > keep screwing with this, or go back to the original belt I was > using in the kits? ( Which Dam near met Spec). My understanding > about this Whole belt thing, was everybody wanted a belt that > spec:ed out or Dam near, at a reasonable cost? Was I MISTAKEN? ( > The price will NOT be reduced in the near future. Especially at > this rate of sales). It's what I CALL, return on investment. > Thank you again for the purchases that were made! Also, I > currently have a 10 day sale on the OCO-8096-D listed on eBay > for $20.00. Buy 1 or Buy 100. 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URL: From Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov Fri Apr 11 15:54:23 2008 From: Thomas.Kanwit at usdoj.gov (Kanwit, Thomas (USAMA)) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:54:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay In-Reply-To: <8CA68F339C6501A-1670-71B@webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA68F339C6501A-1670-71B@webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4B106A94EC0989479E8EB85BB83DCDA3044C480E@USAMASML01.usa.doj.gov> As an American federal prosecutor, I can say that scams like this are much too common. Nonetheless, you have my sympathies, John, and your posting was selfless and could be of some help to others. I would recommend forwarding the information to Canadian authorities as well, if you have not done so already. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of johngipps at aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:26 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay Hi NakTalkers I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the group - I'll say sorry in advance. Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was attracted to a CR-7E on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. This was because the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all accounts looked difficult to deal with - so I figured there wouldn't be a lot of bidding. Added to this was the fact that the unit was in Canada and a 240V version - so a lot of the potential market for a CR-7 or CR-7A wouldn't have been interested. I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for $214US. The seller wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - a bit high, but fair enough. He would only accept an international money order, and this was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if there's any common sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't break, please tell me so I'll know next time. He acknowledged receipt of the $364US (naturally there were other costs - the money order, and an express courier service) - and advised on Xmas Eve that the item had been dispatched with a ten week expected delivery - and that there was no tracking. By the time it was obvious that the item had never been despatched, it was also too late to file a complaint with eBay. Western Union weren't interested - they didn't bother replying to a request for further information. In the last month or so, I have been given the names and email addresses of five other "victims" of this guy - so there's no doubt in my mind that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller on eBay. So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I hope others can learn something from it as well. I'd like to share the small amount of information I have on this guy, in the hope that it might be helpful to others, and also in the hope that someone might be able to give me more information about him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone at all. Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact information for the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd... Contact Information for rare_films_dvd : User ID: rare_films_dvd Name: bayati kosro Company: City: outremont State/Territory: QC Country: Canada Phone: (307) 200-4501 Registered Since: Monday, Jan 30, 2006 10:27:11 PST His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for the Western Union Money Order to be made out to "Cyrus" - the signature that came back was "Cyrus Kane" So... If you know anything about him, please let me know. If you are buying anything from him - don't. If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!! And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction. Regards John Gipps ________________________________ Get the MapQuest Toolbar , Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Apr 11 16:02:42 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: How to buy on ebay In-Reply-To: <200804111004.m3BA1pmE003490@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <744609.85895.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> John, Not to whip a dead horse, but I thought using Western Union was advised by ebay itself as a no-no? It sounds like he set you up by making you send money that way-PayPal at least will protect you from posers like that. You'd never get your unit, but you'd at least get your money back. I've bought items before from Canada and never had issues, although I know we've tightened up regulations about stuff coming into the States and it's more time consuming and expensive now. The guy is obviously a con artist and has disappeared for awhile, or now operating under another IP/name. Short of tracing him down and having his legs broken, you're out the money. Horror story to say the least-sorry for you in this. At least you have his name-Cyrus Kane. If you wanna make trouble for him you can...I know a guy named Benny the Fish who may help....JK! Kevin Message: 9 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:25:45 -0400 From: johngipps at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8CA68F339C6501A-1670-71B at webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi NakTalkers I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the group - I'll say sorry in advance. Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was attracted to a CR-7E on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. This was because the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all accounts looked difficult to deal with - so I figured there wouldn't be a lot of bidding. Added to this was the fact that the unit was in Canada and a 240V version - so a lot of the potential market for a CR-7 or CR-7A wouldn't have been interested. I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for $214US. The seller wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - a bit high, but fair enough. He would only accept an international money order, and this was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if there's any common sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't break, please tell me so I'll know next time. He acknowledged receipt of the $364US (naturally there were other costs - the money order, and an express courier service) - and advised on Xmas Eve that the item had been dispatched with a ten week expected delivery - and that there was no tracking. By the time it was obvious that the item had never been despatched, it was also too late to file a complaint with eBay. Western Union weren't interested - they didn't bother replying to a request for further information. In the last month or so, I have been given the names and email addresses of five other "victims" of this guy - so there's no doubt in my mind that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller on eBay. So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I hope others can learn something from it as well. I'd like to share the small amount of information I have on this guy, in the hope that it might be helpful to others, and also in the hope that someone might be able to give me more information about him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone at all. Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact information for the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd... Contact Information for rare_films_dvd : User ID: ???rare_films_dvd Name:???bayati kosro Company: ??? City:???outremont State/Territory:???QC Country:???Canada Phone:???(307) 200-4501 Registered Since:???Monday, Jan 30, 2006?10:27:11 PST His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for the Western Union Money Order to be made out to "Cyrus" - the signature that came back was "Cyrus Kane" So... If you know anything about him, please let me know. If you are buying anything from him - don't. If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!! And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction. Regards John Gipps -------------- next part -------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 11 16:19:12 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] PLease Beware! Ebay and others! In-Reply-To: <8CA68F339C6501A-1670-71B@webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <743153.53720.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John (and other fellow potential candidates for rip off), Thanks for the very interesting information that you have mentioned about this eBay seller. Great service. In the same token I would very discretely ( like our Nak decks!) warn members here about some individual/s( I shall not mention names due to obvious reasons) who take on repair jobs or other Nak assignments from the gullible ones here( like me) promising the sky and not coming through for a long time. All you hear is talk and more talk of what all they did to the machine, request for money ( for work done or for parts!) etc.etc.. and its a yeomen task to get ones machines back from them. Please be wary because there is potential to lose the machines along with prepaid moneys ( for parts! and service done thus far!) and/or the decks themselves. Unfortunately these individuals have a very good knowledge of Nak decks, but are on the easy money path! In one such instance, it became so bad that I had to threaten law enforcement to be able to pick up my decks and it was not worth the whole deal. Moreover, all the so called mods and hundreds of hours of work was nowhere there ( nothing done in 10+ months!) on the deck when procured back. I ended up losing the advance paid plus close to $1000 in shipping charges ( yes $1000) to ship to a far away land! Moreover, despite waiting endlessly, when the repairer heard of me sending my 2 decks to ESL, he had temper tantrums! He gave me hell verbally. Having said that,t I would want to commend folks like like Kannan, who came forthright when asked about service that he may take a long time and does not like to be asked as to the status and never promised the sky. Thanks Kannan, for being straight forward. Your type is a rarity these days! I finally, gave 2 of my beloved decks to ESL( YES ESL) last February for a total overhaul, because after spending money and being ripped off, I thought its better to play it safe locally and get it done right. I learned from my own experience. I hope you folks learn from mine! Regards and be careful. Ram johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi NakTalkers I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the group - I'll say sorry in advance. Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was attracted to a CR-7E on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. This was because the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all accounts looked difficult to deal with - so I figured there wouldn't be a lot of bidding. Added to this was the fact that the unit was in Canada and a 240V version - so a lot of the potential market for a CR-7 or CR-7A wouldn't have been interested. I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for $214US. The seller wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - a bit high, but fair enough. He would only accept an international money order, and this was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if there's any common sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't break, please tell me so I'll know next time. He acknowledged receipt of the $364US (naturally there were other costs - the money order, and an express courier service) - and advised on Xmas Eve that the item had been dispatched with a ten week expected delivery - and that there was no tracking. By the time it was obvious that the item had never been despatched, it was also too late to file a complaint with eBay. Western Union weren't interested - they didn't bother replying to a request for further information. In the last month or so, I have been given the names and email addresses of five other "victims" of this guy - so there's no doubt in my mind that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller on eBay. So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I hope others can learn something from it as well. I'd like to share the small amount of information I have on this guy, in the hope that it might be helpful to others, and also in the hope that someone might be able to give me more information about him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone at all. Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact information for the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd... Contact Information for rare_films_dvd : User ID: rare_films_dvd Name: bayati kosro Company: City: outremont State/Territory: QC Country: Canada Phone: (307) 200-4501 Registered Since: Monday, Jan 30, 2006 10:27:11 PST His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for the Western Union Money Order to be made out to "Cyrus" - the signature that came back was "Cyrus Kane" So... If you know anything about him, please let me know. If you are buying anything from him - don't. If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!! And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction. 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URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Fri Apr 11 16:33:50 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:33:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS In-Reply-To: <8CA68ABF41E8455-1490-B79@webmail-md16.sysops.aol.com> References: <47FD20F4.2090608@marrscommunications.com> <8CA68ABF41E8455-1490-B79@webmail-md16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47FF76CE.6050906@marrscommunications.com> Hi Ben, You are absolutely correct. The only audio manufacturer I can think of to guarantee the equipment you purchase from them will meet the published specifications, is McIntosh. (might be others I am unaware of). In other words every unit they produce and sell. The key word here is published and the statement they make. I am also not aware of any law that exist, forcing the manufacturer to confirm every unit produced, meet published factory specifications. Although I am sure ANY manufacturer, if confronted with a new piece of their equipment that did not meet spec, would "make it good" for the customer. No argument there. Only once in my lifetime, have I known laws to change about published specifications. Remember when the F.T.C. forced manufactures to "rate" their output claims using the same formula? In addition their were "conditions" in the formula. If rated at 200 watts R.M.S. per channel , that specification must include the following conditions. A. Both channels driven from 20Hz -20 kHz at the RATED output, AND has to be operated at 1/3 power (most inefficient) for 45 minutes, and NOT go into thermal protection. Now that is pinning them down! All other specification claims are very broad and a "general" statement. Fred M. benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > Hi Fred, > > You may be right about the variation in W/F vs the claimed, but I > would be surprised if the actual performance of the high end decks > didn't have to be positively released to a minimum specification, or > maybe that's just cloud cookoo land and what I would want to have > happened. Anyway, all I can do is use what I have and compare the > 8096D when it arrives with current NOS 8096C and see what the results > are with my T-100. Testing the belt in both directions is a good idea > and I will also do that to see what the difference is. If happy with > the results, I would certainly order more and store away for the > future as I have 6 decks that need it and hopefully a few more will be > acquired too. > > Best Regards, Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marrs Communications > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 8:03 am > Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS > > Hello to all members! > > I want to thank everyone who took advantage of the "Special" for > Naktalk members, on the 8096-D Capstan Belt. Those orders are very > much appreciated! I am however, somewhat disappointed in the number of > belts sold. With the test results checking out at Spec or VERY close > to Spec, I was sure I would have everyone's Support and have to order > a truck load. Regardless of what you might think, I started this > project at considerable cost. This belt had not been produced by my > manufacturer, since his last contract with Nakamichi. He did not renew > with them due to them Not making the minimum purchases they agreed > upon in their contract. No, their was not a quality issue with his > product! In fact, he was told by Nakamichi HIS belts "checked out > better than the rest of their vendors" ! Please keep in mind, > Nakamichi was trying to convince him to "stay onboard" and continue to > be a vendor to them. He refused ( I got updated on this ), because > this was the 2nd TIME they did not live up ! to their agreed upon, > minimum purchases in the contract. I do not know what else I can say > to make everyone feel comfortable with the FACT, this is not just > another belt. This belt can be tested 1000 times and you will receive > 1000 different findings. Also, I did not demand that the Direction > arrow be stamped on the belt because of COST savings. The factory told > me in their experience, while doing this for Nakamichi, reversing the > belt, Might, Might, improve the measurements by 0.01 to 0.02 if THAT, > and since the difference was so small, in his opinion was a total > waste of time and energy AND also drove the cost of the belt up! Has > anyone reversed my belt and checked the difference? I am Sure > Nakamichi published the VERY BEST wow/flutter, distortion and > frequency response results, they could POSSIBLY get. You would Think? > What % of machines manufactured did NOT spec out THAT well? What were > the Specs on the Worst Machines manufactured? Is YOURS one of them? > Something we wil! l never know. Look, This can go on and on and on. I > am a reali! st! Ther e is not one Human on this planet, that can hear > the difference in .01 / .02 ABOVE or BELOW Factory Specifications. If > you think you Can, you better RE think. It's like buying a $2,000, 6 > gage high tech power cord for your amp. You swear you can hear the > difference, but what did you do about the 14 gage ROMEX in the wall, > or the fact the power lines coming into your home are not 99.8% Oxygen > Free? Enough of that. I have a decision to make. I am committed to > placing 1 more order for the 8096-D until the deal "locks in". Due to > the shrinking U.S. Dollar, if I placed a order today, my cost will > increase by 23% ! So, do I keep screwing with this, or go back to the > original belt I was using in the kits? ( Which Dam near met Spec). My > understanding about this Whole belt thing, was everybody wanted a belt > that spec:ed out or Dam near, at a reasonable cost? Was I MISTAKEN? ( > The price will NOT be reduced in the near future. Especially at this > rate of sales). It's what I CALL, return! on investment. Thank you > again for the purchases that were made! Also, I currently have a 10 > day sale on the OCO-8096-D listed on eBay for $20.00. Buy 1 or Buy > 100. 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URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Fri Apr 11 18:38:42 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:38:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay In-Reply-To: <8CA68F339C6501A-1670-71B@webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <041120081638.15805.47FF9410000C0F0400003DBD22193100029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Hi John, Awful to hear about your experience. Some factors to remember. What is the sellers tone? How many negative feedbacks are on his profile? One or two in their entire file history of hundreds is usually not an issue. But if you notice any adverse patterns this is a red flag. If the purchase price reaches beyond $150.00 I DEMAND a contact phone number. Simply, no number, no payment. Does he answer your questions in a clear open manner without ANY, ambiguity or make your skin crawl? Examine the written descriptions employed, looking for B.S. claims and ommision or outlandish promises. The photos have great clues about maintenance history, but knowing where to look is key. Are there any phony statements and subtle ommisions? If after any poor feedback is left, what's his response to the previous buyers. Any sign of dishonest, aggressive, smart, sarcastic, nasty, glib, words spell trouble. Payment via money order, personal or bank check, is NOT an option since it amounts to sending cas h by mail (no accountability or recourse). MOST important: If they want to charge you any payment processing fees, sales taxes, or outlandish shipping fees of more than ($5-10) is a problem. Lastly, if I still have a queasy feeling, I may inquire about local pick up or inspecting item in person before bidding/buying. If you are met with any hesitation, run don't walk. Seemingly honest people loose their ethics/morals lightning fast for more reasons than I can mention here. During these strange economic days, there are waves of desperate masses trying to keep afloat from fore-closure/bankruptcy/creditors and will lie, cheat and even steal without a moments hesitation to keep from ending up homeless, careless, or hungry. -------------- Original message from johngipps at aol.com: -------------- Hi NakTalkers I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the group - I'll say sorry in advance. Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was attracted to a CR-7E on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. This was because the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all accounts looked difficult to deal with - so I figured there wouldn't be a lot of bidding. Added to this was the fact that the unit was in Canada and a 240V version - so a lot of the potential market for a CR-7 or CR-7A wouldn't have been interested. I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for $214US. The seller wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - a bit high, but fair enough. He would only accept an international money order, and this was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if there's any common sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't break, please tell me so I'll know next time. He acknowledged receipt of the $364US (naturally there were other costs - the money order, and an express courier service) - and advised on Xmas Eve that the item had been dispatched with a ten week expected delivery - and that there was no tracking. By the time it was obvious that the item had never been despatched, it was also too late to file a complaint with eBay. Western Union weren't interested - they didn't bother replying to a request for further information. In the last month or so, I have been given the names and email addresses of five other "victims" of this guy - so there's no doubt in my mind that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller on eBay. So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I hope others can learn something from it as well. I'd like to share the small amount of information I have on this guy, in the hope that it might be helpful to others, and also in the hope that someone might be able to give me more information about him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone at all. Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact information for the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd... Contact Information for rare_films_dvd : User ID: rare_films_dvd Name: bayati kosro Company: City: outremont State/Territory: QC Country: Canada Phone: (307) 200-4501 Registered Since: Monday, Jan 30, 2006 10:27:11 PST His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for the Western Union Money Order to be made out to "Cyrus" - the signature that came back was "Cyrus Kane" So... If you know anything about him, please let me know. If you are buying anything from him - don't. If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!! And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction. Regards John Gipps Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Fri Apr 11 19:01:40 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: How to buy on ebay In-Reply-To: <744609.85895.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <593530.94364.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John: As Kevin said as below, never buy any high-priced items on ebay if the seller don't accept PayPal and/or credit card as payments. Another pitfall in buying oversea is that the transit time is sometimes too long to report a scam/fraud. That is really a sad story. Take care. Mike Kevin Fetner wrote: John, Not to whip a dead horse, but I thought using Western Union was advised by ebay itself as a no-no? It sounds like he set you up by making you send money that way-PayPal at least will protect you from posers like that. You'd never get your unit, but you'd at least get your money back. I've bought items before from Canada and never had issues, although I know we've tightened up regulations about stuff coming into the States and it's more time consuming and expensive now. The guy is obviously a con artist and has disappeared for awhile, or now operating under another IP/name. Short of tracing him down and having his legs broken, you're out the money. Horror story to say the least-sorry for you in this. At least you have his name-Cyrus Kane. If you wanna make trouble for him you can...I know a guy named Benny the Fish who may help....JK! Kevin Message: 9 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:25:45 -0400 From: johngipps at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8CA68F339C6501A-1670-71B at webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi NakTalkers I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the group - I'll say sorry in advance. Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was attracted to a CR-7E on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. This was because the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all accounts looked difficult to deal with - so I figured there wouldn't be a lot of bidding. Added to this was the fact that the unit was in Canada and a 240V version - so a lot of the potential market for a CR-7 or CR-7A wouldn't have been interested. I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for $214US. The seller wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - a bit high, but fair enough. He would only accept an international money order, and this was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if there's any common sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't break, please tell me so I'll know next time. He acknowledged receipt of the $364US (naturally there were other costs - the money order, and an express courier service) - and advised on Xmas Eve that the item had been dispatched with a ten week expected delivery - and that there was no tracking. By the time it was obvious that the item had never been despatched, it was also too late to file a complaint with eBay. Western Union weren't interested - they didn't bother replying to a request for further information. In the last month or so, I have been given the names and email addresses of five other "victims" of this guy - so there's no doubt in my mind that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller on eBay. So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I hope others can learn something from it as well. I'd like to share the small amount of information I have on this guy, in the hope that it might be helpful to others, and also in the hope that someone might be able to give me more information about him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone at all. Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact information for the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd... Contact Information for rare_films_dvd : User ID: ???rare_films_dvd Name:???bayati kosro Company: ??? City:???outremont State/Territory:???QC Country:???Canada Phone:???(307) 200-4501 Registered Since:???Monday, Jan 30, 2006?10:27:11 PST His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for the Western Union Money Order to be made out to "Cyrus" - the signature that came back was "Cyrus Kane" So... If you know anything about him, please let me know. If you are buying anything from him - don't. If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!! And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction. Regards John Gipps -------------- next part -------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Fri Apr 11 20:06:48 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:06:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] PLease Beware! Ebay and others! In-Reply-To: <743153.53720.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CA68F339C6501A-1670-71B@webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> <743153.53720.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <041120081806.16885.47FFA8B700061B35000041F522193100029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Ram if you have had good experiences please also let us know as well. So important! dan -------------- Original message from shanti ramachandran : -------------- John (and other fellow potential candidates for rip off), Thanks for the very interesting information that you have mentioned about this eBay seller. Great service. In the same token I would very discretely ( like our Nak decks!) warn members here about some individual/s( I shall not mention names due to obvious reasons) who take on repair jobs or other Nak assignments from the gullible ones here( like me) promising the sky and not coming through for a long time. All you hear is talk and more talk of what all they did to the machine, request for money ( for work done or for parts!) etc.etc.. and its a yeomen task to get ones machines back from them. Please be wary because there is potential to lose the machines along with prepaid moneys ( for parts! and service done thus far!) and/or the decks themselves. Unfortunately these individuals have a very good knowledge of Nak decks, but are on the easy money path! In one such instance, it became so bad that I had to threaten law enforcement to be able to pick up my decks and it was not worth the whole deal. Moreover, all the so called mods and hundreds of hours of work was nowhere there ( nothing done in 10+ months!) on the deck when procured back. I ended up losing the advance paid plus close to $1000 in shipping charges ( yes $1000) to ship to a far away land! Moreover, despite waiting endlessly, when the repairer heard of me sending my 2 decks to ESL, he had temper tantrums! He gave me hell verbally. Having said that,t I would want to commend folks like like Kannan, who came forthright when asked about service that he may take a long time and does not like to be asked as to the status and never promised the sky. Thanks Kannan, for being straight forward. Your type is a rarity these days! I finally, gave 2 of my beloved decks to ESL( YES ESL) last February for a total overhaul, because after spending money and being ripped off, I thought its better to play it safe locally and get it done right. I learned from my own experience. I hope you folks learn from mine! Regards and be careful. Ram johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi NakTalkers I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the group - I'll say sorry in advance. Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was attracted to a CR-7E on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. This was because the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all accounts looked difficult to deal with - so I figured there wouldn't be a lot of bidding. Added to this was the fact that the unit was in Canada and a 240V version - so a lot of the potential market for a CR-7 or CR-7A wouldn't have been interested. I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for $214US. The seller wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - a bit high, but fair enough. He would only accept an international money order, and this was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if there's any common sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't break, please tell me so I'll know next time. He acknowledged receipt of the $364US (naturally there were other costs - the money order, and an express courier service) - and advised on Xmas Eve that the item had been dispatched with a ten week expected delivery - and that there was no tracking. By the time it was obvious that the item had never been despatched, it was also too late to file a complaint with eBay. Western Union weren't interested - they didn't bother replying to a request for further information. In the last month or so, I have been given the names and email addresses of five other "victims" of this guy - so there's no doubt in my mind that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller on eBay. So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I hope others can learn something from it as well. I'd like to share the small amount of information I have on this guy, in the hope that it might be helpful to others, and also in the hope that someone might be able to give me more information about him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone at all. Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact information for the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd... Contact Information for rare_films_dvd : User ID: rare_films_dvd Name: bayati kosro Company: City: outremont State/Territory: QC Country: Canada Phone: (307) 200-4501 Registered Since: Monday, Jan 30, 2006 10:27:11 PST His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for the Western Union Money Order to be made out to "Cyrus" - the signature that came back was "Cyrus Kane" So... If you know anything about him, please let me know. If you are buying anything from him - don't. If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!! And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction. Regards John Gipps Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 11 20:30:20 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:30:20 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? Message-ID: <13340007.1207938620390.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 11 21:10:38 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:10:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon back from service Message-ID: <21150295.1207941038200.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Apr 11 21:43:14 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:43:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS Message-ID: In a message dated 4/11/2008 8:48:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com writes: All other specification claims are very broad and a "general" statement. Fred M. Hi Fred, Somehow I think this is the standard you apply to your own claims. I'm waiting for a friend of mine to test your new belt with his T-100 (not Willy, BTW) for a definitive evaluation, but according to my own imperfect tests, I don't think your belt is what you claim it is. If it really was made by a company that supplied the 8096C belts to Nakamichi back in the day it would test like the other 8096C belts - like the ESL belt. The more you talk about your belt, the more suspicious I'm getting. When your specs are called into question, you're saying specs don't matter. I notice you're getting a lot of negative feedback on eBay these days - though ironically, not from me. I gave you positive feedback as I have given you the benefit of the doubt, though I noted the belts are not OEM quality. It looks like other people have noticed you're selling $3 worth of belts for $20 (your Dragon kit.) My question to you is, if you can't make a profit selling $3 worth of belts for $20, why stay in business? Jeff W **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Apr 12 02:18:51 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:18:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910804091546g2c476228kcf2369818591f9ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <1F460BFB-F8F0-41A6-BD85-833AB004558D@alumni.caltech.edu> <78B00D72-4B02-4227-B110-D2EA5051826C@kvglabs.com> <17d5ee910804091546g2c476228kcf2369818591f9ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <786406AC-6C5B-4F52-9DF1-A39AD65E55F8@kvglabs.com> Hi Antoine! On Apr 9, 2008, at 5:46 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > is there's really some noise appearing in the 4th generation, it > might be a copy protection flag. Some CD copy protection scheme work > similarly, you can only do backups of the original disc, you can't > then decide to copy a CD-R made from it. > Now THAT makes all kinds of sense! A great insight! > Antoine > > 2008/4/9, Kermit Gray : > Thanks, Kimo, you have some good observations. Studer's admonition > that it wasn't until the fourth generation that 6 db increase in s/ > ratio occurred never made sense to me, but I figured that the > manufacturer should know their machine. Your ideas make much more > sense, though. > > I think the tapes recorded with the Studer could playback on a Sony > PCM3324 or PCM3348, but I had trouble playing back tapes recorded by > a Sony PCM-3324 on the Studer. You had to know what format the tape > you made on the Studer because it could record as a 16-bit 48-track > recorder or 24-bit 24-track recorder. I leased one for about a year, > 1994. I liked much better than the previous digital multitrack I > leased, the Sony PCM-3324, but by 1995 I wasn't doing enough > recording to justify keeping the expensive Studer. Weirdly, 24-track > DASH machines recorded on half of the tape's width and could be > played on the 48-track machines with no modifications. But 48-track > tapes could be played on a 24-track machine but you could access > only the first 24 tracks. The Studer got it 24 bits, if I recall > correctly, by using all 48 tracks but using two tracks per recorded > channel, so if you did a 24-track tape it would play on the Sony > PCM-3348 and PCM-3324 but at lower resolution. DASH format tapes > were a headache! > > I did try a Mitsubishi X-400 16-track, then found that its ProDigi > format was totally incompatible with my DASH tapes. By then, though, > I no longer needed any digital multitrack, and had gone back to > using only my Teac, Studer A80 and Scully 280B analog multitrack > recorders. In 1999 I sold the Studer A80, and in 2001 I sold the > Teac and Scully decks and was persuaded to replace them with a > software DAW multitrack (Logic Audio running on a Macintosh). These > sales reflect my increasingly-reduced need for multitrack recording. > > I have regretted the purchase of the software DAW ever since. > Fortunately a dear friend gave me a Teac A3440 to replace the one I > sold. Although I still have the software DAW multitrack, it now sits > under a desk, unused, collecting dust. I truly, vehemently, dislike > recording with software DAWs and would rather have bamboo shoots > stuck under my fingernails than ever have to do another session with > one again! > > If I ever again need to do a serious multitrack recording I will buy > a good analog tape transport, then build my own recording and > reproduce electronics for it. > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Apr 12 02:42:05 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:42:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Yet another blank tape question.... In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910804101305m67fb083jb9c742f61c143cf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <29A666D2-8C9D-4CB8-B09D-A7577567E7B2@kvglabs.com> <17d5ee910804101305m67fb083jb9c742f61c143cf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8EC99936-BBB4-4CEB-9D51-CEADBEE48D13@kvglabs.com> Hi Antoine, NAC sells Saehan, and the only reason I know this is from your info -- thansk! Tapes.com and several other websites sell SKMA CrO2 cassettes, so it seems SKMA is the most common, unless SKMA stands for something like "Sunkyong Kool Mass-Audio." (I'm making that up.) On Apr 10, 2008, at 3:05 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > that's one of the tapes from national audio, right? Their chrome tapes > are available in SKMA CrO2 as well, not just Chrome/Cobalt. > > Do you know if they can provide samples? > > > 2008/4/3, Kermit Gray : >> Is anyone familiar with a bulk blank cassette called " SKMA UCX/ >> Cobalt >> Chrome?" Recently, when I've needed a quantity of blank chrome bias >> tapes >> recently I've been using Maxell MS Studio Pro XLII. It would be >> nice to find >> a better quality chrome bias tape than Saehan's offerings. I just >> do not >> like Saehan tapes; they seem lacking in overall clarity. >> >> - -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From bwana747 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 12 07:39:54 2008 From: bwana747 at hotmail.com (bwana747 _) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:39:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay *****SOME LEADS In-Reply-To: <8CA68F339C6501A-1670-71B@webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA68F339C6501A-1670-71B@webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: There are several leads I've found on the information you provided: First: The phone number you gave links to an unlisted land line customer of Level 3 Communications in Jackson, Wyoming if the area code you provided is correct as "307". Second and more importantly I found this information below on the internet from another audiophile's web page. He apparently met the same unpleasant experience as you have and with the same perpetrator. I've included the audiophile's web page, his description of his dealings with the same ebay scam artist. He also mentions he managed to get some of his money back. Perhaps in cooperation with this Dave fellow you may be able to as well and maybe shut down or prosecute the perpetrator. I'd also explore the possibilities of mail fraud investigation with your local postmaster and perhaps with the postal office in Montreal. The phone number for Mr. Archambault was from whitepages.com listings though he probably would prefer contact by email. Maybe both of you can share info to finally nail "Cyrus" for good. Best regards, Bob http://www.vinylnirvana.com/ar_verbosa.shtml dave at vinylnirvana.com (David Archambault, Exeter, NH) David D & Donna L Archambault home 4 Gary Ln Exeter, NH 03833-4006 (603) 772-6063 November 21, 2007 I had a recent deal on eBay go south, and so I want to write about it so others will not fall into the same trap I did. The item was an AR the Turntable. The seller was Canadian, with the eBay ID rare_films_dvd . At the time of purchase, he had a total of 40 feedbacks, all positive. In 20-20 hindsight, the following are things I should have noticed and/or been more concerned about: a)most of his previous items sold were small items, less than twenty dollars; b)oddly, the shipping WITHIN Canada was almost twice the shipping to US, and the Canadian "handling fee" was twenty dollars, too; 3) the mailing address was a PO Box; 4) the name for payment was a single name: Cyrus. I know, I know...there are some real red flags here, but I chose to ignore them due to the the seller's 100% positive feedback. I figured maybe "Cyrus" was the name of his business. Anyway, I have lost over $240, and there is little chance of recovery. Of course, eBay will eventually eject the seller, especially since he now has three negatives in the past two weeks, all for non-shipment of expensive electronics. (Since my auction, he has also sold other big-ticket items, which I assume will also turn out to be negatives.) As far as Canadian small claims, how do you take someone to court when you don't know their last name or address? I am positive this fellow, and others like him, will continue to pollute eBay. Learn from my expensive lesson everyone: 1) Don't buy from Canadian sellers unless they take Paypal; 2)Don't buy from Canadian sellers if they are charging high shipping rates to Canada, enticing only US bidders; 3)If you must send an international money order, verify the STREET address and the first and LAST name of the seller; 4)when checking eBay feedback, be sure the seller has successfully shipped an expensive item and received positive feedback for it, not just nickel and dime items; 5)avoid seller rare_films_dvd Update, January 12, 2008: With no help from eBay, I did manage to get back 90% of my money...mostly through threatening this fellow that I was going to take him to small claims court in Montreal. It was a bluff, but it worked. Now spinning...Fleetwood Mac, Rumours (Merrill Heirloom, Sumiko FT-4, Benz Micro Ace) _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up–use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. 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MCM has this motor # 28-1920 for $5.19. Cut the original mu-metal shield in half with scissors as there is not enough room for the full shield. I installed this cam motor in a BX 300 and it works better than I expected. The smaller motor has more torque than the original. Use only -11400 suffixes as other numbers will have too long or too short shafts. As always my goal is to keep as many Nakamichis running at reasonable cost. Thanks to Jeff W. for his assistance. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 11 22:25:03 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:25:03 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay Message-ID: <4636685.1207945503925.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Apr 11 23:34:36 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:34:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: How to buy on ebay In-Reply-To: <593530.94364.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <744609.85895.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <593530.94364.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910804111434w70cc0ceep7dfc91bcaa4fbf11@mail.gmail.com> Hi John, maybe you could ask someone over at FMTunerInfo to add him to their Rogues' Gallery http://fmtunerinfo.com/index.html#eBay Overseas shipping shouldn't be a problem, I saw that eBay gives 90 days to report a problem. (I think the delay was shorter before though) I got ripped once, by a >98% feedback seller, no problems with communication, but he never sent the item. He sent an invalid tracking number and unsubscribed of eBay soon after. Everything was so long I've never been able to send a report. The delay was 30-60 days back then if I remember correctly, not 90. If the seller doesn't accept PayPal, don't even think about it, unless it's local (That's how I got my $8000-new DAT machine for $90) Antoine 2008/4/11, LENA WONG : > John: > As Kevin said as below, never buy any high-priced items on ebay if > the seller don't accept PayPal and/or credit card as payments. Another > pitfall in buying oversea is that the transit time is sometimes too long to > report a scam/fraud. > > That is really a sad story. Take care. > > > Mike > > > Kevin Fetner wrote: > John, > Not to whip a dead horse, but I thought using Western > Union was advised by ebay itself as a no-no? It sounds > like he set you up by making you send money that > way-PayPal at least will protect you from posers like > that. You'd never get your unit, but you'd at least > get your money back. I've bought items before from > Canada and never had issues, although I know we've > tightened up regulations about stuff coming into the > States and it's more time consuming and expensive now. > The guy is obviously a con artist and has disappeared > for awhile, or now operating under another IP/name. > Short of tracing him down and having his legs broken, > you're out the money. Horror story to say the > least-sorry for you in this. At least you have his > name-Cyrus Kane. If you wanna make trouble for him you > can...I know a guy named Benny the Fish who may > help....JK! > > Kevin > > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:25:45 -0400 > From: johngipps at aol.com > Subject: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <8CA68F339C6501A-1670-71B at webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi NakTalkers > > > > I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the > group - I'll say > sorry in advance. > > > > Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was > attracted to a CR-7E > on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. > This was because > the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all > accounts looked > difficult to deal with - so I figured there wouldn't > be a lot of > bidding. > Added to this was the fact that the unit was in > Canada and a 240V > version > - so a lot of the potential market for a CR-7 or > CR-7A wouldn't have > been interested. > > > > I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for > $214US. The seller > wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - > a bit high, but > fair enough. He would only accept an international > money order, and > this > was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if > there's any common > sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't break, > please tell me so > I'll > know next time. He acknowledged receipt of the $364US > (naturally there > were other costs - the money order, and an express > courier service) - > and advised on Xmas Eve that the item had been > dispatched with a ten > week expected delivery - and that there was no > tracking. By the time > it > was obvious that the item had never been despatched, > it was also too > late > to file a complaint with eBay. Western Union weren't > interested - they > didn't bother replying to a request for further > information. > > > > In the last month or so, I have been given the names > and email > addresses of five other "victims" of this guy - so > there's no doubt in > my mind > that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller on > eBay. > > > > So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I > hope others can > learn something from it as well. I'd like to share > the small amount of > information I have on this guy, in the hope that it > might be helpful > to > others, and also in the hope that someone might be > able to give me > more > information about him. Feel free to forward this > email to anyone at > all. > > > > Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact > information for > the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd... > > > Contact Information for rare_films_dvd : > > > > > > User ID: ???rare_films_dvd > > > Name:???bayati kosro > > Company: ??? > > City:???outremont > > State/Territory:???QC > > Country:???Canada > > Phone:???(307) 200-4501 > > Registered Since:???Monday, Jan 30, 2006?10:27:11 PST > > His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he > asked for the > Western Union Money Order to be made out to "Cyrus" - > the signature > that > came back was "Cyrus Kane" > > So... > > If you know anything about him, please let me know. > If you are buying anything from him - don't. > If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I > own it!!!! > > And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in > this transaction. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Apr 12 02:04:36 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:04:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47FFFC94.7050002@marrscommunications.com> Hi Jeff, I only have one comment in response, and that is NOT to comment. It is like a lot of subjects written about here on Naktalk, enough has been said about it. As to the Negative Feedback. It is going away. It was left due to delayed shipments because of a computer crash the 1st part of March. All orders were lost, their email addresses, what was shipped, what had NOT been shipped, everything. It took about 3 weeks to "piece" together the information and start shipping again. It is going away because all but one customer, agreed to have it withdrawn once I explained what happened. So the fact it is there, has NOTHING to do with the quality of my product or satisfaction with my kits. The statement "satisfaction guaranteed" is in every listing I have on eBay. If you don't like the color of the bag their in, you can get a refund. I have nothing to hide Jeff. All of my cards are on the table. I am sending Jeff Galin of E.S.L. some 8096-D samples to check out. It may not be perfect in your eyes but, It is closer to the "source" than any other belt on the planet right now. Although there are the $3.00 belts you speak of from China or Taiwan, but I thought everyone had tried those? It is always you trying to find a conspiracy. And who said I was not making a profit? If not, I would not STILL be selling them. Fred M. Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/11/2008 8:48:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com writes: > > All other specification claims are very broad and a "general" > statement. Fred M. > > > Hi Fred, > > Somehow I think this is the standard you apply to your own claims. > I'm waiting for a friend of mine to test your new belt with his T-100 > (not Willy, BTW) for a definitive evaluation, but according to my own > imperfect tests, I don't think your belt is what you claim it is. If > it really was made by a company that supplied the 8096C belts to > Nakamichi back in the day it would test like the other 8096C belts - > like the ESL belt. The more you talk about your belt, the more > suspicious I'm getting. When your specs are called into question, > you're saying specs don't matter. > > I notice you're getting a lot of negative feedback on eBay these days > - though ironically, not from me. I gave you positive feedback as I > have given you the benefit of the doubt, though I noted the belts are > not OEM quality. It looks like other people have noticed you're > selling $3 worth of belts for $20 (your Dragon kit.) My question to > you is, if you can't make a profit selling $3 worth of belts for $20, > why stay in business? > > Jeff W > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides > . > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Apr 12 02:59:06 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:59:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Yet another blank tape question.... In-Reply-To: <8EC99936-BBB4-4CEB-9D51-CEADBEE48D13@kvglabs.com> References: <29A666D2-8C9D-4CB8-B09D-A7577567E7B2@kvglabs.com> <17d5ee910804101305m67fb083jb9c742f61c143cf6@mail.gmail.com> <8EC99936-BBB4-4CEB-9D51-CEADBEE48D13@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910804111759l494a0i180ae7963bf321f2@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I got more info from NAC afterwards, they have Saehan only for 60 and 90 minutes cobalt tapes. Sunkyong tape is used for every chrome tapes and for 60 minutes cobalt. 2008/4/11, Kermit Gray : > Hi Antoine, > > NAC sells Saehan, and the only reason I know this is from your info -- > thansk! > > Tapes.com and several other websites sell SKMA CrO2 cassettes, so it seems > SKMA is the most common, unless SKMA stands for something like "Sunkyong > Kool Mass-Audio." (I'm making that up.) > > > On Apr 10, 2008, at 3:05 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > > Hi Kermit, > > > > that's one of the tapes from national audio, right? Their chrome tapes > > are available in SKMA CrO2 as well, not just Chrome/Cobalt. > > > > Do you know if they can provide samples? > > > > > > 2008/4/3, Kermit Gray : > > > > > Is anyone familiar with a bulk blank cassette called " SKMA UCX/Cobalt > > > Chrome?" Recently, when I've needed a quantity of blank chrome bias > tapes > > > recently I've been using Maxell MS Studio Pro XLII. It would be nice to > find > > > a better quality chrome bias tape than Saehan's offerings. I just do not > > > like Saehan tapes; they seem lacking in overall clarity. > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Apr 12 04:20:50 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:20:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - 1 ADDITION In-Reply-To: <47FFFC94.7050002@marrscommunications.com> References: <47FFFC94.7050002@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <48001C82.6050907@marrscommunications.com> Jeff, I did not say specifications don't matter. What I did say, there is not a human on this planet that can HEAR the difference between 0.01 and 0.02%, ABOVE or BELOW spec. If you think you can, you better Re-think. This is not in any way saying specs don't matter. This is all I have to say on this subject. Fred M. Marrs Communications wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > I only have one comment in response, and that is NOT to comment. It is > like a lot of subjects written about here on Naktalk, enough has been > said about it. As to the Negative Feedback. It is going away. It was > left due to delayed shipments because of a computer crash the 1st part > of March. All orders were lost, their email addresses, what was > shipped, what had NOT been shipped, everything. It took about 3 weeks > to "piece" together the information and start shipping again. It is > going away because all but one customer, agreed to have it withdrawn > once I explained what happened. So the fact it is there, has NOTHING > to do with the quality of my product or satisfaction with my kits. The > statement "satisfaction guaranteed" is in every listing I have on > eBay. If you don't like the color of the bag their in, you can get a > refund. I have nothing to hide Jeff. All of my cards are on the > table. I am sending Jeff Galin of E.S.L. some 8096-D samples to check > out. It may not be perfect in your eyes but, It is closer to the > "source" than any other belt on the planet right now. Although there > are the $3.00 belts you speak of from China or Taiwan, but I thought > everyone had tried those? It is always you trying to find a > conspiracy. And who said I was not making a profit? If not, I would > not STILL be selling them. Fred M. > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 4/11/2008 8:48:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com writes: >> >> All other specification claims are very broad and a "general" >> statement. Fred M. >> >> >> Hi Fred, >> >> Somehow I think this is the standard you apply to your own claims. >> I'm waiting for a friend of mine to test your new belt with his T-100 >> (not Willy, BTW) for a definitive evaluation, but according to my own >> imperfect tests, I don't think your belt is what you claim it is. If >> it really was made by a company that supplied the 8096C belts to >> Nakamichi back in the day it would test like the other 8096C belts - >> like the ESL belt. The more you talk about your belt, the more >> suspicious I'm getting. When your specs are called into question, >> you're saying specs don't matter. >> >> I notice you're getting a lot of negative feedback on eBay these days >> - though ironically, not from me. I gave you positive feedback as I >> have given you the benefit of the doubt, though I noted the belts are >> not OEM quality. It looks like other people have noticed you're >> selling $3 worth of belts for $20 (your Dragon kit.) My question to >> you is, if you can't make a profit selling $3 worth of belts for $20, >> why stay in business? >> >> Jeff W >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides >> . >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 12 05:54:15 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] PLease Beware! Ebay and others! In-Reply-To: <041120081806.16885.47FFA8B700061B35000041F522193100029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <733755.63307.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dan et al, You bet I shall, but if positive I shall mention the technician by name. Ben you should come forth too my friend with good and bad experiences. I am sure you have had both good and bad. Regards, Ram ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: Ram if you have had good experiences please also let us know as well. So important! dan -------------- Original message from shanti ramachandran : -------------- John (and other fellow potential candidates for rip off), Thanks for the very interesting information that you have mentioned about this eBay seller. Great service. In the same token I would very discretely ( like our Nak decks!) warn members here about some individual/s( I shall not mention names due to obvious reasons) who take on repair jobs or other Nak assignments from the gullible ones here( like me) promising the sky and not coming through for a long time. All you hear is talk and more talk of what all they did to the machine, request for money ( for work done or for parts!) etc.etc.. and its a yeomen task to get ones machines back from them. Please be wary because there is potential to lose the machines along with prepaid moneys ( for parts! and service done thus far!) and/or the decks themselves. Unfortunately these individuals have a very good knowledge of Nak decks, but are on the easy money path! In one such instance, it became so bad that I had to threaten law enforcement to be able to pick up my decks and it was not worth the whole deal. Moreover, all the so called mods and hundreds of hours of work was nowhere there ( nothing done in 10+ months!) on the deck when procured back. I ended up losing the advance paid plus close to $1000 in shipping charges ( yes $1000) to ship to a far away land! Moreover, despite waiting endlessly, when the repairer heard of me sending my 2 decks to ESL, he had temper tantrums! He gave me hell verbally. Having said that,t I would want to commend folks like like Kannan, who came forthright when asked about service that he may take a long time and does not like to be asked as to the status and never promised the sky. Thanks Kannan, for being straight forward. Your type is a rarity these days! I finally, gave 2 of my beloved decks to ESL( YES ESL) last February for a total overhaul, because after spending money and being ripped off, I thought its better to play it safe locally and get it done right. I learned from my own experience. I hope you folks learn from mine! Regards and be careful. Ram johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi NakTalkers I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the group - I'll say sorry in advance. Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was attracted to a CR-7E on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. This was because the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all accounts looked difficult to deal with - so I figured there wouldn't be a lot of bidding. Added to this was the fact that the unit was in Canada and a 240V version - so a lot of the potential market for a CR-7 or CR-7A wouldn't have been interested. I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for $214US. The seller wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - a bit high, but fair enough. He would only accept an international money order, and this was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if there's any common sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't break, please tell me so I'll know next time. He acknowledged receipt of the $364US (naturally there were other costs - the money order, and an express courier service) - and advised on Xmas Eve that the item had been dispatched with a ten week expected delivery - and that there was no tracking. By the time it was obvious that the item had never been despatched, it was also too late to file a complaint with eBay. Western Union weren't interested - they didn't bother replying to a request for further information. In the last month or so, I have been given the names and email addresses of five other "victims" of this guy - so there's no doubt in my mind that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller on eBay. So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I hope others can learn something from it as well. I'd like to share the small amount of information I have on this guy, in the hope that it might be helpful to others, and also in the hope that someone might be able to give me more information about him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone at all. Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact information for the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd... Contact Information for rare_films_dvd : User ID: rare_films_dvd Name: bayati kosro Company: City: outremont State/Territory: QC Country: Canada Phone: (307) 200-4501 Registered Since: Monday, Jan 30, 2006 10:27:11 PST His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for the Western Union Money Order to be made out to "Cyrus" - the signature that came back was "Cyrus Kane" So... If you know anything about him, please let me know. If you are buying anything from him - don't. If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!! And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction. 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Apr 12 11:10:05 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:10:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] sankyo mech cam motor substitute In-Reply-To: <9060137.1207945272364.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9060137.1207945272364.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48007C6D.7020501@xs4all.nl> Hi Tom, Great news! Can someone document this procedure with some pictures? Then i'll be happy to place it on the website. Wouter Tom Brucker wrote: > Everyone is aware of the frozen cam motor common in Sankyo mech decks. While most can be restored to working by cleaning the brushes and lubricating, a motor that continues to stick must be replaced. One eBay seller asks $80US for this motor. I have found that the common Mabuchi RF310T-11400 motor works as a substitute. It does require about 5 minutes of bracket filing and 2 larger diameter screws, and a reversal of wire polarity. > > This is a common spindle motor in CD players. MCM has this motor # 28-1920 for $5.19. Cut the original mu-metal shield in half with scissors as there is not enough room for the full shield. I installed this cam motor in a BX 300 and it works better than I expected. The smaller motor has more torque than the original. > Use only -11400 suffixes as other numbers will have too long or too short shafts. > As always my goal is to keep as many Nakamichis running at reasonable cost. Thanks to Jeff W. for his assistance. > > tom brucker > From benstratford at aol.co.uk Sat Apr 12 09:56:44 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:56:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] PLease Beware! Ebay and others! In-Reply-To: <733755.63307.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CA6A89E20C57C1-B40-46B1@webmail-db12.sysops.aol.com> Hi Ram, I have indeed had good and bad.? The bad ones I have dealt with and those that remain outstanding, will be followed up until I am satisfied.? Usually I try to do my own work, but I recently sent a problematical ZX-9 to Willy Hermann for expert attention.? Not only did he do a first class job, but it was back home here in New Zealand 20 days after I shipped it. (RESPECT)? He is now working on another project for me which will progress further once we find a suitable donor ZX-9 deck !!!? Two more techs have two of my other decks.? ESL are about to ship one, and Tom is working on the other one. I have had much advice and help from members of this forum but in particular Ron, Willy and Tom, to whom I am most grateful.? These guys really are?very generous.? I would also like to thank those that offer parts for sale?and those that report?details of satisfactory substitute parts.? It would be much harder to manage without them.? What a great place this is. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLease Beware! Ebay and others! Dan et al, You bet I shall, but if positive I shall mention the technician by name. Ben you should come forth too my friend with good and bad experiences. I am sure you have had both good and bad. Regards, Ram ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: Ram if you have had good experiences please also let us know as well. So important! dan -------------- Original message from shanti ramachandran : -------------- John (and other fellow potential candidates for rip off), Thanks for the very interesting information that you have mentioned about this eBay seller. Great service. In the same token I would very discretely ( like our Nak decks!) warn members here about some individual/s( I shall not mention names due to obvious reasons) who take on repair jobs or other Nak assignments from the gullible ones here( like me) promising the sky and not coming through for a long time. All you hear is talk and more talk of what all they did to the machine, request for money ( for work done or for parts!) etc.etc.. and its a yeomen task to get ones machines back from them. Please be wary because there is potential to lose the machines along with prepaid moneys ( for parts! and service done thus far!) and/or the decks themselves. Unfortunately these individuals have a very good knowledge of Nak decks, but are on the easy money path! In one such instance, it became so bad that I had to threaten law enforcement to be able to pick up my decks and it was not worth the whole deal. Moreover, all the so called mods and hundreds of hours of work was nowhere there ( nothing done in 10+ months!) on the deck when procured back. I ended up losing the advance paid plus close to $1000 in shipping charges ( yes $1000) to ship to a far away land! Moreover, despite waiting endlessly, when the repairer heard of me sending my 2 decks to ESL, he had temper tantrums! He gave me hell verbally. Having said that,t I would want to commend folks like like Kannan, who came forthright when asked about service that he may take a long time and does not like to be asked as to the status and never promised the sky. Thanks Kannan, for being straight forward. Your type is a rarity these days! I finally, gave 2 of my beloved decks to ESL( YES ESL) last February for a total overhaul, because after spending money and being ripped off, I thought its better to play it safe locally and get it done right. I learned from my own experience. I hope you folks learn from mine! Regards and be careful. Ram johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi NakTalkers I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the group - I'll say sorry in advance. Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was attracted to a CR-7E on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. This was because the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all accounts looked difficult to deal with - so I figured there wouldn't be a lot of bidding. Added to this was the fact that the unit was in Canada and a 240V version - so a lot of the potential market for a CR-7 or CR-7A wouldn't have been interested. I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for $214US. The seller wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - a bit high, but fair enough. He would only accept an international money order, and this was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if there's any common sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't break, please tell me so I'll know next time. He acknowledged receipt of the $364US (naturally there were other costs - the money order, and an express courier service) - and advised on Xmas Eve that the item had been dispatched with a ten week expected delivery - and that there was no tracking. By the time it was obvious that the item had never been despatched, it was also too late to file a complaint with eBay. Western Union weren't interested - they didn't bother replying to a request for further information. In the last month or so, I have been given the names and email addresses of five other "victims" of this guy - so there's no doubt in my mind that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller on eBay. So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I hope others can learn something from it as well. I'd like to share the small amount of information I have on this guy, in the hope that it might be helpful to others, and also in the hope that someone might be able to give me more information about him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone at all. Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact information for the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd... Contact Information for rare_films_dvd : User ID: rare_films_dvd Name: bayati kosro Company: City: outremont State/Territory: QC Country: Canada Phone: (307) 200-4501 Registered Since: Monday, Jan 30, 2006 10:27:11 PST His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for the Western Union Money Order to be made out to "Cyrus" - the signature that came back was "Cyrus Kane" So... If you know anything about him, please let me know. If you are buying anything from him - don't. If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!! And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction. 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URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Apr 12 12:11:19 2008 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:11:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay In-Reply-To: <20080411072553.RJEQ18784.fep23.mail.dk@smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl> References: <20080411072553.RJEQ18784.fep23.mail.dk@smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <0b2104djpv5trsdq8cvqmgsugll1n6dchj@4ax.com> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:25:45 -0400, johngipps at aol.com wrote: >User ID: ???rare_films_dvd >Name:???bayati kosro >Company: ??? >City:???outremont >State/Territory:???QC >Country:???Canada >Phone:???(307) 200-4501 >Registered Since:???Monday, Jan 30, 2006?10:27:11 PST > >His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for the Western Union Money Order to be made out to "Cyrus" - the signature that came back was "Cyrus Kane" > >So... > >If you know anything about him, please let me know. >If you are buying anything from him - don't. >If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!! > >And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction. How about doing something right? File it with his local police! He wanted the money sent to a Post Office box, but it is still illegal to use the Post Office for fraud. So get him! It always helps to do a Google: Right there is his complete contact info alongside his full name. http://www.ioffer.com/i/King-of-the-Zombies-1941-Jean-Yarbrough-HORROR-25966086 Remember, if you use the Post Office to send money and you are defrauded that money, your merchandise never shows up or someone send you a brick instead of a book. Then report the guy and file charges in his police district. It is the only way. The Post Offices usually do not like it when they are used to fraud people. -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Apr 12 12:14:53 2008 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:14:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: How to buy on ebay In-Reply-To: <20080411200437.UEVP18784.fep23.mail.dk@smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl> References: <744609.85895.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20080411200437.UEVP18784.fep23.mail.dk@smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3p2104d3s4i67qho6bnmoia5g0r91eebet@4ax.com> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:01:40 -0700 (PDT), LENA WONG wrote: >John: > As Kevin said as below, never buy any high-priced items on ebay if the seller don't accept PayPal and/or credit card as payments. Another pitfall in buying oversea is that the transit time is sometimes too long to report a scam/fraud. In fact at $150 shipping from CA to OZ you might haveasked what air mail would have cost, have it delivered within 10 days, with plenty of time (10-60 days in which you can argue with seller on eBay about not receiving it. It is all down to trust. And eBay is not what it used to be. And quite frankly I am not so sure it even used to be, it is just that you are more likely to see sellers not care anymore. -Mikkel From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Apr 12 13:46:44 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:46:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay Message-ID: <041220081146.22519.4800A1240003EB91000057F722165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> You wrote: "The photos have great clues about maintenance history, but knowing where to look is key." Hi, I was intrigued by this statement you made. Can you go into more detail about what to look for in photos to determine a unit's maintenance history? What are some of the more troubling things you've seen? Thanks for any further info you can provide! Your post was very helpful. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Apr 12 13:50:23 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:50:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] PLease Beware! Ebay and others! Message-ID: <041220081150.26483.4800A1FF0008E2260000677322165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Ram: Very informative post about the experiences you have had with your Nak repairs. I'm sorry for all the trouble you've experienced. Just for the record folks, since I have taken in some repairs from other Naktalk members... I have never received or repaired any of Ram's decks, so don't look at me!! LOL *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 12 15:39:04 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 09:39:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910804091546g2c476228kcf2369818591f9ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <1F460BFB-F8F0-41A6-BD85-833AB004558D@alumni.caltech.edu> <78B00D72-4B02-4227-B110-D2EA5051826C@kvglabs.com> <17d5ee910804091546g2c476228kcf2369818591f9ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4800BB78.3080908@rcn.com> When one makes a 2nd generation copy of a protected CD, the sound suffers from continuous dropouts. This is nothing like 'some noise'. --Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > is there's really some noise appearing in the 4th generation, it might > be a copy protection flag. Some CD copy protection scheme work > similarly, you can only do backups of the original disc, you can't > then decide to copy a CD-R made from it. > > Antoine > > 2008/4/9, Kermit Gray >: > > Thanks, Kimo, you have some good observations. Studer's > admonition that it wasn't until the fourth generation that 6 db > increase in s/ ratio occurred never made sense to me, but I > figured that the manufacturer should know their machine. Your > ideas make much more sense, though. > > I think the tapes recorded with the Studer could playback on a > Sony PCM3324 or PCM3348, but I had trouble playing back tapes > recorded by a Sony PCM-3324 on the Studer. You had to know what > format the tape you made on the Studer because it could record as > a 16-bit 48-track recorder or 24-bit 24-track recorder. I leased > one for about a year, 1994. I liked much better than the previous > digital multitrack I leased, the Sony PCM-3324, but by 1995 I > wasn't doing enough recording to justify keeping the expensive > Studer. Weirdly, 24-track DASH machines recorded on half of the > tape's width and could be played on the 48-track machines with no > modifications. But 48-track tapes could be played on a 24-track > machine but you could access only the first 24 tracks. The Studer > got it 24 bits, if I recall correctly, by using all 48 tracks but > using two tracks per recorded channel, so if you did a 24-track > tape it would play on the Sony PCM-3348 and PCM-3324 but at lower > resolution. DASH format tapes were a headache! > > I did try a Mitsubishi X-400 16-track, then found that its ProDigi > format was totally incompatible with my DASH tapes. By then, > though, I no longer needed any digital multitrack, and had gone > back to using only my Teac, Studer A80 and Scully 280B analog > multitrack recorders. In 1999 I sold the Studer A80, and in 2001 I > sold the Teac and Scully decks and was persuaded to replace them > with a software DAW multitrack (Logic Audio running on a > Macintosh). These sales reflect my increasingly-reduced need for > multitrack recording. > > I have regretted the purchase of the software DAW ever since. > Fortunately a dear friend gave me a Teac A3440 to replace the one > I sold. Although I still have the software DAW multitrack, it now > sits under a desk, unused, collecting dust. I truly, vehemently, > dislike recording with software DAWs and would rather have bamboo > shoots stuck under my fingernails than ever have to do another > session with one again! > > If I ever again need to do a serious multitrack recording I will > buy a good analog tape transport, then build my own recording and > reproduce electronics for it. > > > > -- > Antoine Deschênes From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 12 15:47:54 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 09:47:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay In-Reply-To: <8CA68F339C6501A-1670-71B@webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA68F339C6501A-1670-71B@webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4800BD8A.8080900@rcn.com> Have you tried to call his phone number? Have you tried to send a letter to the police station at his location (fraud section)? Probably, both are a waste of time, but who knows? -- Ron johngipps at aol.com wrote: > Hi NakTalkers > > I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the group - I'll say > sorry in advance. > > Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was attracted to a CR-7E > on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. This was because > the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all accounts looked > difficult to deal with - so I figured there wouldn't be a lot of > bidding. Added to this was the fact that the unit was in Canada and a > 240V version - so a lot of the potential market for a CR-7 or CR-7A > wouldn't have been interested. > > I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for $214US. The seller > wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - a bit high, but > fair enough. He would only accept an international money order, and > this was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if there's any > common sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't break, please tell > me so I'll know next time. He acknowledged receipt of the $364US > (naturally there were other costs - the money order, and an express > courier service) - and advised on Xmas Eve that the item had been > dispatched with a ten week expected delivery - and that there was no > tracking. By the time it was obvious that the item had never been > despatched, it was also too late to file a complaint with eBay. > Western Union weren't interested - they didn't bother replying to a > request for further information. > > In the last month or so, I have been given the names and email > addresses of five other "victims" of this guy - so there's no doubt in > my mind that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller on eBay. > > So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I hope others can > learn something from it as well. I'd like to share the small amount of > information I have on this guy, in the hope that it might be helpful > to others, and also in the hope that someone might be able to give me > more information about him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone > at all. > > Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact information for > the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd... > > Contact Information for rare_films_dvd : > > User ID: rare_films_dvd > Name: bayati kosro > Company: > City: outremont > State/Territory: QC > Country: Canada > Phone: (307) 200-4501 > Registered Since: Monday, Jan 30, 2006 10:27:11 PST > > His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for the > Western Union Money Order to be made out to "Cyrus" - the signature > that came back was "Cyrus Kane" > > So... > > If you know anything about him, please let me know. > If you are buying anything from him - don't. > If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!! > > And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get the MapQuest Toolbar > , Maps, > Traffic, Directions & More! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 12 16:02:26 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:02:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] PLease Beware! Ebay and others! In-Reply-To: <743153.53720.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <743153.53720.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4800C0F2.9060601@rcn.com> It is not clear to me why you would not publish the scammer's name and address. If your accusation is true, isn't it your duty to your fellow hobbyists to expose this danger? OTOH, if you have no proof of your allegations, why are you posting at all? -- Ron shanti ramachandran wrote: > John (and other fellow potential candidates for rip off), > > Thanks for the very interesting information that you have mentioned > about this eBay seller. Great service. > > In the same token I would very discretely ( like our Nak decks!) warn > members here about some individual/s( I shall not mention names due to > obvious reasons) who take on repair jobs or other Nak assignments from > the gullible ones here( like me) promising the sky and not coming > through for a long time. All you hear is talk and more talk of what > all they did to the machine, request for money ( for work done or for > parts!) etc.etc.. and its a yeomen task to get ones machines back from > them. Please be wary because there is potential to lose the machines > along with prepaid moneys ( for parts! and service done thus far!) > and/or the decks themselves. Unfortunately these individuals have a > very good knowledge of Nak decks, but are on the easy money path! > > In one such instance, it became so bad that I had to threaten law > enforcement to be able to pick up my decks and it was not worth the > whole deal. Moreover, all the so called mods and hundreds of hours of > work was nowhere there ( nothing done in 10+ months!) on the deck when > procured back. I ended up losing the advance paid plus close to $1000 > in shipping charges ( yes $1000) to ship to a far away land! > > Moreover, despite waiting endlessly, when the repairer heard of me > sending my 2 decks to ESL, he had temper tantrums! He gave me hell > verbally. > > Having said that,t I would want to commend folks like like Kannan, who > came forthright when asked about service that he may take a long time > and does not like to be asked as to the status and never promised the > sky. Thanks Kannan, for being straight forward. Your type is a rarity > these days! > > I finally, gave 2 of my beloved decks to ESL( YES ESL) last February > for a total overhaul, because after spending money and being ripped > off, I thought its better to play it safe locally and get it done right. > > I learned from my own experience. I hope you folks learn from mine! > > Regards and be careful. > > Ram > > */johngipps at aol.com/* wrote: > > Hi NakTalkers > > I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the group - I'll say > sorry in advance. > > Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was attracted to a > CR-7E on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. This > was because the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all > accounts looked difficult to deal with - so I figured there > wouldn't be a lot of bidding. Added to this was the fact that the > unit was in Canada and a 240V version - so a lot of the potential > market for a CR-7 or CR-7A wouldn't have been interested. > > I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for $214US. The > seller wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - a bit > high, but fair enough. He would only accept an international money > order, and this was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if > there's any common sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't > break, please tell me so I'll know next time. He acknowledged > receipt of the $364US (naturally there were other costs - the > money order, and an express courier service) - and advised on Xmas > Eve that the item had been dispatched with a ten week expected > delivery - and that there was no tracking. By the time it was > obvious that the item had never been despatched, it was also too > late to file a complaint with eBay. Western Union weren't > interested - they didn't bother replying to a request for further > information. > > In the last month or so, I have been given the names and email > addresses of five other "victims" of this guy - so there's no > doubt in my mind that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller > on eBay. > > So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I hope others can > learn something from it as well. I'd like to share the small > amount of information I have on this guy, in the hope that it > might be helpful to others, and also in the hope that someone > might be able to give me more information about him. Feel free to > forward this email to anyone at all. > > Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact information > for the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd... > > Contact Information for rare_films_dvd : > > User ID: rare_films_dvd > Name: bayati kosro > Company: > City: outremont > State/Territory: QC > Country: Canada > Phone: (307) 200-4501 > Registered Since: Monday, Jan 30, 2006 10:27:11 PST > > His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for > the Western Union Money Order to be made out to "Cyrus" - the > signature that came back was "Cyrus Kane" > > So... > > If you know anything about him, please let me know. > If you are buying anything from him - don't. > If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!! > > And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction. > > Regards > > John Gipps > From iwa64 at hotmail.com Sat Apr 12 19:50:08 2008 From: iwa64 at hotmail.com (jean deschamps) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:50:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay In-Reply-To: <47FF42AC.1030002@yahoo.ca> References: <8CA68F339C6501A-1670-71B@webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> <47FF42AC.1030002@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Yes, the right code for Outremont, a part of Montral, is 514. Just for other Naks talkers, Montreal is divided in two area: The isle of Montreal have the 514 and the area around, across the St-Laurent have the 450. When a seller give you some phone, adress or whatever which can be used to check his identity, please at least check through the yellowpages of the town or area where he tell to live, it's easy to access with internet for almost anywehre in the World. I recently avoid to loose more 3000$ for a pair of JBL 4350 audio monitor by this way. Be aware if you have a deal with a seller who tell to be named Hector Aldini, it's a crook, he have cheated many peoples through ebay, he tell often that he's american or british and to live in Spain. He pretend sell anything, watch, PC, studio monitors and maybe soon, why not, bus, airplane, phone box, submarine, space shuttle or flying saucer, so be careful. Regards, Jean > Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:51:24 -0400> From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay> > > He doesn't even have the good area code for Outremont, 307 is for Wyoming.> > johngipps at aol.com a écrit :> > Hi NakTalkers> >> > I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the group - I'll say > > sorry in advance.> >> > Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was attracted to a CR-7E > > on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. This was because > > the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all accounts looked > > difficult to deal with - so I figured there wouldn't be a lot of > > bidding. Added to this was the fact that the unit was in Canada and a > > 240V version - so a lot of the potential market for a CR-7 or CR-7A > > wouldn't have been interested.> >> > I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for $214US. The seller > > wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - a bit high, but > > fair enough. He would only accept an international money order, and > > this was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if there's any > > common sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't break, please tell > > me so I'll know next time. He acknowledged receipt of the $364US > > (naturally there were other costs - the money order, and an express > > courier service) - and advised on Xmas Eve that the item had been > > dispatched with a ten week expected delivery - and that there was no > > tracking. By the time it was obvious that the item had never been > > despatched, it was also too late to file a complaint with eBay. > > Western Union weren't interested - they didn't bother replying to a > > request for further information.> >> > In the last month or so, I have been given the names and email > > addresses of five other "victims" of this guy - so there's no doubt in > > my mind that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller on eBay.> >> > So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I hope others can > > learn something from it as well. I'd like to share the small amount of > > information I have on this guy, in the hope that it might be helpful > > to others, and also in the hope that someone might be able to give me > > more information about him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone > > at all.> >> > Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact information for > > the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd...> >> > Contact Information for rare_films_dvd :> >> > User ID: rare_films_dvd> > Name: bayati kosro> > Company: > > City: outremont> > State/Territory: QC> > Country: Canada> > Phone: (307) 200-4501> > Registered Since: Monday, Jan 30, 2006 10:27:11 PST> >> > His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for the > > Western Union Money Order to be made out to "Cyrus" - the signature > > that came back was "Cyrus Kane"> >> > So...> >> > If you know anything about him, please let me know.> > If you are buying anything from him - don't.> > If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!!> >> > And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction.> >> > Regards> >> > John Gipps> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Recevez tous vos e-mails sur un seul compte ! Créez une adresse Hotmail ! http://www.windowslive.fr/hotmail/default.asp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Apr 13 15:32:42 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:32:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] REPAIR ASSISTANCE NEEDED - 680 Meters Don't Work Message-ID: <041320081332.23032.48020B7A00033FEF000059F822165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hello Everyone: Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later. I have a repair job that I just cannot figure out. Brian kindly trusted me to work on his Nakamichi 680. The deck is in solid mechanical and electronic condition, with only one problem. The fluorescent meters don't light up. I have replaced C901, C902, and C903 on Indicator PCB Assembly "C". Curiously, C901 and C902 had already been replaced, but I decided to replace them with my own known good components. Replacing those three capacitors did nothing to fix the problem. I have verified that approximately 2.5v AC is reaching pins 1 and 49 (the first and last pins) of the actual fluorescent unit. I have also verified that all DC voltages indicated in the service manual schematics for Indicator PCB Assemblies "A", "B", and "C" are OK. I have even checked and verified all transistors, diodes, and resistors on Indicator PCB Assemblies "A", "B", and "C". The only anomaly I have been able to find is *slightly* low voltages coming to the fluorescent meter PCB through connector CN-5. This connector runs directly to the fluorescent meter PCB from the deck's Logic board. If I recall correctly, this controls the RAMM section of the fluorescent display, so even this is probably a blind alley. The negative DC voltage on pin 9 of CN-5 is OK (approximately -37.5v DC), but voltages on pins 1 through 8 are a bit low...but I don't even know if they are TOO low to operate. Just low. Pins 1 through 8 have a low AC voltage on them. On other decks I have measured the AC voltage on pins 1 through 8 in the range of .165mV AC to .415mV AC. Pins 1 through 8 on CN-5 of this deck all measure between .068mV and .088mV. It's really strange...unless I am overlooking something big, I have checked everything out, and everything checks out OK. The meter display JUST....DOESN'T....WORK. Everything else about this deck is fine. If I can't figure this out, this will be the first time I return a deck to someone without fixing the problem. I would hate for this to happen, so I have decided to put this problem in front of all of you, to see if you have ever encountered a similar situation. Any info would be very much appreciated, *andy* From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Apr 12 20:37:38 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:37:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay In-Reply-To: References: <8CA68F339C6501A-1670-71B@webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> <47FF42AC.1030002@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <17d5ee910804121137n7663caeftf6dc61cb73e2340e@mail.gmail.com> There's now the 438 for Montreal along with 514, by the way ;-) (to make sure no one assumes that 438 is wrong) 2008/4/12, jean deschamps : > > Yes, the right code for Outremont, a part of Montral, is 514. Just for > other Naks talkers, Montreal is divided in two area: The isle of Montreal > have the 514 and the area around, across the St-Laurent have the 450. When a > seller give you some phone, adress or whatever which can be used to check > his identity, please at least check through the yellowpages of the town or > area where he tell to live, it's easy to access with internet for almost > anywehre in the World. > I recently avoid to loose more 3000$ for a pair of JBL 4350 audio monitor > by this way. Be aware if you have a deal with a seller who tell to be named > Hector Aldini, it's a crook, he have cheated many peoples through ebay, he > tell often that he's american or british and to live in Spain. He pretend > sell anything, watch, PC, studio monitors and maybe soon, why not, bus, > airplane, phone box, submarine, space shuttle or flying saucer, so be > careful. > > Regards, Jean > > > Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:51:24 -0400 > > From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay > > > > > > He doesn't even have the good area code for Outremont, 307 is for Wyoming. > > > > johngipps at aol.com a écrit : > > > Hi NakTalkers > > > > > > I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the group - I'll say > > > sorry in advance. > > > > > > Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was attracted to a CR-7E > > > on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. This was because > > > the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all accounts looked > > > difficult to deal with - so I figured there wouldn't be a lot of > > > bidding. Added to this was the fact that the unit was in Canada and a > > > 240V version - so a lot of the potential market for a CR-7 or CR-7A > > > wouldn't have been interested. > > > > > > I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for $214US. The seller > > > wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - a bit high, but > > > fair enough. He would only accept an international money order, and > > > this was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if there's any > > > common sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't break, please tell > > > me so I'll know next time. He acknowledged receipt of the $364US > > > (naturally there were other costs - the money order, and an express > > > courier service) - and advised on Xmas Eve that the item had been > > > dispatched with a ten week expected delivery - and that there was no > > > tracking. By the time it was obvious that the item had never been > > > despatched, it was also too late to file a complaint with eBay. > > > Western Union weren't interested - they didn't bother replying to a > > > request for further information. > > > > > > In the last month or so, I have been given the names and email > > > addresses of five other "victims" of this guy - so there's no doubt in > > > my mind that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller on eBay. > > > > > > So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I hope others can > > > learn something from it as well. I'd like to share the small amount of > > > information I have on this guy, in the hope that it might be helpful > > > to others, and also in the hope that someone might be able to give me > > > more information about him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone > > > at all. > > > > > > Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact information for > > > the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd... > > > > > > Contact Information for rare_films_dvd : > > > > > > User ID: rare_films_dvd > > > Name: bayati kosro > > > Company: > > > City: outremont > > > State/Territory: QC > > > Country: Canada > > > Phone: (307) 200-4501 > > > Registered Since: Monday, Jan 30, 2006 10:27:11 PST > > > > > > His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for the > > > Western Union Money Order to be made out to "Cyrus" - the signature > > > that came back was "Cyrus Kane" > > > > > > So... > > > > > > If you know anything about him, please let me know. > > > If you are buying anything from him - don't. > > > If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!! > > > > > > And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > John Gipps > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ________________________________ > Tous vos amis discutent sur Messenger, et vous ? Téléchargez Messenger, > c'est gratuit ! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Apr 12 20:42:29 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:42:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <4800BB78.3080908@rcn.com> References: <1F460BFB-F8F0-41A6-BD85-833AB004558D@alumni.caltech.edu> <78B00D72-4B02-4227-B110-D2EA5051826C@kvglabs.com> <17d5ee910804091546g2c476228kcf2369818591f9ea@mail.gmail.com> <4800BB78.3080908@rcn.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910804121142m502ad671h94397c3085c9960e@mail.gmail.com> Who said Studer uses the exact same copy protection scheme as protected CDs do, if that's the cause? 2008/4/12, Ron : > > When one makes a 2nd generation copy of a protected > CD, the sound suffers from continuous dropouts. This is > nothing like 'some noise'. > > --Ron > > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > > Hi Kermit, > > > > is there's really some noise appearing in the 4th generation, it might be > a copy protection flag. Some CD copy protection scheme work similarly, you > can only do backups of the original disc, you can't then decide to copy a > CD-R made from it. > > > > Antoine > > > > 2008/4/9, Kermit Gray >: > > > > > > Thanks, Kimo, you have some good observations. Studer's > > admonition that it wasn't until the fourth generation that 6 db > > increase in s/ ratio occurred never made sense to me, but I > > figured that the manufacturer should know their machine. Your > > ideas make much more sense, though. > > I think the tapes recorded with the Studer could playback on a > > Sony PCM3324 or PCM3348, but I had trouble playing back tapes > > recorded by a Sony PCM-3324 on the Studer. You had to know what > > format the tape you made on the Studer because it could record as > > a 16-bit 48-track recorder or 24-bit 24-track recorder. I leased > > one for about a year, 1994. I liked much better than the previous > > digital multitrack I leased, the Sony PCM-3324, but by 1995 I > > wasn't doing enough recording to justify keeping the expensive > > Studer. Weirdly, 24-track DASH machines recorded on half of the > > tape's width and could be played on the 48-track machines with no > > modifications. But 48-track tapes could be played on a 24-track > > machine but you could access only the first 24 tracks. The Studer > > got it 24 bits, if I recall correctly, by using all 48 tracks but > > using two tracks per recorded channel, so if you did a 24-track > > tape it would play on the Sony PCM-3348 and PCM-3324 but at lower > > resolution. DASH format tapes were a headache! > > > > I did try a Mitsubishi X-400 16-track, then found that its ProDigi > > format was totally incompatible with my DASH tapes. By then, > > though, I no longer needed any digital multitrack, and had gone > > back to using only my Teac, Studer A80 and Scully 280B analog > > multitrack recorders. In 1999 I sold the Studer A80, and in 2001 I > > sold the Teac and Scully decks and was persuaded to replace them > > with a software DAW multitrack (Logic Audio running on a > > Macintosh). These sales reflect my increasingly-reduced need for > > multitrack recording. > > I have regretted the purchase of the software DAW ever since. > > Fortunately a dear friend gave me a Teac A3440 to replace the one > > I sold. Although I still have the software DAW multitrack, it now > > sits under a desk, unused, collecting dust. I truly, vehemently, > > dislike recording with software DAWs and would rather have bamboo > > shoots stuck under my fingernails than ever have to do another > > session with one again! > > > > If I ever again need to do a serious multitrack recording I will > > buy a good analog tape transport, then build my own recording and > > reproduce electronics for it. > > > > > > -- > > Antoine Deschênes > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Apr 12 20:58:06 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:58:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: How to buy on ebay In-Reply-To: <3p2104d3s4i67qho6bnmoia5g0r91eebet@4ax.com> References: <744609.85895.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20080411200437.UEVP18784.fep23.mail.dk@smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl> <3p2104d3s4i67qho6bnmoia5g0r91eebet@4ax.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910804121158i1d7215a5xbc58a5a820eeb538@mail.gmail.com> Letter airmail from Austraila to Canada takes 3 weeks and an half. 2008/4/12, Mikkel Breiler : > On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:01:40 -0700 (PDT), LENA WONG > wrote: > > > >John: > > As Kevin said as below, never buy any high-priced items on ebay if the seller don't accept PayPal and/or credit card as payments. Another pitfall in buying oversea is that the transit time is sometimes too long to report a scam/fraud. > > > In fact at $150 shipping from CA to OZ you might haveasked what air mail > would have cost, have it delivered within 10 days, with plenty of time > (10-60 days in which you can argue with seller on eBay about not receiving > it. > > It is all down to trust. And eBay is not what it used to be. And quite > frankly I am not so sure it even used to be, it is just that you are more > likely to see sellers not care anymore. > > > -Mikkel > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sat Apr 12 21:08:18 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:08:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] No response to my emails, so I will try them here... In-Reply-To: <25908874.1207947577403.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <041220081908.23607.4801089F0005311900005C3722230703629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> I have heard this happen a few times prior with other Dragon holder assemblies. Is it safer to ship sans this compartment door installed due to the delicate nature? dino -------------- Original message from Tom Brucker : -------------- Problem solved with a phone call. This was a double boxed Dragon with 4" of padding on the outside box. Oh the joys of UPS! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: RICHARD FIne Sent: Apr 10, 2008 4:10 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] No response to my emails, so I will try them here... Tom, I sent the information below a couple of times without response... I will try here ... Rick RE: UPS claim‏ From:RICHARD FIne (rich_121 at msn.com) Sent:Tue 4/08/08 10:09 AM To: hitech at bellsouth.net Tom, Resending email below... Rick From: rich_121 at msn.com To: hitech at bellsouth.net Subject: RE: UPS claim Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 11:08:28 -0700 Photos Received for UPS Package 1Z3099330310088840‏ From:pictures at ups.com You may not know this sender.Mark as safe|Mark as unsafe Sent:Thu 3/27/08 9:40 AM To: RICH_121 at MSN.COM Dear RICHARD FINE, Thank you for sending us the photos of the damaged package. We will now inspect the package and notify your shipper of the results. We will contact the shipper by the end of the next business day. If you are the receiver, please stay in contact with your shipper for additional information regarding the final disposition of the claim. Thank you for your assistance in this matter. Harold Lee UPS Damage Exception Group 1-800-651-2352 ext. 4592 Have you heard anything from UPS on your end? Have a great weekend, Rick ... From: hitech at bellsouth.net To: rich_121 at msn.com Subject: RE:UPS claim Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:39:33 -0600 Richard, I got the UPS claim form, but haven't seen the deck. Aren't they supposed to ship it here? Did they inspect it there at your house? I could file for your cost for the deck if you would rather not repair that Dragon. tom Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: RICHARD FIne [mailto:rich_121 at msn.com] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:19 PM To: hitech at bellsouth.net Subject: RE: When will you ship the Dragon? Complete cassette door assembly "kicked in" shipping boxes not damaged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From: hitech at bellsouth.net To: rich_121 at msn.com Subject: RE: When will you ship the Dragon? Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:26:23 -0600 Richard, tracking is 1z 309 933 03 1008 884 0. I had to find a second box to prevent another round of shipping damage! let me know when you get it. It shipped UPS ground on the 13th. Tom Brucker csm Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 615-331-9241 hitech at bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: RICHARD FIne [mailto:rich_121 at msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:22 AM To: hitech at bellsouth.net Subject: When will you ship the Dragon? Tom, It has been 13 days since you called me and said that the work needed on the Dragon was finished, and that you were shipping it. I haven't recieved neither the Dragon or a tracking number? Richard Fine document.getElementById("MsgContainer").innerHTML='\x0d\x0a\x0d\x0a\x3cmeta http-equiv\x3dContent-Type content\x3d\x22text\x2fhtml\x3b charset\x3dunicode\x22\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cmeta name\x3dGenerator content\x3d\x22Microsoft SafeHTML\x22\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cstyle\x3e\x0d\x0a.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P\x0d\x0a\x7bpadding\x3a0px\x3b\x7d\x0d\x0a.ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage\x0d\x0a\x7bfont-size\x3a10pt\x3bfont-family\x3aTahoma\x3b\x7d\x0d\x0a\x3c\x2fstyle\x3e\x0d\x0a\x0d\x0a\x0d\x0aTom,\x3cbr\x3e\x0d\x0aResending email below...\x3cbr\x3e\x0d\x0a\u00a0\x3cbr\x3e\x0d\x0aRick\x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cblockquote\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3chr\x3e\x0d\x0aFrom\x3a rich_121\x40msn.com\x3cbr\x3eTo\x3a hitech\x40bellsouth.net\x3cbr\x3eSubject\x3a RE\x3a UPS claim\x3cbr\x3eDate\x3a Sat, 5 Apr 2008 11\x3a08\x3a28 -0700\x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x0d\x0a\x0d\x0a\x3cstyle\x3e\x0d\x0a.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P\x0d\x0a\x7bpadding\x3a0px\x3b\x7d\x0d\x0a.ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage\x0d! \x0a\x7bfont- size\x3a10pt\x3bfont-family\x3aTahoma\x3b\x7d\x0d\x0a\x3c\x2fstyle\x3e\x0d\x0aTom,\x3cbr\x3eJust seen your email... somehow it got put into my junkmail box \x28I almost deleted it, but checked all the mail just in case.. glad I did\x29.\x3cbr\x3eI recieved this message from UPS... don\x27t know what they mean exactly, as obviously they have not contacted you...\x3cbr\x3e\u00a0\x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\u00a0\x3cbr\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cdiv class\x3d\x22EC_EC_ReadMsgHeader EC_EC_ClearBoth\x22\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3ctable cellspacing\x3d0 cellpadding\x3d0\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3ctbody\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3ctr\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3ctd class\x3d\x22EC_EC_ReadMsgSubject\x22 colspan\x3d2\x3ePhotos Received for UPS Package 1Z3099330310088840\u200f\x3c\x2ftd\x3e\x3c\x2ftr\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3ctr\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3ctd class\x3d\x22EC_EC_SecondaryTextColor\x22\x3eFrom\x3a\x3c\x2ftd\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3ctd\x3e\x3cspan\x3e\x3cb\x3epictures\x40ups.com\x3c\x2fb\x3e\x3c\x2fspan\x3e\x3c\x2ftd\x3e\x3c\x2ftr\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3ctr\x3e\x0d\x0a! \x3ctd\x3e\x3c\x2ft d\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3ctd\x3e\x3cimg alt\x3d\x22M! edium ri sk\x22 src\x3d\x22http\x3a\x2f\x2fgfx2.hotmail.com\x2fmail\x2fw2\x2fltr\x2fi_yellowshield.gif\x22\x3e\x3cspan class\x3d\x22EC_EC_SenderSafetyMsg\x22\x3eYou may not know this sender.\x3c\x2fspan\x3e\x3ca class\x3d\x22EC_EC_NonThemedLinks EC_EC_SenderSafetyLinks\x22 href\x3d\x22http\x3a\x2f\x2fby108w.bay108.mail.live.com\x2fmail\x2fReadMessageLight.aspx\x3fAction\x3dMarkAsNotJunk\x26amp\x3bFolderID\x3d3f9ea96c-0a45-4d05-a7b4-bca427eafa20\x26amp\x3bInboxSortAscending\x3dFalse\x26amp\x3bInboxSortBy\x3dDate\x26amp\x3bReadMessageId\x3d9b811c0d-a960-4939-babb-763867bd74d3\x26amp\x3bn\x3d452283108\x22 target\x3d\x22_blank\x22\x3eMark as safe\x3c\x2fa\x3e\x7c\x3ca class\x3d\x22EC_EC_NonThemedLinks EC_EC_SenderSafetyLinks\x22 href\x3d\x22http\x3a\x2f\x2fby108w.bay108.mail.live.com\x2fmail\x2fReadMessageLight.aspx\x3fAction\x3dMarkAsJunk\x26amp\x3bFolderID\x3d3f9ea96c-0a45-4d05-a7b4-bca427eafa20\x26amp\x3bInboxSortAscending\x3dFalse\x26amp \x3bInboxSortBy\x3dDate\x26amp\x3bReadMessageId! \x3d9b811c0d-a960-4939-babb-763867bd74d3\x26amp\x3bn\x3d432660679\x22 target\x3d\x22_blank\x22\x3eMark as unsafe\x3c\x2fa\x3e\x3c\x2ftd\x3e\x3c\x2ftr\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3ctr\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3ctd class\x3d\x22EC_EC_SecondaryTextColor\x22\x3eSent\x3a\x3c\x2ftd\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3ctd\x3eThu 3\x2f27\x2f08 9\x3a40 AM\x3c\x2ftd\x3e\x3c\x2ftr\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3ctr\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3ctd class\x3d\x22EC_EC_SecondaryTextColor\x22\x3eTo\x3a \x3c\x2ftd\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3ctd\x3eRICH_121\x40MSN.COM\x3c\x2ftd\x3e\x3c\x2ftr\x3e\x3c\x2ftbody\x3e\x3c\x2ftable\x3e\x3c\x2fdiv\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cdiv class\x3d\x22EC_EC_ReadMsgBody EC_EC_BorderTop\x22\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cdiv class\x3d\x22EC_EC_ExternalClass\x22 id\x3d\x22EC_EC_MsgContainer\x22\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x3cfont face\x3dArial\x3eDear RICHARD FINE,\x3c\x2ffont\x3e \x3cbr\x3e\x3cfont face\x3dArial\x3eThank you for sending us the photos of the damaged package. We will now inspect the package and notify your shipper of the results. \x3c\x2ff ont\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x3cfont face\x3dArial\x! 3eWe will contact the shipper by the end of the next business ! day.\u00 a0 If you are the receiver, please stay in contact with your shipper for additional information regarding the final disposition of the claim.\x3c\x2ffont\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x3cfont face\x3dArial\x3eThank you for your assistance in this matter.\x3c\x2ffont\x3e \x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x3cfont face\x3dArial size\x3d2\x3eHarold Lee\x3c\x2ffont\x3e \x3cbr\x3e\x3cfont face\x3dArial size\x3d2\x3eUPS Damage Exception Group\x3c\x2ffont\x3e \x3cbr\x3e\x3cfont face\x3dArial size\x3d2\x3e1-800-651-2352 ext. 4592 \x3c\x2ffont\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x3c\x2fdiv\x3e\x3c\x2fdiv\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cblockquote\x3eHave you heard anything from UPS on your end\x3f\x3cbr\x3e\u00a0\x3cbr\x3e\u00a0\x3cbr\x3eHave a great weekend,\x3cbr\x3e\u00a0\x3cbr\x3e\u00a0\x3cbr\x3e\u00a0\x3cbr\x3e\u00a0\x3cbr\x3e\u00a0\x3cbr\x3eRick\x3cbr\x3e\u00a 0\x3cbr\x3e...\x3cbr\x3e\u00a0\x3cbr\x3e\u00a0\x3cbr\x3e\u00a0\x3cbr\x3e\u00a0\x3cbr\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3chr\x3e\x0! d\x0a\x3cbr\x3eFrom\x3a hitech\x40bellsouth.net\x3cbr\x3eTo\x3a rich_121\x40msn.com\x3cbr\x3eSubject\x3a RE\x3aUPS claim\x3cbr\x3eDate\x3a Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15\x3a39\x3a33 -0600\x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cstyle\x3e\x0d\x0a.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P\x0d\x0a\x7bpadding-right\x3a0px\x3bpadding-left\x3a0px\x3bpadding-bottom\x3a0px\x3bpadding-top\x3a0px\x3b\x7d\x0d\x0a.ExternalClass BODY.EC_hmmessage\x0d\x0a\x7bfont-size\x3a10pt\x3bfont-family\x3aTahoma\x3b\x7d\x0d\x0a\x3c\x2fstyle\x3e\x0d\x0a\x0d\x0a\x3cdiv\x3e\x3cfont face\x3dArial color\x3d\x22\x230000ff\x22\x3e\x3cspan class\x3d\x22EC_EC_EC_890463421-01042008\x22\x3eRichard,\x3c\x2fspan\x3e\x3c\x2ffont\x3e\x3c\x2fdiv\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cdiv\x3e\x3cfont face\x3dArial color\x3d\x22\x230000ff\x22\x3e\x3cspan class\x3d\x22EC_EC_EC_890463421-01042008\x22\x3e\u00a0I got the UPS claim form, but haven\x27t seen the deck. Aren\x27t they supposed to ship it here\x3f Did they inspect it there at your house\x3f I could file f! or your cost for the deck if you would rather not repair that ! Dragon.\ x3c\x2fspan\x3e\x3c\x2ffont\x3e\x3c\x2fdiv\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cdiv\x3e\x3cfont face\x3dArial color\x3d\x22\x230000ff\x22\x3e\x3cspan class\x3d\x22EC_EC_EC_890463421-01042008\x22\x3e\x3c\x2fspan\x3e\x3c\x2ffont\x3e\u00a0\x3c\x2fdiv\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cdiv\x3e\x3cfont face\x3dArial color\x3d\x22\x230000ff\x22\x3e\x3cspan class\x3d\x22EC_EC_EC_890463421-01042008\x22\x3etom\x3c\x2fspan\x3e\x3c\x2ffont\x3e\x3c\x2fdiv\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cdiv\x3e\u00a0\x3c\x2fdiv\x3eTom Brucker\u00a0 csm\x3cbr\x3eHi Tech Service\x3cbr\x3e2934 Nolensville Rd.\x3cbr\x3eNashville, TN 37211\x3cbr\x3e615-331-9241\x3cbr\x3ehitech\x40bellsouth.net \x3cbr\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cblockquote dir\x3dltr style\x3d\x22margin-right\x3a0px\x22\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cdiv class\x3d\x22EC_EC_EC_OutlookMessageHeader\x22 dir\x3dltr align\x3dleft\x3e\x3cfont face\x3dTahoma\x3e-----O riginal Message-----\x3cbr\x3e\x3cb\x3eFrom\x3a\x3c\x2fb\x3e RICHARD FIne \x5bmailto\x3arich_121\x40msn.com\x5d\x3cbr\x3e\x3cb\x3eSent\x3a\x3c\x2fb\x3e Thursday, March 20,! 2008 6\x3a19 PM\x3cbr\x3e\x3cb\x3eTo\x3a\x3c\x2fb\x3e hitech\x40bellsouth.net\x3cbr\x3e\x3cb\x3eSubject\x3a\x3c\x2fb\x3e RE\x3a When will you ship the Dragon\x3f\x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x3c\x2ffont\x3e\x3c\x2fdiv\x3e\x3cbr\x3eComplete cassette door assembly \x26quot\x3bkicked in\x26quot\x3b shipping boxes not damaged\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x21\x3cbr\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cblockquote\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3chr\x3e\x0d\x0aFrom\x3a hitech\x40bellsouth.net\x3cbr\x3eTo\x3a rich_121\x40msn.com\x3cbr\x3eSubject\x3a RE\x3a When will you ship the Dragon\ x3f\x3cbr\x3eDate\x3a Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10\x3a26\x3a23 -0600\x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cstyle\x3e\x0d\x0a.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P\x0d\x0a\x7bpadding-right\! x3a0px\x3bpadding-left\x3a0px\x3bpadding-bottom\x3a0px\x3bpadd! ing-top\ x3a0px\x3b\x7d\x0d\x0a.ExternalClass EC_BODY.hmmessage\x0d\x0a\x7bfont-size\x3a10pt\x3bfont-family\x3aTahoma\x3b\x7d\x0d\x0a\x3c\x2fstyle\x3e\x0d\x0a\x0d\x0a\x3cdiv\x3e\x3cspan class\x3d\x22EC_EC_EC_EC_190462216-20032008\x22\x3e\x3cfont face\x3dArial color\x3d\x22\x230000ff\x22\x3eRichard,\x3c\x2ffont\x3e\x3c\x2fspan\x3e\x3c\x2fdiv\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cdiv\x3e\x3cspan class\x3d\x22EC_EC_EC_EC_190462216-20032008\x22\x3e\x3cfont face\x3dArial color\x3d\x22\x230000ff\x22\x3etracking is 1z 309 933 03 1008 884 0. I had to find a second box to prevent another round of shipping damage\x21 let me know when you get it.\x3c\x2ffont\x3e\x3c\x2fspan\x3e\x3c\x2fdiv\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cdiv\x3e\x3cspan class\x3d\x22EC_EC_EC_EC_190462216-20032008\x22\x3e\x3cfont face\x3dAri al color\x3d\x22\x230000ff\x22\x3e\x3c\x2ffont\x3e\x3c\x2fspan\x3e\u00a0\x3c\x2fdiv\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cdiv\x3e\x3cspan class\x3d\x22EC_EC_EC_EC_190462216-20032008\x22\x3e\x3cfont face\x3dArial color\x3d\x22\x230000ff\x22\x3eIt shipped U! PS ground on the 13th.\x3c\x2ffont\x3e\x3c\x2fspan\x3e\x3c\x2fdiv\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cdiv\x3e\u00a0\x3c\x2fdiv\x3eTom Brucker\u00a0 csm\x3cbr\x3eHi Tech Service\x3cbr\x3e2934 Nolensville Rd.\x3cbr\x3eNashville, TN 37211\x3cbr\x3e615-331-9241\x3cbr\x3ehitech\x40bellsouth.net \x3cbr\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cblockquote\x3e\x0d\x0a\x3cdiv class\x3d\x22EC_EC_EC_EC_OutlookMessageHeader\x22 dir\x3dltr align\x3dleft\x3e\x3cfont face\x3dTahoma\x3e-----Original Message-----\x3cbr\x3e\x3cb\x3eFrom\x3a\x3c\x2fb\x3e RICHARD FIne \x5bmailto\x3arich_121\x40msn.com\x5d\x3cbr\x3e\x3cb\x3eSent\x3a\x3c\x2fb\x3e Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11\x3a22 AM\x3cbr\x3e\x3cb\x3eTo\x3a\x3c\x2fb\x3e hitech\x40bellsouth.net\x3cbr\x3e\x3cb\x3eSubject\x3a\x3c\x2fb\x3e When will you ship the Dragon\x3f\ x3cbr\x3e\x3cbr\x3e\x3c\x2ffont\x3e\x3c\x2fdiv\x3eTom,\x3cbr\x3eIt has been 13 days since you called me and said that the work needed on the Dragon was finished, and that you were shipping it.\x3cbr\x3eI haven\x27t recieved ne! ither the Dragon or a tracking number\x3f\x3cbr\x3e\u00a0\x3cb! r\x3eRic hard Fine\x3cbr\x3e\x3c\x2fblockquote\x3e\x3c\x2fblockquote\x3e\x3c\x2fblockquote\x3e\x3c\x2fblockquote\x3e\x3c\x2fblockquote\x3e\x0d\x0a'; Want to race through your inbox even faster? Try the full version of Qwest Mail. (It's free, too.) © 2006 Microsoft Privacy Legal Help Central Account Feedback Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 12 21:13:02 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] PLease Beware! Ebay and others! In-Reply-To: <8CA6A89E20C57C1-B40-46B1@webmail-db12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <621828.78221.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Ben. I shall try Willie Herman on my ZXL . I am sure you are trying the ZX9 transplant of the motor into the ZXL. Yep, I heard your Limited is done! That paves way for mine on the bench at ESL! Its another month or so away. Let us know of the Limited Ben. Regards, Ram benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: Hi Ram, I have indeed had good and bad. The bad ones I have dealt with and those that remain outstanding, will be followed up until I am satisfied. Usually I try to do my own work, but I recently sent a problematical ZX-9 to Willy Hermann for expert attention. Not only did he do a first class job, but it was back home here in New Zealand 20 days after I shipped it. (RESPECT) He is now working on another project for me which will progress further once we find a suitable donor ZX-9 deck !!! Two more techs have two of my other decks. ESL are about to ship one, and Tom is working on the other one. I have had much advice and help from members of this forum but in particular Ron, Willy and Tom, to whom I am most grateful. These guys really are very generous. I would also like to thank those that offer parts for sale and those that report details of satisfactory substitute parts. It would be much harder to manage without them. What a great place this is. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 3:54 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] PLease Beware! Ebay and others! Dan et al, You bet I shall, but if positive I shall mention the technician by name. Ben you should come forth too my friend with good and bad experiences. I am sure you have had both good and bad. Regards, Ram ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: Ram if you have had good experiences please also let us know as well. So important! dan -------------- Original message from shanti ramachandran : -------------- John (and other fellow potential candidates for rip off), Thanks for the very interesting information that you have mentioned about this eBay seller. Great service. In the same token I would very discretely ( like our Nak decks!) warn members here about some individual/s( I shall not mention names due to obvious reasons) who take on repair jobs or other Nak assignments from the gullible ones here( like me) promising the sky and not coming through for a long time. All you hear is talk and more talk of what all they did to the machine, request for money ( for work done or for parts!) etc.etc.. and its a yeomen task to get ones machines back from them. Please be wary because there is potential to lose the machines along with prepaid moneys ( for parts! and service done thus far!) and/or the decks themselves. Unfortunately these individuals have a very good knowledge of Nak decks, but are on the easy money path! In one such instance, it became so bad that I had to threaten law enforcement to be able to pick up my decks and it was not worth the whole deal. Moreover, all the so called mods and hundreds of hours of work was nowhere there ( nothing done in 10+ months!) on the deck when procured back. I ended up losing the advance paid plus close to $1000 in shipping charges ( yes $1000) to ship to a far away land! Moreover, despite waiting endlessly, when the repairer heard of me sending my 2 decks to ESL, he had temper tantrums! He gave me hell verbally. Having said that,t I would want to commend folks like like Kannan, who came forthright when asked about service that he may take a long time and does not like to be asked as to the status and never promised the sky. Thanks Kannan, for being straight forward. Your type is a rarity these days! I finally, gave 2 of my beloved decks to ESL( YES ESL) last February for a total overhaul, because after spending money and being ripped off, I thought its better to play it safe locally and get it done right. I learned from my own experience. I hope you folks learn from mine! Regards and be careful. Ram johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi NakTalkers I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the group - I'll say sorry in advance. Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was attracted to a CR-7E on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. This was because the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all accounts looked difficult to deal with - so I figured there wouldn't be a lot of bidding. Added to this was the fact that the unit was in Canada and a 240V version - so a lot of the potential market for a CR-7 or CR-7A wouldn't have been interested. I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for $214US. The seller wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - a bit high, but fair enough. He would only accept an international money order, and this was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if there's any common sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't break, please tell me so I'll know next time. He acknowledged receipt of the $364US (naturally there were other costs - the money order, and an express courier service) - and advised on Xmas Eve that the item had been dispatched with a ten week expected delivery - and that there was no tracking. By the time it was obvious that the item had never been despatched, it was also too late to file a complaint with eBay. Western Union weren't interested - they didn't bother replying to a request for further information. In the last month or so, I have been given the names and email addresses of five other "victims" of this guy - so there's no doubt in my mind that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller on eBay. So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I hope others can learn something from it as well. I'd like to share the small amount of information I have on this guy, in the hope that it might be helpful to others, and also in the hope that someone might be able to give me more information about him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone at all. Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact information for the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd... Contact Information for rare_films_dvd : User ID: rare_films_dvd Name: bayati kosro Company: City: outremont State/Territory: QC Country: Canada Phone: (307) 200-4501 Registered Since: Monday, Jan 30, 2006 10:27:11 PST His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for the Western Union Money Order to be made out to "Cyrus" - the signature that came back was "Cyrus Kane" So... If you know anything about him, please let me know. If you are buying anything from him - don't. If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!! And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction. 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Message-ID: I am still trying to get in contact with Scott Johnson who has my ZX-7 for over 13 months. Once again, the last I heard from him was Nov. 13th in an email stating that he'll send the deck back Nov. 28th. I have not heard from him since. I tried every form of contact - emails and thru his ad on Ebay selling his remote units. What I need is his phone number! I do believe someone on this list has it. This is a stressful situation since I valued the ZX-7 at $500 thru shipment insurance. Scott received the deck 3/9/07 and I keep the receipt taped to my computer monitor. I don't want to put these kind of postings on Naktalk, but this is an unusual situation. When it comes to servicing Naks, I guess honesty is on top of the list. Ron again gave good advice via a letter to the police station. This is how I feel on the subject that Scott has not been returned the deck back to me: Whether Scott still has it, whether it has been stolen, whether an elephant sat on it, whether Scott sent it to the wrong person, whether whatever! I wish Scott would be man enough and let me know what's going on! Serial number on this ZX-7: A124 14038 SCOTT - ARE YOU OUT THERE?!!!!!!!!!! Please respond!!!!!!!!!! For crying out loud!!!! > Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 09:47:54 -0400> From: ra.ah at rcn.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay> > > Have you tried to call his phone number? Have you tried> to send a letter to the police station at his location (fraud> section)? Probably, both are a waste of time, but who> knows?> > -- Ron> > > > johngipps at aol.com wrote:> > Hi NakTalkers> >> > I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the group - I'll say > > sorry in advance.> >> > Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was attracted to a CR-7E > > on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. This was because > > the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all accounts looked > > difficult to deal with - so I figured there wouldn't be a lot of > > bidding. Added to this was the fact that the unit was in Canada and a > > 240V version - so a lot of the potential market for a CR-7 or CR-7A > > wouldn't have been interested.> >> > I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for $214US. The seller > > wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - a bit high, but > > fair enough. He would only accept an international money order, and > > this was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if there's any > > common sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't break, please tell > > me so I'll know next time. He acknowledged receipt of the $364US > > (naturally there were other costs - the money order, and an express > > courier service) - and advised on Xmas Eve that the item had been > > dispatched with a ten week expected delivery - and that there was no > > tracking. By the time it was obvious that the item had never been > > despatched, it was also too late to file a complaint with eBay. > > Western Union weren't interested - they didn't bother replying to a > > request for further information.> >> > In the last month or so, I have been given the names and email > > addresses of five other 'victims' of this guy - so there's no doubt in > > my mind that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller on eBay.> >> > So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I hope others can > > learn something from it as well. I'd like to share the small amount of > > information I have on this guy, in the hope that it might be helpful > > to others, and also in the hope that someone might be able to give me > > more information about him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone > > at all.> >> > Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact information for > > the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd...> >> > Contact Information for rare_films_dvd :> >> > User ID: rare_films_dvd> > Name: bayati kosro> > Company: > > City: outremont> > State/Territory: QC> > Country: Canada> > Phone: (307) 200-4501> > Registered Since: Monday, Jan 30, 2006 10:27:11 PST> >> > His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for the > > Western Union Money Order to be made out to 'Cyrus' - the signature > > that came back was 'Cyrus Kane'> >> > So...> >> > If you know anything about him, please let me know.> > If you are buying anything from him - don't.> > If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!!> >> > And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction.> >> > Regards> >> > John Gipps> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> > Get the MapQuest Toolbar > > , Maps, > > Traffic, Directions & More!> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jberger at well.com Sun Apr 13 06:17:29 2008 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS In-Reply-To: <200804101000.m3AA0TNq005669@zxe.naks.com> References: <200804101000.m3AA0TNq005669@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Fred, First, thanks for making the offer to Naktalk members. I'm sure that several members were, like me, not interested in buying five belts; perhaps one or two, in my case, so I didn't take advantage of the offer. I'll probably pick up the ones I need through your eBay listing, though. Perhaps your expectations of a quick return were somewhat higher than the market would bear in a short time, but there is a long tail to the market, and eBay listings are relatively inexpensive. Second, please consider a carriage return or two, both in your Naktalk postings, and your eBay ads. Long, run-on paragraphs make it hard to find the relevant details, and I've found in my eBay sales that a good description can make a 25% improvement in the price you get. John > > Message: 16 > Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:03:00 -0500 > From: Marrs Communications > > Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <47FD20F4.2090608 at marrscommunications.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Hello to all members! > > I want to thank everyone who took advantage of the "Special" for Naktalk > members, on the 8096-D Capstan Belt. Those orders are very much > appreciated! I am however, somewhat disappointed in the number of belts > sold. With the test results checking out at Spec or VERY close to Spec, > I was sure I would have everyone's Support and have to order a truck > load. Regardless of what you might think, I started this project at > considerable cost. This belt had not been produced by my manufacturer, > since his last contract with Nakamichi. He did not renew with them due > to them Not making the minimum purchases they agreed upon in their > contract. No, their was not a quality issue with his product! In fact, > he was told by Nakamichi HIS belts "checked out better than the rest of > their vendors" ! Please keep in mind, Nakamichi was trying to convince > him to "stay onboard" and continue to be a vendor to them. He refused ( > I got updated on this ), because this was the 2nd TIME they did not > live up to their agreed upon, minimum purchases in the contract. I do > not know what else I can say to make everyone feel comfortable with the > FACT, this is not just another belt. This belt can be tested 1000 times > and you will receive 1000 different findings. Also, I did not demand > that the Direction arrow be stamped on the belt because of COST savings. > The factory told me in their experience, while doing this for Nakamichi, > reversing the belt, Might, Might, improve the measurements by 0.01 to > 0.02 if THAT, and since the difference was so small, in his opinion > was a total waste of time and energy AND also drove the cost of the belt > up! Has anyone reversed my belt and checked the difference? I am Sure > Nakamichi published the VERY BEST wow/flutter, distortion and frequency > response results, they could POSSIBLY get. You would Think? What % of > machines manufactured did NOT spec out THAT well? What were the Specs on > the Worst Machines manufactured? Is YOURS one of them? Something we > will never know. Look, This can go on and on and on. I am a realist! > There is not one Human on this planet, that can hear the difference in > *.01 / .02 ABOVE or BELOW Factory Specifications. If you think you Can, > you better RE think. It's like buying a $2,000, 6 gage high tech power > cord for your amp. You swear you can hear the difference, but what did > you do about the 14 gage ROMEX in the wall, or the fact the power lines > coming into your home are not 99.8% Oxygen Free? Enough of that. I have > a decision to make. I am committed to placing 1 more order for the > 8096-D until the deal "locks in". Due to the shrinking U.S. Dollar, if > I placed a order today, my cost will increase by 23% ! So, do I keep > screwing with this, or go back to the original belt I was using in the > kits? ( Which Dam near met Spec). My understanding about this Whole > belt thing, was everybody wanted a belt that spec:ed out or Dam near, > at a reasonable cost? Was I MISTAKEN? ( The price will NOT be reduced > in the near future. Especially at this rate of sales). It's what I > CALL, return on investment. Thank you again for the purchases that > were made! Also, I currently have a 10 day sale on the OCO-8096-D > listed on eBay for $20.00. Buy 1 or Buy 100. Best Regards to All, Fred M. > > From leicasl2 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 14 03:53:20 2008 From: leicasl2 at hotmail.com (Mark Bates) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:53:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi repair Message-ID: I have a NAK CR-7A, ZX-7 and a 582 that I would like to have serviced. They all work fine but could use a CLA I am sure. Who can work on my decks? I have used Stephen Sank in the past but do not know if he is still working on cassette decks. Any help will be appreciated. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE. _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_getintouch_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I had purchased an original ebay belt set for my RX-505. That belt, while cassettes sounded fine, caused the capstan motor to be louder than it was. He offered to replace THAT belt with a new 8096D belt. I put one one each of my 2 RX-505's and they both sound GREAT. Both motors are quieter and I hear NO W&F at all. I'm happy, and don't hesitate to recommend him. Perry Esposito **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 13:36:53 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:36:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi repair In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10804140436p11dc8872s40ad60dc5a0b9597@mail.gmail.com> Based on your remark about Stephen Sank one could guess that you are in the US, however a more specific location would facilitate more suitable recommendations. On 4/14/08, Mark Bates wrote: > I have a NAK CR-7A, ZX-7 and a 582 that I would like to have serviced. They > all work fine but could use a CLA I am sure. Who can work on my decks? I > have used Stephen Sank in the past but do not know if he is still working on > cassette decks. Any help will be appreciated. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE. > ________________________________ > Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From orders at pennysconstruction.com Mon Apr 14 14:26:44 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:26:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] VERY Slack..... References: <041420080209.13689.4802BCE20000A6770000357922155754749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Click on the sellers feedback score (the number right next to his seller ID), check the 4th feedback down. It is nearly the same item. Same description, and using the same ebay auction number to see a picture of "a nearly identical unit" What I think about that, he bid on his own item, to raise the price, and won. The seller has more than 600 positive's so he must be doing something right, but he also has 16 negatives, so he is doing something wrong, too. Another thing to note is, he got a negative, and retaliated with a negative back. There for he is the type of seller that does not leave feedback unless the buyer does first. Also no paypal excepted (Bad). From a guy who refused to get paypal (I was forced) to a guy who loves it now. If you check his feedbacks, and then check the items, he has a history of using other peoples auctions for there pictures, and he used to list the serial numbers in the auctions (note he didn't in this one). He also has good answers to peoples question's and has offered local pick up buyers to test the equipment at the time of pick up. I also doubt he can fully test any equipment, and I wonder if he even tried more then a simple play test. That said, IMO he doesn't seem like too bad a guy, just a guy with no camera. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] VERY Slack..... > > One of the slackest auctions I've run across.... > > The first two sentences of the item description say it all.... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-CASSETTE-DECK-Cost-2-500-EXCELLENT_W0QQitemZ360042825379QQihZ023QQcategoryZ3284QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon Apr 14 12:07:33 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:07:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS In-Reply-To: References: <200804101000.m3AA0TNq005669@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <48032CE5.1040302@marrscommunications.com> Hi John, I appreciate your comments about the 8096-D. Yes the listings have ended up being lengthy over the past few months. Since the beginning, I have attempted to answer repetitive questions I was ask by "prospects" in the listings. In doing so they have ended up this way. 25% of the information is directed to my international customers. "Airmail" no longer exist as a option from the US. There really is no reasonably priced shipping method from the US any longer, that provides a speedy delivery and offers protection to the seller if the package is lost. PayPal demands the package be "trackable" for proof of shipment. The cost to "Register" a package with US mail is $10.00 and Priority runs another $15.00. 1st Class service "has taken" 45 days on 1 or 2 occasions which is absolutely ridiculous. I have plans to restructure the complete program in the next 30 days or so. It also appears I am going to be forced to deal with the shrinking US Dollar. The main reason the listings are lengthily is making the point of why my kits are $20 and a competitors is $10.00. Most buyers have no idea, most of the product comes from the same 3-4 "vendors" in the United States. Again, thanks for the suggestions. Fred M. John Berger wrote: >Fred, > >First, thanks for making the offer to Naktalk members. I'm sure that >several members were, like me, not interested in buying five belts; >perhaps one or two, in my case, so I didn't take advantage of the offer. >I'll probably pick up the ones I need through your eBay listing, though. > >Perhaps your expectations of a quick return were somewhat higher than the >market would bear in a short time, but there is a long tail to the market, >and eBay listings are relatively inexpensive. > >Second, please consider a carriage return or two, both in your Naktalk >postings, and your eBay ads. Long, run-on paragraphs make it hard to find >the relevant details, and I've found in my eBay sales that a good >description can make a 25% improvement in the price you get. > >John > > > >>Message: 16 >>Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:03:00 -0500 >>From: Marrs Communications >> >>Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Message-ID: <47FD20F4.2090608 at marrscommunications.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >>Hello to all members! >> >>I want to thank everyone who took advantage of the "Special" for Naktalk >>members, on the 8096-D Capstan Belt. Those orders are very much >>appreciated! I am however, somewhat disappointed in the number of belts >>sold. With the test results checking out at Spec or VERY close to Spec, >>I was sure I would have everyone's Support and have to order a truck >>load. Regardless of what you might think, I started this project at >>considerable cost. This belt had not been produced by my manufacturer, >>since his last contract with Nakamichi. He did not renew with them due >>to them Not making the minimum purchases they agreed upon in their >>contract. No, their was not a quality issue with his product! In fact, >>he was told by Nakamichi HIS belts "checked out better than the rest of >>their vendors" ! Please keep in mind, Nakamichi was trying to convince >>him to "stay onboard" and continue to be a vendor to them. He refused ( >>I got updated on this ), because this was the 2nd TIME they did not >>live up to their agreed upon, minimum purchases in the contract. I do >>not know what else I can say to make everyone feel comfortable with the >>FACT, this is not just another belt. This belt can be tested 1000 times >>and you will receive 1000 different findings. Also, I did not demand >>that the Direction arrow be stamped on the belt because of COST savings. >>The factory told me in their experience, while doing this for Nakamichi, >>reversing the belt, Might, Might, improve the measurements by 0.01 to >>0.02 if THAT, and since the difference was so small, in his opinion >>was a total waste of time and energy AND also drove the cost of the belt >>up! Has anyone reversed my belt and checked the difference? I am Sure >>Nakamichi published the VERY BEST wow/flutter, distortion and frequency >>response results, they could POSSIBLY get. You would Think? What % of >>machines manufactured did NOT spec out THAT well? What were the Specs on >>the Worst Machines manufactured? Is YOURS one of them? Something we >>will never know. Look, This can go on and on and on. I am a realist! >>There is not one Human on this planet, that can hear the difference in >>*.01 / .02 ABOVE or BELOW Factory Specifications. If you think you Can, >>you better RE think. It's like buying a $2,000, 6 gage high tech power >>cord for your amp. You swear you can hear the difference, but what did >>you do about the 14 gage ROMEX in the wall, or the fact the power lines >>coming into your home are not 99.8% Oxygen Free? Enough of that. I have >>a decision to make. I am committed to placing 1 more order for the >>8096-D until the deal "locks in". Due to the shrinking U.S. Dollar, if >>I placed a order today, my cost will increase by 23% ! So, do I keep >>screwing with this, or go back to the original belt I was using in the >>kits? ( Which Dam near met Spec). My understanding about this Whole >>belt thing, was everybody wanted a belt that spec:ed out or Dam near, >>at a reasonable cost? Was I MISTAKEN? ( The price will NOT be reduced >>in the near future. Especially at this rate of sales). It's what I >>CALL, return on investment. Thank you again for the purchases that >>were made! Also, I currently have a 10 day sale on the OCO-8096-D >>listed on eBay for $20.00. Buy 1 or Buy 100. Best Regards to All, Fred M. >> >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Apr 14 15:21:10 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi repair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <927276.14897.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> They are all great decks. I would recommend Willy Hermann if he has time. Thanks. Mike Mark Bates wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } I have a NAK CR-7A, ZX-7 and a 582 that I would like to have serviced. They all work fine but could use a CLA I am sure. Who can work on my decks? I have used Stephen Sank in the past but do not know if he is still working on cassette decks. Any help will be appreciated. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE. --------------------------------- Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 15:25:47 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:25:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] VERY Slack..... In-Reply-To: <041420080209.13689.4802BCE20000A6770000357922155754749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <041420080209.13689.4802BCE20000A6770000357922155754749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: I've reported this auction to ebay - it's against ebay policy to charge an extra fee for some forms of payment. The seller wants 2% extra if paying via PayPal. Poor feedback, no pictures of the item, charging extra for PayPal - this guy is a moron. On 4/13/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > One of the slackest auctions I've run across.... > > The first two sentences of the item description say it all.... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-DRAGON-CASSETTE-DECK-Cost-2-500-EXCELLENT_W0QQitemZ360042825379QQihZ023QQcategoryZ3284QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Mon Apr 14 15:40:19 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:40:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] REPAIR ASSISTANCE NEEDED - 680 Meters Don't Work References: <041320081332.23032.48020B7A00033FEF000059F822165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003301c89e35$1477a5e0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Hello Andy I am unfamiliar with the actual circuit that your working with but might be able to give you some direction on what to look for. I am an automotive mechanic by trade and have run into a few non-working flourescent displays(dash boards,opera lights etc.). In most of my cases the bulbs are driven with a high AC voltage ( I think it was around 70 volts) usually produced by a pair of matched transisters that oscillate the 12v Dc into a transformer to step it up. It is VERY critical that these two transisters be exactly right or the circuit will not work. Hope this helps Rainer Sahlmueller (80stech) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 7:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] REPAIR ASSISTANCE NEEDED - 680 Meters Don't Work > > Hello Everyone: > > Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later. I have a repair job that > I just cannot figure out. > > Brian kindly trusted me to work on his Nakamichi 680. The deck is in > solid mechanical and electronic condition, with only one problem. The > fluorescent meters don't light up. > > I have replaced C901, C902, and C903 on Indicator PCB Assembly "C". > Curiously, C901 and C902 had already been replaced, but I decided to > replace them with my own known good components. > > Replacing those three capacitors did nothing to fix the problem. > > I have verified that approximately 2.5v AC is reaching pins 1 and 49 (the > first and last pins) of the actual fluorescent unit. > > I have also verified that all DC voltages indicated in the service manual > schematics for Indicator PCB Assemblies "A", "B", and "C" are OK. > > I have even checked and verified all transistors, diodes, and resistors on > Indicator PCB Assemblies "A", "B", and "C". > > The only anomaly I have been able to find is *slightly* low voltages > coming to the fluorescent meter PCB through connector CN-5. This > connector runs directly to the fluorescent meter PCB from the deck's Logic > board. If I recall correctly, this controls the RAMM section of the > fluorescent display, so even this is probably a blind alley. > > The negative DC voltage on pin 9 of CN-5 is OK (approximately -37.5v DC), > but voltages on pins 1 through 8 are a bit low...but I don't even know if > they are TOO low to operate. Just low. Pins 1 through 8 have a low AC > voltage on them. On other decks I have measured the AC voltage on pins 1 > through 8 in the range of .165mV AC to .415mV AC. Pins 1 through 8 on > CN-5 of this deck all measure between .068mV and .088mV. > > It's really strange...unless I am overlooking something big, I have > checked everything out, and everything checks out OK. The meter display > JUST....DOESN'T....WORK. > > Everything else about this deck is fine. > > If I can't figure this out, this will be the first time I return a deck to > someone without fixing the problem. I would hate for this to happen, so I > have decided to put this problem in front of all of you, to see if you > have ever encountered a similar situation. > > Any info would be very much appreciated, > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 14 15:50:51 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:50:51 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - 1 ADDITION Message-ID: <14701204.1208181051521.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 14 16:13:36 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:13:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk]Shipping Dragons Message-ID: <13373521.1208182416714.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 14 16:21:47 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:21:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS In-Reply-To: References: <200804101000.m3AA0TNq005669@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <041420081421.6071.4803687A0002CC70000017B722243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Same boat here, I think it is great that Fred has made these availble to the group. However, I only need one or two belts of each type therefore passed for now. Also, I might go the online route but will standby for the computer issue to resolve. dino -------------- Original message from John Berger : -------------- > Fred, > > First, thanks for making the offer to Naktalk members. I'm sure that > several members were, like me, not interested in buying five belts; > perhaps one or two, in my case, so I didn't take advantage of the offer. > I'll probably pick up the ones I need through your eBay listing, though. > > Perhaps your expectations of a quick return were somewhat higher than the > market would bear in a short time, but there is a long tail to the market, > and eBay listings are relatively inexpensive. > > Second, please consider a carriage return or two, both in your Naktalk > postings, and your eBay ads. Long, run-on paragraphs make it hard to find > the relevant details, and I've found in my eBay sales that a good > description can make a 25% improvement in the price you get. > > John > > > > > Message: 16 > > Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:03:00 -0500 > > From: Marrs Communications > > > > Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: <47FD20F4.2090608 at marrscommunications.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > > > Hello to all members! > > > > I want to thank everyone who took advantage of the "Special" for Naktalk > > members, on the 8096-D Capstan Belt. Those orders are very much > > appreciated! I am however, somewhat disappointed in the number of belts > > sold. With the test results checking out at Spec or VERY close to Spec, > > I was sure I would have everyone's Support and have to order a truck > > load. Regardless of what you might think, I started this project at > > considerable cost. This belt had not been produced by my manufacturer, > > since his last contract with Nakamichi. He did not renew with them due > > to them Not making the minimum purchases they agreed upon in their > > contract. No, their was not a quality issue with his product! In fact, > > he was told by Nakamichi HIS belts "checked out better than the rest of > > their vendors" ! Please keep in mind, Nakamichi was trying to convince > > him to "stay onboard" and continue to be a vendor to them. He refused ( > > I got updated on this ), because this was the 2nd TIME they did not > > live up to their agreed upon, minimum purchases in the contract. I do > > not know what else I can say to make everyone feel comfortable with the > > FACT, this is not just another belt. This belt can be tested 1000 times > > and you will receive 1000 different findings. Also, I did not demand > > that the Direction arrow be stamped on the belt because of COST savings. > > The factory told me in their experience, while doing this for Nakamichi, > > reversing the belt, Might, Might, improve the measurements by 0.01 to > > 0.02 if THAT, and since the difference was so small, in his opinion > > was a total waste of time and energy AND also drove the cost of the belt > > up! Has anyone reversed my belt and checked the difference? I am Sure > > Nakamichi published the VERY BEST wow/flutter, distortion and frequency > > response results, they could POSSIBLY get. You would Think? What % of > > machines manufactured did NOT spec out THAT well? What were the Specs on > > the Worst Machines manufactured? Is YOURS one of them? Something we > > will never know. Look, This can go on and on and on. I am a realist! > > There is not one Human on this planet, that can hear the difference in > > *.01 / .02 ABOVE or BELOW Factory Specifications. If you think you Can, > > you better RE think. It's like buying a $2,000, 6 gage high tech power > > cord for your amp. You swear you can hear the difference, but what did > > you do about the 14 gage ROMEX in the wall, or the fact the power lines > > coming into your home are not 99.8% Oxygen Free? Enough of that. I have > > a decision to make. I am committed to placing 1 more order for the > > 8096-D until the deal "locks in". Due to the shrinking U.S. Dollar, if > > I placed a order today, my cost will increase by 23% ! So, do I keep > > screwing with this, or go back to the original belt I was using in the > > kits? ( Which Dam near met Spec). My understanding about this Whole > > belt thing, was everybody wanted a belt that spec:ed out or Dam near, > > at a reasonable cost? Was I MISTAKEN? ( The price will NOT be reduced > > in the near future. Especially at this rate of sales). It's what I > > CALL, return on investment. Thank you again for the purchases that > > were made! Also, I currently have a 10 day sale on the OCO-8096-D > > listed on eBay for $20.00. Buy 1 or Buy 100. Best Regards to All, Fred M. > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 14 16:29:09 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:29:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Need Contact with Scott Johnson!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <041420081429.3112.48036A3300099D2D00000C2822243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> If you have his address, might not an in person visit save a lot of anxiety and answer your questions... -------------- Original message from Mark Exstedt : -------------- I am still trying to get in contact with Scott Johnson who has my ZX-7 for over 13 months. Once again, the last I heard from him was Nov. 13th in an email stating that he'll send the deck back Nov. 28th. I have not heard from him since. I tried every form of contact - emails and thru his ad on Ebay selling his remote units. What I need is his phone number! I do believe someone on this list has it. This is a stressful situation since I valued the ZX-7 at $500 thru shipment insurance. Scott received the deck 3/9/07 and I keep the receipt taped to my computer monitor. I don't want to put these kind of postings on Naktalk, but this is an unusual situation. When it comes to servicing Naks, I guess honesty is on top of the list. Ron again gave good advice via a letter to the police station. This is how I feel on the subject that Scott has not been returned the deck back to me: Whether Scott still has it, whether it has been stolen, whether an elephant sat on it, whether Scott sent it to the wrong person, whether whatever! I wish Scott would be man enough and let me know what's going on! Serial number on this ZX-7: A124 14038 SCOTT - ARE YOU OUT THERE?!!!!!!!!!! Please respond!!!!!!!!!! For crying out loud!!!! > Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 09:47:54 -0400 > From: ra.ah at rcn.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] How not to buy on eBay > > > Have you tried to call his phone number? Have you tried > to send a letter to the police station at his location (fraud > section)? Probably, both are a waste of time, but who > knows? > > -- Ron > > > > johngipps at aol.com wrote: > > Hi NakTalkers > > > > I hope this email doesn't break every rule of the group - I'll say > > sorry in advance. > > > > Late last year I did a really dumb thing - I was attracted to a CR-7E > > on eBay and had reason to believe it would go cheap. This was because > > the guy had a terrible feedback rating, and by all accounts looked > > difficult to deal with - so I figured there wouldn't be a lot of > > bidding. Added to this was the fact that the unit was in Canada and a > > 240V version - so a lot of the potential market for a CR-7 or CR-7A > > wouldn't have been interested. > > > > I was right - not a lot of bidders - I won it for $214US. The seller > > wanted $150US for freight and handling to Australia - a bit high, but > > fair enough. He would only accept an international money order, and > > this was sent to a Post Office Box in Montreal. Now if there's any > > common sense rule of sensible buying that I didn't break, please tell > > me so I'll know next time. He acknowledged receipt of the $364US > > (naturally there were other costs - the money order, and an express > > courier service) - and advised on Xmas Eve that the item had been > > dispatched with a ten week expected delivery - and that there was no > > tracking. By the time it was obvious that the item had never been > > despatched, it was also too late to file a complaint with eBay. > > Western Union weren't interested - they didn't bother replying to a > > request for further information. > > > > In the last month or so, I have been given the names and email > > addresses of five other 'victims' of this guy - so there's no doubt in > > my mind that he's just a crook. He is no longer a seller on eBay. > > > > So all I got for my money was a valuable lesson. I hope others can > > learn something from it as well. I'd like to share the small amount of > > information I have on this guy, in the hope that it might be helpful > > to others, and also in the hope that someone might be able to give me > > more information about him. Feel free to forward this email to anyone > > at all. > > > > Earlier in the proceedings, eBay advised me of contact information for > > the seller - his eBay name was rare_films_dvd... > > > > Contact Information for rare_films_dvd : > > > > User ID: rare_films_dvd > > Name: bayati kosro > > Company: > > City: outremont > > State/Territory: QC > > Country: Canada > > Phone: (307) 200-4501 > > Registered Since: Monday, Jan 30, 2006 10:27:11 PST > > > > His email address is outofprintfilms at yahoo.com and he asked for the > > Western Union Money Order to be made out to 'Cyrus' - the signature > > that came back was 'Cyrus Kane' > > > > So... > > > > If you know anything about him, please let me know. > > If you are buying anything from him - don't. > > If you have his CR-7E for repair - send it to me - I own it!!!! > > > > And last of all, don't do the stupid things I did in this transaction. > > > > Regards > > > > John Gipps > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get the MapQuest Toolbar > > , Maps, > > Traffic, Directions & More! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. Get started! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 14 16:40:06 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:40:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] REPAIR ASSISTANCE NEEDED - 680 Meters Don't Work Message-ID: <18451152.1208184006663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Andy, You have all the essentials to light up the display, so look at the glass itself, especially around the nipple. Whomever replaced the caps may have broken the tube. You might also look at the display with the room lights off. I have seen a few Pioneer Fl displays that are quite dim due to age. Check for clock on IC907 pin 10 and data on IC907 pins 2,3,4,5,6,9,12,13. I'm not sure what it does but ZD903 shifts voltage level from 12v to 5v for the display cathodes. I have a working 680 so let me know if you can use any measurements. My vision for NakTalk is that technicians can seek and share technical support. Bala is assisting me with Ben's 1000ZXL with no record bias (erase is ok). tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Apr 13, 2008 8:32 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] REPAIR ASSISTANCE NEEDED - 680 Meters Don't Work > > >Hello Everyone: > >Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later. I have a repair job that I just cannot figure out. > >Brian kindly trusted me to work on his Nakamichi 680. The deck is in solid mechanical and electronic condition, with only one problem. The fluorescent meters don't light up. > >I have replaced C901, C902, and C903 on Indicator PCB Assembly "C". Curiously, C901 and C902 had already been replaced, but I decided to replace them with my own known good components. > >Replacing those three capacitors did nothing to fix the problem. > >I have verified that approximately 2.5v AC is reaching pins 1 and 49 (the first and last pins) of the actual fluorescent unit. > >I have also verified that all DC voltages indicated in the service manual schematics for Indicator PCB Assemblies "A", "B", and "C" are OK. > >I have even checked and verified all transistors, diodes, and resistors on Indicator PCB Assemblies "A", "B", and "C". > >The only anomaly I have been able to find is *slightly* low voltages coming to the fluorescent meter PCB through connector CN-5. This connector runs directly to the fluorescent meter PCB from the deck's Logic board. If I recall correctly, this controls the RAMM section of the fluorescent display, so even this is probably a blind alley. > >The negative DC voltage on pin 9 of CN-5 is OK (approximately -37.5v DC), but voltages on pins 1 through 8 are a bit low...but I don't even know if they are TOO low to operate. Just low. Pins 1 through 8 have a low AC voltage on them. On other decks I have measured the AC voltage on pins 1 through 8 in the range of .165mV AC to .415mV AC. Pins 1 through 8 on CN-5 of this deck all measure between .068mV and .088mV. > >It's really strange...unless I am overlooking something big, I have checked everything out, and everything checks out OK. The meter display JUST....DOESN'T....WORK. > >Everything else about this deck is fine. > >If I can't figure this out, this will be the first time I return a deck to someone without fixing the problem. I would hate for this to happen, so I have decided to put this problem in front of all of you, to see if you have ever encountered a similar situation. > >Any info would be very much appreciated, > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 14 16:50:09 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:50:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller Pivot / Flywheel Lubrication Message-ID: <18160210.1208184609215.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 14 16:53:50 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:53:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS Message-ID: <27987883.1208184830467.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Mon Apr 14 17:23:45 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:23:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon back from service In-Reply-To: <21150295.1207941038200.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Tom. I will give this a try and let you know the results. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:11 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon back from service Remove the top cover. On the right side of the transport is a black plastic housing. On its rear you will see a semicircular slot with a white pointer. When the cassette door is open, the pointer should be in the middle. Load a recorded tape and press play. The pointer should move as you hear the sound of a motor running. Press reverse play anf the pointer should move to a different position. If the pointer does not move check the 2 wires to the motor. They are on a 2 pin plug that is accessed after removing the bottom cover and removing 3 screws and hinging down the board beind the output knob. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ess Sent: Apr 10, 2008 3:49 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon back from service Hi, I got my Dragon back from service here in NYC. Somehow, I don't feel right about the deck. Is there a way to see if the NACC has been disabled? The faint tick tick tick is now gone (the tech said he replaced idler tire) but upon playing a tape, the NACC blinks and then pauses then blinks again. Then the light stops blinking. Since I don't have anything to compare to, how quiet is the Dragon transport? If I put my ear next to the deck, I hear a quiet hiss when in play or record. Is this normal? 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Get Windows Live Messenger now. _________________________________________________________________ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From modernizy at netscape.net Mon Apr 14 20:02:36 2008 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:02:36 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 'Naktalk Special' Sale Shipping Started? References: <47FFFC94.7050002@marrscommunications.com> <48001C82.6050907@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <003801c89e59$d3889240$7548fea9@fwamd> Hello, Fred, Is my package on its way already? What about tracking number? With the very best wishes, Nikolay. Invoice Fred M Smith 25402 Holly Oaks Court Magnolia, TX 77355 United States 281-259-2159 marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Qty Item ID  Description Unit Price Amount 5 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT 20.00 100.00 1 CR-7A KIT 19.95 19.95 1 ZX-9 KIT 19.95 19.95 1 700 TRI KIT 23.95 23.95 Subtotal: 163.85 Currency is in U.S. Dollars (USD) Total: $163.85 USD -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Apr 14 20:14:36 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:14:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi repair Message-ID: In a message dated 4/14/2008 2:17:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, leicasl2 at hotmail.com writes: I have a NAK CR-7A, ZX-7 and a 582 that I would like to have serviced. They all work fine but could use a CLA I am sure. Who can work on my decks? I have used Stephen Sank in the past but do not know if he is still working on cassette decks. Any help will be appreciated. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE. Willy Hermann in Orinda, California does Nak repair. He's currently working on 2 decks for me. You can reach him at _willy at hermannity.com_ (mailto:willy at hermannity.com) & _willyherm at gmail.com_ (mailto:willyherm at gmail.com) Jeff W **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bluejets3 at comcast.net Tue Apr 15 01:06:09 2008 From: bluejets3 at comcast.net (Neville and Tracy) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:06:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Question Message-ID: <004f01c89e84$211783c0$63468b40$@net> The master fade button stays on all of the time during playback. I have tried simply pressing it a couple of times and also pressing master fade down, but it does not change. Master fade down does not operate in playback. Am I missing something or is there a problem with this deck? Thanks for your response in advance. Neville -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Apr 15 09:20:47 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:20:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] REPAIR ASSISTANCE NEEDED - 680 Meters Don't Work In-Reply-To: <18451152.1208184006663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2C5A06BE8A38415E9B81263B1360A45F@GrahamNPC> Just dropping by to say, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, WOUTER! Gra' From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Apr 15 02:01:39 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:01:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] VERY Slack..... In-Reply-To: References: <041420080209.13689.4802BCE20000A6770000357922155754749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080415000128.NWWT7068.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Apparently your complaint worked. The auction has been pulled. eBay must have been getting quite a few complaints about their lack of policing the auctions. Almost 90% of the auctions that I report based on their policies are removed within 24 hours. At 09:25 AM 4/14/2008, you wrote: >I've reported this auction to ebay - it's against ebay policy to >charge an extra fee for some forms of payment. The seller wants 2% >extra if paying via PayPal. Poor feedback, no pictures of the item, >charging extra for PayPal - this guy is a moron. From kulak at ozemail.com.au Tue Apr 15 02:07:38 2008 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:07:38 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Question References: <004f01c89e84$211783c0$63468b40$@net> Message-ID: <00db01c89e8c$b79dc7c0$6e00000a@corp.halex.com.au> Neville, The Master Fade only operates during th record process. Try recording something and see if it operates. steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Neville and Tracy To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Question The master fade button stays on all of the time during playback. I have tried simply pressing it a couple of times and also pressing master fade down, but it does not change. Master fade down does not operate in playback. Am I missing something or is there a problem with this deck? Thanks for your response in advance. Neville ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.brodsky at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 01:53:15 2008 From: james.brodsky at gmail.com (James Brodsky) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:53:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Repair for a 480 in Denver? Message-ID: <211ca5a30804141653p248c96c2rebfd80b0d1197098@mail.gmail.com> Hi - first time poster. I have a 480 that appears to have the very common issue of playing a tape nicely for about 5 seconds and then getting progressively muddier and muddier until the sound drops completely. Certain tapes as well become slightly eaten along one edge. I obviously have tape transport issues, but I don't want to dump a ton of money into this deck. Is there anyone in the Denver area recommended for repair? The deck once went to Sonic Sense (Marc Nutter) years ago but they no longer perform repairs. From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Tue Apr 15 02:30:52 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:30:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Question In-Reply-To: <004f01c89e84$211783c0$63468b40$@net> Message-ID: The fade is for recording only. It stays on all the time. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Neville and Tracy Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Question The master fade button stays on all of the time during playback. I have tried simply pressing it a couple of times and also pressing master fade down, but it does not change. Master fade down does not operate in playback. Am I missing something or is there a problem with this deck? Thanks for your response in advance. Neville -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Apr 15 02:35:49 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:35:49 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS Message-ID: In a message dated 4/14/2008 4:25:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com writes: "Airmail" no longer exist as a option from the US. There really is no reasonably priced shipping method from the US any longer, that provides a speedy delivery and offers protection to the seller if the package is lost. PayPal demands the package be "trackable" for proof of shipment. The cost to "Register" a package with US mail is $10.00 and Priority runs another $15.00. 1st Class service "has taken" 45 days on 1 or 2 occasions which is absolutely ridiculous. I have plans to restructure the complete program in the next 30 days or so. It also appears I am going to be forced to deal with the shrinking US Dollar. The main reason the listings are lengthily is making the point of why my kits are $20 and a competitors is $10.00. Most buyers have no idea, most of the product comes from the same 3-4 "vendors" in the United States. Hi Fred, This is all completely untrue. You can send a belt kit in a simple envelope with a numbered customs form via "Airmail" for about $1.50 or less anywhere in the world. I have done it a 25 times - 2 envelopes were lost. I just replaced those belts, as that was the easiest thing to do. If the envelope is lost, the receiver can ask his own post office for the information based on the customs form number. You can insure the same airmail envelope for about another $1.50, which gives another traceable number if you need it. As I brought up in a previous posting, you are currently charging $23.20 for a Dragon Belt kit including US shipping. Those three belts cost a total of $3.15 plus shipping online if one knows what to buy. I buy them myself at that cost. You seem anxious to sell your stock, but you're learning a simple Econ 101 lesson - prices are determined in the marketplace. Charge a higher price, and someone else can come in under you and take your business away. I notice Gianni, who sells on eBay under the name Soph_It, is selling the same belts for $17.80 including shipping from Italy. Since the Dragon has no drive belt, there is no W & F issue at all. I think I'll just keep on buying them for $3.15 plus shipping, thank you BTW, your new classic Nak belt doesn't test very much better than Gianni's latest belt either. I personally don't like calling it the "8096D" because that gives it the status of a Nak belt, which it isn't. It may be one of the better generic belts around, but if one wants the very best performance from their Nak, one still must buy the original belt from ESL for $55. The test results on your belt are slightly higher in W & F than the real thing, so whatever it is, it's not a belt made to the original specs by a maker who used to make the original Nak 8096C for Nakamichi itself as you have claimed. As I previously said, when I got one from you on eBay, I left you positive feedback as I give you a good-faith benefit of the doubt, but I don't like your claims that specs don't matter or can't be heard, or that you can't ship internationally at a reasonable cost because "Airmail no longer exists as an option from the US." Jeff Whittier **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leicasl2 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 15 02:48:02 2008 From: leicasl2 at hotmail.com (Mark Bates) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:48:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: I want to thank everyone for their help and yes I am located in the USA. _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Apr 15 02:52:21 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:52:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! Message-ID: <041520080052.7764.4803FC450002B38800001E5422155754749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Wow, it looks like the ZX-9 has finally arrived! I have often wondered why the ZX-7 and ZX-9 decks don't fetch prices as high as a typical CR-7. On eBay, CR-7 decks continuously seem to outperform the ZX-7/9 decks, pricewise. I love the CR-7, but the ZX-7/9 decks should really be able to fetch comparable (read: equal) prices, in my opinion. It just doesn't happen, though. But this deck is over 900 U.S. dollars with just 26 minutes left in the auction! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130213357772&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 *andy* From Perryinva at aol.com Tue Apr 15 03:05:08 2008 From: Perryinva at aol.com (Perryinva at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:05:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Question Message-ID: That is perfectly normal. It is in the manual that that is the way it is supposed to be. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Apr 15 03:12:49 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:12:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS In-Reply-To: <48032CE5.1040302@marrscommunications.com> References: <200804101000.m3AA0TNq005669@zxe.naks.com> <48032CE5.1040302@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910804141812t7fd483b9w639a7bd46afb5f1a@mail.gmail.com> Hi Fred, John was suggesting to use paragraphs in the listings, it's a bit hard to read when all the information is condensed in the same paragraph. 2008/4/14, Marrs Communications : > > Hi John, > > I appreciate your comments about the 8096-D. Yes the listings have ended up > being lengthy over the past few months. Since the beginning, I have > attempted to answer repetitive questions I was ask by "prospects" in the > listings. In doing so they have ended up this way. 25% of the information > is directed to my international customers. "Airmail" no longer exist as a > option from the US. There really is no reasonably priced shipping method > from the US any longer, that provides a speedy delivery and offers > protection to the seller if the package is lost. PayPal demands the package > be "trackable" for proof of shipment. The cost to "Register" a package with > US mail is $10.00 and Priority runs another $15.00. 1st Class service "has > taken" 45 days on 1 or 2 occasions which is absolutely ridiculous. I have > plans to restructure the complete program in the next 30 days or so. It also > appears I am going to be forced to deal with the shrinking US Dollar. The > main reason the listings are lengthily is making the point of why my kits > are $20 and a competitors is $10.00. Most buyers have no idea, most of the > product comes from the same 3-4 "vendors" in the United States. Again, > thanks for the suggestions. Fred M. > > John Berger wrote: > Fred, > > First, thanks for making the offer to Naktalk members. I'm sure that > several members were, like me, not interested in buying five belts; > perhaps one or two, in my case, so I didn't take advantage of the offer. > I'll probably pick up the ones I need through your eBay listing, though. > > Perhaps your expectations of a quick return were somewhat higher than the > market would bear in a short time, but there is a long tail to the market, > and eBay listings are relatively inexpensive. > > Second, please consider a carriage return or two, both in your Naktalk > postings, and your eBay ads. Long, run-on paragraphs make it hard to find > the relevant details, and I've found in my eBay sales that a good > description can make a 25% improvement in the price you get. > > John > > > > Message: 16 > Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:03:00 -0500 > From: Marrs Communications > > Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <47FD20F4.2090608 at marrscommunications.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Hello to all members! > > I want to thank everyone who took advantage of the "Special" for Naktalk > members, on the 8096-D Capstan Belt. Those orders are very much > appreciated! I am however, somewhat disappointed in the number of belts > sold. With the test results checking out at Spec or VERY close to Spec, > I was sure I would have everyone's Support and have to order a truck > load. Regardless of what you might think, I started this project at > considerable cost. This belt had not been produced by my manufacturer, > since his last contract with Nakamichi. He did not renew with them due > to them Not making the minimum purchases they agreed upon in their > contract. No, their was not a quality issue with his product! In fact, > he was told by Nakamichi HIS belts "checked out better than the rest of > their vendors" ! Please keep in mind, Nakamichi was trying to convince > him to "stay onboard" and continue to be a vendor to them. He refused ( > I got updated on this ), because this was the 2nd TIME they did not > live up to their agreed upon, minimum purchases in the contract. I do > not know what else I can say to make everyone feel comfortable with the > FACT, this is not just another belt. This belt can be tested 1000 times > and you will receive 1000 different findings. Also, I did not demand > that the Direction arrow be stamped on the belt because of COST savings. > The factory told me in their experience, while doing this for Nakamichi, > reversing the belt, Might, Might, improve the measurements by 0.01 to > 0.02 if THAT, and since the difference was so small, in his opinion > was a total waste of time and energy AND also drove the cost of the belt > up! Has anyone reversed my belt and checked the difference? I am Sure > Nakamichi published the VERY BEST wow/flutter, distortion and frequency > response results, they could POSSIBLY get. You would Think? What % of > machines manufactured did NOT spec out THAT well? What were the Specs on > the Worst Machines manufactured? Is YOURS one of them? Something we > will never know. Look, This can go on and on and on. I am a realist! > There is not one Human on this planet, that can hear the difference in > *.01 / .02 ABOVE or BELOW Factory Specifications. If you think you Can, > you better RE think. It's like buying a $2,000, 6 gage high tech power > cord for your amp. You swear you can hear the difference, but what did > you do about the 14 gage ROMEX in the wall, or the fact the power lines > coming into your home are not 99.8% Oxygen Free? Enough of that. I have > a decision to make. I am committed to placing 1 more order for the > 8096-D until the deal "locks in". Due to the shrinking U.S. Dollar, if > I placed a order today, my cost will increase by 23% ! So, do I keep > screwing with this, or go back to the original belt I was using in the > kits? ( Which Dam near met Spec). My understanding about this Whole > belt thing, was everybody wanted a belt that spec:ed out or Dam near, > at a reasonable cost? Was I MISTAKEN? ( The price will NOT be reduced > in the near future. Especially at this rate of sales). It's what I > CALL, return on investment. Thank you again for the purchases that > were made! Also, I currently have a 10 day sale on the OCO-8096-D > listed on eBay for $20.00. Buy 1 or Buy 100. Best Regards to All, Fred M. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From Perryinva at aol.com Tue Apr 15 03:24:44 2008 From: Perryinva at aol.com (Perryinva at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:24:44 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Pinch Roller Pivot / Flywheel Lubrication Message-ID: For the flywheel end pivots, the pinch roller pivots (once removed) and any sliding point I have been using GC Electronics Phonolube. It's synthetic and guaranteed (like I'll live long enough to prove it) not to dry out or harden. For pinch roller pivots that were a little stickey, I flush with contact cleaner till 100% free, and then follow with a few drops of lube from the "pen" oiler available at Radio Shack for like $3.50. I'd rather check & lube occasionally, than remove the pivot, as it is a royal PITA to get the alignment correct again. Ironically, on the 3 old style transports I have worked on, it is ALWAYS the right hand pivot that is super stiff or gummed up. What a PITA to remove!!!!! Perry Esposito **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have > tried simply pressing it a couple of times and also > pressing master fade > down, but it does not change. Master fade down does > not operate in playback. > Am I missing something or is there a problem with > this deck? > > > > Thanks for your response in advance. Neville > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Apr 15 05:14:57 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:14:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Direct Drive ZXL? Message-ID: In a message dated 4/11/2008 12:15:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wotbob01 at yahoo.com writes: Jeff, Were the heads for the ZX9 and ZX7 the same? Sorry if this is a repeat question. Bob N As far as I know. I heard from a Nak dealer that the ZX-9 heads were a select batch, tested by Nak for their superior characteristics. I don't really know exactly what that meant. Jeff W **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Tue Apr 15 06:03:02 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:03:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] REPAIR ASSISTANCE NEEDED - 680 Meters Don't Work In-Reply-To: <18451152.1208184006663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <041520080403.2913.480428F500062F4D00000B6122218683269B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Andy, I agree with Tom. With my very limited repair experience with other brands, check out the FL meters mechanical integrity. Pick up a magnifiying glass and really look closely for cracks, fissures, missing contacts or burnt filaments. As sturdy as the meter is, they DO start loosing brightness after decade(s) lifespan. It may simply require replacement, ie, parts deck. -------------- Original message from Tom Brucker : -------------- > Andy, > You have all the essentials to light up the display, so look at the glass > itself, especially around the nipple. Whomever replaced the caps may have broken > the tube. You might also look at the display with the room lights off. I have > seen a few Pioneer Fl displays that are quite dim due to age. > Check for clock on IC907 pin 10 and data on IC907 pins 2,3,4,5,6,9,12,13. I'm > not sure what it does but ZD903 shifts voltage level from 12v to 5v for the > display cathodes. > I have a working 680 so let me know if you can use any measurements. > My vision for NakTalk is that technicians can seek and share technical support. > Bala is assisting me with Ben's 1000ZXL with no record bias (erase is ok). > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > >Sent: Apr 13, 2008 8:32 AM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] REPAIR ASSISTANCE NEEDED - 680 Meters Don't Work > > > > > >Hello Everyone: > > > >Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later. I have a repair job that I > just cannot figure out. > > > >Brian kindly trusted me to work on his Nakamichi 680. The deck is in solid > mechanical and electronic condition, with only one problem. The fluorescent > meters don't light up. > > > >I have replaced C901, C902, and C903 on Indicator PCB Assembly "C". Curiously, > C901 and C902 had already been replaced, but I decided to replace them with my > own known good components. > > > >Replacing those three capacitors did nothing to fix the problem. > > > >I have verified that approximately 2.5v AC is reaching pins 1 and 49 (the first > and last pins) of the actual fluorescent unit. > > > >I have also verified that all DC voltages indicated in the service manual > schematics for Indicator PCB Assemblies "A", "B", and "C" are OK. > > > >I have even checked and verified all transistors, diodes, and resistors on > Indicator PCB Assemblies "A", "B", and "C". > > > >The only anomaly I have been able to find is *slightly* low voltages coming to > the fluorescent meter PCB through connector CN-5. This connector runs directly > to the fluorescent meter PCB from the deck's Logic board. If I recall > correctly, this controls the RAMM section of the fluorescent display, so even > this is probably a blind alley. > > > >The negative DC voltage on pin 9 of CN-5 is OK (approximately -37.5v DC), but > voltages on pins 1 through 8 are a bit low...but I don't even know if they are > TOO low to operate. Just low. Pins 1 through 8 have a low AC voltage on them. > On other decks I have measured the AC voltage on pins 1 through 8 in the range > of .165mV AC to .415mV AC. Pins 1 through 8 on CN-5 of this deck all measure > between .068mV and .088mV. > > > >It's really strange...unless I am overlooking something big, I have checked > everything out, and everything checks out OK. The meter display > JUST....DOESN'T....WORK. > > > >Everything else about this deck is fine. > > > >If I can't figure this out, this will be the first time I return a deck to > someone without fixing the problem. I would hate for this to happen, so I have > decided to put this problem in front of all of you, to see if you have ever > encountered a similar situation. > > > >Any info would be very much appreciated, > > > > > >*andy* > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Tue Apr 15 09:55:29 2008 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel T. Komninos) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:55:29 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Identification of spare part-Help needed! Message-ID: <48045F71.5060303@otenet.gr> Recently i acquired from ebay a lot of Nakamichi spare parts most of them being lamps, some IC's modules few counter belts etc which were identified with the help of the 1991 spare parts NAK catalog downloaded from EBAMAN (posted from SJ). Only thing i could not identify was a motor with following characteristics on it: VA700B and under that 09-8218A. Does any one have any idea what type of motor this is, and for which deck is suitable??? Of course there is always a chance that this is just an equivalent or even a spare motor from other brand......There in no other logo on it that could give me more specific information....I can always email a photo of the motor if needed. I also noticed that in the description column of the catalog some lamps are described as just "lamps" while others are described as "Disc. lamps"...Could someone elaborate on what "Disc" stands for??? Thank you all, Manos From enoyes at snet.net Tue Apr 15 13:29:23 2008 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:29:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48049193.7080006@snet.net> CAN WE PLEASE TAKE THIS BS OFF LINE. WE ARE ALL ADULTS WHO CAN MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT TO BUY AT WHAT PRICE OR HOW IMPORTANT THE DIFFERENCE IN W&F IS OR IF THE SHIPPING IS TOO EXPENSIVE OR NOT OR.... WE HAVE ALL READ THE ARGUMENTS BACK AND FORTH UNTIL OUR EYES HURT. PERSONALLY, I'VE HEARD ENOUGH GOOD STUFF ABOUT FRED'S BELTS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE USED THEM THAT I WOULD PROBABLY BUY ONE IF I NEEDED IT. MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T, BUT THAT'S MY (AND YOUR) PERSONAL RIGHT. THIS HAS BECOME FAR OLDER AND MORE TIRING THAN THE JEFF GALIN VS STEPHEN SANK BASHING THAT WENT ON YEARS AGO. THAT DEBATE WAS A DRAG THAT LED TO VERY LITTLE THAT WAS IN ANY WAY CONCLUSIVE. LET'S CALL THIS ONE, PLEASE! ED Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/14/2008 4:25:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com writes: > > "Airmail" no longer exist as a option from the US. There really is > no reasonably priced shipping method from the US any longer, that > provides a speedy delivery and offers protection to the seller if > the package is lost. PayPal demands the package be "trackable" for > proof of shipment. The cost to "Register" a package with US mail > is $10.00 and Priority runs another $15.00. 1st Class service "has > taken" 45 days on 1 or 2 occasions which is absolutely ridiculous. > I have plans to restructure the complete program in the next 30 > days or so. It also appears I am going to be forced to deal with > the shrinking US Dollar. The main reason the listings are > lengthily is making the point of why my kits are $20 and a > competitors is $10.00. Most buyers have no idea, most of the > product comes from the same 3-4 "vendors" in the United States. > > Hi Fred, > > This is all completely untrue. You can send a belt kit in a simple > envelope with a numbered customs form via "Airmail" for about $1.50 or > less anywhere in the world. I have done it a 25 times - 2 envelopes > were lost. I just replaced those belts, as that was the easiest thing > to do. If the envelope is lost, the receiver can ask his own post > office for the information based on the customs form number. You can > insure the same airmail envelope for about another $1.50, which gives > another traceable number if you need it. > > As I brought up in a previous posting, you are currently charging > $23.20 for a Dragon Belt kit including US shipping. Those three belts > cost a total of $3.15 plus shipping online if one knows what to buy. > I buy them myself at that cost. You seem anxious to sell your stock, > but you're learning a simple Econ 101 lesson - prices are determined > in the marketplace. Charge a higher price, and someone else can come > in under you and take your business away. I notice Gianni, who sells > on eBay under the name Soph_It, is selling the same belts for $17.80 > including shipping from Italy. Since the Dragon has no drive belt, > there is no W & F issue at all. I think I'll just keep on buying > them for $3.15 plus shipping, thank you > > BTW, your new classic Nak belt doesn't test very much better than > Gianni's latest belt either. I personally don't like calling it the > "8096D" because that gives it the status of a Nak belt, which it > isn't. It may be one of the better generic belts around, but if one > wants the very best performance from their Nak, one still must buy the > original belt from ESL for $55. The test results on your belt are > slightly higher in W & F than the real thing, so whatever it is, it's > not a belt made to the original specs by a maker who used to make the > original Nak 8096C for Nakamichi itself as you have claimed. As I > previously said, when I got one from you on eBay, I left you positive > feedback as I give you a good-faith benefit of the doubt, but I don't > like your claims that specs don't matter or can't be heard, or that > you can't ship internationally at a reasonable cost because "Airmail > no longer exists as an option from the US." > > Jeff Whittier > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance > . > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Apr 15 14:10:14 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:10:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! In-Reply-To: <041520080052.7764.4803FC450002B38800001E5422155754749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Quite right, too!!! 8¬D (ZX9 fan who sold a CR-7 in favour of his ZX-9) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! Wow, it looks like the ZX-9 has finally arrived! I have often wondered why the ZX-7 and ZX-9 decks don't fetch prices as high as a typical CR-7. On eBay, CR-7 decks continuously seem to outperform the ZX-7/9 decks, pricewise. I love the CR-7, but the ZX-7/9 decks should really be able to fetch comparable (read: equal) prices, in my opinion. It just doesn't happen, though. But this deck is over 900 U.S. dollars with just 26 minutes left in the auction! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130213357772&ssPageName=A DME:B:WNA:US:1123 From benstratford at aol.co.uk Tue Apr 15 12:13:13 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:13:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Identification of spare part-Help needed! In-Reply-To: <48045F71.5060303@otenet.gr> References: <48045F71.5060303@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <8CA6CF872AC6F59-14A0-4296@webmail-dd02.sysops.aol.com> Hi Manos, I think the 8218A is a reel motor used in the following decks, 482, 582Z,?670ZX, 680, 680ZX and possibly others. Rgds, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Emmanuel T. Komninos To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 7:55 pm Subject: [naktalk] Identification of spare part-Help needed! Recently i acquired from ebay a lot of Nakamichi spare parts most of them being lamps, some IC's modules few counter belts etc which were identified with the help of the 1991 spare parts NAK catalog downloaded from EBAMAN (posted from SJ).? Only thing i could not identify was a motor with following characteristics on it: VA700B and under that 09-8218A.? Does any one have any idea what type of motor this is, and for which deck is suitable??? Of course there is always a chance that this is just an equivalent or even a spare motor from other brand......There in no other logo on it that could give me more specific information....I can always email a photo of the motor if needed.? I also noticed that in the description column of the catalog some lamps are described as just "lamps" while others are described as "Disc. lamps"...Could someone elaborate on what "Disc" stands for???? Thank you all,? Manos? ? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist? Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Tue Apr 15 12:15:43 2008 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:15:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS - uk options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My recent belt / service experience maybe useful for uk or european nak owners - I recently bought a non working RX505 from ebay - it had a very worn idler, the one that's deep in the mech.. I sent it to B&W in the UK, who did a full overhaul, mechanical and electrical calibration - idler, all belts and pressure rollers were replaced - An original capstan belt was fitted and it's price on the invoice was less than the ebay prices mentioned here and much much less than the esl price... They don't sell these parts individually though, so you'd have to get your machined serviced and shipped there but it seemed really reasonable to me, especially given the type of repair needed and my lack of original parts and gauges.. I'm always usually a DIY person, but I have my limits and given the popularity of this deck I could still get my original purchase price and service costs back if I decided to sell it, which I probably won't! adrian On 15 Apr 2008, at 01:35, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/14/2008 4:25:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com > writes: > "Airmail" no longer exist as a option from the US. There really is > no reasonably priced shipping method from the US any longer, that > provides a speedy delivery and offers protection to the seller if > the package is lost. PayPal demands the package be "trackable" for > proof of shipment. The cost to "Register" a package with US mail is > $10.00 and Priority runs another $15.00. 1st Class service "has > taken" 45 days on 1 or 2 occasions which is absolutely ridiculous. I > have plans to restructure the complete program in the next 30 days > or so. It also appears I am going to be forced to deal with the > shrinking US Dollar. The main reason the listings are lengthily is > making the point of why my kits are $20 and a competitors is $10.00. > Most buyers have no idea, most of the product comes from the same > 3-4 "vendors" in the United States. > Hi Fred, > > This is all completely untrue. You can send a belt kit in a simple > envelope with a numbered customs form via "Airmail" for about $1.50 > or less anywhere in the world. I have done it a 25 times - 2 > envelopes were lost. I just replaced those belts, as that was the > easiest thing to do. If the envelope is lost, the receiver can ask > his own post office for the information based on the customs form > number. You can insure the same airmail envelope for about another > $1.50, which gives another traceable number if you need it. > > As I brought up in a previous posting, you are currently charging > $23.20 for a Dragon Belt kit including US shipping. Those three > belts cost a total of $3.15 plus shipping online if one knows what > to buy. I buy them myself at that cost. You seem anxious to sell > your stock, but you're learning a simple Econ 101 lesson - prices > are determined in the marketplace. Charge a higher price, and > someone else can come in under you and take your business away. I > notice Gianni, who sells on eBay under the name Soph_It, is selling > the same belts for $17.80 including shipping from Italy. Since the > Dragon has no drive belt, there is no W & F issue at all. I think > I'll just keep on buying them for $3.15 plus shipping, thank you > > BTW, your new classic Nak belt doesn't test very much better than > Gianni's latest belt either. I personally don't like calling it the > "8096D" because that gives it the status of a Nak belt, which it > isn't. It may be one of the better generic belts around, but if one > wants the very best performance from their Nak, one still must buy > the original belt from ESL for $55. The test results on your belt > are slightly higher in W & F than the real thing, so whatever it is, > it's not a belt made to the original specs by a maker who used to > make the original Nak 8096C for Nakamichi itself as you have > claimed. As I previously said, when I got one from you on eBay, I > left you positive feedback as I give you a good-faith benefit of the > doubt, but I don't like your claims that specs don't matter or can't > be heard, or that you can't ship internationally at a reasonable > cost because "Airmail no longer exists as an option from the US." > > Jeff Whittier > > > > > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From zero_duke at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 15 13:26:45 2008 From: zero_duke at yahoo.co.uk (Claudio Vazquez) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:26:45 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d6d174aef0236d81feeabb5762c2318@yahoo.co.uk> I understand what you are saying about the original belt and the 0C08096D. And I do agree that the original has to be the best! But the price list mentioned here is not the one ESL is sending me for a 1000ZXL. These are from last week. You will see it is not $55 but $75. Idler tire $6.95 USD The original precision Nakamichi capstan drive belt $75 OR a non-Nakamichi good replacement is $45. Motion sense belt is $14.75 Cam control belt $6.80 Auto azimuth belt is $6.80   The shipping & handling is $3.00 via non-insured Mail in a white #10 letter envelope OR in a box via insured Mail for $55.00 Regards Claudio. On 14 Apr 2008, at 09:35 pm, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/14/2008 4:25:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com writes: >> "Airmail" no longer exist as a option from the US. There really is no >> reasonably priced shipping method from the US any longer, that >> provides a speedy delivery and offers protection to the seller if the >> package is lost. PayPal demands the package be "trackable" for proof >> of shipment. The cost to "Register" a package with US mail is $10.00 >> and Priority runs another $15.00. 1st Class service "has taken" 45 >> days on 1 or 2 occasions which is absolutely ridiculous. I have plans >> to restructure the complete program in the next 30 days or so. It >> also appears I am going to be forced to deal with the shrinking US >> Dollar. The main reason the listings are lengthily is making the >> point of why my kits are $20 and a competitors is $10.00. Most buyers >> have no idea, most of the product comes from the same 3-4  "vendors" >> in the United States.Hi Fred, >   > This is all completely untrue.  You can send a belt kit in a simple > envelope with a numbered customs form via "Airmail" for about $1.50 or > less anywhere in the world.  I have done it a 25 times - 2 envelopes > were lost.  I just replaced those belts, as that was the easiest thing > to do.  If the envelope is lost, the receiver can ask his own post > office for the information based on the customs form number.  You can > insure the same airmail envelope for about another $1.50, which gives > another traceable number if you need it. >   > As I brought up in a previous posting, you are currently charging > $23.20 for a Dragon Belt kit including US shipping.  Those three belts > cost a total of $3.15 plus shipping online if one knows what to buy.  > I buy them myself at that cost. You seem anxious to sell your stock, > but you're learning a simple Econ 101 lesson - prices are determined > in the marketplace.  Charge a higher price, and someone else can come > in under you and take your business away.  I notice Gianni, who sells > on eBay under the name Soph_It, is selling the same belts for $17.80 > including shipping from Italy.  Since the Dragon has no drive belt, > there is no W & F issue at all.   I think I'll just keep on buying > them for $3.15 plus shipping, thank you >   > BTW, your new classic Nak belt doesn't test very much better than > Gianni's latest belt either.  I personally don't like calling it the > "8096D" because that gives it the status of a Nak belt, which it > isn't.  It may be one of the better generic belts around, but if one > wants the very best performance from their Nak, one still must buy the > original belt from ESL for $55.  The test results on your belt are > slightly higher in W & F than the real thing, so whatever it is, it's > not a belt made to the original specs by a maker who used to make the > original Nak 8096C for Nakamichi itself as you have claimed.  As I > previously said, when I got one from you on eBay, I left you positive > feedback as I give you a good-faith benefit of the doubt, but I don't > like your claims that specs don't matter or can't be heard, or that > you can't ship internationally at a reasonable cost because "Airmail > no longer exists as an option from the US." >   > Jeff Whittier >   > > > > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & > Finance.========------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 5309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Tue Apr 15 13:42:15 2008 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:42:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] - 680 Meters Don't Work In-Reply-To: <18451152.1208184006663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <18451152.1208184006663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD428A0AE6007@mail.mmsav.com> Hello Andy, In a dark room also look and see if you can see the faint glow of the filaments. No filaments-no display. You can also look at the tube and see if the getter is still mostly silver. If it has all turned whitish then the tube is gassy and will need replacement. Good luck! Doug From dball1 at woh.rr.com Tue Apr 15 14:09:38 2008 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:09:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS In-Reply-To: <48049193.7080006@snet.net> Message-ID: Ed, Amen... Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Edward Noyes Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:29 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS CAN WE PLEASE TAKE THIS BS OFF LINE. WE ARE ALL ADULTS WHO CAN MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT TO BUY AT WHAT PRICE OR HOW IMPORTANT THE DIFFERENCE IN W&F IS OR IF THE SHIPPING IS TOO EXPENSIVE OR NOT OR.... WE HAVE ALL READ THE ARGUMENTS BACK AND FORTH UNTIL OUR EYES HURT. PERSONALLY, I'VE HEARD ENOUGH GOOD STUFF ABOUT FRED'S BELTS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE USED THEM THAT I WOULD PROBABLY BUY ONE IF I NEEDED IT. MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T, BUT THAT'S MY (AND YOUR) PERSONAL RIGHT. THIS HAS BECOME FAR OLDER AND MORE TIRING THAN THE JEFF GALIN VS STEPHEN SANK BASHING THAT WENT ON YEARS AGO. THAT DEBATE WAS A DRAG THAT LED TO VERY LITTLE THAT WAS IN ANY WAY CONCLUSIVE. LET'S CALL THIS ONE, PLEASE! ED Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/14/2008 4:25:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com writes: "Airmail" no longer exist as a option from the US. There really is no reasonably priced shipping method from the US any longer, that provides a speedy delivery and offers protection to the seller if the package is lost. PayPal demands the package be "trackable" for proof of shipment. The cost to "Register" a package with US mail is $10.00 and Priority runs another $15.00. 1st Class service "has taken" 45 days on 1 or 2 occasions which is absolutely ridiculous. I have plans to restructure the complete program in the next 30 days or so. It also appears I am going to be forced to deal with the shrinking US Dollar. The main reason the listings are lengthily is making the point of why my kits are $20 and a competitors is $10.00. Most buyers have no idea, most of the product comes from the same 3-4 "vendors" in the United States. Hi Fred, This is all completely untrue. You can send a belt kit in a simple envelope with a numbered customs form via "Airmail" for about $1.50 or less anywhere in the world. I have done it a 25 times - 2 envelopes were lost. I just replaced those belts, as that was the easiest thing to do. If the envelope is lost, the receiver can ask his own post office for the information based on the customs form number. You can insure the same airmail envelope for about another $1.50, which gives another traceable number if you need it. As I brought up in a previous posting, you are currently charging $23.20 for a Dragon Belt kit including US shipping. Those three belts cost a total of $3.15 plus shipping online if one knows what to buy. I buy them myself at that cost. You seem anxious to sell your stock, but you're learning a simple Econ 101 lesson - prices are determined in the marketplace. Charge a higher price, and someone else can come in under you and take your business away. I notice Gianni, who sells on eBay under the name Soph_It, is selling the same belts for $17.80 including shipping from Italy. Since the Dragon has no drive belt, there is no W & F issue at all. I think I'll just keep on buying them for $3.15 plus shipping, thank you BTW, your new classic Nak belt doesn't test very much better than Gianni's latest belt either. I personally don't like calling it the "8096D" because that gives it the status of a Nak belt, which it isn't. It may be one of the better generic belts around, but if one wants the very best performance from their Nak, one still must buy the original belt from ESL for $55. The test results on your belt are slightly higher in W & F than the real thing, so whatever it is, it's not a belt made to the original specs by a maker who used to make the original Nak 8096C for Nakamichi itself as you have claimed. As I previously said, when I got one from you on eBay, I left you positive feedback as I give you a good-faith benefit of the doubt, but I don't like your claims that specs don't matter or can't be heard, or that you can't ship internationally at a reasonable cost because "Airmail no longer exists as an option from the US." Jeff Whittier ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's Tax Time! 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 15 14:10:37 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:10:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910804121142m502ad671h94397c3085c9960e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1F460BFB-F8F0-41A6-BD85-833AB004558D@alumni.caltech.edu> <78B00D72-4B02-4227-B110-D2EA5051826C@kvglabs.com> <17d5ee910804091546g2c476228kcf2369818591f9ea@mail.gmail.com> <4800BB78.3080908@rcn.com> <17d5ee910804121142m502ad671h94397c3085c9960e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48049B3D.70009@rcn.com> This has nothing to do with Studer. When you copy a CD or DAT, you are dealing with the format copy protection. standard. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Who said Studer uses the exact same copy protection scheme as > protected CDs do, if that's the cause? > > 2008/4/12, Ron : > >> When one makes a 2nd generation copy of a protected >> CD, the sound suffers from continuous dropouts. This is >> nothing like 'some noise'. >> >> --Ron >> >> >> >> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Kermit, >>> >>> is there's really some noise appearing in the 4th generation, it might be >>> >> a copy protection flag. Some CD copy protection scheme work similarly, you >> can only do backups of the original disc, you can't then decide to copy a >> CD-R made from it. >> >>> Antoine >>> >>> 2008/4/9, Kermit Gray >> >> >: >> >>> Thanks, Kimo, you have some good observations. Studer's >>> admonition that it wasn't until the fourth generation that 6 db >>> increase in s/ ratio occurred never made sense to me, but I >>> figured that the manufacturer should know their machine. Your >>> ideas make much more sense, though. >>> I think the tapes recorded with the Studer could playback on a >>> Sony PCM3324 or PCM3348, but I had trouble playing back tapes >>> recorded by a Sony PCM-3324 on the Studer. You had to know what >>> format the tape you made on the Studer because it could record as >>> a 16-bit 48-track recorder or 24-bit 24-track recorder. I leased >>> one for about a year, 1994. I liked much better than the previous >>> digital multitrack I leased, the Sony PCM-3324, but by 1995 I >>> wasn't doing enough recording to justify keeping the expensive >>> Studer. Weirdly, 24-track DASH machines recorded on half of the >>> tape's width and could be played on the 48-track machines with no >>> modifications. But 48-track tapes could be played on a 24-track >>> machine but you could access only the first 24 tracks. The Studer >>> got it 24 bits, if I recall correctly, by using all 48 tracks but >>> using two tracks per recorded channel, so if you did a 24-track >>> tape it would play on the Sony PCM-3348 and PCM-3324 but at lower >>> resolution. DASH format tapes were a headache! >>> >>> I did try a Mitsubishi X-400 16-track, then found that its ProDigi >>> format was totally incompatible with my DASH tapes. By then, >>> though, I no longer needed any digital multitrack, and had gone >>> back to using only my Teac, Studer A80 and Scully 280B analog >>> multitrack recorders. In 1999 I sold the Studer A80, and in 2001 I >>> sold the Teac and Scully decks and was persuaded to replace them >>> with a software DAW multitrack (Logic Audio running on a >>> Macintosh). These sales reflect my increasingly-reduced need for >>> multitrack recording. >>> I have regretted the purchase of the software DAW ever since. >>> Fortunately a dear friend gave me a Teac A3440 to replace the one >>> I sold. Although I still have the software DAW multitrack, it now >>> sits under a desk, unused, collecting dust. I truly, vehemently, >>> dislike recording with software DAWs and would rather have bamboo >>> shoots stuck under my fingernails than ever have to do another >>> session with one again! >>> >>> If I ever again need to do a serious multitrack recording I will >>> buy a good analog tape transport, then build my own recording and >>> reproduce electronics for it. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Antoine Deschênes >>> From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Apr 15 14:14:46 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:14:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 Question Message-ID: <041520081214.14990.48049C3600065F5A00003A8E22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> The Master Fade button only works during recording, to put a "fade-in" or "fade-out" on the sound being recorded. If the deck is not in record mode, the Master Fade button is inactive. Congratulations on having an RX-505, one of my favorite Nak decks because of the INCREDIBLE heads it has. *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 15 14:22:08 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:22:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] REPAIR ASSISTANCE NEEDED - 680 Meters Don't Work In-Reply-To: <18451152.1208184006663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <18451152.1208184006663.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48049DF0.2050408@rcn.com> That was my first thought upon reading the original post. The best approach would be to temporarily replace the display... Unfortunately, I realize, this is impractical. -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > Andy, > You have all the essentials to light up the display, so look at the glass itself, especially around the nipple. Whomever replaced the caps may have broken the tube. You might also look at the display with the room lights off. I have seen a few Pioneer Fl displays that are quite dim due to age. > Check for clock on IC907 pin 10 and data on IC907 pins 2,3,4,5,6,9,12,13. I'm not sure what it does but ZD903 shifts voltage level from 12v to 5v for the display cathodes. > I have a working 680 so let me know if you can use any measurements. > My vision for NakTalk is that technicians can seek and share technical support. Bala is assisting me with Ben's 1000ZXL with no record bias (erase is ok). > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >> Sent: Apr 13, 2008 8:32 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] REPAIR ASSISTANCE NEEDED - 680 Meters Don't Work >> >> >> Hello Everyone: >> >> Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later. I have a repair job that I just cannot figure out. >> >> Brian kindly trusted me to work on his Nakamichi 680. The deck is in solid mechanical and electronic condition, with only one problem. The fluorescent meters don't light up. >> >> I have replaced C901, C902, and C903 on Indicator PCB Assembly "C". Curiously, C901 and C902 had already been replaced, but I decided to replace them with my own known good components. >> >> Replacing those three capacitors did nothing to fix the problem. >> >> I have verified that approximately 2.5v AC is reaching pins 1 and 49 (the first and last pins) of the actual fluorescent unit. >> >> I have also verified that all DC voltages indicated in the service manual schematics for Indicator PCB Assemblies "A", "B", and "C" are OK. >> >> I have even checked and verified all transistors, diodes, and resistors on Indicator PCB Assemblies "A", "B", and "C". >> >> The only anomaly I have been able to find is *slightly* low voltages coming to the fluorescent meter PCB through connector CN-5. This connector runs directly to the fluorescent meter PCB from the deck's Logic board. If I recall correctly, this controls the RAMM section of the fluorescent display, so even this is probably a blind alley. >> >> The negative DC voltage on pin 9 of CN-5 is OK (approximately -37.5v DC), but voltages on pins 1 through 8 are a bit low...but I don't even know if they are TOO low to operate. Just low. Pins 1 through 8 have a low AC voltage on them. On other decks I have measured the AC voltage on pins 1 through 8 in the range of .165mV AC to .415mV AC. Pins 1 through 8 on CN-5 of this deck all measure between .068mV and .088mV. >> >> It's really strange...unless I am overlooking something big, I have checked everything out, and everything checks out OK. The meter display JUST....DOESN'T....WORK. >> >> Everything else about this deck is fine. >> >> If I can't figure this out, this will be the first time I return a deck to someone without fixing the problem. I would hate for this to happen, so I have decided to put this problem in front of all of you, to see if you have ever encountered a similar situation. >> >> Any info would be very much appreciated, >> >> >> *andy* >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Apr 15 16:06:16 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:06:16 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Identification of spare part-Help needed! Message-ID: In a message dated 4/15/2008 2:55:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, koman56 at otenet.gr writes: VA700B and under that 09-8218A. Does any one have any idea what type of motor this is, and for which deck is suitable??? That's the Sankyo mechanism cam motor for the BX, CR & Cassette Deck series. It's also the azimuth motor for the CR-7. Jeff W **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T, BUT THAT'S MY (AND YOUR) PERSONAL RIGHT. THIS HAS BECOME FAR OLDER AND MORE TIRING THAN THE JEFF GALIN VS STEPHEN SANK BASHING THAT WENT ON YEARS AGO. THAT DEBATE WAS A DRAG THAT LED TO VERY LITTLE THAT WAS IN ANY WAY CONCLUSIVE. LET'S CALL THIS ONE, PLEASE! ED Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/14/2008 4:25:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com writes: "Airmail" no longer exist as a option from the US. There really is no reasonably priced shipping method from the US any longer, that provides a speedy delivery and offers protection to the seller if the package is lost. PayPal demands the package be "trackable" for proof of shipment. The cost to "Register" a package with US mail is $10.00 and Priority runs another $15.00. 1st Class service "has taken" 45 days on 1 or 2 occasions which is absolutely ridiculous. I have plans to restructure the complete program in the next 30 days or so. It also appears I am going to be forced to deal with the shrinking US Dollar. The main reason the listings are lengthily is making the point of why my kits are $20 and a competitors is $10.00. Most buyers have no idea, most of the product comes from the same 3-4 "vendors" in the United States. Hi Fred, This is all completely untrue. You can send a belt kit in a simple envelope with a numbered customs form via "Airmail" for about $1.50 or less anywhere in the world. I have done it a 25 times - 2 envelopes were lost. I just replaced those belts, as that was the easiest thing to do. If the envelope is lost, the receiver can ask his own post office for the information based on the customs form number. You can insure the same airmail envelope for about another $1.50, which gives another traceable number if you need it. As I brought up in a previous posting, you are currently charging $23.20 for a Dragon Belt kit including US shipping. Those three belts cost a total of $3.15 plus shipping online if one knows what to buy. I buy them myself at that cost. You seem anxious to sell your stock, but you're learning a simple Econ 101 lesson - prices are determined in the marketplace. Charge a higher price, and someone else can come in under you and take your business away. I notice Gianni, who sells on eBay under the name Soph_It, is selling the same belts for $17.80 including shipping from Italy. Since the Dragon has no drive belt, there is no W & F issue at all. I think I'll just keep on buying them for $3.15 plus shipping, thank you BTW, your new classic Nak belt doesn't test very much better than Gianni's latest belt either. I personally don't like calling it the "8096D" because that gives it the status of a Nak belt, which it isn't. It may be one of the better generic belts around, but if one wants the very best performance from their Nak, one still must buy the original belt from ESL for $55. The test results on your belt are slightly higher in W & F than the real thing, so whatever it is, it's not a belt made to the original specs by a maker who used to make the original Nak 8096C for Nakamichi itself as you have claimed. As I previously said, when I got one from you on eBay, I left you positive feedback as I give you a good-faith benefit of the doubt, but I don't like your claims that specs don't matter or can't be heard, or that you can't ship internationally at a reasonable cost because "Airmail no longer exists as an option from the US." Jeff Whittier ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's Tax Time! 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If they seem to come up and contact the capstans quickly, then replace the capstan belt (C8096D from Marrs communications) and lubricate the capstan bearings. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: James Brodsky >Sent: Apr 14, 2008 6:53 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Repair for a 480 in Denver? > >Hi - first time poster. I have a 480 that appears to have the very >common issue of playing a tape nicely for about 5 seconds and then >getting progressively muddier and muddier until the sound drops >completely. Certain tapes as well become slightly eaten along one >edge. I obviously have tape transport issues, but I don't want to dump >a ton of money into this deck. Is there anyone in the Denver area >recommended for repair? The deck once went to Sonic Sense (Marc >Nutter) years ago but they no longer perform repairs. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Tue Apr 15 15:35:47 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:35:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! References: <041520080052.7764.4803FC450002B38800001E5422155754749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002901c89efd$9d069d30$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> It seems the prices for various models seems to fluctuate quite a bit. Last year the ZX-9 and BX-300 were going for a lot more than they are fetching this year. I think it has a lot to do with which models are talked about on Naktalk. The BX-300 (probably the most under-rated deck IMO) for example was talked about lots in the fall and prices were double of what they are now. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! > > Wow, it looks like the ZX-9 has finally arrived! > > I have often wondered why the ZX-7 and ZX-9 decks don't fetch prices as > high as a typical CR-7. On eBay, CR-7 decks continuously seem to > outperform the ZX-7/9 decks, pricewise. I love the CR-7, but the ZX-7/9 > decks should really be able to fetch comparable (read: equal) prices, in > my opinion. It just doesn't happen, though. > > But this deck is over 900 U.S. dollars with just 26 minutes left in the > auction! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130213357772&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fripp_em at yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 16:45:16 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <797253.80663.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> These "this is the best/better deck" threads only drive up the price for those of us who don't have the deck yet:-( I guess it works for those selling the decks though. --- Graham A Nelson wrote: > Quite right, too!!! 8¬D > > (ZX9 fan who sold a CR-7 in favour of his ZX-9) > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 1:52 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! > > > > Wow, it looks like the ZX-9 has finally arrived! > > I have often wondered why the ZX-7 and ZX-9 decks > don't fetch prices as high > as a typical CR-7. On eBay, CR-7 decks continuously > seem to outperform the > ZX-7/9 decks, pricewise. I love the CR-7, but the > ZX-7/9 decks should > really be able to fetch comparable (read: equal) > prices, in my opinion. It > just doesn't happen, though. > > But this deck is over 900 U.S. dollars with just 26 > minutes left in the > auction! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130213357772&ssPageName=A > DME:B:WNA:US:1123 > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From fripp_em at yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 16:47:27 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS In-Reply-To: <48049193.7080006@snet.net> Message-ID: <504551.9148.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I don't know... I found Jeff's information useful towards any decision I will make and I don't want to pay a huge mark up on any belts I buy. Also, please don't write in all caps. I do agree that enough has been said on this for now until some more test come in from others. David --- Edward Noyes wrote: > CAN WE PLEASE TAKE THIS BS OFF LINE. WE ARE ALL > ADULTS WHO CAN MAKE OUR > OWN DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT TO BUY AT WHAT PRICE OR HOW > IMPORTANT THE > DIFFERENCE IN W&F IS OR IF THE SHIPPING IS TOO > EXPENSIVE OR NOT OR.... > WE HAVE ALL READ THE ARGUMENTS BACK AND FORTH UNTIL > OUR EYES HURT. > PERSONALLY, I'VE HEARD ENOUGH GOOD STUFF ABOUT > FRED'S BELTS FROM PEOPLE > WHO HAVE USED THEM THAT I WOULD PROBABLY BUY ONE IF > I NEEDED IT. MAYBE > YOU WOULDN'T, BUT THAT'S MY (AND YOUR) PERSONAL > RIGHT. THIS HAS BECOME > FAR OLDER AND MORE TIRING THAN THE JEFF GALIN VS > STEPHEN SANK BASHING > THAT WENT ON YEARS AGO. THAT DEBATE WAS A DRAG THAT > LED TO VERY LITTLE > THAT WAS IN ANY WAY CONCLUSIVE. LET'S CALL THIS ONE, > PLEASE! > > ED > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 15 14:40:33 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:40:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Identification of spare part-Help needed! In-Reply-To: <48045F71.5060303@otenet.gr> References: <48045F71.5060303@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <4804A241.4060305@rcn.com> Maybe 'discontinued'? -- Ron Emmanuel T. Komninos wrote: > Recently i acquired from ebay a lot of Nakamichi spare parts most of > them being lamps, some IC's modules few counter belts etc which were > identified with the help of the 1991 spare parts NAK catalog > downloaded from EBAMAN (posted from SJ). > Only thing i could not identify was a motor with following > characteristics on it: VA700B and under that 09-8218A. > Does any one have any idea what type of motor this is, and for which > deck is suitable??? Of course there is always a chance that this is > just an equivalent or even a spare motor from other brand......There > in no other logo on it that could give me more specific > information....I can always email a photo of the motor if needed. > I also noticed that in the description column of the catalog some > lamps are described as just "lamps" while others are described as > "Disc. lamps"...Could someone elaborate on what "Disc" stands for??? > Thank you all, > Manos > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From john_194600 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 15 15:52:21 2008 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS Message-ID: <823419.92503.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ED, I am in complete agreement...Jeff you have Fred's email, if you have a problem with him let him know...your sniping is really getting old. JN ----- Original Message ---- From: Edward Noyes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:29:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS CAN WE PLEASE TAKE THIS BS OFF LINE. WE ARE ALL ADULTS WHO CAN MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT TO BUY AT WHAT PRICE OR HOW IMPORTANT THE DIFFERENCE IN W&F IS OR IF THE SHIPPING IS TOO EXPENSIVE OR NOT OR.... WE HAVE ALL READ THE ARGUMENTS BACK AND FORTH UNTIL OUR EYES HURT. PERSONALLY, I'VE HEARD ENOUGH GOOD STUFF ABOUT FRED'S BELTS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE USED THEM THAT I WOULD PROBABLY BUY ONE IF I NEEDED IT. MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T, BUT THAT'S MY (AND YOUR) PERSONAL RIGHT. THIS HAS BECOME FAR OLDER AND MORE TIRING THAN THE JEFF GALIN VS STEPHEN SANK BASHING THAT WENT ON YEARS AGO. THAT DEBATE WAS A DRAG THAT LED TO VERY LITTLE THAT WAS IN ANY WAY CONCLUSIVE. LET'S CALL THIS ONE, PLEASE! ED Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/14/2008 4:25:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com writes: "Airmail" no longer exist as a option from the US. There really is no reasonably priced shipping method from the US any longer, that provides a speedy delivery and offers protection to the seller if the package is lost. PayPal demands the package be "trackable" for proof of shipment. The cost to "Register" a package with US mail is $10.00 and Priority runs another $15.00. 1st Class service "has taken" 45 days on 1 or 2 occasions which is absolutely ridiculous. I have plans to restructure the complete program in the next 30 days or so. It also appears I am going to be forced to deal with the shrinking US Dollar. The main reason the listings are lengthily is making the point of why my kits are $20 and a competitors is $10.00. Most buyers have no idea, most of the product comes from the same 3-4 "vendors" in the United States. Hi Fred, This is all completely untrue. You can send a belt kit in a simple envelope with a numbered customs form via "Airmail" for about $1.50 or less anywhere in the world. I have done it a 25 times - 2 envelopes were lost. I just replaced those belts, as that was the easiest thing to do. If the envelope is lost, the receiver can ask his own post office for the information based on the customs form number. You can insure the same airmail envelope for about another $1.50, which gives another traceable number if you need it. As I brought up in a previous posting, you are currently charging $23.20 for a Dragon Belt kit including US shipping. Those three belts cost a total of $3.15 plus shipping online if one knows what to buy. I buy them myself at that cost. You seem anxious to sell your stock, but you're learning a simple Econ 101 lesson - prices are determined in the marketplace. Charge a higher price, and someone else can come in under you and take your business away. I notice Gianni, who sells on eBay under the name Soph_It, is selling the same belts for $17.80 including shipping from Italy. Since the Dragon has no drive belt, there is no W & F issue at all. I think I'll just keep on buying them for $3.15 plus shipping, thank you BTW, your new classic Nak belt doesn't test very much better than Gianni's latest belt either. I personally don't like calling it the "8096D" because that gives it the status of a Nak belt, which it isn't. It may be one of the better generic belts around, but if one wants the very best performance from their Nak, one still must buy the original belt from ESL for $55. The test results on your belt are slightly higher in W & F than the real thing, so whatever it is, it's not a belt made to the original specs by a maker who used to make the original Nak 8096C for Nakamichi itself as you have claimed. As I previously said, when I got one from you on eBay, I left you positive feedback as I give you a good-faith benefit of the doubt, but I don't like your claims that specs don't matter or can't be heard, or that you can't ship internationally at a reasonable cost because "Airmail no longer exists as an option from the US." Jeff Whittier It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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URL: From modernizy at netscape.net Tue Apr 15 18:48:22 2008 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:48:22 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Identification of spare part-Help needed! References: <48045F71.5060303@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <00ce01c89f18$8eb7c9a0$7548fea9@fwamd> I suppose "Disc." means discontinued. Nick. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emmanuel T. Komninos" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: 15 апреля 2008 г. 11:55 Subject: [naktalk] Identification of spare part-Help needed! > Recently i acquired from ebay a lot of Nakamichi spare parts most of them > being lamps, some IC's modules few counter belts etc which were identified > with the help of the 1991 spare parts NAK catalog downloaded from EBAMAN > (posted from SJ). > Only thing i could not identify was a motor with following characteristics > on it: VA700B and under that 09-8218A. > Does any one have any idea what type of motor this is, and for which deck > is suitable??? Of course there is always a chance that this is just an > equivalent or even a spare motor from other brand......There in no other > logo on it that could give me more specific information....I can always > email a photo of the motor if needed. > I also noticed that in the description column of the catalog some lamps > are described as just "lamps" while others are described as "Disc. > lamps"...Could someone elaborate on what "Disc" stands for??? > Thank you all, > Manos > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From johngipps at aol.com Tue Apr 15 19:01:08 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:01:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How Not To Buy On eBay Message-ID: <8CA6D316F38557C-B48-3B40@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com> Hi again NakTalkers I'd like to thank the many people who contributed to this discussion - there was some very good advice offered and even a bit of humour (Benny the fish!) -all greatly appreciated. Just a few further comments... Yes - the phone number provided by eBay during the transaction was rubbish and is not connected (and of course it isn't a Canadian number). I did try to lodge a complaint with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police - it turns out that to do that, if you are outside Canada, you have to go through your local police, who will make contact with the RCMP for you. I'm going through that process now. Haven't contacted? FMTunerInfo (Rogue's Gallery) yet Antoine, but I will. I did use Google initially to locate others who had been ripped off Mikkel, but you used it better, and found some info that I didn't have. By the way, I don't think the guy's name is really Cyrus Kane - for that matter, it's probably not Bayati Cosro as advised by eBay. Whether or not I recover any of the money, I'm confident that some good has come from airing this event - I'll follow up later if there's anything to report. Regards John Gipps -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue Apr 15 19:42:16 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:42:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FINAL COMMENT/ OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT/TRACKABLE IS THE KEY WORD In-Reply-To: <4804D8D5.6070108@marrscommunications.com> References: <4804D8D5.6070108@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <4804E8F8.7000004@marrscommunications.com> SORRY ED, THIS IS MY LAST POST PERIOD. FRED M. > JEFF, TRACKABLE IS THE KEY WORD. YOU HAVE SELECTIVE HEARING / READING > COMPREHENSION. "PAYPAL" WILL NOT ACCEPT THE CUSTOMS FORM # AS A > VALID TRACKING NUMBER. PAYPAL CAN NOT VERIFY "CONFIRMED" ADDRESSES IN > COUNTRIES OTHER THAN THE UNITED STATES. THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE FORM OF > TRACKING TO PAYPAL IS "REGISTERED" INTERNATIONAL. TO "REGISTER" A > LETTER OR PACKAGE, IS A FLAT $10.00 CHARGE AT THE POST OFFICE, PLUS > POSTAGE. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I HAVE "DONE BATTLE" WITH PAYPAL OVER > THIS. WHEN THE POST OFFICE TOOK THEIR LAST INCREASE, AIRMAIL WAS > DROPPED, AS A SERVICE OFFERED FOR INTERNATIONAL DELIVERY. I HAVE > CONFIRMED THIS WITH THREE (3) POST OFFICES. ONE BEING VERY, VERY LARGE > IN HOUSTON. IT IS NOW 1ST CLASS OR PRIORITY, PERIOD. NOW, IN > RESPONSE TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT MY 8096-D. SINCE WE ARE IN AGREEMENT > (in your words) IT IS THE BEST "GENERIC" BELT AVAILABLE, (since mine > provides better specs than soph_it's), I THINK IT IS WORTHY OF THE > 8096-D TITLE. ** TO QUALIFY THE STATUS OF MY 8096-D LET'S RECAP. **. > 1.) IT IS ! _ MANUFACTURED IN JAPAN, BY A MANUFACTURER WHO WAS > CONTRACTED AS A O.E.M. MANUFACTURER WITH NAKAMICHI, TO SUPPLY "ALL" > BELTS THEY REQUIRED, NOT JUST THE 8096, _ FOR (I now understand), > TWO (2) 18 MONTH TERMS, (3 years). 2.) IT IS PRODUCED BY THE SAME > PERSON THAT HELD ONE OF THE CONTRACTS AS A O.E.M. VENDOR TO > NAKAMICHI. 3.) IT IS PRODUCED TO THE SAME SPECIFICATIONS AS THE > ORIGINAL 8096C SUPPLIED TO NAKAMICHI AS A CONTRACTED "O.E.M." > SUPPLIER TO NAKAMICHI. 4.) THE MANUFACTURER IS USING ALL OF THE SAME > PROCEDURES FOR MANUFACTURING AND TESTING (EXCEPT THE ARROW, WHICH IS A > WASTE OF TIME ACCORDING TO "THE MAN" THAT PRODUCES AND MANUFACTURES > IT), WITH WHICH, I AM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT. 5.) PRODUCTION IS "HELD" > TO THE SAME MANUFACTURING TOLERANCES AS THE 8096C, SUPPLIED TO > NAKAMICHI AS A CONTRACTED "O.E.M." SUPPLIER TO NAKAMICHI. _ MY > 8096-D IS THE CLOSEST THING TO THE "ORIGINAL" 8096C THAT ANYONE CAN > CURRENTLY PROVIDE (or more than likely), WILL EVER PROVIDE AGAIN! > BUT IT IS __ STILL A GENERIC IN YOUR EYES? OK, I CAN GO ALONG WITH > THAT, BUT, IT IS CURRENTLY THE BEST "GENERIC" AVAILABLE ON THE > PLANET!. SO, KEEPING ALL OF THE ABOVE IN MIND, AND TO SATISFY THE > SKEPTICS OF MY BELT, YOU CAN CLASSIFY MY BELT AS A "GENERIC". JUST > THINK JEFF, IF I DECIDE TO DROP MY 8096-D BECAUSE I AM NOT HAPPY WITH > SALES, YOU AND SOPH_IT, WILL BE "TOP DOG" AGAIN! IS THAT EXCITING OR > WHAT! YOU SEEM TO HAVE $1.79 AND $3.00 "ON THE BRAIN". LET'S SEE IF > YOU CAN HAVE THE 8096 MANUFACTURED, PAY UPFRONT COST BECAUSE IT IS > NOT CURRENTLY BEING PRODUCED, COVER SHIPPING FROM JAPAN, LISTED AND > SELL ON EBAY WHILE COVERING THEIR FEES, AND COVER THE PAYPAL FEES FOR > RECEIVING PAYMENT (total fees for eBay and Paypal vary but is 15% this > month), AND SELL IT FOR $3.00. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT! _ IT'S OBVIOUS > YOU DO NOT HAVE A "REAL WORLD" BUSINESS OR MANUFACTURING BACKGROUND. > * NO ONE WILL EVER PROVIDE _ ANOTHER TRUE OCO8096 BELT. WHY? BECAUSE > IT WILL NEVER PASS THROUGH NAKAMICHI'S HANDS AGAIN. * (EXCEPT WHEN > YOU PURCHASE THE "ORIGINAL" FROM E.S.L. *JEFF W. , I WILL NOT > CONTINUE TO BORE THE REST OF THE Naktalk MEMBERS WITH YOUR OBSESSIVE > UNSOLICITED ATTACKS. YOU ARE ALWAYS THE INSTIGATOR AND QUITE > FRANKLY, I AM SURPRISED THE MEMBERS HAVE NOT TOLD YOU TO STOP. I > HAVE SHARED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT MY BUSINESS WITH EVERYONE, THAN I > SHOULD HAVE. IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, HOW I CONDUCT BUSINESS! > AS MENTIONED IN A PREVIOUS POST. I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE. ALL CARDS > (more than should be), ARE ON THE TABLE. I DID NOT HAVE THIS BELT > MANUFACTURED OUT OF THE KINDNESS OF MY HEART, OR TO GIVE AWAY TO MY > "BUDDIES" ! I HAVE ADDED THE "GOLD KIT" IN MY EBAY STORE WHICH > INCLUDES THE 8096-D FOR $37.95 AND $39.95 FOR THE COMPLETE KIT! IF MY > POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS DO NOT THINK THAT IS A BARGAIN COMPARED TO WHAT > IS AVAILABLE, THAT IS THEIR RIGHT. ( I GUESS I COULD START SHIPPING > THEM IN A GOLD BAG)?. AGAIN, THIS IS _ MY LAST RESPONSE TO YOUR > ARGUMENTATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT MY 8096-D BELT OR HOW MUCH I CHARGE FOR > SHIPPING. WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED WITH MY PRICING AND OTHER > POLICIES? IT DOES NOT CONCERN YOU AND I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT YOUR, > OPINION. I SURE DO NOT HOLD A GUN TO ANYONE'S HEAD AND FORCE THEM TO > BUY MY PRODUCT? I TREAT EVERYONE WITH RESPECT AND ATTEMPT TO HELP > THEM WITH ANY PROBLEM THEY HAVE RELATED OR UNRELATED TO MY PRODUCT > AND SERVICE. IN RESPONDING TO YOU, I COME OFF AS A SMART A-- , AND > THAT IS NOT ME! IF I DECIDE, I AM NOT HAPPY WITH MY 8096-D SALES, > AND THE CUSTOMERS ARE NOT HAPPY WITH MY 8096-D PRICING ($20 ea. on > eBay, Buy 1 or Buy 100), I JUST WILL NOT PLACE ANOTHER ORDER! THAT > WOULD BE A REAL SHAME, SINCE (by your explanation), IT IS THE BEST > "GENERIC" MONEY CAN BUY! ___ PLEASE, GO SELL YOUR $1.79 AND $3.00 > BELTS, AND LEAVE THE GROUP AND MYSELF ALONE. AND FINALLY, IF ANYONE > IN THE GROUP HAS ADDITIONAL INTERROGATION FOR ME, I MAY BE REACH AT: > marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com or http:// > www.marrscommunications.com _ BEST REGARDS TO ALL, FRED M. > 4/15/2008. > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 4/14/2008 4:25:42 P. Pacific Daylight Time, >> marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com writes: >> >> "Airmail" no longer exist as a option from the US. There really >> is no reasonably priced shipping method from the US any longer, >> that provides a speedy delivery and offers protection to the >> seller if the package is lost. PayPal demands the package be >> "trackable" for proof of shipment. The cost to "Register" a >> package with US mail is $10.00 and Priority runs another $15.00. >> 1st Class service "has taken" 45 days on 1 or 2 occasions which >> is absolutely ridiculous. I have plans to restructure the >> complete program in the next 30 days or so. It also appears I am >> going to be forced to deal with the shrinking US Dollar. The main >> reason the listings are lengthily is making the point of why my >> kits are $20 and a competitors is $10.00. Most buyers have no >> idea, most of the product comes from the same 3-4 "vendors" in >> the United States. >> >> Hi Fred, >> >> This is all completely untrue. You can send a belt kit in a simple >> envelope with a numbered customs form via "Airmail" for about $1.50 >> or less anywhere in the world. I have done it a 25 times - 2 >> envelopes were lost. I just replaced those belts, as that was the >> easiest thing to do. If the envelope is lost, the receiver can ask >> his own post office for the information based on the customs form >> number. You can insure the same airmail envelope for about another >> $1.50, which gives another traceable number if you need it. >> >> As I brought up in a previous posting, you are currently charging >> $23.20 for a Dragon Belt kit including US shipping. Those three >> belts cost a total of $3.15 plus shipping online if one knows what to >> buy. I buy them myself at that cost. You seem anxious to sell your >> stock, but you're learning a simple Econ 101 lesson - prices are >> determined in the marketplace. Charge a higher price, and someone >> else can come in under you and take your business away. I notice >> Gianni, who sells on eBay under the name Soph_It, is selling the same >> belts for $17.80 including shipping from Italy. Since the Dragon has >> no drive belt, there is no W & F issue at all. I think I'll just >> keep on buying them for $3.15 plus shipping, thank you >> >> BTW, your new classic Nak belt doesn't test very much better than >> Gianni's latest belt either. I personally don't like calling it the >> "8096D" because that gives it the status of a Nak belt, which it >> isn't. It may be one of the better generic belts around, but if one >> wants the very best performance from their Nak, one still must buy >> the original belt from ESL for $55. The test results on your belt >> are slightly higher in W & F than the real thing, so whatever it is, >> it's not a belt made to the original specs by a maker who used to >> make the original Nak 8096C for Nakamichi itself as you have >> claimed. As I previously said, when I got one from you on eBay, I >> left you positive feedback as I give you a good-faith benefit of the >> doubt, but I don't like your claims that specs don't matter or can't >> be heard, or that you can't ship internationally at a reasonable cost >> because "Airmail no longer exists as an option from the US." >> >> Jeff Whittier >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance >> . >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Tue Apr 15 20:35:30 2008 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:35:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] VERY Slack..... In-Reply-To: <20080414232733.TMVR22792.fep26.mail.dk@smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl> References: <041420080209.13689.4802BCE20000A6770000357922155754749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <20080414232733.TMVR22792.fep26.mail.dk@smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20080415183529.EAKT1169.fep47.mail.dk@melissa> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:26:44 -0500, "orders at pennysconstruction" wrote: >..Another >thing to note is, he got a negative, and retaliated with a negative back. >There for he is the type of seller that does not leave feedback unless the >buyer does first. Actually there is nothing wrong with that, if only he was a seller who waited for the buyer to be happy customer by the time he places feedback. Could be he is not interested in that. >Also no paypal excepted (Bad). From a guy who refused to get paypal (I was >forced) to a guy who loves it now. I know how you feel. PayPal is almost like women. -Mikkel From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Apr 15 21:20:32 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:20:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! In-Reply-To: <002901c89efd$9d069d30$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <9C70B9D9AF8E45C9BF48DD7C7D957D6B@GrahamNPC> Do you think Naktalk has that much influence? I bought my ZX9 several years ago for £450, which is around $900 by today's money, but it wasn't anything like that much in US $ at the time. Probably more in the region of $600-700. I think you have to bear in mind the loss of value in the $ makes prices seem higher than they are in real terms. (It ought to be a great time for us Brits to be buying stuff in the US except your postal rates have gone sky high, generally making it unviable to purchase and import hi fi items from the US. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rainer & Joy-Ell Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:36 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! It seems the prices for various models seems to fluctuate quite a bit. Last year the ZX-9 and BX-300 were going for a lot more than they are fetching this year. I think it has a lot to do with which models are talked about on Naktalk. The BX-300 (probably the most under-rated deck IMO) for example was talked about lots in the fall and prices were double of what they are now. From enoyes at snet.net Wed Apr 16 00:08:52 2008 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:08:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FINAL COMMENT In-Reply-To: <4804E8F8.7000004@marrscommunications.com> References: <4804D8D5.6070108@marrscommunications.com> <4804E8F8.7000004@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <48052774.2080903@snet.net> Fred, It's not worth the fight. No matter what you say there will be those who for whatever reason feel the need to enlighten the world with the "truth" whatever that may mean. I know full well the problems associated with tracking US postage. For those of you who like to nail ebay sellers who are scammers, imaging my shock when PayPal took $2000 away from me because a Ukrainian buyer provided a stolen account to me (the seller) and I no longer had my B&W speakers or the money I needed because a Customs form was not sufficient for protection coverage! I've always enjoyed this group because of the diversity, knowledge base, and sense of community. It is ironic that the only working Nak I currently have is a lowly LX-3, and I only pop in a tape maybe once a month. I was one of the very first members of this group and I have to say that I'm not here because I need to know anything about my one deck that I almost never use. I'm here because of a passion that goes back to when I was a kid and because of the wide range of individuals from all over the world who make this forum truly unique and interesting. Those rare individuals who have been a source of friction in this group over the last ten or so years stick out like sore thumbs. There have only been a few, but in the end those few have driven away some of the most interesting members I've encountered on any group. We may disagree, but there is no reason to beat a topic or person to death. If someone feels that strongly, then take it outside. Ed Marrs Communications wrote: > SORRY ED, THIS IS MY LAST POST PERIOD. FRED M. You don't need to apologize to me. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Apr 15 21:09:50 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:09:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Repair for a 480 in Denver? In-Reply-To: <10644112.1208266554048.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10644112.1208266554048.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <17d5ee910804151209w9daf70cgdbbf23756cbbaae0@mail.gmail.com> Good to know, my 480 has a bit of problems like this. The capstan belt probably needs replacement, it's pretty loose and when I manually stop the right capstan's flywheel, the belt continues to run for a few seconds. What should be used to lubricate the capstans? Sewing machine / sharpening oil only causes problems where I use it (Runs well for a few days, and becomes worse after.) In my case however, sometimes the sound is muddy at first, and becomes OK after a while, and sometimes it's the opposite. Could the pinch rollers have a problem like this? I know my capstan and timer belts are done, but the cam belt seems OK, is it worth replacing as well using a kit from Fred? 2008/4/15, Tom Brucker : > james, > Unfortunately you may have sticky pinch roller arms. The pivots gum up so the guides rise too slowly in play mode. Remove the cassette holder cover and observe the pinch rollers with no tape loaded and press play. If they seem to come up and contact the capstans quickly, then replace the capstan belt (C8096D from Marrs communications) and lubricate the capstan bearings. > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: James Brodsky > >Sent: Apr 14, 2008 6:53 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Repair for a 480 in Denver? > > > >Hi - first time poster. I have a 480 that appears to have the very > >common issue of playing a tape nicely for about 5 seconds and then > >getting progressively muddier and muddier until the sound drops > >completely. Certain tapes as well become slightly eaten along one > >edge. I obviously have tape transport issues, but I don't want to dump > >a ton of money into this deck. Is there anyone in the Denver area > >recommended for repair? The deck once went to Sonic Sense (Marc > >Nutter) years ago but they no longer perform repairs. -- Antoine Deschênes From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Apr 15 21:15:14 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:15:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Digital to Analog Copy Question In-Reply-To: <48049B3D.70009@rcn.com> References: <1F460BFB-F8F0-41A6-BD85-833AB004558D@alumni.caltech.edu> <78B00D72-4B02-4227-B110-D2EA5051826C@kvglabs.com> <17d5ee910804091546g2c476228kcf2369818591f9ea@mail.gmail.com> <4800BB78.3080908@rcn.com> <17d5ee910804121142m502ad671h94397c3085c9960e@mail.gmail.com> <48049B3D.70009@rcn.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910804151215i6b4aa422na26ba715d17d507e@mail.gmail.com> Exactly, and I don't know what copy protection scheme the Studer R2R uses, but why can't the noise be caused by the format's protection scheme just because CDs have dropouts when copied to the 2nd generation? 2008/4/15, Ron : > > This has nothing to do with Studer. When you copy a CD > or DAT, you are dealing with the format copy protection. > standard. > > -- Ron > > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > Who said Studer uses the exact same copy protection scheme as > > protected CDs do, if that's the cause? > > > > 2008/4/12, Ron : > > > > > > > When one makes a 2nd generation copy of a protected > > > CD, the sound suffers from continuous dropouts. This is > > > nothing like 'some noise'. > > > > > > --Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kermit, > > > > > > > > is there's really some noise appearing in the 4th generation, it might > be > > > > > > > > > > > a copy protection flag. Some CD copy protection scheme work similarly, > you > > > can only do backups of the original disc, you can't then decide to copy > a > > > CD-R made from it. > > > > > > > > > > Antoine > > > > > > > > 2008/4/9, Kermit Gray > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Kimo, you have some good observations. Studer's > > > > admonition that it wasn't until the fourth generation that 6 db > > > > increase in s/ ratio occurred never made sense to me, but I > > > > figured that the manufacturer should know their machine. Your > > > > ideas make much more sense, though. > > > > I think the tapes recorded with the Studer could playback on a > > > > Sony PCM3324 or PCM3348, but I had trouble playing back tapes > > > > recorded by a Sony PCM-3324 on the Studer. You had to know what > > > > format the tape you made on the Studer because it could record as > > > > a 16-bit 48-track recorder or 24-bit 24-track recorder. I leased > > > > one for about a year, 1994. I liked much better than the previous > > > > digital multitrack I leased, the Sony PCM-3324, but by 1995 I > > > > wasn't doing enough recording to justify keeping the expensive > > > > Studer. Weirdly, 24-track DASH machines recorded on half of the > > > > tape's width and could be played on the 48-track machines with no > > > > modifications. But 48-track tapes could be played on a 24-track > > > > machine but you could access only the first 24 tracks. The Studer > > > > got it 24 bits, if I recall correctly, by using all 48 tracks but > > > > using two tracks per recorded channel, so if you did a 24-track > > > > tape it would play on the Sony PCM-3348 and PCM-3324 but at lower > > > > resolution. DASH format tapes were a headache! > > > > > > > > I did try a Mitsubishi X-400 16-track, then found that its ProDigi > > > > format was totally incompatible with my DASH tapes. By then, > > > > though, I no longer needed any digital multitrack, and had gone > > > > back to using only my Teac, Studer A80 and Scully 280B analog > > > > multitrack recorders. In 1999 I sold the Studer A80, and in 2001 I > > > > sold the Teac and Scully decks and was persuaded to replace them > > > > with a software DAW multitrack (Logic Audio running on a > > > > Macintosh). These sales reflect my increasingly-reduced need for > > > > multitrack recording. > > > > I have regretted the purchase of the software DAW ever since. > > > > Fortunately a dear friend gave me a Teac A3440 to replace the one > > > > I sold. Although I still have the software DAW multitrack, it now > > > > sits under a desk, unused, collecting dust. I truly, vehemently, > > > > dislike recording with software DAWs and would rather have bamboo > > > > shoots stuck under my fingernails than ever have to do another > > > > session with one again! > > > > > > > > If I ever again need to do a serious multitrack recording I will > > > > buy a good analog tape transport, then build my own recording and > > > > reproduce electronics for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Antoine Deschênes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Apr 15 20:47:32 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:47:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Identification of spare part-Help needed! Message-ID: In a message dated 4/15/2008 11:43:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: I think the 8218A is a reel motor used in the following decks, 482, 582Z, 670ZX, 680, 680ZX and possibly others. Rgds, Ben Hi Ben, I've got a spare one of these to compare it to, with the same numbers. It's definitely the Sankyo cam motor, not the reel motor you're talking about. Jeff **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Apr 15 20:55:52 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:55:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT Message-ID: In a message dated 4/15/2008 11:45:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, zero_duke at yahoo.co.uk writes: I understand what you are saying about the original belt and the 0C08096D. And I do agree that the original has to be the best! But the price list mentioned here is not the one ESL is sending me for a 1000ZXL. These are from last week. You will see it is not $55 but $75. Wow, that's steep. Has anyone tested their replacement belt which they are selling for $45? Jeff W **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Tue Apr 15 22:40:08 2008 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:40:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My eyes hurt... Message-ID: and my brain has indigestion, to say nothing of a bad case of gas. Dear Colleagues, After reading countless posts of late, of a certain tub-thumping nature, perhaps I need a vacation from this otherwise very useful forum. But, at the risk of sounding like an old fussbudget, may I offer just a few suggestions regarding certain keys on our PCs and their rational (and considerate!) use... The CAPS LOCK and CARRIAGE RETURN (ENTER) keys: Does anyone really believe that typing 30-line long blocks of text in CAPS -- with marginal punctuation -- conveys any more "weight" to an argument? As one reader/member, I'd simply say this is TAXING, ennervating, and anxiety-provoking...to say nothing of bloody TEDIOUS and inconsiderate to readers. Please, even if you slept through high-school English, try separating your rants -- er, expositions of fact -- into manageable paragraphs. This occurs, ever so easily, by pressing the key that says "Enter." You will have unloaded as much passion as you intended...but you will also have given the reader the chance to digest the whole damn pot roast in slices, rather than huge gag-inducing gulps. As to the ALL-CAPS, please KNOCK IT OFF. It doesn't make you the slightest bit more convincing. I know we're all passionate about our prized Nakamichi decks, but couldn't we direct that passion toward enjoying the music? Or, if there is something that needs to come out, out of passion, conviction, whatever, how 'bout this -- Make sure the CAPS LOCK button is "off." Let it pour from your brain into the keyboard, beat the living crap outta those keys...get it all out. Then, relax...sit on it for an hour, or a day. It's not a nuclear weapon or a cheap firecracker with a lighted fuse; it'll keep. Then, break it up into some "digestible" paragraphs. I'll bet you'll convince more of us as to the "soundness" of your arguments. Thanks, everyone, for your consideration. Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 00:10:09 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: All Caps! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <528881.95818.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I can't even begin to read his long last email with all caps and no paragraphs. David ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 00:37:26 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! In-Reply-To: <9C70B9D9AF8E45C9BF48DD7C7D957D6B@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <762966.41292.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> We could do a test. I could email to some of you which decks I'm looking for. Then you could all write in about how over rated they are and how the CR-7E or some other one is really the best. Then I'll let you know what I'm able to get the decks I want for. :-) David --- Graham A Nelson wrote: > Do you think Naktalk has that much influence? > > I bought my ZX9 several years ago for £450, which is > around $900 by today's > money, but it wasn't anything like that much in US $ > at the time. Probably > more in the region of $600-700. I think you have to > bear in mind the loss > of value in the $ makes prices seem higher than they > are in real terms. (It > ought to be a great time for us Brits to be buying > stuff in the US except > your postal rates have gone sky high, generally > making it unviable to > purchase and import hi fi items from the US. > > Gra' > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 15 22:32:03 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Repair for a 480 in Denver? Message-ID: <17795493.1208291523951.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Antione, A belt that is too thick and too tight causes the sound to begin ok but muddy or go out altogether within a few seconds. A loose belt actually works well until slippage affects wow or speed. I would check the guide timing. Typically the left side guide and roller will touch the tape first, creating a loop, until the right take up roller contacts the tape, and the loop is pulled out. It sounds as if the oils have been mixed. Try cleaning as much old oil from the capstan and fron the inside of each bearing (alcohol on q tip wooden stick, several applications until the stick come out "clean". Then let it dry well and apply fresh oil. Nak pinch rollers seem to last forever. A worn roller can cause what you are hearing. To check hold a flat edge hobby knife (X acto knife) and visually inspect for a crowned surface. If it is flat, then the pinch roller is ok. Get a bet kit. When the cam belt slips it is time! tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Antoine Deschênes >Sent: Apr 15, 2008 3:09 PM >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Repair for a 480 in Denver? > >Good to know, my 480 has a bit of problems like this. > >The capstan belt probably needs replacement, it's pretty loose and >when I manually stop the right capstan's flywheel, the belt continues >to run for a few seconds. > >What should be used to lubricate the capstans? Sewing machine / >sharpening oil only causes problems where I use it (Runs well for a >few days, and becomes worse after.) > >In my case however, sometimes the sound is muddy at first, and becomes >OK after a while, and sometimes it's the opposite. Could the pinch >rollers have a problem like this? > >I know my capstan and timer belts are done, but the cam belt seems OK, >is it worth replacing as well using a kit from Fred? > > >2008/4/15, Tom Brucker : >> james, >> Unfortunately you may have sticky pinch roller arms. The pivots gum up so the guides rise too slowly in play mode. Remove the cassette holder cover and observe the pinch rollers with no tape loaded and press play. If they seem to come up and contact the capstans quickly, then replace the capstan belt (C8096D from Marrs communications) and lubricate the capstan bearings. >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: James Brodsky >> >Sent: Apr 14, 2008 6:53 PM >> >To: naktalk at naks.com >> >Subject: [naktalk] Repair for a 480 in Denver? >> > >> >Hi - first time poster. I have a 480 that appears to have the very >> >common issue of playing a tape nicely for about 5 seconds and then >> >getting progressively muddier and muddier until the sound drops >> >completely. Certain tapes as well become slightly eaten along one >> >edge. I obviously have tape transport issues, but I don't want to dump >> >a ton of money into this deck. Is there anyone in the Denver area >> >recommended for repair? The deck once went to Sonic Sense (Marc >> >Nutter) years ago but they no longer perform repairs. > >-- >Antoine Deschênes Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From benstratford at aol.co.uk Wed Apr 16 02:21:13 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:21:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Identification of spare part-Help needed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA6D6EE97DFE25-1478-FD3@webmail-md15.sysops.aol.com> Hi Jeff, Well done for identifying it. My mistake, the Nakamichi original part number for the reel motor stated in the service manuals for the decks I mentioned and the 660ZX + early serial number 482Z too is OC08218A, slightly different. Don't know much about the Sankyo decks yet. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 6:47 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Identification of spare part-Help needed! In a message dated 4/15/2008 11:43:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: I think the 8218A is a reel motor used in the following decks, 482, 582Z,?670ZX, 680, 680ZX and possibly others. Rgds, Ben Hi Ben, ? I've got a spare one of these to compare it to, with the same numbers. ? It's definitely the Sankyo cam motor, not the reel motor you're talking about. ? Jeff It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Apr 16 03:23:28 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:23:28 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Identification of spare part-Help needed! Message-ID: In a message dated 4/15/2008 5:38:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: My mistake, the Nakamichi original part number for the reel motor stated in the service manuals for the decks I mentioned and the 660ZX + early serial number 482Z too is OC08218A, slightly different. Don't know much about the Sankyo decks yet. Hi Ben, I've already mentioned this to Manos, but it's worth bringing up on Naktalk too. The parts list from Tom which was scanned by Scott and put up on Ebaman gives the Nak parts numbers such as your OC08218A. These are not the same numbers which appear on the little stickers found on Nak motors. The motors were supplied in plastic bags with a paper tag in Japanese characters which contain the OC08218A type part number in English script. The motors themselves have a sticker with a different internal code - VA-700B is one of the sticker codes for the Sankyo cam motor. Sometimes these numbers on the sticker are Mabuchi or Matsushita motor numbers such as the EG-510ED-2B Mabuchi number for the classic transport capstan motor or the Matsushita MMN--6A2MKXA for the classic reel motor. A cam motor for the 480 which I have in front of me has the Mabuchi number RF-260T-08450 - this is probably the same or equivalent to your OC08218A. I've done hours of searching on line for these Mabuchi and Matsushita numbers and have come up with a few motors from various sources, a very few. However, for the classic transport decks there are always the perfectly good transports from 480's sold on eBay with a broken eject button. These go for as little as $20 and I encourage anyone with a few classic decks to pick one up while they still exist for parts to support your classic deck in the future. For parts decks to support the Sankyo decks, there's always the 2 head BX's and the CR-1. I have managed to get a few of these for as little as $15 including shipping! A lot of them have idler problems or some other little annoying problem which make people dump them. The motors are often perfectly good. I personally don't like to trash any working Nak deck for parts, no matter how humble, but often a very inexpensive BX-100 or a CR-1 may save a BX-300, CR-7, or CR-4. Jeff W **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Wed Apr 16 06:22:26 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:22:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Identification of spare part-Help needed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA6D90967DF7D9-FB8-1F41@mblk-d27.sysops.aol.com> Great info Jeff.? It is a nightmare looking at a motor with those RF-260.......... numbers and trying to decypher what they are.? And good advice to snap up a few parts decks too.? I'm always looking for a good source of t -----Original Message----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 1:23 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Identification of spare part-Help needed! In a message dated 4/15/2008 5:38:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: My mistake, the Nakamichi original part number for the reel motor stated in the service manuals for the decks I mentioned and the 660ZX + early serial number 482Z too is OC08218A, slightly different. Don't know much about the Sankyo decks yet. Hi Ben, ? I've already mentioned this to Manos, but it's worth bringing up on Naktalk too.? The parts list from Tom which was scanned by Scott and put up on Ebaman gives the Nak parts numbers such as?your OC08218A.? These are not the same numbers which appear on the little stickers found on Nak motors.? The motors were supplied in plastic bags with a paper?tag in Japanese characters which contain the OC08218A type part number in English script.? The motors themselves have a sticker with a different internal code - VA-700B is one of the sticker codes for the Sankyo cam motor.? Sometimes these numbers on the sticker are Mabuchi or Matsushita motor numbers such as the EG-510ED-2B Mabuchi number for the classic transport capstan motor or the Matsushita MMN--6A2MKXA for the classic reel motor.? A cam motor for the 480 which I have in front of me has the Mabuchi number RF-260T-08450 - this is probably the same or equivalent to your OC08218A.? ? I've done hours of searching on line for these Mabuchi and Matsushita numbers and have come up with a few motors from various sources, a very few.? However, for the classic transport decks there are always the perfectly good transports from 480's sold on eBay with a broken eject button.? These go for as little as $20 and I encourage anyone with a few classic decks to pick one up while they still exist for parts to support your classic deck in the future. ? For parts decks to support the Sankyo decks, there's always the 2 head BX's and the CR-1.? I have managed to get a few of these for as little as $15 including shipping!? A lot of them have idler problems or some other little annoying problem which make people dump them.? The motors are often perfectly good.? I personally don't like to trash any working Nak deck for parts, no matter how humble, but often a very inexpensive BX-100 or a CR-1 may save a BX-300, CR-7, or CR-4.? ? Jeff W It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 16 15:57:22 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:57:22 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] My eyes hurt... Message-ID: <3792171.1208354242307.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Apr 16 13:53:32 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:53:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! Message-ID: <041620081153.9333.4805E8BC0000922A0000247522155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> David wrote: "We could do a test. I could email to some of you which decks I'm looking for. Then you could all write in about how over rated they are and how the CR-7E or some other one is really the best. Then I'll let you know what I'm able to get the decks I want for. :-) " LOL! That sounds like a good plan! But we might get arrested for "insider trading" or "price fixing"! LOL! P.S.: The 682ZX is the worst deck I've ever heard. ;-) *andy* From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 15:33:01 2008 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] My eyes hurt... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <260639.25074.qm@web84104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bless you. Even if its not a rant, its so much easier to read when punctuated and separated into paragraphs. Steve Ember wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } and my brain has indigestion, to say nothing of a bad case of gas. Dear Colleagues, After reading countless posts of late, of a certain tub-thumping nature, perhaps I need a vacation from this otherwise very useful forum. But, at the risk of sounding like an old fussbudget, may I offer just a few suggestions regarding certain keys on our PCs and their rational (and considerate!) use... The CAPS LOCK and CARRIAGE RETURN (ENTER) keys: Does anyone really believe that typing 30-line long blocks of text in CAPS -- with marginal punctuation -- conveys any more "weight" to an argument? As one reader/member, I'd simply say this is TAXING, ennervating, and anxiety-provoking...to say nothing of bloody TEDIOUS and inconsiderate to readers. Please, even if you slept through high-school English, try separating your rants -- er, expositions of fact -- into manageable paragraphs. This occurs, ever so easily, by pressing the key that says "Enter." You will have unloaded as much passion as you intended...but you will also have given the reader the chance to digest the whole damn pot roast in slices, rather than huge gag-inducing gulps. As to the ALL-CAPS, please KNOCK IT OFF. It doesn't make you the slightest bit more convincing. I know we're all passionate about our prized Nakamichi decks, but couldn't we direct that passion toward enjoying the music? Or, if there is something that needs to come out, out of passion, conviction, whatever, how 'bout this -- Make sure the CAPS LOCK button is "off." Let it pour from your brain into the keyboard, beat the living crap outta those keys...get it all out. Then, relax...sit on it for an hour, or a day. It's not a nuclear weapon or a cheap firecracker with a lighted fuse; it'll keep. Then, break it up into some "digestible" paragraphs. I'll bet you'll convince more of us as to the "soundness" of your arguments. Thanks, everyone, for your consideration. Steve ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 16:27:29 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: In-Reply-To: <200804161002.m3GA1Ake024457@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <261501.29445.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Wow, I think I know more about belts for Naks than I EVER wanted to know.;-) Adrian, I too bought a non-working Nak RX-505 off of ebay, although it was stated as; "working perfectly". Initially, it was going to be a *fun* project for me to work on. I battled with the deck for months as it sat on my coffee table in parts. Even with a Service Manual, I was in over my head. I finally realized it had more 'voodoo' than I could deal with and sent it to *andy* here. There are a couple of people much closer, but I really found *andy* to be a most agreeable and honest fellow. We were also trading parts and information about decks. *andy* concluded that the deck hadn't worked for many yrs, due to everything being gummed up and frozen. At least this was sort of a blessing, in that there was no tape wear during that period.;-) He fixed the deck and I'm still amazed at how effortlessly the mechanical parts of this deck function. It also concludes a legacy for me, in that I've wanted one since the first time I saw a RX-505 at a stereo show long ago. Personally, I think it's an underrated deck and can stand shoulder to shoulder with any Nak. However, as you said, their popularity is such that they will usually bring what was paid AND the service fee to bring them back to full life. I may never buy another Nak deck.....that is unless a ZX-9 is dropped into my lap offline somewhere.;-) Kevin Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:15:43 +0100 From: "adrian at thegreatbear.net" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS - uk options To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes My recent belt / service experience maybe useful for uk or european nak owners - I recently bought a non working RX505 from ebay - it had a very worn idler, the one that's deep in the mech.. I sent it to B&W in the UK, who did a full overhaul, mechanical and electrical calibration - idler, all belts and pressure rollers were replaced - An original capstan belt was fitted and it's price on the invoice was less than the ebay prices mentioned here and much much less than the esl price... They don't sell these parts individually though, so you'd have to get your machined serviced and shipped there but it seemed really reasonable to me, especially given the type of repair needed and my lack of original parts and gauges.. I'm always usually a DIY person, but I have my limits and given the popularity of this deck I could still get my original purchase price and service costs back if I decided to sell it, which I probably won't! adrian ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Apr 15 20:53:58 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:53:58 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS Message-ID: In a message dated 4/15/2008 11:45:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, john_194600 at yahoo.com writes: Jeff you have Fred's email, if you have a problem with him let him know...your sniping is really getting old. Sorry, I don't have the appetite you have for false claims. Fred wants to sell his belts using Naktalk. He makes up all kinds of claims for his belts - some of them very wild. Unfortunately some of us actually have W & F meters. I think maybe you should object to Fred's false claims, not my rebuttal. If Fred wants to claim his belts are OEM quality made by the maker of the original 8096C belts on Naktalk, then he, and you, should be prepared for tests which refute that claim. Jeff W **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Apr 15 21:59:37 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:59:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS Message-ID: In a message dated 4/15/2008 4:27:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, enoyes at snet.net writes: CAN WE PLEASE TAKE THIS BS OFF LINE. WE ARE ALL ADULTS WHO CAN MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT TO BUY AT WHAT PRICE OR HOW IMPORTANT THE DIFFERENCE IN W&F IS OR IF THE SHIPPING IS TOO EXPENSIVE OR NOT OR.... WE HAVE ALL READ THE ARGUMENTS BACK AND FORTH UNTIL OUR EYES HURT. PERSONALLY, I'VE HEARD ENOUGH GOOD STUFF ABOUT FRED'S BELTS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE USED THEM THAT I WOULD PROBABLY BUY ONE IF I NEEDED IT. MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T, BUT THAT'S MY (AND YOUR) PERSONAL RIGHT. THIS HAS BECOME FAR OLDER AND MORE TIRING THAN THE JEFF GALIN VS STEPHEN SANK BASHING THAT WENT ON YEARS AGO. THAT DEBATE WAS A DRAG THAT LED TO VERY LITTLE THAT WAS IN ANY WAY CONCLUSIVE. LET'S CALL THIS ONE, PLEASE! ED Hi Ed, Let me put it to you this way - I bought belts from Fred on eBay. He included one of his new belts which he asked me to test. I mounted it in a 481 and a 480. Both decks had old belts which I would like to replace. In both decks, the Wow & Flutter test results for Fred's belts were worse than the old, dried Nak belts - noticeable worse. I removed Fred's belt from each deck and put the old, dried Nak belt back in - because the old belt was better. So if you or anybody else wants to replace their old Nak 8096 belt with a belt which doesn't perform as well as the old one, go right ahead. It's your money down the drain, not mine. Jeff W **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Apr 16 20:04:05 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:04:05 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! Message-ID: In a message dated 4/16/2008 11:03:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: The 682ZX is the worst deck I've ever heard. ;-) Definitely. BTW, you got one for sale? JW **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Apr 16 21:21:20 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:21:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BELTS? Message-ID: <480651B0.5060904@xs4all.nl> No more. I won't allow this subject anymore since you guys don't know how to handle this discussion in a grown-up way. Wouter From john_194600 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 21:56:01 2008 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! Message-ID: <189281.59517.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have two 682zx's; they sound so bad I now use them as paper weights... JN ----- Original Message ---- From: "hwbosshoss at comcast.net" To: fripp_em at yahoo.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:53:32 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! David wrote: "We could do a test. I could email to some of you which decks I'm looking for. Then you could all write in about how over rated they are and how the CR-7E or some other one is really the best. Then I'll let you know what I'm able to get the decks I want for. :-) " LOL! That sounds like a good plan! But we might get arrested for "insider trading" or "price fixing"! LOL! P.S.: The 682ZX is the worst deck I've ever heard. ;-) *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From benstratford at aol.co.uk Wed Apr 16 22:16:46 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:16:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! In-Reply-To: <189281.59517.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <189281.59517.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CA6E15EDD30BB1-E4C-13C0@Webmail-mg07.sim.aol.com> The zxl limited - boat anchor! lol, Ben -----Original Message----- From: John To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 7:56 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! I have two 682zx's; they sound so bad I now use them as paper weights... JN ----- Original Message ---- From: "hwbosshoss at comcast.net" To: fripp_em at yahoo.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:53:32 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! David wrote: "We could do a test. I could email to some of you which decks I'm looking for. Then you could all write in about how over rated they are and how the CR-7E or some other one is really the best. Then I'll let you know what I'm able to get the decks I want for. :-) " LOL! That sounds like a good plan! But we might get arrested for "insider trading" or "price fixing"! LOL! P.S.: The 682ZX is the worst deck I've ever heard. ;-) *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 22:22:55 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! In-Reply-To: <189281.59517.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <800263.18619.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'll buy them from you with my negative tax refund:-) David --- John wrote: > I have two 682zx's; they sound so bad I now use them > as paper weights... > > JN > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Apr 17 00:35:34 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:35:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No, you will HATE it, JW. Let me save you from this dreadful machine and buy it instead Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 7:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! In a message dated 4/16/2008 11:03:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: The 682ZX is the worst deck I've ever heard. ;-) Definitely. BTW, you got one for sale? JW _____ Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Thu Apr 17 01:23:35 2008 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:23:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OCO 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT - SALES RESULTS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48068A77.2010400@snet.net> That's fine. The point is that we all know know what you have to say about Fred's belts. In fact, we have known what you have to say about Fred's belts for some time. In fact, we know it over and over and over again. The people who have bought Fred's belts and been happy with them (and there are members here who have) might make a note of it once and then move on. It would be just as frustrating if some very loyal customer of Fred's started sending numerous and repetitive rebuttals to you via this forum. This subject has been beaten to death, but it doesn't matter that much to me as it's probably time for me to exit the forum anyway. Ed Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/15/2008 4:27:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > enoyes at snet.net writes: > > CAN WE PLEASE TAKE THIS BS OFF LINE. WE ARE ALL ADULTS WHO CAN > MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT TO BUY AT WHAT PRICE OR HOW > IMPORTANT THE DIFFERENCE IN W&F IS OR IF THE SHIPPING IS TOO > EXPENSIVE OR NOT OR.... WE HAVE ALL READ THE ARGUMENTS BACK AND > FORTH UNTIL OUR EYES HURT. PERSONALLY, I'VE HEARD ENOUGH GOOD > STUFF ABOUT FRED'S BELTS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE USED THEM THAT I > WOULD PROBABLY BUY ONE IF I NEEDED IT. MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T, BUT > THAT'S MY (AND YOUR) PERSONAL RIGHT. THIS HAS BECOME FAR OLDER AND > MORE TIRING THAN THE JEFF GALIN VS STEPHEN SANK BASHING THAT WENT > ON YEARS AGO. THAT DEBATE WAS A DRAG THAT LED TO VERY LITTLE THAT > WAS IN ANY WAY CONCLUSIVE. LET'S CALL THIS ONE, PLEASE! > > ED > > > > Hi Ed, > > Let me put it to you this way - I bought belts from Fred on eBay. He > included one of his new belts which he asked me to test. I mounted it > in a 481 and a 480. Both decks had old belts which I would like to > replace. In both decks, the Wow & Flutter test results for Fred's > belts were worse than the old, dried Nak belts - noticeable worse. I > removed Fred's belt from each deck and put the old, dried Nak belt > back in - because the old belt was better. So if you or anybody else > wants to replace their old Nak 8096 belt with a belt which doesn't > perform as well as the old one, go right ahead. It's your money down > the drain, not mine. > > Jeff W > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance > . > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garry at saundersfamily1.com Thu Apr 17 00:14:04 2008 From: garry at saundersfamily1.com (Garry Saunders) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:14:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! In-Reply-To: <800263.18619.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401c8a00f$3017aa30$0200a8c0@GARRYESAUNDER> It's great to see the group still has a (very funny) sense of humour. In addition to the 682ZX I would add the DR1, Cassette Deck 1 and the Dragon. That playback azimuth adjustment for all those tapes recorded on non Nak machines is such a drag! Who needs it. LOL Garry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of fripp_em Sent: 16 April 2008 21:23 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! I'll buy them from you with my negative tax refund:-) David --- John wrote: > I have two 682zx's; they sound so bad I now use them > as paper weights... > > JN > ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == From mark_j at tulsaconnect.com Thu Apr 17 00:17:06 2008 From: mark_j at tulsaconnect.com (Mark Jarrett @ Thompson A / V Service) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:17:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 350 plays but no FF/Rew Message-ID: <48067AE2.90605@tulsaconnect.com> Hey! Y'all! A customer brought in a 350 & a Bx-300 'bout a week & 1/2 ago... I found belts for both, & got the Bx-300 up & runnin' (including cleaning the mode switches), but I'm having a problem w/ the 350... I can't get the FF/Rew to work, I've checked the switches & they look good (w/ a meter of course!), the linkage to the drive motor switch per (nak350 service.pdf pg#6 Fig. 3.7 p/n F03) works fine for play, but not for FF or Rew... unless I manually actuate the switch! Is there a spring or another linkage (that I'm not seeing) that actuates the drive motor switch, other than the linkage on (underneath) the play button? -- Thanks everso, Mark Jarrett @ Thompson A/V Service Thompson Audio Visual Inc. 9410 E. 51st St. Ste. P Tulsa, OK. 74145 918/ 664-7444 800/ 722-7326 FAX: 918-664-7449 Thunderbird: Reclaim Your Inbox http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/ Firefox: Rediscover the Web http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Apr 17 00:06:21 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:06:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! In-Reply-To: <189281.59517.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <189281.59517.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080416220617.TPFJ7068.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> I'm thinking of buying a 682ZX to replace a couple of bricks in my house's foundation. At 03:56 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote: >I have two 682zx's; they sound so bad I now use them as paper weights... > >JN > >----- Original Message ---- >From: "hwbosshoss at comcast.net" >To: fripp_em at yahoo.com >Cc: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:53:32 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! From benstratford at aol.co.uk Thu Apr 17 03:00:41 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:00:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX - not logical Message-ID: <8CA6E3D97987CC7-E4C-21BB@Webmail-mg07.sim.aol.com> Guru's, Houston (Or Nashville / Orinda / Brisbane etc) I have a problem. Changed the idler tyre and belts the other day and replaced the transport without problems.? Tweeked the positions of VR402 and VR 403 to perfectly align the stop and play marks and set the deck speed nicely.? After observing for a while, I noted that the tyre seemed to bounce a little and it wouldn't settle down.? Tapes played well and all functionality was normal. So today I removed?the tyre?and replaced it with a new one again which this time is perfectly round and runs very smoothly. Fired up the deck and the cam control motor immediately activates and keeps trying to constantly wind the cam to the end stop and beyond.? No amount of adjustment of VR402 or VR 403 makes any difference.? Something must have failed / been shorted. Any Ideas where to start looking? Cheers, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Apr 17 09:38:45 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:38:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! In-Reply-To: <20080416220617.TPFJ7068.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <0DC615878AE24E14B262F0CCB40C9F01@GrahamNPC> Roland, At the risk of forcing up the price of the 682ZX, I must tell you that this model is extremely good as a house foundation stone. This is because they do not absorb water and, therefore, are excellent at preventing rising damp. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:06 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! I'm thinking of buying a 682ZX to replace a couple of bricks in my house's foundation. At 03:56 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote: >I have two 682zx's; they sound so bad I now use them as paper >weights... > >JN > >----- Original Message ---- >From: "hwbosshoss at comcast.net" >To: fripp_em at yahoo.com >Cc: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:53:32 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willyherm at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 17:06:43 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:06:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX - not logical In-Reply-To: <8CA6E3D97987CC7-E4C-21BB@Webmail-mg07.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <4807670e.16048e0a.41dc.6777@mx.google.com> Ben - Most likely is that the governor pot on the back of the cam gear somehow is reading open or shorted to the circuit. Check for dirt in the pot or a broken wire leading to it. If not, something in the drive circuit has died. Check Q424 or Q425 or IC405. G'Luck Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of benstratford at aol.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:01 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX - not logical Guru's, Houston (Or Nashville / Orinda / Brisbane etc) I have a problem. Changed the idler tyre and belts the other day and replaced the transport without problems. Tweeked the positions of VR402 and VR 403 to perfectly align the stop and play marks and set the deck speed nicely. After observing for a while, I noted that the tyre seemed to bounce a little and it wouldn't settle down. Tapes played well and all functionality was normal. So today I removed the tyre and replaced it with a new one again which this time is perfectly round and runs very smoothly. Fired up the deck and the cam control motor immediately activates and keeps trying to constantly wind the cam to the end stop and beyond. No amount of adjustment of VR402 or VR 403 makes any difference. Something must have failed / been shorted. Any Ideas where to start looking? Cheers, Ben _____ Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manunta at hotmail.com Thu Apr 17 09:25:18 2008 From: manunta at hotmail.com (Marco Manunta) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:25:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a 700ZXL head, please help! Message-ID: Hi, I need a P-8L head for a 700ZXL. does anybody have such a PB head for spare on sale? I'd even buy a defective deck with this head, for example an LX-5 or similar, depending on the price. Thank you for your help. BTW: I make IR remote controls for Nakamichi decks, so I can also consider an exchange: a remote set against the head. Visit my website, www.m2tech.biz, "vintage hifi" page, for details. Thank you for your help, Marco P.S.: I tried an LX-5 head in place of the defective head in the 700ZXL, but it's way too worn out to work properly. _________________________________________________________________ Vorresti un pub diverso dal solito? Cercalo con Live Search Maps! http://maps.live.it -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Thu Apr 17 09:48:40 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:48:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! In-Reply-To: <0DC615878AE24E14B262F0CCB40C9F01@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <8CA6E7694645948-AF4-13A@MBLK-M40.sysops.aol.com> Ideal?in earthquake zones due to their resonance absorbing abilities Graham too.? Not sure about wow or flutter though! Ben -----Original Message----- From: Graham A Nelson To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 7:38 pm Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! Roland, At the risk of forcing up the price of the 682ZX, I must tell you that this model is extremely good as a house foundation stone. This is because they do not absorb water and, therefore, are excellent at preventing rising damp. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:06 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! I'm thinking of buying a 682ZX to replace a couple of bricks in my house's foundation. At 03:56 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote: >I have two 682zx's; they sound so bad I now use them as paper >weights... > >JN > >----- Original Message ---- >From: "hwbosshoss at comcast.net" >To: fripp_em at yahoo.com >Cc: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:53:32 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then you could all write >in about how over rated they are and how the CR-7E or >some other one is really the best. Then I'll let you >know what I'm able to get the decks I want for. :-) " > >LOL! That sounds like a good plan! But we might get arrested for "insider trading" or "price fixing"! LOL! > >P.S.: The 682ZX is the worst deck I've ever heard. ;-) > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a better friend, newshound, and >know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 17 15:58:00 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:58:00 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 350 plays but no FF/Rew Message-ID: <42780.1208440680827.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mark, Try depressing FF just a bit more and hold it. If the motor runs, adjust (bend) the gold contacts of that motor switch. A little bending goes a long way. No other switches are in the circuit. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: "Mark Jarrett @ Thompson A / V Service" >Sent: Apr 16, 2008 5:17 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nak 350 plays but no FF/Rew > >Hey! Y'all! > >A customer brought in a 350 & a Bx-300 'bout a week & 1/2 ago... >I found belts for both, & got the Bx-300 up & runnin' (including >cleaning the mode switches), but I'm having a problem w/ the 350... >I can't get the FF/Rew to work, I've checked the switches & they >look good (w/ a meter of course!), the linkage to the drive >motor switch per (nak350 service.pdf pg#6 Fig. 3.7 p/n F03) >works fine for play, but not for FF or Rew... unless I manually >actuate the switch! > >Is there a spring or another linkage (that I'm not seeing) >that actuates the drive motor switch, other than the linkage >on (underneath) the play button? > >-- > >Thanks everso, >Mark Jarrett @ Thompson A/V Service > >Thompson Audio Visual Inc. >9410 E. 51st St. Ste. P >Tulsa, OK. 74145 > >918/ 664-7444 >800/ 722-7326 > >FAX: 918-664-7449 > >Thunderbird: Reclaim Your Inbox http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/ > Firefox: Rediscover the Web http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 17 16:08:00 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX - not logical Message-ID: <23971099.1208441280256.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 17 16:33:39 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:33:39 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! Message-ID: <6396326.1208442819564.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Heck, all these old cassette decks are obsolete technology. Dump 'em! (at my back door) tom brucker p.s. The ZX7 and Dragon have too many knobs, and should be the first to go! -----Original Message----- >From: Graham A Nelson >Sent: Apr 17, 2008 2:38 AM >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! > >Roland, >At the risk of forcing up the price of the 682ZX, I must tell you that this >model is extremely good as a house foundation stone. This is because they >do not absorb water and, therefore, are excellent at preventing rising damp. > > >Gra' > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Roland >Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:06 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! > > >I'm thinking of buying a 682ZX to replace a couple of bricks in my >house's foundation. > > >At 03:56 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote: >>I have two 682zx's; they sound so bad I now use them as paper >>weights... >> >>JN >> >>----- Original Message ---- >>From: "hwbosshoss at comcast.net" >>To: fripp_em at yahoo.com >>Cc: naktalk at naks.com >>Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:53:32 AM >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Thu Apr 17 20:10:01 2008 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:10:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9...FINALLY, Some Respect! Message-ID: <001001c8a0b6$41a5b510$4001a8c0@main> I have a CR7A, 600II, ZX7, Dragon and 682ZX. Maybe it is a little off on the high frequency but there is something about the deck that I love. Yep, could be used for a foundation block, but I like equipment like that! Much of today's electronic equipment could not even be used as a paper-weight!!!Throw-away junk. . Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 20:25:34 2008 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:25:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a 700ZXL head, please help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <112a7fe30804171125p436dd8a6o9596b5f6e91c4d12@mail.gmail.com> It's quite strange...I never saw a worn head on a second generation Nak deck On 4/17/08, Marco Manunta wrote: > Hi, I need a P-8L head for a 700ZXL. does anybody have such a PB head for > spare on sale? I'd even buy a defective deck with this head, for example an > LX-5 or similar, depending on the price. Thank you for your help. BTW: I > make IR remote controls for Nakamichi decks, so I can also consider an > exchange: a remote set against the head. Visit my website, www.m2tech.biz, > "vintage hifi" page, for details. > Thank you for your help, > > Marco > > P.S.: I tried an LX-5 head in place of the defective head in the 700ZXL, but > it's way too worn out to work properly. > _________________________________________________________________ > Vorresti un pub diverso dal solito? Cercalo con Live Search Maps! > http://maps.live.it From pharmboy at cruzio.com Thu Apr 17 21:43:36 2008 From: pharmboy at cruzio.com (Pharmboy) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:43:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly used cassette tapes Message-ID: <20080417193714.M4219@cruzio.com> I still have about 500 used once cassette tapes available. All tapes recorded on once and played back at most 4 to 5 times only in clean home decks. All tapes stored in smoke free, temperature and humidity controlled environment and are in near mint condition. All tape was made in Japan. Brands are TDK SA & SA-X; Maxell XLII & XLII-S; and Dennon HD8 both in 90 and 100 min lengths. Please hit me off list if interested or if you have questions. From benstratford at aol.co.uk Fri Apr 18 04:05:07 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:05:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX - not logical In-Reply-To: <4807670e.16048e0a.41dc.6777@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8CA6F0FC23F5E9E-888-29F2@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Tom and Willy for your suggestions but the cream cake goes to Jeff Galin who obviously knows just how lacking in brain a am.  Jeff was straight to the problem - the cam feedback switch was not keyed to the cam after the second tyre was fitted.  Now sorted and all is well. Cheers, ben -----Original Message----- From: Willy Hermann To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 3:06 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] 682ZX - not logical Ben –   Most likely is that the governor pot on the back of the cam gear somehow is reading open or shorted to the circuit.  Check for dirt in the pot or a broken wire leading to it.  If not, something in the drive circuit has died.  Check Q424 or Q425 or IC405.    G’Luck Willy   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of benstratford at aol.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:01 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX - not logical   Guru's, Houston (Or Nashville / Orinda / Brisbane etc) I have a problem. Changed the idler tyre and belts the other day and replaced the transport without problems.  Tweeked the positions of VR402 and VR 403 to perfectly align the stop and play marks and set the deck speed nicely.  After observing for a while, I noted that the tyre seemed to bounce a little and it wouldn't settle down.  Tapes played well and all functionality was normal. So today I removed the tyre and replaced it with a new one again which this time is perfectly round and runs very smoothly. Fired up the deck and the cam control motor immediately activates and keeps trying to constantly wind the cam to the end stop and beyond.  No amount of adjustment of VR402 or VR 403 makes any difference.  Something must have failed / been shorted. Any Ideas where to start looking? Cheers, Ben Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk =======---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Fri Apr 18 05:53:58 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:53:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 682 - Not logical No.2 Message-ID: <8CA6F1EF6DF3EBC-888-2E1E@WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Guru's, Now the next problem, hopefully they only come in pairs!? Having sorted the first issue of cam switch feedback (silly me), the transport function was fine.? Played a tape and it was a bit muddy so got the service manual out again.? Set the cam stop, play and cue positions and capstan speed.? The head stroke needed slight adjustment to align in cue mode. Then the guide check gauge and the supply guide was a hair out.??BUT I found that I couldn't eject the gauge as the cam had advanced to F position in stop mode on its own! Powered off and manually retracted the heads to allow ejection.? Went back to the beginning to recheck VR402 Stop and VR403 Play - no amount of twiddling could get both in the right position.? The service manual explains what to do in this scenario by substitution of resistors as a starting point which i will have a look at. Is it normal to have to resort to this back up scenario, would a resistor have failed during the above adjustments?? Anyone have any views on this problem before I go ahead? Cheers, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From manunta at hotmail.com Fri Apr 18 14:33:47 2008 From: manunta at hotmail.com (Marco Manunta) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:33:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: RE: Looking for a 700ZXL head, please help! In-Reply-To: <200804181002.m3IA0tDs022109@zxe.naks.com> References: <200804181002.m3IA0tDs022109@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: > > It's quite strange...I never saw a worn head on a second generation Nak deck> I really don't know, I only can tell that 400Hz @0dBVu response is OK, 3kHz @-10dBVu response exhibits a -2dB drop on the right channel and the 12kHz @-10dBVu response has the right channel at -17dB and the left channels at -12dB. The tape is OK, as I've tested it on my RX-303. PB head height and azimuth are ok. I've also reversed the channels at the head connector on the playback board and the problem also switched on the other channel. So, I'm quite sure that it is due to some problem in the head. When I bought the deck, the original head had one of the right channel coils open. I've also tried to set the head's tilt, but with no success. By visually inspecting the head I've mounted to replace the original, I can tell there seems to be a non-uniform wear of the head shape... It seems that one side of the head il lower then the other side. Marco> On 4/17/08, Marco Manunta wrote:> > Hi, I need a P-8L head for a 700ZXL. does anybody have such a PB head for> > spare on sale? I'd even buy a defective deck with this head, for example an> > LX-5 or similar, depending on the price. Thank you for your help. BTW: I> > make IR remote controls for Nakamichi decks, so I can also consider an> > exchange: a remote set against the head. Visit my website, www.m2tech.biz,> > "vintage hifi" page, for details.> > Thank you for your help,> >> > Marco> >> > P.S.: I tried an LX-5 head in place of the defective head in the 700ZXL, but> > it's way too worn out to work properly.> > _________________________________________________________________> > Vorresti un pub diverso dal solito? Cercalo con Live Search Maps!> > http://maps.live.it> _________________________________________________________________ Vieni a conoscere la casa del tuo Messenger! www.messenger.it -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 18 16:11:34 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:11:34 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX - not logical Message-ID: <1417024.1208527894380.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Apr 18 10:55:21 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:55:21 EDT Subject: [naktalk] REPAIR ASSISTANCE NEEDED - 680 Meters Don't Work Message-ID: Andy, maybe the meter itself has gone bad? Ali In a message dated 4/14/2008 4:14:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: Hello Everyone: Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later. I have a repair job that I just cannot figure out. Brian kindly trusted me to work on his Nakamichi 680. The deck is in solid mechanical and electronic condition, with only one problem. The fluorescent meters don't light up. I have replaced C901, C902, and C903 on Indicator PCB Assembly "C". Curiously, C901 and C902 had already been replaced, but I decided to replace them with my own known good components. Replacing those three capacitors did nothing to fix the problem. I have verified that approximately 2.5v AC is reaching pins 1 and 49 (the first and last pins) of the actual fluorescent unit. I have also verified that all DC voltages indicated in the service manual schematics for Indicator PCB Assemblies "A", "B", and "C" are OK. I have even checked and verified all transistors, diodes, and resistors on Indicator PCB Assemblies "A", "B", and "C". The only anomaly I have been able to find is *slightly* low voltages coming to the fluorescent meter PCB through connector CN-5. This connector runs directly to the fluorescent meter PCB from the deck's Logic board. If I recall correctly, this controls the RAMM section of the fluorescent display, so even this is probably a blind alley. The negative DC voltage on pin 9 of CN-5 is OK (approximately -37.5v DC), but voltages on pins 1 through 8 are a bit low...but I don't even know if they are TOO low to operate. Just low. Pins 1 through 8 have a low AC voltage on them. On other decks I have measured the AC voltage on pins 1 through 8 in the range of .165mV AC to .415mV AC. Pins 1 through 8 on CN-5 of this deck all measure between .068mV and .088mV. It's really strange...unless I am overlooking something big, I have checked everything out, and everything checks out OK. The meter display JUST....DOESN'T....WORK. Everything else about this deck is fine. If I can't figure this out, this will be the first time I return a deck to someone without fixing the problem. I would hate for this to happen, so I have decided to put this problem in front of all of you, to see if you have ever encountered a similar situation. Any info would be very much appreciated, *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 18 12:08:00 2008 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:08:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E - control motor problem Message-ID: <650701.33816.qm@web27403.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Just in the last week or so, my "good" BX-300E has started to behave oddly. When just switched on, wait a few seconds and press PLAY, the takeup reel turns and there's enough torque to lift the cassette shell slightly but then it stops. Rewind and FF work fine but PLAY doesn't work properly until the deck's been on about 30 minutes. Interestingly, PLAY works perfectly from cold if there is no cassette in there. I've had the lid off and lubricated the control motor cams and gear wheel, though I've not taken the deck apart to lubricate the worm gear. Is this something I should just live with or is there a way to fix it (semi)-permanently? Chris From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Fri Apr 18 13:03:06 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (wnn523484 at telfort.nl) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:03:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <200804181003.m3IA0tDt022109@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <47C4F91400032207@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Ben, As non-guru I want to share the same experience I had once. Keep in mind that the cam stop, play and cue positions are interacting on each other. I always iterate a few times through the adjustments to avoid creating a misadjusting of the first after adjusting the latter. And one of the adjustments (probably the cue, 95% sure) borders on instability of the lot. By setting the cue adjustment toward it's optimum value might have shifted the whole system into imbalance. Return the cue (non important) adjust in it's previous imperfect position and try again. Hope this cures this super Nakamichi, as the 78* series is still my personal favourite (and yes, got Dragon, ZXL1000, ZX-9 etc. been there, done that) For nobody asks; second favourite is the 600..... Keep the good Naks rolling Henk Schenk Netherlands ----------------History------------------ From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Subject: [naktalk] 682 - Not logical No.2 To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8CA6F1EF6DF3EBC-888-2E1E at WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Guru's, Now the next problem, hopefully they only come in pairs!? Having sorted the first issue of cam switch feedback (silly me), the transport function was fine.? Played a tape and it was a bit muddy so got the service manual out again.? Set the cam stop, play and cue positions and capstan speed.? The head stroke needed slight adjustment to align in cue mode. Then the guide check gauge and the supply guide was a hair out.??BUT I found that I couldn't eject the gauge as the cam had advanced to F position in stop mode on its own! Powered off and manually retracted the heads to allow ejection.? Went back to the beginning to recheck VR402 Stop and VR403 Play - no amount of twiddling could get both in the right position.? The service manual explains what to do in this scenario by substitution of resistors as a starting point which i will have a look at. Is it normal to have to resort to this back up scenario, would a resistor have failed during the above adjustments?? Anyone have any views on this problem before I go ahead? Cheers, Ben From jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk Fri Apr 18 20:25:34 2008 From: jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk (Jason Stephens) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:25:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TD-1200 Instructions Message-ID: <000601c8a181$99776150$9d7af25a@jasona028a1a62> Hi guys, I've just bought a used TD-1200 mobile (in-car) cassette player. Please can someone point me in the direction of an Instruction Booklet for this model? Maybe someone knows of a website with a downloadable file, or perhaps a member has one that he/she can email to me. Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Best regards, Jason (UK) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Sat Apr 19 01:14:11 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:14:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <47C4F91400032207@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <8CA6FC10B5A10B3-3B4-7C0@FWM-D08.sysops.aol.com> Henk, I am certain that you are exactly in the area of the problem.? In fact it was just after adjusting VR401 (Cue mode) that the problem happened.? I had tried to back track and indeed achieve this but the adjustment is not happening sufficiently enough at any combination of adjustment of all thee settings.? Then in adjusting VR403 (Play mode), the variable resistor itself fell apart and I now need to replace this (5K).? Will park the job now until this is sorted.? Thanks for your suggestion, will feedback in the future. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:03 pm Subject: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 Ben, As non-guru I want to share the same experience I had once. Keep in mind that the cam stop, play and cue positions are interacting on each other. I always iterate a few times through the adjustments to avoid creating a misadjusting of the first after adjusting the latter. And one of the adjustments (probably the cue, 95% sure) borders on instability of the lot. By setting the cue adjustment toward it's optimum value might have shifted the whole system into imbalance. Return the cue (non important) adjust in it's previous imperfect position and try again. Hope this cures this super Nakamichi, as the 78* series is still my personal favourite (and yes, got Dragon, ZXL1000, ZX-9 etc. been there, done that) For nobody asks; second favourite is the 600..... Keep the good Naks rolling Henk Schenk Netherlands ----------------History------------------ From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Subject: [naktalk] 682 - Not logical No.2 To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8CA6F1EF6DF3EBC-888-2E1E at WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Guru's, Now the next problem, hopefully they only come in pairs!? Having sorted the first issue of cam switch feedback (silly me), the transport function was fine.? Played a tape and it was a bit muddy so got the service manual out again.? Set the cam stop, play and cue positions and capstan speed.? The head stroke needed slight adjustment to align in cue mode. Then the guide check gauge and the supply guide was a hair out.??BUT I found that I couldn't eject the gauge as the cam had advanced to F position in stop mode on its own! Powered off and manually retracted the heads to allow ejection.? Went back to the beginning to recheck VR402 Stop and VR403 Play - no amount of twiddling could get both in the right position.? The service manual explains what to do in this scenario by substitution of resistors as a starting point which i will have a look at. Is it normal to have to resort to this back up scenario, would a resistor have failed during the above adjustments?? Anyone have any views on this problem before I go ahead? Cheers, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Apr 19 13:06:17 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:06:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E - control motor problem Message-ID: <041920081106.2608.4809D229000E051300000A3022155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Chris: Your problem could have two possible causes. I'll address the most common cause first.... It sounds a lot like your idler tire is starting to get a bit dodgy. Has it ever been replaced? I know that you said RW and FF work fine, but I have seen idler tires that have just enough grip to operate at high speeds but not enough to operate in Play mode, which does require a steadier, stronger idler/reel connection. And a bad idler tire can often operate in Play mode as long as no cassette is inserted to put a load on it. One quick way to determine if your tire is possibly suspect... Remove the outer cassette door so you can have access to the tape hubs when the door is closed. Close the door. Without a cassette inserted, put the deck into play mode. With your finger, try to stop the takeup hub from spinning. Don't grab the tape hub; just give it some light pressure with your finger. Does the takeup hub have enough power to resist this, or does it give up easily and stop spinning the moment you touch it? If it gives up and stops spinning, the idler tire is most assuredly bad. The second possible cause is a dirty reel motor, but this is less likely, since you said the deck cannot enter Play mode at all. A dirty reel motor can do everything it's told -- it just can't do it consistently and will often stall. Good Luck, and let me know what you find, *andy* From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 19 14:58:52 2008 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (cjlovesjazz) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:58:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E - control motor problem Message-ID: <550730.33743.bm@omp211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Andy Thanks for the advice. I tried the idler tire test, just as you describe and this baby is pulling hard so the tire (which I replaced about 2 years ago) seems to be OK. That was was from completely cold. I put a tape back in and again the shell lifts slightly because of the reel/capstan (?) motor torque but it stops after 1 second. Predictably, after the deck was on 30-35 minutes it plays perfectly. Gulp - does this mean I have to treat the reel motor to copious quantities of DeOxit (which I have, though only D5) or do I have to go further than that? Looks I might have to buy that Yamaha KX-580 I just saw on eBay.... :-( Many thanks for your help. Chris 19 April 2008 12:06 To: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk cc: naktalk at naks.com From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-300E - control motor problem Hi, Chris: Your problem could have two possible causes. I'll address the most common cause first.... It sounds a lot like your idler tire is starting to get a bit dodgy. Has it ever been replaced? I know that you said RW and FF work fine, but I have seen idler tires that have just enough grip to operate at high speeds but not enough to operate in Play mode, which does require a steadier, stronger idler/reel connection. And a bad idler tire can often operate in Play mode as long as no cassette is inserted to put a load on it. One quick way to determine if your tire is possibly suspect... Remove the outer cassette door so you can have access to the tape hubs when the door is closed. Close the door. Without a cassette inserted, put the deck into play mode. With your finger, try to stop the takeup hub from spinning. Don't grab the tape hub; just give it some light pressure with your finger. Does the takeup hub have enough power to resist this, or does it give up easily and stop spinning the moment you touch it? If it gives up and stops spinning, the idler tire is most assuredly bad. The second possible cause is a dirty reel motor, but this is less likely, since you said the deck cannot enter Play mode at all. A dirty reel motor can do everything it's told -- it just can't do it consistently and will often stall. Good Luck, and let me know what you find, *andy* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk Sat Apr 19 19:00:50 2008 From: nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk (nigel vernon) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:00:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Betr: Problem with BX2 In-Reply-To: <8CA6FC10B5A10B3-3B4-7C0@FWM-D08.sysops.aol.com> References: <47C4F91400032207@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> <8CA6FC10B5A10B3-3B4-7C0@FWM-D08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Well, not my problem exactly but my daughter's. A recent convert to Nak's. Everything is playing fine with her BX-2 then all of a sudden the machine goes into stop mode. When you take the tape out there is slack tape on the right hand spool.Would some kind soul suggest what the problem is and how to fix it.Laura will be very grateful.Thanks.Nigel. To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:14:11 -0400 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Henk, I am certain that you are exactly in the area of the problem. In fact it was just after adjusting VR401 (Cue mode) that the problem happened. I had tried to back track and indeed achieve this but the adjustment is not happening sufficiently enough at any combination of adjustment of all thee settings. Then in adjusting VR403 (Play mode), the variable resistor itself fell apart and I now need to replace this (5K). Will park the job now until this is sorted. Thanks for your suggestion, will feedback in the future. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:03 pm Subject: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 Ben, As non-guru I want to share the same experience I had once. Keep in mind that the cam stop, play and cue positions are interacting on each other. I always iterate a few times through the adjustments to avoid creating a misadjusting of the first after adjusting the latter. And one of the adjustments (probably the cue, 95% sure) borders on instability of the lot. By setting the cue adjustment toward it's optimum value might have shifted the whole system into imbalance. Return the cue (non important) adjust in it's previous imperfect position and try again. Hope this cures this super Nakamichi, as the 78* series is still my personal favourite (and yes, got Dragon, ZXL1000, ZX-9 etc. been there, done that) For nobody asks; second favourite is the 600..... Keep the good Naks rolling Henk Schenk Netherlands ----------------History------------------ From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Subject: [naktalk] 682 - Not logical No.2 To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8CA6F1EF6DF3EBC-888-2E1E at WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Guru's, Now the next problem, hopefully they only come in pairs!? Having sorted the first issue of cam switch feedback (silly me), the transport function was fine.? Played a tape and it was a bit muddy so got the service manual out again.? Set the cam stop, play and cue positions and capstan speed.? The head stroke needed slight adjustment to align in cue mode. Then the guide check gauge and the supply guide was a hair out.??BUT I found that I couldn't eject the gauge as the cam had advanced to F position in stop mode on its own! Powered off and manually retracted the heads to allow ejection.? Went back to the beginning to recheck VR402 Stop and VR403 Play - no amount of twiddling could get both in the right position.? The service manual explains what to do in this scenario by substitution of resistors as a starting point which i will have a look at. Is it normal to have to resort to this back up scenario, would a resistor have failed during the above adjustments?? Anyone have any views on this problem before I go ahead? Cheers, Ben ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Windows Live is here http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Sun Apr 20 07:39:32 2008 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 01:39:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Looking for a 700ZXL head, please help! Message-ID: <200804200139_MC3-2-18E-CC07@compuserve.com> Hi Marco, Sorry I cannot help, but I had the same problem with my 700 ZXE which I got from ebay. One channel of the head measured open circuit (actually, one of the two coils in series). Fortunately that was several years back when Nakamichi parts were still available. The price of the new PB head was around $100. _Fuad > > It's quite strange...I never saw a worn head on a second generation Nak deck> I really don't know, I only can tell that 400Hz @0dBVu response is OK, 3kHz @-10dBVu response exhibits a -2dB drop on the right channel and the 12kHz @-10dBVu response has the right channel at -17dB and the left channels at -12dB. The tape is OK, as I've tested it on my RX-303. PB head height and azimuth are ok. I've also reversed the channels at the head connector on the playback board and the problem also switched on the other channel. So, I'm quite sure that it is due to some problem in the head. When I bought the deck, the original head had one of the right channel coils open. I've also tried to set the head's tilt, but with no success. By visually inspecting the head I've mounted to replace the original, I can tell there seems to be a non-uniform wear of the head shape... It seems that one side of the head il lower then the other side. Marco> On 4/17/08, Marco Manunta wrote:> > Hi, I need a P-8L head for a 700ZXL. does anybody have such a PB head for> > spare on sale? I'd even buy a defective deck with this head, for example an> > LX-5 or similar, depending on the price. Thank you for your help. BTW: I> > make IR remote controls for Nakamichi decks, so I can also consider an> > exchange: a remote set against the head. Visit my website, www.m2tech.biz,> > "vintage hifi" page, for details.> > Thank you for your help,> >> > Marco> >> > P.S.: I tried an LX-5 head in place of the defective head in the 700ZXL, but> > it's way too worn out to work properly.> > _________________________________________________________________> > Vorresti un pub diverso dal solito? Cercalo con Live Search Maps!> > http://maps.live.it> < From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Apr 20 13:38:45 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 07:38:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Betr: Problem with BX2 In-Reply-To: References: <47C4F91400032207@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> <8CA6FC10B5A10B3-3B4-7C0@FWM-D08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <480B2B45.7000700@yahoo.ca> Hi Nigel, if there's slack tape, it means that the capstan is turning faster than the drive motor is rolling the tape on the cassette's hubs. It's usually caused by a worn idler tire, which you can get from ESL Labs (www.nakamichi.us). They also sell the part on eBay, see item #300215994487. Usual symptoms of a worn tire are easier to see with tapes that are showing a bit of wear: -the deck has trouble fast forwarding and rewinding these tapes more than other decks -it doesn't want to play on certain areas of the tape. -it stops while playing -it doesn't play You can manually test the amount of torque. For this, open the cassette door, and pull the aluminum/plastic cover up, it's clipped on a frame. Once you've removed it, close the door. Press play, if you can easily stop the right spindle from turning (ie. by a light touch), there's a tire problem. If there's a good amount of torque, it's probably caused by dead spots on the drive motor (the spindles won't move at all unless you turn the cam a bit). It's possible to burnish the contacts to give a second life to the motor, I've successfully done this already, but I've been told the success rate is low. I'll give more details if you need them. First check for the idler. By the way, the idler replacement instructions are available at nakamichi.us Hope this helps! Antoine nigel vernon a écrit : > Well, not my problem exactly but my daughter's. A recent convert to Nak's. > Everything is playing fine with her BX-2 then all of a sudden the > machine goes into stop mode. When you take the tape out there is slack > tape on the right hand spool.Would some kind soul suggest what the > problem is and how to fix it.Laura will be very grateful.Thanks.Nigel. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:14:11 -0400 > From: benstratford at aol.co.uk > > Henk, > > I am certain that you are exactly in the area of the problem. In > fact it was just after adjusting VR401 (Cue mode) that the problem > happened. I had tried to back track and indeed achieve this but > the adjustment is not happening sufficiently enough at any > combination of adjustment of all thee settings. > > Then in adjusting VR403 (Play mode), the variable resistor itself > fell apart and I now need to replace this (5K). Will park the job > now until this is sorted. > > Thanks for your suggestion, will feedback in the future. > > Cheers, Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:03 pm > Subject: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 > > Ben, > > As non-guru I want to share the same experience I had once. > Keep in mind that the cam stop, play and cue positions are interacting on > each other. I always iterate a few times through the adjustments to avoid > creating a misadjusting of the first after adjusting the latter. > And one of the adjustments (probably the cue, 95% sure) borders on instability > of the lot. By setting the cue adjustment toward it's optimum value might > have shifted the whole system into imbalance. Return the cue (non important) > adjust in it's previous imperfect position and try again. > > Hope this cures this super Nakamichi, as the 78* series is still my personal > favourite (and yes, got Dragon, ZXL1000, ZX-9 etc. been there, done that) > For nobody asks; second favourite is the 600..... > > Keep the good Naks rolling > > Henk Schenk > Netherlands > > > ----------------History------------------ > From: benstratford at aol.co.uk > Subject: [naktalk] 682 - Not logical No.2 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8CA6F1EF6DF3EBC-888-2E1E at WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Guru's, > > Now the next problem, hopefully they only come in pairs!? Having sorted the > first issue of cam switch feedback (silly me), the transport function was > fine.? Played a tape and it was a bit muddy so got the service manual out > again.? Set the cam stop, play and cue positions and capstan speed.? The > head stroke needed slight adjustment to align in cue mode. Then the guide > check gauge and the supply guide was a hair out.??BUT I found that I couldn't > eject the gauge as the cam had advanced to F position in stop mode on its > own! Powered off and manually retracted the heads to allow ejection.? Went > back to the beginning to recheck VR402 Stop and VR403 Play - no amount of > twiddling could get both in the right position.? The service manual explains > what to do in this scenario by substitution of resistors as a starting point > which i will have a look at. > > Is it normal to have to resort to this back up scenario, would a resistor > have failed during the above adjustments?? Anyone have any views on this > problem before I go ahead? > > Cheers, Ben > > > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Apr 20 18:16:00 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:16:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E - control motor problem In-Reply-To: <041920081106.2608.4809D229000E051300000A3022155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <041920081106.2608.4809D229000E051300000A3022155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <480B6C40.1060401@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Hi, Chris: > > Your problem could have two possible causes. I'll address the most common cause first.... > > It sounds a lot like your idler tire is starting to get a bit dodgy. Has it ever been replaced? > > I know that you said RW and FF work fine, but I have seen idler tires that have just enough grip to operate at high speeds but not enough to operate in Play mode, which does require a steadier, stronger idler/reel connection. > > And a bad idler tire can often operate in Play mode as long as no cassette is inserted to put a load on it. > > One quick way to determine if your tire is possibly suspect... > > Remove the outer cassette door so you can have access to the tape hubs when the door is closed. Close the door. > > Without a cassette inserted, put the deck into play mode. > > With your finger, try to stop the takeup hub from spinning. Don't grab the tape hub; just give it some light pressure with your finger. Does the takeup hub have enough power to resist this, or does it give up easily and stop spinning the moment you touch it? If it gives up and stops spinning, the idler tire is most assuredly bad. > Not necessarily. IME, I have found that good FF/REW operation, coupled with poor Play take up performance, are often caused not by a bad idler, but by a bad reel motor. I am not saying that this is the case here, just as a possibility to explore. -- Ron > The second possible cause is a dirty reel motor, but this is less likely, since you said the deck cannot enter Play mode at all. A dirty reel motor can do everything it's told -- it just can't do it consistently and will often stall. > > Good Luck, and let me know what you find, > > > *andy* > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Apr 20 18:24:06 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:24:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Betr: Problem with BX2 In-Reply-To: References: <47C4F91400032207@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> <8CA6FC10B5A10B3-3B4-7C0@FWM-D08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <480B6E26.1060805@rcn.com> Nigel, This suggests a take up problem. Usually, either a bad rubber idler (easy and cheap to replace) or a bad reel motor (easy and expensive to replace). See this email list archives or Mr. Johnson FAQ for more information. Good luck, -- Ron nigel vernon wrote: > Well, not my problem exactly but my daughter's. A recent convert to Nak's. > Everything is playing fine with her BX-2 then all of a sudden the > machine goes into stop mode. When you take the tape out there is slack > tape on the right hand spool.Would some kind soul suggest what the > problem is and how to fix it.Laura will be very grateful.Thanks.Nigel. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:14:11 -0400 > From: benstratford at aol.co.uk > > Henk, > > I am certain that you are exactly in the area of the problem. In > fact it was just after adjusting VR401 (Cue mode) that the problem > happened. I had tried to back track and indeed achieve this but > the adjustment is not happening sufficiently enough at any > combination of adjustment of all thee settings. > > Then in adjusting VR403 (Play mode), the variable resistor itself > fell apart and I now need to replace this (5K). Will park the job > now until this is sorted. > > Thanks for your suggestion, will feedback in the future. > > Cheers, Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:03 pm > Subject: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 > > Ben, > > As non-guru I want to share the same experience I had once. > Keep in mind that the cam stop, play and cue positions are interacting on > each other. I always iterate a few times through the adjustments to avoid > creating a misadjusting of the first after adjusting the latter. > And one of the adjustments (probably the cue, 95% sure) borders on instability > of the lot. By setting the cue adjustment toward it's optimum value might > have shifted the whole system into imbalance. Return the cue (non important) > adjust in it's previous imperfect position and try again. > > Hope this cures this super Nakamichi, as the 78* series is still my personal > favourite (and yes, got Dragon, ZXL1000, ZX-9 etc. been there, done that) > For nobody asks; second favourite is the 600..... > > Keep the good Naks rolling > > Henk Schenk > Netherlands > > > ----------------History------------------ > From: benstratford at aol.co.uk > Subject: [naktalk] 682 - Not logical No.2 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8CA6F1EF6DF3EBC-888-2E1E at WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Guru's, > > Now the next problem, hopefully they only come in pairs!? Having sorted the > first issue of cam switch feedback (silly me), the transport function was > fine.? Played a tape and it was a bit muddy so got the service manual out > again.? Set the cam stop, play and cue positions and capstan speed.? The > head stroke needed slight adjustment to align in cue mode. Then the guide > check gauge and the supply guide was a hair out.??BUT I found that I couldn't > eject the gauge as the cam had advanced to F position in stop mode on its > own! Powered off and manually retracted the heads to allow ejection.? Went > back to the beginning to recheck VR402 Stop and VR403 Play - no amount of > twiddling could get both in the right position.? The service manual explains > what to do in this scenario by substitution of resistors as a starting point > which i will have a look at. > > Is it normal to have to resort to this back up scenario, would a resistor > have failed during the above adjustments?? Anyone have any views on this > problem before I go ahead? > > Cheers, Ben > > > From robertweber at telus.net Mon Apr 21 04:01:32 2008 From: robertweber at telus.net (ROBERT WEBER) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:01:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <200804191001.m3JA0wPi019866@zxe.naks.com> References: <200804191001.m3JA0wPi019866@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6128D9A8-6939-486F-8B94-A14B00A0FE0F@telus.net> To: Mr. Mann, Re: BX 300 I had a similar problem many years ago. The lubrication between the capstan and the shaft had completely dried out. Pull the capstan out, lube withProlong lube and then it will probably function well. P.S., you might notice that your deck is wrecking the edges of your tapes. This happened to my tapes when the BX 300 would stop because of excess friction on the capstan. Robert On 19-Apr-08, at 3:01 AM, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: RE: Looking for a 700ZXL head, please help! (Marco Manunta) > 2. Re: 682ZX - not logical (Tom Brucker) > 3. Re: REPAIR ASSISTANCE NEEDED - 680 Meters Don't Work > (BOEING747600 at aol.com) > 4. BX-300E - control motor problem (Chris Mann) > 5. Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 (wnn523484 at telfort.nl) > 6. TD-1200 Instructions (Jason Stephens) > 7. Re: Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 > (benstratford at aol.co.uk) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:33:47 +0000 > From: Marco Manunta > Subject: [naktalk] RE: RE: Looking for a 700ZXL head, please help! > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >>> It's quite strange...I never saw a worn head on a second >>> generation Nak deck> > I really don't know, I only can tell that 400Hz @0dBVu response is > OK, 3kHz @-10dBVu response exhibits a -2dB drop on the right > channel and the 12kHz @-10dBVu response has the right channel at > -17dB and the left channels at -12dB. The tape is OK, as I've > tested it on my RX-303. PB head height and azimuth are ok. I've > also reversed the channels at the head connector on the playback > board and the problem also switched on the other channel. So, I'm > quite sure that it is due to some problem in the head. When I > bought the deck, the original head had one of the right channel > coils open. > I've also tried to set the head's tilt, but with no success. > By visually inspecting the head I've mounted to replace the > original, I can tell there seems to be a non-uniform wear of the > head shape... It seems that one side of the head il lower then the > other side. > > Marco> On 4/17/08, Marco Manunta wrote:> > > Hi, I need a P-8L head for a 700ZXL. does anybody have such a PB > head for> > spare on sale? I'd even buy a defective deck with this > head, for example an> > LX-5 or similar, depending on the price. > Thank you for your help. BTW: I> > make IR remote controls for > Nakamichi decks, so I can also consider an> > exchange: a remote > set against the head. Visit my website, www.m2tech.biz,> > "vintage > hifi" page, for details.> > Thank you for your help,> >> > Marco> > >> > P.S.: I tried an LX-5 head in place of the defective head in > the 700ZXL, but> > it's way too worn out to work properly.> > > _________________________________________________________________> > > Vorresti un pub diverso dal solito? Cercalo con Live Search Maps! > > > http://maps.live.it> > _________________________________________________________________ > Vieni a conoscere la casa del tuo Messenger! > www.messenger.it > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/ > 20080418/3165fef2/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:11:34 -0500 (GMT-05:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX - not logical > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , > naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <1417024.1208527894380.JavaMail.root at elwamui- > wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/ > 20080418/56f64753/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:55:21 EDT > From: BOEING747600 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] REPAIR ASSISTANCE NEEDED - 680 Meters Don't > Work > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Andy, maybe the meter itself has gone bad? Ali > > > In a message dated 4/14/2008 4:14:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: > > > Hello Everyone: > > Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later. I have a repair > job that I > just cannot figure out. > > Brian kindly trusted me to work on his Nakamichi 680. The deck is > in solid > mechanical and electronic condition, with only one problem. The > fluorescent > meters don't light up. > > I have replaced C901, C902, and C903 on Indicator PCB Assembly "C". > Curiously, C901 and C902 had already been replaced, but I decided > to replace them > with my own known good components. > > Replacing those three capacitors did nothing to fix the problem. > > I have verified that approximately 2.5v AC is reaching pins 1 and > 49 (the > first and last pins) of the actual fluorescent unit. > > I have also verified that all DC voltages indicated in the service > manual > schematics for Indicator PCB Assemblies "A", "B", and "C" are OK. > > I have even checked and verified all transistors, diodes, and > resistors on > Indicator PCB Assemblies "A", "B", and "C". > > The only anomaly I have been able to find is *slightly* low > voltages coming > to the fluorescent meter PCB through connector CN-5. This > connector runs > directly to the fluorescent meter PCB from the deck's Logic board. > If I recall > correctly, this controls the RAMM section of the fluorescent > display, so > even this is probably a blind alley. > > The negative DC voltage on pin 9 of CN-5 is OK (approximately > -37.5v DC), > but voltages on pins 1 through 8 are a bit low...but I don't even > know if they > are TOO low to operate. Just low. Pins 1 through 8 have a low AC > voltage on > them. On other decks I have measured the AC voltage on pins 1 > through 8 in > the range of .165mV AC to .415mV AC. Pins 1 through 8 on CN-5 of > this deck > all measure between .068mV and .088mV. > > It's really strange...unless I am overlooking something big, I > have checked > everything out, and everything checks out OK. The meter display > JUST....DOESN'T....WORK. > > Everything else about this deck is fine. > > If I can't figure this out, this will be the first time I return a > deck to > someone without fixing the problem. I would hate for this to > happen, so I > have decided to put this problem in front of all of you, to see if > you have ever > encountered a similar situation. > > Any info would be very much appreciated, > > > *andy* > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. > used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/ > 20080418/8e43cab3/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:08:00 +0100 (BST) > From: Chris Mann > Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E - control motor problem > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <650701.33816.qm at web27403.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Just in the last week or so, my "good" BX-300E has > started to behave oddly. > > When just switched on, wait a few seconds and press > PLAY, the takeup reel turns and there's enough torque > to lift the cassette shell slightly but then it stops. > > Rewind and FF work fine but PLAY doesn't work properly > until the deck's been on about 30 minutes. > > Interestingly, PLAY works perfectly from cold if there > is no cassette in there. > > I've had the lid off and lubricated the control motor > cams and gear wheel, though I've not taken the deck > apart to lubricate the worm gear. > > Is this something I should just live with or is there > a way to fix it (semi)-permanently? > > Chris > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:03:06 +0200 > From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl > Subject: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <47C4F91400032207 at mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Ben, > > As non-guru I want to share the same experience I had once. > Keep in mind that the cam stop, play and cue positions are > interacting on > each other. I always iterate a few times through the adjustments to > avoid > creating a misadjusting of the first after adjusting the latter. > And one of the adjustments (probably the cue, 95% sure) borders on > instability > of the lot. By setting the cue adjustment toward it's optimum value > might > have shifted the whole system into imbalance. Return the cue (non > important) > adjust in it's previous imperfect position and try again. > > Hope this cures this super Nakamichi, as the 78* series is still my > personal > favourite (and yes, got Dragon, ZXL1000, ZX-9 etc. been there, done > that) > For nobody asks; second favourite is the 600..... > > Keep the good Naks rolling > > Henk Schenk > Netherlands > > > ----------------History------------------ > From: benstratford at aol.co.uk > Subject: [naktalk] 682 - Not logical No.2 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8CA6F1EF6DF3EBC-888-2E1E at WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Guru's, > > Now the next problem, hopefully they only come in pairs!? Having > sorted the > first issue of cam switch feedback (silly me), the transport > function was > fine.? Played a tape and it was a bit muddy so got the service > manual out > again.? Set the cam stop, play and cue positions and capstan > speed.? The > head stroke needed slight adjustment to align in cue mode. Then the > guide > check gauge and the supply guide was a hair out.??BUT I found that > I couldn't > eject the gauge as the cam had advanced to F position in stop mode > on its > own! Powered off and manually retracted the heads to allow > ejection.? Went > back to the beginning to recheck VR402 Stop and VR403 Play - no > amount of > twiddling could get both in the right position.? The service manual > explains > what to do in this scenario by substitution of resistors as a > starting point > which i will have a look at. > > Is it normal to have to resort to this back up scenario, would a > resistor > have failed during the above adjustments?? Anyone have any views on > this > problem before I go ahead? > > Cheers, Ben > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:25:34 +0100 > From: "Jason Stephens" > Subject: [naktalk] TD-1200 Instructions > To: > Message-ID: <000601c8a181$99776150$9d7af25a at jasona028a1a62> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi guys, > > I've just bought a used TD-1200 mobile (in-car) cassette player. > > Please can someone point me in the direction of an Instruction > Booklet for this model? > > Maybe someone knows of a website with a downloadable file, or > perhaps a member has one that he/she can email to me. > > Any help would be gratefully appreciated. > > Best regards, > Jason (UK) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/ > 20080418/be5d4e87/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:14:11 -0400 > From: benstratford at aol.co.uk > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8CA6FC10B5A10B3-3B4-7C0 at FWM-D08.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Henk, > > I am certain that you are exactly in the area of the problem.? In > fact it was just after adjusting VR401 (Cue mode) that the problem > happened.? I had tried to back track and indeed achieve this but > the adjustment is not happening sufficiently enough at any > combination of adjustment of all thee settings.? > > Then in adjusting VR403 (Play mode), the variable resistor itself > fell apart and I now need to replace this (5K).? Will park the job > now until this is sorted.? > > Thanks for your suggestion, will feedback in the future. > > Cheers, Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:03 pm > Subject: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 > > > > Ben, > > As non-guru I want to share the same experience I had once. > Keep in mind that the cam stop, play and cue positions are > interacting on > each other. I always iterate a few times through the adjustments to > avoid > creating a misadjusting of the first after adjusting the latter. > And one of the adjustments (probably the cue, 95% sure) borders on > instability > of the lot. By setting the cue adjustment toward it's optimum value > might > have shifted the whole system into imbalance. Return the cue (non > important) > adjust in it's previous imperfect position and try again. > > Hope this cures this super Nakamichi, as the 78* series is still my > personal > favourite (and yes, got Dragon, ZXL1000, ZX-9 etc. been there, done > that) > For nobody asks; second favourite is the 600..... > > Keep the good Naks rolling > > Henk Schenk > Netherlands > > > ----------------History------------------ > From: benstratford at aol.co.uk > Subject: [naktalk] 682 - Not logical No.2 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8CA6F1EF6DF3EBC-888-2E1E at WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Guru's, > > Now the next problem, hopefully they only come in pairs!? Having > sorted the > first issue of cam switch feedback (silly me), the transport > function was > fine.? Played a tape and it was a bit muddy so got the service > manual out > again.? Set the cam stop, play and cue positions and capstan > speed.? The > head stroke needed slight adjustment to align in cue mode. Then the > guide > check gauge and the supply guide was a hair out.??BUT I found that > I couldn't > eject the gauge as the cam had advanced to F position in stop mode > on its > own! Powered off and manually retracted the heads to allow > ejection.? Went > back to the beginning to recheck VR402 Stop and VR403 Play - no > amount of > twiddling could get both in the right position.? The service manual > explains > what to do in this scenario by substitution of resistors as a > starting point > which i will have a look at. > > Is it normal to have to resort to this back up scenario, would a > resistor > have failed during the above adjustments?? Anyone have any views on > this > problem before I go ahead? > > Cheers, Ben > > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/ > 20080418/d3a73d00/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 18 > *************************************** From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Mon Apr 21 11:02:21 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (wnn523484 at telfort.nl) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:02:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Adjusting Cam positions on the Nak 682 In-Reply-To: <200804191003.m3JA0wPk019866@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <47CE848F0002CBF5@mail-6-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Hi Ben, The falling apart pot-adjust is something I recently experienced myself too in a 480. Quite annoying, as rebuilding requires the simultaneous unsoldering of three prongs of the pot. I do not have serious desoldering gear, so I can only mess around. After that you have to start the whole adjustment from a very strange starting point, making it a trial and error exorcise The erratic results of the Cam system after your first adjusts might well be caused by insecure contacts of the almost falling apart pot. I hope you will succeed in reviving this nice Nak. Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >Message: 7 >Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:14:11 -0400 >From: benstratford at aol.co.uk >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: <8CA6FC10B5A10B3-3B4-7C0 at FWM-D08.sysops.aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Henk, > >I am certain that you are exactly in the area of the problem.? In fact it >was just after adjusting VR401 (Cue mode) that the problem happened.? I had >tried to back track and indeed achieve this but the adjustment is not happening >sufficiently enough at any combination of adjustment of all thee settings.? > > >Then in adjusting VR403 (Play mode), the variable resistor itself fell apart >and I now need to replace this (5K).? Will park the job now until this is >sorted.? > >Thanks for your suggestion, will feedback in the future. > >Cheers, Ben > > >-----Original Message----- >From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:03 pm >Subject: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 > > > >Ben, > >As non-guru I want to share the same experience I had once. >Keep in mind that the cam stop, play and cue positions are interacting on >each other. I always iterate a few times through the adjustments to avoid >creating a misadjusting of the first after adjusting the latter. >And one of the adjustments (probably the cue, 95% sure) borders on instability >of the lot. By setting the cue adjustment toward it's optimum value might >have shifted the whole system into imbalance. Return the cue (non important) >adjust in it's previous imperfect position and try again. > >Hope this cures this super Nakamichi, as the 68* series is still my personal >favourite (and yes, got Dragon, ZXL1000, ZX-9 etc. been there, done that) >For nobody asks; second favourite is the 600..... > >Keep the good Naks rolling > >Henk Schenk >Netherlands > > From benstratford at aol.co.uk Mon Apr 21 11:55:12 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:55:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Adjusting Cam positions on the Nak 682 In-Reply-To: <47CE848F0002CBF5@mail-6-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <8CA71ACED560BFC-C90-3B4B@mblk-d19.sysops.aol.com> Hi Henk, One of the two small bendable lugs on the bottom part which are bent outwards to combine all the pieces has fallen off rendering the trimmer useless.? I am sure there are similar parts on other naks as you identified of the 5K type which would be suitable, the 680 has two for example.? The desoldering process is quite delicate as the device is fairly fragile but if a donor deck is the only solution then it will be achievable that way I have also narrowed down a possible replacement part supplied by RS which is 4.7K and the same footprint of 5mm / 10mm which can possibly?be utilised satisfactorily.? There are also other 5K replacements that are multi turn rather than single turn that?could possibly?achieve a more accurate result too.? Trial and error will be employed and every permutation exhausted to try to avoid the resistor substitution method described in the service manual. Thanks for your help and encouragement Henk. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 9:02 pm Subject: [naktalk] Adjusting Cam positions on the Nak 682 Hi Ben, The falling apart pot-adjust is something I recently experienced myself too in a 480. Quite annoying, as rebuilding requires the simultaneous unsoldering of three prongs of the pot. I do not have serious desoldering gear, so I can only mess around. After that you have to start the whole adjustment from a very strange starting point, making it a trial and error exorcise The erratic results of the Cam system after your first adjusts might well be caused by insecure contacts of the almost falling apart pot. I hope you will succeed in reviving this nice Nak. Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >Message: 7 >Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:14:11 -0400 >From: benstratford at aol.co.uk >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: <8CA6FC10B5A10B3-3B4-7C0 at FWM-D08.sysops.aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Henk, > >I am certain that you are exactly in the area of the problem.? In fact it >was just after adjusting VR401 (Cue mode) that the problem happened.? I had >tried to back track and indeed achieve this but the adjustment is not happening >sufficiently enough at any combination of adjustment of all thee settings.? > > >Then in adjusting VR403 (Play mode), the variable resistor itself fell apart >and I now need to replace this (5K).? Will park the job now until this is >sorted.? > >Thanks for your suggestion, will feedback in the future. > >Cheers, Ben > > >-----Original Message----- >From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:03 pm >Subject: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 > > > >Ben, > >As non-guru I want to share the same experience I had once. >Keep in mind that the cam stop, play and cue positions are interacting on >each other. I always iterate a few times through the adjustments to avoid >creating a misadjusting of the first after adjusting the latter. >And one of the adjustments (probably the cue, 95% sure) borders on instability >of the lot. By setting the cue adjustment toward it's optimum value might >have shifted the whole system into imbalance. Return the cue (non important) >adjust in it's previous imperfect position and try again. > >Hope this cures this super Nakamichi, as the 68* series is still my personal >favourite (and yes, got Dragon, ZXL1000, ZX-9 etc. been there, done that) >For nobody asks; second favourite is the 600..... > >Keep the good Naks rolling > >Henk Schenk >Netherlands > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ed > > From kmashlan at shaw.ca Mon Apr 21 13:28:39 2008 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:28:39 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] BX100 reel motor problem In-Reply-To: <47CE848F0002CBF5@mail-6-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> References: <200804191003.m3JA0wPk019866@zxe.naks.com> <47CE848F0002CBF5@mail-6-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <000001c8a3a2$d90a00c0$0101010a@enabling.local> OK... First, I know this has been discussed before, but I can't find it in the archives... I have a BX100 where the reel motor doesn't turn. The deck was left for a long time and then no-go. I thought stuck reel motor or idler, or cam, but the cam (control?) is fine as is capstan (heads engage and capstan turns). Then I checked the idler to find that the reel doesn't turn in play or RW/FF, I have checked and it will turn with a battery connected to it, and checking the voltage at the board connector no 3, there is no power being sent to the motor. My experience with schematics is limited, and I downloaded the service manual for the BX150, which I assume is similar. I tried varying VR601 to see if that would prompt any power to the motor (in case it had a dead spot), but nothing. I as thinking either the controller chip has gone, or there is a resistor/cap/something in the line which is blown. If it is not too hard, could someone let me know the path to check - i.e. check for x volts at resistor blah etc. Thanks in advance Ken -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nigel > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 07:38:45 -0400 > From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Problem with BX2 > > Hi Nigel, > > if there's slack tape, it means that the capstan is turning faster than > the drive motor is rolling the tape on the cassette's hubs. > > It's usually caused by a worn idler tire, which you can get from ESL > Labs (www.nakamichi.us). They also sell the part on eBay, see item > #300215994487. > > Usual symptoms of a worn tire are easier to see with tapes that are > showing a bit of wear: > -the deck has trouble fast forwarding and rewinding these tapes more > than other decks > -it doesn't want to play on certain areas of the tape. > -it stops while playing > -it doesn't play > > You can manually test the amount of torque. For this, open the cassette > door, and pull the aluminum/plastic cover up, it's clipped on a frame. > Once you've removed it, close the door. Press play, if you can easily > stop the right spindle from turning (ie. by a light touch), there's a > tire problem. > > If there's a good amount of torque, it's probably caused by dead spots > on the drive motor (the spindles won't move at all unless you turn the > cam a bit). It's possible to burnish the contacts to give a second life > to the motor, I've successfully done this already, but I've been told > the success rate is low. I'll give more details if you need them. First > check for the idler. > > By the way, the idler replacement instructions are available at nakamichi.us > > Hope this helps! > Antoine > > nigel vernon a écrit : > > Well, not my problem exactly but my daughter's. A recent convert to Nak's. > > Everything is playing fine with her BX-2 then all of a sudden the > > machine goes into stop mode. When you take the tape out there is slack > > tape on the right hand spool.Would some kind soul suggest what the > > problem is and how to fix it.Laura will be very grateful.Thanks.Nigel. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 > > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:14:11 -0400 > > From: benstratford at aol.co.uk > > > > Henk, > > > > I am certain that you are exactly in the area of the problem. In > > fact it was just after adjusting VR401 (Cue mode) that the problem > > happened. I had tried to back track and indeed achieve this but > > the adjustment is not happening sufficiently enough at any > > combination of adjustment of all thee settings. > > > > Then in adjusting VR403 (Play mode), the variable resistor itself > > fell apart and I now need to replace this (5K). Will park the job > > now until this is sorted. > > > > Thanks for your suggestion, will feedback in the future. > > > > Cheers, Ben > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:03 pm > > Subject: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 62, Issue 17 > > > > Ben, > > > > As non-guru I want to share the same experience I had once. > > Keep in mind that the cam stop, play and cue positions are interacting on > > each other. I always iterate a few times through the adjustments to avoid > > creating a misadjusting of the first after adjusting the latter. > > And one of the adjustments (probably the cue, 95% sure) borders on instability > > of the lot. By setting the cue adjustment toward it's optimum value might > > have shifted the whole system into imbalance. Return the cue (non important) > > adjust in it's previous imperfect position and try again. > > > > Hope this cures this super Nakamichi, as the 78* series is still my personal > > favourite (and yes, got Dragon, ZXL1000, ZX-9 etc. been there, done that) > > For nobody asks; second favourite is the 600..... > > > > Keep the good Naks rolling > > > > Henk Schenk > > Netherlands > > > > > > ----------------History------------------ > > From: benstratford at aol.co.uk > > Subject: [naktalk] 682 - Not logical No.2 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: <8CA6F1EF6DF3EBC-888-2E1E at WEBMAIL-DF09.sysops.aol.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Guru's, > > > > Now the next problem, hopefully they only come in pairs!? Having sorted the > > first issue of cam switch feedback (silly me), the transport function was > > fine.? Played a tape and it was a bit muddy so got the service manual out > > again.? Set the cam stop, play and cue positions and capstan speed.? The > > head stroke needed slight adjustment to align in cue mode. Then the guide > > check gauge and the supply guide was a hair out.??BUT I found that I couldn't > > eject the gauge as the cam had advanced to F position in stop mode on its > > own! Powered off and manually retracted the heads to allow ejection.? Went > > back to the beginning to recheck VR402 Stop and VR403 Play - no amount of > > twiddling could get both in the right position.? The service manual explains > > what to do in this scenario by substitution of resistors as a starting point > > which i will have a look at. > > > > Is it normal to have to resort to this back up scenario, would a resistor > > have failed during the above adjustments?? Anyone have any views on this > > problem before I go ahead? > > > > Cheers, Ben > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the next generation of Windows Live http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Apr 22 07:10:07 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:10:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Never take your Nak on a date! Message-ID: <9C866819-7E0A-480A-BAFA-CB3AD77724D7@kvglabs.com> Hi All, I had to share this piece of personal Naka-mania with the group. A well meaning-friend hooked me up on a blind date this past weekend, and against my better judgment I went because he did a good job selling her to me. "Oh, you two have so much in common -- she loves making nature recordings, artistic photography and she even builds electronic things. She's perfect for you." Well, okay, I thought to myself, anything's possible. Lightning can strike twice, my college sweetheart was a pro audio person, an outstanding photographer and she helped me build my amplifiers in the 1970s. So I decided to give this new woman a chance. Of course, eager to make a good impression, I put my best location gear in my biggest gig bag, ready for both artistic photography and location sound. Into the gig bag went: 1. Nakamichi 550 with spare dry cells and four vintage Maxell UD-XL II cassettes. 2. AKG D900 shotgun ENG mike with pistol grip, shock mount, zeppelin, and hand-made cable with custom-made transformer to match the Nakamichi 550's mike input. 3. AKG K240 stereophones. 4. Minox B subminiature camera with two spare Adox film cartridges. 5. Graflex RB Series D, a 3-1/4" x 4-1/4" sheet-film SLR camera with two film magazines loaded with Efke 100 speed black-and-white film, green filter, and spare dark slide. 6. Pentax 1-degree spot exposure meter modified for the Zone System. 7. Berlebach wooden tripod for the Graflex. She brought: 1. An iPhone. 2. Some sort of cheesy mini-mike with adapter cable to connect it to the iPhone. Well, she took one look at my suitcased-sized gig back with the wooden tripod and inquired in an irritated tone of voice, why would anyone use a cassette recorder and all those antique film cameras with a digital device like her iPhone could do the same things and fit in the palm of your hand. Politely, I tried to explain that the results from her multifunction iPhone wasn't as good as my broadcast-quality Nakamichi cassette, pro mikes, the wonderful Graflex and the legendary Minox. Well... her only comment was that "it all seemed like too much trouble." Later, I told me friend how the date went and he laughed, and said, "I'm sorry about that. You're analog, she's digital, I guess you two will never interface." I had the best laugh of the day from his remark! -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue Apr 22 07:26:44 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:26:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Never take your Nak on a date! In-Reply-To: <9C866819-7E0A-480A-BAFA-CB3AD77724D7@kvglabs.com> References: <9C866819-7E0A-480A-BAFA-CB3AD77724D7@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <480D7714.3030608@marrscommunications.com> Now that is funny Kermit! Fred M. Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi All, > > I had to share this piece of personal Naka-mania with the group. A > well meaning-friend hooked me up on a blind date this past weekend, > and against my better judgment I went because he did a good job > selling her to me. "Oh, you two have so much in common -- she loves > making nature recordings, artistic photography and she even builds > electronic things. She's perfect for you." Well, okay, I thought to > myself, anything's possible. Lightning can strike twice, my college > sweetheart was a pro audio person, an outstanding photographer and > she helped me build my amplifiers in the 1970s. So I decided to give > this new woman a chance. > > Of course, eager to make a good impression, I put my best location > gear in my biggest gig bag, ready for both artistic photography and > location sound. Into the gig bag went: > > 1. Nakamichi 550 with spare dry cells and four vintage Maxell UD-XL > II cassettes. > 2. AKG D900 shotgun ENG mike with pistol grip, shock mount, zeppelin, > and hand-made cable with custom-made transformer to match the > Nakamichi 550's mike input. > 3. AKG K240 stereophones. > 4. Minox B subminiature camera with two spare Adox film cartridges. > 5. Graflex RB Series D, a 3-1/4" x 4-1/4" sheet-film SLR camera with > two film magazines loaded with Efke 100 speed black-and-white film, > green filter, and spare dark slide. > 6. Pentax 1-degree spot exposure meter modified for the Zone System. > 7. Berlebach wooden tripod for the Graflex. > > She brought: > > 1. An iPhone. > 2. Some sort of cheesy mini-mike with adapter cable to connect it to > the iPhone. > > Well, she took one look at my suitcased-sized gig back with the > wooden tripod and inquired in an irritated tone of voice, why would > anyone use a cassette recorder and all those antique film cameras > with a digital device like her iPhone could do the same things and > fit in the palm of your hand. Politely, I tried to explain that the > results from her multifunction iPhone wasn't as good as my > broadcast-quality Nakamichi cassette, pro mikes, the wonderful > Graflex and the legendary Minox. Well... her only comment was that > "it all seemed like too much trouble." > > Later, I told me friend how the date went and he laughed, and said, > "I'm sorry about that. You're analog, she's digital, I guess you two > will never interface." I had the best laugh of the day from his remark! > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Apr 22 08:34:48 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:34:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Never take your Nak on a date! In-Reply-To: <480D7714.3030608@marrscommunications.com> References: <9C866819-7E0A-480A-BAFA-CB3AD77724D7@kvglabs.com> <480D7714.3030608@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: Hi my dear Buddy Kermit! We are "Vintages" analogue/film lovers!!! Women's...love be much more "Lighter' that us...so "Digitally" is their "Optimally" solution!!! Buddy...don't be disappointed...it's the "New Epoch"...Ha...Ha...Ha...! Cheers, Alex! > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:26:44 -0500> From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Never take your Nak on a date!> > Now that is funny Kermit! Fred M.> > Kermit Gray wrote:> > > Hi All,> >> > I had to share this piece of personal Naka-mania with the group. A > > well meaning-friend hooked me up on a blind date this past weekend, > > and against my better judgment I went because he did a good job > > selling her to me. "Oh, you two have so much in common -- she loves > > making nature recordings, artistic photography and she even builds > > electronic things. She's perfect for you." Well, okay, I thought to > > myself, anything's possible. Lightning can strike twice, my college > > sweetheart was a pro audio person, an outstanding photographer and > > she helped me build my amplifiers in the 1970s. So I decided to give > > this new woman a chance.> >> > Of course, eager to make a good impression, I put my best location > > gear in my biggest gig bag, ready for both artistic photography and > > location sound. Into the gig bag went:> >> > 1. Nakamichi 550 with spare dry cells and four vintage Maxell UD-XL > > II cassettes.> > 2. AKG D900 shotgun ENG mike with pistol grip, shock mount, zeppelin, > > and hand-made cable with custom-made transformer to match the > > Nakamichi 550's mike input.> > 3. AKG K240 stereophones.> > 4. Minox B subminiature camera with two spare Adox film cartridges.> > 5. Graflex RB Series D, a 3-1/4" x 4-1/4" sheet-film SLR camera with > > two film magazines loaded with Efke 100 speed black-and-white film, > > green filter, and spare dark slide.> > 6. Pentax 1-degree spot exposure meter modified for the Zone System.> > 7. Berlebach wooden tripod for the Graflex.> >> > She brought:> >> > 1. An iPhone.> > 2. Some sort of cheesy mini-mike with adapter cable to connect it to > > the iPhone.> >> > Well, she took one look at my suitcased-sized gig back with the > > wooden tripod and inquired in an irritated tone of voice, why would > > anyone use a cassette recorder and all those antique film cameras > > with a digital device like her iPhone could do the same things and > > fit in the palm of your hand. Politely, I tried to explain that the > > results from her multifunction iPhone wasn't as good as my > > broadcast-quality Nakamichi cassette, pro mikes, the wonderful > > Graflex and the legendary Minox. Well... her only comment was that > > "it all seemed like too much trouble."> >> > Later, I told me friend how the date went and he laughed, and said, > > "I'm sorry about that. You're analog, she's digital, I guess you two > > will never interface." I had the best laugh of the day from his remark!> >> > -- Kermit Gray> > notarbene at kvglabs.com> > KVG Laboratories> > Equipment to Make Your Music Better> > 16371 Lake Point Drive> > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA> > Telephone: 913-422-0957> > Skype ID: triodelicacy> >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. 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All the best, Marco > Message: 2> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:12:49 -0400> From: Edward Noyes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Looking for a 700ZXL head, please help!> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <480C76B1.3030000 at snet.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed> > Hi Marco,> > Don't know if this is the same model, but I've got an unused 682zx > playback head that I was going to put in an LX5 with an open coil. I > still haven't gotten around to it and would rather see a 700zxl benefit. > Get in touch if this would be of interest to you.> > Ed> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Vorresti un pub diverso dal solito? Cercalo con Live Search Maps! http://maps.live.it -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Apr 22 14:26:06 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:26:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Never take your Nak on a date! Message-ID: <042220081226.20037.480DD95E0003D5CF00004E4522155688849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Kermit: Did you take the opportunity to engage in a side-by-side comparison? Unless she is deaf (or just too darn stubborn), that should have convinced her that bringing along all of that equipment is definitely NOT "too much trouble". She could not possibly have been a serious recordist, given her equipment and her "easier is better" attitude. Nothing that's truly worthwhile EVER comes "easy"! I recently had a "discussion" (more like an argument) with a self-appointed computer guru. He simply refused to believe that analog had anything to offer. He said "Analog is old technology. Digital is new technology. When new technology comes along, you must move with it." As if computer thinking could apply to ANY technology. Geez! But then again, I knew that he wasn't a serious listener when he stated that mp3's were perfectly OK to listen to! There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.... *andy* From fsclaol at yahoo.com Tue Apr 22 17:28:09 2008 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Never take your Nak on a date! / The Cutting Floor / Lost In Digitization....... In-Reply-To: <200804221001.m3MA0bsf032700@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <94414.7048.qm@web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kermit..........LOLOL ROTCF(Cutting Floor)LMFAO Well, as they say......... They just don't make them like they used to........ Fred in CT and enjoying Earth Day analogly...... Message: 5 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:10:07 -0500 From: Kermit Gray Subject: [naktalk] Never take your Nak on a date! To: Naktalk Cassette Decks Message-ID: <9C866819-7E0A-480A-BAFA-CB3AD77724D7 at kvglabs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi All, I had to share this piece of personal Naka-mania with the group. A well meaning-friend hooked me up on a blind date this past weekend, and against my better judgment I went because he did a good job selling her to me. "Oh, you two have so much in common -- she loves making nature recordings, artistic photography and she even builds electronic things. She's perfect for you." Well, okay, I thought to myself, anything's possible. Lightning can strike twice, my college sweetheart was a pro audio person, an outstanding photographer and she helped me build my amplifiers in the 1970s. So I decided to give this new woman a chance. Of course, eager to make a good impression, I put my best location gear in my biggest gig bag, ready for both artistic photography and location sound. Into the gig bag went: 1. Nakamichi 550 with spare dry cells and four vintage Maxell UD-XL II cassettes. 2. AKG D900 shotgun ENG mike with pistol grip, shock mount, zeppelin, and hand-made cable with custom-made transformer to match the Nakamichi 550's mike input. 3. AKG K240 stereophones. 4. Minox B subminiature camera with two spare Adox film cartridges. 5. Graflex RB Series D, a 3-1/4" x 4-1/4" sheet-film SLR camera with two film magazines loaded with Efke 100 speed black-and-white film, green filter, and spare dark slide. 6. Pentax 1-degree spot exposure meter modified for the Zone System. 7. Berlebach wooden tripod for the Graflex. She brought: 1. An iPhone. 2. Some sort of cheesy mini-mike with adapter cable to connect it to the iPhone. Well, she took one look at my suitcased-sized gig back with the wooden tripod and inquired in an irritated tone of voice, why would anyone use a cassette recorder and all those antique film cameras with a digital device like her iPhone could do the same things and fit in the palm of your hand. Politely, I tried to explain that the results from her multifunction iPhone wasn't as good as my broadcast-quality Nakamichi cassette, pro mikes, the wonderful Graflex and the legendary Minox. Well... her only comment was that "it all seemed like too much trouble." Later, I told me friend how the date went and he laughed, and said, "I'm sorry about that. You're analog, she's digital, I guess you two will never interface." I had the best laugh of the day from his remark! -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Tue Apr 22 22:19:42 2008 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:19:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Never take your Nak on a date! In-Reply-To: <9C866819-7E0A-480A-BAFA-CB3AD77724D7@kvglabs.com> References: <9C866819-7E0A-480A-BAFA-CB3AD77724D7@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: Aha! There IS good natured humor to be found on NakTalk...including the human interaction factor involving us and our beloved decks...and others. Thank you, Kermit for sharing your "Analoguers are from Mars, Digitizers are from Venus" blind date adventure. I'll bet your post evoked similar misadventures among many of us still looking for that elusive partner. Let me first say, "Better you found out NOW!" and offer the guess that Miss Diplomacy McIPhone probably spent at least 1/3 of your time together yapping with friends on her wireless wonder. Betcha something else -- You probably don't even care for the same music ;-) While these well-intentioned "encounters" can sometimes take the wind out of our sails, it's good to be able to see the humor, and your account was wonderful. As I keep trying to tell myself, She's out there, so don't give up!" Thanks again for sharing. Steve> From: notarbene at kvglabs.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:10:07 -0500> Subject: [naktalk] Never take your Nak on a date!> > Hi All,> > I had to share this piece of personal Naka-mania with the group. A > well meaning-friend hooked me up on a blind date this past weekend, > and against my better judgment I went because he did a good job > selling her to me. "Oh, you two have so much in common -- she loves > making nature recordings, artistic photography and she even builds > electronic things. She's perfect for you." Well, okay, I thought to > myself, anything's possible. Lightning can strike twice, my college > sweetheart was a pro audio person, an outstanding photographer and she > helped me build my amplifiers in the 1970s. So I decided to give this > new woman a chance.> > Of course, eager to make a good impression, I put my best location > gear in my biggest gig bag, ready for both artistic photography and > location sound. Into the gig bag went:> > 1. Nakamichi 550 with spare dry cells and four vintage Maxell UD-XL II > cassettes.> 2. AKG D900 shotgun ENG mike with pistol grip, shock mount, zeppelin, > and hand-made cable with custom-made transformer to match the > Nakamichi 550's mike input.> 3. AKG K240 stereophones.> 4. Minox B subminiature camera with two spare Adox film cartridges.> 5. Graflex RB Series D, a 3-1/4" x 4-1/4" sheet-film SLR camera with > two film magazines loaded with Efke 100 speed black-and-white film, > green filter, and spare dark slide.> 6. Pentax 1-degree spot exposure meter modified for the Zone System.> 7. Berlebach wooden tripod for the Graflex.> > She brought:> > 1. An iPhone.> 2. Some sort of cheesy mini-mike with adapter cable to connect it to > the iPhone.> > Well, she took one look at my suitcased-sized gig back with the wooden > tripod and inquired in an irritated tone of voice, why would anyone > use a cassette recorder and all those antique film cameras with a > digital device like her iPhone could do the same things and fit in the > palm of your hand. Politely, I tried to explain that the results from > her multifunction iPhone wasn't as good as my broadcast-quality > Nakamichi cassette, pro mikes, the wonderful Graflex and the legendary > Minox. Well... her only comment was that "it all seemed like too much > trouble."> > Later, I told me friend how the date went and he laughed, and said, > "I'm sorry about that. You're analog, she's digital, I guess you two > will never interface." I had the best laugh of the day from his remark!> > -- Kermit Gray> notarbene at kvglabs.com> KVG Laboratories> Equipment to Make Your Music Better> 16371 Lake Point Drive> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA> Telephone: 913-422-0957> Skype ID: triodelicacy> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Apr 22 23:27:33 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:27:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Never take your Nak on a date! In-Reply-To: <9C866819-7E0A-480A-BAFA-CB3AD77724D7@kvglabs.com> References: <9C866819-7E0A-480A-BAFA-CB3AD77724D7@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <20080422212730.KQYN27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> hahahahahahaha, oh boy oh boy!! Maybe you could leave the Minox B at home next time. Most women think it's presumptuous that you want them to 'develop' your negatives, especially miniatures. Might I suggest a digital picture frame with recording capabilities next time? At 01:10 AM 4/22/2008, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I had to share this piece of personal Naka-mania with the group. A >well meaning-friend hooked me up on a blind date this past weekend, >and against my better judgment I went because he did a good job >selling her to me. "Oh, you two have so much in common -- she loves >making nature recordings, artistic photography and she even builds >electronic things. She's perfect for you." Well, okay, I thought to >myself, anything's possible. Lightning can strike twice, my college >sweetheart was a pro audio person, an outstanding photographer and she >helped me build my amplifiers in the 1970s. So I decided to give this >new woman a chance. > >Of course, eager to make a good impression, I put my best location >gear in my biggest gig bag, ready for both artistic photography and >location sound. Into the gig bag went: > >1. Nakamichi 550 with spare dry cells and four vintage Maxell UD-XL II >cassettes. >2. AKG D900 shotgun ENG mike with pistol grip, shock mount, zeppelin, >and hand-made cable with custom-made transformer to match the >Nakamichi 550's mike input. >3. AKG K240 stereophones. >4. Minox B subminiature camera with two spare Adox film cartridges. >5. Graflex RB Series D, a 3-1/4" x 4-1/4" sheet-film SLR camera with >two film magazines loaded with Efke 100 speed black-and-white film, >green filter, and spare dark slide. >6. Pentax 1-degree spot exposure meter modified for the Zone System. >7. Berlebach wooden tripod for the Graflex. > >She brought: > >1. An iPhone. >2. Some sort of cheesy mini-mike with adapter cable to connect it to >the iPhone. > >Well, she took one look at my suitcased-sized gig back with the wooden >tripod and inquired in an irritated tone of voice, why would anyone >use a cassette recorder and all those antique film cameras with a >digital device like her iPhone could do the same things and fit in the >palm of your hand. Politely, I tried to explain that the results from >her multifunction iPhone wasn't as good as my broadcast-quality >Nakamichi cassette, pro mikes, the wonderful Graflex and the legendary >Minox. Well... her only comment was that "it all seemed like too much >trouble." > >Later, I told me friend how the date went and he laughed, and said, >"I'm sorry about that. You're analog, she's digital, I guess you two >will never interface." I had the best laugh of the day from his remark! > >-- Kermit Gray >notarbene at kvglabs.com >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to Make Your Music Better >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >Telephone: 913-422-0957 >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 23 10:20:30 2008 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (cjlovesjazz) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:20:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E control motor problem - continued Message-ID: <859243.72795.bm@omp214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thank you for the responses to my recent post about one of my BX-300E's. I was fairly sure, based on advice I got, that the control motor wasn't the problem but I lubricated the cams and treated the motor to a burst of DeOxit D5 anyway. I turned my attention to the reel motor, which I didn't feel confident to dismantle so I carefully gave that some DeOxit. THEN I spotted something I just didn't expect. I turned the power on and the capstan motor didn't turn. If I gently pushed one of the flywheels it would start but it wouldn't start on its own. Once it's running, pressing PLAY works as it should. Thinking that maybe the capstan bearings may be a bit dry, I tipped the deck on it's back and ran some light machine oil through both bearings, then I replaced the nylon washers on the capstan shafts making sure I didn't push them to the very bottom of the shaft because that seemed like it could cause a little drag on the capstan motor. At first it seemed to work but once I left the deck powered off for a couple of hours and then powered it back on, the problem was still there. I've read here and there about motors not receiving a sufficiently high voltage - could this be the case here? Any advice gratefully received... Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 23 13:00:07 2008 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (cjlovesjazz) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:00:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Never take your Nak on a date Message-ID: <433162.78273.bm@omp202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Kermit This made me laugh so much. I have found a "life partner" and she can just about tolerate my hi-fi obsession - just about. She can also just about tolerate my approach to getting my hi-fi "right". I have an Arcam amplifier that is very prone to picking up RFI. It drives me nuts! I have an Arcam CD player that has a poor display, has already stripped one transport loading gear (yes the famous CDM9 transport), and the tray overruns when it opens. Very annoying so I keep another CD player for the day that this strips the spare gear I've bought. I have two BX-300E's which both need work - I also just bought a Yamaha KX-580 on eBay in case the impulse to sell the Naks gets too strong. I have to agree with bosshoss/andy: things that are worthwhile are never easy. Thank God we've got a community here to remind us of that because I've just started to think about how much my stuff would fetch on eBay and how cute a little TEAC micro-system would look in my hi-cabinet. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've ordered a new belt (thanks Fred of Marrs Communications) and although I have a service manual I could do with some step by step instructions (with photos if possible) of how to change the belt as I've not done this before. Anyone out there that could help me or at least give me some advice? Thanks Garry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 24 00:44:37 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:44:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E control motor problem - continued Message-ID: <33338299.1208990677159.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 24 07:41:56 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:41:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E control motor problem - continued In-Reply-To: <859243.72795.bm@omp214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <859243.72795.bm@omp214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48101DA4.4080403@rcn.com> Since you already lubricated the capstans, only two more checks remain...Measure the +11.7 V feeding the motor. If low, measure the !+12V out of the deck supply. . If the +12V is fine but the +11.7 is not, suspect the 5.6 Ohm resistor in series with the motor. If both are OK, suspect the driver IC on the motor PCB. Good luck, -- Ron cjlovesjazz wrote: > Thank you for the responses to my recent post about one of my BX-300E's. > > I was fairly sure, based on advice I got, that the control motor > wasn't the problem but I lubricated the cams and treated the motor to > a burst of DeOxit D5 anyway. > > I turned my attention to the reel motor, which I didn't feel confident > to dismantle so I carefully gave that some DeOxit. > > THEN I spotted something I just didn't expect. I turned the power on > and the capstan motor didn't turn. If I gently pushed one of the > flywheels it would start but it wouldn't start on its own. Once it's > running, pressing PLAY works as it should. > > Thinking that maybe the capstan bearings may be a bit dry, I tipped > the deck on it's back and ran some light machine oil through both > bearings, then I replaced the nylon washers on the capstan shafts > making sure I didn't push them to the very bottom of the shaft because > that seemed like it could cause a little drag on the capstan motor. > > At first it seemed to work but once I left the deck powered off for a > couple of hours and then powered it back on, the problem was still > there. I've read here and there about motors not receiving a > sufficiently high voltage - could this be the case here? > > Any advice gratefully received... > > Chris From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Apr 24 17:34:37 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:34:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OUCH! Message-ID: <042420081534.5609.4810A88D000D8399000015E922165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Ouch!.............. http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-M-9036-Tape-Cassette-Deck-Tilt-Check-Gauge_W0QQitemZ310044264737QQihZ021QQcategoryZ71574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Ouch again!.............. http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-DA-9038-Tape-Cassette-Deck-Stroke-Check-Gauge_W0QQitemZ320243908738QQihZ011QQcategoryZ71574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Thu Apr 24 18:00:16 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:00:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E control motor problem - continued In-Reply-To: <859243.72795.bm@omp214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <859243.72795.bm@omp214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4810AE8F.8050907@marrscommunications.com> Hi Chris, Most people do not think about this but, try replacing the small cap across the power terminals on the motor? Fred M. cjlovesjazz wrote: > Thank you for the responses to my recent post about one of my BX-300E's. > > I was fairly sure, based on advice I got, that the control motor > wasn't the problem but I lubricated the cams and treated the motor to > a burst of DeOxit D5 anyway. > > I turned my attention to the reel motor, which I didn't feel confident > to dismantle so I carefully gave that some DeOxit. > > THEN I spotted something I just didn't expect. I turned the power on > and the capstan motor didn't turn. If I gently pushed one of the > flywheels it would start but it wouldn't start on its own. Once it's > running, pressing PLAY works as it should. > > Thinking that maybe the capstan bearings may be a bit dry, I tipped > the deck on it's back and ran some light machine oil through both > bearings, then I replaced the nylon washers on the capstan shafts > making sure I didn't push them to the very bottom of the shaft because > that seemed like it could cause a little drag on the capstan motor. > > At first it seemed to work but once I left the deck powered off for a > couple of hours and then powered it back on, the problem was still > there. I've read here and there about motors not receiving a > sufficiently high voltage - could this be the case here? > > Any advice gratefully received... > > Chris > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Thu Apr 24 18:28:58 2008 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:28:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Never take your Nak on a date! In-Reply-To: <9C866819-7E0A-480A-BAFA-CB3AD77724D7@kvglabs.com> References: <9C866819-7E0A-480A-BAFA-CB3AD77724D7@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD428A0C023BC@mail.mmsav.com> Hi Kermit, Great story!! I had better luck 28 years ago. In 1980 I was living in an apartment complex that had some storage cages in the basement for suitcases, boxes, etc. I was sitting in my apartment one night listening to music when there was a knock at the door. I opened the door to find a cute little blond babe!! She said, " Do you own a Nakamichi 1000?" "Could I keep my skies in your bin?" "Can I come over and listen to your HiFi some time?"!!! Wow, she not only knew what a Nakamichi was but she could pronounce it! She had moved down from Detroit and just so happened to be friends with some Audiophiles up there. We have been happily married for 28 years this August! We still don't have a TV in the living room, just a high-end audio system. After owning about 20 different Nakamichi decks I am now down to my trusty old 680ZX. But my cute little blond babe has stuck with me through thick and thin, in sickness and health!! And with a crazy engineer husband she will definitely get her crown in Heaven! Doug Guth, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 (864) 297-8533 -----Original Message----- From: Kermit Gray [mailto:notarbene at kvglabs.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:10 AM To: Naktalk Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Never take your Nak on a date! Hi All, I had to share this piece of personal Naka-mania with the group. A well meaning-friend hooked me up on a blind date this past weekend, and against my better judgment I went because he did a good job selling her to me. "Oh, you two have so much in common -- she loves making nature recordings, artistic photography and she even builds electronic things. She's perfect for you." Well, okay, I thought to myself, anything's possible. Lightning can strike twice, my college sweetheart was a pro audio person, an outstanding photographer and she helped me build my amplifiers in the 1970s. So I decided to give this new woman a chance. Of course, eager to make a good impression, I put my best location gear in my biggest gig bag, ready for both artistic photography and location sound. Into the gig bag went: 1. Nakamichi 550 with spare dry cells and four vintage Maxell UD-XL II cassettes. 2. AKG D900 shotgun ENG mike with pistol grip, shock mount, zeppelin, and hand-made cable with custom-made transformer to match the Nakamichi 550's mike input. 3. AKG K240 stereophones. 4. Minox B subminiature camera with two spare Adox film cartridges. 5. Graflex RB Series D, a 3-1/4" x 4-1/4" sheet-film SLR camera with two film magazines loaded with Efke 100 speed black-and-white film, green filter, and spare dark slide. 6. Pentax 1-degree spot exposure meter modified for the Zone System. 7. Berlebach wooden tripod for the Graflex. She brought: 1. An iPhone. 2. Some sort of cheesy mini-mike with adapter cable to connect it to the iPhone. Well, she took one look at my suitcased-sized gig back with the wooden tripod and inquired in an irritated tone of voice, why would anyone use a cassette recorder and all those antique film cameras with a digital device like her iPhone could do the same things and fit in the palm of your hand. Politely, I tried to explain that the results from her multifunction iPhone wasn't as good as my broadcast-quality Nakamichi cassette, pro mikes, the wonderful Graflex and the legendary Minox. Well... her only comment was that "it all seemed like too much trouble." Later, I told me friend how the date went and he laughed, and said, "I'm sorry about that. You're analog, she's digital, I guess you two will never interface." I had the best laugh of the day from his remark! -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 24 20:08:07 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:08:07 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] OUCH! Message-ID: <12271053.1209060487749.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Is this the company that pulled a set off eBay after 1 day about 3 months ago? I think it is. While the tilt gauge is nice, this is the 2 head version gauge, so who cares what the price is, it is too high. The stroke check gauge is pretty useless. Wait for the good stuff. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Apr 24, 2008 10:34 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] OUCH! > > >Ouch!.............. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-M-9036-Tape-Cassette-Deck-Tilt-Check-Gauge_W0QQitemZ310044264737QQihZ021QQcategoryZ71574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > >Ouch again!.............. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-DA-9038-Tape-Cassette-Deck-Stroke-Check-Gauge_W0QQitemZ320243908738QQihZ011QQcategoryZ71574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Apr 25 13:46:54 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:46:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Never take your Nak on a date! Message-ID: <042520081146.10447.4811C4AE000C6C38000028CF22165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Great story, Doug! I lived in Greenville for a short time once. I can attest that there are babes a-plenty in that neck of the woods! :-) *andy* From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Fri Apr 25 18:20:13 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:20:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Pinch rollers Message-ID: <042520081620.6464.481204BD0006D2770000194022230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> My ZXL has a set of worn cap rollers that are curling the tape. They are no longer flat and cleaning, lubing makes no difference. Does anyone have a clean set from a parts deck (400/500/600/RX) series would work. thanks dan ddino77 at bellsouth.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 25 19:37:21 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:37:21 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] mcm cam motor do not order yet Message-ID: <6147628.1209145041158.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I jumped the gun a bit on the Sankyo replacement cam motor as supplied by MCM. I just received some and the shaft is too long. I will try and get specific shaft length and sources out to everyone ASAP, but for now do not order the MCM motor. tom Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From lenaw at flash.net Fri Apr 25 15:03:38 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OUCH! In-Reply-To: <12271053.1209060487749.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <423715.55378.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think they think every Nak gauge worths a fortune now !! Tom Brucker wrote: Is this the company that pulled a set off eBay after 1 day about 3 months ago? I think it is. While the tilt gauge is nice, this is the 2 head version gauge, so who cares what the price is, it is too high. The stroke check gauge is pretty useless. Wait for the good stuff. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Apr 24, 2008 10:34 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] OUCH! > > >Ouch!.............. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-M-9036-Tape-Cassette-Deck-Tilt-Check-Gauge_W0QQitemZ310044264737QQihZ021QQcategoryZ71574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > >Ouch again!.............. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-DA-9038-Tape-Cassette-Deck-Stroke-Check-Gauge_W0QQitemZ320243908738QQihZ011QQcategoryZ71574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terry75115 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 25 19:15:08 2008 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with CR-7A In-Reply-To: <12271053.1209060487749.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <440742.6250.qm@web56406.mail.re3.yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terry75115 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 25 19:36:44 2008 From: terry75115 at yahoo.com (Terry Houchins) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with CR-7A In-Reply-To: <042520081146.10447.4811C4AE000C6C38000028CF22165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <586843.50272.qm@web56408.mail.re3.yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Fri Apr 25 15:37:12 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:37:12 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] OUCH! References: <042420081534.5609.4810A88D000D8399000015E922165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <013801c8a6d9$77b40660$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Ouch is right, US $700 for two gauges!!!! sold to a "Comrade" from Russia ... becoming more valuable than any ZX-9 or Dragon!! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:34 AM Subject: [naktalk] OUCH! > > Ouch!.............. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-M-9036-Tape-Cassette-Deck-Tilt-Check-Gauge_W0QQitemZ310044264737QQihZ021QQcategoryZ71574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > Ouch again!.............. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-DA-9038-Tape-Cassette-Deck-Stroke-Check-Gauge_W0QQitemZ320243908738QQihZ011QQcategoryZ71574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > > *andy* > > From luis at peromarta.org Sat Apr 26 00:48:05 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:48:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] HELP needed with CR-7A In-Reply-To: <586843.50272.qm@web56408.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <586843.50272.qm@web56408.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48125FA5.60701@peromarta.org> I'd suggest checking DC rails and fuses for correct DC voltages first. You will need a service manual. rgds, LP. Terry Houchins escribió: > I just bought a CR-7A that seems to have problems. > > 1) it won't FF or PLAY. when I press the buttons it tries but stops. > > 2) when I turn the OUTPUT volumn to Maximum I get a humming buzz sound. When I turn to half way I get a motorboat sound. > > 3) when powered up, the VU panel lights do not come on. > > > > any help is appreciated. > > Terry in Texas > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try > it now. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Apr 25 21:00:10 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:00:10 EDT Subject: [naktalk] OUCH! Message-ID: In a message dated 4/25/2008 11:57:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: I think they think every Nak gauge worths a fortune now !! They're worth whatever you can get for them. I saw a used tension gauge sell on eBay for more than the same one new from MCM recently. Jeff W **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sat Apr 26 06:23:04 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck Message-ID: <760601.36903.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This is up again. I sent the report below to ebay. It's amazing that the scam copies the text from the first one word for word and ebay can't pick that up... >This auction # 250240101987 is using the second photo down from a previous auction # 260216638989 and copies the description word for word so is probably a scam. --- On Sat, 3/29/08, fripp_em wrote: > From: fripp_em > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Saturday, March 29, 2008, 11:44 AM > It's a scam. The picture is the second one down from > this auction: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=260216638989 > > --- Mark Exstedt wrote: > > > > > Anybody on the Naktalk list have one of these? It > > sure is pretty and impressive, but beyond my price > > range (for now). > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270222160879&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123 > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster > Total Access for one month at no cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text4.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mrm12000 at cableone.net Fri Apr 25 21:56:23 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:56:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes Message-ID: <2260.1209153383@cableone.net> Hi All, What is the collective wisdom on re-recording cassette tapes? Use a bulk eraser first? Just let the erase head do its job? Don't reuse cassettes? I found some very nice Maxell MX and Sony SR metal tapes at a garage sale, and I'd like to record over what's on them in the best way. Thanks! ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk Fri Apr 25 23:18:23 2008 From: nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk (nigel vernon) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:18:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ii Looking for a new home In-Reply-To: <042520081146.10447.4811C4AE000C6C38000028CF22165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <042520081146.10447.4811C4AE000C6C38000028CF22165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: I have a 700ii that someone is welcome to have.It is in good shape cosmetically. It powers up ok but the function buttons don't appear to be working. I don't have the necessary skills to try and make it work so if anyone would like to try their luck then they are welcome to it.You will have to pick it up from here though. or I can deliver in Wolverhampton. I live in Welshpool Mid Wales in the UK.nIGEL > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > To: dougg at mmsav.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Never take your Nak on a date! > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:46:54 +0000 > CC: naktalk at naks.com > > > Great story, Doug! > > I lived in Greenville for a short time once. I can attest that there are babes a-plenty in that neck of the woods! > > :-) > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Play the Andrex Hello Softie Game & win great prizes http://www.thehellosoftiegame.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Apr 26 17:28:32 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:28:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] MCM cam motor Message-ID: In a message dated 4/25/2008 11:58:38 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: I jumped the gun a bit on the Sankyo replacement cam motor as supplied by MCM. I just received some and the shaft is too long. I will try and get specific shaft length and sources out to everyone ASAP, but for now do not order the MCM motor. The other Mabuchi motor from MCM, _http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/28-1600_ (http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/28-1600) - a RF-370 works better and is designed for 12V. This is the one which actually appears in the Nak price list as a replacement for the standard cam motor under OCO9526. Jeff W **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk Sat Apr 26 11:26:19 2008 From: jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk (Jason Stephens) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:26:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ii Looking for a new home References: <042520081146.10447.4811C4AE000C6C38000028CF22165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00cc01c8a77f$97154d60$fea64754@jasona028a1a62> Hello Nigel, Just received your message about the Nakamichi 700ii via the naks.com website. If you still have the 700ii deck can I please take it off your hands. I'm also in Welshpol so collection will be no problem. Look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Jason Stephens 01938 552933 / 07854 329730 ----- Original Message ----- From: nigel vernon To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 10:18 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700 ii Looking for a new home I have a 700ii that someone is welcome to have.It is in good shape cosmetically. It powers up ok but the function buttons don't appear to be working. I don't have the necessary skills to try and make it work so if anyone would like to try their luck then they are welcome to it.You will have to pick it up from here though. or I can deliver in Wolverhampton. I live in Welshpool Mid Wales in the UK.nIGEL > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > To: dougg at mmsav.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Never take your Nak on a date! > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:46:54 +0000 > CC: naktalk at naks.com > > > Great story, Doug! > > I lived in Greenville for a short time once. I can attest that there are babes a-plenty in that neck of the woods! > > :-) > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1398 - Release Date: 25/04/2008 14:31 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at richardhess.com Sat Apr 26 19:33:42 2008 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:33:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone selling a Dragon or CR7/7A? Message-ID: <0MKpCa-1JpoLe2JIP-0000t5@mrelay.perfora.net> Hi, I am slowly looking for a few more cassette machines. Of course, I'm looking for a fair price. I'd rather not do ePay. I would prefer a Canadian source. I am looking for a Dragon and/or a CR7/CR7A. I would be open to non-working machines (if the price was right). Cheers, Richard Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From mfallon at windstream.net Sat Apr 26 13:46:28 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 7:46:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Used tapes for sale Message-ID: <20080426114628.JEQC9682.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Hello folks, Found this list researching tapes deck maintenance for my BX 300. I have a couple of hi-bias hundred tapes that I'd like to sell. They are mostly Maxell XLII and XLII-S. Also TDKs and Sonys metals. There have only been recorded on once and I am certain that some have not been played more than once or twice (Grateful Dead fan here). Anyway, if anyone is interested, drop a line and you can help me do some spring cleaning. Prices: metals $4 XLII-S & SAX $2 SA $1.50 XLII $1 thanks, Mike From mrm12000 at cableone.net Sat Apr 26 16:11:08 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:11:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes Message-ID: <1463.1209219068@cableone.net> Thanks for your insight. I know that metal tapes are supposed to be harder to erase than others. Do you mind telling which bulk eraser you use? On Sat Apr 26 6:42 , Ron sent: > >An article published many years ago indicated that bulk erasing >a tape before re-recording reduces noise by a couple of db. >Not earthshaking, but worth it. I bulk erase before re-recording >wherever possible. > >-- Ron > > >mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> What is the collective wisdom on re-recording cassette tapes? Use a bulk eraser >> first? Just let the erase head do its job? Don't reuse cassettes? I found some very >> nice Maxell MX and Sony SR metal tapes at a garage sale, and I'd like to record >> over what's on them in the best way. >> >> Thanks! >> ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 26 08:42:05 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 02:42:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes In-Reply-To: <2260.1209153383@cableone.net> References: <2260.1209153383@cableone.net> Message-ID: <4812CEBD.7050602@rcn.com> An article published many years ago indicated that bulk erasing a tape before re-recording reduces noise by a couple of db. Not earthshaking, but worth it. I bulk erase before re-recording wherever possible. -- Ron mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > Hi All, > > What is the collective wisdom on re-recording cassette tapes? Use a bulk eraser > first? Just let the erase head do its job? Don't reuse cassettes? I found some very > nice Maxell MX and Sony SR metal tapes at a garage sale, and I'd like to record > over what's on them in the best way. > > Thanks! > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net > From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sun Apr 27 20:36:00 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:36:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes In-Reply-To: <2260.1209153383@cableone.net> References: <2260.1209153383@cableone.net> Message-ID: <032E5588-57FE-494F-877A-6281F8BCE490@kvglabs.com> Reusing tapes is fine. Bulk erasure, assuming a high-quality unit, is better than erasing on the recorder itself because it reduces the noise of the cassette back to its like-new blank condition. I use a 1968-vintage "Gibson Girl" countertop studio and broadcast quality bulk tape eraser that can bring even 16-inch diameter, 2-inch videotapes back to like-new noise levels. Out of curiosity, I once put a cheap mechanical wristwatch on it and switched it on -- it wrecked the watch's movement! A few years ago, I erased a hard drive on my bulk eraser for security purposes. This is one powerful bulk eraser! Lesser quality bulk erasers, though, may only erase to the same noise depth as the deck itself can, but at least that saves wear on the deck. The better hand held models, like Nortronics or Geneva, can erase a cassette tape better than the cassette deck can, but sometimes only by 3 dB (depending on the cassette deck being compared). Also, bulk erasure will eliminate remnants of recording between the tracks that can occur if the tape was made on a different brand deck than what you own, especially if the tape was made on a mono cassette recorder. On Apr 25, 2008, at 2:56 PM, mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > Hi All, > > What is the collective wisdom on re-recording cassette tapes? Use a > bulk eraser > first? Just let the erase head do its job? Don't reuse cassettes? I > found some very > nice Maxell MX and Sony SR metal tapes at a garage sale, and I'd > like to record > over what's on them in the best way. > > Thanks! > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Mon Apr 28 06:40:07 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:40:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak-a-bration Message-ID: <8A292B87-5952-4F53-B9DF-2438260A70A3@kvglabs.com> Hello All, I took this weekend off to catch up on equipment repairs because I'd gotten down to only three low-end cassette decks running -- a Pioneer CT-F7272, a Bang & Olufsen Beocord 2400 and an awful-sounding but nice- looking SAE C3A. This is the equivalent of going deaf. Thanks to this group, especially Cyril, Dave, Bala and Wouter and others; I now have the pleasure of listening to both of my Nakamichi 550, the 500, the 680Zx, and two of my five 600 series machines. Next month I'll be taking one weekend off for repairs and hope to finally repair two more 600 series (transport key mechanism jammed), Rega Planar 3 (needs a power supply conditioner, a belt and a different boxcar mounted), Revox B77-HS Mk. II. (defective rec/play monitor switch), Revox B710 Mk. II. (broken power switch), Pioneer CT-4141 (bad belt -- I'm fixing it merely for nostalgia because it was my first stereo cassette deck), Bang & Olufsen Beocord 9000 (bad belt), KVG Labs Type 60C "Feste" (bad filter caps, tone control and volume control), and Heathkit W5M (bad coupling cap, broken fuse holder, defective output tubes and weak rectifier). None of these needs major repairs, as you see. The Revox B77 will take most of the time because it has to be virtually dismantled to get at the defective switch. But first things first, I had to get some Nakamichi decks running before I worked on the other machines. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Apr 27 07:39:13 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 01:39:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes In-Reply-To: <1463.1209219068@cableone.net> References: <1463.1209219068@cableone.net> Message-ID: <48141181.9060000@rcn.com> I have an old Rat Shack 'Heavy duty' bulk eraser. It's supposed to be strong enough for 1/2" video tapes and completely erases metal audio cassettes in a split second. I am currently far away from home (visiting Israel , sampling beaches and swimming pools), so can't come up with the model number. Should be back in a week (all good things must come to an end). Let me know if you want it. -- Ron mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > Thanks for your insight. I know that metal tapes are supposed to be harder to erase > than others. Do you mind telling which bulk eraser you use? > > On Sat Apr 26 6:42 , Ron sent: > > >> An article published many years ago indicated that bulk erasing >> a tape before re-recording reduces noise by a couple of db. >> Not earthshaking, but worth it. I bulk erase before re-recording >> wherever possible. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> What is the collective wisdom on re-recording cassette tapes? Use a bulk eraser >>> first? Just let the erase head do its job? Don't reuse cassettes? I found some >>> > very > >>> nice Maxell MX and Sony SR metal tapes at a garage sale, and I'd like to record >>> over what's on them in the best way. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net >>> From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 27 21:46:27 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:46:27 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Reusing tapes Message-ID: I really never paid attention to bulk erasers, but with 600+ cassette tapes, I guess this is what I may need. Can anyone lead me to a website to a cheap bulk eraser?> From: notarbene at kvglabs.com> To: mrm12000 at cableone.net; naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reusing tapes> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:36:00 -0500> CC: > > Reusing tapes is fine. Bulk erasure, assuming a high-quality unit, is > better than erasing on the recorder itself because it reduces the > noise of the cassette back to its like-new blank condition. I use a > 1968-vintage 'Gibson Girl' countertop studio and broadcast quality > bulk tape eraser that can bring even 16-inch diameter, 2-inch > videotapes back to like-new noise levels. Out of curiosity, I once put > a cheap mechanical wristwatch on it and switched it on -- it wrecked > the watch's movement! A few years ago, I erased a hard drive on my > bulk eraser for security purposes. This is one powerful bulk eraser!> > Lesser quality bulk erasers, though, may only erase to the same noise > depth as the deck itself can, but at least that saves wear on the > deck. The better hand held models, like Nortronics or Geneva, can > erase a cassette tape better than the cassette deck can, but sometimes > only by 3 dB (depending on the cassette deck being compared).> > Also, bulk erasure will eliminate remnants of recording between the > tracks that can occur if the tape was made on a different brand deck > than what you own, especially if the tape was made on a mono cassette > recorder.> > On Apr 25, 2008, at 2:56 PM, mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote:> > > Hi All,> >> > What is the collective wisdom on re-recording cassette tapes? Use a > > bulk eraser> > first? Just let the erase head do its job? Don't reuse cassettes? I > > found some very> > nice Maxell MX and Sony SR metal tapes at a garage sale, and I'd > > like to record> > over what's on them in the best way.> >> > Thanks!> > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > =========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > =========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > =========> > -- Kermit Gray> notarbene at kvglabs.com> KVG Laboratories> Equipment to Make Your Music Better> 16371 Lake Point Drive> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA> Telephone: 913-422-0957> Skype ID: triodelicacy> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Back to work after baby–how do you know when you’re ready? http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/articleNW.aspx?cp-documentid=5797498&ocid=T067MSN40A0701A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andyprach at yahoo.com Sun Apr 27 22:14:35 2008 From: andyprach at yahoo.com (Andy.) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Hello... and a CR-5A Problem Message-ID: <785131.90533.qm@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello fellow Nak owners! I have a CR-2A and a DR-3 that I love so I went after a CR-5A on that famous auction site that was described as in excellent functioning condition. When I got the deck within few seconds the tape would stop and a short part of the tape would be exiting out of the shell. Seller sent me a idler tire and instructions. I put the new tire on, cleaned all surfaces the tire touches and put a pinhead drop of lite oil on the tire shaft. Now, the tape plays for more than a few seconds but stops around counter number 800. Never making it past 900. I've used numerous cassettes (all Maxell XL-II 90's) prerecorded and new. Any ideas or suggestions? I read thru the archives last night and this morning and didn't see this unique problem mentioned. Thanks! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Apr 27 23:53:29 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:53:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes In-Reply-To: <032E5588-57FE-494F-877A-6281F8BCE490@kvglabs.com> References: <2260.1209153383@cableone.net> <032E5588-57FE-494F-877A-6281F8BCE490@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <20080427215327.DDWC880.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Ah now if there ever were a case for bulk erasing, this would be it. >Also, bulk erasure will eliminate remnants of recording between the >tracks that can occur if the tape was made on a different brand deck >than what you own, especially if the tape was made on a mono cassette >recorder. > >On Apr 25, 2008, at 2:56 PM, mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > >>Hi All, >> >>What is the collective wisdom on re-recording cassette tapes? Use a >>bulk eraser >>first? Just let the erase head do its job? Don't reuse cassettes? I >>found some very >>nice Maxell MX and Sony SR metal tapes at a garage sale, and I'd >>like to record >>over what's on them in the best way. >> >>Thanks! From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Apr 27 23:58:49 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:58:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck In-Reply-To: <760601.36903.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <760601.36903.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080427215845.ZORY27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> and the eBay band played on as the USS Suckership sank... Okay, after two or three Report Item emails to eBay, I was basically told there was nothing they could do unless the owner of the Picture and Text Description complained. Huh? Yup, even after I explained to eBay that when someone opens a new account, steals the picture and text to another auction, it would most likely be a scam, eBay really didn't have an interest in pulling the auction. So, we have unscrupulous sellers and a lackadaisical profit driven company to muddle the path to a successful eBay auction. At 12:23 AM 4/26/2008, you wrote: >This is up again. I sent the report below to ebay. It's amazing >that the scam copies the text from the first one word for word and >ebay can't pick that up... > > >This auction # 250240101987 is using the second photo down from a > previous auction # 260216638989 and copies the description word for > word so is probably a scam. > >--- On Sat, 3/29/08, fripp_em wrote: > > > From: fripp_em > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Date: Saturday, March 29, 2008, 11:44 AM > > It's a scam. The picture is the second one down from > > this auction: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=260216638989 > > > > --- Mark Exstedt wrote: > > > > > > > > Anybody on the Naktalk list have one of these? It > > > sure is pretty and impressive, but beyond my price > > > range (for now). > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270222160879&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123 > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster > > Total Access for one month at no cost. > > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text4.com > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a better friend, newshound, and >know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it >now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fripp_em at yahoo.com Mon Apr 28 02:54:08 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck In-Reply-To: <20080427215845.ZORY27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <328308.47937.qm@web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yes, I got the same answer from ebay. Here it is: Thank you for writing eBay in regard to image and text theft. I reviewed your information about the possibility of image and text theft. At this time, I didn't find sufficient evidence to show that the member has violated any eBay policies. Please understand that in some situations members will allow others to use their images. It's also possible that the members acquired the photo from the same source or a source that we can't verify. If this is the case, eBay can't remove the listings. We will be able to take action only if the person who owns the image or text writes to us directly. If you feel strongly about this issue, I recommend that you contact the seller, informing him or her about your concerns and recommending that he or she contact eBay. Once we hear from the seller, we will then take the appropriate action. It is my pleasure to assist you. Thank you for choosing eBay. Sincerely, Leonora eBay Customer Support --- On Sun, 4/27/08, Roland wrote: > From: Roland > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck > To: fripp_em at yahoo.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Sunday, April 27, 2008, 2:58 PM > and the eBay band played on as the USS Suckership sank... > > Okay, after two or three Report Item emails to eBay, I was > basically > told there was nothing they could do unless the owner of > the Picture > and Text Description complained. Huh? Yup, even after I > explained > to eBay that when someone opens a new account, steals the > picture > and text to another auction, it would most likely be a > scam, eBay > really didn't have an interest in pulling the auction. > > > So, we have unscrupulous sellers and a lackadaisical profit > driven > company to muddle the path to a successful eBay auction. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From orders at pennysconstruction.com Mon Apr 28 04:45:52 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:45:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes References: <2260.1209153383@cableone.net> <032E5588-57FE-494F-877A-6281F8BCE490@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <51F7CA0E5F604219B71A677A53C5FE84@number2> This is very nice information. Thanks. Do you guys think we could have a little more discussion about this? What erasers work well? If you have good or bad experience with this idea? Because I have always thought that it was frowned upon. I have several hundred used tapes I don't want, so this would be useful info for me. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit Gray" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reusing tapes > Reusing tapes is fine. Bulk erasure, assuming a high-quality unit, is > better than erasing on the recorder itself because it reduces the noise > of the cassette back to its like-new blank condition. I use a > 1968-vintage "Gibson Girl" countertop studio and broadcast quality bulk > tape eraser that can bring even 16-inch diameter, 2-inch videotapes back > to like-new noise levels. Out of curiosity, I once put a cheap mechanical > wristwatch on it and switched it on -- it wrecked the watch's movement! A > few years ago, I erased a hard drive on my bulk eraser for security > purposes. This is one powerful bulk eraser! > > Lesser quality bulk erasers, though, may only erase to the same noise > depth as the deck itself can, but at least that saves wear on the deck. > The better hand held models, like Nortronics or Geneva, can erase a > cassette tape better than the cassette deck can, but sometimes only by 3 > dB (depending on the cassette deck being compared). > > Also, bulk erasure will eliminate remnants of recording between the > tracks that can occur if the tape was made on a different brand deck than > what you own, especially if the tape was made on a mono cassette > recorder. > > On Apr 25, 2008, at 2:56 PM, mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> What is the collective wisdom on re-recording cassette tapes? Use a bulk >> eraser >> first? Just let the erase head do its job? Don't reuse cassettes? I >> found some very >> nice Maxell MX and Sony SR metal tapes at a garage sale, and I'd like to >> record >> over what's on them in the best way. >> >> Thanks! >> ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Apr 28 06:53:07 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:53:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak-a-bration In-Reply-To: <8A292B87-5952-4F53-B9DF-2438260A70A3@kvglabs.com> References: <8A292B87-5952-4F53-B9DF-2438260A70A3@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: Hi my dear Buddy! Bravo that you have such highly courage to repair all your "Old Stuff"... this "Selfdoing" job will keep you free from any mentally illness!!. Really cute way for living longer...all my best & ultimate heart fully wishes! Peace, Alex! > From: notarbene at kvglabs.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:40:07 -0500> Subject: [naktalk] Nak-a-bration> > Hello All,> > I took this weekend off to catch up on equipment repairs because I'd > gotten down to only three low-end cassette decks running -- a Pioneer > CT-F7272, a Bang & Olufsen Beocord 2400 and an awful-sounding but nice- > looking SAE C3A. This is the equivalent of going deaf.> > Thanks to this group, especially Cyril, Dave, Bala and Wouter and > others; I now have the pleasure of listening to both of my Nakamichi > 550, the 500, the 680Zx, and two of my five 600 series machines.> > Next month I'll be taking one weekend off for repairs and hope to > finally repair two more 600 series (transport key mechanism jammed), > Rega Planar 3 (needs a power supply conditioner, a belt and a > different boxcar mounted), Revox B77-HS Mk. II. (defective rec/play > monitor switch), Revox B710 Mk. II. (broken power switch), Pioneer > CT-4141 (bad belt -- I'm fixing it merely for nostalgia because it was > my first stereo cassette deck), Bang & Olufsen Beocord 9000 (bad > belt), KVG Labs Type 60C "Feste" (bad filter caps, tone control and > volume control), and Heathkit W5M (bad coupling cap, broken fuse > holder, defective output tubes and weak rectifier). None of these > needs major repairs, as you see. The Revox B77 will take most of the > time because it has to be virtually dismantled to get at the defective > switch.> > But first things first, I had to get some Nakamichi decks running > before I worked on the other machines.> > -- Kermit Gray> notarbene at kvglabs.com> KVG Laboratories> Equipment to Make Your Music Better> 16371 Lake Point Drive> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA> Telephone: 913-422-0957> Skype ID: triodelicacy> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Locale=en-US?ocid=TAG_APRIL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Apr 28 09:56:07 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:56:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck In-Reply-To: <20080427215845.ZORY27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> References: <760601.36903.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080427215845.ZORY27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <48158317.4070809@xs4all.nl> Ebay doesn't really care. Every day listings appear that simply copied naks.com or vintagecassette.com content without mentioning the source of this content. Ebay makes it very hard to do something about this, but I will take these steps if i have time. Wouter Roland wrote: > and the eBay band played on as the USS Suckership sank... > > Okay, after two or three Report Item emails to eBay, I was basically > told there was nothing they could do unless the owner of the Picture > and Text Description complained. Huh? Yup, even after I explained to > eBay that when someone opens a new account, steals the picture and > text to another auction, it would most likely be a scam, eBay really > didn't have an interest in pulling the auction. > > > So, we have unscrupulous sellers and a lackadaisical profit driven > company to muddle the path to a successful eBay auction. > > > At 12:23 AM 4/26/2008, you wrote: >> This is up again. I sent the report below to ebay. It's amazing >> that the scam copies the text from the first one word for word and >> ebay can't pick that up... >> >> >This auction # 250240101987 is using the second photo down from a >> previous auction # 260216638989 and copies the description word for >> word so is probably a scam. >> >> --- On Sat, 3/29/08, fripp_em wrote: >> >> > From: fripp_em >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> > Date: Saturday, March 29, 2008, 11:44 AM >> > It's a scam. The picture is the second one down from >> > this auction: >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=260216638989 >> > >> > --- Mark Exstedt wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > Anybody on the Naktalk list have one of these? It >> > > sure is pretty and impressive, but beyond my price >> > > range (for now). >> > > >> > > >> > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270222160879&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123 >> >> > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > >> > >> > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Apr 28 14:16:33 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:16:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Hello... and a CR-5A Problem Message-ID: <042820081216.27.4815C0210006DFFD0000001B22155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hello, Andy - from another Andy! >From your description of the problem, it sounds like your CR-5A has an issue with its reel motor (the motor that actually drives the idler). NOTE: I am assuming that the pinch rollers are both clean and operate correctly, and that the capstan belt is the correct type and in good condition. The reel motor sounds like it has developed a "dead spot" on its commutator (the rotating internal contact). This could be due to wear, oxidation, or a buildup of carbon deposits. If the motor is excessively worn, replacement is necessary. But it might just be a bit dirty. I can send you (and anyone else who is interested) a series of photos, showing you how and where to spray DeOxit into the reel motor to clean it and restore operation. It's a simple procedure. Once again, I must point out that there is no guarantee that this will fix the problem. Let me know if you are interested. Best of Luck! *andy* From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 28 15:33:08 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:33:08 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Hello... and a CR-5A Problem Message-ID: <30822895.1209389588108.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Andy, My guess is a reel motor with a dead spot inhabits your CR-5. Try spraying DeOxit into the slots beside the 2 wire terminals. Quite often the motor will not respond to cleaning. Nice seller! tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: "Andy." >Sent: Apr 27, 2008 3:14 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Hello... and a CR-5A Problem > > Hello fellow Nak owners! I have a CR-2A and a DR-3 >that I love so I went after a CR-5A on that famous >auction site that was described as in excellent >functioning condition. When I got the deck within few >seconds the tape would stop and a short part of the >tape would be exiting out of the shell. Seller sent me >a idler tire and instructions. I put the new tire on, >cleaned all surfaces the tire touches and put a >pinhead drop of lite oil on the tire shaft. Now, the >tape plays for more than a few seconds but stops >around counter number 800. Never making it past 900. >I've used numerous cassettes (all Maxell XL-II 90's) >prerecorded and new. Any ideas or suggestions? I read >thru the archives last night and this morning and >didn't see this unique problem mentioned. Thanks! > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a better friend, newshound, and >know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Apr 28 15:49:57 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Reusing tapes In-Reply-To: <200804281002.m3SA16Sw019641@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <943474.90246.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Mike, I'm not sure what's out there now and available for bulk erasers. I have a big Radio Shack model. I follow the instructions carefully-most of the time it works very well. Type IV cassette tapes require a lot of circular passes-sometimes more than recommended. I've erased VHS tapes with it as well. I haven't used it on R2R tapes yet, but I see no problems with it other than removing the screws from metal reels (they might not be aluminum?). I bought a big, used TV a few yrs ago that was supposed to be "perfect", however, it had green color around the picture edges when I plugged it in. There is no degauss button, so I ventured a try with the bulk eraser-it worked perfectly. Kevin Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:45:52 -0500 From: "orders at pennysconstruction" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reusing tapes This is very nice information. Thanks. Do you guys think we could have a little more discussion about this? What erasers work well? If you have good or bad experience with this idea? Because I have always thought that it was frowned upon. I have several hundred used tapes I don't want, so this would be useful info for me. Thanks Mike ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mrm12000 at cableone.net Mon Apr 28 15:57:35 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:57:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ailing 700zxl Message-ID: <1370.1209391055@cableone.net> I was lucky enough to find a 700zxl at a local Goodwill. I paid $7.50 for it -- it was half-price day -- and it came with the manual and an NR-100 outboard Dolby C unit. Cosmetically it's 7.5 out of 10 -- a few scratches here and there. The deck plays fine, the mechanism is quiet, but there are issues with recording from an external source (I could make a 400Hz test tape with no issues): one channel is scratchy and cuts out periodically. Also, when calibrating, not all of the lights illuminate. Any educated guesses what might be happening here? Perhaps the dreaded "orange cap disease"? I am interested in having it fixed, but I can't pay thousands to do it. Thanks! ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon Apr 28 16:06:23 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:06:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck In-Reply-To: <48158317.4070809@xs4all.nl> References: <760601.36903.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080427215845.ZORY27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <48158317.4070809@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4815D9DF.4020604@marrscommunications.com> Hi Wouter, eBay is to the point they are more trouble than their worth. Between the eBay fees and PayPal fees, your cost is 15-18% of sales. I have not completed by research but Amazon.com's store pricing looks reasonable and the cost to sell is a flat 7%. I am thinking of trying them also. Fred M Wouter Heijke wrote: > Ebay doesn't really care. > Every day listings appear that simply copied naks.com or > vintagecassette.com content without mentioning the source of this > content. > Ebay makes it very hard to do something about this, but I will take > these steps if i have time. > > Wouter > > Roland wrote: > >> and the eBay band played on as the USS Suckership sank... >> >> Okay, after two or three Report Item emails to eBay, I was basically >> told there was nothing they could do unless the owner of the Picture >> and Text Description complained. Huh? Yup, even after I explained >> to eBay that when someone opens a new account, steals the picture >> and text to another auction, it would most likely be a scam, eBay >> really didn't have an interest in pulling the auction. >> >> >> So, we have unscrupulous sellers and a lackadaisical profit driven >> company to muddle the path to a successful eBay auction. >> >> >> At 12:23 AM 4/26/2008, you wrote: >> >>> This is up again. I sent the report below to ebay. It's amazing >>> that the scam copies the text from the first one word for word and >>> ebay can't pick that up... >>> >>> >This auction # 250240101987 is using the second photo down from a >>> previous auction # 260216638989 and copies the description word for >>> word so is probably a scam. >>> >>> --- On Sat, 3/29/08, fripp_em wrote: >>> >>> > From: fripp_em >>> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck >>> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> > Date: Saturday, March 29, 2008, 11:44 AM >>> > It's a scam. The picture is the second one down from >>> > this auction: >>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=260216638989 >>> > >>> > --- Mark Exstedt wrote: >>> > >>> > > >>> > > Anybody on the Naktalk list have one of these? It >>> > > sure is pretty and impressive, but beyond my price >>> > > range (for now). >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270222160879&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123 >>> >>> > > >>> > _________________________________________________________________ >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From willyherm at gmail.com Mon Apr 28 16:51:26 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:51:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Ailing 700zxl In-Reply-To: <1370.1209391055@cableone.net> References: <1370.1209391055@cableone.net> Message-ID: <4b6f92900804280751l3e35df8du40df269b57b79bda@mail.gmail.com> The luck of some people!! That's like finding the mint 1967 Vette under a tarp in your grandmother's barn! Problems could be dead orange cap syndrome or as simple as dirty contacts on the relays and stand-up boards on the right side of the machine. Give them all a good cleaning first. Willy On 4/28/08, mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > > I was lucky enough to find a 700zxl at a local Goodwill. I paid $7.50 for > it -- it > was half-price day -- and it came with the manual and an NR-100 outboard > Dolby C > unit. Cosmetically it's 7.5 out of 10 -- a few scratches here and there. > The deck > plays fine, the mechanism is quiet, but there are issues with recording > from an > external source (I could make a 400Hz test tape with no issues): one > channel is > scratchy and cuts out periodically. Also, when calibrating, not all of the > lights > illuminate. > > Any educated guesses what might be happening here? Perhaps the dreaded > "orange cap > disease"? I am interested in having it fixed, but I can't pay thousands to > do it. > > Thanks! > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobschneider8 at comcast.net Mon Apr 28 17:11:59 2008 From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net (Robert Schneider) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:11:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Ailing 700zxl In-Reply-To: <4b6f92900804280751l3e35df8du40df269b57b79bda@mail.gmail.com> References: <1370.1209391055@cableone.net> <4b6f92900804280751l3e35df8du40df269b57b79bda@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001801c8a942$3e506150$8274c50a@VANILLAWOD0VKD> Also make sure to use Deoxit on the switches. I had a similar problem on my 700 II - turned out to be a dirty source/monitor switch. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:51 AM To: mrm12000 at cableone.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Ailing 700zxl The luck of some people!! That's like finding the mint 1967 Vette under a tarp in your grandmother's barn! Problems could be dead orange cap syndrome or as simple as dirty contacts on the relays and stand-up boards on the right side of the machine. Give them all a good cleaning first. Willy On 4/28/08, mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: I was lucky enough to find a 700zxl at a local Goodwill. I paid $7.50 for it -- it was half-price day -- and it came with the manual and an NR-100 outboard Dolby C unit. Cosmetically it's 7.5 out of 10 -- a few scratches here and there. The deck plays fine, the mechanism is quiet, but there are issues with recording from an external source (I could make a 400Hz test tape with no issues): one channel is scratchy and cuts out periodically. Also, when calibrating, not all of the lights illuminate. Any educated guesses what might be happening here? Perhaps the dreaded "orange cap disease"? I am interested in having it fixed, but I can't pay thousands to do it. Thanks! ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 28 17:39:17 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:39:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Ailing 700zxl In-Reply-To: <1370.1209391055@cableone.net> Message-ID: <042820081539.2943.4815EFA40009A84C00000B7F22230704929B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Try recording without the outboard decoder. The popping a scratchy sound is very likely those fastidious caps. There is someone on fleabay who has a kit with all the supposed parts, Just need to find a reputable and experienced shop who can take on the task without breaking something unrelated. -------------- Original message from "mrm12000 at cableone.net" : -------------- > I was lucky enough to find a 700zxl at a local Goodwill. I paid $7.50 for it -- > it > was half-price day -- and it came with the manual and an NR-100 outboard Dolby C > unit. Cosmetically it's 7.5 out of 10 -- a few scratches here and there. The > deck > plays fine, the mechanism is quiet, but there are issues with recording from an > external source (I could make a 400Hz test tape with no issues): one channel is > scratchy and cuts out periodically. Also, when calibrating, not all of the > lights > illuminate. > > Any educated guesses what might be happening here? Perhaps the dreaded "orange > cap > disease"? I am interested in having it fixed, but I can't pay thousands to do > it. > > Thanks! > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk Mon Apr 28 17:41:22 2008 From: dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk (Dave Bowley) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:41:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Calibrating Mr-1 meters In-Reply-To: <6693.16205.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <200802231102.m1NB0Snj023157@zxe.naks.com> <6693.16205.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Would appreciate any advice from U experts. I acquired an old but gc MR-1 with LH mete that was 'intermittent'. Also acquired an old but [now] fully functioning Fluke 8060A DMM to aid my checking but Following advice from the forum earlier I am now trying to calibrate the meters measuring whilst inputting a 400Hz tone on the input 'jacks', measuring dbV from the output jack [with black to earth on the framework]. Meter responds totally corrrectly to the manual & has recently been calibrated BUT the reading that I get is -56 which means nothing to me. I was expecting to get something in the region of the -12dbv figure mentioned in the service manual [courtesy of Jeff W] but no adjustment of the input level gets me anywhere near. Am I just doing things incorrectly or does this suggest other issues - ?capacitors or ? After some messing with VR108/208 the meters do now both 'how' & move in unison but I want to fix the dewck properly if possible. Any assist appreciated Thanks Dave _________________________________________________________________ Bag extra points with the Walkers Brit Trip Game http://www.walkersbrittrips.co.uk/game -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fymido_lenito at yahoo.com Mon Apr 28 17:01:23 2008 From: fymido_lenito at yahoo.com (fymido lenito) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Problem recording on a 480 Message-ID: <3305.58505.qm@web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I recently acquired a 480 that plays fine but does not record. When I press Play after pressing Record/Pause, all the indicators light up but the motor does not run. Any advice on how to trouble shoot this? Also, is there a searchable archive of older Naktalk posts? It would be very convenient for looking up similar problems reported before. Thanks in advance. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrm12000 at cableone.net Mon Apr 28 18:25:05 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:25:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ailing 700zxl Message-ID: <3435.1209399905@cableone.net> >Try recording without the outboard decoder. Your message reminded me to try this. I had figured that the NR-100, with no moving parts, would likely work fine. Wrong! The recording problem appears to be with the NR-100. Both channels record fine without the outboard unit. Now I have to try cleaning those internal contacts and switches. Does anyone have experience with the NR-200? To my ears, Dolby C is much better than Dolby B. ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From garry at saundersfamily1.com Tue Apr 29 00:04:32 2008 From: garry at saundersfamily1.com (Garry Saunders) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:04:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Message-ID: <000001c8a97b$d899aa80$0200a8c0@GARRYESAUNDER> Hi everyone Could anyone give me some advice on how to change the belts on a cassette deck 1? Are there any deck 1 owners out there or am I alone? My previous post got no replies. Was it something I said lol? Garry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Apr 29 07:06:57 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:06:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes In-Reply-To: <51F7CA0E5F604219B71A677A53C5FE84@number2> References: <2260.1209153383@cableone.net> <032E5588-57FE-494F-877A-6281F8BCE490@kvglabs.com> <51F7CA0E5F604219B71A677A53C5FE84@number2> Message-ID: Well, my experience bulk erasing is from my work in pro audio. We always bulk erased tapes before reuse so that they were as "clean" magnetically as they were when new. This way the only factor was mechanical wear, determined by dropouts. So, 2-inch and smaller audio reel-to-reel tapes could therefore be reused up to about fifty times, cassettes about one hundred times, broadcast carts about one hundred times (then the cart was rebuilt), 1-inch and U-Matic video tapes about thirty times, and 2-inch (so-called "quadraplex") videotapes only about a dozen times. Those huge Ampex 2-inch VTRs were brutal on tapes! Usually, the procedure is to keep a count of how many times a tape was reused by putting a pencil dot for each reuse on its label. The bulk erasers we use are large countertop models, like my Gibson Girl, and it is strong enough for metal tapes as well as older formulations. Yes, Gibson Girl really is a brand name. I also have an old Robins that is good for cassettes and 1/4-inch reel-to-reel; these often show up on eBay. The handheld RadioShack, Realistic, Nortronics, and Benjamin units are acceptable, but not as good as true studio models: Robins, Gibson Girl, Fidelitone, Cinerama, Nagra, ITC, Gates, AudioLab, Weircliffe, Verity, Garner, TecNec TD3000, Geneva (Model PF-250 or PF-252 only). By the way, the Geneva models won't erase 8mm or DLT tapes so I'd be skeptical about its ability to erase metal cassettes. Look for a bulk eraser developing 3,000 Gauss or greater. If all you'll be doing is cassettes, you can get by with 2,500 Gauss, but I really think 3,000 Gauss is the minimum. My Gibson Girl bulk eraser is 5,000 Gauss. Note though that Gauss field strength isn't the only thing to consider, how the field is focused is as important. The 3,000 Gauss models made by Geneva won't erase DLT, but my old 2,000 Gauss- strong Robins will erase a DLT (barely, but it still will erase it)! Honestly I think the Realistic and RadioShack models are garbage, Benjamin makes a few decent models, and Geneva is good but I think they are a bit overpriced new, but you can find them used at a good price. I'd avoid handheld bulk erasers entirely, even Verity's; handhelds are usually marginal quality. Bulk erasing tapes has been standard operating procedure industry-wide since the introduction of magnetic tape recorders. Bulk erasing does not hurt the tapes, and there is no such thing as a bulk eraser that is "too strong." Did you know that the final step in manufacturing blank tape before it is packaged is to bulk erase it on powerful table-sized automatic bulk erasers? When I toured the 3M "Scotch" magnetic recording tape factory in 1978, located in St. Paul, Minnesota if I recall correctly, I was astonished to find this out. Those huge erasers made quite a racket! A bulk tape eraser completely erases all audio, video and data signals from the tape. Merely re-recording magnetic media does not completely erase the signal. Only a bulk tape eraser can remove 100% of the signal, so degaussing magnetic tapes on a regular basis allows you to recycle your old tapes in a quick and effective manner. The widespread use of magnetic tape since the 1940s in the broadcast and recording industries has resulted in professionals striving to achieve higher quality and efficiency, while at the same time improving cost efficiency. Bulk erasing magnetic tapes using "deep erasure" created by powerful magnetic fields, means that previously-recorded signals can be eliminated completely from tapes, cassettes or cartridges. The resultant benefits are substantial: professional users of audio and video tapes achieve better yields and increased quality. Digital tape recordists (RDAT, ADAT, DASH, etc.) enjoy higher efficiency from considerably reduced error rates. Professional users improve their competitiveness by incorporating bulk erasure and reused tapes in their workflow. Professionals achieve considerable cost savings by being able to confidently reuse tapes that would otherwise have to be discarded because of quality or reliability issues. By the way you MUST bulk erase a digital tape before reuse if you want to get a reliable recording, especially RDAT and ADAT. Bulk erasure ensures that all the data and time code is gone. Bulk erasing eliminates mysterious pops and ticks that often plague RDAT, and are often mistaken as dropouts. When I bought my bulk eraser in 1976, Gibson Girl was one of the highest-end brands. Today, I'd recommend Verity, Audiolab or the TecNec TD3000. On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 PM, orders at pennysconstruction wrote: > This is very nice information. Thanks. > Do you guys think we could have a little more discussion about this? > What erasers work well? If you have good or bad experience with this > idea? Because I have always thought that it was frowned upon. I have > several hundred used tapes I don't want, so this would be useful > info for me. > Thanks Mike >> -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Apr 28 21:25:04 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:25:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ailing 700zxl Message-ID: > The luck of some people!! That's like finding the mint 1967 Vette > under a > tarp in your grandmother's barn! > > Problems could be dead orange cap syndrome or as simple as dirty > contacts on > the relays and stand-up boards on the right side of the machine. > Give them > all a good cleaning first. Yeah, I just live in the wrong area of the country. I'll trade you for the Yorx, Magnavox, etc. I find. I think low-end Sony is the high end around here.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 29 01:17:07 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Ailing 700zxl In-Reply-To: <3435.1209399905@cableone.net> Message-ID: <262556.20722.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Your experience is not an isloated one. These N 100 units are approaching 25-28 years age and the capacitors in the dolby C circuits inside them do flake off. I have had that happen to 3/3 units I bought on ebay! In the ZXL decks, there is another issue with the relay which switches the ext NR . Check your relay too! Ben had experimented with one such replacement a month or so ago. Regards and good luck. Ram "mrm12000 at cableone.net" wrote: >Try recording without the outboard decoder. Your message reminded me to try this. I had figured that the NR-100, with no moving parts, would likely work fine. Wrong! The recording problem appears to be with the NR-100. Both channels record fine without the outboard unit. Now I have to try cleaning those internal contacts and switches. Does anyone have experience with the NR-200? To my ears, Dolby C is much better than Dolby B. ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 29 08:09:10 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:09:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck In-Reply-To: <20080427215845.ZORY27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> References: <760601.36903.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080427215845.ZORY27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <4816BB86.9080600@rcn.com> Roland wrote: > and the eBay band played on as the USS Suckership sank... > > [......] > So, we have unscrupulous sellers and a lackadaisical profit driven > company to muddle the path to a successful €eBay auction. "lackadaisical profit driven company"???? So, that's what we call it now? -- Ron > At 12:23 AM 4/26/2008, you wrote: >> This is up again. I sent the report below to ebay. It's amazing that >> the scam copies the text from the first one word for word and ebay >> can't pick that up... >> >> >This auction # 250240101987 is using the second photo down from a >> previous auction # 260216638989 and copies the description word for >> word so is probably a scam. >> >> --- On Sat, 3/29/08, fripp_em wrote: >> >> > From: fripp_em >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck >> > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> > Date: Saturday, March 29, 2008, 11:44 AM >> > It's a scam. The picture is the second one down from >> > this auction: >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=260216638989 >> > >> > --- Mark Exstedt wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > Anybody on the Naktalk list have one of these? It >> > > sure is pretty and impressive, but beyond my price >> > > range (for now). >> > > >> > > >> > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270222160879&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123 From pharmboy at cruzio.com Tue Apr 29 09:38:06 2008 From: pharmboy at cruzio.com (Pharmboy) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:38:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] New Factory sealed Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA-X In-Reply-To: <200804281002.m3SA16Sw019641@zxe.naks.com> References: <200804281002.m3SA16Sw019641@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20080429072851.M91274@cruzio.com> I'm still clearing out old stock of tapes. The following are new left over stock of MAxell XLII-S and TDK SA-X cassettes tapes. Stored in a smoke free, climate and humidity controlled environment. Tapes are made in Japan! 6 x TDK SA-X 100 min high bias tape - $5 each or 6 for $25 6 x Maxell XL II-S 100 min high bias - $4 each or 6 for $22 4 x Maxell XLII 90 min high bias - $1 each or 4 for $3 5 x Maxell XL II-S 90 min high bias - $4 or 5 for $18 Or the Whole lot for $60 Also have about 10 used  metals remaining at $5 each Metals are MA, MX, ES, SR, and That's And about 200 used Maxell XLII-S 90min at $2 each or better for a large lot. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Apr 29 12:06:50 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:06:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes In-Reply-To: References: <2260.1209153383@cableone.net> <032E5588-57FE-494F-877A-6281F8BCE490@kvglabs.com> <51F7CA0E5F604219B71A677A53C5FE84@number2> Message-ID: Hi Kermit & all of you together! I own from my passed away daddy his Akai bulk eraser...it's fine for me, but I think that Metal ones cassette will NOT do the job 100% completly!. Was the eraser that he use for his R to R tapes!. Peace,ALEX! > From: notarbene at kvglabs.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reusing tapes> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:06:57 -0500> > Well, my experience bulk erasing is from my work in pro audio. We > always bulk erased tapes before reuse so that they were as "clean" > magnetically as they were when new. This way the only factor was > mechanical wear, determined by dropouts. So, 2-inch and smaller audio > reel-to-reel tapes could therefore be reused up to about fifty times, > cassettes about one hundred times, broadcast carts about one hundred > times (then the cart was rebuilt), 1-inch and U-Matic video tapes > about thirty times, and 2-inch (so-called "quadraplex") videotapes > only about a dozen times. Those huge Ampex 2-inch VTRs were brutal on > tapes! Usually, the procedure is to keep a count of how many times a > tape was reused by putting a pencil dot for each reuse on its label.> > The bulk erasers we use are large countertop models, like my Gibson > Girl, and it is strong enough for metal tapes as well as older > formulations. Yes, Gibson Girl really is a brand name. I also have an > old Robins that is good for cassettes and 1/4-inch reel-to-reel; these > often show up on eBay. The handheld RadioShack, Realistic, Nortronics, > and Benjamin units are acceptable, but not as good as true studio > models: Robins, Gibson Girl, Fidelitone, Cinerama, Nagra, ITC, Gates, > AudioLab, Weircliffe, Verity, Garner, TecNec TD3000, Geneva (Model > PF-250 or PF-252 only). By the way, the Geneva models won't erase 8mm > or DLT tapes so I'd be skeptical about its ability to erase metal > cassettes.> > Look for a bulk eraser developing 3,000 Gauss or greater. If all > you'll be doing is cassettes, you can get by with 2,500 Gauss, but I > really think 3,000 Gauss is the minimum. My Gibson Girl bulk eraser is > 5,000 Gauss. Note though that Gauss field strength isn't the only > thing to consider, how the field is focused is as important. The 3,000 > Gauss models made by Geneva won't erase DLT, but my old 2,000 Gauss- > strong Robins will erase a DLT (barely, but it still will erase it)! > Honestly I think the Realistic and RadioShack models are garbage, > Benjamin makes a few decent models, and Geneva is good but I think > they are a bit overpriced new, but you can find them used at a good > price. I'd avoid handheld bulk erasers entirely, even Verity's; > handhelds are usually marginal quality.> > Bulk erasing tapes has been standard operating procedure industry-wide > since the introduction of magnetic tape recorders. Bulk erasing does > not hurt the tapes, and there is no such thing as a bulk eraser that > is "too strong."> > Did you know that the final step in manufacturing blank tape before it > is packaged is to bulk erase it on powerful table-sized automatic bulk > erasers? When I toured the 3M "Scotch" magnetic recording tape > factory in 1978, located in St. Paul, Minnesota if I recall correctly, > I was astonished to find this out. Those huge erasers made quite a > racket!> > A bulk tape eraser completely erases all audio, video and data signals > from the tape. Merely re-recording magnetic media does not completely > erase the signal. Only a bulk tape eraser can remove 100% of the > signal, so degaussing magnetic tapes on a regular basis allows you to > recycle your old tapes in a quick and effective manner. The widespread > use of magnetic tape since the 1940s in the broadcast and recording > industries has resulted in professionals striving to achieve higher > quality and efficiency, while at the same time improving cost > efficiency. Bulk erasing magnetic tapes using "deep erasure" created > by powerful magnetic fields, means that previously-recorded signals > can be eliminated completely from tapes, cassettes or cartridges. The > resultant benefits are substantial: professional users of audio and > video tapes achieve better yields and increased quality. Digital tape > recordists (RDAT, ADAT, DASH, etc.) enjoy higher efficiency from > considerably reduced error rates. Professional users improve their > competitiveness by incorporating bulk erasure and reused tapes in > their workflow. Professionals achieve considerable cost savings by > being able to confidently reuse tapes that would otherwise have to be > discarded because of quality or reliability issues.> > By the way you MUST bulk erase a digital tape before reuse if you want > to get a reliable recording, especially RDAT and ADAT. Bulk erasure > ensures that all the data and time code is gone. Bulk erasing > eliminates mysterious pops and ticks that often plague RDAT, and are > often mistaken as dropouts.> > When I bought my bulk eraser in 1976, Gibson Girl was one of the > highest-end brands. Today, I'd recommend Verity, Audiolab or the > TecNec TD3000.> > On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 PM, orders at pennysconstruction wrote:> > > This is very nice information. Thanks.> > Do you guys think we could have a little more discussion about this? > > What erasers work well? If you have good or bad experience with this > > idea? Because I have always thought that it was frowned upon. I have > > several hundred used tapes I don't want, so this would be useful > > info for me.> > Thanks Mike> >>> > > -- Kermit Gray> notarbene at kvglabs.com> KVG Laboratories> Equipment to Make Your Music Better> 16371 Lake Point Drive> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA> Telephone: 913-422-0957> Skype ID: triodelicacy> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ In a rush? 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Thanks, Ray From jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk Tue Apr 29 12:15:35 2008 From: jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk (Jason Stephens) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:15:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 References: <000001c8a97b$d899aa80$0200a8c0@GARRYESAUNDER> Message-ID: <004501c8a9e2$5ab45590$89464354@jasona028a1a62> MessageHi Garry, I've emailed a .pdf of the Cassette Deck 1 Service Manual to your email address. Sorry but I can't offer any advice on the procedure as I've never had to do it. Good luck! Best regards, Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: Garry Saunders To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 11:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Hi everyone Could anyone give me some advice on how to change the belts on a cassette deck 1? Are there any deck 1 owners out there or am I alone? My previous post got no replies. Was it something I said lol? 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My deck had a loose capstan belt which needed replacing so I posted on NakTalk and a very fine gentleman Andy helped me out. Following is what he told me to do in his own words: "You can access the capstan flywheels to replace the belt by removing the large metal backing plate on the rear of the transport. Careful! Before you can remove this backing plate, you have to move the playback amp circuit board out of the way. The playback amp circuit board is attached to the backing plate with a single screw at the bottom. The top of the playback amp circuit board is held in place by tabs which are inserted into slots on the large backing plate. I think the backing plate itself is held in place by 3 or 4 screws (not sure offhand). NOTE: The capstan motor is attached to the backing plate. You will not need to take the capstan motor off of the plate. Remove the 3 or 4 screws that anchor the backing plate, and it should fall off fairly easily, exposing the capstan flywheels. Then it should be fairly easy to install the new belt. One more thing I would do, as added insurance, is to lubricate the capstan shafts with sewing machine oil. Put the deck on its back, so that the face of the deck is toward the ceiling. Open the cassette door, and squirt a bit of oil onto a toothpick. Use the toothpick to precisely place the oil at the base of each capstan, right where it sticks out of the back wall of the cassette compartment. Keep the deck on its back for the next several minutes as the oil works its way down inside the capstan holes. Carefully wipe away any excess oil which might be on the exposed portion of the capstans. This should loosen things up nicely. Good Luck! *andy*" Hope it helps. Best regards Nadeem _________________________________________________________________ Play the Andrex Hello Softie Game & win great prizes http://www.thehellosoftiegame.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 29 15:43:10 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <603561.69328.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kermit, Comprehensive indeed. Nice reading the entire narrative. Regards Ram Kermit Gray wrote: Well, my experience bulk erasing is from my work in pro audio. We always bulk erased tapes before reuse so that they were as "clean" magnetically as they were when new. This way the only factor was mechanical wear, determined by dropouts. So, 2-inch and smaller audio reel-to-reel tapes could therefore be reused up to about fifty times, cassettes about one hundred times, broadcast carts about one hundred times (then the cart was rebuilt), 1-inch and U-Matic video tapes about thirty times, and 2-inch (so-called "quadraplex") videotapes only about a dozen times. Those huge Ampex 2-inch VTRs were brutal on tapes! Usually, the procedure is to keep a count of how many times a tape was reused by putting a pencil dot for each reuse on its label. The bulk erasers we use are large countertop models, like my Gibson Girl, and it is strong enough for metal tapes as well as older formulations. Yes, Gibson Girl really is a brand name. I also have an old Robins that is good for cassettes and 1/4-inch reel-to-reel; these often show up on eBay. The handheld RadioShack, Realistic, Nortronics, and Benjamin units are acceptable, but not as good as true studio models: Robins, Gibson Girl, Fidelitone, Cinerama, Nagra, ITC, Gates, AudioLab, Weircliffe, Verity, Garner, TecNec TD3000, Geneva (Model PF-250 or PF-252 only). By the way, the Geneva models won't erase 8mm or DLT tapes so I'd be skeptical about its ability to erase metal cassettes. Look for a bulk eraser developing 3,000 Gauss or greater. If all you'll be doing is cassettes, you can get by with 2,500 Gauss, but I really think 3,000 Gauss is the minimum. My Gibson Girl bulk eraser is 5,000 Gauss. Note though that Gauss field strength isn't the only thing to consider, how the field is focused is as important. The 3,000 Gauss models made by Geneva won't erase DLT, but my old 2,000 Gauss- strong Robins will erase a DLT (barely, but it still will erase it)! Honestly I think the Realistic and RadioShack models are garbage, Benjamin makes a few decent models, and Geneva is good but I think they are a bit overpriced new, but you can find them used at a good price. I'd avoid handheld bulk erasers entirely, even Verity's; handhelds are usually marginal quality. Bulk erasing tapes has been standard operating procedure industry-wide since the introduction of magnetic tape recorders. Bulk erasing does not hurt the tapes, and there is no such thing as a bulk eraser that is "too strong." Did you know that the final step in manufacturing blank tape before it is packaged is to bulk erase it on powerful table-sized automatic bulk erasers? When I toured the 3M "Scotch" magnetic recording tape factory in 1978, located in St. Paul, Minnesota if I recall correctly, I was astonished to find this out. Those huge erasers made quite a racket! A bulk tape eraser completely erases all audio, video and data signals from the tape. Merely re-recording magnetic media does not completely erase the signal. Only a bulk tape eraser can remove 100% of the signal, so degaussing magnetic tapes on a regular basis allows you to recycle your old tapes in a quick and effective manner. The widespread use of magnetic tape since the 1940s in the broadcast and recording industries has resulted in professionals striving to achieve higher quality and efficiency, while at the same time improving cost efficiency. Bulk erasing magnetic tapes using "deep erasure" created by powerful magnetic fields, means that previously-recorded signals can be eliminated completely from tapes, cassettes or cartridges. The resultant benefits are substantial: professional users of audio and video tapes achieve better yields and increased quality. Digital tape recordists (RDAT, ADAT, DASH, etc.) enjoy higher efficiency from considerably reduced error rates. Professional users improve their competitiveness by incorporating bulk erasure and reused tapes in their workflow. Professionals achieve considerable cost savings by being able to confidently reuse tapes that would otherwise have to be discarded because of quality or reliability issues. By the way you MUST bulk erase a digital tape before reuse if you want to get a reliable recording, especially RDAT and ADAT. Bulk erasure ensures that all the data and time code is gone. Bulk erasing eliminates mysterious pops and ticks that often plague RDAT, and are often mistaken as dropouts. When I bought my bulk eraser in 1976, Gibson Girl was one of the highest-end brands. Today, I'd recommend Verity, Audiolab or the TecNec TD3000. On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 PM, orders at pennysconstruction wrote: > This is very nice information. Thanks. > Do you guys think we could have a little more discussion about this? > What erasers work well? If you have good or bad experience with this > idea? Because I have always thought that it was frowned upon. I have > several hundred used tapes I don't want, so this would be useful > info for me. > Thanks Mike >> -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrm12000 at cableone.net Tue Apr 29 16:56:17 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:56:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes Message-ID: <2078.1209480977@cableone.net> Thank you for all of the useful information on bulk erasing. One of the issues with buying a used unit off eBay, for instance, is not knowing the strength of what you're buying (unless it's printed on the unit). Also, I would think that many older units are pre-metal-tape and wouldn't be be strong enough to erase them completely. This Geneva unit is 2800 gauss, and it is supposedly suitable for metal tapes: http://www.datalinksales.com/cgi-bin/shop/datstore.cgi? user_action=detail&catalogno=PF-215 Regarding the Radio Shack models, one is supposedly suitable for erasing metal tapes, but the directions say you have to make 20 passes on each side! On Tue Apr 29 5:06 , Kermit Gray sent: >Well, my experience bulk erasing is from my work in pro audio. We >always bulk erased tapes before reuse so that they were as "clean" >magnetically as they were when new. This way the only factor was >mechanical wear, determined by dropouts. So, 2-inch and smaller audio >reel-to-reel tapes could therefore be reused up to about fifty times, >cassettes about one hundred times, broadcast carts about one hundred >times (then the cart was rebuilt), 1-inch and U-Matic video tapes >about thirty times, and 2-inch (so-called "quadraplex") videotapes >only about a dozen times. Those huge Ampex 2-inch VTRs were brutal on >tapes! Usually, the procedure is to keep a count of how many times a >tape was reused by putting a pencil dot for each reuse on its label. > >The bulk erasers we use are large countertop models, like my Gibson >Girl, and it is strong enough for metal tapes as well as older >formulations. Yes, Gibson Girl really is a brand name. I also have an >old Robins that is good for cassettes and 1/4-inch reel-to-reel; these >often show up on eBay. The handheld RadioShack, Realistic, Nortronics, >and Benjamin units are acceptable, but not as good as true studio >models: Robins, Gibson Girl, Fidelitone, Cinerama, Nagra, ITC, Gates, >AudioLab, Weircliffe, Verity, Garner, TecNec TD3000, Geneva (Model >PF-250 or PF-252 only). By the way, the Geneva models won't erase 8mm >or DLT tapes so I'd be skeptical about its ability to erase metal >cassettes. > >Look for a bulk eraser developing 3,000 Gauss or greater. If all >you'll be doing is cassettes, you can get by with 2,500 Gauss, but I >really think 3,000 Gauss is the minimum. My Gibson Girl bulk eraser is >5,000 Gauss. Note though that Gauss field strength isn't the only >thing to consider, how the field is focused is as important. The 3,000 >Gauss models made by Geneva won't erase DLT, but my old 2,000 Gauss- >strong Robins will erase a DLT (barely, but it still will erase it)! >Honestly I think the Realistic and RadioShack models are garbage, >Benjamin makes a few decent models, and Geneva is good but I think >they are a bit overpriced new, but you can find them used at a good >price. I'd avoid handheld bulk erasers entirely, even Verity's; >handhelds are usually marginal quality. > >Bulk erasing tapes has been standard operating procedure industry-wide >since the introduction of magnetic tape recorders. Bulk erasing does >not hurt the tapes, and there is no such thing as a bulk eraser that >is "too strong." > >Did you know that the final step in manufacturing blank tape before it >is packaged is to bulk erase it on powerful table-sized automatic bulk >erasers? When I toured the 3M "Scotch" magnetic recording tape >factory in 1978, located in St. Paul, Minnesota if I recall correctly, >I was astonished to find this out. Those huge erasers made quite a >racket! > >A bulk tape eraser completely erases all audio, video and data signals >from the tape. Merely re-recording magnetic media does not completely >erase the signal. Only a bulk tape eraser can remove 100% of the >signal, so degaussing magnetic tapes on a regular basis allows you to >recycle your old tapes in a quick and effective manner. The widespread >use of magnetic tape since the 1940s in the broadcast and recording >industries has resulted in professionals striving to achieve higher >quality and efficiency, while at the same time improving cost >efficiency. Bulk erasing magnetic tapes using "deep erasure" created >by powerful magnetic fields, means that previously-recorded signals >can be eliminated completely from tapes, cassettes or cartridges. The >resultant benefits are substantial: professional users of audio and >video tapes achieve better yields and increased quality. Digital tape >recordists (RDAT, ADAT, DASH, etc.) enjoy higher efficiency from >considerably reduced error rates. Professional users improve their >competitiveness by incorporating bulk erasure and reused tapes in >their workflow. Professionals achieve considerable cost savings by >being able to confidently reuse tapes that would otherwise have to be >discarded because of quality or reliability issues. > >By the way you MUST bulk erase a digital tape before reuse if you want >to get a reliable recording, especially RDAT and ADAT. Bulk erasure >ensures that all the data and time code is gone. Bulk erasing >eliminates mysterious pops and ticks that often plague RDAT, and are >often mistaken as dropouts. > >When I bought my bulk eraser in 1976, Gibson Girl was one of the >highest-end brands. Today, I'd recommend Verity, Audiolab or the >TecNec TD3000. > >On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 PM, orders at pennysconstruction wrote: > >> This is very nice information. Thanks. >> Do you guys think we could have a little more discussion about this? >> What erasers work well? If you have good or bad experience with this >> idea? Because I have always thought that it was frowned upon. I have >> several hundred used tapes I don't want, so this would be useful >> info for me. >> Thanks Mike >>> > > >-- Kermit Gray >notarbene at kvglabs.com >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to Make Your Music Better >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >Telephone: 913-422-0957 >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 29 17:34:49 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:34:49 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Problem recording on a 480 Message-ID: <27805626.1209483289253.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pacific Daylight Time, garry at saundersfamily1.com writes: Hi everyone Could anyone give me some advice on how to change the belts on a cassette deck 1? Are there any deck 1 owners out there or am I alone? My previous post got no replies. Was it something I said lol? Garry Hi Garry, Since no one else wanted to say anything, let me have a shot at it. 1. Get the service manual, here's one place - _http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/-N-.htm_ (http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/-N-.htm) 2. Pull the transport. I think on the Cassette Deck 1 it's 2 brass colored screws on the bottom and one on the top. Take note of how the wires are bundled. Even take a picture of the bundles if it's your first time doing it. 3. Unscrew the mounting plate behind the motor in the back of the transport. If you simply remove the screws, you don't have to dismantle the transport any further. That will allow you enough access to change the belt. 4. You should also change the tape tension belt. This is located behind the cover plate at the front of the transport next to the gears of the idler mechanism connected to reel motor. 5. Reassemble. 6. Make sure you don't have any screws left over - haha all the best Jeff W **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luvverboy_2008 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 29 21:37:38 2008 From: luvverboy_2008 at yahoo.com (James Green) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette deck 2 question Message-ID: <614386.32319.qm@web45904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I've just bought a Cassette deck 2 in good working order for $65.00. Is that a good deal? Does this deck have any problems or weaknesses I should be aware of? Thanks for any knowlege you Naksters can give me. I've wanted one for years and will probably upgrade eventually, know this isn't that great a Nak, but better than none right! --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Apr 29 22:21:44 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:21:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Erasers In-Reply-To: <042920081016.19380.4816F5760001A4FB00004BB42215575474CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> References: <042920081016.19380.4816F5760001A4FB00004BB42215575474CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8DFEEAB6-DE6A-4F58-9B3F-6F58BC690A5D@kvglabs.com> It's good. It's a rebadged Nortronics, and I think it produces about 2,300 Gauss; similar to the tabletop Robins units of the same period. . On Apr 29, 2008, at 5:16 AM, rayr0683 at comcast.net wrote: > Hello, > Has anyone ever used the large TEAC model Tape eraser? Its a > Tabletop, with a Spindle sticking up for the center of a Reel to > Reel tape. How would you rate this one? > > Thanks, Ray > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Apr 29 22:30:51 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:30:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes In-Reply-To: <2078.1209480977@cableone.net> References: <2078.1209480977@cableone.net> Message-ID: n Apr 29, 2008, at 9:56 AM, mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > Thank you for all of the useful information on bulk erasing. One of > the issues with > buying a used unit off eBay, for instance, is not knowing the > strength of what > you're buying (unless it's printed on the unit). Also, I would think > that many > older units are pre-metal-tape and wouldn't be be strong enough to > erase them > completely. Yes, that is a consideration. I'd expect that most old desktop/ tabletop studio and broadcast units should be able to. If it can erase 2-inch tape it will erase metal tapes. My very old Gibson girl (ca. 1968) and the lesser quality tabletop Robins (ca. 1972) I have will erase metal cassettes in one pass. The Gibson Girl (which is a rebadged Fidelipac) will erase 2-inch quadraplex. My Robins cannot erase 2-inch audio tapes but it will erase U-Matic. But I doubt any pre-metal cassette handheld eraser would succeed with metal cassettes. > This Geneva unit is 2800 gauss, and it is supposedly suitable for > metal tapes: > > http://www.datalinksales.com/cgi-bin/shop/datstore.cgi? > user_action=detail&catalogno=PF-215 Yes, that will do metal cassettes. I recommend the Geneva PF-215, PF-250 and PF-252. > > > Regarding the Radio Shack models, one is supposedly suitable for > erasing metal > tapes, but the directions say you have to make 20 passes on each side! > Oh, I'm laughing myself hoarse. Yes, even if you use a weak eraser you can still erase a metal cassette tape -- if you run it past the eraser 20 or more times. Point proved to my satisfaction: RadioShaft units are rubbish. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Apr 29 23:35:06 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:35:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Never take your Nak on a date In-Reply-To: <433162.78273.bm@omp202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <433162.78273.bm@omp202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Chris, You are blessed to have an analog-compatible woman in your life. Try putting ferrite beads on the Arcam's inputs and speaker terminals. This often helps. Also, find a good cold-water-pipe ground (earth) if possible. I need a good CD player. I quickly weary of listening to my NAD C540, but with a ART DI/O it is good for most CDs, just not the releases from high-end labels like Waterlily or Telarc. I had a Nakamichi CD player but it was a wreck and I traded it to a friend for a Shure SM54. On Apr 23, 2008, at 6:00 AM, cjlovesjazz wrote: > Kermit > > This made me laugh so much. I have found a "life partner" and she > can just about tolerate my hi-fi obsession - just about. She can > also just about tolerate my approach to getting my hi-fi "right". > > I have an Arcam amplifier that is very prone to picking up RFI. It > drives me nuts! > I have an Arcam CD player that has a poor display, has already > stripped one transport loading gear (yes the famous CDM9 transport), > and the tray overruns when it opens. Very annoying so I keep > another CD player for the day that this strips the spare gear I've > bought. > I have two BX-300E's which both need work - I also just bought a > Yamaha KX-580 on eBay in case the impulse to sell the Naks gets too > strong. > > I have to agree with bosshoss/andy: things that are worthwhile are > never easy. Thank God we've got a community here to remind us of > that because I've just started to think about how much my stuff > would fetch on eBay and how cute a little TEAC micro-system would > look in my hi-cabinet. > > Chris > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Apr 29 01:22:11 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:22:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ailing 700zxl Message-ID: <2B488D47-7BCE-403B-9A9D-FDABEC4F821B@alumni.caltech.edu> > Your message reminded me to try this. I had figured that the > NR-100, with no moving > parts, would likely work fine. Wrong! The recording problem appears > to be with the > NR-100. Both channels record fine without the outboard unit. Now I > have to try > cleaning those internal contacts and switches. > It's probably still not the NR1. It's probably the relay contacts and/ or the relays themselves. To test, hook jumper cables in in places of the NR100, try to record as if you were using the NR100: obviously you don't get noise reduction, but you will probably have the same issues as using the NR100 in terms of static. If that is the case it could also be the jacks that go to the external NR unit (i.e. the NR100), but that is less likely (although easy enough to work on you should check out).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Apr 29 22:18:50 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:18:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck In-Reply-To: <4816BB86.9080600@rcn.com> References: <760601.36903.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080427215845.ZORY27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <4816BB86.9080600@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20080429201845.JKTS13948.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> At 02:09 AM 4/29/2008, you wrote: >Roland wrote: >>and the eBay band played on as the USS Suckership sank... >> >>[......] >>So, we have unscrupulous sellers and a >>lackadaisical profit driven company to muddle >>the path to a successful €eBay auction. >"lackadaisical profit driven company"???? >So, that's what we call it now? > >-- Ron > That's what I call them now. They don't care how they make their money, just as long as they do make money and beware of your fingers if you try to interrupt their process. Other than body parts and selling your used Microsoft software, it's not that easy to have an auction removed with a lesser infraction of their rules. From jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk Tue Apr 29 22:41:26 2008 From: jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk (Jason Stephens) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:41:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 References: <042920080510.190.4816ADDA00072056000000BE22243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <001801c8aa39$66997550$2a4bf25a@jasona028a1a62> Hi Garry, I've emailed you the service manual for the Cassette Deck 1. Have you received it? (Check you spam box). Regards, Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 It's a brootherhood, not unlike Le Society of Master Chefs. Very few are willing to give up ingredient lists of their "most secret recipies"....lol -------------- Original message from "Garry Saunders" : -------------- Hi everyone Could anyone give me some advice on how to change the belts on a cassette deck 1? Are there any deck 1 owners out there or am I alone? My previous post got no replies. Was it something I said lol? Garry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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Motors get oxidized if they sit for long periods without use. So use all the time and enjoy it. Jeff W **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob31411 at msn.com Tue Apr 29 23:26:37 2008 From: bob31411 at msn.com (ROBERT CRABTREE) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:26:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal XR C-60 References: <001501c895d9$20589fe0$6109dfa0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: Victor, did you received these tapes? Bobby ----- Original Message ----- From: Victor Gabrenas To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal XR C-60 Ok here are the details: 1-They were made in E.U. 2-I should have about 1200 of them in a bout 3 weeks or less. 3-Prices- Box of 10 is $35.00 plus shipping Box of 120(12 boxes of 10) is $350 plus shipping Victor M. Gabrenas 801-694-5657 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Apr 29 23:13:44 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:13:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal XR60s Message-ID: <001101c8aa3d$eb4a6f30$c1df4d90$@utah.edu> Ok folks, I should have 1200 pieces in about 2 weeks. Anyone interested please contact me with a zip code and I can give you a total. Presently I can ship right away 9 boxes of 10 pieces. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 Cell: 1-801-694-5657 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Apr 30 01:48:25 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:48:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck In-Reply-To: <4816BB86.9080600@rcn.com> References: <760601.36903.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080427215845.ZORY27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <4816BB86.9080600@rcn.com> Message-ID: <831859E8-7512-471C-9D0D-000BB7E5B32D@kvglabs.com> Hey Ron, On Apr 29, 2008, at 1:09 AM, Ron wrote: > Roland wrote: >> and the eBay band played on as the USS Suckership sank... >> >> [......] >> So, we have unscrupulous sellers and a lackadaisical profit driven >> company to muddle the path to a successful €eBay auction. > "lackadaisical profit driven company"???? > So, that's what we call it now? > > -- Ron Well said. No, really. Well said. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From kulak at ozemail.com.au Wed Apr 30 08:37:43 2008 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:37:43 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Hows this for value retenion? Message-ID: <005901c8aa8c$b1f7f5a0$6e00000a@corp.halex.com.au> In this day and age, one can never ceased to be amazed as to the prices some Nakamichi's are fetching. Have a look at what this CR3A brought in a recently concluded auction. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330230502541&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=014 Is it a sign of the ever dwindling supply of "good" 3 head decks, or a couple of Ebay newbies on an ego trip? regards all, Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ampex500 at gmail.com Wed Apr 30 14:37:34 2008 From: ampex500 at gmail.com (bob forrest) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:37:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hello... and a CR-5A Problem In-Reply-To: <785131.90533.qm@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <785131.90533.qm@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4d7a408f0804300537q1843844bmcf721d12cc91c071@mail.gmail.com> Hi; If it is not the reel motor, it may be the counter belt. I'm betting your counter belt (driven by the supply spindle) is glazed and slipping. If so, this sends a signal to the logic that the end of tape is reached and the logic cuts off the transport. I have had good results using isopropyl to clean the belt with a q tip. It is cisable if you re remove the backing plate you removed to chabge the idler tire. Hope this helps Bob On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Andy. wrote: > Hello fellow Nak owners! I have a CR-2A and a DR-3 > that I love so I went after a CR-5A on that famous > auction site that was described as in excellent > functioning condition. When I got the deck within few > seconds the tape would stop and a short part of the > tape would be exiting out of the shell. Seller sent me > a idler tire and instructions. I put the new tire on, > cleaned all surfaces the tire touches and put a > pinhead drop of lite oil on the tire shaft. Now, the > tape plays for more than a few seconds but stops > around counter number 800. Never making it past 900. > I've used numerous cassettes (all Maxell XL-II 90's) > prerecorded and new. Any ideas or suggestions? I read > thru the archives last night and this morning and > didn't see this unique problem mentioned. Thanks! > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andyprach at yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 05:59:31 2008 From: andyprach at yahoo.com (Andy.) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Hello... and a CR-5A Problem In-Reply-To: <200804291001.m3TA0eAm026576@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <176475.91467.qm@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Andy and Tom, Diagnosis of the problem was correct by both. And Andy sent me the photo's with instructions on how to apply the DeOxit. The Nak is working just fine now. My follow-up questions: Is there an estimated life span of this fix? Or how often will this occur? And... Does it indicate the end of the life of the reel motor? I know very 'open' questions... but just wondering. Thanks again, Andy. > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:16:33 +0000 > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello... and a CR-5A Problem > To: andyprach at yahoo.com > > Hello, Andy - from another Andy! > > >From your description of the problem, it sounds > like your CR-5A has an issue with its reel motor > (the motor that actually drives the idler). > > NOTE: I am assuming that the pinch rollers are both > clean and operate correctly, and that the capstan > belt is the correct type and in good condition. > > The reel motor sounds like it has developed a "dead > spot" on its commutator (the rotating internal > contact). This could be due to wear, oxidation, or > a buildup of carbon deposits. If the motor is > excessively worn, replacement is necessary. > > But it might just be a bit dirty. I can send you > (and anyone else who is interested) a series of > photos, showing you how and where to spray DeOxit > into the reel motor to clean it and restore > operation. It's a simple procedure. > > Once again, I must point out that there is no > guarantee that this will fix the problem. > > Let me know if you are interested. Best of Luck! > > > *andy* > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:33:08 -0500 (GMT-05:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello... and a CR-5A Problem > > Andy, > My guess is a reel motor with a dead spot > inhabits your CR-5. Try spraying DeOxit into the > slots beside the 2 wire terminals. Quite often the > motor will not respond to cleaning. Nice seller! > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >From: "Andy." > >Sent: Apr 27, 2008 3:14 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Hello... and a CR-5A Problem > > > > Hello fellow Nak owners! I have a CR-2A and a DR-3 > >that I love so I went after a CR-5A on that famous > >auction site that was described as in excellent > >functioning condition. When I got the deck within > few > >seconds the tape would stop and a short part of the > >tape would be exiting out of the shell. Seller sent > me > >a idler tire and instructions. I put the new tire > on, > >cleaned all surfaces the tire touches and put a > >pinhead drop of lite oil on the tire shaft. Now, > the > >tape plays for more than a few seconds but stops > >around counter number 800. Never making it past > 900. > >I've used numerous cassettes (all Maxell XL-II > 90's) > >prerecorded and new. Any ideas or suggestions? I > read > >thru the archives last night and this morning and > >didn't see this unique problem mentioned. Thanks! > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Apr 30 06:53:50 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:53:50 EDT Subject: [naktalk] New Factory sealed Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA-X Message-ID: In a message dated 4/29/2008 1:04:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pharmboy at cruzio.com writes: I'm still clearing out old stock of tapes. The following are new left over stock of MAxell XLII-S and TDK SA-X cassettes tapes. Stored in a smoke free, climate and humidity controlled environment. Tapes are made in Japan! 6 x TDK SA-X 100 min high bias tape - $5 each or 6 for $25 6 x Maxell XL II-S 100 min high bias - $4 each or 6 for $22 4 x Maxell XLII 90 min high bias - $1 each or 4 for $3 5 x Maxell XL II-S 90 min high bias - $4 or 5 for $18 Or the Whole lot for $60 Also have about 10 used metals remaining at $5 each Metals are MA, MX, ES, SR, and That's And about 200 used Maxell XLII-S 90min at $2 each or better for a large lot. You're way, way, overpriced. New Maxell XLII-S 90's are available here for $1.64 each plus shipping. _http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Maxell+XLII-S&um=1_ (http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Maxell+XLII-S&um=1) Jeff W **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, when I try to use the manual calibration available on this deck, I can calibrate the Level to 0db without any problem but cannot calibrate Bias to 0db. Upon calibrating the Bias, the meter only lights upto -20db max on a TDK SA cassette and that is at a maximum turn of the Bias knob. I am inclined to think that the Bias calibration problem could be caused by the deck not recording on one of the channels but I could be wrong. The playback quality of this deck is EXCELLENT which makes me want to keep it but cannot afford to spend too much on repair from B&W in the UK. I would appreciate if someone could help me out with their experience and guide me to fix this wonderful deck. Thanks & best regards, Nadeem _________________________________________________________________ Be a superhero and win! Play the Iron Man Mashup Game http://www.ironmanmashup.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrm12000 at cableone.net Wed Apr 30 03:58:05 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:58:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes Message-ID: <4551.1209520685@cableone.net> The link I sent wrapped to the next line. Here is the unit I was talking about: http://www.datalinksales.com/degaussers/pf215.htm On Wed Apr 30 1:52 , "orders at pennysconstruction" sent: >That link doesn't seem to get me anywhere. Here is the cheapest unit on that >web site. >http://www.datalinksales.com/degaussers/pf250.htm >Is that the one? >Thanks Mike >----- Original Message ----- >From: mrm12000 at cableone.net> >To: naktalk at naks.com> >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:56 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reusing tapes > > >> Thank you for all of the useful information on bulk erasing. One of the >> issues with >> buying a used unit off eBay, for instance, is not knowing the strength of >> what >> you're buying (unless it's printed on the unit). Also, I would think that >> many >> older units are pre-metal-tape and wouldn't be be strong enough to erase >> them >> completely. >> >> This Geneva unit is 2800 gauss, and it is supposedly suitable for metal >> tapes: >> >> http://www.datalinksales.com/cgi-bin/shop/datstore.cgi? >> user_action=detail&catalogno=PF-215 >> >> Regarding the Radio Shack models, one is supposedly suitable for erasing >> metal >> tapes, but the directions say you have to make 20 passes on each side! >> >> >> On Tue Apr 29 5:06 , Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com> sent: >> >>>Well, my experience bulk erasing is from my work in pro audio. We >>>always bulk erased tapes before reuse so that they were as "clean" >>>magnetically as they were when new. This way the only factor was >>>mechanical wear, determined by dropouts. So, 2-inch and smaller audio >>>reel-to-reel tapes could therefore be reused up to about fifty times, >>>cassettes about one hundred times, broadcast carts about one hundred >>>times (then the cart was rebuilt), 1-inch and U-Matic video tapes >>>about thirty times, and 2-inch (so-called "quadraplex") videotapes >>>only about a dozen times. Those huge Ampex 2-inch VTRs were brutal on >>>tapes! Usually, the procedure is to keep a count of how many times a >>>tape was reused by putting a pencil dot for each reuse on its label. >>> >>>The bulk erasers we use are large countertop models, like my Gibson >>>Girl, and it is strong enough for metal tapes as well as older >>>formulations. Yes, Gibson Girl really is a brand name. I also have an >>>old Robins that is good for cassettes and 1/4-inch reel-to-reel; these >>>often show up on eBay. The handheld RadioShack, Realistic, Nortronics, >>>and Benjamin units are acceptable, but not as good as true studio >>>models: Robins, Gibson Girl, Fidelitone, Cinerama, Nagra, ITC, Gates, >>>AudioLab, Weircliffe, Verity, Garner, TecNec TD3000, Geneva (Model >>>PF-250 or PF-252 only). By the way, the Geneva models won't erase 8mm >>>or DLT tapes so I'd be skeptical about its ability to erase metal >>>cassettes. >>> >>>Look for a bulk eraser developing 3,000 Gauss or greater. If all >>>you'll be doing is cassettes, you can get by with 2,500 Gauss, but I >>>really think 3,000 Gauss is the minimum. My Gibson Girl bulk eraser is >>>5,000 Gauss. Note though that Gauss field strength isn't the only >>>thing to consider, how the field is focused is as important. The 3,000 >>>Gauss models made by Geneva won't erase DLT, but my old 2,000 Gauss- >>>strong Robins will erase a DLT (barely, but it still will erase it)! >>>Honestly I think the Realistic and RadioShack models are garbage, >>>Benjamin makes a few decent models, and Geneva is good but I think >>>they are a bit overpriced new, but you can find them used at a good >>>price. I'd avoid handheld bulk erasers entirely, even Verity's; >>>handhelds are usually marginal quality. >>> >>>Bulk erasing tapes has been standard operating procedure industry-wide >>>since the introduction of magnetic tape recorders. Bulk erasing does >>>not hurt the tapes, and there is no such thing as a bulk eraser that >>>is "too strong." >>> >>>Did you know that the final step in manufacturing blank tape before it >>>is packaged is to bulk erase it on powerful table-sized automatic bulk >>>erasers? When I toured the 3M "Scotch" magnetic recording tape >>>factory in 1978, located in St. Paul, Minnesota if I recall correctly, >>>I was astonished to find this out. Those huge erasers made quite a >>>racket! >>> >>>A bulk tape eraser completely erases all audio, video and data signals >>>from the tape. Merely re-recording magnetic media does not completely >>>erase the signal. Only a bulk tape eraser can remove 100% of the >>>signal, so degaussing magnetic tapes on a regular basis allows you to >>>recycle your old tapes in a quick and effective manner. The widespread >>>use of magnetic tape since the 1940s in the broadcast and recording >>>industries has resulted in professionals striving to achieve higher >>>quality and efficiency, while at the same time improving cost >>>efficiency. Bulk erasing magnetic tapes using "deep erasure" created >>>by powerful magnetic fields, means that previously-recorded signals >>>can be eliminated completely from tapes, cassettes or cartridges. The >>>resultant benefits are substantial: professional users of audio and >>>video tapes achieve better yields and increased quality. Digital tape >>>recordists (RDAT, ADAT, DASH, etc.) enjoy higher efficiency from >>>considerably reduced error rates. Professional users improve their >>>competitiveness by incorporating bulk erasure and reused tapes in >>>their workflow. Professionals achieve considerable cost savings by >>>being able to confidently reuse tapes that would otherwise have to be >>>discarded because of quality or reliability issues. >>> >>>By the way you MUST bulk erase a digital tape before reuse if you want >>>to get a reliable recording, especially RDAT and ADAT. Bulk erasure >>>ensures that all the data and time code is gone. Bulk erasing >>>eliminates mysterious pops and ticks that often plague RDAT, and are >>>often mistaken as dropouts. >>> >>>When I bought my bulk eraser in 1976, Gibson Girl was one of the >>>highest-end brands. Today, I'd recommend Verity, Audiolab or the >>>TecNec TD3000. >>> >>>On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 PM, orders at pennysconstruction wrote: >>> >>>> This is very nice information. Thanks. >>>> Do you guys think we could have a little more discussion about this? >>>> What erasers work well? If you have good or bad experience with this >>>> idea? Because I have always thought that it was frowned upon. I have >>>> several hundred used tapes I don't want, so this would be useful >>>> info for me. >>>> Thanks Mike >>>>> >>> >>> >>>-- Kermit Gray >>>notarbene at kvglabs.com >>>KVG Laboratories >>>Equipment to Make Your Music Better >>>16371 Lake Point Drive >>>Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >>>Telephone: 913-422-0957 >>>Skype ID: triodelicacy >>> >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From orders at pennysconstruction.com Wed Apr 30 03:52:44 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:52:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes References: <2078.1209480977@cableone.net> Message-ID: That link doesn't seem to get me anywhere. Here is the cheapest unit on that web site. http://www.datalinksales.com/degaussers/pf250.htm Is that the one? Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reusing tapes > Thank you for all of the useful information on bulk erasing. One of the > issues with > buying a used unit off eBay, for instance, is not knowing the strength of > what > you're buying (unless it's printed on the unit). Also, I would think that > many > older units are pre-metal-tape and wouldn't be be strong enough to erase > them > completely. > > This Geneva unit is 2800 gauss, and it is supposedly suitable for metal > tapes: > > http://www.datalinksales.com/cgi-bin/shop/datstore.cgi? > user_action=detail&catalogno=PF-215 > > Regarding the Radio Shack models, one is supposedly suitable for erasing > metal > tapes, but the directions say you have to make 20 passes on each side! > > > On Tue Apr 29 5:06 , Kermit Gray sent: > >>Well, my experience bulk erasing is from my work in pro audio. We >>always bulk erased tapes before reuse so that they were as "clean" >>magnetically as they were when new. This way the only factor was >>mechanical wear, determined by dropouts. So, 2-inch and smaller audio >>reel-to-reel tapes could therefore be reused up to about fifty times, >>cassettes about one hundred times, broadcast carts about one hundred >>times (then the cart was rebuilt), 1-inch and U-Matic video tapes >>about thirty times, and 2-inch (so-called "quadraplex") videotapes >>only about a dozen times. Those huge Ampex 2-inch VTRs were brutal on >>tapes! Usually, the procedure is to keep a count of how many times a >>tape was reused by putting a pencil dot for each reuse on its label. >> >>The bulk erasers we use are large countertop models, like my Gibson >>Girl, and it is strong enough for metal tapes as well as older >>formulations. Yes, Gibson Girl really is a brand name. I also have an >>old Robins that is good for cassettes and 1/4-inch reel-to-reel; these >>often show up on eBay. The handheld RadioShack, Realistic, Nortronics, >>and Benjamin units are acceptable, but not as good as true studio >>models: Robins, Gibson Girl, Fidelitone, Cinerama, Nagra, ITC, Gates, >>AudioLab, Weircliffe, Verity, Garner, TecNec TD3000, Geneva (Model >>PF-250 or PF-252 only). By the way, the Geneva models won't erase 8mm >>or DLT tapes so I'd be skeptical about its ability to erase metal >>cassettes. >> >>Look for a bulk eraser developing 3,000 Gauss or greater. If all >>you'll be doing is cassettes, you can get by with 2,500 Gauss, but I >>really think 3,000 Gauss is the minimum. My Gibson Girl bulk eraser is >>5,000 Gauss. Note though that Gauss field strength isn't the only >>thing to consider, how the field is focused is as important. The 3,000 >>Gauss models made by Geneva won't erase DLT, but my old 2,000 Gauss- >>strong Robins will erase a DLT (barely, but it still will erase it)! >>Honestly I think the Realistic and RadioShack models are garbage, >>Benjamin makes a few decent models, and Geneva is good but I think >>they are a bit overpriced new, but you can find them used at a good >>price. I'd avoid handheld bulk erasers entirely, even Verity's; >>handhelds are usually marginal quality. >> >>Bulk erasing tapes has been standard operating procedure industry-wide >>since the introduction of magnetic tape recorders. Bulk erasing does >>not hurt the tapes, and there is no such thing as a bulk eraser that >>is "too strong." >> >>Did you know that the final step in manufacturing blank tape before it >>is packaged is to bulk erase it on powerful table-sized automatic bulk >>erasers? When I toured the 3M "Scotch" magnetic recording tape >>factory in 1978, located in St. Paul, Minnesota if I recall correctly, >>I was astonished to find this out. Those huge erasers made quite a >>racket! >> >>A bulk tape eraser completely erases all audio, video and data signals >>from the tape. Merely re-recording magnetic media does not completely >>erase the signal. Only a bulk tape eraser can remove 100% of the >>signal, so degaussing magnetic tapes on a regular basis allows you to >>recycle your old tapes in a quick and effective manner. The widespread >>use of magnetic tape since the 1940s in the broadcast and recording >>industries has resulted in professionals striving to achieve higher >>quality and efficiency, while at the same time improving cost >>efficiency. Bulk erasing magnetic tapes using "deep erasure" created >>by powerful magnetic fields, means that previously-recorded signals >>can be eliminated completely from tapes, cassettes or cartridges. The >>resultant benefits are substantial: professional users of audio and >>video tapes achieve better yields and increased quality. Digital tape >>recordists (RDAT, ADAT, DASH, etc.) enjoy higher efficiency from >>considerably reduced error rates. Professional users improve their >>competitiveness by incorporating bulk erasure and reused tapes in >>their workflow. Professionals achieve considerable cost savings by >>being able to confidently reuse tapes that would otherwise have to be >>discarded because of quality or reliability issues. >> >>By the way you MUST bulk erase a digital tape before reuse if you want >>to get a reliable recording, especially RDAT and ADAT. Bulk erasure >>ensures that all the data and time code is gone. Bulk erasing >>eliminates mysterious pops and ticks that often plague RDAT, and are >>often mistaken as dropouts. >> >>When I bought my bulk eraser in 1976, Gibson Girl was one of the >>highest-end brands. Today, I'd recommend Verity, Audiolab or the >>TecNec TD3000. >> >>On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 PM, orders at pennysconstruction wrote: >> >>> This is very nice information. Thanks. >>> Do you guys think we could have a little more discussion about this? >>> What erasers work well? If you have good or bad experience with this >>> idea? Because I have always thought that it was frowned upon. I have >>> several hundred used tapes I don't want, so this would be useful >>> info for me. >>> Thanks Mike >>>> >> >> >>-- Kermit Gray >>notarbene at kvglabs.com >>KVG Laboratories >>Equipment to Make Your Music Better >>16371 Lake Point Drive >>Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >>Telephone: 913-422-0957 >>Skype ID: triodelicacy >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 30 09:11:09 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:11:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck In-Reply-To: <20080429201845.JKTS13948.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> References: <760601.36903.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080427215845.ZORY27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <4816BB86.9080600@rcn.com> <20080429201845.JKTS13948.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <48181B8D.4010309@rcn.com> Roland wrote: > At 02:09 AM 4/29/2008, you wrote: >> Roland wrote: >>> and the eBay band played on as the USS Suckership sank... >>> >>> [......] >>> So, we have unscrupulous sellers and a lackadaisical profit driven >>> company to muddle the path to a successful €eBay auction. >> "lackadaisical profit driven company"???? >> So, that's what we call it now? >> >> -- Ron >> > > > That's what I call them now. They don't care how they make their > money, just as long as they do make money and beware of your fingers > if you try to interrupt their process. Other than body parts and > selling your used Microsoft software, it's not that easy to have an > auction removed with a lesser infraction of their rules. > > Oh, I was just kidding... I quite agree. My own favorite description of ebay is 'a cesspool of scams'. Of course, the company will do nothing that could possibly harm the bottom line. What are a few scams between friends? :-). OTOH, ebay has made it impossible to obtain certain items elsewhere. I still bid from time to time, but only if I can pay with a credit card (directly -- not through that other cesspool, called PayPal) and/or can pick up personally. This limits me to maybe 2% of the auctions. -- Ron From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Apr 30 15:18:38 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Reusing tapes In-Reply-To: <200804301004.m3UA1Ql6024083@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <64720.92549.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Kermit's tutorial on bulk erasing was fantastic yes, thanks Kermit! It's true about the Radio Shack model, as it does take 20 passes on each side of a metal cassette Type IV. Actually, it can take even more, the unit will shut itself off with more than 20 passes and then you WAIT for it to cool. You get what you pay for there. However the commercial units mentioned usually start at over two grand. Doing a goggle search, you can find some re-manufactured units for $650+. As far as finding some commercial used units on ebay....unless you get lucky, they are most probably faulty, who will repair them and at what cost? Kevin Message: 12 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:56:17 -0700 From: "mrm12000 at cableone.net" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reusing tapes To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <2078.1209480977 at cableone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you for all of the useful information on bulk erasing. One of the issues with buying a used unit off eBay, for instance, is not knowing the strength of what you're buying (unless it's printed on the unit). Also, I would think that many older units are pre-metal-tape and wouldn't be be strong enough to erase them completely. This Geneva unit is 2800 gauss, and it is supposedly suitable for metal tapes: http://www.datalinksales.com/cgi-bin/shop/datstore.cgi? user_action=detail&catalogno=PF-215 Regarding the Radio Shack models, one is supposedly suitable for erasing metal tapes, but the directions say you have to make 20 passes on each side! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Apr 30 21:50:16 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:50:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Reusing tapes In-Reply-To: <64720.92549.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <64720.92549.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5F5FD9B4-21E4-4844-813E-ABE5FED53863@kvglabs.com> Hi Kevin, On Apr 30, 2008, at 8:18 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > However the commercial units mentioned usually > start at over two grand. Commercial bulk eraser new prices start at only about $300 for the TecNec TD-3000 and similar units. > Doing a goggle search, you > can find some re-manufactured units for $650+. As far > as finding some commercial used units on > ebay....unless you get lucky, they are most probably > faulty, who will repair them and at what cost? > I bought my Gibson Girl (a commercial unit) used; it was 8 years old and owned by a radio station. It worked fine and still works fine, now that is is 40 years old. Bulk erasers are merely electromagnets. I have bought and sold studio and broadcast audio gear as part of my livelihood from 1976 until the year 2003. I've never heard of a used bulk eraser being defective except for very simple things like a bad power switch, missing fuse, or damaged power cord. These are simple repairs. Over the past twenty-plus years I've sold dozens of commercial bulk erasers. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From mfallon at windstream.net Wed Apr 30 21:16:21 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:16:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] New Factory sealed Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA-X Message-ID: <20080430191621.MXBJ9682.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> I followed the link and they don't seem to have any XLII-S tapes, just XLII... > > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Date: 2008/04/30 Wed AM 12:53:50 EDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Factory sealed Maxell XLII-S and TDK SA-X > > > In a message dated 4/29/2008 1:04:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > pharmboy at cruzio.com writes: > > I'm still clearing out old stock of tapes. > The following are new left over stock of MAxell XLII-S and TDK SA-X > cassettes > tapes. > Stored in a smoke free, climate and humidity controlled environment. > Tapes are made in Japan! > > 6 x TDK SA-X 100 min high bias tape - $5 each or 6 for $25 > > 6 x Maxell XL II-S 100 min high bias - $4 each or 6 for $22 > > 4 x Maxell XLII 90 min high bias - $1 each or 4 for $3 > > 5 x Maxell XL II-S 90 min high bias - $4 or 5 for $18 > > Or the Whole lot for $60 > > > > Also have about 10 used metals remaining at $5 each > Metals are MA, MX, ES, SR, and That's > > And about 200 used Maxell XLII-S 90min at $2 each or better for a large lot. > > > > > > > You're way, way, overpriced. New Maxell XLII-S 90's are available here for > $1.64 each plus shipping. > _http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Maxell+XLII-S&um=1_ > (http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Maxell+XLII-S&um=1) > > Jeff W > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antonio.fico at gmail.com Wed Apr 30 22:37:07 2008 From: antonio.fico at gmail.com (Antonio) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:37:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Help! 628xz doesn't record anymore Message-ID: <4818d895.0ab6660a.2d92.1a7a@mx.google.com> Hi guys, i hope some of you can help me. I have a 682xz that suddenly doesn't record anymore. It plays and erases perfectly but when I press record and I go into monitor mode I see that it's recording not the signal but only crackling sound. What can I do?? Thanks Antonio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Apr 30 21:10:47 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:10:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Hello... and a CR-5A Problem Message-ID: In a message dated 4/30/2008 12:04:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ampex500 at gmail.com writes: If it is not the reel motor, it may be the counter belt. I'm betting your counter belt (driven by the supply spindle) is glazed and slipping. If so, this sends a signal to the logic that the end of tape is reached and the logic cuts off the transport. I don't think there is a counter belt in the CR-5. It picks up the rotations for the counter off the reel table if I remember right. Jeff W **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Apr 30 23:03:45 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:03:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Maxell type II tapes Message-ID: In a message dated 4/30/2008 12:44:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, EL34GUY writes: yeah those are the regular tapes, not the S models. They appear to have none of those right now Right, I see that. Have you ever read the service bulletin for the faulty eq of the CR-7? It's "Modification of Record Amp Circuit" at this URL - _http://naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents_ (http://naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents) My reading of this bulletin is that you're better off with the non-S tapes, and maybe not just for the CR-7. After you read it, see what you think. I wonder what other people think of this. It also gives a glimpse into what Nak thought of its customers too. Jeff W **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Apr 30 23:04:37 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:04:37 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Maxell Type II tapes Message-ID: In a message dated 4/30/2008 1:07:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, EL34GUY writes: I should be getting my BX-300 today, pretty excited about it. Hi Mark, I'm specifically thinking that the BX-300 may be a deck which is better off with the non-S or -X tapes. You might see what you think. I have found that to be true in the past, for myself. I'm having to go to an earlier revision of the service manuals list to retrieve that service bulletin about the CR-7 - I wonder why? It doesn't seem to exist on the latest version of the list which my browser pulls up. Jeff W **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Apr 30 23:05:40 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:05:40 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Maxell Type II tapes Message-ID: In a message dated 4/30/2008 12:15:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, EL34GUY writes: I cant actually get that link to work Jeff, It goes there but maybe Im missing on how to buy. I do have a google account and its in my wish list _http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Maxell+XLII-S&um=1_ (http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Maxell+XLII-S&um=1) Cut and paste that into your browser. When you get to the page, click on the blue highlighted listing for Maxell XLII-S. When it goes to the business page, click on the icon for "audio tape." They're now selling for even less - $1.18 each. OR try this - _http://www.samsdigitaldiscounts.com/cat.cfm/hurl/Audio-Tape_ (http://www.samsdigitaldiscounts.com/cat.cfm/hurl/Audio-Tape) Jeff W **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2008\2008-August.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Aug 1 00:11:27 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:11:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... In-Reply-To: <8EFAA804-4017-4841-A76C-D07E45C6912D@kvglabs.com> References: <073020081614.16011.4890934F000592B000003E8B22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8EFAA804-4017-4841-A76C-D07E45C6912D@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <4892388F.8000906@verizon.net> Kermit Gray wrote: > Andy, > > Did you notice he stole his description from Wouter's Naks.com website > listing of the CR-07? > > I'll bid on it. I like paying way above market value for items. Why pay > a fair price when you can pay too much? > > Phhht! > > For less than that price, you can buy a restored deck from Jeff Galin > (ESL) and know you have a good tape deck! But this one is brand new, Andy. Still has the factory sticker on the door! He bought it for his old mother, who never used it and on her death bed bade him to store it for 25 years, then auction it off on ebay. He's a truthful man, he is. What, you don't believe him? You should be ashamed of yourself. -- Ron > > > On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:14 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > >> >> OK, now things are getting RIDICULOUS..... >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-7A-Discrete-Head-Cassette-Deck-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ110275377662QQihZ001QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> >> >> >> *andy* >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Aug 1 00:19:51 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:19:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] "I do solemnly swear..." In-Reply-To: <489065FB.2030608@verizon.net> References: <002e01c8f1a3$ad3a1fd0$b207010a@hurtignok> <37558C005BDD44379E636E712A2C7951@geoffprimary> <0b4c01c8f23e$89b36a30$9d1a3e90$@com> <489065FB.2030608@verizon.net> Message-ID: <118701c8f35b$8e3bdb00$aab39100$@com> Perhaps you have seen more of hi fi groups than me and I am naive, Ron - other than this group (and Bleus Nak group on Yahoo, which seems more peaceful, too) my only experience has been with Leak, Quad and Eico groups. I don't partake much with the Quad or Eico groups anymore, but while I was there they were, like the Leak one, soft as doves. Ne'er a cat among them to bloody the feathers. Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 2:01 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] "I do solemnly swear..." Yeah, you might but what about the others? While I largely agree with you, may I point out that this is typical of *all* audio related groups. There is something to this hobby that makes people passionate to the point of belligerence. This is why I no longer participate in audio related news groups, where flaming and ad hominem attacks are a constant ugly presence. Some posters there hardly ever deal with audio topics, but limit their posts to constantly telling others what idiots they are. Compared to such groups, this list has had but few such ugly eruptions. I wonder if they justify constant moderation. Perhaps the 'moderation by exception' approach would serve just as well, allowing timely publications while lessening moderators work load. -- Ron From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Aug 1 00:49:10 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:49:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] "I do solemnly swear..." In-Reply-To: <373563.20504.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <073120081337.20484.4891C02E0002FF6C0000500422120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <373563.20504.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <118d01c8f35f$a6772d10$f3658730$@com> David, et al Other Mods will correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I can see, posts are attended to in order of their arrival, not randomly. I've no idea why the posts may be coming in different order except to say we have exactly the same problem with posts from a Writers' Yahoo group, of which I am a co-owner. Indeed, with here and the Yahoo group it is common for me to see the live post before the automated notification for moderation! (How weird is that?) Graham PS Unlike me, I don't think you've ever said anything stupid anyway! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of fripp_em Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:26 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] "I do solemnly swear..." Yeah, you might but what about the others? I would almost agree with you except today I am getting Naktalk mail from today and yesterday and it makes it difficult to follow the order. If I say something stupid or incorrect (yeah both happen) and want to correct it, when will my message get through? In a day or two? "No I didn't mean to remove that part like that, you'll wreck the deck, do this instead":-) Too late... OK, maybe that's not too likely, but really I've just never been on a list that had this kind of wacky transit time and order. You really need a paid full time moderator to do it this way. I again wonder if random oder multiple moderators contributes to the random transit order. If the list has to be strongly moderated, then just spooling up the mail, going through it once a day and then releasing the lot would at least get it out in some kind of order? David From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Aug 1 00:55:39 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:55:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... In-Reply-To: <4892388F.8000906@verizon.net> References: <073020081614.16011.4890934F000592B000003E8B22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8EFAA804-4017-4841-A76C-D07E45C6912D@kvglabs.com> <4892388F.8000906@verizon.net> Message-ID: <119301c8f360$8f3982a0$adac87e0$@com> Yeah, and he's probably an upright pillar of the community, Ron - a politician. Graham But this one is brand new, Andy. Still has the factory sticker on the door! He bought it for his old mother, who never used it and on her death bed bade him to store it for 25 years, then auction it off on ebay. He's a truthful man, he is. What, you don't believe him? You should be ashamed of yourself. -- Ron From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Aug 1 01:12:39 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:12:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak info' from Haden Boardman In-Reply-To: <073120081337.20484.4891C02E0002FF6C0000500422120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <073120081337.20484.4891C02E0002FF6C0000500422120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <119901c8f362$eea31970$cbe94c50$@com> Some of you may have heard of Haden. He's been involved with hi fi - and beggar all else - since he was a school boy. You name it, he's probably owned it, tested it and reviewed it for one of the UK or US hi fi magazines! (Well, maybe not everything, but you get the picture.) Thus, he has something or "guru" status in the UK (which amuses him more than pleases, but I think he milks it anyway) and more, an encyclopaedic memory of many details and an opinion on every one of them. Here's some half remembered facts he dug out regarding Naks ... they may be foggy - some of you may be able to confirm or deny? Without being specific about what, Haden tells me a lot of Nakamichi stuff was manufactured by Kenwood, which he reckons was no bad thing and probably better than that by Sanyko. (Kenwood making Nak stuff?? Anyone else heard about this/can throw any light on it?) He is not sure but believes Nak belts mostly made by Matsushita, ".. but they stopped years ago and what is left is pure rubbish." He mentions that CPC make a decent range of what he calls "rubbery" belts but he regards them as cr#p not very good because they slip and can cause poor w/f. He goes on to say " The biggest problem is the quality of the rubber. And sadly there is no real way to get around this problem. In our wonderful throw away society we are in the minority wanting to keep old equipment up and running. (Which reminds me, must get my TC800 out and run it!). What we need to know is WHAT the compound of the old belts is..." (Echoing views in this forum.) "...Everything else will be cheap crap out of china... " Well, may be not everything will be "cheap crap out of China"! (Worthy of note, Haden got burnt with a container load of "really nice" Chinese tube amps - at least, the ones he was shown and he ordered were nice. The ones which were delivered were still nice except ... he had to re-solder EVERY joint in each amp before he could sell them. Suffice to say he's not importing any more Chinese made gear or parts, and his view of China as a source is jaded. With further regard to Nak belts, he shot down all of my fanciful theories - no surprise to some of you! However, he seems to question the need for a w/f meter to test them!!! He said, "... with something like a Nak, the belt will either work 99.9% or it will be so "wrong" you would have to be tone deaf not to spot it." (Now, doesn't that comment sound just like a Sankism?!) Oh, and for who it was that made shots at Rega (was that you, Kermit?) he said of Rega record decks ... can't tell you as it's probably libellous, but it was something about being good at spinning things and putting people off playing records. Incidentally, Haden has one cassette deck - not a Nak but a Yamaha CT-800. Very collectable. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Aug 1 02:15:06 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:15:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... In-Reply-To: <4892388F.8000906@verizon.net> References: <073020081614.16011.4890934F000592B000003E8B22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8EFAA804-4017-4841-A76C-D07E45C6912D@kvglabs.com> <4892388F.8000906@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4AAB081C-0E1F-48B3-ADC5-33C4E6EC3BAE@kvglabs.com> Well, right on, Ron! I believe the guy now that you've given me a fresh perspective on it! It's a good thing I decided to keep the first stereo I had in junior high school (a DeWald amp, two unbranded fullrange speakers, a Revere reel-to-reel, and a Dual 1009-SK turntable/changer) and wait for eBay to be invented before selling some of it. This was very longsighted of me, because in 1973 computers didn't run on batteries and weren't something the average personal crammed in their suitcase and took with them on trips. On Jul 31, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Ron wrote: > Kermit Gray wrote: >> Andy, >> Did you notice he stole his description from Wouter's Naks.com >> website listing of the CR-07? >> I'll bid on it. I like paying way above market value for items. Why >> pay a fair price when you can pay too much? >> Phhht! >> For less than that price, you can buy a restored deck from Jeff >> Galin (ESL) and know you have a good tape deck! > > But this one is brand new, Andy. Still has > the factory sticker on the door! He bought > it for his old mother, who never used it > and on her death bed bade him to store it > for 25 years, then auction it off on ebay. > > He's a truthful man, he is. What, you don't > believe him? You should be ashamed of > yourself. > > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Aug 1 02:33:36 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 01:33:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... OT In-Reply-To: <4AAB081C-0E1F-48B3-ADC5-33C4E6EC3BAE@kvglabs.com> References: <073020081614.16011.4890934F000592B000003E8B22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8EFAA804-4017-4841-A76C-D07E45C6912D@kvglabs.com> <4892388F.8000906@verizon.net> <4AAB081C-0E1F-48B3-ADC5-33C4E6EC3BAE@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <11e001c8f36e$3d7d40b0$b877c210$@com> Suitcase size computers ... Recalling 1982 - I still remember our engineers having to climb INSIDE our two mainframes' dot matrix printers to fix them! We had two huge ICL core store incredibly noisy mainframes (one v large room each and long banks of tall tape decks), then state of the art and the biggest, most powerful machines in Europe, computing the National Giro's ledger with the 'puter power you'd now get in something like a $300 laptop. Sorry - I digress from Naks. Back to bed ... Gra' Graham Nelson -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 1:15 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... Well, right on, Ron! I believe the guy now that you've given me a fresh perspective on it!...This was very longsighted of me, because in 1973 computers didn't run on batteries and weren't something the average personal crammed in their suitcase and took with them on trips. From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Aug 1 04:06:03 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:06:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] "I do solemnly swear..." Yeah, you might but what about the others? In-Reply-To: <3D0322C5ED2B4B2BA8C79ABC5CCF90C7@geoffprimary> References: <002e01c8f1a3$ad3a1fd0$b207010a@hurtignok><37558C005BDD44379E636E712A2C7951@geoffprimary><0b4c01c8f23e$89b36a30$9d1a3e90$@com> <489065FB.2030608@verizon.net> <3D0322C5ED2B4B2BA8C79ABC5CCF90C7@geoffprimary> Message-ID: <48926F8B.2030207@verizon.net> Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > From: "Ron" > >> While I largely agree with you, may I point out >> that this is typical of *all* audio related groups. >> There is something to this hobby that makes people >> passionate to the point of belligerence. > > I would take "audio related" out of your comment - all sorts of hobbies > have very passionate people who get belligerent. I've seen it in > computer hardware forums, computer software forums, cell phone forums, > photography forums, car forums, offroading forums, etc. It's just the > way people are, unfortunately, and I think many of us fall into the trap > without really meaning to. But I have found that the threat of and > judicious use of moderation almost always deals with the problem. If > the moderators are happy with things the way they are and don't mind the > burden of having to approve every post that gets through, that's fine > (and it's obviously Wouter's list), but this list has enough traffic > that I would think they would rather lessen the burden a bit. It seems that the audio hobby is unique in that it's populated by many who, while extremely passionate, are also seriously clueless concerning the nuts and bolts side of it. Clearly, these people would like to become 'experts' but are unwilling (or unable) to put in the required time and effort required to amass that knowledge. This brings about frustration with resultant stress relieving behavior (namely, name calling, ad hominem attacks, etc.) For example, not long ago there was a very lively discussion concerning magnetics. A member (let's call him R) got bent out of shape and devoted a post to nothing else but a venomously personal attack against yours truly (this passed unscathed through the moderation process). The funny thing was that, among other things, R accused me of thinking that the CR-7 is the best Nak deck. Never mind that this is not true (I think the CR-7 is an excellent deck but 'best' never escaped my lips), the CR-7 was never even mentioned in the exchange that got R so riled up. I have seen nothing like this in computer, auto, home theater or photography forums that I frequent (or, for that matter, NakTalk, until some years ago). That's why I think it's so specific to audio. Have a god night, -- Ron > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Aug 1 04:21:59 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:21:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... In-Reply-To: <4AAB081C-0E1F-48B3-ADC5-33C4E6EC3BAE@kvglabs.com> References: <073020081614.16011.4890934F000592B000003E8B22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8EFAA804-4017-4841-A76C-D07E45C6912D@kvglabs.com> <4892388F.8000906@verizon.net> <4AAB081C-0E1F-48B3-ADC5-33C4E6EC3BAE@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <48927347.8030609@verizon.net> Kermit Gray wrote: > Well, right on, Ron! I believe the guy now that you've given me a fresh > perspective on it! Oh, hello, Kermit. How're you doing? > It's a good thing I decided to keep the first stereo I had in junior > high school (a DeWald amp, two unbranded fullrange speakers, a Revere > reel-to-reel, and a Dual 1009-SK turntable/changer) and wait for eBay to > be invented before selling some of it. This was very longsighted of me, > because in 1973 computers didn't run on batteries and weren't something > the average personal crammed in their suitcase and took with them on trips. 1973? That's before I built my first computer. That came in 1977 or so, and wouldn't have fit in any suitcase, sporting as it did four 8" floppy drives (originally, 241KB each -- but specially formatted to accommodate 800 and something KB). It was so powerful I could even edit letters on it :-). I couldn't afford a printer, so I built one from an old IBM typewriter (do people nowadays even know what a typewriter is?) and a bunch of inverted solenoids that hit the KB from above. It chugged along, very nicely, at 5 characters per second. I wonder what it would fetch on ebay today? -- Ron > > On Jul 31, 2008, at 5:11 PM, Ron wrote: > >> Kermit Gray wrote: >>> Andy, >>> Did you notice he stole his description from Wouter's Naks.com >>> website listing of the CR-07? >>> I'll bid on it. I like paying way above market value for items. Why >>> pay a fair price when you can pay too much? >>> Phhht! >>> For less than that price, you can buy a restored deck from Jeff Galin >>> (ESL) and know you have a good tape deck! >> >> But this one is brand new, Andy. Still has >> the factory sticker on the door! He bought >> it for his old mother, who never used it >> and on her death bed bade him to store it >> for 25 years, then auction it off on ebay. >> >> He's a truthful man, he is. What, you don't >> believe him? You should be ashamed of >> yourself. >> >> > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy From lists at richardhess.com Fri Aug 1 05:37:41 2008 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:37:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications Message-ID: <0MKp8S-1KOlT52Gvz-0005Q5@mrelay.perfora.net> As some of you may recall, I do tape transfers with Nak Dragons (and sometimes an MR-1 and other machines) and Studer A80s and Sony APR-5000s mostly. Anyway, there are some poorly recorded tapes that don't do well with the Dragon auto-azimuth. I was wondering if anyone has ever made mods to the auto azimuth to modify how it works and/or make it manual. I have some ideas about what I want and what's possible, but I'd like to hear anything you folks have done in this regard. For the record, I don't think a half dozen Dragons are mis-performing and the same tape will behave the same way in multiple machines. Serial numbers vary over at least 15,000 numbers IIRC. My basic concept is an external azimuth control/monitor box: -- Digital readout of azimuth position -- Azimuth hold (stop it where it is, and don't let it move even during a power off/on cycle) -- Manual azimuth with a pot Conceptually I will do minimum mods to the Auto Azimuth board, replace the Black Box connector with one with more pins, and make a black aluminum diecast box that sits on top of the machine. Please let me know what you have done and what you guys think. Thanks! Cheers, Richard Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 00:11:31 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:11:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... In-Reply-To: <8EFAA804-4017-4841-A76C-D07E45C6912D@kvglabs.com> References: <073020081614.16011.4890934F000592B000003E8B22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8EFAA804-4017-4841-A76C-D07E45C6912D@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10807311511p1347f8ddx8b794921471ede2f@mail.gmail.com> Why don't we just bombard him with silly bids ? On 7/31/08, Kermit Gray wrote: > Andy, > > Did you notice he stole his description from Wouter's Naks.com website > listing of the CR-07? > > I'll bid on it. I like paying way above market value for items. Why pay a > fair price when you can pay too much? > > Phhht! > > For less than that price, you can buy a restored deck from Jeff Galin (ESL) > and know you have a good tape deck! > > > > On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:14 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > > > OK, now things are getting RIDICULOUS..... > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-7A-Discrete-Head-Cassette-Deck-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ110275377662QQihZ001QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > > > > > *andy* > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 04:19:46 2008 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 482Z v. BX300 In-Reply-To: <48922944.6060903@verizon.net> Message-ID: <851991.29837.qm@web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for your input Ron. Alas I was too slow and the deck was sold making my inquiry moot. Larry Ron wrote: Larry Sachs wrote: > Hi all, > Any opinions as to whether the *482Z* is the equal or better than the > *BX-300*? Does anyone think a *482Z* in excellent cosmetic condition > which was allegedly working when packed away in its original box who > knows how long ago is worth $75 US? I have two *BX-300s* now so I'm > hardly desperate for another deck, but I'd hate to pass it up if it > would be a nice addition. I can always sell my 2nd *BX-300*. Thanks for > your input. > > Larry Some people may prefer the 482Z, for its classic transport, Dolby C and bias fine tuning. On the whole, though, these are fairly similar decks (dual capstans, 3 heads, etc). For everyday use, I'd say they are pretty equivalent. The serious hobbyiest would probably prefer the CR-5 or CR-7 to the BX-300 and the 582 (with or without the Z) to the 480. for the extra money one gets such niceties as built in test tones, better metering, etc.. Personally, I would much rather have one CR-5 to two or three BX-300s, but that's just me. Sonically, I think the BX-300/CR-5/CR-7 tend to sound a trifle more accurate/analytical, while the 582 family sounds a bit warmer; but you wouldn't notice (at least *I* didn't) until heard side by side. In any case, this is highly personal. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Fri Aug 1 01:30:52 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak info' from Haden Boardman In-Reply-To: <119901c8f362$eea31970$cbe94c50$@com> Message-ID: <900395.58794.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh, the YAMAHA TC-800 !! That modern look cassette deck designed ( industrial design only ) by Mario Bellini. I don't have TC-800 but I have five TC-800GL and TC-800D ( all requires changes of belts and mechanical clean-up ). If anybody interested in having one and agree to pay for shipping cost send me an email offline ( only one available to give-away ). Thanks. Mike Graham A Nelson wrote: Some of you may have heard of Haden. He's been involved with hi fi - and beggar all else - since he was a school boy. You name it, he's probably owned it, tested it and reviewed it for one of the UK or US hi fi magazines! (Well, maybe not everything, but you get the picture.) Thus, he has something or "guru" status in the UK (which amuses him more than pleases, but I think he milks it anyway) and more, an encyclopaedic memory of many details and an opinion on every one of them. Here's some half remembered facts he dug out regarding Naks ... they may be foggy - some of you may be able to confirm or deny? Without being specific about what, Haden tells me a lot of Nakamichi stuff was manufactured by Kenwood, which he reckons was no bad thing and probably better than that by Sanyko. (Kenwood making Nak stuff?? Anyone else heard about this/can throw any light on it?) He is not sure but believes Nak belts mostly made by Matsushita, ".. but they stopped years ago and what is left is pure rubbish." He mentions that CPC make a decent range of what he calls "rubbery" belts but he regards them as cr#p not very good because they slip and can cause poor w/f. He goes on to say " The biggest problem is the quality of the rubber. And sadly there is no real way to get around this problem. In our wonderful throw away society we are in the minority wanting to keep old equipment up and running. (Which reminds me, must get my TC800 out and run it!). What we need to know is WHAT the compound of the old belts is..." (Echoing views in this forum.) "...Everything else will be cheap crap out of china... " Well, may be not everything will be “cheap crap out of China”! (Worthy of note, Haden got burnt with a container load of "really nice" Chinese tube amps - at least, the ones he was shown and he ordered were nice. The ones which were delivered were still nice except ... he had to re-solder EVERY joint in each amp before he could sell them. Suffice to say he's not importing any more Chinese made gear or parts, and his view of China as a source is jaded. With further regard to Nak belts, he shot down all of my fanciful theories - no surprise to some of you! However, he seems to question the need for a w/f meter to test them!!! He said, "... with something like a Nak, the belt will either work 99.9% or it will be so "wrong" you would have to be tone deaf not to spot it." (Now, doesn't that comment sound just like a Sankism?!) Oh, and for who it was that made shots at Rega (was that you, Kermit?) he said of Rega record decks ... can't tell you as it's probably libellous, but it was something about being good at spinning things and putting people off playing records. Incidentally, Haden has one cassette deck - not a Nak but a Yamaha CT-800. Very collectable. Graham ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 1 06:12:49 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:12:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... In-Reply-To: <4892388F.8000906@verizon.net> References: <073020081614.16011.4890934F000592B000003E8B22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net><8EFAA804-4017-4841-A76C-D07E45C6912D@kvglabs.com> <4892388F.8000906@verizon.net> Message-ID: <080120080412.8370.48928D4000027FF8000020B222230706129B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> rextudio is considering your offer Jul-31-08 21:11:48 PDT Your offer price: US $4.99 Offer expires in: 47 hours 59 mins -------------- Original message from Ron : -------------- > Kermit Gray wrote: > > Andy, > > > > Did you notice he stole his description from Wouter's Naks.com website > > listing of the CR-07? > > > > I'll bid on it. I like paying way above market value for items. Why pay > > a fair price when you can pay too much? > > > > Phhht! > > > > For less than that price, you can buy a restored deck from Jeff Galin > > (ESL) and know you have a good tape deck! > > But this one is brand new, Andy. Still has > the factory sticker on the door! He bought > it for his old mother, who never used it > and on her death bed bade him to store it > for 25 years, then auction it off on ebay. > > He's a truthful man, he is. What, you don't > believe him? You should be ashamed of > yourself. > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:14 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > >> > >> OK, now things are getting RIDICULOUS..... > >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-7A-Discrete-Head-Cassette-Deck-Brand-New_W0QQit > emZ110275377662QQihZ001QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> *andy* > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > > > -- Kermit Gray > > notarbene at kvglabs.com > > KVG Laboratories > > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 1 06:15:51 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:15:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... In-Reply-To: <594594.52310.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <073020081614.16011.4890934F000592B000003E8B22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <594594.52310.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <080120080415.13282.48928DF6000B8174000033E222230706129B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Ram Hey, talk for yerself. I put in my bid. Who knows, he may forget his asking price and grant my birthday wish... -------------- Original message from shanti ramachandran : -------------- ANdy, Chill. No ones going to really buy this one. Or are they? Ram --- On Wed, 7/30/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 12:14 PM OK, now things are getting RIDICULOUS..... http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-7A-Discrete-Head-Cassette-Deck-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ110275377662QQihZ001QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Aug 1 06:29:35 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:29:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... In-Reply-To: <080120080412.8370.48928D4000027FF8000020B222230706129B0A02 D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> References: <073020081614.16011.4890934F000592B000003E8B22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8EFAA804-4017-4841-A76C-D07E45C6912D@kvglabs.com> <4892388F.8000906@verizon.net> <080120080412.8370.48928D4000027FF8000020B222230706129B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <20080801042935.BQUF4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Darn it! Someone here already outbid me. Okay, I'm willing to go to a dollar three eighty next time. At 12:12 AM 8/1/2008, you wrote: >rextudio is considering your offer Jul-31-08 21:11:48 PDT >[] > >Your offer price: US $4.99 >Offer expires in: 47 hours 59 mins Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Aug 1 13:50:04 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:50:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... Message-ID: <080120081150.16579.4892F86C0004330B000040C322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Bob wrote: "Andy, I may be too late for this since I've been away from e-mail for several days but what if you reversed the wires (channels)on the head would you get audio on the other channel now?" Hi, Bob: Oh, yes. I do get audio on the other channel when the wires are reversed. It's the head, there is no doubt about it. Still, it's strange that I would have two bad playback heads in a row on two different 700ZXL's. IMPORTANT NOTE TO EVERYONE: I am confident that this deck I am working on did NOT damage the playback head. I neglected to mention that I had measured the resistance of both sides of the replacement head before I installed it. It was OK on the right channel but it DID give me a MUCH lower than normal reading on the left channel -- just a few ohms, as opposed to just over 200 ohms on the right channel. I decided to install it anyway, just to see if things would improve at all, because the deck's original head measured completely open circuit in the left channel. The head gave me a couple of bursts of static, then died completely in the left channel. I gambled on the replacement head, I lost. But the deck didn't murder the head...it was suicide. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Aug 1 14:00:51 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:00:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... Message-ID: <080120081200.6846.4892FAF30007E1F900001ABE22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Roland wrote: "As soon as I saw your link, I knew EXACTLY which auction you were highlighting. Did you see what he wants for a CR1A?" Hi, Roland: No, I didn't see the CR-1A, but I see that he managed to get $500 for a "mint" CR-3A! Holy cow! >From now on, ALL of my auction items will be "mint"! If throwing around the word "mint" is all it takes to get THAT kind of money, count me in! (only kidding, here....) *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Aug 1 14:05:03 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:05:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... Message-ID: <080120081205.12739.4892FBEF000374DA000031C322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Ron wrote: "But this one is brand new, Andy. Still has the factory sticker on the door! He bought it for his old mother, who never used it and on her death bed bade him to store it for 25 years, then auction it off on ebay. He's a truthful man, he is. What, you don't believe him? You should be ashamed of yourself." Ron, you have convinced me! When you're right, you're right. I'm going over to eBay right now and seal this deal! What a bargain! LOL *andy* From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 16:44:13 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... In-Reply-To: <080120081150.16579.4892F86C0004330B000040C322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <908436.80746.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I thought you got the head from the owner and the one possibility was that the head had been on the deck, went bad, and then was replaced with the second head that was in it when you got. That also went bad in exactly the same way. If that is true, couldn't there be a problem with the deck? What is the history of the heads? You might want to know that before you put another good one in. David --- On Fri, 8/1/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 4:50 AM > Bob wrote: > > "Andy, I may be too late for this since I've been > away from e-mail for several > days but what if you reversed the wires (channels)on the > head would you get > audio on the other channel now?" > > > Hi, Bob: > > Oh, yes. I do get audio on the other channel when the > wires are reversed. It's the head, there is no doubt > about it. > > Still, it's strange that I would have two bad playback > heads in a row on two different 700ZXL's. > > IMPORTANT NOTE TO EVERYONE: I am confident that this deck I > am working on did NOT damage the playback head. I neglected > to mention that I had measured the resistance of both sides > of the replacement head before I installed it. It was OK on > the right channel but it DID give me a MUCH lower than > normal reading on the left channel -- just a few ohms, as > opposed to just over 200 ohms on the right channel. I > decided to install it anyway, just to see if things would > improve at all, because the deck's original head > measured completely open circuit in the left channel. The > head gave me a couple of bursts of static, then died > completely in the left channel. I gambled on the > replacement head, I lost. But the deck didn't murder > the head...it was suicide. > > > *andy* > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Aug 1 19:03:32 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:03:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... In-Reply-To: <908436.80746.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <080120081150.16579.4892F86C0004330B000040C322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <908436.80746.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910808011003w279efe91n424b1553c65af9ff@mail.gmail.com> A good way to know would be to let the channels swapped, use it for a while and see if the right channel gets damaged. 2008/8/1 fripp_em : > I thought you got the head from the owner and the one possibility was that the head had been on the deck, went bad, and then was replaced with the second head that was in it when you got. That also went bad in exactly the same way. > > If that is true, couldn't there be a problem with the deck? What is the history of the heads? You might want to know that before you put another good one in. > > David > > --- On Fri, 8/1/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > >> From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 4:50 AM >> Bob wrote: >> >> "Andy, I may be too late for this since I've been >> away from e-mail for several >> days but what if you reversed the wires (channels)on the >> head would you get >> audio on the other channel now?" >> >> >> Hi, Bob: >> >> Oh, yes. I do get audio on the other channel when the >> wires are reversed. It's the head, there is no doubt >> about it. >> >> Still, it's strange that I would have two bad playback >> heads in a row on two different 700ZXL's. >> >> IMPORTANT NOTE TO EVERYONE: I am confident that this deck I >> am working on did NOT damage the playback head. I neglected >> to mention that I had measured the resistance of both sides >> of the replacement head before I installed it. It was OK on >> the right channel but it DID give me a MUCH lower than >> normal reading on the left channel -- just a few ohms, as >> opposed to just over 200 ohms on the right channel. I >> decided to install it anyway, just to see if things would >> improve at all, because the deck's original head >> measured completely open circuit in the left channel. The >> head gave me a couple of bursts of static, then died >> completely in the left channel. I gambled on the >> replacement head, I lost. But the deck didn't murder >> the head...it was suicide. >> >> >> *andy* >> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Antoine Deschênes From luis at peromarta.org Fri Aug 1 20:01:44 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:01:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications In-Reply-To: <0MKp8S-1KOlT52Gvz-0005Q5@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKp8S-1KOlT52Gvz-0005Q5@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <189E37F3-6EF7-403C-A054-EB51ECB22875@peromarta.org> I'd go for a CR7, it has all the ammenities you refer out of the box ;) Best rgds, LP. El 01/08/2008, a las 5:37, Richard L. Hess escribió: > As some of you may recall, I do tape transfers with Nak Dragons (and > sometimes an MR-1 and other machines) and Studer A80s and Sony > APR-5000s mostly. > > Anyway, there are some poorly recorded tapes that don't do well with > the Dragon auto-azimuth. > > I was wondering if anyone has ever made mods to the auto azimuth to > modify how it works and/or make it manual. > > I have some ideas about what I want and what's possible, but I'd > like to hear anything you folks have done in this regard. > > For the record, I don't think a half dozen Dragons are mis- > performing and the same tape will behave the same way in multiple > machines. Serial numbers vary over at least 15,000 numbers IIRC. > > My basic concept is an external azimuth control/monitor box: > -- Digital readout of azimuth position > -- Azimuth hold (stop it where it is, and don't let it move even > during > a power off/on cycle) > -- Manual azimuth with a pot > > Conceptually I will do minimum mods to the Auto Azimuth board, > replace the Black Box connector with one with more pins, and make a > black aluminum diecast box that sits on top of the machine. > > Please let me know what you have done and what you guys think. > > Thanks! > > Cheers, > > Richard > > Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com > Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ > Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From luis at peromarta.org Fri Aug 1 20:04:59 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:04:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... In-Reply-To: <080120081205.12739.4892FBEF000374DA000031C322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <080120081205.12739.4892FBEF000374DA000031C322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <11D12D21-75CF-4FB6-9192-ACD0F335C64F@peromarta.org> Over my dead body ! I will make the mother of all bids on this deck ;) El 01/08/2008, a las 14:05, hwbosshoss at comcast.net escribió: > > > Ron, you have convinced me! When you're right, you're right. I'm > going over to eBay right now and seal this deal! What a bargain! > > LOL > > *andy* > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Aug 2 01:46:41 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:46:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] History of stereo recording In-Reply-To: <11D12D21-75CF-4FB6-9192-ACD0F335C64F@peromarta.org> References: <080120081205.12739.4892FBEF000374DA000031C322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <11D12D21-75CF-4FB6-9192-ACD0F335C64F@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <043001c8f430$dad7c340$908749c0$@com> For those interested in the history of stereo recording, see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7537782.stm If you are really interested, note the BST broadcast time for the radio programme about this because you should be able to hear it on the Internet. Alternatively, it MIGHT be available later as a Podcast that you'll be able to download - not sure but it's highly likely Graham From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 06:07:31 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications In-Reply-To: <0MKp8S-1KOlT52Gvz-0005Q5@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <675150.7200.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Richard,   The best deck that accomplishes this would be the CR7. The '7 uses a processor controlled manual azimuth adjustment which stays in position even when powered up. The only time it automatically adjusts to center position is when you do an auto-cal on a blank (or to be recorded tape).   By making a hardware mod on the '7, you can adjust the resolution of the step size of the azimuth alignment. This gives more precise alignment steps but at the expense of halving the span or the degree of azimuth you could adjust.   Through my own experience in archiving tapes, I find that the Dragon has troubles with some tapes and this is where the CR7 comes into its own.   Are you still using the Sony W33 recorder?   Cheers Bala --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Richard L. Hess wrote: From: Richard L. Hess Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 11:37 AM As some of you may recall, I do tape transfers with Nak Dragons (and sometimes an MR-1 and other machines) and Studer A80s and Sony APR-5000s mostly. Anyway, there are some poorly recorded tapes that don't do well with the Dragon auto-azimuth. I was wondering if anyone has ever made mods to the auto azimuth to modify how it works and/or make it manual. I have some ideas about what I want and what's possible, but I'd like to hear anything you folks have done in this regard. For the record, I don't think a half dozen Dragons are mis-performing and the same tape will behave the same way in multiple machines. Serial numbers vary over at least 15,000 numbers IIRC. My basic concept is an external azimuth control/monitor box: -- Digital readout of azimuth position -- Azimuth hold (stop it where it is, and don't let it move even during a power off/on cycle) -- Manual azimuth with a pot Conceptually I will do minimum mods to the Auto Azimuth board, replace the Black Box connector with one with more pins, and make a black aluminum diecast box that sits on top of the machine. Please let me know what you have done and what you guys think. Thanks! Cheers, Richard Richard L. 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URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Fri Aug 1 23:43:18 2008 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:43:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications In-Reply-To: <189E37F3-6EF7-403C-A054-EB51ECB22875@peromarta.org> References: <0MKp8S-1KOlT52Gvz-0005Q5@mrelay.perfora.net> <189E37F3-6EF7-403C-A054-EB51ECB22875@peromarta.org> Message-ID: I absolutely second Luis' comments. As a broadcaster and serious audio person who has worked with cassettes since the '70s in my studio -- cassettes made on my own several decks, those at radio stations and other studios, those of strangers, and commercially pre-recorded tapes -- it did not take long to realize the real world vagaries that affect azimuth, Dolby tracking, etc...and manage to cause the most frustrating combinations of "muddy" or otherwise "just not right sound." In short, all the lurking gremlins that cause snobs to sniff at cassette fidelity. Owning my first CR-7A was a revelation, in terms of easily dealing with this gremlin. I've always found the quickest route to proper azimuth -- hence best H/F response (assuming no Dolby irregularities or improperly biased recordings -- and that's a lot to assume in this medium!!!), when archiving or producing with cassette was to at least initially monitor in combined-channel mono and simply turn the azi knob on the CR-7 until the best presence of high frequencies emerged. Once you hit it, you can't miss it -- kinda like focusing an SLR camera with a wide-aperture lens. Unless the tape came from some funky piece of crap deck that could not maintain azimuth on the same side of the cassette while recording a simple C-60 or -90, or is a defective cassette, that setting on the CR-7 could be considered "accurate" for the tape being copied, and you could then switch back to listening in stereo; although, if I had the slightest doubt over the provenance of the tape, I'd continue to monitor in MONO. That was of particular importance if there was any chance the resultant tape copy might end up being broadcast. Azimuth errors can sometimes pass in stereo, but that swishy sound coming out of a mono radio's speaker resulting from sloppy attention to azimuth was anywhere from "dulled" to downright nasty. I might add that the azimuth check, especially on tapes from unknown sources, should also be carried out at the top of Side B, to allow for different azimuth tracking on, say, auto-reverse decks that happened not to be Nakamichi RX-series! Naturally, as an audio enthusiast, I was enticed by the idea that a Dragon could do all of this automatically! Like Richard, I found that process to look better on the spec sheets than in actual practice. Guess I have a particular sensitivity to drifting azimuth, but there were too many cases where the Dragon kept "searching out" the proper azimuth. Nice to know your deck was vigilently serving the Azimuth God...but kinda funky to have to listen through its genuflections. I quickly resumed my loyalty to -- and respect for -- the CR-7 as a dependable deck that allows its owner/operator to decide when azimuth is correct and not drive him crazy while it constantly "fine-tunes," resulting in azi coming in and out. Sexy maybe. Practical? Hell, no. By the way, the above narrative is not me shilling for the guy on ebay who wants five grand for a CR-7 ;-) Just me speaking plainly as an admiring owner of two of these decks. Anybody wanna buy a low-mileage Dragon? BTW, everything I've written about the advantages of MANUAL azimuth correction would also apply to the DR-1, which I also own. That's my 2 cents. Regards, Steve Ember > From: luis at peromarta.org> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:01:44 +0200> > I'd go for a CR7, it has all the ammenities you refer out of the box ;)> > Best rgds, LP.> > El 01/08/2008, a las 5:37, Richard L. Hess escribió:> > > As some of you may recall, I do tape transfers with Nak Dragons (and > > sometimes an MR-1 and other machines) and Studer A80s and Sony > > APR-5000s mostly.> >> > Anyway, there are some poorly recorded tapes that don't do well with > > the Dragon auto-azimuth.> >> > I was wondering if anyone has ever made mods to the auto azimuth to > > modify how it works and/or make it manual.> >> > I have some ideas about what I want and what's possible, but I'd > > like to hear anything you folks have done in this regard.> >> > For the record, I don't think a half dozen Dragons are mis- > > performing and the same tape will behave the same way in multiple > > machines. Serial numbers vary over at least 15,000 numbers IIRC.> >> > My basic concept is an external azimuth control/monitor box:> > -- Digital readout of azimuth position> > -- Azimuth hold (stop it where it is, and don't let it move even > > during> > a power off/on cycle)> > -- Manual azimuth with a pot> >> > Conceptually I will do minimum mods to the Auto Azimuth board, > > replace the Black Box connector with one with more pins, and make a > > black aluminum diecast box that sits on top of the machine.> >> > Please let me know what you have done and what you guys think.> >> > Thanks!> >> > Cheers,> >> > Richard> >> > Richard L. 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URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Fri Aug 1 20:45:17 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:45:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications In-Reply-To: <189E37F3-6EF7-403C-A054-EB51ECB22875@peromarta.org> References: <0MKp8S-1KOlT52Gvz-0005Q5@mrelay.perfora.net> <189E37F3-6EF7-403C-A054-EB51ECB22875@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <000c01c8f406$c0da1d00$428e5700$@utah.edu> I have thought of doing this myself as well. Questions: are you transferring in reverse mode? Or only forward? Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:02 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications I'd go for a CR7, it has all the ammenities you refer out of the box ;) Best rgds, LP. El 01/08/2008, a las 5:37, Richard L. Hess escribió: > As some of you may recall, I do tape transfers with Nak Dragons (and > sometimes an MR-1 and other machines) and Studer A80s and Sony > APR-5000s mostly. > > Anyway, there are some poorly recorded tapes that don't do well with > the Dragon auto-azimuth. > > I was wondering if anyone has ever made mods to the auto azimuth to > modify how it works and/or make it manual. > > I have some ideas about what I want and what's possible, but I'd > like to hear anything you folks have done in this regard. > > For the record, I don't think a half dozen Dragons are mis- > performing and the same tape will behave the same way in multiple > machines. Serial numbers vary over at least 15,000 numbers IIRC. > > My basic concept is an external azimuth control/monitor box: > -- Digital readout of azimuth position > -- Azimuth hold (stop it where it is, and don't let it move even > during > a power off/on cycle) > -- Manual azimuth with a pot > > Conceptually I will do minimum mods to the Auto Azimuth board, > replace the Black Box connector with one with more pins, and make a > black aluminum diecast box that sits on top of the machine. > > Please let me know what you have done and what you guys think. > > Thanks! > > Cheers, > > Richard > > Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com > Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ > Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lists at richardhess.com Fri Aug 1 17:00:20 2008 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:00:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... In-Reply-To: <908436.80746.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <080120081150.16579.4892F86C0004330B000040C322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <908436.80746.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0MKp8S-1KOw7z0G2j-0005Tg@mrelay.perfora.net> Some thoughts: (1) It is much better to use an inductance meter than an ohmmeter to measure a head. This is because the ohmmeter puts DC into the head and _may_ magnetize it. I doubt there is enough current from any digital ohmmeter to open the head winding, but the wire is very fine. www.web-tronics.com has an inexpensive inductance/capacitance meter (or did). (2) It is known with Ampex AG-440 recorders that a shorted record amp output cap will blow the record head. While this is less likely in play heads, it is conceivable that a component failure or series of component failures could put enough voltage/current into the head to open it. Many designs feed the first stage DC bias through the head. This includes Studer. I haven't studied that part of Nakamichi circuits enough to know for sure. (3) Capacitors DO fail and are the most likely failed component on decks as old as our Nakamichis. The motherboard (basis board) power supply bypass capacitors on the Studer A810s that were made in the early 1980s are ripe for failure, for example. Cheers, Richard At 10:44 AM 2008-08-01, you wrote: >I thought you got the head from the owner and the one possibility >was that the head had been on the deck, went bad, and then was >replaced with the second head that was in it when you got. That >also went bad in exactly the same way. > >If that is true, couldn't there be a problem with the deck? What is >the history of the heads? You might want to know that before you >put another good one in. > >David > >--- On Fri, 8/1/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net >wrote in part: > > > IMPORTANT NOTE TO EVERYONE: I am confident that this deck I > > am working on did NOT damage the playback head. I neglected > > to mention that I had measured the resistance of both sides > > of the replacement head before I installed it. It was OK on > > the right channel but it DID give me a MUCH lower than > > normal reading on the left channel -- just a few ohms, as > > opposed to just over 200 ohms on the right channel. I > > decided to install it anyway, just to see if things would > > improve at all, because the deck's original head > > measured completely open circuit in the left channel. The > > head gave me a couple of bursts of static, then died > > completely in the left channel. I gambled on the > > replacement head, I lost. But the deck didn't murder > > the head...it was suicide. Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From mrm12000 at cableone.net Fri Aug 1 22:06:33 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:06:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] B&O documents online? Message-ID: <3004.1217621193@cableone.net> Does anyone know if a collection of Bang & Olufsen documents exists on the Internet? I need user and service manuals for the Beogram TX turntable. Vinyl Engine doesn't have them. Thanks! ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 1 16:08:16 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... In-Reply-To: <080120080415.13282.48928DF6000B8174000033E222230706129B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <255296.46634.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dino, Wish you lots of luck getting it! :0) Ram --- On Fri, 8/1/08, ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 12:15 AM Ram   Hey, talk for yerself. I put in my bid. Who knows, he may forget his asking price and grant my birthday wish... -------------- Original message from shanti ramachandran : -------------- ANdy,   Chill. No ones going to really buy this one. Or are they?   Ram --- On Wed, 7/30/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 12:14 PM OK, now things are getting RIDICULOUS..... http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-7A-Discrete-Head-Cassette-Deck-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ110275377662QQihZ001QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I will admit to (within a particular batch) perhaps looking first at one that interests me for some reason, but I almost always do the whole batch at once anyways so all of the waiting ones do pretty much get done at the same time in practice, if not in actuality.-kby > David, et al > > Other Mods will correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I can see, > posts are > attended to in order of their arrival, not randomly. I've no idea > why the > posts may be coming in different order except to say we have > exactly the > same problem with posts from a Writers' Yahoo group, of which I am a > co-owner. Indeed, with here and the Yahoo group it is common for me > to see > the live post before the automated notification for moderation! > (How weird > is that?) > > Graham > > PS Unlike me, I don't think you've ever said anything stupid anyway! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Fri Aug 1 15:42:59 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:42:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 8096-"D2" ORDERS SHIPPED 8/1/08 Message-ID: <489312E3.7050807@marrscommunications.com> Hello, All orders for the 8096D-2 where shipped today 8/1/08. I have visually inspected EVERY belt received in the initial order. They look very, very good. I look forward to testing results. Thank you to everyone who has already placed a order! Fred M. From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Aug 2 03:07:41 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:"I do solemnly swear..." Yeah, you might but In-Reply-To: <200808011010.m71A7w36007887@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <431198.52556.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hmmmmm...is this the same 'Ron' that so bitterly attacked Kermit over tape head demagnetizing and asked to see Kermit's supposed "super cassette" deck? Unless it's your evil twin, a bipolar Ron, A Drunken Clam Ron, or your dopolganger, I'd say that in the past, ad hominem attacks were your specialty. I mean I don't care dude and I'm not waving a sword, but I can't forget such disruptions in the recent past, especially with a professional as well known and liked as Kermit. You do know your Naks however, far better than I and most everyone here welcomes your technical advice. As far as "ugly eruptions", I think the person who attacked *andy* here as nothing more than a country hack should be banned. He went further to say that *andy* had made my deck (RX-505) a "Frankenstein deck" and had ruined it. That is a total fabrication, a lie and he knows nothing of my deck and its present status. A long time ago he was banned here and I can certainly see why. Recently he stalked me over at the Tape asylum and tried to discredit me. Given his personal situation and the time he has on his hands, I can only feel sorry that it's not put to better use. Moderation in any form is tricky....a balance of not doing really anything but fostering positive dialog, while booting the miscreants that enjoy ad hominem attacks. Almost no moderation is best, I've found...or leading by example, etc. Kevin Message: 1 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:00:43 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] "I do solemnly swear..." Yeah, you might but what about the others? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <489065FB.2030608 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed While I largely agree with you, may I point out that this is typical of *all* audio related groups. There is something to this hobby that makes people passionate to the point of belligerence. This is why I no longer participate in audio related news groups, where flaming and ad hominem attacks are a constant ugly presence. Some posters there hardly ever deal with audio topics, but limit their posts to constantly telling others what idiots they are. Compared to such groups, this list has had but few such ugly eruptions. I wonder if they justify constant moderation. Perhaps the 'moderation by exception' approach would serve just as well, allowing timely publications while lessening moderators work load. -- Ron From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Aug 2 15:32:40 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:32:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] "I do solemnly swear..." In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <06f001c8f4a4$3df55000$b9dff000$@com> Kimo Thanks for the correction. I had assumed it was fifo, as it is for Yahoo groups. I suppose then, that could make a small difference to the order in which posts are delivered. (It still doesn't explain why I often get approved posts before moderation request notices - I imagine the only explanation for that must be the different pathways by which an email travels from source to destiny - half way around the World or twice around it!) Graham From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 8:35 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] "I do solemnly swear..." .... in a given batch, I don't think mailman presents them as fifo but as alpha by submitter, so in general that is the way I go. .but I almost always do the whole batch at once anyways so all of the waiting ones do pretty much get done at the same time in practice, if not in actuality.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrm12000 at cableone.net Sat Aug 2 12:37:01 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 03:37:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] B&O documents online? Message-ID: <1166.1217673421@cableone.net> Found it. In case someone is interested: http://www.beocollectors.com/downloads.html On Fri Aug 1 13:06 , "mrm12000 at cableone.net" sent: >Does anyone know if a collection of Bang & Olufsen documents exists on the >Internet? I need user and service manuals for the Beogram TX turntable. Vinyl >Engine doesn't have them. > >Thanks! >---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From lists at richardhess.com Sat Aug 2 20:09:37 2008 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:09:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications In-Reply-To: <000c01c8f406$c0da1d00$428e5700$@utah.edu> References: <0MKp8S-1KOlT52Gvz-0005Q5@mrelay.perfora.net> <189E37F3-6EF7-403C-A054-EB51ECB22875@peromarta.org> <000c01c8f406$c0da1d00$428e5700$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <0MKp8S-1KPLYd3OP0-0005tf@mrelay.perfora.net> Hello, Victor, It is a non-trivial circuit to understand, but I think I'm slowly understanding parts of it -- the parts I need to understand to make this work. The nice thing is that you fully compensate for the record head azimuth misalignment for both sides once you capture it for one side (if both sides were recorded on the same machine) MINUS the shell abnormalities. By capturing in both directions, I think you mean using forward and reverse play one after the other. I do that, though on one machine I find reverse play to not be as good as forward play, and sometimes other machines don't do reverse play as well with C120 tapes (I know I know, but that's what clients give me). I would like to do forward only, and the azimuth lock is attractive for that. The other type of capturing both directions at once -- since there are six playback preamps in the Dragon -- is to fit two more outputs to the unit. While this is possible, there is even more fussy engineering to duplicate the Dragon's audio/EQ circuitry so that the two directions would match. Bringing out the four preamps to separate EQ/booster amps is doable, but more work than I want to do at the moment. I use external Dolby 422 decoders anyway as level matching is all over the place with Dolby cassettes and you can align it better by ear than anything else considering the HF loss over 20 years plus the original adjustment tolerances. Having the wonderful four-channel play head in the Dragon is a temptation, however, and one plus is that capturing all four tracks in one pass would reduce wear on the head and mechanism by 50%. Cheers, Richard At 02:45 PM 2008-08-01, Victor Gabrenas wrote: >I have thought of doing this myself as well. > >Questions: are you transferring in reverse mode? Or only forward? > > >Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 >University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 >Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Luis Peromarta >Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:02 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications > >I'd go for a CR7, it has all the ammenities you refer out of the box ;) > >Best rgds, LP. > >El 01/08/2008, a las 5:37, Richard L. Hess escribió: > > > As some of you may recall, I do tape transfers with Nak Dragons (and > > sometimes an MR-1 and other machines) and Studer A80s and Sony > > APR-5000s mostly. > > > > Anyway, there are some poorly recorded tapes that don't do well with > > the Dragon auto-azimuth. > > > > I was wondering if anyone has ever made mods to the auto azimuth to > > modify how it works and/or make it manual. > > > > I have some ideas about what I want and what's possible, but I'd > > like to hear anything you folks have done in this regard. > > > > For the record, I don't think a half dozen Dragons are mis- > > performing and the same tape will behave the same way in multiple > > machines. Serial numbers vary over at least 15,000 numbers IIRC. > > > > My basic concept is an external azimuth control/monitor box: > > -- Digital readout of azimuth position > > -- Azimuth hold (stop it where it is, and don't let it move even > > during > > a power off/on cycle) > > -- Manual azimuth with a pot > > > > Conceptually I will do minimum mods to the Auto Azimuth board, > > replace the Black Box connector with one with more pins, and make a > > black aluminum diecast box that sits on top of the machine. > > > > Please let me know what you have done and what you guys think. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Richard > > Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Aug 3 05:19:14 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:19:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] History of stereo recording In-Reply-To: <043001c8f430$dad7c340$908749c0$@com> References: <080120081205.12739.4892FBEF000374DA000031C322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <11D12D21-75CF-4FB6-9192-ACD0F335C64F@peromarta.org> <043001c8f430$dad7c340$908749c0$@com> Message-ID: <489523B2.7020102@yahoo.ca> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/archivehour/pip/i7o6j/ There's the link, but "Listen again" doesn't work. (It opens iPlayer and wants to play an empty RealAudio file...) Graham A Nelson a écrit : > For those interested in the history of stereo recording, see > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7537782.stm If you are really > interested, note the BST broadcast time for the radio programme about this > because you should be able to hear it on the Internet. Alternatively, it > MIGHT be available later as a Podcast that you'll be able to download - not > sure but it's highly likely > > Graham > > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Aug 3 18:46:25 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:46:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] History of stereo recording In-Reply-To: <4895D866.5060109@yahoo.ca> References: <080120081205.12739.4892FBEF000374DA000031C322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <11D12D21-75CF-4FB6-9192-ACD0F335C64F@peromarta.org> <043001c8f430$dad7c340$908749c0$@com> <489523B2.7020102@yahoo.ca> <021d01c8f555$ceca7860$6c5f6920$@com> <4895D866.5060109@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <001701c8f588$7a48d510$6eda7f30$@com> Go here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/atoz/index.shtml#a Click on Archive Hour and it will take you directly to the programme. Graham From jmamarnani at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Aug 3 15:40:47 2008 From: jmamarnani at blueyonder.co.uk (jmamarnani at blueyonder.co.uk) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:40:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 - Recording Problem Message-ID: <33485.82.44.75.60.1217770847.VFAUQmtJTEx3RB0Q.squirrel@82.44.75.60> Hello, CR7 Recording - Only records one channel. On playback it is the right channel. When recording and source is selected, both left and right levels light up. Changing to monitor, it is only the right level indicator that lights up and it is the left recording level control that affects the level. Help! Thank you for your time, Knackeredmichi From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sun Aug 3 17:42:43 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:42:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications References: <0MKp8S-1KOlT52Gvz-0005Q5@mrelay.perfora.net> <189E37F3-6EF7-403C-A054-EB51ECB22875@peromarta.org> <000c01c8f406$c0da1d00$428e5700$@utah.edu> <0MKp8S-1KPLYd3OP0-0005tf@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <001101c8f57f$91e89650$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Hello Richard, I have a Dragon with an after-market external azimuth box that reads out azimuth in minutes and allows manual control, I haven't had much chance to play with it and won't have until winter, but I have noticed that the Dragon can adjust for about 18 minutes of azimuth angle in each direction and this doesn't seem to be enough for some tapes, although flipping the tape will almost always bring it into range. The unit is very high quality and is made by a company called CBS Technology Center. Rainer i---- Original Message ----- From: "Richard L. Hess" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications > Hello, Victor, > > It is a non-trivial circuit to understand, but I think I'm slowly > understanding parts of it -- the parts I need to understand to make this > work. > > The nice thing is that you fully compensate for the record head azimuth > misalignment for both sides once you capture it for one side (if both > sides were recorded on the same machine) MINUS the shell abnormalities. > > By capturing in both directions, I think you mean using forward and > reverse play one after the other. I do that, though on one machine I find > reverse play to not be as good as forward play, and sometimes other > machines don't do reverse play as well with C120 tapes (I know I know, but > that's what clients give me). > > I would like to do forward only, and the azimuth lock is attractive for > that. > > The other type of capturing both directions at once -- since there are six > playback preamps in the Dragon -- is to fit two more outputs to the unit. > While this is possible, there is even more fussy engineering to duplicate > the Dragon's audio/EQ circuitry so that the two directions would match. > Bringing out the four preamps to separate EQ/booster amps is doable, but > more work than I want to do at the moment. I use external Dolby 422 > decoders anyway as level matching is all over the place with Dolby > cassettes and you can align it better by ear than anything else > considering the HF loss over 20 years plus the original adjustment > tolerances. > > Having the wonderful four-channel play head in the Dragon is a temptation, > however, and one plus is that capturing all four tracks in one pass would > reduce wear on the head and mechanism by 50%. > > Cheers, > > Richard > > At 02:45 PM 2008-08-01, Victor Gabrenas wrote: >>I have thought of doing this myself as well. >> >>Questions: are you transferring in reverse mode? Or only forward? >> >> >>Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 >>University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 >>Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >>155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: >>http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >>Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>Of Luis Peromarta >>Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:02 PM >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications >> >>I'd go for a CR7, it has all the ammenities you refer out of the box ;) >> >>Best rgds, LP. >> >>El 01/08/2008, a las 5:37, Richard L. Hess escribió: >> >> > As some of you may recall, I do tape transfers with Nak Dragons (and >> > sometimes an MR-1 and other machines) and Studer A80s and Sony >> > APR-5000s mostly. >> > >> > Anyway, there are some poorly recorded tapes that don't do well with >> > the Dragon auto-azimuth. >> > >> > I was wondering if anyone has ever made mods to the auto azimuth to >> > modify how it works and/or make it manual. >> > >> > I have some ideas about what I want and what's possible, but I'd >> > like to hear anything you folks have done in this regard. >> > >> > For the record, I don't think a half dozen Dragons are mis- >> > performing and the same tape will behave the same way in multiple >> > machines. Serial numbers vary over at least 15,000 numbers IIRC. >> > >> > My basic concept is an external azimuth control/monitor box: >> > -- Digital readout of azimuth position >> > -- Azimuth hold (stop it where it is, and don't let it move even >> > during >> > a power off/on cycle) >> > -- Manual azimuth with a pot >> > >> > Conceptually I will do minimum mods to the Auto Azimuth board, >> > replace the Black Box connector with one with more pins, and make a >> > black aluminum diecast box that sits on top of the machine. >> > >> > Please let me know what you have done and what you guys think. >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Richard >> > > > Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com > Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ > Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From el34guy at aol.com Sun Aug 3 18:07:59 2008 From: el34guy at aol.com (el34guy at aol.com) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:07:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 682zx dolby board caps Message-ID: <8CAC39A3BE5EE06-65C-169C@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> Hello, Does anyone have any suggestions for replacing the caps on my 682zx dolby board? Im having issues with the Dolby B and C circuit fading out after about 2-3 secs. Thanks Mark From mrm12000 at cableone.net Sun Aug 3 20:39:08 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:39:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Free CrO2 tapes Message-ID: <3211.1217788748@cableone.net> I bought two huge lots of music that included hundreds of cassette tapes, including many, many used Maxell, Denon and TDK CrO2 tapes, mostly 90s but some 60s. I have plenty of these that are unopened, so I have no use for all of those I bought. Therefore I'm offering these tapes free; you only have to pay for postage. After erasing, they will make great recordings. There are cases for all of them, though some are scratched and/or dusty. I have about 100 to give away. If you want 'em, just let me know. I'll split them up based on the number of responses I get. ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From boytchik1 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 3 20:13:44 2008 From: boytchik1 at hotmail.com (Gutte Neshome) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:13:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 - Recording Problem In-Reply-To: <33485.82.44.75.60.1217770847.VFAUQmtJTEx3RB0Q.squirrel@82.44.75.60> References: <33485.82.44.75.60.1217770847.VFAUQmtJTEx3RB0Q.squirrel@82.44.75.60> Message-ID: Ship to Steve Sank for repair......> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:40:47 +0100> From: jmamarnani at blueyonder.co.uk> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] CR7 - Recording Problem> > Hello,> > CR7> > Recording - Only records one channel. On playback it is the right channel.> When recording and source is selected, both left and right levels light> up. Changing to monitor, it is only the right level indicator that lights> up and it is the left recording level control that affects the level.> > Help!> > Thank you for your time,> Knackeredmichi> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get more from your digital life. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home2_082008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 20:58:19 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 11:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 - Recording Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <824074.20328.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> So last I heard Sank had something like a 2 to 4 year turn around on his work? Is he back in business and do members have good customer service and turn around to report? I wouldn't recommend anyone unless I knew there were current good reviews of that person's work that replaced the "help I can't get my deck back" messages we all observed. Perhaps Mr. Sank would like to come on the list and give us an update. If someone is in contact with him it would be nice to hear from him. Didn't some members give up on getting their deck back? David --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Gutte Neshome wrote: > Ship to Steve Sank for repair...... From willyherm at gmail.com Sun Aug 3 21:07:33 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 12:07:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 - Recording Problem In-Reply-To: <824074.20328.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <489601ff.20038e0a.1dbf.4261@mx.google.com> I am doing repair work and have a short turn around time. I think you'll find that the members who have used my services have been happy. Willy Hermann -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of fripp_em Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:58 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 - Recording Problem So last I heard Sank had something like a 2 to 4 year turn around on his work? Is he back in business and do members have good customer service and turn around to report? I wouldn't recommend anyone unless I knew there were current good reviews of that person's work that replaced the "help I can't get my deck back" messages we all observed. Perhaps Mr. Sank would like to come on the list and give us an update. If someone is in contact with him it would be nice to hear from him. Didn't some members give up on getting their deck back? David --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Gutte Neshome wrote: > Ship to Steve Sank for repair...... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Aug 3 22:46:24 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:46:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nak info' from Haden Boardman Message-ID: <13937072.1217796384018.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Aug 3 23:01:57 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 16:01:57 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... Message-ID: <17224384.1217797317843.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I am working on a 700ZXL with an open play head. There must be a bad run of heads. Save the defective heads. I'll get one under the microscope and try to get the potting out. It may be a broken wire between the coil and the solder post. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Aug 1, 2008 6:50 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... > > >Bob wrote: > >"Andy, I may be too late for this since I've been away from e-mail for several >days but what if you reversed the wires (channels)on the head would you get >audio on the other channel now?" > > >Hi, Bob: > >Oh, yes. I do get audio on the other channel when the wires are reversed. It's the head, there is no doubt about it. > >Still, it's strange that I would have two bad playback heads in a row on two different 700ZXL's. > >IMPORTANT NOTE TO EVERYONE: I am confident that this deck I am working on did NOT damage the playback head. I neglected to mention that I had measured the resistance of both sides of the replacement head before I installed it. It was OK on the right channel but it DID give me a MUCH lower than normal reading on the left channel -- just a few ohms, as opposed to just over 200 ohms on the right channel. I decided to install it anyway, just to see if things would improve at all, because the deck's original head measured completely open circuit in the left channel. The head gave me a couple of bursts of static, then died completely in the left channel. I gambled on the replacement head, I lost. But the deck didn't murder the head...it was suicide. > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Aug 3 23:07:17 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 16:07:17 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Free CrO2 tapes Message-ID: <21034153.1217797637274.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I love to get some genuine CHROME tapes, not type 2 tapes like TDK-SA, but genuine chrome, if there are anyI don't think the 3 brands you mentioned made chrome, but Scotch, BASF, Memorex, and others did. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: "mrm12000 at cableone.net" >Sent: Aug 3, 2008 1:39 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Free CrO2 tapes > >I bought two huge lots of music that included hundreds of cassette tapes, including many, many used >Maxell, Denon and TDK CrO2 tapes, mostly 90s but some 60s. I have plenty of these that are unopened, >so I have no use for all of those I bought. Therefore I'm offering these tapes free; you only have to >pay for postage. After erasing, they will make great recordings. There are cases for all of them, >though some are scratched and/or dusty. > >I have about 100 to give away. If you want 'em, just let me know. I'll split them up based on the >number of responses I get. >---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From lists at richardhess.com Sun Aug 3 21:12:07 2008 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:12:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications In-Reply-To: <001101c8f57f$91e89650$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <0MKp8S-1KOlT52Gvz-0005Q5@mrelay.perfora.net> <189E37F3-6EF7-403C-A054-EB51ECB22875@peromarta.org> <000c01c8f406$c0da1d00$428e5700$@utah.edu> <0MKp8S-1KPLYd3OP0-0005tf@mrelay.perfora.net> <001101c8f57f$91e89650$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <0MKp8S-1KPj8U0wXY-0005XK@mrelay.perfora.net> Hello, Rainer, That is interesting! CBS Technology Center wasn't a "real" manufacturer as far as I know. It was the later name for CBS Laboratories--the folks who brought you the LP record and worked on the SQ quadraphonic system. I _suspect_ that this was manufactured in small quantities for in-house quality assurance/quality control at cassette mastering plants. You wouldn't happen to have a schematic of this device, would you? What I'm especially interested in is how to convert the azimuth motor position sensor to minutes of arc as apparently they have done. Does it read +/- 18 minutes? I think I can make it do that with the addition of two more resistors and a zero trim control. Scaling it down to +/- 18 would be no problem with my plan, either. How does your box connect to the Dragon? How many pins in the connector? Additional connector or in place of the Black Box connector? Thanks! Richard Thanks! Richard At 11:42 AM 2008-08-03, you wrote: >Hello Richard, I have a Dragon with an >after-market external azimuth box that reads out >azimuth in minutes and allows manual control, I >haven't had much chance to play with it and >won't have until winter, but I have noticed that >the Dragon can adjust for about 18 minutes of >azimuth angle in each direction and this doesn't >seem to be enough for some tapes, although >flipping the tape will almost always bring it >into range. The unit is very high quality and is >made by a company called CBS Technology Center. > >Rainer > > >i---- Original Message ----- From: "Richard L. Hess" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 12:09 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications > > >>Hello, Victor, >> >>It is a non-trivial circuit to understand, but >>I think I'm slowly understanding parts of it -- >>the parts I need to understand to make this work. >> >>The nice thing is that you fully compensate for >>the record head azimuth misalignment for both >>sides once you capture it for one side (if both >>sides were recorded on the same machine) MINUS the shell abnormalities. >> >>By capturing in both directions, I think you >>mean using forward and reverse play one after >>the other. I do that, though on one machine I >>find reverse play to not be as good as forward >>play, and sometimes other machines don't do >>reverse play as well with C120 tapes (I know I >>know, but that's what clients give me). >> >>I would like to do forward only, and the azimuth lock is attractive for that. >> >>The other type of capturing both directions at >>once -- since there are six playback preamps in >>the Dragon -- is to fit two more outputs to the >>unit. While this is possible, there is even >>more fussy engineering to duplicate the >>Dragon's audio/EQ circuitry so that the two >>directions would match. Bringing out the four >>preamps to separate EQ/booster amps is doable, >>but more work than I want to do at the moment. >>I use external Dolby 422 decoders anyway as >>level matching is all over the place with Dolby >>cassettes and you can align it better by ear >>than anything else considering the HF loss over >>20 years plus the original adjustment tolerances. >> >>Having the wonderful four-channel play head in >>the Dragon is a temptation, however, and one >>plus is that capturing all four tracks in one >>pass would reduce wear on the head and mechanism by 50%. >> >>Cheers, >> >>Richard >> >>At 02:45 PM 2008-08-01, Victor Gabrenas wrote: >>>I have thought of doing this myself as well. >>> >>>Questions: are you transferring in reverse mode? Or only forward? >>> >>> >>>Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 >>>University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 >>>Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >>>155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >>>Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>>Of Luis Peromarta >>>Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:02 PM >>>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications >>> >>>I'd go for a CR7, it has all the ammenities you refer out of the box ;) >>> >>>Best rgds, LP. >>> >>>El 01/08/2008, a las 5:37, Richard L. Hess escribió: >>> >>> > As some of you may recall, I do tape transfers with Nak Dragons (and >>> > sometimes an MR-1 and other machines) and Studer A80s and Sony >>> > APR-5000s mostly. >>> > >>> > Anyway, there are some poorly recorded tapes that don't do well with >>> > the Dragon auto-azimuth. >>> > >>> > I was wondering if anyone has ever made mods to the auto azimuth to >>> > modify how it works and/or make it manual. >>> > >>> > I have some ideas about what I want and what's possible, but I'd >>> > like to hear anything you folks have done in this regard. >>> > >>> > For the record, I don't think a half dozen Dragons are mis- >>> > performing and the same tape will behave the same way in multiple >>> > machines. Serial numbers vary over at least 15,000 numbers IIRC. >>> > >>> > My basic concept is an external azimuth control/monitor box: >>> > -- Digital readout of azimuth position >>> > -- Azimuth hold (stop it where it is, and don't let it move even >>> > during >>> > a power off/on cycle) >>> > -- Manual azimuth with a pot >>> > >>> > Conceptually I will do minimum mods to the Auto Azimuth board, >>> > replace the Black Box connector with one with more pins, and make a >>> > black aluminum diecast box that sits on top of the machine. >>> > >>> > Please let me know what you have done and what you guys think. >>> > >>> > Thanks! >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > >>> > Richard >>> > >> >>Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com >>Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ >>Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From el34guy at aol.com Sun Aug 3 22:00:46 2008 From: el34guy at aol.com (el34guy at aol.com) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:00:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Free CrO2 tapes In-Reply-To: <3211.1217788748@cableone.net> References: <3211.1217788748@cableone.net> Message-ID: <8CAC3BAC0BC52FB-130-336B@WEBMAIL-MA08.sysops.aol.com> hello i would take at least twenty mark From bennyly at web.de Sun Aug 3 22:43:07 2008 From: bennyly at web.de (Ben Beddig) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:43:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] new head for BX 100 2 head deck Message-ID: <299867810@web.de> hello everybody i am new in the nak talk and want to know if and where to by a new head for my BX-100E deck. i know this maschine is more simple than the 3 headed decks but i have lots of tapes recorded with it. guess what happened: suddenly while listening to some jazz one channel (right) looses sound and then went off. next day i disassembled it and measured that the head is dead. Left channel has nice 270 OHMs DC, the other had more than 20 MegaOhms. the rest of the elektronok is fine, even the input coupling electrolytic caps. for having musik i fetched an old cheap deck and pulled out the head there. mechnicaly interchangeable i put it in the nak and listened a few tapes. amasingly how much better is a Nak elektronik instead of a cheap DeckŽs one, because the "new" sound is not as bad. But it is not the Nak sound anymore. thanks for reading hope somebody knows where to by a new "NAK" Head. good wishes to everybody reading this from Hamburg, germany Benny B. ____________________________________________________________________ Ihre Messenger, Communities und E-Mails jetzt in einem Programm! WEB.DE MultiMessenger http://www.produkte.web.de/messenger/?did=3071 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I wouldn't recommend anyone unless I knew > there were current good reviews of that person's work that replaced the > "help I can't get my deck back" messages we all observed. > > Perhaps Mr. Sank would like to come on the list and give us an update. If > someone is in contact with him it would be nice to hear from him. Didn't > some members give up on getting their deck back? > > David > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Gutte Neshome wrote: > >> Ship to Steve Sank for repair...... > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: > 01/08/2008 06:59 PM > > From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Aug 4 00:14:44 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:14:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 - Recording Problem In-Reply-To: References: <33485.82.44.75.60.1217770847.VFAUQmtJTEx3RB0Q.squirrel@82.44.75.60> Message-ID: <20080803221441.IEBZ22786.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> The gentleman is from the U.K. Shipping would eat up most of his wallet. The repair shop most often recommended in the UK is Bowers & Wilkins and they can be found at http://www.classic-nakamichi.com/ Of course, someone here with experience in all matters CR7A can possible help the poster. At 02:13 PM 8/3/2008, you wrote: >Ship to Steve Sank for repair...... > > > Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:40:47 +0100 > > From: jmamarnani at blueyonder.co.uk > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] CR7 - Recording Problem > > > > Hello, > > > > CR7 > > > > Recording - Only records one channel. On playback it is the right channel. > > When recording and source is selected, both left and right levels light > > up. Changing to monitor, it is only the right level indicator that lights > > up and it is the left recording level control that affects the level. > > > > Help! > > > > Thank you for your time, > > Knackeredmichi > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >---------- >Get more from your digital life. >Find >out how. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Aug 3 23:36:08 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:36:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak BX 125 output volume control needed please help! Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I need the small alps volume control that control the output going through the deck to line output control , one of the wiper inside has gone bad. Also how does the sound compares with other naks in direct comparsion with a Pioneer CT 8R it lost big time but again! CT 8R is s total different beast! with 3 heads , 3 motors with double capstand drive and one of ABLE like nak hi-end models and some of the finest pre-amps circuit I have seen . Thanks! Ali In a message dated 7/28/2008 2:04:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, antdes45 at yahoo.ca writes: Maybe there's a lifted trace or broken connection that works when the board is pulled out while you work on it, but not when it's in the normal position. 2008/7/27 : > > Hello, All: > > I have always heard that the ZXL decks (700ZXL, 1000ZXL) can be very problematic.... Kind of like vintage Ferraris -- they work GREAT when they're working properly, but getting them to work properly can be murder. > > In addition to the 700ZXL with the bad playback head, I am trying to find the problem on another 700ZXL. > > This deck works perfectly -- all functions work exactly like they should, EXCEPT the External Noise Reduction. > > This customer has a Nakamichi external noise reduction unit that he wants to use with this deck. > > But the left channel of this deck will not work if the deck's noise reduction switch is switched to "Ext Noise Reduction". When the switch is set to "Out" or "Dolby", it works perfectly, but left channel playback AND recording do NOT work when the deck is set to "Ext Noise Reduction". > > NOTE: Since I don't have an external noise reduction unit in hand, I have simply patched the deck's Ext. Noise Reduction inputs and outputs together, for both playback (Decode) and record (Encode). This should work perfectly (with the exception that no actual noise reduction is taking place). > > HERE IS THE HARD PART: I have discovered that Ext Noise Reduction WILL work perfectly if I press down on the main circuit board, right next to the Dolby record board. > > If you're thinking that it must be the pin connectors for the Dolby record board, think again. I have re-soldered AND re-tensioned the pin connectors. That board is SOLIDLY connected. > > Look at the photo, showing the deck performing perfectly while I press down on the main board: > > http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/07-24-FIG3-majorclue.jpg > > I have checked the continuity of ALL of the main circuit board traces involved with the external noise reduction jacks. I have also checked the continuity of all the traces involved with the output of the Dolby record board and the Playback board. I have checked to make sure that the ground connection for the main board is good in all locations. > > So....what am I overlooking? > > After this, I will NEVER work on another ZXL deck again. It's as if these decks DON'T WANT to be fixed. > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Aug 4 00:22:23 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:22:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... In-Reply-To: <17224384.1217797317843.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa. earthlink.net> References: <17224384.1217797317843.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080803222219.FOZZ22820.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Tom, Just curious about your repair methods when it comes to soldering. It's been quite a number of years since I've worked and handled a solder iron. What wattage iron do you use in delicate areas such as the repair outlined in your post? At 05:01 PM 8/3/2008, you wrote: >I am working on a 700ZXL with an open play head. There must be a bad >run of heads. Save the defective heads. I'll get one under the >microscope and try to get the potting out. It may be a broken wire >between the coil and the solder post. > >tom brucker > >-----Original Message----- > >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > >Sent: Aug 1, 2008 6:50 AM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... > > > > > >Bob wrote: > > > >"Andy, I may be too late for this since I've been away from e-mail > for several > >days but what if you reversed the wires (channels)on the head would you get > >audio on the other channel now?" > > > > > >Hi, Bob: > > > >Oh, yes. I do get audio on the other channel when the wires are > reversed. It's the head, there is no doubt about it. > > > >Still, it's strange that I would have two bad playback heads in a > row on two different 700ZXL's. > > > >IMPORTANT NOTE TO EVERYONE: I am confident that this deck I am > working on did NOT damage the playback head. I neglected to > mention that I had measured the resistance of both sides of the > replacement head before I installed it. It was OK on the right > channel but it DID give me a MUCH lower than normal reading on the > left channel -- just a few ohms, as opposed to just over 200 ohms > on the right channel. I decided to install it anyway, just to see > if things would improve at all, because the deck's original head > measured completely open circuit in the left channel. The head > gave me a couple of bursts of static, then died completely in the > left channel. I gambled on the replacement head, I lost. But the > deck didn't murder the head...it was suicide. > > > > > >*andy* > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Aug 4 00:24:32 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:24:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Free CrO2 tapes In-Reply-To: <3211.1217788748@cableone.net> References: <3211.1217788748@cableone.net> Message-ID: <20080803222430.JBKT8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> If possible, please contact me and I'd be glad to get some of those chrome tapes. I won't be greedy but I wouldn't mind getting 10 tapes and to be fair to others, they need not be all chromes. I can use Paypal to send payment or snail mail. Your choice. At 02:39 PM 8/3/2008, you wrote: >I bought two huge lots of music that included hundreds of cassette >tapes, including many, many used >Maxell, Denon and TDK CrO2 tapes, mostly 90s but some 60s. I have >plenty of these that are unopened, >so I have no use for all of those I bought. Therefore I'm offering >these tapes free; you only have to >pay for postage. After erasing, they will make great recordings. >There are cases for all of them, >though some are scratched and/or dusty. > >I have about 100 to give away. If you want 'em, just let me know. >I'll split them up based on the >number of responses I get. >---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 4 00:46:31 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:46:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] B&O documents online? Message-ID: <15164246.1217803591605.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have all the manuals. What do you need to know? email off list. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: "mrm12000 at cableone.net" >Sent: Aug 1, 2008 3:06 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] B&O documents online? > >Does anyone know if a collection of Bang & Olufsen documents exists on the >Internet? I need user and service manuals for the Beogram TX turntable. Vinyl >Engine doesn't have them. > >Thanks! >---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Aug 4 01:07:06 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:07:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 - Recording Problem In-Reply-To: <33485.82.44.75.60.1217770847.VFAUQmtJTEx3RB0Q.squirrel@82.44.75.60> References: <33485.82.44.75.60.1217770847.VFAUQmtJTEx3RB0Q.squirrel@82.44.75.60> Message-ID: <48963A1A.2080401@verizon.net> jmamarnani at blueyonder.co.uk wrote: > Hello, > > CR7 > > Recording - Only records one channel. On playback it is the right channel. > When recording and source is selected, both left and right levels light > up. Changing to monitor, it is only the right level indicator that lights > up and it is the left recording level control that affects the level. > > Help! > > Thank you for your time, > Knackeredmichi As usual, there is no substitute for actual troubleshooting on the bench. First thing to do is to check test points TP103 and 203 during recording, to see whether the record signal is present (this is most easily accomplished with a signal tracer, but either a 'scope or an AC voltmeter will suffice). If not, this all but exonerates the bias filter and oscillator -- trace back the bad channel to see where and what happened to the missing signal. If, OTOH, both test points are alive, I would check the cable to CN54, the bias circuitry on the power supply board and the cable from CN44 to the REC head. If all is found to be OK, I would -- with a heavy heart -- check the recording head. Good luck, -- Ron From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Aug 4 01:11:38 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:11:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Free CrO2 tapes In-Reply-To: <3211.1217788748@cableone.net> References: <3211.1217788748@cableone.net> Message-ID: <48963B2A.8010507@verizon.net> mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > I bought two huge lots of music that included hundreds of cassette tapes, including many, many used > Maxell, Denon and TDK CrO2 tapes, mostly 90s but some 60s. I have plenty of these that are unopened, > so I have no use for all of those I bought. Therefore I'm offering these tapes free; you only have to > pay for postage. After erasing, they will make great recordings. There are cases for all of them, > though some are scratched and/or dusty. > > I have about 100 to give away. If you want 'em, just let me know. I'll split them up based on the > number of responses I get. Of course, I am interested. Where are you located? -- Ron From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Aug 4 01:13:15 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 00:13:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak info' from Haden Boardman In-Reply-To: <023401c8f5b9$0dc09960$2941cc20$@freeserve.co.uk> References: <13937072.1217796384018.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <023401c8f5b9$0dc09960$2941cc20$@freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <02a501c8f5be$82ff9b40$88fed1c0$@com> From: Tom Brucker [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 9:46 PM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak info' from Haden Boardman . Nakamichi SR and TA series receivers may well have had other OEMs, in fact there is a Yamaha R series -Nak similarity that might point to Matsushita as an OEM, but we're talking about decks. [Graham Nelson] Yes, that sounds more likely – sub-contract out those who have better expertise. Common enough strategy then as now. I think the belt observation is rubbish. At the time, no one cared to look into belt formulations, manufacture, etc. Belts were cheap, and plentyful. C8096C was $2.76 each in those days.[Graham Nelson] You think so? I’d have thought Nakamichi would (originally) have been as fussy about the formulation, as are Rega now with their “top” two record decks. As Rega know (to their cost!) there are rubber belts and there are rubber belts! Or is your view that Nak really didn’t care about the quality of the rubber compound so long as the size was right? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Aug 4 01:59:07 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:59:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... In-Reply-To: <20080803222219.FOZZ22820.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> References: <17224384.1217797317843.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20080803222219.FOZZ22820.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <17d5ee910808031659h326f1d3fu3d02e41f7bb52aec@mail.gmail.com> Hi Roland, In these days, we're not talking about wattage that much, but adjustable temperature-controlled irons. ;-) Even if it's 80W, the temp is controlled, so there's no problem. In sensitive areas, I'd say you should not put the temp too high, but not too low at the same time. You don't want to melt something or detach the coil wires, and you don't want to wait too long for the solder to melt (other things will have the time to melt). 650°F is a good temp in these cases. The standard among hobbyists seems to be the Weller WES51 (50 watts, replacing the WES50), I've got one myself and I can say it's a major improvement over the standard 20-30W irons. There are tons of different tips and it takes only 30 seconds to heat up. I don't know how I've done to live without this when I started soldering with a 25W Weller. There's also the WESD51, a "digital" version of the WES51. You get up/down buttons and a tripe 7-segment to send the temp to the microcontroller rather than an analog pot. No matter which one you choose, it's still an MCU that powers the iron. Cheers, Antoine 2008/8/3 Roland : > Tom, > > Just curious about your repair methods when it comes to soldering. It's > been quite a number of years since I've worked and handled a solder iron. > > What wattage iron do you use in delicate areas such as the repair outlined > in your post? > > At 05:01 PM 8/3/2008, you wrote: >> >> I am working on a 700ZXL with an open play head. There must be a bad run >> of heads. Save the defective heads. I'll get one under the microscope and >> try to get the potting out. It may be a broken wire between the coil and the >> solder post. >> >> tom brucker >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >> >Sent: Aug 1, 2008 6:50 AM >> >To: naktalk at naks.com >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... >> > >> > >> >Bob wrote: >> > >> >"Andy, I may be too late for this since I've been away from e-mail for >> > several >> >days but what if you reversed the wires (channels)on the head would you >> > get >> >audio on the other channel now?" >> > >> > >> >Hi, Bob: >> > >> >Oh, yes. I do get audio on the other channel when the wires are >> > reversed. It's the head, there is no doubt about it. >> > >> >Still, it's strange that I would have two bad playback heads in a row on >> > two different 700ZXL's. >> > >> >IMPORTANT NOTE TO EVERYONE: I am confident that this deck I am working on >> > did NOT damage the playback head. I neglected to mention that I had >> > measured the resistance of both sides of the replacement head before I >> > installed it. It was OK on the right channel but it DID give me a MUCH >> > lower than normal reading on the left channel -- just a few ohms, as opposed >> > to just over 200 ohms on the right channel. I decided to install it anyway, >> > just to see if things would improve at all, because the deck's original head >> > measured completely open circuit in the left channel. The head gave me a >> > couple of bursts of static, then died completely in the left channel. I >> > gambled on the replacement head, I lost. But the deck didn't murder the >> > head...it was suicide. >> > >> > >> >*andy* >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Roland > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 4 04:39:01 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:39:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 - Recording Problem Message-ID: <28052328.1217817541074.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I love what you've done with your name! Play back a known good tape. If it sounds fine, your record head height calibration is off. We can talk you through a coarse DIY adjustment that will get you 90% back on track. The 10% depends on the tilt being correct which is not DIY. If you have channel imbalance PLAYING a good tape, then a complete head alignment is in order. Bowers and Wilkins is one service source in the UK. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: jmamarnani at blueyonder.co.uk >Sent: Aug 3, 2008 8:40 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] CR7 - Recording Problem > >Hello, > >CR7 > >Recording - Only records one channel. On playback it is the right channel. >When recording and source is selected, both left and right levels light >up. Changing to monitor, it is only the right level indicator that lights >up and it is the left recording level control that affects the level. > >Help! > >Thank you for your time, >Knackeredmichi > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 4 04:56:43 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 21:56:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications Message-ID: <28824029.1217818603653.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> My understanding of tape skew is that it is directional. I'm not sure you can assume the tape will have the same azimuth when direction is reversed. This is the whole reason for the RX505. A Dragon without auto azimuth would not perform as well as the RX505. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: "Richard L. Hess" >Sent: Aug 2, 2008 1:09 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications > >Hello, Victor, > >It is a non-trivial circuit to understand, but I >think I'm slowly understanding parts of it -- the >parts I need to understand to make this work. > >The nice thing is that you fully compensate for >the record head azimuth misalignment for both >sides once you capture it for one side (if both >sides were recorded on the same machine) MINUS the shell abnormalities. > >By capturing in both directions, I think you mean >using forward and reverse play one after the >other. I do that, though on one machine I find >reverse play to not be as good as forward play, >and sometimes other machines don't do reverse >play as well with C120 tapes (I know I know, but that's what clients give me). > >I would like to do forward only, and the azimuth lock is attractive for that. > >The other type of capturing both directions at >once -- since there are six playback preamps in >the Dragon -- is to fit two more outputs to the >unit. While this is possible, there is even more >fussy engineering to duplicate the Dragon's >audio/EQ circuitry so that the two directions >would match. Bringing out the four preamps to >separate EQ/booster amps is doable, but more work >than I want to do at the moment. I use external >Dolby 422 decoders anyway as level matching is >all over the place with Dolby cassettes and you >can align it better by ear than anything else >considering the HF loss over 20 years plus the original adjustment tolerances. > >Having the wonderful four-channel play head in >the Dragon is a temptation, however, and one plus >is that capturing all four tracks in one pass >would reduce wear on the head and mechanism by 50%. > >Cheers, > >Richard > >At 02:45 PM 2008-08-01, Victor Gabrenas wrote: >>I have thought of doing this myself as well. >> >>Questions: are you transferring in reverse mode? Or only forward? >> >> >>Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 >>University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 >>Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >>155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >>Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>Of Luis Peromarta >>Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:02 PM >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications >> >>I'd go for a CR7, it has all the ammenities you refer out of the box ;) >> >>Best rgds, LP. >> >>El 01/08/2008, a las 5:37, Richard L. Hess escribió: >> >> > As some of you may recall, I do tape transfers with Nak Dragons (and >> > sometimes an MR-1 and other machines) and Studer A80s and Sony >> > APR-5000s mostly. >> > >> > Anyway, there are some poorly recorded tapes that don't do well with >> > the Dragon auto-azimuth. >> > >> > I was wondering if anyone has ever made mods to the auto azimuth to >> > modify how it works and/or make it manual. >> > >> > I have some ideas about what I want and what's possible, but I'd >> > like to hear anything you folks have done in this regard. >> > >> > For the record, I don't think a half dozen Dragons are mis- >> > performing and the same tape will behave the same way in multiple >> > machines. Serial numbers vary over at least 15,000 numbers IIRC. >> > >> > My basic concept is an external azimuth control/monitor box: >> > -- Digital readout of azimuth position >> > -- Azimuth hold (stop it where it is, and don't let it move even >> > during >> > a power off/on cycle) >> > -- Manual azimuth with a pot >> > >> > Conceptually I will do minimum mods to the Auto Azimuth board, >> > replace the Black Box connector with one with more pins, and make a >> > black aluminum diecast box that sits on top of the machine. >> > >> > Please let me know what you have done and what you guys think. >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Richard >> > > >Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com >Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ >Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 4 05:07:00 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 22:07:00 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nak info' from Haden Boardman Message-ID: <10121938.1217819220324.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 4 05:11:33 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 22:11:33 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] new head for BX 100 2 head deck Message-ID: <29518700.1217819493483.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> If you cannot find a donor deck close to home we have a used head from a NakTalk parts machine I can send you for postage only. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Ben Beddig >Sent: Aug 3, 2008 3:43 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] new head for BX 100 2 head deck > >hello everybody > >i am new in the nak talk and want to know if and where to by a new head for my BX-100E deck. >i know this maschine is more simple than the 3 headed decks but i have lots of tapes recorded with it. > >guess what happened: suddenly while listening to some jazz one channel (right) looses sound and then went off. >next day i disassembled it and measured that the head is dead. Left channel has nice 270 OHMs DC, >the other had more than 20 MegaOhms. >the rest of the elektronok is fine, even the input coupling electrolytic caps. > >for having musik i fetched an old cheap deck and pulled out the head there. >mechnicaly interchangeable i put it in the nak and listened a few tapes. >amasingly how much better is a Nak elektronik instead of a cheap DeckŽs one, because the "new" sound is not as bad. >But it is not the Nak sound anymore. > >thanks for reading >hope somebody knows where to by a new "NAK" Head. > >good wishes to everybody reading this from Hamburg, germany > >Benny B. > > > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Ihre Messenger, Communities und E-Mails jetzt in einem Programm! >WEB.DE MultiMessenger http://www.produkte.web.de/messenger/?did=3071 > Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From lists at richardhess.com Mon Aug 4 05:25:11 2008 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:25:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Azimuth Modifications In-Reply-To: <28824029.1217818603653.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.s a.earthlink.net> References: <28824029.1217818603653.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0MKp8S-1KPqky1n2q-0005X6@mrelay.perfora.net> At 10:56 PM 2008-08-03, Tom Brucker wrote: >My understanding of tape skew is that it is directional. I'm not >sure you can assume the tape will have the same azimuth when >direction is reversed. This is the whole reason for the RX505. A >Dragon without auto azimuth would not perform as well as the RX505. Hi, Tom, No, I plan on using the Dragon in RX505 mode -- manually taking the tape out and flipping it and putting it back in with forward play again. I may find I have to tweak azimuth even for this due to issues with cassette shell dimensions. Anyway, the bulk of what I'm doing is LOW-FI, but important oral histories. Thanks for the input. Cheers, Richard Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From mrm12000 at cableone.net Mon Aug 4 00:31:05 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:31:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] No more free CrO2 tapes Message-ID: <4753.1217802665@cableone.net> All the free CrO2 tapes are spoken for. If I get more, I will send out another notice. ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 4 06:55:08 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 04:55:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Free CrO2 tapes In-Reply-To: <48963B2A.8010507@verizon.net> References: <3211.1217788748@cableone.net> <48963B2A.8010507@verizon.net> Message-ID: <080420080455.3054.48968BAB0009A1CD00000BEE22216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> I would be interested as well. dino -------------- Original message from Ron : -------------- > mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > I bought two huge lots of music that included hundreds of cassette tapes, > including many, many used > Maxell, Denon and TDK CrO2 tapes, mostly 90s but some 60s. I have plenty of > these that are unopened, > so I have no use for all of those I bought. Therefore I'm offering these tapes > free; you only have to > pay for postage. After erasing, they will make great recordings. There are > cases for all of them, > > though some are scratched and/or dusty. > > > I have about 100 to give away. If you want 'em, just let me know. I'll split > them up based on the > > number of responses I get. > > Of course, I am interested. Where are you located? > > -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Aug 4 14:04:31 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:04:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] How many drive belts on a Nak RX-202 cassette deck? Message-ID: <080420081204.20224.4896F04F0007D6B000004F0022155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> There are three "rubber" items on an RX-202: the idler tire, the capstan belt, and the belt for the auto-reverse UDAR mechanism. *andy* From bennyly at web.de Mon Aug 4 11:41:28 2008 From: bennyly at web.de (Ben Beddig) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:41:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] new head for BX 100 2 head deck Message-ID: <300669853@web.de> Hello Mr. Tom Brucker First let me say thanks for that fast reply and great offer. getting a donor deck here in germany is so rare, may be at ebay, but i dont know of how good is the head inside such a machine. So I would be very glad of getting "your" old used head. By the way : I own a LX-3, a BX300E and the BX100E. ( my sys: Krell CD transport, Theta gen-5 DA converter , Electrocompaniet EC1 (full dual mono class A integrated power amp (Norway)), Wilson Audio Watt/Puppy 5, Naka LX-3, VPI Turntable -SME tonearm- Kuetsu MC pickup ). I am a radio technician and Airplaine Electrician. I work for the company Monogram Systems, Carson, CA. http://www.monogramsystems.com/ may be it is possible for me to built a contact, so that you just need to send it inside the US. We, here in hamburg, get often parts from there. I will let you know ! how much would it cost to ship it to Carson, CA? how much to hamburg? Or did i went wrong? are you an US American, and where ? Do you sell any of these Idler tires ( LX3, BX300e) ? thanks a lot for your kindness have a nice week yours benny beddig ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Tom Brucker" > Gesendet: 04.08.08 05:19:46 > An: naktalk at naks.com > Betreff: Re: [naktalk] new head for BX 100 2 head deck > If you cannot find a donor deck close to home we have a used head from a NakTalk parts machine I can send you for postage only. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Ben Beddig > >Sent: Aug 3, 2008 3:43 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] new head for BX 100 2 head deck > > > >hello everybody > > > >i am new in the nak talk and want to know if and where to by a new head for my BX-100E deck. > >i know this maschine is more simple than the 3 headed decks but i have lots of tapes recorded with it. > > > >guess what happened: suddenly while listening to some jazz one channel (right) looses sound and then went off. > >next day i disassembled it and measured that the head is dead. Left channel has nice 270 OHMs DC, > >the other had more than 20 MegaOhms. > >the rest of the elektronok is fine, even the input coupling electrolytic caps. > > > >for having musik i fetched an old cheap deck and pulled out the head there. > >mechnicaly interchangeable i put it in the nak and listened a few tapes. > >amasingly how much better is a Nak elektronik instead of a cheap DeckŽs one, because the "new" sound is not as bad. > >But it is not the Nak sound anymore. > > > >thanks for reading > >hope somebody knows where to by a new "NAK" Head. > > > >good wishes to everybody reading this from Hamburg, germany > > > >Benny B. > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________ > >Ihre Messenger, Communities und E-Mails jetzt in einem Programm! > >WEB.DE MultiMessenger http://www.produkte.web.de/messenger/?did=3071 > > > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > _______________________________________________________________________ Jetzt neu! Schützen Sie Ihren PC mit McAfee und WEB.DE. 30 Tage kostenlos testen. http://www.pc-sicherheit.web.de/startseite/?mc=022220 From sandie.blonskie at verizon.net Mon Aug 4 13:32:18 2008 From: sandie.blonskie at verizon.net (SANDRA NJIBE) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:32:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Message-ID: I recently purchased an RX-202 on ebay and after two weeks of use, the tape transport mechanism would spin for about an inch then stop. Eventually it sopped completely and is unresponsive when I press play. The eject, reverse and all the lights work fine but nothing happens when I press play. Could someone please let me know what the issue might be and how to resolve it. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrm12000 at cableone.net Mon Aug 4 15:46:27 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 06:46:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Free CrO2 tapes Message-ID: <1169.1217857587@cableone.net> The tapes are all spoken for. I will send out another notice if I get more. On Mon Aug 4 4:55 , ddino77 at bellsouth.net sent: > > > > > > >I would be interested as well. dino >-------------- Original message from Ron : -------------- > > >> mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > I bought two huge lots of music that included hundreds of cassette tapes, >> including many, many used > Maxell, Denon and TDK CrO2 tapes, mostly 90s but some 60s. I have plenty of >> these that are unopened, > so I have no use for all of those I bought. Therefore I'm offering these tapes >> free; you only have to > pay for postage. After erasing, they will make great recordings. There are >> cases for all of them, >> > though some are scratched and/or dusty. >> > > I have about 100 to give away. If you want 'em, just let me know. I'll split >> them up based on the >> > number of responses I get. >> >> Of course, I am interested. Where are you located? >> >> -- Ron >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From waxtayl at free.fr Mon Aug 4 16:50:54 2008 From: waxtayl at free.fr (waxtayl) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:50:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Noise on left channel Nak MR-1 Message-ID: <4897174E.5070309@free.fr> Hi, Well another problem with my Nak MR-1, it is noisy on left channel when recording (see : http://dl.free.fr/pILSqIcQL ) , it happens only since yesterday. I cleaned and demagnetized the heads, I checked the input cables, even with nothing plugged on the input, it is still noisy. As you can listen on the mp3, with or without Dolby, it's still the same. If anyone can help. Thanks From el34guy at aol.com Mon Aug 4 16:57:33 2008 From: el34guy at aol.com (el34guy at aol.com) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:57:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] No more free CrO2 tapes In-Reply-To: <4753.1217802665@cableone.net> References: <4753.1217802665@cableone.net> Message-ID: <8CAC4598F9A898A-BCC-58C@webmail-db10.sysops.aol.com> Hello, Im back to my regular email now, here is my address data again Mark Stevenson 110 Grandy Dr Sioux City, Ia 51106 Please let me know how much I need to pay you, do you take paypal? thanks again Mark -----Original Message----- From: mrm12000 at cableone.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 5:31 pm Subject: [naktalk] No more free CrO2 tapes All the free CrO2 tapes are spoken for. If I get more, I will send out another notice. ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = From el34guy at aol.com Mon Aug 4 16:58:47 2008 From: el34guy at aol.com (el34guy at aol.com) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:58:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] No more free CrO2 tapes In-Reply-To: <4753.1217802665@cableone.net> References: <4753.1217802665@cableone.net> Message-ID: <8CAC459BB43750A-BCC-5B0@webmail-db10.sysops.aol.com> Sorry about the personal information getting sent to the group, hit reply too fast Mark -----Original Message----- From: mrm12000 at cableone.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 5:31 pm Subject: [naktalk] No more free CrO2 tapes All the free CrO2 tapes are spoken for. If I get more, I will send out another notice. ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 4 18:18:09 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:18:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Noise on left channel Nak MR-1 Message-ID: <26503993.1217866689318.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Remove the bottom so you can see the foil side of the circuit board. Find the screw grounding foil to the rear panel. Tighten this screw. I remove the screw, clean it, and solder it in place. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: waxtayl >Sent: Aug 4, 2008 9:50 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Noise on left channel Nak MR-1 > >Hi, > >Well another problem with my Nak MR-1, it is noisy on left channel when >recording (see : http://dl.free.fr/pILSqIcQL ) , it happens only since >yesterday. I cleaned and demagnetized the heads, I checked the input >cables, even with nothing plugged on the input, it is still noisy. >As you can listen on the mp3, with or without Dolby, it's still the same. >If anyone can help. >Thanks >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From waxtayl at free.fr Mon Aug 4 18:18:52 2008 From: waxtayl at free.fr (waxtayl) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:18:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Noise on left channel Nak MR-1 In-Reply-To: <4897174E.5070309@free.fr> References: <4897174E.5070309@free.fr> Message-ID: <48972BEC.2000301@free.fr> Hi again, I've just noticed that it only happens when tape selector is on EX. Thanks for your reply. Pascal waxtayl a écrit : > Hi, > > Well another problem with my Nak MR-1, it is noisy on left channel > when recording (see : http://dl.free.fr/pILSqIcQL ) , it happens only > since yesterday. I cleaned and demagnetized the heads, I checked the > input cables, even with nothing plugged on the input, it is still noisy. > As you can listen on the mp3, with or without Dolby, it's still the same. > If anyone can help. > Thanks > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From waxtayl at free.fr Mon Aug 4 18:50:49 2008 From: waxtayl at free.fr (waxtayl) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:50:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Noise on left channel Nak MR-1 In-Reply-To: <26503993.1217866689318.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <26503993.1217866689318.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48973369.4020305@free.fr> Hi Tom, Thanks for your advice, this screw was not tightened enough, I cleaned it and tightened it but it dooesn't solve the problem, it only happens when tape selector is on EX (?!). I made several adjusments with a Nak T-100 these last days, I hope I didn't kill something in the MR-1. It makes nervous (angry ?) because the MR-1 sounds very good now except this funny noise... Thanks for your help. Pascal Tom Brucker a écrit : > Remove the bottom so you can see the foil side of the circuit board. Find the screw grounding foil to the rear panel. Tighten this screw. > I remove the screw, clean it, and solder it in place. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: waxtayl >> Sent: Aug 4, 2008 9:50 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Noise on left channel Nak MR-1 >> >> Hi, >> >> Well another problem with my Nak MR-1, it is noisy on left channel when >> recording (see : http://dl.free.fr/pILSqIcQL ) , it happens only since >> yesterday. I cleaned and demagnetized the heads, I checked the input >> cables, even with nothing plugged on the input, it is still noisy. >> As you can listen on the mp3, with or without Dolby, it's still the same. >> If anyone can help. >> Thanks >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waxtayl at free.fr Mon Aug 4 20:50:31 2008 From: waxtayl at free.fr (waxtayl) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:50:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Noise on left channel Nak MR-1 In-Reply-To: <48972BEC.2000301@free.fr> References: <4897174E.5070309@free.fr> <48972BEC.2000301@free.fr> Message-ID: <48974F77.90602@free.fr> I've different made tests and I don't really understand : - when I use a TDK AD (Normal tape), it's noisy when tape selector is on Normal, very light noise when tape selector is on Chrome, no noise on Metal - when I use a TDK SA (Chrome tape), no noise at all even when tape selector is on Normal, no problem either with a TDK MA-XG - when I use a TDK D (Normal tape), no noise at all even when tape selector is on Normal - when I use Maxell UR or BASF FMI (Normal tapes), I have a little noise when tape selector is on Normal, not noisy when tape selector is on Chrome or Metal So why differences with different Normal tapes ? Rather ununderstandable !! And of course, I would like to use TDK AD tapes because I recently bought a few... :-( If you have an idea. Thanks waxtayl a écrit : > Hi again, > I've just noticed that it only happens when tape selector is on EX. > Thanks for your reply. > > Pascal > > > waxtayl a écrit : >> Hi, >> >> Well another problem with my Nak MR-1, it is noisy on left channel >> when recording (see : http://dl.free.fr/pILSqIcQL ) , it happens only >> since yesterday. I cleaned and demagnetized the heads, I checked the >> input cables, even with nothing plugged on the input, it is still noisy. >> As you can listen on the mp3, with or without Dolby, it's still the >> same. >> If anyone can help. >> Thanks >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From fsclaol at yahoo.com Tue Aug 5 00:11:44 2008 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Same Graham? Message-ID: <60826.29686.qm@web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Graham do / did you moderate the Yahoo LP --> CD R forum? Fred in CT.... From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 5 01:08:35 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:08:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Marrs C8096D2 belt is the real deal Message-ID: <20771599.1217891315144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Good news NakTalkers. Fred Smith of Marrs Communications is to be commended for the manufacture of the new C8096D "2" classic Nakamichi belt. I received samples today. Micrometer measurements were spot-on: thickness 0.018" width 0.194" length 9.22" I installed one belt in a customer's LX3. After lubricating both inner and outer capstan bearings I made the following measurements: Speed 0.4% fast wow/flutter 0.08 wtd wow/flutter 0.13 unweighted peak readings were typical of original belts My original C8096C measured: Speed 0.3% fast wow/flutter 0.09 wtd wow/flutter 0.14 unweighted This has been a 2 year journey. Many, many NakTalkers have assisted in this quest. I thank everyone, even the folks that "flamed out", for making it clear that this belt holds the key to the next 10 years of cassette perfection. Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 5 01:29:38 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:29:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Noise on left channel Nak MR-1 Message-ID: <2894418.1217892578066.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In my opinion you have bad tape. I recall some bulk loaded Memorex type I tape that had similar noise back in 1974! I would describe the noise as "modulation noise". I believe it is caused by uneven oxide distribution. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: waxtayl >Sent: Aug 4, 2008 1:50 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Noise on left channel Nak MR-1 > >I've different made tests and I don't really understand : >- when I use a TDK AD (Normal tape), it's noisy when tape selector is on >Normal, very light noise when tape selector is on Chrome, no noise on Metal >- when I use a TDK SA (Chrome tape), no noise at all even when tape >selector is on Normal, no problem either with a TDK MA-XG >- when I use a TDK D (Normal tape), no noise at all even when tape >selector is on Normal >- when I use Maxell UR or BASF FMI (Normal tapes), I have a little noise >when tape selector is on Normal, not noisy when tape selector is on >Chrome or Metal >So why differences with different Normal tapes ? Rather ununderstandable !! >And of course, I would like to use TDK AD tapes because I recently >bought a few... :-( >If you have an idea. >Thanks > >waxtayl a écrit : >> Hi again, >> I've just noticed that it only happens when tape selector is on EX. >> Thanks for your reply. >> >> Pascal >> >> >> waxtayl a écrit : >>> Hi, >>> >>> Well another problem with my Nak MR-1, it is noisy on left channel >>> when recording (see : http://dl.free.fr/pILSqIcQL ) , it happens only >>> since yesterday. I cleaned and demagnetized the heads, I checked the >>> input cables, even with nothing plugged on the input, it is still noisy. >>> As you can listen on the mp3, with or without Dolby, it's still the >>> same. >>> If anyone can help. >>> Thanks >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 5 01:47:37 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:47:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Noise on left channel Nak MR-1 In-Reply-To: <48974F77.90602@free.fr> References: <4897174E.5070309@free.fr> <48972BEC.2000301@free.fr> <48974F77.90602@free.fr> Message-ID: <48979519.5000807@sbcglobal.net> It sounds like the bias is not correctly adjusted for the type of tape you want to use. I would suggest to you, however, that you will never get the performance with normal bias tape that the Nakamichi is capable of, and I assume you would want to get the best sound you can, otherwise why would you buy a Nakamichi deck? You really should use Chrome or Chrome Equivalent, or Metal tapes if you want the best sound. If you use the better tapes and you lose highs, or if the highs are exagerated when you record, then you will have to adjust the bias for those tapes. Warren waxtayl wrote: > I've different made tests and I don't really understand : > - when I use a TDK AD (Normal tape), it's noisy when tape selector is > on Normal, very light noise when tape selector is on Chrome, no noise > on Metal > - when I use a TDK SA (Chrome tape), no noise at all even when tape > selector is on Normal, no problem either with a TDK MA-XG > - when I use a TDK D (Normal tape), no noise at all even when tape > selector is on Normal > - when I use Maxell UR or BASF FMI (Normal tapes), I have a little > noise when tape selector is on Normal, not noisy when tape selector is > on Chrome or Metal > So why differences with different Normal tapes ? Rather > ununderstandable !! > And of course, I would like to use TDK AD tapes because I recently > bought a few... :-( > If you have an idea. > Thanks > > waxtayl a écrit : >> Hi again, >> I've just noticed that it only happens when tape selector is on EX. >> Thanks for your reply. >> >> Pascal >> >> >> waxtayl a écrit : >>> Hi, >>> >>> Well another problem with my Nak MR-1, it is noisy on left channel >>> when recording (see : http://dl.free.fr/pILSqIcQL ) , it happens >>> only since yesterday. I cleaned and demagnetized the heads, I >>> checked the input cables, even with nothing plugged on the input, it >>> is still noisy. >>> As you can listen on the mp3, with or without Dolby, it's still the >>> same. >>> If anyone can help. >>> Thanks >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From waxtayl at free.fr Tue Aug 5 10:15:49 2008 From: waxtayl at free.fr (waxtayl) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:15:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Noise on left channel Nak MR-1 In-Reply-To: <48979519.5000807@sbcglobal.net> References: <4897174E.5070309@free.fr> <48972BEC.2000301@free.fr> <48974F77.90602@free.fr> <48979519.5000807@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48980C35.3050006@free.fr> I think you are right, I made adjusments a few days ago with the help of a Nak T-100 and I modified the record level and bias. I wanted to make it sound just a little too bright in order to have a great sound on other machine. I decreased a little the bias on normal tape and the noise disappeared for the TDK AD but appeared with TDK D... I have to make new adjusments from the beginning... Thanks for your help. Warren Bendler a écrit : > It sounds like the bias is not correctly adjusted for the type of tape > you want to use. I would suggest to you, however, that you will never > get the performance with normal bias tape that the Nakamichi is > capable of, and I assume you would want to get the best sound you can, > otherwise why would you buy a Nakamichi deck? You really should use > Chrome or Chrome Equivalent, or Metal tapes if you want the best > sound. If you use the better tapes and you lose highs, or if the highs > are exagerated when you record, then you will have to adjust the bias > for those tapes. > > Warren > > waxtayl wrote: >> I've different made tests and I don't really understand : >> - when I use a TDK AD (Normal tape), it's noisy when tape selector is >> on Normal, very light noise when tape selector is on Chrome, no noise >> on Metal >> - when I use a TDK SA (Chrome tape), no noise at all even when tape >> selector is on Normal, no problem either with a TDK MA-XG >> - when I use a TDK D (Normal tape), no noise at all even when tape >> selector is on Normal >> - when I use Maxell UR or BASF FMI (Normal tapes), I have a little >> noise when tape selector is on Normal, not noisy when tape selector >> is on Chrome or Metal >> So why differences with different Normal tapes ? Rather >> ununderstandable !! >> And of course, I would like to use TDK AD tapes because I recently >> bought a few... :-( >> If you have an idea. >> Thanks >> >> > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Aug 5 10:42:39 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 01:42:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stupid wannabe EE question Message-ID: I need to replace one of the bias transformers on a 700zxl (since we are talking about 700zxl's a lot lately). Unfortunately the description in the parts list is a rather unhelpful: "bias transformer." There don't seem to be any other machines that I have as parts machines (I am guessing only the 700zxe might share the same part). Are the any suggestions for how to go about figuring out a replacement? Figure I've got stone knives and sticks for tools (i.e. a nice DVM [Fluke 189] but not much else (OK, a T-100 but that is probably not helpful for this discussion)? Thanks.-kby From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Tue Aug 5 14:06:08 2008 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Benedikt Breiler Mikkelsen) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:06:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Stupid wannabe EE question References: Message-ID: <20080805120608.OVBF2757.fep50.mail.dk@post.tele.dk> "Kimo B. Yap" wrote: > I need to replace one of the bias transformers on a 700zxl (since we > > are talking about > 700zxl's a lot lately). Unfortunately the description in the parts > > list is a rather unhelpful: > "bias transformer." There don't seem to be any other machines that I > > have as parts > machines (I am guessing only the 700zxe might share the same part). > > Are the any suggestions > for how to go about figuring out a replacement? Figure I've got > stone > knives and sticks for tools (i.e. > a nice DVM [Fluke 189] but not much else (OK, a T-100 but that is > probably not helpful > for this discussion)? Thanks.-kby Perhaps a search for the original component on Google, Unionel.com or ued.net will turn up the part you need. And the most useful tool I have ever found is the refridgerator. -Mikkel From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Aug 6 06:44:55 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:44:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stupid wannabe EE question Message-ID: That would be nice, but the only markings on the part are: KOR (a logo; the letters are enclosed in a circle; presumably the mfg.) B6646 (actually that is: B 6646 } PAT-JAPAN HG-4 Does this mean anything to anyone? Google hasn't been too useful.-kby From dwywit at telus.net Wed Aug 6 07:31:24 2008 From: dwywit at telus.net (Lindsay & Peter) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:31:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <19740414223344.66C63736300637D9@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> Hi I am curious to know, given a choice which of the following decks to go for. A BX300 or a CR 5a. Looking around the naKs website and doing a side by side comparison of the features of both decks I see very little immediate difference between the two. But there individual original pricing suggests otherwise. Also considering their respective individual ages from introduction to present date, apart from the obvious-idler tire and belts, is either one prone to any particular part deterioration over the other. I would appreciate all knowledgeable input, and enjoy reading all the postings. Thanks Bronte 883 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Wed Aug 6 17:21:22 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:21:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <19740414223344.66C63736300637D9@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> References: <19740414223344.66C63736300637D9@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> Message-ID: <189B618B-48A9-4D9D-8029-4990F93C106D@peromarta.org> I find them to be quite alike. I suggest you pick up the one with less hours. Both will probably need a new set of belts / tyre. Best rgds, LP. El 06/08/2008, a las 7:31, Lindsay & Peter escribió: > Hi > > I am curious to know, given a choice which of the following decks to > go for. A BX300 or a CR 5a. Looking around the naKs website and > doing a side by side comparison of the features of both decks I see > very little immediate difference between the two. But there > individual original pricing suggests otherwise. Also considering > their respective individual ages from introduction to present date, > apart from the obvious-idler tire and belts, is either one prone to > any particular part deterioration over the other. > I would appreciate all knowledgeable input, and enjoy reading all > the postings. > > Thanks > > Bronte 883 > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Aug 6 15:22:41 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:22:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <19740414223344.66C63736300637D9@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> References: <19740414223344.66C63736300637D9@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> Message-ID: <4899A5A1.3000908@verizon.net> Lindsay & Peter wrote: > > Hi > > > > I am curious to know, given a choice which of the following decks to > go for. A BX300 or a CR 5a. Looking around the naKs website and doing > a side by side comparison of the features of both decks I see very > little immediate difference between the two. But there individual > original pricing suggests otherwise. Also considering their respective > individual ages from introduction to present date, apart from the > obvious-idler tire and belts, is either one prone to any particular > part deterioration over the other. > > I would appreciate all knowledgeable input, and enjoy reading all the > postings. > > > > Thanks > > > > Bronte 883 > Technically speaking, these deck are. indeed, similar. Both use a Sankyo transport with DD capstan motor, 3 motors, identical heads, etc. They also share features (fine bias tuning, Dolby B & C, using the same chip, etc.). Sonically, they are also similar. However, be aware the CR series is newer than the BX series. Therefore, a CR-5 (according to Naks.com, made in 1986-1990) will likely be younger than a BX-300 (made 1984-1987). So, why prices discrepancies? Because prices of vintage electronics are not necessarily based on performance, but on buyers' perceptions and inclinations. Buyers are not always knwoledgeable and often given to prejudices. Other factors are age, condition and what the market will bear at a particular point in time. You takes your pick and you makes your choice :-). -- Ron From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Aug 6 19:59:52 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] (BX-300/CR-5) In-Reply-To: <19740414223344.66C63736300637D9@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> Message-ID: <626968.2851.qm@web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You can get many opinions that will reflect a lot of taste. I would weigh in for the BX-300. It sells for less, there are many available for parts if needed (hence the lower price) and replacements parts are not difficult anyway, and it specs out as one of the best decks ever (but don't pay big bucks for it - did I mention there are a lot of them). I do find the CR series more visually appealing, but I've really learned to love my BX-300. It was a cheap thrift store find that Willy completely went through and cleaned up. When there are no more parts for my more expensive classic decks, I'll still be happy with my BX-300 which will probably have parts available for a very long time. David --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Lindsay & Peter wrote: > Hi > > > > I am curious to know, given a choice which of the following > decks to go for. > A BX300 or a CR 5a. Looking around the naKs website and > doing a side by > side comparison of the features of both decks I see very > little immediate > difference between the two. But there individual original > pricing suggests > otherwise. Also considering their respective individual > ages from > introduction to present date, apart from the obvious-idler > tire and belts, > is either one prone to any particular part deterioration > over the other. > > I would appreciate all knowledgeable input, and enjoy > reading all the > postings. > > > > Thanks > > > > Bronte 883 > From theshorty at bigpond.com Wed Aug 6 13:40:11 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:40:11 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 vs CR5a References: <19740414223344.66C63736300637D9@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> Message-ID: <002c01c8f7b9$2fa82be0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Hi Bronte 883, You are right, there isn't a lot to chose between the BX300 and CR-5. They use essentially the same Sankyo based transport hence the mechanical specs are the same. The decks facilities are the same ( apart from auto/manual tape select capability on the CR-5), and they suffer the same woes as far as idler tire replacement, (which isn't a biggie) and the odd mode control motor fault, but overall reliability is good in my experience ( I have one BX300 and 2 CR-5's in regular use and happy with all). The electronics are a bit different between the two and I'll leave the texperts to quantify that. Sound wise the two decks are subtley different... the BX300 being warmer, the CR-5 more neutral.. and that comes down to personal preference. Having said that, my two CR-5s are slightly different build's as well and sound sightly different to each other too... so ignore what I have just said! The level meters on the CR-5 are significantly better than those on the BX300.. especially visually. The BX300 consumes about half the volume of shelf space of the CR-5.. so it is an easier deck to accomodate. Also the BX300 is also the same width (430mm) as the general Japanese Hifi products, if that is important If all things are equal, ( 1/ condition, 2/ price), based on my own experience I would go for the CR-5 first myself, but if they are not, then go for the deck in better condition.. either will give you good service and good sound. Good luck,cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Lindsay & Peter To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 3:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Hi I am curious to know, given a choice which of the following decks to go for. A BX300 or a CR 5a. Looking around the naKs website and doing a side by side comparison of the features of both decks I see very little immediate difference between the two. But there individual original pricing suggests otherwise. Also considering their respective individual ages from introduction to present date, apart from the obvious-idler tire and belts, is either one prone to any particular part deterioration over the other. I would appreciate all knowledgeable input, and enjoy reading all the postings. Thanks Bronte 883 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Aug 6 20:18:25 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:18:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UPS Idiots! Message-ID: <080620081818.15415.4899EAF1000B81DF00003C3722165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Man, if I owned this Dragon, HEADS WOULD DEFINITELY ROLL.... http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Dragon-NR-Read-Carefully_W0QQitemZ150279125479QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150279125479&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A10&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318 *andy* From jeruff at yahoo.com Wed Aug 6 22:00:00 2008 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] (BX-300/CR-5) In-Reply-To: <626968.2851.qm@web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <901483.99115.qm@web83715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Don't think the CR-5 gives you pitch control if that is an issue...(correct me if I'm wrong) Jesse --- fripp_em wrote: > You can get many opinions that will reflect a lot of > taste. I would weigh in for the BX-300. It sells > for less, there are many available for parts if > needed (hence the lower price) and replacements > parts are not difficult anyway, and it specs out as > one of the best decks ever (but don't pay big bucks > for it - did I mention there are a lot of them). I > do find the CR series more visually appealing, but > I've really learned to love my BX-300. It was a > cheap thrift store find that Willy completely went > through and cleaned up. > > When there are no more parts for my more expensive > classic decks, I'll still be happy with my BX-300 > which will probably have parts available for a very > long time. > > David > > --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Lindsay & Peter > wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I am curious to know, given a choice which of the > following > > decks to go for. > > A BX300 or a CR 5a. Looking around the naKs > website and > > doing a side by > > side comparison of the features of both decks I > see very > > little immediate > > difference between the two. But there individual > original > > pricing suggests > > otherwise. Also considering their respective > individual > > ages from > > introduction to present date, apart from the > obvious-idler > > tire and belts, > > is either one prone to any particular part > deterioration > > over the other. > > > > I would appreciate all knowledgeable input, and > enjoy > > reading all the > > postings. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Bronte 883 > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From daiku1 at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 00:44:39 2008 From: daiku1 at gmail.com (Jim Voos) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 15:44:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone know where Message-ID: <397EB1C5-1E25-4A69-8C93-5461E264D0E4@gmail.com> I can find a cr-7a cassette well cover and/or front panel? Thx Jim Voos Sent from Mr Jobs overpriced iPhone From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Thu Aug 7 01:43:20 2008 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:43:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] UPS Idiots! In-Reply-To: <080620081818.15415.4899EAF1000B81DF00003C3722165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <080620081818.15415.4899EAF1000B81DF00003C3722165579969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Sometimes you have to ask whether the deck was packed properly before UPS got their hands on it. But nonetheless I acknowledge that my latest experience of shipping my deck from the USA to Canada resulted in the outer box being virtually demolished upon delivery to me. They are very hard on items regardless if "fragile" is written on the box. What saved me was the expert suggestions for packing I adhered to whcih included putting the deck in a box inside another box using liberal amounts of bubble wrap. I will search other carriers next time and likely give one a try. Perhaps if anyone has had consistently good experience with one carrier they can mention it here. Cheers > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:18:25 +0000> Subject: [naktalk] UPS Idiots!> > > Man, if I owned this Dragon, HEADS WOULD DEFINITELY ROLL....> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Dragon-NR-Read-Carefully_W0QQitemZ150279125479QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150279125479&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A10&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318> > > > *andy*> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Try Chicktionary, a game that tests how many words you can form from the letters given. 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URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Thu Aug 7 12:24:38 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:24:38 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] (BX-300/CR-5) References: <901483.99115.qm@web83715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009f01c8f877$cc1935a0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Jesse, Yep, quite right..., forgot about the pitch control on my BX300... my excuse is that I have never had never had to use it in 20 years!!. I give it a twiddle every now and then to make sure it still functions, that's all!. Same goes for the pitch control on my 680ZX.. never needed to use it. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "jesse ruff" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 6:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] (BX-300/CR-5) > Don't think the CR-5 gives you pitch control if that > is an issue...(correct me if I'm wrong) > Jesse > --- fripp_em wrote: > >> You can get many opinions that will reflect a lot of >> taste. I would weigh in for the BX-300. It sells >> for less, there are many available for parts if >> needed (hence the lower price) and replacements >> parts are not difficult anyway, and it specs out as >> one of the best decks ever (but don't pay big bucks >> for it - did I mention there are a lot of them). I >> do find the CR series more visually appealing, but >> I've really learned to love my BX-300. It was a >> cheap thrift store find that Willy completely went >> through and cleaned up. >> >> When there are no more parts for my more expensive >> classic decks, I'll still be happy with my BX-300 >> which will probably have parts available for a very >> long time. >> >> David >> >> --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Lindsay & Peter >> wrote: >> >> > Hi >> > >> > >> > >> > I am curious to know, given a choice which of the >> following >> > decks to go for. >> > A BX300 or a CR 5a. Looking around the naKs >> website and >> > doing a side by >> > side comparison of the features of both decks I >> see very >> > little immediate >> > difference between the two. But there individual >> original >> > pricing suggests >> > otherwise. Also considering their respective >> individual >> > ages from >> > introduction to present date, apart from the >> obvious-idler >> > tire and belts, >> > is either one prone to any particular part >> deterioration >> > over the other. >> > >> > I would appreciate all knowledgeable input, and >> enjoy >> > reading all the >> > postings. >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > >> > >> > Bronte 883 >> > >> >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > > > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Aug 7 13:10:53 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 04:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] orange cap replacement question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <51276.98964.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The orange Cap issue reported on Naks are related to only Mylar caps not the electrolytic and so replace only the mylar caps for the benefits Kannan --- On Wed, 8/6/08, EL34GUY at aol.com wrote: From: EL34GUY at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] orange cap replacement question To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:56 PM Hello,   In identifying the orange colored caps on my dolby board on the 682zx, Ive counted 34 total. However half of those are not the mylars and are orange colored electrolytics. Does anyone know if those are suspicious caps as well? Id rather replace 16 or so mylars rather than 34.   What are the thoughts on that?   Thanks for any feedback   Mark Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfallon at windstream.net Thu Aug 7 14:27:35 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 8:27:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] UPS Idiots! and DR2 4sale Message-ID: <20080807122735.BPSD13398.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> I recently sold a DR3 to a guy in St. Louis. Sending it from Pittsburgh, I used the US Postal Service and packed it in the original box with lots of solid foam. Wrapped that box in bubble wrap and put it in a bigger box packed with foam peanuts. Got there fine and the guy even complimented me on the thoroughness that went into assuring safe delivery. I am currently selling a DR2 that is in perfect shape for $150. If anyone is interested, drop a line. I'll pack it well! thanks Mike > > From: boogie > Date: 2008/08/06 Wed PM 07:43:20 EDT > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPS Idiots! > > > Sometimes you have to ask whether the deck was packed properly before UPS got their hands on it. But nonetheless I acknowledge that my latest experience of shipping my deck from the USA to Canada resulted in the outer box being virtually demolished upon delivery to me. They are very hard on items regardless if "fragile" is written on the box. What saved me was the expert suggestions for packing I adhered to whcih included putting the deck in a box inside another box using liberal amounts of bubble wrap. > > I will search other carriers next time and likely give one a try. Perhaps if anyone has had consistently good experience with one carrier they can mention it here. > > > Cheers > > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:18:25 +0000> Subject: [naktalk] UPS Idiots!> > > Man, if I owned this Dragon, HEADS WOULD DEFINITELY ROLL....> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Dragon-NR-Read-Carefully_W0QQitemZ150279125479QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item150279125479&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A10&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318> > > > *andy*> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > _________________________________________________________________ > Try Chicktionary, a game that tests how many words you can form from the letters given. Find this and more puzzles at Live Search Games! > http://g.msn.ca/ca55/207 > -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jeruff at yahoo.com Thu Aug 7 14:52:40 2008 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 05:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] (BX-300/CR-5) In-Reply-To: <009f01c8f877$cc1935a0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: <714636.62728.qm@web83705.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Martin, I sample things off tape sometimes, and if I want to speed or slow something down, it sounds a lot more natural to do it with a hardware device (cassette, MD, CD, etc.) than with the software I have on my computer (Adobe Audition). Too bad tape decks don't give you a larger range though (one CD/MD deck I have randomly allows you to slow a MD down to over 100% of its original speed--not sure for what that feature was intended, but it's cool to play with and hear how completely unrecognizable a piece of music becomes!) I also have a couple tapes come to think of it that were recorded a hair fast or slow that would be served by such a feature. My 700 II and MR1 both have it, but both are in need of repair. Jesse --- Martin & Karen Short wrote: > Jesse, > > Yep, quite right..., forgot about the pitch control > on my BX300... my > excuse is that I have never had never had to use it > in 20 years!!. I give it > a twiddle every now and then to make sure it still > functions, that's all!. > Same goes for the pitch control on my 680ZX.. never > needed to use it. > > cheers, > > Martin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jesse ruff" > To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 6:00 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (BX-300/CR-5) > > > > Don't think the CR-5 gives you pitch control if > that > > is an issue...(correct me if I'm wrong) > > Jesse > > --- fripp_em wrote: > > > >> You can get many opinions that will reflect a lot > of > >> taste. I would weigh in for the BX-300. It > sells > >> for less, there are many available for parts if > >> needed (hence the lower price) and replacements > >> parts are not difficult anyway, and it specs out > as > >> one of the best decks ever (but don't pay big > bucks > >> for it - did I mention there are a lot of them). > I > >> do find the CR series more visually appealing, > but > >> I've really learned to love my BX-300. It was a > >> cheap thrift store find that Willy completely > went > >> through and cleaned up. > >> > >> When there are no more parts for my more > expensive > >> classic decks, I'll still be happy with my BX-300 > >> which will probably have parts available for a > very > >> long time. > >> > >> David > >> > >> --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Lindsay & Peter > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Hi > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I am curious to know, given a choice which of > the > >> following > >> > decks to go for. > >> > A BX300 or a CR 5a. Looking around the naKs > >> website and > >> > doing a side by > >> > side comparison of the features of both decks I > >> see very > >> > little immediate > >> > difference between the two. But there > individual > >> original > >> > pricing suggests > >> > otherwise. Also considering their respective > >> individual > >> > ages from > >> > introduction to present date, apart from the > >> obvious-idler > >> > tire and belts, > >> > is either one prone to any particular part > >> deterioration > >> > over the other. > >> > > >> > I would appreciate all knowledgeable input, and > >> enjoy > >> > reading all the > >> > postings. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Bronte 883 > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! > >> http://www.naks.com/register > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Aug 7 15:45:37 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:45:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] orange cap replacement question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <489AFC81.4010908@verizon.net> EL34GUY at aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > In identifying the orange colored caps on my dolby board on the 682zx, > Ive counted 34 total. However half of those are not the mylars and are > orange colored electrolytics. Does anyone know if those are suspicious > caps as well? Id rather replace 16 or so mylars rather than 34. > > What are the thoughts on that? > > Thanks for any feedback > > Mark The 'Orange Cap disease' everyone is complaining about does not pertain to electrolytic caps, regardless of their color. That is not to say that electrolytics live forever, they just do not warrant mass replacement. I mentioned in the past that I do not see the sense in mass replacement of orange mylar caps, either. All but one or two of the replaced caps are still good, yet the mere act of replacing them subjects the deck to unnecessary risks. Especially if either the expertise of the person doing the work or his equipment are not first rate. A first rate job requires much experience and a first rate soldering station costs at least $100 -- that's more than many Nak decks on the market. The argument that all the replaced caps will eventually die is silly -- *all* components in the deck will eventually die. The advantage over replacing the one or two bad caps is that the hobbyist doesn't need to know a thing about how the deck works, while doing the job gives him a warm and fuzzy feeling... -- Ron From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 7 16:20:13 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:20:13 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] orange cap replacement question Message-ID: <25837314.1218118813170.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Thu Aug 7 18:55:10 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-5A with incorrect reel motors? Message-ID: <884545.3132.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR5-cassette-deck-FULLY-REFURBISHED_W0QQitemZ280251869820QQihZ018QQcategoryZ71574QQ Looking at this completed auction, I see that it was service by ESL and has a tag above the counter with a note about counter max. I wonder if this is the problem Jeff mentioned a while back about when his BX-300 was done and they put the wrong reel tables in it when doing the idler upgrade - the counter ran improperly. He said he was told that ESL never had any complaints. Perhaps someone else had this happen and just didn't think it was worth sending in again (or didn't notice until the warranty ran out?). Perhaps someone else can read the tag better and has a different explanation. I'm guessing this deck was serviced a long time ago, so I don't know why someone would pay so much, unless they thought it is going to arrive in prefect shape. My guess is it sat unused and needs service again. David From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 7 17:07:10 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:07:10 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Stupid wannabe EE question Message-ID: <8603314.1218121630377.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Kimo, B6646 is the Nakamichi part number. No description is given in the manual. I would contact Jeff at ESL and buy one there. This transformer does not drive the erase head, so its turns ratio and inductance are different from most other Nakamichi decks. If you did want to make some measurements you would need an oscilloscope and an inductance meter or impedence bridge. One stone age trick might be to install a transformer from a 480, and compare the bias amplituse and frequency with your known good transformer. Frequency can be varied if the transformer has an adjustable core, or by changing values of C104/C204. Amplitude can be adjusted a few ways. Since I expect the bias level would be too high, increasing R118/R218 could be used to adjust good luck tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: "Kimo B. Yap" >Sent: Aug 5, 2008 3:42 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Stupid wannabe EE question > >I need to replace one of the bias transformers on a 700zxl (since we >are talking about >700zxl's a lot lately). Unfortunately the description in the parts >list is a rather unhelpful: >"bias transformer." There don't seem to be any other machines that I >have as parts >machines (I am guessing only the 700zxe might share the same part). >Are the any suggestions >for how to go about figuring out a replacement? Figure I've got stone >knives and sticks for tools (i.e. >a nice DVM [Fluke 189] but not much else (OK, a T-100 but that is >probably not helpful >for this discussion)? Thanks.-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 7 17:12:06 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:12:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] orange cap replacement question Message-ID: <17556460.1218121926785.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Rob, I believe changing orange caps in the 700/1000 ZXE/ZXL ought to be mandatory. I am also experiencing more and more Dragons with multiple orange cap problems. In any deck newer than the 480,580/680/LX/ZX/RX the two same value bias oscillator caps should be changed. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Ron >Sent: Aug 7, 2008 8:45 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] orange cap replacement question > >EL34GUY at aol.com wrote: >> Hello, >> >> In identifying the orange colored caps on my dolby board on the 682zx, >> Ive counted 34 total. However half of those are not the mylars and are >> orange colored electrolytics. Does anyone know if those are suspicious >> caps as well? Id rather replace 16 or so mylars rather than 34. >> >> What are the thoughts on that? >> >> Thanks for any feedback >> >> Mark >The 'Orange Cap disease' everyone is complaining about does >not pertain to electrolytic caps, regardless of their color. That is >not to say that electrolytics live forever, they just do not warrant >mass replacement. > >I mentioned in the past that I do not see the sense in mass >replacement of orange mylar caps, either. All but one or >two of the replaced caps are still good, yet the mere act of >replacing them subjects the deck to unnecessary risks. >Especially if either the expertise of the person doing the >work or his equipment are not first rate. A first rate job >requires much experience and a first rate soldering station >costs at least $100 -- that's more than many Nak decks >on the market. > >The argument that all the replaced caps will eventually die >is silly -- *all* components in the deck will eventually die. >The advantage over replacing the one or two bad caps >is that the hobbyist doesn't need to know a thing about >how the deck works, while doing the job gives him a >warm and fuzzy feeling... > >-- Ron > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From el34guy at aol.com Thu Aug 7 21:27:51 2008 From: el34guy at aol.com (el34guy at aol.com) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:27:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] orange cap replacement question In-Reply-To: <25837314.1218118813170.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <25837314.1218118813170.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CAC6DAD12D3794-16A4-1F28@WEBMAIL-DF02.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for the great responses, it sounds like I need to focus on just the Mylars. Maybe I should buy all the replacements and then change out a few at a time? Or, is it just better to get it over with and do them all at once? Mark From rockykhan11 at netzero.com Thu Aug 7 19:26:19 2008 From: rockykhan11 at netzero.com (rockykhan11 at netzero.com) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:26:19 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 66, Issue 8 Message-ID: <20080807.122619.15189.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Message: 8 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:43:20 -0400 From: boogie Subject: RE: [naktalk] UPS Idiots! To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sometimes you have to ask whether the deck was packed properly before UPS got their hands on it. But nonetheless I acknowledge that my latest experience of shipping my deck from the USA to Canada resulted in the outer box being virtually demolished upon delivery to me. They are very hard on items regardless if "fragile" is written on the box. What saved me was the expert suggestions for packing I adhered to which included putting the deck in a box inside another box using liberal amounts of bubble wrap. I will search other carriers next time and likely give one a try. Perhaps if anyone has had consistently good experience with one carrier they can mention it here. Cheers I have had bad experience with them and I do not use UPS anymore. Please note that UPS and FedEx both DO NOT recognize "FRAGILE" . This was told to me after my incident both by UPS and FedEx folks. Only USPS recognizes it officially. The UPS goes out of its way to Deny your claim and it is a Catch 22 process to get any money out of them, especially if it is a small amount. UPS broke the plastic door on my RX-202 and upon calling them, they were not only rude but the clearly told me NOT to expect any response from them. The lady said, " Please contact the seller who insured it for you, We cannot talk to you" . It was an eye-opening experience. When I contacted the seller they told give him the BS also and the door is now glued and it looks ugly. My advice is to insure the item for at least $500 or more (regardless of what you pay for it) and pack it as good as you can. I now use FedEx Ground and beg the counter lady every time not to toss the box around. I receive a smile every time which I don't know how to take!!. msk ____________________________________________________________ Click to see huge collection of discounted designer watches. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijlx7IIf8K9Q9wyZFmHEdiEFV0eUGcJ1ozZm2j1kf5cfR2i7m/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 22:12:29 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:12:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 66, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <20080807.122619.15189.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> References: <20080807.122619.15189.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: If you insure it for an amount, you need to be prepared to prove that value when you file a damage claim. The policy for handling a claim seems very counterintuitive as the shipper (the person who paid THEM for the shipping) is the one who has to file the claim, collect any funds, and reimburse the recipient. The only time this process REALLY makes sense is when you ship something to someone for repair as you are the owner of the item, so it makes sense for it to be your problem to go through the process of getting your money back. In most other cases, the party that is the shipper (usually) already has their money (usually from selling the item to the recipient) and doesn't really have the same incentive to fight for the money. I went through the process with UPS earlier this year when they killed a Mark Levinson CD transport that I sold on Audiogon. The buyer was fortunate that he was dealing with an honest seller. Once the problem was identified, I offered him a full refund, which he eventually accepted after UPS picked the transport up for inspection, damaged it further during the inspection, and then returned it to me (apparently, returning the item to the shipper is part of the standard process). It took me many months of fighting with them, but I eventually got them to pay out for the full amount of the repair estimate plus what I had paid for shipping and insurance. If they hadn't caused further (cosmetic) damage during their inspection, I'm almost positive I would not have won the claim without taking them to court (and that would drag things out further, cost $$$, and wouldn't guarantee a positive result anyway). The whole system is a mess. They'll gladly accept your money to insure the item for whatever amount you claim. But when you file a damage claim, their first response is that the item wasn't packed properly. Don't they have some amount of responsibility to make sure the packing is acceptable BEFORE they accept your money for insurance??? If you read the fine print on their web site, they actually say something to the effect of "the package should be able to withstand a 6 foot drop onto a concrete floor" - why on earth should a properly handled package have to survive such a fall? Should it have to survive being driven over by an 18 wheeler too? Good grief. I had a big 21" Sony CRT computer monitor that I sold on eBay a few years ago. I had the original box and all the original packing for it and packed it exactly as it had been originally shipped to me. I took it to the local UPS place and the woman refused to accept it saying that it wasn't properly packaged (a bit of kudos to her for at least inspecting the packaging job). I asked her how it ever got shipped to me that way (via UPS, in fact) and if she would refuse to allow Sony to ship monitors this way. She told me that she would refuse to accept them from Sony packed this way. I told her I suspected she would lose her job when Sony complained to UPS management and left with the monitor. I took it to the local FedEx place and the guy there was THRILLED that I had it in the original packaging and laughed when I told him what happened at UPS. The monitor made it to the buyer without any problems. The smile from the lady at FedEx is probably because she realizes that no matter how careful she is with it, it really doesn't matter once it leaves her hands. She can't tell everyone else along the way how to handle the package. Everything should be handled with care unless marked "NOT FRAGILE". The problem is that it would cause shipping fees to go even higher than they are now as they would need more people to move the same volume of packages through their system. I have decided to avoid UPS as much as possible as they seem to be worse than the other options. I've had more hassles with them and receive more packages that look like they've been run over by an angry driver than from all the other options combined. The others aren't perfect either - it's a matter of choosing the least evil. Sorry for the rant, but I feel a bit better now :). -- Geoffrey Reynolds ----- Original Message ----- From: rockykhan11 at netzero.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 1:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 66, Issue 8 I have had bad experience with them and I do not use UPS anymore. Please note that UPS and FedEx both DO NOT recognize "FRAGILE" . This was told to me after my incident both by UPS and FedEx folks. Only USPS recognizes it officially. The UPS goes out of its way to Deny your claim and it is a Catch 22 process to get any money out of them, especially if it is a small amount. UPS broke the plastic door on my RX-202 and upon calling them, they were not only rude but the clearly told me NOT to expect any response from them. The lady said, " Please contact the seller who insured it for you, We cannot talk to you" . It was an eye-opening experience. When I contacted the seller they told give him the BS also and the door is now glued and it looks ugly. My advice is to insure the item for at least $500 or more (regardless of what you pay for it) and pack it as good as you can. I now use FedEx Ground and beg the counter lady every time not to toss the box around. 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I will take a look and get back to you. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Aug 8 02:23:27 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:23:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] TEST RESULTS: The "D2" Capstan Belt Message-ID: <080820080023.7676.489B91FF0005B56400001DFC22155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I'll get right to the point: FRED HAS FINALLY DONE IT. I thought that his 8096D belt was the best available capstan belt for Nakamichi decks with the classic dual-capstan transport. I was wrong. Fred has come up with something even better. Fred's new "D2" belt IS THE REAL DEAL. I am confident that this belt IS the original Nakamichi 8096C capstan belt. This belt offers GENUINE Nakamichi performance that should easily satisfy everyone but the most stubborn "NOS-or-nothing" users. Fred has managed to do the impossible. He has managed to get BRAND NEW capstan belts manufactured for the classic Nakamichi transport -- the best tape transport in the world, but notorious for being EXTREMELY picky about the type of belt it uses. The best part is that Fred's belts offer excellent, world-beating performance at a modest price. Those of us who want to keep our classic dual-capstan Nakamichi decks running their best no longer need to go to EXORBITANT SERVICE LABS to buy one of their outrageously high priced NOS capstan belts. Fred's belt is, for all intents and purposes, a NAKAMICHI belt that gives you NAKAMICHI performance. CASE IN POINT: I had a customer with a 480 that was experiencing severe tape skew problems because its original 8096C capstan belt had stretched beyond its usable limit. At first, I installed Fred's 8096D belt, just to see what would happen. Needless to say, the tape skew was cured and the deck worked, but W&F measured just a tad too high -- approximately 0.09% WTD RMS. Then I installed the "D2" belt....MUCH, MUCH BETTER. The 480 repeatedly gave me wow & flutter readings of less than 0.07% WTD RMS, with dips as low as *below* 0.05% WTD RMS. On the unweighted scale, wow & flutter never exceeded 0.13%, with occasional dips to 0.11%. I measured the deck three different times, and I got the same readings each time. All measurements were taken with my Nakamichi T-100. This performance is right in line with the performance that Tom Brucker has measured. I will now be using Fred's "D2" belt on ALL of my repairs of Nakamichi dual-capstan decks with the classic transport. I will also be using this belt on my personal decks. Fred is to be congratulated for bringing such a high-quality (and badly needed) product to Nakamichi fans everywhere, and at such an incredibly low price. In my opinion, Fred's "D2" belt is the ONLY belt that anyone should ever consider using for their classic dual-capstan Nakamichi deck. DISCLAIMER: I am not affiliated with Fred or his business in any way, except as a satisfied customer of his. I will NOT profit in any way from any sale that Fred does or does not make. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: It makes no difference to me if Fred sells one million belts or zero belts. *andy* From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Aug 8 02:41:39 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:41:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 66, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: <20080807.122619.15189.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <489B9643.2010203@verizon.net> The only claim I ever filed was with FedEx, for demolishing a DVD player. They explained that the person paying them for the shipping and insurance was the insured and if it belonged to someone else, it was the insured responsibility to reimburse the actual owner. They did require proof of value. Once provided, they settled in two or three weeks. The whole thing was quite painless. -- Ron Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > If you insure it for an amount, you need to be prepared to prove that > value when you file a damage claim. The policy for handling a claim > seems very counterintuitive as the shipper (the person who paid THEM > for the shipping) is the one who has to file the claim, collect any > funds, and reimburse the recipient. The only time this process REALLY > makes sense is when you ship something to someone for repair as you > are the owner of the item, so it makes sense for it to be your problem > to go through the process of getting your money back. In most other > cases, the party that is the shipper (usually) already has their money > (usually from selling the item to the recipient) and doesn't really > have the same incentive to fight for the money. I went through the > process with UPS earlier this year when they killed a Mark Levinson CD > transport that I sold on Audiogon. The buyer was fortunate that he > was dealing with an honest seller. Once the problem was identified, I > offered him a full refund, which he eventually accepted after UPS > picked the transport up for inspection, damaged it further during the > inspection, and then returned it to me (apparently, returning the item > to the shipper is part of the standard process). It took me many > months of fighting with them, but I eventually got them to pay out for > the full amount of the repair estimate plus what I had paid for > shipping and insurance. If they hadn't caused further (cosmetic) > damage during their inspection, I'm almost positive I would not have > won the claim without taking them to court (and that would drag things > out further, cost $$$, and wouldn't guarantee a positive result anyway). > > The whole system is a mess. They'll gladly accept your money to > insure the item for whatever amount you claim. But when you file a > damage claim, their first response is that the item wasn't packed > properly. Don't they have some amount of responsibility to make sure > the packing is acceptable BEFORE they accept your money for > insurance??? If you read the fine print on their web site, they > actually say something to the effect of "the package should be able to > withstand a 6 foot drop onto a concrete floor" - why on earth should a > properly handled package have to survive such a fall? Should it have > to survive being driven over by an 18 wheeler too? Good grief. > > I had a big 21" Sony CRT computer monitor that I sold on eBay a few > years ago. I had the original box and all the original packing for it > and packed it exactly as it had been originally shipped to me. I took > it to the local UPS place and the woman refused to accept it saying > that it wasn't properly packaged (a bit of kudos to her for at least > inspecting the packaging job). I asked her how it ever got shipped to > me that way (via UPS, in fact) and if she would refuse to allow Sony > to ship monitors this way. She told me that she would refuse to > accept them from Sony packed this way. I told her I suspected she > would lose her job when Sony complained to UPS management and left > with the monitor. I took it to the local FedEx place and the guy > there was THRILLED that I had it in the original packaging and laughed > when I told him what happened at UPS. The monitor made it to the > buyer without any problems. > > The smile from the lady at FedEx is probably because she realizes that > no matter how careful she is with it, it really doesn't matter once it > leaves her hands. She can't tell everyone else along the way how to > handle the package. > > Everything should be handled with care unless marked "NOT FRAGILE". > The problem is that it would cause shipping fees to go even higher > than they are now as they would need more people to move the same > volume of packages through their system. > > I have decided to avoid UPS as much as possible as they seem to be > worse than the other options. I've had more hassles with them and > receive more packages that look like they've been run over by an angry > driver than from all the other options combined. The others aren't > perfect either - it's a matter of choosing the least evil. > > Sorry for the rant, but I feel a bit better now :). > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* rockykhan11 at netzero.com > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2008 1:26 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 66, Issue 8 > > I have had bad experience with them and I do not use UPS anymore. > Please note that UPS and FedEx both DO NOT recognize "FRAGILE" . > This was told to me after my incident both by UPS and FedEx folks. > Only USPS recognizes it officially. The UPS goes out of its way to > Deny your claim and it is a Catch 22 process to get any money out > of them, especially if it is a small amount. UPS broke the plastic > door on my RX-202 and upon calling them, they were not only rude > but the clearly told me NOT to expect any response from them. The > lady said, " Please contact the seller who insured it for you, We > cannot talk to you" . It was an eye-opening experience. When I > contacted the seller they told give him the BS also and the door > is now glued and it looks ugly. > > My advice is to insure the item for at least $500 or more > (regardless of what you pay for it) and pack it as good as you > can. I now use FedEx Ground and beg the counter lady every time > not to toss the box around. I receive a smile every time which > I don't know how to take!!. > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Aug 8 14:37:27 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:37:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5A with incorrect reel motors? Message-ID: <080820081237.24006.489C3E070008004100005DC622155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, David: One way to interpret that sticker is that it indicates the maximum counter reading when one side of a TDK SA-90 is finished playing. That's what I thought it meant, anyway. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Aug 8 15:02:12 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:02:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: UPS Idiots Message-ID: <080820081302.1911.489C43D40005D8C20000077722165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Geoffrey: I enjoyed reading your detailed post about the horrors of dealing with UPS. I have had the same experience with UPS. Every damaged package I have ever received came to me through UPS. I am convinced that they hire trained gorillas to process packages. (Wait, I'm wrong...scratch "trained" from that sentence.) I have had more mishaps with UPS than I have ever had with the U.S. Mail, FedEx, and DHL....COMBINED. And to top it off, shipping with UPS tends to run A LOT higher than FedEx, at least in my area. I sold an electric guitar on eBay one time. The buyer lived halfway across the country. I fully packed and padded the guitar and took it to the UPS Store. UPS wanted almost 50 dollars to ship it. I KNEW I could do better. I took it to the FedEx place, where I was charged just a little over 18 dollars for EXACTLY the same shipping destination and insurance amount. Needless to say, I don't darken the doorway of UPS any more! There is one thing you said that puzzles me. You said that UPS paid your insurance claim for the Mark Levinson CD transport AND that they returned it to you. Every time I have ever had to pursue a claim with UPS, they tell me that they must KEEP the damaged item when they pay an insurance claim. This one fact alone has prevented me from following through on a claim the couple of times I have tried to pursue it. BUT....UPS can't even get their story straight about this policy...read on.... I had a customer ship me a MINT CR-5A for repair. The deck was packed and shipped by a UPS Store. The UPS Store did a MISERABLE job of packing, using only a couple of pieces of brown paper padding in a VERY small box, and the deck arrived with a nasty bashed corner on the front faceplate. (NOTE: I find it somewhat ironic that the UPS Store failed to follow the same UPS packing guidelines that they love to refer to whenever you walk in there, trying to file a claim!) I won't bore you with the details of the customer's insurance claim, except to give you these hilarious facts: 1) I repaired the deck and shipped it back to the customer in MY OWN packaging. I used FedEx to ship the deck. It arrived with NO problems whatsoever. 2) The customer filed a claim at his local UPS Store (the same store that packed the deck). 3) Since my customer filed the claim, I have had UPS drivers come to my house on two separate occasions, trying to pick up the damaged item! On both occasions, I tell them that the item in question is in the hands of my customer, and that I have NOTHING to give them. 4) This last time a UPS driver came to my house to pick up the item, I told her the story of the damaged CR-5A and mentioned that the owner of the deck DOES NOT want to let the deck leave his hands. She told me in no uncertain terms that UPS *must* keep the item before they pay ANY insurance claim. 5) I checked the status of the insurance claim by contacting my customer, who informed me that he just got a nice check from UPS...and the deck is sitting in his house, making great music. Go figure!!! *andy* From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 8 23:20:09 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:20:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: UPS Idiots In-Reply-To: <080820081302.1911.489C43D40005D8C20000077722165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <080820082120.27136.489CB8880006DEB800006A0022218675169B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> I have refused, since approx a year ago to deal with in any way with UPS. If the seller accepts to ship via DHL/FED or US Postal, we can proceed foward with the transaction. Otherwise, any indication of hestance by the fowarding party will be met with...... FAHGITABOUTIT ! -------------- Original message from hwbosshoss at comcast.net: -------------- > > Hi, Geoffrey: > > I enjoyed reading your detailed post about the horrors of dealing with UPS. > I have had the same experience with UPS. Every damaged package I have ever received came to me through UPS. I am convinced that they hire trained gorillas to process packages. (Wait, I'm wrong...scratch "trained" from that sentence.) I have had more mishaps with UPS than I have ever had with the U.S. Mail, FedEx, > and DHL....COMBINED. > And to top it off, shipping with UPS tends to run A LOT higher than FedEx, at least in my area. I sold an electric guitar on eBay one time. The buyer lived halfway across the country. I fully packed and padded the guitar and took it to the UPS Store. UPS wanted almost 50 dollars to ship it. I KNEW I could do better. I took it to the FedEx place, where I was charged just a little over 18 dollars for EXACTLY the same shipping destination and insurance amount. > Needless to say, I don't darken the doorway of UPS any more! > > There is one thing you said that puzzles me. > > You said that UPS paid your insurance claim for the Mark Levinson CD transport > AND that they returned it to you. > > Every time I have ever had to pursue a claim with UPS, they tell me that they > must KEEP the damaged item when they pay an insurance claim. This one fact > alone has prevented me from following through on a claim the couple of times I > have tried to pursue it. > > BUT....UPS can't even get their story straight about this policy...read on.... > > I had a customer ship me a MINT CR-5A for repair. The deck was packed and > shipped by a UPS Store. > > The UPS Store did a MISERABLE job of packing, using only a couple of pieces of > brown paper padding in a VERY small box, and the deck arrived with a nasty > bashed corner on the front faceplate. (NOTE: I find it somewhat ironic that the > UPS Store failed to follow the same UPS packing guidelines that they love to > refer to whenever you walk in there, trying to file a claim!) > > I won't bore you with the details of the customer's insurance claim, except to > give you these hilarious facts: > > 1) I repaired the deck and shipped it back to the customer in MY OWN packaging. > I used FedEx to ship the deck. It arrived with NO problems whatsoever. > > 2) The customer filed a claim at his local UPS Store (the same store that packed > the deck). > > 3) Since my customer filed the claim, I have had UPS drivers come to my house on > two separate occasions, trying to pick up the damaged item! On both occasions, > I tell them that the item in question is in the hands of my customer, and that I > have NOTHING to give them. > > 4) This last time a UPS driver came to my house to pick up the item, I told her > the story of the damaged CR-5A and mentioned that the owner of the deck DOES NOT > want to let the deck leave his hands. She told me in no uncertain terms that > UPS *must* keep the item before they pay ANY insurance claim. > > 5) I checked the status of the insurance claim by contacting my customer, who > informed me that he just got a nice check from UPS...and the deck is sitting in > his house, making great music. > > Go figure!!! > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rockykhan11 at netzero.com Sat Aug 9 17:07:47 2008 From: rockykhan11 at netzero.com (rockykhan11 at netzero.com) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 15:07:47 GMT Subject: [naktalk] RE UPS Idiots Message-ID: <20080809.100747.16121.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> UPS is the worst shipping company in my opinion. I purchased a RX-202 over eBay and the seller shipped it from a UPS store. It arrived with broken plastic window. Now those of you who know the 202, or 303 or 505 series, they know that the whole beauty of these decks is in the door and how it rotates the tape. Anyway, I called UPS claims office and they off the bat told me that they will not pay and they MAY send a person out to pick up the deck plus they asked me to call the seller to file a claim as they cannot take a claim from me. It was a nightmare and I, nor the seller to this day did not get any penny . Nothing worked. From that day, I never ship anything via UPS and recommend the same to everyone. I double pack my decks when they go for tuneups or repairs and always FedEx. One note: Both FedEx and UPS (aka Oops) told me that they do not recognize the term "FRAGILE". Only USPS recognizes this term. Also the claim system is the most strange. Even the buyer pays for the insurance through seller, buyer has not right to claim since he did not write the check to UPS. Its a Catch-22. msk ____________________________________________________________ Looking for insurance? Compare and save today. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijmN4K7z4B4SBAohXnj7ma6nYb6qAQK1aWThj4lEU3y52GZGQ/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom.Masterson at Colorado.EDU Fri Aug 8 22:12:47 2008 From: Tom.Masterson at Colorado.EDU (Thomas Masterson) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:12:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FW: nak680zx jam, help please! Message-ID: <000101c8f993$207052c0$6d01a8c0@hsd1.co.comcast.net> -----Original Message----- From: Tom Masterson [mailto:masterst at colorado.edu] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:37 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: nak680zx jam, help please! I have a Nakamichi 680ZX Today it played to the end of a tape, then the mechanism jammed. I cannot eject the tape (whether the unit is turned on or off) It will not rewind (or play, or FF) I know that the eject lever is fragile, and do not wish to force it. Is there a way to manually eject the tape? Any suggestions regarding what needs to be done to fix the jamming mode? Thanks, tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 05:53:17 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FW: nak680zx jam, help please! In-Reply-To: <000101c8f993$207052c0$6d01a8c0@hsd1.co.comcast.net> Message-ID: <568796.3854.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Willy has done rebuilds on these and similar decks with great success. You might want to wait for him to post a reply before trying anything. He knows his way around this mechanism. David --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Thomas Masterson wrote: > > I have a Nakamichi 680ZX > > Today it played to the end of a tape, then the mechanism > jammed. > > I cannot eject the tape (whether the unit is turned on or > off) > > It will not rewind (or play, or FF) > > I know that the eject lever is fragile, and do not wish to > force it. > > Is there a way to manually eject the tape? > > Any suggestions regarding what needs to be done to fix the > jamming mode? > > Thanks, tom > From john.bowley at mypostoffice.co.uk Sun Aug 10 10:20:37 2008 From: john.bowley at mypostoffice.co.uk (Dave Bowley) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:20:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FW: nak680zx jam, help please! References: <000101c8f993$207052c0$6d01a8c0@hsd1.co.comcast.net> Message-ID: <002201c8fac1$f7d62da0$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Tom Most likely is that there is tape wound around the take up spool due to 'various issues'. You should be able still to remove the outer windowed door by sliding it up & off the fixed metal rear part & with the aid of a light check this out. I had the same situation with a jammed 480Z but [aside from the ruined cassette which had to be sacrificed] skilful use of a modelling knife enabled removsal by cutting through of the tape. This had to then be followed by a very thorough clean of the rollers plus a spray treatment to restore their grip & a little lube on their pivot points, plus a clean for the capstan ends to remove any oxide build up. After this and a subsequent belt kit change [aside from the 8096 capstan one] the deck issues were gone. Hope this is of use Regards dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Masterson To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: tom.masterson at colorado.edu Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] FW: nak680zx jam, help please! -----Original Message----- From: Tom Masterson [mailto:masterst at colorado.edu] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:37 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: nak680zx jam, help please! I have a Nakamichi 680ZX Today it played to the end of a tape, then the mechanism jammed. I cannot eject the tape (whether the unit is turned on or off) It will not rewind (or play, or FF) I know that the eject lever is fragile, and do not wish to force it. Is there a way to manually eject the tape? Any suggestions regarding what needs to be done to fix the jamming mode? 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Message-ID: <081020081201.24741.489ED8B100086408000060A522120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Tom: Here's how to get your 680ZX out of Play mode... 1) UNPLUG YOUR DECK for safety reasons. Safety first! 2) Remove the top of the deck by loosening the four screws on the sides (two on each side). 3) Look straight down at the tape transport assembly. Toward the right, you will notice a LARGE white plastic gear sitting vertically in between the two large metal plates that make up the frame of the assembly. This gear has a large white plastic lever resting just behind it. 4) Use your finger to firmly but GENTLY nudge the top of the large white plastic gear. Aim your nudging to the RIGHT -- you are rotating this gear CLOCKWISE. The gear will feel a bit "heavy" to move, but IT SHOULD MOVE with a minimum of effort. Keep nudging, bit by bit, until you can eject your cassette with normal pressure on the Eject lever. 5) While you have the top of the deck removed, see if you can check the tension of the control belt. Just on the other side of the white lever, further back, you will notice a white plastic pulley that is almost as big as the gear you just nudged. The control belt goes around this pulley and leads down to a small pulley on an electric motor. The control belt should have a fair amount of tension. It should not feel "floppy" or loose. If you can grab this belt and easily move it up and down WITHOUT rotating either pulley, it's time to replace this belt. Good Luck, and let me know what you find. *andy* From lists at richardhess.com Sun Aug 10 19:57:14 2008 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:57:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE UPS Idiots In-Reply-To: <20080809.100747.16121.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> References: <20080809.100747.16121.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <0MKpCa-1KSFDA2G7a-000575@mrelay.perfora.net> At 11:07 AM 2008-08-09, rockykhan11 at netzero.com wrote: >One note: Both FedEx and UPS (aka Oops) told me that they do not >recognize the term "FRAGILE". Only USPS recognizes this term. And...UPS uses the fact that the shipper put a FRAGILE sticker on the carton to indicate that the shipper did not think it was properly packed to survive a 4-foot fall onto concrete (or some test like that). Putting a FRAGILE sticker on a UPS package will torpedo your opportunity to make a claim as they will claim improper packaging. I had several instrumentation tape recorders (which I was mainly getting for parts) trashed by UPS (plastic covers cracked, mostly) but that is because the person who sent them to me (I can't complain much as he gave me the machines and the packing, I paid shipping) put them in cartons and then poured in foam peanuts. About the worst thing you can do with a 50-pound machine. My technique of late for fragile things is to wrap them in at least four inches of small-cell bubble wrap and then put that in a sturdy carton. When I packed my Dragons for the move, I wrapped them in the white foam they use for dishes, then corrugated cardboard, then about two inches of bubble wrap inside double wall cartons. Cheers, Richard Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 20:12:27 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] [maktalk] Re: UPS Idiots In-Reply-To: <200808101003.m7AA1JvO001675@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <390192.10247.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I'm learning that this issue is very 'regional' and unlike Ron's experience with FedEx, mine was quite the opposite in filing a claim. In fact, it was a virtual war of attrition with me as the loser. The seller decided that he could reinvent packing methods and sent a very heavy receiver wrapped in towels and other odd packing material....a true numbnuts. The glass front panel was broken upon arrival. We have no FedEx office here and so they come from 50 miles away. Their claim documentation for me to fill out was SEVEN pages AND they wanted their gorillas to come get the unit, take it back to their warehouse (break it further) and then render a decision. I'm still looking for a glass company that can cut me the front glass panel properly. Other than that though, FedEx here is FAR better than UPS in actual 'damage' factor. While I might be able to claim better with UPS, they will do their best to virtually destroy anything that comes here, no matter how it's packed. It's a fine world we live in when I send a package to someone and never expect it to get there undamaged or conversely, receive a package in some sort of damaged condition as a rule. Roughly, anything that comes here somewhat west of the Mississippi has a fighting chance. However, anything that comes here from The South or Eastern Seaboard will test the; 'able to withstand being dropped from six feet onto a concrete floor', creed. And as stated before, most of the time you as a shipper will have to establish real value, not inflated value. And as correctly stated, the shipper has to file the claim and be interested in doing so-mine was not. I've had some sellers just send me the paperwork and wash their hands of all involvement-common practice and not at all routinely acceptable by the freight companies for claims. Again, this is where the dishonest types have ruined the process for the rest of us......just like the fraudulent claims debacle that happened with PayPal and dishonest buyers. Sometimes for value all we can do is copy ebay auction prices and hope for the best...it's not like there is a Kelly Blue Book of used vintage electronics. Kevin Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:20:09 +0000 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: UPS Idiots To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <080820082120.27136.489CB8880006DEB800006A0022218675169B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B at att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have refused, since approx a year ago to deal with in any way with UPS. If the seller accepts to ship via DHL/FED or US Postal, we can proceed foward with the transaction. Otherwise, any indication of hestance by the fowarding party will be met with...... FAHGITABOUTIT ! -------------- Original message from hwbosshoss at comcast.net: -------------- From gtsdave at bellsouth.net Sun Aug 10 21:03:16 2008 From: gtsdave at bellsouth.net (gtsdave) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 15:03:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL help Message-ID: <005301c8fb1b$c28c1bf0$6101a8c0@neptune> I was trouble shooting a gradual reduction in sound quality and taking voltage readings. May have shorted a wire wrap connection to another with my test lead (BL6 to BL10 on CPU P.C.B. B) -12V and Ground, or may have been coincidence when I was measuring BL6. Either way, the voltages measure fine, I still get -/+ 12VDC through out, however, I have no sound; the meter is on but no movement, even when using the EXT. noise reduction path. Also, when I press eject, or use a tape with the record tabs still in place, the REC button lights up. The cassette tape still moves, all the lights still work, the controls still operate. I have switched on the 400hz and switched meters to source and still nothing. What are some things I can check? I do have prints. By the way, R683 measures o.k. It is like it is in some form of mute. David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 22:01:47 2008 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:01:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 mkII Message-ID: <2dc74f680808101301p92c7cfo60b1f250d4f18629@mail.gmail.com> Hi I'm looking for a Nak to record music with mics on. Would a Nak 600 mkII do the trick? Thanks, Fergus From EL34GUY at aol.com Sun Aug 10 22:20:55 2008 From: EL34GUY at aol.com (EL34GUY at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:20:55 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 682zx tape selector switch Message-ID: Hello, Does anyone have or know what works from which decks for the tape selector switch on the 682zx? Mine works but is broken off. Not super critical but I would like to replace it sometime. Thanks Mark **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 22:44:45 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:44:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FW: nak680zx jam, help please! In-Reply-To: <568796.3854.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <489f5349.1b068e0a.17d6.ffffecd6@mx.google.com> Usually this problem is caused by the cam not turning. Either the cam motor has a dead spot on it, in which case turning it manually slightly will make the mechanism work again or the belt from the cam motor to the flywheel is stretched and slipping, in which case replace it. Turning that cam by hand should allow you to remove your tape. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of fripp_em Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 8:53 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: nak680zx jam, help please! Willy has done rebuilds on these and similar decks with great success. You might want to wait for him to post a reply before trying anything. He knows his way around this mechanism. David --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Thomas Masterson wrote: > > I have a Nakamichi 680ZX > > Today it played to the end of a tape, then the mechanism jammed. > > I cannot eject the tape (whether the unit is turned on or > off) > > It will not rewind (or play, or FF) > > I know that the eject lever is fragile, and do not wish to force it. > > Is there a way to manually eject the tape? > > Any suggestions regarding what needs to be done to fix the jamming > mode? > > Thanks, tom > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 23:05:27 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] UPS Idiots In-Reply-To: <390192.10247.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <27475.41721.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My company is using DHL and that has been pretty good so far. One thing you can think about is getting an account with your carrier, printing a shipping label for your account and sending it to the person who is shipping to you. That way you can file the claim if needed. Does that sound doable? I've also had success with USPS if the item is packed well, but my experience is limited. As for the fraudulent ebay experience we keep hearing about, there was an article in my consumers reports money adviser about last years record breaking internet crime (in dollars reported). The big increase was from internet auction fraud. You can read the IC3 report at www.ic3.gov and file a complaint if you are a victim of fraud. Note in the report the importance of a lack of face to face contact between the parties in internet fraud. That is why I prefer local purchases where I can pick up the item and maybe see it before bidding. Note, as an honest ebay buyer, I found the seller complaints interesting, just too much of it. It goes both ways and if you are really the victim of fraud go to the IC3 web site and file a complaint. If you give enough information it will get referred to law enforcement. You are paying taxes on the money you make from your auctions to help fund law enforcement, right? David From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sun Aug 10 23:18:25 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sank In-Reply-To: <002101c8f5af$29f36cc0$192618ac@MWDrews> Message-ID: <230907.8477.qm@web50510.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Walter, Someone on ebay is selling S. Sank modified Mics, so it looks like Sank has a business. If you file a fraud complaint, you might give this information: http://stores.ebay.com/Pro-Audio-Heaven I got this on the "Is Stephen Sank a Crook?" thread at http://www.electrical.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=184366 which you probably have already seen. Good Luck, David --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Walter Drewes wrote: > From: Walter Drewes > He has had 2 decks of mine (Drsgon and CR 7) for 3 years > now! He does not > respond to repeated eMails either! > Although I am in South Africa,certain means will be > excercised to recover > the decks(kaput or repaired.) > Walter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fripp_em" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:58 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 - Recording Problem > > > > So last I heard Sank had something like a 2 to 4 year > turn around on his > > work? Is he back in business and do members have good > customer service > > and turn around to report? I wouldn't recommend > anyone unless I knew > > there were current good reviews of that person's > work that replaced the > > "help I can't get my deck back" messages > we all observed. > > > > Perhaps Mr. Sank would like to come on the list and > give us an update. If > > someone is in contact with him it would be nice to > hear from him. Didn't > > some members give up on getting their deck back? > > > > David > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Gutte Neshome > wrote: > > > >> Ship to Steve Sank for repair...... > > From dougg at mmsav.com Mon Aug 11 01:06:04 2008 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:06:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FW: nak680zx jam, help please! In-Reply-To: <000101c8f993$207052c0$6d01a8c0@hsd1.co.comcast.net> References: <000101c8f993$207052c0$6d01a8c0@hsd1.co.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD42A2C754162@mail.mmsav.com> Hi Tom, You can take the clear door off and see if the tape is wrapped around one of the capstan shafts. If so, you can spin the flywheels backwars by hand to loosen the tape. If not, and the pressure rollers are still engaged it is probably just the control motor belt or the motor itself. Do you hear the motor spinning when the deck boots up? You are correct about the fragile eject lever. It is best to always take the front panel off before attempting any service work. And by all means don't take it apart at all if you are not familiar with servicing electronics. Good luck. Doug ________________________________ From: Thomas Masterson [Tom.Masterson at Colorado.EDU] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: tom.masterson at Colorado.EDU Subject: [naktalk] FW: nak680zx jam, help please! -----Original Message----- From: Tom Masterson [mailto:masterst at colorado.edu] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 1:37 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: nak680zx jam, help please! I have a Nakamichi 680ZX Today it played to the end of a tape, then the mechanism jammed. I cannot eject the tape (whether the unit is turned on or off) It will not rewind (or play, or FF) I know that the eject lever is fragile, and do not wish to force it. Is there a way to manually eject the tape? Any suggestions regarding what needs to be done to fix the jamming mode? Thanks, tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Aug 11 09:19:29 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:19:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL help Message-ID: <67EE6166-EEFB-4ECC-9D7C-D3DE3B68FD71@alumni.caltech.edu> do you get anything playing a previously recorded tape? (p.s using the external nr usually complicates things--try to get it to work w/no nr first) From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Aug 11 09:25:46 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:25:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stupid wannabe EE question Message-ID: Ugh, I was hoping to avoid bothering Jeff. I'm not sure how you mean about using the 480, which has a large circular transformer with different contact and windings (2 center taps on the output side and one on the input side vs. just one on the input side)? Or is that the stone-age part (physically it's a big roundie thing rather than a small square-y thing).-kby > Kimo, B6646 is the Nakamichi part number. No description is given > in the manual. I would contact Jeff at ESL and buy one there. This > transformer does not drive the erase head, so its turns ratio and > inductance are different from most other Nakamichi decks. > If you did want to make some measurements you would need an > oscilloscope and an inductance meter or impedence bridge. > One stone age trick might be to install a transformer from a > 480, and compare the bias amplituse and frequency with your known > good transformer. Frequency can be varied if the transformer has an > adjustable core, or by changing values of C104/C204. Amplitude can > be adjusted a few ways. Since I expect the bias level would be too > high, increasing R118/R218 could be used to adjust > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Mon Aug 11 09:32:08 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:32:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 mkII In-Reply-To: <2dc74f680808101301p92c7cfo60b1f250d4f18629@mail.gmail.com> References: <2dc74f680808101301p92c7cfo60b1f250d4f18629@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7089B54F-2E67-4CD8-A53B-26DA6D3FB004@kvglabs.com> Absolutely, but with the caveat that you'll need an external microphone amplifiers, such as the matching Nakamichi 610 or any other good-quality microphone preamplifiers. Since the mid-1970s I've recorded live onto the 600 and 600-II from either a Nakamichi 610 preamplifier, a Shure M688 compact mixer, or my own design of microphone preamplifiers with outstanding results from each setup. The Nakamichi 350, 500, 550, 700 and 1000 all have outstanding built- in microphone amplifiers. The 550 was designed especially for recording from microphones, with the added advantage of being battery powered (from eight D-size dry cells) and portable enough for all but the most remoter portage. On Aug 10, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > Hi > > I'm looking for a Nak to record music with mics on. > Would a Nak 600 mkII do the trick? > > Thanks, > Fergus > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From luis at peromarta.org Mon Aug 11 09:54:34 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:54:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 mkII In-Reply-To: <7089B54F-2E67-4CD8-A53B-26DA6D3FB004@kvglabs.com> References: <2dc74f680808101301p92c7cfo60b1f250d4f18629@mail.gmail.com> <7089B54F-2E67-4CD8-A53B-26DA6D3FB004@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <464584E4-C09D-4BAD-8733-BDF24E18916A@peromarta.org> Hi Fergus, I have a mint 550 with 3 mic inputs (l, R, and blend), fully refurbished in March, with new belts and preasure roller from BW in the UK. Perfectly aligned mechanically and electronically. It comes with strap, and plastic cover, all original, plus an assorted set of mics. Owners manual, Service manual (original), Nakamichi 3-mic recording panflets, original bill of sale, etc. Contact me off-list for more information. Best rgds, LP. El 11/08/2008, a las 9:32, Kermit Gray escribió: Absolutely, but with the caveat that you'll need an external microphone amplifiers, such as the matching Nakamichi 610 or any other good-quality microphone preamplifiers. Since the mid-1970s I've recorded live onto the 600 and 600-II from either a Nakamichi 610 preamplifier, a Shure M688 compact mixer, or my own design of microphone preamplifiers with outstanding results from each setup. The Nakamichi 350, 500, 550, 700 and 1000 all have outstanding built- in microphone amplifiers. The 550 was designed especially for recording from microphones, with the added advantage of being battery powered (from eight D-size dry cells) and portable enough for all but the most remoter portage. On Aug 10, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Fergus Cullen wrote: > Hi > > I'm looking for a Nak to record music with mics on. > Would a Nak 600 mkII do the trick? > > Thanks, > Fergus > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Aug 11 11:55:48 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Stupid wannabe EE question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <271856.53319.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The transformer used is a buffer transformer - I did not look through the diagram - so I may be slightly off. Since 1000 ZXL micro processor can vary the bias voltage and so bias current on each of the channels, they have a variable HF transformer as well as probably a buffer to minimise the efect of loading. The part can be similar to CR 7A which uses similar scheme to accomplish the bias current adjustment using micro processor. Since 480 uses main HF oscillator as a part of the transformer - the part is not exactly same. Kannan --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Kimo B. Yap wrote: From: Kimo B. Yap Subject: [naktalk] Stupid wannabe EE question To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 3:25 AM Ugh, I was hoping to avoid bothering Jeff. I'm not sure how you mean about using the 480, which has a large circular transformer with different contact and windings (2 center taps on the output side and one on the input side vs. just one on the input side)? Or is that the stone-age part (physically it's a big roundie thing rather than a small square-y thing).-kby Kimo, B6646 is the Nakamichi part number. No description is given in the manual. I would contact Jeff at ESL and buy one there. This transformer does not drive the erase head, so its turns ratio and inductance are different from most other Nakamichi decks.   If you did want to make some measurements you would need an oscilloscope and an inductance meter or impedence bridge.    One stone age trick might be to install a transformer from a 480, and compare the bias amplituse and frequency with your known good transformer. Frequency can be varied if the transformer has an adjustable core, or by changing values of C104/C204.  Amplitude can be adjusted a few ways. Since I expect the bias level would be too high, increasing R118/R218 could be used to adjust ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moydan at excite.com Mon Aug 11 14:24:01 2008 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:24:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 for sale in need of repair Message-ID: <20080811082401.21484@web003.roc2.bluetie.com> Hi All, I'm selling a BX-300 I originally purchased it with the intent of fixing it, but I do not have the time and my other Bx-300 is working perfectly. I can ship just let me know your zip code and I will send you a quote. http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/ele/791037501.html Thanks, Dan From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 11 15:10:09 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:10:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sank In-Reply-To: <230907.8477.qm@web50510.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <002101c8f5af$29f36cc0$192618ac@MWDrews> <230907.8477.qm@web50510.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <081120081310.690.48A03A3000028ACA000002B222193100029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Well, I just got back from MN for what was supposedly a simple repair fix for a amplier. The shop kept stringing me along (7 mo) till finally they would not take my calls. Eventually I lost all hope and spent some money and time on plane fare and motel for a day to visit in person. When I got there the amp was sitting under piles of other junk and had been left for derelict. His office manager tried to convince me to let it stay. Thankfully, I brought an extra box and shipped it back home. My trust was severely tested and now am super cautious about sending anything without first vetting out with prior history. -------------- Original message from fripp_em : -------------- > Walter, > Someone on ebay is selling S. Sank modified Mics, so it looks like Sank has a > business. If you file a fraud complaint, you might give this information: > > http://stores.ebay.com/Pro-Audio-Heaven > I got this on the "Is Stephen Sank a Crook?" thread at > http://www.electrical.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=184366 > which you probably have already seen. Good Luck, > > David > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Walter Drewes wrote: > > > From: Walter Drewes > > > He has had 2 decks of mine (Drsgon and CR 7) for 3 years > > now! He does not > > respond to repeated eMails either! > > Although I am in South Africa,certain means will be > > excercised to recover > > the decks(kaput or repaired.) > > Walter > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "fripp_em" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:58 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7 - Recording Problem > > > > > > > So last I heard Sank had something like a 2 to 4 year > > turn around on his > > > work? Is he back in business and do members have good > > customer service > > > and turn around to report? I wouldn't recommend > > anyone unless I knew > > > there were current good reviews of that person's > > work that replaced the > > > "help I can't get my deck back" messages > > we all observed. > > > > > > Perhaps Mr. Sank would like to come on the list and > > give us an update. If > > > someone is in contact with him it would be nice to > > hear from him. Didn't > > > some members give up on getting their deck back? > > > > > > David > > > > > > --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Gutte Neshome > > wrote: > > > > > >> Ship to Steve Sank for repair...... > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Read reviews on AOL Autos.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 11 16:28:22 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:28:22 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Stupid wannabe EE question Message-ID: <6249059.1218464902011.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Aug 11 20:45:29 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:45:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Stupid wannabe EE question Message-ID: > The transformer used is a buffer transformer - I did not look > through the diagram - so I may be slightly off. Since 1000 ZXL > micro processor can vary the bias voltage and so bias current on > each of the channels, they have a variable HF transformer as well > as probably a buffer to minimise the efect of loading. The part can > be similar to CR 7A which uses similar scheme to accomplish the > bias current adjustment using micro processor. > Since 480 uses main HF oscillator as a part of the transformer - > the part is not exactly same. > Kannan Actually, the 1000zxl doesn't even have a bias transformer. It uses a completely different crystal-based/count divider kind of bias circuit.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Aug 12 06:09:47 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:09:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Accusations of fraud/criminality References: <002101c8f5af$29f36cc0$192618ac@MWDrews> <230907.8477.qm@web50510.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <107001c8fc31$43f02db0$cbd08910$@com> To All, I don't think it wise to accuse anyone of fraud or theft unless they have clear evidence that the person holding their goods or money has no intention of returning it. Hanging on to equipment sent for repair for an unreasonably length of time is not criminal - it is appalling service, it's morally dishonest and it may be a breach of the contract you have with them, but it is not criminal unless you can prove they had the intention from the outset to deprive you permanently of that which is yours. An engineer mentioned here has evidently held on far too long to equipment sent for repairs. But has anyone NEVER got their machines back? I have never heard of anyone being permanently deprived of their equipment. Some had to wait an extraordinary crime and at least one person I know had to physically get his item back. Everything gets home from him eventually. Therefore, their equipment was not stolen, there was no fraud, no criminality - just a breach of contract, and even then, it seems no one has bothered to prove that in a Court of Law. It is still "innocent until proven guilty" in the USA, isn't it? (We are not in France.) I'm not trying to defend that engineer for not returning equipment in a timely manner, nor for him breaking promises by saying he will return it and not do so. Nor do I dispute the experiences of members with regard to this person. What I question is the serious accusations of criminality and the fairness of making them in a forum as ours where the accused is unaware of what is being said and, therefore, unable to defend himself. I too have been pissed off with him for amazingly slow service when I parted with hard-earned money only to wait several months for the goods to be delivered. I even had to lend him money so he could fulfil his obligations because he had severe cash flow problems at that time (several years ago) and could not afford to post the packages. I too was worried at the time that I might have been conned. But painfully slow though it was, he delivered the goods and he paid back the loan. Indeed, he GAVE me two items of equipment, both worth at least $100 each, one of which was gifted ever before I had any business dealing with him, when he knew at that time I was so financially strapped myself there was no prospect of me giving him any business whatsoever - he knew I craved ownership of a Nak cassette deck but I couldn't afford to buy one. So, he gave me a deck that had been dead and he had renovated. (Who else here would have been so generous, then or now?) If he were criminal, would he have gifted me that equipment? If he were a criminal would he not have kept the money and given me nothing in return? He didn't know then, nor does he know now, that I could have reached him even though we live on different side of The Pond; so I would have been an ideal candidate for fraud. But he didn't steal my money. His "crime" was jaw dropping slow service and maybe a "breach of contract". But it was not "fraud" or "theft." It was crap service from someone who is kind and generous when he is able to be, and who eventually proved his honesty towards me when I had begun to doubt it. I will repeat, I don't feel this, or any other forum of this nature, are the proper places to hold court trials ESPECIALLY when those accused are not here to defend themselves. I feel it smacks of a lynch-mob mentality and against natural justice to accuse someone of a criminal offence in a place where they cannot defend themselves. If anyone feels that a criminal offence has been done to them, they may urge us to be cautious but bold accusations of fraud or theft should only be made to the relevant authorities, so the allegations may be investigated and, if necessary, tried in a Court of Law so Justice may be done. By all means let us know if the prosecution is successful! Until then, I suggest it is very improper, not to mention a contempt of the Law and US Constitution, to try someone without allowing them proper defence and doing so outside of a proper Court of Law with a judge. There may be no excuse for self-evident bad service, there would be no excuse for PROVEN theft or fraud, and there is no excuse for contemptuously ignoring the proper legal processes that exist to ensure people get a fair trial and for Justice to be served upon them. I would have kept this to myself and only mention MY experiences with the engineer to illustrate my view that a) it is a step too far to make accusations of fraud, of any criminality, and b) also to say I feel this forum is not the correct place to level any charge of criminality against anyone without their case having been proven in a Court of Law. (We've lately had too many libellous accusations of fraud as it is.) I also mention it to show the accusations of criminality against that engineer in a wider context, to show they are not consistent with my experience at least, that there are two side to this man. But if he has done wrong, see him tried in a proper Court, not here. I have stated my opinion and I do not intend to enter any discussions into the matter further, not in this forum, not privately, nor elsewhere unless it is in a Court of Law, where I would be pleased to give account of my experience. Sincerely Graham From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Aug 12 07:48:21 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:48:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <19740414223344.66C63736300637D9@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> References: <19740414223344.66C63736300637D9@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> Message-ID: <05F761A0-055B-421C-9163-D3016E0FE5F9@kvglabs.com> Although both decks have similar sound, I'd recommend the CR-5a. Why? Because I personally was disappointed with the BX-decks; they seemed flimsy and cheaply made compared to the CR series. On Aug 6, 2008, at 12:31 AM, Lindsay & Peter wrote: > Hi > > I am curious to know, given a choice which of the following decks to > go for. A BX300 or a CR 5a. Looking around the naKs website and > doing a side by side comparison of the features of both decks I see > very little immediate difference between the two. But there > individual original pricing suggests otherwise. Also considering > their respective individual ages from introduction to present date, > apart from the obvious-idler tire and belts, is either one prone to > any particular part deterioration over the other. > I would appreciate all knowledgeable input, and enjoy reading all > the postings. > > Thanks > > Bronte 883 > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Aug 12 08:05:27 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:05:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] History of stereo recording In-Reply-To: <043001c8f430$dad7c340$908749c0$@com> References: <080120081205.12739.4892FBEF000374DA000031C322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <11D12D21-75CF-4FB6-9192-ACD0F335C64F@peromarta.org> <043001c8f430$dad7c340$908749c0$@com> Message-ID: <32801CEE-66C6-4A64-AC41-FF302C388A0E@kvglabs.com> Hey Graham, I enjoyed those links! Fascinating history! I have an excellent copy of portions of the first stereo recordings made by Bell laboratories in the USA in 1932 and 1933 of Leopold Stokowski conducting the Philadelphia Philharmonic. After I meet my September production deadline I'll make copies for anyone who cares to hear stereo circa 1932-1933. The wide-spaced microphone array used by Bell Laboratories dominated early stereo recording technique in the USA, as well as audiophile labels in the late-1970s like Nautilus, Crystal Clear and others making direct-to-disc records. Bell's system likely was the basis for Nakamichi's Live Recording System. In the UK, Alan Dower-Blumlein's M/ S system offered one thing the Bell system didn't: better monaural compatibility, which is important for broadcasting. Also, the phase- matrix principle behind Blumlein's stereo method would become the basis for stereophonic FM broadcasting (FM Multiplex), Columbia Record's SQ quadriphonic sound, the original Dolby Cinema Surround Sound, Carver's Sonic Holography, plus a once-common studio signal processor called a "shuffler" that adjusts the width of a stereo image, and even the RCA Color System television standard adopted in the USA as part of the NTSC television broadcast standard. To this day recordists debate which stereo method is best: Blumlein's M/S matrix or Bell's wide-spaced array. On Aug 1, 2008, at 6:46 PM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > For those interested in the history of stereo recording, see > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7537782.stm If you are really > interested, note the BST broadcast time for the radio programme > about this > because you should be able to hear it on the Internet. > Alternatively, it > MIGHT be available later as a Podcast that you'll be able to > download - not > sure but it's highly likely > > Graham > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Aug 12 08:12:46 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:12:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak info' from Haden Boardman In-Reply-To: <10121938.1217819220324.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10121938.1217819220324.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom, I've been following the belt discussion with great interest. as many of you know i've been working on a cassette super-deck. I've finished the electronic design,m and chosen a head. The thing that has stalled the deck has been the transport. I just haven't found a transport that is good enough. I've tried some belt drive units, even with custom belts made of the highest quality materials, but no joy. Worse, my direct drive transport concept seems to be beyond the ability of anyone to build. No one I've sent RFQs to has ever submitted a bid -- they've all told me my direct drive transport design won't work or cannot be made. Frustrating beyond belief! On Aug 3, 2008, at 10:07 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > I can't recall any Nak sales training that mentioned belts in over > 20 years! Is it mentioned in brochures or white papers? > > I do recall a discussion about the Japanese use of natural non- > vulcanized rubber belts (the ones that turn to goo, like the Ampex > reel belts). One person said natural rubber had a better sound. > Another sid they didn't want to pay patent royalties for > vulcanization. I can't imagine either being true, but who knows! > > I can say that the staggered resonance tuning in the classic > transport might be compromised if belts of various cosistencies were > used. Perhaps Nak HAD to have QC'd belts, or the engineering would > fail? Our measurements always blame the belts, but the problems may > be interactions between belt and mechanism. Food for thought. > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 03:11:32 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots In-Reply-To: <200808111001.m7BA0ZDr002404@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <501402.94820.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Again David, this is a regional/geographical issue. Rural town cops are about as likely to get involved in Internet fraud cases as they are to answer stray dog calls. You mention DHL....as far as I know they have one truck here daily that comes from over 50 miles away. What few things I have had shipped here through DHL, had the virtual crap beat out of them. I would LOVE to purchase locally, but it ain't happening. Sometimes I can score stuff on craigslist that's usually closer than ebay auctions, but the only thing saved is some shipping costs and the 'likelihood' that traveling fewer freight miles will present a less damaged package. I like your idea though about printing a shipping label and sending it to the shipper. But again, you're still relying on how he/she packs said product. What makes real sense is to discuss shipping procedures even BEFORE the item sells at auction. And if they get defensive and say they "know what they are doing", but are too "insulted" to share how they pack, move on...seriously. Nothing is worse IMHO than to find a great item, in great shape, only to be defeated in some stupid shipping debacle. And in all honesty, MOST sellers have NO idea how to ship heavy, electronic units even though they claim they do. Kevin Message: 10 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:05:27 -0700 (PDT) From: fripp_em Subject: Re: [naktalk] UPS Idiots To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <27475.41721.qm at web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My company is using DHL and that has been pretty good so far. One thing you can think about is getting an account with your carrier, printing a shipping label for your account and sending it to the person who is shipping to you. That way you can file the claim if needed. Does that sound doable? I've also had success with USPS if the item is packed well, but my experience is limited. As for the fraudulent ebay experience we keep hearing about, there was an article in my consumers reports money adviser about last years record breaking internet crime (in dollars reported). The big increase was from internet auction fraud. You can read the IC3 report at www.ic3.gov and file a complaint if you are a victim of fraud. Note in the report the importance of a lack of face to face contact between the parties in internet fraud. That is why I prefer local purchases where I can pick up the item and maybe see it before bidding. Note, as an honest ebay buyer, I found the seller complaints interesting, just too much of it. It goes both ways and if you are really the victim of fraud go to the IC3 web site and file a complaint. If you give enough information it will get referred to law enforcement. You are paying taxes on the money you make from your auctions to help fund law enforcement, right? David From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 12 16:56:48 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:56:48 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Super Deck transport Message-ID: <28215888.1218553008634.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk Tue Aug 12 17:37:05 2008 From: dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk (Dave Bowley) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:37:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE Tones download In-Reply-To: <464584E4-C09D-4BAD-8733-BDF24E18916A@peromarta.org> References: <2dc74f680808101301p92c7cfo60b1f250d4f18629@mail.gmail.com> <7089B54F-2E67-4CD8-A53B-26DA6D3FB004@kvglabs.com> <464584E4-C09D-4BAD-8733-BDF24E18916A@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Luis Any chance U could advise [again] 4 me the link 2 your '4 tones' download so that I can use Thanks Dave> From: luis at peromarta.org> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 600 mkII> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:54:34 +0200> > Hi Fergus,> > I have a mint 550 with 3 mic inputs (l, R, and blend), fully > refurbished in March, with new belts and preasure roller from BW in > the UK.> Perfectly aligned mechanically and electronically.> > It comes with strap, and plastic cover, all original, plus an assorted > set of mics. Owners manual, Service manual (original), Nakamichi 3-mic > recording panflets, original bill of sale, etc.> > Contact me off-list for more information.> > Best rgds, LP.> > > > El 11/08/2008, a las 9:32, Kermit Gray escribió:> > Absolutely, but with the caveat that you'll need an external > microphone amplifiers, such as the matching Nakamichi 610 or any other > good-quality microphone preamplifiers. Since the mid-1970s I've > recorded live onto the 600 and 600-II from either a Nakamichi 610 > preamplifier, a Shure M688 compact mixer, or my own design of > microphone preamplifiers with outstanding results from each setup.> > The Nakamichi 350, 500, 550, 700 and 1000 all have outstanding built- > in microphone amplifiers. The 550 was designed especially for > recording from microphones, with the added advantage of being battery > powered (from eight D-size dry cells) and portable enough for all but > the most remoter portage.> > > On Aug 10, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Fergus Cullen wrote:> > > Hi> >> > I'm looking for a Nak to record music with mics on.> > Would a Nak 600 mkII do the trick?> >> > Thanks,> > Fergus> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > =========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > =========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > =========> > -- Kermit Gray> notarbene at kvglabs.com> KVG Laboratories> Equipment to Make Your Music Better> 16371 Lake Point Drive> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA> Telephone: 913-422-0957> Skype ID: triodelicacy> > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > =========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > =========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > =========> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Make a mini you on Windows Live Messenger! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571437/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 18:54:22 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots Message-ID: <29952.397.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Kevin, Yes, My DHL experience is limited (we get shipped to and from all over the country) and someone I know in MN who has had good experience. I've actually had boxes beat up most by Fedex and USPS, but USPS is often the best - go figure. No matter what it must be over packed! You are correct about contact with the other end and discussing packing before hand. That hasn't alway worked (twice I've very nice assurances that were not followed) but it helps. In at least one of the cases I think the person was well meaning, just didn't get it. Lately, if I get any little feeling about the other end not being OK, I just don't bid/buy. Document your experience for any item you care or worry about! Completely! Be clear on your end. Then when you file a complaint or claim you should have more of a chance. I've had at least one person email me that they didn't know about IC3 and now will file a complaint there next time they get ripped off. It won't lead to success all the time, but it is one more thing you should do when the other has skipped with you money. David --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: > From: Kevin Fetner > Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 6:11 PM > Again David, this is a regional/geographical issue. Rural > town cops are about as likely to get involved in Internet > fraud cases as they are to answer stray dog calls. You > mention DHL....as far as I know they have one truck here > daily that comes from over 50 miles away. What few things I > have had shipped here through DHL, had the virtual crap beat > out of them. > > I would LOVE to purchase locally, but it ain't > happening. Sometimes I can score stuff on craigslist > that's usually closer than ebay auctions, but the only > thing saved is some shipping costs and the > 'likelihood' that traveling fewer freight miles will > present a less damaged package. I like your idea though > about printing a shipping label and sending it to the > shipper. But again, you're still relying on how he/she > packs said product. What makes real sense is to discuss > shipping procedures even BEFORE the item sells at auction. > And if they get defensive and say they "know what they > are doing", but are too "insulted" to share > how they pack, move on...seriously. > > Nothing is worse IMHO than to find a great item, in great > shape, only to be defeated in some stupid shipping debacle. > And in all honesty, MOST sellers have NO idea how to ship > heavy, electronic units even though they claim they do. > > Kevin > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Aug 12 21:39:58 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:39:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] More info on Naks In-Reply-To: References: <10121938.1217819220324.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <015501c8fcb3$3584cba0$a08e62e0$@com> Interesting reviews here on a few Nak cassette decks, if you' ve not seen them before. http://www.analogstereo.com/cassette_deck_nakamichi.htm (Is one of our Nak brothers the owner of this site? Wouter?) I found the review about the ZXL 1000 and ZXL 1000/II interesting. The author says, "In the late 1970s Nakamichi updated their machines with the Nakamichi 1000 II, the 700 II . but overall they became more complex and less reliable." There are a few free downloadable user and service manuals to be had here, too. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kcollins400 at comcast.net Tue Aug 12 22:21:14 2008 From: kcollins400 at comcast.net (Kevin Collins) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:21:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Idler tire replacement procedure? Message-ID: <000601c8fcb8$f849d770$6700a8c0@computerroom> Hi folks, I'm new to cassette decks in general, so bear with me. I recently aquired a ZX-9, which has been stored for many years. I replaced all the belts, and while tedious, I had no problems. I'd now like to replace the idler tire, and the only referances to this I can find, say that the transport basically has to be separated in half, and that it's a booger of a job. I would appreciate any pointers you can give me. Is it necessary to remove the face first, or at all? Or is disassembly from the back of the transport the way I should be planning? Any help would be great. Thanks, Kevin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edteller at cox.net Tue Aug 12 23:16:49 2008 From: edteller at cox.net (Ed Teller) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:16:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots In-Reply-To: <29952.397.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <29952.397.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just received a MR-1 today I won on ebay. The entire transport mechanism was pushed in about 2". I popped the cover off and it's missing the screws that hold in place. I got in lined back up, and it powers up, but sounds like a jet engine spooling up, none of the transport functions work on it. The seller stated he would ship via UPS, but it arrived via parcel post, was fairly well packed in bubble wrap with air bags around that. No damage to the outer carton. What's my best line of recourse? I paid with Paypal. Here's the item description: "Nakamichi MR-1 professional cassette deck in excellent cosmetic and functional condition. This is a 3-heads/3-motors design with balanced I/O interconnects. The heads of the deck had been aligned as well as calibrated. The deck is in normal working condition and all the lights are working when pressed. The deck has very minor amount of wear. There is no manual, remote, or original box come with this sale, but extra set of 1/4" to RCA cables are included. Shipping is $35 flat including insurance by UPS ground with tracking number supplied within the U.S. NO OVERSEA SHIPPING. The unit will be well packed and protected for shipping. Payment by PayPal or Money Order within 3 days after auction is ended. The unit will be shipped within 48 hours after payment is received and cleared. This unit is used and is being sold AS IS with no return of any kind. Please ask any question(s) before bidding. Thanks for looking and good luck. Please note that I will only ship within the U.S.." Thanks, Ed Teller On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:54:22 -0400, fripp_em wrote: > Kevin, > > Yes, My DHL experience is limited (we get shipped to and from all over > the country) and someone I know in MN who has had good experience. I've > actually had boxes beat up most by Fedex and USPS, but USPS is often the > best - go figure. No matter what it must be over packed! > You are correct about contact with the other end and discussing packing > before hand. That hasn't alway worked (twice I've very nice assurances > that were not followed) but it helps. In at least one of the cases I > think the person was well meaning, just didn't get it. Lately, if I get > any little feeling about the other end not being OK, I just don't > bid/buy. > > Document your experience for any item you care or worry about! > Completely! Be clear on your end. Then when you file a complaint or > claim you should have more of a chance. > > I've had at least one person email me that they didn't know about IC3 > and now will file a complaint there next time they get ripped off. It > won't lead to success all the time, but it is one more thing you should > do when the other has skipped with you money. > > David > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: > >> From: Kevin Fetner >> Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 6:11 PM >> Again David, this is a regional/geographical issue. Rural >> town cops are about as likely to get involved in Internet >> fraud cases as they are to answer stray dog calls. You >> mention DHL....as far as I know they have one truck here >> daily that comes from over 50 miles away. What few things I >> have had shipped here through DHL, had the virtual crap beat >> out of them. >> >> I would LOVE to purchase locally, but it ain't >> happening. Sometimes I can score stuff on craigslist >> that's usually closer than ebay auctions, but the only >> thing saved is some shipping costs and the >> 'likelihood' that traveling fewer freight miles will >> present a less damaged package. I like your idea though >> about printing a shipping label and sending it to the >> shipper. But again, you're still relying on how he/she >> packs said product. What makes real sense is to discuss >> shipping procedures even BEFORE the item sells at auction. >> And if they get defensive and say they "know what they >> are doing", but are too "insulted" to share >> how they pack, move on...seriously. >> >> Nothing is worse IMHO than to find a great item, in great >> shape, only to be defeated in some stupid shipping debacle. >> And in all honesty, MOST sellers have NO idea how to ship >> heavy, electronic units even though they claim they do. >> >> Kevin >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From fripp_em at yahoo.com Tue Aug 12 22:58:23 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Accusations of fraud/criminality In-Reply-To: <107001c8fc31$43f02db0$cbd08910$@com> Message-ID: <214698.76124.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Will you help get Walter's decks back to him? Will you get Sank on this list to explain why he should be trusted in the buisness of audio restoration again? Trust is earned and it can be lost. I'm glad things worked out for you, but I don't think that helps Walter. Thanks, David --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Graham A Nelson wrote: > From: Graham A Nelson > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Accusations of fraud/criminality > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:09 PM > To All, > > I don't think it wise to accuse anyone of fraud or > theft unless they have > clear evidence that the person holding their goods or money > has no intention > of returning it. Hanging on to equipment sent for repair > for an > unreasonably length of time is not criminal - it is > appalling service, it's > morally dishonest and it may be a breach of the contract > you have with them, > but it is not criminal unless you can prove they had the > intention from the > outset to deprive you permanently of that which is yours. > > An engineer mentioned here has evidently held on far too > long to equipment > sent for repairs. But has anyone NEVER got their machines > back? I have > never heard of anyone being permanently deprived of their > equipment. Some > had to wait an extraordinary crime and at least one person > I know had to > physically get his item back. Everything gets home from > him eventually. > Therefore, their equipment was not stolen, there was no > fraud, no > criminality - just a breach of contract, and even then, it > seems no one has > bothered to prove that in a Court of Law. It is still > "innocent until > proven guilty" in the USA, isn't it? (We are not > in France.) > > I'm not trying to defend that engineer for not > returning equipment in a > timely manner, nor for him breaking promises by saying he > will return it and > not do so. Nor do I dispute the experiences of members > with regard to this > person. What I question is the serious accusations of > criminality and the > fairness of making them in a forum as ours where the > accused is unaware of > what is being said and, therefore, unable to defend > himself. > > I too have been pissed off with him for amazingly slow > service when I parted > with hard-earned money only to wait several months for the > goods to be > delivered. I even had to lend him money so he could fulfil > his obligations > because he had severe cash flow problems at that time > (several years ago) > and could not afford to post the packages. I too was > worried at the time > that I might have been conned. > > But painfully slow though it was, he delivered the goods > and he paid back > the loan. > > Indeed, he GAVE me two items of equipment, both worth at > least $100 each, > one of which was gifted ever before I had any business > dealing with him, > when > he knew at that time I was so financially strapped myself > there was no > prospect of me giving him any business whatsoever - he knew > I craved > ownership of a Nak cassette deck but I couldn't afford > to buy one. So, he > gave me a deck that had been dead and he had renovated. > (Who else here > would have been so generous, then or now?) > > If he were criminal, would he have gifted me that > equipment? > > If he were a criminal would he not have kept the money and > given me nothing > in return? > > He didn't know then, nor does he know now, that I could > have reached him > even though we live on different side of The Pond; so I > would have been an > ideal candidate for fraud. But he didn't steal my > money. His "crime" was > jaw dropping slow service and maybe a "breach of > contract". But it was not > "fraud" or "theft." It was crap > service from someone who is kind and > generous when he is able to be, and who eventually proved > his honesty > towards me when I had begun to doubt it. > > I will repeat, I don't feel this, or any other forum of > this nature, are the > proper places to hold court trials ESPECIALLY when those > accused are not > here to defend themselves. I feel it smacks of a lynch-mob > mentality and > against natural justice to accuse someone of a criminal > offence in a place > where they cannot defend themselves. > > If anyone feels that a criminal offence has been done to > them, they may urge > us to be cautious but bold accusations of fraud or theft > should only be made > to the relevant authorities, so the allegations may be > investigated and, if > necessary, tried in a Court of Law so Justice may be done. > By all means let > us know if the prosecution is successful! Until then, I > suggest it is very > improper, not to mention a contempt of the Law and US > Constitution, to try > someone without allowing them proper defence and doing so > outside of a > proper Court of Law with a judge. There may be no excuse > for self-evident > bad service, there would be no excuse for PROVEN theft or > fraud, and there > is no excuse for contemptuously ignoring the proper legal > processes that > exist to ensure people get a fair trial and for Justice to > be served upon > them. > > I would have kept this to myself and only mention MY > experiences with the > engineer to illustrate my view that a) it is a step too far > to make > accusations of fraud, of any criminality, and b) also to > say I feel this > forum is not the correct place to level any charge of > criminality against > anyone without their case having been proven in a Court of > Law. (We've > lately had too many libellous accusations of fraud as it > is.) > > I also mention it to show the accusations of criminality > against that > engineer in a wider context, to show they are not > consistent with my > experience at least, that there are two side to this man. > But if he has done > wrong, see him tried in a proper Court, not here. > > I have stated my opinion and I do not intend to enter any > discussions into > the matter further, not in this forum, not privately, nor > elsewhere unless > it is in a Court of Law, where I would be pleased to give > account of my > experience. > > Sincerely > > Graham > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From greynlds at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 23:57:38 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:57:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots In-Reply-To: References: <29952.397.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'd start by contacting the seller and seeing what he/she says - and don't proceed with repairs until you have an understanding on how the problem will be resolved with the seller. If you start fixing it and (potentially) screw it up further, that shouldn't be the seller's problem to deal with. Best of luck with it and let us know how it goes. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Teller" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots > Just received a MR-1 today I won on ebay. The entire transport mechanism > was pushed in about 2". I popped the cover off and it's missing the screws > that hold in place. I got in lined back up, and it powers up, but sounds > like a jet engine spooling up, none of the transport functions work on it. > The seller stated he would ship via UPS, but it arrived via parcel post, > was fairly well packed in bubble wrap with air bags around that. No damage > to the outer carton. What's my best line of recourse? I paid with Paypal. > Here's the item description: > > > "Nakamichi MR-1 professional cassette deck in excellent cosmetic and > functional condition. This is a 3-heads/3-motors design with balanced I/O > interconnects. The heads of the deck had been aligned as well as > calibrated. The deck is in normal working condition and all the lights are > working when pressed. The deck has very minor amount of wear. There is no > manual, remote, or original box come with this sale, but extra set of 1/4" > to RCA cables are included. > > Shipping is $35 flat including insurance by UPS ground with tracking > number supplied within the U.S. NO OVERSEA SHIPPING. The unit will be well > packed and protected for shipping. > > Payment by PayPal or Money Order within 3 days after auction is ended. The > unit will be shipped within 48 hours after payment is received and > cleared. > > This unit is used and is being sold AS IS with no return of any kind. > Please ask any question(s) before bidding. Thanks for looking and good > luck. > > Please note that I will only ship within the U.S.." > > > Thanks, > Ed Teller > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:54:22 -0400, fripp_em wrote: > >> Kevin, >> >> Yes, My DHL experience is limited (we get shipped to and from all over >> the country) and someone I know in MN who has had good experience. I've >> actually had boxes beat up most by Fedex and USPS, but USPS is often the >> best - go figure. No matter what it must be over packed! >> You are correct about contact with the other end and discussing packing >> before hand. That hasn't alway worked (twice I've very nice assurances >> that were not followed) but it helps. In at least one of the cases I >> think the person was well meaning, just didn't get it. Lately, if I get >> any little feeling about the other end not being OK, I just don't >> bid/buy. >> >> Document your experience for any item you care or worry about! >> Completely! Be clear on your end. Then when you file a complaint or >> claim you should have more of a chance. >> >> I've had at least one person email me that they didn't know about IC3 >> and now will file a complaint there next time they get ripped off. It >> won't lead to success all the time, but it is one more thing you should >> do when the other has skipped with you money. >> >> David >> >> --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: >> >>> From: Kevin Fetner >>> Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 6:11 PM >>> Again David, this is a regional/geographical issue. Rural >>> town cops are about as likely to get involved in Internet >>> fraud cases as they are to answer stray dog calls. You >>> mention DHL....as far as I know they have one truck here >>> daily that comes from over 50 miles away. What few things I >>> have had shipped here through DHL, had the virtual crap beat >>> out of them. >>> >>> I would LOVE to purchase locally, but it ain't >>> happening. Sometimes I can score stuff on craigslist >>> that's usually closer than ebay auctions, but the only >>> thing saved is some shipping costs and the >>> 'likelihood' that traveling fewer freight miles will >>> present a less damaged package. I like your idea though >>> about printing a shipping label and sending it to the >>> shipper. But again, you're still relying on how he/she >>> packs said product. What makes real sense is to discuss >>> shipping procedures even BEFORE the item sells at auction. >>> And if they get defensive and say they "know what they >>> are doing", but are too "insulted" to share >>> how they pack, move on...seriously. >>> >>> Nothing is worse IMHO than to find a great item, in great >>> shape, only to be defeated in some stupid shipping debacle. >>> And in all honesty, MOST sellers have NO idea how to ship >>> heavy, electronic units even though they claim they do. >>> >>> Kevin >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kevin.mcgee at talktalk.net Wed Aug 13 01:02:31 2008 From: kevin.mcgee at talktalk.net (Kevin McGee) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:02:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots In-Reply-To: References: <29952.397.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200808122302.m7CN2bZX017242@zxe.naks.com> Ed, I had a similar experience when a ZX-7 purchased with PayPal arrived with the transport pushed in - although in my case it was due to a combination of rough handling & the sender not packing it with enough cushionable material. It was insured with Royal Mail but they were taking too long sorting it out - plus my PayPal protection claim window was about to expire. So I claimed under PayPal article [13.12 Significantly Not As Described (c)] which states: << The item is unusable and was not disclosed as such. For example, if there are missing major parts or components, will not function or turn on or is spoiled or past a relevant date. This applies to the item in its received state, no matter what the condition when it was posted. >> ...the key being the last sentence. Might be worth noting this is PayPal UK, though should be same worldwide? here's the url: https://www.paypal.com/uk/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/policy_pbp-outside#pbp-policy Although PayPal insisted on a faxed assessment of the damage level from 'independent assessors' on letterhead (I asked Bowers & Wilkins and sent photos) they found in my favour and paid out once I'd provided proof I'd returned the ZX-7 to the seller. Good luck mate Kev At 17:16 12/08/2008 -0400, you wrote: >Just received a MR-1 today I won on ebay. The entire transport mechanism >was pushed in about 2". I popped the cover off and it's missing the screws >that hold in place. I got in lined back up, and it powers up, but sounds >like a jet engine spooling up, none of the transport functions work on it. >The seller stated he would ship via UPS, but it arrived via parcel post, >was fairly well packed in bubble wrap with air bags around that. No damage >to the outer carton. What's my best line of recourse? I paid with Paypal. >Here's the item description: > > >"Nakamichi MR-1 professional cassette deck in excellent cosmetic and >functional condition. This is a 3-heads/3-motors design with balanced I/O >interconnects. The heads of the deck had been aligned as well as >calibrated. The deck is in normal working condition and all the lights are >working when pressed. The deck has very minor amount of wear. There is no >manual, remote, or original box come with this sale, but extra set of 1/4" >to RCA cables are included. > >Shipping is $35 flat including insurance by UPS ground with tracking >number supplied within the U.S. NO OVERSEA SHIPPING. The unit will be well >packed and protected for shipping. > >Payment by PayPal or Money Order within 3 days after auction is ended. The >unit will be shipped within 48 hours after payment is received and cleared. > >This unit is used and is being sold AS IS with no return of any kind. >Please ask any question(s) before bidding. Thanks for looking and good >luck. > >Please note that I will only ship within the U.S.." > > >Thanks, >Ed Teller > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:54:22 -0400, fripp_em wrote: > >>Kevin, >> >>Yes, My DHL experience is limited (we get shipped to and from all over >>the country) and someone I know in MN who has had good experience. I've >>actually had boxes beat up most by Fedex and USPS, but USPS is often the >>best - go figure. No matter what it must be over packed! >>You are correct about contact with the other end and discussing packing >>before hand. That hasn't alway worked (twice I've very nice assurances >>that were not followed) but it helps. In at least one of the cases I >>think the person was well meaning, just didn't get it. Lately, if I get >>any little feeling about the other end not being OK, I just don't >>bid/buy. >> >>Document your experience for any item you care or worry about! >>Completely! Be clear on your end. Then when you file a complaint or >>claim you should have more of a chance. >> >>I've had at least one person email me that they didn't know about IC3 >>and now will file a complaint there next time they get ripped off. It >>won't lead to success all the time, but it is one more thing you should >>do when the other has skipped with you money. >> >>David >> >>--- On Mon, 8/11/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: >> >>>From: Kevin Fetner >>>Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 6:11 PM >>>Again David, this is a regional/geographical issue. Rural >>>town cops are about as likely to get involved in Internet >>>fraud cases as they are to answer stray dog calls. You >>>mention DHL....as far as I know they have one truck here >>>daily that comes from over 50 miles away. What few things I >>>have had shipped here through DHL, had the virtual crap beat >>>out of them. >>> >>>I would LOVE to purchase locally, but it ain't >>>happening. Sometimes I can score stuff on craigslist >>>that's usually closer than ebay auctions, but the only >>>thing saved is some shipping costs and the >>>'likelihood' that traveling fewer freight miles will >>>present a less damaged package. I like your idea though >>>about printing a shipping label and sending it to the >>>shipper. But again, you're still relying on how he/she >>>packs said product. What makes real sense is to discuss >>>shipping procedures even BEFORE the item sells at auction. >>>And if they get defensive and say they "know what they >>>are doing", but are too "insulted" to share >>>how they pack, move on...seriously. >>> >>>Nothing is worse IMHO than to find a great item, in great >>>shape, only to be defeated in some stupid shipping debacle. >>>And in all honesty, MOST sellers have NO idea how to ship >>>heavy, electronic units even though they claim they do. >>> >>>Kevin >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >-- >Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Internal Virus Database is out of date. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus >Database: 270.5.10/1587 - Release Date: 02/08/2008 17:30 > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 01:09:04 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <945095.35194.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ed, This is the $89.99 BIN deck, ebay number270260333751. First, write to the seller of the item. If he does not budge, file an item not as described complaint and then escalate this to a claim. Paypal will refund you upto  $89.99 plus the shipping you paid the seller in a month's time, after they instruct you to return the deck to the seller at your cost. Yes all you are going to be out is the return shipping. This seller apparently knew what he was selling when he listed it. Good luck. Ram --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Ed Teller wrote: From: Ed Teller Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 5:16 PM Just received a MR-1 today I won on ebay. The entire transport mechanism was pushed in about 2". I popped the cover off and it's missing the screws that hold in place. I got in lined back up, and it powers up, but sounds like a jet engine spooling up, none of the transport functions work on it. The seller stated he would ship via UPS, but it arrived via parcel post, was fairly well packed in bubble wrap with air bags around that. No damage to the outer carton. What's my best line of recourse? I paid with Paypal. Here's the item description: "Nakamichi MR-1 professional cassette deck in excellent cosmetic and functional condition. This is a 3-heads/3-motors design with balanced I/O interconnects. The heads of the deck had been aligned as well as calibrated. The deck is in normal working condition and all the lights are working when pressed. The deck has very minor amount of wear. There is no manual, remote, or original box come with this sale, but extra set of 1/4" to RCA cables are included. Shipping is $35 flat including insurance by UPS ground with tracking number supplied within the U.S. NO OVERSEA SHIPPING. The unit will be well packed and protected for shipping. Payment by PayPal or Money Order within 3 days after auction is ended. The unit will be shipped within 48 hours after payment is received and cleared. This unit is used and is being sold AS IS with no return of any kind. Please ask any question(s) before bidding. Thanks for looking and good luck. Please note that I will only ship within the U.S.." Thanks, Ed Teller On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:54:22 -0400, fripp_em wrote: > Kevin, > > Yes, My DHL experience is limited (we get shipped to and from all over > the country) and someone I know in MN who has had good experience. I've > actually had boxes beat up most by Fedex and USPS, but USPS is often the > best - go figure. No matter what it must be over packed! > You are correct about contact with the other end and discussing packing > before hand. That hasn't alway worked (twice I've very nice assurances > that were not followed) but it helps. In at least one of the cases I > think the person was well meaning, just didn't get it. Lately, if I get > any little feeling about the other end not being OK, I just don't > bid/buy. > > Document your experience for any item you care or worry about! > Completely! Be clear on your end. Then when you file a complaint or > claim you should have more of a chance. > > I've had at least one person email me that they didn't know about IC3 > and now will file a complaint there next time they get ripped off. It > won't lead to success all the time, but it is one more thing you should > do when the other has skipped with you money. > > David > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: > >> From: Kevin Fetner >> Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 6:11 PM >> Again David, this is a regional/geographical issue. Rural >> town cops are about as likely to get involved in Internet >> fraud cases as they are to answer stray dog calls. You >> mention DHL....as far as I know they have one truck here >> daily that comes from over 50 miles away. What few things I >> have had shipped here through DHL, had the virtual crap beat >> out of them. >> >> I would LOVE to purchase locally, but it ain't >> happening. Sometimes I can score stuff on craigslist >> that's usually closer than ebay auctions, but the only >> thing saved is some shipping costs and the >> 'likelihood' that traveling fewer freight miles will >> present a less damaged package. I like your idea though >> about printing a shipping label and sending it to the >> shipper. But again, you're still relying on how he/she >> packs said product. What makes real sense is to discuss >> shipping procedures even BEFORE the item sells at auction. >> And if they get defensive and say they "know what they >> are doing", but are too "insulted" to share >> how they pack, move on...seriously. >> >> Nothing is worse IMHO than to find a great item, in great >> shape, only to be defeated in some stupid shipping debacle. >> And in all honesty, MOST sellers have NO idea how to ship >> heavy, electronic units even though they claim they do. >> >> Kevin >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Aug 13 01:34:01 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:34:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots In-Reply-To: References: <29952.397.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080812233357.UGUA8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Contact the seller IMMEDIATELY and explain that it did not arrive in the condition stated. Also note that you placed a bid on the auction because UPS was cited as the shipment method. Be polite but firm. You bid, won and paid based on these facts and you were expecting to receive your item as described. Some sellers will reimburse the buyer once they receive the damaged item back. I once had a weblink that showed legally, a seller is responsible for the item from their possession until it reaches your destination and that includes the damage claim. You will and are responsible for the shipment back to the seller. That is ebay and Paypal fact. Ask me how I know!!! Was there outside damage to the box? Did you find those screws to hold the transport? Me smells a lousy, unscrupulous seller. Even if the seller agrees to reimburse, file a Buyer's Complaint with eBay to get it on record. You might need the exchange of information between you and the seller later on. So, if the seller agrees to reimburse you once you receive At 05:16 PM 8/12/2008, you wrote: >Just received a MR-1 today I won on ebay. The entire transport mechanism >was pushed in about 2". I popped the cover off and it's missing the screws >that hold in place. I got in lined back up, and it powers up, but sounds >like a jet engine spooling up, none of the transport functions work on it. >The seller stated he would ship via UPS, but it arrived via parcel post, >was fairly well packed in bubble wrap with air bags around that. No damage >to the outer carton. What's my best line of recourse? I paid with Paypal. >Here's the item description: > > >"Nakamichi MR-1 professional cassette deck in excellent cosmetic and >functional condition. This is a 3-heads/3-motors design with balanced I/O >interconnects. The heads of the deck had been aligned as well as >calibrated. The deck is in normal working condition and all the lights are >working when pressed. The deck has very minor amount of wear. There is no >manual, remote, or original box come with this sale, but extra set of 1/4" >to RCA cables are included. > >Shipping is $35 flat including insurance by UPS ground with tracking >number supplied within the U.S. NO OVERSEA SHIPPING. The unit will be well >packed and protected for shipping. > >Payment by PayPal or Money Order within 3 days after auction is ended. The >unit will be shipped within 48 hours after payment is received and cleared. > >This unit is used and is being sold AS IS with no return of any kind. >Please ask any question(s) before bidding. Thanks for looking and good >luck. > >Please note that I will only ship within the U.S.." > > >Thanks, >Ed Teller > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:54:22 -0400, fripp_em wrote: > >>Kevin, >> >>Yes, My DHL experience is limited (we get shipped to and from all over >>the country) and someone I know in MN who has had good experience. I've >>actually had boxes beat up most by Fedex and USPS, but USPS is often the >>best - go figure. No matter what it must be over packed! >>You are correct about contact with the other end and discussing packing >>before hand. That hasn't alway worked (twice I've very nice assurances >>that were not followed) but it helps. In at least one of the cases I >>think the person was well meaning, just didn't get it. Lately, if I get >>any little feeling about the other end not being OK, I just don't >>bid/buy. >> >>Document your experience for any item you care or worry about! >>Completely! Be clear on your end. Then when you file a complaint or >>claim you should have more of a chance. >> >>I've had at least one person email me that they didn't know about IC3 >>and now will file a complaint there next time they get ripped off. It >>won't lead to success all the time, but it is one more thing you should >>do when the other has skipped with you money. >> >>David >> >>--- On Mon, 8/11/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: >> >>>From: Kevin Fetner >>>Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 6:11 PM >>>Again David, this is a regional/geographical issue. Rural >>>town cops are about as likely to get involved in Internet >>>fraud cases as they are to answer stray dog calls. You >>>mention DHL....as far as I know they have one truck here >>>daily that comes from over 50 miles away. What few things I >>>have had shipped here through DHL, had the virtual crap beat >>>out of them. >>> >>>I would LOVE to purchase locally, but it ain't >>>happening. Sometimes I can score stuff on craigslist >>>that's usually closer than ebay auctions, but the only >>>thing saved is some shipping costs and the >>>'likelihood' that traveling fewer freight miles will >>>present a less damaged package. I like your idea though >>>about printing a shipping label and sending it to the >>>shipper. But again, you're still relying on how he/she >>>packs said product. What makes real sense is to discuss >>>shipping procedures even BEFORE the item sells at auction. >>>And if they get defensive and say they "know what they >>>are doing", but are too "insulted" to share >>>how they pack, move on...seriously. >>> >>>Nothing is worse IMHO than to find a great item, in great >>>shape, only to be defeated in some stupid shipping debacle. >>>And in all honesty, MOST sellers have NO idea how to ship >>>heavy, electronic units even though they claim they do. >>> >>>Kevin >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >-- >Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland From gtsdave at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 13 02:05:45 2008 From: gtsdave at bellsouth.net (gtsdave) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:05:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL help In-Reply-To: <67EE6166-EEFB-4ECC-9D7C-D3DE3B68FD71@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <000501c8fcd8$5626fbb0$6101a8c0@neptune> No. I do not get anything when playing a previously recorded tape. When using the EXT NR, I was just using looping cords, no actual electronics. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Kimo B. Yap [mailto:kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:19 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL help do you get anything playing a previously recorded tape? (p.s using the external nr usually complicates things--try to get it to work w/no nr first) From johnn380 at tx.rr.com Wed Aug 13 03:41:40 2008 From: johnn380 at tx.rr.com (John Nelson) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:41:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Please Help Message-ID: <00b001c8fce5$bbfa6a00$6400000a@John687DEA0AFB> To All, I need some help from the group. I have been trying to bring a 660zx back to life, and I am almost there. The biggest problem has been the analog meters...Tom Brucker graciously donated a set of meters from a 480 parts deck he had, and we were able to get one of the meters transplanted and working. The other was DOA. I need a working analog meter that will fit a 660zx...my email is johnn380 at tx.rr.com. Thanks to all, John Nelson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 13 07:07:24 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:07:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Gimme my money back & have a nice day In-Reply-To: References: <29952.397.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <081320080507.6302.48A26C0B000A08F20000189E22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Jeepers Ed!!! Is this your problem? NOT, IT'S definatley HIS! BTW, I lhave been returning quite a few auction items that were won fair-n-square, if'it arrives DOA, and I believe this qualifies. Why is it necessary to take such a hard stand? Because, if not you will be the proud owner of an unusable machine that may or may not be rebuildable or repaired for $$$$$$$. If you don't mind this journey then by all means please keep it. However, does it really matter if he states AS IS and not returnable? Did you have the oportunity to physically inspect it before purchasing or did you trust the listing and were you misled into beliving the description of "happily ever after". I would disagree with his statement, as long as this was not the way it was listed in the description. Too many sellers try to weasle their way out of defective merch or shipper damaged items by painting a beautiful & rosey description plus mouth watering photos, only to send out a rusty boat anchor. IMHO, I would simply repack the wounded deck exactly the way it was delivered, clearly informing him by email message and photos of the received condition and send back with tracking and delivery signature request. Don't forget politley demanding resolution by an online refund. This means No claims calls, no extra insurance forms, no pleading for mercy or begging for respect, no intimidating hassles with UPS, no everlasting insurance quagmire maze. Just a polite, please refund my account upon reciept and have a nice day. -------------- Original message from "Ed Teller" : -------------- > Just received a MR-1 today I won on ebay. The entire transport mechanism > was pushed in about 2". I popped the cover off and it's missing the screws > that hold in place. I got in lined back up, and it powers up, but sounds > like a jet engine spooling up, none of the transport functions work on it. > The seller stated he would ship via UPS, but it arrived via parcel post, > was fairly well packed in bubble wrap with air bags around that. No damage > to the outer carton. What's my best line of recourse? I paid with Paypal. > Here's the item description: > > > "Nakamichi MR-1 professional cassette deck in excellent cosmetic and > functional condition. This is a 3-heads/3-motors design with balanced I/O > interconnects. The heads of the deck had been aligned as well as > calibrated. The deck is in normal working condition and all the lights are > working when pressed. The deck has very minor amount of wear. There is no > manual, remote, or original box come with this sale, but extra set of 1/4" > to RCA cables are included. > > Shipping is $35 flat including insurance by UPS ground with tracking > number supplied within the U.S. NO OVERSEA SHIPPING. The unit will be well > packed and protected for shipping. > > Payment by PayPal or Money Order within 3 days after auction is ended. The > unit will be shipped within 48 hours after payment is received and cleared. > > This unit is used and is being sold AS IS with no return of any kind. > Please ask any question(s) before bidding. Thanks for looking and good > luck. > > Please note that I will only ship within the U.S.." > > > Thanks, > Ed Teller > > > >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Wed Aug 13 12:03:27 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:03:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Idler tire replacement procedure? In-Reply-To: <000601c8fcb8$f849d770$6700a8c0@computerroom> References: <000601c8fcb8$f849d770$6700a8c0@computerroom> Message-ID: <8CACB42F740F4DF-CC4-20C1@FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com> H Kevin, You will need to remove the faceplate?screws and twist the faceplate aside?to gain access to the screws securing the transport in place. After the transport is removed, take digital photos to remind you where things go, particularly how the wiring is arranged. Next, the sandwich of plates needs to be separated.? Note not all the screws are the same length and need to go back correctly. Once you get to the idler arm, make sure you support it by wedges or similar as it can easily snap.? Place the assembly in a large clear plastic bag while you remove the circlip that retains the wheel - or you may never see the circlip again! To remove the tyre, carefully cut it diagonally with a scalpel, being careful not to nick the plastic wheel. After stretching the new tyre on, temporarily insert a srewdriver or spindle of some sort into the axle hole and holding each side of the axle, roll the wheel back and forth on a smooth surface with moderate force and speed to ensure it is correctly seated and not bulging in any particular place. During assembly, make sure the control motor keys correctly to the hub. lubricate the capstan bearings with light oil and the flywheel end float with suitable grease. Check end float is not too loose or tight, about half a millimetre gap?is ideal. Wipe excess oil off the ends of the capstans before engaging the transport. A very small drop of oil on each of the supply and take up rubber roller axles is recommended but never use a spray type dispenser. Thats about it. BEFORE starting, if the supply and take up roller arms are stiff on their hubs, they may need to be removed and old lubricant cleaned off.? A guide height or other jig may be required for reassembly, so determine this first.? If you elect to have it done by a third party, you may be able to just send the transport away to reduce shipping the whole deck? Good Luck, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Collins To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:21 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Idler tire replacement procedure? Hi folks, I'm new to cassette decks in general, so bear with me. I recently aquired a ZX-9, which has been stored for many years. I replaced all the belts, and while tedious, I had no problems. I'd now like to replace the idler tire, and the only referances to this I can find, say that the transport basically has to be separated in half, and that it's a booger of a job. I would appreciate any pointers you can give me. Is it necessary to remove the face first, or at all? Or is disassembly from the back of the transport the way I should be planning? Any help would be great. 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Wed Aug 13 14:13:17 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Gimme my money back & have a nice day In-Reply-To: <081320080507.6302.48A26C0B000A08F20000189E22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <723857.51298.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ed: You need to send a email to the seller and tell him that the item is not as described ( no matter whether this is AS IS or not ). Then files a claim to PayPal saying that the item " IS NOT AS DESCRIBED ". You also need to save all the emails and information related to the sale and communications to prove to PayPal about this fraud. It is because this is the only way to force PayPal to refund you for the item. If the seller not responding at all to request(s) from PayPal then PayPal has no choice but to declare your compliant is valid and has to repay you. This might be lengthly but this is the only choice. AT LEAST BUYER CAN GIVE A NEGATIVE FB TO SELLER NOW where this is not true the other way around ( i.e. SELLER cannot give a negative FB to a buyer who won't pay for the item that he/she won !!! ). The seller did not shipped to you in the method as he described and still charged you the $35 dollars and refunded you the difference so this is another fraud already. Based on your description as below, I recall I saw the same description of a MR-1 recently on ebay but the shipping carrier is different. Looks like to me that somebody did a copy and paste of the same description ( with modifications ) for another MR-1. Good Luck. Mike ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: Jeepers Ed!!! Is this your problem? NOT, IT'S definatley HIS! BTW, I lhave been returning quite a few auction items that were won fair-n-square, if'it arrives DOA, and I believe this qualifies. Why is it necessary to take such a hard stand? Because, if not you will be the proud owner of an unusable machine that may or may not be rebuildable or repaired for $$$$$$$. If you don't mind this journey then by all means please keep it. However, does it really matter if he states AS IS and not returnable? Did you have the oportunity to physically inspect it before purchasing or did you trust the listing and were you misled into beliving the description of "happily ever after". I would disagree with his statement, as long as this was not the way it was listed in the description. Too many sellers try to weasle their way out of defective merch or shipper damaged items by painting a beautiful & rosey description plus mouth watering photos, only to send out a rusty boat anchor. IMHO, I would simply repack the wounded deck exactly the way it was delivered, clearly informing him by email message and photos of the received condition and send back with tracking and delivery signature request. Don't forget politley demanding resolution by an online refund. This means No claims calls, no extra insurance forms, no pleading for mercy or begging for respect, no intimidating hassles with UPS, no everlasting insurance quagmire maze. Just a polite, please refund my account upon reciept and have a nice day. -------------- Original message from "Ed Teller" : -------------- > Just received a MR-1 today I won on ebay. The entire transport mechanism > was pushed in about 2". I popped the cover off and it's missing the screws > that hold in place. I got in lined back up, and it powers up, but sounds > like a jet engine spooling up, none of the transport functions work on it. > The seller stated he would ship via UPS, but it arrived via parcel post, > was fairly well packed in bubble wrap with air bags around that. No damage > to the outer carton. What's my best line of recourse? I paid with Paypal. > Here's the item description: > > > "Nakamichi MR-1 professional cassette deck in excellent cosmetic and > functional condition. This is a 3-heads/3-motors design with balanced I/O > interconnects. The heads of the deck had been aligned as well as > calibrated. The deck is in normal working condition and all the lights are > working when pressed. The deck has very minor amount of wear. There is no > manual, remote, or original box come with this sale, but extra set of 1/4" > to RCA cables are included. > > Shipping is $35 flat including insurance by UPS ground with tracking > number supplied within the U.S. NO OVERSEA SHIPPING. The unit will be well > packed and protected for shipping. > > Payment by PayPal or Money Order within 3 days after auction is ended. The > unit will be shipped within 48 hours after payment is received and cleared. > > This unit is used and is being sold AS IS with no return of any kind. > Please ask any question(s) before bidding. Thanks for looking and good > luck. > > Please note that I will only ship within the U.S.." > > > Thanks, > Ed Teller > > > >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Aug 13 15:07:58 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:07:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Super Deck transport In-Reply-To: <28215888.1218553008634.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <28215888.1218553008634.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48A2DCAE.2070503@verizon.net> Kermit, Many years ago I used a cassette transport made in the US by Raymond Engineering. This was an industrial, high quality (not necessarily, high performances) transport, advanced for its time. I am not even sure they exists today, but if so, they may have NOS. You may want to look into it, but here is why not: First, it was solenoid, not motor, controlled, making for noisy operation. Second, the control electronics was RTL based -- very backward even for its time ( I designed a new, TTL based controller). Third, it's was kinda large (maybe not an issue for tube component, that won't be exactly miniature, anyway. Fourth, it wasn't the most elegant design of the last century. IIRC, there was no auto stop provision (I included a makeup motor current sense to achieve the function). On the plus side, it was very reliable. Probably will last forever. in home use. Oh, by the way, it was bi-directional. It could rewind a C-120 cassette, lock to lock, in 90 seconds. I may (not sure, but *may* ) be able to find some literature on the beast, and maybe even a sample (probably, non working), but if so, it will be at the bottom of the heap and will take a real effort or find. Still, I'll do it if you're interested -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > > Kermit, > > I contacted Sankyo's office in the USA 2 years ago about parts, and > they did reply! My suggestion would be to find a contact within Snakyo > who ill be able to talk to the Japanese factories. The BX300 drive > would be a fair candidate for a super deck. The trick might be > figuring out what Sankyo called that mechanism. I dn't know if > you've ever seen the old KLH reel to reel deck. It was machined, not > cast, and was very simple (and clever) . If you boil down a cassette > transport to the fundamentals....use DD reels and capstan motors, > solenoid for head base, no cue/review, electronic motion sensing, etc > the transport becomes an easier machine to build. Tandberg did a great > job with the TCD330/340 reel motors. Substitute electronics for > mechanics. > > > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit Gray > Sent: Aug 12, 2008 1:12 AM > To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak info' from Haden Boardman > > Hi Tom, > > I've been following the belt discussion with great interest. as > many of you know i've been working on a cassette super-deck. I've > finished the electronic design,m and chosen a head. The thing that > has stalled the deck has been the transport. I just haven't found > a transport that is good enough. I've tried some belt drive units, > even with custom belts made of the highest quality materials, but > no joy. Worse, my direct drive transport concept seems to be > beyond the ability of anyone to build. No one I've sent RFQs to > has ever submitted a bid -- they've all told me my direct drive > transport design won't work or cannot be made. Frustrating beyond > belief! > > On Aug 3, 2008, at 10:07 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > >> I can't recall any Nak sales training that mentioned belts in >> over 20 years! Is it mentioned in brochures or white papers? >> >> I do recall a discussion about the Japanese use of natural >> non-vulcanized rubber belts (the ones that turn to goo, like the >> Ampex reel belts). One person said natural rubber had a better >> sound. Another sid they didn't want to pay patent royalties for >> vulcanization. I can't imagine either being true, but who knows! >> >> I can say that the staggered resonance tuning in the classic >> transport might be compromised if belts of various cosistencies >> were used. Perhaps Nak HAD to have QC'd belts, or the engineering >> would fail? Our measurements always blame the belts, but the >> problems may be interactions between belt and mechanism. Food for >> thought. >> > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Aug 13 15:47:28 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:47:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots Message-ID: <081320081347.8954.48A2E5F000005A5F000022FA22155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Ed: Hmmm.... It sounds like the seller was less than totally honest when he wrote the description for this deck. It sounds like this deck wasn't operational when it was shipped. This doesn't necessarily sound like shipping damage. When I think about the fact that NONE of the transport mounting screws were present in your MR-1, I can't help thinking that this deck was "worked on" by an extremely careless AND clueless person. This deck could have problems that were actually CAUSED by whoever was poking around in there. The "jet engine" you described sounds like something having to do with the capstans or capstan flywheels is scraping or rubbing against something. Since the lame-brain who "worked on" this deck forgot to reinstall the transport screws, take a look around and make sure that there are no additional missing screws inside the deck. CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO LOOSE SCREWS WEDGED INTO AREAS OF THE TRANSPORT THAT HAVE MOVING PARTS. As for no transport functions working, it could be a stalled control motor. Try to put the deck into Play mode while you nudge the large white gear next to the control motor. Just keep pressing the Play button while you nudge this gear with the eraser end of a pencil, and see if the control motor "wakes up" and puts the deck into Play. Now would be a good time to check if ALL of the little plastic connectors are firmly attached to the circuit board. Whenever I know a deck has been monkeyed around with, I am ready to suspect ANYTHING. INTERESTING STORY illustrating a situation that might apply to you: I acquired a BX-150 off of eBay. According to the item description, the deck worked fine before going into storage, and after being taken out of storage, it tried to eat a tape (takeup spool wasn't winding--as we all know, the idler tire was bad). That is ALL the seller mentioned in the item description. What the seller FORGOT to mention was that a lame-brain had obviously gone inside this deck and attempted to "repair" it. When I received the deck and first switched it on, the control motor kept rapidly cycling through all of the functions. The control motor would NOT stop spinning. It was at this time that I noticed that both of the reel hubs were MOVING AROUND. The hubs were clearly NOT anchored. What?!?! When I took the top off of the deck, the full story was revealed. The lame-brain had obviously concluded that the deck's problem had something to do with the reel motor assembly and tried to remove the assembly from the rear of the transport. Both of the screws that anchor the reel motor assembly were missing. The entire reel motor assembly was loosely drooping down and sitting on top of the control motor's leaf switches. This caused the leaf switches to remain closed even when they were supposed to be open, thus sending power to the control motor at inappropriate times. Where were the reel motor mounting screws? I'll tell you where I found them. They were screwed into the two spare mounting holes on the top of the tape transport assembly! Once I put them back where they were supposed to go and freshened up the idler tire and capstan belt, the deck worked perfectly. What probably happened is this: The lame-brain tried to "repair" the deck by taking a look at the reel motor. Since the lame-brain was unfamiliar with the Sankyo transport, he never knew to look at the idler, which is accessible from the FRONT. When the control motor started freaking out, the lame-brain concluded (correctly) that he stood a good chance of making the deck WORSE, not better, and slapped the whole thing back together quickly -- TOO quickly to remember to put two VERY important screws back where he had found them! *andy* From greynlds at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 16:00:29 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:00:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots In-Reply-To: <945095.35194.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <945095.35194.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Don't leave feedback for the seller until you're either happy with the result or it's clear that you aren't going to get anywhere with the seller. If the seller gives you a full refund (that includes shipping both ways) without any hassle, positive feedback would seem appropriate. Don't threaten them with negative feedback either - if they have a clue, they'll realize that it's likely to happen if they don't treat you right. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots Ed, This is the $89.99 BIN deck, ebay number270260333751. First, write to the seller of the item. If he does not budge, file an item not as described complaint and then escalate this to a claim. Paypal will refund you upto $89.99 plus the shipping you paid the seller in a month's time, after they instruct you to return the deck to the seller at your cost. Yes all you are going to be out is the return shipping. This seller apparently knew what he was selling when he listed it. Good luck. Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From fergus.cullen at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 17:33:58 2008 From: fergus.cullen at gmail.com (Fergus Cullen) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:33:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots In-Reply-To: References: <29952.397.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2dc74f680808130833l5beccd4do1b40405d3048adb7@mail.gmail.com> Depending on how much you paid, Paypal should cover it. They usually do. You first have to go to the 'resolution center' and 'open a case'. Then they request a refund from the seller. If he/she doesnt make an attempt to resolve the situation, Paypal refund you. On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Ed Teller wrote: > Just received a MR-1 today I won on ebay. The entire transport mechanism was > pushed in about 2". I popped the cover off and it's missing the screws that > hold in place. I got in lined back up, and it powers up, but sounds like a > jet engine spooling up, none of the transport functions work on it. The > seller stated he would ship via UPS, but it arrived via parcel post, was > fairly well packed in bubble wrap with air bags around that. No damage to > the outer carton. What's my best line of recourse? I paid with Paypal. > Here's the item description: > > > "Nakamichi MR-1 professional cassette deck in excellent cosmetic and > functional condition. This is a 3-heads/3-motors design with balanced I/O > interconnects. The heads of the deck had been aligned as well as calibrated. > The deck is in normal working condition and all the lights are working when > pressed. The deck has very minor amount of wear. There is no manual, remote, > or original box come with this sale, but extra set of 1/4" to RCA cables are > included. > > Shipping is $35 flat including insurance by UPS ground with tracking number > supplied within the U.S. NO OVERSEA SHIPPING. The unit will be well packed > and protected for shipping. > > Payment by PayPal or Money Order within 3 days after auction is ended. The > unit will be shipped within 48 hours after payment is received and cleared. > > This unit is used and is being sold AS IS with no return of any kind. Please > ask any question(s) before bidding. Thanks for looking and good luck. > > Please note that I will only ship within the U.S.." > > > Thanks, > Ed Teller > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:54:22 -0400, fripp_em wrote: > >> Kevin, >> >> Yes, My DHL experience is limited (we get shipped to and from all over the >> country) and someone I know in MN who has had good experience. I've actually >> had boxes beat up most by Fedex and USPS, but USPS is often the best - go >> figure. No matter what it must be over packed! >> You are correct about contact with the other end and discussing packing >> before hand. That hasn't alway worked (twice I've very nice assurances that >> were not followed) but it helps. In at least one of the cases I think the >> person was well meaning, just didn't get it. Lately, if I get any little >> feeling about the other end not being OK, I just don't bid/buy. >> >> Document your experience for any item you care or worry about! >> Completely! Be clear on your end. Then when you file a complaint or claim >> you should have more of a chance. >> >> I've had at least one person email me that they didn't know about IC3 and >> now will file a complaint there next time they get ripped off. It won't >> lead to success all the time, but it is one more thing you should do when >> the other has skipped with you money. >> >> David >> >> --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: >> >>> From: Kevin Fetner >>> Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 6:11 PM >>> Again David, this is a regional/geographical issue. Rural >>> town cops are about as likely to get involved in Internet >>> fraud cases as they are to answer stray dog calls. You >>> mention DHL....as far as I know they have one truck here >>> daily that comes from over 50 miles away. What few things I >>> have had shipped here through DHL, had the virtual crap beat >>> out of them. >>> >>> I would LOVE to purchase locally, but it ain't >>> happening. Sometimes I can score stuff on craigslist >>> that's usually closer than ebay auctions, but the only >>> thing saved is some shipping costs and the >>> 'likelihood' that traveling fewer freight miles will >>> present a less damaged package. I like your idea though >>> about printing a shipping label and sending it to the >>> shipper. But again, you're still relying on how he/she >>> packs said product. What makes real sense is to discuss >>> shipping procedures even BEFORE the item sells at auction. >>> And if they get defensive and say they "know what they >>> are doing", but are too "insulted" to share >>> how they pack, move on...seriously. >>> >>> Nothing is worse IMHO than to find a great item, in great >>> shape, only to be defeated in some stupid shipping debacle. >>> And in all honesty, MOST sellers have NO idea how to ship >>> heavy, electronic units even though they claim they do. >>> >>> Kevin >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 17:41:58 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:41:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots In-Reply-To: References: <945095.35194.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10808130841q570362ecsf615de36179c3595@mail.gmail.com> You obviously forgot the new ebay policy of "no negative feedback for sellers". On 8/13/08, Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > > Don't leave feedback for the seller until you're either happy with the > result or it's clear that you aren't going to get anywhere with the seller. > If the seller gives you a full refund (that includes shipping both ways) > without any hassle, positive feedback would seem appropriate. Don't > threaten them with negative feedback either - if they have a clue, they'll > realize that it's likely to happen if they don't treat you right. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* shanti ramachandran > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:09 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots > > > Ed, > > This is the $89.99 BIN deck, ebay number270260333751. > > > First, write to the seller of the item. If he does not budge, file an item > not as described complaint and then escalate this to a claim. > > Paypal will refund you upto $89.99 plus the shipping you paid the seller > in a month's time, after they instruct you to return the deck to the seller > at your cost. Yes all you are going to be out is the return shipping. > > This seller apparently knew what he was selling when he listed it. > > Good luck. > > Ram > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 8/13/08, george valkov wrote: > > You obviously forgot the new ebay policy of "no negative feedback for > sellers". > > On 8/13/08, Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: >> >> Don't leave feedback for the seller until you're either happy with the >> result or it's clear that you aren't going to get anywhere with the seller. >> If the seller gives you a full refund (that includes shipping both ways) >> without any hassle, positive feedback would seem appropriate. Don't >> threaten them with negative feedback either - if they have a clue, they'll >> realize that it's likely to happen if they don't treat you right. >> -- >> Geoffrey Reynolds >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* shanti ramachandran >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:09 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots >> >> >> Ed, >> >> This is the $89.99 BIN deck, ebay number270260333751. >> >> >> First, write to the seller of the item. If he does not budge, file an item >> not as described complaint and then escalate this to a claim. >> >> Paypal will refund you upto $89.99 plus the shipping you paid the seller >> in a month's time, after they instruct you to return the deck to the seller >> at your cost. Yes all you are going to be out is the return shipping. >> >> This seller apparently knew what he was selling when he listed it. >> >> Good luck. >> >> Ram >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > -- > "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals > built the Titanic." -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edteller at cox.net Wed Aug 13 17:47:14 2008 From: edteller at cox.net (E. Teller) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:47:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots In-Reply-To: References: <945095.35194.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all the advice, case pending with Paypal. Worst case is I have to eat it. If so I'll try and fix it. How may belts does a MR1 have? There is a wide one on the left that is intact, but the noise seems to be coming from the right side of the transport. Sounds like a motor spooling up with no belt on it. Ed On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:00:29 -0400, Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > Don't leave feedback for the seller until you're either happy with the > result or it's clear that you aren't going to get anywhere with the > seller. If the seller gives you a full refund (that includes shipping > both ways) without any hassle, positive feedback would seem > appropriate. Don't threaten them with negative feedback either - if > they have a clue, they'll realize that it's likely to happen if they > don't treat you right. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > ----- Original Message ----- > From: shanti ramachandran > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots > > > Ed, > > This is the $89.99 BIN deck, ebay number270260333751. > > First, write to the seller of the item. If he does not budge, > file an item not as described complaint and then escalate this to a > claim. > > Paypal will refund you upto $89.99 plus the shipping you paid > the seller in a month's time, after they instruct you to return the deck > to the seller at your cost. Yes all you are going to be out is the > return shipping. > > This seller apparently knew what he was selling when he listed > it. > > Good luck. > > Ram -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Aug 13 17:50:52 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Super Deck transport In-Reply-To: <48A2DCAE.2070503@verizon.net> Message-ID: <117515.76911.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One of the ideal candidate for any high quality Deck can come from Nak 480 since you can easily pick up even 100 from ebay and donors from Naktalk community. Secondly it has really sturdy transport and has nice reliable long lasting parts. It has reasonably low wow and flutter/ non resonant dual capstan drive.   If you really care about getting Direct Drive and in quantities of about 20, I see large number Dragons come with service requirement in ebay. you can easily implement manual azimuth adjustment to the play head. this way you need not depend on somebody else to manufacture. I am assuming that you are not planning to sell commercially as your own brand. I am not familiar with patent or copy right issues to add to this suggestion. I consider Dragon transport is one of really very good one with Double Direct Drive Kannan --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Super Deck transport To: "Tom Brucker" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 9:07 AM Kermit, Many years ago I used a cassette transport made in the US by Raymond Engineering. This was an industrial, high quality (not necessarily, high performances) transport, advanced for its time. I am not even sure they exists today, but if so, they may have NOS. You may want to look into it, but here is why not: First, it was solenoid, not motor, controlled, making for noisy operation. Second, the control electronics was RTL based -- very backward even for its time ( I designed a new, TTL based controller). Third, it's was kinda large (maybe not an issue for tube component, that won't be exactly miniature, anyway. Fourth, it wasn't the most elegant design of the last century. IIRC, there was no auto stop provision (I included a makeup motor current sense to achieve the function). On the plus side, it was very reliable. Probably will last forever. in home use. Oh, by the way, it was bi-directional. It could rewind a C-120 cassette, lock to lock, in 90 seconds. I may (not sure, but *may* ) be able to find some literature on the beast, and maybe even a sample (probably, non working), but if so, it will be at the bottom of the heap and will take a real effort or find. Still, I'll do it if you're interested -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: #yiv1722096514 {font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;} Kermit,    I contacted Sankyo's office in the USA 2 years ago about parts, and they did reply! My suggestion would be to find a contact within Snakyo who ill be able to talk to the Japanese factories.  The BX300 drive would be a fair candidate for a super deck. The trick might be figuring out what Sankyo called that mechanism.   I dn't know if you've ever seen the old KLH reel to reel deck. It was machined, not cast, and was very simple (and clever) . If you boil down a cassette transport to the fundamentals....use DD reels and capstan motors, solenoid for head base, no cue/review, electronic motion sensing, etc the transport becomes an easier machine to build. Tandberg did a great job with the TCD330/340 reel motors.    Substitute electronics for mechanics.   tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Kermit Gray Sent: Aug 12, 2008 1:12 AM To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak info' from Haden Boardman Hi Tom, I've been following the belt discussion with great interest. as many of you know i've been working on a cassette super-deck. I've finished the electronic design,m and chosen a head. The thing that has stalled the deck has been the transport. I just haven't found a transport that is good enough. I've tried some belt drive units, even with custom belts made of the highest quality materials, but no joy. Worse, my direct drive transport concept seems to be beyond the ability of anyone to build. No one I've sent RFQs to has ever submitted a bid -- they've all told me my direct drive transport design won't work or cannot be made. Frustrating beyond belief! On Aug 3, 2008, at 10:07 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: I can't recall any Nak sales training that mentioned belts in over 20 years! Is it mentioned in brochures or white papers?  I do recall a discussion about the Japanese use of natural non-vulcanized rubber belts (the ones that turn to goo, like the Ampex reel belts). One person said natural rubber had a better sound. Another sid they didn't want to pay patent royalties for vulcanization.   I can't imagine either being true, but who knows!   I can say that the staggered resonance tuning in the classic transport might be compromised if belts of various cosistencies were used. Perhaps Nak HAD to have QC'd belts, or the engineering would fail? Our measurements always blame the belts, but the problems may be interactions between belt and mechanism. Food for thought. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Aug 13 21:17:24 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:17:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots In-Reply-To: References: <945095.35194.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48A33344.4000904@verizon.net> E. Teller wrote: > Thanks for all the advice, case pending with Paypal. Worst case is I > have to eat it. If so I'll try and fix it. How may belts does a MR1 have? It's a Sankyo DD transport, so it has two belts: one to move the supply capstan, the other for back tension. > There is a wide one on the left that is intact, but the noise seems to > be coming from the right side of the transport. Sounds like a motor > spooling up with no belt on it. I doubt it's a belt. If the capstan motor board is damaged, that could be it. Or, the reel motor is also on the right side. Remove the cover and the you should be able to locate the noise source quite readily. -- Ron > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:00:29 -0400, Geoffrey Reynolds > wrote: > >> Don't leave feedback for the seller until you're either happy with >> the result or it's clear that you aren't going to get anywhere with >> the seller. If the seller gives you a full refund (that includes >> shipping both ways) without any hassle, positive feedback would seem >> appropriate. Don't threaten them with negative feedback either - if >> they have a clue, they'll realize that it's likely to happen if they >> don't treat you right. >> -- >> Geoffrey Reynolds >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: shanti ramachandran >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots >> >> >> Ed, >> >> This is the $89.99 BIN deck, ebay number270260333751. >> >> First, write to the seller of the item. If he does not budge, >> file an item not as described complaint and then escalate this to a >> claim. >> >> Paypal will refund you upto $89.99 plus the shipping you >> paid the seller in a month's time, after they instruct you to return >> the deck to the seller at your cost. Yes all you are going to be out >> is the return shipping. >> >> This seller apparently knew what he was selling when he >> listed it. >> >> Good luck. >> >> Ram > > > From jmamarnani at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Aug 13 22:24:31 2008 From: jmamarnani at blueyonder.co.uk (jmamarnani at blueyonder.co.uk) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:24:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Recording Problem Message-ID: <34220.82.44.75.60.1218659071.VFAUQmtJTEx3RB0Q.squirrel@82.44.75.60> Roland, Ron and Tom Thank you for your help. I'll pass the information to my dad, it's his deck. Another item on the To Do list for when he gets back :) Cheers K'i From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Thu Aug 14 03:23:40 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:23:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Are eBay's Days Numbered ? I hope so Message-ID: <48A3891C.5030507@marrscommunications.com> http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/HowAmazonIsBeatingUpEBay.aspx From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 14:46:25 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:46:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Idler tire replacement procedure? Message-ID: <081420081246.6699.48A42921000E0FD100001A2B22165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Ben wrote an excellent description of the steps one must take to replace the idler tire on a standard Nakamichi transport. As you all can see, it is not a job for inexperienced hands. I like the tip about putting a clear plastic bag over the idler wheel when removing the tiny "circlip" (we call it an "E" clip here in the states). Believe me, Ben speaks the truth. That whole thing is under spring tension and can QUITE easily explode, scattering those tiny parts for good. Don't ask me how I know. LOL The only additional comments I must make concern that spring that presses against the circlip and the idler wheel: 1) When reassembling the idler wheel, spring, washers, and clip back onto the idler arm, make sure that all of the idler wheel's retaining parts are reassembled in EXACTLY the same order that they were removed. Also make sure that the little "tail" on the end of the idler wheel spring is positioned between the two tiny lock posts on the face of the idler wheel. This ensures that the spring will rotate along with the wheel. 2) It can be very difficult to maneuver the littlest washer and the circlip into position whilst pressing against the spring tension. In a worst-case scenario, you can lose control of the spring and have the entire assembly explode. To avoid this scenario, and to make reassembly of the idler wheel MUCH easier, DO THIS: Before putting the idler wheel back onto its shaft, put the spring and the LARGE washer into position on the face of the idler wheel. (This will be the ideal opportunity to make sure the little "tail" on the end of the spring is properly positioned between the lock posts on the face of the idler wheel.) Then squash the spring and large washer all the way down and keep them down with a couple of very small strips of masking tape across the face of the idler wheel. Run each strip of tape across the face of the large washer and attach it to the face of the idler wheel, but make sure you do NOT obscure the center hole of the large washer. As you can see, you are using the large washer to press and lock the spring down. Do not use cello tape, as it is not quite as sticky and may not hold the spring down. Now the idler wheel and spring are compressed small enough that you can easily slip the whole thing onto the idler wheel shaft and still have plenty of room for the final two parts: the tiny washer and circlip. And the best part of it is that you can take your time and concentrate fully on getting those two tiny parts properly reinstalled and locked into position without having to pay attention to keeping that $#@% spring out of the way! *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 15:06:25 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:06:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] UPS Idiots Message-ID: <081420081306.29781.48A42DD10003C05B0000745522165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Ed: The MR-1 has two belts and an idler tire. The wide one is the capstan belt. It should be positioned around two large flywheels on the rear of the tape transport. The other belt is the tape back-tension belt. It is located on the front of the transport. You must remove the black metal plate inside the cassette area in order to see it. Remove the two tiny screws in the upper corners, and the metal plate can be removed. When you remove the plate, you should see a very small, thin square belt looped around the supply-side tape hub (the hub on the right) and then around a small toothed gear that looks like a miniature circular saw blade. The idler tire is also visible in this location, hanging down between the two black tape hubs. If the noise is coming from the right side of the transport, check the control motor and make sure everything is in its proper position over there. The control motor is located on the rear of the transport on the right side near the top. It's the motor that is laying sideways. This motor has a small white worm gear on its shaft. (NOTE: THIS WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE VISIBLE.) The worm gear drives a large white round gear. VERY IMPORTANT NOTE: This control motor should NOT be operating until you press a tape transport button (Play, RW, FF, etc.). If this motor is spinning constantly, then there is a problem with the control mechanism, most probably dirt on the little copper leaf switches next to the control motor. *andy* From benstratford at aol.co.uk Thu Aug 14 21:13:26 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:13:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] orange cap replacement question Message-ID: <8CACC58F6CDF429-E74-F51@mblk-d13.sysops.aol.com> Mark, There are 24 or so orange caps in your deck and all are readily available still.? Any cap can fail but these polypropylene caps are failing on many +25yr old Nak decks now.? I would recommend changing them all whether you get a warm fuzzy feeling doing it or not.? It requires some knowledge and dexterity to do it but it's not beyond the amateur practitioner. Rgds, Ben ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rblackm2 at bigpond.net.au Thu Aug 14 13:59:33 2008 From: rblackm2 at bigpond.net.au (Ross Blackman) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:59:33 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane In-Reply-To: <200808141005.m7EA1iFl024315@zxe.naks.com> References: <200808141005.m7EA1iFl024315@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8912C565D50B4635B16BAFD93B260339@RossPC> I'm sorry to report that a technician in Brisbane, Australia by the name of John Gipps has effectively stolen my ZX-7, and others should avoid dealing with him. In about February this year I bought a ZX-7 from ebay, which was in good condition but had a few issues. I posted some comments on Naktalk and received a helpful email from John Gipps, who claimed to be a former authorised Nakamichi technician with many continuing clients. He told me he worked at another full time job and serviced Nakamichi decks on weekends. He gave me his address and I sent my ZX-7 to him, first for an assessment so I could make a claim from the ebay seller, and then for a full service. He seemed to know what he was talking about, and I was in no particular hurry to get the deck back, realising that a part-time technician was not going to be particularly fast. We exchanged emails over a period of a couple of months, and he was always apologising for being slow (and he could take weeks to reply to an email). He was so slow in providing his initial assessment that I could not go back to the ebay seller to make a claim. Whenever the deck looked close to being finished, a new problem would suddenly appear, and he would need to keep it for a few more weeks for "soak testing". A couple of months ago (and some weeks after the last "soak test") I sent an email asking for an update. No response. A few weeks later I sent another email. Again, no response. Then I sent an email asking for my deck to be returned in whatever condition it was currently in. Still no response. Last week, I sent an email warning that unless I had a satisfactory response from him, I would post these comments on Naktalk, and would alert the local police. As there has been no response, I am now taking this step. I have little hope of ever seeing my ZX-7 again, and I am posting these comments as a warning to others in Australia to avoid dealing with John Gipps, who is not to be trusted. Ross From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Thu Aug 14 23:25:41 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:25:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Age of Naks Message-ID: Hi, ESL just shipped me my Dragon back and it sounds awesome! Alas, it reveals the shortcoming of my system and the room. I am tempted to use it as sort of a "plugin" when I master my upcoming CD shortly. How do one convince the wife so I can put up sound absorbing and diffusing material in the living room? Especially since she let me have my own recording studio but I want the living room to sound right. Is there a way to tell the year of the unit? By serial number? Best regards, Gene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Aug 15 00:11:33 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:11:33 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane Message-ID: <24454987.1218751893780.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ross, My 6th sense tells me you will see your ZX7 back and it will be in good shape. I too am a technician, and often times have been perceived as a "black hole", and most definitely a slow technician. Typically we slow guys have real jobs and do Nak repairs for love. Anyway, I've never met John Gipps, but I can tell that he is indeed a real technician with Nakamichi experience. I am sorry for your frustrating experience. I'll do all I can to help you, and if John is stuck on a difficult problem, there are many of us here on NakTalk who are happy to help. NakTalkers.... there has to be a creative solution to what I will call the "Sank Syndrome" not to be mean but because Steve is the poster child for this frustrating situation. What communications or other systems might relieve the stress and result in better repair experiences? Could we create a voluntary "code of ethics"? Could we categorize technicians by location, experience, repair times on a general listing? I have many people telephone about Nak related issues. I consider it my duty to trade whatever business links I make for services to the Nak community. Wouter serves us all at some expense, and asks only for ...love? His example ought to guide the rest of us in how we treat each other. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Ross Blackman >Sent: Aug 14, 2008 6:59 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane > >I'm sorry to report that a technician in Brisbane, Australia by the name of >John Gipps has effectively stolen my ZX-7, and others should avoid dealing >with him. > >In about February this year I bought a ZX-7 from ebay, which was in good >condition but had a few issues. I posted some comments on Naktalk and >received a helpful email from John Gipps, who claimed to be a former >authorised Nakamichi technician with many continuing clients. He told me he >worked at another full time job and serviced Nakamichi decks on weekends. He >gave me his address and I sent my ZX-7 to him, first for an assessment so I >could make a claim from the ebay seller, and then for a full service. He >seemed to know what he was talking about, and I was in no particular hurry >to get the deck back, realising that a part-time technician was not going to >be particularly fast. > >We exchanged emails over a period of a couple of months, and he was always >apologising for being slow (and he could take weeks to reply to an email). >He was so slow in providing his initial assessment that I could not go back >to the ebay seller to make a claim. Whenever the deck looked close to being >finished, a new problem would suddenly appear, and he would need to keep it >for a few more weeks for "soak testing". A couple of months ago (and some >weeks after the last "soak test") I sent an email asking for an update. No >response. A few weeks later I sent another email. Again, no response. Then I >sent an email asking for my deck to be returned in whatever condition it was >currently in. Still no response. Last week, I sent an email warning that >unless I had a satisfactory response from him, I would post these comments >on Naktalk, and would alert the local police. As there has been no response, >I am now taking this step. > >I have little hope of ever seeing my ZX-7 again, and I am posting these >comments as a warning to others in Australia to avoid dealing with John >Gipps, who is not to be trusted. > >Ross > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 00:39:47 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane In-Reply-To: <8912C565D50B4635B16BAFD93B260339@RossPC> Message-ID: <932723.20507.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ross, I commend you for stating it so plainly and also Wouter to let it be seen by all of us here in Naktalk. I guess I have not been the only one taken by such individuals and its comforting to know, but we all need to be very careful. I at least was able to get my decks back, albeit at a horrendous shipping expense from a foreign land. Thanks again. Ram. --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Ross Blackman wrote: From: Ross Blackman Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 7:59 AM I'm sorry to report that a technician in Brisbane, Australia by the name of John Gipps has effectively stolen my ZX-7, and others should avoid dealing with him. In about February this year I bought a ZX-7 from ebay, which was in good condition but had a few issues. I posted some comments on Naktalk and received a helpful email from John Gipps, who claimed to be a former authorised Nakamichi technician with many continuing clients. He told me he worked at another full time job and serviced Nakamichi decks on weekends. He gave me his address and I sent my ZX-7 to him, first for an assessment so I could make a claim from the ebay seller, and then for a full service. He seemed to know what he was talking about, and I was in no particular hurry to get the deck back, realising that a part-time technician was not going to be particularly fast. We exchanged emails over a period of a couple of months, and he was always apologising for being slow (and he could take weeks to reply to an email). He was so slow in providing his initial assessment that I could not go back to the ebay seller to make a claim. Whenever the deck looked close to being finished, a new problem would suddenly appear, and he would need to keep it for a few more weeks for "soak testing". A couple of months ago (and some weeks after the last "soak test") I sent an email asking for an update. No response. A few weeks later I sent another email. Again, no response. Then I sent an email asking for my deck to be returned in whatever condition it was currently in. Still no response. Last week, I sent an email warning that unless I had a satisfactory response from him, I would post these comments on Naktalk, and would alert the local police. As there has been no response, I am now taking this step. I have little hope of ever seeing my ZX-7 again, and I am posting these comments as a warning to others in Australia to avoid dealing with John Gipps, who is not to be trusted. Ross ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 02:30:43 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane In-Reply-To: <8912C565D50B4635B16BAFD93B260339@RossPC> Message-ID: <814299.55257.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Do we have any other members in the Brisbane area (or travel to that area) who know John and can help Ross get his deck? David From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Aug 15 03:24:43 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:24:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Decks Are Expen$ive! Message-ID: <081520080124.11614.48A4DADB00064E3000002D5E22165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> ...But of course, YOU KNEW THAT already! I remember looking at Nakamichi decks in my local audio store, knowing I could never afford one. They easily cost much more than any other deck available to me at that time. Well, let's look at those original Nakamichi list prices -- adjusted for inflation! Here's a website that gives you a pretty good idea what things from the past would cost nowadays. There's only one hitch: You can only go as recent as 2007 for your prices. But it's still an eye-opener! Type in the original list price of your Nakamichi, along with the last year it was available, and GET READY TO SPEND, SPEND, SPEND! LOL! http://www.westegg.com/inflation/ *andy* From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 15 06:30:26 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:30:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane In-Reply-To: <8912C565D50B4635B16BAFD93B260339@RossPC> References: <200808141005.m7EA1iFl024315@zxe.naks.com> <8912C565D50B4635B16BAFD93B260339@RossPC> Message-ID: <081520080430.6178.48A50661000AC4110000182222218675169B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Ross, sorry to hear of the "lost deck". Is there anyone in the Brisbane vecinity who could make a visit and update on this issue? I have been burnt as well. Seems like this scenario is a right of passage in modern society. Why would a memeber in this forum offer to help and then dissapear into thin air?? -------------- Original message from "Ross Blackman" : -------------- > I'm sorry to report that a technician in Brisbane, Australia by the name of > John Gipps has effectively stolen my ZX-7, and others should avoid dealing > with him. > > In about February this year I bought a ZX-7 from ebay, which was in good > condition but had a few issues. I posted some comments on Naktalk and > received a helpful email from John Gipps, who claimed to be a former > authorised Nakamichi technician with many continuing clients. He told me he > worked at another full time job and serviced Nakamichi decks on weekends. He > gave me his address and I sent my ZX-7 to him, first for an assessment so I > could make a claim from the ebay seller, and then for a full service. He > seemed to know what he was talking about, and I was in no particular hurry > to get the deck back, realising that a part-time technician was not going to > be particularly fast. > > We exchanged emails over a period of a couple of months, and he was always > apologising for being slow (and he could take weeks to reply to an email). > He was so slow in providing his initial assessment that I could not go back > to the ebay seller to make a claim. Whenever the deck looked close to being > finished, a new problem would suddenly appear, and he would need to keep it > for a few more weeks for "soak testing". A couple of months ago (and some > weeks after the last "soak test") I sent an email asking for an update. No > response. A few weeks later I sent another email. Again, no response. Then I > sent an email asking for my deck to be returned in whatever condition it was > currently in. Still no response. Last week, I sent an email warning that > unless I had a satisfactory response from him, I would post these comments > on Naktalk, and would alert the local police. 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URL: From jamiebourland at blueridgeschool.com Fri Aug 15 06:53:36 2008 From: jamiebourland at blueridgeschool.com (Jamie Bourland) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:53:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Motor for Cassette Deck 2 Message-ID: <05D188DACAF5D34C86A0558249AF5A24015297F2@greenserver.blueridgeschool.com> The capstan drive motor on my Cassette Deck 2 is dead. I have read up on this problem and it seems these SHE2L motors were pretty low quality. Where can I get another motor? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Fri Aug 15 07:29:09 2008 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:29:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] A Danish Dragon Message-ID: <0316AD9DDC984999931972759B458D78@hurtignok> Hi Tom, SORRY for the late respons. I found out that shipping to the US would amount to 175-200 dollars...! Shortly after that the Dragon was sold/ withdrawn from www.dba.dk. Very Best Regards, Per Tom wrote - Apr 9, 2008: > Per, $270 to 300 US is about right for a Dragon parts > machine! Any idea what shipping to the US is today? From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Fri Aug 15 07:39:39 2008 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:39:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane Message-ID: Hi Ross, Have you tried to contact him in other ways than email? Mails can suddenly be filtered out by spam filters both at the ISP and at the receiver. Per Ross wrote: > I sent an email asking for an update. No > response. A few > weeks later I sent another email. Again, no response. Then I > sent an email asking for my deck to be returned in whatever > condition it was currently in. Still no response. From kulak at ozemail.com.au Fri Aug 15 12:33:30 2008 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:33:30 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane References: Message-ID: Naktalkers Lets not let this get out of hand and damage the reputation of a valuable commodity - a factory trained Nakamichi technician, because he has not replied rapidly to communications, perhaps ven ben tardy.. Speaking from experience of having established contact with John Gipps about a year ago, and having him undertake a full rebuild of my ZX9, which was away for 5 months, and came back recording and playing to perfection, and also currently having a RX505 with him for repair (for 11months so far) I have found him to be a slow, but methodical technician, who undertakes the mechanical / electronic issues to perfection, but slips badly when it comes to communication, perhaps driven by the fact he travels extensively for his full time position, and has a young family. He does repairs out of interest, not as a business.. I've kept in regular contact (about every 8 weeks) and get an update as to how the RX505 is going, he also advises during these communications that he has left the unit for a while to undertake a repair on somebody else's unit, as I let him know that red hot urgency of return was not a major issue. Having never met John, but having spoken to him by phone on a number of occaisions, I belive he is a reputable person, otherwise I would have pursued return of my RX505 many months ago, as I'm 2000 km away. . As an update to the reported problem, I believe John has contacted Ross today and they wil sort out the return of the repaired unit. As a Naktalk member, I would be horrified if this issue blows out of all proportion to the situation at hand. Hopefully the next week will see Ross report he has his unit back, and is ecstatic with its musical performance, and cancel his warning.. Thanks for all the interesting and educational topics you guys seem to cover, with the only dark spot being the odd occaision where a member seemingly gets torn apart by the mob. It's heartening to see that all todays communications relating to this issue were targeted at trying to bring forth a solution. Regards all, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per" To: "NakTalk" Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 3:39 PM Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane > Hi Ross, > > Have you tried to contact him in other ways than email? Mails can suddenly > be filtered out by spam filters both at the ISP and > at the receiver. > > Per > > Ross wrote: > >> I sent an email asking for an update. No > response. A few weeks later I >> sent another email. Again, no response. Then I sent an email asking for >> my deck to be returned in whatever condition it was currently in. Still >> no response. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From davidt124 at internode.on.net Fri Aug 15 12:36:39 2008 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:36:39 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] John Gipps contact Message-ID: Ross I have sent you a contact for John off Naktalk. Contact me directly if you don't get it. David From theshorty at bigpond.com Fri Aug 15 13:23:47 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:23:47 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane References: <200808141005.m7EA1iFl024315@zxe.naks.com> <8912C565D50B4635B16BAFD93B260339@RossPC> Message-ID: <00b201c8fec9$62e9cbf0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Ross, At the risk of being obvious.. have you tried the Telephone???? Like Tom, I believe you will get your ZX-7 back, and in good working order.. but based on past experiences, part time tech's are notoriously slow... and I mean very slow. I had my 680ZX in Axent in NZ.. supposedly reputable people.. they had it for 12 months and only managed to free up the transport and put new belts in it.. and hadn't addressed the electronics issues at all. I had to go in and physically retrieve the deck as I was moving to Oz.( this deck is now with John G , so we will see what my experience is like, but so far so good). Even when I used Searle's up in Whangarei NZ.. Ivan's turn around time varied significantly.. as he used these jobs as fill in's for his crew during quiet times, and I was quite OK with that, and received a favourable rate on the repair bill. I think the code of ethics idea is very good.. because it is unfair to solicit work, set an expectation, and then not deliver on it. But I also know that people have forwarded decks to repairers with unrealistic expecations on turn round times from part timers such as John and then been quite vocal about it. In your case 6 months so far isn't too bad!! I think many have come to the realisation that if you want speedy and reliable repair, you have to go to ESL or B&W or similar, at significant shipping cost.. one reason I have taught myself to at least be capable of the mechanical servicing. Good luck with getting your deck back. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Blackman" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane > I'm sorry to report that a technician in Brisbane, Australia by the name > of John Gipps has effectively stolen my ZX-7, and others should avoid > dealing with him. > > In about February this year I bought a ZX-7 from ebay, which was in good > condition but had a few issues. I posted some comments on Naktalk and > received a helpful email from John Gipps, who claimed to be a former > authorised Nakamichi technician with many continuing clients. He told me > he worked at another full time job and serviced Nakamichi decks on > weekends. He gave me his address and I sent my ZX-7 to him, first for an > assessment so I could make a claim from the ebay seller, and then for a > full service. He seemed to know what he was talking about, and I was in no > particular hurry to get the deck back, realising that a part-time > technician was not going to be particularly fast. > > We exchanged emails over a period of a couple of months, and he was always > apologising for being slow (and he could take weeks to reply to an email). > He was so slow in providing his initial assessment that I could not go > back to the ebay seller to make a claim. Whenever the deck looked close to > being finished, a new problem would suddenly appear, and he would need to > keep it for a few more weeks for "soak testing". A couple of months ago > (and some weeks after the last "soak test") I sent an email asking for an > update. No response. A few weeks later I sent another email. Again, no > response. Then I sent an email asking for my deck to be returned in > whatever condition it was currently in. Still no response. Last week, I > sent an email warning that unless I had a satisfactory response from him, > I would post these comments on Naktalk, and would alert the local police. > As there has been no response, I am now taking this step. > > I have little hope of ever seeing my ZX-7 again, and I am posting these > comments as a warning to others in Australia to avoid dealing with John > Gipps, who is not to be trusted. > > Ross > > > > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 14:08:11 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane In-Reply-To: <00b201c8fec9$62e9cbf0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: <208147.3341.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Martin, I am sure the part timers are very good Nak technicians but good communication is essential. I remember emailing Kannan a year or more ago to take up a Dragon. He said he could but that this is not his full time gig and that he does not guarantee any time and he does not like to be asked constantly hows it progressing. At the time it seemed strange and offensive to me when he retorted in that manner........After a few really bad experiences with other Naktalk members who professed well and promised the sky, I now appreciate Kannan's forthright honesty in letting me know what to expect. ESL is the most pleasant experience one can have. Its a full time Nak restoration lab. They are expensive but realistic. You do get what you pay for and the time frames are clearly told and adhered to. However, they are not for everyone and an individual can not send multiple decks to them one after another unless one hits the lotto! In closing, its better to have realistic expectaions and never send your machines to far away lands in the hope of a better tech. Thinking penny wise and realizing you were pound foolish is what this Nak repair is perhaps all about. I know this, as I have burnt a few pounds( ok Dollars!) being penny wise. Or so I thought. Good luck folks! Ram --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Martin & Karen Short wrote: From: Martin & Karen Short Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 7:23 AM Ross, At the risk of being obvious.. have you tried the Telephone???? Like Tom, I believe you will get your ZX-7 back, and in good working order.. but based on past experiences, part time tech's are notoriously slow... and I mean very slow. I had my 680ZX in Axent in NZ.. supposedly reputable people.. they had it for 12 months and only managed to free up the transport and put new belts in it.. and hadn't addressed the electronics issues at all. I had to go in and physically retrieve the deck as I was moving to Oz.( this deck is now with John G , so we will see what my experience is like, but so far so good). Even when I used Searle's up in Whangarei NZ.. Ivan's turn around time varied significantly.. as he used these jobs as fill in's for his crew during quiet times, and I was quite OK with that, and received a favourable rate on the repair bill. I think the code of ethics idea is very good.. because it is unfair to solicit work, set an expectation, and then not deliver on it. But I also know that people have forwarded decks to repairers with unrealistic expecations on turn round times from part timers such as John and then been quite vocal about it. In your case 6 months so far isn't too bad!! I think many have come to the realisation that if you want speedy and reliable repair, you have to go to ESL or B&W or similar, at significant shipping cost.. one reason I have taught myself to at least be capable of the mechanical servicing. Good luck with getting your deck back. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Blackman" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane > I'm sorry to report that a technician in Brisbane, Australia by the name > of John Gipps has effectively stolen my ZX-7, and others should avoid > dealing with him. > > In about February this year I bought a ZX-7 from ebay, which was in good > condition but had a few issues. I posted some comments on Naktalk and > received a helpful email from John Gipps, who claimed to be a former > authorised Nakamichi technician with many continuing clients. He told me > he worked at another full time job and serviced Nakamichi decks on > weekends. He gave me his address and I sent my ZX-7 to him, first for an > assessment so I could make a claim from the ebay seller, and then for a > full service. He seemed to know what he was talking about, and I was in no > particular hurry to get the deck back, realising that a part-time > technician was not going to be particularly fast. > > We exchanged emails over a period of a couple of months, and he was always > apologising for being slow (and he could take weeks to reply to an email). > He was so slow in providing his initial assessment that I could not go > back to the ebay seller to make a claim. Whenever the deck looked close to > being finished, a new problem would suddenly appear, and he would need to > keep it for a few more weeks for "soak testing". A couple of months ago > (and some weeks after the last "soak test") I sent an email asking for an > update. No response. A few weeks later I sent another email. Again, no > response. Then I sent an email asking for my deck to be returned in > whatever condition it was currently in. Still no response. Last week, I > sent an email warning that unless I had a satisfactory response from him, > I would post these comments on Naktalk, and would alert the local police. > As there has been no response, I am now taking this step. > > I have little hope of ever seeing my ZX-7 again, and I am posting these > comments as a warning to others in Australia to avoid dealing with John > Gipps, who is not to be trusted. > > Ross > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Aug 15 14:54:29 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:54:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane In-Reply-To: <24454987.1218751893780.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <24454987.1218751893780.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48A57C85.2060801@verizon.net> Tom, It's been many, many years since I was an actual tech. At that time I had a pristine reputation as someone that always says it the way it is. No bending of the truth, no promises that can't be kept, no bedside manner -- just cold facts. Over the more recent past I have repaired a handful of audio components (mostly, Naks) for people whose equipment could not be fixed through remote advice. Usually, when I thought/hoped the work would be interesting. I alway made absolutely sure to state and emphasize that this was a hobby for me and that I was going to be as slow as I pleased. It never took years, but some did take several weeks or a couple of months. All this boils down to this simple rule: BE OPEN, BE HONEST. This means: - Be totally upfront. - Never, ever, make promises you can't keep. - Once you make a promise, never, ever, violate it. - And, MOST IMPORTANT: never, ever. break contact with a customer when the unforeseeable has happened and there is a problem. If you keep this simple rule, you will never get the reputation of being untrustworthy. This stigma is easy to get, very difficult to get rid off. And you won't be looking for a "creative solution" to the problem, because there won't be any problem. Just my $0.02... Think about it, Tom. And Stephen (if you ever read this), too. Maybe even Scott. Worst case, you will be thought of as brash or uncouth -- but honorable. Peace, -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > Ross, > My 6th sense tells me you will see your ZX7 back and it will be in good shape. I too am a technician, and often times have been perceived as a "black hole", and most definitely a slow technician. Typically we slow guys have real jobs and do Nak repairs for love. Anyway, I've never met John Gipps, but I can tell that he is indeed a real technician with Nakamichi experience. I am sorry for your frustrating experience. I'll do all I can to help you, and if John is stuck on a difficult problem, there are many of us here on NakTalk who are happy to help. > > NakTalkers.... there has to be a creative solution to what I will call the "Sank Syndrome" not to be mean but because Steve is the poster child for this frustrating situation. What communications or other systems might relieve the stress and result in better repair experiences? Could we create a voluntary "code of ethics"? Could we categorize technicians by location, experience, repair times on a general listing? I have many people telephone about Nak related issues. I consider it my duty to trade whatever business links I make for services to the Nak community. Wouter serves us all at some expense, and asks only for ...love? His example ought to guide the rest of us in how we treat each other. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ross Blackman >> Sent: Aug 14, 2008 6:59 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane >> >> I'm sorry to report that a technician in Brisbane, Australia by the name of >> John Gipps has effectively stolen my ZX-7, and others should avoid dealing >> with him. >> >> In about February this year I bought a ZX-7 from ebay, which was in good >> condition but had a few issues. I posted some comments on Naktalk and >> received a helpful email from John Gipps, who claimed to be a former >> authorised Nakamichi technician with many continuing clients. He told me he >> worked at another full time job and serviced Nakamichi decks on weekends. He >> gave me his address and I sent my ZX-7 to him, first for an assessment so I >> could make a claim from the ebay seller, and then for a full service. He >> seemed to know what he was talking about, and I was in no particular hurry >> to get the deck back, realising that a part-time technician was not going to >> be particularly fast. >> >> We exchanged emails over a period of a couple of months, and he was always >> apologising for being slow (and he could take weeks to reply to an email). >> He was so slow in providing his initial assessment that I could not go back >> to the ebay seller to make a claim. Whenever the deck looked close to being >> finished, a new problem would suddenly appear, and he would need to keep it >> for a few more weeks for "soak testing". A couple of months ago (and some >> weeks after the last "soak test") I sent an email asking for an update. No >> response. A few weeks later I sent another email. Again, no response. Then I >> sent an email asking for my deck to be returned in whatever condition it was >> currently in. Still no response. Last week, I sent an email warning that >> unless I had a satisfactory response from him, I would post these comments >> on Naktalk, and would alert the local police. As there has been no response, >> I am now taking this step. >> >> I have little hope of ever seeing my ZX-7 again, and I am posting these >> comments as a warning to others in Australia to avoid dealing with John >> Gipps, who is not to be trusted. >> >> Ross >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Especially >since she let me have my own recording studio but I want the living >room to sound right. > >Is there a way to tell the year of the unit? By serial number? > >Best regards, > >Gene >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Aug 15 16:47:11 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:47:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane In-Reply-To: <814299.55257.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <8912C565D50B4635B16BAFD93B260339@RossPC> <814299.55257.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080815144711.BZQH4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Ya know, this reminds me of some collaborative where we were able to put our locations and name down on this worldwide map. I think it was Wouter that started it and therefore we knew who are our neighbors. At 08:30 PM 8/14/2008, you wrote: >Do we have any other members in the Brisbane area (or travel to that >area) who know John and can help Ross get his deck? > >David > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Aug 15 17:07:20 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:07:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Age of Naks In-Reply-To: <20080815134949.BCKG4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> References: <20080815134949.BCKG4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <48A59BA8.8040908@yahoo.ca> You can go to Naks.com and click Register, it will all be explained. You could register your Nak at the same time. Cheers, Antoine > Hi, > > ESL just shipped me my Dragon back and it sounds awesome! Alas, it > reveals the shortcoming of my system and the room. I am tempted to > use it as sort of a "plugin" when I master my upcoming CD shortly. > How do one convince the wife so I can put up sound absorbing and > diffusing material in the living room? Especially since she let me > have my own recording studio but I want the living room to sound right. > > Is there a way to tell the year of the unit? By serial number? > > Best regards, > > /Gene > / From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 17:13:47 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Decks Are Expen$ive! In-Reply-To: <081520080124.11614.48A4DADB00064E3000002D5E22165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <119747.55936.qm@web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I use that to point out the great bargain I'm getting to my wife:-) But seriously, You got several things back then you don't now. A brand NEW deck with a warranty backed by a company in business and making sure parts and certified repair were available and also working on "bug" fixes. That is gone now. Factor in to your purchase repair/reconditioning cost right on top and the fact that the heads have some wear etc... Also, the price of some things have gone down while others have gone up. The calculator does not discriminate. Track the price of televisions and see what happens to older technoly in new sets in just one year. I was impressed that Willy put a 90 day parts and labor on his deck he had on ebay. You almost never see that on ebay. David --- On Thu, 8/14/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > ...But of course, YOU KNEW THAT already! > > I remember looking at Nakamichi decks in my local audio > store, knowing I could never afford one. They easily cost > much more than any other deck available to me at that time. > > Well, let's look at those original Nakamichi list > prices -- adjusted for inflation! > > Here's a website that gives you a pretty good idea what > things from the past would cost nowadays. > > There's only one hitch: You can only go as recent as > 2007 for your prices. > > But it's still an eye-opener! Type in the original > list price of your Nakamichi, along with the last year it > was available, and GET READY TO SPEND, SPEND, SPEND! LOL! > > http://www.westegg.com/inflation/ > > > *andy* > From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Aug 15 17:30:03 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Age of Naks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <616427.43542.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Gene, You could fine a magazine on studio design, cut out the photos and start pasting them in to Better Homes and Living and leave those for her to read:-) I'll bet she's to smart to fall for that one. Does she like art? You can invest in fine tapestries, rugs and some paintings (no glass fronts) that would help with sound absorption. Not quite a studio, but it can help. Good luck! David --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Gene Ess wrote: > From: Gene Ess > Subject: [naktalk] Age of Naks > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 2:25 PM > Hi, > > ESL just shipped me my Dragon back and it sounds awesome! > Alas, it reveals > the shortcoming of my system and the room. I am tempted to > use it as sort > of a "plugin" when I master my upcoming CD > shortly. How do one convince the > wife so I can put up sound absorbing and diffusing material > in the living > room? Especially since she let me have my own recording > studio but I want > the living room to sound right. > > Is there a way to tell the year of the unit? By serial > number? > > Best regards, > > Gene > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Aug 15 22:00:58 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:00:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician ? John Gipps, Brisbane In-Reply-To: <24454987.1218751893780.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <24454987.1218751893780.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <040c01c8ff11$a4e001d0$eea00570$@com> I agree, Tom, probably on both counts. Your idea is very interesting, and most positive. How do you think this might be done? Length of years servicing Naks? Service turnaround times? Could do "customer satisfaction" type scores from members' feedback for satisfaction WITH work done and overall satisfaction? E.g. score 0 to 4, (based in the common satisfaction scale of "No opinion [0]; Very unsatisfactory; On balance unsatisfactory; On balance, satisfactory; Very satisfactory") -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:12 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane Ross, My 6th sense tells me you will see your ZX7 back and it will be in good shape. I too am a technician, and often times have been perceived as a "black hole", and most definitely a slow technician. Typically we slow guys have real jobs and do Nak repairs for love. Anyway, I've never met John Gipps, but I can tell that he is indeed a real technician with Nakamichi experience. I am sorry for your frustrating experience. I'll do all I can to help you, and if John is stuck on a difficult problem, there are many of us here on NakTalk who are happy to help. NakTalkers.... there has to be a creative solution to what I will call the "Sank Syndrome" not to be mean but because Steve is the poster child for this frustrating situation. What communications or other systems might relieve the stress and result in better repair experiences? Could we create a voluntary "code of ethics"? Could we categorize technicians by location, experience, repair times on a general listing? I have many people telephone about Nak related issues. I consider it my duty to trade whatever business links I make for services to the Nak community. Wouter serves us all at some expense, and asks only for ...love? His example ought to guide the rest of us in how we treat each other. tom brucker From bennyly at web.de Fri Aug 15 23:16:25 2008 From: bennyly at web.de (Ben Beddig) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:16:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Idler tire replacement procedure? Message-ID: <330398222@web.de> Hello to everybody. I did disassemble my LX3. it has that standard drive. to get it out of the unit you have to take away the faceplate and then you can unsrew it from main body. To split it into two pieces is not painfull, just make sure wich srew had been sitting where. make fotos of each step. 1. unscrew the capstan motor from behind. 2. take out the capstan flywheels butdont loose the washer from front side, they are importante for having no oil at the tape. 3. then unsrew the two metal slices, remember every screws position. 4. thats it. take out the old idler but dont loose the little washer holding it, you may never get a new one. 5. becarefull for all belts and clean everything with a 100% isopropylalcohol and eartips only. 6. dont put oil or so in the capstan rotation area, just assemble everything and clean then the tape transport area and heads. I am sending within this email a foto of succesfull opened transport. Nice isnt it? the best transport ever build i guess! ( i dont like the Revox B215 maschine). questions welcome... ciao Benny, Germany > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Kevin Collins" > Gesendet: 12.08.08 22:36:16 > An: > Betreff: [naktalk] ZX-9 Idler tire replacement procedure? > > Hi folks, > I'm new to cassette decks in general, so bear with me. I recently > aquired a ZX-9, which has been stored for many years. I replaced all > the belts, and while tedious, I had no problems. I'd now like to > replace the idler tire, and the only referances to this I can find, > say that the transport basically has to be separated in half, and > that it's a booger of a job. I would appreciate any pointers you can > give me. Is it necessary to remove the face first, or at all? Or is > disassembly from the back of the transport the way I should be > planning? 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Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of fripp_em Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:30 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Age of Naks Hi Gene, You could fine a magazine on studio design, cut out the photos and start pasting them in to Better Homes and Living and leave those for her to read:-) I'll bet she's to smart to fall for that one. Does she like art? You can invest in fine tapestries, rugs and some paintings (no glass fronts) that would help with sound absorption. Not quite a studio, but it can help. Good luck! David --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Gene Ess wrote: > From: Gene Ess > Subject: [naktalk] Age of Naks > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 2:25 PM > Hi, > > ESL just shipped me my Dragon back and it sounds awesome! > Alas, it reveals > the shortcoming of my system and the room. I am tempted to > use it as sort > of a "plugin" when I master my upcoming CD > shortly. How do one convince the > wife so I can put up sound absorbing and diffusing material > in the living > room? Especially since she let me have my own recording > studio but I want > the living room to sound right. > > Is there a way to tell the year of the unit? By serial > number? > > Best regards, > > Gene > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Fri Aug 15 20:24:49 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:24:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Age of Naks In-Reply-To: <48A59BA8.8040908@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: I did. Thanks for the info. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:07 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Age of Naks You can go to Naks.com and click Register, it will all be explained. You could register your Nak at the same time. Cheers, Antoine > Hi, > > ESL just shipped me my Dragon back and it sounds awesome! Alas, it > reveals the shortcoming of my system and the room. I am tempted to > use it as sort of a "plugin" when I master my upcoming CD shortly. > How do one convince the wife so I can put up sound absorbing and > diffusing material in the living room? Especially since she let me > have my own recording studio but I want the living room to sound right. > > Is there a way to tell the year of the unit? By serial number? > > Best regards, > > /Gene > / ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Fri Aug 15 20:27:11 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:27:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Age of Naks In-Reply-To: <20080815134949.BCKG4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Roland. I did look and it is a 88, 4th quarter. But these stickers are easily abused by the seller or shop to make it look like it is newer. I guess since most of the inside is brand new by ESL, I'll think of it as 2008 with 88 shell. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:50 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Age of Naks Gene, there's a round sticker on the back, I think it is black/silver. The inside number is the year and then on the outer circle, there should be three numbers like 1-2-3 which would mean the first quarter of that year, 4-5-6 is the second quarter, etc,... At 05:25 PM 8/14/2008, you wrote: Hi, ESL just shipped me my Dragon back and it sounds awesome! Alas, it reveals the shortcoming of my system and the room. I am tempted to use it as sort of a "plugin" when I master my upcoming CD shortly. How do one convince the wife so I can put up sound absorbing and diffusing material in the living room? Especially since she let me have my own recording studio but I want the living room to sound right. Is there a way to tell the year of the unit? By serial number? 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Aug 15 20:15:39 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:15:39 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] A Danish Dragon Message-ID: <27074510.1218824139989.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Yes, high shipping is changing our world. Too bad we can't "WinZip" our decks! tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Per >Sent: Aug 15, 2008 12:29 AM >To: NakTalk >Subject: [naktalk] A Danish Dragon > >Hi Tom, > >SORRY for the late respons. I found out that shipping to >the US would amount to 175-200 dollars...! Shortly after >that the Dragon was sold/ withdrawn from www.dba.dk. > >Very Best Regards, > >Per > >Tom wrote - Apr 9, 2008: > >> Per, $270 to 300 US is about right for a Dragon parts >> machine! Any idea what shipping to the US is today? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From rblackm2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Aug 15 13:28:45 2008 From: rblackm2 at bigpond.net.au (Ross Blackman) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:28:45 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] (Probably Not) Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane In-Reply-To: <200808151001.m7FA0n3v022536@zxe.naks.com> References: <200808151001.m7FA0n3v022536@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Many thanks to all for the responses both on Naktalk and by email. My posting appears to have reached John through some others who read this mailing list, and I have exchanged a few emails with him today. I no longer think he is fraudulent and my sincere apologies to John for suggesting this. Nevertheless, he is certainly very, very slow and when this is combined with very poor customer communication, it can lead to the sorts of frustrations I expressed below. A number of people have contacted me to confirm that John Gipps is quite genuine and an excellent technician. In an email today, he told me that work on the deck is finished and he will shortly send it to me. Of course, it may be some time before I see it, but I am a little more reassured that my ZX-7 is not lost forever and, again, I do apologise to John for suggesting some sinister intent. I appreciate that for many technicians, working on older Naks is a labour of love and is done in spare time. As a result, there can be long delays in returning a serviced deck. I think this is understood, but as a suggestion to the many technicians on this mailing list, it would be a good idea to keep your customers informed from time to time on the status of your work, so that there is no misunderstanding. We know it takes time, but if there is no personal relationship, and there is a failure of communication, customers may jump to the wrong conclusion, as it appears I did. Ross > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:59:33 +1000 > From: "Ross Blackman" > Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane > To: > Message-ID: <8912C565D50B4635B16BAFD93B260339 at RossPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I'm sorry to report that a technician in Brisbane, Australia by the name > of > John Gipps has effectively stolen my ZX-7, and others should avoid dealing > with him. > > In about February this year I bought a ZX-7 from ebay, which was in good > condition but had a few issues. I posted some comments on Naktalk and > received a helpful email from John Gipps, who claimed to be a former > authorised Nakamichi technician with many continuing clients. He told me > he > worked at another full time job and serviced Nakamichi decks on weekends. > He > gave me his address and I sent my ZX-7 to him, first for an assessment so > I > could make a claim from the ebay seller, and then for a full service. He > seemed to know what he was talking about, and I was in no particular hurry > to get the deck back, realising that a part-time technician was not going > to > be particularly fast. > > We exchanged emails over a period of a couple of months, and he was always > apologising for being slow (and he could take weeks to reply to an email). > He was so slow in providing his initial assessment that I could not go > back > to the ebay seller to make a claim. Whenever the deck looked close to > being > finished, a new problem would suddenly appear, and he would need to keep > it > for a few more weeks for "soak testing". A couple of months ago (and some > weeks after the last "soak test") I sent an email asking for an update. No > response. A few weeks later I sent another email. Again, no response. Then > I > sent an email asking for my deck to be returned in whatever condition it > was > currently in. Still no response. Last week, I sent an email warning that > unless I had a satisfactory response from him, I would post these comments > on Naktalk, and would alert the local police. As there has been no > response, > I am now taking this step. > > I have little hope of ever seeing my ZX-7 again, and I am posting these > comments as a warning to others in Australia to avoid dealing with John > Gipps, who is not to be trusted. > > Ross > > > From sandie.blonskie at verizon.net Sat Aug 16 21:17:53 2008 From: sandie.blonskie at verizon.net (HENRY NJIBE) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:17:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane References: <24454987.1218751893780.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <48A57C85.2060801@verizon.net> Message-ID: <93C8AD85B8BC4F9A998DF3E38EFA37C3@MACPRO> I was able to change the iddler rubber for an RX202 today but I don't think that the rubber is the issue. The motor that moves the iddler (the the one that moves the iddler left and right) moves the iddler to the right, then spins for a couple of seconds intermittently and then moves it back to the center. It repeats this process continuously. The contact between iddler and tape transport mechanism and the motor spindle seems to be fine. It just doesn't stick to the transport mechanism (back or forward) for a continuous spin. Any idea what could be wrong and how to fix it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Fri Aug 15 23:35:53 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:35:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician ? John Gipps, Brisbane In-Reply-To: <040c01c8ff11$a4e001d0$eea00570$@com> References: <24454987.1218751893780.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <040c01c8ff11$a4e001d0$eea00570$@com> Message-ID: <2E4C169B3B554BB99300665F41674258@geoffprimary> How about using the new eBay feedback system? -- Geoffrey Reynolds From: "Graham A Nelson" >I agree, Tom, probably on both counts. > > Your idea is very interesting, and most positive. How do you think this > might be done? Length > of years servicing Naks? Service turnaround times? Could do "customer > satisfaction" type > scores from members' feedback for satisfaction WITH work done and overall > satisfaction? E.g. > score 0 to 4, (based in the common satisfaction scale of "No opinion [0]; > Very unsatisfactory; > On balance unsatisfactory; On balance, satisfactory; Very satisfactory") From bennyly at web.de Fri Aug 15 23:45:02 2008 From: bennyly at web.de (Ben Beddig) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:45:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots Message-ID: <330504512@web.de> Hello ED. I think the JET SOUND is a missing CAM Motor belt. Look inside the transport and see the three motors. one is driving the capstan shafts. the second is sitting between the reels and the third is moving a cam gear via beltdrive to move the heads and everything. the missing screws are very ordinary, may exchangeable by standard screws. may someone sends a photo of genuine screws, or screws. please look that belt thing, yes ? let us know. benny germany > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: > Gesendet: 13.08.08 17:48:45 > An: edteller at cox.net > CC: naktalk at naks.com > Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots > > Hi, Ed: > > Hmmm.... It sounds like the seller was less than totally honest when he wrote the description for this deck. It sounds like this deck wasn't operational when it was shipped. This doesn't necessarily sound like shipping damage. > > When I think about the fact that NONE of the transport mounting screws were present in your MR-1, I can't help thinking that this deck was "worked on" by an extremely careless AND clueless person. > > This deck could have problems that were actually CAUSED by whoever was poking around in there. > > The "jet engine" you described sounds like something having to do with the capstans or capstan flywheels is scraping or rubbing against something. > > Since the lame-brain who "worked on" this deck forgot to reinstall the transport screws, take a look around and make sure that there are no additional missing screws inside the deck. CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO LOOSE SCREWS WEDGED INTO AREAS OF THE TRANSPORT THAT HAVE MOVING PARTS. > > As for no transport functions working, it could be a stalled control motor. Try to put the deck into Play mode while you nudge the large white gear next to the control motor. Just keep pressing the Play button while you nudge this gear with the eraser end of a pencil, and see if the control motor "wakes up" and puts the deck into Play. > > Now would be a good time to check if ALL of the little plastic connectors are firmly attached to the circuit board. Whenever I know a deck has been monkeyed around with, I am ready to suspect ANYTHING. > > INTERESTING STORY illustrating a situation that might apply to you: > > I acquired a BX-150 off of eBay. According to the item description, the deck worked fine before going into storage, and after being taken out of storage, it tried to eat a tape (takeup spool wasn't winding--as we all know, the idler tire was bad). That is ALL the seller mentioned in the item description. What the seller FORGOT to mention was that a lame-brain had obviously gone inside this deck and attempted to "repair" it. > > When I received the deck and first switched it on, the control motor kept rapidly cycling through all of the functions. The control motor would NOT stop spinning. It was at this time that I noticed that both of the reel hubs were MOVING AROUND. The hubs were clearly NOT anchored. What?!?! > > When I took the top off of the deck, the full story was revealed. The lame-brain had obviously concluded that the deck's problem had something to do with the reel motor assembly and tried to remove the assembly from the rear of the transport. Both of the screws that anchor the reel motor assembly were missing. The entire reel motor assembly was loosely drooping down and sitting on top of the control motor's leaf switches. This caused the leaf switches to remain closed even when they were supposed to be open, thus sending power to the control motor at inappropriate times. > > Where were the reel motor mounting screws? I'll tell you where I found them. They were screwed into the two spare mounting holes on the top of the tape transport assembly! Once I put them back where they were supposed to go and freshened up the idler tire and capstan belt, the deck worked perfectly. > > What probably happened is this: The lame-brain tried to "repair" the deck by taking a look at the reel motor. Since the lame-brain was unfamiliar with the Sankyo transport, he never knew to look at the idler, which is accessible from the FRONT. When the control motor started freaking out, the lame-brain concluded (correctly) that he stood a good chance of making the deck WORSE, not better, and slapped the whole thing back together quickly -- TOO quickly to remember to put two VERY important screws back where he had found them! > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > _________________________________________________________________________ In 5 Schritten zur eigenen Homepage. Jetzt Domain sichern und gestalten! Nur 3,99 EUR/Monat! http://www.maildomain.web.de/?mc=021114 From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 00:11:47 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] subject line In-Reply-To: <93C8AD85B8BC4F9A998DF3E38EFA37C3@MACPRO> Message-ID: <520573.48702.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Please stop using this subject line. "Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane" People who don't know any better will think that John is the new Sank or something. David From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Aug 16 00:29:59 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:29:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Geoffrey In-Reply-To: <2E4C169B3B554BB99300665F41674258@geoffprimary> References: <24454987.1218751893780.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <040c01c8ff11$a4e001d0$eea00570$@com> <2E4C169B3B554BB99300665F41674258@geoffprimary> Message-ID: <04d601c8ff26$753273e0$5f975ba0$@com> LOL!!! What a cruel man you are!! LOL! -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Reynolds How about using the new eBay feedback system? -- Geoffrey Reynolds From bennyly at web.de Sat Aug 16 00:53:37 2008 From: bennyly at web.de (Ben Beddig) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:53:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] subject line Message-ID: <330626053@web.de> Hello to everybody I am a radio and tv electrician and have lots of customers. email and telephone contact is the most important thing in doing this job. to not answer those customers emails is a very bad boys behavior, and customer is in right to tell the name of such person. I thing mr J.G. has to solder his own decks only in future so a better boy can do the NAK service. Naks are easy to repair and understand. By the way iam selling complette schematics and service manual of Dragon / LX5 / BX300E. ( i own all these dreams !) > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "fripp_em" > Gesendet: 16.08.08 00:20:25 > An: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Betreff: Re: [naktalk] subject line > Please stop using this subject line. > > "Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane" > > People who don't know any better will think that John is the new Sank or something. > > David > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > _______________________________________________________________________ EINE FÜR ALLE: die kostenlose WEB.DE-Plattform für Freunde und Deine Homepage mit eigenem Namen. Jetzt starten! http://unddu.de/?kid=kid at mf2 From bennyly at web.de Sat Aug 16 01:08:02 2008 From: bennyly at web.de (Ben Beddig) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:08:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots Message-ID: <330643797@web.de> sorry ed i didnot realized it is a so called sankyo drive in your mr 1. so it has no beltdrive. It has a wormgear drive!!!! sorry. The jetsound can be a broken worm ! it is only a plasik made part that sitts there under pressure onto the shaft of the motor. after all these years it could get dry and break, so motor is spinning but no mechanical force transport takes place. I know that in kenwood decks (e.g.: KX880) is the same worm gear (sankyo drive), also onkyo decks have this. let us know what you plan to do. benny hamburg, germany > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "Ben Beddig" > Gesendet: 16.08.08 00:21:12 > An: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots > Hello ED. > > I think the JET SOUND is a missing CAM Motor belt. Look inside the transport and see the three motors. one is driving the capstan shafts. > the second is sitting between the reels and the third is moving a cam gear via beltdrive to move the heads and everything. > the missing screws are very ordinary, may exchangeable by standard screws. may someone sends a photo of genuine screws, or screws. > please look that belt thing, yes ? let us know. > benny > germany > ____________________________________________________________ Großes Kino für zu Hause - Kostenlos für alle WEB.DE Nutzer! Jetzt kostenlos anmelden unter http://www.blockbuster.web.de From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 16 05:50:17 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:50:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Mis-understanding In-Reply-To: References: <200808151001.m7FA0n3v022536@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <081620080350.15178.48A64E77000CFEF200003B4A22228869349B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> A great example to all our resident technicians here who informally repair our decks, please take note. Even if you are doing a member a "favor" and extending yourself, by repairing someones cherished Nak as a hobby or whatever, it makes no difference. Be respectful.since it is not your property and you must do the right thing. Communication on a periodic schedule would avoid panic. This is critical. You could be the worlds greatest Dragon/ZX/RX/CR expert and it is all for not if you unintentionally fail to advise on the progress made. I sincerely hope we no longer see someone in crisis over a simple mis-understanding.... -------------- Original message from "Ross Blackman" : -------------- > Many thanks to all for the responses both on Naktalk and by email. > > My posting appears to have reached John through some others who read this > mailing list, and I have exchanged a few emails with him today. > > I no longer think he is fraudulent and my sincere apologies to John for > suggesting this. > > Nevertheless, he is certainly very, very slow and when this is combined with > very poor customer communication, it can lead to the sorts of frustrations I > expressed below. A number of people have contacted me to confirm that John > Gipps is quite genuine and an excellent technician. In an email today, he > told me that work on the deck is finished and he will shortly send it to me. > Of course, it may be some time before I see it, but I am a little more > reassured that my ZX-7 is not lost forever and, again, I do apologise to > John for suggesting some sinister intent. > > I appreciate that for many technicians, working on older Naks is a labour of > love and is done in spare time. As a result, there can be long delays in > returning a serviced deck. I think this is understood, but as a suggestion > to the many technicians on this mailing list, it would be a good idea to > keep your customers informed from time to time on the status of your work, > so that there is no misunderstanding. We know it takes time, but if there is > no personal relationship, and there is a failure of communication, customers > may jump to the wrong conclusion, as it appears I did. > > Ross > > > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:59:33 +1000 > > From: "Ross Blackman" > > Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane > > To: > > Message-ID: <8912C565D50B4635B16BAFD93B260339 at RossPC> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > I'm sorry to report that a technician in Brisbane, Australia by the name > > of > > John Gipps has effectively stolen my ZX-7, and others should avoid dealing > > with him. > > > > In about February this year I bought a ZX-7 from ebay, which was in good > > condition but had a few issues. I posted some comments on Naktalk and > > received a helpful email from John Gipps, who claimed to be a former > > authorised Nakamichi technician with many continuing clients. He told me > > he > > worked at another full time job and serviced Nakamichi decks on weekends. > > He > > gave me his address and I sent my ZX-7 to him, first for an assessment so > > I > > could make a claim from the ebay seller, and then for a full service. He > > seemed to know what he was talking about, and I was in no particular hurry > > to get the deck back, realising that a part-time technician was not going > > to > > be particularly fast. > > > > We exchanged emails over a period of a couple of months, and he was always > > apologising for being slow (and he could take weeks to reply to an email). > > He was so slow in providing his initial assessment that I could not go > > back > > to the ebay seller to make a claim. Whenever the deck looked close to > > being > > finished, a new problem would suddenly appear, and he would need to keep > > it > > for a few more weeks for "soak testing". A couple of months ago (and some > > weeks after the last "soak test") I sent an email asking for an update. No > > response. A few weeks later I sent another email. Again, no response. Then > > I > > sent an email asking for my deck to be returned in whatever condition it > > was > > currently in. Still no response. Last week, I sent an email warning that > > unless I had a satisfactory response from him, I would post these comments > > on Naktalk, and would alert the local police. As there has been no > > response, > > I am now taking this step. > > > > I have little hope of ever seeing my ZX-7 again, and I am posting these > > comments as a warning to others in Australia to avoid dealing with John > > Gipps, who is not to be trusted. > > > > Ross > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 01:34:36 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ebay In-Reply-To: <04d601c8ff26$753273e0$5f975ba0$@com> Message-ID: <466294.93229.qm@web50511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> As a sometimes ebay buyer who had to worry about crooked sellers taking retaliation for honest feedback, I'm actually finding the new feedback system pretty good. I actually haven't had to leave any bad feedback and sellers seem to be doing pretty good. In fact I'm buying more now, so maybe ebay is doing something right:-) http://pages.ebay.com/services/forum/new.html http://pages.ebay.com/services/forum/changes.html "Why are sellers only allowed to leave buyers positive Feedback? Buyers can only receive positive Feedback because of their role as a customer. In addition, when buyers received negative Feedback, they reduced their activity in the marketplace, which in-turn harmed sellers. If and when buyers abuse Feedback, sellers can notify eBay via the Seller reporting hub and immediate action will be taken against those buyers." Ebay was loosing buyers (like me) and had to do something, even if imperfect. Now if we could just get ebay to stop putting me in the beta version test group. That is really not enhancing my ebay experience and I have to keep taking myself out of it (or wait for the option to take myself out of it to get put back in!). It's not a pretty redesign coming our way. David From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 16 01:36:50 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:36:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] (Probably Not) Fraudulent Technician Alert Message-ID: <16706699.1218843410924.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ross, Most of us are here to help each other. A few are only interesting in flipping auction decks, but they soon learn there is easier money flipping Marantz receivers. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Ross Blackman >Sent: Aug 15, 2008 6:28 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] (Probably Not) Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane > >Many thanks to all for the responses both on Naktalk and by email. > >My posting appears to have reached John through some others who read this >mailing list, and I have exchanged a few emails with him today. > >I no longer think he is fraudulent and my sincere apologies to John for >suggesting this. > >Nevertheless, he is certainly very, very slow and when this is combined with >very poor customer communication, it can lead to the sorts of frustrations I >expressed below. A number of people have contacted me to confirm that John >Gipps is quite genuine and an excellent technician. In an email today, he >told me that work on the deck is finished and he will shortly send it to me. >Of course, it may be some time before I see it, but I am a little more >reassured that my ZX-7 is not lost forever and, again, I do apologise to >John for suggesting some sinister intent. > >I appreciate that for many technicians, working on older Naks is a labour of >love and is done in spare time. As a result, there can be long delays in >returning a serviced deck. I think this is understood, but as a suggestion >to the many technicians on this mailing list, it would be a good idea to >keep your customers informed from time to time on the status of your work, >so that there is no misunderstanding. We know it takes time, but if there is >no personal relationship, and there is a failure of communication, customers >may jump to the wrong conclusion, as it appears I did. > >Ross > > > > >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:59:33 +1000 >> From: "Ross Blackman" >> Subject: [naktalk] Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane >> To: >> Message-ID: <8912C565D50B4635B16BAFD93B260339 at RossPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> I'm sorry to report that a technician in Brisbane, Australia by the name >> of >> John Gipps has effectively stolen my ZX-7, and others should avoid dealing >> with him. >> >> In about February this year I bought a ZX-7 from ebay, which was in good >> condition but had a few issues. I posted some comments on Naktalk and >> received a helpful email from John Gipps, who claimed to be a former >> authorised Nakamichi technician with many continuing clients. He told me >> he >> worked at another full time job and serviced Nakamichi decks on weekends. >> He >> gave me his address and I sent my ZX-7 to him, first for an assessment so >> I >> could make a claim from the ebay seller, and then for a full service. He >> seemed to know what he was talking about, and I was in no particular hurry >> to get the deck back, realising that a part-time technician was not going >> to >> be particularly fast. >> >> We exchanged emails over a period of a couple of months, and he was always >> apologising for being slow (and he could take weeks to reply to an email). >> He was so slow in providing his initial assessment that I could not go >> back >> to the ebay seller to make a claim. Whenever the deck looked close to >> being >> finished, a new problem would suddenly appear, and he would need to keep >> it >> for a few more weeks for "soak testing". A couple of months ago (and some >> weeks after the last "soak test") I sent an email asking for an update. No >> response. A few weeks later I sent another email. Again, no response. Then >> I >> sent an email asking for my deck to be returned in whatever condition it >> was >> currently in. Still no response. Last week, I sent an email warning that >> unless I had a satisfactory response from him, I would post these comments >> on Naktalk, and would alert the local police. As there has been no >> response, >> I am now taking this step. >> >> I have little hope of ever seeing my ZX-7 again, and I am posting these >> comments as a warning to others in Australia to avoid dealing with John >> Gipps, who is not to be trusted. >> >> Ross >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Aug 16 14:03:54 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:03:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Making Accusations of Crime is serious, not just a throwaway line. In-Reply-To: <330626053@web.de> References: <330626053@web.de> Message-ID: <069b01c8ff98$28cf5f50$7a6e1df0$@com> I agree with Ben, it is justifiable to alert people about bad contacts from engineers (or anyone else, come to that) and even inadequate standards of servicing, but I don't believe public accusations of criminality without in controversial proof is not. A lack of contact may suggest fraud is a possibility and worthy of further investigation but, imo, it isn't enough to publicly conclude that it IS fraud and to tell the World it is so. And we are taking about the World because this is the Worldwide Web! Where it is possible I would urge members to (continue to) assist their fellows in trying to resolve such issues. Failing that, it would not be unreasonable to request help from the Authorities (police?) But it is totally wrong to make PUBLIC accusations before there is no doubt about guilt. Since one member was earlier wrongly accused several people have left the list before his honesty was established; if they believed the wrong accusation they are probably none the wiser of the fellow's restored reputation, and may spread the falsehood widely still thinking it true. We know how fast urban myths spread on the web, how fast jokes spread - we may assume false allegations will travel at the same speed and coverage. Accusing people of a crime is very serious, not just a throwaway remark. It can do a great deal of damage way beyond the immediate problem. If it could only affect the guilty people, may be that would be fine (although - personally, I think everyone deserves a fair trial) but as we can clearly see, it may also hurt the innocent, too. Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ben Beddig Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:54 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] subject line Hello to everybody I am a radio and tv electrician and have lots of customers. email and telephone contact is the most important thing in doing this job. to not answer those customers emails is a very bad boys behavior, and customer is in right to tell the name of such person. I thing mr J.G. has to solder his own decks only in future so a better boy can do the NAK service. Naks are easy to repair and understand. By the way iam selling complette schematics and service manual of Dragon / LX5 / BX300E. ( i own all these dreams !) From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Aug 16 14:21:35 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:21:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] subject line Plus In-Reply-To: <520573.48702.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <93C8AD85B8BC4F9A998DF3E38EFA37C3@MACPRO> <520573.48702.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <06a401c8ff9a$a15a8650$e40f92f0$@com> Quite right, too, David. Incidentally, while trawling the web for a photo I saw just the other month of Stephen Sank, I noticed other negative comments arising in a handful of other lists. But I also saw recent praise for him and note he is doing all the mic and amp work for proaudioheaven. It seems strange that he currently enjoys a good reputation in one place and not in another. May with Stephen it is ALSO a case that working on Nak's is a hobby, but it would be nice to know! Incidentally, I believe it is possible to contact him through their on-line "contact" form. Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of fripp_em Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:12 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] subject line Please stop using this subject line. "Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane" People who don't know any better will think that John is the new Sank or something. David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From edteller at cox.net Sat Aug 16 13:11:59 2008 From: edteller at cox.net (Ed Teller) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:11:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots In-Reply-To: <330643797@web.de> References: <330643797@web.de> Message-ID: Found the problem, the circuit boaard on the back of the motor was broken in half. At first it did not look like there were any circuits running through were it broke, but after careful inspection there were indeed alot. Paypal sided with me, so the deck is going back. Ed On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:08:02 -0400, Ben Beddig wrote: > sorry ed i didnot realized it is a so called sankyo drive in your mr 1. > so it has no beltdrive. It has a wormgear drive!!!! sorry. > > The jetsound can be a broken worm ! it is only a plasik made part that > sitts there under pressure onto the shaft of the motor. > after all these years it could get dry and break, so motor is spinning > but no mechanical force transport takes place. > I know that in kenwood decks (e.g.: KX880) is the same worm gear (sankyo > drive), also onkyo decks have this. > let us know what you plan to do. > > benny > hamburg, germany > > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: "Ben Beddig" >> Gesendet: 16.08.08 00:21:12 >> An: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Betreff: Re: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots > > >> Hello ED. >> >> I think the JET SOUND is a missing CAM Motor belt. Look inside the >> transport and see the three motors. one is driving the capstan shafts. >> the second is sitting between the reels and the third is moving a cam >> gear via beltdrive to move the heads and everything. >> the missing screws are very ordinary, may exchangeable by standard >> screws. may someone sends a photo of genuine screws, or screws. >> please look that belt thing, yes ? let us know. >> benny >> germany >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > Großes Kino für zu Hause - Kostenlos für alle WEB.DE Nutzer! > Jetzt kostenlos anmelden unter http://www.blockbuster.web.de > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 16 16:57:25 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:57:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ebay In-Reply-To: <466294.93229.qm@web50511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <04d601c8ff26$753273e0$5f975ba0$@com> <466294.93229.qm@web50511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <081620081457.17954.48A6EAD4000717B90000462222230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Can somone shed light on this eBay (Beta) redesign. Why must companies constantly tinker with somthing that works without explaining the "improvment"? I intensely dislike the listing reformat and would like to add my name to surely the growing list of complaints. -------------- Original message from fripp_em : -------------- As a sometimes ebay buyer who had to worry about crooked sellers taking retaliation for honest feedback, I'm actually finding the new feedback system pretty good. I actually haven't had to leave any bad feedback and sellers seem to be doing pretty good. In fact I'm buying more now, so maybe ebay is doing > something right:-) > > http://pages.ebay.com/services/forum/new.html > http://pages.ebay.com/services/forum/changes.html > > "Why are sellers only allowed to leave buyers positive Feedback? Buyers can only receive positive Feedback because of their role as a customer. In addition, when buyers received negative Feedback, they reduced their activity > in the marketplace, which in-turn harmed sellers. If and when buyers abuse Feedback, sellers can notify eBay via the Seller > reporting hub and immediate action will be taken against those buyers." > Ebay was loosing buyers (like me) and had to do something, even if imperfect. Now if we could just get ebay to stop putting me in the beta version test group. > That is really not enhancing my ebay experience and I have to keep taking myself > out of it (or wait for the option to take myself out of it to get put back in!). > It's not a pretty redesign coming our way. > > David > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 17:33:07 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Speedy Techs In-Reply-To: <200808161001.m7GA0oL2017777@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <883688.38728.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> For US Nak collectors, the solution is simple-Willy or *andy* here. If you think ESL is too high (and I do), you can get the high level of work you need from either of the above mentioned techs. Not only that, but their turnaround time should please everyone but the most persnickety whiner. International shipping has become its own quagmire, unfortunately and I'm not sure there is any solution there. Kevin From: "Ross Blackman" Subject: [naktalk] (Probably Not) Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Many thanks to all for the responses both on Naktalk and by email. My posting appears to have reached John through some others who read this mailing list, and I have exchanged a few emails with him today. I no longer think he is fraudulent and my sincere apologies to John for suggesting this. Nevertheless, he is certainly very, very slow and when this is combined with very poor customer communication, it can lead to the sorts of frustrations I expressed below. A number of people have contacted me to confirm that John Gipps is quite genuine and an excellent technician. In an email today, he told me that work on the deck is finished and he will shortly send it to me. Of course, it may be some time before I see it, but I am a little more reassured that my ZX-7 is not lost forever and, again, I do apologise to John for suggesting some sinister intent. I appreciate that for many technicians, working on older Naks is a labour of love and is done in spare time. As a result, there can be long delays in returning a serviced deck. I think this is understood, but as a suggestion to the many technicians on this mailing list, it would be a good idea to keep your customers informed from time to time on the status of your work, so that there is no misunderstanding. We know it takes time, but if there is no personal relationship, and there is a failure of communication, customers may jump to the wrong conclusion, as it appears I did. Ross From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sat Aug 16 20:45:48 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ebay In-Reply-To: <081620081457.17954.48A6EAD4000717B90000462222230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <359898.83986.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I wrote and complained to ebay when I couldn't get out of Beta. I was told some people were in Beta and could opt out (including me) while others didn't get the opt out options. I then checked and there was an opt out button. I've been put back in beta and sometimes I can't get out right away. I was pointed at: >You can find the My eBay discussion board here: http://forums.ebay.com/db2/forum.jspa?forumID=73 I went there and complained about the search below and was very nicely pointed at another set of threads that might be more helpful. I went to the location and there were already 100s of threads, some of them very active. It was overwhelming. There are ebay people on these discussions who are announcing features and trying to answer problems. I just wasn't sure how much say they had over stopping the coming updates (or fixing them). It seem to me that a bunch of intern web programmers are running amok. Case in point: to look at local auctions I click a check box that already remembers my zip code and put in the miles. I can then keep searching new queries with that setting. In the beta it's click more options, a window covers my current window with options. From there I can click on advanced options. That takes me to a web page where I can put in my distance/zip code parameters and do a search. Those settings are lost after the search, so to search again with those parameters, I have to go through th entire process including putting in my zip code which is not remembered. Huh? For each search? Maybe after my complaints, they fixed that? Good Luck, Beta in coming. David --- On Sat, 8/16/08, ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: > Can somone shed light on this eBay (Beta) redesign. Why must > companies constantly > tinker with somthing that works without explaining the > "improvment"? I intensely dislike > the listing reformat and would like to add my name to > surely the growing list of complaints. > -------------- Original message from fripp_em > : -------------- > > As a sometimes ebay buyer who had to worry about crooked > sellers taking retaliation for honest feedback, I'm > actually finding the new feedback system pretty good. I > actually haven't had to leave any bad feedback and > sellers seem to be doing pretty good. In fact I'm buying > more now, so maybe ebay is doing > > something right:-) > > > > http://pages.ebay.com/services/forum/new.html > > http://pages.ebay.com/services/forum/changes.html > > > > "Why are sellers only allowed to leave buyers > positive Feedback? Buyers can only receive positive Feedback > because of their role as a customer. In addition, when > buyers received negative Feedback, they reduced their > activity > > in the marketplace, which in-turn harmed sellers. If > and when buyers abuse Feedback, sellers can notify eBay via > the Seller > > reporting hub and immediate action will be taken > against those buyers." > > Ebay was loosing buyers (like me) and had to do > something, even if imperfect. Now if we could just get ebay > to stop putting me in the beta version test group. > > That is really not enhancing my ebay experience and I > have to keep taking myself > > out of it (or wait for the option to take myself out > of it to get put back in!). > > It's not a pretty redesign coming our way. > > > > David > > From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Sun Aug 17 07:19:54 2008 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:19:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What do you clean your heads with? Message-ID: For the longest while I have used Intraclean 7-11 solution for both heads and rubber on my Nak decks. However, my stock is coming to an end. Does anyone know if they still make this solution OR should I try something else? I like to stick by what works but I am open to suggestions. I started using the Intraclean formulation in the mid 1980's when it was recommended by the then service manager of Nak USA. Cheers _________________________________________________________________ Find hidden words, unscramble celebrity names, or try the ultimate crossword puzzle with Live Search Games. Play now! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/212 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From badanth at aim.com Sun Aug 17 13:56:13 2008 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:56:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Control motor problems In-Reply-To: <330626053@web.de> References: <330626053@web.de> Message-ID: <8CACE7761A866D1-130-1265@WEBMAIL-MC07.sysops.aol.com> I have a bad spot in my control motor. The tape stops and nothing works until I push the cam wheel and it's back to normal for awhile. How hard is it to take one out and clean? I've never done this before and don't know what to expect. Thanks, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 14:54:32 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: subject line Plus In-Reply-To: <200808171000.m7HA0bla011316@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <984633.51603.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Sometime back, a member here posted that he 'heard' Stephen Sank was dying of AIDS (because of Sank's seemingly public absence). I think that was the most demeaning, slanderous thing said here since I've been a member. It was to imply, of course, that he is gay-not a shared needle user, recipient of bad blood or unlucky with his choice in women. I found that accusation vile, personally insulting and I don't even know Stephen. Definitely, we need to clean up some of the wild finger pointing that has no or little basis in fact, as it wrongfully hurts those involved. Kevin Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:21:35 +0100 From: "Graham A Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] subject line Plus To: , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <06a401c8ff9a$a15a8650$e40f92f0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Quite right, too, David. Incidentally, while trawling the web for a photo I saw just the other month of Stephen Sank, I noticed other negative comments arising in a handful of other lists. But I also saw recent praise for him and note he is doing all the mic and amp work for proaudioheaven. It seems strange that he currently enjoys a good reputation in one place and not in another. May with Stephen it is ALSO a case that working on Nak's is a hobby, but it would be nice to know! Incidentally, I believe it is possible to contact him through their on-line "contact" form. Graham From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Aug 17 18:42:27 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:42:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Making Accusations of Crime is serious, not just a throwaway line. Message-ID: <20080284.1218991347373.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In some of the negative posts I read I can't help but believe the issues are failure to please the buyer's expectations. RAM's description of Kannan's "disclaimer" seems to be one element of a NakTalk solution. I'm also thinking certain members could "sponsor" a vendor or servicer, and look into problems much as a mediator would. An Ethics Code might include a stepwise procedure for disputes. It might work like this: 'Wilbur Backtension is a Nakamichi trained technician. Retired and living in St. Louis, USA, he specializes in orange capacitor upgrades for the 480 series Nakamichi decks. His schedule allows 5 hours a day for repair projects. Wilbur is recommended by Naktalk members Jeffrie Hybias and Rubbert Idler. For any issues concerning Wilbur's performance, cc: Jeffrie and Rubbert for assistance.' My idea is the first dispute level is contacting the vendor, second level contacting vendor and 2 additional members, and 3rd level post to the whole list. Sponsor members could be simple volunteers, past customers of the vendor, or associates. The key is maintaining communication pathways. Sponsors would be privvy to "back door " contact numbers and addresses. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Graham A Nelson >Sent: Aug 16, 2008 7:03 AM >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: [naktalk] Making Accusations of Crime is serious, not just a throwaway line. > >I agree with Ben, it is justifiable to alert people about bad contacts from >engineers (or anyone else, come to that) and even inadequate standards of >servicing, but I don't believe public accusations of criminality without in >controversial proof is not. > >A lack of contact may suggest fraud is a possibility and worthy of further >investigation but, imo, it isn't enough to publicly conclude that it IS >fraud and to tell the World it is so. And we are taking about the World >because this is the Worldwide Web! > >Where it is possible I would urge members to (continue to) assist their >fellows in trying to resolve such issues. Failing that, it would not be >unreasonable to request help from the Authorities (police?) But it is >totally wrong to make PUBLIC accusations before there is no doubt about >guilt. Since one member was earlier wrongly accused several people have >left the list before his honesty was established; if they believed the >wrong accusation they are probably none the wiser of the fellow's restored >reputation, and may spread the falsehood widely still thinking it true. We >know how fast urban myths spread on the web, how fast jokes spread - we may >assume false allegations will travel at the same speed and coverage. > >Accusing people of a crime is very serious, not just a throwaway remark. It >can do a great deal of damage way beyond the immediate problem. If it could >only affect the guilty people, may be that would be fine (although - >personally, I think everyone deserves a fair trial) but as we can clearly >see, it may also hurt the innocent, too. > >Graham > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Ben Beddig >Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:54 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] subject line > >Hello to everybody >I am a radio and tv electrician and have lots of customers. email and >telephone contact is the most important thing in doing this job. >to not answer those customers emails is a very bad boys behavior, and >customer is in right to tell the name of such person. >I thing mr J.G. has to solder his own decks only in future so a better boy >can do the NAK service. Naks are easy to repair and understand. > >By the way iam selling complette schematics and service manual of Dragon / >LX5 / BX300E. ( i own all these dreams !) > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Aug 17 18:45:11 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:45:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Mis-understanding Message-ID: <2010275.1218991511015.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Aug 17 22:08:03 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:08:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Speedy Techs In-Reply-To: <883688.38728.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <200808161001.m7GA0oL2017777@zxe.naks.com> <883688.38728.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <012701c900a4$f601cf00$e2056d00$@com> Kevin Before writing off ESL as expensive, you have to realise they are not too interested in "mere" repairs or servicing. ESL seem to prefer renovating, and are probably the only outfit worldwide with the available spare parts to do such work. (Correct me if I am wrong, Jeff.) If reports are all true, they do an excellent job at it as well - they must do if they offer a (2 year?) guarantee for work undertaken! Who else would be prepared to offer a 2 year guarantee for serving/repairing of ANY kind of hi fi the age of even the youngest of Nak cassette machines? I believe ESL are even capable of renovating a ZXL1000 - right Jeff? I recall this was offered to our old member, Carlos "The Tape Man" after even Mr Sank was unable to "Sanktify" Carlos's ZXL1000 and get it running. (Pity Carlos or his ZXL are not around here now!) Cost you an arm and a leg, which is why Carlos ducked out of the offer and virtually gave away his ZXL1000. Graham But how many other engineers could do work on a machine such that it is as good - if not better - than new, and offer a guarantee? Even B&W in the UK, and who now cover Europe, is limited to the types of machines they can service and a ZXL1000 isn't one of them - they just don't have the spare parts required for the job. I don't know if they would be prepared/interested in renovation work anyway. Other engineers are more set up to repair and service, and their costs will vary from those of ESL accordingly. But I doubt if any are able to find the parts to do complete renovations like ESL. Renovation, of course, requires time to do properly. So, it will also cost. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re:Speedy Techs For US Nak collectors, the solution is simple-Willy or *andy* here. If you think ESL is too high (and I do), you can get the high level of work you need from either of the above mentioned techs. Not only that, but their turnaround time should please everyone but the most persnickety whiner. International shipping has become its own quagmire, unfortunately and I'm not sure there is any solution there. Kevin From 686023451 at movistar.es Mon Aug 18 00:29:49 2008 From: 686023451 at movistar.es (686023451 at movistar.es) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:29:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] =?utf-8?q?Dragon_ajustes_en_grabaci=C3=B3n=2E?= Message-ID: <19191389.127431219004998252.JavaMail.seven@am0.p1.uk.7sys.net> Hola, resido en España y me gustaría que los miembros que hablen mi idioma me ayudaran a sacar el mayor partido a las grabaciones y tambien si pueden darme algúna dirección para adquirir la bombilla del compartimento donde se aloja la cassette e ilumina el mismo y si lo puede cambiar uno mismo o lo tiene que cambiar alguien especializado. Gracias. From jeff at eslabs.com Sun Aug 17 22:49:48 2008 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:49:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Speedy Techs References: <200808161001.m7GA0oL2017777@zxe.naks.com><883688.38728.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <012701c900a4$f601cf00$e2056d00$@com> Message-ID: <5FBDC075221A4CF89E15484BB44459FC@ESLABSemail> Hi Graham, Although I'm against self advertising on this hobby forum, since I was asked directly, you are mostly correct. Although our expert reputation could get tarnished, if someone just wants the complaint fixed and is not asking for an estimate for other service, we will do it promptly. Our 2 year warranty will still apply for the parts installed and the service performed. Take my advice and never make your hobby your job. Electronics Service Labs is my full time job. What a fool I am, I could have been earning a good living, with retirement, working as an Electrical Engineer. It's too late now at 55! I'll be doing this for many years to come. We don't profess to be at all speedy or cheap, we just profess to be the best. "We" means me and my staff. I could not do this alone. A sincere thanks to all of my customers, Naktalkers and Wouter for making this forum possible! Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham A Nelson To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:Speedy Techs Kevin Before writing off ESL as expensive, you have to realise they are not too interested in "mere" repairs or servicing. ESL seem to prefer renovating, and are probably the only outfit worldwide with the available spare parts to do such work. (Correct me if I am wrong, Jeff.) If reports are all true, they do an excellent job at it as well - they must do if they offer a (2 year?) guarantee for work undertaken! Who else would be prepared to offer a 2 year guarantee for serving/repairing of ANY kind of hi fi the age of even the youngest of Nak cassette machines? I believe ESL are even capable of renovating a ZXL1000 - right Jeff? I recall this was offered to our old member, Carlos "The Tape Man" after even Mr Sank was unable to "Sanktify" Carlos's ZXL1000 and get it running. (Pity Carlos or his ZXL are not around here now!) Cost you an arm and a leg, which is why Carlos ducked out of the offer and virtually gave away his ZXL1000. Graham But how many other engineers could do work on a machine such that it is as good - if not better - than new, and offer a guarantee? Even B&W in the UK, and who now cover Europe, is limited to the types of machines they can service and a ZXL1000 isn't one of them - they just don't have the spare parts required for the job. I don't know if they would be prepared/interested in renovation work anyway. Other engineers are more set up to repair and service, and their costs will vary from those of ESL accordingly. But I doubt if any are able to find the parts to do complete renovations like ESL. Renovation, of course, requires time to do properly. So, it will also cost. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re:Speedy Techs For US Nak collectors, the solution is simple-Willy or *andy* here. If you think ESL is too high (and I do), you can get the high level of work you need from either of the above mentioned techs. Not only that, but their turnaround time should please everyone but the most persnickety whiner. International shipping has become its own quagmire, unfortunately and I'm not sure there is any solution there. Kevin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Aug 17 21:33:42 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:33:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Control motor problems In-Reply-To: <8CACE7761A866D1-130-1265@WEBMAIL-MC07.sysops.aol.com> References: <330626053@web.de> <8CACE7761A866D1-130-1265@WEBMAIL-MC07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910808171233i167fa169q235a8414eb41b5df@mail.gmail.com> Hi Anthony, Here's a link: http://www.vintagecassette.com/naksarticle.jsp?article=77171 Cheers, Antoine 2008/8/17 : > I have a bad spot in my control motor. The tape stops and nothing works > until I push the cam wheel and it's back to normal for awhile. How hard is > it to take one out and clean? I've never done this before and don't know > what to expect. > > Thanks, > > Anthony From james.brodsky at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 22:26:57 2008 From: james.brodsky at gmail.com (James Brodsky) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:26:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Control motor problems In-Reply-To: <8CACE7761A866D1-130-1265@WEBMAIL-MC07.sysops.aol.com> References: <330626053@web.de> <8CACE7761A866D1-130-1265@WEBMAIL-MC07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <211ca5a30808171326i322dd00emf6367a2b5c959d9a@mail.gmail.com> I don't know which deck you are referring to, but I recently had an excellent experience repairing the control motor in my Sankyo-based-transport BX-100. The motor seemed to have a "dead" spot that caused the transport buttons to try and do "everything at once." I found Andy's excellent writeup on how to resolve Sankyo-transport control motor issues on a CR-7: http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_control_motor.html Basically following those instructions I was able to remove the motor, run it for 20 minutes in both directions off a 9-volt battery, and replace the motor. The whole repair took maybe 90 minutes. I could not find DeOxit in my impatience to clean internal corrosion from the commutator and brushes and leaf switches, but the "Precision Electronics Cleaner" sold at RadioShack seemed to work just fine instead. I also re-greased the control cam with a very small amount of full-synthetic bicycle grease, and the BX-100 has operated perfectly ever since. -jb On 8/17/08, badanth at aim.com wrote: > I have a bad spot in my control motor. The tape stops and nothing works > until I push the cam wheel and it's back to normal for awhile. How hard is > it to take one out and clean? I've never done this before and don't know > what to expect. > > Thanks, > > Anthony > > > ________________________________ > It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that make > the grade on AOL Shopping. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Aug 17 21:36:44 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:36:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ebay In-Reply-To: <359898.83986.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <081620081457.17954.48A6EAD4000717B90000462222230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> <359898.83986.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080817193643.ZRMB4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> I wrote to eBay for the very same reason. THEY opted me in and I cannot get out of it. The "Try the new eBay Beta" option is available on My eBay page so one would think that I'm not in the Beta program but I am. I have the same complaints as you and Beta is NOT user friendly nor is it even close to working correctly. Of course, eBay has no intelligent people working the customer service area. I was told simply to 'opt out' of the Beta program. Arghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! , At 02:45 PM 8/16/2008, you wrote: >I wrote and complained to ebay when I couldn't get out of Beta. I >was told some people were in Beta and could opt out (including me) >while others didn't get the opt out options. I then checked and >there was an opt out button. I've been put back in beta and >sometimes I can't get out right away. I was pointed at: > > >You can find the My eBay discussion board here: > http://forums.ebay.com/db2/forum.jspa?forumID=73 Roland From sandie.blonskie at verizon.net Sun Aug 17 22:29:51 2008 From: sandie.blonskie at verizon.net (SANDRA NJIBE) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:29:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Iddler Spin Issue Message-ID: <94550A9509A04C11A1D2FA6777342FB3@JABLONMOBILEPC> I don't know if anyone saw my first posting regarding this problem. I did not get any definitive resolution so here it is again. I originally thought I had an iddler rubber issue. In the process of changing the rubber I discovered that the Iddler motor was only spinning intermittently. When I press play the iddler would make contact with the tape transport mechanism, spin for a second or so and then return to the center. It repeats this process continuously until I press stop. I don't know if this is also significant but I don't hear or see the play head mechanism being engaged, ONLY THE IDDLER MOTOR SPINNING INTERMITTENTLY. THE TAPE HEADS DO NOT ENGAGE. Any help would be appreciated. ENOUGH ON THE UPS GUYS, LETS TALK ABOUT REAL STUFF FOR A MOMENT!!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Aug 18 02:11:10 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:11:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ebay In-Reply-To: <20080817193643.ZRMB4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> References: <081620081457.17954.48A6EAD4000717B90000462222230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> <359898.83986.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20080817193643.ZRMB4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <028401c900c6$ec67ccc0$c5376640$@com> Oddly enough, they seem to have opted me in AND out of the Beta at their will. (I'm not sure now if I'm back in or out ... ) I had no say in the matter ... It seems all those books, cassette and video course on "good customer service" fell on deaf ears ... -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:37 PM To: fripp_em at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay I wrote to eBay for the very same reason. THEY opted me in and I cannot get out of it. The "Try the new eBay Beta" option is available on My eBay page so one would think that I'm not in the Beta program but I am. I have the same complaints as you and Beta is NOT user friendly nor is it even close to working correctly. Of course, eBay has no intelligent people working the customer service area. I was told simply to 'opt out' of the Beta program. Arghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From badanth at aim.com Mon Aug 18 01:15:30 2008 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:15:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Control motor problems In-Reply-To: <211ca5a30808171326i322dd00emf6367a2b5c959d9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <330626053@web.de> <8CACE7761A866D1-130-1265@WEBMAIL-MC07.sysops.aol.com> <211ca5a30808171326i322dd00emf6367a2b5c959d9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CACED646B106C7-288-6CF@WEBMAIL-DG10.sim.aol.com> Thank you very much guys! I'll give her a whack maybe this week. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: James Brodsky To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Control motor problems I don't know which deck you are referring to, but I recently had an excellent experience repairing the control motor in my Sankyo-based-transport BX-100. The motor seemed to have a "dead" spot that caused the transport buttons to try and do "everything at once." I found Andy's excellent writeup on how to resolve Sankyo-transport control motor issues on a CR-7: http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_control_motor.html Basically following those instructions I was able to remove the motor, run it for 20 minutes in both directions off a 9-volt battery, and replace the motor. The whole repair took maybe 90 minutes. I could not find DeOxit in my impatience to clean internal corrosion from the commutator and brushes and leaf switches, but the "Precision Electronics Cleaner" sold at RadioShack seemed to work just fine instead. I also re-greased the control cam with a very small amount of full-synthetic bicycle grease, and the BX-100 has operated perfectly ever since. -jb On 8/17/08, badanth at aim.com wrote: > I have a bad spot in my control motor. The tape stops and nothing works > until I push the cam wheel and it's back to normal for awhile. How hard is > it to take one out and clean? I've never done this before and don't know > what to expect. > > Thanks, > > Anthony > > > ________________________________ > It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that make > the grade on AOL Shopping. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========------------------------------- --------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 00:48:02 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: subject line Plus In-Reply-To: <984633.51603.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <504480.61063.qm@web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I don't remember that accusation, and if I did, I wouldn't have repeated it on any mail list - even to point out how wrong it was to make it. People need to be warned when a tech has lost the ability to get decks returned to the owner. If it is a one or two time thing, then the tech can clear it up! It doesn't matter how talented the tech is if he can't get people their deck backs. Period! There is no need to make up stories and no one was doing that here. On our list of techs (if Naktalk ever does one) I would want to know 1) is the person a trained certified Nakamichi tech (NOT a hobbyist), 2) did they run a certified Nakamichi repair facility, and 3) do they have a set of Nakamichi gauges etc. to work with? Beyond that, if people can't get their decks back and the tech hides behind an answering machine, then potential customers need to know that. It's the way the market can actually work. I know Willy and Tom (and John Gipps) were Nak trained and certified. I'm not sure if anyone else is on this list who is. Right now I use Willy and I am lucky that he is close. If Jeff hadn't pointed me a Willy, I'd probably be using Tom or ESL. David --- On Sun, 8/17/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: > From: Kevin Fetner > Subject: [naktalk] Re: subject line Plus > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 5:54 AM > Sometime back, a member here posted that he 'heard' > Stephen Sank was dying of AIDS (because of Sank's > seemingly public absence). I think that was the most > demeaning, slanderous thing said here since I've been a > member. It was to imply, of course, that he is gay-not a > shared needle user, recipient of bad blood or unlucky with > his choice in women. I found that accusation vile, > personally insulting and I don't even know Stephen. > > Definitely, we need to clean up some of the wild finger > pointing that has no or little basis in fact, as it > wrongfully hurts those involved. > > Kevin > > > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:21:35 +0100 > From: "Graham A Nelson" > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] subject line Plus > To: , "'Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > Message-ID: <06a401c8ff9a$a15a8650$e40f92f0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Quite right, too, David. > > Incidentally, while trawling the web for a photo I saw just > the other month > of Stephen Sank, I noticed other negative comments arising > in a handful of > other lists. But I also saw recent praise for him and note > he is doing all > the mic and amp work for proaudioheaven. It seems strange > that he currently > enjoys a good reputation in one place and not in another. > May with Stephen > it is ALSO a case that working on Nak's is a hobby, but > it would be nice to > know! Incidentally, I believe it is possible to contact > him through their > on-line "contact" form. > > Graham > From fripp_em at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 00:51:08 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ebay In-Reply-To: <20080817193643.ZRMB4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <64568.6317.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sometimes I can find the opt out and sometimes I can not. Perhaps it is only on the lower part of the myebay page. If you are in the opt out group it is there somewhere (sometimes). David --- On Sun, 8/17/08, Roland wrote: > From: Roland > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay > To: fripp_em at yahoo.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 12:36 PM > I wrote to eBay for the very same reason. THEY opted me in > and I > cannot get out of it. The "Try the new eBay > Beta" option is > available on My eBay page so one would think that I'm > not in the Beta > program but I am. > > I have the same complaints as you and Beta is NOT user > friendly nor > is it even close to working correctly. > > Of course, eBay has no intelligent people working the > customer > service area. I was told simply to 'opt out' of > the Beta > program. Arghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > From jeff at eslabs.com Mon Aug 18 00:41:48 2008 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:41:48 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_=5Bnaktalk=5D_Dragon_ajustes_en_?= =?utf-8?Q?grabaci=C3=B3n.?= References: <19191389.127431219004998252.JavaMail.seven@am0.p1.uk.7sys.net> Message-ID: <114EA6357ACB48D9ACBED05E3D0C0EFF@ESLABSemail> This person is from Spain and needs instruction, in Spanish, on how to acquire and replace the cassette well lamp for his Dragon. Can anyone help him? I don't speak Spanish well enough. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: 686023451 at movistar.es To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 6:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon ajustes en grabación. Hola, resido en España y me gustaría que los miembros que hablen mi idioma me ayudaran a sacar el mayor partido a las grabaciones y tambien si pueden darme algúna dirección para adquirir la bombilla del compartimento donde se aloja la cassette e ilumina el mismo y si lo puede cambiar uno mismo o lo tiene que cambiar alguien especializado. Gracias. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Mon Aug 18 02:24:51 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:24:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Speedy Techs In-Reply-To: <5FBDC075221A4CF89E15484BB44459FC@ESLABSemail> Message-ID: <48a8c0e6.14b48c0a.1294.2502@mx.google.com> Jeff and all, I can second what Jeff is saying. In the 35 years I ran a service department as part of a high end audio shop we never made money. We always considered the service department as a necessary part of being a truly high end shop. I retired (at 57) on the profits of the retail side and now have the luxury of doing the service work I always loved without having to live on the proceeds.. I'm please (and surprised) that Jeff is actually making a living at all doing what he's doing. It's certainly good for all of us that the services provided by ESL are available! Keep it up! Willy Hermann _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jeff at eslabs.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:50 PM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Speedy Techs Hi Graham, Although I'm against self advertising on this hobby forum, since I was asked directly, you are mostly correct. Although our expert reputation could get tarnished, if someone just wants the complaint fixed and is not asking for an estimate for other service, we will do it promptly. Our 2 year warranty will still apply for the parts installed and the service performed. Take my advice and never make your hobby your job. Electronics Service Labs is my full time job. What a fool I am, I could have been earning a good living, with retirement, working as an Electrical Engineer. It's too late now at 55! I'll be doing this for many years to come. We don't profess to be at all speedy or cheap, we just profess to be the best. "We" means me and my staff. I could not do this alone. A sincere thanks to all of my customers, Naktalkers and Wouter for making this forum possible! Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham A Nelson To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:Speedy Techs Kevin Before writing off ESL as expensive, you have to realise they are not too interested in "mere" repairs or servicing. ESL seem to prefer renovating, and are probably the only outfit worldwide with the available spare parts to do such work. (Correct me if I am wrong, Jeff.) If reports are all true, they do an excellent job at it as well - they must do if they offer a (2 year?) guarantee for work undertaken! Who else would be prepared to offer a 2 year guarantee for serving/repairing of ANY kind of hi fi the age of even the youngest of Nak cassette machines? I believe ESL are even capable of renovating a ZXL1000 - right Jeff? I recall this was offered to our old member, Carlos "The Tape Man" after even Mr Sank was unable to "Sanktify" Carlos's ZXL1000 and get it running. (Pity Carlos or his ZXL are not around here now!) Cost you an arm and a leg, which is why Carlos ducked out of the offer and virtually gave away his ZXL1000. Graham But how many other engineers could do work on a machine such that it is as good - if not better - than new, and offer a guarantee? Even B&W in the UK, and who now cover Europe, is limited to the types of machines they can service and a ZXL1000 isn't one of them - they just don't have the spare parts required for the job. I don't know if they would be prepared/interested in renovation work anyway. Other engineers are more set up to repair and service, and their costs will vary from those of ESL accordingly. But I doubt if any are able to find the parts to do complete renovations like ESL. Renovation, of course, requires time to do properly. So, it will also cost. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re:Speedy Techs For US Nak collectors, the solution is simple-Willy or *andy* here. If you think ESL is too high (and I do), you can get the high level of work you need from either of the above mentioned techs. Not only that, but their turnaround time should please everyone but the most persnickety whiner. International shipping has become its own quagmire, unfortunately and I'm not sure there is any solution there. Kevin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Aug 18 12:32:43 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:32:43 +0200 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[naktalk]_Dragon_ajustes_en_grabaci=F3n.?= In-Reply-To: <114EA6357ACB48D9ACBED05E3D0C0EFF@ESLABSemail> References: <19191389.127431219004998252.JavaMail.seven@am0.p1.uk.7sys.net> <114EA6357ACB48D9ACBED05E3D0C0EFF@ESLABSemail> Message-ID: <1B4AC262-A020-4578-8EFE-F6F04408C9BE@peromarta.org> I'll handle it. rgds, LP. El 18/08/2008, a las 0:41, jeff at eslabs.com escribió: This person is from Spain and needs instruction, in Spanish, on how to acquire and replace the cassette well lamp for his Dragon. Can anyone help him? I don't speak Spanish well enough. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: 686023451 at movistar.es To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 6:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon ajustes en grabación. Hola, resido en España y me gustaría que los miembros que hablen mi idioma me ayudaran a sacar el mayor partido a las grabaciones y tambien si pueden darme algúna dirección para adquirir la bombilla del compartimento donde se aloja la cassette e ilumina el mismo y si lo puede cambiar uno mismo o lo tiene que cambiar alguien especializado. Gracias. ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= From cestmoi at att.net Mon Aug 18 15:29:45 2008 From: cestmoi at att.net (Richard Obenauf) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:29:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Voluntary Code of Ethics In-Reply-To: <200808181001.m7IA1ajZ006590@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <081820081329.4847.48A97948000C0F78000012EF22243323629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0701039B9C0A0C@att.net> I have been thinking about how this might work since Thursday when Tom first suggested "a voluntary code of ethics," since most of the rumors that I have read in the last five years or so on this group had to do not with politics or electronics but with potentially libelous rumors against technicians. I agree with Tom, Graham, and the others who want to bring this nonsense to an end. I like the idea in principle, especially the description of each tech's capabilities, training, specialties, and, most importantly, his other obligations. To me, that would be the best step in helping new clients have more reasonable expectations before sending equipment away to some stranger. My guess is 90% of the "disputes" on this list could be resolved off-list by satisfied clients who can offer reassurance that two years sometimes really is a normal turnaround time, for example. I have serious reservations about sponsoring a technician, however, in the way Tom has just described. For instance, I have been a client and friend of one well-known Nak tech for several years. I have purchased equipment from him, from microphones and preamplifiers to CD players and Nakamichi tape decks, much of which he modified or upgraded for me. Sometimes it took a very long time, but he has always made good on his promises. I talked with him just last month after my cat broke a speaker; thanks to this tech, I had a replacement woofer within a week. Thus I know this technician well and I am willing to vouch for his work and for his integrity. But I am not his business associate. Asking members of this list to act as a quaisi-legal representative of their favored technicians would be unfair to clients, and it would be unfair to the technicians, and it could be unfair to the entire group. Nevertheless, I like the idea that satisfied (and perhaps dissatisfied) clients could be listed as references prospective new clients could contact - off-list - to hear about our experiences with a particular technician, and what we think they can expect from him. But I think it is unreasonable to ask us (barely strangers) to intervene on their behalf. I think most of us would even be happy to field questions about the progress of the repair (e.g., "It's been six months and he's not responding to my emails...") so long as the tech (or the entire list) isn't included in that discussion. Thus, it seems to me the first dispute level would be contacting the vendor, the second level would be contacting 2 members (whose action is yet to be determined), the third level would be to post to the whole list (but only with the recommendation of the two "sponsors," and without naming names), the fourth step would be to contact police or other authorities (and to become listed as a reference for that technician), and the fifth step would be to post the name of the tech and allegations of theft/fraud/etc. to the entire list. In sum, I like the sponsor idea, but I think it needs some work. Rather than asking members to become backdoor business associates for vendors, I think we need to find a way to make sure our technicians (who are, at least in my experience, some of the most honest and helpful people I have ever had the pleasure to know) are assumed innocent until proven guilty. By helping people take things slowly and reminding them of reasonable expectations for Nak repairs, we can avoid accusations and rumors that can needlessly damage a good reputation. Richard -------------- Original message from naktalk-request at naks.com: -------------- > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:42:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Making Accusations of Crime is serious, not > just a throwaway line. > > In some of the negative posts I read I can't help but believe the issues are > failure to please the buyer's expectations. RAM's description of Kannan's > "disclaimer" seems to be one element of a NakTalk solution. I'm also thinking > certain members could "sponsor" a vendor or servicer, and look into problems > much as a mediator would. An Ethics Code might include a stepwise procedure for > disputes. > It might work like this: > 'Wilbur Backtension is a Nakamichi trained technician. Retired and living > in St. Louis, USA, he specializes in orange capacitor upgrades for the 480 > series Nakamichi decks. His schedule allows 5 hours a day for repair projects. > Wilbur is recommended by Naktalk members Jeffrie Hybias and Rubbert Idler. For > any issues concerning Wilbur's performance, cc: Jeffrie and Rubbert for > assistance.' > > My idea is the first dispute level is contacting the vendor, second level > contacting vendor and 2 additional members, and 3rd level post to the whole > list. > > Sponsor members could be simple volunteers, past customers of the vendor, or > associates. The key is maintaining communication pathways. Sponsors would be > privvy to "back door " contact numbers and addresses. > > tom brucker > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Mon Aug 18 13:47:16 2008 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:47:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] :Speedy Techs In-Reply-To: <48a8c0e6.14b48c0a.1294.2502@mx.google.com> References: <5FBDC075221A4CF89E15484BB44459FC@ESLABSemail> <48a8c0e6.14b48c0a.1294.2502@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD42A2C93C14E@mail.mmsav.com> Hello to all, I can truly understand what Willy and Jeff are saying. I also managed service departments at Hi-End stores from 1979 through 2000. The service departments were always run as a necessity to having a high-end audio store. I left my love in 2000 and now work in the commercial A/V industry. Too many years with poor health insurance and no retirement. I still touch base with and help out many of my old customers. My wife and I do miss the "club like" atmosphere of the high-end retail store. Doug Guth, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 ________________________________ From: WillyHerm [mailto:willyherm at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:25 PM To: jeff at eslabs.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:Speedy Techs Jeff and all, I can second what Jeff is saying. In the 35 years I ran a service department as part of a high end audio shop we never made money. We always considered the service department as a necessary part of being a truly high end shop. I retired (at 57) on the profits of the retail side and now have the luxury of doing the service work I always loved without having to live on the proceeds.. I'm please (and surprised) that Jeff is actually making a living at all doing what he's doing. It's certainly good for all of us that the services provided by ESL are available! Keep it up! Willy Hermann ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of jeff at eslabs.com Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:50 PM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Speedy Techs Hi Graham, Although I'm against self advertising on this hobby forum, since I was asked directly, you are mostly correct. Although our expert reputation could get tarnished, if someone just wants the complaint fixed and is not asking for an estimate for other service, we will do it promptly. Our 2 year warranty will still apply for the parts installed and the service performed. Take my advice and never make your hobby your job. Electronics Service Labs is my full time job. What a fool I am, I could have been earning a good living, with retirement, working as an Electrical Engineer. It's too late now at 55! I'll be doing this for many years to come. We don't profess to be at all speedy or cheap, we just profess to be the best. "We" means me and my staff. I could not do this alone. A sincere thanks to all of my customers, Naktalkers and Wouter for making this forum possible! Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham A Nelson To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re:Speedy Techs Kevin Before writing off ESL as expensive, you have to realise they are not too interested in "mere" repairs or servicing. ESL seem to prefer renovating, and are probably the only outfit worldwide with the available spare parts to do such work. (Correct me if I am wrong, Jeff.) If reports are all true, they do an excellent job at it as well - they must do if they offer a (2 year?) guarantee for work undertaken! Who else would be prepared to offer a 2 year guarantee for serving/repairing of ANY kind of hi fi the age of even the youngest of Nak cassette machines? I believe ESL are even capable of renovating a ZXL1000 - right Jeff? I recall this was offered to our old member, Carlos "The Tape Man" after even Mr Sank was unable to "Sanktify" Carlos's ZXL1000 and get it running. (Pity Carlos or his ZXL are not around here now!) Cost you an arm and a leg, which is why Carlos ducked out of the offer and virtually gave away his ZXL1000. Graham But how many other engineers could do work on a machine such that it is as good - if not better - than new, and offer a guarantee? Even B&W in the UK, and who now cover Europe, is limited to the types of machines they can service and a ZXL1000 isn't one of them - they just don't have the spare parts required for the job. I don't know if they would be prepared/interested in renovation work anyway. Other engineers are more set up to repair and service, and their costs will vary from those of ESL accordingly. But I doubt if any are able to find the parts to do complete renovations like ESL. Renovation, of course, requires time to do properly. So, it will also cost. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re:Speedy Techs For US Nak collectors, the solution is simple-Willy or *andy* here. If you think ESL is too high (and I do), you can get the high level of work you need from either of the above mentioned techs. Not only that, but their turnaround time should please everyone but the most persnickety whiner. International shipping has become its own quagmire, unfortunately and I'm not sure there is any solution there. 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Thanks http://pictures.kyozou.com/pictures/_7/6419/6418694.jpg -- From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 18 16:15:37 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:15:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Iddler Spin Issue Message-ID: <27757291.1219068937757.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 18 16:25:34 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:25:34 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] What do you clean your heads with? Message-ID: <20471721.1219069534687.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Professional audio tape path cleaning fluid S-721H from "American Recorder Technologies". 1-800-777-9580 http://www.americanrecorder.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=108 Larger bottle of S-721H http://www.americanrecorder.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=188 Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ------------------------------------------------------- ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, include this e-mail within your reply. ------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What do you clean your heads with? I believe Interclean has been discontinued over 10 years. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: boogie Sent: Aug 17, 2008 12:19 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] What do you clean your heads with? For the longest while I have used Intraclean 7-11 solution for both heads and rubber on my Nak decks. However, my stock is coming to an end. Does anyone know if they still make this solution OR should I try something else? I like to stick by what works but I am open to suggestions. I started using the Intraclean formulation in the mid 1980's when it was recommended by the then service manager of Nak USA. Cheers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Aug 18 20:18:45 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:18:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Voluntary Code of Ethics Message-ID: <59AFFCA8-F5DC-44E4-844E-0CB1DA3412D5@alumni.caltech.edu> My 2 cents: To me it seems like most of the issues could be resolved by (1) more appropriate expectations, (2) better communication. Even (1) is perhaps sort of a subset of (2) at the beginning. I think all to often (speaking mostly for myself) I get frustrated that I have to take something in, then, since I have to go through all that hassle, I expect a lot for the effort, which may be OK, but I forget that that might take a lot of time more effort than it takes to fix the initial problems. As far as (2): The two things that are most frustrating to me (and I'm guessing most) are: 1. Not knowing at all what's going on (can't contact the tech) 2. Constantly getting delay excuses (especially when it SEEMS the tech IS working on other things, like selling to others) Conversely, as a system administrator I know one of the most frustrating things when something unexpected happens is having 50 people asking you all at once what happened and when the service will be fixed. What has usually worked for me (when I was on the customer end) is when there is what appears to be at least a reliable "screen" in place. This is sort of the vouch thing, but a little different. In my case (as a customer) I had a somewhat tempermental tech (whom I unfortunately ended up having get angry at me for trying to give him helpful suggestions from someone on this list) who was reasonably good and had the tools, I believe was Nak-trained, but was no longer doing it full time; was in fact mostly doing it (I think) to support some other business venture he was trying to start up in Japan. However, he was working under the auspices of the local shop, so the deck was always there (i.e. I probably could have physically retrieved it, if only in pieces) and they more or less knew what was going on with him and knew that his habits of showing up irregularly were not new. And I assume someone would occasionally pressure him, but it was someone he'd learned to deal with. In the case of my job, we like to have someone sort of act as the designated contact in those situations that occur occasionally (not necessarily always the same person…just not the person doing the actual work) who understands enough that it doesn't take forever for the person doing the work to explain what needs to be done, what they know, and what they don't, and the screener kind of uses that information to formulate an appropriate response. The screener also is around enough to know who when a break occurs and they can get an update. Now in the first case, the shop was a legal entity and so forth, but even without that, it was nice to know that there WAS someone I could call to at least tell me yes, he went to Japan, he's sort of expected back in a week, but it might be longer, and call back later, etc. Nak service is complicated by great distances and even differing cultures, as well as different legal systems. I agree with Richard that whoever "vouches" for someone should have their opinion just be taken as a well-informed opinion and not legal advice. However, rather than just vouching, what would be nice is if each tech had some semi-regular Nak customer, preferably semi- local to them, that both they would be willing to talk to when something unexpected happens in their life (and could be on at least the "medium short" list of people that would be contacted by family or whoever would know), like a car accident or something, and that they would be willing to field an explanation on particular cases on a "reasonable" basis. These people should feel comfortable that they can get get in contact with the tech on reasonably short notice and get back to the customer in a "reasonable" length of time. They should also be someone trusted enough both by the community and the customer (assuming he uses their services) to know when or when not to post something on the list. In exchange their word should be trusted enough that the community can believe them if they say "now's not a good time to bug so-and-so about…I will try to do so as soon as it seems reasonable). This is probably a tall bill to fill. I, for example, couldn't really vouch for any of these people, not because I think poorly of them, but because I haven't really used them professionally and have no "cred" for them. And it would be somewhat demanding on time, of course, so some amount of setting of expectations up front should be clearly spelled out before anyone undertakes this role, as well as to anyone who uses the service. And, as mentioned earlier, it should be clear that this is a "best effort" thing on the part of the mediator person, not a legal responsibility. If it's even possible for it to be categorized that way. I do not suggest that a customer HAS to decide to use this "service" from the beginning…clearly it should be possible to call them in, albeit with all the stipulations above, in mid-stream, and if they feel the customer or tech is being unreasonable, they should be able to pull out, but they should agree to at least notify the persons involved in anything they're corrently monitoring as to the fact that they are leaving the situation, and hopefully why they are leaving, at least the particular case.-kby From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Aug 18 20:20:09 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:20:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Picture of Nak Soundspace 8 connect cord Femaple plug-Help ID In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A9BD59.4040904@yahoo.ca> If you want to build one, you could use a connector like this one from Mouser : http://www.url-press.com/?b75521 And I believe that this website has the service manual for the SoundSpace 8 if you need the pinout : http://www.url-press.com/?0bc42c Is it the same plug on both units? Antoine jerryjg a écrit : > I have a Nakamichi Soundspace 8 mini-system and I have not been able > to determine what kind of connection cord I need for it between the > control unit and the subwoofer.It is missing this cord. > The new Nakamichi parts joker never called me back, so I'm trying to > find out if someone here can take a look at the picture of this female > plug and tell me waht type of cord I need. I might try ESL labs but > thought Id try herere first. Thanks > > http://pictures.kyozou.com/pictures/_7/6419/6418694.jpg > From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Aug 18 20:33:49 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:33:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What do you clean your heads with? In-Reply-To: References: <20471721.1219069534687.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080818183409.VDGW2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Jeff, Thanks for bring up this link on the cleaner. I've been racking my brain trying to think of this product. I'll assume that it's just fine for all type of heads including R-T-R. Ordering right now. At 02:02 PM 8/18/2008, you wrote: > >Hi Tom, > >Although it's now a different chemical and ozone >safe, it's still the best available. > >Professional audio tape path cleaning fluid S-721H >from "American Recorder Technologies". 1-800-777-9580 >http://www.americanrecorder.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=108 > >Larger bottle of S-721H >http://www.americanrecorder.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=188 > > >Sincerely, >Jeff Galin > >"Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! >ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS >1807 Berlin Turnpike >Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA >By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST >VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > jeff at nakamichi.us > jeff at eslabs.com > www.nakamichi.us >------------------------------------------------------- >** NOTE ** To ensure my response, >include this e-mail within your reply. >------------------------------------------------------- >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tom Brucker >To: Talk about >Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] What do you clean your heads with? > >I believe Interclean has been discontinued over 10 years. > > > >tom brucker > > >-----Original Message----- >From: boogie >Sent: Aug 17, 2008 12:19 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] What do you clean your heads with? > >For the longest while I have used Intraclean >7-11 solution for both heads and rubber on my >Nak decks. However, my stock is coming to an >end. Does anyone know if they still make this >solution OR should I try something else? I like >to stick by what works but I am open to >suggestions. I started using the Intraclean >formulation in the mid 1980's when it was >recommended by the then service manager of Nak USA. > >Cheers > > >---------- > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 > >---------- >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garry at saundersfamily1.com Mon Aug 18 21:28:46 2008 From: garry at saundersfamily1.com (Garry Saunders) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:28:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] What do you clean your heads with? In-Reply-To: <20080818183409.VDGW2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <551A2621F44245369A846C3D20ADD71C@GARRYESAUNDER> I've always used Isopropyl alcohol which I bought from a chemist many years ago. I bought a large bottle and I reckon I'll be leaving it in my will!!! Garry -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: 18 August 2008 19:34 To: jeff at eslabs.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] What do you clean your heads with? Jeff, Thanks for bring up this link on the cleaner. I've been racking my brain trying to think of this product. I'll assume that it's just fine for all type of heads including R-T-R. Ordering right now. At 02:02 PM 8/18/2008, you wrote:  Hi Tom, Although it's now a different chemical and ozone safe, it's still the best available. Professional audio tape path cleaning fluid S-721H from "American Recorder Technologies". 1-800-777-9580 http://www.americanrecorder.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=108 Larger bottle of S-721H http://www.americanrecorder.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=188 Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ------------------------------------------------------- ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, include this e-mail within your reply. ------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What do you clean your heads with? I believe Interclean has been discontinued over 10 years. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: boogie Sent: Aug 17, 2008 12:19 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] What do you clean your heads with? For the longest while I have used Intraclean 7-11 solution for both heads and rubber on my Nak decks. However, my stock is coming to an end. Does anyone know if they still make this solution OR should I try something else? I like to stick by what works but I am open to suggestions. I started using the Intraclean formulation in the mid 1980's when it was recommended by the then service manager of Nak USA. Cheers _____ Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 18 21:39:46 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:39:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Picture of Nak Soundspace 8 connect cord Femaple plug-Help ID Message-ID: <24759505.1219088386202.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Jerry, that soundspace system is the new Nakamichi, which is Nak in name only. ESL will not have parts. The connector is call "mini-DIN" I have seen these Soundspace cables offered on eBay. It is possible to buy the connectors and wire and make one. Digi-Key , for example, sells the plugs. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: jerryjg >Sent: Aug 18, 2008 6:36 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Picture of Nak Soundspace 8 connect cord Femaple plug-Help ID > >I have a Nakamichi Soundspace 8 mini-system and I have not been able to >determine what kind of connection cord I need for it between the control >unit and the subwoofer.It is missing this cord. > The new Nakamichi parts joker never called me back, so I'm trying to >find out if someone here can take a look at the picture of this female >plug and tell me waht type of cord I need. I might try ESL labs but >thought Id try herere first. 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URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Aug 19 01:40:20 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:40:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Voluntary Code of Ethics In-Reply-To: <081820081329.4847.48A97948000C0F78000012EF22243323629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0701039B9C0A0C@att.net> References: <200808181001.m7IA1ajZ006590@zxe.naks.com> <081820081329.4847.48A97948000C0F78000012EF22243323629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0701039B9C0A0C@att.net> Message-ID: <06c201c9018b$c88b63f0$59a22bd0$@com> Richard You kept me with you up to the 5th step. I would not be happy for allegations of theft or fraud to be posted unless such crimes had been proved in a Court of Law. I would be comfortable for it to be posted that “Tech A” has been charged by the authorities for theft of fraud, but even then without any assumption of guilt. Innocent until proved guilty is the principle. If anyone would still want to level allegations before any proper conviction (and risk counter allegations of libel or slander, remembering what’s written on this list can’t be unwritten!) that’s their choice… and risk. But I feel it would be unacceptable to do it “publicly” on this List. There are many ways by which members can register their disquiet about the techs they use on this list without wading in with allegations of criminal behaviour. E.g. “Tech A has STILL not returned by deck from x months/years … “ Just saying that is quite enough to alert fellow members not to send their precious decks to the tech. Apart from that, I am persuaded. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Richard Obenauf Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Voluntary Code of Ethics I have been thinking about how this might work since Thursday when Tom first suggested "a voluntary code of ethics," since most of the rumors that I have read in the last five years or so on this group had to do not with politics or electronics but with potentially libelous rumors against technicians. I agree with Tom, Graham, and the others who want to bring this nonsense to an end. I like the idea in principle, especially the description of each tech's capabilities, training, specialties, and, most importantly, his other obligations. To me, that would be the best step in helping new clients have more reasonable expectations before sending equipment away to some stranger. My guess is 90% of the "disputes" on this list could be resolved off-list by satisfied clients who can offer reassurance that two years sometimes really is a normal turnaround time, for example. I have serious reservations about sponsoring a technician, however, in the way Tom has just described. For instance, I have been a client and friend of one well-known Nak tech for several years. I have purchased equipment from him, from microphones and preamplifiers to CD players and Nakamichi tape decks, much of which he modified or upgraded for me. Sometimes it took a very long time, but he has always made good on his promises. I talked with him just last month after my cat broke a speaker; thanks to this tech, I had a replacement woofer within a week. Thus I know this technician well and I am willing to vouch for his work and for his integrity. But I am not his business associate. Asking members of this list to act as a quaisi-legal representative of their favored technicians would be unfair to clients, and it would be unfair to the technicians, and it could be unfair to the entire group. Nevertheless, I like the idea that satisfied (and perhaps dissatisfied) clients could be listed as references prospective new clients could contact - off-list - to hear about our experiences with a particular technician, and what we think they can expect from him. But I think it is unreasonable to ask us (barely strangers) to intervene on their behalf. I think most of us would even be happy to field questions about the progress of the repair (e.g., "It's been six months and he's not responding to my emails...") so long as the tech (or the entire list) isn't included in that discussion. Thus, it seems to me the first dispute level would be contacting the vendor, the second level would be contacting 2 members (whose action is yet to be determined), the third level would be to post to the whole list (but only with the recommendation of the two "sponsors," and without naming names), the fourth step would be to contact police or other authorities (and to become listed as a reference for that technician), and the fifth step would be to post the name of the tech and allegations of theft/fraud/etc. to the entire list. In sum, I like the sponsor idea, but I think it needs some work. Rather than asking members to become backdoor business associates for vendors, I think we need to find a way to make sure our technicians (who are, at least in my experience, some of the most honest and helpful people I have ever had the pleasure to know) are assumed innocent until proven guilty. 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URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 02:25:28 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:25:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Voluntary Code of Ethics In-Reply-To: <06c201c9018b$c88b63f0$59a22bd0$@com> References: <200808181001.m7IA1ajZ006590@zxe.naks.com> <081820081329.4847.48A97948000C0F78000012EF22243323629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0701039B9C0A0C@att.net> <06c201c9018b$c88b63f0$59a22bd0$@com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > Richard > > If anyone would still want to level allegations before any proper conviction > (and risk counter allegations of libel or slander, remembering what's > written on this list can't be unwritten!) that's their choice… and risk. > But I feel it would be unacceptable to do it "publicly" on this List. There > are many ways by which members can register their disquiet about the techs > they use on this list without wading in with allegations of criminal > behaviour. E.g. "Tech A has STILL not returned by deck from x months/years > … " Just saying that is quite enough to alert fellow members not to send > their precious decks to the tech. It largely becomes a matter of semantics between saying what you suggest and saying that the person has stolen the tape deck or is a fraud. Most of the time when someone posts such a message, they're utterly frustrated because the technician has stopped returning messages, answering the phone, etc. and simply want to get the point across that they're unhappy with the technician. They aren't very likely to really think about what the difference in wording amounts too and probably don't really care - the bottom line is that they want their $%$%# tape deck back and they want to alert others that the technician they're having trouble with might be a problem. In most cases, I doubt they mean to slander the technician. The only way to resolve this is by hard handed moderation that sends the message back to the original poster for editing to take out the words "fraud" and "thief". In short, I think most/all of us are smart enough to figure out that these situations haven't been dealt with by the legal system. In many cases they really can't be if only due to logistics - how practical is it for someone in Australia to take a technician in the USA to court? It would cost more in travel than most decks are worth, so it would only be done out of principal. -- Geoffrey Reynolds From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 05:13:00 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 66, Issue 20 In-Reply-To: <200808181003.m7IA1aja006590@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <43033.67698.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Seems to me, that you tried everything in your first posting about John to convince us he was a fraud. Whatever his failings were in not communicating with you about your deck repair, yours was to come in here and insinuate fraudulent repair of said deck. It seems you got it back, double barrel and your time would have been better served ASKING about John here from his many other customers BEFORE you accused him of fraud. Was he speedy in his repairs, no...would I use him, probably not....doesn't mean he's fraudulent, just painfully slow. I have Tandberg R2R now ready after a yr with a tech in Oregon. Even though we sometimes communicated and he recently admits to having 'adult ADD', I would never use him again. Although, the deck should be in magnificent recording/working order, I would never go down that road again. As said, Nak repair is second business or hobby to many tech, so choose wisely. Kevin rom: "Ross Blackman" Subject: [naktalk] (Probably Not) Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Many thanks to all for the responses both on Naktalk and by email. My posting appears to have reached John through some others who read this mailing list, and I have exchanged a few emails with him today. I no longer think he is fraudulent and my sincere apologies to John for suggesting this. Nevertheless, he is certainly very, very slow and when this is combined with very poor customer communication, it can lead to the sorts of frustrations I expressed below. A number of people have contacted me to confirm that John Gipps is quite genuine and an excellent technician. In an email today, he told me that work on the deck is finished and he will shortly send it to me. Of course, it may be some time before I see it, but I am a little more reassured that my ZX-7 is not lost forever and, again, I do apologise to John for suggesting some sinister intent. I appreciate that for many technicians, working on older Naks is a labour of love and is done in spare time. As a result, there can be long delays in returning a serviced deck. I think this is understood, but as a suggestion to the many technicians on this mailing list, it would be a good idea to keep your customers informed from time to time on the status of your work, so that there is no misunderstanding. We know it takes time, but if there is no personal relationship, and there is a failure of communication, customers may jump to the wrong conclusion, as it appears I did. Ross From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 05:27:16 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Speedy Techs In-Reply-To: <200808181003.m7IA1aja006590@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <354399.39090.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Graham, Nothing could be further from the truth. I have said here many times that if cost was no object, go to Jeff at ESL. I'm convinced that there is no better guarantee or work done anywhere. And I understand their philosophy of going through the whole deck and completely restoring it. I never hear anything bad said about ESL, just the end price and really, that's just their way of doing business while ensuring near zero returns. Conversely, I hear 'bad' things about the great Soundsmith frequently (at least with regards to Tandberg). Personally, I think there are more sensible and cheaper options and I posted who can do that. Don't forget that ESL has bought existing OEM stock of Nak parts and with that good foresight, they can now repair decks with only original parts. What I heard was a whole containment unit of Nak parts and donor decks as of yet uncatalogued-maybe Jeff would comment on that one?? Kevin Message: 10 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:08:03 +0100 From: "Graham A Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <012701c900a4$f601cf00$e2056d00$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kevin Before writing off ESL as expensive, you have to realise they are not too interested in "mere" repairs or servicing. ESL seem to prefer renovating, and are probably the only outfit worldwide with the available spare parts to do such work. (Correct me if I am wrong, Jeff.) If reports are all true, they do an excellent job at it as well - they must do if they offer a (2 year?) guarantee for work undertaken! Who else would be prepared to offer a 2 year guarantee for serving/repairing of ANY kind of hi fi the age of even the youngest of Nak cassette machines? I believe ESL are even capable of renovating a ZXL1000 - right Jeff? I recall this was offered to our old member, Carlos "The Tape Man" after even Mr Sank was unable to "Sanktify" Carlos's ZXL1000 and get it running. (Pity Carlos or his ZXL are not around here now!) Cost you an arm and a leg, which is why Carlos ducked out of the offer and virtually gave away his ZXL1000. Graham But how many other engineers could do work on a machine such that it is as good - if not better - than new, and offer a guarantee? Even B&W in the UK, and who now cover Europe, is limited to the types of machines they can service and a ZXL1000 isn't one of them - they just don't have the spare parts required for the job. I don't know if they would be prepared/interested in renovation work anyway. Other engineers are more set up to repair and service, and their costs will vary from those of ESL accordingly. But I doubt if any are able to find the parts to do complete renovations like ESL. Renovation, of course, requires time to do properly. So, it will also cost. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re:Speedy Techs For US Nak collectors, the solution is simple-Willy or *andy* here. If you think ESL is too high (and I do), you can get the high level of work you need from either of the above mentioned techs. Not only that, but their turnaround time should please everyone but the most persnickety whiner. International shipping has become its own quagmire, unfortunately and I'm not sure there is any solution there. Kevin From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 05:41:05 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:RX-202 Iddler Spin Issue In-Reply-To: <200808181003.m7IA1aja006590@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <263705.86948.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Well, the "stuff" we talk about here is varied and not always exactly about deck repair. However, since the repair advice is purely gratis, I would hesitate if I were you, in demanding an answer. The techs here get to pick and choose who they give advice to and since many just come in here, ask a question, get an answer and leave forever, I think the techs have every right to answer (or not) at their discretion. If you get an answer, great, but if I were a tech here, I'd be giving you the silent Bronx Cheer.;-) Kevin Message: 16 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:29:51 -0400 From: "SANDRA NJIBE" Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Iddler Spin Issue To: Message-ID: <94550A9509A04C11A1D2FA6777342FB3 at JABLONMOBILEPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't know if anyone saw my first posting regarding this problem. I did not get any definitive resolution so here it is again. I originally thought I had an iddler rubber issue. In the process of changing the rubber I discovered that the Iddler motor was only spinning intermittently. When I press play the iddler would make contact with the tape transport mechanism, spin for a second or so and then return to the center. It repeats this process continuously until I press stop. I don't know if this is also significant but I don't hear or see the play head mechanism being engaged, ONLY THE IDDLER MOTOR SPINNING INTERMITTENTLY. THE TAPE HEADS DO NOT ENGAGE. Any help would be appreciated. ENOUGH ON THE UPS GUYS, LETS TALK ABOUT REAL STUFF FOR A MOMENT!!!! From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 06:02:14 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: subject line PlusNaktalk In-Reply-To: <200808181003.m7IA1aja006590@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <252774.21325.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Then make up your own list, David. By your criteria, they all have to have Nak gauges, ran a certified Nak repair facility and they're not a hobbyist. So far, that's netted you what, four people? Do you really believe that there are only four people left in the US and Australia that can work competently on Naks?? Wouldn't it make more sense to LISTEN to happy, contented customers here who have nothing but praise for the techs they found? *andy* for example, has painstakingly posted detailed repair procedures for those of us who insist on doing home repair. Seems to me there are lots of ways to get help with Naks, in whatever direction you wish to travel. Kevin Message: 19 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:48:02 -0700 (PDT) From: fripp_em Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: subject line Plus To: naktalk at naks.com, shoeihell at yahoo.com Message-ID: <504480.61063.qm at web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't remember that accusation, and if I did, I wouldn't have repeated it on any mail list - even to point out how wrong it was to make it. People need to be warned when a tech has lost the ability to get decks returned to the owner. If it is a one or two time thing, then the tech can clear it up! It doesn't matter how talented the tech is if he can't get people their deck backs. Period! There is no need to make up stories and no one was doing that here. On our list of techs (if Naktalk ever does one) I would want to know 1) is the person a trained certified Nakamichi tech (NOT a hobbyist), 2) did they run a certified Nakamichi repair facility, and 3) do they have a set of Nakamichi gauges etc. to work with? Beyond that, if people can't get their decks back and the tech hides behind an answering machine, then potential customers need to know that. It's the way the market can actually work. I know Willy and Tom (and John Gipps) were Nak trained and certified. I'm not sure if anyone else is on this list who is. Right now I use Willy and I am lucky that he is close. If Jeff hadn't pointed me a Willy, I'd probably be using Tom or ESL. David From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 06:15:29 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 66, Issue 20 Message-ID: <501910.96076.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message: 19 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:48:02 -0700 (PDT) From: fripp_em Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: subject line Plus To: naktalk at naks.com, shoeihell at yahoo.com Message-ID: <504480.61063.qm at web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "I don't remember that accusation, and if I did, I wouldn't have repeated it on any mail list - even to point out how wrong it was to make it." Well, possibly because you weren't a member here when that statement was made. And if I understand your statement correctly, it's ignorant and high-handed of you to condemn me for repeating it. It was the most aggrieves and harmful posting that I ever saw on naktalk. I think it's HIGHLY relevant in light of exemplifying how wild accusations, rumor and innuendo can damage people who don't even have the opportunity to defend themselves. Kevin From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 19 15:45:12 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:45:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: subject line PlusNaktalk Message-ID: <31743436.1219153512814.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> My suggestions for a Code of Ethics are not ment to be rigid. Kevin is correct that having gauges or training are not requirements. Words like "sponsor" and "endorsed" may have better, less specific alternatives. "ombudsman" and "associate" for example. Two NakTalk ombudsman would volunteer and feel comfortable as council and advocates if servicer/member issues arise. An associate might be someone who has participated on NakTalk for a period of time. I joined NakTalk as a complete unknown only a few years ago. By posting, and later through phone calls, several members have gotten to know more about me. I'm sure several of my phone buddies would read me the riot act if warranted. My concept is to match resources like parts/ gauges/tapes/ skills, with the service job. If someone turned the tilt adjust screws, a tech with a head gauge would be the best suited. Turned the play height screw? A track alignment tape is needed. Relap or replace heads, unstick guides? Everything is needed. Replace rubber and tweak? A skilled hand, LP's tape, good ear, and a T-100 might be all that is required. We could devise a list of typical problems to match to technician resources. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Fetner >Sent: Aug 18, 2008 11:02 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: subject line PlusNaktalk > >Then make up your own list, David. By your criteria, they all have to have Nak gauges, ran a certified Nak repair facility and they're not a hobbyist. So far, that's netted you what, four people? Do you really believe that there are only four people left in the US and Australia that can work competently on Naks?? > >Wouldn't it make more sense to LISTEN to happy, contented customers here who have nothing but praise for the techs they found? *andy* for example, has painstakingly posted detailed repair procedures for those of us who insist on doing home repair. Seems to me there are lots of ways to get help with Naks, in whatever direction you wish to travel. > >Kevin > > >Message: 19 >Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:48:02 -0700 (PDT) >From: fripp_em >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: subject line Plus >To: naktalk at naks.com, shoeihell at yahoo.com >Message-ID: <504480.61063.qm at web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I don't remember that accusation, and if I did, I wouldn't have repeated it on any mail list - even to point out how wrong it was to make it. > >People need to be warned when a tech has lost the ability to get decks returned to the owner. If it is a one or two time thing, then the tech can clear it up! It doesn't matter how talented the tech is if he can't get people their deck backs. Period! There is no need to make up stories and no one was doing that here. > >On our list of techs (if Naktalk ever does one) I would want to know 1) is the person a trained certified Nakamichi tech (NOT a hobbyist), 2) did they run a certified Nakamichi repair facility, and 3) do they have a set of Nakamichi gauges etc. to work with? Beyond that, if people can't get their decks back and the tech hides behind an answering machine, then potential customers need to know that. It's the way the market can actually work. > >I know Willy and Tom (and John Gipps) were Nak trained and certified. I'm not sure if anyone else is on this list who is. Right now I use Willy and I am lucky that he is close. If Jeff hadn't pointed me a Willy, I'd probably be using Tom or ESL. > >David > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 16:38:30 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Re:Voluntary Code of Ethics In-Reply-To: <200808191003.m7JA1fcE004611@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <925890.95565.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I agree with most of this and I think language is key. I like the idea of a list that delineates the hobbyist from tech and any gray areas in between. You could start with a name, their experience, how many yrs with Naks, kind of equipment they use for service, their average turnaround and then perhaps a 'volunteered' list of happy customers and how often those customers use them. I think it should be kept simple (KISS principle) and the contact/reference part done off-list. Kevin Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:29:45 +0000 From: "Richard Obenauf" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Voluntary Code of Ethics To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <081820081329.4847.48A97948000C0F78000012EF22243323629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0701039B9C0A0C at att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I have been thinking about how this might work since Thursday when Tom first suggested "a voluntary code of ethics," since most of the rumors that I have read in the last five years or so on this group had to do not with politics or electronics but with potentially libelous rumors against technicians. I agree with Tom, Graham, and the others who want to bring this nonsense to an end. I like the idea in principle, especially the description of each tech's capabilities, training, specialties, and, most importantly, his other obligations. To me, that would be the best step in helping new clients have more reasonable expectations before sending equipment away to some stranger. My guess is 90% of the "disputes" on this list could be resolved off-list by satisfied clients who can offer reassurance that two years sometimes really is a normal turnaround time, for example. I have serious reservations about sponsoring a technician, however, in the way Tom has just described. For instance, I have been a client and friend of one well-known Nak tech for several years. I have purchased equipment from him, from microphones and preamplifiers to CD players and Nakamichi tape decks, much of which he modified or upgraded for me. Sometimes it took a very long time, but he has always made good on his promises. I talked with him just last month after my cat broke a speaker; thanks to this tech, I had a replacement woofer within a week. Thus I know this technician well and I am willing to vouch for his work and for his integrity. But I am not his business associate. Asking members of this list to act as a quaisi-legal representative of their favored technicians would be unfair to clients, and it would be unfair to the technicians, and it could be unfair to the entire group. Nevertheless, I like the idea that satisfied (and perhaps dissatisfied) clients could be listed as references prospective new clients could contact - off-list - to hear about our experiences with a particular technician, and what we think they can expect from him. But I think it is unreasonable to ask us (barely strangers) to intervene on their behalf. I think most of us would even be happy to field questions about the progress of the repair (e.g., "It's been six months and he's not responding to my emails...") so long as the tech (or the entire list) isn't included in that discussion. Thus, it seems to me the first dispute level would be contacting the vendor, the second level would be contacting 2 members (whose action is yet to be determined), the third level would be to post to the whole list (but only with the recommendation of the two "sponsors," and without naming names), the fourth step would be to contact police or other authorities (and to become listed as a reference for that technician), and the fifth step would be to post the name of the tech and allegations of theft/fraud/etc. to the entire list. In sum, I like the sponsor idea, but I think it needs some work. Rather than asking members to become backdoor business associates for vendors, I think we need to find a way to make sure our technicians (who are, at least in my experience, some of the most honest and helpful people I have ever had the pleasure to know) are assumed innocent until proven guilty. By helping people take things slowly and reminding them of reasonable expectations for Nak repairs, we can avoid accusations and rumors that can needlessly damage a good reputation. Richard From fripp_em at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 19:08:45 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 66, Issue 20 In-Reply-To: <43033.67698.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <136616.51531.qm@web50502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Actually, he asked if John was a Fraud. He was pleading for help and he seems to have gotten results. Please drop the accusations towards someone who hasn't done anything wrong. If only we could similarly help Walter get his deck back from you know who (or am i supposed to not mention him?). --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: > From: Kevin Fetner > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 66, Issue 20 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 8:13 PM > Seems to me, that you tried everything in your first posting > about John to convince us he was a fraud. Whatever his > failings were in not communicating with you about your deck > repair, yours was to come in here and insinuate fraudulent > repair of said deck. It seems you got it back, double barrel > and your time would have been better served ASKING about > John here from his many other customers BEFORE you accused > him of fraud. Was he speedy in his repairs, no...would I use > him, probably not....doesn't mean he's fraudulent, > just painfully slow. > > I have Tandberg R2R now ready after a yr with a tech in > Oregon. Even though we sometimes communicated and he > recently admits to having 'adult ADD', I would never > use him again. Although, the deck should be in magnificent > recording/working order, I would never go down that road > again. As said, Nak repair is second business or hobby to > many tech, so choose wisely. > > Kevin > From fripp_em at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 19:12:35 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:RX-202 Iddler Spin Issue In-Reply-To: <263705.86948.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <439234.59853.qm@web50510.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I understand why someone would like the list to get back to helping with tape decks. Personal attacks are unwarranted here, aren't they ? (No, I'm not a moderator - just tired of attacks on people who haven't actually done anything to warrant it - like keeping someone's deck for years etc.. which warrants criticism). David --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: > From: Kevin Fetner > Subject: [naktalk] Re:RX-202 Iddler Spin Issue > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 8:41 PM > Well, the "stuff" we talk about here is varied and > not always exactly about deck repair. However, since the > repair advice is purely gratis, I would hesitate if I were > you, in demanding an answer. The techs here get to pick and > choose who they give advice to and since many just come in > here, ask a question, get an answer and leave forever, I > think the techs have every right to answer (or not) at their > discretion. If you get an answer, great, but if I were a > tech here, I'd be giving you the silent Bronx Cheer.;-) > > Kevin > > > Message: 16 > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:29:51 -0400 > From: "SANDRA NJIBE" > > Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Iddler Spin Issue > To: > Message-ID: > <94550A9509A04C11A1D2FA6777342FB3 at JABLONMOBILEPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I don't know if anyone saw my first posting regarding > this problem. I did not get any definitive resolution so > here it is again. > I originally thought I had an iddler rubber issue. In the > process of changing the rubber I discovered that the Iddler > motor was only spinning intermittently. When I press play > the iddler would make contact with the tape transport > mechanism, spin for a second or so and then return to the > center. It repeats this process continuously until I press > stop. I don't know if this is also significant but I > don't hear or see the play head mechanism being engaged, > ONLY THE IDDLER MOTOR SPINNING INTERMITTENTLY. THE TAPE > HEADS DO NOT ENGAGE. Any help would be appreciated. > ENOUGH ON THE UPS GUYS, LETS TALK ABOUT REAL STUFF FOR A > MOMENT!!!! > From fripp_em at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 19:14:34 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: subject line PlusNaktalk In-Reply-To: <252774.21325.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <755923.42525.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I said I'd like to know that. Why are you taking it personally? Please stop the personal attacks. they just aren't needed here, are they? David --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: > From: Kevin Fetner > Subject: [naktalk] Re: subject line PlusNaktalk > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 9:02 PM > Then make up your own list, David. By your criteria, they > all have to have Nak gauges, ran a certified Nak repair > facility and they're not a hobbyist. So far, that's > netted you what, four people? Do you really believe that > there are only four people left in the US and Australia that > can work competently on Naks?? > > Wouldn't it make more sense to LISTEN to happy, > contented customers here who have nothing but praise for the > techs they found? *andy* for example, has painstakingly > posted detailed repair procedures for those of us who insist > on doing home repair. Seems to me there are lots of ways to > get help with Naks, in whatever direction you wish to > travel. > > Kevin > > > Message: 19 > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:48:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: fripp_em > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: subject line Plus > To: naktalk at naks.com, shoeihell at yahoo.com > Message-ID: > <504480.61063.qm at web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I don't remember that accusation, and if I did, I > wouldn't have repeated it on any mail list - even to > point out how wrong it was to make it. > > People need to be warned when a tech has lost the ability > to get decks returned to the owner. If it is a one or two > time thing, then the tech can clear it up! It doesn't > matter how talented the tech is if he can't get people > their deck backs. Period! There is no need to make up > stories and no one was doing that here. > > On our list of techs (if Naktalk ever does one) I would > want to know 1) is the person a trained certified Nakamichi > tech (NOT a hobbyist), 2) did they run a certified Nakamichi > repair facility, and 3) do they have a set of Nakamichi > gauges etc. to work with? Beyond that, if people can't > get their decks back and the tech hides behind an answering > machine, then potential customers need to know that. > It's the way the market can actually work. > > I know Willy and Tom (and John Gipps) were Nak trained and > certified. I'm not sure if anyone else is on this list > who is. Right now I use Willy and I am lucky that he is > close. If Jeff hadn't pointed me a Willy, I'd > probably be using Tom or ESL. > > David > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fripp_em at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 19:17:20 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 66, Issue 20 In-Reply-To: <501910.96076.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46917.55910.qm@web50502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I was a member. I just put it out of my mind as a one off that didn't need repeating. Why are you taking this personally. Can we stop the personal attacks already? David --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: > From: Kevin Fetner > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 66, Issue 20 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 9:15 PM > Message: 19 > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:48:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: fripp_em > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: subject line Plus > To: naktalk at naks.com, shoeihell at yahoo.com > Message-ID: > <504480.61063.qm at web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > "I don't remember that accusation, and if I did, I > wouldn't have repeated it on any mail list - even to > point out how wrong it was to make it." > > Well, possibly because you weren't a member here when > that statement was made. And if I understand your statement > correctly, it's ignorant and high-handed of you to > condemn me for repeating it. It was the most aggrieves and > harmful posting that I ever saw on naktalk. I think it's > HIGHLY relevant in light of exemplifying how wild > accusations, rumor and innuendo can damage people who > don't even have the opportunity to defend themselves. > > Kevin > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 20 18:27:28 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] subject line/service radios In-Reply-To: <330626053@web.de> Message-ID: <183888.35022.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, Do you service transcievers? Since this question is not Nak related you can e-mail me directly. Thanks, Bob N wotbob01 at yahoo.com Ben Beddig wrote: Hello to everybody I am a radio and tv electrician and have lots of customers. email and telephone contact is the most important thing in doing this job. to not answer those customers emails is a very bad boys behavior, and customer is in right to tell the name of such person. I thing mr J.G. has to solder his own decks only in future so a better boy can do the NAK service. Naks are easy to repair and understand. By the way iam selling complette schematics and service manual of Dragon / LX5 / BX300E. ( i own all these dreams !) > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "fripp_em" > Gesendet: 16.08.08 00:20:25 > An: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Betreff: Re: [naktalk] subject line > Please stop using this subject line. > > "Fraudulent Technician Alert - John Gipps, Brisbane" > > People who don't know any better will think that John is the new Sank or something. > > David > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > _______________________________________________________________________ EINE FÜR ALLE: die kostenlose WEB.DE-Plattform für Freunde und Deine Homepage mit eigenem Namen. Jetzt starten! http://unddu.de/?kid=kid at mf2 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Wed Aug 20 21:00:19 2008 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:00:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Sales Message-ID: <6bddc1110808201200p352a754ah9d422e300e2b6f04@mail.gmail.com> All, I wanted to throw this out to you all before I go to public forums in the event there was more interest from people I already trust and respect. I'm selling a few of my decks to make room for some other equipment. They are all in excellent condition and have been babied. The decks for sale are: - 500 - 582 - BX-125 - CR-1A - CR-5A My question, before I start with the descriptions and photos, is this: how much interest will there be on this list, where most of you already have much better decks? Am I better off going with Audiogon or eBay? Thanks in advance for your candor :-) -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bennyly at web.de Wed Aug 20 22:33:59 2008 From: bennyly at web.de (Ben Beddig) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:33:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re:UPS Idiots Message-ID: <341208366@web.de> Hello sir what a pitty, such a nice thing and now you got nothing ?!? Did i get you right you have to send the deck back forever? A brooken board is maybe repairable, by reassemble the cutted tracks May you get another deck at ebay for less or same amount. good luck so far benny > Found the problem, the circuit boaard on the back of the motor was broken > in half. At first it did not look like there were any circuits running > through were it broke, but after careful inspection there were indeed > alot. Paypal sided with me, so the deck is going back. > > > Ed ________________________________________________________________________ Schon gehört? Bei WEB.DE gibt' s viele kostenlose Spiele: http://games.entertainment.web.de/de/entertainment/games/free/index.html From bennyly at web.de Wed Aug 20 23:30:11 2008 From: bennyly at web.de (Ben Beddig) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:30:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] personal attacks are not wanted here... Message-ID: <341253163@web.de> Hello to everbody Yes, david is right.Please stop the personal attacks ! I thing out there are existing two kinds of people: a tech- a man loving musik-his wife and friends, loving helping people all over the world and so on...! the other is a customer of an expensive "high end audio product", dont know much about the electronik behind the faceplate, complaining about everything in his life, and being fast disapointed in a tech that is "slow". So the tech has to learn how to be some more harder with those customers, may some faster (comunication). So the Customer has to learn that a good thing needs time to be done, and to shut mouth here at Naktalk. Now i fetch my Headphones and sit down to listen to my beloved (and proper working) LX3 NAKdeck- Rimsky Korsakoff and Grieg !! Wonderfull !! (LX3 owns a standard mechanism without all that sensible automatik things in there - so it is more reliable and even my wife loves the bauty of it. It also got the complete nice electronik path (parts) like the "big" ones, and a rec/play combihead that is very compatible with other brands recorded tapes. It is a wolf in a sheep skin.) I sell service manuals - schematics for following decks: BX 300 E DRAGON 480 481 582 600 680zx cassette deck 1 LX 5 RX 202 RX 505 ZX 9 Price is 25,-- $US plus shipping. they are brand new and nice printed. some model have owner manuals and broschures for free including. Benny, Germany > I said I'd like to know that. Why are you taking it personally? Please stop the personal attacks. they just aren't needed here, are they? > > David > _________________________________________________________________________ In 5 Schritten zur eigenen Homepage. Jetzt Domain sichern und gestalten! Nur 3,99 EUR/Monat! http://www.maildomain.web.de/?mc=021114 From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 02:09:39 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Personal attacks In-Reply-To: <200808201001.m7KA0qCO003040@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <768691.94559.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> David, Maybe you haven't been told this before, but your Net etiquette sometimes is just like sandpaper on raw flesh. Maybe you don't 'intend' that however and it's just my perception. On the other hand, I'm not leading the fray on Naktalk in personal attacks either, even though you may have surmised that. I think many here could respect each other a little better than they do, if this is to remain a safe, stellar website devoted to Nak freaks. This would include members; using the word "FRAUD" (no matter what your perception is of what they meant), or members demanding for a second time (in CAPS) that their plea for free service help be met. Again, there's some sort of honor in Net etiquette in a group like this or not, you choose. If you'll notice, most of the members here who ventured into the John Gripps debacle, were defending John, not the accuser's claims. It's not really good form to throw the word "FRAUD" out on a hook and see what fish bite. And who is "you know who"...Voldemort? Kevin Message: 3 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:08:45 -0700 (PDT) From: fripp_em Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 66, Issue 20 To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <136616.51531.qm at web50502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually, he asked if John was a Fraud. He was pleading for help and he seems to have gotten results. Please drop the accusations towards someone who hasn't done anything wrong. If only we could similarly help Walter get his deck back from you know who (or am i supposed to not mention him?). From johnwmcmorrow at msn.com Thu Aug 21 12:51:41 2008 From: johnwmcmorrow at msn.com (John McMorrow) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:51:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 660zx Message-ID: I have a Nakamichi 660zx since new and wondered what the Nak people would think it is worth on the open market since I am selling it now. I've had it since new and it is in good working condition only ever having the capstan/belt replaced. What is the going rate for Metal tapes now? I have loads which are the heavy TDk made of metal type? Regards John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 17:33:52 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Control motor problems In-Reply-To: <211ca5a30808171326i322dd00emf6367a2b5c959d9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <919177.76668.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> JB, that radio shack cleaner was the tyoe that claims "no residue", correct? Bob N James Brodsky wrote: I don't know which deck you are referring to, but I recently had an excellent experience repairing the control motor in my Sankyo-based-transport BX-100. The motor seemed to have a "dead" spot that caused the transport buttons to try and do "everything at once." I found Andy's excellent writeup on how to resolve Sankyo-transport control motor issues on a CR-7: http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_control_motor.html Basically following those instructions I was able to remove the motor, run it for 20 minutes in both directions off a 9-volt battery, and replace the motor. The whole repair took maybe 90 minutes. I could not find DeOxit in my impatience to clean internal corrosion from the commutator and brushes and leaf switches, but the "Precision Electronics Cleaner" sold at RadioShack seemed to work just fine instead. I also re-greased the control cam with a very small amount of full-synthetic bicycle grease, and the BX-100 has operated perfectly ever since. -jb On 8/17/08, badanth at aim.com wrote: > I have a bad spot in my control motor. The tape stops and nothing works > until I push the cam wheel and it's back to normal for awhile. How hard is > it to take one out and clean? I've never done this before and don't know > what to expect. > > Thanks, > > Anthony > > > ________________________________ > It's time to go back to school! 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This deck is in excellent cosmetic condition with the exception of a small 1-inch scratch on the top rear (see photo), and the output knob cover appears to have gone missing (looking for it now). It has been thoroughly tested and functions perfectly. Adjustments have been made to this deck as needed and cleaning/demagnetizing was performed routinely and conscientiously. Serial # is 17197. Photos attached. Sales are obviously "as-is", but if for any reason you are dissatisfied with the deck just let me know and I'll refund your money as well as half the cost of shipping the item back. Remember though, this is a dialogue and I already like you guys, so if you require further photos, tests or other information, just ask. Better that than the hassle of returns and refunds. *I'm asking $50 + shipping.* I prefer Paypal but can accommodate other forms of payment as well. If you live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, local pickup is okay. Otherwise, decks will be shipped Fedex ground, insured for the sale amount if I can figure out how to do that using their online interface. The only shipping charges will be what Fedex charges me, and I'll let you know what that amount is when I get it packed up, weighed, and get a quote from the website. And as mentioned before I'll include a still-shrinkwrapped 4-pack of Maxell XLII-S 90-minute tapes with each deck. -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BX125-front.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 455247 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BX125-frontleftagle.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 460512 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Adjustments have been made to this deck as needed and cleaning/demagnetizing was performed routinely and conscientiously, *the deck sounds really good*. Serial # is A32631425. Photos attached. Sales are obviously "as-is", but if for any reason you are dissatisfied with the deck just let me know and I'll refund your money as well as half the cost of shipping the item back. Remember though, this is a dialogue and I already like you guys, so if you require further photos, tests or other information, just ask. Better that than the hassle of returns and refunds. *I'm asking $50 + shipping.* I prefer Paypal but can accommodate other forms of payment as well. If you live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, local pickup is okay. Otherwise, decks will be shipped Fedex ground, insured for the sale amount if I can figure out how to do that using their online interface. The only shipping charges will be what Fedex charges me, and I'll let you know what that amount is when I get it packed up, weighed, and get a quote from the website. And as mentioned before I'll include a still-shrinkwrapped 4-pack of Maxell XLII-S 90-minute tapes with each deck. -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: CR1A-front.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 453986 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: CR1A-frontleftangle.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 449061 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: CR1A-frontrightangle.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 402632 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sales are obvously "as-is", but if for any reason you are dissatisfied with the deck just let me know and I'll refund your money as well as half the cost of shipping the item back. Remember though, this is a dialogue and I already like you guys, so if you require further photos, tests or other information, just ask. Better that than the hassle of returns and refunds. *I'm asking $45 + shipping.* I prefer Paypal but can accomodate other forms of payment as well. If you live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, local pickup is okay. Otherwise, decks will be shipped Fedex ground, insured for the sale amount if I can figure out how to do that using their online interface. The only shipping charges will be what Fedex charges me, and I'll let you know what that amount is when I get it packed up, weighed, and get a quote from the website. -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sales are obviously "as-is", but if for any reason you are dissatisfied with the deck just let me know and I'll refund your money as well as half the cost of shipping the item back. Remember though, this is a dialogue and I already like you guys, so if you require further photos, tests or other information, just ask. Better that than the hassle of returns and refunds. *I'm asking $350 + shipping.* I prefer Paypal but can accommodate other forms of payment as well. If you live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, local pickup is okay. Otherwise, decks will be shipped Fedex ground, insured for the sale amount if I can figure out how to do that using their online interface. The only shipping charges will be what Fedex charges me, and I'll let you know what that amount is when I get it packed up, weighed, and get a quote from the website. 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Photos attached. Sales are obviously "as-is", but if for any reason you are dissatisfied with the deck just let me know and I'll refund your money as well as half the cost of shipping the item back. Remember though, this is a dialogue and I already like you guys, so if you require further photos, tests or other information, just ask. Better that than the hassle of returns and refunds. *I'm asking $250 + shipping.* I prefer Paypal but can accommodate other forms of payment as well. If you live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, local pickup is okay. Otherwise, decks will be shipped Fedex ground, insured for the sale amount if I can figure out how to do that using their online interface. The only shipping charges will be what Fedex charges me, and I'll let you know what that amount is when I get it packed up, weighed, and get a quote from the website. 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Wouter From mfallon at windstream.net Thu Aug 21 22:38:55 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:38:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 660zx Message-ID: <20080821203855.XBFC13398.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Put them on your local Craigslist or list them on eBay and you should find out pretty quick. I've had a pristine DR2 on the Pittsburgh area Craigslist for a month or two for $175 and haven't scared up much interest. So the market goes... Mike > > From: John McMorrow > Date: 2008/08/21 Thu AM 06:51:41 EDT > To: > Subject: [naktalk] 660zx > > > I have a Nakamichi 660zx since new and wondered what the Nak people would think it is worth on the open market since I am selling it now. I've had it since new and it is in good working condition only ever having the capstan/belt replaced. > What is the going rate for Metal tapes now? I have loads which are the heavy TDk made of metal type? > Regards > John > -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From james.brodsky at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 23:11:02 2008 From: james.brodsky at gmail.com (James Brodsky) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:11:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Control motor problems In-Reply-To: <919177.76668.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <211ca5a30808171326i322dd00emf6367a2b5c959d9a@mail.gmail.com> <919177.76668.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <211ca5a30808211411q5a5a304y4e827e45882a3bce@mail.gmail.com> This one. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102649&cp=2032058.2032229&cp=2032058&f=Taxonomy%2FRSK%2F2032229&categoryId=2032229&kwCatId=2032058&kw=cleaner&parentPage=search If that link didn't work, then yes - it is called "Precision Electronics Cleaner" and says it leaves no residue. Whether or not it is similar to the DeOxit that *andy* specifies, I do not know. I do know that it fixed my motor with (so far) no ill effects. -jb On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: > JB, that radio shack cleaner was the tyoe that claims "no residue", > correct? Bob N > > James Brodsky wrote: > > I don't know which deck you are referring to, but I recently had an > excellent experience repairing the control motor in my > Sankyo-based-transport BX-100. The motor seemed to have a "dead" spot > that caused the transport buttons to try and do "everything at once." > I found Andy's excellent writeup on how to resolve Sankyo-transport > control motor issues on a CR-7: > > http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_control_motor.html > > Basically following those instructions I was able to remove the motor, > run it for 20 minutes in both directions off a 9-volt battery, and > replace the motor. The whole repair took maybe 90 minutes. I could not > find DeOxit in my impatience to clean internal corrosion from the > commutator and brushes and leaf switches, but the "Precision > Electronics Cleaner" sold at RadioShack seemed to work just fine > instead. I also re-greased the control cam with a very small amount of > full-synthetic bicycle grease, and the BX-100 has operated perfectly > ever since. > > -jb > > On 8/17/08, badanth at aim.com wrote: >> I have a bad spot in my control motor. The tape stops and nothing works >> until I push the cam wheel and it's back to normal for awhile. How hard is >> it to take one out and clean? I've never done this before and don't know >> what to expect. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Anthony >> >> >> ________________________________ >> It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that >> make >> the grade on AOL Shopping. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Fri Aug 22 00:00:34 2008 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:00:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 660zx In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91859EF180ACA649859E8119373DABEE416619@uedmbx.UE.com> John I also own a 660zx but have an OM for a 670zx as no 660zx manual had been available from this site. If you still have your original OM, you might consider scanning a copy for this group, unless it has been added since I last checked... anybody know? regards, Andy (the other) _____ From: John McMorrow [mailto:johnwmcmorrow at msn.com] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 660zx I have a Nakamichi 660zx since new and wondered what the Nak people would think it is worth on the open market since I am selling it now. I've had it since new and it is in good working condition only ever having the capstan/belt replaced. What is the going rate for Metal tapes now? I have loads which are the heavy TDk made of metal type? Regards John Please note that the information and attachments in this email are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy or print the message or its attachments. Notify me at the above address and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you Please note that the information and attachments in this email are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy or print the message or its attachments. Notify me at the above address and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From badanth at aim.com Thu Aug 21 23:46:12 2008 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:46:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Control motor problems In-Reply-To: <919177.76668.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CAD1EE768D9AE4-F38-7C32@webmail-nh15.sysops.aol.com> Ok, I took it apart and followed Andy's directions. Everything went fine until I hooked things back up. Every time I sart it up the control motor, leaf switches and cam go round and round and round. I had a hard time getting the metal lever to stay on top of the cam and there seems to be a little space between the cam and metal bracket. Was there a washer or something in between there? Is it supposed to have and 1/8th inch space? When it goes around and around the pause-rew-ply-FF?lights are lit and the heads go up and down up and down. Any ideas? Thanks, Anthony -----Original Message----- From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:33 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Control motor problems JB, that radio shack cleaner was the tyoe that claims "no residue", correct?? Bob N James Brodsky wrote: I don't know which deck you are referring to, but I recently had an excellent experience repairing the control motor in my Sankyo-based-transport BX-100. The motor seemed to have a "dead" spot that caused the transport buttons to try and do "everything at once." I found Andy's excellent writeup on how to resolve Sankyo-transport control motor issues on a CR-7: http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_control_motor.html Basically following those instructions I was able to remove the motor, run it for 20 minutes in both directions off a 9-volt battery, and replace the motor. The whole repair took maybe 90 minutes. I could not find DeOxit in my impatience to clean internal corrosion from the commutator and brushes and leaf switches, but the "Precision Electronics Cleaner" sold at RadioShack seemed to work just fine instead. I also re-greased the control cam with a very small amount of full-synthetic bicycle grease, and the BX-100 has operated perfectly ever since. -jb On 8/17/08, badanth at aim.com wrote: > I have a bad spot in my control motor. The tape stops and nothing works > until I push the cam wheel and it's back to normal for awhile. How hard is > it to take one out and clean? I've never done this before and don't know > what to expect. > > Thanks, > > Anthony > > > ________________________________ > It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that make > the grade on AOL Shopping. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From badanth at aim.com Fri Aug 22 16:50:29 2008 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:50:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Control motor problems In-Reply-To: <211ca5a30808211411q5a5a304y4e827e45882a3bce@mail.gmail.com> References: <211ca5a30808171326i322dd00emf6367a2b5c959d9a@mail.gmail.com> <919177.76668.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <211ca5a30808211411q5a5a304y4e827e45882a3bce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CAD27D8DC4D7DE-1168-418D@webmail-ne05.sysops.aol.com> Well,?I took it apart again and put it back together and this time no problems so far. I didn't see anything different or something I miss this time but at least it's working again. I'll give it a work out this weekend and keep my fingers crossed. ;o) Thanks again for all of your help! Anthony -----Original Message----- From: James Brodsky To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 5:11 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Control motor problems This one. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102649&cp=2032058.2032229&cp=2032058&f=Taxonomy%2FRSK%2F2032229&categoryId=2032229&kwCatId=2032058&kw=cleaner&parentPage=search If that link didn't work, then yes - it is called "Precision Electronics Cleaner" and says it leaves no residue. Whether or not it is similar to the DeOxit that *andy* specifies, I do not know. I do know that it fixed my motor with (so far) no ill effects. -jb On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: > JB, that radio shack cleaner was the tyoe that claims "no residue", > correct? Bob N > > James Brodsky wrote: > > I don't know which deck you are referring to, but I recently had an > excellent experience repairing the control motor in my > Sankyo-based-transport BX-100. The motor seemed to have a "dead" spot > that caused the transport buttons to try and do "everything at once." > I found Andy's excellent writeup on how to resolve Sankyo-transport > control motor issues on a CR-7: > > http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_control_motor.html > > Basically following those instructions I was able to remove the motor, > run it for 20 minutes in both directions off a 9-volt battery, and > replace the motor. The whole repair took maybe 90 minutes. I could not > find DeOxit in my impatience to clean internal corrosion from the > commutator and brushes and leaf switches, but the "Precision > Electronics Cleaner" sold at RadioShack seemed to work just fine > instead. I also re-greased the control cam with a very small amount of > full-synthetic bicycle grease, and the BX-100 has operated perfectly > ever since. > > -jb > > On 8/17/08, badanth at aim.com wrote: >> I have a bad spot in my control motor. The tape stops and nothing works >> until I push the cam wheel and it's back to normal for awhile. How hard is >> it to take one out and clean? I've never done this before and don't know >> what to expect. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Anthony >> >> >> ________________________________ >> It's ti me to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that >> make >> the grade on AOL Shopping. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 21 23:30:26 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:30:26 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? Message-ID: <17365745.1219354226449.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'm going to sound like a commercial here, but believe me I'm not posting a sales pitch. The pushing many of us have done to find an affordable source for the C8096C belt has produced excellent results. I do not understand why there has been so little NakTalk comment, and according to Fred, very few orders. Please, if any of you have questions or comments, write NakTalk about it. --Is the belt too expensive? --Is it too good to believe? --Are you tired of this topic? --Is this something you never really needed? --Are you waiting for more test information? --Do you think Fred will live longer than you and always have belts in stock? * My recommendation is to buy 2 belts per classic deck you own. One belt will keep your deck working, and the second will insure that you can sell the deck if that time comes. A new belt performs well for about 6 years. Symptoms of stretched belts are subtle increases in flutter, audible on solo violin or piano as a thickening of timbre. More stretching causes a few seconds of high frequency drop out when going from stop to play. Even if you do not intend to service your deck this year, buy a belt. Put it in your Christmas stocking. * I feel a certain amount of fatalism is appropriate. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 21 23:28:57 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Control motor problems In-Reply-To: <211ca5a30808211411q5a5a304y4e827e45882a3bce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <432828.43291.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HI all, Radio Shack sells Deoxit and Deoxit Gold (formerly called progold)in a combo small spray can ( 2 packed together)for $14.99 or so. Or one can obtain bigger dispensers from http://store.caig.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.188/.f and order online. These chemicals do work like magic for sure! Ram --- On Thu, 8/21/08, James Brodsky wrote: > From: James Brodsky > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Control motor problems > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 5:11 PM > This one. > > http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102649&cp=2032058.2032229&cp=2032058&f=Taxonomy%2FRSK%2F2032229&categoryId=2032229&kwCatId=2032058&kw=cleaner&parentPage=search > > If that link didn't work, then yes - it is called > "Precision > Electronics Cleaner" and says it leaves no residue. > Whether or not it > is similar to the DeOxit that *andy* specifies, I do not > know. I do > know that it fixed my motor with (so far) no ill effects. > > -jb > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Bob Naylor > wrote: > > JB, that radio shack cleaner was the tyoe that claims > "no residue", > > correct? Bob N > > > > James Brodsky wrote: > > > > I don't know which deck you are referring to, but > I recently had an > > excellent experience repairing the control motor in my > > Sankyo-based-transport BX-100. The motor seemed to > have a "dead" spot > > that caused the transport buttons to try and do > "everything at once." > > I found Andy's excellent writeup on how to resolve > Sankyo-transport > > control motor issues on a CR-7: > > > > http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_control_motor.html > > > > Basically following those instructions I was able to > remove the motor, > > run it for 20 minutes in both directions off a 9-volt > battery, and > > replace the motor. The whole repair took maybe 90 > minutes. I could not > > find DeOxit in my impatience to clean internal > corrosion from the > > commutator and brushes and leaf switches, but the > "Precision > > Electronics Cleaner" sold at RadioShack seemed to > work just fine > > instead. I also re-greased the control cam with a very > small amount of > > full-synthetic bicycle grease, and the BX-100 has > operated perfectly > > ever since. > > > > -jb > > > > On 8/17/08, badanth at aim.com wrote: > >> I have a bad spot in my control motor. The tape > stops and nothing works > >> until I push the cam wheel and it's back to > normal for awhile. How hard is > >> it to take one out and clean? I've never done > this before and don't know > >> what to expect. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Anthony > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> It's time to go back to school! Get the latest > trends and gadgets that > >> make > >> the grade on AOL Shopping. > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 01:10:11 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Control motor problems In-Reply-To: <211ca5a30808211411q5a5a304y4e827e45882a3bce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <619707.38144.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks JB for the link. That's what I have and also use it for automotive electronics, connectors etc. Bob N James Brodsky wrote: This one. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102649&cp=2032058.2032229&cp=2032058&f=Taxonomy%2FRSK%2F2032229&categoryId=2032229&kwCatId=2032058&kw=cleaner&parentPage=search If that link didn't work, then yes - it is called "Precision Electronics Cleaner" and says it leaves no residue. Whether or not it is similar to the DeOxit that *andy* specifies, I do not know. I do know that it fixed my motor with (so far) no ill effects. -jb On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: > JB, that radio shack cleaner was the tyoe that claims "no residue", > correct? Bob N > > James Brodsky wrote: > > I don't know which deck you are referring to, but I recently had an > excellent experience repairing the control motor in my > Sankyo-based-transport BX-100. The motor seemed to have a "dead" spot > that caused the transport buttons to try and do "everything at once." > I found Andy's excellent writeup on how to resolve Sankyo-transport > control motor issues on a CR-7: > > http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_control_motor.html > > Basically following those instructions I was able to remove the motor, > run it for 20 minutes in both directions off a 9-volt battery, and > replace the motor. The whole repair took maybe 90 minutes. I could not > find DeOxit in my impatience to clean internal corrosion from the > commutator and brushes and leaf switches, but the "Precision > Electronics Cleaner" sold at RadioShack seemed to work just fine > instead. I also re-greased the control cam with a very small amount of > full-synthetic bicycle grease, and the BX-100 has operated perfectly > ever since. > > -jb > > On 8/17/08, badanth at aim.com wrote: >> I have a bad spot in my control motor. The tape stops and nothing works >> until I push the cam wheel and it's back to normal for awhile. How hard is >> it to take one out and clean? I've never done this before and don't know >> what to expect. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Anthony >> >> >> ________________________________ >> It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that >> make >> the grade on AOL Shopping. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zev.rogoff at gmail.com Thu Aug 21 23:27:25 2008 From: zev.rogoff at gmail.com (zev rogoff) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:27:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sale: Nakamichi CR-1A In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110808211146s79c19d8frc2234a936a48f97e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bddc1110808211146s79c19d8frc2234a936a48f97e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <725e73f90808211427s35ef146er81dabfc58c8b699f@mail.gmail.com> Tim, I have been lurking on naktalk for about a year now. I need to transfer a bunch of tapes, most are lo-fi live recordings of rock shows in clubs on a walkman (the SONY that had 2 mics but not the Pro) so I am not sure if a Nak is goldplating the process, but I figure the less fidelity I lose the better. I think the bx150 or cr-1a should do the trick. I am interested in either if they are still available. Please let me know how you would want to do this, if they are. Paypal? Check? Thanks, Zev Rogoff On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Tim Skorick wrote: > The third deck I'm selling is the Nak CR-1A. Again, I won't bother you all > with the salient functionality functionality and specifications. This deck > is in excellent cosmetic condition with the exception of light scuff marks > on the top of the deck (see photo), It has been thoroughly tested and > functions perfectly. Adjustments have been made to this deck as needed and > cleaning/demagnetizing was performed routinely and conscientiously, *the > deck sounds really good*. Serial # is A32631425. > > Photos attached. Sales are obviously "as-is", but if for any reason you > are dissatisfied with the deck just let me know and I'll refund your money > as well as half the cost of shipping the item back. Remember though, this > is a dialogue and I already like you guys, so if you require further photos, > tests or other information, just ask. Better that than the hassle of > returns and refunds. > > *I'm asking $50 + shipping.* > > I prefer Paypal but can accommodate other forms of payment as well. > > If you live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, local pickup is okay. > Otherwise, decks will be shipped Fedex ground, insured for the sale amount > if I can figure out how to do that using their online interface. The only > shipping charges will be what Fedex charges me, and I'll let you know what > that amount is when I get it packed up, weighed, and get a quote from the > website. > > And as mentioned before I'll include a still-shrinkwrapped 4-pack of Maxell > XLII-S 90-minute tapes with each deck. > > -Tim > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 21:16:30 2008 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:16:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sale: Nakamichi CR-1A In-Reply-To: <725e73f90808211427s35ef146er81dabfc58c8b699f@mail.gmail.com> References: <6bddc1110808211146s79c19d8frc2234a936a48f97e@mail.gmail.com> <725e73f90808211427s35ef146er81dabfc58c8b699f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110808221216r6033e91ey59e42c06eef62051@mail.gmail.com> Zev, Yeah you're definitely better off using good gear, and the later introductory-level Naks with the Sendust heads are a better bet for gleaning every bit of signal off of Sony-recorded tape than the old Naks with the Crystalloy heads. I'd suggest the CR-1A over the BX-125, but both record very well. They're both available at the moment. Let me know what your shipping address is and I'll calculate shipping costs and get you a total. What clubs gigs are they, out of curiosity? What do you use to remaster? I've booted a number of live shows as well (mostly local bands and then major acts like Nine Inch Nails and the like). -Tim On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 4:27 PM, zev rogoff wrote: > Tim, > > I have been lurking on naktalk for about a year now. I need to transfer a > bunch of tapes, most are lo-fi live recordings of rock shows in clubs on a > walkman (the SONY that had 2 mics but not the Pro) so I am not sure if a Nak > is goldplating the process, but I figure the less fidelity I lose the > better. > > I think the bx150 or cr-1a should do the trick. I am interested in either > if they are still available. > Please let me know how you would want to do this, if they are. Paypal? > Check? > > Thanks, > > Zev Rogoff > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Tim Skorick wrote: > >> The third deck I'm selling is the Nak CR-1A. Again, I won't bother you >> all with the salient functionality functionality and specifications. This >> deck is in excellent cosmetic condition with the exception of light scuff >> marks on the top of the deck (see photo), It has been thoroughly tested and >> functions perfectly. Adjustments have been made to this deck as needed and >> cleaning/demagnetizing was performed routinely and conscientiously, *the >> deck sounds really good*. Serial # is A32631425. >> >> Photos attached. Sales are obviously "as-is", but if for any reason you >> are dissatisfied with the deck just let me know and I'll refund your money >> as well as half the cost of shipping the item back. Remember though, this >> is a dialogue and I already like you guys, so if you require further photos, >> tests or other information, just ask. Better that than the hassle of >> returns and refunds. >> >> *I'm asking $50 + shipping.* >> >> I prefer Paypal but can accommodate other forms of payment as well. >> >> If you live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, local pickup is okay. >> Otherwise, decks will be shipped Fedex ground, insured for the sale amount >> if I can figure out how to do that using their online interface. The only >> shipping charges will be what Fedex charges me, and I'll let you know what >> that amount is when I get it packed up, weighed, and get a quote from the >> website. >> >> And as mentioned before I'll include a still-shrinkwrapped 4-pack of >> Maxell XLII-S 90-minute tapes with each deck. >> >> -Tim >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.brodsky at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 21:19:10 2008 From: james.brodsky at gmail.com (James Brodsky) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:19:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? In-Reply-To: <17365745.1219354226449.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17365745.1219354226449.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <211ca5a30808221219h6462d7eem4d52681f71496610@mail.gmail.com> I actually e-mailed Fred about a week ago to get one of these belts to try in my 480 - I currently have the previous edition of the belt and wanted to try the very latest. But I didn't hear back. So Fred - here's a sale for you if you contact me off list. :) -jb On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > I'm going to sound like a commercial here, but believe me I'm not posting a sales pitch. The pushing many of us have done to find an affordable source for the C8096C belt has produced excellent results. I do not understand why there has been so little NakTalk comment, and according to Fred, very few orders. > Please, if any of you have questions or comments, write NakTalk about it. > > --Is the belt too expensive? > --Is it too good to believe? > --Are you tired of this topic? > --Is this something you never really needed? > --Are you waiting for more test information? > --Do you think Fred will live longer than you and always have belts in stock? * > > My recommendation is to buy 2 belts per classic deck you own. One belt will keep your deck working, and the second will insure that you can sell the deck if that time comes. A new belt performs well for about 6 years. Symptoms of stretched belts are subtle increases in flutter, audible on solo violin or piano as a thickening of timbre. More stretching causes a few seconds of high frequency drop out when going from stop to play. Even if you do not intend to service your deck this year, buy a belt. Put it in your Christmas stocking. > > * I feel a certain amount of fatalism is appropriate. > > tom brucker > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 21:51:17 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Control motor problems In-Reply-To: <432828.43291.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <675045.44016.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info Ram! Bob N shanti ramachandran wrote: HI all, Radio Shack sells Deoxit and Deoxit Gold (formerly called progold)in a combo small spray can ( 2 packed together)for $14.99 or so. Or one can obtain bigger dispensers from http://store.caig.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.188/.f and order online. These chemicals do work like magic for sure! Ram --- On Thu, 8/21/08, James Brodsky wrote: > From: James Brodsky > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Control motor problems > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 5:11 PM > This one. > > http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102649&cp=2032058.2032229&cp=2032058&f=Taxonomy%2FRSK%2F2032229&categoryId=2032229&kwCatId=2032058&kw=cleaner&parentPage=search > > If that link didn't work, then yes - it is called > "Precision > Electronics Cleaner" and says it leaves no residue. > Whether or not it > is similar to the DeOxit that *andy* specifies, I do not > know. I do > know that it fixed my motor with (so far) no ill effects. > > -jb > > On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Bob Naylor > wrote: > > JB, that radio shack cleaner was the tyoe that claims > "no residue", > > correct? Bob N > > > > James Brodsky wrote: > > > > I don't know which deck you are referring to, but > I recently had an > > excellent experience repairing the control motor in my > > Sankyo-based-transport BX-100. The motor seemed to > have a "dead" spot > > that caused the transport buttons to try and do > "everything at once." > > I found Andy's excellent writeup on how to resolve > Sankyo-transport > > control motor issues on a CR-7: > > > > http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_control_motor.html > > > > Basically following those instructions I was able to > remove the motor, > > run it for 20 minutes in both directions off a 9-volt > battery, and > > replace the motor. The whole repair took maybe 90 > minutes. I could not > > find DeOxit in my impatience to clean internal > corrosion from the > > commutator and brushes and leaf switches, but the > "Precision > > Electronics Cleaner" sold at RadioShack seemed to > work just fine > > instead. I also re-greased the control cam with a very > small amount of > > full-synthetic bicycle grease, and the BX-100 has > operated perfectly > > ever since. > > > > -jb > > > > On 8/17/08, badanth at aim.com wrote: > >> I have a bad spot in my control motor. The tape > stops and nothing works > >> until I push the cam wheel and it's back to > normal for awhile. How hard is > >> it to take one out and clean? I've never done > this before and don't know > >> what to expect. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Anthony > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> It's time to go back to school! 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URL: From enoyes at snet.net Fri Aug 22 22:51:41 2008 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:51:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Control motor problems In-Reply-To: <8CAD1EE768D9AE4-F38-7C32@webmail-nh15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAD1EE768D9AE4-F38-7C32@webmail-nh15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <48AF26DD.4010406@snet.net> Make sure all the plug in connections to the pc board are in place. I can't remember which, but there is a two lead connector that when pulled will cause the cam motor to cycle endlessly (helpful if you just tried cleaning and not a rebuild). Ed badanth at aim.com wrote: > Ok, I took it apart and followed Andy's directions. Everything went > fine until I hooked things back up. Every time I sart it up the > control motor, leaf switches and cam go round and round and round. I > had a hard time getting the metal lever to stay on top of the cam and > there seems to be a little space between the cam and metal bracket. > Was there a washer or something in between there? Is it supposed to > have and 1/8th inch space? When it goes around and around the > pause-rew-ply-FF lights are lit and the heads go up and down up and > down. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Anthony > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Naylor > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:33 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Control motor problems > > JB, that radio shack cleaner was the tyoe that claims "no residue", > correct? Bob N > > James Brodsky > wrote: > > I don't know which deck you are referring to, but I recently had an > excellent experience repairing the control motor in my > Sankyo-based-transport BX-100. The motor seemed to have a "dead" spot > that caused the transport buttons to try and do "everything at once." > I found Andy's excellent writeup on how to resolve Sankyo-transport > control motor issues on a CR-7: > > http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_control_motor.html > > Basically following those instructions I was able to remove the motor, > run it for 20 minutes in both directions off a 9-volt battery, and > replace the motor. The whole repair took maybe 90 minutes. I could not > find DeOxit in my impatience to clean internal corrosion from the > commutator and brushes and leaf switches, but the "Precision > Electronics Cleaner" sold at RadioShack seemed to work just fine > instead. I also re-greased the control cam with a very small amount of > full-synthetic bicycle grease, and the BX-100 has operated perfectly > ever since. > > -jb > > On 8/17/08, badanth at aim.com wrote: > > I have a bad spot in my control motor. The tape stops and > nothing works > > until I push the cam wheel and it's back to normal for awhile. > How hard is > > it to take one out and clean? I've never done this before and > don't know > > what to expect. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Anthony > > > > > > ________________________________ > > It's time to go back to school! 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References: <17365745.1219354226449.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004001c904a5$6780f7b0$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Tom LIke I suspect quite a few others I had only just 'invested' in the 8096-D when the D2 then was announced & became available pretty quickly. Haven't yet even fitted the new 8096D as the 682 is performing fine ay the moment so Fred's vg offer hasn't tempted me [yet]. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Brucker" To: Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? > I'm going to sound like a commercial here, but believe me I'm not posting > a sales pitch. The pushing many of us have done to find an affordable > source for the C8096C belt has produced excellent results. I do not > understand why there has been so little NakTalk comment, and according to > Fred, very few orders. > Please, if any of you have questions or comments, write NakTalk about it. > > --Is the belt too expensive? > --Is it too good to believe? > --Are you tired of this topic? > --Is this something you never really needed? > --Are you waiting for more test information? > --Do you think Fred will live longer than you and always have belts in > stock? * > > My recommendation is to buy 2 belts per classic deck you own. One belt > will keep your deck working, and the second will insure that you can sell > the deck if that time comes. A new belt performs well for about 6 years. > Symptoms of stretched belts are subtle increases in flutter, audible on > solo violin or piano as a thickening of timbre. More stretching causes a > few seconds of high frequency drop out when going from stop to play. Even > if you do not intend to service your deck this year, buy a belt. Put it in > your Christmas stocking. > > * I feel a certain amount of fatalism is appropriate. > > tom brucker > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1627 - Release Date: 22/08/2008 > 06:48 > > From EL34GUY at aol.com Sat Aug 23 02:50:16 2008 From: EL34GUY at aol.com (EL34GUY at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:50:16 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 682zx azimuth alignment procedure Message-ID: Hello, I have a(new to me) 682zx that appears to go into azimuth alignment error every time I go into the procedure. It runs through about 10 clicks on the tape counter and then stops and flashes without rewinding. This is for type 2 tapes like the TDK SA and UDXLII Maxells. I did the manual bias adjust as well and it needed very little adjustment. Any ideas where to start on this or am I doing something incomplete here? Any feedback would be great and appreciated. Thankyou Mark **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.bowley at mypostoffice.co.uk Sat Aug 23 13:16:07 2008 From: john.bowley at mypostoffice.co.uk (Dave Bowley) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:16:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 682zx azimuth alignment procedure References: Message-ID: <005701c90511$a4670e50$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Mark I had similar problems when I first acquired my 682Zx about 15 months ago. After some dialogue/advice I changed the two counter belts whilst I was also replacing a couple of burnt out lamps & the belt job fixed the issues. They are a bit awkward to fit but an amateur armed with a hooked wire& cover/bottom plate removed can easily do this following the schematics & taking care. ----- Original Message ----- From: EL34GUY at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 1:50 AM Subject: [naktalk] 682zx azimuth alignment procedure Hello, I have a(new to me) 682zx that appears to go into azimuth alignment error every time I go into the procedure. It runs through about 10 clicks on the tape counter and then stops and flashes without rewinding. This is for type 2 tapes like the TDK SA and UDXLII Maxells. I did the manual bias adjust as well and it needed very little adjustment. Any ideas where to start on this or am I doing something incomplete here? Any feedback would be great and appreciated. 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 16:20:34 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 682zx azimuth alignment procedure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <969878.97456.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The 682 requires correct record head/ ( to Play head Height as well azimuth) alignment for the azimuth ajustment to work.   Possibly Automatic bias adjustment or azimuth adjut circuit is malfunctioning. The service manual describes how you can adjut automatic bias level adjustment circuit to correct setting or how that to be aligned. If you do not have the correct tools, send it to one of the Techs who service   kannan --- On Fri, 8/22/08, EL34GUY at aol.com wrote: From: EL34GUY at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] 682zx azimuth alignment procedure To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 8:50 PM Hello,   I have a(new to me) 682zx that appears to go into azimuth alignment error every time I go into the procedure. It runs through about 10 clicks on the tape counter and then stops and flashes without rewinding. This is for type 2 tapes like the TDK SA and UDXLII Maxells. I did the manual bias adjust as well and it needed very little adjustment.   Any ideas where to start on this or am I doing something incomplete here? Any feedback would be great and appreciated.   Thankyou   Mark   It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Aug 23 16:23:05 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:23:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? In-Reply-To: <004001c904a5$6780f7b0$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> References: <17365745.1219354226449.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <004001c904a5$6780f7b0$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <48B01D49.1050205@marrscommunications.com> Dave, If you would like to exchange the D-1 for the D-2, no problem. I will be happy to do that! Fred M Dave Bowley wrote: > Tom > > LIke I suspect quite a few others I had only just 'invested' in the > 8096-D when the D2 then was announced & became available pretty > quickly. Haven't yet even fitted the new 8096D as the 682 is > performing fine ay the moment so Fred's vg offer hasn't tempted me [yet]. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Brucker" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:30 PM > Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? > > >> I'm going to sound like a commercial here, but believe me I'm not >> posting a sales pitch. The pushing many of us have done to find an >> affordable source for the C8096C belt has produced excellent results. >> I do not understand why there has been so little NakTalk comment, and >> according to Fred, very few orders. >> Please, if any of you have questions or comments, write NakTalk about >> it. >> >> --Is the belt too expensive? >> --Is it too good to believe? >> --Are you tired of this topic? >> --Is this something you never really needed? >> --Are you waiting for more test information? >> --Do you think Fred will live longer than you and always have belts >> in stock? * >> >> My recommendation is to buy 2 belts per classic deck you own. One >> belt will keep your deck working, and the second will insure that you >> can sell the deck if that time comes. A new belt performs well for >> about 6 years. Symptoms of stretched belts are subtle increases in >> flutter, audible on solo violin or piano as a thickening of timbre. >> More stretching causes a few seconds of high frequency drop out when >> going from stop to play. Even if you do not intend to service your >> deck this year, buy a belt. Put it in your Christmas stocking. >> >> * I feel a certain amount of fatalism is appropriate. >> >> tom brucker >> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >> http://www.netintelligence.com/email >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1627 - Release Date: >> 22/08/2008 06:48 >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From Perryinva at aol.com Sat Aug 23 13:55:56 2008 From: Perryinva at aol.com (Perryinva at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:55:56 EDT Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? Message-ID: Well yeah, I just bought and installed 3 "new" D belts after all the hype & insistance that THAT belt is the best you can get next to an OEM C belt, and it works great etc, etc,...WTF!!! 2 months later the D2 is the REAL deal...maybe I should wait for the D3!!!!, I mean, I know it sucks for Fred, but there wer like a thousand posta that it was made by the original OEM, nothing would ever come out any better..I mean I even bouht SPARES or the D....I'll have to really think about buying the D2... ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Aug 23 17:15:48 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:15:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? In-Reply-To: <48B01D49.1050205@marrscommunications.com> References: <17365745.1219354226449.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <004001c904a5$6780f7b0$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> <48B01D49.1050205@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <48B029A4.3010709@yahoo.ca> Yep, there's still people like me who need CD-3 belts ;-) Marrs Communications a écrit : > Dave, > > If you would like to exchange the D-1 for the D-2, no problem. I will > be happy to do that! Fred M > > Dave Bowley wrote: > >> Tom >> >> LIke I suspect quite a few others I had only just 'invested' in the >> 8096-D when the D2 then was announced & became available pretty >> quickly. Haven't yet even fitted the new 8096D as the 682 is >> performing fine ay the moment so Fred's vg offer hasn't tempted me >> [yet]. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Brucker" >> >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:30 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? >> >> >>> I'm going to sound like a commercial here, but believe me I'm not >>> posting a sales pitch. The pushing many of us have done to find an >>> affordable source for the C8096C belt has produced excellent >>> results. I do not understand why there has been so little NakTalk >>> comment, and according to Fred, very few orders. >>> Please, if any of you have questions or comments, write NakTalk >>> about it. >>> >>> --Is the belt too expensive? >>> --Is it too good to believe? >>> --Are you tired of this topic? >>> --Is this something you never really needed? >>> --Are you waiting for more test information? >>> --Do you think Fred will live longer than you and always have belts >>> in stock? * >>> >>> My recommendation is to buy 2 belts per classic deck you own. One >>> belt will keep your deck working, and the second will insure that >>> you can sell the deck if that time comes. A new belt performs well >>> for about 6 years. Symptoms of stretched belts are subtle increases >>> in flutter, audible on solo violin or piano as a thickening of >>> timbre. More stretching causes a few seconds of high frequency drop >>> out when going from stop to play. Even if you do not intend to >>> service your deck this year, buy a belt. Put it in your Christmas >>> stocking. >>> >>> * I feel a certain amount of fatalism is appropriate. >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>> hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> hitech at bellsouth.net >>> 615-331-9241 >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >>> http://www.netintelligence.com/email >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1627 - Release Date: >>> 22/08/2008 06:48 >>> >>> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Aug 23 17:49:48 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:49:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B0319C.3010903@marrscommunications.com> Hi, Any customer that purchased the "D", can exchange them for the "D2" if they prefer. I have no problem with that. The "D" cost me a fortune, but that is not my customers problem. I made the "exchange decision", before I had the "D2" manufactured. As I claim, 100% satisfaction is guaranteed. I want every customer, to be completely satisfied. I would not have it any other way. Anyone who has "D"'s that wants to exchange them, Contact me off-line: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Thanks ! Fred Perryinva at aol.com wrote: > Well yeah, I just bought and installed 3 "new" D belts after all the > hype & insistance that THAT belt is the best you can get next to an > OEM C belt, and it works great etc, etc,...WTF!!! 2 months later the > D2 is the REAL deal...maybe I should wait for the D3!!!!, I mean, I > know it sucks for Fred, but there wer like a thousand posta that it > was made by the original OEM, nothing would ever come out any > better..I mean I even bouht SPARES or the D....I'll have to really > think about buying the D2... > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk Sat Aug 23 18:35:09 2008 From: dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk (Dave Bowley) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:35:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? In-Reply-To: <48B01D49.1050205@marrscommunications.com> References: <17365745.1219354226449.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <004001c904a5$6780f7b0$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> <48B01D49.1050205@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the offer Fred It wasn't a gibe [really]. As Andy has already tried the D1 one out I will keep it as a spare & probably try a D2 sometime later in the year as addit backup. I only haven't used it on the 682 because it is palying fine & I don't mess with anything if it is working OK > Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:23:05 -0500> From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded?> > Dave,> > If you would like to exchange the D-1 for the D-2, no problem. I will be > happy to do that! Fred M> > Dave Bowley wrote:> > > Tom> >> > LIke I suspect quite a few others I had only just 'invested' in the > > 8096-D when the D2 then was announced & became available pretty > > quickly. Haven't yet even fitted the new 8096D as the 682 is > > performing fine ay the moment so Fred's vg offer hasn't tempted me [yet].> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Brucker" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:30 PM> > Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded?> >> >> >> I'm going to sound like a commercial here, but believe me I'm not > >> posting a sales pitch. The pushing many of us have done to find an > >> affordable source for the C8096C belt has produced excellent results. > >> I do not understand why there has been so little NakTalk comment, and > >> according to Fred, very few orders.> >> Please, if any of you have questions or comments, write NakTalk about > >> it.> >>> >> --Is the belt too expensive?> >> --Is it too good to believe?> >> --Are you tired of this topic?> >> --Is this something you never really needed?> >> --Are you waiting for more test information?> >> --Do you think Fred will live longer than you and always have belts > >> in stock? *> >>> >> My recommendation is to buy 2 belts per classic deck you own. One > >> belt will keep your deck working, and the second will insure that you > >> can sell the deck if that time comes. A new belt performs well for > >> about 6 years. Symptoms of stretched belts are subtle increases in > >> flutter, audible on solo violin or piano as a thickening of timbre. > >> More stretching causes a few seconds of high frequency drop out when > >> going from stop to play. Even if you do not intend to service your > >> deck this year, buy a belt. Put it in your Christmas stocking.> >>> >> * I feel a certain amount of fatalism is appropriate.> >>> >> tom brucker> >>> >> Hi Tech Service> >> 2934 Nolensville Rd.> >> Nashville, TN 37211> >> hitech77 at earthlink.net> >> hitech at bellsouth.net> >> 615-331-9241> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________> >> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence> >> http://www.netintelligence.com/email> >>> >>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.> >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com> >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1627 - Release Date: > >> 22/08/2008 06:48> >>> >>> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Win a voice over part with Kung Fu Panda & Live Search   and   100’s of Kung Fu Panda prizes to win with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571439/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Aug 23 18:37:50 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:37:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? In-Reply-To: <211ca5a30808221219h6462d7eem4d52681f71496610@mail.gmail.com> References: <17365745.1219354226449.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <211ca5a30808221219h6462d7eem4d52681f71496610@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B03CDE.9050109@marrscommunications.com> Hi James ! If you want to exchange your "D" for the "D2" just let me know. Thanks, Fred M James Brodsky wrote: >I actually e-mailed Fred about a week ago to get one of these belts to >try in my 480 - I currently have the previous edition of the belt and >wanted to try the very latest. But I didn't hear back. > >So Fred - here's a sale for you if you contact me off list. :) > >-jb > >On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > > >>I'm going to sound like a commercial here, but believe me I'm not posting a sales pitch. The pushing many of us have done to find an affordable source for the C8096C belt has produced excellent results. I do not understand why there has been so little NakTalk comment, and according to Fred, very few orders. >>Please, if any of you have questions or comments, write NakTalk about it. >> >>--Is the belt too expensive? >>--Is it too good to believe? >>--Are you tired of this topic? >>--Is this something you never really needed? >>--Are you waiting for more test information? >>--Do you think Fred will live longer than you and always have belts in stock? * >> >>My recommendation is to buy 2 belts per classic deck you own. One belt will keep your deck working, and the second will insure that you can sell the deck if that time comes. A new belt performs well for about 6 years. Symptoms of stretched belts are subtle increases in flutter, audible on solo violin or piano as a thickening of timbre. More stretching causes a few seconds of high frequency drop out when going from stop to play. Even if you do not intend to service your deck this year, buy a belt. Put it in your Christmas stocking. >> >>* I feel a certain amount of fatalism is appropriate. >> >>tom brucker >> >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>hitech77 at earthlink.net >>hitech at bellsouth.net >>615-331-9241 >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfallon at windstream.net Sat Aug 23 19:06:51 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:06:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Used tapes clearance Message-ID: <20080823170651.ZIZP13398.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> I have a few cases of tapes that I am selling. First up are 30 Maxell XLII-S tapes (6 100s and 24 90s). These tapes have all been played just a handful of times on home Nak decks. Asking $25, including postage. Also have a box of various new tapes still in the wrappers. eight pak of Maxell XLII 90 four pak of TDK MA110 four Maxell XLII60 (loose) seven Maxell XLII 90 (loose) one TDK MA110 six Maxell XLII 110 two unwrapped but unused Maxell XLII 90 Thirty two new tapes for $35 including postage. thanks, Mike From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 23 21:15:37 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:15:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? In-Reply-To: References: <17365745.1219354226449.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <004001c904a5$6780f7b0$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> <48B01D49.1050205@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <48B061D9.4010907@sbcglobal.net> Don't forget, the D belt is a perfect replacement for a CR3. So if you have a CR3 and a D belt, keep the D belt. Warren Dave Bowley wrote: > Thanks for the offer Fred > > It wasn't a gibe [really]. As Andy has already tried the D1 one out I > will keep it as a spare & probably try a D2 sometime later in the year > as addit backup. > > I only haven't used it on the 682 because it is palying fine & I don't > mess with anything if it is working OK > > > > > Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:23:05 -0500 > > From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? > > > > Dave, > > > > If you would like to exchange the D-1 for the D-2, no problem. I > will be > > happy to do that! Fred M > > > > Dave Bowley wrote: > > > > > Tom > > > > > > LIke I suspect quite a few others I had only just 'invested' in the > > > 8096-D when the D2 then was announced & became available pretty > > > quickly. Haven't yet even fitted the new 8096D as the 682 is > > > performing fine ay the moment so Fred's vg offer hasn't tempted me > [yet]. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Brucker" > > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:30 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? > > > > > > > > >> I'm going to sound like a commercial here, but believe me I'm not > > >> posting a sales pitch. The pushing many of us have done to find an > > >> affordable source for the C8096C belt has produced excellent > results. > > >> I do not understand why there has been so little NakTalk comment, > and > > >> according to Fred, very few orders. > > >> Please, if any of you have questions or comments, write NakTalk > about > > >> it. > > >> > > >> --Is the belt too expensive? > > >> --Is it too good to believe? > > >> --Are you tired of this topic? > > >> --Is this something you never really needed? > > >> --Are you waiting for more test information? > > >> --Do you think Fred will live longer than you and always have belts > > >> in stock? * > > >> > > >> My recommendation is to buy 2 belts per classic deck you own. One > > >> belt will keep your deck working, and the second will insure that > you > > >> can sell the deck if that time comes. A new belt performs well for > > >> about 6 years. Symptoms of stretched belts are subtle increases in > > >> flutter, audible on solo violin or piano as a thickening of timbre. > > >> More stretching causes a few seconds of high frequency drop out when > > >> going from stop to play. Even if you do not intend to service your > > >> deck this year, buy a belt. Put it in your Christmas stocking. > > >> > > >> * I feel a certain amount of fatalism is appropriate. > > >> > > >> tom brucker > > >> > > >> Hi Tech Service > > >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > >> Nashville, TN 37211 > > >> hitech77 at earthlink.net > > >> hitech at bellsouth.net > > >> 615-331-9241 > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> > > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> > > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >> > > >> > > >> ______________________________________________ > > >> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > > >> http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > >> > > >> > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1627 - Release Date: > > >> 22/08/2008 06:48 > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone Try it Now! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfallon at windstream.net Sat Aug 23 21:28:25 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:28:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Used tapes clearance Message-ID: <20080823192825.ISZO13398.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> The two boxes of tapes are sold. I'll gather up a few more cases, sort them out and list a couple more offer tomorrow. thanks, Mike > > From: > Date: 2008/08/23 Sat PM 01:06:51 EDT > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Used tapes clearance > > I have a few cases of tapes that I am selling. > First up are 30 Maxell XLII-S tapes (6 100s and 24 90s). These tapes have all been played just a handful of times on home Nak decks. > Asking $25, including postage. > > Also have a box of various new tapes still in the wrappers. > eight pak of Maxell XLII 90 > four pak of TDK MA110 > four Maxell XLII60 (loose) > seven Maxell XLII 90 (loose) > one TDK MA110 > six Maxell XLII 110 > two unwrapped but unused Maxell XLII 90 > > Thirty two new tapes for $35 including postage. > > thanks, > Mike > From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sat Aug 23 23:00:42 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 682zx azimuth alignment procedure In-Reply-To: <969878.97456.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <650358.28801.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I just had a 682zx repaired by Willy and if I understand you correctly you have the similar failure warning I had. The auto calibrate can fail for many reasons and the flash is telling you it is failing (the user manual describes this). Maybe Willy can give you some suggestions of what to check since he has just gone through mine. It was several problems in mine including capstan belt and bad TTL chip. He tore down the transport and replaced idler, control belt, capstan belt, realigned and lubed etc. He also readjusted some electronic parameters. It was not a simple job and a couple hours labor alone. David --- On Sat, 8/23/08, kannan srinivasaraghavan > > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, EL34GUY at aol.com > wrote: > > From: EL34GUY at aol.com > Subject: [naktalk] 682zx azimuth alignment procedure > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 8:50 PM > > > > Hello, > > I have a(new to me) 682zx that appears to go into azimuth > alignment error every time I go into the procedure. It runs > through about 10 clicks on the tape counter and then stops > and flashes without rewinding. This is for type 2 tapes like > the TDK SA and UDXLII Maxells. I did the manual bias adjust > as well and it needed very little adjustment. > > Any ideas where to start on this or am I doing > something incomplete here? Any feedback would be great and > appreciated. > > Thankyou > > Mark > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 15:16:34 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 06:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? Message-ID: <470472.33151.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, Yes so right you are when you say the timber changes and highs drop out with old belts.  They certainly do with decks running on old sticky ones. I had replaced my ZX9 belt a few months ago and was shocked and very pleasantly surprised at the sound improvement. Of course, it was with an ESL belt. This made me replace the belts on my other belt driven decks. ESL Belts again, of course. Man was I impressed! Friends, please do your decks and yourself a huge favor. Replace these belts every 5 years and you will have a superb sounding deck. If Fred's belts are that good, please use them, but do not torture your 25 year + decks on old rubber. Enjoy Naking. Ram --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Tom Brucker wrote: From: Tom Brucker Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 5:30 PM I'm going to sound like a commercial here, but believe me I'm not posting a sales pitch. The pushing many of us have done to find an affordable source for the C8096C belt has produced excellent results. I do not understand why there has been so little NakTalk comment, and according to Fred, very few orders. Please, if any of you have questions or comments, write NakTalk about it. --Is the belt too expensive? --Is it too good to believe? --Are you tired of this topic? --Is this something you never really needed? --Are you waiting for more test information? --Do you think Fred will live longer than you and always have belts in stock? * My recommendation is to buy 2 belts per classic deck you own. One belt will keep your deck working, and the second will insure that you can sell the deck if that time comes. A new belt performs well for about 6 years. Symptoms of stretched belts are subtle increases in flutter, audible on solo violin or piano as a thickening of timbre. More stretching causes a few seconds of high frequency drop out when going from stop to play. Even if you do not intend to service your deck this year, buy a belt. Put it in your Christmas stocking. * I feel a certain amount of fatalism is appropriate. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 16:26:25 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The "D" belt Message-ID: <504168.25804.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> How about this; instead of another fruitless discussion on whether of not Fred's "D" belt is the genuine article and assassinating Fred's character again....everyone here with a classic transport that the "D" belt fits, buy at least two belts. I'm going with Tom's recommendation and the fact that Fred has done this for us Nak freaks. Even on a budget, anyone with the appropriate Nak should be able to afford two belts-come on guys. Kevin Perryinva at aol.com wrote: > Well yeah, I just bought and installed 3 "new" D belts after all the > hype & insistance that THAT belt is the best you can get next to an > OEM C belt, and it works great etc, etc,...WTF!!! 2 months later the > D2 is the REAL deal...maybe I should wait for the D3!!!!, I mean, I > know it sucks for Fred, but there wer like a thousand posta that it > was made by the original OEM, nothing would ever come out any > better..I mean I even bouht SPARES or the D....I'll have to really > think about buying the D2... > From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 18:48:01 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The "D" belt In-Reply-To: <504168.25804.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56408.68081.qm@web50502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'm very happy that a replacement belt has been found and I'm also very thankful for all of the techs etc. who made measurements, both on the other belts that didn't measure up and the measurements that helped provide the specs for the now correct replacement belt. Had they not engaged in that "discussion" there would still be no alternative to the ESL belt that is on spec. Good job guys! David --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: > From: Kevin Fetner > Subject: [naktalk] The "D" belt > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 7:26 AM > How about this; instead of another fruitless discussion on > whether of not Fred's "D" belt is the genuine > article and assassinating Fred's character > again....everyone here with a classic transport that the > "D" belt fits, buy at least two belts. I'm > going with Tom's recommendation and the fact that Fred > has done this for us Nak freaks. > > Even on a budget, anyone with the appropriate Nak should be > able to afford two belts-come on guys. > > Kevin > > Perryinva at aol.com wrote: > > > Well yeah, I just bought and installed 3 > "new" D belts after all the > > hype & insistance that THAT belt is the best you > can get next to an > > OEM C belt, and it works great etc, etc,...WTF!!! 2 > months later the > > D2 is the REAL deal...maybe I should wait for the > D3!!!!, I mean, I > > know it sucks for Fred, but there wer like a thousand > posta that it > > was made by the original OEM, nothing would ever come > out any > > better..I mean I even bouht SPARES or the > D....I'll have to really > > think about buying the D2... > > > From badanth at aim.com Sun Aug 24 19:29:34 2008 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:29:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The "D" belt In-Reply-To: <504168.25804.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <504168.25804.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CAD4261BB45D39-AC4-9A3A@webmail-nf05.sim.aol.com> Excuse me but, how does one obtain these belts? Thanks, Anthony -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:26 am Subject: [naktalk] The "D" belt How about this; instead of another fruitless discussion on whether of not Fred's "D" belt is the genuine article and assassinating Fred's character again....everyone here with a classic transport that the "D" belt fits, buy at least two belts. I'm going with Tom's recommendation and the fact that Fred has done this for us Nak freaks. Even on a budget, anyone with the appropriate Nak should be able to afford two belts-come on guys. Kevin Perryinva at aol.com wrote: > Well yeah, I just bought and installed 3 "new" D belts after all the > hype & insistance that THAT belt is the best you can get next to an > OEM C belt, and it works great etc, etc,...WTF!!! 2 months later the > D2 is the REAL deal...maybe I should wait for the D3!!!!, I mean, I > know it sucks for Fred, but there wer like a thousand posta that it > was made by the original OEM, nothing would ever come out any > better..I mean I even bouht SPARES or the D....I'll have to really > think about buying the D2... > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Sun Aug 24 19:30:24 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:30:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? In-Reply-To: <470472.33151.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <470472.33151.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48B19AB0.4020104@verizon.net> I am so glad I read NakTalk... Every day I learn something new. Until now, I assumed in my innocence that as long as tape speed is accurate and W&F within specs, the belt is good. I now learn that the belt affects sound quality (highs drop out and -- I assume -- the bass loses authority and the music becomes less involving). In short, when a belt reaches the age of five, it should be replaced on the spot. My old 582 (classic transport) was something special, indeed -- went over 15 years with the original belt. My current CR-7 (Sankyo transport) is just as spectacular. Belt is 8 years old, yet W&F are inaudible, speed is within 0.5% and highs are exactly where they're supposed to be. Never mind, I'll replace it tomorrow. Along with every capacitor in sight. -- Ron shanti ramachandran wrote: > Tom, > > Yes so right you are when you say the timber changes and highs drop > out with old belts. They certainly do with decks running on old > sticky ones. > > I had replaced my ZX9 belt a few months ago and was shocked and very > pleasantly surprised at the sound improvement. Of course, it was with > an ESL belt. > > This made me replace the belts on my other belt driven decks. ESL > Belts again, of course. Man was I impressed! > > Friends, please do your decks and yourself a huge favor. Replace these > belts every 5 years and you will have a superb sounding deck. > If Fred's belts are that good, please use them, but do not torture > your 25 year + decks on old rubber. > > Enjoy Naking. > > Ram > > > > > > --- On *Thu, 8/21/08, Tom Brucker //* wrote: > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 5:30 PM > > I'm going to sound like a commercial here, but believe me I'm not > posting a sales pitch. The pushing many of us have done to find an affordable > source for the C8096C belt has produced excellent > results. I do not understand > why there has been so little NakTalk comment, and according to Fred, very few > orders. > Please, if any of you have questions or comments, write NakTalk about it. > > --Is the belt too expensive? > --Is it too good to believe? > --Are you tired of this topic? > --Is this something you never really needed? > --Are you waiting for more test information? > --Do you think Fred will live longer than you and always have belts in stock? * > > My > recommendation is to buy 2 belts per classic deck you own. One belt will > keep your deck working, and the second will insure that you can sell the deck if > that time comes. A new belt performs well for about 6 years. Symptoms of > stretched belts are subtle increases in flutter, audible on solo violin or piano > as a thickening of timbre. More stretching causes a few seconds of high > frequency drop out when going from stop to play. Even if you do not intend > to > service your deck this year, buy a belt. Put it in your Christmas stocking. > > * I feel a certain amount of fatalism is appropriate. > > tom brucker > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 24 23:23:46 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:23:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Bottom Metal Plate Needed Message-ID: I just purchased a ZX-7 cassette deck yesterday. The bottom metal plate is missing. This is the plate in which the four feet go into (dimensions of the plate is approx. 17" X 12"). If anyone is parting out a deck and has one available in the U.S., please contact me directly. Also - won't the LX series cassette decks have an identical plate? 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Get the 8096D2. 2008/8/24 : > Excuse me but, how does one obtain these belts? > > Thanks, > > Anthony > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Fetner > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:26 am > Subject: [naktalk] The "D" belt > > How about this; instead of another fruitless discussion on whether of not > Fred's > "D" belt is the genuine article and assassinating Fred's character > again....everyone here with a classic transport that the "D" belt fits, buy > at > least two belts. I'm going with Tom's recommendation and the fact that Fred > has > done this for us Nak freaks. > > Even on a budget, anyone with the appropriate Nak should be able to afford > two > belts-come on guys. > > Kevin > > Perryinva at aol.com wrote: > >> Well yeah, I just bought and installed 3 "new" D belts after all the >> hype & insistance that THAT belt is the best you can get next to an >> OEM C belt, and it works great etc, etc,...WTF!!! 2 months later the >> D2 is the REAL deal...maybe I should wait for the D3!!!!, I mean, I >> know it sucks for Fred, but there wer like a thousand posta that it >> was made by the original OEM, nothing would ever come out any >> better..I mean I even bouht SPARES or the D....I'll have to really >> think about buying the D2... >> > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ________________________________ > Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices & More! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 25 06:12:09 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:12:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Bottom Metal Plate Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <082520080412.21464.48B231190002451C000053D822230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> What is the deck resting on??? Please don't tell me its the main PCB board!!! -------------- Original message from Mark Exstedt : -------------- I just purchased a ZX-7 cassette deck yesterday. The bottom metal plate is missing. This is the plate in which the four feet go into (dimensions of the plate is approx. 17" X 12"). If anyone is parting out a deck and has one available in the U.S., please contact me directly. Also - won't the LX series cassette decks have an identical plate? Or even the Dragon? Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows®. Make your smash hit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 25 06:15:50 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:15:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? In-Reply-To: <48B19AB0.4020104@verizon.net> References: <470472.33151.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48B19AB0.4020104@verizon.net> Message-ID: <082520080415.26044.48B231F4000EBBD7000065BC22230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> You might need good eye sight, a steady hand and gobs of luck that something else doesn't go kaput along the way.... -------------- Original message from Ron : -------------- I am so glad I read NakTalk... Every day I learn something new. Until now, I assumed in my innocence that as long as tape speed is accurate and W&F within specs, the belt is good. I now learn that the belt affects sound quality (highs drop out and -- I assume -- the bass loses authority and the music becomes less involving). In short, when a belt reaches the age of five, it should be replaced on the spot. My old 582 (classic transport) was something special, indeed -- went over 15 years with the original belt. My current CR-7 (Sankyo transport) is just as spectacular. Belt is 8 years old, yet W&F are inaudible, speed is within 0.5% and highs are exactly where they're supposed to be. Never mind, I'll replace it tomorrow. Along with every capacitor in sight. -- Ron shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, Yes so right you are when you say the timber changes and highs drop out with old belts. They certainly do with decks running on old sticky ones. I had replaced my ZX9 belt a few months ago and was shocked and very pleasantly surprised at the sound improvement. Of course, it was with an ESL belt. This made me replace the belts on my other belt driven decks. ESL Belts again, of course. Man was I impressed! Friends, please do your decks and yourself a huge favor. Replace these belts every 5 years and you will have a superb sounding deck. If Fred's belts are that good, please use them, but do not torture your 25 year + decks on old rubber. Enjoy Naking. Ram --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Tom Brucker wrote: From: Tom Brucker Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 5:30 PM I'm going to sound like a commercial here, but believe me I'm not posting a sales pitch. The pushing many of us have done to find an affordable source for the C8096C belt has produced excellent results. I do not understand why there has been so little NakTalk comment, and according to Fred, very few orders. Please, if any of you have questions or comments, write NakTalk about it. --Is the belt too expensive? --Is it too good to believe? --Are you tired of this topic? --Is this something you never really needed? --Are you waiting for more test information? --Do you think Fred will live longer than you and always have belts in stock? * My recommendation is to buy 2 belts per classic deck you own. One belt will keep your deck working, and the second will insure that you can sell the deck if that time comes. A new belt performs well for about 6 years. Symptoms of stretched belts are subtle increases in flutter, audible on solo violin or piano as a thickening of timbre. More stretching causes a few seconds of high frequency drop out when going from stop to play. Even if you do not intend to service your deck this year, buy a belt. Put it in your Christmas stocking. * I feel a certain amount of fatalism is appropriate. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 25 15:07:04 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:07:04 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] ZX-7 Bottom Metal Plate Needed In-Reply-To: <082520080412.21464.48B231190002451C000053D822230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> References: <082520080412.21464.48B231190002451C000053D822230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: The frame around the sides keeps the deck clearly away from resting on any circuit board. After purchasing, I screwed in four peg stands in the bottom, so the deck is elevated. From: ddino77 at bellsouth.netTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 Bottom Metal Plate NeededDate: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:12:09 +0000 What is the deck resting on??? Please don't tell me its the main PCB board!!! -------------- Original message from Mark Exstedt : -------------- I just purchased a ZX-7 cassette deck yesterday. The bottom metal plate is missing. This is the plate in which the four feet go into (dimensions of the plate is approx. 17" X 12"). If anyone is parting out a deck and has one available in the U.S., please contact me directly. Also - won't the LX series cassette decks have an identical plate? Or even the Dragon? Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows®. Make your smash hit _________________________________________________________________ Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with Windows®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588800/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 25 16:34:38 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:34:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? Message-ID: <17102734.1219674878520.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Mon Aug 25 20:27:50 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:27:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? In-Reply-To: <17102734.1219674878520.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17102734.1219674878520.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom, On Aug 25, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Can anyone think of a DIY test for excesively tight or loose > belts? What would be neat is to replace those 0.2% W/F generics > with a D2, and listen to the comments. > How about that old recording studio standby, the piano chord listening test? A tried-and-true field test that goes back to the days of acoustic-mechanical recording equipment! Recordings of piano chords, or of solo harpsichord, make flutter-and-wow immediately apparent to even a casual listener. True, you won't be able to make an exact measurement of flutter-and-wow, but you can make an excellent comparison of the relative magnitude of flutter-and-wow caused by different belts. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Aug 25 17:47:47 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:47:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? In-Reply-To: <17102734.1219674878520.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.s a.earthlink.net> References: <17102734.1219674878520.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080825154745.CYZY11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Tom, To be honest, only people with the proper equipment would be able to construct any type of a DIY test. I understand your response is really to Ron and his 'tongue in cheek' comment. I'm guessing that most in this group have some sort of test equipment to measure when a belt drifts out of spec. For the rest of us poor people (chuckle, chuckle), replacing a belt on a per hours use basis combined with the time of service for the belt. In other words, a belt with 4 years of service and 3000 hours of play would prove to be in need of replacement such as a belt that has 10 years of service with 300 hours playtime. Figures are just those off the top of my head and have no real world values. > Can anyone think of a DIY test for excesively tight or loose > belts? What would be neat is to replace those 0.2% W/F generics > with a D2, and listen to the comments. > >tom brucker > Roland From willyherm at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 17:48:12 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:48:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? In-Reply-To: <17102734.1219674878520.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48b2d44b.2a528c0a.1ff5.fffff28a@mx.google.com> Tom - I find that anything in my music collection with a nearly pure tone - french horn or flute - will audibly show higher wow and flutter. With a little experience you can guess the w/f numbers fairly accurately with this listening test. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:35 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; shantiram2000 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? Ron, I suspect you may be a bit "tongue in cheek". I'd say 5 years belt life is quite conservative. Ram has a 1000ZXL Limited on hand and listens to music every day, so his entire Nak collection must perform at the highest expected level. Worn belts gradually increase wow and flutter, and it will be noticeable only to those very familiar with the music they play. You won't hear the changes with Rock and Roll. Last year I compared the various C8096 belts and substitutes on the test bench, and included a worn, but "working" original C8096C belt. The worn belt out -performed all but the Kenwood and an OEM 8096C. The 8096D is expensive. The key question is what value does it hold? For a good sounding deck, the belt only assures excellent performance at some future date. I recommend that all eBay "recently serviced " decks be checked visually for substitute belts. Can anyone think of a DIY test for excesively tight or loose belts? What would be neat is to replace those 0.2% W/F generics with a D2, and listen to the comments. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Ron Sent: Aug 24, 2008 12:30 PM To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? I am so glad I read NakTalk... Every day I learn something new. Until now, I assumed in my innocence that as long as tape speed is accurate and W&F within specs, the belt is good. I now learn that the belt affects sound quality (highs drop out and -- I assume -- the bass loses authority and the music becomes less involving). In short, when a belt reaches the age of five, it should be replaced on the spot. My old 582 (classic transport) was something special, indeed -- went over 15 years with the original belt. My current CR-7 (Sankyo transport) is just as spectacular. Belt is 8 years old, yet W&F are inaudible, speed is within 0.5% and highs are exactly where they're supposed to be. Never mind, I'll replace it tomorrow. Along with every capacitor in sight. -- Ron shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, Yes so right you are when you say the timber changes and highs drop out with old belts. They certainly do with decks running on old sticky ones. I had replaced my ZX9 belt a few months ago and was shocked and very pleasantly surprised at the sound improvement. Of course, it was with an ESL belt. This made me replace the belts on my other belt driven decks. ESL Belts again, of course. Man was I impressed! Friends, please do your decks and yourself a huge favor. Replace these belts every 5 years and you will have a superb sounding deck. If Fred's belts are that good, please use them, but do not torture your 25 year + decks on old rubber. Enjoy Naking. Ram --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Tom Brucker wrote: From: Tom Brucker Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 5:30 PM I'm going to sound like a commercial here, but believe me I'm not posting a sales pitch. The pushing many of us have done to find an affordable source for the C8096C belt has produced excellent results. I do not understand why there has been so little NakTalk comment, and according to Fred, very few orders. Please, if any of you have questions or comments, write NakTalk about it. --Is the belt too expensive? --Is it too good to believe? --Are you tired of this topic? --Is this something you never really needed? --Are you waiting for more test information? --Do you think Fred will live longer than you and always have belts in stock? * My recommendation is to buy 2 belts per classic deck you own. One belt will keep your deck working, and the second will insure that you can sell the deck if that time comes. A new belt performs well for about 6 years. Symptoms of stretched belts are subtle increases in flutter, audible on solo violin or piano as a thickening of timbre. More stretching causes a few seconds of high frequency drop out when going from stop to play. Even if you do not intend to service your deck this year, buy a belt. Put it in your Christmas stocking. * I feel a certain amount of fatalism is appropriate. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Aug 25 18:18:01 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:18:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? In-Reply-To: <17102734.1219674878520.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17102734.1219674878520.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48B2DB39.2080700@verizon.net> Tom, I do object to excessive/obsessive servicing of equipment. I believe in the old adage of 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'. I have seen quite of few cases of well meaning owners wreaking unnecessary DIY havoc in equipment, and I am sure that so have you. To the point under discussion: I have never seen a 5 year old belt to require replacement. Regular use (recording and PB) extends belt life (though frequent FF and REW can eventually shorten it, but this is not common practice). I have yet to see a belt become sticky in five years (BTW, I live in an extreme weather area, as do most of the decks that I see). You are absolutely right, W&F don't show up in rock and roll music. I listen mostly to classical music and find that solo piano is a rigorous test. As to speed accuracy, it is easy to see whether a piece actually takes the noted time to complete. When speed is accurate and W&F inaudible, the belt is good. BTW, the same observations hold for turntable belts. In addition, platter start up time is a good measure of belt condition. -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > > Ron, > > I suspect you may be a bit "tongue in cheek". I'd say 5 years belt > life is quite conservative. Ram has a 1000ZXL Limited on hand and > listens to music every day, so his entire Nak collection must perform > at the highest expected level. Worn belts gradually increase wow and > flutter, and it will be noticeable only to those very familiar with > the music they play. You won't hear the changes with Rock and Roll. > Last year I compared the various C8096 belts and substitutes on the > test bench, and included a worn, but "working" original C8096C belt. > The worn belt out -performed all but the Kenwood and an OEM 8096C. > The 8096D is expensive. The key question is what value does it hold? > For a good sounding deck, the belt only assures excellent performance > at some future date. I recommend that all eBay "recently serviced > " decks be checked visually for substitute belts. > > Can anyone think of a DIY test for excesively tight or loose belts? > What would be neat is to replace those 0.2% W/F generics with a D2, > and listen to the comments. > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > Sent: Aug 24, 2008 12:30 PM > To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? > > > I am so glad I read NakTalk... Every day I learn something > new. Until now, I assumed in my innocence that as long as > tape speed is accurate and W&F within specs, the belt > is good. I now learn that the belt affects sound quality > (highs drop out and -- I assume -- the bass loses authority > and the music becomes less involving). In short, when a belt > reaches the age of five, it should be replaced on the spot. > > My old 582 (classic transport) was something special, > indeed -- went over 15 years with the original belt. My > current CR-7 (Sankyo transport) is just as spectacular. > Belt is 8 years old, yet W&F are inaudible, speed is > within 0.5% and highs are exactly where they're > supposed to be. > > Never mind, I'll replace it tomorrow. Along with every > capacitor in sight. > > -- Ron > > > > shanti ramachandran wrote: >> Tom, >> >> Yes so right you are when you say the timber changes and highs >> drop out with old belts. They certainly do with decks running on >> old sticky ones. >> >> I had replaced my ZX9 belt a few months ago and was shocked and >> very pleasantly surprised at the sound improvement. Of course, it >> was with an ESL belt. >> >> This made me replace the belts on my other belt driven decks. ESL >> Belts again, of course. Man was I impressed! >> >> Friends, please do your decks and yourself a huge favor. Replace >> these belts every 5 years and you will have a superb sounding deck. >> If Fred's belts are that good, please use them, but do not >> torture your 25 year + decks on old rubber. >> >> Enjoy Naking. >> >> Ram >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On *Thu, 8/21/08, Tom Brucker //* wrote: >> From: Tom Brucker >> Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? >> To: "naktalk at naks.com" >> Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 5:30 PM >> >> I'm going to sound like a commercial here, but believe me I'm not >> posting a sales pitch. The pushing many of us have done to find an affordable >> source for the C8096C belt has produced excellent >> results. I do not understand >> why there has been so little NakTalk comment, and according to Fred, very few >> orders. >> Please, if any of you have questions or comments, write NakTalk about it. >> >> --Is the belt too expensive? >> --Is it too good to believe? >> --Are you tired of this topic? >> --Is this something you never really needed? >> --Are you waiting for more test information? >> --Do you think Fred will live longer than you and always have belts in stock? * >> >> My >> recommendation is to buy 2 belts per classic deck you own. One belt will >> keep your deck working, and the second will insure that you can sell the deck if >> that time comes. A new belt performs well for about 6 years. Symptoms of >> stretched belts are subtle increases in flutter, audible on solo violin or piano >> as a thickening of timbre. More stretching causes a few seconds of high >> frequency drop out when going from stop to play. Even if you do not intend >> to >> service your deck this year, buy a belt. Put it in your Christmas stocking. >> >> * I feel a certain amount of fatalism is appropriate. >> >> tom brucker >> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 >> >> >> > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 25 18:36:38 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fw: Re: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? Message-ID: <44037.30685.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 8/25/08, shanti ramachandran wrote: From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? To: "Tom Brucker" Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 12:17 PM Tom, Thanks for coming to  my rescue! :)  I am not a professional engineer nor do I profess to be one. I am just an avid listener( Lay man if you will)  who like you said, uses his decks almost every day to listen. I do not sit and measure w/f or any of that. I do not know how to nor do I want to know how to. i leave that to the pros. My point in replacing belts was a simple maintenance measure to keep my Naks sounding like they should, as we do in anything mechanical. Any one  can ridicule me. That's perfectly alright by me Tom. I wrote what I believed in all honesty. I am the kind of person who replaces oil/filter  in my car at half the manufacturer's recommended intervals. Its just me! I believe spending $55 for a belt every 5 years is cheap maintenance, and I will not hesitate doing this chore every 5 years and on every one of my decks- Naks and others! It costs $0.03 per day at that price, and in MHO worth every penny! Those who want to do it may and those who do not may not! There is really no need for sarcasm or ridicule here. For those interested, ESL did replace all of my orange Caps in my 680ZX overhaul, in addition to the belts!. Each and every one of them! The deck sounds sweet! Peace all! Enjoy your Naks. --- On Mon, 8/25/08, Tom Brucker wrote: From: Tom Brucker Subject: Re: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" , shantiram2000 at yahoo.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 10:34 AM #yiv1210795149 #yiv79539679 #yiv2044400435 {font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;} Ron,    I suspect you may be a bit "tongue in cheek". I'd say 5 years belt life is quite conservative. Ram has a 1000ZXL Limited on hand and listens to music every day, so his entire Nak collection must perform at the highest expected level.   Worn belts gradually increase wow and flutter, and it will be noticeable only to those very familiar with the music they play. You won't hear the changes with Rock and Roll. Last year I compared the various C8096 belts and substitutes on the test bench, and included a worn, but "working" original C8096C belt. The worn belt out -performed all but the Kenwood and an OEM 8096C.   The 8096D is expensive. The key question is what value does it hold? For a good sounding deck, the belt only assures excellent performance at some future date.    I recommend  that all eBay "recently serviced " decks be checked visually for substitute belts.   Can anyone think of a DIY test for excesively tight or loose belts? What would be neat is to replace those 0.2%  W/F generics with a D2, and listen to the comments. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Ron Sent: Aug 24, 2008 12:30 PM To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? I am so glad I read NakTalk... Every day I learn something new. Until now, I assumed in my innocence that as long as tape speed is accurate and W&F within specs, the belt is good. I now learn that the belt affects sound quality (highs drop out and -- I assume -- the bass loses authority and the music becomes less involving). In short, when a belt reaches the age of five, it should be replaced on the spot. My old 582 (classic transport) was something special, indeed -- went over 15 years with the original belt. My current CR-7 (Sankyo transport) is just as spectacular. Belt is 8 years old, yet W&F are inaudible, speed is within 0.5% and highs are exactly where they're supposed to be. Never mind, I'll replace it tomorrow. Along with every capacitor in sight. -- Ron -------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Aug 25 22:00:00 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:00:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? Message-ID: <9F3745EA-F117-43DC-A849-47C787A89331@alumni.caltech.edu> I think I tend to be more willing to pick up spares on items that generally don't age on the shelf; e. g. a spare oscilloscope tube, power switch, and speaker relay for my Marantz 2600. Now, clearly, in the case of the OEM C belt, that's mostly a moot point as there simply aren't any more being made so whatever you get is going to be "old". It's not completely moot in that Jeff may have better storage conditions than I in ground-level-higher-ozone Los Angeles might have, without temperature control, etc. Ideally they might be sealed in argon in a glass ampoule (but don't break the glass…), but I don't think they're being sold that way. With the D-belt it becomes a question of deciding how long it will continue to be available vs. the storage question above. Perhaps this paranoia is mostly psychological but I've gotten a fair number of parts for things that died in an irrepairable manner completely unrelated to the "commonly used" items.-kby From mfallon at windstream.net Mon Aug 25 21:16:46 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:16:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tape clearance II Message-ID: <20080825191646.CMBS13398.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> the first two offers I made were scooped up quickly. I will be posting more. Right now I'm sorting through what I have and I have a couple things ready to go. In case you are interested, I have 1) Sony tapes -- 19 UX90/8 UX-ES90/3 UCX90 30 tapes total/also included is a hard shell vinyl carry case $40 (includes postage) 2) Maxell tapes -- 35 XLII90 "Epitaxial' style tapes (heavy black shell with gold label)/comes with blue soft shell carry case $45 (includes postage) All tapes are in excellent condition. Probably have not been played more than two or three times/all on Nak equipment in non-smoking environment. thanks Mike From rsup95 at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 22:29:01 2008 From: rsup95 at gmail.com (randy ross) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:29:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nak mr-1 Message-ID: just purchased a nak mr-1. i noticed the hook up in the rear is different than what i'm use to seeing. i know this is a professional deck, but i'm wondering can i use the standard rca cables and can it be hooked up to a regular stereo reciever or amp or do i need special type of cables to hook up to reciever etc... thanks!!!! r.r -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 25 22:56:02 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:56:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? Message-ID: <13726754.1219697762556.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In glass with silica gel packs? I know the plastic bags react eventually. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: "Kimo B. Yap" >Sent: Aug 25, 2008 3:00 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? > >I think I tend to be more willing to pick up spares on items that >generally don't age on the shelf; e. g. a spare >oscilloscope tube, power switch, and speaker relay for my Marantz >2600. Now, clearly, in the >case of the OEM C belt, that's mostly a moot point as there simply >aren't any more being made so whatever you >get is going to be "old". It's not completely moot in that Jeff may >have better storage conditions than I in >ground-level-higher-ozone Los Angeles might have, without temperature >control, etc. Ideally they might >be sealed in argon in a glass ampoule (but don't break the glass…), >but I don't think they're being sold that way. > >With the D-belt it becomes a question of deciding how long it will >continue to be available vs. the storage question >above. > >Perhaps this paranoia is mostly psychological but I've gotten a fair >number of parts for things that died in an irrepairable manner >completely unrelated to the "commonly used" items.-kby > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 25 23:00:10 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:00:10 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] nak mr-1 Message-ID: <18073988.1219698010255.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 00:00:57 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nak mr-1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <848842.20727.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> RR, Check ebay out for a Balanced to RCA adapter.( Its a box) There is one I got which has both output and input adapters, so your playback and recording can be accomplished with an RCA connector to/from your amp. However, the gain in the balanced connector ( if you have a balanced input in your preamp/amp) will be much higher than that when connected through your RCA connectors. The MR 1 was intended to be connected with balanced inputs/outputs. The BX-300 was the RCA counterpart!. Otherwise these are exactly identical decks. Good luck. Ram --- On Mon, 8/25/08, randy ross wrote: From: randy ross Subject: [naktalk] nak mr-1 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 4:29 PM   just purchased a nak mr-1.  i noticed the hook up in the rear is different than what i'm use to seeing.     i know this is a professional deck, but i'm wondering can i use the standard rca cables and can it be hooked up to a regular stereo reciever or amp or do i need special type of cables to hook up to reciever etc...             thanks!!!!                            r.r ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They are pretty common so parts decks are plentiful and you don't have to pay an arm and a leg - wise choice. Now if you would like to trade.... :-) David --- On Mon, 8/25/08, randy ross wrote: > just purchased a nak mr-1. i noticed the hook up in the > rear is different > than what i'm use to seeing. > i know this is a professional deck, but i'm > wondering can i use the > standard rca cables and can it be hooked up to a regular > stereo reciever or > amp or do i need special type of cables to hook up to > reciever etc... > thanks!!!! > r.r From johnwmcmorrow at msn.com Tue Aug 26 00:26:12 2008 From: johnwmcmorrow at msn.com (John McMorrow) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:26:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] motor for 600? In-Reply-To: <61406.72.174.1219702276.squirrel@www.careysmusic.com> References: <61406.72.174.1219702276.squirrel@www.careysmusic.com> Message-ID: Hi I'm selling a 660zx which I've had from new - any interest? Regards John McMorrow> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:11:16 -0600> From: careynall at careysmusic.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] motor for 600?> > anyone know where i can get one? I picked up a nak 600 at a yard sale> and the motor barely moves . It is getting the proper voltage (6.5V if I> remember)> any help is appreciated.> thanks,> carey> -- > mitakuye oyasin (we are all related)> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See U randy ross a écrit : > just purchased a nak mr-1. i noticed the hook up in the rear is > different than what i'm use to seeing. > i know this is a professional deck, but i'm wondering can i use > the standard rca cables and can it be hooked up to a regular stereo > reciever or amp or do i need special type of cables to hook up to > reciever etc... > thanks!!!! > r.r > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yap Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? Perhaps this paranoia is mostly psychological but I've gotten a fair number of parts for things that died in an irrepairable manner completely unrelated to the "commonly used" items.-kby From EL34GUY at aol.com Tue Aug 26 04:03:49 2008 From: EL34GUY at aol.com (EL34GUY at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:03:49 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Used tapes clearance Message-ID: Mike, Whats your address again?? Mark **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue Aug 26 02:43:25 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:43:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The "D" belt In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910808241724p278c2c56pc0f30d6fdd82e70@mail.gmail.com> References: <504168.25804.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <8CAD4261BB45D39-AC4-9A3A@webmail-nf05.sim.aol.com> <17d5ee910808241724p278c2c56pc0f30d6fdd82e70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48B351AD.6090407@marrscommunications.com> Hi Antoine, Please contact me off list for how to purchase the 8096D2. Thanks, Fred M. Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>From Fred Marrs, > >marrscommunications on eBay. Get the 8096D2. > >2008/8/24 : > > >>Excuse me but, how does one obtain these belts? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Anthony >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Kevin Fetner >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Sent: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:26 am >>Subject: [naktalk] The "D" belt >> >>How about this; instead of another fruitless discussion on whether of not >>Fred's >>"D" belt is the genuine article and assassinating Fred's character >>again....everyone here with a classic transport that the "D" belt fits, buy >>at >>least two belts. I'm going with Tom's recommendation and the fact that Fred >>has >>done this for us Nak freaks. >> >>Even on a budget, anyone with the appropriate Nak should be able to afford >>two >>belts-come on guys. >> >>Kevin >> >>Perryinva at aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>Well yeah, I just bought and installed 3 "new" D belts after all the >>>hype & insistance that THAT belt is the best you can get next to an >>>OEM C belt, and it works great etc, etc,...WTF!!! 2 months later the >>>D2 is the REAL deal...maybe I should wait for the D3!!!!, I mean, I >>>know it sucks for Fred, but there wer like a thousand posta that it >>>was made by the original OEM, nothing would ever come out any >>>better..I mean I even bouht SPARES or the D....I'll have to really >>>think about buying the D2... >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>________________________________ >>Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices & More! >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrm12000 at cableone.net Tue Aug 26 03:04:01 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:04:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Parts Paranoia Message-ID: <2859.1219712641@cableone.net> >I can identify with that - in fear of decent cassette tapes vanishing from >the market (which they have by and large) If you need tapes, they are very easy to find at garage, estate and rummage sales, at least where I live. I have come across piles of Cr02 and metal tapes for practically giveaway prices. These include many sealed tapes. Nobody wants them (the people on this list excluded). ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Aug 26 09:15:47 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:15:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Parts Paranoia In-Reply-To: <050101c90749$ad597d60$080c7820$@freeserve.co.uk> References: <9F3745EA-F117-43DC-A849-47C787A89331@alumni.caltech.edu> <03ee01c9070a$52eb9cd0$f8c2d670$@freeserve.co.uk> <050101c90749$ad597d60$080c7820$@freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <051d01c9074b$91a60cd0$b4f22670$@com> I can identify with that - in fear of decent cassette tapes vanishing from the market (which they have by and large) I bought in large stocks of fresh tapes ... and probably now have more than I'll ever need in my lifetime! (I'll have to get serious about these stocks sometime and sell a bit of it. They might realise a bit more than I paid, I suppose, which would be handy because, now I'm not working, $$/££ are not as plentiful as they were! I'd certainly not now be abele to afford all those I bought way back when!) Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? Perhaps this paranoia is mostly psychological but I've gotten a fair number of parts for things that died in an irrepairable manner completely unrelated to the "commonly used" items.-kby From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Aug 26 13:44:28 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:44:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Control motor problems Message-ID: <082620081144.1644.48B3EC9C00011A7B0000066C22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, James: The Radio Shack cleaner is similar (if not exactly the same as) the electronic contact cleaner made by CRC. I have a can of the CRC stuff, and it cleans OK on moving contacts (pots and sliders), but I have been in a few situations where it didn't work and only DeOxit would work. DeOxit really is the very best electronic cleaner I have ever used. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Aug 26 13:55:37 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:55:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Control motor problems Message-ID: <082620081155.22695.48B3EF39000BE536000058A722165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Anthony: I'm sorry for the late comments, I've been out of town.... >From the sound of it, it sounds like your control motor cams weren't exactly aligned with all of the leaf switches and the metal lever when you reassembled. (For the record, that metal lever lifts and lowers the head block.) There should be NO space between the cam and the metal bracket; the cam should not be able to slide along the shaft at all. I'm glad that you got everything working OK again. That little metal shaft that holds the cam piece can be a bit stubborn to get back into place correctly, but as you may have found out, it must go EXACTLY back into place, or the control mechanism may not work correctly. The problem is this: If the shaft is mis-aligned, it may still be possible to re-install the small screw that holds the shaft in place, and the screw may even be able to tighten down -- but don't be fooled by that! That shaft has a little flange on the screw end that is designed to fit down inside the hole on the front of the transport, thus locking the shaft in its proper aligned position. The screw is simply there to keep the shaft from backing out of the hole. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Aug 26 14:01:25 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:01:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nine Inch Nails Message-ID: <082620081201.4349.48B3F0950003B575000010FD22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Tim wrote: "I've booted a number of live shows as well (mostly local bands and then major acts like Nine Inch Nails and the like)." Ah, Nine Inch Nails. Not for everyone, but Trent has made some incredible albums. I still play the first CD on occasion. Excellent angry music. I have a Nine Inch Nails CD single that has a cover of "Get Down, Make Love" by Queen as a bonus track. Have you heard this? It's absolutely killer. *andy* From rsup95 at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 14:25:27 2008 From: rsup95 at gmail.com (randy ross) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:25:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nak mr-1 In-Reply-To: <48B333D6.1010904@free.fr> References: <48B333D6.1010904@free.fr> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: waxtayl Date: Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak mr-1 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks You should use jack to RCA and RCA to jack cables, they are easy to find and rather cheap, just look for them on eBay. Then you will use the great MR-1 (I own one :-) ) just like any other Nak recorder with only RCA connections. MR-1 and BX-300 are very close but the MR-1 seems to be an "improved" version of the BX-300 : power supply for example as it is a unit that is (was...) supposed to be powered 24 hours a day. See U randy ross a écrit : just purchased a nak mr-1. i noticed the hook up in the rear is different than what i'm use to seeing. i know this is a professional deck, but i'm wondering can i use the standard rca cables and can it be hooked up to a regular stereo reciever or amp or do i need special type of cables to hook up to reciever etc... thanks!!!! r.r ------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= thanks, i will try that. i was trying to get the bx-300 on ebay, but stumble over the mr-1,wasn't to familiar with but decided to go with it after finding out it was worth around 1000 dollars back in the day. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Otherwise these are exactly identical > decks. > > Good luck. > > Ram > > --- On *Mon, 8/25/08, randy ross * wrote: > > From: randy ross > Subject: [naktalk] nak mr-1 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 4:29 PM > > > just purchased a nak mr-1. i noticed the hook up in the rear is > different than what i'm use to seeing. > i know this is a professional deck, but i'm wondering can i use the > standard rca cables and can it be hooked up to a regular stereo reciever or > amp or do i need special type of cables to hook up to reciever etc... > thanks!!!! > r.r > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > thank you very much, ram, i will look on ebay today!!! ran -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Aug 26 14:44:53 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:44:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? Message-ID: <082620081244.26603.48B3FAC50003BB90000067EB22155517249C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Ron wrote: "Until now, I assumed in my innocence that as long as tape speed is accurate and W&F within specs, the belt is good. I now learn that the belt affects sound quality (highs drop out and -- I assume -- the bass loses authority and the music becomes less involving). In short, when a belt reaches the age of five, it should be replaced on the spot." Ron: I am assuming two things here: 1) That you are responding to Tom's post that mentioned the symptoms of a stretched capstan belt. 2) That you are disagreeing with Tom's post, since you detailed two decks that ran much longer than Tom's recommended 5-year replacement interval with apparently no significant loss of fidelity. Now here is my response: I don't think that Tom meant his words to be taken quite the way you interpreted them. I am pretty sure that Tom DID NOT mean to say that the capstan belt affects sound quality the same way a tone control setting or choice of speakers might. What I think he DID mean to say was that if a capstan belt is stretched, wow & flutter WILL rise to audible levels, and he gave a couple of examples of instruments that are particularly vulnerable to such increased wow & flutter. (Might I add two more instruments to the list -- female vocals and acoustic guitars. These also can suffer audibly when wow & flutter are too high.) I agree with Tom's assessment. He was talking about sound quality in terms of reproduction stability, not in terms of tonal preference. As for Tom's "6 year rule", I don't think that Tom meant his post to be taken as THE definitive hard-and-fast rule about when to replace a capstan belt. But if a deck is used regularly, then I think 6 years is a good "rule of thumb" marker for checking to make sure the capstan belt is still performing up to spec. Like you, I have a couple of Nakamichi decks that still have their original 8096C belts, and they are performing very well. But these decks have seen relatively little use. I have been lucky in obtaining several decks that have been babied and show almost NO signs of use, so that would seem to explain, at least partly, why these decks can still perform so well with their original capstan belts. On the other hand, I have serviced several decks that needed a new 8096C belt (or its equivalent -- thanks, Fred). A few of these decks DESPERATELY needed a new belt! So it is safe to say that even the 8096C belt, long-lasting though it may be, does have a definite shelf life, and checking one after 6 years of regular use doesn't sound unreasonable to me, especially when maintaining top-shelf fidelity is the goal. *andy* From mrm12000 at cableone.net Tue Aug 26 16:08:08 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:08:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Used tapes clearance Message-ID: <1175.1219759688@cableone.net> Marc Mickelson 8680 N. Oak Forest Dr. Prescott, AZ 86305 >Mike, >  >Whats your address again?? >  >Mark > > >It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From adrian at thegreatbear.net Tue Aug 26 16:35:13 2008 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:35:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 610 preamp meter bulbs / service manual... Message-ID: <5FBD8C0A-1077-4480-B8D2-00363354937B@thegreatbear.net> hi i've just recently purchased a 610 and started to replace the meter bulbs - I'm sure the voltage was 12V at each bulb connection.. Anyway after replacing one bulb it worked for a while then went out as did the rest of the preamp - after removing the bulb the preamp works but DC voltage at the meter bulb terminals is now 8V - Could someone confirm the correct voltage and email a service manual / schematic, if possible... thanks adrian From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Tue Aug 26 17:19:50 2008 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:19:50 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] 660zx Message-ID: <91859EF180ACA649859E8119373DABEE4A337B@uedmbx.UE.com> I bought my refurbished, 'sanktified' if you will, 660zx for about $350... looking for an owners manual for this model specifically... anybody know where I might obtain one??? A ________________________________ From: Dundis, Andy Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:01 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] 660zx John I also own a 660zx but have an OM for a 670zx as no 660zx manual had been available from this site. If you still have your original OM, you might consider scanning a copy for this group, unless it has been added since I last checked... anybody know? regards, Andy (the other) ________________________________ From: John McMorrow [mailto:johnwmcmorrow at msn.com] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 660zx I have a Nakamichi 660zx since new and wondered what the Nak people would think it is worth on the open market since I am selling it now. I've had it since new and it is in good working condition only ever having the capstan/belt replaced. What is the going rate for Metal tapes now? I have loads which are the heavy TDk made of metal type? Regards John Please note that the information and attachments in this email are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy or print the message or its attachments. Notify me at the above address and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you Please note that the information and attachments in this email are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy or print the message or its attachments. Notify me at the above address and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rsup95 at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 14:29:30 2008 From: rsup95 at gmail.com (randy ross) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:29:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nak mr-1 In-Reply-To: <183324.17118.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <183324.17118.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 6:31 PM, fripp_em wrote: > Hi Randy, > > I have two recently serviced MR-2s that don't have this problem. I'll > trade the nicer looking one for your MR-1. > > Couldn't help myself:-). I have the BX-300 which is otherwise this deck > and I really like it. They are pretty common so parts decks are plentiful > and you don't have to pay an arm and a leg - wise choice. > > Now if you would like to trade.... :-) > > David > > > --- On Mon, 8/25/08, randy ross wrote: > > > just purchased a nak mr-1. i noticed the hook up in the > > rear is different > > than what i'm use to seeing. > > i know this is a professional deck, but i'm > > wondering can i use the > > standard rca cables and can it be hooked up to a regular > > stereo reciever or > > amp or do i need special type of cables to hook up to > > reciever etc... > > thanks!!!! > > r.r > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > thanks but no thanks dave!!! just kidding!!! i think all naks decks are great!!! thanks for info. randy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From johnwmcmorrow at msn.com Tue Aug 26 19:41:19 2008 From: johnwmcmorrow at msn.com (John McMorrow) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:41:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 660zx In-Reply-To: <91859EF180ACA649859E8119373DABEE4A337B@uedmbx.UE.com> References: <91859EF180ACA649859E8119373DABEE4A337B@uedmbx.UE.com> Message-ID: I have one. Make me an offer for it or a photo copy your choice and its yours regards John McMorrow Subject: FW: [naktalk] 660zxDate: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:19:50 -0600From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.comTo: naktalk at naks.com I bought my refurbished, ‘sanktified’ if you will, 660zx for about $350… looking for an owners manual for this model specifically… anybody know where I might obtain one??? A From: Dundis, Andy Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:01 PMTo: 'naktalk at naks.com'Subject: RE: [naktalk] 660zx John I also own a 660zx but have an OM for a 670zx as no 660zx manual had been available from this site. If you still have your original OM, you might consider scanning a copy for this group, unless it has been added since I last checked… anybody know? regards, Andy (the other) From: John McMorrow [mailto:johnwmcmorrow at msn.com] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:52 AMTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] 660zx I have a Nakamichi 660zx since new and wondered what the Nak people would think it is worth on the open market since I am selling it now. I've had it since new and it is in good working condition only ever having the capstan/belt replaced.What is the going rate for Metal tapes now? I have loads which are the heavy TDk made of metal type?RegardsJohnPlease note that the information and attachments in this email are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy or print the message or its attachments. Notify me at the above address and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you Please note that the information and attachments in this email are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy or print the message or its attachments. Notify me at the above address and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Tue Aug 26 20:18:15 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 660zx In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <641985.27805.qm@web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You could upload a copy to hifiengine.com. Anyone can create a free account there and download/upload manuals. David --- On Tue, 8/26/08, John McMorrow wrote: > From: John McMorrow > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 660zx > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 10:41 AM > I have one. > Make me an offer for it or a photo copy your choice and its > yours > regards > John McMorrow > > > > Subject: FW: [naktalk] 660zxDate: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:19:50 > -0600From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.comTo: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > > I bought my refurbished, ‘sanktified’ if you will, > 660zx for about $350… looking for an owners manual for > this model > specifically… anybody know where I might obtain one??? > A > > > > > > From: Dundis, Andy Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:01 > PMTo: 'naktalk at naks.com'Subject: RE: [naktalk] 660zx > > John > I also own a 660zx but have an OM for a 670zx as no 660zx > manual had been available from this > site. If you still have your original OM, you might > consider scanning a copy for this group, unless > it has been added since I last checked… anybody know? > regards, > Andy (the other) > > > > > > From: John McMorrow [mailto:johnwmcmorrow at msn.com] Sent: > Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:52 AMTo: > naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] 660zx > > I have a Nakamichi 660zx since new and wondered what the > Nak people would think it is worth on the open market since > I am selling it now. I've had it since new and it is in > good working condition only ever having the capstan/belt > replaced.What is the going rate for Metal tapes now? I have > loads which are the heavy TDk made of metal > type?RegardsJohnPlease note that the information and > attachments in this email are intended for the exclusive use > of the addressee and may contain confidential or privileged > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please > do not forward, copy or print the message or its > attachments. Notify me at the above address and delete this > message and any attachments. Thank you > Please note that the information and attachments in this > email are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee > and may contain confidential or privileged information. If > you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, > copy or print the message or its attachments. Notify me at > the above address and delete this message and any > attachments. Thank you > > From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Aug 27 00:43:09 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belt storage In-Reply-To: <200808261002.m7QA0oCX027264@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <41321.31692.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> OK this is just an educated guess but....it seems there are about four factors that degrade belts: 1.) Damp, cold environment 2.) Sunlight and indirect sunlight 3.) Ozone from the atmosphere 4.) Hot environment So....when buying a spare...how about the Handi-Vac by Reynolds? Put the spare (or spares) into the small bag, use the machine to suck all the air out and then store bag in a cool, dry, dark place? Wouldn't this be about the best of all possible worlds? Kevin From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Aug 27 13:49:11 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:49:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Belt storage Message-ID: <082720081149.16272.48B53F370001308100003F9022120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Kevin wrote: "So....when buying a spare...how about the Handi-Vac by Reynolds? Put the spare (or spares) into the small bag, use the machine to suck all the air out and then store bag in a cool, dry, dark place? Wouldn't this be about the best of all possible worlds?" Sounds reasonable to me, Kevin! *andy* From kearica at aol.com Wed Aug 27 13:54:22 2008 From: kearica at aol.com (kearica at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:54:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Belt storage Message-ID: <598761230-1219838140-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2076098999-@bxe108.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Tyty ------Original Message------ From: Kevin Fetner Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com ReplyTo: shoeihell at yahoo.com ReplyTo: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Aug 26, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: [naktalk] Belt storage OK this is just an educated guess but....it seems there are about four factors that degrade belts: 1.) Damp, cold environment 2.) Sunlight and indirect sunlight 3.) Ozone from the atmosphere 4.) Hot environment So....when buying a spare...how about the Handi-Vac by Reynolds? Put the spare (or spares) into the small bag, use the machine to suck all the air out and then store bag in a cool, dry, dark place? Wouldn't this be about the best of all possible worlds? Kevin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From johnwmcmorrow at msn.com Wed Aug 27 13:58:02 2008 From: johnwmcmorrow at msn.com (John McMorrow) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:58:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Belt storage In-Reply-To: <082720081149.16272.48B53F370001308100003F9022120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <082720081149.16272.48B53F370001308100003F9022120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Yep sounds as though you've sussed that. Now what about sticking your head in as well and preserving a perfect specimen of a geek for posterity?> From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Belt storage > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:49:11 +0000> CC: shoeihell at yahoo.com> > > Kevin wrote:> > "So....when buying a spare...how about the Handi-Vac by Reynolds? Put the spare (or spares) into the small bag, use the machine to suck all the air out and then store bag in a cool, dry, dark place? Wouldn't this be about the best of all possible worlds?"> > > Sounds reasonable to me, Kevin!> > > *andy*> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kearica at aol.com Wed Aug 27 13:57:36 2008 From: kearica at aol.com (kearica at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:57:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Belt storage Message-ID: <942061726-1219838334-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-724382469-@bxe108.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Tyt ------Original Message------ From: Kevin Fetner Sender: naktalk-bounces at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com ReplyTo: shoeihell at yahoo.com ReplyTo: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Aug 26, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: [naktalk] Belt storage OK this is just an educated guess but....it seems there are about four factors that degrade belts: 1.) Damp, cold environment 2.) Sunlight and indirect sunlight 3.) Ozone from the atmosphere 4.) Hot environment So....when buying a spare...how about the Handi-Vac by Reynolds? Put the spare (or spares) into the small bag, use the machine to suck all the air out and then store bag in a cool, dry, dark place? Wouldn't this be about the best of all possible worlds? Kevin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Aug 27 15:16:09 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:16:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belt storage In-Reply-To: <41321.31692.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <41321.31692.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48B55399.8070004@verizon.net> I would add 'contact with air', especially for natural rubber. The handy vac should work. However, I doubt one needs to go to such extreme, unless already available. I simply put rubber parts (natural or synthetic) in a zip bag, drop in a small bag of desiccant (I save those whenever I get a package that contains one) squeeze the air out before sealing and store it in a dark place. I have no scientific proof this works, but OTOH never had a belt or idler tire go bad on me after being stored for several years. -- Ron Kevin Fetner wrote: > OK this is just an educated guess but....it seems there are about four factors that degrade belts: > > 1.) Damp, cold environment > 2.) Sunlight and indirect sunlight > 3.) Ozone from the atmosphere > 4.) Hot environment > > So....when buying a spare...how about the Handi-Vac by Reynolds? Put the spare (or spares) into the small bag, use the machine to suck all the air out and then store bag in a cool, dry, dark place? Wouldn't this be about the best of all possible worlds? > > Kevin > > From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 03:13:54 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? In-Reply-To: <17102734.1219674878520.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <398469.57165.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom, Could belt tension be measure this way... use a stylus gauge, "x" amount of grams at a lift of "x" amount of inches (1/8 or 1/4 inch) or millimeters? Bob N Tom Brucker wrote: body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;} Ron, I suspect you may be a bit "tongue in cheek". I'd say 5 years belt life is quite conservative. Ram has a 1000ZXL Limited on hand and listens to music every day, so his entire Nak collection must perform at the highest expected level. Worn belts gradually increase wow and flutter, and it will be noticeable only to those very familiar with the music they play. You won't hear the changes with Rock and Roll. Last year I compared the various C8096 belts and substitutes on the test bench, and included a worn, but "working" original C8096C belt. The worn belt out -performed all but the Kenwood and an OEM 8096C. The 8096D is expensive. The key question is what value does it hold? For a good sounding deck, the belt only assures excellent performance at some future date. I recommend that all eBay "recently serviced " decks be checked visually for substitute belts. Can anyone think of a DIY test for excesively tight or loose belts? What would be neat is to replace those 0.2% W/F generics with a D2, and listen to the comments. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Ron Sent: Aug 24, 2008 12:30 PM To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? I am so glad I read NakTalk... Every day I learn something new. Until now, I assumed in my innocence that as long as tape speed is accurate and W&F within specs, the belt is good. I now learn that the belt affects sound quality (highs drop out and -- I assume -- the bass loses authority and the music becomes less involving). In short, when a belt reaches the age of five, it should be replaced on the spot. My old 582 (classic transport) was something special, indeed -- went over 15 years with the original belt. My current CR-7 (Sankyo transport) is just as spectacular. Belt is 8 years old, yet W&F are inaudible, speed is within 0.5% and highs are exactly where they're supposed to be. Never mind, I'll replace it tomorrow. Along with every capacitor in sight. -- Ron shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, Yes so right you are when you say the timber changes and highs drop out with old belts. They certainly do with decks running on old sticky ones. I had replaced my ZX9 belt a few months ago and was shocked and very pleasantly surprised at the sound improvement. Of course, it was with an ESL belt. This made me replace the belts on my other belt driven decks. ESL Belts again, of course. Man was I impressed! Friends, please do your decks and yourself a huge favor. Replace these belts every 5 years and you will have a superb sounding deck. If Fred's belts are that good, please use them, but do not torture your 25 year + decks on old rubber. Enjoy Naking. Ram --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Tom Brucker wrote: From: Tom Brucker Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 5:30 PM I'm going to sound like a commercial here, but believe me I'm not posting a sales pitch. The pushing many of us have done to find an affordable source for the C8096C belt has produced excellent results. I do not understand why there has been so little NakTalk comment, and according to Fred, very few orders. Please, if any of you have questions or comments, write NakTalk about it. --Is the belt too expensive? --Is it too good to believe? --Are you tired of this topic? --Is this something you never really needed? --Are you waiting for more test information? --Do you think Fred will live longer than you and always have belts in stock? * My recommendation is to buy 2 belts per classic deck you own. One belt will keep your deck working, and the second will insure that you can sell the deck if that time comes. A new belt performs well for about 6 years. Symptoms of stretched belts are subtle increases in flutter, audible on solo violin or piano as a thickening of timbre. More stretching causes a few seconds of high frequency drop out when going from stop to play. Even if you do not intend to service your deck this year, buy a belt. Put it in your Christmas stocking. * I feel a certain amount of fatalism is appropriate. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 03:20:07 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nak mr-1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <616983.91838.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> r r, I use a 1/4" to RCA adaptors for my 2 MR-1's. May not be the proper way to do it however it works fine for both rec and PB. Bob N randy ross wrote: just purchased a nak mr-1. i noticed the hook up in the rear is different than what i'm use to seeing. i know this is a professional deck, but i'm wondering can i use the standard rca cables and can it be hooked up to a regular stereo reciever or amp or do i need special type of cables to hook up to reciever etc... thanks!!!! r.r ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 13:56:25 2008 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nak mr-1 vs BX-300 In-Reply-To: <616983.91838.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <956226.6337.qm@web83721.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I just wanted to comment that there is another difference between these two decks that I found rather annoying. The MR-1 doesn't give you a manual bias adjust knob, which (if I understand correctly) gives you a lot less flexibility about what tapes you can record to with the ideal settings. Anyone know why they decided to remove that feature? Jesse --- Bob Naylor wrote: > r r, I use a 1/4" to RCA adaptors for my 2 MR-1's. > May not be the proper way to do it however it works > fine for both rec and PB. Bob N > > randy ross wrote: just > purchased a nak mr-1. i noticed the hook up in the > rear is different than what i'm use to seeing. > i know this is a professional deck, but i'm > wondering can i use the standard rca cables and can > it be hooked up to a regular stereo reciever or amp > or do i need special type of cables to hook up to > reciever etc... > thanks!!!! > r.r > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 14:40:25 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:40:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? In-Reply-To: <398469.57165.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <398469.57165.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48B69CB9.9000001@verizon.net> Theoretically, yes. In practice, you'd find it impractical. Personally, I 'measure' with finger ((used to lift the belt a small amount. You may find it inconclusive, but it works for me. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > Tom, Could belt tension be measure this way... use a stylus gauge, > "x" amount of grams at a lift of "x" amount of inches (1/8 or 1/4 > inch) or millimeters? Bob N > > */Tom Brucker /* wrote: > > Ron, > I suspect you may be a bit "tongue in cheek". I'd say 5 years > belt life is quite conservative. Ram has a 1000ZXL Limited on hand > and listens to music every day, so his entire Nak collection must > perform at the highest expected level. Worn belts gradually > increase wow and flutter, and it will be noticeable only to those > very familiar with the music they play. You won't hear the changes > with Rock and Roll. Last year I compared the various C8096 belts > and substitutes on the test bench, and included a worn, but > "working" original C8096C belt. The worn belt out -performed all > but the Kenwood and an OEM 8096C. The 8096D is expensive. The > key question is what value does it hold? For a good sounding deck, > the belt only assures excellent performance at some future > date. I recommend that all eBay "recently serviced " decks be > checked visually for substitute belts. > Can anyone think of a DIY test for excesively tight or loose > belts? What would be neat is to replace those 0.2% W/F generics > with a D2, and listen to the comments. > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > Sent: Aug 24, 2008 12:30 PM > To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? > > > I am so glad I read NakTalk... Every day I learn something > new. Until now, I assumed in my innocence that as long as > tape speed is accurate and W&F within specs, the belt > is good. I now learn that the belt affects sound quality > (highs drop out and -- I assume -- the bass loses authority > and the music becomes less involving). In short, when a belt > reaches the age of five, it should be replaced on the spot. > > My old 582 (classic transport) was something special, > indeed -- went over 15 years with the original belt. My > current CR-7 (Sankyo transport) is just as spectacular. > Belt is 8 years old, yet W&F are inaudible, speed is > within 0.5% and highs are exactly where they're > supposed to be. > > Never mind, I'll replace it tomorrow. Along with every > capacitor in sight. > > -- Ron > > > > shanti ramachandran wrote: >> Tom, >> >> Yes so right you are when you say the timber changes and >> highs drop out with old belts. They certainly do with decks >> running on old sticky ones. >> >> I had replaced my ZX9 belt a few months ago and was shocked >> and very pleasantly surprised at the sound improvement. Of >> course, it was with an ESL belt. >> >> This made me replace the belts on my other belt driven decks. >> ESL Belts again, of course. Man was I impressed! >> >> Friends, please do your decks and yourself a huge favor. >> Replace these belts every 5 years and you will have a superb >> sounding deck. >> If Fred's belts are that good, please use them, but do not >> torture your 25 year + decks on old rubber. >> >> Enjoy Naking. >> >> Ram >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On *Thu, 8/21/08, Tom Brucker //* >> wrote: >> From: Tom Brucker >> Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? >> To: "naktalk at naks.com" >> Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 5:30 PM >> >> I'm going to sound like a >> commercial here, but believe me I'm not posting a sales pitch. The pushing many of us have done to find an affordable source for the C8096C belt has produced excellent results. I do not understand why there has been so little NakTalk comment, and according to Fred, very few orders. Please, if any of you have questions or comments, write NakTalk about it. --Is the belt too expensive? --Is it too good to believe? --Are you tired of this topic? --Is this something you never really needed? --Are you waiting for more test information? --Do you think Fred will live longer than you and always have belts in stock? * My recommendation is to buy 2 belts per classic deck you own. One belt will keep your deck working, and the second will insure that you can sell the deck if that time comes. A new belt performs well for about 6 years. Symptoms of stretched belts are subtle increases in flutter, audible on solo violin or piano as a thickening of timbre. More >> stretching causes a few seconds of high frequency drop out when going from stop to play. Even if you do not intend to service your deck this year, buy a belt. Put it in your Christmas stocking. * I feel a certain amount of fatalism is appropriate. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 >> >> > > Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 14:47:38 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:47:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nak mr-1 In-Reply-To: <616983.91838.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <616983.91838.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48B69E6A.1010600@verizon.net> Actually, it *is* the proper way. At one time, I couldn't locate adapters locally, so I fashioned then from 1/4" Y cables (cut one female leg of the Y, then replaced the other 1/4" jack with an RCA plug).. Came out rather nice and of much higher mechanical quality than those cheesy adapters. A bit more expensive and higher cost, though. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > r r, I use a 1/4" to RCA adaptors for my 2 MR-1's. May not be the > proper way to do it however it works fine for both rec and PB. Bob N > > */randy ross /* wrote: > > just purchased a nak mr-1. i noticed the hook up in the rear is > different than what i'm use to seeing. > i know this is a professional deck, but i'm wondering can i > use the standard rca cables and can it be hooked up to a regular > stereo reciever or amp or do i need special type of cables to hook > up to reciever etc... > thanks!!!! > r.r > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 15:08:14 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Belt storage Message-ID: <276037.56537.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Uhhhhh Ron, I think "ozone" is the real rubber belt killer in air. Hardly "extreme", as I think the Reynolds product set me back a whopping $13 on sale. I think the desiccant is a good idea no matter what else is done. Also, the RC hobby folks but rubber bands in a small container of kitty litter-possibly that serves as a form of desiccant? And thanks John M for the "geek" comment. I see your world is so small that it's become reduced to cheap shots and nothing whatsoever relevant to this board. Kevin Message: 5 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:16:09 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Belt storage To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <48B55399.8070004 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I would add 'contact with air', especially for natural rubber. The handy vac should work. However, I doubt one needs to go to such extreme, unless already available. I simply put rubber parts (natural or synthetic) in a zip bag, drop in a small bag of desiccant (I save those whenever I get a package that contains one) squeeze the air out before sealing and store it in a dark place. I have no scientific proof this works, but OTOH never had a belt or idler tire go bad on me after being stored for several years. -- Ron Message: 3 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:58:02 +0100 From: John McMorrow Subject: RE: [naktalk] Belt storage To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yep sounds as though you've sussed that. Now what about sticking your head in as well and preserving a perfect specimen of a geek for posterity? From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 28 15:40:49 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:40:49 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] nak mr-1 vs BX-300 Message-ID: <11475671.1219930849771.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> A deck used in professional applications will be biased for whatever bulk tape the user chooses, and the calibration is done by in-house engineers. They use the same tape, so fine tuning is not necessary. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: jesse ruff >Sent: Aug 28, 2008 6:56 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak mr-1 vs BX-300 > >I just wanted to comment that there is another >difference between these two decks that I found >rather annoying. The MR-1 doesn't give you a manual >bias adjust knob, which (if I understand correctly) >gives you a lot less flexibility about what tapes you >can record to with the ideal settings. Anyone know >why they decided to remove that feature? >Jesse >--- Bob Naylor wrote: > >> r r, I use a 1/4" to RCA adaptors for my 2 MR-1's. >> May not be the proper way to do it however it works >> fine for both rec and PB. Bob N >> >> randy ross wrote: just >> purchased a nak mr-1. i noticed the hook up in the >> rear is different than what i'm use to seeing. >> i know this is a professional deck, but i'm >> wondering can i use the standard rca cables and can >> it be hooked up to a regular stereo reciever or amp >> or do i need special type of cables to hook up to >> reciever etc... >> thanks!!!! >> r.r >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 28 15:51:47 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:51:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? Message-ID: <27978476.1219931507206.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 28 15:58:49 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:58:49 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Belt storage Message-ID: <2953698.1219931929545.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Kevin, Anyone tuning into NakTalk has to be a nut of some sort. Don't let is bother you. I can get into a long discussions about the virtues of a carbide "miner's lamp" I use in caving. If that also makes me a geek, so be it. That we care so much about techically detailed stuff is why we are here. I agree about the ozone. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Fetner >Sent: Aug 28, 2008 8:08 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re:Belt storage > >Uhhhhh Ron, I think "ozone" is the real rubber belt killer in air. Hardly "extreme", as I think the Reynolds product set me back a whopping $13 on sale. I think the desiccant is a good idea no matter what else is done. Also, the RC hobby folks but rubber bands in a small container of kitty litter-possibly that serves as a form of desiccant? > >And thanks John M for the "geek" comment. I see your world is so small that it's become reduced to cheap shots and nothing whatsoever relevant to this board. > >Kevin > > > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:16:09 -0400 >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Belt storage >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <48B55399.8070004 at verizon.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > >I would add 'contact with air', especially for natural rubber. > >The handy vac should work. However, I doubt one needs >to go to such extreme, unless already available. I simply put >rubber parts (natural or synthetic) in a zip bag, drop in a >small bag of desiccant (I save those whenever I get a >package that contains one) squeeze the air out before >sealing and store it in a dark place. I have no scientific >proof this works, but OTOH never had a belt or idler tire >go bad on me after being stored for several years. > >-- Ron > > >Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:58:02 +0100 > From: John McMorrow > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Belt storage > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Yep sounds as though you've sussed that. Now what about > sticking your head in as well and preserving a perfect > specimen of a geek for posterity? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 16:16:45 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? In-Reply-To: <27978476.1219931507206.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <223231.61307.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, New belts are much more elastic than old belts. This perhaps creates ideal torque at both capstans, thereby holding the tape taught over the heads  as intended by dual capstan decks, resulting in better sound as compared to older, not as elastic, flaccid belts! Old belts do physically deform much easily and are much less elastic and might not give enough torque to the supply capstan, especially so in direct drive decks. This results in the sound being not as clean. Just MHO and observation amongst my decks. Regards, Ram --- On Thu, 8/28/08, Tom Brucker wrote: From: Tom Brucker Subject: Re: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? To: "Bob Naylor" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 9:51 AM #yiv245718101 {font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;} Exactly the type of DIY test I was thinking about!  An ink pen spring is universal. Gently push the belt with the spring and measure compression?  I poke belts with my finger and judge the "liveliness" ...old belts feel weak compared to new belts. Tight belts barely deflect when new. I do not know whether they stretch faster than a proper belt would. Any other ideas?   tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Bob Naylor Sent: Aug 27, 2008 8:13 PM To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? Tom, Could belt tension be measure this way...  use a stylus gauge, "x" amount of grams at a lift of "x" amount of inches (1/8 or 1/4 inch) or millimeters?  Bob N Tom Brucker wrote: #yiv245718101 {font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;} Ron,    I suspect you may be a bit "tongue in cheek". I'd say 5 years belt life is quite conservative. Ram has a 1000ZXL Limited on hand and listens to music every day, so his entire Nak collection must perform at the highest expected level.   Worn belts gradually increase wow and flutter, and it will be noticeable only to those very familiar with the music they play. You won't hear the changes with Rock and Roll. Last year I compared the various C8096 belts and substitutes on the test bench, and included a worn, but "working" original C8096C belt. The worn belt out -performed all but the Kenwood and an OEM 8096C.   The 8096D is expensive. The key question is what value does it hold? For a good sounding deck, the belt only assures excellent performance at some future date.    I recommend  that all eBay "recently serviced " decks be checked visually for substitute belts.   Can anyone think of a DIY test for excesively tight or loose belts? What would be neat is to replace those 0.2%  W/F generics with a D2, and listen to the comments. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Ron Sent: Aug 24, 2008 12:30 PM To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? I am so glad I read NakTalk... Every day I learn something new. Until now, I assumed in my innocence that as long as tape speed is accurate and W&F within specs, the belt is good. I now learn that the belt affects sound quality (highs drop out and -- I assume -- the bass loses authority and the music becomes less involving). In short, when a belt reaches the age of five, it should be replaced on the spot. My old 582 (classic transport) was something special, indeed -- went over 15 years with the original belt. My current CR-7 (Sankyo transport) is just as spectacular. Belt is 8 years old, yet W&F are inaudible, speed is within 0.5% and highs are exactly where they're supposed to be. Never mind, I'll replace it tomorrow. Along with every capacitor in sight. -- Ron shanti ramachandran wrote: Tom, Yes so right you are when you say the timber changes and highs drop out with old belts.  They certainly do with decks running on old sticky ones. I had replaced my ZX9 belt a few months ago and was shocked and very pleasantly surprised at the sound improvement. Of course, it was with an ESL belt. This made me replace the belts on my other belt driven decks. ESL Belts again, of course. Man was I impressed! Friends, please do your decks and yourself a huge favor. Replace these belts every 5 years and you will have a superb sounding deck. If Fred's belts are that good, please use them, but do not torture your 25 year + decks on old rubber. Enjoy Naking. Ram --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Tom Brucker wrote: From: Tom Brucker Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 5:30 PM I'm going to sound like a commercial here, but believe me I'm not posting a sales pitch. The pushing many of us have done to find an affordable source for the C8096C belt has produced excellent results. I do not understand why there has been so little NakTalk comment, and according to Fred, very few orders. Please, if any of you have questions or comments, write NakTalk about it. --Is the belt too expensive? --Is it too good to believe? --Are you tired of this topic? --Is this something you never really needed? --Are you waiting for more test information? --Do you think Fred will live longer than you and always have belts in stock? * My recommendation is to buy 2 belts per classic deck you own. One belt will keep your deck working, and the second will insure that you can sell the deck if that time comes. A new belt performs well for about 6 years. Symptoms of stretched belts are subtle increases in flutter, audible on solo violin or piano as a thickening of timbre. More stretching causes a few seconds of high frequency drop out when going from stop to play. Even if you do not intend to service your deck this year, buy a belt. Put it in your Christmas stocking. * I feel a certain amount of fatalism is appropriate. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Thu Aug 28 16:22:46 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:22:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Belt storage In-Reply-To: <276037.56537.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <276037.56537.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48B6B4B6.3070304@marrscommunications.com> Guys, I am not sure if I agree on the desiccant and kitty litter? All rubber has a small amount of moisture. I feel the drying effects of the desiccant or kitty litter, might encourage "dry rot " ? Fred M. Kevin Fetner wrote: >Uhhhhh Ron, I think "ozone" is the real rubber belt killer in air. Hardly "extreme", as I think the Reynolds product set me back a whopping $13 on sale. I think the desiccant is a good idea no matter what else is done. Also, the RC hobby folks but rubber bands in a small container of kitty litter-possibly that serves as a form of desiccant? > >And thanks John M for the "geek" comment. I see your world is so small that it's become reduced to cheap shots and nothing whatsoever relevant to this board. > >Kevin > > > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:16:09 -0400 >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Belt storage >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <48B55399.8070004 at verizon.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > >I would add 'contact with air', especially for natural rubber. > >The handy vac should work. However, I doubt one needs >to go to such extreme, unless already available. I simply put >rubber parts (natural or synthetic) in a zip bag, drop in a >small bag of desiccant (I save those whenever I get a >package that contains one) squeeze the air out before >sealing and store it in a dark place. I have no scientific >proof this works, but OTOH never had a belt or idler tire >go bad on me after being stored for several years. > >-- Ron > > >Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:58:02 +0100 > From: John McMorrow > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Belt storage > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Yep sounds as though you've sussed that. Now what about > sticking your head in as well and preserving a perfect > specimen of a geek for posterity? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 18:33:24 2008 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: [naktalk] Re:Belt storage Message-ID: <583110.76764.qm@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The RC hobby folks probably use the kitty litter to absorb oil and fuel from the rubber bands and not as a dessicant. That would have been my concern from my rc airplane flying days. Kevin Fetner wrote: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:08:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Re:Belt storage To: naktalk at naks.com Uhhhhh Ron, I think "ozone" is the real rubber belt killer in air. Hardly "extreme", as I think the Reynolds product set me back a whopping $13 on sale. I think the desiccant is a good idea no matter what else is done. Also, the RC hobby folks but rubber bands in a small container of kitty litter-possibly that serves as a form of desiccant? And thanks John M for the "geek" comment. I see your world is so small that it's become reduced to cheap shots and nothing whatsoever relevant to this board. Kevin Message: 5 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:16:09 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Belt storage To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <48B55399.8070004 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I would add 'contact with air', especially for natural rubber. The handy vac should work. However, I doubt one needs to go to such extreme, unless already available. I simply put rubber parts (natural or synthetic) in a zip bag, drop in a small bag of desiccant (I save those whenever I get a package that contains one) squeeze the air out before sealing and store it in a dark place. I have no scientific proof this works, but OTOH never had a belt or idler tire go bad on me after being stored for several years. -- Ron Message: 3 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:58:02 +0100 From: John McMorrow Subject: RE: [naktalk] Belt storage To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yep sounds as though you've sussed that. 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URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 16:41:30 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:41:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nak mr-1 vs BX-300 In-Reply-To: <11475671.1219930849771.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <11475671.1219930849771.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48B6B91A.5000103@verizon.net> In addition, in the MR-1 they provided for pitch control, which *is* important in duplicating decks. In retrospect, they probably removed the fine bias control because they needed the knob real estate on the front panel for the pitch control. -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > A deck used in professional applications will be biased for whatever bulk tape the user chooses, and the calibration is done by in-house engineers. They use the same tape, so fine tuning is not necessary. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: jesse ruff >> Sent: Aug 28, 2008 6:56 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak mr-1 vs BX-300 >> >> I just wanted to comment that there is another >> difference between these two decks that I found >> rather annoying. The MR-1 doesn't give you a manual >> bias adjust knob, which (if I understand correctly) >> gives you a lot less flexibility about what tapes you >> can record to with the ideal settings. Anyone know >> why they decided to remove that feature? >> Jesse >> --- Bob Naylor wrote: >> >> >>> r r, I use a 1/4" to RCA adaptors for my 2 MR-1's. >>> May not be the proper way to do it however it works >>> fine for both rec and PB. Bob N >>> >>> randy ross wrote: just >>> purchased a nak mr-1. i noticed the hook up in the >>> rear is different than what i'm use to seeing. >>> i know this is a professional deck, but i'm >>> wondering can i use the standard rca cables and can >>> it be hooked up to a regular stereo reciever or amp >>> or do i need special type of cables to hook up to >>> reciever etc... >>> thanks!!!! >>> r.r >>> >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>> Register your Nak today! >>> http://www.naks.com/register >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>> > >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>> Register your Nak today! >>> http://www.naks.com/register >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 17:32:42 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:32:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? In-Reply-To: <223231.61307.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <223231.61307.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48B6C51A.1090201@verizon.net> Actually, drive belts should have low elasticity. High elasticity allows for speed variation of the driven pulley, which is not the purpose. OTOH, drive belts should have a high friction coefficient, to prevent slippage. In use, most belts suffer burnishing, due to occasional slippage incurred when the deck is turned on This makes them smoother, which, in turn, causes more slippage. In the Sankyo transport, this doesn't happen (or maybe to a minute degree) due to the short, fairly tight belt, which is why the belt tends to last a long time. Roughly every two or three years I do a routine service, which includes cleaning the belt (I use alcohol and keep cleaning until the rag no longer becomes black) and the pulleys surfaces (I use MEK and keep cleaning until the pulley surface is bright). I never perceived loss of elasticity -- either Sankyo or classic transport -- but maybe this occurs in some other decks. -- Ron shanti ramachandran wrote: > Hi Tom, > > New belts are much more elastic than old belts. This perhaps creates > ideal torque at both capstans, thereby holding the tape taught over > the heads as intended by dual capstan decks, resulting in better > sound as compared to older, not as elastic, flaccid belts! Old belts > do physically deform much easily and are much less elastic and might > not give enough torque to the supply capstan, especially so in direct > drive decks. This results in the sound being not as clean. Just MHO > and observation amongst my decks. > > Regards, > Ram > > > > --- On *Thu, 8/28/08, Tom Brucker //* wrote: > > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? > To: "Bob Naylor" , "Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 9:51 AM > > Exactly the type of DIY test I was thinking about! An ink pen > spring is universal. Gently push the belt with the spring and > measure compression? I poke belts with my finger and judge the > "liveliness" ...old belts feel weak compared to new belts. Tight > belts barely deflect when new. I do not know whether they stretch > faster than a proper belt would. Any other ideas? > > > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Naylor > Sent: Aug 27, 2008 8:13 PM > To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? > > Tom, Could belt tension be measure this way... use a stylus > gauge, "x" amount of grams at a lift of "x" amount of inches > (1/8 or 1/4 inch) or millimeters? Bob N > > */Tom Brucker /* wrote: > > Ron, > I suspect you may be a bit "tongue in cheek". I'd say 5 > years belt life is quite conservative. Ram has a 1000ZXL > Limited on hand and listens to music every day, so his > entire Nak collection must perform at the highest expected > level. Worn belts gradually increase wow and flutter, > and it will be noticeable only to those very familiar with > the music they play. You won't hear the changes with Rock > and Roll. Last year I compared the various C8096 belts and > substitutes on the test bench, and included a worn, but > "working" original C8096C belt. The worn belt out > -performed all but the Kenwood and an OEM 8096C. The > 8096D is expensive. The key question is what value does it > hold? For a good sounding deck, the belt only assures > excellent performance at some future date. I recommend > that all eBay "recently serviced " decks be checked > visually for substitute belts. > Can anyone think of a DIY test for excesively tight or > loose belts? What would be neat is to replace those 0.2% > W/F generics with a D2, and listen to the comments. > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > Sent: Aug 24, 2008 12:30 PM > To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com, Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we > jaded? > > > I am so glad I read NakTalk... Every day I learn > something > new. Until now, I assumed in my innocence that as long as > tape speed is accurate and W&F within specs, the belt > is good. I now learn that the belt affects sound quality > (highs drop out and -- I assume -- the bass loses > authority > and the music becomes less involving). In short, when > a belt > reaches the age of five, it should be replaced on the > spot. > > My old 582 (classic transport) was something special, > indeed -- went over 15 years with the original belt. My > current CR-7 (Sankyo transport) is just as spectacular. > Belt is 8 years old, yet W&F are inaudible, speed is > within 0.5% and highs are exactly where they're > supposed to be. > > Never mind, I'll replace it tomorrow. Along with every > capacitor in sight. > > -- Ron > > > > shanti ramachandran wrote: >> Tom, >> >> Yes so right you are when you say the timber changes >> and highs drop out with old belts. They certainly do >> with decks running on old sticky ones. >> >> I had replaced my ZX9 belt a few months ago and was >> shocked and very pleasantly surprised at the sound >> improvement. Of course, it was with an ESL belt. >> >> This made me replace the belts on my other belt >> driven decks. ESL Belts again, of course. Man was I >> impressed! >> >> Friends, please do your decks and yourself a huge >> favor. Replace these belts every 5 years and you will >> have a superb sounding deck. >> If Fred's belts are that good, please use them, but >> do not torture your 25 year + decks on old rubber. >> >> Enjoy Naking. >> >> Ram >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On *Thu, 8/21/08, Tom Brucker >> //* wrote: >> From: Tom Brucker >> Subject: [naktalk] the new classic belts, are we jaded? >> To: "naktalk at naks.com" >> Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 5:30 PM >> >> I'm going to sound like a >> commercial here, but believe me I'm not posting a sales pitch. The pushing many of us have done to find >> an affordable source for the C8096C belt has produced excellent results. I do not understand why there has been so little NakTalk comment, and according to Fred, very few orders. Please, if any of you have questions or comments, write NakTalk about it. --Is the belt too expensive? --Is it too good to believe? --Are you tired of this topic? --Is this something you never really needed? --Are you waiting for more test information? --Do you think Fred will live longer than you and always have belts in stock? * My recommendation is to buy 2 belts per classic deck you own. One belt will keep your deck working, and the second will insure that you can sell the deck if that time comes. A new belt performs well for about 6 years. Symptoms of stretched belts are subtle increases in flutter, audible on solo violin or piano as a thickening of timbre. More >> stretching causes a few seconds of high frequency drop out when going from stop >> to play. Even if you do not intend to service your deck this year, buy a belt. Put it in your Christmas stocking. * I feel a certain amount of fatalism is appropriate. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 >> >> > > Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 17:38:17 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:38:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Belt storage In-Reply-To: <48B6B4B6.3070304@marrscommunications.com> References: <276037.56537.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <48B6B4B6.3070304@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <48B6C669.7020700@verizon.net> Hmmm... I have been doing it to prevent mold. Never noticed any ill effects. Can't really argue the point, I am not a materials engineer BTW, I have done some web searches on rubber longevity, Came up empty. -- Ron Marrs Communications wrote: > Guys, I am not sure if I agree on the desiccant and kitty litter? All > rubber has a small amount of moisture. I feel the drying effects of > the desiccant or kitty litter, might encourage "dry rot " ? Fred M. > > Kevin Fetner wrote: > >> Uhhhhh Ron, I think "ozone" is the real rubber belt killer in air. >> Hardly "extreme", as I think the Reynolds product set me back a >> whopping $13 on sale. I think the desiccant is a good idea no matter >> what else is done. Also, the RC hobby folks but rubber bands in a >> small container of kitty litter-possibly that serves as a form of >> desiccant? >> >> And thanks John M for the "geek" comment. I see your world is so >> small that it's become reduced to cheap shots and nothing whatsoever >> relevant to this board. >> Kevin >> >> >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:16:09 -0400 >> From: Ron >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Belt storage >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <48B55399.8070004 at verizon.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> >> I would add 'contact with air', especially for natural rubber. >> >> The handy vac should work. However, I doubt one needs >> to go to such extreme, unless already available. I simply put >> rubber parts (natural or synthetic) in a zip bag, drop in a >> small bag of desiccant (I save those whenever I get a >> package that contains one) squeeze the air out before >> sealing and store it in a dark place. I have no scientific >> proof this works, but OTOH never had a belt or idler tire >> go bad on me after being stored for several years. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:58:02 +0100 >> From: John McMorrow >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Belt storage >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Yep sounds as though you've sussed that. Now what about >> sticking your head in as well and preserving a perfect >> specimen of a geek for posterity? >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> > From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 22:05:41 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Belt storage In-Reply-To: <200808281004.m7SA1iWb022560@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <576071.12911.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> "'Extreme', in the sense of going to the trouble. However, YMMV." Honestly, I don't see the "extreme" in 10 seconds worth of vacuum sealing, but it was only a suggestion. I'm actually fascinated by how the little sucker works anyway.;-) Some members here probably have an old Seal-a-Meal still working somewhere-that would be perfect as well and a excuse to once again take up space on the kitchen wall.;-) "Don't know. As a teen ager I used to fly rubber models (and free-flight, and hand launched and U-control, and RC). We used to dunk the rubber in some thick solution -- I don't recall what it was and where we got it. But the purpose was to increase the rubber pliability (hardly what we need in a drive belt) and not its durability." Wow, I wonder what that was (?), but I remember my brothers had some trick rubber powered airplanes that had some sort of rubber treatment. No, definitely NOT something to put on a belt used in a cassette deck where steadfastness durability is key. I had some RC airplane wing bands out of the cat litter in storage and some in the cat litter for at least five yrs. The ones in the cat litter seemed to be fine...the ones out were gooey trash. Hardly scientific, but a pretty good real world test. I would think the cat litter as a desiccant would work well for Nak belts, if someone wanted to opt for that route. Kevin From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 28 18:03:37 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Belt storage In-Reply-To: <48B6B4B6.3070304@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <644422.69469.qm@web83102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sealing the belts into a plastic bag should be sufficient. Then the rubber should retain what it's got. Warren Marrs Communications wrote: Guys, I am not sure if I agree on the desiccant and kitty litter? All rubber has a small amount of moisture. I feel the drying effects of the desiccant or kitty litter, might encourage "dry rot " ? Fred M. Kevin Fetner wrote: >Uhhhhh Ron, I think "ozone" is the real rubber belt killer in air. Hardly "extreme", as I think the Reynolds product set me back a whopping $13 on sale. I think the desiccant is a good idea no matter what else is done. Also, the RC hobby folks but rubber bands in a small container of kitty litter-possibly that serves as a form of desiccant? > >And thanks John M for the "geek" comment. I see your world is so small that it's become reduced to cheap shots and nothing whatsoever relevant to this board. > >Kevin > > > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:16:09 -0400 >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Belt storage >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <48B55399.8070004 at verizon.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > >I would add 'contact with air', especially for natural rubber. > >The handy vac should work. However, I doubt one needs >to go to such extreme, unless already available. I simply put >rubber parts (natural or synthetic) in a zip bag, drop in a >small bag of desiccant (I save those whenever I get a >package that contains one) squeeze the air out before >sealing and store it in a dark place. I have no scientific >proof this works, but OTOH never had a belt or idler tire >go bad on me after being stored for several years. > >-- Ron > > >Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:58:02 +0100 > From: John McMorrow > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Belt storage > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Yep sounds as though you've sussed that. Now what about > sticking your head in as well and preserving a perfect > specimen of a geek for posterity? >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Aug 29 00:17:54 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:17:54 -0400 Subject: Fwd: [naktalk] Re:Belt storage In-Reply-To: <583110.76764.qm@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <583110.76764.qm@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48B72412.7090801@verizon.net> Larry, Rubber drive models use neither oil nor fuel. RC folks do use fuel (with oil, mixed in, but do not use rubber bands (except for wing hold down and these get replaced on a regular basis, for obvious reasons). -- Ron Larry Sachs wrote: > The RC hobby folks probably use the kitty litter to absorb oil and > fuel from the rubber bands and not as a dessicant. That would have > been my concern from my rc airplane flying days. > > */Kevin Fetner /* wrote: > > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:08:14 -0700 (PDT) > From: Kevin Fetner > Subject: [naktalk] Re:Belt storage > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Uhhhhh Ron, I think "ozone" is the real rubber belt killer in air. > Hardly "extreme", as I think the Reynolds product set me back a > whopping $13 on sale. I think the desiccant is a good idea no > matter what else is done. Also, the RC hobby folks but rubber > bands in a small container of kitty litter-possibly that serves as > a form of desiccant? > > And thanks John M for the "geek" comment. I see your world is so > small that it's become reduced to cheap shots and nothing > whatsoever relevant to this board. > > Kevin > > > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:16:09 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Belt storage > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <48B55399.8070004 at verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > I would add 'contact with air', especially for natural rubber. > > The handy vac should work. However, I doubt one needs > to go to such extreme, unless already available. I simply put > rubber parts (natural or synthetic) in a zip bag, drop in a > small bag of desiccant (I save those whenever I get a > package that contains one) squeeze the air out before > sealing and store it in a dark place. I have no scientific > proof this works, but OTOH never had a belt or idler tire > go bad on me after being stored for several years. > > -- Ron > > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:58:02 +0100 > From: John McMorrow > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Belt storage > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Yep sounds as though you've sussed that. Now what about > sticking your head in as well and preserving a perfect > specimen of a geek for posterity? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Aug 29 00:21:26 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:21:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Belt storage In-Reply-To: <576071.12911.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <576071.12911.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48B724E6.3020600@verizon.net> LOL... I use Kitty litter to sprinkle on the driveway after snow storms. Works as well as salt. -- Ron Kevin Fetner wrote: > "'Extreme', in the sense of going to the trouble. However, YMMV." > > Honestly, I don't see the "extreme" in 10 seconds worth of vacuum sealing, but it was only a suggestion. I'm actually fascinated by how the little sucker works anyway.;-) Some members here probably have an old Seal-a-Meal still working somewhere-that would be perfect as well and a excuse to once again take up space on the kitchen wall.;-) > > > "Don't know. As a teen ager I used to fly rubber models (and free-flight, > and hand launched and U-control, and RC). We used to dunk the > rubber in some thick solution -- I don't recall what it was and where > we got it. But the purpose was to increase the rubber pliability (hardly > what we need in a drive belt) and not its durability." > > Wow, I wonder what that was (?), but I remember my brothers had some trick rubber powered airplanes that had some sort of rubber treatment. No, definitely NOT something to put on a belt used in a cassette deck where steadfastness durability is key. I had some RC airplane wing bands out of the cat litter in storage and some in the cat litter for at least five yrs. The ones in the cat litter seemed to be fine...the ones out were gooey trash. Hardly scientific, but a pretty good real world test. I would think the cat litter as a desiccant would work well for Nak belts, if someone wanted to opt for that route. > > Kevin > > From jbowne at ieee.org Fri Aug 29 09:24:55 2008 From: jbowne at ieee.org (John C. Bowne) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:24:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning Message-ID: <200808290725.m7T7PEwp016120@zxe.naks.com> I have just joined naktalk and have owned my BX-100 since 1986, but after all the talk about maintenance, I realize that I don't know what to use to clean the heads. Is denatured alcohol OK? What do you use? John Bowne Poway, CA From luis at peromarta.org Fri Aug 29 14:33:45 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:33:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: <200808290725.m7T7PEwp016120@zxe.naks.com> References: <200808290725.m7T7PEwp016120@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Guys, this question has been asked one thousand times. Could someone please write the information on the WIKI pages so it's there for good? Same would apply to other well know and / or returning questions. How about it? Best rgds, LP. El 29/08/2008, a las 9:24, John C. Bowne escribió: > I have just joined naktalk and have owned my BX-100 since 1986, but > after all the talk about maintenance, I realize that I don't know > what to use to clean the heads. Is denatured alcohol OK? What do > you use? > > John Bowne > Poway, CA > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 13:48:59 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:48:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette Message-ID: <082920081148.22035.48B7E22B00090A440000561322165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I saw this on eBay. I own a couple of genuine Nakamichi torque cassettes, and neither of them look like this. Furthermore, ALL of my Nakamichi alignment gauges and cassettes clearly say "Nakamichi" somewhere on them, along with the Nakamichi part number. This cassette doesn't have any Nakamichi indication on it, nor does that part number match anything I have come across. Yet this item appears to be represented as being a genuine Nakamichi tool. Anyone care to comment? http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-57793-000-TEST-TORQUE-CASSETTE_W0QQitemZ160277016060QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14962QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 14:02:45 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:02:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning Message-ID: <082920081202.18340.48B7E5650005882D000047A422165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, John, and welcome to Naktalk! I hope you make a lot of friends here. For cleaning the heads, I always use isopropyl alcohol. Use the 91% solution, not the lower percent version. Others recommend MEK (methyl ethyl ketone), but this stuff can damage/deface plastic parts. I steer clear of it because of this. If you have any other questions about your Nak, don't hesitate to ask me. I'll do my best to help! DON'T FORGET TO ENJOY THE MUSIC... *andy* From jeruff at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 13:24:53 2008 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] nak mr-1 vs BX-300 In-Reply-To: <48B6B91A.5000103@verizon.net> Message-ID: <735487.54481.qm@web83716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The BX-300 has pitch control as well...anyways, I'm at the point where I think a BX-300 would be more useful to me than the MR-1. Anybody want to trade?:) Jesse --- Ron wrote: > > In addition, in the MR-1 they provided for pitch > control, which > *is* important in duplicating decks. In retrospect, > they probably > removed the fine bias control because they needed > the knob > real estate on the front panel for the pitch > control. > > -- Ron > > > > > Tom Brucker wrote: > > A deck used in professional applications will be > biased for whatever bulk tape the user chooses, and > the calibration is done by in-house engineers. They > use the same tape, so fine tuning is not necessary. > > > > tom brucker > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: jesse ruff > >> Sent: Aug 28, 2008 6:56 AM > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak mr-1 vs BX-300 > >> > >> I just wanted to comment that there is another > >> difference between these two decks that I found > >> rather annoying. The MR-1 doesn't give you a > manual > >> bias adjust knob, which (if I understand > correctly) > >> gives you a lot less flexibility about what tapes > you > >> can record to with the ideal settings. Anyone > know > >> why they decided to remove that feature? > >> Jesse > >> --- Bob Naylor wrote: > >> > >> > >>> r r, I use a 1/4" to RCA adaptors for my 2 > MR-1's. > >>> May not be the proper way to do it however it > works > >>> fine for both rec and PB. Bob N > >>> > >>> randy ross wrote: just > >>> purchased a nak mr-1. i noticed the hook up in > the > >>> rear is different than what i'm use to seeing. > >>> i know this is a professional deck, but > i'm > >>> wondering can i use the standard rca cables and > can > >>> it be hooked up to a regular stereo reciever or > amp > >>> or do i need special type of cables to hook up > to > >>> reciever etc... > >>> thanks!!!! > >>> r.r > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >>> Register your Nak today! > >>> http://www.naks.com/register > >>> > >>> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: > >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > >>> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >>> > > >>> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >>> Register your Nak today! > >>> http://www.naks.com/register > >>> > >>> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >>> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: > >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > >>> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > > > > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > 615-331-9241 > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 15:10:34 2008 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: <200808290725.m7T7PEwp016120@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <77089.34254.qm@web55103.mail.re4.yahoo.com> John,   Jeff Galin from ESL recommends Professional Audio Tape Path Cleaning Fluid S-721H from American Recorder Technologies at americanercorder.com.  A 2 ounce bottle costs $10.  DO NOT use alcohol - it is bad for rubber, which means the pinch rollers.   Jayson --- On Fri, 8/29/08, John C. Bowne wrote: From: John C. Bowne Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 3:24 AM I have just joined naktalk and have owned my BX-100 since 1986, but after all the talk about maintenance, I realize that I don't know what to use to clean the heads. Is denatured alcohol OK? What do you use? John Bowne Poway, CA ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Fri Aug 29 14:57:15 2008 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:57:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 W/F Message-ID: <63E7EBCF2E6647B3BB4A8D45140FED06@superdator> Hello everybody! I have just completed my last project, restoring a RX505E back to life. When i recieved it , it was in a horrible condition. The pinch rollers was freezed due to dry lubricant and the mechanism was stuck in play position. Exterior though was in good condition 8/10. I first started to take the mechanism apart and then cleaned and lubed all moving parts and replaced all the belts. This is not my first Nak so usually this procedure helps. When I for the first time hit the playbutton it sounded okey but after a few seconds the sound started to sound lower and duller and finally it disappeard. A quick look showed that after a few seconds a loop was starting to build up at the heads, this could only happen if the flywheels have different speed so I took it apart and carefully cleaned the surface on the flywheels that have contact with the belt. I then tried another used original belt in good condition. This solved the problem with the loop but now I got 3% wow/flutter! I then ordered a new belt from Fred and today I installed it. Same thing, high w/f. So I figured that the next thing to replace is the capstan motor. After replacement of the motor: still high w/f! Okey, what can you say? I have never had a deck so unwilling to play with a correct low w/f. So desperate times needs a desperate solution! I took a set of flywheels from an old 480 mechanism I have for spares and installed them. They dont have the flat finish as the originals have but otherwise they are the same. And finally it works! 0.3% w/f! And after adjusting the heads it sounds like a Nak again! I will now take a closer look on the original flywheels and try to understand whats wrong with them. They are worn, I can see that with my eyes only. You can see where the tape has travelled and this pattern cant be cleaned away. Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 14:54:34 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Belt storage Message-ID: <345796.17072.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Larry, I was instructed to use kitty litter with new rubber bands that had not seen any oil & fuel. Actually after flight, we were instructed to throw them away (the wing hold down bands) and always use 'new' for each flight. Fred, I think most things in our natural world have some moisture content from the air we breathe and most probably when you take out a 'new' belt from a vacuum storage bag or from a bag with desiccant, the moisture returns. "Dry rot" would come from age/time and exposure to ozone. Stretching from use would factor in there as well. I had "dry rot" in that 'new' bag of RC rubber bands that were NOT stored in kitty litter-those that were seemed fine (five yrs of storage). Kevin Message: 10 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:33:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Sachs Subject: Fwd: [naktalk] Re:Belt storage To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <583110.76764.qm at web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The RC hobby folks probably use the kitty litter to absorb oil and fuel from the rubber bands and not as a dessicant. That would have been my concern from my rc airplane flying days. Message: 9 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:22:46 -0500 From: Marrs Communications Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Belt storage To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <48B6B4B6.3070304 at marrscommunications.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Guys, I am not sure if I agree on the desiccant and kitty litter? All rubber has a small amount of moisture. I feel the drying effects of the desiccant or kitty litter, might encourage "dry rot " ? Fred M. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 30 01:19:44 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:19:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] RX505 W/F Message-ID: <28808197.1220051984188.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 30 01:24:29 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:24:29 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Message-ID: <7354769.1220052269239.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It is real. Mine is exactly the same. naac will not sell anything cheap! Tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Aug 29, 2008 6:48 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette > > >I saw this on eBay. > >I own a couple of genuine Nakamichi torque cassettes, and neither of them look like this. Furthermore, ALL of my Nakamichi alignment gauges and cassettes clearly say "Nakamichi" somewhere on them, along with the Nakamichi part number. > >This cassette doesn't have any Nakamichi indication on it, nor does that part number match anything I have come across. > >Yet this item appears to be represented as being a genuine Nakamichi tool. > >Anyone care to comment? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-57793-000-TEST-TORQUE-CASSETTE_W0QQitemZ160277016060QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14962QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From waxtayl at free.fr Sat Aug 30 01:25:19 2008 From: waxtayl at free.fr (waxtayl) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:25:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette In-Reply-To: <082920081148.22035.48B7E22B00090A440000561322165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <082920081148.22035.48B7E22B00090A440000561322165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48B8855F.8040809@free.fr> It could be a Sony... hwbosshoss at comcast.net a écrit : > I saw this on eBay. > > I own a couple of genuine Nakamichi torque cassettes, and neither of them look like this. Furthermore, ALL of my Nakamichi alignment gauges and cassettes clearly say "Nakamichi" somewhere on them, along with the Nakamichi part number. > > This cassette doesn't have any Nakamichi indication on it, nor does that part number match anything I have come across. > > Yet this item appears to be represented as being a genuine Nakamichi tool. > > Anyone care to comment? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-57793-000-TEST-TORQUE-CASSETTE_W0QQitemZ160277016060QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14962QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Aug 30 04:03:36 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:03:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nak mr-1 vs BX-300 In-Reply-To: <735487.54481.qm@web83716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <735487.54481.qm@web83716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48B8AA78.8010102@verizon.net> jesse ruff wrote: > The BX-300 has pitch control as well... So it does. Sorry -- it's been a while since I looked at one up close. -- Ron > anyways, I'm at > the point where I think a BX-300 would be more useful > to me than the MR-1. Anybody want to trade?:) Jesse > --- Ron wrote: > > >> In addition, in the MR-1 they provided for pitch >> control, which >> *is* important in duplicating decks. In retrospect, >> they probably >> removed the fine bias control because they needed >> the knob >> real estate on the front panel for the pitch >> control. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> Tom Brucker wrote: >> >>> A deck used in professional applications will be >>> >> biased for whatever bulk tape the user chooses, and >> the calibration is done by in-house engineers. They >> use the same tape, so fine tuning is not necessary. >> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> >>>> From: jesse ruff >>>> Sent: Aug 28, 2008 6:56 AM >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak mr-1 vs BX-300 >>>> >>>> I just wanted to comment that there is another >>>> difference between these two decks that I found >>>> rather annoying. The MR-1 doesn't give you a >>>> >> manual >> >>>> bias adjust knob, which (if I understand >>>> >> correctly) >> >>>> gives you a lot less flexibility about what tapes >>>> >> you >> >>>> can record to with the ideal settings. Anyone >>>> >> know >> >>>> why they decided to remove that feature? >>>> Jesse >>>> --- Bob Naylor wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> r r, I use a 1/4" to RCA adaptors for my 2 >>>>> >> MR-1's. >> >>>>> May not be the proper way to do it however it >>>>> >> works >> >>>>> fine for both rec and PB. Bob N >>>>> >>>>> randy ross wrote: just >>>>> purchased a nak mr-1. i noticed the hook up in >>>>> >> the >> >>>>> rear is different than what i'm use to seeing. >>>>> i know this is a professional deck, but >>>>> >> i'm >> >>>>> wondering can i use the standard rca cables and >>>>> >> can >> >>>>> it be hooked up to a regular stereo reciever or >>>>> >> amp >> >>>>> or do i need special type of cables to hook up >>>>> >> to >> >>>>> reciever etc... >>>>> thanks!!!! >>>>> r.r >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> >>>> >>>>> Register your Nak today! >>>>> http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> >>>> >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> >>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> >>>> >>>>> Register your Nak today! >>>>> http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> >>>> >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com >>>>> >> mailinglist >> >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> Register your Nak today! >>>> >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com >>>> >> mailinglist >> >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>> >>>> >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>> hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> hitech at bellsouth.net >>> 615-331-9241 >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Aug 30 04:07:17 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:07:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette In-Reply-To: <082920081148.22035.48B7E22B00090A440000561322165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <082920081148.22035.48B7E22B00090A440000561322165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48B8AB55.5060704@verizon.net> So he lied. No big deal. This is ebay, after all, what did you expect? -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I saw this on eBay. > > I own a couple of genuine Nakamichi torque cassettes, and neither of them look like this. Furthermore, ALL of my Nakamichi alignment gauges and cassettes clearly say "Nakamichi" somewhere on them, along with the Nakamichi part number. > > This cassette doesn't have any Nakamichi indication on it, nor does that part number match anything I have come across. > > Yet this item appears to be represented as being a genuine Nakamichi tool. > > Anyone care to comment? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-57793-000-TEST-TORQUE-CASSETTE_W0QQitemZ160277016060QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14962QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > *andy* > From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Sat Aug 30 09:45:47 2008 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:45:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette References: <082920081148.22035.48B7E22B00090A440000561322165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Looks almost like a Sony CQ-102C to me! Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette > > I saw this on eBay. > > I own a couple of genuine Nakamichi torque cassettes, and neither of them > look like this. Furthermore, ALL of my Nakamichi alignment gauges and > cassettes clearly say "Nakamichi" somewhere on them, along with the > Nakamichi part number. > > This cassette doesn't have any Nakamichi indication on it, nor does that > part number match anything I have come across. > > Yet this item appears to be represented as being a genuine Nakamichi tool. > > Anyone care to comment? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-57793-000-TEST-TORQUE-CASSETTE_W0QQitemZ160277016060QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14962QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jbowne at ieee.org Sat Aug 30 09:49:18 2008 From: jbowne at ieee.org (John C. Bowne) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:49:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: <77089.34254.qm@web55103.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <200808290725.m7T7PEwp016120@zxe.naks.com> <77089.34254.qm@web55103.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200808300750.m7U7o4EO013526@zxe.naks.com> Jayson, Thank you, I appreciate the tip. I will order some of this fluid. John At 06:10 AM 8/29/2008, you wrote: >John, > >Jeff Galin from ESL recommends Professional Audio Tape Path Cleaning >Fluid S-721H from American Recorder Technologies at >americanercorder.com. A 2 ounce bottle costs $10. DO NOT use >alcohol - it is bad for rubber, which means the pinch rollers. > >Jayson > >--- On Fri, 8/29/08, John C. Bowne wrote: >From: John C. Bowne >Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 3:24 AM > > >I have just joined naktalk and have owned my BX-100 since 1986, but > >after all the talk about maintenance, I realize that I don't know > >what to use to clean the heads. Is denatured alcohol OK? 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 30 15:19:44 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:19:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Message-ID: <28511902.1220102384331.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Nakamichi sold test tapes in the US market from 1978 to 1995, so there are variations. In a conversation with Tom Majerus, it seems there are 3 versions of the Dolby level tape, and one of them has a higher level than the other two! My torque tape is from 1981. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Pär Ericsson >Sent: Aug 30, 2008 2:45 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette > >Looks almost like a Sony CQ-102C to me! > > >Pelle. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 1:48 PM >Subject: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette > > >> >> I saw this on eBay. >> >> I own a couple of genuine Nakamichi torque cassettes, and neither of them >> look like this. Furthermore, ALL of my Nakamichi alignment gauges and >> cassettes clearly say "Nakamichi" somewhere on them, along with the >> Nakamichi part number. >> >> This cassette doesn't have any Nakamichi indication on it, nor does that >> part number match anything I have come across. >> >> Yet this item appears to be represented as being a genuine Nakamichi tool. >> >> Anyone care to comment? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-57793-000-TEST-TORQUE-CASSETTE_W0QQitemZ160277016060QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14962QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> >> *andy* >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From rayr0683 at comcast.net Sat Aug 30 14:27:28 2008 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:27:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Head Cleaning, Belts.. Message-ID: <083020081227.808.48B93CB00003BD1A000003282216527966CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> Hello John, The S-721H Cleaning Fluid is highly recommended by many, largely because it is safe on rubber and plastics, leaves no residue, etc.. However, myself, and many techs that have to work on units, that were not so well cared for in terms of maintenance...hence dirty heads with stubborn debris on heads and tape path had problems with the S-721H. Everyone has their own favorites when it comes to techs for head cleaning. To get Dirty Heads clean, MEK, or some of the better Head Cleaning products will fare much better. An experienced tech will use seperate products on the heads, rollers, etc....being careful not to let one solution get where is doesnt belong. Isopropyl 99.9% can be had in a large can reasonable, for $10.00 and a much larger can the 2 ounces. This will fare better on stubborn dirty heads, but MEK is the best for removing anything stubborn. If your deck was new, or heads were in immaculate condition, then S-721H would be fine for everything. I always found the best Rubber Pinch roller cleaner/conditioner to be the old TEAC/TASCAM Rubber Cleaner, but its no longer available. There is great products, and a maintenance kit, available from the Reel Pro Sound Guys....excellent products, and a great rubber cleaner and conditioner. I have a Professional Foodsaver Model, used by many butcher shops, etc.....however I do not use it for storing any extra belts. VPI, the great Turntable company, advises simply a Ziplock Bag, with Talc Powder in it, to store belts, and will send you a new belt in just that...a baggy with Talc. I have found all of my belts, for VCR's etc...lasting far longer than 5 years, in this talc, and still measuring and feeling as new with my PRB/Russel Belt Measuring device. So, I go with VPI Industries suggestions. I personally wouldn't mess with Kitty Litter. In fact, VPI's suggestions match pretty much everything Ron has had to say on this topic, except for the Talc. They also recommend using Alcohol to periodically clean the belt, to remove any oils from your fingers etc...the reapply the talc when belt is dry, and then reinstall around pully of motor, etc....So, seems Ron is pretty much always right on whenever I read these long winded arguement threads. Hope this helps, Ray From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Aug 30 14:56:18 2008 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (Walter Drewes) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:56:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette References: <082920081148.22035.48B7E22B00090A440000561322165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <48B8AB55.5060704@verizon.net> Message-ID: <005b01c90a9f$cdeb5680$720b18ac@MWDrews> I am a bit of a dumb cluck! Who lied on or about what? Are Tom's who look exactly the same as the Turkish ones not Nakamichi? It appears as if Tom can use it on his Naks,why should one not use the Turkish ones on other Naks? One cannot expect that eBay sits in justice on any item that goes through their system! Sony also made a number of some gadgets for Nakamichi. We seem to be custodians of truth ,fair play,chief examiners of genuineness of everything!If we carry on like this,the UN might offer us a seat on the Bench at den Hague judging the world.! :) walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette > > So he lied. No big deal. This is ebay, after all, what did > you expect? > > -- Ron > > > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >> I saw this on eBay. >> >> I own a couple of genuine Nakamichi torque cassettes, and neither of them >> look like this. Furthermore, ALL of my Nakamichi alignment gauges and >> cassettes clearly say "Nakamichi" somewhere on them, along with the >> Nakamichi part number. >> >> This cassette doesn't have any Nakamichi indication on it, nor does that >> part number match anything I have come across. >> >> Yet this item appears to be represented as being a genuine Nakamichi >> tool. >> >> Anyone care to comment? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-57793-000-TEST-TORQUE-CASSETTE_W0QQitemZ160277016060QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14962QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> >> *andy* >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1613 - Release > Date: 15/08/2008 05:58 AM > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Pinpoint, and is believed to be clean. From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Aug 30 15:29:41 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:29:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX505 W/F Message-ID: <083020081329.23049.48B94B45000897A200005A0922155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Pelle: Many times when a Nakamichi has high W/F, it can be caused by a worn capstan belt, but it can ALSO be caused by friction in the capstan bearings. Did you try lubricating the capstan bearings? To do this properly, you would have to remove the capstans completely and put a couple of drops of light machine oil (I use sewing machine oil) into the capstan holes. I"m betting that the original capstans were crying out for lubrication, especially if they are as used as you say they are. Also, don't overlook old, dried grease on the contact points in the center of the capstan flywheels. And while you're at it, make sure that the flywheel holders are adjusted properly and aren't too tight or loose. The flywheel holders usually don't need to be adjusted at all, but when you acquire a used deck, I have found that it's best to check ALL possible areas for signs of "monkeying around". Congratulations on bringing your 505 back to the land of the living! That's one of my favorite Nak decks. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Aug 30 15:42:11 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:42:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette Message-ID: <083020081342.18961.48B94E33000BF02E00004A1122155751149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Waxtayl: I'm with you -- I think it is a Sony. Either way, it is a good torque measurement device. Tom: I should have clarified something in my original post. One of my Nakamichi torque cassette does look very much like the naac cassette, but it clearly says "Nakamichi Corporation" on the takeup reel and has the Nakamichi part number on the supply reel. On the back of the torque cassette, there is a little silver decal with the Nakamichi "N" logo and a serial number. The "SRK" prefix visible on the reels of the naac cassette seem to point to this being a Sony. But again, either way it's a good torque cassette. My EXTREME apologies to everyone for discussing torque cassettes WAY more than any of you might want to know! *andy* From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 16:43:57 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: <082920081202.18340.48B7E5650005882D000047A422165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <444610.13112.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy, John, I've always used denatured alcohol but must be 90% + range. Bob N hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Hi, John, and welcome to Naktalk! I hope you make a lot of friends here. For cleaning the heads, I always use isopropyl alcohol. Use the 91% solution, not the lower percent version. Others recommend MEK (methyl ethyl ketone), but this stuff can damage/deface plastic parts. I steer clear of it because of this. If you have any other questions about your Nak, don't hesitate to ask me. I'll do my best to help! DON'T FORGET TO ENJOY THE MUSIC... *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is ebay, after all, what did > you expect? > > -- Ron > > > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > I saw this on eBay. > > > I own a couple of genuine Nakamichi torque cassettes, and neither of them look like this. Furthermore, ALL of my Nakamichi alignment gauges and cassettes > clearly say "Nakamichi" somewhere on them, along with the Nakamichi part number. > > > This cassette doesn't have any Nakamichi indication on it, nor does that part > number match anything I have come across. > > > > Yet this item appears to be represented as being a genuine Nakamichi tool. > > > > Anyone care to comment? > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-57793-000-TEST-TORQUE-CASSETTE_W0QQitemZ1602770160 > 60QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14962QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > > > *andy* > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Sat Aug 30 21:19:06 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:19:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette In-Reply-To: <200808301003.m7UA1AOT015529@zxe.naks.com> References: <200808301003.m7UA1AOT015529@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8CAD8EC67CB2838-1E54-E9A@webmail-db17.sysops.aol.com> Hi Andy Looks like a couple of people think it's a Sony gauge - and maybe it is, but it's also a Philips gauge. We were instructed by Nakamichi Australia to buy a Philips 811CTM Cassette Torque Meter from Philips Industries in Australia - the reason being that it was quite superior to the Nakamichi torque gauge, and allowed measurement of back tension, which the Nakamichi gauge doesn't do. So we obediently bought one, and it's a very useful gauge. It also has a Philips part number 4822 395 30054. So while not made by Nakamichi, it was certainly recommended by them - and in Australia we were required to have it. Regards John Gipps Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:48:59 +0000 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <082920081148.22035.48B7E22B00090A440000561322165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908 at comcast.net> I saw this on eBay. I own a couple of genuine Nakamichi torque cassettes, and neither of them look like this. Furthermore, ALL of my Nakamichi alignment gauges and cassettes clearly say "Nakamichi" somewhere on them, along with the Nakamichi part number. This cassette doesn't have any Nakamichi indication on it, nor does that part number match anything I have come across. Yet this item appears to be represented as being a genuine Nakamichi tool. Anyone care to comment? http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-57793-000-TEST-TORQUE-CASSETTE_W0QQitemZ160277016060QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14962QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:24:29 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Tom Brucker Subject: Re: [naktalk] To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <7354769.1220052269239.JavaMail.root at elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 It is real. Mine is exactly the same. naac will not sell anything cheap! Tom brucker Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 01:25:19 +0200 From: waxtayl Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <48B8855F.8040809 at free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed It could be a Sony... Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:07:17 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <48B8AB55.5060704 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed So he lied. No big deal. This is ebay, after all, what did you expect? -- Ron Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:45:47 +0200 From: P?r Ericsson Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Looks almost like a Sony CQ-102C to me! Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Aug 30 21:20:48 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:20:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette In-Reply-To: <005b01c90a9f$cdeb5680$720b18ac@MWDrews> References: <082920081148.22035.48B7E22B00090A440000561322165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <48B8AB55.5060704@verizon.net> <005b01c90a9f$cdeb5680$720b18ac@MWDrews> Message-ID: <48B99D90.9030604@verizon.net> Walter, Do lighten up.. I.didn't state he definitely lied, I said, sarcastically, "so he lied", as a frequent possibility on ebay, where lies about items abound. -- Ron Walter Drewes wrote: > I am a bit of a dumb cluck! Who lied on or about what? Are Tom's who > look exactly the same as the Turkish ones not Nakamichi? It appears as > if Tom can use it on his Naks,why should one not use the Turkish ones > on other Naks? > One cannot expect that eBay sits in justice on any item that goes > through their system! Sony also made a number of some gadgets for > Nakamichi. > We seem to be custodians of truth ,fair play,chief examiners of > genuineness of everything!If we carry on like this,the UN might offer > us a seat on the Bench at den Hague judging the world.! :) > walter > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette > > >> >> So he lied. No big deal. This is ebay, after all, what did >> you expect? >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >>> I saw this on eBay. >>> >>> I own a couple of genuine Nakamichi torque cassettes, and neither of >>> them look like this. Furthermore, ALL of my Nakamichi alignment >>> gauges and cassettes clearly say "Nakamichi" somewhere on them, >>> along with the Nakamichi part number. >>> >>> This cassette doesn't have any Nakamichi indication on it, nor does >>> that part number match anything I have come across. >>> >>> Yet this item appears to be represented as being a genuine Nakamichi >>> tool. >>> >>> Anyone care to comment? >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-57793-000-TEST-TORQUE-CASSETTE_W0QQitemZ160277016060QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14962QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>> >>> >>> >>> *andy* >>> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1613 - >> Release Date: 15/08/2008 05:58 AM >> >> > > From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Aug 30 21:31:22 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:31:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <200808290725.m7T7PEwp016120@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <48B9A00A.6040205@verizon.net> Luis, OK, I will write a Sankyo transport service guide. Won't happen exactly tomorrow, but when I get a round tuit. However, I *will* do it.. If someone else wants to write it, please let me know. No sense in two people putting in the time. -- Ron Luis Peromarta wrote: > Guys, > > this question has been asked one thousand times. Could someone please > write the information on the WIKI pages so it's there for good? > > Same would apply to other well know and / or returning questions. How > about it? > > Best rgds, LP. > > > > El 29/08/2008, a las 9:24, John C. Bowne escribió: > >> I have just joined naktalk and have owned my BX-100 since 1986, but >> after all the talk about maintenance, I realize that I don't know >> what to use to clean the heads. Is denatured alcohol OK? What do >> you use? >> >> John Bowne >> Poway, CA >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 30 21:40:36 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:40:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: <234024.40539.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <234024.40539.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48B9A234.2000400@sbcglobal.net> I read in Audio Magazine years ago that denatured alcohol has things added to it, like formaldehyde, that are bad for rubber, and that rubber should be cleaned only with undenatured ethanol. I use Galens 151 on rubber and and have had no problems. Methanol and Isopropyl Alcohol do dry out the rubber and should not be used. On heads I use Isopropyl Alcohol, 91%. Warren Bob Naylor wrote: > Jayson, You bring up a very good point. Alcohol is not good for > rubber including ethanol in our gasoline which is not good for rubber > parts in our cars. I clean my pinch rollers with a clean lint less > cloth and only every once in a while I use my denatured alcohol. I > never had a problem with this method. Bob N > > */jayson levitz /* wrote: > > John, > > Jeff Galin from ESL recommends Professional Audio Tape Path > Cleaning Fluid S-721H from American Recorder Technologies at > americanercorder.com. A 2 ounce bottle costs $10. DO NOT use > alcohol - it is bad for rubber, which means the pinch rollers. > > Jayson > > --- On *Fri, 8/29/08, John C. Bowne //* wrote: > > From: John C. Bowne > Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 3:24 AM > > I have just joined naktalk and have owned my BX-100 since 1986, but after all the talk about maintenance, I realize that I don't know what to use to clean the heads. Is denatured alcohol OK? What do you use? 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URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 23:52:12 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Isopropyl Alcohol Message-ID: <448308.19455.qm@web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I get 99.953% Pure Anhydrous from MG chemicals at my local Frys electronics. It evaporates almost instantly so it won't attract particles. It is made for electronics, tape heads, etc. and won't harm plastic, or so they say: http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/824.html They also make a Rubber Renue, but I haven't tried it yet: http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/408a.html I can't find Isopropyl at my drug store with that high percent anymore, but you should be able to at an electronics store. David From theshorty at bigpond.com Sun Aug 31 02:18:45 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:18:45 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette References: <082920081148.22035.48B7E22B00090A440000561322165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00a801c90aff$21fdf700$0200000a@martinsvdix8fy> Andy, Per, Had a look at my three "nakamichi" toque gauges. An interesting bit of product trivia, make of it what you will. #1 gauge is in a Nakamichi labeled case liner (DA09083A), and the gauge itself is marked on the reels themselves one with the part number, the other with nak corp, and a serial number on the back view window #2 gauge has Nak body label on the housing (DA09055A) marked back tension gauge ( hence only the LH reel is graduated), and also a metallic blue label on the front, marked " cassette torque meter SRK-CT" . On the back it has two paper labels, 1 marked CT-W, and the other a serial number. #3 gauge, looks identical to that one on ebay, and has no Nakamichi branding on it. IT does have same the blue label at #2 above " cassette torque meter SRK-CT" yet it is clearly a different gauge. On the back are two paper labels as #2, one marked CT-100M, and the other a serial number as above. All these gauges were supplied to NZ by Nakamichi. I don't think it would come as a surprise if gauges #2/3 were simply bought in from TEAC and on supplied ( I think they used the CT- designation for their test tapes.. but cannot confirm as that page has gone from their web site..or perhaps Sony), . In later years, Nakamichi probably didn't care about rebranding the gauges as the cat would have been out of the bag as to the real source by then!. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pär Ericsson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette > Looks almost like a Sony CQ-102C to me! > > > Pelle. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 1:48 PM > Subject: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette > > >> >> I saw this on eBay. >> >> I own a couple of genuine Nakamichi torque cassettes, and neither of them >> look like this. Furthermore, ALL of my Nakamichi alignment gauges and >> cassettes clearly say "Nakamichi" somewhere on them, along with the >> Nakamichi part number. >> >> This cassette doesn't have any Nakamichi indication on it, nor does that >> part number match anything I have come across. >> >> Yet this item appears to be represented as being a genuine Nakamichi >> tool. >> >> Anyone care to comment? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-57793-000-TEST-TORQUE-CASSETTE_W0QQitemZ160277016060QQihZ006QQcategoryZ14962QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> >> *andy* >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From luis at peromarta.org Sun Aug 31 12:13:51 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:13:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: <48B9A00A.6040205@verizon.net> References: <200808290725.m7T7PEwp016120@zxe.naks.com> <48B9A00A.6040205@verizon.net> Message-ID: <85CA5D0E-A277-4EDF-9EF8-464F49C231A4@peromarta.org> Thanks Ron, who would like to wirte a small doc on head cleaning ? LP. El 30/08/2008, a las 21:31, Ron escribió: Luis, OK, I will write a Sankyo transport service guide. Won't happen exactly tomorrow, but when I get a round tuit. However, I will do it.. If someone else wants to write it, please let me know. No sense in two people putting in the time. -- Ron Luis Peromarta wrote: > > Guys, > > this question has been asked one thousand times. Could someone > please write the information on the WIKI pages so it's there for good? > > Same would apply to other well know and / or returning questions. > How about it? > > Best rgds, LP. > > > > El 29/08/2008, a las 9:24, John C. Bowne escribió: > >> I have just joined naktalk and have owned my BX-100 since 1986, but >> after all the talk about maintenance, I realize that I don't know >> what to use to clean the heads. Is denatured alcohol OK? What do >> you use? >> >> John Bowne >> Poway, CA >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sun Aug 31 22:33:58 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:33:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: <85CA5D0E-A277-4EDF-9EF8-464F49C231A4@peromarta.org> References: <200808290725.m7T7PEwp016120@zxe.naks.com> <48B9A00A.6040205@verizon.net> <85CA5D0E-A277-4EDF-9EF8-464F49C231A4@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <9B88CC65-793C-4422-BB29-A5FDDD95BAED@kvglabs.com> Hi Luis, I respectfully submit my white paper on head cleaning and demagnetizing, found at http://www.kvglabs.com/PDF/cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf The paper also addresses the issue of alcohol versus other cleaners. When I check my web site's log, it's always the most-viewed file on the website and has been for the past three years. On Aug 31, 2008, at 5:13 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Thanks Ron, > > who would like to wirte a small doc on head cleaning ? > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Aug 31 14:54:08 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:54:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning Message-ID: <083120081254.23716.48BA94700006C06C00005CA422155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I should clarify something I said earlier. I stated that isopropyl alcohol (91% solution) is fine for cleaning heads. Someone else stated -- correctly -- that isopropyl alcohol was not good for pinch rollers, as it would dry them out. I wanted to give the original poster a good, easily obtained product that would do a good job on his heads. I should have been more careful with my response, and should have included the warning about using isopropyl alcohol on rubber parts. So I will amend my original recommendation and state that isopropyl alcohol IS fine for cleaning heads, but not so good for pinch rollers. My apologies for not being clear enough.... *andy* From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 31 05:14:47 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:14:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Isopropyl Alcohol In-Reply-To: <448308.19455.qm@web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <448308.19455.qm@web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48BA0CA7.5030802@sbcglobal.net> For restoring rubber, I use RBR, manufactured by CAIG Laboratories. It works better than anything else I've used. Warren fripp_em wrote: > I get 99.953% Pure Anhydrous from MG chemicals at my local Frys electronics. It evaporates almost instantly so it won't attract particles. It is made for electronics, tape heads, etc. and won't harm plastic, or so they say: > > http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/824.html > > They also make a Rubber Renue, but I haven't tried it yet: > > http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/408a.html > > I can't find Isopropyl at my drug store with that high percent anymore, but you should be able to at an electronics store. > > David > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Aug 31 14:57:43 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:57:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] "Nakamichi" Torque Test Cassette Message-ID: <083120081257.28920.48BA954700020341000070F822155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, John: That's interesting! I'll have to look out for one of those Philips gauges! By the way, I do have the elusive Nakamichi Back Tension Gauge (DA09055A) in my arsenal. But it would be nifty not to have to swap gauges when measuring back tension. *andy* From ra.ah at verizon.net Sun Aug 31 17:35:05 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:35:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: <85CA5D0E-A277-4EDF-9EF8-464F49C231A4@peromarta.org> References: <200808290725.m7T7PEwp016120@zxe.naks.com> <48B9A00A.6040205@verizon.net> <85CA5D0E-A277-4EDF-9EF8-464F49C231A4@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <48BABA29.5010307@verizon.net> Luis, Once I get to it, I will include some info on Sankyo transport variations, cleaning heads, servicing pinch roller arms and replacing idler tires. Maybe more will come to mind as I start to put words on paper. If you can think up more topics, by all means, do tell. If we do it, we may as well do it right. Again: if someone else wants to do this, please let me know. -- Ron Luis Peromarta wrote: > Thanks Ron, > > who would like to wirte a small doc on head cleaning ? > > LP. > > El 30/08/2008, a las 21:31, Ron escribió: > > > Luis, > > OK, I will write a Sankyo transport service guide. Won't > happen exactly tomorrow, but when I get a round tuit. > However, I will do it.. > > If someone else wants to write it, please let me know. No > sense in two people putting in the time. > > -- Ron > > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: >> >> Guys, >> >> this question has been asked one thousand times. Could someone please >> write the information on the WIKI pages so it's there for good? >> >> Same would apply to other well know and / or returning questions. How >> about it? >> >> Best rgds, LP. >> >> >> >> El 29/08/2008, a las 9:24, John C. Bowne escribió: >> >>> I have just joined naktalk and have owned my BX-100 since 1986, but >>> after all the talk about maintenance, I realize that I don't know >>> what to use to clean the heads. Is denatured alcohol OK? What do >>> you use? >>> >>> John Bowne >>> Poway, CA >>> > From Tourek3 at wmconnect.com Sun Aug 31 19:25:47 2008 From: Tourek3 at wmconnect.com (Tourek3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:25:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 680 sluggish supply pinch roller Message-ID: My supply side pinch roller takes about 30 seconds to reach the capstan. I have done some searching and found other 6xx series that have had problems with this particular pinch roller. I'm hoping there is an easy fix for this because once it settles into place this deck really sounds great. Thank you Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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References: <180147.9944.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4931829E.4020000@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <4933908B.000003.05848@V-LOF9K8CYGGF41> Hi Fred, I received the belts - and changed them, eveything is OK now ! Just one question - in the belt kit THERE IS also a rubber washer dimensions approx. 15 mm diameter, inside - 9 mm , and 2 mm thick I don't see in the service manual such part ( I received it from UK !) Can you tell me where it goes ? Thanks Vladimir -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: imstp_animation_butterflies_en_020908.gif Type: image/gif Size: 31851 bytes Desc: not available URL: From DundisA at zhi.com Mon Dec 1 16:13:27 2008 From: DundisA at zhi.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:13:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX Manuals or Handles / Blanking Plates? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91859EF180ACA649859E8119373DABEE010B4CBE@uedmbx.UE.com> hi Steve I, too have been looking for an OM/SM for my 660zx (for some time now)... hoping that someone would make PDFs available on this site... I've been using an OM for the 670zx, which is very close... I could send you that PDF to use in the meanwhile if you are interested. Andy ________________________________ From: Steve Kulak [mailto:kulak at ozemail.com.au] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:11 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX Manuals or Handles / Blanking Plates? Hi, Does anyone on the list have owners / Service Manual for 660ZX available on PDF or hard copy? Also after the blanking plates or Rack Handles for this model if anyone has to sell, as recently purchased unit arrived without.. Thanks Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have been unsuccesful finding anthing anywhere online. > > Thanks... > > Rick From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Dec 1 20:45:09 2008 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann Services) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:45:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX Manuals or Handles In-Reply-To: <112a7fe30812011114k3fa4e5d1n143afd5704724c9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812011943.mB1JhXS0016365@zxe.naks.com> Hi Rick - I have a service manual for the unit which I will add to my manuals to be pdf'd as soon as I have the opportunity. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of MD Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:14 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 660ZX Manuals or Handles Hi Rick, I have handles for 660zx,contact me off list if interested.Thanks.Regards,M On 12/1/08, RICHARD FIne wrote: > > I am also needing a pdf copy of the owners and service manual for the 660zx > deck. I have been unsuccesful finding anthing anywhere online. > > Thanks... > > Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From benstratford at aol.co.uk Mon Dec 1 21:58:28 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:58:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 660ZX Manuals or Handles In-Reply-To: <112a7fe30812011114k3fa4e5d1n143afd5704724c9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <112a7fe30812011114k3fa4e5d1n143afd5704724c9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB220EB1D24266-F6C-9AF@mblk-d16.sysops.aol.com> i have a service manual pdf but it is too big to attach to an email, any suggestions? rgds, Ben -----Original Message----- From: MD To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:14 Subject: Re: [naktalk] 660ZX Manuals or Handles Hi Rick, I have handles for 660zx,contact me off list if interested.Thanks.Regards,M On 12/1/08, RICHARD FIne wrote: > > I am also needing a pdf copy of the owners and service manual for the 660zx > deck. 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I have been unsuccesful finding anthing anywhere online. >> >> Thanks... >> >> Rick > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From charlesp at sfbrgenetics.org Mon Dec 1 23:34:21 2008 From: charlesp at sfbrgenetics.org (Charles Peterson) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:34:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1 In-Reply-To: <200812011100.mB1B0oHw004325@zxe.naks.com> References: <200812011100.mB1B0oHw004325@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <042C49B6-DFFF-43B4-8030-6913D5824E23@sfbrgenetics.org> I just won a Cassette Deck 1 on ebay. But it immediately drops out of play. Capstan isn't even turning. Where can I get a Nakamichi deck fixed these days? What are some of the cheaper repair centers? I have some other Nakamichi decks, but I wanted a CD1 because of playback azimuth adjustment. Charles From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 02:24:17 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:24:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Power rating for T100 Unit Message-ID: <297713.18554.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi friends, I recently acquired a T-100 unit from Europe and its an AC  220 volt unit 50/60 cycles and I am in the USA utilizing 110 V 60cycle AC current from the mains. Whats is the wattage of this unit for me to Buy a step up voltage converter for this unit to be used here in the US? Thanks for the answer in advance. Regards, Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John Chapman ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 2 22:01:39 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:01:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Power rating for T100 Unit In-Reply-To: <200812021656.mB2GuuEf013786@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <660347.36554.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> :) not at all Willy. I am actually comparing the DD ZXL and the Limited side by side. Shall post tonight on naktalk and zxl forums. Regards, Ram --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Willy Hermann Services wrote: From: Willy Hermann Services Subject: RE: [naktalk] Power rating for T100 Unit To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com, "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 11:58 AM Ram –   The mains fuse is 250mA for both the 120 and 240 versions so a one amp converter should be enough.   Ram with a T-100 could be dangerous!   Willy   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:24 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Power rating for T100 Unit   Hi friends, I recently acquired a T-100 unit from Europe and its an AC  220 volt unit 50/60 cycles and I am in the USA utilizing 110 V 60cycle AC current from the mains. Whats is the wattage of this unit for me to Buy a step up voltage converter for this unit to be used here in the US ? Thanks for the answer in advance. Regards, Ram   ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Tue Dec 2 22:02:14 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:02:14 EST Subject: [naktalk] Power rating for T100 Unit Message-ID: Yes Ram, Donate it to me! LOL:) Thanks! Ali In a message dated 12/2/2008 2:34:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, willy at willyhermannservices.com writes: Ram – The mains fuse is 250mA for both the 120 and 240 versions so a one amp converter should be enough. Ram with a T-100 could be dangerous! Willy ____________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:24 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Power rating for T100 Unit Hi friends, I recently acquired a T-100 unit from Europe and its an AC 220 volt unit 50/60 cycles and I am in the USA utilizing 110 V 60cycle AC current from the mains. Whats is the wattage of this unit for me to Buy a step up voltage converter for this unit to be used here in the US? Thanks for the answer in advance. Regards, Ram ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 02:18:13 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shantiram2000) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:18:13 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. Message-ID: --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- From jmaniyat at hotmail.com Wed Dec 3 03:45:06 2008 From: jmaniyat at hotmail.com (Jacob Maniyatte) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:45:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape drive question In-Reply-To: <493003CF.90707@verizon.net> References: <493003CF.90707@verizon.net> Message-ID: Recently my CR-7A date of mfg 1991 has been having transport problems. The tape control buttons occassionally stops responding to any button pushes. Upon opening the cover I discovered the transport control motor with the 3 micro switches ride on plastic cams driven by this motor are not turning. After some fiddling around the motor suddenly started to move and the micro swithces move in the right sequence and the transport works for days perfectly. Any one out there know what causes this motor to stop moving at times, thereby my tape transport just freezing up. Jim _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The reel motor will not run in play mode because of no voltage drive from the motor controller board, I am sure this is a common problem, can anyone help? regards ken From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Dec 3 12:05:59 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:05:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A tape drive question In-Reply-To: References: <493003CF.90707@verizon.net> Message-ID: <49366817.3080801@yahoo.ca> Hi, yes, it's a common problem. The cam motor needs to be rebuilt, which is a simple repair job. Here you have the Sankyo transport control motor cleaning procedure: http://naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=technical Cheers, Antoine Jacob Maniyatte a écrit : > Recently my CR-7A date of mfg 1991 has been having transport problems. > The tape control buttons occassionally stops responding to any button > pushes. Upon opening the cover I discovered the transport control > motor with the 3 micro switches ride on plastic cams driven by this > motor are not turning. After some fiddling around the motor suddenly > started to move and the micro swithces move in the right sequence and > the transport works for days perfectly. Any one out there know what > causes this motor to stop moving at times, thereby my tape transport > just freezing up. > Jim > > > From oldbluesman at earthlink.net Wed Dec 3 15:42:23 2008 From: oldbluesman at earthlink.net (Andy Jones) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:42:23 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] I'm selling my CR-7A Message-ID: <11437666.1228315343966.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hey all, I don't post in here to often but you guys all showed me the way when I was getting into this a few years ago. I am forced to sell my CR-7A S/N A130 08068 and I know someone in this group would give it a great home. My deck was fully restored by ESL in Feb of 2006 and has all possible upgrades, I have approx $1600 into it and has been used approx 200 hours since restoration and has been pampered like a baby. This deck is so beautiful and terrific sounding I really don't want to sell it but I have no choice. I am asking $1200 If you could or know of someone who could give this deck a good home please email me. I have receipts for the deck purchase and restoration from ESL, owners & service manual and I can put up some pictures if needed. Thanks all, Andrew Jones From sawz24 at hotmail.com Wed Dec 3 16:49:42 2008 From: sawz24 at hotmail.com (Russ Wilton) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:49:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] n480 Message-ID: Hi,The fastforward on my 480 quit and I have a service manual,everything works as it should except the ff.Any ideas???Thanx Russ _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 3 17:09:37 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:09:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. Message-ID: <11042661.1228320577400.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: shantiram2000 >Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. > >--- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: > >Hi friends, > >For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to >my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. > >I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the >Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with >the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the >gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. > >The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 >running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from >the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and >the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to >each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, >connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. > >The following listening tests were conducted: > >1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the >Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the >DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of >sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far >better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. > >2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated >them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both >simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, >however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound >was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but >only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and >open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp >to arrive at this, but the difference was there. > >3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of >the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of >the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the >Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. > >4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. >Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape >recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the >Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from >the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and >just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, >punchier and plain better. > >5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each >and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck >showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any >passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah >Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre >Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited >was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old >SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on >my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by >record companies in the 1970s-1980s. > >6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL >restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the >exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the >680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was >king of all! > >7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's >where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD >played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, >full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. > >The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close >by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. > >To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not >sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the >superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances >built into the transport, motors, etc... > >Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the >ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the >transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the >Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok >ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. > >I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. > >Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try >it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another >calibrated ZXL. > >Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and >writing this! > >Back to more music....... > >Thanks for reading this wordy note. > >Regards, >Ram > >--- End forwarded message --- > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 3 17:17:05 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:17:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Help with 482z] Message-ID: <25533773.1228321025379.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ken, Common cause is a slipping cam belt. SBS5.0 or SBM5.1 are common generics, and the belt can be changed without significant disassembly. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Wouter Heijke >Sent: Dec 3, 2008 5:30 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Help with 482z] > >---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- >From: "ken lee" >Date: Wed, December 3, 2008 09:01 >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Hi Everyone >I am a returning member to this forum >I own a 482z nak cassette machine that will not "play", as soon as the >play button is pressed the tape transport mechanism loads then >immediately releases, the reel motor (used to maintain tape tension >during "play") will not rotate, but is ok as the machine's FF and REW >function work and use the same motor. The reel motor will not run in >play mode because of no voltage drive from the motor controller board, I >am sure this is a common problem, can anyone help? >regards ken > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 3 17:19:03 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:19:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] n480 Message-ID: <7337820.1228321143216.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Dec 3 18:09:21 2008 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann Services) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:09:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. In-Reply-To: <11042661.1228320577400.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200812031709.mB3H9YKD013712@zxe.naks.com> Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: shantiram2000 >Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. > >--- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: > >Hi friends, > >For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to >my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. > >I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the >Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with >the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the >gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. > >The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 >running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from >the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and >the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to >each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, >connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. > >The following listening tests were conducted: > >1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the >Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the >DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of >sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far >better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. > >2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated >them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both >simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, >however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound >was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but >only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and >open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp >to arrive at this, but the difference was there. > >3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of >the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of >the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the >Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. > >4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. >Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape >recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the >Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from >the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and >just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, >punchier and plain better. > >5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each >and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck >showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any >passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah >Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre >Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited >was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old >SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on >my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by >record companies in the 1970s-1980s. > >6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL >restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the >exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the >680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was >king of all! > >7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's >where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD >played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, >full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. > >The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close >by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. > >To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not >sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the >superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances >built into the transport, motors, etc... > >Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the >ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the >transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the >Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok >ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. > >I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. > >Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try >it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another >calibrated ZXL. > >Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and >writing this! > >Back to more music....... > >Thanks for reading this wordy note. > >Regards, >Ram > >--- End forwarded message --- > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Wed Dec 3 18:43:32 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:43:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak NR-200 rack ears Message-ID: Does anyone have rack ears and the screws for Nakamichi NR-200 Dolby unit? If so, I'd be interested in buying it. Regards, Gene email: gene at jazzgenemusic.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Dec 3 18:21:22 2008 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann Services) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:21:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Help with 482z] In-Reply-To: <24813.82.210.249.81.1228300254.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <200812031721.mB3HLVFq014063@zxe.naks.com> Actually, that's not a very common problem. If the fast wind modes work but the voltage at the spooling motor disappears at play, check D414, Q414 and Q415 in the motor drive section on the main circuit board. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 2:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] [Fwd: Help with 482z] ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- From: "ken lee" Date: Wed, December 3, 2008 09:01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Everyone I am a returning member to this forum I own a 482z nak cassette machine that will not "play", as soon as the play button is pressed the tape transport mechanism loads then immediately releases, the reel motor (used to maintain tape tension during "play") will not rotate, but is ok as the machine's FF and REW function work and use the same motor. The reel motor will not run in play mode because of no voltage drive from the motor controller board, I am sure this is a common problem, can anyone help? regards ken ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 21:47:36 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:47:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. In-Reply-To: <200812031709.mB3H9YKD013712@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <401616.41192.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Willy,   May the force be with you.   Regards, ram --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Willy Hermann Services wrote: From: Willy Hermann Services Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. To: "'Tom Brucker'" , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 12:09 PM Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: shantiram2000 >Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. > >--- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: > >Hi friends, > >For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to >my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. > >I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the >Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with >the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the >gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. > >The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 >running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from >the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and >the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to >each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, >connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. > >The following listening tests were conducted: > >1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the >Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the >DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of >sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far >better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. > >2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated >them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both >simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, >however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound >was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but >only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and >open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp >to arrive at this, but the difference was there. > >3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of >the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of >the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the >Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. > >4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. >Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape >recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the >Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from >the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and >just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, >punchier and plain better. > >5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each >and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck >showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any >passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah >Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre >Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited >was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old >SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on >my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by >record companies in the 1970s-1980s. > >6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL >restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the >exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the >680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was >king of all! > >7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's >where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD >played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, >full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. > >The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close >by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. > >To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not >sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the >superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances >built into the transport, motors, etc... > >Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the >ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the >transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the >Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok >ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. > >I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. > >Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try >it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another >calibrated ZXL. > >Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and >writing this! > >Back to more music....... > >Thanks for reading this wordy note. > >Regards, >Ram > >--- End forwarded message --- > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 3 22:07:28 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:07:28 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Message-ID: <11815103.1228338448337.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Willy, The ZXL head is a hand selected head. The bad ones went to RX505 and ZX-7 decks! I guess to clarify, the classic head will work in a Dragon mechanism. I'd still be interested in DD ZXL vs. Dragon, just because, in high end audio, the mechanical often is the difference between good and great sound. Since the Dragon is generally considered the #3 Nak soundwise, would a Dragon with a classic play head sound better?? A "Dragon ZX" if you will. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Willy Hermann Services >Sent: Dec 3, 2008 11:09 AM >To: 'Tom Brucker' , 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. > >Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do >any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that >different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a >standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have >your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL >test unit now. > >Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL >head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. > >Willy > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Tom Brucker >Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. >Andthe Winner is..........Read on. > >Ram, > What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you >might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. >The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) >differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument >dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will >yield differences. > I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when >cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. > An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would >tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic >head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open >play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). > >tom brucker > >-----Original Message----- >>From: shantiram2000 >>Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And >the Winner is..........Read on. >> >>--- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: >> >>Hi friends, >> >>For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to >>my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. >> >>I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the >>Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with >>the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the >>gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. >> >>The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 >>running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from >>the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and >>the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to >>each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, >>connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. >> >>The following listening tests were conducted: >> >>1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the >>Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the >>DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of >>sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far >>better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. >> >>2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated >>them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both >>simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, >>however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound >>was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but >>only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and >>open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp >>to arrive at this, but the difference was there. >> >>3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of >>the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of >>the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the >>Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. >> >>4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. >>Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape >>recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the >>Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from >>the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and >>just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, >>punchier and plain better. >> >>5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each >>and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck >>showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any >>passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah >>Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre >>Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited >>was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old >>SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on >>my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by >>record companies in the 1970s-1980s. >> >>6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL >>restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the >>exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the >>680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was >>king of all! >> >>7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's >>where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD >>played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, >>full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. >> >>The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close >>by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. >> >>To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not >>sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the >>superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances >>built into the transport, motors, etc... >> >>Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the >>ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the >>transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the >>Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok >>ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. >> >>I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. >> >>Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try >>it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another >>calibrated ZXL. >> >>Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and >>writing this! >> >>Back to more music....... >> >>Thanks for reading this wordy note. >> >>Regards, >>Ram >> >>--- End forwarded message --- >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Dec 4 00:26:32 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:26:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. In-Reply-To: <200812031709.mB3H9YKD013712@zxe.naks.com> References: <200812031709.mB3H9YKD013712@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <493715A8.3030504@verizon.net> Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: > Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do > any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that > different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a > standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have > your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL > test unit now. > > Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL > head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. > > Willy > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Tom Brucker > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. > Andthe Winner is..........Read on. > > Ram, > What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you > might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. > The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) > differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument > dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will > yield differences. > I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when > cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. > An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would > tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic > head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open > play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: shantiram2000 >> Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And >> > the Winner is..........Read on. > >> --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: >> >> Hi friends, >> >> For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to >> my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. >> >> I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the >> Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with >> the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the >> gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. >> >> The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 >> running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from >> the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and >> the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to >> each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, >> connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. >> >> The following listening tests were conducted: >> >> 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the >> Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the >> DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of >> sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far >> better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. >> >> 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated >> them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both >> simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, >> however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound >> was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but >> only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and >> open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp >> to arrive at this, but the difference was there. >> >> 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of >> the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of >> the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the >> Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. >> >> 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. >> Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape >> recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the >> Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from >> the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and >> just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, >> punchier and plain better. >> >> 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each >> and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck >> showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any >> passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah >> Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre >> Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited >> was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old >> SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on >> my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by >> record companies in the 1970s-1980s. >> >> 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL >> restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the >> exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the >> 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was >> king of all! >> >> 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's >> where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD >> played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, >> full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. >> >> The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close >> by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. >> >> To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not >> sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the >> superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances >> built into the transport, motors, etc... >> >> Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the >> ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the >> transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the >> Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok >> ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. >> >> I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. >> >> Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try >> it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another >> calibrated ZXL. >> >> Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and >> writing this! >> >> Back to more music....... >> >> Thanks for reading this wordy note. >> >> Regards, >> Ram >> >> --- End forwarded message --- >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <493715A8.3030504@verizon.net> References: <200812031709.mB3H9YKD013712@zxe.naks.com> <493715A8.3030504@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8CB23DAFBBFDA0A-173C-131F@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> Hi Ron,? You are absolutely! right there!? I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got? my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!)?and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality? 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of? Luis who told me to do so in his ?email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited!? I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel --? and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts? Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL? may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transpor t, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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The stopping process killed the voltage to the motor, I could see it reducing to the "play" level before disappearing, I mistakenly thought the electronics were not supplying the "play" volts. The result of all this is I need a new tyre, who can supply these? regards ken From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Thu Dec 4 14:44:44 2008 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:44:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Help with 482z In-Reply-To: <49376F22.5040006@people.net.au> Message-ID: <51977.54865.qm@web55101.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Ken, contact ESL.   Jayson  --- On Thu, 12/4/08, ken lee wrote: From: ken lee Subject: [naktalk] Help with 482z To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 12:48 AM Thanks to Tom and Willy for responding to my help with 482z plea, I have located the problem a worn idler tyre, I exerted extra pressure on the idler wheel and it continued to play as opposed to "unloading" and stopping. The stopping process killed the voltage to the motor, I could see it reducing to the "play" level before disappearing, I mistakenly thought the electronics were not supplying the "play" volts. The result of all this is I need a new tyre, who can supply these? regards ken ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Dec 4 15:11:17 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:11:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best Sounding Naks In-Reply-To: <174650.7981.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <174650.7981.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4937E505.4060906@verizon.net> jayson levitz wrote: > Hi Tom. > > This is probably going to start a firestorm of controversy. > > You say that the Dragon is the 3rd best sounding Nak. > Well, this is a contradiction of terms. Equipment shouldn't have a sound of its own. If/when it does, it certainly is not the 'best', or even 'good'. The equipment should reproduce the exact signal within the recording. The more exactly, the better the equipment is. However, this is just one opinion, of one *objectivist*. Many people don't give a damn about what's in the recording and simply prefer equipment that sounds good to them, regardless of its faithfulness (or lack thereof) to the original sound. These * subjectivists* wax poetic about equipment that sounds 'warm' (that is, imparts a specific distortion to the sound). So, the objectivist's answer to your question (probably prefer the CR-7 to the Dragon or ZX-9) would be quite different that the subjectivist's.(who will answer in the reverse). I haven't listened to a 1000ZXL enough to form an opinion. Just FYI,, we've been through this before. But, when people talk about the 'sound of equipment', maybe it bears repetition. -- Ron > I thought that the best sounding Naks are (in order of manufacture) > the 1000ZXL, ZX9, Dragon & CR-7. Can you put these in order of best > sounding in your opinion, and add any more you think worthy of this > distinction. > > Thanks. > > Jayson > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Dec 4 16:59:47 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:59:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best Sounding Naks In-Reply-To: <4937E505.4060906@verizon.net> References: <174650.7981.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4937E505.4060906@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4937FE73.2010106@verizon.net> Hi, all, To my surprise, I find that I do not have a BX-100 service manual. Does anyone here have a pdf file that that they could email me or let me download? I will be eternally grateful. TIA, -- Ron From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Dec 4 19:50:07 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:50:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reel motor for sankyo transports In-Reply-To: <4937FE73.2010106@verizon.net> References: <174650.7981.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4937E505.4060906@verizon.net> <4937FE73.2010106@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4938265F.2010303@verizon.net> There has been some discussion around sources and availability of reel motors for Sankyo transports.. Well, I happen to have on hand a small supply of similar motors, that should be applicable as reel motors. These are model RF-370CN, brand new (removed from new equipment that was never put into service) and very reasonable. There are enough to meet not only my own needs, but probably most on this list. Physically, these motors are not identical to original Nak reel motors. Body is slightly longer, with a slightly smaller diameter. Shaft length is very close to the original. However, the mounting holes are closer together, so it will be necessary to slot the holes in the mounting plate (Nakamichi calls it "reel motor holder", P/N OC80030A in the CR series). Otherwise, it should fit nicely into all Sankyo transports, including the DD models. The good news is that this motor runs reliably at 1.4V (no load), which is the prime requirement from reel motors (12V Mabuchi motors that I have measured required 3V and up and were not suitable). Of course, the only way to be sure is to test by installing the motor and testing for extended periods, mostly in PB mode. This has to be done at least 3 time -- on both belt and direct drive models, and also on rubber and gears idlers. I happen to have on hand a rubber idler BX-100, that will serve as the first test bed. Once (and if) successful, I will post a call for anyone that wants a new reel motor installed on their DD (hopefully, with gear idler) deck, for the price of shipping it back and forth. I'll keep yo'll posted, -- Ron From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 4 20:30:21 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:30:21 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Best Sounding Naks Message-ID: <23557563.1228419021191.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 4 20:38:00 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:38:00 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Best Sounding Naks Message-ID: <1947887.1228419480387.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From solexny at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 20:46:58 2008 From: solexny at gmail.com (Dan Moy) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:46:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best Sounding Naks In-Reply-To: <23557563.1228419021191.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <23557563.1228419021191.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44ae93bf0812041146h3107aacr7d6222dd9ffbff7c@mail.gmail.com> Ok then I vote for my BX-300, best sounding deck for $65.00.... On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Many say the 682ZX is #2. You are correct that there are many versions of > the "best" list. We even threatened to make the CR1 the "best" to suit our > evil ways! I won't pretend to put Nak decks in order. the beauty of > Nakamichi is that the decks make deliberate, distinct design choices. It > then becomes the Nak owner's job to weigh his/her own values to choose "the > best Nakamichi". > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jayson levitz > Sent: Dec 3, 2008 7:06 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Best Sounding Naks > > Hi Tom. > > This is probably going to start a firestorm of controversy. > > You say that the Dragon is the 3rd best sounding Nak. I thought that the > best sounding Naks are (in order of manufacture) the 1000ZXL, ZX9, Dragon & > CR-7. Can you put these in order of best sounding in your opinion, and add > any more you think worthy of this distinction. > > Thanks. > > Jayson > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211hitech77 at earthlink.nethitech@bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 4 20:49:29 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:49:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Reel motor for sankyo transports In-Reply-To: <4938265F.2010303@verizon.net> Message-ID: <802666.95297.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks, Ron. I was able to take my motor apart and restore it, but nothing lasts forever, and it'll be good to have a source for a replacement. Warren --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: [naktalk] Reel motor for sankyo transports To: NakChatt at yahoogroups.com Cc: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 1:50 PM There has been some discussion around sources and availability of reel motors for Sankyo transports.. Well, I happen to have on hand a small supply of similar motors, that should be applicable as reel motors. These are model RF-370CN, brand new (removed from new equipment that was never put into service) and very reasonable. There are enough to meet not only my own needs, but probably most on this list. Physically, these motors are not identical to original Nak reel motors. Body is slightly longer, with a slightly smaller diameter. Shaft length is very close to the original. However, the mounting holes are closer together, so it will be necessary to slot the holes in the mounting plate (Nakamichi calls it "reel motor holder", P/N OC80030A in the CR series). Otherwise, it should fit nicely into all Sankyo transports, including the DD models. The good news is that this motor runs reliably at 1.4V (no load), which is the prime requirement from reel motors (12V Mabuchi motors that I have measured required 3V and up and were not suitable). Of course, the only way to be sure is to test by installing the motor and testing for extended periods, mostly in PB mode. This has to be done at least 3 time -- on both belt and direct drive models, and also on rubber and gears idlers. I happen to have on hand a rubber idler BX-100, that will serve as the first test bed. Once (and if) successful, I will post a call for anyone that wants a new reel motor installed on their DD (hopefully, with gear idler) deck, for the price of shipping it back and forth. I'll keep yo'll posted, -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Dec 5 09:57:59 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:57:59 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Fidela Studio 77 Message-ID: <4870.82.210.249.81.1228467479.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> You don't see those a lot, Fidela (Aka Nakamichi) R2R recorders on ebay. There is one listed right now item: 220323784090 Anyone on the list who will go for it? Wouter From enoyes at snet.net Fri Dec 5 14:16:22 2008 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:16:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <49300581.4000006@verizon.net> References: <492d8b38.18068e0a.1e9c.ffff85b5@mx.google.com> <49300581.4000006@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9CBE13C3-A009-4F4E-BAEC-7D87BAA9B5FF@snet.net> To my thinking, the real advantage here would be having a 1000ZXL with NAAC capability! Does the mod include the NAAC circuitry as well? Best, ED On Nov 28, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Ron wrote: > > Willy, > > These must have been fun projects... I wonder, though, what > was the purely technical advantage. Did you measure the 'before > and after' W/F figures? Were the differences, if any, substantial > enough to justify the projects? Was it measurable (let alone, > audible)? > > -- Ron > > > > WillyHerm wrote: >> >> No, it has both DD motors in it. I'm in process of posting pix on >> www.willyhermannservices.com next to Ben Stratfords ZX-9/1000ZXL. >> >> Willy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Wouter Heijke >> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:31 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! >> >> Hi Ram/Willy, >> You talk about 'a motor', so only one DD motor was transplanted or >> has it >> both DD motors implanted? >> Willy, did you document anything with pictures for us to see? >> >> Wouter >> >> >>> After mulling through the idea of a direct drive 1000ZXL since May >>> 2007, my dreams of having one have been finally fulfilled by Willy >>> Herman( a member of this forum) with a Dragon DD motor transplanted >>> into one of my stock 1000ZXLs. Willy says it" works wonderfully >>> and sounds >>> >> magnificient!" >> >>> Thanks Willy fro your second direct drive Super deck. >>> >> >> > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 5 15:09:49 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:09:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <9CBE13C3-A009-4F4E-BAEC-7D87BAA9B5FF@snet.net> Message-ID: <792494.69294.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In my very humble opinion and with the decks I have auditioned( which include all top Naks and Teacs and Revoxes), I see really no real  need for NAAC in a properly calibrated and functioning 1000ZXL, unless one is running terribly azimuth handicapped recordings. Thats why WIlly and I chose to keep the ZXL heads in it and only transplant the DD(dual) capstan motors in the ZXL. In fact, in many listening comparisons that I have done with CR7/Dragon/ZXLs with various tapes, I have come away wondering why did they even build the playback azimuth adjustable decks!  Nakamichi, perhaps, wanted to showcase their microprocessor technology? In terms of the playback azimuth adjustment, I personally prefer the CR7's manual adjustment as opposed to the Dragon's NAAC, because I trust my ears more than the electronics! Just my 2 pennies. Enjoy the music. Ram --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Edward Noyes wrote: From: Edward Noyes Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 8:16 AM To my thinking, the real advantage here would be having a 1000ZXL with NAAC capability! Does the mod include the NAAC circuitry as well? Best, ED On Nov 28, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Ron wrote: Willy, These must have been fun projects... I wonder, though, what was the purely technical advantage. Did you measure the 'before and after' W/F figures? Were the differences, if any, substantial enough to justify the projects? Was it measurable (let alone, audible)? -- Ron WillyHerm wrote: No, it has both DD motors in it. I'm in process of posting pix on www.willyhermannservices.com next to Ben Stratfords ZX-9/1000ZXL. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! Hi Ram/Willy, You talk about 'a motor', so only one DD motor was transplanted or has it both DD motors implanted? Willy, did you document anything with pictures for us to see? Wouter After mulling through the idea of a direct drive 1000ZXL since May 2007, my dreams of having one have been finally fulfilled by Willy Herman( a member of this forum) with a Dragon DD motor transplanted into one of my stock 1000ZXLs. Willy says it" works wonderfully and sounds magnificient!" 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URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Dec 5 16:25:38 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:25:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <200812051100.mB5B0U7e009018@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <514495.33870.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I actually agree with this wholeheartedly. It's exactly why tube stages are so popular-they sound 'warm & wonderful' to many, yet I've always maintained there is coloration going on, even if the system sounds 'sweet' and is easy to live with. Even in Conrad Johnson equipment, there is a particular 'sound' engineered into every unit and the designers will reluctantly admit to this. Faithful music reproduction has given way to the listening experience itself. Whatever the recording engineer did 'right or wrong', we have the technology to embellish on it. Is this a good thing (?), no and I would prefer my music reproduction equipment (SS) to be as cold and sterile as possible in its attempt to reproduce music (as much as I could afford it to be). However there's always compromises and the biggest ones in the chain of music reproduction are your speakers. Since given that your room listening environment and your speakers will be your least faithful at perfect music reproduction, why would you want the rest of your equipment to contribute to coloration as well? Anyway, those are just my thoughts as we discuss which Nak deck sounds the best. It should be which Nak deck sounds the most faithful to the music source. Kevin Message: 2 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:11:17 -0500 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best Sounding Naks To: jmlevitz at yahoo.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks     Message-ID: <4937E505.4060906 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" jayson levitz wrote: > Hi Tom. >  > This is probably going to start a firestorm of controversy. >  > You say that the Dragon is the 3rd best sounding Nak. > Well, this is a contradiction of terms. Equipment shouldn't have a sound of its own. If/when it does, it certainly is not the 'best', or even 'good'. The equipment should reproduce the exact signal within the recording. The more exactly, the better the equipment is. However, this is just one opinion, of one *objectivist*. Many people don't give a damn about what's in the recording and simply prefer equipment that sounds good to them, regardless of its faithfulness (or lack thereof) to the original sound. These * subjectivists* wax poetic about equipment that sounds 'warm' (that is, imparts a specific distortion to the sound). So, the objectivist's answer to your question (probably prefer the CR-7 to the Dragon or ZX-9) would be quite different that the subjectivist's.(who will answer in the reverse). I haven't listened to a 1000ZXL enough to form an opinion. Just FYI,, we've been through this before. But, when people talk about the 'sound of equipment',  maybe it bears repetition. -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Fri Dec 5 17:36:26 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:36:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <514495.33870.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have to disagree in that audio gear that reproduces the music exactly as it is on the source medium is the best way. 90 percent of commercial CDs, tapes, lps are so poorly recorded that you need something to improve it later in your listening environment. I am a musician and have recorded and performed with some very well known artists around the world. I have witnessed first hand how careless and non-detailed oriented many recording engineers can be. One of my albums was mastered by a Grammy winning engineer and it sounds horrible. If I had to listen back to the CD exactly as it is on the medium, I think I would really consider suing the guy. I also have absolute pitch and pitch control on some of my Nak decks are as important as the decks themselves. I was listening to a wonderful album by the great Andres Segovia and I was finally able to listen to the tracks in tune! On the LP and the CD, each track is way off tune. Matter of fact, there was not 1 track that was correct. Of course, Miles Davis "Kind of Blue" is famous for it being way off. Many great recorded jazz music is so bad sonically that I can't imagine not having some control in the listening gear. Balance, EQ, pitch control, and some coloration is welcome from my point of view. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:26 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 5 I actually agree with this wholeheartedly. It's exactly why tube stages are so popular-they sound 'warm & wonderful' to many, yet I've always maintained there is coloration going on, even if the system sounds 'sweet' and is easy to live with. Even in Conrad Johnson equipment, there is a particular 'sound' engineered into every unit and the designers will reluctantly admit to this. Faithful music reproduction has given way to the listening experience itself. Whatever the recording engineer did 'right or wrong', we have the technology to embellish on it. Is this a good thing (?), no and I would prefer my music reproduction equipment (SS) to be as cold and sterile as possible in its attempt to reproduce music (as much as I could afford it to be). However there's always compromises and the biggest ones in the chain of music reproduction are your speakers. Since given that your room listening environment and your speakers will be your least faithful at perfect music reproduction, why would you want the rest of your equipment to contribute to coloration as well? Anyway, those are just my thoughts as we discuss which Nak deck sounds the best. It should be which Nak deck sounds the most faithful to the music source. Kevin Message: 2 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:11:17 -0500 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best Sounding Naks To: jmlevitz at yahoo.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <4937E505.4060906 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" jayson levitz wrote: > Hi Tom. > > This is probably going to start a firestorm of controversy. > > You say that the Dragon is the 3rd best sounding Nak. > Well, this is a contradiction of terms. Equipment shouldn't have a sound of its own. If/when it does, it certainly is not the 'best', or even 'good'. The equipment should reproduce the exact signal within the recording. The more exactly, the better the equipment is. However, this is just one opinion, of one *objectivist*. Many people don't give a damn about what's in the recording and simply prefer equipment that sounds good to them, regardless of its faithfulness (or lack thereof) to the original sound. These * subjectivists* wax poetic about equipment that sounds 'warm' (that is, imparts a specific distortion to the sound). So, the objectivist's answer to your question (probably prefer the CR-7 to the Dragon or ZX-9) would be quite different that the subjectivist's.(who will answer in the reverse). I haven't listened to a 1000ZXL enough to form an opinion. Just FYI,, we've been through this before. But, when people talk about the 'sound of equipment', maybe it bears repetition. -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Dec 5 20:30:40 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:30:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Fidela Studio 77 In-Reply-To: <4870.82.210.249.81.1228467479.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <4870.82.210.249.81.1228467479.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <6E62172F-280C-4F99-A55E-2109D53410A9@kvglabs.com> Hi Wouter, Yes, I was planning to go for it. On Dec 5, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > > You don't see those a lot, Fidela (Aka Nakamichi) R2R recorders on > ebay. > There is one listed right now item: 220323784090 > > Anyone on the list who will go for it? > > Wouter > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Dec 5 20:51:48 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:51:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Fidela Studio 77 Message-ID: <11519.62.194.57.217.1228506708.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Kermit, Good at least a naktalker is going for it, if you win let us know how it is! Wouter > Hi Wouter, > > Yes, I was planning to go for it. > > On Dec 5, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > >> >> You don't see those a lot, Fidela (Aka Nakamichi) R2R recorders on >> ebay. >> There is one listed right now item: 220323784090 >> >> Anyone on the list who will go for it? >> >> Wouter From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 5 21:54:46 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:54:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fidela Studio 77 In-Reply-To: <11519.62.194.57.217.1228506708.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <120520082054.20326.493995160003F53B00004F6622193100029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> I've heard talk about the "mythical" Nakamichi (aka) Fidelia reel to reel and now to see it in all its brick and mortar splendor is a discovery indeed. Does anyone have information regarding the history and engineering resources of this brand? I am very curious why Nakamichi decided against 1/4" or other size tape medium. If anyone decides to pick up this item I also hope it is someone in this club who can tell us their impression and compare against Technics/Akai/Tandberg/Revox/Teac etc. -------------- Original message from "Wouter Heijke" : -------------- > Hi Kermit, > Good at least a naktalker is going for it, if you win let us know how it is! > Wouter > > > Hi Wouter, > > > > Yes, I was planning to go for it. > > > > On Dec 5, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > >> > >> You don't see those a lot, Fidela (Aka Nakamichi) R2R recorders on > >> ebay. > >> There is one listed right now item: 220323784090 > >> > >> Anyone on the list who will go for it? > >> > >> Wouter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Dec 6 01:37:23 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:37:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Fidela Studio 77 Message-ID: <4E5E599B-30F3-4034-B90F-0F5851852057@alumni.caltech.edu> > I am very curious why Nakamichi decided against 1/4" or other size > tape medium. If anyone decides to pick up this item I also hope it > is someone in this club who can tell us their impression and > compare against Technics/Akai/Tandberg/Revox/Teac etc. Huh? Looks like 1/4" to me; where is there info that says it isn't?-kby From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 6 01:43:18 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:43:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fidela Studio 77 In-Reply-To: <4E5E599B-30F3-4034-B90F-0F5851852057@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <120620080043.16135.4939CAA600080FB600003F0722243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Do you know of any other "Nakamichi" R2R's? Please advise. Inquiring minds would love to know...dino -------------- Original message from "Kimo B. Yap" : -------------- > > I am very curious why Nakamichi decided against 1/4" or other size > > tape medium. If anyone decides to pick up this item I also hope it > > is someone in this club who can tell us their impression and > > compare against Technics/Akai/Tandberg/Revox/Teac etc. > > Huh? Looks like 1/4" to me; where is there info that says it isn't?-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 01:54:45 2008 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 19:54:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fidela Studio 77 In-Reply-To: <120620080043.16135.4939CAA600080FB600003F0722243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> References: <4E5E599B-30F3-4034-B90F-0F5851852057@alumni.caltech.edu> <120620080043.16135.4939CAA600080FB600003F0722243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <112a7fe30812051654h25579c57kf7316eec05d88390@mail.gmail.com> They also made a few under Oki name,the first one was "MagicTone" tube recorder. On 12/5/08, ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: > Do you know of any other "Nakamichi" R2R's? Please advise. Inquiring minds > would love to know...dino > -------------- Original message from "Kimo B. Yap" > : -------------- > > >> > I am very curious why Nakamichi decided against 1/4" or other size >> > tape medium. If anyone decides to pick up this item I also hope it >> > is someone in this club who can tell us their impression and >> > compare against Technics/Akai/Tandberg/Revox/Teac etc. >> >> Huh? Looks like 1/4" to me; where is there info that says it isn't?-kby >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Dec 6 03:06:37 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:06:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Best sounding Naks Message-ID: <489958.43862.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Gene, There are no clear winners in this muddy debate. Many have chosen to tailor make their music reproduction equipment so that they can color the end product in their own  listening environ, to suit their own tastes. The whole goal in the beginning  however, was to give as close to an original recording in your listening environ as was possible-we took the notion for granted that recording engineers were perfectionists, for the most part.. Granted, many recording engineers today are nowhere near as persnickety as a Kermit Gray or a Lee Hazen. It's a sad fact I guess, that rode in on the relative ease of using digital recording in live performances. And I don't see anything wrong if your reproduction equipment has the ability to go 'off center' as long as when you do have an excellent recording, you can bring it back to absolute neutrality. I'm sure you remember equalizers...they were huge once and found in the best of systems. But what happened was predictable-another 'colored' device in the chain of music reproduction. In most houses the temptation was to keep tweaking them and the result was that the end sound was nowhere near the good music source. Kevin Gene Ess gene at jazzgenemusic.com Fri Dec 5 17:36:26 CET 2008 I have to disagree in that audio gear that reproduces the music exactly as it is on the source medium is the best way. 90 percent of commercial CDs, tapes, lps are so poorly recorded that you need something to improve it later in your listening environment. I am a musician and have recorded and performed with some very well known artists around the world. I have witnessed first hand how careless and non-detailed oriented many recording engineers can be. One of my albums was mastered by a Grammy winning engineer and it sounds horrible. If I had to listen back to the CD exactly as it is on the medium, I think I would really consider suing the guy. I also have absolute pitch and pitch control on some of my Nak decks are as important as the decks themselves. I was listening to a wonderful album by the great Andres Segovia and I was finally able to listen to the tracks in tune! On the LP and the CD, each track is way off tune. Matter of fact, there was not 1 track that was correct. Of course, Miles Davis "Kind of Blue" is famous for it being way off. Many great recorded jazz music is so bad sonically that I can't imagine not having some control in the listening gear. Balance, EQ, pitch control, and some coloration is welcome from my point of view. Gene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boeing747600 at aol.com Sat Dec 6 03:55:25 2008 From: boeing747600 at aol.com (boeing747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:55:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <792494.69294.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB2565395046A9-90-FD3@webmail-md01.sysops.aol.com> Hi Ram, It just occured to me a more fair comparision would have between? a regular 1000zxl with?stock transport and the DD 1000zxl? not the limited,, that would give us more insight as to any gains acheived as a result of this experiment between stock 1000zxl and the dd zxl.. Also both these decks under test should be in the same tune up state other than having different transports. In theory direct drive points toward more stable and rock steady speed but like the differences in sound from?belt drive and the direct drive turntables, a well designed belt drive turntable always seems to beat the direct drive turntable except for the $100,000 direct drive turntables from? of rockport? of USA and colibrium from Australia? as?were reviewed?in the?stereophile magazine. The reason given almost always is that belt provides better isolation from motor induced vibration to the cartridge than direct drive turntable where? the drive motor in a part of the platter resulting in vibration being picked up by the stylus. How much of this explanation applies in case of cassette deck is moot.Thanks! Ali Ali. -----Original Message----- From: shanti ramachandran shantiram2000 at yahoo.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 9:09 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In my very humble opinion and with the decks I have auditioned( which include all top Naks and Teacs and Revoxes), I see really no real? need for NAAC in a properly calibrated and functioning 1000ZXL, unless one is running terribly azimuth handicapped recordings. Thats why WIlly and I chose to keep the ZXL heads in it and only transplant the DD(dual) capstan motors in the ZXL. In fact, in many listening comparisons that I have done with CR7/Dragon/ZXLs with various tapes, I have come away wondering why did they even build the playback azimuth adjustable decks!? Nakamichi, perhaps, wanted to showcase their microprocessor technology? In terms of the playback azimuth adjustment, I personally prefer the CR7's manual adjustment as opposed to the Dragon's NAAC, because I trust my ears more than the electronics! Just my 2 pennies. Enjoy the music. Ram --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Edward Noyes wrote: From: Edward Noyes Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 8:16 AM To my thinking, the real advantage here would be having a 1000ZXL with NAAC capability! Does the mod include the NAAC circuitry as well? Best, ED On Nov 28, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Ron wrote: Willy, These must have been fun projects... I wonder, though, what was the purely technical advantage. Did you measure the 'before and after' W/F figures? Were the differences, if any, substantial enough to justify the projects? Was it measurable (let alone, audible)? -- Ron WillyHerm wrote: No, it has both DD motors in it. I'm in process of posting pix on www.willyhermannservices.com next to Ben Stratfords ZX-9/1000ZXL. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! Hi Ram/Willy, You talk about 'a motor', so only one DD motor was transplanted or has it both DD motors implanted? Willy, did you document anything with pictures for us to see? Wouter After mulling through the idea of a direct drive 1000ZXL since May 2007, my dreams of having one have been finally fulfilled by Willy Herman( a member of this forum) with a Dragon DD motor transplanted into one of my stock 1000ZXLs. Willy says it" works wonderfully and sounds magnificient!" Thanks Willy fro your second direct drive Super deck. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ?????????Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ???????????????????????Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.rinewalt at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 04:03:50 2008 From: chris.rinewalt at gmail.com (Chris Rinewalt) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 19:03:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <792494.69294.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9CBE13C3-A009-4F4E-BAEC-7D87BAA9B5FF@snet.net> <792494.69294.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79c3cfa80812051903o68dcbe14ge9032f6974cbe12f@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:09 AM, shanti ramachandran wrote: > In my very humble opinion and with the decks I have auditioned( which > include all top Naks and Teacs and Revoxes), I see really no real need for > NAAC in a properly calibrated and functioning 1000ZXL, unless one is running > terribly azimuth handicapped recordings. Thats why WIlly and I chose to keep > the ZXL heads in it and only transplant the DD(dual) capstan motors in the > ZXL. > > In fact, in many listening comparisons that I have done with > CR7/Dragon/ZXLs with various tapes, I have come away wondering why did they > even build the playback azimuth adjustable decks! Nakamichi, perhaps, > wanted to showcase their microprocessor technology? > > In terms of the playback azimuth adjustment, I personally prefer the CR7's > manual adjustment as opposed to the Dragon's NAAC, because I trust my ears > more than the electronics! > > Just my 2 pennies. > > Enjoy the music. > > Ram > The main reason I purchased both a Dragon and a CR-7A was for their playback azimuth adjustment. While I have only about 60 or so pre-recorded tapes, I have ~ 150 live concert tapes (and frequently transfer tapes from loaned out masters). As these tapes came from multiple traders and were recorded on multiple decks, I needed a deck that would allow for the most accurate playback of the material, including accounting for poor or varying azimuth while recording. This feature has come in quite hand on multiple occasions; what used to be a muddy recording has had its high end restored by simply adjusting the azimuth. But yes, on a pre-recorded tape, I would assume that "industry standards" for duplication would not require the playback azimuth to be adjusted much, if at all. What I don't understand is the inclusion of record head azimuth on decks. That seems like it could do much more harm than good. And without playback head adjustment, why bother? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gkwolfman at yahoo.com Sat Dec 6 15:44:05 2008 From: gkwolfman at yahoo.com (Gary Koepp) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:44:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] bx300 and the tri-tracer remote Message-ID: <263391.9915.qm@web81903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I recently purchased a bx300 that came with a remote.  It plugs in and operates just fine, all functions.  But during a web search, I come to find out it is the wired remote for a tri-tracer, not the bx300.   My question is, will using the tri-tracer remote on the bx300 damage the unit in any way. thanks in advance gary 2-bx300 owner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Dec 6 15:45:49 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:45:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <8CB2565395046A9-90-FD3@webmail-md01.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB2565395046A9-90-FD3@webmail-md01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <493A901D.9050301@verizon.net> The best evaluation would have been between the 1000ZXL and the same deck after replacement of the transport -- obviously, impossible to do. Instead, let's remember that the only difference was the transport. It's unlikely that changing the transport caused tonal differences (no, this is not analogous to changing the drive system in a turntable). The only relevant difference could be in the W/F figure and (assuming both transports were in good condition) even that, not by much. Do remember that both transports have better than average W/F specs to start with. So, not discounting Ram's impressions, I do not see his listening tests as conclusive. It is quite possible (even probable) that his LTD edition deck sounded better than his standard 1000ZXL, also before the modification. OTOH, I agree that his conclusions make sense: the modification does nothing but improve W/F (from very good to very good +) and probably is not worth the effort/cost. BTW, on the off topic of drive systems in turntables: DD is definitely a better solution than belt drive, both for lower noise/rumble as well as better speed accuracy and constancy, with *everything else being equal*. Unfortunately, everything is never quite equal. To meet audiophools' pre-conceived notions, manufacturers build belt drive TTs better than DD. Specifically, better bearings and (especially) better damping. Take for example my Dual CS-5000. It suffers from all the ills of belt drive (very long start up time, high W/F, mediocre rumble), but sounds quite good, nonetheless. It's damped platter; high mass rubber mat and excellent arm have a lot to do with it. Apply those to a DD turntable and it will trounce most belt drives. But, for some reason, I have never seen a DD TT employing all these features. -- Ron boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Ram, It just occured to me a more fair comparision would have > between a regular 1000zxl with stock transport and the DD 1000zxl > not the limited,, that would give us more insight as to any gains > acheived as a result of this experiment between stock 1000zxl and the > dd zxl.. Also both these decks under test should be in the same tune > up state other than having different transports. In theory direct > drive points toward more stable and rock steady speed but like the > differences in sound from belt drive and the direct drive turntables, > a well designed belt drive turntable always seems to beat the direct > drive turntable except for the $100,000 direct drive turntables from > of rockport of USA and colibrium from Australia as were reviewed in > the stereophile magazine. The reason given almost always is that belt > provides better isolation from motor induced vibration to the > cartridge than direct drive turntable where the dri! ve motor in a > part of the platter resulting in vibration being picked up by the > stylus. How much of this explanation applies in case of cassette deck > is moot.Thanks! Ali > Ali. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: shanti ramachandran shantiram2000 at yahoo.com > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 9:09 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! > > In my very humble opinion and with the decks I have auditioned( which > include all top Naks and Teacs and Revoxes), I see really no real > need for NAAC in a properly calibrated and functioning 1000ZXL, unless > one is running terribly azimuth handicapped recordings. Thats why > WIlly and I chose to keep the ZXL heads in it and only transplant the > DD(dual) capstan motors in the ZXL. > > In fact, in many listening comparisons that I have done with > CR7/Dragon/ZXLs with various tapes, I have come away wondering why did > they even build the playback azimuth adjustable decks! Nakamichi, > perhaps, wanted to showcase their microprocessor technology? > > In terms of the playback azimuth adjustment, I personally prefer the > CR7's manual adjustment as opposed to the Dragon's NAAC, because I > trust my ears more than the electronics! > > Just my 2 pennies. > > Enjoy the music. > > Ram > > > > > --- On *Fri, 12/5/08, Edward Noyes / >/* wrote: > > From: Edward Noyes > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 8:16 AM > > To my thinking, the real advantage here would be having a 1000ZXL > with NAAC capability! Does the mod include the NAAC circuitry as > well? > > Best, ED > > On Nov 28, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Ron wrote: > >> >> Willy, >> >> These must have been fun projects... I wonder, though, what >> was the purely technical advantage. Did you measure the 'before >> and after' W/F figures? Were the differences, if any, substantial >> enough to justify the projects? Was it measurable (let alone, >> audible)? >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> WillyHerm wrote: >>> No, it has both DD motors in it. I'm in process of posting pix on >>> >>> www.willyhermannservices.com next to Ben Stratfords ZX-9/1000ZXL. >>> >>> >>> >>> Willy >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>> >>> Of Wouter Heijke >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:31 AM >>> >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Ram/Willy, >>> >>> You talk about 'a motor', so only one DD motor was transplanted or has it >>> >>> both DD motors implanted? >>> >>> Willy, did you document anything with pictures for us to see? >>> >>> >>> >>> Wouter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> After mulling through the idea of a direct drive 1000ZXL since May >>>> >>>> 2007, my dreams of having one have been finally fulfilled by Willy >>>> >>>> Herman( a member of this forum) with a Dragon DD motor transplanted >>>> >>>> into one of my stock 1000ZXLs. Willy says it" works wonderfully and sounds >>>> >>>> >>> magnificient!" >>> >>> >>>> Thanks Willy fro your second direct drive Super deck. >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 6 16:01:00 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 07:01:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <79c3cfa80812051903o68dcbe14ge9032f6974cbe12f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87003.17640.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Chris, In tape recorders, one head has to be fixed for a reference point. Both heads can not be azimuth controllable( called double floaters). If so there would be no reference point at all and every recording could be only good for that particular deck. That is the reason why one head is fixed and the other is azimuth adjustable in most high end cassette decks. As for the record head azimuth adjustment, this was implemented to make sure the shell imperfections, which makes the tape emerge at various angles from the feeding spool, is in correct azimuth with the record head prior to recording, for that reference point of the play head( fixed here ) so that the recording is crisp on every tape recorded irrespective of the shell intolerances. I am sure prior to using azimuth adjustable decks, many of us in the 60s and 70s and 80s have encountered cassettes that were well branded, but would record muddy, or plain bad! This is exactly what recording head azimuth rectifies. Regards, Ram --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Chris Rinewalt wrote: From: Chris Rinewalt Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:03 PM On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:09 AM, shanti ramachandran wrote: In my very humble opinion and with the decks I have auditioned( which include all top Naks and Teacs and Revoxes), I see really no real  need for NAAC in a properly calibrated and functioning 1000ZXL, unless one is running terribly azimuth handicapped recordings. Thats why WIlly and I chose to keep the ZXL heads in it and only transplant the DD(dual) capstan motors in the ZXL. In fact, in many listening comparisons that I have done with CR7/Dragon/ZXLs with various tapes, I have come away wondering why did they even build the playback azimuth adjustable decks!  Nakamichi, perhaps, wanted to showcase their microprocessor technology? In terms of the playback azimuth adjustment, I personally prefer the CR7's manual adjustment as opposed to the Dragon's NAAC, because I trust my ears more than the electronics! Just my 2 pennies. Enjoy the music. Ram     The main reason I purchased both a Dragon and a CR-7A was for their playback azimuth adjustment. While I have only about 60 or so pre-recorded tapes, I have ~ 150 live concert tapes (and frequently transfer tapes from loaned out masters). As these tapes came from multiple traders and were recorded on multiple decks, I needed a deck that would allow for the most accurate playback of the material, including accounting for poor or varying azimuth while recording. This feature has come in quite hand on multiple occasions; what used to be a muddy recording has had its high end restored by simply adjusting the azimuth. But yes, on a pre-recorded tape, I would assume that "industry standards" for duplication would not require the playback azimuth to be adjusted much, if at all.   What I don't understand is the inclusion of record head azimuth on decks. That seems like it could do much more harm than good. And without playback head adjustment, why bother?     ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 6 20:54:28 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:54:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] bx300 and the tri-tracer remote Message-ID: <5656.5633.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not at all. Ram Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Gary Koepp wrote: I recently purchased a bx300 that came with a remote. It plugs in and operates just fine, all functions. But during a web search, I come to find out it is the wired remote for a tri-tracer, not the bx300. My question is, will using the tri-tracer remote on the bx300 damage the unit in any way. thanks in advance gary 2-bx300 owner ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 6 20:54:30 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (Ram) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:54:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] bx300 and the tri-tracer remote Message-ID: <387586.45521.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not at all. Ram Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Gary Koepp wrote: I recently purchased a bx300 that came with a remote. It plugs in and operates just fine, all functions. But during a web search, I come to find out it is the wired remote for a tri-tracer, not the bx300. My question is, will using the tri-tracer remote on the bx300 damage the unit in any way. thanks in advance gary 2-bx300 owner ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The logic circuit will cause the pause switch to light instead of stop, one meter or the other will not register and sometimes the play speed will run very slow. These problems seem to be stemming from the connectors to the logic control assy. Shutting the unit down and playing with the CN3, CN5, and CN1 connectors usually solves the problems for a while but they come back. Does anybody have a solution for these poor connections? Thanks Ed Winder -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Mon Dec 8 05:12:16 2008 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:12:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] San Francisco Mini Meet Message-ID: <5BD67A80AFBE4D22BD074830DBA139CE@robertbwpur6ye> On Saturday Dec. 6th, we had a small reunion of some of the members of the NAK MARATHON TAPE MK II - SAN FRANCISCO SESSION recording meet held in March 2004. Attending were Ti Kan, Kannan, Fuad, and myself, Robert Kent. Although he was not part of the Marathon Tape Session in 2004, we were hoping to see Willy Herman there also, but he could not make it....maybe next time. We met at Ti Kan's house this time and after getting re-acquainted, we had the opportunity to do some experimenting with a couple of Leader Wow & Flutter meters using Ti's Dragon.....it was performing very well! We did a little group repair work on Ti's CR-7 (needs another idler tire!). We also got to take a look at and listen to some of Ti's latest public DIY projects (you can check them out at Ti's web site.....AMB dot Org). They included the Beta 22 fully discrete class A headphone amp, the Beta 24 fully discrete 170W power amp, and the Gamma One S/PDIF, USB; 24bit/192KHz DAC that fits in a very small portable case. I have built the Beta 22 myself....very nice sounding headamp. It was good to see everyone again, and it led me to pull out the Marathon MK II tapes again and take a listen.....a very fine collection of songs. 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The logic circuit will cause the > pause switch to light instead of stop, one meter or the other will not > register and sometimes the play speed will run very slow. These problems > seem to be stemming from the connectors to the logic control assy. Shutting > the unit down and playing with the CN3, CN5, and CN1 connectors usually > solves the problems for a while but they come back. Does anybody have a > solution for these poor connections? > > > > Thanks > > Ed Winder > -- Antoine Deschênes From DundisA at zhi.com Mon Dec 8 13:43:11 2008 From: DundisA at zhi.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 05:43:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Best Sounding Naks In-Reply-To: <23557563.1228419021191.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <23557563.1228419021191.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <91859EF180ACA649859E8119373DABEE011814D7@uedmbx.UE.com> I'm quite pleased w/the performance of my 660zx as well, but next to impossible to find an OM or SM for this model... any PDFs for it floatin' around out there?? Andy Many say the 682ZX is #2. You are correct that there are many versions of the "best" list. We even threatened to make the CR1 the "best" to suit our evil ways! I won't pretend to put Nak decks in order. the beauty of Nakamichi is that the decks make deliberate, distinct design choices. It then becomes the Nak owner's job to weigh his/her own values to choose "the best Nakamichi". tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: jayson levitz Sent: Dec 3, 2008 7:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Best Sounding Naks Hi Tom. This is probably going to start a firestorm of controversy. You say that the Dragon is the 3rd best sounding Nak. I thought that the best sounding Naks are (in order of manufacture) the 1000ZXL, ZX9, Dragon & CR-7. Can you put these in order of best sounding in your opinion, and add any more you think worthy of this distinction. Thanks. Jayson Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erwinder at comcast.net Mon Dec 8 14:06:02 2008 From: erwinder at comcast.net (Edward Winder) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:06:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] My 700 acting up In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910812080419p4afecc0cvb7691a2db3ff6a7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <17d5ee910812080419p4afecc0cvb7691a2db3ff6a7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3FF48B7B7C204E0B9B0ADC13E0A1700C@office> So far I have tried cleaning the contacts with DeoxIT and cleaning the male side with an eraser. It feels like there should be more tension from the female side of the connecter. Ed > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Antoine > Deschênes > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:20 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] My 700 acting up > > You can even play with the connectors and wire harness while the unit > is on and you'll see it starts, stops, things will work, others won't. > I have two Naks like that, the only thing I managed to do was to place > the wires so they work and don't move too much. I haven't tried if > something as simple as a DeoxIT treatment would fix problems. > > 2008/12/7 Edward Winder : > > I have owned my 700 since 1977 and it have given me great pleasure. I > > recently purchased new belts and idler wheels and installed them. I needed > > to clean all the switches and controls as they were very noisy. The good > > news is that it plays great most of the time but it seems that I have > > different problems at different times. The logic circuit will cause the > > pause switch to light instead of stop, one meter or the other will not > > register and sometimes the play speed will run very slow. These problems > > seem to be stemming from the connectors to the logic control assy. Shutting > > the unit down and playing with the CN3, CN5, and CN1 connectors usually > > solves the problems for a while but they come back. Does anybody have a > > solution for these poor connections? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Ed Winder > > > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Dec 8 14:18:53 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:18:53 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Best Sounding Naks Message-ID: <16659.82.210.249.81.1228742333.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> The SM has recently been added to the naks.com wiki page. The OM is not there but the 670ZX OM will do just fine. Wouter > I'm quite pleased w/the performance of my 660zx as well, but next to > impossible to find an OM or SM for this > > model... any PDFs for it floatin' around out there?? > > Andy > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Dec 8 14:24:44 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?windows-1252?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:24:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best Sounding Naks In-Reply-To: <91859EF180ACA649859E8119373DABEE011814D7@uedmbx.UE.com> References: <23557563.1228419021191.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <91859EF180ACA649859E8119373DABEE011814D7@uedmbx.UE.com> Message-ID: <493D201C.2080408@yahoo.ca> Hello Andy, http://naks.com/wiki/ In Official Documents, the 660ZX manual can be found. Dundis, Andy a écrit : > > //I’m quite pleased w/the performance of my 660zx as well, but next to > impossible to find an OM or SM for this// > > model… any PDFs for it floatin’ around out there?? > > Andy > > Many say the 682ZX is #2. You are correct that there are many versions > of the "best" list. We even threatened to make the CR1 the "best" to > suit our evil ways! I won't pretend to put Nak decks in order. the > beauty of Nakamichi is that the decks make deliberate, distinct design > choices. It then becomes the Nak owner's job to weigh his/her own > values to choose "the best Nakamichi". > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > From: jayson levitz > Sent: Dec 3, 2008 7:06 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Best Sounding Naks > > Hi Tom. > > This is probably going to start a firestorm of controversy. > > You say that the Dragon is the 3rd best sounding Nak. I thought > that the best sounding Naks are (in order of manufacture) the > 1000ZXL, ZX9, Dragon & CR-7. Can you put these in order of best > sounding in your opinion, and add any more you think worthy of > this distinction. > > Thanks. > > Jayson > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From boeing747600 at aol.com Mon Dec 8 14:47:34 2008 From: boeing747600 at aol.com (boeing747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:47:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] owner manual for 700ZXE cassette deck, not recording in one channel, Auto cal not working In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910812080419p4afecc0cvb7691a2db3ff6a7d@mail.gmail.com> References: <17d5ee910812080419p4afecc0cvb7691a2db3ff6a7d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CB2752A8263CCE-C94-5BD@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> Hi Everyone,   I need the owner manual for the 700ZXE after replacing most all the orange caps and many electrolytic caps on the osc and playback board  the deck still does not record in one of the chanel i.e. the right channel I am suspecting the long IC with number 4081C written on it. Since its not recording iin one channel so the Auto Calibration is not working either! The good news in that even with auto cal not working the playback on this tape deck is THE BEST!! I have ever heard  from any cassette deck  both channels work in playback , the sound is after hearing my other hi end cassette decks including my Revox B 710 and B 215, this rating stands  still I get my other deck fixed which is the legendary 1000ZXL I am replacing every single orange cap and electrolytic caps in the 1000ZXL, Thanks! Ali -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 7:19 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] My 700 acting up You can even play with the connectors and wire harness while the unit s on and you'll see it starts, stops, things will work, others won't. have two Naks like that, the only thing I managed to do was to place he wires so they work and don't move too much. I haven't tried if omething as simple as a DeoxIT treatment would fix problems. 2008/12/7 Edward Winder : I have owned my 700 since 1977 and it have given me great pleasure . I recently purchased new belts and idler wheels and installed them. I needed to clean all the switches and controls as they were very noisy. The good news is that it plays great most of the time but it seems that I have different problems at different times. The logic circuit will cause the pause switch to light instead of stop, one meter or the other will not register and sometimes the play speed will run very slow. These problems seem to be stemming from the connectors to the logic control assy. Shutting the unit down and playing with the CN3, CN5, and CN1 connectors usually solves the problems for a while but they come back. Does anybody have a solution for these poor connections? Thanks Ed Winder -- ntoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk =======---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Dec 8 15:43:29 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:43:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <1343456.1228703135243.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1343456.1228703135243.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <493D3291.5080309@verizon.net> Tom Brucker wrote: > > Ron, Your ideas get a big "maybe". Here's why. Diffused resonance > design measures the rotational frequencies of all moving components in > a deck, and then staggers the frequencies to prevent additive > reinforcement of one flutter frequency. By removing the 1000ZXL motor, > belt, and flywheels, and grafting the Dragon DD motors, the first > listening test is to determine if some flutter peaks exist. These > peaks are below the specified wow/flutter specification, yet sensitive > listening can reveal the presence of reinforced flutter peaks, > defeating the diffused resonance principle. It was an enormous risk > Ram undertook, and we are all pleased to learn that the DD ZXL has > passed the flutter hurdle. > Tom, characteristics of the transport travel with it to whatever deck it is installed in. All transport related artifacts heard in the 'Dragonized 1000ZXL' are the same as they were in the donor Dragon. This includes W/F properties. In that regard, Ram took no great risk, as he knew what to expect from a Dragon transport. > > The second varible is the influence of transport mass and bearing > tolerances. I don't recall much discussion on the cassette level, but > it sure carries a lot of weight ;)) in turntable, speaker, and other > discussions. I do recall Revox or someone advocating clamping the > cassette to improve sound, so there must be some effect. > The transport in cassette decks has no effect on tonal characteristics. Once in place, a cassette is, in effect, clamped to the transport. It would take major vibrations (that simply do not occur in cassette decks) to cause *any * relative motion of cassette to head. In turntables, such motion (stylus relative to record) can -- and does -- occur all the time, due to minor platter and arm resonances, external vibrations and the like. Comparing turntables to cassette decks in this respect is grossly misleading. -- Ron > I assure you whatever audible differences Ram might encounter they are > going to be subtle. They may even be masked. I am a great believer in > the power of long term listening. > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > Sent: Dec 6, 2008 8:45 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! > > > The best evaluation would have been between the 1000ZXL and > the same deck after replacement of the transport -- obviously, > impossible to do. > > Instead, let's remember that the only difference was the transport. > It's unlikely that changing the transport caused tonal differences > (no, this is not analogous to changing the drive system in a > turntable). > The only relevant difference could be in the W/F figure and > (assuming both transports were in good condition) even that, not > by much. Do remember that both transports have better than > average W/F specs to start with. > > So, not discounting Ram's impressions, I do not see his listening > tests as conclusive. It is quite possible (even probable) that his > LTD > edition deck sounded better than his standard 1000ZXL, also > before the modification. OTOH, I agree that his conclusions make > sense: the modification does nothing but improve W/F (from very > good to very good +) and probably is not worth the effort/cost. > > BTW, on the off topic of drive systems in turntables: DD is > definitely > a better solution than belt drive, both for lower noise/rumble as > well > as better speed accuracy and constancy, with *everything else > being equal*. Unfortunately, everything is never quite equal. To > meet audiophools' pre-conceived notions, manufacturers build belt > drive TTs better than DD. Specifically, better bearings and > (especially) > better damping. > > Take for example my Dual CS-5000. It suffers from all the ills of > belt > drive (very long start up time, high W/F, mediocre rumble), but > sounds > quite good, nonetheless. It's damped platter; high mass rubber mat and > excellent arm have a lot to do with it. Apply those to a DD turntable > and it will trounce most belt drives. But, for some reason, I have > never > seen a DD TT employing all these features. > > -- Ron > > > > > boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: >> Hi Ram, It just occured to me a more fair comparision would have >> between a regular 1000zxl with stock transport and the DD >> 1000zxl not the limited,, that would give us more insight as to >> any gains acheived as a result of this experiment between stock >> 1000zxl and the dd zxl.. Also both these decks under test should >> be in the same tune up state other than having different >> transports. In theory direct drive points toward more stable and >> rock steady speed but like the differences in sound from belt >> drive and the direct drive turntables, a well designed belt drive >> turntable always seems to beat the direct drive turntable except >> for the $100,000 direct drive turntables from of rockport of >> USA and colibrium from Australia as were reviewed in >> the stereophile magazine. The reason given almost always is that >> belt provides better isolation from motor induced vibration to >> the cartridge than direct drive turntable where the dri! ve >> motor in a part of the platter resulting in vibration being >> picked up by the stylus. How much of this explanation applies in >> case of cassette deck is moot.Thanks! Ali >> Ali. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: shanti ramachandran shantiram2000 at yahoo.com >> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 9:09 am >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! >> >> In my very humble opinion and with the decks I have auditioned( >> which include all top Naks and Teacs and Revoxes), I see really >> no real need for NAAC in a properly calibrated and functioning >> 1000ZXL, unless one is running terribly azimuth handicapped >> recordings. Thats why WIlly and I chose to keep the ZXL heads in >> it and only transplant the DD(dual) capstan motors in the ZXL. >> >> In fact, in many listening comparisons that I have done with >> CR7/Dragon/ZXLs with various tapes, I have come away wondering >> why did they even build the playback azimuth adjustable decks! >> Nakamichi, perhaps, wanted to showcase their microprocessor >> technology? >> >> In terms of the playback azimuth adjustment, I personally prefer >> the CR7's manual adjustment as opposed to the Dragon's NAAC, >> because I trust my ears more than the electronics! >> >> Just my 2 pennies. >> >> Enjoy the music. >> >> Ram >> >> >> >> >> --- On *Fri, 12/5/08, Edward Noyes /> >/* wrote: >> >> From: Edward Noyes > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >> Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 8:16 AM >> >> To my thinking, the real advantage here would be having a >> 1000ZXL with NAAC capability! Does the mod include the NAAC >> circuitry as well? >> >> Best, ED >> >> On Nov 28, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Ron wrote: >> >>> >>> Willy, >>> >>> These must have been fun projects... I wonder, though, what >>> was the purely technical advantage. Did you measure the 'before >>> and after' W/F figures? Were the differences, if any, >>> substantial >>> enough to justify the projects? Was it measurable (let alone, >>> audible)? >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> WillyHerm wrote: >>>> No, it has both DD motors in it. I'm in process of posting pix on >>>> >>>> www.willyhermannservices.com next to Ben Stratfords ZX-9/1000ZXL. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Willy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >>>> >>>> Of Wouter Heijke >>>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:31 AM >>>> >>>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Ram/Willy, >>>> >>>> You talk about 'a motor', so only one DD motor was transplanted or has it >>>> >>>> both DD motors implanted? >>>> >>>> Willy, did you document anything with pictures for us to see? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Wouter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> After mulling through the idea of a direct drive 1000ZXL since May >>>>> >>>>> 2007, my dreams of having one have been finally fulfilled by Willy >>>>> >>>>> Herman( a member of this forum) with a Dragon DD motor transplanted >>>>> >>>>> into one of my stock 1000ZXLs. Willy says it" works wonderfully and sounds >>>>> >>>>> >>>> magnificient!" >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks Willy fro your second direct drive Super deck. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com >>> mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Dec 8 16:24:45 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:24:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My 700 acting up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493D3C3D.2070801@verizon.net> Check PCB traces and solder joints around these connectors. -- Ron Edward Winder wrote: > > I have owned my 700 since 1977 and it have given me great pleasure. I > recently purchased new belts and idler wheels and installed them. I > needed to clean all the switches and controls as they were very noisy. > The good news is that it plays great most of the time but it seems > that I have different problems at different times. The logic circuit > will cause the pause switch to light instead of stop, one meter or the > other will not register and sometimes the play speed will run very > slow. These problems seem to be stemming from the connectors to the > logic control assy. Shutting the unit down and playing with the CN3, > CN5, and CN1 connectors usually solves the problems for a while but > they come back. Does anybody have a solution for these poor connections? > > > > Thanks > > Ed Winder > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erwinder at comcast.net Mon Dec 8 16:58:42 2008 From: erwinder at comcast.net (Edward Winder) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:58:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] My 700 acting up In-Reply-To: <493D3C3D.2070801@verizon.net> References: <493D3C3D.2070801@verizon.net> Message-ID: <14148DA45F2D492588CA0A8997E86CAE@office> Thanks Ron, I will take a look at them and maybe reheat each connections. Ed > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:25 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] My 700 acting up > > > Check PCB traces and solder joints around these connectors. > > -- Ron > > > > Edward Winder wrote: > > I have owned my 700 since 1977 and it have given me great pleasure. I recently > purchased new belts and idler wheels and installed them. I needed to clean all the switches > and controls as they were very noisy. The good news is that it plays great most of the time > but it seems that I have different problems at different times. The logic circuit will cause > the pause switch to light instead of stop, one meter or the other will not register and > sometimes the play speed will run very slow. These problems seem to be stemming from the > connectors to the logic control assy. Shutting the unit down and playing with the CN3, CN5, > and CN1 connectors usually solves the problems for a while but they come back. Does > anybody have a solution for these poor connections? > > > > Thanks > > Ed Winder > > > > > ________________________________ > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 8 19:05:11 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:05:11 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] My 700 acting up Message-ID: <25971501.1228759511615.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Dec 8 19:39:22 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:39:22 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] My 700 acting up Message-ID: <2834405.1228761562139.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In my experience the eraser should not be used on gold contacts. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Edward Winder >Sent: Dec 8, 2008 7:06 AM >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My 700 acting up > >So far I have tried cleaning the contacts with DeoxIT and cleaning the male >side with an eraser. It feels like there should be more tension from the >female side of the connecter. > >Ed >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Antoine >> Deschênes >> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:20 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] My 700 acting up >> >> You can even play with the connectors and wire harness while the unit >> is on and you'll see it starts, stops, things will work, others won't. >> I have two Naks like that, the only thing I managed to do was to place >> the wires so they work and don't move too much. I haven't tried if >> something as simple as a DeoxIT treatment would fix problems. >> >> 2008/12/7 Edward Winder : >> > I have owned my 700 since 1977 and it have given me great pleasure. I >> > recently purchased new belts and idler wheels and installed them. I >needed >> > to clean all the switches and controls as they were very noisy. The >good >> > news is that it plays great most of the time but it seems that I have >> > different problems at different times. The logic circuit will cause the >> > pause switch to light instead of stop, one meter or the other will not >> > register and sometimes the play speed will run very slow. These >problems >> > seem to be stemming from the connectors to the logic control assy. >Shutting >> > the unit down and playing with the CN3, CN5, and CN1 connectors usually >> > solves the problems for a while but they come back. Does anybody have a >> > solution for these poor connections? >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Ed Winder >> > >> >> -- >> Antoine Deschênes >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From erwinder at comcast.net Mon Dec 8 23:18:40 2008 From: erwinder at comcast.net (Edward Winder) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:18:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] My 700 acting up In-Reply-To: <25971501.1228759511615.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <25971501.1228759511615.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <536D9A26DAA242048BC74673FB16CC58@office> Thanks Tom, I will give this a try because the contacts slide out very easily. What would you recommend for cleaning the contacts? Ed > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom > Brucker > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:05 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] My 700 acting up > > Ed, > > Try a process called "retensioning". Inside the female gold edge connectors you will find > gold fingers. To retension, fins a tool small enough to fit in the connector's slot and get > behind each connector finger. Move the tool to the center enough to cause the finger to sit > closer to the center of the connector. You are in essence bending the finger, however the > trick is to not actually bend the finger. You want to simply nudge it a bit. > > tom brucker > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Edward Winder > Sent: Dec 7, 2008 8:32 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] My 700 acting up > > > > I have owned my 700 since 1977 and it have given me great pleasure. I recently > purchased new belts and idler wheels and installed them. I needed to clean all the switches > and controls as they were very noisy. The good news is that it plays great most of the time > but it seems that I have different problems at different times. The logic circuit will cause > the pause switch to light instead of stop, one meter or the other will not register and > sometimes the play speed will run very slow. These problems seem to be stemming from the > connectors to the logic control assy. Shutting the unit down and playing with the CN3, CN5, > and CN1 connectors usually solves the problems for a while but they come back. Does > anybody have a solution for these poor connections? > > > > Thanks > > Ed Winder > > > > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 From james.brodsky at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 23:48:36 2008 From: james.brodsky at gmail.com (James Brodsky) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:48:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <211ca5a30812081448r4a5c6588tc091e658f287ef53@mail.gmail.com> Resurrecting this thread with a related question. I recently purchased a set of Luis' calibration tapes. The 400Hz tape is recorded at 200 n/Wb flux. If I try to set the appropriate playback level on my MR-1 adjusting VR101 and VR102, the highest output I can possibly get at the output terminals is 750mV - nowhere near the 1.23V mentioned elsewhere in this thread. Although I was going to check the alignment/height of the play head once the levels are set accurately, I have reason to believe it is reasonably aligned now (pre-recorded tapes sound great, channel levels on the 1Khz and 15Khz tapes are near-identical). What else could cause the low output? And is it really supposed to be 1.23V at the unbalanced outputs? Thanks. -jb On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Gene Ess wrote: > Hi, > > I have a Dragon and MR-1. I noticed recordings made on Dragon peaks higher > on the MR-1 meters and recordings made on the MR-1 shows lower on the > Dragon. I checked with pre-recorded tapes and it peaks quite high on the > MR-1 but in normal range on the Dragon. > > Making a test tape at 0db , 440hz on the Dragon, it shows +2 on the > MR-1. And vice versa (0db tape on MR-1 shows -2db on Dragon). Is this > normal? A respected tech told me this is as it should be because the specs > between the 2 decks are different. > > I figure this has something to do with the fact that MR-1 is a balanced > level machine but not sure. Any one know for sure? > > Gene > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From luis at peromarta.org Tue Dec 9 08:18:00 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:18:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon In-Reply-To: <211ca5a30812081448r4a5c6588tc091e658f287ef53@mail.gmail.com> References: <211ca5a30812081448r4a5c6588tc091e658f287ef53@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <31EF697F-A738-46DA-85E5-AA87C2020EBE@peromarta.org> Hi James, I don't have a MR-1 or it's service manual, but 1,23V seems a little high to me. Are you sure 1,23V is not the rms output of the balanced socket? On a MR2 manual it says nothing about 1.23, as you can read here: http://peromarta.org/naks/manuals/mr2_sm.pdf However, It may be a completely different machine :( Best rgds, LP. El 08/12/2008, a las 23:48, James Brodsky escribió: > Resurrecting this thread with a related question. > > I recently purchased a set of Luis' calibration tapes. The 400Hz tape > is recorded at 200 n/Wb flux. > > If I try to set the appropriate playback level on my MR-1 adjusting > VR101 and VR102, the highest output I can possibly get at the output > terminals is 750mV - nowhere near the 1.23V mentioned elsewhere in > this thread. > > Although I was going to check the alignment/height of the play head > once the levels are set accurately, I have reason to believe it is > reasonably aligned now (pre-recorded tapes sound great, channel levels > on the 1Khz and 15Khz tapes are near-identical). What else could cause > the low output? And is it really supposed to be 1.23V at the > unbalanced outputs? > > Thanks. > > -jb > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Gene Ess > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have a Dragon and MR-1. I noticed recordings made on Dragon >> peaks higher >> on the MR-1 meters and recordings made on the MR-1 shows lower on the >> Dragon. I checked with pre-recorded tapes and it peaks quite high >> on the >> MR-1 but in normal range on the Dragon. >> >> Making a test tape at 0db , 440hz on the Dragon, it shows +2 on the >> MR-1. And vice versa (0db tape on MR-1 shows -2db on Dragon). Is >> this >> normal? A respected tech told me this is as it should be because >> the specs >> between the 2 decks are different. >> >> I figure this has something to do with the fact that MR-1 is a >> balanced >> level machine but not sure. Any one know for sure? >> >> Gene >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From james.brodsky at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 23:52:38 2008 From: james.brodsky at gmail.com (James Brodsky) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:52:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 output question, again Message-ID: <211ca5a30812081452n7a981bdbj214003e19100d28e@mail.gmail.com> Resurrecting the recend thread about differences in Dragon and MR-1 output with a related question. I recently purchased a set of Luis' calibration tapes. The 400Hz tape is recorded at 200 n/Wb flux. If I try to set the appropriate playback level on my MR-1 adjusting VR101 and VR102, the highest output I can possibly get at the output terminals is 750mV - nowhere near the 1.23V mentioned in the thread. Although I was going to check the alignment/height of the play head once the levels are set accurately, I have reason to believe it is reasonably aligned now (pre-recorded tapes sound great, channel levels on the 1Khz and 15Khz tapes are near-identical). What else could cause the low output? And is it really supposed to be 1.23V at the unbalanced outputs? Thanks. -jb From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Tue Dec 9 00:37:16 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:37:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] pitch control Message-ID: Hi, I am trying to record a CD on to my Nak Dragon. The tracks on the CDs are out of tune and not even in tune with each other. Is there a digital pitch control software that is analogous to a variable pitch control? I want to extract the pcm files off the CD into my PC and then bring the tracks into correct pitch before recording it onto a tape using my beloved Dragon. The problem is that all the software I know either adjusts pitch but not tempo and vice a versa. Since I was not at the recording session, I have no idea what the exact correct tempo of a music is. I can fix the "out of tuneness" by ear but the tempo remains incorrect. I need to simulate digitally the pitch control on tape decks so the speed and the pitch of music is co-related. Really, not sure why I even have to do this when I paid good money for these "professional" CDs.... Gene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 00:49:11 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:49:11 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] My 700 acting up Message-ID: <29644439.1228780151162.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Gold contacts shouldn't require cleaning. I've never worked on older Naks that responded to cleaning. Retensioning is always the cure. Caig "Pro Gold spray" would be the best cleaner, however I have no direct experience using it. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Edward Winder >Sent: Dec 8, 2008 4:18 PM >To: 'Tom Brucker' , 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: RE: [naktalk] My 700 acting up > >Thanks Tom, I will give this a try because the contacts slide out very >easily. What would you recommend for cleaning the contacts? > >Ed > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Tom >> Brucker >> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:05 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] My 700 acting up >> >> Ed, >> >> Try a process called "retensioning". Inside the female gold edge >connectors you will find >> gold fingers. To retension, fins a tool small enough to fit in the >connector's slot and get >> behind each connector finger. Move the tool to the center enough to cause >the finger to sit >> closer to the center of the connector. You are in essence bending the >finger, however the >> trick is to not actually bend the finger. You want to simply nudge it a >bit. >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Edward Winder >> Sent: Dec 7, 2008 8:32 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] My 700 acting up >> >> >> >> I have owned my 700 since 1977 and it have given me great pleasure. >I recently >> purchased new belts and idler wheels and installed them. I needed to >clean all the switches >> and controls as they were very noisy. The good news is that it plays >great most of the time >> but it seems that I have different problems at different times. The logic >circuit will cause >> the pause switch to light instead of stop, one meter or the other will not >register and >> sometimes the play speed will run very slow. These problems seem to be >stemming from the >> connectors to the logic control assy. Shutting the unit down and playing >with the CN3, CN5, >> and CN1 connectors usually solves the problems for a while but they come >back. Does >> anybody have a solution for these poor connections? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Ed Winder >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 > Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 01:13:48 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:13:48 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes Message-ID: <3803743.1228781628124.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> here is an eBay link for someone doing their best to create a suitable test cassette. 120345775687 While his effort is honest, I doubt the tape is made with the same care as our own LP, Luis Peromarta. LP provides much longer times and higher frequencies for azimuth, for the same price! I mention this to make a shameless plug for the tapes our Utah members have been working, or I should say, perfecting, over the last year. I've tested samples of the level tapes and found them perfect in every way. I've just heard they have a wow and flutter tape. I also know that they are close to producing the track alignment tape. These tapes have received no formal announcement because their makers want perfection, and they keep fiddling with the manufacturing processes! I am posting (independently) to encourage them to take the next step. The eBay link above laments that Nak test tapes are rare because "they come from collectors". If Tom and Vic will get on the ball and announce ordering information for their test tapes, the availability issue will become moot. I trust their methods and recommend that these test tape be made available to the NakTalk community. I promise to give DIY instructions for their use so everyone can begin to confirm their alignments, and have some of the tools to do a bit of tweaking. The eBay link above gives a clever method for speed adjustment without a meter....fink a 3kHz sine test tone on the internet, play it on the computer speakers, and set the cassette deck speed control like you would tune an instrument. I think it will work....would anyone like to find the test tone and try it? tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 01:20:03 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:20:03 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1 Message-ID: <8404909.1228782003261.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Charles, Andy, Willy, Kannan, and I all repair Naks in the US for less than the ESL price. You have a good chance of repairing this yourself. Purchase some Caig Deoxit 5% spray from an electronics supply store, and spray a bit into the slots in the reel motor's back cover. This cleans the brushes and will often extend the life of the reel motor. Unfortunately the gear drive motors like your cassette 1 are most likely to need a new motor. There are links to some photo essays on cleaning through naks.com. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Charles Peterson >Sent: Dec 1, 2008 4:34 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1 > >I just won a Cassette Deck 1 on ebay. But it immediately drops out >of play. Capstan isn't even turning. > >Where can I get a Nakamichi deck fixed these days? What are some of >the cheaper repair centers? > >I have some other Nakamichi decks, but I wanted a CD1 because of >playback azimuth adjustment. > >Charles > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 01:24:35 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:24:35 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] owner manual for 700ZXE cassette deck, not recording in one channel, Auto cal not working Message-ID: <13363953.1228782275598.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 9 06:48:20 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:48:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. In-Reply-To: <8CB23DAFBBFDA0A-173C-131F@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <510873.11668.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again. I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Get the AOL Holiday Shopping Toolbar for money saving offers and gift ideas. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Dec 9 09:51:35 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:51:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes In-Reply-To: <3803743.1228781628124.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <3803743.1228781628124.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8832336C-9134-447E-841D-EB18B769BA2E@peromarta.org> Hi Tom The method descibed works! That's why I have been lately including a test tone CD with my set of cal. tapes, so you can adjust speed. Take one output lead off the tape input of the amp, and plug there a lead from the CD player. Play the test cassette, play the test tone from cd, and adjust speed until you hear a pure, non-pulsating tone, and you are there! For those guitar players aout there, this is pretty much like tuning a guitar using harmonics Best rgds, LP. El 09/12/2008, a las 1:13, Tom Brucker escribió: > The eBay link above gives a clever method for speed adjustment > without a meter....fink a 3kHz sine test tone on the internet, play > it on the computer speakers, and set the cassette deck speed control > like you would tune an instrument. I think it will work....would > anyone like to find the test tone and try it? From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 9 11:06:46 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 02:06:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] owner manual for 700ZXE cassette deck, not recording in one channel, Auto cal not working In-Reply-To: <8CB2752A8263CCE-C94-5BD@webmail-de21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <888956.46466.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ali, 4081 is a logic IC which, depending on where it is used, usually performs control or automation tasks. What you need to check is the usual suspects like Bias and the record electronics. My feeling tells me that you might have an open resistor at the bias section. Do not under-estimate the Revox decks, especially the B710. Under very capable hands, it can do 20Hz - 20kHz within 0.5 db and deliver a killer sound. Rgds, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I need the owner manual for the 700ZXE after replacing most all the orange caps and many electrolytic caps on the osc and playback board the deck still does not record in one of the chanel i.e. the right channel I am suspecting the long IC with number 4081C written on it. Since its not recording iin one channel so the Auto Calibration is not working either! The good news in that even with auto cal not working the playback on this tape deck is THE BEST!! I have ever heard from any cassette deck both channels work in playback , the sound is after hearing my other hi end cassette decks including my Revox B 710 and B 215, this rating stands still I get my other deck fixed which is the legendary 1000ZXL I am replacing every single orange cap and electrolytic caps in the 1000ZXL, Thanks! Ali -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 7:19 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] My 700 acting up You can even play with the connectors and wire harness while the unit is on and you'll see it starts, stops, things will work, others won't. I have two Naks like that, the only thing I managed to do was to place the wires=2 0so they work and don't move too much. I haven't tried if something as simple as a DeoxIT treatment would fix problems. 2008/12/7 Edward Winder : > I have owned my 700 since 1977 and it have given me great pleasure. I > recently purchased new belts and idler wheels and installed them. I needed > to clean all the switches and controls as they were very noisy. The good > news is that it plays great most of the time but it seems that I have > different problems at different times. The logic circuit will cause the > pause switch to light instead of stop, one meter or the other will not > register and sometimes the play speed will run very slow. These problems > seem to be stemming from the connectors to the logic control assy. Shutting > the unit down and playing with the CN3, CN5, and CN1 connectors usually > solves the problems for a while but they come back. Does anybody have a > solution for these poor connections? > > > > Thanks > > Ed Winder > -- Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations – including songs for the holidays – FREE while you browse. Start Listening Now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Tue Dec 9 13:39:31 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 07:39:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes In-Reply-To: <8832336C-9134-447E-841D-EB18B769BA2E@peromarta.org> Message-ID: This only works if your musical ear is average. I've known many including musicians who can't hear pitch well. If you have absolute pitch, then you will have a difficult time as the pitch on the tape slightly changes and you have to "compromise" and you will never be in exact tune with a 3000hz pure sine wave. So YMMV. I have always used 2960hz as this is the note F#(7) and I don't need any frequency counter. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:52 AM To: Tom Brucker; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] test cassettes Hi Tom The method descibed works! That's why I have been lately including a test tone CD with my set of cal. tapes, so you can adjust speed. Take one output lead off the tape input of the amp, and plug there a lead from the CD player. Play the test cassette, play the test tone from cd, and adjust speed until you hear a pure, non-pulsating tone, and you are there! For those guitar players aout there, this is pretty much like tuning a guitar using harmonics Best rgds, LP. El 09/12/2008, a las 1:13, Tom Brucker escribió: > The eBay link above gives a clever method for speed adjustment > without a meter....fink a 3kHz sine test tone on the internet, play > it on the computer speakers, and set the cassette deck speed control > like you would tune an instrument. I think it will work....would > anyone like to find the test tone and try it? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Dec 9 13:51:01 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:51:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] pitch control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493E69B5.5010505@yahoo.ca> How strange, every sound editing software I know allow you to change the pitch by working on the sample rate, which works just like an analog pitch control. Have you tried Audacity? It's free. It's not necessarily a good idea to change pitch in the digital domain as lowering the pitch changes the sample rate of the file, so it needs to resample back to 44.1kHz, pass the audio through an antialiasing filter, and then you get the output. Gene Ess a écrit : > Hi, > > I am trying to record a CD on to my Nak Dragon. The tracks on the CDs > are out of tune and not even in tune with each other. > > Is there a digital pitch control software that is analogous to a > variable pitch control? I want to extract the pcm files off the CD > into my PC and then bring the tracks into correct pitch before > recording it onto a tape using my beloved Dragon. > > The problem is that all the software I know either adjusts pitch but > not tempo and vice a versa. Since I was not at the recording session, > I have no idea what the exact correct tempo of a music is. I can fix > the "out of tuneness" by ear but the tempo remains incorrect. I need > to simulate digitally the pitch control on tape decks so the speed and > the pitch of music is co-related. > > Really, not sure why I even have to do this when I paid good money for > these "professional" CDs.... > > Gene > > From DundisA at zhi.com Tue Dec 9 14:06:43 2008 From: DundisA at zhi.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:06:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Best Sounding Naks In-Reply-To: <16659.82.210.249.81.1228742333.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <16659.82.210.249.81.1228742333.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <91859EF180ACA649859E8119373DABEE011B9EBF@uedmbx.UE.com> thanx guys! Andy -----Original Message----- From: Wouter Heijke [mailto:wheijke at xs4all.nl] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:19 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Best Sounding Naks The SM has recently been added to the naks.com wiki page. The OM is not there but the 670ZX OM will do just fine. Wouter -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes [mailto:antdes45 at yahoo.ca] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:25 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Best Sounding Naks Hello Andy, http://naks.com/wiki/ In Official Documents, the 660ZX manual can be found. > I'm quite pleased w/the performance of my 660zx as well, but next to > impossible to find an OM or SM for this > > model... any PDFs for it floatin' around out there?? > > Andy > From lenaw at flash.net Tue Dec 9 15:20:08 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:20:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] owner manual for 700ZXE cassette deck, not recording in one channel, Auto cal not working In-Reply-To: <888956.46466.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <314093.58786.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Balal:             Can you elaborate what is means by "under capable hands on the Revox B710"? Thanks.     Regards, Mike --- On Tue, 12/9/08, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] owner manual for 700ZXE cassette deck, not recording in one channel, Auto cal not working To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 4:06 AM Hi Ali,   4081 is a logic IC which, depending on where it is used, usually performs control or automation tasks. What you need to check is the usual suspects like Bias and the record electronics. My feeling tells me that you might have an open resistor at the bias section.   Do not under-estimate the Revox decks, especially the B710. Under very capable hands, it can do 20Hz - 20kHz within 0.5 db and deliver a killer sound.   Rgds, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Everyone,   I need the owner manual for the 700ZXE after replacing most all the orange caps and many electrolytic caps on the osc and playback board  the deck still does not record in one of the chanel i.e. the right channel I am suspecting the long IC with number 4081C written on it. Since its not recording iin one channel so the Auto Calibration is not working either! The good news in that even with auto cal not working the playback on this tape deck is THE BEST!! I have ever heard  from any cassette deck  both channels work in playback , the sound is after hearing my other hi end cassette decks including my Revox B 710 and B 215, this rating stands  still I get my other deck fixed which is the legendary 1000ZXL I am replacing every single orange cap and electrolytic caps in the 1000ZXL, Thanks! Ali -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 7:19 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] My 700 acting up You can even play with the connectors and wire harness while the unit is on and you'll see it starts, stops, things will work, others won't. I have two Naks like that, the only thing I managed to do was to place the wires=2 0so they work and don't move too much. I haven't tried if something as simple as a DeoxIT treatment would fix problems. 2008/12/7 Edward Winder : > I have owned my 700 since 1977 and it have given me great pleasure. I > recently purchased new belts and idler wheels and installed them. I needed > to clean all the switches and controls as they were very noisy. The good > news is that it plays great most of the time but it seems that I have > different problems at different times. The logic circuit will cause the > pause switch to light instead of stop, one meter or the other will not > register and sometimes the play speed will run very slow. These problems > seem to be stemming from the connectors to the logic control assy. Shutting > the unit down and playing with the CN3, CN5, and CN1 connectors usually > solves the problems for a while but they come back. Does anybody have a > solution for these poor connections? > > > > Thanks > > Ed Winder > -- Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations – including songs for the holidays – FREE while you browse. 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URL: From jeff at eslabs.com Tue Dec 9 17:11:07 2008 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:11:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1 References: <8404909.1228782003261.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <098B6226F121419A80D916D1604EEE68@Galin> Tom, I agree!!.. you get what you pay for! Charles, don't spray the reel motor, is likely fine. The capstan motor and belt likely need to be replaced. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Brucker" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" ; Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1 Charles, Andy, Willy, Kannan, and I all repair Naks in the US for less than the ESL price. You have a good chance of repairing this yourself. Purchase some Caig Deoxit 5% spray from an electronics supply store, and spray a bit into the slots in the reel motor's back cover. This cleans the brushes and will often extend the life of the reel motor. Unfortunately the gear drive motors like your cassette 1 are most likely to need a new motor. There are links to some photo essays on cleaning through naks.com. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Charles Peterson >Sent: Dec 1, 2008 4:34 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1 > >I just won a Cassette Deck 1 on ebay. But it immediately drops out >of play. Capstan isn't even turning. > >Where can I get a Nakamichi deck fixed these days? What are some of >the cheaper repair centers? > >I have some other Nakamichi decks, but I wanted a CD1 because of >playback azimuth adjustment. > >Charles > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From james.brodsky at gmail.com Tue Dec 9 17:19:59 2008 From: james.brodsky at gmail.com (James Brodsky) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:19:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon In-Reply-To: <31EF697F-A738-46DA-85E5-AA87C2020EBE@peromarta.org> References: <211ca5a30812081448r4a5c6588tc091e658f287ef53@mail.gmail.com> <31EF697F-A738-46DA-85E5-AA87C2020EBE@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <211ca5a30812090819x64a68d45k65712b9d18b80593@mail.gmail.com> It turns out that 1.23V is the rms output of the balanced socket. >From the MR-1 owners manual: The balanced is listed as 1.228V at +4 dBm The unbalanced is listed as 0.316V at -10 dBm I think I'm good. Thanks! -jb On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:18 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Hi James, > > I don't have a MR-1 or it's service manual, but 1,23V seems a little high to > me. Are you sure 1,23V is not the rms output of the balanced socket? > On a MR2 manual it says nothing about 1.23, as you can read here: > > http://peromarta.org/naks/manuals/mr2_sm.pdf > > However, It may be a completely different machine :( > > Best rgds, LP. > > El 08/12/2008, a las 23:48, James Brodsky escribió: > >> Resurrecting this thread with a related question. >> >> I recently purchased a set of Luis' calibration tapes. The 400Hz tape >> is recorded at 200 n/Wb flux. >> >> If I try to set the appropriate playback level on my MR-1 adjusting >> VR101 and VR102, the highest output I can possibly get at the output >> terminals is 750mV - nowhere near the 1.23V mentioned elsewhere in >> this thread. >> >> Although I was going to check the alignment/height of the play head >> once the levels are set accurately, I have reason to believe it is >> reasonably aligned now (pre-recorded tapes sound great, channel levels >> on the 1Khz and 15Khz tapes are near-identical). What else could cause >> the low output? And is it really supposed to be 1.23V at the >> unbalanced outputs? >> >> Thanks. >> >> -jb >> >> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Gene Ess wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have a Dragon and MR-1. I noticed recordings made on Dragon peaks >>> higher >>> on the MR-1 meters and recordings made on the MR-1 shows lower on the >>> Dragon. I checked with pre-recorded tapes and it peaks quite high on the >>> MR-1 but in normal range on the Dragon. >>> >>> Making a test tape at 0db , 440hz on the Dragon, it shows +2 on the >>> MR-1. And vice versa (0db tape on MR-1 shows -2db on Dragon). Is this >>> normal? A respected tech told me this is as it should be because the >>> specs >>> between the 2 decks are different. >>> >>> I figure this has something to do with the fact that MR-1 is a balanced >>> level machine but not sure. Any one know for sure? >>> >>> Gene >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Tue Dec 9 18:08:55 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:08:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 output question, again In-Reply-To: <211ca5a30812081452n7a981bdbj214003e19100d28e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not for unbalanced. The nominal output level for MR-1 at the balanced output is 1.228v. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of James Brodsky Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 5:53 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 output question, again Resurrecting the recend thread about differences in Dragon and MR-1 output with a related question. I recently purchased a set of Luis' calibration tapes. The 400Hz tape is recorded at 200 n/Wb flux. If I try to set the appropriate playback level on my MR-1 adjusting VR101 and VR102, the highest output I can possibly get at the output terminals is 750mV - nowhere near the 1.23V mentioned in the thread. Although I was going to check the alignment/height of the play head once the levels are set accurately, I have reason to believe it is reasonably aligned now (pre-recorded tapes sound great, channel levels on the 1Khz and 15Khz tapes are near-identical). What else could cause the low output? And is it really supposed to be 1.23V at the unbalanced outputs? Thanks. -jb ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 20:13:10 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:13:10 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1 Message-ID: <18332749.1228849990533.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Jeff, Are your parts supplies for the newer/newest Nakamichis in better shape than the older decks? If so, that would make a Cassette Deck 1 more valuable than a 482. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: jeff at eslabs.com >Sent: Dec 9, 2008 10:11 AM >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1 > >Tom, I agree!!.. you get what you pay for! > >Charles, don't spray the reel motor, is likely fine. The capstan motor and belt likely need to be replaced. > >Sincerely, >Jeff Galin > >"Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! >ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS >1807 Berlin Turnpike >Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA >By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST >VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > www.nakamichi.us > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tom Brucker" >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" ; >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:20 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1 > > >Charles, > Andy, Willy, Kannan, and I all repair Naks in the US for less than the ESL price. You have a good chance of repairing this yourself. Purchase some Caig Deoxit 5% spray from an electronics supply store, and spray a bit into the slots in the reel motor's back cover. This cleans the brushes and will often extend the life of the reel motor. Unfortunately the gear drive motors like your cassette 1 are most likely to need a new motor. There are links to some photo essays on cleaning through naks.com. >tom brucker > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Charles Peterson >>Sent: Dec 1, 2008 4:34 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Casette Deck 1 >> >>I just won a Cassette Deck 1 on ebay. But it immediately drops out >>of play. Capstan isn't even turning. >> >>Where can I get a Nakamichi deck fixed these days? What are some of >>the cheaper repair centers? >> >>I have some other Nakamichi decks, but I wanted a CD1 because of >>playback azimuth adjustment. >> >>Charles >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Dec 9 23:06:45 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:06:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello All, I've posted both a 3,000 cps and 2m960 cps sine wave tones to my web site for your convenience. http://www.kvglabs.com/mp3/3000hz.mp3 -- 30-second long tone, MP3 format: 3,000 cps http://www.kvglabs.com/mp3/2960hz.mp3 -- 30 second long tone, MP3 format: 2,960 cps I have CD-resolution AIFF versions of the same tones for anyone who wants to make a tone CD. I'd be glad to email the files to anyone who asks. Contact me off-list. (File size is about 2.5 megabytes). On Dec 9, 2008, at 6:39 AM, Gene Ess wrote: > This only works if your musical ear is average. I've known many > including > musicians who can't hear pitch well. If you have absolute pitch, > then you > will have a difficult time as the pitch on the tape slightly changes > and you > have to "compromise" and you will never be in exact tune with a > 3000hz pure > sine wave. So YMMV. > > I have always used 2960hz as this is the note F#(7) and I don't need > any > frequency counter. > > Gene -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From ra.ah at verizon.net Tue Dec 9 22:54:59 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:54:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493EE933.7070402@verizon.net> Gene, the method described does not depend on a person's ability to perceive pitch, but on their ability to hear a beat tone. Anyone can do that, unless stone deaf.. The accuracy attainable that way is about +/- 1 Hz. (about 0.03%). That's far better than the deck speed adjustment stability. That said, I personally prefer a counter. -- Ron Gene Ess wrote: > This only works if your musical ear is average. I've known many including > musicians who can't hear pitch well. If you have absolute pitch, then you > will have a difficult time as the pitch on the tape slightly changes and you > have to "compromise" and you will never be in exact tune with a 3000hz pure > sine wave. So YMMV. > > I have always used 2960hz as this is the note F#(7) and I don't need any > frequency counter. > > Gene > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Luis Peromarta > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:52 AM > To: Tom Brucker; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] test cassettes > > > Hi Tom > > The method descibed works! That's why I have been lately including a > test tone CD with my set of cal. tapes, so you can adjust speed. > > Take one output lead off the tape input of the amp, and plug there a > lead from the CD player. Play the test cassette, play the test tone > from cd, and adjust speed until you hear a pure, non-pulsating tone, > and you are there! > > For those guitar players aout there, this is pretty much like tuning a > guitar using harmonics > > Best rgds, LP. > > El 09/12/2008, a las 1:13, Tom Brucker escribió: > > >> The eBay link above gives a clever method for speed adjustment >> without a meter....fink a 3kHz sine test tone on the internet, play >> it on the computer speakers, and set the cassette deck speed control >> like you would tune an instrument. I think it will work....would >> anyone like to find the test tone and try it? >> From ra.ah at verizon.net Tue Dec 9 23:15:02 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:15:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. In-Reply-To: <510873.11668.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <510873.11668.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <493EEDE6.70900@verizon.net> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Ali, > > The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is > a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around > the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless > component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP27*5*? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You *will* have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron > . > > I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing > anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the > reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important > thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor > remains low and transient response is preserved. > > Regards, > Bala > > */boeing747600 at aol.com/* wrote: > > Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more > with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in > the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 > operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality > 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in > his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace > the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it > should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones > mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali > > > .....Read on. > > > Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. > IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical > to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the > gold plating of various parts -- including the front > panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such > as heads. > > I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance > (including long term). As to part selection, it depends > on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi > tended to use good quality components, this is also > a rather moot point. > > Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may > sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability > this is a function of the specific decks. Some other > 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or > the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs > may sound different, depending on condition, age, > amount of previous use, etc., etc.. > > -- Ron > > > > > Willy Hermann Services wrote: >> Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. >> I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, >> but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- >>> From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is >>> In. the Cmparison is DOne. And >> the Winner is..........Read on. >>> --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the >>> two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to >>> the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was >>> playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD >>> played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the >>> Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. 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URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Dec 10 00:14:57 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:14:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes In-Reply-To: <493EE933.7070402@verizon.net> References: <493EE933.7070402@verizon.net> Message-ID: Except that Gene's method is great for those who don't have, or cannot afford, a frequency counter. Frankly, even though I have a Hewlett- Packard counter, I often use the same method Gene describes for my own decks in day-to-day checks -- it's fast, easy and accurate enough for most purposes. On Dec 9, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Ron wrote: > > Gene, the method described does not depend on a > person's ability to perceive pitch, but on their ability to > hear a beat tone. Anyone can do that, unless stone > deaf.. The accuracy attainable that way is about > +/- 1 Hz. (about 0.03%). That's far better than the > deck speed adjustment stability. > > That said, I personally prefer a counter. > > -- Ron > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Tue Dec 9 23:40:02 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:40:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes In-Reply-To: <493EE933.7070402@verizon.net> Message-ID: You are right. But you'd be surprised how many can't hear/match the beats. Let alone fidget with a trimmer on a deck with less control than a banjo tuning peg. Naks are great but most other deck's speed trimmers are near impossible to set exact. It is either a hair too fast or hair too slow. Then the fact that tape speed is not the same at the beginning, middle, and end of tape... How many guitarists including almost all the famous rock guys who play out of tune all the time? Almost all of them. And I am not talking about the intonation issues of the guitar. Simply tuning the guitar correctly using beats. I suppose with some practice, most people can realizably match a 3000hz tone with a cassette pretty close. I've noticed that some so called 3000hz tones on the internet aren't exactly 3000. Some were 2980ish and others were 3013ish. So I made my own. Segovia had absolute pitch and yet the engineers put out an LP of his great recordings all out of tune. If Segovia was alive now, he'd probably pass out on how bad it is in the sound engineering world these days. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 4:55 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] test cassettes Gene, the method described does not depend on a person's ability to perceive pitch, but on their ability to hear a beat tone. Anyone can do that, unless stone deaf.. The accuracy attainable that way is about +/- 1 Hz. (about 0.03%). That's far better than the deck speed adjustment stability. That said, I personally prefer a counter. -- Ron Gene Ess wrote: > This only works if your musical ear is average. I've known many including > musicians who can't hear pitch well. If you have absolute pitch, then you > will have a difficult time as the pitch on the tape slightly changes and you > have to "compromise" and you will never be in exact tune with a 3000hz pure > sine wave. So YMMV. > > I have always used 2960hz as this is the note F#(7) and I don't need any > frequency counter. > > Gene > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Luis Peromarta > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:52 AM > To: Tom Brucker; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] test cassettes > > > Hi Tom > > The method descibed works! That's why I have been lately including a > test tone CD with my set of cal. tapes, so you can adjust speed. > > Take one output lead off the tape input of the amp, and plug there a > lead from the CD player. Play the test cassette, play the test tone > from cd, and adjust speed until you hear a pure, non-pulsating tone, > and you are there! > > For those guitar players aout there, this is pretty much like tuning a > guitar using harmonics > > Best rgds, LP. > > El 09/12/2008, a las 1:13, Tom Brucker escribió: > > >> The eBay link above gives a clever method for speed adjustment >> without a meter....fink a 3kHz sine test tone on the internet, play >> it on the computer speakers, and set the cassette deck speed control >> like you would tune an instrument. I think it will work....would >> anyone like to find the test tone and try it? >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 10 00:32:13 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:32:13 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes Message-ID: <10371082.1228865533819.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Counters are not the best way...they never settle down on one number (because wow and flutter make it impossible). There are many wow and flutter meters on eBay for $25-35 US. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kermit Gray >Sent: Dec 9, 2008 5:14 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] test cassettes > >Except that Gene's method is great for those who don't have, or cannot >afford, a frequency counter. Frankly, even though I have a Hewlett- >Packard counter, I often use the same method Gene describes for my own >decks in day-to-day checks -- it's fast, easy and accurate enough for >most purposes. > > > >On Dec 9, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Ron wrote: > >> >> Gene, the method described does not depend on a >> person's ability to perceive pitch, but on their ability to >> hear a beat tone. Anyone can do that, unless stone >> deaf.. The accuracy attainable that way is about >> +/- 1 Hz. (about 0.03%). That's far better than the >> deck speed adjustment stability. >> >> That said, I personally prefer a counter. >> >> -- Ron >> > >-- Kermit Gray >notarbene at kvglabs.com >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to Make Your Music Better >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >Telephone: 913-422-0957 >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 01:58:31 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:58:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] owner manual for 700ZXE cassette deck, not recording in one channel, Auto cal not working In-Reply-To: <314093.58786.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <177268.62388.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, Professionals in the music industry, mastering engineers to be specific, rarely work on a stock machine. Most analogue tape machines are set-up to their preferred tape and preferred settings. Among those engineers whom am I fortunate to meet was one who showed me his Revox B710 that could do the below-mentioned response and produced a stunning sound. It is one thing to green an old deck back to factory specs, but a totally different set of skills and experience is required to get the best possible sound and performance from it. I am not a mastering engineer hence I can't express very well the profound differences their hands will make on any equipment. Rgds, Bala LENA WONG wrote: Hi Balal: Can you elaborate what is means by "under capable hands on the Revox B710"? Thanks. Regards, Mike --- On Tue, 12/9/08, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] owner manual for 700ZXE cassette deck, not recording in one channel, Auto cal not working To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 4:06 AM Hi Ali, 4081 is a logic IC which, depending on where it is used, usually performs control or automation tasks. What you need to check is the usual suspects like Bias and the record electronics. My feeling tells me that you might have an open resistor at the bias section. Do not under-estimate the Revox decks, especially the B710. Under very capable hands, it can do 20Hz - 20kHz within 0.5 db and deliver a killer sound. Rgds, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I need the owner manual for the 700ZXE after replacing most all the orange caps and many electrolytic caps on the osc and playback board the deck still does not record in one of the chanel i.e. the right channel I am suspecting the long IC with number 4081C written on it. Since its not recording iin one channel so the Auto Calibration is not working either! The good news in that even with auto cal not working the playback on this tape deck is THE BEST!! I have ever heard from any cassette deck both channels work in playback , the sound is after hearing my other hi end cassette decks including my Revox B 710 and B 215, this rating stands still I get my other deck fixed which is the legendary 1000ZXL I am replacing every single orange cap and electrolytic caps in the 1000ZXL, Thanks! Ali -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 7:19 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] My 700 acting up You can even play with the connectors and wire harness while the unit is on and you'll see it starts, stops, things will work, others won't. I have two Naks like that, the only thing I managed to do was to place the wires=2 0so they work and don't move too much. I haven't tried if something as simple as a DeoxIT treatment would fix problems. 2008/12/7 Edward Winder : > I have owned my 700 since 1977 and it have given me great pleasure. I > recently purchased new belts and idler wheels and installed them. I needed > to clean all the switches and controls as they were very noisy. The good > news is that it plays great most of the time but it seems that I have > different problems at different times. The logic circuit will cause the > pause switch to light instead of stop, one meter or the other will not > register and sometimes the play speed will run very slow. These problems > seem to be stemming from the connectors to the logic control assy. Shutting > the unit down and playing with the CN3, CN5, and CN1 connectors usually > solves the problems for a while but they come back. Does anybody have a > solution for these poor connections? > > > > Thanks > > Ed Winder > -- Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations – including songs for the holidays – FREE while you browse. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 02:02:14 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:02:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. In-Reply-To: <493EEDE6.70900@verizon.net> Message-ID: <770335.33089.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I don't intend to open a can of worms here, But changing of op-amps - been there and done that. Changing op-amps will not render the circuit in-operable but would not deliver the same performance. It's your deck. Nit mine :) Rgds, Bala Ron wrote: Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron . I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Dec 10 02:27:38 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:27:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17d5ee910812091727kea07afftd2c33c4e27e5ba47@mail.gmail.com> Hello Kermit, What kind of filesize would FLAC give you? Cheers, Antoine 2008/12/9 Kermit Gray : > Hello All, > > I've posted both a 3,000 cps and 2m960 cps sine wave tones to my web site > for your convenience. > > http://www.kvglabs.com/mp3/3000hz.mp3 -- 30-second long tone, MP3 format: > 3,000 cps > > http://www.kvglabs.com/mp3/2960hz.mp3 -- 30 second long tone, MP3 format: > 2,960 cps > > > I have CD-resolution AIFF versions of the same tones for anyone who wants to > make a tone CD. I'd be glad to email the files to anyone who asks. Contact > me off-list. (File size is about 2.5 megabytes). > > On Dec 9, 2008, at 6:39 AM, Gene Ess wrote: > >> This only works if your musical ear is average. I've known many including >> musicians who can't hear pitch well. If you have absolute pitch, then you >> will have a difficult time as the pitch on the tape slightly changes and >> you >> have to "compromise" and you will never be in exact tune with a 3000hz >> pure >> sine wave. So YMMV. >> >> I have always used 2960hz as this is the note F#(7) and I don't need any >> frequency counter. >> >> Gene > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From chris.rinewalt at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 01:01:44 2008 From: chris.rinewalt at gmail.com (Chris Rinewalt) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:01:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <16749701.1228701223842.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16749701.1228701223842.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <79c3cfa80812091601o357fe439h86c11eab56623908@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Chris, > > Record azimuth was added when Nakamichi broke the 20kHz sound barrier. > What they learned is that each individual cassette has unique tape paths > determined by their 2 internal guide rollers. Even though these "float" they > still cause the tape travel, referred to as "skew" , to require cassette by > cassette and even side by side record azimuth adjustment to get stable > response at 20kHz and beyond. > > Some may say that we can't hear 20kHz, however the phase shift caused by > skew is broad band and can be heard well down into the treble range. > > tom brucker > Hello Tom, I figured something along those lines, but I still don't see the point of having a recording azimuth adjustment on a deck, but none for playback. Assuming that one has a source with freq's over 20 kHz and a tape that displays skew, then when the recording head azimuth is adjusted to optimize reocrding quality, that reduces the quality of playback on a deck without playback azimuth adjustment, as the same skew that had to be overcome by the recording azimuth adjustment cannot be accomplished by a "fixed" playback azimuth. I vaguely recall a few months back someone posted a quote from a Nak design tech that said the Limited had a play head that could output up to 50 or 60 kHz. Or did I imagine that? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pgreenleaf at cfl.rr.com Wed Dec 10 02:57:29 2008 From: pgreenleaf at cfl.rr.com (The Greenleaf's) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:57:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion References: <510873.11668.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <493EEDE6.70900@verizon.net> Message-ID: Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When replacing older generation op amps there are several things to consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron . I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From reformedtaper at hotmail.com Wed Dec 10 03:39:58 2008 From: reformedtaper at hotmail.com (ReformedTaper) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:39:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 Mark II Message-ID: As a subscriber to this list, I thought I would pass along some information about a 1000 MKII deck that I recently saw for sale. Electronic Engineers in Chicago on Belmont Avenue (773) 202-0909 has a re-furbished 1000 MKII for sale. They want 600.00 and will warrant the deck for a year. I suspect that they will take less. I found this place 20 year ago, looking for someone to rebuild the motor on my Nak 550. There were at least two different motors mfg'd for that deck that I know of. One had a servo control in the motor the other one didn't. When my motor fried. I had a new one ordered by a Nak service center, but when it arrived. It was not the correct motor. EE rebuilt my motor but, it never held constant speed after that, so I junked the deck ultimately. They are an authorized McIntosh repair facility among other companies and I was there picking up my vintage MAC receiver when I saw this baby sitting on a shelf. It was not there two weeks ago when I dropped off the receiver. Wood cabinet is in pretty good to very good condition, I did not pull it down off the shelf. Front of the deck appears without damage as well. As I still own two Naks and a Sony portable analog, along with two DATs, I'm not in the market for another machine, but figured someone on this list might have interest. Regards, Jeff Heymann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Dec 10 04:54:48 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:54:48 EST Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner... Message-ID: HI Bala, You are absolutely! right here! I will do as you have said! As usual your kind advice is always cherished very much by me! With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 12/9/2008 3:51:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again. I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: _naktalk-bounces at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com) [_mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com) ] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; _naktalk at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 __ (mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com) Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: _naktalk at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In _1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com) , "shantiram2000" __ (mailto:shantiram2000 at ...) wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. 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NOW only one problem remains with Auto Cal and that at SX setting the deck is not able to do a sucessful auto cal, the Auto Cal however works great on EX and ZX settings and the sound is something do die for! What is your take on the 700ZXE. Also do you know the right sequence to program the RAMM on this deck ?!t. Sorry for asking as I dont have the owner's manual. The reason I was able to figure out the Auto Cal was because I used to have a 700ZXL at one time and one of the reason I decided to purchase the 1000ZXL. I am very IMPRESSED! by the sound of the 700ZXE I would say the pre-amps circuits in it are on par with those on the 1000ZXL . You are also right about the sound from the B 710 Revox its to a great machine but the 700ZXE impressed me more! . With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 12/9/2008 5:44:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Hi Ali, 4081 is a logic IC which, depending on where it is used, usually performs control or automation tasks. What you need to check is the usual suspects like Bias and the record electronics. My feeling tells me that you might have an open resistor at the bias section. Do not under-estimate the Revox decks, especially the B710. Under very capable hands, it can do 20Hz - 20kHz within 0.5 db and deliver a killer sound. Rgds, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I need the owner manual for the 700ZXE after replacing most all the orange caps and many electrolytic caps on the osc and playback board the deck still does not record in one of the chanel i.e. the right channel I am suspecting the long IC with number 4081C written on it. Since its not recording iin one channel so the Auto Calibration is not working either! The good news in that even with auto cal not working the playback on this tape deck is THE BEST!! I have ever heard from any cassette deck both channels work in playback , the sound is after hearing my other hi end cassette decks including my Revox B 710 and B 215, this rating stands still I get my other deck fixed which is the legendary 1000ZXL I am replacing every single orange cap and electrolytic caps in the 1000ZXL, Thanks! Ali -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 7:19 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] My 700 acting up You can even play with the connectors and wire harness while the unit is on and you'll see it starts, stops, things will work, others won't. I have two Naks like that, the only thing I managed to do was to place the wires=2 0so they work and don't move too much. I haven't tried if something as simple as a DeoxIT treatment would fix problems. 2008/12/7 Edward Winder <_erwinder at comcast.net_ (mailto:erwinder at comcast.net) >: > I have owned my 700 since 1977 and it have given me great pleasure. I > recently purchased new belts and idler wheels and installed them. I needed > to clean all the switches and controls as they were very noisy. The good > news is that it plays great most of the time but it seems that I have > different problems at different times. The logic circuit will cause the > pause switch to light instead of stop, one meter or the other will not > register and sometimes the play speed will run very slow. These problems > seem to be stemming from the connectors to the logic control assy. Shutting > the unit down and playing with the CN3, CN5, and CN1 connectors usually > solves the problems for a while but they come back. 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The service and owners manuals are on the wiki (http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents) Wouter > Also > do you know the right sequence to program the RAMM on this deck ?!t. > > Sorry for asking as I dont have the owner's manual. The reason I was able > to > figure out the Auto Cal was because I used to have a 700ZXL at one time > and > one of the reason I decided to purchase the 1000ZXL. I am very IMPRESSED! > by > the sound of the 700ZXE I would say the pre-amps circuits in it are on par > with those on the 1000ZXL . From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Dec 10 10:23:44 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:23:44 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! Message-ID: <17135.82.210.249.81.1228901024.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> You're right... > I vaguely recall a few months back someone posted a quote from a Nak > design > tech that said the Limited had a play head that could output up to 50 or > 60 > kHz. Or did I imagine that? from a naktalk message way back in 2000 where Nak engineer Hideo Goto answers some questions: > 1000ZXL-limited, it was not big changes from 1000ZXL for the actual sound quality. > However the playback head was selected out! > The official spec was not changed because a filter circuit has cut the high frequency. > PB head can play back up to 40, 50kHz! > That is an advantage. Wouter From emgaron+naktalk at ribbrock.org Wed Dec 10 09:34:31 2008 From: emgaron+naktalk at ribbrock.org (T. Ribbrock) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:34:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. In-Reply-To: <493EEDE6.70900@verizon.net> References: <510873.11668.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <493EEDE6.70900@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20081210083431.GA26712@lancre.ribbrock.org> On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 05:15:02PM -0500, Ron wrote: > That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs > (are you sure it's not OP27*5*? The OP27 is not pin > compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) I don't know about pin compatibility, but I do remember that - due to it's low noise - the OP27 was taunted as one of the better choices for audio circuitry some 10-15 years back. At the time (around 1998) I was looking at schematics for headphone amps and I remember seeing the OP27 a couple of times. I also saw it a couple of years earlier when I was looking at power amp schematics (in the end settled on a 5534AN based one, mainly due to availability). I even acquired some at some point for a headphone amp to experiment with (together with some other types) - but in the end, the whole project died a silent death due to lack of time. I still have the schematics I came up with and a box full of components... ...and in the end I bought a Corda headphone amp I'm quite happy with... :-} Cheerio, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Ribbrock http://www.ribbrock.org "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 10:45:21 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:45:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] owner manual for 700ZXE cassette deck, not recording in one cha... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <728416.96606.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ali, There you go! So the ZXL and ZXE decks being unfixable is fast becoming a distant myth. As Wouter says, this works in the normal RAMM mode, hence you have to use the standard 'Pause + Rew / FFwd' button sequence to search for the song on the tape. You need to check the signal when SX is selected. Either power is not supplied to that switch or the signal, usually an 'active-high', is being disrupted to the board somewhere. If this sound stuns you, you would be speechless with the ZXL. Regards, Bala BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Bala, GOOD NEWS! !!! I cant believe it myself that I was able to fixed this beast!!. The reason for the the deck was not recording in one channel was because I located the problem to a micro crack in one the trace in on the OSC board from one of the large transitor pair, repairing the trace with solder solved the problem! REAL PATIENCE! AND DECTIVE WORK IS NEEDED TO SOLVE PROBLEMS LIKE THESE!! . The Auto Cal is working great too! NOW only one problem remains with Auto Cal and that at SX setting the deck is not able to do a sucessful auto cal, the Auto Cal however works great on EX and ZX settings and the sound is something do die for! What is your take on the 700ZXE. Also do you know the right sequence to program the RAMM on this deck ?!t. Sorry for asking as I dont have the owner's manual. The reason I was able to figure out the Auto Cal was because I used to have a 700ZXL at one time and one of the reason I decided to purchase the 1000ZXL. I am very IMPRESSED! by the sound of the 700ZXE I would say the pre-amps circuits in it are on par with those on the 1000ZXL . You are also right about the sound from the B 710 Revox its to a great machine but the 700ZXE impressed me more! . With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 12/9/2008 5:44:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Hi Ali, 4081 is a logic IC which, depending on where it is used, usually performs control or automation tasks. What you need to check is the usual suspects like Bias and the record electronics. My feeling tells me that you might have an open resistor at the bias section. Do not under-estimate the Revox decks, especially the B710. Under very capable hands, it can do 20Hz - 20kHz within 0.5 db and deliver a killer sound. Rgds, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I need the owner manual for the 700ZXE after replacing most all the orange caps and many electrolytic caps on the osc and playback board the deck still does not record in one of the chanel i.e. the right channel I am suspecting the long IC with number 4081C written on it. Since its not recording iin one channel so the Auto Calibration is not working either! The good news in that even with auto cal not working the playback on this tape deck is THE BEST!! I have ever heard from any cassette deck both channels work in playback , the sound is after hearing my other hi end cassette decks including my Revox B 710 and B 215, this rating stands still I get my other deck fixed which is the legendary 1000ZXL I am replacing every single orange cap and electrolytic caps in the 1000ZXL, Thanks! Ali -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 7:19 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] My 700 acting up You can even play with the connectors and wire harness while the unit is on and you'll see it starts, stops, things will work, others won't. I have two Naks like that, the only thing I managed to do was to place the wires=2 0so they work and don't move too much. I haven't tried if something as simple as a DeoxIT treatment would fix problems. 2008/12/7 Edward Winder : > I have owned my 700 since 1977 and it have given me great pleasure. I > recently purchased new belts and idler wheels and installed them. I needed > to clean all the switches and controls as they were very noisy. The good > news is that it plays great most of the time but it seems that I have > different problems at different times. The logic circuit will cause the > pause switch to light instead of stop, one meter or the other will not > register and sometimes the play speed will run very slow. These problems > seem to be stemming from the connectors to the logic control assy. Shutting > the unit down and playing with the CN3, CN5, and CN1 connectors usually > solves the problems for a while but they come back. Does anybody have a > solution for these poor connections? > > > > Thanks > > Ed Winder > -- Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations – including songs for the holidays – FREE while you browse. 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While plugging any modern pin-compatible op-amp will work, you would not get the ideal performance unless the related components are re-examined. Rgds, Bala The Greenleaf's wrote: Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When replacing older generation op amps there are several things to consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron . I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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The grounding for the tape heas and trasport, for example, are also improved compared to the Standard ZXL. The devil, as they say, is in the details. And when so many details come together, the resulting difference can be noticable. Rgds, Bala Wouter Heijke wrote: You're right... > I vaguely recall a few months back someone posted a quote from a Nak > design > tech that said the Limited had a play head that could output up to 50 or > 60 > kHz. Or did I imagine that? from a naktalk message way back in 2000 where Nak engineer Hideo Goto answers some questions: > 1000ZXL-limited, it was not big changes from 1000ZXL for the actual sound quality. > However the playback head was selected out! > The official spec was not changed because a filter circuit has cut the high frequency. > PB head can play back up to 40, 50kHz! > That is an advantage. Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Dec 10 11:06:41 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:06:41 EST Subject: [naktalk] OP 27 OPERATIONAL AMP IN THE 700ZXE CASSETTE DECK Message-ID: HI Bala, I did use the OP 27 op amp in place of the RC 4559 in the OSC board in the 700ZXE BEFORE! I READ YOUR EMAIL , the result was that although the deck sounded great in Playback the 400 Hz tone generator would not work! i.e.no 400 Hz tone . There are two op amps in this board, one is the RC 4558 and the other is the RC 4559. Since I did not have the RC 4558 I installed the RC 4559 in it place and replaced the old RC 4559 with a new RC 4559 the result was spectacular! Also there is an RC 4560 op amps in this deck on the main pcb what is the difference between these 3 op amps? can they be interchanged ?! Can I use the RC 4559 op amp to replace RC 4558 & RC 4560 in the 700ZXE deck and the 1000ZXL? since you mentioned that RC 4559 op amp is a high quality one, I have many RC 4559 on hand. Please let me know! Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 12/10/2008 3:32:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Hi, I don't intend to open a can of worms here, But changing of op-amps - been there and done that. Changing op-amps will not render the circuit in-operable but would not deliver the same performance. It's your deck. Nit mine :) Rgds, Bala Ron wrote: Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron . I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala _boeing747600 at aol.com_ (mailto:boeing747600 at aol.com) wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: _naktalk-bounces at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com) [_mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com) ] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; _naktalk at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 __ (mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com) Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: _naktalk at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In _1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com) , "shantiram2000" __ (mailto:shantiram2000 at ...) wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. 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Overall response bandwidth was also much more better for the > Limited's card. > > I am not too sure that we can pin-point the gold or the components or > anthing being in particular that gives the Limited a better sound. But > it's everything that comes together. There are more differences to both > decks then the available literature states. The grounding for the tape > heas and trasport, for example, are also improved compared to the > Standard ZXL. The devil, as they say, is in the details. And when so > many details come together, the resulting difference can be noticable. > > Rgds, > Bala > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > You're right... > >> I vaguely recall a few months back someone posted a quote from a Nak >> design >> tech that said the Limited had a play head that could output up to 50 or >> 60 >> kHz. Or did I imagine that? > > from a naktalk message way back in 2000 where Nak engineer Hideo Goto > answers some questions: > >> 1000ZXL-limited, it was not big changes from 1000ZXL for the actual > sound quality. >> However the playback head was selected out! >> The official spec was not changed because a filter circuit has cut the > high frequency. >> PB head can play back up to 40, 50kHz! >> That is an advantage. > > Wouter > From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Dec 10 14:21:06 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:21:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493FC242.1090900@verizon.net> Gene Ess wrote: > You are right. But you'd be surprised how many can't hear/match the beats. > Let alone fidget with a trimmer on a deck with less control than a banjo > tuning peg. This was a source of irritation every time I serviced my CR-7. The single turn speed adjustment trimmer is so gross it was next to impossible to get the speed within 1% (30Hz) -- not to mention the 1/2% I would really like. I finally solved this by replacing the trimmer with a 10 turn Mil spec trimmer. (Of course, it didn't fit on the PCB, so I Crazy Glued it in place.) This allowed me to achieve reasonable stability at 1/2% accuracy. It's probably my imagination, but I seem to feel this simple mod somehow improved wow performance. -- Ron > Naks are great but most other deck's speed trimmers are near > impossible to set exact. It is either a hair too fast or hair too slow. > Then the fact that tape speed is not the same at the beginning, middle, and > end of tape... > > How many guitarists including almost all the famous rock guys who play out > of tune all the time? Almost all of them. And I am not talking about the > intonation issues of the guitar. Simply tuning the guitar correctly using > beats. > > I suppose with some practice, most people can realizably match a 3000hz tone > with a cassette pretty close. I've noticed that some so called 3000hz tones > on the internet aren't exactly 3000. Some were 2980ish and others were > 3013ish. So I made my own. > > Segovia had absolute pitch and yet the engineers put out an LP of his great > recordings all out of tune. If Segovia was alive now, he'd probably pass > out on how bad it is in the sound engineering world these days. > > Gene > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 4:55 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] test cassettes > > > > Gene, the method described does not depend on a > person's ability to perceive pitch, but on their ability to > hear a beat tone. Anyone can do that, unless stone > deaf.. The accuracy attainable that way is about > +/- 1 Hz. (about 0.03%). That's far better than the > deck speed adjustment stability. > > That said, I personally prefer a counter. > > -- Ron > > > > Gene Ess wrote: > >> This only works if your musical ear is average. I've known many including >> musicians who can't hear pitch well. If you have absolute pitch, then you >> will have a difficult time as the pitch on the tape slightly changes and >> > you > >> have to "compromise" and you will never be in exact tune with a 3000hz >> > pure > >> sine wave. So YMMV. >> >> I have always used 2960hz as this is the note F#(7) and I don't need any >> frequency counter. >> >> Gene >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Luis Peromarta >> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:52 AM >> To: Tom Brucker; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] test cassettes >> >> >> Hi Tom >> >> The method descibed works! That's why I have been lately including a >> test tone CD with my set of cal. tapes, so you can adjust speed. >> >> Take one output lead off the tape input of the amp, and plug there a >> lead from the CD player. Play the test cassette, play the test tone >> from cd, and adjust speed until you hear a pure, non-pulsating tone, >> and you are there! >> >> For those guitar players aout there, this is pretty much like tuning a >> guitar using harmonics >> >> Best rgds, LP. >> >> El 09/12/2008, a las 1:13, Tom Brucker escribió: >> >> >> >>> The eBay link above gives a clever method for speed adjustment >>> without a meter....fink a 3kHz sine test tone on the internet, play >>> it on the computer speakers, and set the cassette deck speed control >>> like you would tune an instrument. I think it will work....would >>> anyone like to find the test tone and try it? >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Dec 10 14:29:38 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:29:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes In-Reply-To: <10371082.1228865533819.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10371082.1228865533819.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <493FC442.80900@verizon.net> Tom Brucker wrote: > Counters are not the best way...they never settle down on one number (because wow and flutter make it impossible). There are many wow and flutter meters on eBay for $25-35 US. > True, wow does show in the measurement, though DD Sankyo transports seem to have little of it. I never tried the beat frequency approach (not for deck speed adjustment, anyway), but presumed wow would also show, making it just as difficult to accurately perceive the zero beat. Was I wrong? -- Ron > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kermit Gray >> Sent: Dec 9, 2008 5:14 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] test cassettes >> >> Except that Gene's method is great for those who don't have, or cannot >> afford, a frequency counter. Frankly, even though I have a Hewlett- >> Packard counter, I often use the same method Gene describes for my own >> decks in day-to-day checks -- it's fast, easy and accurate enough for >> most purposes. >> >> >> >> On Dec 9, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Ron wrote: >> >> >>> Gene, the method described does not depend on a >>> person's ability to perceive pitch, but on their ability to >>> hear a beat tone. Anyone can do that, unless stone >>> deaf.. The accuracy attainable that way is about >>> +/- 1 Hz. (about 0.03%). That's far better than the >>> deck speed adjustment stability. >>> >>> That said, I personally prefer a counter. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >> -- Kermit Gray >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >> Skype ID: triodelicacy >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Dec 10 14:37:48 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:37:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes In-Reply-To: <493FC242.1090900@verizon.net> References: <493FC242.1090900@verizon.net> Message-ID: <493FC62C.9060601@yahoo.ca> That's a great mod to apply almost everywhere. I've already converted a few amplifier bias pots and voltage regulators to multiturns, but I guess my Naks are coming next -- when I'll have some test tapes. Ron a écrit : > Gene Ess wrote: >> You are right. But you'd be surprised how many can't hear/match the beats. >> Let alone fidget with a trimmer on a deck with less control than a banjo >> tuning peg. > This was a source of irritation every time I serviced my CR-7. > The single turn speed adjustment trimmer is so gross it was > next to impossible to get the speed within 1% (30Hz) -- not > to mention the 1/2% I would really like. I finally solved this by > replacing the trimmer with a 10 turn Mil spec trimmer. (Of > course, it didn't fit on the PCB, so I Crazy Glued it in place.) > This allowed me to achieve reasonable stability at 1/2% accuracy. > > It's probably my imagination, but I seem to feel this simple mod > somehow improved wow performance. > > -- Ron > > >> Naks are great but most other deck's speed trimmers are near >> impossible to set exact. It is either a hair too fast or hair too slow. >> Then the fact that tape speed is not the same at the beginning, middle, and >> end of tape... >> >> How many guitarists including almost all the famous rock guys who play out >> of tune all the time? Almost all of them. And I am not talking about the >> intonation issues of the guitar. Simply tuning the guitar correctly using >> beats. >> >> I suppose with some practice, most people can realizably match a 3000hz tone >> with a cassette pretty close. I've noticed that some so called 3000hz tones >> on the internet aren't exactly 3000. Some were 2980ish and others were >> 3013ish. So I made my own. >> >> Segovia had absolute pitch and yet the engineers put out an LP of his great >> recordings all out of tune. If Segovia was alive now, he'd probably pass >> out on how bad it is in the sound engineering world these days. >> >> Gene >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Ron >> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 4:55 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] test cassettes >> >> >> >> Gene, the method described does not depend on a >> person's ability to perceive pitch, but on their ability to >> hear a beat tone. Anyone can do that, unless stone >> deaf.. The accuracy attainable that way is about >> +/- 1 Hz. (about 0.03%). That's far better than the >> deck speed adjustment stability. >> >> That said, I personally prefer a counter. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Gene Ess wrote: >> >>> This only works if your musical ear is average. I've known many including >>> musicians who can't hear pitch well. If you have absolute pitch, then you >>> will have a difficult time as the pitch on the tape slightly changes and >>> >> you >> >>> have to "compromise" and you will never be in exact tune with a 3000hz >>> >> pure >> >>> sine wave. So YMMV. >>> >>> I have always used 2960hz as this is the note F#(7) and I don't need any >>> frequency counter. >>> >>> Gene >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >>> Behalf Of Luis Peromarta >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:52 AM >>> To: Tom Brucker; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] test cassettes >>> >>> >>> Hi Tom >>> >>> The method descibed works! That's why I have been lately including a >>> test tone CD with my set of cal. tapes, so you can adjust speed. >>> >>> Take one output lead off the tape input of the amp, and plug there a >>> lead from the CD player. Play the test cassette, play the test tone >>> from cd, and adjust speed until you hear a pure, non-pulsating tone, >>> and you are there! >>> >>> For those guitar players aout there, this is pretty much like tuning a >>> guitar using harmonics >>> >>> Best rgds, LP. >>> >>> El 09/12/2008, a las 1:13, Tom Brucker escribió: >>> >>> >>> >>>> The eBay link above gives a clever method for speed adjustment >>>> without a meter....fink a 3kHz sine test tone on the internet, play >>>> it on the computer speakers, and set the cassette deck speed control >>>> like you would tune an instrument. I think it will work....would >>>> anyone like to find the test tone and try it? >>>> >>>> > From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Wed Dec 10 14:42:32 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:42:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes In-Reply-To: <493FC242.1090900@verizon.net> Message-ID: Hi Ron, My Dragon is dead on. From the initial turn on and after warm up. Reverse speed is off by less than 1 cent. 1 cent is about 1/17 of a percent. Pretty impressive. I made my 2960hz test tape with the Dragon along with the other test tapes. The MR-1 I just got back is dead on and is less than 1 cent off. Pavoratti was able to hear a 1 cent difference and reprimanded a cello player who did not realize the orchestra was asked to be tuned to A = 443 hz instead of 440. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:21 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] test cassettes Gene Ess wrote: You are right. But you'd be surprised how many can't hear/match the beats. Let alone fidget with a trimmer on a deck with less control than a banjo tuning peg. This was a source of irritation every time I serviced my CR-7. The single turn speed adjustment trimmer is so gross it was next to impossible to get the speed within 1% (30Hz) -- not to mention the 1/2% I would really like. I finally solved this by replacing the trimmer with a 10 turn Mil spec trimmer. (Of course, it didn't fit on the PCB, so I Crazy Glued it in place.) This allowed me to achieve reasonable stability at 1/2% accuracy. It's probably my imagination, but I seem to feel this simple mod somehow improved wow performance. -- Ron Naks are great but most other deck's speed trimmers are near impossible to set exact. It is either a hair too fast or hair too slow. Then the fact that tape speed is not the same at the beginning, middle, and end of tape... How many guitarists including almost all the famous rock guys who play out of tune all the time? Almost all of them. And I am not talking about the intonation issues of the guitar. Simply tuning the guitar correctly using beats. I suppose with some practice, most people can realizably match a 3000hz tone with a cassette pretty close. I've noticed that some so called 3000hz tones on the internet aren't exactly 3000. Some were 2980ish and others were 3013ish. So I made my own. Segovia had absolute pitch and yet the engineers put out an LP of his great recordings all out of tune. If Segovia was alive now, he'd probably pass out on how bad it is in the sound engineering world these days. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 4:55 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] test cassettes Gene, the method described does not depend on a person's ability to perceive pitch, but on their ability to hear a beat tone. Anyone can do that, unless stone deaf.. The accuracy attainable that way is about +/- 1 Hz. (about 0.03%). That's far better than the deck speed adjustment stability. That said, I personally prefer a counter. -- Ron Gene Ess wrote: This only works if your musical ear is average. I've known many including musicians who can't hear pitch well. If you have absolute pitch, then you will have a difficult time as the pitch on the tape slightly changes and you have to "compromise" and you will never be in exact tune with a 3000hz pure sine wave. So YMMV. I have always used 2960hz as this is the note F#(7) and I don't need any frequency counter. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:52 AM To: Tom Brucker; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] test cassettes Hi Tom The method descibed works! That's why I have been lately including a test tone CD with my set of cal. tapes, so you can adjust speed. Take one output lead off the tape input of the amp, and plug there a lead from the CD player. Play the test cassette, play the test tone from cd, and adjust speed until you hear a pure, non-pulsating tone, and you are there! For those guitar players aout there, this is pretty much like tuning a guitar using harmonics Best rgds, LP. El 09/12/2008, a las 1:13, Tom Brucker escribió: The eBay link above gives a clever method for speed adjustment without a meter....fink a 3kHz sine test tone on the internet, play it on the computer speakers, and set the cassette deck speed control like you would tune an instrument. I think it will work....would anyone like to find the test tone and try it? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Dec 10 15:15:45 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:15:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion In-Reply-To: References: <510873.11668.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <493EEDE6.70900@verizon.net> Message-ID: <493FCF11.7070902@verizon.net> No argument, Bill, except to point out that newer op-amps (while indeed of wider bandwidth and higher slew rate), incorporate internal compensation and tend to have better stability than vintage designs. This is especially true for op-amps intended specifically for audio work, such as the OP-275 under discussion. I agree that one should be reasonably careful. It does make sense to look at and compare such things as output impedance, drive capability, even supply current requirements, etc. However, I sincerely doubt that replacing a 1449 with a modern audio specific FET input op-amp will not improve performance (though probably, not audibly). Several years ago I conducted an informal listening test, comparing a high quality track played straight though the system, vs. same track, but with a CR-7. monitoring loop, with its myriad of op-amps, inserted in the path (no recording, just source monitoring). None of the listeners could tell the difference. This leads me to believe that improving the op-amps will not making a audible difference. BTW, I know Stephen Sank (and others -- were enamoured of the OP275. Personally, I prefer the OPA2134. A bit cheaper than the OP275, it's a pin for pin replacement for the 1449. As used in line stage and phono stage circuits, it sounded great, assuming one enjoys very pure, analytical presentation. -- Ron The Greenleaf's wrote: > Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When > replacing older generation op amps there are several things to > consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" don't > need to re-examine component values in the circuits. However, the > stickler is whether the original circuit designers properly accounted > for the inherent stability breakpoints of the op amp itself. The > newer op amps have significantly higher gain-bandwidth that cause > stability issues, not necessarily with the op amp itself but the > overall signal chain. The obvious solution is to carefully examine > any circuit in which part substitutions are taking place. Careful > substitutions can work wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we > all desire. > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ron > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison > is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Hi Ali, >> >> The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp >> here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been >> designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally >> change the circuit unless component values are worked out again > > That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs > (are you sure it's not OP27*5*? The OP27 is not pin > compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but > the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another > type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. > You *will* have to evaluate specs for stability and AC > characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component > values. > > -- Ron > > >> . >> >> I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing >> anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of >> the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most >> important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that >> the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. >> >> Regards, >> Bala >> >> */boeing747600 at aol.com/* wrote: >> >> Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree >> more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic >> capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a >> try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal >> and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis >> who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just >> now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I >> am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It >> boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service >> manual. Thanks! Ali >> >> >> .....Read on. >> >> >> Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. >> IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical >> to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the >> gold plating of various parts -- including the front >> panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such >> as heads. >> >> I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance >> (including long term). As to part selection, it depends >> on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi >> tended to use good quality components, this is also >> a rather moot point. >> >> Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may >> sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability >> this is a function of the specific decks. Some other >> 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or >> the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs >> may sound different, depending on condition, age, >> amount of previous use, etc., etc.. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> Willy Hermann Services wrote: >>> Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. >>> I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, >>> but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- >>>> From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is >>>> In. the Cmparison is DOne. And >>> the Winner is..........Read on. >>>> --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the >>>> two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to >>>> the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was >>>> playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD >>>> played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the >>>> Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Dec 10 15:43:27 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:43:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion In-Reply-To: <702067.91721.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <702067.91721.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <493FD58F.1030601@verizon.net> That, again, is inaccurate. Let's take a look at a representative amp circuit. The negative input series and feedback resistors set the gain. You certainly do not want to change these. The positive input resistor is there to equalize offset current -- since the other resistors are not changed, this one shouldn't be changed, either (though, due to lowered offset current in the modern op-amp, it's value may be is less critical). There are no compensation components, as they are all internal to the IC. What else is there to change? You also say, "The circuit was designed to take maximum advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input and output sections."Huh??? what, exactly, did they do to 'optimize' the circuit? Don't forget, the new op-amp has lower noise, higher input impedance, lower output impedance, lower offset voltage and current. better supply rejection etc.. This makes it closer to the ideal op-amp model.. Would you name even one component that needs to change? -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi Bill, > > I think you have got it right there. The circuit was designed to take > maximum advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input and > output sections. The circuit was also optimized for very low noise. > While plugging any modern pin-compatible op-amp will work, you would > not get the ideal performance unless the related components are > re-examined. > > Rgds, > Bala > > */The Greenleaf's /* wrote: > > Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When > replacing older generation op amps there are several things to > consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" > don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. > However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers > properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the > op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher > gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with > the op amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious > solution is to carefully examine any circuit in which part > substitutions are taking place. Careful substitutions can work > wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ron > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the > Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Hi Ali, >> >> The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp >> here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been >> designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally >> change the circuit unless component values are worked out again > > That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs > (are you sure it's not OP27*5*? The OP27 is not pin > compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but > the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another > type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. > You *will* have to evaluate specs for stability and AC > characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component > values. > > -- Ron > > >> . >> >> I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to >> changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is >> also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet >> sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in >> order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient >> response is preserved. >> >> Regards, >> Bala >> >> */boeing747600 at aol.com/* wrote: >> >> Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt >> agree more with your email . I just got my pp and >> electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great >> folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in >> place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this >> is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his >> email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to >> replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very >> excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It >> boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service >> manual. Thanks! Ali >> >> >> .....Read on. >> >> >> Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. >> IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical >> to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the >> gold plating of various parts -- including the front >> panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such >> as heads. >> >> I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance >> (including long term). As to part selection, it depends >> on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi >> tended to use good quality components, this is also >> a rather moot point. >> >> Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may >> sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability >> this is a function of the specific decks. Some other >> 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or >> the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs >> may sound different, depending on condition, age, >> amount of previous use, etc., etc.. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> Willy Hermann Services wrote: >>> Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and >>> didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: >>> The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- >>>> From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And >>> the Winner is..........Read on. >>>> --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the >>>> Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with >>>> this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape >>>> recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this >>>> was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of >>>> transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 10 16:30:14 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:30:14 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion Message-ID: <4956835.1228923014160.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boeing747600 at aol.com Wed Dec 10 21:44:46 2008 From: boeing747600 at aol.com (boeing747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:44:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Setting Correct Bias/Level EX, SX and ZX setting on the 700ZXE. In-Reply-To: <10157257.1228922150224.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10157257.1228922150224.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CB291F44D29480-13B4-36@webmail-dx01.sysops.aol.com> Hi  Tom,   Thanks for suggestion one problem I dont have access to an audio generator at moment so I cant input any other frequency other than use the 400hz built in tone generator of the 700ZXE. Do you know of method that we can might be able to get the SX to auto cal like the EX and ZX settings?!   Also any suggestion where I might be able to obtain the aluminium covers/inserts that goes on the tape transport button I need two of these maybe some has these from a donor that lying around and can be removed from?! Thanks again! for your kind help!  Both you and Bala are awesome in help us guys! with our Naks. Wouter if you reading this thanks to you also! for providing the link download the 700ZXE service manual .Yes!  I have to agree with you the sound is simply AWESOME! from the 700ZXE . I think the sound is even better than the CR 7A I used to own two CR 7A with remote control at one time.  I think the Nak 700ZXE,  700ZXL AND 1000ZXL AND THE 1000ZXL LIMITED WHERE THE FINEST! TAPE DECK EVER MADE BY NAKAMICHI AND ALSO THE MOST EXPENSIVE!! Everyone here should one day get hold one of these models listed here to really appreciate the truly awesome sound from these deck and i am truly awesome!  With Best Regards!  Ali -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:15 am Subject: Re: [na ktalk] owner manual for 700ZXE cassette deck, not recording in one cha... Ali, Set bias and level controls at middle position. Record and monitor 5 or 6 kHz at -10dB, and set bias (only) for peak output. Next, record 400hz at -20 and set 15kHz (-20dB) to the same level rotating the bias control clockwise from the previous settling. Then, when the two are equal, set the level for 0Vu when input is 400Hz at 0Vu.   The problem you describe is typical of an underbiased condition. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: Dec 9, 2008 10:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] owner manual for 700ZXE cassette deck, not recording in one cha... Hi Bala,  GOOD NEWS! !!!  I cant believe it myself that I was able to fixed this beast!!. The reason for the the deck was not recording in one channel was because I located the problem to a  micro crack in one the trace in on the OSC board  from one of  the large transitor pair, repairing the trace with solder solved the problem! REAL PATIENCE! AND DECTIVE WORK IS NEEDED TO SOLVE PROBLEMS LIKE THESE!! . The Auto Cal is working great too! NOW  only one problem  remains with Auto Cal and that at SX setting the deck is not able to do a sucessful auto cal, the Auto Cal however works great on EX and ZX settings and the sound is something do die for! What is your take on the 700ZXE. Also do you  know the right sequen ce to program the RAMM on this deck ?!t.   Sorry for asking as I dont have the owner's manual. The reason I was able to figure out the Auto Cal was because I used to have a 700ZXL at one time and one of the reason I decided to purchase the 1000ZXL. I am very IMPRESSED! by the sound of the 700ZXE I would say the pre-amps circuits in it are on par with those  on the 1000ZXL . You are also right about the sound from the B 710 Revox its to a great machine but the 700ZXE impressed me more! .  With Best Regards!  Ali   In a message dated 12/9/2008 5:44:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Hi Ali,   4081 is a logic IC which, depending on where it is used, usually performs control or automation tasks. What you need to check is the usual suspects like Bias and the record electronics. My feeling tells me that you might have an open resistor at the bias section.   Do not under-estimate the Revox decks, especially the B710. Under very capable hands, it can do 20Hz - 20kHz within 0.5 db and deliver a killer sound.   Rgds, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Everyone,   I need the owner manual for the 700ZXE after replacing most all the orange caps and many electrolytic caps on the osc and playback board  the deck still does not record in one of the chanel i.e. the right channel I am suspecting the long IC with number 4081C written on it. Since its not r ecording iin one channel so the Auto Calibration is not working either! The good news in that even with auto cal not working the playback on this tape deck is THE BEST!! I have ever heard  from any cassette deck  both channels work in playback , the sound is after hearing my other hi end cassette decks including my Revox B 710 and B 215, this rating stands  still I get my other deck fixed which is the legendary 1000ZXL I am replacing every single orange cap and electrolytic caps in the 1000ZXL, Thanks! Ali -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 7:19 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] My 700 acting up You can even play with the connectors and wire harness while the unit is on and you'll see it starts, stops, things will work, others won't. I have two Naks like that, the only thing I managed to do was to place the wires=2 0so they work and don't move too much. I haven't tried if something as simple as a DeoxIT treatment would fix problems. 2008/12/7 Edward Winder : > I have owned my 700 since 1977 and it have given me great pleasure. I > recently purchased new belts and idler wheels and installed them. I needed > to clean all the switches and controls as they were very noisy. The good > news is that it plays great most of the time but it seems that I have > different problems at different times. The logic circuit will cause the > pause switch to light instead of stop, one meter or the other will not > register and sometimes the play speed will run very slow. These problems > seem to be stemming from the connectors to the logic control assy. Shutting > the unit down and playing with the CN3, CN5, and CN1 connectors usually > solves the problems for a while but they come back. Does anybody have a > solution for these poor connections? > > > > Thanks > > Ed Winder > -- Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations – including songs for the holidays – FREE while you browse. 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URL: From boeing747600 at aol.com Wed Dec 10 21:52:12 2008 From: boeing747600 at aol.com (boeing747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:52:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE cassette deck auto cal question In-Reply-To: <10157257.1228922150224.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10157257.1228922150224.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CB29204FA70348-13B4-B1@webmail-dx01.sysops.aol.com> Hi Again Tom,  Please excuse my emails sometimes I am so busy! that I can edit the typo mistakes before I send them, what I wanted to say was that is I dont have access to a audio freq generator at moment I am afraid so the only freq we can work with is the 400hz tone generator of the 700ZXE, is there another method to adjust the bias /level using this freq only and still be able to correctly adjust the bias/level setting so the deck can auto cal on the SX setting?! Please let me know!  Thanks!  Ali -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:15 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] owner manual for 700ZXE cassette deck, not recording in one cha... Ali, Set bias and level controls at middle position. Record and monitor 5 or 6 kHz at -10dB, and set bias (only) for peak output. Next, record 400hz at -20 and set 15kHz (-20dB) to the same level rotating the bias control clockwise from the previous settling. Then, when the two are equal, set the level for 0Vu when input is 400Hz at 0Vu.   The problem you describe is typical of an underbiased condition. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: Dec 9, 2008 10:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] owner manual for 700ZXE cassette deck, not recording in one cha... Hi Bala,  GOOD NEWS! !!!  I cant believe it myself that I was able to=2 0fixed this beast!!. The reason for the the deck was not recording in one channel was because I located the problem to a  micro crack in one the trace in on the OSC board  from one of  the large transitor pair, repairing the trace with solder solved the problem! REAL PATIENCE! AND DECTIVE WORK IS NEEDED TO SOLVE PROBLEMS LIKE THESE!! . The Auto Cal is working great too! NOW  only one problem  remains with Auto Cal and that at SX setting the deck is not able to do a sucessful auto cal, the Auto Cal however works great on EX and ZX settings and the sound is something do die for! What is your take on the 700ZXE. Also do you  know the right sequence to program the RAMM on this deck ?!t.   Sorry for asking as I dont have the owner's manual. The reason I was able to figure out the Auto Cal was because I used to have a 700ZXL at one time and one of the reason I decided to purchase the 1000ZXL. I am very IMPRESSED! by the sound of the 700ZXE I would say the pre-amps circuits in it are on par with those  on the 1000ZXL . You are also right about the sound from the B 710 Revox its to a great machine but the 700ZXE impressed me more! .  With Best Regards!  Ali   In a message dated 12/9/2008 5:44:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Hi Ali,   4081 is a logic IC which, depending on where it is used, usually performs control or automation ta sks. What you need to check is the usual suspects like Bias and the record electronics. My feeling tells me that you might have an open resistor at the bias section.   Do not under-estimate the Revox decks, especially the B710. Under very capable hands, it can do 20Hz - 20kHz within 0.5 db and deliver a killer sound.   Rgds, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Everyone,   I need the owner manual for the 700ZXE after replacing most all the orange caps and many electrolytic caps on the osc and playback board  the deck still does not record in one of the chanel i.e. the right channel I am suspecting the long IC with number 4081C written on it. Since its not recording iin one channel so the Auto Calibration is not working either! The good news in that even with auto cal not working the playback on this tape deck is THE BEST!! I have ever heard  from any cassette deck  both channels work in playback , the sound is after hearing my other hi end cassette decks including my Revox B 710 and B 215, this rating stands  still I get my other deck fixed which is the legendary 1000ZXL I am replacing every single orange cap and electrolytic caps in the 1000ZXL, Thanks! Ali -----Original Message----- From: Antoine Deschênes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 7:19 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] My 700 acting up You can even play with the connectors and wire harness while the uni t is on and you'll see it starts, stops, things will work, others won't. I have two Naks like that, the only thing I managed to do was to place the wires=2 0so they work and don't move too much. I haven't tried if something as simple as a DeoxIT treatment would fix problems. 2008/12/7 Edward Winder : > I have owned my 700 since 1977 and it have given me great pleasure. I > recently purchased new belts and idler wheels and installed them. I needed > to clean all the switches and controls as they were very noisy. The good > news is that it plays great most of the time but it seems that I have > different problems at different times. The logic circuit will cause the > pause switch to light instead of stop, one meter or the other will not > register and sometimes the play speed will run very slow. These problems > seem to be stemming from the connectors to the logic control assy. Shutting > the unit down and playing with the CN3, CN5, and CN1 connectors usually > solves the problems for a while but they come back. Does anybody have a > solution for these poor connections? > > > > Thanks > > Ed Winder > -- Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations – including songs for the holidays – FREE while you browse. 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Try it now. i Tech Service 934 Nolensville Rd. ashville, TN 37211 itech77 at earthlink.net itech at bellsouth.net 15-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk =======---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mamster at webeasy.com Wed Dec 10 22:32:42 2008 From: mamster at webeasy.com (Michael Amster) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:32:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 door will not eject Message-ID: <4940357A.6090306@webeasy.com> I bought some belts from Fred M at Marrs to refurb my ZX-7 that has been sitting unused since I bought it about 3 years ago. I was able to replace the belts - more work than I counted on. However now that I have things together, the door will not eject. It seems to be "locked". I do not want to force anything, since it was working fine before my reassembly. If anyone knows what to check - it might be something very simple. I also wanted to get one circlip (c-clip - I mistakenly removed it and my attempt to re-attach it launched it into eternity). For the ZX-7 is the idler wheel press fit or does it have a pressed clip holding it in place? I ask because I did not see anything when I looked and removed the assembly to replace the rubber. I really do look forward to having this machine working. I am located in SoCal, so if I did mess up, are there local folks who have experience fixing the ZX-7? -MA From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Dec 10 23:32:02 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:32:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Best sounding Naks In-Reply-To: <489958.43862.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <489958.43862.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <887DD71E-DFC0-4647-ACC2-82D9386B63F7@kvglabs.com> Hi Guys, Sorry for the late reply on this, I've been getting behind in emails recently. Asking "what's the best sound?" is like asking "what's the best food?" That's a matter of individual taste. I prefer the 1000ZXL my Nakamichi 600 and 600-II to all others, but it would not occur to me to criticize anyone for preferring the Dragon, the CR-anything, or the 680ZX. It's all just individual taste. As many of you know, I learned recording and audio in general during a five-year apprenticeship. Most of the training was to be able to learn to recognize different listener tastes, then make a recording or piece of equipment that appealed to that taste, even if your taste differed. That was difficult! Almost no project I did reflected my tastes, but over time I learned how to recognize and create "good sound" according to the preferences of others. One unexpected benefit of this was my listening taste expanded -- I learned to enjoy so many different kinds of sound, which means I had so many more opportunities to enjoy sound. Cool! When I first began, I preferred only the cleanest, clearest sounding equipment -- I'd go into a store, look at spec sheets, and exclude listening to anything that didn't have great specs. My first excellent cassette deck wasn't the Nakamichi 550 and 600-II that I bought in 1977 and 1978, but a Eumig. Why? It had better specs than Nakamichi 550 or 600/600-II -- so I bought it without even listening to a Nakamichi! So after I bought it, I had to use a Nakamichi 550 the studio owned and so had to chance to compare it to my Eumig. The 550 was so much better than the Eumig! This confused me as a beginner. How could that be? The 550's specs were worse! Fortunately, my training taught me early on that better specs doesn't always mean better sound, any my trainers used this situation as a good learning experience. I sold the Eumig, by the way. One experience in my apprenticeship stands out in my mind. During a country-western recording, the vocals were being recorded through an AKG C414. I preferred either ribbon mikes or the older AKG C12, but I put my mouth shut. Another of the apprentices said aloud after one take that anyone who preferred FET condensor mikes close-up for vocals had a tin ear and wasn't as "scientific" a listener as he was. The master engineer castigated the hapless apprentice in front of the entire crew, making the point that the apprentice's comment was merely his opinion, and was not a fact; that no one's opinion was better than anyone else's opinion, and that his attitude that his listening tastes were better than some else's was wrong, arrogant and ignorant. We never say that apprentice again -- he was fired right off the studio floor. I make the same points to my apprentices and students today. You are entitled to your listening tastes and audio philosophy, but at the end of the those things are merely your opinions. So, don’t state your opinions as if they are facts. Don’t label people. This habit contributes nothing to a discussion, and usually ends up destroying any meaningful discussion by causing it to descend into conflict. If nothing else, it makes the writer appear self-superior, arrogant, intolerant, biased, condescending or a combination of those bad traits. Interestingly, those who habitually label people in their writings often apply the most flattering labels to themselves only, while applying the unflattering or marginalizing labels to everyone else. Common labels used are “subjective,” “subjectivist,” “non- scientific”, “objectivist,” “objective” and so on. I teach my students and apprentices to understand that labeling is often an attempt discredit a person through the use of the label, and is a tactic often used by writers who cannot refute the actual facts another person presents. Their hope is that discrediting the person’s identity or character, you discredit what they say. This is a logical fallacy referred to as an “argument ad hominem.” Ironically, a writer’s use of an ad hominem actually discredits the writer immediately and succinctly, instead of discrediting the other person. On the topic of labeling, the label “audiophool” has become popular in Internet discussion forums. This tacky dysphemism belongs nowhere in the writings of anyone of substance. This word adds nothing to a discussion or an article. It’s merely an insult, and readers will respond to it as such. Fortunately, the person who uses the dysphemism “audiophool” is the one who actually is diminished -- far more than the person toward whom the insult is directed. An interesting trend has been occurring, though, as some persons are taking the term “audiophool” and redefining it to mean a person who is avidly interested in audio equipment. Bravo to those individuals! Nevertheless, in most contexts, “audiophool” is merely an insult and should be excised from quality writing. I teach my students that they should ignore the writings of anyone who uses the term "audiophool." You know, in all reality, it amazes me that some people think that being "subjective" is somehow lesser, and that subjectivity is an appropriate insult for someone else's views. Hey, like everything else that deals with the human senses, audio (which is affected by the sense of hearing) is inherently subjective. So what? this is a non- issue, so don't get sucked into falling for the myth that being subjective somehow introduces errors or misjudgments. *.*.*.*.* I had a good (well-meaning) laugh at Gene's comment, "90 percent of commercial CDs, tapes, LPs are so poorly recorded that you need something to improve it later in your listening environment." Gene is indeed an outstanding musician, and because I also have perfect pitch, I relate to his frustration! I decided to "be on the other end of the mike" and become a recording engineer, not a musician, but most of my friends are musicians. We were saying the same things in the 1970s about LPs, 45s, 8-tracks, cassettes and broadcasts. That's why the "better equipped" stereo of the day had an EQ (Pioneer, SAE, White and many others), a dynamic range expander (dbx 3BX anyone?), a reverb unit (Pioneer, Fisher and Sansui units being the most popular) and a pop-and-tick eliminator (SAE 5000A or Burwen/KLH units). Economics in the studio often had to trump technical expertise, but there were still bright spots of great sound: direct-to-disc labels like Crystal Clear and Nautilus, "Mo-Fi" remasters, Telarc's amazing SoundStream digitally-mastered LPs, The Musical Heritage Society LPs, Barclay-Crocker tapes, and anything Pink Floyd released -- remember how many hi-fi salons used The Wall and Dark Side of the moon to demo their high end speakers and turntables? Yet most recordings, then as now, were regarded as dreck, especially recalling the "recycled vinyl" scandals of the mid-1970s. Interestingly, the most-common complaint was over-compression because of the "loudness wars" -- hence the desire for dynamic range expanders, even cheapies like Pioneer's mediocre RG-1. Even then, critics described most records as being over-processed. It's the same today, most recordings are over-processed. Why? Economic realities. The recording engineer has to face a dilemma: make the album sound good on low-quality equipment (pocket AM radio, cheap cassette player, $10-per-pair PC speakers, BSR turntable with crystal cartridge won on eBay, or iPod Sniffle) - or - make it sound great on high-quality equipment (Nakamichi 600, Revox A77, Graham turntable, MBL Radialstrahler or KVG Labs speakers) -- while meeting a budget and short deadlines. It IS possible to satisfy listeners owning both excellent and inferior stereos, but it takes time, meticulous planning, many years of experience, uncompromising technique and extremely fine recording equipment. That describes an expensive recording project! So, it's much easier to park a mike in front of the instrument, record into Protools, and "fix it in the mix" using Protools nonlinear editor, waveform redraw tool, and every one of the 1001 "plugins" the engineer downloaded off the Internet. But that highlights what I think is the biggest difference between today's engineers and those of my era: like the others who went through similar apprenticeships to that I served, we were taught you can't "fix it in the mix" -- that's the excuse offered by sloppy engineers. Today, that's exactly what is expected -- record quick-n- easy, the fix it in the mix! There are many other differences, but that's beyond the scope of this mess(age). On Dec 5, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Gene, > There are no clear winners in this muddy debate. Many have chosen to > tailor make their music reproduction equipment so that they can > color the end product in their own listening environ, to suit their > own tastes. The whole goal in the beginning however, was to give as > close to an original recording in your listening environ as was > possible-we took the notion for granted that recording engineers > were perfectionists, for the most part.. Granted, many recording > engineers today are nowhere near as persnickety as a Kermit Gray or > a Lee Hazen. It's a sad fact I guess, that rode in on the relative > ease of using digital recording in live performances. > > And I don't see anything wrong if your reproduction equipment has > the ability to go 'off center' as long as when you do have an > excellent recording, you can bring it back to absolute neutrality. > I'm sure you remember equalizers...they were huge once and found in > the best of systems. But what happened was predictable-another > 'colored' device in the chain of music reproduction. In most houses > the temptation was to keep tweaking them and the result was that the > end sound was nowhere near the good music source. > > Kevin > > > > > > Gene Ess gene at jazzgenemusic.com > Fri Dec 5 17:36:26 CET 2008 > I have to disagree in that audio gear that reproduces the music > exactly as > it is on the source medium is the best way. > > 90 percent of commercial CDs, tapes, lps are so poorly recorded that > you > need something to improve it later in your listening environment. I > am a > musician and have recorded and performed with some very well known > artists > around the world. I have witnessed first hand how careless and non- > detailed > oriented many recording engineers can be. One of my albums was > mastered by > a Grammy winning engineer and it sounds horrible. If I had to > listen back > to the CD exactly as it is on the medium, I think I would really > consider > suing the guy. > > I also have absolute pitch and pitch control on some of my Nak decks > are as > important as the decks themselves. I was listening to a wonderful > album by > the great Andres Segovia and I was finally able to listen to the > tracks in > tune! On the LP and the > CD, > each track is way off tune. Matter of fact, > there was not 1 track that was correct. > > Of course, Miles Davis "Kind of Blue" is famous for it being way > off. Many > great recorded jazz music is so bad sonically that I can't imagine not > having some control in the listening gear. Balance, EQ, pitch > control, and > some coloration is welcome from my point of view. > > Gene > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From pgreenleaf at cfl.rr.com Thu Dec 11 01:19:39 2008 From: pgreenleaf at cfl.rr.com (The Greenleaf's) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:19:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion References: <510873.11668.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com><493EEDE6.70900@verizon.net> <493FCF11.7070902@verizon.net> Message-ID: <6CD38C538B9047A59C639B6CED04E180@wtgd24g> Ron & Bala, Seeing your responses maybe I'll elaborate on my comments. I work with avionics and we have had several cases where we needed to replace obsolete op amps in either audio or control loop applications. When we used the newer op amps, including those with FET input stages we found that the circuits did not perform as well as the original circuits until we added components to recreate the inherent pole included in the original op amp due to the restricted gain bandwidth product. Ron, you certainly could make the case that this is related to the original designer overlooking a key characteristic of the design process but I would suspect that most designs of that era (early 70's to late 80's) could potentially exhibit similar behaviors. I agree that the surrounding components should be fine as is but it is the phantom pole in the original op amp that may need to be compensated with the newer op amp. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion No argument, Bill, except to point out that newer op-amps (while indeed of wider bandwidth and higher slew rate), incorporate internal compensation and tend to have better stability than vintage designs. This is especially true for op-amps intended specifically for audio work, such as the OP-275 under discussion. I agree that one should be reasonably careful. It does make sense to look at and compare such things as output impedance, drive capability, even supply current requirements, etc. However, I sincerely doubt that replacing a 1449 with a modern audio specific FET input op-amp will not improve performance (though probably, not audibly). Several years ago I conducted an informal listening test, comparing a high quality track played straight though the system, vs. same track, but with a CR-7. monitoring loop, with its myriad of op-amps, inserted in the path (no recording, just source monitoring). None of the listeners could tell the difference. This leads me to believe that improving the op-amps will not making a audible difference. BTW, I know Stephen Sank (and others -- were enamoured of the OP275. Personally, I prefer the OPA2134. A bit cheaper than the OP275, it's a pin for pin replacement for the 1449. As used in line stage and phono stage circuits, it sounded great, assuming one enjoys very pure, analytical presentation. -- Ron The Greenleaf's wrote: Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When replacing older generation op amps there are several things to consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron . I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From erwinder at comcast.net Thu Dec 11 01:56:51 2008 From: erwinder at comcast.net (Edward Winder) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:56:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Best sounding Naks In-Reply-To: <887DD71E-DFC0-4647-ACC2-82D9386B63F7@kvglabs.com> References: <489958.43862.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <887DD71E-DFC0-4647-ACC2-82D9386B63F7@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <94CA95A54C3F4581B755977AF9A0DEC1@office> Thanks you Kermit, I enjoyed your post as someone that appreciated the work of the engineers that put out great recordings and could not understand why anyone would put out such bad recording. For many years I let The Absolute Sound magazine guide me to great recording. I was spoiled by the work of Sheffield Labs Direct to Disk and Reference Recording along with all the others that you had mentioned. I am in the process of bringing my Nak. 700 back to life and the first tape I grabbed was The Wall. It sounded great. Ed > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit > Gray > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:32 PM > To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Best sounding Naks > > Hi Guys, > > Sorry for the late reply on this, I've been getting behind in emails > recently. > > Asking "what's the best sound?" is like asking "what's the best food?" > That's a matter of individual taste. > > I prefer the 1000ZXL my Nakamichi 600 and 600-II to all others, but it > would not occur to me to criticize anyone for preferring the Dragon, > the CR-anything, or the 680ZX. It's all just individual taste. > > As many of you know, I learned recording and audio in general during a > five-year apprenticeship. Most of the training was to be able to learn > to recognize different listener tastes, then make a recording or piece > of equipment that appealed to that taste, even if your taste differed. > That was difficult! Almost no project I did reflected my tastes, but > over time I learned how to recognize and create "good sound" > according to the preferences of others. One unexpected benefit of > this was my listening taste expanded -- I learned to enjoy so many > different kinds of sound, which means I had so many more opportunities > to enjoy sound. Cool! When I first began, I preferred only the > cleanest, clearest sounding equipment -- I'd go into a store, look at > spec sheets, and exclude listening to anything that didn't have great > specs. My first excellent cassette deck wasn't the Nakamichi 550 and > 600-II that I bought in 1977 and 1978, but a Eumig. Why? It had better > specs than Nakamichi 550 or 600/600-II -- so I bought it without even > listening to a Nakamichi! So after I bought it, I had to use a > Nakamichi 550 the studio owned and so had to chance to compare it to > my Eumig. The 550 was so much better than the Eumig! This confused me > as a beginner. How could that be? The 550's specs were worse! > Fortunately, my training taught me early on that better specs doesn't > always mean better sound, any my trainers used this situation as a > good learning experience. I sold the Eumig, by the way. > > One experience in my apprenticeship stands out in my mind. During a > country-western recording, the vocals were being recorded through an > AKG C414. I preferred either ribbon mikes or the older AKG C12, but I > put my mouth shut. Another of the apprentices said aloud after one > take that anyone who preferred FET condensor mikes close-up for vocals > had a tin ear and wasn't as "scientific" a listener as he was. The > master engineer castigated the hapless apprentice in front of the > entire crew, making the point that the apprentice's comment was merely > his opinion, and was not a fact; that no one's opinion was better than > anyone else's opinion, and that his attitude that his listening tastes > were better than some else's was wrong, arrogant and ignorant. We > never say that apprentice again -- he was fired right off the studio > floor. > > I make the same points to my apprentices and students today. You are > entitled to your listening tastes and audio philosophy, but at the end > of the those things are merely your opinions. So, don't state your > opinions as if they are facts. Don't label people. This habit > contributes nothing to a discussion, and usually ends up destroying > any meaningful discussion by causing it to descend into conflict. If > nothing else, it makes the writer appear self-superior, arrogant, > intolerant, biased, condescending or a combination of those bad > traits. Interestingly, those who habitually label people in their > writings often apply the most flattering labels to themselves only, > while applying the unflattering or marginalizing labels to everyone > else. Common labels used are "subjective," "subjectivist," "non- > scientific", "objectivist," "objective" and so on. I teach my > students and apprentices to understand that labeling is often an > attempt discredit a person through the use of the label, and is a > tactic often used by writers who cannot refute the actual facts > another person presents. Their hope is that discrediting the person's > identity or character, you discredit what they say. This is a logical > fallacy referred to as an "argument ad hominem." Ironically, a > writer's use of an ad hominem actually discredits the writer > immediately and succinctly, instead of discrediting the other person. > > On the topic of labeling, the label "audiophool" has become popular in > Internet discussion forums. This tacky dysphemism belongs nowhere in > the writings of anyone of substance. This word adds nothing to a > discussion or an article. It's merely an insult, and readers will > respond to it as such. Fortunately, the person who uses the dysphemism > "audiophool" is the one who actually is diminished -- far more than > the person toward whom the insult is directed. An interesting trend > has been occurring, though, as some persons are taking the term > "audiophool" and redefining it to mean a person who is avidly > interested in audio equipment. Bravo to those individuals! > Nevertheless, in most contexts, "audiophool" is merely an insult and > should be excised from quality writing. I teach my students that they > should ignore the writings of anyone who uses the term "audiophool." > > You know, in all reality, it amazes me that some people think that > being "subjective" is somehow lesser, and that subjectivity is an > appropriate insult for someone else's views. Hey, like everything else > that deals with the human senses, audio (which is affected by the > sense of hearing) is inherently subjective. So what? this is a non- > issue, so don't get sucked into falling for the myth that being > subjective somehow introduces errors or misjudgments. > > *.*.*.*.* > > I had a good (well-meaning) laugh at Gene's comment, "90 percent of > commercial CDs, tapes, LPs are so poorly recorded that you need > something to improve it later in your listening environment." Gene is > indeed an outstanding musician, and because I also have perfect pitch, > I relate to his frustration! I decided to "be on the other end of the > mike" and become a recording engineer, not a musician, but most of my > friends are musicians. > > We were saying the same things in the 1970s about LPs, 45s, 8-tracks, > cassettes and broadcasts. That's why the "better equipped" stereo of > the day had an EQ (Pioneer, SAE, White and many others), a dynamic > range expander (dbx 3BX anyone?), a reverb unit (Pioneer, Fisher and > Sansui units being the most popular) and a pop-and-tick eliminator > (SAE 5000A or Burwen/KLH units). Economics in the studio often had to > trump technical expertise, but there were still bright spots of great > sound: direct-to-disc labels like Crystal Clear and Nautilus, "Mo-Fi" > remasters, Telarc's amazing SoundStream digitally-mastered LPs, The > Musical Heritage Society LPs, Barclay-Crocker tapes, and anything Pink > Floyd released -- remember how many hi-fi salons used The Wall and > Dark Side of the moon to demo their high end speakers and turntables? > Yet most recordings, then as now, were regarded as dreck, especially > recalling the "recycled vinyl" scandals of the mid-1970s. > Interestingly, the most-common complaint was over-compression because > of the "loudness wars" -- hence the desire for dynamic range > expanders, even cheapies like Pioneer's mediocre RG-1. Even then, > critics described most records as being over-processed. It's the same > today, most recordings are over-processed. > > Why? > > Economic realities. The recording engineer has to face a dilemma: make > the album sound good on low-quality equipment (pocket AM radio, cheap > cassette player, $10-per-pair PC speakers, BSR turntable with crystal > cartridge won on eBay, or iPod Sniffle) - or - make it sound great on > high-quality equipment (Nakamichi 600, Revox A77, Graham turntable, > MBL Radialstrahler or KVG Labs speakers) -- while meeting a budget and > short deadlines. It IS possible to satisfy listeners owning both > excellent and inferior stereos, but it takes time, meticulous > planning, many years of experience, uncompromising technique and > extremely fine recording equipment. That describes an expensive > recording project! > > So, it's much easier to park a mike in front of the instrument, record > into Protools, and "fix it in the mix" using Protools nonlinear > editor, waveform redraw tool, and every one of the 1001 "plugins" the > engineer downloaded off the Internet. > > But that highlights what I think is the biggest difference between > today's engineers and those of my era: like the others who went > through similar apprenticeships to that I served, we were taught you > can't "fix it in the mix" -- that's the excuse offered by sloppy > engineers. Today, that's exactly what is expected -- record quick-n- > easy, the fix it in the mix! > > There are many other differences, but that's beyond the scope of this > mess(age). > > > On Dec 5, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > > Gene, > > There are no clear winners in this muddy debate. Many have chosen to > > tailor make their music reproduction equipment so that they can > > color the end product in their own listening environ, to suit their > > own tastes. The whole goal in the beginning however, was to give as > > close to an original recording in your listening environ as was > > possible-we took the notion for granted that recording engineers > > were perfectionists, for the most part.. Granted, many recording > > engineers today are nowhere near as persnickety as a Kermit Gray or > > a Lee Hazen. It's a sad fact I guess, that rode in on the relative > > ease of using digital recording in live performances. > > > > And I don't see anything wrong if your reproduction equipment has > > the ability to go 'off center' as long as when you do have an > > excellent recording, you can bring it back to absolute neutrality. > > I'm sure you remember equalizers...they were huge once and found in > > the best of systems. But what happened was predictable-another > > 'colored' device in the chain of music reproduction. In most houses > > the temptation was to keep tweaking them and the result was that the > > end sound was nowhere near the good music source. > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > Gene Ess gene at jazzgenemusic.com > > Fri Dec 5 17:36:26 CET 2008 > > I have to disagree in that audio gear that reproduces the music > > exactly as > > it is on the source medium is the best way. > > > > 90 percent of commercial CDs, tapes, lps are so poorly recorded that > > you > > need something to improve it later in your listening environment. I > > am a > > musician and have recorded and performed with some very well known > > artists > > around the world. I have witnessed first hand how careless and non- > > detailed > > oriented many recording engineers can be. One of my albums was > > mastered by > > a Grammy winning engineer and it sounds horrible. If I had to > > listen back > > to the CD exactly as it is on the medium, I think I would really > > consider > > suing the guy. > > > > I also have absolute pitch and pitch control on some of my Nak decks > > are as > > important as the decks themselves. I was listening to a wonderful > > album by > > the great Andres Segovia and I was finally able to listen to the > > tracks in > > tune! On the LP and the > > CD, > > each track is way off tune. Matter of fact, > > there was not 1 track that was correct. > > > > Of course, Miles Davis "Kind of Blue" is famous for it being way > > off. Many > > great recorded jazz music is so bad sonically that I can't imagine not > > having some control in the listening gear. Balance, EQ, pitch > > control, and > > some coloration is welcome from my point of view. > > > > Gene > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 02:19:12 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:19:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 door will not eject In-Reply-To: <4940357A.6090306@webeasy.com> Message-ID: <111519.65540.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Try Willy Herman. Ram --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Michael Amster wrote: From: Michael Amster Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 door will not eject To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 4:32 PM I bought some belts from Fred M at Marrs to refurb my ZX-7 that has been sitting unused since I bought it about 3 years ago. I was able to replace the belts - more work than I counted on. However now that I have things together, the door will not eject. It seems to be "locked". I do not want to force anything, since it was working fine before my reassembly. If anyone knows what to check - it might be something very simple. I also wanted to get one circlip (c-clip - I mistakenly removed it and my attempt to re-attach it launched it into eternity). For the ZX-7 is the idler wheel press fit or does it have a pressed clip holding it in place? I ask because I did not see anything when I looked and removed the assembly to replace the rubber. I really do look forward to having this machine working. I am located in SoCal, so if I did mess up, are there local folks who have experience fixing the ZX-7? -MA ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 02:27:58 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:27:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Best sounding Naks In-Reply-To: <887DD71E-DFC0-4647-ACC2-82D9386B63F7@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <874912.72170.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Late Kermit, but apt. Ram --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Kermit Gray wrote: From: Kermit Gray Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Best sounding Naks To: shoeihell at yahoo.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 5:32 PM Hi Guys, Sorry for the late reply on this, I've been getting behind in emails recently. Asking "what's the best sound?" is like asking "what's the best food?" That's a matter of individual taste. I prefer the 1000ZXL my Nakamichi 600 and 600-II to all others, but it would not occur to me to criticize anyone for preferring the Dragon, the CR-anything, or the 680ZX. It's all just individual taste. As many of you know, I learned recording and audio in general during a five-year apprenticeship. Most of the training was to be able to learn to recognize different listener tastes, then make a recording or piece of equipment that appealed to that taste, even if your taste differed. That was difficult! Almost no project I did reflected my tastes, but over time I learned how to recognize and create "good sound" according to the preferences of others. One unexpected benefit of this was my listening taste expanded -- I learned to enjoy so many different kinds of sound, which means I had so many more opportunities to enjoy sound. Cool! When I first began, I preferred only the cleanest, clearest sounding equipment -- I'd go into a store, look at spec sheets, and exclude listening to anything that didn't have great specs. My first excellent cassette deck wasn't the Nakamichi 550 and 600-II that I bought in 1977 and 1978, but a Eumig. Why? It had better specs than Nakamichi 550 or 600/600-II -- so I bought it without even listening to a Nakamichi! So after I bought it, I had to use a Nakamichi 550 the studio owned and so had to chance to compare it to my Eumig. The 550 was so much better than the Eumig! This confused me as a beginner. How could that be? The 550's specs were worse! Fortunately, my training taught me early on that better specs doesn't always mean better sound, any my trainers used this situation as a good learning experience. I sold the Eumig, by the way. One experience in my apprenticeship stands out in my mind. During a country-western recording, the vocals were being recorded through an AKG C414. I preferred either ribbon mikes or the older AKG C12, but I put my mouth shut. Another of the apprentices said aloud after one take that anyone who preferred FET condensor mikes close-up for vocals had a tin ear and wasn't as "scientific" a listener as he was. The master engineer castigated the hapless apprentice in front of the entire crew, making the point that the apprentice's comment was merely his opinion, and was not a fact; that no one's opinion was better than anyone else's opinion, and that his attitude that his listening tastes were better than some else's was wrong, arrogant and ignorant. We never say that apprentice again -- he was fired right off the studio floor. I make the same points to my apprentices and students today. You are entitled to your listening tastes and audio philosophy, but at the end of the those things are merely your opinions. So, don’t state your opinions as if they are facts. Don’t label people. This habit contributes nothing to a discussion, and usually ends up destroying any meaningful discussion by causing it to descend into conflict. If nothing else, it makes the writer appear self-superior, arrogant, intolerant, biased, condescending or a combination of those bad traits. Interestingly, those who habitually label people in their writings often apply the most flattering labels to themselves only, while applying the unflattering or marginalizing labels to everyone else. Common labels used are “subjective,” “subjectivist,” “non-scientific”, “objectivist,” “objective” and so on. I teach my students and apprentices to understand that labeling is often an attempt discredit a person through the use of the label, and is a tactic often used by writers who cannot refute the actual facts another person presents. Their hope is that discrediting the person’s identity or character, you discredit what they say. This is a logical fallacy referred to as an “argument ad hominem.” Ironically, a writer’s use of an ad hominem actually discredits the writer immediately and succinctly, instead of discrediting the other person. On the topic of labeling, the label “audiophool” has become popular in Internet discussion forums. This tacky dysphemism belongs nowhere in the writings of anyone of substance. This word adds nothing to a discussion or an article. It’s merely an insult, and readers will respond to it as such. Fortunately, the person who uses the dysphemism “audiophool” is the one who actually is diminished -- far more than the person toward whom the insult is directed. An interesting trend has been occurring, though, as some persons are taking the term “audiophool” and redefining it to mean a person who is avidly interested in audio equipment. Bravo to those individuals! Nevertheless, in most contexts, “audiophool” is merely an insult and should be excised from quality writing. I teach my students that they should ignore the writings of anyone who uses the term "audiophool." You know, in all reality, it amazes me that some people think that being "subjective" is somehow lesser, and that subjectivity is an appropriate insult for someone else's views. Hey, like everything else that deals with the human senses, audio (which is affected by the sense of hearing) is inherently subjective. So what? this is a non-issue, so don't get sucked into falling for the myth that being subjective somehow introduces errors or misjudgments. *.*.*.*.* I had a good (well-meaning) laugh at Gene's comment, "90 percent of commercial CDs, tapes, LPs are so poorly recorded that you need something to improve it later in your listening environment." Gene is indeed an outstanding musician, and because I also have perfect pitch, I relate to his frustration! I decided to "be on the other end of the mike" and become a recording engineer, not a musician, but most of my friends are musicians. We were saying the same things in the 1970s about LPs, 45s, 8-tracks, cassettes and broadcasts. That's why the "better equipped" stereo of the day had an EQ (Pioneer, SAE, White and many others), a dynamic range expander (dbx 3BX anyone?), a reverb unit (Pioneer, Fisher and Sansui units being the most popular) and a pop-and-tick eliminator (SAE 5000A or Burwen/KLH units). Economics in the studio often had to trump technical expertise, but there were still bright spots of great sound: direct-to-disc labels like Crystal Clear and Nautilus, "Mo-Fi" remasters, Telarc's amazing SoundStream digitally-mastered LPs, The Musical Heritage Society LPs, Barclay-Crocker tapes, and anything Pink Floyd released -- remember how many hi-fi salons used The Wall and Dark Side of the moon to demo their high end speakers and turntables? Yet most recordings, then as now, were regarded as dreck, especially recalling the "recycled vinyl" scandals of the mid-1970s. Interestingly, the most-common complaint was over-compression because of the "loudness wars" -- hence the desire for dynamic range expanders, even cheapies like Pioneer's mediocre RG-1. Even then, critics described most records as being over-processed. It's the same today, most recordings are over-processed. Why? Economic realities. The recording engineer has to face a dilemma: make the album sound good on low-quality equipment (pocket AM radio, cheap cassette player, $10-per-pair PC speakers, BSR turntable with crystal cartridge won on eBay, or iPod Sniffle) - or - make it sound great on high-quality equipment (Nakamichi 600, Revox A77, Graham turntable, MBL Radialstrahler or KVG Labs speakers) -- while meeting a budget and short deadlines. It IS possible to satisfy listeners owning both excellent and inferior stereos, but it takes time, meticulous planning, many years of experience, uncompromising technique and extremely fine recording equipment. That describes an expensive recording project! So, it's much easier to park a mike in front of the instrument, record into Protools, and "fix it in the mix" using Protools nonlinear editor, waveform redraw tool, and every one of the 1001 "plugins" the engineer downloaded off the Internet. But that highlights what I think is the biggest difference between today's engineers and those of my era: like the others who went through similar apprenticeships to that I served, we were taught you can't "fix it in the mix" -- that's the excuse offered by sloppy engineers. Today, that's exactly what is expected -- record quick-n-easy, the fix it in the mix! There are many other differences, but that's beyond the scope of this mess(age). On Dec 5, 2008, at 8:06 PM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Gene, > There are no clear winners in this muddy debate. Many have chosen to tailor make their music reproduction equipment so that they can color the end product in their own listening environ, to suit their own tastes. The whole goal in the beginning however, was to give as close to an original recording in your listening environ as was possible-we took the notion for granted that recording engineers were perfectionists, for the most part.. Granted, many recording engineers today are nowhere near as persnickety as a Kermit Gray or a Lee Hazen. It's a sad fact I guess, that rode in on the relative ease of using digital recording in live performances. > > And I don't see anything wrong if your reproduction equipment has the ability to go 'off center' as long as when you do have an excellent recording, you can bring it back to absolute neutrality. I'm sure you remember equalizers...they were huge once and found in the best of systems. But what happened was predictable-another 'colored' device in the chain of music reproduction. In most houses the temptation was to keep tweaking them and the result was that the end sound was nowhere near the good music source. > > Kevin > > > > > > Gene Ess gene at jazzgenemusic.com > Fri Dec 5 17:36:26 CET 2008 > I have to disagree in that audio gear that reproduces the music exactly as > it is on the source medium is the best way. > > 90 percent of commercial CDs, tapes, lps are so poorly recorded that you > need something to improve it later in your listening environment. I am a > musician and have recorded and performed with some very well known artists > around the world. I have witnessed first hand how careless and non-detailed > oriented many recording engineers can be. One of my albums was mastered by > a Grammy winning engineer and it sounds horrible. If I had to listen back > to the CD exactly as it is on the medium, I think I would really consider > suing the guy. > > I also have absolute pitch and pitch control on some of my Nak decks are as > important as the decks themselves. I was listening to a wonderful album by > the great Andres Segovia and I was finally able to listen to the tracks in > tune! On the LP and the > CD, > each track is way off tune. Matter of fact, > there was not 1 track that was correct. > > Of course, Miles Davis "Kind of Blue" is famous for it being way off. Many > great recorded jazz music is so bad sonically that I can't imagine not > having some control in the listening gear. Balance, EQ, pitch control, and > some coloration is welcome from my point of view. > > Gene > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 03:51:10 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:51:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion In-Reply-To: <4956835.1228923014160.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <611497.30127.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, It's that good sound which keeps us listening to obsolete formats and resurrecting machines that would otherwise have been scrapped. All this in an era when digital formats that produce spectacular specifications exist. While theory and engineering are good for discussion and academia, what I was talking about was what has been done with the Nak and the best possible way forward for it. I am not here to win or to say I am right and beat everyone down. I respect Ron and others for their views and opinions. Rgds, Bala Tom Brucker wrote: body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;} Ron, Bala, and all, There is the concept of the "ideal" opamp which Ron embraces. There is the "real world" opamp, which Bala embraces. Both are useful fodder for discussion, but neither will win! Remeber that specs do not tell the story, nor do A/B listening tests. Some audio components are prized for their additive or subtractive distortions. I keep my sanity by focusing more on good sound and less on the absolute power of engineering! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Ron Sent: Dec 10, 2008 8:43 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion That, again, is inaccurate. Let's take a look at a representative amp circuit. The negative input series and feedback resistors set the gain. You certainly do not want to change these. The positive input resistor is there to equalize offset current -- since the other resistors are not changed, this one shouldn't be changed, either (though, due to lowered offset current in the modern op-amp, it's value may be is less critical). There are no compensation components, as they are all internal to the IC. What else is there to change? You also say, "The circuit was designed to take maximum advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input and output sections."Huh??? what, exactly, did they do to 'optimize' the circuit? Don't forget, the new op-amp has lower noise, higher input impedance, lower output impedance, lower offset voltage and current. better supply rejection etc.. This makes it closer to the ideal op-amp model.. Would you name even one component that needs to change? -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Bill, I think you have got it right there. The circuit was designed to take maximum advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input and output sections. The circuit was also optimized for very low noise. While plugging any modern pin-compatible op-amp will work, you would not get the ideal performance unless the related components are re-examined. Rgds, Bala The Greenleaf's wrote: Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When replacing older generation op amps there are several things to consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron . I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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The 4559 has more gain and has better noise specs. Modern devices are better by many miles, but employiing them in the circuit requires proper care in order to derive maximum benefit and performance. Rgds, Bala BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: HI Bala, I did use the OP 27 op amp in place of the RC 4559 in the OSC board in the 700ZXE BEFORE! I READ YOUR EMAIL , the result was that although the deck sounded great in Playback the 400 Hz tone generator would not work! i.e.no 400 Hz tone . There are two op amps in this board, one is the RC 4558 and the other is the RC 4559. Since I did not have the RC 4558 I installed the RC 4559 in it place and replaced the old RC 4559 with a new RC 4559 the result was spectacular! Also there is an RC 4560 op amps in this deck on the main pcb what is the difference between these 3 op amps? can they be interchanged ?! Can I use the RC 4559 op amp to replace RC 4558 & RC 4560 in the 700ZXE deck and the 1000ZXL? since you mentioned that RC 4559 op amp is a high quality one, I have many RC 4559 on hand. Please let me know! Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 12/10/2008 3:32:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Hi, I don't intend to open a can of worms here, But changing of op-amps - been there and done that. Changing op-amps will not render the circuit in-operable but would not deliver the same performance. It's your deck. Nit mine :) Rgds, Bala Ron wrote: Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron . I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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So, what we are looking at is not something that quite rolled of an assembly line, but a built version. This is so much like the higher-end Mercedes Benzes which do not roll off the production line, but are hand built from scratch by a dedicated team. It would be hard to take a standard deck and turn it into a Limited because of the details. The devil, is always in the details Wouter.. Rgds. Bala Wouter Heijke wrote: Hi Bala, Those differences are interesting, specially if you can put your finger on them and apply to a regular 1000ZXL.. Yes, found Goto's post with my naktalk-search-in-development here on my laptop ;-) Wouter > Hi Wouter, > > I remember mentioning that the Limited heads go up to 50kHz, but these > were drawn from Hideo Goto's comments you have posted below. > > Last year, when I compared a standard ZXL and Limited ZXL's playback > card on a standard ZXL, the results were impressive! The Limited's > playback card has an extremly low noise floor and fantastic dynamic > response. Overall response bandwidth was also much more better for the > Limited's card. > > I am not too sure that we can pin-point the gold or the components or > anthing being in particular that gives the Limited a better sound. But > it's everything that comes together. There are more differences to both > decks then the available literature states. The grounding for the tape > heas and trasport, for example, are also improved compared to the > Standard ZXL. The devil, as they say, is in the details. And when so > many details come together, the resulting difference can be noticable. > > Rgds, > Bala > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > You're right... > >> I vaguely recall a few months back someone posted a quote from a Nak >> design >> tech that said the Limited had a play head that could output up to 50 or >> 60 >> kHz. Or did I imagine that? > > from a naktalk message way back in 2000 where Nak engineer Hideo Goto > answers some questions: > >> 1000ZXL-limited, it was not big changes from 1000ZXL for the actual > sound quality. >> However the playback head was selected out! >> The official spec was not changed because a filter circuit has cut the > high frequency. >> PB head can play back up to 40, 50kHz! >> That is an advantage. > > Wouter > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Thu Dec 11 09:59:11 2008 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:59:11 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion In-Reply-To: <6CD38C538B9047A59C639B6CED04E180@wtgd24g> References: <510873.11668.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com><493EEDE6.70900@verizon.net><493FCF11.7070902@verizon.net> <6CD38C538B9047A59C639B6CED04E180@wtgd24g> Message-ID: <3D6EFB9DE9AB47E8871FB11DF3EC4185@EmilysPC> Forgive my ignorance but, what is this" Inherent pole/phantom pole" you refer to? Terry _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of The Greenleaf's Sent: 11 December 2008 00:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion Ron & Bala, Seeing your responses maybe I'll elaborate on my comments. I work with avionics and we have had several cases where we needed to replace obsolete op amps in either audio or control loop applications. When we used the newer op amps, including those with FET input stages we found that the circuits did not perform as well as the original circuits until we added components to recreate the inherent pole included in the original op amp due to the restricted gain bandwidth product. Ron, you certainly could make the case that this is related to the original designer overlooking a key characteristic of the design process but I would suspect that most designs of that era (early 70's to late 80's) could potentially exhibit similar behaviors. I agree that the surrounding components should be fine as is but it is the phantom pole in the original op amp that may need to be compensated with the newer op amp. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion No argument, Bill, except to point out that newer op-amps (while indeed of wider bandwidth and higher slew rate), incorporate internal compensation and tend to have better stability than vintage designs. This is especially true for op-amps intended specifically for audio work, such as the OP-275 under discussion. I agree that one should be reasonably careful. It does make sense to look at and compare such things as output impedance, drive capability, even supply current requirements, etc. However, I sincerely doubt that replacing a 1449 with a modern audio specific FET input op-amp will not improve performance (though probably, not audibly). Several years ago I conducted an informal listening test, comparing a high quality track played straight though the system, vs. same track, but with a CR-7. monitoring loop, with its myriad of op-amps, inserted in the path (no recording, just source monitoring). None of the listeners could tell the difference. This leads me to believe that improving the op-amps will not making a audible difference. BTW, I know Stephen Sank (and others -- were enamoured of the OP275. Personally, I prefer the OPA2134. A bit cheaper than the OP275, it's a pin for pin replacement for the 1449. As used in line stage and phono stage circuits, it sounded great, assuming one enjoys very pure, analytical presentation. -- Ron The Greenleaf's wrote: Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When replacing older generation op amps there are several things to consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron . I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Dec 11 17:37:03 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:37:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion In-Reply-To: <6CD38C538B9047A59C639B6CED04E180@wtgd24g> References: <510873.11668.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com><493EEDE6.70900@verizon.net> <493FCF11.7070902@verizon.net> <6CD38C538B9047A59C639B6CED04E180@wtgd24g> Message-ID: <494141AF.1020706@verizon.net> Bill, no doubt this can happen. However, I have yet to see it in straightforward audio amplification applications. One must assume that the original circuit designers did a creditable job (as, I am sure, did Nak engineers). For example, if circuit layout uses stray PCB capacitances -- all bets are off. I have seen such gimmicks, but not too often and not in PB amps. -- Ron The Greenleaf's wrote: > Ron & Bala, > Seeing your responses maybe I'll elaborate on my comments. I work > with avionics and we have had several cases where we needed to replace > obsolete op amps in either audio or control loop applications. When > we used the newer op amps, including those with FET input stages we > found that the circuits did not perform as well as the original > circuits until we added components to recreate the inherent pole > included in the original op amp due to the restricted gain bandwidth > product. Ron, you certainly could make the case that this is related > to the original designer overlooking a key characteristic of the > design process but I would suspect that most designs of that era > (early 70's to late 80's) could potentially exhibit similar > behaviors. I agree that the surrounding components should be fine as > is but it is the phantom pole in the original op amp that may need to > be compensated with the newer op amp. > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ron > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:15 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion > > > No argument, Bill, except to point out that newer op-amps (while > indeed of wider bandwidth and higher slew rate), incorporate internal > compensation and tend to have better stability than vintage designs. > This is especially true for op-amps intended specifically for audio > work, such as the OP-275 under discussion. > > I agree that one should be reasonably careful. It does make sense > to look at and compare such things as output impedance, drive > capability, even supply current requirements, etc. However, I > sincerely doubt that replacing a 1449 with a modern audio specific > FET input op-amp will not improve performance (though probably, > not audibly). > > Several years ago I conducted an informal listening test, > comparing a high quality track played straight though the > system, vs. same track, but with a CR-7. monitoring loop, > with its myriad of op-amps, inserted in the path (no > recording, just source monitoring). None of the listeners > could tell the difference. This leads me to believe that > improving the op-amps will not making a audible difference. > > BTW, I know Stephen Sank (and others -- were > enamoured of the OP275. Personally, I prefer the > OPA2134. A bit cheaper than the OP275, it's a pin for > pin replacement for the 1449. As used in line stage and > phono stage circuits, it sounded great, assuming one > enjoys very pure, analytical presentation. > > -- Ron > > > > > The Greenleaf's wrote: >> Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When >> replacing older generation op amps there are several things to >> consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" >> don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. >> However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers >> properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the >> op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher >> gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with >> the op amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious >> solution is to carefully examine any circuit in which part >> substitutions are taking place. Careful substitutions can work >> wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. >> >> Bill >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Ron >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the >> Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> Hi Ali, >>> >>> The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 >>> op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit >>> has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 >>> would totally change the circuit unless component values are >>> worked out again >> >> That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs >> (are you sure it's not OP27*5*? The OP27 is not pin >> compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but >> the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another >> type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. >> You *will* have to evaluate specs for stability and AC >> characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component >> values. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >>> . >>> >>> I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to >>> changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that >>> is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and >>> sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps >>> in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and >>> transient response is preserved. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Bala >>> >>> */boeing747600 at aol.com/* wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt >>> agree more with your email . I just got my pp and >>> electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great >>> folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in >>> place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this >>> is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his >>> email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to >>> replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very >>> excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It >>> boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the >>> service manual. Thanks! Ali >>> >>> >>> .....Read on. >>> >>> >>> Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. >>> IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical >>> to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the >>> gold plating of various parts -- including the front >>> panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such >>> as heads. >>> >>> I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance >>> (including long term). As to part selection, it depends >>> on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi >>> tended to use good quality components, this is also >>> a rather moot point. >>> >>> Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may >>> sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability >>> this is a function of the specific decks. Some other >>> 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or >>> the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs >>> may sound different, depending on condition, age, >>> amount of previous use, etc., etc.. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Willy Hermann Services wrote: >>>> Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. >>>> I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, >>>> but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is >>>>> In. the Cmparison is DOne. And >>>> the Winner is..........Read on. >>>>> --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the >>>>> two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to >>>>> the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was >>>>> playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD >>>>> played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the >>>>> Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. 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URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Dec 11 17:36:21 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:36:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion In-Reply-To: <4956835.1228923014160.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <4956835.1228923014160.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <49414185.8060202@verizon.net> Not exactly, Tom. The ideal op-amp model is the basis for any design with op-amps. Those that do not understand it cannot understand op-amp circuits, it's that simple. This has nothing to do with *embracing* a concept , it's about *understanding* it. Once an op-amp circuit is designed, the engineer may need to account for discrepancies of the actual op-amp vs. the non-existent ideal. This is what the specific op-amp specs are for. Fortunately, even first generation op-amps were close enough to the ideal model, so this was only required for specific critical applications. Run of the mill audio amplification was never one of those. The bottom line of all this is that -- unlike what Bala imagines -- there was no specific optimization for 1449 ICs in Nak PB amps. You can drop any op-amp \with at least the same specs into the circuit and get the same (possibly, measurably better) performance. Yes, to be rigorous one should look at the specs, just to make sure, but in practice this is hardly necessary. For example, modern op-amps tend to have a higher slew rate. This is goodness, but one may want to verify that the new op-amp will be stable -- the specs and/or applications notes will tell you that. IME, no component changes were ever necessary Replacing 1449s (2V/uS) with an OPA2134s (20V/uS) caused no instability problems whatsoever, due to the latter chip better internal compensation (but, of course, the higher slew rate resulted in improvement of transient intemodulation distortion). This is why I asked Bala what component, exactly, he felt should be changed. Phew... This came out longer than expected... Sorry... -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > > Ron, Bala, and all, > > There is the concept of the "ideal" opamp which Ron embraces. There > is the "real world" opamp, which Bala embraces. Both are useful > fodder for discussion, but neither will win! Remeber that specs do > not tell the story, nor do A/B listening tests. Some audio components > are prized for their additive or subtractive distortions. I keep my > sanity by focusing more on good sound and less on the absolute power > of engineering! > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > Sent: Dec 10, 2008 8:43 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion > > > That, again, is inaccurate. > > Let's take a look at a representative amp circuit. The negative > input series and feedback resistors set the gain. You certainly > do not want to change these. The positive input resistor is there > to equalize offset current -- since the other resistors are not > changed, this one shouldn't be changed, either (though, due to > lowered offset current in the modern op-amp, it's value may be > is less critical). There are no compensation components, as they > are all internal to the IC. What else is there to change? > > You also say, "The circuit was designed to take maximum > advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input and output > sections."Huh??? what, exactly, did they do to 'optimize' the > circuit? > > Don't forget, the new op-amp has lower noise, higher input > impedance, lower output impedance, lower offset voltage and > current. better supply rejection etc.. This makes it closer to the > ideal op-amp model.. Would you name even one component > that needs to change? > > -- Ron > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Hi Bill, >> >> I think you have got it right there. The circuit was designed to >> take maximum advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input >> and output sections. The circuit was also optimized for very low >> noise. While plugging any modern pin-compatible op-amp will work, >> you would not get the ideal performance unless the related >> components are re-examined. >> >> Rgds, >> Bala >> >> */The Greenleaf's /* wrote: >> >> Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. >> When replacing older generation op amps there are several >> things to consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you >> "normally" don't need to re-examine component values in the >> circuits. However, the stickler is whether the original >> circuit designers properly accounted for the inherent >> stability breakpoints of the op amp itself. The newer op >> amps have significantly higher gain-bandwidth that cause >> stability issues, not necessarily with the op amp itself but >> the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is to >> carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are >> taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in >> keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. >> >> Bill >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Ron >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the >> Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> Hi Ali, >>> >>> The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 >>> op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp >>> circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in >>> the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless >>> component values are worked out again >> >> That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs >> (are you sure it's not OP27*5*? The OP27 is not pin >> compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but >> the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another >> type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the >> circuit'. >> You *will* have to evaluate specs for stability and AC >> characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' >> component >> values. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >>> . >>> >>> I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to >>> changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp >>> that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open >>> and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on >>> the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains >>> low and transient response is preserved. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Bala >>> >>> */boeing747600 at aol.com/* wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i >>> couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my >>> pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi >>> Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation >>> amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap >>> quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis >>> who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I >>> am just now getting time to replace the caps after >>> such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it >>> should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd >>> revision ones mentioned in the service manual. >>> Thanks! Ali >>> >>> >>> .....Read on. >>> >>> >>> Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. >>> IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical >>> to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the >>> gold plating of various parts -- including the front >>> panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such >>> as heads. >>> >>> I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance >>> (including long term). As to part selection, it depends >>> on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi >>> tended to use good quality components, this is also >>> a rather moot point. >>> >>> Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may >>> sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all >>> probability >>> this is a function of the specific decks. Some other >>> 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or >>> the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs >>> may sound different, depending on condition, age, >>> amount of previous use, etc., etc.. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Willy Hermann Services wrote: >>>> Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and >>>> didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: >>>> The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And >>>> the Winner is..........Read on. >>>>> --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the >>>>> Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with >>>>> this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape >>>>> recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this >>>>> was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of >>>>> transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. 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URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Dec 11 17:40:54 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:40:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion In-Reply-To: <3D6EFB9DE9AB47E8871FB11DF3EC4185@EmilysPC> References: <510873.11668.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com><493EEDE6.70900@verizon.net><493FCF11.7070902@verizon.net> <6CD38C538B9047A59C639B6CED04E180@wtgd24g> <3D6EFB9DE9AB47E8871FB11DF3EC4185@EmilysPC> Message-ID: <49414296.10502@verizon.net> In a nut shell... In general, behaviour of any circuit is always frequency dependent. That's because every circuit includes reactances (capacitances and/or inductances) -- some, intentionally (as components) and some, unwanted, (as 'stray'). The combination of each reactance and resistance pair causes frequency dependence (IOW, a filter). The filtering behavior is defined by 'poles' and 'zeros'. Each pole or zero is the result of one or more reactance plus resistance pair(s) and defines the filtering characteristic of that particular combination(s). A circuit's behavior can be characterized by a mathematical expression known as 'transfer function'. The transfer function defines all the poles and zeros in the circuit and, therefore, its overall behavior. So, while poles and zeros represent physical properties, they may also be viewed as mathematical tools (without which no rigorous circuit design is possible). Now, Bill's response referred to a pole that exists in any op-amp. (It exists not due to the limited gain-bandwidth product, but, rather, causes it.) Due to the very high input resistance, that pole may be significant with higher frequency inputs. I can't recall this as an issue in audio amplification, but can easily see the problem in instrumentation applications. (Yes, Bill, I know the above is a serious over simplification.) -- Ron Terry Finn wrote: > > Forgive my ignorance but, what is this" Inherent pole/phantom pole" > you refer to? > > > > Terry > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *The Greenleaf's > *Sent:* 11 December 2008 00:20 > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion > > > > Ron & Bala, > > Seeing your responses maybe I'll elaborate on my comments. I work > with avionics and we have had several cases where we needed to replace > obsolete op amps in either audio or control loop applications. When > we used the newer op amps, including those with FET input stages we > found that the circuits did not perform as well as the original > circuits until we added components to recreate the inherent pole > included in the original op amp due to the restricted gain bandwidth > product. Ron, you certainly could make the case that this is related > to the original designer overlooking a key characteristic of the > design process but I would suspect that most designs of that era > (early 70's to late 80's) could potentially exhibit similar > behaviors. I agree that the surrounding components should be fine as > is but it is the phantom pole in the original op amp that may need to > be compensated with the newer op amp. > > > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Ron > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:15 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion > > > > > No argument, Bill, except to point out that newer op-amps (while > indeed of wider bandwidth and higher slew rate), incorporate internal > compensation and tend to have better stability than vintage designs. > This is especially true for op-amps intended specifically for audio > work, such as the OP-275 under discussion. > > I agree that one should be reasonably careful. It does make sense > to look at and compare such things as output impedance, drive > capability, even supply current requirements, etc. However, I > sincerely doubt that replacing a 1449 with a modern audio specific > FET input op-amp will not improve performance (though probably, > not audibly). > > Several years ago I conducted an informal listening test, > comparing a high quality track played straight though the > system, vs. same track, but with a CR-7. monitoring loop, > with its myriad of op-amps, inserted in the path (no > recording, just source monitoring). None of the listeners > could tell the difference. This leads me to believe that > improving the op-amps will not making a audible difference. > > BTW, I know Stephen Sank (and others -- were > enamoured of the OP275. Personally, I prefer the > OPA2134. A bit cheaper than the OP275, it's a pin for > pin replacement for the 1449. As used in line stage and > phono stage circuits, it sounded great, assuming one > enjoys very pure, analytical presentation. > > -- Ron > > > > > The Greenleaf's wrote: > > Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When > replacing older generation op amps there are several things to > consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" > don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. > However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers > properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the > op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher > gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with > the op amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious > solution is to carefully examine any circuit in which part > substitutions are taking place. Careful substitutions can work > wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. > > > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Ron > > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the > Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. > > > > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Ali, > > > > The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp > here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been > designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally > change the circuit unless component values are worked out again > > > That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs > (are you sure it's not OP27*5*? The OP27 is not pin > compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but > the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another > type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. > You *will* have to evaluate specs for stability and AC > characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component > values. > > -- Ron > > > > . > > > > I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to > changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is > also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet > sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in > order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient > response is preserved. > > > > Regards, > > Bala > > */boeing747600 at aol.com /* wrote: > > Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt > agree more with your email . I just got my pp and > electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great > folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in > place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this > is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his > email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to > replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very > excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards > are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. > Thanks! Ali > > > .....Read on. > > > Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. > IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical > to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the > gold plating of various parts -- including the front > panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such > as heads. > > I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance > (including long term). As to part selection, it depends > on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi > tended to use good quality components, this is also > a rather moot point. > > Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may > sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability > this is a function of the specific decks. Some other > 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or > the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs > may sound different, depending on condition, age, > amount of previous use, etc., etc.. > > -- Ron > > > > > Willy Hermann Services wrote: > > Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. > > I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, > > but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- > >> From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is >> In. the Cmparison is DOne. And > the Winner is..........Read on. > >> --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com , "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the >> two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test >> 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to >> the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better.& >> nbsp; 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was >> playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. >> I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD >> played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. >> I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the >> Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. 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URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Dec 11 23:02:01 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:02:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion In-Reply-To: <3D6EFB9DE9AB47E8871FB11DF3EC4185@EmilysPC> References: <510873.11668.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com><493EEDE6.70900@verizon.net><493FCF11.7070902@verizon.net> <6CD38C538B9047A59C639B6CED04E180@wtgd24g> <3D6EFB9DE9AB47E8871FB11DF3EC4185@EmilysPC> Message-ID: <9A896877-93BF-4584-963B-9B094ABB175F@kvglabs.com> Hi Terry, In very simple terms, the pole is the frequency at which the high-end response of the opamp falls off (the "corner frequency"). In most circuits, this is caused by the inherent capacitance of the opamp itself interacting with the feedback resistor, creating, in effect, a low-pass filter (like a treble cut filter, if you will). When upgrading to a "better" opamp, you'll usually encounter the new opamp has lower capacitance (a.k.a. Miller capacitance, named for the number of beers you drink while solving the problems it causes); therefore the frequency created (the pole) shifts to a different [corner] frequency (often a higher frequency). This can cause instability (different phase response, ringing, oscillation, &c.) in a circuit that was previously stable. The typical fix is to change the compensation capacitor often wired in parallel with the feedback resistor, the value of feedback resistor itself, or both. Certain opamps have specific circuit requirements for stability, spelled out in their data sheets, changing those circuit elements is the fix when those opamps are substituted. An OP27 has far lower capacitance than a 4559, so this sort of compensation for the difference is almost assured. The opamps used in avionics operate at far higher frequencies than do opamps used in an audio device, so the problems caused by "the pole" (the corner frequency) are even more acute. By the way, the same thing occurs with discrete circuits that feature inverse feedback (negative feedback) elements, whether solid-state or valve/tube. Look closely at better-designed circuits and you'll see the compensation for Miller capacitance and the inherent pole caused by it and interaction with the feedback resistor. This is why spec sheets for valve state "inter-electrode capacitances" and for transistors state Miller capacitance -- you need the information to compensate the circuit's pole correctly. On Dec 11, 2008, at 2:59 AM, Terry Finn wrote: > Forgive my ignorance but, what is this” Inherent pole/phantom pole” > you refer to? > > Terry > > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of The Greenleaf's > Sent: 11 December 2008 00:20 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion > > Ron & Bala, > Seeing your responses maybe I'll elaborate on my comments. I work > with avionics and we have had several cases where we needed to > replace obsolete op amps in either audio or control loop > applications. When we used the newer op amps, including those with > FET input stages we found that the circuits did not perform as well > as the original circuits until we added components to recreate the > inherent pole included in the original op amp due to the restricted > gain bandwidth product. Ron, you certainly could make the case that > this is related to the original designer overlooking a key > characteristic of the design process but I would suspect that most > designs of that era (early 70's to late 80's) could potentially > exhibit similar behaviors. I agree that the surrounding components > should be fine as is but it is the phantom pole in the original op > amp that may need to be compensated with the newer op amp. > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Dec 11 23:29:45 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:29:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910812091727kea07afftd2c33c4e27e5ba47@mail.gmail.com> References: <17d5ee910812091727kea07afftd2c33c4e27e5ba47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Antoine, A FLAC file of either tone is about 1.3 Megabytes file size. Sorry for the delayed response, I had to go find a FLAC encoder for my Mac. I got FLACer. Seems a good package. On Dec 9, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hello Kermit, > > What kind of filesize would FLAC give you? > > Cheers, > Antoine > > 2008/12/9 Kermit Gray : >> Hello All, >> >> I've posted both a 3,000 cps and 2m960 cps sine wave tones to my >> web site >> for your convenience. >> >> http://www.kvglabs.com/mp3/3000hz.mp3 -- 30-second long tone, MP3 >> format: >> 3,000 cps >> >> http://www.kvglabs.com/mp3/2960hz.mp3 -- 30 second long tone, MP3 >> format: >> 2,960 cps >> >> >> I have CD-resolution AIFF versions of the same tones for anyone who >> wants to >> make a tone CD. I'd be glad to email the files to anyone who asks. >> Contact >> me off-list. (File size is about 2.5 megabytes). >> -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Dec 11 23:08:40 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:08:40 EST Subject: [naktalk] RC449, 4558 AND 4560 OP AMPS IN NAKAMICHI 700ZXE AND 1000ZXL Message-ID: Hi Ron , The op amps in the 700ZXE and the 1000ZXL are marked RC 4559 , RC4558 and RC 4560 you mentioned 1449 I didn't see any op amp in these two machines with the number, maybe I am missing something?! Also since you seem very knowledgeable maybe you can shed some light as to why?! nakamichi has placed the RC4558 in someplaces and RC 4559 and RC 4650 in other location there must be reason for doing so. I asked Bala the same question maybe you might be knowing the difference among the these 3 op amps mentioned above. I have a batch of each of the above amp and I was thinking of replacing the RC 4560 and the RC 4558 with only the RC 4559 which Bala mentions has better performance. Thanks for your kind help in trying to understand these op amps. With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 12/11/2008 12:11:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ra.ah at verizon.net writes: Not exactly, Tom. The ideal op-amp model is the basis for any design with op-amps. Those that do not understand it cannot understand op-amp circuits, it's that simple. This has nothing to do with embracing a concept , it's about understanding it. Once an op-amp circuit is designed, the engineer may need to account for discrepancies of the actual op-amp vs. the non-existent ideal. This is what the specific op-amp specs are for. Fortunately, even first generation op-amps were close enough to the ideal model, so this was only required for specific critical applications. Run of the mill audio amplification was never one of those. The bottom line of all this is that -- unlike what Bala imagines -- there was no specific optimization for 1449 ICs in Nak PB amps. You can drop any op-amp \with at least the same specs into the circuit and get the same (possibly, measurably better) performance. Yes, to be rigorous one should look at the specs, just to make sure, but in practice this is hardly necessary. For example, modern op-amps tend to have a higher slew rate. This is goodness, but one may want to verify that the new op-amp will be stable -- the specs and/or applications notes will tell you that. IME, no component changes were ever necessary Replacing 1449s (2V/uS) with an OPA2134s (20V/uS) caused no instability problems whatsoever, due to the latter chip better internal compensation (but, of course, the higher slew rate resulted in improvement of transient intemodulation distortion). This is why I asked Bala what component, exactly, he felt should be changed. Phew... This came out longer than expected... Sorry... -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: Ron, Bala, and all, There is the concept of the "ideal" opamp which Ron embraces. There is the "real world" opamp, which Bala embraces. Both are useful fodder for discussion, but neither will win! Remeber that specs do not tell the story, nor do A/B listening tests. Some audio components are prized for their additive or subtractive distortions. I keep my sanity by focusing more on good sound and less on the absolute power of engineering! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Ron Sent: Dec 10, 2008 8:43 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion That, again, is inaccurate. Let's take a look at a representative amp circuit. The negative input series and feedback resistors set the gain. You certainly do not want to change these. The positive input resistor is there to equalize offset current -- since the other resistors are not changed, this one shouldn't be changed, either (though, due to lowered offset current in the modern op-amp, it's value may be is less critical). There are no compensation components, as they are all internal to the IC. What else is there to change? You also say, "The circuit was designed to take maximum advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input and output sections."Huh??? what, exactly, did they do to 'optimize' the circuit? Don't forget, the new op-amp has lower noise, higher input impedance, lower output impedance, lower offset voltage and current. better supply rejection etc.. This makes it closer to the ideal op-amp model.. Would you name even one component that needs to change? -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Bill, I think you have got it right there. The circuit was designed to take maximum advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input and output sections. The circuit was also optimized for very low noise. While plugging any modern pin-compatible op-amp will work, you would not get the ideal performance unless the related components are re-examined. Rgds, Bala The Greenleaf's __ (mailto:pgreenleaf at cfl.rr.com) wrote: Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When replacing older generation op amps there are several things to consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: _Ron_ (mailto:ra.ah at verizon.net) To: _Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron . I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala _boeing747600 at aol.com_ (mailto:boeing747600 at aol.com) wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: _naktalk-bounces at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com) [_mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com) ] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; _naktalk at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 __ (mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com) Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: _naktalk at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In _1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com) , "shantiram2000" __ (mailto:shantiram2000 at ...) wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Dec 11 23:57:22 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:57:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes In-Reply-To: References: <17d5ee910812091727kea07afftd2c33c4e27e5ba47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1577844796-1229036263-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1881646980-@bxe011.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Without a doubt, the best multiencoder for the mac is XLD. Best rgds, LP -----Original Message----- From: Kermit Gray Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:29:45 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] test cassettes Hi Antoine, A FLAC file of either tone is about 1.3 Megabytes file size. Sorry for the delayed response, I had to go find a FLAC encoder for my Mac. I got FLACer. Seems a good package. On Dec 9, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hello Kermit, > > What kind of filesize would FLAC give you? > > Cheers, > Antoine > > 2008/12/9 Kermit Gray : >> Hello All, >> >> I've posted both a 3,000 cps and 2m960 cps sine wave tones to my >> web site >> for your convenience. >> >> http://www.kvglabs.com/mp3/3000hz.mp3 -- 30-second long tone, MP3 >> format: >> 3,000 cps >> >> http://www.kvglabs.com/mp3/2960hz.mp3 -- 30 second long tone, MP3 >> format: >> 2,960 cps >> >> >> I have CD-resolution AIFF versions of the same tones for anyone who >> wants to >> make a tone CD. I'd be glad to email the files to anyone who asks. >> Contact >> me off-list. (File size is about 2.5 megabytes). >> -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Dec 12 00:12:47 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:12:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes In-Reply-To: <1577844796-1229036263-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1881646980-@bxe011.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <17d5ee910812091727kea07afftd2c33c4e27e5ba47@mail.gmail.com> <1577844796-1229036263-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1881646980-@bxe011.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Thanks, Luis! I just downloaded it and installed it! Far better than what I had been using! On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Without a doubt, the best multiencoder for the mac is XLD. > > Best rgds, LP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit Gray > > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:29:45 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] test cassettes > > > Hi Antoine, > > A FLAC file of either tone is about 1.3 Megabytes file size. > > Sorry for the delayed response, I had to go find a FLAC encoder for my > Mac. I got FLACer. Seems a good package. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Dec 12 00:17:19 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:17:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes In-Reply-To: <1577844796-1229036263-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1881646980-@bxe011.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <17d5ee910812091727kea07afftd2c33c4e27e5ba47@mail.gmail.com> <1577844796-1229036263-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1881646980-@bxe011.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Wow ... A FLAC made of the tones using XLD is only 980 Kilobytes in size. Excellent! On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Without a doubt, the best multiencoder for the mac is XLD. > > Best rgds, LP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit Gray > > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:29:45 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] test cassettes > > > Hi Antoine, > > A FLAC file of either tone is about 1.3 Megabytes file size. > > Sorry for the delayed response, I had to go find a FLAC encoder for my > Mac. I got FLACer. Seems a good package. > > On Dec 9, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > >> Hello Kermit, >> >> What kind of filesize would FLAC give you? >> >> Cheers, >> Antoine >> -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Dec 12 03:29:08 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:29:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RC449, 4558 AND 4560 OP AMPS IN NAKAMICHI 700ZXE AND 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B3F0E71-2460-4EDC-B9C8-ADA5E24ECF83@kvglabs.com> Hi Ali, Let me throw a different perspective on this. Firstly, I've had mixed results over the years substituting audio- equipment opamps with "better" types. In most cases, little or no discernible difference could be heard. in a few instances, the "better" opamp sounded worse, yet in many other instances the "better" opamp did indeed sound much cleaner, clearer and quieter. Ron is partly correct, but I'd revise and extend one statement: The ideal op-amp model is the basis for beginning any design with op-amps, but the characteristics of the real-world opamp must be considered to perfect that design. Understanding the ideal opamp m odel isn't necessary to be able to design basic circuits using them, but to get the most out of any opamp it is ideal. Opamps were created in response to a 1947 U.S. Joint Army-Navy initiative to simplify equipment design so much that even those who are ignorant of its workings can make good quality, useful equipment easily and simply. Ron is also correct in that optimizing an opamp for run-of-the-mill audio circuits isn't necessary, but audiophile quality audio gear, like your Nakamichi 700ZXE and 1000ZXL, isn't run-of-the-mill, so the same high standard of quality and care should be given to opamps circuits as well as everything else in the equipment. It's this attitude among too many designers that "its only analog" that has led to the latest generation of awful audio equipment and the decline of audio quality overall. I have directly substituted the opamps in BX-2 and 680ZX with these results: no change with the BX, lower distortion but excessive brightness with the 680ZX. Afterward, I examined the circuitry in detail and made slight adjustments to the feedback resistors in the circuits around the substituted opamps. This yielded an improvement in both machines, especially the BX-2, which ran 3 dB quieter and was more detailed-sounding. I then observed a tendency of the BX-2 to ring with sharp treble transients. Connecting a 10 PF capacitor in parallel with the feedback resistors eliminated the ringing. I haven't made any substitutions with the 700ZXE or 100ZXL, but my expectations are that a direct substitution would yield only slight or barely perceptible improvements, until the circuit is "tweaked" to take full advantage of the new opamp. Replacing an RC4558 with an RC4559 would probably require changing the feedback resistor because the 4559 has greater open-loop gain; without the modification I'd expect the circuit to ring, or to be excessively noisy even though the opamp itself is quieter. These models of Nakamichi are superb examples of the analog arts. Their designers took great care to optimize its circuits to the characteristics of the opamps chosen by the designer. My personal opinion is that substituting the original opamps directly with better types isn't worth the trouble, but taking the time to tweak the circuitry to "re-optimize" it for the "better" opamps (in order to get the full benefit of those opamps) would upgrade an already superlative recorder into a truly superlative recorder, especially if particular care is taken with the playback amplifier and bias/erase oscillators. But let me give you food for thought: if the objective is to upgrade the recorder, first consider the contributions to the quality losses that accrue with the recorder. The greatest source of quality loss is the blank tape itself. The next-greatest sources of quality loss are the tape drive's flutter-and-wow and the inherent distortion of the tape head. After this, the next significant source of quality loss is asymmetry and nonlinearity of the bias/erase oscillator, its tuner and any associated bias traps. Next in the hierarchy is the audio circuits themselves; the playback amp contributes the most noise, the output amp contributes the most distortion. My thinking is this: your deck will benefit most from using the best tapes. Any modification that will reduce flutter-and-wow will also improve the deck. Is the pinch roller in good shape? If not, replacing it will be a major upgrade. Next, be sure the bias and calibration, as well as head alignment is perfect. Only then, if you still want better sound, would I suggest "upgrading" the opamps, with the provision that the circuitry is analyzed and tweaked to take full advantage of the improved opamps. But I'd be surprised if you'd need it, those decks are so great! On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:08 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Ron , The op amps in the 700ZXE and the 1000ZXL are marked RC > 4559 , RC4558 and RC 4560 you mentioned 1449 I didn't see any op amp > in these two machines with the number, maybe I am missing > something?! Also since you seem very knowledgeable maybe you can > shed some light as to why?! nakamichi has placed the RC4558 in > someplaces and RC 4559 and RC 4650 in other location there must be > reason for doing so. I asked Bala the same question maybe you might > be knowing the difference among the these 3 op amps mentioned above. > I have a batch of each of the above amp and I was thinking of > replacing the RC 4560 and the RC 4558 with only the RC 4559 which > Bala mentions has better performance. Thanks for your kind help in > trying to understand these op amps. With Best Regards! Ali > > In a message dated 12/11/2008 12:11:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ra.ah at verizon.net > writes: > > Not exactly, Tom. The ideal op-amp model is the basis for any design > with > op-amps. Those that do not understand it cannot understand op-amp > circuits, it's that simple. This has nothing to do with embracing a > concept , > it's about understanding it. > > Once an op-amp circuit is designed, the engineer may need to account > for > discrepancies of the actual op-amp vs. the non-existent ideal. This > is what > the specific op-amp specs are for. Fortunately, even first > generation op-amps > were close enough to the ideal model, so this was only required for > specific > critical applications. Run of the mill audio amplification was never > one of > those. > > The bottom line of all this is that -- unlike what Bala imagines -- > there was no > specific optimization for 1449 ICs in Nak PB amps. You can drop any > op-amp > \with at least the same specs into the circuit and get the same > (possibly, > measurably better) performance. Yes, to be rigorous one should look > at the > specs, just to make sure, but in practice this is hardly necessary. > > For example, modern op-amps tend to have a higher slew rate. This is > goodness, but one may want to verify that the new op-amp will be > stable -- the > specs and/or applications notes will tell you that. IME, no > component changes > were ever necessary Replacing 1449s (2V/uS) with an OPA2134s (20V/uS) > caused no instability problems whatsoever, due to the latter chip > better internal > compensation (but, of course, the higher slew rate resulted in > improvement of > transient intemodulation distortion). This is why I asked Bala what > component, > exactly, he felt should be changed. > > Phew... This came out longer than expected... Sorry... > > -- Ron > > > > Tom Brucker wrote: >> >> Ron, Bala, and all, >> >> There is the concept of the "ideal" opamp which Ron embraces. >> There is the "real world" opamp, which Bala embraces. Both are >> useful fodder for discussion, but neither will win! Remeber that >> specs do not tell the story, nor do A/B listening tests. Some >> audio components are prized for their additive or subtractive >> distortions. I keep my sanity by focusing more on good sound and >> less on the absolute power of engineering! >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron >> Sent: Dec 10, 2008 8:43 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion >> >> >> That, again, is inaccurate. >> >> Let's take a look at a representative amp circuit. The negative >> input series and feedback resistors set the gain. You certainly >> do not want to change these. The positive input resistor is there >> to equalize offset current -- since the other resistors are not >> changed, this one shouldn't be changed, either (though, due to >> lowered offset current in the modern op-amp, it's value may be >> is less critical). There are no compensation components, as they >> are all internal to the IC. What else is there to change? >> >> You also say, "The circuit was designed to take maximum >> advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input and output >> sections."Huh??? what, exactly, did they do to 'optimize' the >> circuit? >> >> Don't forget, the new op-amp has lower noise, higher input >> impedance, lower output impedance, lower offset voltage and >> current. better supply rejection etc.. This makes it closer to the >> ideal op-amp model.. Would you name even one component >> that needs to change? >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> >>> Hi Bill, >>> >>> I think you have got it right there. The circuit was designed to >>> take maximum advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input >>> and output sections. The circuit was also optimized for very low >>> noise. While plugging any modern pin-compatible op-amp will work, >>> you would not get the ideal performance unless the related >>> components are re-examined. >>> >>> Rgds, >>> Bala >>> >>> The Greenleaf's wrote: >>> Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When >>> replacing older generation op amps there are several things to >>> consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" >>> don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. >>> However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers >>> properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the >>> op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher gain- >>> bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op >>> amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is >>> to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are >>> taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping >>> our Naks functioning as we all desire. >>> >>> Bill >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Ron >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is >>> DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. >>> >>> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Ali, >>>> >>>> The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp >>>> here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been >>>> designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally >>>> change the circuit unless component values are worked out again >>> >>> That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs >>> (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin >>> compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but >>> the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another >>> type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. >>> You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC >>> characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component >>> values. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing >>>> anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of >>>> the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most >>>> important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that >>>> the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Bala >>>> >>>> boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: >>>> Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more >>>> with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors >>>> in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 >>>> operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality >>>> 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so >>>> in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to >>>> replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I >>>> know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd >>>> revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali >>>> >>>> >>>> .....Read on. >>>> >>>> >>>> Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. >>>> IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical >>>> to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the >>>> gold plating of various parts -- including the front >>>> panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such >>>> as heads. >>>> >>>> I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance >>>> (including long term). As to part selection, it depends >>>> on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi >>>> tended to use good quality components, this is also >>>> a rather moot point. >>>> >>>> Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may >>>> sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability >>>> this is a function of the specific decks. Some other >>>> 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or >>>> the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs >>>> may sound different, depending on condition, age, >>>> amount of previous use, etc., etc.. >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Willy Hermann Services wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the >>>>> chance to do any listening to a limited and >>>>> didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am >>>>> anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a >>>>> standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I >>>>> may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of >>>>> building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the >>>>> Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we >>>>> have not created a good source for replacement heads. >>>>> Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>>> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about >>>>> Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: >>>>> [naktalk] Fwd: >>>>> The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner >>>>> is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit >>>>> of long term listening? I believe you might uncover >>>>> differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. >>>>> The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but >>>>> (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, >>>>> and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a >>>>> while to find a recording that will yield differences. I >>>>> can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct >>>>> speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 >>>>> years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock >>>>> Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon >>>>> head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all >>>>> Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a >>>>> classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom >>>>> brucker -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, >>>>>> 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The >>>>>> Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And >>>>> the Winner is..........Read on. >>>>>> --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" >>>>>> wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I >>>>>> decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise >>>>>> saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I >>>>>> promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the >>>>>> Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super >>>>>> decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. >>>>>> I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to >>>>>> comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh >>>>>> C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair >>>>>> of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power >>>>>> amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and >>>>>> the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors >>>>>> to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, >>>>>> again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. >>>>>> The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of >>>>>> a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. >>>>>> The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the >>>>>> DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms >>>>>> of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The >>>>>> Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with >>>>>> this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type >>>>>> II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the >>>>>> machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously >>>>>> from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, >>>>>> however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the >>>>>> sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively >>>>>> (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. >>>>>> was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the >>>>>> listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the >>>>>> difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was >>>>>> done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and >>>>>> the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. >>>>>> Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as >>>>>> compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back >>>>>> the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, >>>>>> the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape >>>>>> recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play >>>>>> back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, >>>>>> the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on >>>>>> both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's >>>>>> bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I >>>>>> picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in >>>>>> each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. >>>>>> The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of >>>>>> the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I >>>>>> gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to >>>>>> Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony >>>>>> etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. >>>>>> period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC- >>>>>> K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on >>>>>> my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released >>>>>> by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this >>>>>> was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored >>>>>> 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the >>>>>> exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than >>>>>> the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the >>>>>> Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source >>>>>> playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear >>>>>> difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back >>>>>> via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of >>>>>> punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD >>>>>> ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport >>>>>> when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt >>>>>> driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very >>>>>> very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock >>>>>> Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics >>>>>> of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the >>>>>> transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of >>>>>> transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power >>>>>> supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this >>>>>> motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. >>>>>> It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok >>>>>> ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f >>>>>> numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now >>>>>> await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try >>>>>> it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have >>>>>> another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a >>>>>> great day listening and recording and writing this! Back >>>>>> to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. >>>>>> Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- >>>>>> = >>>>>> =======--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>> >>>>>> = >>>>>> =======--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> >>>>>> = >>>>>> =======--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ========= >>>>> Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net >>>>> hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 >>>> >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> >>>> >>> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > > Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite > sites in one place. Try it now. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Dec 12 01:14:20 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:14:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes In-Reply-To: References: <17d5ee910812091727kea07afftd2c33c4e27e5ba47@mail.gmail.com> <1577844796-1229036263-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1881646980-@bxe011.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4941ACDC.9020804@yahoo.ca> I get 680kbps on my side ;-) (Using the highest compression rate. It takes about 0.5 seconds more to convert, but it's 70% of the size.) Kermit Gray a écrit : > Wow ... > > A FLAC made of the tones using XLD is only 980 Kilobytes in size. > > Excellent! > > On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > >> Without a doubt, the best multiencoder for the mac is XLD. >> >> Best rgds, LP >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kermit Gray >> >> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:29:45 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] test cassettes >> >> >> Hi Antoine, >> >> A FLAC file of either tone is about 1.3 Megabytes file size. >> >> Sorry for the delayed response, I had to go find a FLAC encoder for my >> Mac. I got FLACer. Seems a good package. >> >> On Dec 9, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> >>> Hello Kermit, >>> >>> What kind of filesize would FLAC give you? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Antoine >>> > > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From pgreenleaf at cfl.rr.com Fri Dec 12 03:41:32 2008 From: pgreenleaf at cfl.rr.com (The Greenleaf's) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:41:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion References: <510873.11668.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com><493EEDE6.70900@verizon.net><493FCF11.7070902@verizon.net><6CD38C538B9047A59C639B6CED04E180@wtgd24g> <3D6EFB9DE9AB47E8871FB11DF3EC4185@EmilysPC> Message-ID: Terry, The transistor circuits within the op amp have have specific operational characteristics based on the manufacturing processes used and the physical layout of the devices on the silicon die. These operational characteristics include the frequency characteristics that lead to the gain-bandwidth product characteristics of the op amp when viewed as a single device. The roll-off in the open loop gain bandwidth is caused by combinations of these internal characteristics. This roll-off characteristic is a result of the composite effects from the individual transistor circuits on the die that actually make up the op amp including the transistors used to control power and provide the "compensation" that is included in each design, unless you are looking at op amps from the late 60's and very early 70's that needed external compensation to prevent oscillations. I agree with Ron that this rarely a problem with amplifier circuits but it has been found in control loop filters. Hope this helps. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Finn To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:59 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion Forgive my ignorance but, what is this" Inherent pole/phantom pole" you refer to? Terry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of The Greenleaf's Sent: 11 December 2008 00:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion Ron & Bala, Seeing your responses maybe I'll elaborate on my comments. I work with avionics and we have had several cases where we needed to replace obsolete op amps in either audio or control loop applications. When we used the newer op amps, including those with FET input stages we found that the circuits did not perform as well as the original circuits until we added components to recreate the inherent pole included in the original op amp due to the restricted gain bandwidth product. Ron, you certainly could make the case that this is related to the original designer overlooking a key characteristic of the design process but I would suspect that most designs of that era (early 70's to late 80's) could potentially exhibit similar behaviors. I agree that the surrounding components should be fine as is but it is the phantom pole in the original op amp that may need to be compensated with the newer op amp. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion No argument, Bill, except to point out that newer op-amps (while indeed of wider bandwidth and higher slew rate), incorporate internal compensation and tend to have better stability than vintage designs. This is especially true for op-amps intended specifically for audio work, such as the OP-275 under discussion. I agree that one should be reasonably careful. It does make sense to look at and compare such things as output impedance, drive capability, even supply current requirements, etc. However, I sincerely doubt that replacing a 1449 with a modern audio specific FET input op-amp will not improve performance (though probably, not audibly). Several years ago I conducted an informal listening test, comparing a high quality track played straight though the system, vs. same track, but with a CR-7. monitoring loop, with its myriad of op-amps, inserted in the path (no recording, just source monitoring). None of the listeners could tell the difference. This leads me to believe that improving the op-amps will not making a audible difference. BTW, I know Stephen Sank (and others -- were enamoured of the OP275. Personally, I prefer the OPA2134. A bit cheaper than the OP275, it's a pin for pin replacement for the 1449. As used in line stage and phono stage circuits, it sounded great, assuming one enjoys very pure, analytical presentation. -- Ron The Greenleaf's wrote: Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When replacing older generation op amps there are several things to consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron . I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From pgreenleaf at cfl.rr.com Fri Dec 12 03:44:52 2008 From: pgreenleaf at cfl.rr.com (The Greenleaf's) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:44:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion References: <510873.11668.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com><493EEDE6.70900@verizon.net><493FCF11.7070902@verizon.net><6CD38C538B9047A59C639B6CED04E180@wtgd24g><3D6EFB9DE9AB47E8871FB11DF3EC4185@EmilysPC> <9A896877-93BF-4584-963B-9B094ABB175F@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <854ADE9C620F4F9286FBCE1E3B6C3BE0@wtgd24g> Kermit & Ron, You both expressed the concepts much better than I managed. Thanks. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion Hi Terry, In very simple terms, the pole is the frequency at which the high-end response of the opamp falls off (the "corner frequency"). In most circuits, this is caused by the inherent capacitance of the opamp itself interacting with the feedback resistor, creating, in effect, a low-pass filter (like a treble cut filter, if you will). When upgrading to a "better" opamp, you'll usually encounter the new opamp has lower capacitance (a.k.a. Miller capacitance, named for the number of beers you drink while solving the problems it causes); therefore the frequency created (the pole) shifts to a different [corner] frequency (often a higher frequency). This can cause instability (different phase response, ringing, oscillation, &c.) in a circuit that was previously stable. The typical fix is to change the compensation capacitor often wired in parallel with the feedback resistor, the value of feedback resistor itself, or both. Certain opamps have specific circuit requirements for stability, spelled out in their data sheets, changing those circuit elements is the fix when those opamps are substituted. An OP27 has far lower capacitance than a 4559, so this sort of compensation for the difference is almost assured. The opamps used in avionics operate at far higher frequencies than do opamps used in an audio device, so the problems caused by "the pole" (the corner frequency) are even more acute. By the way, the same thing occurs with discrete circuits that feature inverse feedback (negative feedback) elements, whether solid-state or valve/tube. Look closely at better-designed circuits and you'll see the compensation for Miller capacitance and the inherent pole caused by it and interaction with the feedback resistor. This is why spec sheets for valve state "inter-electrode capacitances" and for transistors state Miller capacitance -- you need the information to compensate the circuit's pole correctly. On Dec 11, 2008, at 2:59 AM, Terry Finn wrote: Forgive my ignorance but, what is this” Inherent pole/phantom pole” you refer to? Terry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of The Greenleaf's Sent: 11 December 2008 00:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion Ron & Bala, Seeing your responses maybe I'll elaborate on my comments. I work with avionics and we have had several cases where we needed to replace obsolete op amps in either audio or control loop applications. When we used the newer op amps, including those with FET input stages we found that the circuits did not perform as well as the original circuits until we added components to recreate the inherent pole included in the original op amp due to the restricted gain bandwidth product. Ron, you certainly could make the case that this is related to the original designer overlooking a key characteristic of the design process but I would suspect that most designs of that era (early 70's to late 80's) could potentially exhibit similar behaviors. 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URL: From pgreenleaf at cfl.rr.com Fri Dec 12 04:41:00 2008 From: pgreenleaf at cfl.rr.com (The Greenleaf's) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:41:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RC449, 4558 AND 4560 OP AMPS IN NAKAMICHI 700ZXE AND 1000ZXL References: Message-ID: Ali, These devices appear to still be manufactured by TI. You can get datasheets from their web site. The short story is the 4558 has the lowest unity gain bandwidth at 2 MHz and the slowest slew rate. The 4559 is probably just 4558 devices that tested better in the factory and have a unity gain bandwidth of 3 MHz and a slightly better slew rate. The 4560 is actually an instrumentation device and has a typical unity gain bandwidth of 15 MHz, higher slew rate and slightly different output drive capabilities. You can also google the RC4558, etc and the search will also point you to pdf versions of the datasheets. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] RC449,4558 AND 4560 OP AMPS IN NAKAMICHI 700ZXE AND 1000ZXL Hi Ron , The op amps in the 700ZXE and the 1000ZXL are marked RC 4559 , RC4558 and RC 4560 you mentioned 1449 I didn't see any op amp in these two machines with the number, maybe I am missing something?! Also since you seem very knowledgeable maybe you can shed some light as to why?! nakamichi has placed the RC4558 in someplaces and RC 4559 and RC 4650 in other location there must be reason for doing so. I asked Bala the same question maybe you might be knowing the difference among the these 3 op amps mentioned above. I have a batch of each of the above amp and I was thinking of replacing the RC 4560 and the RC 4558 with only the RC 4559 which Bala mentions has better performance. Thanks for your kind help in trying to understand these op amps. With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 12/11/2008 12:11:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ra.ah at verizon.net writes: Not exactly, Tom. The ideal op-amp model is the basis for any design with op-amps. Those that do not understand it cannot understand op-amp circuits, it's that simple. This has nothing to do with embracing a concept , it's about understanding it. Once an op-amp circuit is designed, the engineer may need to account for discrepancies of the actual op-amp vs. the non-existent ideal. This is what the specific op-amp specs are for. Fortunately, even first generation op-amps were close enough to the ideal model, so this was only required for specific critical applications. Run of the mill audio amplification was never one of those. The bottom line of all this is that -- unlike what Bala imagines -- there was no specific optimization for 1449 ICs in Nak PB amps. You can drop any op-amp \with at least the same specs into the circuit and get the same (possibly, measurably better) performance. Yes, to be rigorous one should look at the specs, just to make sure, but in practice this is hardly necessary. For example, modern op-amps tend to have a higher slew rate. This is goodness, but one may want to verify that the new op-amp will be stable -- the specs and/or applications notes will tell you that. IME, no component changes were ever necessary Replacing 1449s (2V/uS) with an OPA2134s (20V/uS) caused no instability problems whatsoever, due to the latter chip better internal compensation (but, of course, the higher slew rate resulted in improvement of transient intemodulation distortion). This is why I asked Bala what component, exactly, he felt should be changed. Phew... This came out longer than expected... Sorry... -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: Ron, Bala, and all, There is the concept of the "ideal" opamp which Ron embraces. There is the "real world" opamp, which Bala embraces. Both are useful fodder for discussion, but neither will win! Remeber that specs do not tell the story, nor do A/B listening tests. Some audio components are prized for their additive or subtractive distortions. I keep my sanity by focusing more on good sound and less on the absolute power of engineering! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Ron Sent: Dec 10, 2008 8:43 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion That, again, is inaccurate. Let's take a look at a representative amp circuit. The negative input series and feedback resistors set the gain. You certainly do not want to change these. The positive input resistor is there to equalize offset current -- since the other resistors are not changed, this one shouldn't be changed, either (though, due to lowered offset current in the modern op-amp, it's value may be is less critical). There are no compensation components, as they are all internal to the IC. What else is there to change? You also say, "The circuit was designed to take maximum advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input and output sections."Huh??? what, exactly, did they do to 'optimize' the circuit? Don't forget, the new op-amp has lower noise, higher input impedance, lower output impedance, lower offset voltage and current. better supply rejection etc.. This makes it closer to the ideal op-amp model.. Would you name even one component that needs to change? -- Ron Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Bill, I think you have got it right there. The circuit was designed to take maximum advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input and output sections. The circuit was also optimized for very low noise. While plugging any modern pin-compatible op-amp will work, you would not get the ideal performance unless the related components are re-examined. Rgds, Bala The Greenleaf's wrote: Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When replacing older generation op amps there are several things to consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron . I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 06:07:32 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:07:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RC449, 4558 AND 4560 OP AMPS IN NAKAMICHI 700ZXE AND 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <9B3F0E71-2460-4EDC-B9C8-ADA5E24ECF83@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <574043.24723.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit, When we substiture components without a proper approach, then it becomes a hit-or-miss affair and we do get mixed results. I remember being part of the tweak frenzy of the '90s and had many adventures. One thing I remember was changing the internal hookup wire on my previous McIntosh speakers. This whole adventure was embarked together with the local agent. The original wires were ordinary electrical hookup wire, which was switched to Monitor PC speaker wires and the bindnig posts were changed to solid milled WBTs. The resulting sound was a harsh sound with severly extended trebles and bass which sounded less tight then they had previously! We eventually lived with the sound until years later I got to talk to the designer who laughed at the whole thing. The change of wires had shown how carefully they had tweaked the cross-overs and how much little capacitance changes was necessary to throw the entire time responseof the cross-overs out of whack! This same thing had happened with a few other equipment of the 70s and 80s. Strangley, my newer Audio Note amps never did that. A series of such adventures had taught me that there must be more to replacing and tweaking a component then previously thought. Till date, I see that there is so much room for improvement by ensuring that the deck is kept in proper shape and that its fed on a diet of good tapes. When you hear the performance of any Nak in good condition, with the heads cleaned and demagged, the rollers supple and a good quality tape, the resulting sound would be as good as some modern high-end digital sources out there. Rgds, Bala Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Ali, Let me throw a different perspective on this. Firstly, I've had mixed results over the years substituting audio- equipment opamps with "better" types. In most cases, little or no discernible difference could be heard. in a few instances, the "better" opamp sounded worse, yet in many other instances the "better" opamp did indeed sound much cleaner, clearer and quieter. Ron is partly correct, but I'd revise and extend one statement: The ideal op-amp model is the basis for beginning any design with op-amps, but the characteristics of the real-world opamp must be considered to perfect that design. Understanding the ideal opamp m odel isn't necessary to be able to design basic circuits using them, but to get the most out of any opamp it is ideal. Opamps were created in response to a 1947 U.S. Joint Army-Navy initiative to simplify equipment design so much that even those who are ignorant of its workings can make good quality, useful equipment easily and simply. Ron is also correct in that optimizing an opamp for run-of-the-mill audio circuits isn't necessary, but audiophile quality audio gear, like your Nakamichi 700ZXE and 1000ZXL, isn't run-of-the-mill, so the same high standard of quality and care should be given to opamps circuits as well as everything else in the equipment. It's this attitude among too many designers that "its only analog" that has led to the latest generation of awful audio equipment and the decline of audio quality overall. I have directly substituted the opamps in BX-2 and 680ZX with these results: no change with the BX, lower distortion but excessive brightness with the 680ZX. Afterward, I examined the circuitry in detail and made slight adjustments to the feedback resistors in the circuits around the substituted opamps. This yielded an improvement in both machines, especially the BX-2, which ran 3 dB quieter and was more detailed-sounding. I then observed a tendency of the BX-2 to ring with sharp treble transients. Connecting a 10 PF capacitor in parallel with the feedback resistors eliminated the ringing. I haven't made any substitutions with the 700ZXE or 100ZXL, but my expectations are that a direct substitution would yield only slight or barely perceptible improvements, until the circuit is "tweaked" to take full advantage of the new opamp. Replacing an RC4558 with an RC4559 would probably require changing the feedback resistor because the 4559 has greater open-loop gain; without the modification I'd expect the circuit to ring, or to be excessively noisy even though the opamp itself is quieter. These models of Nakamichi are superb examples of the analog arts. Their designers took great care to optimize its circuits to the characteristics of the opamps chosen by the designer. My personal opinion is that substituting the original opamps directly with better types isn't worth the trouble, but taking the time to tweak the circuitry to "re-optimize" it for the "better" opamps (in order to get the full benefit of those opamps) would upgrade an already superlative recorder into a truly superlative recorder, especially if particular care is taken with the playback amplifier and bias/erase oscillators. But let me give you food for thought: if the objective is to upgrade the recorder, first consider the contributions to the quality losses that accrue with the recorder. The greatest source of quality loss is the blank tape itself. The next-greatest sources of quality loss are the tape drive's flutter-and-wow and the inherent distortion of the tape head. After this, the next significant source of quality loss is asymmetry and nonlinearity of the bias/erase oscillator, its tuner and any associated bias traps. Next in the hierarchy is the audio circuits themselves; the playback amp contributes the most noise, the output amp contributes the most distortion. My thinking is this: your deck will benefit most from using the best tapes. Any modification that will reduce flutter-and-wow will also improve the deck. Is the pinch roller in good shape? If not, replacing it will be a major upgrade. Next, be sure the bias and calibration, as well as head alignment is perfect. Only then, if you still want better sound, would I suggest "upgrading" the opamps, with the provision that the circuitry is analyzed and tweaked to take full advantage of the improved opamps. But I'd be surprised if you'd need it, those decks are so great! On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:08 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Ron , The op amps in the 700ZXE and the 1000ZXL are marked RC > 4559 , RC4558 and RC 4560 you mentioned 1449 I didn't see any op amp > in these two machines with the number, maybe I am missing > something?! Also since you seem very knowledgeable maybe you can > shed some light as to why?! nakamichi has placed the RC4558 in > someplaces and RC 4559 and RC 4650 in other location there must be > reason for doing so. I asked Bala the same question maybe you might > be knowing the difference among the these 3 op amps mentioned above. > I have a batch of each of the above amp and I was thinking of > replacing the RC 4560 and the RC 4558 with only the RC 4559 which > Bala mentions has better performance. Thanks for your kind help in > trying to understand these op amps. With Best Regards! Ali > > In a message dated 12/11/2008 12:11:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ra.ah at verizon.net > writes: > > Not exactly, Tom. The ideal op-amp model is the basis for any design > with > op-amps. Those that do not understand it cannot understand op-amp > circuits, it's that simple. This has nothing to do with embracing a > concept , > it's about understanding it. > > Once an op-amp circuit is designed, the engineer may need to account > for > discrepancies of the actual op-amp vs. the non-existent ideal. This > is what > the specific op-amp specs are for. Fortunately, even first > generation op-amps > were close enough to the ideal model, so this was only required for > specific > critical applications. Run of the mill audio amplification was never > one of > those. > > The bottom line of all this is that -- unlike what Bala imagines -- > there was no > specific optimization for 1449 ICs in Nak PB amps. You can drop any > op-amp > \with at least the same specs into the circuit and get the same > (possibly, > measurably better) performance. Yes, to be rigorous one should look > at the > specs, just to make sure, but in practice this is hardly necessary. > > For example, modern op-amps tend to have a higher slew rate. This is > goodness, but one may want to verify that the new op-amp will be > stable -- the > specs and/or applications notes will tell you that. IME, no > component changes > were ever necessary Replacing 1449s (2V/uS) with an OPA2134s (20V/uS) > caused no instability problems whatsoever, due to the latter chip > better internal > compensation (but, of course, the higher slew rate resulted in > improvement of > transient intemodulation distortion). This is why I asked Bala what > component, > exactly, he felt should be changed. > > Phew... This came out longer than expected... Sorry... > > -- Ron > > > > Tom Brucker wrote: >> >> Ron, Bala, and all, >> >> There is the concept of the "ideal" opamp which Ron embraces. >> There is the "real world" opamp, which Bala embraces. Both are >> useful fodder for discussion, but neither will win! Remeber that >> specs do not tell the story, nor do A/B listening tests. Some >> audio components are prized for their additive or subtractive >> distortions. I keep my sanity by focusing more on good sound and >> less on the absolute power of engineering! >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron >> Sent: Dec 10, 2008 8:43 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion >> >> >> That, again, is inaccurate. >> >> Let's take a look at a representative amp circuit. The negative >> input series and feedback resistors set the gain. You certainly >> do not want to change these. The positive input resistor is there >> to equalize offset current -- since the other resistors are not >> changed, this one shouldn't be changed, either (though, due to >> lowered offset current in the modern op-amp, it's value may be >> is less critical). There are no compensation components, as they >> are all internal to the IC. What else is there to change? >> >> You also say, "The circuit was designed to take maximum >> advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input and output >> sections."Huh??? what, exactly, did they do to 'optimize' the >> circuit? >> >> Don't forget, the new op-amp has lower noise, higher input >> impedance, lower output impedance, lower offset voltage and >> current. better supply rejection etc.. This makes it closer to the >> ideal op-amp model.. Would you name even one component >> that needs to change? >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> >>> Hi Bill, >>> >>> I think you have got it right there. The circuit was designed to >>> take maximum advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input >>> and output sections. The circuit was also optimized for very low >>> noise. While plugging any modern pin-compatible op-amp will work, >>> you would not get the ideal performance unless the related >>> components are re-examined. >>> >>> Rgds, >>> Bala >>> >>> The Greenleaf's wrote: >>> Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When >>> replacing older generation op amps there are several things to >>> consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" >>> don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. >>> However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers >>> properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the >>> op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher gain- >>> bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op >>> amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is >>> to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are >>> taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping >>> our Naks functioning as we all desire. >>> >>> Bill >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Ron >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is >>> DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. >>> >>> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Ali, >>>> >>>> The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp >>>> here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been >>>> designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally >>>> change the circuit unless component values are worked out again >>> >>> That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs >>> (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin >>> compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but >>> the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another >>> type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. >>> You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC >>> characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component >>> values. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing >>>> anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of >>>> the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most >>>> important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that >>>> the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Bala >>>> >>>> boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: >>>> Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more >>>> with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors >>>> in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 >>>> operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality >>>> 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so >>>> in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to >>>> replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I >>>> know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd >>>> revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali >>>> >>>> >>>> .....Read on. >>>> >>>> >>>> Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. >>>> IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical >>>> to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the >>>> gold plating of various parts -- including the front >>>> panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such >>>> as heads. >>>> >>>> I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance >>>> (including long term). As to part selection, it depends >>>> on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi >>>> tended to use good quality components, this is also >>>> a rather moot point. >>>> >>>> Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may >>>> sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability >>>> this is a function of the specific decks. Some other >>>> 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or >>>> the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs >>>> may sound different, depending on condition, age, >>>> amount of previous use, etc., etc.. >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Willy Hermann Services wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the >>>>> chance to do any listening to a limited and >>>>> didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am >>>>> anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a >>>>> standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I >>>>> may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of >>>>> building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the >>>>> Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we >>>>> have not created a good source for replacement heads. >>>>> Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>>> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about >>>>> Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: >>>>> [naktalk] Fwd: >>>>> The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner >>>>> is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit >>>>> of long term listening? I believe you might uncover >>>>> differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. >>>>> The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but >>>>> (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, >>>>> and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a >>>>> while to find a recording that will yield differences. I >>>>> can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct >>>>> speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 >>>>> years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock >>>>> Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon >>>>> head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all >>>>> Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a >>>>> classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom >>>>> brucker -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, >>>>>> 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The >>>>>> Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And >>>>> the Winner is..........Read on. >>>>>> --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" >>>>>> wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I >>>>>> decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise >>>>>> saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I >>>>>> promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the >>>>>> Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super >>>>>> decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. >>>>>> I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to >>>>>> comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh >>>>>> C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair >>>>>> of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power >>>>>> amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and >>>>>> the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors >>>>>> to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, >>>>>> again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. >>>>>> The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of >>>>>> a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. >>>>>> The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the >>>>>> DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms >>>>>> of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The >>>>>> Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with >>>>>> this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type >>>>>> II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the >>>>>> machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously >>>>>> from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, >>>>>> however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the >>>>>> sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively >>>>>> (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. >>>>>> was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the >>>>>> listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the >>>>>> difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was >>>>>> done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and >>>>>> the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. >>>>>> Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as >>>>>> compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back >>>>>> the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, >>>>>> the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape >>>>>> recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play >>>>>> back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, >>>>>> the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on >>>>>> both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's >>>>>> bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I >>>>>> picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in >>>>>> each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. >>>>>> The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of >>>>>> the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I >>>>>> gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to >>>>>> Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony >>>>>> etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. >>>>>> period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC- >>>>>> K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on >>>>>> my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released >>>>>> by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this >>>>>> was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored >>>>>> 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the >>>>>> exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than >>>>>> the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the >>>>>> Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source >>>>>> playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear >>>>>> difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back >>>>>> via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of >>>>>> punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD === message truncated === -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 06:21:26 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:21:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion In-Reply-To: <6CD38C538B9047A59C639B6CED04E180@wtgd24g> Message-ID: <978014.54253.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Bill, You have put out my thoughts verbatim although I chose to explain myself in another light which didn't seem to communicate my thoughts too well. As part of my efforts on resurrecting my first ZXL in late 2004, I undertook a thorough understanding of the system which led to have a tremendous appreciation of the level of engineering poured into equipment of that generation. While their digital design methods were somewhat archaic, their analog design was meticulous and way ahead of their time. The RC4558 and RC4559 were first generation op-amps available ever but to think that they were able to achieve that level of performance is simple amazing. Because such detailed work was put into getting the best possible performance, again much thought must be given in prior to making any changes which may or may not be for the better. Rgds, Bala The Greenleaf's wrote: Ron & Bala, Seeing your responses maybe I'll elaborate on my comments. I work with avionics and we have had several cases where we needed to replace obsolete op amps in either audio or control loop applications. When we used the newer op amps, including those with FET input stages we found that the circuits did not perform as well as the original circuits until we added components to recreate the inherent pole included in the original op amp due to the restricted gain bandwidth product. Ron, you certainly could make the case that this is related to the original designer overlooking a key characteristic of the design process but I would suspect that most designs of that era (early 70's to late 80's) could potentially exhibit similar behaviors. I agree that the surrounding components should be fine as is but it is the phantom pole in the original op amp that may need to be compensated with the newer op amp. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion No argument, Bill, except to point out that newer op-amps (while indeed of wider bandwidth and higher slew rate), incorporate internal compensation and tend to have better stability than vintage designs. This is especially true for op-amps intended specifically for audio work, such as the OP-275 under discussion. I agree that one should be reasonably careful. It does make sense to look at and compare such things as output impedance, drive capability, even supply current requirements, etc. However, I sincerely doubt that replacing a 1449 with a modern audio specific FET input op-amp will not improve performance (though probably, not audibly). Several years ago I conducted an informal listening test, comparing a high quality track played straight though the system, vs. same track, but with a CR-7. monitoring loop, with its myriad of op-amps, inserted in the path (no recording, just source monitoring). None of the listeners could tell the difference. This leads me to believe that improving the op-amps will not making a audible difference. BTW, I know Stephen Sank (and others -- were enamoured of the OP275. Personally, I prefer the OPA2134. A bit cheaper than the OP275, it's a pin for pin replacement for the 1449. As used in line stage and phono stage circuits, it sounded great, assuming one enjoys very pure, analytical presentation. -- Ron The Greenleaf's wrote: Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When replacing older generation op amps there are several things to consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron . I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Fri Dec 12 12:31:49 2008 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (Terry Finn) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:31:49 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion In-Reply-To: <9A896877-93BF-4584-963B-9B094ABB175F@kvglabs.com> References: <510873.11668.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com><493EEDE6.70900@verizon.net><493FCF11.7070902@verizon.net><6CD38C538B9047A59C639B6CED04E180@wtgd24g><3D6EFB9DE9AB47E8871FB11DF3EC4185@EmilysPC> <9A896877-93BF-4584-963B-9B094ABB175F@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: Thank you Ron and Kermit for plugging a few holes in my memory bank!! Best regards from a Cold and a "Not sure if we are all Waving or Drowning" UK?? Terry _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: 11 December 2008 22:02 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion Hi Terry, In very simple terms, the pole is the frequency at which the high-end response of the opamp falls off (the "corner frequency"). In most circuits, this is caused by the inherent capacitance of the opamp itself interacting with the feedback resistor, creating, in effect, a low-pass filter (like a treble cut filter, if you will). When upgrading to a "better" opamp, you'll usually encounter the new opamp has lower capacitance (a.k.a. Miller capacitance, named for the number of beers you drink while solving the problems it causes); therefore the frequency created (the pole) shifts to a different [corner] frequency (often a higher frequency). This can cause instability (different phase response, ringing, oscillation, &c.) in a circuit that was previously stable. The typical fix is to change the compensation capacitor often wired in parallel with the feedback resistor, the value of feedback resistor itself, or both. Certain opamps have specific circuit requirements for stability, spelled out in their data sheets, changing those circuit elements is the fix when those opamps are substituted. An OP27 has far lower capacitance than a 4559, so this sort of compensation for the difference is almost assured. The opamps used in avionics operate at far higher frequencies than do opamps used in an audio device, so the problems caused by "the pole" (the corner frequency) are even more acute. By the way, the same thing occurs with discrete circuits that feature inverse feedback (negative feedback) elements, whether solid-state or valve/tube. Look closely at better-designed circuits and you'll see the compensation for Miller capacitance and the inherent pole caused by it and interaction with the feedback resistor. This is why spec sheets for valve state "inter-electrode capacitances" and for transistors state Miller capacitance -- you need the information to compensate the circuit's pole correctly. On Dec 11, 2008, at 2:59 AM, Terry Finn wrote: Forgive my ignorance but, what is this" Inherent pole/phantom pole" you refer to? Terry _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of The Greenleaf's Sent: 11 December 2008 00:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion Ron & Bala, Seeing your responses maybe I'll elaborate on my comments. I work with avionics and we have had several cases where we needed to replace obsolete op amps in either audio or control loop applications. When we used the newer op amps, including those with FET input stages we found that the circuits did not perform as well as the original circuits until we added components to recreate the inherent pole included in the original op amp due to the restricted gain bandwidth product. Ron, you certainly could make the case that this is related to the original designer overlooking a key characteristic of the design process but I would suspect that most designs of that era (early 70's to late 80's) could potentially exhibit similar behaviors. I agree that the surrounding components should be fine as is but it is the phantom pole in the original op amp that may need to be compensated with the newer op amp. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy No virus found in this incoming message. 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I heard from Ben tha that polystyrene will make the sound better as its a better capacitor with more closer tolerence that the other kinds of caps. Will replacing the old op amps in this deck with the same original numbers mentioned above will be a good idea, my reason for replacing them that they might have suffered some damage when the orange caps went bad in the machine and being new they would perform better than the old ones, what is you take on this?! Kermit you should design a hi-end cassette deck I bet it will beat event he Nakamichi 1000zxl:) Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali 2/11/2008 9:51:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: Hi Ali, Let me throw a different perspective on this. Firstly, I've had mixed results over the years substituting audio- equipment opamps with "better" types. In most cases, little or no discernible difference could be heard. in a few instances, the "better" opamp sounded worse, yet in many other instances the "better" opamp did indeed sound much cleaner, clearer and quieter. Ron is partly correct, but I'd revise and extend one statement: The ideal op-amp model is the basis for beginning any design with op-amps, but the characteristics of the real-world opamp must be considered to perfect that design. Understanding the ideal opamp m odel isn't necessary to be able to design basic circuits using them, but to get the most out of any opamp it is ideal. Opamps were created in response to a 1947 U.S. Joint Army-Navy initiative to simplify equipment design so much that even those who are ignorant of its workings can make good quality, useful equipment easily and simply. Ron is also correct in that optimizing an opamp for run-of-the-mill audio circuits isn't necessary, but audiophile quality audio gear, like your Nakamichi 700ZXE and 1000ZXL, isn't run-of-the-mill, so the same high standard of quality and care should be given to opamps circuits as well as everything else in the equipment. It's this attitude among too many designers that "its only analog" that has led to the latest generation of awful audio equipment and the decline of audio quality overall. I have directly substituted the opamps in BX-2 and 680ZX with these results: no change with the BX, lower distortion but excessive brightness with the 680ZX. Afterward, I examined the circuitry in detail and made slight adjustments to the feedback resistors in the circuits around the substituted opamps. This yielded an improvement in both machines, especially the BX-2, which ran 3 dB quieter and was more detailed-sounding. I then observed a tendency of the BX-2 to ring with sharp treble transients. Connecting a 10 PF capacitor in parallel with the feedback resistors eliminated the ringing. I haven't made any substitutions with the 700ZXE or 100ZXL, but my expectations are that a direct substitution would yield only slight or barely perceptible improvements, until the circuit is "tweaked" to take full advantage of the new opamp. Replacing an RC4558 with an RC4559 would probably require changing the feedback resistor because the 4559 has greater open-loop gain; without the modification I'd expect the circuit to ring, or to be excessively noisy even though the opamp itself is quieter. These models of Nakamichi are superb examples of the analog arts. Their designers took great care to optimize its circuits to the characteristics of the opamps chosen by the designer. My personal opinion is that substituting the original opamps directly with better types isn't worth the trouble, but taking the time to tweak the circuitry to "re-optimize" it for the "better" opamps (in order to get the full benefit of those opamps) would upgrade an already superlative recorder into a truly superlative recorder, especially if particular care is taken with the playback amplifier and bias/erase oscillators. But let me give you food for thought: if the objective is to upgrade the recorder, first consider the contributions to the quality losses that accrue with the recorder. The greatest source of quality loss is the blank tape itself. The next-greatest sources of quality loss are the tape drive's flutter-and-wow and the inherent distortion of the tape head. After this, the next significant source of quality loss is asymmetry and nonlinearity of the bias/erase oscillator, its tuner and any associated bias traps. Next in the hierarchy is the audio circuits themselves; the playback amp contributes the most noise, the output amp contributes the most distortion. My thinking is this: your deck will benefit most from using the best tapes. Any modification that will reduce flutter-and-wow will also improve the deck. Is the pinch roller in good shape? If not, replacing it will be a major upgrade. Next, be sure the bias and calibration, as well as head alignment is perfect. Only then, if you still want better sound, would I suggest "upgrading" the opamps, with the provision that the circuitry is analyzed and tweaked to take full advantage of the improved opamps. But I'd be surprised if you'd need it, those decks are so great! On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:08 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Ron , The op amps in the 700ZXE and the 1000ZXL are marked RC > 4559 , RC4558 and RC 4560 you mentioned 1449 I didn't see any op amp > in these two machines with the number, maybe I am missing > something?! Also since you seem very knowledgeable maybe you can > shed some light as to why?! nakamichi has placed the RC4558 in > someplaces and RC 4559 and RC 4650 in other location there must be > reason for doing so. I asked Bala the same question maybe you might > be knowing the difference among the these 3 op amps mentioned above. > I have a batch of each of the above amp and I was thinking of > replacing the RC 4560 and the RC 4558 with only the RC 4559 which > Bala mentions has better performance. Thanks for your kind help in > trying to understand these op amps. With Best Regards! Ali > > In a message dated 12/11/2008 12:11:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ra.ah at verizon.net > writes: > > Not exactly, Tom. The ideal op-amp model is the basis for any design > with > op-amps. Those that do not understand it cannot understand op-amp > circuits, it's that simple. This has nothing to do with embracing a > concept , > it's about understanding it. > > Once an op-amp circuit is designed, the engineer may need to account > for > discrepancies of the actual op-amp vs. the non-existent ideal. This > is what > the specific op-amp specs are for. Fortunately, even first > generation op-amps > were close enough to the ideal model, so this was only required for > specific > critical applications. Run of the mill audio amplification was never > one of > those. > > The bottom line of all this is that -- unlike what Bala imagines -- > there was no > specific optimization for 1449 ICs in Nak PB amps. You can drop any > op-amp > \with at least the same specs into the circuit and get the same > (possibly, > measurably better) performance. Yes, to be rigorous one should look > at the > specs, just to make sure, but in practice this is hardly necessary. > > For example, modern op-amps tend to have a higher slew rate. This is > goodness, but one may want to verify that the new op-amp will be > stable -- the > specs and/or applications notes will tell you that. IME, no > component changes > were ever necessary Replacing 1449s (2V/uS) with an OPA2134s (20V/uS) > caused no instability problems whatsoever, due to the latter chip > better internal > compensation (but, of course, the higher slew rate resulted in > improvement of > transient intemodulation distortion). This is why I asked Bala what > component, > exactly, he felt should be changed. > > Phew... This came out longer than expected... Sorry... > > -- Ron > > > > Tom Brucker wrote: >> >> Ron, Bala, and all, >> >> There is the concept of the "ideal" opamp which Ron embraces. >> There is the "real world" opamp, which Bala embraces. Both are >> useful fodder for discussion, but neither will win! Remeber that >> specs do not tell the story, nor do A/B listening tests. Some >> audio components are prized for their additive or subtractive >> distortions. I keep my sanity by focusing more on good sound and >> less on the absolute power of engineering! >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron >> Sent: Dec 10, 2008 8:43 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion >> >> >> That, again, is inaccurate. >> >> Let's take a look at a representative amp circuit. The negative >> input series and feedback resistors set the gain. You certainly >> do not want to change these. The positive input resistor is there >> to equalize offset current -- since the other resistors are not >> changed, this one shouldn't be changed, either (though, due to >> lowered offset current in the modern op-amp, it's value may be >> is less critical). There are no compensation components, as they >> are all internal to the IC. What else is there to change? >> >> You also say, "The circuit was designed to take maximum >> advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input and output >> sections."Huh??? what, exactly, did they do to 'optimize' the >> circuit? >> >> Don't forget, the new op-amp has lower noise, higher input >> impedance, lower output impedance, lower offset voltage and >> current. better supply rejection etc.. This makes it closer to the >> ideal op-amp model.. Would you name even one component >> that needs to change? >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> >>> Hi Bill, >>> >>> I think you have got it right there. The circuit was designed to >>> take maximum advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input >>> and output sections. The circuit was also optimized for very low >>> noise. While plugging any modern pin-compatible op-amp will work, >>> you would not get the ideal performance unless the related >>> components are re-examined. >>> >>> Rgds, >>> Bala >>> >>> The Greenleaf's wrote: >>> Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When >>> replacing older generation op amps there are several things to >>> consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" >>> don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. >>> However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers >>> properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the >>> op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher gain- >>> bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op >>> amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is >>> to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are >>> taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping >>> our Naks functioning as we all desire. >>> >>> Bill >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Ron >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is >>> DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. >>> >>> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Ali, >>>> >>>> The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp >>>> here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been >>>> designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally >>>> change the circuit unless component values are worked out again >>> >>> That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs >>> (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin >>> compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but >>> the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another >>> type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. >>> You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC >>> characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component >>> values. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing >>>> anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of >>>> the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most >>>> important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that >>>> the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Bala >>>> >>>> boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: >>>> Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more >>>> with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors >>>> in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 >>>> operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality >>>> 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so >>>> in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to >>>> replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I >>>> know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd >>>> revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali >>>> >>>> >>>> .....Read on. >>>> >>>> >>>> Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. >>>> IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical >>>> to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the >>>> gold plating of various parts -- including the front >>>> panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such >>>> as heads. >>>> >>>> I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance >>>> (including long term). As to part selection, it depends >>>> on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi >>>> tended to use good quality components, this is also >>>> a rather moot point. >>>> >>>> Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may >>>> sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability >>>> this is a function of the specific decks. Some other >>>> 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or >>>> the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs >>>> may sound different, depending on condition, age, >>>> amount of previous use, etc., etc.. >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Willy Hermann Services wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the >>>>> chance to do any listening to a limited and >>>>> didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am >>>>> anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a >>>>> standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I >>>>> may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of >>>>> building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the >>>>> Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we >>>>> have not created a good source for replacement heads. >>>>> Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>>> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about >>>>> Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: >>>>> [naktalk] Fwd: >>>>> The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner >>>>> is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit >>>>> of long term listening? I believe you might uncover >>>>> differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. >>>>> The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but >>>>> (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, >>>>> and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a >>>>> while to find a recording that will yield differences. I >>>>> can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct >>>>> speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 >>>>> years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock >>>>> Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon >>>>> head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all >>>>> Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a >>>>> classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom >>>>> brucker -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, >>>>>> 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The >>>>>> Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And >>>>> the Winner is..........Read on. >>>>>> --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" >>>>>> wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I >>>>>> decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise >>>>>> saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I >>>>>> promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the >>>>>> Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super >>>>>> decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. >>>>>> I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to >>>>>> comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh >>>>>> C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair >>>>>> of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power >>>>>> amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and >>>>>> the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors >>>>>> to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, >>>>>> again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. >>>>>> The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of >>>>>> a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. >>>>>> The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the >>>>>> DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms >>>>>> of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The >>>>>> Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with >>>>>> this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type >>>>>> II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the >>>>>> machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously >>>>>> from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, >>>>>> however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the >>>>>> sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively >>>>>> (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. >>>>>> was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the >>>>>> listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the >>>>>> difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was >>>>>> done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and >>>>>> the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. >>>>>> Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as >>>>>> compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back >>>>>> the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, >>>>>> the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape >>>>>> recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play >>>>>> back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, >>>>>> the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on >>>>>> both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's >>>>>> bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I >>>>>> picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in >>>>>> each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. >>>>>> The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of >>>>>> the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I >>>>>> gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to >>>>>> Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony >>>>>> etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. >>>>>> period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC- >>>>>> K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on >>>>>> my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released >>>>>> by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this >>>>>> was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored >>>>>> 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the >>>>>> exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than >>>>>> the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the >>>>>> Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source >>>>>> playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear >>>>>> difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back >>>>>> via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of >>>>>> punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD >>>>>> ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport >>>>>> when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt >>>>>> driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very >>>>>> very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock >>>>>> Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics >>>>>> of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the >>>>>> transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of >>>>>> transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power >>>>>> supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this >>>>>> motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. >>>>>> It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok >>>>>> ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f >>>>>> numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now >>>>>> await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try >>>>>> it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have >>>>>> another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a >>>>>> great day listening and recording and writing this! Back >>>>>> to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. >>>>>> Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- >>>>>> = >>>>>> =======--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>> >>>>>> = >>>>>> =======--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> >>>>>> = >>>>>> =======--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ========= >>>>> Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Dec 12 15:08:29 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:08:29 EST Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxe and 1000zxl Message-ID: Hi Bala, Ron and Kermit, I have decided to replace each old RC 4558, RC 4559 and the RC 4560 with the same one! on each PCB where they are located after reading your posting. Thanks specially to Bala and Kermit for taking time out from their busy schedule to help us novice understand somewhat what these op amps are and how they work , these great guys have some very extraordinary brains indeed!:) With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 12/12/2008 2:54:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Hi Bill, You have put out my thoughts verbatim although I chose to explain myself in another light which didn't seem to communicate my thoughts too well. As part of my efforts on resurrecting my first ZXL in late 2004, I undertook a thorough understanding of the system which led to have a tremendous appreciation of the level of engineering poured into equipment of that generation. While their digital design methods were somewhat archaic, their analog design was meticulous and way ahead of their time. The RC4558 and RC4559 were first generation op-amps available ever but to think that they were able to achieve that level of performance is simple amazing. Because such detailed work was put into getting the best possible performance, again much thought must be given in prior to making any changes which may or may not be for the better. Rgds, Bala The Greenleaf's wrote: Ron & Bala, Seeing your responses maybe I'll elaborate on my comments. I work with avionics and we have had several cases where we needed to replace obsolete op amps in either audio or control loop applications. When we used the newer op amps, including those with FET input stages we found that the circuits did not perform as well as the original circuits until we added components to recreate the inherent pole included in the original op amp due to the restricted gain bandwidth product. Ron, you certainly could make the case that this is related to the original designer overlooking a key characteristic of the design process but I would suspect that most designs of that era (early 70's to late 80's) could potentially exhibit similar behaviors. I agree that the surrounding components should be fine as is but it is the phantom pole in the original op amp that may need to be compensated with the newer op amp. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: _Ron_ (mailto:ra.ah at verizon.net) To: _Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion No argument, Bill, except to point out that newer op-amps (while indeed of wider bandwidth and higher slew rate), incorporate internal compensation and tend to have better stability than vintage designs. This is especially true for op-amps intended specifically for audio work, such as the OP-275 under discussion. I agree that one should be reasonably careful. It does make sense to look at and compare such things as output impedance, drive capability, even supply current requirements, etc. However, I sincerely doubt that replacing a 1449 with a modern audio specific FET input op-amp will not improve performance (though probably, not audibly). Several years ago I conducted an informal listening test, comparing a high quality track played straight though the system, vs. same track, but with a CR-7. monitoring loop, with its myriad of op-amps, inserted in the path (no recording, just source monitoring). None of the listeners could tell the difference. This leads me to believe that improving the op-amps will not making a audible difference. BTW, I know Stephen Sank (and others -- were enamoured of the OP275. Personally, I prefer the OPA2134. A bit cheaper than the OP275, it's a pin for pin replacement for the 1449. As used in line stage and phono stage circuits, it sounded great, assuming one enjoys very pure, analytical presentation. -- Ron The Greenleaf's wrote: Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When replacing older generation op amps there are several things to consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: _Ron_ (mailto:ra.ah at verizon.net) To: _Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron . I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala _boeing747600 at aol.com_ (mailto:boeing747600 at aol.com) wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: _naktalk-bounces at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com) [_mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com) ] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; _naktalk at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 __ (mailto:shantiram2000 at yahoo.com) Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: _naktalk at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In _1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com) , "shantiram2000" __ (mailto:shantiram2000 at ...) wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. 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Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 12 16:12:51 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:12:51 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] RC449, 4558 AND 4560 OP AMPS IN NAKAMICHI 700ZXE AND 1000ZXL Message-ID: <19753045.1229094771525.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I believe, based on some practical experience, that improving the ground path integrity yeilds better results for modifiers than changing opamps. Note the spiderweb of black wires added to the Dragon, and the need for better grounding in the MR1,2 and BX 300. With all this excellent info it is obvious that simply changing opamps can lead to trouble. poly cap upgrades seem to be worthwhile as well. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kermit Gray >Sent: Dec 11, 2008 8:29 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RC449, 4558 AND 4560 OP AMPS IN NAKAMICHI 700ZXE AND 1000ZXL > >Hi Ali, > >Let me throw a different perspective on this. > >Firstly, I've had mixed results over the years substituting audio- >equipment opamps with "better" types. In most cases, little or no >discernible difference could be heard. in a few instances, the >"better" opamp sounded worse, yet in many other instances the "better" >opamp did indeed sound much cleaner, clearer and quieter. > >Ron is partly correct, but I'd revise and extend one statement: The >ideal op-amp model is the basis for beginning any design with op-amps, >but the characteristics of the real-world opamp must be considered to >perfect that design. Understanding the ideal opamp m odel isn't >necessary to be able to design basic circuits using them, but to get >the most out of any opamp it is ideal. Opamps were created in response >to a 1947 U.S. Joint Army-Navy initiative to simplify equipment design >so much that even those who are ignorant of its workings can make good >quality, useful equipment easily and simply. > >Ron is also correct in that optimizing an opamp for run-of-the-mill >audio circuits isn't necessary, but audiophile quality audio gear, >like your Nakamichi 700ZXE and 1000ZXL, isn't run-of-the-mill, so the >same high standard of quality and care should be given to opamps >circuits as well as everything else in the equipment. It's this >attitude among too many designers that "its only analog" that has led >to the latest generation of awful audio equipment and the decline of >audio quality overall. > >I have directly substituted the opamps in BX-2 and 680ZX with these >results: no change with the BX, lower distortion but excessive >brightness with the 680ZX. Afterward, I examined the circuitry in >detail and made slight adjustments to the feedback resistors in the >circuits around the substituted opamps. This yielded an improvement in >both machines, especially the BX-2, which ran 3 dB quieter and was >more detailed-sounding. I then observed a tendency of the BX-2 to ring >with sharp treble transients. Connecting a 10 PF capacitor in parallel >with the feedback resistors eliminated the ringing. > >I haven't made any substitutions with the 700ZXE or 100ZXL, but my >expectations are that a direct substitution would yield only slight or >barely perceptible improvements, until the circuit is "tweaked" to >take full advantage of the new opamp. Replacing an RC4558 with an >RC4559 would probably require changing the feedback resistor because >the 4559 has greater open-loop gain; without the modification I'd >expect the circuit to ring, or to be excessively noisy even though the >opamp itself is quieter. These models of Nakamichi are superb examples >of the analog arts. Their designers took great care to optimize its >circuits to the characteristics of the opamps chosen by the designer. >My personal opinion is that substituting the original opamps directly >with better types isn't worth the trouble, but taking the time to >tweak the circuitry to "re-optimize" it for the "better" opamps (in >order to get the full benefit of those opamps) would upgrade an >already superlative recorder into a truly superlative recorder, >especially if particular care is taken with the playback amplifier and >bias/erase oscillators. > >But let me give you food for thought: if the objective is to upgrade >the recorder, first consider the contributions to the quality losses >that accrue with the recorder. The greatest source of quality loss is >the blank tape itself. The next-greatest sources of quality loss are >the tape drive's flutter-and-wow and the inherent distortion of the >tape head. After this, the next significant source of quality loss is >asymmetry and nonlinearity of the bias/erase oscillator, its tuner and >any associated bias traps. Next in the hierarchy is the audio circuits >themselves; the playback amp contributes the most noise, the output >amp contributes the most distortion. > >My thinking is this: your deck will benefit most from using the best >tapes. Any modification that will reduce flutter-and-wow will also >improve the deck. Is the pinch roller in good shape? If not, replacing >it will be a major upgrade. Next, be sure the bias and calibration, as >well as head alignment is perfect. Only then, if you still want better >sound, would I suggest "upgrading" the opamps, with the provision that >the circuitry is analyzed and tweaked to take full advantage of the >improved opamps. But I'd be surprised if you'd need it, those decks >are so great! > > >On Dec 11, 2008, at 4:08 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > >> Hi Ron , The op amps in the 700ZXE and the 1000ZXL are marked RC >> 4559 , RC4558 and RC 4560 you mentioned 1449 I didn't see any op amp >> in these two machines with the number, maybe I am missing >> something?! Also since you seem very knowledgeable maybe you can >> shed some light as to why?! nakamichi has placed the RC4558 in >> someplaces and RC 4559 and RC 4650 in other location there must be >> reason for doing so. I asked Bala the same question maybe you might >> be knowing the difference among the these 3 op amps mentioned above. >> I have a batch of each of the above amp and I was thinking of >> replacing the RC 4560 and the RC 4558 with only the RC 4559 which >> Bala mentions has better performance. Thanks for your kind help in >> trying to understand these op amps. With Best Regards! Ali > > >> >> In a message dated 12/11/2008 12:11:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ra.ah at verizon.net >> writes: >> >> Not exactly, Tom. The ideal op-amp model is the basis for any design >> with >> op-amps. Those that do not understand it cannot understand op-amp >> circuits, it's that simple. This has nothing to do with embracing a >> concept , >> it's about understanding it. >> >> Once an op-amp circuit is designed, the engineer may need to account >> for >> discrepancies of the actual op-amp vs. the non-existent ideal. This >> is what >> the specific op-amp specs are for. Fortunately, even first >> generation op-amps >> were close enough to the ideal model, so this was only required for >> specific >> critical applications. Run of the mill audio amplification was never >> one of >> those. >> >> The bottom line of all this is that -- unlike what Bala imagines -- >> there was no >> specific optimization for 1449 ICs in Nak PB amps. You can drop any >> op-amp >> \with at least the same specs into the circuit and get the same >> (possibly, >> measurably better) performance. Yes, to be rigorous one should look >> at the >> specs, just to make sure, but in practice this is hardly necessary. >> >> For example, modern op-amps tend to have a higher slew rate. This is >> goodness, but one may want to verify that the new op-amp will be >> stable -- the >> specs and/or applications notes will tell you that. IME, no >> component changes >> were ever necessary Replacing 1449s (2V/uS) with an OPA2134s (20V/uS) >> caused no instability problems whatsoever, due to the latter chip >> better internal >> compensation (but, of course, the higher slew rate resulted in >> improvement of >> transient intemodulation distortion). This is why I asked Bala what >> component, >> exactly, he felt should be changed. >> >> Phew... This came out longer than expected... Sorry... >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Tom Brucker wrote: >>> >>> Ron, Bala, and all, >>> >>> There is the concept of the "ideal" opamp which Ron embraces. >>> There is the "real world" opamp, which Bala embraces. Both are >>> useful fodder for discussion, but neither will win! Remeber that >>> specs do not tell the story, nor do A/B listening tests. Some >>> audio components are prized for their additive or subtractive >>> distortions. I keep my sanity by focusing more on good sound and >>> less on the absolute power of engineering! >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Ron >>> Sent: Dec 10, 2008 8:43 AM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion >>> >>> >>> That, again, is inaccurate. >>> >>> Let's take a look at a representative amp circuit. The negative >>> input series and feedback resistors set the gain. You certainly >>> do not want to change these. The positive input resistor is there >>> to equalize offset current -- since the other resistors are not >>> changed, this one shouldn't be changed, either (though, due to >>> lowered offset current in the modern op-amp, it's value may be >>> is less critical). There are no compensation components, as they >>> are all internal to the IC. What else is there to change? >>> >>> You also say, "The circuit was designed to take maximum >>> advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input and output >>> sections."Huh??? what, exactly, did they do to 'optimize' the >>> circuit? >>> >>> Don't forget, the new op-amp has lower noise, higher input >>> impedance, lower output impedance, lower offset voltage and >>> current. better supply rejection etc.. This makes it closer to the >>> ideal op-amp model.. Would you name even one component >>> that needs to change? >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Bill, >>>> >>>> I think you have got it right there. The circuit was designed to >>>> take maximum advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input >>>> and output sections. The circuit was also optimized for very low >>>> noise. While plugging any modern pin-compatible op-amp will work, >>>> you would not get the ideal performance unless the related >>>> components are re-examined. >>>> >>>> Rgds, >>>> Bala >>>> >>>> The Greenleaf's wrote: >>>> Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When >>>> replacing older generation op amps there are several things to >>>> consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" >>>> don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. >>>> However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers >>>> properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the >>>> op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher gain- >>>> bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op >>>> amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is >>>> to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are >>>> taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping >>>> our Naks functioning as we all desire. >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Ron >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is >>>> DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. >>>> >>>> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Ali, >>>>> >>>>> The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp >>>>> here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been >>>>> designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally >>>>> change the circuit unless component values are worked out again >>>> >>>> That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs >>>> (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin >>>> compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but >>>> the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another >>>> type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. >>>> You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC >>>> characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component >>>> values. >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing >>>>> anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of >>>>> the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most >>>>> important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that >>>>> the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Bala >>>>> >>>>> boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: >>>>> Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more >>>>> with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors >>>>> in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 >>>>> operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality >>>>> 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so >>>>> in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to >>>>> replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I >>>>> know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd >>>>> revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> .....Read on. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. >>>>> IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical >>>>> to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the >>>>> gold plating of various parts -- including the front >>>>> panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such >>>>> as heads. >>>>> >>>>> I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance >>>>> (including long term). As to part selection, it depends >>>>> on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi >>>>> tended to use good quality components, this is also >>>>> a rather moot point. >>>>> >>>>> Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may >>>>> sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability >>>>> this is a function of the specific decks. Some other >>>>> 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or >>>>> the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs >>>>> may sound different, depending on condition, age, >>>>> amount of previous use, etc., etc.. >>>>> >>>>> -- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Willy Hermann Services wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the >>>>>> chance to do any listening to a limited and >>>>>> didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am >>>>>> anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a >>>>>> standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I >>>>>> may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of >>>>>> building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the >>>>>> Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we >>>>>> have not created a good source for replacement heads. >>>>>> Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >>>>>> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about >>>>>> Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: >>>>>> [naktalk] Fwd: >>>>>> The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner >>>>>> is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit >>>>>> of long term listening? I believe you might uncover >>>>>> differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. >>>>>> The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but >>>>>> (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, >>>>>> and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a >>>>>> while to find a recording that will yield differences. I >>>>>> can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct >>>>>> speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 >>>>>> years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock >>>>>> Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon >>>>>> head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all >>>>>> Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a >>>>>> classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom >>>>>> brucker -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, >>>>>>> 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The >>>>>>> Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And >>>>>> the Winner is..........Read on. >>>>>>> --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" >>>>>>> wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I >>>>>>> decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise >>>>>>> saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I >>>>>>> promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the >>>>>>> Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super >>>>>>> decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. >>>>>>> I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to >>>>>>> comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh >>>>>>> C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair >>>>>>> of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power >>>>>>> amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and >>>>>>> the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors >>>>>>> to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, >>>>>>> again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. >>>>>>> The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of >>>>>>> a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. >>>>>>> The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the >>>>>>> DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms >>>>>>> of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The >>>>>>> Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with >>>>>>> this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type >>>>>>> II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the >>>>>>> machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously >>>>>>> from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, >>>>>>> however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the >>>>>>> sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively >>>>>>> (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. >>>>>>> was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the >>>>>>> listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the >>>>>>> difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was >>>>>>> done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and >>>>>>> the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. >>>>>>> Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as >>>>>>> compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back >>>>>>> the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, >>>>>>> the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape >>>>>>> recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play >>>>>>> back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, >>>>>>> the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on >>>>>>> both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's >>>>>>> bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I >>>>>>> picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in >>>>>>> each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. >>>>>>> The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of >>>>>>> the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I >>>>>>> gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to >>>>>>> Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony >>>>>>> etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. >>>>>>> period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC- >>>>>>> K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on >>>>>>> my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released >>>>>>> by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this >>>>>>> was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored >>>>>>> 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the >>>>>>> exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than >>>>>>> the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the >>>>>>> Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source >>>>>>> playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear >>>>>>> difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back >>>>>>> via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of >>>>>>> punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD >>>>>>> ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport >>>>>>> when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt >>>>>>> driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very >>>>>>> very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock >>>>>>> Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics >>>>>>> of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the >>>>>>> transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of >>>>>>> transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power >>>>>>> supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this >>>>>>> motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. >>>>>>> It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok >>>>>>> ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f >>>>>>> numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now >>>>>>> await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try >>>>>>> it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have >>>>>>> another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a >>>>>>> great day listening and recording and writing this! Back >>>>>>> to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. >>>>>>> Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- >>>>>>> = >>>>>>> =======--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>>> >>>>>>> = >>>>>>> =======--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> = >>>>>>> =======--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> ========= >>>>>> Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 12 16:19:35 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:19:35 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] RC449, 4558 AND 4560 OP AMPS IN NAKAMICHI 700ZXE AND 1000ZXL Message-ID: <32533033.1229095175997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Dec 12 16:53:07 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:53:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] I got myself a 1000ZXL but .... Message-ID: <81617E5F-1BFD-4164-ADE2-79F0431095B3@peromarta.org> Gents, The 1000zxl arrived today in certainly poor form. I am starting with the transport. It needed clenaing, relubbing an of course a new tyre. FF and REW are strong now :) Everything seems fine now, except my capstan motor NOT turning . Voltages at CN33 seems right with strong 12V. Ideas? Thanks a lot and best rgds, LP. From luis at peromarta.org Fri Dec 12 17:20:58 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:20:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: I got myself a 1000ZXL but .... In-Reply-To: <81617E5F-1BFD-4164-ADE2-79F0431095B3@peromarta.org> References: <81617E5F-1BFD-4164-ADE2-79F0431095B3@peromarta.org> Message-ID: Gents, Tom Bruker has been giving me some ideas. Only to find the wire into the motor was disconnected. The moror is now turning. Thanks! El 12/12/2008, a las 16:53, Luis Peromarta escribió: > Gents, > > The 1000zxl arrived today in certainly poor form. > > I am starting with the transport. It needed clenaing, relubbing an > of course a new tyre. FF and REW are strong now :) > > Everything seems fine now, except my capstan motor NOT turning . > > Voltages at CN33 seems right with strong 12V. > > Ideas? > > Thanks a lot and best rgds, LP. > From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Dec 12 16:12:22 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:12:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RC449, 4558 AND 4560 OP AMPS IN NAKAMICHI 700ZXE AND 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49427F56.1050106@verizon.net> Ali, This can be explained by a phenomenon known as 'typo'. Wherever I said '1449', I meant RC4559, Wherever I sad '1448' I mean 'RC4558'. This can happen when I type something fast, think of one thing but type another. Sorry about the confusion. IIRC, the difference between the RC4558 and RC4559 is in the higher open loop gain and faster slew rate of the latter. In all probability, they are the same chips, but separated into separate bins based on characteristics.This is common practice in SS manufacturing. I assume the RC4559 was a bit more expensive. The higher open loop gain does not increase gain of the final circuit, but makes for improved accuracy, so the RC4559 would be used in more critical applications, where a closer approximation to an 'ideal' op-amp is advantageous. Generally, one may replace a RC4558 with a RC4559 with no ill effects, but not necessarily viced versa. The RC4560 seems to be very similar to the others, but is faster and has a slightly lower noise than both . It would be used where a faster slew rate is required. I would not replace it with an RC4559 IC. You can download spec sheets for all three ICs (I have JRC's specs for these devices, under the same number with NJM replacing the RC prefix). Compare specs, one by one, rather than just take someone's word that one IC is 'better' than another. -- Ron BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Ron , The op amps in the 700ZXE and the 1000ZXL are marked RC 4559 > , RC4558 and RC 4560 you mentioned 1449 I didn't see any op amp in > these two machines with the number, maybe I am missing something?! > Also since you seem very knowledgeable maybe you can shed some light > as to why?! nakamichi has placed the RC4558 in someplaces and RC 4559 > and RC 4650 in other location there must be reason for doing so. I > asked Bala the same question maybe you might be knowing the difference > among the these 3 op amps mentioned above. I have a batch of each of > the above amp and I was thinking of replacing the RC 4560 and the RC > 4558 with only the RC 4559 which Bala mentions has better > performance. Thanks for your kind help in trying to understand these > op amps. With Best Regards! Ali > > In a message dated 12/11/2008 12:11:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > ra.ah at verizon.net writes: > > > Not exactly, Tom. The ideal op-amp model is the basis for any > design with > op-amps. Those that do not understand it cannot understand op-amp > circuits, it's that simple. This has nothing to do with > *embracing* a concept , > it's about *understanding* it. > > Once an op-amp circuit is designed, the engineer may need to > account for > discrepancies of the actual op-amp vs. the non-existent ideal. > This is what > the specific op-amp specs are for. Fortunately, even first > generation op-amps > were close enough to the ideal model, so this was only required > for specific > critical applications. Run of the mill audio amplification was > never one of > those. > > The bottom line of all this is that -- unlike what Bala imagines > -- there was no > specific optimization for 1449 ICs in Nak PB amps. You can drop > any op-amp > \with at least the same specs into the circuit and get the same > (possibly, > measurably better) performance. Yes, to be rigorous one should > look at the > specs, just to make sure, but in practice this is hardly necessary. > > For example, modern op-amps tend to have a higher slew rate. This is > goodness, but one may want to verify that the new op-amp will be > stable -- the > specs and/or applications notes will tell you that. IME, no > component changes > were ever necessary Replacing 1449s (2V/uS) with an OPA2134s > (20V/uS) > caused no instability problems whatsoever, due to the latter chip > better internal > compensation (but, of course, the higher slew rate resulted in > improvement of > transient intemodulation distortion). This is why I asked Bala > what component, > exactly, he felt should be changed. > > Phew... This came out longer than expected... Sorry... > > -- Ron > > > > Tom Brucker wrote: >> >> Ron, Bala, and all, >> >> There is the concept of the "ideal" opamp which Ron embraces. >> There is the "real world" opamp, which Bala embraces. Both are >> useful fodder for discussion, but neither will win! Remeber >> that specs do not tell the story, nor do A/B listening tests. >> Some audio components are prized for their additive or >> subtractive distortions. I keep my sanity by focusing more on >> good sound and less on the absolute power of engineering! >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron >> Sent: Dec 10, 2008 8:43 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion >> >> >> That, again, is inaccurate. >> >> Let's take a look at a representative amp circuit. The negative >> input series and feedback resistors set the gain. You certainly >> do not want to change these. The positive input resistor is >> there >> to equalize offset current -- since the other resistors are not >> changed, this one shouldn't be changed, either (though, due to >> lowered offset current in the modern op-amp, it's value may be >> is less critical). There are no compensation components, as they >> are all internal to the IC. What else is there to change? >> >> You also say, "The circuit was designed to take maximum >> advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input and output >> sections."Huh??? what, exactly, did they do to 'optimize' the >> circuit? >> >> Don't forget, the new op-amp has lower noise, higher input >> impedance, lower output impedance, lower offset voltage and >> current. better supply rejection etc.. This makes it closer >> to the >> ideal op-amp model.. Would you name even one component >> that needs to change? >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> Hi Bill, >>> >>> I think you have got it right there. The circuit >>> was designed to take maximum advantage of the 4559, taking >>> into account the input and output sections. The circuit was >>> also optimized for very low noise. While plugging any modern >>> pin-compatible op-amp will work, you would not get the ideal >>> performance unless the related components are re-examined. >>> >>> Rgds, >>> Bala >>> >>> */The Greenleaf's /* wrote: >>> >>> Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct >>> points. When replacing older generation op amps there >>> are several things to consider. Ron is correct in >>> pointing out that you "normally" don't need to >>> re-examine component values in the circuits. However, >>> the stickler is whether the original circuit designers >>> properly accounted for the inherent stability >>> breakpoints of the op amp itself. The newer op amps >>> have significantly higher gain-bandwidth that cause >>> stability issues, not necessarily with the op amp itself >>> but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is >>> to carefully examine any circuit in which part >>> substitutions are taking place. Careful substitutions >>> can work wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we >>> all desire. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Ron >>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. >>> the Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. >>> >>> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>> Hi Ali, >>>> >>>> The cap changes are ok, but before you change the >>>> 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback >>>> amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. >>>> Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the >>>> circuit unless component values are worked out again >>> >>> That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs >>> (are you sure it's not OP27*5*? The OP27 is not pin >>> compatible, nor is it intended specifically for >>> audio) but >>> the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in >>> another >>> type will not 'totally [or even partially] change >>> the circuit'. >>> You *will* have to evaluate specs for stability and AC >>> characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' >>> component >>> values. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> I would suggest trying to get the deck to work >>>> prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice >>>> sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the >>>> ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most >>>> important thing is to work on the caps in order to >>>> ensure that the nose floor remains low and >>>> transient response is preserved. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Bala >>>> >>>> */boeing747600 at aol.com/* wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i >>>> couldnt agree more with your email . I just >>>> got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the >>>> mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a >>>> try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of >>>> the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this >>>> is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so >>>> in his email back in 2006 , I am just now >>>> getting time to replace the caps after such a >>>> longtime. I am very excited! I know it should >>>> sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd >>>> revision ones mentioned in the service manual. >>>> Thanks! Ali >>>> >>>> >>>> .....Read on. >>>> >>>> >>>> Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. >>>> IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was >>>> identical >>>> to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the >>>> gold plating of various parts -- including the >>>> front >>>> panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, >>>> such >>>> as heads. >>>> >>>> I don't believe gold plating has any sonic >>>> significance >>>> (including long term). As to part selection, it >>>> depends >>>> on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi >>>> tended to use good quality components, this is >>>> also >>>> a rather moot point. >>>> >>>> Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's >>>> LTD may >>>> sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all >>>> probability >>>> this is a function of the specific decks. Some >>>> other >>>> 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or >>>> the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' >>>> 1000ZXLs >>>> may sound different, depending on condition, age, >>>> amount of previous use, etc., etc.. >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Willy Hermann Services wrote: >>>>> Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and >>>>> didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: >>>>> The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And >>>>> the Winner is..........Read on. >>>>>> --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the >>>>>> Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with >>>>>> this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape >>>>>> recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this >>>>>> was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of >>>>>> transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. 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URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Dec 12 16:20:50 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:20:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion In-Reply-To: <854ADE9C620F4F9286FBCE1E3B6C3BE0@wtgd24g> References: <510873.11668.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com><493EEDE6.70900@verizon.net><493FCF11.7070902@verizon.net><6CD38C538B9047A59C639B6CED04E180@wtgd24g><3D6EFB9DE9AB47E8871FB11DF3EC4185@EmilysPC> <9A896877-93BF-4584-963B-9B094ABB175F@kvglabs.com> <854ADE9C620F4F9286FBCE1E3B6C3BE0@wtgd24g> Message-ID: <49428152.6060009@verizon.net> I chuckled over Kermit's answer. He answered the exact question about what is a pole, which was right to the point. I answered what it was good for, which is what I *thought* the poster wanted to know. When asked what time it is, I do have the tendency to explain how to build a watch :-). -- Ron The Greenleaf's wrote: > Kermit & Ron, > You both expressed the concepts much better than I managed. Thanks. > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Kermit Gray > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:02 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion > > Hi Terry, > > In very simple terms, the pole is the frequency at which the > high-end response of the opamp falls off (the "corner frequency"). > In most circuits, this is caused by the inherent capacitance of > the opamp itself interacting with the feedback resistor, creating, > in effect, a low-pass filter (like a treble cut filter, if you will). > > When upgrading to a "better" opamp, you'll usually encounter the > new opamp has lower capacitance (a.k.a. Miller capacitance, named > for the number of beers you drink while solving the problems it > causes); therefore the frequency created (the pole) shifts to a > different [corner] frequency (often a higher frequency). This can > cause instability (different phase response, ringing, oscillation, > &c.) in a circuit that was previously stable. The typical fix is > to change the compensation capacitor often wired in parallel with > the feedback resistor, the value of feedback resistor itself, or > both. Certain opamps have specific circuit requirements for > stability, spelled out in their data sheets, changing those > circuit elements is the fix when those opamps are substituted. > > An OP27 has far lower capacitance than a 4559, so this sort of > compensation for the difference is almost assured. The opamps used > in avionics operate at far higher frequencies than do opamps used > in an audio device, so the problems caused by "the pole" (the > corner frequency) are even more acute. > > By the way, the same thing occurs with discrete circuits that > feature inverse feedback (negative feedback) elements, whether > solid-state or valve/tube. Look closely at better-designed > circuits and you'll see the compensation for Miller capacitance > and the inherent pole caused by it and interaction with the > feedback resistor. This is why spec sheets for valve state > "inter-electrode capacitances" and for transistors state Miller > capacitance -- you need the information to compensate the > circuit's pole correctly. > > On Dec 11, 2008, at 2:59 AM, Terry Finn wrote: > >> Forgive my ignorance but, what is this” Inherent pole/phantom >> pole” you refer to? >> Terry >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On Behalf Of *The Greenleaf's >> *Sent:* 11 December 2008 00:20 >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion >> Ron & Bala, >> Seeing your responses maybe I'll elaborate on my comments. I >> work with avionics and we have had several cases where we needed >> to replace obsolete op amps in either audio or control loop >> applications. When we used the newer op amps, including those >> with FET input stages we found that the circuits did not perform >> as well as the original circuits until we added components to >> recreate the inherent pole included in the original op amp due to >> the restricted gain bandwidth product. Ron, you certainly could >> make the case that this is related to the original designer >> overlooking a key characteristic of the design process but I >> would suspect that most designs of that era (early 70's to late >> 80's) could potentially exhibit similar behaviors. I agree that >> the surrounding components should be fine as is but it is the >> phantom pole in the original op amp that may need to be >> compensated with the newer op amp. >> > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at eslabs.com Fri Dec 12 17:27:10 2008 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:27:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl References: Message-ID: Hi Ali, Japan Radio Corporation(JRC) is the brand that Nakamichi usually used for their decks! Not all 4558 are alike! Note that Nakamichi usually used the pre-selected JRC "DD" version for the audio path. OP AMPS http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=4131 NJM4558 & NJM4559 http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=6704 NJM4560 http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=5289 NJM4580 These might work OK in some applications. They are a much newer version and have better specs. http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=152 I always use JRC brand IC's wherever I perform a repair or design a circuit. They work great and much better then other brands. These are available from www.mouser.com Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ------------------------------------------------------- ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, include this e-mail within your reply. ------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl Hi Bala, Ron and Kermit, I have decided to replace each old RC 4558, RC 4559 and the RC 4560 with the same one! on each PCB where they are located after reading your posting. Thanks specially to Bala and Kermit for taking time out from their busy schedule to help us novice understand somewhat what these op amps are and how they work , these great guys have some very extraordinary brains indeed!:) With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 12/12/2008 2:54:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Hi Bill, You have put out my thoughts verbatim although I chose to explain myself in another light which didn't seem to communicate my thoughts too well. As part of my efforts on resurrecting my first ZXL in late 2004, I undertook a thorough understanding of the system which led to have a tremendous appreciation of the level of engineering poured into equipment of that generation. While their digital design methods were somewhat archaic, their analog design was meticulous and way ahead of their time. The RC4558 and RC4559 were first generation op-amps available ever but to think that they were able to achieve that level of performance is simple amazing. Because such detailed work was put into getting the best possible performance, again much thought must be given in prior to making any changes which may or may not be for the better. Rgds, Bala The Greenleaf's wrote: Ron & Bala, Seeing your responses maybe I'll elaborate on my comments. I work with avionics and we have had several cases where we needed to replace obsolete op amps in either audio or control loop applications. When we used the newer op amps, including those with FET input stages we found that the circuits did not perform as well as the original circuits until we added components to recreate the inherent pole included in the original op amp due to the restricted gain bandwidth product. Ron, you certainly could make the case that this is related to the original designer overlooking a key characteristic of the design process but I would suspect that most designs of that era (early 70's to late 80's) could potentially exhibit similar behaviors. I agree that the surrounding components should be fine as is but it is the phantom pole in the original op amp that may need to be compensated with the newer op amp. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion No argument, Bill, except to point out that newer op-amps (while indeed of wider bandwidth and higher slew rate), incorporate internal compensation and tend to have better stability than vintage designs. This is especially true for op-amps intended specifically for audio work, such as the OP-275 under discussion. I agree that one should be reasonably careful. It does make sense to look at and compare such things as output impedance, drive capability, even supply current requirements, etc. However, I sincerely doubt that replacing a 1449 with a modern audio specific FET input op-amp will not improve performance (though probably, not audibly). Several years ago I conducted an informal listening test, comparing a high quality track played straight though the system, vs. same track, but with a CR-7. monitoring loop, with its myriad of op-amps, inserted in the path (no recording, just source monitoring). None of the listeners could tell the difference. This leads me to believe that improving the op-amps will not making a audible difference. BTW, I know Stephen Sank (and others -- were enamoured of the OP275. Personally, I prefer the OPA2134. A bit cheaper than the OP275, it's a pin for pin replacement for the 1449. As used in line stage and phono stage circuits, it sounded great, assuming one enjoys very pure, analytical presentation. -- Ron The Greenleaf's wrote: Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When replacing older generation op amps there are several things to consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron . I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. 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He answered the exact question about what is a pole, which was right to the point. I answered what it was good for, which is what I thought the poster wanted to know. When asked what time it is, I do have the tendency to explain how to build a watch :-). -- Ron The Greenleaf's wrote: Kermit & Ron, You both expressed the concepts much better than I managed. Thanks. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion Hi Terry, In very simple terms, the pole is the frequency at which the high-end response of the opamp falls off (the "corner frequency"). In most circuits, this is caused by the inherent capacitance of the opamp itself interacting with the feedback resistor, creating, in effect, a low-pass filter (like a treble cut filter, if you will). When upgrading to a "better" opamp, you'll usually encounter the new opamp has lower capacitance (a.k.a. Miller capacitance, named for the number of beers you drink while solving the problems it causes); therefore the frequency created (the pole) shifts to a different [corner] frequency (often a higher frequency). This can cause instability (different phase response, ringing, oscillation, &c.) in a circuit that was previously stable. The typical fix is to change the compensation capacitor often wired in parallel with the feedback resistor, the value of feedback resistor itself, or both. Certain opamps have specific circuit requirements for stability, spelled out in their data sheets, changing those circuit elements is the fix when those opamps are substituted. An OP27 has far lower capacitance than a 4559, so this sort of compensation for the difference is almost assured. The opamps used in avionics operate at far higher frequencies than do opamps used in an audio device, so the problems caused by "the pole" (the corner frequency) are even more acute. By the way, the same thing occurs with discrete circuits that feature inverse feedback (negative feedback) elements, whether solid-state or valve/tube. Look closely at better-designed circuits and you'll see the compensation for Miller capacitance and the inherent pole caused by it and interaction with the feedback resistor. This is why spec sheets for valve state "inter-electrode capacitances" and for transistors state Miller capacitance -- you need the information to compensate the circuit's pole correctly. On Dec 11, 2008, at 2:59 AM, Terry Finn wrote: Forgive my ignorance but, what is this" Inherent pole/phantom pole" you refer to? Terry _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of The Greenleaf's Sent: 11 December 2008 00:20 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion Ron & Bala, Seeing your responses maybe I'll elaborate on my comments. I work with avionics and we have had several cases where we needed to replace obsolete op amps in either audio or control loop applications. When we used the newer op amps, including those with FET input stages we found that the circuits did not perform as well as the original circuits until we added components to recreate the inherent pole included in the original op amp due to the restricted gain bandwidth product. Ron, you certainly could make the case that this is related to the original designer overlooking a key characteristic of the design process but I would suspect that most designs of that era (early 70's to late 80's) could potentially exhibit similar behaviors. 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URL: From boeing747600 at aol.com Fri Dec 12 18:37:36 2008 From: boeing747600 at aol.com (boeing747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:37:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB2A9774D65566-15A0-C18@mblk-d41.sysops.aol.com> Hi Jeff, Thanks for your kind insight these op amps, incidentally the RC 4559, 4558 and 4560??that arrived in mail?? yesterday?were ordered?from mouser electronics. I havent got time yet to see wether they are JRC, I have always wondered what JRC stood for!:) now I know what it means! I think the tech who walk me thourgh the order was mentioning that these were going to be TI texas instruments op amps ,? after reading your email? I dont know what to do with these in case if they really are TI op amps and not JRC ?they have sent, please advise! and thanks for taking time to answer my email it much appreciated I know you must be very busy man!? Thanks!? With Best Regards!? ali -----Original Message----- From: jeff at eslabs.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:27 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl Hi Ali, ? Japan Radio Corporation(JRC)?is the?brand that Nakamichi usually used for their?decks!? Not all 4558 are alike! ? Note that Nakamichi usually used the pre-selected?JRC "DD" version for the audio path. ? OP AMPS http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=4131 ? NJM4558 & NJM4559 http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=6704 ? NJM4560 http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=5289 ? NJM4580? These might work OK in some applications.? They are a much newer version?and have?better specs.? http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=152 ? I always use JRC brand?IC's wherever I perform a repair or design a circuit.? They work great and much better then other brands. ? These are available from www.mouser.com ? Sincerely, Jeff Galin ? "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut? 06109? USA By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 ?jeff at nakamichi.us??? jeff at eslabs.com ???????????????? www.nakamichi.us ------------------------------------------------------- ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, include this e-mail within your reply. ------------------------------------------------------- ? ----- Original Message ----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl Hi Bala, Ron and Kermit,? I have decided to replace each old RC 4558, RC 4559 and the RC 4560 with the same one! on each? PCB where they are located after reading your posting. Thanks specially to Bala and Kermit? for taking time out from their busy schedule to help us novice understand somewhat what these op amps are and how they work , these great guys have some very extraordinary brains indeed!:)? With Best Regards! Ali ? In a message dated 12/12/2008 2:54:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Hi Bill, ? You have put out my thoughts verbatim although I?chose to explain myself in another light which didn't seem to?communicate my thoughts too well.??As part of?my efforts on resurrecting my first ZXL in late 2004, I undertook a thorough understanding of the system which led to have a tremendous appreciation of the level of engineering poured into equipment?of that generation. ? While their digital design methods were somewhat archaic, their analog design was meticulous and way ahead of their time. The RC4558 and RC4559 were first generation op-amps available ever but to think that they were able to achieve that level of performance is simple amazing.? ? Because such detailed work was put into getting the best possible performance, again much thought must be given in prior to making any changes which may or may not be for the better. ? Rgds, Bala ? The Greenleaf's wrote: Ron & Bala, Seeing your responses maybe I'll elaborate on my comments.? I work with avionics and we have had several cases where we needed to replace obsolete op amps in either audio or control loop applications.? When we used the newer op amps, including those with FET input stages we found that the circuits did not perform as well as the original circuits until we added components to recreate the inherent pole included in the original op amp due to the restricted gain bandwidth product.? Ron, you certainly could make the case that this is related to the original designer overlooking a key characteristic of the design process but I would suspect that most designs of that era (early 70's to late 80's) could potentially exhibit similar behaviors.? I agree that the surrounding components should be fine as is but it is the phantom pole in the original op amp that may need to be compensated with the newer op amp. ? Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion No argument, Bill, except to point out that newer op-amps (while indeed of wider bandwidth and higher slew rate), incorporate internal compensation and tend to have better stability than vintage designs. This is especially true for op-amps intended specifically for audio work, such as the OP-275 under discussion. I agree that one should be reasonably careful. It does make sense to look at and compare such things as output impedance, drive capability, even supply current requirements, etc. However, I sincerely doubt that replacing a 1449 with a modern audio specific FET input op-amp will not improve performance (though probably, not audibly). Several years ago I conducted an informal listening test, comparing a high quality track played straight though the system, vs. same track, but with a CR-7. monitoring loop, with its myriad of op-amps, inserted in the path (no recording, just source monitoring). None of the listeners could tell the difference. This leads me to believe that improving the op-amps will not making a audible difference. BTW, I know Stephen Sank (and others -- were enamoured of the OP275. Personally, I prefer the OPA2134. A bit cheaper than the OP275, it's a pin for pin replacement for the 1449. As used in line stage and phono stage circuits, it sounded great, assuming one enjoys very pure, analytical presentation. -- Ron The Greenleaf's wrote: Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points.? When replacing older generation op amps there are several things to consider.? Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits.? However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the op amp itself.? The newer op amps have significantly higher gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op amp itself but the overall signal chain.? The obvious solution is to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are taking place.? Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. ? Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ali, ? The cap changes?are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron . ? I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. ? Regards, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Ron,? You are absolutely! right there!? I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got? my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!)?and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality? 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of? Luis who told me to do so in his ?email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited!? I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel --? and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts? Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL? may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hea r any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the s uperior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. 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URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 19:42:02 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:42:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <8CB2A9774D65566-15A0-C18@mblk-d41.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB2A9774D65566-15A0-C18@mblk-d41.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10812121042i13540545j246542d2710a6dd5@mail.gmail.com> Ali, There must be something wrong with your email settings, all your messages (and subsequent replies) seem to stretch endlessly to the right, at least two-three screen widths away. It can't be me, since all other emails I receive are OK. Could you please have a look and fix that ? Thanks, George On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:37 PM, wrote: > Hi Jeff, Thanks for your kind insight these op amps, incidentally the RC > 4559, 4558 and 4560 that arrived in mail yesterday were ordered from > mouser electronics. I havent got time yet to see wether they are JRC, I have > always wondered what JRC stood for!:) now I know what it means! I think the > tech who walk me thourgh the order was mentioning that these were going to > be TI texas instruments op amps , after reading your email I dont know > what to do with these in case if they really are TI op amps and not JRC > they have sent, please advise! and thanks for taking time to answer my > email it much appreciated I know you must be very busy man! Thanks! With > Best Regards! ali > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeff at eslabs.com > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:27 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the > 700zxeand 1000zxl > > Hi Ali, > > Japan Radio Corporation(JRC) is the brand that Nakamichi usually used for > their decks! Not all 4558 are alike! > > Note that Nakamichi usually used the pre-selected JRC "DD" version for the > audio path. > > OP AMPS > http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=4131 > > NJM4558 & NJM4559 > http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=6704 > > NJM4560 > http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=5289 > > NJM4580 These might work OK in some applications. They are a much newer > version and have better specs. > http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=152 > > I always use JRC brand IC's wherever I perform a repair or design a > circuit. They work great and much better then other brands. > > These are available from www.mouser.com > > Sincerely, > Jeff Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST > VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > www.nakamichi.us > ------------------------------------------------------- > ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, > include this e-mail within your reply. > ------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BOEING747600 at aol.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:08 AM > Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the > 700zxeand 1000zxl > Hi Bala, Ron and Kermit, I have decided to replace each old RC 4558, RC > 4559 and the RC 4560 with the same one! on each PCB where they are located > after reading your posting. Thanks specially to Bala and Kermit for taking > time out from their busy schedule to help us novice understand somewhat what > these op amps are and how they work , these great guys have some very > extraordinary brains indeed!:) With Best Regards! Ali > > In a message dated 12/12/2008 2:54:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: > > Hi Bill, > > You have put out my thoughts verbatim although I chose to explain myself in > another light which didn't seem to communicate my thoughts too well. As > part of my efforts on resurrecting my first ZXL in late 2004, I undertook a > thorough understanding of the system which led to have a tremendous > appreciation of the level of engineering poured into equipment of that > generation. > > While their digital design methods were somewhat archaic, their analog > design was meticulous and way ahead of their time. The RC4558 and RC4559 > were first generation op-amps available ever but to think that they were > able to achieve that level of performance is simple amazing. > > Because such detailed work was put into getting the best possible > performance, again much thought must be given in prior to making any changes > which may or may not be for the better. > > Rgds, > Bala > > The Greenleaf's wrote: > > Ron & Bala, > Seeing your responses maybe I'll elaborate on my comments. I work with > avionics and we have had several cases where we needed to replace obsolete > op amps in either audio or control loop applications. When we used the > newer op amps, including those with FET input stages we found that the > circuits did not perform as well as the original circuits until we added > components to recreate the inherent pole included in the original op amp due > to the restricted gain bandwidth product. Ron, you certainly could make the > case that this is related to the original designer overlooking a key > characteristic of the design process but I would suspect that most designs > of that era (early 70's to late 80's) could potentially exhibit similar > behaviors. I agree that the surrounding components should be fine as is but > it is the phantom pole in the original op amp that may need to be > compensated with the newer op amp. > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:15 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion > > No argument, Bill, except to point out that newer op-amps (while > indeed of wider bandwidth and higher slew rate), incorporate internal > compensation and tend to have better stability than vintage designs. > This is especially true for op-amps intended specifically for audio > work, such as the OP-275 under discussion. > > I agree that one should be reasonably careful. It does make sense > to look at and compare such things as output impedance, drive > capability, even supply current requirements, etc. However, I > sincerely doubt that replacing a 1449 with a modern audio specific > FET input op-amp will not improve performance (though probably, > not audibly). > > Several years ago I conducted an informal listening test, > comparing a high quality track played straight though the > system, vs. same track, but with a CR-7. monitoring loop, > with its myriad of op-amps, inserted in the path (no > recording, just source monitoring). None of the listeners > could tell the difference. This leads me to believe that > improving the op-amps will not making a audible difference. > > BTW, I know Stephen Sank (and others -- were > enamoured of the OP275. Personally, I prefer the > OPA2134. A bit cheaper than the OP275, it's a pin for > pin replacement for the 1449. As used in line stage and > phono stage circuits, it sounded great, assuming one > enjoys very pure, analytical presentation. > > -- Ron > > > > > The Greenleaf's wrote: > > Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When replacing > older generation op amps there are several things to consider. Ron is > correct in pointing out that you "normally" don't need to re-examine > component values in the circuits. However, the stickler is whether the > original circuit designers properly accounted for the inherent stability > breakpoints of the op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly > higher gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the > op amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is to > carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are taking place. > Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we > all desire. > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. > AndtheWinner is..........Read on. > Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > > Hi Ali, > > The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word > of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. > Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component > values are worked out again > > That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs > (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin > compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but > the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another > type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. > You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC > characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component > values. > > -- Ron > > > . > > I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. > The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL > has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the > caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient > response is preserved. > > Regards, > Bala > > boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your > email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi > Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of > the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis > who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time > to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it > should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned > in the service manual. Thanks! Ali > > > .....Read on. > > > Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. > IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical > to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the > gold plating of various parts -- including the front > panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such > as heads. > > I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance > (including long term). As to part selection, it depends > on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi > tended to use good quality components, this is also > a rather moot point. > > Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may > sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability > this is a function of the specific decks. Some other > 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or > the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs > may sound different, depending on condition, age, > amount of previous use, etc., etc.. > > -- Ron > > > > > Willy Hermann Services wrote: > > Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do > any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that > different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a > standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have > your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL > test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used > the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement > heads. Willy -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The > Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. > Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe > you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and > strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but > (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be > instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while! > to find a recording that will > yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt > drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say > 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. > This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the > classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace > an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). > tom brucker -----Original Message----- > > From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the > Cmparison is DOne. And > > the Winner is..........Read on. > > --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: > Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of > it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. > I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited > and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 > unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck > was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the > McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of > B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The > interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre ! > and the power amp are connected > via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh > MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The > following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded > on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as > expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second > trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and > the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as > compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes > and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano > on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here > too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound > was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only > relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It > took a couple > of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the > difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There > was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a > copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter > on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played > back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the > Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD > deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better > than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much > silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's > bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up > some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the > Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no > advantage of the > DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I > gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, > Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. > The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on > my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were > on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by > record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I > played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very > comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( > smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, > whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source > playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the > electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited > sounded more open, smoother, > full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. > The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) > when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To > conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound > better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior > electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the > transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of > transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line > from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control > does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus > of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f > numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your > comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I > used the Limited because I did > not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great > day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... > Thanks for reading this wordy note. Regards, Ram --- End forwarded > message --- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Start Listening Now! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 21:18:45 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:18:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <518b7b10812121042i13540545j246542d2710a6dd5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <693116.83145.qm@web50511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I'm getting that too. I think it is just one user and the others are picking up the setting when hitting reply. Tom's message are usually fine, but in the recent thread with Bala etc. are often off the screen... --- On Fri, 12/12/08, george valkov wrote: > From: george valkov > Subject: Re: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 10:42 AM > Ali, > > There must be something wrong with your email settings, all > your > messages (and subsequent replies) seem to stretch endlessly > to the > right, at least two-three screen widths away. It can't > be me, since > all other emails I receive are OK. Could you please have a > look and > fix that ? > > Thanks, > George > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Dec 12 21:24:02 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:24:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <8CB2A9774D65566-15A0-C18@mblk-d41.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB2A9774D65566-15A0-C18@mblk-d41.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910812121224q7a4f0708iac215dd1667b61e2@mail.gmail.com> There are several manufacturers building 4558 opamps. I don't know if JRC's version is significantly better than the others, but they're supposed to be equivalents. 2008/12/12 : > Hi Jeff, Thanks for your kind insight these op amps, incidentally the RC > 4559, 4558 and 4560 that arrived in mail yesterday were ordered from > mouser electronics. I havent got time yet to see wether they are JRC, I have > always wondered what JRC stood for!:) now I know what it means! I think the > tech who walk me thourgh the order was mentioning that these were going to > be TI texas instruments op amps , after reading your email I dont know > what to do with these in case if they really are TI op amps and not JRC > they have sent, please advise! and thanks for taking time to answer my > email it much appreciated I know you must be very busy man! Thanks! With > Best Regards! ali -- Antoine Deschênes From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Dec 12 22:01:55 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:01:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910812121224q7a4f0708iac215dd1667b61e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB2A9774D65566-15A0-C18@mblk-d41.sysops.aol.com> <17d5ee910812121224q7a4f0708iac215dd1667b61e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Jeff is correct ... the JRC 4558 is definitely better than other brands. The JRC has lower shot/popcorn noise, and its sections seem to be better matched. The worst are the ECG 4558 equivalents (I forget the ECG number). Too noisy, too mismatched and seem more prone to clip than other makes. On Dec 12, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > There are several manufacturers building 4558 opamps. I don't know if > JRC's version is significantly better than the others, but they're > supposed to be equivalents. > > 2008/12/12 : >> Hi Jeff, Thanks for your kind insight these op amps, incidentally >> the RC >> 4559, 4558 and 4560 that arrived in mail yesterday were ordered >> from >> mouser electronics. I havent got time yet to see wether they are >> JRC, I have >> always wondered what JRC stood for!:) now I know what it means! I >> think the >> tech who walk me thourgh the order was mentioning that these were >> going to >> be TI texas instruments op amps , after reading your email I dont >> know >> what to do with these in case if they really are TI op amps and not >> JRC >> they have sent, please advise! and thanks for taking time to answer >> my >> email it much appreciated I know you must be very busy man! >> Thanks! With >> Best Regards! ali > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Dec 12 22:41:09 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:41:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: References: <8CB2A9774D65566-15A0-C18@mblk-d41.sysops.aol.com> <17d5ee910812121224q7a4f0708iac215dd1667b61e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910812121341k217c58d1n3ab5f2f41dcb55c3@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, but those don't count ;-) That reminds me a good one: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=529378#post529378 2008/12/12 Kermit Gray : > Jeff is correct ... the JRC 4558 is definitely better than other brands. The > JRC has lower shot/popcorn noise, and its sections seem to be better > matched. The worst are the ECG 4558 equivalents (I forget the ECG number). > Too noisy, too mismatched and seem more prone to clip than other makes. > > On Dec 12, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > >> There are several manufacturers building 4558 opamps. I don't know if >> JRC's version is significantly better than the others, but they're >> supposed to be equivalents. >> >> 2008/12/12 : >>> >>> Hi Jeff, Thanks for your kind insight these op amps, incidentally the RC >>> 4559, 4558 and 4560 that arrived in mail yesterday were ordered from >>> mouser electronics. I havent got time yet to see wether they are JRC, I >>> have >>> always wondered what JRC stood for!:) now I know what it means! I think >>> the >>> tech who walk me thourgh the order was mentioning that these were going >>> to >>> be TI texas instruments op amps , after reading your email I dont know >>> what to do with these in case if they really are TI op amps and not JRC >>> they have sent, please advise! and thanks for taking time to answer my >>> email it much appreciated I know you must be very busy man! Thanks! >>> With >>> Best Regards! ali >> >> -- >> Antoine Deschênes >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From lenaw at flash.net Sat Dec 13 00:22:51 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:22:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <958596.11185.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Also avoid using the replacement transistors by NTE brand as well. --- On Fri, 12/12/08, Kermit Gray wrote: From: Kermit Gray Subject: Re: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 3:01 PM Jeff is correct ... the JRC 4558 is definitely better than other brands. The JRC has lower shot/popcorn noise, and its sections seem to be better matched. The worst are the ECG 4558 equivalents (I forget the ECG number). Too noisy, too mismatched and seem more prone to clip than other makes. On Dec 12, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > There are several manufacturers building 4558 opamps. I don't know if > JRC's version is significantly better than the others, but they're > supposed to be equivalents. > > 2008/12/12 : >> Hi Jeff, Thanks for your kind insight these op amps, incidentally >> the RC >> 4559, 4558 and 4560 that arrived in mail yesterday were ordered >> from >> mouser electronics. I havent got time yet to see wether they are >> JRC, I have >> always wondered what JRC stood for!:) now I know what it means! I >> think the >> tech who walk me thourgh the order was mentioning that these were >> going to >> be TI texas instruments op amps , after reading your email I dont >> know >> what to do with these in case if they really are TI op amps and not >> JRC >> they have sent, please advise! and thanks for taking time to answer >> my >> email it much appreciated I know you must be very busy man! >> Thanks! 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URL: From chrisdescor at gmail.com Sat Dec 13 07:52:53 2008 From: chrisdescor at gmail.com (Marcus) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:52:53 +0900 Subject: [naktalk] audio examples of different naks Message-ID: hi there, i just recently found out about nakamichi tape decks and have been doing research and all that. I'm looking into getting a really good recorder. i dislike digital equipment for some reason, but I do believe it has its own uniqueness and qualities, but tape also has its own qualities as well etc so i respect both. i want to record music/sounds etc onto tape. i was looking before into getting a 1/4" nagra IV-STC but think i'll wait until i got the money and balls to handle that voluptuous cunt(means good where i'm from) ;) meanwhile, before i get into paying $2000 for a beautiful nagra; which mind you is double the tape width of cassette- 1/4" and possibility more easier to get 1/4" tape than the superior tape cassettes that are no longer made, which are needed for naks; Maxwell? nak tapes? it seems you have to be lucky to get the best tapes as superior tapes for the naks are not being made now? correct or not? so yeah, in the meantime i would like to get a Nakamichi tape deck or two. i've been doing research and it seems to me that perhaps the best nak deck to get would be from the following i've listed, note that i'm considering cost, functionality, regular repair, and sound most importantly to an extent etc etc in no order out of these i think i would like to acquire at least one; CR-7 MR-1 (B is the best of these correct? most functional, best sounding, and better of the MR-1 and MR-2 right?) 1000zxl (safe to assume no time soon, as the prices are quite large, 1500-3000) RX-505 / dragon ZX-9 680 so yeah i'm assuming any of those decks, are adequate for actual unbelievable sound quality, in perfect condition mind you, and with the right tape and all that. since i'm a rookie i at least have a rough idea of the order of quality; 1.)1000zxl 2.)dragon? 3.) not sure which is best in line; i'm thinking CR-7? or zx-9 or 680? and not rx-505? i'm still confused as which ones have what noise reduction features, and what is the best of them for low noise and what not. i see that some of the decks have more IN's and OUT's on the back than others; like the RX-505 having only one stereo(2 plugs) IN, and one stereo OUT, while another has 2 of each. what would be the advantage of having more ins and outs if its just a stereo unit? i'm mainly looking for one for 2 common reasons; 1.) to possibly archive records, mine, and on-loan records(from university music library's stash of avant garde LPS) 2.) to master friends' and my own compositions, rather than on computer, cheap shit CD-R's or just .wavs that never get love on a hard format. so making music/compositions/interviews?/copies of this or that, field recordings put through onto tape(all this the sort of stuff i would do with a nagra). so a nice cassette deck that has really really good sound quality, hopefully low low noise, but just a bit. it seems a bit odd that no naks play at 9.5cm/s ? and that some dont/or most dont have Dolby noise reduction? - forgive this rookie. i sort of need a diagram with each of these naks alongside each other, with technical as well as human comparisons of each nak and their specs and functions and advantages. note that i dont have money for a 1000zxl or nagra currently. but if i come across a really good nak, that an experienced nak user here can guide me on-recommending its worth etc, i think i would be willing to spend at most $1300-$1400, but i think more realistically $600-$1000. ok, so if anyone here could help me/teach me what i should know that i dont already, i'd extremely appreciate it. also i have been searching the net for examples/audio samples of nak units, to hear their differences(i understand each unit is unique in itself). but haven't found anything! so i ask of any of you nak-philes, if you could be able to record something at the best quality on your specific nak, on the best tape, and record it onto your computer raw in a nice short wav file and post it here, so that I and many others might be able to hear the differences between the different naks. i'd be excited to hear the sound and quality of the 1000zxl LTD/gold! cheers!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The multiple outputs/inputs  are on the 1000ZXL, 700ZXE, 700ZXL series decks for routing sound to an external noise reduction encoding and decoding unit like the nAK nr-100, Hi-COM II, or dbx. Considering your requirement and budget constraints, your best bang for the buck would be a ZX9 in superb condition. If you can find one expect to plunk $1000-1200 for a decent one. You might need some service for sure. If that might offend your pocket, a Dragon would do the job at $600-800. Try ebay and estimate spending a few hundred dollars to get it into specs. The deck ideal for you mic recordings would be the 1000ZXL but thats going to be pricey. An advantage would be the ability to use and external noise reduction easily annd, moreover, these decks have three mike inputs too! I do not want you to hear the Limited because it is  like cocaine. Very addictive sound! Nothing else will sound as good, let alone better. Moreover a Limited's sound can not and should not be compressed and digitized my friend, just out of sheer respect for its makers. May be some day we might organize a Nak listening festival and audition the mighty Limited along woth other great Naks. Good luck on your quest. I leave you with a warning that this is very addictive and a compulsive pursuit!......never ending. Regards, Ram --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Marcus wrote: From: Marcus Subject: [naktalk] audio examples of different naks To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 1:52 AM hi there, i just recently found out about nakamichi tape decks and have been doing research and all that. I'm looking into getting a really good recorder. i dislike digital equipment for some reason, but I do believe it has its own uniqueness and qualities, but tape also has its own qualities as well etc so i respect both. i want to record music/sounds etc onto tape. i was looking before into getting a 1/4" nagra IV-STC but think i'll wait until i got the money and balls to handle that voluptuous cunt(means good where i'm from) ;) meanwhile, before i get into paying $2000 for a beautiful nagra; which mind you is double the tape width of cassette- 1/4" and possibility more easier to get 1/4" tape than the superior tape cassettes that are no longer made, which are needed for naks; Maxwell? nak tapes?  it seems you have to be lucky to get the best tapes as superior tapes for the naks are not being made now? correct or not? so yeah, in the meantime i would like to get a Nakamichi tape deck or two. i've been doing research and it seems to me that perhaps the best nak deck to get would be from the following i've listed, note that i'm considering cost, functionality, regular repair, and sound most importantly to an extent etc etc in no order out of these i  think i would like to acquire at least one; CR-7 MR-1 (B is the best of these correct? most functional, best sounding, and better of the MR-1 and MR-2 right?) 1000zxl (safe to assume no time soon, as the prices are quite large, 1500-3000) RX-505 / dragon ZX-9 680 so yeah i'm assuming any of those decks, are adequate for actual unbelievable sound quality, in perfect condition mind you, and with the right tape and all that. since i'm a rookie i at least have a rough idea of the order of quality; 1.)1000zxl 2.)dragon? 3.) not sure which is best in line; i'm thinking CR-7? or zx-9 or 680? and not rx-505? i'm still confused as which ones have what noise reduction features, and what is the best of them for low noise and what not. i see that some of the decks have more IN's and OUT's on the back than others; like the RX-505 having only one stereo(2 plugs) IN, and one stereo OUT, while another has 2 of each. what would be the advantage of having more ins and outs if its just a stereo unit? i'm mainly looking for one for 2 common reasons; 1.) to possibly archive records, mine, and on-loan records(from university music library's stash of avant garde LPS) 2.) to master friends' and my own compositions, rather than on computer,  cheap shit CD-R's or just .wavs that never get love on a hard format. so making music/compositions/interviews?/copies of this or that, field recordings put through onto tape(all this the sort of stuff i would do with a nagra). so a nice cassette deck that has really really good sound quality, hopefully low low noise, but just a bit. it seems a bit odd that no naks play at 9.5cm/s ? and that some dont/or most dont have Dolby noise reduction?  - forgive this rookie. i sort of need a diagram with each of these naks alongside each other, with technical as well as human comparisons of each nak and their specs and functions and advantages. note that i dont have money for a 1000zxl or nagra currently. but if i come across a really good nak, that an experienced nak user here can guide me on-recommending its worth etc, i think i would be willing to spend at most $1300-$1400, but i think more realistically $600-$1000. ok, so if anyone here could help me/teach me what i should know that i dont already, i'd extremely appreciate it. also i have been searching the net for examples/audio samples of nak units, to hear their differences(i understand each unit is unique in itself). but haven't found anything! so i ask of any of you nak-philes, if you could be able to record something at the best quality on your specific nak, on the best tape, and record it onto your computer raw in a nice short wav file and post it here, so that I and many others might be able to hear the differences between the different naks. i'd be excited to hear the sound and quality of the 1000zxl LTD/gold! cheers!!! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Dec 13 16:42:53 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:42:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RC449, 4558 AND 4560 OP AMPS IN NAKAMICHI 700ZXE AND 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <19291413.1229107119496.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <19291413.1229107119496.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4943D7FD.5000306@verizon.net> Exactly :-) -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > > Many manufacturers will use RC4560 in phono preamps. Your typo was > close to the MC1458, another dual channel opamp. > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > Sent: Dec 12, 2008 9:12 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RC449, 4558 AND 4560 OP AMPS IN NAKAMICHI > 700ZXE AND 1000ZXL > > Ali, > > This can be explained by a phenomenon known as 'typo'. Wherever I > said '1449', I > meant RC4559, Wherever I sad '1448' I mean 'RC4558'. This can > happen when > I type something fast, think of one thing but type another. Sorry > about the confusion. > > IIRC, the difference between the RC4558 and RC4559 is in the > higher open loop > gain and faster slew rate of the latter. In all probability, they > are the same chips, but > separated into separate bins based on characteristics.This is > common practice in > SS manufacturing. I assume the RC4559 was a bit more expensive. > The higher open > loop gain does not increase gain of the final circuit, but makes > for improved accuracy, > so the RC4559 would be used in more critical applications, where a > closer > approximation to an 'ideal' op-amp is advantageous. Generally, one > may > replace a RC4558 with a RC4559 with no ill effects, but not > necessarily viced > versa. > > The RC4560 seems to be very similar to the others, but is faster > and has a slightly > lower noise than both . It would be used where a faster slew rate > is required. I would > not replace it with an RC4559 IC. > > You can download spec sheets for all three ICs (I have JRC's specs > for these > devices, under the same number with NJM replacing the RC prefix). > Compare > specs, one by one, rather than just take someone's word that one > IC is 'better' > than another. > > -- Ron > > > > BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: >> Hi Ron , The op amps in the 700ZXE and the 1000ZXL are marked RC >> 4559 , RC4558 and RC 4560 you mentioned 1449 I didn't see any op >> amp in these two machines with the number, maybe I am missing >> something?! Also since you seem very knowledgeable maybe you can >> shed some light as to why?! nakamichi has placed the RC4558 in >> someplaces and RC 4559 and RC 4650 in other location there must >> be reason for doing so. I asked Bala the same question maybe you >> might be knowing the difference among the these 3 op amps >> mentioned above. I have a batch of each of the above amp and I >> was thinking of replacing the RC 4560 and the RC 4558 with only >> the RC 4559 which Bala mentions has better performance. Thanks >> for your kind help in trying to understand these op amps. With >> Best Regards! Ali >> >> In a message dated 12/11/2008 12:11:17 P.M. Eastern Standard >> Time, ra.ah at verizon.net writes: >> >> >> Not exactly, Tom. The ideal op-amp model is the basis for any >> design with >> op-amps. Those that do not understand it cannot understand >> op-amp >> circuits, it's that simple. This has nothing to do with >> *embracing* a concept , >> it's about *understanding* it. >> >> Once an op-amp circuit is designed, the engineer may need to >> account for >> discrepancies of the actual op-amp vs. the non-existent >> ideal. This is what >> the specific op-amp specs are for. Fortunately, even first >> generation op-amps >> were close enough to the ideal model, so this was only >> required for specific >> critical applications. Run of the mill audio amplification >> was never one of >> those. >> >> The bottom line of all this is that -- unlike what Bala >> imagines -- there was no >> specific optimization for 1449 ICs in Nak PB amps. You can >> drop any op-amp >> \with at least the same specs into the circuit and get the >> same (possibly, >> measurably better) performance. Yes, to be rigorous one >> should look at the >> specs, just to make sure, but in practice this is hardly >> necessary. >> >> For example, modern op-amps tend to have a higher slew rate. >> This is >> goodness, but one may want to verify that the new op-amp will >> be stable -- the >> specs and/or applications notes will tell you that. IME, no >> component changes >> were ever necessary Replacing 1449s (2V/uS) with an OPA2134s >> (20V/uS) >> caused no instability problems whatsoever, due to the latter >> chip better internal >> compensation (but, of course, the higher slew rate resulted >> in improvement of >> transient intemodulation distortion). This is why I asked >> Bala what component, >> exactly, he felt should be changed. >> >> Phew... This came out longer than expected... Sorry... >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Tom Brucker wrote: >>> >>> Ron, Bala, and all, >>> >>> There is the concept of the "ideal" opamp which Ron >>> embraces. There is the "real world" opamp, which Bala >>> embraces. Both are useful fodder for discussion, but >>> neither will win! Remeber that specs do not tell the >>> story, nor do A/B listening tests. Some audio components >>> are prized for their additive or subtractive distortions. >>> I keep my sanity by focusing more on good sound and less on >>> the absolute power of engineering! >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Ron >>> Sent: Dec 10, 2008 8:43 AM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion >>> >>> >>> That, again, is inaccurate. >>> >>> Let's take a look at a representative amp circuit. The >>> negative >>> input series and feedback resistors set the gain. You >>> certainly >>> do not want to change these. The positive input resistor >>> is there >>> to equalize offset current -- since the other resistors >>> are not >>> changed, this one shouldn't be changed, either (though, >>> due to >>> lowered offset current in the modern op-amp, it's value >>> may be >>> is less critical). There are no compensation components, >>> as they >>> are all internal to the IC. What else is there to change? >>> >>> You also say, "The circuit was designed to take maximum >>> advantage of the 4559, taking into account the input and >>> output >>> sections."Huh??? what, exactly, did they do to >>> 'optimize' the >>> circuit? >>> >>> Don't forget, the new op-amp has lower noise, higher input >>> impedance, lower output impedance, lower offset voltage and >>> current. better supply rejection etc.. This makes it >>> closer to the >>> ideal op-amp model.. Would you name even one component >>> that needs to change? >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>> Hi Bill, >>>> >>>> I think you have got it right there. The circuit >>>> was designed to take maximum advantage of the 4559, >>>> taking into account the input and output sections. The >>>> circuit was also optimized for very low noise. While >>>> plugging any modern pin-compatible op-amp will work, >>>> you would not get the ideal performance unless the >>>> related components are re-examined. >>>> >>>> Rgds, >>>> Bala >>>> >>>> */The Greenleaf's /* wrote: >>>> >>>> Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct >>>> points. When replacing older generation op amps >>>> there are several things to consider. Ron is >>>> correct in pointing out that you "normally" don't >>>> need to re-examine component values in the >>>> circuits. However, the stickler is whether the >>>> original circuit designers properly accounted for >>>> the inherent stability breakpoints of the op amp >>>> itself. The newer op amps have significantly >>>> higher gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, >>>> not necessarily with the op amp itself but the >>>> overall signal chain. The obvious solution is to >>>> carefully examine any circuit in which part >>>> substitutions are taking place. Careful >>>> substitutions can work wonders in keeping our Naks >>>> functioning as we all desire. >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Ron >>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is >>>> In. the Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner >>>> is..........Read on. >>>> >>>> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>>> Hi Ali, >>>>> >>>>> The cap changes are ok, but before you change >>>>> the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The >>>>> playback amp circuit has been designed around >>>>> the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally >>>>> change the circuit unless component values are >>>>> worked out again >>>> >>>> That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 >>>> specs >>>> (are you sure it's not OP27*5*? The OP27 is not >>>> pin >>>> compatible, nor is it intended specifically for >>>> audio) but >>>> the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging >>>> in another >>>> type will not 'totally [or even partially] >>>> change the circuit'. >>>> You *will* have to evaluate specs for stability >>>> and AC >>>> characteristics, but there is no need to 'work >>>> out' component >>>> values. >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> I would suggest trying to get the deck to work >>>>> prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice >>>>> sounding op-amp that is also part of the >>>>> reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet >>>>> sound. The most important thing is to work on >>>>> the caps in order to ensure that the nose >>>>> floor remains low and transient response is >>>>> preserved. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Bala >>>>> >>>>> */boeing747600 at aol.com/* wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! >>>>> I i couldnt agree more with your email . I >>>>> just got my pp and electrolytic >>>>> capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great >>>>> folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation >>>>> amp to use in place of the orginal and >>>>> cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at >>>>> suggestion of Luis who told me to do so >>>>> in his email back in 2006 , I am just now >>>>> getting time to replace the caps after >>>>> such a longtime. I am very excited! I >>>>> know it should sound simply awesome! It >>>>> boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned >>>>> in the service manual. Thanks! Ali >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> .....Read on. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Stephen Sank posted on this many, many >>>>> moons ago. >>>>> IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics >>>>> was identical >>>>> to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were >>>>> in the >>>>> gold plating of various parts -- including >>>>> the front >>>>> panel -- and use of some hand selected >>>>> parts, such >>>>> as heads. >>>>> >>>>> I don't believe gold plating has any sonic >>>>> significance >>>>> (including long term). As to part >>>>> selection, it depends >>>>> on parameter spread of the parts Since >>>>> Nakamichi >>>>> tended to use good quality components, >>>>> this is also >>>>> a rather moot point. >>>>> >>>>> Bottom line: while I do not doubt that >>>>> Ram's LTD may >>>>> sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in >>>>> all probability >>>>> this is a function of the specific decks. >>>>> Some other >>>>> 1000ZXL may sound better than some other >>>>> LTD. (Or >>>>> the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' >>>>> 1000ZXLs >>>>> may sound different, depending on >>>>> condition, age, >>>>> amount of previous use, etc., etc.. >>>>> >>>>> -- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Willy Hermann Services wrote: >>>>>> Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and >>>>>> didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: >>>>>> The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And >>>>>> the Winner is..........Read on. >>>>>>> --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the >>>>>>> Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with >>>>>>> this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape >>>>>>> recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this >>>>>>> was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of >>>>>>> transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Dec 13 17:06:38 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:06:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910812121224q7a4f0708iac215dd1667b61e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CB2A9774D65566-15A0-C18@mblk-d41.sysops.aol.com> <17d5ee910812121224q7a4f0708iac215dd1667b61e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4943DD8E.6090509@verizon.net> Just to set the record straight: some like-named ICs may be different, depending on manufacturer, but the same is true of different production batches from the same manufacturer. In theory, any op-amp *should* (key word) meet the specs by that manufacturer -- at least, the 'Min' and 'Max' specs. In one case, I used a fairly expensive MIL spec op-amp as a simple audio line amplifier. We ordered 15,000 of the damn thing, only to find out that they did not meet the high response spec of 10KHz. The manufacturer claimed that this spec was 'Typical'. not minimum, and therefore, they were off the hook. I argued that hardly any of the ICs met the spec, while 'typical' should be met by most or, at least, many. It took some doing to get the shipment replaced, but I did. All ICs of the replacement shipment (same manufacturer, exact same part number) easily met the spec.There is a moral in there, somewhere. Bottom line: Nakamichi used JRC parts (NJM P/N prefix) . I am sure they would have used other manufacturers if available, convenient or cheaper. Personally, I would use equivalent ICs from any reputable manufacturer with no qualm. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > There are several manufacturers building 4558 opamps. I don't know if > JRC's version is significantly better than the others, but they're > supposed to be equivalents. > > 2008/12/12 : > >> Hi Jeff, Thanks for your kind insight these op amps, incidentally the RC >> 4559, 4558 and 4560 that arrived in mail yesterday were ordered from >> mouser electronics. I havent got time yet to see wether they are JRC, I have >> always wondered what JRC stood for!:) now I know what it means! I think the >> tech who walk me thourgh the order was mentioning that these were going to >> be TI texas instruments op amps , after reading your email I dont know >> what to do with these in case if they really are TI op amps and not JRC >> they have sent, please advise! and thanks for taking time to answer my >> email it much appreciated I know you must be very busy man! Thanks! With >> Best Regards! ali >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Dec 13 17:10:00 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:10:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <958596.11185.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <958596.11185.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4943DE58.7080107@verizon.net> Absolutely. Always stick with reputable brands. NTE isn't. -- Ron LENA WONG wrote: > Also avoid using the replacement transistors by NTE brand as well. > > --- On *Fri, 12/12/08, Kermit Gray //* wrote: > > From: Kermit Gray > Subject: Re: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original > in the 700zxeand 1000zxl > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 3:01 PM > > Jeff is correct ... the JRC 4558 is definitely better than other > brands. The JRC has lower shot/popcorn noise, and its sections seem to > be better matched. The worst are the ECG 4558 equivalents (I forget > the ECG number). Too noisy, too mismatched and seem more prone to clip > than other makes. > > On Dec 12, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > > There are several manufacturers building 4558 opamps. I don't know if > > JRC's version is significantly better than the others, but they're > > supposed to be equivalents. > > > > 2008/12/12 : > >> Hi Jeff, Thanks for your kind insight these op amps, incidentally > >> the RC > >> 4559, 4558 and 4560 that arrived in mail yesterday were ordered > >> from > >> mouser electronics. I havent got time yet to see wether they are > >> JRC, I have > >> always wondered what JRC stood for!:) now I know what it means! I > >> think the > >> tech who walk me thourgh the order was mentioning that these were > >> going to > >> be TI texas instruments op amps , after reading your email I dont > >> know > >> what to do with these in case if they really are TI op amps and not > >> JRC > >> they have sent, please advise! and thanks for taking time to answer > >> my > >> email it much appreciated I know you must be very busy man! > >> Thanks! 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URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Dec 13 17:18:51 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:18:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] audio examples of different naks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4943E06B.204@verizon.net> Marcus wrote: > hi there, i just recently found out about nakamichi tape decks and > have been doing research and all that. > I'm looking into getting a really good recorder. i dislike digital > equipment for some reason, but I do believe it has its own uniqueness > and qualities, but tape also has its own qualities as well etc > so i respect both. > i want to record music/sounds etc onto tape. i was looking before into > getting a 1/4" nagra IV-STC but think i'll wait until i got the money > and balls to handle that voluptuous cunt(means good where i'm from) ;) > meanwhile, before i get into paying $2000 for a beautiful nagra; which > mind you is double the tape width of cassette- 1/4" and possibility > more easier to get 1/4" tape than the superior tape cassettes that are > no longer made, which are needed for naks; Maxwell? nak tapes? it > seems you have to be lucky to get the best tapes as superior tapes for > the naks are not being made now? correct or not? > so yeah, in the meantime i would like to get a Nakamichi tape deck or > two. i've been doing research and it seems to me that perhaps the best > nak deck to get would be from the following i've listed, note that i'm > considering cost, functionality, regular repair, and sound most > importantly to an extent etc etc > in no order out of these i think i would like to acquire at least one; > > CR-7 > MR-1 (B is the best of these correct? most functional, best sounding, > and better of the MR-1 and MR-2 right?) > 1000zxl (safe to assume no time soon, as the prices are quite large, > 1500-3000) > RX-505 / dragon > ZX-9 > 680 The CR-7 is superior to the MR-1 (or the almost identical BX-300). The ZX-9 may be better or worse -- depending on personal taste and who you talk to. Same is true of the Dragon (especially if you like the tape reversing capability). All of these are more than 'adequate'. Keep in mind that these machines may be 20 to 30 years old and condition is as important as original quality. -- Ron > so yeah i'm assuming any of those decks, are adequate for actual > unbelievable sound quality, in perfect condition mind you, and with > the right tape and all that. > since i'm a rookie i at least have a rough idea of the order of quality; > 1.)1000zxl > 2.)dragon? > 3.) not sure which is best in line; i'm thinking CR-7? or zx-9 or 680? > and not rx-505? > > i'm still confused as which ones have what noise reduction features, > and what is the best of them for low noise and what not. > i see that some of the decks have more IN's and OUT's on the back than > others; like the RX-505 having only one stereo(2 plugs) IN, and one > stereo OUT, while another has 2 of each. > what would be the advantage of having more ins and outs if its just a > stereo unit? > > i'm mainly looking for one for 2 common reasons; > 1.) to possibly archive records, mine, and on-loan records(from > university music library's stash of avant garde LPS) > 2.) to master friends' and my own compositions, rather than on > computer, cheap shit CD-R's or just .wavs that never get love on a > hard format. so making music/compositions/interviews?/copies of this > or that, field recordings put through onto tape(all this the sort of > stuff i would do with a nagra). > > so a nice cassette deck that has really really good sound quality, > hopefully low low noise, but just a bit. > > it seems a bit odd that no naks play at 9.5cm/s ? and that some > dont/or most dont have Dolby noise reduction? - forgive this rookie. > i sort of need a diagram with each of these naks alongside each other, > with technical as well as human comparisons of each nak and their > specs and functions and advantages. > note that i dont have money for a 1000zxl or nagra currently. > but if i come across a really good nak, that an experienced nak user > here can guide me on-recommending its worth etc, i think i would be > willing to spend at most $1300-$1400, but i think more realistically > $600-$1000. > > ok, so if anyone here could help me/teach me what i should know that i > dont already, i'd extremely appreciate it. > > > also i have been searching the net for examples/audio samples of nak > units, to hear their differences(i understand each unit is unique in > itself). but haven't found anything! > so i ask of any of you nak-philes, if you could be able to record > something at the best quality on your specific nak, on the best tape, > and record it onto your computer raw in a nice short wav file and post > it here, so that I and many others might be able to hear the > differences between the different naks. > > i'd be excited to hear the sound and quality of the 1000zxl LTD/gold! > > cheers!!! > From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Dec 13 17:21:21 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:21:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 service manual, anyone? In-Reply-To: <4937FE73.2010106@verizon.net> References: <174650.7981.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4937E505.4060906@verizon.net> <4937FE73.2010106@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4943E101.2030809@verizon.net> Second call.... Does anyone here have a pdf file of the BX-100 service manual that that they would be willing to email me or let me download? TIA, -- Ron From mrm12000 at cableone.net Sat Dec 13 19:13:55 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:13:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXL with original manual and NR-100 for sale Message-ID: <50552.1229192035@cableone.net> Everyone, A while back I wrote the list about my 700ZXL, which I found at Goodwill with its original manual and an NR-100 Dolby C processor. Willy Hermann came up with an amusing analogy: "That's like finding a mint 1967 Vette under a tarp in your grandmother's barn!" Well, I undertook having the deck fixed. Andy Pena, who frequents this list, did the work. There were surprisingly few problems, a bum relay being the one that caused the most aggravation. Andy fixed everything, replaced some belts, and realigned the heads. He remarked that the deck probably hadn't seen much use, because the heads looked so good. It was also in very good cosmetic shape. Well, on its way back to me, my 700ZXL had a mishap. First it was lost for a week, after which time it was delivered back to Andy. Then, when it finally arrived, it was damaged. The door lost a couple of the plastic pins that hold it in place (I found one; the other might be inside the deck). Worse, the mechanism was pushed inward, breaking a plastic part that holds it in place. The deck was carefully packed and double boxed, so it had to take a severe shot in transit. The deck powers up as expected, and according to Andy all of the new issues should be easy to fix. However, because of my struggles with Fedex, who still haven't taken responsibility for the damage, I've decided to cut my losses and sell the deck with manual and NR-100 instead of paying to have it fixed a second time. Putting this deck on eBay would be a waste of time, given that it was just completely serviced but does have the problem of the broken door and transport part. Therefore, if any Naktalkers are interested, I will take the highest offer over $200 (plus shipping) for the lot. I understand that the NR-100 may be worth nearly that all by itself. The service cost me $500 plus shipping two ways, so I'm going to lose money here. If you're interested, write me directly. I can provide pictures. Marc ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Dec 13 18:54:09 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:54:09 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] nak 600 slow rewind Message-ID: <7937933.1229190849045.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmashlan at shaw.ca Sat Dec 13 23:31:29 2008 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:31:29 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 service manual, anyone? In-Reply-To: <4943E101.2030809@verizon.net> References: <174650.7981.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4937E505.4060906@verizon.net> <4937FE73.2010106@verizon.net> <4943E101.2030809@verizon.net> Message-ID: <001c01c95d72$8b225df0$a16719d0$@ca> I had the same problem (that I couldn't find a manual), but used a manual from a BX-150 instead. The BX150 has an electronic counter and Dolby C, but it was similar enough for what I was doing. (Diagnosing motor power supply issue...). Not sure if you have tried this already... You can download it from the wiki at http://www.naks.com/wiki under the official documents. Ken -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Sunday, 14 December 2008 5:21 a.m. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 service manual, anyone? Second call.... Does anyone here have a pdf file of the BX-100 service manual that that they would be willing to email me or let me download? TIA, -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at verizon.net Sun Dec 14 02:52:05 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:52:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 service manual, anyone? In-Reply-To: <001c01c95d72$8b225df0$a16719d0$@ca> References: <174650.7981.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4937E505.4060906@verizon.net> <4937FE73.2010106@verizon.net> <4943E101.2030809@verizon.net> <001c01c95d72$8b225df0$a16719d0$@ca> Message-ID: <494466C5.80101@verizon.net> Thanks, Ken. I do have the BX-1 and BX-150 manuals and am aware that these are similar. However, I do like to have exact correct manuals and was hoping someone here may have it. Thanks again, -- Ron Ken Mashlan wrote: > I had the same problem (that I couldn't find a manual), but used a manual > from a BX-150 instead. The BX150 has an electronic counter and Dolby C, but > it was similar enough for what I was doing. (Diagnosing motor power supply > issue...). Not sure if you have tried this already... > > You can download it from the wiki at http://www.naks.com/wiki under the > official documents. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Sunday, 14 December 2008 5:21 a.m. > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 service manual, anyone? > > > Second call.... > > Does anyone here have a pdf file of the BX-100 service manual > that that they would be willing to email me or let me download? > > TIA, > > -- Ron > From erwinder at comcast.net Sun Dec 14 17:16:38 2008 From: erwinder at comcast.net (Edward Winder) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:16:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Bring my 700 Back to life. Message-ID: Hi All, I have made wonderful progress with the help from you guys on the forum and my service manual in getting my 700 back to working order but have two problems that I could live with but would like it to be 100% if I could. One problem is rewind speed. I have great fast forward speed but rewind speed is slow. Here is what I have done so far. I have replaced the tire on the idler pulley. I have increased the pressure on the idler pulley by bending the arm of the friction spring. I have shortened the idler arm spring. This has helped but still does not match fast forward speed. If I put a little pressure on the idler arm brass weight the rewind speed is great. What else might I try to have an acceptable rewind speed? Problem two is when I turn my 700 on the logic control remains in pause. When in this cold state I can use fast forward and rewind but play will not work. After about 15 minutes of warm up time the unit functions normally. What I have tied so is to pull the logic board and check for open traces on the circuit board and for loose wires coming onto the board. The service manual tells me to look at a defective IC601,603,604. Is it possible to have a bad IC that works after it heats up? Any help would be appreciated Thanks, Ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 18:53:25 2008 From: vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com (Vijay Bagaria) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:23:25 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] cr 5 Message-ID: <144468.35338.qm@web94915.mail.in2.yahoo.com> hi to all audiophiles, i am looking for nakamichi cr 5 service manual in pdf format.pl. help me out in this regard. thanks, vijay bagaria, mumbai, india. vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ From billmoritz at gmail.com Sun Dec 14 21:18:36 2008 From: billmoritz at gmail.com (Bill Moritz) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:18:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] For Auction: DR-1 Message-ID: <907e00d70812141218k3f166bb0l17b09d6d783e6976@mail.gmail.com> Hey Everyone, Check out my newly listed auction... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130275888888 Thanks, Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at verizon.net Sun Dec 14 22:16:35 2008 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:16:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bring my 700 Back to life. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0KBV0043LXRLDEK0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Ed, way back in my early tech days, a heat gun and a can of Freeze were my best friends for intermittent problems involving temperature. so yes, some IC's exhibit temperature problems much as a circuit board with a cold solder joint. A heat gun with a narrow nozzle can located which IC is bad but as always, a visual inspection is a must first. At 11:16 AM 12/14/2008, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I have made wonderful progress with the help from you guys on the >forum and my service manual in getting my 700 back to working order >but have two problems that I could live with but would like it to be >100% if I could. > >One problem is rewind speed. I have great fast forward speed but >rewind speed is slow. Here is what I have done so far. I have >replaced the tire on the idler pulley. I have increased the >pressure on the idler pulley by bending the arm of the friction >spring. I have shortened the idler arm spring. This has helped but >still does not match fast forward speed. If I put a little pressure >on the idler arm brass weight the rewind speed is great. What else >might I try to have an acceptable rewind speed? > >Problem two is when I turn my 700 on the logic control remains in >pause. When in this cold state I can use fast forward and rewind >but play will not work. After about 15 minutes of warm up time the >unit functions normally. What I have tied so is to pull the logic >board and check for open traces on the circuit board and for loose >wires coming onto the board. The service manual tells me to look at >a defective IC601,603,604. Is it possible to have a bad IC that >works after it heats up? > >Any help would be appreciated > >Thanks, >Ed > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 04:44:03 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:44:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: I got myself a 1000ZXL but .... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <94253.3923.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You get what you pay for I'm afraid! I bought a 700ZXL that came real cheap, only to find that is has been worked on and wrecked. Spent a great deal of time bringing it back to life. Bala Luis Peromarta wrote: Gents, Tom Bruker has been giving me some ideas. Only to find the wire into the motor was disconnected. The moror is now turning. Thanks! El 12/12/2008, a las 16:53, Luis Peromarta escribió: > Gents, > > The 1000zxl arrived today in certainly poor form. > > I am starting with the transport. It needed clenaing, relubbing an > of course a new tyre. FF and REW are strong now :) > > Everything seems fine now, except my capstan motor NOT turning . > > Voltages at CN33 seems right with strong 12V. > > Ideas? > > Thanks a lot and best rgds, LP. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 04:48:27 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:48:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <8CB2A9774D65566-15A0-C18@mblk-d41.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <907591.37592.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I should have bought some stocks in Japan Radio Company! -----Original Message----- From: jeff at eslabs.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:27 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl Hi Ali, Japan Radio Corporation(JRC) is the brand that Nakamichi usually used for their decks! Not all 4558 are alike! Note that Nakamichi usually used the pre-selected JRC "DD" version for the audio path. OP AMPS http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=4131 NJM4558 & NJM4559 http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=6704 NJM4560 http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=5289 NJM4580 These might work OK in some applications. They are a much newer version and have better specs. http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=152 I always use JRC brand IC's wherever I perform a repair or design a circuit. They work great and much better then other brands. These are available from www.mouser.com Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ------------------------------------------------------- ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, include this e-mail within your reply. ------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl Hi Bala, Ron and Kermit, I have decided to replace each old RC 4558, RC 4559 and the RC 4560 with the same one! on each PCB where they are located after reading your posting. Thanks specially to Bala and Kermit for taking time out from their busy schedule to help us novice understand somewhat what these op amps are and how they work , these great guys have some very extraordinary brains indeed!:) With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 12/12/2008 2:54:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Hi Bill, You have put out my thoughts verbatim although I chose to explain myself in another light which didn't seem to communicate my thoughts too well. As part of my efforts on resurrecting my first ZXL in late 2004, I undertook a thorough understanding of the system which led to have a tremendous appreciation of the level of engineering poured into equipment of that generation. While their digital design methods were somewhat archaic, their analog design was meticulous and way ahead of their time. The RC4558 and RC4559 were first generation op-amps available ever but to think that they were able to achieve that level of performance is simple amazing. Because such detailed work was put into getting the best possible performance, again much thought must be given in prior to making any changes which may or may not be for the better. Rgds, Bala The Greenleaf's wrote: Ron & Bala, Seeing your responses maybe I'll elaborate on my comments. I work with avionics and we have had several cases where we needed to replace obsolete op amps in either audio or control loop applications. When we used the newer op amps, including those with FET input stages we found that the circuits did not perform as well as the original circuits until we added components to recreate the inherent pole included in the original op amp due to the restricted gain bandwidth product. Ron, you certainly could make the case that this is related to the original designer overlooking a key characteristic of the design process but I would suspect that most designs of that era (early 70's to late 80's) could potentially exhibit similar behaviors. I agree that the surrounding components should be fine as is but it is the phantom pole in the original op amp that may need to be compensated with the newer op amp. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion No argument, Bill, except to point out that newer op-amps (while indeed of wider bandwidth and higher slew rate), incorporate internal compensation and tend to have better stability than vintage designs. This is especially true for op-amps intended specifically for audio work, such as the OP-275 under discussion. I agree that one should be reasonably careful. It does make sense to look at and compare such things as output impedance, drive capability, even supply current requirements, etc. However, I sincerely doubt that replacing a 1449 with a modern audio specific FET input op-amp will not improve performance (though probably, not audibly). Several years ago I conducted an informal listening test, comparing a high quality track played straight though the system, vs. same track, but with a CR-7. monitoring loop, with its myriad of op-amps, inserted in the path (no recording, just source monitoring). None of the listeners could tell the difference. This leads me to believe that improving the op-amps will not making a audible difference. BTW, I know Stephen Sank (and others -- were enamoured of the OP275. Personally, I prefer the OPA2134. A bit cheaper than the OP275, it's a pin for pin replacement for the 1449. As used in line stage and phono stage circuits, it sounded great, assuming one enjoys very pure, analytical presentation. -- Ron The Greenleaf's wrote: Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When replacing older generation op amps there are several things to consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron . I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while! to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre ! and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 04:51:22 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:51:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <8CB2A9774D65566-15A0-C18@mblk-d41.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <495353.96854.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I should have bought some stocks in Japan Radio Company! -----Original Message----- From: jeff at eslabs.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:27 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl Hi Ali, Japan Radio Corporation(JRC) is the brand that Nakamichi usually used for their decks! Not all 4558 are alike! Note that Nakamichi usually used the pre-selected JRC "DD" version for the audio path. OP AMPS http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=4131 NJM4558 & NJM4559 http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=6704 NJM4560 http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=5289 NJM4580 These might work OK in some applications. They are a much newer version and have better specs. http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=152 I always use JRC brand IC's wherever I perform a repair or design a circuit. They work great and much better then other brands. These are available from www.mouser.com Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ------------------------------------------------------- ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, include this e-mail within your reply. ------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl Hi Bala, Ron and Kermit, I have decided to replace each old RC 4558, RC 4559 and the RC 4560 with the same one! on each PCB where they are located after reading your posting. Thanks specially to Bala and Kermit for taking time out from their busy schedule to help us novice understand somewhat what these op amps are and how they work , these great guys have some very extraordinary brains indeed!:) With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 12/12/2008 2:54:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Hi Bill, You have put out my thoughts verbatim although I chose to explain myself in another light which didn't seem to communicate my thoughts too well. As part of my efforts on resurrecting my first ZXL in late 2004, I undertook a thorough understanding of the system which led to have a tremendous appreciation of the level of engineering poured into equipment of that generation. While their digital design methods were somewhat archaic, their analog design was meticulous and way ahead of their time. The RC4558 and RC4559 were first generation op-amps available ever but to think that they were able to achieve that level of performance is simple amazing. Because such detailed work was put into getting the best possible performance, again much thought must be given in prior to making any changes which may or may not be for the better. Rgds, Bala The Greenleaf's wrote: Ron & Bala, Seeing your responses maybe I'll elaborate on my comments. I work with avionics and we have had several cases where we needed to replace obsolete op amps in either audio or control loop applications. When we used the newer op amps, including those with FET input stages we found that the circuits did not perform as well as the original circuits until we added components to recreate the inherent pole included in the original op amp due to the restricted gain bandwidth product. Ron, you certainly could make the case that this is related to the original designer overlooking a key characteristic of the design process but I would suspect that most designs of that era (early 70's to late 80's) could potentially exhibit similar behaviors. I agree that the surrounding components should be fine as is but it is the phantom pole in the original op amp that may need to be compensated with the newer op amp. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: Op27 discussion No argument, Bill, except to point out that newer op-amps (while indeed of wider bandwidth and higher slew rate), incorporate internal compensation and tend to have better stability than vintage designs. This is especially true for op-amps intended specifically for audio work, such as the OP-275 under discussion. I agree that one should be reasonably careful. It does make sense to look at and compare such things as output impedance, drive capability, even supply current requirements, etc. However, I sincerely doubt that replacing a 1449 with a modern audio specific FET input op-amp will not improve performance (though probably, not audibly). Several years ago I conducted an informal listening test, comparing a high quality track played straight though the system, vs. same track, but with a CR-7. monitoring loop, with its myriad of op-amps, inserted in the path (no recording, just source monitoring). None of the listeners could tell the difference. This leads me to believe that improving the op-amps will not making a audible difference. BTW, I know Stephen Sank (and others -- were enamoured of the OP275. Personally, I prefer the OPA2134. A bit cheaper than the OP275, it's a pin for pin replacement for the 1449. As used in line stage and phono stage circuits, it sounded great, assuming one enjoys very pure, analytical presentation. -- Ron The Greenleaf's wrote: Actually, I think both Ron and Bala have correct points. When replacing older generation op amps there are several things to consider. Ron is correct in pointing out that you "normally" don't need to re-examine component values in the circuits. However, the stickler is whether the original circuit designers properly accounted for the inherent stability breakpoints of the op amp itself. The newer op amps have significantly higher gain-bandwidth that cause stability issues, not necessarily with the op amp itself but the overall signal chain. The obvious solution is to carefully examine any circuit in which part substitutions are taking place. Careful substitutions can work wonders in keeping our Naks functioning as we all desire. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. AndtheWinner is..........Read on. Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: Hi Ali, The cap changes are ok, but before you change the 4559 op-amp here is a word of caution. The playback amp circuit has been designed around the 4559. Plugging in the OP27 would totally change the circuit unless component values are worked out again That's incorrect. I haven't looked at the OP-27 specs (are you sure it's not OP275? The OP27 is not pin compatible, nor is it intended specifically for audio) but the whole idea behind op-amps is that plugging in another type will not 'totally [or even partially] change the circuit'. You will have to evaluate specs for stability and AC characteristics, but there is no need to 'work out' component values. -- Ron . I would suggest trying to get the deck to work prior to changing anything. The 4559 is a nice sounding op-amp that is also part of the reason the ZXL has a wide, open and sweet sound. The most important thing is to work on the caps in order to ensure that the nose floor remains low and transient response is preserved. Regards, Bala boeing747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Ron, You are absolutely! right there! I i couldnt agree more with your email . I just got my pp and electrolytic capacitors in the mail from Digi Key(great folks give them a try!) and OP27 operation amp to use in place of the orginal and cheap quality 4559 op amp this is at suggestion of Luis who told me to do so in his email back in 2006 , I am just now getting time to replace the caps after such a longtime. I am very excited! I know it should sound simply awesome! It boards are the 2nd revision ones mentioned in the service manual. Thanks! Ali .....Read on. Stephen Sank posted on this many, many moons ago. IIRC, he stated that the Ltd. electronics was identical to the standard 1000ZXL. Differences were in the gold plating of various parts -- including the front panel -- and use of some hand selected parts, such as heads. I don't believe gold plating has any sonic significance (including long term). As to part selection, it depends on parameter spread of the parts Since Nakamichi tended to use good quality components, this is also a rather moot point. Bottom line: while I do not doubt that Ram's LTD may sound better than a standard 1000ZXL, in all probability this is a function of the specific decks. Some other 1000ZXL may sound better than some other LTD. (Or the same. Or worse.) Also, two 'identical' 1000ZXLs may sound different, depending on condition, age, amount of previous use, etc., etc.. -- Ron Willy Hermann Services wrote: Thanks for the detailed listening tests. I have never had the chance to do any listening to a limited and didn't realize that the electronics were that different. I am anxious to hear from Ben about the differences against a standard ZXL. If the gods smile upon me in the next few weeks I may have your other ZXL back in shape. I'm in the process of building the 1000ZXL test unit now. Tom - I didn't use the Dragon head on the ZXL mod. I used the original ZXL head so we have not created a good source for replacement heads. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. Andthe Winner is..........Read on. Ram, What fun! May I suggest a bit of long term listening? I believe you might uncover differences in the midrange timbre of woodwinds and strings. The solo piano is good for stability and wow comparisons, but (minute) differences in flutter will be heard as timbre shifts, and may be instrument dependent. In other words, it may take a while! to find a recording that will yield differences. I can think of two advantages DD has over belt drive; correct speed when cold, and correct speed over the long run, say 5-8 years. An interesting second comparison is DD ZXL to stock Dragon. This would tell us in part what difference the Dragon head makes vs. the classic head(s). Willy has given all Dragon owners an option to replace an open play head with a classic head, (and defeat the azimuth and A/R). tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shantiram2000 Sent: Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: The Dragon ZXL is In. the Cmparison is DOne. And the Winner is..........Read on. --- In 1000ZXL at yahoogroups.com, "shantiram2000" wrote: Hi friends, For some reason, I decied to take today off for the heck of it and to my surprise saw Fedex deliver the Dragonized monster at 1045 Am. I promptly opened the package up and set her up side by side to the Limited and began a four hour comparison of the two super decks with the NR-100 unit attached to each deck to be fair.. I made sure the gain from each deck was identical prior to comparing the two for fairness. The preamp was the McIntosh C-40 and the power amp used was the MC-300 running into a pair of B&W 801, Series 3 monitors with biwiring from the power amp. The interconnects on the two decks were identical and the pre ! and the power amp are connected via balanced connectors to each other. The CD player used was a McIntosh MVP-862, again, connected to the preamp via balanced interconnects. The following listening tests were conducted: 1. Playback of a tape recorded on the Limited via the DD ZXl and the Limited. The results were as expected. The Limited just blew away the DD ZXL by a long shot. No second trial required here, in terms of sharpness, bass, transparency, treble and the like. The Ltd. was far better sounding in every territory with this as compared the DD ZXL. 2. I took two Fuji DRII Type II brand new cassettes and calibrated them in each of the machines and recorded intrumental Piano on both simultaneously from a CD and did a comparo. The Ltd. did win here too, however by a thinner margin than test 1. The difference in the sound was much more smoother bass.The DD ZXL was relatively (superb- but only relative here to the Ltd.) muddy. The Ltd. was super smooth and open. It took a couple of flicks of the listening button on the preamp to arrive at this, but the difference was there. 3. Recording a test tone on both was done. There was no flickering of the sound on either decks and the recorded sound was a copy exactly of the 400Hz. source. Exact and I did not hear any wow/flutter on the Limited as compared to the source. It was a tie here. 4. I played back the DD recorded piano on the Ltd. and vice versa. Here too, the Limited literally tore up the DD in playback of tape recorded on the DD deck!. The DD deck was not able to play back the Ltd. recorded tape better than the Ltd either. Again, the sound from the Limited was far open, much silkier ( on both tapes, mind you) and just more involving. The Limited's bass is that much smoother, punchier and plain better. 5. I picked up some prerecorded tapes from my collection, and in each and every case, the Limited was playing back better. The DD deck showed absolutely no advantage of the DD motor of the Dragon in any passage of any of the tracks I played. I gave it variety from Erycah Badu, Phil Collins, Bee Gees to Harry Connick, Madonna,Dupre Beethoven's 9th.Symphony etc.etc. for close to 2 hours. The Limited was unperturbed. period. Some of these recordings were done on my old SONY TC-K615( I think thats the number) 3 head deck and others were on my 1986 Technics deck. SOme were prerecorded cassettes released by record companies in the 1970s-1980s. 6. To see why this was happening I played some cassettes in my ESL restored 680ZX and the DD was very comparable to this deck, with the exception the DD ZXL had more bass( smoother, open etc.) than the 680ZX. The 680ZX had a better treble stage, whereas the Limited was king of all! 7. I finally, compared the source playback on both decks and that's where I heard a clear difference in the electronics of the two. A CD played back via source of the Limited sounded more open, smoother, full of punchy bass and sweet treble than when heard through the DD ZXL. The DD ZXL has a much lower noise(from the transport when heard close by) when running a tape than from the belt driven Limited transport. To conclude, the DD motor is very very quiet but in my case did not sound better than my stock Limited ZXL and I might give that to the superior electronics of the Limited and to other tight tolerances built into the transport, motors, etc... Willy has done a very clean job of transplanting the DD motor into the ZXL and tapping a power supply line from the secondary of the transformer to run this motor. The pitch control does not work in the Dragonized deck. It is not auto reverse either, becaus of the stok ZXL(better!,if I may) heads used. I shall soon measure w/f numbers on a T100 and post the differences here. Ben, we now await your comparo. Try not doing it with the Limited. Try it with a stock ZXL. I used the Limited because I did not have another calibrated ZXL. Phew, its 8.00pm and I spent a great day listening and recording and writing this! Back to more music....... Thanks for reading this wordy note. Regards, Ram --- End forwarded message --- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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This deck caused me the most headache and the greatest rewards, It is a singular deck among giants but..... It needs lots of TLC -------------- Original message from "mrm12000 at cableone.net" : -------------- > Everyone, > A while back I wrote the list about my 700ZXL, which I found at Goodwill with > its original > manual and an NR-100 Dolby C processor. Willy Hermann came up with an amusing analogy: "That's like finding a mint 1967 Vette under a tarp in your > grandmother's barn!" > Well, I undertook having the deck fixed. Andy Pena, who frequents this list, did > the work. There were surprisingly few problems, a bum relay being the one that caused the > most aggravation. Andy fixed everything, replaced some belts, and realigned the > heads. He remarked that the deck probably hadn't seen much use, because the heads looked so good. > It was also in > very good cosmetic shape. > Well, on its way back to me, my 700ZXL had a mishap. First it was lost for a > week, after which time it was delivered back to Andy. Then, when it finally arrived, it was > damaged. The door lost a couple of the plastic pins that hold it in place (I found one; the > other might be > inside the deck). Worse, the mechanism was pushed inward, breaking a plastic > part that holds > it in place. The deck was carefully packed and double boxed, so it had to take a > severe shot > in transit. > > The deck powers up as expected, and according to Andy all of the new issues > should be easy to > fix. However, because of my struggles with Fedex, who still haven't taken > responsibility for > the damage, I've decided to cut my losses and sell the deck with manual and > NR-100 instead of > paying to have it fixed a second time. > > Putting this deck on eBay would be a waste of time, given that it was just > completely > serviced but does have the problem of the broken door and transport part. > Therefore, if any > Naktalkers are interested, I will take the highest offer over $200 (plus > shipping) for the > lot. I understand that the NR-100 may be worth nearly that all by itself. The > service cost me > $500 plus shipping two ways, so I'm going to lose money here. > > If you're interested, write me directly. 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URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Mon Dec 15 22:44:59 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:44:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <495353.96854.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <495353.96854.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bala, On Dec 14, 2008, at 9:51 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > I should have bought some stocks in Japan Radio Company! Me too -- especially because I used the JRC 4558 and 4560 in my Type 99B battery-powered microphone preamplifier. The original version (Type 99A) used Signetics NE5534 and Burr-Brown OP-07, but the JRC version (which began life as a budget model) actually sounded better. Still don't know why. The Type 99 series was designed specifically for the Nakamichi 550, Nagra III and Uher 4000 Report series. The Type 99A and Type 99B was my answer to Shure's harsh-sounding FP11. (If enough marketing interest is found in the next 6-months, I will be reissuing the Type 99B, which will be easy as it uses the same transformers as many of my valve microphone preamplifiers). During the experience of making the Type 99B (1979 to 1984) I definitely found a large variance in the quality of 4558 opamps. The JRC version was/is very warm and detailed, whereas other brands had that "opamp harshness" that made me dislike most opamp mike preamps. Want some really nasty sound? Pick an NTE or ECG substitute for the 4558 -- put one in your Nakamichi and make it sound like a cheap Sankyo cassette deck. Anyone who has ever used a Shure FP11 knows how harsh they sound. By the way, if you have seen American network television shows filmed from 1974 to 1980, you've probably heard the FP11 during some outdoor scenes, especially broadcasts of sporting events. I've been told that ABC TV at one time bought Shure FP11s by the caseload for use on "ABC's Wide World of Sports" broadcasts, and the Shure FP11 is also reputed to have been used on many Disney productions and "Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom" broadcasts, as well as sitcoms like "All In The Family," "Mork & Mindy," "Welcome Back Kotter" and "WKRP In Cincinnati" during those shows occasional outside shots. Few things are, to my ears, as harsh or un-musical sounding as American TV from the 1970s and 1980s. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeff at eslabs.com > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:27 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in > the 700zxeand 1000zxl > > Hi Ali, > > Japan Radio Corporation(JRC) is the brand that Nakamichi usually > used for their decks! Not all 4558 are alike! > > Note that Nakamichi usually used the pre-selected JRC "DD" version > for the audio path. > > OP AMPS > http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=4131 > > NJM4558 & NJM4559 > http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=6704 > > NJM4560 > http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=5289 > > NJM4580 These might work OK in some applications. They are a much > newer version and have better specs. > http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=152 > > I always use JRC brand IC's wherever I perform a repair or design a > circuit. They work great and much better then other brands. > > These are available from www.mouser.com > > Sincerely, > Jeff Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST > VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > www.nakamichi.us > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erwinder at comcast.net Tue Dec 16 14:36:21 2008 From: erwinder at comcast.net (Edward Winder) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:36:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Bring my 700 Back to life. In-Reply-To: <0KBV0043LXRLDEK0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KBV0043LXRLDEK0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <5790527B87F44D19A86DD869BDA19D6C@office> Thanks Roland. I have ordered a couple of cans of freeze last night. Let me ask you if it is better to heat areas when the circuit is not working or cool areas after things are working or does it matter. Ed _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:17 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bring my 700 Back to life. Ed, way back in my early tech days, a heat gun and a can of Freeze were my best friends for intermittent problems involving temperature. so yes, some IC's exhibit temperature problems much as a circuit board with a cold solder joint. A heat gun with a narrow nozzle can located which IC is bad but as always, a visual inspection is a must first. At 11:16 AM 12/14/2008, you wrote: Hi All, I have made wonderful progress with the help from you guys on the forum and my service manual in getting my 700 back to working order but have two problems that I could live with but would like it to be 100% if I could. One problem is rewind speed. I have great fast forward speed but rewind speed is slow. Here is what I have done so far. I have replaced the tire on the idler pulley. I have increased the pressure on the idler pulley by bending the arm of the friction spring. I have shortened the idler arm spring. This has helped but still does not match fast forward speed. If I put a little pressure on the idler arm brass weight the rewind speed is great. What else might I try to have an acceptable rewind speed? Problem two is when I turn my 700 on the logic control remains in pause. When in this cold state I can use fast forward and rewind but play will not work. After about 15 minutes of warm up time the unit functions normally. What I have tied so is to pull the logic board and check for open traces on the circuit board and for loose wires coming onto the board. The service manual tells me to look at a defective IC601,603,604. Is it possible to have a bad IC that works after it heats up? Any help would be appreciated Thanks, Ed ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Tue Dec 16 15:26:07 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:26:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: References: <495353.96854.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4947BA7F.3000704@verizon.net> Kermit Gray wrote: > > Hi Bala, > > On Dec 14, 2008, at 9:51 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > >> I should have bought some stocks in Japan Radio Company! > > Me too -- especially because I used the JRC 4558 and 4560 in my Type > 99B battery-powered microphone preamplifier. The original version > (Type 99A) used Signetics NE5534 and Burr-Brown OP-07, but the JRC > version (which began life as a budget model) actually sounded better. > Still don't know why. Lower crossover distortion. -- Ron > The Type 99 series was designed specifically for the Nakamichi 550, > Nagra III and Uher 4000 Report series. The Type 99A and Type 99B was > my answer to Shure's harsh-sounding FP11. (If enough marketing > interest is found in the next 6-months, I will be reissuing the Type > 99B, which will be easy as it uses the same transformers as many of my > valve microphone preamplifiers). > > During the experience of making the Type 99B (1979 to 1984) I > definitely found a large variance in the quality of 4558 opamps. The > JRC version was/is very warm and detailed, whereas other brands had > that "opamp harshness" that made me dislike most opamp mike preamps. > > Want some really nasty sound? Pick an NTE or ECG substitute for the > 4558 -- put one in your Nakamichi and make it sound like a cheap > Sankyo cassette deck. > > Anyone who has ever used a Shure FP11 knows how harsh they sound. By > the way, if you have seen American network television shows filmed > from 1974 to 1980, you've probably heard the FP11 during some outdoor > scenes, especially broadcasts of sporting events. I've been told that > ABC TV at one time bought Shure FP11s by the caseload for use on > "ABC's Wide World of Sports" broadcasts, and the Shure FP11 is also > reputed to have been used on many Disney productions and "Mutual of > Omaha's Wild Kingdom" broadcasts, as well as sitcoms like "All In The > Family," "Mork & Mindy," "Welcome Back Kotter" and "WKRP In > Cincinnati" during those shows occasional outside shots. Few things > are, to my ears, as harsh or un-musical sounding as American TV from > the 1970s and 1980s. > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: jeff at eslabs.com >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> Sent: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:27 am >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in >> the 700zxeand 1000zxl >> >> Hi Ali, >> >> Japan Radio Corporation(JRC) is the brand that Nakamichi usually >> used for their decks! Not all 4558 are alike! >> >> Note that Nakamichi usually used the pre-selected JRC "DD" >> version for the audio path. >> >> OP AMPS >> http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=4131 >> >> NJM4558 & NJM4559 >> http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=6704 >> >> NJM4560 >> http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=5289 >> >> NJM4580 These might work OK in some applications. They are a >> much newer version and have better specs. >> http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=152 >> >> I always use JRC brand IC's wherever I perform a repair or design >> a circuit. They work great and much better then other brands. >> >> These are available from www.mouser.com >> >> Sincerely, >> Jeff Galin >> >> "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! >> *ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS* >> 1807 Berlin Turnpike >> Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA >> By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST >> VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 >> jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com >> >> www.nakamichi.us >> > > >> -- Kermit Gray >> > >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicac > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Tue Dec 16 15:33:00 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:33:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bring my 700 Back to life. In-Reply-To: <5790527B87F44D19A86DD869BDA19D6C@office> References: <0KBV0043LXRLDEK0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <5790527B87F44D19A86DD869BDA19D6C@office> Message-ID: <4947BC1C.2060607@verizon.net> Edward Winder wrote: > > /Thanks Roland./ > > / I have ordered a couple of cans of freeze last night. Let me ask > you if it is better to heat areas when the circuit is not working or > cool areas after things are working or does it matter. > / > When a circuit is not working, you don't need to do either -- just troubleshoot to find the culprit part. However, when it's intermittent, either heating or cooling (Whichever works) can aid in locating the physical area where the trouble lies. -- Ron > / / > > / / > > Ed > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Roland > *Sent:* Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:17 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Bring my 700 Back to life. > > > > Ed, way back in my early tech days, a heat gun and a can of Freeze > were my best friends for intermittent problems involving temperature. > so yes, some IC's exhibit temperature problems much as a circuit board > with a cold solder joint. A heat gun with a narrow nozzle can located > which IC is bad but as always, a visual inspection is a must first. > > > > At 11:16 AM 12/14/2008, you wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have made wonderful progress with the help from you guys on the > forum and my service manual in getting my 700 back to working order > but have two problems that I could live with but would like it to be > 100% if I could. > > One problem is rewind speed. I have great fast forward speed but > rewind speed is slow. Here is what I have done so far. I have > replaced the tire on the idler pulley. I have increased the pressure > on the idler pulley by bending the arm of the friction spring. I have > shortened the idler arm spring. This has helped but still does not > match fast forward speed. If I put a little pressure on the idler arm > brass weight the rewind speed is great. What else might I try to have > an acceptable rewind speed? > > Problem two is when I turn my 700 on the logic control remains in > pause. When in this cold state I can use fast forward and rewind but > play will not work. After about 15 minutes of warm up time the unit > functions normally. What I have tied so is to pull the logic board > and check for open traces on the circuit board and for loose wires > coming onto the board. The service manual tells me to look at a > defective IC601,603,604. Is it possible to have a bad IC that works > after it heats up? > > Any help would be appreciated > > Thanks, > Ed > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Roland > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Let me ask > you if it is better to heat areas when the circuit is not working > or cool areas after things are working or does it matter. > >Ed > >---------- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf Of Roland >Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:17 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bring my 700 Back to life. > >Ed, way back in my early tech days, a heat gun and a can of Freeze >were my best friends for intermittent problems involving >temperature. so yes, some IC's exhibit temperature problems much as >a circuit board with a cold solder joint. A heat gun with a narrow >nozzle can located which IC is bad but as always, a visual >inspection is a must first. > > > >At 11:16 AM 12/14/2008, you wrote: > >Hi All, > >I have made wonderful progress with the help from you guys on the >forum and my service manual in getting my 700 back to working order >but have two problems that I could live with but would like it to be >100% if I could. > >One problem is rewind speed. I have great fast forward speed but >rewind speed is slow. Here is what I have done so far. I have >replaced the tire on the idler pulley. I have increased the >pressure on the idler pulley by bending the arm of the friction >spring. I have shortened the idler arm spring. This has helped but >still does not match fast forward speed. If I put a little pressure >on the idler arm brass weight the rewind speed is great. What else >might I try to have an acceptable rewind speed? > >Problem two is when I turn my 700 on the logic control remains in >pause. When in this cold state I can use fast forward and rewind >but play will not work. After about 15 minutes of warm up time the >unit functions normally. What I have tied so is to pull the logic >board and check for open traces on the circuit board and for loose >wires coming onto the board. The service manual tells me to look at >a defective IC601,603,604. Is it possible to have a bad IC that >works after it heats up? > >Any help would be appreciated > >Thanks, >Ed > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Roland >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The voltage output on the generator appears to be accurate as verified by the fluke meter. I do have the assembly and owner's manual for the generator it was built from a kit by someone who knows what he was doing as the workmanship is outstanding! You mentioned to feed 15kz at -20db this I understand to mean will be at line inputs of the 700ZXE also what is the corresponding voltage at -20b to set on the variable output of the generator, sorry for asking as this is my first time at controls of an audio generator and I am trying learn and I dont want to mess up the 700ZXE main pcb by supplying too much voltage at the line inputs! Thanks for your kind help! With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 12/16/2008 9:59:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ra.ah at verizon.net writes: Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Bala, On Dec 14, 2008, at 9:51 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: I should have bought some stocks in Japan Radio Company! Me too -- especially because I used the JRC 4558 and 4560 in my Type 99B battery-powered microphone preamplifier. The original version (Type 99A) used Signetics NE5534 and Burr-Brown OP-07, but the JRC version (which began life as a budget model) actually sounded better. Still don't know why. Lower crossover distortion. -- Ron The Type 99 series was designed specifically for the Nakamichi 550, Nagra III and Uher 4000 Report series. The Type 99A and Type 99B was my answer to Shure's harsh-sounding FP11. (If enough marketing interest is found in the next 6-months, I will be reissuing the Type 99B, which will be easy as it uses the same transformers as many of my valve microphone preamplifiers). During the experience of making the Type 99B (1979 to 1984) I definitely found a large variance in the quality of 4558 opamps. The JRC version was/is very warm and detailed, whereas other brands had that "opamp harshness" that made me dislike most opamp mike preamps. Want some really nasty sound? Pick an NTE or ECG substitute for the 4558 -- put one in your Nakamichi and make it sound like a cheap Sankyo cassette deck. Anyone who has ever used a Shure FP11 knows how harsh they sound. By the way, if you have seen American network television shows filmed from 1974 to 1980, you've probably heard the FP11 during some outdoor scenes, especially broadcasts of sporting events. I've been told that ABC TV at one time bought Shure FP11s by the caseload for use on "ABC's Wide World of Sports" broadcasts, and the Shure FP11 is also reputed to have been used on many Disney productions and "Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom" broadcasts, as well as sitcoms like "All In The Family," "Mork & Mindy," "Welcome Back Kotter" and "WKRP In Cincinnati" during those shows occasional outside shots. Few things are, to my ears, as harsh or un-musical sounding as American TV from the 1970s and 1980s. -----Original Message----- From: _jeff at eslabs.com_ (mailto:jeff at eslabs.com) To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <_naktalk at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) > Sent: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:27 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl Hi Ali, Japan Radio Corporation(JRC) is the brand that Nakamichi usually used for their decks! Not all 4558 are alike! Note that Nakamichi usually used the pre-selected JRC "DD" version for the audio path. OP AMPS _http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=4131_ (http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=4131) NJM4558 & NJM4559 _http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=6704_ (http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=6704) NJM4560 _http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=5289_ (http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=5289) NJM4580 These might work OK in some applications. They are a much newer version and have better specs. _http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=152_ (http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=152) I always use JRC brand IC's wherever I perform a repair or design a circuit. They work great and much better then other brands. These are available from _www.mouser.com_ (http://www.mouser.com/) Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 _jeff at nakamichi.us_ (mailto:jeff at nakamichi.us) _jeff at eslabs.com_ (mailto:jeff at eslabs.com) _www.nakamichi.us_ (http://www.nakamichi.us/) -- Kermit Gray _notarbene at kvglabs.com_ (mailto:notarbene at kvglabs.com) KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicac ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Dec 16 21:10:04 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:10:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <4947BA7F.3000704@verizon.net> References: <495353.96854.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4947BA7F.3000704@verizon.net> Message-ID: <0F1B3C8F-FFA6-4B8F-A88E-86FB15523994@kvglabs.com> Hey Ron, On Dec 16, 2008, at 8:26 AM, Ron wrote: > Kermit Gray wrote: >> >> >> Hi Bala, >> >> On Dec 14, 2008, at 9:51 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> >>> I should have bought some stocks in Japan Radio Company! >> >> Me too -- especially because I used the JRC 4558 and 4560 in my >> Type 99B battery-powered microphone preamplifier. The original >> version (Type 99A) used Signetics NE5534 and Burr-Brown OP-07, but >> the JRC version (which began life as a budget model) actually >> sounded better. Still don't know why. > Lower crossover distortion. > > -- Ron Yes! you're absolutely correct! I should have thought of that sooner. When I read your mess(age) I quickly breadboarded the two circuits and then -- this time -- looked at the 'scope for crossover distortion (in instead examining only the "usual suspects": square wave response, THD, IMD, &c.). The NE5534 used in the 99A does indeed exhibit greater crossover distortion than does either the 4558 or the JRC 4560 used in the 99B. Groovy! That's what I like about this business -- you're never too old to learn. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Tue Dec 16 21:36:56 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:36:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Setting correct bias/level on 700ZXE with heathkit AG-9Atube audio generator . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, -20 dbv = .283v @ 0v = 1 dBv -20dbv = -17.78 dBu @ 0dBu = 0.775v Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of BOEING747600 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:38 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Setting correct bias/level on 700ZXE with heathkit AG-9Atube audio generator . Hi Tom, I have gotten hold of a heathkit AG 9A vintage audio tube audio generator, I have serviced it i.e. cleaned all the pots and checked the 3 tube 6x4 rect, 6au6 voltage amp and the 6cl6 oscillator tube and they check ok, the caps looks old! Fortunately I have hi-end Fluke 189 digital meter which also has frequency counter setting and can show both ac volts and frequency at one time, the generator works but you the freq are not accurate you have to use the sub freq controls to get the right freq . The freq displayed on the fluke meter show only! 325 hz when 400 hz is selected so you have to turn the sub freq dial next to the main dial to make it go up to 402.5 hz. The voltage output on the generator appears to be accurate as verified by the fluke meter. I do have the assembly and owner's manual for the generator it was built from a kit by someone who knows what he was doing as the workmanship is outstanding! You mentioned to feed 15kz at -20db this I understand to mean will be at line inputs of the 700ZXE also what is the corresponding voltage at -20b to set on the variable output of the generator, sorry for asking as this is my first time at controls of an audio generator and I am trying learn and I dont want to mess up the 700ZXE main pcb by supplying too much voltage at the line inputs! Thanks for your kind help! With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 12/16/2008 9:59:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ra.ah at verizon.net writes: Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Bala, On Dec 14, 2008, at 9:51 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: I should have bought some stocks in Japan Radio Company! Me too -- especially because I used the JRC 4558 and 4560 in my Type 99B battery-powered microphone preamplifier. The original version (Type 99A) used Signetics NE5534 and Burr-Brown OP-07, but the JRC version (which began life as a budget model) actually sounded better. Still don't know why. Lower crossover distortion. -- Ron The Type 99 series was designed specifically for the Nakamichi 550, Nagra III and Uher 4000 Report series. The Type 99A and Type 99B was my answer to Shure's harsh-sounding FP11. (If enough marketing interest is found in the next 6-months, I will be reissuing the Type 99B, which will be easy as it uses the same transformers as many of my valve microphone preamplifiers). During the experience of making the Type 99B (1979 to 1984) I definitely found a large variance in the quality of 4558 opamps. The JRC version was/is very warm and detailed, whereas other brands had that "opamp harshness" that made me dislike most opamp mike preamps. Want some really nasty sound? Pick an NTE or ECG substitute for the 4558 -- put one in your Nakamichi and make it sound like a cheap Sankyo cassette deck. Anyone who has ever used a Shure FP11 knows how harsh they sound. By the way, if you have seen American network television shows filmed from 1974 to 1980, you've probably heard the FP11 during some outdoor scenes, especially broadcasts of sporting events. I've been told that ABC TV at one time bought Shure FP11s by the caseload for use on "ABC's Wide World of Sports" broadcasts, and the Shure FP11 is also reputed to have been used on many Disney productions and "Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom" broadcasts, as well as sitcoms like "All In The Family," "Mork & Mindy," "Welcome Back Kotter" and "WKRP In Cincinnati" during those shows occasional outside shots. Few things are, to my ears, as harsh or un-musical sounding as American TV from the 1970s and 1980s. -----Original Message----- From: jeff at eslabs.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:27 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl Hi Ali, Japan Radio Corporation(JRC) is the brand that Nakamichi usually used for their decks! Not all 4558 are alike! Note that Nakamichi usually used the pre-selected JRC "DD" version for the audio path. OP AMPS http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=4131 NJM4558 & NJM4559 http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=6704 NJM4560 http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=5289 NJM4580 These might work OK in some applications. They are a much newer version and have better specs. http://semicon.njr.co.jp/njr/hp/fileDownloadMedia.do?_mediaId=152 I always use JRC brand IC's wherever I perform a repair or design a circuit. They work great and much better then other brands. These are available from www.mouser.com Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA By Appointment M-F 9AM to 5PM EST VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicac ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. 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From marc at stager.com Wed Dec 17 00:21:39 2008 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:21:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything original op amp original in the 700zxe and 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <200812161102.mBGB16It023085@zxe.naks.com> References: <200812161102.mBGB16It023085@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20081216105028.029ff008@verizon.net> You might want to look into the National Semiconductor LME49860 I had replaced the original audio chip (forget what it was) on a JVC 1050TN CD deck with the OPA275 about six years ago. It sounded much more smooth and musical and I was delighted. I recently found out about the new NSC audio chip: ""The LME49860 is part of the ultra-low distortion, low noise,high slew rate operational amplifier series optimized and fully specified for high performance, high fidelity applications.Combining advanced leading-edge process technology with state-of-the-art circuit design." After checking with NSC to check if the 49860 would be a drop in replacement (it is), I made the swap and the sound was suddenly more detailed and transparent with no loss of midrange warmth or bass impact. The bass was actually more dynamic. It is a superb IC and I'm enjoying my CDs more than ever. http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LME49860.pdf Marc Stager ) ) ) ) ) ) Stager Sound Systems, New York City =================================== > > From: jeff at eslabs.com > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:27 am > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in > > the 700zxeand 1000zxl > >> > > Japan Radio Corporation(JRC) is the brand that Nakamichi usually > > used for their decks! Not all 4558 are alike! > > > > Note that Nakamichi usually used the pre-selected JRC "DD" version > > for the audio path. > > ... > > I always use JRC brand IC's wherever I perform a repair or design a > > circuit. They work great and much better then other brands. > > > > These are available from www.mouser.com > > > > Sincerely, > > Jeff Galin From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Wed Dec 17 00:46:30 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:46:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes In-Reply-To: <3803743.1228781628124.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <3803743.1228781628124.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002f01c95fd8$880c1e40$98245ac0$@utah.edu> To all, Yes Tom Mageris and I have been perfecting some alignment tapes. Currently we have the 400Hz and 3000Hz tapes ready for testing. We are going to ship them to a few well known techs and get their opinion. The tapes are created on a open reel studer at real time. FULL TRACK! Very time consuming and tedious process. Trying various formulas as well. The 3000Hz speed/wow and flutter tape is very impressive. The 400Hz level tape is very accurate. We will keep you all posted on the progress. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 5:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] test cassettes here is an eBay link for someone doing their best to create a suitable test cassette. 120345775687 While his effort is honest, I doubt the tape is made with the same care as our own LP, Luis Peromarta. LP provides much longer times and higher frequencies for azimuth, for the same price! I mention this to make a shameless plug for the tapes our Utah members have been working, or I should say, perfecting, over the last year. I've tested samples of the level tapes and found them perfect in every way. I've just heard they have a wow and flutter tape. I also know that they are close to producing the track alignment tape. These tapes have received no formal announcement because their makers want perfection, and they keep fiddling with the manufacturing processes! I am posting (independently) to encourage them to take the next step. The eBay link above laments that Nak test tapes are rare because "they come from collectors". If Tom and Vic will get on the ball and announce ordering information for their test tapes, the availability issue will become moot. I trust their methods and recommend that these test tape be made available to the NakTalk community. I promise to give DIY instructions for their use so everyone can begin to confirm their alignments, and have some of the tools to do a bit of tweaking. The eBay link above gives a clever method for speed adjustment without a meter....fink a 3kHz sine test tone on the internet, play it on the computer speakers, and set the cassette deck speed control like you would tune an instrument. I think it will work....would anyone like to find the test tone and try it? tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lgeorge at bmts.com Wed Dec 17 01:23:48 2008 From: lgeorge at bmts.com (Kath) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:23:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak LX5 belt replacement Message-ID: <000601c95fdd$bb74b990$c200a8c0@computer> Folks' I purchased an LX and replacement belts. I dissassembled it paying close attention so as to re-assemble properly, I thought. Upon re-assembly, all seemed to be OK. I pressed play, the head assembly raised gently to the play position, the tape started to play, all is good-for about 2 seconds, at which time, it came gently to rest, just as though I had pressed stop. It will re-start , over and over, always sopping after a second or two. It does the same thing in Fast forward and rewind. It appears that the cam mechanism that starts the whole process in motion, fails to stay in the engaged position. It appears that I may have failed to replace a key belt, but am unable to determine where it goes. I have twice downloaded a service manual but have yet to receive the entire thing. The missing bits are what I need. Anyone with a detailed exploded view of the transport that would be willing to share or sell, I would appreciate it. This deck worked, although playback was slow when purchased, so I am confident that it is a simple repair, once I have the required info. Many Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Bunn at caltech.edu Wed Dec 17 04:50:46 2008 From: Julian.Bunn at caltech.edu (Julian Bunn) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:50:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] New member: RX-505 Master Fade Up Message-ID: <49487716.2080208@caltech.edu> I just received a nice RX-505 - my first Nakamichi - which the previous owner had had in storage for some years, and which he reported would not play. I found that the control motor belt was slipping, but was able to clean it and the pulleys, and now the deck is functioning well. Cosmetically it is in pristine condition, and came in the original packing box and with the original owner's manual. I was astonished at the sound quality when I played one of my metal tapes recorded many years ago (and which was unlistened to since then). There are a couple of things I am not sure are correct: 1) the Master Fade Up button light is always lit. Pressing the Master Fade Down button does not cause its light to come on, or the Up button's light to extinuish. 2) When going from Play to Stop there is some mechanical noise - like a whirring sound. It's not excessive, but I'd like to know if it indicates a problem, or if it is normal. I'd welcome some advice on the above, and any other tips on checking out a deck that hasn't been played for some years. Many thanks, Julian From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Wed Dec 17 13:12:05 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:12:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <200812171103.mBHB0rHk020389@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <49412447000057F1@mail-3-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Julian, Welcome to the sound of Nak cassette decks. A good RX-505 does sound very nice. The Fade buttons will only work when the machine is into Record or Record/Pause modes. The UP light will light all the time. This is not a sign of malfunction. Your machine is working as intended. The mechanical noise is most likely a result from a dry bearing of the large commando wheel. Put a drop (no more) of light oil on the end of the axle (where the circlip is holding the wheel onto the axle) and let it work in. This should do it. One thing to check is that the Pinch roller arms are moving freely. If those are froozen up this will block the mechanism to get into play (somewhat) and then the cambelt will tend to slip. If the two pinch roller rocker arms are completely free in moving the mechanism will be OK. Succes, Happy listening. Henk Schenk Netherlands WWW.nakamichi-schenk.nl >Message: 12 >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:50:46 -0800 >From: Julian Bunn >Subject: [naktalk] New member: RX-505 Master Fade Up >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <49487716.2080208 at caltech.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >I just received a nice RX-505 - my first Nakamichi - which >the previous owner had had in storage for some years, and >which he reported would not play. I found that the >control motor belt was slipping, but was able to clean it >and the pulleys, and now the deck is functioning well. >Cosmetically it is in pristine condition, and came in the >original packing box and with the original owner's manual. > >I was astonished at the sound quality when I played one >of my metal tapes recorded many years ago (and which was >unlistened to since then). > >There are a couple of things I am not sure are correct: > >1) the Master Fade Up button light is always lit. Pressing >the Master Fade Down button does not cause its light to >come on, or the Up button's light to extinuish. > >2) When going from Play to Stop there is some mechanical >noise - like a whirring sound. It's not excessive, but I'd >like to know if it indicates a problem, or if it is normal. > >I'd welcome some advice on the above, and any other tips >on checking out a deck that hasn't been played for some >years. > >Many thanks, >Julian > From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Wed Dec 17 13:16:40 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:16:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Betr: LX-5 belt replacement In-Reply-To: <200812171103.mBHB0rHk020389@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <494124470000580B@mail-3-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Lgeorge It might be the auto shut off that is triggered all the time. This happens when the auto shut off lamp has burned. See the service manuals to find the lamp behand the front panel. If you dismantle the front you will see soem light coming from the area right of the cassette well close to the fucntion buttons. Good luck on this nice machine, Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >Message: 11 >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:23:48 -0500 >From: "Kath" >Subject: [naktalk] Nak LX5 belt replacement >To: >Message-ID: <000601c95fdd$bb74b990$c200a8c0 at computer> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Folks' I purchased an LX and replacement belts. I dissassembled it paying >close attention so as to re-assemble properly, I thought. Upon re-assembly, >all seemed to be OK. I pressed play, the head assembly raised gently to the >play position, the tape started to play, all is good-for about 2 seconds, >at which time, it came gently to rest, just as though I had pressed stop. >It will re-start , over and over, always sopping after a second or two. It >does the same thing in Fast forward and rewind. It appears that the cam mechanism >that starts the whole process in motion, fails to stay in the engaged position. >It appears that I may have failed to replace a key belt, but am unable to >determine where it goes. I have twice downloaded a service manual but have >yet to receive the entire thing. The missing bits are what I need. Anyone >with a detailed exploded view of the transport that would be willing to share >or sell, I would appreciate it. This deck worked, although playback was slow! > when purchased, so I am confident that it is a simple repair, once I have >the required info. >Many Thanks From boeing747600 at aol.com Wed Dec 17 13:52:31 2008 From: boeing747600 at aol.com (boeing747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:52:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak LX5 belt replacement In-Reply-To: <000601c95fdd$bb74b990$c200a8c0@computer> References: <000601c95fdd$bb74b990$c200a8c0@computer> Message-ID: <8CB2E5D75BCD8A9-15B0-2064@webmail-dd20.sysops.aol.com> Hi , Its sound to? me as your counter belt is? not functioning correctly, does your tape counter digits move when you hit play, fast forward or rewind?! if they dont or move very slowly then the motion sensor is designed to stop the tape as it thinks that the tape might get damaged .? If above is the case install the correct belt of right tension i.e. neither too tight or too loose, this?should solve the problem. Also see that the pulley connected to the tape counter is not binding and to lubricate its? bearing with couple of drop of light oil?so it moves smoothly. Thanks!? Ali -----Original Message----- From: Kath To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 7:23 pm Subject: [naktalk] Nak LX5 belt replacement ?Folks' I purchased an LX and replacement belts. I dissassembled it paying close attention so as to re-assemble properly, I thought. Upon re-assembly, all seemed to be OK. I pressed play, the head assembly raised gently to the play position, the tape started to play, all is good-for about 2 seconds, at which time, it came gently to rest, just as though I had pressed stop. It will re-start , over and over, always sopping after a second or two. It does the same thing in Fast forward and rewind. It appears that the cam mechanism that starts the whole process in motion, fails to stay in the engaged position. It appears that I may have failed to replace a key belt, but am unable to determine where it goes. I have twice downloaded a service manual but have yet to receive the entire thing. The missing bits are what I need. Anyone with a detailed exploded view of the transport that would be willing to share or sell, I would appreciate it. This deck worked, although playback was slow when purchased, so I am confident that it is a simple repair, once I have the required info. Many Thanks ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Bunn at caltech.edu Wed Dec 17 18:19:06 2008 From: Julian.Bunn at caltech.edu (Julian Bunn) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:19:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <49412447000057F1@mail-3-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> References: <49412447000057F1@mail-3-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <4949348A.7000201@caltech.edu> Many thanks, Henk. I am reassured about the Fade button :-) I am not sure how to identify all the different mechanical parts, in particular which is the commando wheel? I have downloaded the Service Manual, but find that the diagrams are not easy to interpret (probably due to grainy quality). Is there a site with photos of the mechanics of Nakamichi decks, with helpful arrows labelling the major parts? I'll check the pinch roller arms. What do people recommend for cleaning heads and pinch rollers - is isopropyl alcohol on a Q-tip alright? Best wishes, Julian http://pcbunn.cacr.caltech.edu/jjb/nakamichi ScHenk wrote: > Julian, > > Welcome to the sound of Nak cassette decks. A good RX-505 does sound very > nice. > > The Fade buttons will only work when the machine is into Record or Record/Pause > modes. The UP light will light all the time. This is not a sign of malfunction. > Your machine is working as intended. > > The mechanical noise is most likely a result from a dry bearing of the large > commando wheel. Put a drop (no more) of light oil on the end of the axle > (where the circlip is holding the wheel onto the axle) and let it work in. > This should do it. > > One thing to check is that the Pinch roller arms are moving freely. If those > are froozen up this will block the mechanism to get into play (somewhat) > and then the cambelt will tend to slip. If the two pinch roller rocker arms > are completely free in moving the mechanism will be OK. > > Succes, > Happy listening. > Henk Schenk > Netherlands > WWW.nakamichi-schenk.nl > >> Message: 12 >> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:50:46 -0800 >> From: Julian Bunn >> Subject: [naktalk] New member: RX-505 Master Fade Up >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <49487716.2080208 at caltech.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> I just received a nice RX-505 - my first Nakamichi - which >> the previous owner had had in storage for some years, and >> which he reported would not play. I found that the >> control motor belt was slipping, but was able to clean it >> and the pulleys, and now the deck is functioning well. >> Cosmetically it is in pristine condition, and came in the >> original packing box and with the original owner's manual. >> >> I was astonished at the sound quality when I played one >> of my metal tapes recorded many years ago (and which was >> unlistened to since then). >> >> There are a couple of things I am not sure are correct: >> >> 1) the Master Fade Up button light is always lit. Pressing >> the Master Fade Down button does not cause its light to >> come on, or the Up button's light to extinuish. >> >> 2) When going from Play to Stop there is some mechanical >> noise - like a whirring sound. It's not excessive, but I'd >> like to know if it indicates a problem, or if it is normal. >> >> I'd welcome some advice on the above, and any other tips >> on checking out a deck that hasn't been played for some >> years. >> >> Many thanks, >> Julian >> > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Julian_Bunn.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 419 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 19:58:49 2008 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:58:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 17 In-Reply-To: <4949348A.7000201@caltech.edu> Message-ID: <638263.43160.qm@web55103.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Julian, do not use any type of alcohol on the pinch rollers.  Alcohol eventually dries out rubber. Use the following on heads and pinch rollers:   Professional audio tape path cleaning fluid S-721H from "American Recorder Technologies".  1-800-777-9580 http://www.americanrecorder.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=108   Regards, Jayson --- On Wed, 12/17/08, Julian Bunn wrote: From: Julian Bunn Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 17 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 12:19 PM Many thanks, Henk. I am reassured about the Fade button :-) I am not sure how to identify all the different mechanical parts, in particular which is the commando wheel? I have downloaded the Service Manual, but find that the diagrams are not easy to interpret (probably due to grainy quality). Is there a site with photos of the mechanics of Nakamichi decks, with helpful arrows labelling the major parts? I'll check the pinch roller arms. What do people recommend for cleaning heads and pinch rollers - is isopropyl alcohol on a Q-tip alright? Best wishes, Julian http://pcbunn.cacr.caltech.edu/jjb/nakamichi ScHenk wrote: > Julian, > > Welcome to the sound of Nak cassette decks. A good RX-505 does sound very > nice. > > The Fade buttons will only work when the machine is into Record or Record/Pause > modes. The UP light will light all the time. This is not a sign of malfunction. > Your machine is working as intended. > > The mechanical noise is most likely a result from a dry bearing of the large > commando wheel. Put a drop (no more) of light oil on the end of the axle > (where the circlip is holding the wheel onto the axle) and let it work in. > This should do it. > > One thing to check is that the Pinch roller arms are moving freely. If those > are froozen up this will block the mechanism to get into play (somewhat) > and then the cambelt will tend to slip. If the two pinch roller rocker arms > are completely free in moving the mechanism will be OK. > Succes, > Happy listening. > Henk Schenk > Netherlands > WWW.nakamichi-schenk.nl >> Message: 12 >> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:50:46 -0800 >> From: Julian Bunn >> Subject: [naktalk] New member: RX-505 Master Fade Up >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <49487716.2080208 at caltech.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> I just received a nice RX-505 - my first Nakamichi - which >> the previous owner had had in storage for some years, and >> which he reported would not play. I found that the >> control motor belt was slipping, but was able to clean it >> and the pulleys, and now the deck is functioning well. >> Cosmetically it is in pristine condition, and came in the >> original packing box and with the original owner's manual. >> >> I was astonished at the sound quality when I played one >> of my metal tapes recorded many years ago (and which was >> unlistened to since then). >> >> There are a couple of things I am not sure are correct: >> >> 1) the Master Fade Up button light is always lit. Pressing >> the Master Fade Down button does not cause its light to >> come on, or the Up button's light to extinuish. >> >> 2) When going from Play to Stop there is some mechanical >> noise - like a whirring sound. It's not excessive, but I'd >> like to know if it indicates a problem, or if it is normal. >> >> I'd welcome some advice on the above, and any other tips >> on checking out a deck that hasn't been played for some >> years. >> >> Many thanks, >> Julian >> > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Thu Dec 18 13:17:29 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:17:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Julian's Nak RX505 In-Reply-To: <200812181101.mBIB065U019587@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <494145AA0000648A@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> OK, Julian, The wheel to lubricate is the larger pulley of the two which are connected with the cambelt you have changed. The larger wheel is disposed through the frame and you can see the circlip holding it in place. A drop on this circlip will suffice. Actually, this is not the command wheel, that was my mistake. This is an intermediate wheel before the command wheel. Succes in checking the rockers! There's a few foto's on my site that might help. Look at common repairs. Happy listening, Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >From: Julian Bunn >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:19:06 -0800 >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 17 > > >Many thanks, Henk. I am reassured about the Fade button :-) > >I am not sure how to identify all the different mechanical >parts, in particular which is the commando wheel? I have >downloaded the Service Manual, but find that the diagrams >are not easy to interpret (probably due to grainy quality). > >Is there a site with photos of the mechanics of Nakamichi >decks, with helpful arrows labelling the major parts? > >I'll check the pinch roller arms. What do people recommend >for cleaning heads and pinch rollers - is isopropyl alcohol >on a Q-tip alright? > >Best wishes, >Julian > >http://pcbunn.cacr.caltech.edu/jjb/nakamichi > >ScHenk wrote: >> Julian, >> >> Welcome to the sound of Nak cassette decks. A good RX-505 does sound very >> nice. >> >> The Fade buttons will only work when the machine is into Record or Record/Pause >> modes. The UP light will light all the time. This is not a sign of malfunction. >> Your machine is working as intended. >> >> The mechanical noise is most likely a result from a dry bearing of the >large >> commando wheel. Put a drop (no more) of light oil on the end of the axle >> (where the circlip is holding the wheel onto the axle) and let it work >in. >> This should do it. >> >> One thing to check is that the Pinch roller arms are moving freely. If >those >> are froozen up this will block the mechanism to get into play (somewhat) >> and then the cambelt will tend to slip. If the two pinch roller rocker >arms >> are completely free in moving the mechanism will be OK. >> >> Succes, >> Happy listening. >> Henk Schenk >> Netherlands >> WWW.nakamichi-schenk.nl >> >>> Message: 12 >>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:50:46 -0800 >>> From: Julian Bunn >>> Subject: [naktalk] New member: RX-505 Master Fade Up >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Message-ID: <49487716.2080208 at caltech.edu> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>> I just received a nice RX-505 - my first Nakamichi - which >>> the previous owner had had in storage for some years, and >>> which he reported would not play. I found that the >>> control motor belt was slipping, but was able to clean it >>> and the pulleys, and now the deck is functioning well. >>> Cosmetically it is in pristine condition, and came in the >>> original packing box and with the original owner's manual. >>> >>> I was astonished at the sound quality when I played one >>> of my metal tapes recorded many years ago (and which was >>> unlistened to since then). >>> >>> There are a couple of things I am not sure are correct: >>> >>> 1) the Master Fade Up button light is always lit. Pressing >>> the Master Fade Down button does not cause its light to >>> come on, or the Up button's light to extinuish. >>> >>> 2) When going from Play to Stop there is some mechanical >>> noise - like a whirring sound. It's not excessive, but I'd >>> like to know if it indicates a problem, or if it is normal. >>> >>> I'd welcome some advice on the above, and any other tips >>> on checking out a deck that hasn't been played for some >>> years. >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> Julian >>> From luis at peromarta.org Thu Dec 18 17:54:46 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:54:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS Message-ID: <8856F1A7-047B-4823-BC85-3FAF244929EE@peromarta.org> Dear all, while I continue to work on the deck, I come to this new problem. The deck refuses to start BIAS while recording, thus rendering all recorded signals heavily distorted. The osc. is good, because I have managed to start it and adjust it with the help of the auxiliary test unit. This certainly seems like a logic problem, anyone has faced this problem before? Thanks a lot in advance, and best rds, LP. From luis at peromarta.org Thu Dec 18 18:11:28 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:11:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS In-Reply-To: <8856F1A7-047B-4823-BC85-3FAF244929EE@peromarta.org> References: <8856F1A7-047B-4823-BC85-3FAF244929EE@peromarta.org> Message-ID: By the way, once I start the osc. with the test unit, and after a few minutes, I notice the opamp IC301 runs quite hot, which is somehow strange, as the current is sourced by the push-pull column. Also, the manual says pin 3 and 5 of the same opamp should be grounded, and they are lifted to +6V. Ideas? Thanks and best rgds, LP. El 18/12/2008, a las 17:54, Luis Peromarta escribió: > Dear all, > > while I continue to work on the deck, I come to this new problem. > > The deck refuses to start BIAS while recording, thus rendering all > recorded signals heavily distorted. > > The osc. is good, because I have managed to start it and adjust it > with the help of the auxiliary test unit. > > This certainly seems like a logic problem, anyone has faced this > problem before? > > Thanks a lot in advance, and best rds, LP. > > From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Dec 18 16:29:18 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:29:18 EST Subject: [naktalk] STILL LOOKING! FOR 2 ALUMINUM COVERS TAPE TRANSPORT 700ZXE/700XL PLS HELP!! Message-ID: HI Everyone! I AM DESPERATE!! ! to have two aluminum covers that goes on tape transport buttons like play, ffwd, rewind, pause and rec, . If some one has a broken 700zxe or 700zxl but have the aluminium covers on the tape transport then can take out I will pay reasonable amount for these 2 buttons! plus shipping. Willy Herman are you listening?!!! a nice nakker told me YOU ARE THE MAN! to go to:) Thanks! and wishing all awesome nakkers here! a happy holiday season and a veryhappy new year everyone!!:) With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 12/18/2008 7:50:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wnn523484 at telfort.nl writes: OK, Julian, The wheel to lubricate is the larger pulley of the two which are connected with the cambelt you have changed. The larger wheel is disposed through the frame and you can see the circlip holding it in place. A drop on this circlip will suffice. Actually, this is not the command wheel, that was my mistake. This is an intermediate wheel before the command wheel. Succes in checking the rockers! There's a few foto's on my site that might help. Look at common repairs. Happy listening, Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >From: Julian Bunn >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:19:06 -0800 >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 17 > > >Many thanks, Henk. I am reassured about the Fade button :-) > >I am not sure how to identify all the different mechanical >parts, in particular which is the commando wheel? I have >downloaded the Service Manual, but find that the diagrams >are not easy to interpret (probably due to grainy quality). > >Is there a site with photos of the mechanics of Nakamichi >decks, with helpful arrows labelling the major parts? > >I'll check the pinch roller arms. What do people recommend >for cleaning heads and pinch rollers - is isopropyl alcohol >on a Q-tip alright? > >Best wishes, >Julian > >http://pcbunn.cacr.caltech.edu/jjb/nakamichi > >ScHenk wrote: >> Julian, >> >> Welcome to the sound of Nak cassette decks. A good RX-505 does sound very >> nice. >> >> The Fade buttons will only work when the machine is into Record or Record/Pause >> modes. The UP light will light all the time. This is not a sign of malfunction. >> Your machine is working as intended. >> >> The mechanical noise is most likely a result from a dry bearing of the >large >> commando wheel. Put a drop (no more) of light oil on the end of the axle >> (where the circlip is holding the wheel onto the axle) and let it work >in. >> This should do it. >> >> One thing to check is that the Pinch roller arms are moving freely. If >those >> are froozen up this will block the mechanism to get into play (somewhat) >> and then the cambelt will tend to slip. If the two pinch roller rocker >arms >> are completely free in moving the mechanism will be OK. >> >> Succes, >> Happy listening. >> Henk Schenk >> Netherlands >> WWW.nakamichi-schenk.nl >> >>> Message: 12 >>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:50:46 -0800 >>> From: Julian Bunn >>> Subject: [naktalk] New member: RX-505 Master Fade Up >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Message-ID: <49487716.2080208 at caltech.edu> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>> I just received a nice RX-505 - my first Nakamichi - which >>> the previous owner had had in storage for some years, and >>> which he reported would not play. I found that the >>> control motor belt was slipping, but was able to clean it >>> and the pulleys, and now the deck is functioning well. >>> Cosmetically it is in pristine condition, and came in the >>> original packing box and with the original owner's manual. >>> >>> I was astonished at the sound quality when I played one >>> of my metal tapes recorded many years ago (and which was >>> unlistened to since then). >>> >>> There are a couple of things I am not sure are correct: >>> >>> 1) the Master Fade Up button light is always lit. Pressing >>> the Master Fade Down button does not cause its light to >>> come on, or the Up button's light to extinuish. >>> >>> 2) When going from Play to Stop there is some mechanical >>> noise - like a whirring sound. It's not excessive, but I'd >>> like to know if it indicates a problem, or if it is normal. >>> >>> I'd welcome some advice on the above, and any other tips >>> on checking out a deck that hasn't been played for some >>> years. >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> Julian >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Bunn at caltech.edu Thu Dec 18 18:10:50 2008 From: Julian.Bunn at caltech.edu (Julian Bunn) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:10:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Julian's Nak RX505 In-Reply-To: <494145AA0000648A@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> References: <494145AA0000648A@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <494A841A.8010306@caltech.edu> Great: understood, Henk. I have been listening to several of the tapes I recorded years ago. I am flabbergasted by the excellent audio quality, even though they were recorded on an inferior deck. In fact, I have now begun to question the quality of my CD/DVD player: how can tapes sound so much better than CD? It doesn't make any technical sense to me. Does anyone have an opinion on the quality of Maxell XLii C90 tapes, which are commonly available to buy in lots of five? I used to use TDK SA types, but they don't seem to be available any more. I feel I should stock up on blank cassettes before the supply dries up definitively! Julian ScHenk wrote: > OK, Julian, > > The wheel to lubricate is the larger pulley of the two which are connected > with the cambelt you have changed. The larger wheel is disposed through the > frame and you can see the circlip holding it in place. A drop on this circlip > will suffice. > > Actually, this is not the command wheel, that was my mistake. This is an > intermediate wheel before the command wheel. > > Succes in checking the rockers! There's a few foto's on my site that might > help. Look at common repairs. > > Happy listening, > Henk Schenk > Netherlands > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > >> From: Julian Bunn >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:19:06 -0800 >> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 17 >> >> >> Many thanks, Henk. I am reassured about the Fade button :-) >> >> I am not sure how to identify all the different mechanical >> parts, in particular which is the commando wheel? I have >> downloaded the Service Manual, but find that the diagrams >> are not easy to interpret (probably due to grainy quality). >> >> Is there a site with photos of the mechanics of Nakamichi >> decks, with helpful arrows labelling the major parts? >> >> I'll check the pinch roller arms. What do people recommend >> for cleaning heads and pinch rollers - is isopropyl alcohol >> on a Q-tip alright? >> >> Best wishes, >> Julian >> >> http://pcbunn.cacr.caltech.edu/jjb/nakamichi >> >> ScHenk wrote: >>> Julian, >>> >>> Welcome to the sound of Nak cassette decks. A good RX-505 does sound very >>> nice. >>> >>> The Fade buttons will only work when the machine is into Record or Record/Pause >>> modes. The UP light will light all the time. This is not a sign of malfunction. >>> Your machine is working as intended. >>> >>> The mechanical noise is most likely a result from a dry bearing of the >> large >>> commando wheel. Put a drop (no more) of light oil on the end of the axle >>> (where the circlip is holding the wheel onto the axle) and let it work >> in. >>> This should do it. >>> >>> One thing to check is that the Pinch roller arms are moving freely. If >> those >>> are froozen up this will block the mechanism to get into play (somewhat) >>> and then the cambelt will tend to slip. If the two pinch roller rocker >> arms >>> are completely free in moving the mechanism will be OK. >>> >>> Succes, >>> Happy listening. >>> Henk Schenk >>> Netherlands >>> WWW.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>> >>>> Message: 12 >>>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:50:46 -0800 >>>> From: Julian Bunn >>>> Subject: [naktalk] New member: RX-505 Master Fade Up >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Message-ID: <49487716.2080208 at caltech.edu> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>> >>>> I just received a nice RX-505 - my first Nakamichi - which >>>> the previous owner had had in storage for some years, and >>>> which he reported would not play. I found that the >>>> control motor belt was slipping, but was able to clean it >>>> and the pulleys, and now the deck is functioning well. >>>> Cosmetically it is in pristine condition, and came in the >>>> original packing box and with the original owner's manual. >>>> >>>> I was astonished at the sound quality when I played one >>>> of my metal tapes recorded many years ago (and which was >>>> unlistened to since then). >>>> >>>> There are a couple of things I am not sure are correct: >>>> >>>> 1) the Master Fade Up button light is always lit. Pressing >>>> the Master Fade Down button does not cause its light to >>>> come on, or the Up button's light to extinuish. >>>> >>>> 2) When going from Play to Stop there is some mechanical >>>> noise - like a whirring sound. It's not excessive, but I'd >>>> like to know if it indicates a problem, or if it is normal. >>>> >>>> I'd welcome some advice on the above, and any other tips >>>> on checking out a deck that hasn't been played for some >>>> years. >>>> >>>> Many thanks, >>>> Julian >>>> > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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FOR 2 ALUMINUM COVERS TAPE TRANSPORT 700ZXE/700XL PLS HELP!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <750253.1517.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Does anyone know if the covers off of the LX-3 or 5 would be a match. They look similar. If that works, an LX parts deck might be the solution. David --- On Thu, 12/18/08, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > From: BOEING747600 at aol.com > Subject: [naktalk] STILL LOOKING! FOR 2 ALUMINUM COVERS TAPE TRANSPORT 700ZXE/700XL PLS HELP!! > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 7:29 AM > HI Everyone! I AM DESPERATE!! ! to have two aluminum covers > that goes on > tape transport buttons like play, ffwd, rewind, pause and > rec, . If some one > has a broken 700zxe or 700zxl but have the aluminium > covers on the tape > transport then can take out I will pay reasonable amount > for these 2 buttons! > plus shipping. > Willy Herman are you listening?!!! a nice nakker told me > YOU ARE THE MAN! > to go to:) Thanks! and wishing all awesome nakkers here! > a happy holiday > season and a veryhappy new year everyone!!:) With Best > Regards! Ali > From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Dec 18 23:43:53 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:43:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Julian's Nak RX505 In-Reply-To: <494A841A.8010306@caltech.edu> References: <494145AA0000648A@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> <494A841A.8010306@caltech.edu> Message-ID: <494AD229.7020608@verizon.net> Julian Bunn wrote: > Great: understood, Henk. > > I have been listening to several of the tapes I recorded > years ago. I am flabbergasted by the excellent audio > quality, even though they were recorded on an inferior > deck. In fact, I have now begun to question the quality > of my CD/DVD player: how can tapes sound so much > better than CD? It doesn't make any technical sense to me. This happened to me, as well. The many recordings i made on a 582 sounded much better when played back on the CR-7 that replaced it. > Does anyone have an opinion on the quality of Maxell > XLii C90 tapes, which are commonly available to buy in > lots of five? I used to use TDK SA types, but they don't > seem to be available any more. I feel I should stock up > on blank cassettes before the supply dries up definitively! Maxell XL-II is my favorite tape. The SA is second. IME, both are excellent type II tapes. -- Ron > > Julian > > ScHenk wrote: >> OK, Julian, >> >> The wheel to lubricate is the larger pulley of the two which are >> connected >> with the cambelt you have changed. The larger wheel is disposed >> through the >> frame and you can see the circlip holding it in place. A drop on this >> circlip >> will suffice. >> >> Actually, this is not the command wheel, that was my mistake. This is an >> intermediate wheel before the command wheel. >> >> Succes in checking the rockers! There's a few foto's on my site that >> might >> help. Look at common repairs. >> >> Happy listening, >> Henk Schenk >> Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >> >>> From: Julian Bunn >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:19:06 -0800 >>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 17 >>> >>> >>> Many thanks, Henk. I am reassured about the Fade button :-) >>> >>> I am not sure how to identify all the different mechanical >>> parts, in particular which is the commando wheel? I have >>> downloaded the Service Manual, but find that the diagrams >>> are not easy to interpret (probably due to grainy quality). >>> >>> Is there a site with photos of the mechanics of Nakamichi >>> decks, with helpful arrows labelling the major parts? >>> >>> I'll check the pinch roller arms. What do people recommend >>> for cleaning heads and pinch rollers - is isopropyl alcohol >>> on a Q-tip alright? >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Julian >>> >>> http://pcbunn.cacr.caltech.edu/jjb/nakamichi >>> >>> ScHenk wrote: >>>> Julian, >>>> >>>> Welcome to the sound of Nak cassette decks. A good RX-505 does >>>> sound very >>>> nice. >>>> >>>> The Fade buttons will only work when the machine is into Record or >>>> Record/Pause >>>> modes. The UP light will light all the time. This is not a sign of >>>> malfunction. >>>> Your machine is working as intended. >>>> >>>> The mechanical noise is most likely a result from a dry bearing of the >>> large >>>> commando wheel. Put a drop (no more) of light oil on the end of the >>>> axle >>>> (where the circlip is holding the wheel onto the axle) and let it work >>> in. >>>> This should do it. >>>> >>>> One thing to check is that the Pinch roller arms are moving freely. If >>> those >>>> are froozen up this will block the mechanism to get into play >>>> (somewhat) >>>> and then the cambelt will tend to slip. If the two pinch roller rocker >>> arms >>>> are completely free in moving the mechanism will be OK. >>>> Succes, >>>> Happy listening. >>>> Henk Schenk >>>> Netherlands >>>> WWW.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>>>> Message: 12 >>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:50:46 -0800 >>>>> From: Julian Bunn >>>>> Subject: [naktalk] New member: RX-505 Master Fade Up >>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> Message-ID: <49487716.2080208 at caltech.edu> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>> >>>>> I just received a nice RX-505 - my first Nakamichi - which >>>>> the previous owner had had in storage for some years, and >>>>> which he reported would not play. I found that the >>>>> control motor belt was slipping, but was able to clean it >>>>> and the pulleys, and now the deck is functioning well. >>>>> Cosmetically it is in pristine condition, and came in the >>>>> original packing box and with the original owner's manual. >>>>> >>>>> I was astonished at the sound quality when I played one >>>>> of my metal tapes recorded many years ago (and which was >>>>> unlistened to since then). >>>>> >>>>> There are a couple of things I am not sure are correct: >>>>> >>>>> 1) the Master Fade Up button light is always lit. Pressing >>>>> the Master Fade Down button does not cause its light to >>>>> come on, or the Up button's light to extinuish. >>>>> >>>>> 2) When going from Play to Stop there is some mechanical >>>>> noise - like a whirring sound. It's not excessive, but I'd >>>>> like to know if it indicates a problem, or if it is normal. >>>>> >>>>> I'd welcome some advice on the above, and any other tips >>>>> on checking out a deck that hasn't been played for some >>>>> years. >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks, >>>>> Julian >>>>> From kulak at ozemail.com.au Thu Dec 18 23:59:39 2008 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:59:39 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] STILL LOOKING! FOR 2 ALUMINUM COVERS TAPE TRANSPORT700ZXE/700XL PLS HELP!! References: <750253.1517.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: David, No, they are quite different in size and fitting mode. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "fripp_em" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] STILL LOOKING! FOR 2 ALUMINUM COVERS TAPE TRANSPORT700ZXE/700XL PLS HELP!! > Does anyone know if the covers off of the LX-3 or 5 would be a match. > They look similar. If that works, an LX parts deck might be the solution. > > David > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From e_thorsen at hotmail.com Fri Dec 19 00:25:54 2008 From: e_thorsen at hotmail.com (Erik Thorsen) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:25:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 tri tracer service manual Message-ID: Hi all! I need a service manual for my nak 1000 tri tracer and nak 1000 II. Anyone know where I can download one? Thanks, Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I assume you tested with a lot of gain? tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kermit Gray >Sent: Dec 16, 2008 2:10 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl > >Hey Ron, > >On Dec 16, 2008, at 8:26 AM, Ron wrote: > >> Kermit Gray wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Bala, >>> >>> On Dec 14, 2008, at 9:51 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>> >>>> I should have bought some stocks in Japan Radio Company! >>> >>> Me too -- especially because I used the JRC 4558 and 4560 in my >>> Type 99B battery-powered microphone preamplifier. The original >>> version (Type 99A) used Signetics NE5534 and Burr-Brown OP-07, but >>> the JRC version (which began life as a budget model) actually >>> sounded better. Still don't know why. >> Lower crossover distortion. >> >> -- Ron > >Yes! you're absolutely correct! I should have thought of that sooner. >When I read your mess(age) I quickly breadboarded the two circuits and >then -- this time -- looked at the 'scope for crossover distortion (in >instead examining only the "usual suspects": square wave response, >THD, IMD, &c.). The NE5534 used in the 99A does indeed exhibit greater >crossover distortion than does either the 4558 or the JRC 4560 used in >the 99B. > >Groovy! That's what I like about this business -- you're never too old >to learn. > >-- Kermit Gray >notarbene at kvglabs.com >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to Make Your Music Better >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >Telephone: 913-422-0957 >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From solexny at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 01:53:40 2008 From: solexny at gmail.com (Dan Moy) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:53:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Julian's Nak RX505 In-Reply-To: <494AD229.7020608@verizon.net> References: <494145AA0000648A@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> <494A841A.8010306@caltech.edu> <494AD229.7020608@verizon.net> Message-ID: <44ae93bf0812181653i4989e110ic8426fe00ff5813f@mail.gmail.com> I had the same experience some 15 year old tapes on my BX-300 sounded better then the cd it was originally recorded from. On 12/18/08, Ron wrote: > Julian Bunn wrote: >> Great: understood, Henk. >> >> I have been listening to several of the tapes I recorded >> years ago. I am flabbergasted by the excellent audio >> quality, even though they were recorded on an inferior >> deck. In fact, I have now begun to question the quality >> of my CD/DVD player: how can tapes sound so much >> better than CD? It doesn't make any technical sense to me. > This happened to me, as well. The many recordings i made > on a 582 sounded much better when played back on the > CR-7 that replaced it. >> Does anyone have an opinion on the quality of Maxell >> XLii C90 tapes, which are commonly available to buy in >> lots of five? I used to use TDK SA types, but they don't >> seem to be available any more. I feel I should stock up >> on blank cassettes before the supply dries up definitively! > Maxell XL-II is my favorite tape. The SA is second. IME, > both are excellent type II tapes. > > -- Ron > > >> >> Julian >> >> ScHenk wrote: >>> OK, Julian, >>> >>> The wheel to lubricate is the larger pulley of the two which are >>> connected >>> with the cambelt you have changed. The larger wheel is disposed >>> through the >>> frame and you can see the circlip holding it in place. A drop on this >>> circlip >>> will suffice. >>> >>> Actually, this is not the command wheel, that was my mistake. This is an >>> intermediate wheel before the command wheel. >>> >>> Succes in checking the rockers! There's a few foto's on my site that >>> might >>> help. Look at common repairs. >>> >>> Happy listening, >>> Henk Schenk >>> Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>> >>>> From: Julian Bunn >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:19:06 -0800 >>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 17 >>>> >>>> >>>> Many thanks, Henk. I am reassured about the Fade button :-) >>>> >>>> I am not sure how to identify all the different mechanical >>>> parts, in particular which is the commando wheel? I have >>>> downloaded the Service Manual, but find that the diagrams >>>> are not easy to interpret (probably due to grainy quality). >>>> >>>> Is there a site with photos of the mechanics of Nakamichi >>>> decks, with helpful arrows labelling the major parts? >>>> >>>> I'll check the pinch roller arms. What do people recommend >>>> for cleaning heads and pinch rollers - is isopropyl alcohol >>>> on a Q-tip alright? >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> Julian >>>> >>>> http://pcbunn.cacr.caltech.edu/jjb/nakamichi >>>> >>>> ScHenk wrote: >>>>> Julian, >>>>> >>>>> Welcome to the sound of Nak cassette decks. A good RX-505 does >>>>> sound very >>>>> nice. >>>>> >>>>> The Fade buttons will only work when the machine is into Record or >>>>> Record/Pause >>>>> modes. The UP light will light all the time. This is not a sign of >>>>> malfunction. >>>>> Your machine is working as intended. >>>>> >>>>> The mechanical noise is most likely a result from a dry bearing of the >>>> large >>>>> commando wheel. Put a drop (no more) of light oil on the end of the >>>>> axle >>>>> (where the circlip is holding the wheel onto the axle) and let it work >>>> in. >>>>> This should do it. >>>>> >>>>> One thing to check is that the Pinch roller arms are moving freely. If >>>> those >>>>> are froozen up this will block the mechanism to get into play >>>>> (somewhat) >>>>> and then the cambelt will tend to slip. If the two pinch roller rocker >>>> arms >>>>> are completely free in moving the mechanism will be OK. >>>>> Succes, >>>>> Happy listening. >>>>> Henk Schenk >>>>> Netherlands >>>>> WWW.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>>>>> Message: 12 >>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:50:46 -0800 >>>>>> From: Julian Bunn >>>>>> Subject: [naktalk] New member: RX-505 Master Fade Up >>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> Message-ID: <49487716.2080208 at caltech.edu> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>> >>>>>> I just received a nice RX-505 - my first Nakamichi - which >>>>>> the previous owner had had in storage for some years, and >>>>>> which he reported would not play. I found that the >>>>>> control motor belt was slipping, but was able to clean it >>>>>> and the pulleys, and now the deck is functioning well. >>>>>> Cosmetically it is in pristine condition, and came in the >>>>>> original packing box and with the original owner's manual. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was astonished at the sound quality when I played one >>>>>> of my metal tapes recorded many years ago (and which was >>>>>> unlistened to since then). >>>>>> >>>>>> There are a couple of things I am not sure are correct: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) the Master Fade Up button light is always lit. Pressing >>>>>> the Master Fade Down button does not cause its light to >>>>>> come on, or the Up button's light to extinuish. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) When going from Play to Stop there is some mechanical >>>>>> noise - like a whirring sound. It's not excessive, but I'd >>>>>> like to know if it indicates a problem, or if it is normal. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd welcome some advice on the above, and any other tips >>>>>> on checking out a deck that hasn't been played for some >>>>>> years. >>>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks, >>>>>> Julian >>>>>> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Sent from my mobile device From mark8559 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 19 04:01:19 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:01:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 700 II - Up and Running! Thank you Tom! In-Reply-To: <19221897.1215715048376.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <19221897.1215715048376.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I finally got around to working on my 700 II cassette deck tonight. It played, but no sound output. With the help of Tom Brucker from an old July email, I got it going. Also put in new belts purchased from Fred at Mars Communications. The deck came back to life really slow. I was getting sound in two channels with one meter working. Then I would get sound in one channel, but no meters working. Then no sound. There must have been eight variations to the 700 II coming slowly back to life. I also replaced the cassette well lamp. I am going to keep the deck on for the next three days, playing a tape when I get a chance. I may leave a complete cleaning of the connectors for later, or may even have it serviced. Right now I want all the electronics in the deck to wake up. The deck may have not been played in 5, 10, 15, or 20 years. Yes, there's one more Nakamichi cassette deck out there up and running! Thank you Tom and fellow Nakers. Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:37:28 -0500 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 II - No Sound Output Mark, All the circuit boards are connected via edge connectors. When any problem occurs with the 700 I remove eack board, clean each connector, and use a small pointed tool to bend each tine slightly inwards to improve contact tension. These steps will probably correct your problem. Specifically, the head connector is between the transport and the electronics IIRC. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Mark Exstedt Sent: Jul 10, 2008 11:59 AM To: "naktalk at naks.com" Subject: [naktalk] 700 II - No Sound Output The unit plays, but no sound output thru the headphone jack or the RCA outputs. Both left and right meters stay at their lowest position during play. What could be the problem? What can I do? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks. Making the world a better place one message at a time. Check out the i'm Talkathon. Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 _________________________________________________________________ Suspicious message? There’s an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00000 URL: From Julian.Bunn at caltech.edu Fri Dec 19 05:20:50 2008 From: Julian.Bunn at caltech.edu (Julian Bunn) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:20:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Julian's Nak RX505 In-Reply-To: <494AD229.7020608@verizon.net> References: <494145AA0000648A@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> <494A841A.8010306@caltech.edu> <494AD229.7020608@verizon.net> Message-ID: <494B2122.6020500@caltech.edu> Thanks, Ron ... it's so long ago since I made a lot of these recordings, I've forgotten what tape deck I was using at the time! I *think* it was a JVC KD-A3 in 1982. I just placed an order for three packs of five XL-II C90s from J&R - they have them priced at $7.99 a pack, with free shipping, which appears to be an excellent deal (no affiliation etc.). Julian Ron wrote: > Julian Bunn wrote: >> Great: understood, Henk. >> >> I have been listening to several of the tapes I recorded >> years ago. I am flabbergasted by the excellent audio >> quality, even though they were recorded on an inferior >> deck. In fact, I have now begun to question the quality >> of my CD/DVD player: how can tapes sound so much >> better than CD? It doesn't make any technical sense to me. > This happened to me, as well. The many recordings i made > on a 582 sounded much better when played back on the > CR-7 that replaced it. >> Does anyone have an opinion on the quality of Maxell >> XLii C90 tapes, which are commonly available to buy in >> lots of five? I used to use TDK SA types, but they don't >> seem to be available any more. I feel I should stock up >> on blank cassettes before the supply dries up definitively! > Maxell XL-II is my favorite tape. The SA is second. IME, > both are excellent type II tapes. > > -- Ron > > >> >> Julian >> >> ScHenk wrote: >>> OK, Julian, >>> >>> The wheel to lubricate is the larger pulley of the two which are >>> connected >>> with the cambelt you have changed. The larger wheel is disposed >>> through the >>> frame and you can see the circlip holding it in place. A drop on this >>> circlip >>> will suffice. >>> >>> Actually, this is not the command wheel, that was my mistake. This is an >>> intermediate wheel before the command wheel. >>> >>> Succes in checking the rockers! There's a few foto's on my site that >>> might >>> help. Look at common repairs. >>> >>> Happy listening, >>> Henk Schenk >>> Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>> >>>> From: Julian Bunn >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:19:06 -0800 >>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 17 >>>> >>>> >>>> Many thanks, Henk. I am reassured about the Fade button :-) >>>> >>>> I am not sure how to identify all the different mechanical >>>> parts, in particular which is the commando wheel? I have >>>> downloaded the Service Manual, but find that the diagrams >>>> are not easy to interpret (probably due to grainy quality). >>>> >>>> Is there a site with photos of the mechanics of Nakamichi >>>> decks, with helpful arrows labelling the major parts? >>>> >>>> I'll check the pinch roller arms. What do people recommend >>>> for cleaning heads and pinch rollers - is isopropyl alcohol >>>> on a Q-tip alright? >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> Julian >>>> >>>> http://pcbunn.cacr.caltech.edu/jjb/nakamichi >>>> >>>> ScHenk wrote: >>>>> Julian, >>>>> >>>>> Welcome to the sound of Nak cassette decks. A good RX-505 does >>>>> sound very >>>>> nice. >>>>> >>>>> The Fade buttons will only work when the machine is into Record or >>>>> Record/Pause >>>>> modes. The UP light will light all the time. This is not a sign of >>>>> malfunction. >>>>> Your machine is working as intended. >>>>> >>>>> The mechanical noise is most likely a result from a dry bearing of the >>>> large >>>>> commando wheel. Put a drop (no more) of light oil on the end of the >>>>> axle >>>>> (where the circlip is holding the wheel onto the axle) and let it work >>>> in. >>>>> This should do it. >>>>> >>>>> One thing to check is that the Pinch roller arms are moving freely. If >>>> those >>>>> are froozen up this will block the mechanism to get into play >>>>> (somewhat) >>>>> and then the cambelt will tend to slip. If the two pinch roller rocker >>>> arms >>>>> are completely free in moving the mechanism will be OK. >>>>> Succes, >>>>> Happy listening. >>>>> Henk Schenk >>>>> Netherlands >>>>> WWW.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>>>>> Message: 12 >>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:50:46 -0800 >>>>>> From: Julian Bunn >>>>>> Subject: [naktalk] New member: RX-505 Master Fade Up >>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> Message-ID: <49487716.2080208 at caltech.edu> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>> >>>>>> I just received a nice RX-505 - my first Nakamichi - which >>>>>> the previous owner had had in storage for some years, and >>>>>> which he reported would not play. I found that the >>>>>> control motor belt was slipping, but was able to clean it >>>>>> and the pulleys, and now the deck is functioning well. >>>>>> Cosmetically it is in pristine condition, and came in the >>>>>> original packing box and with the original owner's manual. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was astonished at the sound quality when I played one >>>>>> of my metal tapes recorded many years ago (and which was >>>>>> unlistened to since then). >>>>>> >>>>>> There are a couple of things I am not sure are correct: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) the Master Fade Up button light is always lit. Pressing >>>>>> the Master Fade Down button does not cause its light to >>>>>> come on, or the Up button's light to extinuish. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) When going from Play to Stop there is some mechanical >>>>>> noise - like a whirring sound. It's not excessive, but I'd >>>>>> like to know if it indicates a problem, or if it is normal. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd welcome some advice on the above, and any other tips >>>>>> on checking out a deck that hasn't been played for some >>>>>> years. >>>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks, >>>>>> Julian >>>>>> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 05:36:55 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:36:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS In-Reply-To: <8856F1A7-047B-4823-BC85-3FAF244929EE@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <691489.19789.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> HI LP, Have you got the Azimuth Adjustment working yet? Once that is done, is the deck putting out 400Hz when turned on from the front panel? Rgds, BG Luis Peromarta wrote: Dear all, while I continue to work on the deck, I come to this new problem. The deck refuses to start BIAS while recording, thus rendering all recorded signals heavily distorted. The osc. is good, because I have managed to start it and adjust it with the help of the auxiliary test unit. This certainly seems like a logic problem, anyone has faced this problem before? Thanks a lot in advance, and best rds, LP. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Once that is done, > is the deck putting out 400Hz when turned on from the front panel? > > Rgds, > BG > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > Dear all, > > while I continue to work on the deck, I come to this new problem. > > The deck refuses to start BIAS while recording, thus rendering all > recorded signals heavily distorted. > > The osc. is good, because I have managed to start it and adjust it > with the help of the auxiliary test unit. > > This certainly seems like a logic problem, anyone has faced this > problem before? > > Thanks a lot in advance, and best rds, LP. > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 10:13:46 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:13:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS In-Reply-To: <781E81BB-75AE-4FD1-A303-D57314FA4101@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <609705.77712.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi LP, The azimuth should work irregardless of bias and level setting, if that's what your email below meant. First, get the azimuth correction circuit working by ensuring that the 400Hz signal is being fed to the record head connector (Computer Board B) and that the azimuth control section on the Logic PCB receives both channels of signals back from the tape. I assume at this point that playback is working fine. Withouth the azimuth working and being completed, it will not allow the computer to run it's sequence. Rgds, BG Luis Peromarta wrote: Hi Bala, thanks, yes 400hz world just fine. Azimuth not working because signal recorded on tape with no boas os very los and distorted. Enviado desde mi iPhone El 19/12/2008, a las 5:36, Bala Ganesh Chandra escribió: HI LP, Have you got the Azimuth Adjustment working yet? Once that is done, is the deck putting out 400Hz when turned on from the front panel? Rgds, BG Luis Peromarta wrote: Dear all, while I continue to work on the deck, I come to this new problem. The deck refuses to start BIAS while recording, thus rendering all recorded signals heavily distorted. The osc. is good, because I have managed to start it and adjust it with the help of the auxiliary test unit. This certainly seems like a logic problem, anyone has faced this problem before? 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URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Dec 19 11:23:28 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:23:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <16350239.1229646732324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16350239.1229646732324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2750BEC0-C540-4573-8616-F900AE8F04CE@kvglabs.com> Hi Ttom, On Dec 18, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Everyone KNOWS you can fix that distortion with feedback! Yes, but the interesting thing is that the difference among the tested opamps was very slight and difficult to detect r measure, yet the perceptibility of the differing magnitudes of crossover distortion was pronounced. > Drives me nuts. I assume you tested with a lot of gain? > tom brucker > I tend to err on the side of being "too thorough", so I tested at several different gains and compared the magnitudes; this established for me a "do not exceed limit" of gain at which crossover distortion became readily perceptible. The "winner" for my purpose was the opamp that provided the highest gain with the least perceptible as well as least measurable crossover distortion. All of which makes me crave a good 12AX7A or MFP102 afterward. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From luis at peromarta.org Fri Dec 19 11:41:35 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:41:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS In-Reply-To: <609705.77712.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <609705.77712.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bala, i don't mean the able sequence. I mean no bias whatsoever, so when recording the 400hz tone, only a very low very distorted signal is recorded, so no phase comparison can be done, so autoazimuth does not finish Enviado desde mi iPhone El 19/12/2008, a las 10:13, Bala Ganesh Chandra escribió: > Hi LP, > > The azimuth should work irregardless of bias and level setting, if > that's what your email below meant. First, get the azimuth > correction circuit working by ensuring that the 400Hz signal is > being fed to the record head connector (Computer Board B) and that > the azimuth control section on the Logic PCB receives both channels > of signals back from the tape. I assume at this point that playback > is working fine. Withouth the azimuth working and being completed, > it will not allow the computer to run it's sequence. > > Rgds, > BG > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > Hi Bala, thanks, yes 400hz world just fine. Azimuth not working > because signal recorded on tape with no boas os very los and > distorted. > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > El 19/12/2008, a las 5:36, Bala Ganesh Chandra > escribió: > >> HI LP, >> >> Have you got the Azimuth Adjustment working yet? Once that is done, >> is the deck putting out 400Hz when turned on from the front panel? >> >> Rgds, >> BG >> >> Luis Peromarta wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> while I continue to work on the deck, I come to this new problem. >> >> The deck refuses to start BIAS while recording, thus rendering all >> recorded signals heavily distorted. >> >> The osc. is good, because I have managed to start it and adjust it >> with the help of the auxiliary test unit. >> >> This certainly seems like a logic problem, anyone has faced this >> problem before? >> >> Thanks a lot in advance, and best rds, LP. >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Fri Dec 19 14:33:58 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:33:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Julian's Nak RX505 References: <494145AA0000648A@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> <494A841A.8010306@caltech.edu> <494AD229.7020608@verizon.net> <494B2122.6020500@caltech.edu> Message-ID: <002201c961de$7282f9b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Julian, no wonder you were impressed, the JVC decks were pretty sweet sounding. I had a KD-A7 that I purchased in '84. It had a lot of great features including some really hard heads, and a very solid solenoid controlled transport, that made for some consistently nice sounding recordings. I loaned my to a neighbour about 10 years ago and I think(hope) he still has it. I would be cautious of the Maxell XL II that are still available. I ordered a box of ten last winter and they suffer from drop outs a for the first few minutes. Sounds like the tape was stretched when it was loaded or maybe it was damaged by shipping equipment. Never did figure that one out. Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Bunn" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Julian's Nak RX505 > Thanks, Ron ... it's so long ago since I made a lot of these > recordings, I've forgotten what tape deck I was using at the > time! I *think* it was a JVC KD-A3 in 1982. > > I just placed an order for three packs of five XL-II C90s from > J&R - they have them priced at $7.99 a pack, with free shipping, > which appears to be an excellent deal (no affiliation etc.). > > Julian > > Ron wrote: >> Julian Bunn wrote: >>> Great: understood, Henk. >>> >>> I have been listening to several of the tapes I recorded >>> years ago. I am flabbergasted by the excellent audio >>> quality, even though they were recorded on an inferior >>> deck. In fact, I have now begun to question the quality >>> of my CD/DVD player: how can tapes sound so much >>> better than CD? It doesn't make any technical sense to me. >> This happened to me, as well. The many recordings i made >> on a 582 sounded much better when played back on the >> CR-7 that replaced it. >>> Does anyone have an opinion on the quality of Maxell >>> XLii C90 tapes, which are commonly available to buy in >>> lots of five? I used to use TDK SA types, but they don't >>> seem to be available any more. I feel I should stock up >>> on blank cassettes before the supply dries up definitively! >> Maxell XL-II is my favorite tape. The SA is second. IME, >> both are excellent type II tapes. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >>> >>> Julian >>> >>> ScHenk wrote: >>>> OK, Julian, >>>> >>>> The wheel to lubricate is the larger pulley of the two which are >>>> connected >>>> with the cambelt you have changed. The larger wheel is disposed through >>>> the >>>> frame and you can see the circlip holding it in place. A drop on this >>>> circlip >>>> will suffice. >>>> >>>> Actually, this is not the command wheel, that was my mistake. This is >>>> an >>>> intermediate wheel before the command wheel. >>>> >>>> Succes in checking the rockers! There's a few foto's on my site that >>>> might >>>> help. Look at common repairs. >>>> >>>> Happy listening, >>>> Henk Schenk >>>> Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>>> >>>>> From: Julian Bunn >>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:19:06 -0800 >>>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 17 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks, Henk. I am reassured about the Fade button :-) >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure how to identify all the different mechanical >>>>> parts, in particular which is the commando wheel? I have >>>>> downloaded the Service Manual, but find that the diagrams >>>>> are not easy to interpret (probably due to grainy quality). >>>>> >>>>> Is there a site with photos of the mechanics of Nakamichi >>>>> decks, with helpful arrows labelling the major parts? >>>>> >>>>> I'll check the pinch roller arms. What do people recommend >>>>> for cleaning heads and pinch rollers - is isopropyl alcohol >>>>> on a Q-tip alright? >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> Julian >>>>> >>>>> http://pcbunn.cacr.caltech.edu/jjb/nakamichi >>>>> >>>>> ScHenk wrote: >>>>>> Julian, >>>>>> >>>>>> Welcome to the sound of Nak cassette decks. A good RX-505 does sound >>>>>> very >>>>>> nice. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Fade buttons will only work when the machine is into Record or >>>>>> Record/Pause >>>>>> modes. The UP light will light all the time. This is not a sign of >>>>>> malfunction. >>>>>> Your machine is working as intended. >>>>>> >>>>>> The mechanical noise is most likely a result from a dry bearing of >>>>>> the >>>>> large >>>>>> commando wheel. Put a drop (no more) of light oil on the end of the >>>>>> axle >>>>>> (where the circlip is holding the wheel onto the axle) and let it >>>>>> work >>>>> in. >>>>>> This should do it. >>>>>> >>>>>> One thing to check is that the Pinch roller arms are moving freely. >>>>>> If >>>>> those >>>>>> are froozen up this will block the mechanism to get into play >>>>>> (somewhat) >>>>>> and then the cambelt will tend to slip. If the two pinch roller >>>>>> rocker >>>>> arms >>>>>> are completely free in moving the mechanism will be OK. >>>>>> Succes, >>>>>> Happy listening. >>>>>> Henk Schenk >>>>>> Netherlands >>>>>> WWW.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>>>>>> Message: 12 >>>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:50:46 -0800 >>>>>>> From: Julian Bunn >>>>>>> Subject: [naktalk] New member: RX-505 Master Fade Up >>>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>> Message-ID: <49487716.2080208 at caltech.edu> >>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just received a nice RX-505 - my first Nakamichi - which >>>>>>> the previous owner had had in storage for some years, and >>>>>>> which he reported would not play. I found that the >>>>>>> control motor belt was slipping, but was able to clean it >>>>>>> and the pulleys, and now the deck is functioning well. >>>>>>> Cosmetically it is in pristine condition, and came in the >>>>>>> original packing box and with the original owner's manual. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was astonished at the sound quality when I played one >>>>>>> of my metal tapes recorded many years ago (and which was >>>>>>> unlistened to since then). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are a couple of things I am not sure are correct: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) the Master Fade Up button light is always lit. Pressing >>>>>>> the Master Fade Down button does not cause its light to >>>>>>> come on, or the Up button's light to extinuish. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) When going from Play to Stop there is some mechanical >>>>>>> noise - like a whirring sound. It's not excessive, but I'd >>>>>>> like to know if it indicates a problem, or if it is normal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd welcome some advice on the above, and any other tips >>>>>>> on checking out a deck that hasn't been played for some >>>>>>> years. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Many thanks, >>>>>>> Julian >>>>>>> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Dec 19 14:47:36 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:47:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <16350239.1229646732324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16350239.1229646732324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <494BA5F8.3090702@verizon.net> I have no idea what 'everyone knows', but. first, feedback does not 'fix' distortion, it decreases it. And, second, I don't think feedback can be applied to an amp after the fact -- it must be included as an integral part of the overall circuit design. But I'm sure you know all that already. In general, feedback does not deserve the slam it's been getting -- mostly, from people that do not understand it. I like the description given in a circuit design course. Feedback was likened to a coat of paint applied to a piece of furniture. If the piece was of well designed and constructed, the paint enhanced it. But if a piece was poorly made in the first place, no amount of paint can ever 'fix' it. -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > Everyone KNOWS you can fix that distortion with feedback! > > Drives me nuts. I assume you tested with a lot of gain? > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kermit Gray >> Sent: Dec 16, 2008 2:10 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl >> >> Hey Ron, >> >> On Dec 16, 2008, at 8:26 AM, Ron wrote: >> >> >>> Kermit Gray wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Bala, >>>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2008, at 9:51 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I should have bought some stocks in Japan Radio Company! >>>>> >>>> Me too -- especially because I used the JRC 4558 and 4560 in my >>>> Type 99B battery-powered microphone preamplifier. The original >>>> version (Type 99A) used Signetics NE5534 and Burr-Brown OP-07, but >>>> the JRC version (which began life as a budget model) actually >>>> sounded better. Still don't know why. >>>> >>> Lower crossover distortion. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >> Yes! you're absolutely correct! I should have thought of that sooner. >> When I read your mess(age) I quickly breadboarded the two circuits and >> then -- this time -- looked at the 'scope for crossover distortion (in >> instead examining only the "usual suspects": square wave response, >> THD, IMD, &c.). The NE5534 used in the 99A does indeed exhibit greater >> crossover distortion than does either the 4558 or the JRC 4560 used in >> the 99B. >> >> Groovy! That's what I like about this business -- you're never too old >> to learn. >> >> -- Kermit Gray >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >> Skype ID: triodelicacy >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Dec 19 14:49:53 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:49:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <2750BEC0-C540-4573-8616-F900AE8F04CE@kvglabs.com> References: <16350239.1229646732324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <2750BEC0-C540-4573-8616-F900AE8F04CE@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: Shalom Kermit! What exactly you mean with this....Please... >All of which makes me crave a good 12AX7A< Do you need a good NOS 12AX7A/ECC-83?. Only say me & I will send you with all my heart!. Peace, ALEX! > From: notarbene at kvglabs.com > To: hitech77 at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl > Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:23:28 -0600 > CC: > > Hi Ttom, > > > On Dec 18, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > > > Everyone KNOWS you can fix that distortion with feedback! > > Yes, but the interesting thing is that the difference among the tested > opamps was very slight and difficult to detect r measure, yet the > perceptibility of the differing magnitudes of crossover distortion was > pronounced. > > > Drives me nuts. I assume you tested with a lot of gain? > > tom brucker > > > > > I tend to err on the side of being "too thorough", so I tested at > several different gains and compared the magnitudes; this established > for me a "do not exceed limit" of gain at which crossover distortion > became readily perceptible. The "winner" for my purpose was the opamp > that provided the highest gain with the least perceptible as well as > least measurable crossover distortion. All of which makes me crave a > good 12AX7A or MFP102 afterward. > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ It’s the same Hotmail®. If by “same” you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Dec 19 15:02:28 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:02:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <2750BEC0-C540-4573-8616-F900AE8F04CE@kvglabs.com> References: <16350239.1229646732324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <2750BEC0-C540-4573-8616-F900AE8F04CE@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <494BA974.7010505@verizon.net> As you know, it is easy to design crossover distortion out of class AB amp stages. This distortion sounds particularly obnoxious, as it consists mostly of odd harmonics. For this reason, it has been reduced or eliminated in op-amps intended for audio applications. A case in point: the OPA2134 is all but free of it. I have never tested the OP275, but (just by listening) I believe it's the same. -- Ron Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Ttom, > > > On Dec 18, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > >> Everyone KNOWS you can fix that distortion with feedback! > > Yes, but the interesting thing is that the difference among the tested > opamps was very slight and difficult to detect r measure, yet the > perceptibility of the differing magnitudes of crossover distortion was > pronounced. > >> Drives me nuts. I assume you tested with a lot of gain? >> tom brucker > >> > > I tend to err on the side of being "too thorough", so I tested at > several different gains and compared the magnitudes; this established > for me a "do not exceed limit" of gain at which crossover distortion > became readily perceptible. The "winner" for my purpose was the opamp > that provided the highest gain with the least perceptible as well as > least measurable crossover distortion. All of which makes me crave a > good 12AX7A or MFP102 afterward. > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Fri Dec 19 17:25:27 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:25:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Julian's Nak RX505 In-Reply-To: <002201c961de$7282f9b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: Seems like I bought a bad batch of Maxells too. I purchased 30 and many of the tapes have strange dropouts and one was so bad, I returned it to Maxell. I've had better luck with TDK SAs. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rainer & Joy-Ell Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 8:34 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Julian's Nak RX505 Julian, no wonder you were impressed, the JVC decks were pretty sweet sounding. I had a KD-A7 that I purchased in '84. It had a lot of great features including some really hard heads, and a very solid solenoid controlled transport, that made for some consistently nice sounding recordings. I loaned my to a neighbour about 10 years ago and I think(hope) he still has it. I would be cautious of the Maxell XL II that are still available. I ordered a box of ten last winter and they suffer from drop outs a for the first few minutes. Sounds like the tape was stretched when it was loaded or maybe it was damaged by shipping equipment. Never did figure that one out. Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Bunn" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Julian's Nak RX505 > Thanks, Ron ... it's so long ago since I made a lot of these > recordings, I've forgotten what tape deck I was using at the > time! I *think* it was a JVC KD-A3 in 1982. > > I just placed an order for three packs of five XL-II C90s from > J&R - they have them priced at $7.99 a pack, with free shipping, > which appears to be an excellent deal (no affiliation etc.). > > Julian > > Ron wrote: >> Julian Bunn wrote: >>> Great: understood, Henk. >>> >>> I have been listening to several of the tapes I recorded >>> years ago. I am flabbergasted by the excellent audio >>> quality, even though they were recorded on an inferior >>> deck. In fact, I have now begun to question the quality >>> of my CD/DVD player: how can tapes sound so much >>> better than CD? It doesn't make any technical sense to me. >> This happened to me, as well. The many recordings i made >> on a 582 sounded much better when played back on the >> CR-7 that replaced it. >>> Does anyone have an opinion on the quality of Maxell >>> XLii C90 tapes, which are commonly available to buy in >>> lots of five? I used to use TDK SA types, but they don't >>> seem to be available any more. I feel I should stock up >>> on blank cassettes before the supply dries up definitively! >> Maxell XL-II is my favorite tape. The SA is second. IME, >> both are excellent type II tapes. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >>> >>> Julian >>> >>> ScHenk wrote: >>>> OK, Julian, >>>> >>>> The wheel to lubricate is the larger pulley of the two which are >>>> connected >>>> with the cambelt you have changed. The larger wheel is disposed through >>>> the >>>> frame and you can see the circlip holding it in place. A drop on this >>>> circlip >>>> will suffice. >>>> >>>> Actually, this is not the command wheel, that was my mistake. This is >>>> an >>>> intermediate wheel before the command wheel. >>>> >>>> Succes in checking the rockers! There's a few foto's on my site that >>>> might >>>> help. Look at common repairs. >>>> >>>> Happy listening, >>>> Henk Schenk >>>> Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>>> >>>>> From: Julian Bunn >>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:19:06 -0800 >>>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 17 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks, Henk. I am reassured about the Fade button :-) >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure how to identify all the different mechanical >>>>> parts, in particular which is the commando wheel? I have >>>>> downloaded the Service Manual, but find that the diagrams >>>>> are not easy to interpret (probably due to grainy quality). >>>>> >>>>> Is there a site with photos of the mechanics of Nakamichi >>>>> decks, with helpful arrows labelling the major parts? >>>>> >>>>> I'll check the pinch roller arms. What do people recommend >>>>> for cleaning heads and pinch rollers - is isopropyl alcohol >>>>> on a Q-tip alright? >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> Julian >>>>> >>>>> http://pcbunn.cacr.caltech.edu/jjb/nakamichi >>>>> >>>>> ScHenk wrote: >>>>>> Julian, >>>>>> >>>>>> Welcome to the sound of Nak cassette decks. A good RX-505 does sound >>>>>> very >>>>>> nice. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Fade buttons will only work when the machine is into Record or >>>>>> Record/Pause >>>>>> modes. The UP light will light all the time. This is not a sign of >>>>>> malfunction. >>>>>> Your machine is working as intended. >>>>>> >>>>>> The mechanical noise is most likely a result from a dry bearing of >>>>>> the >>>>> large >>>>>> commando wheel. Put a drop (no more) of light oil on the end of the >>>>>> axle >>>>>> (where the circlip is holding the wheel onto the axle) and let it >>>>>> work >>>>> in. >>>>>> This should do it. >>>>>> >>>>>> One thing to check is that the Pinch roller arms are moving freely. >>>>>> If >>>>> those >>>>>> are froozen up this will block the mechanism to get into play >>>>>> (somewhat) >>>>>> and then the cambelt will tend to slip. If the two pinch roller >>>>>> rocker >>>>> arms >>>>>> are completely free in moving the mechanism will be OK. >>>>>> Succes, >>>>>> Happy listening. >>>>>> Henk Schenk >>>>>> Netherlands >>>>>> WWW.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>>>>>> Message: 12 >>>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:50:46 -0800 >>>>>>> From: Julian Bunn >>>>>>> Subject: [naktalk] New member: RX-505 Master Fade Up >>>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>> Message-ID: <49487716.2080208 at caltech.edu> >>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just received a nice RX-505 - my first Nakamichi - which >>>>>>> the previous owner had had in storage for some years, and >>>>>>> which he reported would not play. I found that the >>>>>>> control motor belt was slipping, but was able to clean it >>>>>>> and the pulleys, and now the deck is functioning well. >>>>>>> Cosmetically it is in pristine condition, and came in the >>>>>>> original packing box and with the original owner's manual. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was astonished at the sound quality when I played one >>>>>>> of my metal tapes recorded many years ago (and which was >>>>>>> unlistened to since then). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are a couple of things I am not sure are correct: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) the Master Fade Up button light is always lit. Pressing >>>>>>> the Master Fade Down button does not cause its light to >>>>>>> come on, or the Up button's light to extinuish. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) When going from Play to Stop there is some mechanical >>>>>>> noise - like a whirring sound. It's not excessive, but I'd >>>>>>> like to know if it indicates a problem, or if it is normal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd welcome some advice on the above, and any other tips >>>>>>> on checking out a deck that hasn't been played for some >>>>>>> years. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Many thanks, >>>>>>> Julian >>>>>>> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Julian.Bunn at caltech.edu Fri Dec 19 18:15:49 2008 From: Julian.Bunn at caltech.edu (Julian Bunn) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:15:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Julian's Nak RX505 In-Reply-To: <002201c961de$7282f9b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <494145AA0000648A@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> <494A841A.8010306@caltech.edu> <494AD229.7020608@verizon.net> <494B2122.6020500@caltech.edu> <002201c961de$7282f9b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <494BD6C5.7000103@caltech.edu> Rainer, that's interesting to hear, that the JVC were good decks. I recall there was a proprietary noise reduction system mine used called "Super ANRS" ... perhaps common to all JVC decks. Thanks for the warning about the new Maxell XL II ... I hope they aren't that bad. I made some recordings on an old XL II tape last night: the ability to monitor the recorded signal while fiddling with the bias/eq etc. is such a boon! On that particular tape I found that the first minute or so recorded poorly, with dropouts, so I just started the music a but later. Today I have an RX-202 arriving - it's missing the front clear plastic cassette cover. Are these Unobtainium? Julian Rainer & Joy-Ell wrote: > Julian, no wonder you were impressed, the JVC decks were pretty sweet > sounding. I had a KD-A7 that I purchased in '84. It had a lot of great > features including some really hard heads, and a very solid solenoid > controlled transport, that made for some consistently nice sounding > recordings. I loaned my to a neighbour about 10 years ago and I > think(hope) he still has it. > I would be cautious of the Maxell XL II that are still available. I > ordered a box of ten last winter and they suffer from drop outs a for > the first few minutes. Sounds like the tape was stretched when it was > loaded or maybe it was damaged by shipping equipment. Never did figure > that one out. > > Rainer > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Bunn" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Julian's Nak RX505 > > >> Thanks, Ron ... it's so long ago since I made a lot of these >> recordings, I've forgotten what tape deck I was using at the >> time! I *think* it was a JVC KD-A3 in 1982. >> >> I just placed an order for three packs of five XL-II C90s from >> J&R - they have them priced at $7.99 a pack, with free shipping, >> which appears to be an excellent deal (no affiliation etc.). >> >> Julian >> >> Ron wrote: >>> Julian Bunn wrote: >>>> Great: understood, Henk. >>>> >>>> I have been listening to several of the tapes I recorded >>>> years ago. I am flabbergasted by the excellent audio >>>> quality, even though they were recorded on an inferior >>>> deck. In fact, I have now begun to question the quality >>>> of my CD/DVD player: how can tapes sound so much >>>> better than CD? It doesn't make any technical sense to me. >>> This happened to me, as well. The many recordings i made >>> on a 582 sounded much better when played back on the >>> CR-7 that replaced it. >>>> Does anyone have an opinion on the quality of Maxell >>>> XLii C90 tapes, which are commonly available to buy in >>>> lots of five? I used to use TDK SA types, but they don't >>>> seem to be available any more. I feel I should stock up >>>> on blank cassettes before the supply dries up definitively! >>> Maxell XL-II is my favorite tape. The SA is second. IME, >>> both are excellent type II tapes. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Julian >>>> >>>> ScHenk wrote: >>>>> OK, Julian, >>>>> >>>>> The wheel to lubricate is the larger pulley of the two which are >>>>> connected >>>>> with the cambelt you have changed. The larger wheel is disposed >>>>> through the >>>>> frame and you can see the circlip holding it in place. A drop on >>>>> this circlip >>>>> will suffice. >>>>> >>>>> Actually, this is not the command wheel, that was my mistake. This >>>>> is an >>>>> intermediate wheel before the command wheel. >>>>> >>>>> Succes in checking the rockers! There's a few foto's on my site >>>>> that might >>>>> help. Look at common repairs. >>>>> >>>>> Happy listening, >>>>> Henk Schenk >>>>> Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>>>> >>>>>> From: Julian Bunn >>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:19:06 -0800 >>>>>> Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Betr: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 17 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks, Henk. I am reassured about the Fade button :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not sure how to identify all the different mechanical >>>>>> parts, in particular which is the commando wheel? I have >>>>>> downloaded the Service Manual, but find that the diagrams >>>>>> are not easy to interpret (probably due to grainy quality). >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a site with photos of the mechanics of Nakamichi >>>>>> decks, with helpful arrows labelling the major parts? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll check the pinch roller arms. What do people recommend >>>>>> for cleaning heads and pinch rollers - is isopropyl alcohol >>>>>> on a Q-tip alright? >>>>>> >>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>> Julian >>>>>> >>>>>> http://pcbunn.cacr.caltech.edu/jjb/nakamichi >>>>>> >>>>>> ScHenk wrote: >>>>>>> Julian, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Welcome to the sound of Nak cassette decks. A good RX-505 does >>>>>>> sound very >>>>>>> nice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Fade buttons will only work when the machine is into Record >>>>>>> or Record/Pause >>>>>>> modes. The UP light will light all the time. This is not a sign >>>>>>> of malfunction. >>>>>>> Your machine is working as intended. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The mechanical noise is most likely a result from a dry bearing >>>>>>> of the >>>>>> large >>>>>>> commando wheel. Put a drop (no more) of light oil on the end of >>>>>>> the axle >>>>>>> (where the circlip is holding the wheel onto the axle) and let it >>>>>>> work >>>>>> in. >>>>>>> This should do it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One thing to check is that the Pinch roller arms are moving >>>>>>> freely. If >>>>>> those >>>>>>> are froozen up this will block the mechanism to get into play >>>>>>> (somewhat) >>>>>>> and then the cambelt will tend to slip. If the two pinch roller >>>>>>> rocker >>>>>> arms >>>>>>> are completely free in moving the mechanism will be OK. >>>>>>> Succes, >>>>>>> Happy listening. >>>>>>> Henk Schenk >>>>>>> Netherlands >>>>>>> WWW.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>>>>>>> Message: 12 >>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:50:46 -0800 >>>>>>>> From: Julian Bunn >>>>>>>> Subject: [naktalk] New member: RX-505 Master Fade Up >>>>>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>>>>> Message-ID: <49487716.2080208 at caltech.edu> >>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just received a nice RX-505 - my first Nakamichi - which >>>>>>>> the previous owner had had in storage for some years, and >>>>>>>> which he reported would not play. I found that the >>>>>>>> control motor belt was slipping, but was able to clean it >>>>>>>> and the pulleys, and now the deck is functioning well. >>>>>>>> Cosmetically it is in pristine condition, and came in the >>>>>>>> original packing box and with the original owner's manual. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was astonished at the sound quality when I played one >>>>>>>> of my metal tapes recorded many years ago (and which was >>>>>>>> unlistened to since then). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are a couple of things I am not sure are correct: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1) the Master Fade Up button light is always lit. Pressing >>>>>>>> the Master Fade Down button does not cause its light to >>>>>>>> come on, or the Up button's light to extinuish. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2) When going from Play to Stop there is some mechanical >>>>>>>> noise - like a whirring sound. It's not excessive, but I'd >>>>>>>> like to know if it indicates a problem, or if it is normal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd welcome some advice on the above, and any other tips >>>>>>>> on checking out a deck that hasn't been played for some >>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many thanks, >>>>>>>> Julian >>>>>>>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Erik Hi Erik If you find them, please upload them to ebaman With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.ebaman.com Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 19 20:58:20 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:58:20 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl Message-ID: <15652127.1229716700679.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> My first point was supposed to be funny. Many high end audio designers will pull down the output stage in an op amp, forcing it to run class A, and eliminating the class B notch. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Ron >Sent: Dec 19, 2008 8:02 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl > > >As you know, it is easy to design crossover distortion out of >class AB amp stages. This distortion sounds particularly >obnoxious, as it consists mostly of odd harmonics. For this >reason, it has been reduced or eliminated in op-amps intended >for audio applications. A case in point: the OPA2134 is all but >free of it. I have never tested the OP275, but (just by listening) >I believe it's the same. > >-- Ron > > > >Kermit Gray wrote: >> Hi Ttom, >> >> >> On Dec 18, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: >> >>> Everyone KNOWS you can fix that distortion with feedback! >> >> Yes, but the interesting thing is that the difference among the tested >> opamps was very slight and difficult to detect r measure, yet the >> perceptibility of the differing magnitudes of crossover distortion was >> pronounced. >> >>> Drives me nuts. I assume you tested with a lot of gain? >>> tom brucker >> >>> >> >> I tend to err on the side of being "too thorough", so I tested at >> several different gains and compared the magnitudes; this established >> for me a "do not exceed limit" of gain at which crossover distortion >> became readily perceptible. The "winner" for my purpose was the opamp >> that provided the highest gain with the least perceptible as well as >> least measurable crossover distortion. All of which makes me crave a >> good 12AX7A or MFP102 afterward. >> >> >> -- Kermit Gray >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >> Skype ID: triodelicacy > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Dec 19 21:55:35 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:55:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <494BA5F8.3090702@verizon.net> References: <16350239.1229646732324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <494BA5F8.3090702@verizon.net> Message-ID: <713F3610-9217-4616-BD2C-A1C27B3E7CC1@kvglabs.com> Hey Ron, On Dec 19, 2008, at 7:47 AM, Ron wrote: > In general, feedback does not deserve the slam it's been > getting -- mostly, from people that do not understand it. I like > the description given in a circuit design course. Feedback was > likened to a coat of paint applied to a piece of furniture. If the > piece was of well designed and constructed, the paint enhanced > it. But if a piece was poorly made in the first place, no amount > of paint can ever 'fix' it. Well, right on, man! I'm delighted to see somebody state this finally. Like I tell my students, design technique is far more important than the technology in the design. However, in balance, I do understand why some listeners prefer the sound of amplifiers lacking inverse feedback; it does create a different sound and listening experience. I continue to be pleased with the superb sound Nakamichi engineers achieved with the very same opamps that gave the harsh and ugly sound to numerous other products made by the likes of Uher, Shure, Sankyo and too many others. Compare a Nakamichi BX-anything to a Uher 4440 Report IC. Although my favorite Nakamichi models continue to be the pre-1980 designs, I also enjoy the 680ZX immensely. It's a different sound, and in many ways it sounds like what CDs promised to be -- clear treble, powerful fast bass, with vivid spatial imaging. I admit to being disappointed with the sound of the BX-2 I have, but then I get jarred back to reality every time I hear anything made by Uher, Pioneer or too many other brands. So, on balance, I won't criticize a BX-2. Hey, it's that or a Pioneer Ct-F7171. Sniff. The saddest thing is I prefer the sound of my old Pioneer CT-4141 (40 - 14,000 cps with chrome bias tape, 40-11,000 cps with normal bias tape) to an MP3 player! Then again, MP3 player versus 8-track cartridge is a tie, to my ears. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Dec 19 22:01:46 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:01:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Julian's Nak RX505 In-Reply-To: <494A841A.8010306@caltech.edu> References: <494145AA0000648A@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> <494A841A.8010306@caltech.edu> Message-ID: <5F7FE5C7-CE1E-440F-97E9-E2AB32E66E56@kvglabs.com> Hi Julian, Maxell XLII tapes are very good, I use them myself. Sony's CDit chrome tapes (I think that's the name) are also good but they seem to sound a bit brittle, even with optimum bias. I'd encourage you to try Maxell's MS Studio Pro cassettes instead of XLII. These are my preferred new production tape. The MS Studio Pro is cleaner, has lower dropouts, exhibits lower modulation noise, has a better signal-to-noise ratio and renders treble more warmly without dulling the treble; it's quite natural and open sounding. In comparison, the XLII is a bit brighter, lacks a little bass definition and has more of a "recorded sound" feel than the MS Studio Pro. At least, that's my impressions with my 500, 550, 600, 600-II, and 680ZX. On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Julian Bunn wrote: > Great: understood, Henk. > > I have been listening to several of the tapes I recorded > years ago. I am flabbergasted by the excellent audio > quality, even though they were recorded on an inferior > deck. In fact, I have now begun to question the quality > of my CD/DVD player: how can tapes sound so much better > than CD? It doesn't make any technical sense to me. > > Does anyone have an opinion on the quality of Maxell > XLii C90 tapes, which are commonly available to buy in > lots of five? I used to use TDK SA types, but they don't > seem to be available any more. I feel I should stock up > on blank cassettes before the supply dries up definitively! > > Julian -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 19 23:16:32 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:16:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Julian's Nak RX505 In-Reply-To: <5F7FE5C7-CE1E-440F-97E9-E2AB32E66E56@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <837063.39977.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, How about the English made Maxell XLII-S tapes that were just stopped manufacture last year or so? IMHO, these are great high bias tapes on any Nak.These are getting pricier now. I have only one issue with the newer(blue) TDK SA., which is their shells being molded with no screws. However, the recordings on them is of a very high quality and the tape is very cheap, sometimes going for a $1.25 a piece. I personally prefer the metal bias tapes to any other types for their greater MOL and usually better shell designs. Happy Holidays all! Regards, Ram --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Kermit Gray wrote: From: Kermit Gray Subject: Re: [naktalk] Julian's Nak RX505 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 4:01 PM Hi Julian, Maxell XLII tapes are very good, I use them myself. Sony's CDit chrome tapes (I think that's the name) are also good but they seem to sound a bit brittle, even with optimum bias. I'd encourage you to try Maxell's MS Studio Pro cassettes instead of XLII. These are my preferred new production tape. The MS Studio Pro is cleaner, has lower dropouts, exhibits lower modulation noise, has a better signal-to-noise ratio and renders treble more warmly without dulling the treble; it's quite natural and open sounding. In comparison, the XLII is a bit brighter, lacks a little bass definition and has more of a "recorded sound" feel than the MS Studio Pro. At least, that's my impressions with my 500, 550, 600, 600-II, and 680ZX. On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Julian Bunn wrote: > Great: understood, Henk. > > I have been listening to several of the tapes I recorded > years ago. I am flabbergasted by the excellent audio > quality, even though they were recorded on an inferior > deck. In fact, I have now begun to question the quality > of my CD/DVD player: how can tapes sound so much better > than CD? It doesn't make any technical sense to me. > > Does anyone have an opinion on the quality of Maxell > XLii C90 tapes, which are commonly available to buy in > lots of five? I used to use TDK SA types, but they don't > seem to be available any more. I feel I should stock up > on blank cassettes before the supply dries up definitively! > > Julian -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Dec 19 23:31:16 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:31:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <15652127.1229716700679.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <15652127.1229716700679.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <494C20B4.8020602@verizon.net> Yea, I got the sarcasm... Some older op-amp designs do respond well to pulling down the output, but not all.. In this day and age, when audio op-amps having < 0.001% THD are plentiful and cheap, why fiddle with vintage op-amps? BTW, Michael Fremer (Analog Corner column, last Stereophile issue) actually stated that 'there is nothing wrong with op-amps. The guy is getting soft on crime. Next thing you know, he'll prefer SS to tubes :-). -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > My first point was supposed to be funny. Many high end audio designers will pull down the output stage in an op amp, forcing it to run class A, and eliminating the class B notch. > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ron >> Sent: Dec 19, 2008 8:02 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl >> >> >> As you know, it is easy to design crossover distortion out of >> class AB amp stages. This distortion sounds particularly >> obnoxious, as it consists mostly of odd harmonics. For this >> reason, it has been reduced or eliminated in op-amps intended >> for audio applications. A case in point: the OPA2134 is all but >> free of it. I have never tested the OP275, but (just by listening) >> I believe it's the same. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Kermit Gray wrote: >> >>> Hi Ttom, >>> >>> >>> On Dec 18, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Everyone KNOWS you can fix that distortion with feedback! >>>> >>> Yes, but the interesting thing is that the difference among the tested >>> opamps was very slight and difficult to detect r measure, yet the >>> perceptibility of the differing magnitudes of crossover distortion was >>> pronounced. >>> >>> >>>> Drives me nuts. I assume you tested with a lot of gain? >>>> tom brucker >>>> >>> I tend to err on the side of being "too thorough", so I tested at >>> several different gains and compared the magnitudes; this established >>> for me a "do not exceed limit" of gain at which crossover distortion >>> became readily perceptible. The "winner" for my purpose was the opamp >>> that provided the highest gain with the least perceptible as well as >>> least measurable crossover distortion. All of which makes me crave a >>> good 12AX7A or MFP102 afterward. >>> >>> >>> -- Kermit Gray >>> notarbene at kvglabs.com >>> KVG Laboratories >>> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >>> 16371 Lake Point Drive >>> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >>> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >>> Skype ID: triodelicacy >>> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-924 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 19 23:43:38 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:43:38 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] calibration cassettes Message-ID: <21049270.1229726618225.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Victor, I'd be happy to. I think one sample will be enough. Please, set a price for your/Tom's Dolby operating level cassette! Is Tom interested in loading his bulk azimuth tape into cassettes, or have the two of you determined that the frequency is too low? tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Victor Gabrenas >Sent: Jul 14, 2008 4:33 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] calibration cassettes > >I have recently acquired a Studer A-80 QCR. Full track recorder. Currently I >am creating 15KHz azimuth, 400Hz level, 15KHz level cassettes. Anyone >interested in testing a cassette or two? > >They are high bias BASF reference tapes. So far I have verified the levels >with the Nakamichi tapes I have. The process is very time consuming. They >are recorded in real time out of the shell. If there is a demand for it, I >may produce them as needed. > > >Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 >University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 >Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Dec 20 02:45:49 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:45:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <494C20B4.8020602@verizon.net> References: <15652127.1229716700679.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <494C20B4.8020602@verizon.net> Message-ID: <985FD377-0E48-476C-B81A-B9C69B39DAA3@kvglabs.com> hi Ron, On Dec 19, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Ron wrote: > > Yea, I got the sarcasm... Some older op-amp designs do respond > well to pulling down the output, but not all.. In this day and age, > when audio op-amps having < 0.001% THD are plentiful and cheap, > why fiddle with vintage op-amps? For the same reason we "fiddle" with "vintage" technologies like LPs, and cassette decks. Some listeners prefer the sound that can be created by the older types of opamps. > BTW, Michael Fremer (Analog Corner column, last Stereophile > issue) actually stated that 'there is nothing wrong with op-amps. > The guy is getting soft on crime. Next thing you know, he'll prefer > SS to tubes :-). Michael Fremer is in the business of selling magazine issues, so the controversy sparked among readership by a changing position on SS v. tubes creates increased attention, translating into increased sales. Some magazines, unfortunately, pander to various "a versus b" arguments (tubes vs solid state, analog versus digital, multitrack versus minimalist/purist, &c.), instead of balancing -- or neutralizing -- them with the cold reality that we all have different listening tastes, just we all have different culinary tastes and sartorial styles; and that no one technology or approach, ultimately, is a universal "best." Frankly, I blame the popular hifi press for the rise of these worthless (and rancorous) dialectics, and I have little respect for the controversy-mongers among the columnists and editorial staffs of magazines such as Stereophile. They do their readers a disservice by allowing, no, more to the point -- by encouraging the audio community to fracture into factions, then pitting those factions against each other by prodding them with editorial positions taken in their columns that are inherently flawed and imbalanced, apparently intended to inflame one point of view or the other. At one time, you never saw the silly a -vs-b arguments -- at least not until the popular hifi press discovered they could boost readership by the attention gained from such controversy. A pox on them all, as Shakespeare oft said. Which is why you won't find Stereophile or many other hifi magazines cluttering my shelves. I miss the truly educational and editorially- balanced magazines of old, like Stereo Review, Audio and HiFi. Remember all those excellent columns by Julian Hirsch in Stereo Review? I've though of launching a properly-balanced, informative, bias-free audio magazine (even a web-only one), but just do not have time to do so. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From luis at peromarta.org Sat Dec 20 11:02:39 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:02:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS In-Reply-To: References: <609705.77712.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bala, and all, To simpify things: Load a tape, start recording, and NO BIAS. So I cna't record even a 400Hz test signal. I have tested the erase head while going into rec mode, and has aprox 8V, 52Khz which seems fine. I can however, connect the test unit, command the deck to start BIAS, and then record. Recording of 400 Hz is then fine (uncalibrated, however). What is preventing the BIAS osc. from starting? Thanks, best rgds, LP. El 19/12/2008, a las 11:41, Luis Peromarta escribió: > Bala, i don't mean the able sequence. I mean no bias whatsoever, so > when recording the 400hz tone, only a very low very distorted > signal is recorded, so no phase comparison can be done, so > autoazimuth does not finish > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > El 19/12/2008, a las 10:13, Bala Ganesh Chandra > escribió: > >> Hi LP, >> >> The azimuth should work irregardless of bias and level setting, if >> that's what your email below meant. First, get the azimuth >> correction circuit working by ensuring that the 400Hz signal is >> being fed to the record head connector (Computer Board B) and that >> the azimuth control section on the Logic PCB receives both channels >> of signals back from the tape. I assume at this point that playback >> is working fine. Withouth the azimuth working and being completed, >> it will not allow the computer to run it's sequence. >> >> Rgds, >> BG >> >> Luis Peromarta wrote: >> Hi Bala, thanks, yes 400hz world just fine. Azimuth not working >> because signal recorded on tape with no boas os very los and >> distorted. >> >> Enviado desde mi iPhone >> >> El 19/12/2008, a las 5:36, Bala Ganesh Chandra >> escribió: >> >>> HI LP, >>> >>> Have you got the Azimuth Adjustment working yet? Once that is >>> done, is the deck putting out 400Hz when turned on from the front >>> panel? >>> >>> Rgds, >>> BG >>> >>> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> while I continue to work on the deck, I come to this new problem. >>> >>> The deck refuses to start BIAS while recording, thus rendering all >>> recorded signals heavily distorted. >>> >>> The osc. is good, because I have managed to start it and adjust it >>> with the help of the auxiliary test unit. >>> >>> This certainly seems like a logic problem, anyone has faced this >>> problem before? >>> >>> Thanks a lot in advance, and best rds, LP. >>> >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Dec 20 00:57:26 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:57:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reel motor for sankyo transports - Update In-Reply-To: <4938265F.2010303@verizon.net> References: <174650.7981.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <4937E505.4060906@verizon.net> <4937FE73.2010106@verizon.net> <4938265F.2010303@verizon.net> Message-ID: <494C34E6.2090105@verizon.net> Well, I installed this motor in a BX-100. To test, I located an old C-120 cassette that has been played many times (worst case cassette, as the slip sheets would be worn and not as smooth as when new). and set the deck for auto play (meaning, it plays to the end, then rewinds to the beginning, then repeats again and again until stopped manually) and let it run overnight for 24 hours. All was well. OTOH, FF and REW were a bit slow compared to the original motor. FF, beginning to end, took 5:07 minutes vs. 3:35 minutes for the original motor. REW, end to beginning, took 5:36 vs. 3:24 for the original. Some owners won't mind the lower speed while others may be bent out of shape. Personally, I would have no problems using this motor to replace a bad reel motor. especially on the low end decks. I eye balled the motor in a parts DD transport. The transport was missing parts and could not be run. However, I believe (but am not absolutely sure) that the motor will fit. *Anyone that wants a new reel motor installed in their direct drive deck (preferably, with a gear idler) for the price of shipping the deck back and forth to MA, please let me know.* Some thoughts... Replacement was a bit more difficult than usual, since the mounting holes on the.holder plate had to be enlarged (drilled through with an 1/8" drill ) and slotted (used a 1/8" router bit -- $7 at sears). In addition, the mounting screws have to be replaced with metric 3 X 0.5 3mm long screws. I will supply screws if I get orders for 5 or more motors. The motor is new. Price is $10 plus shipping (it's small enough to be mailed in a standard size padded envelope). Demand for this motor is bound to be small, if not nil I think I have enough of these to meet this demand :-). -- Ron Ron wrote: > There has been some discussion around sources and availability of reel > motors for Sankyo transports.. Well, I happen to have on hand a small > supply of similar motors, that should be applicable as reel motors. These > are model RF-370CN, brand new (removed from new equipment that > was never put into service) and very reasonable. There are enough to > meet not only my own needs, but probably most on this list. > > Physically, these motors are not identical to original Nak reel motors. > Body is slightly longer, with a slightly smaller diameter. Shaft length > is very close to the original. However, the mounting holes are closer > together, so it will be necessary to slot the holes in the mounting plate > (Nakamichi calls it "reel motor holder", P/N OC80030A in the CR > series). Otherwise, it should fit nicely into all Sankyo transports, > including the DD models. > > The good news is that this motor runs reliably at 1.4V (no load), > which is the prime requirement from reel motors (12V Mabuchi > motors that I have measured required 3V and up and were not > suitable). > > Of course, the only way to be sure is to test by installing the motor > and testing for extended periods, mostly in PB mode. This has to be > done at least 3 time -- on both belt and direct drive models, and > also on rubber and gears idlers. I happen to have on hand a rubber > idler BX-100, that will serve as the first test bed. Once (and if) > successful, I will post a call for anyone that wants a new reel motor > installed on their DD (hopefully, with gear idler) deck, for the price > of shipping it back and forth. > > I'll keep yo'll posted, > > -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 20 04:25:05 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:25:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <985FD377-0E48-476C-B81A-B9C69B39DAA3@kvglabs.com> References: <15652127.1229716700679.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net><494C20B4.8020602@verizon.net> <985FD377-0E48-476C-B81A-B9C69B39DAA3@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <122020080325.8169.494C65900004252700001FE922230706129B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Kermit, good point! I have silently observed neo-purist Stereophile/Absolute Sound editors spread increasingly snooty opinions regarding so called "high end" and then disregard vintage gear, ridiculing Hirsch Houk labs as supporters of mass market "mid fi". I suspect that subsequent generations are not being fooled (if what recent final bids I have observed on eBay for vintage rig is a real trend). I chuckle to myself in delicious gratification when I observe fat cats that are easily swayed and whose egos are pandered into laying down serious coin for speakers that sound IMHO no better. I recently read where only speakers built with super X-Y resin or billet aluminum material were the real deal and those made of compressed particle board or MDF where fit for the land fill. HA! I loved reading Hi Fidelity, Stereo Review and Audio mags of yore primarily because the equipment was a great value and could co-exist next to boutique brands. -------------- Original message from Kermit Gray : -------------- > hi Ron, > > On Dec 19, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Ron wrote: > > > > > Yea, I got the sarcasm... Some older op-amp designs do respond > > well to pulling down the output, but not all.. In this day and age, > > when audio op-amps having < 0.001% THD are plentiful and cheap, > > why fiddle with vintage op-amps? > > > For the same reason we "fiddle" with "vintage" technologies like LPs, > and cassette decks. Some listeners prefer the sound that can be > created by the older types of opamps. > > > BTW, Michael Fremer (Analog Corner column, last Stereophile > > issue) actually stated that 'there is nothing wrong with op-amps. > > The guy is getting soft on crime. Next thing you know, he'll prefer > > SS to tubes :-). > > Michael Fremer is in the business of selling magazine issues, so the > controversy sparked among readership by a changing position on SS v. > tubes creates increased attention, translating into increased sales. > Some magazines, unfortunately, pander to various "a versus b" > arguments (tubes vs solid state, analog versus digital, multitrack > versus minimalist/purist, &c.), instead of balancing -- or > neutralizing -- them with the cold reality that we all have different > listening tastes, just we all have different culinary tastes and > sartorial styles; and that no one technology or approach, ultimately, > is a universal "best." > > Frankly, I blame the popular hifi press for the rise of these > worthless (and rancorous) dialectics, and I have little respect for > the controversy-mongers among the columnists and editorial staffs of > magazines such as Stereophile. They do their readers a disservice by > allowing, no, more to the point -- by encouraging the audio community > to fracture into factions, then pitting those factions against each > other by prodding them with editorial positions taken in their columns > that are inherently flawed and imbalanced, apparently intended to > inflame one point of view or the other. At one time, you never saw the > silly a -vs-b arguments -- at least not until the popular hifi press > discovered they could boost readership by the attention gained from > such controversy. A pox on them all, as Shakespeare oft said. > > Which is why you won't find Stereophile or many other hifi magazines > cluttering my shelves. I miss the truly educational and editorially- > balanced magazines of old, like Stereo Review, Audio and HiFi. > Remember all those excellent columns by Julian Hirsch in Stereo Review? > > I've though of launching a properly-balanced, informative, bias-free > audio magazine (even a web-only one), but just do not have time to do > so. > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrm12000 at cableone.net Sat Dec 20 16:22:56 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:22:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes for sale Message-ID: <49267.1229786576@cableone.net> Hi Everyone, Earlier I gave away almost 200 Cr02 tapes. Now I have a bunch of Cr02 and metal tapes to sell. The lots and prices are listed below. If you are interested in any of the lots, write me privately. I'm willing to sell all for $325 plus shipping if someone wants everything. #1 - 9 Sony Metal Master 90 and one TDK MA60 metal cassettes. All are SEALED. $225 plus shipping. #2 - 42 USED Denon, Sony, Fuji, Maxell, and TDK 90-minute Cr02 cassettes, more than 20 are high grade (TDK SA-X, Maxell XL II-S, Sony UCX) I'm willing to erase these for the buyer. $50 plus shipping. #3 - 47 assorted Cr02 SEALED cassettes. 25 Maxell XLII 90 4 Maxell XLII-S 100 3 TDK SA100 6 Fuji DR-II 90 8 TDK SA-X 90 1 TDK SA-X 100 $75 plus shipping. ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 17:18:34 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:18:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <735121.91634.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bias osc should be having more than 100 Khz - wrong freq and voltage ( actually you have to measure the current for bias to work correctly) must be higher for - i generally measure around 23 V using VTVM with a very good HF response - atleast should have 200 Khz response without getting proper bias current your azimuth will not work kannan --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Luis Peromarta wrote: > From: Luis Peromarta > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS > To: "Luis Peromarta" > Cc: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 5:02 AM > Hi Bala, and all, > > To simpify things: > > Load a tape, start recording, and NO BIAS. So I cna't > record even a 400Hz test signal. I have tested the erase > head while going into rec mode, and has aprox 8V, 52Khz > which seems fine. > > I can however, connect the test unit, command the deck to > start BIAS, and then record. Recording of 400 Hz is then > fine (uncalibrated, however). > > What is preventing the BIAS osc. from starting? > > > Thanks, best rgds, LP. > > > El 19/12/2008, a las 11:41, Luis Peromarta escribió: > > > Bala, i don't mean the able sequence. I mean no > bias whatsoever, so when recording the 400hz tone, only a > very low very distorted signal is recorded, so no phase > comparison can be done, so autoazimuth does not finish > > > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > > > El 19/12/2008, a las 10:13, Bala Ganesh Chandra > escribió: > > > >> Hi LP, > >> > >> The azimuth should work irregardless of bias and > level setting, if that's what your email below meant. > First, get the azimuth correction circuit working by > ensuring that the 400Hz signal is being fed to the record > head connector (Computer Board B) and that the azimuth > control section on the Logic PCB receives both channels of > signals back from the tape. I assume at this point that > playback is working fine. Withouth the azimuth working and > being completed, it will not allow the computer to run > it's sequence. > >> > >> Rgds, > >> BG > >> > >> Luis Peromarta wrote: > >> Hi Bala, thanks, yes 400hz world just fine. > Azimuth not working because signal recorded on tape with no > boas os very los and distorted. > >> > >> Enviado desde mi iPhone > >> > >> El 19/12/2008, a las 5:36, Bala Ganesh Chandra > escribió: > >> > >>> HI LP, > >>> > >>> Have you got the Azimuth Adjustment working > yet? Once that is done, is the deck putting out 400Hz when > turned on from the front panel? > >>> > >>> Rgds, > >>> BG > >>> > >>> Luis Peromarta > wrote: > >>> Dear all, > >>> > >>> while I continue to work on the deck, I come > to this new problem. > >>> > >>> The deck refuses to start BIAS while > recording, thus rendering all > >>> recorded signals heavily distorted. > >>> > >>> The osc. is good, because I have managed to > start it and adjust it > >>> with the help of the auxiliary test unit. > >>> > >>> This certainly seems like a logic problem, > anyone has faced this > >>> problem before? > >>> > >>> Thanks a lot in advance, and best rds, LP. > >>> > >>> > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat Dec 20 17:55:15 2008 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann Services) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:55:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200812201655.mBKGtQSv025289@zxe.naks.com> On the 1000ZXL if there is no preset memory being addressed the bias oscillator is not given a level command hence no bias. The machine must go through an entire setup cycle and have at least one memory set to record at all. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 2:03 AM To: Luis Peromarta Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS Hi Bala, and all, To simpify things: Load a tape, start recording, and NO BIAS. So I cna't record even a 400Hz test signal. I have tested the erase head while going into rec mode, and has aprox 8V, 52Khz which seems fine. I can however, connect the test unit, command the deck to start BIAS, and then record. Recording of 400 Hz is then fine (uncalibrated, however). What is preventing the BIAS osc. from starting? Thanks, best rgds, LP. El 19/12/2008, a las 11:41, Luis Peromarta escribió: > Bala, i don't mean the able sequence. I mean no bias whatsoever, so > when recording the 400hz tone, only a very low very distorted > signal is recorded, so no phase comparison can be done, so > autoazimuth does not finish > > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > El 19/12/2008, a las 10:13, Bala Ganesh Chandra > escribió: > >> Hi LP, >> >> The azimuth should work irregardless of bias and level setting, if >> that's what your email below meant. First, get the azimuth >> correction circuit working by ensuring that the 400Hz signal is >> being fed to the record head connector (Computer Board B) and that >> the azimuth control section on the Logic PCB receives both channels >> of signals back from the tape. I assume at this point that playback >> is working fine. Withouth the azimuth working and being completed, >> it will not allow the computer to run it's sequence. >> >> Rgds, >> BG >> >> Luis Peromarta wrote: >> Hi Bala, thanks, yes 400hz world just fine. Azimuth not working >> because signal recorded on tape with no boas os very los and >> distorted. >> >> Enviado desde mi iPhone >> >> El 19/12/2008, a las 5:36, Bala Ganesh Chandra >> escribió: >> >>> HI LP, >>> >>> Have you got the Azimuth Adjustment working yet? Once that is >>> done, is the deck putting out 400Hz when turned on from the front >>> panel? >>> >>> Rgds, >>> BG >>> >>> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> while I continue to work on the deck, I come to this new problem. >>> >>> The deck refuses to start BIAS while recording, thus rendering all >>> recorded signals heavily distorted. >>> >>> The osc. is good, because I have managed to start it and adjust it >>> with the help of the auxiliary test unit. >>> >>> This certainly seems like a logic problem, anyone has faced this >>> problem before? >>> >>> Thanks a lot in advance, and best rds, LP. >>> >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rajivdallas at gmail.com Sat Dec 20 21:26:42 2008 From: rajivdallas at gmail.com (Rajiv Pandey) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:26:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth adjustment on the 580 - Question Message-ID: Hello all, I am a newbie to this list but been a Nak user for decades...I have a azimuth adjustment question... I recently came in possession of a 580 in pristine condition (already own a DR2 for a long time), this deck allows you to manually adjust everything - the azimuth, head height etc... Now the question I have is - what size screwdriver or device do I insert into that tiny hole to adjust the azimuth? To make myself clear - the 580 has three tiny holes in the face plate of the cassette holder (the one that you put the cassette in and close)...one is for azimuth adjustment. Now, the issue I am facing is that the hole is very tiny and I am not sure what is expected at the other end - is it a flat head screwdriver type end so it fits into a groove or is it some other shape that is expected...Also, what is the correct size instrument to insert into this tiny hole. I am asking all this because I do not want to insert the wrong thing and force it where it breaks the adjustment mechanism...better to know what I should be using and how. Infinite thanks in advance for any advice or help. Thanks Rajiv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Sun Dec 21 11:13:35 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:13:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS In-Reply-To: <200812201655.mBKGtQSv025289@zxe.naks.com> References: <200812201655.mBKGtQSv025289@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Willy, this certainly makes sense. I am trying to calibrate the deck, but does not complete the azimuth adj. I hear the motor moving up and down, but it does not complete the program, neither by using the Run or Az. Adj. buttons. I suspect the head is not moving, despite is does move when amnually moving the az. wire. If I watch the recorder tape, I certainly see the 400 Hz tone recorded, but see little phase difference. I think this confirms the head is not moving. I have been able to go trough most of the electrical adjustment of the S/M, except for item 13, where I am unable to get the proper binary words on the LED display. or adjusting the VR701. Any hints there welcome. Best rgds, Lp. El 20/12/2008, a las 17:55, Willy Hermann Services escribió: > On the 1000ZXL if there is no preset memory being addressed the bias > oscillator is not given a level command hence no bias. The machine > must go > through an entire setup cycle and have at least one memory set to > record at > all. > > Willy > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Luis Peromarta > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 2:03 AM > To: Luis Peromarta > Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS > > Hi Bala, and all, > > To simpify things: > > Load a tape, start recording, and NO BIAS. So I cna't record even a > 400Hz test signal. I have tested the erase head while going into rec > mode, and has aprox 8V, 52Khz which seems fine. > > I can however, connect the test unit, command the deck to start BIAS, > and then record. Recording of 400 Hz is then fine (uncalibrated, > however). > > What is preventing the BIAS osc. from starting? > > > Thanks, best rgds, LP. > > > El 19/12/2008, a las 11:41, Luis Peromarta escribió: > >> Bala, i don't mean the able sequence. I mean no bias whatsoever, so >> when recording the 400hz tone, only a very low very distorted >> signal is recorded, so no phase comparison can be done, so >> autoazimuth does not finish >> >> Enviado desde mi iPhone >> >> El 19/12/2008, a las 10:13, Bala Ganesh Chandra >> escribió: >> >>> Hi LP, >>> >>> The azimuth should work irregardless of bias and level setting, if >>> that's what your email below meant. First, get the azimuth >>> correction circuit working by ensuring that the 400Hz signal is >>> being fed to the record head connector (Computer Board B) and that >>> the azimuth control section on the Logic PCB receives both channels >>> of signals back from the tape. I assume at this point that playback >>> is working fine. Withouth the azimuth working and being completed, >>> it will not allow the computer to run it's sequence. >>> >>> Rgds, >>> BG >>> >>> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> Hi Bala, thanks, yes 400hz world just fine. Azimuth not working >>> because signal recorded on tape with no boas os very los and >>> distorted. >>> >>> Enviado desde mi iPhone >>> >>> El 19/12/2008, a las 5:36, Bala Ganesh Chandra >>> escribió: >>> >>>> HI LP, >>>> >>>> Have you got the Azimuth Adjustment working yet? Once that is >>>> done, is the deck putting out 400Hz when turned on from the front >>>> panel? >>>> >>>> Rgds, >>>> BG >>>> >>>> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> while I continue to work on the deck, I come to this new problem. >>>> >>>> The deck refuses to start BIAS while recording, thus rendering all >>>> recorded signals heavily distorted. >>>> >>>> The osc. is good, because I have managed to start it and adjust it >>>> with the help of the auxiliary test unit. >>>> >>>> This certainly seems like a logic problem, anyone has faced this >>>> problem before? >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot in advance, and best rds, LP. >>>> >>>> >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From luis at peromarta.org Sun Dec 21 17:38:06 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:38:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS In-Reply-To: <200812201655.mBKGtQSv025289@zxe.naks.com> References: <200812201655.mBKGtQSv025289@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Willy, I got BIAS! You were right on the spot! The azmuth took very long to complete, but it the went into BIAS, LEVEL and EQ. There is a hi. frq. distorsion on the right channel, so the ABLE is getting confused, so the adj. takes a long time to complete. Once completed, I get very nice, near flat 20-20k response. However, I am getting this distorsion in the R. channel, I need to work out. Will keep ypu posted. By the way, I am planning a white led kit upgrade for the front pannel lights. Anyone has done this before? Best rgds, LP. El 20/12/2008, a las 17:55, Willy Hermann Services escribió: > On the 1000ZXL if there is no preset memory being addressed the bias > oscillator is not given a level command hence no bias. The machine > must go > through an entire setup cycle and have at least one memory set to > record at > all. > > Willy > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Luis Peromarta > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 2:03 AM > To: Luis Peromarta > Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS > > Hi Bala, and all, > > To simpify things: > > Load a tape, start recording, and NO BIAS. So I cna't record even a > 400Hz test signal. I have tested the erase head while going into rec > mode, and has aprox 8V, 52Khz which seems fine. > > I can however, connect the test unit, command the deck to start BIAS, > and then record. Recording of 400 Hz is then fine (uncalibrated, > however). > > What is preventing the BIAS osc. from starting? > > > Thanks, best rgds, LP. > > > El 19/12/2008, a las 11:41, Luis Peromarta escribió: > >> Bala, i don't mean the able sequence. I mean no bias whatsoever, so >> when recording the 400hz tone, only a very low very distorted >> signal is recorded, so no phase comparison can be done, so >> autoazimuth does not finish >> >> Enviado desde mi iPhone >> >> El 19/12/2008, a las 10:13, Bala Ganesh Chandra >> escribió: >> >>> Hi LP, >>> >>> The azimuth should work irregardless of bias and level setting, if >>> that's what your email below meant. First, get the azimuth >>> correction circuit working by ensuring that the 400Hz signal is >>> being fed to the record head connector (Computer Board B) and that >>> the azimuth control section on the Logic PCB receives both channels >>> of signals back from the tape. I assume at this point that playback >>> is working fine. Withouth the azimuth working and being completed, >>> it will not allow the computer to run it's sequence. >>> >>> Rgds, >>> BG >>> >>> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> Hi Bala, thanks, yes 400hz world just fine. Azimuth not working >>> because signal recorded on tape with no boas os very los and >>> distorted. >>> >>> Enviado desde mi iPhone >>> >>> El 19/12/2008, a las 5:36, Bala Ganesh Chandra >>> escribió: >>> >>>> HI LP, >>>> >>>> Have you got the Azimuth Adjustment working yet? Once that is >>>> done, is the deck putting out 400Hz when turned on from the front >>>> panel? >>>> >>>> Rgds, >>>> BG >>>> >>>> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> while I continue to work on the deck, I come to this new problem. >>>> >>>> The deck refuses to start BIAS while recording, thus rendering all >>>> recorded signals heavily distorted. >>>> >>>> The osc. is good, because I have managed to start it and adjust it >>>> with the help of the auxiliary test unit. >>>> >>>> This certainly seems like a logic problem, anyone has faced this >>>> problem before? >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot in advance, and best rds, LP. >>>> >>>> >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From luis at peromarta.org Mon Dec 22 07:53:11 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:53:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS In-Reply-To: <735121.91634.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <735121.91634.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Kannan, thanks for th input, however, 52.5KHz is right on sopot fot the erase head on the 1000ZXL. For the BIAS is 105KHz. rgds, LP. El 20/12/2008, a las 17:18, kannan srinivasaraghavan escribió: > Bias osc should be having more than 100 Khz - wrong freq and voltage > ( actually you have to measure the current for bias to work > correctly) must be higher for - i generally measure around 23 V > using VTVM with a very good HF response - atleast should have 200 > Khz response > without getting proper bias current your azimuth will not work > kannan > > > > --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Luis Peromarta wrote: > >> From: Luis Peromarta >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS >> To: "Luis Peromarta" >> Cc: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 5:02 AM >> Hi Bala, and all, >> >> To simpify things: >> >> Load a tape, start recording, and NO BIAS. So I cna't >> record even a 400Hz test signal. I have tested the erase >> head while going into rec mode, and has aprox 8V, 52Khz >> which seems fine. >> >> I can however, connect the test unit, command the deck to >> start BIAS, and then record. Recording of 400 Hz is then >> fine (uncalibrated, however). >> >> What is preventing the BIAS osc. from starting? >> >> >> Thanks, best rgds, LP. >> >> >> El 19/12/2008, a las 11:41, Luis Peromarta escribió: >> >>> Bala, i don't mean the able sequence. I mean no >> bias whatsoever, so when recording the 400hz tone, only a >> very low very distorted signal is recorded, so no phase >> comparison can be done, so autoazimuth does not finish >>> >>> Enviado desde mi iPhone >>> >>> El 19/12/2008, a las 10:13, Bala Ganesh Chandra >> escribió: >>> >>>> Hi LP, >>>> >>>> The azimuth should work irregardless of bias and >> level setting, if that's what your email below meant. >> First, get the azimuth correction circuit working by >> ensuring that the 400Hz signal is being fed to the record >> head connector (Computer Board B) and that the azimuth >> control section on the Logic PCB receives both channels of >> signals back from the tape. I assume at this point that >> playback is working fine. Withouth the azimuth working and >> being completed, it will not allow the computer to run >> it's sequence. >>>> >>>> Rgds, >>>> BG >>>> >>>> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>> Hi Bala, thanks, yes 400hz world just fine. >> Azimuth not working because signal recorded on tape with no >> boas os very los and distorted. >>>> >>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone >>>> >>>> El 19/12/2008, a las 5:36, Bala Ganesh Chandra >> escribió: >>>> >>>>> HI LP, >>>>> >>>>> Have you got the Azimuth Adjustment working >> yet? Once that is done, is the deck putting out 400Hz when >> turned on from the front panel? >>>>> >>>>> Rgds, >>>>> BG >>>>> >>>>> Luis Peromarta >> wrote: >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> while I continue to work on the deck, I come >> to this new problem. >>>>> >>>>> The deck refuses to start BIAS while >> recording, thus rendering all >>>>> recorded signals heavily distorted. >>>>> >>>>> The osc. is good, because I have managed to >> start it and adjust it >>>>> with the help of the auxiliary test unit. >>>>> >>>>> This certainly seems like a logic problem, >> anyone has faced this >>>>> problem before? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot in advance, and best rds, LP. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >>>>> >>>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >>>> >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 23:50:03 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:50:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth adjustment on the 580 - Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <155560.91728.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rajiv, Please do not do that azimuth adjustment without proper calibration tapes, a T100 or similar measuring meter, and your 580s service manual  in your hand. Indiscriminately using a screw will screw up your azimuth rather than helping you. Better yet, send it to a qualified technician if you feel that an adjustment is in order. Good luck. Ram --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Rajiv Pandey wrote: From: Rajiv Pandey Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth adjustment on the 580 - Question To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 3:26 PM Hello all, I am a newbie to this list but been a Nak user for decades...I have a azimuth adjustment question... I recently came in possession of a 580 in pristine condition (already own a DR2 for a long time), this deck allows you to manually adjust everything - the azimuth, head height etc... Now the question I have is - what size screwdriver or device do I insert into that tiny hole to adjust the azimuth? To make myself clear - the 580 has three tiny holes in the face plate of the cassette holder (the one that you put the cassette in and close)...one is for azimuth adjustment. Now, the issue I am facing is that the hole is very tiny and I am not sure what is expected at the other end - is it a flat head screwdriver type end so it fits into a groove or is it some other shape that is expected...Also, what is the correct size instrument to insert into this tiny hole. I am asking all this because I do not want to insert the wrong thing and force it where it breaks the adjustment mechanism...better to know what I should be using and how. Infinite thanks in advance for any advice or help. Thanks Rajiv ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From raltshuler at gmail.com Sun Dec 21 03:52:15 2008 From: raltshuler at gmail.com (Robert Altshuler) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:52:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] troubleshooting a weak signal on left channel of bx-100 Message-ID: <494DAF5F.2070305@gmail.com> Hi all, I'm trying to revive a BX-100 that had been sitting unused in my parents entertainment center for at least the past 5 years. The right channel sounds good, but the left channel is inaudible at a normal volume level, and becomes only barely audible with the volume cranked up. The level LEDs for the right channel light up as expected, but for the left channel only the bottom light is on. I'm certain the cables and the rest of the components are good, and the fact that the left channel signal LEDs aren't lighting up makes me think the problem really is internal to the deck. I've tried cleaning the record/playback head with contact cleaner, but that had no effect. I have a multimeter and could get access to an oscilloscope if necessary. Any suggestions on how to track this down? Is there a particular transistor somewhere on the circuit board that could have gone bad? Any help would be appreciated, -Bob P.S. I couldn't find any way to search the list archives - I did scan through the thread titles for the past year, but I didn't spot anything relevant. From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sun Dec 21 18:54:05 2008 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann Services) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:54:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200812211754.mBLHsJY1023035@zxe.naks.com> Congrats! I have found that the bias problem is often caused by mechanics, not electronics. The azimuth adjuster must be able to move smoothly with less than 3 volts applied. Unplug the azimuth motor and run it with two batteries to see if it runs smoothly. If the belt is too fat or too tight or if the lubricant on the worm gear has hardened a bit the motor needs too much voltage to move and the auto azimuth circuit never centers. It will occasionally stop in the right spot and move on to ABLE but usually continues to overshoot. Read my article in the technical articles section of Nak Talk Wiki for full description. Good luck with your distortion problem and please let us know how your white led project works. Many of us would like to plagiarize that one! Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:38 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS Willy, I got BIAS! You were right on the spot! The azmuth took very long to complete, but it the went into BIAS, LEVEL and EQ. There is a hi. frq. distorsion on the right channel, so the ABLE is getting confused, so the adj. takes a long time to complete. Once completed, I get very nice, near flat 20-20k response. However, I am getting this distorsion in the R. channel, I need to work out. Will keep ypu posted. By the way, I am planning a white led kit upgrade for the front pannel lights. Anyone has done this before? Best rgds, LP. El 20/12/2008, a las 17:55, Willy Hermann Services escribió: > On the 1000ZXL if there is no preset memory being addressed the bias > oscillator is not given a level command hence no bias. The machine > must go > through an entire setup cycle and have at least one memory set to > record at > all. > > Willy > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Luis Peromarta > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 2:03 AM > To: Luis Peromarta > Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS > > Hi Bala, and all, > > To simpify things: > > Load a tape, start recording, and NO BIAS. So I cna't record even a > 400Hz test signal. I have tested the erase head while going into rec > mode, and has aprox 8V, 52Khz which seems fine. > > I can however, connect the test unit, command the deck to start BIAS, > and then record. Recording of 400 Hz is then fine (uncalibrated, > however). > > What is preventing the BIAS osc. from starting? > > > Thanks, best rgds, LP. > > > El 19/12/2008, a las 11:41, Luis Peromarta escribió: > >> Bala, i don't mean the able sequence. I mean no bias whatsoever, so >> when recording the 400hz tone, only a very low very distorted >> signal is recorded, so no phase comparison can be done, so >> autoazimuth does not finish >> >> Enviado desde mi iPhone >> >> El 19/12/2008, a las 10:13, Bala Ganesh Chandra >> escribió: >> >>> Hi LP, >>> >>> The azimuth should work irregardless of bias and level setting, if >>> that's what your email below meant. First, get the azimuth >>> correction circuit working by ensuring that the 400Hz signal is >>> being fed to the record head connector (Computer Board B) and that >>> the azimuth control section on the Logic PCB receives both channels >>> of signals back from the tape. I assume at this point that playback >>> is working fine. Withouth the azimuth working and being completed, >>> it will not allow the computer to run it's sequence. >>> >>> Rgds, >>> BG >>> >>> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> Hi Bala, thanks, yes 400hz world just fine. Azimuth not working >>> because signal recorded on tape with no boas os very los and >>> distorted. >>> >>> Enviado desde mi iPhone >>> >>> El 19/12/2008, a las 5:36, Bala Ganesh Chandra >>> escribió: >>> >>>> HI LP, >>>> >>>> Have you got the Azimuth Adjustment working yet? Once that is >>>> done, is the deck putting out 400Hz when turned on from the front >>>> panel? >>>> >>>> Rgds, >>>> BG >>>> >>>> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> while I continue to work on the deck, I come to this new problem. >>>> >>>> The deck refuses to start BIAS while recording, thus rendering all >>>> recorded signals heavily distorted. >>>> >>>> The osc. is good, because I have managed to start it and adjust it >>>> with the help of the auxiliary test unit. >>>> >>>> This certainly seems like a logic problem, anyone has faced this >>>> problem before? >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot in advance, and best rds, LP. >>>> >>>> >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at verizon.net Sun Dec 21 20:39:08 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:39:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the 700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <985FD377-0E48-476C-B81A-B9C69B39DAA3@kvglabs.com> References: <15652127.1229716700679.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <494C20B4.8020602@verizon.net> <985FD377-0E48-476C-B81A-B9C69B39DAA3@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <494E9B5C.6020107@verizon.net> Kermit Gray wrote: > hi Ron, > > On Dec 19, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Ron wrote: > >> >> Yea, I got the sarcasm... Some older op-amp designs do respond >> well to pulling down the output, but not all.. In this day and age, >> when audio op-amps having < 0.001% THD are plentiful and cheap, >> why fiddle with vintage op-amps? > > For the same reason we "fiddle" with "vintage" technologies like LPs, > and cassette decks. Some listeners prefer the sound that can be > created by the older types of opamps. Naw, it's not the same. It's more like using selenium rectifiers or carbon resistors. These old op-amps are simply not up to snuff.. Yes, some listeners may prefer 'the sound that can be created by the older types of opamps' -- that is, loaded with odd harmonics distortion (as evidenced by the popularity of SE amps in some quarters). If you cater to that crowd, just insert a diode in the signal path here and there :-). -- Ron > >> BTW, Michael Fremer (Analog Corner column, last Stereophile >> issue) actually stated that 'there is nothing wrong with op-amps. >> The guy is getting soft on crime. Next thing you know, he'll prefer >> SS to tubes :-). > > Michael Fremer is in the business of selling magazine issues, so the > controversy sparked among readership by a changing position on SS v. > tubes creates increased attention, translating into increased sales. > Some magazines, unfortunately, pander to various "a versus b" > arguments (tubes vs solid state, analog versus digital, multitrack > versus minimalist/purist, &c.), instead of balancing -- or > neutralizing -- them with the cold reality that we all have different > listening tastes, just we all have different culinary tastes and > sartorial styles; and that no one technology or approach, ultimately, > is a universal "best." > > Frankly, I blame the popular hifi press for the rise of these > worthless (and rancorous) dialectics, and I have little respect for > the controversy-mongers among the columnists and editorial staffs of > magazines such as Stereophile. They do their readers a disservice by > allowing, no, more to the point -- by encouraging the audio community > to fracture into factions, then pitting those factions against each > other by prodding them with editorial positions taken in their columns > that are inherently flawed and imbalanced, apparently intended to > inflame one point of view or the other. At one time, you never saw the > silly a -vs-b arguments -- at least not until the popular hifi press > discovered they could boost readership by the attention gained from > such controversy. A pox on them all, as Shakespeare oft said. > > Which is why you won't find Stereophile or many other hifi magazines > cluttering my shelves. I miss the truly educational and > editorially-balanced magazines of old, like Stereo Review, Audio and > HiFi. Remember all those excellent columns by Julian Hirsch in Stereo > Review? > > I've though of launching a properly-balanced, informative, bias-free > audio magazine (even a web-only one), but just do not have time to do so. > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy From Julian.Bunn at caltech.edu Sun Dec 21 21:17:10 2008 From: Julian.Bunn at caltech.edu (Julian Bunn) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:17:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 cover? Message-ID: <494EA446.7030506@caltech.edu> The RX-202 I won on Ebay for $23 arrived on Friday: very nice condition, and fully functioning. It was interesting to see the difference between the Sankyo transport in it, and compare with the transport in the RX-505 (an altogether more complex-looking affair). The RX-202 is missing its clear plastic cassette cover. It looks like these commonly go missing, and it's probably why the deck was so cheap. Which is a bit silly if so, because the operation and performance is not affected by a missing cover ... right? How do people lose these covers, I wonder? It's not like the cover needs to be removed in normal use. Anyway: does anyone know of a source for the RX-202 covers, or does anyone have one off a parts deck they would like to sell? Thanks! Julian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Many of us would like to plagiarize that one! > > Willy > From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 22 13:58:40 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:58:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] troubleshooting a weak signal on left channel of bx-100 In-Reply-To: <494DAF5F.2070305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <263762.71035.qm@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The first thing to do is trace the head wires from the playback head to the board. Then, put the deck in play and inject some "body hum" into the input on each channel using a thin screwdriver while touching the metal shaft, or using your meter probe. If you get output on both channels, then the playback circuitry is ok, and you may have a broken wire at the head, or a bad head. If you still have one channel out, you'll need a schematic to troubleshoot. With schematic in hand and a scope, put a known good tape in the deck and check the output of the Dolby IC for both channels. If you have signal, continue checking towards the output. If not, check the input of the Dolby IC. If you have no signal on one channel there, I'd suspect either a bad coupling cap or a bad head amp. Warren Bendler --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Robert Altshuler wrote: From: Robert Altshuler Subject: [naktalk] troubleshooting a weak signal on left channel of bx-100 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 9:52 PM Hi all, I'm trying to revive a BX-100 that had been sitting unused in my parents entertainment center for at least the past 5 years. The right channel sounds good, but the left channel is inaudible at a normal volume level, and becomes only barely audible with the volume cranked up. The level LEDs for the right channel light up as expected, but for the left channel only the bottom light is on. I'm certain the cables and the rest of the components are good, and the fact that the left channel signal LEDs aren't lighting up makes me think the problem really is internal to the deck. I've tried cleaning the record/playback head with contact cleaner, but that had no effect. I have a multimeter and could get access to an oscilloscope if necessary. Any suggestions on how to track this down? Is there a particular transistor somewhere on the circuit board that could have gone bad? Any help would be appreciated, -Bob P.S. I couldn't find any way to search the list archives - I did scan through the thread titles for the past year, but I didn't spot anything relevant. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 17:45:34 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:45:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS- similar Dragon NAAC issue In-Reply-To: <200812211754.mBLHsJY1023035@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <933460.9075.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Willy update this with the following Dragon has similar NAAC tracking issue associated with Azimuth Motor drive being sluggish or getting stuck due to frozen grease. Clean the gear grooves on the shaft to make NAAC work correctly Kannan --- On Sun, 12/21/08, Willy Hermann Services wrote: > From: Willy Hermann Services > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 12:54 PM > Congrats! I have found that the bias problem is often > caused by mechanics, > not electronics. The azimuth adjuster must be able to move > smoothly with > less than 3 volts applied. Unplug the azimuth motor and > run it with two > batteries to see if it runs smoothly. If the belt is too > fat or too tight > or if the lubricant on the worm gear has hardened a bit the > motor needs too > much voltage to move and the auto azimuth circuit never > centers. It will > occasionally stop in the right spot and move on to ABLE but > usually > continues to overshoot. Read my article in the technical > articles section > of Nak Talk Wiki for full description. > > Good luck with your distortion problem and please let us > know how your white > led project works. Many of us would like to plagiarize > that one! > > Willy > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Luis Peromarta > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:38 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS > > Willy, > > I got BIAS! > > You were right on the spot! > > The azmuth took very long to complete, but it the went into > BIAS, > LEVEL and EQ. > > There is a hi. frq. distorsion on the right channel, so the > ABLE is > getting confused, so the adj. takes a long time to > complete. Once > completed, I get very nice, near flat 20-20k response. > > However, I am getting this distorsion in the R. channel, I > need to > work out. Will keep ypu posted. > > By the way, I am planning a white led kit upgrade for the > front pannel > lights. Anyone has done this before? > > Best rgds, LP. > > El 20/12/2008, a las 17:55, Willy Hermann Services > escribió: > > > On the 1000ZXL if there is no preset memory being > addressed the bias > > oscillator is not given a level command hence no bias. > The machine > > must go > > through an entire setup cycle and have at least one > memory set to > > record at > > all. > > > > Willy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > Behalf > > Of Luis Peromarta > > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 2:03 AM > > To: Luis Peromarta > > Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS > > > > Hi Bala, and all, > > > > To simpify things: > > > > Load a tape, start recording, and NO BIAS. So I > cna't record even a > > 400Hz test signal. I have tested the erase head while > going into rec > > mode, and has aprox 8V, 52Khz which seems fine. > > > > I can however, connect the test unit, command the deck > to start BIAS, > > and then record. Recording of 400 Hz is then fine > (uncalibrated, > > however). > > > > What is preventing the BIAS osc. from starting? > > > > > > Thanks, best rgds, LP. > > > > > > El 19/12/2008, a las 11:41, Luis Peromarta escribió: > > > >> Bala, i don't mean the able sequence. I mean > no bias whatsoever, so > >> when recording the 400hz tone, only a very low > very distorted > >> signal is recorded, so no phase comparison can be > done, so > >> autoazimuth does not finish > >> > >> Enviado desde mi iPhone > >> > >> El 19/12/2008, a las 10:13, Bala Ganesh Chandra > > >> escribió: > >> > >>> Hi LP, > >>> > >>> The azimuth should work irregardless of bias > and level setting, if > >>> that's what your email below meant. First, > get the azimuth > >>> correction circuit working by ensuring that > the 400Hz signal is > >>> being fed to the record head connector > (Computer Board B) and that > >>> the azimuth control section on the Logic PCB > receives both channels > >>> of signals back from the tape. I assume at > this point that playback > >>> is working fine. Withouth the azimuth working > and being completed, > >>> it will not allow the computer to run it's > sequence. > >>> > >>> Rgds, > >>> BG > >>> > >>> Luis Peromarta > wrote: > >>> Hi Bala, thanks, yes 400hz world just fine. > Azimuth not working > >>> because signal recorded on tape with no boas > os very los and > >>> distorted. > >>> > >>> Enviado desde mi iPhone > >>> > >>> El 19/12/2008, a las 5:36, Bala Ganesh Chandra > > >>> escribió: > >>> > >>>> HI LP, > >>>> > >>>> Have you got the Azimuth Adjustment > working yet? Once that is > >>>> done, is the deck putting out 400Hz when > turned on from the front > >>>> panel? > >>>> > >>>> Rgds, > >>>> BG > >>>> > >>>> Luis Peromarta > wrote: > >>>> Dear all, > >>>> > >>>> while I continue to work on the deck, I > come to this new problem. > >>>> > >>>> The deck refuses to start BIAS while > recording, thus rendering all > >>>> recorded signals heavily distorted. > >>>> > >>>> The osc. is good, because I have managed > to start it and adjust it > >>>> with the help of the auxiliary test unit. > >>>> > >>>> This certainly seems like a logic problem, > anyone has faced this > >>>> problem before? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks a lot in advance, and best rds, LP. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> ========= > >>>> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> ========= > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> ========= > >>>> > >>>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> ========= > >>>> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> ========= > >>>> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >>>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> ========= > >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> > >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > > > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fripp_em at yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 21:50:24 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:50:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 cover? In-Reply-To: <494EA446.7030506@caltech.edu> Message-ID: <905432.37855.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I got an RX-202 and the window wouldn't stay on. Willy "heated and aligned bay window holder to properly grip bay window." The window is unique to the RX-202, so you probably need to find a parts deck. David From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 07:03:59 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:03:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <122020080325.8169.494C65900004252700001FE922230706129B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <655509.75759.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Makes you feel better then the rich guy who plunks for it and then brags doesn't it! ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: Kermit, good point! I have silently observed neo-purist Stereophile/Absolute Sound editors spread increasingly snooty opinions regarding so called "high end" and then disregard vintage gear, ridiculing Hirsch Houk labs as supporters of mass market "mid fi". I suspect that subsequent generations are not being fooled (if what recent final bids I have observed on eBay for vintage rig is a real trend). I chuckle to myself in delicious gratification when I observe fat cats that are easily swayed and whose egos are pandered into laying down serious coin for speakers that sound IMHO no better. I recently read where only speakers built with super X-Y resin or billet aluminum material were the real deal and those made of compressed particle board or MDF where fit for the land fill. HA! I loved reading Hi Fidelity, Stereo Review and Audio mags of yore primarily because the equipment was a great value and could co-exist next to boutique brands. -------------- Original message from Kermit Gray : -------------- > hi Ron, > > On Dec 19, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Ron wrote: > > > > > Yea, I got the sarcasm... Some older op-amp designs do respond > > well to pulling down the output, but not all.. In this day and age, > > when audio op-amps having < 0.001% THD are plentiful and cheap, > > why fiddle with vintage op-amps? > > > For the same reason we "fiddle" with "vintage" technologies like LPs, > and cassette decks. Some listeners prefer the sound that can be > created by the older types of opamps. > > > BTW, Michael Fremer (Analog Corner column, last Stereophile > > issue) actually stated that 'there is nothing wrong with op-amps. > > The guy is getting soft on crime. Next thing you know, he'll prefer > > SS to tubes :-). > > Michael Fremer is in the business of selling magazine issues, so the > controversy sparked among readership by a changing position on SS v. > tubes creates increased attention, translating into increased sales. > Some magazines, unfortunately, pander to various "a versus b" > arguments (tubes vs solid state, analog versus digital, multitrack > versus minimalist/purist, &c.), instead of balancing -- or > neutralizing -- them with the cold reality that we all have different > listening tastes, just we all have different culinary tastes and > sartorial styles; and that no one technology or approach, ultimately, > is a universal "best." > > Frankly, I blame the popular hifi press for the rise of these > worthless (and rancorous) dialectics, and I have little respect for > the controversy-mongers among the columnists and editorial staffs of > magazines such as Stereophile. They do their readers a disservice by > allowing, no, more to the point -- by encouraging the audio community > to fracture into factions, then pitting those factions against each > other by prodding them with editorial positions taken in their columns > that are inherently flawed and imbalanced, apparently intended to > inflame one point of view or the other. At one time, you never saw the > silly a -vs-b arguments -- at least not until the popular hifi press > discovered they could boost readership by the attention gained from > such controversy. A pox on them all, as Shakespeare oft said. > > Which is why you won't find Stereophile or many other hifi magazines > cluttering my shelves. I miss the truly educational and editorially- > balanced magazines of old, like Stereo Review, Audio and HiFi. > Remember all those excellent columns by Julian Hirsch in Stereo Review? > > I've though of launching a properly-balanced, informative, bias-free > audio magazine (even a web-only one), but just do not have time to do > so. > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rajivdallas at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 17:59:58 2008 From: rajivdallas at gmail.com (Rajiv Pandey) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:59:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth adjustment on the 580 - Question In-Reply-To: <155560.91728.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <155560.91728.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ram, Thanks for the good advice and concern. I do agree its not a wise thing to mess with factory settings unless you know what you are doing. But let me qualify my intentions a bit more - as I said in my note below, I do own a more recent DR-2 and I do not wish to mess with that machine...This 580 I came in possession off is *exactly* for such experimentation and I am fine if I mess up something...I am willing to take that chance and *want* to learn from my mistakes...That is how I learnt most of my technical skills by taking things apart and trying to put them together by following a process. Now here I am not taking anything apart - all I want to do is try to tweak the azimuth and I want to trust my ears to find the best setting for some very rare live concert recordings I did decades back...I want to extract every ounce of goodness from those tapes and archive them in the best digital form I can. With all that said, could I please request you or someone to please advice me on what kind of screwdriver I need to insert in that already provided hole to adjust the azimuth? I have done some reading and I am unclear on whether it needs a JIS screwdriver or a Phillips will do...Also, the hole is very tiny in the assembly (not the hole in the face plate - that is decent size where I can insert a small precision screwdriver), but the hole in the actual assembly (its all white plastic back there) is quite tiny and I am wondering what size screwdriver is adequate. I am willing to take some nice closeup shots for folks to see and advice if anyone is willing to help. Thanks again! Regards Rajiv On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:50 PM, shanti ramachandran < shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: > Rajiv, > > Please do not do that azimuth adjustment without proper calibration tapes, > a T100 or similar measuring meter, and your 580s service manual in your > hand. Indiscriminately using a screw will screw up your azimuth rather than > helping you. > > Better yet, send it to a qualified technician if you feel that an > adjustment is in order. > > Good luck. > > Ram > > --- On *Sat, 12/20/08, Rajiv Pandey * wrote: > > From: Rajiv Pandey > Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth adjustment on the 580 - Question > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 3:26 PM > > > Hello all, > > I am a newbie to this list but been a Nak user for decades...I have a > azimuth adjustment question... > > I recently came in possession of a 580 in pristine condition (already own a > DR2 for a long time), this deck allows you to manually adjust everything - > the azimuth, head height etc... > > Now the question I have is - what size screwdriver or device do I insert > into that tiny hole to adjust the azimuth? > > To make myself clear - the 580 has three tiny holes in the face plate of > the cassette holder (the one that you put the cassette in and close)...one > is for azimuth adjustment. > > Now, the issue I am facing is that the hole is very tiny and I am not sure > what is expected at the other end - is it a flat head screwdriver type end > so it fits into a groove or is it some other shape that is expected...Also, > what is the correct size instrument to insert into this tiny hole. > > I am asking all this because I do not want to insert the wrong thing and > force it where it breaks the adjustment mechanism...better to know what I > should be using and how. > > Infinite thanks in advance for any advice or help. > > Thanks > Rajiv > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I used a led kit form HK, that costed 10$ includin shipping, with 50 white leds and 50 500K resistors. http://stores.ebay.com/HKJE-Led-Lamp-Center I have substituted all front lamps. They work great, and will definetively outlast me. My son and grandchildern will confirm this. However: If you plan to do it, I have the following issues: 1.- The LED is too white: I will now order a new set of "warm white leds", probably more suitable for the job, as now the lights are more blue-ish and less green-ish. This is the link for the "warm white" leds: http://stores.ebay.com/HKJE-Led-Lamp-Center_3mm-Warm-White-LED_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ8796350QQftidZ2QQtZkm 2.- The 500K resistor is too small (= too much light) for the ABLE / RAMM display. Probably about 1K would do, but haven't tried. I am attaching a few pics here, as I plan a new website for the upgrade. Best rgds, LP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is spot on. Judged by my ears W&F are the same as with a prestine original belt. To me it is every bit as good as an original belt. With one exception; this will survive ten years longer, or possibly more !! I had not ordered a single belt from Fred before. Repairing music lovers Nakamichis at the rate of 1 a month at the most, I do not have a strong need. Mostly I rely on using the original belts when usable. Furthermorte I have relied on stripping used 480 and CR1 machines because these abound and are thrown in the junkjard. But if I need a belt for a major Nak I do know Fred's belts are the best to go for. Happy listening Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Dec 24 16:22:49 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:22:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] troubleshooting a weak signal on left channel of bx-100 In-Reply-To: <263762.71035.qm@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <494DAF5F.2070305@gmail.com> <263762.71035.qm@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910812240722h7ea11423tce9b404514ee9b6d@mail.gmail.com> Since it's a two-head model, it could be the rec/play relay maybe. Bob, if you put the deck in record mode, is the left channel VU working while monitoring the line input? Is the deck able to record well if you play it back on another deck? 2008/12/22 Warren Bendler : > The first thing to do is trace the head wires from the playback head to the > board. Then, put the deck in play and inject some "body hum" into the input > on each channel using a thin screwdriver while touching the metal shaft, or > using your meter probe. If you get output on both channels, then the > playback circuitry is ok, and you may have a broken wire at the head, or a > bad head. If you still have one channel out, you'll need a schematic to > troubleshoot. With schematic in hand and a scope, put a known good tape in > the deck and check the output of the Dolby IC for both channels. If you have > signal, continue checking towards the output. If not, check the input of the > Dolby IC. If you have no signal on one channel there, I'd suspect either a > bad coupling cap or a bad head amp. > > Warren Bendler > > --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Robert Altshuler wrote: > > From: Robert Altshuler > Subject: [naktalk] troubleshooting a weak signal on left channel of bx-100 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 9:52 PM > > Hi all, > > I'm trying to revive a BX-100 that had been sitting unused in my parents > entertainment center for at least the past 5 years. The right channel > sounds good, but the left channel is inaudible at a normal volume level, > and becomes only barely audible with the volume cranked up. The level > LEDs for the right channel light up as expected, but for the left > channel only the bottom light is on. > > I'm certain the cables and the rest of the components are good, and the > fact that the left channel signal LEDs aren't lighting up makes me think > the problem really is > internal to the deck. I've tried cleaning the > record/playback head with contact cleaner, but that had no effect. I > have a multimeter and could get access to an oscilloscope if necessary. > Any suggestions on how to track this down? Is there a particular > transistor somewhere on the circuit board that could have gone bad? > > Any help would be appreciated, > -Bob > > P.S. I couldn't find any way to search the list archives - I did scan > through the thread titles for the past year, but I didn't spot anything > relevant. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From mrm12000 at cableone.net Wed Dec 24 17:51:41 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:51:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the700zxeand 1000zxl Message-ID: <50396.1230137501@cableone.net> Where did you read this? I'd like to read that article. I recently read where only speakers built with super X-Y resin or billet aluminum material were the real deal and those made of compressed particle board or > MDF where fit for the land fill. ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Dec 24 17:20:36 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:20:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door In-Reply-To: <3D54BBC4F31C4EC0A83D5F79D07C1C86@celmdnbw> References: <3D54BBC4F31C4EC0A83D5F79D07C1C86@celmdnbw> Message-ID: <49526154.6090303@verizon.net> Try to adjust the piston nozzle. Failing that, take it apart, clean well and replace the internal o-ring. Good luck finding one from Nakamichi, but try your luck at Home Depot or Lowe's plumbing departments. They carry various sizes of o-rings, you may luck out. -- Ron Ural Durusu wrote: > > Hello, I have a question about a Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Deck's > cassette door. there is a pneumatic piston which slows down the door > movement against the spring tension. Mine is not functioning properly > the door moves fast and when it is opened makes a knocking sound I > think door latches are hitting to its end position very fast. > > Should it be replaced or is there a way of maintenanace for the piston? > Regards. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Wed Dec 24 17:29:15 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:29:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door References: <3D54BBC4F31C4EC0A83D5F79D07C1C86@celmdnbw> Message-ID: <001001c965e4$c3221770$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Ural, as far as I know there should be silcon fluid in that piston assembly. Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: Ural Durusu To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door Hello, I have a question about a Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Deck's cassette door. there is a pneumatic piston which slows down the door movement against the spring tension. Mine is not functioning properly the door moves fast and when it is opened makes a knocking sound I think door latches are hitting to its end position very fast. Should it be replaced or is there a way of maintenanace for the piston? Regards. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Dec 24 18:59:55 2008 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann Services) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:59:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door In-Reply-To: <001001c965e4$c3221770$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <200812241800.mBOI0JV7010392@zxe.naks.com> That piston assembly is pneumatic and not silicone damped. There should be an adjustment screw on the back of the piston unit to adjust its speed. The O ring should have some mid weight lubricant on it just to insure a good seal against the cylinder. If the unit is cracked or damaged beyond repair I have a Dragon I am parting out and could replace it for you, but I have never had one which had to be replaced. Best of luck, Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rainer & Joy-Ell Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:29 AM To: Ural Durusu; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door Ural, as far as I know there should be silcon fluid in that piston assembly. Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: Ural Durusu To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door Hello, I have a question about a Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Deck's cassette door. there is a pneumatic piston which slows down the door movement against the spring tension. Mine is not functioning properly the door moves fast and when it is opened makes a knocking sound I think door latches are hitting to its end position very fast. Should it be replaced or is there a way of maintenanace for the piston? Regards. _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julian.Bunn at caltech.edu Wed Dec 24 19:03:31 2008 From: Julian.Bunn at caltech.edu (Julian Bunn) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:03:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 cover? In-Reply-To: <905432.37855.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <905432.37855.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49527973.8060003@caltech.edu> Thanks David ... yes, I noticed that the RX-505's window is a little different. I wonder how easy it would be to fabricate something close to the original, or is it too specialised? Julian fripp_em wrote: > I got an RX-202 and the window wouldn't stay on. Willy "heated and aligned bay window holder to properly grip bay window." The window is unique to the RX-202, so you probably need to find a parts deck. > > David > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Julian_Bunn.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 419 bytes Desc: not available URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Wed Dec 24 19:08:13 2008 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann Services) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 10:08:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL White Led Kit - It works. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200812241808.mBOI8Y1o010511@zxe.naks.com> Thanks for the referral! I have ordered some to try and will report back. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 3:29 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL White Led Kit - It works. Dear all: the led kit is in place. I used a led kit form HK, that costed 10$ includin shipping, with 50 white leds and 50 500K resistors. http://stores.ebay.com/HKJE-Led-Lamp-Center I have substituted all front lamps. They work great, and will definetively outlast me. My son and grandchildern will confirm this. However: If you plan to do it, I have the following issues: 1.- The LED is too white: I will now order a new set of "warm white leds", probably more suitable for the job, as now the lights are more blue-ish and less green-ish. This is the link for the "warm white" leds: http://stores.ebay.com/HKJE-Led-Lamp-Center_3mm-Warm-White-LED_W0QQcolZ4QQdi rZ1QQfsubZ8796350QQftidZ2QQtZkm 2.- The 500K resistor is too small (= too much light) for the ABLE / RAMM display. Probably about 1K would do, but haven't tried. I am attaching a few pics here, as I plan a new website for the upgrade. Best rgds, LP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 25130 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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David --- On Wed, 12/24/08, Julian Bunn wrote: > From: Julian Bunn > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-202 cover? > To: fripp_em at yahoo.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 10:03 AM > Thanks David ... yes, I noticed that the RX-505's window > is a little different. > > I wonder how easy it would be to fabricate something close > to the original, or > is it too specialised? > > Julian > > fripp_em wrote: > > I got an RX-202 and the window wouldn't stay on. > Willy "heated and aligned bay window holder to > properly grip bay window." The window is unique to > the RX-202, so you probably need to find a parts deck. > > > > David > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Wed Dec 24 19:38:47 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:38:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp originalin the700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <50396.1230137501@cableone.net> Message-ID: <122420081838.16671.495281B70002331C0000411F22193122529B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> I did not keep the article. but if my memory serves it was either one of the two mentioned mags a few months back. -------------- Original message from "mrm12000 at cableone.net" : -------------- > Where did you read this? I'd like to read that article. > I recently read where only speakers built with super X-Y resin or billet > aluminum > material were the real deal and those made of compressed particle board or > > MDF where fit for the land fill. > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Dec 24 21:17:25 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:17:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] keeping everything orginal op amp original in the700zxeand 1000zxl In-Reply-To: <50396.1230137501@cableone.net> References: <50396.1230137501@cableone.net> Message-ID: <495298D5.1070203@verizon.net> Such blanket statements are always suspect. I would be interested to see the credentials of the 'expert' that made that statement. Maybe 99% of all high end speakers use MDF cabinets, including my own Aerial Acoustics 10T, CC3 and SSR3 (about $20,000 worth of landfill material :-) ). -- Ron mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > Where did you read this? I'd like to read that article. > > I recently read where only speakers built with super X-Y resin or billet aluminum > material were the real deal and those made of compressed particle board or > >> MDF where fit for the land fill. >> From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Wed Dec 24 22:03:47 2008 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:03:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon cassette door Message-ID: Thank you for the Dragon cassette door piston advices I will check it if I can take that piston easily out I can replace the o rings inside but looks hard to get it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 24 23:01:36 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:01:36 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS Message-ID: <16436990.1230156096238.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Luis, I think my gauge set that now resides with Bala could be transformed into the NakTalk loaner set. Why don't we discuss that on the Nakgauges list as a short term goal for next year? tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Luis Peromarta >Sent: Dec 24, 2008 2:58 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS > >Hi Willy, >the distorsion came from the other channel, as the tapes guides were >missaligned. > >I don't have a guide height gauge, so I had to do it with a tape >travel cassette. It may not be too accurate. > >Is anybody willing to lend me a proper gauge for the job? I promise I >will return it before you notice it was gone. > >Best rgds, LP. > > > >El 21/12/2008, a las 18:54, Willy Hermann Services escribió: > >> >> >> Good luck with your distortion problem and please let us know how >> your white >> led project works. Many of us would like to plagiarize that one! >> >> Willy >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 24 23:04:20 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:04:20 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS- similar Dragon NAAC issue Message-ID: <9656131.1230156260959.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I strip/clean that grease out completely. Nakamichi said grease does no good in metal to plastic junctions, yet they applied it anyway. Stripping grease and not using new grease does wonders for vintage turntables. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Sent: Dec 22, 2008 10:45 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS- similar Dragon NAAC issue > > > >Hi Willy >update this with the following Dragon has similar NAAC tracking issue associated with Azimuth Motor drive being sluggish or getting stuck due to frozen grease. Clean the gear grooves on the shaft to make NAAC work correctly >Kannan >--- On Sun, 12/21/08, Willy Hermann Services wrote: > >> From: Willy Hermann Services >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 12:54 PM >> Congrats! I have found that the bias problem is often >> caused by mechanics, >> not electronics. The azimuth adjuster must be able to move >> smoothly with >> less than 3 volts applied. Unplug the azimuth motor and >> run it with two >> batteries to see if it runs smoothly. If the belt is too >> fat or too tight >> or if the lubricant on the worm gear has hardened a bit the >> motor needs too >> much voltage to move and the auto azimuth circuit never >> centers. It will >> occasionally stop in the right spot and move on to ABLE but >> usually >> continues to overshoot. Read my article in the technical >> articles section >> of Nak Talk Wiki for full description. >> >> Good luck with your distortion problem and please let us >> know how your white >> led project works. Many of us would like to plagiarize >> that one! >> >> Willy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >> Of Luis Peromarta >> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:38 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS >> >> Willy, >> >> I got BIAS! >> >> You were right on the spot! >> >> The azmuth took very long to complete, but it the went into >> BIAS, >> LEVEL and EQ. >> >> There is a hi. frq. distorsion on the right channel, so the >> ABLE is >> getting confused, so the adj. takes a long time to >> complete. Once >> completed, I get very nice, near flat 20-20k response. >> >> However, I am getting this distorsion in the R. channel, I >> need to >> work out. Will keep ypu posted. >> >> By the way, I am planning a white led kit upgrade for the >> front pannel >> lights. Anyone has done this before? >> >> Best rgds, LP. >> >> El 20/12/2008, a las 17:55, Willy Hermann Services >> escribió: >> >> > On the 1000ZXL if there is no preset memory being >> addressed the bias >> > oscillator is not given a level command hence no bias. >> The machine >> > must go >> > through an entire setup cycle and have at least one >> memory set to >> > record at >> > all. >> > >> > Willy >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> > Behalf >> > Of Luis Peromarta >> > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 2:03 AM >> > To: Luis Peromarta >> > Cc: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000ZXL not starting BIAS >> > >> > Hi Bala, and all, >> > >> > To simpify things: >> > >> > Load a tape, start recording, and NO BIAS. So I >> cna't record even a >> > 400Hz test signal. I have tested the erase head while >> going into rec >> > mode, and has aprox 8V, 52Khz which seems fine. >> > >> > I can however, connect the test unit, command the deck >> to start BIAS, >> > and then record. Recording of 400 Hz is then fine >> (uncalibrated, >> > however). >> > >> > What is preventing the BIAS osc. from starting? >> > >> > >> > Thanks, best rgds, LP. >> > >> > >> > El 19/12/2008, a las 11:41, Luis Peromarta escribió: >> > >> >> Bala, i don't mean the able sequence. I mean >> no bias whatsoever, so >> >> when recording the 400hz tone, only a very low >> very distorted >> >> signal is recorded, so no phase comparison can be >> done, so >> >> autoazimuth does not finish >> >> >> >> Enviado desde mi iPhone >> >> >> >> El 19/12/2008, a las 10:13, Bala Ganesh Chandra >> >> >> escribió: >> >> >> >>> Hi LP, >> >>> >> >>> The azimuth should work irregardless of bias >> and level setting, if >> >>> that's what your email below meant. First, >> get the azimuth >> >>> correction circuit working by ensuring that >> the 400Hz signal is >> >>> being fed to the record head connector >> (Computer Board B) and that >> >>> the azimuth control section on the Logic PCB >> receives both channels >> >>> of signals back from the tape. I assume at >> this point that playback >> >>> is working fine. Withouth the azimuth working >> and being completed, >> >>> it will not allow the computer to run it's >> sequence. >> >>> >> >>> Rgds, >> >>> BG >> >>> >> >>> Luis Peromarta >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Bala, thanks, yes 400hz world just fine. >> Azimuth not working >> >>> because signal recorded on tape with no boas >> os very los and >> >>> distorted. >> >>> >> >>> Enviado desde mi iPhone >> >>> >> >>> El 19/12/2008, a las 5:36, Bala Ganesh Chandra >> >> >>> escribió: >> >>> >> >>>> HI LP, >> >>>> >> >>>> Have you got the Azimuth Adjustment >> working yet? Once that is >> >>>> done, is the deck putting out 400Hz when >> turned on from the front >> >>>> panel? >> >>>> >> >>>> Rgds, >> >>>> BG >> >>>> >> >>>> Luis Peromarta >> wrote: >> >>>> Dear all, >> >>>> >> >>>> while I continue to work on the deck, I >> come to this new problem. >> >>>> >> >>>> The deck refuses to start BIAS while >> recording, thus rendering all >> >>>> recorded signals heavily distorted. >> >>>> >> >>>> The osc. is good, because I have managed >> to start it and adjust it >> >>>> with the help of the auxiliary test unit. >> >>>> >> >>>> This certainly seems like a logic problem, >> anyone has faced this >> >>>> problem before? >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks a lot in advance, and best rds, LP. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> ========= >> >>>> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> ========= >> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >>>> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> ========= >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> ========= >> >>>> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> ========= >> >>>> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> >>>> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> ========= >> >>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> ========= >> >>> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> >>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> ========= >> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >>> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> ========= >> >>> >> >>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> ========= >> >>> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> >>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> ========= >> >>> Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> >>> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >>> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> ========= >> > >> > >> > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > ========= >> > Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > ========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > ========= >> > >> > >> > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > ========= >> > Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > ========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > ========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 24 23:06:59 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:06:59 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth adjustment on the 580 - Question Message-ID: <25437128.1230156419115.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 24 23:10:04 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:10:04 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door Message-ID: <10793584.1230156604421.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 24 23:11:38 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:11:38 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL White Led Kit - It works. Message-ID: <19992873.1230156698783.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Wed Dec 24 22:55:12 2008 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:55:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Wishing everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!! Message-ID: I enjoy this site very much and wish everyone the best for the holidays! Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Dec 25 01:28:43 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 00:28:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL White Led Kit - It works. In-Reply-To: <19992873.1230156698783.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <19992873.1230156698783.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <575465170-1230164952-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1167552189-@bxe011.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Right. Small typo. :( -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brucker Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:11:38 -0600 (GMT-06:00) To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL White Led Kit - It works. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Thu Dec 25 10:12:44 2008 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (uraldurusu) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:12:44 +0200 Subject: YNT: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door References: <200812241800.mBOI0JV7010392@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171509@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL> OK. Last night I ve checked the back of that piston but I didnot see any adjustment screw or at least there should be an air inlet/outlet nozzle against vacuum. May be I should check it more carefully after your advice. I didnot see any crack or something like that I can see the piston moving inside but I didnot understand how can I take it out before fully dismantling the deck :) ________________________________ Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: Willy Hermann Services Gönderilmiş: Çar 24.12.2008 19:59 Kime: 'Rainer & Joy-Ell'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Konu: RE: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door That piston assembly is pneumatic and not silicone damped. There should be an adjustment screw on the back of the piston unit to adjust its speed. The O ring should have some mid weight lubricant on it just to insure a good seal against the cylinder. If the unit is cracked or damaged beyond repair I have a Dragon I am parting out and could replace it for you, but I have never had one which had to be replaced. Best of luck, Willy ________________________________ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rainer & Joy-Ell Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:29 AM To: Ural Durusu; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door Ural, as far as I know there should be silcon fluid in that piston assembly. Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: Ural Durusu To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door Hello, I have a question about a Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Deck's cassette door. there is a pneumatic piston which slows down the door movement against the spring tension. Mine is not functioning properly the door moves fast and when it is opened makes a knocking sound I think door latches are hitting to its end position very fast. Should it be replaced or is there a way of maintenanace for the piston? Regards. ________________________________ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 8252 bytes Desc: not available URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 21:59:20 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:59:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:"Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" In-Reply-To: <200812251103.mBPB21FZ024472@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <898913.70967.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I'm thinking those are molded parts, so unless you know someone in the field, your chances or fabricating anything close would be moot. Those windows are pretty delicate and thin obviously, as they disappear from attrition and/or learn how to fly on their own.;-) I agree your best bet would be a donor deck....most of us have had to do this for just one part. I got lucky that my 505 had a pristine window-one of the few things that was OK! Kevin  From: Julian Bunn > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RX-202 cover? > To: fripp_em at yahoo.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 10:03 AM > Thanks David ... yes, I noticed that the RX-505's window > is a little different. > > I wonder how easy it would be to fabricate something close > to the original, or > is it too specialised? > > Julian > > fripp_em wrote: > > I got an RX-202 and the window wouldn't stay on. > Willy  "heated and aligned bay window holder to > properly grip bay window."   The window is unique to > the RX-202, so you probably need to find a parts deck. > > > > David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Thu Dec 25 22:59:23 2008 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann Services) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 13:59:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door In-Reply-To: <9001F89E8B697947ACDFD967BE50657D171509@STT1EVS62.TTHMC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <200812252159.mBPLxlMG004701@zxe.naks.com> My apologies. I just pulled a Dragon transport I have and looked. It's a different piston from the usual ones on the "classic" transport. It does not have and adjustment screw nor can you remove it without removing the whole transport from the chassis. If all else works on your Dragon I would suggest that you live with opening the door carefully for now and wait until it needs further service, then have the servicer take care of the piston problem when the transport is out of the unit. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of uraldurusu Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 1:13 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: YNT: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door OK. Last night I ve checked the back of that piston but I didnot see any adjustment screw or at least there should be an air inlet/outlet nozzle against vacuum. May be I should check it more carefully after your advice. I didnot see any crack or something like that I can see the piston moving inside but I didnot understand how can I take it out before fully dismantling the deck :) _____ Kimden: naktalk-bounces at naks.com bu kişinin yerine: Willy Hermann Services Gönderilmiş: Çar 24.12.2008 19:59 Kime: 'Rainer & Joy-Ell'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Konu: RE: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door That piston assembly is pneumatic and not silicone damped. There should be an adjustment screw on the back of the piston unit to adjust its speed. The O ring should have some mid weight lubricant on it just to insure a good seal against the cylinder. If the unit is cracked or damaged beyond repair I have a Dragon I am parting out and could replace it for you, but I have never had one which had to be replaced. Best of luck, Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Rainer & Joy-Ell Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:29 AM To: Ural Durusu; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door Ural, as far as I know there should be silcon fluid in that piston assembly. Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: Ural Durusu To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door Hello, I have a question about a Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Deck's cassette door. there is a pneumatic piston which slows down the door movement against the spring tension. Mine is not functioning properly the door moves fast and when it is opened makes a knocking sound I think door latches are hitting to its end position very fast. Should it be replaced or is there a way of maintenanace for the piston? Regards. _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 10082 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 07:43:13 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:43:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL White Led Kit - It works. In-Reply-To: <19992873.1230156698783.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <607661.64410.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Luis, Congrats! It is visually pleasing as they give a more consistent illumination. I tried this for the RAMM numbers (1 thru 15) on the ZXL some time ago, bur reverted back to the bulbs as I am more used to the warm green glow. The colour change is the same issue with the LED upgrade performed on McIntosh equipment where the meters end up being more blue then green. I ended up fitting the LED kit for the meters only. The blue tint however produces a more consistent lighting with the bar graph display. Rgds, Bala -----Original Message----- From: Luis Peromarta Sent: Dec 24, 2008 5:28 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL White Led Kit - It works. Dear all: the led kit is in place. I used a led kit form HK, that costed 10$ includin shipping, with 50 white leds and 50 500K resistors. http://stores.ebay.com/HKJE-Led-Lamp-Center I have substituted all front lamps. They work great, and will definetively outlast me. My son and grandchildern will confirm this. However: If you plan to do it, I have the following issues: 1.- The LED is too white: I will now order a new set of "warm white leds", probably more suitable for the job, as now the lights are more blue-ish and less green-ish. This is the link for the "warm white" leds: http://stores.ebay.com/HKJE-Led-Lamp-Center_3mm-Warm-White-LED_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ8796350QQftidZ2QQtZkm 2.- The 500K resistor is too small (= too much light) for the ABLE / RAMM display. Probably about 1K would do, but haven't tried. I am attaching a few pics here, as I plan a new website for the upgrade. Best rgds, LP. Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 09:04:44 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 00:04:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <263762.71035.qm@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <838567.31109.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear All, As the New Year approaches, and we prepare for an unprecendented year ahead, I would like to wish all friends here a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year ahead. As we prepare for the difficult times, one of the few things that help us forget such tough times are music, which our beloved Nakamichis bring us. My own few years of experience with cassettes has been an emotional journey which has been filled with joy, exhiliration, frustration, sadness, excitement and amazement. Cassettes have yet to cease being exciting and looking back at past years, the year ahead is going to be even more exciting. I have always shared what I know here on Naktalk, and have tried to give back what Naktalk has given to me. If we look among our equipment and tools, the most valuable tool has to be Naktalk.It alone has the power to bring people spread across continents together and help one another. Undeniably, Naktalk has become more then just a mailing list. Over the course of this year, I have had a number of private emails asking me why I had not shared as much as I had in previous years and about my sudden absence here in Naktalk. I have always tried to be helpful as I have acceeded to many people's request for help. One such request came to me from very far. This particular person had a troubled deck which was sent for repairs but unfortunately was still giving problems. I accepted this job for a modest price and the deck was sent to me. What evnetually transpired was a deck fraught with mutlple problems and even missing components. In the mean time, this person accquired another similar deck of a special version which again had problems. This time I isolated the problems via telephone and had him send just the problem cards to me in order to trim shipping costs and avoid any shipping mishaps. After repair and heavy testing, the cards were sent back to him. I do understand that this person waxes lyrical about this deck. I have been also told that this deck has emerged 'winner' in the recent trial against the 'Dragonized' ZXL. As for his earlier deck, much of the repair had been completed and this person paid a visit to see the deck playback in person! During his visit, he even brought additional decks for service. However due to the nature of the fault, the deck kept failing and within months of his visit, this person started sending mails and threatening over the phone. One of his emails eventually showed that he was pressured by his friend to ask for his deck back. The persons's items were eventually sent back, and a full refund of his payment was made. I had decided not to speak out about this episode as I had made the mistake of procastinating the shipment of this deck due to personal reasons. This person however mailed a number of people and attempted to paint a bad picture of me. Being friends who knew me better, they started mailing, and even calling me to find out what really happened. These people have been the reasons why I came back to Naktalk and have asked me to speak up. A big thank you to all of you - you know who you are. There have been people who have held repair jobs far, far longer then I had. There have been more malicious and vicious people who have tried and sometimes failed to spread rumours. While I have spoken very harshly against a number of members, I bear malice against no one here as we all have a common pursuit. There are a number of people who provide service for Naks and what you pay is what you get. This message is not meant to dig up a problem but to satisfy those who have repeatedly ask me to speak up as they see an injustice being done. I have done so although this matter has been laid to rest within me a long time ago. As we go into the new year, there are more things to discover, more to learn, and more to share. Naktalk continues to be a treasure trove of knowledge and discovery as it holds many knowledgeable and experienced people. I contribute where I can although I have never claimed or aspired to be a leader or a 'know-all'. No matter how high we are, we still have so much to learn. Let us look beyond op-amps, tubes, transistors and other smaller things and see the brotherhood that Naktalk has become. Let us all step into 2009 with bigger things in mind . Best Regards to Nakkers and their families, Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Prior to my reaching Singapore, Mr. Ganesh had requested from me a $3000 loan for some business purpose of his. I politely refused this but still visited him not letting this request pollute me. I socialized with him and his wonderful baby boy and his very decent wife and spent two whole days with them in October 2007 and I was made to audition a deck, which was presumably mine. At this time I had hand carried my ailing 700ZXL also and told him to take his time on that one after the 1000ZXL repair was complete. Once I returned from Singapore to the USA, we kept in constant touch and in November 2007, I was once again approached by Mr. Ganesh for a $30,000 credit letter from my company for his business interests, which again, I refused. I was slowly feeling something was not right, but still kept in touch almost daily. Fast forward to February and   I ended up sending my 680ZX and another 1000ZXL to ESL and he happened to hear this and threw a heavy tantrum to me and I firmly told him at the time to stop effusing anger at me and that I haver the right to send my decks anywhere. He calmed down and said that the 1000ZLX will be done soon. In early March 2008, I was told that the Dragon Transport was in the 1000ZXL and all was fine except a logic issue. At this point I asked him if its even worth fixing this deck or just junking it. He again got upset at me for asking that and I kept quiet. I had at this  point started getting tired of his tantrums and told him so. Around this time another Naktalker( I shall not mention any ones name here) emailed me stating he had paid Mr. Ganesh for some rabbit ears for his 680 decks  a while ago( over 9-10 months) and had never got the item nor any emails from him.  He warned me that I may never get my decks back and soon others ( again no names please) wrote to me indicating some impropriety with Mr. Ganesh. I started perceiving the same. In another call in March 2008, I requested my decks back( 3 of them, a 1000ZXL, a 700ZXL and a Revox B215 which I had bought for Mr. Ganesh as part of his fee for fixing the ZXLs and had it shipped to him at $275 cost. He had by this time cut off his home phone line and stopped answering his cell phone for a week straight. He did not make any effort to ship my decks and he had my FEDEX account number too! Then around early April 2008 I reached him on his cell and gave him a dead line to return my 3 decks at my cost and that I shall have them packed and picked up from his home at my cost, failing which I would approach the Singapore Consul in New York and start a formal complaint for holding my property and not returning it at my repeated requests. I had the decks picked up by my contacts in Singapore and packed and shipped to me! He returned all 3 decks and when they arrived, the 1000ZXL was as it was sent. The Dragon transport was untouched and the 700ZXL box was unopened. He claimed he undid the Dragon transport on the ZXL and all other repairs to it! I saw that he had replaced all caps on the PB board and nothing else was done. In fact, he had even gone to extent of unwinding some of the hard wires on the power supply board of the deck, so it shorted.  Willy Herman has had  this deck now and can attest to how he received this deck from me! This PB board when inserted into my other ZLX would not even calibrate or play properly. I then emailed him to return the monies paid to him for the 1000ZXL repair and he did so in July 2008.He even refunded the money he charged for the Limited's PB/Rec board caps. Any Pena took up the restoration of the 700 ZLX and expedited it in a month and so did Willy Herman the 1000ZXL. I incurred shipping costs of over $1000 ( perhaps more)for the decks I shipped back and forth  to Mr. Ganesh in Singapore , which I am out regardless. That was a high price to pay for cap replacements to the Limited's board! I learned the hard way not to be penny wise and pound foolish! I had been had! I never emailed anyone voluntarily. I  responded to people who sent me private emails asking if it was this individual who acted the way I had mentioned. I posted on Naktalk and other forums without mentioning any names, because I did not want any one else losing the way I had. I have no ill feelings with Mr. Ganesh and have moved on and never even comment on anything he says or posts. Bala, please find closure. I have. We all need to have closure and I shall not comment on this matter any more. Happy New Year all! Regards, Ram --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 3:04 AM Dear All,   As the New Year approaches, and we prepare for an unprecendented year ahead, I would like to wish all friends here a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year ahead.   As we prepare for the difficult times, one of the few things that help us forget such tough times are music, which our beloved Nakamichis bring us. My own few years of experience with cassettes has been an emotional journey which has been filled with joy, exhiliration, frustration, sadness, excitement and amazement.   Cassettes have yet to cease being exciting and looking back at past years, the year ahead is going to be even more exciting. I have always shared what I know here on Naktalk, and have tried to give back what Naktalk has given to me. If we look among our equipment and tools, the most valuable tool has to be Naktalk.It alone has the power to bring people spread across continents together and help one another. Undeniably, Naktalk has become more then just a mailing list.   Over the course of this year, I have had a number of private emails asking me why I had not shared as much as I had in previous years and about my sudden absence here in Naktalk. I have always tried to be helpful as I have acceeded to many people's request for help. One such request came to me from very far. This particular person had a troubled deck which was sent for repairs but unfortunately was still giving problems. I accepted this job for a modest price and the deck was sent to me. What evnetually transpired was a deck fraught with mutlple problems and even missing components.    In the mean time, this person accquired another similar deck of a special version which again had problems. This time I isolated the problems via telephone and had him send just the problem cards to me in order to trim shipping costs and avoid any shipping mishaps.  After repair and heavy testing, the cards were sent back to him. I do understand that this person waxes lyrical about this deck. I have been also told that this deck has emerged 'winner' in the recent trial against the 'Dragonized' ZXL.     As for his earlier deck, much of the repair had been completed and this person paid a visit to see the deck playback in person! During his visit, he even brought additional decks for service. However due to the nature of the fault, the deck kept failing and within months of his visit,  this person started sending mails and threatening over the phone. One of his emails eventually showed that he was pressured by his friend to ask for his deck back. The persons's items were eventually sent back, and a full refund of his payment was made.   I had decided not to speak out about this episode as I had made the mistake of procastinating the shipment of this deck due to personal reasons. This person however mailed a number of people and attempted to paint a bad picture of me. Being friends who knew me better, they started mailing, and even calling me to find out what really happened.  These people have been the reasons why I came back to Naktalk and have asked me to speak up. A big thank you to all of you - you know who you are.   There have been people who have held repair jobs far, far longer then I had. There have been more malicious and vicious people who have tried and sometimes failed to spread rumours. While I have spoken very harshly against a number of members, I bear malice against no one here as we all have a common pursuit. There are a number of people who provide  service for Naks and what you pay is what you get. This message is not meant to dig up a problem but to satisfy those who have repeatedly ask me to speak up as they see an injustice being done. I have done so although this matter has been laid to rest within me a long time ago.     As we go into the new year, there are more things to discover, more to learn, and more to share. Naktalk continues to be a treasure trove of knowledge and discovery as it holds many knowledgeable and experienced people. I contribute where I can although I have never claimed or aspired to be a leader or a 'know-all'. No matter how high we are, we still have so much to learn. Let us look beyond op-amps, tubes, transistors and other smaller things and see the brotherhood that Naktalk has become.   Let us all step into 2009 with bigger things in mind .   Best Regards to Nakkers and their families, Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 18:21:57 2008 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 09:21:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <838567.31109.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <914678.82317.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Bala,   Well said.    I have learned a lot myself since joining Naktalk last Feb.    Happy New Year to you too and everyone else on Naktalk.    Jayson --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 3:04 AM Dear All,   As the New Year approaches, and we prepare for an unprecendented year ahead, I would like to wish all friends here a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year ahead.   As we prepare for the difficult times, one of the few things that help us forget such tough times are music, which our beloved Nakamichis bring us. My own few years of experience with cassettes has been an emotional journey which has been filled with joy, exhiliration, frustration, sadness, excitement and amazement.   Cassettes have yet to cease being exciting and looking back at past years, the year ahead is going to be even more exciting. I have always shared what I know here on Naktalk, and have tried to give back what Naktalk has given to me. If we look among our equipment and tools, the most valuable tool has to be Naktalk.It alone has the power to bring people spread across continents together and help one another. Undeniably, Naktalk has become more then just a mailing list.   Over the course of this year, I have had a number of private emails asking me why I had not shared as much as I had in previous years and about my sudden absence here in Naktalk. I have always tried to be helpful as I have acceeded to many people's request for help. One such request came to me from very far. This particular person had a troubled deck which was sent for repairs but unfortunately was still giving problems. I accepted this job for a modest price and the deck was sent to me. What evnetually transpired was a deck fraught with mutlple problems and even missing components.    In the mean time, this person accquired another similar deck of a special version which again had problems. This time I isolated the problems via telephone and had him send just the problem cards to me in order to trim shipping costs and avoid any shipping mishaps.  After repair and heavy testing, the cards were sent back to him. I do understand that this person waxes lyrical about this deck. I have been also told that this deck has emerged 'winner' in the recent trial against the 'Dragonized' ZXL.     As for his earlier deck, much of the repair had been completed and this person paid a visit to see the deck playback in person! During his visit, he even brought additional decks for service. However due to the nature of the fault, the deck kept failing and within months of his visit,  this person started sending mails and threatening over the phone. One of his emails eventually showed that he was pressured by his friend to ask for his deck back. The persons's items were eventually sent back, and a full refund of his payment was made.   I had decided not to speak out about this episode as I had made the mistake of procastinating the shipment of this deck due to personal reasons. This person however mailed a number of people and attempted to paint a bad picture of me. Being friends who knew me better, they started mailing, and even calling me to find out what really happened.  These people have been the reasons why I came back to Naktalk and have asked me to speak up. A big thank you to all of you - you know who you are.   There have been people who have held repair jobs far, far longer then I had. There have been more malicious and vicious people who have tried and sometimes failed to spread rumours. While I have spoken very harshly against a number of members, I bear malice against no one here as we all have a common pursuit. There are a number of people who provide  service for Naks and what you pay is what you get. This message is not meant to dig up a problem but to satisfy those who have repeatedly ask me to speak up as they see an injustice being done. I have done so although this matter has been laid to rest within me a long time ago.     As we go into the new year, there are more things to discover, more to learn, and more to share. Naktalk continues to be a treasure trove of knowledge and discovery as it holds many knowledgeable and experienced people. I contribute where I can although I have never claimed or aspired to be a leader or a 'know-all'. No matter how high we are, we still have so much to learn. Let us look beyond op-amps, tubes, transistors and other smaller things and see the brotherhood that Naktalk has become.   Let us all step into 2009 with bigger things in mind .   Best Regards to Nakkers and their families, Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 26 21:03:42 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 20:03:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <838567.31109.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <263762.71035.qm@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <838567.31109.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <122620082003.15262.4955389D000A85FE00003B9E22218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Since I am not "in the know" regarding the specifics of this case, the group seemed to agree that once the requested repair reaches a certain point, (where communication between both parties has failed, and service progress ceased), then the best course of action is to return property to the owner ASAP and not lolligag. -------------- Original message from Bala Ganesh Chandra : -------------- Dear All, As the New Year approaches, and we prepare for an unprecendented year ahead, I would like to wish all friends here a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year ahead. As we prepare for the difficult times, one of the few things that help us forget such tough times are music, which our beloved Nakamichis bring us. My own few years of experience with cassettes has been an emotional journey which has been filled with joy, exhiliration, frustration, sadness, excitement and amazement. Cassettes have yet to cease being exciting and looking back at past years, the year ahead is going to be even more exciting. I have always shared what I know here on Naktalk, and have tried to give back what Naktalk has given to me. If we look among our equipment and tools, the most valuable tool has to be Naktalk.It alone has the power to bring people spread across continents together and help one another. Undeniably, Naktalk has become more then just a mailing list. Over the course of this year, I have had a number of private emails asking me why I had not shared as much as I had in previous years and about my sudden absence here in Naktalk. I have always tried to be helpful as I have acceeded to many people's request for help. One such request came to me from very far. This particular person had a troubled deck which was sent for repairs but unfortunately was still giving problems. I accepted this job for a modest price and the deck was sent to me. What evnetually transpired was a deck fraught with mutlple problems and even missing components. In the mean time, this person accquired another similar deck of a special version which again had problems. This time I isolated the problems via telephone and had him send just the problem cards to me in order to trim shipping costs and avoid any shipping mishaps. After repair and heavy testing, the cards were sent back to him. I do understand that this person waxes lyrical about this deck. I have been also told that this deck has emerged 'winner' in the recent trial against the 'Dragonized' ZXL. As for his earlier deck, much of the repair had been completed and this person paid a visit to see the deck playback in person! During his visit, he even brought additional decks for service. However due to the nature of the fault, the deck kept failing and within months of his visit, this person started sending mails and threatening over the phone. One of his emails eventually showed that he was pressured by his friend to ask for his deck back. The persons's items were eventually sent back, and a full refund of his payment was made. I had decided not to speak out about this episode as I had made the mistake of procastinating the shipment of this deck due to personal reasons. This person however mailed a number of people and attempted to paint a bad picture of me. Being friends who knew me better, they started mailing, and even calling me to find out what really happened. These people have been the reasons why I came back to Naktalk and have asked me to speak up. A big thank you to all of you - you know who you are. There have been people who have held repair jobs far, far longer then I had. There have been more malicious and vicious people who have tried and sometimes failed to spread rumours. While I have spoken very harshly against a number of members, I bear malice against no one here as we all have a common pursuit. There are a number of people who provide service for Naks and what you pay is what you get. This message is not meant to dig up a problem but to satisfy those who have repeatedly ask me to speak up as they see an injustice being done. I have done so although this matter has been laid to rest within me a long time ago. As we go into the new year, there are more things to discover, more to learn, and more to share. Naktalk continues to be a treasure trove of knowledge and discovery as it holds many knowledgeable and experienced people. I contribute where I can although I have never claimed or aspired to be a leader or a 'know-all'. No matter how high we are, we still have so much to learn. Let us look beyond op-amps, tubes, transistors and other smaller things and see the brotherhood that Naktalk has become. Let us all step into 2009 with bigger things in mind . Best Regards to Nakkers and their families, Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Fri Dec 26 22:35:58 2008 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:35:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door References: <200812252159.mBPLxlMG004701@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <0046DF9EC9D54337A3BAB8EC4664AC0F@celmdnbw> Yes Willy you are right it is very hard to get it out normally I dont need to take the cylinder out it is enogh just to take the piston out. but bothways it looks difficult I decided to take the motor control PCB out just to reach the 2 screws fixing the complete pneumatic damper to the inner transport plate, it is also difficult. Then I decided to reduce the spring tension I ve added now another short spring to the original one so it is soft now and not hitting to the edges. Thank you very much for you ideas and investigation also. Do you sell Dragon parts? If you hae any website or have a listing on ebay I can visit. Normally I want to buy a new faceplate with the power and eject buttons which is cosmetically good condition. I really like cassette decks besides the DRAGON I have one CR7, DR10 and an AKAI GX75MK2. The CR7 it is best I think. I prefer CR7 over DRAGON no doubts. Ural -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sat Dec 27 17:03:16 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:03:16 EST Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 happy new year to Bala Message-ID: Hi Bala , Wishing you a very HAPPY NEW YEAR! you have provided great service over the years at Naktalk and we really appreciate it very much! Your Fan, Ali In a message dated 12/26/2008 10:04:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Dear All, As the New Year approaches, and we prepare for an unprecendented year ahead, I would like to wish all friends here a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year ahead. As we prepare for the difficult times, one of the few things that help us forget such tough times are music, which our beloved Nakamichis bring us. My own few years of experience with cassettes has been an emotional journey which has been filled with joy, exhiliration, frustration, sadness, excitement and amazement. Cassettes have yet to cease being exciting and looking back at past years, the year ahead is going to be even more exciting. I have always shared what I know here on Naktalk, and have tried to give back what Naktalk has given to me. If we look among our equipment and tools, the most valuable tool has to be Naktalk.It alone has the power to bring people spread across continents together and help one another. Undeniably, Naktalk has become more then just a mailing list. Over the course of this year, I have had a number of private emails asking me why I had not shared as much as I had in previous years and about my sudden absence here in Naktalk. I have always tried to be helpful as I have acceeded to many people's request for help. One such request came to me from very far. This particular person had a troubled deck which was sent for repairs but unfortunately was still giving problems. I accepted this job for a modest price and the deck was sent to me. What evnetually transpired was a deck fraught with mutlple problems and even missing components. In the mean time, this person accquired another similar deck of a special version which again had problems. This time I isolated the problems via telephone and had him send just the problem cards to me in order to trim shipping costs and avoid any shipping mishaps. After repair and heavy testing, the cards were sent back to him. I do understand that this person waxes lyrical about this deck. I have been also told that this deck has emerged 'winner' in the recent trial against the 'Dragonized' ZXL. As for his earlier deck, much of the repair had been completed and this person paid a visit to see the deck playback in person! During his visit, he even brought additional decks for service. However due to the nature of the fault, the deck kept failing and within months of his visit, this person started sending mails and threatening over the phone. One of his emails eventually showed that he was pressured by his friend to ask for his deck back. The persons's items were eventually sent back, and a full refund of his payment was made. I had decided not to speak out about this episode as I had made the mistake of procastinating the shipment of this deck due to personal reasons. This person however mailed a number of people and attempted to paint a bad picture of me. Being friends who knew me better, they started mailing, and even calling me to find out what really happened. These people have been the reasons why I came back to Naktalk and have asked me to speak up. A big thank you to all of you - you know who you are. There have been people who have held repair jobs far, far longer then I had. There have been more malicious and vicious people who have tried and sometimes failed to spread rumours. While I have spoken very harshly against a number of members, I bear malice against no one here as we all have a common pursuit. There are a number of people who provide service for Naks and what you pay is what you get. This message is not meant to dig up a problem but to satisfy those who have repeatedly ask me to speak up as they see an injustice being done. I have done so although this matter has been laid to rest within me a long time ago. As we go into the new year, there are more things to discover, more to learn, and more to share. Naktalk continues to be a treasure trove of knowledge and discovery as it holds many knowledgeable and experienced people. I contribute where I can although I have never claimed or aspired to be a leader or a 'know-all'. No matter how high we are, we still have so much to learn. Let us look beyond op-amps, tubes, transistors and other smaller things and see the brotherhood that Naktalk has become. Let us all step into 2009 with bigger things in mind . Best Regards to Nakkers and their families, Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 17:53:40 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 08:53:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 Message-ID: <828356.94273.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Bala, Nice note and heartfelt sentiments going into the New Year.  Maybe we should even coin the phrase; "You find out who your real friends are, when you work on their Naks."  Nothing good ever comes from a smear campaign, or to accuse someone of 'fraud' on a member driven forum. It's a really big deal when you take possession of someone's Nak. In a real sense, you then become 'responsible', no mater what the outcome. That takes a certain amount of courage, indeed! I sent an Aiwa deck to a forum 'friend' (not this forum), almost two yrs ago-I'm still waiting for that deck, although I think it's been repaired for the most part. However, I bear him no ill will, just view it as a learning experience never to be repeated. I therefore encourage everyone to do the research and then gain the knowledge of what to expect (reasonably) by a repair person. It seems that Naks wind up being a very personal piece of stereo hardware that most become very passionate about.;-) Maybe even coin another phrase; "Don't touch my Nak!"  I had a roomful of very jaded, twenty somethings on Xmas day. I was playing Christmas music with the repeat function on my RX-505. I noticed one of them eyeballing the machine and pretty soon (without me saying anything), they noticed the machine flipping the tape. It definitely became the 'darling' of the day', even within the Ipod set. The sound won them over as well.;-) Anyway, glad you came back and your posts are most appreciated! Kevin Message: 4 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 00:04:44 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <838567.31109.qm at web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear All,       As the New Year approaches, and we prepare for an unprecendented year ahead, I would like to wish all friends here a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year ahead.       As we prepare for the difficult times, one of the few things that help us forget such tough times are music, which our beloved Nakamichis bring us. My own few years of experience with cassettes has been an emotional journey which has been filled with joy, exhiliration, frustration, sadness, excitement and amazement.       Cassettes have yet to cease being exciting and looking back at past years, the year ahead is going to be even more exciting. I have always shared what I know here on Naktalk, and have tried to give back what Naktalk has given to me. If we look among our equipment and tools, the most valuable tool has to be Naktalk.It alone has the power to bring people spread across continents together and help one another. Undeniably, Naktalk has become more then just a mailing list.       Over the course of this year, I have had a number of private emails asking me why I had not shared as much as I had in previous years and about my sudden absence here in Naktalk. I have always tried to be helpful as I have acceeded to many people's request for help. One such request came to me from very far. This particular person had a troubled deck which was sent for repairs but unfortunately was still giving problems. I accepted this job for a modest price and the deck was sent to me. What evnetually transpired was a deck fraught with mutlple problems and even missing components.       In the mean time, this person accquired another similar deck of a special version which again had problems. This time I isolated the problems via telephone and had him send just the problem cards to me in order to trim shipping costs and avoid any shipping mishaps.  After repair and heavy testing, the cards were sent back to him. I do understand that this person waxes lyrical about this deck. I have been also told that this deck has emerged 'winner' in the recent trial against the 'Dragonized' ZXL.        As for his earlier deck, much of the repair had been completed and this person paid a visit to see the deck playback in person! During his visit, he even brought additional decks for service. However due to the nature of the fault, the deck kept failing and within months of his visit,  this person started sending mails and threatening over the phone. One of his emails eventually showed that he was pressured by his friend to ask for his deck back. The persons's items were eventually sent back, and a full refund of his payment was made.       I had decided not to speak out about this episode as I had made the mistake of procastinating the shipment of this deck due to personal reasons. This person however mailed a number of people and attempted to paint a bad picture of me. Being friends who knew me better, they started mailing, and even calling me to find out what really happened.  These people have been the reasons why I came back to Naktalk and have asked me to speak up. A big thank you to all of you - you know who you are.       There have been people who have held repair jobs far, far longer then I had. There have been more malicious and vicious people who have tried and sometimes failed to spread rumours. While I have spoken very harshly against a number of members, I bear malice against no one here as we all have a common pursuit. There are a number of people who provide  service for Naks and what you pay is what you get. This message is not meant to dig up a problem but to satisfy those who have repeatedly ask me to speak up as they see an injustice being done. I have done so although this matter has been laid to rest within me a long time ago.        As we go into the new year, there are more things to discover, more to learn, and more to share. Naktalk continues to be a treasure trove of knowledge and discovery as it holds many knowledgeable and experienced people. I contribute where I can although I have never claimed or aspired to be a leader or a 'know-all'. No matter how high we are, we still have so much to learn. Let us look beyond op-amps, tubes, transistors and other smaller things and see the brotherhood that Naktalk has become.       Let us all step into 2009 with bigger things in mind .       Best Regards to Nakkers and their families,   Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 27 20:06:58 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:06:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <828356.94273.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <122720081906.2203.49567CD0000D72C00000089B22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Play on a scene from an Officer and a Gentleman: "you eyeballing my Nak boy???" hehe -------------- Original message from Kevin Fetner : -------------- Bala, Nice note and heartfelt sentiments going into the New Year. Maybe we should even coin the phrase; "You find out who your real friends are, when you work on their Naks." Nothing good ever comes from a smear campaign, or to accuse someone of 'fraud' on a member driven forum. It's a really big deal when you take possession of someone's Nak. In a real sense, you then become 'responsible', no mater what the outcome. That takes a certain amount of courage, indeed! I sent an Aiwa deck to a forum 'friend' (not this forum), almost two yrs ago-I'm still waiting for that deck, although I think it's been repaired for the most part. However, I bear him no ill will, just view it as a learning experience never to be repeated. I therefore encourage everyone to do the research and then gain the knowledge of what to expect (reasonably) by a repair person. It seems that Naks wind up being a very personal piece of stereo hardware that most become very passionate about.;-) Maybe even coin another phrase; "Don't touch my Nak!" I had a roomful of very jaded, twenty somethings on Xmas day. I was playing Christmas music with the repeat function on my RX-505. I noticed one of them eyeballing the machine and pretty soon (without me saying anything), they noticed the machine flipping the tape. It definitely became the 'darling' of the day', even within the Ipod set. The sound won them over as well.;-) Anyway, glad you came back and your posts are most appreciated! Kevin Message: 4 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 00:04:44 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <838567.31109.qm at web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear All, As the New Year approaches, and we prepare for an unprecendented year ahead, I would like to wish all friends here a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year ahead. As we prepare for the difficult times, one of the few things that help us forget such tough times are music, which our beloved Nakamichis bring us. My own few years of experience with cassettes has been an emotional journey which has been filled with joy, exhiliration, frustration, sadness, excitement and amazement. Cassettes have yet to cease being exciting and looking back at past years, the year ahead is going to be even more exciting. I have always shared what I know here on Naktalk, and have tried to give back what Naktalk has given to me. If we look among our equipment and tools, the most valuable tool has to be Naktalk.It alone has the power to bring people spread across continents together and help one another. Undeniably, Naktalk has become more then just a mailing list. Over the course of this year, I have had a number of private emails asking me why I had not shared as much as I had in previous years and about my sudden absence here in Naktalk. I have always tried to be helpful as I have acceeded to many people's request for help. One such request came to me from very far. This particular person had a troubled deck which was sent for repairs but unfortunately was still giving problems. I accepted this job for a modest price and the deck was sent to me. What evnetually transpired was a deck fraught with mutlple problems and even missing components. In the mean time, this person accquired another similar deck of a special version which again had problems. This time I isolated the problems via telephone and had him send just the problem cards to me in order to trim shipping costs and avoid any shipping mishaps. After repair and heavy testing, the cards were sent back to him. I do understand that this person waxes lyrical about this deck. I have been also told that this deck has emerged 'winner' in the recent trial against the 'Dragonized' ZXL. As for his earlier deck, much of the repair had been completed and this person paid a visit to see the deck playback in person! During his visit, he even brought additional decks for service. However due to the nature of the fault, the deck kept failing and within months of his visit, this person started sending mails and threatening over the phone. One of his emails eventually showed that he was pressured by his friend to ask for his deck back. The persons's items were eventually sent back, and a full refund of his payment was made. I had decided not to speak out about this episode as I had made the mistake of procastinating the shipment of this deck due to personal reasons. This person however mailed a number of people and attempted to paint a bad picture of me. Being friends who knew me better, they started mailing, and even calling me to find out what really happened. These people have been the reasons why I came back to Naktalk and have asked me to speak up. A big thank you to all of you - you know who you are. There have been people who have held repair jobs far, far longer then I had. There have been more malicious and vicious people who have tried and sometimes failed to spread rumours. While I have spoken very harshly against a number of members, I bear malice against no one here as we all have a common pursuit. There are a number of people who provide service for Naks and what you pay is what you get. This message is not meant to dig up a problem but to satisfy those who have repeatedly ask me to speak up as they see an injustice being done. I have done so although this matter has been laid to rest within me a long time ago. As we go into the new year, there are more things to discover, more to learn, and more to share. Naktalk continues to be a treasure trove of knowledge and discovery as it holds many knowledgeable and experienced people. I contribute where I can although I have never claimed or aspired to be a leader or a 'know-all'. No matter how high we are, we still have so much to learn. Let us look beyond op-amps, tubes, transistors and other smaller things and see the brotherhood that Naktalk has become. Let us all step into 2009 with bigger things in mind . Best Regards to Nakkers and their families, Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat Dec 27 22:10:38 2008 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann Services) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:10:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door In-Reply-To: <0046DF9EC9D54337A3BAB8EC4664AC0F@celmdnbw> Message-ID: <200812272110.mBRLAqQK024455@zxe.naks.com> I don't sell Nak parts as a rule. I only have the parts I need to service decks. I do have a Dragon I am cannibalizing for parts and the face is in good shape but the power and eject buttons have already been taken by someone else. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ural Durusu Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 1:36 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette door Yes Willy you are right it is very hard to get it out normally I dont need to take the cylinder out it is enogh just to take the piston out. but bothways it looks difficult I decided to take the motor control PCB out just to reach the 2 screws fixing the complete pneumatic damper to the inner transport plate, it is also difficult. Then I decided to reduce the spring tension I ve added now another short spring to the original one so it is soft now and not hitting to the edges. Thank you very much for you ideas and investigation also. Do you sell Dragon parts? If you hae any website or have a listing on ebay I can visit. Normally I want to buy a new faceplate with the power and eject buttons which is cosmetically good condition. I really like cassette decks besides the DRAGON I have one CR7, DR10 and an AKAI GX75MK2. The CR7 it is best I think. I prefer CR7 over DRAGON no doubts. Ural -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Dec 28 00:27:50 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:27:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 Message-ID: <3104557.1230420470342.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 00:57:52 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:57:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 happy new year to Bala Message-ID: <521171.93984.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Ram, Far be it for me to take sides in this, but.....in a way, I'm glad you stated your case, but from another perspective, it's really more information than most of us wanted to know. Granted, as the kids say, someone is obviously still 'butt hurt' over the transaction. After hearing both sides, my initial reaction/query would be; why did you feel you had to send your decks clear around the world, with stellar techs right here at home like Andy P, Tom B and Willy H?? Maybe you learned the hard way, or thought some sort of deck trading would be beneficial for all parties concerned? Anyway, it's not enough just to say "I'm not going to mention any names" in this small community, because many here know exactly who you guys are referring to. And if not, it would usually just take a simple email to find out. I hope this can finally be put to rest, because I really value input from both you guys and it would be counterproductive to fellow naktalkers to take sides. I empathize though, because I've had audio repair deals fall through as well, albeit on a smaller scale. This restoration process is 'twitchy' to say the least, because so few people are involved in it on a full time basis like Jeff at ESL-not to mention unobtanium parts. In hindsight, with what you paid, it would have been cheaper to go with Jeff. It sounds like your financial constraints are much different than mine, but that doesn't mean Nak repair should ever become 'cost is no object'. Heaven help most of us if it comes to that someday for us Nak enthusiasts-like the full restoration prices of commercial Studer R2R decks! Kevin Dear fellow Naktalkers,  I thought we had put this unfortunate incident to rest once and for all, but I see some hurt still. Therefore, this response of mine to let everyone know what actually went on between Bala Ganesh and I. It was I who had sent the deck(1000ZXL) to Bala Ganesh in 2007 from the USA and was assured of a reasonable time to repair the said deck with all its isssues. I trusted him and even sent my Limited PB and record boards to him for cap replacements, which he did very expeditiously and I paid him immediately for the same via paypal upon his request. I thanked him profusely for that and decided to make a trip to Singapore to visit this "genius" Nak talker. Prior to my reaching Singapore, Mr. Ganesh had requested from me a $3000 loan for some business purpose of his. I politely refused this but still visited him not letting this request pollute me. I socialized with him and his wonderful baby boy and his very decent wife and spent two whole days with them in October 2007 and I was made to audition a deck, which was presumably mine. At this time I had hand carried my ailing 700ZXL also and told him to take his time on that one after the 1000ZXL repair was complete. Once I returned from Singapore to the USA, we kept in constant touch and in November 2007, I was once again approached by Mr. Ganesh for a $30,000 credit letter from my company for his business interests, which again, I refused. I was slowly feeling something was not right, but still kept in touch almost daily. Fast forward to February and   I ended up sending my 680ZX and another 1000ZXL to ESL and he happened to hear this and threw a heavy tantrum to me and I firmly told him at the time to stop effusing anger at me and that I haver the right to send my decks anywhere. He calmed down and said that the 1000ZLX will be done soon. In early March 2008, I was told that the Dragon Transport was in the 1000ZXL and all was fine except a logic issue. At this point I asked him if its even worth fixing this deck or just junking it. He again got upset at me for asking that and I kept quiet. I had at this  point started getting tired of his tantrums and told him so. Around this time another Naktalker( I shall not mention any ones name here) emailed me stating he had paid Mr. Ganesh for some rabbit ears for his 680 decks  a while ago( over 9-10 months) and had never got the item nor any emails from him.  He warned me that I may never get my decks back and soon others ( again no names please) wrote to me indicating some impropriety with Mr. Ganesh. I started perceiving the same. In another call in March 2008, I requested my decks back( 3 of them, a 1000ZXL, a 700ZXL and a Revox B215 which I had bought for Mr. Ganesh as part of his fee for fixing the ZXLs and had it shipped to him at $275 cost. He had by this time cut off his home phone line and stopped answering his cell phone for a week straight. He did not make any effort to ship my decks and he had my FEDEX account number too! Then around early April 2008 I reached him on his cell and gave him a dead line to return my 3 decks at my cost and that I shall have them packed and picked up from his home at my cost, failing which I would approach the Singapore Consul in New York and start a formal complaint for holding my property and not returning it at my repeated requests. I had the decks picked up by my contacts in Singapore and packed and shipped to me! He returned all 3 decks and when they arrived, the 1000ZXL was as it was sent. The Dragon transport was untouched and the 700ZXL box was unopened. He claimed he undid the Dragon transport on the ZXL and all other repairs to it! I saw that he had replaced all caps on the PB board and nothing else was done. In fact, he had even gone to extent of unwinding some of the hard wires on the power supply board of the deck, so it shorted.  Willy Herman has had  this deck now and can attest to how he received this deck from me! This PB board when inserted into my other ZLX would not even calibrate or play properly. I then emailed him to return the monies paid to him for the 1000ZXL repair and he did so in July 2008.He even refunded the money he charged for the Limited's PB/Rec board caps. Any Pena took up the restoration of the 700 ZLX and expedited it in a month and so did Willy Herman the 1000ZXL. I incurred shipping costs of over $1000 ( perhaps more)for the decks I shipped back and forth  to Mr. Ganesh in Singapore , which I am out regardless. That was a high price to pay for cap replacements to the Limited's board! I learned the hard way not to be penny wise and pound foolish! I had been had! I never emailed anyone voluntarily. I  responded to people who sent me private emails asking if it was this individual who acted the way I had mentioned. I posted on Naktalk and other forums without mentioning any names, because I did not want any one else losing the way I had. I have no ill feelings with Mr. Ganesh and have moved on and never even comment on anything he says or posts. Bala, please find closure. I have. We all need to have closure and I shall not comment on this matter any more. Happy New Year all! Regards, Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Sun Dec 28 02:59:07 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:59:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <828356.94273.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <828356.94273.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4956DD6B.3010305@verizon.net> Kevin Fetner wrote: >Bala, >Nice note and heartfelt sentiments going into the New Year. Maybe we should even coin the phrase; "You find out who your real >friends are, when you work on their Naks." Nothing good ever comes from a smear campaign, or to accuse someone of 'fraud' on >a member driven forum. Why not? I feel that when someone commits fraud, the fact should be advertised >It's a really big deal when you take possession of someone's Nak. In a real sense, you then become ' >responsible', no mater what the outcome. That takes a certain amount of courage, indeed! I sent an >Aiwa deck to a forum 'friend' (not this forum), almost two yrs ago-I'm still waiting for that deck, >although I think it's been repaired for the most part. However, I bear him no ill will... Why not? He as good as stole your deck. >...just view it as a learning experience never to be repeated. > >I therefore encourage everyone to do the research and then gain the knowledge of what to expect (reasonably) by a repair person. I fully agree. This issue was discussed here before and I'd like to repeat my comments. First, before a tech agrees to repair a deck (whether for pay or pro bono) , he should clearly define expected turnaround time. He should also state the range of expected charges, if any. Once the deck is received and inspected, the tech should communicate his finding and, if necessary, refine his previous estimates. I believe that, had he insisted on these simple principles, Ram's problem wouldn't have occurred. -- Ron >It seems that Naks wind up being a very personal piece of stereo hardware that most become very passionate about.;-) Maybe >even coin another phrase; "Don't touch my Nak!" I had a roomful of very jaded, twenty somethings on Xmas day. I was playing >Christmas music with the repeat function on my RX-505. I noticed one of them eyeballing the machine and pretty soon (without me >saying anything), they noticed the machine flipping the tape. It definitely became the 'darling' of the day', even within the Ipod set. >The sound won them over as well.;-) > >Anyway, glad you came back and your posts are most appreciated! > > >Kevin > > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 00:04:44 -0800 (PST) > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <838567.31109.qm at web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Dear All, > > As the New Year approaches, and we prepare for an unprecendented > year ahead, I would like to wish all friends here a very happy, > healthy and prosperous New Year ahead. > > As we prepare for the difficult times, one of the few things that > help us forget such tough times are music, which our beloved > Nakamichis bring us. My own few years of experience with cassettes has > been an emotional journey which has been filled with joy, > exhiliration, frustration, sadness, excitement and amazement. > > Cassettes have yet to cease being exciting and looking back at past > years, the year ahead is going to be even more exciting. I have always > shared what I know here on Naktalk, and have tried to give back what > Naktalk has given to me. If we look among our equipment and tools, the > most valuable tool has to be Naktalk.It alone has the power to bring > people spread across continents together and help one another. > Undeniably, Naktalk has become more then just a mailing list. > > Over the course of this year, I have had a number of private emails > asking me why I had not shared as much as I had in previous years and > about my sudden absence here in Naktalk. I have always tried to be > helpful as I have acceeded to many people's request for help. One such > request came to me from very far. This particular person had a > troubled deck which was sent for repairs but unfortunately was still > giving problems. I accepted this job for a modest price and the deck > was sent to me. What evnetually transpired was a deck fraught with > mutlple problems and even missing components. > > In the mean time, this person accquired another similar deck of a > special version which again had problems. This time I isolated the > problems via telephone and had him send just the problem cards to me > in order to trim shipping costs and avoid any shipping mishaps. After > repair and heavy testing, the cards were sent back to him. I do > understand that this person waxes lyrical about this deck. I have been > also told that this deck has emerged 'winner' in the recent trial > against the 'Dragonized' ZXL. > > As for his earlier deck, much of the repair had been completed and > this person paid a visit to see the deck playback in person! During > his visit, he even brought additional decks for service. However due > to the nature of the fault, the deck kept failing and within months of > his visit, this person started sending mails and threatening over the > phone. One of his emails eventually showed that he was pressured by > his friend to ask for his deck back. The persons's items were > eventually sent back, and a full refund of his payment was made. > > I had decided not to speak out about this episode as I had made the > mistake of procastinating the shipment of this deck due to personal > reasons. This person however mailed a number of people and attempted > to paint a bad picture of me. Being friends who knew me better, they > started mailing, and even calling me to find out what really > happened. These people have been the reasons why I came back to > Naktalk and have asked me to speak up. A big thank you to all of you - > you know who you are. > > There have been people who have held repair jobs far, far longer > then I had. There have been more malicious and vicious people who have > tried and sometimes failed to spread rumours. While I have spoken very > harshly against a number of members, I bear malice against no one here > as we all have a common pursuit. There are a number of people who > provide service for Naks and what you pay is what you get. This > message is not meant to dig up a problem but to satisfy those who have > repeatedly ask me to speak up as they see an injustice being done. I > have done so although this matter has been laid to rest within me a > long time ago. > > As we go into the new year, there are more things to discover, more > to learn, and more to share. Naktalk continues to be a treasure trove > of knowledge and discovery as it holds many knowledgeable and > experienced people. I contribute where I can although I have never > claimed or aspired to be a leader or a 'know-all'. No matter how high > we are, we still have so much to learn. Let us look beyond op-amps, > tubes, transistors and other smaller things and see the brotherhood > that Naktalk has become. > > Let us all step into 2009 with bigger things in mind . > > Best Regards to Nakkers and their families, > Bala > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sun Dec 28 04:33:11 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:33:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 happy new year to Bala In-Reply-To: <521171.93984.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <653092.78434.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As RAM has mentioned in his respond he does not want to talk about this incident anymore and I strongly believe nobody in this forum want to hear anymore about this unfortunate experience between Bala and Ram. Why don't we just let it go quietly and move on. I believe there is more interesting topic on Naks to talk about than this.   Just my 2 cents and with all respect, Mike --- On Sat, 12/27/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 happy new year to Bala To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 5:57 PM Ram, Far be it for me to take sides in this, but.....in a way, I'm glad you stated your case, but from another perspective, it's really more information than most of us wanted to know. Granted, as the kids say, someone is obviously still 'butt hurt' over the transaction. After hearing both sides, my initial reaction/query would be; why did you feel you had to send your decks clear around the world, with stellar techs right here at home like Andy P, Tom B and Willy H?? Maybe you learned the hard way, or thought some sort of deck trading would be beneficial for all parties concerned? Anyway, it's not enough just to say "I'm not going to mention any names" in this small community, because many here know exactly who you guys are referring to. And if not, it would usually just take a simple email to find out. I hope this can finally be put to rest, because I really value input from both you guys and it would be counterproductive to fellow naktalkers to take sides. I empathize though, because I've had audio repair deals fall through as well, albeit on a smaller scale. This restoration process is 'twitchy' to say the least, because so few people are involved in it on a full time basis like Jeff at ESL-not to mention unobtanium parts. In hindsight, with what you paid, it would have been cheaper to go with Jeff. It sounds like your financial constraints are much different than mine, but that doesn't mean Nak repair should ever become 'cost is no object'. Heaven help most of us if it comes to that someday for us Nak enthusiasts-like the full restoration prices of commercial Studer R2R decks! Kevin Dear fellow Naktalkers,  I thought we had put this unfortunate incident to rest once and for all, but I see some hurt still. Therefore, this response of mine to let everyone know what actually went on between Bala Ganesh and I. It was I who had sent the deck(1000ZXL) to Bala Ganesh in 2007 from the USA and was assured of a reasonable time to repair the said deck with all its isssues. I trusted him and even sent my Limited PB and record boards to him for cap replacements, which he did very expeditiously and I paid him immediately for the same via paypal upon his request. I thanked him profusely for that and decided to make a trip to Singapore to visit this "genius" Nak talker. Prior to my reaching Singapore, Mr. Ganesh had requested from me a $3000 loan for some business purpose of his. I politely refused this but still visited him not letting this request pollute me. I socialized with him and his wonderful baby boy and his very decent wife and spent two whole days with them in October 2007 and I was made to audition a deck, which was presumably mine. At this time I had hand carried my ailing 700ZXL also and told him to take his time on that one after the 1000ZXL repair was complete. Once I returned from Singapore to the USA, we kept in constant touch and in November 2007, I was once again approached by Mr. Ganesh for a $30,000 credit letter from my company for his business interests, which again, I refused. I was slowly feeling something was not right, but still kept in touch almost daily. Fast forward to February and   I ended up sending my 680ZX and another 1000ZXL to ESL and he happened to hear this and threw a heavy tantrum to me and I firmly told him at the time to stop effusing anger at me and that I haver the right to send my decks anywhere. He calmed down and said that the 1000ZLX will be done soon. In early March 2008, I was told that the Dragon Transport was in the 1000ZXL and all was fine except a logic issue. At this point I asked him if its even worth fixing this deck or just junking it. He again got upset at me for asking that and I kept quiet. I had at this  point started getting tired of his tantrums and told him so. Around this time another Naktalker( I shall not mention any ones name here) emailed me stating he had paid Mr. Ganesh for some rabbit ears for his 680 decks  a while ago( over 9-10 months) and had never got the item nor any emails from him.  He warned me that I may never get my decks back and soon others ( again no names please) wrote to me indicating some impropriety with Mr. Ganesh. I started perceiving the same. In another call in March 2008, I requested my decks back( 3 of them, a 1000ZXL, a 700ZXL and a Revox B215 which I had bought for Mr. Ganesh as part of his fee for fixing the ZXLs and had it shipped to him at $275 cost. He had by this time cut off his home phone line and stopped answering his cell phone for a week straight. He did not make any effort to ship my decks and he had my FEDEX account number too! Then around early April 2008 I reached him on his cell and gave him a dead line to return my 3 decks at my cost and that I shall have them packed and picked up from his home at my cost, failing which I would approach the Singapore Consul in New York and start a formal complaint for holding my property and not returning it at my repeated requests. I had the decks picked up by my contacts in Singapore and packed and shipped to me! He returned all 3 decks and when they arrived, the 1000ZXL was as it was sent. The Dragon transport was untouched and the 700ZXL box was unopened. He claimed he undid the Dragon transport on the ZXL and all other repairs to it! I saw that he had replaced all caps on the PB board and nothing else was done. In fact, he had even gone to extent of unwinding some of the hard wires on the power supply board of the deck, so it shorted.  Willy Herman has had  this deck now and can attest to how he received this deck from me! This PB board when inserted into my other ZLX would not even calibrate or play properly. I then emailed him to return the monies paid to him for the 1000ZXL repair and he did so in July 2008.He even refunded the money he charged for the Limited's PB/Rec board caps. Any Pena took up the restoration of the 700 ZLX and expedited it in a month and so did Willy Herman the 1000ZXL. I incurred shipping costs of over $1000 ( perhaps more)for the decks I shipped back and forth  to Mr. Ganesh in Singapore , which I am out regardless. That was a high price to pay for cap replacements to the Limited's board! I learned the hard way not to be penny wise and pound foolish! I had been had! I never emailed anyone voluntarily. I  responded to people who sent me private emails asking if it was this individual who acted the way I had mentioned. I posted on Naktalk and other forums without mentioning any names, because I did not want any one else losing the way I had. I have no ill feelings with Mr. Ganesh and have moved on and never even comment on anything he says or posts. Bala, please find closure. I have. We all need to have closure and I shall not comment on this matter any more. Happy New Year all! 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URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 17:09:50 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:09:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <200812281101.mBSB0jEI001844@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <144130.17906.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message: 11 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:59:07 -0500 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <4956DD6B.3010305 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Kevin Fetner wrote: >Bala, >Nice note and heartfelt sentiments going into the New Year.  Maybe we should even coin the phrase; "You find out who your real >friends are, when you work on their Naks."  Nothing good ever comes from a smear campaign, or to accuse someone of 'fraud' on >a member driven forum. Why not? I feel that when someone commits fraud, the fact should be advertised (I guess because there are always two sides to a story and I'd like to hear both sides to decide myself. 'Fraud' is an ugly word that implies someone deliberately trying to cheat someone else with premeditation and this is not always the case.) >It's a really big deal when you take possession of someone's Nak. In a real sense, you then become ' >responsible', no mater what the outcome. That takes a certain amount of courage, indeed! I sent an >Aiwa deck to a forum 'friend' (not this forum), almost two yrs ago-I'm still waiting for that deck, >although I think it's been repaired for the most part. However, I bear him no ill will... Why not? He as good as stole your deck. (No, he has an incredible amount of work in his basement and he's not realistic on how long it takes to devote to his 'hobby'. Plus the fact he has health issues. His credentials are flawless-his judgment seriously wanting.) >...just view it as a learning experience never to be repeated. > >I therefore encourage everyone to do the research and then gain the knowledge of what to expect (reasonably) by a repair person. I fully agree. This issue was discussed here before and I'd like to repeat my comments. First, before a tech agrees to repair a deck (whether for pay or pro bono) , he should clearly define expected turnaround time. He should also state the range of expected charges, if any. Once the deck is received and inspected, the tech should communicate his finding and, if necessary, refine his previous estimates. (I totally agree, but back to my original point; this is a hobby for some techs who have full time jobs and/or are retired. Clearly, life off the bench is more interesting to them and/or other demands pull them away from their repair work. Some really good techs have some really good intentions, but repairs/restorations don't always work out for the best and in a timely fashion.) I believe that, had he insisted on these simple principles, Ram's problem wouldn't have occurred. (But then you have techs like Willy H or Andy P who refuse to get buried in decks to the point where they can't offer timely service. It all boils down to a realistic outlook on what you can actually do on a bench in a given amount of time.)  Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 17:26:48 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:26:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 happy new year to Bala In-Reply-To: <200812281101.mBSB0jEI001844@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <284732.28926.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Mike, When two completely opposing views are posted on a private forum, they invite response. Any of us that have had restorations done, empathize and sympathize with what was said here by both parties. You can feel the pain (and innuendo jabs) on both sides. However, there are lessons and morals to be learned from the two stories here and most of us 'get it'. I don't think less of either party, but on the other hand, I thank God I wasn't involved in that particular transaction.;-)  In a way, we have a first hand accounting of the pitfalls (for both parties involved), inherent in many contracted restorations. But agreed, let's hopefully move on..... Kevin Message: 12 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:33:11 -0800 (PST) From: LENA WONG Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 happy new year to Bala To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <653092.78434.qm at web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As RAM has mentioned in his respond he does not want to talk about this incident anymore and I strongly believe nobody in this forum want to hear anymore about this unfortunate experience between Bala and Ram. Why don't we just let it go quietly and move on. I believe there is more interesting topic on Naks to talk about than this.   Just my 2 cents and with all respect, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sun Dec 28 21:16:31 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:16:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL versus 700ZXL In-Reply-To: <134833.42776.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <865255.95429.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Kevin, The 700zxl is for the crazy audio enthusiast who needs the best in their home to make a statement (I have two and it says that I am a Luddite and my house is too small - they are huge). Nakamichi says it is a prime choice "for the truly discerning cassette recordist devoted to aesthetic as well as aural quality." My Nak brochure also says the main difference with the 1000zxl is that the A.B.L.E. system in the 700zxl requires manual setting of the basic tape type used. Otherwise it has the same head system and basic A.B.L.E and RAMM systems. It also seems less crammed in internally than the 1000zxl which I think is a plus. Willy has worked on a lot of these now and should know what the unadvertised differences are. I've had absolutely no problem after he has serviced mine. They seem to hold up very well (admittedly based on my small sample of two). David From gamve at ozemail.com.au Mon Dec 29 01:57:43 2008 From: gamve at ozemail.com.au (gamve at ozemail.com.au) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:57:43 +0900 Subject: [naktalk] Need advice with 700 tri tracer Message-ID: <1123.1230512263@ozemail.com.au> Hi Guys, Have been a lurker on this forum for a while now and found it very helpful. I have a question regarding a 700 tri tracer. The deck is in good nick and plays/records fine. The problem is that it hates Maxell UDXLII tapes. It for some reason chews them along the edge. The deck only does this with these maxell tapes, all others including maxell LN tapes are no problem. The tape guide looks a bit suspect but I don't know what it is supposed to look like as I only have a 1000 tri tracer to compare it to and they are different. Can anyone advise me to what could possibly be going on with this. Thanks in advance, cheers G From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Dec 29 02:44:15 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:44:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <144130.17906.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <144130.17906.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49582B6F.4050903@verizon.net> Kevin Fetner wrote: > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:59:07 -0500 > From: Ron > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <4956DD6B.3010305 at verizon.net > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Kevin Fetner wrote: > > >Bala, > > >Nice note and heartfelt sentiments going into the New Year. Maybe we > should even coin the phrase; "You find out who your real >friends are, > when you work on their Naks." Nothing good ever comes from a smear > campaign, or to accuse someone of 'fraud' on >a member driven forum. > > Why not? I feel that when someone commits fraud, the fact > should be advertised > /(I guess because there are always two sides to a story and I'd like > to hear both sides to decide myself. 'Fraud' is an ugly word that > implies someone deliberately trying to cheat someone else with > premeditation and this is not always the case.)/ > Agreed. But the other side had a chance to communicate with the deck owner and now has a chance to communicate with the list readership. Since he refrains, we must accept the complaint at face value. > > > >It's a really big deal when you take possession of someone's Nak. In a > real sense, you then become ' > >responsible', no mater what the outcome. That takes a certain amount > of courage, indeed! I sent an > >Aiwa deck to a forum 'friend' (not this forum), almost two yrs ago-I'm > still waiting for that deck, > >although I think it's been repaired for the most part. However, I bear > him no ill will... > > Why not? He as good as stole your deck. > /(No, he has an incredible amount of work in his basement and he's not > realistic on how long it takes to devote to his 'hobby'. Plus the fact > he has health issues. His credentials are flawless-his judgment > seriously wanting.)/ > Well, I understood that after two years you still haven't received your deck back, and assumed that you were not given adequate explanation as to why. Of course, if he did explained and you did agreed to the delay, then this whole thing is a non issue. > > > >...just view it as a learning experience never to be repeated. > > > > >I therefore encourage everyone to do the research and then gain the > knowledge of what to expect (reasonably) by a repair person. > > I fully agree. This issue was discussed here before and I'd like to > repeat my comments. First, before a tech agrees to repair a deck > (whether for pay or pro bono) , he should clearly define expected > turnaround time. He should also state the range of expected > charges, if any. Once the deck is received and inspected, the tech > should communicate his finding and, if necessary, refine his previous > estimates. > /(I totally agree, but back to my original point; this is a hobby for > some techs who have full time jobs and/or are retired. Clearly, life > off the bench is more interesting to them and/or other demands pull > them away from their repair work. Some really good techs have some > really good intentions, but repairs/restorations don't always work out > for the best and in a timely fashion.)/ > Well, I am in the same boat as your friend -- I, too, fix stuff as a hobby. I make sure this is clearly understood up front and keep the owner informed. I recently worked on a Heathkit 'scope -- this was a major job, took over 10 hours of labour. The owner agreed to an open end deal (it takes as long as it takes) and got his 'scope back in just over two months, in perfect working order and fully calibrated. I cannot imagine what kind of deck repair would take two years, unless the unit sits in a box and nothing is done to it. Again: if you were properly informed and consented, then there is no problem. Otherwise, it's (here's that ugly word again) a fraud. > > I believe that, had he insisted on these simple principles, Ram's > problem wouldn't have occurred. > /(But then you have techs like Willy H or Andy P who refuse to get > buried in decks to the point where they can't offer timely service. It > all boils down to a realistic outlook on what you can actually do on a > bench in a given amount of time.)/ > Agreed, but it's also more than that. It all boils down to candid communication with the owner. -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Dec 29 12:01:48 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:01:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] More on the 1000ZXL: Auto azimuth problem Message-ID: <007B3A8F-0337-44F0-AF57-CF4B00647B3F@peromarta.org> Dear all. The 1000ZXL was about ready, all fully calibrated, and giving a FLAT 20-20KHz response. Amazing. Suddenly, the auto-azimuth has started to fail. If you try to auo az. it starts and stops in a tenth of a sec. Before I start troubleshooting, is this a known fault or issue? Thanks again, and best wishes for the coming 2009 to all. Best rds, LP. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 05:15:57 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:15:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <828356.94273.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <294086.53200.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kevin, You are certainly right - I did find out who my friends were when I started working on their Naks! I have to say that there are also wonderful people here whom were patient and very understanding. Being a Nakker, I do understand how personal Naks can be - Aiwas and Teacs don't seem to have that kind of an attachment. People treat Naktalk in various ways - some see it as a save-my-nak helpdesk. Some see it as a forum to show their tech prowess and so on. But many people fail to understand that Naktalk is not just another forum, but a special place that brings together people from very diverse cultures and distant lands. I am sure some of them would definitely be curious about cassettes now! Best Regards Bala Kevin Fetner wrote: Bala, Nice note and heartfelt sentiments going into the New Year. Maybe we should even coin the phrase; "You find out who your real friends are, when you work on their Naks." Nothing good ever comes from a smear campaign, or to accuse someone of 'fraud' on a member driven forum. It's a really big deal when you take possession of someone's Nak. In a real sense, you then become 'responsible', no mater what the outcome. That takes a certain amount of courage, indeed! I sent an Aiwa deck to a forum 'friend' (not this forum), almost two yrs ago-I'm still waiting for that deck, although I think it's been repaired for the most part. However, I bear him no ill will, just view it as a learning experience never to be repeated. I therefore encourage everyone to do the research and then gain the knowledge of what to expect (reasonably) by a repair person. It seems that Naks wind up being a very personal piece of stereo hardware that most become very passionate about.;-) Maybe even coin another phrase; "Don't touch my Nak!" I had a roomful of very jaded, twenty somethings on Xmas day. I was playing Christmas music with the repeat function on my RX-505. I noticed one of them eyeballing the machine and pretty soon (without me saying anything), they noticed the machine flipping the tape. It definitely became the 'darling' of the day', even within the Ipod set. The sound won them over as well.;-) Anyway, glad you came back and your posts are most appreciated! Kevin Message: 4 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 00:04:44 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <838567.31109.qm at web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear All, As the New Year approaches, and we prepare for an unprecendented year ahead, I would like to wish all friends here a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year ahead. As we prepare for the difficult times, one of the few things that help us forget such tough times are music, which our beloved Nakamichis bring us. My own few years of experience with cassettes has been an emotional journey which has been filled with joy, exhiliration, frustration, sadness, excitement and amazement. Cassettes have yet to cease being exciting and looking back at past years, the year ahead is going to be even more exciting. I have always shared what I know here on Naktalk, and have tried to give back what Naktalk has given to me. If we look among our equipment and tools, the most valuable tool has to be Naktalk.It alone has the power to bring people spread across continents together and help one another. Undeniably, Naktalk has become more then just a mailing list. Over the course of this year, I have had a number of private emails asking me why I had not shared as much as I had in previous years and about my sudden absence here in Naktalk. I have always tried to be helpful as I have acceeded to many people's request for help. One such request came to me from very far. This particular person had a troubled deck which was sent for repairs but unfortunately was still giving problems. I accepted this job for a modest price and the deck was sent to me. What evnetually transpired was a deck fraught with mutlple problems and even missing components. In the mean time, this person accquired another similar deck of a special version which again had problems. This time I isolated the problems via telephone and had him send just the problem cards to me in order to trim shipping costs and avoid any shipping mishaps. After repair and heavy testing, the cards were sent back to him. I do understand that this person waxes lyrical about this deck. I have been also told that this deck has emerged 'winner' in the recent trial against the 'Dragonized' ZXL. As for his earlier deck, much of the repair had been completed and this person paid a visit to see the deck playback in person! During his visit, he even brought additional decks for service. However due to the nature of the fault, the deck kept failing and within months of his visit, this person started sending mails and threatening over the phone. One of his emails eventually showed that he was pressured by his friend to ask for his deck back. The persons's items were eventually sent back, and a full refund of his payment was made. I had decided not to speak out about this episode as I had made the mistake of procastinating the shipment of this deck due to personal reasons. This person however mailed a number of people and attempted to paint a bad picture of me. Being friends who knew me better, they started mailing, and even calling me to find out what really happened. These people have been the reasons why I came back to Naktalk and have asked me to speak up. A big thank you to all of you - you know who you are. There have been people who have held repair jobs far, far longer then I had. There have been more malicious and vicious people who have tried and sometimes failed to spread rumours. While I have spoken very harshly against a number of members, I bear malice against no one here as we all have a common pursuit. There are a number of people who provide service for Naks and what you pay is what you get. This message is not meant to dig up a problem but to satisfy those who have repeatedly ask me to speak up as they see an injustice being done. I have done so although this matter has been laid to rest within me a long time ago. As we go into the new year, there are more things to discover, more to learn, and more to share. Naktalk continues to be a treasure trove of knowledge and discovery as it holds many knowledgeable and experienced people. I contribute where I can although I have never claimed or aspired to be a leader or a 'know-all'. No matter how high we are, we still have so much to learn. Let us look beyond op-amps, tubes, transistors and other smaller things and see the brotherhood that Naktalk has become. Let us all step into 2009 with bigger things in mind . Best Regards to Nakkers and their families, Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 05:37:49 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:37:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL versus 700ZXL In-Reply-To: <134833.42776.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <91422.68096.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kevin, There has been quite a bit said about this deck, but it's always good because the brochures do sound a little vague. The 1000ZXL and 700ZXL are quite different although they seem to spec out almost the same. The 700ZXL shares the same playback/Dolby board and a similar RAMM system with the 1000ZXL. Much of the transport related logic and auto-azimuth circuits are also similar though the circuity has been rather crammed into a smaller boards. One of the key difference is that that the ABLE system is very different from the the 1000ZXL. It isn't controlled by a micro-processor (although all available literature suggests that it does) but uses sequential logic made up of multiple logic circuits. The good news is that this is fixable as parts are plentiful. The bad news is that it can be a pain to troubleshoot! The auto-calibration uses only two frequencies 400Hz for level and 15kHz for the bias adjustment. A third frequency (7kHz) is used to linearize the EQ. This differs greatly from the 1000ZXL's ABLE computer which does use a micro-processor, and uses 4 different frequencies for a true calibration irregardless of tape type inserted. The 1000ZXL, in my opinion, is a more through system that features a micro-processor. The processor, is a 4-bit PMOS model that has seen widespread use in some of the best cassette decks made during the late 70s and early 80s. This include the Aiwa F series (990, 880, 660 etc) and Aiwa 6700, 6900 and 6900II. Sound wise, these two decks differ quite a bit. The 1000ZXL has a more bigger sound, with deep and wide soundstage. The bass is more deeper, perhaps thanks to its more generous power supplies. The 700ZXL sounds slightly closed in, and the bass is not as refined as it's bigger cousin. It does however have equally sweet highs and capable of bringing out the best out of pre-recorded tapes if azimuth is in sync, as with the 1000ZXL. With the amount of engineering differences, Nakamichi seems to have cut lots of cost, though this also results in differences in sound quality. The 700ZXL is however very close up there to the 1000ZXL. They however, don't seem to be build for longevity and chassis stiffness leaves much to be desired. One thing I would love is to have LP's LED upgrade kit for the control compartment illumination! Rgds, Bala Kevin Fetner wrote: I'm not seeing a lot of significant differences in the published specs/features for the 1000ZXL and the 700ZXL. What are some of the major/minor electronic differences (if any)? I remember originally, that the 700 series were made in an effort to be more 'affordable' than the 1000 series. But after they evolved into the ZXL line, I'm clueless. Kevin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 06:10:01 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:10:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <914678.82317.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47048.92342.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Happy New Year to you and your family Jayson. Rgds, Bala jayson levitz wrote: Bala, Well said. I have learned a lot myself since joining Naktalk last Feb. Happy New Year to you too and everyone else on Naktalk. Jayson --- On Fri, 12/26/08, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 3:04 AM Dear All, As the New Year approaches, and we prepare for an unprecendented year ahead, I would like to wish all friends here a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year ahead. As we prepare for the difficult times, one of the few things that help us forget such tough times are music, which our beloved Nakamichis bring us. My own few years of experience with cassettes has been an emotional journey which has been filled with joy, exhiliration, frustration, sadness, excitement and amazement. Cassettes have yet to cease being exciting and looking back at past years, the year ahead is going to be even more exciting. I have always shared what I know here on Naktalk, and have tried to give back what Naktalk has given to me. If we look among our equipment and tools, the most valuable tool has to be Naktalk.It alone has the power to bring people spread across continents together and help one another. Undeniably, Naktalk has become more then just a mailing list. Over the course of this year, I have had a number of private emails asking me why I had not shared as much as I had in previous years and about my sudden absence here in Naktalk. I have always tried to be helpful as I have acceeded to many people's request for help. One such request came to me from very far. This particular person had a troubled deck which was sent for repairs but unfortunately was still giving problems. I accepted this job for a modest price and the deck was sent to me. What evnetually transpired was a deck fraught with mutlple problems and even missing components. In the mean time, this person accquired another similar deck of a special version which again had problems. This time I isolated the problems via telephone and had him send just the problem cards to me in order to trim shipping costs and avoid any shipping mishaps. After repair and heavy testing, the cards were sent back to him. I do understand that this person waxes lyrical about this deck. I have been also told that this deck has emerged 'winner' in the recent trial against the 'Dragonized' ZXL. As for his earlier deck, much of the repair had been completed and this person paid a visit to see the deck playback in person! During his visit, he even brought additional decks for service. However due to the nature of the fault, the deck kept failing and within months of his visit, this person started sending mails and threatening over the phone. One of his emails eventually showed that he was pressured by his friend to ask for his deck back. The persons's items were eventually sent back, and a full refund of his payment was made. I had decided not to speak out about this episode as I had made the mistake of procastinating the shipment of this deck due to personal reasons. This person however mailed a number of people and attempted to paint a bad picture of me. Being friends who knew me better, they started mailing, and even calling me to find out what really happened. These people have been the reasons why I came back to Naktalk and have asked me to speak up. A big thank you to all of you - you know who you are. There have been people who have held repair jobs far, far longer then I had. There have been more malicious and vicious people who have tried and sometimes failed to spread rumours. While I have spoken very harshly against a number of members, I bear malice against no one here as we all have a common pursuit. There are a number of people who provide service for Naks and what you pay is what you get. This message is not meant to dig up a problem but to satisfy those who have repeatedly ask me to speak up as they see an injustice being done. I have done so although this matter has been laid to rest within me a long time ago. As we go into the new year, there are more things to discover, more to learn, and more to share. Naktalk continues to be a treasure trove of knowledge and discovery as it holds many knowledgeable and experienced people. I contribute where I can although I have never claimed or aspired to be a leader or a 'know-all'. No matter how high we are, we still have so much to learn. Let us look beyond op-amps, tubes, transistors and other smaller things and see the brotherhood that Naktalk has become. Let us all step into 2009 with bigger things in mind . 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URL: From k2006w at gmx.de Mon Dec 29 06:17:53 2008 From: k2006w at gmx.de (Karsten Windt) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:17:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Pitch control ZX-7 Message-ID: <00EE6028-5858-4005-86CF-7384C878D4D3@gmx.de> Hello, could perhaps anyone help me where to find the pitch control potentiometer for my ZX-7? Could not find the right spot inside. It's running slightly too fast, and I'd like to digitalize some tapes before selling it. I'm a musician, and these are old tapes I recorded myself. Thanks a lot! From benstratford at aol.co.uk Mon Dec 29 10:31:22 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:31:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <838567.31109.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB37AF587DA6BA-1650-121F@MBLK-M19.sysops.aol.com> Bala, I am very pleased to read your contributions and that you continue to assist fellow Nak talkers.? I do however find it very difficult to understand your lack of response to my request for information on the refund for my end plates order made in July 2007 - $260 paid and nothing in return.? You promised a refund but nothing has materialised, why? As you know, I have not posted anything derogatory about you as I insist that your help is invaluable to us.? Your reasons are your own.? You will recall my request to donate the money to a charity of your choice that you again refused to do for your very good reasons.? Do you now have anything to say? Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 8:04 Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 Dear All, ? As the New Year?approaches, and we prepare for an unprecendented year ahead, I would like to wish all friends here a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year ahead. ? As we prepare for the difficult times, one of the few things that help us forget such tough times are music, which our beloved Nakamichis bring us. My own few years of experience with cassettes has been an emotional journey which has been filled with joy, exhiliration, frustration, sadness, excitement and amazement. ? Cassettes have yet to?cease being exciting?and?looking back at past years, the year ahead is going to be even more exciting. I have always shared what I know here on Naktalk, and have tried to give back what Naktalk has given to me. If we look among our equipment and tools, the most valuable tool has to be Naktalk.It alone has the power to bring people spread across continents together and help one another. Undeniably, Naktalk has become more then just a mailing list. ? Over the course of this year, I have had a number of private emails asking me why I had not shared as much as I had in previous years and about my sudden absence here in Naktalk. I have always tried to be helpful as I have acceeded to many people's request for help. One such request came to me from very far. This particular person had a troubled deck which was sent for repairs but unfortunately was still giving problems. I accepted this job for a modest price and the deck was sent to me. What evnetually transpired was a deck fraught with mutlple problems and even missing components.? ? In the mean time, this person accquired another similar deck of a special version which again had problems. This time I isolated the problems via telephone and had him send just?the?problem cards to me in order to trim shipping costs and avoid any shipping?mishaps. ?After repair and heavy testing, the cards were sent back to him. I do understand that this person waxes lyrical about this deck. I have been also told that?this deck has emerged?'winner' in the recent trial against the 'Dragonized' ZXL. ? ? As for his earlier deck, much of the repair had been completed and this person paid a visit to see the deck playback in person! During his visit, he even brought additional decks for service. However due to the nature of the fault, the deck kept failing and within months of his visit, ?this person started sending mails and threatening over the phone. One of his emails eventually showed that he was pressured by his friend to ask for his deck back. The?persons's items?were eventually sent back, and a full refund of his payment was made. ? I had decided not to speak out about this episode as I had made the mistake of procastinating the shipment of this deck due to personal reasons. This person however mailed a number of people and attempted to paint a bad picture of me.?Being friends who knew me better, they started mailing, and even calling me to find out what really happened. ?These people have been the reasons why I came back to Naktalk and have asked me to speak up. A big thank you to all?of you?- you know who you are. ? There have been people who have held repair jobs far, far longer then I had. There have been more malicious and vicious people who have tried and sometimes failed to spread rumours. While I have spoken very harshly against a number of members, I?bear malice against no one here as we all have a common pursuit. There are a number of people who provide? service for Naks and what you pay is what you get. This message is not meant to dig up a problem but to satisfy those who have repeatedly ask me to speak up as they see an injustice being done. I have done so although this matter has been laid to rest within me a long time ago. ? ? As we go into the new year, there are more things to discover, more to learn, and more to share. Naktalk continues to be a treasure trove of knowledge and discovery as it holds many knowledgeable and experienced people. I contribute where I can although I have never claimed or aspired to be a leader or a 'know-all'. No matter how high we are, we still have so much to learn. Let us look beyond op-amps, tubes, transistors and other smaller things and see the brotherhood that Naktalk has become. ? Let us all step into 2009 with bigger things in mind . ? Best Regards to Nakkers and their families, Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rstern753 at juno.com Mon Dec 29 15:02:28 2008 From: rstern753 at juno.com (rstern753 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:02:28 GMT Subject: [naktalk] removing front of CR-1A Message-ID: <20081229.070228.1789.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> I'm trying to follow the Sankyo control motor cleaning procedure for my CR-1A. To remove the transport out the front, it's obvious that I need to remove the front panals of the deck. I was able to remove the outer front panel fairly easily. How do I remove the inner front panel? It's held in by the tabs extending from the side walls of the chassis. It needs to be lowered to clear those tabs, but I can't seem to lower it while the transport is in place. Help please. Thanks, Richard ____________________________________________________________ Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1131/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Dec 29 16:05:50 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:05:50 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 Message-ID: In a message dated 12/29/2008 9:59:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Hi Kevin, You are certainly right - I did find out who my friends were when I started working on their Naks! I have to say that there are also wonderful people here whom were patient and very understanding. Being a Nakker, I do understand how personal Naks can be - Aiwas and Teacs don't seem to have that kind of an attachment. People treat Naktalk in various ways - some see it as a save-my-nak helpdesk. Some see it as a forum to show their tech prowess and so on. But many people fail to understand that Naktalk is not just another forum, but a special place that brings together people from very diverse cultures and distant lands. I am sure some of them would definitely be curious about cassettes now! Best Regards Bala Kevin Fetner wrote: Bala, Nice note and heartfelt sentiments going into the New Year. Maybe we should even coin the phrase; "You find out who your real friends are, when you work on their Naks." Nothing good ever comes from a smear campaign, or to accuse someone of 'fraud' on a member driven forum. It's a really big deal when you take possession of someone's Nak. In a real sense, you then become 'responsible', no mater what the outcome. That takes a certain amount of courage, indeed! I sent an Aiwa deck to a forum 'friend' (not this forum), almost two yrs ago-I'm still waiting for that deck, although I think it's been repaired for the most part. However, I bear him no ill will, just view it as a learning experience never to be repeated. I therefore encourage everyone to do the research and then gain the knowledge of what to expect (reasonably) by a repair person. It seems that Naks wind up being a very personal piece of stereo hardware that most become very passionate about.;-) Maybe even coin another phrase; "Don't touch my Nak!" I had a roomful of very jaded, twenty somethings on Xmas day. I was playing Christmas music with the repeat function on my RX-505. I noticed one of them eyeballing the machine and pretty soon (without me saying anything), they noticed the machine flipping the tape. It definitely became the 'darling' of the day', even within the Ipod set. The sound won them over as well.;-) Anyway, glad you came back and your posts are most appreciated! Kevin Message: 4 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 00:04:44 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <_bg3009 at yahoo.com_ (http://us.mc656.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bg3009 at yahoo.com) > Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <_naktalk at naks.com_ (http://us.mc656.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=naktalk at naks.com) > Message-ID: <_838567.31109.qm at web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com_ (http://us.mc656.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=838567.31109.qm at web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com) > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear All, As the New Year approaches, and we prepare for an unprecendented year ahead, I would like to wish all friends here a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year ahead. As we prepare for the difficult times, one of the few things that help us forget such tough times are music, which our beloved Nakamichis bring us. My own few years of experience with cassettes has been an emotional journey which has been filled with joy, exhiliration, frustration, sadness, excitement and amazement. Cassettes have yet to cease being exciting and looking back at past years, the year ahead is going to be even more exciting. I have always shared what I know here on Naktalk, and have tried to give back what Naktalk has given to me. If we look among our equipment and tools, the most valuable tool has to be Naktalk.It alone has the power to bring people spread across continents together and help one another. Undeniably, Naktalk has become more then just a mailing list. Over the course of this year, I have had a number of private emails asking me why I had not shared as much as I had in previous years and about my sudden absence here in Naktalk. I have always tried to be helpful as I have acceeded to many people's request for help. One such request came to me from very far. This particular person had a troubled deck which was sent for repairs but unfortunately was still giving problems. I accepted this job for a modest price and the deck was sent to me. What evnetually transpired was a deck fraught with mutlple problems and even missing components. In the mean time, this person accquired another similar deck of a special version which again had problems. This time I isolated the problems via telephone and had him send just the problem cards to me in order to trim shipping costs and avoid any shipping mishaps. After repair and heavy testing, the cards were sent back to him. I do understand that this person waxes lyrical about this deck. I have been also told that this deck has emerged 'winner' in the recent trial against the 'Dragonized' ZXL. As for his earlier deck, much of the repair had been completed and this person paid a visit to see the deck playback in person! During his visit, he even brought additional decks for service. However due to the nature of the fault, the deck kept failing and within months of his visit, this person started sending mails and threatening over the phone. One of his emails eventually showed that he was pressured by his friend to ask for his deck back. The persons's items were eventually sent back, and a full refund of his payment was made. I had decided not to speak out about this episode as I had made the mistake of procastinating the shipment of this deck due to personal reasons. This person however mailed a number of people and attempted to paint a bad picture of me. Being friends who knew me better, they started mailing, and even calling me to find out what really happened. These people have been the reasons why I came back to Naktalk and have asked me to speak up. A big thank you to all of you - you know who you are. There have been people who have held repair jobs far, far longer then I had. There have been more malicious and vicious people who have tried and sometimes failed to spread rumours. While I have spoken very harshly against a number of members, I bear malice against no one here as we all have a common pursuit. There are a number of people who provide service for Naks and what you pay is what you get. This message is not meant to dig up a problem but to satisfy those who have repeatedly ask me to speak up as they see an injustice being done. I have done so although this matter has been laid to rest within me a long time ago. As we go into the new year, there are more things to discover, more to learn, and more to share. Naktalk continues to be a treasure trove of knowledge and discovery as it holds many knowledgeable and experienced people. I contribute where I can although I have never claimed or aspired to be a leader or a 'know-all'. No matter how high we are, we still have so much to learn. Let us look beyond op-amps, tubes, transistors and other smaller things and see the brotherhood that Naktalk has become. Let us all step into 2009 with bigger things in mind . Best Regards to Nakkers and their families, Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. 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The segements do light up from -30dB to -5dB in both channel these segements works well and appear to register the signal correctly. I have checked all transistors and caps even replaced the 330uf electrolytic cap on the meter indication PCB even every single resistor on this board as been checked all test ok! I am suspection IC 301, 302 which has number MLS 9350RS written on both of these ICs the manual describe it has Meter Level Control IC responsible among other thing as acting as LED driver. I am having a hard time finding a place that have this IC due to have any suggestion where I c oan buy this IC?! and wether these IC are the culpirt or something else to look for before condemning them, I did desolder each of them and switched them causing making the problem worse! then switching them back brought back to the original state of affair. Your kind help and advice will be appreciated. Thanks! Ali In a message dated 12/29/2008 9:59:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bg3009 at yahoo.com writes: Hi Kevin, You are certainly right - I did find out who my friends were when I started working on their Naks! I have to say that there are also wonderful people here whom were patient and very understanding. Being a Nakker, I do understand how personal Naks can be - Aiwas and Teacs don't seem to have that kind of an attachment. People treat Naktalk in various ways - some see it as a save-my-nak helpdesk. Some see it as a forum to show their tech prowess and so on. But many people fail to understand that Naktalk is not just another forum, but a special place that brings together people from very diverse cultures and distant lands. I am sure some of them would definitely be curious about cassettes now! Best Regards Bala Kevin Fetner wrote: Bala, Nice note and heartfelt sentiments going into the New Year. Maybe we should even coin the phrase; "You find out who your real friends are, when you work on their Naks." Nothing good ever comes from a smear campaign, or to accuse someone of 'fraud' on a member driven forum. It's a really big deal when you take possession of someone's Nak. In a real sense, you then become 'responsible', no mater what the outcome. That takes a certain amount of courage, indeed! I sent an Aiwa deck to a forum 'friend' (not this forum), almost two yrs ago-I'm still waiting for that deck, although I think it's been repaired for the most part. However, I bear him no ill will, just view it as a learning experience never to be repeated. I therefore encourage everyone to do the research and then gain the knowledge of what to expect (reasonably) by a repair person. It seems that Naks wind up being a very personal piece of stereo hardware that most become very passionate about.;-) Maybe even coin another phrase; "Don't touch my Nak!" I had a roomful of very jaded, twenty somethings on Xmas day. I was playing Christmas music with the repeat function on my RX-505. I noticed one of them eyeballing the machine and pretty soon (without me saying anything), they noticed the machine flipping the tape. It definitely became the 'darling' of the day', even within the Ipod set. The sound won them over as well.;-) Anyway, glad you came back and your posts are most appreciated! Kevin Message: 4 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 00:04:44 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra <_bg3009 at yahoo.com_ (http://us.mc656.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bg3009 at yahoo.com) > Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks <_naktalk at naks.com_ (http://us.mc656.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=naktalk at naks.com) > Message-ID: <_838567.31109.qm at web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com_ (http://us.mc656.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=838567.31109.qm at web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com) > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear All, As the New Year approaches, and we prepare for an unprecendented year ahead, I would like to wish all friends here a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year ahead. As we prepare for the difficult times, one of the few things that help us forget such tough times are music, which our beloved Nakamichis bring us. My own few years of experience with cassettes has been an emotional journey which has been filled with joy, exhiliration, frustration, sadness, excitement and amazement. Cassettes have yet to cease being exciting and looking back at past years, the year ahead is going to be even more exciting. I have always shared what I know here on Naktalk, and have tried to give back what Naktalk has given to me. If we look among our equipment and tools, the most valuable tool has to be Naktalk.It alone has the power to bring people spread across continents together and help one another. Undeniably, Naktalk has become more then just a mailing list. Over the course of this year, I have had a number of private emails asking me why I had not shared as much as I had in previous years and about my sudden absence here in Naktalk. I have always tried to be helpful as I have acceeded to many people's request for help. One such request came to me from very far. This particular person had a troubled deck which was sent for repairs but unfortunately was still giving problems. I accepted this job for a modest price and the deck was sent to me. What evnetually transpired was a deck fraught with mutlple problems and even missing components. In the mean time, this person accquired another similar deck of a special version which again had problems. This time I isolated the problems via telephone and had him send just the problem cards to me in order to trim shipping costs and avoid any shipping mishaps. After repair and heavy testing, the cards were sent back to him. I do understand that this person waxes lyrical about this deck. I have been also told that this deck has emerged 'winner' in the recent trial against the 'Dragonized' ZXL. As for his earlier deck, much of the repair had been completed and this person paid a visit to see the deck playback in person! During his visit, he even brought additional decks for service. However due to the nature of the fault, the deck kept failing and within months of his visit, this person started sending mails and threatening over the phone. One of his emails eventually showed that he was pressured by his friend to ask for his deck back. The persons's items were eventually sent back, and a full refund of his payment was made. I had decided not to speak out about this episode as I had made the mistake of procastinating the shipment of this deck due to personal reasons. This person however mailed a number of people and attempted to paint a bad picture of me. Being friends who knew me better, they started mailing, and even calling me to find out what really happened. These people have been the reasons why I came back to Naktalk and have asked me to speak up. A big thank you to all of you - you know who you are. There have been people who have held repair jobs far, far longer then I had. There have been more malicious and vicious people who have tried and sometimes failed to spread rumours. While I have spoken very harshly against a number of members, I bear malice against no one here as we all have a common pursuit. There are a number of people who provide service for Naks and what you pay is what you get. This message is not meant to dig up a problem but to satisfy those who have repeatedly ask me to speak up as they see an injustice being done. I have done so although this matter has been laid to rest within me a long time ago. As we go into the new year, there are more things to discover, more to learn, and more to share. Naktalk continues to be a treasure trove of knowledge and discovery as it holds many knowledgeable and experienced people. I contribute where I can although I have never claimed or aspired to be a leader or a 'know-all'. No matter how high we are, we still have so much to learn. Let us look beyond op-amps, tubes, transistors and other smaller things and see the brotherhood that Naktalk has become. Let us all step into 2009 with bigger things in mind . Best Regards to Nakkers and their families, Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 17:09:10 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:09:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <200812291104.mBTB115m000390@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <732418.51370.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Actually Ron, the story sounds worse than it is. The job WAS open ended and I did keep in contact with him over the two yr period. The problem was that it sat in his basement chasing spiders along with the rest of his 'hobby' projects. Once it finally got to his bench, it took less than a day to install new Teac heads, a new motor and a recalibration. I bought the deck originally from a recording engineer (who bought it from a cassette bootlegger) and unbeknown to me, it had a whoring amount of hrs on it. My friend battled heath issues and went from being an independent audio engineer to running a radio station in Chicago (which sucked up all his spare time). I made the decision to 'gut it out', but I could have asked for the deck back at any time. No “fraud”, just a Twilight Zone type of experience.;-) Kevin Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:59:07 -0500 > From: Ron > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <4956DD6B.3010305 at verizon.net > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I am in the same boat as your friend -- I, too, fix stuff as a hobby. I make sure this is clearly understood up front and keep the owner informed. I recently worked on a Heathkit 'scope -- this was a major job, took over 10 hours of labour. The owner agreed to an open end deal (it takes as long as it takes) and got his 'scope back in just over two months, in perfect working order and fully calibrated. I cannot imagine what kind of deck repair would take two years, unless the unit sits in a box and nothing is done to it. Again: if you were properly informed and consented, then there is no problem. Otherwise, it's (here's that ugly word again) a fraud. -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Dec 29 17:12:38 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?windows-1252?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:12:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] removing front of CR-1A In-Reply-To: <20081229.070228.1789.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081229.070228.1789.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4958F6F6.6060408@yahoo.ca> Hi, you don't need to remove the front panel at all. Remove all the screws you see on the bottom panel and top frame that are vertically aligned over the transport. Then, press eject, and pull up on the door bezel, it's clipped to another frame. While the door is open, pull the transport backwards in the deck, and then close the door to pull it out completely. Cheers, Antoine rstern753 at juno.com a écrit : > I'm trying to follow the Sankyo control motor cleaning procedure for my CR-1A. To remove the transport out the front, it's obvious that I need to remove the front panals of the deck. I was able to remove the outer front panel fairly easily. > > How do I remove the inner front panel? It's held in by the tabs extending from the side walls of the chassis. It needs to be lowered to clear those tabs, but I can't seem to lower it while the transport is in place. > > Help please. > > Thanks, > Richard > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! > Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1131/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 17:32:01 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:32:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 29 Message-ID: <933432.21810.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Thanks David, I would prefer setting the type type manually anyway. Willy H is getting my 700ZXL sent to him (I haven't seen it yet) and so it will eventually be working perfectly. "Luddite" eh? Admittedly, I had to look that one up in the urban dictionary.;-) Technically, anyone who is into analog is a 'Luddite' . If you have analog AND digital, that makes you Luddite-ish? The Nakamichi literature is a gas to read now, because their higher-end stuff was targeted at a certain type of consumer-even to the the point that Nakamichi was trying to 'invent' that certain type of consumer. Ahhh...the power of good advertising! Kevin Message: 4 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:16:31 -0800 (PST) From: fripp_em Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL versus 700ZXL To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <865255.95429.qm at web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kevin, The 700zxl is for the crazy audio enthusiast who needs the best in their home to make a statement (I have two and it says that I am a Luddite and my house is too small - they are huge).  Nakamichi says it is a prime choice "for the truly discerning cassette recordist devoted to aesthetic as well as aural quality."  My Nak brochure also says the main difference with the 1000zxl is that the A.B.L.E. system in the 700zxl requires manual setting of the basic tape type used.  Otherwise it has the same head system and basic A.B.L.E and RAMM systems.  It also seems less crammed in internally than the 1000zxl which I think is a plus.  Willy has worked on a lot of these now and should know what the unadvertised differences are.  I've had absolutely no problem after he has serviced mine.  They seem to hold up very well (admittedly based on my small sample of two). David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Dec 29 18:02:30 2008 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann Services) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:02:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] More on the 1000ZXL: Auto azimuth problem In-Reply-To: <007B3A8F-0337-44F0-AF57-CF4B00647B3F@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <200812291702.mBTH2mL6008721@zxe.naks.com> Since it stops immediately I'd look for an electronic fault rather than a mechanical one. I don't know of any "usuals" for that circuit. I wrote up a description of the circuit and it's on the Wiki pages - hopefully that will make troubleshooting easier. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:02 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] More on the 1000ZXL: Auto azimuth problem Dear all. The 1000ZXL was about ready, all fully calibrated, and giving a FLAT 20-20KHz response. Amazing. Suddenly, the auto-azimuth has started to fail. If you try to auo az. it starts and stops in a tenth of a sec. Before I start troubleshooting, is this a known fault or issue? Thanks again, and best wishes for the coming 2009 to all. Best rds, LP. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Dec 29 18:28:06 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:28:06 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 Message-ID: <21868.68.37.213.136.1230571686.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> I hope that once we sorted all of this out, and preferrably before the end of the year, we can start 2009 without any problems between members. Let 2009 become year with new exciting projects and more nak knowledge gained by all members. Wouter > Bala, > I am very pleased to read your contributions and that you continue to > assist fellow Nak talkers.? I do however find it very difficult to > understand your lack of response to my request for information on the > refund for my end plates order made in July 2007 - $260 paid and nothing > in return.? You promised a refund but nothing has materialised, why? > As you know, I have not posted anything derogatory about you as I insist > that your help is invaluable to us.? Your reasons are your own.? You will > recall my request to donate the money to a charity of your choice that you > again refused to do for your very good reasons.? Do you now have anything > to say? > Regards, Ben > From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Dec 29 18:24:22 2008 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann Services) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:24:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] removing front of CR-1A In-Reply-To: <20081229.070228.1789.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <200812291724.mBTHOeSl009115@zxe.naks.com> HALT! The transport doesn't remove through the front. There should be three screws - one on top and two beneath - which hold the transport in place. These are #1 Phillips screws. There is then a ground wire which is screwed onto the left side of the transport also with a #1 Phillips. Unplug the various cables which connect the transport. The transport can then slide backwards and lift out. You may need to loosen the circuit board which sits directly behind the transport mechanism to get enough space to remove the transport. Best of luck. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of rstern753 at juno.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 6:02 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] removing front of CR-1A I'm trying to follow the Sankyo control motor cleaning procedure for my CR-1A. To remove the transport out the front, it's obvious that I need to remove the front panals of the deck. I was able to remove the outer front panel fairly easily. How do I remove the inner front panel? It's held in by the tabs extending from the side walls of the chassis. It needs to be lowered to clear those tabs, but I can't seem to lower it while the transport is in place. Help please. Thanks, Richard ____________________________________________________________ Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1131/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willy at willyhermannservices.com Mon Dec 29 18:38:56 2008 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann Services) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:38:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Pitch control ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <00EE6028-5858-4005-86CF-7384C878D4D3@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200812291739.mBTHdAKJ009643@zxe.naks.com> The speed adjustment pot is inside the capstan motor on that deck. Look for a hole in the back plate of the deck. Use a small flat blade screwdriver and be careful not to touch the metal sides of the hole as you adjust the speed. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Karsten Windt Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 9:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Pitch control ZX-7 Hello, could perhaps anyone help me where to find the pitch control potentiometer for my ZX-7? Could not find the right spot inside. It's running slightly too fast, and I'd like to digitalize some tapes before selling it. I'm a musician, and these are old tapes I recorded myself. Thanks a lot! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Mon Dec 29 18:57:36 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:57:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] More on the 1000ZXL: Auto azimuth problem In-Reply-To: <200812291702.mBTH2mL6008721@zxe.naks.com> References: <007B3A8F-0337-44F0-AF57-CF4B00647B3F@peromarta.org><200812291702.mBTH2mL6008721@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <156425183-1230573488-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1311028288-@bxe011.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Mechanically is fine, and the motor loaded with the assy. starts turning at aprox 2V + or - Will work on it later tonight. Best rgds, LP -----Original Message----- From: "Willy Hermann Services" Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:02:30 To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] More on the 1000ZXL: Auto azimuth problem Since it stops immediately I'd look for an electronic fault rather than a mechanical one. I don't know of any "usuals" for that circuit. I wrote up a description of the circuit and it's on the Wiki pages - hopefully that will make troubleshooting easier. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:02 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] More on the 1000ZXL: Auto azimuth problem Dear all. The 1000ZXL was about ready, all fully calibrated, and giving a FLAT 20-20KHz response. Amazing. Suddenly, the auto-azimuth has started to fail. If you try to auo az. it starts and stops in a tenth of a sec. Before I start troubleshooting, is this a known fault or issue? Thanks again, and best wishes for the coming 2009 to all. Best rds, LP. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From emberphoto at hotmail.com Mon Dec 29 19:30:00 2008 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:30:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? Message-ID: Hi All, I've been reading with interest the various posts comparing the 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL. On a related note... In late summer, I found on ebay, a listing for a mint 700 ZXE. I decided to add it, as the first "Golden Age" Nakamichi machine to my growing (over-grown?) Nak stable. I'm embarrassed to say, due to an impossibly over-committed schedule over the last half of '08, I've not yet opened the shipping carton -- nonetheless, I trust the seller, from whom I earlier purchased an absolutely mint Aiwa XK-S9000, which has been giving sterling service for the better part of a year. Anyhow, I do look forward to setting it up early in the New Year, and to belatedly enjoy my early Christmas gift to myself.The question I have for now -- and I know one or more of the experts on the forum can fill me in -- is: Where does the 700 ZXE fit into this period of Nakamichi? Many thanks, and a Happy Holiday Season to all! Steve Ember -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Dec 29 20:01:53 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:01:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <732418.51370.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <732418.51370.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49591EA1.2050600@verizon.net> Awww... All right. I apologize. I misunderstood your original post. All well that ends well. Peace, -- Ron Kevin Fetner wrote: > Actually Ron, the story sounds worse than it is. The job WAS open > ended and I did keep in contact with him over the two yr period. The > problem was that it sat in his basement > chasing spiders along with the rest of his 'hobby' projects. Once it > finally got to his bench, it took less than a day to install new Teac > heads, a new motor and a recalibration. I bought the deck originally > from a recording engineer (who bought it from a cassette bootlegger) > and unbeknown to me, it had a whoring amount of hrs on it. My friend > battled heath issues and went from being an independent audio engineer > to running a radio station in Chicago (which sucked up all his spare > time). I made the decision to 'gut it out', but I could have > asked for the deck back at any time. No “fraud”, just a Twilight Zone > type of experience.;-) > > Kevin > > Message: 11 > > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:59:07 -0500 > > From: Ron > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Message-ID: <4956DD6B.3010305 at verizon.net > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Well, I am in the same boat as your friend -- I, too, fix stuff > as a hobby. I make sure this is clearly understood up front > and keep the owner informed. I recently worked on a Heathkit > 'scope -- this was a major job, took over 10 hours of labour. > The owner agreed to an open end deal (it takes as long as it > takes) and got his 'scope back in just over two months, in > perfect working order and fully calibrated. I cannot imagine > what kind of deck repair would take two years, unless the > unit sits in a box and nothing is done to it. Again: if you were > properly informed and consented, then there is no problem. > Otherwise, it's (here's that ugly word again) a fraud. > > > > -- Ron > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Dec 29 20:04:37 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:04:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <61063.54874.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Playback performance should be the same as the 700ZXL. --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Steve Ember wrote: From: Steve Ember Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? To: "Nakamichi Talk" Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 12:30 PM #yiv948749547 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv948749547 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Hi All, I've been reading with interest the various posts comparing the 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL. On a related note... In late summer, I found on ebay, a listing for a mint 700 ZXE.  I decided to add it, as the first "Golden Age" Nakamichi machine to my growing (over-grown?) Nak stable. I'm embarrassed to say, due to an impossibly over-committed schedule over the last half of '08, I've not yet opened the shipping carton -- nonetheless, I trust the seller, from whom I earlier purchased an absolutely mint Aiwa XK-S9000, which has been giving sterling service for the better part of a year.  Anyhow, I do look forward to setting it up early in the New Year, and to belatedly enjoy my early Christmas gift to myself. The question I have for now -- and I know one or more of the experts on the forum can fill me in -- is: Where does the 700 ZXE fit into this period of Nakamichi? Many thanks, and a Happy Holiday Season to all! Steve Ember  ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 23:04:05 2008 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:04:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <236283.64946.qm@web55103.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hi Steve.   Go to web site nakamichi.us.  On the left side you will see Nakamichi Models.  Click on this and you will see a complete list of all Nakamichi cassette decks, the year they were sold and the last known retail prices.  As this list shows, your 700 ZXE was sold from 1981 to 1982 for $2,400.   P.S.  This is actually the Nakamichi portion of the web site of ESL.   Jayson --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Steve Ember wrote: From: Steve Ember Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? To: "Nakamichi Talk" Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 1:30 PM #yiv1216640413 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1216640413 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Hi All, I've been reading with interest the various posts comparing the 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL. On a related note... In late summer, I found on ebay, a listing for a mint 700 ZXE.  I decided to add it, as the first "Golden Age" Nakamichi machine to my growing (over-grown?) Nak stable. I'm embarrassed to say, due to an impossibly over-committed schedule over the last half of '08, I've not yet opened the shipping carton -- nonetheless, I trust the seller, from whom I earlier purchased an absolutely mint Aiwa XK-S9000, which has been giving sterling service for the better part of a year.  Anyhow, I do look forward to setting it up early in the New Year, and to belatedly enjoy my early Christmas gift to myself. The question I have for now -- and I know one or more of the experts on the forum can fill me in -- is: Where does the 700 ZXE fit into this period of Nakamichi? Many thanks, and a Happy Holiday Season to all! Steve Ember  ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From k2006w at gmx.de Tue Dec 30 02:31:54 2008 From: k2006w at gmx.de (Karsten Windt) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:31:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Pitch control ZX-7 In-Reply-To: <200812291739.mBTHdAKJ009643@zxe.naks.com> References: <200812291739.mBTHdAKJ009643@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <96F54280-71CA-4FA2-9DE3-646273E1E121@gmx.de> Thanks very much for your help, Willy, and Happy New Year! Karsten Am 29.12.2008 um 18:38 schrieb Willy Hermann Services: > The speed adjustment pot is inside the capstan motor on that deck. > Look for > a hole in the back plate of the deck. Use a small flat blade > screwdriver > and be careful not to touch the metal sides of the hole as you > adjust the > speed. > > Willy > > From lenaw at flash.net Tue Dec 30 04:45:19 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:45:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <49591EA1.2050600@verizon.net> Message-ID: <778845.84333.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Actually that gentleman in Chicago is one of the few persons in this country that really know how to fix TEAC decks ( both Reel-to-Reel and Cassette ). My Teac C-1 cassette deck is still there after six months' time and also my repair order is open-ended as well.     Mike   --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 1:01 PM Awww... All right. I apologize. I misunderstood your original post. All well that ends well. Peace, -- Ron Kevin Fetner wrote: Actually Ron, the story sounds worse than it is. The job WAS open ended and I did keep in contact with him over the two yr period. The problem was that it sat in his basement chasing spiders along with the rest of his 'hobby' projects. Once it finally got to his bench, it took less than a day to install new Teac heads, a new motor and a recalibration. I bought the deck originally from a recording engineer (who bought it from a cassette bootlegger) and unbeknown to me, it had a whoring amount of hrs on it. My friend battled heath issues and went from being an independent audio engineer to running a radio station in Chicago (which sucked up all his spare time). I made the decision to 'gut it out', but I could have asked for the deck back at any time. No “fraud”, just a Twilight Zone type of experience.;-) Kevin Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:59:07 -0500 > From: Ron > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <4956DD6B.3010305 at verizon.net > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I am in the same boat as your friend -- I, too, fix stuff as a hobby. I make sure this is clearly understood up front and keep the owner informed. I recently worked on a Heathkit 'scope -- this was a major job, took over 10 hours of labour. The owner agreed to an open end deal (it takes as long as it takes) and got his 'scope back in just over two months, in perfect working order and fully calibrated. I cannot imagine what kind of deck repair would take two years, unless the unit sits in a box and nothing is done to it. Again: if you were properly informed and consented, then there is no problem. Otherwise, it's (here's that ugly word again) a fraud. -- Ron========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 04:59:05 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:59:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <21868.68.37.213.136.1230571686.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <359663.1924.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Wouter, This is the very reason why I posted days before the new year as I am hoping that 2009 onwards will be more constructive for Naktalk. Hopefully, we have more members undestanding that Naktalk is not a place to show off their golden fleece, gripe and complain. It is a place that has helped a lot of people with their Naks and has helped build a global community. Let us all work towards a more graceful and constructive place. Rgds, Bala Wouter Heijke wrote: I hope that once we sorted all of this out, and preferrably before the end of the year, we can start 2009 without any problems between members. Let 2009 become year with new exciting projects and more nak knowledge gained by all members. Wouter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 05:06:02 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:06:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] More on the 1000ZXL: Auto azimuth problem In-Reply-To: <007B3A8F-0337-44F0-AF57-CF4B00647B3F@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <119723.59264.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi LP, Are you doing a Azi. alignment on the same tape? I presume that when you hit the azimuth+play+rec combination, the light comes on for a brief moment? I just saw your mail but for some reason, Yahoo had shifted it to the Bulk folder. I will reply from there. Regards, Bala Luis Peromarta wrote: Dear all. The 1000ZXL was about ready, all fully calibrated, and giving a FLAT 20-20KHz response. Amazing. Suddenly, the auto-azimuth has started to fail. If you try to auo az. it starts and stops in a tenth of a sec. Before I start troubleshooting, is this a known fault or issue? Thanks again, and best wishes for the coming 2009 to all. Best rds, LP. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Dec 30 08:20:08 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:20:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] More on the 1000ZXL: Auto azimuth problem In-Reply-To: <119723.59264.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <007B3A8F-0337-44F0-AF57-CF4B00647B3F@peromarta.org><119723.59264.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1066622016-1230621640-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-57134473-@bxe011.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Yes, only for a very brief moment, with different tapes. Then it stops. Rgds, LP -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:06:02 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] More on the 1000ZXL: Auto azimuth problem ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Tue Dec 30 09:41:18 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:41:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] More on the 1000ZXL: Auto azimuth problem In-Reply-To: <1066622016-1230621640-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-57134473-@bxe011.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> References: <007B3A8F-0337-44F0-AF57-CF4B00647B3F@peromarta.org><119723.59264.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1066622016-1230621640-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-57134473-@bxe011.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: I have some updates: I have placed a voltmeter in pin 1 of the az. motor, and other in pin 12 of IC 512 (the Az end signal). If the probe from the voltmeter is attached to pin 12 of IC 512, the az. adj. never ends, despite voltage on az. motor swings from + to - constantly (This probably means the control is working fine, searching for the zero). If I disconnect the lead from pin 12 of IC512, the proccess stops inmediately. The meters are 8808A fluke's so I don't blame them for low input impedance. Cap C532, get's it's current when voltage nears zero on the motor, and charges up to 7,5V. Is this enough to trigger the Az End signal? I am suspecting IC512 for the reasons above. Hints welcome. Best rgds, LP. The principle of operation from Willy. is here: http://naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=autoazimuth El 30/12/2008, a las 8:20, Luis Peromarta escribió: > Yes, only for a very brief moment, with different tapes. Then it > stops. > > Rgds, LP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:06:02 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] More on the 1000ZXL: Auto azimuth problem > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From luis at peromarta.org Tue Dec 30 10:52:10 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:52:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] More on the 1000ZXL: Auto azimuth problem In-Reply-To: References: <007B3A8F-0337-44F0-AF57-CF4B00647B3F@peromarta.org><119723.59264.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1066622016-1230621640-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-57134473-@bxe011.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <8DD7535F-A630-447A-94A1-C208D758A33C@peromarta.org> Guilty as charged !! The double flip-flop, IC512 (4013) was faulty. I have replaced it and now it working again. Thanks all for your help and support. LP. El 30/12/2008, a las 9:41, Luis Peromarta escribió: > I have some updates: > > I have placed a voltmeter in pin 1 of the az. motor, and other in > pin 12 of IC 512 (the Az end signal). > > If the probe from the voltmeter is attached to pin 12 of IC 512, the > az. adj. never ends, despite voltage on az. motor swings from + to - > constantly (This probably means the control is working fine, > searching for the zero). If I disconnect the lead from pin 12 of > IC512, the proccess stops inmediately. The meters are 8808A fluke's > so I don't blame them for low input impedance. > > Cap C532, get's it's current when voltage nears zero on the motor, > and charges up to 7,5V. Is this enough to trigger the Az End signal? > I am suspecting IC512 for the reasons above. > > Hints welcome. > > Best rgds, LP. > > > The principle of operation from Willy. is here: > > http://naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=autoazimuth > > > El 30/12/2008, a las 8:20, Luis Peromarta escribió: > >> Yes, only for a very brief moment, with different tapes. Then it >> stops. >> >> Rgds, LP >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> >> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:06:02 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] More on the 1000ZXL: Auto azimuth problem >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> > From luis at peromarta.org Tue Dec 30 10:53:16 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:53:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] More on the 1000ZXL: Auto azimuth problem In-Reply-To: <758352.37145.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <758352.37145.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bala, thanks for the input, I found out the double flip-flop circuit was bad. I have replaced it and it's now working perfectly! Best rgds, LP. El 30/12/2008, a las 9:50, Bala Ganesh Chandra escribió: > Ok. I am not at home hence I can't give you exact component > reference. The auto-azi. circuit for the ZXL consists of two op-amp > stages, a Flip-Flop and a quad-input And-gate. Ensure that the A3 > signal from the processor is present at the inputs of both And > gates. Chances are, there is a early cut-off of one of the signals > at the and-gates which causes the auto-azimuth to end prematurely. > Also, check that both motor driver transistors are in good condition. > > Check to let me know. > > Rgds, > Bala > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > Yes, only for a very brief moment, with different tapes. Then it > stops. > > Rgds, LP > > > From luis at peromarta.org Tue Dec 30 13:39:11 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:39:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL transport work Message-ID: <03836FCE-2671-4987-8462-22CC927210D1@peromarta.org> Dear all, this goes specially to Tom, Willy and Jeff Now that my deck is going well, I need the transport aligned, and new preasure rollers, tape guides and belts installed. I have done some work on it, like changing the idler tyre, and capdtan belt, but it is not a good one, because W&F is peakling around 0.1%. I don't mind originals or after-market, as long as performance is good. I have thought on dismantling the transport, and shipping it to anyone of you who has spares, and gaues, so I can have it cleaned, re- lubbed, and with the guides aligned, and heads' tilt done. I can then install it and calibrate for heads height and az. This will save me a lot of money on shipping, problems with customs, and labour costs. I guess Jeff only likes full decks, so I'd say he would not take it, even though I know he has spares. But maybe ... Who else could take it? Thanks a lot and best rgds, LP. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 05:16:38 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:16:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <8CB37AF587DA6BA-1650-121F@MBLK-M19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <199258.49187.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ben, I had sent a number of emails to you since then, and I do believe you responded to some of them. For some reasons, pay-pal does not seem to display well on my PC and I have had little time to sort it out in the midst of work. I have always appreciated your manner on the forums, and your support. I have since remitted the amount back to you inclusive of all fees on my end. Please do let me know if there are any irregularities in the transfer. Rgds, Bala benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: Bala, I am very pleased to read your contributions and that you continue to assist fellow Nak talkers. I do however find it very difficult to understand your lack of response to my request for information on the refund for my end plates order made in July 2007 - $260 paid and nothing in return. You promised a refund but nothing has materialised, why? As you know, I have not posted anything derogatory about you as I insist that your help is invaluable to us. Your reasons are your own. You will recall my request to donate the money to a charity of your choice that you again refused to do for your very good reasons. Do you now have anything to say? Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 8:04 Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 Dear All, As the New Year approaches, and we prepare for an unprecendented year ahead, I would like to wish all friends here a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year ahead. As we prepare for the difficult times, one of the few things that help us forget such tough times are music, which our beloved Nakamichis bring us. My own few years of experience with cassettes has been an emotional journey which has been filled with joy, exhiliration, frustration, sadness, excitement and amazement. Cassettes have yet to cease being exciting and looking back at past years, the year ahead is going to be even more exciting. I have always shared what I know here on Naktalk, and have tried to give back what Naktalk has given to me. If we look among our equipment and tools, the most valuable tool has to be Naktalk.It alone has the power to bring people spread across continents together and help one another. Undeniably, Naktalk has become more then just a mailing list. Over the course of this year, I have had a number of private emails asking me why I had not shared as much as I had in previous years and about my sudden absence here in Naktalk. I have always tried to be helpful as I have acceeded to many people's request for help. One such request came to me from very far. This particular person had a troubled deck which was sent for repairs but unfortunately was still giving problems. I accepted this job for a modest price and the deck was sent to me. What evnetually transpired was a deck fraught with mutlple problems and even missing components. In the mean time, this person accquired another similar deck of a special version which again had problems. This time I isolated the problems via telephone and had him send just the problem cards to me in order to trim shipping costs and avoid any shipping mishaps. After repair and heavy testing, the cards were sent back to him. I do understand that this person waxes lyrical about this deck. I have been also told that this deck has emerged 'winner' in the recent trial against the 'Dragonized' ZXL. As for his earlier deck, much of the repair had been completed and this person paid a visit to see the deck playback in person! During his visit, he even brought additional decks for service. However due to the nature of the fault, the deck kept failing and within months of his visit, this person started sending mails and threatening over the phone. One of his emails eventually showed that he was pressured by his friend to ask for his deck back. The persons's items were eventually sent back, and a full refund of his payment was made. I had decided not to speak out about this episode as I had made the mistake of procastinating the shipment of this deck due to personal reasons. This person however mailed a number of people and attempted to paint a bad picture of me. Being friends who knew me better, they started mailing, and even calling me to find out what really happened. These people have been the reasons why I came back to Naktalk and have asked me to speak up. A big thank you to all of you - you know who you are. There have been people who have held repair jobs far, far longer then I had. There have been more malicious and vicious people who have tried and sometimes failed to spread rumours. While I have spoken very harshly against a number of members, I bear malice against no one here as we all have a common pursuit. There are a number of people who provide service for Naks and what you pay is what you get. This message is not meant to dig up a problem but to satisfy those who have repeatedly ask me to speak up as they see an injustice being done. I have done so although this matter has been laid to rest within me a long time ago. As we go into the new year, there are more things to discover, more to learn, and more to share. Naktalk continues to be a treasure trove of knowledge and discovery as it holds many knowledgeable and experienced people. I contribute where I can although I have never claimed or aspired to be a leader or a 'know-all'. No matter how high we are, we still have so much to learn. Let us look beyond op-amps, tubes, transistors and other smaller things and see the brotherhood that Naktalk has become. Let us all step into 2009 with bigger things in mind . 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Unlike both the ZXLs, the ZXE did not have ABLE or RAMM, though it did have recording calibration facilities. As for what's under the bonnet, I have no idea. Size- and appearance-wise, it's very similar to the 700 ZXE, except that you'll notice the absence of lights (eg. RAMM lights). One ebay seller a few years ago made the quip that the ZXE made the the Dragon sound like a salamander by comparison!! I wonder if that's true? Someone will no doubt correct me if my memory has served me ill here! Bernard White From: emberphoto at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:30:00 -0500Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? Hi All, I've been reading with interest the various posts comparing the 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL.On a related note...In late summer, I found on ebay, a listing for a mint 700 ZXE. I decided to add it, as the first "Golden Age" Nakamichi machine to my growing (over-grown?) Nak stable. I'm embarrassed to say, due to an impossibly over-committed schedule over the last half of '08, I've not yet opened the shipping carton -- nonetheless, I trust the seller, from whom I earlier purchased an absolutely mint Aiwa XK-S9000, which has been giving sterling service for the better part of a year. Anyhow, I do look forward to setting it up early in the New Year, and to belatedly enjoy my early Christmas gift to myself.The question I have for now -- and I know one or more of the experts on the forum can fill me in -- is: Where does the 700 ZXE fit into this period of Nakamichi?Many thanks, and a Happy Holiday Season to all!Steve Ember _________________________________________________________________ Are you getting paid enough? Find out at the SEEK Salary Centre http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fmsn%2Eseek%2Eco%2Enz%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Atl%3Anzsc%3Amsnnz%3A0%3Ahottag%3Apaidenough&_t=757263783&_r=SEEKNZ_tagline&_m=EXT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Tue Dec 30 08:53:26 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:53:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <359663.1924.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB386AD4F24D34-1370-1A9B@WEBMAIL-DY21.sysops.aol.com> Many thanks Bala for a satisfactory conclusion to our issue.? May I wish you and all a very happy new year and lets move on to bigger and better things. Best Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 3:59 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 Hi Wouter, ? This is the very reason why I posted days before the new year as I am hoping that 2009 onwards will be more constructive for Naktalk. Hopefully, we have more members undestanding that Naktalk is not a place to show off their golden fleece, gripe and complain. It is a place that has helped a lot of people with their Naks and has helped build a global community. Let us all work towards a more graceful and constructive place. ? Rgds, Bala Wouter Heijke wrote: I hope that once we sorted all of this out, and preferrably before the end of the year, we can start 2009 without any problems between members. Let 2009 become year with new exciting projects and more nak knowledge gained by all members. 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URL: From kjlee at people.net.au Tue Dec 30 09:48:24 2008 From: kjlee at people.net.au (ken lee) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:48:24 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] nak 482z help Message-ID: <4959E058.8050904@people.net.au> I am continuing to find problems with my 482z, the latest is that the pinch roller assembly will not move to contact the tape when "play" is pressed, the tape head assembly moves and seats correctly but the tape is moved at an unregulated speed by the reel motor only, ie it is not turning at the correct capstan motor speed because of the lack of drive from the capstan rollers still in their rest position, any ideas would be appreciated before i have to disassemble anything Ken (Melbourne Australia) From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 09:50:02 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:50:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] More on the 1000ZXL: Auto azimuth problem In-Reply-To: <1066622016-1230621640-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-57134473-@bxe011.bisx.produk.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <758352.37145.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok. I am not at home hence I can't give you exact component reference. The auto-azi. circuit for the ZXL consists of two op-amp stages, a Flip-Flop and a quad-input And-gate. Ensure that the A3 signal from the processor is present at the inputs of both And gates. Chances are, there is a early cut-off of one of the signals at the and-gates which causes the auto-azimuth to end prematurely. Also, check that both motor driver transistors are in good condition. Check to let me know. Rgds, Bala Luis Peromarta wrote: Yes, only for a very brief moment, with different tapes. Then it stops. Rgds, LP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Tue Dec 30 11:03:17 2008 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:03:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <47048.92342.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <47048.92342.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4959F1E5.8050100@otenet.gr> Dear all I want to extend my warmest wishes for a prosperous and Happy New Year to all members of this great forum and their families and a special thanks to Wouter for keeping up and maintaining this site all these years, along with the contribution of our NAK "gurus" from all around the world!!! I am a member only since 2005 (if i can recall ...) and have learned a lot for my beloved NAKs by just reading and keeping up with the forum......(It also pushed me to acquire more NAKs and eventually i have ended up with 11 of them...........) Now, with the international recess still in progress, the only thing i want is to be able to maintain them in good working order and this forum is the "best deal" worldwide to archive it!!!! I hope the year 2009 will be a fruitful one and that it will bring the ongoing projects (test tapes etc) closer to success for the sake of our Naks. Lets leave behind everything that hurt us during 2008 and look ahead with the hope that the best is yet to come! Manos - Athens - Greece Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Happy New Year to you and your family Jayson. > > Rgds, > Bala > > */jayson levitz /* wrote: > > Bala, > > Well said. > > I have learned a lot myself since joining Naktalk last Feb. > > Happy New Year to you too and everyone else on Naktalk. > > Jayson > > --- On *Fri, 12/26/08, Bala Ganesh Chandra //* > wrote: > > From: Bala Ganesh Chandra > Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 3:04 AM > > > Dear All, > > As the New Year approaches, and we prepare for an > unprecendented year ahead, I would like to wish all friends > here a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year ahead. > > As we prepare for the difficult times, one of the few things > that help us forget such tough times are music, which our > beloved Nakamichis bring us. My own few years of experience > with cassettes has been an emotional journey which has been > filled with joy, exhiliration, frustration, sadness, > excitement and amazement. > > Cassettes have yet to cease being exciting and looking back at > past years, the year ahead is going to be even more exciting. > I have always shared what I know here on Naktalk, and have > tried to give back what Naktalk has given to me. If we look > among our equipment and tools, the most valuable tool has to > be Naktalk.It alone has the power to bring people spread > across continents together and help one another. Undeniably, > Naktalk has become more then just a mailing list. > > Over the course of this year, I have had a number of private > emails asking me why I had not shared as much as I had in > previous years and about my sudden absence here in Naktalk. I > have always tried to be helpful as I have acceeded to many > people's request for help. One such request came to me from > very far. This particular person had a troubled deck which was > sent for repairs but unfortunately was still giving problems. > I accepted this job for a modest price and the deck was sent > to me. What evnetually transpired was a deck fraught with > mutlple problems and even missing components. > > In the mean time, this person accquired another similar deck > of a special version which again had problems. This time I > isolated the problems via telephone and had him send > just the problem cards to me in order to trim shipping costs > and avoid any shipping mishaps. After repair and heavy > testing, the cards were sent back to him. I do understand that > this person waxes lyrical about this deck. I have been also > told that this deck has emerged 'winner' in the recent trial > against the 'Dragonized' ZXL. > > As for his earlier deck, much of the repair had been completed > and this person paid a visit to see the deck playback in > person! During his visit, he even brought additional decks for > service. However due to the nature of the fault, the deck kept > failing and within months of his visit, this person started > sending mails and threatening over the phone. One of his > emails eventually showed that he was pressured by his friend > to ask for his deck back. The persons's items were eventually > sent back, and a full refund of his payment was made. > > I had decided not to speak out about this episode as I had > made the mistake of procastinating the shipment of this deck > due to personal reasons. This person however mailed a number > of people and attempted to paint a bad picture of me. Being > friends who knew me better, they started mailing, and even > calling me to find out what really happened. These people > have been the reasons why I came back to Naktalk and have > asked me to speak up. A big thank you to all of you - you know > who you are. > > There have been people who have held repair jobs far, far > longer then I had. There have been more malicious and vicious > people who have tried and sometimes failed to spread rumours. > While I have spoken very harshly against a number of members, > I bear malice against no one here as we all have a common > pursuit. There are a number of people who provide service for > Naks and what you pay is what you get. This message is not > meant to dig up a problem but to satisfy those who have > repeatedly ask me to speak up as they see an injustice being > done. I have done so although this matter has been laid to > rest within me a long time ago. > > As we go into the new year, there are more things to discover, > more to learn, and more to share. Naktalk continues to be a > treasure trove of knowledge and discovery as it holds many > knowledgeable and experienced people. I contribute where I can > although I have never claimed or aspired to be a leader or a > 'know-all'. No matter how high we are, we still have so much > to learn. Let us look beyond op-amps, tubes, transistors and > other smaller things and see the brotherhood that Naktalk has > become. > > Let us all step into 2009 with bigger things in mind . > > Best Regards to Nakkers and their families, > Bala > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 11:05:29 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:05:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] More on the 1000ZXL: Auto azimuth problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <239027.98894.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wonderful! Now welcome the new year with a working ZXL and some good beer! Rgds, Bala Luis Peromarta wrote: Hi Bala, thanks for the input, I found out the double flip-flop circuit was bad. I have replaced it and it's now working perfectly! Best rgds, LP. El 30/12/2008, a las 9:50, Bala Ganesh Chandra escribió: > Ok. I am not at home hence I can't give you exact component > reference. The auto-azi. circuit for the ZXL consists of two op-amp > stages, a Flip-Flop and a quad-input And-gate. Ensure that the A3 > signal from the processor is present at the inputs of both And > gates. Chances are, there is a early cut-off of one of the signals > at the and-gates which causes the auto-azimuth to end prematurely. > Also, check that both motor driver transistors are in good condition. > > Check to let me know. > > Rgds, > Bala > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > Yes, only for a very brief moment, with different tapes. Then it > stops. > > Rgds, LP > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 16:19:27 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:19:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <200812301104.mBUB1qxY032187@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <870584.66170.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Yes, I think he's a stellar gentlemen who has just taken on too much 'hobby' work. For Teac work (if he ever gets to it), you'll find no better. My advice; be patience, send him nice, encouraging letters every once in a while. Show some interest in his life there without be patronizing or false. Be prepared to wait a loooooong time.;-) Kevin Message: 23 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:45:19 -0800 (PST) From: LENA WONG Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Stepping into 2009 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <778845.84333.qm at web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Actually that gentleman in Chicago is one of the few persons in this country that really know how to fix TEAC decks ( both Reel-to-Reel and Cassette ). My Teac C-1 cassette deck is still there after six months' time and also my repair order is open-ended as well.     Mike   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 16:34:45 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:34:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:1000ZXL versus 700ZXL In-Reply-To: <200812301104.mBUB1qxY032187@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <516472.2110.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Bala, Thanks a lot for that description/comparison-excellent! You're correct, the brochures don't do the differences justice. And yeah, I thought the A.B.L.E. system was controlled by a micro-processor...hmmmmmm. Funny you should mention the Aiwa F series-that's the cassette 'bootleggers' deck (I mentioned in another post) that I'm waiting almost two yrs for.;-) It has some novel features, but build quality is 'drugstore brand'. Kevin Message: 3 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:37:49 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL versus 700ZXL To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <91422.68096.qm at web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Kevin,       There has been quite a bit said about this deck, but it's always good because the brochures do sound a little vague. The 1000ZXL and 700ZXL are quite different although they seem to spec out almost the same.       The 700ZXL shares the same playback/Dolby board and a similar RAMM system with the 1000ZXL. Much of the transport related logic and auto-azimuth circuits are also similar though the circuity has been rather crammed into a smaller boards.       One of the key difference is that that the ABLE system is very different from the the 1000ZXL. It isn't controlled by a micro-processor (although all available literature suggests that it does) but uses sequential logic made up of multiple logic circuits. The good news is that this is fixable as parts are plentiful. The bad news is that it can be a pain to troubleshoot! The auto-calibration uses only two frequencies 400Hz for level and 15kHz for the bias adjustment. A third frequency (7kHz) is used to linearize the EQ.       This differs greatly from the 1000ZXL's ABLE computer which does use a micro-processor, and uses 4 different frequencies for a true calibration irregardless of tape type inserted. The 1000ZXL, in my opinion, is a more through system that features a micro-processor. The processor, is a 4-bit PMOS model that has seen widespread use in some of the best cassette decks made during the late 70s and early 80s. This include the Aiwa F series (990, 880, 660 etc) and Aiwa 6700, 6900 and 6900II.       Sound wise, these two decks differ quite a bit. The 1000ZXL has a more bigger sound, with deep and wide soundstage. The bass is more deeper, perhaps thanks to its more generous power supplies. The 700ZXL sounds slightly closed in, and the bass is not as refined as it's bigger cousin. It does however have equally sweet highs and capable of bringing out the best out of pre-recorded tapes if azimuth is in sync, as with the 1000ZXL.       With the amount of engineering differences, Nakamichi seems to have cut lots of cost, though this also results in differences in sound quality. The 700ZXL is however very close up there to the 1000ZXL. They however, don't seem to be build for longevity and chassis stiffness leaves much to be desired.       One thing I would love is to have LP's LED upgrade kit for the control compartment illumination!       Rgds,   Bala -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kevin Message: 3 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:37:49 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL versus 700ZXL To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <91422.68096.qm at web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Kevin,       There has been quite a bit said about this deck, but it's always good because the brochures do sound a little vague. The 1000ZXL and 700ZXL are quite different although they seem to spec out almost the same.       The 700ZXL shares the same playback/Dolby board and a similar RAMM system with the 1000ZXL. Much of the transport related logic and auto-azimuth circuits are also similar though the circuity has been rather crammed into a smaller boards.       One of the key difference is that that the ABLE system is very different from the the 1000ZXL. It isn't controlled by a micro-processor (although all available literature suggests that it does) but uses sequential logic made up of multiple logic circuits. The good news is that this is fixable as parts are plentiful. The bad news is that it can be a pain to troubleshoot! The auto-calibration uses only two frequencies 400Hz for level and 15kHz for the bias adjustment. A third frequency (7kHz) is used to linearize the EQ.       This differs greatly from the 1000ZXL's ABLE computer which does use a micro-processor, and uses 4 different frequencies for a true calibration irregardless of tape type inserted. The 1000ZXL, in my opinion, is a more through system that features a micro-processor. The processor, is a 4-bit PMOS model that has seen widespread use in some of the best cassette decks made during the late 70s and early 80s. This include the Aiwa F series (990, 880, 660 etc) and Aiwa 6700, 6900 and 6900II.       Sound wise, these two decks differ quite a bit. The 1000ZXL has a more bigger sound, with deep and wide soundstage. The bass is more deeper, perhaps thanks to its more generous power supplies. The 700ZXL sounds slightly closed in, and the bass is not as refined as it's bigger cousin. It does however have equally sweet highs and capable of bringing out the best out of pre-recorded tapes if azimuth is in sync, as with the 1000ZXL.       With the amount of engineering differences, Nakamichi seems to have cut lots of cost, though this also results in differences in sound quality. The 700ZXL is however very close up there to the 1000ZXL. They however, don't seem to be build for longevity and chassis stiffness leaves much to be desired.       One thing I would love is to have LP's LED upgrade kit for the control compartment illumination!       Rgds,   Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 17:00:52 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:00:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <8CB386AD4F24D34-1370-1A9B@WEBMAIL-DY21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <900915.35011.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ben, Wouter, et al, I am  glad naktalk did help resolve Ben's issue amicably. I have never observed a naktalk member "show off" any golden fleece. If Ben had not complained on naktalk, I doubt if he would have had his issue resolved....and I thank Wouter to have allowed such posts on naktalk. Let us all move on now, knowing well that its a small world, and that commitments should be reasonably honored by both parties concerned and we should all have mutual respect for each other with no room for any personal attacks from now on! Happy New Year comrades! Regards, Ram --- On Tue, 12/30/08, benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 2:53 AM Many thanks Bala for a satisfactory conclusion to our issue.  May I wish you and all a very happy new year and lets move on to bigger and better things. Best Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 3:59 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 Hi Wouter,   This is the very reason why I posted days before the new year as I am hoping that 2009 onwards will be more constructive for Naktalk. Hopefully, we have more members undestanding that Naktalk is not a place to show off their golden fleece, gripe and complain. It is a place that has helped a lot of people with their Naks and has helped build a global community. Let us all work towards a more graceful and constructive place.   Rgds, Bala Wouter Heijke wrote: I hope that once we sorted all of this out, and preferrably before the end of the year, we can start 2009 without any problems between members. Let 2009 become year with new exciting projects and more nak knowledge gained by all members. Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. 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The lubricant used on the shafts of the pinch roller rocker arms hardens and prevents the pinch rollers from contacting the capstan shafts. The solution is to remove those rocker arms and clean all the old lubricant from them. This does mean that the guide height will have to be reset. If you don't have the height jigs you can measure the heights before you start work and return them to that position. Measure very carefully since this adjustment is critical for a smooth tape path. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ken lee Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:48 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] nak 482z help I am continuing to find problems with my 482z, the latest is that the pinch roller assembly will not move to contact the tape when "play" is pressed, the tape head assembly moves and seats correctly but the tape is moved at an unregulated speed by the reel motor only, ie it is not turning at the correct capstan motor speed because of the lack of drive from the capstan rollers still in their rest position, any ideas would be appreciated before i have to disassemble anything Ken (Melbourne Australia) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 18:33:32 2008 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:33:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <984981.58625.qm@web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hi Steve and Bernard.   I sent this yesterday to Steve.  I do not know if he received it or not so here it is again, this time to both of you.    Go to web site nakamichi.us.  On the left side you will see Nakamichi Models.  Click on this and you will see a complete list of all Nakamichi cassette decks, the year they were sold and the last known retail prices.  As this list shows, your 700 ZXE was sold from 1981 to 1982 for $2,400.   P.S.  This is actually the Nakamichi portion of the web site of ESL.   Regards, Jayson   --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Bernard White wrote: From: Bernard White Subject: RE: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 1:58 AM #yiv1724222341 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1724222341 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Off the top of my head: the ZXE was a slightly later model - by a couple of years, I THINK, probably around 1982. It retailed for around the same price as the Dragon - some $US2400 (compared to $3000 for the 700 and $3800 for the 1000). Unlike both the ZXLs, the ZXE did not have ABLE or RAMM, though it did have recording calibration facilities. As for what's under the bonnet, I have no idea. Size- and appearance-wise, it's very similar to the 700 ZXE, except that you'll notice the absence of lights (eg. RAMM lights).   One ebay seller a few years ago made the quip that the ZXE made the the Dragon sound like a salamander by comparison!! I wonder if that's true?   Someone will no doubt correct me if my memory has served me ill here!   Bernard White From: emberphoto at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:30:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? #yiv1724222341 .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} #yiv1724222341 .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Hi All, I've been reading with interest the various posts comparing the 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL. On a related note... In late summer, I found on ebay, a listing for a mint 700 ZXE.  I decided to add it, as the first "Golden Age" Nakamichi machine to my growing (over-grown?) Nak stable. I'm embarrassed to say, due to an impossibly over-committed schedule over the last half of '08, I've not yet opened the shipping carton -- nonetheless, I trust the seller, from whom I earlier purchased an absolutely mint Aiwa XK-S9000, which has been giving sterling service for the better part of a year.  Anyhow, I do look forward to setting it up early in the New Year, and to belatedly enjoy my early Christmas gift to myself. The question I have for now -- and I know one or more of the experts on the forum can fill me in -- is: Where does the 700 ZXE fit into this period of Nakamichi? Many thanks, and a Happy Holiday Season to all! Steve Ember   Find out at the SEEK Salary Centre Are you getting paid enough? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boeing747600 at aol.com Tue Dec 30 18:57:10 2008 From: boeing747600 at aol.com (boeing747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:57:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB38BF2B148118-1A8-20D@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> Hi , As a proud?owner of a 700ZXE i can tell you that yes?this deck does?has?RAMM! facility? Also it has Auto Calibration which automatically calibrate or optimize the bias, level and record azimuth for the particular tape you have inserted in it i.e. metal(zx setting) SX( like tdk sa tape) or EX(low noise tape) . After this machine has sucessfully calibrated the tape you can expect recording quality ?that will blow you away!! This machine is next to 1000ZXL in terms of the finest Nakamichi Cassette deck , this coming from an owner who has also owned the 700ZXL ( I prefer the 700ZXE)? , the CR7A and also own the Namkamichi Dragon.? The wide dynamic range of the 700ZXE is astonishing! to say the least!? You simply have to own and hear one to understand what I am trying to tell you. make sure that its has the orange caps replaced and if possible all of the electrolytic caps which is real hard work and see that its calibrated according to the service manual? Afterward you?can enjoy! and yes IT WILL BE?WORTH IT!?. Thanks! Ali -----Original Message----- From: Bernard White To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 1:58 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? Off the top of my head: the ZXE was a slightly later model - by a couple of years, I THINK, probably around 1982. It retailed for around the same price as the Dragon - some $US2400 (compared to $3000 for the 700 and $3800 for the 1000). Unlike both the ZXLs, the ZXE did not have ABLE or RAMM, though it did have recording calibration facilities. As for what's under the bonnet, I have no idea. Size- and appearance-wise, it's very similar to the 700 ZXE, except that you'll notice the absence of lights (eg. RAMM lights). ? One ebay seller a few years ago made the quip that the ZXE made the the Dragon sound like a salamander by comparison!! I wonder if that's true? ? Someone will no doubt correct me if my memory has served me ill here! ? Bernard White From: emberphoto at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:30:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? Hi All, I've been reading with interest the various posts comparing the 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL. On a related note... In late summer, I found on ebay, a listing for a mint 700 ZXE.? I decided to add it, as the first "Golden Age" Nakamichi machine to my growing (over-grown?) Nak stable. I'm embarrassed to say, due to an impossibly over-committed schedule over the last half of '08, I've not yet opened the shipping carton -- nonetheless, I trust the seller, from whom I earlier purchased an absolutely mint Aiwa XK-S9000, which has been giving sterling service for the better part of a year.? Anyhow, I do look forward to setting it up early in the New Year, and to belatedly enjoy my?early Christmas gift to myself. The question I have for now -- and I know one or more of the experts on the forum can fill me in -- is: Where does the 700 ZXE fit into this period of Nakamichi? Many thanks, and a Happy Holiday Season to all! Steve Ember ? Find out at the SEEK Salary Centre Are you getting paid enough? = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr Tue Dec 30 20:02:00 2008 From: claude-bonnafous at wanadoo.fr (Claude BONNAFOUS) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:02:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo transport, reel motor Message-ID: <1FE9794DCE544FD09B94547DD3EE8754@CLO2842> Hi everybody, Nak enthusiasts and specialists, very strange to think you are writing to people living in all parts of the world! As I am new on Naktalk, I have tried to find an old (!) thread about this problem, but I've found none so far: because it is necessary to refurbish or clean the reel motor-suffers from dead spots- I must first remove the brassy cylinder on the drive shaft, and for that undo the tiny headless screw that holds it on the shaft. I did that once on my BX 150 and as far as I remember it was quite easy, but this time on my BX 300 it feels very tight and I would not ruin the screw by using too much or badly-used force. If anyone had an idea to do the trick, it would be a great help. 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Good luck, -- Ron ken lee wrote: > I am continuing to find problems with my 482z, the latest is that the > pinch roller assembly will not move to contact the tape when "play" > is pressed, the tape head assembly moves and seats correctly but the > tape is moved at an unregulated speed by the reel motor only, ie it is > not turning at the correct capstan motor speed because of the lack of > drive from the capstan rollers still in their rest position, any ideas > would be appreciated before i have to disassemble anything > Ken (Melbourne Australia) From mfallon at windstream.net Tue Dec 30 22:38:47 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:38:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell used tapes for sale In-Reply-To: <20081213134633.4X34A.348762.root@ispmxfep16-z02> Message-ID: <20081230153847.1UW9F.600525.root@ispmxfep14-z01> I have two batches of gently used tapes for sale. There are 30 tapes in each batch. I am asking $30 for each batch (price includes postage) If you'd want them both, I'll also throw in a 'like-new' jumbo-sized, 60 tape Caselogic case for another $5 for a total of $65 (includes postage). Here is a breakdown of what I have. > > Batch one > TDK SA-90 7 > TDK SAX-90 8 > TDK D-90 12 > TDK MA-110 3 > > Batch two > Sony UX-90 7 > Sony UCX-90 3 > Sony UC-ES90 1 > Sony UX-100 1 > Sony UX-60 1 > Sony LNX-90 1 > Sony HF-S60 4 > Sony LNX-90 1 > Sony ES-II90 1 > Maxell XLII-90 Gold/(Epitaxial) 10 > > > thanks, > Mike > From bernardsda at hotmail.com Wed Dec 31 02:54:30 2008 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:54:30 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? In-Reply-To: <8CB38BF2B148118-1A8-20D@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB38BF2B148118-1A8-20D@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the correction on the RAMM! I was trying desperately to remember what I had seen (I came across a ZXE in Seoul a few years ago). I notice a mistake on my original letter: I said the machine looked similar to a ZXE, minus some of the lights; of course, I meant similar to a 700ZXL! I'd be interested to know, since it seems they were manufactured a little after the ZXLs, if the ZXEs contained any electronic 'improvements' to the slightly earlier ZXLs. Take the 680 series, for example. Although the 680ZX is regarded as a wonderful machine with a terrific, deep bass, the slightly later 682ZX is said to have superior auto-calibration, yet not the same powerful bass of the 680ZX. Bernard To: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE?Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:57:10 -0500From: boeing747600 at aol.comHi , As a proud owner of a 700ZXE i can tell you that yes this deck does has RAMM! facility Also it has Auto Calibration which automatically calibrate or optimize the bias, level and record azimuth for the particular tape you have inserted in it i.e. metal(zx setting) SX( like tdk sa tape) or EX(low noise tape) . After this machine has sucessfully calibrated the tape you can expect recording quality that will blow you away!! This machine is next to 1000ZXL in terms of the finest Nakamichi Cassette deck , this coming from an owner who has also owned the 700ZXL ( I prefer the 700ZXE) , the CR7A and also own the Namkamichi Dragon. The wide dynamic range of the 700ZXE is astonishing! to say the least! You simply have to own and hear one to understand what I am trying to tell you. make sure that its has the orange caps replaced and if possible all of the electrolytic caps which is real hard work and see that its calibrated accordi! ng to the service manual Afterward you can enjoy! and yes IT WILL BE WORTH IT! . Thanks! Ali-----Original Message-----From: Bernard White To: naktalk at naks.comSent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 1:58 amSubject: RE: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? Off the top of my head: the ZXE was a slightly later model - by a couple of years, I THINK, probably around 1982. It retailed for around the same price as the Dragon - some $US2400 (compared to $3000 for the 700 and $3800 for the 1000). Unlike both the ZXLs, the ZXE did not have ABLE or RAMM, though it did have recording calibration facilities. As for what's under the bonnet, I have no idea. Size- and appearance-wise, it's very similar to the 700 ZXE, except that you'll notice the absence of lights (eg. RAMM lights). One ebay seller a few years ago made the quip that the ZXE made the the Dragon sound like a salamander by comparison!! I wonder if that's true? Someone will no doubt correct me if my memory has served me ill here! Bernard White From: emberphoto at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:30:00 -0500Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? Hi All, I've been reading with interest the various posts comparing the 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL.On a related note...In late summer, I found on ebay, a listing for a mint 700 ZXE. I decided to add it, as the first "Golden Age" Nakamichi machine to my growing (over-grown?) Nak stable. I'm embarrassed to say, due to an impossibly over-committed schedule over the last half of '08, I've not yet opened the shipping carton -- nonetheless, I trust the seller, from whom I earlier purchased an absolutely mint Aiwa XK-S9000, which has been giving sterling service for the better part of a year. Anyhow, I do look forward to setting it up early in the New Year, and to belatedly enjoy my early Christmas gift to myself.The question I have for now -- and I know one or more of the experts on the forum can fill me in -- is: Where does the 700 ZXE fit into this period of Nakamichi?Many thanks, and a Happy Holiday Season to all!Steve Ember Find out at the SEEK Salary Centre Are you getting paid enough? = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations – including songs for the holidays – FREE while you browse. Start Listening Now! _________________________________________________________________ Are you getting paid enough? Find out at the SEEK Salary Centre http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fmsn%2Eseek%2Eco%2Enz%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Atl%3Anzsc%3Amsnnz%3A0%3Ahottag%3Apaidenough&_t=757263783&_r=SEEKNZ_tagline&_m=EXT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 05:13:46 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:13:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <154032.23436.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This seems to be a phenomenon with cassette decks especially, and something not something exclusive with Nakamichis. As the years went by, the newer decks didn't necesarily meant an improvement over the older ones. A possibility is that their competitors during the 70s and early 80s were open reel, but later in the decade, compact discs became their primary focus. This could be a factor in defining the sonic character of later cassette decks. Rgds Bernard White wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { font-size: 10pt; font-family:Verdana } Thanks for the correction on the RAMM! I was trying desperately to remember what I had seen (I came across a ZXE in Seoul a few years ago). I notice a mistake on my original letter: I said the machine looked similar to a ZXE, minus some of the lights; of course, I meant similar to a 700ZXL! I'd be interested to know, since it seems they were manufactured a little after the ZXLs, if the ZXEs contained any electronic 'improvements' to the slightly earlier ZXLs. Take the 680 series, for example. Although the 680ZX is regarded as a wonderful machine with a terrific, deep bass, the slightly later 682ZX is said to have superior auto-calibration, yet not the same powerful bass of the 680ZX. Bernard --------------------------------- To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:57:10 -0500 From: boeing747600 at aol.com Hi , As a proud owner of a 700ZXE i can tell you that yes this deck does has RAMM! facility Also it has Auto Calibration which automatically calibrate or optimize the bias, level and record azimuth for the particular tape you have inserted in it i.e. metal(zx setting) SX( like tdk sa tape) or EX(low noise tape) . After this machine has sucessfully calibrated the tape you can expect recording quality that will blow you away!! This machine is next to 1000ZXL in terms of the finest Nakamichi Cassette deck , this coming from an owner who has also owned the 700ZXL ( I prefer the 700ZXE) , the CR7A and also own the Namkamichi Dragon. The wide dynamic range of the 700ZXE is astonishing! to say the least! You simply have to own and hear one to understand what I am trying to tell you. make sure that its has the orange caps replaced and if possible all of the electrolytic caps which is real hard work and see that its calibrated accordi! ng to the service manual Afterward you can enjoy! and yes IT WILL BE WORTH IT! . Thanks! Ali -----Original Message----- From: Bernard White To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 1:58 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? .ExternalClass #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_b52bb28b-b3c1-459e-a735-8eb4e558d057 .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_b52bb28b-b3c1-459e-a735-8eb4e558d057 body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Off the top of my head: the ZXE was a slightly later model - by a couple of years, I THINK, probably around 1982. It retailed for around the same price as the Dragon - some $US2400 (compared to $3000 for the 700 and $3800 for the 1000). Unlike both the ZXLs, the ZXE did not have ABLE or RAMM, though it did have recording calibration facilities. As for what's under the bonnet, I have no idea. Size- and appearance-wise, it's very similar to the 700 ZXE, except that you'll notice the absence of lights (eg. RAMM lights). One ebay seller a few years ago made the quip that the ZXE made the the Dragon sound like a salamander by comparison!! I wonder if that's true? Someone will no doubt correct me if my memory has served me ill here! Bernard White --------------------------------- From: emberphoto at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:30:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? .ExternalClass #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_b52bb28b-b3c1-459e-a735-8eb4e558d057 .EC_ExternalClass .EC_EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_b52bb28b-b3c1-459e-a735-8eb4e558d057 .EC_ExternalClass body.EC_EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Hi All, I've been reading with interest the various posts comparing the 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL. On a related note... In late summer, I found on ebay, a listing for a mint 700 ZXE. I decided to add it, as the first "Golden Age" Nakamichi machine to my growing (over-grown?) Nak stable. I'm embarrassed to say, due to an impossibly over-committed schedule over the last half of '08, I've not yet opened the shipping carton -- nonetheless, I trust the seller, from whom I earlier purchased an absolutely mint Aiwa XK-S9000, which has been giving sterling service for the better part of a year. Anyhow, I do look forward to setting it up early in the New Year, and to belatedly enjoy my early Christmas gift to myself. The question I have for now -- and I know one or more of the experts on the forum can fill me in -- is: Where does the 700 ZXE fit into this period of Nakamichi? Many thanks, and a Happy Holiday Season to all! 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For deep bass, try to playback Vangelis's Antartica Soundtrack and you will experience how low the 680ZX or the 670ZX can go.   Mike --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Bernard White wrote: From: Bernard White Subject: RE: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 7:54 PM #yiv1223274122 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1223274122 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Thanks for the correction on the RAMM! I was trying desperately to remember what I had seen (I came across a ZXE in Seoul a few years ago). I notice a mistake on my original letter: I said the machine looked similar to a ZXE, minus some of the lights; of course, I meant similar to a 700ZXL! I'd be interested to know, since it seems they were manufactured a little after the ZXLs, if the ZXEs contained any electronic 'improvements' to the slightly earlier ZXLs. Take the 680 series, for example. Although the 680ZX is regarded as a wonderful machine with a terrific, deep bass, the slightly later 682ZX is said to have superior auto-calibration, yet not the same powerful bass of the 680ZX.   Bernard To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:57:10 -0500 From: boeing747600 at aol.com Hi , As a proud owner of a 700ZXE i can tell you that yes this deck does has RAMM! facility  Also it has Auto Calibration which automatically calibrate or optimize the bias, level and record azimuth for the particular tape you have inserted in it i.e. metal(zx setting) SX( like tdk sa tape) or EX(low noise tape) . After this machine has sucessfully calibrated the tape you can expect recording quality  that will blow you away!! This machine is next to 1000ZXL in terms of the finest Nakamichi Cassette deck , this coming from an owner who has also owned the 700ZXL ( I prefer the 700ZXE)  , the CR7A and also own the Namkamichi Dragon.  The wide dynamic range of the 700ZXE is astonishing! to say the least!  You simply have to own and hear one to understand what I am trying to tell you. make sure that its has the orange caps replaced and if possible all of the electrolytic caps which is real hard work and see that its calibrated accordi! ng to the service manual  Afterward you can enjoy! and yes IT WILL BE WORTH IT! . Thanks! Ali -----Original Message----- From: Bernard White To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 1:58 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? #yiv1223274122 .ExternalClass #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_b52bb28b-b3c1-459e-a735-8eb4e558d057 .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} #yiv1223274122 .ExternalClass #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_b52bb28b-b3c1-459e-a735-8eb4e558d057 body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Off the top of my head: the ZXE was a slightly later model - by a couple of years, I THINK, probably around 1982. It retailed for around the same price as the Dragon - some $US2400 (compared to $3000 for the 700 and $3800 for the 1000). Unlike both the ZXLs, the ZXE did not have ABLE or RAMM, though it did have recording calibration facilities. As for what's under the bonnet, I have no idea. Size- and appearance-wise, it's very similar to the 700 ZXE, except that you'll notice the absence of lights (eg. RAMM lights).   One ebay seller a few years ago made the quip that the ZXE made the the Dragon sound like a salamander by comparison!! I wonder if that's true?   Someone will no doubt correct me if my memory has served me ill here!   Bernard White From: emberphoto at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:30:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? #yiv1223274122 .ExternalClass #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_b52bb28b-b3c1-459e-a735-8eb4e558d057 .EC_ExternalClass .EC_EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} #yiv1223274122 .ExternalClass #EC_AOLMsgPart_3_b52bb28b-b3c1-459e-a735-8eb4e558d057 .EC_ExternalClass body.EC_EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Hi All, I've been reading with interest the various posts comparing the 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL. On a related note... In late summer, I found on ebay, a listing for a mint 700 ZXE.  I decided to add it, as the first "Golden Age" Nakamichi machine to my growing (over-grown?) Nak stable. I'm embarrassed to say, due to an impossibly over-committed schedule over the last half of '08, I've not yet opened the shipping carton -- nonetheless, I trust the seller, from whom I earlier purchased an absolutely mint Aiwa XK-S9000, which has been giving sterling service for the better part of a year.  Anyhow, I do look forward to setting it up early in the New Year, and to belatedly enjoy my early Christmas gift to myself. The question I have for now -- and I know one or more of the experts on the forum can fill me in -- is: Where does the 700 ZXE fit into this period of Nakamichi? Many thanks, and a Happy Holiday Season to all! 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Find out at the SEEK Salary Centre Are you getting paid enough? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 05:51:26 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:51:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:1000ZXL versus 700ZXL In-Reply-To: <516472.2110.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <67516.99505.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kevin, It is a technical marvel, and looking at the circuit, you would never guess that it actually works! Comparing it to later decks like the CR7 which has a similar auto-cal system, the 700ZXL does seem aged, clunky and complicated. But it still works! The Aiwa F series decks are seriously the decks to go for as far as Aiwa is concerned. Many know the Excelia and the XK-9000S better, but again this is more of a marketing thing. The F series decks pack a long list of features such as auto-calibration, flourescent meters, real-time/linear counter, auto- head demagnetizing etc, depending on the model. A complete list of features can be found on the vintage cassette deck website. Sound-wise, it has a very warm, pleasing sound with good soundstaging. The bass is not very low, nor does it posses extended highs. But this is a cassette deck that you can listen to for very long hours without tiring one's ears. I have a AD-F990 which has been in my house since '83. Tapes made on this deck 20 years ago, out-perform CDs today! Build quality is, sadly, downright cheesy. Drugstore quality? Right! The chassis is pressed sheet metal and the wiring is a tangled rat's nest. The transport mechanism is incredibly complex and fragile. It is becoming more difficult to maintain these decks due to the fragility and lack of parts. The AD-F, and earlier AD series decks however, have a charm of their own. Rgds, Bala Kevin Fetner wrote: Hi Bala, Thanks a lot for that description/comparison-excellent! You're correct, the brochures don't do the differences justice. And yeah, I thought the A.B.L.E. system was controlled by a micro-processor...hmmmmmm. Funny you should mention the Aiwa F series-that's the cassette 'bootleggers' deck (I mentioned in another post) that I'm waiting almost two yrs for.;-) It has some novel features, but build quality is 'drugstore brand'. Kevin Message: 3 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:37:49 -0800 (PST) From: Bala Ganesh Chandra Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL versus 700ZXL To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <91422.68096.qm at web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Kevin, There has been quite a bit said about this deck, but it's always good because the brochures do sound a little vague. The 1000ZXL and 700ZXL are quite different although they seem to spec out almost the same. The 700ZXL shares the same playback/Dolby board and a similar RAMM system with the 1000ZXL. Much of the transport related logic and auto-azimuth circuits are also similar though the circuity has been rather crammed into a smaller boards. One of the key difference is that that the ABLE system is very different from the the 1000ZXL. It isn't controlled by a micro-processor (although all available literature suggests that it does) but uses sequential logic made up of multiple logic circuits. The good news is that this is fixable as parts are plentiful. The bad news is that it can be a pain to troubleshoot! The auto-calibration uses only two frequencies 400Hz for level and 15kHz for the bias adjustment. A third frequency (7kHz) is used to linearize the EQ. This differs greatly from the 1000ZXL's ABLE computer which does use a micro-processor, and uses 4 different frequencies for a true calibration irregardless of tape type inserted. The 1000ZXL, in my opinion, is a more through system that features a micro-processor. The processor, is a 4-bit PMOS model that has seen widespread use in some of the best cassette decks made during the late 70s and early 80s. This include the Aiwa F series (990, 880, 660 etc) and Aiwa 6700, 6900 and 6900II. Sound wise, these two decks differ quite a bit. The 1000ZXL has a more bigger sound, with deep and wide soundstage. The bass is more deeper, perhaps thanks to its more generous power supplies. The 700ZXL sounds slightly closed in, and the bass is not as refined as it's bigger cousin. It does however have equally sweet highs and capable of bringing out the best out of pre-recorded tapes if azimuth is in sync, as with the 1000ZXL. With the amount of engineering differences, Nakamichi seems to have cut lots of cost, though this also results in differences in sound quality. The 700ZXL is however very close up there to the 1000ZXL. They however, don't seem to be build for longevity and chassis stiffness leaves much to be desired. One thing I would love is to have LP's LED upgrade kit for the control compartment illumination! Rgds, Bala ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 07:47:47 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:47:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 In-Reply-To: <8CB386AD4F24D34-1370-1A9B@WEBMAIL-DY21.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <359601.23512.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Always welcome Ben. A very happy new year to you, and your loved ones. Best Regards, Ba;a benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: Many thanks Bala for a satisfactory conclusion to our issue. May I wish you and all a very happy new year and lets move on to bigger and better things. Best Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 3:59 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 Hi Wouter, This is the very reason why I posted days before the new year as I am hoping that 2009 onwards will be more constructive for Naktalk. Hopefully, we have more members undestanding that Naktalk is not a place to show off their golden fleece, gripe and complain. It is a place that has helped a lot of people with their Naks and has helped build a global community. Let us all work towards a more graceful and constructive place. Rgds, Bala Wouter Heijke wrote: I hope that once we sorted all of this out, and preferrably before the end of the year, we can start 2009 without any problems between members. Let 2009 become year with new exciting projects and more nak knowledge gained by all members. Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Dec 31 15:39:59 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:39:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo transport, reel motor In-Reply-To: <1FE9794DCE544FD09B94547DD3EE8754@CLO2842> References: <1FE9794DCE544FD09B94547DD3EE8754@CLO2842> Message-ID: <495B843F.7030701@verizon.net> Claude, First, you need to remove the reel motor assembly. I recently posted instructions on how to do this on a CR-7. The BX-300 transport is the same. See if you can locate that post in the NakTalk archives. Once you have the motor in your hand, remove the paint (usually green) holding the set screw and the shaft to the brass pulley, with a sharp pointer, Heat a soldering iron (at least 800°F). Clean the tip of any solder remnants. While holding the motor body, press the hot soldering iron to the top of the brass pulley for several seconds -- just long enough to heat the brass pulley without heating the motor shaft. Immediately, undo the set screw. It should release fairly easily. Hope this helps, -- Ron Claude BONNAFOUS wrote: > Hi everybody, Nak enthusiasts and specialists, very strange to think > you are writing to people living in all parts of the world! > As I am new on Naktalk, I have tried to find an old (!) thread > about this problem, but I've found none so far: > because it is necessary to refurbish or clean > the reel motor-suffers from dead spots- I must first remove the brassy > cylinder on the drive shaft, and for that undo the tiny headless screw > that holds it on the shaft. I did that once on my BX 150 and as far as > I remember it was quite easy, but this time on my BX 300 it feels very > tight and I would not ruin the screw by using too much or badly-used > force. If anyone had an idea to do the trick, it would be a great help. > Many thanks... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 31 16:01:05 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:01:05 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 Message-ID: <32270852.1230735665262.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Manos, It is a shame that US consumption dictates world economic health. How I wish we could learn to reduce our material possesions. Recycling Nakamichis is both honorable and conservative! Now you have to tell us what goodies you bought in your eBay grab bag! Happy New Year to all. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Emmanuel Komninos >Sent: Dec 30, 2008 4:03 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 > >Dear all >I want to extend my warmest wishes for a prosperous and Happy New Year >to all members of this great forum and their families and a special >thanks to Wouter for keeping up and maintaining this site all these >years, along with the contribution of our NAK "gurus" from all around >the world!!! >I am a member only since 2005 (if i can recall ...) and have learned a >lot for my beloved NAKs by just reading and keeping up with the >forum......(It also pushed me to acquire more NAKs and eventually i have >ended up with 11 of them...........) Now, with the international recess >still in progress, the only thing i want is to be able to maintain them >in good working order and this forum is the "best deal" worldwide to >archive it!!!! >I hope the year 2009 will be a fruitful one and that it will bring the >ongoing projects (test tapes etc) closer to success for the sake of our >Naks. >Lets leave behind everything that hurt us during 2008 and look ahead >with the hope that the best is yet to come! >Manos - Athens - Greece > > > > > >Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: >> Happy New Year to you and your family Jayson. >> >> Rgds, >> Bala >> >> */jayson levitz /* wrote: >> >> Bala, >> >> Well said. >> >> I have learned a lot myself since joining Naktalk last Feb. >> >> Happy New Year to you too and everyone else on Naktalk. >> >> Jayson >> >> --- On *Fri, 12/26/08, Bala Ganesh Chandra //* >> wrote: >> >> From: Bala Ganesh Chandra >> Subject: [naktalk] Stepping into 2009 >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 3:04 AM >> >> >> Dear All, >> >> As the New Year approaches, and we prepare for an >> unprecendented year ahead, I would like to wish all friends >> here a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year ahead. >> >> As we prepare for the difficult times, one of the few things >> that help us forget such tough times are music, which our >> beloved Nakamichis bring us. My own few years of experience >> with cassettes has been an emotional journey which has been >> filled with joy, exhiliration, frustration, sadness, >> excitement and amazement. >> >> Cassettes have yet to cease being exciting and looking back at >> past years, the year ahead is going to be even more exciting. >> I have always shared what I know here on Naktalk, and have >> tried to give back what Naktalk has given to me. If we look >> among our equipment and tools, the most valuable tool has to >> be Naktalk.It alone has the power to bring people spread >> across continents together and help one another. Undeniably, >> Naktalk has become more then just a mailing list. >> >> Over the course of this year, I have had a number of private >> emails asking me why I had not shared as much as I had in >> previous years and about my sudden absence here in Naktalk. I >> have always tried to be helpful as I have acceeded to many >> people's request for help. One such request came to me from >> very far. This particular person had a troubled deck which was >> sent for repairs but unfortunately was still giving problems. >> I accepted this job for a modest price and the deck was sent >> to me. What evnetually transpired was a deck fraught with >> mutlple problems and even missing components. >> >> In the mean time, this person accquired another similar deck >> of a special version which again had problems. This time I >> isolated the problems via telephone and had him send >> just the problem cards to me in order to trim shipping costs >> and avoid any shipping mishaps. After repair and heavy >> testing, the cards were sent back to him. I do understand that >> this person waxes lyrical about this deck. I have been also >> told that this deck has emerged 'winner' in the recent trial >> against the 'Dragonized' ZXL. >> >> As for his earlier deck, much of the repair had been completed >> and this person paid a visit to see the deck playback in >> person! During his visit, he even brought additional decks for >> service. However due to the nature of the fault, the deck kept >> failing and within months of his visit, this person started >> sending mails and threatening over the phone. One of his >> emails eventually showed that he was pressured by his friend >> to ask for his deck back. The persons's items were eventually >> sent back, and a full refund of his payment was made. >> >> I had decided not to speak out about this episode as I had >> made the mistake of procastinating the shipment of this deck >> due to personal reasons. This person however mailed a number >> of people and attempted to paint a bad picture of me. Being >> friends who knew me better, they started mailing, and even >> calling me to find out what really happened. These people >> have been the reasons why I came back to Naktalk and have >> asked me to speak up. A big thank you to all of you - you know >> who you are. >> >> There have been people who have held repair jobs far, far >> longer then I had. There have been more malicious and vicious >> people who have tried and sometimes failed to spread rumours. >> While I have spoken very harshly against a number of members, >> I bear malice against no one here as we all have a common >> pursuit. There are a number of people who provide service for >> Naks and what you pay is what you get. This message is not >> meant to dig up a problem but to satisfy those who have >> repeatedly ask me to speak up as they see an injustice being >> done. I have done so although this matter has been laid to >> rest within me a long time ago. >> >> As we go into the new year, there are more things to discover, >> more to learn, and more to share. Naktalk continues to be a >> treasure trove of knowledge and discovery as it holds many >> knowledgeable and experienced people. I contribute where I can >> although I have never claimed or aspired to be a leader or a >> 'know-all'. No matter how high we are, we still have so much >> to learn. Let us look beyond op-amps, tubes, transistors and >> other smaller things and see the brotherhood that Naktalk has >> become. >> >> Let us all step into 2009 with bigger things in mind . >> >> Best Regards to Nakkers and their families, >> Bala >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 31 16:46:54 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:46:54 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Maxell used tapes for sale Message-ID: <5086046.1230738414388.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I'd like "batch one" without the carry case. I can send check, paypal, or send the casy by courier ;) tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: mfallon at windstream.net >Sent: Dec 30, 2008 3:38 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Maxell used tapes for sale > > > >I have two batches of gently used tapes for sale. >There are 30 tapes in each batch. I am asking $30 for each batch (price includes postage) > >If you'd want them both, I'll also throw in a 'like-new' jumbo-sized, 60 tape Caselogic case for another $5 for a total of $65 (includes postage). Here is a breakdown of what I have. >> >> Batch one >> TDK SA-90 7 >> TDK SAX-90 8 >> TDK D-90 12 >> TDK MA-110 3 >> >> Batch two >> Sony UX-90 7 >> Sony UCX-90 3 >> Sony UC-ES90 1 >> Sony UX-100 1 >> Sony UX-60 1 >> Sony LNX-90 1 >> Sony HF-S60 4 >> Sony LNX-90 1 >> Sony ES-II90 1 >> Maxell XLII-90 Gold/(Epitaxial) 10 >> > >> >> thanks, >> Mike >> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Dec 31 16:48:20 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:48:20 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo transport, reel motor Message-ID: <11359875.1230738500599.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at verizon.net Wed Dec 31 16:56:28 2008 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:56:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? In-Reply-To: <104508.85175.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <104508.85175.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0KCR001TK0A5CAD0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> I keep hearing a LOT about the 670 and 680 series. Is the bass response relatively flat down to ???hz or is it an artificially created sweetspot? I've listened to those cheap multi-unit stereo systems that basically go boom, boom, boom and I know I have some friends that mistake that as bass response. At 11:29 PM 12/30/2008, you wrote: >Benard: > The 682ZX has more flexibilty as a > recording machine which I perfer over the > 680ZX. For deep bass, try to playback > Vangelis's Antartica Soundtrack and you will > experience how low the 680ZX or the 670ZX can go. > >Mike > >--- On Tue, 12/30/08, Bernard White wrote: >From: Bernard White >Subject: RE: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 7:54 PM > >Thanks for the correction on the RAMM! I was >trying desperately to remember what I had seen >(I came across a ZXE in Seoul a few years ago). >I notice a mistake on my original letter: I said >the machine looked similar to a ZXE, minus some >of the lights; of course, I meant similar to a 700ZXL! >I'd be interested to know, since it seems they >were manufactured a little after the ZXLs, if >the ZXEs contained any electronic 'improvements' >to the slightly earlier ZXLs. Take the 680 >series, for example. Although the 680ZX is >regarded as a wonderful machine with a terrific, >deep bass, the slightly later 682ZX is said to >have superior auto-calibration, yet not the same powerful bass of the 680ZX. > >Bernard > > > >---------- > >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? >Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:57:10 -0500 >From: boeing747600 at aol.com > > >Hi , As a proud owner of a 700ZXE i can tell you >that yes this deck does has RAMM! facility Also >it has Auto Calibration which automatically >calibrate or optimize the bias, level and record >azimuth for the particular tape you have >inserted in it i.e. metal(zx setting) SX( like >tdk sa tape) or EX(low noise tape) . After this >machine has sucessfully calibrated the tape you >can expect recording quality that will blow you >away!! This machine is next to 1000ZXL in terms >of the finest Nakamichi Cassette deck , this >coming from an owner who has also owned the >700ZXL ( I prefer the 700ZXE) , the CR7A and >also own the Namkamichi Dragon. The wide >dynamic range of the 700ZXE is astonishing! to >say the least! You simply have to own and hear >one to understand what I am trying to tell you. >make sure that its has the orange caps replaced >and if possible all of the electrolytic caps >which is real hard work and see that its >calibrated accordi! ng to the service >manual Afterward you can enjoy! and yes IT WILL BE WORTH IT! . Thanks! Ali > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bernard White >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 1:58 am >Subject: RE: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? > > >Off the top of my head: the ZXE was a slightly >later model - by a couple of years, I THINK, >probably around 1982. It retailed for around the >same price as the Dragon - some $US2400 >(compared to $3000 for the 700 and $3800 for the >1000). Unlike both the ZXLs, the ZXE did not >have ABLE or RAMM, though it did have recording >calibration facilities. As for what's under the >bonnet, I have no idea. Size- and >appearance-wise, it's very similar to the 700 >ZXE, except that you'll notice the absence of lights (eg. RAMM lights). > >One ebay seller a few years ago made the quip >that the ZXE made the the Dragon sound like a >salamander by comparison!! I wonder if that's true? > >Someone will no doubt correct me if my memory has served me ill here! > >Bernard White > > > >---------- > >From: emberphoto at hotmail.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:30:00 -0500 >Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? > >Hi All, > >I've been reading with interest the various >posts comparing the 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL. > >On a related note... > >In late summer, I found on ebay, a listing for a >mint 700 ZXE. I decided to add it, as the first >"Golden Age" Nakamichi machine to my growing (over-grown?) Nak stable. > >I'm embarrassed to say, due to an impossibly >over-committed schedule over the last half of >'08, I've not yet opened the shipping carton -- >nonetheless, I trust the seller, from whom I >earlier purchased an absolutely mint Aiwa >XK-S9000, which has been giving sterling service >for the better part of a year. > >Anyhow, I do look forward to setting it up early >in the New Year, and to belatedly enjoy my early Christmas gift to myself. > >The question I have for now -- and I know one or >more of the experts on the forum can fill me in >-- is: Where does the 700 ZXE fit into this period of Nakamichi? > >Many thanks, and a Happy Holiday Season to all! > >Steve Ember > > > > > > > > >---------- >Find out at the SEEK Salary Centre >Are >you getting paid enough? = > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: >http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >---------- >Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio >stations – including songs for the holidays – >FREE while you browse. >Start >Listening Now! > > >---------- >Find out at the SEEK Salary Centre >Are >you getting paid enough? > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at verizon.net Wed Dec 31 16:59:17 2008 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:59:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo transport, reel motor In-Reply-To: <495B843F.7030701@verizon.net> References: <1FE9794DCE544FD09B94547DD3EE8754@CLO2842> <495B843F.7030701@verizon.net> Message-ID: <0KCR00MCL0EUPME1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Ron, Is this the article that you were referring by Andy? http://www.vintagecassette.com/naksarticle.jsp?article=77171 At 09:39 AM 12/31/2008, you wrote: >Claude, > >First, you need to remove the reel motor assembly. I recently >posted instructions on how to do this on a CR-7. The BX-300 >transport is the same. See if you can locate that post in the >NakTalk archives. Once you have the motor in your hand, >remove the paint (usually green) holding the set screw and the >shaft to the brass pulley, with a sharp pointer, > >Heat a soldering iron (at least 800°F). Clean the tip of any solder >remnants. While holding the motor body, press the hot soldering >iron to the top of the brass pulley for several seconds -- just long >enough to heat the brass pulley without heating the motor shaft. >Immediately, undo the set screw. It should release fairly easily. > >Hope this helps, > >-- Ron > > > >Claude BONNAFOUS wrote: >>Hi everybody, Nak enthusiasts and specialists, >>very strange to think you are writing to people >>living in all parts of the world! >> As I am new on Naktalk, I have tried >> to find an old (!) thread about this problem, but I've found none so far: >> because it is >> necessary to refurbish or clean the reel >> motor-suffers from dead spots- I must first >> remove the brassy cylinder on the drive shaft, >> and for that undo the tiny headless screw that >> holds it on the shaft. I did that once on my >> BX 150 and as far as I remember it was quite >> easy, but this time on my BX 300 it feels very >> tight and I would not ruin the screw by using >> too much or badly-used force. If anyone had an >> idea to do the trick, it would be a great help. >> Many thanks... > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 17:31:02 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:31:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:So, what about the 700 ZXE? Message-ID: <694952.93449.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> This place has been sort of my Bible for cassette deck info. It publishes all the features the decks came with, their production run and how much they cost new. http://www.vintagecassette.com They say the 700ZXL was made 1980-'82 and the 700ZXE was made from 1981-'82. Very similar features and both say micro-possessors used (Bala says no on this). In their site, they don't say the ZXE has full A.B.L.E., but does have auto bias, auto level. Also, it doesn't say that the ZXE has memory storage for the various tapes used like the ZXL. It's a bit confusing, so I'd certainly defect to the knowledgeable opinions here.  $600 difference, so they trimmed something out I suspect. Kevin Message: 14 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:33:32 -0800 (PST) From: jayson levitz Subject: RE: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <984981.58625.qm at web55107.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Steve and Bernard.   I sent this yesterday to Steve.  I do not know if he received it or not so here it is again, this time to both of you.    Go to web site nakamichi.us.  On the left side you will see Nakamichi Models.  Click on this and you will see a complete list of all Nakamichi cassette decks, the year they were sold and the last known retail prices.  As this list shows, your 700 ZXE was sold from 1981 to 1982 for $2,400.   P.S.  This is actually the Nakamichi portion of the web site of ESL.   Regards, Jayson   --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Bernard White wrote: From: Bernard White Subject: RE: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 1:58 AM #yiv1724222341 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1724222341 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Off the top of my head: the ZXE was a slightly later model - by a couple of years, I THINK, probably around 1982. It retailed for around the same price as the Dragon - some $US2400 (compared to $3000 for the 700 and $3800 for the 1000). Unlike both the ZXLs, the ZXE did not have ABLE or RAMM, though it did have recording calibration facilities. As for what's under the bonnet, I have no idea. Size- and appearance-wise, it's very similar to the 700 ZXE, except that you'll notice the absence of lights (eg. RAMM lights).   One ebay seller a few years ago made the quip that the ZXE made the the Dragon sound like a salamander by comparison!! I wonder if that's true?   Someone will no doubt correct me if my memory has served me ill here!   Bernard White From: emberphoto at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:30:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? #yiv1724222341 .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} #yiv1724222341 .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Hi All, I've been reading with interest the various posts comparing the 1000 ZXL and 700 ZXL. On a related note... In late summer, I found on ebay, a listing for a mint 700 ZXE.  I decided to add it, as the first "Golden Age" Nakamichi machine to my growing (over-grown?) Nak stable. I'm embarrassed to say, due to an impossibly over-committed schedule over the last half of '08, I've not yet opened the shipping carton -- nonetheless, I trust the seller, from whom I earlier purchased an absolutely mint Aiwa XK-S9000, which has been giving sterling service for the better part of a year.  Anyhow, I do look forward to setting it up early in the New Year, and to belatedly enjoy my early Christmas gift to myself. The question I have for now -- and I know one or more of the experts on the forum can fill me in -- is: Where does the 700 ZXE fit into this period of Nakamichi? Many thanks, and a Happy Holiday Season to all! Steve Ember -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 17:41:07 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 08:41:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:So, what about the 700 ZXE? In-Reply-To: <200812311102.mBVB1WsV000593@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <805887.41796.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> No offense Ali, but that's almost hearsay. I appreciate the fact that you owned both the 700XZL and the 700ZXE, but you'd have to compare them TOGETHER in A/B/X listening tests with the same material, volume levels etc. It it goes without saying that they would both have to be fully restored, tested and aligned first. Kevin Message: 15 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:57:10 -0500 From: boeing747600 at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8CB38BF2B148118-1A8-20D at FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi , As a proud?owner of a 700ZXE i can tell you that yes?this deck does?has?RAMM! facility? Also it has Auto Calibration which automatically calibrate or optimize the bias, level and record azimuth for the particular tape you have inserted in it i.e. metal(zx setting) SX( like tdk sa tape) or EX(low noise tape) . After this machine has sucessfully calibrated the tape you can expect recording quality ?that will blow you away!! This machine is next to 1000ZXL in terms of the finest Nakamichi Cassette deck , this coming from an owner who has also owned the 700ZXL ( I prefer the 700ZXE)? , the CR7A and also own the Namkamichi Dragon.? The wide dynamic range of the 700ZXE is astonishing! to say the least!? You simply have to own and hear one to understand what I am trying to tell you. make sure that its has the orange caps replaced and if possible all of the electrolytic caps which is real hard work and see that its calibrated according to the service manual? Afterward you?can e! njoy! and yes IT WILL BE?WORTH IT!?. Thanks! 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If the heads, electronics, tapes, etc. are all in the same condition you would expect the same quality of record and playback. You should choose between them based on condition first. I believe Willy has worked on the ZXE as well as the ZXL and could tell us if there is any meaningful difference in the boards other than RAMM and Auto-Cal. David --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Bernard White wrote: > From: Bernard White > Subject: RE: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 5:54 PM > Thanks for the correction on the RAMM! I was trying > desperately to remember what I had seen (I came across a ZXE > in Seoul a few years ago). I notice a mistake on my original > letter: I said the machine looked similar to a ZXE, minus > some of the lights; of course, I meant similar to a 700ZXL! > I'd be interested to know, since it seems they were > manufactured a little after the ZXLs, if the ZXEs contained > any electronic 'improvements' to the slightly > earlier ZXLs. Take the 680 series, for example. Although the > 680ZX is regarded as a wonderful machine with a terrific, > deep bass, the slightly later 682ZX is said to have superior > auto-calibration, yet not the same powerful bass of the > 680ZX. > > Bernard > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Dec 31 18:19:18 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:19:18 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? Message-ID: <13983.68.37.213.136.1230743958.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> RAMM on the ZXL decks and the other decks that have it like 700zxe and 680zx is quite different. ZXL decks 'code' (record) the track info on tape where the other decks simply 'cue' the tape for silence. The same name, same idea, different technological solution. Personally i prefer the 'simplified' system of the non-ZXL decks, it's more flexible. Wouter > > Hi , As a proud?owner of a 700ZXE i can tell you that yes?this deck > does?has?RAMM! facility? From mfallon at windstream.net Wed Dec 31 19:35:33 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:35:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell used tapes for sale In-Reply-To: <5086046.1230738414388.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20081231123533.MTUTK.605766.root@ispmxfep16-z01> both batches are gone...more later... thanks, Mike From noneyhoney at hotmail.com Wed Dec 31 20:27:32 2008 From: noneyhoney at hotmail.com (s b) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 00:57:32 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 70, Issue 31 In-Reply-To: <200812311100.mBVB04Nt000562@zxe.naks.com> References: <200812311100.mBVB04Nt000562@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hello Everybody Wishing you all a very happy and prosperous new year. Thanks to all of you for all your help and contributions that make this forum an enjoyable & informative read, and our Naks running. regards Soumi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at verizon.net Wed Dec 31 21:43:40 2008 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:43:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Best wishes to all for a prosperous New Year Message-ID: <0KCR00ME1DKTRAR3@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> I wish to see all on this group continue to donate their knowledge, time and camaraderie across all nations of the world. All contribute in one way or another even if it's to spread the Nakamichi word to our novice friends. Best wishes to all in 2009! Roland From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 22:24:35 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:24:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? In-Reply-To: <13983.68.37.213.136.1230743958.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <10355.14253.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wouter, I agree the simple RAMM as exemplified by the 680ZX decks is easier to use per se. Where I like using the ZXL RAMM is for the automatic electronic encoding of the Noise reduction and playback Eq while the recording takes place, so there are no mistakes during playback, the tragedy is, this only works amongst the ZXL decks! Ram....RAMM :) --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Wouter Heijke wrote: From: Wouter Heijke Subject: Re: [naktalk] So, what about the 700 ZXE? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 12:19 PM RAMM on the ZXL decks and the other decks that have it like 700zxe and 680zx is quite different. ZXL decks 'code' (record) the track info on tape where the other decks simply 'cue' the tape for silence. The same name, same idea, different technological solution. Personally i prefer the 'simplified' system of the non-ZXL decks, it's more flexible. Wouter > > Hi , As a proud?owner of a 700ZXE i can tell you that yes?this deck > does?has?RAMM! facility? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Soumi From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Feb 1 13:48:43 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 04:48:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] A Question about the transformers In-Reply-To: <003a01c86423$5df66180$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <636845.96619.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Genearlly the primary will have split to choose between 220V/110V - secondary will be fixed. Curent rating will be based on wattage - since the wattage is around 22W , the primary current will be 100 mA - take a safe rating of 150mA for the primary at 220 V. Wattage is not exactly the same as VA rating due to power factor at the load. kannan soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: Hi all Im trying to remove the existing power transformers and replace them with toroidal types, so i can select between 115/230V pri. The typical rating as per the label on the transformer is (i think) 22W ... so what should i select for : a) Secondary :- 15V or 24V ? b) Current :- 1A or 2A THanks Soumi ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Feb 1 15:11:20 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:11:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about the transformers In-Reply-To: <003a01c86423$5df66180$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <200801311104.m0VB0TRC011981@zxe.naks.com> <003a01c86423$5df66180$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <47A32888.5040209@rcn.com> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi all > Im trying to remove the existing power transformers and replace them > with toroidal types, so i can select between 115/230V pri. The typical > rating as per the label on the transformer is (i think) 22W ... so what > should i select for : > a) Secondary :- 15V or 24V ? > b) Current :- 1A or 2A > > THanks > Soumi > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Have you considered having the transformer rewound with dual primaries and identical secondaries? -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Feb 1 15:15:18 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:15:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] E-bay: Spare Parts, Calibration Tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47A32976.9060303@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/31/2008 12:35:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > modernizy at netscape.net writes: > > First auction is rather rare thing at E-bay: liquidation sale, a > bunch of spare parts for Naks. The parts are not specified, but > there are some photos and probably somebody will find something he > has been looking for a long time. Here is the link: > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Spare-Parts-Assortment_W0QQitemZ370017986396QQihZ024QQcategoryZ14980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > I personally am not bidding on this parts auction because Tom Brucker > put a bid in on it. Highly commendable. I wish others had the same team standard. Personally, if anyone in a n email group announced that they were bidding on am item, I would stay away. Regardless of other considerations. -- Ron From soumitra at soumitrab.com Fri Feb 1 15:42:15 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:12:15 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about the transformers References: <200801311104.m0VB0TRC011981@zxe.naks.com> <003a01c86423$5df66180$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <47A32888.5040209@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001f01c864e0$aa4a3120$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Well this is india .. after getting the transformer rewound, you can blindly reassure yourself that what you get will hugely underperform. Most people are content winding standard transformers and dont wanna give a damn to non-standard windings or quality work. Plus toroids are still not in mainstream use here. > > Have you considered having the transformer > rewound with dual primaries and identical > secondaries? > > -- Ron From soumitra at soumitrab.com Fri Feb 1 16:24:19 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:54:19 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] question about DR decks References: Message-ID: <003101c864e6$88a4b350$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> I dont know about he 2 head machines .. but i do remember reading a comparative review of the DR10 with a pioneer deck then in one of the articles in Hifi magazine i think and the DR10 was chided for its lack of performance commensurate with its name. Apparently the cost cuttin had affected the sound. Now dont quote me on this coz this is a sketchy detail and im growing older. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: soumitra at soumitrab.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] question about DR decks In a message dated 1/31/2008 11:38:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, soumitra at soumitrab.com writes: The DR1, DR2 and DR10 are 3 head machines ... with DR1 having azimuth control and DR10 being produced from 1999 onwards The rest are 2 head machines. And the 3 head machines have a spec freq range of 20hz - 21khz. I don't think anyone understood my questions. Are there any differences between the two 3 head machines that don't have azimuth? Are there any differences between the two 2 head machines? JW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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David --- Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > OK, I've got 2 questions. > > What's the difference between the DR-2 and the > DR-10? > > What's the difference between the DR-3 and the DR-8? > > JW > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From luis at peromarta.org Fri Feb 1 19:33:31 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:33:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about the transformers In-Reply-To: <003a01c86423$5df66180$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <200801311104.m0VB0TRC011981@zxe.naks.com> <003a01c86423$5df66180$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <47A365FB.1040107@peromarta.org> Soumi, Will all due respect, because you are asking this kind of questions about transformers, I have to recommend to leave the original in place. Use a step up / step down if neccesary. rgds, LP. soumitra at soumitrab.com escribió: > Hi all > Im trying to remove the existing power transformers and replace them > with toroidal types, so i can select between 115/230V pri. The typical > rating as per the label on the transformer is (i think) 22W ... so what > should i select for : > a) Secondary :- 15V or 24V ? > b) Current :- 1A or 2A > > THanks > Soumi > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Fri Feb 1 22:11:35 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:11:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes Message-ID: <002b01c86517$07a387f0$3201000a@gabrenas> A fellow nak enthusiast and I are currently seeking a full track head. I would like to start producing some alignment tapes that are produced the same way the originals. Anyone who has any knowledge or input would be appreciated. My originals are 20 plus years old. Anyone with who knows with out a doubt how these were made. Please fill me in with any information. I know Luis has some decent tapes, however I am trying to create the originals. Not in this for a profit but if this can be accomplished reasonably, I might be able to create a few more. The following tapes are whats planned: 1-3KHz wow and flutter 2-400Hz level full track 3-1KHz track alignment 4-15KHz azimuth 5-15KHz and 20KHz playback levels 6-tape guide jig and tooling to set guides. Already created. Similar to the Wollensak. FYI: I may have successfully created a track alignment at 1KHz with a null center tracks like the original. Align for minimum signal. More testing is needed to make sure of it. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From soumitra at soumitrab.com Fri Feb 1 20:26:44 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:56:44 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about the transformers References: <200801311104.m0VB0TRC011981@zxe.naks.com> <003a01c86423$5df66180$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <47A365FB.1040107@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <006e01c86508$63217560$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi Luis Thats what im doing for the moment ... but at times ive forgotten to plug the deck into the step-down transformer and went straight in to the mains socket .. so I want a all in one solution. I can disconnect the transformer and measure the characteristics but thats way more work than askin a person who would already know :) Regards Soumi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Peromarta" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about the transformers Soumi, Will all due respect, because you are asking this kind of questions about transformers, I have to recommend to leave the original in place. Use a step up / step down if neccesary. rgds, LP. From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Feb 2 02:14:35 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:14:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes In-Reply-To: <002b01c86517$07a387f0$3201000a@gabrenas> References: <002b01c86517$07a387f0$3201000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: Months ago, I mentioned that I developed the equipment (including a special tape head) to successfully produce the unusual azimuth alignment tape that has the 1 kcps tone in the margin between tracks. Not surprisingly to anyone, I converted a Nakamichi 600 for the work. I mentioned this some time ago but no one seemed interested so I let the matter drop. Nevertheless, I can make these whenever anyone wants one. The one I made for myself is quite helpful. Producing original alignment tapes to factory specifications requires more than just making an accurate recording onto a stock tape recorder with a tone sourced from an oscillator. I was in the process of creating the equipment, but again, no one showed interest so I let the matter drop. My business interests have moved on and I now do not have time to make alignment tapes, but I'd be happy to dig out my notes and assist you in setting up production. The point where I had stopped work was that I was working on reducing flutter and wow to a magnitude far below a stock deck, and I was experimenting with more efficient QC methods that were not as labor intensive as what I was using. I had devised a concept for a self- calibrating "master deck" but did not proceed with bringing it to fruition given the lack of interest I was experiencing. You will need extraordinary patience, the willingness to pay fanatical attention to detail, the ability to experience many failures before success and the money to afford a rather sizeable capital investment. Companies like MRL and Teac don't use cheap recorders, a cheap oscilloscope, a Radio Shack oscillator and crossed fingers to make their reference-quality alignment tapes. I should also mention that I found my Hewlett-Packard 200CD oscillator lacked the stability to make alignment tapes, even when retrofitted with an outboard AGC. I was in the process of designing a superior oscillator when I abandoned the work. You will need an oscillator of phenomenal frequency and amplitude stability. On Feb 1, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > A fellow nak enthusiast and I are currently seeking a full track > head. I > would like to start producing some alignment tapes that are produced > the > same way the originals. Anyone who has any knowledge or input would be > appreciated. My originals are 20 plus years old. > > Anyone with who knows with out a doubt how these were made. Please > fill me > in with any information. I know Luis has some decent tapes, however > I am > trying to create the originals. Not in this for a profit but if this > can be > accomplished reasonably, I might be able to create a few more. > > The following tapes are whats planned: > 1-3KHz wow and flutter > 2-400Hz level full track > 3-1KHz track alignment > 4-15KHz azimuth > 5-15KHz and 20KHz playback levels > 6-tape guide jig and tooling to set guides. Already created. Similar > to the > Wollensak. > > FYI: I may have successfully created a track alignment at 1KHz with > a null > center tracks like the original. Align for minimum signal. More > testing is > needed to make sure of it. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Feb 2 02:29:21 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:29:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Special cassette recorder .. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kermit I recall you were planning to make a battleship cassette recorder. Were you able to get far with your design? Gra' From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Feb 2 03:00:31 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:00:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Special cassette recorder .. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gra' On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:29 PM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > Kermit > > I recall you were planning to make a battleship cassette recorder. > Were you > able to get far with your design? > > Gra' I finished the electronics, contacted Dolby -- who replied that they no longer support their "analog products." I was thinking of developing all-valve Dolby-equivalent encoders/decoders but discovered I can buy off-the-shelf Dolby chips with no problem. I located an excellent company in the USA who makes a transport that would be perfect for the deck. The head was to be custom made of my ow design (of which I hadn't finished the design) but I've since located several existing tape heads that will give the results I require. Money for the project has run out for now, alas. All that is remaining is to have the prototype transport made then fit my electronics to it. Depending on the transport company's work load, this means that if I had enough money I could have a prototype cassette deck in four to seven months. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From luis at peromarta.org Sat Feb 2 09:50:05 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:50:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes In-Reply-To: <002b01c86517$07a387f0$3201000a@gabrenas> References: <002b01c86517$07a387f0$3201000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: <47A42EBD.5060000@peromarta.org> Hi Victor, I am willing and able to help you with the tapes. Let me know how may I help. rgds, LP. Victor Gabrenas escribió: > A fellow nak enthusiast and I are currently seeking a full track head. I > would like to start producing some alignment tapes that are produced the > same way the originals. Anyone who has any knowledge or input would be > appreciated. My originals are 20 plus years old. > > Anyone with who knows with out a doubt how these were made. Please fill me > in with any information. I know Luis has some decent tapes, however I am > trying to create the originals. Not in this for a profit but if this can be > accomplished reasonably, I might be able to create a few more. > > The following tapes are whats planned: > 1-3KHz wow and flutter > 2-400Hz level full track > 3-1KHz track alignment > 4-15KHz azimuth > 5-15KHz and 20KHz playback levels > 6-tape guide jig and tooling to set guides. Already created. Similar to the > Wollensak. > > FYI: I may have successfully created a track alignment at 1KHz with a null > center tracks like the original. Align for minimum signal. More testing is > needed to make sure of it. > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 23:12:49 2008 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:12:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes In-Reply-To: <002b01c86517$07a387f0$3201000a@gabrenas> References: <002b01c86517$07a387f0$3201000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: <6bddc1110802011412t7fcbbab9lf71e311016ee63a9@mail.gmail.com> If you re-created the track alignment tape (the toughest of all of them from what I understand) that would be epic! Let us know the particulars of what/how when you finish testing. -Tim On Feb 1, 2008 3:11 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > A fellow nak enthusiast and I are currently seeking a full track head. I > would like to start producing some alignment tapes that are produced the > same way the originals. Anyone who has any knowledge or input would be > appreciated. My originals are 20 plus years old. > > Anyone with who knows with out a doubt how these were made. Please fill me > in with any information. I know Luis has some decent tapes, however I am > trying to create the originals. Not in this for a profit but if this can > be > accomplished reasonably, I might be able to create a few more. > > The following tapes are whats planned: > 1-3KHz wow and flutter > 2-400Hz level full track > 3-1KHz track alignment > 4-15KHz azimuth > 5-15KHz and 20KHz playback levels > 6-tape guide jig and tooling to set guides. Already created. 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URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Feb 2 00:15:03 2008 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:15:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! In-Reply-To: <20080126204141.FGJA22041.fep22.mail.dk@smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl> References: <20080126204141.FGJA22041.fep22.mail.dk@smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:04:22 -0600 (GMT-06:00), Tom Brucker wrote: > > > > > >

Last year at the beginning of the "classic belt crusade" (yes, it was a crusade) I tried to estimate the economics of having the belt made to original specifications. I hope I influenced Fred in his decision. I want to convey a heartfelt "thank you" to Fred, for the investment in $4,00 belts is a huge one.

>

  Fred is sending the new belt here and I will compare it under the same conditions as the belt tests I posted last year. While that might seem to be a commercial stunt, I feel strongly that affordable classic belts alone is the key to the next 20 years of Nakamichi ownership. Our valuable Naks will increase in value since self service and factory specs will remain a possibility. Those of us in the repair business can tackle the tougher jobs and the rebuilds and charge what the reairs are worth because belts will remain in supply until the 4000 are sold.

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How long is the life expectancy of these belts? In use? And in storage? Is 4000 a number chosen to obtain a price point in manufacturing cost or a projected selling point within the factorys warranty period or some other consideration? With belts there are two main considerations besides the cost of the belt and price of getting it shipped with fees here and there. 1 - the time it can be expected to perform well, before the rubber starts to disintegrate. 2 - the amount of 1 already spent in storage at the manufacturer, seller and also any buyer who bought another merely to keep as a spare. Are there any steps the homeuser can take to prolong the life of a spare belt while it is not in use, and either still in original wrap or put into a better storage container? One thing is the a belt is packaged for sale, but packing it for storage would perhaps dictate a change in the container. What is the best temperature and humidity in which to store a rubber belt, assuming they are both to be kept constant? Will cutting off access to oxygen and carbondioxide help (shrinkwrapping)? There is little point in buying two belts when the opportunity allows, if the life of both is about the same regardless of wether special care is taken to sotre the spare or not. And Tom, is it possible for you to turn TEXT on in your posts to the mailing list? And perhaps also turn HTML off - nothing justifies the extra %1000 overhead the HTML codes add. I am aware that not everyone is able to set the format they post in: for some it is impossible to set because they use a proprietary system that allow end users very few technical choices and others could do it, but do not know how. -Mikkel From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 1 16:32:28 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:32:28 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Answer Your $%&@ E-Mail!!! Message-ID: <24190204.1201879948956.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I resemble this remark :)) Lest anyone else feel put off, I think Andy is frustrated with me. I don't make my living from Nakamichi, but I love it and love the NakTalk people. My mission, if you will, is to keep Naks going so we, the last of a dead technology, do not loose hope when our treasures break. I do have daily internal arguments about charging more and devoting more time to Naks, but haven't persuaded myself to change yet. The one defensive point I will make is that Richard Fine is at the top of the list for my abuse, having had his Dragon over a year. What I feel would work best is to let me know when there is urgency about a part or repair. Because I work with collectors, I assume everyone has backup decks. I will send the control out as that need sounds urgent. T100 parts are gonna have to wait. I have at least one parts T100, but I don't think it had the screws. My T100s are disorganized and in different places so you and Victor will have to be patient a while longer. For anyone seeking a part, my modus operandi is to save the email until I find the particular part, and then determine IF the deck should be a parts donor.If I reply when I receive the email I assume I have answered and delete it in a few days. That may be a stupid system. Contrary to impressions I do not have a horde of parts. I would love to take 2 weeks and go to CT and help ESL unpack and organize their remaining Nak inventory so there would be more on the market, but can't figure out how to make the time. Jeff Whittier sent several NakTalk parts donor units, and I have purchased a few irresistable broken Naks, like the MR1/2, but I have so far been able to repair most decks without resorting to donor machines. I'll take your comments to heart and try to do better. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Jan 31, 2008 9:26 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Answer Your $%&@ E-Mail!!! > > >I have a small complaint to make, regarding e-mail etiquette. > >On a few occasions, I have attempted to contact a couple of members of Naktalk. > >When I have contacted these members, the purpose was to ask to see if they had certain parts and/or service tools. > >The way I see it, these simple requests have two (2) possible answers: YES...or...NO. Simple courtesy would assume that the recipient of the request would be willing and able to give me one of those two answers, but on more than one occasion, I get NO response at all. > >Why can't people be bothered to answer a simple e-mail request? > >If the answer is "YES", and they have what I'm looking for, then we can proceed from there. > >If the answer is "NO", I certainly won't get my feelings hurt. After all, I was asking, not commanding. > >But it's a bit rude to just leave someone hanging, particularly if they are just asking for information. > >Don't get me wrong--I'm not losing sleep over this. But there is one regular Naktalk contributor in particular, who I have asked--repeatedly, on more than one occasion--to tell me if he has certain parts, only to get completely ignored. > >This most recent time, I got lucky--that person sent me one e-mail response, asking for more information. But then that was the LAST I heard from him. I e-mailed a couple more times, but it apparently fell on deaf ears. > >I should have known better. One previous time I asked this person--repeatedly--for a couple of case screws for my T-100, and *NEVER* got *ANY* kind of response at all. > >It's one thing to be very busy. I understand that we all have obligations and lives to lead, and that Nakamichi decks aren't exactly topmost on one's list of priorities. > >But lots of people, both on and off Naktalk, e-mail me almost daily, asking for information about their decks. I *always* make it a point to respond to them. If I don't know the answer to their question, I refer them to someone who does. > >It's just common courtesy, folks. > >I'm not asking for a long-winded response (like the ones I give! LOL). A simple response of one sentence--heck, even one WORD--would suffice. > >If we are all a group of Nak fans, then that means that we are ALL part of the group. We shouldn't pick and choose who we will--or will not--respond to. > >SO....since I cannot get an answer from "so-and-so", I will make this parts request to everyone here: > >I am looking for the small 10k pot, with a "D" shaft, that you commonly find in the auto-reverse mechanism in the RX series (it's mounted on the metal plate fastened to the bottom of the deck). This same pot is also found in the control mechanism on the classic transport. > >I need one of these pots to complete a repair, and will gladly pay a fair price for it. > >Can anyone help me out with this? Any help or info will be MUCH appreciated. > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Feb 2 14:26:00 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:26:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How long will a rubber belt last? How long is a piece of string! May be some measure of prediction could be made from any similar items made from the same compound to a similar specification, but they probably haven't save for original Nak belts. The only reliable way you're going to find out a belt's longevity is buy one and wait .... a long time! That is the only really accurate ageing test. But given these belts will be newly manufactured it's probable they will last longer than one that was made a few years ago; but obviously, that will depend on how they are stored. I have long been advised to keep them in a plastic bag placed in a freezer. Well, it works for all the bodies I've got stashed away ... Oh, what a give away! Gra' (The Nakamichi Killer, coming to a Cinema near you. About a mass murderer of Nakamichi owners, who decapitates them to get spare parts for his machines ... Be afraid, be VERY afraid ...esp if you own a ZX9 or BX-1.) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mikkel Breiler Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:15 PM To: Tom Brucker; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:04:22 -0600 (GMT-06:00), Tom Brucker wrote: > > > > id=compText>

Last year at the beginning of the "classic belt >crusade" (yes, it was a crusade) I tried to estimate the economics of >having the belt made to original specifications. I hope I influenced >Fred in his decision. I want to convey a heartfelt "thank you" to Fred, >for the investment in $4,00 belts is a huge one.

  Fred is >sending the new belt here and I will compare it under the same >conditions as the belt tests I posted last year. While that might seem >to be a commercial stunt, I feel strongly that affordable classic >belts alone is the key to the next 20 years of Nakamichi ownership. Our >valuable Naks will increase in value since self service and factory >specs will remain a possibility. Those of us in the repair business can >tackle the tougher jobs and the rebuilds and charge what the reairs are >worth because belts will remain in supply until the 4000 are sold.

>

tom brucker


How long is the life expectancy of these belts? In use? And in storage? Is 4000 a number chosen to obtain a price point in manufacturing cost or a projected selling point within the factorys warranty period or some other consideration? With belts there are two main considerations besides the cost of the belt and price of getting it shipped with fees here and there. 1 - the time it can be expected to perform well, before the rubber starts to disintegrate. 2 - the amount of 1 already spent in storage at the manufacturer, seller and also any buyer who bought another merely to keep as a spare. Are there any steps the homeuser can take to prolong the life of a spare belt while it is not in use, and either still in original wrap or put into a better storage container? One thing is the a belt is packaged for sale, but packing it for storage would perhaps dictate a change in the container. What is the best temperature and humidity in which to store a rubber belt, assuming they are both to be kept constant? Will cutting off access to oxygen and carbondioxide help (shrinkwrapping)? There is little point in buying two belts when the opportunity allows, if the life of both is about the same regardless of wether special care is taken to sotre the spare or not. And Tom, is it possible for you to turn TEXT on in your posts to the mailing list? And perhaps also turn HTML off - nothing justifies the extra %1000 overhead the HTML codes add. I am aware that not everyone is able to set the format they post in: for some it is impossible to set because they use a proprietary system that allow end users very few technical choices and others could do it, but do not know how. -Mikkel From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Feb 2 22:34:00 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:34:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, Good to hear from you! I'd like to send you a refund on that, then later this summer when my dupe rig is back online i'll send you a copy for free. I'm not comfortable keeping your money for this long a period without being able to deliver the product. On Jan 30, 2008, at 6:01 AM, David Thompson wrote: > Kermit > > Yes, good to know you are around again and feeling better. > > I hesitate to ask, but wonder if you still have the last Marathon tape > available. I never received mine as it happened - lost in the mail I > think. > > David > > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From ampex500 at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 19:43:27 2008 From: ampex500 at gmail.com (bob forrest) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:43:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] lx 3 idler replacement Message-ID: <4d7a408f0802021043q20ca3fc9w8e970d3a1b0560bc@mail.gmail.com> Hello everybody. I am new to this forum and need some expertise. Can you replace the tire on a lx3 without splitting the transport case? Also what is the best lube to use on the plastic tape lift gears? And finally, is denatured isopropyl the best chemical to de glaze transport belts? Thanks in advance for any help in this area. Best regards Bob F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sat Feb 2 12:59:12 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 06:59:12 EST Subject: [naktalk] Answer Your $%&@ E-Mail!!! Message-ID: Andy, I would suggest buying a broken RX series deck at ebay and take this part from it and keep the deck for any other part you might need. Thanks! Ali In a message dated 2/1/2008 2:34:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: I have a small complaint to make, regarding e-mail etiquette. On a few occasions, I have attempted to contact a couple of members of Naktalk. When I have contacted these members, the purpose was to ask to see if they had certain parts and/or service tools. The way I see it, these simple requests have two (2) possible answers: YES...or...NO. Simple courtesy would assume that the recipient of the request would be willing and able to give me one of those two answers, but on more than one occasion, I get NO response at all. Why can't people be bothered to answer a simple e-mail request? If the answer is "YES", and they have what I'm looking for, then we can proceed from there. If the answer is "NO", I certainly won't get my feelings hurt. After all, I was asking, not commanding. But it's a bit rude to just leave someone hanging, particularly if they are just asking for information. Don't get me wrong--I'm not losing sleep over this. But there is one regular Naktalk contributor in particular, who I have asked--repeatedly, on more than one occasion--to tell me if he has certain parts, only to get completely ignored. This most recent time, I got lucky--that person sent me one e-mail response, asking for more information. But then that was the LAST I heard from him. I e-mailed a couple more times, but it apparently fell on deaf ears. I should have known better. One previous time I asked this person--repeatedly--for a couple of case screws for my T-100, and *NEVER* got *ANY* kind of response at all. It's one thing to be very busy. I understand that we all have obligations and lives to lead, and that Nakamichi decks aren't exactly topmost on one's list of priorities. But lots of people, both on and off Naktalk, e-mail me almost daily, asking for information about their decks. I *always* make it a point to respond to them. If I don't know the answer to their question, I refer them to someone who does. It's just common courtesy, folks. I'm not asking for a long-winded response (like the ones I give! LOL). A simple response of one sentence--heck, even one WORD--would suffice. If we are all a group of Nak fans, then that means that we are ALL part of the group. We shouldn't pick and choose who we will--or will not--respond to. SO....since I cannot get an answer from "so-and-so", I will make this parts request to everyone here: I am looking for the small 10k pot, with a "D" shaft, that you commonly find in the auto-reverse mechanism in the RX series (it's mounted on the metal plate fastened to the bottom of the deck). This same pot is also found in the control mechanism on the classic transport. I need one of these pots to complete a repair, and will gladly pay a fair price for it. Can anyone help me out with this? Any help or info will be MUCH appreciated. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sat Feb 2 15:29:27 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 06:29:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Answer Your $%&@ E-Mail!!! In-Reply-To: <24190204.1201879948956.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <170393.3355.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Forum Members: I have quite a few complete classic transport systems that belongs to the 660/670/680 series of decks that I have saved from machines that I have bought at ebay in the last decade that never work as claims. I believe a lot of the Nak decks that use the classic transport systems share quite a number of same parts. Also I have quite a number of mechanical parts that belongs to the 580/1/2 and BX300/MR1 series as well. If you need parts for your Naks that you think I might have them send me a email offline. Like Tom said below, I also have a SPAM guard so if you send emails and got no response, please don't assume that I do not response but it is possible that your emails are filter to the delete bucket. I normally will check all the junk mails in the bucket one per day to see whether someone's important emails will slip through. All these parts are used and I won't check them other than motors. There is no guarantee that they will work but since this is a free service please don't say anything that make me feel bad. At the same time I only charge postage on heavy parts. Email response for the next few days will be slow as I am currently on business trip. Like Tom said, let's hope that we can keep our Naks continue to operate for the next twenty years. At the same time I used to send emails to Tom in the past asking for some replacement parts but got no response as well. Since I understand that he is a busy person so I never think that this is a big deal and everybody needs to take care of their own business first. Have a great weekend !!!! Best Regards, Mike Tom Brucker wrote: I resemble this remark :)) Lest anyone else feel put off, I think Andy is frustrated with me. I don't make my living from Nakamichi, but I love it and love the NakTalk people. My mission, if you will, is to keep Naks going so we, the last of a dead technology, do not loose hope when our treasures break. I do have daily internal arguments about charging more and devoting more time to Naks, but haven't persuaded myself to change yet. The one defensive point I will make is that Richard Fine is at the top of the list for my abuse, having had his Dragon over a year. What I feel would work best is to let me know when there is urgency about a part or repair. Because I work with collectors, I assume everyone has backup decks. I will send the control out as that need sounds urgent. T100 parts are gonna have to wait. I have at least one parts T100, but I don't think it had the screws. My T100s are disorganized and in different places so you and Victor will have to be patient a while longer. For anyone seeking a part, my modus operandi is to save the email until I find the particular part, and then determine IF the deck should be a parts donor.If I reply when I receive the email I assume I have answered and delete it in a few days. That may be a stupid system. Contrary to impressions I do not have a horde of parts. I would love to take 2 weeks and go to CT and help ESL unpack and organize their remaining Nak inventory so there would be more on the market, but can't figure out how to make the time. Jeff Whittier sent several NakTalk parts donor units, and I have purchased a few irresistable broken Naks, like the MR1/2, but I have so far been able to repair most decks without resorting to donor machines. I'll take your comments to heart and try to do better. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Jan 31, 2008 9:26 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Answer Your $%&@ E-Mail!!! > > >I have a small complaint to make, regarding e-mail etiquette. > >On a few occasions, I have attempted to contact a couple of members of Naktalk. > >When I have contacted these members, the purpose was to ask to see if they had certain parts and/or service tools. > >The way I see it, these simple requests have two (2) possible answers: YES...or...NO. Simple courtesy would assume that the recipient of the request would be willing and able to give me one of those two answers, but on more than one occasion, I get NO response at all. > >Why can't people be bothered to answer a simple e-mail request? > >If the answer is "YES", and they have what I'm looking for, then we can proceed from there. > >If the answer is "NO", I certainly won't get my feelings hurt. After all, I was asking, not commanding. > >But it's a bit rude to just leave someone hanging, particularly if they are just asking for information. > >Don't get me wrong--I'm not losing sleep over this. But there is one regular Naktalk contributor in particular, who I have asked--repeatedly, on more than one occasion--to tell me if he has certain parts, only to get completely ignored. > >This most recent time, I got lucky--that person sent me one e-mail response, asking for more information. But then that was the LAST I heard from him. I e-mailed a couple more times, but it apparently fell on deaf ears. > >I should have known better. One previous time I asked this person--repeatedly--for a couple of case screws for my T-100, and *NEVER* got *ANY* kind of response at all. > >It's one thing to be very busy. I understand that we all have obligations and lives to lead, and that Nakamichi decks aren't exactly topmost on one's list of priorities. > >But lots of people, both on and off Naktalk, e-mail me almost daily, asking for information about their decks. I *always* make it a point to respond to them. If I don't know the answer to their question, I refer them to someone who does. > >It's just common courtesy, folks. > >I'm not asking for a long-winded response (like the ones I give! LOL). A simple response of one sentence--heck, even one WORD--would suffice. > >If we are all a group of Nak fans, then that means that we are ALL part of the group. We shouldn't pick and choose who we will--or will not--respond to. > >SO....since I cannot get an answer from "so-and-so", I will make this parts request to everyone here: > >I am looking for the small 10k pot, with a "D" shaft, that you commonly find in the auto-reverse mechanism in the RX series (it's mounted on the metal plate fastened to the bottom of the deck). This same pot is also found in the control mechanism on the classic transport. > >I need one of these pots to complete a repair, and will gladly pay a fair price for it. > >Can anyone help me out with this? Any help or info will be MUCH appreciated. > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Sat Feb 2 15:37:35 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:37:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] E-bay: Spare Parts, Calibration Tapes - To Bid, or Not To Bid? Message-ID: <8CA33C0495526C8-910-3D95@webmail-de08.sysops.aol.com> Hi JW and Ron Those are noble sentiments, but may I present an opposing view. The mere fact that?someone in the group has bid on an auction doesn't guarantee that he will win it - and if he doesn't, then what good did it do for other interested parties within Naktalk not to bid? Frankly, the more Naktalkers that bid on an auction, the more likely one of them is to win it - and then if there was going to be?a benefit to the group, it can be realised. I think it's pretty obvious that there are quite a few people?within Naktalk who are running?"Nak business's" of varying sizes - and lots of people outside Naktalk are doing the same. You can't really expect those within Naktalk not to bid on something that they wish to buy to improve their abilities within those business's - all that will happen if Naktalkers hold back, is that most auctions will not be won by the Naktalk community. ? Regards John Gipps Message: 3 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:15:18 -0500 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] E-bay: Spare Parts, Calibration Tapes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <47A32976.9060303 at rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/31/2008 12:35:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > modernizy at netscape.net writes: > >???? First auction is rather rare thing at E-bay: liquidation sale, a >???? bunch of spare parts for Naks. The parts are not specified, but >???? there are some photos and probably somebody will find something he >???? has been looking for a long time. Here is the link: >???? http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Spare-Parts-Assortment_W0QQitemZ370017986396QQihZ024QQcategoryZ14980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >? >? > I personally am not bidding on this parts auction because Tom Brucker > put a bid in on it. Highly commendable. I wish others had the same team standard. Personally, if anyone in a n email group announced that they were bidding on am item, I would stay away. Regardless of other considerations. -- Ron ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 22:42:53 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:42:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Advice on inferior tape recording Message-ID: <168265.33129.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> There probably isn't anything to do here, but I thought I'd ask. About 15 or more years ago, a friend copied a piano CD recording to Maxell XLII-S. I don't know what was used and there are no markings to indicate bias or Dolby used, but the tape has always sounded distorted, esp. in the right channel and at peak levels (it wasn't recorded at a high level though). I've tried playback on 700zxl, 680zx, Denon DR-800A, and HK2000 (when it was working). The 680zx sounds the best on 70 EQ and no dolby, so I think that was the way it was recorded. I'm thinking the deck used for recording was in need of demag/cleaning? This CD is out of print and I can't even find it on google searches. How would it be possible to clean it up? I'm probably just left with the 680zx playback being the best I'll ever get from it, it isn't as terrible as I've probably made it sound, just that I'd like a clean sounding playback. Thanks for any suggestions. David ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sun Feb 3 03:04:59 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 19:04:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Answer Your $%&@ E-Mail!!! In-Reply-To: <24190204.1201879948956.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000901c86609$2ec96af0$3201000a@gabrenas> Which Victor? LOL! I know where Tom is coming from. Most of us have other careers however still have the bug to keep Naks alive and kickin. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:32 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Answer Your $%&@ E-Mail!!! I resemble this remark :)) Lest anyone else feel put off, I think Andy is frustrated with me. I don't make my living from Nakamichi, but I love it and love the NakTalk people. My mission, if you will, is to keep Naks going so we, the last of a dead technology, do not loose hope when our treasures break. I do have daily internal arguments about charging more and devoting more time to Naks, but haven't persuaded myself to change yet. The one defensive point I will make is that Richard Fine is at the top of the list for my abuse, having had his Dragon over a year. What I feel would work best is to let me know when there is urgency about a part or repair. Because I work with collectors, I assume everyone has backup decks. I will send the control out as that need sounds urgent. T100 parts are gonna have to wait. I have at least one parts T100, but I don't think it had the screws. My T100s are disorganized and in different places so you and Victor will have to be patient a while longer. For anyone seeking a part, my modus operandi is to save the email until I find the particular part, and then determine IF the deck should be a parts donor.If I reply when I receive the email I assume I have answered and delete it in a few days. That may be a stupid system. Contrary to impressions I do not have a horde of parts. I would love to take 2 weeks and go to CT and help ESL unpack and organize their remaining Nak inventory so there would be more on the market, but can't figure out how to make the time. Jeff Whittier sent several NakTalk parts donor units, and I have purchased a few irresistable broken Naks, like the MR1/2, but I have so far been able to repair most decks without resorting to donor machines. I'll take your comments to heart and try to do better. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Jan 31, 2008 9:26 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Answer Your $%&@ E-Mail!!! > > >I have a small complaint to make, regarding e-mail etiquette. > >On a few occasions, I have attempted to contact a couple of members of Naktalk. > >When I have contacted these members, the purpose was to ask to see if they had certain parts and/or service tools. > >The way I see it, these simple requests have two (2) possible answers: YES...or...NO. Simple courtesy would assume that the recipient of the request would be willing and able to give me one of those two answers, but on more than one occasion, I get NO response at all. > >Why can't people be bothered to answer a simple e-mail request? > >If the answer is "YES", and they have what I'm looking for, then we can proceed from there. > >If the answer is "NO", I certainly won't get my feelings hurt. After all, I was asking, not commanding. > >But it's a bit rude to just leave someone hanging, particularly if they are just asking for information. > >Don't get me wrong--I'm not losing sleep over this. But there is one regular Naktalk contributor in particular, who I have asked--repeatedly, on more than one occasion--to tell me if he has certain parts, only to get completely ignored. > >This most recent time, I got lucky--that person sent me one e-mail response, asking for more information. But then that was the LAST I heard from him. I e-mailed a couple more times, but it apparently fell on deaf ears. > >I should have known better. One previous time I asked this person--repeatedly--for a couple of case screws for my T-100, and *NEVER* got *ANY* kind of response at all. > >It's one thing to be very busy. I understand that we all have obligations and lives to lead, and that Nakamichi decks aren't exactly topmost on one's list of priorities. > >But lots of people, both on and off Naktalk, e-mail me almost daily, asking for information about their decks. I *always* make it a point to respond to them. If I don't know the answer to their question, I refer them to someone who does. > >It's just common courtesy, folks. > >I'm not asking for a long-winded response (like the ones I give! LOL). A simple response of one sentence--heck, even one WORD--would suffice. > >If we are all a group of Nak fans, then that means that we are ALL part of the group. We shouldn't pick and choose who we will--or will not--respond to. > >SO....since I cannot get an answer from "so-and-so", I will make this parts request to everyone here: > >I am looking for the small 10k pot, with a "D" shaft, that you commonly find in the auto-reverse mechanism in the RX series (it's mounted on the metal plate fastened to the bottom of the deck). This same pot is also found in the control mechanism on the classic transport. > >I need one of these pots to complete a repair, and will gladly pay a fair price for it. > >Can anyone help me out with this? Any help or info will be MUCH appreciated. > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sun Feb 3 03:15:06 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 19:15:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c8660a$989b4d80$3201000a@gabrenas> Sounds like you have two fanatics here. Tom M. and I are currently trying to get the facts on how these tapes were manufactured. Which ones were full surface or half track and so on. We have enough equipment and spare machines to build special dedicated machines for each tape. Just need the correct heads and alignments. Currently we are seeking a full surface head. May have to use some other formats such as a R2R with special guides. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: Kermit Gray [mailto:notarbene at kvglabs.com] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 6:15 PM To: gabrenas at math.utah.edu; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes Months ago, I mentioned that I developed the equipment (including a special tape head) to successfully produce the unusual azimuth alignment tape that has the 1 kcps tone in the margin between tracks. Not surprisingly to anyone, I converted a Nakamichi 600 for the work. I mentioned this some time ago but no one seemed interested so I let the matter drop. Nevertheless, I can make these whenever anyone wants one. The one I made for myself is quite helpful. Producing original alignment tapes to factory specifications requires more than just making an accurate recording onto a stock tape recorder with a tone sourced from an oscillator. I was in the process of creating the equipment, but again, no one showed interest so I let the matter drop. My business interests have moved on and I now do not have time to make alignment tapes, but I'd be happy to dig out my notes and assist you in setting up production. The point where I had stopped work was that I was working on reducing flutter and wow to a magnitude far below a stock deck, and I was experimenting with more efficient QC methods that were not as labor intensive as what I was using. I had devised a concept for a self- calibrating "master deck" but did not proceed with bringing it to fruition given the lack of interest I was experiencing. You will need extraordinary patience, the willingness to pay fanatical attention to detail, the ability to experience many failures before success and the money to afford a rather sizeable capital investment. Companies like MRL and Teac don't use cheap recorders, a cheap oscilloscope, a Radio Shack oscillator and crossed fingers to make their reference-quality alignment tapes. I should also mention that I found my Hewlett-Packard 200CD oscillator lacked the stability to make alignment tapes, even when retrofitted with an outboard AGC. I was in the process of designing a superior oscillator when I abandoned the work. You will need an oscillator of phenomenal frequency and amplitude stability. On Feb 1, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > A fellow nak enthusiast and I are currently seeking a full track > head. I > would like to start producing some alignment tapes that are produced > the > same way the originals. Anyone who has any knowledge or input would be > appreciated. My originals are 20 plus years old. > > Anyone with who knows with out a doubt how these were made. Please > fill me > in with any information. I know Luis has some decent tapes, however > I am > trying to create the originals. Not in this for a profit but if this > can be > accomplished reasonably, I might be able to create a few more. > > The following tapes are whats planned: > 1-3KHz wow and flutter > 2-400Hz level full track > 3-1KHz track alignment > 4-15KHz azimuth > 5-15KHz and 20KHz playback levels > 6-tape guide jig and tooling to set guides. Already created. Similar > to the > Wollensak. > > FYI: I may have successfully created a track alignment at 1KHz with > a null > center tracks like the original. Align for minimum signal. More > testing is > needed to make sure of it. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Feb 2 19:31:06 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:31:06 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! Message-ID: <1931314.1201977066846.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Graham is correct. My plan is to order as many belts as I think I will need, both to "reward" Fred for putting up the money, and to have a supply that will last until I die. Sounds grim. If I had 3 classic decks I might order 6 belts. Exposure to air, and probably specifically ozone, causes the neporene to break down, softening. Temperature and being stretched causes the neoprene to lengthen, loosening. Keeping the belts sealed, relaxed, and cold is the best method to store these. I have seen belts stored for years in paper envelopes, and the envelope is stained brown by chemical reaction or out-gassing, and would not recommend paper for storage. Working on Naks over the years I would venture to sy the classic belt would last 15 years. Cam belts seem to last about 8 years. Idler tires (original) used to last 2 years. The subs on the market advertise longer lifetimes, with ESL rating theirs for 5 year life. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Graham A Nelson >Sent: Feb 2, 2008 7:26 AM >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: RE: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! > >How long will a rubber belt last? How long is a piece of string! May be >some measure of prediction could be made from any similar items made from >the same compound to a similar specification, but they probably haven't save >for original Nak belts. The only reliable way you're going to find out a >belt's longevity is buy one and wait .... a long time! That is the only >really accurate ageing test. But given these belts will be newly >manufactured it's probable they will last longer than one that was made a >few years ago; but obviously, that will depend on how they are stored. I >have long been advised to keep them in a plastic bag placed in a freezer. > >Well, it works for all the bodies I've got stashed away ... Oh, what a give >away! > >Gra' (The Nakamichi Killer, coming to a Cinema near you. About a mass >murderer of Nakamichi owners, who decapitates them to get spare parts for >his machines ... Be afraid, be VERY afraid ...esp if you own a ZX9 or BX-1.) > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Mikkel Breiler >Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 11:15 PM >To: Tom Brucker; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! > > >On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:04:22 -0600 (GMT-06:00), Tom Brucker > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >id=compText>

Last year at the beginning of the "classic belt >>crusade" (yes, it was a crusade) I tried to estimate the economics of >>having the belt made to original specifications. I hope I influenced >>Fred in his decision. I want to convey a heartfelt "thank you" to Fred, >>for the investment in $4,00 belts is a huge one.

  Fred is >>sending the new belt here and I will compare it under the same >>conditions as the belt tests I posted last year. While that might seem >>to be a commercial stunt, I feel strongly that affordable classic >>belts alone is the key to the next 20 years of Nakamichi ownership. Our >>valuable Naks will increase in value since self service and factory >>specs will remain a possibility. Those of us in the repair business can >>tackle the tougher jobs and the rebuilds and charge what the reairs are >>worth because belts will remain in supply until the 4000 are sold.

>>

tom brucker


> >How long is the life expectancy of these belts? In use? And in storage? > >Is 4000 a number chosen to obtain a price point in manufacturing cost or a >projected selling point within the factorys warranty period or some other >consideration? > >With belts there are two main considerations besides the cost of the belt >and price of getting it shipped with fees here and there. > 1 - the time it can be expected to perform well, before the rubber starts >to disintegrate. 2 - the amount of 1 already spent in storage at the >manufacturer, seller and also any buyer who bought another merely to keep as >a spare. > >Are there any steps the homeuser can take to prolong the life of a spare >belt while it is not in use, and either still in original wrap or put into a >better storage container? >One thing is the a belt is packaged for sale, but packing it for storage >would perhaps dictate a change in the container. What is the best >temperature and humidity in which to store a rubber belt, assuming they are >both to be kept constant? Will cutting off access to oxygen and >carbondioxide help (shrinkwrapping)? There is little point in buying two >belts when the opportunity allows, if the life of both is about the same >regardless of wether special care is taken to sotre the spare or not. > > >And Tom, is it possible for you to turn TEXT on in your posts to the mailing >list? >And perhaps also turn HTML off - nothing justifies the extra %1000 overhead >the HTML codes add. I am aware that not everyone is able to set the format >they post in: for some it is impossible to set because they use a >proprietary system that allow end users very few technical choices and >others could do it, but do not know how. > >-Mikkel > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sun Feb 3 12:25:48 2008 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:25:48 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape Message-ID: Kermit It is not worth the hassle of a refund. If you manage to send me a tape version later that will be great, otherwise keep it towards the production. David >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:34:00 -0600 >From: Kermit Gray S>ubject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon tape To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >Hi David, >Good to hear from you! >I'd like to send you a refund on that, then later this summer when my dupe rig is back online i'll send you a copy for free. I'm not comfortable keeping your money for this long a period without being able to deliver the product. >On Jan 30, 2008, at 6:01 AM, David Thompson wrote: >> Kermit > >> Yes, good to know you are around again and feeling better. > >> I hesitate to ask, but wonder if you still have the last Marathon tape > available. I never received mine as it happened - lost in the mail I > think. > >> David > > -- Kermit Gray From lkk3110 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 4 05:27:51 2008 From: lkk3110 at hotmail.com (lee) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 20:27:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] DR2 running slow Message-ID: Hi just got hold of a high mileage DR2 which seems to be working except that I find its running a lil' slow (based on aural perception as compared to my other naks) Hope its a simple fix like adjusting the capstan motor voltage but which pot & what's the correct voltage across the motor. Pls help as I don't have the schematics. Should I be concerned of the reel motor too? TIA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Feb 3 15:28:30 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:28:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY! Message-ID: <020320081428.15766.47A5CF8E0003052A00003D9622165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:26:00 -0000, Graham wrote: >Gra' (The Nakamichi Killer, coming to a Cinema near you. About a mass murderer of Nakamichi owners, who decapitates them to get spare parts for his machines ... Be afraid, be VERY afraid ...esp if you own a ZX9 or BX-1.) EEK! I have a ZX-9! But...but...there are no spare parts on it! In fact, there are NO parts at all! It's just a blank space in my audio rack! Please don't hurt me, Graham! AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *andy* From shacky at frontiernet.net Sun Feb 3 16:30:44 2008 From: shacky at frontiernet.net (Shacky) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:30:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning LX-3 Play/Record Switch Message-ID: <3E0AD03F-5086-4E92-ABB4-155ACD78ED80@frontiernet.net> I have buzzing noise in signal that I isolated to the play/record switch. As it's located between the two PC boards how can I clean it to fix my problem? http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q227/shacky1973/? action=view¤t=IMGP1180.jpg From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Feb 3 17:12:15 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 08:12:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! In-Reply-To: <200802031102.m13B1JUU031815@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <123079.61987.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com> OK, I don't see how this wouldn't apply to any cassette deck belt. Rubber (neoprene or *whatever* they are made of) belts of any description are stored in a sealed container by the RC model crowd. Then they put cat litter in the sealed container (like a solid jar-not clear). I would imagine ozone and UV light are the worst killers. Also consider indirect UV light-residually from the sun in your work station or home, if you want to be specific. Even tires that are stored in a warehouse that is temperature controlled eventually will 'weather check'....it has to due with the air itself-ozone. Perhaps with cassette belts you could use those new food bags advertised on TV that you suck the air out (with this little hand held vacuum pump thing) and then place somewhere in total darkness. Then of course to create vacuum and use your own fitting, there's the venerable MityVac, etc;-) I have all kinds of ideas on storing perishable things from my 'survival' days.;-) I can't see the advantage of a freezer except for the 'darkness factor' or, unless frigid air slows down ozone decay. Reserve your freezer instead for THC product storage.;-) Kevin > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:26:00 -0000 > From: "Graham A Nelson" > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C > NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE > WAY ! > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > How long will a rubber belt last? How long is a > piece of string! May be > some measure of prediction could be made from any > similar items made from > the same compound to a similar specification, but > they probably haven't save > for original Nak belts. The only reliable way > you're going to find out a > belt's longevity is buy one and wait .... a long > time! That is the only > really accurate ageing test. But given these belts > will be newly > manufactured it's probable they will last longer > than one that was made a > few years ago; but obviously, that will depend on > how they are stored. I > have long been advised to keep them in a plastic bag > placed in a freezer. > > Well, it works for all the bodies I've got stashed > away ... Oh, what a give > away! > > Gra' (The Nakamichi Killer, coming to a Cinema near > you. About a mass > murderer of Nakamichi owners, who decapitates them > to get spare parts for > his machines ... Be afraid, be VERY afraid ...esp if > you own a ZX9 or BX-1.) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From venture1 at charter.net Sun Feb 3 15:25:22 2008 From: venture1 at charter.net (James Roberts) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 08:25:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape References: Message-ID: <000701c86670$9c370180$6701a8c0@uw9z641vck7d9j> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Thompson" To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 5:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape > Kermit > > It is not worth the hassle of a refund. If you manage to send me a tape > version later that will be great, otherwise keep it towards the > production. > > David > >>Message: 2 >>Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:34:00 -0600 >>From: Kermit Gray > S>ubject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon tape > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > >>Hi David, > >>Good to hear from you! > >>I'd like to send you a refund on that, then later this summer when my > dupe rig is back online i'll send you a copy for free. I'm not > comfortable keeping your money for this long a period without being > able to deliver the product. > >>On Jan 30, 2008, at 6:01 AM, David Thompson wrote: > >>> Kermit >> >>> Yes, good to know you are around again and feeling better. >> >>> I hesitate to ask, but wonder if you still have the last Marathon tape >> available. I never received mine as it happened - lost in the mail I >> think. >> >>> David > > >> >> -- Kermit Gray > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ampex500 at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 18:09:04 2008 From: ampex500 at gmail.com (bob forrest) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:09:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on inferior tape recording In-Reply-To: <168265.33129.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <168265.33129.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4d7a408f0802030909s7bdf8d15s5b796aada92419ac@mail.gmail.com> Hi David. This is a long shot but may work; If there was a grounding problem on the right channel you can digitally edit it out using a noise gate from one of the good digital editors out there ( adobe audtiion, audio magix or sound soap). This requires that you find a music free section of the tape that still has the noise in the right channel. This noise is digitally sampled and then digitally removed from the recording. Also if there is excessive hiss on the recording, the above mentioned audio editors have pretty good hiss filters that cost a little in the high end but do definitely remove the hiss. Hope this helps. Best regards Bob F A couple of ideas; You may be able to use a digital sound editor ( audio magix, adobe audition, or sound soap) to edit out some of this noise / distortion. If there is a music free pasage on the tape you could noise gate this section and apply the noise gate ( at increasing levels of intensity) to the entire recording to get maybe better results. Al On 2/2/08, fripp_em wrote: > > There probably isn't anything to do here, but I > thought I'd ask. About 15 or more years ago, a friend > copied a piano CD recording to Maxell XLII-S. I don't > know what was used and there are no markings to > indicate bias or Dolby used, but the tape has always > sounded distorted, esp. in the right channel and at > peak levels (it wasn't recorded at a high level > though). I've tried playback on 700zxl, 680zx, Denon > DR-800A, and HK2000 (when it was working). The 680zx > sounds the best on 70 EQ and no dolby, so I think that > was the way it was recorded. I'm thinking the deck > used for recording was in need of demag/cleaning? > > This CD is out of print and I can't even find it on > google searches. How would it be possible to clean it > up? I'm probably just left with the 680zx playback > being the best I'll ever get from it, it isn't as > terrible as I've probably made it sound, just that I'd > like a clean sounding playback. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > David > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naks at rivendell-farm.com Sun Feb 3 18:23:18 2008 From: naks at rivendell-farm.com (Le) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:23:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on inferior tape recording References: <168265.33129.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A5F886.4050407@rivendell-farm.com> Have you tried e-bay for the CD? fripp_em wrote: >There probably isn't anything to do here, but I >thought I'd ask. About 15 or more years ago, a friend >copied a piano CD recording to Maxell XLII-S. I don't >know what was used and there are no markings to >indicate bias or Dolby used, but the tape has always >sounded distorted, esp. in the right channel and at >peak levels (it wasn't recorded at a high level >though). I've tried playback on 700zxl, 680zx, Denon >DR-800A, and HK2000 (when it was working). The 680zx >sounds the best on 70 EQ and no dolby, so I think that >was the way it was recorded. I'm thinking the deck >used for recording was in need of demag/cleaning? > >This CD is out of print and I can't even find it on >google searches. How would it be possible to clean it >up? I'm probably just left with the 680zx playback >being the best I'll ever get from it, it isn't as >terrible as I've probably made it sound, just that I'd >like a clean sounding playback. > >Thanks for any suggestions. > >David > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a better friend, newshound, and >know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sun Feb 3 20:52:28 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:52:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on inferior tape recording In-Reply-To: <168265.33129.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <168265.33129.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi David, This is a job for the highest-end DAW software like Sonic Solutions or the Qube. Both of these packages has the ability to reduce distortion somewhat, although in some cases not at all. Most other DAW software packages have a feature that removes clicks caused by hard clipping; sometimes this function can improve a distorted analog recording as well. Basically, though, once a recording is made badly with regard to distortion it's Game Over. On Feb 2, 2008, at 3:42 PM, fripp_em wrote: > There probably isn't anything to do here, but I > thought I'd ask. About 15 or more years ago, a friend > copied a piano CD recording to Maxell XLII-S. I don't > know what was used and there are no markings to > indicate bias or Dolby used, but the tape has always > sounded distorted, esp. in the right channel and at > peak levels (it wasn't recorded at a high level > though). I've tried playback on 700zxl, 680zx, Denon > DR-800A, and HK2000 (when it was working). The 680zx > sounds the best on 70 EQ and no dolby, so I think that > was the way it was recorded. I'm thinking the deck > used for recording was in need of demag/cleaning? > > This CD is out of print and I can't even find it on > google searches. How would it be possible to clean it > up? I'm probably just left with the 680zx playback > being the best I'll ever get from it, it isn't as > terrible as I've probably made it sound, just that I'd > like a clean sounding playback. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > David -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sun Feb 3 20:36:13 2008 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 21:36:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY! References: <020320081428.15766.47A5CF8E0003052A00003D9622165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004201c8669c$0a2c0ed0$3dd217c4@home> Aaah--- there are no parts ON it ,but IN IT !!! Not in the rack but you keep the thing under your bed!! You nearly fooled us there! ----Go for him Gra' ! wd ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY! > > On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:26:00 -0000, Graham wrote: > >>Gra' (The Nakamichi Killer, coming to a Cinema near you. About a mass > murderer of Nakamichi owners, who decapitates them to get spare parts for > his machines ... Be afraid, be VERY afraid ...esp if you own a ZX9 or > BX-1.) > > EEK! I have a ZX-9! But...but...there are no spare parts on it! In > fact, there > are NO parts at all! It's just a blank space in my audio rack! Please > don't > hurt me, Graham! AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Feb 3 21:13:40 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:13:40 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] E-bay: Spare Parts, Calibration Tapes - To Bid, or Not To Bid? Message-ID: <4591388.1202069620012.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I agree. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: johngipps at aol.com >Sent: Feb 2, 2008 8:37 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] E-bay: Spare Parts, Calibration Tapes - To Bid, or Not To Bid? > >Hi JW and Ron > >Those are noble sentiments, but may I present an opposing view. > >The mere fact that?someone in the group has bid on an auction doesn't guarantee that he will win it - and if he doesn't, then what good did it do for other interested parties within Naktalk not to bid? > >Frankly, the more Naktalkers that bid on an auction, the more likely one of them is to win it - and then if there was going to be?a benefit to the group, it can be realised. > >I think it's pretty obvious that there are quite a few people?within Naktalk who are running?"Nak business's" of varying sizes - and lots of people outside Naktalk are doing the same. You can't really expect those within Naktalk not to bid on something that they wish to buy to improve their abilities within those business's - all that will happen if Naktalkers hold back, is that most auctions will not be won by the Naktalk community. >? >Regards > >John Gipps > > > >Message: 3 >Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:15:18 -0500 >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] E-bay: Spare Parts, Calibration Tapes >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: <47A32976.9060303 at rcn.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 1/31/2008 12:35:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> modernizy at netscape.net writes: >> >>???? First auction is rather rare thing at E-bay: liquidation sale, a >>???? bunch of spare parts for Naks. The parts are not specified, but >>???? there are some photos and probably somebody will find something he >>???? has been looking for a long time. Here is the link: >>???? http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Spare-Parts-Assortment_W0QQitemZ370017986396QQihZ024QQcategoryZ14980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >> >>? >>? >> I personally am not bidding on this parts auction because Tom Brucker >> put a bid in on it. > >Highly commendable. I wish others had the >same team standard. Personally, if anyone >in a n email group announced that they >were bidding on am item, I would stay away. >Regardless of other considerations. > >-- Ron > >________________________________________________________________________ >More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Feb 3 21:12:23 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:12:23 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Advice on inferior tape recording Message-ID: <16859911.1202069543707.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> David, The distortion is probably an overloaded microphone mixer channel. Piano has greater peak dynamic range than any instrument, save percussion, but because the tones and overtones, are pure frequencies our ears recognize when a recording goes bad. Nothing can be done in playback to eliminate the distortion. Often pianos are recorded in "stereo" and a possible solution is to use the undistorted channel as a mono recording! tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: fripp_em >Sent: Feb 2, 2008 3:42 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Advice on inferior tape recording > >There probably isn't anything to do here, but I >thought I'd ask. About 15 or more years ago, a friend >copied a piano CD recording to Maxell XLII-S. I don't >know what was used and there are no markings to >indicate bias or Dolby used, but the tape has always >sounded distorted, esp. in the right channel and at >peak levels (it wasn't recorded at a high level >though). I've tried playback on 700zxl, 680zx, Denon >DR-800A, and HK2000 (when it was working). The 680zx >sounds the best on 70 EQ and no dolby, so I think that >was the way it was recorded. I'm thinking the deck >used for recording was in need of demag/cleaning? > >This CD is out of print and I can't even find it on >google searches. How would it be possible to clean it >up? I'm probably just left with the 680zx playback >being the best I'll ever get from it, it isn't as >terrible as I've probably made it sound, just that I'd >like a clean sounding playback. > >Thanks for any suggestions. > >David > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a better friend, newshound, and >know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Feb 3 21:17:06 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:17:06 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY! Message-ID: <27806246.1202069826156.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> andy, Turn your ZX9 upside down. It will look like the rare 6XZ and fool the Nakamichi killer! tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Feb 3, 2008 8:28 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Cc: grahamanelson at googlemail.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY! > > >On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:26:00 -0000, Graham wrote: > >>Gra' (The Nakamichi Killer, coming to a Cinema near you. About a mass >murderer of Nakamichi owners, who decapitates them to get spare parts for >his machines ... Be afraid, be VERY afraid ...esp if you own a ZX9 or BX-1.) > >EEK! I have a ZX-9! But...but...there are no spare parts on it! In fact, there >are NO parts at all! It's just a blank space in my audio rack! Please don't >hurt me, Graham! AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Feb 3 21:20:52 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:20:52 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning LX-3 Play/Record Switch Message-ID: <1522408.1202070052216.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Shacky, Get some Caig DeOxit D5 cleaner. It has a spray extension tube on it. Set your deck so spraying in one end of the switch will allow the fluid to travel down the lenght of the switch. The plase to spray is at the base of the black slider and above the tan colored switch contact holder. Slide the switch back and forth 10 limes with your finger and it should be good! tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Shacky >Sent: Feb 3, 2008 9:30 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning LX-3 Play/Record Switch > >I have buzzing noise in signal that I isolated to the play/record >switch. As it's located between the two PC boards how can I clean it >to fix my problem? > >http://s137.photobucket.com/albums/q227/shacky1973/? >action=view¤t=IMGP1180.jpg >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Feb 3 21:27:04 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:27:04 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] lx 3 idler replacement Message-ID: <20078254.1202070424635.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Full disassembly is the only option. Alcohol is a cleaner. There are some rubber treatments that are "last resort" softeners, but the best thing to do is replace it. Sean Sanborn has a new tire for the LX3 that looks pretty good. Ironically Nakamichi taught me that plastic on plastic or plastic on metal did not need grease, and yet they installed it on the cam gear. I would clean the sticky old grease off, and use moly or graphite type grease if I had to have grease. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: bob forrest >Sent: Feb 2, 2008 12:43 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] lx 3 idler replacement > >Hello everybody. > >I am new to this forum and need some expertise. > >Can you replace the tire on a lx3 without splitting the transport case? > >Also what is the best lube to use on the plastic tape lift gears? > >And finally, is denatured isopropyl the best chemical to de glaze transport >belts? > >Thanks in advance for any help in this area. > >Best regards >Bob F Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 4 14:36:36 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:36:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] E-bay: Spare Parts, Calibration Tapes - To Bid, or Not To Bid? In-Reply-To: <4591388.1202069620012.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <4591388.1202069620012.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47A714E4.9040700@rcn.com> Tom Brucker wrote: > I agree. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >> From: johngipps at aol.com >> Sent: Feb 2, 2008 8:37 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] E-bay: Spare Parts, Calibration Tapes - To Bid, or Not To Bid? >> >> Hi JW and Ron >> >> Those are noble sentiments, but may I present an opposing view. >> >> The mere fact that?someone in the group has bid on an auction doesn't >> guarantee that he will win it No, but it will increase his chance. >> - and if he doesn't, then what good did it do for other interested >> parties within Naktalk not to bid? >> >> Frankly, the more Naktalkers that bid on an auction, the more likely >>one of them is to win it But at higher prices, thereby driving up prices of Nak products (and more importantly, parts). In the long run, we *all* lose. >> and then if there was going to be?a benefit to the group, it can be realised. No, only to the one 'lucky' winner -- at the expense of the whole group. >> I think it's pretty obvious that there are quite a few people?within Naktalk who are running?"Nak business's" of varying sizes - and lots of people outside Naktalk are doing the same. You can't really expect those within Naktalk not to bid on something that they wish to buy to improve their abilities within those business's - all that will happen if Naktalkers hold back, is that most auctions will not be won by the Naktalk community. As a group, we should support the hobbyists among us, not the businessmen. -- Ron >> ? >> Regards >> >> John Gipps >> >> >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:15:18 -0500 >> From: Ron >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] E-bay: Spare Parts, Calibration Tapes >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <47A32976.9060303 at rcn.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >>> In a message dated 1/31/2008 12:35:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >>> modernizy at netscape.net writes: >>> >>> ???? First auction is rather rare thing at E-bay: liquidation sale, a >>> ???? bunch of spare parts for Naks. The parts are not specified, but >>> ???? there are some photos and probably somebody will find something he >>> ???? has been looking for a long time. Here is the link: >>> ???? http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Spare-Parts-Assortment_W0QQitemZ370017986396QQihZ024QQcategoryZ14980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>> ? >>> ? >>> I personally am not bidding on this parts auction because Tom Brucker >>> put a bid in on it. >> Highly commendable. I wish others had the >> same team standard. Personally, if anyone >> in a n email group announced that they >> were bidding on am item, I would stay away. >> Regardless of other considerations. >> >> -- Ron >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From soumitra at soumitrab.com Mon Feb 4 15:04:35 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 19:34:35 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Upgrade Update #2 References: <200802041103.m14B1X7b032413@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000b01c86736$ead74310$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hello all Changed opamps in my DR2 to LME49860 .. used gold plated ic sockets this time instead of directly soldering them ICs on the board ... bypassed power caps earlier. Sound is tighter than before, slightly crisper ... but ill know after a few days of hearing or not. Which also brings me to ask if anybody can loan a set of calibration tapes ? I know i can get a set from Luis but im saving up for something important so if anybody can loan a set ill gladly pay the to and fro postage. Regards Soumi From lkk3110 at hotmail.com Tue Feb 5 08:18:53 2008 From: lkk3110 at hotmail.com (lee) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:18:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] DR2 running slow Message-ID: Just got a msgl from Andy giving detailed instructions to adjust the capstan speed. Would like to express my sincere thanks to Andy and fellow nakkers for their unselfish help & support. Btw, the deck is running great now... Cheers Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Mon Feb 4 19:07:48 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:07:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Advice on inferior tape recording In-Reply-To: <16859911.1202069543707.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <106658.9789.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks everyone. The original CD was fine as far as I remember. I was still playing LPs and cassettes when everyone else had gone to CD, so I had someone make a copy. I think their cassette deck was sitting unused (they had converted to a digital recording studio) and they didn't really pay attention to either the deck's condition, or the route it was hanging off. I finally did get a CD player, I just didn't like the sound of the first generation players (I have an early pioneer CD player that a friend gave me and I used it one or twice and put it away. It's still in my garage because I find it difficult to get rid of any junk). I think this release was on a label from France and was never easy to get here. I've look on ebay, amazon, google, etc., for some time now and will just just keep on looking. It is amazing what you can eventually find if you don't give up. Thanks, David ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wdrewes at iafrica.com Mon Feb 4 19:26:41 2008 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:26:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 or CR7A Message-ID: <002801c8675b$7dfb5f90$74d417c4@home> If anybody knows where I can get one or two Cassette Well Doors for the above please contact me for price etc As a CR5, CR5A has the same dimentions that would do as well! Do not worry about the condition! I have been posting this for a number of years at least once a year and there do not seem to be any CR7s arround that are being slaughtered for parts The door that is amongst the parts auction on eBay at the moment is not a CR7---I checked! Tks Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 4 22:14:31 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:14:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 or CR7A In-Reply-To: <002801c8675b$7dfb5f90$74d417c4@home> References: <002801c8675b$7dfb5f90$74d417c4@home> Message-ID: <47A78037.4050002@rcn.com> These doors Seem to be in short supply and heavy demand... Good luck, -- Ron drewes wrote: > If anybody knows where I can get one or two Cassette Well Doors for the > above please contact me for price etc > As a CR5, CR5A has the same dimentions that would do as well! Do not > worry about the condition! > I have been posting this for a number of years at least once a year and > there do not seem to be any CR7s arround that are being slaughtered for > parts > The door that is amongst the parts auction on eBay at the moment is not > a CR7---I checked! > Tks > Walter From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Feb 4 15:28:16 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:28:16 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] E-bay: Spare Parts, Calibration Tapes - To Bid, or Not To Bid? Message-ID: <27151144.1202135296126.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I checked last night and Ram has the high bid on the parts. His bid is higher than I will go. Ram is certainly a hobbyist. I believe strongly that NakTalk serves the Nak community partially by providing "free" advice for service problems. There is a strong culture of DIY complete with picture essays and parts sources. I don't represent all in the "Nak Business", but for me I try and trade my contributions for my benefits. There may be room for discussion about the balance between news-styled advertising and pure hobby-type DIY info. I can't because I am biased by thinking I am balance in my behavior in the past. BTW :In commenting on Dean (not Sean) Sanborn's new classic tire I posted prematurely. It was a bit too large for the second generation classic idler. It may fit on the earlier rounded tire types, but it will be a while before I check that. His current tire fits and works fine. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Ron >Sent: Feb 4, 2008 7:36 AM >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] E-bay: Spare Parts, Calibration Tapes - To Bid, or Not To Bid? > >Tom Brucker wrote: >> I agree. >> >> tom brucker >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: johngipps at aol.com >>> Sent: Feb 2, 2008 8:37 AM >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: [naktalk] E-bay: Spare Parts, Calibration Tapes - To Bid, or Not To Bid? >>> >>> Hi JW and Ron >>> >>> Those are noble sentiments, but may I present an opposing view. >>> >>> The mere fact that?someone in the group has bid on an auction doesn't >>> guarantee that he will win it > >No, but it will increase his chance. > >>> - and if he doesn't, then what good did it do for other interested > >> parties within Naktalk not to bid? >>> >>> Frankly, the more Naktalkers that bid on an auction, the more likely > >>one of them is to win it > >But at higher prices, thereby driving up >prices of Nak products (and more importantly, >parts). In the long run, we *all* lose. > >>> and then if there was going to be?a benefit to the group, it can be realised. > >No, only to the one 'lucky' winner -- at the >expense of the whole group. > >>> I think it's pretty obvious that there are quite a few people?within Naktalk who are running?"Nak business's" of varying sizes - and lots of people outside Naktalk are doing the same. You can't really expect those within Naktalk not to bid on something that they wish to buy to improve their abilities within those business's - all that will happen if Naktalkers hold back, is that most auctions will not be won by the Naktalk community. > >As a group, we should support the hobbyists >among us, not the businessmen. > >-- Ron > > >>> ? >>> Regards >>> >>> John Gipps >>> >>> >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:15:18 -0500 >>> From: Ron >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] E-bay: Spare Parts, Calibration Tapes >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Message-ID: <47A32976.9060303 at rcn.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >>>> In a message dated 1/31/2008 12:35:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >>>> modernizy at netscape.net writes: >>>> >>>> ???? First auction is rather rare thing at E-bay: liquidation sale, a >>>> ???? bunch of spare parts for Naks. The parts are not specified, but >>>> ???? there are some photos and probably somebody will find something he >>>> ???? has been looking for a long time. Here is the link: >>>> ???? http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Spare-Parts-Assortment_W0QQitemZ370017986396QQihZ024QQcategoryZ14980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>>> ? >>>> ? >>>> I personally am not bidding on this parts auction because Tom Brucker >>>> put a bid in on it. >>> Highly commendable. I wish others had the >>> same team standard. Personally, if anyone >>> in a n email group announced that they >>> were bidding on am item, I would stay away. >>> Regardless of other considerations. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com >> >> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Feb 4 23:22:25 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:22:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] PARTS NEEDED - A SPECIAL CASE....PLEASE READ (LONG)...... Message-ID: <020420082222.14231.47A790210006460C0000379722155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, once again I have a request for parts, but this time, there is a story behind it. About three months ago, I sold a beautiful RX-202 on eBay. This particular deck had switchable voltage for worldwide use. This deck was MINT, with the original box and all original paperwork. A very nice gentleman from England was the winning bidder. He paid me promptly, and I sent him the deck. Everything went well until the deck entered England, where a COMPLETE AND TOTAL IDIOT in customs immediately SEIZED the deck because the IDIOT assumed that my buyer was importing the deck for re-sale! They slapped a duty of 82 pounds on it (about $165 U.S. dollars) and held it in customs. As if that weren't bad enough, THE IDIOT NEVER NOTIFIED MY BUYER THAT HIS PARCEL HAD BEEN SEIZED. My buyer never received ANY kind of notification whatsoever. Meanwhile, my buyer is asking me where his RX-202 was, and I am assuring him that I did indeed send it. My buyer never accused me of ripping him off; in fact, this man was very polite and patient with me at all times. I sent my buyer a copy of the customs form, which enabled him to eventually track his parcel's progress to the main customs house down in Coventry, England. But by that time, it was too late. Because no one had ever claimed it, my buyer's parcel was marked to be returned to me. This was over a month ago. Naturally, the deck never made it back to me. It has basically fallen off the face of the earth. I spoke with the U.S. postal authorities, and they have officially declared that the parcel is "irretrievably lost". They are sending me the insurance claim forms in a week or so. As far as the USPS is concerned, the matter is over and done with, and all I can do at this point is file the insurance paperwork and hope that my buyer can get back at least SOME of the 300 dollars that I insured the deck for. I know I should just file the insurance paperwork for my buyer and be done with it. But I really feel TERRIBLE about this whole situation. It happens that my buyer's wife is an invalid who is terminally ill. One of the few joys in her life is her fairly nice stereo system. My buyer was going to use the RX-202 to play books on tape that he gets for her from his local library. Before I go any further, I want to point out that I BELIEVE MY BUYER when he says 1) the deck never arrived, and 2) that he needed it for his sick wife. I have spoken to this very nice gentleman at length, and he has given me NO reason to doubt his story. He has an RX-505, but it is broken and they don't have the money to repair it. I told my buyer that if I should ever get another Nak that could run on UK voltage, he could have it for my cost. Well, it just so happens that I *have* acquired another RX-202 that can run on UK voltage. It needs a bit of work, but I can make it run; in fact, I have already gotten it running again. When I get this RX-202 back into shape and fully calibrated, I am going to FEDEX it to my buyer so his wife can enjoy it. The problem is that this RX-202's face got smashed in the mail coming to me. I need the following two parts: I need the black plastic semicircular tray part that sits at the very front of the cassette drawer. This part holds the clear plastic cassette window housing. I also need the clear plastic cassette housing. This is the "bay window" that you can see the cassette area through. I think I have gathered all of the other parts I need. Does anyone have a hopeless RX-202 that happens to have these two cosmetic parts? If you have either one or both of these parts, just name your price. I WANT TO HELP THESE PEOPLE. It's the least I can do for them after this whole fiasco. *andy* From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 20:00:23 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 19:00:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Advice on inferior tape recording In-Reply-To: <106658.9789.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <16859911.1202069543707.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <106658.9789.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10802041100u6f8d7a6cv3a539281b1bd7cec@mail.gmail.com> Try also www.gemm.com , never failed me yet and trust me, I do search for some obscure stuff. George On 2/4/08, fripp_em wrote: > Thanks everyone. The original CD was fine as far as I > remember. I was still playing LPs and cassettes when > everyone else had gone to CD, so I had someone make a > copy. I think their cassette deck was sitting unused > (they had converted to a digital recording studio) and > they didn't really pay attention to either the deck's > condition, or the route it was hanging off. I finally > did get a CD player, I just didn't like the sound of > the first generation players (I have an early pioneer > CD player that a friend gave me and I used it one or > twice and put it away. It's still in my garage > because I find it difficult to get rid of any junk). > > I think this release was on a label from France and > was never easy to get here. I've look on ebay, > amazon, google, etc., for some time now and will just > just keep on looking. It is amazing what you can > eventually find if you don't give up. > > Thanks, > David > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Mon Feb 4 23:50:12 2008 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 23:50:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes References: <002b01c86517$07a387f0$3201000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: <010701c86780$51d3f7e0$b207010a@hurtignok> Victor, October 2006 there was a thread at NakTalk: "Differences in calibration tapes?" covering some of the issues making the original Nakamichi test tapes. Khan from Mequon Manufacture LLC had apparently been working at Nakamichi and seemed to know quite a lot about making those tapes. Archive link http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/ Per Borgen, Denmark From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Feb 5 01:30:19 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:30:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Alignment cassettes In-Reply-To: <010701c86780$51d3f7e0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <002b01c86517$07a387f0$3201000a@gabrenas> <010701c86780$51d3f7e0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <000d01c8678e$4c793d10$e56bb730$@utah.edu> Thanks Per Borgen, The info is very useful. On another quest, does anyone know of a 1/4" tape supplier. I am looking for some large spools of type II and Metal bias cassette 1/4" tape. Also looking for leaders as well. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: Per [mailto:pdb at mit.bolignet.dk] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:50 PM To: gabrenas at math.utah.edu; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Alignment cassettes Victor, October 2006 there was a thread at NakTalk: "Differences in calibration tapes?" covering some of the issues making the original Nakamichi test tapes. Khan from Mequon Manufacture LLC had apparently been working at Nakamichi and seemed to know quite a lot about making those tapes. Archive link http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/ Per Borgen, Denmark From ampex500 at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 04:15:43 2008 From: ampex500 at gmail.com (bob forrest) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:15:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] lx 3 idler replacement In-Reply-To: <20078254.1202070424635.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <20078254.1202070424635.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4d7a408f0802041915s41436551if425f4f239010cda@mail.gmail.com> Hi Tom; Thanks for the great info. I will get some moly grease and use sparingly if needed. The 3 is defiitely worth restoring in my mind. I replaced the worn head with a donor from a 480 with frozen capstan pinch rollers. WOW what sonics. Used klipsch synergy 1's and a phase linear 400 ( low volume). Im tempted to re cap all electrolytics to see what the true capabilities of this deck are. I will run a 20 - 20 K freq plot at -20 dbm to see how close to spec I am. Best regards, and thanks again. Bob F On 2/3/08, Tom Brucker wrote: > > Full disassembly is the only option. Alcohol is a cleaner. There are some > rubber treatments that are "last resort" softeners, but the best thing to do > is replace it. Sean Sanborn has a new tire for the LX3 that looks pretty > good. > Ironically Nakamichi taught me that plastic on plastic or plastic on metal > did not need grease, and yet they installed it on the cam gear. I would > clean the sticky old grease off, and use moly or graphite type grease if I > had to have grease. > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: bob forrest > >Sent: Feb 2, 2008 12:43 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] lx 3 idler replacement > > > >Hello everybody. > > > >I am new to this forum and need some expertise. > > > >Can you replace the tire on a lx3 without splitting the transport case? > > > >Also what is the best lube to use on the plastic tape lift gears? > > > >And finally, is denatured isopropyl the best chemical to de glaze > transport > >belts? > > > >Thanks in advance for any help in this area. > > > >Best regards > >Bob F > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Do not > worry about the condition! > I have been posting this for a number of years at least once a year and > there do not seem to be any CR7s arround that are being slaughtered for > parts > The door that is amongst the parts auction on eBay at the moment is not a > CR7---I checked! > Tks > Walter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Feb 5 05:10:36 2008 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 06:10:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 or CR7A References: Message-ID: <001701c867ad$1003b260$88d117c4@home> Thanks for your intend! Only CR5 and CR7 are interchangable.The other CR series and BX series are also different sizes and dont fit! thanks Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: wdrewes at iafrica.com Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 or CR7A In a message dated 2/4/2008 10:55:41 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, wdrewes at iafrica.com writes: If anybody knows where I can get one or two Cassette Well Doors for the above please contact me for price etc As a CR5, CR5A has the same dimentions that would do as well! Do not worry about the condition! I have been posting this for a number of years at least once a year and there do not seem to be any CR7s arround that are being slaughtered for parts The door that is amongst the parts auction on eBay at the moment is not a CR7---I checked! I'm pretty sure this door will fit - eBay 140204521283 If there is somebody out there (Andy?) with both a BX machine and a CR-7, can you confirm this? I know the BX and CR 1-2-3-4 doors are interchangeable. Jeff W ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddickerson at austin.rr.com Tue Feb 5 05:33:16 2008 From: ddickerson at austin.rr.com (d. dickerson) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:33:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 480 autostop lamp... In-Reply-To: <106658.9789.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <106658.9789.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hello all, have discovered inoperative autostop lamp in newly acquired, not working, Nak 480...hope someone might point the way towards finding: Nak part #OB08466 or the acceptable substitute: 'any same-size lamp that is 12v-14v & 30-50mA' thanks to anyone who has been through this problem/solution for any advice...input...warnings and so forth... dave d, austin, tx From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Feb 5 17:50:37 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:50:37 EST Subject: [naktalk] lx 3 idler replacement Message-ID: Hi, The best classic idler tire I have found is from SMC Electronics, part number VCRIT32. The MCM part number is 32-710. These 2 aren't exactly the same - the SMC is very slightly smaller. They both work. If you're only getting 1, then Dean's listing on ebay is a good deal as it includes shipping. Here it is - 170191653150 Jeff W **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kulak at ozemail.com.au Wed Feb 6 00:00:36 2008 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:00:36 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 480 autostop lamp... References: <106658.9789.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ce01c8684a$ec4c6f80$6e00000a@corp.halex.com.au> dave, have a look at this item on ebay, have purchased vrious lamps in past from him. Item number: 230218240829 steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "d. dickerson" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] 480 autostop lamp... > > hello all, > > have discovered inoperative autostop lamp in newly acquired, not working, > Nak 480...hope someone might point the way towards finding: Nak part > #OB08466 or the acceptable substitute: 'any same-size lamp that is > 12v-14v & 30-50mA' > > thanks to anyone who has been through this problem/solution for any > advice...input...warnings and so forth... > > dave d, austin, tx > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Tue Feb 5 22:06:15 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:06:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Message-ID: Hi everyone, I just bought a Dragon from eBay which is optically like new. This Nak had been sitting in storage for the last 10 years. Everything on this deck works except it plays at almost 10 times faster speed than normal. I tested the speed by playing the whole 30 minute side of a 60 minute cassette which it played in roughly 3 minutes. Even at this high speed , NAAC works fine. I have checked the voltage for the reel motor on the logic pcb as well as the reel motor itself and it is correctly set at -4V DC as suggested by the service manual. Since I did not find any tape speed adjustment method in the service manual so I assume only the reel motor speed can be adjusted. I seems to me that the capstan shafts are also rotating at a higher speed, but there is no way for me to test that so I could be wrong. I know that this deck has dual direct drive motors but is there a way to adjust the tape speed as on other models or could it be something else which is causing this deck to behave in such a way? If anyone has experienced anything like this or know of any remedy, kindly let me know. Any feedback in this regard will be appreciated. Thanks. Regards, Nadeem _________________________________________________________________ Share what Santa brought you https://www.mycooluncool.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Tue Feb 5 13:14:55 2008 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:14:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? In-Reply-To: <20080125195331.PHZN10334.fep25.mail.dk@smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl> References: <34E02C275F67455BBDFF49B250D8B94B@number2> <20080125195331.PHZN10334.fep25.mail.dk@smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:18:32 -0800 (PST), Bob Naylor wrote: >Mike, On a previous PC that I had bought in 1999 (long gone now) had a CD-ROM drive and a CD burner (not a DVD). One particular song that I tried to RIP had a dropout (silence) for about one second. Same results for several different trys at the same spot in the song. When I would use the CD writer to > RIP this would not happen. All was well. Was there some kind of error correction in the software for the burner that wasn't in the ROM? Just curious. Thanks, Bob Most likely it was due to two different laser systems, and two different error handling systems, at work. The writer may have been a new addition to the system and the CD-ROM drive may have been the preferred drive for anything, so the decks may also have two widely dfferent histories of wear issues between them, also any one of the laser pickups could be working on borderline readability. it is quite conceivable that another specimen of that CD-ROM drive would have less problem or more problems reading the same disc. -Mikkel From N4229K at aol.com Tue Feb 5 16:19:05 2008 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:19:05 EST Subject: [naktalk] Retainer Washers Message-ID: Hi All: I do not list or sell retainer washers but if any one needs them I have plenty. They are not like the originals but better (check with Tom Bruckner) easier to handle and snap on and off easily. I will sell 10 for $20 shipped uninsured. Any quantity over that I must insure unless waved by the recipient. These were not cheap but work great. Just to let you know to people out of the naktalk realm I sell them for $3.50 each. In the next 2 or 3 months I plan to go through my nak stock and offer parts from decks I cannot or will not fix. I even have some complete decks I may sell. I'll post a list in the future as some may be interested. Best Regards, Dean E Sanborn 3106 Riverside Drive Wantagh NY 11793-4641 **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Tue Feb 5 19:06:02 2008 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:06:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 References: <8CA302CF5768864-7E4-3E62@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com><006401c86256$703218e0$0301a8c0@home> Message-ID: <016501c86821$c552b340$0201a8c0@home> Thanks Kermit I'll have a look... In the meantime I came across the manual for same, does it jog the grey cells any?? T . ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 Hi Terry, On Jan 29, 2008, at 3:07 AM, TERRY FINN wrote: Hi John I have a number of 300's which have had less and less use due to the scarce nature of batteries. I have toyed with the idea of converting them to run on phantom power but it is a bit messy component wise. The idea of running them on a 1.5V AA had not occurred to me, but from what you say, seems to work. If you have the time and can locate your notebook I would appreciate a copy of what you did.. Thanks Terry I once modified an AudioTechnica AT-813 to run of phantom power; like the Naka-mics it ran off an internal battery. Basically I disasembled a Shure SM-81 and copied the circuitry as closely as possible. the Shure could run off batteries or phantom power. I do not remember the details, but peek inside a Shure SM80 or SM81 to get inspired. As an epilogue, many years later, AudioTechnica issued the AT-813R, which could run off either battery or phantom. Guess what the wiring inside resembled? that's right, A Shure SM81! -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Best regards Bob F On 2/4/08, drewes wrote: If anybody knows where I can get one or two Cassette Well Doors for the above please contact me for price etc As a CR5, CR5A has the same dimentions that would do as well! Do not worry about the condition! I have been posting this for a number of years at least once a year and there do not seem to be any CR7s arround that are being slaughtered for parts The door that is amongst the parts auction on eBay at the moment is not a CR7---I checked! 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This particular deck had switchable voltage for worldwide use. This deck was MINT, with the original box and all original paperwork. A very nice gentleman from England was the winning bidder. He paid me promptly, and I sent him the deck. Everything went well until the deck entered England, where a COMPLETE AND TOTAL IDIOT in customs immediately SEIZED the deck because the IDIOT assumed that my buyer was importing the deck for re-sale! They slapped a duty of 82 pounds on it (about $165 U.S. dollars) and held it in customs. As if that weren't bad enough, THE IDIOT NEVER NOTIFIED MY BUYER THAT HIS PARCEL HAD BEEN SEIZED. My buyer never received ANY kind of notification whatsoever. Meanwhile, my buyer is asking me where his RX-202 was, and I am assuring him that I did indeed send it. My buyer never accused me of ripping him off; in fact, this man was very polite and patient with me at all times. I sent my buyer a copy of the customs form, which enabled him to eventually track his parcel's progress to the main customs house down in Coventry, England. But by that time, it was too late. Because no one had ever claimed it, my buyer's parcel was marked to be returned to me. This was over a month ago. Naturally, the deck never made it back to me. It has basically fallen off the face of the earth. I spoke with the U.S. postal authorities, and they have officially declared that the parcel is "irretrievably lost". They are sending me the insurance claim forms in a week or so. As far as the USPS is concerned, the matter is over and done with, and all I can do at this point is file the insurance paperwork and hope that my buyer can get back at least SOME of the 300 dollars that I insured the deck for. I know I should just file the insurance paperwork for my buyer and be done with it. But I really feel TERRIBLE about this whole situation. It happens that my buyer's wife is an invalid who is terminally ill. One of the few joys in her life is her fairly nice stereo system. My buyer was going to use the RX-202 to play books on tape that he gets for her from his local library. Before I go any further, I want to point out that I BELIEVE MY BUYER when he says 1) the deck never arrived, and 2) that he needed it for his sick wife. I have spoken to this very nice gentleman at length, and he has given me NO reason to doubt his story. He has an RX-505, but it is broken and they don't have the money to repair it. I told my buyer that if I should ever get another Nak that could run on UK voltage, he could have it for my cost. Well, it just so happens that I *have* acquired another RX-202 that can run on UK voltage. It needs a bit of work, but I can make it run; in fact, I have already gotten it running again. When I get this RX-202 back into shape and fully calibrated, I am going to FEDEX it to my buyer so his wife can enjoy it. The problem is that this RX-202's face got smashed in the mail coming to me. I need the following two parts: I need the black plastic semicircular tray part that sits at the very front of the cassette drawer. This part holds the clear plastic cassette window housing. I also need the clear plastic cassette housing. This is the "bay window" that you can see the cassette area through. I think I have gathered all of the other parts I need. Does anyone have a hopeless RX-202 that happens to have these two cosmetic parts? If you have either one or both of these parts, just name your price. I WANT TO HELP THESE PEOPLE. It's the least I can do for them after this whole fiasco. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 6 00:02:32 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:02:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 480 autostop lamp... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <565610.58089.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had a burned out lamp in an LX5. A friend gave me a lamp that was out of an amateur radio (VHF/UHF) display. Don't know the amperage but the bulb has been working fine for many hours of use. Bob "d. dickerson" wrote: hello all, have discovered inoperative autostop lamp in newly acquired, not working, Nak 480...hope someone might point the way towards finding: Nak part #OB08466 or the acceptable substitute: 'any same-size lamp that is 12v-14v & 30-50mA' thanks to anyone who has been through this problem/solution for any advice...input...warnings and so forth... dave d, austin, tx ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Feb 6 00:37:24 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:37:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 In-Reply-To: <016501c86821$c552b340$0201a8c0@home> References: <8CA302CF5768864-7E4-3E62@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com><006401c86256$703218e0$0301a8c0@home> <016501c86821$c552b340$0201a8c0@home> Message-ID: <1B824DC1-C668-4A8E-A869-37CD629BCC8A@kvglabs.com> Hi Terry! On Feb 5, 2008, at 12:06 PM, TERRY FINN wrote: > Thanks Kermit > > I'll have a look... > > In the meantime I came across the manual for same, does it jog the > grey cells any?? Oh yes, I think it definitely would prod unused grey cells into a active cogitative state. > T . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kermit Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:58 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 > > Hi Terry, > > > On Jan 29, 2008, at 3:07 AM, TERRY FINN wrote: > >> Hi John >> >> I have a number of 300's which have had less and less use due to >> the scarce nature of batteries. I have toyed with the idea of >> converting them to run on phantom power but it is a bit messy >> component wise. The idea of running them on a 1.5V AA had not >> occurred to me, but from what you say, seems to work. If you have >> the time and can locate your notebook I would appreciate a copy of >> what you did.. >> >> Thanks >> >> Terry > > I once modified an AudioTechnica AT-813 to run of phantom power; > like the Naka-mics it ran off an internal battery. Basically I > disasembled a Shure SM-81 and copied the circuitry as closely as > possible. the Shure could run off batteries or phantom power. I do > not remember the details, but peek inside a Shure SM80 or SM81 to > get inspired. > > As an epilogue, many years later, AudioTechnica issued the AT-813R, > which could run off either battery or phantom. Guess what the wiring > inside resembled? that's right, A Shure SM81! > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 01:09:40 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:09:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <47a8fac9.2009360a.676a.ffff9e23@mx.google.com> Nadeem - My guess is that the pinch rollers are not engaging, making the speed of the capstains irrelevant. The pinch rollers are on pivot arms which were factory lubed with a lubricant which hardens with time. It's a very common fault with a machine which has been stored for some time. The pivot arms must be removed and all the old lubricant cleaned from the shafts and pivot arms, then relubed and reassembled. It's a bit tedious. The main problem is, the tape guides live on those pivot arms, so when they are reassembled, they must be reset which requires the Nakamichi EH Stroke Check Guage M-9051. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Hi everyone, I just bought a Dragon from eBay which is optically like new. This Nak had been sitting in storage for the last 10 years. Everything on this deck works except it plays at almost 10 times faster speed than normal. I tested the speed by playing the whole 30 minute side of a 60 minute cassette which it played in roughly 3 minutes. Even at this high speed , NAAC works fine. I have checked the voltage for the reel motor on the logic pcb as well as the reel motor itself and it is correctly set at -4V DC as suggested by the service manual. Since I did not find any tape speed adjustment method in the service manual so I assume only the reel motor speed can be adjusted. I seems to me that the capstan shafts are also rotating at a higher speed, but there is no way for me to test that so I could be wrong. I know that this deck has dual direct drive motors but is there a way to adjust the tape speed as on other models or could it be something else which is causing this deck to behave in such a way? If anyone has experienced anything like this or know of any remedy, kindly let me know. Any feedback in this regard will be appreciated. Thanks. Regards, Nadeem _____ Everything in one place. All new Windows Live! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Wed Feb 6 00:37:08 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:37:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] bulk spools of 1/8" tape media Message-ID: <002f01c86850$08c32be0$1a4983a0$@utah.edu> OOOpppppsss!!! I meant 1/8" Thanks Per Borgen, The info is very useful. On another quest, does anyone know of a 1/8" tape supplier. I am looking for some large spools of type II and Metal bias cassette 1/8" tape. Also looking for leaders as well. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: Per [mailto:pdb at mit.bolignet.dk] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:50 PM To: gabrenas at math.utah.edu; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Alignment cassettes Victor, October 2006 there was a thread at NakTalk: "Differences in calibration tapes?" covering some of the issues making the original Nakamichi test tapes. Khan from Mequon Manufacture LLC had apparently been working at Nakamichi and seemed to know quite a lot about making those tapes. Archive link http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/ Per Borgen, Denmark ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Feb 5 16:07:34 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 09:07:34 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] PARTS NEEDED - A SPECIAL CASE....PLEASE READ (LONG)...... Message-ID: <24424757.1202224054874.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The US customs form has a check box for "returned goods". Always check this as it make the used item a repair rather than an import. It would be neat to collect the various tricks for avoiding customs duties by country. For example, Manos advised me that an item over $80 US has different customs treatment in Greece than less valuable items. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Feb 4, 2008 4:22 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] PARTS NEEDED - A SPECIAL CASE....PLEASE READ (LONG)...... > > >OK, once again I have a request for parts, but this time, there is a story behind it. > >About three months ago, I sold a beautiful RX-202 on eBay. This particular deck had switchable voltage for worldwide use. This deck was MINT, with the original box and all original paperwork. > >A very nice gentleman from England was the winning bidder. He paid me promptly, and I sent him the deck. Everything went well until the deck entered England, where a COMPLETE AND TOTAL IDIOT in customs immediately SEIZED the deck because the IDIOT assumed that my buyer was importing the deck for re-sale! They slapped a duty of 82 pounds on it (about $165 U.S. dollars) and held it in customs. > >As if that weren't bad enough, THE IDIOT NEVER NOTIFIED MY BUYER THAT HIS PARCEL HAD BEEN SEIZED. My buyer never received ANY kind of notification whatsoever. > >Meanwhile, my buyer is asking me where his RX-202 was, and I am assuring him that I did indeed send it. My buyer never accused me of ripping him off; in fact, this man was very polite and patient with me at all times. > >I sent my buyer a copy of the customs form, which enabled him to eventually track his parcel's progress to the main customs house down in Coventry, England. > >But by that time, it was too late. Because no one had ever claimed it, my buyer's parcel was marked to be returned to me. This was over a month ago. > >Naturally, the deck never made it back to me. It has basically fallen off the face of the earth. I spoke with the U.S. postal authorities, and they have officially declared that the parcel is "irretrievably lost". They are sending me the insurance claim forms in a week or so. As far as the USPS is concerned, the matter is over and done with, and all I can do at this point is file the insurance paperwork and hope that my buyer can get back at least SOME of the 300 dollars that I insured the deck for. > >I know I should just file the insurance paperwork for my buyer and be done with it. But I really feel TERRIBLE about this whole situation. It happens that my buyer's wife is an invalid who is terminally ill. One of the few joys in her life is her fairly nice stereo system. My buyer was going to use the RX-202 to play books on tape that he gets for her from his local library. > >Before I go any further, I want to point out that I BELIEVE MY BUYER when he says 1) the deck never arrived, and 2) that he needed it for his sick wife. I have spoken to this very nice gentleman at length, and he has given me NO reason to doubt his story. He has an RX-505, but it is broken and they don't have the money to repair it. > >I told my buyer that if I should ever get another Nak that could run on UK voltage, he could have it for my cost. > >Well, it just so happens that I *have* acquired another RX-202 that can run on UK voltage. It needs a bit of work, but I can make it run; in fact, I have already gotten it running again. When I get this RX-202 back into shape and fully calibrated, I am going to FEDEX it to my buyer so his wife can enjoy it. > >The problem is that this RX-202's face got smashed in the mail coming to me. > >I need the following two parts: > >I need the black plastic semicircular tray part that sits at the very front of the cassette drawer. This part holds the clear plastic cassette window housing. > >I also need the clear plastic cassette housing. This is the "bay window" that you can see the cassette area through. > >I think I have gathered all of the other parts I need. > >Does anyone have a hopeless RX-202 that happens to have these two cosmetic parts? > >If you have either one or both of these parts, just name your price. I WANT TO HELP THESE PEOPLE. It's the least I can do for them after this whole fiasco. > >*andy* > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Wed Feb 6 11:16:48 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:16:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! In-Reply-To: <47a8fac9.2009360a.676a.ffff9e23@mx.google.com> References: <47a8fac9.2009360a.676a.ffff9e23@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Willy, Thanks for your feedback, your guess was spot on. Both the pinch rollers do not engage the capstan shaft. The right roller moves up half the way and the left one only moves slightly. The method you suggested to fix this problem is the perfect solution but the problem is that I am currently on a tight budget after spending all my extra cash on this deck and cannot afford to have it serviced by B&W UK as they are quite expensive. And I do not have the Stroke Check Guage to be able to do it myself. Is there any other way without having to disassemble the roller assembly? Any solvent or de-greaser anything which can be used to clean the old waxed grease without taking apart the roller arms? Best regards, Nadeem From: willyherm at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help!Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:09:40 -0800 Nadeem – My guess is that the pinch rollers are not engaging, making the speed of the capstains irrelevant. The pinch rollers are on pivot arms which were factory lubed with a lubricant which hardens with time. It’s a very common fault with a machine which has been stored for some time. The pivot arms must be removed and all the old lubricant cleaned from the shafts and pivot arms, then relubed and reassembled. It’s a bit tedious. The main problem is, the tape guides live on those pivot arms, so when they are reassembled, they must be reset which requires the Nakamichi EH Stroke Check Guage M-9051. Willy From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes BenzSent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:06 PMTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Hi everyone, I just bought a Dragon from eBay which is optically like new. This Nak had been sitting in storage for the last 10 years. Everything on this deck works except it plays at almost 10 times faster speed than normal. I tested the speed by playing the whole 30 minute side of a 60 minute cassette which it played in roughly 3 minutes. Even at this high speed , NAAC works fine. I have checked the voltage for the reel motor on the logic pcb as well as the reel motor itself and it is correctly set at -4V DC as suggested by the service manual. Since I did not find any tape speed adjustment method in the service manual so I assume only the reel motor speed can be adjusted. I seems to me that the capstan shafts are also rotating at a higher speed, but there is no way for me to test that so I could be wrong. I know that this deck has dual direct drive motors but is there a way to adjust the tape speed as on other models or could it be something else which is causing this deck to behave in such a way? If anyone has experienced anything like this or know of any remedy, kindly let me know. Any feedback in this regard will be appreciated. Thanks. Regards,Nadeem Everything in one place. All new Windows Live! _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Feb 6 14:00:45 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:00:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Message-ID: <020620081300.25252.47A9AF7D000BBB13000062A422155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Good call on the most likely problem with the Dragon, Willy! However, I just fixed a customer's RX-505 that had frozen pinch rollers, and instead of a gauge, I used my Nakamichi tape traveling cassette to align them. It worked great, and both pinch rollers were perfectly aligned. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Feb 6 14:05:20 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:05:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] PARTS NEEDED - A SPECIAL CASE....PLEASE READ (LONG)...... Message-ID: <020620081305.3439.47A9B090000E399D00000D6F22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Tom wrote: > The US customs form has a check box for > "returned goods". Always check this as it make > the used item a repair rather than an import. It > would be neat to collect the various tricks for > avoiding customs duties by country. For example, > Manos advised me that an item over $80 US has > different customs treatment in Greece than less > valuable items. That's good information, Tom, and handy to know. I have seen the "returned goods" portion of the customs form and had never thought to ask what it meant. Hindsight tells me that if I had checked it like you suggest, my buyer might be enjoying that RX-202 right now. Still, if I can get this recently-acquired international RX-202 in shape, I can make it up to him. *andy* From willyherm at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 18:05:06 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:05:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <47a9e8c8.0b0c360a.413c.ffffefa1@mx.google.com> Nadeem - I have never found a way to adequately free those shafts short of removal of the rockers. You'll see when you get it apart how solid the lubricant becomes. In fact, I have had an occasional problem in pulling the shafts out of the casting rather than the rocker off the shaft. See if you can figure out some way to accurately measure the height of those guides - maybe even marking each ones height off the plinth on a probe - to get them back in the same place. Resetting with the traveling tape as Andy suggested I've not had any luck with. Careful measurement should do the trick, though you may need to tweak the play and record head azimuths afterwards. I don't charge as much as B&W UK, but getting the deck here would eat up the difference. Best of luck. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:17 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Willy, Thanks for your feedback, your guess was spot on. Both the pinch rollers do not engage the capstan shaft. The right roller moves up half the way and the left one only moves slightly. The method you suggested to fix this problem is the perfect solution but the problem is that I am currently on a tight budget after spending all my extra cash on this deck and cannot afford to have it serviced by B&W UK as they are quite expensive. And I do not have the Stroke Check Guage to be able to do it myself. Is there any other way without having to disassemble the roller assembly? Any solvent or de-greaser anything which can be used to clean the old waxed grease without taking apart the roller arms? Best regards, Nadeem _____ From: willyherm at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:09:40 -0800 Nadeem - My guess is that the pinch rollers are not engaging, making the speed of the capstains irrelevant. The pinch rollers are on pivot arms which were factory lubed with a lubricant which hardens with time. It's a very common fault with a machine which has been stored for some time. The pivot arms must be removed and all the old lubricant cleaned from the shafts and pivot arms, then relubed and reassembled. It's a bit tedious. The main problem is, the tape guides live on those pivot arms, so when they are reassembled, they must be reset which requires the Nakamichi EH Stroke Check Guage M-9051. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Hi everyone, I just bought a Dragon from eBay which is optically like new. This Nak had been sitting in storage for the last 10 years. Everything on this deck works except it plays at almost 10 times faster speed than normal. I tested the speed by playing the whole 30 minute side of a 60 minute cassette which it played in roughly 3 minutes. Even at this high speed , NAAC works fine. I have checked the voltage for the reel motor on the logic pcb as well as the reel motor itself and it is correctly set at -4V DC as suggested by the service manual. Since I did not find any tape speed adjustment method in the service manual so I assume only the reel motor speed can be adjusted. I seems to me that the capstan shafts are also rotating at a higher speed, but there is no way for me to test that so I could be wrong. I know that this deck has dual direct drive motors but is there a way to adjust the tape speed as on other models or could it be something else which is causing this deck to behave in such a way? If anyone has experienced anything like this or know of any remedy, kindly let me know. Any feedback in this regard will be appreciated. Thanks. Regards, Nadeem _____ Everything in one place. All new Windows Live! _____ Think you know your TV, music and film? Try Search Charades! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 6 15:53:08 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:53:08 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] bulk spools of 1/8 Message-ID: <10990403.1202309588773.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Where were the major US cassette duplicating plants located? I know Nashville had one of the last 8-track manufacturers. I guess I will ask around here. I imagine a duplicator would have a good supply of tape on hand. How about contacting Mobile Fidelity or Whindym Hill records? Didn't they master some cassettes on metal tape? tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Victor Gabrenas >Sent: Feb 5, 2008 5:37 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] bulk spools of 1/8" tape media > >OOOpppppsss!!! I meant 1/8" > >Thanks Per Borgen, The info is very useful. >On another quest, does anyone know of a 1/8" tape supplier. I am looking for >some large spools of type II and Metal bias cassette 1/8" tape. Also looking >for leaders as well. > >Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 >University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 >Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Per [mailto:pdb at mit.bolignet.dk] >Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:50 PM >To: gabrenas at math.utah.edu; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Alignment cassettes > >Victor, October 2006 there was a thread at NakTalk: >"Differences in calibration tapes?" covering some >of the issues making the original Nakamichi test >tapes. Khan from Mequon Manufacture LLC had >apparently been working at Nakamichi and seemed >to know quite a lot about making those tapes. Archive >link http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/ >Per Borgen, Denmark > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Feb 6 15:20:52 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 06:20:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <29525.8220.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Nadeem since Dragon is not the easiest to work with - for person not worked on particularly Dragon, it is worthwhile sending it to B&W. The issue does not get resolved with just correcting pivot of the pinch rollars and getting the correct head height is not exactly the same as the other classic Nak transport . - I am not discouraging you but Dragon can be troublesome as I have been working on regularly with Dragon. Also I have not found an easy way of removing the frozen pinch rollars pivot with this grease using plain chemical solvent! My 2 cents to this issue kannan Mercedes Benz wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Willy, Thanks for your feedback, your guess was spot on. Both the pinch rollers do not engage the capstan shaft. The right roller moves up half the way and the left one only moves slightly. The method you suggested to fix this problem is the perfect solution but the problem is that I am currently on a tight budget after spending all my extra cash on this deck and cannot afford to have it serviced by B&W UK as they are quite expensive. And I do not have the Stroke Check Guage to be able to do it myself. Is there any other way without having to disassemble the roller assembly? Any solvent or de-greaser anything which can be used to clean the old waxed grease without taking apart the roller arms? Best regards, Nadeem --------------------------------- From: willyherm at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:09:40 -0800 .ExternalClass .EC_shape {;} .ExternalClass EC_p.MsoNormal, .ExternalClass EC_li.MsoNormal, .ExternalClass EC_div.MsoNormal {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} .ExternalClass a:link, .ExternalClass EC_span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} .ExternalClass a:visited, .ExternalClass EC_span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} .ExternalClass p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} .ExternalClass EC_span.EmailStyle18 {font-family:Arial;color:blue;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none none;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in;} .ExternalClass EC_div.Section1 {page:Section1;} Nadeem – My guess is that the pinch rollers are not engaging, making the speed of the capstains irrelevant. The pinch rollers are on pivot arms which were factory lubed with a lubricant which hardens with time. It’s a very common fault with a machine which has been stored for some time. The pivot arms must be removed and all the old lubricant cleaned from the shafts and pivot arms, then relubed and reassembled. It’s a bit tedious. The main problem is, the tape guides live on those pivot arms, so when they are reassembled, they must be reset which requires the Nakamichi EH Stroke Check Guage M-9051. Willy --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Hi everyone, I just bought a Dragon from eBay which is optically like new. This Nak had been sitting in storage for the last 10 years. Everything on this deck works except it plays at almost 10 times faster speed than normal. I tested the speed by playing the whole 30 minute side of a 60 minute cassette which it played in roughly 3 minutes. Even at this high speed , NAAC works fine. I have checked the voltage for the reel motor on the logic pcb as well as the reel motor itself and it is correctly set at -4V DC as suggested by the service manual. Since I did not find any tape speed adjustment method in the service manual so I assume only the reel motor speed can be adjusted. I seems to me that the capstan shafts are also rotating at a higher speed, but there is no way for me to test that so I could be wrong. I know that this deck has dual direct drive motors but is there a way to adjust the tape speed as on other models or could it be something else which is causing this deck to behave in such a way? If anyone has experienced anything like this or know of any remedy, kindly let me know. Any feedback in this regard will be appreciated. Thanks. Regards, Nadeem --------------------------------- Everything in one place. All new Windows Live! --------------------------------- Think you know your TV, music and film? Try Search Charades! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Wed Feb 6 16:16:42 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:16:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! In-Reply-To: <020620081300.25252.47A9AF7D000BBB13000062A422155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <020620081300.25252.47A9AF7D000BBB13000062A422155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Andy, Thanks for sharing your experience. Is there an easy way to overcome this problem on a Dragon? I downloaded the service manual but I cannot find any instructions on how to dis-assemble the roller assembly. Also, the srevice manual suggests to use a modified Tape Travelling Cassette instead of the standard Nakamich Tape Travelling Cassette. Here is what it says : "2.10 Tape Travelling Adjustment The adjustment shall be made with the modified version of the current type EXII C90 (error will be made if current type Tape Travelling Cassette (DA09011A) should be used for this purpose) While modifying an EXII C90, the tape guides in the cassette housing shall be kept protected to avoid tilt." Does it mean that any EXII C90 cassette can be modified (as shown in the figure in service manual) to be used for this adjustment. If that is the case and if I can find some instructions on how to take the roller assembly apart, then I can try cleaning and lubricating the roller assembly and align the pinch rollers using this modified tape travelling cassette. By the way I called B&W to ask for a quote for this fix and they said that it would cost me something like £150 ($300 approx.) and 3-4 weeks before they can return the deck back to me. Nadeem > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net> To: willyherm at gmail.com> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help!> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:00:45 +0000> CC: naktalk at naks.com> > > Good call on the most likely problem with the Dragon, Willy!> > However, I just fixed a customer's RX-505 that had frozen pinch rollers, and instead of a gauge, I used my Nakamichi tape traveling cassette to align them. It worked great, and both pinch rollers were perfectly aligned.> > > *andy*> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Feb 6 16:34:36 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:34:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Retainer Washers In-Reply-To: <200802061105.m16B26DI031512@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <16210.44648.qm@web60516.mail.yahoo.com> Dean, I think you will find most of us here very receptive to used Nak parts and used Nak decks. A lot of us are waiting for that 'one little part' to turn up somewhere or a back-up parts deck. Let us know what you have. I would be especially interested in anything RX-505 related. Kevin > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:19:05 EST > From: N4229K at aol.com > Subject: [naktalk] Retainer Washers > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi All: > > I do not list or sell retainer washers but if any > one needs them I have > plenty. They are not like the originals but better > (check with Tom Bruckner) > easier to handle and snap on and off easily. I will > sell 10 for $20 shipped > uninsured. Any quantity over that I must insure > unless waved by the recipient. > These were not cheap but work great. > Just to let you know to people out of the naktalk > realm I sell them for > $3.50 each. > > In the next 2 or 3 months I plan to go through my > nak stock and offer parts > from decks I cannot or will not fix. I even have > some complete decks I may > sell. I'll post a list in the future as some may be > interested. > > Best Regards, > > Dean E Sanborn > 3106 Riverside Drive > Wantagh NY 11793-4641 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Feb 6 20:24:02 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:24:02 EST Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Message-ID: In a message dated 2/6/2008 11:08:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk writes: By the way I called B&W to ask for a quote for this fix and they said that it would cost me something like £150 ($300 approx.) and 3-4 weeks before they can return the deck back to me. That's not an outrageous cost for a repair that requires dismantling the transport and re-aligning it. Their turn around time is very reasonable, considering the 54 weeks it took ESL here in the States to rebuild my ZX-7 after telling me it would be "in the priority queue." Jeff W **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Wed Feb 6 20:58:00 2008 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:58:00 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak parts for a damaged deck Message-ID: Hi Andy: I have RX 202 Tray parts. Not any clear lens are for sale as I have very few. Just a note I do have replacement tires for the old round type idler used in the 480 for example. I have never found any rhyme or reason to the 505 type tyre and this round type. As far as models or dates of when what type was put in what???? Confused? Me too. Regards, Dean E Sanborn 3106 Riverside Drive Wantagh NY 11793 **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 6 16:01:39 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:01:39 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Message-ID: <31959677.1202310099052.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Andy is correct. The tape travel gauge is also known as a mirror cassette, and is available from Teac. Aligning guide height by this method is tedious and chews up the mirror cassette pretty quickly. The method is to repair the supply side guide only, reinstall it, and align its height after forcing the take up guide pinch roller to engage. Correct height is achieved when the tape edges do not curl. The take up side guide is then removed, repaired and aligned. I have seen a few decks where the guide pins have pulled out a bit so that the guide heights are wrong on both sides. If you suspect the guides have pulled out, get your deck to a servicer with gauges. The Majerus/Gabrenus 3M gauge clone that will soon be in production would be my tool of choice for guide alignment. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Feb 6, 2008 7:00 AM >To: willyherm at gmail.com >Cc: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! > > >Good call on the most likely problem with the Dragon, Willy! > >However, I just fixed a customer's RX-505 that had frozen pinch rollers, and instead of a gauge, I used my Nakamichi tape traveling cassette to align them. It worked great, and both pinch rollers were perfectly aligned. > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 6 15:46:15 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:46:15 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Message-ID: <6640511.1202309175930.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Wed Feb 6 22:41:01 2008 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:41:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! In-Reply-To: References: <020620081300.25252.47A9AF7D000BBB13000062A422155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0349D288-9CAF-47A5-8168-D56D27A24025@thegreatbear.net> i'd definitely send it to b&w - their costs seem really reasonable - they have an RX505 of mine at the moment which needs a new idler tyre - not the easy one, this is the really hard one and their initial quote was around £150 - £200 GBP for a full strip down of the transport, service and calibration afterwards - i've done several stuck pinch pivots before and managed to get the guide back ok (i think) by trial and error using a homemade tape travel tape - but this was only with one stuck guide not two - my understanding is that with one pivot to be removed you still have the good guide as a reference, as long as that one hasn't been tweaked though! adrian On 6 Feb 2008, at 15:16, Mercedes Benz wrote: > Hi Andy, > > Thanks for sharing your experience. > > Is there an easy way to overcome this problem on a Dragon? I > downloaded the service manual but I cannot find any instructions on > how to dis-assemble the roller assembly. > > Also, the srevice manual suggests to use a modified Tape Travelling > Cassette instead of the standard Nakamich Tape Travelling Cassette. > Here is what it says : > > "2.10 Tape Travelling Adjustment > The adjustment shall be made with the modified version of the > current type EXII C90 (error will be made if current type Tape > Travelling Cassette (DA09011A) should be used for this purpose) > While modifying an EXII C90, the tape guides in the cassette housing > shall be kept protected to avoid tilt." > > Does it mean that any EXII C90 cassette can be modified (as shown in > the figure in service manual) to be used for this adjustment. If > that is the case and if I can find some instructions on how to take > the roller assembly apart, then I can try cleaning and lubricating > the roller assembly and align the pinch rollers using this modified > tape travelling cassette. > > By the way I called B&W to ask for a quote for this fix and they > said that it would cost me something like £150 ($300 approx.) and > 3-4 weeks before they can return the deck back to me. > > Nadeem > > > > > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > > To: willyherm at gmail.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! > > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:00:45 +0000 > > CC: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Good call on the most likely problem with the Dragon, Willy! > > > > However, I just fixed a customer's RX-505 that had frozen pinch > rollers, and instead of a gauge, I used my Nakamichi tape traveling > cassette to align them. It worked great, and both pinch rollers were > perfectly aligned. > > > > > > *andy* > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > Sounds like? How many syllables? Guess and win prizes with Search > Charades! > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 7 02:35:43 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:35:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] bulk spools of 1/8 In-Reply-To: <10990403.1202309588773.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10990403.1202309588773.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47AA606F.3060507@rcn.com> 1/8"??? Is that for a cassette? I always thought tape in standard cassettes was 0.150" wide. -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > Where were the major US cassette duplicating plants located? I know Nashville had one of the last 8-track manufacturers. I guess I will ask around here. I imagine a duplicator would have a good supply of tape on hand. How about contacting Mobile Fidelity or Whindym Hill records? Didn't they master some cassettes on metal tape? > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Victor Gabrenas >> Sent: Feb 5, 2008 5:37 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] bulk spools of 1/8" tape media >> >> OOOpppppsss!!! I meant 1/8" >> >> Thanks Per Borgen, The info is very useful. >> On another quest, does anyone know of a 1/8" tape supplier. I am looking for >> some large spools of type II and Metal bias cassette 1/8" tape. Also looking >> for leaders as well. >> >> Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 >> University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 >> Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >> 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >> Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Per [mailto:pdb at mit.bolignet.dk] >> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:50 PM >> To: gabrenas at math.utah.edu; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Alignment cassettes >> >> Victor, October 2006 there was a thread at NakTalk: >> "Differences in calibration tapes?" covering some >> of the issues making the original Nakamichi test >> tapes. Khan from Mequon Manufacture LLC had >> apparently been working at Nakamichi and seemed >> to know quite a lot about making those tapes. Archive >> link http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/ >> Per Borgen, Denmark >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From orders at pennysconstruction.com Thu Feb 7 03:16:42 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:16:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] PARTS NEEDED - A SPECIAL CASE....PLEASE READ(LONG)...... References: <24424757.1202224054874.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Tom I think that's a great idea. It could help so of the rest of us, me for example, we sell other stuff on Ebay too. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Brucker" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] PARTS NEEDED - A SPECIAL CASE....PLEASE READ(LONG)...... > The US customs form has a check box for "returned goods". Always check > this as it make the used item a repair rather than an import. It would be > neat to collect the various tricks for avoiding customs duties by country. > For example, Manos advised me that an item over $80 US has different > customs treatment in Greece than less valuable items. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >>From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >>Sent: Feb 4, 2008 4:22 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] PARTS NEEDED - A SPECIAL CASE....PLEASE READ >>(LONG)...... >> >> >>OK, once again I have a request for parts, but this time, there is a story >>behind it. >> >>About three months ago, I sold a beautiful RX-202 on eBay. This >>particular deck had switchable voltage for worldwide use. This deck was >>MINT, with the original box and all original paperwork. >> >>A very nice gentleman from England was the winning bidder. He paid me >>promptly, and I sent him the deck. Everything went well until the deck >>entered England, where a COMPLETE AND TOTAL IDIOT in customs immediately >>SEIZED the deck because the IDIOT assumed that my buyer was importing the >>deck for re-sale! They slapped a duty of 82 pounds on it (about $165 U.S. >>dollars) and held it in customs. >> >>As if that weren't bad enough, THE IDIOT NEVER NOTIFIED MY BUYER THAT HIS >>PARCEL HAD BEEN SEIZED. My buyer never received ANY kind of notification >>whatsoever. >> >>Meanwhile, my buyer is asking me where his RX-202 was, and I am assuring >>him that I did indeed send it. My buyer never accused me of ripping him >>off; in fact, this man was very polite and patient with me at all times. >> >>I sent my buyer a copy of the customs form, which enabled him to >>eventually track his parcel's progress to the main customs house down in >>Coventry, England. >> >>But by that time, it was too late. Because no one had ever claimed it, my >>buyer's parcel was marked to be returned to me. This was over a month >>ago. >> >>Naturally, the deck never made it back to me. It has basically fallen off >>the face of the earth. I spoke with the U.S. postal authorities, and they >>have officially declared that the parcel is "irretrievably lost". They >>are sending me the insurance claim forms in a week or so. As far as the >>USPS is concerned, the matter is over and done with, and all I can do at >>this point is file the insurance paperwork and hope that my buyer can get >>back at least SOME of the 300 dollars that I insured the deck for. >> >>I know I should just file the insurance paperwork for my buyer and be done >>with it. But I really feel TERRIBLE about this whole situation. It >>happens that my buyer's wife is an invalid who is terminally ill. One of >>the few joys in her life is her fairly nice stereo system. My buyer was >>going to use the RX-202 to play books on tape that he gets for her from >>his local library. >> >>Before I go any further, I want to point out that I BELIEVE MY BUYER when >>he says 1) the deck never arrived, and 2) that he needed it for his sick >>wife. I have spoken to this very nice gentleman at length, and he has >>given me NO reason to doubt his story. He has an RX-505, but it is broken >>and they don't have the money to repair it. >> >>I told my buyer that if I should ever get another Nak that could run on UK >>voltage, he could have it for my cost. >> >>Well, it just so happens that I *have* acquired another RX-202 that can >>run on UK voltage. It needs a bit of work, but I can make it run; in >>fact, I have already gotten it running again. When I get this RX-202 back >>into shape and fully calibrated, I am going to FEDEX it to my buyer so his >>wife can enjoy it. >> >>The problem is that this RX-202's face got smashed in the mail coming to >>me. >> >>I need the following two parts: >> >>I need the black plastic semicircular tray part that sits at the very >>front of the cassette drawer. This part holds the clear plastic cassette >>window housing. >> >>I also need the clear plastic cassette housing. This is the "bay window" >>that you can see the cassette area through. >> >>I think I have gathered all of the other parts I need. >> >>Does anyone have a hopeless RX-202 that happens to have these two cosmetic >>parts? >> >>If you have either one or both of these parts, just name your price. I >>WANT TO HELP THESE PEOPLE. It's the least I can do for them after this >>whole fiasco. >> >>*andy* >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Thu Feb 7 09:09:28 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:09:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! In-Reply-To: <29525.8220.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <29525.8220.qm@web33312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Willy, Andy, Kannan and Jeff W for all your views. In light of your suggestions and careful consideration (and the fact that I am not experienced at this), I have decided that my Dragon is going to B&W for repair. Thanks for all your help. Best regards, Nadeem Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 06:20:52 -0800From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help!To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Nadeem since Dragon is not the easiest to work with - for person not worked on particularly Dragon, it is worthwhile sending it to B&W. The issue does not get resolved with just correcting pivot of the pinch rollars and getting the correct head height is not exactly the same as the other classic Nak transport . - I am not discouraging you but Dragon can be troublesome as I have been working on regularly with Dragon. Also I have not found an easy way of removing the frozen pinch rollars pivot with this grease using plain chemical solvent! My 2 cents to this issue kannanMercedes Benz wrote: Willy, Thanks for your feedback, your guess was spot on. Both the pinch rollers do not engage the capstan shaft. The right roller moves up half the way and the left one only moves slightly. The method you suggested to fix this problem is the perfect solution but the problem is that I am currently on a tight budget after spending all my extra cash on this deck and cannot afford to have it serviced by B&W UK as they are quite expensive. And I do not have the Stroke Check Guage to be able to do it myself.Is there any other way without having to disassemble the roller assembly? Any solvent or de-greaser anything which can be used to clean the old waxed grease without taking apart the roller arms? Best regards,Nadeem From: willyherm at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help!Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:09:40 -0800 Nadeem – My guess is that the pinch rollers are not engaging, making the speed of the capstains irrelevant. The pinch rollers are on pivot arms which were factory lubed with a lubricant which hardens with time. It’s a very common fault with a machine which has been stored for some time. The pivot arms must be removed and all the old lubricant cleaned from the shafts and pivot arms, then relubed and reassembled. It’s a bit tedious. The main problem is, the tape guides live on those pivot arms, so when they are reassembled, they must be reset which requires the Nakamichi EH Stroke Check Guage M-9051. Willy From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes BenzSent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:06 PMTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Hi everyone, I just bought a Dragon from eBay which is optically like new. This Nak had been sitting in storage for the last 10 years. Everything on this deck works except it plays at almost 10 times faster speed than normal. I tested the speed by playing the whole 30 minute side of a 60 minute cassette which it played in roughly 3 minutes. Even at this high speed , NAAC works fine. I have checked the voltage for the reel motor on the logic pcb as well as the reel motor itself and it is correctly set at -4V DC as suggested by the service manual. Since I did not find any tape speed adjustment method in the service manual so I assume only the reel motor speed can be adjusted. I seems to me that the capstan shafts are also rotating at a higher speed, but there is no way for me to test that so I could be wrong. I know that this deck has dual direct drive motors but is there a way to adjust the tape speed as on other models or could it be something else which is causing this deck to behave in such a way? If anyone has experienced anything like this or know of any remedy, kindly let me know. Any feedback in this regard will be appreciated. Thanks. Regards,Nadeem Everything in one place. All new Windows Live! Think you know your TV, music and film? Try Search Charades! ========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _________________________________________________________________ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at eslabs.com Thu Feb 7 14:43:52 2008 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:43:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! References: <6640511.1202309175930.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008301c8698f$7c3c5e30$7001a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> Hi Tom, No, I have not seen this tool. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ------------------------------------------------------- ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, include this e-mail within your reply. ------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:46 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! I agree with Willy. Willy, I remove the brass collar and then remove the guide. On totally frozen units I remove the stainless pin. Have you noticed the slots at the bottom of the pin? Obviously there was a tool made that fit into the slot allowing a precise height adjustment of the guide. Have you ever seen that tool? It would be extremely useful if a NakTalker with machining knowledge would build a tool for us in the service end. Jeff Galin, have you seen this tool? tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Willy Hermann Sent: Feb 5, 2008 6:09 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Nadeem – My guess is that the pinch rollers are not engaging, making the speed of the capstains irrelevant. The pinch rollers are on pivot arms which were factory lubed with a lubricant which hardens with time. It’s a very common fault with a machine which has been stored for some time. The pivot arms must be removed and all the old lubricant cleaned from the shafts and pivot arms, then relubed and reassembled. It’s a bit tedious. The main problem is, the tape guides live on those pivot arms, so when they are reassembled, they must be reset which requires the Nakamichi EH Stroke Check Guage M-9051. Willy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Hi everyone, I just bought a Dragon from eBay which is optically like new. This Nak had been sitting in storage for the last 10 years. Everything on this deck works except it plays at almost 10 times faster speed than normal. I tested the speed by playing the whole 30 minute side of a 60 minute cassette which it played in roughly 3 minutes. Even at this high speed , NAAC works fine. I have checked the voltage for the reel motor on the logic pcb as well as the reel motor itself and it is correctly set at -4V DC as suggested by the service manual. Since I did not find any tape speed adjustment method in the service manual so I assume only the reel motor speed can be adjusted. I seems to me that the capstan shafts are also rotating at a higher speed, but there is no way for me to test that so I could be wrong. I know that this deck has dual direct drive motors but is there a way to adjust the tape speed as on other models or could it be something else which is causing this deck to behave in such a way? If anyone has experienced anything like this or know of any remedy, kindly let me know. Any feedback in this regard will be appreciated. Thanks. Regards, Nadeem ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Everything in one place. All new Windows Live! Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfienoakes69 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Feb 7 16:07:37 2008 From: alfienoakes69 at yahoo.co.uk (Alfie Noakes) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 15:07:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] The Classic transport. In-Reply-To: <008301c8698f$7c3c5e30$7001a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> Message-ID: Hi to all and thanks for the replies received to my question regarding the sticking head carriers on my two 480’s. Since joining this forum I have become aware through various posts that there is more than one type of transport used. It seems that there is a classic transport and at least one other (would this be the Sankyo). I am curious to know more about this and particularly what is considered to be the best and worst and the models they are fitted to. The reason for my curiosity is eventually I would like to replace my two 480’s with a three head deck, preferably with easy azimuth adjustment as I wish to transcribe some old tapes recorded on several different machines. If there is a resource to point me to or if someone was prepared to spell it out it would be greatly appreciated. Regards Robbie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Feb 7 14:12:59 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 13:12:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Message-ID: <020720081312.5173.47AB03DB0006F3CD0000143522165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Tom: I should point out that I never actually engaged PLAY when I was using my Nakamichi Tape Traveling cassette to align the pinch roller guide height. I simply mounted the shafts roughly where I thought they might have been when the factory aligned them. Then, with the head block swung out of the way for clarity, I rotated the control mechanism by hand whilst watching where the pinch roller tape guides lined up. These tape guides have a fairly narrow margin for error, so it was easy to see which roller was off and by how much. I then adjusted guide height until the pinch roller tape guides were perfectly aligned. The deck performs flawlessly. *andy* From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Feb 7 14:52:07 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 05:52:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! In-Reply-To: <6640511.1202309175930.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <395675.17903.qm@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Tom when you say remove the guide ? It does not get screwed in but seems shrink fit? since the pivot is frozen , entire assembly needs to be removed? can you explain how do you remove where the grease is completely frozen? kannan Tom Brucker wrote: body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;} I agree with Willy. Willy, I remove the brass collar and then remove the guide. On totally frozen units I remove the stainless pin. Have you noticed the slots at the bottom of the pin? Obviously there was a tool made that fit into the slot allowing a precise height adjustment of the guide. Have you ever seen that tool? It would be extremely useful if a NakTalker with machining knowledge would build a tool for us in the service end. Jeff Galin, have you seen this tool? tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Willy Hermann Sent: Feb 5, 2008 6:09 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Nadeem – My guess is that the pinch rollers are not engaging, making the speed of the capstains irrelevant. The pinch rollers are on pivot arms which were factory lubed with a lubricant which hardens with time. It’s a very common fault with a machine which has been stored for some time. The pivot arms must be removed and all the old lubricant cleaned from the shafts and pivot arms, then relubed and reassembled. It’s a bit tedious. The main problem is, the tape guides live on those pivot arms, so when they are reassembled, they must be reset which requires the Nakamichi EH Stroke Check Guage M-9051. Willy --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Hi everyone, I just bought a Dragon from eBay which is optically like new. This Nak had been sitting in storage for the last 10 years. Everything on this deck works except it plays at almost 10 times faster speed than normal. I tested the speed by playing the whole 30 minute side of a 60 minute cassette which it played in roughly 3 minutes. Even at this high speed , NAAC works fine. I have checked the voltage for the reel motor on the logic pcb as well as the reel motor itself and it is correctly set at -4V DC as suggested by the service manual. Since I did not find any tape speed adjustment method in the service manual so I assume only the reel motor speed can be adjusted. I seems to me that the capstan shafts are also rotating at a higher speed, but there is no way for me to test that so I could be wrong. I know that this deck has dual direct drive motors but is there a way to adjust the tape speed as on other models or could it be something else which is causing this deck to behave in such a way? If anyone has experienced anything like this or know of any remedy, kindly let me know. Any feedback in this regard will be appreciated. Thanks. Regards, Nadeem --------------------------------- Everything in one place. All new Windows Live! Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Thu Feb 7 10:33:21 2008 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:33:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] PARTS NEEDED - A SPECIAL CASE....PLEASE READ(LONG)...... In-Reply-To: References: <24424757.1202224054874.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47AAD061.4060008@otenet.gr> Mike, What Tom mentioned is true as far as Greece concerns, but it is not a rule you can definitely depend upon....One more thing that really counts (info straight from Greek Post Office guys) is to never use a company's name when you ship something to an individual....When you ship from individual to another individual then customs do not (usually) charge taxes unless the item is extremely expensive (declared value) or when the item is brand new..... Also one more thing you can't avoid is when the buyer wants his item to be insured up to the value he has paid for...Then you have (he has) a problem with customs since the declared value should be same with insured value of the item.....There is nothing you can do there, but if an item gets lost then you lose your money too..... It can get really tricky sometimes! Manos orders at pennysconstruction wrote: > Tom > I think that's a great idea. > It could help so of the rest of us, me for example, we sell other > stuff on Ebay too. > Thanks Mike > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Brucker" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:07 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] PARTS NEEDED - A SPECIAL CASE....PLEASE > READ(LONG)...... > > >> The US customs form has a check box for "returned goods". Always >> check this as it make the used item a repair rather than an import. >> It would be neat to collect the various tricks for avoiding customs >> duties by country. For example, Manos advised me that an item over >> $80 US has different customs treatment in Greece than less valuable >> items. >> >> tom brucker >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >>> Sent: Feb 4, 2008 4:22 PM >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: [naktalk] PARTS NEEDED - A SPECIAL CASE....PLEASE READ >>> (LONG)...... >>> >>> >>> OK, once again I have a request for parts, but this time, there is a >>> story behind it. >>> >>> About three months ago, I sold a beautiful RX-202 on eBay. This >>> particular deck had switchable voltage for worldwide use. This deck >>> was MINT, with the original box and all original paperwork. >>> >>> A very nice gentleman from England was the winning bidder. He paid >>> me promptly, and I sent him the deck. Everything went well until >>> the deck entered England, where a COMPLETE AND TOTAL IDIOT in >>> customs immediately SEIZED the deck because the IDIOT assumed that >>> my buyer was importing the deck for re-sale! They slapped a duty of >>> 82 pounds on it (about $165 U.S. dollars) and held it in customs. >>> >>> As if that weren't bad enough, THE IDIOT NEVER NOTIFIED MY BUYER >>> THAT HIS PARCEL HAD BEEN SEIZED. My buyer never received ANY kind >>> of notification whatsoever. >>> >>> Meanwhile, my buyer is asking me where his RX-202 was, and I am >>> assuring him that I did indeed send it. My buyer never accused me >>> of ripping him off; in fact, this man was very polite and patient >>> with me at all times. >>> >>> I sent my buyer a copy of the customs form, which enabled him to >>> eventually track his parcel's progress to the main customs house >>> down in Coventry, England. >>> >>> But by that time, it was too late. Because no one had ever claimed >>> it, my buyer's parcel was marked to be returned to me. This was >>> over a month ago. >>> >>> Naturally, the deck never made it back to me. It has basically >>> fallen off the face of the earth. I spoke with the U.S. postal >>> authorities, and they have officially declared that the parcel is >>> "irretrievably lost". They are sending me the insurance claim forms >>> in a week or so. As far as the USPS is concerned, the matter is >>> over and done with, and all I can do at this point is file the >>> insurance paperwork and hope that my buyer can get back at least >>> SOME of the 300 dollars that I insured the deck for. >>> >>> I know I should just file the insurance paperwork for my buyer and >>> be done with it. But I really feel TERRIBLE about this whole >>> situation. It happens that my buyer's wife is an invalid who is >>> terminally ill. One of the few joys in her life is her fairly nice >>> stereo system. My buyer was going to use the RX-202 to play books >>> on tape that he gets for her from his local library. >>> >>> Before I go any further, I want to point out that I BELIEVE MY BUYER >>> when he says 1) the deck never arrived, and 2) that he needed it for >>> his sick wife. I have spoken to this very nice gentleman at length, >>> and he has given me NO reason to doubt his story. He has an RX-505, >>> but it is broken and they don't have the money to repair it. >>> >>> I told my buyer that if I should ever get another Nak that could run >>> on UK voltage, he could have it for my cost. >>> >>> Well, it just so happens that I *have* acquired another RX-202 that >>> can run on UK voltage. It needs a bit of work, but I can make it >>> run; in fact, I have already gotten it running again. When I get >>> this RX-202 back into shape and fully calibrated, I am going to >>> FEDEX it to my buyer so his wife can enjoy it. >>> >>> The problem is that this RX-202's face got smashed in the mail >>> coming to me. >>> >>> I need the following two parts: >>> >>> I need the black plastic semicircular tray part that sits at the >>> very front of the cassette drawer. This part holds the clear >>> plastic cassette window housing. >>> >>> I also need the clear plastic cassette housing. This is the "bay >>> window" that you can see the cassette area through. >>> >>> I think I have gathered all of the other parts I need. >>> >>> Does anyone have a hopeless RX-202 that happens to have these two >>> cosmetic parts? >>> >>> If you have either one or both of these parts, just name your >>> price. I WANT TO HELP THESE PEOPLE. It's the least I can do for >>> them after this whole fiasco. >>> >>> *andy* >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> >> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From koman56 at otenet.gr Thu Feb 7 10:49:02 2008 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:49:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! In-Reply-To: <47a9e8c8.0b0c360a.413c.ffffefa1@mx.google.com> References: <47a9e8c8.0b0c360a.413c.ffffefa1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <47AAD40E.5010500@otenet.gr> "_I don't charge as much as B&W UK, but getting the deck here would eat up the difference. " _Willy You will be surprised to find that shipping quotes from anywhere EU to B&W UK (back and forth) are much higher than shipping overseas with regular mail (like USPS priority) That is because B&W ships only DHL (insured) which costs twice as much with regular mail... Last year I was ready to send my first 505 to them and decided not to, when i discovered that shipping back and forth the way B&W suggested would cost me as much as 500USD!!! (At the same time shipping to the US (ie HiTech Nashville TN) would cost about half!!!! Of course they do a good job but they charge higher than what individual techies do in the US..... You could say that service quotes are similar to ESL but they do not make an overall, only what the deck needs...... I have no personal experience but i have friends who have used their services in the past. Manos Willy Hermann wrote: > Nadeem - > > > > I have never found a way to adequately free those shafts short of > removal of the rockers. You'll see when you get it apart how solid > the lubricant becomes. In fact, I have had an occasional problem in > pulling the shafts out of the casting rather than the rocker off the > shaft. See if you can figure out some way to accurately measure the > height of those guides - maybe even marking each ones height off the > plinth on a probe - to get them back in the same place. Resetting > with the traveling tape as Andy suggested I've not had any luck with. > Careful measurement should do the trick, though you may need to tweak > the play and record head azimuths afterwards. I don't charge as much > as B&W UK, but getting the deck here would eat up the difference. > > > > Best of luck. > > > > Willy > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Mercedes Benz > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:17 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! > > > > Willy, > > Thanks for your feedback, your guess was spot on. > > Both the pinch rollers do not engage the capstan shaft. The right > roller moves up half the way and the left one only moves slightly. > > The method you suggested to fix this problem is the perfect solution > but the problem is that I am currently on a tight budget > after spending all my extra cash on this deck and cannot afford to > have it serviced by B&W UK as they are quite expensive. And I do not > have the Stroke Check Guage to be able to do it myself. > > Is there any other way without having to disassemble the roller > assembly? Any solvent or de-greaser anything which can be used to > clean the old waxed grease without taking apart the roller arms? > > Best regards, > Nadeem > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: willyherm at gmail.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:09:40 -0800 > > Nadeem - > > > > My guess is that the pinch rollers are not engaging, making the speed > of the capstains irrelevant. The pinch rollers are on pivot arms > which were factory lubed with a lubricant which hardens with time. > It's a very common fault with a machine which has been stored for some > time. The pivot arms must be removed and all the old lubricant > cleaned from the shafts and pivot arms, then relubed and reassembled. > It's a bit tedious. The main problem is, the tape guides live on > those pivot arms, so when they are reassembled, they must be reset > which requires the Nakamichi EH Stroke Check Guage M-9051. > > > > Willy > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Mercedes Benz > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:06 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! > > > > Hi everyone, > > I just bought a Dragon from eBay which is optically like new. > > This Nak had been sitting in storage for the last 10 years. Everything > on this deck works except it plays at almost 10 times faster speed > than normal. I tested the speed by playing the whole 30 minute side of > a 60 minute cassette which it played in roughly 3 minutes. Even at > this high speed , NAAC works fine. > > I have checked the voltage for the reel motor on the logic pcb as well > as the reel motor itself and it is correctly set at -4V DC as > suggested by the service manual. Since I did not find any tape speed > adjustment method in the service manual so I assume only the reel > motor speed can be adjusted. > > I seems to me that the capstan shafts are also rotating at a higher > speed, but there is no way for me to test that so I could be wrong. I > know that this deck has dual direct drive motors but is there a way to > adjust the tape speed as on other models or could it be something else > which is causing this deck to behave in such a way? > > If anyone has experienced anything like this or know of any > remedy, kindly let me know. Any feedback in this regard will be > appreciated. Thanks. > > Regards, > Nadeem > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Everything in one place. All new Windows Live! > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Think you know your TV, music and film? Try Search Charades! > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Feb 7 20:04:53 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:04:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! In-Reply-To: <020720081312.5173.47AB03DB0006F3CD0000143522165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <921887.62884.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is exactly the technique I use - but using regular TDK D normal cassette - break all the front to make the tape visible from outside.Little tricky but you would waste about couple of Dollars worth of tapes. Since it is not teh guide height I am worried about but head height which invariably shifts in micron sizes. So without track alignment tape, you cannot get the entire alignment and calibration to correct level. I do not suggest this procedure to persons without gauages and tapes. Sometimes it is worth paying 200$ for service as everything including all alignments gets carried out using correct tools . kannan hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Tom: I should point out that I never actually engaged PLAY when I was using my Nakamichi Tape Traveling cassette to align the pinch roller guide height. I simply mounted the shafts roughly where I thought they might have been when the factory aligned them. Then, with the head block swung out of the way for clarity, I rotated the control mechanism by hand whilst watching where the pinch roller tape guides lined up. These tape guides have a fairly narrow margin for error, so it was easy to see which roller was off and by how much. I then adjusted guide height until the pinch roller tape guides were perfectly aligned. The deck performs flawlessly. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Feb 7 20:05:54 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:05:54 EST Subject: [naktalk] The Classic transport. Message-ID: In a message dated 2/7/2008 10:33:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, alfienoakes69 at yahoo.co.uk writes: Since joining this forum I have become aware through various posts that there is more than one type of transport used. It seems that there is a classic transport and at least one other (would this be the Sankyo). I am curious to know more about this and particularly what is considered to be the best and worst and the models they are fitted to. The reason for my curiosity is eventually I would like to replace my two 480’ s with a three head deck, preferably with easy azimuth adjustment as I wish to transcribe some old tapes recorded on several different machines. There's a few different transports. Early Naks like the 600 and 550 had yet another one, not classic, not Sankyo. The classic (or standard) Nak transport is a 2-capstan 3 motor mechanism used in the 480 series, 580 series, 680 series, ZX-7, 700 ZXL & ZXE, and 1000ZXL. Maybe I left some other model out but I don't think so. Many of the transport parts, like the motors, are interchangeable between those decks. They have all the advantages of the 2 capstan drive - low W & F, etc. The ZX-9 and Dragon have their own versions of this transport with direct drive motors (2 in the Dragon.) The ZX-9 was the last deck Nak made with recording azimuth adjustment, after that they went to playback azimuth adjustment. In this group, only the Dragon has adjustable playback azimuth - if that's what you're looking for. The "Sankyo transport" however refers to at least 3 different systems, and a variation on one of them. 1. Single capstan 2 head decks (all the BX's except BX-300, MR-2, CR-1-2, Cassette Deck 2) 2. Two capstan 3 head direct drive (BX-300, MR-1, CR 4-5-7) 3. Two capstan 3 head belt drive (CR-3, Cassette Deck 1 & 1.5, DR 1-2-10) The DR's including the DR-3 & 8 use a slightly different mechanism - for one thing, the cam motor is different. Nak had a lot of problems with the early cam motor - maybe (or not) this one in the DR's is better. The Cassette Deck 1&1.5 and the DR's use a different drive motor than the CR-3, one made by AK which is still available. I've always been curious if that motor would fit in a CR-3. I think so. The direct drive Sankyo machines are very superior decks - only the ZX-9 and Dragon have better specs (sorry Tandberg and Revox). However, of these only the CR-7 has adjustable playback azimuth for your project, and they're as expensive as a Dragon nowadays on eBay. In the more down to earth "i-can-actually-afford-it" category, the Cassette Deck 1 and DR-1 both have user adjustable playback azimuth. Their 2 capstan belt drive has about the same wow & flutter specs as the classic transport decks, and they seem pretty reliable - judging by the number of posts on Naktalk, not a lot of them have gone bad yet. Compare that to the endless "my supply side pinch roller froze up" posts on the classic transport decks - of course maybe just because they're older, or maybe the Sankyo mechanism really doesn't have that problem to the same degree. I own a Cassette Deck 1 and I think it's great. I use it when playback azimuth is an issue. I've also got a Dragon which does it automatically, but getting a good Dragon is pricey. Hope this makes it clearer. Jeff W **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 01:39:11 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:39:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! In-Reply-To: <47AAD40E.5010500@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <47aba4b7.0b0c360a.413c.fffffcfd@mx.google.com> Manos - If that's the case, I should volunteer to take on EU countries Nak service! My friends at B&W might not be too thrilled! Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Emmanuel Komninos Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:49 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! "I don't charge as much as B&W UK, but getting the deck here would eat up the difference. " Willy You will be surprised to find that shipping quotes from anywhere EU to B&W UK (back and forth) are much higher than shipping overseas with regular mail (like USPS priority) That is because B&W ships only DHL (insured) which costs twice as much with regular mail... Last year I was ready to send my first 505 to them and decided not to, when i discovered that shipping back and forth the way B&W suggested would cost me as much as 500USD!!! (At the same time shipping to the US (ie HiTech Nashville TN) would cost about half!!!! Of course they do a good job but they charge higher than what individual techies do in the US..... You could say that service quotes are similar to ESL but they do not make an overall, only what the deck needs...... I have no personal experience but i have friends who have used their services in the past. Manos Willy Hermann wrote: Nadeem - I have never found a way to adequately free those shafts short of removal of the rockers. You'll see when you get it apart how solid the lubricant becomes. In fact, I have had an occasional problem in pulling the shafts out of the casting rather than the rocker off the shaft. See if you can figure out some way to accurately measure the height of those guides - maybe even marking each ones height off the plinth on a probe - to get them back in the same place. Resetting with the traveling tape as Andy suggested I've not had any luck with. Careful measurement should do the trick, though you may need to tweak the play and record head azimuths afterwards. I don't charge as much as B&W UK, but getting the deck here would eat up the difference. Best of luck. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:17 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Willy, Thanks for your feedback, your guess was spot on. Both the pinch rollers do not engage the capstan shaft. The right roller moves up half the way and the left one only moves slightly. The method you suggested to fix this problem is the perfect solution but the problem is that I am currently on a tight budget after spending all my extra cash on this deck and cannot afford to have it serviced by B&W UK as they are quite expensive. And I do not have the Stroke Check Guage to be able to do it myself. Is there any other way without having to disassemble the roller assembly? Any solvent or de-greaser anything which can be used to clean the old waxed grease without taking apart the roller arms? Best regards, Nadeem _____ From: willyherm at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:09:40 -0800 Nadeem - My guess is that the pinch rollers are not engaging, making the speed of the capstains irrelevant. The pinch rollers are on pivot arms which were factory lubed with a lubricant which hardens with time. It's a very common fault with a machine which has been stored for some time. The pivot arms must be removed and all the old lubricant cleaned from the shafts and pivot arms, then relubed and reassembled. It's a bit tedious. The main problem is, the tape guides live on those pivot arms, so when they are reassembled, they must be reset which requires the Nakamichi EH Stroke Check Guage M-9051. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 1:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Hi everyone, I just bought a Dragon from eBay which is optically like new. This Nak had been sitting in storage for the last 10 years. Everything on this deck works except it plays at almost 10 times faster speed than normal. I tested the speed by playing the whole 30 minute side of a 60 minute cassette which it played in roughly 3 minutes. Even at this high speed , NAAC works fine. I have checked the voltage for the reel motor on the logic pcb as well as the reel motor itself and it is correctly set at -4V DC as suggested by the service manual. Since I did not find any tape speed adjustment method in the service manual so I assume only the reel motor speed can be adjusted. I seems to me that the capstan shafts are also rotating at a higher speed, but there is no way for me to test that so I could be wrong. I know that this deck has dual direct drive motors but is there a way to adjust the tape speed as on other models or could it be something else which is causing this deck to behave in such a way? If anyone has experienced anything like this or know of any remedy, kindly let me know. Any feedback in this regard will be appreciated. Thanks. Regards, Nadeem _____ Everything in one place. All new Windows Live! _____ Think you know your TV, music and film? Try Search Charades! _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ampex500 at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 01:35:27 2008 From: ampex500 at gmail.com (bob forrest) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 19:35:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4d7a408f0802071635r101d7696y8d90807de5b26ce6@mail.gmail.com> Hi Nadeem. I had a similar problem on my nak 480. In the case of the 480 it was frozen capstan pinch rollers. The rubber rollers turn fine, but they don't engage the capstans. This is due to the grease nak used hardening over time. A fellow nak enthusiast provided me this repair information; The repair is to dissolve the hardened grease on the capstan roller frames so that the capstan roller springs can engage the capstan rollers to the capstan when the tape head is on contact with the tape. On the 480 ( and hopefully the dragon) there is a horizontal shuttle bar that holds the pinch rollers ( against spring pressure) away from the capstans when the transport is in all modes but play / record. In play / record the shuttle releases capstan rollers so that their springs can rotate them into the capstains. The fellow nak enthusiast suggested alcohol dripped on the roller pivot points using an eye dropper. Hope this helps; Best regards Bob F On Feb 5, 2008 4:06 PM, Mercedes Benz wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I just bought a Dragon from eBay which is optically like new. > > This Nak had been sitting in storage for the last 10 years. Everything on > this deck works except it plays at almost 10 times faster speed than normal. > I tested the speed by playing the whole 30 minute side of a 60 minute > cassette which it played in roughly 3 minutes. Even at this high speed , > NAAC works fine. > > I have checked the voltage for the reel motor on the logic pcb as well as > the reel motor itself and it is correctly set at -4V DC as suggested by the > service manual. Since I did not find any tape speed adjustment method in the > service manual so I assume only the reel motor speed can be adjusted. > > I seems to me that the capstan shafts are also rotating at a higher speed, > but there is no way for me to test that so I could be wrong. I know that > this deck has dual direct drive motors but is there a way to adjust the tape > speed as on other models or could it be something else which is causing this > deck to behave in such a way? > > If anyone has experienced anything like this or know of any remedy, kindly > let me know. Any feedback in this regard will be appreciated. Thanks. > > Regards, > Nadeem > > > > > ------------------------------ > Everything in one place. All new Windows Live! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Its very kind of you but unfortunately the door does not > fit! > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* bob forrest > *To:* drewes ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 05, 2008 5:22 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] CR7 or CR7A > > Hi Walter. > > I have a door from a black 480 that you are welcome to if it will fit. > Best regards > Bob F > > > On 2/4/08, drewes wrote: > > > > If anybody knows where I can get one or two Cassette Well Doors for the > > above please contact me for price etc > > As a CR5, CR5A has the same dimentions that would do as well! Do not > > worry about the condition! > > I have been posting this for a number of years at least once a year and > > there do not seem to be any CR7s arround that are being slaughtered for > > parts > > The door that is amongst the parts auction on eBay at the moment is not > > a CR7---I checked! > > Tks > > Walter > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They do not need the rubber sleeves. Best to phone your local BatteriePlus to see if it is in stock before driving over. Radio Shack only will sell them online, but you can go to a store and place the order. I can't tell you the hours that you will get out of these because I generally just get new ones long before the useful life is over. Live concert recording is a one shot gig and I was taught in production classes 25 years ago, always start with fresh batteries when you only have one shot to record. The Mallory TR-126 is also a fit, but I have not seen those in a long time. Happy Recording. If you ever want to sell the cm-1000s drop me a line. Jeff Heymann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Feb 8 16:41:16 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:41:16 EST Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Message-ID: In a message dated 2/8/2008 12:02:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ampex500 at gmail.com writes: The repair is to dissolve the hardened grease on the capstan roller frames so that the capstan roller springs can engage the capstan rollers to the capstan when the tape head is on contact with the tape. On the 480 ( and hopefully the dragon) there is a horizontal shuttle bar that holds the pinch rollers ( against spring pressure) away from the capstans when the transport is in all modes but play / record. In play / record the shuttle releases capstan rollers so that their springs can rotate them into the capstains. The fellow nak enthusiast suggested alcohol dripped on the roller pivot points using an eye dropper. Hi Bob, Unfortunately, this doesn't work on the Dragon. Jeff W **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 8 13:39:18 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 06:39:18 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! Message-ID: <30670507.1202474358709.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Control mechanism??? The brass piece? There is no height control that I am aware of on the pinch arm. Have I missed something? I like the idea of getting the height close by "eyeball". Once this is done put the unit in play, otherwise you are aligning the guide to the height of the cassette guides. The whole dual capstan guide/pad lifter concept is to "remove" the effect of the cassette itself from the tape travel. Decks without pad lifters skew significantly. Guide height problems will skew tape, so the final adjustment must be done fully engaged in play. A good check of guide height is the azimuth calibration. If after repairing sticking pinch arms the azimuth is within 1/8 turn of correct, then the guides are aligned. Never adjust height after a guide repair. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Feb 7, 2008 7:12 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! > > >Tom: > >I should point out that I never actually engaged PLAY when I was using my Nakamichi Tape Traveling cassette to align the pinch roller guide height. > >I simply mounted the shafts roughly where I thought they might have been when the factory aligned them. > >Then, with the head block swung out of the way for clarity, I rotated the control mechanism by hand whilst watching where the pinch roller tape guides lined up. These tape guides have a fairly narrow margin for error, so it was easy to see which roller was off and by how much. > >I then adjusted guide height until the pinch roller tape guides were perfectly aligned. The deck performs flawlessly. > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Fri Feb 8 12:17:32 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:17:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! In-Reply-To: <4d7a408f0802071635r101d7696y8d90807de5b26ce6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d7a408f0802071635r101d7696y8d90807de5b26ce6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, Thanks for the advice. I have also been fortunate to have the same advice from a very kind fellow Nak enthusiast and currently I am in the process of performing this procedure on my Dragon. Hopefully everything works out and I won't have to send the deck to B&W (which I had decided before I got this advice). Did you manage to fix your deck and how much time did it take you to do it? Best regards, Nadeem Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 19:35:27 -0500From: ampex500 at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help!Hi Nadeem. I had a similar problem on my nak 480. In the case of the 480 it was frozen capstan pinch rollers. The rubber rollers turn fine, but they don't engage the capstans. This is due to the grease nak used hardening over time. A fellow nak enthusiast provided me this repair information; The repair is to dissolve the hardened grease on the capstan roller frames so that the capstan roller springs can engage the capstan rollers to the capstan when the tape head is on contact with the tape. On the 480 ( and hopefully the dragon) there is a horizontal shuttle bar that holds the pinch rollers ( against spring pressure) away from the capstans when the transport is in all modes but play / record. In play / record the shuttle releases capstan rollers so that their springs can rotate them into the capstains. The fellow nak enthusiast suggested alcohol dripped on the roller pivot points using an eye dropper. Hope this helps; Best regardsBob F On Feb 5, 2008 4:06 PM, Mercedes Benz wrote: Hi everyone, I just bought a Dragon from eBay which is optically like new. This Nak had been sitting in storage for the last 10 years. Everything on this deck works except it plays at almost 10 times faster speed than normal. I tested the speed by playing the whole 30 minute side of a 60 minute cassette which it played in roughly 3 minutes. Even at this high speed , NAAC works fine. I have checked the voltage for the reel motor on the logic pcb as well as the reel motor itself and it is correctly set at -4V DC as suggested by the service manual. Since I did not find any tape speed adjustment method in the service manual so I assume only the reel motor speed can be adjusted. I seems to me that the capstan shafts are also rotating at a higher speed, but there is no way for me to test that so I could be wrong. I know that this deck has dual direct drive motors but is there a way to adjust the tape speed as on other models or could it be something else which is causing this deck to behave in such a way? If anyone has experienced anything like this or know of any remedy, kindly let me know. Any feedback in this regard will be appreciated. Thanks. Regards,Nadeem Everything in one place. All new Windows Live!========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N4229K at aol.com Fri Feb 8 12:02:12 2008 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 06:02:12 EST Subject: [naktalk] TDK TAPE Rare? Message-ID: Hi All: Does anyone know or have an opinion on which tape is the better/rarer - a TDK MA-R 90 or a TDK MA-XG 90. I want to sell of my stock and these are part of it and the most expensive. I have about 300 sealed cassettes of all kinds from the 80s through today from all makers. The MA-XG I have 2 boxes of 5 all sealed and just like new. I believe these are quite rare as a friend that worked here on Long Island for TDK Gave them to me in the early 80s (I believe). I can list all brands and types if anyone is interested most ly TDK, Maxell, Fugi, Denon, Sony, & Memorex. Regards, Dean E Sanborn 3106 Riverside Drive Wantagh NY 11793 **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 21:57:34 2008 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:57:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TDK TAPE Rare? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6bddc1110802081257k652dd6f7yedd1abdf72175ec9@mail.gmail.com> I'd go for the MA-XG in any denomination -Tim On Feb 8, 2008 5:02 AM, wrote: > Hi All: > > Does anyone know or have an opinion on which tape is the better/rarer - a > TDK MA-R 90 or a TDK MA-XG 90. I want to sell of my stock and these are > part of it and the most expensive. I have about 300 sealed cassettes of all > kinds from the 80s through today from all makers. The MA-XG I have 2 boxes > of 5 all sealed and just like new. I believe these are quite rare as a > friend that worked here on Long Island for TDK Gave them to me in the early > 80s (I believe). > > I can list all brands and types if anyone is interested most ly TDK, > Maxell, Fugi, Denon, Sony, & Memorex. > > Regards, > > Dean E Sanborn > 3106 Riverside Drive > Wantagh NY 11793 > > > > ------------------------------ > Who's never won? 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(80stech) ----- Original Message ----- From: N4229K at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:02 AM Subject: [naktalk] TDK TAPE Rare? Hi All: Does anyone know or have an opinion on which tape is the better/rarer - a TDK MA-R 90 or a TDK MA-XG 90. I want to sell of my stock and these are part of it and the most expensive. I have about 300 sealed cassettes of all kinds from the 80s through today from all makers. The MA-XG I have 2 boxes of 5 all sealed and just like new. I believe these are quite rare as a friend that worked here on Long Island for TDK Gave them to me in the early 80s (I believe). I can list all brands and types if anyone is interested most ly TDK, Maxell, Fugi, Denon, Sony, & Memorex. Regards, Dean E Sanborn 3106 Riverside Drive Wantagh NY 11793 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Feb 9 02:37:56 2008 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 02:37:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TDK TAPE Rare? In-Reply-To: <20080208200646.DSNC10334.fep25.mail.dk@smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl> References: <20080208200646.DSNC10334.fep25.mail.dk@smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 06:02:12 EST, N4229K at aol.com wrote: >Hi All: > >Does anyone know or have an opinion on which tape is the better/rarer - a >TDK MA-R 90 or a TDK MA-XG 90. I want to sell of my stock and these are part >of it and the most expensive. I have about 300 sealed cassettes of all kinds >from the 80s through today from all makers. The MA-XG I have 2 boxes of 5 >all sealed and just like new. I believe these are quite rare as a friend that >worked here on Long Island for TDK Gave them to me in the early 80s (I >believe). > >I can list all brands and types if anyone is interested most ly TDK, Maxell, >Fugi, Denon, Sony, & Memorex. Your tapes are absolutely worthless, and you should send them all to me ;) I would grade the MA-R as more desireable than the MA-XG, and in my opinion the age of the tapes sets the level of desirability but I would not invest in old tape for recording, only to have and look at. Old tapes are simply too expensive to buy like this. Tapes that are not shrinkwrapped are less costly and a box full of those are cheap, but not as reliable as buying them new today. -Mikkel From ampex500 at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 05:07:35 2008 From: ampex500 at gmail.com (bob forrest) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 23:07:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon playing fast, need help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4d7a408f0802082007s3d65f8fy4c277fd5db3a7d0e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jeff. Sorry to hear that this did not work. Not being familiar with the dragon, I am not sure if the problem is frozen capstan rollers. If so, maybe a stronger solvent like acetone or MEK would do the job. I have re edged a lot of speakers and acetone will remove old hardened speaker surrounds like there is no tomorrow where alcohol wont even touch em.! Good luck with the repair. Best regards Bob F On Feb 8, 2008 10:41 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 2/8/2008 12:02:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > ampex500 at gmail.com writes: > > The repair is to dissolve the hardened grease on the capstan roller frames > so that the capstan roller springs can engage the capstan rollers to the > capstan when the tape head is on contact with the tape. > > On the 480 ( and hopefully the dragon) there is a horizontal shuttle bar > that holds the pinch rollers ( against spring pressure) away from the > capstans when the transport is in all modes but play / record. > > In play / record the shuttle releases capstan rollers so that their > springs can rotate them into the capstains. > > The fellow nak enthusiast suggested alcohol dripped on the roller pivot > points using an eye dropper. > > > > Hi Bob, > > Unfortunately, this doesn't work on the Dragon. > > Jeff W > > > > ------------------------------ > Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sat Feb 9 06:03:22 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:33:22 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] DR2 service manual .. anybody ? References: <200802081101.m18B0gja025931@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <028e01c86ad9$1a55d7a0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi all Does anybody have the DR1 or DR2 service manual ? TIA Soumi From koman56 at otenet.gr Sun Feb 10 00:23:47 2008 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:23:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DR2 service manual .. anybody ? In-Reply-To: <028e01c86ad9$1a55d7a0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <200802081101.m18B0gja025931@zxe.naks.com> <028e01c86ad9$1a55d7a0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <47AE3603.5050601@otenet.gr> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi all > Does anybody have the DR1 or DR2 service manual ? > TIA > Soumi > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Soumi I do have the DR-1 SM but it is a hard copy......It will take some time before i can have it scanned and forwarded to you, unless you are not in a hurry...let me know! Manos From N4229K at aol.com Sun Feb 10 11:13:45 2008 From: N4229K at aol.com (N4229K at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 05:13:45 EST Subject: [naktalk] First Tape List Message-ID: There have been many inquiries on my tapes so I have made a list of tapes not packed away and available now. Tis is the list of remaining (unsold) Tapes). Square Case Quanity Sony UX II 100 3 Sony CDit IV 100 2 Sony High Bias CDit 94 2 UX Pro II 90 1 UX-90 * 1 Memorex DBS 90 10 pack 1 Memorx High Bias 90 * 1 Denon HD7 90 2 Denon Bias High DX8 90 * 1 Fuji FX II 90 * 1 Fuji DR II extra slim 100 2 Fuji for CD DR II 90 2 TDK: MA-R 90 * 2 MA-X 90 * 1 MA110 4 SA-X 90 * 5 SA 60 *(1) 2 SA-90 9 SA-100 1 SA-X 90 * 4 SA-X 50 10 Pack * 1 AR-90 5 Pack * 2 SD-50 5 SD 90 5 pack * 1 AR-X 90 * 5 SA-90 2Pack 1 DS-X 60 10 Pack 1 Maxell: XL II 90 1 XL II-S 90 3 XL II 110 10 Pack 4MA-XG 5inBox 2 Dean E Sanborn 3106 Riverside Drive Wantagh NY 11793 **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kulak at ozemail.com.au Sun Feb 10 22:21:55 2008 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:21:55 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] TDK TAPE Rare? References: Message-ID: <010a01c86c2a$f6ce2370$6e00000a@corp.halex.com.au> Dean, Would be pleased to see a list nd make an offer on some of the tapes. Good quality tapes are becoming scarcer, should be put on the endangered species list. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: N4229K at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] TDK TAPE Rare? Hi All: Does anyone know or have an opinion on which tape is the better/rarer - a TDK MA-R 90 or a TDK MA-XG 90. I want to sell of my stock and these are part of it and the most expensive. I have about 300 sealed cassettes of all kinds from the 80s through today from all makers. The MA-XG I have 2 boxes of 5 all sealed and just like new. I believe these are quite rare as a friend that worked here on Long Island for TDK Gave them to me in the early 80s (I believe). I can list all brands and types if anyone is interested most ly TDK, Maxell, Fugi, Denon, Sony, & Memorex. Regards, Dean E Sanborn 3106 Riverside Drive Wantagh NY 11793 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Mon Feb 11 16:13:45 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:13:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Need CR4 Service Manual Message-ID: Hi everyone, I need the Service Manual for CR-4 or CR-4A or CR-4E or CR-40. A fellow Nak enthusiast was kind enough to mail me the schematics but I need the rest of the manual as well. If anyone has got it and willing to email a copy to me OR if someone is willing to sell it then I am willing to pay for it, please contact me at: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Regards, Nadeem _________________________________________________________________ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spinlps at pacbell.net Mon Feb 11 17:25:50 2008 From: spinlps at pacbell.net (Chris Kipp) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:25:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Can anyone share a TD-1200 Mk2 service manual? Please! Message-ID: My beloved TD-1200Mk2 was in storage for the last 4 years and now it won't turn on. I have the code and waited the required time to enter it, and tried several time to no avail. Any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks From JeffSmyser at aol.com Mon Feb 11 18:53:48 2008 From: JeffSmyser at aol.com (JeffSmyser at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:53:48 EST Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a DR-1 Owner's Manual Message-ID: Hello, I recently bought a DR-1 without a manual. Does anyone have a manual -- original, copy or scanned version -- they would like to make available? Thanks, Jeff **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mpl123 at xs4all.nl Mon Feb 11 19:24:31 2008 From: mpl123 at xs4all.nl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Deurloo?=) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:24:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Need advice on a BX-125E problem Message-ID: <47B092DF.6030501@xs4all.nl> Hi all, This weekend a friend gave me his, unfortunately broken, BX-125E. Symptoms: - No PLAY or REC, only a short click - No FF or REW - Heads do never move into position. When I press PLAY it sort of clicks once, capstan starts and stops rightaway. This BX-125E was fitted with the gears modification but the whole mechanism is extremely dirty. My guess..., one of the motors is shot. But which one? Are they easy to come by? Is it worth it to DIY repair this ancient masterpiece? Thanks in advance for any advice, André From ampex500 at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 02:10:17 2008 From: ampex500 at gmail.com (bob forrest) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:10:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Need advice on a BX-125E problem In-Reply-To: <47B092DF.6030501@xs4all.nl> References: <47B092DF.6030501@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4d7a408f0802111710s5cef9b1g79b384d42e3fe038@mail.gmail.com> Hi Andre; I had the same problem on a lx 3. In the case of the lx 3 it was a glazed belt on the control motor that lifts the head assembly into the cassette. With only partial lift of the head assy into the cassette the sensors werent met and the time outs for the capstan and reel motors were met. The cure (short term) was to clean the belt. I still need to replace the belt on my 3 but it still works fine. Hope this helps. Best regards Bob F On 2/11/08, André Deurloo wrote: > > Hi all, > > This weekend a friend gave me his, unfortunately broken, BX-125E. > > Symptoms: > - No PLAY or REC, only a short click > - No FF or REW > - Heads do never move into position. > > When I press PLAY it sort of clicks once, capstan starts and stops > rightaway. > This BX-125E was fitted with the gears modification but the whole > mechanism is extremely dirty. > > My guess..., one of the motors is shot. But which one? Are they easy to > come by? Is it worth it to DIY repair this ancient masterpiece? > > Thanks in advance for any advice, > > André > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Feb 11 23:59:42 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:59:42 EST Subject: [naktalk] Need advice on a BX-125E problem Message-ID: In a message dated 2/11/2008 1:16:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mpl123 at xs4all.nl writes: Hi all, This weekend a friend gave me his, unfortunately broken, BX-125E. Symptoms: - No PLAY or REC, only a short click - No FF or REW - Heads do never move into position. When I press PLAY it sort of clicks once, capstan starts and stops rightaway. This BX-125E was fitted with the gears modification but the whole mechanism is extremely dirty. My guess..., one of the motors is shot. But which one? Are they easy to come by? Is it worth it to DIY repair this ancient masterpiece? Thanks in advance for any advice, André Hi Andre, It might be the cam motor. You can start by trying DeOxIt in the slots. If you need to replace it, you can use a Mabuchi RF-370C-15370 from MCM part #28-1600 or a Johnson RF-370C from Jameco Robot Store Item # 174693. These 2 replacement motors have 17mm mounting hole spaces instead of 16mm, but a few minutes with a small rat tail file can take 0.5 mm off each hole and they will mount up OK. The Johnson has a slightly longer shaft, but the Mabuchi works OK. Of course, maybe it's not the motor. I had a CR-4 repaired by Willy Hermann a couple of weeks ago which had symptoms identical to a bad cam motor, but it turned out to have a blown chip from a short. Jeff W **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.bowley at mypostoffice.co.uk Tue Feb 12 00:11:07 2008 From: john.bowley at mypostoffice.co.uk (Dave Bowley) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:11:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Need advice on a BX-125E problem References: <47B092DF.6030501@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <0d3301c86d03$6266c190$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Have U checked that all of the belts are in place & reasonably 'taut'. ----- Original Message ----- From: "André Deurloo" To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] Need advice on a BX-125E problem Hi all, This weekend a friend gave me his, unfortunately broken, BX-125E. Symptoms: - No PLAY or REC, only a short click - No FF or REW - Heads do never move into position. When I press PLAY it sort of clicks once, capstan starts and stops rightaway. This BX-125E was fitted with the gears modification but the whole mechanism is extremely dirty. My guess..., one of the motors is shot. But which one? Are they easy to come by? Is it worth it to DIY repair this ancient masterpiece? Thanks in advance for any advice, André ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 10/02/2008 12:21 From soumitra at soumitrab.com Tue Feb 12 15:27:00 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:57:00 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] The modding bug References: <200802121101.m1CB0LuR006517@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001001c86d83$563eaab0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hey everybody Just thought of sharing my mod news. After changing op amps in my DR2, bypassing supply caps, i finished bypassing the electrolytics. After more than 20-25hrs the sound is just awesome .. slightly wider stage, punchier bass and sweet midrange. In fact it sounds much much fuller and brighter than the MR with the OP275 op amps. The strangest thing about modding the MR was the correct functioning of the Dolby circuits after the PS bypass caps were installed. This meant proper playback of all material recorded in the DR with dolby C. Previous to this, there was a level mismatch and even loss of high frequencies during playback with dolby C on. Well, my modding interest has gone on to the point where i have today modded my Creative Audigy 2 soundcard .. replacing the 4558s with LM4562 ics on board and the current crop of electrolytic capacitors with Nichicon electrolytics (still doing this as there are quite a large no. of caps and i havent sourced all of the replacements). So far, everything sounds just great. I will post pix later. Best Regards Soumi From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Feb 12 01:07:42 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:07:42 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Need advice on a BX-125E problem Message-ID: <13739533.1202774862162.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Andre, The cam motor is stuck. Remove the top bonnet and you will see a horizontally mounted small motor on the right. Reach down with your finger and move the worm gear a bit, then press play. The deck should jump into action. Often the motor brushes can be sprayed with DeOxit through slots in the motor's end. There are photo essays on a few of the Nak sites covering this repair. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: André Deurloo >Sent: Feb 11, 2008 12:24 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Need advice on a BX-125E problem > >Hi all, > >This weekend a friend gave me his, unfortunately broken, BX-125E. > >Symptoms: >- No PLAY or REC, only a short click >- No FF or REW >- Heads do never move into position. > >When I press PLAY it sort of clicks once, capstan starts and stops >rightaway. >This BX-125E was fitted with the gears modification but the whole >mechanism is extremely dirty. > >My guess..., one of the motors is shot. But which one? Are they easy to >come by? Is it worth it to DIY repair this ancient masterpiece? > >Thanks in advance for any advice, > >André > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From mpl123 at xs4all.nl Tue Feb 12 18:39:54 2008 From: mpl123 at xs4all.nl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Deurloo?=) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:39:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Need advice on a BX-125E problem In-Reply-To: <021220081318.7090.47B19C8F000B015500001BB222165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <021220081318.7090.47B19C8F000B015500001BB222165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47B1D9EA.6070106@xs4all.nl> Hi *andy*, Guess what..., you were right! That might not surprise you but I sure was amazed. My BX-125E is running now. Thank you so much for these simple but effective instructions. Nevertheless, I really think the motors and gears need a good cleaning. Everything is covered in dust and some sticky brown stuff. Might even be nicotine... So, if and when you find the time please instruct me how to clean these parts. I read something here one could call "the DeOxit-method". Is that the way to do this? So far, so good! Much obliged, André hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Hi, André: > > I think I can help you with your Nakamichi BX-125E. > > It sounds like the control motor is stuck on a dead spot, which is a common fault. > > Turn the BX-125E upside down and take off the bottom plate. > > Switch the deck on....BE CAREFUL NOT TO TOUCH ANY OF THE WIRING, especially the wiring near the power switch! > > Look at the photo attached to this e-mail. The photo shows the control motor and control gears. Take a pencil with an eraser tip and use it to nudge the large white round gear whilst you are pressing the PLAY button. > > Nudge the gear back and forth. It will be hard to move, but just keep nudging it, gently but firmly. > > The deck should suddenly "wake up" and go into PLAY mode. (Make sure the cassette door is closed!) > > When the deck enters PLAY mode, hit STOP and then hit PLAY again. Cycle through all of the tape functions (Play, Stop, FF, RW, Pause). > > Your deck should be OK. If it gets stuck again, the control motor must be cleaned, which is not very difficult. You can ask me how this is done, if you need to do it. > > Good Luck, and ENJOY your Nakamichi! > > > *andy* > From haraldbinder at hotmail.com Tue Feb 12 20:26:28 2008 From: haraldbinder at hotmail.com (harald binder) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:26:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a DR-1 Owner's Manual Message-ID: Hello Jeff, I had the same problem, and found a scanned copy of a DR-1 owner's manual here: http://www.hifiengine.com/manuals_type.php?man=Nakamichi&mod=DR-1 Hope this helps, Harald ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:53:48 EST From: JeffSmyser at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] Looking for a DR-1 Owner's Manual To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, I recently bought a DR-1 without a manual. Does anyone have a manual -- original, copy or scanned version -- they would like to make available? Thanks, Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emersn at sonic.net Tue Feb 12 22:24:43 2008 From: emersn at sonic.net (Stephen Emerson) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:24:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Need advice on a BX-125E problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Aha! That sounds a bit like the situation with my CR-1A, discussed a month or so ago. The $64 question is -- which chip was blown? Thanks, Steve On Feb 11, 2008, at 2:59 PM, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Andre, > > It might be the cam motor. You can start by trying DeOxIt in the > slots. > > If you need to replace it, you can use a Mabuchi RF-370C-15370 from > MCM part #28-1600 or a Johnson RF-370C from Jameco Robot Store Item > # 174693. These 2 replacement motors have 17mm mounting hole > spaces instead of 16mm, but a few minutes with a small rat tail > file can take 0.5 mm off each hole and they will mount up OK. The > Johnson has a slightly longer shaft, but the Mabuchi works OK. > > Of course, maybe it's not the motor. I had a CR-4 repaired by > Willy Hermann a couple of weeks ago which had symptoms identical to > a bad cam motor, but it turned out to have a blown chip from a short. From andrewspencer at eircom.net Wed Feb 13 13:17:59 2008 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:17:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR4E Owners Manual Message-ID: <018c01c86e3a$7956f680$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> Hi I have just acquired a CR4E to join my CR7A & CR2E and wonder if anyone knows where I can download an owners manual from? Regards. Andy Dublin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Feb 13 16:55:03 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:55:03 EST Subject: [naktalk] Need advice on a BX-125E problem Message-ID: In a message dated 2/13/2008 2:38:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, emersn at sonic.net writes: The $64 question is -- which chip was blown? According to the note Willy wrote me, C604 shorted taking out R692 and IC608. He found only one supplier for IC608 who wanted a minimum order of 25 pieces, so he wound up taking one off a CR-1 parts deck I had picked up off Craigslist for $25. Jeff W **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Feb 14 04:39:47 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:39:47 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Head Gauges on eBay Message-ID: OK guys, have a go at it - eBay item # 190198815993 **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Feb 13 14:27:54 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:27:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Control Motor Cleaning Message-ID: <021320081327.7916.47B2F05A00098BFB00001EEC22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hello again, Andr�: I put together a step-by-step procedure for cleaning your Nakamichi deck's control motor. My procedure shows a CR-7 being cleaned, but the same procedure applies to your deck as well. Luis Peromarta, one of the resident Nak experts here on Naktalk, is one of the people who have kindly posted my procedure on his excellent website. (By the way, since you live in Europe, if you should ever need further repairs on your BX-125E, you can send it to Luis. By all accounts, he seems to do excellent work, and is very knowledgeable.) To see my control motor cleaning tips, click the link below: http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_control_motor.html Good Luck, and if you have any further questions, just ask me! *andy* From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Wed Feb 13 19:55:36 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:55:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR4E Owners Manual In-Reply-To: <018c01c86e3a$7956f680$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> References: <018c01c86e3a$7956f680$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> Message-ID: Hi Andy, You can download it from the following link: http://www.hifiengine.com/manuals_type.php?man=Nakamichi&mod=CR-4 Regards, Nadeem From: andrewspencer at eircom.netTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:17:59 +0000Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR4E Owners Manual Hi I have just acquired a CR4E to join my CR7A & CR2E and wonder if anyone knows where I can download an owners manual from? Regards. 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Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Mercedes Benz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR4E Owners Manual Hi Andy, You can download it from the following link: http://www.hifiengine.com/manuals_type.php?man=Nakamichi&mod=CR-4 Regards, Nadeem ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andrewspencer at eircom.net To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:17:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR4E Owners Manual Hi I have just acquired a CR4E to join my CR7A & CR2E and wonder if anyone knows where I can download an owners manual from? Regards. Andy Dublin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sounds like? How many syllables? Guess and win prizes with Search Charades! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrewspencer at eircom.net Thu Feb 14 11:30:30 2008 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:30:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with CR7A Auto Calibration Message-ID: <004101c86ef4$9fc40b40$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> Hi Whilst moving my CR7A from my Hi-Fi rack I caught the Record Mute button on my shirt and the front of the button came off. I put some super glue on the button and replaced it. When I tried to auto calibrate a tape the deck fast forwarded as usual and goes into record mode but then stops leaving the green Azimuth, Level & Bias indicators flashing, have I done something wrong whilst replacing the rec mute button, or has a fault occurred? Any assistance would be apreciated. Regards. Andy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 14 15:24:54 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:24:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with CR7A Auto Calibration In-Reply-To: <004101c86ef4$9fc40b40$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> References: <004101c86ef4$9fc40b40$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> Message-ID: <47B44F36.9020209@rcn.com> Andy wrote: > Hi > > Whilst moving my CR7A from my Hi-Fi rack I caught the Record Mute button > on my shirt and the front of the button came off. > > I put some super glue on the button and replaced it. > > When I tried to auto calibrate a tape the deck fast forwarded as usual > and goes into record mode but then stops leaving the green Azimuth, > Level & Bias indicators flashing, have I done something wrong whilst > replacing the rec mute button, or has a fault occurred? > > Any assistance would be apreciated. > > Regards. > > Andy > Difficult to say what, exactly, happened. However, it's likely the Rec Mute function is used during the auto calibrate procedure. Since the fault is associated with damage to the Rec Mute button, I would open up the deck and take a look at the PCB behind the front panel, to see whether the switch is stuck. If so, it's possible some of the glue seeped into the switch, or the cap is now glued on crooked. The front panel is held with screws all round it. The button is glued to the rear of the front panel, not to the PCB behind it. Good luck, -- Ron From andrewspencer at eircom.net Thu Feb 14 16:16:35 2008 From: andrewspencer at eircom.net (Andy) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:16:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with CR7A Auto Calibration References: <004101c86ef4$9fc40b40$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> <47B44F36.9020209@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000b01c86f1c$97279420$0101a8c0@DHMHHC2J> Ron Thanks for your response, I have actually cured the problem. I realised that the rec mute button was still glowing red during the auto calibration procedure obviously it was stuck so I gent ly eased the button up and it went off. I repeated the auto calibration for a few times and had to help the button off a few times but now it appears cured! Thanks for your response once more. Regards. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Problem with CR7A Auto Calibration > Andy wrote: >> Hi >> Whilst moving my CR7A from my Hi-Fi rack I caught the Record Mute button >> on my shirt and the front of the button came off. >> I put some super glue on the button and replaced it. >> When I tried to auto calibrate a tape the deck fast forwarded as usual >> and goes into record mode but then stops leaving the green Azimuth, Level >> & Bias indicators flashing, have I done something wrong whilst replacing >> the rec mute button, or has a fault occurred? >> Any assistance would be apreciated. >> Regards. >> Andy >> > > Difficult to say what, exactly, happened. However, > it's likely the Rec Mute function is used during > the auto calibrate procedure. Since the fault is > associated with damage to the Rec Mute button, I > would open up the deck and take a look at the PCB > behind the front panel, to see whether the switch > is stuck. If so, it's possible some of the glue > seeped into the switch, or the cap is now glued > on crooked. > > The front panel is held with screws all round it. > The button is glued to the rear of the front panel, > not to the PCB behind it. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From rblackm2 at bigpond.net.au Thu Feb 14 19:10:44 2008 From: rblackm2 at bigpond.net.au (Ross Blackman) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:10:44 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Zx-7 Eject mechanism failure and noisy switch Message-ID: I have just acquired a ZX-7 described as "near mint and 100% working". Unfortunately, the latter statement is not entirely true. The eject mechanism does not work at all, the door needs to to be opened and closed by hand. Anyone know how to fix this? As I am a bit of a klutz, is this a job for a technician? Also, the Eq switch in the 70 (chrome) position seems to be very noise and occasionally emits some sharp noise spikes loud enough to potentially damage the speakers. This seems to be diminishing as I keep playing a tape, so maybe it is just because the deck has not been used for a while. Is this a case of a switch needing a cleaning? Any help appreciated. Ross -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rblackm2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Feb 15 01:48:35 2008 From: rblackm2 at bigpond.net.au (Ross Blackman) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:48:35 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Problem setting bias on ZX-7 Message-ID: My ZX-7 arrived yesterday (see earlier post with problems on eject mechanism and noisy switch). I have been trying to record some tapes, but I just cannot get the bias setting correct, using the process outlined in the manual. I have tried this with three different tapes - TDK SA, SA-X and Maxell XLII-S - and each time I get the same result. The result is that the left channel bias is always much lower than the right channel. When the left channel knob is turned fully right, it is way below the calibration point, while the right channel can go significantly above it. Monitoring recordings suggests that the calibration point on the right channel has far too much high frequency information. Turning it down by ear produces a much better result. Is there a problem (another one) with my deck? Should it be serviced? It also seems that all of the calibration settings become totally different every time I re-set it on the same tape, and vary wildly depending on how far into the tape I set it. Is this normal? Should I get the bias as close as I can by ear and then make sure the settings are the same on left and right? I have just tried this and I seem to be able to get reasonably okay recordings. These settings can then be used for each recording on the same type of tape (but re-setting azimuth each time). Any thoughts appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Fri Feb 15 08:37:18 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:07:18 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Ques. about Azimuth/Height : URGENT References: <200802141104.m1EB1YnQ029530@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <00be01c86fa5$99a5b540$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hello Please refer to the picture here : http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/azm.jpg This is the problem : Sometime ago i have noticed muffled (low level) sounds in the right channel .. which i thought was somehow due to azimuth being off its place. I dont have alignment tapes so i adjusted the PH azimuth by ear, taking an "average" of various pre-recorded tapes. The muffled sound in the right channel still persists. And is more apparent when there is a length of unrecorded tape on the B-side .. increasing the volumes makes it very discernible. So i tried adjusting the PH height. Note in the picture, the red superimposed lines are the original position markers and the blue superimposed lines are the current position markers. The arrows in green indicate the pitch travel. At this position, again by ear, the sound is the least. However, i dont know why or whether i misread the Service manuals, i had taken out the PH Height gear and in doing so, perhaps (really not sure) the lower height adjustment screw may have wandered off its original position by a notch or two when refitting the PH height gear. I could not mark it like i had marked the upper screw before removing the height gear. So anyways, now that the problem has been described, how much trouble am i in ? Is this going to affect the heads in any way ? The tapes playback fine now (again tested across a variety of pre-recorded tapes). Any pointers on this would be most helpful. Thanks and regards Soumi From rockykhan11 at netzero.com Fri Feb 15 13:36:45 2008 From: rockykhan11 at netzero.com (rockykhan11 at netzero.com) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:36:45 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Looking for front glass door for an RX-202 Message-ID: <20080215.063645.16167.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Hello: I am looking for a glass door for RX-202. Any help would be appreciated. I am willing to pay a reasonable price. UPS broke mine during shipment and it has been nightmare to get the money from them so I abandoned that effort. 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URL: From alfienoakes69 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Feb 15 15:31:06 2008 From: alfienoakes69 at yahoo.co.uk (Alfie Noakes) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:31:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Get lost for a day In-Reply-To: <47B44F36.9020209@rcn.com> Message-ID: ~ there's a big piece on the Dragon in there somewhere From mpl123 at xs4all.nl Thu Feb 14 23:26:05 2008 From: mpl123 at xs4all.nl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Deurloo?=) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:26:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi Control Motor Cleaning In-Reply-To: <021320081327.7916.47B2F05A00098BFB00001EEC22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <021320081327.7916.47B2F05A00098BFB00001EEC22165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47B4BFFD.2080706@xs4all.nl> Hello *andy*, all others, Thank you for pointing that all out to me, Andy. Excellent procedure you made. Today I found the courage to pick up a screw driver and start working. I took out the entire motor ass'y. First thing I did was gently remove all the sticky dust with dry cotton tips. Looks a lot better already. Since I'm in The Netherlands I ordered a DeOxIt equivalent. I read a post here by Jörg van Hoorn suggesting to contact the Conrad online shop for it. Once I've got this stuff I can start cleaning the motors and gear ass'y. I think it is a nice project. Will be back in a couple of days to report again if you all like that. André hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Hello again, André: > > I put together a step-by-step procedure for cleaning your Nakamichi deck's control motor. My procedure shows a CR-7 being cleaned, but the same procedure applies to your deck as well. > > Luis Peromarta, one of the resident Nak experts here on Naktalk, is one of the people who have kindly posted my procedure on his excellent website. > > (By the way, since you live in Europe, if you should ever need further repairs on your BX-125E, you can send it to Luis. By all accounts, he seems to do excellent work, and is very knowledgeable.) > > To see my control motor cleaning tips, click the link below: > > http://peromarta.org/naks/cr7_control_motor.html > > Good Luck, and if you have any further questions, just ask me! > > > *andy* > From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Fri Feb 15 20:16:30 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:16:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Ques. about Azimuth/Height : URGENT In-Reply-To: <00be01c86fa5$99a5b540$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <200802141104.m1EB1YnQ029530@zxe.naks.com> <00be01c86fa5$99a5b540$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <002301c87007$47dd0c10$d7972430$@utah.edu> I notice your pad lifter is missing. If you have another deck that is aligned, try recording a test tone and peak the playback. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of soumitra at soumitrab.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:37 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Ques. about Azimuth/Height : URGENT Hello Please refer to the picture here : http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/azm.jpg This is the problem : Sometime ago i have noticed muffled (low level) sounds in the right channel .. which i thought was somehow due to azimuth being off its place. I dont have alignment tapes so i adjusted the PH azimuth by ear, taking an "average" of various pre-recorded tapes. The muffled sound in the right channel still persists. And is more apparent when there is a length of unrecorded tape on the B-side .. increasing the volumes makes it very discernible. So i tried adjusting the PH height. Note in the picture, the red superimposed lines are the original position markers and the blue superimposed lines are the current position markers. The arrows in green indicate the pitch travel. At this position, again by ear, the sound is the least. However, i dont know why or whether i misread the Service manuals, i had taken out the PH Height gear and in doing so, perhaps (really not sure) the lower height adjustment screw may have wandered off its original position by a notch or two when refitting the PH height gear. I could not mark it like i had marked the upper screw before removing the height gear. So anyways, now that the problem has been described, how much trouble am i in ? Is this going to affect the heads in any way ? The tapes playback fine now (again tested across a variety of pre-recorded tapes). Any pointers on this would be most helpful. Thanks and regards Soumi ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Sat Feb 16 00:12:04 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:12:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Ques. about Azimuth/Height : URGENT In-Reply-To: <002301c87007$47dd0c10$d7972430$@utah.edu> References: <200802141104.m1EB1YnQ029530@zxe.naks.com> <00be01c86fa5$99a5b540$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <002301c87007$47dd0c10$d7972430$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <47B61C44.4050107@peromarta.org> Victor Gabrenas escribió: > I notice your pad lifter is missing. If you have another deck that is > aligned, try recording a test tone and peak the playback. > > This might help, but if your tilt is missaligned (after removing the retain plastic gear), you need a tilt-adj gauge. I doubt there is an alternate way of achiving the right position. Good luck. LP From luis at peromarta.org Sat Feb 16 00:15:24 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:15:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Zx-7 Eject mechanism failure and noisy switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47B61D0C.9080201@peromarta.org> Ross Blackman escribió: > I have just acquired a ZX-7 described as "near mint and 100% working". > Unfortunately, the latter statement is not entirely true. > > The eject mechanism does not work at all, the door needs to to be opened > and closed by hand. Anyone know how to fix this? As I am a bit of a > klutz, is this a job for a technician? Probaly hardend grease. Try cleaning and re-lubing. Not difficult. > > Also, the Eq switch in the 70 (chrome) position seems to be very noise > and occasionally emits some sharp noise spikes loud enough to > potentially damage the speakers. This seems to be diminishing as I keep > playing a tape, so maybe it is just because the deck has not been used > for a while. Is this a case of a switch needing a cleaning? Give it a bit of de-oxit or similar contact clenar, switch a few times back and forth, it should cure the problem. rgds, LP. > > Any help appreciated. > > Ross > From luis at peromarta.org Sat Feb 16 00:17:06 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:17:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Problem setting bias on ZX-7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47B61D72.6020207@peromarta.org> I guess your deck could do with a full clening, demag. and mechanical and electronic calibration. If your problems persist after the service, we should look at it again. LP. Ross Blackman escribió: > My ZX-7 arrived yesterday (see earlier post with problems on eject > mechanism and noisy switch). I have been trying to record some tapes, > but I just cannot get the bias setting correct, using the process > outlined in the manual. I have tried this with three different tapes - > TDK SA, SA-X and Maxell XLII-S - and each time I get the same result. > > The result is that the left channel bias is always much lower than the > right channel. When the left channel knob is turned fully right, it is > way below the calibration point, while the right channel can go > significantly above it. > > Monitoring recordings suggests that the calibration point on the right > channel has far too much high frequency information. Turning it down by > ear produces a much better result. > > Is there a problem (another one) with my deck? Should it be serviced? > > It also seems that all of the calibration settings become totally > different every time I re-set it on the same tape, and vary wildly > depending on how far into the tape I set it. Is this normal? > > Should I get the bias as close as I can by ear and then make sure the > settings are the same on left and right? I have just tried this and I > seem to be able to get reasonably okay recordings. These settings can > then be used for each recording on the same type of tape (but re-setting > azimuth each time). > > Any thoughts appreciated. > > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 15 21:06:08 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:06:08 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Zx-7 Eject mechanism failure and noisy switch Message-ID: <25726188.1203105968625.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 15 22:17:28 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:17:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Problem setting bias on ZX-7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <535573.74224.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ross, I also have a ZX7. First of all you must make sure the heads and capstans are clean and de-magged. You must follow the calibration procedure exactly which means you must set the azimuth first. Clean everything and demag and try again. Make sure you have all the settings in the correct position. You mentioned you may have a problem with the 70us knob. Make sure that is clean also. Bob N ckman wrote: My ZX-7 arrived yesterday (see earlier post with problems on eject mechanism and noisy switch). I have been trying to record some tapes, but I just cannot get the bias setting correct, using the process outlined in the manual. I have tried this with three different tapes - TDK SA, SA-X and Maxell XLII-S - and each time I get the same result. The result is that the left channel bias is always much lower than the right channel. When the left channel knob is turned fully right, it is way below the calibration point, while the right channel can go significantly above it. Monitoring recordings suggests that the calibration point on the right channel has far too much high frequency information. Turning it down by ear produces a much better result. Is there a problem (another one) with my deck? Should it be serviced? It also seems that all of the calibration settings become totally different every time I re-set it on the same tape, and vary wildly depending on how far into the tape I set it. Is this normal? Should I get the bias as close as I can by ear and then make sure the settings are the same on left and right? I have just tried this and I seem to be able to get reasonably okay recordings. These settings can then be used for each recording on the same type of tape (but re-setting azimuth each time). Any thoughts appreciated. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfienoakes69 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Feb 15 14:53:30 2008 From: alfienoakes69 at yahoo.co.uk (Alfie Noakes) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:53:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX In-Reply-To: <47B44F36.9020209@rcn.com> Message-ID: Hi Guys, I'm looking at buying a 682ZX. How would you rate it? Robbie From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Feb 16 20:32:38 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:32:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Robbie! I'd rate it as a "Must Grab!." Clean, clear, quiet, excellent bass, low flutter-and-wow, excellent imaging. On Feb 15, 2008, at 7:53 AM, Alfie Noakes wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I'm looking at buying a 682ZX. How would you rate it? > > Robbie -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 15 21:02:25 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:02:25 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Ques. about Azimuth/Height : URGENT Message-ID: <17678803.1203105745434.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Soumi, Where has your pad lifter gone? This is a work around method: To rescue yourself, record 1kHz at -20Vu, monitor playback and adjust PLAY height (center gear only) for maximum level. Pass through the maximum and center the adjustment. Next, switch to 400 Hz and and adjust record level calibrate for -20 in -20 out. Next record 10kHz, and notice the level differences between L and R channels. If they are close then tilt is probably ok. If they are 2-3 dB, then remove the height coupling gear and adjust the LOWER tilt gear only, no more than 1/4 turn. Set at the point where the 10kHz level is the best. Reinstall the height gear, and record 1kHz, performing fine adjustment of height. Switch to 15-20kHz and adjust play azimuth for maximum and closest channel balance. What this is doing is adjusting the play head to the record head, and assumes record head settings have not been altered. This also assumes the lower tilt screw is the only one that may have moved relative to the height gear. One of Luis' track tapes would also rescue you. Tilt can be "eyeballed" by removing the mechanism and the cassette holder, and backlighting the heads from the right side. Peer in the left side and compart the tilt of the record head to the play head. Once tilt is set by eye, then do the height adjustments above, omitting the step where the height gear is uncoupled. To all: Whenever you suddenly have record or play level problems, clean first and align only as a last resort. The Nakamichi heads are very good at staying in one place, even through shipping. Only the 600-II has a bad problem with wandering alignments. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: soumitra at soumitrab.com >Sent: Feb 15, 2008 1:37 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Ques. about Azimuth/Height : URGENT > >Hello >Please refer to the picture here : http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/azm.jpg > >This is the problem : >Sometime ago i have noticed muffled (low level) sounds in the right channel >.. which i thought was somehow due to azimuth being off its place. I dont >have alignment tapes so i adjusted the PH azimuth by ear, taking an >"average" of various pre-recorded tapes. >The muffled sound in the right channel still persists. And is more apparent >when there is a length of unrecorded tape on the B-side .. increasing the >volumes makes it very discernible. >So i tried adjusting the PH height. Note in the picture, the red >superimposed lines are the original position markers and the blue >superimposed lines are the current position markers. >The arrows in green indicate the pitch travel. > >At this position, again by ear, the sound is the least. However, i dont know >why or whether i misread the Service manuals, i had taken out the PH Height >gear and in doing so, perhaps (really not sure) the lower height adjustment >screw may have wandered off its original position by a notch or two when >refitting the PH height gear. I could not mark it like i had marked the >upper screw before removing the height gear. > >So anyways, now that the problem has been described, how much trouble am i >in ? Is this going to affect the heads in any way ? The tapes playback fine >now (again tested across a variety of pre-recorded tapes). > >Any pointers on this would be most helpful. > >Thanks and regards >Soumi > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Feb 16 13:35:40 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:35:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Message-ID: <021620081235.9565.47B6D89C0009D01B0000255D22155612649C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Robbie: I own a 682ZX, as well as several other Nakamichi decks, including a ZX-7, a ZX-9, and four CR-7A's. The 682ZX is my favorite deck, hands down. Simply incredible performance, and it looks fantastic. If the price is right (and even if it's a little bit NOT right), I say BUY IT. *andy* From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sat Feb 16 15:12:36 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:42:36 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Ques. about Azimuth/Height : URGENT References: <17678803.1203105745434.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001c01c870a5$fcff3e80$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Thank you Victor, Tom and Luis, for your inputs. I Have tried the methods suggested and falling short of using an alignment gauge, have managed to get it as close to being perfect as possible. The top and bottom tilt screw positions .. similar to what was posted earlier i think ... wonder how this unit achieved such a fairly wide travel on the tilt ... i must have adjusted this instead of azimuth, being half asleep as well. http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/azm2.jpg Thank you again. Soumi From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sat Feb 16 15:23:29 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:53:29 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Some modding pics References: <200802161102.m1GB0o71000858@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002101c870a7$81ef92b0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi all Here are some pics from my modding efforts. The first group is of the Creative Audigy2 soundcard, where i replaced 3 opamps (NJM 4558) with LM4562 .. they are marked with red arrows. The next thing was to replace as many of the electrolytics with Nichicon electrolytics, beef up the power supply filters, and bypass with film caps. http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/a2opamp.jpg http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/a2underside.jpg The other mod-in-progress was the DR2 .. with gold plated IC sockets and LM4562 opamps, supply and electrolytic bypassing with polypropylene caps. http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/compside.jpg http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/opamp.jpg http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/underside.jpg Regards Soumi From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Feb 16 17:17:01 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:17:01 EST Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX Message-ID: In a message dated 2/16/2008 1:45:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, alfienoakes69 at yahoo.co.uk writes: I'm looking at buying a 682ZX. How would you rate it? One of the best. JW **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. 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Regards John Gipps Message: 2 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:10:44 +1100 From: "Ross Blackman" Subject: [naktalk] Zx-7 Eject mechanism failure and noisy switch To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have just acquired a ZX-7 described as "near mint and 100% working". Unfortunately, the latter statement is not entirely true. The eject mechanism does not work at all, the door needs to to be opened and closed by hand. Anyone know how to fix this? As I am a bit of a klutz, is this a job for a technician? Also, the Eq switch in the 70 (chrome) position seems to be very noise and occasionally emits some sharp noise spikes loud enough to potentially damage the speakers. This seems to be diminishing as I keep playing a tape, so maybe it is just because the deck has not been used for a while. Is this a case of a switch needing a cleaning? Any help appreciated. Ross ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. 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On Feb 17, 2008, at 4:17 AM, Martin & Karen Short wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > > Good to see you back on the forum, haven't seen you about in a > while.. hopefully you have just been busy!!. > Forgive me if for tagging onto your posting to naktalk below, but I > see you have successfully reproduced the nakamichi track alignment > tape?? > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From rblackm2 at bigpond.net.au Sun Feb 17 04:16:16 2008 From: rblackm2 at bigpond.net.au (Ross Blackman) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:16:16 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZX-7 Eject mechanism failure and noisy switch In-Reply-To: <8CA3F16842DED57-274-13A8@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA3F16842DED57-274-13A8@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7E684468EFBB4F56823EC34CA6378DCE@RossPC> Hi John, Thanks for your reply. I am in Sydney - do you know of any good local technicians for Naks? Also, any thoughts on the bias calibration problem - it is impossible to calibrate standard tapes such as TDK SA and SA-X because the left channel maxes out well before the calibration point, and the right channel is far too bright at the calibration point. Regards Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: johngipps at aol.com To: rblackm2 at bigpond.net.au ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: ZX-7 Eject mechanism failure and noisy switch Hi Ross In my experience, your noisy 70uS switch problem will be capacitors C142 and C242 on the Dolby NR PCB. These are 10nF - replace with good quality film capacitors - preferably polystyrene or polypropylene (for easy to source components, you could also use polyester - by far the most commonly stocked film caps in component stores - over here in Australia, they are often referred to as "green caps"). This is a common ZX-7 and ZX-9 problem. Regards John Gipps Message: 2 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:10:44 +1100 From: "Ross Blackman" Subject: [naktalk] Zx-7 Eject mechanism failure and noisy switch To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have just acquired a ZX-7 described as "near mint and 100% working". Unfortunately, the latter statement is not entirely true. The eject mechanism does not work at all, the door needs to to be opened and closed by hand. Anyone know how to fix this? As I am a bit of a klutz, is this a job for a technician? Also, the Eq switch in the 70 (chrome) position seems to be very noise and occasionally emits some sharp noise spikes loud enough to potentially damage the speakers. This seems to be diminishing as I keep playing a tape, so maybe it is just because the deck has not been used for a while. Is this a case of a switch needing a cleaning? Any help appreciated. Ross ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ More new features than ever. 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Forgive me if for tagging onto your posting to naktalk below, but I see you have successfully reproduced the nakamichi track alignment tape?? best regards Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit Gray" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes > Months ago, I mentioned that I developed the equipment (including a > special tape head) to successfully produce the unusual azimuth alignment > tape that has the 1 kcps tone in the margin between tracks. Not > surprisingly to anyone, I converted a Nakamichi 600 for the work. I > mentioned this some time ago but no one seemed interested so I let the > matter drop. Nevertheless, I can make these whenever anyone wants one. > The one I made for myself is quite helpful. > > Producing original alignment tapes to factory specifications requires > more than just making an accurate recording onto a stock tape recorder > with a tone sourced from an oscillator. I was in the process of creating > the equipment, but again, no one showed interest so I let the matter > drop. My business interests have moved on and I now do not have time to > make alignment tapes, but I'd be happy to dig out my notes and assist you > in setting up production. > > The point where I had stopped work was that I was working on reducing > flutter and wow to a magnitude far below a stock deck, and I was > experimenting with more efficient QC methods that were not as labor > intensive as what I was using. I had devised a concept for a self- > calibrating "master deck" but did not proceed with bringing it to > fruition given the lack of interest I was experiencing. > > You will need extraordinary patience, the willingness to pay fanatical > attention to detail, the ability to experience many failures before > success and the money to afford a rather sizeable capital investment. > Companies like MRL and Teac don't use cheap recorders, a cheap > oscilloscope, a Radio Shack oscillator and crossed fingers to make their > reference-quality alignment tapes. > > I should also mention that I found my Hewlett-Packard 200CD oscillator > lacked the stability to make alignment tapes, even when retrofitted with > an outboard AGC. I was in the process of designing a superior oscillator > when I abandoned the work. You will need an oscillator of phenomenal > frequency and amplitude stability. > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 3:11 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > >> A fellow nak enthusiast and I are currently seeking a full track head. I >> would like to start producing some alignment tapes that are produced the >> same way the originals. Anyone who has any knowledge or input would be >> appreciated. My originals are 20 plus years old. >> >> Anyone with who knows with out a doubt how these were made. Please fill >> me >> in with any information. I know Luis has some decent tapes, however I am >> trying to create the originals. Not in this for a profit but if this can >> be >> accomplished reasonably, I might be able to create a few more. >> >> The following tapes are whats planned: >> 1-3KHz wow and flutter >> 2-400Hz level full track >> 3-1KHz track alignment >> 4-15KHz azimuth >> 5-15KHz and 20KHz playback levels >> 6-tape guide jig and tooling to set guides. Already created. Similar to >> the >> Wollensak. >> >> FYI: I may have successfully created a track alignment at 1KHz with a >> null >> center tracks like the original. Align for minimum signal. More testing >> is >> needed to make sure of it. > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > From tilomagnet at web.de Sun Feb 17 16:15:51 2008 From: tilomagnet at web.de (joachim hetzer) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:15:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 682 ZX vs. ZX-7 Message-ID: <1478822619@web.de> Any reason to prefer the 682 ZX over a ZX-7? The 682 ZX often sell for more, is this only because they are more rare? _______________________________________________________________________ Jetzt neu! Schützen Sie Ihren PC mit McAfee und WEB.DE. 30 Tage kostenlos testen. http://www.pc-sicherheit.web.de/startseite/?mc=022220 From danbarham at aol.com Sun Feb 17 17:37:21 2008 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:37:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX-7 problems Message-ID: <8CA3F9A80DC942C-12EC-3AA3@WEBMAIL-DC03.sysops.aol.com> Folks, this is exactly why I almost go out of my way to find the broken "for parts or service" machines. Ross' recent score of his ZX-7 listed as "near mint and 100% working" turned out to be totally false, as is usually the case. Sorry Ross that you got more trouble than you bargained for. On a positive note however, you did get one of the most sought after and top performing Naks they ever made. Well worth putting in the time and effort to bring it back to top condition. I almost always pass on machines going for too much money because they rarely perform as listed. Nearly ALL machines are going to require some degree of work. Those mint machines sitting in the closet for the last ten years with almost no use on them since new are some of the worst offenders. Sure, they're in great physical shape but the rubber is likely bad, the motors have dead spots, the switches and pots are dirty, grease hardened, caps drifting or leaking, etc. Naks are just like classic cars in that they are meant to be used and without regular use they tend to deteriorate rather quickly. When I refurbish a machine, I take it to my office and use it frequently for weeks before I ever put it back on the market. I've had a few machines that I've overhauled and were working great on the bench, only to have some minor problem reappear a little down the road. Easily fixed but my point is, these machines need to be used. Oftentimes, the machines that had been sitting for long periods take some time and use to "shake off the dust" and function properly. OK, long rant, sorry. Venting complete! Enjoy the Naks. Dan Barham Chicagoland ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Sun Feb 17 22:03:01 2008 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:03:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes In-Reply-To: <2A47C445-AA80-4DF9-951B-F3839AF698B2@kvglabs.com> References: <002b01c86517$07a387f0$3201000a@gabrenas> <03b001c8714e$3e5bcad0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> <2A47C445-AA80-4DF9-951B-F3839AF698B2@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110802171303y2e249a9cqa19227c24358e2a4@mail.gmail.com> Aaaa! If you're endorsing these I'll buy one now. Just email me offlist and tell me where to paypal and how much. -Tim On Feb 17, 2008 2:49 PM, Kermit Gray wrote: > Hey Martin, > > Good to see you! Yes, I did successfully make a track alignment tape > similar to the Nakamichi, but went one better -- I use a series of > three tones, 50 cps, 1 k/c and 10 k/c. I haven't yet put them on the > market because I've had almost no interest in them. But, I'm training > a technician to make the tapes and will try offering one on eBay in a > few weeks to see how things go. > > On Feb 17, 2008, at 4:17 AM, Martin & Karen Short wrote: > > > Hi Kermit, > > > > > > Good to see you back on the forum, haven't seen you about in a > > while.. hopefully you have just been busy!!. > > Forgive me if for tagging onto your posting to naktalk below, but I > > see you have successfully reproduced the nakamichi track alignment > > tape?? > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From letsboogienow at hotmail.com Sun Feb 17 22:39:39 2008 From: letsboogienow at hotmail.com (boogie man) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:39:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: ZX-7 problems In-Reply-To: <8CA3F9A80DC942C-12EC-3AA3@WEBMAIL-DC03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA3F9A80DC942C-12EC-3AA3@WEBMAIL-DC03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Dan: Well said so now I am going to turn on my babies and enjoy them. To: naktalk at naks.comDate: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:37:21 -0500From: danbarham at aol.comSubject: [naktalk] RE: ZX-7 problemsFolks, this is exactly why I almost go out of my way to find the broken "for parts or service" machines. Ross' recent score of his ZX-7 listed as "near mint and 100% working" turned out to be totally false, as is usually the case. Sorry Ross that you got more trouble than you bargained for. On a positive note however, you did get one of the most sought after and top performing Naks they ever made. Well worth putting in the time and effort to bring it back to top condition. I almost always pass on machines going for too much money because they rarely perform as listed. Nearly ALL machines are going to require some degree of work. Those mint machines sitting in the closet for the last ten years with almost no use on them since new are some of the worst offenders. Sure, they're in great physical shape but the rubber is likely bad, the motors have dead spots, the switches and pots are dirty, grease hardened, caps drifting or leaking, etc. Naks are just like classic cars in that ! they are meant to be used and without regular use they tend to deteriorate rather quickly. When I refurbish a machine, I take it to my office and use it frequently for weeks before I ever put it back on the market. I've had a few machines that I've overhauled and were working great on the bench, only to have some minor problem reappear a little down the road. Easily fixed but my point is, these machines need to be used. Oftentimes, the machines that had been sitting for long periods take some time and use to "shake off the dust" and function properly. OK, long rant, sorry. Venting complete! Enjoy the Naks.Dan BarhamChicagoland More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail! _________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Feb 17 22:40:24 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:40:24 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: 682 ZX vs. ZX-7 Message-ID: In a message dated 2/17/2008 1:33:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tilomagnet at web.de writes: Any reason to prefer the 682 ZX over a ZX-7? The 682 ZX often sell for more, is this only because they are more rare? I have both decks - they are roughly equivalent in performance and sound. The ZX-7 has a fader, and the 682ZX has a pitch control. If either of those features are important to you, then it could swing the decision. However, I think the main difference is not between the models, but you should be looking at each individual deck. You want to try and get a deck that is in very good condition, as the older decks are starting to have issues. A deck of either model in really good condition is worth going for. Jeff W **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pengang at sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 17 23:24:39 2008 From: pengang at sbcglobal.net (Peng Ang (ATT)) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:24:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sort on Nakamichi 680 deck Message-ID: <002901c871b3$e5ec9170$1513a8c0@X32APH> I've owned this deck since the mid-80s. I haven't used it in a while (at least 10 years). Recently, I took it out, with the intent of revisiting some of my music cassette tapes. It doesn't play. When power is turned ON, the deck seems to go through some startup sequence, then stops. When I activated PLAY, it turns a few revolutions, then stops. Similar with rewind. I would like advice on what to do... if I want to get it serviced, where is a good place? Are there any in Northern California? (I live in Palo Alto.) Thank you in advance. Regards, Peng -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emersn at sonic.net Mon Feb 18 04:33:52 2008 From: emersn at sonic.net (Stephen Emerson) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:33:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Need advice on a BX-125E problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D5AF4C5-F1F7-413D-B951-6527AAF74B8D@sonic.net> On Feb 13, 2008, at 7:55 AM, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/13/2008 2:38:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > emersn at sonic.net writes: > The $64 question is -- which chip was blown? > > > > According to the note Willy wrote me, C604 shorted taking out R692 > and IC608. He found only one supplier for IC608 who wanted a > minimum order of 25 pieces, so he wound up taking one off a CR-1 > parts deck I had picked up off Craigslist for $25. Thanks for looking that up, Jeff. Just to follow up, I checked my problem CR-1A and that cap is fine; the R692 on the board is not used for this unit. Steve. From alfienoakes69 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 18 12:04:28 2008 From: alfienoakes69 at yahoo.co.uk (Alfie Noakes) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:04:28 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for your replies on this. I missed it! In the end it went for ?162GBP (about $320USD). Cheers Robbie -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: 16 February 2008 16:17 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682ZX In a message dated 2/16/2008 1:45:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, alfienoakes69 at yahoo.co.uk writes: I'm looking at buying a 682ZX. How would you rate it? One of the best. JW _____ The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Mon Feb 18 13:52:23 2008 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:52:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Advice sort on Nakamichi 680 deck In-Reply-To: <002901c871b3$e5ec9170$1513a8c0@X32APH> References: <002901c871b3$e5ec9170$1513a8c0@X32APH> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD4232C85DF6A@mail.mmsav.com> Hello Peng, Sounds like it could possibly be the counter belt or the "end of tape" lamp on the EOT PCB. Doug ________________________________ From: Peng Ang (ATT) [mailto:pengang at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 5:25 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Advice sort on Nakamichi 680 deck I've owned this deck since the mid-80s. I haven't used it in a while (at least 10 years). Recently, I took it out, with the intent of revisiting some of my music cassette tapes. It doesn't play. When power is turned ON, the deck seems to go through some startup sequence, then stops. When I activated PLAY, it turns a few revolutions, then stops. Similar with rewind. I would like advice on what to do... if I want to get it serviced, where is a good place? Are there any in Northern California? (I live in Palo Alto.) Thank you in advance. Regards, Peng -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrplosay at gci.net Mon Feb 18 18:27:03 2008 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:27:03 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Alignment Tapes References: <200802181100.m1IB0mC7005103@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <005c01c87253$7a4df300$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> Actually, I think a bunch of us would probably be interested in these. I know I am for certain. > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:03:01 -0600 > From: "Tim Skorick" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > <6bddc1110802171303y2e249a9cqa19227c24358e2a4 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Aaaa! If you're endorsing these I'll buy one now. Just email me offlist > and tell me where to paypal and how much. > > -Tim > From ed at mcnierney.com Mon Feb 18 22:51:56 2008 From: ed at mcnierney.com (Ed McNierney) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:51:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Help with Cassette Deck 2 Playback Message-ID: <002801c87278$7be7a600$73b6f200$@com> Folks – Hi; I’m pretty good with mechanical and electronics fiddling and minor repair, but I don’t know anything about cassette decks.  I have a Cassette Deck 2 that seems to work perfectly EXCEPT that it doesn’t play.  FF and REWIND are fine.  When I try to play a tape, there’s a click, no sound, no tape motion, then another click maybe 2 seconds later.  Taking off the case and testing again shows a pair of small white gears/cams that rotate 180 degrees when the PLAY button is pressed, then – after a short pause - rotate back again, clicking each time. I tried to search the archives and found reports that a slipping capstan belt might be the culprit, but I can’t confirm that – I can’t tell what the capstan belt is!  If I open the case and look at the cassette mechanism from the rear, there’s a belt that runs in a triangle on the left (from the rear) side.  It appears to be driven by a largish motor that sticks out up high, pointed towards the rear.  The belt isn’t particularly tight, but seems OK, but the motor doesn’t power up at all during a playback attempt, so maybe the belt’s fine and the motor’s dead, or maybe I’m just looking in the wrong place entirely. I would very much appreciate diagnostic tips or suggestions on how to find documentation to help myself.  I’m trying to do this on the cheap as I no longer need the cassette deck but would like to see it working so I can give it away (with a clear conscience) to someone who can use it.  Thanks! - Ed From emersn at sonic.net Tue Feb 19 04:16:40 2008 From: emersn at sonic.net (Stephen Emerson) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:16:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Noisy cassette mechanisms in one channel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53946FC0-AAD4-485C-AAB0-56F7ABD688B0@sonic.net> Not really a Nak-specific question. But. Several times I've had cassettes, mostly out of the library, that play with noise from the spindles entering the audio stream. In the current instance, it's like a clunk, several times per revolution. Small noise for a clunk, but clunk-like. Not too audible in loud passages, but conspicuous in quiet ones. The interesting thing is that the noise seems to always be in the right channel. I'm curious why that is. Theories present themselves, but they're only that. On occasion I've taken the tape out of a cassette and put it into a different plastic shell, from a new cassette. I would think this would solve the problem. But it's a delicate surgery to perform on library property. Especially since this is one of those cassette bodies not put together with screws -- it'll probably bust when I open it up. So it would be nice to be fairly sure this will work before doing it. Thanks for any thoughts, Steve. From geospa at hotmail.com Tue Feb 19 06:19:33 2008 From: geospa at hotmail.com (geo spa) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:19:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Help with Cassette Deck 2 Playback Message-ID: believe it or not i had the same problem with the cassette deck 2. also not that savvy inside a cassette deck i simply moved the belt myself and the motor started spinning again, it seems the motor (for some unknown reason) was stuck. it was running in minutes and has been fine ever since. hope this "i have no idea what i'm doing" email helps rich > From: ed at mcnierney.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:51:56 -0500 > Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Help with Cassette Deck 2 Playback > > Folks – > > Hi; I’m pretty good with mechanical and electronics fiddling and minor > repair, but I don’t know anything about cassette decks. I have a Cassette > Deck 2 that seems to work perfectly EXCEPT that it doesn’t play. FF and > REWIND are fine. When I try to play a tape, there’s a click, no sound, no > tape motion, then another click maybe 2 seconds later. Taking off the case > and testing again shows a pair of small white gears/cams that rotate 180 > degrees when the PLAY button is pressed, then – after a short pause - rotate > back again, clicking each time. > > I tried to search the archives and found reports that a slipping capstan > belt might be the culprit, but I can’t confirm that – I can’t tell what the > capstan belt is! If I open the case and look at the cassette mechanism from > the rear, there’s a belt that runs in a triangle on the left (from the rear) > side. It appears to be driven by a largish motor that sticks out up high, > pointed towards the rear. The belt isn’t particularly tight, but seems OK, > but the motor doesn’t power up at all during a playback attempt, so maybe > the belt’s fine and the motor’s dead, or maybe I’m just looking in the wrong > place entirely. > > I would very much appreciate diagnostic tips or suggestions on how to find > documentation to help myself. I’m trying to do this on the cheap as I no > longer need the cassette deck but would like to see it working so I can give > it away (with a clear conscience) to someone who can use it. Thanks! > > - Ed > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daveharris at clear.net.nz Tue Feb 19 09:10:48 2008 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:10:48 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZX-7 Eject mechanism failure and noisy switch In-Reply-To: <7E684468EFBB4F56823EC34CA6378DCE@RossPC> References: <8CA3F16842DED57-274-13A8@webmail-mf07.sysops.aol.com> <7E684468EFBB4F56823EC34CA6378DCE@RossPC> Message-ID: <24DC2587F6094AD4A92D22D3E1EC3044@Vistanx7300> Try These guys in NSW http://stonessoundstudio.com.au/stone/nakamichi.htm al Message ----- From: Ross Blackman To: naktalk at naks.com ; johngipps at aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: ZX-7 Eject mechanism failure and noisy switch Hi John, Thanks for your reply. I am in Sydney - do you know of any good local technicians for Naks? Also, any thoughts on the bias calibration problem - it is impossible to calibrate standard tapes such as TDK SA and SA-X because the left channel maxes out well before the calibration point, and the right channel is far too bright at the calibration point. Regards Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: johngipps at aol.com To: rblackm2 at bigpond.net.au ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:52 AM Subject: ZX-7 Eject mechanism failure and noisy switch Hi Ross In my experience, your noisy 70uS switch problem will be capacitors C142 and C242 on the Dolby NR PCB. These are 10nF - replace with good quality film capacitors - preferably polystyrene or polypropylene (for easy to source components, you could also use polyester - by far the most commonly stocked film caps in component stores - over here in Australia, they are often referred to as "green caps"). This is a common ZX-7 and ZX-9 problem. Regards John Gipps Message: 2 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:10:44 +1100 From: "Ross Blackman" Subject: [naktalk] Zx-7 Eject mechanism failure and noisy switch To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have just acquired a ZX-7 described as "near mint and 100% working". Unfortunately, the latter statement is not entirely true. The eject mechanism does not work at all, the door needs to to be opened and closed by hand. Anyone know how to fix this? As I am a bit of a klutz, is this a job for a technician? Also, the Eq switch in the 70 (chrome) position seems to be very noise and occasionally emits some sharp noise spikes loud enough to potentially damage the speakers. This seems to be diminishing as I keep playing a tape, so maybe it is just because the deck has not been used for a while. Is this a case of a switch needing a cleaning? Any help appreciated. Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- More new features than ever. 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URL: From phil05 at abv.bg Tue Feb 19 10:03:56 2008 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?windows-1251?B?wuDr5e3y6O0gz+Xt5eI=?=) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:03:56 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Pressure rollers Dragon Message-ID: <363992498.58305.1203411836576.JavaMail.nobody@mail54.abv.bg> Please help me and my yesterday received Dragon. I have following question. Are (or must be) the Dragon pressure rollers with exact even surface, or slightly barrel – shaped in the middle – width of the barrel = tape width? My rollers are so. Is it possible, that this cause slippage? May be I have to replace them before to start something? Thank you very much in advance! From theshorty at bigpond.com Tue Feb 19 10:33:25 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:33:25 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes References: <002b01c86517$07a387f0$3201000a@gabrenas><03b001c8714e$3e5bcad0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy><2A47C445-AA80-4DF9-951B-F3839AF698B2@kvglabs.com> <6bddc1110802171303y2e249a9cqa19227c24358e2a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00be01c872da$79ffe6b0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Tim, I want to buy try one of Kermit's track alignment tapes as I believe it will be more than a very useful tool after recent personl experience.. I recently acquired an Akai GX95 that sounded OK, but not quite right if you know what I mean. I hauled out the T-100 and ran a 15K azimuth tape, and sure azimuth was out. Correcting that made the deck sound quite a bit better, but still didn't seem quite right.. treble was there but the sound stage was slightly off centre. I gave the transport and heads a really deep clean and demag, but no improvement. After a bit of pondering and in a fit of brilliance, I decided to check playback alignment using the Nak track alignment tape.. rightly or wrongly.. and sure enough, good signal on the right, none on the left, yet according to the 15K tape.. should have been OK. Had a look at the head set screws and the height adjuster still appeared to have it's thread lock intact, but not so the tilt. Adjusted the tilt for zero signal and bingo.. sound stage restored. Ran through several recordings .. all good. Not the correct use of the tape if my Nak manuals are anything to go by, but for siamese heads 3 headers seemed to work OK. I want to keep my Nak tape for 'the museum'', and one of Kermits would be a great everyday tool for all my decks, not just the Naks. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Skorick To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes Aaaa! If you're endorsing these I'll buy one now. Just email me offlist and tell me where to paypal and how much. -Tim On Feb 17, 2008 2:49 PM, Kermit Gray wrote: Hey Martin, Good to see you! Yes, I did successfully make a track alignment tape similar to the Nakamichi, but went one better -- I use a series of three tones, 50 cps, 1 k/c and 10 k/c. I haven't yet put them on the market because I've had almost no interest in them. But, I'm training a technician to make the tapes and will try offering one on eBay in a few weeks to see how things go. On Feb 17, 2008, at 4:17 AM, Martin & Karen Short wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > > Good to see you back on the forum, haven't seen you about in a > while.. hopefully you have just been busy!!. > Forgive me if for tagging onto your posting to naktalk below, but I > see you have successfully reproduced the nakamichi track alignment > tape?? > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Feb 19 13:50:58 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:50:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Help with Cassette Deck 2 Playback Message-ID: <021920081250.1668.47BAD0B2000B91F80000068422165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Ed: If I had to guess, I'd say it was probably a worn idler tire. I always check the basic stuff first. When you press RW or FF, the reel motor spins fast enough to (somewhat) make up for the tire's lack of grip. But since the reel motor spins more slowly in PLAY, the tire can't grip the takeup tape hub as well...therefore the hub doesn't spin, and since no movement is detected by the tape sensor, the deck returns itself to STOP, thinking that the end of tape has been reached. The belt that you found that runs in the "triangle" configuration is the capstan belt. As for the capstan motor -- this is the motor that you said doesn't power up at all. Reach down and give that motor's small brass pulley a few turns. Also spin the large flywheel "drum" that the capstan belt goes around. That motor should start spinning whenever PLAY is pushed. I'm betting that this deck has sat for a while and the capstan motor needs to shake off the cobwebs. And it needs a new idler tire. *andy* From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Feb 19 14:42:11 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:42:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Pressure rollers Dragon In-Reply-To: <363992498.58305.1203411836576.JavaMail.nobody@mail54.abv.bg> Message-ID: <124021.77645.qm@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Do not touch the pressure rollars in Dragon unless you have Nakamichi gauges/ tapes - this job is not an easy one - requires all Nak stuff to get it back to correct working state. Secondly check the pressure rollars pivot is moving freely and engages on to the capstan. I have not seen any pinch rollars going bad and would not require replacement unless it becomes hard. Do everything else before coming to pinch rollars replacment - not required in most cases Kannan Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ wrote: Please help me and my yesterday received Dragon. I have following question. Are (or must be) the Dragon pressure rollers with exact even surface, or slightly barrel – shaped in the middle – width of the barrel = tape width? My rollers are so. Is it possible, that this cause slippage? May be I have to replace them before to start something? 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Cassette Deck 2 has the gear idler, so cross that one off. JW **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Feb 19 16:35:28 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:35:28 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes Message-ID: <31469957.1203435328465.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Tue Feb 19 18:08:22 2008 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:08:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] "Official" Head Demagnitization Message-ID: <141028.52729.qm@web36602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's been a while however, I FOUND, and demagnitized the DR 10 heads and tape path with my "Official" Nak head demagnitizer. LOL. Had the original receipt in the box with instructions, bought from b & m electronics in Houston, TX, 1975. Is this unit any good? What is the general consensus on demagnitizing vs play / record time? TIA..... Fred in CT --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ed at mcnierney.com Tue Feb 19 20:19:23 2008 From: ed at mcnierney.com (Ed McNierney) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:19:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Help with Cassette Deck 2 Playback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0d6701c8732c$5706d540$05147fc0$@com> Thanks for all the suggestions - at least I'm poking around in the right place! I did give the capstan motor a manual twist, and it was indeed quite stiff the first time, so the "gummed up" theory is a valid one. It now spins freely when turned by hand, but still does not seem to power up at all. I'll follow up on the rest of the info - thanks, as it's very helpful - and play with the unit tonight. I'm beginning to suspect that the capstan motor is indeed dead, but I'll do more investigating; I can certainly manage to supply power to it directly just to make sure there isn't a separate problem keeping it from turning. - Ed From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of geo spa Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:20 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Looking for Help with Cassette Deck 2 Playback believe it or not i had the same problem with the cassette deck 2. also not that savvy inside a cassette deck i simply moved the belt myself and the motor started spinning again, it seems the motor (for some unknown reason) was stuck. it was running in minutes and has been fine ever since. hope this "i have no idea what i'm doing" email helps rich > From: ed at mcnierney.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:51:56 -0500 > Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Help with Cassette Deck 2 Playback > > Folks - > > Hi; I'm pretty good with mechanical and electronics fiddling and minor > repair, but I don't know anything about cassette decks. I have a Cassette > Deck 2 that seems to work perfectly EXCEPT that it doesn't play. FF and > REWIND are fine. When I try to play a tape, there's a click, no sound, no > tape motion, then another click maybe 2 seconds later. Taking off the case > and testing again shows a pair of small white gears/cams that rotate 180 > degrees when the PLAY button is pressed, then - after a short pause - rotate > back again, clicking each time. > > I tried to search the archives and found reports that a slipping capstan > belt might be the culprit, but I can't confirm that - I can't tell what the > capstan belt is! If I open the case and look at the cassette mechanism from > the rear, there's a belt that runs in a triangle on the left (from the rear) > side. It appears to be driven by a largish motor that sticks out up high, > pointed towards the rear. The belt isn't particularly tight, but seems OK, > but the motor doesn't power up at all during a playback attempt, so maybe > the belt's fine and the motor's dead, or maybe I'm just looking in the wrong > place entirely. > > I would very much appreciate diagnostic tips or suggestions on how to find > documentation to help myself. I'm trying to do this on the cheap as I no > longer need the cassette deck but would like to see it working so I can give > it away (with a clear conscience) to someone who can use it. Thanks! > > - Ed > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Tue Feb 19 20:37:44 2008 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:37:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 550 - my ongoing saga.. Message-ID: <7B27586F-B6F4-4AB4-AD8C-E8E690D76FBD@thegreatbear.net> hi some months back I was trying to get the transport working correctly in my 550 - my problem was that on moving between RW or FF or play the tape momentarily winds the other way before it goes the correct way.. if you wait between using the transport this will work but it's not nice to use! today I spent some more time on it - it's been in bits for months now! Tom suggested it was the brake spring that needed aligning under the reel table. I'd managed to get a scrap 600 transport (they share the same transport and motor) for £10 and tried swapping the brake spring over but this didn't help.. It seems that the idler that spins from the main belt (there is only one drive belt and this powers the capstan and this idler) spins for too long after the transport stops so when you go from RW to PLAY or FF it's still spinning the earlier way.. I haven't tried this yet but my only other course of action I can think of is the motor. The motor in the 550 works but compared to the same one in the scrap 600 it is very loose and continues to spin when not powered. The 600's motor is untested but unpowered it does not freely spin. Does this sound like a possible solution before I start taking more bits off and loosing screws? Thanks adrian From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Feb 20 06:32:52 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:32:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110802171303y2e249a9cqa19227c24358e2a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <002b01c86517$07a387f0$3201000a@gabrenas> <03b001c8714e$3e5bcad0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> <2A47C445-AA80-4DF9-951B-F3839AF698B2@kvglabs.com> <6bddc1110802171303y2e249a9cqa19227c24358e2a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Tim, Martin, I'd like to clarify a few things about my "replica" track alignment tape (the type with the tone between the two stereo tracks). This project began as a part of my attempt to develop my own cassette "superdeck." As part of that effort I wanted the tape as a convenient means of aligning the tape heads and as a means of evaluating tape head quality. When I first began developing the tape, I kept getting into a situation where the tape would indicate the head was aligned properly but when I would check the head visually (measuring the actual alignment) sometimes the head would not be aligned according to the physical measurement. Puzzled, I added the 50 cps and 10 kc tones to the original 1 kc tone as a means of making it more accurate. Now I ran into a different situation -- with a high quality recorder's heads I found that you could null-out the 1 kc and 10 kc tone entirely but never totally eliminate the 50 cps tone (which is predictable because of the effect of fringing). But with a low quality recorder's head I could not ever null out BOTH the 1 kc tone and the 10 kc tone; so, aligning the head for total nulling of the 10 kc tone (allowing a little bit of 1 kc leaking out) made the lower quality cassette deck sound better than aligning on the 1 kc tone; with lower quality decks I had to ignore the 50 cps tone entirely, as I could never reduce its level by very much at any alignment. Fascinating. I still on occasion found an instance where the tape and a physical measurement of head alignment would contradict. My assumption is that with those decks the manufacturer intended for a jig to be used to align the heads, not a test tape. The second issue has to do with the track height alignment standard I chose to create the tape. Because I was making the tape as part of developing my own deck, I chose the Ampex track alignment standard for both my deck AND the test tape. Why? Because this is the alignment standard chosen by many tape duplicators, and I am accustomed to using it as a result. So the test tape I am currently able to make is the Ampex standard. I've read in some places that some Nakamichi cassette decks differ from the Ampex standard as adjusted by the factory. I'm unsure if that is true, but for the sake of disclaimers I'll assume that it is true and may be the reason Nakamichi specifies using a jig with particular models for track alignment. I will tell you that I tried my test tape on my Nakamichi 500, 550 and 600 machines and it did not seem to cause a problem; in fact, despite their age, my machines were still in alignment (to my surprise). So here's the bottom line: this track alignment tape is made to Ampex standard. It will work with any deck, of course, but if the manufacturer of the deck did NOT use Ampex standard then the deck will be realigned differently than the maker's factory standard. This may or may not be a problem, you'll have to decide. Once I've clarified what if any, variance from the Ampex standard exists with Nakamichi cassette decks then I'll release a Nakamichi- specific version. The recorders I used in the evaluation program were: Nakamichi 500, 550, 600, 600-II, BX-2, 680ZX; Bang & Olufsen Beocord 9000, Beocord 2400; Marantz PMD430, Onkyo TA-RW11, Pioneer CT-F7171, CT-F7272; Revox B710 Mk. II, SAE C3D, Technics RS-B28R, RS-M205; Akai CS-M01, Sharp RT-3388A, Luxman K-5 and Yamaha TC-520. On Feb 17, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Tim Skorick wrote: > Aaaa! If you're endorsing these I'll buy one now. Just email me > offlist and tell me where to paypal and how much. > > -Tim > > On Feb 17, 2008 2:49 PM, Kermit Gray wrote: > Hey Martin, > > Good to see you! Yes, I did successfully make a track alignment tape > similar to the Nakamichi, but went one better -- I use a series of > three tones, 50 cps, 1 k/c and 10 k/c. I haven't yet put them on the > market because I've had almost no interest in them. But, I'm training > a technician to make the tapes and will try offering one on eBay in a > few weeks to see how things go. > > On Feb 17, 2008, at 4:17 AM, Martin & Karen Short wrote: > > > Hi Kermit, > > > > > > Good to see you back on the forum, haven't seen you about in a > > while.. hopefully you have just been busy!!. > > Forgive me if for tagging onto your posting to naktalk below, but I > > see you have successfully reproduced the nakamichi track alignment > > tape?? > > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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LOL. > > Had the original receipt in the box with instructions, bought from b > & m electronics in Houston, TX, 1975. > > Is this unit any good? What is the general consensus on > demagnitizing vs play / record time? > > TIA..... > > Fred in CT > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But since the reel motor spins more slowly in PLAY, > the tire can't grip the takeup tape hub as well...therefore the hub doesn't > spin, and since no movement is detected by the tape sensor, the deck returns > itself to STOP, thinking that the end of tape has been reached. > > The belt that you found that runs in the "triangle" configuration is the capstan > belt. > > As for the capstan motor -- this is the motor that you said doesn't power up at > all. Reach down and give that motor's small brass pulley a few turns. Also spin > the large flywheel "drum" that the capstan belt goes around. That motor should > start spinning whenever PLAY is pushed. > > I'm betting that this deck has sat for a while and the capstan motor needs to > shake off the cobwebs. And it needs a new idler tire. > > > *andy* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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His query to me is that he wants to use the built-in dbx function on the Teac. He asked on the popular tape forums what stand alone dbx unit to buy/use on his Tandbergs, so that all three of his R2R's would be compatible together. The consensus was for him to buy a dbx 150....which he did. I have an dbx SNR-1 and a dbx 3BX expander. I assumed I could help him set up just one dbx unit. Well...he sent me the Owners Manual in pdf. First of all, the dbx folks assumed that the people who bought this unit have at least a small recording studio. And as such, that you have a mixing console and a 1kHz test tone signal to feed the mixing console....thereby setting the meters on your R2R at 0db and then the front pots on the dbx 150 as directed etc. Pretty straight fwd if you have all this stuff-he doesn't. So.....why can't he buy a test tone cassette tape with a 1kHz signal, put it in the RX-505 and plug it into the dbx 150 where the 'mixing console' is suppose to go and follow the instructions? They're straight balanced RCA inputs on the dbx unit. He's had this dbx unit for over a yr and would like to use it on the two Tandbergs. Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Feb 20 05:58:26 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 04:58:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] "Official" Head Demagnitization In-Reply-To: <141028.52729.qm@web36602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <141028.52729.qm@web36602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Fred! I have a few demagnetizing units, I ALWAYS do all such process + careful head/capstans & pinch rollers...after 10 times loading 90/100 minutes recording or playing cassettes BOTH sides!!! Newer during more of 4 decades using first R to R units, after cassettes & today ONLY with my Dragon unit the same 10 times issue! Good luck, Alex! Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:08:22 -0800From: fsclaol at yahoo.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] "Official" Head Demagnitization It's been a while however, I FOUND, and demagnitized the DR 10 heads and tape path with my "Official" Nak head demagnitizer. LOL. Had the original receipt in the box with instructions, bought from b & m electronics in Houston, TX, 1975. Is this unit any good? What is the general consensus on demagnitizing vs play / record time? TIA..... Fred in CT Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Feb 20 23:29:16 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:29:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup In-Reply-To: <122663.91782.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <122663.91782.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Kevin, As a longtime fan of dbx, you've identified a common problem with dbx -- getting it calibrated to the deck properly. I'd recommend that you refer to a white paper i wrote on the topic. You can download the PDF at http://www.kvglabs.com/PDF/dbxnrlevels.pdf and follow the procedure described within. You'll need a test signal but don't worry about it -- you can download MP3s of pink noise for calibrating your friend's dbx at http://www.kvglabs.com/ZIP/pink.zip then use the EQ feature of your MP3 player software to filter the pink noise as described in the PDF. The filtering doesn't have to be exact, get as close as your MP3 player software allows. Hope this helps! On Feb 19, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Hi All, > OK, I have this friend who has the following machines; > Teac X-2000R, Tandberg TD-20A, Tandberg TD-20A/SE, and > a Nak RX-505. He has inboard, dbx Type I on the Teac. > His query to me is that he wants to use the built-in > dbx function on the Teac. He asked on the popular tape > forums what stand alone dbx unit to buy/use on his > Tandbergs, so that all three of his R2R's would be > compatible together. The consensus was for him to buy > a dbx 150....which he did. > > I have an dbx SNR-1 and a dbx 3BX expander. I assumed > I could help him set up just one dbx unit. Well...he > sent me the Owners Manual in pdf. First of all, the > dbx folks assumed that the people who bought this unit > have at least a small recording studio. And as such, > that you have a mixing console and a 1kHz test tone > signal to feed the mixing console....thereby setting > the meters on your R2R at 0db and then the front pots > on the dbx 150 as directed etc. > > Pretty straight fwd if you have all this stuff-he > doesn't. So.....why can't he buy a test tone cassette > tape with a 1kHz signal, put it in the RX-505 and plug > it into the dbx 150 where the 'mixing console' is > suppose to go and follow the instructions? They're > straight balanced RCA inputs on the dbx unit. He's had > this dbx unit for over a yr and would like to use it > on the two Tandbergs. > > Kevin > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed Feb 20 12:27:07 2008 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:27:07 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment tapes Message-ID: Kermit Just wondering if you know if your approach to alignment cassettes is similar or different to that taken by Luis Peromarta for his alignment cassettes. I have found his to be useful. For those who don't know, check here: http://peromarta.org/naks/cal_tapes.html David From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Feb 20 16:19:20 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:19:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup In-Reply-To: <122663.91782.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <200802181101.m1IB0mC8005103@zxe.naks.com> <122663.91782.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080220151917.YEBX26354.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> >Kevin, The purpose of calibration tapes is to calibrate a playback unit. Unless he could assure that the test tape calibrated the 505 to perfection, then probably be good enough. I'm surprised that the Tandberg doesn't have built in test tone generators. My Otari has 1khz and 10khz. In about three minutes of less, someone is going to come up with a cheap test tone generator for around $50. >Pretty straight fwd if you have all this stuff-he >doesn't. So.....why can't he buy a test tone cassette >tape with a 1kHz signal, put it in the RX-505 and plug >it into the dbx 150 where the 'mixing console' is >suppose to go and follow the instructions? They're >straight balanced RCA inputs on the dbx unit. He's had >this dbx unit for over a yr and would like to use it >on the two Tandbergs. > >Kevin > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Looking for last minute shopping deals? >Find them fast with Yahoo! >Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From adrian at thegreatbear.net Wed Feb 20 16:40:06 2008 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:40:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 550 - my ongoing saga.. In-Reply-To: <7B27586F-B6F4-4AB4-AD8C-E8E690D76FBD@thegreatbear.net> References: <7B27586F-B6F4-4AB4-AD8C-E8E690D76FBD@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: no luck - the motor form the scrap 600 is dead - I haven't taken it apart yet to investigate.. my original motor works well but it spins on for too long after stopping.. can anyone confirm if the motors are designed or the motor governor circuits are designed to stop the motor immediately after pressing stop from RW or FF? My motor seems to spin on until friction slows it - but every once in a while it stops quickly... thanks adrian On 19 Feb 2008, at 19:37, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: > hi > > some months back I was trying to get the transport working correctly > in my 550 - my problem was that on moving between RW or FF or play > the tape momentarily winds the other way before it goes the correct > way.. if you wait between using the transport this will work but > it's not nice to use! > > today I spent some more time on it - it's been in bits for months > now! Tom suggested it was the brake spring that needed aligning > under the reel table. I'd managed to get a scrap 600 transport (they > share the same transport and motor) for £10 and tried swapping the > brake spring over but this didn't help.. > > It seems that the idler that spins from the main belt (there is only > one drive belt and this powers the capstan and this idler) spins for > too long after the transport stops so when you go from RW to PLAY or > FF it's still spinning the earlier way.. > > I haven't tried this yet but my only other course of action I can > think of is the motor. The motor in the 550 works but compared to > the same one in the scrap 600 it is very loose and continues to spin > when not powered. The 600's motor is untested but unpowered it does > not freely spin. > > Does this sound like a possible solution before I start taking more > bits off and loosing screws? > > > Thanks > > adrian > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From phil05 at abv.bg Wed Feb 20 11:45:32 2008 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?windows-1251?B?wuDr5e3y6O0gz+Xt5eI=?=) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:45:32 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Pressure rollers Dragon Message-ID: <578626173.99967.1203504332550.JavaMail.nobody@mail51.abv.bg> Thank you! The pivots are free and the pressure also seams to be OK. The (small) problem is in reverse play, I saw, that the tape changes slightly the height to the heads, level is ca. 5 dB lower, because the PB head goues slightly out of tracks, azimuth is OK. Tape guides are free and position (height) of the rollers and guides is sealed. All seems to be in original position, all factory sealed points are intact. May be this is normal in reverse play...? Heads tilt seems also to be OK, I cheked only PB and REC heads height and azimuth in normal play. >-------- Оригинално писмо -------- >От: Scott Johnson >Относно: Pressure rollers Dragon >До: phil05 at abv.bg >Изпратено на: Вторник, 2008, Февруари 19 18:23:57 EET >---------------------------------- > >Don't replace the pinch rollers. They rarely ever need replacing. Never use a rubber restored on their surface. Clean them throughly with alcohol until the cotton swab is reasonable clean afterwards. If you are having a slippage issue then it is probably the grease on the pinch roller pivot has dried up and and is not allowing enough pressure against the capstan. This is a very common problem. You need to clean the pivots. Try alcohol first. > >Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ wrote: Please help me and my yesterday received Dragon. I have following question. > >Are (or must be) the Dragon pressure rollers with exact even surface, or slightly barrel ? shaped in the middle ? width of the barrel = tape width? My rollers are so. Is it possible, that this cause slippage? May be I have to replace them before to start something? Thank you very much in advance! >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > From Perryinva at aol.com Wed Feb 20 14:51:22 2008 From: Perryinva at aol.com (Perryinva at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:51:22 EST Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes Message-ID: I'd dearly love to get Kermit's alignment tape as well!!! With 3 other decks that sound nowhere near as good as my Nak, I just don't know if it's alignment or just poor quality! **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. 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URL: From ed at mcnierney.com Wed Feb 20 17:36:06 2008 From: ed at mcnierney.com (Ed McNierney) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:36:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Help with Cassette Deck 2 Playback In-Reply-To: <5170480.1203465880467.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <5170480.1203465880467.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0de901c873de$b226a470$1673ed50$@com> Tom – Thanks – that’s exactly what the label says, and the symptom (motor doesn’t turn, even after being “loosened up”) sounds like a SHU2L failure. I didn’t have a chance yesterday, but tonight I may try powering the motor directly just to confirm the failure. Does anyone know what the supply voltage should be? If not I can try to figure it out – thanks! - Ed From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:05 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Looking for Help with Cassette Deck 2 Playback If the capstan is a pink label SHU2L it is most likely a bad motor. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Ed McNierney Sent: Feb 19, 2008 1:19 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Looking for Help with Cassette Deck 2 Playback Thanks for all the suggestions – at least I’m poking around in the right place! I did give the capstan motor a manual twist, and it was indeed quite stiff the first time, so the “gummed up” theory is a valid one. It now spins freely when turned by hand, but still does not seem to power up at all. I’ll follow up on the rest of the info – thanks, as it’s very helpful – and play with the unit tonight. I’m beginning to suspect that the capstan motor is indeed dead, but I’ll do more investigating; I can certainly manage to supply power to it directly just to make sure there isn’t a separate problem keeping it from turning. - Ed From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of geo spa Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:20 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Looking for Help with Cassette Deck 2 Playback believe it or not i had the same problem with the cassette deck 2. also not that savvy inside a cassette deck i simply moved the belt myself and the motor started spinning again, it seems the motor (for some unknown reason) was stuck. it was running in minutes and has been fine ever since. hope this "i have no idea what i'm doing" email helps rich > From: ed at mcnierney.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:51:56 -0500 > Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Help with Cassette Deck 2 Playback > > Folks – > > Hi; I’m pretty good with mechanical and electronics fiddling and minor > repair, but I don’t know anything about cassette decks. I have a Cassette > Deck 2 that seems to work perfectly EXCEPT that it doesn’t play. FF and > REWIND are fine. When I try to play a tape, there’s a click, no sound, no > tape motion, then another click maybe 2 seconds later. Taking off the case > and testing again shows a pair of small white gears/cams that rotate 180 > degrees when the PLAY button is pressed, then – after a short pause - rotate > back again, clicking each time. > > I tried to search the archives and found reports that a slipping capstan > belt might be the culprit, but I can’t confirm that – I can’t tell what the > capstan belt is! If I open the case and look at the cassette mechanism from > the rear, there’s a belt that runs in a triangle on the left (from the rear) > side. It appears to be driven by a largish motor that sticks out up high, > pointed towards the rear. The belt isn’t particularly tight, but seems OK, > but the motor doesn’t power up at all during a playback attempt, so maybe > the belt’s fine and the motor’s dead, or maybe I’m just looking in the wrong > place entirely. > > I would very much appreciate diagnostic tips or suggestions on how to find > documentation to help myself. I’m trying to do this on the cheap as I no > longer need the cassette deck but would like to see it working so I can give > it away (with a clear conscience) to someone who can use it. Thanks! > > - Ed > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. Learn more. Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alfienoakes69 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 20 13:17:09 2008 From: alfienoakes69 at yahoo.co.uk (Alfie Noakes) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:17:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup In-Reply-To: <122663.91782.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: How about a CD. I have a Denon test CD that has test tones on it. I would have thought that would do the trick. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: 20 February 2008 02:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup Hi All, OK, I have this friend who has the following machines; Teac X-2000R, Tandberg TD-20A, Tandberg TD-20A/SE, and a Nak RX-505. He has inboard, dbx Type I on the Teac. His query to me is that he wants to use the built-in dbx function on the Teac. He asked on the popular tape forums what stand alone dbx unit to buy/use on his Tandbergs, so that all three of his R2R's would be compatible together. The consensus was for him to buy a dbx 150....which he did. I have an dbx SNR-1 and a dbx 3BX expander. I assumed I could help him set up just one dbx unit. Well...he sent me the Owners Manual in pdf. First of all, the dbx folks assumed that the people who bought this unit have at least a small recording studio. And as such, that you have a mixing console and a 1kHz test tone signal to feed the mixing console....thereby setting the meters on your R2R at 0db and then the front pots on the dbx 150 as directed etc. Pretty straight fwd if you have all this stuff-he doesn't. So.....why can't he buy a test tone cassette tape with a 1kHz signal, put it in the RX-505 and plug it into the dbx 150 where the 'mixing console' is suppose to go and follow the instructions? They're straight balanced RCA inputs on the dbx unit. He's had this dbx unit for over a yr and would like to use it on the two Tandbergs. Kevin ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Feb 20 17:43:16 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:43:16 EST Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Help with Cassette Deck 2 Playback Message-ID: In a message dated 2/20/2008 12:25:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: If the capstan is a pink label SHU2L it is most likely a bad motor. I don't think that's the motor in the Cassette Deck 2. It in the Cassette Deck 1 and 1.5 and the DR's. I think the Cassette Deck 2 has the same motor as the BX and CR 2 head decks. If it is the earlier motor, I have both a used one and a new one either of which I would sell for a reasonable price. Jeff W **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 20 18:26:40 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:26:40 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup Message-ID: <13303930.1203528400259.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Kevin, DBX is level independent, so a record level calibrate through the DBX is not needed. Dolby is variable, so it must have accurate record cal. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Fetner >Sent: Feb 19, 2008 8:34 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup > >Hi All, >OK, I have this friend who has the following machines; >Teac X-2000R, Tandberg TD-20A, Tandberg TD-20A/SE, and >a Nak RX-505. He has inboard, dbx Type I on the Teac. >His query to me is that he wants to use the built-in >dbx function on the Teac. He asked on the popular tape >forums what stand alone dbx unit to buy/use on his >Tandbergs, so that all three of his R2R's would be >compatible together. The consensus was for him to buy >a dbx 150....which he did. > >I have an dbx SNR-1 and a dbx 3BX expander. I assumed >I could help him set up just one dbx unit. Well...he >sent me the Owners Manual in pdf. First of all, the >dbx folks assumed that the people who bought this unit >have at least a small recording studio. And as such, >that you have a mixing console and a 1kHz test tone >signal to feed the mixing console....thereby setting >the meters on your R2R at 0db and then the front pots >on the dbx 150 as directed etc. > >Pretty straight fwd if you have all this stuff-he >doesn't. So.....why can't he buy a test tone cassette >tape with a 1kHz signal, put it in the RX-505 and plug >it into the dbx 150 where the 'mixing console' is >suppose to go and follow the instructions? They're >straight balanced RCA inputs on the dbx unit. He's had >this dbx unit for over a yr and would like to use it >on the two Tandbergs. > >Kevin > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Looking for last minute shopping deals? >Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 20 16:06:56 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:06:56 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] 500 reel spring Message-ID: <19163653.1203520016228.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Adrian, It is a brake spring ADJUSTMENT that you need. Loosen the screw just slight= ly and slide the spring so the pointed area is exactly on the crest made by= the rib on the idler. If the pointed area falls to one side or the other t= he brakes will not engage in stop, and will pull tape in FW or RW. I hope this helps. The motor stops and starts, but never reverses. There may = be a bulletin on ebaman that shows this alignment.=20 tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Feb 21 04:13:30 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:13:30 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup Message-ID: In a message dated 2/20/2008 2:32:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: As a longtime fan of dbx, you've identified a common problem with dbx -- getting it calibrated to the deck properly. I'd recommend that you refer to a white paper i wrote on the topic. You can download the PDF at http://www.kvglabs.com/PDF/dbxnrlevels.pdf and follow the procedure described within. You'll need a test signal but don't worry about it -- you can download MP3s of pink noise for calibrating your friend's dbx at http://www.kvglabs.com/ZIP/pink.zip then use the EQ feature of your MP3 player software to filter the pink noise as described in the PDF. The filtering doesn't have to be exact, get as close as your MP3 player software allows. Hope this helps! On the subject of test tones, may I recommend adding a Nak 610 preamplifier to anyone's collection. It can generate quite a few different test tones and is a really fine component in several respects. It can hook up 4 different tape decks, and you can run 5 microphones through it. It's really one of the best preamps you can get for taping. JW **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Thu Feb 21 10:34:11 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:34:11 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes References: <31469957.1203435328465.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005c01c8746c$ea432ca0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Oh!!, OK Tom, That probably qualifies me for dumb statement of the week!!. I'd always thought 15K alignment tapes were two 15K tracks, not 1 track full width!!... and that is for about the last 25years too!! Learnt something today, so I'm happy :o) cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes Martin, The azimuth tape was recorded full width, so a track alignment problem will not show up. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Martin & Karen Short Sent: Feb 19, 2008 3:33 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes  Tim, I want to buy try one of Kermit's track alignment tapes as I believe it will be more than a very useful tool after recent personl experience.. I recently acquired an Akai GX95 that sounded OK, but not quite right if you know what I mean. I hauled out the T-100 and ran a 15K azimuth tape, and sure azimuth was out. Correcting that made the deck sound quite a bit better, but still didn't seem quite right.. treble was there but the sound stage was slightly off centre. I gave the transport and heads a really deep clean and demag, but no improvement. After a bit of pondering and in a fit of brilliance, I decided to check playback alignment using the Nak track alignment tape.. rightly or wrongly.. and sure enough, good signal on the right, none on the left, yet according to the 15K tape.. should have been OK. Had a look at the head set screws and the height adjuster still appeared to have it's thread lock intact, but not so the tilt. Adjusted the tilt for zero signal and bingo.. sound stage restored. Ran through several recordings .. all good. Not the correct use of the tape if my Nak manuals are anything to go by, but for siamese heads 3 headers seemed to work OK. I want to keep my Nak tape for 'the museum'', and one of Kermits would be a great everyday tool for all my decks, not just the Naks. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Skorick To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes Aaaa! If you're endorsing these I'll buy one now. Just email me offlist and tell me where to paypal and how much. -Tim On Feb 17, 2008 2:49 PM, Kermit Gray wrote: Hey Martin, Good to see you! Yes, I did successfully make a track alignment tape similar to the Nakamichi, but went one better -- I use a series of three tones, 50 cps, 1 k/c and 10 k/c. I haven't yet put them on the market because I've had almost no interest in them. But, I'm training a technician to make the tapes and will try offering one on eBay in a few weeks to see how things go. On Feb 17, 2008, at 4:17 AM, Martin & Karen Short wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > > Good to see you back on the forum, haven't seen you about in a > while.. hopefully you have just been busy!!. > Forgive me if for tagging onto your posting to naktalk below, but I > see you have successfully reproduced the nakamichi track alignment > tape?? > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes Hi Tim, Martin, I'd like to clarify a few things about my "replica" track alignment tape (the type with the tone between the two stereo tracks). This project began as a part of my attempt to develop my own cassette "superdeck." As part of that effort I wanted the tape as a convenient means of aligning the tape heads and as a means of evaluating tape head quality. When I first began developing the tape, I kept getting into a situation where the tape would indicate the head was aligned properly but when I would check the head visually (measuring the actual alignment) sometimes the head would not be aligned according to the physical measurement. Puzzled, I added the 50 cps and 10 kc tones to the original 1 kc tone as a means of making it more accurate. Now I ran into a different situation -- with a high quality recorder's heads I found that you could null-out the 1 kc and 10 kc tone entirely but never totally eliminate the 50 cps tone (which is predictable because of the effect of fringing). But with a low quality recorder's head I could not ever null out BOTH the 1 kc tone and the 10 kc tone; so, aligning the head for total nulling of the 10 kc tone (allowing a little bit of 1 kc leaking out) made the lower quality cassette deck sound better than aligning on the 1 kc tone; with lower quality decks I had to ignore the 50 cps tone entirely, as I could never reduce its level by very much at any alignment. Fascinating. I still on occasion found an instance where the tape and a physical measurement of head alignment would contradict. My assumption is that with those decks the manufacturer intended for a jig to be used to align the heads, not a test tape. The second issue has to do with the track height alignment standard I chose to create the tape. Because I was making the tape as part of developing my own deck, I chose the Ampex track alignment standard for both my deck AND the test tape. Why? Because this is the alignment standard chosen by many tape duplicators, and I am accustomed to using it as a result. So the test tape I am currently able to make is the Ampex standard. I've read in some places that some Nakamichi cassette decks differ from the Ampex standard as adjusted by the factory. I'm unsure if that is true, but for the sake of disclaimers I'll assume that it is true and may be the reason Nakamichi specifies using a jig with particular models for track alignment. I will tell you that I tried my test tape on my Nakamichi 500, 550 and 600 machines and it did not seem to cause a problem; in fact, despite their age, my machines were still in alignment (to my surprise). So here's the bottom line: this track alignment tape is made to Ampex standard. It will work with any deck, of course, but if the manufacturer of the deck did NOT use Ampex standard then the deck will be realigned differently than the maker's factory standard. This may or may not be a problem, you'll have to decide. Once I've clarified what if any, variance from the Ampex standard exists with Nakamichi cassette decks then I'll release a Nakamichi-specific version. The recorders I used in the evaluation program were: Nakamichi 500, 550, 600, 600-II, BX-2, 680ZX; Bang & Olufsen Beocord 9000, Beocord 2400; Marantz PMD430, Onkyo TA-RW11, Pioneer CT-F7171, CT-F7272; Revox B710 Mk. II, SAE C3D, Technics RS-B28R, RS-M205; Akai CS-M01, Sharp RT-3388A, Luxman K-5 and Yamaha TC-520. On Feb 17, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Tim Skorick wrote: Aaaa! If you're endorsing these I'll buy one now. Just email me offlist and tell me where to paypal and how much. -Tim On Feb 17, 2008 2:49 PM, Kermit Gray wrote: Hey Martin, Good to see you! Yes, I did successfully make a track alignment tape similar to the Nakamichi, but went one better -- I use a series of three tones, 50 cps, 1 k/c and 10 k/c. I haven't yet put them on the market because I've had almost no interest in them. But, I'm training a technician to make the tapes and will try offering one on eBay in a few weeks to see how things go. On Feb 17, 2008, at 4:17 AM, Martin & Karen Short wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > > Good to see you back on the forum, haven't seen you about in a > while.. hopefully you have just been busy!!. > Forgive me if for tagging onto your posting to naktalk below, but I > see you have successfully reproduced the nakamichi track alignment > tape?? > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 20 18:22:39 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:22:39 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes Message-ID: <6179288.1203528159614.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Thu Feb 21 16:30:15 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:30:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 550 - my ongoing saga. Message-ID: <8CA42B5CA929B97-1D0-21D1@webmail-nc20.sysops.aol.com> Hi Adrian Your 550 problem is in the Start Switch (designated START SW on the circuit diagram). I assume you have the service manual or a circuit diagram. If you look at page 33 of the service manual - Fig 10.2 and note how the START SW is wired. Its drawn in the stop position - note that in the stop position, the terminals of the motor have a resistor R931 (5.6 Ohm) connected across them. This is to dynamically brake the motor when the Start Switch goes from either PLAY/FF to STOP or REW to STOP. The problem in your 550 is probably the switch contacts (I have seen this on a number of occasions) but it could also be the 5.6 Ohm resistor. The test is to put an Ohmeter across the motor terminals with the 550 in the Stop Mode, and check the resistance - it should be about 5.6 Ohms - if it isn't, you don't have dynamic braking when you go to Stop. Clean and/or adjust the contacts. By the way, the motor does change direction between Play/FF and REW. For people with other members of the DT series - 500, 600, 250, 350, Thorn DCR1, Sonab C500, and others - this problem occurs also in your models - but in some of these models, there is no 5.6 Ohm resistor - just a dead short. ?So Adrian, it's not the motor - fix the switch. Tom has referred to a brake spring on the idler - I'm assuming this is the "reel hub spring". The purpose of this spring is to adjust the take up torque. Regards John Gipps Message: 4 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:40:06 +0000 From: "adrian at thegreatbear.net" Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 - my ongoing saga.. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes no luck - the motor form the scrap 600 is dead - I haven't taken it apart yet to investigate.. my original motor works well but it spins on for too long after stopping.. can anyone confirm if the motors are designed or the motor governor circuits are designed to stop the motor immediately after pressing stop from RW or FF? My motor seems to spin on until friction slows it - but every once in a while it stops quickly... thanks adrian Message: 12 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:06:56 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Tom Brucker Subject: [naktalk] 500 reel spring To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <19163653.1203520016228.JavaMail.root at elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Adrian, It is a brake spring ADJUSTMENT that you need. Loosen the screw just slight= ly and slide the spring so the pointed area is exactly on the crest made by= the rib on the idler. If the pointed area falls to one side or the other t= he brakes will not engage in stop, and will pull tape in FW or RW. I hope this helps. The motor stops and starts, but never reverses. There may = be a bulletin on ebaman that shows this alignment.=20 tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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May be I have to replace them before to start something? Thank you very much in advance! ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 21 15:37:31 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:37:31 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup Message-ID: <4639879.1203604651903.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> There is a Nakamaichi "TEST CD" on eBay right now. It is described as having test tones. I thought dbx was liner compression/ expansion with no threshold. Am I wrong? Frequency response must be flat in the bass, but otherwise IIRC the actual record/ play levels do not have to match. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Roland >Sent: Feb 20, 2008 9:19 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup > > >>Kevin, > > >The purpose of calibration tapes is to calibrate a playback >unit. Unless he could assure that the test tape calibrated the 505 >to perfection, then probably be good enough. I'm surprised that the >Tandberg doesn't have built in test tone generators. My Otari has >1khz and 10khz. > >In about three minutes of less, someone is going to come up with a >cheap test tone generator for around $50. > > > >>Pretty straight fwd if you have all this stuff-he >>doesn't. So.....why can't he buy a test tone cassette >>tape with a 1kHz signal, put it in the RX-505 and plug >>it into the dbx 150 where the 'mixing console' is >>suppose to go and follow the instructions? They're >>straight balanced RCA inputs on the dbx unit. He's had >>this dbx unit for over a yr and would like to use it >>on the two Tandbergs. >> >>Kevin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>____________________________________________________________________________________ >>Looking for last minute shopping deals? >>Find them fast with Yahoo! >>Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Feb 21 20:44:00 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:44:00 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] "Official" Head Demagnitization In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Kermit. Did you ever come across or use the Sony demagnetizer? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:04 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] "Official" Head Demagnitization Hi Fred, I had the same demagnetizer and felt it was adequate but weak, it';s comparable to the Teac E-3. I prefer the Annis Han D Mag. Nevertheless, the Nakamichi demagnetizer beats the cheap units being sold on eBay. For recommendations of tape recorder cleaning and demagnetizing, try the white paper at http://www.kvglabs.com/PDF/cleaning_and _demagnetizing.pdf -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Feb 21 20:51:32 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:51:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, Yes ... this is an AZIMUTH or track (playback) height alignment tape -- it's sole purpose is setting the tape head's physical positioning. Luis is using a stock cassette deck that is tightly calibrated, then compensating as best as possible for the error that occurs, resulting in a good tape for general purposes. My tape is made on a customized recorder with a custom-made recording head that is optimized for recording the specific test tape. The test tones are recorded BETWEEN the tracks in the part normally left blank (the "island") by the stereo recorder during normal operation. The technician sets head height when a MINIMUM (or zero) signal level is found. Luis's head height alignment tape has the test tones on both stereo tracks in the same manner as a normal stereo recording. The technician adjusts the recorder to find a MAXIMUM signal output, or a minimum phase error between the two tracks (depending on how the technician prefers to undertake head height alignment). Both approaches are equally valid, i'll leave it up to the individual technician to decide which is inherently more accurate. Personally I feel that cassette deck head height adjustment is best made with jigs specific to the recorder and that test tapes are a very close compromise. However, having the test tones between the tracks, in my experience, results in more accurate head heigh settings with greater ease than with traditional methods, furthermore, the alignment can be done by ear without test equipment and still yield good accuracy. That's why I chose to make my track (head) height alignment tape with the tones recorded between the two stereo tracks. On Feb 20, 2008, at 5:27 AM, David Thompson wrote: > Kermit > > Just wondering if you know if your approach to alignment cassettes is > similar or different to that taken by Luis Peromarta for his alignment > cassettes. > I have found his to be useful. > > For those who don't know, check here: > http://peromarta.org/naks/cal_tapes.html > > David > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Feb 21 20:54:59 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:54:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05AFF5CF-3827-424A-B656-3387B526755E@kvglabs.com> Oh absolutely right! I have a Nakamichi 610 and I'd rather die celibate than be without it. Along with its built-in test tone oscillator it has a correlator-like function that lets you set channel balance perfectly. I have uses my 610 as my monitor mixer during mastering or mixdown since 1978. On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/20/2008 2:32:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com > writes: > As a longtime fan of dbx, you've identified a common problem with dbx > -- getting it calibrated to the deck properly. I'd recommend that > you > refer to a white paper i wrote on the topic. You can download the PDF > at http://www.kvglabs.com/PDF/dbxnrlevels.pdf and follow the procedure > described within. You'll need a test signal but don't worry about it > -- you can download MP3s of pink noise for calibrating your friend's > dbx at http://www.kvglabs.com/ZIP/pink.zip then use the EQ feature of > your MP3 player software to filter the pink noise as described in the > PDF. The filtering doesn't have to be exact, get as close as your MP3 > player software allows. > > Hope this helps! > On the subject of test tones, may I recommend adding a Nak 610 > preamplifier to anyone's collection. It can generate quite a few > different test tones and is a really fine component in several > respects. It can hook up 4 different tape decks, and you can run 5 > microphones through it. It's really one of the best preamps you can > get for taping. > > JW -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Feb 21 21:09:09 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:09:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Alignment cassettes In-Reply-To: <6179288.1203528159614.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <6179288.1203528159614.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <14D7E732-4750-486B-A326-61EB11AB0FE4@kvglabs.com> Hi Tom, On Feb 20, 2008, at 11:22 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Kermit, > > In discussions with Victor Gabrenas and comparing the Ampex > standard to another standard he had there seemed to be slight > differences in guard band width on the order of 5/1000th inch. It > may be that Nakamichi increased L/R channel guard bands to improve > crosstalk. Reducing track width is the trade off, and as we all know > the Dragon suffered little for that same trick. Perhaps the change > came after the tri-tracer series? Would someone compare crosstalk > specs across the generations and comment? > Thanks to you and Victor for that information! That helps immensely! Because I used the Ampex standard to make the custom recording head, if that's correct then the recording is narrow than the space between tracks in a Nakamichi deck. That explains why I could null out the tone on Nakamichi decks but not other brands of cassette deck! Interesting! > I think the point of any track height tape is to find the minimum, > not necessarily a null. Yes 50Hz would not work as well, but one > could find the minimum and be right on alignment wise. > Good point! The directions for my tape state to find EITHER a null or a minimum. > Many Japanese manufacturers used optical microscopes to align heads. > While I don't know specifically which ones did or did not, my years > of prealigning decks before retail sale from several manufacturers > showed anecdotally that Nakamichi was the only manufacturer to > actually set each deck. Others would do things like set record level > pots at 1 o'clock, an average value. Meters were always off. Azimuth > was close, but not always right. > The service company where I worked (briefly) servicing Nakamichi decks had a Zeiss optical microscope with a built-in precision graticle. We were to use it to align Nakamichi, Sonab, Eumig, Advent and Uher decks. We used alignment tapes on other brands and model-specific head alignment jigs for Wollensak, Telex, and Recordex decks. For aligning the head height of Lyrec bin duplicators we had to use special electronic/optical measurement equipment supplied by Lyrec themselves. At that time, Nakamichi's product line was the 250, 350, 550, 600, 610, 620, 630, 700, and 1000; the 500 had just been discontinued. Remember those cool little A/D/S (or were they Braun) speakers that were available for the 250 and 350? -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Annis Han D Mag is the only demagnetizer I use and frankly the only one I recommend. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Feb 21 21:22:21 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:22:21 EST Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Help with Cassette Deck 2 Playback Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 9:41:15 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: Anyway, I checked my earlier email to Tom and I told him that the bad motor from my Cassette Deck 2 was a SHE2L and not the SHU2L. I bought two really bad condition CR-1's off fleebay and swaped the good capstan motor from one of them to my Cassette Deck 2. It fits, but, I haven't listened to or tested it to verify that it's the correct speed. The flywheel, belt and motor positions and sizes look the same between the two decks so I'm hoping it'll work. I updating my FAQ page to add the new found data on the crappy capstan motors and if the CR-1 fixes the problem I'll add that info as well. Oh, that explains it. I knew I had seen that motor in my Cassette Deck 2. The Cassette Deck 2 I owned was one I bought from Willy Hermann. He told me that he changed the drive motor before he sold it to me as the old one had poor W & F. He must have mounted a motor from the CR or BX series. There is one of these for sale on eBay right now as item number 150218174445 It's listed as a reel motor, but the guy is wrong about that. Look at the pulley. If you look the part number on Tom's parts list, you will find that it is the drive motor for the BX and CR 2 head decks. I also have a working used motor of the same part number which I would sell for half of what the one on eBay is selling for. The original wholesale price was $52 BTW. Jeff W **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Feb 21 21:24:07 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:24:07 EST Subject: [naktalk] Looking for Help with Cassette Deck 2 Playback Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:46:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Bansijeff writes: In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:43:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: The CR-1 is a great deck for Sankyo decks and these decks sell for less than this motor. AND, you get all the other parts too. Willy recently repaired a CR-4 for me with parts from a CR-1 which I got Craigslist for $25. Makes repair affordable. JW **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From modernizy at netscape.net Thu Feb 21 20:56:25 2008 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:56:25 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup References: <200802181101.m1IB0mC8005103@zxe.naks.com><122663.91782.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20080220151917.YEBX26354.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <004001c874c3$dee4a3f0$7548fea9@fwamd> Like this? http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?product_id=72-505&catalog_name=MCMProducts ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: 20 февраля 2008 г. 18:19 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup > >>Kevin, > > > The purpose of calibration tapes is to calibrate a playback unit. Unless > he could assure that the test tape calibrated the 505 to perfection, then > probably be good enough. I'm surprised that the Tandberg doesn't have > built in test tone generators. My Otari has 1khz and 10khz. > > In about three minutes of less, someone is going to come up with a cheap > test tone generator for around $50. > > > >>Pretty straight fwd if you have all this stuff-he >>doesn't. So.....why can't he buy a test tone cassette >>tape with a 1kHz signal, put it in the RX-505 and plug >>it into the dbx 150 where the 'mixing console' is >>suppose to go and follow the instructions? They're >>straight balanced RCA inputs on the dbx unit. He's had >>this dbx unit for over a yr and would like to use it >>on the two Tandbergs. >> >>Kevin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >>Looking for last minute shopping deals? >>Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. >>http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From adrian at thegreatbear.net Fri Feb 22 01:16:29 2008 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:16:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 550 - my ongoing saga. In-Reply-To: <16140041.1203629040582.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16140041.1203629040582.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1B1F7C61-EBF4-4DDA-955C-2384CC080099@thegreatbear.net> thanks for all the advice - my terminology may have confused the issue slightly - the contacts are not bent and i cleaned them up, there was a little grease on them, but I still get the motor running on after mode changes and the subsequent slight reverse reel movement and tape spill... I don't have 5.6 ohms though across the motor so I'll replace the resistor and post back.. thanks again adrian On 21 Feb 2008, at 21:24, Tom Brucker wrote: > Ahhh the multi fingered gold switch. Makes sense. Perhaps one > contact is bent? > > I was not referring to the reel spring, which is on the reel itself, > but the part that has 2 brake pads and is pushed up and down as the > idler moves from neutral to FF or RW. The brake pads are beneath the > reel hubs. SJ is almost finished with the service bulletin scans. I > will post the bulleting number ASAP. > > tom brucker > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: johngipps at aol.com > Sent: Feb 21, 2008 9:30 AM > To: adrian at thegreatbear.net, naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 550 - my ongoing saga. > > Hi Adrian > > Your 550 problem is in the Start Switch (designated START SW on the > circuit diagram). I assume you have the service manual or a circuit > diagram. If you look at page 33 of the service manual - Fig 10.2 and > note how the START SW is wired. Its drawn in the stop position - > note that in the stop position, the terminals of the motor have a > resistor R931 (5.6 Ohm) connected across them. This is to > dynamically brake the motor when the Start Switch goes from either > PLAY/FF to STOP or REW to STOP. The problem in your 550 is probably > the switch contacts (I have seen this on a number of occasions) but > it could also be the 5.6 Ohm resistor. The test is to put an Ohmeter > across the motor terminals with the 550 in the Stop Mode, and check > the resistance - it should be about 5.6 Ohms - if it isn't, you > don't have dynamic braking when you go to Stop. Clean and/or adjust > the contacts. By the way, the motor does change direction between > Play/FF and REW. > > For people with other members of the DT series - 500, 600, 250, 350, > Thorn DCR1, Sonab C500, and others - this problem occurs also in > your models - but in some of these models, there is no 5.6 Ohm > resistor - just a dead short. > > So Adrian, it's not the motor - fix the switch. Tom has referred to > a brake spring on the idler - I'm assuming this is the "reel hub > spring". The purpose of this spring is to adjust the take up torque. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > > Message: 4 > > > > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:40:06 +0000 > > > > From: "adrian at thegreatbear.net" > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 - my ongoing saga.. > > > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > > > > > > no luck - the motor form the scrap 600 is dead - I haven't taken it > > > > apart yet to investigate.. > > > > > > > > my original motor works well but it spins on for too long after > > > > stopping.. > > > > > > > > can anyone confirm if the motors are designed or the motor governor > > > > circuits are designed to stop the motor immediately after pressing > > > > stop from RW or FF? My motor seems to spin on until friction slows > > > > it - but every once in a while it stops quickly... > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > adrian > > > > > > Message: 12 > > Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:06:56 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > > From: Tom Brucker > > Subject: [naktalk] 500 reel spring > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: > > <19163653.1203520016228.JavaMail.root at elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Adrian, > > It is a brake spring ADJUSTMENT that you need. Loosen the screw just > slight= > > ly and slide the spring so the pointed area is exactly on the crest > made by= > > the rib on the idler. If the pointed area falls to one side or the > other t= > > he brakes will not engage in stop, and will pull tape in FW or RW. I > > hope this helps. The motor stops and starts, but never reverses. > There may = > > be a bulletin on ebaman that shows this alignment.=20 > > > > tom brucker > > > > > > > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > 615-331-9241 > > > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail! > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 From danbarham at aol.com Fri Feb 22 03:47:41 2008 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:47:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Recent gauges sale Message-ID: <8CA43146D56560F-1504-2181@WEBMAIL-MC09.sysops.aol.com> Folks, I'm sure many of you were watching the recent sale of the five gauges for sale on eBay, as I was. I knew they would go for a ludicrous price but $1281???! I really lost hope that I will ever aquire any of these unobtanium pieces. Unless you happen to come across the going out of business repair center, chances are slimmer than slim. It just goes to show the demand for these is real. I subscribe to the Nak Gauges list but progress has been slow. No disrespect to those involved as I know this is a monumental undertaking. I know there was talk of a loaner set before, has that happened? I?guess I'm just venting. My frustration and disappointment with the rarity of these damn gauges is sure disheartening. Sorry for the rant. Dan Barham Bummed out in Chicagoland ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From modernizy at netscape.net Thu Feb 21 20:56:25 2008 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:56:25 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup References: <200802181101.m1IB0mC8005103@zxe.naks.com><122663.91782.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20080220151917.YEBX26354.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <004001c874c3$dee4a3f0$7548fea9@fwamd> Like this? http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?product_id=72-505&catalog_name=MCMProducts ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: 20 февраля 2008 г. 18:19 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup > >>Kevin, > > > The purpose of calibration tapes is to calibrate a playback unit. Unless > he could assure that the test tape calibrated the 505 to perfection, then > probably be good enough. I'm surprised that the Tandberg doesn't have > built in test tone generators. My Otari has 1khz and 10khz. > > In about three minutes of less, someone is going to come up with a cheap > test tone generator for around $50. > > > >>Pretty straight fwd if you have all this stuff-he >>doesn't. So.....why can't he buy a test tone cassette >>tape with a 1kHz signal, put it in the RX-505 and plug >>it into the dbx 150 where the 'mixing console' is >>suppose to go and follow the instructions? They're >>straight balanced RCA inputs on the dbx unit. He's had >>this dbx unit for over a yr and would like to use it >>on the two Tandbergs. >> >>Kevin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >>Looking for last minute shopping deals? >>Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. >>http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Feb 22 09:14:19 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:14:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup In-Reply-To: <004001c874c3$dee4a3f0$7548fea9@fwamd> References: <200802181101.m1IB0mC8005103@zxe.naks.com><122663.91782.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20080220151917.YEBX26354.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <004001c874c3$dee4a3f0$7548fea9@fwamd> Message-ID: <1E9EC8D2-FAC4-4EF3-9DF8-D58FD7292D9F@kvglabs.com> Aligning a dbx with a steady tone isn't as accurate as using shaped pink noise. That's why I recommended in an earlier message on this topic to download the pink noise MP3 then filter it in MP3 player software, make a CD with your burner. When dbx repro and record levels are not the same they dbx has a tendency to "pump" and surge, causing a roughness to the sound. Correctly aligned dbx noise reductions can be incredibly transparent sounding. In the mid-1970s I used dbx with my multitrack recorder and had difficulty getting session-to-session consistency. That led me to research the issue and develop the alignment method that was described in the white paper I linked to in a previous message. The procedure let me get the most out of a dbx as well as session-to-session consistency, even with different decks and different studios. By 1978, I was able to wring 100 dB dynamic range from 15 ips recorders using the alignment method. When the digital recorder salesmen came in the early 1980s and tried to impress me with their 90 dB dynamic range, I told them I wasn't interest in converting to a machine that had less dynamic range than what I was already using. On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:56 PM, modernizy at netscape.net wrote: > Like this? > > http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?product_id=72-505&catalog_name=MCMProducts > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: 20 февраля 2008 г. 18:19 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup > > >> >>> Kevin, >> >> >> The purpose of calibration tapes is to calibrate a playback unit. >> Unless he could assure that the test tape calibrated the 505 to >> perfection, then probably be good enough. I'm surprised that the >> Tandberg doesn't have built in test tone generators. My Otari has >> 1khz and 10khz. >> >> In about three minutes of less, someone is going to come up with a >> cheap test tone generator for around $50. >> >> >> >>> Pretty straight fwd if you have all this stuff-he >>> doesn't. So.....why can't he buy a test tone cassette >>> tape with a 1kHz signal, put it in the RX-505 and plug >>> it into the dbx 150 where the 'mixing console' is >>> suppose to go and follow the instructions? They're >>> straight balanced RCA inputs on the dbx unit. He's had >>> this dbx unit for over a yr and would like to use it >>> on the two Tandbergs. >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >>> Looking for last minute shopping deals? >>> Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Feb 22 09:08:37 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:08:37 EST Subject: [naktalk] Recent gauges sale Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:56:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, danbarham at aol.com writes: Folks, I'm sure many of you were watching the recent sale of the five gauges for sale on eBay, as I was. I knew they would go for a ludicrous price but $1281???! Wasn't that Andy who bought them? JW **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Feb 22 15:07:26 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:07:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] demag In-Reply-To: <007501c874c7$e03fca50$0200a8c0@n4j0rowm1tvqcm> References: <007501c874c7$e03fca50$0200a8c0@n4j0rowm1tvqcm> Message-ID: Hello David, I live in israel & 2 decades ago i ordered directly from the manufacture a 240 volts unit...since then I'm extremely happy with it...My "tip"....order one with a longer "Tip"...as the normal one are designed for "Reel to Reel" units...for mostly of the Nakamichi & other cassette deck brands better one with a longer "Tip"...designed for such "Vintage" car magazines...forgot their name...sorry. Here is the "Sales" link! http://www.maginst.com/contact_sales.html Good luck! Alex! From: david.dixon at mypostoffice.co.ukTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:25:18 +0000Subject: [naktalk] demag hello. it appears the best demagnetizer is the annis han d mag. i cannot find a supplier in england. does anyone know anywhere in europe where i could obtain a240 volt model? the manufactures web site is not very helpfull. failing this can any one recomend a decent model that can be obtained in england? thank you david.d _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Feb 22 16:05:00 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:05:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup Message-ID: <20080222150518.HHNJ19740.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Ha, ha, ha! That's the baby! -----Original Message----- From: modernizy at netscape.net Subj: Re: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup Date: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:56 am Size: 2K To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Like this? http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?product_id=72-505&catalog_name=MCMProducts ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: 20 2008 . 18:19 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup > >>Kevin, > > > The purpose of calibration tapes is to calibrate a playback unit. Unless > he could assure that the test tape calibrated the 505 to perfection, then > probably be good enough. I'm surprised that the Tandberg doesn't have > built in test tone generators. My Otari has 1khz and 10khz. > > In about three minutes of less, someone is going to come up with a cheap > test tone generator for around $50. > > > >>Pretty straight fwd if you have all this stuff-he >>doesn't. So.....why can't he buy a test tone cassette >>tape with a 1kHz signal, put it in the RX-505 and plug >>it into the dbx 150 where the 'mixing console' is >>suppose to go and follow the instructions? They're >>straight balanced RCA inputs on the dbx unit. He's had >>this dbx unit for over a yr and would like to use it >>on the two Tandbergs. >> >>Kevin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >>Looking for last minute shopping deals? >>Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. >>http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------========= --- message truncated --- From koman56 at otenet.gr Fri Feb 22 16:07:40 2008 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel T. Komninos) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:07:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] demag In-Reply-To: <007501c874c7$e03fca50$0200a8c0@n4j0rowm1tvqcm> References: <007501c874c7$e03fca50$0200a8c0@n4j0rowm1tvqcm> Message-ID: <47BEE53C.508@otenet.gr> H there David Have been doing a little bit of research myself and come out with "JRF magnetics science" store who would ship overseas the 220V version of the Hand D mag 115S. Just send your request to jrf at goes.com and he will get back to you on Monday with price and shipping quote, as he will do for me! Hope that helps Manos O/H david.dixon at mypostoffice.co.uk ??????: > hello. it appears the best demagnetizer is the annis han d mag. i > cannot find a supplier in england. does anyone know anywhere in europe > where i could obtain a240 volt model? the manufactures web site is not > very helpfull. failing this can any one recomend a decent model that > can be obtained in england? thank you david.d > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Fri Feb 22 17:23:20 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:23:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 550 - my ongoing saga Message-ID: <8CA43865FAB8EE0-60C-1821@WEBMAIL-DC13.sysops.aol.com> Hi Adrian It must be 15 years since I've actually worked on a DT series deck, but I seem to remember that after cleaning the contacts, I used to have to bend them just a little to make them close in the stop position. It seemed that over a long period of use, and being bent to open in all modes except "stop", they lost some of the spring force required for a reliable low "stop" mode closure. In any event, you just need to keep troubleshooting that little start switch circuit until you get a reliable low resistance reading in "stop" over the motor terminals. Regards John Gipps Message: 17 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:16:29 +0000 From: "adrian at thegreatbear.net" Subject: Re: [naktalk] 550 - my ongoing saga. To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <1B1F7C61-EBF4-4DDA-955C-2384CC080099 at thegreatbear.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes thanks for all the advice - my terminology may have confused the issue slightly - the contacts are not bent and i cleaned them up, there was a little grease on them, but I still get the motor running on after mode changes and the subsequent slight reverse reel movement and tape spill... I don't have 5.6 ohms though across the motor so I'll replace the resistor and post back.. thanks again adrian On 21 Feb 2008, at 21:24, Tom Brucker wrote: > Ahhh the multi fingered gold switch. Makes sense. Perhaps one > contact is bent? > > I was not referring to the reel spring, which is on the reel itself, > but the part that has 2 brake pads and is pushed up and down as the > idler moves from neutral to FF or RW. The brake pads are beneath the > reel hubs. SJ is almost finished with the service bulletin scans. I > will post the bulleting number ASAP. > > tom brucker ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Feb 23 08:04:57 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:04:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Parts for 500 Message-ID: <9025BC63-8CE8-4E6F-899B-A61B57EB9571@kvglabs.com> Hello fellow Naktalkers, I'm looking for some replacement parts for my groovy top-loader Nakamichi 500: Part Number B-7054 100k Ohm volume slider (two needed) Part Number B-7015 50k Ohm volume slider (two needed) Part Number B-7055 50k Ohm volume slider (one needed) I can find new slider potentiometers, but none with the correct dimensions and terminal pin placements. Does anyone have any NOS replacements or know of a new production part that would work? Man, I just have to get the wonderful old top loader running again ... I've always enjoyed top loaders. If I can't get it running then the only other top loader I have that runs is a Pioneer CT-4141. Although I guess the 550 is also a top loader, depending on if it's lying down or being carried. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 23:24:07 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:24:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Recent gauges sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <57941.66478.qm@web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes Andy is the buyer- cogratulations to Andy Andy manages by sheer brute force bidding - wish him all the luck and hope one day he would be willing to lend me some of these gauges if I need them! Please note that I paid over 500+ $ for one head tilt check gauge from Nak about 6 years back. that is the price and I reached me after I spent another 250$ plus to get it to India! Most of these gauges cost a lot from Nakamichi - infact I posted the cost at that time in Naktalk post. Stephen commented that I got a cheaper quote than US Naks parts department. If you worked with gages for a machine shop you will know that gages are very expensive always as they are few and they are precise tools. I will not be surprised if the price from Nak gauge project ends up with high price as the takers will be very small and cost will be based on the qty of manufacture. Only hope is that the gauges will be atlast available for purchase. Also remember that somebody in Bulgaria will be able to tune his naks if necessary at his home without needing to send over to Willy Herman or Eslabs! kannan Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:56:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, danbarham at aol.com writes: Folks, I'm sure many of you were watching the recent sale of the five gauges for sale on eBay, as I was. I knew they would go for a ludicrous price but $1281???! Wasn't that Andy who bought them? JW --------------------------------- Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Sat Feb 23 07:41:10 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:41:10 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Recent gauges sale References: <8CA43146D56560F-1504-2181@WEBMAIL-MC09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <007c01c875e7$13582ca0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Dan, Yes, that was a crazy price especially for what I consider to be a very mixed bag of gauges.... a couple of 'sankyo' gauges, a couple of 'classics', and one I wasn't sure about... the DA9038.... but not a 'set' as such and of limited value as is... so don't feel too bummed!! With regards to 'loaner' sets...I used to loan mine out but it was increasingly a hassle to get them back and on the last ' loan', I had to personally go and reposess them.. my DA09091 was damaged and a couple of others had some slight surface rust.. so now I don't!! Best option would be for a bunch of you 'stateside' to club together, pool resources, and get your own 'group' loaner set. Obtaining a full set of classic or sankyo gauges/jigs is likely now out of the financial range of most of us as individuals. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: danbarham at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com ; nakgauges-request at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: [naktalk] Recent gauges sale Folks, I'm sure many of you were watching the recent sale of the five gauges for sale on eBay, as I was. I knew they would go for a ludicrous price but $1281???! I really lost hope that I will ever aquire any of these unobtanium pieces. Unless you happen to come across the going out of business repair center, chances are slimmer than slim. It just goes to show the demand for these is real. I subscribe to the Nak Gauges list but progress has been slow. No disrespect to those involved as I know this is a monumental undertaking. I know there was talk of a loaner set before, has that happened? I guess I'm just venting. My frustration and disappointment with the rarity of these damn gauges is sure disheartening. Sorry for the rant. Dan Barham Bummed out in Chicagoland ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Feb 23 13:40:22 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:40:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Recent gauges sale Message-ID: <022320081240.9199.47C01436000A1788000023EF22120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:56:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, danbarham at aol.com writes: Folks, I'm sure many of you were watching the recent sale of the five gauges for sale on eBay, as I was. I knew they would go for a ludicrous price but $1281???! Wasn't that Andy who bought them? Guilty as charged, Jeff. Call me Mr. Ludicrous. Actually, I can somewhat justify the price I paid by saying that I already have one of the gauges in the auction--the DA09088 EH Tilt Check Gauge. When these gauges are in hand, I plan to make that extra gauge available for sale to Naktalk members first (best offer). If there isn't sufficient interest, then I'll put it on eBay. Either way, I'll recoup a bit of my money. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Feb 23 13:46:51 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:46:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi "Mistake"? Message-ID: <022320081246.17635.47C015BB000955D3000044E322120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Has anyone else ever seen apparent Nakamichi "mistakes" like this? Read the item description and look at the photos. I would have liked to have this deck! http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-3A-Cassette-Deck_W0QQitemZ180214658612QQihZ008QQcategoryZ71574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Feb 23 16:50:17 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:50:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak and dbx setup In-Reply-To: <200802231102.m1NB0Snj023157@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <6693.16205.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Thanks All for all the information on test tones and the dbx set-up! The link to the paper about this was great. I think that cheap tone generator is the way to go...surely I can use it for other things as well and I don't mind buying it for my friend-we can share it. No, Tandberg doesn't have any built in tone generators...it IS curious. I own three of them now...not bragging as owning a Tandberg anything is an exercise in futility and supporting 'unobtanium' in audio.;-) Kevin > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:05:00 -0500 > From: "Roland" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: > > <20080222150518.HHNJ19740.eastrmmtao102.cox.net at eastrmimpo03.cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > > Ha, ha, ha! That's the baby! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: modernizy at netscape.net > Subj: Re: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup > Date: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:56 am > Size: 2K > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Like this? > > http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?product_id=72-505&catalog_name=MCMProducts > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: 20 2008 . 18:19 > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup > > > > > >>Kevin, > > > > > > The purpose of calibration tapes is to calibrate a > playback unit. Unless > > he could assure that the test tape calibrated the > 505 to perfection, then > > probably be good enough. I'm surprised that the > Tandberg doesn't have > > built in test tone generators. My Otari has 1khz > and 10khz. > > > > In about three minutes of less, someone is going > to come up with a cheap > > test tone generator for around $50. > > > > > > > >>Pretty straight fwd if you have all this stuff-he > >>doesn't. So.....why can't he buy a test tone > cassette > >>tape with a 1kHz signal, put it in the RX-505 and > plug > >>it into the dbx 150 where the 'mixing console' is > >>suppose to go and follow the instructions? They're > >>straight balanced RCA inputs on the dbx unit. He's > had > >>this dbx unit for over a yr and would like to use > it > >>on the two Tandbergs. > >> > >>Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From rich_121 at msn.com Sat Feb 23 18:18:25 2008 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:18:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] "what do i have to pay for a decent Dragon these days" Message-ID: Hello Norman, If I ever get my Dragon back from Tom Buckner I would sell it to you, price depending on what Tom is going to charge me for having it in his shop for OVER 1 YEAR!!!!! I really wanted to get into the Nak hobby, I was really excited when I sent my Dragon off to get all the new belts, new door light and tune-up, plus what ever else it needed. I spent lots of $$ and time searching for the best cassette tape, hours and hours I spent researching and buying...I anxiously waited for the first couple months before realizing, that Tom does not do what he says he will... I have asked him many times for an estimate, both time wise and $$ amount, I was promised one in the beginning, then again later on... I have not gotten that nor much anything else from Tom. He has worked on many, many other decks that he has recieved since mine, and just lets mine sit... I don't know why he does this, as I have written many many MANY MANY emails asking WHEN WILL MY DRAGON BE DONE?????? After the first 6 months, I realized I wasn't going to get my Dragon back anytime soon, if at all..... as I had talked with others here, and Tom was working on their decks and not mine... each time I would contact him, he gave me some other lame excuse as to why it was not done... I used to love reading Naktalk everyday, I read each post with enthusiasm... but, the past few months, I find myself getting upset just from reading from this forum, reading about other Dragons, other decks that are enjoyed... knowing, when I get mine, I will sell it, as the expierence has left a very very bad taste in my mouth...if this is all I can expect from a "proffessional", then, I will sell the Dragon, as I can't see a reason in keeping it if it takes that long to get service. How Tom has any credibility as a service tech, I don't know, as he has a long ways to go to prove to me he has the physical capacity to properly "fix" a deck. Tom, I know this rant will probably really piss you off, but, you really need to think about it, as it is long over due and very well diserved..... I'm done... Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anthony -----Original Message----- From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net To: Bansijeff at aol.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 7:40 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recent gauges sale In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:56:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, danbarham at aol.com writes: Folks, I'm sure many of you were watching the recent sale of the five gauges for sale on eBay, as I was. I knew they would go for a ludicrous price but $1281???! Wasn't that Andy who bought them? Guilty as charged, Jeff. Call me Mr. Ludicrous. Actually, I can somewhat justify the price I paid by saying that I already have one of the gauges in the auction--the DA09088 EH Tilt Check Gauge. When these gauges are in hand, I plan to make that extra gauge available for sale to Naktalk members first (best offer). If there isn't sufficient interest, then I'll put it on eBay. Either way, I'll recoup a bit of my money. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail ! - http://webmail.aim.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Feb 24 02:16:37 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:16:37 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi "Mistake"? Message-ID: In a message dated 2/23/2008 4:56:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: Has anyone else ever seen apparent Nakamichi "mistakes" like this? Read the item description and look at the photos. I would have liked to have this deck! The face of the CR 1-2-3-4 decks is an easily detachable metal piece which goes over the plastic face beneath it. If the original face was beat-up, another face could have been installed. Jeff W **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Feb 24 02:18:55 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:18:55 EST Subject: [naktalk] "what do i have to pay for a decent Dragon these days" Message-ID: In a message dated 2/23/2008 5:11:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rich_121 at msn.com writes: How Tom has any credibility as a service tech, I don't know, as he has a long ways to go to prove to me he has the physical capacity to properly "fix" a deck. Tom, I know this rant will probably really piss you off, but, you really need to think about it, as it is long over due and very well diserved..... Maybe he doesn't have exactly the right parts and is trying to get a parts deck. I know he tried bidding on a couple on eBay. Jeff W **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk Sun Feb 24 12:20:09 2008 From: dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk (Dave Bowley) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:20:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pricing list In-Reply-To: <8CA449673F35745-CFC-1860@MBLK-M07.sysops.aol.com> References: <022320081240.9199.47C01436000A1788000023EF22120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8CA449673F35745-CFC-1860@MBLK-M07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Anthony TRy http://www.vintagecassette.com/Nakamichi for prices/photos & feature summaries Regards dave To: naktalk at naks.comDate: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:50:58 -0500From: badanth at aim.comSubject: [naktalk] Naks.com pricing listIt's been a long time since I've ventured on the naks.com site and I could have sworn there used to be a list of recent sale prices. Can someone point me in the right direction? Also, I can't seem to log into the archives with my old password and email address. Can someone please shed some light?Thanks for any help you can provide.Anthony-----Original Message-----From: hwbosshoss at comcast.netTo: Bansijeff at aol.comCc: naktalk at naks.comSent: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 7:40 amSubject: Re: [naktalk] Recent gauges sale In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:56:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, danbarham at aol.com writes: Folks, I'm sure many of you were watching the recent sale of the five gauges for sale on eBay, as I was. I knew they would go for a ludicrous price but $1281???! Wasn't that Andy who bought them? Guilty as charged, Jeff. Call me Mr. Ludicrous. Actually, I can somewhat justify the price I paid by saying that I already have one of the gauges in the auction--the DA09088 EH Tilt Check Gauge. When these gauges are in hand, I plan to make that extra gauge available for sale to Naktalk members first (best offer). If there isn't sufficient interest, then I'll put it on eBay. Either way, I'll recoup a bit of my money. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail! _________________________________________________________________ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sun Feb 24 12:20:24 2008 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:20:24 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Not Nakamichi Ebay hype Message-ID: How about this for a con listing! http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nakamichi-No-Pioneer-CT-F1250-high-end-classic_W0QQit emZ200202422995QQihZ010QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Is the machine any good? David From theshorty at bigpond.com Sun Feb 24 12:30:56 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:30:56 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi "Mistake"? References: <022320081246.17635.47C015BB000955D3000044E322120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002f01c876d8$b8bb8650$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Andy, Could be: 1) a mix up during production.. not so likely 2) deliberate if Nakamichi were using up all parts during a model run out.. possible 3) replacement panel to repair transit/handling damage... possible... The smaller CR's seem very prone to corner damage.. the panel alloy seems very soft. Back in my Audio retail days, we used to have to replace the odd front panel 'in store' and the replacement panel was often what was on hand at the supplier/importer or a later edition..hence some subtley different models out there! Regardless..that CR3/3A went for a good price..someone got a bargain.. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi "Mistake"? > > Has anyone else ever seen apparent Nakamichi "mistakes" like this? > > Read the item description and look at the photos. > > I would have liked to have this deck! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-3A-Cassette-Deck_W0QQitemZ180214658612QQihZ008QQcategoryZ71574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > *andy* > > From JPPiano at aol.com Sun Feb 24 13:04:15 2008 From: JPPiano at aol.com (JPPiano at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 07:04:15 EST Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Versions Message-ID: Hi, All I have a chance to get a Dragon, and my tech tells me that there was a later version that was not as good as the original; does anyone know any more about this or can clarify? Thanks a lot! Joe P. ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. 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The CT-F1250 is tacitly inferior in all respects compared to any Nakamichi, including the very final models of Nak, but in fairness if you never heard a Nakamichi for real and compared the CT-1250 to Teac, Technics, Sony, B*I*C, Akai, Sansui, Onkyo, Sharp, Sankyo, Luxman or Marantz then the CT-1250 would impress you and was a bargain compared to may of the other brands. It was quiet, had moderately low THD, good imaging, and a sense of good bass and clean treble. The sound was slightly bright compared to other decks, a nice change from the dull treble of older Pioneer models. The noise floor was more apparent than a Nak because the CT-1250 had more treble in its noise floor; the CT-1250 did have excellent flutter-and-wow, though. Pioneer had a nice head trip going with their FL bargraph meters -- they would light two adjacent segments at the same time to create the optical illusion the meter was faster and more accurate than it really was. Do you know what retailers during the 1970s and early 1980s called Pioneer? "Cryin' Ear." 'Nuf said! On Feb 24, 2008, at 5:20 AM, David Thompson wrote: > How about this for a con listing! > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nakamichi-No-Pioneer-CT-F1250-high-end-classic_W0QQit > emZ200202422995QQihZ010QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > Is the machine any good? > > David > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From rjpoint at sasktel.net Sun Feb 24 15:55:07 2008 From: rjpoint at sasktel.net (Raymond Point) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 07:55:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Decks For Sale/CR7A Upgrade? Message-ID: <12513e804853.47c122db@sasktel.net> I have been searching e-bay and other sites trying to find fully functional decks for home use and have settled on a Dragon, CR7A & a RX-505. All of them are fully functional and pleasing to the eye. I was on a bit of an uncontrolled buying spree, probably as a result of not being able to afford these models in my younger days! As a result, I have the following decks that I would like to offer up for sale to the forum before placing them on e-bay: BX-300 -Clean and calibrated -All belts & idler tire replaced by merely-a-man -Comes w/RM-200 remote control -Very clean cosmetics (Pics available if interested) LX-5 -Clean cosmetics -Fully functional\ -Servicing is unknown at this point but all functions are working Dragon -Clean cosmetics -Adapter plug for azimuth testing unit (Pics available upon request) -Comes w/Azimuth Tester -Fully functional unit operating in my home setup currently All of these unit were purchased off of E-Bay and you can search past auctions as see what I paid for them. My user name is rjpoint at sasktel.net. I'm open to offers and by no means am I looking for what I paid for them. I have enjoyed the forum and received some valuable information of the past couple of months and I thank you all. Quick question for anyone...Does anyone know what serial # and above that doesn't require the output upgrade on the CR7A's? Thanks---RJ From badanth at aim.com Sun Feb 24 14:32:39 2008 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 08:32:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pricing list In-Reply-To: References: <022320081240.9199.47C01436000A1788000023EF22120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8CA449673F35745-CFC-1860@MBLK-M07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA4500DBF70A58-F70-16AB@WEBMAIL-DC19.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Dave, but I'm looking for the list of prices Naks are selling for and I didn't see that on that site. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: Dave Bowley To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 6:20 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.com pricing list Anthony ? TRy http://www.vintagecassette.com/Nakamichi for prices/photos & feature summaries ? Regards dave To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:50:58 -0500 From: badanth at aim.com Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pricing list It's been a long time since I've ventured on the naks.com site and I could have sworn there used to be a list of recent sale prices. Can someone point me in the right direction? Also, I can't seem to log into the archives with my old password and email address. Can someone please shed some light? Thanks for any help you can provide. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net To: Bansijeff at aol.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 7:40 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recent gauges sale In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:56:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, danbarham at aol.com writes: Folks, I'm sure many of you were watching the recent sale of the five gauges for sale on eBay, as I was. I knew they would go for a ludicrous price but $1281???! Wasn't that Andy who bought them? Guilty as charged, Jeff. Call me Mr. Ludicrous. Actually, I can somewhat justify the price I paid by saying that I already have one of the gauges in the auction--the DA09088 EH Tilt Check Gauge. When these gauges are in hand, I plan to make that extra gauge available for sale to Naktalk members first (best offer). If there isn't sufficient interest, then I'll put it on eBay. Either way, I'll recoup a bit of my money. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail! Sounds like? How many syllables? 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URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Sun Feb 24 14:59:27 2008 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:59:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Versions References: Message-ID: <002501c876ed$78902b20$0201a8c0@home> I seem to remember that the first run of the Dragons had big problems with the auto set up system which they revised (new mechs to some customers)!! + a fair amount of electrical mods(fouror five pages of service updates!!, knowing Nakamichi would not think that later ones would be worse unless it was right at the end of the production run, and even then doubtful...... More likely to be poor and hamfisted servicing !!! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: JPPiano at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Versions Hi, All I have a chance to get a Dragon, and my tech tells me that there was a later version that was not as good as the original; does anyone know any more about this or can clarify? Thanks a lot! Joe P. ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. 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(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Feb 24 17:05:31 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:05:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Not Nakamichi Ebay hype In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47C195CB.3090101@rcn.com> Actually, this is not a 'con listing'. The seller is openly selling a Pioneer deck. He put 'Nakamichi' in the title so it would appear in searches for Nak decks. A ruse, maybe, but not a con. And yea, the CT-F1250 is a nice deck. Somehow doesn't sound quite as good as, say, a CR-7, but still, nice. -- Ron David Thompson wrote: > How about this for a con listing! > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nakamichi-No-Pioneer-CT-F1250-high-end-classic_W0QQit > emZ200202422995QQihZ010QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > Is the machine any good? > > David From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 18:11:58 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:11:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak repair In-Reply-To: <200802221102.m1MB0hWC023717@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <777151.55143.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hey All, I just want to toot someone's horn here. I don't think it's against the rules as I'm not selling anything or have any financial connection with this person-or was I asked to do this. *andy* here (as he sigs himself), has fixed two cassette decks for me. Now I know there are some world-class Nak techs here and I'm not disputing that at all. However, most of you have pretty lengthy turnaround times as well, because you ARE good techs, or have other full time jobs. What I CAN tell anyone interested in Nak repair is that *andy* here, is the real deal. Not only is he gifted in repair analysis, but he goes the extra distance to make sure your cassette deck tests out perfectly and he's gone through it for faults. I sent him a 'voodoo' RX-505 that really was possessed and hammed by previous owners. He had it figured out and working perfectly in about a week. I sent him a Pioneer CT-F900 that was supposedly *fixed* by an old-world tech in Utah that had advertised Pioneer repair on ebay and yet it was recording poorly. That guy was nothing more than a crook and I waited over six months to get fleeced. *andy* got to the root of that deck's problem in short order. We've corresponded a lot and I consider him my friend as well. His charges are extremely reasonable and he's 'old school' professional in every way. His turnaround time is short and he should be considered by all here for your Nak problem cases or just to tune up/calibrate-whatever. Plus, he's a very personable, likable guy as well and passionate about Naks. I don't mind trying to fix stuff myself (I support the spirit of that always), but honestly with his charges and his expertise, you can't go wrong. He's located in GA (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) and please don't use him just for free advice-that's what naktalk is for.;-) Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Feb 24 18:24:51 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:24:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak and dbx setup In-Reply-To: <200802221102.m1MB0hWC023717@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <971906.76030.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit, I wasn't ignoring your response and I DO appreciate it! I have your paper filed and read it a couple of times. Your link to the mp3 test tones and software didn't work, but I'm sure I can google it. I have two problems in this; one, I don't have the dbx 150 in front of me and two, I'm relaying all this to a friend who lives back east. So....I'm trying to find the easiest way to do this AND the simplest explainable method-but first, 'I' have to understand what I'm therefore trying to explain to him. Since I'm just an observer in all this, it's not easy for me. For example, his first question was, "Why pink noise?"...now you've explained it. So....I think the 'easiest way' is for me to burn the shaped pink noise CD (after finding the correct link) and then send him that, will full instructions as I understand them. Kevin > > Message: 20 > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 02:14:19 -0600 > From: Kermit Gray > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak and dbx setup > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: > <1E9EC8D2-FAC4-4EF3-9DF8-D58FD7292D9F at kvglabs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; > format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Aligning a dbx with a steady tone isn't as accurate > as using shaped > pink noise. That's why I recommended in an earlier > message on this > topic to download the pink noise MP3 then filter it > in MP3 player > software, make a CD with your burner. When dbx repro > and record levels > are not the same they dbx has a tendency to "pump" > and surge, causing > a roughness to the sound. Correctly aligned dbx > noise reductions can > be incredibly transparent sounding. > > In the mid-1970s I used dbx with my multitrack > recorder and had > difficulty getting session-to-session consistency. > That led me to > research the issue and develop the alignment method > that was described > in the white paper I linked to in a previous > message. The procedure > let me get the most out of a dbx as well as > session-to-session > consistency, even with different decks and different > studios. By > 1978, I was able to wring 100 dB dynamic range from > 15 ips recorders > using the alignment method. > > When the digital recorder salesmen came in the early > 1980s and tried > to impress me with their 90 dB dynamic range, I told > them I wasn't > interest in converting to a machine that had less > dynamic range than > what I was already using. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sun Feb 24 18:37:52 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:37:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon issue Message-ID: <000601c8770b$fd04e080$6407a8c0@sonylaptop> My beloved Dragon has a operational issue. Any time play and, rewind is selected it stops. However if reverse play or ff is used it functions normally. If I quickly tap the rewind it will stay. Also I can hear the audio signal briefly during foward play before it quickly stops. I have cleaned and checked the PCB boards, however this may be a logic issue. Is there a default I can use to reset the decks protocols. The cam motor adjusts and the idler is operating OK as well. I have the serv. manual but I hoped someone here might have better insight. regards, dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Mon Feb 25 02:57:07 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:57:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Not Nakamichi Ebay hype In-Reply-To: <47C195CB.3090101@rcn.com> References: <47C195CB.3090101@rcn.com> Message-ID: Actually, Ron, in the context that Dave meant a "con" is a swindle. One synonym for swindle is "ruse" according to my Roget's Thesaurus. So, yes, Dave is right in the sense that putting "Nakamichi" in the listing for a Pioneer to snag persons searching for Nakamichi decks into seeing the Pioneer deck is a con. It's a listing practice too many eBay sellers use. I try to never bid on an item listed in that manner. On Feb 24, 2008, at 10:05 AM, Ron wrote: > > Actually, this is not a 'con listing'. The seller is > openly selling a Pioneer deck. He put 'Nakamichi' in > the title so it would appear in searches for Nak decks. > A ruse, maybe, but not a con. > > And yea, the CT-F1250 is a nice deck. Somehow doesn't > sound quite as good as, say, a CR-7, but still, nice. > > -- Ron > > > > David Thompson wrote: >> How about this for a con listing! >> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nakamichi-No-Pioneer-CT-F1250-high-end-classic_W0QQit >> emZ200202422995QQihZ010QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> Is the machine any good? >> David > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From dball1 at woh.rr.com Mon Feb 25 00:30:31 2008 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:30:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak repair In-Reply-To: <777151.55143.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kevin, I wish to echo your sentiments... Andy worked on a Nak deck of mine and I couldn't be happier with the results. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak repair Hey All, I just want to toot someone's horn here. I don't think it's against the rules as I'm not selling anything or have any financial connection with this person-or was I asked to do this. *andy* here (as he sigs himself), has fixed two cassette decks for me. Now I know there are some world-class Nak techs here and I'm not disputing that at all. However, most of you have pretty lengthy turnaround times as well, because you ARE good techs, or have other full time jobs. What I CAN tell anyone interested in Nak repair is that *andy* here, is the real deal. Not only is he gifted in repair analysis, but he goes the extra distance to make sure your cassette deck tests out perfectly and he's gone through it for faults. I sent him a 'voodoo' RX-505 that really was possessed and hammed by previous owners. He had it figured out and working perfectly in about a week. I sent him a Pioneer CT-F900 that was supposedly *fixed* by an old-world tech in Utah that had advertised Pioneer repair on ebay and yet it was recording poorly. That guy was nothing more than a crook and I waited over six months to get fleeced. *andy* got to the root of that deck's problem in short order. We've corresponded a lot and I consider him my friend as well. His charges are extremely reasonable and he's 'old school' professional in every way. His turnaround time is short and he should be considered by all here for your Nak problem cases or just to tune up/calibrate-whatever. Plus, he's a very personable, likable guy as well and passionate about Naks. I don't mind trying to fix stuff myself (I support the spirit of that always), but honestly with his charges and his expertise, you can't go wrong. He's located in GA (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) and please don't use him just for free advice-that's what naktalk is for.;-) Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Mon Feb 25 00:34:54 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:34:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Decks For Sale/CR7A Upgrade? References: <12513e804853.47c122db@sasktel.net> Message-ID: <001b01c8773d$dbe2e690$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Is your dragon the one that was on E-Bay about a month ago with the azimuth gage sitting on top of it? How much would you want for it, are you close to Regina? Rainer S. (80stech) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Point" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Decks For Sale/CR7A Upgrade? >I have been searching e-bay and other sites trying to find fully functional >decks for home use and have settled on a Dragon, CR7A & a RX-505. All of >them are fully functional and pleasing to the eye. I was on a bit of an >uncontrolled buying spree, probably as a result of not being able to afford >these models in my younger days! As a result, I have the following decks >that I would like to offer up for sale to the forum before placing them on >e-bay: > > BX-300 > -Clean and calibrated > -All belts & idler tire replaced by merely-a-man > -Comes w/RM-200 remote control > -Very clean cosmetics (Pics available if interested) > > LX-5 > -Clean cosmetics > -Fully functional\ > -Servicing is unknown at this point but all functions are working > > Dragon > -Clean cosmetics > -Adapter plug for azimuth testing unit (Pics available upon request) > -Comes w/Azimuth Tester > -Fully functional unit operating in my home setup currently > > All of these unit were purchased off of E-Bay and you can search past > auctions as see what I paid for them. My user name is > rjpoint at sasktel.net. I'm open to offers and by no means am I looking for > what I paid for them. I have enjoyed the forum and received some valuable > information of the past couple of months and I thank you all. Quick > question for anyone...Does anyone know what serial # and above that > doesn't require the output upgrade on the CR7A's? > Thanks---RJ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Feb 25 00:45:43 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:45:43 EST Subject: [naktalk] Dragon issue Message-ID: In a message dated 2/24/2008 3:41:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ddino77 at bellsouth.net writes: My beloved Dragon has a operational issue. Any time play and, rewind is selected it stops. However if reverse play or ff is used it functions normally. If I quickly tap the rewind it will stay. Also I can hear the audio signal briefly during foward play before it quickly stops. I have cleaned and checked the PCB boards, however this may be a logic issue. Is there a default I can use to reset the decks protocols. The cam motor adjusts and the idler is operating OK as well. I have the serv. manual but I hoped someone here might have better insight. regards, dan It's very likely the auto-stop light has burned out. They have a limited life span and it's not a serious issue. JW **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 25 01:11:02 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:11:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Decks For Sale/CR7A Upgrade? In-Reply-To: <12513e804853.47c122db@sasktel.net> References: <12513e804853.47c122db@sasktel.net> Message-ID: <47C20796.3090807@rcn.com> Raymond Point wrote: > I have been searching e-bay and other sites trying to find fully functional decks for home use and have settled on a Dragon, CR7A & a RX-505. All of them are fully functional and pleasing to the eye. I was on a bit of an uncontrolled buying spree, probably as a result of not being able to afford these models in my younger days! As a result, I have the following decks that I would like to offer up for sale to the forum before placing them on e-bay: > > BX-300 > -Clean and calibrated > -All belts & idler tire replaced by merely-a-man > -Comes w/RM-200 remote control > -Very clean cosmetics (Pics available if interested) > > LX-5 > -Clean cosmetics > -Fully functional\ > -Servicing is unknown at this point but all functions are working > > Dragon > -Clean cosmetics > -Adapter plug for azimuth testing unit (Pics available upon request) > -Comes w/Azimuth Tester > -Fully functional unit operating in my home setup currently > > All of these unit were purchased off of E-Bay and you can search past auctions as see what I paid for them. My user name is rjpoint at sasktel.net. I'm open to offers and by no means am I looking for what I paid for them. I have enjoyed the forum and received some valuable information of the past couple of months and I thank you all. Quick question for anyone...Does anyone know what serial # and above that doesn't require the output upgrade on the CR7A's? > Thanks---RJ I don't think there is a CR-7 'output upgrade', however, there are two other upgrade. First, the record equalization was modified starting S/N A130-08677. Second the rubber idler was replaced by a gear version starting around S/N A130-09500. Older CR-7s can be updated, but the EQ upgrade should be followed by recalibration of the associated circuits. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 25 04:09:59 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:09:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Not Nakamichi Ebay hype In-Reply-To: References: <47C195CB.3090101@rcn.com> Message-ID: <47C23187.4040100@rcn.com> Ah... Kermit rides again... Dave obviously meant 'Con' = 'swindle. OTOH, I meant 'ruse' as stated in the dictionary: 'A trick, stratagem, or artifice'. By all means, check dictionary.com. Granted, the meaning of 'ruse' can be extended, which is why a thesaurus should be taken with a small bag of salt. For example, Ruse is also a city in Bulgaria. Never mind, keep them coming. -- Ron Kermit Gray wrote: > Actually, Ron, in the context that Dave meant a "con" is a swindle. One > synonym for swindle is "ruse" according to my Roget's Thesaurus. So, > yes, Dave is right in the sense that putting "Nakamichi" in the listing > for a Pioneer to snag persons searching for Nakamichi decks into seeing > the Pioneer deck is a con. It's a listing practice too many eBay sellers > use. I try to never bid on an item listed in that manner. > > On Feb 24, 2008, at 10:05 AM, Ron wrote: > >> >> Actually, this is not a 'con listing'. The seller is >> openly selling a Pioneer deck. He put 'Nakamichi' in >> the title so it would appear in searches for Nak decks. >> A ruse, maybe, but not a con. >> >> And yea, the CT-F1250 is a nice deck. Somehow doesn't >> sound quite as good as, say, a CR-7, but still, nice. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> David Thompson wrote: >>> How about this for a con listing! >>> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Nakamichi-No-Pioneer-CT-F1250-high-end-classic_W0QQit >>> >>> emZ200202422995QQihZ010QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>> >>> Is the machine any good? >>> David >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > From jwkrieger at ca.rr.com Mon Feb 25 04:19:41 2008 From: jwkrieger at ca.rr.com (John D.) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:19:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pricing list References: <022320081240.9199.47C01436000A1788000023EF22120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8CA449673F35745-CFC-1860@MBLK-M07.sysops.aol.com> <8CA4500DBF70A58-F70-16AB@WEBMAIL-DC19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003901c8775d$4425f020$9629574c@john076c11cf62> Anthony, Try searches on ebay for a particular model your interested in, by using using the search function for closed auctions only. JD ----- Original Message ----- From: badanth at aim.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.com pricing list Thanks Dave, but I'm looking for the list of prices Naks are selling for and I didn't see that on that site. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: Dave Bowley To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 6:20 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.com pricing list Anthony TRy http://www.vintagecassette.com/Nakamichi for prices/photos & feature summaries Regards dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:50:58 -0500 From: badanth at aim.com Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pricing list It's been a long time since I've ventured on the naks.com site and I could have sworn there used to be a list of recent sale prices. Can someone point me in the right direction? Also, I can't seem to log into the archives with my old password and email address. Can someone please shed some light? Thanks for any help you can provide. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net To: Bansijeff at aol.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 7:40 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recent gauges sale In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:56:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, danbarham at aol.com writes: Folks, I'm sure many of you were watching the recent sale of the five gauges for sale on eBay, as I was. I knew they would go for a ludicrous price but $1281???! Wasn't that Andy who bought them? Guilty as charged, Jeff. Call me Mr. Ludicrous. Actually, I can somewhat justify the price I paid by saying that I already have one of the gauges in the auction--the DA09088 EH Tilt Check Gauge. When these gauges are in hand, I plan to make that extra gauge available for sale to Naktalk members first (best offer). If there isn't sufficient interest, then I'll put it on eBay. 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URL: From boytchik1 at hotmail.com Mon Feb 25 05:31:00 2008 From: boytchik1 at hotmail.com (Gutte Neshome) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:31:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] "what do i have to pay for a decent Dragon these days" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick, What not sue? From: rich_121 at msn.comTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:18:25 -0800Subject: [naktalk] "what do i have to pay for a decent Dragon these days" Hello Norman,If I ever get my Dragon back from Tom Buckner I would sell it to you, price depending on what Tom is going to charge me for having it in his shop for OVER 1 YEAR!!!!!I really wanted to get into the Nak hobby, I was really excited when I sent my Dragon off to get all the new belts, new door light and tune-up, plus what ever else it needed. I spent lots of $$ and time searching for the best cassette tape, hours and hours I spent researching and buying...I anxiously waited for the first couple months before realizing, that Tom does not do what he says he will...I have asked him many times for an estimate, both time wise and $$ amount, I was promised one in the beginning, then again later on... I have not gotten that nor much anything else from Tom.He has worked on many, many other decks that he has recieved since mine, and just lets mine sit... I don't know why he does this, as I have written many many MANY MANY emails asking WHEN WILL MY DRAGON BE DONE??????After the first 6 months, I realized I wasn't going to get my Dragon back anytime soon, if at all..... as I had talked with others here, and Tom was working on their decks and not mine... each time I would contact him, he gave me some other lame excuse as to why it was not done... I used to love reading Naktalk everyday, I read each post with enthusiasm... but, the past few months, I find myself getting upset just from reading from this forum, reading about other Dragons, other decks that are enjoyed... knowing, when I get mine, I will sell it, as the expierence has left a very very bad taste in my mouth...if this is all I can expect from a "proffessional", then, I will sell the Dragon, as I can't see a reason in keeping it if it takes that long to get service.How Tom has any credibility as a service tech, I don't know, as he has a long ways to go to prove to me he has the physical capacity to properly "fix" a deck.Tom, I know this rant will probably really piss you off, but, you really need to think about it, as it is long over due and very well diserved..... I'm done... 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Jetzt Domain sichern und gestalten! Nur 3,99 EUR/Monat! http://www.maildomain.web.de/?mc=021114 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Feb 24 23:01:19 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:01:19 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] "what do i have to pay for a decent Dragon these days" Message-ID: <33253148.1203890479337.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Feb 25 16:43:37 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:43:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Not Nakamichi Ebay hype In-Reply-To: References: <47C195CB.3090101@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20080225154336.JEGS20314.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Kermit, Glad you chimed in as I was just about to retort. In eBaynese, it's called Keyword Spamming. I personally find it annoying when I search for Pioneer or Yamaha and I get one of these idiot titles such as "Pioneer deck, works great, not Nakamichi, not Akai" or "OneSuckyPioneerCassetteDeck like Nakamichi Dragon". If I actively am doing a search for myself and I come across such a posting, it gets reported. I don't need to be wasting my time because some idiot selling a $20 deck wants more hits. At 08:57 PM 2/24/2008, you wrote: >Actually, Ron, in the context that Dave meant a "con" is a swindle. >One synonym for swindle is "ruse" according to my Roget's Thesaurus. >So, yes, Dave is right in the sense that putting "Nakamichi" in the >listing for a Pioneer to snag persons searching for Nakamichi decks >into seeing the Pioneer deck is a con. It's a listing practice too >many eBay sellers use. I try to never bid on an item listed in that >manner. From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Feb 25 16:57:04 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:57:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi "Mistake"? Message-ID: <022520081557.26030.47C2E550000BE1B2000065AE22165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:56:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Bansijeff at aol.com writes: The face of the CR 1-2-3-4 decks is an easily detachable metal piece which goes over the plastic face beneath it. If the original face was beat-up, another face could have been installed. ========= That was the first thing I thought of. But the seller says that he has owned the deck since it was new, and he took the time to mention the mismatch himself, so he must be as mystified as I was when I saw it. Of course, this could all be typical seller "whitewashing" and the deck may have seen a repair or some cosmetic damage at some point in the past. *andy* From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Feb 25 12:38:45 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:38:45 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] help with posting problems to NakTalk Message-ID: <7702629.1203939525641.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Would someone conversant in web mail look at the stuff below an advise me? Many of my posts "timeout" usually within minutes of posting. Is it my ISP or is it NakTalk? I am getting this 20% of the time when I reply, but IIRC never whan I begin a thread. thanks, tom brucker This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: naktalk at naks.com Connection timed out: SMTP timeout while connected to mail.naks.com [80.57.170.154] after initial connection: retry timeout exceeded ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: Received: from [209.86.224.32] (helo=elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JTb7F-0000Y9-Ve; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:03:26 -0500 Received: from 68.19.241.90 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:03:25 -0500 Message-ID: <2812935.1203937406005.JavaMail.root at elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:03:25 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Tom Brucker Reply-To: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Versions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

There are early version Dragons with some of the NAAC circuit soldered to the top of the audio board. As far as I know the circuit itself did not change. If  there had been a change made, does anyone have a service bulletin number or scan? It would be great to archive that on ebaman.com with the other bulletins.

 

tom brucker




 

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Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Versions

I seem to remember that the first run of the Dragons had big problems with the auto set up system which they revised  (new mechs to some customers)!! + a fair amount of electrical mods(fouror five pages of service updates!!, knowing Nakamichi would not think that later ones would be worse unless it was right at the end of the production run, and even then doubtful......
More likely to be poor and hamfisted servicing !!!
 
T.    
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Hi, All

I have a chance to get a Dragon, and my tech tells me that there was a later version that was not as good as the original; does anyone know any more about this or can clarify? Thanks a lot!

Joe P.


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An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjpoint at sasktel.net Mon Feb 25 17:33:40 2008 From: rjpoint at sasktel.net (Raymond Point) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:33:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Upgrade Information Message-ID: <75e55d397ee6.47c28b74@sasktel.net> Ron-Thanks for the information on the CR7A upgrades that were available. Cheers--Ray From alfienoakes69 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 25 15:01:54 2008 From: alfienoakes69 at yahoo.co.uk (Alfie Noakes) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:01:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi "Mistake"? In-Reply-To: <022320081246.17635.47C015BB000955D3000044E322120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: If you are talking about the discrepancy between 3 and 3A. I think I can explain. I have noticed that decks in the UK have the suffix "E" and I have always assumed this meant "Europe" for 230V. I am guessing that "A" is for "America" and 110V. Just an idea. Robbie Sent at 14:00, 25/02/08 -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: 23 February 2008 12:47 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi "Mistake"? Has anyone else ever seen apparent Nakamichi "mistakes" like this? Read the item description and look at the photos. I would have liked to have this deck! http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-3A-Cassette-Deck_W0QQitemZ180214658612QQihZ 008QQcategoryZ71574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mpl123 at xs4all.nl Mon Feb 25 17:51:21 2008 From: mpl123 at xs4all.nl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Deurloo?=) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:51:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Please advice: BX-125E -> dull sound In-Reply-To: <47B092DF.6030501@xs4all.nl> References: <47B092DF.6030501@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <47C2F209.6070702@xs4all.nl> Hi all, Last week I cleaned and lubed the gears and motors in my new BX-125E. I also cleaned the heads, capstan and rollers. It runs fine now, very smooth. Thanks to *andy* who gave me excellent directions. :-D Time to enjoy my latest treasure, so I played a couple of tapes. What a disappointment! The tapes sound very dull. Excuse me, my English is a bit rusty but I'll try to explain. What should sound like an "S" in fact sort of sounds like an "F". I mean instruments like the hi-hat, a flute... Do I make myself clear this way? Also output levels seem a bit low. The tapes I ran were recorded on my other Nakamichi. A BX-300E, which is in 100% tiptop shape. So these are fine recordings. My question: In what direction do I have to look to solve this "dull sound problem"? Azimuth? Demag? Orange caps? Other components? I got this BX125 from a friend who seriously neglected and tortured the poor thing for 15 years. Hence my cautious cleaning actions.... Please advice. Do I have to take this machine to a workshop? Or is it possible to try some other things first? Kind regards, André Deurloo From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 17:22:03 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:22:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: In-Reply-To: <200802251103.m1PB1XBe025332@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <724386.87796.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Actually *andy*, I don't think it's "ludicrous" in the least. It should show 'all' that you're drop-dead serious about Nak repair. I don't want to speak for you on this issue, but I'm sure you hunted, asked and searched for the appropriate gauges and this was the best assortment you could find. Hardly something that you should be condemned for. And still, after what was said, you're going to offer one of your extra gauges first on naktalk. I'd say that's magnanimous, not "ludicrous" and many folks here have done a lot dumber purchasing with Nak decks (prices) on ebay.;-) Kevin > -----Original Message----- > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > To: Bansijeff at aol.com > Cc: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 7:40 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recent gauges sale > > > > > In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:56:00 P.M. Pacific > Standard Time, > danbarham at aol.com writes: > > Folks, I'm sure many of you were watching the > recent sale of the five gauges > for sale on eBay, as I was. I knew they would go > for a ludicrous price but > $1281???! > > > Wasn't that Andy who bought them? > > > Guilty as charged, Jeff. Call me Mr. Ludicrous. > > Actually, I can somewhat justify the price I paid by > saying that I already > have one of the gauges in the auction--the DA09088 > EH Tilt Check Gauge. > > When these gauges are in hand, I plan to make that > extra gauge available > for sale to Naktalk members first (best offer). If > there isn't sufficient > interest, then I'll put it on eBay. Either way, > I'll recoup a bit of my money. > > > *andy* ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From luis at peromarta.org Tue Feb 26 08:17:57 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:17:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Please advice: BX-125E -> dull sound In-Reply-To: <47C2F209.6070702@xs4all.nl> References: <47B092DF.6030501@xs4all.nl> <47C2F209.6070702@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <47C3BD25.4080202@peromarta.org> Hi ANdré, You could try a head alignment as per http://peromarta.org/naks/cal_faq.html rgds, LP. André Deurloo escribió: > Hi all, > > Last week I cleaned and lubed the gears and motors in my new BX-125E. I > also cleaned the heads, capstan and rollers. It runs fine now, very > smooth. Thanks to *andy* who gave me excellent directions. :-D Time to > enjoy my latest treasure, so I played a couple of tapes. > > What a disappointment! The tapes sound very dull. Excuse me, my English > is a bit rusty but I'll try to explain. What should sound like an "S" in > fact sort of sounds like an "F". I mean instruments like the hi-hat, a > flute... Do I make myself clear this way? Also output levels seem a bit > low. > > The tapes I ran were recorded on my other Nakamichi. A BX-300E, which is > in 100% tiptop shape. So these are fine recordings. > > My question: In what direction do I have to look to solve this "dull > sound problem"? Azimuth? Demag? Orange caps? Other components? > > I got this BX125 from a friend who seriously neglected and tortured the > poor thing for 15 years. Hence my cautious cleaning actions.... > > Please advice. Do I have to take this machine to a workshop? Or is it > possible to try some other things first? > > Kind regards, > André Deurloo > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Feb 25 23:20:46 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:20:46 EST Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 azimuth adjustment Message-ID: In a message dated 2/25/2008 2:03:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tilomagnet at web.de writes: I'm in the process of digitizing some cassettes made on several different decks about 20 years ago. I'll be using my ZX-9 and I want to adjust the PB head azimuth to get good results. How do I remove this small cover below the cassette door in order to access the azimuth screws on the head block? It doesn't come off easily and I don't want to damage anything of course. Thanks! I would strongly advise against messing with it. You're more likely to wreck the alignment of the head. If you want playback azimuth adjustment, buy a Dragon, a CR-7, a Cassette Deck 1 or a DR-1. Jeff W **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Feb 25 23:29:09 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:29:09 EST Subject: [naktalk] Please advice: BX-125E -> dull sound Message-ID: In a message dated 2/25/2008 2:04:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mpl123 at xs4all.nl writes: Last week I cleaned and lubed the gears and motors in my new BX-125E. I also cleaned the heads, capstan and rollers. It runs fine now, very smooth. Thanks to *andy* who gave me excellent directions. :-D Time to enjoy my latest treasure, so I played a couple of tapes. What a disappointment! The tapes sound very dull. Excuse me, my English is a bit rusty but I'll try to explain. What should sound like an "S" in fact sort of sounds like an "F". I mean instruments like the hi-hat, a flute... Do I make myself clear this way? Also output levels seem a bit low. The tapes I ran were recorded on my other Nakamichi. A BX-300E, which is in 100% tiptop shape. So these are fine recordings. My question: In what direction do I have to look to solve this "dull sound problem"? Azimuth? Demag? Orange caps? Other components? I got this BX125 from a friend who seriously neglected and tortured the poor thing for 15 years. Hence my cautious cleaning actions.... Please advice. Do I have to take this machine to a workshop? Or is it possible to try some other things first? You can try the procedure in the service manual under "Electrical Adjustments" called "Playback Frequency Response Adjustment." Also, are the tapes in question recorded with Dolby? You can recalibrate the Dolby using the instructions for "Playback Level Calibration." Actually, I'd do this first. Azimuth adjustment is a last resort, as you're likely to screw it up unless you have exactly the right test tapes. It's not likely to be very far off unless the previous owner was messing with the deck. It is probably recommended in the SM after adjusting the Playback Frequency Response as the last step. The output of the BX-125 IS low, don't worry about it. Jeff W **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. 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Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:39 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] help with posting problems to NakTalk Would someone conversant in web mail look at the stuff below an advise me? Many of my posts "timeout" usually within minutes of posting. Is it my ISP or is it NakTalk? I am getting this 20% of the time when I reply, but IIRC never whan I begin a thread. thanks, tom brucker This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: naktalk at naks.com Connection timed out: SMTP timeout while connected to mail.naks.com [80.57.170.154] after initial connection: retry timeout exceeded ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: Received: from [209.86.224.32] (helo=elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JTb7F-0000Y9-Ve; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:03:26 -0500 Received: from 68.19.241.90 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:03:25 -0500 Message-ID: <2812935.1203937406005.JavaMail.root at elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:03:25 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Tom Brucker Reply-To: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Versions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

There are early version Dragons with some of the NAAC circuit soldered to the top of the audio board. As far as I know the circuit itself did not change. If  there had been a change made, does anyone have a service bulletin number or scan? It would be great to archive that on ebaman.com with the other bulletins.

 

tom brucker




 

-----Original Message-----
From: TERRY FINN
Sent: Feb 24, 2008 7:59 AM
To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Versions

I seem to remember that the first run of the Dragons had big problems with the auto set up system which they revised  (new mechs to some customers)!! + a fair amount of electrical mods(fouror five pages of service updates!!, knowing Nakamichi would not think that later ones would be worse unless it was right at the end of the production run, and even then doubtful......
More likely to be poor and hamfisted servicing !!!
 
T.    
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:04 PM
Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Versions

Hi, All

I have a chance to get a Dragon, and my tech tells me that there was a later version that was not as good as the original; does anyone know any more about this or can clarify? Thanks a lot!

Joe P.


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The practice of title attaching irrelevant brands to my search is not illegal but is and old marketing trick, very time wasting and hugely irritating. Which makes no sense, since the last thing I feel like doing is rewarding the clown with a purchase. This "slick" behavior boomerangs back and hits them right where it counts... in the pocket book. Sometimes, I send them back a lengthy sarcastic and sardonic message, wasting their time as well. Sometimes, when in a really sour mood, I will ask many questions raising their hope of a big score. -------------- Original message from Roland : -------------- > Kermit, > > Glad you chimed in as I was just about to retort. > > In eBaynese, it's called Keyword Spamming. > > I personally find it annoying when I search for Pioneer or Yamaha and > I get one of these idiot titles such as "Pioneer deck, works great, > not Nakamichi, not Akai" or "OneSuckyPioneerCassetteDeck like > Nakamichi Dragon". > > If I actively am doing a search for myself and I come across such a > posting, it gets reported. I don't need to be wasting my time > because some idiot selling a $20 deck wants more hits. > > At 08:57 PM 2/24/2008, you wrote: > >Actually, Ron, in the context that Dave meant a "con" is a swindle. > >One synonym for swindle is "ruse" according to my Roget's Thesaurus. > >So, yes, Dave is right in the sense that putting "Nakamichi" in the > >listing for a Pioneer to snag persons searching for Nakamichi decks > >into seeing the Pioneer deck is a con. It's a listing practice too > >many eBay sellers use. I try to never bid on an item listed in that > >manner. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Grover.Zinn at oberlin.edu Tue Feb 26 00:08:22 2008 From: Grover.Zinn at oberlin.edu (Grover Zinn (imap)) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:08:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] help with posting problems to NakTalk In-Reply-To: <7702629.1203939525641.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7702629.1203939525641.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <03C58DE7-ABB8-48BA-85F1-E05F558AB640@oberlin.edu> Tom I'm not that conversant with the many variations, but I noticed one thing: when your messages come via naktalk they appear to be plain text, but the one that was returned to you has a lot of html markup. Perhaps you could set your email program on plain text and see what happens (I know this is a problem with a Mac program known as Eudora. I use Apple Mail most of the time (use Eudora to keep a separate set of emails---paranoia I guess--). best Grover On Feb 25, 2008, at 6:38 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Would someone conversant in web mail look at the stuff below an > advise me? Many of my posts "timeout" usually within minutes of > posting. Is it my ISP or is it NakTalk? I am getting this 20% of the > time when I reply, but IIRC never whan I begin a thread. > > thanks, tom brucker > > > > > > > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) > failed: > > naktalk at naks.com > Connection timed out: > SMTP timeout while connected to mail.naks.com [80.57.170.154] > after initial > connection: > retry timeout exceeded > > ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. > ------ > > Return-path: > Received: from [209.86.224.32] (helo=elwamui- > cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net) > by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) > id 1JTb7F-0000Y9-Ve; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:03:26 -0500 > Received: from 68.19.241.90 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; > Mon, 25 Feb > 2008 06:03:25 -0500 > Message-ID: <2812935.1203937406005.JavaMail.root at elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net > > > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:03:25 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Reply-To: Tom Brucker > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Versions > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 > > > > > > >

There are early version Dragons with some of the NAAC circuit > soldered > to the top of the audio board. As far as I know the circuit itself > did not change. > If  there had been a change made, does anyone have a service > bulletin number > or scan? It would be great to archive that on ebaman.com with the > other bulletins.

>

 

>

tom brucker

>




 

>
-----Original Message-----
From: TERRY FINN >
Sent: Feb 24, 2008 7:59 AM
To: > Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks
Subject: Re: > [naktalk] Dragon Versions

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I seem to remember that the first > run of the Dragons had big problems with the auto set up > system which they > revised  (new mechs to some customers)!! + a fair amount of > electrical > mods(fouror five pages of service updates!!, knowing Nakamichi > would not > think that later ones would be worse unless it was right at the end > of the production > run, and even then doubtful......
>
More likely to be poor and hamfisted > servicing !!!
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color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Hi, All

I > have a chance to get a Dragon, and my tech tells me that there was a > later version > that was not as good as the original; does anyone know any more > about this or can > clarify? Thanks a lot!

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> Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Feb 26 03:53:20 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:53:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pricing list Message-ID: <022620080253.28462.47C37F2000006A4000006F2E22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Anthony: Sonic Sense, a one-time Nakamichi repair and sales facility, still has a very informative FAQ on its website that gives approximate sales figures of used Naks. However, since this FAQ is a few years old, you need to take several of the dollar figures given with a grain of salt. (Example - BX-300: $425+ ....HUH?!?!?) On the other hand, dollar figures given for some models are remarkably similar to what I've seen on eBay. (Example - CR-7A: $850-$1000) You can check out the Sonic Sense Nak FAQ here: http://www.sonicsense.com/nakfaq42.htm *andy* From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 04:46:22 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:46:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi "Mistake"? In-Reply-To: <022520081557.26030.47C2E550000BE1B2000065AE22165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <184248.21923.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It is extremely rare for Nakamichi to do that. Good possibility that somebody has changed the back plate more than the front plate. I have done such a thing myself when changing dual voltage version from single voltage model. Once I had changed my dual voltage CR7 to 110V US version giving the dual voltage switch with transformer to Stephen Sank ! Kannan hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:56:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Bansijeff at aol.com writes: The face of the CR 1-2-3-4 decks is an easily detachable metal piece which goes over the plastic face beneath it. If the original face was beat-up, another face could have been installed. ========= That was the first thing I thought of. But the seller says that he has owned the deck since it was new, and he took the time to mention the mismatch himself, so he must be as mystified as I was when I saw it. Of course, this could all be typical seller "whitewashing" and the deck may have seen a repair or some cosmetic damage at some point in the past. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Khan _____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on online degrees and make up to $150K/ year. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijm6TUtJa9EbLZqVymQOqFeF7UNWu9ftR7HImCUUbUUv6yf7C/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Tue Feb 26 01:36:17 2008 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:36:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Versions References: <7935693.1203937405640.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003701c8780f$99c31280$0201a8c0@home> Hi Tom I'm pretty sure there is a service bulletin, and I have one just need to find it, Probably with the Dragon and spare mech that I didn't get round to sorting!!! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Versions There are early version Dragons with some of the NAAC circuit soldered to the top of the audio board. As far as I know the circuit itself did not change. If there had been a change made, does anyone have a service bulletin number or scan? It would be great to archive that on ebaman.com with the other bulletins. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: TERRY FINN Sent: Feb 24, 2008 7:59 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Versions I seem to remember that the first run of the Dragons had big problems with the auto set up system which they revised (new mechs to some customers)!! + a fair amount of electrical mods(fouror five pages of service updates!!, knowing Nakamichi would not think that later ones would be worse unless it was right at the end of the production run, and even then doubtful...... More likely to be poor and hamfisted servicing !!! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: JPPiano at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Versions Hi, All I have a chance to get a Dragon, and my tech tells me that there was a later version that was not as good as the original; does anyone know any more about this or can clarify? 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URL: From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Tue Feb 26 09:34:42 2008 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:34:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Recent gauges sale Message-ID: <200802260334_MC3-1-FC9A-73F8@compuserve.com> Hi, In this regard I am feeling very lucky to be in the SF-Bay Area. Couple weeks ago I dropped off couple of my Naks to Willy Hermann, who is a great tech and has all the Nak gauges and test-tapes. He did not even charge me for the cr-7a, which he found to be perfectly aligned. _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:24:07 -0800 (PST) From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recent gauges sale To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <57941.66478.qm at web33310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes Andy is the buyer- cogratulations to Andy Andy manages by sheer brute force bidding - wish him all the luck and hope one day he would be willing to lend me some of these gauges if I need them! Please note that I paid over 500+ $ for one head tilt check gauge from Nak about 6 years back. that is the price and I reached me after I spent another 250$ plus to get it to India! Most of these gauges cost a lot from Nakamichi - infact I posted the cost at that time in Naktalk post. Stephen commented that I got a cheaper quote than US Naks parts department. If you worked with gages for a machine shop you will know that gages are very expensive always as they are few and they are precise tools. I will not be surprised if the price from Nak gauge project ends up with high price as the takers will be very small and cost will be based on the qty of manufacture. Only hope is that the gauges will be atlast available for purchase. Also remember that somebody in Bulgaria will be able to tune his naks if necessary at his home without needing to send over to Willy Herman or Eslabs! kannan Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:56:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, danbarham at aol.com writes: Folks, I'm sure many of you were watching the recent sale of the five gauges for sale on eBay, as I was. I knew they would go for a ludicrous price but $1281???! Wasn't that Andy who bought them? JW < From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Feb 26 13:48:25 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:48:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi "Mistake"? Message-ID: <022620081248.18231.47C40A99000A83A70000473722120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Robbie: That is exactly what the "A" and the "E" letters mean in the CR series (and some other Nak series as well). When there is no letter present at all, then the deck is a "general export" model and has switchable mains voltage. So this CR-3 has a general export model face, but is definitely a 3A inside, and has no switchable mains voltage. Weird! *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Feb 26 13:51:31 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:51:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Please advice: BX-125E -> dull sound Message-ID: <022620081251.24008.47C40B5300079E1D00005DC822120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Andr�: You mentioned that you had cleaned the heads, capstans, and rollers, but did you DEMAGNETIZE that area as well? Since your friend obviously did not take care of this machine, it's a good bet that he didn't demagnetize the heads. You would be amazed at the difference in sound quality once you demagnetize the heads with a good demagnetizing unit. That is the first thing I would check. Good Luck! *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 26 14:42:02 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:42:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Please advice: BX-125E -> dull sound In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47C4172A.9050002@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/25/2008 2:04:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > mpl123 at xs4all.nl writes: > > Last week I cleaned and lubed the gears and motors in my new BX-125E. I > also cleaned the heads, capstan and rollers. It runs fine now, very > smooth. Thanks to *andy* who gave me excellent directions. :-D Time to > enjoy my latest treasure, so I played a couple of tapes. > > What a disappointment! The tapes sound very dull. Excuse me, my English > is a bit rusty but I'll try to explain. What should sound like an > "S" in > fact sort of sounds like an "F". I mean instruments like the hi-hat, a > flute... Do I make myself clear this way? Also output levels seem a > bit low. > > The tapes I ran were recorded on my other Nakamichi. A BX-300E, > which is > in 100% tiptop shape. So these are fine recordings. > > My question: In what direction do I have to look to solve this "dull > sound problem"? Azimuth? Demag? Orange caps? Other components? > > I got this BX125 from a friend who seriously neglected and tortured the > poor thing for 15 years. Hence my cautious cleaning actions.... > > Please advice. Do I have to take this machine to a workshop? Or is it > possible to try some other things first? > > > You can try the procedure in the service manual under "Electrical > Adjustments" called "Playback Frequency Response Adjustment." > > Also, are the tapes in question recorded with Dolby? You can > recalibrate the Dolby using the instructions for "Playback Level > Calibration." Actually, I'd do this first. > > Azimuth adjustment is a last resort, as you're likely to screw it up > unless you have exactly the right test tapes. OTOH, if tapes recorded on the BX-125 itself sound good, azimuth alignment would be the first thing I would try. -- Ron It's not likely to be > very far off unless the previous owner was messing with the deck. It is > probably recommended in the SM after adjusting the Playback Frequency > Response as the last step. > > The output of the BX-125 IS low, don't worry about it. > > Jeff W > From greynlds at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 14:49:52 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:49:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Not Nakamichi Ebay hype References: <022620080522.11294.47C3A2000005D02600002C1E22230647029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <004801c8787e$76e68390$3201a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: > The practice of title attaching irrelevant brands to my search is not illegal but is and old > marketing trick, very time wasting and hugely irritating. Keyword spamming actually is against ebay policy: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/keyword-spam.html "Keyword spamming is not permitted on eBay. Keyword spamming occurs when sellers place brand names or other inappropriate keywords in a title, subtitle, item specifics or description for the purpose of gaining attention or diverting members to a listing. The text sellers place in listings must be directly relevant to the item being sold. Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including: a.. Listing cancellation b.. Limits on account privileges c.. Account suspension d.. Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings e.. Loss of PowerSeller status " -- Geoffrey Reynolds From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 26 14:52:18 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:52:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Not Nakamichi Ebay hype In-Reply-To: <022620080522.11294.47C3A2000005D02600002C1E22230647029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> References: <022620080522.11294.47C3A2000005D02600002C1E22230647029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <47C41992.4030808@rcn.com> ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: > The practice of title attaching irrelevant brands to my search is not > illegal but is and old marketing trick, very time wasting and hugely > irritating. Which makes no sense, since the last thing I feel like doing > is rewarding the clown with a purchase. This "slick" behavior boomerangs > back and hits them right where it counts... in the pocket book. > Sometimes, I send them back a lengthy sarcastic and sardonic message, > wasting their time as well. Sometimes, when in a really sour mood, I > will ask many questions raising their hope of a big score. Oh, lighten up... I'd be the first to slam ebay for the scams that they tolerate and even encourage. But this is most innocuous and certainly, not a 'con'. It's 'very time wasting and hugely irritating' only if you let it be that. Just skip that entry in the search results, how time consuming is it? And be thankful that you haven't sent your money and never got anything back in return, which is not that unusual on ebay -- now, *that's* hugely irritating. -- Ron > > -------------- Original message from Roland : > -------------- > > > > Kermit, > > > > Glad you chimed in as I was just about to retort. > > > > In eBaynese, it's called Keyword Spamming. > > > > I personally find it annoying when I search for Pioneer or Yamaha > and > > I get one of these idiot titles such as "Pioneer deck, works great, > > not Nakamichi, not Akai" or "OneSuckyPioneerCassetteDeck like > > Nakamichi Dragon". > > > > If I actively am doing a search for myself and I come across such a > > posting, it gets reported. I don't need to be wasting my time > > because some idiot selling a $20 deck wants more hits. > > > > At 08:57 PM 2/24/2008, you wrote: > > >Actually, Ron, in the context that Dave meant a "con" is a swindle. > > >One synonym for swindle is "ruse"! accord ing to my Roget's > Thesaurus. > > >So, yes, Dave is right in the sense that putting "Nakamichi" in the > > >listing for a Pioneer to snag persons searching for Nakamichi decks > > >into seeing the Pioneer deck is a con. It's a listing practice too > > >many eBay sellers use. I try to never bid on an item listed in that > > >manner. > > > > > From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 16:26:20 2008 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:26:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Problem Message-ID: <479403.84309.qm@web55113.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, I just joined NakTalk in the hope that someone can help me with my problem. I have a CR-7A about 20 years old. I cannot use it now because the motor spindles do not turn at all, either in play, rewind or fast forward. Questions: 1) Is this a common problem? 2) Is this due to worn out drive belts or burned out motors? 3) If caused by worn out drive belts, how many are there to replace? 4) Can this problem also be caused by a worn out idler tire? 5) Has anyone heard of Electronic Service Labs in Wetherfield, CT.? They claim to be an authorized Nakamichi repair center, who repairs old Naks. Are they good? And finally, a more general question that I am curious about: What is (or was) the major difference (aside from price) between a CR-7A and a Dragon, and which one sounds better? I am using a Jeff Rowland Model 5 amp, their Coherence One preamp and B&W Matrix 801 Series 2 speakers). I have read that some people claim the cheaper CR-7A is a better sounding machine. Any thoughts on this? Thanks to anyone who answers these questions. jmlevitz at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Tue Feb 26 16:46:08 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:46:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon issue Message-ID: <022620081546.19482.47C4343F000E8A4000004C1A22218683269B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Thanks JW. Your expertise was right on the money. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate pointing me in the "right direction". Now I will find a lamp and replace. Is there any vendor you prefer? BTW, I am curious why NAK would depend on a cheap 15 cent bulb to keep their DRAGON up-in-running? This seems like such a junky and unreliable method. I wonder if anyone here has tried to refit the incandescent with an LED solution to enhance durability? dan -------------- Original message from Bansijeff at aol.com: -------------- In a message dated 2/24/2008 3:41:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ddino77 at bellsouth.net writes: My beloved Dragon has a operational issue. Any time play and, rewind is selected it stops. However if reverse play or ff is used it functions normally. If I quickly tap the rewind it will stay. Also I can hear the audio signal briefly during foward play before it quickly stops. I have cleaned and checked the PCB boards, however this may be a logic issue. Is there a default I can use to reset the decks protocols. The cam motor adjusts and the idler is operating OK as well. I have the serv. manual but I hoped someone here might have better insight. regards, dan It's very likely the auto-stop light has burned out. They have a limited life span and it's not a serious issue. JW Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 26 12:39:18 2008 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (cjlovesjazz) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:39:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-3 - anything to look for? Message-ID: <51375.25440.bm@omp216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I've sometimes smiled when I've looked at the lists of Naks that some members own... But, the little devils are addictive and now I'm eyeing a CR-3E. I don't know how it would stack up against the better of my BX-300E's in objective terms (I know that the wow and flutter figures are slightly higher) and I don't think I'll have the idler wheel issue to consider (please correct me if I got that wrong). How good a deck is the CR-3 in members' subjective experience? And is there anything that I should look out for, weak spots or things that need to be checked before the deck gets heavy use? Any experience would be gratefully received. Thank you all. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mpl123 at xs4all.nl Tue Feb 26 17:56:00 2008 From: mpl123 at xs4all.nl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Deurloo?=) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:56:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Please advice: BX-125E -> dull sound In-Reply-To: <022620081251.24008.47C40B5300079E1D00005DC822120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <022620081251.24008.47C40B5300079E1D00005DC822120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47C444A0.1070703@xs4all.nl> Hi *andy*, Luis, Jeff W, all others, Thank you for your replies. It seems to me I have several options. Demagnetizing, calibrating, head alignment. To me this all spells: W-O-R-K-S-H-O-P It is the only sensible option since I only have a big hammer and a couple of screwdrivers. The hammer for sure is no option, haha. And with screwdrivers but no scope, gauges, test tapes or multimeter I won't get anywhere else then in big trouble. I probably would be left with a parts deck, which is not my intention. So I contacted the retailer that sold the deck to my friend back in 1985. Waiting for a reply.... Will be back soon, André hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Hi, André: > > You mentioned that you had cleaned the heads, capstans, and rollers, but did you DEMAGNETIZE that area as well? > > Since your friend obviously did not take care of this machine, it's a good bet that he didn't demagnetize the heads. > > You would be amazed at the difference in sound quality once you demagnetize the heads with a good demagnetizing unit. > > That is the first thing I would check. > > Good Luck! > > > *andy* > From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 19:05:26 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:05:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Recent gauges sale In-Reply-To: <022320081240.9199.47C01436000A1788000023EF22120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <871894.15470.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy, Just my opinion, if you sell that extra gauge, you'll be sorry in the future and the money will be gone! IMO, keep it! Bob N hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: In a message dated 2/21/2008 11:56:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, danbarham at aol.com writes: Folks, I'm sure many of you were watching the recent sale of the five gauges for sale on eBay, as I was. I knew they would go for a ludicrous price but $1281???! Wasn't that Andy who bought them? Guilty as charged, Jeff. Call me Mr. Ludicrous. Actually, I can somewhat justify the price I paid by saying that I already have one of the gauges in the auction--the DA09088 EH Tilt Check Gauge. When these gauges are in hand, I plan to make that extra gauge available for sale to Naktalk members first (best offer). If there isn't sufficient interest, then I'll put it on eBay. Either way, I'll recoup a bit of my money. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 19:22:58 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:22:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi "Mistake"? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <753511.83357.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So what's the difference between an "A" and a non "A"? Bob N Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/23/2008 4:56:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: Has anyone else ever seen apparent Nakamichi "mistakes" like this? Read the item description and look at the photos. I would have liked to have this deck! The face of the CR 1-2-3-4 decks is an easily detachable metal piece which goes over the plastic face beneath it. If the original face was beat-up, another face could have been installed. Jeff W --------------------------------- Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.shenefelt at verizon.net Tue Feb 26 21:04:00 2008 From: william.shenefelt at verizon.net (Bill Shenefelt) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:04:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] "what do i have to pay for a decent Dragon these days" Message-ID: <006401c878b2$bb1b27d0$4001a8c0@main> I would guess the problem is parts availability. If you need a part and have to wait for another used deck for salvage it takes time. If time is a factor, ESL repaired my CR7A in short order (They have parts) but it cost a lot more than Tom charged for fixing my ZX7. My recommendation is for ESL if you have the money and want good work and fast turnaround but be prepared to shell out probably more than the deck sold for initially. Not entirely unreasonable due to inflation since back when the deck sold. Bill Shenefelt http://sheneskillies.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 21:05:55 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:05:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Versions In-Reply-To: <003701c8780f$99c31280$0201a8c0@home> Message-ID: <516227.34717.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a Dragon Version 3 Schematics directly mailed from Nakamichi japan when they sent me a Dragon Service manual with poor copy of schematics and I complained about the quality of the print on these scematics page. Now I do not see any difference on teh schematic, it can be anything from connector type change to few PCB layout changes. basically I have seen only difference is the early Dragons with NAAC circuit had large number of adhoc soldered parts with wires hanging around. Remarkably that Dragon ( Serial numbers in 2000 -3000 series ) was working without any of NAAC or any other issues! From my personal experience with different serial number Dragons - not much worthwhile difference exist for you to look for buying. Late production models ( like the one I am having produced in 1989 - last year of Dragon production) are in better shape with less deviations proivided the Dragon was used regularly. I have also seen 20000+ serial number Dragons has component issuses ! Unless you have worked with Dragons, I cannot direct a single important factor for good functioning Dragon. I have to add that some Dragons were really treated badly - I do not understand why since it is an expensive Deck all along. I have not seen any Dragon selling for less money TERRY FINN wrote: BODY { FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff } Hi Tom I'm pretty sure there is a service bulletin, and I have one just need to find it, Probably with the Dragon and spare mech that I didn't get round to sorting!!! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Versions There are early version Dragons with some of the NAAC circuit soldered to the top of the audio board. As far as I know the circuit itself did not change. If there had been a change made, does anyone have a service bulletin number or scan? It would be great to archive that on ebaman.com with the other bulletins. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: TERRY FINN Sent: Feb 24, 2008 7:59 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Versions I seem to remember that the first run of the Dragons had big problems with the auto set up system which they revised (new mechs to some customers)!! + a fair amount of electrical mods(fouror five pages of service updates!!, knowing Nakamichi would not think that later ones would be worse unless it was right at the end of the production run, and even then doubtful...... More likely to be poor and hamfisted servicing !!! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: JPPiano at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Versions Hi, All I have a chance to get a Dragon, and my tech tells me that there was a later version that was not as good as the original; does anyone know any more about this or can clarify? 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Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1297 - Release Date: 25/02/08 09:22 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Feb 27 16:55:02 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:55:02 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-3 - anything to look for? Message-ID: In a message dated 2/27/2008 12:57:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk writes: But, the little devils are addictive and now I'm eyeing a CR-3E. I don't know how it would stack up against the better of my BX-300E's in objective terms (I know that the wow and flutter figures are slightly higher) and I don't think I'll have the idler wheel issue to consider (please correct me if I got that wrong). How good a deck is the CR-3 in members' subjective experience? And is there anything that I should look out for, weak spots or things that need to be checked before the deck gets heavy use? Any experience would be gratefully received. Thank you all. I've owned several CR-3's over the years. It's a pretty good deck, if you can find one in good shape. It does have the gear idler. The cam motor has the usual problems with oxidation, if it hasn't been used much, but that is often an easy fix with DeOxIt. It basically a straight-forward 3 head deck with dual capstans - the basic but not cheap 3 head Nak of it's day. Unlike the Cassette Deck 1.5 and DR-2, it has an output control, a feature which I have found useful. If the heads are in good shape, the tone is nice. There was some discussion here last year about the possibility the CR-s were engineered to faithfully reproduce the sound off CD's, and the CR-3 is one of those decks that will give you a recording off a CD which is virtually the same as the original. JW **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Feb 27 19:13:23 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:13:23 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Problem Message-ID: In a message dated 2/27/2008 12:57:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, jmlevitz at yahoo.com writes: Hi everyone, I just joined NakTalk in the hope that someone can help me with my problem. I have a CR-7A about 20 years old. I cannot use it now because the motor spindles do not turn at all, either in play, rewind or fast forward. Questions: 1) Is this a common problem? 2) Is this due to worn out drive belts or burned out motors? 3) If caused by worn out drive belts, how many are there to replace? 4) Can this problem also be caused by a worn out idler tire? 5) Has anyone heard of Electronic Service Labs in Wetherfield, CT.? They claim to be an authorized Nakamichi repair center, who repairs old Naks. Are they good? And finally, a more general question that I am curious about: What is (or was) the major difference (aside from price) between a CR-7A and a Dragon, and which one sounds better? I am using a Jeff Rowland Model 5 amp, their Coherence One preamp and B&W Matrix 801 Series 2 speakers). I have read that some people claim the cheaper CR-7A is a better sounding machine. Any thoughts on this? Thanks to anyone who answers these questions. _jmlevitz at yahoo.com_ (mailto:jmlevitz at yahoo.com) Hi, I'll take a shot at it. Yes, it could be just an idler tire if the serial number is below 10,000 or so. Later CR-7's had the gear idler. I think the capstan should turn however, even if the idler isn't working. If the capstan motor isn't turning when you power up the deck, you've got another problem. It could also be a large array of problems some of which you mention, like oxidized motors, belts, etc. Can't suggest anything without more info. Idler tire is definitely the first thing to check. ESL is the high end of Nak repair, with the high end of prices as well. They also give a very good warranty. They generally want to rebuild your deck, rather than repair it however. That's pricey. If you want a repair, there are at least 2 Nak-trained techs (Tom & Willy) who are regular contributors to Naktalk and several other guys who have a lot of Nak repair experience as well. However, only ESL has the parts readily available for major repair or rebuild. As for Dragon vs CR-7, Tom Brucker has suggested that we should all say the best Nak ever was the CR-7 and be done with it. That's his story and I'm sticking to it. Of course, he said that in order to keep prices down on eBay for all the other Naks we love and covet. I'm personally of the opinion that at this point in time, it is more the condition of a deck than the model which makes the difference. A CR-7 in pristine condition is better than a Dragon with a lot of miles on it. After all, we're talking about used decks here. Jeff W **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. 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David >Message: 5 >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:49:52 -0500 >From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Not Nakamichi Ebay hype To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <004801c8787e$76e68390$3201a8c0 at geoffwin2k> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >From: >> The practice of title attaching irrelevant brands to my search is not >illegal but is and old >> marketing trick, very time wasting and hugely irritating. >Keyword spamming actually is against ebay policy: >http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/keyword-spam.html >"Keyword spamming is not permitted on eBay. Keyword spamming occurs when sellers place brand names or other inappropriate keywords in a title, subtitle, item specifics or description for the purpose of gaining attention or diverting members to a listing. The text sellers place in listings must be directly relevant to the item being sold. >Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including: a.. Listing cancellation b.. Limits on account privileges c.. Account suspension d.. Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings e.. Loss of PowerSeller status " -- >Geoffrey Reynolds> From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 19:07:47 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:07:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Please advice: BX-125E -> dull sound In-Reply-To: <47C444A0.1070703@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <612237.57704.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi André, You might consider investing in a demagnetizer unless you have a local trusted tech you can take the deck to on a regular basis. It is not difficult to use. David ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From john.bowley at mypostoffice.co.uk Wed Feb 27 11:38:46 2008 From: john.bowley at mypostoffice.co.uk (Dave Bowley) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:38:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-3 - anything to look for? References: <51375.25440.bm@omp216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005f01c8792c$ee962b80$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Chris The CR3 is an excellent deck & avoids the idler tyre issue with its nylon gears Sankyo drive. Usual issue for an infrequently used deck is intermittent failure of the reel motor [periodic stop/start running] but this can be renovated [sometimes] with the application of Deoxit aerosol spray as the easiest short term fix. Less sensitive to capstan belts fitment than the older mech decks & a good set available & recommended from the Italian Ebay sellet 'soft-it' for around £10 - 12 delivered. Hope this helps Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: cjlovesjazz To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-3 - anything to look for? I've sometimes smiled when I've looked at the lists of Naks that some members own... But, the little devils are addictive and now I'm eyeing a CR-3E. I don't know how it would stack up against the better of my BX-300E's in objective terms (I know that the wow and flutter figures are slightly higher) and I don't think I'll have the idler wheel issue to consider (please correct me if I got that wrong). How good a deck is the CR-3 in members' subjective experience? And is there anything that I should look out for, weak spots or things that need to be checked before the deck gets heavy use? Any experience would be gratefully received. Thank you all. 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Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1300 - Release Date: 26/02/2008 19:50 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Feb 27 15:30:21 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:30:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Problem In-Reply-To: <479403.84309.qm@web55113.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <479403.84309.qm@web55113.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47C573FD.8030003@rcn.com> jayson levitz wrote: > Hi everyone, I just joined NakTalk in the hope that someone can help me > with my problem. > > I have a CR-7A about 20 years old. I cannot use it now because the > motor spindles do not turn at all, either in play, rewind or fast > forward. Questions: > > 1) Is this a common problem? Assuming that by 'motor spindles' you mean the capstans, that would mean the capstan motor is dead. It's not that common, but can happen and requires some troubleshooting to diagnose the fault. > 2) Is this due to worn out drive belts or burned out motors? If the right capstan rotates but the left one doesn't, the fault could be a belt. If both do not rotate, the fault is likely the motor. > 3) If caused by worn out drive belts, how many are there to replace? One capstan belt and one back tension belt. The latter has nothing to do with the capstans rotation. > 4) Can this problem also be caused by a worn out idler tire? Well, if by 'motor spindles' you actually meant the hubs (and your capstans do rotate), then yes. > 5) Has anyone heard of Electronic Service Labs in Wetherfield, CT.? > They claim to be an authorized Nakamichi repair center, who repairs old > Naks. Are they good? They are very good. Also, very pricey. > And finally, a more general question that I am curious about: > > What is (or was) the major difference (aside from price) between a CR-7A > and a Dragon, and which one sounds better? The dragon has several more features, such as auto reverse. Which sounds better is subjective. Consequently, you may hear as many different opinions as you will get replies. The Dragon tends to have a 'warmer' sound, while the CR-7 is more 'transparent' and 'analytical'. To *me*, the CR-7 is somewhat more preferable, but, bottom line, they are both excellent decks. -- Ron > I am using a Jeff Rowland > Model 5 amp, their Coherence One preamp and B&W Matrix 801 Series 2 > speakers). I have read that some people claim the cheaper CR-7A is a > better sounding machine. Any thoughts on this? > > Thanks to anyone who answers these questions. > > jmlevitz at yahoo.com > From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 17:52:07 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:52:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-3 - anything to look for? In-Reply-To: <51375.25440.bm@omp216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201173.992.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a CR3 and an MR1 which is teh BX300's cousin. Correct me if I'm wrong someone but the MR1 is just the pro version of the BX300. Pretty much the same electronics. The CR3 is not as good as the MR1 but the CR3 is much better than a 2 head deck and they sell for next to nothing. There was a CR3 sold on e-bay recently for under $100 US dollars, a steal! I bought my CR3 off of e-bay a few years ago for $110 US dollars. The only thing I had to do with it was a speed adjustment. Other than that it was, and still is in fine condition. If you get a CR3 for around $100 US dollars, you'll be happy. Bob N cjlovesjazz wrote: I've sometimes smiled when I've looked at the lists of Naks that some members own... But, the little devils are addictive and now I'm eyeing a CR-3E. I don't know how it would stack up against the better of my BX-300E's in objective terms (I know that the wow and flutter figures are slightly higher) and I don't think I'll have the idler wheel issue to consider (please correct me if I got that wrong). How good a deck is the CR-3 in members' subjective experience? And is there anything that I should look out for, weak spots or things that need to be checked before the deck gets heavy use? Any experience would be gratefully received. Thank you all. Chris ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 17:55:49 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:55:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Please advice: BX-125E -> dull sound In-Reply-To: <022620081251.24008.47C40B5300079E1D00005DC822120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <103219.80140.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andre, Andy is right. I had bought a reel to reel that had terrible high's in the reverse direction. I de-magged and it was a new machine! I jsut use a cheapie Radio Shack head de-mag that I had bought back in the 70's. Obviously works great! Cover all the basics first. Bob N hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: Hi, André: You mentioned that you had cleaned the heads, capstans, and rollers, but did you DEMAGNETIZE that area as well? Since your friend obviously did not take care of this machine, it's a good bet that he didn't demagnetize the heads. You would be amazed at the difference in sound quality once you demagnetize the heads with a good demagnetizing unit. That is the first thing I would check. Good Luck! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 18:00:17 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:00:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Please advice: BX-125E -> dull sound In-Reply-To: <47C444A0.1070703@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <425326.19302.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andre, Everyone should own a de-magnetizer so give that a try. Bob André Deurloo wrote: Hi *andy*, Luis, Jeff W, all others, Thank you for your replies. It seems to me I have several options. Demagnetizing, calibrating, head alignment. To me this all spells: W-O-R-K-S-H-O-P It is the only sensible option since I only have a big hammer and a couple of screwdrivers. The hammer for sure is no option, haha. And with screwdrivers but no scope, gauges, test tapes or multimeter I won't get anywhere else then in big trouble. I probably would be left with a parts deck, which is not my intention. So I contacted the retailer that sold the deck to my friend back in 1985. Waiting for a reply.... Will be back soon, André hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Hi, André: > > You mentioned that you had cleaned the heads, capstans, and rollers, but did you DEMAGNETIZE that area as well? > > Since your friend obviously did not take care of this machine, it's a good bet that he didn't demagnetize the heads. > > You would be amazed at the difference in sound quality once you demagnetize the heads with a good demagnetizing unit. > > That is the first thing I would check. > > Good Luck! > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Wed Feb 27 22:42:24 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:42:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak repair In-Reply-To: <777151.55143.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <200802221102.m1MB0hWC023717@zxe.naks.com> <777151.55143.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <013c01c87989$a68e6750$f3ab35f0$@utah.edu> Curious who was the ebayer offering service? Is it a shop or a hobbyist? Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak repair Hey All, I just want to toot someone's horn here. I don't think it's against the rules as I'm not selling anything or have any financial connection with this person-or was I asked to do this. *andy* here (as he sigs himself), has fixed two cassette decks for me. Now I know there are some world-class Nak techs here and I'm not disputing that at all. However, most of you have pretty lengthy turnaround times as well, because you ARE good techs, or have other full time jobs. What I CAN tell anyone interested in Nak repair is that *andy* here, is the real deal. Not only is he gifted in repair analysis, but he goes the extra distance to make sure your cassette deck tests out perfectly and he's gone through it for faults. I sent him a 'voodoo' RX-505 that really was possessed and hammed by previous owners. He had it figured out and working perfectly in about a week. I sent him a Pioneer CT-F900 that was supposedly *fixed* by an old-world tech in Utah that had advertised Pioneer repair on ebay and yet it was recording poorly. That guy was nothing more than a crook and I waited over six months to get fleeced. *andy* got to the root of that deck's problem in short order. We've corresponded a lot and I consider him my friend as well. His charges are extremely reasonable and he's 'old school' professional in every way. His turnaround time is short and he should be considered by all here for your Nak problem cases or just to tune up/calibrate-whatever. Plus, he's a very personable, likable guy as well and passionate about Naks. I don't mind trying to fix stuff myself (I support the spirit of that always), but honestly with his charges and his expertise, you can't go wrong. He's located in GA (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) and please don't use him just for free advice-that's what naktalk is for.;-) Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Wed Feb 27 23:45:23 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:45:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-3 - anything to look for? In-Reply-To: <005f01c8792c$ee962b80$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> References: <51375.25440.bm@omp216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <005f01c8792c$ee962b80$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <47C5E803.7010104@marrscommunications.com> Hello Chris, Welcome to Naktalk. I just want to add the CR-3 IS very good machine for the money. If you buy it, let me know. I will be happy to send you a set of belts for it FREE of CHARGE. Take Care. Fred M. Dave Bowley wrote: > Chris > > The CR3 is an excellent deck & avoids the idler tyre issue with its > nylon gears Sankyo drive. Usual issue for an infrequently used deck is > intermittent failure of the reel motor [periodic stop/start running] > but this can be renovated [sometimes] with the application of Deoxit > aerosol spray as the easiest short term fix. > Less sensitive to capstan belts fitment than the older mech decks & a > good set available & recommended from the Italian Ebay sellet > 'soft-it' for around £10 - 12 delivered. > > Hope this helps > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cjlovesjazz > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:39 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-3 - anything to look for? > > I've sometimes smiled when I've looked at the lists of Naks that > some members own... > > But, the little devils are addictive and now I'm eyeing a CR-3E. > I don't know how it would stack up against the better of my > BX-300E's in objective terms (I know that the wow and flutter > figures are slightly higher) and I don't think I'll have the idler > wheel issue to consider (please correct me if I got that wrong). > > How good a deck is the CR-3 in members' subjective experience? > And is there anything that I should look out for, weak spots or > things that need to be checked before the deck gets heavy use? > > Any experience would be gratefully received. 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URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Thu Feb 28 14:21:51 2008 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:21:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Alignment Gauge & Test Tapes In-Reply-To: <200802281100.m1SB07tc012958@zxe.naks.com> References: <200802281100.m1SB07tc012958@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD4232D070FD7@mail.mmsav.com> Hello All, In my former life I was a service manager/tech at two Nakamichi dealerships from 1978 thru 1999. Alas, the Hi-End market dried up in our area and so did both stores. The last dealership that I worked for offered to sell me their parts stock, service manuals, alignment tapes etc. I am currently working as a field service engineer at a commercial AV company but had set up my "HiFi-Hospital" in my garage. I have had quite a few old customers have found me and I've been able to keep their equipment in good shape. I was looking through some of my Nakamichi paperwork and found the letters that I got from Nakamichi when the second store that I worked at became an authorized service center. I've noticed some e-mails about alignment gauges so I've attached scans of the 1991 required alignment gauges and test tapes with pricing. I have not had any cassette decks appear on my bench in quite a while and was thinking about selling the DA09039 Tilt Check Gauge and the DA09092 Head Alignment Gauge. I also haven't used the DA09157 CD player test unit in some time. The alignment gauges were for the "diffused resonance transport" and the cd unit was for the CD and MB series cd players. If no one is interested I may eventually put them on eBay. I'll take some nice photos of them if anyone has interest and a fair offer. I have owned my own test gear and am pretty OC about it. I have the test tapes also but will hang onto those since they are 17-years old and I couldn't vouch for their accuracy. I have a handful of pressure rollers for the diffused resonance transports also. Thanks, Doug Guth, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 (864) 297-8533 -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 6:00 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 60, Issue 27 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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LOL *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Feb 28 15:42:08 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:42:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Series Question Message-ID: <022820081442.25011.47C6C840000829E7000061B322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> There is a 582 on eBay right now. According to the item description, the deck will record, but it will not play. I am assuming that this means that it WILL enter Play mode, but there is no output. This is probably the third time I have heard of a deck from the 580 series doing this. Was there some sort of circuitry flaw in the 580 series that eventually causes the deck to lose output in Play mode? It's just weird to see this once again, in the very same series. *andy* From mpl123 at xs4all.nl Thu Feb 28 18:34:24 2008 From: mpl123 at xs4all.nl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Deurloo?=) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:34:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Please advice: BX-125E -> dull sound Message-ID: <47C6F0A0.4010908@xs4all.nl> Hi all, Didn't hear anything at all from the retailer I contacted. Must be busy selling new stuff..., which I understand. BRW, you've all convinced me. Demagnetizing is something I can do. Actually a demagnetizer is a essential tool. I'll see if I can still get one here (The Netherlands) or if someone can at least borrow it to me and buy one later. André From phil05 at abv.bg Thu Feb 28 23:45:43 2008 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?windows-1251?B?wuDr5e3y6O0gz+Xt5eI=?=) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:45:43 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Pressure rollers Dragon, different tape travelling in reverse play Message-ID: <936392656.14472.1204238743624.JavaMail.nobody@mail53.abv.bg> Thank you, Kannan, Agreed. The reason of my problem is may be different? In the reverse play there is evident change of the tape travelling and position (height) to the PB, REC and erase heads – tape moves slightly in direction mechanism (without waving), in comparison to forward play. The heads height and azimuth are adjusted in forward play. Result is 5-7 db. and more lower level in reverse play, as in forward play of the same record, or of one 400 Hz 0 db record. I use modified casette with openings for observing the tape traveling. Tape guides with pressure rollers height adjustment is factory sealed and I think OK. Also heads tilt seems to be OK. Pivots are rotation of the arms and pressure rollers are free, pressure must be OK… The Dragon is in very good condition and not so much used. Is there any known reason, what can cause different tape travelling in reverse play? I saw also, that the take-up tape guides (left, respectively right), dependent of the play direction are moved (rotated) out from the tape movement so, that the guide section is not working, the tape is travelling only on the front broad surface of the guide module, without limiting from the guides. Is in this case always only one tape guide working - the supply guide - in both directions? Is this not worse, compared with the non-reverse silent mechanism as ZX9, LX5 and other with two fixed tape guides at the pressure rollers? Is this not the reason of the different tape travelling in both directions? I also checked the Dragon of my friend – near the same problem, but not so high…All perfect in forward play, tape not on the same place in reverse play, lower level. Is there any solution? Thank you in advance... >-------- Оригинално писмо -------- >От: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Относно: Re: [naktalk] Pressure rollers Dragon >До: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Изпратено на: Вторник, 2008, Февруари 19 15:42:11 EET >---------------------------------- > >Hi > Do not touch the pressure rollars in Dragon unless you have Nakamichi gauges/ tapes - this job is not an easy one - requires all Nak stuff to get it back to correct working state. Secondly check the pressure rollars pivot is moving freely and engages on to the capstan. I have not seen any pinch rollars going bad and would not require replacement unless it becomes hard. > Do everything else before coming to pinch rollars replacment - not required in most cases > Kannan > > >Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ wrote: > Please help me and my yesterday received Dragon. I have following question. > >Are (or must be) the Dragon pressure rollers with exact even surface, or slightly barrel ? shaped in the middle ? width of the barrel = tape width? My rollers are so. Is it possible, that this cause slippage? May be I have to replace them before to start something? 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From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 16:35:12 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:35:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak repair In-Reply-To: <200802281101.m1SB0dYC012990@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <803999.38343.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Victor, The "old world" tech who advertised on ebay was Thomas F Possche from Utah. He had a very complete, sad-sack story about working for a high-end analog stereo shop that went under due to the advent of digital. Whether the story is true or not is irrelevant, because the guy is a bum and a poser who can't deliver what he claims. Kevin > Me tech rssage: 10 > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:42:24 -0700 > From: "Victor Gabrenas" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak repair > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > Message-ID: > <013c01c87989$a68e6750$f3ab35f0$@utah.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Curious who was the ebayer offering service? Is it a > shop or a hobbyist? > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: > 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Kevin Fetner > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:12 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak repair > > Hey All, > I just want to toot someone's horn here. I don't > think > it's against the rules as I'm not selling anything > or > have any financial connection with this person-or > was > I asked to do this. *andy* here (as he sigs > himself), > has fixed two cassette decks for me. Now I know > there > are some world-class Nak techs here and I'm not > disputing that at all. However, most of you have > pretty lengthy turnaround times as well, because you > ARE good techs, or have other full time jobs. > > What I CAN tell anyone interested in Nak repair is > that *andy* here, is the real deal. Not only is he > gifted in repair analysis, but he goes the extra > distance to make sure your cassette deck tests out > perfectly and he's gone through it for faults. I > sent > him a 'voodoo' RX-505 that really was possessed and > hammed by previous owners. He had it figured out and > working perfectly in about a week. I sent him a > Pioneer CT-F900 that was supposedly *fixed* by an > old-world tech in Utah that had advertised Pioneer > repair on ebay and yet it was recording poorly. That > guy was nothing more than a crook and I waited over > six months to get fleeced. *andy* got to the root of > that deck's problem in short order. > > We've corresponded a lot and I consider him my > friend > as well. His charges are extremely reasonable and > he's > 'old school' professional in every way. His > turnaround > time is short and he should be considered by all > here > for your Nak problem cases or just to tune > up/calibrate-whatever. Plus, he's a very personable, > likable guy as well and passionate about Naks. I > don't > mind trying to fix stuff myself (I support the > spirit > of that always), but honestly with his charges and > his > expertise, you can't go wrong. He's located in GA > (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) > and please don't use him just for free advice-that's > what naktalk is for.;-) > > > Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From benstratford at aol.co.uk Fri Feb 29 01:05:34 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:05:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Series Question In-Reply-To: <022820081442.25011.47C6C840000829E7000061B322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <022820081442.25011.47C6C840000829E7000061B322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CA487DF0EEC8E8-258-2420@Webmail-mg03.sim.aol.com> Andy, I would bet that it was sat unused for a while and some caps have gone bad. Rgds, Ben -----Original Message----- From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 3:42 am Subject: [naktalk] 580 Series Question There is a 582 on eBay right now. According to the item description, the deck will record, but it will not play. I am assuming that this means that it WILL enter Play mode, but there is no output. This is probably the third time I have heard of a deck from the 580 series doing this. Was there some sort of circuitry flaw in the 580 series that eventually causes the deck to lose output in Play mode? It's just weird to see this once again, in the very same series. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Fri Feb 29 01:40:17 2008 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:40:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Series Question In-Reply-To: <022820081442.25011.47C6C840000829E7000061B322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Andy, I don't know if the 580's are like my 670ZX but... When I received my 670 it would play with no sound. If the light for the stop button is out it mutes the output. Fix the light, you have sound. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:42 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 580 Series Question There is a 582 on eBay right now. According to the item description, the deck will record, but it will not play. I am assuming that this means that it WILL enter Play mode, but there is no output. This is probably the third time I have heard of a deck from the 580 series doing this. Was there some sort of circuitry flaw in the 580 series that eventually causes the deck to lose output in Play mode? It's just weird to see this once again, in the very same series. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dougg at mmsav.com Fri Feb 29 17:56:01 2008 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:56:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Alignment Gauges, Test Tapes, etc In-Reply-To: <200802291100.m1TB06sW025984@zxe.naks.com> References: <200802291100.m1TB06sW025984@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD4232D07124B@mail.mmsav.com> Hello all, Thanks to all of you who wrote. I have been out in the field working and just got back to the office. I'm afraid that yesterday I opened Pandora's Box! I opened Outlook and was blown away by the number of e-mails regarding some or all of my Nakamichi parts, gauges, tapes, etc. I have talked with my wife wondering how to handle the shear number of offers that I have. We were thinking that the only fair way to handle this may be to offer each item separately on eBay. That way each person has a chance to get just what they want or need. Thanks again for writing! Doug Guth, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 (864) 297-8533 ------------- __O ----------- _\<, ---------- (_)/(_) p.s. The whole reason I thought of letting some of this seldom used gear go is that I'm saving for a new bicycle. My other addiction. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 6:00 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 60, Issue 29 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Fri Feb 29 01:52:38 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:52:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak repair In-Reply-To: <803999.38343.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <200802281101.m1SB0dYC012990@zxe.naks.com> <803999.38343.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c87a6d$647062d0$2d512870$@utah.edu> Hmmmm..never heard of him. I know quite a few techs in the Wasatch area. Most are good however......there some B.S.ers as well. Did he tell you the name of the shop? The shop here in SLC is total rip-off. Won't name the place but They are still in business. Vic -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:35 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak repair Victor, The "old world" tech who advertised on ebay was Thomas F Possche from Utah. He had a very complete, sad-sack story about working for a high-end analog stereo shop that went under due to the advent of digital. Whether the story is true or not is irrelevant, because the guy is a bum and a poser who can't deliver what he claims. Kevin > Me tech rssage: 10 > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:42:24 -0700 > From: "Victor Gabrenas" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak repair > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > Message-ID: > <013c01c87989$a68e6750$f3ab35f0$@utah.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Curious who was the ebayer offering service? Is it a > shop or a hobbyist? > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: > 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Kevin Fetner > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:12 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak repair > > Hey All, > I just want to toot someone's horn here. I don't > think > it's against the rules as I'm not selling anything > or > have any financial connection with this person-or > was > I asked to do this. *andy* here (as he sigs > himself), > has fixed two cassette decks for me. Now I know > there > are some world-class Nak techs here and I'm not > disputing that at all. However, most of you have > pretty lengthy turnaround times as well, because you > ARE good techs, or have other full time jobs. > > What I CAN tell anyone interested in Nak repair is > that *andy* here, is the real deal. Not only is he > gifted in repair analysis, but he goes the extra > distance to make sure your cassette deck tests out > perfectly and he's gone through it for faults. I > sent > him a 'voodoo' RX-505 that really was possessed and > hammed by previous owners. He had it figured out and > working perfectly in about a week. I sent him a > Pioneer CT-F900 that was supposedly *fixed* by an > old-world tech in Utah that had advertised Pioneer > repair on ebay and yet it was recording poorly. That > guy was nothing more than a crook and I waited over > six months to get fleeced. *andy* got to the root of > that deck's problem in short order. > > We've corresponded a lot and I consider him my > friend > as well. His charges are extremely reasonable and > he's > 'old school' professional in every way. His > turnaround > time is short and he should be considered by all > here > for your Nak problem cases or just to tune > up/calibrate-whatever. Plus, he's a very personable, > likable guy as well and passionate about Naks. I > don't > mind trying to fix stuff myself (I support the > spirit > of that always), but honestly with his charges and > his > expertise, you can't go wrong. He's located in GA > (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) > and please don't use him just for free advice-that's > what naktalk is for.;-) > > > Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri Feb 29 07:22:40 2008 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:22:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Alignment Gauge & Test Tapes In-Reply-To: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD4232D070FD7@mail.mmsav.com> References: <200802281100.m1SB07tc012958@zxe.naks.com> <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD4232D070FD7@mail.mmsav.com> Message-ID: <300680A811E641DC8EF589D7476C6F79@SonyLaptop> Hi Dough, we have to look with decks use the DA09039 Tilt Check Gauge and the DA09092 Head Alignment Gauge but it looks to me very intresting. What price do you ask for these Gauge's? Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Guth" To: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: Alignment Gauge & Test Tapes Hello All, In my former life I was a service manager/tech at two Nakamichi dealerships from 1978 thru 1999. Alas, the Hi-End market dried up in our area and so did both stores. The last dealership that I worked for offered to sell me their parts stock, service manuals, alignment tapes etc. I am currently working as a field service engineer at a commercial AV company but had set up my "HiFi-Hospital" in my garage. I have had quite a few old customers have found me and I've been able to keep their equipment in good shape. I was looking through some of my Nakamichi paperwork and found the letters that I got from Nakamichi when the second store that I worked at became an authorized service center. I've noticed some e-mails about alignment gauges so I've attached scans of the 1991 required alignment gauges and test tapes with pricing. I have not had any cassette decks appear on my bench in quite a while and was thinking about selling the DA09039 Tilt Check Gauge and the DA09092 Head Alignment Gauge. I also haven't used the DA09157 CD player test unit in some time. The alignment gauges were for the "diffused resonance transport" and the cd unit was for the CD and MB series cd players. If no one is interested I may eventually put them on eBay. I'll take some nice photos of them if anyone has interest and a fair offer. I have owned my own test gear and am pretty OC about it. I have the test tapes also but will hang onto those since they are 17-years old and I couldn't vouch for their accuracy. I have a handful of pressure rollers for the diffused resonance transports also. Thanks, Doug Guth, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 (864) 297-8533 -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 6:00 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 60, Issue 27 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2910 (20080228) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri Feb 29 07:24:55 2008 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:24:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Series Question In-Reply-To: <022820081442.25011.47C6C840000829E7000061B322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <022820081442.25011.47C6C840000829E7000061B322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2201C83ED3BF428998E39C60F729700A@SonyLaptop> Hi, as far as i know there is a lamp run out of life time. Replacing it must do the job. Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: [naktalk] 580 Series Question > > There is a 582 on eBay right now. > > According to the item description, the deck will record, but it will not > play. I am assuming that this means that it WILL enter Play mode, but > there is no output. > > This is probably the third time I have heard of a deck from the 580 series > doing this. > > Was there some sort of circuitry flaw in the 580 series that eventually > causes the deck to lose output in Play mode? > > It's just weird to see this once again, in the very same series. > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 2910 (20080228) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri Feb 29 08:39:54 2008 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:39:54 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon serials (which to choose) Message-ID: <1399.145.44.29.96.1204270794.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Hi all, tomorrow i have the possibility to buy a Dragon here in the Netherlands. It's only that i can choose from two decks. Who can tell me which one to buy. Both decks are in good working condition and both decks are very decent to look at. Do i have to consider serial numbers, or do i have to test some specific things on a Dragon? Regards Norman From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri Feb 29 16:48:33 2008 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:48:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] test In-Reply-To: <803999.38343.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <803999.38343.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0494FE748C8B41B99F949B2A678BC52E@SonyLaptop> sorry, test mail From phil05 at abv.bg Fri Feb 29 19:30:21 2008 From: phil05 at abv.bg (=?windows-1251?B?wuDr5e3y6O0gz+Xt5eI=?=) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:30:21 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Pressure rollers Dragon, different tape travelling in reverse play Message-ID: <1224689919.41398.1204309821061.JavaMail.nobody@mail51.abv.bg> Thank you very much, Bala I think, the reason is may be guide height, I checked, it seems they are not equal. Please one more question, if posiible - if I am not wrong, the height of the tape guides of the Dragon (also my ZX9, LX5) is not adjustable, so also described in the service manual. There are only fixed bushing on the top of the pivots, identify the arm and guide height... My 670 ZX has adjustment screws, not bushing and the guide height is adjustable, as in the service manual. Is there posiible to adjust the guide height in the Dragon? I thing is possible to find the gauges for the guides, but if it is not possible to make any adjustment...? Best regards >-------- Оригинално писмо -------- >От: Bala Ganesh Chandra >Относно: Re: Re: [naktalk] Pressure rollers Dragon, different tape travelling in reverse play >До: "Âàëåíòèí" "Ïåíåâ" >Изпратено на: Петък, 2008, Февруари 29 05:06:02 EET >---------------------------------- > >Hi, > > I would like to offer some guide here, but away from Naktalk. With the pinch roller assemblies moving freely, the next thing is to use a mirror tape or cut away tape. Usually, these machines are in need of some adjustment due to age. The Dragons I've worked on usually have this problem. Hence the best way is to get the pinch roller assemblies, the play and record heads height and azimuth properly adjusted. Without this, the mechanism usually does have an impediment with tape not travelling properly on reverse play. > > I suggest you get to someone who has a complement of the Nak jigs to perform these adjustments. > > Regards, > Bala > >Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ wrote: > >Thank you, Kannan, > >Agreed. The reason of my problem is may be different? In the reverse play there is evident change of the tape travelling and position (height) to the PB, REC and erase heads ? tape moves slightly in direction mechanism (without waving), in comparison to forward play. The heads height and azimuth are adjusted in forward play. Result is 5-7 db. and more lower level in reverse play, as in forward play of the same record, or of one 400 Hz 0 db record. > >I use modified casette with openings for observing the tape traveling. > >Tape guides with pressure rollers height adjustment is factory sealed and I think OK. Also heads tilt seems to be OK. > >Pivots are rotation of the arms and pressure rollers are free, pressure must be OK? > >The Dragon is in very good condition and not so much used. > >Is there any known reason, what can cause different tape travelling in reverse play? > >I saw also, that the take-up tape guides (left, respectively right), dependent of the play direction are moved (rotated) out from the tape movement so, that the guide section is not working, the tape is travelling only on the front broad surface of the guide module, without limiting from the guides. Is in this case always only one tape guide working - the supply guide - in both directions? Is this not worse, compared with the non-reverse silent mechanism as ZX9, LX5 and other with two fixed tape guides at the pressure rollers? > >Is this not the reason of the different tape travelling in both directions? > >I also checked the Dragon of my friend ? near the same problem, but not so high?All perfect in forward play, tape not on the same place in reverse play, lower level. > >Is there any solution? > >Thank you in advance... > > > >>-------- Îðèãèíàëíî ïèñìî -------- >>Îò: kannan srinivasaraghavan >>Îòíîñíî: Re: [naktalk] Pressure rollers Dragon >>Äî: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Èçïðàòåíî íà: Âòîðíèê, 2008, Ôåâðóàðè 19 15:42:11 EET >>---------------------------------- >> >>Hi >> Do not touch the pressure rollars in Dragon unless you have Nakamichi gauges/ tapes - this job is not an easy one - requires all Nak stuff to get it back to correct working state. Secondly check the pressure rollars pivot is moving freely and engages on to the capstan. I have not seen any pinch rollars going bad and would not require replacement unless it becomes hard. >> Do everything else before coming to pinch rollars replacment - not required in most cases >> Kannan >> >> >>Âàëåíòèí Ïåíåâ >wrote: >> Please help me and my yesterday received Dragon. I have following question. >> >>Are (or must be) the Dragon pressure rollers with exact even surface, or slightly barrel ? shaped in the middle ? width of the barrel = tape width? My rollers are so. Is it possible, that this cause slippage? May be I have to replace them before to start something? Thank you very much in advance! >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >> > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Ãëàñóâàé è ñïå÷åëè! Ãîäèøíè Àðò íàãðàäè íà Art.gbg.bg! >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >--------------------------------- >Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Гласувай и спечели! Годишни Арт награди на Art.gbg.bg! From lenaw at flash.net Fri Feb 29 21:53:49 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:53:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak repair In-Reply-To: <000f01c87a6d$647062d0$2d512870$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <877364.29343.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, that self proclaimed European Master Technican. He promised you a lot but never delivered. He will screw up your machine more than fix the problem it already had. Definitely a service person that should be avoided at all cost. Michael Victor Gabrenas wrote: Hmmmm..never heard of him. I know quite a few techs in the Wasatch area. Most are good however......there some B.S.ers as well. Did he tell you the name of the shop? The shop here in SLC is total rip-off. Won't name the place but They are still in business. Vic -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:35 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak repair Victor, The "old world" tech who advertised on ebay was Thomas F Possche from Utah. He had a very complete, sad-sack story about working for a high-end analog stereo shop that went under due to the advent of digital. Whether the story is true or not is irrelevant, because the guy is a bum and a poser who can't deliver what he claims. Kevin > Me tech rssage: 10 > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:42:24 -0700 > From: "Victor Gabrenas" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak repair > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > Message-ID: > <013c01c87989$a68e6750$f3ab35f0$@utah.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Curious who was the ebayer offering service? Is it a > shop or a hobbyist? > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: > 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Kevin Fetner > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:12 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak repair > > Hey All, > I just want to toot someone's horn here. I don't > think > it's against the rules as I'm not selling anything > or > have any financial connection with this person-or > was > I asked to do this. *andy* here (as he sigs > himself), > has fixed two cassette decks for me. Now I know > there > are some world-class Nak techs here and I'm not > disputing that at all. However, most of you have > pretty lengthy turnaround times as well, because you > ARE good techs, or have other full time jobs. > > What I CAN tell anyone interested in Nak repair is > that *andy* here, is the real deal. Not only is he > gifted in repair analysis, but he goes the extra > distance to make sure your cassette deck tests out > perfectly and he's gone through it for faults. I > sent > him a 'voodoo' RX-505 that really was possessed and > hammed by previous owners. He had it figured out and > working perfectly in about a week. I sent him a > Pioneer CT-F900 that was supposedly *fixed* by an > old-world tech in Utah that had advertised Pioneer > repair on ebay and yet it was recording poorly. That > guy was nothing more than a crook and I waited over > six months to get fleeced. *andy* got to the root of > that deck's problem in short order. > > We've corresponded a lot and I consider him my > friend > as well. His charges are extremely reasonable and > he's > 'old school' professional in every way. His > turnaround > time is short and he should be considered by all > here > for your Nak problem cases or just to tune > up/calibrate-whatever. Plus, he's a very personable, > likable guy as well and passionate about Naks. I > don't > mind trying to fix stuff myself (I support the > spirit > of that always), but honestly with his charges and > his > expertise, you can't go wrong. He's located in GA > (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) > and please don't use him just for free advice-that's > what naktalk is for.;-) > > > Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Fri Feb 29 22:16:54 2008 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:16:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Series Question In-Reply-To: <2201C83ED3BF428998E39C60F729700A@SonyLaptop> References: <022820081442.25011.47C6C840000829E7000061B322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <2201C83ED3BF428998E39C60F729700A@SonyLaptop> Message-ID: <112a7fe30802291316w438ed327o2067b40a639110a3@mail.gmail.com> Yes,that's the stop lamp issue On 2/29/08, Norman van Wijnen wrote: > Hi, > > as far as i know there is a lamp run out of life time. Replacing it must do > the job. > > Regards Norman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:42 PM > Subject: [naktalk] 580 Series Question > > > > > > There is a 582 on eBay right now. > > > > According to the item description, the deck will record, but it will not > > play. I am assuming that this means that it WILL enter Play mode, but > > there is no output. > > > > This is probably the third time I have heard of a deck from the 580 series > > doing this. > > > > Was there some sort of circuitry flaw in the 580 series that eventually > > causes the deck to lose output in Play mode? > > > > It's just weird to see this once again, in the very same series. > > > > > > *andy* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature database 2910 (20080228) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Feb 29 22:53:16 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:53:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon serials (which to choose) In-Reply-To: <1399.145.44.29.96.1204270794.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Message-ID: <467146.64102.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Check first how it plays on both directions an how fast it gets the correct Azimth, Check recording qualities - on a good metal tape. Check how the LEDs show Bias adjustment. Pick the one in these simple tests. If both seem to work fine choose the one with later serial number or one with better cosmetics kannan N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net wrote: Hi all, tomorrow i have the possibility to buy a Dragon here in the Netherlands. It's only that i can choose from two decks. Who can tell me which one to buy. Both decks are in good working condition and both decks are very decent to look at. Do i have to consider serial numbers, or do i have to test some specific things on a Dragon? Regards Norman ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Both decks are in good working condition and both decks are very > decent to look at. > > Do i have to consider serial numbers, or do i have to test some specific > things on a Dragon? > > Regards Norman > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jberger at well.com Fri Feb 29 23:42:05 2008 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:42:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: 580 Series Question (hwbosshoss@comcast.net) In-Reply-To: <200802291100.m1TB0MN1026016@zxe.naks.com> References: <200802291100.m1TB0MN1026016@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: The most likely cause of this is also a fairly simple fix; there is a small light bulb inside the 'Play' button that has burned out. When there is no current drawn through this, the output circuit is muted. It works when recording because it it also seeing the current flow through the bulb behind the "Rec' button. You can replace the bulb with another bulb, or with an LED and a resistor to mimic the load of the bulb. I don't have part numbers or values, but it has come up before, and should be somewhere in the archives. John > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:42:08 +0000 > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] 580 Series Question > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <022820081442.25011.47C6C840000829E7000061B322155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908 at comcast.net> > > > > There is a 582 on eBay right now. > > According to the item description, the deck will record, but it will not > play. I am assuming that this means that it WILL enter Play mode, but > there is no output. > > This is probably the third time I have heard of a deck from the 580 > series doing this. > > Was there some sort of circuitry flaw in the 580 series that eventually > causes the deck to lose output in Play mode? > > It's just weird to see this once again, in the very same series. > > > *andy* > g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2008\2008-January.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From jerry.mcphail at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 07:54:24 2008 From: jerry.mcphail at gmail.com (Jerry McPhail) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:54:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Microphone Recording on a Nakamichi 600 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Glynn, There are a lot of excellent mixers and microphones that could be used to record to your 600 via mikes. There is/was a list member, Kermit Gray, who has a particular passion for both the Nak 600 -- I think he has 5 or 6 of the Nak 600s, he loves the things -- and anything to do with mikes. He also did make a 3-ch mike mixer that was voiced to sound perfect with older Naks Ask for Model 77AN. I have a Nak 1000 (the original one) and a 550 plus one of his model 77AN mike mixers and have made damn near flawless recordings of my wife's violin trio with it, just as good as a reel-2-reel could make. Before I got the 77AN I had a Teac 2A mixer that did a great job too. I think if you ask Kermit he's probably still a big fan of AKG mikes. I have 3 Beyer M160 ribbon mikes that he recommended and I have to tell you there a perfect choice with the older Naks. If you talk to him, he'll regale you with stories of record albums he made the master tapes for using his 600 and the band though he'd had used a reel-2-reel! As for how to set yup mikes, Nakamicchi used to sell sets of 3 mikes and had a brochure on how to set up the mikes. I think the brochure is online I could send you a PDF of it. Also kerit has a mike setup he calls the bird foot that is wonderful. I've used both the Makamichi 3-mike setup and the bird foot and gotten wonderful sound. You'd be amazed how good a Nak cassette deck can sound with good mikes and a good mixer hung on it! On Dec 26, 2007 5:16 PM, Glynn Davies wrote: > I would like to record onto my Nak 600 through a mike but the only input > connections assume you are recording direct from an amplifier or receiver. > Does anyone know if I can record using a mike and how I should go about it. > > Thanks, Glynn Davies > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Jerry McPhail McPhail & Dunn Photography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Russ Seals wrote: I was on ebay and saw this tem number: 170132037793 at least lots of good reading --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 1 15:47:56 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 09:47:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <477A529C.3020401@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/31/2007 7:30:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > > If the owner's purpose is to sell off the deck and > he doesn't mind screwing some buyer, spraying the > cleaner may do it. In a month or two, the buyer > will curse him, but the buyer's money will be > safely in the seller's pocket, so who cares. OTOH, > the seller may decide to either rebuild the motor > or replace it and then fully disclose what's been > done, in which case he is golden... > > Hi Ron, > > Again, in my own experience, I have had at least 4 decks (2 CR-3's & 2 > BX-300's) for which the DeOxIt was a PERMANENT fix, right up to this > day. Everything that you and Scott say is very nice in theory, but it > does not match my own experience. That may well be. It is not surprising that our experiences do not match exactly. IME, a small percentage of rebuilt control motors fail again very quickly or immediately. Most rebuilt motors continue to run as new. SO, IME, Cleaning by squirting cleaning fluid from the outside was only partially successful. Opening up a motor that has been cleaned that way revealed that most of the tarnish coating the commutator had remained. I have never run a life test on cleaned vs. rebuilt motors (as, I suspect, never have you), I was merely offering an gut-level opinion, based om some experience. This is, more or less, akin to the different approaches of idler tire replacement. Each person finds the best way based on their experience. > In my memory, which is that of an old > man and maybe isn't so great, it is also you and Scott who advocate > changing all the orange caps in any given deck, and I think this kind of > advice is the kill-the-fly-with-an-RPG kind, which is likely to cause as > many problems as it solves with many deck owners. On the contrary. I am dead set against mass cap replacement and have made this opinion known. I believe that a fault should be diagnosed and then repaired. Mass replacement of parts (first choice of the uninitiated happens to be capacitors) is silly; mostly, because it's hit or miss. If the bad part happened to be a capacitor and if that bad capacitor happens to be one of the replaced capacitors, then the repair is successful. If the bad part is a resistor (statistically, higher probability) then replacing each and every cap in the unit will not fix the fault. > In my experience, a lot of the decks I have bought on eBay were ones the > previous owner tried to do a DIY fix on and failed. Then they sell it > on eBay. I have bought a lot of Nak decks which needed repair to > correct the repairs the previous owner had attempted. I have had > several decks which had failed cam motors, so I'm quite sure from my own > experience that if the DeOxIt doesn't work, you'll know it right away. I agree, but not when I consider the simplest approach to be inferior. For example, one of the required steps of a Sankyo transport routine maintenance should be lubrication of the capstan bearings. You can stand the deck on its tail and inject a drop of oil into each bearing. Takes half a minute. Or, you can remove the capstans, clean each bearing and let it soak up as much oil as it can. Takes at least half an hour. To my mind, this is the right way to do it. It's your right to claim otherwise. Peace, -- Ron > I would say flat out, always try the simplest fix first. If it doesn't > work, go to plan B. Let's wait to see if the CR-1 in question responds > to the DeOxIt well before suggesting a rebuild of the motor. > > Happy New Year > > Jeff From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jan 1 16:10:21 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:10:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What Do You Think? Message-ID: <010120081510.8490.477A57DD0001CB340000212A22155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Before I get down to business.... HAPPY NEW YEAR AND THE BEST TO YOU IN 2008! Now that that's taken care of, here are my thoughts, for what they are worth. Recently I was exchanging e-mails with a very nice fellow who lives abroad. We were discussing cassette decks and Nakamichi decks in particular. During our conversation, he said that he wished that he had bought a used CR-7A "back when they were only a couple of hundred bucks" but will now have to pay much more for one, "because over the years people have been discovering that digital isn't as satisfying as analog." That got me to thinking--which is ALWAYS a dangerous situation, according to my wife!...... Are people indeed drifting back over to analog in any significant numbers? Is there any sort of trend that any of you can perceive? Of course, I agree that analog is superior and far more satisfying to listen to. I see the iPod for the piece of AM radio junk that it is (yes, I know that it's convenient and sexy looking...but I just think mp3's sound like crap). But maybe I think this way simply because I'm a cranky old(er) man! LOL!! Yes, certain models of Nakamichi decks, as well as certain other pieces of audio gear, continue to sell for hundreds of dollars on eBay...but is this indicative of any sort of trend, or is it just that stereo nuts like us will always shell out big bucks if we get it in our heads that we want a certain piece of gear for our arsenal? AND NOW FOR MY RANT: In my opinion, I think the vast majority of people simply don't know--or have forgotten--how to listen--REALLY listen--to music. There was a time, even among the great unwashed masses of the public, that a home stereo system was a desired thing, designed to bring the full richness and beauty of music into one's home. Nowadays, for most people, music is nothing more than an insignificant background soundtrack to our lives, piped into our ears through uncomfortable, tinny little earphones while we rush to work and back home. And what about the quality of the music itself? We say that we like music, but its value only extends so far to being preferable to listening to the noise of the world around us. There seems to be no desire to connect to music any further than that. And why should we want to connect with music any further than that, when you consider the low quality of the majority of that music. The "artists" (I use this term VERY loosely here) that we listen to on our tinny little earphones more often than not are nothing more than manufactured pop/hip hop mannequins, with NO artistic integrity, NO unique talent, and NO significant lasting power. Looks and attitude are the order of the day, with actual talent and artistic growth taking a very distant back seat. Have you ever noticed how HUGE the latest album by some pop tart or hip hop gangsta wannabe is one minute, only to be completely forgotten the next minute? When was the last time you ever heard anyone SAY "Eminem", let alone play him? Today's music "artists" are completely disposable, literally DESIGNED to burn brightly one minute and then to be tossed out the back door the next, much like cheap fireworks. Yes, there are exceptions, there ARE artists of real integrity around, ma king incredible music, but these are never hyped nearly as much as the crap merchants are. No wonder the iPod is so popular. It fits right in with the mindset that so many people have. They listen to disposable crap, so why should it have to sound good? The only requirements for their "music" are these: 1) It's the latest, coolest thing, 2) It can be downloaded quickly and easily, and 3) It can be deleted when I need to make more room in my music file. I want no part of it. I will continue to listen to The Beatles (ever heard of them, kiddies?) on my "antiquated" equipment, quietly confident in the knowledge that not only am I listening to music that can stomp any current thing into the ground, but also that I am listening to it on equipment that can stomp any current plastic mp3 toy into the ground as well. END OF RANT! *andy* From enoyes at snet.net Tue Jan 1 16:26:04 2008 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:26:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem In-Reply-To: <498380.48117.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <498380.48117.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <477A5B8C.5000005@snet.net> I can't remember which it is, but there is a plug in connection on the main board which if disconnected will cause the motor to run continuously while still in place. Perhaps another member of this forum can shed more light on this. Ed Scott Johnson wrote: > Jeff, you forgot to mention that root of the problem is a dead spot > that has formed at that particular spot on the motor. Just spraying > it full of Dexoit won't do anything. You have to take the motor off > the transport so that it can run continuously and then run it for > several minutes after the Deoxit. The brushes will help to scrape > away the carbon deposits that have formed from the high current arcing > when the motor is enabled from a dead stop. The most effective way to > rejuvanate the motor is to take the motor apart. Put the rotating > part of the motor in a drill and while spinning it, gently sand the > commutator with fine grit sand paper. Lightly oil and reassemble. > > I think I have links to some pictures on my web site in the FAQ > section. www.nakremotes.com > > BTW - I really like the Stone Sound Studio link that David Thompson > sent out the other day. At the bottom it has a link to my Model List > web page with a note, "The most comprehensive list in the Galaxy > courtesy of Scott Johnson". Haha. I'm sure there is an even more > comprehensive list somewhere in this vast galaxy, maybe even on > this very small planet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Jan 1 16:53:59 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 10:53:59 EST Subject: [naktalk] What Do You Think? Message-ID: In a message dated 1/1/2008 7:38:51 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: RANT! *andy* DITTO! Jeff W **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Steven.Hong at AIG.com Tue Jan 1 17:17:31 2008 From: Steven.Hong at AIG.com (Hong, Steven) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 10:17:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680 belt or motor and Hi to the Nak Forum List Message-ID: <9329EF42789DB045814D4AA9256BF30F01D04ED6@XLIVPUB16bkup.aig.com> Hello to the Nak Forum from a newbie and longtime Nak Fan...!!! I found this site be accident after drooling over some Naks on ebay that I could not afford in my younger days, but may be able to swing now..!! (Alas, my wife is going to grad school soon, so I better mover fast!) My only personal experience with Naks was a sweet, but ill tempered CDC-3 CD Changer that gave up the ghost after only 2 years, and my local authorized dealer could not fix it after multiple attempts, as well as supposedly sending it back to Nakamichi. A good friend of mine has a Nak Dragon and 600, both non-functional, and I will direct him to this site for some good info about possible repair facilities. Anyway, my question to the list is this... there is a pristine 680 for sale on e-bay, but the owner says it works fine for fast fwd & rewind, but the transport won't function in the "play" mode.. the owner suggests that the unit just needs new belts. Does this sound kosher, or is it likely that there something else like burned out motor that is lurking in this deck's future repairs? (I am hoping perhaps DeOxit might be a potential cure for a stuck motor, but I realize it is impossible to speculate at this juncture) If it is a motor (instead of a belt), what would the ballpark repair cost be to get this fine looking deck up and running? Is this something that is easily done by an owner, or is it something best left to the pro's..?? Thanks Steve From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Jan 1 17:49:10 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 11:49:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What Do You Think? In-Reply-To: <010120081510.8490.477A57DD0001CB340000212A22155558849C9C01 089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <010120081510.8490.477A57DD0001CB340000212A22155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080101164908.XQBP24467.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> > Have you ever noticed how HUGE the latest album by some pop tart > or hip hop gangsta wannabe is one minute, only to be completely > forgotten the next minute? When was the last time you ever heard > anyone SAY "Eminem", Andy, I'll say!! I think 50 cent is now worth a nickel. hehehe Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 1 20:17:02 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:17:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What Do You Think? In-Reply-To: <010120081510.8490.477A57DD0001CB340000212A22155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <010120081510.8490.477A57DD0001CB340000212A22155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <477A91AE.1020507@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Before I get down to business.... > > HAPPY NEW YEAR AND THE BEST TO YOU IN 2008! same to you... >[....] AND NOW FOR MY RANT: In my opinion, I think the vast majority of people >simply don't know--or have forgotten--how to listen--REALLY listen--to music. >There was a time, even among the great unwashed masses of the public, that a home >stereo system was a desired thing, designed to bring the full richness and beauty >of music into one's home. > >Nowadays, for most people, music is nothing more than an insignificant background >soundtrack to our lives, piped into our ears through uncomfortable, tinny little >earphones while we rush to work and back home. Exactly the same observation was made by George Jessel (A great entertainer of the day), in the 1930s. Of course, he wasn't referring to Hi-Fi (that didn't even exist at the time), but to the nonchalance of people having a meal while Beethoven's 7th was playing on the radio as background music. Nothing new under the sun, eh? -- Ron From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Jan 1 20:41:29 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:41:29 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680 belt or motor and Hi to the Nak Forum List Message-ID: In a message dated 1/1/2008 11:07:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Steven.Hong at AIG.com writes: Hello to the Nak Forum from a newbie and longtime Nak Fan...!!! I found this site be accident after drooling over some Naks on ebay that I could not afford in my younger days, but may be able to swing now..!! (Alas, my wife is going to grad school soon, so I better mover fast!) My only personal experience with Naks was a sweet, but ill tempered CDC-3 CD Changer that gave up the ghost after only 2 years, and my local authorized dealer could not fix it after multiple attempts, as well as supposedly sending it back to Nakamichi. A good friend of mine has a Nak Dragon and 600, both non-functional, and I will direct him to this site for some good info about possible repair facilities. Anyway, my question to the list is this... there is a pristine 680 for sale on e-bay, but the owner says it works fine for fast fwd & rewind, but the transport won't function in the "play" mode.. the owner suggests that the unit just needs new belts. Does this sound kosher, or is it likely that there something else like burned out motor that is lurking in this deck's future repairs? (I am hoping perhaps DeOxit might be a potential cure for a stuck motor, but I realize it is impossible to speculate at this juncture) If it is a motor (instead of a belt), what would the ballpark repair cost be to get this fine looking deck up and running? Is this something that is easily done by an owner, or is it something best left to the pro's..?? Hi Steve, You might be better off buying one of the 680's or 680ZX's which are functional on eBay, rather than the one which is dead. "It needs new belts" is eBay code-talk for "this thing sucks and I'm trying to dump it." If you do decide to buy it, and it needs a motor, the cheapest way to get one is to use a 480 for a donor deck. They are plentiful and cheap. They often have broken eject mechanisms, so you can look for one which is functioning OK except for the eject switch. These often go in the $20 range. They share many parts with the 680. The 680 is a high-maintenance lady. Any repair needs to be done by someone who has a full set of Nak calibration tapes and gauges, as disassembling the transport generally requires re-calibaration afterward. Depending on where you live, there are several people on Nak talk that can do such a repair. When you actually know what's wrong with the deck, you can ask one of them for an estimate. Hope this helps. Jeff W **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Tue Jan 1 20:53:59 2008 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:53:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What Do You Think? In-Reply-To: <477A91AE.1020507@rcn.com> References: <010120081510.8490.477A57DD0001CB340000212A22155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <477A91AE.1020507@rcn.com> Message-ID: Well, at least Beethoven's Seventh goes with good food and wine. I fear Gangsta-Rap and similar disposible (to say nothing of mean-spirited) crap might induce projectile vomiting of those succulent lamb chops. Even if played on one of our precious Naks. Happy New Year to All. May it be rich in real music, faithfully reproduced by your favorite Nakamichi deck(s). Steve> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:17:02 -0500> From: ra.ah at rcn.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] What Do You Think?> > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote:> > Before I get down to business....> > > > HAPPY NEW YEAR AND THE BEST TO YOU IN 2008!> > same to you...> > >[....] AND NOW FOR MY RANT: In my opinion, I think the vast majority of people > >simply don't know--or have forgotten--how to listen--REALLY > listen--to music.> >There was a time, even among the great unwashed masses of the public, that a home > >stereo system was a desired thing, designed to bring the full > richness and beauty> >of music into one's home.> > > >Nowadays, for most people, music is nothing more than an insignificant background > >soundtrack to our lives, piped into our ears through > uncomfortable, tinny little> >earphones while we rush to work and back home.> > Exactly the same observation was made by George> Jessel (A great entertainer of the day), in the> 1930s. Of course, he wasn't referring to Hi-Fi> (that didn't even exist at the time), but to the> nonchalance of people having a meal while> Beethoven's 7th was playing on the radio as> background music.> > Nothing new under the sun, eh?> > -- Ron> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Jan 1 20:59:19 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:59:19 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem Message-ID: In a message dated 12/31/2007 6:38:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: I'm sorry if you felt I made you look like a complete moron or something. It was not my intent. I only wanted to expand on the Deoxit suggestion. My decks are buried in my system getting and getting one out is not an easy task. Once I do get around to taking it out and opening it up I want it to stay fixed. Hi Scott, Yeah, I think we should just try the DeOxIt first and then just take it from there. The rebuild might follow. BTW, I learned the DeOxIt fix from a guy who was shown how to do it at ESL, so even they use it. The guy who showed it to me lived in Florence, Massachusetts, which is driving distance from ESL. He took his CR-3 there with cam problems, and when he went to pick it up they explained to him what they had done. The tech showed him the cam motor and a 79 cent can of DeOxIt, and pointed out the slots in the cam motor. He told him to buy a can, in case the problem came back, which it did. The guy then DeOx-ed it himself and never had any more problem with it. Curiously, I had the opposite happen with ESL! They rebuilt a BX-300 for me which I had bought off eBay. Supposedly "mint", when it came there was obviously something wrong with both the control motor and reel motor. I had recently sent them a ZX-7 for rebuild, and decided I wanted them to repair the BX-300 too, as I wanted 1 good classic deck and 1 good direct drive deck. When the BX-300 came back a long time later, it still didn't work right - the cam was cycling through its stations and wouldn't work properly. ESL offers a good warranty so I wasn't too upset about that. I emailed Jeff Galin and told him what happened. I also mentioned that the meters no longer read correctly after the gear idler install, which at first he denied. To his credit, he got back to me later that day and told me that after doing thousands of gear-idler upgrades they had never noticed that there are actually 2 different reel-table sets, and they had installed the wrong one in my deck. I asked him if I should try DeOxIt in the cam motor, and he insisted in no uncertain terms that I absolutely should not do it to the replacement motor, as it wasn't the same as the original and could ruin it. The replacement cam motor had a very non-standard cap on it by the way, I think it was an electrolytic, but it's been a year since I looked at it and I'm not positive about that right now. When I sent the deck back to them, everything turned out well and I love that deck. They also did some modifications to the recording circuits too. Happy New Year Jeff W **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Jan 1 21:00:06 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:00:06 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem Message-ID: In a message dated 12/31/2007 6:38:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: I'm sorry if you felt I made you look like a complete moron or something. It was not my intent. I only wanted to expand on the Deoxit suggestion. My decks are buried in my system getting and getting one out is not an easy task. Once I do get around to taking it out and opening it up I want it to stay fixed. Hi Scott, Yeah, I think we should just try the DeOxIt first and then just take it from there. The rebuild might follow. BTW, I learned the DeOxIt fix from a guy who was shown how to do it at ESL, so even they use it. The guy who showed it to me lived in Florence, Massachusetts, which is driving distance from ESL. He took his CR-3 there with cam problems, and when he went to pick it up they explained to him what they had done. The tech showed him the cam motor and a 79 cent can of DeOxIt, and pointed out the slots in the cam motor. He told him to buy a can, in case the problem came back, which it did. The guy then DeOx-ed it himself and never had any more problem with it. Curiously, I had the opposite happen with ESL! They rebuilt a BX-300 for me which I had bought off eBay. Supposedly "mint", when it came there was obviously something wrong with both the control motor and reel motor. I had recently sent them a ZX-7 for rebuild, and decided I wanted them to repair the BX-300 too, as I wanted 1 good classic deck and 1 good direct drive deck. When the BX-300 came back a long time later, it still didn't work right - the cam was cycling through its stations and wouldn't work properly. ESL offers a good warranty so I wasn't too upset about that. I emailed Jeff Galin and told him what happened. I also mentioned that the meters no longer read correctly after the gear idler install, which at first he denied. To his credit, he got back to me later that day and told me that after doing thousands of gear-idler upgrades they had never noticed that there are actually 2 different reel-table sets, and they had installed the wrong one in my deck. I asked him if I should try DeOxIt in the cam motor, and he insisted in no uncertain terms that I absolutely should not do it to the replacement motor, as it wasn't the same as the original and could ruin it. The replacement cam motor had a very non-standard cap on it by the way, I think it was an electrolytic, but it's been a year since I looked at it and I'm not positive about that right now. When I sent the deck back to them, everything turned out well and I love that deck. They also did some modifications to the recording circuits too. Happy New Year Jeff W ____________________________________ See AOL's _top rated recipes_ (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) and _easy ways to stay in shape_ (http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aoltop00030000000003) for winter. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk Tue Jan 1 22:40:00 2008 From: nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk (nigel vernon) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:40:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What Do You Think? In-Reply-To: <010120081510.8490.477A57DD0001CB340000212A22155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <010120081510.8490.477A57DD0001CB340000212A22155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Totally agree Andy. So that probably makes me an old fart as well as you. Younger people have great difficulty in being still for any length of time let alone sitting and listening to music. Seems that the attention span is gradually getting less and less. Ask how many of them will sit down and read a book...not many. Plus it takes effort and application to put a record onto a t/table, a cassette into a recorder etc etc. Most of the ipod crew just can't be bothered, it's too much like hard work! It takes an exceptional person to actually swim against the tide and trust their judgement through their own experience. I suppose it is all about thinking for oneself and realising that the only valid experience is our own not what someone else has told us to believe. Which is why some of us love analogue so much, because our own experience has shown it to be more musically engaging and satisfying. Mind you, I know plenty of older people who are almost as bad. Perhaps trying to be cool and acceptable to younger people. Me? I am quite happy to be regarded as antiquated and will continue to listen to records and record onto cassette or open reel and I don't give a damn. My own teenage kids actually think me cool and so do their friends. Some of whom have never seen a t/table,cassette deck or open reel before. I could go on and on and on.... Nigel > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Tue Jan 1 23:55:21 2008 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:55:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What Do You Think? In-Reply-To: <010120081510.8490.477A57DD0001CB340000212A22155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <010120081510.8490.477A57DD0001CB340000212A22155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Andy, for some thought-provoking points regarding why we stalwarts cling to our multiple Nakamichi's. And right on, regarding the disposible mindless crap that passes for "music" these days. And, like, Andy, before "getting down to business" may I second the New Year's greeting to all who make this such a groovy place to visit, and certainly to Wouter, without whose tireless work in our behalf, there would be no such place to ask our questions, learn more about our wonderful "throwbacks," and certainly air our views. May I trot out a few of mine... I have read SO many comparisons...comparisons of tape formulations and minute examinations of differences in sound character between decks, usually those in the Nak "stratosphere." Please do not think me smug in saying this, but some of these learned discussions have struck me as humorous, and perhaps a wee bit misguided. I base this on the fact that, over many, many years as a professional user of tape, including open reel, my experience has been that, given proper bias AND level calibration, a properly functioning Nakamichi can produce indistinguishable results when comparing input to tape (using three-head decks) over high resolution monitor speakers, no matter what tape you feed it. Beyond that, I've also been delighted with the results of more modest 2-head Naks, when their recordings are played back in-sync with CDs, via separate faders on the mixing console in my studio. (My thanks to Tom Brucker for his meticulous work on a CR-1A I entrusted to him perhaps a year ago for allowing me to draw that conclusion regarding 2-headed Naks.) My point? In all of the back and forth I've read over which deck is "sweeter," more "clinically accurate"...what have you...I do not think I've read anything about the effects of Dolby-B or -C in mucking up the sound, when improperly calibrated. And what a Pandora's Box we open when multiple Naks, perhaps aligned with different test tapes or by different technicians, are part of the equation! Case in point: We make a recording, using either Dolby-B or -C on, say, a properly tuned CR-7A. We do the Auto-Calibration, and are totally satisfied in confidence monitoring between Input and Tape that we've made a superbly accurate recording of, shall we say, a fine symphonic recording. Lots of range and a good representative spectrum of lows, mids, and highs. Or perhaps a film score recording that combines traditional orchestra with some synth effects, thus requiring the deck to handle high frequencies and transients at much higher levels. We listen to that recording...let's say on Maxell UD-XLII Type II tape, so as not to be too exotic...and remark "Damn, I'm so glad I'm invested in Nakamichi" or some similar expression of auditory joy. But then (since we are truly into vintage Nakamichi!) we play that same tape back on, say, an RX-505. Also 3-head, also high up the scale. Now, THAT Nakamichi came from eBay or some other second-hand source. On opening the box, we've determined that the RX-505 (like the CR-7A) produces just splendid sounding recordings that are indistinguishable from the original when switching between Input and Tape, and that it must, therefore, have been as meticulously maintained as one of our "own" Naks. Now, for the sake of argument, we are playing the RX-505 through the same electronics, into the same high-resolution monitor speakers. The tape from the CR-7A sounds somehow "not right." Perhaps it's muddy, or the strings don't have the same "sheen" or "silkiness" as noted when making the recording on the CR-7A. Let's assume, we've cleaned and de-magged the heads on both machines. Done all the "obvious" stuff like checking PB EQ on the RX-505 (i.e. setting 120 or 70 to correspond with the tape). Let's also assume that azimuth is identical between the two decks -- often a cause of "sonic differences," especially in the high frequencies. Now, we ARE talking about well-maintained high-end Naks here, with good heads, premium tape formulations, etc. What in the world is wrong here??? As someone with substantially more Naks than just a CR-7A and an RX-505, you may imagine how frustration levels grow exponentially when trying to resolve these differences. Or, perhaps you have a bunch of those wonderful Nak demo tapes from sources such as Telarc and Sheffield. They were recorded at one-to-one speed ratio on high end Nak decks. But that silky high end you KNOW is there is missing on one or more of your decks that -- when checked unto itself, i.e. A-B'd between Input and Tape -- sounded just fine! I submit that a sadly overlooked criterion of Nak (or any other quality deck's) performance is the proper calibration of levels, input-to-off-tape AND proper meter calibration to DOLBY LEVEL. I further submit, mismatches or misadjustments in these areas do far more to stir the pot than sitting around wondering, for example, if UD-XL II is really "better" or "more accurate" than TDK SA-X. Improper internal levels are definitely going to muck with Dolby response aubibly so in Dolby-B, annoyingly so in Dolby-C, with its greater range and amount of processing. You can count on this happening, no matter how carefully you've set your recording levels, and whether your deck has Auto-Cal or manual settings. These differences will most certainly be magnified when using two or more decks that have different internal calibrations. Dolby is set up to operate with specific "Dolby-Levels" if it is going to perform as designed. Anyone who tells you Dolby "dulls" response is operating without proper knowledge of that sysyem, has a mis-calibrated deck, or both. I am old enough to remember using Dolby-B with open-reel equipment. To take a good example...A Revox A-77 with an external Advent 100 or 100A Dolby encode/decode box. The Revox had commendably broad and flat response, even at 3-3/4 ips. The only drawback to true hi-fi response at the lower tape speed was...tape hiss. By adding Dolby-B, I was able to make superb three-hour air-checks or other music recordings using 3M-207 Low Noise tape on 10.5" NAB reels. What's more, they sounded equally fine on the second A-77, playing through a second Advent Dolby unit. Why has this not been my (and perhaps your) experience with multiple Naks? For one thing, Advent, in their wisdom, wrote a superb owner's manual for the 100 and 100A Dolby units. They explained both the theory of Dolby NR and the need to calibrate your deck to the Dolby meters on the Advent unit. In other words, before recording, you hit the tape with Dolby tone (400 Hz) and validated proper meter readings on the Dolby unit. For added assurance, you'd leave that Dolby tone at the top of each tape to assure flatness/compatibility on a different deck. Perhaps we all had more time back then (before all this mp3/ipod "instant gratification") to "fiddle" with stuff like this. But I do know that any of those tapes will play back superbly on any open reel deck that has flat response, as long as I take the 20 seconds or so to align the Advent (or Nakamichi NR-200) Dolby meters. Please pardon the long exposition, but I have a hunch if I've experienced this flawed compatibility on multiple Nak decks, it's just got to have happened with many on this forum. I'm not a tech (nor do I play one on TV), but I would like to submit this issue to those in the group who are. I'll bet many of you could pick up where I leave off and offer some valuable guidance. Oh, by the way...one local tech blew this issue off. He told me the best way to avoid the issue is "not to use Dolby." Kinda like saying you'll get 75% as good performance in a Ferrari by de-tuning the engine to run on 87 Octane fuel. True, perhaps, but not quite why you bought the Ferrari. Hell, if I wanted to listen to hissy tapes, I could go back to the Revox at 3-3/4 ips with no Dolby. Needless to say, that tech no longer works on my Naks. BTW, I have to think, also, that aligning a Nak to a "rest-of-world IEC-II" PB alignment tape makes it, by definition, a less accurate player of Nak-standard recordings -- Another invitation to non-compatibility. So, with the hope I haven't opened an insoluble can-o-worms, I put the issue before my group-mates: How to deal with what is a real-world problem in terms of getting uniformly excellent response from our Nak-recorded tapes on multiple Nak decks. Thanks...and, again, Happy New Year to all. Steve > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:10:21 +0000> Subject: [naktalk] What Do You Think?> > > Before I get down to business....> > HAPPY NEW YEAR AND THE BEST TO YOU IN 2008!> > Now that that's taken care of, here are my thoughts, for what they are worth.> > Recently I was exchanging e-mails with a very nice fellow who lives abroad. We were discussing cassette decks and Nakamichi decks in particular.> > During our conversation, he said that he wished that he had bought a used CR-7A "back when they were only a couple of hundred bucks" but will now have to pay much more for one, "because over the years people have been discovering that digital isn't as satisfying as analog."> > That got me to thinking--which is ALWAYS a dangerous situation, according to my wife!......> > Are people indeed drifting back over to analog in any significant numbers? Is there any sort of trend that any of you can perceive?> > Of course, I agree that analog is superior and far more satisfying to listen to. I see the iPod for the piece of AM radio junk that it is (yes, I know that it's convenient and sexy looking...but I just think mp3's sound like crap). > > But maybe I think this way simply because I'm a cranky old(er) man! LOL!!> > Yes, certain models of Nakamichi decks, as well as certain other pieces of audio gear, continue to sell for hundreds of dollars on eBay...but is this indicative of any sort of trend, or is it just that stereo nuts like us will always shell out big bucks if we get it in our heads that we want a certain piece of gear for our arsenal?> > AND NOW FOR MY RANT: In my opinion, I think the vast majority of people simply don't know--or have forgotten--how to listen--REALLY listen--to music. There was a time, even among the great unwashed masses of the public, that a home stereo system was a desired thing, designed to bring the full richness and beauty of music into one's home. > > Nowadays, for most people, music is nothing more than an insignificant background soundtrack to our lives, piped into our ears through uncomfortable, tinny little earphones while we rush to work and back home. And what about the quality of the music itself? We say that we like music, but its value only extends so far to being preferable to listening to the noise of the world around us. There seems to be no desire to connect to music any further than that. > > And why should we want to connect with music any further than that, when you consider the low quality of the majority of that music. The "artists" (I use this term VERY loosely here) that we listen to on our tinny little earphones more often than not are nothing more than manufactured pop/hip hop mannequins, with NO artistic integrity, NO unique talent, and NO significant lasting power. Looks and attitude are the order of the day, with actual talent and artistic growth taking a very distant back seat. Have you ever noticed how HUGE the latest album by some pop tart or hip hop gangsta wannabe is one minute, only to be completely forgotten the next minute? When was the last time you ever heard anyone SAY "Eminem", let alone play him? Today's music "artists" are completely disposable, literally DESIGNED to burn brightly one minute and then to be tossed out the back door the next, much like cheap fireworks. Yes, there are exceptions, there ARE artists of real integrity aro!> und, ma> king incredible music, but these are never hyped nearly as much as the crap merchants are. > > No wonder the iPod is so popular. It fits right in with the mindset that so many people have. They listen to disposable crap, so why should it have to sound good? The only requirements for their "music" are these: 1) It's the latest, coolest thing, 2) It can be downloaded quickly and easily, and 3) It can be deleted when I need to make more room in my music file.> > I want no part of it. I will continue to listen to The Beatles (ever heard of them, kiddies?) on my "antiquated" equipment, quietly confident in the knowledge that not only am I listening to music that can stomp any current thing into the ground, but also that I am listening to it on equipment that can stomp any current plastic mp3 toy into the ground as well.> > END OF RANT!> > *andy*> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 2 03:28:01 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:28:01 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem Message-ID: I checked out DeOxit at Fry's Electronics today. It sells for $24.99. Is this the place to buy this stuff? From: Bansijeff at aol.comDate: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:00:06 -0500Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problemTo: naktalk at naks.com In a message dated 12/31/2007 6:38:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, p9019 at yahoo.com writes: I'm sorry if you felt I made you look like a complete moron or something. It was not my intent. I only wanted to expand on the Deoxit suggestion. My decks are buried in my system getting and getting one out is not an easy task. Once I do get around to taking it out and opening it up I want it to stay fixed. Hi Scott, Yeah, I think we should just try the DeOxIt first and then just take it from there. The rebuild might follow. BTW, I learned the DeOxIt fix from a guy who was shown how to do it at ESL, so even they use it. The guy who showed it to me lived in Florence, Massachusetts, which is driving distance from ESL. He took his CR-3 there with cam problems, and when he went to pick it up they explained to him what they had done. The tech showed him the cam motor and a 79 cent can of DeOxIt, and pointed out the slots in the cam motor. He told him to buy a can, in case the problem came back, which it did. The guy then DeOx-ed it himself and never had any more problem with it. Curiously, I had the opposite happen with ESL! They rebuilt a BX-300 for me which I had bought off eBay. Supposedly 'mint', when it came there was obviously something wrong with both the control motor and reel motor. I had recently sent them a ZX-7 for rebuild, and decided I wanted them to repair the BX-300 too, as I wanted 1 good classic deck and 1 good direct drive deck. When the BX-300 came back a long time later, it still didn't work right - the cam was cycling through its stations and wouldn't work properly. ESL offers a good warranty so I wasn't too upset about that. I emailed Jeff Galin and told him what happened. I also mentioned that the meters no longer read correctly after the gear idler install, which at first he denied. To his credit, he got back to me later that day and told me that after doing thousands of gear-idler upgrades they had never noticed that there are actually 2 different reel-table sets, and they had installed the wrong one in my deck. I asked him if I should try DeOxIt in the cam motor, and he insisted in no uncertain terms that I absolutely should not do it to the replacement motor, as it wasn't the same as the original and could ruin it. The replacement cam motor had a very non-standard cap on it by the way, I think it was an electrolytic, but it's been a year since I looked at it and I'm not positive about that right now. When I sent the deck back to them, everything turned out well and I love that deck. They also did some modifications to the recording circuits too. Happy New Year Jeff W See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. _________________________________________________________________ i’m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Jan 2 06:24:53 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 05:24:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] What Do You Think? In-Reply-To: References: <010120081510.8490.477A57DD0001CB340000212A22155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Bravo Steve! Nice & extremely well explained post! Have a nice & prosperous 2008 Year, Peace, Alex! From: emberphoto at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] What Do You Think?Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 17:55:21 -0500 Thanks, Andy, for some thought-provoking points regarding why we stalwarts cling to our multiple Nakamichi's. And right on, regarding the disposible mindless crap that passes for "music" these days. And, like, Andy, before "getting down to business" may I second the New Year's greeting to all who make this such a groovy place to visit, and certainly to Wouter, without whose tireless work in our behalf, there would be no such place to ask our questions, learn more about our wonderful "throwbacks," and certainly air our views. May I trot out a few of mine... I have read SO many comparisons...comparisons of tape formulations and minute examinations of differences in sound character between decks, usually those in the Nak "stratosphere." Please do not think me smug in saying this, but some of these learned discussions have struck me as humorous, and perhaps a wee bit misguided. I base this on the fact that, over many, many years as a professional user of tape, including open reel, my experience has been that, given proper bias AND level calibration, a properly functioning Nakamichi can produce indistinguishable results when comparing input to tape (using three-head decks) over high resolution monitor speakers, no matter what tape you feed it. Beyond that, I've also been delighted with the results of more modest 2-head Naks, when their recordings are played back in-sync with CDs, via separate faders on the mixing console in my studio. (My thanks to Tom Brucker for his meticulous work on a CR-1A I entrusted to him perhaps a year ago for allowing me to draw that conclusion regarding 2-headed Naks.) My point? In all of the back and forth I've read over which deck is "sweeter," more "clinically accurate"...what have you...I do not think I've read anything about the effects of Dolby-B or -C in mucking up the sound, when improperly calibrated. And what a Pandora's Box we open when multiple Naks, perhaps aligned with different test tapes or by different technicians, are part of the equation! Case in point: We make a recording, using either Dolby-B or -C on, say, a properly tuned CR-7A. We do the Auto-Calibration, and are totally satisfied in confidence monitoring between Input and Tape that we've made a superbly accurate recording of, shall we say, a fine symphonic recording. Lots of range and a good representative spectrum of lows, mids, and highs. Or perhaps a film score recording that combines traditional orchestra with some synth effects, thus requiring the deck to handle high frequencies and transients at much higher levels. We listen to that recording...let's say on Maxell UD-XLII Type II tape, so as not to be too exotic...and remark "Damn, I'm so glad I'm invested in Nakamichi" or some similar expression of auditory joy. But then (since we are truly into vintage Nakamichi!) we play that same tape back on, say, an RX-505. Also 3-head, also high up the scale. Now, THAT Nakamichi came from eBay or some other second-hand source. On opening the box, we've determined that the RX-505 (like the CR-7A) produces just splendid sounding recordings that are indistinguishable from the original when switching between Input and Tape, and that it must, therefore, have been as meticulously maintained as one of our "own" Naks. Now, for the sake of argument, we are playing the RX-505 through the same electronics, into the same high-resolution monitor speakers. The tape from the CR-7A sounds somehow "not right." Perhaps it's muddy, or the strings don't have the same "sheen" or "silkiness" as noted when making the recording on the CR-7A. Let's assume, we've cleaned and de-magged the heads on both machines. Done all the "obvious" stuff like checking PB EQ on the RX-505 (i.e. setting 120 or 70 to correspond with the tape). Let's also assume that azimuth is identical between the two decks -- often a cause of "sonic differences," especially in the high frequencies. Now, we ARE talking about well-maintained high-end Naks here, with good heads, premium tape formulations, etc. What in the world is wrong here??? As someone with substantially more Naks than just a CR-7A and an RX-505, you may imagine how frustration levels grow exponentially when trying to resolve these differences. Or, perhaps you have a bunch of those wonderful Nak demo tapes from sources such as Telarc and Sheffield. They were recorded at one-to-one speed ratio on high end Nak decks. But that silky high end you KNOW is there is missing on one or more of your decks that -- when checked unto itself, i.e. A-B'd between Input and Tape -- sounded just fine! I submit that a sadly overlooked criterion of Nak (or any other quality deck's) performance is the proper calibration of levels, input-to-off-tape AND proper meter calibration to DOLBY LEVEL. I further submit, mismatches or misadjustments in these areas do far more to stir the pot than sitting around wondering, for example, if UD-XL II is really "better" or "more accurate" than TDK SA-X. Improper internal levels are definitely going to muck with Dolby response aubibly so in Dolby-B, annoyingly so in Dolby-C, with its greater range and amount of processing. You can count on this happening, no matter how carefully you've set your recording levels, and whether your deck has Auto-Cal or manual settings. These differences will most certainly be magnified when using two or more decks that have different internal calibrations. Dolby is set up to operate with specific "Dolby-Levels" if it is going to perform as designed. Anyone who tells you Dolby "dulls" response is operating without proper knowledge of that sysyem, has a mis-calibrated deck, or both. I am old enough to remember using Dolby-B with open-reel equipment. To take a good example...A Revox A-77 with an external Advent 100 or 100A Dolby encode/decode box. The Revox had commendably broad and flat response, even at 3-3/4 ips. The only drawback to true hi-fi response at the lower tape speed was...tape hiss. By adding Dolby-B, I was able to make superb three-hour air-checks or other music recordings using 3M-207 Low Noise tape on 10.5" NAB reels. What's more, they sounded equally fine on the second A-77, playing through a second Advent Dolby unit. Why has this not been my (and perhaps your) experience with multiple Naks? For one thing, Advent, in their wisdom, wrote a superb owner's manual for the 100 and 100A Dolby units. They explained both the theory of Dolby NR and the need to calibrate your deck to the Dolby meters on the Advent unit. In other words, before recording, you hit the tape with Dolby tone (400 Hz) and validated proper meter readings on the Dolby unit. For added assurance, you'd leave that Dolby tone at the top of each tape to assure flatness/compatibility on a different deck. Perhaps we all had more time back then (before all this mp3/ipod "instant gratification") to "fiddle" with stuff like this. But I do know that any of those tapes will play back superbly on any open reel deck that has flat response, as long as I take the 20 seconds or so to align the Advent (or Nakamichi NR-200) Dolby meters. Please pardon the long exposition, but I have a hunch if I've experienced this flawed compatibility on multiple Nak decks, it's just got to have happened with many on this forum. I'm not a tech (nor do I play one on TV), but I would like to submit this issue to those in the group who are. I'll bet many of you could pick up where I leave off and offer some valuable guidance. Oh, by the way...one local tech blew this issue off. He told me the best way to avoid the issue is "not to use Dolby." Kinda like saying you'll get 75% as good performance in a Ferrari by de-tuning the engine to run on 87 Octane fuel. True, perhaps, but not quite why you bought the Ferrari. Hell, if I wanted to listen to hissy tapes, I could go back to the Revox at 3-3/4 ips with no Dolby. Needless to say, that tech no longer works on my Naks. BTW, I have to think, also, that aligning a Nak to a "rest-of-world IEC-II" PB alignment tape makes it, by definition, a less accurate player of Nak-standard recordings -- Another invitation to non-compatibility. So, with the hope I haven't opened an insoluble can-o-worms, I put the issue before my group-mates: How to deal with what is a real-world problem in terms of getting uniformly excellent response from our Nak-recorded tapes on multiple Nak decks. Thanks...and, again, Happy New Year to all. Steve > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:10:21 +0000> Subject: [naktalk] What Do You Think?> > > Before I get down to business....> > HAPPY NEW YEAR AND THE BEST TO YOU IN 2008!> > Now that that's taken care of, here are my thoughts, for what they are worth.> > Recently I was exchanging e-mails with a very nice fellow who lives abroad. We were discussing cassette decks and Nakamichi decks in particular.> > During our conversation, he said that he wished that he had bought a used CR-7A "back when they were only a couple of hundred bucks" but will now have to pay much more for one, "because over the years people have been discovering that digital isn't as satisfying as analog."> > That got me to thinking--which is ALWAYS a dangerous situation, according to my wife!......> > Are people indeed drifting back over to analog in any significant numbers? Is there any sort of trend that any of you can perceive?> > Of course, I agree that analog is superior and far more satisfying to listen to. I see the iPod for the piece of AM radio junk that it is (yes, I know that it's convenient and sexy looking...but I just think mp3's sound like crap). > > But maybe I think this way simply because I'm a cranky old(er) man! LOL!!> > Yes, certain models of Nakamichi decks, as well as certain other pieces of audio gear, continue to sell for hundreds of dollars on eBay...but is this indicative of any sort of trend, or is it just that stereo nuts like us will always shell out big bucks if we get it in our heads that we want a certain piece of gear for our arsenal?> > AND NOW FOR MY RANT: In my opinion, I think the vast majority of people simply don't know--or have forgotten--how to listen--REALLY listen--to music. There was a time, even among the great unwashed masses of the public, that a home stereo system was a desired thing, designed to bring the full richness and beauty of music into one's home. > > Nowadays, for most people, music is nothing more than an insignificant background soundtrack to our lives, piped into our ears through uncomfortable, tinny little earphones while we rush to work and back home. And what about the quality of the music itself? We say that we like music, but its value only extends so far to being preferable to listening to the noise of the world around us. There seems to be no desire to connect to music any further than that. > > And why should we want to connect with music any further than that, when you consider the low quality of the majority of that music. The "artists" (I use this term VERY loosely here) that we listen to on our tinny little earphones more often than not are nothing more than manufactured pop/hip hop mannequins, with NO artistic integrity, NO unique talent, and NO significant lasting power. Looks and attitude are the order of the day, with actual talent and artistic growth taking a very distant back seat. Have you ever noticed how HUGE the latest album by some pop tart or hip hop gangsta wannabe is one minute, only to be completely forgotten the next minute? When was the last time you ever heard anyone SAY "Eminem", let alone play him? Today's music "artists" are completely disposable, literally DESIGNED to burn brightly one minute and then to be tossed out the back door the next, much like cheap fireworks. Yes, there are exceptions, there ARE artists of real integrity aro!> und, ma> king incredible music, but these are never hyped nearly as much as the crap merchants are. > > No wonder the iPod is so popular. It fits right in with the mindset that so many people have. They listen to disposable crap, so why should it have to sound good? The only requirements for their "music" are these: 1) It's the latest, coolest thing, 2) It can be downloaded quickly and easily, and 3) It can be deleted when I need to make more room in my music file.> > I want no part of it. I will continue to listen to The Beatles (ever heard of them, kiddies?) on my "antiquated" equipment, quietly confident in the knowledge that not only am I listening to music that can stomp any current thing into the ground, but also that I am listening to it on equipment that can stomp any current plastic mp3 toy into the ground as well.> > END OF RANT!> > *andy*> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_122007 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Steven.Hong at AIG.com Wed Jan 2 06:44:38 2008 From: Steven.Hong at AIG.com (Hong, Steven) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:44:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] What Do You Think? Message-ID: <9329EF42789DB045814D4AA9256BF30F01D04ED8@XLIVPUB16bkup.aig.com> Hi Andy, your impressions of the current state of Hi fidelity are spot on...!! Just the day before I discovered the Nak list, I stumbled across this article in Rolling Stone that brings up some of the very same points you mentioned, as well as some others that I found interesting, especially the current music industry production practice of digitally compressing music, with the aim of satisfying those who listen primarily thru I-pod like ear-buds or computer speakers. Stereophile supposedly printed an article along a similar vein, but I can't locate it right now. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/17777619/the_death_of_high_fidelity I don't recall if I had ever really noticed music being digitally "compressed" before (and badly), until I heard "T-Rex's" classic "Bang a Gong" fed from my digital cable box thru my stereo last nite. Wow... at 1st I was grooving cause I hadn't heard the song in a loooong time... but then I noticed all the power and emotion of song had been sucked out of it, because the softer passages were just about as loud as the rest of the song. It just didn't sound "right", if you know what I mean. I think that those of us who are lucky enough to have access to decent to very good analogue playback systems, or at least blessed with good enough memories of how good analogue playback can be, are definitely in the minority. Digital CD Playback was seemingly such a leap forward for most folks (who did not have the time, interest, financial wherewithal, etc to invest in good analogue systems), as well as the push by the major manufacturers to market cheap digital playback systems has led the gullible masses to our current sorry state of affairs in the Hi Fidelity Industry. I was in Best Buy about a year ago, looking to finally replace my college stereo system dating from the late 70's, and could not believe the crap they were selling, nor the line of BS the salespeople were laying on shoppers. Even the supposedly High End Audio store where I bought my Nak CD Player many moons ago had transformed itself into a purveyor of Home Theater systems, and had virtually no stereo systems to listen to. I instead went for slightly more modern late 80's and early 90's vintage stereo equipment off of ebay, and am now a happy camper. Or at least I will be, once I acquire a nice Nak for my rack! Happy New Year -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Wed Jan 2 11:36:28 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 04:36:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] What Do You Think? In-Reply-To: References: <010120081510.8490.477A57DD0001CB340000212A22155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <477B692C.5030701@marrscommunications.com> EXCELLENT STEVE! YOU ARE TRULY ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH, THAT DOES SEE THE FOREST! MOST PEOPLE CAN'T SEE THE FOREST, FOR THE TREES! EXCELLENT! FRED MARRS Steve Ember wrote: > Thanks, Andy, for some thought-provoking points regarding why we > stalwarts cling to our multiple Nakamichi's. And right on, regarding > the disposible mindless crap that passes for "music" these days. > > And, like, Andy, before "getting down to business" may I second the > New Year's greeting to all who make this such a groovy place to visit, > and certainly to Wouter, without whose tireless work in our behalf, > there would be no such place to ask our questions, learn more about > our wonderful "throwbacks," and certainly air our views. > > May I trot out a few of mine... > > I have read SO many comparisons...comparisons of tape formulations and > minute examinations of differences in sound character between decks, > usually those in the Nak "stratosphere." Please do not think me smug > in saying this, but some of these learned discussions have struck me > as humorous, and perhaps a wee bit misguided. > > I base this on the fact that, over many, many years as a professional > user of tape, including open reel, my experience has been that, given > proper bias AND level calibration, a properly functioning Nakamichi > can produce indistinguishable results when comparing input to tape > (using three-head decks) over high resolution monitor speakers, no > matter what tape you feed it. Beyond that, I've also been delighted > with the results of more modest 2-head Naks, when their recordings are > played back in-sync with CDs, via separate faders on the mixing > console in my studio. (My thanks to Tom Brucker for his meticulous > work on a CR-1A I entrusted to him perhaps a year ago for allowing me > to draw that conclusion regarding 2-headed Naks.) > > My point? In all of the back and forth I've read over which deck is > "sweeter," more "clinically accurate"...what have you...I do not think > I've read anything about the effects of Dolby-B or -C in mucking up > the sound, when improperly calibrated. And what a Pandora's Box we > open when multiple Naks, perhaps aligned with different test tapes or > by different technicians, are part of the equation! > > Case in point: We make a recording, using either Dolby-B or -C on, > say, a properly tuned CR-7A. We do the Auto-Calibration, and are > totally satisfied in confidence monitoring between Input and Tape that > we've made a superbly accurate recording of, shall we say, a fine > symphonic recording. Lots of range and a good representative spectrum > of lows, mids, and highs. Or perhaps a film score recording that > combines traditional orchestra with some synth effects, thus requiring > the deck to handle high frequencies and transients at much higher > levels. We listen to that recording...let's say on Maxell UD-XLII > Type II tape, so as not to be too exotic...and remark "Damn, I'm so > glad I'm invested in Nakamichi" or some similar expression of auditory > joy. > > But then (since we are truly into vintage Nakamichi!) we play that > same tape back on, say, an RX-505. Also 3-head, also high up the > scale. Now, THAT Nakamichi came from eBay or some other second-hand > source. On opening the box, we've determined that the RX-505 (like > the CR-7A) produces just splendid sounding recordings that are > indistinguishable from the original when switching between Input and > Tape, and that it must, therefore, have been as meticulously > maintained as one of our "own" Naks. > > Now, for the sake of argument, we are playing the RX-505 through the > same electronics, into the same high-resolution monitor speakers. The > tape from the CR-7A sounds somehow "not right." Perhaps it's muddy, > or the strings don't have the same "sheen" or "silkiness" as noted > when making the recording on the CR-7A. > > Let's assume, we've cleaned and de-magged the heads on both machines. > Done all the "obvious" stuff like checking PB EQ on the RX-505 (i.e. > setting 120 or 70 to correspond with the tape). Let's also assume that > azimuth is identical between the two decks -- often a cause of "sonic > differences," especially in the high frequencies. > > Now, we ARE talking about well-maintained high-end Naks here, with > good heads, premium tape formulations, etc. > > What in the world is wrong here??? > > As someone with substantially more Naks than just a CR-7A and an > RX-505, you may imagine how frustration levels grow exponentially when > trying to resolve these differences. Or, perhaps you have a bunch of > those wonderful Nak demo tapes from sources such as Telarc and > Sheffield. They were recorded at one-to-one speed ratio on high end > Nak decks. But that silky high end you KNOW is there is missing on > one or more of your decks that -- when checked unto itself, i.e. A-B'd > between Input and Tape -- sounded just fine! > > I submit that a sadly overlooked criterion of Nak (or any other > quality deck's) performance is the proper calibration of levels, > input-to-off-tape AND proper meter calibration to DOLBY LEVEL. > > I further submit, mismatches or misadjustments in these areas do far > more to stir the pot than sitting around wondering, for example, if > UD-XL II is really "better" or "more accurate" than TDK SA-X. > > Improper internal levels are definitely going to muck with Dolby > response aubibly so in Dolby-B, annoyingly so in Dolby-C, with its > greater range and amount of processing. You can count on this > happening, no matter how carefully you've set your recording levels, > and whether your deck has Auto-Cal or manual settings. These > differences will most certainly be magnified when using two or more > decks that have different internal calibrations. > > Dolby is set up to operate with specific "Dolby-Levels" if it is going > to perform as designed. Anyone who tells you Dolby "dulls" response > is operating without proper knowledge of that sysyem, has a > mis-calibrated deck, or both. > > I am old enough to remember using Dolby-B with open-reel equipment. > To take a good example...A Revox A-77 with an external Advent 100 or > 100A Dolby encode/decode box. The Revox had commendably broad and > flat response, even at 3-3/4 ips. The only drawback to true hi-fi > response at the lower tape speed was...tape hiss. By adding Dolby-B, > I was able to make superb three-hour air-checks or other music > recordings using 3M-207 Low Noise tape on 10.5" NAB reels. What's > more, they sounded equally fine on the second A-77, playing through a > second Advent Dolby unit. > > Why has this not been my (and perhaps your) experience with multiple Naks? > > For one thing, Advent, in their wisdom, wrote a superb owner's manual > for the 100 and 100A Dolby units. They explained both the theory of > Dolby NR and the need to calibrate your deck to the Dolby meters on > the Advent unit. In other words, before recording, you hit the tape > with Dolby tone (400 Hz) and validated proper meter readings on the > Dolby unit. For added assurance, you'd leave that Dolby tone at the > top of each tape to assure flatness/compatibility on a different deck. > > Perhaps we all had more time back then (before all this mp3/ipod > "instant gratification") to "fiddle" with stuff like this. But I do > know that any of those tapes will play back superbly on any open reel > deck that has flat response, as long as I take the 20 seconds or so to > align the Advent (or Nakamichi NR-200) Dolby meters. > > Please pardon the long exposition, but I have a hunch if I've > experienced this flawed compatibility on multiple Nak decks, it's just > got to have happened with many on this forum. > > I'm not a tech (nor do I play one on TV), but I would like to submit > this issue to those in the group who are. I'll bet many of you could > pick up where I leave off and offer some valuable guidance. > > Oh, by the way...one local tech blew this issue off. He told me the > best way to avoid the issue is "not to use Dolby." Kinda like saying > you'll get 75% as good performance in a Ferrari by de-tuning the > engine to run on 87 Octane fuel. True, perhaps, but not quite why you > bought the Ferrari. Hell, if I wanted to listen to hissy tapes, I > could go back to the Revox at 3-3/4 ips with no Dolby. > > Needless to say, that tech no longer works on my Naks. > > BTW, I have to think, also, that aligning a Nak to a "rest-of-world > IEC-II" PB alignment tape makes it, by definition, a less accurate > player of Nak-standard recordings -- Another invitation to > non-compatibility. > > So, with the hope I haven't opened an insoluble can-o-worms, I put the > issue before my group-mates: How to deal with what is a real-world > problem in terms of getting uniformly excellent response from our > Nak-recorded tapes on multiple Nak decks. > > Thanks...and, again, Happy New Year to all. > > Steve > > > > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 15:10:21 +0000 > > Subject: [naktalk] What Do You Think? > > > > > > Before I get down to business.... > > > > HAPPY NEW YEAR AND THE BEST TO YOU IN 2008! > > > > Now that that's taken care of, here are my thoughts, for what they > are worth. > > > > Recently I was exchanging e-mails with a very nice fellow who lives > abroad. We were discussing cassette decks and Nakamichi decks in > particular. > > > > During our conversation, he said that he wished that he had bought a > used CR-7A "back when they were only a couple of hundred bucks" but > will now have to pay much more for one, "because over the years people > have been discovering that digital isn't as satisfying as analog." > > > > That got me to thinking--which is ALWAYS a dangerous situation, > according to my wife!...... > > > > Are people indeed drifting back over to analog in any significant > numbers? Is there any sort of trend that any of you can perceive? > > > > Of course, I agree that analog is superior and far more satisfying > to listen to. I see the iPod for the piece of AM radio junk that it is > (yes, I know that it's convenient and sexy looking...but I just think > mp3's sound like crap). > > > > But maybe I think this way simply because I'm a cranky old(er) man! > LOL!! > > > > Yes, certain models of Nakamichi decks, as well as certain other > pieces of audio gear, continue to sell for hundreds of dollars on > eBay...but is this indicative of any sort of trend, or is it just that > stereo nuts like us will always shell out big bucks if we get it in > our heads that we want a certain piece of gear for our arsenal? > > > > AND NOW FOR MY RANT: In my opinion, I think the vast majority of > people simply don't know--or have forgotten--how to listen--REALLY > listen--to music. There was a time, even among the great unwashed > masses of the public, that a home stereo system was a desired thing, > designed to bring the full richness and beauty of music into one's home. > > > > Nowadays, for most people, music is nothing more than an > insignificant background soundtrack to our lives, piped into our ears > through uncomfortable, tinny little earphones while we rush to work > and back home. And what about the quality of the music itself? We say > that we like music, but its value only extends so far to being > preferable to listening to the noise of the world around us. There > seems to be no desire to connect to music any further than that. > > > > And why should we want to connect with music any further than that, > when you consider the low quality of the majority of that music. The > "artists" (I use this term VERY loosely here) that we listen to on our > tinny little earphones more often than not are nothing more than > manufactured pop/hip hop mannequins, with NO artistic integrity, NO > unique talent, and NO significant lasting power. Looks and attitude > are the order of the day, with actual talent and artistic growth > taking a very distant back seat. Have you ever noticed how HUGE the > latest album by some pop tart or hip hop gangsta wannabe is one > minute, only to be completely forgotten the next minute? When was the > last time you ever heard anyone SAY "Eminem", let alone play him? > Today's music "artists" are completely disposable, literally DESIGNED > to burn brightly one minute and then to be tossed out the back door > the next, much like cheap fireworks. Yes, there are exceptions, there > ARE artists of real integrity aro! > > und, ma > > king incredible music, but these are never hyped nearly as much as > the crap merchants are. > > > > No wonder the iPod is so popular. It fits right in with the mindset > that so many people have. They listen to disposable crap, so why > should it have to sound good? The only requirements for their "music" > are these: 1) It's the latest, coolest thing, 2) It can be downloaded > quickly and easily, and 3) It can be deleted when I need to make more > room in my music file. > > > > I want no part of it. I will continue to listen to The Beatles (ever > heard of them, kiddies?) on my "antiquated" equipment, quietly > confident in the knowledge that not only am I listening to music that > can stomp any current thing into the ground, but also that I am > listening to it on equipment that can stomp any current plastic mp3 > toy into the ground as well. > > > > END OF RANT! > > > > *andy* > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 2 13:50:21 2008 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:50:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Happy New Year / What Do You Think / Dolby Calibration Message-ID: <200801021251.m02CoTEn007586@zxe.naks.com> Happy New Year to list members - I feel guilty lurking on the list with two BX-300E's in mothballs, but at least I still have them... I totally agree with Andy's comments about disposable music and sexy but throwaway kit. I'm as keen on flashy gadgets as many people younger than I, but in the last two years I've invested in some older hi-fi (including the aforesaid Naks) and I'm finding that it gives me immense pleasure - more than a media card full of MP3, WMA or AAC files. My most recent acquisition is a British-built Arcam Alpha 6 amplifier and while it sounds very enjoyable using CD, SACD and digital radio, it comes into its own when I'm using vinyl, cassette and VCR (and believe me, my analog sources would not be thought of as high-end). This revelation has made me want to put my "good" BX-300E back into my main system. It also makes me want to repair my "poorly" BX-300E. And it's here that I find myself nodding and smiling when I read Steve Ember's comments about Dolby calibration. I've had years of listening to well-maintained, good quality cassette decks where much of the life went out of the music when Dolby B was used. It was only when I got my first Nak that I realised Dolby B is *not* a barrier to natural-sounding music, with tangible "air" in there, in a credible soundstage. Now that really WAS a revelation. Some patient list members may remember my attempts to make Nak #2 sound as good as Nak #1 - and I reckon I narrowed the problem down to Dolby miscalibration. I've not got the skills yet to resolve this problem by my own efforts (and maybe there are other factors which I'm currently unaware of that are affecting the sound) but I would like to get to the bottom of it and prove this point conclusively to myself. I'd like 2008 to be the year that I go back to listening to music and *not* to my gear. I know that with thoroughbred equipment a "set-it-and-forget-it" situation is not always possible but that's my aim. Best wishes Chris Mann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Jan 2 17:22:55 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:22:55 EST Subject: FW: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem Message-ID: In a message dated 1/2/2008 1:18:38 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mark8559 at hotmail.com writes: I checked out DeOxit at Fry's Electronics today. It sells for $24.99. Is this the place to buy this stuff? There's at several different types of it - I'm looking at a 5-oz can on my shelf of "D-5" which I bought at Fry's for $13. There's also a mini-can which sells for 79 cents, but those are always sold out. It's all you need. Maybe you can call around. Jeff W **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 2 16:58:21 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:58:21 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem Message-ID: <13846725.1199289501875.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 2 19:19:33 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:19:33 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] What Do You Think? Message-ID: <13268875.1199297973221.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danzone7 at aol.com Wed Jan 2 20:39:41 2008 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:39:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] "Never Been Used" Nakamichi Dragon for sale in San Francisco? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <020301c84d77$389adfa0$0307a8c0@DR1> First, Happy New Year ... to Wouter and everyone at Naktalk! This is a truly great forum. I wanted to let everyone know that someone in San Francisco is selling a Nakamichi Dragon on Craigslist (asking $800), it was posted this morning about 2 hours ago: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ele/525988084.html The seller describes it as "Never been used", however there it is sitting out of the box in the photo. I have my own complement of Naks and I am not looking for a Dragon, so I have not called the seller to ask any questions. My first question would be how it is that a 20+ year old premium cassette deck got out of the box but has never been plugged in, or had a cassette run through it to even see if it works. Hard to tell anything from the teeny little picture, but it certainly looks nice and even the box looks in great shape. Hopefully it is not a scam and it is all that they say it is, and someone who can savor the virtues of this magnificent machine can get this into their collection. If the seller is a member of Naktalk, please let us know. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Jan 2 21:28:52 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:28:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] "Never Been Used" Nakamichi Dragon for sale in San Francisco? In-Reply-To: <020301c84d77$389adfa0$0307a8c0@DR1> References: <020301c84d77$389adfa0$0307a8c0@DR1> Message-ID: <20080102202854.FDTV129.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> This post has been deleted from craiglist by the author 2008, you wrote: >First, Happy New Year > >... to Wouter and everyone at Naktalk! This is a truly great forum. > >I wanted to let everyone know that someone in San Francisco is >selling a Nakamichi Dragon on Craigslist (asking $800), it was >posted this morning about 2 hours ago: > >http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ele/525988084.html > >The seller describes it as "Never been used", however there it is >sitting out of the box in the photo. I have my own complement of >Naks and I am not looking for a Dragon, so I have not called the >seller to ask any questions. My first question would be how it is >that a 20+ year old premium cassette deck got out of the box but has >never been plugged in, or had a cassette run through it to even see >if it works. Hard to tell anything from the teeny little picture, >but it certainly looks nice and even the box looks in great shape. > >Hopefully it is not a scam and it is all that they say it is, and >someone who can savor the virtues of this magnificent machine can >get this into their collection. If the seller is a member of >Naktalk, please let us know. > >Dan > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Jan 3 05:27:53 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 04:27:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] "Never Been Used" Nakamichi Dragon for sale in San Francisco? In-Reply-To: <020301c84d77$389adfa0$0307a8c0@DR1> References: <020301c84d77$389adfa0$0307a8c0@DR1> Message-ID: Hello Dan! Sorry the post was removed...that is what I got when I tray to see the post!? Have a nice 2008 year! Cheers, Alex! From: danzone7 at aol.comTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:39:41 -0800Subject: [naktalk] "Never Been Used" Nakamichi Dragon for sale in San Francisco? First, Happy New Year ... to Wouter and everyone at Naktalk! This is a truly great forum. I wanted to let everyone know that someone in San Francisco is selling a Nakamichi Dragon on Craigslist (asking $800), it was posted this morning about 2 hours ago: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ele/525988084.html The seller describes it as "Never been used", however there it is sitting out of the box in the photo. I have my own complement of Naks and I am not looking for a Dragon, so I have not called the seller to ask any questions. My first question would be how it is that a 20+ year old premium cassette deck got out of the box but has never been plugged in, or had a cassette run through it to even see if it works. Hard to tell anything from the teeny little picture, but it certainly looks nice and even the box looks in great shape. Hopefully it is not a scam and it is all that they say it is, and someone who can savor the virtues of this magnificent machine can get this into their collection. If the seller is a member of Naktalk, please let us know. Dan _________________________________________________________________ i’m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Jan 4 05:10:37 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:10:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: What do you think? In-Reply-To: <200801031101.m03B1Bxm004746@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <832601.26841.qm@web60519.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Andy, I agree with all of that. The thing is, it's all about convenience, hype and accessibility...period. Look at auto commercials. The auto makers have laid out BILLIONS in studies that show what male drives want and what soccer moms MUST have. They sell cars and truck with the fervor and conviction of zealot preachers. Same thing with music I'm afraid. And to some extent I can see why song piracy has taken hold. $20 something for a CD when it could be downloaded for nothing or little. And most artists these days strain for a quality album throughout. Actually, that's always been problematic-putting together an entire album of substance and staying within your record contract. Now the trend is buying just the songs you want. So you have lazy listeners and lazy artists, coupled with the fact that almost anybody can now record & digitize a CD album in a spare room. I have friends who are turning out CDs to sell (with graphics and everything) and I don't consider them 'artists', but weekend amateurs. I think it will be the death of everything we hold sacred in the music industry, but if the younger population wants it that way, one song at a time... And further, analog is dead to them. Remember the 'convenience' thing? Well, it's ITunes and Mp3's these days as you say. They're not going to take the time to set up a proper home stereo system like we do, without some mentoring. In a society hurtling 300mph towards some lost ideal, ad 'hype' and 'accessibility' take over. But....I find that with young people, if you turn them on to analog in just the right way, they are absolutely blown away. In the overall scheme of things, the converts might add enough numbers, along with ours, to keep analog going. The 20 and 30 somethings that are into analog that I know, are REALLY into it. Except for the DVD-A and SACD war, which has no clear 'winner', overall music quality to the masses (as reproduced digitally) is poor. Depending on what bit rate you use in loss-less compression, you can overcome many problems with digital, but we're early in the game with all of this and CD-R storage longevity is not looking good..... To me, there was always the distinct possibility of mating analog with digital, but since we tend to trash previous mediums as a society for 'new', analog was almost lost. I have hope though, that the high-end analog audio 'pluses' are just to great to fade into oblivion and will continue to thrive for many generations to come. Kevin Before I get down to business.... > > > > HAPPY NEW YEAR AND THE BEST TO YOU IN 2008! > > > > Now that that's taken care of, here are my thoughts, for what they > are worth. > > > > Recently I was exchanging e-mails with a very nice fellow who lives > abroad. We were discussing cassette decks and Nakamichi decks in > particular. > > > > During our conversation, he said that he wished that he had bought a > used CR-7A "back when they were only a couple of hundred bucks" but > will now have to pay much more for one, "because over the years people > have been discovering that digital isn't as satisfying as analog." > > > > That got me to thinking--which is ALWAYS a dangerous situation, > according to my wife!...... > > > > Are people indeed drifting back over to analog in any significant > numbers? Is there any sort of trend that any of you can perceive? > > > > Of course, I agree that analog is superior and far more satisfying > to listen to. I see the iPod for the piece of AM radio junk that it is > (yes, I know that it's convenient and sexy looking...but I just think > mp3's sound like crap). > > > > But maybe I think this way simply because I'm a cranky old(er) man! > LOL!! > > > > Yes, certain models of Nakamichi decks, as well as certain other > pieces of audio gear, continue to sell for hundreds of dollars on > eBay...but is this indicative of any sort of trend, or is it just that > stereo nuts like us will always shell out big bucks if we get it in > our heads that we want a certain piece of gear for our arsenal? > > > > AND NOW FOR MY RANT: In my opinion, I think the vast majority of > people simply don't know--or have forgotten--how to listen--REALLY > listen--to music. There was a time, even among the great unwashed > masses of the public, that a home stereo system was a desired thing, > designed to bring the full richness and beauty of music into one's home. > > > > Nowadays, for most people, music is nothing more than an > insignificant background soundtrack to our lives, piped into our ears > through uncomfortable, tinny little earphones while we rush to work > and back home. And what about the quality of the music itself? We say > that we like music, but its value only extends so far to being > preferable to listening to the noise of the world around us. There > seems to be no desire to connect to music any further than that. > > > > And why should we want to connect with music any further than that, > when you consider the low quality of the majority of that music. The > "artists" (I use this term VERY loosely here) that we listen to on our > tinny little earphones more often than not are nothing more than > manufactured pop/hip hop mannequins, with NO artistic integrity, NO > unique talent, and NO significant lasting power. Looks and attitude > are the order of the day, with actual talent and artistic growth > taking a very distant back seat. Have you ever noticed how HUGE the > latest album by some pop tart or hip hop gangsta wannabe is one > minute, only to be completely forgotten the next minute? When was the > last time you ever heard anyone SAY "Eminem", let alone play him? > Today's music "artists" are completely disposable, literally DESIGNED > to burn brightly one minute and then to be tossed out the back door > the next, much like cheap fireworks. Yes, there are exceptions, there > ARE artists of real integrity aro! > > und, ma > > king incredible music, but these are never hyped nearly as much as > the crap merchants are. > > > > No wonder the iPod is so popular. It fits right in with the mindset > that so many people have. They listen to disposable crap, so why > should it have to sound good? The only requirements for their "music" > are these: 1) It's the latest, coolest thing, 2) It can be downloaded > quickly and easily, and 3) It can be deleted when I need to make more > room in my music file. > > > > I want no part of it. I will continue to listen to The Beatles (ever > heard of them, kiddies?) on my "antiquated" equipment, quietly > confident in the knowledge that not only am I listening to music that > can stomp any current thing into the ground, but also that I am > listening to it on equipment that can stomp any current plastic mp3 > toy into the ground as well. > > > > END OF RANT! > > > > *andy* ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Jan 4 22:48:27 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 16:48:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 Message-ID: <20080104214828.FJOK476.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> I just love my Dragon to pieces and as Richard Hess puts it, the Dragon is the number deck for playback with its NAAC. I'd agree. Okay, I recently wanted to play with a reel to reel and bought an Otari MX5050 MKIII-2. Wonderful machine and it plays commercial tapes just fine and I've never recorded with it yet. Tape prices, commercial recorded and recording tape prices are just out of sight. The other object that is out of sight are the prices for a Dragon and easily topping $1000. Out of my budget. However, I just love analog and plan to buy another cassette deck in a few months. Is the RX505 a close second to the Dragon as far as recording? I understand the it does not have the NAAC. Also, doesn't the RX have the standard Nakamichi transport and not the Sankyo? Roland From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jan 4 23:54:26 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:54:26 EST Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 Message-ID: In a message dated 1/4/2008 2:46:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rjlbjk at cox.net writes: Is the RX505 a close second to the Dragon as far as recording? I understand the it does not have the NAAC. Also, doesn't the RX have the standard Nakamichi transport and not the Sankyo? The RX-505 is a very good deck, and it does have the standard transport. For recording, a lot of us have found the ZX-7 & 9 to be about as good as it gets, better than the RX-505, which is roughly speaking a LX-5 with auto-reverse. The difference between the ZX-7 and 9 is mainly that the 7 has the standard transport and the ZX-9 has the same direct-drive motor (one of them, for one direction) as the Dragon. Nakamichi apparently considered the ZX-9 its best recording deck, as it made its test tapes on the ZX-9. The other difference between the ZX-7 and ZX-9 is the price - the ZX-9 sells for at least twice as much as the ZX-7 on the second-hand market, as is quite rare in excellent condition. ZX-7's in good condition turn up regularly on eBay, and several Naktalk contributors have sold theirs on eBay recently. Jeff W **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jan 5 01:05:25 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 18:05:25 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 Message-ID: <27726699.1199491525512.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Roland, If you are patient you can find a good deck. An RX505 is about the same price as the ZX7. I think most of us are comfortable with calibrating our decks, and the ZX7 gives you the controls on the front. If money is a concern, then look at the LX5, as they sell for peanuts sometimes. Another money saving deck is the 581 or 582, although these older decks will need belts. All the decks mentioned are classic mechanism. Reel to reel tape can be found every day on eBay. Buy the Maxell and TDK brands, as the formulations used by Ampex and Scotch span too many decades to keep track of. If you do want Ampex, but "grandmaster". In Scotch, 203 is the stuff to look for. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Roland >Sent: Jan 4, 2008 3:48 PM >To: Nakamichi tapedecks >Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 > >I just love my Dragon to pieces and as Richard Hess puts it, the >Dragon is the number deck for playback with its NAAC. I'd agree. > >Okay, I recently wanted to play with a reel to reel and bought an >Otari MX5050 MKIII-2. Wonderful machine and it plays commercial >tapes just fine and I've never recorded with it yet. Tape prices, >commercial recorded and recording tape prices are just out of sight. > >The other object that is out of sight are the prices for a Dragon and >easily topping $1000. Out of my budget. > >However, I just love analog and plan to buy another cassette deck in >a few months. > >Is the RX505 a close second to the Dragon as far as recording? I >understand the it does not have the NAAC. > >Also, doesn't the RX have the standard Nakamichi transport and not the Sankyo? > >Roland > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 5 08:59:46 2008 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 23:59:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 In-Reply-To: <20080104214828.FJOK476.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <158616.1652.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Also, doesn't the RX have the standard Nakamichi transport and not the Sankyo? The RX-505 and RX-303 have the Standard transport. The RX-202 has the Sankyo transport. Only the RX-505 has 3-heads. SJ Roland wrote: I just love my Dragon to pieces and as Richard Hess puts it, the Dragon is the number deck for playback with its NAAC. I'd agree. Okay, I recently wanted to play with a reel to reel and bought an Otari MX5050 MKIII-2. Wonderful machine and it plays commercial tapes just fine and I've never recorded with it yet. Tape prices, commercial recorded and recording tape prices are just out of sight. The other object that is out of sight are the prices for a Dragon and easily topping $1000. Out of my budget. However, I just love analog and plan to buy another cassette deck in a few months. Is the RX505 a close second to the Dragon as far as recording? I understand the it does not have the NAAC. Also, doesn't the RX have the standard Nakamichi transport and not the Sankyo? Roland ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Sat Jan 5 10:17:11 2008 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 04:17:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: What do you think? Message-ID: <200801050417_MC3-1-F7A7-713F@compuserve.com> Here is an interesting article about mp3: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/08/08/DDEJR7KN11.DTL I like the part where mp3 music is compared to fast-food. _Fuad From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Jan 5 14:44:58 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 13:44:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 Message-ID: <010520081344.14182.477F89DA000B2EC10000376622155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Roland: The RX-505 does indeed have the "classic" dual-capstan transport, as does the RX-303. The RX-202 is the only RX model with the Sankyo transport (a single capstan version). *andy* From lenaw at flash.net Sat Jan 5 15:26:43 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 06:26:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 In-Reply-To: <27726699.1199491525512.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <350779.79497.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Forum Members: I do have a 582 to give away FREE to anybody who needs one ( shipping cost is not free though ). It playback/record normally and both analog meters work. Anybody interest please contact me offline. Have a good weekend. Best Regards, Mike Tom Brucker wrote: Roland, If you are patient you can find a good deck. An RX505 is about the same price as the ZX7. I think most of us are comfortable with calibrating our decks, and the ZX7 gives you the controls on the front. If money is a concern, then look at the LX5, as they sell for peanuts sometimes. Another money saving deck is the 581 or 582, although these older decks will need belts. All the decks mentioned are classic mechanism. Reel to reel tape can be found every day on eBay. Buy the Maxell and TDK brands, as the formulations used by Ampex and Scotch span too many decades to keep track of. If you do want Ampex, but "grandmaster". In Scotch, 203 is the stuff to look for. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Roland >Sent: Jan 4, 2008 3:48 PM >To: Nakamichi tapedecks >Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 > >I just love my Dragon to pieces and as Richard Hess puts it, the >Dragon is the number deck for playback with its NAAC. I'd agree. > >Okay, I recently wanted to play with a reel to reel and bought an >Otari MX5050 MKIII-2. Wonderful machine and it plays commercial >tapes just fine and I've never recorded with it yet. Tape prices, >commercial recorded and recording tape prices are just out of sight. > >The other object that is out of sight are the prices for a Dragon and >easily topping $1000. Out of my budget. > >However, I just love analog and plan to buy another cassette deck in >a few months. > >Is the RX505 a close second to the Dragon as far as recording? I >understand the it does not have the NAAC. > >Also, doesn't the RX have the standard Nakamichi transport and not the Sankyo? > >Roland > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Jan 5 16:56:59 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:56:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 In-Reply-To: <27726699.1199491525512.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.s a.earthlink.net> References: <27726699.1199491525512.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080105155659.LGWX15951.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Tom, What about a 680 series deck instead of the 581 or ZX series? As I do with the Dragon, I don't mind doing the front panel calibration for each tape type that I use as I stick with TDK across the three formulations. I am keeping in mind that at those price levels of the 680s, I shouldn't be looking for Dragon performance. I do prefer the classic transport over the Sankyo as I've owned two decks that developed what I call 'dainty' problems. Sure, my newbie status at the time didn't help matters!! FWIW, the two Ampex Grandmaster 456 tapes that I bought used had the sticky shed problem and it didn't take much more than a minute to slow down the Otari on FF or Reverse. I did buy some new RMGI 900 and 911 tape but I've not use it yet. Looking at Maxell XLI type now. > Roland, > If you are patient you can find a good deck. An RX505 is about > the same price as the ZX7. I think most of us are comfortable with > calibrating our decks, and the ZX7 gives you the controls on the > front. If money is a concern, then look at the LX5, as they sell > for peanuts sometimes. Another money saving deck is the 581 or 582, > although these older decks will need belts. All the decks mentioned > are classic mechanism. > Reel to reel tape can be found every day on eBay. Buy the Maxell > and TDK brands, as the formulations used by Ampex and Scotch span > too many decades to keep track of. If you do want Ampex, but > "grandmaster". In Scotch, 203 is the stuff to look for. > >tom brucker From pathpp at yahoo.com Sat Jan 5 21:24:10 2008 From: pathpp at yahoo.com (Patrick Joseph) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:24:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem Message-ID: <819674.48678.qm@web30212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In a message dated 12/31/2007 7:30:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: To put the whole thing into perspective: squirting some contact cleaner (DeOxit or whatever) into the motor may fix the problem (or if may not). If it does, it's likely to be a temporary fix. Taking the motor apart and rebuilding it correctly will, in most cases, bring it back to like-new condition (at least, if the brushes/commutator/bearings are in good shape). If the owner's purpose is to sell off the deck and he doesn't mind screwing some buyer, spraying the cleaner may do it. In a month or two, the buyer will curse him, but the buyer's money will be safely in the seller's pocket, so who cares. OTOH, the seller may decide to either rebuild the motor or replace it and then fully disclose what's been done, in which case he is golden... -- Ron Hello again to the list. I am trying to fix the deck, but if I am able to sell it, I will disclose everything that I have done. I will also give them a recommendation to subscribe to this list, so that if they ever have a problem, they can get some advise from those that know what they are talking about. The control motor still doesn't run fault free. I sprayed it with the DeOxIt two or three times. When I exercise the motor, it will run slowly and very rough at first. Eventually, it will run freely, but soon after, when I run it again, it takes a while before it will run freely again. Also, one direction runs more freely than the other. I can understand why this motor has this kind of problem, since it rests on the same spot every time that it cycles. I tried removing it from the mount and turning it 180 degrees, thinking that the motor would be resting on different spots on the brushes after it cycles. It didn't work any better. Are there any instructions for rebuilding the motor, and is it possible? Pat Joseph ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sat Jan 5 22:29:47 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 14:29:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 In-Reply-To: <350779.79497.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c84fe2$190859c0$3201000a@gabrenas> What would it be to ship to 84112? I'll take it. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:27 AM To: Tom Brucker; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 Hi Forum Members: I do have a 582 to give away FREE to anybody who needs one ( shipping cost is not free though ). It playback/record normally and both analog meters work. Anybody interest please contact me offline. Have a good weekend. Best Regards, Mike Tom Brucker wrote: Roland, If you are patient you can find a good deck. An RX505 is about the same price as the ZX7. I think most of us are comfortable with calibrating our decks, and the ZX7 gives you the controls on the front. If money is a concern, then look at the LX5, as they sell for peanuts sometimes. Another money saving deck is the 581 or 582, although these older decks will need belts. All the decks mentioned are classic mechanism. Reel to reel tape can be found every day on eBay. Buy the Maxell and TDK brands, as the formulations used by Ampex and Scotch span too many decades to keep track of. If you do want Ampex, but "grandmaster". In Scotch, 203 is the stuff to look for. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Roland >Sent: Jan 4, 2008 3:48 PM >To: Nakamichi tapedecks >Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 > >I just love my Dragon to pieces and as Richard Hess puts it, the >Dragon is the number deck for playback with its NAAC. I'd agree. > >Okay, I recently wanted to play with a reel to reel and bought an >Otari MX5050 MKIII-2. Wonderful machine and it plays commercial >tapes just fine and I've never recorded with it yet. Tape prices, >commercial recorded and recording tape prices are just out of sight. > >The other object that is out of sight are the prices for a Dragon and >easily topping $1000. Out of my budget. > >However, I just love analog and plan to buy another cassette deck in >a few months. > >Is the RX505 a close second to the Dragon as far as recording? I >understand the it does not have the NAAC. > >Also, doesn't the RX have the standard Nakamichi transport and not the Sankyo? > >Roland > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Jan 5 23:52:06 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 14:52:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Need CR5A service manual Message-ID: <843575.44761.qm@web33311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All I need CR5A service manual or atleast schematics part. Does any one have electronic scanned copy to spare? If anybody could help - thanks in advance Kannan --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Steven.Hong at AIG.com Sun Jan 6 00:02:12 2008 From: Steven.Hong at AIG.com (Hong, Steven) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:02:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on DR Series > DR3 AND DR8 versus CR & BX Series Message-ID: <9329EF42789DB045814D4AA9256BF30F01D04F00@XLIVPUB16bkup.aig.com> Hi to the Nak List! As a newbie searching the archives, I have not yet found any discussion of the DR Model Series. Can anyone share their impressions of the say the DR-3 and/or DR-8 Models, or ever the DR-10..?? I am kind of on a tight budget, and am also considering a CR-1A, which several members have had very good experiences with, and am wondering how the CR Series stacks up versus the DR Series, or even the BX Series. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks, Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pathpp at yahoo.com Sun Jan 6 00:30:54 2008 From: pathpp at yahoo.com (Patrick Joseph) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:30:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Problem with CR-1A Message-ID: <865839.54608.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've uploaded a video on YouTube which shows the motor turning with 9 volts applied. "www.youtube.com/watch?v=woXxq2C9GSI" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Jan 6 00:15:06 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:15:06 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem Message-ID: In a message dated 1/5/2008 12:57:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, pathpp at yahoo.com writes: The control motor still doesn't run fault free. I sprayed it with the DeOxIt two or three times. When I exercise the motor, it will run slowly and very rough at first. Eventually, it will run freely, but soon after, when I run it again, it takes a while before it will run freely again. Also, one direction runs more freely than the other. I can understand why this motor has this kind of problem, since it rests on the same spot every time that it cycles. I tried removing it from the mount and turning it 180 degrees, thinking that the motor would be resting on different spots on the brushes after it cycles. It didn't work any better. Are there any instructions for rebuilding the motor, and is it possible? Hi Pay, OK, here's a Plan B. Part number 1112003 from Kysan Electronics may be a workable substitute, although we haven't actually confirmed that yet. It does have the voltage and the shaft length, but it may need a few minutes work with a needle nose file to make the holes fit. It's very cheap, so you might just want to try it - _http://www.kysanelectronics.com/Products/datasheet_display.php?recordID=1535_ (http://www.kysanelectronics.com/Products/datasheet_display.php?recordID=1535) Jeff W **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Jan 6 01:02:04 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 19:02:04 EST Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on DR Series > DR3 AND DR8 versus CR & BX Series Message-ID: In a message dated 1/5/2008 3:42:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Steven.Hong at AIG.com writes: Hi to the Nak List! As a newbie searching the archives, I have not yet found any discussion of the DR Model Series. Can anyone share their impressions of the say the DR-3 and/or DR-8 Models, or ever the DR-10..?? I am kind of on a tight budget, and am also considering a CR-1A, which several members have had very good experiences with, and am wondering how the CR Series stacks up versus the DR Series, or even the BX Series. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks, Steve Hi Steve, I bailed out of all my Sankyo transport 2-head decks about a year ago, but I owned quite a few different ones before I sold or gave them away. First, all the Sankyo transport 2-head decks are more or less the same in specs, performance, etc. You have to take a look at certain features to separate one from another. In my opinion, the CR-2, BX-2, and BX-150 are probably the best. The CR-1 & 2 have an output control which the Cassette Deck 2 and DR decks don't. The CR-2 has remote capacity and an electric counter, which the CR-1 doesn't. The BX-2 and BX-150 also have the electric counter, while the BX-1 and BX-125 don't. The MR-2 is the professional version of the BX-150 and it's a pretty good deck too, and it has a speed control not found on any other Sankyo 2 head deck. The BX-1 and BX-100 don't have Dolby C. All the other ones do. So, the other factor which separates these models is the tire idler versus the gear idler. The Cassette Deck 2, CR & DR models were made with the gear idler and the MR-2's from 1990 on also have it. The BX's have the rubber tire. I actually have become comfortable with the rubber idler and don't consider it an issue anymore. One last thing, the Cassette Deck 2 just has a cheap feel to it, compared with any of the others, but if you can find one in really good condition you might get a deal. All in all, finding a deck in excellent condition is really the important thing, because they're all essentially the same deck. that's my 2 cents on the subject. Jeff W **************Start the year off right. 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sun Jan 6 01:48:24 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:48:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 In-Reply-To: <001b01c84fe2$190859c0$3201000a@gabrenas> Message-ID: <909804.3931.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Victor: The cost of shipping by FedEx ground with insurance is around $35.00 ( the shipping cost is around $20 but I have to buy a roll of bubble wrap and it costs $12.99 at local TARGET ). The 582 is not that tall in height but it is quite wide. You can check the dimensions at your side. Mike Victor Gabrenas wrote: What would it be to ship to 84112? I’ll take it. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:27 AM To: Tom Brucker; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 Hi Forum Members: I do have a 582 to give away FREE to anybody who needs one ( shipping cost is not free though ). It playback/record normally and both analog meters work. Anybody interest please contact me offline. Have a good weekend. Best Regards, Mike Tom Brucker wrote: Roland, If you are patient you can find a good deck. An RX505 is about the same price as the ZX7. I think most of us are comfortable with calibrating our decks, and the ZX7 gives you the controls on the front. If money is a concern, then look at the LX5, as they sell for peanuts sometimes. Another money saving deck is the 581 or 582, although these older decks will need belts. All the decks mentioned are classic mechanism. Reel to reel tape can be found every day on eBay. Buy the Maxell and TDK brands, as the formulations used by Ampex and Scotch span too many decades to keep track of. If you do want Ampex, but "grandmaster". In Scotch, 203 is the stuff to look for. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Roland >Sent: Jan 4, 2008 3:48 PM >To: Nakamichi tapedecks >Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 > >I just love my Dragon to pieces and as Richard Hess puts it, the >Dragon is the number deck for playback with its NAAC. I'd agree. > >Okay, I recently wanted to play with a reel to reel and bought an >Otari MX5050 MKIII-2. Wonderful machine and it plays commercial >tapes just fine and I've never recorded with it yet. Tape prices, >commercial recorded and recording tape prices are just out of sight. > >The other object that is out of sight are the prices for a Dragon and >easily topping $1000. Out of my budget. > >However, I just love analog and plan to buy another cassette deck in >a few months. > >Is the RX505 a close second to the Dragon as far as recording? I >understand the it does not have the NAAC. > >Also, doesn't the RX have the standard Nakamichi transport and not the Sankyo? > >Roland > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jan 5 23:58:43 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:58:43 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem Message-ID: <8293192.1199573923593.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Patrick, Back in the old days I could open these and clean the brushes, but today it seems less likely to fix it. We (jeff W and I) may have a substitute motor soon. The Mabuchi RF 500 with a long shaft fits in the original space. We have to install one and test its function before recommending it as a replacement. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Patrick Joseph >Sent: Jan 5, 2008 2:24 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem > >In a message dated 12/31/2007 7:30:17 A.M. Pacific >Standard Time, >ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > >To put the whole thing into perspective: squirting >some contact cleaner (DeOxit or whatever) into the >motor may fix the problem (or if may not). If it >does, it's likely to be a temporary fix. Taking the >motor apart and rebuilding it correctly will, in >most cases, bring it back to like-new condition (at >least, if the brushes/commutator/bearings are in >good shape). > >If the owner's purpose is to sell off the deck and >he doesn't mind screwing some buyer, spraying the >cleaner may do it. In a month or two, the buyer >will curse him, but the buyer's money will be >safely in the seller's pocket, so who cares. OTOH, >the seller may decide to either rebuild the motor >or replace it and then fully disclose what's been >done, in which case he is golden... > >-- Ron > > >Hello again to the list. > I am trying to fix the deck, but if I am able to >sell it, I will disclose everything that I have done. >I will also give them a recommendation to subscribe to >this list, so that if they ever have a problem, they >can get some advise from those that know what they are >talking about. > The control motor still doesn't run fault free. I >sprayed it with the DeOxIt two or three times. When I >exercise the motor, it will run slowly and very rough >at first. Eventually, it will run freely, but soon >after, when I run it again, it takes a while before it >will run freely again. Also, one direction runs more >freely than the other. > I can understand why this motor has this kind of >problem, since it rests on the same spot every time >that it cycles. I tried removing it from the mount >and turning it 180 degrees, thinking that the motor >would be resting on different spots on the brushes >after it cycles. It didn't work any better. > Are there any instructions for rebuilding the >motor, and is it possible? > >Pat Joseph > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Looking for last minute shopping deals? >Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From redwolf754 at charter.net Sat Jan 5 22:02:36 2008 From: redwolf754 at charter.net (Kenneth Shiflett) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:02:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 In-Reply-To: <350779.79497.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c84fde$4cb1e4c0$030fa8c0@boxq30> You still have that 582 ? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:27 AM To: Tom Brucker; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 Hi Forum Members: I do have a 582 to give away FREE to anybody who needs one ( shipping cost is not free though ). It playback/record normally and both analog meters work. Anybody interest please contact me offline. Have a good weekend. Best Regards, Mike Tom Brucker wrote: Roland, If you are patient you can find a good deck. An RX505 is about the same price as the ZX7. I think most of us are comfortable with calibrating our decks, and the ZX7 gives you the controls on the front. If money is a concern, then look at the LX5, as they sell for peanuts sometimes. Another money saving deck is the 581 or 582, although these older decks will need belts. All the decks mentioned are classic mechanism. Reel to reel tape can be found every day on eBay. Buy the Maxell and TDK brands, as the formulations used by Ampex and Scotch span too many decades to keep track of. If you do want Ampex, but "grandmaster". In Scotch, 203 is the stuff to look for. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Roland >Sent: Jan 4, 2008 3:48 PM >To: Nakamichi tapedecks >Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 > >I just love my Dragon to pieces and as Richard Hess puts it, the >Dragon is the number deck for playback with its NAAC. I'd agree. > >Okay, I recently wanted to play with a reel to reel and bought an >Otari MX5050 MKIII-2. Wonderful machine and it plays commercial >tapes just fine and I've never recorded with it yet. Tape prices, >commercial recorded and recording tape prices are just out of sight. > >The other object that is out of sight are the prices for a Dragon and >easily topping $1000. Out of my budget. > >However, I just love analog and plan to buy another cassette deck in >a few months. > >Is the RX505 a close second to the Dragon as far as recording? I >understand the it does not have the NAAC. > >Also, doesn't the RX have the standard Nakamichi transport and not the Sankyo? > >Roland > >========---------------------------------------------------------====== === > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------====== === > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------====== === Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jan 6 15:05:07 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:05:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem In-Reply-To: <819674.48678.qm@web30212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <819674.48678.qm@web30212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4780E013.5050509@rcn.com> Patrick Joseph wrote: > In a message dated 12/31/2007 7:30:17 A.M. Pacific > Standard Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > > To put the whole thing into perspective: squirting > some contact cleaner (DeOxit or whatever) into the > motor may fix the problem (or if may not). If it > does, it's likely to be a temporary fix. Taking the > motor apart and rebuilding it correctly will, in > most cases, bring it back to like-new condition (at > least, if the brushes/commutator/bearings are in > good shape). > > If the owner's purpose is to sell off the deck and > he doesn't mind screwing some buyer, spraying the > cleaner may do it. In a month or two, the buyer > will curse him, but the buyer's money will be > safely in the seller's pocket, so who cares. OTOH, > the seller may decide to either rebuild the motor > or replace it and then fully disclose what's been > done, in which case he is golden... > > -- Ron > > > Hello again to the list. > I am trying to fix the deck, but if I am able to > sell it, I will disclose everything that I have done. > I will also give them a recommendation to subscribe to > this list, so that if they ever have a problem, they > can get some advise from those that know what they are > talking about. > The control motor still doesn't run fault free. I > sprayed it with the DeOxIt two or three times. When I > exercise the motor, it will run slowly and very rough > at first. Eventually, it will run freely, but soon > after, when I run it again, it takes a while before it > will run freely again. Also, one direction runs more > freely than the other. > I can understand why this motor has this kind of > problem, since it rests on the same spot every time > that it cycles. Actually, there is a gear between the motor and cam, so -- while the cam does, indeed, rest on one of the same spots every time -- the motor itself does not. > I tried removing it from the mount > and turning it 180 degrees, thinking that the motor > would be resting on different spots on the brushes > after it cycles. It didn't work any better. For the same reason, above. > Are there any instructions for rebuilding the > motor, and is it possible? Not only possible, but fairly easy, with a high probability of success. Once you are familiar with it, it takes but 15 or 20 minutes to do, start to finish. I am not aware of any published instructions, though. -- Ron > > Pat Joseph > From moydan at excite.com Sun Jan 6 15:31:10 2008 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 09:31:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Slider Switch for BX-300 Message-ID: <20080106143110.203528B312@xprdmxin.myway.com> Happy New Year,Does anyone have a good working slider switch for a BX-300?Thanks,Dan _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pathpp at yahoo.com Sun Jan 6 22:10:50 2008 From: pathpp at yahoo.com (Patrick Joseph) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 13:10:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <189938.83366.qm@web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/5/2008 12:57:47 P.M. Pacific > Standard Time, > pathpp at yahoo.com writes: > > The control motor still doesn't run fault free. I > sprayed it with the DeOxIt two or three times. When > I > exercise the motor, it will run slowly and very > rough > at first. Eventually, it will run freely, but soon > after, when I run it again, it takes a while before > it > will run freely again. Also, one direction runs > more > freely than the other. > I can understand why this motor has this kind of > problem, since it rests on the same spot every time > that it cycles. I tried removing it from the mount > and turning it 180 degrees, thinking that the motor > would be resting on different spots on the brushes > after it cycles. It didn't work any better. > Are there any instructions for rebuilding the > motor, and is it possible? > > > > > > > Hi Pay, > > OK, here's a Plan B. Part number 1112003 from Kysan > Electronics may be a > workable substitute, although we haven't actually > confirmed that yet. It does > have the voltage and the shaft length, but it may > need a few minutes work with > a needle nose file to make the holes fit. It's very > cheap, so you might > just want to try it - > > _http://www.kysanelectronics.com/Products/datasheet_display.php?recordID=1535_ > > (http://www.kysanelectronics.com/Products/datasheet_display.php?recordID=1535) > > > > Jeff W > Thanks Jeff, and everyone else, I finally decided to do this the right way. I wasn't sure how the motor was built, but I knew that if I didn't try to get inside to clean it, then there was no chance of fixing the deck. I bent back the tabs that were holding the rear of the motor on (the solder connection end), and I pulled it away. It was clear that the brushes and commutator connections needed to be cleaned. After I did that, I put it back together and ran the motor with 6 volts, and it ran great in both directions. Now the deck is reassembled and it has been working without a hitch. Now I just need to connect it to the stereo and test it for record and playback. After all this work, I'm considering keeping it since it is a great piece of equipment. It may not be a "Dragon" but I was always impressed by it. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Jan 6 20:04:29 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 13:04:29 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 Message-ID: <19766975.1199646269828.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Everyone loves the 680s. I felt you were asking for lower cost options to the Dragon. Manos recently bought a perfect condition 680 on eBay. It needs 2 belts and 2 orange caps...the same parts a 581 or 2 would need. I would prefer the non-ZX versions (less to break). Some mint 682ZX decks sell for what a ZX7 or Dragon might cost. The more we discuss how much we like the sound of certain decks, the more they sell for on eBay. If we were smart we'd declare the CR7 the "world's finest" and go back to collecting with sanity! What keeps us involved with Nakamichi is that over a 20 year span there are worthwhile musical decks. Can anyone name "the worst Nak"? tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Roland >Sent: Jan 5, 2008 9:56 AM >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 > >Tom, > >What about a 680 series deck instead of the 581 or ZX series? As I >do with the Dragon, I don't mind doing the front panel calibration >for each tape type that I use as I stick with TDK across the three >formulations. > >I am keeping in mind that at those price levels of the 680s, I >shouldn't be looking for Dragon performance. > >I do prefer the classic transport over the Sankyo as I've owned two >decks that developed what I call 'dainty' problems. Sure, my newbie >status at the time didn't help matters!! > >FWIW, the two Ampex Grandmaster 456 tapes that I bought used had the >sticky shed problem and it didn't take much more than a minute to >slow down the Otari on FF or Reverse. I did buy some new RMGI 900 >and 911 tape but I've not use it yet. Looking at Maxell XLI type now. > >> Roland, >> If you are patient you can find a good deck. An RX505 is about >> the same price as the ZX7. I think most of us are comfortable with >> calibrating our decks, and the ZX7 gives you the controls on the >> front. If money is a concern, then look at the LX5, as they sell >> for peanuts sometimes. Another money saving deck is the 581 or 582, >> although these older decks will need belts. All the decks mentioned >> are classic mechanism. >> Reel to reel tape can be found every day on eBay. Buy the Maxell >> and TDK brands, as the formulations used by Ampex and Scotch span >> too many decades to keep track of. If you do want Ampex, but >> "grandmaster". In Scotch, 203 is the stuff to look for. >> >>tom brucker > > Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 7 13:56:17 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 07:56:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem In-Reply-To: <189938.83366.qm@web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <189938.83366.qm@web30209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47822171.2010700@rcn.com> Patrick Joseph wrote: > --- Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 1/5/2008 12:57:47 P.M. Pacific >> Standard Time, >> pathpp at yahoo.com writes: >> >> The control motor still doesn't run fault free. I >> sprayed it with the DeOxIt two or three times. When >> I >> exercise the motor, it will run slowly and very >> rough >> at first. Eventually, it will run freely, but soon >> after, when I run it again, it takes a while before >> it >> will run freely again. Also, one direction runs >> more >> freely than the other. >> I can understand why this motor has this kind of >> problem, since it rests on the same spot every time >> that it cycles. I tried removing it from the mount >> and turning it 180 degrees, thinking that the motor >> would be resting on different spots on the brushes >> after it cycles. It didn't work any better. >> Are there any instructions for rebuilding the >> motor, and is it possible? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Pay, >> >> OK, here's a Plan B. Part number 1112003 from Kysan >> Electronics may be a >> workable substitute, although we haven't actually >> confirmed that yet. It does >> have the voltage and the shaft length, but it may >> need a few minutes work with >> a needle nose file to make the holes fit. It's very >> cheap, so you might >> just want to try it - >> >> > _http://www.kysanelectronics.com/Products/datasheet_display.php?recordID=1535_ >> >> > (http://www.kysanelectronics.com/Products/datasheet_display.php?recordID=1535) >> >> >> Jeff W >> > > Thanks Jeff, and everyone else, > > I finally decided to do this the right way. I > wasn't sure how the motor was built, but I knew that > if I didn't try to get inside to clean it, then there > was no chance of fixing the deck. I bent back the tabs > that were holding the rear of the motor on (the solder > connection end), and I pulled it away. It was clear > that the brushes and commutator connections needed to > be cleaned. After I did that, I put it back together > and ran the motor with 6 volts, and it ran great in > both directions. Now the deck is reassembled and it > has been working without a hitch. Now I just need to > connect it to the stereo and test it for record and > playback. After all this work, I'm considering > keeping it since it is a great piece of equipment. It > may not be a "Dragon" but I was always impressed by > it. Congratulations. Assuming you also took care to lubricate both ends of the shaft with some light machine oil and the that the commutator and brushes are in good shape, the rebuilt motor should last the same as if it was new. -- Ron From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Jan 7 16:09:35 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:09:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: My lovely Dragon and a RX505 In-Reply-To: <200801071102.m07B1BBm030304@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <472411.92997.qm@web60522.mail.yahoo.com> Roland, I'm just getting back into R2R recording with a Tandberg TD-20A and a Tandberg 9240XD. It was recommended to me at usrecordingmedia.com to buy RMGI LPR-35 tapes. I find this tape to be phenomenal and works with decks that were originally calibrated for Maxell UDXL. However, your tape saturation should be raised about +3db. I'm also using separate dbx noise reduction and a dbx expander-lots of fun! Your Otari is a great, serviceable deck with lots of potential. Used tapes are a risky venture I wasn't willing to take on for R2R. I hear lots of horror stores, especially in the pre-recorded venue. I'm definitely on a budget, but new tape is something I spring for and considering RMGI and one more brand (shortly available) are still available, I'll part with ebay's reliability. Kevin > -----Original Message----- > >From: Roland > >Sent: Jan 4, 2008 3:48 PM > >To: Nakamichi tapedecks > >Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 > > > >I just love my Dragon to pieces and as Richard Hess > puts it, the > >Dragon is the number deck for playback with its > NAAC. I'd agree. > > > >Okay, I recently wanted to play with a reel to reel > and bought an > >Otari MX5050 MKIII-2. Wonderful machine and it > plays commercial > >tapes just fine and I've never recorded with it > yet. Tape prices, > >commercial recorded and recording tape prices are > just out of sight. > > > >The other object that is out of sight are the > prices for a Dragon and > >easily topping $1000. Out of my budget. > > > >However, I just love analog and plan to buy another > cassette deck in > >a few months. > > > >Is the RX505 a close second to the Dragon as far as > recording? I > >understand the it does not have the NAAC. > > > >Also, doesn't the RX have the standard Nakamichi > transport and not the > Sankyo? > > > >Roland ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From arichison at yahoo.com Mon Jan 7 18:21:38 2008 From: arichison at yahoo.com (Andre Richison) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:21:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <18220.29993.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all, I have an mr-1 (worked so well until a day ago, has a new idler tire,), have a LX-3 (works so nice just needs some belts) can anyone help me? ESL does not provide belts for us do it yourselfers I am going to install the belts on lx3 for sure, the mr-1 may have to go to someone, cant sell it but it sure is nice, will work with just one fix. anyone interested? Andre ,,, Nak talk member ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From luis at peromarta.org Mon Jan 7 19:09:10 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:09:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <18220.29993.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <18220.29993.qm@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47826AC6.2050908@peromarta.org> Hi Andre, I am interested in the MR-1. What's the problem and how much are you asking for it? What voltage is it? Thanks, Best rgds, LP. Andre Richison escribió: > Hello all, > I have an mr-1 (worked so well until a day ago, has a > new idler tire,), have a LX-3 (works so nice just > needs some belts) can anyone help me? > ESL does not provide belts for us do it yourselfers > I am going to install the belts on lx3 for sure, > the mr-1 may have to go to someone, cant sell it but > it sure is nice, will work with just one fix. > anyone interested? > Andre ,,, Nak talk member > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Mon Jan 7 19:10:50 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:10:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 In-Reply-To: <19766975.1199646269828.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <19766975.1199646269828.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47826B2A.9070104@peromarta.org> Tom Brucker escribió: > Can anyone name "the worst Nak"? > The DR Series ? ;) rgds, LP. From blkmacster at cox.net Mon Jan 7 19:07:40 2008 From: blkmacster at cox.net (macster) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:07:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Worst Nak Message-ID: <1911E71B435245108889D7897443E034@Bigdaddy> RE" Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 13:04:29 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Tom Brucker Subject: Re: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 To: Roland , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <19766975.1199646269828.JavaMail.root at elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Can anyone name "the worst Nak"? tom brucker" Yeah The ones that I want but don't own. M~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Jan 7 19:24:31 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:24:31 EST Subject: [naktalk] The Worst Nak Message-ID: In a message dated 1/7/2008 10:16:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, luis at peromarta.org writes: Tom Brucker escribió: > Can anyone name "the worst Nak"? > The DR Series ? ;) rgds, LP. My nominations for worst Nak - The BX-1, BX-100, Cassette Deck 2. The BX-1 and BX-100 because Nak was too cheap to put Dolby C on them, and the belt-operated counters. The Cassette Deck 2 because it just feels really cheap. Notice all of my nominations are 1-capstan Sankyo transports. I got a DR-2 off Craigslist to give to my girlfriend and it was way better than the Cassette Deck 2 which I have had 2 of, so I'd have nominate the Cassette Deck 2 over the DR series. Isn't the DR-1 a pretty decent deck? I've never owned one, but I have a Cassette Deck 1 which I'm happy with, and I think it's essentially the same deck as the DR-1. Jeff W **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Mon Jan 7 19:34:41 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:34:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 In-Reply-To: <47826B2A.9070104@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <72331.13860.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do you mean the DR series sound worst than other Naks or the built quality? Regards, Mike Luis Peromarta wrote: Tom Brucker escribió: > Can anyone name "the worst Nak"? > The DR Series ? ;) rgds, LP. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 7 20:47:37 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:47:37 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 Message-ID: Worst Nak Deck - Marantz (it's no Nak) 1978 model cassette deck ($210). Straight out of the box, it would not fully erase tapes in the recording mode. The end of the line Nak I heard and own is the BX-2, but I'll say it's a good playback deck.> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 13:04:29 -0600> From: hitech77 at earthlink.net> To: rjlbjk at cox.net; naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505> CC: > > Everyone loves the 680s. I felt you were asking for lower cost options to the Dragon. Manos recently bought a perfect condition 680 on eBay. It needs 2 belts and 2 orange caps...the same parts a 581 or 2 would need. I would prefer the non-ZX versions (less to break). Some mint 682ZX decks sell for what a ZX7 or Dragon might cost. The more we discuss how much we like the sound of certain decks, the more they sell for on eBay. If we were smart we'd declare the CR7 the 'world's finest' and go back to collecting with sanity! What keeps us involved with Nakamichi is that over a 20 year span there are worthwhile musical decks. > Can anyone name 'the worst Nak'? > > tom brucker> > -----Original Message-----> >From: Roland > >Sent: Jan 5, 2008 9:56 AM> >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505> >> >Tom,> >> >What about a 680 series deck instead of the 581 or ZX series? As I > >do with the Dragon, I don't mind doing the front panel calibration > >for each tape type that I use as I stick with TDK across the three > >formulations.> >> >I am keeping in mind that at those price levels of the 680s, I > >shouldn't be looking for Dragon performance.> >> >I do prefer the classic transport over the Sankyo as I've owned two > >decks that developed what I call 'dainty' problems. Sure, my newbie > >status at the time didn't help matters!!> >> >FWIW, the two Ampex Grandmaster 456 tapes that I bought used had the > >sticky shed problem and it didn't take much more than a minute to > >slow down the Otari on FF or Reverse. I did buy some new RMGI 900 > >and 911 tape but I've not use it yet. Looking at Maxell XLI type now.> >> >> Roland,> >> If you are patient you can find a good deck. An RX505 is about > >> the same price as the ZX7. I think most of us are comfortable with > >> calibrating our decks, and the ZX7 gives you the controls on the > >> front. If money is a concern, then look at the LX5, as they sell > >> for peanuts sometimes. Another money saving deck is the 581 or 582, > >> although these older decks will need belts. All the decks mentioned > >> are classic mechanism.> >> Reel to reel tape can be found every day on eBay. Buy the Maxell > >> and TDK brands, as the formulations used by Ampex and Scotch span > >> too many decades to keep track of. If you do want Ampex, but > >> 'grandmaster'. In Scotch, 203 is the stuff to look for.> >>> >>tom brucker> > > >> > > Hi Tech Service> 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211> hitech at bellsouth.net> 615-331-9241> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Watch “Cause Effect,” a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jan 7 15:32:12 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:32:12 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem Message-ID: <26404346.1199716332486.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> great news. The final step I was shown was to run it for a minute at 9 volts, then reverse polarity. I suppose that polishes things.... tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Patrick Joseph >Sent: Jan 6, 2008 3:10 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-1A deck with a problem > > >--- Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 1/5/2008 12:57:47 P.M. Pacific >> Standard Time, >> pathpp at yahoo.com writes: >> >> The control motor still doesn't run fault free. I >> sprayed it with the DeOxIt two or three times. When >> I >> exercise the motor, it will run slowly and very >> rough >> at first. Eventually, it will run freely, but soon >> after, when I run it again, it takes a while before >> it >> will run freely again. Also, one direction runs >> more >> freely than the other. >> I can understand why this motor has this kind of >> problem, since it rests on the same spot every time >> that it cycles. I tried removing it from the mount >> and turning it 180 degrees, thinking that the motor >> would be resting on different spots on the brushes >> after it cycles. It didn't work any better. >> Are there any instructions for rebuilding the >> motor, and is it possible? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Pay, >> >> OK, here's a Plan B. Part number 1112003 from Kysan >> Electronics may be a >> workable substitute, although we haven't actually >> confirmed that yet. It does >> have the voltage and the shaft length, but it may >> need a few minutes work with >> a needle nose file to make the holes fit. It's very >> cheap, so you might >> just want to try it - >> >> >_http://www.kysanelectronics.com/Products/datasheet_display.php?recordID=1535_ >> >> >(http://www.kysanelectronics.com/Products/datasheet_display.php?recordID=1535) >> >> >> >> Jeff W >> > >Thanks Jeff, and everyone else, > > I finally decided to do this the right way. I >wasn't sure how the motor was built, but I knew that >if I didn't try to get inside to clean it, then there >was no chance of fixing the deck. I bent back the tabs >that were holding the rear of the motor on (the solder >connection end), and I pulled it away. It was clear >that the brushes and commutator connections needed to >be cleaned. After I did that, I put it back together >and ran the motor with 6 volts, and it ran great in >both directions. Now the deck is reassembled and it >has been working without a hitch. Now I just need to >connect it to the stereo and test it for record and >playback. After all this work, I'm considering >keeping it since it is a great piece of equipment. It >may not be a "Dragon" but I was always impressed by >it. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a better friend, newshound, and >know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jan 7 22:44:01 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:44:01 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 Message-ID: <9520289.1199742241183.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I think we all feel the DR series was light duty. The circuit boards seemed less populated. They are better than Cassette deck 1, and not significantly different from the BX1. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Luis Peromarta >Sent: Jan 7, 2008 12:10 PM >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] My lovely Dragon and a RX505 > > > >Tom Brucker escribió: >> Can anyone name "the worst Nak"? >> > >The DR Series ? > >;) > >rgds, LP. Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jan 7 22:46:46 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:46:46 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] The Worst Nak Message-ID: <14594520.1199742406006.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Tue Jan 8 04:32:03 2008 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:32:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The worst NAK Message-ID: <8CA1FBE2BBB8326-13B4-10EF@mblk-d42.sysops.aol.com> What a loaded question Tom! Is there such a thing as the worst NAK? From an access standpoint, in my repair/refurbish experience, I nominate the MR-1 as being the biggest rats nest of wires to have to work around. From a parts stand point, I nominate all the standard transport machines, as their key to working beautifully is dependant upon a no longer made, thus rare and now expensive, genuine OCO80096 belt. I have no experience with the original 1000 and 700 machines so I cannot nominate them for difficulty or parts issues. I nominate all Sankyo transport machines with the infamous idler tire that has to be changed much more frequently than the standard transport machines. I nominate all Sankyo transport decks for having the mode motor that develops dead spots all too frequently. I nominate Nakamichi themselves for dropping?ALL support of their old classics and getting out of cassette decks all together! %#@*!! Now on the flip side, I never met a Nakamichi I didn't like for some reason or another. The 600II is just too cool in my opinion. The 680ZX is simply awesome. The BX-300 and MR-1 rock. The ZX-9, Dragon and CR-7 leave me speechless. All Naks, when well maintained and adjusted, stand nearly alone for sheer performance from the cassette medium. Long live Nakamichi and those who champion and maintain them! Dan Barham Chicagoland ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Jan 8 06:42:21 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:42:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Thoughts about dbx Message-ID: <20080108054219.SDJR24467.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Curiosity reared its ugly (meaning expensive) head and I became curious about a dbx unit. One gentlement, Kevin, who piped in my last subject title of Dragon and a RX505, mentioned that he used a dbx unit with his reel to reel. The only dbx unit that I owned in the past was called a compander or compressor-expander. I don't recall the exact model but I did buy one from Tech-Hifi back in the 70's and the feeling of pumping when the setting exceeded 1.3::1. Back in the 70's, I was given this advice from a salesman at Tech-Hifi. Your speakers should cost at least as much as the rest of your system combined. Your amplifier and preamplifier should be of great quality and price equaling half of your system minus the speakers. It just seems that a dbx unit isn't the best bang or the buck. Is there a theoretical threshold where there is diminished gain versus the dollar spent? Thoughts on a dbx unit for a Nakamichi cassette recorder? For your consideration, I do not use any Dolby when recording on my Dragon. It just plain doesn't need it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jan 8 10:54:54 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:54:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Worst Nak In-Reply-To: <14594520.1199742406006.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14594520.1199742406006.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4783486E.1010103@xs4all.nl> Ok, my personal opinion: CR-5 Between the CR-4 and CR-7 this deck just doesn't fit to me, too much stripped of the CR-7 features and lacks features the CR-4 has. Maybe 2nd in worst decks, all the 3-head Naks without tape-monitoring (481/581/660zx/681zx etc).. These all are no bad decks, I chose them simply because there are better alternatives to me. Wouter Tom Brucker wrote: > > I would nominate the 350. How anyone could live with a tiny meter and > 10 minute rewind time is beyond me. > > > > tom brucker > From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Jan 8 09:02:29 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 03:02:29 EST Subject: [naktalk] The worst NAK Message-ID: In a message dated 1/8/2008 12:00:25 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, danbarham at aol.com writes: I nominate all Sankyo transport machines with the infamous idler tire that has to be changed much more frequently than the standard transport machines. Hey Dan, I actually prefer the rubber idler to the gear idler. Jeff W **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jan 8 10:57:42 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:57:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Thoughts about dbx In-Reply-To: <20080108054219.SDJR24467.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20080108054219.SDJR24467.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: Hello Roland, Once during the earlier 70ties. acquired a DBX unit if I recall well was a 119 model...which MAINLY was used for listen LP vinyl records...again much later a brought for a veru short time a Technics cassette deck which among Dolby B & C have a DBX noise reduction inside the unit. I recorded 2 mere TDK SA-90 with DBX ON...but sooner I discovered that can't be listening on others NON DBX units...so i sold the deck & leave the DBX system for ever!!!. Today with my Dragon NO NR at all! Peace, Alex! Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 00:42:21 -0500To: naktalk at naks.comFrom: rjlbjk at cox.netSubject: [naktalk] Thoughts about dbxCuriosity reared its ugly (meaning expensive) head and I became curious about a dbx unit. One gentlement, Kevin, who piped in my last subject title of Dragon and a RX505, mentioned that he used a dbx unit with his reel to reel. The only dbx unit that I owned in the past was called a compander or compressor-expander. I don't recall the exact model but I did buy one from Tech-Hifi back in the 70's and the feeling of pumping when the setting exceeded 1.3::1. Back in the 70's, I was given this advice from a salesman at Tech-Hifi. Your speakers should cost at least as much as the rest of your system combined. Your amplifier and preamplifier should be of great quality and price equaling half of your system minus the speakers. It just seems that a dbx unit isn't the best bang or the buck.Is there a theoretical threshold where there is diminished gain versus the dollar spent? Thoughts on a dbx unit for a Nakamichi cassette recorder?For your consideration, I do not use any Dolby when recording on my Dragon. It just plain doesn't need it. _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Tue Jan 8 13:09:00 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:39:00 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Worst Nak References: <200801081103.m08B1gqS031084@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000601c851ef$42e50cc0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hey now come on, I spent a good deal of my savings getting a DR2 in great condition from ebay (guess i was lucky to) until it developed a few dings getting handled by customs but i still value this machine immensely. Not that i have heard the other decks but to my listening experience I am quite contended to listening to my DR2 and MR2 which sound ... o well the are Naks for cryin out loud .... Maybe later i would go in for another "classic" deck to gauge the differences. So .. LUIS .. watch out !!!! :P Regards Soumi From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jan 8 13:52:25 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:52:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers Message-ID: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I'm sure a lot of us have this same problem: More tape decks than inputs on our amplifiers! We have more decks to input than our amplifiers were designed to handle, yet we still want to be able to use any of our tape decks at any time. Since there are a couple of ways to address this problem, I thought I would take an informal survey. How is everyone dealing with this issue? Do you do the old "unplug one and plug in the other" tactic, or do you employ some kind of audio switcher? What brand(s) of audio switchers are most recommended? *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jan 8 14:09:46 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:09:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] You Gotta Love This Kid!! Message-ID: <010820081309.23609.4783761A0003520A00005C3922120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I was nosing around on YouTube one day, and I came across some videos by a 15 year old kid who lives in Little Rock, Arkansas. He is obsessed with vintage tape recorders and vintage audio/video gear in general. In the old version of his bio, he states that he rarely listens to CDs. A soul brother! LOL He uploads a lot of silly videos, as you might expect a teenager to do, but the majority of the videos he makes show him with various pieces of weird old audio and video gear that he finds at yard sales. He doesn't have anything "high end" and certainly doesn't have any Nakamichi decks, but he does have a metric TON of very unique cassette players, r2r tape recorders, and very OLD stereo systems. He does all of his own electronic repairs and restoration work and manages to fix things more often than not. He is very enthusiastic and truly loves old technology. Looking at his videos is like a trip back in time, to a place where fake woodgrain reigned supreme, and home stereo equipment was actually purchased at a department store instead of a high-end salon.... Once in while, you will catch a glimpse of his bedroom, and it looks like a mutant stereo store from some parallel dimension. Shelves and shelves of stuff neatly arranged, with a modest little workbench by the window. I was just like this kid once...heck, I still *am*!!! Check him out: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=CassetteMaster *andy* From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 8 14:21:08 2008 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:21:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <009e01c851f9$55b263c0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Hi Andy I manage to have enough inputs on my amp to allow playing from cassette, MD, TT, DAT & tuner but also needed to be able to share the output record to either cassette [682ZX], DAT [Tascam] or MD [Teac mini]. As my amp did not have a headphone socket I was already sharing the outputting via a Rega headphone amp so included a 3 item switcher in the circiut [cost around £10 ] to route outputs for recording. The switch can be used to share inputs or ouputs & works fine [at least to my ears anyway] Regards Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers > > I'm sure a lot of us have this same problem: > > More tape decks than inputs on our amplifiers! > > We have more decks to input than our amplifiers > were designed to handle, yet we still want to be > able to use any of our tape decks at any time. > > Since there are a couple of ways to address this > problem, I thought I would take an informal survey. > > How is everyone dealing with this issue? > > Do you do the old "unplug one and plug in the other" > tactic, or do you employ some kind of audio switcher? > > What brand(s) of audio switchers are most recommended? > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: > 07/01/2008 09:14 > > From enoyes at snet.net Tue Jan 8 14:36:37 2008 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:36:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Worst Nak In-Reply-To: <14594520.1199742406006.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14594520.1199742406006.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47837C65.406@snet.net> Problem is that even the lowly BX-1 and its variants are remarkably capable decks with motor problems being about the only long term shortfall. I would have to agree with Tom on the 350, however my little 250 is a great machine that does a lot with just a little real estate. Ed Tom Brucker wrote: > I would nominate the 350. How anyone could live with a tiny meter and > 10 minute rewind time is beyond me. > > > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Sent: Jan 7, 2008 12:24 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Worst Nak > > In a message dated 1/7/2008 10:16:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > luis at peromarta.org writes: > > Tom Brucker escribió: > > Can anyone name "the worst Nak"? > > > > The DR Series ? > > ;) > > rgds, LP. > > My nominations for worst Nak - > > The BX-1, BX-100, Cassette Deck 2. > The BX-1 and BX-100 because Nak was too cheap to put Dolby C on > them, and the belt-operated counters. > The Cassette Deck 2 because it just feels really cheap. Notice > all of my nominations are 1-capstan Sankyo transports. > I got a DR-2 off Craigslist to give to my girlfriend and it was > way better than the Cassette Deck 2 which I have had 2 of, so I'd > have nominate the Cassette Deck 2 over the DR series. Isn't the > DR-1 a pretty decent deck? I've never owned one, but I have a > Cassette Deck 1 which I'm happy with, and I think it's essentially > the same deck as the DR-1. > > Jeff W > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape > > in the new year. > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jan 8 14:32:39 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:32:39 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] An Amazing Find Message-ID: <010820081332.18414.47837B770007A6E6000047EE22120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Things like this just DO NOT happen to me. I managed to find a MINT used SR-3A receiver for sale locally. It was part of an entire stereo system that I purchased for just $175. All of the components were decent "semi high-end" stuff, but the SR-3A was the clear standout. I'm not kidding...this thing does not have a single mark on it. It looks NEW. Needless to say, I snapped it up. But now I have a problem. My main stereo system is well taken care of by my TA-4A receiver, so I don't need the SR there. The system that I listen to whilst I work on decks is powered by a really nifty Technics SA-400 receiver that actually sounds extremely good, so I don't really need the SR there, either. I am thinking of replacing the Technics with this SR-3A, but I really do have a soft spot for those nice old Technics SA series receivers. If you look at the specs of the SA-400, and if you choose to believe them, the SA-400 is a top-shelf performer: Frequency response: 20Hz - 20kHz S/N ratio, "A" wtd, Phono ref 5mV: 90dB %THD: 0.04% TWO QUESTIONS, mainly food for thought: 1) How would you compare the SR-3A to the Technics SA-400? I know that they are like apples and oranges, but I am hoping that someone has experience with both. 2) I have always wondered this: Are there any real differences between the Nakamichi SR and TA receivers? They both have STASIS amp technology. I will say that at first listen, the SR sounds a bit brighter than my TA, but that is NOT a scientific comparison...just an observation I made when I first powered up the SR. Decisions, decisions............ *andy* From wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net Tue Jan 8 14:36:02 2008 From: wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net (wtgraham1 at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:36:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX 9 Message-ID: <010820081336.7263.47837C420005C76B00001C5F22230650629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFCE030E080E9D099B99@att.net> Hello to all and Happy New Year, I'm a member here, I read every comment every morning. I have to say I have gotten some useful information threw the years from some of the member here. I have a problem with a ZX9. UPS damage this unit in shipment. The face plate has been push in. When this happen it cut the azimuth cable. I was wondering if anybody has a cable to sell either the ZX7 or ZX9 cable would work. Thanks William -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orders at pennysconstruction.com Tue Jan 8 14:39:22 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:39:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <009301c851fb$e05495a0$6801a8c0@number2> I just use an a/b switch. I got it from radio shack along time ago. It actualy has 3 postitions a, b, & c I have the same kind of thing for my VCR's I am intrested in better onees, because I don't think the ones I have are very good. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers > > I'm sure a lot of us have this same problem: > > More tape decks than inputs on our amplifiers! > > We have more decks to input than our amplifiers > were designed to handle, yet we still want to be > able to use any of our tape decks at any time. > > Since there are a couple of ways to address this > problem, I thought I would take an informal survey. > > How is everyone dealing with this issue? > > Do you do the old "unplug one and plug in the other" > tactic, or do you employ some kind of audio switcher? > > What brand(s) of audio switchers are most recommended? > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From dball1 at woh.rr.com Tue Jan 8 14:45:40 2008 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:45:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers In-Reply-To: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Andy, I use Radio Shack "Tape Control Centers". Like this ebay item 290196326911. My Sansui pre-amp has 2 tape loops so I can have 6 decks connected using 2 control centers. I like the units with the rotary switches better than the flip switches. If memory serves, I think the flip switch units are older and due to problems they went to the rotary switch. By the way, the 582 is working great. If you ever need a glowing recommendation of your repair services just let me know! Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers I'm sure a lot of us have this same problem: More tape decks than inputs on our amplifiers! We have more decks to input than our amplifiers were designed to handle, yet we still want to be able to use any of our tape decks at any time. Since there are a couple of ways to address this problem, I thought I would take an informal survey. How is everyone dealing with this issue? Do you do the old "unplug one and plug in the other" tactic, or do you employ some kind of audio switcher? What brand(s) of audio switchers are most recommended? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From john_194600 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 14:51:43 2008 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 05:51:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers Message-ID: <47226.87612.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Andy, I use Sony's SB-300. It expands one input/output to three. Since we all probably use vintage amps, and they usually had two sets, two SB-300's lets one amp handle six decks. They have been pretty available on ebay...with shipping $40/$50. Good cleaning and some DEOX and you are off and running. John ----- Original Message ---- From: "hwbosshoss at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 6:52:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers I'm sure a lot of us have this same problem: More tape decks than inputs on our amplifiers! We have more decks to input than our amplifiers were designed to handle, yet we still want to be able to use any of our tape decks at any time. Since there are a couple of ways to address this problem, I thought I would take an informal survey. How is everyone dealing with this issue? Do you do the old "unplug one and plug in the other" tactic, or do you employ some kind of audio switcher? What brand(s) of audio switchers are most recommended? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 8 16:13:50 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:13:50 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers Message-ID: <10702495.1199805230036.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Andy, The popular Nak option is the 610. It has full switching for 3 tape decks and 2 aux inputs. I have one that is a consignment piece. I have to check its operation, but you might look at the info on the Nak sites to determine if it will work for you. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Jan 8, 2008 6:52 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers > > >I'm sure a lot of us have this same problem: > >More tape decks than inputs on our amplifiers! > >We have more decks to input than our amplifiers >were designed to handle, yet we still want to be >able to use any of our tape decks at any time. > >Since there are a couple of ways to address this >problem, I thought I would take an informal survey. > >How is everyone dealing with this issue? > >Do you do the old "unplug one and plug in the other" >tactic, or do you employ some kind of audio switcher? > >What brand(s) of audio switchers are most recommended? > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 8 16:18:41 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:18:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The worst NAK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47839451.7050901@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/8/2008 12:00:25 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > danbarham at aol.com writes: > > I nominate all Sankyo transport machines with the infamous idler > tire that has to be changed much more frequently than the standard > transport machines. > > Hey Dan, > > I actually prefer the rubber idler to the gear idler. I don't, but do not see the rubber idler as reason to slam all Sankyo transport decks as worst. I own a Sankyo transport deck and am very happy with it. I prefer it to the ZX-9 or dragon. I don't see the horrible hardship in replacing the rubber idler every couple (or three) years. Those that do, can have it replaced with a gear idler. Yes, I know that some claim that the gear idler increases W/F. If so, than the deck requires service, as the idler should have zero (as in zilch, naught, nothing, nada) effect on tape speed. In my deck (with gear idler), W/F are lower than spec. -- Ron > > Jeff W From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 8 16:20:34 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:20:34 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dr-8 problem Message-ID: <20501082.1199805634213.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The deck may have an intermittent reel motor, a problem which plagues only the newer Naks. The motor has a dead spot which for unknown reasons stops the motor at random times. You can try Deoxit in the brush slots, but the one I had didn't respond. You can substitute JVC motor # MSN5D257A-SA2 but you have to file the mounting holes just a bit. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: William Wheatley >Sent: Dec 30, 2007 1:44 PM >To: Naktalk >Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dr-8 problem > >Hello All, > I have a Nak Dr-8 that I have had for several years, and though it >gets used on a regular basis, it has not had a lot of hours of use >logged onto it. > A few weeks ago it began stopping at times when in record mode. >This seems to be an intermittent problem. I've been using new 90 minute >tapes, and it doesn't seem to make a difference what brand of tape I'm >using. > I've tried fast forwarding and rewinding the tape before recording, >to even up any tension. > Sometimes it will record fine- sometimes it will stop once during >the recording- sometimes several times- sometimes one side of the >cassette will be fine, and when turned over I'll have a problem with it >stopping on the other side while recording. > > Any ideas as to what the problem could be? Are there any >adjustments that could be made, or possible parts that should be checked >that might need replacing? > > I'm no repairman when it comes to Naks, but I do keep the deck clean >and demagnitized. >Thanks, >Bill > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 8 16:25:44 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:25:44 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Slider Switch for BX-300 Message-ID: <15622175.1199805944798.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 8 16:01:55 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:01:55 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] The worst NAK Message-ID: <20047271.1199804515780.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Jan 8 16:32:16 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:32:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Worst Nak In-Reply-To: <4783486E.1010103@xs4all.nl> References: <14594520.1199742406006.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4783486E.1010103@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <17d5ee910801080732t60b8a1d2w5ae752085ac46882@mail.gmail.com> > all the 3-head Naks without tape-monitoring Great to know... 2008/1/8, Wouter Heijke : > Ok, my personal opinion: CR-5 > Between the CR-4 and CR-7 this deck just doesn't fit to me, too much > stripped of the CR-7 features and lacks features the CR-4 has. > > Maybe 2nd in worst decks, all the 3-head Naks without tape-monitoring > (481/581/660zx/681zx etc).. > > These all are no bad decks, I chose them simply because there are better > alternatives to me. > > Wouter > > Tom Brucker wrote: > > > > I would nominate the 350. How anyone could live with a tiny meter and > > 10 minute rewind time is beyond me. > > > > > > > > tom brucker > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 8 16:24:48 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:24:48 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <22500691.1199805888965.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I would order the Marrs communications LX 3 belts on eBay, and buy Dean's or the ESL tire (get a few) for the MR1 tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Andre Richison >Sent: Jan 7, 2008 11:21 AM >To: Naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) > >Hello all, >I have an mr-1 (worked so well until a day ago, has a >new idler tire,), have a LX-3 (works so nice just >needs some belts) can anyone help me? >ESL does not provide belts for us do it yourselfers >I am going to install the belts on lx3 for sure, >the mr-1 may have to go to someone, cant sell it but >it sure is nice, will work with just one fix. >anyone interested? >Andre ,,, Nak talk member > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a better friend, newshound, and >know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Jan 8 16:46:23 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:46:23 EST Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers Message-ID: In a message dated 1/8/2008 5:01:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: What brand(s) of audio switchers are most recommended? There are two which are readily available, the Niles TSB-3 & the DBX-400 (or DBX-400X) The Niles is a bare-bones 3 deck switcher. The DBX allows you to send the signal through an outboard noise reduction unit and 2 sound processors. I use both. They're great. Jeff W **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Jan 8 16:48:08 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:48:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers In-Reply-To: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C0 1089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080108154807.CFAM476.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Andy, My preamp can handle two tape decks and has the ability to dub from one to the other. If I did have the need to add a third tape input, I would search for an electronic switcher and skip the mechanical type. I just find it funny in a way that we spend thousands on a stereo system only to switch a complex AC signal through a common mechanical switch. Yes, most quality preamps use the silver low resistant type but still, electronic switching is still better. Now, I seem to recall that Nak made such a switcher.......... At 07:52 AM 1/8/2008, you wrote: >I'm sure a lot of us have this same problem: > >More tape decks than inputs on our amplifiers! > >We have more decks to input than our amplifiers >were designed to handle, yet we still want to be >able to use any of our tape decks at any time. > >Since there are a couple of ways to address this >problem, I thought I would take an informal survey. > >How is everyone dealing with this issue? > >Do you do the old "unplug one and plug in the other" >tactic, or do you employ some kind of audio switcher? > >What brand(s) of audio switchers are most recommended? > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Jan 8 16:51:30 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:51:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] You Gotta Love This Kid!! In-Reply-To: <010820081309.23609.4783761A0003520A00005C3922120592149C9C0 1089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <010820081309.23609.4783761A0003520A00005C3922120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080108155130.WIME24467.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Andy, I recall about seven years ago this very, very smart talented Pakistani or Indian kid that started to do reviews on computer items. It was a very simple website and now it is probably the number one review website. Take a gander at www.anandtech.com At 08:09 AM 1/8/2008, you wrote: >I was nosing around on YouTube one day, >and I came across some videos by a 15 >year old kid who lives in Little Rock, Arkansas. >He is obsessed with vintage tape recorders >and vintage audio/video gear in general. > >In the old version of his bio, he states that he >rarely listens to CDs. A soul brother! LOL > >He uploads a lot of silly videos, as you might >expect a teenager to do, but the majority of the >videos he makes show him with various pieces >of weird old audio and video gear that he finds >at yard sales. > >He doesn't have anything "high end" and >certainly doesn't have any Nakamichi decks, but >he does have a metric TON of very unique >cassette players, r2r tape recorders, and very OLD >stereo systems. > >He does all of his own electronic repairs and >restoration work and manages to fix things more >often than not. He is very enthusiastic and truly >loves old technology. > >Looking at his videos is like a trip back in time, to >a place where fake woodgrain reigned supreme, >and home stereo equipment was actually purchased >at a department store instead of a high-end salon.... > >Once in while, you will catch a glimpse of his bedroom, >and it looks like a mutant stereo store from some parallel >dimension. Shelves and shelves of stuff neatly arranged, >with a modest little workbench by the window. > >I was just like this kid once...heck, I still *am*!!! > >Check him out: > >http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=CassetteMaster > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 17:00:52 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:00:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Thoughts about dbx In-Reply-To: <200801081103.m08B1gqS031084@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <631896.65611.qm@web60523.mail.yahoo.com> Roland, The dbx expanders need to be at least three band and you won't hear the 'pumping'. There are some really modern, (formally) expensive dbx units out there used, for sale these days. My expander is the 3BX and although I'm happy with it, they evolved much further than that one. My guess is that with early dbx, many users felt more was better, maxed out the controls too much, hated the system and then bailed on it. The SNR-1 noise reduction unit I'm using is phenomenal with LP's, as it removes ALL hiss and makes headroom in recording a non-issue. I would suggest however for the purists; use the dbx noise reduction unit while recording and yet keep the expander (separate unit) bypassed. Use the expander to suit your playback tastes, as they will vary from user to user. My RX-505 is in Andy's hands now for some much needed repair and so it's not here to experiment with. I plan on trying the dbx noise reduction unit against the Nak's Dolby c. It's been my past experience that dbx is a better system when used properly. On R2R's it's incredible. I also have another Tandberg with Dolby B that's in restoration and due to come home shortly. I know at least the dbx will dust that machine's (TD-9240XD) Dolby B. I have two other cassette decks in repair and one has HXPro-another system to try against the dbx. It sounds like I have a lot of money, but I'm on extreme budget considerations and well....just crazy stupid/poor with electronics and not enough time.;-) Kevin Curiosity reared its ugly (meaning expensive) head and I became curious about a dbx unit. One gentlement, Kevin, who piped in my last subject title of Dragon and a RX505, mentioned that he used a dbx unit with his reel to reel. The only dbx unit that I owned in the past was called a compander or compressor-expander. I don't recall the exact model but I did buy one from Tech-Hifi back in the 70's and the feeling of pumping when the setting exceeded 1.3::1. Back in the 70's, I was given this advice from a salesman at Tech-Hifi. Your speakers should cost at least as much as the rest of your system combined. Your amplifier and preamplifier should be of great quality and price equaling half of your system minus the speakers. It just seems that a dbx unit isn't the best bang or the buck. Is there a theoretical threshold where there is diminished gain versus the dollar spent? Thoughts on a dbx unit for a Nakamichi cassette recorder? For your consideration, I do not use any Dolby when recording on my Dragon. It just plain doesn't need it. To: Nakamichi tapedecks Message-ID: ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From moydan at excite.com Tue Jan 8 18:03:23 2008 From: moydan at excite.com (dan moy) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:03:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Slider Switch for BX-300 Message-ID: <20080108170323.BA38A8B327@xprdmxin.myway.com> Tom,It is the volume control switch to the right of the cassette drawer.� On the BX-300 it is directly on the left of the recording volume controls.Thanks,Dan --- On Tue 01/08, Tom Brucker < hitech77 at earthlink.net > wrote:From: Tom Brucker [mailto: hitech77 at earthlink.net]To: moydan at excite.com, naktalk at naks.comDate: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:25:44 -0600 (GMT-06:00)Subject: Re: [naktalk] Slider Switch for BX-300body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;}What does this switch do? I can't picture it.tom brucker�-----Original Message----- From: dan moy Sent: Jan 6, 2008 8:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Slider Switch for BX-300 Happy New Year,Does anyone have a good working slider switch for a BX-300?Thanks,DanJoin Excite! - http://www.excite.comThe most personalized portal on the Web! Hi Tech Service2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211hitech at bellsouth.net615-331-9241 _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 18:18:14 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:18:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers In-Reply-To: <009301c851fb$e05495a0$6801a8c0@number2> Message-ID: <136107.41498.qm@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I also have one of those radio shack switches with a, b, & c positions hooked into the "AUX" on the Pioneer SX1250. I have that switch used for the CD player, reel to reel for playback, and the DVD/TV sound. The reciever has two tape monitors which are used for two Naks. I also bought a DBX switch box from Steve Ember on this list which switches three tape decks (both record and playback) hooked through the tape monitor on the equilizer. Of course there's three Naks hooked through that! Bob orders at pennysconstruction wrote: I just use an a/b switch. I got it from radio shack along time ago. It actualy has 3 postitions a, b, & c I have the same kind of thing for my VCR's I am intrested in better onees, because I don't think the ones I have are very good. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers > > I'm sure a lot of us have this same problem: > > More tape decks than inputs on our amplifiers! > > We have more decks to input than our amplifiers > were designed to handle, yet we still want to be > able to use any of our tape decks at any time. > > Since there are a couple of ways to address this > problem, I thought I would take an informal survey. > > How is everyone dealing with this issue? > > Do you do the old "unplug one and plug in the other" > tactic, or do you employ some kind of audio switcher? > > What brand(s) of audio switchers are most recommended? > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 18:25:18 2008 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:25:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Thoughts about dbx In-Reply-To: References: <20080108054219.SDJR24467.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <6bddc1110801080925w64c955a6m7a49df9cc9558973@mail.gmail.com> I have a 3BX that I use regularly with my TEAC open reel deck, and it really does make an already good-sounding deck magical to listen to. Most Naks aren't noisy enough to need this and already sound lovely without it. You probably already know that stored audio compressed with a DBX variant isn't listenable in any real sense of the word on a deck without DBX - if you already have issues with the minor differences in sound character experienced when listening to Nak recordings on different Naks, this will drive you crazy :-) -Tim On Jan 8, 2008 3:57 AM, Alex Cozac wrote: > Hello Roland, > > Once during the earlier 70ties. acquired a DBX unit if I recall well was a > 119 model...which MAINLY was used for listen LP vinyl records...again much > later a brought for a veru short time a Technics cassette deck which among > Dolby B & C have a DBX noise reduction inside the unit. I recorded 2 mere > TDK SA-90 with DBX ON...but sooner I discovered that can't be listening on > others NON DBX units...so i sold the deck & leave the DBX system for > ever!!!. > > Today with my Dragon NO NR at all! > > Peace, > > Alex! > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 00:42:21 -0500 > To: naktalk at naks.com > From: rjlbjk at cox.net > Subject: [naktalk] Thoughts about dbx > > > Curiosity reared its ugly (meaning expensive) head and I became curious > about a dbx unit. One gentlement, Kevin, who piped in my last subject title > of Dragon and a RX505, mentioned that he used a dbx unit with his reel to > reel. The only dbx unit that I owned in the past was called a *compander > or comp*ressor-exp*ander.* I don't recall the exact model but I did buy > one from Tech-Hifi back in the 70's and the feeling of pumping when the > setting exceeded 1.3::1. > > Back in the 70's, I was given this advice from a salesman at Tech-Hifi. > Your speakers should cost at least as much as the rest of your system > combined. Your amplifier and preamplifier should be of great quality and > price equaling half of your system minus the speakers. It just seems that a > dbx unit isn't the best bang or the buck. > > Is there a theoretical threshold where there is diminished gain versus the > dollar spent? > > Thoughts on a dbx unit for a Nakamichi cassette recorder? > > For your consideration, I do not use any Dolby when recording on my > Dragon. It just plain doesn't need it. > > ------------------------------ > Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. Start sharing! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From britri at comcast.net Tue Jan 8 18:57:12 2008 From: britri at comcast.net (Brian Matthew Stocker) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:57:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] The Worst Nak In-Reply-To: <14594520.1199742406006.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14594520.1199742406006.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <83E3D5AD-B565-4CEF-ACAD-763489FABB44@comcast.net> The cassette deck 1 is both a good recorder and player. It is nowhere near the bottom of the nak list. The adjustable azimuth is always a desirable feature for a nak, too. I enjoy it alongside my Sank supercharged Tandberg 3015a and have NEVER had a service issue with either. I have both a 250 and a 350 in the anvil cases with the a/d/ s power supply and those gorgeous a/d/s 2002 speakers. The 350 might have a slow rewind and a tiny meter but when you consider its original intent as a portable 12 volt deck you could pop in and out of your 911 SC and have incredible sound at your ski chalet or weekend retreat and be able to record, the context really changes the dynamic! Best, Brian On Jan 7, 2008, at 1:46 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > I would nominate the 350. How anyone could live with a tiny meter > and 10 minute rewind time is beyond me. > > > tom brucker > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Sent: Jan 7, 2008 12:24 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Worst Nak > > In a message dated 1/7/2008 10:16:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, luis at peromarta.org > writes: > Tom Brucker escribió: > > Can anyone name "the worst Nak"? > > > > The DR Series ? > > ;) > > rgds, LP. > My nominations for worst Nak - > > The BX-1, BX-100, Cassette Deck 2. > The BX-1 and BX-100 because Nak was too cheap to put Dolby C on > them, and the belt-operated counters. > The Cassette Deck 2 because it just feels really cheap. Notice all > of my nominations are 1-capstan Sankyo transports. > I got a DR-2 off Craigslist to give to my girlfriend and it was way > better than the Cassette Deck 2 which I have had 2 of, so I'd have > nominate the Cassette Deck 2 over the DR series. Isn't the DR-1 a > pretty decent deck? I've never owned one, but I have a Cassette > Deck 1 which I'm happy with, and I think it's essentially the same > deck as the DR-1. > > Jeff W > > > > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Jan 8 19:47:52 2008 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:47:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004c01c85226$f9c4fa90$d5d217c4@home> In years gone by Stephen Sank(remember him?) used to plug for the Yamaha AVS-700.It accomodates 4 Tape decks(two of them through the 2 sets of VCR audio designated REC and PB jacks) and as other inputs the normal CD,Tuner and Phono jacks.It also had a variable and a fixed output for connection to either a amp that had no volume control(so vol was controlled by the AVS-700) or to an amp with its own volume control respectively.Plus a whole host of TV ,LD/CDV and Video connectors.The variation in switchability and recording while amongst others playing another source makes the machine very versatile.The input selector buttons allowed you to select the source you wished to monitor(Auxiliary,Video Cassette Recorder 1,Video Cassette Recorder 2,Laser Disc/CD Video player,Television,Tape Deck 1,Tape Deck 2,Tuner,CD player or Turntable..Most of these are obviously not required if you only play with NAKS! The record out selector and its on/off button selects just that. On the front it has S-video ,video and L &R audio inputs as well. It has two switched and one unswitched AC outlet , which comes in very handy to power some of those decks and things! If you had the appropriate Yamaha amp you could switch the whole stocks and dies with a remote! Stephen maintained that the electro magnetic switches gave the machines superior audio qualities through the bigger surface contact area of the internal switch gear--- which gave it an advantage over the normal types that are available on the market- eg Niles etc! The dimentions of the wonder approximate only to the size of a (say) CR 1 and looks quite respectable in the shelves amongst your Naks. . These AVS-700 switchers are still available on eBay on occasion.. Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers > > I'm sure a lot of us have this same problem: > > More tape decks than inputs on our amplifiers! > > We have more decks to input than our amplifiers > were designed to handle, yet we still want to be > able to use any of our tape decks at any time. > > Since there are a couple of ways to address this > problem, I thought I would take an informal survey. > > How is everyone dealing with this issue? > > Do you do the old "unplug one and plug in the other" > tactic, or do you employ some kind of audio switcher? > > What brand(s) of audio switchers are most recommended? > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 8 16:22:26 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:22:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers In-Reply-To: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47839532.5010600@rcn.com> I don't have too many decks, but if I did, I would consider building my own tape deck switcher a worthwhile project. The cost would be comparatively low and I would build one to exactly meet my needs (maybe with a couple of extra inputs). -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I'm sure a lot of us have this same problem: > > More tape decks than inputs on our amplifiers! > > We have more decks to input than our amplifiers > were designed to handle, yet we still want to be > able to use any of our tape decks at any time. > > Since there are a couple of ways to address this > problem, I thought I would take an informal survey. > > How is everyone dealing with this issue? > > Do you do the old "unplug one and plug in the other" > tactic, or do you employ some kind of audio switcher? > > What brand(s) of audio switchers are most recommended? > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Jan 8 20:17:35 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:17:35 EST Subject: [naktalk] The Worst Nak Message-ID: In addition the MR 1/2 required 1/4" or balanced connectors. maybe the question ought to be rephrased "Which Nak would you give away first?" tom brucker For the information of anybody following this, it's the MR-1 which requires 1/4" or balanced connectors. The MR-2 uses RCA jacks or 1/4" plugs, and has a RCA "Copy Out" output which bypasses the preamplifier circuits for setting up a bunch of them in series for making dubs. I gave away all my BX models, except for the BX-300 which I consider a very good deck. Jeff W **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orders at pennysconstruction.com Tue Jan 8 22:10:35 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:10:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <47839532.5010600@rcn.com> Message-ID: <00d201c8523a$e939f6d0$6801a8c0@number2> Ron You got any links or or other ways to send me in the right direction to do that myself? Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers > I don't have too many decks, but if I did, I > would consider building my own tape deck > switcher a worthwhile project. The cost > would be comparatively low and I would build > one to exactly meet my needs (maybe with a > couple of extra inputs). > > -- Ron > > > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > I'm sure a lot of us have this same problem: > > > > More tape decks than inputs on our amplifiers! > > > > We have more decks to input than our amplifiers > > were designed to handle, yet we still want to be > > able to use any of our tape decks at any time. > > > > Since there are a couple of ways to address this > > problem, I thought I would take an informal survey. > > > > How is everyone dealing with this issue? > > > > Do you do the old "unplug one and plug in the other" > > tactic, or do you employ some kind of audio switcher? > > > > What brand(s) of audio switchers are most recommended? > > > > > > *andy* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 9 00:41:22 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:41:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dr-8 problem In-Reply-To: <20501082.1199805634213.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <20501082.1199805634213.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47840A22.7070904@rcn.com> Tom, Actually, bad reel motors are fairly common. In my limited experience, I have encountered several in MR-1, CR-2 and BX-300, to name a few. The reason these motors generally do not respond to DeOxit is that the problem is increased friction at certain spots, not bad commutator/brush contact. These spots are not 'dead', they are just slightly worn and/or have higher friction. IOW, the problem is not electrical, but mechanical. The motor will normally run well in REW and FF, but fail in Play. This is because in Play mode it is driven by far lower voltage and turns very slowly. When encountering increased friction, it cannot come up with the required torque to overcome it. What *may* repair the motor (but seldom actually did for me) is to soak the front and rear bearings in light machine oil for a few hours and burnish the commutator with #0000 steel wool (make it very smooth), then spray it with contact cleaner *with lubricant*. -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > The deck may have an intermittent reel motor, a problem which plagues only the newer Naks. The motor has a dead spot which for unknown reasons stops the motor at random times. You can try Deoxit in the brush slots, but the one I had didn't respond. You can substitute JVC motor # MSN5D257A-SA2 but you have to file the mounting holes just a bit. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >> From: William Wheatley >> Sent: Dec 30, 2007 1:44 PM >> To: Naktalk >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dr-8 problem >> >> Hello All, >> I have a Nak Dr-8 that I have had for several years, and though it >> gets used on a regular basis, it has not had a lot of hours of use >> logged onto it. >> A few weeks ago it began stopping at times when in record mode. >> This seems to be an intermittent problem. I've been using new 90 minute >> tapes, and it doesn't seem to make a difference what brand of tape I'm >> using. >> I've tried fast forwarding and rewinding the tape before recording, >> to even up any tension. >> Sometimes it will record fine- sometimes it will stop once during >> the recording- sometimes several times- sometimes one side of the >> cassette will be fine, and when turned over I'll have a problem with it >> stopping on the other side while recording. >> >> Any ideas as to what the problem could be? Are there any >> adjustments that could be made, or possible parts that should be checked >> that might need replacing? >> >> I'm no repairman when it comes to Naks, but I do keep the deck clean >> and demagnitized. >> Thanks, >> Bill >> > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 9 00:59:17 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:59:17 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dr-8 problem Message-ID: <28085251.1199836757865.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I saved the motor I had trouble with, so I'll try your method. This motor would stall repeatedly when running on 4 volts, so it fits your description. thanks, tom -----Original Message----- >From: Ron >Sent: Jan 8, 2008 5:41 PM >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Dr-8 problem > > >Tom, > >Actually, bad reel motors are fairly common. In >my limited experience, I have encountered several >in MR-1, CR-2 and BX-300, to name a few. > >The reason these motors generally do not respond to >DeOxit is that the problem is increased friction at >certain spots, not bad commutator/brush contact. >These spots are not 'dead', they are just slightly >worn and/or have higher friction. IOW, the problem >is not electrical, but mechanical. > >The motor will normally run well in REW and FF, but >fail in Play. This is because in Play mode it is >driven by far lower voltage and turns very slowly. >When encountering increased friction, it cannot >come up with the required torque to overcome it. > >What *may* repair the motor (but seldom actually >did for me) is to soak the front and rear bearings >in light machine oil for a few hours and burnish >the commutator with #0000 steel wool (make it very >smooth), then spray it with contact cleaner *with >lubricant*. > >-- Ron > > > >Tom Brucker wrote: >> The deck may have an intermittent reel motor, a problem which plagues only the newer Naks. The motor has a dead spot which for unknown reasons stops the motor at random times. You can try Deoxit in the brush slots, but the one I had didn't respond. You can substitute JVC motor # MSN5D257A-SA2 but you have to file the mounting holes just a bit. >> >> tom brucker >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: William Wheatley >>> Sent: Dec 30, 2007 1:44 PM >>> To: Naktalk >>> Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dr-8 problem >>> >>> Hello All, >>> I have a Nak Dr-8 that I have had for several years, and though it >>> gets used on a regular basis, it has not had a lot of hours of use >>> logged onto it. >>> A few weeks ago it began stopping at times when in record mode. >>> This seems to be an intermittent problem. I've been using new 90 minute >>> tapes, and it doesn't seem to make a difference what brand of tape I'm >>> using. >>> I've tried fast forwarding and rewinding the tape before recording, >>> to even up any tension. >>> Sometimes it will record fine- sometimes it will stop once during >>> the recording- sometimes several times- sometimes one side of the >>> cassette will be fine, and when turned over I'll have a problem with it >>> stopping on the other side while recording. >>> >>> Any ideas as to what the problem could be? Are there any >>> adjustments that could be made, or possible parts that should be checked >>> that might need replacing? >>> >>> I'm no repairman when it comes to Naks, but I do keep the deck clean >>> and demagnitized. >>> Thanks, >>> Bill >>> >> Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From emberphoto at hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 02:16:44 2008 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:16:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers In-Reply-To: <004c01c85226$f9c4fa90$d5d217c4@home> References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <004c01c85226$f9c4fa90$d5d217c4@home> Message-ID: Hi Folks, Well, I see Andy has raised this very practical issue for those of us with more Naks (or other line level sources) than good sense -- ooops, I mean inputs! ;-) And, yes, I do -- proudly -- consider myself in that group. I see at least one member has weighed in, in favor of the wonderful dbx 400 series switchers. About a year ago, a similar question was raised on NakTalk and I wrote up a narrative getting into just why the dbx 400 switchers were so well suited to this task, as well as other more specialized taping applications in which many of us may find ourselves. As this curiosity seems to be spreading, I will copy below what I wrote, with the hope y'all find it useful. I'd like to also state that I have some of these in fine-to-absolute mint condition for sale. My preference is always to offer such equipment to fellow Nakkers, who really understand such gear, first before going the ebay route. If you're wondering at any "disconnect" between my high praise and the desire to sell a few of these, the answer is simple: I recently upgraded the console in my studio to one with many more inputs than the one it replaced. Thus more dedicated inputs for multiple tape decks, and, consequentially, less need for as many external switchers such as the 400-X and -XGs. If interested, kindly contact me off-list. Steve Ember *********************************************************************** To the tape-hobbyist these units, in my experience, are leagues ahead of the other units I've seen in the posts in terms of their routing -- and monitoring -- capabilities. They are also useful when you have more line-level audio sources than inputs, although their real superiority lies in the multi tape deck domain. These were truly elegant, useful, and rationally designed units that allowed three tape decks to be monitored...or interconnected for cross-dubbing (with full monitoring flexibility!). Thus, typically, while one is, say, listening to an FM program, TP-1 can be feeding TP-2 and TP-3 in dubbing function. Not only that, but given 3-head decks, the dubs can be compared to the original by simply going to tape monitor on the preamp/receiver, and selecting the correct monitor button on the dbx router. When satisfied with your Rolling Stones dubs, back you go to Beethoven on the FM... But wait, it gets better: the dbx units had a NR loop that could be accessed by any deck in the rig. Perhaps more useful if some decks were open reel with need for external Dolby or dbx NRs, but also greatly useful for cassette decks old enough to be Dolby-B ONLY. Thus, an external Dolby B/C encode/decode unit (or even a dbx-II) can be inserted to improve S/N on such decks. Better still, these units also had THREE external processor loops, independent of the NR loop, which meant, if one had material that needed correcting -- EQ, single ended de-noising, etc.) such processors could be injected into the dubbing or listening path. Lastly, these units, in addition to being supremely intuitive, with exceptional instruction manuals, were absolutely sexy in appearance -- especially the 400-series which had small, tasteful status lights in red, amber, and green depending on function/routing selected, plus all the selector buttons (small squares) were illuminated in red. The 200- units were non-powered and performed the routing functions with rotary switches. The units had tasteful black panels and were rack width, one RU high. Not only that, but being products of the '80s, they were quality-built in Japan...like our better Naks! If the foregoing sounds like a commercial, I can tell you that, having owned and used several of these units, both 200- and 400-series, dbx truly did their homework in designing these -- one of the most useful enhancements the multi-deck owner could desire. I believe the list-member who started this thread wanted to work nine decks into his monitor loops. My experience: In my studio, I was actually running a combination of nine open-reel and cassette decks, for which I required sequential monitoring, especially regarding multiple copies among decks. The dbx units facilitated this wonderfully. Each unit's output was sent to a fader-pair on my (former) mixing console. Voila! I also used a few for routing other line-level sources to the console's limited number of faders. Additionally, I currently use such a unit in my main listening system, to facillitate connection of multiple line-level sources. To accomplish the nine-deck monitoring function (as well as the cross-dubbing and other functions mentioned above): 3 dbx-200 or -400 units would do it elegantly. Considering the more tape-friendly preamps or receivers, typically with two separate Tape Monitor loops (or the exceptionally tape-friendly Yamaha C-1 with THREE such loops), it's a simple matter to connect a dbx switcher to each loop. Absent multiple Tape Monitor loops, AUX or Tuner inputs would serve this purpose, at least for those decks you use exclusively for playback. Another plan would be if your preamp/receiver has an "External Processor" loop. Hope the foregoing proves helpful. I should mention also that, should anyone be interested, I do have a "surplus" of well-cared for (some mint) dbx routers in the 400-series that I'll be selling. And ONLY because I recently upgraded to a much larger mixing console in my studio, allowing more dedicated inputs/less external routing units. As this thread has become quite extensive, I thought I'd first offer my surplus units to interested NakTalk members, before turning to ebay. I'm also selling some surplus Nak decks in fine condition and a couple of the rare Nak system timers. If anyone's interested, kindly contact me off-list. Steve Ember emberphoto at hotmail.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:52 PM> Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers> > > >> > I'm sure a lot of us have this same problem:> >> > More tape decks than inputs on our amplifiers!> >> > We have more decks to input than our amplifiers> > were designed to handle, yet we still want to be> > able to use any of our tape decks at any time.> >> > Since there are a couple of ways to address this> > problem, I thought I would take an informal survey.> >> > How is everyone dealing with this issue?> >> > Do you do the old "unplug one and plug in the other"> > tactic, or do you employ some kind of audio switcher?> >> > What brand(s) of audio switchers are most recommended?> >> >> > *andy*> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vmcfer at aol.com Wed Jan 9 03:11:56 2008 From: vmcfer at aol.com (vmcfer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:11:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Problem with a LX-3 Message-ID: <8CA207C2512AA6D-1700-1FA7@FWM-D01.sysops.aol.com> Hello, I am the owner of a LX-3. During my recent moving the deck arrive with the motor mechanical stand broken. The motors support is broken at the attaching screws to the chassis. Did somebody knows if there are the same mechanical motor stand use in others nak deck ? Thanks. Regards, Victor ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Jan 9 06:36:26 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:36:26 EST Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers Message-ID: In a message dated 1/8/2008 7:25:29 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: Andy, The popular Nak option is the 610. It has full switching for 3 tape decks and 2 aux inputs. I have one that is a consignment piece. I have to check its operation, but you might look at the info on the Nak sites to determine if it will work for you. tom brucker In addition, the 610 also offers a number of test tones which you can use to calibrate your decks. It's one of the best preamps you can get for cassette decks. You can also run a 4th deck from the aux input and extra output, but you can't monitor that circuit. Jeff W **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 08:20:15 2008 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:20:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Updated Naks.com Wiki page In-Reply-To: <4783486E.1010103@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <68725.81229.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A very kind Naktalk member sent me his collection of Nak service bulletins for the purpose of converting them into electronic format. They include all NR-00xx documents from 01 all the way to 63 and couple of OOD-M-0xxx documents (309, 310) and a few OOD-SI-xxxx documents (3112, 3113, 3115, 3117). I have updated Wouter's Nak Wiki documents page with all the document information, descriptions, dates, etc. http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents I'm going to host the documents on my site, www.nakremotes.com in the Nak FAQ section and send them to Tomas Larrson's site www.ebaman.com You should start seeing the documents appearing in the next few days. Scott J. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Wed Jan 9 12:38:39 2008 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 06:38:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers In-Reply-To: <47839532.5010600@rcn.com> References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <47839532.5010600@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4784B23F.6030502@snet.net> Don't forget the venerable DBX 200 which has dubbing/monitoring for three decks, not to mention three signal processor loops. Ultimately that makes for up to six additional sources! Ed Ron wrote: > I don't have too many decks, but if I did, I > would consider building my own tape deck > switcher a worthwhile project. The cost > would be comparatively low and I would build > one to exactly meet my needs (maybe with a > couple of extra inputs). From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed Jan 9 12:55:50 2008 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:55:50 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak receivers Message-ID: Andy Lucky you on the SR3A. I can't help you on the Technics comparison but I would be interested in a closer comparison of the SR3A and TA4A. I picked up a SR3 last year but the TA seem to be very rare in Australia. The SR3 sounded a little raw at first hearing in my office setup, but made a big improvement to the living room setup where it replaced an old Luxman 1070 receiver. David From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 9 15:11:54 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:11:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers In-Reply-To: <00d201c8523a$e939f6d0$6801a8c0@number2> References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <47839532.5010600@rcn.com> <00d201c8523a$e939f6d0$6801a8c0@number2> Message-ID: <4784D62A.8020607@rcn.com> Sorry, no. In retrospect, I shouldn't have posted. If I had to do it, I would have designed the circuit myself (it's nothing more than a bunch of 4P2T switches with a couple of resistors thrown in), then put it together. I didn't stop to think that most other people are not inclined that to build stuff themselves. A similar thing happened a few weeks ago, when a discussion about TV stands erupted on a forum devoted to a specific 73" TV model. Again, as someone who enjoys building things myself, I suggested that DIY was the way to go: cost is a fraction of a commercial product and I got the exact piece of furniture I wanted (after all, I designed it myself). I am no carpenter and do not even have the required tools, yet I managed to come up with a nice finished setup, which people liked (I posted a picture), yet no one seemed to be interested in a DIY project. Bottom line: if you want an electrical design, I'll be happy to do one for you. Will probably take me a couple of hours. But, you'll need to read a (very simple) schematic and be able to build from it. Interested? Let me know. -- Ron orders at pennysconstruction wrote: > Ron > You got any links or or other ways to send me in the right direction to do > that myself? > Thanks Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:22 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers > > >> I don't have too many decks, but if I did, I >> would consider building my own tape deck >> switcher a worthwhile project. The cost >> would be comparatively low and I would build >> one to exactly meet my needs (maybe with a >> couple of extra inputs). >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >>> I'm sure a lot of us have this same problem: >>> >>> More tape decks than inputs on our amplifiers! >>> >>> We have more decks to input than our amplifiers >>> were designed to handle, yet we still want to be >>> able to use any of our tape decks at any time. >>> >>> Since there are a couple of ways to address this >>> problem, I thought I would take an informal survey. >>> >>> How is everyone dealing with this issue? >>> >>> Do you do the old "unplug one and plug in the other" >>> tactic, or do you employ some kind of audio switcher? >>> >>> What brand(s) of audio switchers are most recommended? >>> >>> >>> *andy* >>> From rjkent at comcast.net Wed Jan 9 16:12:45 2008 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 07:12:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] component switch Message-ID: <000f01c852d2$17040b90$6501a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Andy, I recently purchased a couple of component switches that I have been very happy with. In addition to analog audio, they also will switch digital audio and component video, so they could be used in your home theater system as well as analog audio system. They have 4 sets of inputs and 2 sets of outputs, but only the inputs are selectable.....the signal goes to both outputs. They are approx. 12" wide, 2" tall, and 7" deep, and have a sort of Marantz type of styling. The come with an IR remote and have indicator LEDs for the selected inputs. The manufacturer is CE Labs, and the model number is SW104HD (they are made in Thailand). Robert Kent Andy wrote: > > I'm sure a lot of us have this same problem: > > More tape decks than inputs on our amplifiers! > > We have more decks to input than our amplifiers > were designed to handle, yet we still want to be > able to use any of our tape decks at any time. > > Since there are a couple of ways to address this > problem, I thought I would take an informal survey. > > How is everyone dealing with this issue? > > Do you do the old "unplug one and plug in the other" > tactic, or do you employ some kind of audio switcher? > > What brand(s) of audio switchers are most recommended? > > *andy* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd like it to have selectable routing, (not too sure how to explain this), basicaly being able to choose input for a deck from different sources (other decks or main preamp source). While we wait for the gauges project to progress in Singapore, we might just give this a try. > Interested? Let me know. > Let's do it. I am no good with digital circuits, but can certainly help on the analog part. Wouter, we might just need to start a new mailman mailing list for it. How about [nakswitchers] ? Best rgds, LP. From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Jan 9 23:54:12 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:54:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: <4785330F.5020502@peromarta.org> References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <47839532.5010600@rcn.com> <00d201c8523a$e939f6d0$6801a8c0@number2> <4784D62A.8020607@rcn.com> <4785330F.5020502@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <47855094.7020903@xs4all.nl> Hi Luis, Your specs sound great! I'm using a vintage Sony 3-input switch and have been looking into buying one of these DBX 400x units, but this may be more dedicated! Is there a general interest in this project? Please respond! Wouter Luis Peromarta wrote: > Ron escribió: >> >> If >> I had to do it, I would have designed the circuit myself >> (it's nothing more than a bunch of 4P2T switches with a >> couple of resistors thrown in), > > I'd like it to be modular, bus-based (if that makes sense) i.e. be > able to expand by simply connecting more i/o boards. > > I'd like it to be fully buffered, so no problems with loads here and > there. > > I'd like it to have selectable routing, (not too sure how to explain > this), basicaly being able to choose input for a deck from different > sources (other decks or main preamp source). > > While we wait for the gauges project to progress in Singapore, we > might just give this a try. > >> Interested? Let me know. >> > > Let's do it. I am no good with digital circuits, but can certainly > help on the analog part. > > Wouter, we might just need to start a new mailman mailing list for it. > > How about [nakswitchers] ? > > Best rgds, LP. From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Jan 9 17:22:58 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:22:58 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak receivers Message-ID: In a message dated 1/9/2008 7:36:15 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, davidt124 at internode.on.net writes: can't help you on the Technics comparison but I would be interested in a closer comparison of the SR3A and TA4A. I picked up a SR3 last year but the TA seem to be very rare in Australia. The SR3 sounded a little raw at first hearing in my office setup, but made a big improvement to the living room setup where it replaced an old Luxman 1070 receiver. The SR and TA series were both designed by Nelson Pass of Threshold Amps and used his "stasis technology." The main difference is the in the remote functions. The SR was introduced before the IR remote was common, and only the SR-4 can be operated by remote, I believe. And, that remote only controls the basic tuner functions of the receiver. The TA-2-3-4 have full system remotes which control the receiver, a Nak CD, and all the Nak decks with a 8-pin DIN remote input via a cable. The TA-3-4 will control 2 decks. After the TA series, Nak went to a stereo mini-jack cable which is compatible with the Cassette Deck and DR series decks. You have to have an adapter for the later amps to run the classic decks via remote. One thing about the remote for the TA series - it has "Reverse" for tape decks on it, so you can use it with a Dragon or RX 303 & 505. Most of the remotes for the later receivers, like the RE-10, don't have this feature. Jeff W **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Jan 9 17:33:26 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:33:26 EST Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers Message-ID: In a message dated 1/9/2008 3:44:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, enoyes at snet.net writes: Don't forget the venerable DBX 200 which has dubbing/monitoring for three decks, not to mention three signal processor loops. Ultimately that makes for up to six additional sources! Ed Hi Ed, I had a DBX-200 that wore out which is why I didn't recommend it. I think most people would be better off with the later versions, the DBX-400 or 400X which are on eBay all the time. I also use the Niles TSB-3, a bare-bones box which is still being manufactured. You can get it from J&R and Crutchfield. Jeff W **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg56322 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 17:35:45 2008 From: bg56322 at yahoo.com (Bob Petrovich) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:35:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Audio Switchers Message-ID: <811867.1636.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I second Jeff W recommendation of DBX 400 and 400X switchers, but I recommend DBX 400XG because of the aestetics - The looks and feel are as if made by Nakamichi. The same black faceplate color, the same golden lettering color used on RX-505 or ZX-9. Square pushbuttons looks like ones on ST-7 tuner. It seems to me that DBX has done it on purpose - DBX 400xG blends seamlessly into NAk rack. 400XG is rare, but pops up from time to time on epay. I guess it is no different from 400 or 400X soundwise, i.e. dead silent with no distortion of its own. It has three tape loops and two processor loops that can be used as additional 2 playback only inputs, thus you can control 5 decks with a single 400XG two of them as playback only decks and three of them as playback/recording units. I am wary of using cheap switchers - I am concern that it can put too much load. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 20:25:57 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:25:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <364800.8126.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The DBX models are great, but if you don't need the extra processor routing, and want something new, the Niles is very nice. I've had no problem with mine. Crutchfield sells it for $99.99, but I see J&R selling them now for $69.97 http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=23527 Both companies sell on amazon if you prefer to use that. (I've never bought from J&R). David --- Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/8/2008 5:01:12 A.M. Pacific > Standard Time, > hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: > > What brand(s) of audio switchers are most > recommended? > > > > There are two which are readily available, the Niles > TSB-3 & the DBX-400 (or > DBX-400X) > The Niles is a bare-bones 3 deck switcher. The DBX > allows you to send the > signal through an outboard noise reduction unit and > 2 sound processors. > I use both. They're great. > > > Jeff W > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways > to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From orders at pennysconstruction.com Thu Jan 10 00:13:55 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:13:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <47839532.5010600@rcn.com><00d201c8523a$e939f6d0$6801a8c0@number2> <4784D62A.8020607@rcn.com> Message-ID: <006a01c85315$4ebff240$6801a8c0@number2> Ron I'm an electrician, so I can read a schematic. If you designed some thing, would it be all right if I found parts and asked your opinion of them? Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers > > Sorry, no. In retrospect, I shouldn't have posted. If > I had to do it, I would have designed the circuit myself > (it's nothing more than a bunch of 4P2T switches with a > couple of resistors thrown in), then put it together. I > didn't stop to think that most other people are not > inclined that to build stuff themselves. > > A similar thing happened a few weeks ago, when a > discussion about TV stands erupted on a forum devoted > to a specific 73" TV model. Again, as someone who > enjoys building things myself, I suggested that DIY > was the way to go: cost is a fraction of a commercial > product and I got the exact piece of furniture I > wanted (after all, I designed it myself). I am no > carpenter and do not even have the required tools, > yet I managed to come up with a nice finished setup, > which people liked (I posted a picture), yet no one > seemed to be interested in a DIY project. > > Bottom line: if you want an electrical design, I'll > be happy to do one for you. Will probably take me a > couple of hours. But, you'll need to read a (very > simple) schematic and be able to build from it. > Interested? Let me know. > > -- Ron > > > > > orders at pennysconstruction wrote: > > Ron > > You got any links or or other ways to send me in the right direction to do > > that myself? > > Thanks Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:22 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers > > > > > >> I don't have too many decks, but if I did, I > >> would consider building my own tape deck > >> switcher a worthwhile project. The cost > >> would be comparatively low and I would build > >> one to exactly meet my needs (maybe with a > >> couple of extra inputs). > >> > >> -- Ron > >> > >> > >> > >> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > >>> I'm sure a lot of us have this same problem: > >>> > >>> More tape decks than inputs on our amplifiers! > >>> > >>> We have more decks to input than our amplifiers > >>> were designed to handle, yet we still want to be > >>> able to use any of our tape decks at any time. > >>> > >>> Since there are a couple of ways to address this > >>> problem, I thought I would take an informal survey. > >>> > >>> How is everyone dealing with this issue? > >>> > >>> Do you do the old "unplug one and plug in the other" > >>> tactic, or do you employ some kind of audio switcher? > >>> > >>> What brand(s) of audio switchers are most recommended? > >>> > >>> > >>> *andy* > >>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From orders at pennysconstruction.com Thu Jan 10 00:43:17 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:43:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <47839532.5010600@rcn.com> <00d201c8523a$e939f6d0$6801a8c0@number2> <4784D62A.8020607@rcn.com><4785330F.5020502@peromarta.org> <47855094.7020903@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <009701c85319$692920d0$6801a8c0@number2> Wouter & Luis I have interst in this. Was there talk about a group project or something? I'd be up for this. I'm an electrican not an eltronics technician, but I have some experiance with repairs and such. I also do wood working and could make wood cabinets. One of my employiess works with metal, so I could get him to work on the cabinets. He's not as good a metal finisher as the other two of us are at finishing wood projects. I also "might" have some extra parts. My main goal with the questions is to be able to have several (maybe 10) sterio inputs, direct them to 3 or 4 places and moniter them periodicly. I'm not talking about using all 10 inputs at once, I just don't want have disconnect and connect wires eveytime I change my mind about what I want to play and record. I'm an electrician with a complete woodshop. It started out as a hobby, and. I'm in Chicago. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project > Hi Luis, > > Your specs sound great! I'm using a vintage Sony 3-input switch and have > been looking into buying one of these DBX 400x units, but this may be > more dedicated! > Is there a general interest in this project? Please respond! > > Wouter > > > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > Ron escribió: > >> > >> If > >> I had to do it, I would have designed the circuit myself > >> (it's nothing more than a bunch of 4P2T switches with a > >> couple of resistors thrown in), > > > > I'd like it to be modular, bus-based (if that makes sense) i.e. be > > able to expand by simply connecting more i/o boards. > > > > I'd like it to be fully buffered, so no problems with loads here and > > there. > > > > I'd like it to have selectable routing, (not too sure how to explain > > this), basicaly being able to choose input for a deck from different > > sources (other decks or main preamp source). > > > > While we wait for the gauges project to progress in Singapore, we > > might just give this a try. > > > >> Interested? Let me know. > >> > > > > Let's do it. I am no good with digital circuits, but can certainly > > help on the analog part. > > > > Wouter, we might just need to start a new mailman mailing list for it. > > > > How about [nakswitchers] ? > > > > Best rgds, LP. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From dball1 at woh.rr.com Thu Jan 10 01:23:28 2008 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:23:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: <47855094.7020903@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: Wouter, I'm always up for a little d-i-y. And the way Ron makes it sound, it should be simple enought for my skill set =;-)) Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:54 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project Hi Luis, Your specs sound great! I'm using a vintage Sony 3-input switch and have been looking into buying one of these DBX 400x units, but this may be more dedicated! Is there a general interest in this project? Please respond! Wouter Luis Peromarta wrote: > Ron escribió: >> >> If >> I had to do it, I would have designed the circuit myself >> (it's nothing more than a bunch of 4P2T switches with a >> couple of resistors thrown in), > > I'd like it to be modular, bus-based (if that makes sense) i.e. be > able to expand by simply connecting more i/o boards. > > I'd like it to be fully buffered, so no problems with loads here and > there. > > I'd like it to have selectable routing, (not too sure how to explain > this), basicaly being able to choose input for a deck from different > sources (other decks or main preamp source). > > While we wait for the gauges project to progress in Singapore, we > might just give this a try. > >> Interested? Let me know. >> > > Let's do it. I am no good with digital circuits, but can certainly > help on the analog part. > > Wouter, we might just need to start a new mailman mailing list for it. > > How about [nakswitchers] ? > > Best rgds, LP. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 02:40:55 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:40:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: You Gotta Love This Kid!! In-Reply-To: <200801081103.m08B1gqS031084@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <467965.99651.qm@web60518.mail.yahoo.com> Andy, Yeah! Awwww....a retro stereo, adolescent geek, wow. How can ya not love this boy, pimples and all??!! His 'differentness' is amazing and he probably takes some heat from the 'cool' kids, but with that enthusiasm & energy, he'll be the success story someday.;-) Thanks for that link and description! Kevin At 08:09 AM 1/8/2008, you wrote: >I was nosing around on YouTube one day, >and I came across some videos by a 15 >year old kid who lives in Little Rock, Arkansas. >He is obsessed with vintage tape recorders >and vintage audio/video gear in general. > >In the old version of his bio, he states that he >rarely listens to CDs. A soul brother! LOL > >He uploads a lot of silly videos, as you might >expect a teenager to do, but the majority of the >videos he makes show him with various pieces >of weird old audio and video gear that he finds >at yard sales. > >He doesn't have anything "high end" and >certainly doesn't have any Nakamichi decks, but >he does have a metric TON of very unique >cassette players, r2r tape recorders, and very OLD >stereo systems. > >He does all of his own electronic repairs and >restoration work and manages to fix things more >often than not. He is very enthusiastic and truly >loves old technology. > >Looking at his videos is like a trip back in time, to >a place where fake woodgrain reigned supreme, >and home stereo equipment was actually purchased >at a department store instead of a high-end salon.... > >Once in while, you will catch a glimpse of his bedroom, >and it looks like a mutant stereo store from some parallel >dimension. Shelves and shelves of stuff neatly arranged, >with a modest little workbench by the window. > >I was just like this kid once...heck, I still *am*!!! > >Check him out: > >http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=CassetteMaster > > >*andy* ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jan 10 02:44:43 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:44:43 EST Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo transport belts for sale, BX, CR etc. Message-ID: Hi Y'all, As of today, I have a small number of Sankyo transport belts for sale left over from my search for good belts. There are 3 different belts used in the Sankyo transport Naks - 1. Single-capstan 2 head models - BX models (except BX-300), CR 1&2, Cassette Deck 2, DR 2&8, MR-2 2. Direct drive 3 head decks - BX-300, MR-1, CR 4-5-7 3. Belt driven 3 head decks - CR-3, Cassette Deck 1&1.5, DR-1-2-10 In addition, a tape tension belt is used for categories 2 & 3 above. I'm asking $8 per drive belt Paypal shipped anywhere in the world to Naktalkers. If you want a tape tension belt, add $3 for a total of $11 shipped anywhere. I've checked these belts for wow&flutter and they perform within specs - below specs, in some cases. Thanks Jeff Whittier **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 05:21:09 2008 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:21:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: <4785330F.5020502@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <423596.56615.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For one of my current projects (not a switcher, but, a tube electrostatic headphone amplifier) I'm using a fairly new ultra low distortion, low noise Op-Amp from National Semi. The LM4562 has a THD of 0.00003% typ (that's four zeros). It's specs are two orders of magnitude lower distortion than my test equipment that I bought for the project (a Tektronix AA5001 distortion analyzer and SG505 low distortion sine wave generator). I haven't heard them for myself yet, but, the specs sound really good. SJ The LME49740, LME49720 and LME49860 are newer version of the LM4562 with similar specs. Luis Peromarta wrote: Ron escribió: > > If > I had to do it, I would have designed the circuit myself > (it's nothing more than a bunch of 4P2T switches with a > couple of resistors thrown in), I'd like it to be modular, bus-based (if that makes sense) i.e. be able to expand by simply connecting more i/o boards. I'd like it to be fully buffered, so no problems with loads here and there. I'd like it to have selectable routing, (not too sure how to explain this), basicaly being able to choose input for a deck from different sources (other decks or main preamp source). While we wait for the gauges project to progress in Singapore, we might just give this a try. > Interested? Let me know. > Let's do it. I am no good with digital circuits, but can certainly help on the analog part. Wouter, we might just need to start a new mailman mailing list for it. How about [nakswitchers] ? 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Jan 10 09:57:57 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:57:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: <47855094.7020903@xs4all.nl> References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <47839532.5010600@rcn.com> <00d201c8523a$e939f6d0$6801a8c0@number2> <4784D62A.8020607@rcn.com> <4785330F.5020502@peromarta.org> <47855094.7020903@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <4785DE15.8020806@peromarta.org> Wouter Heijke escribió: > Hi Luis, > > Your specs sound great! I'm using a vintage Sony 3-input switch and have > been looking into buying one of these DBX 400x units, but this may be > more dedicated! > Is there a general interest in this project? Please respond! > > Wouter > Some other nice features would be a pair of accurate analog VU meters, that could also be used to calibrate decks, maybe a 0db and -20db indicator leds, maybe a simple 400HKz + 15KHz tone generator (not all decks have a manual test tone). Buffered inputs with 2x gain stages and a later adjustable volume could be used to match 1V-nominal output naks with older, lower output machines. rgds, LP. From luis at peromarta.org Thu Jan 10 10:02:04 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:02:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo transport belts for sale, BX, CR etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4785DF0C.40206@peromarta.org> Hi Jeff, If the sets for bX-300 and CR-7 perform as stated, I would like 2 sets (transport + tape tension) if you have them. Would that spare me some shipping costs? Thanks, best rgds, LP. Bansijeff at aol.com escribió: > Hi Y'all, > > As of today, I have a small number of Sankyo transport belts for sale > left over from my search for good belts. > > There are 3 different belts used in the Sankyo transport Naks - > 1. Single-capstan 2 head models - BX models (except BX-300), CR 1&2, > Cassette Deck 2, DR 2&8, MR-2 > 2. Direct drive 3 head decks - BX-300, MR-1, CR 4-5-7 > 3. Belt driven 3 head decks - CR-3, Cassette Deck 1&1.5, DR-1-2-10 > > In addition, a tape tension belt is used for categories 2 & 3 above. > > I'm asking $8 per drive belt Paypal shipped anywhere in the world to > Naktalkers. > If you want a tape tension belt, add $3 for a total of $11 shipped anywhere. > > I've checked these belts for wow&flutter and they perform within specs - > below specs, in some cases. > > Thanks > > Jeff Whittier > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape > > in the new year. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Thu Jan 10 15:52:38 2008 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:52:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Autostop bulb Message-ID: <00df01c85398$72b79f30$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Just an update mainly for UK based Naktalkers that I needed to find a suitable replacement bulb recently & managed to do so at Cricklewood Electronics [ http://www.cricklewoodelectronics.com/Cricklewood/home.php?cat=330 ] where their item WT1440 14V 40Ma radial lamp proved to be an excellent match for the defunct one in my 480Z. I was initially uncertain about the voltage etc but Scott's website suggested it was in range & this proved to be the case. Ptherb nearest match was at Maplins but this was 12V 70Ma [size OK] Regards Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 10 16:08:15 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:08:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: <4785330F.5020502@peromarta.org> References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <47839532.5010600@rcn.com> <00d201c8523a$e939f6d0$6801a8c0@number2> <4784D62A.8020607@rcn.com> <4785330F.5020502@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <478634DF.5060904@rcn.com> Luis Peromarta wrote: > Ron escribió: >> >> If >> I had to do it, I would have designed the circuit myself >> (it's nothing more than a bunch of 4P2T switches with a >> couple of resistors thrown in), > > I'd like it to be modular, bus-based (if that makes sense) i.e. be able > to expand by simply connecting more i/o boards. That's easily done. The design can be modular and extensible, but not bus based. However, without buffering I would limit the switcher to no more than 3 or 4 decks. > I'd like it to be fully buffered, so no problems with loads here and there. Consider the advantages of a fully passive design. Once you introduce buffering (yes, I do realize the advantages) you also need a power supply, shielding, etc. The implementation becomes at least as (maybe even more) important than the electrical design. At this point, this is no longer a project for the weekend hobbyist and will no longer take a couple of hours to design. Since the design must now include a PCB layout, it will not be particularly low cost to build. > I'd like it to have selectable routing, (not too sure how to explain > this), basicaly being able to choose input for a deck from different > sources (other decks or main preamp source). What I understood the original discussion was about was a straightforward switcher. meaning: A box into which you plug the tape loop of an amp or receiver, and, say, 3 or 3 decks. A 3 or 4 button mechanical switch on the front panel will let you select which deck is connected to the amp. That's it. No interaction between decks, no recording deck to deck. This would be simple to do. For what you now require, Modularity and extensibility become an issue and you do need a bus structure... I would envision two rows of buttons: one for selecting monitored deck, the other for selecting recording deck. Here, buffering will be beneficial, though not absolutely mandatory. Since you now have a power supply and a PCB, you may as well have electronic switching. The front panel push buttons may now be simple spring return switches and decks selected electronically as well. This ambitious switcher will probably be more expensive than commercial units, due to the small units to be produced. I doubt there will be many here that will undertake such a DIY project. Bottom line: how about a fully passive (non buffered) switcher that does allow separate selection of monitoring and recording (will allow deck to deck interaction), for 4 decks. Easy to put together by the casual hobbyist and reasonably inexpensive? If there is enough interest, a PCB can be laid out and ordered, otherwise, point to point construction. What do you think? -- Ron > > While we wait for the gauges project to progress in Singapore, we might > just give this a try. > >> Interested? Let me know. >> > > Let's do it. I am no good with digital circuits, but can certainly help > on the analog part. > > Wouter, we might just need to start a new mailman mailing list for it. > > How about [nakswitchers] ? > > Best rgds, LP. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jan 10 16:10:16 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:10:16 EST Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo transport belts for sale, BX, CR etc. Message-ID: In a message dated 1/10/2008 1:04:09 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, luis at peromarta.org writes: If the sets for bX-300 and CR-7 perform as stated, I would like 2 sets (transport + tape tension) if you have them. Would that spare me some shipping costs? Hi Luis, You can have 2 sets for $21. You can Paypal the money to this email address. Is your address for shipping the same as the one on your Paypal receipt? The belts have been vetted twice, once on a T-100, once on a Fidelia wow & flutter machine. Thanks Jeff **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 10 16:17:52 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:17:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers In-Reply-To: <006a01c85315$4ebff240$6801a8c0@number2> References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <47839532.5010600@rcn.com><00d201c8523a$e939f6d0$6801a8c0@number2> <4784D62A.8020607@rcn.com> <006a01c85315$4ebff240$6801a8c0@number2> Message-ID: <47863720.1030605@rcn.com> Mike, Sure... This is a hobby -- everything is alright. See my response to Luis. What do you think of my suggestion? -- Ron orders at pennysconstruction wrote: > Ron > I'm an electrician, so I can read a schematic. > If you designed some thing, would it be all right if I found parts and asked > your opinion of them? > Thanks Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:11 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers > > >> Sorry, no. In retrospect, I shouldn't have posted. If >> I had to do it, I would have designed the circuit myself >> (it's nothing more than a bunch of 4P2T switches with a >> couple of resistors thrown in), then put it together. I >> didn't stop to think that most other people are not >> inclined that to build stuff themselves. >> >> A similar thing happened a few weeks ago, when a >> discussion about TV stands erupted on a forum devoted >> to a specific 73" TV model. Again, as someone who >> enjoys building things myself, I suggested that DIY >> was the way to go: cost is a fraction of a commercial >> product and I got the exact piece of furniture I >> wanted (after all, I designed it myself). I am no >> carpenter and do not even have the required tools, >> yet I managed to come up with a nice finished setup, >> which people liked (I posted a picture), yet no one >> seemed to be interested in a DIY project. >> >> Bottom line: if you want an electrical design, I'll >> be happy to do one for you. Will probably take me a >> couple of hours. But, you'll need to read a (very >> simple) schematic and be able to build from it. >> Interested? Let me know. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> orders at pennysconstruction wrote: >>> Ron >>> You got any links or or other ways to send me in the right direction to > do >>> that myself? >>> Thanks Mike >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ron" >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:22 AM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers >>> >>> >>>> I don't have too many decks, but if I did, I >>>> would consider building my own tape deck >>>> switcher a worthwhile project. The cost >>>> would be comparatively low and I would build >>>> one to exactly meet my needs (maybe with a >>>> couple of extra inputs). >>>> >>>> -- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >>>>> I'm sure a lot of us have this same problem: >>>>> >>>>> More tape decks than inputs on our amplifiers! >>>>> >>>>> We have more decks to input than our amplifiers >>>>> were designed to handle, yet we still want to be >>>>> able to use any of our tape decks at any time. >>>>> >>>>> Since there are a couple of ways to address this >>>>> problem, I thought I would take an informal survey. >>>>> >>>>> How is everyone dealing with this issue? >>>>> >>>>> Do you do the old "unplug one and plug in the other" >>>>> tactic, or do you employ some kind of audio switcher? >>>>> >>>>> What brand(s) of audio switchers are most recommended? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 10 16:25:19 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:25:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: <423596.56615.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <423596.56615.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <478638DF.2090902@rcn.com> Scott, The buffering itself is no big deal. There are several op-amp types that have extremely low levels of distortion and (even more important) extremely low noise levels. Those I have used (in a phono stage, for instance) sound great. The issue is the increased complexity of the project -- impractical for the small number of units that are likely to be built. -- Ron Scott Johnson wrote: > For one of my current projects (not a switcher, but, a tube > electrostatic headphone amplifier) I'm using a fairly new ultra low > distortion, low noise Op-Amp from National Semi. The LM4562 has a THD > of 0.00003% typ (that's four zeros). It's specs are two orders of > magnitude lower distortion than my test equipment that I bought for the > project (a Tektronix AA5001 distortion analyzer and SG505 low distortion > sine wave generator). > I haven't heard them for myself yet, but, the specs sound really good. > > SJ > > The LME49740, LME49720 and LME49860 are newer version of the LM4562 with > similar specs. > > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > Ron escribió: > > > > If > > I had to do it, I would have designed the circuit myself > > (it's nothing more than a bunch of 4P2T switches with a > > couple of resistors thrown in), > > I'd like it to be modular, bus-based (if that makes sense) i.e. be able > to expand by simply connecting more i/o boards. > > I'd like it to be fully buffered, so no problems with loads here and > there. > > I'd like it to have selectable routing, (not too sure how to explain > this), basicaly being able to choose input for a deck from different > sources (other decks or main preamp source). > > While we wait for the gauges project to progress in Singapore, we might > just give this a try. > > > Interested? Let me know. > > > > Let's do it. I am no good with digital circuits, but can certainly help > on the analog part. > > Wouter, we might just need to start a new mailman mailing list for it. > > How about [nakswitchers] ? > > Best rgds, LP. > From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jan 10 18:03:32 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:03:32 EST Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 belt for sale Message-ID: Hi Y'all, Oh yeah, I forgot to mention I have a belt which T-100-ed at specs on the ZX-9 too. $8 Paypal including shipping anywhere in the world. Thanks Jeff Whittier **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 19:03:06 2008 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:03:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo transport belts for sale, BX, CR etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <158145.5274.qm@web83716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello Jeff, I'd be interested in picking up a set for my MR-1. Should I just use the Bansijeff at aol.com email address? Thanks for the offfer, Jesse > Hi Y'all, > > As of today, I have a small number of Sankyo > transport belts for sale left > over from my search for good belts. > > There are 3 different belts used in the Sankyo > transport Naks - > 1. Single-capstan 2 head models - BX models > (except BX-300), CR 1&2, > Cassette Deck 2, DR 2&8, MR-2 > 2. Direct drive 3 head decks - BX-300, MR-1, CR > 4-5-7 > 3. Belt driven 3 head decks - CR-3, Cassette Deck > 1&1.5, DR-1-2-10 > > In addition, a tape tension belt is used for > categories 2 & 3 above. > > I'm asking $8 per drive belt Paypal shipped anywhere > in the world to > Naktalkers. > If you want a tape tension belt, add $3 for a total > of $11 shipped anywhere. > > I've checked these belts for wow&flutter and they > perform within specs - > below specs, in some cases. > > Thanks > > Jeff Whittier > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways > to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 20:54:03 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:54:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo transport belts for sale, BX, CR etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <96842.95526.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jeff I need four belts for CR4/7 capstan /- I will also take the backtension as well - if you are having, I can paypal once you say that you have Thanks Kannan Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/10/2008 1:04:09 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, luis at peromarta.org writes: If the sets for bX-300 and CR-7 perform as stated, I would like 2 sets (transport + tape tension) if you have them. Would that spare me some shipping costs? Hi Luis, You can have 2 sets for $21. You can Paypal the money to this email address. Is your address for shipping the same as the one on your Paypal receipt? The belts have been vetted twice, once on a T-100, once on a Fidelia wow & flutter machine. Thanks Jeff --------------------------------- Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 10 22:43:32 2008 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:43:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: <478638DF.2090902@rcn.com> Message-ID: <171745.56483.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gotta add remote capability! SJ Ron wrote: Scott, The buffering itself is no big deal. There are several op-amp types that have extremely low levels of distortion and (even more important) extremely low noise levels. Those I have used (in a phono stage, for instance) sound great. The issue is the increased complexity of the project -- impractical for the small number of units that are likely to be built. -- Ron Scott Johnson wrote: > For one of my current projects (not a switcher, but, a tube > electrostatic headphone amplifier) I'm using a fairly new ultra low > distortion, low noise Op-Amp from National Semi. The LM4562 has a THD > of 0.00003% typ (that's four zeros). It's specs are two orders of > magnitude lower distortion than my test equipment that I bought for the > project (a Tektronix AA5001 distortion analyzer and SG505 low distortion > sine wave generator). > I haven't heard them for myself yet, but, the specs sound really good. > > SJ > > The LME49740, LME49720 and LME49860 are newer version of the LM4562 with > similar specs. > > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > Ron escribió: > > > > If > > I had to do it, I would have designed the circuit myself > > (it's nothing more than a bunch of 4P2T switches with a > > couple of resistors thrown in), > > I'd like it to be modular, bus-based (if that makes sense) i.e. be able > to expand by simply connecting more i/o boards. > > I'd like it to be fully buffered, so no problems with loads here and > there. > > I'd like it to have selectable routing, (not too sure how to explain > this), basicaly being able to choose input for a deck from different > sources (other decks or main preamp source). > > While we wait for the gauges project to progress in Singapore, we might > just give this a try. > > > Interested? Let me know. > > > > Let's do it. I am no good with digital circuits, but can certainly help > on the analog part. > > Wouter, we might just need to start a new mailman mailing list for it. > > How about [nakswitchers] ? > > Best rgds, LP. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orders at pennysconstruction.com Fri Jan 11 00:52:47 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:52:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <47839532.5010600@rcn.com> <00d201c8523a$e939f6d0$6801a8c0@number2> <4784D62A.8020607@rcn.com><4785330F.5020502@peromarta.org> <478634DF.5060904@rcn.com> Message-ID: <006001c853e3$e743a1f0$6801a8c0@number2> Ron I don't know what to think. I'm likeing the idea, but it looks to me that people are looking to you for the answers. I think we have poeple with different wants/ needs. I also don't think people want to make this too hard on you, there just expressing there ideas. I had originaly pictured a simple (in my mind) group of switchs kind of like the old phone switch board (like the Andy Griffth show). Several inputs (maybe 10), with a few outputs (maybe 4), so that I could record more than one thing at a time. I'd like to be able to moniter them once in a while to see where the tape was at. Perhaps this could easily be accomplished with more than one simpler unit in series. I'm also good with a simple unit with like 4 inputs. I could do something like split the room, one side just won't be able to record from the other side of the room. If this switch set up, had an output for monitering, I could run that to an A/B switch. So I could check on either side. I'm fairly sure that everybody here would like these switches not to add any noise to the recording or playback. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project > Luis Peromarta wrote: > > Ron escribió: > >> > >> If > >> I had to do it, I would have designed the circuit myself > >> (it's nothing more than a bunch of 4P2T switches with a > >> couple of resistors thrown in), > > > > I'd like it to be modular, bus-based (if that makes sense) i.e. be able > > to expand by simply connecting more i/o boards. > > That's easily done. The design can be > modular and extensible, but not bus based. > However, without buffering I would limit > the switcher to no more than 3 or 4 decks. > > > I'd like it to be fully buffered, so no problems with loads here and there. > > Consider the advantages of a fully passive > design. Once you introduce buffering (yes, > I do realize the advantages) you also need > a power supply, shielding, etc. The > implementation becomes at least as (maybe > even more) important than the electrical > design. > > At this point, this is no longer a project > for the weekend hobbyist and will no longer > take a couple of hours to design. Since the > design must now include a PCB layout, it > will not be particularly low cost to build. > > > I'd like it to have selectable routing, (not too sure how to explain > > this), basicaly being able to choose input for a deck from different > > sources (other decks or main preamp source). > > What I understood the original discussion was > about was a straightforward switcher. meaning: > A box into which you plug the tape loop of an > amp or receiver, and, say, 3 or 3 decks. A 3 > or 4 button mechanical switch on the front > panel will let you select which deck is > connected to the amp. That's it. No interaction > between decks, no recording deck to deck. This > would be simple to do. > > For what you now require, Modularity and > extensibility become an issue and you do need > a bus structure... I would envision two rows > of buttons: one for selecting monitored deck, > the other for selecting recording deck. > Here, buffering will be beneficial, though > not absolutely mandatory. > > Since you now have a power supply and a PCB, > you may as well have electronic switching. > The front panel push buttons may now be simple > spring return switches and decks selected > electronically as well. > > This ambitious switcher will probably be more > expensive than commercial units, due to the > small units to be produced. I doubt there will > be many here that will undertake such a DIY > project. > > Bottom line: how about a fully passive (non > buffered) switcher that does allow separate > selection of monitoring and recording (will > allow deck to deck interaction), for 4 decks. > Easy to put together by the casual hobbyist > and reasonably inexpensive? > > If there is enough interest, a PCB can be > laid out and ordered, otherwise, point to > point construction. What do you think? > > -- Ron > > > > > > While we wait for the gauges project to progress in Singapore, we might > > just give this a try. > > > >> Interested? Let me know. > >> > > > > Let's do it. I am no good with digital circuits, but can certainly help > > on the analog part. > > > > Wouter, we might just need to start a new mailman mailing list for it. > > > > How about [nakswitchers] ? > > > > Best rgds, LP. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jan 11 02:39:23 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:39:23 EST Subject: [naktalk] New Nak 8-pin DIN connectors for sale - NIB - $13 Message-ID: I have an unopened package of 2 Nakamichi 8-pin DIN connectors for making your own cable or remote connection. I'll sell them for $13 Paypal including shipping anywhere in the US. No overseas shipping on this as it's too expensive. Jeff Whittier **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Fri Jan 11 02:40:11 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:40:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers Message-ID: <8CA220A09F20CD8-1070-9FC@FWM-D05.sysops.aol.com> Andy, I have the Pioneer U-24 unit still from my old series 20 system: ? http://www.silverpioneer.netfirms.com/u24_program_sel.htm This unit will allow one tape loop to be expanded to four loops, with tape to tape dubbing facilities too.? Very handy. It will also allow 2 aux and 3 phono connections if desired. The 2 aux are used for tape playback only in my case. Infact I have 2 of these units which allowed 8 decks to be employed on my previous reciever and 4 further decks playback only. I now only have 1 tape loop on the McIntosh Amp so plug one unit into the other to create 7 loops for my 7 naks. Reasonably attractive units which are 420mm wide and 80 tall. Regards, Ben ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail ! - http://webmail.aim.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 11 15:09:23 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:09:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: <171745.56483.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <171745.56483.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47877893.4000001@rcn.com> Scott, You are probably joking, but this is an enticing idea. If we do that, though, then we certainly should include buffering and electronic switching. At that point, the switcher will be nothing like what the OP talked about. -- Ron Scott Johnson wrote: > Gotta add remote capability! > > SJ > > */Ron /* wrote: > > > Scott, > The buffering itself is no big deal. There are > several op-amp types that have extremely low > levels of distortion and (even more important) > extremely low noise levels. Those I have used > (in a phono stage, for instance) sound great. > The issue is the increased complexity of the > project -- impractical for the small number of > units that are likely to be built. > > -- Ron > > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > For one of my current projects (not a switcher, but, a tube > > electrostatic headphone amplifier) I'm using a fairly new ultra low > > distortion, low noise Op-Amp from National Semi. The LM4562 has a > THD > > of 0.00003% typ (that's four zeros). It's specs are two orders of > > magnitude lower distortion than my test equipment that I bought > for the > > project (a Tektronix AA5001 distortion analyzer and SG505 low > distortion > > sine wave generator). > > I haven't heard them for myself yet, but, the specs sound really > good. > > > > SJ > > > > The LME49740, LME49720 and LME49860 are newer version of the > LM4562 with > > similar specs. > > > > > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > > > Ron escribió: > > > > > > If > > > I had to do it, I would have designed the circuit myself > > > (it's nothing more than a bunch of 4P2T switches with a > > > couple of resistors thrown in), > > > > I'd like it to be modular, bus-based (if that makes sense) i.e. > be able > > to expand by simply connecting more i/o boards. > > > > I'd like it to be fully buffered, so no problems with loads here and > > there. > > > > I'd like it to have selectable routing, (not too sure how to explain > > this), basicaly being able to choose input for a deck from different > > sources (other decks or main preamp source). > > > > While we wait for the gauges project to progress in Singapore, we > might > > just give this a try. > > > > > Interested? Let me know. > > > > > > > Let's do it. I am no good with digital circuits, but can > certainly help > > on the analog part. > > > > Wouter, we might just need to start a new mailman mailing list > for it. > > > > How about [nakswitchers] ? > > > > Best rgds, LP. > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 11 15:23:48 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:23:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: <006001c853e3$e743a1f0$6801a8c0@number2> References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <47839532.5010600@rcn.com> <00d201c8523a$e939f6d0$6801a8c0@number2> <4784D62A.8020607@rcn.com><4785330F.5020502@peromarta.org> <478634DF.5060904@rcn.com> <006001c853e3$e743a1f0$6801a8c0@number2> Message-ID: <47877BF4.2040109@rcn.com> Mike, let me set your mind at ease... As I already stated, I have no need for a switcher. Audio (especially, analog audio) is my hobby and interest. All we are doing so far is shooting the breeze, simply exchanging ideas. What I said I'd do is provide an electrical design schematic when we are done figuring out what switcher people want. So far it looks like two different switchers are emerging. One is a simple, non buffered, selector for 4 decks, allowing each deck to connect to an amp and also, to each of the other decks. This should be low in cost and easy for the casual hobbyist to construct. The other switcher would be an 'pull all the stops, include everything but the kitchen sink' type device, with full buffering, electronic selection and maybe remote control. It can be expensive and probably outside the casual hobbyist construction capability. Not practical, but kinda fun to consider. -- Ron orders at pennysconstruction wrote: > Ron > I don't know what to think. I'm likeing the idea, but it looks to me that > people are looking to you for the answers. I think we have poeple with > different wants/ needs. I also don't think people want to make this too hard > on you, there just expressing there ideas. I had originaly pictured a simple > (in my mind) group of switchs kind of like the old phone switch board (like > the Andy Griffth show). Several inputs (maybe 10), with a few outputs (maybe > 4), so that I could record more than one thing at a time. I'd like to be > able to moniter them once in a while to see where the tape was at. Perhaps > this could easily be accomplished with more than one simpler unit in series. > I'm also good with a simple unit with like 4 inputs. I could do something > like split the room, one side just won't be able to record from the other > side of the room. > If this switch set up, had an output for monitering, I could run that to an > A/B switch. So I could check on either side. > I'm fairly sure that everybody here would like these switches not to add any > noise to the recording or playback. > Thanks Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:08 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project > > >> Luis Peromarta wrote: >>> Ron escribió: >>>> If >>>> I had to do it, I would have designed the circuit myself >>>> (it's nothing more than a bunch of 4P2T switches with a >>>> couple of resistors thrown in), >>> I'd like it to be modular, bus-based (if that makes sense) i.e. be able >>> to expand by simply connecting more i/o boards. >> That's easily done. The design can be >> modular and extensible, but not bus based. >> However, without buffering I would limit >> the switcher to no more than 3 or 4 decks. >> >>> I'd like it to be fully buffered, so no problems with loads here and > there. >> Consider the advantages of a fully passive >> design. Once you introduce buffering (yes, >> I do realize the advantages) you also need >> a power supply, shielding, etc. The >> implementation becomes at least as (maybe >> even more) important than the electrical >> design. >> >> At this point, this is no longer a project >> for the weekend hobbyist and will no longer >> take a couple of hours to design. Since the >> design must now include a PCB layout, it >> will not be particularly low cost to build. >> >>> I'd like it to have selectable routing, (not too sure how to explain >>> this), basicaly being able to choose input for a deck from different >>> sources (other decks or main preamp source). >> What I understood the original discussion was >> about was a straightforward switcher. meaning: >> A box into which you plug the tape loop of an >> amp or receiver, and, say, 3 or 3 decks. A 3 >> or 4 button mechanical switch on the front >> panel will let you select which deck is >> connected to the amp. That's it. No interaction >> between decks, no recording deck to deck. This >> would be simple to do. >> >> For what you now require, Modularity and >> extensibility become an issue and you do need >> a bus structure... I would envision two rows >> of buttons: one for selecting monitored deck, >> the other for selecting recording deck. >> Here, buffering will be beneficial, though >> not absolutely mandatory. >> >> Since you now have a power supply and a PCB, >> you may as well have electronic switching. >> The front panel push buttons may now be simple >> spring return switches and decks selected >> electronically as well. >> >> This ambitious switcher will probably be more >> expensive than commercial units, due to the >> small units to be produced. I doubt there will >> be many here that will undertake such a DIY >> project. >> >> Bottom line: how about a fully passive (non >> buffered) switcher that does allow separate >> selection of monitoring and recording (will >> allow deck to deck interaction), for 4 decks. >> Easy to put together by the casual hobbyist >> and reasonably inexpensive? >> >> If there is enough interest, a PCB can be >> laid out and ordered, otherwise, point to >> point construction. What do you think? >> >> -- Ron >> >> >>> While we wait for the gauges project to progress in Singapore, we might >>> just give this a try. >>> >>>> Interested? Let me know. >>>> >>> Let's do it. I am no good with digital circuits, but can certainly help >>> on the analog part. >>> >>> Wouter, we might just need to start a new mailman mailing list for it. >>> >>> How about [nakswitchers] ? >>> >>> Best rgds, LP. >>> From arichison at yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 16:56:41 2008 From: arichison at yahoo.com (Andre Richison) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:56:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <531393.18020.qm@web30515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I use a dbx router or route selctor. It is of high quality parts and noise free, wonderful products they made. 220 220x 400x route selector, I might have an extra one right now I am not using with my acurus amp ads setup. andre ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Jan 11 16:15:36 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:15:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: <171745.56483.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <478638DF.2090902@rcn.com> <171745.56483.qm@web36815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080111151536.KIKW129.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> hahahaha, yeah, I second that. Gee, do we know anyone who has done remote stuff for Naks? At 04:43 PM 1/10/2008, you wrote: >Gotta add remote capability! > >SJ > >Ron wrote: > >Scott, >The buffering itself is no big deal. There are >several op-amp types that have extremely low >levels of distortion and (even more important) >extremely low noise levels. Those I have used >(in a phono stage, for instance) sound great. >The issue is the increased complexity of the >project -- impractical for the small number of >units that are likely to be built. > >-- Ron > > > >Scott Johnson wrote: > > For one of my current projects (not a switcher, but, a tube > > electrostatic headphone amplifier) I'm using a fairly new ultra low > > distortion, low noise Op-Amp from National Semi. The LM4562 has a THD > > of 0.00003% typ (that's four zeros). It's specs are two orders of > > magnitude lower distortion than my test equipment that I bought for the > > project (a Tektronix AA5001 distortion analyzer and SG505 low distortion > > sine wave generator). > > I haven't heard them for myself yet, but, the specs sound really good. > > > > SJ > > > > The LME49740, LME49720 and LME49860 are newer version of the LM4562 with > > similar specs. > > > > > > */Luis Peromarta /* wrote: > > > > Ron escribió: > > > > > > If > > > I had to do it, I would have designed the circuit myself > > > (it's nothing more than a bunch of 4P2T switches with a > > > couple of resistors thrown in), > > > > I'd like it to be modular, bus-based (if that makes sense) i.e. be able > > to expand by simply connecting more i/o boards. > > > > I'd like it to be fully buffered, so no problems with loads here and > > there. > > > > I'd like it to have selectable routing, (not too sure how to explain > > this), basicaly being able to choose input for a deck from different > > sources (other decks or main preamp source). > > > > While we wait for the gauges project to progress in Singapore, we might > > just give this a try. > > > > > Interested? Let me know. > > > > > > > Let's do it. I am no good with digital circuits, but can certainly help > > on the analog part. > > > > Wouter, we might just need to start a new mailman mailing list for it. > > > > How about [nakswitchers] ? > > > > Best rgds, LP. > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all >with Yahoo! 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Please note that a year ago or so I bought a belt from you but I've moved since then so if you still have the address you shipped to it's no good and I'll give you my new address. Thanks, Bob (near Sacramento, CA) Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: Hi Y'all, As of today, I have a small number of Sankyo transport belts for sale left over from my search for good belts. There are 3 different belts used in the Sankyo transport Naks - 1. Single-capstan 2 head models - BX models (except BX-300), CR 1&2, Cassette Deck 2, DR 2&8, MR-2 2. Direct drive 3 head decks - BX-300, MR-1, CR 4-5-7 3. Belt driven 3 head decks - CR-3, Cassette Deck 1&1.5, DR-1-2-10 In addition, a tape tension belt is used for categories 2 & 3 above. I'm asking $8 per drive belt Paypal shipped anywhere in the world to Naktalkers. If you want a tape tension belt, add $3 for a total of $11 shipped anywhere. I've checked these belts for wow&flutter and they perform within specs - below specs, in some cases. 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Many Thanks, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 3:23 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project Mike, let me set your mind at ease... As I already  stated, I have no need for a switcher. Audio  (especially, analog audio) is my hobby and  interest. All we are doing so far is shooting  the breeze, simply exchanging ideas.    What I said I'd do is provide an electrical design  schematic when we are done figuring out what  switcher people want.    So far it looks like two different switchers are  emerging. One is a simple, non buffered, selector  for 4 decks, allowing each deck to connect to an  amp and also, to each of the other decks. This  should be low in cost and easy for the casual  hobbyist to construct.    The other switcher would be an 'pull all the  stops, include everything but the kitchen sink'  type device, with full buffering, electronic  selection and maybe remote control. It can be  expensive and probably outside the casual hobbyist  construction capability. Not practical, but kinda  fun to consider.    -- Ron      orders at pennysconstruction wrote:  > Ron  > I don't know what to think. I'm likeing the idea, but it looks to me that  > people are looking to you for the answers. I think we have poeple with  > different wants/ needs. I also don't think people want to make this too hard  > on you, there just expressing there ideas. I had originaly pictured a simple  > (in my mind) group of switchs kind of like the old phone switch board (like  > the Andy Griffth show). Several inputs (maybe 10), with a few outputs (maybe  > 4), so that I could record more than one thing at a time. I'd like to be  > able to moniter them once in a while to see where the tape was at. Perhaps  > this could easily be accomplished with more than one simpler unit in series.  > I'm also good with a simple unit with like 4 inputs. I could do something  > like split the room, one side just won't be able to record from the other  > side of the room.  > If this switch set up, had an output for monitering, I could run that to an  > A/B switch. So I could check on either side.  > I'm fairly sure that everybody here would like these switches not to add any  > noise to the recording or playback.  > Thanks Mike  > > ----- Original Message -----  > From: "Ron"   > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"   > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:08 AM  > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project  > > >> Luis Peromarta wrote:  >>> Ron escribió:  >>>> If  >>>> I had to do it, I would have designed the circuit myself  >>>> (it's nothing more than a bunch of 4P2T switches with a  >>>> couple of resistors thrown in),  >>> I'd like it to be modular, bus-based (if that makes sense) i.e. be able  >>> to expand by simply connecting more i/o boards.  >> That's easily done. The design can be  >> modular and extensible, but not bus based.  >> However, without buffering I would limit  >> the switcher to no more than 3 or 4 decks.  >>  >>> I'd like it to be fully buffered, so no problems with loads here and  > there.  >> Consider the advantages of a fully passive  >> design. Once you introduce buffering (yes,  >> I do realize the advantages) you also need  >> a power supply, shielding, etc. The  >> implementation becomes at least as (maybe  >> even more) important than the electrical  >> design.  >>  >> At this point, this is no longer a project  >> for the weekend hobbyist and will no longer  >> take a couple of hours to design. Since the  >> design must now include a PCB layout, it  >> will not be particularly low cost to build.  >>  >>> I'd like it to have selectable routing, (not too sure how to explain  >>> this), basicaly being able to choose input for a deck from different  >>> sources (other decks or main preamp source).  >> What I understood the original discussion was  >> about was a straightforward switcher. meaning:  >> A box into which you plug the tape loop of an  >> amp or receiver, and, say, 3 or 3 decks. A 3  >> or 4 button mechanical switch on the front  >> panel will let you select which deck is  >> connected to the amp. That's it. No interaction  >> between decks, no recording deck to deck. This  >> would be simple to do.  >>  >> For what you now require, Modularity and  >> extensibility become an issue and you do need  >> a bus structure... I would envision two rows  >> of buttons: one for selecting monitored deck,  >> the other for selecting recording deck.  >> Here, buffering will be beneficial, though  >> not absolutely mandatory.  >>  >> Since you now have a power supply and a PCB,  >> you may as well have electronic switching.  >> The front panel push buttons may now be simple  >> spring return switches and decks selected  >> electronically as well.  >>  >> This ambitious switcher will probably be more  >> expensive than commercial units, due to the  >> small units to be produced. I doubt there will  >> be many here that will undertake such a DIY  >> project.  >>  >> Bottom line: how about a fully passive (non  >> buffered) switcher that does allow separate  >> selection of monitoring and recording (will  >> allow deck to deck interaction), for 4 decks.  >> Easy to put together by the casual hobbyist  >> and reasonably inexpensive?  >>  >> If there is enough interest, a PCB can be  >> laid out and ordered, otherwise, point to  >> point construction. What do you think?  >>  >> -- Ron  >>  >>  >>> While we wait for the gauges project to progress in Singapore, we might  >>> just give this a try.  >>>  >>>> Interested? Let me know.  >>>>  >>> Let's do it. I am no good with digital circuits, but can certainly help  >>> on the analog part.  >>>  >>> Wouter, we might just need to start a new mailman mailing list for it.  >>>  >>> How about [nakswitchers] ?  >>>  >>> Best rgds, LP.  >>>  ========---------------------------------------------------------=========    Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register  ========---------------------------------------------------------=========    Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist  Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk  ========---------------------------------------------------------=========  ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail ! - http://webmail.aim.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 11 23:11:47 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:11:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: <006001c853e3$e743a1f0$6801a8c0@number2> References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <47839532.5010600@rcn.com> <00d201c8523a$e939f6d0$6801a8c0@number2> <4784D62A.8020607@rcn.com><4785330F.5020502@peromarta.org> <478634DF.5060904@rcn.com> <006001c853e3$e743a1f0$6801a8c0@number2> Message-ID: <4787E9A3.2090100@rcn.com> OK, I have a preliminary schematic for a no frills (no buffering, no power supply, no lights, no VU meters, no remote, no nothing, just switching) four deck switcher. It's based on 5 latch/release switch arrays (the kind with 4 buttons, where pushing one button latches that button and releases all others). Each button in a module actuates a DPDT switch. These modules are made by a bunch of manufacturers, but I haven't researched price/availability. The 5 switch arrays allow selection of monitored deck (which deck plays back through the system) plus selection of recording input for each deck (either from the system or from any of the other decks). This arrangement allows full off-tape monitoring. There are 2 separate PDF pages in a 25KB ZIP file. (Later on, I'll add some explanatory text.) Anyone that wants to take a look, just let me know. I welcome comments/criticisms. -- Ron From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 17:23:24 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:23:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] digital vs analogue In-Reply-To: <423596.56615.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <523673.61845.qm@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I finally got to compare an analogue to a digital (wav file) of a pre-recorded reel to reel @ 7 1/2 ips of Tony Bennett's "I left my heart in San Francisco" The reel to reel sounds far superior to the CD! That's the first time I've got to do an A to B comparison. The reel to reel was played on a Pioneer RT-707. The CD sounds harsh. Bob --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Fri Jan 11 17:39:36 2008 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:39:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo transport belts for sale, BX, CR etc. In-Reply-To: <298952.56388.qm@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <298952.56388.qm@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47879BC8.908@otenet.gr> Jeff i am interested for one category 3 belt for my DR-1 which has never been serviced plus the tape tension belt for it. Give me a total too and i will paypal you the money as well.... please contact me off list to give the rest of the info required...(Athens, Greece) Manos Bob Naylor wrote: > *Jeff, I'm interested in both belts (2 sets) for the cassette deck 1, > 1.5, CR3 (not for the 2 head machines). Give me a total and I'll > Pay-Pal you. Please note that a year ago or so I bought a belt from > you but I've moved since then so if you still have the address you > shipped to it's no good and I'll give you my new address. Thanks, Bob > (near Sacramento, CA)* > > */Bansijeff at aol.com/* wrote: > > Hi Y'all, > > As of today, I have a small number of Sankyo transport belts for > sale left over from my search for good belts. > > There are 3 different belts used in the Sankyo transport Naks - > 1. Single-capstan 2 head models - BX models (except BX-300), CR > 1&2, Cassette Deck 2, DR 2&8, MR-2 > 2. Direct drive 3 head decks - BX-300, MR-1, CR 4-5-7 > 3. Belt driven 3 head decks - CR-3, Cassette Deck 1&1.5, DR-1-2-10 > > In addition, a tape tension belt is used for categories 2 & 3 above. > > I'm asking $8 per drive belt Paypal shipped anywhere in the world > to Naktalkers. > If you want a tape tension belt, add $3 for a total of $11 shipped > anywhere. > > I've checked these belts for wow&flutter and they perform within > specs - below specs, in some cases. > > Thanks > > Jeff Whittier > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape > > in the new year. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Jan 11 17:42:57 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:42:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Old Nakamichi price list on ebaman Message-ID: <20429130.1200069777824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In the interest of archiving everything Nakamichi we have placed a copy of the circa 1988 USA Nakamichi parts price list on ebamam.com. It's under Home Electronics > Audio > Nakamichi > Service Information and it's the very last file on page 3. It's 170+ pages and about 9MB. The list's utility is in translating part numbers you read about into the whole part number. Most Nak servicers would drop the first zero and the last letters on part numbers that had them. ie: 0C8096B belt is known as C8096. In the early days parts were grouped by function, so all the lamps were in one section (0B85xx) and heads were in another. Perhaps the next step is to build tables of known substitutes. Lamp 0B8552 had a sub from the UK listed a day or two ago. I have the following subs: sharp #RLMP0175AFZZ, JVC # V1395084-001, Panasonic # YEAL01110, Sony # 1-518-644-11 Those of you buying reel motors from Turkey can cringe when you see the original price. I just read that a 1984 dollar is worth 0.44 today, so keep that in perspective. tom Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From emersn at sonic.net Sat Jan 12 02:57:15 2008 From: emersn at sonic.net (Stephen Emerson) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:57:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Old Nakamichi price list on ebaman In-Reply-To: <20429130.1200069777824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <20429130.1200069777824.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01C7D446-9251-45DD-A36E-6AC04D1F40DD@sonic.net> Is that the right URL, ebamam.com? Or am I missing something. Thanks, Steve On Jan 11, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > In the interest of archiving everything Nakamichi we have placed a > copy of the circa 1988 USA Nakamichi parts price list on ebamam.com. > It's under Home Electronics > Audio > Nakamichi > Service > Information and it's the very last file on page 3. > > It's 170+ pages and about 9MB. > > The list's utility is in translating part numbers you read about > into the whole part number. Most Nak servicers would drop the first > zero and the last letters on part numbers that had them. ie: > 0C8096B belt is known as C8096. In the early days parts were > grouped by function, so all the lamps were in one section (0B85xx) > and heads were in another. > Perhaps the next step is to build tables of known substitutes. > Lamp 0B8552 had a sub from the UK listed a day or two ago. I have > the following subs: sharp #RLMP0175AFZZ, JVC # V1395084-001, > Panasonic # YEAL01110, Sony # 1-518-644-11 > Those of you buying reel motors from Turkey can cringe when you > see the original price. I just read that a 1984 dollar is worth > 0.44 today, so keep that in perspective. > > tom > > > > > > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 12 15:49:48 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:49:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: <8CA22A74C616E74-C20-3EE3@WEBMAIL-DG10> References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <47839532.5010600@rcn.com> <00d201c8523a$e939f6d0$6801a8c0@number2> <4784D62A.8020607@rcn.com><4785330F.5020502@peromarta.org> <478634DF.5060904@rcn.com> <006001c853e3$e743a1f0$6801a8c0@number2> <47877BF4.2040109@rcn.com> <8CA22A74C616E74-C20-3EE3@WEBMAIL-DG10> Message-ID: <4788D38C.6050401@rcn.com> Ben, Start with the concept of output impedance. The output of every generator (something that produces a signal) can be thought of as a 'pure' signal source in series with a resistance (the output impedance). The lower that resistance, the less is the generator output signal affected by the load. For example: think of a preamp (generator) driving a power amp (load) through an interconnect. The lower the preamp output resistance, the less will the interconnect length and the amp itself affect the signal. In other words, the lower the output impedance, the better. A buffer is a simple circuit that lowers the output impedance. It is beneficial whenever one drives long interconnects and/or low impedance loads. In the case of the simple switcher we are talking about here, the decks (generators) whose output impedances are already on the low side, are driving an amp (load) sitting in the same rack and connected by short cables. Including a buffer is not that important. -- Ron benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > Ron, > > As a hobbyist the basic project sounds attractive and I would like to > have a go at it. > > Would you mind providing a simple explanation of the concept of buffering? > > Many Thanks, Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 3:23 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project > > Mike, let me set your mind at ease... As I already > stated, I have no need for a switcher. Audio > (especially, analog audio) is my hobby and > interest. All we are doing so far is shooting > the breeze, simply exchanging ideas. > > What I said I'd do is provide an electrical design > schematic when we are done figuring out what > switcher people want. > > So far it looks like two different switchers are > emerging. One is a simple, non buffered, selector > for 4 decks, allowing each deck to connect to an > amp and also, to each of the other decks. This > should be low in cost and easy for the casual > hobbyist to construct. > > The other switcher would be an 'pull all the > stops, include everything but the kitchen sink' > type device, with full buffering, electronic > selection and maybe remote control. It can be > expensive and probably outside the casual hobbyist > construction capability. Not practical, but kinda > fun to consider. > > -- Ron > > > orders at pennysconstruction wrote: > > Ron > > I don't know what to think. I'm likeing the idea, but it looks to me > that > > people are looking to you for the answers. I think we have poeple with > > different wants/ needs. I also don't think people want to make this > too hard > > on you, there just expressing there ideas. I had originaly pictured a > simple > > (in my mind) group of switchs kind of like the old phone switch board > (like > > the Andy Griffth show). Several inputs (maybe 10), with a few outputs > (maybe > > 4), so that I could record more than one thing at a time. I'd like to be > > able to moniter them once in a while to see where the tape was at. > Perhaps > > this could easily be accomplished with more than one simpler unit in > series. > > I'm also good with a simple unit with like 4 inputs. I could do > something > > like split the room, one side just won't be able to record from the > other > > side of the room. > > If this switch set up, had an output for monitering, I could run that > to an > > A/B switch. So I could check on either side. > > I'm fairly sure that everybody here would like these switches not to > add any > > noise to the recording or playback. > > Thanks Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:08 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project > > > >> Luis Peromarta wrote: > >>> Ron escribió: > >>>> If > >>>> I had to do it, I would have designed the circuit myself > >>>> (it's nothing more than a bunch of 4P2T switches with a > >>>> couple of resistors thrown in), > >>> I'd like it to be modular, bus-based (if that makes sense) i.e. be > able > >>> to expand by simply connecting more i/o boards. > >> That's easily done. The design can be > >> modular and extensible, but not bus based. > >> However, without buffering I would limit > >> the switcher to no more than 3 or 4 decks. > >> > >>> I'd like it to be fully buffered, so no problems with loads here and > > there. > >> Consider the advantages of a fully passive > >> design. Once you introduce buffering (yes, > >> I do realize the advantages) you also need > >> a power supply, shielding, etc. The > >> implementation becomes at least as (maybe > >> even more) important than the electrical > >> design. > >> > >> At this point, this is no longer a project > >> for the weekend hobbyist and will no longer > >> take a couple of hours to design. Since the > >> design must now include a PCB layout, it > >> will not be particularly low cost to build. > >> > >>> I'd like it to have selectable routing, (not too sure how to explain > >>> this), basicaly being able to choose input for a deck from different > >>> sources (other decks or main preamp source). > >> What I understood the original discussion was > >> about was a straightforward switcher. meaning: > >> A box into which you plug the tape loop of an > >> amp or receiver, and, say, 3 or 3 decks. A 3 > >> or 4 button mechanical switch on the front > >> panel will let you select which deck is > >> connected to the amp. That's it. No interaction > >> between decks, no recording deck to deck. This > >> would be simple to do. > >> > >> For what you now require, Modularity and > >> extensibility become an issue and you do need > >> a bus structure... I would envision two rows > >> of buttons: one for selecting monitored deck, > >> the other for selecting recording deck. > >> Here, buffering will be beneficial, though > >> not absolutely mandatory. > >> > >> Since you now have a power supply and a PCB, > >> you may as well have electronic switching. > >> The front panel push buttons may now be simple > >> spring return switches and decks selected > >> electronically as well. > >> > >> This ambitious switcher will probably be more > >> expensive than commercial units, due to the > >> small units to be produced. I doubt there will > >> be many here that will undertake such a DIY > >> project. > >> > >> Bottom line: how about a fully passive (non > >> buffered) switcher that does allow separate > >> selection of monitoring and recording (will > >> allow deck to deck interaction), for 4 decks. > >> Easy to put together by the casual hobbyist > >> and reasonably inexpensive? > >> > >> If there is enough interest, a PCB can be > >> laid out and ordered, otherwise, point to > >> point construction. What do you think? > >> > >> -- Ron > >> > >> > >>> While we wait for the gauges project to progress in Singapore, we > might > >>> just give this a try. > >>> > >>>> Interested? Let me know. > >>>> > >>> Let's do it. I am no good with digital circuits, but can certainly > help > >>> on the analog part. > >>> > >>> Wouter, we might just need to start a new mailman mailing list for it. > >>> > >>> How about [nakswitchers] ? > >>> > >>> Best rgds, LP. > >>> From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 16:28:58 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:28:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: <200801121100.m0CB0KNx003313@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <507375.2285.qm@web60514.mail.yahoo.com> You're kidding, right?? There is a member here who makes and SELLS remotes for Naks.... Kevin Message: 4 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:15:36 -0500 From: Roland Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: hahahaha, yeah, I second that. Gee, do we know anyone who has done remote stuff for Naks? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From rich_121 at msn.com Sat Jan 12 19:35:57 2008 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:35:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) Message-ID: Hello, A few years ago, I too felt that analog was far superior to digital, until a couple of comparisions were done in which they were found to be indistinguishable. Namely, last summer I went to a friends home, it was quite the event, people from all over the country were coming over for the "Analog Digital Challenge", which, if you do a search on VinylAsylum you can see quite lengthy arguements before/after the challenge. My friend has a very expensive sound room. Within, there is close to $500 in audio gear, he has only the best. Another person, a recording engineer who is also a member of the same Audio Society, brought his Tascam DV-RA1000HD hi-res recorder/player. This recorder records from Red book, all the way up to 192kHz/24-bit PCM and my choice, DSD (same format used for SACD) The Challenge was that the owner of the system could not guess correctly a certain number of times (not sure, but I think the aggreed number was 5, but he went an extra 1 or 2) whether the music subject was the digital version (recorded from the same turntable, using an Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder), or the analog version (he has a $80,000 Rockport turntable) It was a very strict test procedure, using special blindfolds and having a test director. My friend lost the challenge, he missed only 1 of the choices, but, the bet was that he wouldn't miss any. I forgot to mention, that the format used was 192kHz/24-bit for about half the recording and the other half was the "lowly" 16-bit Red Book, they didn't use the Tascam for the testing, it was used the next day for comparison. The eye opener, was that every single other person that took the same test, each is a person who is also a member of the Audio Society, very knowledgeable about audio gear and has a substantially high quality system of their own, got almost every one wrong, on a couple, the person was totally opposite of what was digital or analog. I believe, when digital is done correctly, not "mass produced" by stamping, (I think alot of the quality of the origional is lost here). That it can equal analog. I have a Sony SCD-1 CD/SACD player that sounds glorious, and there are better players out there. People need to get out and hear what is out there, don't judge a format without really discovering what it can do. It is really childish to go into an us/them scenario which so often happens... people take their gear too personally, they need to have a more open mind, we are missing out if we don't. I for a long time was on the "Analog is Best" bandwagon, but, from my experience, it is equal... it's just too bad the Music Industry couldn't get it right, and give a quality product. I still listen 80% of the time to vinyl, but because I have over 10,000 records. I plan to purchase a Tascam DV-RA1000HD recorder and put my best records on disc. This recorder is amazing, it will make a recording in the SACD format of DSD, it has a 40G hard drive, so you can do what you need to do either on the deck, or hooked to your computer, then burn the disc or play it on the drive. I appologize for the lengthy post, just felt the need to open some minds/ears... don't make a judgement until you have heard it for real... Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, > Steve > > > > On Jan 11, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > > > In the interest of archiving everything Nakamichi we have placed a > > copy of the circa 1988 USA Nakamichi parts price list on ebamam.com. > > It's under Home Electronics > Audio > Nakamichi > Service > > Information and it's the very last file on page 3. > > > > It's 170+ pages and about 9MB. > > > > The list's utility is in translating part numbers you read about > > into the whole part number. Most Nak servicers would drop the first > > zero and the last letters on part numbers that had them. ie: > > 0C8096B belt is known as C8096. In the early days parts were > > grouped by function, so all the lamps were in one section (0B85xx) > > and heads were in another. > > Perhaps the next step is to build tables of known substitutes. > > Lamp 0B8552 had a sub from the UK listed a day or two ago. I have > > the following subs: sharp #RLMP0175AFZZ, JVC # V1395084-001, > > Panasonic # YEAL01110, Sony # 1-518-644-11 > > Those of you buying reel motors from Turkey can cringe when you > > see the original price. I just read that a 1984 dollar is worth > > 0.44 today, so keep that in perspective. > > > > tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > 615-331-9241 > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Jan 12 21:09:58 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:09:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: <507375.2285.qm@web60514.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200801121100.m0CB0KNx003313@zxe.naks.com> <507375.2285.qm@web60514.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080112200957.ODPI15951.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Kevin, A rather nice gent named Scott Johnson designed, fabricated and sells his own products. If memory serves me correct, he has a remote for almost every Nak and every function. His philosophy, BUILD IT AND THEY WILL BUY. Here's one of his auctions on ebay. Don't forget to scroll down to the testimonials on the auction. You might recognize a few names. hahahahahaha http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Tape-Deck-Wireless-Remote-Receiver-RM-580_W0QQitemZ260201023312QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Here's his webpage with just a couple or few Nakamichi tips, how-to's, self-promoting his workpieces.... http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm Roland At 10:28 AM 1/12/2008, you wrote: >You're kidding, right?? There is a member here who >makes and SELLS remotes for Naks.... > >Kevin > > >Message: 4 >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:15:36 -0500 >From: Roland >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Message-ID: > >hahahaha, yeah, I second that. > >Gee, do we know anyone who has done remote stuff for Naks? > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Sat Jan 12 21:33:44 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:33:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: <4788D38C.6050401@rcn.com> References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <47839532.5010600@rcn.com> <00d201c8523a$e939f6d0$6801a8c0@number2> <4784D62A.8020607@rcn.com><4785330F.5020502@peromarta.org> <478634DF.5060904@rcn.com> <006001c853e3$e743a1f0$6801a8c0@number2> <47877BF4.2040109@rcn.com> <8CA22A74C616E74-C20-3EE3@WEBMAIL-DG10> <4788D38C.6050401@rcn.com> Message-ID: <8CA23718F8CA8F2-3FC-3554@FWM-M04.sysops.aol.com> Ron, Thanks very much for your help...again! Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 3:49 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project Ben,    Start with the concept of output impedance. The output  of every generator (something that produces a signal)  can be thought of as a 'pure' signal source in series  with a resistance (the output impedance). The lower  that resistance, the less is the generator output  signal affected by the load.    For example: think of a preamp (generator) driving a  power amp (load) through an interconnect. The lower  the preamp output resistance, the less will the  interconnect length and the amp itself affect the  signal. In other words, the lower the output  impedance, the better.    A buffer is a simple circuit that lowers the output  impedance. It is beneficial whenever one drives long  interconnects and/or low impedance loads. In the case  of the simple switcher we are talking about here,  the decks (generators) whose output impedances are  already on the low side, are driving an amp (load)  sitting in the same rack and connected by short  cables. Including a buffer is not that important.    -- Ron      benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote:  > Ron,  > > As a hobbyist the basic project sounds attractive and I would like to > have a go at it.  > > Would you mind providing a simple explanation of the concept of buffering?  > > Many Thanks, Ben  > > > -----Original Message-----  > From: Ron   > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks   > Sent: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 3:23 am  > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project  > > Mike, let me set your mind at ease... As I already > stated, I have no need for a switcher. Audio > (especially, analog audio) is my hobby and > interest. All we are doing so far is shooting > the breeze, simply exchanging ideas. > > What I said I'd do is provide an electrical design > schematic when we are done figuring out what > switcher people want. > > So far it looks like two different switchers are > emerging. One is a simple, non buffered, selector > for 4 decks, allowing each deck to connect to an > amp and also, to each of the other decks. This > should be low in cost and easy for the casual > hobbyist to construct. > > The other switcher would be an 'pull all the > stops, include everything but the kitchen sink' > type device, with full buffering, electronic > selection and maybe remote control. It can be > expensive and probably outside the casual hobbyist > construction capability. Not practical, but kinda > fun to consider. > > -- Ron > > > orders at pennysconstruction wrote: > > Ron > > I don't know what to think. I'm likeing the idea, but it looks to me > that > > people are looking to you for the answers. I think we have poeple with > > different wants/ needs. I also don't think people want to make this > too hard > > on you, there just expressing there ideas. I had originaly pictured a > simple > > (in my mind) group of switchs kind of like the old phone switch board > (like > > the Andy Griffth show). Several inputs (maybe 10), with a few outputs > (maybe > > 4), so that I could record more than one thing at a time. I'd like to be > > able to moniter them once in a while to see where the tape was at. > Perhaps > > this could easily be accomplished with more than one simpler unit in > series. > > I'm also good with a simple unit with like 4 inputs. I could do > something > > like split the room, one side just won't be able to record from the > other > > side of the room. > > If this switch set up, had an output for monitering, I could run that > to an > > A/B switch. So I could check on either side. > > I'm fairly sure that everybody here would like these switches not to > add any > > noise to the recording or playback. > > Thanks Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:08 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project > > > >> Luis Peromarta wrote: > >>> Ron escribió: > >>>> If > >>>> I had to do it, I would have designed the circuit myself > >>>> (it's nothing more than a bunch of 4P2T switches with a > >>>> couple of resistors thrown in), > >>> I'd like it to be modular, bus-based (if that makes sense) i.e. be > able > >>> to expand by simply connecting more i/o boards. > >> That's easily done. The design can be > >> modular and extensible, but not bus based. > >> However, without buffering I would limit > >> the switcher to no more than 3 or 4 decks. > >> > >>> I'd like it to be fully buffered, so no problems with loads here and > > there. > >> Consider the advantages of a fully passive > >> design. Once you introduce buffering (yes, > >> I do realize the advantages) you also need > >> a power supply, shielding, etc. The > >> implementation becomes at least as (maybe > >> even more) important than the electrical > >> design. > >> > >> At this point, this is no longer a project > >> for the weekend hobbyist and will no longer > >> take a couple of hours to design. Since the > >> design must now include a PCB layout, it > >> will not be particularly low cost to build. > >> > >>> I'd like it to have selectable routing, (not too sure how to explain > >>> this), basicaly being able to choose input for a deck from different > >>> sources (other decks or main preamp source). > >> What I understood the original discussion was > >> about was a straightforward switcher. meaning: > >> A box into which you plug the tape loop of an > >> amp or receiver, and, say, 3 or 3 decks. A 3 > >> or 4 button mechanical switch on the front > >> panel will let you select which deck is > >> connected to the amp. That's it. No interaction > >> between decks, no recording deck to deck. This > >> would be simple to do. > >> > >> For what you now require, Modularity and > >> extensibility become an issue and you do need > >> a bus structure... I would envision two rows > >> of buttons: one for selecting monitored deck, > >> the other for selecting recording deck. > >> Here, buffering will be beneficial, though > >> not absolutely mandatory. > >> > >> Since you now have a power supply and a PCB, > >> you may as well have electronic switching. > >> The front panel push buttons may now be simple > >> spring return switches and decks selected > >> electronically as well. > >> > >> This ambitious switcher will probably be more > >> expensive than commercial units, due to the > >> small units to be produced. I doubt there will > >> be many here that will undertake such a DIY > >> project. > >> > >> Bottom line: how about a fully passive (non > >> buffered) switcher that does allow separate > >> selection of monitoring and recording (will > >> allow deck to deck interaction), for 4 decks. > >> Easy to put together by the casual hobbyist > >> and reasonably inexpensive? > >> > >> If there is enough interest, a PCB can be > >> laid out and ordered, otherwise, point to > >> point construction. What do you think? > >> > >> -- Ron > >> > >> > >>> While we wait for the gauges project to progress in Singapore, we > might > >>> just give this a try. > >>> > >>>> Interested? Let me know. > >>>> > >>> Let's do it. I am no good with digital circuits, but can certainly > help > >>> on the analog part. > >>> > >>> Wouter, we might just need to start a new mailman mailing list for it. > >>> > >>> How about [nakswitchers] ? > >>> > >>> Best rgds, LP. > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========    Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register  ========---------------------------------------------------------=========    Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist  Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk  ========---------------------------------------------------------=========  ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail ! - http://webmail.aim.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Next guess was the photoelectric cell that measures reel movement, but the counter works. It is not heat related since it occurs immediately when I switch on and use a tape in its middle. My guess now is that it has something to do with the reel motor. The motor works fine for rewind and ff, also plays without problems for as long as I want if there is no cassette in the player. If there is a cassette in I get that strange behavior once there is that certain amount of tape on the takeup reel. Could anyone give me an hint on what else to check or on how to approach the reel motor if that’s the reason? I took the machine apart down to the reel motor but have no idea on how to open that. And also no idea if that’s really necessary. Thanks a lot! Joerg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 03:51:01 2008 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:51:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: <507375.2285.qm@web60514.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <893275.71247.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, www.nakremotes.com www.revoxremotes.com www.teacremotes.com SJ Kevin Fetner wrote: You're kidding, right?? There is a member here who makes and SELLS remotes for Naks.... Kevin Message: 4 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:15:36 -0500 From: Roland Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: hahahaha, yeah, I second that. Gee, do we know anyone who has done remote stuff for Naks? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 05:04:20 2008 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:04:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Old Nakamichi price list on ebaman In-Reply-To: <01C7D446-9251-45DD-A36E-6AC04D1F40DD@sonic.net> Message-ID: <306738.91628.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> www.ebaman.com You had an m at the end instead of an n. SJ Stephen Emerson wrote: Is that the right URL, ebamam.com? Or am I missing something. Thanks, Steve On Jan 11, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > In the interest of archiving everything Nakamichi we have placed a > copy of the circa 1988 USA Nakamichi parts price list on ebamam.com. > It's under Home Electronics > Audio > Nakamichi > Service > Information and it's the very last file on page 3. > > It's 170+ pages and about 9MB. > > The list's utility is in translating part numbers you read about > into the whole part number. Most Nak servicers would drop the first > zero and the last letters on part numbers that had them. ie: > 0C8096B belt is known as C8096. In the early days parts were > grouped by function, so all the lamps were in one section (0B85xx) > and heads were in another. > Perhaps the next step is to build tables of known substitutes. > Lamp 0B8552 had a sub from the UK listed a day or two ago. I have > the following subs: sharp #RLMP0175AFZZ, JVC # V1395084-001, > Panasonic # YEAL01110, Sony # 1-518-644-11 > Those of you buying reel motors from Turkey can cringe when you > see the original price. I just read that a 1984 dollar is worth > 0.44 today, so keep that in perspective. > > tom > > > > > > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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Stops playing with a certainamount of tape on the takeup reel My Nakamichi BX-300E is behaving strange. I didn't use it for a long time and now an old behavior came back that was gone after a repair a few years ago. When I put in a tape that's at its beginning it plays fine for a count of up to (about) 600 according to the counter. Then it stops playing. When I retry from here it plays for a very short while (max a few seconds) and stops again. If I shut the machine off and retry at the same point later it stops after a few seconds again. My first guess (after some reading) was the idler. I ordered an idler tire but when I opened the machine I noticed that it already has the gear idler. Next guess was the photoelectric cell that measures reel movement, but the counter works. It is not heat related since it occurs immediately when I switch on and use a tape in its middle. My guess now is that it has something to do with the reel motor. The motor works fine for rewind and ff, also plays without problems for as long as I want if there is no cassette in the player. If there is a cassette in I get that strange behavior once there is that certain amount of tape on the takeup reel. Could anyone give me an hint on what else to check or on how to approach the reel motor if that's the reason? I took the machine apart down to the reel motor but have no idea on how to open that. And also no idea if that's really necessary. Thanks a lot! 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jan 13 15:32:21 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:32:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478A20F5.2040805@rcn.com> RICHARD FIne wrote: > Hello, > A few years ago, I too felt that analog was far superior to digital, > until a couple of comparisions were done in which they were found to be > indistinguishable. > Namely, last summer I went to a friends home, it was quite the event, > people from all over the country were coming over for the "Analog > Digital Challenge", which, if you do a search on VinylAsylum you can see > quite lengthy arguements before/after the challenge. > My friend has a very expensive sound room. Within, there is close to > $500 in audio gear, he has only the best. > Another person, a recording engineer who is also a member of the same > Audio Society, brought his Tascam DV-RA1000HD hi-res recorder/player. > This recorder records from Red book, all the way up to > 192kHz/24-bit PCM and my choice, DSD (same format used for SACD) > The Challenge was that the owner of the system could not guess correctly > a certain number of times (not sure, but I think the aggreed number was > 5, but he went an extra 1 or 2) whether the music subject was the > digital version (recorded from the same turntable, using an Alesis > MasterLink ML-9600 recorder), or the analog version (he has a $80,000 > Rockport turntable) It was a very strict test procedure, using special > blindfolds and having a test director. > My friend lost the challenge, he missed only 1 of the choices, but, the > bet was that he wouldn't miss any. I forgot to mention, that the format > used was 192kHz/24-bit for about half the recording and the other half > was the "lowly" 16-bit Red Book, they didn't use the Tascam for the > testing, it was used the next day for comparison. > The eye opener, was that every single other person that took the same > test, each is a person who is also a member of the Audio Society, very > knowledgeable about audio gear and has a substantially high quality > system of their own, got almost every one wrong, on a couple, the person > was totally opposite of what was digital or analog. Nothing surprising here. Very often, human perception greatly depends on preconceived ideas, on immaterial factors (such as, the cost of the equipment) and/or misleading visual clues. When these extraneous factors are removed, a person's reception often dramatically changes. > I believe, when digital is done correctly, not "mass produced" by > stamping, (I think alot of the quality of the origional is lost here). Actually, no. As long as the error rate is within the error correction capability of the digital format, stamping quality is immaterial. When it does not, errors become *very* audible. In most of the cases, this is a binary effect: the stamping is either good enough or not good at all. > That it can equal analog. No, it will surpass it. In this test, the original recording was analog. The best the digital copy could do was match it. Had the original been live sound, the digital (always at 192ksps/24 bit and most of the time at 44.1ksps/16bit) would have been better. -- Ron > I have a Sony SCD-1 CD/SACD player that sounds > glorious, and there are better players out there. > People need to get out and hear what is out there, don't judge a format > without really discovering what it can do. It is really childish to go > into an us/them scenario which so often happens... people take their > gear too personally, they need to have a more open mind, we are missing > out if we don't. > I for a long time was on the "Analog is Best" bandwagon, but, from my > experience, it is equal... it's just too bad the Music Industry couldn't > get it right, and give a quality product. > I still listen 80% of the time to vinyl, but because I have over 10,000 > records. I plan to purchase a Tascam DV-RA1000HD recorder and put my > best records on disc. This recorder is amazing, it will make a recording > in the SACD format of DSD, it has a 40G hard drive, so you can do what > you need to do either on the deck, or hooked to your computer, then burn > the disc or play it on the drive. > > I appologize for the lengthy post, just felt the need to open some > minds/ears... don't make a judgement until you have heard it for real... > > > Rick > From naks at rivendell-farm.com Sun Jan 13 17:06:04 2008 From: naks at rivendell-farm.com (Le) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:06:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers References: <010820081252.25830.47837209000603F2000064E622120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <478A36EC.2020304@rivendell-farm.com> I'm looking for a 2 input to 2 output audio switcher. I'd like to be able to choose from either my DVD player (Concert Videos) or Satelite converter (XM radio) to either the TV or receiver. I have no desire to run the stereo for normal TV or movie viewing but it would be nice to be able to record off of XM or listen to the concerts on something better than the TV speakers. Le From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 17:17:41 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:17:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) In-Reply-To: <200801131100.m0DB0U7j032514@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <935030.60237.qm@web60517.mail.yahoo.com> Rick, Most of us know that already about lossless compression. A lot of the argument was; that with analog high-end stuff so readily available at auction for a fraction of its original price, why not buy that instead of investing in digital? You should know very well that the digital equipment made today is not going to last the test of time that old high-end analog stuff has-the quality is just not there for the average audio hobby enthusiast. Most of us are already familiar with analog and have substantial record collections. It doesn't help that the format wars between SACD and DVD-A are still raging. CD-R's are not proving to store well in a lot of circumstances and a lot of tape masters were literally thrown out in public archives where the CD-R's replaced them. If that music is backed up on a hard drive somewhere, great, if not it's now lost forever. I don't like the idea of having a hard drive somewhere dedicated to backing up all my LP's in the inevitable event of CD-R failure. They can invent something better than that, as that's piss-poor consumerism technology. However, that being said, I personally love mixing all the formats together for my own selfish gain and convenience. There are some marvelous software programs for cleaning up records and they continue to improve in user 'friendliness'. Although admittedly, I'm very partial to watching the big reels spin round 'n round.;-) I'm also partial to Naks inventiveness and superior engineering. Most people in this hobby are enamored with units that were considered to be the very best in their day. We make allowances for their shortcomings today, if any. I read a very well reasoned discussion once about LP's versus the digital CD and it was said that while billions of bits of information were encoded in a music CD, trillions of bit of information are encoded in a record. Most everybody will admit that the industry dropping LP's in the early 80's was a stellar mistake that hurt everybody. The current artists who offer records and the 180-200 gram reissues of older works are absolute marvels. And I also find it interesting the the TT and cartridge lunatics keep pulling more and more useful information from the 'lowly' record. It's like buried treasure-the more you tweak, the more you discover....up to a reasonable point of course, as I don't think $80,000 TT's and $15,000 wood carts are in the realm of most of us lowly consumers who raise families and have mortgages. However there's always the 'trickle down' theory working for us, in that the technology of the ultra high-end often becomes affordable for us lowly consumers in some form or another. We've seen that happen in amps, pre-amps, TT's, speakers, carts etc, where the 'little brother' can rival his big brother in the average listening room. I was always one to have 'less' features, if I got similar quality output. You must have made a typing error when you said, "My friend has a very expensive sound room. Within, there is close to $500 in audio gear, he has only the best." $500 does not impress...did you mean $500,000?? Further, blind listening tests need to be done A/B/X. You can read all about that in many of Peter Aczel's articles in "The Audio Critic", now found easily online. Kevin Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:35:57 -0800 > From: RICHARD FIne > Subject: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) > To: Hello, > A few years ago, I too felt that analog was far > superior to digital, until a couple of comparisions > were done in which they were found to be > indistinguishable. > Namely, last summer I went to a friends home, it was > quite the event, people from all over the country > were coming over for the "Analog Digital Challenge", > which, if you do a search on VinylAsylum you can see > quite lengthy arguements before/after the challenge. > My friend has a very expensive sound room. Within, > there is close to $500 in audio gear, he has only > the best. > Another person, a recording engineer who is also a > member of the same Audio Society, brought his Tascam > DV-RA1000HD hi-res recorder/player. This recorder > records from Red book, all the way up to > 192kHz/24-bit PCM and my choice, DSD (same format > used for SACD) > The Challenge was that the owner of the system could > not guess correctly a certain number of times (not > sure, but I think the aggreed number was 5, but he > went an extra 1 or 2) whether the music subject was > the digital version (recorded from the same > turntable, using an Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 > recorder), or the analog version (he has a $80,000 > Rockport turntable) It was a very strict test > procedure, using special blindfolds and having a > test director. > My friend lost the challenge, he missed only 1 of > the choices, but, the bet was that he wouldn't miss > any. I forgot to mention, that the format used was > 192kHz/24-bit for about half the recording and the > other half was the "lowly" 16-bit Red Book, they > didn't use the Tascam for the testing, it was used > the next day for comparison. > The eye opener, was that every single other person > that took the same test, each is a person who is > also a member of the Audio Society, very > knowledgeable about audio gear and has a > substantially high quality system of their own, got > almost every one wrong, on a couple, the person was > totally opposite of what was digital or analog. > I believe, when digital is done correctly, not "mass > produced" by stamping, (I think alot of the quality > of the origional is lost here). That it can equal > analog. I have a Sony SCD-1 CD/SACD player that > sounds glorious, and there are better players out > there. > People need to get out and hear what is out there, > don't judge a format without really discovering what > it can do. It is really childish to go into an > us/them scenario which so often happens... people > take their gear too personally, they need to have a > more open mind, we are missing out if we don't. > I for a long time was on the "Analog is Best" > bandwagon, but, from my experience, it is equal... > it's just too bad the Music Industry couldn't get it > right, and give a quality product. > I still listen 80% of the time to vinyl, but because > I have over 10,000 records. I plan to purchase a > Tascam DV-RA1000HD recorder and put my best records > on disc. This recorder is amazing, it will make a > recording in the SACD format of DSD, it has a 40G > hard drive, so you can do what you need to do either > on the deck, or hooked to your computer, then burn > the disc or play it on the drive. > > I appologize for the lengthy post, just felt the > need to open some minds/ears... don't make a > judgement until you have heard it for real... > > > Rick ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Jan 13 18:03:28 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:03:28 EST Subject: [naktalk] Need help with a BX-300E. Stops playing with a certainamount of... Message-ID: In a message dated 1/13/2008 8:46:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com writes: My guess now is that it has something to do with the reel motor. The motor works fine for rewind and ff, also plays without problems for as long as I want if there is no cassette in the player. If there is a cassette in I get that strange behavior once there is that certain amount of tape on the takeup reel. Could anyone give me an hint on what else to check or on how to approach the reel motor if that’s the reason? I took the machine apart down to the reel motor but have no idea on how to open that. And also no idea if that’s really necessary. Thanks a lot! Joerg Hi Joerg, If it is the reel motor, and If the DeOxIt fix doesn't work, the substitute reel motor for the BX-300 is this - _MSN-5D257A-SA2_ (https://www.ued.net/ued/addItems.do?itemCode=JVCMSN-5D257A-SA2) It's a JVC motor. Tom Brucker has successfully mounted one in a BX-300. He said that you have to do 5 minutes work on the mounting holes with a needle nose file to adapt it to the mounting bracket, but as a motor, it works fine. I would warn you that a replacement reel motor needs a speed adjustment for proper tape tension after mounting. You may need a tape tension gauge for that. Another thing to look at is the tape tension belt. I had a BX-300 once which had similar problems to yours and all it needed was a new tape tension belt. Good luck. Jeff W **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Sun Jan 13 18:13:52 2008 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:13:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) Message-ID: I noticed a missing character in my post when it posted..... When I mentioned the price of my friends audio system as being $500..... I meant $500K. I'm sure most figured that out after I mentioned that he uses a $80,000 turntable, but, I thought I would clarify for others. Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Jan 13 18:23:31 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:23:31 EST Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers Message-ID: In a message dated 1/13/2008 8:53:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, naks at rivendell-farm.com writes: I'm looking for a 2 input to 2 output audio switcher. I'd like to be able to choose from either my DVD player (Concert Videos) or Satelite converter (XM radio) to either the TV or receiver. I have no desire to run the stereo for normal TV or movie viewing but it would be nice to be able to record off of XM or listen to the concerts on something better than the TV speakers. Le MCM has what they call an "A/V Distribution Amplifier/Selector" for sale for $24.95. It's Order # 30-1376. _www.mcmelectronics.com_ (http://www.mcmelectronics.com) Jeff W **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulcar at caribsurf.com Mon Jan 14 02:20:15 2008 From: paulcar at caribsurf.com (Paul Carrington) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:20:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Frequency Counter Message-ID: <478AB8CF.4020602@caribsurf.com> My Sabtronics 8610 frequency counter has packed up just when I wanted to do a frequency run on my BX300. I do not have a schematic for it and I wondered if any of the Nak folk might have one. The counter is showing random count but with a signal plugged into it, it will occasionally read the frequency of that signal. Regards Paul Carrington From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Jan 13 23:51:37 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:51:37 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) Message-ID: <7615961.1200264697364.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmpsalvestrini at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 12:19:31 2008 From: cmpsalvestrini at gmail.com (Carlos Manuel Pires) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:19:31 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Need help with Nak 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <200801141104.m0EB1fUM031796@zxe.naks.com> References: <200801141104.m0EB1fUM031796@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002d01c8569f$56b85950$04290bf0$@com> Hi all, I'm moving from America to Portugal, and among my things I have a Nak 1000ZXL that is operating but needs servicing; I'd like to know if there are service centers in Lisbon that deal with this fine piece of equipment. Thanks in advance. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of naktalk-request at naks.com Sent: segunda-feira, 14 de Janeiro de 2008 11:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 59, Issue 14 Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to naktalk at naks.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to naktalk-request at naks.com You can reach the person managing the list at naktalk-owner at naks.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." Naktalk digest mailing list Today's Topics: 1. Re: Need help with a BX-300E. Stops playing with a certainamount of tape on the takeup reel (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) 2. Re: digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) (Ron) 3. Re: Audio Switchers (Le) 4. Re: digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) (Kevin Fetner) 5. Re: Need help with a BX-300E. Stops playing with a certainamount of... (Bansijeff at aol.com) 6. digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) (RICHARD FIne) 7. Re: Audio Switchers (Bansijeff at aol.com) 8. Frequency Counter (Paul Carrington) 9. Re: digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) (Tom Brucker) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:59:34 -0000 From: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with a BX-300E. Stops playing with a certainamount of tape on the takeup reel To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <005b01c855e4$34aac390$0202a8c0 at bowleyinlmnplk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jorg Look at last month's [& previous monthly archives] re this issue, probably associated with the reel motor, & the various 'fixes' with the commonest fix [& pretty successful if U are lucky] being the multiple De-oxit one as an easy to try, first b4 trying anything else Best of luck & pls contact me if U need more Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Jvrg van Hoorn To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] Need help with a BX-300E. Stops playing with a certainamount of tape on the takeup reel My Nakamichi BX-300E is behaving strange. I didn't use it for a long time and now an old behavior came back that was gone after a repair a few years ago. When I put in a tape that's at its beginning it plays fine for a count of up to (about) 600 according to the counter. Then it stops playing. When I retry from here it plays for a very short while (max a few seconds) and stops again. If I shut the machine off and retry at the same point later it stops after a few seconds again. My first guess (after some reading) was the idler. I ordered an idler tire but when I opened the machine I noticed that it already has the gear idler. Next guess was the photoelectric cell that measures reel movement, but the counter works. It is not heat related since it occurs immediately when I switch on and use a tape in its middle. My guess now is that it has something to do with the reel motor. The motor works fine for rewind and ff, also plays without problems for as long as I want if there is no cassette in the player. If there is a cassette in I get that strange behavior once there is that certain amount of tape on the takeup reel. Could anyone give me an hint on what else to check or on how to approach the reel motor if that's the reason? I took the machine apart down to the reel motor but have no idea on how to open that. And also no idea if that's really necessary. Thanks a lot! Joerg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080113/860d6017/at tachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:32:21 -0500 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <478A20F5.2040805 at rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed RICHARD FIne wrote: > Hello, > A few years ago, I too felt that analog was far superior to digital, > until a couple of comparisions were done in which they were found to be > indistinguishable. > Namely, last summer I went to a friends home, it was quite the event, > people from all over the country were coming over for the "Analog > Digital Challenge", which, if you do a search on VinylAsylum you can see > quite lengthy arguements before/after the challenge. > My friend has a very expensive sound room. Within, there is close to > $500 in audio gear, he has only the best. > Another person, a recording engineer who is also a member of the same > Audio Society, brought his Tascam DV-RA1000HD hi-res recorder/player. > This recorder records from Red book, all the way up to > 192kHz/24-bit PCM and my choice, DSD (same format used for SACD) > The Challenge was that the owner of the system could not guess correctly > a certain number of times (not sure, but I think the aggreed number was > 5, but he went an extra 1 or 2) whether the music subject was the > digital version (recorded from the same turntable, using an Alesis > MasterLink ML-9600 recorder), or the analog version (he has a $80,000 > Rockport turntable) It was a very strict test procedure, using special > blindfolds and having a test director. > My friend lost the challenge, he missed only 1 of the choices, but, the > bet was that he wouldn't miss any. I forgot to mention, that the format > used was 192kHz/24-bit for about half the recording and the other half > was the "lowly" 16-bit Red Book, they didn't use the Tascam for the > testing, it was used the next day for comparison. > The eye opener, was that every single other person that took the same > test, each is a person who is also a member of the Audio Society, very > knowledgeable about audio gear and has a substantially high quality > system of their own, got almost every one wrong, on a couple, the person > was totally opposite of what was digital or analog. Nothing surprising here. Very often, human perception greatly depends on preconceived ideas, on immaterial factors (such as, the cost of the equipment) and/or misleading visual clues. When these extraneous factors are removed, a person's reception often dramatically changes. > I believe, when digital is done correctly, not "mass produced" by > stamping, (I think alot of the quality of the origional is lost here). Actually, no. As long as the error rate is within the error correction capability of the digital format, stamping quality is immaterial. When it does not, errors become *very* audible. In most of the cases, this is a binary effect: the stamping is either good enough or not good at all. > That it can equal analog. No, it will surpass it. In this test, the original recording was analog. The best the digital copy could do was match it. Had the original been live sound, the digital (always at 192ksps/24 bit and most of the time at 44.1ksps/16bit) would have been better. -- Ron > I have a Sony SCD-1 CD/SACD player that sounds > glorious, and there are better players out there. > People need to get out and hear what is out there, don't judge a format > without really discovering what it can do. It is really childish to go > into an us/them scenario which so often happens... people take their > gear too personally, they need to have a more open mind, we are missing > out if we don't. > I for a long time was on the "Analog is Best" bandwagon, but, from my > experience, it is equal... it's just too bad the Music Industry couldn't > get it right, and give a quality product. > I still listen 80% of the time to vinyl, but because I have over 10,000 > records. I plan to purchase a Tascam DV-RA1000HD recorder and put my > best records on disc. This recorder is amazing, it will make a recording > in the SACD format of DSD, it has a 40G hard drive, so you can do what > you need to do either on the deck, or hooked to your computer, then burn > the disc or play it on the drive. > > I appologize for the lengthy post, just felt the need to open some > minds/ears... don't make a judgement until you have heard it for real... > > > Rick > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:06:04 -0500 From: Le Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <478A36EC.2020304 at rivendell-farm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I'm looking for a 2 input to 2 output audio switcher. I'd like to be able to choose from either my DVD player (Concert Videos) or Satelite converter (XM radio) to either the TV or receiver. I have no desire to run the stereo for normal TV or movie viewing but it would be nice to be able to record off of XM or listen to the concerts on something better than the TV speakers. Le ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:17:41 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Re: digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <935030.60237.qm at web60517.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Rick, Most of us know that already about lossless compression. A lot of the argument was; that with analog high-end stuff so readily available at auction for a fraction of its original price, why not buy that instead of investing in digital? You should know very well that the digital equipment made today is not going to last the test of time that old high-end analog stuff has-the quality is just not there for the average audio hobby enthusiast. Most of us are already familiar with analog and have substantial record collections. It doesn't help that the format wars between SACD and DVD-A are still raging. CD-R's are not proving to store well in a lot of circumstances and a lot of tape masters were literally thrown out in public archives where the CD-R's replaced them. If that music is backed up on a hard drive somewhere, great, if not it's now lost forever. I don't like the idea of having a hard drive somewhere dedicated to backing up all my LP's in the inevitable event of CD-R failure. They can invent something better than that, as that's piss-poor consumerism technology. However, that being said, I personally love mixing all the formats together for my own selfish gain and convenience. There are some marvelous software programs for cleaning up records and they continue to improve in user 'friendliness'. Although admittedly, I'm very partial to watching the big reels spin round 'n round.;-) I'm also partial to Naks inventiveness and superior engineering. Most people in this hobby are enamored with units that were considered to be the very best in their day. We make allowances for their shortcomings today, if any. I read a very well reasoned discussion once about LP's versus the digital CD and it was said that while billions of bits of information were encoded in a music CD, trillions of bit of information are encoded in a record. Most everybody will admit that the industry dropping LP's in the early 80's was a stellar mistake that hurt everybody. The current artists who offer records and the 180-200 gram reissues of older works are absolute marvels. And I also find it interesting the the TT and cartridge lunatics keep pulling more and more useful information from the 'lowly' record. It's like buried treasure-the more you tweak, the more you discover....up to a reasonable point of course, as I don't think $80,000 TT's and $15,000 wood carts are in the realm of most of us lowly consumers who raise families and have mortgages. However there's always the 'trickle down' theory working for us, in that the technology of the ultra high-end often becomes affordable for us lowly consumers in some form or another. We've seen that happen in amps, pre-amps, TT's, speakers, carts etc, where the 'little brother' can rival his big brother in the average listening room. I was always one to have 'less' features, if I got similar quality output. You must have made a typing error when you said, "My friend has a very expensive sound room. Within, there is close to $500 in audio gear, he has only the best." $500 does not impress...did you mean $500,000?? Further, blind listening tests need to be done A/B/X. You can read all about that in many of Peter Aczel's articles in "The Audio Critic", now found easily online. Kevin Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:35:57 -0800 > From: RICHARD FIne > Subject: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) > To: Hello, > A few years ago, I too felt that analog was far > superior to digital, until a couple of comparisions > were done in which they were found to be > indistinguishable. > Namely, last summer I went to a friends home, it was > quite the event, people from all over the country > were coming over for the "Analog Digital Challenge", > which, if you do a search on VinylAsylum you can see > quite lengthy arguements before/after the challenge. > My friend has a very expensive sound room. Within, > there is close to $500 in audio gear, he has only > the best. > Another person, a recording engineer who is also a > member of the same Audio Society, brought his Tascam > DV-RA1000HD hi-res recorder/player. This recorder > records from Red book, all the way up to > 192kHz/24-bit PCM and my choice, DSD (same format > used for SACD) > The Challenge was that the owner of the system could > not guess correctly a certain number of times (not > sure, but I think the aggreed number was 5, but he > went an extra 1 or 2) whether the music subject was > the digital version (recorded from the same > turntable, using an Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 > recorder), or the analog version (he has a $80,000 > Rockport turntable) It was a very strict test > procedure, using special blindfolds and having a > test director. > My friend lost the challenge, he missed only 1 of > the choices, but, the bet was that he wouldn't miss > any. I forgot to mention, that the format used was > 192kHz/24-bit for about half the recording and the > other half was the "lowly" 16-bit Red Book, they > didn't use the Tascam for the testing, it was used > the next day for comparison. > The eye opener, was that every single other person > that took the same test, each is a person who is > also a member of the Audio Society, very > knowledgeable about audio gear and has a > substantially high quality system of their own, got > almost every one wrong, on a couple, the person was > totally opposite of what was digital or analog. > I believe, when digital is done correctly, not "mass > produced" by stamping, (I think alot of the quality > of the origional is lost here). That it can equal > analog. I have a Sony SCD-1 CD/SACD player that > sounds glorious, and there are better players out > there. > People need to get out and hear what is out there, > don't judge a format without really discovering what > it can do. It is really childish to go into an > us/them scenario which so often happens... people > take their gear too personally, they need to have a > more open mind, we are missing out if we don't. > I for a long time was on the "Analog is Best" > bandwagon, but, from my experience, it is equal... > it's just too bad the Music Industry couldn't get it > right, and give a quality product. > I still listen 80% of the time to vinyl, but because > I have over 10,000 records. I plan to purchase a > Tascam DV-RA1000HD recorder and put my best records > on disc. This recorder is amazing, it will make a > recording in the SACD format of DSD, it has a 40G > hard drive, so you can do what you need to do either > on the deck, or hooked to your computer, then burn > the disc or play it on the drive. > > I appologize for the lengthy post, just felt the > need to open some minds/ears... don't make a > judgement until you have heard it for real... > > > Rick ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:03:28 EST From: Bansijeff at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with a BX-300E. Stops playing with a certainamount of... To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" In a message dated 1/13/2008 8:46:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com writes: My guess now is that it has something to do with the reel motor. The motor works fine for rewind and ff, also plays without problems for as long as I want if there is no cassette in the player. If there is a cassette in I get that strange behavior once there is that certain amount of tape on the takeup reel. Could anyone give me an hint on what else to check or on how to approach the reel motor if thatb From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Jan 14 14:25:58 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:25:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) In-Reply-To: <7615961.1200264697364.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <952CDA7318D7479AB116069AE3ECCF7A@GrahamNPC> There be the rub! First, you have to have an ear that's in good condition. Next you have to "train it" (the brain, not the ear) to hear the differences. I'm sure some people think they hear a difference when they actually imagine it BUT I'm equally sure some people can, and have, learnt to tell the difference, too. Hearing is no different from any of the other senses, and all can be "trained" to go way beyond "normal" sensing. For example, I met a guy who is has been both blind and deaf virtually since birth; I tell no word of a lie, this guy can tell your mood - depressed, sad, happy, just okay - just by holding your hand. Such heightened sensitivity by touch seems impossible to the rest of us, yet it is. Another more common one. Dyslexic Typically have poor short term memories, especially for information TOLD TO THEM. Yet they often have phenomenal memories for things they see and feel. Try teaching one of my boy's his to do a simple calculation one day, and the next he won't even remember the lesson let alone what he was taught. Yet, he'll see a film that all of us only vaguely remember, only that we've seen it, but if he's seen it he'll remember exactly what happens and to who, just short of recalling the script! A friend had the part of his brain responsible for communication completely destroyed in a motor cycle accident. All that was left was the parts responsible for motor skills moving arms, legs. His brain re-routed, replacing the lost communication section by throwing out the motor skills from their part of the brain. Hence he can now talk and write, do maths, it allowed him to retain the motor skills to lift a pint of beer (AND talk at the same time!) but he can't walk! The brain compensates for the loss of one thing by increasing it for another, thus demonstrating its amazing capabilities. So, I can easily believe that some people truly can learn how to t ell the difference between a bit of analogue recorded music from one output in the digital domain - after all, they are just "child's play" compared to the seemingly miraculous brain training results I have mentioned. Gra' Graham Nelson -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 10:52 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) I have a friend Rick, who had a Goldmund room. Sony brought an SACD roadshow to Nashville and the late producer/ engineer Denny Purcell brought them over to A/B SACD and analog. Rick was able to pick out the analog every time, confounding the Sony folks. While this is not science, I do feel that when one has a high resolution system, one can learn with time to recognize signal sources and processing. It takes a totally open mind and a lot of both casual and careful listening to have this discriminating ability, but as I like to say, the brain is an incredible listening tool. tom brucker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Jan 14 14:27:25 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:27:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Need help with Nak 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <002d01c8569f$56b85950$04290bf0$@com> References: <200801141104.m0EB1fUM031796@zxe.naks.com> <002d01c8569f$56b85950$04290bf0$@com> Message-ID: <478B633D.7010203@peromarta.org> Hi Carlos, I am in Madrid, and I can certainly give you a hand with your deck. Contact me off list. Best rgds, LP. http://peromarta.org/naks/services.html Carlos Manuel Pires escribió: > Hi all, I'm moving from America to Portugal, and among my things I have a > Nak 1000ZXL that is operating but needs servicing; I'd like to know if there > are service centers in Lisbon that deal with this fine piece of equipment. > Thanks in advance. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of naktalk-request at naks.com > Sent: segunda-feira, 14 de Janeiro de 2008 11:04 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 59, Issue 14 > > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Need help with a BX-300E. Stops playing with a > certainamount of tape on the takeup reel (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) > 2. Re: digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) (Ron) > 3. Re: Audio Switchers (Le) > 4. Re: digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) (Kevin Fetner) > 5. Re: Need help with a BX-300E. Stops playing with a > certainamount of... (Bansijeff at aol.com) > 6. digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) (RICHARD FIne) > 7. Re: Audio Switchers (Bansijeff at aol.com) > 8. Frequency Counter (Paul Carrington) > 9. Re: digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) (Tom Brucker) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:59:34 -0000 > From: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with a BX-300E. Stops playing with a > certainamount of tape on the takeup reel > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <005b01c855e4$34aac390$0202a8c0 at bowleyinlmnplk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Jorg > > Look at last month's [& previous monthly archives] re this issue, probably > associated with the reel motor, & the various 'fixes' with the commonest fix > [& pretty successful if U are lucky] being the multiple De-oxit one as an > easy to try, first b4 trying anything else > > Best of luck & pls contact me if U need more > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jvrg van Hoorn > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 9:14 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Need help with a BX-300E. Stops playing with a > certainamount of tape on the takeup reel > > > My Nakamichi BX-300E is behaving strange. I didn't use it for a long time > and now an old behavior came back that was gone after a repair a few years > ago. When I put in a tape that's at its beginning it plays fine for a count > of up to (about) 600 according to the counter. Then it stops playing. When I > retry from here it plays for a very short while (max a few seconds) and > stops again. > > > > If I shut the machine off and retry at the same point later it stops after > a few seconds again. > > > > My first guess (after some reading) was the idler. I ordered an idler tire > but when I opened the machine I noticed that it already has the gear idler. > > > > Next guess was the photoelectric cell that measures reel movement, but the > counter works. > > > > It is not heat related since it occurs immediately when I switch on and > use a tape in its middle. > > > > My guess now is that it has something to do with the reel motor. The motor > works fine for rewind and ff, also plays without problems for as long as I > want if there is no cassette in the player. > > If there is a cassette in I get that strange behavior once there is that > certain amount of tape on the takeup reel. > > > > Could anyone give me an hint on what else to check or on how to approach > the reel motor if that's the reason? I took the machine apart down to the > reel motor but have no idea on how to open that. And also no idea if that's > really necessary. > > > > Thanks a lot! > > Joerg > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.2/1221 - Release Date: > 12/01/2008 14:04 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080113/860d6017/at > tachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:32:21 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <478A20F5.2040805 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > RICHARD FIne wrote: >> Hello, >> A few years ago, I too felt that analog was far superior to digital, >> until a couple of comparisions were done in which they were found to be >> indistinguishable. >> Namely, last summer I went to a friends home, it was quite the event, >> people from all over the country were coming over for the "Analog >> Digital Challenge", which, if you do a search on VinylAsylum you can see >> quite lengthy arguements before/after the challenge. >> My friend has a very expensive sound room. Within, there is close to >> $500 in audio gear, he has only the best. >> Another person, a recording engineer who is also a member of the same >> Audio Society, brought his Tascam DV-RA1000HD hi-res recorder/player. >> This recorder records from Red book, all the way up to >> 192kHz/24-bit PCM and my choice, DSD (same format used for SACD) >> The Challenge was that the owner of the system could not guess correctly >> a certain number of times (not sure, but I think the aggreed number was >> 5, but he went an extra 1 or 2) whether the music subject was the >> digital version (recorded from the same turntable, using an Alesis >> MasterLink ML-9600 recorder), or the analog version (he has a $80,000 >> Rockport turntable) It was a very strict test procedure, using special >> blindfolds and having a test director. >> My friend lost the challenge, he missed only 1 of the choices, but, the >> bet was that he wouldn't miss any. I forgot to mention, that the format >> used was 192kHz/24-bit for about half the recording and the other half >> was the "lowly" 16-bit Red Book, they didn't use the Tascam for the >> testing, it was used the next day for comparison. >> The eye opener, was that every single other person that took the same >> test, each is a person who is also a member of the Audio Society, very >> knowledgeable about audio gear and has a substantially high quality >> system of their own, got almost every one wrong, on a couple, the person >> was totally opposite of what was digital or analog. > > Nothing surprising here. Very often, human > perception greatly depends on preconceived > ideas, on immaterial factors (such as, the > cost of the equipment) and/or misleading > visual clues. When these extraneous factors > are removed, a person's reception often > dramatically changes. > >> I believe, when digital is done correctly, not "mass produced" by >> stamping, (I think alot of the quality of the origional is lost here). > > Actually, no. As long as the error rate is > within the error correction capability of the > digital format, stamping quality is immaterial. > When it does not, errors become *very* audible. > In most of the cases, this is a binary effect: > the stamping is either good enough or not good > at all. > >> That it can equal analog. > > No, it will surpass it. In this test, the original > recording was analog. The best the digital copy > could do was match it. Had the original been live > sound, the digital (always at 192ksps/24 bit and > most of the time at 44.1ksps/16bit) would have > been better. > > -- Ron > > >> I have a Sony SCD-1 CD/SACD player that sounds >> glorious, and there are better players out there. >> People need to get out and hear what is out there, don't judge a format >> without really discovering what it can do. It is really childish to go >> into an us/them scenario which so often happens... people take their >> gear too personally, they need to have a more open mind, we are missing >> out if we don't. >> I for a long time was on the "Analog is Best" bandwagon, but, from my >> experience, it is equal... it's just too bad the Music Industry couldn't >> get it right, and give a quality product. >> I still listen 80% of the time to vinyl, but because I have over 10,000 >> records. I plan to purchase a Tascam DV-RA1000HD recorder and put my >> best records on disc. This recorder is amazing, it will make a recording >> in the SACD format of DSD, it has a 40G hard drive, so you can do what >> you need to do either on the deck, or hooked to your computer, then burn >> the disc or play it on the drive. >> >> I appologize for the lengthy post, just felt the need to open some >> minds/ears... don't make a judgement until you have heard it for real... >> >> >> Rick >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:06:04 -0500 > From: Le > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <478A36EC.2020304 at rivendell-farm.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > I'm looking for a 2 input to 2 output audio switcher. I'd like to be > able to choose from either my DVD player (Concert Videos) or Satelite > converter (XM radio) to either the TV or receiver. I have no desire to > run the stereo for normal TV or movie viewing but it would be nice to be > able to record off of XM or listen to the concerts on something better > than the TV speakers. > > Le > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:17:41 -0800 (PST) > From: Kevin Fetner > Subject: [naktalk] Re: digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <935030.60237.qm at web60517.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Rick, > Most of us know that already about lossless > compression. A lot of the argument was; that with > analog high-end stuff so readily available at auction > for a fraction of its original price, why not buy that > instead of investing in digital? You should know very > well that the digital equipment made today is not > going to last the test of time that old high-end > analog stuff has-the quality is just not there for the > average audio hobby enthusiast. Most of us are already > familiar with analog and have substantial record > collections. It doesn't help that the format wars > between SACD and DVD-A are still raging. CD-R's are > not proving to store well in a lot of circumstances > and a lot of tape masters were literally thrown out in > public archives where the CD-R's replaced them. If > that music is backed up on a hard drive somewhere, > great, if not it's now lost forever. I don't like the > idea of having a hard drive somewhere dedicated to > backing up all my LP's in the inevitable event of CD-R > failure. They can invent something better than that, > as that's piss-poor consumerism technology. > > However, that being said, I personally love mixing all > the formats together for my own selfish gain and > convenience. There are some marvelous software > programs for cleaning up records and they continue to > improve in user 'friendliness'. Although admittedly, > I'm very partial to watching the big reels spin round > 'n round.;-) I'm also partial to Naks inventiveness > and superior engineering. Most people in this hobby > are enamored with units that were considered to be the > very best in their day. We make allowances for their > shortcomings today, if any. I read a very well > reasoned discussion once about LP's versus the digital > CD and it was said that while billions of bits of > information were encoded in a music CD, trillions of > bit of information are encoded in a record. Most > everybody will admit that the industry dropping LP's > in the early 80's was a stellar mistake that hurt > everybody. The current artists who offer records and > the 180-200 gram reissues of older works are absolute > marvels. And I also find it interesting the the TT and > cartridge lunatics keep pulling more and more useful > information from the 'lowly' record. It's like buried > treasure-the more you tweak, the more you > discover....up to a reasonable point of course, as I > don't think $80,000 TT's and $15,000 wood carts are in > the realm of most of us lowly consumers who raise > families and have mortgages. However there's always > the 'trickle down' theory working for us, in that the > technology of the ultra high-end often becomes > affordable for us lowly consumers in some form or > another. We've seen that happen in amps, pre-amps, > TT's, speakers, carts etc, where the 'little brother' > can rival his big brother in the average listening > room. I was always one to have 'less' features, if I > got similar quality output. > > You must have made a typing error when you said, "My > friend has a very expensive sound room. Within, > there is close to $500 in audio gear, he has only > the best." > > $500 does not impress...did you mean $500,000?? > Further, blind listening tests need to be done A/B/X. > You can read all about that in many of Peter Aczel's > articles in "The Audio Critic", now found easily > online. > > Kevin > > > Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:35:57 -0800 >> From: RICHARD FIne >> Subject: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) >> To: > Hello, >> A few years ago, I too felt that analog was far >> superior to digital, until a couple of comparisions >> were done in which they were found to be >> indistinguishable. >> Namely, last summer I went to a friends home, it was >> quite the event, people from all over the country >> were coming over for the "Analog Digital Challenge", >> which, if you do a search on VinylAsylum you can see >> quite lengthy arguements before/after the challenge. >> My friend has a very expensive sound room. Within, >> there is close to $500 in audio gear, he has only >> the best. >> Another person, a recording engineer who is also a >> member of the same Audio Society, brought his Tascam >> DV-RA1000HD hi-res recorder/player. This recorder >> records from Red book, all the way up to >> 192kHz/24-bit PCM and my choice, DSD (same format >> used for SACD) >> The Challenge was that the owner of the system could >> not guess correctly a certain number of times (not >> sure, but I think the aggreed number was 5, but he >> went an extra 1 or 2) whether the music subject was >> the digital version (recorded from the same >> turntable, using an Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 >> recorder), or the analog version (he has a $80,000 >> Rockport turntable) It was a very strict test >> procedure, using special blindfolds and having a >> test director. >> My friend lost the challenge, he missed only 1 of >> the choices, but, the bet was that he wouldn't miss >> any. I forgot to mention, that the format used was >> 192kHz/24-bit for about half the recording and the >> other half was the "lowly" 16-bit Red Book, they >> didn't use the Tascam for the testing, it was used >> the next day for comparison. >> The eye opener, was that every single other person >> that took the same test, each is a person who is >> also a member of the Audio Society, very >> knowledgeable about audio gear and has a >> substantially high quality system of their own, got >> almost every one wrong, on a couple, the person was >> totally opposite of what was digital or analog. >> I believe, when digital is done correctly, not "mass >> produced" by stamping, (I think alot of the quality >> of the origional is lost here). That it can equal >> analog. I have a Sony SCD-1 CD/SACD player that >> sounds glorious, and there are better players out >> there. >> People need to get out and hear what is out there, >> don't judge a format without really discovering what >> it can do. It is really childish to go into an >> us/them scenario which so often happens... people >> take their gear too personally, they need to have a >> more open mind, we are missing out if we don't. >> I for a long time was on the "Analog is Best" >> bandwagon, but, from my experience, it is equal... >> it's just too bad the Music Industry couldn't get it >> right, and give a quality product. >> I still listen 80% of the time to vinyl, but because >> I have over 10,000 records. I plan to purchase a >> Tascam DV-RA1000HD recorder and put my best records >> on disc. This recorder is amazing, it will make a >> recording in the SACD format of DSD, it has a 40G >> hard drive, so you can do what you need to do either >> on the deck, or hooked to your computer, then burn >> the disc or play it on the drive. >> >> I appologize for the lengthy post, just felt the >> need to open some minds/ears... don't make a >> judgement until you have heard it for real... >> >> >> Rick > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:03:28 EST > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with a BX-300E. Stops playing with a > certainamount of... > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > In a message dated 1/13/2008 8:46:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com writes: > > My guess now is that it has something to do with the reel motor. The motor > works fine for rewind and ff, also plays without problems for as long as I > want if there is no cassette in the player. > If there is a cassette in I get that strange behavior once there is that > certain amount of tape on the takeup reel. > Could anyone give me an hint on what else to check or on how to approach > the > reel motor if thatb > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 14 15:38:28 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:38:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) In-Reply-To: <7615961.1200264697364.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7615961.1200264697364.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <478B73E4.3090002@rcn.com> Tom, whenever I am told that someone can violate laws of physics, I start looking for the hidden mirrors... It can be easily shown that SACD can record, then reproduce, audio with NO change to the signal. By that I mean, changes are all but unmeasurable. So, where exactly are the auditory cues that let your friend tell them apart? In the case of your friend, I would ask whether the testing was double blind, what was the source, what was the venue, etc., etc.. Anecdotal testimony (like, "A friend told me that his aunt saw a dog recite the Bible") somehow doesn't do it for me. Reminds me of the quip, "Yesterday I saw a flee sitting on a tree 500 yards from me. I took out my trusty old rifle and shot the flee right smack in the head. And, if you don't believe me, come over and I'll show you the tree"? Peace, -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > I have a friend Rick, who had a Goldmund room. Sony brought an SACD > roadshow to Nashville and the late producer/ engineer Denny Purcell > brought them over to A/B SACD and analog. Rick was able to pick out the > analog every time, confounding the Sony folks. While this is not > science, I do feel that when one has a high resolution system, one can > learn with time to recognize signal sources and processing. It takes a > totally open mind and a lot of both casual and careful listening to have > this discriminating ability, but as I like to say, the brain is an > incredible listening tool. > > tom brucker > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: RICHARD FIne > Sent: Jan 12, 2008 12:35 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) > > Hello, > A few years ago, I too felt that analog was far superior to digital, > until a couple of comparisions were done in which they were found to > be indistinguishable. > Namely, last summer I went to a friends home, it was quite the > event, people from all over the country were coming over for the > "Analog Digital Challenge", which, if you do a search on VinylAsylum > you can see quite lengthy arguements before/after the challenge. > My friend has a very expensive sound room. Within, there is close to > $500 in audio gear, he has only the best. > Another person, a recording engineer who is also a member of the > same Audio Society, brought his Tascam DV-RA1000HD hi-res > recorder/player. This recorder records from Red book, all the way up to > 192kHz/24-bit PCM and my choice, DSD (same format used for SACD) > The Challenge was that the owner of the system could not guess > correctly a certain number of times (not sure, but I think the > aggreed number was 5, but he went an extra 1 or 2) whether the music > subject was the digital version (recorded from the same turntable, > using an Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder), or the analog version > (he has a $80,000 Rockport turntable) It was a very strict test > procedure, using special blindfolds and having a test director. > My friend lost the challenge, he missed only 1 of the choices, but, > the bet was that he wouldn't miss any. I forgot to mention, that the > format used was 192kHz/24-bit for about half the recording and the > other half was the "lowly" 16-bit Red Book, they didn't use the > Tascam for the testing, it was used the next day for comparison. > The eye opener, was that every single other person that took the > same test, each is a person who is also a member of the Audio > Society, very knowledgeable about audio gear and has a substantially > high quality system of their own, got almost every one wrong, on a > couple, the person was totally opposite of what was digital or analog. > I believe, when digital is done correctly, not "mass produced" by > stamping, (I think alot of the quality of the origional is lost > here). That it can equal analog. I have a Sony SCD-1 CD/SACD player > that sounds glorious, and there are better players out there. > People need to get out and hear what is out there, don't judge a > format without really discovering what it can do. It is really > childish to go into an us/them scenario which so often happens... > people take their gear too personally, they need to have a more open > mind, we are missing out if we don't. > I for a long time was on the "Analog is Best" bandwagon, but, from > my experience, it is equal... it's just too bad the Music Industry > couldn't get it right, and give a quality product. > I still listen 80% of the time to vinyl, but because I have over > 10,000 records. I plan to purchase a Tascam DV-RA1000HD recorder and > put my best records on disc. This recorder is amazing, it will make > a recording in the SACD format of DSD, it has a 40G hard drive, so > you can do what you need to do either on the deck, or hooked to your > computer, then burn the disc or play it on the drive. > > I appologize for the lengthy post, just felt the need to open some > minds/ears... don't make a judgement until you have heard it for real... > > > Rick > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 From greynlds at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 15:50:31 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:50:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) References: <952CDA7318D7479AB116069AE3ECCF7A@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <005f01c856bc$d10b7ad0$3201a8c0@geoffwin2k> That the 2 are distinguishable on a really good system isn't a shock. You mention the ability to recognize signal sources and processing, so the obvious question is did Rick recognize some attribute of his analog source that is always there (and he is therefore used to) that wasn't present in the SACD source (could be anything - hiss, static, better sound)? Which one is "better" is a much tougher issue to tackle. There's no doubt in my mind that most digital sources are a lot more convenient, a lot easier to configure, and require far less maintainance / hand holding than most analog sources. There are lots of reasons to like analog though - for example, handling a CD just doesn't compare to handling an LP or reel to reel tape. Many analog components are amazing pieces of engineering, while most digital sources aren't even remotely exciting to watch. Personally, I enjoy both. -- Geoffrey Reynolds -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 10:52 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) I have a friend Rick, who had a Goldmund room. Sony brought an SACD roadshow to Nashville and the late producer/ engineer Denny Purcell brought them over to A/B SACD and analog. Rick was able to pick out the analog every time, confounding the Sony folks. While this is not science, I do feel that when one has a high resolution system, one can learn with time to recognize signal sources and processing. It takes a totally open mind and a lot of both casual and careful listening to have this discriminating ability, but as I like to say, the brain is an incredible listening tool. tom brucker From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jan 14 17:25:21 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:25:21 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) Message-ID: <20964506.1200327921412.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ron, Remember I said this event was not science. Perhaps Rick heard the cables and not the SACD sound itself. While one could make an effort to eliminate variables and rerun the test, my point is that we can hear things that defy our present abilities to rationalize or explain. I have a friend who owns High Emotion Audio, the maker of PipeDreams speakers. You'd think with 3 sets of 'Dreams in his room he'd be a pretty good listener, but in fact he's not. Not analytical anyway. He responds to reproduced music on an emotional level unlike anyone I've ever met. His present speaker designs break many of our "sacred" ideas about speaker design...you'd be shocked to learn which ones, and yet the new speakers sound wonderful. In other words, break the "laws of physics" that we have held dear in the modern hifi era, and achieve a closer reality in music reproduction? It is through lessons like these that I insist on an open mind, trusting what I hear, and trusting others and what they hear. There is little value in being judgemental of others. Mirrors and smoke work quite well with the closed minded! tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Ron >Sent: Jan 14, 2008 8:38 AM >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) > > >Tom, whenever I am told that someone can violate >laws of physics, I start looking for the hidden >mirrors... > >It can be easily shown that SACD can record, then >reproduce, audio with NO change to the signal. By >that I mean, changes are all but unmeasurable. So, >where exactly are the auditory cues that let your >friend tell them apart? > >In the case of your friend, I would ask whether >the testing was double blind, what was the source, >what was the venue, etc., etc.. > >Anecdotal testimony (like, "A friend told me that >his aunt saw a dog recite the Bible") somehow >doesn't do it for me. Reminds me of the quip, >"Yesterday I saw a flee sitting on a tree 500 >yards from me. I took out my trusty old rifle >and shot the flee right smack in the head. And, >if you don't believe me, come over and I'll >show you the tree"? > >Peace, > >-- Ron > > > > > >Tom Brucker wrote: >> I have a friend Rick, who had a Goldmund room. Sony brought an SACD >> roadshow to Nashville and the late producer/ engineer Denny Purcell >> brought them over to A/B SACD and analog. Rick was able to pick out the >> analog every time, confounding the Sony folks. While this is not >> science, I do feel that when one has a high resolution system, one can >> learn with time to recognize signal sources and processing. It takes a >> totally open mind and a lot of both casual and careful listening to have >> this discriminating ability, but as I like to say, the brain is an >> incredible listening tool. >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: RICHARD FIne >> Sent: Jan 12, 2008 12:35 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) >> >> Hello, >> A few years ago, I too felt that analog was far superior to digital, >> until a couple of comparisions were done in which they were found to >> be indistinguishable. >> Namely, last summer I went to a friends home, it was quite the >> event, people from all over the country were coming over for the >> "Analog Digital Challenge", which, if you do a search on VinylAsylum >> you can see quite lengthy arguements before/after the challenge. >> My friend has a very expensive sound room. Within, there is close to >> $500 in audio gear, he has only the best. >> Another person, a recording engineer who is also a member of the >> same Audio Society, brought his Tascam DV-RA1000HD hi-res >> recorder/player. This recorder records from Red book, all the way up to >> 192kHz/24-bit PCM and my choice, DSD (same format used for SACD) >> The Challenge was that the owner of the system could not guess >> correctly a certain number of times (not sure, but I think the >> aggreed number was 5, but he went an extra 1 or 2) whether the music >> subject was the digital version (recorded from the same turntable, >> using an Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder), or the analog version >> (he has a $80,000 Rockport turntable) It was a very strict test >> procedure, using special blindfolds and having a test director. >> My friend lost the challenge, he missed only 1 of the choices, but, >> the bet was that he wouldn't miss any. I forgot to mention, that the >> format used was 192kHz/24-bit for about half the recording and the >> other half was the "lowly" 16-bit Red Book, they didn't use the >> Tascam for the testing, it was used the next day for comparison. >> The eye opener, was that every single other person that took the >> same test, each is a person who is also a member of the Audio >> Society, very knowledgeable about audio gear and has a substantially >> high quality system of their own, got almost every one wrong, on a >> couple, the person was totally opposite of what was digital or analog. >> I believe, when digital is done correctly, not "mass produced" by >> stamping, (I think alot of the quality of the origional is lost >> here). That it can equal analog. I have a Sony SCD-1 CD/SACD player >> that sounds glorious, and there are better players out there. >> People need to get out and hear what is out there, don't judge a >> format without really discovering what it can do. It is really >> childish to go into an us/them scenario which so often happens... >> people take their gear too personally, they need to have a more open >> mind, we are missing out if we don't. >> I for a long time was on the "Analog is Best" bandwagon, but, from >> my experience, it is equal... it's just too bad the Music Industry >> couldn't get it right, and give a quality product. >> I still listen 80% of the time to vinyl, but because I have over >> 10,000 records. I plan to purchase a Tascam DV-RA1000HD recorder and >> put my best records on disc. This recorder is amazing, it will make >> a recording in the SACD format of DSD, it has a 40G hard drive, so >> you can do what you need to do either on the deck, or hooked to your >> computer, then burn the disc or play it on the drive. >> >> I appologize for the lengthy post, just felt the need to open some >> minds/ears... don't make a judgement until you have heard it for real... >> >> >> Rick >> >> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From tpfinn at btinternet.com Mon Jan 14 19:52:50 2008 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:52:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? Message-ID: <002e01c856de$aa1217a0$0401a8c0@home> Hi All Happy New year to one and all. Has anybody, that has, The marathon Tape CD's (Vol 1 and 2) tried to play them recently?? I have , and they don't seem to! I've tried them on a variety of players young and old and although the players seem to read the TOC and the players play (discs rotate)... there is no output... except occasionally with a mid price sony player on certain tracks you get a distorted spluttering Last time I played them was around 18 months ago and they were fine then!!!! Before I dig any deeper perhaps, I could ask you guys to check your copies Mine are Circa Jan 2004 Set No's 060 and 061. Regards Terry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emersn at sonic.net Mon Jan 14 21:02:04 2008 From: emersn at sonic.net (Stephen Emerson) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:02:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control In-Reply-To: <7615961.1200264697364.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7615961.1200264697364.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: New to list, but certainly here with great respect for its knowledge and tradition of community.... Wrestling with one of my two Naks for some time now -- the CR1a. I have disassembled, cleaned and lubed the cam motor and the motor is working well, so I don't think that's the problem. (Earlier on, the motor didn't work right either.) Here's what happens. --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor starts and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and down. Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again. --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. Soon as you turn on the deck. --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop and then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel motor both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam motor continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and down. --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount of pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the other leaf switches. So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or known test procedures. A bad processor IC might be terminal.... Many thanks, Steve From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 14 21:38:37 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:38:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? In-Reply-To: <002e01c856de$aa1217a0$0401a8c0@home> References: <002e01c856de$aa1217a0$0401a8c0@home> Message-ID: <478BC84D.9030007@rcn.com> TERRY FINN wrote: > > Hi All > > Happy New year to one and all. > > Has anybody, that has, The marathon Tape CD's (Vol 1 and 2) tried to > play them recently?? > > I have , and they don't seem to! Must be something wrong with your particular copy. I recently played my Vol. 1 and it sounded great. -- Ron > I've tried them on a variety of players young and old and although the > players seem to > read the TOC and the players play (discs rotate)... there is no > output... except occasionally with a mid price sony player on certain > tracks you get a distorted spluttering > > > Last time I played them was around 18 months ago and they were fine then!!!! > > Before I dig any deeper perhaps, I could ask you guys to check your copies > > Mine are Circa Jan 2004 Set No's 060 and 061. > > Regards > > Terry > > > // > From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Jan 14 20:33:47 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:33:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? In-Reply-To: <002e01c856de$aa1217a0$0401a8c0@home> References: <002e01c856de$aa1217a0$0401a8c0@home> Message-ID: <20080114193407.IGSM23675.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Terry, In fact, I just played mine, the ones with some purple on it, and it was fine. In fact, I listen to both sets just about every other month. Roland At 01:52 PM 1/14/2008, you wrote: > >Hi All > >Happy New year to one and all. > >Has anybody, that has, The marathon Tape CD's (Vol 1 and 2) tried to >play them recently?? > >I have , and they don't seem to! > >I've tried them on a variety of players young and old and although >the players seem to >read the TOC and the players play (discs rotate)... there is no >output... except occasionally with a mid price sony player on >certain tracks you get a distorted spluttering > > >Last time I played them was around 18 months ago and they were fine then!!!! > >Before I dig any deeper perhaps, I could ask you guys to check your copies > >Mine are Circa Jan 2004 Set No's 060 and 061. > >Regards > >Terry >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 14 22:07:20 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:07:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <384285.29916.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rick, I kept hearing from many that analogue sounded better than digital but I wasn't convinced. Not MP3's, I;m only speaking of wav files. It wasn't till thie other day that I was able to do an "A to B comparison on a level playing field." Tony Bennett sounded much better on the analogue reel to reel @ 7 1/2 ips. I suppose that this "test" may have different outcomes with different music due to many variables. Of course I'm testing/comparing on typical home owner equipment. I have also noticed that CD's sound much better on a quality CD player vs a "budget priced" drug store special! Bob RICHARD FIne wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Hello, A few years ago, I too felt that analog was far superior to digital, until a couple of comparisions were done in which they were found to be indistinguishable. Namely, last summer I went to a friends home, it was quite the event, people from all over the country were coming over for the "Analog Digital Challenge", which, if you do a search on VinylAsylum you can see quite lengthy arguements before/after the challenge. My friend has a very expensive sound room. Within, there is close to $500 in audio gear, he has only the best. Another person, a recording engineer who is also a member of the same Audio Society, brought his Tascam DV-RA1000HD hi-res recorder/player. This recorder records from Red book, all the way up to 192kHz/24-bit PCM and my choice, DSD (same format used for SACD) The Challenge was that the owner of the system could not guess correctly a certain number of times (not sure, but I think the aggreed number was 5, but he went an extra 1 or 2) whether the music subject was the digital version (recorded from the same turntable, using an Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder), or the analog version (he has a $80,000 Rockport turntable) It was a very strict test procedure, using special blindfolds and having a test director. My friend lost the challenge, he missed only 1 of the choices, but, the bet was that he wouldn't miss any. I forgot to mention, that the format used was 192kHz/24-bit for about half the recording and the other half was the "lowly" 16-bit Red Book, they didn't use the Tascam for the testing, it was used the next day for comparison. The eye opener, was that every single other person that took the same test, each is a person who is also a member of the Audio Society, very knowledgeable about audio gear and has a substantially high quality system of their own, got almost every one wrong, on a couple, the person was totally opposite of what was digital or analog. I believe, when digital is done correctly, not "mass produced" by stamping, (I think alot of the quality of the origional is lost here). That it can equal analog. I have a Sony SCD-1 CD/SACD player that sounds glorious, and there are better players out there. People need to get out and hear what is out there, don't judge a format without really discovering what it can do. It is really childish to go into an us/them scenario which so often happens... people take their gear too personally, they need to have a more open mind, we are missing out if we don't. I for a long time was on the "Analog is Best" bandwagon, but, from my experience, it is equal... it's just too bad the Music Industry couldn't get it right, and give a quality product. I still listen 80% of the time to vinyl, but because I have over 10,000 records. I plan to purchase a Tascam DV-RA1000HD recorder and put my best records on disc. This recorder is amazing, it will make a recording in the SACD format of DSD, it has a 40G hard drive, so you can do what you need to do either on the deck, or hooked to your computer, then burn the disc or play it on the drive. I appologize for the lengthy post, just felt the need to open some minds/ears... don't make a judgement until you have heard it for real... Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Jan 15 03:21:09 2008 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:21:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sabtronics 8610 In-Reply-To: <478AB966.1060500@caribsurf.com> References: <478AB966.1060500@caribsurf.com> Message-ID: Hi, I am helping one of our naktalk members post this as he is having some problems accessing naktalk recently. Does anyone have the schematic for a Sabtronics 8610 frequency counter? If you do or know where to find one, please let me know and I'll forward the information. Cheers. Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Telly addicts unite! http://www.searchgamesbox.com/tvtown.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 02:00:19 2008 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:00:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? In-Reply-To: <002e01c856de$aa1217a0$0401a8c0@home> Message-ID: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Did you store them in a dark place? Light exposure is a sure way to ruin burned CDs. NIST did a study of a variety of different types of dye based writeable DVDs and CDs. The results were not very good most of the of media dyes. For the longest life you want to get discs with Silver+Gold reflective layers and phthalocyanine dye. There is a study on going between NIST and the Library of Congress, but, I haven't seen any results yet. The NIST study is here. http://www.itl.nist.gov/iad/894.05/docs/StabilityStudy.pdf I have links to some archival grade CD media on my FAQ web page. I'm not sure if they are silver+gold phthalocyanine though. SJ TERRY FINN wrote: Hi All Happy New year to one and all. Has anybody, that has, The marathon Tape CD's (Vol 1 and 2) tried to play them recently?? I have , and they don't seem to! I've tried them on a variety of players young and old and although the players seem to read the TOC and the players play (discs rotate)... there is no output... except occasionally with a mid price sony player on certain tracks you get a distorted spluttering Last time I played them was around 18 months ago and they were fine then!!!! Before I dig any deeper perhaps, I could ask you guys to check your copies Mine are Circa Jan 2004 Set No's 060 and 061. Regards Terry ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Tue Jan 15 09:19:03 2008 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:19:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) (Kevin Fetner) Message-ID: I would like to respond to a couple of responses to my post. In a round about way, this is related to Nak machines... First, Ron: I disagree with many points of your responce. 1.) You stated "Very often human perception greatly depends on pre-concieved ideas, on immaterial factors (such as the cost of the equipment) and/or misleading visual clues. Ron, usually, not always, quality of equipment is related to cost, I agree that as cost goes up, the rate of return is less, but, it does increase. That would be like saying there is no audible difference between the Nak BX-1 and the Nak 1000ZXL Limited. A high-end system done right, will blow you away. Very high resolution will make the tinyest detail audible, and lifelike. 2.) When I stated "I believe when digital is done correctly, not "Mass produced" by stamping (I think alot of the quality is lost here)" You answered "Actually, no. As long s the error code rate is within the error correction capability of the digital format, stamping quality is immaterial" I dissagree again. Your statement may be true in "data" type material, but not in audio. Errors can be less than what your error correction allows and still add to "jitter" which adds to audible distortion. It is common knowledge to most who burn alot of CD's to CD-R's that the first generation copy usually sounds better than the origional. That is because the "pits" and "landings" are more defined in the burned copy, as compared to the rounded, and less defined "stamped" copy. 3.) I disagree with your statement that digital surpasses analog.. I have never, and I have heard very nice digital systems, but I have never heard digital surpass analog with everything being equal. Digitally mastered Lp's are not as enjoyable as analoge.. there is something missing in it (about 10x the information for one... ) Also, with 15 to 30 IPS R to R tape will blow away anything digital, as digital does not have the dynamics that analog does.. it does not have the presence. I have found digital to equal analog, but never surpass when all is equal. I would also like to respond to Kevin Fetner, who wrote: "withanalog high-end stuff so readily available at auctionfor a fraction of its original price, why not buy thatinstead of investing in digital? You should know verywell that the digital equipment made today is notgoing to last the test of time that old high-endanalog stuff has-the quality is just not there for theaverage audio hobby enthusiast." I disagree strongly. Old analog gear is far from being longer lasting than digital, acually possibly quite the opposite is true. How prone to breakdown, needing re-calibration, cleaning, etc. does analog grear need? Cartridges wear out, Naks are very sensitive and prone to failure... what about spare parts? Digital gear is just as well made (as long as your spending the same $$$), has way fewer parts to wear out and is much simplier to use. I am not putting digital over analog.. I myself preffer analog, but, digital is so close, and convienant, I like to use both. Also you wrote: "It doesn't help that the format warsbetween SACD and DVD-A are still raging" Kevin, the "war" between SACD and DVD-A ending along time ago... SACD won the battle, but they BOTH lost the war... SACD's are still being made by many record companies, and I don't think many if any DVD-A's are even being manufactured. and you wrote also: "CD-R's arenot proving to store well in a lot of circumstances" earlier yes, some discs did flake or crack with age. Now, their are discs that will last at least 100 years (one is the MFSL gold CD-R) there are very good CD-R's out now that will last 50 years or longer. I agree with your statements about records.. I listen to Lp's about 80% of the time.. but, I do find that usually the origional "first pressing" is better quality, more information than re-issues.. even ones from Classic Records or other top $$ re-issuers. All in all, I preffer analog, but, I also have respect for the prospects of digital, and just wanted to chime in. I really enjoy this site.. I haven't posted much here, just been a "lurker" for the past 2 years... I hope that my responses can be taken as not me stating "fact" but just a statement of what I have learned in my winding audio path... Everyone have a great day... Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From caldwell at bevcomm.net Tue Jan 15 13:46:15 2008 From: caldwell at bevcomm.net (The Caldwell's) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:46:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? References: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell> I also have this problem with both discs from the first Marathon tape project. Mine have been stored in the dark the whole time. I tried ripping them in EAC - nothing but massive amounts of synch errors. Mine have gotten so bad that I won't listen to them. Probably will throw them away. Is there any way to get replacements? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Johnson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? Did you store them in a dark place? Light exposure is a sure way to ruin burned CDs. NIST did a study of a variety of different types of dye based writeable DVDs and CDs. The results were not very good most of the of media dyes. For the longest life you want to get discs with Silver+Gold reflective layers and phthalocyanine dye. There is a study on going between NIST and the Library of Congress, but, I haven't seen any results yet. The NIST study is here. http://www.itl.nist.gov/iad/894.05/docs/StabilityStudy.pdf I have links to some archival grade CD media on my FAQ web page. I'm not sure if they are silver+gold phthalocyanine though. SJ TERRY FINN wrote: Hi All Happy New year to one and all. Has anybody, that has, The marathon Tape CD's (Vol 1 and 2) tried to play them recently?? I have , and they don't seem to! I've tried them on a variety of players young and old and although the players seem to read the TOC and the players play (discs rotate)... there is no output... except occasionally with a mid price sony player on certain tracks you get a distorted spluttering Last time I played them was around 18 months ago and they were fine then!!!! Before I dig any deeper perhaps, I could ask you guys to check your copies Mine are Circa Jan 2004 Set No's 060 and 061. Regards Terry ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Tue Jan 15 13:48:50 2008 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:48:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) (Kevin Fetner) In-Reply-To: <20080115082701.XPQE21070.fep24.mail.dk@smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl> References: <20080115082701.XPQE21070.fep24.mail.dk@smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:19:03 -0800, RICHARD FIne wrote: .. >I would also like to respond to Kevin Fetner, who wrote: > >"withanalog high-end stuff so readily available at auctionfor a fraction of its original price, why not buy thatinstead of investing in digital? You should know verywell that the digital equipment made today is notgoing to last the test of time that old high-endanalog stuff has-the quality is just not there for theaverage audio hobby enthusiast." > >I disagree strongly. Old analog gear is far from being longer lasting than digital, acually possibly quite the opposite is true. >How prone to breakdown, needing re-calibration, cleaning, etc. does analog grear need? >Cartridges wear out, Naks are very sensitive and prone to failure... what about spare parts? >Digital gear is just as well made (as long as your spending the same $$$), has way fewer parts to wear out and is much simplier to use. >I am not putting digital over analog.. I myself preffer analog, but, digital is so close, and convienant, I like to use both. I disagree with you, and I have not read all of Kevin post to which you disagree, but in defence of analog gear I will say that the force is with the analog gear, - most of the analog gear of age need no special ICs that are unobtainium. or IC that need a microcode developed especially for that device. - most analog gear can be repaired electronically if anything the choice of components by the home owner who wants to keep something alive is usually plenty. - little analog equipment operate on the border of the physics involved and when there is a component that was chosen uncautiously they can usually be substituted with ditto of higher quality and endurance. - most analog gear was meant to be repaired for a certain amount of years and was made to hold out for about that time length at least in more than general cases of ownership. And most of these units can still be repaired electronically and mechanically today as they are rather stable platforms to work on. Most of the cheap gear of the past is slowly getting out of use and the enthusiasts are flocking on The Great Ones of the past. The ones that were either simple enough to be simple to keep up, or which just turned out to be more resilient to most failures. Service Manuals actually did something good back then. Comparing digital gear in that sense I find that - Digital gear does rely an awful lot on ICs only some of which may have directly compantible counterparts in the future. Perhaps a daughter board is a solution but not all digital equipment lends itself to adding something buky instead of what was meant to be there. - Digital gear is mostly cheap made just as its analog counterparts but the mehcnical design are much more flimsy as most digital equipment has been made in the age of plastic front, enclosure, knobs, some equipment has brittling plastic instead of rubber for feet. The quality of the parts is falling still. I have personally been trying to give consumers a good service when I saw laptops shipped with keys that were getting the lettering worn off the keys in 3 months due to normal acid on the fingers as the keys were laserprinted and spent too little time in the laser printer! it took the factory a long time to place the blame on the supplier, but really they were themselves at fault thinking cutting cost to use something cheaper would not have implications. - Digital equipment is always at the hand of those who push it to its limit, how about digital player that slow down responses to button clicks to an aching ly poor response and display update time just because th user choose to decode a high bitstream? There is nothing to repair unless you can over clock the device without introducing at least a million other anomalies as eveything in the devices is tied to the frequency of the present oscillator. - The equipment was not all made to be serviced by someone dedicated, there is a limit to what is considered feasible repairs and today many consumers suffer their newly bought things being sent off for 'repair' when all that happens is that the distributor is trying to get units to sell, not units to swap and it takes ages to do so. And where the customer could have gotten a new replacement in the shop the shops and distributors operate on a scheme that does not allow for this. In older times there was enough margin in all distribution and sales links to allow for some conduite, since when the local shop handled your problem, every brand has developed a concept called Customer Care or Customer Service. Which are exactly the opposite, they tell what you cannot do today, because it would be more expensive than paying minimal wages to someone in India to take your call and say no to you. Good for India where the Care and Service is going and good for Taiwan which is making more units than ever, with China getting along quite nicely too. I use digital medias and devices for exactly their good current properties: they are relatively inexpensive, rugged to a point when carefully handled (less so when prerecorded media is involved) and very convenient in use. For long term use I plan to keep my analog medias and equipment running, and in doing so I am faced with the ability to replace most all analog components except for equipment with early The USB turntable. Is good for just one thing. Unconditionally transferring analog sound into the digital domain. Does anymore here own such in order to transfer the interesting vinyl and then dump the vinyl? Hell yes. The USB turntable is not the device on which most listening of vinyl occurs, the current USB turntables are meant to transfer the sound. Perhaps in 20 yewars we can have audiophile models that make the signal digital but not nesecarily just for making digital copies of the sound. I like it when new technologies emerge, if the consumer has an ability to choose witout burning bridges. But honestly when was the last time you saw a consumer DAT device for sale? Or a DCC deck? How many years until there is no support for legacy MiniDisc in new devices? it you put all your eggs in the digital basket you may find that getitng them out of the basket is not that easy. unless you're power user or have deep pockets, or can afford to wave bye bye to sounds of the past, make a list of esseital soudn you want again, and keep buying them on new medias. This is another way of saying you will not pend time resurrecting the past equipment and medias to arrive at an approximation of the past. But not everyone on an analog forum will give digital enough trust to put everything in the digital basket. Some time the incentive is that the old vinyl is fetching quite a bit on eBay so transferring it and having a CD seems a good option, but what about 20 years from now? How good will that decision of ditching old equipment and media seem after having made what in 20 years will be just a nice coaster with your handwriting "PF - DSOTM QUAD" barely visible from the glass that holds whatever beverage is good enough to make you forget your mistake? .. >and you wrote also: >"CD-R's arenot proving to store well in a lot of circumstances" > >earlier yes, some discs did flake or crack with age. Now, their are discs that will last at least 100 years (one is the MFSL gold CD-R) there are very good CD-R's out now that will last 50 years or longer. I don't trust any accelerated aging tests, and I would never advocate that discs that have not got 550 years on them will last that long with the information readable, already the discs are born with a CRC value for every other block and all players have the ability to calculate a percentage of lost or missing data, up to a point, as current copy protection schemes eat away at the margin for errors as the discs are manufactured with errors to make copying difficult at the cost of the projected amount of faults that can be handled on the fly when playing back the disc. The only test I will trust is my discs, my gear and my ears. >I agree with your statements about records.. I listen to Lp's about 80% of the time.. but, I do find that usually the origional "first pressing" is better quality, more information than re-issues.. even ones from Classic Records or other top $$ re-issuers. > >All in all, I preffer analog, but, I also have respect for the prospects of digital, and just wanted to chime in. Anyone can make a poor disc. With Digital you can make a disc that is poor in relation to how sturdy it is for errors, but the type of error can not be determined when you buy as equipment are not made for consumers that will tell the consumers when and how much error handling is going on when reading. Only repeated mechanical attempt for the laser unit to reread the disc surface will be noticable. Of course digital recording wo copy protection that are left on the recording medie or kept in pure form will stand a lot better chance, and if they are kept on hard drives they are on a magnetic carrier layer on a disc, if copied between two such hard drives every now and then the files will be kept readable all the time. But for storage in the home you rarely have the luxury of the digital climate controlled equivalent of a fully automated wine cellar. You are putting and awful lot of faith in the ability of the media and the gear to read and reproduce it when it comes to digital storage. Magnetic storage has been around since well before WWII, and those medias are still readable with some drop outs where repaired. Using a simple technology such as the now 25 yo CD, it is difficult to get past a read error that causes a loop in playback of an audio track and just skip the unreadable frames, as when you skip forward you lose 5-10 seconds. Our playback devices as of the present are not offering us the ability to playback damaged medias beyond the level that is handled automatically out of sight and out of mind, and by the time error counts are so high that reading errors appear it is too late to do anything about it, you need to use another copy, or use equipment specifically designed to read as much as can be read and then allow you to manipulat the data by ear to resemble what is supposed to be there. >I hope that my responses can be taken as not me stating "fact" but just a statement of what I have learned in my winding audio path... As you say "there are very good CD-R's out now that will last 50 years or longer" I for one would like to know wether you will recommend a brand and model of these discs at the risk of sounding a fact or wether you will modify that statement to be a bit more cautious with precious data. I would like to recommend using digital optical disc medias of any day for any short term use, where the benefits of digital medias offer no wear on the analog equivalent and enhance the abilty to use those sounds in environments where analog medias are not so practical. I would not recommend digital medias for storage, not until each media and its associated equipment is more trusty and will be able to tell the exact state of a media, not just when the media has developed unrecoverable errors. Otherwise we'll be talking esoteric means of salvage available to the few with insight and pocket. Well no matter if your vinyl got warped and your discs turned into coasters if you can't remember how the song goes then I am sure in 20 years this song can still be bought whatever current media and gear at the time: The Bright Side Of Life by Monty Python. And with any bad luck Analog Audio as we knew it has already been saved by a suicide mission. :) -Mikkel Oh I got a bit longwinded didn't I? ;) No fish slapping. No Knights who say NI to digital. But there was much rejoicing. From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Jan 15 15:15:16 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:15:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] USB Turntables, cassettes, etc .. And recording In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4F548543B0604EFC8646E658F491DA92@GrahamNPC> Forgive me if this too far OT. If one is to transfer from record or cassette into PC digital domain, how critical is it that the analogue o/p device is of a type that would, through an analogue amp and speakers produce real hi fi? T get high quality input into the PC, will one of those el-cheapo dedicated USB turntables do the job? Gra' From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 15 14:51:22 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:51:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control In-Reply-To: References: <7615961.1200264697364.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <478CBA5A.9090805@rcn.com> I have no idea, except to note that this is not a common fault. It would seem that 'something' is amiss in the control logic. To diagnose, I would resort to good old fashioned troubleshooting. I would disconnect the control motor (no sense in wearing it out), power the unit and measure the drive voltage to the motor. Then, I would measure back along the circuit path, to see why it's powered on constantly. To do this, you'll need the service manual or, at least, the schematic, neither of which I have. -- Ron Stephen Emerson wrote: > New to list, but certainly here with great respect for its knowledge and > tradition of community.... > > Wrestling with one of my two Naks for some time now -- the CR1a. > > I have disassembled, cleaned and lubed the cam motor and the motor is > working well, so I don't think that's the problem. (Earlier on, the > motor didn't work right either.) > > Here's what happens. > > --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor starts and > continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and down. Sometimes it > stops for a moment, then does it again. > > --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. Soon > as you turn on the deck. > > --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop and > then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel motor both > turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam motor continues > to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and down. > > --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount of > pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. > > I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the other leaf > switches. > > So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost seems > like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or known test > procedures. A bad processor IC might be terminal.... > > Many thanks, > Steve From greynlds at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 15:23:15 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:23:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] USB Turntables, cassettes, etc .. And recording In-Reply-To: <4F548543B0604EFC8646E658F491DA92@GrahamNPC> References: <4F548543B0604EFC8646E658F491DA92@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: On 1/15/08, Graham A Nelson wrote: > Forgive me if this too far OT. If one is to transfer from record or > cassette into PC digital domain, how critical is it that the analogue o/p > device is of a type that would, through an analogue amp and speakers produce > real hi fi? T get high quality input into the PC, will one of those > el-cheapo dedicated USB turntables do the job? IMO, those cheap USB turntables won't give a very good result. I just pipe the output of my phono preamp into the analog input on my RME sound card and get excellent results. I use Audacity to capture the audio. I suspect that doing the same even with a cheap sound card would give better results than one of the cheap USB turntables. -- Geoffrey Reynolds From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 15 15:31:40 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:31:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) (Kevin Fetner) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478CC3CC.4010504@rcn.com> RICHARD FIne wrote: > I would like to respond to a couple of responses to my post. In a round > about way, this is related to Nak machines... > > First, Ron: > > I disagree with many points of your responce. > > 1.) You stated "Very often human perception greatly depends on > pre-concieved ideas, on immaterial factors (such as the cost of the > equipment) and/or misleading visual clues. > Ron, usually, not always, quality of equipment is related to cost, I > agree that as cost goes up, the rate of return is less, but, it does > increase. That would be like saying there is no audible difference > between the Nak BX-1 and the Nak 1000ZXL Limited. > A high-end system done right, will blow you away. Very high resolution > will make the tinyest detail audible, and lifelike. Of course, quality of equipment is related to its price. This is exactly why the listener should not know what equipment is auditioned. The listener should judge the sound and the sound only, not what the he/she thinks the sound should be, based on price. > 2.) When I stated "I believe when digital is done correctly, not "Mass > produced" by stamping (I think alot of the quality is lost here)" > You answered "Actually, no. As long s the error code rate is within the > error correction capability of the digital format, stamping quality is > immaterial" > I dissagree again. Your statement may be true in "data" type material, > but not in audio. Once recorded, there is no intrinsic difference between data and audio. IOW the audio *is* a data stream - a list of numbers, to be exact. > Errors can be less than what your error correction > allows and still add to "jitter" which adds to audible distortion. Rick, that's BS. Please realize that jitter is a red herring used by the audio industry to intimidate suckers into parting with green bills. Also, 'jitter' is totally meaningless with respect to bits already recorded on a disc (which lead me to suspect you do not fully understand what jitter is). Jitter does not contribute to audio distortion until it is present at the DAC input, at which point, it has already been eliminated by the player circuitry (in any reasonable player costing $50 or more). Finally: if errors are less than what the error correction can handle, the result is pristine, error free bit stream. > It is common knowledge to most who burn alot of CD's to CD-R's that the > first generation copy usually sounds better than the origional. > That is > because the "pits" and "landings" are more defined in the burned copy, > as compared to the rounded, and less defined "stamped" copy. I disagree with the above, but this is not the place to go into this; and, yes, I do burn CDs. > 3.) I disagree with your statement that digital surpasses analog.. I > have never, and I have heard very nice digital systems, but I have never > heard digital surpass analog with everything being equal. I can't vouch for what you have heard. And obviously everything is *never* equal. > Digitally mastered Lp's are not as enjoyable as analoge.. there is > something missing in it (about 10x the information for one... ) Why do you think that information is missing in digital mastering? > Also, with 15 to 30 IPS R to R tape will blow away anything digital, as > digital does not have the dynamics that analog does. Not true in most cases. It would help if you could qualify your statement with some factual information. What 'digital'? What 15 ips tape recorder? What does 'blow away' really mean? (for example, CD S/N ratio is far superiour to any tape machine on earth). -- Ron > it does not have the presence. > I have found digital to equal analog, but never surpass when all is equal. > I would also like to respond to Kevin Fetner, who wrote: > > "with > analog high-end stuff so readily available at auction > for a fraction of its original price, why not buy that > instead of investing in digital? You should know very > well that the digital equipment made today is not > going to last the test of time that old high-end > analog stuff has-the quality is just not there for the > average audio hobby enthusiast." > > I disagree strongly. Old analog gear is far from being longer lasting > than digital, acually possibly quite the opposite is true. > How prone to breakdown, needing re-calibration, cleaning, etc. does > analog grear need? > Cartridges wear out, Naks are very sensitive and prone to failure... > what about spare parts? > Digital gear is just as well made (as long as your spending the same > $$$), has way fewer parts to wear out and is much simplier to use. > I am not putting digital over analog.. I myself preffer analog, but, > digital is so close, and convienant, I like to use both. > > Also you wrote: > "It doesn't help that the format wars > between SACD and DVD-A are still raging" > > Kevin, the "war" between SACD and DVD-A ending along time ago... SACD > won the battle, but they BOTH lost the war... SACD's are still being > made by many record companies, and I don't think many if any DVD-A's are > even being manufactured. > > and you wrote also: > "CD-R's are > not proving to store well in a lot of circumstances" > > earlier yes, some discs did flake or crack with age. Now, their are > discs that will last at least 100 years (one is the MFSL gold CD-R) > there are very good CD-R's out now that will last 50 years or longer. > > I agree with your statements about records.. I listen to Lp's about 80% > of the time.. but, I do find that usually the origional "first pressing" > is better quality, more information than re-issues.. even ones from > Classic Records or other top $$ re-issuers. > > All in all, I preffer analog, but, I also have respect for the prospects > of digital, and just wanted to chime in. > > I really enjoy this site.. I haven't posted much here, just been a > "lurker" for the past 2 years... > > I hope that my responses can be taken as not me stating "fact" but just > a statement of what I have learned in my winding audio path... > > Everyone have a great day... > > Rick > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 15 15:38:30 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:38:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? In-Reply-To: <005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell> References: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell> Message-ID: <478CC566.50404@rcn.com> Scott, If you send me two blank CDs with a SAE, I'll be happy to burn the two Marathon discs on them. -- Ron The Caldwell's wrote: > I also have this problem with both discs from the first Marathon tape > project. Mine have been stored in the dark the whole time. I tried > ripping them in EAC - nothing but massive amounts of synch errors. > Mine have gotten so bad that I won't listen to them. Probably will throw > them away. > > Is there any way to get replacements? > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Scott Johnson > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2008 7:00 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? > > Did you store them in a dark place? Light exposure is a sure way to > ruin burned CDs. > > NIST did a study of a variety of different types of dye based > writeable DVDs and CDs. The results were not very good most of the > of media dyes. For the longest life you want to get discs with > Silver+Gold reflective layers and phthalocyanine dye. There is a > study on going between NIST and the Library of Congress, but, I > haven't seen any results yet. The NIST study is here. > > http://www.itl.nist.gov/iad/894.05/docs/StabilityStudy.pdf > > I have links to some archival grade CD media on my FAQ web page. > I'm not sure if they are silver+gold phthalocyanine though. > > SJ > > */TERRY FINN /* wrote: > > > Hi All > > Happy New year to one and all. > > Has anybody, that has, The marathon Tape CD's (Vol 1 and 2) > tried to > play them recently?? > > I have , and they don't seem to! > > I've tried them on a variety of players young and old and > although the players seem to > read the TOC and the players play (discs rotate)... there is no > output... except occasionally with a mid price sony player on > certain tracks you get a distorted spluttering > > > Last time I played them was around 18 months ago and they were > fine then!!!! > > Before I dig any deeper perhaps, I could ask you guys to check > your copies > > Mine are Circa Jan 2004 Set No's 060 and 061. > > Regards > > Terry > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 15 15:44:56 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:44:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] USB Turntables, cassettes, etc .. And recording In-Reply-To: <4F548543B0604EFC8646E658F491DA92@GrahamNPC> References: <4F548543B0604EFC8646E658F491DA92@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <478CC6E8.9040901@rcn.com> Graham A Nelson wrote: > Forgive me if this too far OT. If one is to transfer from record or > cassette into PC digital domain, how critical is it that the analogue o/p > device is of a type that would, through an analogue amp and speakers produce > real hi fi? T get high quality input into the PC, will one of those > el-cheapo dedicated USB turntables do the job? > > Gra' Graham, The analog PB equipment determined the quality of the resulting digital copy. IOW, what you hear when you directly listen to this equipment is the best the digital copy will provide. I have never heard a $100 USB unit. Some people claim sonic quality is good, others stated that the unit is flimsy. I suspect that (best case) you get what you pay for. -- Ron From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Tue Jan 15 16:00:58 2008 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:00:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] USB Turntables, cassettes, etc .. And recording In-Reply-To: <20080115142439.JKWG4584.fep28.mail.dk@smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl> References: <20080115142439.JKWG4584.fep28.mail.dk@smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:15:16 -0000, "Graham A Nelson" wrote: >Forgive me if this too far OT. If one is to transfer from record or >cassette into PC digital domain, how critical is it that the analogue o/p >device is of a type that would, through an analogue amp and speakers produce >real hi fi? T get high quality input into the PC, will one of those >el-cheapo dedicated USB turntables do the job? If you did not select the playback device to deliver high-end sound through an amp and speaker combination that will let you enjoy such, then you get whatever sound the playback device is capable of giving, sampling it and hearing on a computer or on a homemade cdr will not make that sound sound better. The chance that el-cheapo dedicated devices will sound a million bucks with a computer and not a stereo capable of sounding off hifi sound is something to be seen. At the price of the USB turntable you are not going to get anything more than a rudimental needle that scratches the surface of the audio in your vinyl. (pun intended). Basically the USB Turntable device is a cheap device made as cheap as it can be unless they all break before the warrantyperiod is over. At the same price as a cheap turntable you not only get an RIAA filter but also a 16bit stereo DAC converter and a USB interface. Items you would only add on externally in the absence of an AMP to the RIAA decoding and perhaps a soundcard to improve over the one built into your computer, to get the sound from the amps tape rec connectors. So if you would pay X money for the Turntable with - Cartridge. - RIAA amp. - DAC. - USB interface. You should make sure ytou are getting value beyond a conventional turntable in cheap new form, or vintage after some lubing and going over. - Cartridge. - Separate RIAA converter or any older amp with RIAA built-in. - Soundcard. You will have greater flexibility using the seperates. If the all-in-one is cheaper than the sperates then you are asking an awful lot just for the convenience of fewer gadgets. A cheap turntable would need a lot of going over to be offering the same as a ditto turntable of the old days bought second hand and gone over. But you might not want to get dirty and pay for the priiledge of having something new regardless of how it sounds. For starters any lightweight turntable sould need a solid base, such as a slab of garden tile, marble or granite stone (from an installation or defunct grave). The stylus would need to be renewed and spending $75-100 on a stylus is perhaps sounding like a lot but compare that to the amount spent in the USB turntable you will use as the alternative, not many dollars are spent on that, Getting an older amp is no problem, most older amps still work very well. A used amp need not cost more than a good separate RIAA filter. It takes up more space though. Amps have switches that may have contact problems when selcting PHONO for recording andtapping that signal by TAPE REC(OUT), any relays with corrosion only affect the monitoring on the amp (speakers / headphone). As usually the PHONO sockets go to RIAA amp, to recording input selector, TAPE REC(OUT) which means just one switch to clean. You should not expect to get a decent soundcard for little money but you do not have to spend a lot to have a card that may be a lot better than your computers current on-board sound card. And when you're done transferring you can still use it to listen with. If you have parts for the project you will not need once you are done, which are likely to be still good enough to pass on to someone else looking to play the old vinyl to computer then why not buy some of some quality and recoup the extra money spent by selling them to someone else? With a new needle both the USB Turntable solution and the other, with a more conventional approach, will be just as viable a solution for someone you know as it has been to you given you are passing them on to someone who end up making the same choices you did about all-in-one versus seperates. The good thing is you already made the amp work and your investment could be as little as the cartridge/stylus you added. But essentially you are trying to get the best sound. - If you have a turntable or access to a turntable that is still working just use it. - If you already have an amp use it. - Get a new stylus for a mid-priced cartridge or get such a cartridge if whichever turntable you pick has not got such. you will have to see this as compromise, with you split th functions up you decide on the quality of each part, whe nyou buy all-in-one you are limited to that combination, unless the USB Turntable doesn't allow for most modern cartridges I would suggest looking into another model, go see thme in stores and decide wether an ew USB Turntable is too flimsy or bring an album you are familiar with to the store to give it the old listening test, you know from back when sound actually mattered and you shopped with your ears ;) -Mikkel From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 16:24:10 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:24:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Digital versus analogue In-Reply-To: <200801151102.m0FB136F031884@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <936909.30568.qm@web60513.mail.yahoo.com> Rick, First of all, I would like to disagree with your 'disagreements'.;-) "I disagree strongly. Old analog gear is far from being longer lasting than digital, acually possibly quite the opposite is true.How prone to breakdown, needing re-calibration, cleaning, etc. does analog grear need? Cartridges wear out, Naks are very sensitive and prone to failure... what about spare parts? Digital gear is just as well made (as long as your spending the same $$$), has way fewer parts to wear out and is much simplier to use. I am not putting digital over analog.. I myself preffer analog, but, digital is so close, and convienant, I like to use both." Most of the stuff you're taking about wearing out in analog equipment are 'perishables'. No smoke and mirrors there, everybody knew from the get-go that there would be maintenance; needles wear out, decks need service etc. What I'm telling you is that I've seen 'expensive' digital equipment fail internally at a rate higher than the high-end analog stuff ever did. Most probably it's getting better, but I'm doubtful that you'll see these units thirty yrs from now still running. It's a different design philosophy; build it cheaply now, because technology will change, the unit will be obsolete and replaced in five yrs. We live in a throw-away culture-that you can't deny. Do you honestly believe manufacturers will have spare parts for these digital 'marvels' even eight yrs from now?? "Kevin, the "war" between SACD and DVD-A ending along time ago... SACD won the battle, but they BOTH lost the war... SACD's are still being made by many record companies, and I don't think many if any DVD-A's are even being manufactured." I'm not aware of this; the articles I've read say the 'war' is still on, although it has ardent fans on both sides. "earlier yes, some discs did flake or crack with age. Now, their are discs that will last at least 100 years (one is the MFSL gold CD-R) there are very good CD-R's out now that will last 50 years or longer." Useful information, thank you, but it's no consolation to those who threw the master tapes away in favor of 'early' CD-R's. "I agree with your statements about records.. I listen to Lp's about 80% of the time.. but, I do find that usually the origional "first pressing" is better quality, more information than re-issues.. even ones from Classic Records or other top $$ re-issuers." The lacquered master pressing is everything and also how many records are produced from it. What is now exciting is that you can control all those variables, but it costs serious $. The prospect of being able to replace some of my original records with better quality pressing is exciting, however the price involved is depressing (pun intended).;-) To Graham: I am severely dyslexic and ADD. When I was young, I was just branded "lazy" and a "trouble maker" in school because few knew about the disorders. I compensated by a lot of 'alone time' growing up, taking things apart and fixing them-I was able to create and control my own world that way without critics. I also got into reading quite by accident (I hated it), but books took me to worlds & places not available in school. Your mind can compensate for almost anything, yes, I'm a firm believer in that. However, the disorders never go away, as you're always aware of them. I'm finding as I get older they are actually trying to take hold again and I struggle more. But I'm thankful for all my senses, good health, friends & family who love me and a life full of discovery. Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Jan 15 21:04:11 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:04:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] USB Turntables, cassettes, etc .. And recording In-Reply-To: <4F548543B0604EFC8646E658F491DA92@GrahamNPC> References: <4F548543B0604EFC8646E658F491DA92@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <478D11BB.1070304@xs4all.nl> Maybe a nice alternative if you have a good turntable is the Pro-Ject Phonobox II USB preamp. It is MM/MC so at least you can use your own turntable setup. Wouter Graham A Nelson wrote: > Forgive me if this too far OT. If one is to transfer from record or > cassette into PC digital domain, how critical is it that the analogue o/p > device is of a type that would, through an analogue amp and speakers produce > real hi fi? T get high quality input into the PC, will one of those > el-cheapo dedicated USB turntables do the job? > > Gra' > > From Sean.Crowell at ec.gc.ca Tue Jan 15 16:36:21 2008 From: Sean.Crowell at ec.gc.ca (Crowell,Sean [CIS]) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:36:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] USB Turntables, cassettes, etc .. And recording In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7947A2428A50F04D8136FA1617FA5DBE5DEB71@NCRX10.ncr.int.ec.gc.ca> Pro-Ject has just come out with a USB version of their very popular and well priced entry-level turntable, the Debut III. I own a non-USB version of this table and I've been nothing but happy with it. You can put a very nice cartridge on it (the one I currently use costs as much as the table itself) and get the same reproduction as many TT/cartridge combos costing a *lot* more. Cheers, Sean From tpfinn at btinternet.com Tue Jan 15 16:49:59 2008 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:49:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? References: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell> Message-ID: <009d01c8578e$48cfa740$0401a8c0@home> Hi Scott I didn't think I would be the only one! What number are yours? Don't think its down to storage as my second set had never been out of the original jiffy bag they came in and have the same problem. Shame, had some great tracks* on, anybody know if we can get copies?? Who did the original CD copies? T. ----- Original Message ----- From: The Caldwell's To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? I also have this problem with both discs from the first Marathon tape project. Mine have been stored in the dark the whole time. I tried ripping them in EAC - nothing but massive amounts of synch errors. Mine have gotten so bad that I won't listen to them. Probably will throw them away. Is there any way to get replacements? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Johnson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? Did you store them in a dark place? Light exposure is a sure way to ruin burned CDs. NIST did a study of a variety of different types of dye based writeable DVDs and CDs. The results were not very good most of the of media dyes. For the longest life you want to get discs with Silver+Gold reflective layers and phthalocyanine dye. There is a study on going between NIST and the Library of Congress, but, I haven't seen any results yet. The NIST study is here. http://www.itl.nist.gov/iad/894.05/docs/StabilityStudy.pdf I have links to some archival grade CD media on my FAQ web page. I'm not sure if they are silver+gold phthalocyanine though. SJ TERRY FINN wrote: Hi All Happy New year to one and all. Has anybody, that has, The marathon Tape CD's (Vol 1 and 2) tried to play them recently?? I have , and they don't seem to! I've tried them on a variety of players young and old and although the players seem to read the TOC and the players play (discs rotate)... there is no output... except occasionally with a mid price sony player on certain tracks you get a distorted spluttering Last time I played them was around 18 months ago and they were fine then!!!! Before I dig any deeper perhaps, I could ask you guys to check your copies Mine are Circa Jan 2004 Set No's 060 and 061. Regards Terry ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! 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Message-ID: <3D3D2E37-D581-442F-9B49-FB8A4AB7FDFB@thegreatbear.net> i know this is OT but it's interesting and worth reading.... http://www.digido.com/bob-katz/jitter.html adrian From benstratford at aol.co.uk Tue Jan 15 19:56:06 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:56:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: digital vs analogue In-Reply-To: References: <20080115082701.XPQE21070.fep24.mail.dk@smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <8CA25BF6AF5C78F-1278-ED8@WEBMAIL-MC04.sysops.aol.com> This detail is fascinating guys, but way over my head and hopefully others' unless I have the smallest brain here -?probably!.? Anyway, just wanted to say that regardless of the technology, I?get a real connection with tapes and the mechanicalness of the tape player that you can see working and moving, only a turntable comes near this connection.? CD's - Yawn. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Mikkel Breiler To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 1:48 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) (Kevin Fetner) On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:19:03 -0800, RICHARD FIne wrote: .. >I would also like to respond to Kevin Fetner, who wrote: > >"withanalog high-end stuff so readily available at auctionfor a fraction of its original price, why not buy thatinstead of investing in digital? You should know verywell that the digital equipment made today is notgoing to last the test of time that old high-endanalog stuff has-the quality is just not there for theaverage audio hobby enthusiast." > >I disagree strongly. Old analog gear is far from being longer lasting than digital, acually possibly quite the opposite is true. >How prone to breakdown, needing re-calibration, cleaning, etc. does analog grear need? >Cartridges wear out, Naks are very sensitive and prone to failure... what about spare parts? >Digital gear is just as well made (as long as your spending the same $$$), has way fewer parts to wear out and is much simplier to use. >I am not putting digital over analog.. I myself preffer analog, but, digital is so close, and convienant, I like to use both. I disagree with you, and I have not read all of Kevin post to which you disagree, but in defence of analog gear I will say that the force is with the analog gear, - most of the analog gear of age need no special ICs that are unobtainium. or IC that need a microcode developed especially for that device. - most analog gear can be repaired electronically if anything the choice of components by the home owner who wants to keep something alive is usually plenty. - little analog equipment operate on the border of the physics involved and when there is a component that was chosen uncautiously they can usually be substituted with ditto of higher quality and endurance. - most analog gear was meant to be repaired for a certain amount of years and was made to hold out for about that time length at least in more than general cases of ownership. And most of these units can still be repaired electronically and mechanically today as they are rather stable platforms to work on. Most of the cheap gear of the past is slowly getting out of use and the enthusiasts are flocking on The Great Ones of the past. The ones that were either simple enough to be simple to keep up, or which just turned out to be more resilient to most failures. Service Manuals actually did something good back then. Comparing digital gear in that sense I find that - Digital gear does rely an awful lot on ICs only some of which may have directly compantible counterparts in the future. Perhaps a daughter board is a solution but not all digital equipment lends itself to adding something buky instead of what was meant to be there. - Digital gear is mostly cheap made just as its analog counterparts but the mehcnical design are much more flimsy as most digital equipment has been made in the age of plastic front, enclosure, knobs, some equipment has brittling plastic instead of rubber for feet. The quality of the parts is falling still. I have personally been trying to give consumers a good service when I saw laptops shipped with keys that were getting the lettering worn off the keys in 3 months due to normal acid on the fingers as the keys were laserprinted and spent too little time in the laser printer! it took the factory a long time to place the blame on the supplier, but really they were themselves at fault thinking cutting cost to use something cheaper would not have implications. - Digital equipment is always at the hand of those who push it to its limit, how about digital player that slow down responses to button clicks to an aching ly poor response and display update time just because th user choose to decode a high bitstream? There is nothing to repair unless you can over clock the device without introducing at least a million other anomalies as eveything in the devices is tied to the frequency of the present oscillator. - The equipment was not all made to be serviced by someone dedicated, there is a limit to what is considered feasible repairs and today many consumers suffer their newly bought things being sent off for 'repair' when all that happens is that the distributor is trying to get units to sell, not units to swap and it takes ages to do so. And where the customer could have gotten a new replacement in the shop the shops and distributors operate on a scheme that does not allow for this. In older times there was enough margin in all distribution and sales links to allow for some conduite, since when the local shop handled your problem, every brand has developed a concept called Customer Care or Customer Service. Which are exactly the opposite, they tell what you cannot do today, because it would be more expensive than paying minimal wages to someone in India to take your call and say no to you. Good for India where the Care and Service is going and good for Taiwan which is making more units than ever, with China getting along quite nicely too. I use digital medias and devices for exactly their good current properties: they are relatively inexpensive, rugged to a point when carefully handled (less so when prerecorded media is involved) and very convenient in use. For long term use I plan to keep my analog medias and equipment running, and in doing so I am faced with the ability to replace most all analog components except for equipment with early The USB turntable. Is good for just one thing. Unconditionally transferring analog sound into the digital domain. Does anymore here own such in order to transfer the interesting vinyl and then dump the vinyl? Hell yes. The USB turntable is not the device on which most listening of vinyl occurs, the current USB turntables are meant to transfer the sound. Perhaps in 20 yewars we can have audiophile models that make the signal digital but not nesecarily just for making digital copies of the sound. I like it when new technologies emerge, if the consumer has an ability to choose witout burning bridges. But honestly when was the last time you saw a consumer DAT device for sale? Or a DCC deck? How many years until there is no support for legacy MiniDisc in new devices? it you put all your eggs in the digital basket you may find that getitng them out of the basket is not that easy. unless you're power user or have deep pockets, or can afford to wave bye bye to sounds of the past, make a list of esseital soudn you want again, and keep buying them on new medias. This is another way of saying you will not pend time resurrecting the past equipment and medias to arrive at an approximation of the past. But not everyone on an analog forum will give digital enough trust to put everything in the digital basket. Some time the incentive is that the old vinyl is fetching quite a bit on eBay so transferring it and having a CD seems a good option, but what about 20 years from now? How good will that decision of ditching old equipment and media seem after having made what in 20 years will be just a nice coaster with your handwriting "PF - DSOTM QUAD" barely visible from the glass that holds whatever beverage is good enough to make you forget your mistake? .. >and you wrote also: >"CD-R's arenot proving to store well in a lot of circumstances" > >earlier yes, some discs did flake or crack with age. Now, their are discs that will last at least 100 years (one is the MFSL gold CD-R) there are very good CD-R's out now that will last 50 years or longer. I don't trust any accelerated aging tests, and I would never advocate that discs that have not got 550 years on them will last that long with the information readable, already the discs are born with a CRC value for every other block and all players have the ability to calculate a percentage of lost or missing data, up to a point, as current copy protection schemes eat away at the margin for errors as the discs are manufactured with errors to make copying difficult at the cost of the projected amount of faults that can be handled on the fly when playing back the disc. The only test I will trust is my discs, my gear and my ears. >I agree with your statements about records.. I listen to Lp's about 80% of the time.. but, I do find that usually the origional "first pressing" is better quality, more information than re-issues.. even ones from Classic Records or other top $$ re-issuers. > >All in all, I preffer analog, but, I also have respect for the prospects of digital, and just wanted to chime in. Anyone can make a poor disc. With Digital you can make a disc that is poor in relation to how sturdy it is for errors, but the type of error can not be determined when you buy as equipment are not made for consumers that will tell the consumers when and how much error handling is going on when reading. Only repeated mechanical attempt for the laser unit to reread the disc surface will be noticable. Of course digital recording wo copy protection that are left on the recording medie or kept in pure form will stand a lot better chance, and if they are kept on hard drives they are on a magnetic carrier layer on a disc, if copied between two such hard drives every now and then the files will be kept readable all the time. But for storage in the home you rarely have the luxury of the digital climate controlled equivalent of a fully automated wine cellar. You are putting and awful lot of faith in the ability of the media and the gear to read and reproduce it when it comes to digital storage. Magnetic storage has been around since well before WWII, and those medias are still readable with some drop outs where repaired. Using a simple technology such as the now 25 yo CD, it is difficult to get past a read error that causes a loop in playback of an audio track and just skip the unreadable frames, as when you skip forward you lose 5-10 seconds. Our playback devices as of the present are not offering us the ability to playback damaged medias beyond the level that is handled automatically out of sight and out of mind, and by the time error counts are so high that reading errors appear it is too late to do anything about it, you need to use another copy, or use equipment specifically designed to read as much as can be read and then allow you to manipulat the data by ear to resemble what is supposed to be there. >I hope that my responses can be taken as not me stating "fact" but just a statement of what I have learned in my winding audio path... As you say "there are very good CD-R's out now that will last 50 years or longer" I for one would like to know wether you will recommend a brand and model of these discs at the risk of sounding a fact or wether you will modify that statement to be a bit more cautious with precious data. I would like to recommend using digital optical disc medias of any day for any short term use, where the benefits of digital medias offer no wear on the analog equivalent and enhance the abilty to use those sounds in environments where analog medias are not so practical. I would not recommend digital medias for storage, not until each media and its associated equipment is more trusty and will be able to tell the exact state of a media, not just when the media has developed unrecoverable errors. Otherwise we'll be talking esoteric means of salvage available to the few with insight and pocket. Well no matter if your vinyl got warped and your discs turned into coasters if you can't remember how the song goes then I am sure in 20 years this song can still be bought whatever current media and gear at the time: The Bright Side Of Life by Monty Python. 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URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Jan 15 20:23:33 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:23:33 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Message-ID: In a message dated 1/14/2008 4:53:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, emersn at sonic.net writes: --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor starts and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and down. Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again. --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. Soon as you turn on the deck. --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop and then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel motor both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam motor continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and down. --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount of pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the other leaf switches. So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or known test procedures. A bad processor IC might be terminal.... Hey Steve, Since it got worse after you rebuilt the motor, may I humbly suggest that you yourself did something wrong. Try to go over everything you did - maybe a bad solder connection or whatever. Also, make sure the leaf switches are clean. Several Naktalkers have their own methods for cleaning these switches and might like to share their suggestions with you. All the best. Jef **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Tue Jan 15 21:53:22 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:53:22 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: digital vs analogue (LP's) References: Message-ID: <005301c857b8$aad6ec30$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Rick, "I agree with your statements about records.. I listen to Lp's about 80% of the time.. but, I do find that usually the origional "first pressing" is better quality, more information than re-issues.. even ones from Classic Records or other top $$ re-issuers." Certainly it was always better to 'grab' a pressing very early in the press cycle, while the stampers were still fresh, as quality dropped with the increasing number of cycles and sometimes the stamps were used past their effective life. (The Engineers I knew back in NZ has massive record collections, virtually all comprised of the unlabelled or plain labelled LP's.. usually the first and second test pressings taken to check the new stamper). If 're-issues' were made using resurrected stamps, then I would agree, but in my experience this never happened as the original stamps were basically worn out , so they were always new for a reissue, taken off the original 'mother'. What I tended to find is that the vinyl quality dropped and record weight reduced quite noticeably during the 80's, and it is this that led to a degradation in sound quality rather than anything 'done' to the music. I would certainly disagree about the 'information' on LP's from top quality reissuer's... if I compare my original 'EMI' pressings from the 80's to say a recent reissue of the 'same' from Simply Vinyl, or one of the MFSL LP's... no contest.. the latter always wins, probably because more care has been taken through out the whole process... and that is another story. You could argue that that is due to mileage etc on the earlier LP's, but I never thrashed my LP's...virtually always copied straight to tape and used those for regualr listening.. reserving the LP's for special occassions :o). cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: RICHARD FIne To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) (Kevin Fetner) I would like to respond to a couple of responses to my post. In a round about way, this is related to Nak machines... First, Ron: I disagree with many points of your responce. 1.) You stated "Very often human perception greatly depends on pre-concieved ideas, on immaterial factors (such as the cost of the equipment) and/or misleading visual clues. Ron, usually, not always, quality of equipment is related to cost, I agree that as cost goes up, the rate of return is less, but, it does increase. That would be like saying there is no audible difference between the Nak BX-1 and the Nak 1000ZXL Limited. A high-end system done right, will blow you away. Very high resolution will make the tinyest detail audible, and lifelike. 2.) When I stated "I believe when digital is done correctly, not "Mass produced" by stamping (I think alot of the quality is lost here)" You answered "Actually, no. As long s the error code rate is within the error correction capability of the digital format, stamping quality is immaterial" I dissagree again. Your statement may be true in "data" type material, but not in audio. Errors can be less than what your error correction allows and still add to "jitter" which adds to audible distortion. It is common knowledge to most who burn alot of CD's to CD-R's that the first generation copy usually sounds better than the origional. That is because the "pits" and "landings" are more defined in the burned copy, as compared to the rounded, and less defined "stamped" copy. 3.) I disagree with your statement that digital surpasses analog.. I have never, and I have heard very nice digital systems, but I have never heard digital surpass analog with everything being equal. Digitally mastered Lp's are not as enjoyable as analoge.. there is something missing in it (about 10x the information for one... ) Also, with 15 to 30 IPS R to R tape will blow away anything digital, as digital does not have the dynamics that analog does.. it does not have the presence. I have found digital to equal analog, but never surpass when all is equal. I would also like to respond to Kevin Fetner, who wrote: "with analog high-end stuff so readily available at auction for a fraction of its original price, why not buy that instead of investing in digital? You should know very well that the digital equipment made today is not going to last the test of time that old high-end analog stuff has-the quality is just not there for the average audio hobby enthusiast." I disagree strongly. Old analog gear is far from being longer lasting than digital, acually possibly quite the opposite is true. How prone to breakdown, needing re-calibration, cleaning, etc. does analog grear need? Cartridges wear out, Naks are very sensitive and prone to failure... what about spare parts? Digital gear is just as well made (as long as your spending the same $$$), has way fewer parts to wear out and is much simplier to use. I am not putting digital over analog.. I myself preffer analog, but, digital is so close, and convienant, I like to use both. Also you wrote: "It doesn't help that the format wars between SACD and DVD-A are still raging" Kevin, the "war" between SACD and DVD-A ending along time ago... SACD won the battle, but they BOTH lost the war... SACD's are still being made by many record companies, and I don't think many if any DVD-A's are even being manufactured. and you wrote also: "CD-R's are not proving to store well in a lot of circumstances" earlier yes, some discs did flake or crack with age. Now, their are discs that will last at least 100 years (one is the MFSL gold CD-R) there are very good CD-R's out now that will last 50 years or longer. I agree with your statements about records.. I listen to Lp's about 80% of the time.. but, I do find that usually the origional "first pressing" is better quality, more information than re-issues.. even ones from Classic Records or other top $$ re-issuers. All in all, I preffer analog, but, I also have respect for the prospects of digital, and just wanted to chime in. I really enjoy this site.. I haven't posted much here, just been a "lurker" for the past 2 years... I hope that my responses can be taken as not me stating "fact" but just a statement of what I have learned in my winding audio path... Everyone have a great day... Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 00:21:18 2008 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:21:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? In-Reply-To: <478CC566.50404@rcn.com> Message-ID: <65084.18088.qm@web50003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Oh BTW thank you so much for taking the time to burn these for me as well, there great Ron lots of work went into this project Russ Ron wrote: Scott, If you send me two blank CDs with a SAE, I'll be happy to burn the two Marathon discs on them. -- Ron The Caldwell's wrote: > I also have this problem with both discs from the first Marathon tape > project. Mine have been stored in the dark the whole time. I tried > ripping them in EAC - nothing but massive amounts of synch errors. > Mine have gotten so bad that I won't listen to them. Probably will throw > them away. > > Is there any way to get replacements? > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Scott Johnson > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2008 7:00 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? > > Did you store them in a dark place? Light exposure is a sure way to > ruin burned CDs. > > NIST did a study of a variety of different types of dye based > writeable DVDs and CDs. The results were not very good most of the > of media dyes. For the longest life you want to get discs with > Silver+Gold reflective layers and phthalocyanine dye. There is a > study on going between NIST and the Library of Congress, but, I > haven't seen any results yet. The NIST study is here. > > http://www.itl.nist.gov/iad/894.05/docs/StabilityStudy.pdf > > I have links to some archival grade CD media on my FAQ web page. > I'm not sure if they are silver+gold phthalocyanine though. > > SJ > > */TERRY FINN /* wrote: > > > Hi All > > Happy New year to one and all. > > Has anybody, that has, The marathon Tape CD's (Vol 1 and 2) > tried to > play them recently?? > > I have , and they don't seem to! > > I've tried them on a variety of players young and old and > although the players seem to > read the TOC and the players play (discs rotate)... there is no > output... except occasionally with a mid price sony player on > certain tracks you get a distorted spluttering > > > Last time I played them was around 18 months ago and they were > fine then!!!! > > Before I dig any deeper perhaps, I could ask you guys to check > your copies > > Mine are Circa Jan 2004 Set No's 060 and 061. > > Regards > > Terry > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 00:25:34 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:25:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] USB Turntables, cassettes, etc .. And recording References: <7947A2428A50F04D8136FA1617FA5DBE5DEB71@NCRX10.ncr.int.ec.gc.ca> Message-ID: <002401c857cd$f0ea7ab0$3201a8c0@geoffwin2k> From: "Crowell,Sean [CIS]" > Pro-Ject has just come out with a USB version of their very popular and > well priced entry-level turntable, the Debut III. I own a non-USB > version of this table and I've been nothing but happy with it. You can > put a very nice cartridge on it (the one I currently use costs as much > as the table itself) and get the same reproduction as many TT/cartridge > combos costing a *lot* more. This appears to be an excellent option for someone who doesn't yet have a turntable but has some LP's that they want to convert to a digital audio format (wav, mp3, whatever). However, if the person already has a quality turntable, phono preamp, and computer using either the existing sound card in the computer or buying a quality sound card would be a much more cost effective option and would probably yield a superior result. The A/D converters in this ~$450 Pro-Ject turntable are likely to be a lot better than those in the el-cheapo USB turntables, but probably not as good as those in at least a good quality (anything from M-Audio, RME, Lynx, Creative X-Fi, etc.) sound card as the bulk of the cost is presumably going towards the turntable (~$350 for the non-USB version). An excellent sound card can be purchased for a few hundred bucks - definitely less than the cost of this turntable. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From bob31411 at msn.com Wed Jan 16 00:56:44 2008 From: bob31411 at msn.com (ROBERT CRABTREE) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:56:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project References: <200801121100.m0CB0KNx003313@zxe.naks.com><507375.2285.qm@web60514.mail.yahoo.com> <20080112200957.ODPI15951.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: Hi Folks, I have been a member of Naktalk for several months and have been only a lurker during that time. I have gained a lot of valuable info from naktalkers. Here is an audio switch that I use at home. >From www.mcmelectronics.com The item that I use has three versions. 3, 4 or 5 inputs. All have one output. Item numbers 50-6170 3 input 50-6175 4 input 50-6180 5 input Thanks. Bobby ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project Kevin, A rather nice gent named Scott Johnson designed, fabricated and sells his own products. If memory serves me correct, he has a remote for almost every Nak and every function. His philosophy, BUILD IT AND THEY WILL BUY. Here's one of his auctions on ebay. Don't forget to scroll down to the testimonials on the auction. You might recognize a few names. hahahahahaha http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Tape-Deck-Wireless-Remote-Receiver-RM-580_W0QQitemZ260201023312QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Here's his webpage with just a couple or few Nakamichi tips, how-to's, self-promoting his workpieces.... http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm Roland At 10:28 AM 1/12/2008, you wrote: You're kidding, right?? There is a member here who makes and SELLS remotes for Naks.... Kevin Message: 4 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:15:36 -0500 From: Roland Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: hahahaha, yeah, I second that. Gee, do we know anyone who has done remote stuff for Naks? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. 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URL: From emersn at sonic.net Wed Jan 16 01:46:11 2008 From: emersn at sonic.net (Stephen Emerson) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:46:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control In-Reply-To: <478CBA5A.9090805@rcn.com> References: <7615961.1200264697364.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <478CBA5A.9090805@rcn.com> Message-ID: <8FA1802E-0393-4205-80FD-D5275921D43D@sonic.net> Thanks to both Ron and Jeff. Agree on control logic. I don't have the schematic either. Further development: With the cam motor disconnected, it's now possible to get Fast Forward to work. But even then, the wrong buttons light up (mostly Pause and Play). The FF button never lights. Also with the cam motor disconnected, Rewind will work (but not light) -- but only briefly. Voltage flowing to the cam motor is a fairly consistent c. 6 volts. However, if I push together the two terminals of the middle leaf switch (in the cam-driven switch cluster), that voltage drops down to .5 volts. Jeff, conditions aren't that different from before servicing the motor. Multiple lights on the control switches were lit up then too. I could get the cam to turn a fraction of a turn by helping it with a screwdriver, but Play still failed. So I don't *think* I'm the culprit.... So far I've tested a few TO92 transistors that connect to either a logic gate or the terminals reaching the cam motor, all fine. Steve. On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Ron wrote: > > I have no idea, except to note that this is not > a common fault. It would seem that 'something' > is amiss in the control logic. > > To diagnose, I would resort to good old fashioned > troubleshooting. I would disconnect the control > motor (no sense in wearing it out), power the > unit and measure the drive voltage to the motor. > Then, I would measure back along the circuit path, > to see why it's powered on constantly. > > To do this, you'll need the service manual or, at > least, the schematic, neither of which I have. > > -- Ron > > > > > Stephen Emerson wrote: >> >> I have disassembled, cleaned and lubed the cam motor and the motor >> is working well, so I don't think that's the problem. (Earlier on, >> the motor didn't work right either.) >> Here's what happens. >> --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor >> starts and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and >> down. Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again. >> --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. >> Soon as you turn on the deck. >> --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop >> and then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel >> motor both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam >> motor continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and >> down. >> --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount >> of pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. >> I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the >> other leaf switches. >> So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost >> seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or >> known test procedures. A bad processor IC might be terminal.... From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 02:50:50 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:50:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) (Kevin Fetner) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <369819.43576.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rick, You mentioned that there are CD-R's that will last for 50 years. Can you explain what to look for when shopping? Thanks, Bob RICHARD FIne wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } I would like to respond to a couple of responses to my post. In a round about way, this is related to Nak machines... First, Ron: I disagree with many points of your responce. 1.) You stated "Very often human perception greatly depends on pre-concieved ideas, on immaterial factors (such as the cost of the equipment) and/or misleading visual clues. Ron, usually, not always, quality of equipment is related to cost, I agree that as cost goes up, the rate of return is less, but, it does increase. That would be like saying there is no audible difference between the Nak BX-1 and the Nak 1000ZXL Limited. A high-end system done right, will blow you away. Very high resolution will make the tinyest detail audible, and lifelike. 2.) When I stated "I believe when digital is done correctly, not "Mass produced" by stamping (I think alot of the quality is lost here)" You answered "Actually, no. As long s the error code rate is within the error correction capability of the digital format, stamping quality is immaterial" I dissagree again. Your statement may be true in "data" type material, but not in audio. Errors can be less than what your error correction allows and still add to "jitter" which adds to audible distortion. It is common knowledge to most who burn alot of CD's to CD-R's that the first generation copy usually sounds better than the origional. That is because the "pits" and "landings" are more defined in the burned copy, as compared to the rounded, and less defined "stamped" copy. 3.) I disagree with your statement that digital surpasses analog.. I have never, and I have heard very nice digital systems, but I have never heard digital surpass analog with everything being equal. Digitally mastered Lp's are not as enjoyable as analoge.. there is something missing in it (about 10x the information for one... ) Also, with 15 to 30 IPS R to R tape will blow away anything digital, as digital does not have the dynamics that analog does.. it does not have the presence. I have found digital to equal analog, but never surpass when all is equal. I would also like to respond to Kevin Fetner, who wrote: "with analog high-end stuff so readily available at auction for a fraction of its original price, why not buy that instead of investing in digital? You should know very well that the digital equipment made today is not going to last the test of time that old high-end analog stuff has-the quality is just not there for the average audio hobby enthusiast." I disagree strongly. Old analog gear is far from being longer lasting than digital, acually possibly quite the opposite is true. How prone to breakdown, needing re-calibration, cleaning, etc. does analog grear need? Cartridges wear out, Naks are very sensitive and prone to failure... what about spare parts? Digital gear is just as well made (as long as your spending the same $$$), has way fewer parts to wear out and is much simplier to use. I am not putting digital over analog.. I myself preffer analog, but, digital is so close, and convienant, I like to use both. Also you wrote: "It doesn't help that the format wars between SACD and DVD-A are still raging" Kevin, the "war" between SACD and DVD-A ending along time ago... SACD won the battle, but they BOTH lost the war... SACD's are still being made by many record companies, and I don't think many if any DVD-A's are even being manufactured. and you wrote also: "CD-R's are not proving to store well in a lot of circumstances" earlier yes, some discs did flake or crack with age. Now, their are discs that will last at least 100 years (one is the MFSL gold CD-R) there are very good CD-R's out now that will last 50 years or longer. I agree with your statements about records.. I listen to Lp's about 80% of the time.. but, I do find that usually the origional "first pressing" is better quality, more information than re-issues.. even ones from Classic Records or other top $$ re-issuers. All in all, I preffer analog, but, I also have respect for the prospects of digital, and just wanted to chime in. I really enjoy this site.. I haven't posted much here, just been a "lurker" for the past 2 years... I hope that my responses can be taken as not me stating "fact" but just a statement of what I have learned in my winding audio path... Everyone have a great day... Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Wed Jan 16 03:24:14 2008 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:24:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] USB Turntables, cassettes, etc .. And recording In-Reply-To: <478D11BB.1070304@xs4all.nl> References: <4F548543B0604EFC8646E658F491DA92@GrahamNPC> <478D11BB.1070304@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <478D6ACE.3020303@snet.net> Your Lenco mated to a USB box with a laptop next to it... hopefully playing an oddball 74 3/4 rpm shellac at the correct speed no less! If it ever happens be sure to take a pic and post me. Ed Wouter Heijke wrote: > Maybe a nice alternative if you have a good turntable is the Pro-Ject > Phonobox II USB preamp. > It is MM/MC so at least you can use your own turntable setup. > > Wouter > > Graham A Nelson wrote: > >> Forgive me if this too far OT. If one is to transfer from record or >> cassette into PC digital domain, how critical is it that the analogue >> o/p >> device is of a type that would, through an analogue amp and speakers >> produce >> real hi fi? T get high quality input into the PC, will one of those >> el-cheapo dedicated USB turntables do the job? >> Gra' >> >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From bgdickel at paradise.net.nz Wed Jan 16 06:16:53 2008 From: bgdickel at paradise.net.nz (Brett Dickel) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:16:53 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Sankyo transport belts for sale, BX, CR etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0JUQ00D4Z1D2G100@smtp4.clear.net.nz> Hi Jeff Do you have any of the belts left? I have a CR 7 so I guess it would need the tape tension belt as well Thanks Brett Dickel At 02:44 p.m. 10/01/2008, you wrote: >Hi Y'all, > >As of today, I have a small number of Sankyo transport belts for >sale left over from my search for good belts. > >There are 3 different belts used in the Sankyo transport Naks - >1. Single-capstan 2 head models - BX models (except BX-300), CR >1&2, Cassette Deck 2, DR 2&8, MR-2 >2. Direct drive 3 head decks - BX-300, MR-1, CR 4-5-7 >3. Belt driven 3 head decks - CR-3, Cassette Deck 1&1.5, DR-1-2-10 > >In addition, a tape tension belt is used for categories 2 & 3 above. > >I'm asking $8 per drive belt Paypal shipped anywhere in the world to >Naktalkers. >If you want a tape tension belt, add $3 for a total of $11 shipped anywhere. > >I've checked these belts for wow&flutter and they perform within >specs - below specs, in some cases. > >Thanks > >Jeff Whittier > > > > >---------- >Start the year off right. >Easy >ways to stay in shape in the new year. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Wed Jan 16 10:05:47 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:05:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control In-Reply-To: <8FA1802E-0393-4205-80FD-D5275921D43D@sonic.net> References: <7615961.1200264697364.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <478CBA5A.9090805@rcn.com> <8FA1802E-0393-4205-80FD-D5275921D43D@sonic.net> Message-ID: Hi Steve! You wrote: "With the cam motor disconnected, it's now possible to get Fast Forward to work. But even then, the wrong buttons light up (mostly Pause and Play). The FF button never lights. Also with the cam motor disconnected, Rewind will work (but not light) -- but only briefly." I have a CR-3 and a CR-4 and both of them do not have a light bulb for rewind and forward buttons, but I haven't seen a CR-1 so I am not sure about the bulbs. Please check if your's have got them. Secondly, on all of my Naks (CR-3,CR-4, Cassette Deck 1) the rewind only operates briefly if there is no cassette loaded, so I believe this is a normal behaviour which proves that by disconnecting the problematic part (cam motor) your deck starts behaving somewhat normally. So if the observations I made on my Naks are correct, then, you only have to worry about the cam motor problem and hopefully it should also fix the wrong buttons lighting up. Hope it helps! Nadeem > From: emersn at sonic.net> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:46:11 -0800> To: naktalk at naks.com> > Thanks to both Ron and Jeff. Agree on control logic. I don't have the > schematic either. Further development:> > With the cam motor disconnected, it's now possible to get Fast > Forward to work. But even then, the wrong buttons light up (mostly > Pause and Play). The FF button never lights.> > Also with the cam motor disconnected, Rewind will work (but not > light) -- but only briefly.> > Voltage flowing to the cam motor is a fairly consistent c. 6 volts. > However, if I push together the two terminals of the middle leaf > switch (in the cam-driven switch cluster), that voltage drops down > to .5 volts.> > Jeff, conditions aren't that different from before servicing the > motor. Multiple lights on the control switches were lit up then too. > I could get the cam to turn a fraction of a turn by helping it with a > screwdriver, but Play still failed. So I don't *think* I'm the > culprit....> > So far I've tested a few TO92 transistors that connect to either a > logic gate or the terminals reaching the cam motor, all fine.> > Steve.> > > On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Ron wrote:> > >> > I have no idea, except to note that this is not> > a common fault. It would seem that 'something'> > is amiss in the control logic.> >> > To diagnose, I would resort to good old fashioned> > troubleshooting. I would disconnect the control> > motor (no sense in wearing it out), power the> > unit and measure the drive voltage to the motor.> > Then, I would measure back along the circuit path,> > to see why it's powered on constantly.> >> > To do this, you'll need the service manual or, at> > least, the schematic, neither of which I have.> >> > -- Ron> >> >> >> >> > Stephen Emerson wrote:> >>> >> I have disassembled, cleaned and lubed the cam motor and the motor > >> is working well, so I don't think that's the problem. (Earlier on, > >> the motor didn't work right either.)> >> Here's what happens.> >> --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor > >> starts and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and > >> down. Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again.> >> --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. > >> Soon as you turn on the deck.> >> --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop > >> and then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel > >> motor both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam > >> motor continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and > >> down.> >> --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount > >> of pushing will get them to light up or do anything else.> >> I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the > >> other leaf switches.> >> So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost > >> seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or > >> known test procedures. A bad processor IC might be terminal....> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 16 14:24:09 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:24:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478E0579.4080404@rcn.com> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/14/2008 4:53:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > emersn at sonic.net writes: > > --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor starts > and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and down. > Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again. > > --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. > Soon as you turn on the deck. > > --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop and > then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel motor > both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam motor > continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and down. > > --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount of > pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. > > I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the other > leaf switches. > > So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost > seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or known > test procedures. A bad processor IC might be terminal.... > > Hey Steve, > > Since it got worse after you rebuilt the motor, may I humbly suggest > that you yourself did something wrong. Try to go over everything you > did - maybe a bad solder connection or whatever. Also, make sure the > leaf switches are clean. Several Naktalkers have their own methods for > cleaning these switches and might like to share their suggestions with you. > All the best. > > Jef Jeff, He said that the motor now does continually. Can you suggest a fault WITH THE MOTOR that would cause this to happen? -- Ron > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape > > in the new year. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 16 14:34:42 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:34:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) (Kevin Fetner) In-Reply-To: <369819.43576.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <369819.43576.qm@web82313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <478E07F2.4060006@rcn.com> You addressed Rick, but let me jump in. What you want to look for is a claim for 'Archival quality'. It will be on the box and in the specs and will often suggest the number of years the CD should last. Another clue will be the hefty price :-). -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > *Rick, You mentioned that there are CD-R's that will last for 50 years. > Can you explain what to look for when shopping? Thanks, Bob* > > */RICHARD FIne /* wrote: > > I would like to respond to a couple of responses to my post. In a > round about way, this is related to Nak machines... > > First, Ron: > > I disagree with many points of your responce. > > 1.) You stated "Very often human perception greatly depends on > pre-concieved ideas, on immaterial factors (such as the cost of the > equipment) and/or misleading visual clues. > Ron, usually, not always, quality of equipment is related to cost, I > agree that as cost goes up, the rate of return is less, but, it does > increase. That would be like saying there is no audible difference > between the Nak BX-1 and the Nak 1000ZXL Limited. > A high-end system done right, will blow you away. Very high > resolution will make the tinyest detail audible, and lifelike. > > 2.) When I stated "I believe when digital is done correctly, not > "Mass produced" by stamping (I think alot of the quality is lost here)" > You answered "Actually, no. As long s the error code rate is within > the error correction capability of the digital format, stamping > quality is immaterial" > I dissagree again. Your statement may be true in "data" type > material, but not in audio. Errors can be less than what your error > correction allows and still add to "jitter" which adds to audible > distortion. > It is common knowledge to most who burn alot of CD's to CD-R's that > the first generation copy usually sounds better than the origional. > That is because the "pits" and "landings" are more defined in the > burned copy, as compared to the rounded, and less defined "stamped" > copy. > > 3.) I disagree with your statement that digital surpasses analog.. > I have never, and I have heard very nice digital systems, but I have > never heard digital surpass analog with everything being equal. > Digitally mastered Lp's are not as enjoyable as analoge.. there is > something missing in it (about 10x the information for one... ) > Also, with 15 to 30 IPS R to R tape will blow away anything digital, > as digital does not have the dynamics that analog does.. it does not > have the presence. > I have found digital to equal analog, but never surpass when all is > equal. > > I would also like to respond to Kevin Fetner, who wrote: > > "with > analog high-end stuff so readily available at auction > for a fraction of its original price, why not buy that > instead of investing in digital? You should know very > well that the digital equipment made today is not > going to last the test of time that old high-end > analog stuff has-the quality is just not there for the > average audio hobby enthusiast." > > I disagree strongly. Old analog gear is far from being longer > lasting than digital, acually possibly quite the opposite is true. > How prone to breakdown, needing re-calibration, cleaning, etc. does > analog grear need? > Cartridges wear out, Naks are very sensitive and prone to failure... > what about spare parts? > Digital gear is just as well made (as long as your spending the same > $$$), has way fewer parts to wear out and is much simplier to use. > I am not putting digital over analog.. I myself preffer analog, but, > digital is so close, and convienant, I like to use both. > > Also you wrote: > "It doesn't help that the format wars > between SACD and DVD-A are still raging" > > Kevin, the "war" between SACD and DVD-A ending along time ago... > SACD won the battle, but they BOTH lost the war... SACD's are still > being made by many record companies, and I don't think many if any > DVD-A's are even being manufactured. > > and you wrote also: > "CD-R's are > not proving to store well in a lot of circumstances" > > earlier yes, some discs did flake or crack with age. Now, their are > discs that will last at least 100 years (one is the MFSL gold CD-R) > there are very good CD-R's out now that will last 50 years or longer. > > I agree with your statements about records.. I listen to Lp's about > 80% of the time.. but, I do find that usually the origional "first > pressing" is better quality, more information than re-issues.. even > ones from Classic Records or other top $$ re-issuers. > > All in all, I preffer analog, but, I also have respect for the > prospects of digital, and just wanted to chime in. > > I really enjoy this site.. I haven't posted much here, just been a > "lurker" for the past 2 years... > > I hope that my responses can be taken as not me stating "fact" but > just a statement of what I have learned in my winding audio path... > > Everyone have a great day... > > Rick From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 16 15:22:26 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:22:26 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Message-ID: <25962018.1200493346842.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Try cleaning the cam switch contacts. They are designed to work together, encoding the transports position so the micro knows when to unmute and operate the reel motor. STOP, PLAY, FF/RW, REC, PAUSE are the 5 states encoded by these 3 switches. Other combinations exist, but the micro will not have instructions on what to do, so it makes screwy combinations, like 2 lights lit, etc. I believe one of the 3 switches is corroded. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Stephen Emerson >Sent: Jan 15, 2008 6:46 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control > >Thanks to both Ron and Jeff. Agree on control logic. I don't have the >schematic either. Further development: > >With the cam motor disconnected, it's now possible to get Fast >Forward to work. But even then, the wrong buttons light up (mostly >Pause and Play). The FF button never lights. > >Also with the cam motor disconnected, Rewind will work (but not >light) -- but only briefly. > >Voltage flowing to the cam motor is a fairly consistent c. 6 volts. >However, if I push together the two terminals of the middle leaf >switch (in the cam-driven switch cluster), that voltage drops down >to .5 volts. > >Jeff, conditions aren't that different from before servicing the >motor. Multiple lights on the control switches were lit up then too. >I could get the cam to turn a fraction of a turn by helping it with a >screwdriver, but Play still failed. So I don't *think* I'm the >culprit.... > >So far I've tested a few TO92 transistors that connect to either a >logic gate or the terminals reaching the cam motor, all fine. > >Steve. > > >On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Ron wrote: > >> >> I have no idea, except to note that this is not >> a common fault. It would seem that 'something' >> is amiss in the control logic. >> >> To diagnose, I would resort to good old fashioned >> troubleshooting. I would disconnect the control >> motor (no sense in wearing it out), power the >> unit and measure the drive voltage to the motor. >> Then, I would measure back along the circuit path, >> to see why it's powered on constantly. >> >> To do this, you'll need the service manual or, at >> least, the schematic, neither of which I have. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> >> Stephen Emerson wrote: >>> >>> I have disassembled, cleaned and lubed the cam motor and the motor >>> is working well, so I don't think that's the problem. (Earlier on, >>> the motor didn't work right either.) >>> Here's what happens. >>> --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor >>> starts and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and >>> down. Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again. >>> --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. >>> Soon as you turn on the deck. >>> --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop >>> and then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel >>> motor both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam >>> motor continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and >>> down. >>> --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount >>> of pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. >>> I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the >>> other leaf switches. >>> So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost >>> seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or >>> known test procedures. A bad processor IC might be terminal.... > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From orders at pennysconstruction.com Wed Jan 16 15:42:42 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:42:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project References: <200801121100.m0CB0KNx003313@zxe.naks.com><507375.2285.qm@web60514.mail.yahoo.com><20080112200957.ODPI15951.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: This one here is 6 inputs, one output http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?product_id=50-5725&catalog_name=MCMProducts Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT CRABTREE To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project Hi Folks, I have been a member of Naktalk for several months and have been only a lurker during that time. I have gained a lot of valuable info from naktalkers. Here is an audio switch that I use at home. From www.mcmelectronics.com The item that I use has three versions. 3, 4 or 5 inputs. All have one output. Item numbers 50-6170 3 input 50-6175 4 input 50-6180 5 input Thanks. Bobby ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project Kevin, A rather nice gent named Scott Johnson designed, fabricated and sells his own products. If memory serves me correct, he has a remote for almost every Nak and every function. His philosophy, BUILD IT AND THEY WILL BUY. Here's one of his auctions on ebay. Don't forget to scroll down to the testimonials on the auction. You might recognize a few names. hahahahahaha http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Tape-Deck-Wireless-Remote-Receiver-RM-580_W0QQitemZ260201023312QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Here's his webpage with just a couple or few Nakamichi tips, how-to's, self-promoting his workpieces.... http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm Roland At 10:28 AM 1/12/2008, you wrote: You're kidding, right?? There is a member here who makes and SELLS remotes for Naks.... Kevin Message: 4 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:15:36 -0500 From: Roland Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: hahahaha, yeah, I second that. Gee, do we know anyone who has done remote stuff for Naks? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jan 16 17:19:20 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:19:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: References: <200801121100.m0CB0KNx003313@zxe.naks.com><507375.2285.qm@web60514.mail.yahoo.com><20080112200957.ODPI15951.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <478E2E88.6040003@rcn.com> Well, yea, this will work as a system switcher, but for tape decks it would only provide for either PB or REC selection, but not both. What you really want for tape decks is the ability to select both PB source and REC destination (including from deck to deck). -- Ron orders at pennysconstruction wrote: > This one here is 6 inputs, one output > http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?product_id=50-5725&catalog_name=MCMProducts > > Thanks Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* ROBERT CRABTREE > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:56 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project > > Hi Folks, > > I have been a member of Naktalk for several months and have been > only a lurker during that time. I have gained a lot of valuable info > from naktalkers. > Here is an audio switch that I use at home. > > From www.mcmelectronics.com > > The item that I use has three versions. 3, 4 or 5 inputs. All have > one output. > > Item numbers > > 50-6170 3 input > 50-6175 4 input > 50-6180 5 input > > Thanks. Bobby > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roland > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:09 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project > > Kevin, > > A rather nice gent named Scott Johnson designed, fabricated and > sells his own products. If memory serves me correct, he has a > remote for almost every Nak and every function. > > His philosophy, *BUILD IT AND THEY WILL BUY*. > > > > Here's one of his auctions on ebay. Don't forget to scroll down > to the testimonials on the auction. You might recognize a few > names. hahahahahaha > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Tape-Deck-Wireless-Remote-Receiver-RM-580_W0QQitemZ260201023312QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > > > Here's his webpage with just a couple or few Nakamichi tips, > how-to's, self-promoting his workpieces.... > > > http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm > > > > > > Roland > > > > > At 10:28 AM 1/12/2008, you wrote: >> You're kidding, right?? There is a member here who >> makes and SELLS remotes for Naks.... >> >> Kevin >> >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:15:36 -0500 >> From: Roland >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> Message-ID: >> >> hahahaha, yeah, I second that. >> >> Gee, do we know anyone who has done remote stuff for Naks? From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 19:43:44 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:43:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project Message-ID: <489093.87810.qm@web50510.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The Niles TSB-3 let's you route/dub, so you can send the input from 1 to 2 and 3 and the amp, or send 1 to 2 and 3 to amp and so on. Much more flexible. I am using two on an amp's two tape loops, so it adds 6 tape decks that can monitor any other or the amp's source inputs and the amp can monitor any one I choose. Now if niles could only make a bigger one:-) David --- orders at pennysconstruction wrote: > This one here is 6 inputs, one output > http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?product_id=50-5725&catalog_name=MCMProducts > Thanks Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ROBERT CRABTREE > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:56 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project > > > Hi Folks, > > I have been a member of Naktalk for several months > and have been only a lurker during that time. I have > gained a lot of valuable info from naktalkers. > Here is an audio switch that I use at home. > > From www.mcmelectronics.com > > The item that I use has three versions. 3, 4 or 5 > inputs. All have one output. > > Item numbers > > 50-6170 3 input > 50-6175 4 input > 50-6180 5 input > > Thanks. Bobby > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roland > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk] Audio > Switchers DIY Project > > > Kevin, > > A rather nice gent named Scott Johnson designed, > fabricated and sells his own products. If memory > serves me correct, he has a remote for almost every > Nak and every function. > > His philosophy, BUILD IT AND THEY WILL BUY. > > > > Here's one of his auctions on ebay. Don't > forget to scroll down to the testimonials on the > auction. You might recognize a few names. > hahahahahaha > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Tape-Deck-Wireless-Remote-Receiver-RM-580_W0QQitemZ260201023312QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > > > Here's his webpage with just a couple or few > Nakamichi tips, how-to's, self-promoting his > workpieces.... > > > http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm > > > > > > Roland > > > > > At 10:28 AM 1/12/2008, you wrote: > > You're kidding, right?? There is a member here > who > makes and SELLS remotes for Naks.... > > Kevin > > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:15:36 -0500 > From: Roland > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY > Project > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: > > hahahaha, yeah, I second that. > > Gee, do we know anyone who has done remote > stuff for Naks? > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home > page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 16 18:54:36 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:54:36 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] head track dimensions diagrams Message-ID: <11103806.1200506077119.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Does anyone have a reference for the Philips cassette track standard head measurements for mono and stereo heads? I am wondering if the stereo L+R edges are exactly the same as the mono track width. Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From emersn at sonic.net Wed Jan 16 21:00:54 2008 From: emersn at sonic.net (Stephen Emerson) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:00:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control In-Reply-To: <25962018.1200493346842.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <25962018.1200493346842.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0388F073-2716-484B-B98E-C582C316752D@sonic.net> Thanks, Tom (and Nadeem). What you say makes a lot of sense and it's good to understand better what those leaf switches do -- have been pretty unclear. I had cleaned those contacts with fine sandpaper and Deoxit. At this point all I can tell you is that when I bump the cam around so it closes a given switch, I do get continuity across the switch. Also they successfully open, so it's not like any are bent to stay closed. Further thoughts?? Nadeem, you're absolutely right about Rewind. Thx, Steve On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Try cleaning the cam switch contacts. They are designed to work > together, encoding the transports position so the micro knows when > to unmute and operate the reel motor. STOP, PLAY, FF/RW, REC, PAUSE > are the 5 states encoded by these 3 switches. Other combinations > exist, but the micro will not have instructions on what to do, so > it makes screwy combinations, like 2 lights lit, etc. I believe one > of the 3 switches is corroded. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Emerson >> Sent: Jan 15, 2008 6:46 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control >> >> Thanks to both Ron and Jeff. Agree on control logic. I don't have the >> schematic either. Further development: >> >> With the cam motor disconnected, it's now possible to get Fast >> Forward to work. But even then, the wrong buttons light up (mostly >> Pause and Play). The FF button never lights. >> >> Also with the cam motor disconnected, Rewind will work (but not >> light) -- but only briefly. >> >> Voltage flowing to the cam motor is a fairly consistent c. 6 volts. >> However, if I push together the two terminals of the middle leaf >> switch (in the cam-driven switch cluster), that voltage drops down >> to .5 volts. >> >> Jeff, conditions aren't that different from before servicing the >> motor. Multiple lights on the control switches were lit up then too. >> I could get the cam to turn a fraction of a turn by helping it with a >> screwdriver, but Play still failed. So I don't *think* I'm the >> culprit.... >> >> So far I've tested a few TO92 transistors that connect to either a >> logic gate or the terminals reaching the cam motor, all fine. >> >> Steve. >> >> >> On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Ron wrote: >> >>> >>> I have no idea, except to note that this is not >>> a common fault. It would seem that 'something' >>> is amiss in the control logic. >>> >>> To diagnose, I would resort to good old fashioned >>> troubleshooting. I would disconnect the control >>> motor (no sense in wearing it out), power the >>> unit and measure the drive voltage to the motor. >>> Then, I would measure back along the circuit path, >>> to see why it's powered on constantly. >>> >>> To do this, you'll need the service manual or, at >>> least, the schematic, neither of which I have. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Stephen Emerson wrote: >>>> >>>> I have disassembled, cleaned and lubed the cam motor and the motor >>>> is working well, so I don't think that's the problem. (Earlier on, >>>> the motor didn't work right either.) >>>> Here's what happens. >>>> --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor >>>> starts and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and >>>> down. Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again. >>>> --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. >>>> Soon as you turn on the deck. >>>> --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop >>>> and then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel >>>> motor both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam >>>> motor continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and >>>> down. >>>> --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount >>>> of pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. >>>> I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the >>>> other leaf switches. >>>> So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost >>>> seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or >>>> known test procedures. A bad processor IC might be terminal.... >> From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Jan 16 22:01:14 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:01:14 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Message-ID: In a message dated 1/16/2008 6:56:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: He said that the motor now does continually. Can you suggest a fault WITH THE MOTOR that would cause this to happen? Actually Ron, to me it's looking like the motor isn't the problem and rebuilding it as per your instructions didn't correct the problem. Jeff W **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stops playing with a certain amount of tape on the takeup reel In-Reply-To: <008501c85560$2636b500$72a41f00$@vanHoorn@t-online.de> References: <008501c85560$2636b500$72a41f00$@vanHoorn@t-online.de> Message-ID: <00ae01c8588a$f6898d40$e39ca7c0$@vanHoorn@t-online.de> Hi everybody, And thanks a lot for the help with my BX300. The DeOxit solution helped and it is back to playing! I put two pictures on the internet that show the reel motor. This looks a little different from the cam motor that was shown in another thread and actually the DeOxit is easier on the reel motor. You can probably clean it right at its place. There is a grey plastic shell around the motor. Underneath the plastic is a steel band. If you take the plastic cover off and move the steel a little you see: http://www.joergvanhoorn.de/Nakamichi/Nak_BX300_Reel_Motor_2.jpg and there is an opening on the top that you can use for spraying. If you look from the other side you see http://www.joergvanhoorn.de/Nakamichi/Nak_BX300_Reel_Motor_1.jpg Some of these holes are even visible when the motor is still mounted if you look at it from the front (after taking off the cover plate). You can spray through them. If you do it mounted you have to take precautions against excess DeOxit solution that might drip from the motor. For the Germans: since the original DeOxit is difficult to get over here in Germany (and it is VERY expensive – the D100 is about 45$ here compared to 17$ if you buy it at Caig’s )I used a local substitute called “Kontakt 60” from Conrad Elektronik. Worked fine for me. Thanks again for the support! Joerg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The part that breaks in the Hosiden switch is the tiniest chip of plastic. I looked at it under my microscope to evaluate glueing it back, however the area to glue is very tiny, and I doubt that would work. tom Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 17 01:28:29 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:28:29 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: head track dimensions diagrams Message-ID: <31585018.1200529709769.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -----Original Message----- >From: Tom Brucker >Sent: Jan 16, 2008 11:54 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: head track dimensions diagrams > >Does anyone have a reference for the Philips cassette track standard head measurements for mono and stereo heads? I am wondering if the stereo L+R edges are exactly the same as the mono track width. > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Jan 17 10:04:23 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:04:23 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: AW: [naktalk] Need help with a BX-300E. Stops playing with a certain amount of tape on the takeup reel] Message-ID: <478F1A17.3040001@xs4all.nl> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg_van_Hoorn?= Subject: AW: [naktalk] Need help with a BX-300E. Stops playing with a certain amount of tape on the takeup reel Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:58:44 +0100 Size: 11645 URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 14:51:23 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:51:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: digital vs analogue (Bob Naylor) (Kevin Fetner) In-Reply-To: <478E07F2.4060006@rcn.com> Message-ID: <156685.53394.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Ron! Bob Ron wrote: You addressed Rick, but let me jump in. What you want to look for is a claim for 'Archival quality'. It will be on the box and in the specs and will often suggest the number of years the CD should last. Another clue will be the hefty price :-). -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > *Rick, You mentioned that there are CD-R's that will last for 50 years. > Can you explain what to look for when shopping? Thanks, Bob* > > */RICHARD FIne /* wrote: > > I would like to respond to a couple of responses to my post. In a > round about way, this is related to Nak machines... > > First, Ron: > > I disagree with many points of your responce. > > 1.) You stated "Very often human perception greatly depends on > pre-concieved ideas, on immaterial factors (such as the cost of the > equipment) and/or misleading visual clues. > Ron, usually, not always, quality of equipment is related to cost, I > agree that as cost goes up, the rate of return is less, but, it does > increase. That would be like saying there is no audible difference > between the Nak BX-1 and the Nak 1000ZXL Limited. > A high-end system done right, will blow you away. Very high > resolution will make the tinyest detail audible, and lifelike. > > 2.) When I stated "I believe when digital is done correctly, not > "Mass produced" by stamping (I think alot of the quality is lost here)" > You answered "Actually, no. As long s the error code rate is within > the error correction capability of the digital format, stamping > quality is immaterial" > I dissagree again. Your statement may be true in "data" type > material, but not in audio. Errors can be less than what your error > correction allows and still add to "jitter" which adds to audible > distortion. > It is common knowledge to most who burn alot of CD's to CD-R's that > the first generation copy usually sounds better than the origional. > That is because the "pits" and "landings" are more defined in the > burned copy, as compared to the rounded, and less defined "stamped" > copy. > > 3.) I disagree with your statement that digital surpasses analog.. > I have never, and I have heard very nice digital systems, but I have > never heard digital surpass analog with everything being equal. > Digitally mastered Lp's are not as enjoyable as analoge.. there is > something missing in it (about 10x the information for one... ) > Also, with 15 to 30 IPS R to R tape will blow away anything digital, > as digital does not have the dynamics that analog does.. it does not > have the presence. > I have found digital to equal analog, but never surpass when all is > equal. > > I would also like to respond to Kevin Fetner, who wrote: > > "with > analog high-end stuff so readily available at auction > for a fraction of its original price, why not buy that > instead of investing in digital? You should know very > well that the digital equipment made today is not > going to last the test of time that old high-end > analog stuff has-the quality is just not there for the > average audio hobby enthusiast." > > I disagree strongly. Old analog gear is far from being longer > lasting than digital, acually possibly quite the opposite is true. > How prone to breakdown, needing re-calibration, cleaning, etc. does > analog grear need? > Cartridges wear out, Naks are very sensitive and prone to failure... > what about spare parts? > Digital gear is just as well made (as long as your spending the same > $$$), has way fewer parts to wear out and is much simplier to use. > I am not putting digital over analog.. I myself preffer analog, but, > digital is so close, and convienant, I like to use both. > > Also you wrote: > "It doesn't help that the format wars > between SACD and DVD-A are still raging" > > Kevin, the "war" between SACD and DVD-A ending along time ago... > SACD won the battle, but they BOTH lost the war... SACD's are still > being made by many record companies, and I don't think many if any > DVD-A's are even being manufactured. > > and you wrote also: > "CD-R's are > not proving to store well in a lot of circumstances" > > earlier yes, some discs did flake or crack with age. Now, their are > discs that will last at least 100 years (one is the MFSL gold CD-R) > there are very good CD-R's out now that will last 50 years or longer. > > I agree with your statements about records.. I listen to Lp's about > 80% of the time.. but, I do find that usually the origional "first > pressing" is better quality, more information than re-issues.. even > ones from Classic Records or other top $$ re-issuers. > > All in all, I preffer analog, but, I also have respect for the > prospects of digital, and just wanted to chime in. > > I really enjoy this site.. I haven't posted much here, just been a > "lurker" for the past 2 years... > > I hope that my responses can be taken as not me stating "fact" but > just a statement of what I have learned in my winding audio path... > > Everyone have a great day... > > Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 17 15:13:52 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:13:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control Pot In-Reply-To: <003501c85887$d4fc1a60$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <200801161100.m0GB0XoK032738@zxe.naks.com> <003501c85887$d4fc1a60$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <478F62A0.7030801@rcn.com> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hello all > I have a defective pitch control pot in my MR deck so while looking for > a substitute i came across a supplier willing to fabricate it based on > the existing sample i send. > The minimum order is 1000 units though .. so does this potentiometer > interest anybody else ? > > Thanks > Soumi You mean, the other 999 of us that own an MR1 with a bad pitch pot? :-) -- Ron From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 17 15:33:19 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:33:19 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control Pot Message-ID: <24090318.1200580399635.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Soumi, You would probably sell 100 within a year. The key is what the unit cost is. If the cost were $1 each, you would spend $1000. Sell 100 in a year for $10 and you would break even, sell for $20 and you would make money. I need 2 right now. Most of the MR1 decks need pitch controls! You might find a US eBay marketer like Fred or Dean that can reach the Nak community to share the up front investment, and you cover the rest of the world. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: soumitra at soumitrab.com >Sent: Jan 16, 2008 3:36 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control Pot > >Hello all >I have a defective pitch control pot in my MR deck so while looking for a >substitute i came across a supplier willing to fabricate it based on the >existing sample i send. >The minimum order is 1000 units though .. so does this potentiometer >interest anybody else ? > >Thanks >Soumi > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From jeff at eslabs.com Thu Jan 17 15:51:43 2008 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:51:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control References: <25962018.1200493346842.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0388F073-2716-484B-B98E-C582C316752D@sonic.net> Message-ID: <007a01c85918$7b8ffbe0$6a01a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> Hi Steve, If you had inadvertently reassembled the cam control motor 180 degrees out of phase or re-connected the wires backwards, then the motor is running in the wrong direction. Simply, switch the motor wires to change it's direction. If it fails again or you want to replace it with a better version, I have at a couple of thousand in stock. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ------------------------------------------------------- ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, include this e-mail within your reply. ------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Emerson To: Tom Brucker ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Thanks, Tom (and Nadeem). What you say makes a lot of sense and it's good to understand better what those leaf switches do -- have been pretty unclear. I had cleaned those contacts with fine sandpaper and Deoxit. At this point all I can tell you is that when I bump the cam around so it closes a given switch, I do get continuity across the switch. Also they successfully open, so it's not like any are bent to stay closed. Further thoughts?? Nadeem, you're absolutely right about Rewind. Thx, Steve On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Try cleaning the cam switch contacts. They are designed to work > together, encoding the transports position so the micro knows when > to unmute and operate the reel motor. STOP, PLAY, FF/RW, REC, PAUSE > are the 5 states encoded by these 3 switches. Other combinations > exist, but the micro will not have instructions on what to do, so > it makes screwy combinations, like 2 lights lit, etc. I believe one > of the 3 switches is corroded. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Emerson >> Sent: Jan 15, 2008 6:46 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control >> >> Thanks to both Ron and Jeff. Agree on control logic. I don't have the >> schematic either. Further development: >> >> With the cam motor disconnected, it's now possible to get Fast >> Forward to work. But even then, the wrong buttons light up (mostly >> Pause and Play). The FF button never lights. >> >> Also with the cam motor disconnected, Rewind will work (but not >> light) -- but only briefly. >> >> Voltage flowing to the cam motor is a fairly consistent c. 6 volts. >> However, if I push together the two terminals of the middle leaf >> switch (in the cam-driven switch cluster), that voltage drops down >> to .5 volts. >> >> Jeff, conditions aren't that different from before servicing the >> motor. Multiple lights on the control switches were lit up then too. >> I could get the cam to turn a fraction of a turn by helping it with a >> screwdriver, but Play still failed. So I don't *think* I'm the >> culprit.... >> >> So far I've tested a few TO92 transistors that connect to either a >> logic gate or the terminals reaching the cam motor, all fine. >> >> Steve. >> >> >> On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Ron wrote: >> >>> >>> I have no idea, except to note that this is not >>> a common fault. It would seem that 'something' >>> is amiss in the control logic. >>> >>> To diagnose, I would resort to good old fashioned >>> troubleshooting. I would disconnect the control >>> motor (no sense in wearing it out), power the >>> unit and measure the drive voltage to the motor. >>> Then, I would measure back along the circuit path, >>> to see why it's powered on constantly. >>> >>> To do this, you'll need the service manual or, at >>> least, the schematic, neither of which I have. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Stephen Emerson wrote: >>>> >>>> I have disassembled, cleaned and lubed the cam motor and the motor >>>> is working well, so I don't think that's the problem. (Earlier on, >>>> the motor didn't work right either.) >>>> Here's what happens. >>>> --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor >>>> starts and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and >>>> down. Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again. >>>> --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. >>>> Soon as you turn on the deck. >>>> --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop >>>> and then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel >>>> motor both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam >>>> motor continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and >>>> down. >>>> --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount >>>> of pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. >>>> I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the >>>> other leaf switches. >>>> So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost >>>> seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or >>>> known test procedures. A bad processor IC might be terminal.... >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orders at pennysconstruction.com Thu Jan 17 16:07:31 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:07:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project References: <200801121100.m0CB0KNx003313@zxe.naks.com><507375.2285.qm@web60514.mail.yahoo.com><20080112200957.ODPI15951.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> <478E2E88.6040003@rcn.com> Message-ID: <92658EC8477D43049DA47637843E231A@number2> Your right, and I was wondering about quality because it's not very expensive. I even got to thinking about having the audio inputs go to this unit, and the output go a 3 input switcher's input Then you could direct the audio signal to either of 3 recording sources. With that set up you could only do one input source at a time, and only record on one source at a time, with monitoring having to be done at the source, or at the destination. Not ideal, but better than me having to plug and unplug stuff all the time. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project > > Well, yea, this will work as a system switcher, but > for tape decks it would only provide for either PB > or REC selection, but not both. What you really want > for tape decks is the ability to select both PB source > and REC destination (including from deck to deck). > > -- Ron > > > > orders at pennysconstruction wrote: >> This one here is 6 inputs, one output >> http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?product_id=50-5725&catalog_name=MCMProducts >> >> Thanks Mike >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* ROBERT CRABTREE >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:56 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project >> >> Hi Folks, >> I have been a member of Naktalk for several months and have been >> only a lurker during that time. I have gained a lot of valuable info >> from naktalkers. >> Here is an audio switch that I use at home. >> From www.mcmelectronics.com >> The item that I use has three versions. 3, 4 or 5 inputs. All have >> one output. >> Item numbers >> 50-6170 3 input >> 50-6175 4 input >> 50-6180 5 input >> Thanks. Bobby >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Roland >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:09 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY >> Project >> >> Kevin, >> >> A rather nice gent named Scott Johnson designed, fabricated and >> sells his own products. If memory serves me correct, he has a >> remote for almost every Nak and every function. >> >> His philosophy, *BUILD IT AND THEY WILL BUY*. >> >> >> >> Here's one of his auctions on ebay. Don't forget to scroll down >> to the testimonials on the auction. You might recognize a few >> names. hahahahahaha >> >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Tape-Deck-Wireless-Remote-Receiver-RM-580_W0QQitemZ260201023312QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> >> >> >> >> Here's his webpage with just a couple or few Nakamichi tips, >> how-to's, self-promoting his workpieces.... >> >> >> http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> Roland >> >> >> >> >> At 10:28 AM 1/12/2008, you wrote: >>> You're kidding, right?? There is a member here who >>> makes and SELLS remotes for Naks.... >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:15:36 -0500 >>> From: Roland >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> hahahaha, yeah, I second that. >>> >>> Gee, do we know anyone who has done remote stuff for Naks? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 17 15:37:09 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:37:09 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping Message-ID: <28821757.1200580629079.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 17 16:15:19 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:15:19 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control Pot Message-ID: <10932934.1200582919846.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> We have an opportunity here everyone. Soumi is in India. India, if you search the web for electronic parts, has many companies that do short-run manufacturing. If we NakTalkers could set up a cooperative worldwide marketing network we could manufacture these obsolete parts! Check out Ben Stratford's professional eBay listing for Nakamichi capacitor kits! Jeff Galin, if you have invested thousands of $$ in Nak parts, and IF we find ways to manufacture new replacements, you are screwed. How about thinking about a win-win? Would it be possible to build an ESL preferred customer NakTalk parts outlet, identifying which parts you have ample supplies of? You could limit bulk sales and help the DIY. Parts like the RX 505 dolby switches, which you no longer have, could be copied in India, for example. Nakamichis will remain popular if we servicers can keep them running. Collecting will grow if parts expenses are reasonable. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Tom Brucker >Sent: Jan 17, 2008 8:33 AM >To: soumitra at soumitrab.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pitch Control Pot > >Soumi, You would probably sell 100 within a year. The key is what the unit cost is. If the cost were $1 each, you would spend $1000. Sell 100 in a year for $10 and you would break even, sell for $20 and you would make money. I need 2 right now. Most of the MR1 decks need pitch controls! You might find a US eBay marketer like Fred or Dean that can reach the Nak community to share the up front investment, and you cover the rest of the world. > >tom brucker > >-----Original Message----- >>From: soumitra at soumitrab.com >>Sent: Jan 16, 2008 3:36 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control Pot >> >>Hello all >>I have a defective pitch control pot in my MR deck so while looking for a >>substitute i came across a supplier willing to fabricate it based on the >>existing sample i send. >>The minimum order is 1000 units though .. so does this potentiometer >>interest anybody else ? >> >>Thanks >>Soumi >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 17 16:04:59 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:04:59 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Message-ID: <17192048.1200582299814.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 17:48:42 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:48:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping In-Reply-To: <28821757.1200580629079.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <899565.46606.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I see that some web sites that sell it mention that DeOxit can only be shipped ground, not air. David --- Tom Brucker wrote: Is shipping a chemical like DeOxit a big problem overseas? In the US all it needs is a paper inside labeling the chemical and any precautions. It is non-hazardous to ship in the US. I'd be happy to ship it so you don't have to pay $45 ! tom brucker ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 18:04:25 2008 From: iowa_hawk1 at yahoo.com (Larry Sachs) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:04:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control Pot In-Reply-To: <10932934.1200582919846.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <234213.20657.qm@web84110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is this pitch control pot the same as the one used in the BX-300? If so, would that not increase the anticipated demand. Larry Sachs Tom Brucker wrote: We have an opportunity here everyone. Soumi is in India. India, if you search the web for electronic parts, has many companies that do short-run manufacturing. If we NakTalkers could set up a cooperative worldwide marketing network we could manufacture these obsolete parts! Check out Ben Stratford's professional eBay listing for Nakamichi capacitor kits! Jeff Galin, if you have invested thousands of $$ in Nak parts, and IF we find ways to manufacture new replacements, you are screwed. How about thinking about a win-win? Would it be possible to build an ESL preferred customer NakTalk parts outlet, identifying which parts you have ample supplies of? You could limit bulk sales and help the DIY. Parts like the RX 505 dolby switches, which you no longer have, could be copied in India, for example. Nakamichis will remain popular if we servicers can keep them running. Collecting will grow if parts expenses are reasonable. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Tom Brucker >Sent: Jan 17, 2008 8:33 AM >To: soumitra at soumitrab.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Pitch Control Pot > >Soumi, You would probably sell 100 within a year. The key is what the unit cost is. If the cost were $1 each, you would spend $1000. Sell 100 in a year for $10 and you would break even, sell for $20 and you would make money. I need 2 right now. Most of the MR1 decks need pitch controls! You might find a US eBay marketer like Fred or Dean that can reach the Nak community to share the up front investment, and you cover the rest of the world. > >tom brucker > >-----Original Message----- >>From: soumitra at soumitrab.com >>Sent: Jan 16, 2008 3:36 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Pitch Control Pot >> >>Hello all >>I have a defective pitch control pot in my MR deck so while looking for a >>substitute i came across a supplier willing to fabricate it based on the >>existing sample i send. >>The minimum order is 1000 units though .. so does this potentiometer >>interest anybody else ? >> >>Thanks >>Soumi >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 17 18:21:49 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:21:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control In-Reply-To: <007a01c85918$7b8ffbe0$6a01a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> References: <25962018.1200493346842.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0388F073-2716-484B-B98E-C582C316752D@sonic.net> <007a01c85918$7b8ffbe0$6a01a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> Message-ID: <478F8EAD.9030206@rcn.com> Actually, I did experience a reverse running control motor. This was some time ago, but I vaguely remember that it stopped at the wrong places, not that it ran continuously. -- Ron jeff at eslabs.com wrote: > Hi Steve, > > If you had inadvertently reassembled the cam control motor 180 degrees > out of phase or re-connected the wires backwards, then the motor is > running in the wrong direction. Simply, switch the motor wires to > change it's direction. > > If it fails again or you want to replace it with a better version, I > have at a couple of thousand in stock. > > Sincerely, > Jeff Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! > *ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS* > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > > www.nakamichi.us > *------------------------------------------------------- > ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, > include this e-mail within your reply. > -------------------------------------------------------* > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Stephen Emerson > *To:* Tom Brucker ; Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:00 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control > > Thanks, Tom (and Nadeem). What you say makes a lot of sense and it's > good to understand better what those leaf switches do -- have been > pretty unclear. > > I had cleaned those contacts with fine sandpaper and Deoxit. At this > point all I can tell you is that when I bump the cam around so it > closes a given switch, I do get continuity across the switch. Also > they successfully open, so it's not like any are bent to stay closed. > > Further thoughts?? > > Nadeem, you're absolutely right about Rewind. > > Thx, > Steve > > On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > > > Try cleaning the cam switch contacts. They are designed to work > > together, encoding the transports position so the micro knows when > > to unmute and operate the reel motor. STOP, PLAY, FF/RW, REC, PAUSE > > are the 5 states encoded by these 3 switches. Other combinations > > exist, but the micro will not have instructions on what to do, so > > it makes screwy combinations, like 2 lights lit, etc. I believe one > > of the 3 switches is corroded. > > > > tom brucker > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Stephen Emerson > > >> Sent: Jan 15, 2008 6:46 PM > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control > >> > >> Thanks to both Ron and Jeff. Agree on control logic. I don't have the > >> schematic either. Further development: > >> > >> With the cam motor disconnected, it's now possible to get Fast > >> Forward to work. But even then, the wrong buttons light up (mostly > >> Pause and Play). The FF button never lights. > >> > >> Also with the cam motor disconnected, Rewind will work (but not > >> light) -- but only briefly. > >> > >> Voltage flowing to the cam motor is a fairly consistent c. 6 volts. > >> However, if I push together the two terminals of the middle leaf > >> switch (in the cam-driven switch cluster), that voltage drops down > >> to .5 volts. > >> > >> Jeff, conditions aren't that different from before servicing the > >> motor. Multiple lights on the control switches were lit up then too. > >> I could get the cam to turn a fraction of a turn by helping it with a > >> screwdriver, but Play still failed. So I don't *think* I'm the > >> culprit.... > >> > >> So far I've tested a few TO92 transistors that connect to either a > >> logic gate or the terminals reaching the cam motor, all fine. > >> > >> Steve. > >> > >> > >> On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Ron wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> I have no idea, except to note that this is not > >>> a common fault. It would seem that 'something' > >>> is amiss in the control logic. > >>> > >>> To diagnose, I would resort to good old fashioned > >>> troubleshooting. I would disconnect the control > >>> motor (no sense in wearing it out), power the > >>> unit and measure the drive voltage to the motor. > >>> Then, I would measure back along the circuit path, > >>> to see why it's powered on constantly. > >>> > >>> To do this, you'll need the service manual or, at > >>> least, the schematic, neither of which I have. > >>> > >>> -- Ron > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Stephen Emerson wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I have disassembled, cleaned and lubed the cam motor and the motor > >>>> is working well, so I don't think that's the problem. (Earlier on, > >>>> the motor didn't work right either.) > >>>> Here's what happens. > >>>> --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor > >>>> starts and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and > >>>> down. Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again. > >>>> --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. > >>>> Soon as you turn on the deck. > >>>> --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop > >>>> and then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel > >>>> motor both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam > >>>> motor continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and > >>>> down. > >>>> --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount > >>>> of pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. > >>>> I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the > >>>> other leaf switches. > >>>> So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost > >>>> seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or > >>>> known test procedures. A bad processor IC might be terminal.... > >> From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 17 18:28:05 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:28:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project In-Reply-To: <92658EC8477D43049DA47637843E231A@number2> References: <200801121100.m0CB0KNx003313@zxe.naks.com><507375.2285.qm@web60514.mail.yahoo.com><20080112200957.ODPI15951.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> <478E2E88.6040003@rcn.com> <92658EC8477D43049DA47637843E231A@number2> Message-ID: <478F9025.6000906@rcn.com> Judging from the picture, it consists of a double pole, 6 position switch mounted in a small box with 7 dual RCA jacks on the back. For this, the price isn't that low. Using a rotary switch for this application is not elegant, as the user may have to go through several positions when changing inputs and if any are active at the time, there will be annoying blips of sound. -- Ron orders at pennysconstruction wrote: > Your right, and I was wondering about quality because it's not very > expensive. > I even got to thinking about having the audio inputs go to this unit, > and the output go a 3 input switcher's input Then you could direct the > audio signal to either of 3 recording sources. With that set up you > could only do one input source at a time, and only record on one source > at a time, with monitoring having to be done at the source, or at the > destination. Not ideal, but better than me having to plug and unplug > stuff all the time. > Thanks Mike > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:19 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project > > >> >> Well, yea, this will work as a system switcher, but >> for tape decks it would only provide for either PB >> or REC selection, but not both. What you really want >> for tape decks is the ability to select both PB source >> and REC destination (including from deck to deck). >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> orders at pennysconstruction wrote: >>> This one here is 6 inputs, one output >>> http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?product_id=50-5725&catalog_name=MCMProducts >>> >>> >>> Thanks Mike >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* ROBERT CRABTREE >>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:56 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project >>> >>> Hi Folks, >>> I have been a member of Naktalk for several months and have been >>> only a lurker during that time. I have gained a lot of valuable info >>> from naktalkers. >>> Here is an audio switch that I use at home. >>> From www.mcmelectronics.com >>> The item that I use has three versions. 3, 4 or 5 inputs. All have >>> one output. >>> Item numbers >>> 50-6170 3 input >>> 50-6175 4 input >>> 50-6180 5 input >>> Thanks. Bobby >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Roland >>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:09 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY >>> Project >>> >>> Kevin, >>> >>> A rather nice gent named Scott Johnson designed, fabricated and >>> sells his own products. If memory serves me correct, he has a >>> remote for almost every Nak and every function. >>> >>> His philosophy, *BUILD IT AND THEY WILL BUY*. >>> >>> >>> >>> Here's one of his auctions on ebay. Don't forget to scroll down >>> to the testimonials on the auction. You might recognize a few >>> names. hahahahahaha >>> >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Tape-Deck-Wireless-Remote-Receiver-RM-580_W0QQitemZ260201023312QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Here's his webpage with just a couple or few Nakamichi tips, >>> how-to's, self-promoting his workpieces.... >>> >>> >>> http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Roland >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 10:28 AM 1/12/2008, you wrote: >>>> You're kidding, right?? There is a member here who >>>> makes and SELLS remotes for Naks.... >>>> >>>> Kevin >>>> >>>> >>>> Message: 4 >>>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:15:36 -0500 >>>> From: Roland >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >>>> Message-ID: >>>> >>>> hahahaha, yeah, I second that. >>>> >>>> Gee, do we know anyone who has done remote stuff for Naks? From emersn at sonic.net Thu Jan 17 19:50:04 2008 From: emersn at sonic.net (Stephen Emerson) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:50:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control In-Reply-To: <478F8EAD.9030206@rcn.com> References: <25962018.1200493346842.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0388F073-2716-484B-B98E-C582C316752D@sonic.net> <007a01c85918$7b8ffbe0$6a01a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> <478F8EAD.9030206@rcn.com> Message-ID: <6B5B1F96-CDBA-4CAE-9515-45BEA2104D99@sonic.net> Thanks to all 3 of you! Unfortunately, the leads are correct. When removing the motor, I left a snippet of each (one brown, one white) attached to the motor and reconnected accordingly. On the plus side, I reckon a guy could pick up another CR1a, sell this one off for parts, and come out ahead. But what fun would that be. Steve. On Jan 17, 2008, at 9:21 AM, Ron wrote: > > Actually, I did experience a reverse running > control motor. This was some time ago, but I > vaguely remember that it stopped at the wrong > places, not that it ran continuously. > > -- Ron > > > jeff at eslabs.com wrote: >> Hi Steve, >> If you had inadvertently reassembled the cam control motor 180 >> degrees out of phase or re-connected the wires backwards, then the >> motor is running in the wrong direction. Simply, switch the motor >> wires to change it's direction. If it fails again or you want to >> replace it with a better version, I have at a couple of thousand >> in stock. From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Thu Jan 17 19:58:23 2008 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:58:23 -0000 Subject: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping References: <899565.46606.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <016101c8593a$f098f370$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> I concurr with ur observation David BUT I think [cynically] that this is all about market price maintenance [US vs UK etc] than anything else e,g, the persons who have the UK franchises to sell Deoxit can ask £15+ gbp for a 142ml spray can whereas it is approx the same $ dollar price in the US. The 'air' restriction is to attempt to stop the UK etc people gaining access to that supply through US distributors & drawing sales from their UK etc distributors. That's my jaundiced view anyway in 'rip-off' UK Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "fripp_em" To: "Tom Brucker" ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:48 PM Subject: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping >I see that some web sites that sell it mention that > DeOxit can only be shipped ground, not air. > > David > --- Tom Brucker wrote: > > Is shipping a chemical like DeOxit a big problem > overseas? In the US all it needs is a paper inside > labeling the chemical and any precautions. It is > non-hazardous to ship in the US. I'd be happy to ship > it so you don't have to pay $45 ! > > tom brucker > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: > 16/01/2008 09:01 > > From jeff at eslabs.com Thu Jan 17 21:58:28 2008 From: jeff at eslabs.com (jeff at eslabs.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:58:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control References: <25962018.1200493346842.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0388F073-2716-484B-B98E-C582C316752D@sonic.net><007a01c85918$7b8ffbe0$6a01a8c0@SONYLAPTOP><478F8EAD.9030206@rcn.com> <6B5B1F96-CDBA-4CAE-9515-45BEA2104D99@sonic.net> Message-ID: <02c101c8594b$b73e45b0$6a01a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> Steve, Is it possible that you reassembled the motor backwards? Switch the wires anyway! You can hurt the machine. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Emerson To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Thanks to all 3 of you! Unfortunately, the leads are correct. When removing the motor, I left a snippet of each (one brown, one white) attached to the motor and reconnected accordingly. On the plus side, I reckon a guy could pick up another CR1a, sell this one off for parts, and come out ahead. But what fun would that be. Steve. On Jan 17, 2008, at 9:21 AM, Ron wrote: > > Actually, I did experience a reverse running > control motor. This was some time ago, but I > vaguely remember that it stopped at the wrong > places, not that it ran continuously. > > -- Ron > > > jeff at eslabs.com wrote: >> Hi Steve, >> If you had inadvertently reassembled the cam control motor 180 >> degrees out of phase or re-connected the wires backwards, then the >> motor is running in the wrong direction. Simply, switch the motor >> wires to change it's direction. If it fails again or you want to >> replace it with a better version, I have at a couple of thousand >> in stock. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The postage alone could be like 20$ and then customs wants its share and there is also a German VAT of 19% that is added to imported merchandise. This would only work out in big orders. Joerg Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von Tom Brucker Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2008 15:37 An: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Betreff: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping Is shipping a chemical like DeOxit a big problem overseas? In the US all it needs is a paper inside labeling the chemical and any precautions. It is non-hazardous to ship in the US. I'd be happy to ship it so you don't have to pay $45 ! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Jörg van Hoorn Sent: Jan 16, 2008 3:58 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: AW: [naktalk] Need help with a BX-300E. Stops playing with a certain amount of tape on the takeup reel Hi everybody, And thanks a lot for the help with my BX300. The DeOxit solution helped and it is back to playing! and there is an opening on the top that you can use for spraying. For the Germans: since the original DeOxit is difficult to get over here in Germany (and it is VERY expensive – the D100 is about 45$ here compared to 17$ if you buy it at Caig’s )I used a local substitute called “Kontakt 60” from Conrad Elektronik. Worked fine for me. Thanks again for the support! Joerg Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emersn at sonic.net Thu Jan 17 22:48:06 2008 From: emersn at sonic.net (Stephen Emerson) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:48:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control In-Reply-To: <02c101c8594b$b73e45b0$6a01a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> References: <25962018.1200493346842.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0388F073-2716-484B-B98E-C582C316752D@sonic.net><007a01c85918$7b8ffbe0$6a01a8c0@SONYLAPTOP><478F8EAD.9030206@rcn.com> <6B5B1F96-CDBA-4CAE-9515-45BEA2104D99@sonic.net> <02c101c8594b$b73e45b0$6a01a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> Message-ID: <00BDD505-4D50-4B9F-8AB9-3C3AA3568BB9@sonic.net> Thanks, Jeff. I'm not sure I understand the concept of backwards here. But I did mark the cap and the body and kept those marks together. And I don't think the brushes wandered. I have tried running the leads the other way, in any case. The cam motor keeps running when this is done -- same as the other way, although presumably the motor is running backwards. Steve. On Jan 17, 2008, at 12:58 PM, wrote: > Steve, > > Is it possible that you reassembled the motor backwards? Switch > the wires anyway! You can hurt the machine. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Emerson > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:50 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control > > Thanks to all 3 of you! Unfortunately, the leads are correct. When > removing the motor, I left a snippet of each (one brown, one white) > attached to the motor and reconnected accordingly. > > On the plus side, I reckon a guy could pick up another CR1a, sell > this one off for parts, and come out ahead. But what fun would that > be. > > Steve. > > > On Jan 17, 2008, at 9:21 AM, Ron wrote: > > > > > Actually, I did experience a reverse running > > control motor. This was some time ago, but I > > vaguely remember that it stopped at the wrong > > places, not that it ran continuously. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > jeff at eslabs.com wrote: > >> Hi Steve, > >> If you had inadvertently reassembled the cam control motor 180 > >> degrees out of phase or re-connected the wires backwards, then the > >> motor is running in the wrong direction. Simply, switch the motor > >> wires to change it's direction. If it fails again or you want to > >> replace it with a better version, I have at a couple of thousand > >> in stock. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From Steven.Hong at AIG.com Thu Jan 17 22:51:46 2008 From: Steven.Hong at AIG.com (Hong, Steven) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:51:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Need Owner's Manual for DR-3 Message-ID: <9329EF42789DB045814D4AA9256BF30F0571A5FF@XLIVPUB16bkup.aig.com> Well fellow Nak Fans, I have made an ebay impulse buy of a supposedly mint DR-3, and am anxiously awaiting its arrival next week. Perhaps not the pinnacle of Nak Technology, but it will have to do until my wife finishes graduate school, or, I luck out at a garage sale. However, I am now in need of an Owner's Manual. Can anyone send me a copy/scan, or point me in the right direction..?? Thanks, Steve p.s. I am a member on another forum dedicated to fans of vintage Carver equipment (please no snickers!), where we have developed a repository of scanned owner's and service manuals donated by our members. I think one of our senior listers has control over the repository, and will send scanned copies free to forum members in good standing with at least 25 posts, to deter the devious scam artists. Has this idea ever been suggested for this great forum..?? I was envisioning perhaps link buttons on the Nak Equipment List for say sales brochures, owner's manuals, service manuals by model....?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at stager.com Thu Jan 17 22:52:35 2008 From: marc at stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:52:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] head track dimensions diagrams Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20080117165227.0318b040@verizon.net> >From: Tom Brucker > >Does anyone have a reference for the Philips cassette track standard >head measurements >for mono and stereo heads? I am wondering if the stereo L+R edges >are exactly the same as the mono track width. Tom, this might help: http://www.marc.stager.com/sss/Formats.gif Marc Stager ) ) ) ) ) ) Stager Sound Systems, New York City http://marc.stager.com/ tel: 212-595-4065 fax: 212-595-4428 cel: 212-675-6000 From orders at pennysconstruction.com Fri Jan 18 02:42:49 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:42:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project References: <200801121100.m0CB0KNx003313@zxe.naks.com><507375.2285.qm@web60514.mail.yahoo.com><20080112200957.ODPI15951.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> <478E2E88.6040003@rcn.com><92658EC8477D43049DA47637843E231A@number2> <478F9025.6000906@rcn.com> Message-ID: <1C41A37864044BDEBDA5E9DF760533E2@number2> I see your point about switching past other contacts. I never gave that a thought. Just 6 positions for that money seemed kinda cheep. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project > > Judging from the picture, it consists of a > double pole, 6 position switch mounted in > a small box with 7 dual RCA jacks on the > back. For this, the price isn't that low. > > Using a rotary switch for this application > is not elegant, as the user may have to go > through several positions when changing > inputs and if any are active at the time, > there will be annoying blips of sound. > > -- Ron > > > orders at pennysconstruction wrote: >> Your right, and I was wondering about quality because it's not very >> expensive. >> I even got to thinking about having the audio inputs go to this unit, and >> the output go a 3 input switcher's input Then you could direct the audio >> signal to either of 3 recording sources. With that set up you could only >> do one input source at a time, and only record on one source at a time, >> with monitoring having to be done at the source, or at the destination. >> Not ideal, but better than me having to plug and unplug stuff all the >> time. >> Thanks Mike >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project >> >> >>> >>> Well, yea, this will work as a system switcher, but >>> for tape decks it would only provide for either PB >>> or REC selection, but not both. What you really want >>> for tape decks is the ability to select both PB source >>> and REC destination (including from deck to deck). >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> orders at pennysconstruction wrote: >>>> This one here is 6 inputs, one output >>>> http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?product_id=50-5725&catalog_name=MCMProducts >>>> >>>> Thanks Mike >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* ROBERT CRABTREE >>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:56 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project >>>> >>>> Hi Folks, >>>> I have been a member of Naktalk for several months and have been >>>> only a lurker during that time. I have gained a lot of valuable >>>> info >>>> from naktalkers. >>>> Here is an audio switch that I use at home. >>>> From www.mcmelectronics.com >>>> The item that I use has three versions. 3, 4 or 5 inputs. All have >>>> one output. >>>> Item numbers >>>> 50-6170 3 input >>>> 50-6175 4 input >>>> 50-6180 5 input >>>> Thanks. Bobby >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Roland >>>> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:09 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY >>>> Project >>>> >>>> Kevin, >>>> >>>> A rather nice gent named Scott Johnson designed, fabricated and >>>> sells his own products. If memory serves me correct, he has a >>>> remote for almost every Nak and every function. >>>> >>>> His philosophy, *BUILD IT AND THEY WILL BUY*. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Here's one of his auctions on ebay. Don't forget to scroll >>>> down >>>> to the testimonials on the auction. You might recognize a few >>>> names. hahahahahaha >>>> >>>> >>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Tape-Deck-Wireless-Remote-Receiver-RM-580_W0QQitemZ260201023312QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Here's his webpage with just a couple or few Nakamichi tips, >>>> how-to's, self-promoting his workpieces.... >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Roland >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At 10:28 AM 1/12/2008, you wrote: >>>>> You're kidding, right?? There is a member here who >>>>> makes and SELLS remotes for Naks.... >>>>> >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Message: 4 >>>>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:15:36 -0500 >>>>> From: Roland >>>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Switchers DIY Project >>>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>>> >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> >>>>> hahahaha, yeah, I second that. >>>>> >>>>> Gee, do we know anyone who has done remote stuff for Naks? > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jan 18 02:48:21 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:48:21 -0500 Subject: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping In-Reply-To: <016101c8593a$f098f370$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> References: <899565.46606.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <016101c8593a$f098f370$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <47900565.5040701@rcn.com> Far from me to repudiate cynicism, but I believe pressurized containers and dangerous liquids are prohibited due to safety considerations and are not limited to DeOxit. BTW, I buy a generic cleaner from AllElectronics, for about 7 bucks for a 12 oz. spray can. Seems to work as well as DeOxit, for a fraction of the cost. -- Ron ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: > I concurr with ur observation David BUT I think [cynically] that this is > all about market price maintenance [US vs UK etc] than anything else > e,g, the persons who have the UK franchises to sell Deoxit can ask £15+ > gbp for a 142ml spray can whereas it is approx the same $ dollar price > in the US. > The 'air' restriction is to attempt to stop the UK etc people gaining > access to that supply through US distributors & drawing sales from their > UK etc distributors. > > That's my jaundiced view anyway in 'rip-off' UK > > Dave > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "fripp_em" > To: "Tom Brucker" ; "Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks" > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping > > >> I see that some web sites that sell it mention that >> DeOxit can only be shipped ground, not air. >> >> David >> --- Tom Brucker wrote: >> >> Is shipping a chemical like DeOxit a big problem >> overseas? In the US all it needs is a paper inside >> labeling the chemical and any precautions. It is >> non-hazardous to ship in the US. I'd be happy to ship >> it so you don't have to pay $45 ! >> >> tom brucker From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jan 18 06:21:55 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:21:55 +0000 Subject: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping In-Reply-To: <016101c8593a$f098f370$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> References: <899565.46606.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <016101c8593a$f098f370$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: Hello Dave, If you live in UK...exist there "Servisol"...which will do the same that the US "DeOxit". Ta. Alex! > From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:58:23 +0000> > I concurr with ur observation David BUT I think [cynically] that this is all > about market price maintenance [US vs UK etc] than anything else e,g, the > persons who have the UK franchises to sell Deoxit can ask £15+ gbp for a > 142ml spray can whereas it is approx the same $ dollar price in the US.> The 'air' restriction is to attempt to stop the UK etc people gaining access > to that supply through US distributors & drawing sales from their UK etc > distributors.> > That's my jaundiced view anyway in 'rip-off' UK> > Dave> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fripp_em" > To: "Tom Brucker" ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks" > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:48 PM> Subject: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping> > > >I see that some web sites that sell it mention that> > DeOxit can only be shipped ground, not air.> >> > David> > --- Tom Brucker wrote:> >> > Is shipping a chemical like DeOxit a big problem> > overseas? In the US all it needs is a paper inside> > labeling the chemical and any precautions. It is> > non-hazardous to ship in the US. I'd be happy to ship> > it so you don't have to pay $45 !> >> > tom brucker> >> >> >> >> > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> > Never miss a thing. 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Jan 18 10:32:53 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:32:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Need Owner's Manual for DR-3 In-Reply-To: <9329EF42789DB045814D4AA9256BF30F0571A5FF@XLIVPUB16bkup.aig.com> References: <9329EF42789DB045814D4AA9256BF30F0571A5FF@XLIVPUB16bkup.aig.com> Message-ID: <47907245.3020904@xs4all.nl> Hi Steve, You can find it here: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents Wouter Hong, Steven wrote: > > Can anyone send me a copy/scan, or point me in the right direction..?? > > Thanks, Steve > From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Fri Jan 18 09:59:10 2008 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:59:10 -0000 Subject: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping References: <899565.46606.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com><016101c8593a$f098f370$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <003201c859b0$65806a90$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Alex I am [pretty] sure that your statement re Servisol will be correct BUT most of the time I am following recommendations & do not have the technical knowledge re these products to know if they will be as effective so I bought Deoxit. I have been extremely pleased with its results & have to pay [but abhor] the high prices we pay over here for most of our goods. Thanks for the tip. When the Deoxit runs out I will try Servisol or other local equivalent [switch cleaners]. I think Maplin sell one. Anyone vouch for it's effectiveness a la Deoxit [rules] ? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Cozac To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:21 AM Subject: RE: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping Hello Dave, If you live in UK...exist there "Servisol"...which will do the same that the US "DeOxit". Ta. Alex! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:58:23 +0000 > > I concurr with ur observation David BUT I think [cynically] that this is all > about market price maintenance [US vs UK etc] than anything else e,g, the > persons who have the UK franchises to sell Deoxit can ask £15+ gbp for a > 142ml spray can whereas it is approx the same $ dollar price in the US. > The 'air' restriction is to attempt to stop the UK etc people gaining access > to that supply through US distributors & drawing sales from their UK etc > distributors. > > That's my jaundiced view anyway in 'rip-off' UK > > Dave > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fripp_em" > To: "Tom Brucker" ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks" > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping > > > >I see that some web sites that sell it mention that > > DeOxit can only be shipped ground, not air. > > > > David > > --- Tom Brucker wrote: > > > > Is shipping a chemical like DeOxit a big problem > > overseas? In the US all it needs is a paper inside > > labeling the chemical and any precautions. It is > > non-hazardous to ship in the US. I'd be happy to ship > > it so you don't have to pay $45 ! > > > > tom brucker > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Never miss a thing. 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Alex! > From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:58:23 +0000 > > I concurr with ur observation David BUT I think [cynically] that this is all > about market price maintenance [US vs UK etc] than anything else e,g, the > persons who have the UK franchises to sell Deoxit can ask £15+ gbp for a > 142ml spray can whereas it is approx the same $ dollar price in the US. > The 'air' restriction is to attempt to stop the UK etc people gaining access > to that supply through US distributors & drawing sales from their UK etc > distributors. > > That's my jaundiced view anyway in 'rip-off' UK > > Dave > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fripp_em" > To: "Tom Brucker" ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks" > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping > > > >I see that some web sites that sell it mention that > > DeOxit can only be shipped ground, not air. > > > > David > > --- Tom Brucker wrote: > > > > Is shipping a chemical like DeOxit a big problem > > overseas? In the US all it needs is a paper inside > > labeling the chemical and any precautions. It is > > non-hazardous to ship in the US. I'd be happy to ship > > it so you don't have to pay $45 ! > > > > tom brucker > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Never miss a thing. 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From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shippingDate: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:59:10 +0000 Alex I am [pretty] sure that your statement re Servisol will be correct BUT most of the time I am following recommendations & do not have the technical knowledge re these products to know if they will be as effective so I bought Deoxit. I have been extremely pleased with its results & have to pay [but abhor] the high prices we pay over here for most of our goods. Thanks for the tip. When the Deoxit runs out I will try Servisol or other local equivalent [switch cleaners]. I think Maplin sell one. Anyone vouch for it's effectiveness a la Deoxit [rules] ? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Cozac To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:21 AM Subject: RE: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping Hello Dave, If you live in UK...exist there "Servisol"...which will do the same that the US "DeOxit". Ta. Alex! > From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:58:23 +0000> > I concurr with ur observation David BUT I think [cynically] that this is all > about market price maintenance [US vs UK etc] than anything else e,g, the > persons who have the UK franchises to sell Deoxit can ask £15+ gbp for a > 142ml spray can whereas it is approx the same $ dollar price in the US.> The 'air' restriction is to attempt to stop the UK etc people gaining access > to that supply through US distributors & drawing sales from their UK etc > distributors.> > That's my jaundiced view anyway in 'rip-off' UK> > Dave> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fripp_em" > To: "Tom Brucker" ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks" > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:48 PM> Subject: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping> > > >I see that some web sites that sell it mention that> > DeOxit can only be shipped ground, not air.> >> > David> > --- Tom Brucker wrote:> >> > Is shipping a chemical like DeOxit a big problem> > overseas? In the US all it needs is a paper inside> > labeling the chemical and any precautions. It is> > non-hazardous to ship in the US. I'd be happy to ship> > it so you don't have to pay $45 !> >> > tom brucker> >> >> >> >> > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> > Never miss a thing. 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URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Fri Jan 18 15:18:30 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:18:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! Message-ID: <4790B536.2080004@marrscommunications.com> Hello to the group, After much deliberation, I made the decision to have the Original Nakamichi OCO8096C belt manufactured. Production started this week. The selling price is yet to be determined. I noticed some recent conversation about belts posted here lately, and thought I would share this information. With the success of my belt for the Sankyo transport as "confirmed" by Dan Barham with his WOW/FLUTTER measurements posted here on Naktalk, this should "ease some minds" about my kits for the "Classic" transport. One VERY important specification I am proud of, and is in my contract with the manufacturer is "run out", ( the tolerance of the cross section throughout the total I.C. of the belt ) which is +/- 0.001%. Although I have NO, NONE, ZIP, complaints about he capstan belt I have been using in my Kits for the "Classic" transport in the past, I thought this might put the 8096C problem to bed. Thanks to all. Fred Marrs. From benstratford at aol.co.uk Fri Jan 18 19:56:03 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:56:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping In-Reply-To: <003201c859b0$65806a90$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> References: <899565.46606.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com><016101c8593a$f098f370$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> <003201c859b0$65806a90$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <8CA281AE8D7BFE7-1358-CB1@webmail-da20.sysops.aol.com> Hi Dave, I've tried maplin's switch cleaner and servisol which I think was from RS.  Prefer the servisol which was recommended to my by an audio tech guy. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 9:59 pm Subject: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping Alex   I am [pretty] sure that your statement re Servisol will be correct BUT most of the time I am following recommendations & do not have the technical knowledge re these products to know if they will be as effective so I bought Deoxit. I have been extremely pleased with its results & have to pay [but abhor] the high prices we pay over here for most of our goods.   Thanks for the tip. When the Deoxit runs out I will try Servisol or other local equivalent [switch cleaners]. I think Maplin sell one. Anyone vouch for it's effectiveness a la Deoxit [rules] ?   Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Cozac To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:21 AM Subject: RE: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping Hello Dave,   If you live in UK...exist there "Servisol"...which will do the same that the US "DeOxit".   Ta.   Alex! > From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:58:23 +0000 > > I concurr with ur observation David BUT I think [cynically] that this is all > about market price maintenance [US vs UK etc] than anything else e,g, the > persons who have the UK franchises to sell Deoxit can ask £15+ gbp for a > 142ml spray can whereas it is approx the same $ dollar price in the US. > The 'air' restriction is to attempt to stop the UK etc people gaining access > to that supply through US distributors & drawing sales from their UK etc > distributors. > > That's my jaundiced view anyway in 'rip-off' UK > > Dave > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fripp_em" > To: "Tom Brucker" ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks" > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping > > > >I see that some web sites that sell it mention that > > DeOxit can only be shipped ground, not air. > > > > David > > --- Tom Brucker wrote: > > > > Is shipping a chemical like DeOxit a big problem > > overseas? In the US all it needs is a paper inside > > labeling the chemical and any precautions. It is > > non-hazardous to ship in the US. I'd be happy to ship > > it so you don't have to pay $45 ! > > > > tom brucker > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Never miss a thing. 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jan 18 22:17:38 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?UTF-8?B?QW50b2luZSBEZXNjaMOqbmVz?=) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:17:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping In-Reply-To: <8CA281AE8D7BFE7-1358-CB1@webmail-da20.sysops.aol.com> References: <899565.46606.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com><016101c8593a$f098f370$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> <003201c859b0$65806a90$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> <8CA281AE8D7BFE7-1358-CB1@webmail-da20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47911772.1080104@yahoo.ca> I don't know if this has been said already but Cramolin Red is a similar thing to older DeoxIT products Just found this: http://www.pitt.edu/~szekeres/caigcram.htm There are about 5 names for both products and apparently are equivalents. Antoine benstratford at aol.co.uk a écrit : > Hi Dave, > I've tried maplin's switch cleaner and servisol which I think was from > RS. Prefer the servisol which was recommended to my by an audio tech guy. > Cheers, Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 9:59 pm > Subject: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping > > Alex > > I am [pretty] sure that your statement re Servisol will be correct BUT > most of the time I am following recommendations & do not have the > technical knowledge re these products to know if they will be as > effective so I bought Deoxit. > I have been extremely pleased with its results & have to pay [but > abhor] the high prices we pay over here for most of our goods. > > Thanks for the tip. When the Deoxit runs out I will try Servisol or > other local equivalent [switch cleaners]. > I think Maplin sell one. Anyone vouch for it's effectiveness a la > Deoxit [rules] ? > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Alex Cozac > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Friday, January 18, 2008 5:21 AM > *Subject:* RE: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping > > Hello Dave, > > If you live in UK...exist there "Servisol"...which will do the > same that the US "DeOxit". > > Ta. > > Alex! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping > > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:58:23 +0000 > > > > I concurr with ur observation David BUT I think [cynically] that > this is all > > about market price maintenance [US vs UK etc] than anything else > e,g, the > > persons who have the UK franchises to sell Deoxit can ask £15+ > gbp for a > > 142ml spray can whereas it is approx the same $ dollar price in > the US. > > The 'air' restriction is to attempt to stop the UK etc people > gaining access > > to that supply through US distributors & drawing sales from > their UK etc > > distributors. > > > > That's my jaundiced view anyway in 'rip-off' UK > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "fripp_em" > > > To: "Tom Brucker" >; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > > Decks" > > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:48 PM > > Subject: Re: AW: [naktalk] DeOxit overseas shipping > > > > > > >I see that some web sites that sell it mention that > > > DeOxit can only be shipped ground, not air. > > > > > > David > > > --- Tom Brucker > wrote: > > > > > > Is shipping a chemical like DeOxit a big problem > > > overseas? In the US all it needs is a paper inside > > > labeling the chemical and any precautions. It is > > > non-hazardous to ship in the US. I'd be happy to ship > > > it so you don't have to pay $45 ! > > > > > > tom brucker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Steven.Hong at AIG.com Sat Jan 19 00:08:43 2008 From: Steven.Hong at AIG.com (Hong, Steven) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:08:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] DR-3 Owners Manual and THANKS to this list Message-ID: <9329EF42789DB045814D4AA9256BF30F0571A60D@XLIVPUB16bkup.aig.com> Wouter > THANKS for directing a newbie to the archive of Nakamichi Service/Owner's Manuals, etc. I was totally unaware of this resource, as I didn't see a link from the Naks Home Page. Btw... this is a Grrreat Site with very knowledgeable members... I've learned a great deal so far in the short time I've been a member. My thanks especially to members Jeff W and Steve Ember who have provided a newbie with invaluable insights to various models' strengths and weaknesses, and the difference between the Classic versus Sankyo transports..!! Thanks again, Steve From Steven.Hong at AIG.com Sat Jan 19 00:20:05 2008 From: Steven.Hong at AIG.com (Hong, Steven) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:20:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape/CD Issue Message-ID: <9329EF42789DB045814D4AA9256BF30F0571A60F@XLIVPUB16bkup.aig.com> Okay, I'll bite... as a newbie to this list... What are the Marathon Tape CD's, and is possible to get a copy?? Steve Hi Scott I didn't think I would be the only one! What number are yours? Don't think its down to storage as my second set had never been out of the original jiffy bag they came in and have the same problem. Shame, had some great tracks* on, anybody know if we can get copies?? Who did the original CD copies? 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I am wondering if the stereo L+R edges >>are exactly the same as the mono track width. > >Tom, this might help: >http://www.marc.stager.com/sss/Formats.gif > >Marc Stager >) ) ) ) ) ) >Stager Sound Systems, >New York City >http://marc.stager.com/ >tel: 212-595-4065 >fax: 212-595-4428 >cel: 212-675-6000 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From musicpen at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 17:03:21 2008 From: musicpen at gmail.com (Bret Crane) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:03:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank Message-ID: <2dee89c50801190803j526af0cah1c079013866dee39@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have any "Recnt" and Real info. on Steve Sank,Talking Dog,Champlain Spkrs?He has some items ;to do for me,and the number on his "talking Dog" is 'no longer in service.Perhaps it is a change in area code or?Please contact me either at my email: musicpen at gmail.com or leave a message on my cell: 502-682-5648 that is a KY/Eastern Time zone area thanks,Bret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kh1 at khherrmann.de Sun Jan 20 01:06:16 2008 From: kh1 at khherrmann.de (Karl-Heinz Herrmann) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:06:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? In-Reply-To: <009d01c8578e$48cfa740$0401a8c0@home> References: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell> <009d01c8578e$48cfa740$0401a8c0@home> Message-ID: <20080120010616.555896af@blackbox.local.de> Hi, On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:49:59 -0000 "TERRY FINN" wrote: > I didn't think I would be the only one! What number are yours? > > Don't think its down to storage as my second set had never been out > of the original jiffy bag they came in and have the same problem. I just checked my to CD's -- number one is the original with that globes and glued label -- which is unreadable now, the drives (reader, burner, audio player) are not even recognising it as an audio CD (but CD was quite ok when I got it). The second one is already a copy -- If I remember correctly because my regular audio CD player couldn't handle the glued paper label on that one. This copy is still fine. So I'm also one CD down :-( Maybe the glued label does something to the CD over time? K.-H. From kjbleus at charter.net Sun Jan 20 16:12:18 2008 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:12:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? Message-ID: <002801c85b76$d9e52200$6401a8c0@Gandalf2006> Greetings NakTalkers & NakChatters, Regarding the original Marathon Tapes Project Mk I, that was a limited edition run, and now there no master discs to fall back upon to create duplicates once again. I did make an archived copy of the discs for myself, onto MFSL UltraDisc CD-Rs immediately upon receiving my MTP Mk I originals back in early 2004. The UltraDisc CD-Rs are made for long-term archiving of valuable digital data, currently in fine shape, and I expect those to retain full continuity into the future. A suggestion to all who have MTP Mk I original discs, you should back those up onto your desktop or external hard drive and then make duplicate copies of the music tracks onto reputable commercial brand CD-R blanks (Sony, Fuji, TDK, Maxell, Taiyo Yuden, etc.). Since the individual who did the mastering of cassette tracks to disc for us (Carlos Guzman) stated clearly that there should be no unauthorized duplication and redistribution of MTP music in digital format, due to potential copyright infringement issues, I suggest that you make the best with what you now have, and/or arrange to share copies of the Marathon Tapes music as it was always intended, as an analogue cassette recording. To my knowledge, there is no problem with duplicating on cassette tape and exchanging that between the less fortunate that do not have MTP Mk I or have experienced degradation of discs over the last few years time. Anyway, this music on cassette is simply awesome, and as we all should know, magnetic tape has been proven to outlast any digital disc format of recordable materials available for consumer use. My primary analogue copies of MTP Mk I is on Maxell MX-S and Metal Vertex, and those are sweet recordings, indeed. If anyone wishes a cassette copy of the original MTP, contact me directly and we'll work out an arrangement for music exchange. http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA kjbleusnak at lycos.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 5:00 AM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 59, Issue 20 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:06:16 +0100 From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <20080120010616.555896af at blackbox.local.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi, ---- original message --- On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:49:59 -0000 "TERRY FINN" wrote: > I didn't think I would be the only one! What number are yours? > > Don't think its down to storage as my second set had never been out > of the original jiffy bag they came in and have the same problem. I just checked my to CD's -- number one is the original with that globes and glued label -- which is unreadable now, the drives (reader, burner, audio player) are not even recognising it as an audio CD (but CD was quite ok when I got it). The second one is already a copy -- If I remember correctly because my regular audio CD player couldn't handle the glued paper label on that one. This copy is still fine. So I'm also one CD down :-( Maybe the glued label does something to the CD over time? K.-H. ----------------------------- End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 59, Issue 20 *************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Sun Jan 20 13:20:06 2008 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:20:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? References: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com><005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell><009d01c8578e$48cfa740$0401a8c0@home> <20080120010616.555896af@blackbox.local.de> Message-ID: <001001c85b5e$cb4354a0$0401a8c0@home> Globes and Glued Label same as mine! If I get a minute might strip off one of the labels and see what lies beneath!! In the meantime any body out there in the UK (or further) willing to send me a couple a copies for the cost of the disc and Postage? Or if you are stuck for that odd part or two I may just may have the right one gathering dust!!! Regards Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? > Hi, > > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:49:59 -0000 > "TERRY FINN" wrote: > > > I didn't think I would be the only one! What number are yours? > > > > Don't think its down to storage as my second set had never been out > > of the original jiffy bag they came in and have the same problem. > > > I just checked my to CD's -- number one is the original with that > globes and glued label -- which is unreadable now, the drives (reader, > burner, audio player) are not even recognising it as an audio CD (but > CD was quite ok when I got it). The second one is already a copy -- If I > remember correctly because my regular audio CD player couldn't handle > the glued paper label on that one. This copy is still fine. > > So I'm also one CD down :-( > > > > Maybe the glued label does something to the CD over time? > > > > K.-H. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: 19/01/08 18:37 > > From orders at pennysconstruction.com Sun Jan 20 16:17:39 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:17:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? References: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com><005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell><009d01c8578e$48cfa740$0401a8c0@home> <20080120010616.555896af@blackbox.local.de> Message-ID: I think I can help a little here. There have been several discussions on the internet about weather or not labels degrade the burned CDr or not. People are on both sides. I've run several 100 tests on CDr's and DVDr's. IMO it does not have to do with the label itself. This is the rules for burning blank media, and I type them over and over again. No matter what anybody tells you, if you want good burns follow these rules. 1) Good quality media. This is the most important part. The good media I put labels on is still in good shape, The best media is made in Japan, the few that are still being made. It costs a little more, but CDr's bought by the 100 are 35 cents each. There is no excuse not to use them. Taiyo Yuden IMO is the best, and many other people share this opinion. Verbatim makes great DVDr's. TY media is found branded with other names, Fuji for one, and in all cases the package says made in Japan. Fuji media that does not say made in Japan is not made by TY. 2) A good burner. This is the second most important part. I've had great success with Plextor drives, but the brands keep changing models, and sometimes re-badging other manufactures drives. Even Plextor did that, so there is no set rule for which one to use anymore. CDfreaks.com, videohelp.com, and doom9.net are the best places to check them out. 3) Burn slowly. I'm beginning to think this is more important than I did before. The more time you allow for the burn, the less data has to get burned in a second. That allows the laser to be more accurate (it is true), which in turn makes the disk easier to read. That's it. Buy the best media you can find, a good burner, and burn slow. You will have the best quality CDr's and DVDr's, that will last the longest. Storage is very similar to analog media, keep away from heat. That means sunlight too. No matter what they are stored in, heat is what affects the dye, and UV rays. Un-like analog, water ruins the labels and the printed covers, but does not affect the media itself. Maybe after a very long exposure, but CDr's and DVDr's soaked in a flood and cleaned with-in 2 weeks time show no signs of failure. Too cold has to be bad too, but I've never seem it happen. The top side (the one with the printing or label) is weaker then the burned side. The coating is thinner, and scratches easier. Audio CD format is a very poor design in the first place, there is no error correction, and no way to verify data built in to the disk (included on the disk). There are however ways to compress the audio, and have built in data to verify that the data is complete. You still use an outside program to check, but the files are on the disk itself. They way you can copy the data files over and over, each copy will be exactly the same (exactly) as long as you can verify the data. The compression is similar to MP3 but does not remove anything. The un-compressed audio is exactly the same as the original. This is done by combining the repeating patterns rather than removing some material. I brought that up, because you can make a copy of the original audio files, compress them, put in the check sums, and then pass those disks on to each other. Each person copies the disk, verifies the data, and sends the original on to the next person. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" To: Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? > Hi, > > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:49:59 -0000 > "TERRY FINN" wrote: > >> I didn't think I would be the only one! What number are yours? >> >> Don't think its down to storage as my second set had never been out >> of the original jiffy bag they came in and have the same problem. > > > I just checked my to CD's -- number one is the original with that > globes and glued label -- which is unreadable now, the drives (reader, > burner, audio player) are not even recognising it as an audio CD (but > CD was quite ok when I got it). The second one is already a copy -- If I > remember correctly because my regular audio CD player couldn't handle > the glued paper label on that one. This copy is still fine. > > So I'm also one CD down :-( > > > > Maybe the glued label does something to the CD over time? > > > > K.-H. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From boytchik1 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 20 17:39:54 2008 From: boytchik1 at hotmail.com (Gutte Neshome) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:39:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank In-Reply-To: <2dee89c50801190803j526af0cah1c079013866dee39@mail.gmail.com> References: <2dee89c50801190803j526af0cah1c079013866dee39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: i was told he died of AIDS. Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:03:21 -0500From: musicpen at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] Help!!Steve SankAnyone have any "Recnt" and Real info. on Steve Sank,Talking Dog,Champlain Spkrs?He has some items ;to do for me,and the number on his "talking Dog" is 'no longer in service.Perhaps it is a change in area code or?Please contact me either at my email: musicpen at gmail.com or leave a message on my cell: 502-682-5648 that is a KY/Eastern Time zone area thanks,Bret _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Jan 20 19:12:19 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:12:19 EST Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? Message-ID: In a message dated 1/20/2008 10:05:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tpfinn at btinternet.com writes: If I get a minute might strip off one of the labels and see what lies beneath!! DON"T - you might pull off more than the label jw **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sun Jan 20 19:49:36 2008 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:49:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone out here have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf ? References: <25962018.1200493346842.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><0388F073-2716-484B-B98E-C582C316752D@sonic.net> <007a01c85918$7b8ffbe0$6a01a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> Message-ID: <010a01c85b95$39108da0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Hi Anyone in the community have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf form that they could send me. Closest match that I have found so far is the MR-2 one on Ebaman Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff at eslabs.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Hi Steve, If you had inadvertently reassembled the cam control motor 180 degrees out of phase or re-connected the wires backwards, then the motor is running in the wrong direction. Simply, switch the motor wires to change it's direction. If it fails again or you want to replace it with a better version, I have at a couple of thousand in stock. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ------------------------------------------------------- ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, include this e-mail within your reply. ------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Emerson To: Tom Brucker ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Thanks, Tom (and Nadeem). What you say makes a lot of sense and it's good to understand better what those leaf switches do -- have been pretty unclear. I had cleaned those contacts with fine sandpaper and Deoxit. At this point all I can tell you is that when I bump the cam around so it closes a given switch, I do get continuity across the switch. Also they successfully open, so it's not like any are bent to stay closed. Further thoughts?? Nadeem, you're absolutely right about Rewind. Thx, Steve On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Try cleaning the cam switch contacts. They are designed to work > together, encoding the transports position so the micro knows when > to unmute and operate the reel motor. STOP, PLAY, FF/RW, REC, PAUSE > are the 5 states encoded by these 3 switches. Other combinations > exist, but the micro will not have instructions on what to do, so > it makes screwy combinations, like 2 lights lit, etc. I believe one > of the 3 switches is corroded. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Emerson >> Sent: Jan 15, 2008 6:46 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control >> >> Thanks to both Ron and Jeff. Agree on control logic. I don't have the >> schematic either. Further development: >> >> With the cam motor disconnected, it's now possible to get Fast >> Forward to work. But even then, the wrong buttons light up (mostly >> Pause and Play). The FF button never lights. >> >> Also with the cam motor disconnected, Rewind will work (but not >> light) -- but only briefly. >> >> Voltage flowing to the cam motor is a fairly consistent c. 6 volts. >> However, if I push together the two terminals of the middle leaf >> switch (in the cam-driven switch cluster), that voltage drops down >> to .5 volts. >> >> Jeff, conditions aren't that different from before servicing the >> motor. Multiple lights on the control switches were lit up then too. >> I could get the cam to turn a fraction of a turn by helping it with a >> screwdriver, but Play still failed. So I don't *think* I'm the >> culprit.... >> >> So far I've tested a few TO92 transistors that connect to either a >> logic gate or the terminals reaching the cam motor, all fine. >> >> Steve. >> >> >> On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Ron wrote: >> >>> >>> I have no idea, except to note that this is not >>> a common fault. It would seem that 'something' >>> is amiss in the control logic. >>> >>> To diagnose, I would resort to good old fashioned >>> troubleshooting. I would disconnect the control >>> motor (no sense in wearing it out), power the >>> unit and measure the drive voltage to the motor. >>> Then, I would measure back along the circuit path, >>> to see why it's powered on constantly. >>> >>> To do this, you'll need the service manual or, at >>> least, the schematic, neither of which I have. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Stephen Emerson wrote: >>>> >>>> I have disassembled, cleaned and lubed the cam motor and the motor >>>> is working well, so I don't think that's the problem. (Earlier on, >>>> the motor didn't work right either.) >>>> Here's what happens. >>>> --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor >>>> starts and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and >>>> down. Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again. >>>> --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. >>>> Soon as you turn on the deck. >>>> --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop >>>> and then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel >>>> motor both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam >>>> motor continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and >>>> down. >>>> --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount >>>> of pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. >>>> I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the >>>> other leaf switches. >>>> So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost >>>> seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or >>>> known test procedures. A bad processor IC might be terminal.... >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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Gutte Neshome wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } i was told he died of AIDS. --------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:03:21 -0500 From: musicpen at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank Anyone have any "Recnt" and Real info. on Steve Sank,Talking Dog,Champlain Spkrs?He has some items ;to do for me,and the number on his "talking Dog" is 'no longer in service.Perhaps it is a change in area code or?Please contact me either at my email: musicpen at gmail.com or leave a message on my cell: 502-682-5648 that is a KY/Eastern Time zone area thanks,Bret --------------------------------- Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. Learn more. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jan 20 19:22:08 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:22:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? In-Reply-To: References: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com><005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell><009d01c8578e$48cfa740$0401a8c0@home> <20080120010616.555896af@blackbox.local.de> Message-ID: <47939150.2000006@rcn.com> orders at pennysconstruction wrote: > [.....] > Audio CD format is a very poor design in the first place, there is no > error correction, and no way to verify data built in to the disk > (included on the disk). This is patently incorrect. There is a very robust error correction facility in red book CDs. If there wasn't, the format would be useless. I believe any errors up to consecutive 81 bits can be corrected though I may be lying here... -- Ron > There are however ways to compress the audio, > and have built in data to verify that the data is complete. You still > use an outside program to check, but the files are on the disk itself. > They way you can copy the data files over and over, each copy will be > exactly the same (exactly) as long as you can verify the data. The > compression is similar to MP3 but does not remove anything. The > un-compressed audio is exactly the same as the original. This is done by > combining the repeating patterns rather than removing some material. I > brought that up, because you can make a copy of the original audio > files, compress them, put in the check sums, and then pass those disks > on to each other. Each person copies the disk, verifies the data, and > sends the original on to the next person. > Thanks Mike > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? > > >> Hi, >> >> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:49:59 -0000 >> "TERRY FINN" wrote: >> >>> I didn't think I would be the only one! What number are yours? >>> >>> Don't think its down to storage as my second set had never been out >>> of the original jiffy bag they came in and have the same problem. >> >> >> I just checked my to CD's -- number one is the original with that >> globes and glued label -- which is unreadable now, the drives (reader, >> burner, audio player) are not even recognising it as an audio CD (but >> CD was quite ok when I got it). The second one is already a copy -- If I >> remember correctly because my regular audio CD player couldn't handle >> the glued paper label on that one. This copy is still fine. >> >> So I'm also one CD down :-( >> >> >> >> Maybe the glued label does something to the CD over time? >> >> >> >> K.-H. > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jan 20 21:03:47 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:03:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? In-Reply-To: <002801c85b76$d9e52200$6401a8c0@Gandalf2006> References: <002801c85b76$d9e52200$6401a8c0@Gandalf2006> Message-ID: <4793A923.1080504@rcn.com> Both my Marathon CDs are in great shape. Just played both flawlessly. While there are no 'master copies', anyone with a working CD can make additional copies. As you all know, digital copies do not degrade from generation to generation. I doubt the labels are a problem. I've been using labels (I like the Verbatim full face type) for years with no mishaps. But then, I am not sure what labels Carlos used. As to the copyrights issue: even the first copy onto the marathon tape was an infringement on copyrights in the source (if any) by the recording person. Carlos was as guilty, for copying the original tape onto the CDs. Anyone copying the CDs onto ant other media are similarly responsible (regardless of whether in analog or digital form). The same applies to people knowingly accepting such a illegal copy, whether or not for pay. On one hand, though, this is -- in most cases -- old material that has little or no monetary value. It was compiled by hobbyists that owned the originals, not for gain but to enjoy their hobby of cassette recorders. OTOH, copyright owners are notoriously paranoid, since recording ability lowers the value of their product (IOW, they can charge more when recording is difficult or dangerous). Since the law is on their side, they have received judgments against a poor student (to the tune of $70,000) and a young single mother ($220,000), so there is an element of risk involved in further copying. I recommend that anyone involved in getting a new copy of their defunct CDs avoid advertising that fact (including here) and delete all related emails. -- Ron KJ Bleus wrote: > Greetings NakTalkers & NakChatters,/* > > Regarding the original Marathon Tapes Project Mk I, that was a limited > edition run, and now there no master discs to fall back upon to create > duplicates once again. I did make an archived copy of the discs for > myself, onto MFSL UltraDisc CD-Rs immediately upon receiving my MTP Mk > I originals back in early 2004. The UltraDisc CD-Rs are made for > long-term archiving of valuable digital data, currently in fine shape, > and I expect those to retain full continuity into the future. A > suggestion to all who have MTP Mk I original discs, you should back > those up onto your desktop or external hard drive and then make > duplicate copies of the music tracks onto reputable commercial brand > CD-R blanks (Sony, Fuji, TDK, Maxell, Taiyo Yuden, etc.)./* > *//* > */Since the individual who did the mastering of cassette tracks to disc > for us (Carlos Guzman) stated clearly that there should be no > unauthorized duplication and redistribution of MTP music in digital > format, due to potential copyright infringement issues, I suggest that > you make the best with what you now have, and/or arrange to share copies > of the Marathon Tapes music as it was always intended, as an > analogue cassette recording. To my knowledge, there is no problem with > duplicating on cassette tape and exchanging that between the less > fortunate that do not have MTP Mk I or have experienced degradation of > discs over the last few years time. Anyway, this music on cassette is > simply awesome, and as we all should know, magnetic tape has been proven > to outlast any digital disc format of recordable materials available for > consumer use. My primary analogue copies of MTP Mk I is on Maxell MX-S > and Metal Vertex, and those are sweet recordings, indeed./* > *//* > */If anyone wishes a cassette copy of the original MTP, contact me > directly and we'll work out an arrangement for music exchange./* > *//* > */http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html/* > *//* > */Regards,/* > *//* > */K.J. Bleus/* > */Madison, Wisc USA/* > */kjbleusnak at lycos.com /* > *//* > *//* > *//* > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 5:00 AM > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 59, Issue 20 > *//* > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:06:16 +0100 > From: Karl-Heinz Herrmann > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <20080120010616.555896af at blackbox.local.de > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Hi, > ---- original message --- > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:49:59 -0000 > "TERRY FINN" > wrote: > > > I didn't think I would be the only one! What number are yours? > > > > Don't think its down to storage as my second set had never been out > > of the original jiffy bag they came in and have the same problem. > > > I just checked my to CD's -- number one is the original with that > globes and glued label -- which is unreadable now, the drives (reader, > burner, audio player) are not even recognising it as an audio CD (but > CD was quite ok when I got it). The second one is already a copy -- If I > remember correctly because my regular audio CD player couldn't handle > the glued paper label on that one. This copy is still fine. > > So I'm also one CD down :-( > > Maybe the glued label does something to the CD over time? > > K.-H. From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jan 20 21:55:10 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:55:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone out here have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf ? In-Reply-To: <010a01c85b95$39108da0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> References: <25962018.1200493346842.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><0388F073-2716-484B-B98E-C582C316752D@sonic.net> <007a01c85918$7b8ffbe0$6a01a8c0@SONYLAPTOP> <010a01c85b95$39108da0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <4793B52E.40500@rcn.com> The BX-300 is very similar to the MR-1. The MR-2 is not. -- Ron ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: > Hi > > Anyone in the community have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf form that > they could send me. Closest match that I have found so far is the MR-2 > one on Ebaman > > Thanks Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* jeff at eslabs.com > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:51 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control > > Hi Steve, > > If you had inadvertently reassembled the cam control motor 180 > degrees out of phase or re-connected the wires backwards, then the > motor is running in the wrong direction. Simply, switch the motor > wires to change it's direction. > > If it fails again or you want to replace it with a better version, I > have at a couple of thousand in stock. > > Sincerely, > Jeff Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! > *ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS* > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com > > www.nakamichi.us > *------------------------------------------------------- > ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, > include this e-mail within your reply. > -------------------------------------------------------* > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Stephen Emerson > *To:* Tom Brucker ; Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:00 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control > > Thanks, Tom (and Nadeem). What you say makes a lot of sense and it's > good to understand better what those leaf switches do -- have been > pretty unclear. > > I had cleaned those contacts with fine sandpaper and Deoxit. At this > point all I can tell you is that when I bump the cam around so it > closes a given switch, I do get continuity across the switch. Also > they successfully open, so it's not like any are bent to stay closed. > > Further thoughts?? > > Nadeem, you're absolutely right about Rewind. > > Thx, > Steve > > On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > > > Try cleaning the cam switch contacts. They are designed to work > > together, encoding the transports position so the micro knows when > > to unmute and operate the reel motor. STOP, PLAY, FF/RW, REC, PAUSE > > are the 5 states encoded by these 3 switches. Other combinations > > exist, but the micro will not have instructions on what to do, so > > it makes screwy combinations, like 2 lights lit, etc. I believe one > > of the 3 switches is corroded. > > > > tom brucker > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Stephen Emerson > > >> Sent: Jan 15, 2008 6:46 PM > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control > >> > >> Thanks to both Ron and Jeff. Agree on control logic. I don't > have the > >> schematic either. Further development: > >> > >> With the cam motor disconnected, it's now possible to get Fast > >> Forward to work. But even then, the wrong buttons light up (mostly > >> Pause and Play). The FF button never lights. > >> > >> Also with the cam motor disconnected, Rewind will work (but not > >> light) -- but only briefly. > >> > >> Voltage flowing to the cam motor is a fairly consistent c. 6 volts. > >> However, if I push together the two terminals of the middle leaf > >> switch (in the cam-driven switch cluster), that voltage drops down > >> to .5 volts. > >> > >> Jeff, conditions aren't that different from before servicing the > >> motor. Multiple lights on the control switches were lit up then too. > >> I could get the cam to turn a fraction of a turn by helping it > with a > >> screwdriver, but Play still failed. So I don't *think* I'm the > >> culprit.... > >> > >> So far I've tested a few TO92 transistors that connect to either a > >> logic gate or the terminals reaching the cam motor, all fine. > >> > >> Steve. > >> > >> > >> On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Ron wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> I have no idea, except to note that this is not > >>> a common fault. It would seem that 'something' > >>> is amiss in the control logic. > >>> > >>> To diagnose, I would resort to good old fashioned > >>> troubleshooting. I would disconnect the control > >>> motor (no sense in wearing it out), power the > >>> unit and measure the drive voltage to the motor. > >>> Then, I would measure back along the circuit path, > >>> to see why it's powered on constantly. > >>> > >>> To do this, you'll need the service manual or, at > >>> least, the schematic, neither of which I have. > >>> > >>> -- Ron > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Stephen Emerson wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I have disassembled, cleaned and lubed the cam motor and the motor > >>>> is working well, so I don't think that's the problem. (Earlier on, > >>>> the motor didn't work right either.) > >>>> Here's what happens. > >>>> --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor > >>>> starts and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and > >>>> down. Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again. > >>>> --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. > >>>> Soon as you turn on the deck. > >>>> --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop > >>>> and then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel > >>>> motor both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam > >>>> motor continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and > >>>> down. > >>>> --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount > >>>> of pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. > >>>> I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the > >>>> other leaf switches. > >>>> So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost > >>>> seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or > >>>> known test procedures. A bad processor IC might be terminal.... From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Jan 20 22:19:47 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:19:47 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank In-Reply-To: <215668.11499.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1AC2B35C11AB4B70A1832795F409B7D0@GrahamNPC> Jeesh! I hope this is incorrect, too - he has a teenage daughter! She must be about 16-17? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:06 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank If that is true then it is really a sad news. Gutte Neshome wrote: i was told he died of AIDS. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Jan 20 22:50:58 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:50:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? In-Reply-To: <001001c85b5e$cb4354a0$0401a8c0@home> References: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell> <009d01c8578e$48cfa740$0401a8c0@home> <20080120010616.555896af@blackbox.local.de> <001001c85b5e$cb4354a0$0401a8c0@home> Message-ID: <20080120215057.JSA23675.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> At 07:20 AM 1/20/2008, you wrote: >Globes and Glued Label same as mine! > >If I get a minute might strip off one of the labels and see what lies >beneath!! Terry, I've had problems with paper labels on DVD's and I've had to do exactly what you are prescribing. I did not have to pull of the entire label though. I'm not sure that there' any usable info on the top but I think it has to do with balancing of the CD/DVD that makes it unreadable after a bit. Why this happens as the disc ages, I dunno. From ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com Sun Jan 20 22:54:15 2008 From: ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com (ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:54:15 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone out here have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf ? References: <25962018.1200493346842.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net><0388F073-2716-484B-B98E-C582C316752D@sonic.net> <007a01c85918$7b8ffbe0$6a01a8c0@SONYLAPTOP><010a01c85b95$39108da0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> <4793B52E.40500@rcn.com> Message-ID: <014d01c85baf$01c65a40$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Thanks for that update Ron. I had wrongly assumed that theMR-2 would be very similar aside from the no of heads Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone out here have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf ? > > The BX-300 is very similar to the MR-1. > The MR-2 is not. > > -- Ron > > > > ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: >> Hi >> Anyone in the community have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf form that >> they could send me. Closest match that I have found so far is the MR-2 >> one on Ebaman >> Thanks Dave >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* jeff at eslabs.com >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:51 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control >> >> Hi Steve, >> If you had inadvertently reassembled the cam control motor 180 >> degrees out of phase or re-connected the wires backwards, then the >> motor is running in the wrong direction. Simply, switch the motor >> wires to change it's direction. If it fails again or you want to >> replace it with a better version, I >> have at a couple of thousand in stock. >> Sincerely, >> Jeff Galin >> "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! >> *ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS* >> 1807 Berlin Turnpike >> Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA >> VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 >> jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com >> >> www.nakamichi.us >> *------------------------------------------------------- >> ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, >> include this e-mail within your reply. >> -------------------------------------------------------* >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Stephen Emerson >> *To:* Tom Brucker ; Talk about >> Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:00 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control >> >> Thanks, Tom (and Nadeem). What you say makes a lot of sense and it's >> good to understand better what those leaf switches do -- have been pretty >> unclear. >> >> I had cleaned those contacts with fine sandpaper and Deoxit. At this >> point all I can tell you is that when I bump the cam around so it closes >> a given switch, I do get continuity across the switch. Also they >> successfully open, so it's not like any are bent to stay closed. >> >> Further thoughts?? >> >> Nadeem, you're absolutely right about Rewind. >> >> Thx, >> Steve >> >> On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: >> >> > Try cleaning the cam switch contacts. They are designed to work > >> together, encoding the transports position so the micro knows when > to >> unmute and operate the reel motor. STOP, PLAY, FF/RW, REC, PAUSE > are >> the 5 states encoded by these 3 switches. Other combinations > exist, but >> the micro will not have instructions on what to do, so > it makes screwy >> combinations, like 2 lights lit, etc. I believe one > of the 3 switches >> is corroded. >> > >> > tom brucker >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Stephen Emerson > > >> >> Sent: Jan 15, 2008 6:46 PM >> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control >> >> >> >> Thanks to both Ron and Jeff. Agree on control logic. I don't >> have the >> >> schematic either. Further development: >> >> >> >> With the cam motor disconnected, it's now possible to get Fast >> >> Forward to work. But even then, the wrong buttons light up >> (mostly >> >> Pause and Play). The FF button never lights. >> >> >> >> Also with the cam motor disconnected, Rewind will work (but not >> >> light) -- but only briefly. >> >> >> >> Voltage flowing to the cam motor is a fairly consistent c. 6 >> volts. >> >> However, if I push together the two terminals of the middle leaf >> >> switch (in the cam-driven switch cluster), that voltage drops >> down >> >> to .5 volts. >> >> >> >> Jeff, conditions aren't that different from before servicing the >> >> motor. Multiple lights on the control switches were lit up then >> too. >> >> I could get the cam to turn a fraction of a turn by helping it >> with a >> >> screwdriver, but Play still failed. So I don't *think* I'm the >> >> culprit.... >> >> >> >> So far I've tested a few TO92 transistors that connect to either >> a >> >> logic gate or the terminals reaching the cam motor, all fine. >> >> >> >> Steve. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Ron wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >>> I have no idea, except to note that this is not >> >>> a common fault. It would seem that 'something' >> >>> is amiss in the control logic. >> >>> >> >>> To diagnose, I would resort to good old fashioned >> >>> troubleshooting. I would disconnect the control >> >>> motor (no sense in wearing it out), power the >> >>> unit and measure the drive voltage to the motor. >> >>> Then, I would measure back along the circuit path, >> >>> to see why it's powered on constantly. >> >>> >> >>> To do this, you'll need the service manual or, at >> >>> least, the schematic, neither of which I have. >> >>> >> >>> -- Ron >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Stephen Emerson wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I have disassembled, cleaned and lubed the cam motor and the >> motor >> >>>> is working well, so I don't think that's the problem. (Earlier >> on, >> >>>> the motor didn't work right either.) >> >>>> Here's what happens. >> >>>> --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor >> >>>> starts and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and >> >>>> down. Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again. >> >>>> --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the >> time. >> >>>> Soon as you turn on the deck. >> >>>> --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then >> Stop >> >>>> and then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel >> >>>> motor both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The >> cam >> >>>> motor continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up >> and >> >>>> down. >> >>>> --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No >> amount >> >>>> of pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. >> >>>> I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the >> >>>> other leaf switches. >> >>>> So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It >> almost >> >>>> seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or >> >>>> known test procedures. A bad processor IC might be terminal.... > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: > 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: 19/01/2008 18:37 > From andras.g.major at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 23:50:14 2008 From: andras.g.major at gmail.com (Major A) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:50:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E with W/F and hum Message-ID: <20080120225012.GA3149@cirrus> Hello, I'm new to this list and need your help right away :) A while ago I bought a CR-1E over ebay with the intention to use it as a playback deck for listening to and digitizing old tapes. I recently noticed with a few tapes that I digitized that I get some W/F, more with some tapes than with others. I also have a 50Hz or 100Hz hum all the time that I'm desperate to get rid of. Neither effect comes from the ADC, I know that with absolute certainty. Are these effects known problems with this deck, and how can I start solving them? I'm fairly competent at electronics and would appreciate directions as to where I can get going. Thanks a lot, Andras From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 01:01:48 2008 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:01:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank In-Reply-To: <1AC2B35C11AB4B70A1832795F409B7D0@GrahamNPC> References: <215668.11499.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1AC2B35C11AB4B70A1832795F409B7D0@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <112a7fe30801201601t57c8fd22r433e854def96ac2a@mail.gmail.com> I really doubt it...Stephen runs a few auctions on ebay right now.Probably some freak just wants to destroy his business.Methinks... Regards,M Esoteric On 1/20/08, Graham A Nelson wrote: > Jeesh! I hope this is incorrect, too - he has a teenage daughter! She must > be about 16-17? > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of LENA WONG > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:06 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank > > > If that is true then it is really a sad news. > > Gutte Neshome wrote: > > i was told he died of AIDS. > > From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 21 02:17:55 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:17:55 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank Message-ID: I am probably the person on Naktalk who lives nearest to Steve Sank. He's in Tucson, I'm in Phoenix. It's a 90 minute drive away. I have met with him and his daughter at his home in New Mexico while passing thru the state in Aug. 2001 . My last telephone contact with him was in Aug. 2006. I do have a chance to visit him now so I need to know if this info is absolutely true. If Steve Sank is no longer around, it's really sad news. I was looking toward visiting with him, taking him out to lunch at his favorite restaurant, and checking out equipment that he may have for sale. I have taken his advice on many occasions. Thru Naktalk, he mentioned he liked the sound of his Adcom GFA-535 II amp. I purchased an Adcom GFA-545 II and it sounds wonderful. Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:06:30 -0800From: lenaw at flash.netSubject: RE: [naktalk] Help!!Steve SankTo: naktalk at naks.comIf that is true then it is really a sad news. Gutte Neshome wrote: i was told he died of AIDS. Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:03:21 -0500From: musicpen at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] Help!!Steve SankAnyone have any 'Recnt' and Real info. on Steve Sank,Talking Dog,Champlain Spkrs?He has some items ;to do for me,and the number on his 'talking Dog' is 'no longer in service.Perhaps it is a change in area code or?Please contact me either at my email: musicpen at gmail.com or leave a message on my cell: 502-682-5648 that is a KY/Eastern Time zone area thanks,Bret Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. Learn more. ========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From emersn at sonic.net Mon Jan 21 04:37:37 2008 From: emersn at sonic.net (Stephen Emerson) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:37:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR Series - "Dual Mono"? In-Reply-To: <20080120215057.JSA23675.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> References: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell> <009d01c8578e$48cfa740$0401a8c0@home> <20080120010616.555896af@blackbox.local.de> <001001c85b5e$cb4354a0$0401a8c0@home> <20080120215057.JSA23675.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: Is there any particular basis for the company's statement that the CR1 et al have "Dual-Mono Amplifier Construction"? I looked at the board, and while there are a series of discrete parts mirroring each other for each channel, that is also true of most other such stages in my experience, most of which don't make that claim. Both halves of the op-amp are employed on this board, rather than using a separate chip per channel, as is done on something as humble as the phono preamp of an '80s Onkyo integrated amp that I worked on recently. So the question is really, is this amplifier stage particularly different from its Nak predecessors, or did they just decide to start using the "dual mono" term at that particular time. Just curious. I'm wondering about the CR vs. my BX-125. Thanks, Steve. From luis at peromarta.org Mon Jan 21 11:04:09 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:04:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank In-Reply-To: <112a7fe30801201601t57c8fd22r433e854def96ac2a@mail.gmail.com> References: <215668.11499.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1AC2B35C11AB4B70A1832795F409B7D0@GrahamNPC> <112a7fe30801201601t57c8fd22r433e854def96ac2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47946E19.6070905@peromarta.org> What is is ebay id ? I'd like to check his auctions. thanks, rgds, LP. MD wrote: > I really doubt it...Stephen runs a few auctions on ebay right > now.Probably some freak just wants to destroy his business.Methinks... > Regards,M Esoteric > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Jan 21 11:21:32 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:21:32 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank In-Reply-To: <47946E19.6070905@peromarta.org> Message-ID: At last, I just found a thumbnail sized picture of Stephen S @ http://michaelmoore.meetup.com/cities/us/nm/albuquerque/1803987/?ic=sn42 Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 10:04 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank What is is ebay id ? I'd like to check his auctions. thanks, rgds, LP. MD wrote: > I really doubt it...Stephen runs a few auctions on ebay right > now.Probably some freak just wants to destroy his business.Methinks... > Regards,M Esoteric > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From george.valkov at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 11:52:51 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:52:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank In-Reply-To: <47946E19.6070905@peromarta.org> References: <215668.11499.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1AC2B35C11AB4B70A1832795F409B7D0@GrahamNPC> <112a7fe30801201601t57c8fd22r433e854def96ac2a@mail.gmail.com> <47946E19.6070905@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <518b7b10801210252s52522b3ard2d4b21ccfc87f50@mail.gmail.com> Wasn't it bk11 ? I can't remember exactly, it's been a long while. On 1/21/08, Luis Peromarta wrote: > What is is ebay id ? I'd like to check his auctions. thanks, rgds, LP. > > MD wrote: > > I really doubt it...Stephen runs a few auctions on ebay right > > now.Probably some freak just wants to destroy his business.Methinks... > > Regards,M Esoteric > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From cestmoi at att.net Mon Jan 21 14:59:09 2008 From: cestmoi at att.net (Richard Obenauf) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:59:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Help!!Steve Sank Message-ID: <012120081359.17909.4794A52D0002D722000045F522193122529B0A02D29B9B0EBF0701039B9C0A0C@att.net> Hi, I read this list in digest form, so perhaps the question has already been answered. This is most definitely him: http://myworld.ebay.com/stephensank/ I used to keep in touch with Steve when we both lived in Albuquerque, but now that I'm in Chicago and he's in Tucson, I don't know how to contact him. The good news is that we can ignore the rumors. Reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated. Richard > Message: 18 > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:04:09 +0100 > From: Luis Peromarta > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <47946E19.6070905 at peromarta.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > What is is ebay id ? I'd like to check his auctions. thanks, rgds, LP. > From luis at peromarta.org Mon Jan 21 16:18:31 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:18:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Help!!Steve Sank In-Reply-To: <012120081359.17909.4794A52D0002D722000045F522193122529B0A02D29B9B0EBF0701039B9C0A0C@att.net> References: <012120081359.17909.4794A52D0002D722000045F522193122529B0A02D29B9B0EBF0701039B9C0A0C@att.net> Message-ID: <4794B7C7.9060704@peromarta.org> Yes, those are his mods. I own a Sanktified Dragon, and it's definetively him. rgds, LP. Richard Obenauf escribió: > Hi, > > I read this list in digest form, so perhaps the question has already been answered. This is most definitely him: > > http://myworld.ebay.com/stephensank/ > > I used to keep in touch with Steve when we both lived in Albuquerque, but now that I'm in Chicago and he's in Tucson, I don't know how to contact him. > > The good news is that we can ignore the rumors. Reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated. > > Richard > > >> Message: 18 >> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:04:09 +0100 >> From: Luis Peromarta >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <47946E19.6070905 at peromarta.org> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> What is is ebay id ? I'd like to check his auctions. thanks, rgds, LP. >> From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Jan 21 18:05:58 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:05:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT - "Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated" - Mark Twain In-Reply-To: <012120081359.17909.4794A52D0002D722000045F522193122529B0A02D29B9B0EBF0701039B9C0A0C@att.net> Message-ID: <590947E1BBBF468CAE6CA4A6FFE0CE18@GrahamNPC> As we are all music aficionados I thought you would all be amused by this report, noting the punch line. "Mistaken publications of obituaries aren't as rare as you might expect. A recent example is of Dave Swarbrick, the British folk/rock violinist, who was killed off mistakenly by the Daily Telegraph in April 1999 when they reported that his visit to hospital in Coventry had resulted in his death. He did at least get the opportunity to read a rather favourable account of his life, not something we all get to do, and to deliver the gag "It's not the first time I have died in Coventry". Source: http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/368850.html. The Phrase Finder. Copyright C Gary Martin, 1996 - 2007 Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Richard Obenauf Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Help!!Steve Sank Hi, I read this list in digest form, so perhaps the question has already been answered. This is most definitely him: http://myworld.ebay.com/stephensank/ I used to keep in touch with Steve when we both lived in Albuquerque, but now that I'm in Chicago and he's in Tucson, I don't know how to contact him. The good news is that we can ignore the rumors. Reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated. Richard From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Jan 21 19:22:02 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:22:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Help!!Steve Sank In-Reply-To: <012120081359.17909.4794A52D0002D722000045F522193122529B0A02D29B9B0EBF0701039B9C0A0C@att.net> Message-ID: <01CC7D13074A4DFDA72298652454603C@GrahamNPC> I got a message from Stephen Sank via eBay, which reads: "Well, in fact, I am dead. Like Keith Richards, I simply don't have enough brain left to realise that I'm dead." He doesn't seem to have lost any of that black humour, either. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Richard Obenauf Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Help!!Steve Sank Hi, I read this list in digest form, so perhaps the question has already been answered. This is most definitely him: http://myworld.ebay.com/stephensank/ I used to keep in touch with Steve when we both lived in Albuquerque, but now that I'm in Chicago and he's in Tucson, I don't know how to contact him. The good news is that we can ignore the rumors. Reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated. Richard From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 21 15:03:08 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:03:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E with W/F and hum In-Reply-To: <20080120225012.GA3149@cirrus> References: <20080120225012.GA3149@cirrus> Message-ID: <4794A61C.3030408@rcn.com> Increased W/F can come from a partially stuck pinch roller arm. Make sure the arm pushed the pinch roller against the capstan. Another possibility is a dried up capstan bearing. lubricate it with one (1) drop of light machine oil applied to the base of the capstan. Finally - it could be caused by defective capstan motor. If cleaning/lubrication does not help, it will have to be replaced. Hum can be caused by several factors and is historically difficult to diagnose. make sure the hum emanated form the deck and not from other equipment or the interconnection with the rest of the system. -- Ron Major A wrote: > Hello, > > I'm new to this list and need your help right away :) > > A while ago I bought a CR-1E over ebay with the intention to use it as > a playback deck for listening to and digitizing old tapes. I recently > noticed with a few tapes that I digitized that I get some W/F, more > with some tapes than with others. I also have a 50Hz or 100Hz hum all > the time that I'm desperate to get rid of. Neither effect comes from > the ADC, I know that with absolute certainty. > > Are these effects known problems with this deck, and how can I start > solving them? I'm fairly competent at electronics and would appreciate > directions as to where I can get going. > > Thanks a lot, > > Andras > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jan 21 15:11:31 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:11:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR Series - "Dual Mono"? In-Reply-To: References: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell> <009d01c8578e$48cfa740$0401a8c0@home> <20080120010616.555896af@blackbox.local.de> <001001c85b5e$cb4354a0$0401a8c0@home> <20080120215057.JSA23675.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <4794A813.9070509@rcn.com> 'Dual mono' is a boiler plate phrase, meaning next to nothing. Before asking whether a piece of gear is dual mono ask yourself how they define the term, whether it has any bearing on performance and only then, whether it really is built that way. To me, 'dual mono' ,means that there are two electronic paths, *totally* separate, for each channel. In the case of the CR-1: no, I don't think it deserves that description. No, it wouldn't make any difference if it did. -- Ron Stephen Emerson wrote: > Is there any particular basis for the company's statement that the CR1 > et al have "Dual-Mono Amplifier Construction"? > > I looked at the board, and while there are a series of discrete parts > mirroring each other for each channel, that is also true of most other > such stages in my experience, most of which don't make that claim. > > Both halves of the op-amp are employed on this board, rather than using > a separate chip per channel, as is done on something as humble as the > phono preamp of an '80s Onkyo integrated amp that I worked on recently. > > So the question is really, is this amplifier stage particularly > different from its Nak predecessors, or did they just decide to start > using the "dual mono" term at that particular time. > > Just curious. I'm wondering about the CR vs. my BX-125. > > Thanks, > Steve. > From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Jan 21 16:22:04 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:22:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Help!!Steve Sank In-Reply-To: <012120081359.17909.4794A52D0002D722000045F522193122529B0A0 2D29B9B0EBF0701039B9C0A0C@att.net> References: <012120081359.17909.4794A52D0002D722000045F522193122529B0A02D29B9B0EBF0701039B9C0A0C@att.net> Message-ID: <20080121152201.IZHT24467.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Well, Richard, if anything, you just caused about 20 people to add him to our Favorite Sellers list!! At 08:59 AM 1/21/2008, you wrote: >Hi, > >I read this list in digest form, so perhaps the question has already >been answered. This is most definitely him: > >http://myworld.ebay.com/stephensank/ > >I used to keep in touch with Steve when we both lived in >Albuquerque, but now that I'm in Chicago and he's in Tucson, I don't >know how to contact him. > >The good news is that we can ignore the rumors. Reports of his >death have been greatly exaggerated. > >Richard From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Jan 22 01:40:22 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:40:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Help!!Steve Sank In-Reply-To: <2B7036BAB0C8453FA6CD71077DAC31A9@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <74A315A637EF44598F7E2FC307FC8782@GrahamNPC> LOL! Well, it is interesting that, in spite of the problems some of our clan have had in getting in touch with Stephen, and getting their repairs done, he enjoys an enviable Feedback score of 99.8% satisfaction out of 1232 transactions. (I have 100% - swagger, swagger - but then, I've only got 148 deals under my belt.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 3:22 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Help!!Steve Sank Well, Richard, if anything, you just caused about 20 people to add him to our Favorite Sellers list!! At 08:59 AM 1/21/2008, you wrote: >Hi, > >I read this list in digest form, so perhaps the question has already >been answered. This is most definitely him: > >http://myworld.ebay.com/stephensank/ > >I used to keep in touch with Steve when we both lived in Albuquerque, >but now that I'm in Chicago and he's in Tucson, I don't know how to >contact him. > >The good news is that we can ignore the rumors. Reports of his death >have been greatly exaggerated. > >Richard ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Jan 21 20:50:04 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:50:04 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E with W/F and hum Message-ID: In a message dated 1/21/2008 11:27:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: Increased W/F can come from a partially stuck pinch roller arm. Make sure the arm pushed the pinch roller against the capstan. Another possibility is a dried up capstan bearing. lubricate it with one (1) drop of light machine oil applied to the base of the capstan. Finally - it could be caused by defective capstan motor. If cleaning/lubrication does not help, it will have to be replaced. Hum can be caused by several factors and is historically difficult to diagnose. make sure the hum emanated form the deck and not from other equipment or the interconnection with the rest of the system. Hi Andras, If you or anybody else needs a capstan motor for the CR-1 (or the other Sankyo transport single capstan decks which use the same motor) I would sell you a new one for $25 plus shipping. I got it as part of a package of parts from a retired tech and no longer own any Nak decks which use this motor. I've only got 2 capstan decks now. Jeff Whittier **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andras.g.major at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 23:16:12 2008 From: andras.g.major at gmail.com (Major A) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:16:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-1E with W/F and hum In-Reply-To: <4794A61C.3030408@rcn.com> References: <20080120225012.GA3149@cirrus> <4794A61C.3030408@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20080121221609.GA22619@cirrus> Ron, Thanks a lot of the quick reply. > Increased W/F can come from a partially stuck > pinch roller arm. Make sure the arm pushed the > pinch roller against the capstan. Thanks for the hints, I'll try lubricating whenever I come across a tape that won't play without audible W/F. > Hum can be caused by several factors and is > historically difficult to diagnose. make > sure the hum emanated form the deck and > not from other equipment or the interconnection > with the rest of the system. It definitely is the deck. It gets a little bit worse when my amp is connected (an NAD), but most of it is there even when I connect headphones only (no other connection apart from mains). I'm digitizing with an ADC that certainly doesn't hum at all. Anyway, what you say is precisely what I feared. Maybe I'll spend a week-end digging around with the oscilloscope... (after all, that's what line sync is there for on those things, isn't it?). Andras From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 23:44:15 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:44:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Anyone out here have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf ? In-Reply-To: <010a01c85b95$39108da0$0202a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: <542136.93834.qm@web82314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dave, I believe I have a service man for a BX300 which is the same difference as the MR1. I recently moved and changed computers so there may be a problem. If that would help you, I'll look when I get home from work. Bob ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: Hi Anyone in the community have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf form that they could send me. Closest match that I have found so far is the MR-2 one on Ebaman Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff at eslabs.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Hi Steve, If you had inadvertently reassembled the cam control motor 180 degrees out of phase or re-connected the wires backwards, then the motor is running in the wrong direction. Simply, switch the motor wires to change it's direction. If it fails again or you want to replace it with a better version, I have at a couple of thousand in stock. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ------------------------------------------------------- ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, include this e-mail within your reply. ------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Emerson To: Tom Brucker ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Thanks, Tom (and Nadeem). What you say makes a lot of sense and it's good to understand better what those leaf switches do -- have been pretty unclear. I had cleaned those contacts with fine sandpaper and Deoxit. At this point all I can tell you is that when I bump the cam around so it closes a given switch, I do get continuity across the switch. Also they successfully open, so it's not like any are bent to stay closed. Further thoughts?? Nadeem, you're absolutely right about Rewind. Thx, Steve On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Try cleaning the cam switch contacts. They are designed to work > together, encoding the transports position so the micro knows when > to unmute and operate the reel motor. STOP, PLAY, FF/RW, REC, PAUSE > are the 5 states encoded by these 3 switches. Other combinations > exist, but the micro will not have instructions on what to do, so > it makes screwy combinations, like 2 lights lit, etc. I believe one > of the 3 switches is corroded. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Emerson >> Sent: Jan 15, 2008 6:46 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control >> >> Thanks to both Ron and Jeff. Agree on control logic. I don't have the >> schematic either. Further development: >> >> With the cam motor disconnected, it's now possible to get Fast >> Forward to work. But even then, the wrong buttons light up (mostly >> Pause and Play). The FF button never lights. >> >> Also with the cam motor disconnected, Rewind will work (but not >> light) -- but only briefly. >> >> Voltage flowing to the cam motor is a fairly consistent c. 6 volts. >> However, if I push together the two terminals of the middle leaf >> switch (in the cam-driven switch cluster), that voltage drops down >> to .5 volts. >> >> Jeff, conditions aren't that different from before servicing the >> motor. Multiple lights on the control switches were lit up then too. >> I could get the cam to turn a fraction of a turn by helping it with a >> screwdriver, but Play still failed. So I don't *think* I'm the >> culprit.... >> >> So far I've tested a few TO92 transistors that connect to either a >> logic gate or the terminals reaching the cam motor, all fine. >> >> Steve. >> >> >> On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Ron wrote: >> >>> >>> I have no idea, except to note that this is not >>> a common fault. It would seem that 'something' >>> is amiss in the control logic. >>> >>> To diagnose, I would resort to good old fashioned >>> troubleshooting. I would disconnect the control >>> motor (no sense in wearing it out), power the >>> unit and measure the drive voltage to the motor. >>> Then, I would measure back along the circuit path, >>> to see why it's powered on constantly. >>> >>> To do this, you'll need the service manual or, at >>> least, the schematic, neither of which I have. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Stephen Emerson wrote: >>>> >>>> I have disassembled, cleaned and lubed the cam motor and the motor >>>> is working well, so I don't think that's the problem. (Earlier on, >>>> the motor didn't work right either.) >>>> Here's what happens. >>>> --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor >>>> starts and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and >>>> down. Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again. >>>> --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. >>>> Soon as you turn on the deck. >>>> --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop >>>> and then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel >>>> motor both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam >>>> motor continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and >>>> down. >>>> --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount >>>> of pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. >>>> I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the >>>> other leaf switches. >>>> So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost >>>> seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or >>>> known test procedures. A bad processor IC might be terminal.... >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 16/01/2008 09:01 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Mon Jan 21 22:40:23 2008 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:40:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank References: <2dee89c50801190803j526af0cah1c079013866dee39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007a01c85c76$3a9be250$6401a8c0@INSPIRON> Stephen is very much alive. I personally spoke with him recently. He is no longer in New Mexico, but now in Arizona. He does only specific servicing on Nakamichi's due to limited availability of parts. He also has an (non-Nak) auction running on E-bay: http://cgi.ebay.com/FOSTEX-CR300-HHB-CDR-850-CD-Recorder-UPGRADED-w-1YR-wty_W0QQitemZ120213110156QQihZ002QQcategoryZ41478QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Here is his contact info, as noted on the web: Phone: 505-410-4951 336 East Fort Lowell Road, Tucson, AZ 85705 USA Email: bk11 at thuntek.net or varacoustic at yahoo.com http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm You can contact him at 505-410-4951 ----- Original Message ----- From: Gutte Neshome To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:39 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank i was told he died of AIDS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:03:21 -0500 From: musicpen at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank Anyone have any "Recnt" and Real info. on Steve Sank,Talking Dog,Champlain Spkrs?He has some items ;to do for me,and the number on his "talking Dog" is 'no longer in service.Perhaps it is a change in area code or?Please contact me either at my email: musicpen at gmail.com or leave a message on my cell: 502-682-5648 that is a KY/Eastern Time zone area thanks,Bret ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. 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If you want it I can e-mail it to you. Bob ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: Hi Anyone in the community have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf form that they could send me. Closest match that I have found so far is the MR-2 one on Ebaman Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff at eslabs.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Hi Steve, If you had inadvertently reassembled the cam control motor 180 degrees out of phase or re-connected the wires backwards, then the motor is running in the wrong direction. Simply, switch the motor wires to change it's direction. If it fails again or you want to replace it with a better version, I have at a couple of thousand in stock. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ------------------------------------------------------- ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, include this e-mail within your reply. ------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Emerson To: Tom Brucker ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Thanks, Tom (and Nadeem). What you say makes a lot of sense and it's good to understand better what those leaf switches do -- have been pretty unclear. I had cleaned those contacts with fine sandpaper and Deoxit. At this point all I can tell you is that when I bump the cam around so it closes a given switch, I do get continuity across the switch. Also they successfully open, so it's not like any are bent to stay closed. Further thoughts?? Nadeem, you're absolutely right about Rewind. Thx, Steve On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Try cleaning the cam switch contacts. They are designed to work > together, encoding the transports position so the micro knows when > to unmute and operate the reel motor. STOP, PLAY, FF/RW, REC, PAUSE > are the 5 states encoded by these 3 switches. Other combinations > exist, but the micro will not have instructions on what to do, so > it makes screwy combinations, like 2 lights lit, etc. I believe one > of the 3 switches is corroded. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Emerson >> Sent: Jan 15, 2008 6:46 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control >> >> Thanks to both Ron and Jeff. Agree on control logic. I don't have the >> schematic either. Further development: >> >> With the cam motor disconnected, it's now possible to get Fast >> Forward to work. But even then, the wrong buttons light up (mostly >> Pause and Play). The FF button never lights. >> >> Also with the cam motor disconnected, Rewind will work (but not >> light) -- but only briefly. >> >> Voltage flowing to the cam motor is a fairly consistent c. 6 volts. >> However, if I push together the two terminals of the middle leaf >> switch (in the cam-driven switch cluster), that voltage drops down >> to .5 volts. >> >> Jeff, conditions aren't that different from before servicing the >> motor. Multiple lights on the control switches were lit up then too. >> I could get the cam to turn a fraction of a turn by helping it with a >> screwdriver, but Play still failed. So I don't *think* I'm the >> culprit.... >> >> So far I've tested a few TO92 transistors that connect to either a >> logic gate or the terminals reaching the cam motor, all fine. >> >> Steve. >> >> >> On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Ron wrote: >> >>> >>> I have no idea, except to note that this is not >>> a common fault. It would seem that 'something' >>> is amiss in the control logic. >>> >>> To diagnose, I would resort to good old fashioned >>> troubleshooting. I would disconnect the control >>> motor (no sense in wearing it out), power the >>> unit and measure the drive voltage to the motor. >>> Then, I would measure back along the circuit path, >>> to see why it's powered on constantly. >>> >>> To do this, you'll need the service manual or, at >>> least, the schematic, neither of which I have. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Stephen Emerson wrote: >>>> >>>> I have disassembled, cleaned and lubed the cam motor and the motor >>>> is working well, so I don't think that's the problem. (Earlier on, >>>> the motor didn't work right either.) >>>> Here's what happens. >>>> --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor >>>> starts and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and >>>> down. Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again. >>>> --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. >>>> Soon as you turn on the deck. >>>> --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop >>>> and then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel >>>> motor both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam >>>> motor continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and >>>> down. >>>> --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount >>>> of pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. >>>> I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the >>>> other leaf switches. >>>> So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost >>>> seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or >>>> known test procedures. 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If I had known about it before I would have been here longer. I own two 480's both in need of repair, but more of those later. I am looking to buy a Nakamichi 3 head deck and have looking at ebay. I am curious about spare parts. I am aware, to some extent, that the idler wheels and belts are available but am more interested in cosmetic bits such as knobs and sliders as quite a few second hand decks seem to have these missing. I'm not the sort of guy who wants a deck with bits missing on the shelf to look at so would only consider something if the parts were available. Currently looking at a ZX7. Thanks for your help. Robbie From luis at peromarta.org Tue Jan 22 10:11:14 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:11:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone out here have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf ? In-Reply-To: <269764.79395.qm@web82311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <269764.79395.qm@web82311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4795B332.6080507@peromarta.org> BX300 SM is here: http://naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents Bob Naylor wrote: > Dave, I DO have the service manual for the BX300 in pdf. It's an 11+ > meg file. If you want it I can e-mail it to you. Bob > From tpfinn at btinternet.com Tue Jan 22 13:16:34 2008 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:16:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? References: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com><005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell><009d01c8578e$48cfa740$0401a8c0@home><20080120010616.555896af@blackbox.local.de> Message-ID: <00d601c85cf0$a1a7e320$0401a8c0@home> Hi All Thanks for all the input, its a classic case of " I really should Know better" But in all honesty, of all the CD's I have (going back to before the official launch of CD themselves (83/84) factory demo's etc) to the present. These two CD's ( 2 sets 2) are the only ones I have ever had this trouble with, you get the occasional label problem but that's about it, perhaps I have been lucky using good media so far, interestingly enough a lot of Taiyo Yuden! I suppose I got lulled into a sense of false security thinking that the original Marathon Tape CD's media would be of a similar quality, Ho Hum....... As I don't have any takers for getting some copies in the UK so far, anybody out there further afield willing to burn me a couple of replacements?? Mr KJ Bleus, what music are you looking for, in exchange for your cassette copies?? feel free to email me directly. Regards Terry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "orders at pennysconstruction" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? > I think I can help a little here. There have been several discussions on the > internet about weather or not labels degrade the burned CDr or not. People > are on both sides. > I've run several 100 tests on CDr's and DVDr's. IMO it does not have to do > with the label itself. > This is the rules for burning blank media, and I type them over and over > again. No matter what anybody tells you, if you want good burns follow these > rules. > 1) Good quality media. This is the most important part. The good media I put > labels on is still in good shape, The best media is made in Japan, the few > that are still being made. It costs a little more, but CDr's bought by the > 100 are 35 cents each. There is no excuse not to use them. Taiyo Yuden IMO > is the best, and many other people share this opinion. Verbatim makes great > DVDr's. TY media is found branded with other names, Fuji for one, and in all > cases the package says made in Japan. Fuji media that does not say made in > Japan is not made by TY. > 2) A good burner. This is the second most important part. I've had great > success with Plextor drives, but the brands keep changing models, and > sometimes re-badging other manufactures drives. Even Plextor did that, so > there is no set rule for which one to use anymore. CDfreaks.com, > videohelp.com, and doom9.net are the best places to check them out. > 3) Burn slowly. I'm beginning to think this is more important than I did > before. The more time you allow for the burn, the less data has to get > burned in a second. That allows the laser to be more accurate (it is true), > which in turn makes the disk easier to read. > That's it. Buy the best media you can find, a good burner, and burn slow. > You will have the best quality CDr's and DVDr's, that will last the longest. > > Storage is very similar to analog media, keep away from heat. That means > sunlight too. No matter what they are stored in, heat is what affects the > dye, and UV rays. Un-like analog, water ruins the labels and the printed > covers, but does not affect the media itself. Maybe after a very long > exposure, but CDr's and DVDr's soaked in a flood and cleaned with-in 2 weeks > time show no signs of failure. Too cold has to be bad too, but I've never > seem it happen. The top side (the one with the printing or label) is weaker > then the burned side. The coating is thinner, and scratches easier. > > Audio CD format is a very poor design in the first place, there is no error > correction, and no way to verify data built in to the disk (included on the > disk). There are however ways to compress the audio, and have built in data > to verify that the data is complete. You still use an outside program to > check, but the files are on the disk itself. They way you can copy the data > files over and over, each copy will be exactly the same (exactly) as long as > you can verify the data. The compression is similar to MP3 but does not > remove anything. The un-compressed audio is exactly the same as the > original. This is done by combining the repeating patterns rather than > removing some material. I brought that up, because you can make a copy of > the original audio files, compress them, put in the check sums, and then > pass those disks on to each other. Each person copies the disk, verifies the > data, and sends the original on to the next person. > Thanks Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? > > > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:49:59 -0000 > > "TERRY FINN" wrote: > > > >> I didn't think I would be the only one! What number are yours? > >> > >> Don't think its down to storage as my second set had never been out > >> of the original jiffy bag they came in and have the same problem. > > > > > > I just checked my to CD's -- number one is the original with that > > globes and glued label -- which is unreadable now, the drives (reader, > > burner, audio player) are not even recognising it as an audio CD (but > > CD was quite ok when I got it). The second one is already a copy -- If I > > remember correctly because my regular audio CD player couldn't handle > > the glued paper label on that one. This copy is still fine. > > > > So I'm also one CD down :-( > > > > > > > > Maybe the glued label does something to the CD over time? > > > > > > > > K.-H. > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: 19/01/08 18:37 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: Hi Anyone in the community have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf form that they could send me. Closest match that I have found so far is the MR-2 one on Ebaman Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff at eslabs.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Hi Steve, If you had inadvertently reassembled the cam control motor 180 degrees out of phase or re-connected the wires backwards, then the motor is running in the wrong direction. Simply, switch the motor wires to change it's direction. If it fails again or you want to replace it with a better version, I have at a couple of thousand in stock. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ------------------------------------------------------- ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, include this e-mail within your reply. ------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Emerson To: Tom Brucker ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Thanks, Tom (and Nadeem). What you say makes a lot of sense and it's good to understand better what those leaf switches do -- have been pretty unclear. I had cleaned those contacts with fine sandpaper and Deoxit. At this point all I can tell you is that when I bump the cam around so it closes a given switch, I do get continuity across the switch. Also they successfully open, so it's not like any are bent to stay closed. Further thoughts?? Nadeem, you're absolutely right about Rewind. Thx, Steve On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Try cleaning the cam switch contacts. They are designed to work > together, encoding the transports position so the micro knows when > to unmute and operate the reel motor. STOP, PLAY, FF/RW, REC, PAUSE > are the 5 states encoded by these 3 switches. Other combinations > exist, but the micro will not have instructions on what to do, so > it makes screwy combinations, like 2 lights lit, etc. I believe one > of the 3 switches is corroded. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Emerson >> Sent: Jan 15, 2008 6:46 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control >> >> Thanks to both Ron and Jeff. Agree on control logic. I don't have the >> schematic either. Further development: >> >> With the cam motor disconnected, it's now possible to get Fast >> Forward to work. But even then, the wrong buttons light up (mostly >> Pause and Play). The FF button never lights. >> >> Also with the cam motor disconnected, Rewind will work (but not >> light) -- but only briefly. >> >> Voltage flowing to the cam motor is a fairly consistent c. 6 volts. >> However, if I push together the two terminals of the middle leaf >> switch (in the cam-driven switch cluster), that voltage drops down >> to .5 volts. >> >> Jeff, conditions aren't that different from before servicing the >> motor. Multiple lights on the control switches were lit up then too. >> I could get the cam to turn a fraction of a turn by helping it with a >> screwdriver, but Play still failed. So I don't *think* I'm the >> culprit.... >> >> So far I've tested a few TO92 transistors that connect to either a >> logic gate or the terminals reaching the cam motor, all fine. >> >> Steve. >> >> >> On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Ron wrote: >> >>> >>> I have no idea, except to note that this is not >>> a common fault. It would seem that 'something' >>> is amiss in the control logic. >>> >>> To diagnose, I would resort to good old fashioned >>> troubleshooting. I would disconnect the control >>> motor (no sense in wearing it out), power the >>> unit and measure the drive voltage to the motor. >>> Then, I would measure back along the circuit path, >>> to see why it's powered on constantly. >>> >>> To do this, you'll need the service manual or, at >>> least, the schematic, neither of which I have. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Stephen Emerson wrote: >>>> >>>> I have disassembled, cleaned and lubed the cam motor and the motor >>>> is working well, so I don't think that's the problem. (Earlier on, >>>> the motor didn't work right either.) >>>> Here's what happens. >>>> --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor >>>> starts and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and >>>> down. Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again. >>>> --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. >>>> Soon as you turn on the deck. >>>> --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop >>>> and then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel >>>> motor both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam >>>> motor continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and >>>> down. >>>> --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount >>>> of pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. >>>> I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the >>>> other leaf switches. >>>> So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost >>>> seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or >>>> known test procedures. 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I am looking to buy a Nakamichi 3 head deck and have looking at ebay. I am curious about spare parts. I am aware, to some extent, that the idler wheels and belts are available but am more interested in cosmetic bits such as knobs and sliders as quite a few second hand decks seem to have these missing. I'm not the sort of guy who wants a deck with bits missing on the shelf to look at so would only consider something if the parts were available. Currently looking at a ZX7. Well, your 2 480's might be looked at as the source for spare parts. If you bought them new, then I would understand that you would have a hard time seeing them like that. Right now, the only good source for spare parts is broken decks, and there are a lot of those. The ZX-7 is one of the finest decks ever made, and if you can get one in good shape, you'll love it. Jeff W **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Jan 22 16:16:33 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:16:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Spare Parts ~ Newbie In-Reply-To: References: <590947E1BBBF468CAE6CA4A6FFE0CE18@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <20080122151629.QES23675.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Alfie, For the most part (no pun intended), the only place that I know of for spare parts is eslabs.com but be prepared to give up your firstborn. When it comes to spare parts for Nakamichi decks, buy a complete parts deck and there are numerous websites where people list their decks. ebay, audiogon.com, craiglist, etc,... Roland At 12:49 PM 1/21/2008, you wrote: >Hi Everyone, > >I am new to this list. If I had known about it before I would have been here >longer. > >I own two 480's both in need of repair, but more of those later. > >I am looking to buy a Nakamichi 3 head deck and have looking at ebay. > >I am curious about spare parts. I am aware, to some extent, that the idler >wheels and belts are available but am more interested in cosmetic bits such >as knobs and sliders as quite a few second hand decks seem to have these >missing. I'm not the sort of guy who wants a deck with bits missing on the >shelf to look at so would only consider something if the parts were >available. > >Currently looking at a ZX7. > >Thanks for your help. > >Robbie > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Jan 22 16:31:28 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:31:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help!! Steve Sank In-Reply-To: <200801221104.m0MB1nqW019859@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <974055.86425.qm@web60523.mail.yahoo.com> I'm probably overly sensitive about this, but in this society (US), when somebody wants to slander or ruin someone else's reputation, they start a rumor that he is gay and/or dying from AIDS. I doubt very much that the intent of the rumor was to slander Steve as a used needle junkie or that he got some contaminated blood. Only a very small, ugly homophobic mind would start such a rumor in the first place. Long live Steve and his contributions to Naks. Kevin > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:59:09 +0000 > From: "Richard Obenauf" > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Help!!Steve Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <012120081359.17909.4794A52D0002D722000045F522193122529B0A02D29B9B0EBF0701039B9C0A0C at att.net> > > > Hi, > > I read this list in digest form, so perhaps the > question has already been answered. This is most > definitely him: > > http://myworld.ebay.com/stephensank/ > > I used to keep in touch with Steve when we both > lived in Albuquerque, but now that I'm in Chicago > and he's in Tucson, I don't know how to contact him. > > The good news is that we can ignore the rumors. > Reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated. > > Richard > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From john.bowley at mypostoffice.co.uk Tue Jan 22 17:35:45 2008 From: john.bowley at mypostoffice.co.uk (Dave Bowley) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:35:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone out here have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf ? References: <269764.79395.qm@web82311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01e701c85d14$d67155e0$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Thanks Bob - if they are the same then I already have a link to get the BX-300 but thanks for the offer. REgards dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone out here have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf ? Dave, I DO have the service manual for the BX300 in pdf. It's an 11+ meg file. If you want it I can e-mail it to you. Bob ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: Hi Anyone in the community have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf form that they could send me. Closest match that I have found so far is the MR-2 one on Ebaman Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff at eslabs.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Hi Steve, If you had inadvertently reassembled the cam control motor 180 degrees out of phase or re-connected the wires backwards, then the motor is running in the wrong direction. Simply, switch the motor wires to change it's direction. If it fails again or you want to replace it with a better version, I have at a couple of thousand in stock. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ------------------------------------------------------- ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, include this e-mail within your reply. ------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Emerson To: Tom Brucker ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Thanks, Tom (and Nadeem). What you say makes a lot of sense and it's good to understand better what those leaf switches do -- have been pretty unclear. I had cleaned those contacts with fine sandpaper and Deoxit. At this point all I can tell you is that when I bump the cam around so it closes a given switch, I do get continuity across the switch. Also they successfully open, so it's not like any are bent to stay closed. Further thoughts?? Nadeem, you're absolutely right about Rewind. Thx, Steve On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Try cleaning the cam switch contacts. They are designed to work > together, encoding the transports position so the micro knows when > to unmute and operate the reel motor. STOP, PLAY, FF/RW, REC, PAUSE > are the 5 states encoded by these 3 switches. Other combinations > exist, but the micro will not have instructions on what to do, so > it makes screwy combinations, like 2 lights lit, etc. I believe one > of the 3 switches is corroded. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Emerson >> Sent: Jan 15, 2008 6:46 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control >> >> Thanks to both Ron and Jeff. Agree on control logic. I don't have the >> schematic either. Further development: >> >> With the cam motor disconnected, it's now possible to get Fast >> Forward to work. But even then, the wrong buttons light up (mostly >> Pause and Play). The FF button never lights. >> >> Also with the cam motor disconnected, Rewind will work (but not >> light) -- but only briefly. >> >> Voltage flowing to the cam motor is a fairly consistent c. 6 volts. >> However, if I push together the two terminals of the middle leaf >> switch (in the cam-driven switch cluster), that voltage drops down >> to .5 volts. >> >> Jeff, conditions aren't that different from before servicing the >> motor. Multiple lights on the control switches were lit up then too. >> I could get the cam to turn a fraction of a turn by helping it with a >> screwdriver, but Play still failed. So I don't *think* I'm the >> culprit.... >> >> So far I've tested a few TO92 transistors that connect to either a >> logic gate or the terminals reaching the cam motor, all fine. >> >> Steve. >> >> >> On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Ron wrote: >> >>> >>> I have no idea, except to note that this is not >>> a common fault. It would seem that 'something' >>> is amiss in the control logic. >>> >>> To diagnose, I would resort to good old fashioned >>> troubleshooting. I would disconnect the control >>> motor (no sense in wearing it out), power the >>> unit and measure the drive voltage to the motor. >>> Then, I would measure back along the circuit path, >>> to see why it's powered on constantly. >>> >>> To do this, you'll need the service manual or, at >>> least, the schematic, neither of which I have. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Stephen Emerson wrote: >>>> >>>> I have disassembled, cleaned and lubed the cam motor and the motor >>>> is working well, so I don't think that's the problem. (Earlier on, >>>> the motor didn't work right either.) >>>> Here's what happens. >>>> --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor >>>> starts and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and >>>> down. Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again. >>>> --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. >>>> Soon as you turn on the deck. >>>> --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop >>>> and then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel >>>> motor both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam >>>> motor continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and >>>> down. >>>> --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount >>>> of pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. >>>> I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the >>>> other leaf switches. >>>> So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost >>>> seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or >>>> known test procedures. 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue Jan 22 19:24:38 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:24:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <007a01c85c76$3a9be250$6401a8c0@INSPIRON> Message-ID: <179129.26377.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The biggest question ( I hope that is also the one that most of us want to be sure ) is whether we will feel comfortable to send our Naks to Stephen and be able to get them back as well? I have sent Naks to Stephen before and never see them again. Sorry to say that but I hope people can understand what I try to say. The good news is that he is still alive. Mike Roland Alford 2 wrote: .hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } BODY.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } Stephen is very much alive. I personally spoke with him recently. He is no longer in New Mexico, but now in Arizona. He does only specific servicing on Nakamichi's due to limited availability of parts. He also has an (non-Nak) auction running on E-bay: http://cgi.ebay.com/FOSTEX-CR300-HHB-CDR-850-CD-Recorder-UPGRADED-w-1YR-wty_W0QQitemZ120213110156QQihZ002QQcategoryZ41478QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Here is his contact info, as noted on the web: Phone: 505-410-4951 336 East Fort Lowell Road, Tucson, AZ 85705 USA Email: bk11 at thuntek.net or varacoustic at yahoo.com http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/home.htm You can contact him at 505-410-4951 ----- Original Message ----- From: Gutte Neshome To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:39 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank i was told he died of AIDS. --------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:03:21 -0500 From: musicpen at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Help!!Steve Sank Anyone have any "Recnt" and Real info. on Steve Sank,Talking Dog,Champlain Spkrs?He has some items ;to do for me,and the number on his "talking Dog" is 'no longer in service.Perhaps it is a change in area code or?Please contact me either at my email: musicpen at gmail.com or leave a message on my cell: 502-682-5648 that is a KY/Eastern Time zone area thanks,Bret --------------------------------- Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. 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URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 20:10:03 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:10:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help!! Steve Sank In-Reply-To: <974055.86425.qm@web60523.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200801221104.m0MB1nqW019859@zxe.naks.com> <974055.86425.qm@web60523.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I agree and am more than a bit surprised that it took this long for someone to say something - I wasn't around yesterday. As much as I've felt that Steve Sank has deserved the negative comments from people who have been unable to get in touch with him about the status of their decks sent in for repairs, it's a pretty low blow to say that he died of AIDS without facts to back up such a claim. IMO, the person who posted that comment should be ashamed of himself and banned from this list. If the comment was supposed to be funny, it failed miserably. -- Geoffrey Reynolds On 1/22/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: > I'm probably overly sensitive about this, but in this > society (US), when somebody wants to slander or ruin > someone else's reputation, they start a rumor that he > is gay and/or dying from AIDS. I doubt very much that > the intent of the rumor was to slander Steve as a used > needle junkie or that he got some contaminated blood. > Only a very small, ugly homophobic mind would start > such a rumor in the first place. Long live Steve and > his contributions to Naks. > > Kevin > > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:59:09 +0000 > > From: "Richard Obenauf" > > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Help!!Steve Sank > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: > > > > > <012120081359.17909.4794A52D0002D722000045F522193122529B0A02D29B9B0EBF0701039B9C0A0C at att.net> > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I read this list in digest form, so perhaps the > > question has already been answered. This is most > > definitely him: > > > > http://myworld.ebay.com/stephensank/ > > > > I used to keep in touch with Steve when we both > > lived in Albuquerque, but now that I'm in Chicago > > and he's in Tucson, I don't know how to contact him. > > > > The good news is that we can ignore the rumors. > > Reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated. > > > > Richard > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From theodore.weber at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 20:22:28 2008 From: theodore.weber at gmail.com (Theodore Weber) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:22:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone out here have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf ? In-Reply-To: <462715.17022.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <269764.79395.qm@web82311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <462715.17022.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47964277.1498600a.3136.ffffac41@mx.google.com> To All: I signed up for the Nak forum back awhile just to keep myself informed on the “goings-on”. As I have come to discover Nak lovers are every bit as dedicated of a group as Apple Mac lovers are (that’s serious). I sold audio for a few years back in my 20’s (which is now 30 years ago – that’s scary in itself thinking about it) and about the time the store I worked at became Nak authorized, I moved on to bigger and better adventures. A the time I wanted a Dragon – I see now that it was a mixed blessing thing. I DO know where there’s a Dragon that needs a little work and I’m not sure the guy will part with it – I won’t ask him and all it’s done since it’s real owner died is sit in a closet. But if someone wanted to talk to him I would probably give some fine soul the contact info and let them wing it. Now - back to the reason for this email: My business partner owns a recording studio and has two racks full of MR-2’s, an MR-1, a 680ZX and most importantly – a MR-1 Service Manual. I would have to scan it to get it into a pdf format. If someone REALLY needs this manual I would help them out, although the next couple of days are not good for me. If anyone has interest in MR-1’s, they are for sale cheap. He even bought a SoundTech analyzer to keep them performing properly. Another side note is that I had a very serious love affair with Nak’s Car audio division over a ten year period. I think I still have some of the original Nak amps (which are absolutely AWESOME pieces of gear), electronic crossovers, at least one head unit (which I know has problems – typical of their head units from my experience and knowledge), and maybe even a set of their 4” drivers that I used for midranges in one install. I think my oldest boy is eye’ing the Amps, for he has heard my preachings (see – I have a bit of this obsession myself!!). Thanks for reading and keep up the dedication – most of Naks’ products were phenomenal, the ones that weren’t – well, every one’s entitled to a mistake once in awhile. Regards, Theodore (Ted) Weber tdw at trc-montana.com TRC Solutions Inc. 118 W. Pine St. Missoula, MT 59802 (406) 880-8436 (406) 721-4172 This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or an employee or authorized agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please delete it and notify the sender immediately by telephone at the number provided above. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:17 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone out here have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf ? After uploading it so I could e-mail it to my work it displays 8.3 meg. Bob Bob Naylor wrote: Dave, I DO have the service manual for the BX300 in pdf. It's an 11+ meg file. If you want it I can e-mail it to you. Bob ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: Hi Anyone in the community have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf form that they could send me. Closest match that I have found so far is the MR-2 one on Ebaman Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:jeff at eslabs.com"jeff at eslabs.com To: HYPERLINK "mailto:naktalk at naks.com"Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Hi Steve, If you had inadvertently reassembled the cam control motor 180 degrees out of phase or re-connected the wires backwards, then the motor is running in the wrong direction. Simply, switch the motor wires to change it's direction. If it fails again or you want to replace it with a better version, I have at a couple of thousand in stock. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 HYPERLINK "mailto:jeff at nakamichi.us"jeff at nakamichi.us HYPERLINK "mailto:jeff at eslabs.com"jeff at eslabs.com HYPERLINK "http://www.nakamichi.us/"www.nakamichi.us ------------------------------------------------------- ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, include this e-mail within your reply. ------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:emersn at sonic.net"Stephen Emerson To: HYPERLINK "mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net"Tom Brucker ; HYPERLINK "mailto:naktalk at naks.com"Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Thanks, Tom (and Nadeem). What you say makes a lot of sense and it's good to understand better what those leaf switches do -- have been pretty unclear. I had cleaned those contacts with fine sandpaper and Deoxit. At this point all I can tell you is that when I bump the cam around so it closes a given switch, I do get continuity across the switch. Also they successfully open, so it's not like any are bent to stay closed. Further thoughts?? Nadeem, you're absolutely right about Rewind. Thx, Steve On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Try cleaning the cam switch contacts. They are designed to work > together, encoding the transports position so the micro knows when > to unmute and operate the reel motor. STOP, PLAY, FF/RW, REC, PAUSE > are the 5 states encoded by these 3 switches. Other combinations > exist, but the micro will not have instructions on what to do, so > it makes screwy combinations, like 2 lights lit, etc. I believe one > of the 3 switches is corroded. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Emerson >> Sent: Jan 15, 2008 6:46 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control >> >> Thanks to both Ron and Jeff. Agree on control logic. I don't have the >> schematic either. Further development: >> >> With the cam motor disconnected, it's now possible to get Fast >> Forward to work. But even then, the wrong buttons light up (mostly >> Pause and Play). The FF button never lights. >> >> Also with the cam motor disconnected, Rewind will work (but not >> light) -- but only briefly. >> >> Voltage flowing to the cam motor is a fairly consistent c. 6 volts. >> However, if I push together the two terminals of the middle leaf >> switch (in the cam-driven switch cluster), that voltage drops down >> to .5 volts. >> >> Jeff, conditions aren't that different from before servicing the >> motor. Multiple lights on the control switches were lit up then too. >> I could get the cam to turn a fraction of a turn by helping it with a >> screwdriver, but Play still failed. So I don't *think* I'm the >> culprit.... >> >> So far I've tested a few TO92 transistors that connect to either a >> logic gate or the terminals reaching the cam motor, all fine. >> >> Steve. >> >> >> On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Ron wrote: >> >>> >>> I have no idea, except to note that this is not >>> a common fault. It would seem that 'something' >>> is amiss in the control logic. >>> >>> To diagnose, I would resort to good old fashioned >>> troubleshooting. I would disconnect the control >>> motor (no sense in wearing it out), power the >>> unit and measure the drive voltage to the motor. >>> Then, I would measure back along the circuit path, >>> to see why it's powered on constantly. >>> >>> To do this, you'll need the service manual or, at >>> least, the schematic, neither of which I have. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Stephen Emerson wrote: >>>> >>>> I have disassembled, cleaned and lubed the cam motor and the motor >>>> is working well, so I don't think that's the problem. (Earlier on, >>>> the motor didn't work right either.) >>>> Here's what happens. >>>> --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor >>>> starts and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and >>>> down. Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again. >>>> --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. >>>> Soon as you turn on the deck. >>>> --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop >>>> and then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel >>>> motor both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam >>>> motor continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and >>>> down. >>>> --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount >>>> of pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. >>>> I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the >>>> other leaf switches. >>>> So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost >>>> seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or >>>> known test procedures. A bad processor IC might be terminal.... >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! 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Thanks anyway whatever U decide Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Theodore Weber To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Anyone out here have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf ? To All: I signed up for the Nak forum back awhile just to keep myself informed on the “goings-on”. As I have come to discover Nak lovers are every bit as dedicated of a group as Apple Mac lovers are (that’s serious). I sold audio for a few years back in my 20’s (which is now 30 years ago – that’s scary in itself thinking about it) and about the time the store I worked at became Nak authorized, I moved on to bigger and better adventures. A the time I wanted a Dragon – I see now that it was a mixed blessing thing. I DO know where there’s a Dragon that needs a little work and I’m not sure the guy will part with it – I won’t ask him and all it’s done since it’s real owner died is sit in a closet. But if someone wanted to talk to him I would probably give some fine soul the contact info and let them wing it. Now - back to the reason for this email: My business partner owns a recording studio and has two racks full of MR-2’s, an MR-1, a 680ZX and most importantly – a MR-1 Service Manual. I would have to scan it to get it into a pdf format. If someone REALLY needs this manual I would help them out, although the next couple of days are not good for me. If anyone has interest in MR-1’s, they are for sale cheap. He even bought a SoundTech analyzer to keep them performing properly. Another side note is that I had a very serious love affair with Nak’s Car audio division over a ten year period. I think I still have some of the original Nak amps (which are absolutely AWESOME pieces of gear), electronic crossovers, at least one head unit (which I know has problems – typical of their head units from my experience and knowledge), and maybe even a set of their 4” drivers that I used for midranges in one install. I think my oldest boy is eye’ing the Amps, for he has heard my preachings (see – I have a bit of this obsession myself!!). Thanks for reading and keep up the dedication – most of Naks’ products were phenomenal, the ones that weren’t – well, every one’s entitled to a mistake once in awhile. Regards, Theodore (Ted) Weber tdw at trc-montana.com TRC Solutions Inc. 118 W. Pine St. Missoula, MT 59802 (406) 880-8436 (406) 721-4172 This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or an employee or authorized agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please delete it and notify the sender immediately by telephone at the number provided above. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:17 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Anyone out here have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf ? After uploading it so I could e-mail it to my work it displays 8.3 meg. Bob Bob Naylor wrote: Dave, I DO have the service manual for the BX300 in pdf. It's an 11+ meg file. If you want it I can e-mail it to you. Bob ian.bowley1 at ntlworld.com wrote: Hi Anyone in the community have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf form that they could send me. Closest match that I have found so far is the MR-2 one on Ebaman Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff at eslabs.com To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Hi Steve, If you had inadvertently reassembled the cam control motor 180 degrees out of phase or re-connected the wires backwards, then the motor is running in the wrong direction. Simply, switch the motor wires to change it's direction. If it fails again or you want to replace it with a better version, I have at a couple of thousand in stock. Sincerely, Jeff Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" since 1975! ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 jeff at nakamichi.us jeff at eslabs.com www.nakamichi.us ------------------------------------------------------- ** NOTE ** To ensure my response, include this e-mail within your reply. ------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Emerson To: Tom Brucker ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control Thanks, Tom (and Nadeem). What you say makes a lot of sense and it's good to understand better what those leaf switches do -- have been pretty unclear. I had cleaned those contacts with fine sandpaper and Deoxit. At this point all I can tell you is that when I bump the cam around so it closes a given switch, I do get continuity across the switch. Also they successfully open, so it's not like any are bent to stay closed. Further thoughts?? Nadeem, you're absolutely right about Rewind. Thx, Steve On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Try cleaning the cam switch contacts. They are designed to work > together, encoding the transports position so the micro knows when > to unmute and operate the reel motor. STOP, PLAY, FF/RW, REC, PAUSE > are the 5 states encoded by these 3 switches. Other combinations > exist, but the micro will not have instructions on what to do, so > it makes screwy combinations, like 2 lights lit, etc. I believe one > of the 3 switches is corroded. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Emerson >> Sent: Jan 15, 2008 6:46 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR1a controls are out of control >> >> Thanks to both Ron and Jeff. Agree on control logic. I don't have the >> schematic either. Further development: >> >> With the cam motor disconnected, it's now possible to get Fast >> Forward to work. But even then, the wrong buttons light up (mostly >> Pause and Play). The FF button never lights. >> >> Also with the cam motor disconnected, Rewind will work (but not >> light) -- but only briefly. >> >> Voltage flowing to the cam motor is a fairly consistent c. 6 volts. >> However, if I push together the two terminals of the middle leaf >> switch (in the cam-driven switch cluster), that voltage drops down >> to .5 volts. >> >> Jeff, conditions aren't that different from before servicing the >> motor. Multiple lights on the control switches were lit up then too. >> I could get the cam to turn a fraction of a turn by helping it with a >> screwdriver, but Play still failed. So I don't *think* I'm the >> culprit.... >> >> So far I've tested a few TO92 transistors that connect to either a >> logic gate or the terminals reaching the cam motor, all fine. >> >> Steve. >> >> >> On Jan 15, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Ron wrote: >> >>> >>> I have no idea, except to note that this is not >>> a common fault. It would seem that 'something' >>> is amiss in the control logic. >>> >>> To diagnose, I would resort to good old fashioned >>> troubleshooting. I would disconnect the control >>> motor (no sense in wearing it out), power the >>> unit and measure the drive voltage to the motor. >>> Then, I would measure back along the circuit path, >>> to see why it's powered on constantly. >>> >>> To do this, you'll need the service manual or, at >>> least, the schematic, neither of which I have. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Stephen Emerson wrote: >>>> >>>> I have disassembled, cleaned and lubed the cam motor and the motor >>>> is working well, so I don't think that's the problem. (Earlier on, >>>> the motor didn't work right either.) >>>> Here's what happens. >>>> --Pretty much as soon as you turn the deck on, the cam motor >>>> starts and continues to turn, moving the head assembly up and >>>> down. Sometimes it stops for a moment, then does it again. >>>> --Control pad has both Play and Pause lit up almost all the time. >>>> Soon as you turn on the deck. >>>> --Sometimes you can then push Pause, or push Pause and then Stop >>>> and then Play, and get Play to start up (capstan motor and reel >>>> motor both turning) but then it stops almost immediately. The cam >>>> motor continues to turn, in any case, moving the head block up and >>>> down. >>>> --Rewind and Fast Forward controls are non-responsive. No amount >>>> of pushing will get them to light up or do anything else. >>>> I believe the cam-driven switch is working OK, along with the >>>> other leaf switches. >>>> So, from those so much more knowledgeable -- any ideas? It almost >>>> seems like a bad IC? I'm just hoping there's a "known issue" or >>>> known test procedures. 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URL: From roleo at telus.net Tue Jan 22 20:15:10 2008 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:15:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD References: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com><005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell><009d01c8578e$48cfa740$0401a8c0@home><20080120010616.555896af@blackbox.local.de> <00d601c85cf0$a1a7e320$0401a8c0@home> Message-ID: <003e01c85d2b$1bc4fa50$6401a8c0@INSPIRON> I have an extra set of the original NakTalk Marathon Tape CD's (2 discs). They have been kept in a non-humid climate in a dark drawer since I got them. With all the talk about trouble with the discs, I just tested them and they worked perfectly. If anyone is really interested in an original copy set, they can contact me offline at: roleo at telus.net -- Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aamir at smzinc.com Wed Jan 23 00:42:18 2008 From: aamir at smzinc.com (Aamir Nawaz) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:42:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair help needed - James Lee Message-ID: <47967F5A.1030603@smzinc.com> Hi all, I have a Nakamichi Dragon, that I have owned for about 5 years, I had it repaired once locally in Oklahoma, about couple of years back. At that time it would not play in the forward mode but would play ok in the reverse mode. I was happy with the repair and it didn't really cost me much at all. Well, the problem is back again and now I also hear a low screeching sound when the tape deck is idle, with or without the cassette in it. It still plays tapes in reverse, but starts giving up after the middle of the tape. It cannot play in forward at all, plays for about a second and then stops. I called up Stephen Sank to see if he can fix it for me. He politely refused but recommended James Lee in Toronto. So James, if you read this please email me at aamir at smzinc.com. I really cannot afford to get too expensive of a repair, so If James is not around either then please recommed someone who can do a decent job without breaking my bank. Thanks, Aamir From alfienoakes69 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 23 00:48:11 2008 From: alfienoakes69 at yahoo.co.uk (Alfie Noakes) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:48:11 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help!! Steve Sank In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" As I mentioned in a post earlier I have two 480's that are broken. They both have the same symptoms and therefore probably the same problem. The first one I got through strange circumstances. An uncle died intetestate, I don't know what from, and because of that I got a little bit of cash. So with part of my "inheritance" I decided to buy a three head cassette deck. My local shop used to have good sales (actually they still do) and they had a Hitachi 3 head deck going for a good price. So I bought it. But it didn't last long. So I took it back and asked for a loner while it was being repaired. They gave me a Hitachi 2 head deck, which was crap. So I went back and moaned. My 3 head Hitachi was not in sight so they offered me a 480. "It's another two head deck" I complained. "Trust us" they said. The Hitachi was never seen again and I was pleased. Well the 480 worked fine, a friend with a Revox was impressed - and he was French - if you can impress a Frenchman with your Hi-Fi you are doing well. After a few years the 480 developed a fault. The head carrier would not engage. So I bought a Sony TC-K1010 (or something like that) very clever, touch panel at the front, auto calibration, auto everything actually. But it didn't sound like the 480, even on Dolby B. One day I went to a friends office to meet him for lunch. There on the coffee table in reception was a 480. "What's that doing there" I said. "It's for sale." "How much?" "£15." "Does it work." "Take it home and try it." - It worked. Bargain. A year or so later it developed a fault: The head carrier would not engage. De ja vu. So out came the Sony from under the bed. Now the Sony has stopped working. Oh it's working again - but for how long. So I have two 480's with the same fault: The head carrier will not engage. Any ideas? Robbie PS I saw the post about AIDS and thought it was a joke. I smiled and said a silent prayer in case I was wrong. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Geoffrey Reynolds Sent: 22 January 2008 19:10 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Help!! Steve Sank I agree and am more than a bit surprised that it took this long for someone to say something - I wasn't around yesterday. As much as I've felt that Steve Sank has deserved the negative comments from people who have been unable to get in touch with him about the status of their decks sent in for repairs, it's a pretty low blow to say that he died of AIDS without facts to back up such a claim. IMO, the person who posted that comment should be ashamed of himself and banned from this list. If the comment was supposed to be funny, it failed miserably. -- Geoffrey Reynolds On 1/22/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: > I'm probably overly sensitive about this, but in this > society (US), when somebody wants to slander or ruin > someone else's reputation, they start a rumor that he > is gay and/or dying from AIDS. I doubt very much that > the intent of the rumor was to slander Steve as a used > needle junkie or that he got some contaminated blood. > Only a very small, ugly homophobic mind would start > such a rumor in the first place. Long live Steve and > his contributions to Naks. > > Kevin > > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:59:09 +0000 > > From: "Richard Obenauf" > > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Help!!Steve Sank > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: > > > > > <012120081359.17909.4794A52D0002D722000045F522193122529B0A02D29B9B0EBF070103 9B9C0A0C at att.net> > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I read this list in digest form, so perhaps the > > question has already been answered. This is most > > definitely him: > > > > http://myworld.ebay.com/stephensank/ > > > > I used to keep in touch with Steve when we both > > lived in Albuquerque, but now that I'm in Chicago > > and he's in Tucson, I don't know how to contact him. > > > > The good news is that we can ignore the rumors. > > Reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated. > > > > Richard > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From badanth at aim.com Wed Jan 23 01:13:50 2008 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:13:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? In-Reply-To: <47939150.2000006@rcn.com> References: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com><005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell><009d01c8578e$48cfa740$0401a8c0@home> <20080120010616.555896af@blackbox.local.de> <47939150.2000006@rcn.com> Message-ID: <8CA2B6BF6CF027B-CAC-48F5@WEBMAIL-DG03.sysops.aol.com> I recall my set had this problem right from the beginning. One disc plays mostly fine and the other one is all over the place. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 1:22 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? orders at pennysconstruction wrote:? > [.....]? ? > Audio CD format is a very poor design in the first place, there is no > error correction, and no way to verify data built in to the disk > (included on the disk).? ? This is patently incorrect. There is a very? robust error correction facility in red book? CDs. If there wasn't, the format would be? useless.? ? I believe any errors up to consecutive 81 bits? can be corrected though I may be lying here...? ? -- Ron? ? > There are however ways to compress the audio, > and have built in data to verify that the data is complete. You still > use an outside program to check, but the files are on the disk itself. > They way you can copy the data files over and over, each copy will be > exactly the same (exactly) as long as you can verify the data. The > compression is similar to MP3 but does not remove anything. The > un-compressed audio is exactly the same as the original. This is done by > combining the repeating patterns rather than removing some material. I > brought that up, because you can make a copy of the original audio > files, compress them, put in the check sums, and then pass those disks > on to each other. Each person copies the disk, verifies the data, and > sends the original on to the next person.? > Thanks Mike? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" > ? > To: ? > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:06 PM? > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery??? > > >> Hi,? >>? >> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:49:59 -0000? >> "TERRY FINN" wrote:? >>? >>> I didn't think I would be the only one! What number are yours?? >>>? >>> Don't think its down to storage as my second set had never been out? >>> of the original jiffy bag they came in and have the same problem.? >>? >>? >> I just checked my to CD's -- number one is the original with that? >> globes and glued label -- which is unreadable now, the drives (reader,? >> burner, audio player) are not even recognising it as an audio CD (but? >> CD was quite ok when I got it). The second one is already a copy -- If I? >> remember correctly because my regular audio CD player couldn't handle? >> the glued paper label on that one. This copy is still fine.? >>? >> So I'm also one CD down :-(? >>? >>? >>? >> Maybe the glued label does something to the CD over time?? >>? >>? >>? >> K.-H.? >? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist? Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM(R) Mail ! - http://webmail.aim.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 22 23:34:42 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:34:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Anyone out here have an MR-1 service manual in .pdf ? Message-ID: <28609624.1201041282221.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Wed Jan 23 14:00:05 2008 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:00:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help!! Steve Sank In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47973A55.8070705@snet.net> When it tries to play, do you hear the sound of motor running inside? What you are describing sounds possibly as simply as the control belt being too loose to engage the head block. Since this is an inevitable condition, it would make sense that the second deck would eventually develop the same problem. BTW, the belt is really simple to replace. Ed Alfie Noakes wrote: >To "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >As I mentioned in a post earlier I have two 480's that are broken. They both >have the same symptoms and therefore probably the same problem. > > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 23 15:54:10 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:54:10 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair help needed - James Lee Message-ID: <20500456.1201100050530.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> What you need are lamp replacements on the two reel sensor boards. You may also need a reel motor to cure the intermittent stop problem. Screeching in play is typically a lubrication issue, but yours is probably a slipping cam belt. For any service referral it would help to know where in the world you are! In the US, ESLabs, Willy Herman, and I all repair Nak Dragons. I believe Robert Kent might also. I am not familiar with James Lee, but if someone can contact him it would be nice to add him to our NakTalk group! tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Aamir Nawaz >Sent: Jan 22, 2008 5:42 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair help needed - James Lee > >Hi all, >I have a Nakamichi Dragon, that I have owned for about 5 years, I had it >repaired once locally in Oklahoma, about couple of years back. At that >time it would not play in the forward mode but would play ok in the >reverse mode. I was happy with the repair and it didn't really cost me >much at all. Well, the problem is back again and now I also hear a low >screeching sound when the tape deck is idle, with or without the >cassette in it. It still plays tapes in reverse, but starts giving up >after the middle of the tape. It cannot play in forward at all, plays >for about a second and then stops. I called up Stephen Sank to see if he >can fix it for me. He politely refused but recommended James Lee in >Toronto. So James, if you read this please email me at aamir at >smzinc.com. I really cannot afford to get too expensive of a repair, so >If James is not around either then please recommed someone who can do a >decent job without breaking my bank. > >Thanks, >Aamir >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 23 15:39:59 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:39:59 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help!! Steve Sank Message-ID: <19992817.1201099199313.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Alfie, Both 480s need new cam belts. This is a 5" belt that is fairly easy to find and install. While you are inside, a new capstan belt could be installed. Both jobs are DIY. Belts can be found on eBay from Marrs Communications. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Alfie Noakes >Sent: Jan 22, 2008 5:48 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Help!! Steve Sank > >To "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > >As I mentioned in a post earlier I have two 480's that are broken. They both >have the same symptoms and therefore probably the same problem. > >The first one I got through strange circumstances. An uncle died >intetestate, I don't know what from, and because of that I got a little bit >of cash. So with part of my "inheritance" I decided to buy a three head >cassette deck. My local shop used to have good sales (actually they still >do) and they had a Hitachi 3 head deck going for a good price. So I bought >it. But it didn't last long. So I took it back and asked for a loner while >it was being repaired. They gave me a Hitachi 2 head deck, which was crap. >So I went back and moaned. My 3 head Hitachi was not in sight so they >offered me a 480. "It's another two head deck" I complained. "Trust us" they >said. The Hitachi was never seen again and I was pleased. > >Well the 480 worked fine, a friend with a Revox was impressed - and he was >French - if you can impress a Frenchman with your Hi-Fi you are doing well. > >After a few years the 480 developed a fault. The head carrier would not >engage. So I bought a Sony TC-K1010 (or something like that) very clever, >touch panel at the front, auto calibration, auto everything actually. But it >didn't sound like the 480, even on Dolby B. > >One day I went to a friends office to meet him for lunch. There on the >coffee table in reception was a 480. > >"What's that doing there" I said. > >"It's for sale." > >"How much?" > >"£15." > >"Does it work." > >"Take it home and try it." - It worked. Bargain. > >A year or so later it developed a fault: The head carrier would not engage. >De ja vu. So out came the Sony from under the bed. > >Now the Sony has stopped working. Oh it's working again - but for how long. > >So I have two 480's with the same fault: The head carrier will not engage. > >Any ideas? > >Robbie > >PS I saw the post about AIDS and thought it was a joke. I smiled and said a >silent prayer in case I was wrong. > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Geoffrey Reynolds >Sent: 22 January 2008 19:10 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Help!! Steve Sank > >I agree and am more than a bit surprised that it took this long for >someone to say something - I wasn't around yesterday. > >As much as I've felt that Steve Sank has deserved the negative >comments from people who have been unable to get in touch with him >about the status of their decks sent in for repairs, it's a pretty low >blow to say that he died of AIDS without facts to back up such a >claim. IMO, the person who posted that comment should be ashamed of >himself and banned from this list. If the comment was supposed to be >funny, it failed miserably. >-- >Geoffrey Reynolds > >On 1/22/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: >> I'm probably overly sensitive about this, but in this >> society (US), when somebody wants to slander or ruin >> someone else's reputation, they start a rumor that he >> is gay and/or dying from AIDS. I doubt very much that >> the intent of the rumor was to slander Steve as a used >> needle junkie or that he got some contaminated blood. >> Only a very small, ugly homophobic mind would start >> such a rumor in the first place. Long live Steve and >> his contributions to Naks. >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> > Message: 2 >> > Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:59:09 +0000 >> > From: "Richard Obenauf" >> > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Help!!Steve Sank >> > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > Message-ID: >> > >> > >> ><012120081359.17909.4794A52D0002D722000045F522193122529B0A02D29B9B0EBF070103 >9B9C0A0C at att.net> >> > >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > I read this list in digest form, so perhaps the >> > question has already been answered. This is most >> > definitely him: >> > >> > http://myworld.ebay.com/stephensank/ >> > >> > I used to keep in touch with Steve when we both >> > lived in Albuquerque, but now that I'm in Chicago >> > and he's in Tucson, I don't know how to contact him. >> > >> > The good news is that we can ignore the rumors. >> > Reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated. >> > >> > Richard >> > >> >> >> >> >____________________________________________________________________________ >________ >> Be a better friend, newshound, and >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From willyherm at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 18:53:00 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:53:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair help needed - James Lee In-Reply-To: <47967F5A.1030603@smzinc.com> Message-ID: <47977f01.15528c0a.029b.ffffeb41@mx.google.com> Aamir: I am back to doing a bit of Nak repair these days. It depends on how you define "break the bank". Contact me off the forum at willyherm at gmail.com. Willy Hermann -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Aamir Nawaz Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair help needed - James Lee Hi all, I have a Nakamichi Dragon, that I have owned for about 5 years, I had it repaired once locally in Oklahoma, about couple of years back. At that time it would not play in the forward mode but would play ok in the reverse mode. I was happy with the repair and it didn't really cost me much at all. Well, the problem is back again and now I also hear a low screeching sound when the tape deck is idle, with or without the cassette in it. It still plays tapes in reverse, but starts giving up after the middle of the tape. It cannot play in forward at all, plays for about a second and then stops. I called up Stephen Sank to see if he can fix it for me. He politely refused but recommended James Lee in Toronto. So James, if you read this please email me at aamir at smzinc.com. I really cannot afford to get too expensive of a repair, so If James is not around either then please recommed someone who can do a decent job without breaking my bank. Thanks, Aamir ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Wed Jan 23 19:19:57 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:19:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Modification of Record Eq. Amp. Circuit Message-ID: Hi everyone! I have recently entered the world of Nakamichi cassette decks and so have a limited info regarding some technical issues. So far I have acquired a Cassette Deck 1, CR-3 and a CR-4 but a CR-7 is big on the wishlist. Going through some of the recent threads here I found some mention of the modifcation of record equilizer amp. circuit on the CR-7. I have also seen quite a few CR-7s for sale on different sites which do not mention if the deck needs or has this modfication done. So I am curious to know if this mod is really significant and a must or do all CR-7s sound and record great without this mod? And also, what I should look for and what to avoid? Your help will be appreciated. Regards, Nadeem _________________________________________________________________ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orders at pennysconstruction.com Thu Jan 24 06:11:09 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:11:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? References: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com><005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell><009d01c8578e$48cfa740$0401a8c0@home> <20080120010616.555896af@blackbox.local.de> <47939150.2000006@rcn.com> Message-ID: <34E02C275F67455BBDFF49B250D8B94B@number2> I looked and was able to find web sites that say the CD format has error correction, but like someone once told me "If that were the case there would be no need for a program like EAC" The error correction is for playback and data. In anycase the fact that you need a program like Exact Audio Copy (EAC) is because the audio CD format IS hard to copy. I'm trying to say there is a difference between audio and data CD's (or CDr's). Data disks do have error correction, and as I mentioned there is a way to store audio on a CDr (or DVDr) in a data format. You can also include extra information (check sums) to make sure you have an exact copy (not one speck of data added or missing). The process of extracting the audio from a CD, is called Digital Audio Extraction (DAE), a.k.a. ripping a disk. The most common error you will find in a poor copy is a digital error (a tick sound) (digi error). Here is the best explanation I found today. http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.aspx?i=107 And here is the best DAE program, with more info. Read how it goes about checking the data. http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ There are other great programs out there now, like Plextors, Plex tools, and Mac computers have one too. Being the audio purists that we are, I would think would strive to do the best job possible. So this is why I looked into this in the first place. I was also unable to get anybody to help out with this reply, so there may still errors here. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? > orders at pennysconstruction wrote: >> [.....] > >> Audio CD format is a very poor design in the first place, there is no >> error correction, and no way to verify data built in to the disk >> (included on the disk). > > This is patently incorrect. There is a very > robust error correction facility in red book > CDs. If there wasn't, the format would be > useless. > > I believe any errors up to consecutive 81 bits > can be corrected though I may be lying here... > > -- Ron > > >> There are however ways to compress the audio, and have built in data to >> verify that the data is complete. You still use an outside program to >> check, but the files are on the disk itself. They way you can copy the >> data files over and over, each copy will be exactly the same (exactly) as >> long as you can verify the data. The compression is similar to MP3 but >> does not remove anything. The un-compressed audio is exactly the same as >> the original. This is done by combining the repeating patterns rather >> than removing some material. I brought that up, because you can make a >> copy of the original audio files, compress them, put in the check sums, >> and then pass those disks on to each other. Each person copies the disk, >> verifies the data, and sends the original on to the next person. >> Thanks Mike >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" >> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:49:59 -0000 >>> "TERRY FINN" wrote: >>> >>>> I didn't think I would be the only one! What number are yours? >>>> >>>> Don't think its down to storage as my second set had never been out >>>> of the original jiffy bag they came in and have the same problem. >>> >>> >>> I just checked my to CD's -- number one is the original with that >>> globes and glued label -- which is unreadable now, the drives (reader, >>> burner, audio player) are not even recognising it as an audio CD (but >>> CD was quite ok when I got it). The second one is already a copy -- If I >>> remember correctly because my regular audio CD player couldn't handle >>> the glued paper label on that one. This copy is still fine. >>> >>> So I'm also one CD down :-( >>> >>> >>> >>> Maybe the glued label does something to the CD over time? >>> >>> >>> >>> K.-H. >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From benstratford at aol.co.uk Thu Jan 24 11:17:31 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 05:17:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair help needed - James Lee In-Reply-To: <47977f01.15528c0a.029b.ffffeb41@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8CA2C897705D135-87C-1DB8@Webmail-mg01.sim.aol.com> Willy, Thanks for an excellent service job on my ZX-9. New Zealand to California and Back - all in 3 weeks! Cheers, Ben. -----Original Message----- From: Willy Hermann To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 6:53 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon Repair help needed - James Lee Aamir: I am back to doing a bit of Nak repair these days. It depends on how you define "break the bank". Contact me off the forum at willyherm at gmail.com. Willy Hermann -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Aamir Nawaz Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Repair help needed - James Lee Hi all, I have a Nakamichi Dragon, that I have owned for about 5 years, I had it repaired once locally in Oklahoma, about couple of years back. At that time it would not play in the forward mode but would play ok in the reverse mode. I was happy with the repair and it didn't really cost me much at all. Well, the problem is back again and now I also hear a low screeching sound when the tape deck is idle, with or without the cassette in it. It still plays tapes in reverse, but starts giving up after the middle of the tape. It cannot play in forward at all, plays for about a second and then stops. I called up Stephen Sank to see if he can fix it for me. He politely refused but recommended James Lee in Toronto. So James, if you read this please email me at aamir at smzinc.com. I really cannot afford to get too expensive of a repair, so If James is not around either then please recommed someone who can do a decent job without breaking my bank. 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Pacific Standard Time, mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk writes: So I am curious to know if this mod is really significant and a must or do all CR-7s sound and record great without this mod? And also, what I should look for and what to avoid? Hi Nadeem, Let me put it this way - the modification is audible. If you can hear it, it's significant. CR-7's without the mod do not have very good high-frequency response especially in recording. Jeff W **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Jan 24 15:28:07 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:28:07 EST Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk new question Message-ID: HI Again, 8hrs period is too long! I have a variac and it shouldn't take you more than 5 to 10 minutes at most this really applies more to tube electronics than solid state gear but again it might be a great idea to use a variac for powering any time of old electornic gear , the reason is large electroyltic capacitors some of which look like soda can specially in high power solid state amps and tube amplifier over a period the electrolyt or paste inside these capacitor sometime dry up and when receiving full line voltage all of a sudden they can even explode! i know from experience when power an old tube amp I purchased.Also if the cap get hot when you touch it that is sign of troub In a message dated 1/24/2008 9:21:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BOEING747600 at aol.com writes: Hi Eric, yes this is so true! specially for tube electronics like tube amps, tuners, etc Ali In a message dated 1/24/2008 9:01:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, frwhl at yahoo.com writes: Greetings- I have been to that NAK gear left in storage over a year should always be plugged in to a Variac and that one can gradually "step" the voltage over an 8 hour period to prevent electronic shock from lack of use. Is this true for all older gear? Eric ____________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? _Find them fast with Yahoo! 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Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jan 24 15:59:34 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:59:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? In-Reply-To: <34E02C275F67455BBDFF49B250D8B94B@number2> References: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com><005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell><009d01c8578e$48cfa740$0401a8c0@home> <20080120010616.555896af@blackbox.local.de> <47939150.2000006@rcn.com> <34E02C275F67455BBDFF49B250D8B94B@number2> Message-ID: <4798A7D6.5080201@rcn.com> orders at pennysconstruction wrote: > I looked and was able to find web sites that say the CD format has error > correction, but like someone once told me "If that were the case there > would be no need for a program like EAC" I don't know who told you that, except that the person was not an engineer. Regardless of how robust an ECC scheme is, there is always a large enough number of errors that the scheme cannot handle. (In the ultimate case: when the whole disc is destroyed.) Every error detection/correction scheme under the sun is based on the inclusion of extra bits. The number of those extra bits determines the robustness of the scheme. For example, including one bit per byte allows detection of odd number of errors, but not an even number of errors and no correction. IIRC, the red book scheme uses 6 extra bits per byte. That's fairly robust. At the physical level, there is no difference between data and music CDs. The disc simple carries a bit stream. It could represent data, music, programs, pictures, graphics or a host of other things. -- Ron > > The error correction is for playback and data. In anycase the fact that > you need a program like Exact Audio Copy (EAC) is because the audio CD > format IS hard to copy. I'm trying to say there is a difference between > audio and data CD's (or CDr's). Data disks do have error correction, and > as I mentioned there is a way to store audio on a CDr (or DVDr) in a > data format. You can also include extra information (check sums) to make > sure you have an exact copy (not one speck of data added or missing). > The process of extracting the audio from a CD, is called Digital Audio > Extraction (DAE), a.k.a. ripping a disk. The most common error you will > find in a poor copy is a digital error (a tick sound) (digi error). > Here is the best explanation I found today. > http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.aspx?i=107 > And here is the best DAE program, with more info. Read how it goes about > checking the data. > http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ > There are other great programs out there now, like Plextors, Plex tools, > and Mac computers have one too. > Being the audio purists that we are, I would think would strive to do > the best job possible. So this is why I looked into this in the first > place. > I was also unable to get anybody to help out with this reply, so there > may still errors here. > Thanks Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 12:22 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? > > >> orders at pennysconstruction wrote: >>> [.....] >> >>> Audio CD format is a very poor design in the first place, there is no >>> error correction, and no way to verify data built in to the disk >>> (included on the disk). >> >> This is patently incorrect. There is a very >> robust error correction facility in red book >> CDs. If there wasn't, the format would be >> useless. >> >> I believe any errors up to consecutive 81 bits >> can be corrected though I may be lying here... >> >> -- Ron >> >> >>> There are however ways to compress the audio, and have built in data >>> to verify that the data is complete. You still use an outside program >>> to check, but the files are on the disk itself. They way you can copy >>> the data files over and over, each copy will be exactly the same >>> (exactly) as long as you can verify the data. The compression is >>> similar to MP3 but does not remove anything. The un-compressed audio >>> is exactly the same as the original. This is done by combining the >>> repeating patterns rather than removing some material. I brought that >>> up, because you can make a copy of the original audio files, compress >>> them, put in the check sums, and then pass those disks on to each >>> other. Each person copies the disk, verifies the data, and sends the >>> original on to the next person. >>> Thanks Mike >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:49:59 -0000 >>>> "TERRY FINN" wrote: >>>> >>>>> I didn't think I would be the only one! What number are yours? >>>>> >>>>> Don't think its down to storage as my second set had never been out >>>>> of the original jiffy bag they came in and have the same problem. >>>> >>>> >>>> I just checked my to CD's -- number one is the original with that >>>> globes and glued label -- which is unreadable now, the drives (reader, >>>> burner, audio player) are not even recognising it as an audio CD (but >>>> CD was quite ok when I got it). The second one is already a copy -- >>>> If I >>>> remember correctly because my regular audio CD player couldn't handle >>>> the glued paper label on that one. This copy is still fine. >>>> >>>> So I'm also one CD down :-( >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Maybe the glued label does something to the CD over time? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> K.-H. From theodore.weber at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 15:45:03 2008 From: theodore.weber at gmail.com (Theodore Weber) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:45:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? In-Reply-To: <34E02C275F67455BBDFF49B250D8B94B@number2> References: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com><005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell><009d01c8578e$48cfa740$0401a8c0@home> <20080120010616.555896af@blackbox.local.de> <47939150.2000006@rcn.com> <34E02C275F67455BBDFF49B250D8B94B@number2> Message-ID: <4798a474.1997600a.71ea.1188@mx.google.com> Hello: I work with robotic duplicators (which I have to say are far from flawless) and as another part of business we deal with the forensic aspects of CD/DVD's. I have recently found a gentleman (and his company) to be tremendously helpful in our endeavors. His name is Paul Crowley, his Company is "Infinadyne" and he has a book out entitled "CD & DVD Forensics" and while by its basic nature is fairly dry reading it IS laid out well and addresses a lot of the issues you mention. He also has a piece of software that is pretty slick called "CD/DVD Inspector". I hope this helps - I wished I had known about Paul and his company a while back. I would have made different purchasing decisions on some of our equipment. At 10-15k per unit for the duplicators (and we've been through a few), informed decisions and knowledge of technology are a beautiful thing. Regards, Theodore (Ted) Weber tdw at trc-montana.com TRC Solutions Inc. 118 W. Pine St. Missoula, MT 59802 (406) 880-8436 (406) 721-4172 This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or an employee or authorized agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is prohibited.  If you have received this communication in error, please delete it and notify the sender immediately by telephone at the number provided above.   -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of orders at pennysconstruction Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:11 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? I looked and was able to find web sites that say the CD format has error correction, but like someone once told me "If that were the case there would be no need for a program like EAC" The error correction is for playback and data. In anycase the fact that you need a program like Exact Audio Copy (EAC) is because the audio CD format IS hard to copy. I'm trying to say there is a difference between audio and data CD's (or CDr's). Data disks do have error correction, and as I mentioned there is a way to store audio on a CDr (or DVDr) in a data format. You can also include extra information (check sums) to make sure you have an exact copy (not one speck of data added or missing). The process of extracting the audio from a CD, is called Digital Audio Extraction (DAE), a.k.a. ripping a disk. The most common error you will find in a poor copy is a digital error (a tick sound) (digi error). Here is the best explanation I found today. http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.aspx?i=107 And here is the best DAE program, with more info. Read how it goes about checking the data. http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ There are other great programs out there now, like Plextors, Plex tools, and Mac computers have one too. Being the audio purists that we are, I would think would strive to do the best job possible. So this is why I looked into this in the first place. I was also unable to get anybody to help out with this reply, so there may still errors here. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? > orders at pennysconstruction wrote: >> [.....] > >> Audio CD format is a very poor design in the first place, there is no >> error correction, and no way to verify data built in to the disk >> (included on the disk). > > This is patently incorrect. There is a very > robust error correction facility in red book > CDs. If there wasn't, the format would be > useless. > > I believe any errors up to consecutive 81 bits > can be corrected though I may be lying here... > > -- Ron > > >> There are however ways to compress the audio, and have built in data to >> verify that the data is complete. You still use an outside program to >> check, but the files are on the disk itself. They way you can copy the >> data files over and over, each copy will be exactly the same (exactly) as >> long as you can verify the data. The compression is similar to MP3 but >> does not remove anything. The un-compressed audio is exactly the same as >> the original. This is done by combining the repeating patterns rather >> than removing some material. I brought that up, because you can make a >> copy of the original audio files, compress them, put in the check sums, >> and then pass those disks on to each other. Each person copies the disk, >> verifies the data, and sends the original on to the next person. >> Thanks Mike >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" >> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:49:59 -0000 >>> "TERRY FINN" wrote: >>> >>>> I didn't think I would be the only one! What number are yours? >>>> >>>> Don't think its down to storage as my second set had never been out >>>> of the original jiffy bag they came in and have the same problem. >>> >>> >>> I just checked my to CD's -- number one is the original with that >>> globes and glued label -- which is unreadable now, the drives (reader, >>> burner, audio player) are not even recognising it as an audio CD (but >>> CD was quite ok when I got it). The second one is already a copy -- If I >>> remember correctly because my regular audio CD player couldn't handle >>> the glued paper label on that one. This copy is still fine. >>> >>> So I'm also one CD down :-( >>> >>> >>> >>> Maybe the glued label does something to the CD over time? >>> >>> >>> >>> K.-H. >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1240 - Release Date: 1/23/2008 5:47 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1240 - Release Date: 1/23/2008 5:47 PM From tpfinn at btinternet.com Thu Jan 24 21:44:43 2008 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:44:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? References: <858906.92996.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com><005801c85774$a0e8bfd0$6400000a@caldwell><009d01c8578e$48cfa740$0401a8c0@home> <20080120010616.555896af@blackbox.local.de> <47939150.2000006@rcn.com><34E02C275F67455BBDFF49B250D8B94B@number2> <4798A7D6.5080201@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001501c85ec9$f3548860$0401a8c0@home> For those of you who are still confused, can I suggest you go to the following link which has most things covered relating to the Original Red book standard which started life around 1980 All the Rainbow (!) books get a mention as well. Plus links into all aspects of Digital Bits and Bytes ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_(audio_CD_standard) Should keep you occupied for a while....... Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? > orders at pennysconstruction wrote: > > I looked and was able to find web sites that say the CD format has error > > correction, but like someone once told me "If that were the case there > > would be no need for a program like EAC" > > I don't know who told you that, except that > the person was not an engineer. Regardless > of how robust an ECC scheme is, there is > always a large enough number of errors that > the scheme cannot handle. (In the ultimate > case: when the whole disc is destroyed.) > > Every error detection/correction scheme > under the sun is based on the inclusion of > extra bits. The number of those extra bits > determines the robustness of the scheme. > For example, including one bit per byte > allows detection of odd number of errors, > but not an even number of errors and no > correction. IIRC, the red book scheme uses > 6 extra bits per byte. That's fairly robust. > > At the physical level, there is no > difference between data and music CDs. The > disc simple carries a bit stream. It could > represent data, music, programs, pictures, > graphics or a host of other things. > > -- Ron > > > > > > > The error correction is for playback and data. In anycase the fact that > > you need a program like Exact Audio Copy (EAC) is because the audio CD > > format IS hard to copy. I'm trying to say there is a difference between > > audio and data CD's (or CDr's). Data disks do have error correction, and > > as I mentioned there is a way to store audio on a CDr (or DVDr) in a > > data format. You can also include extra information (check sums) to make > > sure you have an exact copy (not one speck of data added or missing). > > The process of extracting the audio from a CD, is called Digital Audio > > Extraction (DAE), a.k.a. ripping a disk. The most common error you will > > find in a poor copy is a digital error (a tick sound) (digi error). > > Here is the best explanation I found today. > > http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.aspx?i=107 > > And here is the best DAE program, with more info. Read how it goes about > > checking the data. > > http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ > > There are other great programs out there now, like Plextors, Plex tools, > > and Mac computers have one too. > > Being the audio purists that we are, I would think would strive to do > > the best job possible. So this is why I looked into this in the first > > place. > > I was also unable to get anybody to help out with this reply, so there > > may still errors here. > > Thanks Mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 12:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? > > > > > >> orders at pennysconstruction wrote: > >>> [.....] > >> > >>> Audio CD format is a very poor design in the first place, there is no > >>> error correction, and no way to verify data built in to the disk > >>> (included on the disk). > >> > >> This is patently incorrect. There is a very > >> robust error correction facility in red book > >> CDs. If there wasn't, the format would be > >> useless. > >> > >> I believe any errors up to consecutive 81 bits > >> can be corrected though I may be lying here... > >> > >> -- Ron > >> > >> > >>> There are however ways to compress the audio, and have built in data > >>> to verify that the data is complete. You still use an outside program > >>> to check, but the files are on the disk itself. They way you can copy > >>> the data files over and over, each copy will be exactly the same > >>> (exactly) as long as you can verify the data. The compression is > >>> similar to MP3 but does not remove anything. The un-compressed audio > >>> is exactly the same as the original. This is done by combining the > >>> repeating patterns rather than removing some material. I brought that > >>> up, because you can make a copy of the original audio files, compress > >>> them, put in the check sums, and then pass those disks on to each > >>> other. Each person copies the disk, verifies the data, and sends the > >>> original on to the next person. > >>> Thanks Mike > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" > >>> > >>> To: > >>> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:06 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:49:59 -0000 > >>>> "TERRY FINN" wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I didn't think I would be the only one! What number are yours? > >>>>> > >>>>> Don't think its down to storage as my second set had never been out > >>>>> of the original jiffy bag they came in and have the same problem. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I just checked my to CD's -- number one is the original with that > >>>> globes and glued label -- which is unreadable now, the drives (reader, > >>>> burner, audio player) are not even recognising it as an audio CD (but > >>>> CD was quite ok when I got it). The second one is already a copy -- > >>>> If I > >>>> remember correctly because my regular audio CD player couldn't handle > >>>> the glued paper label on that one. This copy is still fine. > >>>> > >>>> So I'm also one CD down :-( > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Maybe the glued label does something to the CD over time? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> K.-H. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1240 - Release Date: 23/01/08 17:47 > > From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Thu Jan 24 22:06:42 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:06:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Modification of Record Eq. Amp. Circuit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jeff! While browsing through the NakTalk document resource page posted here by a member, I came across the original Nakamich document describing the mod in detail. It says that they have modified the record eq. amp. circuit from serial number A13008677. This document is dated 22 May 1987. So will I be right in assuming that all CR-7 decks manufactured after this serial number already have this factory mod? Also, are there any negative side effects of this mod on recording capability of the deck? Lastly, I don't know wether I should be asking this question here, but, what should be a rough guide price of a 20 year old fully working CR-7 in almost new condition which has never been serviced and mostly kept in storage? Regards, Nadeem From: Bansijeff at aol.comDate: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:01:29 -0500Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Modification of Record Eq. Amp. CircuitTo: naktalk at naks.com In a message dated 1/24/2008 12:12:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk writes: So I am curious to know if this mod is really significant and a must or do all CR-7s sound and record great without this mod? And also, what I should look for and what to avoid? Hi Nadeem, Let me put it this way - the modification is audible. If you can hear it, it's significant. CR-7's without the mod do not have very good high-frequency response especially in recording. Jeff W Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. _________________________________________________________________ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jan 24 22:39:26 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:39:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Modification of Record Eq. Amp. Circuit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080124214059.JEWJ129.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Nadeem, I realize someone else answered your question about the necessity of the EQ mod, but if you want to read up some more about the mod, go here http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#CR-7%20Record%20Eq%20Correction and do a global text search for CR-7A Record Equalization Correction . And of course, feel free to look around that website!! Tremendous amount of info for all models. Roland At 01:19 PM 1/23/2008, you wrote: >Hi everyone! > >I have recently entered the world of Nakamichi cassette decks and so >have a limited info regarding some technical issues. So far I have >acquired a Cassette Deck 1, CR-3 and a CR-4 but a CR-7 is big on the wishlist. > >Going through some of the recent threads here I found some mention >of the modifcation of record equilizer amp. circuit on the CR-7. I >have also seen quite a few CR-7s for sale on different sites which >do not mention if the deck needs or has this modfication done. > >So I am curious to know if this mod is really significant and a must >or do all CR-7s sound and record great without this mod? And also, >what I should look for and what to avoid? > >Your help will be appreciated. > >Regards, >Nadeem > > > >---------- >She said what? About who? Shameful >celebrity quotes on Search Star! >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jan 24 22:58:15 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:58:15 EST Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Modification of Record Eq. Amp. Circuit Message-ID: In a message dated 1/24/2008 1:45:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk writes: It says that they have modified the record eq. amp. circuit from serial number A13008677. This document is dated 22 May 1987. So will I be right in assuming that all CR-7 decks manufactured after this serial number already have this factory mod? Also, are there any negative side effects of this mod on recording capability of the deck? Lastly, I don't know wether I should be asking this question here, but, what should be a rough guide price of a 20 year old fully working CR-7 in almost new condition which has never been serviced and mostly kept in storage? Hi Nadeem, Right, all CR-7's with the serial number higher than 8677 have the record circuit modification. The serial number for the gear modification is around 12000 I believe, but I'm not sure of that. Maybe someone has the exact number. "Kept in storage" is usually a minus, not a plus. The CR-7 belongs to the group of Sankyo transport machines which have problems due to dis-use, namely dead spots in the motors. I have a CR-4 which has a dead spot in the drive motor and I've learned about this problem the hard way. I bought it off Craigslist - when I picked it up it worked, and then a few days later it came to rest in the dead spot and I realized I'd been had. The reel motor and cam motor can be easily replaced as there are available substitutes, but the drive motor (which the CR-4 and 7 share) is hard to replace. It's also hard to rebuild, as there are magnetic characteristics which make this motor hard to take apart and harder to reassemble. I'm still looking for a broken-down BX-300 or some other deck with a good direct-drive motor to use as a donor deck to fix that CR-4. I don't know what to tell you about the price. A deck is worth whatever you can get for it. Prices on eBay are not always a good guide, as there is shill bidding which can drive the average up. There was a 610 pre-amp selling today which had very suspicious bidding by a guy with only 2 feedbacks, which is often a sign of shill bidding. What a deck is worth really depends on its condition, and that's pretty hard to establish by email. all the best Jeff **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 25 01:07:10 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:07:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How may I contact Scott Johnson? Message-ID: I've been trying to contact Scott Johnson, but no success. Can anyone on Naktalk help me out? Thanks. - Mark Exstedt Phoenix, Az. _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danzone7 at aol.com Fri Jan 25 03:46:41 2008 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:46:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] FYI - Possibly Useful Nak Test equipment in SF Bay Area In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0a0001c85efc$849de910$0307a8c0@DR1> All you San Francisco Bay Area Naktalkers who are more technically inclined than I (it's pretty much all unfamiliar to me), here is a new posting on Craigslist for tech equipment that was posted an hour ago: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele/550602393.html I can't vouch for the seller and I have no affiliation - this posting is about an hour old. Hopefully this is useful to someone. Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernardsda at hotmail.com Fri Jan 25 06:11:49 2008 From: bernardsda at hotmail.com (Bernard White) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:11:49 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! In-Reply-To: <4790B536.2080004@marrscommunications.com> References: <4790B536.2080004@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: I haven't noticed any responses to this news, yet - though it may be that in my busy rush I simply missed them. This is great news, Fred. Thanks for the effort. Bernard> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:18:30 -0600> From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY !> > Hello to the group,> After much deliberation, I made the decision to have the Original > Nakamichi OCO8096C belt manufactured. Production started this week. The > selling price is yet to be determined. I noticed some recent > conversation about belts posted here lately, and thought I would share > this information. With the success of my belt for the Sankyo transport > as "confirmed" by Dan Barham with his WOW/FLUTTER measurements posted > here on Naktalk, this should "ease some minds" about my kits for the > "Classic" transport. One VERY important specification I am proud of, and > is in my contract with the manufacturer is "run out", ( the tolerance of > the cross section throughout the total I.C. of the belt ) which is +/- > 0.001%. Although I have NO, NONE, ZIP, complaints about he capstan belt > I have been using in my Kits for the "Classic" transport in the past, I > thought this might put the 8096C problem to bed. Thanks to all. Fred Marrs.> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 19:18:32 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:18:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? In-Reply-To: <34E02C275F67455BBDFF49B250D8B94B@number2> Message-ID: <985476.13148.qm@web82315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike, On a previous PC that I had bought in 1999 (long gone now) had a CD-ROM drive and a CD burner (not a DVD). One particular song that I tried to RIP had a dropout (silence) for about one second. Same results for several different trys at the same spot in the song. When I would use the CD writer to RIP this would not happen. All was well. Was there some kind of error correction in the software for the burner that wasn't in the ROM? Just curious. Thanks, Bob orders at pennysconstruction wrote: I looked and was able to find web sites that say the CD format has error correction, but like someone once told me "If that were the case there would be no need for a program like EAC" The error correction is for playback and data. In anycase the fact that you need a program like Exact Audio Copy (EAC) is because the audio CD format IS hard to copy. I'm trying to say there is a difference between audio and data CD's (or CDr's). Data disks do have error correction, and as I mentioned there is a way to store audio on a CDr (or DVDr) in a data format. You can also include extra information (check sums) to make sure you have an exact copy (not one speck of data added or missing). The process of extracting the audio from a CD, is called Digital Audio Extraction (DAE), a.k.a. ripping a disk. The most common error you will find in a poor copy is a digital error (a tick sound) (digi error). Here is the best explanation I found today. http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.aspx?i=107 And here is the best DAE program, with more info. Read how it goes about checking the data. http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ There are other great programs out there now, like Plextors, Plex tools, and Mac computers have one too. Being the audio purists that we are, I would think would strive to do the best job possible. So this is why I looked into this in the first place. I was also unable to get anybody to help out with this reply, so there may still errors here. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? > orders at pennysconstruction wrote: >> [.....] > >> Audio CD format is a very poor design in the first place, there is no >> error correction, and no way to verify data built in to the disk >> (included on the disk). > > This is patently incorrect. There is a very > robust error correction facility in red book > CDs. If there wasn't, the format would be > useless. > > I believe any errors up to consecutive 81 bits > can be corrected though I may be lying here... > > -- Ron > > >> There are however ways to compress the audio, and have built in data to >> verify that the data is complete. You still use an outside program to >> check, but the files are on the disk itself. They way you can copy the >> data files over and over, each copy will be exactly the same (exactly) as >> long as you can verify the data. The compression is similar to MP3 but >> does not remove anything. The un-compressed audio is exactly the same as >> the original. This is done by combining the repeating patterns rather >> than removing some material. I brought that up, because you can make a >> copy of the original audio files, compress them, put in the check sums, >> and then pass those disks on to each other. Each person copies the disk, >> verifies the data, and sends the original on to the next person. >> Thanks Mike >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl-Heinz Herrmann" >> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape/CD Mystery?? >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:49:59 -0000 >>> "TERRY FINN" wrote: >>> >>>> I didn't think I would be the only one! What number are yours? >>>> >>>> Don't think its down to storage as my second set had never been out >>>> of the original jiffy bag they came in and have the same problem. >>> >>> >>> I just checked my to CD's -- number one is the original with that >>> globes and glued label -- which is unreadable now, the drives (reader, >>> burner, audio player) are not even recognising it as an audio CD (but >>> CD was quite ok when I got it). The second one is already a copy -- If I >>> remember correctly because my regular audio CD player couldn't handle >>> the glued paper label on that one. This copy is still fine. >>> >>> So I'm also one CD down :-( >>> >>> >>> >>> Maybe the glued label does something to the CD over time? >>> >>> >>> >>> K.-H. >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Circuit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Jeff, Roland for you feedback and the link, it has awesome info for a newbie like me. Now I feel much more informed about this issue, this is a great forum. Thanks once again. Regards, Nadeem From: Bansijeff at aol.comDate: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:58:15 -0500Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 Modification of Record Eq. Amp. CircuitTo: naktalk at naks.com In a message dated 1/24/2008 1:45:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk writes: It says that they have modified the record eq. amp. circuit from serial number A13008677. This document is dated 22 May 1987. So will I be right in assuming that all CR-7 decks manufactured after this serial number already have this factory mod? Also, are there any negative side effects of this mod on recording capability of the deck? Lastly, I don't know wether I should be asking this question here, but, what should be a rough guide price of a 20 year old fully working CR-7 in almost new condition which has never been serviced and mostly kept in storage? Hi Nadeem, Right, all CR-7's with the serial number higher than 8677 have the record circuit modification. The serial number for the gear modification is around 12000 I believe, but I'm not sure of that. Maybe someone has the exact number. "Kept in storage" is usually a minus, not a plus. The CR-7 belongs to the group of Sankyo transport machines which have problems due to dis-use, namely dead spots in the motors. I have a CR-4 which has a dead spot in the drive motor and I've learned about this problem the hard way. I bought it off Craigslist - when I picked it up it worked, and then a few days later it came to rest in the dead spot and I realized I'd been had. The reel motor and cam motor can be easily replaced as there are available substitutes, but the drive motor (which the CR-4 and 7 share) is hard to replace. It's also hard to rebuild, as there are magnetic characteristics which make this motor hard to take apart and harder to reassemble. I'm still looking for a broken-down BX-300 or some other deck with a good direct-drive motor to use as a donor deck to fix that CR-4. I don't know what to tell you about the price. A deck is worth whatever you can get for it. Prices on eBay are not always a good guide, as there is shill bidding which can drive the average up. There was a 610 pre-amp selling today which had very suspicious bidding by a guy with only 2 feedbacks, which is often a sign of shill bidding. What a deck is worth really depends on its condition, and that's pretty hard to establish by email. all the best Jeff Who's never won? 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Eastern Standard Time, frwhl at yahoo.com writes: Greetings- I have been to that NAK gear left in storage over a year should always be plugged in to a Variac and that one can gradually "step" the voltage over an 8 hour period to prevent electronic shock from lack of use. Is this true for all older gear? Eric --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Start the year off right. 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Message-ID: <012520081936.12751.479A3A3A000851BA000031CF22155863949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Belt-Kit-BX-1-BX-2-BX-100-BX-150-BX-300-MR-2_W0QQitemZ360017227302QQihZ023QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jan 25 22:57:07 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:57:07 EST Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! Message-ID: In a message dated 1/25/2008 11:49:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Perryinva at aol.com writes: I'm confused then..I've ordered "classic" kits from you recently...What is the difference between the capstan belt you have been using (the one with no complaits) vs the one you are having manufactured? Actually, Fred Marrs is wrong. I complained - on Naktalk. One of my buddies bought a belt from him for the classic transport and it didn't come close to specs on a wow&flutter machine. He brought it up to Fred and Fred offered him his money back (I think) or more belts or something to avoid negative feedback. That's OK with me, but it isn't an endorsement of the belt. I'll believe the claims for the latest belt when I see one that tests correctly. He has made the same claims several times before. One thing anyone doing belt research should know is just matching the physical dimensions of the original belt won't necessarily produce the same results on W&F tests. There was apparently something about the formulation of the rubber of the original belt which gave it different characteristics from most generic belts on the market. Virtually every belt which matches the physical dimensions goes on too tight. Curiously, the Nak 8096C belt seems to have gone on tight, but readily adapted to the mechanism. I haven't seen any other belt that will perform like this, though maybe there was some other manufacturer out there who used the same belt formulation. So far, I haven't seen it. I actually purchased an original belt last week from ESL for $55 because I can't find any others which I want on my 682ZX. The Sankyo transports have good generic substitutes, but I'm not believing anything about substitutes for the 8096C until I test them on a W&F machine. Jeff W **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Jan 25 22:44:26 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:44:26 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Wow, What a Photo! Message-ID: <3889782.1201297466530.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Note to all NakTalkers: In actual tests of PRB belts that substitute for the Classic mechanism capstan belt, specifically FRY 9.2 and FRZ 9.2, wow and flutter measured over 0.2% and is audible. Only the BX300/MR1 mechanisms seem to tolerate the thicker PRB belts. PRB to my knowledge, has never supplied an idler tire that fits the Sankyo decks, but I could be mistaken on this. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Jan 25, 2008 1:36 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Wow, What a Photo! > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Belt-Kit-BX-1-BX-2-BX-100-BX-150-BX-300-MR-2_W0QQitemZ360017227302QQihZ023QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From willyherm at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 23:38:43 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:38:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] A couple of fixes Message-ID: <479a64fa.24528c0a.016b.5428@mx.google.com> I thought I'd share a couple of fixes I have just done. Don't know if they are unique, but I haven't figured them out until now. 1. 660ZX and 670ZX with one meter non functional. I had two machines with one bad meter each. Since it's a single unit dual meter, the only way to replace is to get another deck to cannibalize. I took the meters apart and found that the problem wasn't discontinuous windings but was mechanical. Somehow the caliper holding the moving mechanism had gotten tighter and was binding the coil assembly. There are set screws at both ends of the caliper to set the pressure on the points of the moving coil. With a little bit of a jewelers touch, I was able to reset the front screw by removing the lamp and carefully adjusting. The needle freed up nicely. Remember to use lock paint on the set screw when reset. N.B.: if you loosen it too far the pivot point will drop out of the mount. It's quite a project to get it back in properly. After this fix, of course, the meter has to be recalibrated per instructions in the service manual. If the zero point is off the adjustment is through the port in the back of the meter covered with transparent tape. 2. 680 with the record azimuth adjuster broken off or missing. Jeff W. tells me there are lots of machines out there with this problem. I found that a black socket head 3mm x 25mm bolt replaces it. I locked two nuts together leaving roughly 8mm of exposed thread so that no one could thread it into the mechanism far enough to damage the record head azimuth rocker. Adjustment of the record head azimuth now has to be done with an allen wrench, but that may be preferable to the thumb screw anyway. Willy Hermann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Sat Jan 26 01:41:45 2008 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:41:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A couple of fixes In-Reply-To: <479a64fa.24528c0a.016b.5428@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thank you Willy! I've got, (had), a 670ZX with the same problem. Front set screw was really tight but a little heat and it loosened right up. Meter now works like a charm. Thanks again! Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 5:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] A couple of fixes I thought I'd share a couple of fixes I have just done. Don't know if they are unique, but I haven't figured them out until now. 1.. 660ZX and 670ZX with one meter non functional. I had two machines with one bad meter each. Since it's a single unit dual meter, the only way to replace is to get another deck to cannibalize. I took the meters apart and found that the problem wasn't discontinuous windings but was mechanical. Somehow the caliper holding the moving mechanism had gotten tighter and was binding the coil assembly. There are set screws at both ends of the caliper to set the pressure on the points of the moving coil. With a little bit of a jewelers touch, I was able to reset the front screw by removing the lamp and carefully adjusting. The needle freed up nicely. Remember to use lock paint on the set screw when reset. N.B.: if you loosen it too far the pivot point will drop out of the mount. It's quite a project to get it back in properly. After this fix, of course, the meter has to be recalibrated per instructions in the service manual. If the zero point is off the adjustment is through the port in the back of the meter covered with transparent tape. 2.. 680 with the record azimuth adjuster broken off or missing. Jeff W. tells me there are lots of machines out there with this problem. I found that a black socket head 3mm x 25mm bolt replaces it. I locked two nuts together leaving roughly 8mm of exposed thread so that no one could thread it into the mechanism far enough to damage the record head azimuth rocker. Adjustment of the record head azimuth now has to be done with an allen wrench, but that may be preferable to the thumb screw anyway. Willy Hermann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fred Perryinva at aol.com wrote: > I'm confused then..I've ordered "classic" kits from you > recently...What is the difference between the capstan belt you have > been using (the one with no complaits) vs the one you are having > manufactured? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL > Music. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marrs hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Belt-Kit-BX-1-BX-2-BX-100-BX-150-BX-300-MR-2_W0QQitemZ360017227302QQihZ023QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Jan 26 02:36:45 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:36:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 for $70, worth it? Message-ID: <17d5ee910801251736x567a6d8emdfb2d5be52932ac2@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I found a Nakamichi 480 selling for $70 locally, it's apparently in working condition. Is it worth getting, considering I have only BX-2 decks and a few cassettes with missing pads / run a bit poorly? (The pad lifter and double capstan would be great) -- Antoine Deschênes From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat Jan 26 02:44:29 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:44:29 EST Subject: [naktalk] A couple of fixes Message-ID: In a message dated 1/25/2008 3:45:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, willyherm at gmail.com writes: 1. 660ZX and 670ZX with one meter non functional. I had two machines with one bad meter each. Since it’s a single unit dual meter, the only way to replace is to get another deck to cannibalize. I took the meters apart and found that the problem wasn’t discontinuous windings but was mechanical. Somehow the caliper holding the moving mechanism had gotten tighter and was binding the coil assembly. There are set screws at both ends of the caliper to set the pressure on the points of the moving coil. With a little bit of a jewelers touch, I was able to reset the front screw by removing the lamp and carefully adjusting. The needle freed up nicely. Remember to use lock paint on the set screw when reset. N.B.: if you loosen it too far the pivot point will drop out of the mount. It’s quite a project to get it back in properly. After this fix, of course, the meter has to be recalibrated per instructions in the service manual. If the zero point is off the adjustment is through the port in the back of the meter covered with transparent tape. HAIL SWAMI, WE ARE NOT WORTHY, HAIL SWAMI jw **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Jan 26 03:45:25 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:45:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <479A9EC5.4050300@marrscommunications.com> Here we go again. Just to clarify, never, never, has anyone complained to ME, about wow/flutter on ANY of my belts, NEVER. I must be doing something right based on my Feedback? Now, I might have shipped a incorrect belt and had to replace it (I have the belts in bin boxes next to each other, easy to grab the wrong belt), but no one, no one, has complained about wow/flutter on my replacement 8096C belt, OR my belt for the Sankyo transport. (Which by the way, was measured AND posted here on Naktalk)! As mentioned in every belt listing I have on E.B., satisfaction is Guaranteed. If they don't fit, or you don't like the color of the Bag there in, I will be more than happy to Refund your money once they are returned. Back to the NEW 8096C. Why would I go to the expense of having a this new belt manufactured, if I was not SURE it worked? This is a business, and yes, I AM in this to make money. My manufacturer (which is not a big secret as some claim), PRODUCED the ORIGINAL 8096C at one point. I can NOT get them to admit they supplied Nakamichi, just produced it. Let's face it, Jeff W. and I, DO NOT LIKE EACH OTHER. He will never give up trying to undermine my product, and frankly, I'm sure everyone is tired of hearing it. Please Note: I never say a word about my belts, until Jeff tries to undermine them. In the future, I don't need to respond to his comments. The quality of my product, my honesty and my customer service speaks for itself. REST ASSURED, the NEW OCO8096C belts will be spec'ed out BEFORE I start selling them. I guess what it comes down to, you get what you pay for. It's just like it is with a computer, put trash in, get trash out. I am in the belt business to STAY and NOT interested in selling a $10.00 Belt kit. They, are a Dime a Dozen. Fred Marrs. Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/25/2008 11:49:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > Perryinvaol.com writes: > > I'm confused then..I've ordered "classic" kits from you > recently...What is the difference between the capstan belt you > have been using (the one with no complaits) vs the one you are > having manufactured? > > > > > Actually, Fred Marrs is wrong. I complained - on Naktalk. One of my > buddies bought a belt from him for the classic transport and it didn't > come close to specs on a wow&flutter machine. He brought it up to > Fred and Fred offered him his money back (I think) or more belts or > something to avoid negative feedback. That's OK with me, but it isn't > an endorsement of the belt. I'll believe the claims for the latest > belt when I see one that tests correctly. He has made the same claims > several times before. > > One thing anyone doing belt research should know is just matching the > physical dimensions of the original belt won't necessarily produce the > same results on W&F tests. There was apparently something about the > formulation of the rubber of the original belt which gave it different > characteristics from most generic belts on the market. Virtually > every belt which matches the physical dimensions goes on too tight. > Curiously, the Nak 8096C belt seems to have gone on tight, but readily > adapted to the mechanism. I haven't seen any other belt that will > perform like this, though maybe there was some other manufacturer out > there who used the same belt formulation. So far, I haven't seen it. > I actually purchased an original belt last week from ESL for $55 > because I can't find any others which I want on my 682ZX. The Sankyo > transports have good generic substitutes, but I'm not believing > anything about substitutes for the 8096C until I test them on a W&F > machine. > > Jeff W > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL > Music. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jan 26 01:05:52 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:05:52 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] A couple of fixes Message-ID: <26916176.1201305952047.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 14:16:17 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:16:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! Message-ID: <012620081316.13375.479B32A10008D9F60000343F22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> For what it's worth, I have bought a few belt kits from Fred, and I have never had a problem. I haven't bought from him in a while, but when I did I was satisfied. When I discovered that one of the kits I bought was short a couple belts, I contacted him and he quickly sent me the remaining belts at his expense, along with a very courteous apology. *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jan 26 14:45:47 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:45:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk new question In-Reply-To: <402943.86693.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <402943.86693.qm@web82310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <479B398B.5010202@rcn.com> No, Bob, it's only necessary (if at all) to alleviate deterioration of electrolytic capacitors -- mostly, in the power supply. Since amps and receivers contain many large capacitors, this is where you might want to do this. It makes far less sense for cassette decks. In addition, doing it the way recommended below is not such a good idea, either. One should open up the unit, disconnect rail leads and bring the voltage up in a controlled way, while monitoring the DC current. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > I thought this was only necessary for old equipment that had the old > paper capacitors??? Bob > > */BOEING747600 at aol.com/* wrote: > > Hi Eric, yes this is so true! specially for tube electronics like > tube amps, tuners, etc > Ali > In a message dated 1/24/2008 9:01:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > frwhl at yahoo.com writes: > > Greetings- > > I have been to that NAK gear left in storage over a year should > always be plugged in to a Variac and that one can gradually > "step" the voltage over an 8 hour period to prevent electronic > shock from lack of use. Is this true for all older gear? > > Eric > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 17:02:07 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:02:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! In-Reply-To: <479A9EC5.4050300@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <215272.29126.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It is nice to hear somebody trying to get the original 8096C belt ( or atleast matching wow and flutter performance specified for Nak classic belt driven mechanism) made available. It is better to get it tested by Tom who is a Nakamichi trained tech and is acceptable to many naktalkers here to prove the consistancy of this belt. It is better to test atleast random one or two out of many samples to ensure Fred 's claim is certifiable. It is definitely worth the effort and money as I know even simple 582 can work for years just with this belt and idler tire spares alone. These old Naks can produce wonderful sound and I would like to see alternate sources of parts. kannan Marrs Communications wrote: Here we go again. Just to clarify, never, never, has anyone complained to ME, about wow/flutter on ANY of my belts, NEVER. I must be doing something right based on my Feedback? Now, I might have shipped a incorrect belt and had to replace it (I have the belts in bin boxes next to each other, easy to grab the wrong belt), but no one, no one, has complained about wow/flutter on my replacement 8096C belt, OR my belt for the Sankyo transport. (Which by the way, was measured AND posted here on Naktalk)! As mentioned in every belt listing I have on E.B., satisfaction is Guaranteed. If they don't fit, or you don't like the color of the Bag there in, I will be more than happy to Refund your money once they are returned. Back to the NEW 8096C. Why would I go to the expense of having a this new belt manufactured, if I was not SURE it worked? This is a business, and yes, I AM in this to make money. My manufacturer (which is not a big secret as some claim), PRODUCED the ORIGINAL 8096C at one point. I can NOT get them to admit they supplied Nakamichi, just produced it. Let's face it, Jeff W. and I, DO NOT LIKE EACH OTHER. He will never give up trying to undermine my product, and frankly, I'm sure everyone is tired of hearing it. Please Note: I never say a word about my belts, until Jeff tries to undermine them. In the future, I don't need to respond to his comments. The quality of my product, my honesty and my customer service speaks for itself. REST ASSURED, the NEW OCO8096C belts will be spec'ed out BEFORE I start selling them. I guess what it comes down to, you get what you pay for. It's just like it is with a computer, put trash in, get trash out. I am in the belt business to STAY and NOT interested in selling a $10.00 Belt kit. They, are a Dime a Dozen. Fred Marrs. Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/25/2008 11:49:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Perryinvaol.com writes: I'm confused then..I've ordered "classic" kits from you recently...What is the difference between the capstan belt you have been using (the one with no complaits) vs the one you are having manufactured? Actually, Fred Marrs is wrong. I complained - on Naktalk. One of my buddies bought a belt from him for the classic transport and it didn't come close to specs on a wow&flutter machine. He brought it up to Fred and Fred offered him his money back (I think) or more belts or something to avoid negative feedback. That's OK with me, but it isn't an endorsement of the belt. I'll believe the claims for the latest belt when I see one that tests correctly. He has made the same claims several times before. One thing anyone doing belt research should know is just matching the physical dimensions of the original belt won't necessarily produce the same results on W&F tests. There was apparently something about the formulation of the rubber of the original belt which gave it different characteristics from most generic belts on the market. Virtually every belt which matches the physical dimensions goes on too tight. Curiously, the Nak 8096C belt seems to have gone on tight, but readily adapted to the mechanism. I haven't seen any other belt that will perform like this, though maybe there was some other manufacturer out there who used the same belt formulation. So far, I haven't seen it. I actually purchased an original belt last week from ESL for $55 because I can't find any others which I want on my 682ZX. The Sankyo transports have good generic substitutes, but I'm not believing anything about substitutes for the 8096C until I test them on a W&F machine. Jeff W --------------------------------- Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. --------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 18:25:07 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:25:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] A couple of fixes In-Reply-To: <26916176.1201305952047.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <479b6cfb.27538c0a.2862.2ea6@mx.google.com> You're right, Tom. I ended up with the Wilde stereo microscope from stylus viewing days and It has been a very valuable tool several times. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 4:06 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] A couple of fixes Thanks Willy. I have dropped the needle pivot before and it is more than a major pain to put back together. I bought a stereo boom microscope with light for $350 on eBay, and it makes meter work a cinch. Anything small can be worked as long as your hands are steady. I need to share the eject lever fix I have. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Willy Hermann Sent: Jan 25, 2008 4:38 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] A couple of fixes I thought I'd share a couple of fixes I have just done. Don't know if they are unique, but I haven't figured them out until now. 1. 660ZX and 670ZX with one meter non functional. I had two machines with one bad meter each. Since it's a single unit dual meter, the only way to replace is to get another deck to cannibalize. I took the meters apart and found that the problem wasn't discontinuous windings but was mechanical. Somehow the caliper holding the moving mechanism had gotten tighter and was binding the coil assembly. There are set screws at both ends of the caliper to set the pressure on the points of the moving coil. With a little bit of a jewelers touch, I was able to reset the front screw by removing the lamp and carefully adjusting. The needle freed up nicely. Remember to use lock paint on the set screw when reset. N.B.: if you loosen it too far the pivot point will drop out of the mount. It's quite a project to get it back in properly. After this fix, of course, the meter has to be recalibrated per instructions in the service manual. If the zero point is off the adjustment is through the port in the back of the meter covered with transparent tape. 2. 680 with the record azimuth adjuster broken off or missing. Jeff W. tells me there are lots of machines out there with this problem. I found that a black socket head 3mm x 25mm bolt replaces it. I locked two nuts together leaving roughly 8mm of exposed thread so that no one could thread it into the mechanism far enough to damage the record head azimuth rocker. Adjustment of the record head azimuth now has to be done with an allen wrench, but that may be preferable to the thumb screw anyway. Willy Hermann Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jan 26 19:04:22 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:04:22 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! Message-ID: <14246118.1201370662419.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Sat Jan 26 19:39:07 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:39:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! In-Reply-To: <479A9EC5.4050300@marrscommunications.com> References: <479A9EC5.4050300@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <8CA2E61DE5BF9B1-528-3A46@WEBMAIL-MA12.sysops.aol.com> Fred, I applaud your determination to get the 8096C belt produced and to spec.? Of course it will not be easy but once tested and accepted it will be worth all the hard work and aggro. Perhaps Jeff might help with some trials / feedback, he does know what he is talking about. Jeff? Keep Naks alive! Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Marrs Communications To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 3:45 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! Here we go again. Just to clarify, never, never, has anyone complained to ME, about wow/flutter on ANY of my belts, NEVER.? I must be doing something right based on my Feedback? Now, I might have shipped a incorrect belt and had to replace it (I have the belts in bin boxes next to each other, easy to grab the wrong belt), but no one, no one, has complained about wow/flutter on my replacement 8096C belt, OR my belt for the Sankyo transport. (Which by the way, was measured AND posted here on Naktalk)!? As mentioned in every belt listing I have on E.B., satisfaction is Guaranteed. If they don't fit, or you don't like the color of the Bag there in,? I will be more than happy to Refund your money once they are returned.? Back to the NEW 8096C.? Why would I go to the expense of having a this new belt manufactured, if I was not SURE it worked?? This is a business, and yes, I AM in this to make money. My manufacturer (which is not a big secret as some claim),? PRODUCED the ORIGINAL 8096C at one point.? I can NOT get them to admit they supplied Nakamichi, ? just produced it. ? Let's face it,? Jeff W. and I,? DO NOT LIKE EACH OTHER. He will never give up trying to undermine my product, and frankly, I'm sure everyone is tired of hearing it. ? Please Note:? I never say a word about my belts, until Jeff tries to undermine them. In the future, I don't need to respond to his comments. The quality of my product, my honesty and my customer service speaks for itself.? REST ASSURED, the NEW OCO8096C belts will be spec'ed out BEFORE I start selling them. I guess what it comes down to, you get what you pay for. It's just like it is with a computer, put trash in,? get trash out. I am in the belt business to STAY and NOT interested in selling a $10.00 Belt kit. They,? are a Dime a Dozen.? Fred Marrs. Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/25/2008 11:49:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Perryinvaol.com writes: I'm confused then..I've ordered "classic" kits from you recently...What is the difference between the capstan belt you have been using (the one with no complaits) vs the one you are having manufactured? ? ? Actually, Fred Marrs is wrong.? I?complained - on Naktalk. ? One of my buddies bought a belt from him for the classic transport and it didn't come close to specs on a wow&flutter machine.? He brought it up to Fred and Fred offered him his money back (I think) or more belts or something to avoid negative feedback.? That's OK with me, but it isn't an endorsement of the belt.? I'll believe the claims for the latest belt when I see one that tests correctly.? He has made the same claims several times before. ? One thing anyone doing belt research should know is just matching the physical dimensions of the original belt won't necessarily produce the same results on W&F tests.? There was apparently something about the formulation of the rubber of the original belt which gave it different characteristics from most generic belts on the market.? Virtually every belt which matches the physical dimensions goes on too tight.? Curiously, the Nak 8096C belt seems to have gone on tight, but readily adapted to the mechanism.? I haven't seen any other belt that? will perform like this, though maybe there was some other manufacturer out there who used the same belt formulation.? So far, I haven't seen it.? I actually purchased an original belt last week from ESL for $55 because I can't find any others which I want on my 682ZX.?? The Sankyo transports have good generic substitutes, but I'm not believing anything about substitutes for the 8096C until I test them on a W&F machine. ? Jeff W Who's never won? 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Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Sat Jan 26 20:39:37 2008 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:39:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: new 0C08096 belt Message-ID: <8CA2E6A52371809-F18-13E@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com> Greetings all, This is good news but like Jeff said, until the belt is tested on a W+F machine we won't know. And I sincerely hope we won't have another all out war like we've had in the past over belts, or ESL prices or ZXL machines or whatever that has caused members to leave. Please, those of you who engage in this, just refrain. Yes, there are many belts out there with the same dimensions as the original part but they don't produce the same results as the original. This is the one MAJOR downfall of the old classic or standard Nak mechanisms. Yes, the machines blow away just about everything else out there provided the electronics are in good shape, the belts are good and the machine has been properly aligned and calibrated. There is a lot to go wrong with them, no doubt. Lets hope Fred's new belt will fit the bill. Also regarding the "Wow, what a picture" of the guy with all the PRB belts, PRB belts work just fine, in fact excellent?for the non-critical uses like counters, mode changes, etc but for the critical W+F capstan belts, the couple that I tried on the Sankyo single capstan, 2 head mechanism machines failed miserably, producing a W+F spec of around .35%! That's about triple the allowed Nakamichi specification and is very audible. I would rather listen to nothing than have to tolerate a machine this far out of spec and warbling music. Simply terrible. Anyway, here's wishing Fred a home run with his new belt and I look forward to hearing about its performance. Dan Barham Chicagoland ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Sat Jan 26 20:45:20 2008 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:45:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 has a happy ending! Message-ID: <8CA2E6B1E3E2A2D-F18-172@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com> I thought I would relay the saga of my long lost BX-300 to the group. I bought this machine off eBay quite a while ago in excellent condition, it even had the original box and packing! The seller said it didn’t work, didn’t know what was wrong with it, selling it for parts or repair, etc. I thought this was perfect. This is actually the way I prefer to buy my gear because you get it for cheap and half the time you buy a supposedly working unit, something on it doesn't work that wasn’t disclosed and you end up discovering it wasn’t worth the price you paid. Usually the fixes are something simple: belts, idler wheel, a good cleaning, etc. Well this machine threw me for a loop because it had major problems! It had massive distortion on playback and source monitoring, pops and clicks, couldn’t hear any music at all. Meters were pegged with any signal. Switching between tape and source caused meters to peg, then decay slowly. The transport either worked fine, no problems OR didn’t respond at all and the controls would alternate between stop and play/pause. Well the transport shenanigans I fixed by cleaning the leaf switches and cycling the control motor. But the other more major problems continued to dog me. I took it out of its box several times to see if I could figure it out but always put it back after much frustration and no progress. After thinking long and hard about the problems it was having I decided to go back to basics and check the power supply voltages. I discovered that the -12V rail was putting out only .1 volt! Turns out C412, a 100uF, 25V cap had gone bad and shorted, causing the -12V rail to ground out. Pulled another cap out of one of my parts units, replaced it and everything worked great. For a while anyway. After running several tapes through it thinking I had solved the problem, it began to stop in the middle of a tape for no apparent reason. I knew about reel motors developing dead spots so I grabbed an extra out of a BX-100 parts unit, rebuilt it and thought I would swap them out. I thought all BX series reel motors were the same; turns out they’re not. The reel motor in the BX-300 had a different part number and was a little shorter than the one from the BX-100. Other than the shorter can, they appear nearly identical. Probably could have gotten away with it but why risk it? So I rebuilt the original BX-300 motor, put it back in and the machine has been working flawlessly ever since. By the way, these reel motors are really cheap. They don’t even have real carbon brushes, just 3 tiny fingers of brass riding on the commutator! No governors inside, no internal condensers, just the basics. Probably cost about $3 to make. Anyway, I’ve probably run two dozen different tapes through it and so far not one problem. What blows me away is how good this machine sounds and I haven’t done anything to it yet except cleaned and demag’d it. I haven’t verified the azimuth, speed, levels, nothing. So far I’ve just been enjoying listening to tapes through it. I’ll get around to going through all the mechanical and electrical alignments later. I agree with Jeff Whittier, the BX-300 is probably one of the most underrated, top performing Naks out there. If I’m not mistaken, Nakamichi sold the BX-300 as a ZX-5 in Japan. To lump it in the same series as the mighty ZX-7/9 is placing very high expectations on it. So far, I would agree that it lives up to those expectations. So to make a very long story short, finally my BX-300 is home! Dan Barham Chicagoland ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 22:01:37 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:01:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: A couple of fixes In-Reply-To: <8CA2E6846E271DF-F18-E8@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <479b9fb2.18b38c0a.43ae.6af6@mx.google.com> Great idea! Wish I had the original broken knob. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of danbarham at aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 11:25 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: A couple of fixes Thanks Willy! I have a 680 with a busted RH azimuth adjustment knob. I've tried to fix it a couple of times but it keeps breaking! I had been wondering what the thread pitch and diameter was and you just found out. Since I still have the original but broken knob, I plan to mount the knob in a drill press and drill out a small hole so I can epoxy in the metal shaft of the new replacement bolt. Should look exactly factory but with a metal shaft instead of plastic. Thanks again. Dan Barham Chicagoland _____ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Jan 26 22:58:26 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:58:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 Message-ID: Hello fellow Naktalkers, This is embarrassing, but I do not remember what kind of battery the Nakamichi CM-1000 microphone requires. I had wanted to use mine in a recent recording session but had no battery and no memory of the type. I did end up using my CM-100, though; these take common AA-size dry cells. Customarily, I don't enjoy Nakamichi's condensor mikes, not that they're not good mikes, but the sound is often too crisp for what I'm trying to do. Their microphones are definitely "analog mikes" because the bright sound tends to offset the high frequency dulling of many older analog recorders. Record acoustic guitar using a CM-100, CM-300 or CM-100 onto a Pioneer RT-1011L or Teac A3440 and you'll be rewarded with clean, clear, musically-detailed sound. Use the same mikes with most digital recorders in most situations and the shrillness will remove the top of your skull. In my experience, I always felt Nakamichi condensor microphones weren't an ideal match for the recorders for which they were intended: the 500 especially. The mike's gain is too high for the recorder's input when the subject is close to the mike. No Nakamichi deck needs a bright mike to offset treble dulling. I've been told that the mikes can be smoothed out and made more natural, removing some of the brightness but I do not remember the details. Anyone have any ideas? -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sat Jan 26 23:46:48 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:46:48 EST Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 Message-ID: HI KERMIT! Nice to hear from you again! I kind of missed you! at this forum and was asking about you! as i had been absent myself for a longtime too! I remember your very intellingent posts that were a great help for us novices. Regarding mike modification that person to ask would be Stepen Sank I once did talk to him on the phone 2 , 3 yrs ago and came across as a very nice man willing to help in anyway! He seems very busy from what I gather here in forum with work , you might want to call him on phone maybe he might be willing to take on the work of making your Nakamichi mics sound better as he really is a genius and work on ribbon microphones. With Best Regards Ali In a message dated 1/26/2008 5:16:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: Hello fellow Naktalkers, This is embarrassing, but I do not remember what kind of battery the Nakamichi CM-1000 microphone requires. I had wanted to use mine in a recent recording session but had no battery and no memory of the type. I did end up using my CM-100, though; these take common AA-size dry cells. Customarily, I don't enjoy Nakamichi's condensor mikes, not that they're not good mikes, but the sound is often too crisp for what I'm trying to do. Their microphones are definitely "analog mikes" because the bright sound tends to offset the high frequency dulling of many older analog recorders. Record acoustic guitar using a CM-100, CM-300 or CM-100 onto a Pioneer RT-1011L or Teac A3440 and you'll be rewarded with clean, clear, musically-detailed sound. Use the same mikes with most digital recorders in most situations and the shrillness will remove the top of your skull. In my experience, I always felt Nakamichi condensor microphones weren't an ideal match for the recorders for which they were intended: the 500 especially. The mike's gain is too high for the recorder's input when the subject is close to the mike. No Nakamichi deck needs a bright mike to offset treble dulling. I've been told that the mikes can be smoothed out and made more natural, removing some of the brightness but I do not remember the details. Anyone have any ideas? -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Jan 27 03:02:26 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:02:26 EST Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 has a happy ending! Message-ID: In a message dated 1/26/2008 12:41:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, danbarham at aol.com writes: By the way, these reel motors are really cheap. They don’t even have real carbon brushes, just 3 tiny fingers of brass riding on the commutator! No governors inside, no internal condensers, just the basics. Probably cost about $3 to make. Hey Dan, That's good news about your BX-300. If the reel motor problem ever comes up again, Tom Brucker has used this as a replacement- _MSN-5D257A-SA2_ (https://www.ued.net/ued/addItems.do?itemCode=JVCMSN-5D257A-SA2) Maybe it's a better quality replacement than the original. You confirmed my suspicions that there was more than one shaft length in the Sankyo reel motors - I think the CR motors have a slightly different shaft length too. I think it also has something to do with the date of the production run, and not just the model. I haven't actually heard from anyone that wasn't able to substitute one for another, though. I don't tell anyone how good the BX-300 is anymore - it just drives the price up on eBay. Let's keep our little secret. There's a couple of other models we're not talking about either. Jeff W **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Jan 27 03:17:05 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:17:05 EST Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 Message-ID: In a message dated 1/26/2008 2:18:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: This is embarrassing, but I do not remember what kind of battery the Nakamichi CM-1000 microphone requires. I had wanted to use mine in a recent recording session but had no battery and no memory of the type. I did end up using my CM-100, though; these take common AA-size dry cells. I believe the battery you are looking for is the Eveready 206 or Mallory TR-126. Back in the day there were a few batteries which were compatible with Nak mics and were distributed mostly for marine radio applications. All of them were discontinued because of mercury. I believe these 2 batteries and the occasional equivalent (like 1 from a British company called "Small Battery Company) are the last ones left, and due to being manufactured without mercury don't have the long life of the old ones. They work fine, however. Jeff W **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Jan 27 04:15:15 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:15:15 EST Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! Message-ID: In a message dated 1/26/2008 12:43:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Fred, I applaud your determination to get the 8096C belt produced and to spec. Of course it will not be easy but once tested and accepted it will be worth all the hard work and aggro. Perhaps Jeff might help with some trials / feedback, he does know what he is talking about. Jeff? Keep Naks alive! Regards, Ben Sure, I'd run a test on one with my 2 W&F meters. The one belt from Fred Marrs which I previously saw tested (on a T-100, which I don't own) failed miserably - and he claimed that it worked the same as the OEM belt. He has previously claimed that he was selling the Nak 8096C on eBay, but I think they made him take that down. He has made the claim over and over that his belts are as good as OEM (Nak) belts, but they aren't. So if he says now that he's finally got one, let him prove it. It's the boy who cried wolf. If he really does have a belt which works as well as the 8096C, I'd buy one myself. If he indeed has it, he'll make his money back in no time. However, as I pointed out in my previous post, my own belt research (and I've spent over $500 on different belts looking for good ones) has convinced me that some of the characteristics of the Nak belt are not simply in its dimensions. If Fred has had a belt made with the same measurements as the Nak belt, that doesn't in itself mean that it will perform the same. Jeff W **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sun Jan 27 14:46:40 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:46:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! In-Reply-To: <14246118.1201370662419.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14246118.1201370662419.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <479C8B40.60507@marrscommunications.com> Hi Tom, Thank you for the positive comments. 1 Correction. I am now close to 5,000 BELTS in inventory, much more than $4,000. Again, thanks for the comment. F. Marrs Tom Brucker wrote: > Last year at the beginning of the "classic belt crusade" (yes, it was > a crusade) I tried to estimate the economics of having the belt made > to original specifications. I hope I influenced Fred in his decision. > I want to convey a heartfelt "thank you" to Fred, for the investment > in $4,00 belts is a huge one. > > Fred is sending the new belt here and I will compare it under the > same conditions as the belt tests I posted last year. While that might > seem to be a commercial stunt, I feel strongly that affordable classic > belts alone is the key to the next 20 years of Nakamichi ownership. > Our valuable Naks will increase in value since self service and > factory specs will remain a possibility. Those of us in the repair > business can tackle the tougher jobs and the rebuilds and charge what > the reairs are worth because belts will remain in supply until the > 4000 are sold. > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marrs Communications > Sent: Jan 25, 2008 8:45 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON > THE WAY ! > > Here we go again. Just to clarify, never, never, has anyone > complained to ME, about wow/flutter on ANY of my belts, NEVER. I > must be doing something right based on my Feedback? Now, I might > have shipped a incorrect belt and had to replace it (I have the > belts in bin boxes next to each other, easy to grab the wrong > belt), but no one, no one, has complained about wow/flutter on my > replacement 8096C belt, OR my belt for the Sankyo transport. > (Which by the way, was measured AND posted here on Naktalk)! As > mentioned in every belt listing I have on E.B., satisfaction is > Guaranteed. If they don't fit, or you don't like the color of the > Bag there in, I will be more than happy to Refund your money once > they are returned. Back to the NEW 8096C. Why would I go to the > expense of having a this new belt manufactured, if I was not SURE > it worked? This is a business, and yes, I AM in this to make > money. My manufacturer (which is not a big secret as some claim), > PRODUCED the ORIGINAL 8096C at one point. I can NOT get them to > admit they supplied Nakamichi, just produced it. Let's face > it, Jeff W. and I, DO NOT LIKE EACH OTHER. He will never give up > trying to undermine my product, and frankly, I'm sure everyone is > tired of hearing it. Please Note: I never say a word about my > belts, until Jeff tries to undermine them. In the future, I don't > need to respond to his comments. The quality of my product, my > honesty and my customer service speaks for itself. REST ASSURED, > the NEW OCO8096C belts will be spec'ed out BEFORE I start selling > them. I guess what it comes down to, you get what you pay for. > It's just like it is with a computer, put trash in, get trash > out. I am in the belt business to STAY and NOT interested in > selling a $10.00 Belt kit. They, are a Dime a Dozen. Fred Marrs. > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 1/25/2008 11:49:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> Perryinvaol.com writes: >> >> I'm confused then..I've ordered "classic" kits from you >> recently...What is the difference between the capstan belt >> you have been using (the one with no complaits) vs the one >> you are having manufactured? >> >> >> >> >> Actually, Fred Marrs is wrong. I complained - on Naktalk. One >> of my buddies bought a belt from him for the classic transport >> and it didn't come close to specs on a wow&flutter machine. He >> brought it up to Fred and Fred offered him his money back (I >> think) or more belts or something to avoid negative feedback. >> That's OK with me, but it isn't an endorsement of the belt. I'll >> believe the claims for the latest belt when I see one that tests >> correctly. He has made the same claims several times before. >> >> One thing anyone doing belt research should know is just matching >> the physical dimensions of the original belt won't necessarily >> produce the same results on W&F tests. There was apparently >> something about the formulation of the rubber of the original >> belt which gave it different characteristics from most generic >> belts on the market. Virtually every belt which matches the >> physical dimensions goes on too tight. Curiously, the Nak 8096C >> belt seems to have gone on tight, but readily adapted to the >> mechanism. I haven't seen any other belt that will perform like >> this, though maybe there was some other manufacturer out there >> who used the same belt formulation. So far, I haven't seen it. >> I actually purchased an original belt last week from ESL for $55 >> because I can't find any others which I want on my 682ZX. The >> Sankyo transports have good generic substitutes, but I'm not >> believing anything about substitutes for the 8096C until I test >> them on a W&F machine. >> >> Jeff W >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Who's never won? 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sun Jan 27 15:28:18 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 06:28:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <378412.22865.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think I will agree with Jeff in this case. It seems that the chemical composition of the original 8096C belt from Nak may not be the same as all the replacement belts and somehow the elastic behavior of the material from the original belts make the W&F within specification on all those Nak with classic transport by which the replacement belts failed to comply. So in order to make the belt correctly ( other than phyiscal dimensions ) a material analysis of the chemical composition of the original belt may need to be performed. This is just my two cents and could be wrong again !!! Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/26/2008 12:43:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Fred, I applaud your determination to get the 8096C belt produced and to spec. Of course it will not be easy but once tested and accepted it will be worth all the hard work and aggro. Perhaps Jeff might help with some trials / feedback, he does know what he is talking about. Jeff? Keep Naks alive! Regards, Ben Sure, I'd run a test on one with my 2 W&F meters. The one belt from Fred Marrs which I previously saw tested (on a T-100, which I don't own) failed miserably - and he claimed that it worked the same as the OEM belt. He has previously claimed that he was selling the Nak 8096C on eBay, but I think they made him take that down. He has made the claim over and over that his belts are as good as OEM (Nak) belts, but they aren't. So if he says now that he's finally got one, let him prove it. It's the boy who cried wolf. If he really does have a belt which works as well as the 8096C, I'd buy one myself. If he indeed has it, he'll make his money back in no time. However, as I pointed out in my previous post, my own belt research (and I've spent over $500 on different belts looking for good ones) has convinced me that some of the characteristics of the Nak belt are not simply in its dimensions. If Fred has had a belt made with the same measurements as the Nak belt, that doesn't in itself mean that it will perform the same. Jeff W --------------------------------- Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boytchik1 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 27 17:30:56 2008 From: boytchik1 at hotmail.com (Gutte Neshome) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:30:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! Message-ID: With all this talk of the belts Nak utilized having unknown 'ingredients' within it's composition, the only way to determine this to a scientific certainty is to have a known original Nak belt subjected to an analysis by a certified lab/engineering company that does these tests. When the composition is established to a scientific certainty only then can those components be combined to form additional belts. From: Bansijeff at aol.comDate: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:15:15 -0500Subject: Re: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY !To: naktalk at naks.com In a message dated 1/26/2008 12:43:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Fred, I applaud your determination to get the 8096C belt produced and to spec. Of course it will not be easy but once tested and accepted it will be worth all the hard work and aggro. Perhaps Jeff might help with some trials / feedback, he does know what he is talking about. Jeff? Keep Naks alive! Regards, Ben Sure, I'd run a test on one with my 2 W&F meters. The one belt from Fred Marrs which I previously saw tested (on a T-100, which I don't own) failed miserably - and he claimed that it worked the same as the OEM belt. He has previously claimed that he was selling the Nak 8096C on eBay, but I think they made him take that down. He has made the claim over and over that his belts are as good as OEM (Nak) belts, but they aren't. So if he says now that he's finally got one, let him prove it. It's the boy who cried wolf. If he really does have a belt which works as well as the 8096C, I'd buy one myself. If he indeed has it, he'll make his money back in no time. However, as I pointed out in my previous post, my own belt research (and I've spent over $500 on different belts looking for good ones) has convinced me that some of the characteristics of the Nak belt are not simply in its dimensions. If Fred has had a belt made with the same measurements as the Nak belt, that doesn't in itself mean that it will perform the same. Jeff W Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jan 28 00:04:20 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:04:20 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 has a happy ending! Message-ID: <4160554.1201475060799.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fsclaol at yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 05:04:00 2008 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:04:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CM 1000 Batteries...... Message-ID: <855138.33714.qm@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kermit, Great to see you posting. Happy New Year, hope all is well. A recommendation from another forum for the exact same question almost 4 years ago.... Sitlers Supplies 800-426-3938. http://www.sitlersupplies.com/ http://www.nakmics.com/nak-cm1000.htm Mike has a pic of the the instruction manual and it shows the battery, it's hard to read but it looks like a 9.1V Mallory battery H7DVA or equivalent. There's a link to his Nak microphone page and an email and he says he can get batteries. Good luck...hope this helps. Fred in CT w/ Ver. 600 & DR.......505 RIP --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Jan 27 21:42:33 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:42:33 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! Message-ID: <21253516.1201466553023.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jan 28 00:09:57 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:09:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 Message-ID: <21696805.1201475397237.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Kermit, Manos (in Greece) found the 206 or 1611 battery at battery specialists 800-262-9256 batteryspecialists.com. The are reasonable and ship quickly. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kermit Gray >Sent: Jan 26, 2008 3:58 PM >To: Naktalk >Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 > >Hello fellow Naktalkers, > >This is embarrassing, but I do not remember what kind of battery the >Nakamichi CM-1000 microphone requires. I had wanted to use mine in a >recent recording session but had no battery and no memory of the type. >I did end up using my CM-100, though; these take common AA-size dry >cells. > >Customarily, I don't enjoy Nakamichi's condensor mikes, not that >they're not good mikes, but the sound is often too crisp for what I'm >trying to do. Their microphones are definitely "analog mikes" because >the bright sound tends to offset the high frequency dulling of many >older analog recorders. Record acoustic guitar using a CM-100, CM-300 >or CM-100 onto a Pioneer RT-1011L or Teac A3440 and you'll be rewarded >with clean, clear, musically-detailed sound. Use the same mikes with >most digital recorders in most situations and the shrillness will >remove the top of your skull. > >In my experience, I always felt Nakamichi condensor microphones >weren't an ideal match for the recorders for which they were intended: >the 500 especially. The mike's gain is too high for the recorder's >input when the subject is close to the mike. No Nakamichi deck needs a >bright mike to offset treble dulling. > >I've been told that the mikes can be smoothed out and made more >natural, removing some of the brightness but I do not remember the >details. Anyone have any ideas? > >-- Kermit Gray >notarbene at kvglabs.com >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to Make Your Music Better >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >Telephone: 913-422-0957 >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From audiomayvin2000 at yahoo.ca Mon Jan 28 17:36:01 2008 From: audiomayvin2000 at yahoo.ca (Leon Ament) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:36:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 for $70, worth it? In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910801251736x567a6d8emdfb2d5be52932ac2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21349.30301.qm@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Antoine, I used to do alot of repairs on 480's and if the head had to be replaced, I would install a Sony Sendust and Ferrite head. Of course modifications had to be made to accomodate the new head. But performance was absolutely outstanding. I doubt that Sony carries that head anymore. All the best, Leon(TheAudiomayvin, Montreal (514)739-5403) Antoine Deschênes wrote: Hi all, I found a Nakamichi 480 selling for $70 locally, it's apparently in working condition. Is it worth getting, considering I have only BX-2 decks and a few cassettes with missing pads / run a bit poorly? (The pad lifter and double capstan would be great) -- Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Instant message from any web browser! Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Jan 28 18:54:11 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:54:11 EST Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! Message-ID: In a message dated 1/28/2008 3:56:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, boytchik1 at hotmail.com writes: With all this talk of the belts Nak utilized having unknown 'ingredients' within it's composition, the only way to determine this to a scientific certainty is to have a known original Nak belt subjected to an analysis by a certified lab/engineering company that does these tests. When the composition is established to a scientific certainty only then can those components be combined to form additional belts. I personally have never used the term "unknown ingredients." As far as I know, the only other belt which performed with the same specs as a 8096C on a Nak was a Pioneer belt which is also today "NLA." So, it was some formulation which was used back in the day by more than one cassette manufacturer. Anyone who can match it will do well. Jeff W **************Start the year off right. 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If you like what you hear you can pass your 480 on for about the same price. It is possible to find 480s below $25, but they usually need some work. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Antoine Deschênes >Sent: Jan 25, 2008 7:36 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 for $70, worth it? > >Hi all, I found a Nakamichi 480 selling for $70 locally, it's >apparently in working condition. Is it worth getting, considering I >have only BX-2 decks and a few cassettes with missing pads / run a bit >poorly? (The pad lifter and double capstan would be great) > >-- >Antoine Deschênes > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From koman56 at otenet.gr Mon Jan 28 18:37:00 2008 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:37:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CM 1000 Batteries...... In-Reply-To: <855138.33714.qm@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <855138.33714.qm@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <479E12BC.7040801@otenet.gr> Hi Kermit! Check out there: http://store.batteryspecialists.com/206.html They sell about 9 USD a piece with free shipping in the continental USA. Hope this helps Manos Fred S.C. Li wrote: > Kermit, > > Great to see you posting. Happy New Year, hope all is well. > > A recommendation from another forum for the exact same question almost > 4 years ago.... > > Sitlers Supplies 800-426-3938. > > http://www.sitlersupplies.com/ > > http://www.nakmics.com/nak-cm1000.htm > > Mike has a pic of the the instruction manual and it shows the battery, > it's hard to read but it looks like a 9.1V Mallory battery H7DVA or > equivalent. > > There's a link to his Nak microphone page and an email and he says he > can get batteries. > > Good luck...hope this helps. > > Fred in CT w/ Ver. 600 & DR.......505 RIP > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Jan 29 00:11:01 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?UTF-8?B?QW50b2luZSBEZXNjaMOqbmVz?=) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:11:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 for $70, worth it? In-Reply-To: <29747014.1201465904924.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <29747014.1201465904924.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <479E6105.5070108@yahoo.ca> Good to hear! Also, I'll be able to look at it before buying it and there are no $35 shipping fees... Antoine Tom Brucker a écrit : > I think $70 is a fair price for a working deck. It will give you an idea of the feel and sound of the older machines. If you like what you hear you can pass your 480 on for about the same price. It is possible to find 480s below $25, but they usually need some work. > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Antoine Deschênes >> Sent: Jan 25, 2008 7:36 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480 for $70, worth it? >> >> Hi all, I found a Nakamichi 480 selling for $70 locally, it's >> apparently in working condition. Is it worth getting, considering I >> have only BX-2 decks and a few cassettes with missing pads / run a bit >> poorly? (The pad lifter and double capstan would be great) >> >> -- >> Antoine Deschênes >> > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Jan 29 00:35:00 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:35:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CM 1000 Batteries...... In-Reply-To: <479E12BC.7040801@otenet.gr> References: <855138.33714.qm@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <479E12BC.7040801@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <011601c86206$6976fa70$3c64ef50$@utah.edu> Batteryspecialists are great. Huge stock! Glad to be local to them. We have purchased many (UPS)batteries from them and no issues. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Emmanuel Komninos Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:37 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CM 1000 Batteries...... Hi Kermit! Check out there: http://store.batteryspecialists.com/206.html They sell about 9 USD a piece with free shipping in the continental USA. Hope this helps Manos Fred S.C. Li wrote: > Kermit, > > Great to see you posting. Happy New Year, hope all is well. > > A recommendation from another forum for the exact same question almost > 4 years ago.... > > Sitlers Supplies 800-426-3938. > > http://www.sitlersupplies.com/ > > http://www.nakmics.com/nak-cm1000.htm > > Mike has a pic of the the instruction manual and it shows the battery, > it's hard to read but it looks like a 9.1V Mallory battery H7DVA or > equivalent. > > There's a link to his Nak microphone page and an email and he says he > can get batteries. > > Good luck...hope this helps. > > Fred in CT w/ Ver. 600 & DR.......505 RIP > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From johngipps at aol.com Tue Jan 29 02:25:25 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:25:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 Message-ID: <8CA302CF5768864-7E4-3E62@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com> Hi Kermit The battery mentioned by Jeff sounds right - I remember sourcing TR126s for customers who had bought CM-300 and CM-1000 mics from me. The battery is about 9V, hard to find,?and expensive - customers used to complain that they had inadvertently left the microphone switched on, and in the space of about a week, the battery was flat. Partly for this reason, I leaned towards the CM-100s for my own use - they took a 1.5V AA battery. I also felt that differences between the CM-100 and CM-300 were subtle - I haven't spent enough time with the CM-1000 to make the same comment here. I had a request from a group who used both the CM-100s and CM-300s professionally, to look into converting the CM-300 for 1.5V AA use - the small capacity and high cost of the TR126 annoyed them, and they liked the idea of using a very easy to source battery (AA) when they were recording away from large centres where you could obtain the TR126. I designed a mod for the CM-300 and implemented it in about a dozen mics. It was fine - the feedback was that the users couldn't tell the difference, but of course, Nakamichi in their wisdom must have had some reason for using 9V in the more expensive mics. The circuitry inside both the CM-100 and CM-300 was very simple - this was back in 1990, so please forgive me for not remembering all the details - as far as I recall the amplifier was simply one FET and a few components. I would have documented the changes, and if anyone is interested, I'll locate the 1990 notebook that has the details. The changes were probably one or two resistor values. I imagine that the CM-1000 may be very similar in terms of circuitry to the CM-300, although I don't recall ever getting inside a CM-1000. This may be of?use to you with your CM-1000 Kermit, although I realise that you may not wish to take part in the sacrilegious act of modifying it. Regards John Gipps Message: 11 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:58:26 -0600 From: Kermit Gray Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 To: Naktalk Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hello fellow Naktalkers, This is embarrassing, but I do not remember what kind of battery the? Nakamichi CM-1000 microphone requires. I had wanted to use mine in a? recent recording session but had no battery and no memory of the type.? I did end up using my CM-100, though; these take common AA-size dry? cells. Customarily, I don't enjoy Nakamichi's condensor mikes, not that? they're not good mikes, but the sound is often too crisp for what I'm? trying to do. Their microphones are definitely "analog mikes" because? the bright sound tends to offset the high frequency dulling of many? older analog recorders. Record acoustic guitar using a CM-100, CM-300? or CM-100 onto a Pioneer RT-1011L or Teac A3440 and you'll be rewarded? with clean, clear, musically-detailed sound. Use the same mikes with? most digital recorders in most situations and the shrillness will? remove the top of your skull. In my experience, I always felt Nakamichi condensor microphones? weren't an ideal match for the recorders for which they were intended:? the 500 especially. The mike's gain is too high for the recorder's? input when the subject is close to the mike. No Nakamichi deck needs a? bright mike to offset treble dulling. I've been told that the mikes can be smoothed out and made more? natural, removing some of the brightness but I do not remember the? details. Anyone have any ideas? -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. 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My cell number is 602-292-4706. > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:14:33 +0000> To: mark8559 at hotmail.com> From: kevin.mcgee at talktalk.net> Subject: [naktalk] How may I contact Scott Johnson?> > Hi Mark,> I've been in contact with Scott via his e-mail address at:> Scott Johnson p9019 at yahoo.com> ..but he seems to work away from home sometimes, so on occasions it > has been a few days before he's replied back, but normally always > within 7 days.> Kev. _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Tue Jan 29 10:07:56 2008 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:07:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 References: <8CA302CF5768864-7E4-3E62@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006401c86256$703218e0$0301a8c0@home> Hi John I have a number of 300's which have had less and less use due to the scarce nature of batteries. I have toyed with the idea of converting them to run on phantom power but it is a bit messy component wise. The idea of running them on a 1.5V AA had not occurred to me, but from what you say, seems to work. If you have the time and can locate your notebook I would appreciate a copy of what you did.. Thanks Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: johngipps at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com ; notarbene at kvglabs.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 Hi Kermit The battery mentioned by Jeff sounds right - I remember sourcing TR126s for customers who had bought CM-300 and CM-1000 mics from me. The battery is about 9V, hard to find, and expensive - customers used to complain that they had inadvertently left the microphone switched on, and in the space of about a week, the battery was flat. Partly for this reason, I leaned towards the CM-100s for my own use - they took a 1.5V AA battery. I also felt that differences between the CM-100 and CM-300 were subtle - I haven't spent enough time with the CM-1000 to make the same comment here. I had a request from a group who used both the CM-100s and CM-300s professionally, to look into converting the CM-300 for 1.5V AA use - the small capacity and high cost of the TR126 annoyed them, and they liked the idea of using a very easy to source battery (AA) when they were recording away from large centres where you could obtain the TR126. I designed a mod for the CM-300 and implemented it in about a dozen mics. It was fine - the feedback was that the users couldn't tell the difference, but of course, Nakamichi in their wisdom must have had some reason for using 9V in the more expensive mics. The circuitry inside both the CM-100 and CM-300 was very simple - this was back in 1990, so please forgive me for not remembering all the details - as far as I recall the amplifier was simply one FET and a few components. I would have documented the changes, and if anyone is interested, I'll locate the 1990 notebook that has the details. The changes were probably one or two resisto! r values. I imagine that the CM-1000 may be very similar in terms of circuitry to the CM-300, although I don't recall ever getting inside a CM-1000. This may be of use to you with your CM-1000 Kermit, although I realise that you may not wish to take part in the sacrilegious act of modifying it. Regards John Gipps Message: 11 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:58:26 -0600 From: Kermit Gray Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 To: Naktalk Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hello fellow Naktalkers, This is embarrassing, but I do not remember what kind of battery the Nakamichi CM-1000 microphone requires. I had wanted to use mine in a recent recording session but had no battery and no memory of the type. I did end up using my CM-100, though; these take common AA-size dry cells. Customarily, I don't enjoy Nakamichi's condensor mikes, not that they're not good mikes, but the sound is often too crisp for what I'm trying to do. Their microphones are definitely "analog mikes" because the bright sound tends to offset the high frequency dulling of many older analog recorders. Record acoustic guitar using a CM-100, CM-300 or CM-100 onto a Pioneer RT-1011L or Teac A3440 and you'll be rewarded with clean, clear, musically-detailed sound. Use the same mikes with most digital recorders in most situations and the shrillness will remove the top of your skull. In my experience, I always felt Nakamichi condensor microphones weren't an ideal match for the recorders for which they were intended: the 500 especially. The mike's gain is too high for the recorder's input when the subject is close to the mike. No Nakamichi deck needs a bright mike to offset treble dulling. I've been told that the mikes can be smoothed out and made more natural, removing some of the brightness but I do not remember the details. Anyone have any ideas? -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ More new features than ever. 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URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Tue Jan 29 10:27:57 2008 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:27:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 In-Reply-To: <006401c86256$703218e0$0301a8c0@home> References: <8CA302CF5768864-7E4-3E62@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com> <006401c86256$703218e0$0301a8c0@home> Message-ID: <479EF19D.1040907@otenet.gr> John I am in for a copy myself for my CM-300s since the 9 volt batteries are scarce here in Europe and if found, extremely expensive...If you find it please contact me directly. Thanking you in advance Manos TERRY FINN wrote: > Hi John > > I have a number of 300's which have had less and less use due to the > scarce nature of batteries. I have toyed with the idea of converting > them to run on phantom power but it is a bit messy component wise. The > idea of running them on a 1.5V AA had not occurred to me, but from > what you say, seems to work. If you have the time and can locate your > notebook I would appreciate a copy of what you did.. > > Thanks > > Terry > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* johngipps at aol.com > *To:* naktalk at naks.com ; > notarbene at kvglabs.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:25 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 > > Hi Kermit > > The battery mentioned by Jeff sounds right - I remember sourcing > TR126s for customers who had bought CM-300 and CM-1000 mics from > me. The battery is about 9V, hard to find, and expensive - > customers used to complain that they had inadvertently left the > microphone switched on, and in the space of about a week, the > battery was flat. Partly for this reason, I leaned towards the > CM-100s for my own use - they took a 1.5V AA battery. I also felt > that differences between the CM-100 and CM-300 were subtle - I > haven't spent enough time with the CM-1000 to make the same > comment here. > > I had a request from a group who used both the CM-100s and CM-300s > professionally, to look into converting the CM-300 for 1.5V AA use > - the small capacity and high cost of the TR126 annoyed them, and > they liked the idea of using a very easy to source battery (AA) > when they were recording away from large centres where you could > obtain the TR126. I designed a mod for the CM-300 and implemented > it in about a dozen mics. It was fine - the feedback was that the > users couldn't tell the difference, but of course, Nakamichi in > their wisdom must have had some reason for using 9V in the more > expensive mics. The circuitry inside both the CM-100 and CM-300 > was very simple - this was back in 1990, so please forgive me for > not remembering all the details - as far as I recall the amplifier > was simply one FET and a few components. I would have documented > the changes, and if anyone is interested, I'll locate the 1990 > notebook that has the details. The changes were probably one or > two resisto! r values. > > I imagine that the CM-1000 may be very similar in terms of > circuitry to the CM-300, although I don't recall ever getting > inside a CM-1000. This may be of use to you with your CM-1000 > Kermit, although I realise that you may not wish to take part in > the sacrilegious act of modifying it. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:58:26 -0600 > From: Kermit Gray > > Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 > To: Naktalk > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hello fellow Naktalkers, > > This is embarrassing, but I do not remember what kind of battery the > Nakamichi CM-1000 microphone requires. I had wanted to use mine in a > recent recording session but had no battery and no memory of the > type. > I did end up using my CM-100, though; these take common AA-size dry > cells. > > Customarily, I don't enjoy Nakamichi's condensor mikes, not that > they're not good mikes, but the sound is often too crisp for what > I'm > trying to do. Their microphones are definitely "analog mikes" > because > the bright sound tends to offset the high frequency dulling of many > older analog recorders. Record acoustic guitar using a CM-100, > CM-300 > or CM-100 onto a Pioneer RT-1011L or Teac A3440 and you'll be > rewarded > with clean, clear, musically-detailed sound. Use the same mikes with > most digital recorders in most situations and the shrillness will > remove the top of your skull. > > In my experience, I always felt Nakamichi condensor microphones > weren't an ideal match for the recorders for which they were > intended: > the 500 especially. The mike's gain is too high for the recorder's > input when the subject is close to the mike. No Nakamichi deck > needs a > bright mike to offset treble dulling. > > I've been told that the mikes can be smoothed out and made more > natural, removing some of the brightness but I do not remember the > details. Anyone have any ideas? > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail > ! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: > 26/01/08 15:45 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From perryinva at aol.com Tue Jan 29 12:25:40 2008 From: perryinva at aol.com (perryinva at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:25:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! In-Reply-To: <378412.22865.qm@web80213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CA3080D03B5322-4D8-1144@FWM-M32.sysops.aol.com> Actually, it's silly to even attempt to get the corerct chemical composition.? We shouldn't care a whit WHAY it's made of...I'd venture to say that most likely 40 year old rubber compunds are probably just not available...tho their longevity is a testimony to fantastic material selection.? The key is to compare a new belts PHySICAL parameters (not just dimensions), modulous of elastiscity, deformation, stretch, memory, etc to a NOS belt, besides a W&F test.? The OE belt is amazingly "dead" feeling for rubber. -----Original Message----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 9:28 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! I think I will agree with Jeff in this case. It seems that the chemical composition of the original 8096C belt from Nak may not be the same as all the replacement belts and somehow the elastic behavior of the material from the original belts make the W&F within specification on all those Nak with classic transport by which the replacement belts failed to comply. So in order to make the belt correctly ( other than phyiscal dimensions ) a material analysis of the chemical composition of the original belt may need to be performed. This is just my two cents and could be wrong again !!! ? ? Mike ? Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/26/2008 12:43:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Fred, I applaud your determination to get the 8096C belt produced and to spec.? Of course it will not be easy but once tested and accepted it will be worth all the hard work and aggro. Perhaps Jeff might help with some trials / feedback, he does know what he is talking about. Jeff? Keep Naks alive! Regards, Ben Sure, I'd run a test on one with my 2 W&F meters. The one belt from Fred Marrs which I previously saw tested (on a T-100, which I don't own) failed miserably?- and he claimed that it worked the same as?the OEM belt. He has previously claimed that he was selling the Nak 8096C on eBay, but I think they made him take that down.? He has made the claim over and over that his belts are as good as?OEM (Nak)?belts, but they aren't.? So if he says now that he's finally got one, let him prove it.? It's the boy who cried wolf. If he really does have a belt which works as well as the 8096C, I'd buy one myself.? If he?indeed has it, he'll make his money back in no time. However, as I pointed out in my previous post, my own belt research (and I've spent over $500 on different belts looking for good ones) has convinced me that some of the characteristics of the Nak belt are not simply in its dimensions.? If Fred has had a belt made with the same measurements as the Nak belt, that doesn't in itself mean that it will perform the same. Jeff W Who's never won? 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Doug G ________________________________ From: Bansijeff at aol.com [mailto:Bansijeff at aol.com] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 12:54 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! In a message dated 1/28/2008 3:56:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, boytchik1 at hotmail.com writes: With all this talk of the belts Nak utilized having unknown 'ingredients' within it's composition, the only way to determine this to a scientific certainty is to have a known original Nak belt subjected to an analysis by a certified lab/engineering company that does these tests. When the composition is established to a scientific certainty only then can those components be combined to form additional belts. I personally have never used the term "unknown ingredients." As far as I know, the only other belt which performed with the same specs as a 8096C on a Nak was a Pioneer belt which is also today "NLA." So, it was some formulation which was used back in the day by more than one cassette manufacturer. Anyone who can match it will do well. Jeff W ________________________________ Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Jan 29 16:42:28 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:42:28 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! In-Reply-To: <8CA3080D03B5322-4D8-1144@FWM-M32.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Point taken but I'd have thought the bottom line isn't what it looks or feels like - it's how it performs. It could come from a rubber duck for all we should care, just so long as it imitates the originals as close to spec as possible, or even better. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of perryinva at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:26 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! Actually, it's silly to even attempt to get the corerct chemical composition. We shouldn't care a whit WHAY it's made of...I'd venture to say that most likely 40 year old rubber compunds are probably just not available...tho their longevity is a testimony to fantastic material selection. The key is to compare a new belts PHySICAL parameters (not just dimensions), modulous of elastiscity, deformation, stretch, memory, etc to a NOS belt, besides a W&F test. The OE belt is amazingly "dead" feeling for rubber. -----Original Message----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 9:28 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] THE ORIGINAL OCO8096C NAKAMICHI BELT IS ON THE WAY ! I think I will agree with Jeff in this case. It seems that the chemical composition of the original 8096C belt from Nak may not be the same as all the replacement belts and somehow the elastic behavior of the material from the original belts make the W&F within specification on all those Nak with classic transport by which the replacement belts failed to comply. So in order to make the belt correctly ( other than phyiscal dimensions ) a material analysis of the chemical composition of the original belt may need to be performed. This is just my two cents and could be wrong again !!! Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Jan 29 16:31:05 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:31:05 EST Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 Message-ID: In a message dated 1/29/2008 1:33:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, koman56 at otenet.gr writes: I am in for a copy myself for my CM-300s since the 9 volt batteries are scarce here in Europe and if found, extremely expensive...If you find it please contact me directly. Thanking you in advance Manos Hi Manos, a European source for the battery is - _http://www.smallbattery.company.org.uk/sbc_a1611.htm?a1611,NEDA,1611_ (http://www.smallbattery.company.org.uk/sbc_a1611.htm?a1611,NEDA,1611) I don't know how much shipping to Greece is. good luck Jeff W **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Jan 29 16:33:37 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:33:37 EST Subject: [naktalk] CM 1000 Batteries...... Message-ID: this is a list of the compatible battery designations for the CM-1000 battery from the Small Company website Duracell TR-126, Eveready ER-206, E-126, E126, Mallory 206, NEDA 1611, 1611M, Panasonic H-7D, 7MR9, B206/L6, Sony 7MR9, Panasonic H-6D, 6MR9. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Tue Jan 29 16:51:59 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:21:59 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Modded Naks .. woohoo References: <200801281103.m0SB1lhf008747@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002401c8628e$e48f3e10$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hey all Just thought id share this .. Bypassed all supply caps in my MR and DR and changed opamps in the MR. Seems to have taken care of a slight interference in the MR from the monitor beside it. (I think Tom Bruckner had mentioned this earlier) Sounds good .. yeah like a ZX ! lol From luis at peromarta.org Tue Jan 29 18:57:08 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:57:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Modded Naks .. woohoo In-Reply-To: <002401c8628e$e48f3e10$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <200801281103.m0SB1lhf008747@zxe.naks.com> <002401c8628e$e48f3e10$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <479F68F4.2020702@peromarta.org> The Sank Way. rgds, LP. soumitra at soumitrab.com escribió: > Hey all > Just thought id share this .. > Bypassed all supply caps in my MR and DR and changed opamps in the MR. > Seems to have taken care of a slight interference in the MR from the > monitor beside it. (I think Tom Bruckner had mentioned this earlier) > > Sounds good .. yeah like a ZX ! lol From lenaw at flash.net Tue Jan 29 19:09:38 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:09:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Modded Naks .. woohoo In-Reply-To: <479F68F4.2020702@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <821996.7134.qm@web80209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not bad at all. Regards, Mike Luis Peromarta wrote: The Sank Way. rgds, LP. soumitra at soumitrab.com escribió: > Hey all > Just thought id share this .. > Bypassed all supply caps in my MR and DR and changed opamps in the MR. > Seems to have taken care of a slight interference in the MR from the > monitor beside it. (I think Tom Bruckner had mentioned this earlier) > > Sounds good .. yeah like a ZX ! lol ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Tue Jan 29 19:23:30 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:53:30 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Modded Naks .. woohoo References: <200801281103.m0SB1lhf008747@zxe.naks.com> <002401c8628e$e48f3e10$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <479F68F4.2020702@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <004f01c862a4$0e90d330$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi Luis Yes Sank's suggestion too but a generally accepted method of modding. Only on small mistake i made was not solder in a IC socket to try out various op amps. I think ill do that with the DR deck. I still have a list of changes yet to be undertaken, namely a) Change of electrolytics to nichicon / black gate (signal path) b) Bypassing with styrenes ... prob is that i cant get good styrenes here. On the whole i do perceive a change in the sound .. a little more open, detailed and crisp compared to before .. not sure if its a fact or what my mind expects but hey im enjoying it so its cool. Regards Soumi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Peromarta" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Modded Naks .. woohoo The Sank Way. rgds, LP. From luis at peromarta.org Tue Jan 29 20:12:44 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:12:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Modded Naks .. woohoo In-Reply-To: <004f01c862a4$0e90d330$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <200801281103.m0SB1lhf008747@zxe.naks.com> <002401c8628e$e48f3e10$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <479F68F4.2020702@peromarta.org> <004f01c862a4$0e90d330$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <479F7AAC.6060200@peromarta.org> I myself would not bother with electrolytics, and would probaly continue to step b). rgds, LP. soumitra at soumitrab.com escribió: > Hi Luis > Yes Sank's suggestion too but a generally accepted method of modding. > Only on small mistake i made was not solder in a IC socket to try out > various op amps. I think ill do that with the DR deck. > I still have a list of changes yet to be undertaken, namely > a) Change of electrolytics to nichicon / black gate (signal path) > b) Bypassing with styrenes ... prob is that i cant get good styrenes here. > > On the whole i do perceive a change in the sound .. a little more open, > detailed and crisp compared to before .. not sure if its a fact or what > my mind expects but hey im enjoying it so its cool. > > Regards > Soumi > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Peromarta" > To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Modded Naks .. woohoo > > > The Sank Way. > > rgds, LP. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jan 29 20:41:50 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:41:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Modded Naks .. woohoo In-Reply-To: <004f01c862a4$0e90d330$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <200801281103.m0SB1lhf008747@zxe.naks.com> <002401c8628e$e48f3e10$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <479F68F4.2020702@peromarta.org> <004f01c862a4$0e90d330$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <479F817E.1020003@rcn.com> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi Luis > Yes Sank's suggestion too but a generally accepted method of modding. > Only on small mistake i made was not solder in a IC socket to try out > various op amps. I think ill do that with the DR deck. > I still have a list of changes yet to be undertaken, namely > a) Change of electrolytics to nichicon / black gate (signal path) > b) Bypassing with styrenes ... prob is that i cant get good styrenes here. Just FYI, Polypropylene are preferred by capacitor replacement aficionados. > On the whole i do perceive a change in the sound .. a little more open, > detailed and crisp compared to before .. not sure if its a fact or what > my mind expects but hey im enjoying it so its cool. Easy to check. Run a *truly* blind listening test with family/friends. I did this several years ago. The result was astonishing: no one could tell whether the CR-7 electronics (not recording and playing back, just the electronics) was in the loop at all. That's when I decided that replacing op-amps was an exercise in futility. But hey, if that's what you enjoy doing, it doesn't have to be rational. -- Ron > > Regards > Soumi > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Peromarta" > To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Modded Naks .. woohoo > > > The Sank Way. > > rgds, LP. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Jan 30 05:50:35 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:50:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ali, Good to see you, still about. Thanks for the kind words! Been recovering from some prolonged health problems, and feeling somewhat better now. I've actually been using my Nakamichi microphones more often than usual these days. I have both a CM-100 and a CM-1000. I have two capsules for the CM-1000. But I still prefer my collection of 1970s vintage AKG, Shure, Altec, and Electro-Voice. Ribbon mics for overheads and vocals, of course. I've often fantasized about a Nakamichi Ribbon microphone. In my dreams it looks sleek and futuristic, sounds like a Beyerdynamic M-130 only better, and is a perfect match for the 550's input amplifiers. On Jan 26, 2008, at 4:46 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > HI KERMIT! Nice to hear from you again! I kind of missed you! at > this forum and was asking about you! as i had been absent myself for > a longtime too! I remember your very intellingent posts that were a > great help for us novices. Regarding mike modification that person > to ask would be Stepen Sank I once did talk to him on the phone 2 , > 3 yrs ago and came across as a very nice man willing to help in > anyway! He seems very busy from what I gather here in forum with > work , you might want to call him on phone maybe he might be willing > to take on the work of making your Nakamichi mics sound better as he > really is a genius and work on ribbon microphones. > > With Best Regards > Ali -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All of them were discontinued because of > mercury. I believe these 2 batteries and the occasional equivalent > (like 1 from a British company called "Small Battery Company) are > the last ones left, and due to being manufactured without mercury > don't have the long life of the old ones. They work fine, however. > > Jeff W > Thanks for the info! My memory was wrong. I thought it was some sort of 12V dry cell that was a bit bigger than a AA. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll add that to my list of "where to buy cool stuff." -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Jan 30 05:58:27 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:58:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 In-Reply-To: <006401c86256$703218e0$0301a8c0@home> References: <8CA302CF5768864-7E4-3E62@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com> <006401c86256$703218e0$0301a8c0@home> Message-ID: Hi Terry, On Jan 29, 2008, at 3:07 AM, TERRY FINN wrote: > Hi John > > I have a number of 300's which have had less and less use due to the > scarce nature of batteries. I have toyed with the idea of converting > them to run on phantom power but it is a bit messy component wise. > The idea of running them on a 1.5V AA had not occurred to me, but > from what you say, seems to work. If you have the time and can > locate your notebook I would appreciate a copy of what you did.. > > Thanks > > Terry I once modified an AudioTechnica AT-813 to run of phantom power; like the Naka-mics it ran off an internal battery. Basically I disasembled a Shure SM-81 and copied the circuitry as closely as possible. the Shure could run off batteries or phantom power. I do not remember the details, but peek inside a Shure SM80 or SM81 to get inspired. As an epilogue, many years later, AudioTechnica issued the AT-813R, which could run off either battery or phantom. Guess what the wiring inside resembled? that's right, A Shure SM81! -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Jan 30 06:01:26 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:01:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CM 1000 Batteries...... In-Reply-To: <855138.33714.qm@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <855138.33714.qm@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6EC47ABB-EF34-4085-ABB0-62015348596C@kvglabs.com> Hey Fred, Great to see a fellow 600 jockey! Still my favorite deck, with the 680ZX a close second! This year is beginning quite well, thank you! I'll add those references to my "cool places to spend money at" list. I just looked at my CM-1000's power supply and the battery holder seems a bit loose. This makes me nervous! On Jan 27, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Fred S.C. Li wrote: > Kermit, > > Great to see you posting. Happy New Year, hope all is well. > > A recommendation from another forum for the exact same question > almost 4 years ago.... > > Sitlers Supplies 800-426-3938. > > http://www.sitlersupplies.com/ > > http://www.nakmics.com/nak-cm1000.htm > > Mike has a pic of the the instruction manual and it shows the > battery, it's hard to read but it looks like a 9.1V Mallory battery > H7DVA or equivalent. > > There's a link to his Nak microphone page and an email and he says > he can get batteries. > > Good luck...hope this helps. > > Fred in CT w/ Ver. 600 & DR.......505 RIP > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search > .========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Jan 30 06:04:24 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:04:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CM 1000 Batteries...... In-Reply-To: <479E12BC.7040801@otenet.gr> References: <855138.33714.qm@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <479E12BC.7040801@otenet.gr> Message-ID: Hi Manos! On Jan 28, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Emmanuel Komninos wrote: > Hi Kermit! > > Check out there: http://store.batteryspecialists.com/206.html > > They sell about 9 USD a piece with free shipping in the continental > USA. > > Hope this helps > > Manos > >> Another excellent reference! Thank you! It's fun to spend money, as long as it's for microphones, tape decks, blank tape.... I got into an argument with my (now ex) girlfriend. She threw a fit because I spent $150.00 on a replacement stylus for my AKG P7E cartridge and thereby didn't have the money to buy her a diamond ring she was admiring. I really put my foot in it when I quipped, "Diamonds are for playing LPs." -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From soumitra at soumitrab.com Wed Jan 30 02:47:43 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:17:43 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Modded Naks .. woohoo References: <200801281103.m0SB1lhf008747@zxe.naks.com> <002401c8628e$e48f3e10$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <479F68F4.2020702@peromarta.org> <004f01c862a4$0e90d330$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <479F817E.1020003@rcn.com> Message-ID: <006601c862e2$1d4ee5e0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hello Ron Im aware of the polypropylenes but some vendors have ridiculous prices for these capacitors. $3.0 starting for a single Multicap (Tin foil, 10%) upto $5+ for RelCap (Copper foil, 10%) ... anything less would "color" the sound. About opamps .. i think you would definitely notice a difference. At least theoretically speaking and perhaps even in practice .. all opAmps have different characteristics which ultimately shows in the sound. I have read a lot of comparisons of opAmps and mostly between those made by Burr Brown and Analog Devices. ALthought the OP275 suggested by Sank is a good choice its not amongst the best in class opamps compared to whats available right now fron Analog. Moreover there seems to be a burn-in period for the capacitors and opamps so maybe thats where you missed hearing any difference ? Regards Soumi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Modded Naks .. woohoo From luis at peromarta.org Wed Jan 30 09:57:35 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:57:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Modded Naks .. woohoo In-Reply-To: <006601c862e2$1d4ee5e0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <200801281103.m0SB1lhf008747@zxe.naks.com> <002401c8628e$e48f3e10$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <479F68F4.2020702@peromarta.org> <004f01c862a4$0e90d330$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <479F817E.1020003@rcn.com> <006601c862e2$1d4ee5e0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <47A03BFF.7030705@peromarta.org> Hi Soumi, A electro-mechanical device could use some burn-in (Hours? days?). Even a cap, until it's dielectric reaches it's max. polarization (seconds? miliseconds?) may use some burn-in. I really doubt anything that's pure solid state remotely knows anything about burn-in. With warmest rgds, LP. soumitra at soumitrab.com escribió: > Moreover there seems to be a burn-in period for the capacitors and > opamps so maybe thats where you missed hearing any difference ? > > Regards > Soumi > From soumitra at soumitrab.com Wed Jan 30 10:30:26 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:00:26 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Modded Naks .. woohoo References: <200801281103.m0SB1lhf008747@zxe.naks.com> <002401c8628e$e48f3e10$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <479F68F4.2020702@peromarta.org> <004f01c862a4$0e90d330$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <479F817E.1020003@rcn.com> <006601c862e2$1d4ee5e0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <47A03BFF.7030705@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <00dd01c86322$c0e3c690$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi Luis I agree .. but you know there are so many DIYers who tell you stuff starting from what I said (i hope i just typed without thinking for my sake :P ) to stuff like the best interconnects have nothin but pure silver wires and all that ... i must have picked up some of that. I might make a good hi-fi salesman. lol Best Regards Soumi >I really doubt anything that's pure solid state remotely knows anything >about burn-in. > >With warmest rgds, LP. From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed Jan 30 13:01:36 2008 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:01:36 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape Message-ID: Kermit Yes, good to know you are around again and feeling better. I hesitate to ask, but wonder if you still have the last Marathon tape available. I never received mine as it happened - lost in the mail I think. David From koman56 at otenet.gr Wed Jan 30 13:15:04 2008 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:15:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47A06A48.1040508@otenet.gr> Jeff, Thanks for your info, i knew that they had this battery but they sell expensive (double price) and the shipping is not that cheap...Of course if i had no other option i would buy from them.....Tom Brucker was kind enough to volunteer on buying a few 206s for me and throw them in the box with which my serviced NAK 680 will travel... I am looking forward to receiving them! (both Nak and batteries!) So as long as i have some good friends overseas (US) i will not have to worry that much on battery supplies! Manos Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/29/2008 1:33:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > koman56 at otenet.gr writes: > > I am in for a copy myself for my CM-300s since the 9 volt > batteries are > scarce here in Europe and if found, extremely expensive...If you > find it > please contact me directly. > Thanking you in advance > > Manos > > > > Hi Manos, > > a European source for the battery is - > > http://www.smallbattery.company.org.uk/sbc_a1611.htm?a1611,NEDA,1611 > > I don't know how much shipping to Greece is. > > good luck > > Jeff W > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape > > in the new year. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From tpfinn at btinternet.com Wed Jan 30 13:32:15 2008 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:32:15 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 References: <8CA302CF5768864-7E4-3E62@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com><006401c86256$703218e0$0301a8c0@home> Message-ID: <014b01c8633c$25f59c20$0201a8c0@home> SM81 eh! Thanks Kermit I'll check it out T. ----- Original Message ----t From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Battery for CM-1000 Hi Terry, On Jan 29, 2008, at 3:07 AM, TERRY FINN wrote: Hi John I have a number of 300's which have had less and less use due to the scarce nature of batteries. I have toyed with the idea of converting them to run on phantom power but it is a bit messy component wise. The idea of running them on a 1.5V AA had not occurred to me, but from what you say, seems to work. If you have the time and can locate your notebook I would appreciate a copy of what you did.. Thanks Terry I once modified an AudioTechnica AT-813 to run of phantom power; like the Naka-mics it ran off an internal battery. Basically I disasembled a Shure SM-81 and copied the circuitry as closely as possible. the Shure could run off batteries or phantom power. I do not remember the details, but peek inside a Shure SM80 or SM81 to get inspired. As an epilogue, many years later, AudioTechnica issued the AT-813R, which could run off either battery or phantom. Guess what the wiring inside resembled? that's right, A Shure SM81! -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Digikey used to carry Panasonic PP caps at reasonable (not low, but reasonable) price. I kinda doubt film caps that bypass power supply electrolytics can color the sound, but that's besides the point. > About opamps .. i think you would definitely notice a difference. Well, the difference between us is that I do not 'think', I 'know'. Of course, the test I ran applies specifically to the CR-7. It's possible that different deck models would result in different findings. All I am saying is that you may want to consider running a double blind listening test *before* tearing into your deck. BTW, I compared op-amps in a phono stage and there, I did clearly hear differences. I compared a few op-amp types, and a premium FET input type had audibly less distortion, lower hiss and 'airier' highs. But this is a different application, where the input signal is tiny and, consequently, amplification much higher (40db in my phono stage). > At > least theoretically speaking and perhaps even in practice .. all opAmps > have different characteristics which ultimately shows in the sound. I > have read a lot of comparisons of opAmps and mostly between those made > by Burr Brown and Analog Devices. ALthought the OP275 suggested by Sank > is a good choice its not amongst the best in class opamps compared to > whats available right now fron Analog. > Moreover there seems to be a burn-in period for the capacitors and > opamps so maybe thats where you missed hearing any difference ? You are free to believe in the burn-in mystique. I have yet to hear a single plausible explanation of how burn-in affects ICs (and no one mentions why it would affect audio circuits and not such things as analog computers or atomic clocks. The only use for burn-in is to weed out bad ICs before a product goes out to a customer. This applies to failures -- ICs that are on he verge of dying -- but not to changes in characteristics (supposedly, always for the better). I have designed a few ICs myself and, for the life of me, cannot recall a single textbook, article, data sheet or application note that even mentioned burn in. I never took that interesting phenomenon into account and in many, many years in R&D environments can't recall single case where is showed up. But, given all that, the CR-7 listening test had nothing to do with new ICs. We were listening to 18 year old ICs, comparing a source going through the deck electronics to the same source going directly to the Preamp. All I did was flick the input selector, without telling the listeners what position they were listening to. -- Ron > > Regards > Soumi > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" > To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 1:11 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Modded Naks .. woohoo > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From soumitra at soumitrab.com Wed Jan 30 17:58:47 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:28:47 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Modded Naks .. woohoo References: <200801281103.m0SB1lhf008747@zxe.naks.com> <002401c8628e$e48f3e10$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <479F68F4.2020702@peromarta.org> <004f01c862a4$0e90d330$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <479F817E.1020003@rcn.com> <006601c862e2$1d4ee5e0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <47A0A477.2060305@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002201c86361$634198c0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi Ron, I meant the caps bypassing the signal caps .. since i didnt begin doing this for want of good PP caps. > I kinda doubt film caps that bypass power > supply electrolytics can color the sound, > but that's besides the point. > Well surely there must be a difference or else we could still be using the 741 opamps instead of the various others available... which would also mean that replacing the current opAmps with a 741 should practically produce the same sound as the original. But again this is a subjective matter. > Well, the difference between us is that I do > not 'think', I 'know'. Of course, the test I > ran applies specifically to the CR-7. It's > possible that different deck models would > result in different findings. > Im not disagreeing with what you said ... ive been reading too much of the DIY convos so mentioned the caps and ICs in the same breath .. or for a moment thinkin logically that ICs have caps too .. hence the burn in ? In any case i think there would be a definite audible difference if heard intently .. but subjective again. > You are free to believe in the burn-in > mystique. I have yet to hear a single > plausible explanation of how burn-in > affects ICs (and no one mentions why it > would affect audio circuits and not such > things as analog computers or atomic > clocks. > Regards Soumi From john.bowley at mypostoffice.co.uk Wed Jan 30 20:11:09 2008 From: john.bowley at mypostoffice.co.uk (Dave Bowley) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:11:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Problems with meters on an MR-1 Message-ID: <00be01c86373$e0cd9f20$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Can anyone advise on the likley soucres of problems with the meters on an MR-1. I have recently acquired one that runs/plays/records seemingly fine to my old ears from headphone socket/XLR unbalanced [to phonos via adaptors]/jacks [to phonos via adaptors] but in all cases the LH meter shows low level not commensurate with the sound level & approx 2 -3 segments lower than the RH one. After reading an item in the archives [I think it was Scott J & others] about the brown glue disease afflicting the MR-1 in partic I have already cleaned up the surface of the fuses board with Isoprop alcohol but have yet to do anything with the vertical meter board although this does show an area of brown dried gluelike stain adjacent to some small round condensors on the board. I do also have a basic meter & a BX-300 manual but know that the MR-1 is different & has two chips separately driving each meter. Also I am a novice when it comes to electronics but can usually fix things with an input of [detailed] technical advice. Anyone already faced & fixed this issue with their machine(s) & could assist ? A schematic of the MR-1 circuitry & component values/layouts for the MR-1 to augment my BX-300 which will do for most purposes would also be great Thanks Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Jan 30 20:43:30 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:43:30 EST Subject: [naktalk] question about DR decks Message-ID: OK, I've got 2 questions. What's the difference between the DR-2 and the DR-10? What's the difference between the DR-3 and the DR-8? JW **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wjw at warwick.net Wed Jan 30 21:31:55 2008 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:31:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] question about DR decks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47A0DEBB.8030306@warwick.net> I can tell you that the DR-10 is a 3 head machine, and the DR-8 is a 2 head machine, ala Nakamichi's basic design. I can't give you a comparison regarding the DR-2 or the DR-3. But I have both the DR-10 and the DR-8, and I would say that the DR-10 is the more desirable machine. Not to "hi-jack" this thread, but my DR-10 "pooped out" on me the other day, after 7 years of use, but not heavy use- one day a week for a few hours. Suddenly it would Fast Forward and Rewind OK, but would not advance the tape in either the Play or Record mode. I determined that it was not due to the particular tape I was using, but is the machine itself. Anyone know what might be causing this? Might be best to answer this question in a separate thread. Thanks, Bill W. Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > OK, I've got 2 questions. > > What's the difference between the DR-2 and the DR-10? > > What's the difference between the DR-3 and the DR-8? > > JW > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape > > in the new year. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 30 23:50:31 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:50:31 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Problems with meters on an MR-1 Message-ID: <5935684.1201733431218.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The parts are not specified, but there are some photos and probably somebody will find something he has been looking for a long time. Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Spare-Parts-Assortment_W0QQitemZ370017986396QQihZ024QQcategoryZ14980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem? The other two are USA-only and offer 2 Nak Calibration Tapes: DA09005B 400 Hz and DA09001B 20 kHz. The owner stated the condition of the tapes as new. Here are the links: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Cassette-Alignment-Tape-DA09001B-20Khz_W0QQitemZ150211681921QQihZ005QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Cassette-Alignment-Tape-DA09005B-400Hz_W0QQitemZ150211682285QQihZ005QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Nick. PS. I'm neither concerned?with the items being sold, nor connected with the sellers in any way. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. 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Cheers dave http://zabava.septem.cz/Blbustky/obrazky/kazety/ From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Jan 31 16:26:20 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:26:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Answer Your $%&@ E-Mail!!! Message-ID: <013120081526.22202.47A1E89C000D5B07000056BA22120207849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I have a small complaint to make, regarding e-mail etiquette. On a few occasions, I have attempted to contact a couple of members of Naktalk. When I have contacted these members, the purpose was to ask to see if they had certain parts and/or service tools. The way I see it, these simple requests have two (2) possible answers: YES...or...NO. Simple courtesy would assume that the recipient of the request would be willing and able to give me one of those two answers, but on more than one occasion, I get NO response at all. Why can't people be bothered to answer a simple e-mail request? If the answer is "YES", and they have what I'm looking for, then we can proceed from there. If the answer is "NO", I certainly won't get my feelings hurt. After all, I was asking, not commanding. But it's a bit rude to just leave someone hanging, particularly if they are just asking for information. Don't get me wrong--I'm not losing sleep over this. But there is one regular Naktalk contributor in particular, who I have asked--repeatedly, on more than one occasion--to tell me if he has certain parts, only to get completely ignored. This most recent time, I got lucky--that person sent me one e-mail response, asking for more information. But then that was the LAST I heard from him. I e-mailed a couple more times, but it apparently fell on deaf ears. I should have known better. One previous time I asked this person--repeatedly--for a couple of case screws for my T-100, and *NEVER* got *ANY* kind of response at all. It's one thing to be very busy. I understand that we all have obligations and lives to lead, and that Nakamichi decks aren't exactly topmost on one's list of priorities. But lots of people, both on and off Naktalk, e-mail me almost daily, asking for information about their decks. I *always* make it a point to respond to them. If I don't know the answer to their question, I refer them to someone who does. It's just common courtesy, folks. I'm not asking for a long-winded response (like the ones I give! LOL). A simple response of one sentence--heck, even one WORD--would suffice. If we are all a group of Nak fans, then that means that we are ALL part of the group. We shouldn't pick and choose who we will--or will not--respond to. SO....since I cannot get an answer from "so-and-so", I will make this parts request to everyone here: I am looking for the small 10k pot, with a "D" shaft, that you commonly find in the auto-reverse mechanism in the RX series (it's mounted on the metal plate fastened to the bottom of the deck). This same pot is also found in the control mechanism on the classic transport. I need one of these pots to complete a repair, and will gladly pay a fair price for it. Can anyone help me out with this? Any help or info will be MUCH appreciated. *andy* From soumitra at soumitrab.com Thu Jan 31 17:07:16 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:37:16 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about the transformers References: <200801311104.m0VB0TRC011981@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <003a01c86423$5df66180$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi all Im trying to remove the existing power transformers and replace them with toroidal types, so i can select between 115/230V pri. The typical rating as per the label on the transformer is (i think) 22W ... so what should i select for : a) Secondary :- 15V or 24V ? b) Current :- 1A or 2A THanks Soumi From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jan 31 17:42:00 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:42:00 EST Subject: [naktalk] E-bay: Spare Parts, Calibration Tapes Message-ID: In a message dated 1/31/2008 12:35:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, modernizy at netscape.net writes: First auction is rather rare thing at E-bay: liquidation sale, a bunch of spare parts for Naks. The parts are not specified, but there are some photos and probably somebody will find something he has been looking for a long time. Here is the link: _http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Spare-Parts-Assortment_W0QQitemZ370017986396QQihZ024QQcategoryZ14980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Spare-Parts-Assortment_W0QQitemZ370017986396QQi hZ024QQcategoryZ14980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) I personally am not bidding on this parts auction because Tom Brucker put a bid in on it. If he wins the auction, we probably all win. If some DIY-er wins it, i the parts will sit in a box forever. Recently I was going to bid on some calibration tapes that went up on eBay from a retired French Canadian. I searched out the parts numbers on the tapes and got a good idea of what they cost new. While I was doing a Google search, I stumbled on an article which said buying used calibration tapes probably isn't a good idea, as they fail over time precisely because they get wear from heads that are misaligned. In the end, the batch went for such a high price i wondered if the guys who were bidding realized that they could have had the most of same stuff new for almost the same price. Jeff W **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 31 15:21:03 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:21:03 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Alignment tapes Message-ID: <328511.1201789263767.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The two Nak cassettes on eBay would make a nice set. The 20kHz PB frequency response tape can be used as an azimuth tape. Levels will be down a bit with 2 head decks. Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2008\2008-July.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Jul 1 22:59:06 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:59:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Ultimate Nakamichi Accessory! In-Reply-To: <12296637.1214840015111.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <12296637.1214840015111.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom, On Jun 30, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Now try a piano. I imagine anything plucked or hammered has an > initial transient that may never be properly recorded. > I'm not so sure about that. Over the years I've heard some spectacular recording equipment that was capable of recordings nearly indistinguishable from a live instrument. A piano attack is often the very thing used to evaluate recording equipment, and I've seen quite a bit of equipment that passed with flying colors. I'd suggest you try a recording of piano with an outstanding small diaphragm omni condensor mike like a Josephson, DPA or Earthworks. For the recorder, pick your choice of a Westrex "Rubber Line" in pristine condition, Linn-modified Neumann record lathe with custom amplifiers, Ampex MR70, MM1100, ATR-100; 3M 79, Scully 280, 280B or 100; Studer A80, Telefunken M3, Genex 9000 with Meitner SACD A/D/A convertors, or the original Stockham Soundstream. For suitable mike preamps you have quite a few great choices, including tube, transistor and opamp designs. With fanatic attention to setting levels and calibration, even > Any process that samples, compands, or phase shifts for EQ will > introduce change, even if technically "out of band". > Correct, I wish more people knew that. I feel the challenge to the recordist is to minimize the changes that are perceptible. Many of the possible changes may be measurable but if they are not perceptible I'd suggest that they're of little or no practical effect. > One of the greatest audio measurement breakthroughs was reported in > Absolute Sound. Bandwidth measurements taken right at the cartridge > while playing actual records found frequencies in the transients at > 68kHz! > I remember reading that but being quite skeptical. I'm not saying it isn't true but I'm very, very skeptical of that claim. I've operated stereo record cutters and can tell you from experience that few are capable of recording anything about 22 Kcps, and those that are capable seldom can achieve much above 50 Kcps (usually those fitted with quadiphonic cutter styli). Even if the record cutter can reach to 68 Kcps, you have the problem of finding a disc blank that is of high- enough quality to be cut at 68 Kcps. Assuming you have a disc blank that is of high-enough quality to be cut at 68 Kcps, you now have to be sure that those high etchings are lost through the process of "sputtering" the master disc, then the subsequent steps of making the "mothers" from the master, sputtering the "mothers", making the "stamper masters", then pressing the copies that are sold. Assuming the disc's 68 Kcps etchings have made it through all those steps, they have to survive being played on the listener's turntable by a diamond stylus -- without the stylus wearing away the 68 Kcps etchings. That sounds like Las Vegas odds to me. Inferring frequency from microscopic measurements of the disc grooves is subject to error and misinterpretation, even by the best technicians. Okay,k I admit to being wary of claims made by magazines because magazine circulation increases following publication of spectacular claims such as that. Overall, though, I'll admit that The Absolute Sound has published some excellent work. They're a "must-read." -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Jul 1 23:18:10 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:18:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Ultimate Nakamichi Accessory! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <018A2FCD-475D-4CF1-A0FA-11AA3F842250@kvglabs.com> Hi Ali, On Jun 27, 2008, at 5:27 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Kermit, Recently I went to a sale where they had complete drum > set for sale just out of curiousity I decided just to give them a > try to see what real instruements sound like in person , one testing > of cymbals and banging the drum with a stick produced a sound that > made me think! that there is no way! any hi-fi audio equipment no > matter how good it is can EVER! produce the echo , decay and sheer > dynamics of the real instruement heard inperson. It probably will > require thousands and thousands of watts of power and massive > woofers to reproduce the kind of sound you hear from the real > musical instruments, what is your take on this? Thanks! You've just described what keeps me going -- the quest for practical affordable recording and playback equipment that can come tantalizing close to what you experience live. I'm an optimist, I think you can get quite close. That's been the "bottom line" of the past 34 years of research I've conducted. As I often mention to anyone, over the years I've heard some spectacular recording equipment that was capable of recordings nearly indistinguishable from a live instrument. Most of that equipment was ultra-high-end, custom-made equipment operated under ideal conditions, but I've also heard recorders you wouldn't think of os particularly good make surprisingly realistic recordings. Some of the non-ultra-high-end recorders I've heard make wonderfully- realistic recordings have included most better-quality home reel-to- reels, Nakamichi 550, and even the original Tascam PortaStudio. The key, in my opinion, is fanatic attention to detail and the willingness to practice and perfect the recording technique. Also keep in mind that a playback system must achieve realistic sound pressure levels as part of achieving a sense of liveness and reality. In a large venue this requires enormous loudspeaker arrays powered by many amplifiers, but in a small room you can achieve realistic sound pressure levels with a single stereo amplifier and a pair of small speakers. This is good news for the home listener and the reason I advocate the nearfield speaker approach for home use -- it eases the requirements for large speakers and high-powered amplifiers. With care, a speaker with a 6.5 inch woofer powered by a 40 watt amplifier can be designed to reproduce pop music at live concert levels with low distortion and a minimum of coloration. Orchestral music will demand a bigger woofer, but nowhere near the huge size you may be imagining. I've always advocated that a live instrument be the standard by which all recording systems and playback systems be judged, not a "reference system" as so many magazine reviewers do. Hey, you can always find another piece of equipment that is better than or worse than the equipment being reviewed, so I've never been impressed by equipment reviews that compare the equipment to a "reference system." -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Jul 2 00:18:43 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:18:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Ultimate Nakamichi Accessory! In-Reply-To: References: <12296637.1214840015111.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <041001c8dbc8$6d382f80$47a88e80$@com> Yup. I can't for the life of me remember which record it is, but I have one of classical piano that, on my Lenco with an Ortofon OM40 sounds VERY life-like. Not many seem to sound that good but this recording (mono and I seem to recall, from around 1950s) is special, in spite of the "open fire" effects! I am trying to remember which it is anyway because I want to hear what it sounds like now I have fitted a Cartridge Man's (Len Gregory) Music Maker III cartridge to the old Lenco. Graham From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:59 PM To: Tom Brucker; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Ultimate Nakamichi Accessory! Hi Tom, On Jun 30, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: Now try a piano. I imagine anything plucked or hammered has an initial transient that may never be properly recorded. I'm not so sure about that. Over the years I've heard some spectacular recording equipment that was capable of recordings nearly indistinguishable from a live instrument. A piano attack is often the very thing used to evaluate recording equipment, and I've seen quite a bit of equipment that passed with flying colors. I'd suggest you try a recording of piano with an outstanding small diaphragm omni condensor mike like a Josephson, DPA or Earthworks. For the recorder, pick your choice of a Westrex "Rubber Line" in pristine condition, Linn-modified Neumann record lathe with custom amplifiers, Ampex MR70, MM1100, ATR-100; 3M 79, Scully 280, 280B or 100; Studer A80, Telefunken M3, Genex 9000 with Meitner SACD A/D/A convertors, or the original Stockham Soundstream. For suitable mike preamps you have quite a few great choices, including tube, transistor and opamp designs. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Jul 2 00:25:52 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:25:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: The Ultimate Nakamichi Accessory! Drum recordings References: <018A2FCD-475D-4CF1-A0FA-11AA3F842250@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <042401c8dbc9$6c93bcb0$45bb3610$@com> The best reproduction of drums I have ever heard was at the Manchester Hi Fi Show must be a decade ago. I don't recall the source or the speakers being used but the amps were Chords. I used to be a drummer, a pretty cr#p one but a drummer nevertheless. So, I'm well tuned to what a set of drums, high hat, crash and ride cymbals should like. You've heard reviewers say "I shut my eyes and I was there ." Well, I didn't even have to shut my eyes! It was like I was standing right close to the ride cymbals. Why, I could even tell what kind of heads the drum sticks had, wood or nylon - in fact, the drummer used both! Graham From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:18 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Ultimate Nakamichi Accessory! Hi Ali, On Jun 27, 2008, at 5:27 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Kermit, Recently I went to a sale where they had complete drum set for sale just out of curiousity I decided just to give them a try to see what real instruements sound like in person , one testing of cymbals and banging the drum with a stick produced a sound that made me think! that there is no way! any hi-fi audio equipment no matter how good it is can EVER! produce the echo , decay and sheer dynamics of the real instruement heard inperson. It probably will require thousands and thousands of watts of power and massive woofers to reproduce the kind of sound you hear from the real musical instruments, what is your take on this? Thanks! You've just described what keeps me going -- the quest for practical affordable recording and playback equipment that can come tantalizing close to what you experience live. I'm an optimist, I think you can get quite close. That's been the "bottom line" of the past 34 years of research I've conducted. As I often mention to anyone, over the years I've heard some spectacular recording equipment that was capable of recordings nearly indistinguishable from a live instrument. Most of that equipment was ultra-high-end, custom-made equipment operated under ideal conditions, but I've also heard recorders you wouldn't think of os particularly good make surprisingly realistic recordings. Some of the non-ultra-high-end recorders I've heard make wonderfully-realistic recordings have included most better-quality home reel-to-reels, Nakamichi 550, and even the original Tascam PortaStudio. The key, in my opinion, is fanatic attention to detail and the willingness to practice and perfect the recording technique. Also keep in mind that a playback system must achieve realistic sound pressure levels as part of achieving a sense of liveness and reality. In a large venue this requires enormous loudspeaker arrays powered by many amplifiers, but in a small room you can achieve realistic sound pressure levels with a single stereo amplifier and a pair of small speakers. This is good news for the home listener and the reason I advocate the nearfield speaker approach for home use -- it eases the requirements for large speakers and high-powered amplifiers. With care, a speaker with a 6.5 inch woofer powered by a 40 watt amplifier can be designed to reproduce pop music at live concert levels with low distortion and a minimum of coloration. Orchestral music will demand a bigger woofer, but nowhere near the huge size you may be imagining. I've always advocated that a live instrument be the standard by which all recording systems and playback systems be judged, not a "reference system" as so many magazine reviewers do. Hey, you can always find another piece of equipment that is better than or worse than the equipment being reviewed, so I've never been impressed by equipment reviews that compare the equipment to a "reference system." -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Tue Jul 1 22:09:01 2008 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:09:01 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] dragon Message-ID: <004001c8dbb6$5050e9f0$0201a8c0@celmdnbw> Hello, Is there any chance to find Dragon's power and eject buttons like new? Ural -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uraldurusu at ttmail.com Tue Jul 1 21:33:23 2008 From: uraldurusu at ttmail.com (Ural Durusu) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:33:23 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] DR-10 head problem? References: <22225221.1214840489728.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001a01c8dbb1$5a2508d0$0201a8c0@celmdnbw> Yes I had a smilar problem with my open reel tape I tought that I had cleaned the head but a few seconds later one of the channels goes down significantly. So I called my technician he advised me to check the both rec/pback heads with a light and a magnifier. Then I saw there was a thin line of oxide contamination on one side of the record head. After cleaning the head carefully now everything is perfect. Ural -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks alot... > > Mark > > From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Jul 4 21:28:54 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:28:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 682zx service and user manuals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080704192854.KFCB22820.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> www.ebaman.com but there's an error in that the server has crashed. The other place is hifiengine.com I have both in .pdg if you want me to email them to you. At 01:37 AM 7/4/2008, you wrote: >Hello, > >Does anyone know if these are available online somewhere? Thanks alot... > >Mark > > > > > >---------- >Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient >used cars. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sat Jul 5 04:04:16 2008 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:04:16 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 calibration problem Message-ID: I am trying to recalibrate my ZX-9. It improved when I replaced two orange caps (4700P) in the bias oscillator circuit. But still the right signal will not come up to 0db. I first adjusted the slide lever of the Azimuth cable to the centre slit inside. Then I adjusted the Playback head and azimuth with Luis' tapes. Then I adjusted the record head and azimuth using the built in tones and also computer generated tones and with viewing and adjusting using a PC Audio Level Meter. I tried both settings numerous times, recording on a metal tape. When I got a reasonable result, the right signal would not come past 2 segments below 0db. I checked the same tape with the deck's Azimuth control and this showed the azimuth to be out (green light to the right) and it took about 1 1/4 turns to correct it. Then the bias settings are worse. Does this anomaly mean that the heads need tilt and stroke adjustments or roller guide adjustment? Any suggestion appreciated. David From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Sun Jul 6 03:18:27 2008 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:18:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Heeeelp!! : RE- Nakamichi Soundspace 8 Message-ID: I came by a Nakamichi Soundspace8 system i bought for 50 bucks with the Main unit and the Subwoofer only. Its missing all connecting cords and both sattelites as well as the instruction manual.I spent at least an hour on google trying to find information on what Din cord I need for the system control between the main unit and the subwoofer.Also I looked to byu the owners manual and could not find that. It also seems that Nakamichi support is no longer available. Theres literally no information or maunuals available on this system that I could find. I did fing a replacement remote control for 42.00 plus shipping, but not certain if I can get by without it. The Din plug has 3 holes on top, 3 holes n the middle and 2 holes on bottom. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. -- From dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk Sat Jul 5 00:30:30 2008 From: dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk (Dave Bowley) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 22:30:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 682zx service and user manuals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm pretty sure that both are available for download 'foc' on Ebaman site but the schematics on the service manual are poor, text is OK. There are also ones for the 680ZX as well. Plenty of other sites will also have them for download at around $15 - $20 each in better quality if you need this From: EL34GUY at aol.comDate: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:37:04 -0400To: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 682zx service and user manuals Hello, Does anyone know if these are available online somewhere? Thanks alot... Mark Gas prices getting you down? 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Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient > used cars. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sun Jul 6 20:37:27 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 13:37:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Strong demagnetizer-metal tapes? In-Reply-To: <001701c8dea1$6d4be350$6400000a@caldwell> References: <001701c8dea1$6d4be350$6400000a@caldwell> Message-ID: <6C316B37-B4F1-4D68-8FBE-4D1677342E1B@kvglabs.com> Hi Scott, I'd be glad to help you out on that. I have a powerful Gibson Girl countertop bulk eraser that can erase up to 2-inch videotapes. I've erased many metal cassettes on it. My address is below. On Jul 5, 2008, at 8:17 AM, The Caldwell's wrote: > I bought some used metal cassettes from member pharmboy a while > back. I also bought a Robins bulk demagnetizer on eBay. > Unfortunately, the Robins unit I have is not strong enough to fully > erase the metal tapes, even after 8-10 passes of about 2 minutes each. > > If you own a strong demagnetizer that is capable of fully erasing > metal tape, would you be willing to erase about 10 metal tapes for > me? I live in Minnesota and could mail them via Media Mail to you. > If yes, let me know how much? > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It also seems that >Nakamichi support is no longer available. >Theres literally no information or maunuals available on this system that >I could find. >I did fing a replacement remote control for 42.00 plus shipping, but not >certain if I can get by without it. >The Din plug has 3 holes on top, 3 holes n the middle and 2 holes on >bottom. >Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. >-- > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From EL34GUY at aol.com Sun Jul 6 23:01:24 2008 From: EL34GUY at aol.com (EL34GUY at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:01:24 EDT Subject: [naktalk] thanks for all the great advice and info Message-ID: Hello All, I would just like to say thanks for all the feedback I got from everyone on needing a service and owners manual for a 682zx. I got it all covered in about 2 hours!! I also received a lot of advice to allow me to fix a bx-300 deck as well. I just put a new idler tire on and was all set. Thanks again. Really appreciate the group, thanks again Mark **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jul 7 14:56:27 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 05:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 calibration problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <121235.98959.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You may have to check the bias oscillator for correct bias current flowing out of this part- you need wide bandwidth VTVM.( as orange caps alone may not cure the Bias Oscillator sometimes). then ofcourse - tilt check on play/record heads is a must before track alignment.  Assuming your head alignments are near Correct position; bias oscillator should be checked for bias current before suspecting other areas- normally I would suggest handing over this job to a tech with correct tools and experience to get to correct alignment including heads.   Kannan --- On Fri, 7/4/08, David Thompson wrote: From: David Thompson Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 calibration problem To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 10:04 PM I am trying to recalibrate my ZX-9. It improved when I replaced two orange caps (4700P) in the bias oscillator circuit. But still the right signal will not come up to 0db. I first adjusted the slide lever of the Azimuth cable to the centre slit inside. Then I adjusted the Playback head and azimuth with Luis' tapes. Then I adjusted the record head and azimuth using the built in tones and also computer generated tones and with viewing and adjusting using a PC Audio Level Meter. I tried both settings numerous times, recording on a metal tape. When I got a reasonable result, the right signal would not come past 2 segments below 0db. I checked the same tape with the deck's Azimuth control and this showed the azimuth to be out (green light to the right) and it took about 1 1/4 turns to correct it. Then the bias settings are worse. Does this anomaly mean that the heads need tilt and stroke adjustments or roller guide adjustment? Any suggestion appreciated. David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue Jul 8 17:54:10 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 10:54:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NEW 8096-D2 2nd Generation Message-ID: <48738DA2.7050804@marrscommunications.com> Hello All members, For anyone interested, I am having the 2nd Generation OCO 8096-D Manufactured. Labeled the 8096-D2 ( for 9.2" ). The Guaranteed specifications of the D-2 belt are as follows: 9.2" ( 233.680mm ) X .200 ( 5.0800mm ) X .017" ( .43180mm ). Wall ( thickness ), is Guaranteed to within: ( + / - .001 same as the original "D". Installation of markings on this belt are Cost Prohibitive ! This would add about $10.00 the selling price of this belt. Based on my past experience, I felt sure no one would want to pay the additional cost ! In addition, It would not make the D2 as competitively priced. Delivery of the new belt is approximately 30 days after the order is placed. The Preliminary selling price will be $27.95 each. If interested, and you would like to save a couple of Dollars, I will accept Orders ( OFF LINE ) through July 13th 2008 at 12:00 AM, at a price of $23.00 each, any quantity ! (Shipping NOT included). Again, if interested, contact me DIRECTLY ! Thanks, Fred @ Marrs Communications From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 8 20:41:55 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:41:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] NEW 8096-D2 2nd Generation Message-ID: <29884859.1215542515305.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> oh happy day! dimensions from an C8096C, hand heal micrometer 231mm x 4.8mm x 0.5mm plus or minus 4% I consider Fred's measurements to be equal, since measuring with a micrometer isn't the most accurate method. Thank you Fred. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Marrs Communications >Sent: Jul 8, 2008 10:54 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] NEW 8096-D2 2nd Generation > >Hello All members, > >For anyone interested, I am having the 2nd Generation OCO 8096-D >Manufactured. Labeled the 8096-D2 ( for 9.2" ). The Guaranteed >specifications of the D-2 belt are as follows: > >9.2" ( 233.680mm ) X .200 ( 5.0800mm ) X .017" ( .43180mm ). Wall ( >thickness ), is Guaranteed to within: ( + / - .001 same as the original >"D". > >Installation of markings on this belt are Cost Prohibitive ! This would >add about $10.00 the selling price of this belt. Based on my past >experience, I felt sure no one would want to pay the additional cost ! >In addition, It would not make the D2 as competitively priced. > >Delivery of the new belt is approximately 30 days after the order is >placed. The Preliminary selling price will be $27.95 each. If >interested, and you would like to save a couple of Dollars, I will >accept Orders ( OFF LINE ) through July 13th 2008 at 12:00 AM, at a >price of $23.00 each, any quantity ! >(Shipping NOT included). > >Again, if interested, contact me DIRECTLY ! Thanks, Fred @ Marrs >Communications > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From gjgkerrtx at ktc.com Tue Jul 8 23:05:00 2008 From: gjgkerrtx at ktc.com (jerryjg) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:05:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Heeeelp!! : RE- Nakamichi Soundspace 8 Message-ID: Seems like a Monkey outfit now. Some jerk comes on the line and says"Eddie Palacios", then your prompted to leave a message. What a sad testament to the former glory of Nakamichi customer Service( I recall all the threads back in the day of the woman at Nakamichi who would bend over backwards to assist you). [naktalk] Heeeelp!! : RE- Nakamichi Soundspace 8 Tom Brucker hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Jul 6 18:16:43 CEST 2008 Previous message: [naktalk] Heeeelp!! : RE- Nakamichi Soundspace 8 Next message: [naktalk] thanks for all the great advice and info Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Call 818-702-1109 for the current Nakamichi parts department. tom brucker -----Original Message----- > From: jerryjg > Sent: Jul 5, 2008 8:18 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Heeeelp!! : RE- Nakamichi Soundspace 8 > > I came by a Nakamichi Soundspace8 system i bought for 50 bucks with the > Main unit and the Subwoofer only. Its missing all connecting cords and > both sattelites as well as the instruction manual.I spent at least an > hour on google trying to find information on what Din cord I need for > the system control between the main unit and the subwoofer.Also I looked > to byu the owners manual and could not find that. It also seems that > Nakamichi support is no longer available. > Theres literally no information or maunuals available on this system > that I could find. > I did fing a replacement remote control for 42.00 plus shipping, but not > certain if I can get by without it. > The Din plug has 3 holes on top, 3 holes n the middle and 2 holes on > bottom. > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. > -- > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -- From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jul 9 14:03:09 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Heeeelp!! : RE- Nakamichi Soundspace 8 Message-ID: <4558521.1215604989747.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I haven't had any luck either lately. I need a pickup for a CD500 car stereo. I'll try other options and report if I get a better number. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: jerryjg >Sent: Jul 8, 2008 5:05 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Heeeelp!! : RE- Nakamichi Soundspace 8 > >Seems like a Monkey outfit now. Some jerk comes on the line and says"Eddie >Palacios", then your prompted to leave a message. What a sad testament to >the former glory of Nakamichi customer Service( I recall all the threads >back in the day of the woman at Nakamichi who would bend over backwards to >assist you). > > >[naktalk] Heeeelp!! : RE- Nakamichi Soundspace 8 >Tom Brucker hitech77 at earthlink.net >Sun Jul 6 18:16:43 CEST 2008 > >Previous message: [naktalk] Heeeelp!! : RE- Nakamichi Soundspace 8 >Next message: [naktalk] thanks for all the great advice and info >Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >Call 818-702-1109 for the current Nakamichi parts department. > >tom brucker > > >-----Original Message----- >> From: jerryjg >> Sent: Jul 5, 2008 8:18 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Heeeelp!! : RE- Nakamichi Soundspace 8 >> >> I came by a Nakamichi Soundspace8 system i bought for 50 bucks with the >> Main unit and the Subwoofer only. Its missing all connecting cords and >> both sattelites as well as the instruction manual.I spent at least an >> hour on google trying to find information on what Din cord I need for >> the system control between the main unit and the subwoofer.Also I looked >> to byu the owners manual and could not find that. It also seems that >> Nakamichi support is no longer available. >> Theres literally no information or maunuals available on this system >> that I could find. >> I did fing a replacement remote control for 42.00 plus shipping, but not >> certain if I can get by without it. >> The Din plug has 3 holes on top, 3 holes n the middle and 2 holes on >> bottom. >> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. >> -- >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 > >-- > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jul 9 15:00:07 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:00:07 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] clarification on C8096D2 belt Message-ID: <32649453.1215608407678.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Since I have been seen as a critic of the C8096D belt, I want to clarify that I am very happy, and Fred's D2 belt has the exact dimensions of the original 8096C. sorry if there was any confusion. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From jamiep8 at comcast.net Wed Jul 9 15:42:34 2008 From: jamiep8 at comcast.net (jamiep8 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:42:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High Com II Hoise Reduction Message-ID: <070920081342.22967.4874C04A0003CA27000059B72205886442C89F0A07030E06@comcast.net> I was able to get my hands on a Nakamichi High Com II Noise Reduction Unit recently. And it makes a big difference in reducing tape noise. If anyone has had any experience with this particular unit, or could share some insight into it, it would b e greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Telefunken decided to create a compander noise reduction system and the needed ICs to implement it economically. The first system, called TelCom, was intended solely for professional recorders and quickly became quite popular with European broadcasters. TelCom solved all of the mistracking and calibration problems of DBX and Dolby. As an unexpected bonus, TelCom has a "sweet" character to its sonic imprint. The consumer version was designated as HighCom. Many recordists feel HighCom is completely superior to DBX or Dolby. Unfortunately, it was not a great commercial success because by the time of its introduction Dolby was already well-established in the marketplace, and DBX was cheaper to implement and to license. Only about a million and a half cassette recorders were sold using the system. HighCom, DBX and Dolby aren't compatible, and the market was beginning to weary of competing and incompatible noise reduction formats. Very early HighCom circuits suffered from pumping effects with fast transients or programs having deep bass content. Nakamichi neverthless decided to implement HighCom, and improved its tracking and detector circuits, reducing the tendency to suffer from pumping. Nakamichi's improved version was designated HighCom II. On Jul 9, 2008, at 8:42 AM, jamiep8 at comcast.net wrote: > I was able to get my hands on a Nakamichi High Com II Noise > Reduction Unit recently. And it makes a big difference in reducing > tape noise. If anyone has had any experience with this particular > unit, or could share some insight into it, it would b e greatly > appreciated. Thanks, Mike > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Jul 9 22:24:27 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:24:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High Com II Hoise Reduction In-Reply-To: <079CD323-CE13-4EB9-962D-480140FCCC63@kvglabs.com> References: <070920081342.22967.4874C04A0003CA27000059B72205886442C89F0A07030E06@comcast.net> <079CD323-CE13-4EB9-962D-480140FCCC63@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <016101c8e201$ca929d70$5fb7d850$@com> I had a HighCom II. I didn't like it. I felt it filtered out high frequencies, taking the zing and the ting out of cymbals such they sound rather dulled. But others may disagree. Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:20 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi High Com II Hoise Reduction Hi Mike, Congratulations on your new acquisition! The HighCom noise reduction system was developed by Telefunken during the 1970s because they were very dissatisfied with the ineffectiveness of Dolby A & Dolby B systems, and the difficulty of successfully implementing the DBX system in consumer recorders. DBX had promised a consumer version of DBX by 1975, but it was not delivered in a useable form until 1981 after it was refined by Matsushita and by Tascam. Telefunken decided to create a compander noise reduction system and the needed ICs to implement it economically. The first system, called TelCom, was intended solely for professional recorders and quickly became quite popular with European broadcasters. TelCom solved all of the mistracking and calibration problems of DBX and Dolby. As an unexpected bonus, TelCom has a "sweet" character to its sonic imprint. The consumer version was designated as HighCom. Many recordists feel HighCom is completely superior to DBX or Dolby. Unfortunately, it was not a great commercial success because by the time of its introduction Dolby was already well-established in the marketplace, and DBX was cheaper to implement and to license. Only about a million and a half cassette recorders were sold using the system. HighCom, DBX and Dolby aren't compatible, and the market was beginning to weary of competing and incompatible noise reduction formats. Very early HighCom circuits suffered from pumping effects with fast transients or programs having deep bass content. Nakamichi neverthless decided to implement HighCom, and improved its tracking and detector circuits, reducing the tendency to suffer from pumping. Nakamichi's improved version was designated HighCom II. On Jul 9, 2008, at 8:42 AM, jamiep8 at comcast.net wrote: > I was able to get my hands on a Nakamichi High Com II Noise > Reduction Unit recently. And it makes a big difference in reducing > tape noise. If anyone has had any experience with this particular > unit, or could share some insight into it, it would b e greatly > appreciated. Thanks, Mike > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Jul 9 23:04:32 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:04:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High Com II Hoise Reduction In-Reply-To: <016101c8e201$ca929d70$5fb7d850$@com> References: <070920081342.22967.4874C04A0003CA27000059B72205886442C89F0A07030E06@comcast.net> <079CD323-CE13-4EB9-962D-480140FCCC63@kvglabs.com> <016101c8e201$ca929d70$5fb7d850$@com> Message-ID: <7F2DF4AF-3F5E-4C1C-95F3-B7AC1965F151@kvglabs.com> Hi Gra' On Jul 9, 2008, at 3:24 PM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > I had a HighCom II. I didn't like it. I felt it filtered out high > frequencies, taking the zing and the ting out of cymbals such they > sound > rather dulled. But others may disagree. > > Graham I loved the sound of TelCom, the studio version -- it really was sweet and magic sounding, but I agree with you about the cassette version, HighCom II. I never could get the calibration perfect so that it didn't dull the sound. in contrast, I could always get Dolby NRs adjusted so they were as clear as light, and I was always able to get DBX NRs adjusted so that the tape actually had lower distortion with the DBX than it did without the DBX! -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From fsclaol at yahoo.com Wed Jul 9 19:08:24 2008 From: fsclaol at yahoo.com (Fred S.C. Li) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 10:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] See Dee Player Part 2....... Message-ID: <308520.55414.qm@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>   May be a Sony Play Station 1?   July 2008 Stereophile tests / reviews the "legacy" game platform as a source player of audio CDs.   Second and Third paragraphs in "Conclusion" sums it up.   Hmmmmm, now, I'm curious to find one to listen to..........and compare against a Pioneer LD....   Fred in CT..... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gregoryfuentes at att.net Thu Jul 10 00:48:45 2008 From: gregoryfuentes at att.net (gregoryfuentes at att.net) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:48:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7As For Sale, Including Mine Message-ID: <070920082248.4881.4875404D000576030000131122243651029B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9B020A9A00979D01090A9D09@att.net> Several of these decks currently are listed on Ebay. You can find them by using Nakamichi CR-7A as the search term. One such deck is mine. My Ebay name is fuenteslosangeles. 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URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 9 17:27:04 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Heeeelp!! : RE- Nakamichi Soundspace 8 In-Reply-To: <4558521.1215604989747.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <445247.46963.qm@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had to make a power supply for a SoundSpace 5. Jeff at ES Labs agreed to scan the power supply schematic page for $10, I think. Contact: jeff at nakamichi.us Warren Tom Brucker wrote: I haven't had any luck either lately. I need a pickup for a CD500 car stereo. I'll try other options and report if I get a better number. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: jerryjg >Sent: Jul 8, 2008 5:05 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Heeeelp!! : RE- Nakamichi Soundspace 8 > >Seems like a Monkey outfit now. Some jerk comes on the line and says"Eddie >Palacios", then your prompted to leave a message. What a sad testament to >the former glory of Nakamichi customer Service( I recall all the threads >back in the day of the woman at Nakamichi who would bend over backwards to >assist you). > > >[naktalk] Heeeelp!! : RE- Nakamichi Soundspace 8 >Tom Brucker hitech77 at earthlink.net >Sun Jul 6 18:16:43 CEST 2008 > >Previous message: [naktalk] Heeeelp!! : RE- Nakamichi Soundspace 8 >Next message: [naktalk] thanks for all the great advice and info >Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >Call 818-702-1109 for the current Nakamichi parts department. > >tom brucker > > >-----Original Message----- >> From: jerryjg >> Sent: Jul 5, 2008 8:18 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Heeeelp!! : RE- Nakamichi Soundspace 8 >> >> I came by a Nakamichi Soundspace8 system i bought for 50 bucks with the >> Main unit and the Subwoofer only. Its missing all connecting cords and >> both sattelites as well as the instruction manual.I spent at least an >> hour on google trying to find information on what Din cord I need for >> the system control between the main unit and the subwoofer.Also I looked >> to byu the owners manual and could not find that. It also seems that >> Nakamichi support is no longer available. >> Theres literally no information or maunuals available on this system >> that I could find. >> I did fing a replacement remote control for 42.00 plus shipping, but not >> certain if I can get by without it. >> The Din plug has 3 holes on top, 3 holes n the middle and 2 holes on >> bottom. >> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. >> -- >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 > >-- > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jul 10 01:20:01 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:20:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480Z Problems Message-ID: <89425905-588D-4476-886B-575EF8C51629@alumni.caltech.edu> Without looking and just hazarding a guess, I'd check the pinch roller arm pivots. The grease is probably frozen on them and they aren't fully coming into position.-kby From jeruff at yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 04:19:43 2008 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High Com II Hoise Reduction In-Reply-To: <7F2DF4AF-3F5E-4C1C-95F3-B7AC1965F151@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <761718.78030.qm@web83702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello all , I hope this question isn't too off topic, but since you guys are bringing up NR, I have to ask. I have a tascam 48 1/2" 8 track recorder (runs up to 15ips) and with it two type one dbx units that mount to the bottom of the rolling cart (model #s dx-4d). I'm planning to start using the 48 in the near future and have been debating and wondering about whether or not to even try to use those dbx units. I thought it was as simple as running the signals through the machines, but I've gotten the impression that there would need to be some tweeking done in order to get the best possible sound out of the dbx units. Thus, I hesitate, as the 48 will be running awfully fast and it seems unlikely much significant noise would be heard anyway. Any thoughts would be greatfully appreciated. Thank you everyone for all your freely shared wisdom--I am in Chicago and I sometimes wonder where all the nice techs are around here! -Jesse --- Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Gra' > > > On Jul 9, 2008, at 3:24 PM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > > > I had a HighCom II. I didn't like it. I felt it > filtered out high > > frequencies, taking the zing and the ting out of > cymbals such they > > sound > > rather dulled. But others may disagree. > > > > Graham > > I loved the sound of TelCom, the studio version -- > it really was sweet > and magic sounding, but I agree with you about the > cassette version, > HighCom II. I never could get the calibration > perfect so that it > didn't dull the sound. in contrast, I could always > get Dolby NRs > adjusted so they were as clear as light, and I was > always able to get > DBX NRs adjusted so that the tape actually had lower > distortion with > the DBX than it did without the DBX! > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Thu Jul 10 15:17:19 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:17:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eslabs turnaround Message-ID: Anyone have a Nak overhauled by them? How long did it take? Jeff mentions 4 to 6 weeks. Is that realistic? Thanks Gene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Jul 10 15:40:31 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:40:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] NEW Nak Series Discovered! Message-ID: <071020081340.28219.4876114F000238F500006E3B22155612649C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> A new series of Nakamichi deck has been discovered! The "OMS" series! Funny, it looks a lot like the BX series to me...... http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Nakamichi-OMS-3A-Stereo-Cassette-Tape-Deck_W0QQitemZ330251457377QQihZ014QQcategoryZ71574QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Jul 10 18:39:19 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:39:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] eslabs turnaround In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <027801c8e2ab$820c7a80$86256f80$@com> Gene, You must take into consideration that ESL only have a small workshop. So, their turnaround times will be very sensitive to the amount of work they have to do. I'd grab the window of opportunity while they seem to have spare capacity! Graham From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gene Ess Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 2:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: geneess at nyc.rr.com Subject: [naktalk] eslabs turnaround Anyone have a Nak overhauled by them? 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URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Thu Jul 10 18:13:01 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:13:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] eslabs turnaround In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <071020081613.24283.4876350D000136DF00005EDB22230706129B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Never had a deck rebuilt due to cost. But they seem helpful and occassionally will sell a spare part. It could just be the last dedicated Nak repair facility left in the US. Some folks claim ESL purchased the remaining inventory before the old factory shuttered its doors. -------------- Original message from "Gene Ess" : -------------- Anyone have a Nak overhauled by them? How long did it take? Jeff mentions 4 to 6 weeks. Is that realistic? Thanks Gene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mine was completed in 3 months as assured.   Regards,   Ram --- On Thu, 7/10/08, Gene Ess wrote: From: Gene Ess Subject: [naktalk] eslabs turnaround To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: geneess at nyc.rr.com Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 9:17 AM Anyone have a Nak overhauled by them?  How long did it take?  Jeff mentions 4 to 6 weeks.  Is that realistic?   Thanks   Gene ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Jul 10 21:29:36 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:29:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High Com II Hoise Reduction In-Reply-To: <761718.78030.qm@web83702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <761718.78030.qm@web83702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jesse, There are two schools of thought on this. Some recordists feel that at 15 ips or faster no noise reduction is needed and using a noise reduction degrades the sound. Others feel that a properly set-up NR improves dynamic range and lowers distortion. In my experience, both positions are correct, depending on the situation. If I'm recording a subject that has wide dynamic range and where I want to capture every nuance of the delicate transients, I use the NR; if it is something that is not wide dynamic range, I'll leave the NR off. Over the years, I've had Tascam 80-8 and 38 8-channel decks, and have used the 48. With care in calibration and setting levels, they are very nice sounding decks. I dislike hard and fast rules about when to use noise reduction, or dogmatic positions about whether to use or whether to avoid noise reductions. Each situation requires its own approach. One caveat: personally, I think the Teac/Tascam DBX BR units are awful sounding. I prefer the Dolby A and SR units, or DBX 150 and 155 NRs for these decks. You'll lose some of the convenience of the Teac/ Tascam branded NRs, but the sound quality improvement is worth the slight hassle! On Jul 9, 2008, at 9:19 PM, jesse ruff wrote: > Hello all , > I hope this question isn't too off topic, but since > you guys are bringing up NR, I have to ask. I have a > tascam 48 1/2" 8 track recorder (runs up to 15ips) and > with it two type one dbx units that mount to the > bottom of the rolling cart (model #s dx-4d). I'm > planning to start using the 48 in the near future and > have been debating and wondering about whether or not > to even try to use those dbx units. I thought it was > as simple as running the signals through the > machines, but I've gotten the impression that there > would need to be some tweeking done in order to get > the best possible sound out of the dbx units. Thus, > I hesitate, as the 48 will be running awfully fast and > it seems unlikely much significant noise would be > heard anyway. Any thoughts would be greatfully > appreciated. Thank you everyone for all your freely > shared wisdom--I am in Chicago and I sometimes wonder > where all the nice techs are around here! > -Jesse -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 10 20:37:28 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:37:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] 700 II - No Sound Output Message-ID: <19221897.1215715048376.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Jul 10 20:57:51 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:57:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... Message-ID: <071020081857.4272.48765BAF0003C797000010B022155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Wouter may kill me for starting this topic, but I feel that it has at least some merit. I have been watching from the sidelines the raging debate about Fred's "8096D" belt....whether it is as "good" or as "accurate" as the original 8096C, whether it is overpriced or not, and even whether it is the correct size or not. There were a couple of posts made about the testing results of Fred's 8096D. Some comments were made that implied that Fred's belt was not a suitable replacement for the standard transport capstan belt....an elusive beast, to be sure. Many of the comments that have been made about the test results of Fred's belt were made with the assumption that the testing was conclusive; in other words, the measured test results could be taken at "face value" and therefore were not to be questioned or argued with. Well....now to the main purpose of this post. As I said, I have been watching the debate as it raged back and forth, and a thought occurred to me: If Fred's product--indeed, if ANY product at all--is to be HONESTLY and ACCURATELY analyzed, shouldn't that analysis follow the Scientific Method as closely as possible, whenever possible? The Scientific Method dictates that ALL influential factors must be taken into account. ALL variables must be accounted for. ALL testing parameters must be defined. While contemplating this, I noticed that in all of the comments made about the performance of Fred's belt, two EXTREMELY important factors have NEVER been mentioned or taken into account during testing, as far as I can tell. 1) THERE IS A BREAK-IN PERIOD. Look at the facts: Fred's 8096D belt, like ALL belts, is made of an elastic compound. This compound, by definition, is NOT a static, unchanging entity; instead, it can (and should) be considered to be quite the opposite--a pliable substance that is always in a state of FLUX (flex?) and highly influenced by various physical and environmental changes. In other words, until the belt is actually installed, it is safe to say that the belt has NEVER before been under tension. This means that when the belt is first used, it experiences a physical "adjustment period" and needs to settle in before ANY definitive measurements should be made. I have installed Fred's belt and taken readings immediately after the fact, followed by readings that were taken after a few hours' use. In EVERY case, the readings I have taken immediately after installation have been fair to mediocre, with SIGNIFICANT improvement shown in the readings taken after a few hours' use. Case in point: I installed an 8096D on a 680. The W/F readings I took immediately after installation wobbled between .09% and .1%...certainly nothing to write home about. However, after playing a few cassettes (approximately 2.5 hours of use), I took another reading and found W/F to be noticeably lower...less than .06%. Why has such a basic factor been overlooked? Can one honestly expect ANY brand new, elastic belt to give its absolute top-notch performance right off the bat? Common sense should dictate otherwise. 2) MOTOR STABILITY IS A FACTOR. This factor may not be considered to be as influential as the belt break-in period, but it is something to take into consideration nonetheless. We should all realize that the motors in these decks are NOT precision devices. In my experience, I have found that there is a definite "warm up" period that must take place before the motors in a deck are fully stabilized. Nakamichi realized this and even made allowances for it in their service literature; specifically, in the instructions for reel motor playback speed calibration. Allow me to quote directly from the CR-7A service manual. Notice Step 1 in the reel motor speed adjustment procedure: "3.9 Reel Motor Speed Adjustment in Play Mode (1) In order to warm-up the cassette deck, load a C-60 cassette tape and play it back for more than four minutes." In other words, even Nakamichi realized that in order to PROPERLY and ACCURATELY calibrate a deck's reel motor torque--a critical adjustment for playback speed stability--it is necessary for the motor to first be exercised. Once again, shouldn't common sense dictate that any deck being used to measure Fred's belt must be properly "warmed up"? Can we honestly expect totally accurate measurements if the test deck has only been switched on for a few moments before testing is begun? In closing, I wish to state that I am not endorsing OR condemning Fred's belt. I am merely pointing out two very important testing factors that by now should have been taken into account--and were conspicuous by their absence in these so-called "definitive" discussions of belt performance. *andy* From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jul 10 21:13:50 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:13:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NEW Nak Series Discovered! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17d5ee910807101213y4b979fc0p84edbc0107c5b4e1@mail.gmail.com> Nope, it's a Nak CD player normally http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Brochures/OMS-4A_Pg01.html 2008/7/10 : > Is that the remote control number or something? Its a BX-300.. > > Mark > > > ________________________________ > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your > area - Check out TourTracker.com! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jul 10 22:10:53 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:10:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 Message-ID: <20080710201055.MJAM2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> I see the 600 pops up rather frequently and I was just curious if anyone here owns one and do they have an opinion? I know it's a two head deck but I just find the look rather interesting in that it has the studio console look. I also see the 1000 and 1000 II show up frequently. Is the 1000 a costly machine to own? Meaning, is it a troublesome or finicky machine to own as far as staying in spec? I'm really just looking for opinions of those who own the 600 or the 1000. Roland From EL34GUY at aol.com Thu Jul 10 22:15:33 2008 From: EL34GUY at aol.com (EL34GUY at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:15:33 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NEW Nak Series Discovered! Message-ID: Wow,, He did a heck of a conversion,,,lol Mark **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 10 22:34:46 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:34:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... Message-ID: <14141989.1215722086419.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> andy, I was attempting to organize a "scientific" approach to testing the 8096D using multiple NakTalkers and listing all variables. I think it became too much of a struggle, so we've put it to rest for now. Fred's announcement Tuesday of a D2 belt probably makes further tests moot. As to point #1, possible, but a brand new 8096C meets spec from the instant it is installed. If the belt were to improve as it runs I don't think Nakamichi would be happy with it. Point #2 warm up is essential for speed setting, but not needed for w/f testing. It may be moot since most technicians will run a deck a while before adjusting or measuring anything, but yes, it could be a variable. i can guess you are asking yourself why your results are different than my results. I share your pain. I haven't come up with any better answers than what you have, so maybe you figured it out. Let's be patient for fred's belt factory to deliver the D2. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Jul 10, 2008 1:57 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > > >Wouter may kill me for starting this topic, but I feel that it has at least some merit. > >I have been watching from the sidelines the raging debate about Fred's "8096D" belt....whether it is as "good" or as "accurate" as the original 8096C, whether it is overpriced or not, and even whether it is the correct size or not. > >There were a couple of posts made about the testing results of Fred's 8096D. Some comments were made that implied that Fred's belt was not a suitable replacement for the standard transport capstan belt....an elusive beast, to be sure. > >Many of the comments that have been made about the test results of Fred's belt were made with the assumption that the testing was conclusive; in other words, the measured test results could be taken at "face value" and therefore were not to be questioned or argued with. > >Well....now to the main purpose of this post. > >As I said, I have been watching the debate as it raged back and forth, and a thought occurred to me: > >If Fred's product--indeed, if ANY product at all--is to be HONESTLY and ACCURATELY analyzed, shouldn't that analysis follow the Scientific Method as closely as possible, whenever possible? The Scientific Method dictates that ALL influential factors must be taken into account. ALL variables must be accounted for. ALL testing parameters must be defined. > >While contemplating this, I noticed that in all of the comments made about the performance of Fred's belt, two EXTREMELY important factors have NEVER been mentioned or taken into account during testing, as far as I can tell. > >1) THERE IS A BREAK-IN PERIOD. Look at the facts: Fred's 8096D belt, like ALL belts, is made of an elastic compound. This compound, by definition, is NOT a static, unchanging entity; instead, it can (and should) be considered to be quite the opposite--a pliable substance that is always in a state of FLUX (flex?) and highly influenced by various physical and environmental changes. In other words, until the belt is actually installed, it is safe to say that the belt has NEVER before been under tension. This means that when the belt is first used, it experiences a physical "adjustment period" and needs to settle in before ANY definitive measurements should be made. I have installed Fred's belt and taken readings immediately after the fact, followed by readings that were >taken after a few hours' use. In EVERY case, the readings I have taken immediately after installation have been fair to mediocre, with SIGNIFICANT improvement shown in the readings taken after a few hours' use. >Case in point: I installed an 8096D on a 680. The W/F readings I took immediately after installation wobbled between .09% and .1%...certainly nothing to write home about. However, after playing a few cassettes (approximately 2.5 hours of use), I took another reading and found W/F to be noticeably lower...less than .06%. Why has such a basic factor been overlooked? Can one honestly expect ANY brand new, elastic belt to give its absolute top-notch performance right off the bat? Common sense should dictate otherwise. > >2) MOTOR STABILITY IS A FACTOR. This factor may not be considered to be as influential as the belt break-in period, but it is something to take into consideration nonetheless. We should all realize that the motors in these decks are NOT precision devices. In my experience, I have found that there is a definite "warm up" period that must take place before the motors in a deck are fully stabilized. Nakamichi realized this and even made allowances for it in their service literature; specifically, in the instructions for reel motor playback speed calibration. Allow me to quote directly from the CR-7A service manual. Notice Step 1 in the reel motor speed adjustment procedure: > >"3.9 Reel Motor Speed Adjustment in Play Mode >(1) In order to warm-up the cassette deck, load a C-60 cassette tape and play it back for more than four minutes." > >In other words, even Nakamichi realized that in order to PROPERLY and ACCURATELY calibrate a deck's reel motor torque--a critical adjustment for playback speed stability--it is necessary for the motor to first be exercised. > >Once again, shouldn't common sense dictate that any deck being used to measure Fred's belt must be properly "warmed up"? Can we honestly expect totally accurate measurements if the test deck has only been switched on for a few moments before testing is begun? > >In closing, I wish to state that I am not endorsing OR condemning Fred's belt. I am merely pointing out two very important testing factors that by now should have been taken into account--and were conspicuous by their absence in these so-called "definitive" discussions of belt performance. > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 22:51:37 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... In-Reply-To: <071020081857.4272.48765BAF0003C797000010B022155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <466273.31887.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have done the test on  8096D belt after a week of installing running an RX 505 continuously for 10 hours before testing. The results were same on a Mint Rx 505  The Wow and flutter  is over 0.1% to .11% after running the Rx 505 for 10 hours. The result was same immediately after installation! I have also tested the original 8096C belt immediately after installation - before this 8096D belt. I have found original belt showing about 0.063% wow and flutter -all JIS unweighted The reason for the topic was size of the belt - not how to test or who should test. Infact large number of people know that Testing should be done in a test house under correct laboratory conditions like calibration of equipment etc.    Somebody can ask "Have you calibrated your wow and flutter meter or whether the machine is serviced etc". Unfortunately I am not here to challenge Fred's words that the belts are actually original belt! I strongly feel that whatever Fred or you claim - the size is an important factor - I had corresponded with Fred personally on this issue. He has now come out with the correct size - measured by three independant naktalk members of their Nak original stock. Since I did not want to bring up the test results to avoid unncessary naktalk mails i did not post this information earlier, but I feel strongly that I should post this here now kannan     --- On Thu, 7/10/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, July 10, 2008, 2:57 PM Wouter may kill me for starting this topic, but I feel that it has at least some merit. I have been watching from the sidelines the raging debate about Fred's "8096D" belt....whether it is as "good" or as "accurate" as the original 8096C, whether it is overpriced or not, and even whether it is the correct size or not. There were a couple of posts made about the testing results of Fred's 8096D. Some comments were made that implied that Fred's belt was not a suitable replacement for the standard transport capstan belt....an elusive beast, to be sure. Many of the comments that have been made about the test results of Fred's belt were made with the assumption that the testing was conclusive; in other words, the measured test results could be taken at "face value" and therefore were not to be questioned or argued with. Well....now to the main purpose of this post. As I said, I have been watching the debate as it raged back and forth, and a thought occurred to me: If Fred's product--indeed, if ANY product at all--is to be HONESTLY and ACCURATELY analyzed, shouldn't that analysis follow the Scientific Method as closely as possible, whenever possible? The Scientific Method dictates that ALL influential factors must be taken into account. ALL variables must be accounted for. ALL testing parameters must be defined. While contemplating this, I noticed that in all of the comments made about the performance of Fred's belt, two EXTREMELY important factors have NEVER been mentioned or taken into account during testing, as far as I can tell. 1) THERE IS A BREAK-IN PERIOD. Look at the facts: Fred's 8096D belt, like ALL belts, is made of an elastic compound. This compound, by definition, is NOT a static, unchanging entity; instead, it can (and should) be considered to be quite the opposite--a pliable substance that is always in a state of FLUX (flex?) and highly influenced by various physical and environmental changes. In other words, until the belt is actually installed, it is safe to say that the belt has NEVER before been under tension. This means that when the belt is first used, it experiences a physical "adjustment period" and needs to settle in before ANY definitive measurements should be made. I have installed Fred's belt and taken readings immediately after the fact, followed by readings that were taken after a few hours' use. In EVERY case, the readings I have taken immediately after installation have been fair to mediocre, with SIGNIFICANT improvement shown in the readings taken after a few hours' use. Case in point: I installed an 8096D on a 680. The W/F readings I took immediately after installation wobbled between .09% and .1%...certainly nothing to write home about. However, after playing a few cassettes (approximately 2.5 hours of use), I took another reading and found W/F to be noticeably lower...less than .06%. Why has such a basic factor been overlooked? Can one honestly expect ANY brand new, elastic belt to give its absolute top-notch performance right off the bat? Common sense should dictate otherwise. 2) MOTOR STABILITY IS A FACTOR. This factor may not be considered to be as influential as the belt break-in period, but it is something to take into consideration nonetheless. We should all realize that the motors in these decks are NOT precision devices. In my experience, I have found that there is a definite "warm up" period that must take place before the motors in a deck are fully stabilized. Nakamichi realized this and even made allowances for it in their service literature; specifically, in the instructions for reel motor playback speed calibration. Allow me to quote directly from the CR-7A service manual. Notice Step 1 in the reel motor speed adjustment procedure: "3.9 Reel Motor Speed Adjustment in Play Mode (1) In order to warm-up the cassette deck, load a C-60 cassette tape and play it back for more than four minutes." In other words, even Nakamichi realized that in order to PROPERLY and ACCURATELY calibrate a deck's reel motor torque--a critical adjustment for playback speed stability--it is necessary for the motor to first be exercised. Once again, shouldn't common sense dictate that any deck being used to measure Fred's belt must be properly "warmed up"? Can we honestly expect totally accurate measurements if the test deck has only been switched on for a few moments before testing is begun? In closing, I wish to state that I am not endorsing OR condemning Fred's belt. I am merely pointing out two very important testing factors that by now should have been taken into account--and were conspicuous by their absence in these so-called "definitive" discussions of belt performance. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Thu Jul 10 22:58:54 2008 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High Com II Hoise Reduction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <719723.77574.qm@web83721.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Kermit, Thanks for your balanced response. I figured the answer lay somewhere in the middle--it usually does. I will likely then not mess around with them, as I was leaning that way anyways. It makes perfect sense that the only time noise really becomes much of an issue is during the quieter moments of a song. What is SR short for? Is that a company or a type of NR? Are those types (SR and type A) of units difficult to locate? Thanks yet again, Jesse --- Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Jesse, > > There are two schools of thought on this. Some > recordists feel that > at 15 ips or faster no noise reduction is needed and > using a noise > reduction degrades the sound. Others feel that a > properly set-up NR > improves dynamic range and lowers distortion. In my > experience, both > positions are correct, depending on the situation. > If I'm recording a > subject that has wide dynamic range and where I want > to capture every > nuance of the delicate transients, I use the NR; if > it is something > that is not wide dynamic range, I'll leave the NR > off. Over the years, > I've had Tascam 80-8 and 38 8-channel decks, and > have used the 48. > With care in calibration and setting levels, they > are very nice > sounding decks. I dislike hard and fast rules about > when to use noise > reduction, or dogmatic positions about whether to > use or whether to > avoid noise reductions. Each situation requires its > own approach. > > One caveat: personally, I think the Teac/Tascam DBX > BR units are awful > sounding. I prefer the Dolby A and SR units, or DBX > 150 and 155 NRs > for these decks. You'll lose some of the convenience > of the Teac/ > Tascam branded NRs, but the sound quality > improvement is worth the > slight hassle! > > > > On Jul 9, 2008, at 9:19 PM, jesse ruff wrote: > > > Hello all , > > I hope this question isn't too off topic, but > since > > you guys are bringing up NR, I have to ask. I > have a > > tascam 48 1/2" 8 track recorder (runs up to 15ips) > and > > with it two type one dbx units that mount to the > > bottom of the rolling cart (model #s dx-4d). I'm > > planning to start using the 48 in the near future > and > > have been debating and wondering about whether or > not > > to even try to use those dbx units. I thought it > was > > as simple as running the signals through the > > machines, but I've gotten the impression that > there > > would need to be some tweeking done in order to > get > > the best possible sound out of the dbx units. > Thus, > > I hesitate, as the 48 will be running awfully fast > and > > it seems unlikely much significant noise would be > > heard anyway. Any thoughts would be greatfully > > appreciated. Thank you everyone for all your > freely > > shared wisdom--I am in Chicago and I sometimes > wonder > > where all the nice techs are around here! > > -Jesse > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From benstratford at aol.co.uk Fri Jul 11 04:27:57 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:27:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eslabs turnaround In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAB114DD4B6167-954-39E1@webmail-nb06.sysops.aol.com> Full ZXL overhaul completed in 4 months, even though 5 months was advised. cheers, Ben (BTW, workmanship, packaging and communication were flawless) -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ess To: naktalk at naks.com CC: geneess at nyc.rr.com Sent: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 1:17 Subject: [naktalk] eslabs turnaround Anyone have a Nak overhauled by them?? How long did it take?? Jeff mentions 4 to 6 weeks.? Is that realistic? ? Thanks ? Gene ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Jul 11 14:00:31 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:00:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700 II - No Sound Output Message-ID: <071120081200.21881.48774B5F00063DE70000557922165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Mark wrote: "The unit plays, but no sound output thru the headphone jack or the RCA outputs. Both left and right meters stay at their lowest position during play." Mark, I just acquired a 700 II with exactly the same problem. It may take some time for me to get to it, but I will keep you advised on what I find. ANDY From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Jul 11 14:12:05 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:12:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 Message-ID: <071120081212.13395.48774E15000749E20000345322165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Roland: I am equally curious about the Nakamichi 600, which seems to enjoy a fairly good reputation despite its humble 2-head status. (Well, after all, it IS a Nakamichi! LOL) Read what an English hi-fi magazine had to say about the 600 in their "retro" column: http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/nakamichi600.html *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Jul 11 14:32:45 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:32:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... Message-ID: <071120081232.26239.487752ED000781DE0000667F22165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Tom: I am aware of Fred's "D2" belt becoming available, and I am very eager to get my hands on them. I am also aware of the slight size discrepancy of Fred's original 8096D belt, according to some Naktalkers. As it stands now, I believe that Fred's original 8096D is a very good replacement capstan belt for those Nak fans who own a Nak with a standard transport or a CR-3 and who are looking for a cost-cutting replacement that will work well enough. They may not get exactly the performance specs that the original 8096C can give, but nearly so, and that may be enough for many folks, especially considering the price of a genuine 8096C. Kannan: I don't know what to say about your test results. I certainly don't doubt your findings. All I can say is that I have been able to repeat my experience on a few decks now....the belt is mediocre at first, then it seems to stabilize and settle down and gives me better numbers. This has happened on at least 3 different occasions with 3 different decks. None of the decks. Your point about my meter calibration is a very good one, and I must admit that I intend to get a dedicated wow/flutter meter very soon (using just my T-100 right now). However, I can't help but think that even if my T-100 were wildly mis-calibrated, why does it keep behaving the same way, giving me the approximately same range of numbers when I measure Fred's belt? I'm pretty sure that my T-100 is not the most accurate wow/flutter meter, but it still does the same thing with Fred's belt--high readings at first, then lower readings once the belt breaks in. I also agree that size is a very important factor. That's why I am eagerly awaiting Fred's "D2" belt. If this belt performs better than his original 8096D belt--and I am betting that it will--Fred could really score a big advantage over ESL, who currently offer only new-old-stock 8096C belts that by now have some age on them, regardless of their "new" status. Eagerly awaiting the D2......three cheers for Fred! *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Jul 11 14:40:24 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:40:24 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote Control on eBay Message-ID: <071120081240.12656.487754B8000276120000317022165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> For those of you who want a remote control for your CR-7, there is one on American eBay right now. I have seen these auctioned in the past. If past prices are any indication, expect to pay at least a couple hundred dollars for this! http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-RM-7C-remote-for-CR-7-CR-7A-CR-7E-tape-deck_W0QQitemZ290245143548QQihZ019QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jul 11 15:36:34 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:36:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... In-Reply-To: <14141989.1215722086419.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14141989.1215722086419.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <17d5ee910807110636r11694448r808a43228733516c@mail.gmail.com> Do you know if Nakamichi was burning-in the belts before selling them? Maybe it's just that. 2008/7/10 Tom Brucker : > andy, > I was attempting to organize a "scientific" approach to testing the 8096D using multiple NakTalkers and listing all variables. I think it became too much of a struggle, so we've put it to rest for now. Fred's announcement Tuesday of a D2 belt probably makes further tests moot. > As to point #1, possible, but a brand new 8096C meets spec from the instant it is installed. If the belt were to improve as it runs I don't think Nakamichi would be happy with it. > Point #2 warm up is essential for speed setting, but not needed for w/f testing. It may be moot since most technicians will run a deck a while before adjusting or measuring anything, but yes, it could be a variable. > i can guess you are asking yourself why your results are different than my results. I share your pain. I haven't come up with any better answers than what you have, so maybe you figured it out. Let's be patient for fred's belt factory to deliver the D2. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >>From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >>Sent: Jul 10, 2008 1:57 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... >> >> >>Wouter may kill me for starting this topic, but I feel that it has at least some merit. >> >>I have been watching from the sidelines the raging debate about Fred's "8096D" belt....whether it is as "good" or as "accurate" as the original 8096C, whether it is overpriced or not, and even whether it is the correct size or not. >> >>There were a couple of posts made about the testing results of Fred's 8096D. Some comments were made that implied that Fred's belt was not a suitable replacement for the standard transport capstan belt....an elusive beast, to be sure. >> >>Many of the comments that have been made about the test results of Fred's belt were made with the assumption that the testing was conclusive; in other words, the measured test results could be taken at "face value" and therefore were not to be questioned or argued with. >> >>Well....now to the main purpose of this post. >> >>As I said, I have been watching the debate as it raged back and forth, and a thought occurred to me: >> >>If Fred's product--indeed, if ANY product at all--is to be HONESTLY and ACCURATELY analyzed, shouldn't that analysis follow the Scientific Method as closely as possible, whenever possible? The Scientific Method dictates that ALL influential factors must be taken into account. ALL variables must be accounted for. ALL testing parameters must be defined. >> >>While contemplating this, I noticed that in all of the comments made about the performance of Fred's belt, two EXTREMELY important factors have NEVER been mentioned or taken into account during testing, as far as I can tell. >> >>1) THERE IS A BREAK-IN PERIOD. Look at the facts: Fred's 8096D belt, like ALL belts, is made of an elastic compound. This compound, by definition, is NOT a static, unchanging entity; instead, it can (and should) be considered to be quite the opposite--a pliable substance that is always in a state of FLUX (flex?) and highly influenced by various physical and environmental changes. In other words, until the belt is actually installed, it is safe to say that the belt has NEVER before been under tension. This means that when the belt is first used, it experiences a physical "adjustment period" and needs to settle in before ANY definitive measurements should be made. I have installed Fred's belt and taken readings immediately after the fact, followed by readings that were >>taken after a few hours' use. In EVERY case, the readings I have taken immediately after installation have been fair to mediocre, with SIGNIFICANT improvement shown in the readings taken after a few hours' use. >>Case in point: I installed an 8096D on a 680. The W/F readings I took immediately after installation wobbled between .09% and .1%...certainly nothing to write home about. However, after playing a few cassettes (approximately 2.5 hours of use), I took another reading and found W/F to be noticeably lower...less than .06%. Why has such a basic factor been overlooked? Can one honestly expect ANY brand new, elastic belt to give its absolute top-notch performance right off the bat? Common sense should dictate otherwise. >> >>2) MOTOR STABILITY IS A FACTOR. This factor may not be considered to be as influential as the belt break-in period, but it is something to take into consideration nonetheless. We should all realize that the motors in these decks are NOT precision devices. In my experience, I have found that there is a definite "warm up" period that must take place before the motors in a deck are fully stabilized. Nakamichi realized this and even made allowances for it in their service literature; specifically, in the instructions for reel motor playback speed calibration. Allow me to quote directly from the CR-7A service manual. Notice Step 1 in the reel motor speed adjustment procedure: >> >>"3.9 Reel Motor Speed Adjustment in Play Mode >>(1) In order to warm-up the cassette deck, load a C-60 cassette tape and play it back for more than four minutes." >> >>In other words, even Nakamichi realized that in order to PROPERLY and ACCURATELY calibrate a deck's reel motor torque--a critical adjustment for playback speed stability--it is necessary for the motor to first be exercised. >> >>Once again, shouldn't common sense dictate that any deck being used to measure Fred's belt must be properly "warmed up"? Can we honestly expect totally accurate measurements if the test deck has only been switched on for a few moments before testing is begun? >> >>In closing, I wish to state that I am not endorsing OR condemning Fred's belt. I am merely pointing out two very important testing factors that by now should have been taken into account--and were conspicuous by their absence in these so-called "definitive" discussions of belt performance. >> >> >>*andy* >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 11:10:26 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:10:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi High Com II Hoise Reduction In-Reply-To: <719723.77574.qm@web83721.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <719723.77574.qm@web83721.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10807110210j7c8c068bg42cc3c12eea2a3b9@mail.gmail.com> Dolby SR (Spectral recording) Dolby type A (Professional version), B and C - consumer versions Dolby S - consumer version of Dolby SR For more details - Google and Wiki are your friends On 7/10/08, jesse ruff wrote: > Kermit, > Thanks for your balanced response. I figured the > answer lay somewhere in the middle--it usually does. > I will likely then not mess around with them, as I was > leaning that way anyways. It makes perfect sense that > the only time noise really becomes much of an issue is > during the quieter moments of a song. What is SR > short for? Is that a company or a type of NR? Are > those types (SR and type A) of units difficult to > locate? > Thanks yet again, > Jesse > --- Kermit Gray wrote: > > > Hi Jesse, > > > > There are two schools of thought on this. Some > > recordists feel that > > at 15 ips or faster no noise reduction is needed and > > using a noise > > reduction degrades the sound. Others feel that a > > properly set-up NR > > improves dynamic range and lowers distortion. In my > > experience, both > > positions are correct, depending on the situation. > > If I'm recording a > > subject that has wide dynamic range and where I want > > to capture every > > nuance of the delicate transients, I use the NR; if > > it is something > > that is not wide dynamic range, I'll leave the NR > > off. Over the years, > > I've had Tascam 80-8 and 38 8-channel decks, and > > have used the 48. > > With care in calibration and setting levels, they > > are very nice > > sounding decks. I dislike hard and fast rules about > > when to use noise > > reduction, or dogmatic positions about whether to > > use or whether to > > avoid noise reductions. Each situation requires its > > own approach. > > > > One caveat: personally, I think the Teac/Tascam DBX > > BR units are awful > > sounding. I prefer the Dolby A and SR units, or DBX > > 150 and 155 NRs > > for these decks. You'll lose some of the convenience > > of the Teac/ > > Tascam branded NRs, but the sound quality > > improvement is worth the > > slight hassle! > > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 2008, at 9:19 PM, jesse ruff wrote: > > > > > Hello all , > > > I hope this question isn't too off topic, but > > since > > > you guys are bringing up NR, I have to ask. I > > have a > > > tascam 48 1/2" 8 track recorder (runs up to 15ips) > > and > > > with it two type one dbx units that mount to the > > > bottom of the rolling cart (model #s dx-4d). I'm > > > planning to start using the 48 in the near future > > and > > > have been debating and wondering about whether or > > not > > > to even try to use those dbx units. I thought it > > was > > > as simple as running the signals through the > > > machines, but I've gotten the impression that > > there > > > would need to be some tweeking done in order to > > get > > > the best possible sound out of the dbx units. > > Thus, > > > I hesitate, as the 48 will be running awfully fast > > and > > > it seems unlikely much significant noise would be > > > heard anyway. Any thoughts would be greatfully > > > appreciated. Thank you everyone for all your > > freely > > > shared wisdom--I am in Chicago and I sometimes > > wonder > > > where all the nice techs are around here! > > > -Jesse > > > > -- Kermit Gray > > notarbene at kvglabs.com > > KVG Laboratories > > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Jul 11 16:29:20 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:29:20 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... Message-ID: <26650214.1215786560327.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I've never been that close to Nakamichi. They flew me to Santa Monica in 1977 for 3 days of one on one training. If I had only known to ask that question! I will share this; Nakamichi was serious about their business. They could have hired regular technicians like me for their factory service department, but instead hired engineering students from Japan who had finished their academic work towards a PhD, and were serving their mandatory 2 year practicum in the electronics industry. When you employ that level of knowledge to repair, imagine the environment in the home office! Imagine the ideas the engineers put into practice that we aren't aware of. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Antoine Deschênes >Sent: Jul 11, 2008 8:36 AM >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > >Do you know if Nakamichi was burning-in the belts before selling them? >Maybe it's just that. > >2008/7/10 Tom Brucker : >> andy, >> I was attempting to organize a "scientific" approach to testing the 8096D using multiple NakTalkers and listing all variables. I think it became too much of a struggle, so we've put it to rest for now. Fred's announcement Tuesday of a D2 belt probably makes further tests moot. >> As to point #1, possible, but a brand new 8096C meets spec from the instant it is installed. If the belt were to improve as it runs I don't think Nakamichi would be happy with it. >> Point #2 warm up is essential for speed setting, but not needed for w/f testing. It may be moot since most technicians will run a deck a while before adjusting or measuring anything, but yes, it could be a variable. >> i can guess you are asking yourself why your results are different than my results. I share your pain. I haven't come up with any better answers than what you have, so maybe you figured it out. Let's be patient for fred's belt factory to deliver the D2. >> >> tom brucker >> >> -----Original Message----- >>>From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >>>Sent: Jul 10, 2008 1:57 PM >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... >>> >>> >>>Wouter may kill me for starting this topic, but I feel that it has at least some merit. >>> >>>I have been watching from the sidelines the raging debate about Fred's "8096D" belt....whether it is as "good" or as "accurate" as the original 8096C, whether it is overpriced or not, and even whether it is the correct size or not. >>> >>>There were a couple of posts made about the testing results of Fred's 8096D. Some comments were made that implied that Fred's belt was not a suitable replacement for the standard transport capstan belt....an elusive beast, to be sure. >>> >>>Many of the comments that have been made about the test results of Fred's belt were made with the assumption that the testing was conclusive; in other words, the measured test results could be taken at "face value" and therefore were not to be questioned or argued with. >>> >>>Well....now to the main purpose of this post. >>> >>>As I said, I have been watching the debate as it raged back and forth, and a thought occurred to me: >>> >>>If Fred's product--indeed, if ANY product at all--is to be HONESTLY and ACCURATELY analyzed, shouldn't that analysis follow the Scientific Method as closely as possible, whenever possible? The Scientific Method dictates that ALL influential factors must be taken into account. ALL variables must be accounted for. ALL testing parameters must be defined. >>> >>>While contemplating this, I noticed that in all of the comments made about the performance of Fred's belt, two EXTREMELY important factors have NEVER been mentioned or taken into account during testing, as far as I can tell. >>> >>>1) THERE IS A BREAK-IN PERIOD. Look at the facts: Fred's 8096D belt, like ALL belts, is made of an elastic compound. This compound, by definition, is NOT a static, unchanging entity; instead, it can (and should) be considered to be quite the opposite--a pliable substance that is always in a state of FLUX (flex?) and highly influenced by various physical and environmental changes. In other words, until the belt is actually installed, it is safe to say that the belt has NEVER before been under tension. This means that when the belt is first used, it experiences a physical "adjustment period" and needs to settle in before ANY definitive measurements should be made. I have installed Fred's belt and taken readings immediately after the fact, followed by readings that were >>>taken after a few hours' use. In EVERY case, the readings I have taken immediately after installation have been fair to mediocre, with SIGNIFICANT improvement shown in the readings taken after a few hours' use. >>>Case in point: I installed an 8096D on a 680. The W/F readings I took immediately after installation wobbled between .09% and .1%...certainly nothing to write home about. However, after playing a few cassettes (approximately 2.5 hours of use), I took another reading and found W/F to be noticeably lower...less than .06%. Why has such a basic factor been overlooked? Can one honestly expect ANY brand new, elastic belt to give its absolute top-notch performance right off the bat? Common sense should dictate otherwise. >>> >>>2) MOTOR STABILITY IS A FACTOR. This factor may not be considered to be as influential as the belt break-in period, but it is something to take into consideration nonetheless. We should all realize that the motors in these decks are NOT precision devices. In my experience, I have found that there is a definite "warm up" period that must take place before the motors in a deck are fully stabilized. Nakamichi realized this and even made allowances for it in their service literature; specifically, in the instructions for reel motor playback speed calibration. Allow me to quote directly from the CR-7A service manual. Notice Step 1 in the reel motor speed adjustment procedure: >>> >>>"3.9 Reel Motor Speed Adjustment in Play Mode >>>(1) In order to warm-up the cassette deck, load a C-60 cassette tape and play it back for more than four minutes." >>> >>>In other words, even Nakamichi realized that in order to PROPERLY and ACCURATELY calibrate a deck's reel motor torque--a critical adjustment for playback speed stability--it is necessary for the motor to first be exercised. >>> >>>Once again, shouldn't common sense dictate that any deck being used to measure Fred's belt must be properly "warmed up"? Can we honestly expect totally accurate measurements if the test deck has only been switched on for a few moments before testing is begun? >>> >>>In closing, I wish to state that I am not endorsing OR condemning Fred's belt. I am merely pointing out two very important testing factors that by now should have been taken into account--and were conspicuous by their absence in these so-called "definitive" discussions of belt performance. >>> >>> >>>*andy* >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > >-- >Antoine Deschênes Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From mark8559 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 11 16:16:03 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:16:03 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] 700 II - No Sound Output In-Reply-To: <19221897.1215715048376.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <19221897.1215715048376.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: As I started working on it, I noticed the cassette housing light was burnt out. Please advise on what voltage bulb to buy.Thanks.Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:37:28 -0500From: hitech77 at earthlink.netTo: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] 700 II - No Sound Output Mark, All the circuit boards are connected via edge connectors. When any problem occurs with the 700 I remove eack board, clean each connector, and use a small pointed tool to bend each tine slightly inwards to improve contact tension. These steps will probably correct your problem. Specifically, the head connector is between the transport and the electronics IIRC. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Mark Exstedt Sent: Jul 10, 2008 11:59 AM To: "naktalk at naks.com" Subject: [naktalk] 700 II - No Sound Output The unit plays, but no sound output thru the headphone jack or the RCA outputs.Both left and right meters stay at their lowest position during play.What could be the problem? What can I do?Any advice is appreciated.Thanks.Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Fri Jul 11 17:21:14 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:21:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 In-Reply-To: <200807111001.m6BA0enk024851@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <481B37650003BFA5@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Roland, The Nakamichi 600 (and vs. II) is still an admirable performer. This is a rugged and mechanically strong machine. The electronics is its strongest feat (and possibly the head) giving it a smooth and detailed sound. The W&F (possibly tape path travel) is it's weak point. Measurements are nice but not exceptional and do it's sound performance no justice. The 600 were bought by serious music lovers in the high days of the cassette medium, so these 600's were often used for many hours. Therefor you will find many 600 machines with much wear. These machines might still play but performance may have suffered. A mint specimun can be found from time to time and can show the full potential of this very fine cassette deck. The Nakamichi 1000 (and vs. II but not the ZXL) is still a top notch performer, rugged and strong. Electronics are very good sounding and it's three heads are magnificient for the job. Sound is smooth, detailed and spacey in a high end like way. Tape travel and W&F are superb, soundwise. Measurements again do not really show all of it's capacity soundwise. This was the flagship of the Nakamichi line and designed to explore the possibilities of the cassette medium. As a flagship it was bought by the luckier people who were not always heavy users of cassettes. As a result there are a reasonable number of the original 1000's in very healthy shape to be found. The 1000 ZXL is a completely different animal, super performer when in super good condition, but alas fault prone. Happy listening, Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >From: Roland >Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 >To: Nakamichi tapedecks >Message-ID: > <20080710201055.MJAM2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net at eastrmimpo02.cox.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >I see the 600 pops up rather frequently and I was just curious if >anyone here owns one and do they have an opinion? > >I know it's a two head deck but I just find the look rather >interesting in that it has the studio console look. I also see the >1000 and 1000 II show up frequently. > >Is the 1000 a costly machine to own? Meaning, is it a troublesome or >finicky machine to own as far as staying in spec? > >I'm really just looking for opinions of those who own the 600 or the 1000. > >Roland > From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Jul 11 22:20:39 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:20:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 In-Reply-To: <20080710201055.MJAM2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20080710201055.MJAM2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <6EAE7922-C6B1-4D4E-91D2-D5F99C181498@kvglabs.com> Hi Roland, Ask anyone -- they'll tell you that my favorite Nakamichi is the 600 and 600-II! Why? well, in all candor, I think they got the sound just right. The 600 and 600-II sound like a studio reel-to-reel and do not have that "cassette deck sound" if you follow what I'm alluding to. They're surprisingly reliable, and even well-worn machines can be cajoled into sounding like-new. They're natural and detailed sounding, with a good balance of subtle flattery and neutrality. They lack that hot-rodded bass and treble that characterizes many high-end cassettes, and of course aren't dull and closed in sounding like many other cassettes. The first time I heard one I had to have one because it sounded exactly the way I wanted a magnetic recorder to sound. Of course, they aren't perfect: bass below 25 cps lacks definition, and some listeners feel the top end isn't "airy" but I like the top end as it is -- natural without exaggerated airiness. The 1000 is even better, but not dramatically so. Its top end is airier, and bass below 25 cps is definitely better-defined. The 100 series machines can go so low they'll record record warp with perfect tightness and detail! In the 1970s, I could have bought a 1000 instead of a 600. I chose the 600 because I knew from experience servicing Nakamichis that keeping a 1000 running is troublesome -- they have many more PC Board edge card connectors and microswitches that can corrode or develop loose contacts. Yes, the 1000 sounds better, but the sound of the two were close enough for me. The greater reliability of the 600 was a compelling issue for me. It has only been the past two or three years that I've experienced trouble with my 600s despite almost daily use for about the first twenty years that I owned my 600 and 600-II machines. On Jul 10, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Roland wrote: > I see the 600 pops up rather frequently and I was just curious if > anyone here owns one and do they have an opinion? > > I know it's a two head deck but I just find the look rather > interesting in that it has the studio console look. I also see the > 1000 and 1000 II show up frequently. > > Is the 1000 a costly machine to own? Meaning, is it a troublesome > or finicky machine to own as far as staying in spec? > > I'm really just looking for opinions of those who own the 600 or the > 1000. > > Roland -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From badanth at aim.com Fri Jul 11 21:42:27 2008 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:42:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote Control on eBay In-Reply-To: <071120081240.12656.487754B8000276120000317022165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <071120081240.12656.487754B8000276120000317022165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CAB1A562046742-1914-E6F@MBLK-M29.sysops.aol.com> The last one I followed went for about $300!!! Good luck... Anthony -----Original Message----- From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 8:40 am Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote Control on eBay For those of you who want a remote control for your CR-7, there is one on American eBay right now. I have seen these auctioned in the past. If past prices are any indication, expect to pay at least a couple hundred dollars for this! http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-RM-7C-remote-for-CR-7-CR-7A-CR-7E-tape-deck_W0QQitemZ290245143548QQihZ019QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 21:46:57 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... In-Reply-To: <26650214.1215786560327.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <113033.61974.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> One would first want to know what a belt "burn in" would mean? If we mean a belt that under normal cassette deck heat/pressure/friction will change the property of the belt in a meaningful way, then we are probably talking about an inferior material for the purposes of a tape deck belt. I've never seen belt burn-in specified in any applications, nor an explanation of what that would mean. Can anyone provide an example? We could then see if that would apply to our circumstance. I've just never seen it mentioned with respect to tape belts by any manufacturer of tape decks. I've also never noticed it or seen it mentioned in any manual when changing belts on turntables (back in the day when I did that sort of thing). A belt was either suitable - met specs - or it wasn't. Thanks, David --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Tom Brucker wrote: > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > To: "Antoine Deschênes" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 7:29 AM > I've never been that close to Nakamichi. They flew me to > Santa Monica in 1977 for 3 days of one on one training. If I > had only known to ask that question! I will share this; > Nakamichi was serious about their business. They could have > hired regular technicians like me for their factory service > department, but instead hired engineering students from > Japan who had finished their academic work towards a PhD, > and were serving their mandatory 2 year practicum in the > electronics industry. > When you employ that level of knowledge to repair, imagine > the environment in the home office! Imagine the ideas the > engineers put into practice that we aren't aware of. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Antoine Deschênes > >Sent: Jul 11, 2008 8:36 AM > >To: Tom Brucker , Talk > about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > > > >Do you know if Nakamichi was burning-in the belts > before selling them? > >Maybe it's just that. > > > >2008/7/10 Tom Brucker : > >> andy, > >> I was attempting to organize a > "scientific" approach to testing the 8096D using > multiple NakTalkers and listing all variables. I think it > became too much of a struggle, so we've put it to rest > for now. Fred's announcement Tuesday of a D2 belt > probably makes further tests moot. > >> As to point #1, possible, but a brand new 8096C > meets spec from the instant it is installed. If the belt > were to improve as it runs I don't think Nakamichi > would be happy with it. > >> Point #2 warm up is essential for speed setting, > but not needed for w/f testing. It may be moot since most > technicians will run a deck a while before adjusting or > measuring anything, but yes, it could be a variable. > >> i can guess you are asking yourself why your > results are different than my results. I share your pain. I > haven't come up with any better answers than what you > have, so maybe you figured it out. Let's be patient for > fred's belt factory to deliver the D2. > >> > >> tom brucker > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >>>From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > >>>Sent: Jul 10, 2008 1:57 PM > >>>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>>Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, > Revisited..... > >>> > >>> > >>>Wouter may kill me for starting this topic, but > I feel that it has at least some merit. > >>> > >>>I have been watching from the sidelines the > raging debate about Fred's "8096D" > belt....whether it is as "good" or as > "accurate" as the original 8096C, whether it is > overpriced or not, and even whether it is the correct size > or not. > >>> > >>>There were a couple of posts made about the > testing results of Fred's 8096D. Some comments were > made that implied that Fred's belt was not a suitable > replacement for the standard transport capstan belt....an > elusive beast, to be sure. > >>> > >>>Many of the comments that have been made about > the test results of Fred's belt were made with the > assumption that the testing was conclusive; in other words, > the measured test results could be taken at "face > value" and therefore were not to be questioned or > argued with. > >>> > >>>Well....now to the main purpose of this post. > >>> > >>>As I said, I have been watching the debate as > it raged back and forth, and a thought occurred to me: > >>> > >>>If Fred's product--indeed, if ANY product > at all--is to be HONESTLY and ACCURATELY analyzed, > shouldn't that analysis follow the Scientific Method as > closely as possible, whenever possible? The Scientific > Method dictates that ALL influential factors must be taken > into account. ALL variables must be accounted for. ALL > testing parameters must be defined. > >>> > >>>While contemplating this, I noticed that in all > of the comments made about the performance of Fred's > belt, two EXTREMELY important factors have NEVER been > mentioned or taken into account during testing, as far as I > can tell. > >>> > >>>1) THERE IS A BREAK-IN PERIOD. Look at the > facts: Fred's 8096D belt, like ALL belts, is made of an > elastic compound. This compound, by definition, is NOT a > static, unchanging entity; instead, it can (and should) be > considered to be quite the opposite--a pliable substance > that is always in a state of FLUX (flex?) and highly > influenced by various physical and environmental changes. > In other words, until the belt is actually installed, it is > safe to say that the belt has NEVER before been under > tension. This means that when the belt is first used, it > experiences a physical "adjustment period" and > needs to settle in before ANY definitive measurements > should be made. I have installed Fred's belt and taken > readings immediately after the fact, followed by readings > that were > >>>taken after a few hours' use. In EVERY > case, the readings I have taken immediately after > installation have been fair to mediocre, with SIGNIFICANT > improvement shown in the readings taken after a few > hours' use. > >>>Case in point: I installed an 8096D on a 680. > The W/F readings I took immediately after installation > wobbled between .09% and .1%...certainly nothing to write > home about. However, after playing a few cassettes > (approximately 2.5 hours of use), I took another reading > and found W/F to be noticeably lower...less than .06%. Why > has such a basic factor been overlooked? Can one honestly > expect ANY brand new, elastic belt to give its absolute > top-notch performance right off the bat? Common sense > should dictate otherwise. > >>> > >>>2) MOTOR STABILITY IS A FACTOR. This factor > may not be considered to be as influential as the belt > break-in period, but it is something to take into > consideration nonetheless. We should all realize that the > motors in these decks are NOT precision devices. In my > experience, I have found that there is a definite > "warm up" period that must take place before the > motors in a deck are fully stabilized. Nakamichi realized > this and even made allowances for it in their service > literature; specifically, in the instructions for reel > motor playback speed calibration. Allow me to quote > directly from the CR-7A service manual. Notice Step 1 in > the reel motor speed adjustment procedure: > >>> > >>>"3.9 Reel Motor Speed Adjustment in Play > Mode > >>>(1) In order to warm-up the cassette deck, load > a C-60 cassette tape and play it back for more than four > minutes." > >>> > >>>In other words, even Nakamichi realized that in > order to PROPERLY and ACCURATELY calibrate a deck's reel > motor torque--a critical adjustment for playback speed > stability--it is necessary for the motor to first be > exercised. > >>> > >>>Once again, shouldn't common sense dictate > that any deck being used to measure Fred's belt must be > properly "warmed up"? Can we honestly expect > totally accurate measurements if the test deck has only > been switched on for a few moments before testing is begun? > >>> > >>>In closing, I wish to state that I am not > endorsing OR condemning Fred's belt. I am merely > pointing out two very important testing factors that by now > should have been taken into account--and were conspicuous by > their absence in these so-called "definitive" > discussions of belt performance. > >>> > >>> > >>>*andy* > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >>>Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > >> Hi Tech Service > >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. > >> Nashville, TN 37211 > >> hitech77 at earthlink.net > >> hitech at bellsouth.net > >> 615-331-9241 > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > > > > > > > >-- > >Antoine Deschênes > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Jul 11 22:38:17 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:38:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 In-Reply-To: <481B37650003BFA5@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> References: <200807111001.m6BA0enk024851@zxe.naks.com> <481B37650003BFA5@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <20080711203817.ZDMU4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Henk, Thanks for the analysis on both machines. Both of these machines catch my eye each and every time that I see one. I like what you have to say about the solid build of both units. Considering the price of each unit, the 600 is probably the best bet for me. There's just something about the looks. t. At 11:21 AM 7/11/2008, you wrote: >Roland, > >The Nakamichi 600 (and vs. II) is still an admirable performer. This is a >rugged and mechanically strong machine. The electronics is its strongest >feat (and possibly the head) giving it a smooth and detailed sound. The W&F >(possibly tape path travel) is it's weak point. >Measurements are nice but not exceptional and do it's sound performance no >justice. >The 600 were bought by serious music lovers in the high days of the cassette >medium, so these 600's were often used for many hours. Therefor you will >find many 600 machines with much wear. These machines might still play but >performance may have suffered. A mint specimun can be found from time to >time and can show the full potential of this very fine cassette deck. Roland From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Jul 11 22:47:29 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:47:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 In-Reply-To: <6EAE7922-C6B1-4D4E-91D2-D5F99C181498@kvglabs.com> References: <20080710201055.MJAM2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> <6EAE7922-C6B1-4D4E-91D2-D5F99C181498@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <20080711204728.BGGY2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Kermit, These two paragraphs in your reply are exactly what I am looking to hear (no pun intended!). I have a Dragon that works perfectly and I'd like to get another deck for something to play with and both the 600 and 1000 fit the bill. Although, the 682zx has gotten me mesmerized! I think that I might try 600 based on your report and that of Henk. The price range is right and the upkeep seems to be low. At 04:20 PM 7/11/2008, you wrote: >Hi Roland, > >Ask anyone -- they'll tell you that my favorite Nakamichi is the 600 >and 600-II! Why? well, in all candor, I think they got the sound just >right. The 600 and 600-II sound like a studio reel-to-reel and do not >have that "cassette deck sound" if you follow what I'm alluding to. >They're surprisingly reliable, and even well-worn machines can be >cajoled into sounding like-new. They're natural and detailed sounding, >In the 1970s, I could have bought a 1000 instead of a 600. I chose the >600 because I knew from experience servicing Nakamichis that keeping a >1000 running is troublesome -- they have many more PC Board edge card >connectors and microswitches that can corrode or develop loose >contacts. Roland From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 11 23:17:46 2008 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote Control on eBay In-Reply-To: <071120081240.12656.487754B8000276120000317022165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <103194.59922.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A new version of my remote receiver will support the azimuth feature on the CR-7.  Azimuth will be controlled via the #7 and #9 on universal remote keypad (unless someone has a better idea that will work on all universal remotes)   SJ --- On Fri, 7/11/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote Control on eBay To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, July 11, 2008, 5:40 AM For those of you who want a remote control for your CR-7, there is one on American eBay right now. I have seen these auctioned in the past. If past prices are any indication, expect to pay at least a couple hundred dollars for this! http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-RM-7C-remote-for-CR-7-CR-7A-CR-7E-tape-deck_W0QQitemZ290245143548QQihZ019QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Sat Jul 12 12:37:52 2008 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:37:52 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 calibration Message-ID: Kannan Thanks for your advice a little while ago. I have checked the bias transistors with a VTVM and they seem to be OK. Beyond that I am taking your advice and I will deliver the machine into the expert hands of John Gipps when I go to Brisbane tomorrow. Thanks again. David >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 05:56:27 -0700 (PDT) >From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 calibration problem >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <121235.98959.qm at web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >You may have to check the bias oscillator for correct bias current flowing out of this part- you need wide bandwidth VTVM.( as orange caps alone may not cure the Bias Oscillator sometimes). then ofcourse - tilt check on play/record heads is a must before track alignment.  Assuming your head alignments are near Correct position; bias oscillator should be checked for bias current before suspecting other areas- normally I would suggest handing over this job to a tech with correct tools and experience to get to correct alignment including heads.   >Kannan --- On Fri, 7/4/08, David Thompson wrote: >From: David Thompson >Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 calibration problem >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 10:04 PM >I am trying to recalibrate my ZX-9. It improved when I replaced two orange caps (4700P) in the bias oscillator circuit. But still the right signal will not come up to 0db. >I first adjusted the slide lever of the Azimuth cable to the centre slit inside. Then I adjusted the Playback head and azimuth with Luis' tapes. >Then I adjusted the record head and azimuth using the built in tones and also computer generated tones and with viewing and adjusting using a PC Audio Level Meter. I tried both settings numerous times, recording on a metal tape. >When I got a reasonable result, the right signal would not come past 2 segments below 0db. I checked the same tape with the deck's Azimuth control and this showed the azimuth to be out (green light to the right) and it took about 1 1/4 turns to correct it. Then the bias settings are worse. >Does this anomaly mean that the heads need tilt and stroke adjustments or >roller guide adjustment? >Any suggestion appreciated. >David From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 12 13:37:32 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 06:37:32 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 Message-ID: <6285204.1215862652386.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> 600 and 600II are quite different. Anyone care to comment? Heads for all three decks are relappable if worn. They will show wear grooves. If you can catch your fingernail in a groove it is time for service. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: ScHenk >Sent: Jul 11, 2008 10:21 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 > >Roland, > >The Nakamichi 600 (and vs. II) is still an admirable performer. This is a >rugged and mechanically strong machine. The electronics is its strongest >feat (and possibly the head) giving it a smooth and detailed sound. The W&F >(possibly tape path travel) is it's weak point. >Measurements are nice but not exceptional and do it's sound performance no >justice. >The 600 were bought by serious music lovers in the high days of the cassette >medium, so these 600's were often used for many hours. Therefor you will >find many 600 machines with much wear. These machines might still play but >performance may have suffered. A mint specimun can be found from time to >time and can show the full potential of this very fine cassette deck. > >The Nakamichi 1000 (and vs. II but not the ZXL) is still a top notch performer, >rugged and strong. Electronics are very good sounding and it's three heads >are magnificient for the job. Sound is smooth, detailed and spacey in a high >end like way. Tape travel and W&F are superb, soundwise. Measurements again >do not really show all of it's capacity soundwise. > This was the flagship of the Nakamichi line and designed to explore the >possibilities of the cassette medium. As a flagship it was bought by the >luckier people who were not always heavy users of cassettes. As a result >there are a reasonable number of the original 1000's in very healthy shape >to be found. > >The 1000 ZXL is a completely different animal, super performer when in super >good condition, but alas fault prone. > >Happy listening, >Henk Schenk >Netherlands >www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > >>From: Roland >>Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 >>To: Nakamichi tapedecks >>Message-ID: >> <20080710201055.MJAM2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net at eastrmimpo02.cox.net> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >>I see the 600 pops up rather frequently and I was just curious if >>anyone here owns one and do they have an opinion? >> >>I know it's a two head deck but I just find the look rather >>interesting in that it has the studio console look. I also see the >>1000 and 1000 II show up frequently. >> >>Is the 1000 a costly machine to own? Meaning, is it a troublesome or >>finicky machine to own as far as staying in spec? >> >>I'm really just looking for opinions of those who own the 600 or the 1000. >> >>Roland >> > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Jul 12 14:43:01 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:43:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] The 600, The 1000, And..... Message-ID: <071220081243.13881.4878A6D50007D5700000363922165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> ....What about the 700 and 700 II? A while back, I scored a 700 Tri-Tracer on eBay for very low money (just over $50). The auction ended low because the seller had a very fuzzy photo and only a sentence or two for the description. It looked and felt like an auction for a dud, but I bid anyway, not expecting to win. To my surprise, when the deck arrived it was actually in very respectable cosmetic condition and was fully functional with the exception of an occasional drop-out in the right channel. A thorough cleaning of all the spade connectors soon fixed that. I have been enjoying Kermit's discussions of the merits of the 600 and 1000, but based on my experience with this "pleasant surprise" I got from eBay, I must put in a good word for the 700. I really love the sound of this 700. I don't use it that often, but whenever I do, I am continually reminded at how surprisingly good it sounds. Incredible warmth and a very balanced sound--the highs and lows are not "hot rodded" like more modern decks, just like Kermit described (I like that description!). It also has the best sounding Dolby B of all of my decks, thanks to a fully discrete design. I recently repaired a customer's very high-end deck that was not a Nakamichi. The deck sounded fine, but I did sense something lacking in the sound that I couldn't put my finger on. I decided to do a head-to-head comparison against one of my Nak decks, and for some reason I chose the 700. To put it bluntly, the 700 simply destroyed the other deck. There was NO comparison at all; the Nakamichi was clearly superior in every way. The detail that I thought I heard in the other deck sounded like mud compared to the detail coming out of the 700. Bass was far better defined and the treble sounded beautifully natural instead of artificial. Listening to the non-Nak deck was like seeing a picture on a really good standard TV set; listening to the 700 in comparison was like seeing that same picture on a 1080p high-definition flatscreen.... You think you are getting good results until you experience a unit that gives you truly excellent results. *andy* From jguedel at yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 17:03:37 2008 From: jguedel at yahoo.com (jguedel at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:03:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi cd500 repair Message-ID: <2029169852-1215874992-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1165046256-@bxe154.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Who can work on nakamichi car audio? I have a cd500 that is out on one channel and its the head unit Please reply Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Jul 12 20:55:27 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:55:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 In-Reply-To: <6285204.1215862652386.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <6285204.1215862652386.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <67827FF6-9D22-47C4-9CF2-914DF99131F5@kvglabs.com> The 600 had a IM distortion reduction circuit like those fitted to high-end studio reel-to-reels, such as the Scully 280. The 600-II eliminated this circuit, made some revisions to the record circuits, but added a headphone control. They're both very close in sound but the 600 has a slight edge in clarity. I bought my 600 and 600-II in 1970s and have the original heads, in very good condition. If you keep heads clean and never use cheap ferric tapes they can last a very long time before requiring relapping. . On Jul 12, 2008, at 6:37 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > 600 and 600II are quite different. Anyone care to comment? > Heads for all three decks are relappable if worn. They will show > wear grooves. If you can catch your fingernail in a groove it is > time for service. > tom brucker > > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Jul 12 21:18:24 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:18:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The 600, The 1000, And..... In-Reply-To: <071220081243.13881.4878A6D50007D5700000363922165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <071220081243.13881.4878A6D50007D5700000363922165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Andy, I didn't mean to slight the wonderful 700 and 700-II. They're wonderful recorders, to my ears so close to the 1000 as to be nearly identical, although the 1000 is better. I found it amusing to listen to audiophiles and engineers argue the merits of the 700 versus the 1000 because both are so excellent that you're arguing about the difference between fabulous and fabulous. The 700 can be laid down flat, stood upright, or rack mounted. I always enjoyed the quirky sideways-loading cassette door. Of the "Big Three" 1970s Nakamichis, the 600, 700 and 1000; I always found the 700 to be the most prone to problems caused by internal connectors. I must admit, to my ears, the cassette format reached its zenith with the 500, 600 series, 700 series and 1000 series. Nakamichi got the sound just right. Those decks were so natural sounding you forgot you were listening to a cassette, I've made master tapes that subsequently became good sounding LPs and bulk-duplicated cassettes with Nakamichi 550, 600, 600-II, 1000, 100-II and 1000ZXL recorders. Part of me would be a bit worried the client would discover that a cassette deck made their master tape! Fun! In the mid-to-late 1970s, your studio was judged by your Nakamichi. It was taken for granted if you were a pro, you had a Nakamichi. A 600 said to the client that you were properly equipped but lower budget. A 700 said you did work for FM radio, or were "up-and-coming." A 1000 said you'd "arrived." The presence of a cassette deck other than Nakamichi said to the client that they were in the wrong place! The 700 developed, accidentally, a nefarious reputation in radio broadcasting circles. They were popular in FM stations because it was found that the design of the loading door made it very easy to hide small bags of heroin or cocaine inside the deck. You could open the cassette door, and easily reach in and grab your prize. Thus, for a few years, the Nakamichi 700 became a popular "dead drop" for the delivery of illegal drugs to radio DJs. Remember the radio payola scandals of the 1970s? The Nakamichi 700 unwillingly played its part! I guess that's why I never considered buying a 700; I didn't want to be viewed with suspicion. Everyone knew I didn't do drugs. (Although many of my friends did. They also knew I was a stand-up guy who wouldn't narc on them). I wanted to keep it that way -- I figured my health was bad enough as it was, why pay to wreck it further? Besides, I wanted to spend money on music and audio equipment! Now, all these years later, I wish I'd have bought one! Just a weird piece of audio history. On Jul 12, 2008, at 7:43 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > ....What about the 700 and 700 II? > > A while back, I scored a 700 Tri-Tracer on eBay for very low money > (just over $50). The auction ended low because the seller had a > very fuzzy photo and only a sentence or two for the description. It > looked and felt like an auction for a dud, but I bid anyway, not > expecting to win. > > To my surprise, when the deck arrived it was actually in very > respectable cosmetic condition and was fully functional with the > exception of an occasional drop-out in the right channel. A > thorough cleaning of all the spade connectors soon fixed that. > > I have been enjoying Kermit's discussions of the merits of the 600 > and 1000, but based on my experience with this "pleasant surprise" I > got from eBay, I must put in a good word for the 700. > > I really love the sound of this 700. I don't use it that often, but > whenever I do, I am continually reminded at how surprisingly good it > sounds. Incredible warmth and a very balanced sound--the highs and > lows are not "hot rodded" like more modern decks, just like Kermit > described (I like that description!). > > It also has the best sounding Dolby B of all of my decks, thanks to > a fully discrete design. > > I recently repaired a customer's very high-end deck that was not a > Nakamichi. The deck sounded fine, but I did sense something lacking > in the sound that I couldn't put my finger on. I decided to do a > head-to-head comparison against one of my Nak decks, and for some > reason I chose the 700. To put it bluntly, the 700 simply destroyed > the other deck. There was NO comparison at all; the Nakamichi was > clearly superior in every way. The detail that I thought I heard in > the other deck sounded like mud compared to the detail coming out of > the 700. Bass was far better defined and the treble sounded > beautifully natural instead of artificial. Listening to the non-Nak > deck was like seeing a picture on a really good standard TV set; > listening to the 700 in comparison was like seeing that same picture > on a 1080p high-definition flatscreen.... You think you are > getting good results until you experience a unit that gives you > truly excellent results. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Jul 13 02:38:55 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:38:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... In-Reply-To: <008801c8e47d$7ab81b30$70285190$@freeserve.co.uk> References: <00cf01c8e447$9d397ae0$d7ac70a0$@freeserve.co.uk> <120960.56681.qm@web50509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <008801c8e47d$7ab81b30$70285190$@freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <00a001c8e480$d5c71500$81553f00$@com> Holster your pistols, David. I'm only asking a question. Please don't misunderstand me - I am NOT suggesting a belt needs burning in but I AM wondering if it might need warming up before it behaves at its best for our purpose. Nakamichi may not have suggested their decks need to be warm to work at their best. Nevertheless, some items of hi fi do seem to work better when they've been switched on and running for a while, and some makers say so while others do not. Indeed, I have heard folk on the NakList (and elsewhere) state that they like to warm up their decks before any serious listening. I seem to recall Tom did some w/f tests (on a 505?) and mentioned the deck had been running a while, which suggested to me that Tom may have thought having a thoroughly warmed up deck was best if w/f were to be measured. (Is this, or is it not, so Tom?) Is this superstitious nonsense or might there be reason for it? I think there MIGHT be a good reason for this. If a deck were warm, would not the belt be warm also? I seem to recall from my physics days that when rubber is warm it contracts as the molecules become shorter. In other words, a stretched belt will become tighter. Moreover, I recall that when rubber is warmed up it increases elasticity and becomes softer. (Incidentally, I was reminded by an article I came across by accident the other day, which mentions that when rubber is kept in cold conditions for long periods it loses elasticity permanently. So, may be keeping the belts in the freezer isn't such a good idea after all. Apparently, this phenomena is caused by crystallisation and it's causing a problem with condoms in Canada - cold stored ones are more likely to rip. Remember that, guys - Canadian condoms are not to be trusted!) So, if a belt is warmed up in a cassette machine is it not likely that a) it will grip better and b) any "bumps" on its surface become less pronounced because they will be softer and, thereby, the combination of this affect any w/f measurements comparative between when it is cold and when it is warm? Just wondering ... that's all! :o) Graham -----Original Message----- From: fripp_em [mailto:fripp_em at yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 8:04 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'; graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... Are you talking about a defective deck or a properly working deck? Would Nakamichi make a deck that studios would use that wouldn't meet spec until after some undetermined warm up and then just forget to mention it? We are speculating with "evidence" based on one persons claimed measurements with a replacement belt giving results that were never noticed in many years of Nakamichi tape deck use by either service technicians, studios, or apparently Nakamichi with the original replacement belt. Please lets not start another burn in myth:-) Can anyone show a Nakamichi manual, white paper, etc., that mentions belt burn in? Thanks, David --- On Sat, 7/12/08, Graham Nelson wrote: > From: Graham Nelson > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > To: fripp_em at yahoo.com, "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 10:49 AM > I'm probably pi##ing in the wind with this suggestion > but might the > differences measured be explained by how long a machine has > been running, > i.e. if it is "warmed up"? Just a thought. > I'll go back to bed now, nurse. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of fripp_em > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:47 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > > One would first want to know what a belt "burn > in" would mean? If we mean a > belt that under normal cassette deck heat/pressure/friction > will change the > property of the belt in a meaningful way, then we are > probably talking about > an inferior material for the purposes of a tape deck belt. > I've never seen > belt burn-in specified in any applications, nor an > explanation of what that > would mean. Can anyone provide an example? We could then > see if that would > apply to our circumstance. > > I've just never seen it mentioned with respect to tape > belts by any > manufacturer of tape decks. I've also never noticed it > or seen it mentioned > in any manual when changing belts on turntables (back in > the day when I did > that sort of thing). A belt was either suitable - met > specs - or it wasn't. > > Thanks, > David > > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Jul 13 04:01:48 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:01:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... In-Reply-To: <956255.3916.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <008801c8e47d$7ab81b30$70285190$@freeserve.co.uk> <956255.3916.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <011101c8e48c$6c0a7c40$441f74c0$@com> Hi David Well, it wouldn't be an inferior belt just because of this, since changes in the properties of rubber when it becomes warm or cold is in the nature of rubber, whether it's a Nak belt, rubber band or a condom. But of course, that doesn't necessarily mean the difference is measurable in our application. There again, I suppose that could depend on the environment. For example, if the belt were in a machine that is in a relatively cold room, it might at first behave differently to one that is already warm, or warmer than the other belt, because it's in a warm room. In short, when we compare the same belts using the same test equipment on identically spec'd and conditioned decks, may all that be knocked by differences in environment, esp. temperature? I don't know - I'm just asking. But I'm just wondering if this might explain the differences that Andy may have found when the measurement improved after playing the belt. Just a thought. Out of interest, I've popped off an email to a friend of mine who's a designer at Rega, to see if they've noticed anything like this with their belt driven TTs and, indeed, if they recommend warming up a TT before it's used for serious listening. (I'm sure they'd recommend warming up the cartridge anyway, so they might not bother recommending this for the TT as it would happen anyway.) I've also asked the same question of another friend, a "name" in the UK hi fi world, who's very technically knowledgeable about stuff as this, and also to Paul Wilkins, who I vaguely know, of B&W. They'll all probably shoot the idea out of the water, but it seems like an interesting line of enquiry for all that! At least, it is to this curious cat. Cheers, Graham -----Original Message----- From: fripp_em [mailto:fripp_em at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 1:36 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'; graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... No pistols involved at all:-) Wondering is fine. I just can't believe that the original belts were falling in and out of spec due to warm up and nobody noticed when these decks were in common use. That suggest an inferior belt that is not up to the job. I'm only asking for a tech note, white paper, or something before we start speculating based on one individual's test of one sellers belt. A new belt either meets specs or it doesn't. I've never seen any manual or any heard any tech suggests otherwise. I look forward to someone finding such a reference to belts needing to be warm related to Nakamichi decks (or any decks). Then we'll be wondering how we all missed it:-) Thanks, David --- On Sat, 7/12/08, Graham Nelson wrote: > Holster your pistols, David. I'm only asking a > question. Please don't > misunderstand me - I am NOT suggesting a belt needs burning > in but I AM > wondering if it might need warming up before it behaves at > its best for our > purpose. Nakamichi may not have suggested their decks need > to be warm to > work at their best. Nevertheless, some items of hi fi do > seem to work > better when they've been switched on and running for a > while, and some > makers say so while others do not. Indeed, I have heard > folk on the NakList > (and elsewhere) state that they like to warm up their decks > before any > serious listening. I seem to recall Tom did some w/f tests > (on a 505?) and > mentioned the deck had been running a while, which > suggested to me that Tom > may have thought having a thoroughly warmed up deck was > best if w/f were to > be measured. (Is this, or is it not, so Tom?) Is this > superstitious > nonsense or might there be reason for it? > > I think there MIGHT be a good reason for this. If a deck > were warm, would > not the belt be warm also? I seem to recall from my > physics days that when > rubber is warm it contracts as the molecules become > shorter. In other > words, a stretched belt will become tighter. Moreover, I > recall that when > rubber is warmed up it increases elasticity and becomes > softer. > (Incidentally, I was reminded by an article I came across > by accident the > other day, which mentions that when rubber is kept in cold > conditions for > long periods it loses elasticity permanently. So, may be > keeping the belts > in the freezer isn't such a good idea after all. > Apparently, this phenomena > is caused by crystallisation and it's causing a problem > with condoms in > Canada - cold stored ones are more likely to rip. Remember > that, guys - > Canadian condoms are not to be trusted!) > > So, if a belt is warmed up in a cassette machine is it not > likely that a) it > will grip better and b) any "bumps" on its > surface become less pronounced > because they will be softer and, thereby, the combination > of this affect any > w/f measurements comparative between when it is cold and > when it is warm? > > Just wondering ... that's all! :o) > > > Graham > From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sun Jul 13 04:09:54 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:09:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... In-Reply-To: <00a001c8e480$d5c71500$81553f00$@com> References: <00cf01c8e447$9d397ae0$d7ac70a0$@freeserve.co.uk> <120960.56681.qm@web50509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <008801c8e47d$7ab81b30$70285190$@freeserve.co.uk> <00a001c8e480$d5c71500$81553f00$@com> Message-ID: <2C023029-5F5C-422E-8C36-7387773AC51D@kvglabs.com> Hey Graham, Along the lines of your though -- drag racers spin their tires with the brakes applied to warm them up for better grip and traction. I suspect that belts don't need burning in, they need breaking in. I'm not playing semantics. I cannot imagine the break-in period would be for more than a couple of hours. Years ago, I had custom drive belts made from Pyrathane to fit the Ampex 600, 601 and 602. I sent bids to three manufacturers, each of whom had a different way to specify belt size -- and each of the three ways differed from how Ampex had specified belt size! So I converted as best as I could, got the belts made by Pyramid, then tried to sell them. The belts were a bit long, about 1/8-inch, but it was close enough that the performance of the 602 didn't suffer. My belts weren't popular because you had to do a slight modification to the 600/601/602 to take the belt -- remove the belt idler roller and its arm assembly. Otherwise, the belt tension roller stretched the belt out of spec in a few hours. Another reason my belts didn't sell was that the 600/601/602 needed to run for 1/2-hour before flutter-and-wow met spec, but with the factory fabric vbelt it was at spec immediately. Why? I never knew for certain. My point of all of this is that I know what Fred went through getting his belts made, and I'm convinced he did as good a job as can be done. I'm sympathetic to his situation to say the least. On Jul 12, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > > Holster your pistols, David. I'm only asking a question. Please don't > misunderstand me - I am NOT suggesting a belt needs burning in but I > AM > wondering if it might need warming up before it behaves at its best > for our > purpose. Nakamichi may not have suggested their decks need to be > warm to > work at their best. Nevertheless, some items of hi fi do seem to work > better when they've been switched on and running for a while, and some > makers say so while others do not. Indeed, I have heard folk on the > NakList > (and elsewhere) state that they like to warm up their decks before any > serious listening. I seem to recall Tom did some w/f tests (on a > 505?) and > mentioned the deck had been running a while, which suggested to me > that Tom > may have thought having a thoroughly warmed up deck was best if w/f > were to > be measured. (Is this, or is it not, so Tom?) Is this superstitious > nonsense or might there be reason for it? > > I think there MIGHT be a good reason for this. If a deck were warm, > would > not the belt be warm also? I seem to recall from my physics days > that when > rubber is warm it contracts as the molecules become shorter. In other > words, a stretched belt will become tighter. Moreover, I recall > that when > rubber is warmed up it increases elasticity and becomes softer. > (Incidentally, I was reminded by an article I came across by > accident the > other day, which mentions that when rubber is kept in cold > conditions for > long periods it loses elasticity permanently. So, may be keeping > the belts > in the freezer isn't such a good idea after all. Apparently, this > phenomena > is caused by crystallisation and it's causing a problem with condoms > in > Canada - cold stored ones are more likely to rip. Remember that, > guys - > Canadian condoms are not to be trusted!) > > So, if a belt is warmed up in a cassette machine is it not likely > that a) it > will grip better and b) any "bumps" on its surface become less > pronounced > because they will be softer and, thereby, the combination of this > affect any > w/f measurements comparative between when it is cold and when it is > warm? -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Jul 13 11:52:51 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:52:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... In-Reply-To: <2C023029-5F5C-422E-8C36-7387773AC51D@kvglabs.com> References: <00cf01c8e447$9d397ae0$d7ac70a0$@freeserve.co.uk> <120960.56681.qm@web50509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <008801c8e47d$7ab81b30$70285190$@freeserve.co.uk> <00a001c8e480$d5c71500$81553f00$@com> <2C023029-5F5C-422E-8C36-7387773AC51D@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <027001c8e4ce$38713bc0$a953b340$@com> Kermit, Dragster tyres - what an excellent analogy. Your own experience of belts is most interesting. (I wonder if the fabric in the vbelt held it together better than without fabric?) Gra' Graham Nelson -----Original Message----- From: Kermit Gray [mailto:notarbene at kvglabs.com] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:10 AM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... Hey Graham, Along the lines of your though -- drag racers spin their tires with the brakes applied to warm them up for better grip and traction. I suspect that belts don't need burning in, they need breaking in. I'm not playing semantics. I cannot imagine the break-in period would be for more than a couple of hours. Years ago, I had custom drive belts made from Pyrathane to fit the Ampex 600, 601 and 602. I sent bids to three manufacturers... ...Another reason my belts didn't sell was that the 600/601/602 needed to run for 1/2-hour before flutter-and-wow met spec, but with the factory fabric vbelt it was at spec immediately. Why? I never knew for certain. My point of all of this is that I know what Fred went through getting his belts made, and I'm convinced he did as good a job as can be done. I'm sympathetic to his situation to say the least. On Jul 12, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > > Holster your ... If a deck were warm, > would > not the belt be warm also? I seem to recall from my physics days > that when > rubber is warm it contracts as the molecules become shorter. In other > words, a stretched belt will become tighter. Moreover, I recall > that when > rubber is warmed up it increases elasticity and becomes softer. > ... > > So, if a belt is warmed up in a cassette machine is it not likely > that a) it > will grip better and b) any "bumps" on its surface become less > pronounced > because they will be softer and, thereby, the combination of this > affect any > w/f measurements comparative between when it is cold and when it is > warm? -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Jul 13 13:49:17 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:49:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... In-Reply-To: <029701c8e4d9$232f07a0$698d16e0$@freeserve.co.uk> References: <011101c8e48c$6c0a7c40$441f74c0$@com> <946764.13521.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <029701c8e4d9$232f07a0$698d16e0$@freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <007401c8e4de$7c317db0$74947910$@com> Hi David, But there has to be an explanation for why Andy's experience differs from the others, and it is interesting that they should be so similar to Kermit's, admittedly with a different tape belt. There are obviously some known variables that could affect measurements, but there might be one that is unknown, and Kermit's experience being similar to Andy's would suggest there might be one that we have not identified ... and probably never will without the help of Gil Grissom and the CSI team! Lol! Cheers Graham -----Original Message----- From: fripp_em [mailto:fripp_em at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:33 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'; grahamanelson at googlemail.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... Hi Graham, I don't disagree about rubber and temperature (there are all kinds of formulations of rubber I don't even know about that will change how affected by heat they are). I just think that in a cassette deck, there shouldn't be any measureable warm up differences in a quality belt. We're not talking about excessive heat are we? This has to be one of the conditions for a replacement belt for my classic decks, they need to be in spec and I don't want to have to worry about the room being too hot for the belt (but fine for me:-) I wish we knew the formulation for the classic belts since these decks seem to really want the correct belt. Guess we'll have to make do with what we can find. Thanks, David From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Jul 13 13:49:48 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:49:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Rubber/Latex In-Reply-To: <028701c8e4d5$e53ee350$afbca9f0$@freeserve.co.uk> References: <00cf01c8e447$9d397ae0$d7ac70a0$@freeserve.co.uk> <120960.56681.qm@web50509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <008801c8e47d$7ab81b30$70285190$@freeserve.co.uk> <00a001c8e480$d5c71500$81553f00$@com> <071320080212.16507.4879647D00056B200000407B22243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> <028701c8e4d5$e53ee350$afbca9f0$@freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <007a01c8e4de$8e52e8d0$aaf8ba70$@com> Rubber is processed latex, natural and synthetic. (Used to make loads of the stuff when I worked at Dow in the UK. Interesting place … amazing what vomit inducing smells you can get to used to and even like after a while …) Hence, the old slang in the UK for condoms is “rubbers”. Graham From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net [mailto:ddino77 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:12 AM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... Jees, all I need are my posts get censored, banned or moderated from now on BUT..... I thought condoms were made of latex or lambskin? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Jul 14 02:40:15 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:40:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts In-Reply-To: <02e201c8e548$97f745b0$c7e5d110$@freeserve.co.uk> References: <9529648.1215955985324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <02e201c8e548$97f745b0$c7e5d110$@freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <02fe01c8e54a$30095e00$901c1a00$@com> Tom, David, Andy, et al, Guess what? Terry Bateman at Rega tells me they have had problems in the past with O rings used as belts from some "less than exacting suppliers" causing both speed and ... inconsistent w/f. TB says TT belts warm up when the TT is in use and, when warm, those particular belts lost tension. Being aware of the heat issue with TT belts, Rega use bespoke made Dunlop belts that are "inherently temperature stable" (quoting TB) for their top TTs (P7 & P9). So, if it is the case that a belt on a TT can warm up and misbehave, it must surely be possible for a cassette deck belt to warm up even more given it's sat in a small oven of warm electrical components, and it too misbehave. Right? But ... ... You'd think that Nakamichi would have been no less demanding of their belts as Rega are for their Dunlop ones, especially for their better decks ... probably for the same reason as Rega. But we know that, in the latter dying days of cassette deck production, Nakamichi let standards slip in many areas for the sake of keeping manufacturing costs down. This being so, it would not be surprising if they also let slip the quality of material used for making their belts nor be so strict in demanding the highest quality control to meet their specifications. In this case, a manufacturer left on a slack leash might well have produced belts of variable quality, some good and some not so good, which Nakamichi may have been prepared to accept when the end of cassette deck manufacturing was in sight. Possible? Likely even? I mean, what would they have to lose given they didn't intend to produce any more cassette decks? It's not as if they'd have a reputation for making the highe! st quality cassette decks to hold up. And besides, how many owners of, say, a DR2 would even notice the w/f was less than perfect? It's only guys with w/f measuring kit who'll notice, and then mostly because they can measure the effect rather than hear it. Back to the issue of Andy's curious measurements: Now, given that Fred was supplied with a Nak specified belt that proved slightly too large, not to Nak spec even though he'd asked for it to be to their spec, and he's had to bring the maker back in line to produce the belt to the exact size, might this suggest his manufacturer could have been a "less than exacting supplier" for Nakamichi just as it seems to have been for Fred? It might explain the differences that Andy has measured compared with those of Tom and others. Just a thought ... or rather, a few! I'll let you know when I get back all the other comments, assuming I do get them. Graham -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brucker [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:33 PM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; fripp_em at yahoo.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... Good idea Graham, In my years of reading I've not heard anyone discuss warming belts. Turntables are the primary belt utilizers. Can't wait for the replies. BTW the SOTA Sapphire and Star turntables use a plastic belt. My first belt stretched and fell off in 6 months, but my replacement belt has remained the same for 20 years now. Sounds like a production change, and a vote for more stable materials. tom brucker From danbarham at aol.com Sat Jul 12 18:32:24 2008 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:32:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Opinions on the 600 Message-ID: <8CAB253FFA3D695-1780-2462@mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> Roland, all, ???? I'll mirror what Hank and Kermit have said about the 600. I have two 600's and a 600II. The sound from them is amazing. I was quite honestly very surprised. As Hank says, the electronics are superb but the transport is the weak link. ? It's a mechanical transport, single motor, single capstan, 2 head deck. The FF/REW times are painfully slow. There was a service bulletin that Nak put out about replacing the reel hub drives pinion/pulley (the exact name escapes me). The original part?had a?plastic holder for this pinion that would wear and get excessive play. The replacement was metal and had much better wear characteristics. ? There was another service bulletin about swapping the original spring loaded back tension supply hub for a felt pad back tension supply hub that lowered W+F and made it more consistent. One of my 600's had the felt pad modification and it was my best performing machine. ? If you can get the transport solid and reliable, these are great decks, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them. They are not metal capable for recording but you can play back a metal tape. Their oddball form factor is another notable point. One of my long term goals is to assemble an entire System 1, complete with its unique rack. These systems come up on eBay occasionally but usually go for close to $1000, far more than I am willing to pay. The individual components often come up on the Bay too but always go for more than I am willing to pay. Unfortunately, the 600 deck is the ONLY part of the System 1 that sells pretty cheaply. The rest of the components are way too much in my opinion. Can anybody recommend a good CD player that matches the looks of the System 1 and be able to be fitted into the System 1 rack? Hank has a very nice System 1 and?has a great web page documenting it. Hank? Dan Barham Chicagoland? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I still do not understand what makes the sound so smooth, detailed without causing any fatigue after many hours of use. The vertical foot print, rich materials construction or simple over engineered design has repeatedly caused me to wonder, if this unit captured the "emotion" of the designer. I mean, this is not the flashiest, most expensive, technology advanced or innovation imbued deck the company produced. Yet it seems as though the goal was to purly satisfy an emotional sense (without flash or braggadocio). BTY, what unit were you comparing 700 too? dino -------------- Original message from hwbosshoss at comcast.net: -------------- > > ....What about the 700 and 700 II? > A while back, I scored a 700 Tri-Tracer on eBay for very low money (just over $50). The auction ended low because the seller had a very fuzzy photo and only a sentence or two for the description. It looked and felt like an auction for a > dud, but I bid anyway, not expecting to win. > To my surprise, when the deck arrived it was actually in very respectable cosmetic condition and was fully functional with the exception of an occasional drop-out in the right channel. A thorough cleaning of all the spade connectors > soon fixed that. > I have been enjoying Kermit's discussions of the merits of the 600 and 1000, but based on my experience with this "pleasant surprise" I got from eBay, I must put > in a good word for the 700. > I really love the sound of this 700. I don't use it that often, but whenever I do, I am continually reminded at how surprisingly good it sounds. Incredible warmth and a very balanced sound--the highs and lows are not "hot rodded" like > more modern decks, just like Kermit described (I like that description!). > > It also has the best sounding Dolby B of all of my decks, thanks to a fully > discrete design. > > I recently repaired a customer's very high-end deck that was not a Nakamichi. > The deck sounded fine, but I did sense something lacking in the sound that I > couldn't put my finger on. I decided to do a head-to-head comparison against > one of my Nak decks, and for some reason I chose the 700. To put it bluntly, > the 700 simply destroyed the other deck. There was NO comparison at all; the > Nakamichi was clearly superior in every way. The detail that I thought I heard > in the other deck sounded like mud compared to the detail coming out of the 700. > Bass was far better defined and the treble sounded beautifully natural instead > of artificial. Listening to the non-Nak deck was like seeing a picture on a > really good standard TV set; listening to the 700 in comparison was like seeing > that same picture on a 1080p high-definition flatscreen.... You think you are > getting good results until you experience a unit that gives you truly excellent > results. > > > *andy* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sun Jul 13 04:12:14 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:12:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... In-Reply-To: <00a001c8e480$d5c71500$81553f00$@com> References: <00cf01c8e447$9d397ae0$d7ac70a0$@freeserve.co.uk> <120960.56681.qm@web50509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <008801c8e47d$7ab81b30$70285190$@freeserve.co.uk> <00a001c8e480$d5c71500$81553f00$@com> Message-ID: <071320080212.16507.4879647D00056B200000407B22243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Jees, all I need are my posts get censored, banned or moderated from now on BUT..... I thought condoms were made of latex or lambskin? -------------- Original message from "Graham A Nelson" : -------------- > > Holster your pistols, David. I'm only asking a question. Please don't > misunderstand me - I am NOT suggesting a belt needs burning in but I AM > wondering if it might need warming up before it behaves at its best for our > purpose. Nakamichi may not have suggested their decks need to be warm to > work at their best. Nevertheless, some items of hi fi do seem to work > better when they've been switched on and running for a while, and some > makers say so while others do not. Indeed, I have heard folk on the NakList > (and elsewhere) state that they like to warm up their decks before any > serious listening. I seem to recall Tom did some w/f tests (on a 505?) and > mentioned the deck had been running a while, which suggested to me that Tom > may have thought having a thoroughly warmed up deck was best if w/f were to > be measured. (Is this, or is it not, so Tom?) Is this superstitious > nonsense or might there be reason for it? > > I think there MIGHT be a good reason for this. If a deck were warm, would > not the belt be warm also? I seem to recall from my physics days that when > rubber is warm it contracts as the molecules become shorter. In other > words, a stretched belt will become tighter. Moreover, I recall that when > rubber is warmed up it increases elasticity and becomes softer. > (Incidentally, I was reminded by an article I came across by accident the > other day, which mentions that when rubber is kept in cold conditions for > long periods it loses elasticity permanently. So, may be keeping the belts > in the freezer isn't such a good idea after all. Apparently, this phenomena > is caused by crystallisation and it's causing a problem with condoms in > Canada - cold stored ones are more likely to rip. Remember that, guys - > Canadian condoms are not to be trusted!) > > So, if a belt is warmed up in a cassette machine is it not likely that a) it > will grip better and b) any "bumps" on its surface become less pronounced > because they will be softer and, thereby, the combination of this affect any > w/f measurements comparative between when it is cold and when it is warm? > > Just wondering ... that's all! :o) > > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fripp_em [mailto:fripp_em at yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 8:04 PM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'; graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > > Are you talking about a defective deck or a properly working deck? > > Would Nakamichi make a deck that studios would use that wouldn't meet spec > until after some undetermined warm up and then just forget to mention it? > > We are speculating with "evidence" based on one persons claimed measurements > with a replacement belt giving results that were never noticed in many years > of Nakamichi tape deck use by either service technicians, studios, or > apparently Nakamichi with the original replacement belt. > > Please lets not start another burn in myth:-) Can anyone show a Nakamichi > manual, white paper, etc., that mentions belt burn in? > > Thanks, > David > > --- On Sat, 7/12/08, Graham Nelson wrote: > > > From: Graham Nelson > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > > To: fripp_em at yahoo.com, "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > > Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 10:49 AM > > I'm probably pi##ing in the wind with this suggestion > > but might the > > differences measured be explained by how long a machine has > > been running, > > i.e. if it is "warmed up"? Just a thought. > > I'll go back to bed now, nurse. > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > > Of fripp_em > > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:47 PM > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > > > > One would first want to know what a belt "burn > > in" would mean? If we mean a > > belt that under normal cassette deck heat/pressure/friction > > will change the > > property of the belt in a meaningful way, then we are > > probably talking about > > an inferior material for the purposes of a tape deck belt. > > I've never seen > > belt burn-in specified in any applications, nor an > > explanation of what that > > would mean. Can anyone provide an example? We could then > > see if that would > > apply to our circumstance. > > > > I've just never seen it mentioned with respect to tape > > belts by any > > manufacturer of tape decks. I've also never noticed it > > or seen it mentioned > > in any manual when changing belts on turntables (back in > > the day when I did > > that sort of thing). A belt was either suitable - met > > specs - or it wasn't. > > > > Thanks, > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 14 06:14:43 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:14:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts In-Reply-To: <02fe01c8e54a$30095e00$901c1a00$@com> References: <9529648.1215955985324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <02e201c8e548$97f745b0$c7e5d110$@freeserve.co.uk> <02fe01c8e54a$30095e00$901c1a00$@com> Message-ID: <071420080414.25484.487AD2B20007D1C80000638C22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> This is exactly why Technics (Matsushita), and by extension JVC, pulled ALL the belts out from their Prosumer line of cassette decks in 1977, after the RS-9900 & RS671/673 etc, going full tilt with direct drive during the next production cycle, (78 model year) with the RS-M85 and M95 series. Funny thing is, I use both decks and almost prefer the "inconsistent and warbly belt drive sound". Isn't that a hoot since D/D's claim to fame was perfect speed accuracy. The exception being that the silver series (M22/33/63/68) kept using rubber till about 81 when the corporate mantra was "digital direct drive or death". Of course by that time the economics were such that the cost of production had made it possible for the entire herd of manufacturers to share this latest innovation. -------------- Original message from "Graham A Nelson" : -------------- > > Tom, David, Andy, et al, > Guess what? Terry Bateman at Rega tells me they have had problems in the past with O rings used as belts from some "less than exacting suppliers" causing both speed and ... inconsistent w/f. TB says TT belts warm up when the TT is in use and, when warm, those particular belts lost tension. Being aware of the heat issue with TT belts, Rega use bespoke made Dunlop belts that are "inherently temperature stable" (quoting TB) for their top TTs (P7 & P9). So, if it is the case that a belt on a TT can warm up and misbehave, it must surely be possible for a cassette deck belt to warm up even more given it's sat in a > small oven of warm electrical components, and it too misbehave. Right? But ... > ... You'd think that Nakamichi would have been no less demanding of their belts as Rega are for their Dunlop ones, especially for their better decks ... probably for the same reason as Rega. But we know that, in the latter dying > days of cassette deck production, Nakamichi let standards slip in many areas for > the sake of keeping manufacturing costs down. This being so, it would not be > surprising if they also let slip the quality of material used for making their > belts nor be so strict in demanding the highest quality control to meet their > specifications. In this case, a manufacturer left on a slack leash might well > have produced belts of variable quality, some good and some not so good, which > Nakamichi may have been prepared to accept when the end of cassette deck > manufacturing was in sight. Possible? Likely even? I mean, what would they > have to lose given they didn't intend to produce any more cassette decks? It's > not as if they'd have a reputation for making the highe! > st quality cassette decks to hold up. And besides, how many owners of, say, a > DR2 would even notice the w/f was less than perfect? It's only guys with w/f > measuring kit who'll notice, and then mostly because they can measure the effect > rather than hear it. > > Back to the issue of Andy's curious measurements: Now, given that Fred was > supplied with a Nak specified belt that proved slightly too large, not to Nak > spec even though he'd asked for it to be to their spec, and he's had to bring > the maker back in line to produce the belt to the exact size, might this suggest > his manufacturer could have been a "less than exacting supplier" for Nakamichi > just as it seems to have been for Fred? It might explain the differences that > Andy has measured compared with those of Tom and others. > > Just a thought ... or rather, a few! I'll let you know when I get back all the > other comments, assuming I do get them. > > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Brucker [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:33 PM > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; > fripp_em at yahoo.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > > Good idea Graham, > In my years of reading I've not heard anyone discuss warming belts. Turntables > are the primary belt utilizers. Can't wait for the replies. BTW the SOTA > Sapphire and Star turntables use a plastic belt. My first belt stretched and > fell off in 6 months, but my replacement belt has remained the same for 20 years > now. Sounds like a production change, and a vote for more stable materials. > > tom brucker > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at whiteapple.u-net.com Sun Jul 13 15:05:55 2008 From: doug at whiteapple.u-net.com (Doug Locke) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:05:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... In-Reply-To: <00a001c8e480$d5c71500$81553f00$@com> References: <00cf01c8e447$9d397ae0$d7ac70a0$@freeserve.co.uk> <120960.56681.qm@web50509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <008801c8e47d$7ab81b30$70285190$@freeserve.co.uk> <00a001c8e480$d5c71500$81553f00$@com> Message-ID: <4879FDB3.200@whiteapple.u-net.com> What interesting things you learn on Naktalk!! What if are an eskimo ? With a big grin. Doug. Graham A Nelson wrote > (Incidentally, I was reminded by an article I came across by accident the > other day, which mentions that when rubber is kept in cold conditions for > long periods it loses elasticity permanently. So, may be keeping the belts > in the freezer isn't such a good idea after all. Apparently, this phenomena > is caused by crystallisation and it's causing a problem with condoms in > Canada - cold stored ones are more likely to rip. Remember that, guys - > Canadian condoms are not to be trusted!) > > Graham > From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 21:03:50 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... In-Reply-To: <00cf01c8e447$9d397ae0$d7ac70a0$@freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <120960.56681.qm@web50509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Are you talking about a defective deck or a properly working deck? Would Nakamichi make a deck that studios would use that wouldn't meet spec until after some undetermined warm up and then just forget to mention it? We are speculating with "evidence" based on one persons claimed measurements with a replacement belt giving results that were never noticed in many years of Nakamichi tape deck use by either service technicians, studios, or apparently Nakamichi with the original replacement belt. Please lets not start another burn in myth:-) Can anyone show a Nakamichi manual, white paper, etc., that mentions belt burn in? Thanks, David --- On Sat, 7/12/08, Graham Nelson wrote: > From: Graham Nelson > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > To: fripp_em at yahoo.com, "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 10:49 AM > I'm probably pi##ing in the wind with this suggestion > but might the > differences measured be explained by how long a machine has > been running, > i.e. if it is "warmed up"? Just a thought. > I'll go back to bed now, nurse. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of fripp_em > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:47 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > > One would first want to know what a belt "burn > in" would mean? If we mean a > belt that under normal cassette deck heat/pressure/friction > will change the > property of the belt in a meaningful way, then we are > probably talking about > an inferior material for the purposes of a tape deck belt. > I've never seen > belt burn-in specified in any applications, nor an > explanation of what that > would mean. Can anyone provide an example? We could then > see if that would > apply to our circumstance. > > I've just never seen it mentioned with respect to tape > belts by any > manufacturer of tape decks. I've also never noticed it > or seen it mentioned > in any manual when changing belts on turntables (back in > the day when I did > that sort of thing). A belt was either suitable - met > specs - or it wasn't. > > Thanks, > David > > From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 02:36:05 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... In-Reply-To: <008801c8e47d$7ab81b30$70285190$@freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <956255.3916.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> No pistols involved at all:-) Wondering is fine. I just can't believe that the original belts were falling in and out of spec due to warm up and nobody noticed when these decks were in common use. That suggest an inferior belt that is not up to the job. I'm only asking for a tech note, white paper, or something before we start speculating based on one individual's test of one sellers belt. A new belt either meets specs or it doesn't. I've never seen any manual or any heard any tech suggests otherwise. I look forward to someone finding such a reference to belts needing to be warm related to Nakamichi decks (or any decks). Then we'll be wondering how we all missed it:-) Thanks, David --- On Sat, 7/12/08, Graham Nelson wrote: > Holster your pistols, David. I'm only asking a > question. Please don't > misunderstand me - I am NOT suggesting a belt needs burning > in but I AM > wondering if it might need warming up before it behaves at > its best for our > purpose. Nakamichi may not have suggested their decks need > to be warm to > work at their best. Nevertheless, some items of hi fi do > seem to work > better when they've been switched on and running for a > while, and some > makers say so while others do not. Indeed, I have heard > folk on the NakList > (and elsewhere) state that they like to warm up their decks > before any > serious listening. I seem to recall Tom did some w/f tests > (on a 505?) and > mentioned the deck had been running a while, which > suggested to me that Tom > may have thought having a thoroughly warmed up deck was > best if w/f were to > be measured. (Is this, or is it not, so Tom?) Is this > superstitious > nonsense or might there be reason for it? > > I think there MIGHT be a good reason for this. If a deck > were warm, would > not the belt be warm also? I seem to recall from my > physics days that when > rubber is warm it contracts as the molecules become > shorter. In other > words, a stretched belt will become tighter. Moreover, I > recall that when > rubber is warmed up it increases elasticity and becomes > softer. > (Incidentally, I was reminded by an article I came across > by accident the > other day, which mentions that when rubber is kept in cold > conditions for > long periods it loses elasticity permanently. So, may be > keeping the belts > in the freezer isn't such a good idea after all. > Apparently, this phenomena > is caused by crystallisation and it's causing a problem > with condoms in > Canada - cold stored ones are more likely to rip. Remember > that, guys - > Canadian condoms are not to be trusted!) > > So, if a belt is warmed up in a cassette machine is it not > likely that a) it > will grip better and b) any "bumps" on its > surface become less pronounced > because they will be softer and, thereby, the combination > of this affect any > w/f measurements comparative between when it is cold and > when it is warm? > > Just wondering ... that's all! :o) > > > Graham > From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 04:33:06 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... In-Reply-To: <011101c8e48c$6c0a7c40$441f74c0$@com> Message-ID: <946764.13521.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Graham, I don't disagree about rubber and temperature (there are all kinds of formulations of rubber I don't even know about that will change how affected by heat they are). I just think that in a cassette deck, there shouldn't be any measureable warm up differences in a quality belt. We're not talking about excessive heat are we? This has to be one of the conditions for a replacement belt for my classic decks, they need to be in spec and I don't want to have to worry about the room being too hot for the belt (but fine for me:-) I wish we knew the formulation for the classic belts since these decks seem to really want the correct belt. Guess we'll have to make do with what we can find. Thanks, David --- On Sat, 7/12/08, Graham A Nelson wrote: > From: Graham A Nelson > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > To: fripp_em at yahoo.com, "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 7:01 PM > Hi David > > Well, it wouldn't be an inferior belt just because of > this, since changes in > the properties of rubber when it becomes warm or cold is in > the nature of > rubber, whether it's a Nak belt, rubber band or a > condom. But of course, > that doesn't necessarily mean the difference is > measurable in our > application. There again, I suppose that could depend on > the environment. > For example, if the belt were in a machine that is in a > relatively cold > room, it might at first behave differently to one that is > already warm, or > warmer than the other belt, because it's in a warm > room. In short, when we > compare the same belts using the same test equipment on > identically spec'd > and conditioned decks, may all that be knocked by > differences in > environment, esp. temperature? > > I don't know - I'm just asking. But I'm just > wondering if this might > explain the differences that Andy may have found when the > measurement > improved after playing the belt. Just a thought. > > Out of interest, I've popped off an email to a friend > of mine who's a > designer at Rega, to see if they've noticed anything > like this with their > belt driven TTs and, indeed, if they recommend warming up a > TT before it's > used for serious listening. (I'm sure they'd > recommend warming up the > cartridge anyway, so they might not bother recommending > this for the TT as > it would happen anyway.) I've also asked the same > question of another > friend, a "name" in the UK hi fi world, who's > very technically knowledgeable > about stuff as this, and also to Paul Wilkins, who I > vaguely know, of B&W. > They'll all probably shoot the idea out of the water, > but it seems like an > interesting line of enquiry for all that! At least, it is > to this curious > cat. > > Cheers, > > Graham > From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 19:11:41 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... In-Reply-To: <9529648.1215955985324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <977948.55575.qm@web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Tom, > a vote for more stable materials. Exactly, the material does mater. I'm sure Nakamichi considered that. One of the books we used in a class I took was "Quality Engineering Using Robust Design" by Phadke, a student of Genichi Taguchi in Robust design techniques. Taguchi was influenced by W. Edwards Deming who went to Japan to help with quality control. The Japanese were rightly proud of the incredible confidence error they could achieve using Taguchi's methods and you've gotta believe Nakamichi was influenced by Taguchi/Deming etc. A belt that would change properties in a measurable way under normal use would not be considered good I think. Unless the change was what you were trying to achieve (say with a tire on a hot road?) and under this teaching the consumer should never see any adverse effect. Thanks, David From greynlds at gmail.com Sat Jul 12 17:56:56 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:56:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote Control on eBay In-Reply-To: <8CAB1A562046742-1914-E6F@MBLK-M29.sysops.aol.com> References: <071120081240.12656.487754B8000276120000317022165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8CAB1A562046742-1914-E6F@MBLK-M29.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1F987C4D694B4E9F8119706745860F45@geoffprimary> No wonder the decks go for so much - the remote itself is almost half of the value. I've got a CR-3A (was a freebie from a friend who no longer wanted it, but no original box / manual) and CR-7A (with remote, manual, and original box) that I'm considering selling as I just don't use cassettes anymore. As wrong as it would seem to do this, I wonder if I'd end up with more money from the sales if I sold the CR-7A and the remote separately when the time comes. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net ----- Original Message ----- From: badanth at aim.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A Remote Control on eBay The last one I followed went for about $300!!! Good luck... Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Jul 13 00:44:06 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:44:06 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 Message-ID: <32803210.1215902646583.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I prefer a 700II to a 1000II, primarily for looks. The 1000 has sexier meters, but the 700's buttons are too fine. The -II differences are probably worth waiting to get them. Consider a 582 or 482 also. The 582, while looking like a mutt dog, has all the sound in a 680. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Roland >Sent: Jul 11, 2008 3:47 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 > >Kermit, > >These two paragraphs in your reply are exactly what I am looking to >hear (no pun intended!). > > >I have a Dragon that works perfectly and I'd like to get another deck >for something to play with and both the 600 and 1000 fit the >bill. Although, the 682zx has gotten me mesmerized! > >I think that I might try 600 based on your report and that of Henk. > >The price range is right and the upkeep seems to be low. > > >At 04:20 PM 7/11/2008, you wrote: >>Hi Roland, >> >>Ask anyone -- they'll tell you that my favorite Nakamichi is the 600 >>and 600-II! Why? well, in all candor, I think they got the sound just >>right. The 600 and 600-II sound like a studio reel-to-reel and do not >>have that "cassette deck sound" if you follow what I'm alluding to. >>They're surprisingly reliable, and even well-worn machines can be >>cajoled into sounding like-new. They're natural and detailed sounding, > > > >>In the 1970s, I could have bought a 1000 instead of a 600. I chose the >>600 because I knew from experience servicing Nakamichis that keeping a >>1000 running is troublesome -- they have many more PC Board edge card >>connectors and microswitches that can corrode or develop loose >>contacts. > >Roland > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Jul 13 00:51:46 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:51:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] The 600, The 1000, And..... Message-ID: <17655042.1215903106273.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> A typical japanese playback circuit is designed to cost as little as possible and be easy to build. Most utilize natural head resonance to "peak" the playback frequency responce, in a maner similar to magnetic phono cartrdges. Nakamichi's wider bandwidth heads require less play eq, and the head resonance lies above the pb eq response. I might be going to far to suggest that Nak Crystalloy is to moving coil what ferrite (&friends) is to moving magnet. My point though is that any transducer operating at resonances imposes a telltale character, whether it is a microphone, woofer, or tape head. Operate the device away from its resonance, and the sound is preserved. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Jul 12, 2008 7:43 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] The 600, The 1000, And..... > > >....What about the 700 and 700 II? > >A while back, I scored a 700 Tri-Tracer on eBay for very low money (just over $50). The auction ended low because the seller had a very fuzzy photo and only a sentence or two for the description. It looked and felt like an auction for a dud, but I bid anyway, not expecting to win. > >To my surprise, when the deck arrived it was actually in very respectable cosmetic condition and was fully functional with the exception of an occasional drop-out in the right channel. A thorough cleaning of all the spade connectors soon fixed that. > >I have been enjoying Kermit's discussions of the merits of the 600 and 1000, but based on my experience with this "pleasant surprise" I got from eBay, I must put in a good word for the 700. > >I really love the sound of this 700. I don't use it that often, but whenever I do, I am continually reminded at how surprisingly good it sounds. Incredible warmth and a very balanced sound--the highs and lows are not "hot rodded" like more modern decks, just like Kermit described (I like that description!). > >It also has the best sounding Dolby B of all of my decks, thanks to a fully discrete design. > >I recently repaired a customer's very high-end deck that was not a Nakamichi. The deck sounded fine, but I did sense something lacking in the sound that I couldn't put my finger on. I decided to do a head-to-head comparison against one of my Nak decks, and for some reason I chose the 700. To put it bluntly, the 700 simply destroyed the other deck. There was NO comparison at all; the Nakamichi was clearly superior in every way. The detail that I thought I heard in the other deck sounded like mud compared to the detail coming out of the 700. Bass was far better defined and the treble sounded beautifully natural instead of artificial. Listening to the non-Nak deck was like seeing a picture on a really good standard TV set; listening to the 700 in comparison was like seeing that same picture on a 1080p high-definition flatscreen.... You think you are getting good results until you experience a unit that gives you truly excellent results. > > >*andy* > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Jul 13 15:13:45 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:13:45 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... Message-ID: <16840287.1215954825051.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Graham, I have set aside a 480 dedicated to belt testing. I did that to eliminate any variation in testing over a long period of time, Other than belt tests this deck is not used. I would say that in a testing session each belt is run for at least 10 minutes. I tend to listen to music first before I test in a (vain) attempt to calibrate my ear to the susequent measurements. Speed is then set, because belt size DOES affect speed quite markedly. I saw over 3% speed differences with 5 different belt types ... not 5 belts of one size, but 5 of different sizes. Yes, rubber would soften when warm. I suppose I could shoot freeze spray on a belt while testing and see what happens, but in the real world, we do things at room temperature. If I had a belt or deck that had minimum W/F from the moment it is switched on, wouldn't that be a superior machine? Recall the closed loop quartz servo on the flywheel DD reel to reel decks, like the Technics. It ought to be good from the first 5 seconds on. If cold ruins belts by all means move them to the butter drawer. I have seen very old stock new belts that have brown films on their bags, and I assume the neoprene breaks down with time. Cold slows all chemical reactions, and this then was the reason for keeping them away from air and cold. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Graham A Nelson >Sent: Jul 12, 2008 7:38 PM >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > > >Holster your pistols, David. I'm only asking a question. Please don't >misunderstand me - I am NOT suggesting a belt needs burning in but I AM >wondering if it might need warming up before it behaves at its best for our >purpose. Nakamichi may not have suggested their decks need to be warm to >work at their best. Nevertheless, some items of hi fi do seem to work >better when they've been switched on and running for a while, and some >makers say so while others do not. Indeed, I have heard folk on the NakList >(and elsewhere) state that they like to warm up their decks before any >serious listening. I seem to recall Tom did some w/f tests (on a 505?) and >mentioned the deck had been running a while, which suggested to me that Tom >may have thought having a thoroughly warmed up deck was best if w/f were to >be measured. (Is this, or is it not, so Tom?) Is this superstitious >nonsense or might there be reason for it? > >I think there MIGHT be a good reason for this. If a deck were warm, would >not the belt be warm also? I seem to recall from my physics days that when >rubber is warm it contracts as the molecules become shorter. In other >words, a stretched belt will become tighter. Moreover, I recall that when >rubber is warmed up it increases elasticity and becomes softer. >(Incidentally, I was reminded by an article I came across by accident the >other day, which mentions that when rubber is kept in cold conditions for >long periods it loses elasticity permanently. So, may be keeping the belts >in the freezer isn't such a good idea after all. Apparently, this phenomena >is caused by crystallisation and it's causing a problem with condoms in >Canada - cold stored ones are more likely to rip. Remember that, guys - >Canadian condoms are not to be trusted!) > >So, if a belt is warmed up in a cassette machine is it not likely that a) it >will grip better and b) any "bumps" on its surface become less pronounced >because they will be softer and, thereby, the combination of this affect any >w/f measurements comparative between when it is cold and when it is warm? > >Just wondering ... that's all! :o) > > >Graham > > >-----Original Message----- >From: fripp_em [mailto:fripp_em at yahoo.com] >Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 8:04 PM >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'; graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > >Are you talking about a defective deck or a properly working deck? > >Would Nakamichi make a deck that studios would use that wouldn't meet spec >until after some undetermined warm up and then just forget to mention it? > >We are speculating with "evidence" based on one persons claimed measurements >with a replacement belt giving results that were never noticed in many years >of Nakamichi tape deck use by either service technicians, studios, or >apparently Nakamichi with the original replacement belt. > >Please lets not start another burn in myth:-) Can anyone show a Nakamichi >manual, white paper, etc., that mentions belt burn in? > >Thanks, >David > >--- On Sat, 7/12/08, Graham Nelson wrote: > >> From: Graham Nelson >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... >> To: fripp_em at yahoo.com, "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > >> Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 10:49 AM >> I'm probably pi##ing in the wind with this suggestion >> but might the >> differences measured be explained by how long a machine has >> been running, >> i.e. if it is "warmed up"? Just a thought. >> I'll go back to bed now, nurse. >> >> Graham >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >> Of fripp_em >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:47 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... >> >> One would first want to know what a belt "burn >> in" would mean? If we mean a >> belt that under normal cassette deck heat/pressure/friction >> will change the >> property of the belt in a meaningful way, then we are >> probably talking about >> an inferior material for the purposes of a tape deck belt. >> I've never seen >> belt burn-in specified in any applications, nor an >> explanation of what that >> would mean. Can anyone provide an example? We could then >> see if that would >> apply to our circumstance. >> >> I've just never seen it mentioned with respect to tape >> belts by any >> manufacturer of tape decks. I've also never noticed it >> or seen it mentioned >> in any manual when changing belts on turntables (back in >> the day when I did >> that sort of thing). A belt was either suitable - met >> specs - or it wasn't. >> >> Thanks, >> David >> >> > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Jul 13 15:33:05 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:33:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... Message-ID: <9529648.1215955985324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Good idea Graham, In my years of reading I've not heard anyone discuss warming belts. Turntables are the primary belt utilizers. Can't wait for the replies. BTW the SOTA Sapphire and Star turntables use a plastic belt. My first belt stretched and fell off in 6 months, but my replacement belt has remained the same for 20 years now. Sounds like a production change, and a vote for more stable materials. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Graham A Nelson >Sent: Jul 12, 2008 9:01 PM >To: fripp_em at yahoo.com, 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > >Hi David > >Well, it wouldn't be an inferior belt just because of this, since changes in >the properties of rubber when it becomes warm or cold is in the nature of >rubber, whether it's a Nak belt, rubber band or a condom. But of course, >that doesn't necessarily mean the difference is measurable in our >application. There again, I suppose that could depend on the environment. >For example, if the belt were in a machine that is in a relatively cold >room, it might at first behave differently to one that is already warm, or >warmer than the other belt, because it's in a warm room. In short, when we >compare the same belts using the same test equipment on identically spec'd >and conditioned decks, may all that be knocked by differences in >environment, esp. temperature? > >I don't know - I'm just asking. But I'm just wondering if this might >explain the differences that Andy may have found when the measurement >improved after playing the belt. Just a thought. > >Out of interest, I've popped off an email to a friend of mine who's a >designer at Rega, to see if they've noticed anything like this with their >belt driven TTs and, indeed, if they recommend warming up a TT before it's >used for serious listening. (I'm sure they'd recommend warming up the >cartridge anyway, so they might not bother recommending this for the TT as >it would happen anyway.) I've also asked the same question of another >friend, a "name" in the UK hi fi world, who's very technically knowledgeable >about stuff as this, and also to Paul Wilkins, who I vaguely know, of B&W. >They'll all probably shoot the idea out of the water, but it seems like an >interesting line of enquiry for all that! At least, it is to this curious >cat. > >Cheers, > >Graham > > >-----Original Message----- >From: fripp_em [mailto:fripp_em at yahoo.com] >Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 1:36 AM >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'; graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > >No pistols involved at all:-) > >Wondering is fine. I just can't believe that the original belts were >falling in and out of spec due to warm up and nobody noticed when these >decks were in common use. That suggest an inferior belt that is not up to >the job. I'm only asking for a tech note, white paper, or something before >we start speculating based on one individual's test of one sellers belt. > >A new belt either meets specs or it doesn't. I've never seen any manual or >any heard any tech suggests otherwise. I look forward to someone finding >such a reference to belts needing to be warm related to Nakamichi decks (or >any decks). Then we'll be wondering how we all missed it:-) > >Thanks, >David > >--- On Sat, 7/12/08, Graham Nelson wrote: > >> Holster your pistols, David. I'm only asking a >> question. Please don't >> misunderstand me - I am NOT suggesting a belt needs burning >> in but I AM >> wondering if it might need warming up before it behaves at >> its best for our >> purpose. Nakamichi may not have suggested their decks need >> to be warm to >> work at their best. Nevertheless, some items of hi fi do >> seem to work >> better when they've been switched on and running for a >> while, and some >> makers say so while others do not. Indeed, I have heard >> folk on the NakList >> (and elsewhere) state that they like to warm up their decks >> before any >> serious listening. I seem to recall Tom did some w/f tests >> (on a 505?) and >> mentioned the deck had been running a while, which >> suggested to me that Tom >> may have thought having a thoroughly warmed up deck was >> best if w/f were to >> be measured. (Is this, or is it not, so Tom?) Is this >> superstitious >> nonsense or might there be reason for it? >> >> I think there MIGHT be a good reason for this. If a deck >> were warm, would >> not the belt be warm also? I seem to recall from my >> physics days that when >> rubber is warm it contracts as the molecules become >> shorter. In other >> words, a stretched belt will become tighter. Moreover, I >> recall that when >> rubber is warmed up it increases elasticity and becomes >> softer. >> (Incidentally, I was reminded by an article I came across >> by accident the >> other day, which mentions that when rubber is kept in cold >> conditions for >> long periods it loses elasticity permanently. So, may be >> keeping the belts >> in the freezer isn't such a good idea after all. >> Apparently, this phenomena >> is caused by crystallisation and it's causing a problem >> with condoms in >> Canada - cold stored ones are more likely to rip. Remember >> that, guys - >> Canadian condoms are not to be trusted!) >> >> So, if a belt is warmed up in a cassette machine is it not >> likely that a) it >> will grip better and b) any "bumps" on its >> surface become less pronounced >> because they will be softer and, thereby, the combination >> of this affect any >> w/f measurements comparative between when it is cold and >> when it is warm? >> >> Just wondering ... that's all! :o) >> >> >> Graham >> > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From rayr0683 at comcast.net Sun Jul 13 16:05:40 2008 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:05:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fabric Belts Message-ID: <071320081405.19514.487A0BB4000BCC2C00004C3A2216551406CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> Graham, Yes, Fabric belts held their form far better than plain rubber belts. I know this from repairing older reel to reel tape decks, like webster, webcor, wilcox-gay, etc.....the fabric belts would usually never require changing, even after all the years of use, yet all the rubber belts would either be stretched, brittle, broken or stiff. Even at the Parts supply house I would go to, where nearly all repair techs went, it was well known that the fabric belts rarely needed a replacement. The stock barely moved in all the Fabric Belts. SO, I would state on my experience, and that of other techs, I have known, as well as the Parts Supplier, that Fabric Belts are a completely different animal than ordinary rubber belts. Ray From jeruff at yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 16:35:13 2008 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The 600, The 1000, And..... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <891921.67297.qm@web83703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The 700 is a very awesome deck, but I can second the notion that they are problematic (as could many others here). I got one a couple years ago that had been sitting unused in its box for twenty years or more, and I've yet to have it working for longer than a couple months at a time. One of these days I hope to get it going again, as it is in nearly mint condition cosmetically from all the non-use. That being said, I've learned my lesson about buying decks that have sat around in a box--Naks were clearly created to be used! Jesse --- Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Andy, > > I didn't mean to slight the wonderful 700 and > 700-II. They're > wonderful recorders, to my ears so close to the 1000 > as to be nearly > identical, although the 1000 is better. I found it > amusing to listen > to audiophiles and engineers argue the merits of the > 700 versus the > 1000 because both are so excellent that you're > arguing about the > difference between fabulous and fabulous. The 700 > can be laid down > flat, stood upright, or rack mounted. I always > enjoyed the quirky > sideways-loading cassette door. Of the "Big Three" > 1970s Nakamichis, > the 600, 700 and 1000; I always found the 700 to be > the most prone to > problems caused by internal connectors. > > I must admit, to my ears, the cassette format > reached its zenith with > the 500, 600 series, 700 series and 1000 series. > Nakamichi got the > sound just right. Those decks were so natural > sounding you forgot you > were listening to a cassette, I've made master tapes > that subsequently > became good sounding LPs and bulk-duplicated > cassettes with Nakamichi > 550, 600, 600-II, 1000, 100-II and 1000ZXL > recorders. Part of me would > be a bit worried the client would discover that a > cassette deck made > their master tape! Fun! > > In the mid-to-late 1970s, your studio was judged by > your Nakamichi. It > was taken for granted if you were a pro, you had a > Nakamichi. A 600 > said to the client that you were properly equipped > but lower budget. A > 700 said you did work for FM radio, or were > "up-and-coming." A 1000 > said you'd "arrived." The presence of a cassette > deck other than > Nakamichi said to the client that they were in the > wrong place! > > The 700 developed, accidentally, a nefarious > reputation in radio > broadcasting circles. They were popular in FM > stations because it was > found that the design of the loading door made it > very easy to hide > small bags of heroin or cocaine inside the deck. You > could open the > cassette door, and easily reach in and grab your > prize. Thus, for a > few years, the Nakamichi 700 became a popular "dead > drop" for the > delivery of illegal drugs to radio DJs. Remember the > radio payola > scandals of the 1970s? The Nakamichi 700 unwillingly > played its part! > I guess that's why I never considered buying a 700; > I didn't want to > be viewed with suspicion. Everyone knew I didn't do > drugs. (Although > many of my friends did. They also knew I was a > stand-up guy who > wouldn't narc on them). I wanted to keep it that way > -- I figured my > health was bad enough as it was, why pay to wreck it > further? Besides, > I wanted to spend money on music and audio > equipment! Now, all these > years later, I wish I'd have bought one! > > Just a weird piece of audio history. > > On Jul 12, 2008, at 7:43 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net > wrote: > > > > > ....What about the 700 and 700 II? > > > > A while back, I scored a 700 Tri-Tracer on eBay > for very low money > > (just over $50). The auction ended low because > the seller had a > > very fuzzy photo and only a sentence or two for > the description. It > > looked and felt like an auction for a dud, but I > bid anyway, not > > expecting to win. > > > > To my surprise, when the deck arrived it was > actually in very > > respectable cosmetic condition and was fully > functional with the > > exception of an occasional drop-out in the right > channel. A > > thorough cleaning of all the spade connectors soon > fixed that. > > > > I have been enjoying Kermit's discussions of the > merits of the 600 > > and 1000, but based on my experience with this > "pleasant surprise" I > > got from eBay, I must put in a good word for the > 700. > > > > I really love the sound of this 700. I don't use > it that often, but > > whenever I do, I am continually reminded at how > surprisingly good it > > sounds. Incredible warmth and a very balanced > sound--the highs and > > lows are not "hot rodded" like more modern decks, > just like Kermit > > described (I like that description!). > > > > It also has the best sounding Dolby B of all of my > decks, thanks to > > a fully discrete design. > > > > I recently repaired a customer's very high-end > deck that was not a > > Nakamichi. The deck sounded fine, but I did sense > something lacking > > in the sound that I couldn't put my finger on. I > decided to do a > > head-to-head comparison against one of my Nak > decks, and for some > > reason I chose the 700. To put it bluntly, the > 700 simply destroyed > > the other deck. There was NO comparison at all; > the Nakamichi was > > clearly superior in every way. The detail that I > thought I heard in > > the other deck sounded like mud compared to the > detail coming out of > > the 700. Bass was far better defined and the > treble sounded > > beautifully natural instead of artificial. > Listening to the non-Nak > > deck was like seeing a picture on a really good > standard TV set; > > listening to the 700 in comparison was like seeing > that same picture > > on a 1080p high-definition flatscreen.... You > think you are > > getting good results until you experience a unit > that gives you > > truly excellent results. > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From jkastumavin at comcast.net Sun Jul 13 19:51:28 2008 From: jkastumavin at comcast.net (J.B. Winslow) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:51:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480Z Problems Message-ID: <000501c8e511$1410a8e0$640110ac@mom> Thanks for the input as that was exactly the problem. Since it hasn't been used in many years all it took was a day of using it and thereby moving the pivot arms a lot it is now performing great. Thanks again. J.B. "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Sat Jul 12 23:39:32 2008 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:39:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] I have a re-calibated Dragon, new belts and gone through by Tom Brucker... Message-ID: I have a Dragon that Tom Brucker worked on. I had Nak belts replaced throughout, and had Tom re-calibrate and go through it completely. When Tom shipped it back to me, it was damaged. 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URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Jul 14 10:55:27 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:55:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts In-Reply-To: <071420080414.25484.487AD2B20007D1C80000638C22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> References: <9529648.1215955985324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <02e201c8e548$97f745b0$c7e5d110$@freeserve.co.uk> <02fe01c8e54a$30095e00$901c1a00$@com> <071420080414.25484.487AD2B20007D1C80000638C22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <04aa01c8e58f$5e39cef0$1aad6cd0$@com> I should have added the obvious, which is that the Rega problem with w/f was once it became warm, not when it was cold. However, their issue was not of grip but tension, which caused the tape to rise up on a shaped spindle, causing the problem with speed and w/f – the warming of the belt would still have shortened it, but the increase in elasticity would have reduced the tension, thereby causing the belt to slip up onto the wider part of the spindle. This is rather different from the issue with a uniform width of spindle in a cassette deck, where an increase in elasticity might be more likely to increase its grip n the spindle, reducing slippage, and thereby giving improved w/f. The contradiction of Nakamichi fitting more “temperature stable” belts is addressed in my earlier post, where I offer a ‘possible’ explanation for this, namely that Nakamichi would have had reason to become less strict about the quality of the material properties of the belts they were using in the latter days of cassette deck production as well as variable quality control on the finished product (e.g. size, consistency of thickness), which I suggest is not only possible but quite likely given their profit margins would have been squeezed to get to a realistic pricing level for the market at that time. You may recall that they initially said they had stopped production and then popped up another short run of a “new” range of decks that most would consider to be inferior in quality compared with those produced beforehand. Therefore, there is every reason to suggest they would be inclined to drop their quality standards of their belts, too. Clearly then, they were capitalising on their reputation without investing in the future of the Nakamichi brand. But a quick question for the techs who were selling and servicing Naks. When you replaced a belt on a deck, did you always check the w/f? In the latter days, could you have missed variable quality in the belts because you might have assumed the belts were good because they had always been good before? Answers to this could explain a lot, or else blow some of this theory out of the water!! ;o) Graham From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net [mailto:ddino77 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:15 AM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts This is exactly why Technics (Matsushita), and by extension JVC, pulled ALL the belts out from their Prosumer line of cassette decks in 1977, after the RS-9900 & RS671/673 etc, going full tilt with direct drive during the next production cycle, (78 model year) with the RS-M85 and M95 series. Funny thing is, I use both decks and almost prefer the "inconsistent and warbly belt drive sound". Isn't that a hoot since D/D's claim to fame was perfect speed accuracy. The exception being that the silver series (M22/33/63/68) kept using rubber till about 81 when the corporate mantra was "digital direct drive or death". Of course by that time the economics were such that the cost of production had made it possible for the entire herd of manufacturers to share this latest innovation. -------------- Original message from "Graham A Nelson" : -------------- > > Tom, David, Andy, et al, > Guess what? Terry Bateman at Rega tells me they have had problems in the past with O rings used as belts from some "less than exacting suppliers" causing both speed and ... inconsistent w/f. TB says TT belts warm up when the TT is in use and, when warm, those particular belts lost tension. Being aware of the heat issue with TT belts, Rega use bespoke made Dunlop belts that are "inherently temperature stable" (quoting TB) for their top TTs (P7 & P9). So, if it is the case that a belt on a TT can warm up and misbehave, it must surely be possible for a cassette deck belt to warm up even more given it's sat in a > small oven of warm electrical components, and it too misbehave. Right? But ... > ... You'd think that Nakamichi would have been no less demanding of their belts as Rega are for their Dunlop ones, especially for their better decks ... probably for the same reason as Rega. But we know that, in the latter dying > days of cassette deck production, Nakamichi let standards slip in many areas for > the sake of keeping manufacturing costs down. This being so, it would not be > surprising if they also let slip the quality of material used for making their > belts nor be so strict in demanding the highest quality control to meet their > specifications. In this case, a manufacturer left on a slack leash might well > have produced belts of variable quality, some good and some not so good, which > Nakamichi may have been prepared to accept when the end of cassette deck > manufacturing was in sight. Possible? Likely even? I mean, what would they > have to lose given they didn't intend to produce any more cassette decks? It's > not as if they'd have a reputation for making the highe! > st quality cassette decks to hold up. And besides, how many owners of, say, a > DR2 would even notice the w/f was less than perfect? It's only guys with w/f > measuring kit who'll notice, and then mostly because they can measure the effect > rather than hear it. > > Back to the issue of Andy's curious measurements: Now, given that Fred was > supplied with a Nak specified belt that proved slightly too large, not to Nak > spec even though he'd asked for it to be to their spec, and he's had to bring > the maker back in line to produce the belt to the exact size, might this suggest > his manufacturer could have been a "less than exacting supplier" for Nakamichi > just as it seems to have been for Fred? It might explain the differences that > Andy has measured compared with those of Tom and others. > > Just a thought ... or rather, a few! I'll let you know when I get back all the > other comments, assuming I do get them. > > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Brucker [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:33 PM > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; > fripp_em at yahoo.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > > Good idea Graham, > In my years of reading I've not heard anyone discuss warming belts. Turntables > are the primary belt utilizers. Can't wait for the replies. BTW the SOTA > Sapphire and Star turntables use a plastic belt. My first belt stretched and > fell off in 6 months, but my replacement belt has remained the same for 20 years > now. Sounds like a production change, and a vote for more stable materials. > > tom brucker > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Mon Jul 14 09:34:23 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:34:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 600, The 1000, And..... In-Reply-To: <200807131002.m6DA19pg015957@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <481B206B0003D818@mail-2-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Andy, I concur with your possitive reactions to the 700 (700 II). The 700 is effectively comparable with the 1000 and sounds likewise. The PC boards are differently layed out as is the mechanism. This impaires maintenance, but the circuitry is (as far as I can tell) soundwise the same. Dolby is indeed good. The 1000's and 700's I treasure the most of all my decks. The sound has a rightness that is lacking by most, if not all other decks (Naks and non - Naks). If you try and compare decks as you did you can be astounded just how good the 1000 and 700 are reproducing music while the others are mimicking music. Enjoy the 700 Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:43:01 +0000 >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Subject: [naktalk] The 600, The 1000, And..... >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: > <071220081243.13881.4878A6D50007D5700000363922165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908 at comcast.net> > > > >....What about the 700 and 700 II? > >A while back, I scored a 700 Tri-Tracer on eBay for very low money (just >over $50). The auction ended low because the seller had a very fuzzy photo >and only a sentence or two for the description. It looked and felt like >an auction for a dud, but I bid anyway, not expecting to win. > >To my surprise, when the deck arrived it was actually in very respectable >cosmetic condition and was fully functional with the exception of an occasional >drop-out in the right channel. A thorough cleaning of all the spade connectors >soon fixed that. > >I have been enjoying Kermit's discussions of the merits of the 600 and 1000, >but based on my experience with this "pleasant surprise" I got from eBay, >I must put in a good word for the 700. > >I really love the sound of this 700. I don't use it that often, but whenever >I do, I am continually reminded at how surprisingly good it sounds. Incredible >warmth and a very balanced sound--the highs and lows are not "hot rodded" >like more modern decks, just like Kermit described (I like that description!). > >It also has the best sounding Dolby B of all of my decks, thanks to a fully >discrete design. > >I recently repaired a customer's very high-end deck that was not a Nakamichi. > The deck sounded fine, but I did sense something lacking in the sound that >I couldn't put my finger on. I decided to do a head-to-head comparison against >one of my Nak decks, and for some reason I chose the 700. To put it bluntly, >the 700 simply destroyed the other deck. There was NO comparison at all; >the Nakamichi was clearly superior in every way. The detail that I thought >I heard in the other deck sounded like mud compared to the detail coming >out of the 700. Bass was far better defined and the treble sounded beautifully >natural instead of artificial. Listening to the non-Nak deck was like seeing >a picture on a really good standard TV set; listening to the 700 in comparison >was like seeing that same picture on a 1080p high-definition flatscreen.... > You think you are getting good results until you experience a unit that >gives you truly excellent results. > > >*andy* > From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Mon Jul 14 10:08:15 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:08:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Opinions on the Nak 600 vs 600 II In-Reply-To: <200807131002.m6DA19pg015957@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <481B206B0003D89F@mail-2-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Tom, Still 7 decks 600 remain in my collection, but only one 600 II. The 600 I've heard and listened to for 25 years in very different circumstances, but up to now I've not really been listening to the 600 II. Shame. The 600 II is rather rare. The first one I bought 2 years ago had electronic problems resulting is oscillations. This one is now in repair. I traded it recently for an other 600 II which had mechanically sticking pause button and idler assembly. Now I've solved these I can give it a listen, but I will first check the electronics to see if these are fault free. (I already cleaned all connectors, releaving it from meter problems, and need to excange a burned light bulp.) I expect the mechanism to be the same in both versions. I expect the electronics to be likewise, but the adjustements has been made readily in reach for non-technically skilled users. The IM distortion suppression has been dumped and the head assembly is different. These two facts might have an influence on the sound. Kermit reports the 600 has the edge, so this IM suppression thing may be beneficial. I have NEVER tinkered with the IM suppression adjustments, because I have no way of verifying the results but by ear. And I just didn't bother to much because for two head designs these machines were already sounding incredibly good. I didn't want to risk loosing that. Is there a smart way to adjust this IM suppression? (With just a tone generator and VU meters at my disposal) Happy listening, Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 06:37:32 -0500 (GMT-05:00) >From: Tom Brucker >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , > naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: > <6285204.1215862652386.JavaMail.root at elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >600 and 600II are quite different. Anyone care to comment? >Heads for all three decks are relappable if worn. They will show wear grooves. >If you can catch your fingernail in a groove it is time for service. >tom brucker > >-----Original Message----- >>From: ScHenk >>Sent: Jul 11, 2008 10:21 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 >> >>Roland, >> >>The Nakamichi 600 (and vs. II) is still an admirable performer. This is >a >>rugged and mechanically strong machine. The electronics is its strongest >>feat (and possibly the head) giving it a smooth and detailed sound. The >W&F >>(possibly tape path travel) is it's weak point. >>Measurements are nice but not exceptional and do it's sound performance >no >>justice. >>The 600 were bought by serious music lovers in the high days of the cassette >>medium, so these 600's were often used for many hours. Therefor you will >>find many 600 machines with much wear. These machines might still play but >>performance may have suffered. A mint specimun can be found from time to >>time and can show the full potential of this very fine cassette deck. >> >>The Nakamichi 1000 (and vs. II but not the ZXL) is still a top notch performer, >>rugged and strong. Electronics are very good sounding and it's three heads >>are magnificient for the job. Sound is smooth, detailed and spacey in a >high >>end like way. Tape travel and W&F are superb, soundwise. Measurements again >>do not really show all of it's capacity soundwise. >> This was the flagship of the Nakamichi line and designed to explore the >>possibilities of the cassette medium. As a flagship it was bought by the >>luckier people who were not always heavy users of cassettes. As a result >>there are a reasonable number of the original 1000's in very healthy shape >>to be found. >> >>The 1000 ZXL is a completely different animal, super performer when in super >>good condition, but alas fault prone. >> >>Happy listening, >>Henk Schenk >>Netherlands >>www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >> >>>From: Roland >>>Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 >>>To: Nakamichi tapedecks >>>Message-ID: >>> <20080710201055.MJAM2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net at eastrmimpo02.cox.net> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>> >>>I see the 600 pops up rather frequently and I was just curious if >>>anyone here owns one and do they have an opinion? >>> >>>I know it's a two head deck but I just find the look rather >>>interesting in that it has the studio console look. I also see the >>>1000 and 1000 II show up frequently. >>> >>>Is the 1000 a costly machine to own? Meaning, is it a troublesome or >>>finicky machine to own as far as staying in spec? >>> >>>I'm really just looking for opinions of those who own the 600 or the 1000. >>> >>>Roland >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 > > From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Mon Jul 14 16:58:32 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:58:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Opinions on the 600 In-Reply-To: <200807141001.m6EA0rbA012746@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <481B206B0003DF57@mail-2-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Dan, I've taken quite some time to build my first System One and wrote the article on my WEB page. After that, things came into motion and a second, incomplete, System One fell into my lap soon after. After years of searching, I recently acquired a second 620 power amp in real good condition, so now I could build a second prestine System One, complete and in full working order. But instead I just keep the cassette duplication rack holding four 600 cassette consoles (as Nak dubbed these machines) and a home made switching board. There are a number of options made for the System One by Nakamichi. The wheel lockers and hooks on top of the rack are two of them. A third is the rack console, a plate on top of the rack, used for putting a record deck on top of the otherwise complete System One. A record deck on top of the System One is not my idea of audio perfection as the basis for a record deck should be rock solid and not be a moving object on wheels. (Wheel lockers will help here, though, be cannot help on wooden floors) But the rack console can be used to put any CD player of your liking on top of the System One. As you have asked for a CD player to be mounted in the System One rack, I just came up with the tantalizing thought of building a CD player into a empty 630 casing. The CD should fit into the large radio dial cut out of the 630, mmmhhh. I think I could like this idea.... I feel a new project is coming up. Any others interested and having bright ideas?? Good luck Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:32:24 -0400 >From: danbarham at aol.com >Subject: [naktalk] RE: Opinions on the 600 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: <8CAB253FFA3D695-1780-2462 at mblk-d31.sysops.aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Roland, all, > >???? I'll mirror what Hank and Kermit have said about the 600. I have two >600's and a 600II. The sound from them is amazing. I was quite honestly very >surprised. As Hank says, the electronics are superb but the transport is >the weak link. >? >It's a mechanical transport, single motor, single capstan, 2 head deck. The >FF/REW times are painfully slow. There was a service bulletin that Nak put >out about replacing the reel hub drives pinion/pulley (the exact name escapes >me). The original part?had a?plastic holder for this pinion that would wear >and get excessive play. The replacement was metal and had much better wear >characteristics. >? >There was another service bulletin about swapping the original spring loaded >back tension supply hub for a felt pad back tension supply hub that lowered >W+F and made it more consistent. One of my 600's had the felt pad modification >and it was my best performing machine. >? >If you can get the transport solid and reliable, these are great decks, I >wouldn't hesitate to recommend them. They are not metal capable for recording >but you can play back a metal tape. Their oddball form factor is another >notable point. > >One of my long term goals is to assemble an entire System 1, complete with >its unique rack. These systems come up on eBay occasionally but usually go >for close to $1000, far more than I am willing to pay. The individual components >often come up on the Bay too but always go for more than I am willing to >pay. Unfortunately, the 600 deck is the ONLY part of the System 1 that sells >pretty cheaply. The rest of the components are way too much in my opinion. > >Can anybody recommend a good CD player that matches the looks of the System >1 and be able to be fitted into the System 1 rack? Hank has a very nice System >1 and?has a great web page documenting it. Hank? > >Dan Barham >Chicagoland? From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon Jul 14 18:35:55 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:35:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts In-Reply-To: <071420080414.25484.487AD2B20007D1C80000638C22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> References: <9529648.1215955985324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <02e201c8e548$97f745b0$c7e5d110$@freeserve.co.uk> <02fe01c8e54a$30095e00$901c1a00$@com> <071420080414.25484.487AD2B20007D1C80000638C22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <487B806B.20009@marrscommunications.com> Hello, I am glad this topic has come up. Nakamichi no doubt, built the absolute best consumer cassette decks money could buy. The key word here is consumer. Nakamichi did NOT build commercial machines in any form or fashion. The mentality consumer manufacturers goes something like this: Some corner can be cut to hold down production cost, and the "consumer will never know". It is that simple. All of us, who follow this group and support our favorite Brands of equipment, are convinced the equipment we support is / was the absolute best. We are all more knowledgeable in the "electronics field" that the average consumer. We are a strange breed. Nakamichi had a choice to make. Build a commercial heavy duty "bullet proof" work horse, with the best performance money could buy and sell 10,000 machines a year OR, build a consumer machine with the highest performance available, that was NOT a commercial machine the average joe could "manage" to afford. Base on the "net" margin of profit, it was smarter for them to build the consumer machine and sell 500,000 ? machines a year. Nakamichi built machines with a "passion" but the reason behind it was the almighty dollar. I sold Nakamichi for a few years. I have personally owned most every model starting with the 680ZX and ending with the CR-7A. I Never owned a Dragon. My experience with their build quality is disappointing a long story. My point is: We just have to face 1 very important fact. Nakamichi manufactured the absolute best consumer machines money could buy BUT, there were compromises. Their dependability was not that great but, when "they worked" they were the utopia. Coming from the manufacturing industry, I know without a doubt "some" corners are cut with the thought in mind, the consumer will never know. I do not know this for a fact but I would bet, not every machine coming off of the line was checked "to meet specifications". Doing everything perfectly right, is cost prohibitive. And what the consumer doesn't know, won't hurt him. I know this is hard to "hear" but it is the truth. Perhaps this is why the original D was 9.5" ? Fred M. ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: > This is exactly why Technics (Matsushita), and by extension JVC, > pulled ALL the belts out from their Prosumer line of cassette decks in > 1977, after the RS-9900 & RS671/673 etc, going full tilt with direct > drive during the next production cycle, (78 model year) with the > RS-M85 and M95 series. Funny thing is, I use both decks and almost > prefer the "inconsistent and warbly belt drive sound". Isn't that a > hoot since D/D's claim to fame was perfect speed accuracy. > The exception being that the silver series (M22/33/63/68) kept using > rubber till about 81 when the corporate mantra was "digital direct > drive or death". Of course by that time the economics were such that > the cost of production had made it possible for the entire herd of > manufacturers to share this latest innovation. > > -------------- Original message from "Graham A Nelson" > : -------------- > > > > > > Tom, David, Andy, et al, > > Guess what? Terry Bateman at Rega tells me they have had > problems in the past with O rings used as belts from some "less > than exacting suppliers" causing both speed and ... inconsistent > w/f. TB says TT belts warm up when the TT is in use and, when > warm, those particular belts lost tension. Being aware of the heat > issue with TT belts, Rega use bespoke made Dunlop belts that are > "inherently temperature stable" (quoting TB) for their top TTs (P7 > & P9). So, if it is the case that a belt on a TT can warm up and > misbehave, it must surely be possible for a cassette deck belt to > warm up even more given it's sat in a > > small oven of warm electrical components, and it too misbehave. > Right? But ... > > ... You'd think that Nakamichi would have been no less demanding > of their belts as Rega are for their Dunlop ones, especially for > their better decks ... probably for the same reason as Rega. But > we know that, in the latter dying > > days of cassette deck production, Nakamichi let standards slip > in many areas for > > the sake of keeping manufacturing costs down. This being so, it > would not be > > surprising if they also let slip the quality of material used > for making their > > belts nor be so strict in demanding the highest quality control > to meet their > > specifications. In this case, a manufacturer left on a slack > leash might well > > have produced belts of variable quality, some good and some not > so good, which > > Nakamichi may have been prepared to accept when the end of > cassette deck > > manufacturing was in sight. Possible? Likely even? I mean, what > would they > > have to lose given they didn't intend to produce any more > cassette decks? It's > > not as if they'd have a reputation for making the highe! > > st quality cassette decks to hold up. And besides, how many > owners of, say, a > > DR2 would even notice the w/f was less than perfect? It's only > guys with w/f > > measuring kit who'll notice, and then mostly because they can > measure the effect > > rather than hear it. > > > > Back to the issue of Andy's curious measurements: Now, given > that Fred was > > supplied with a Nak specified belt that proved slightly too > large, not to Nak > > spec even though he'd asked for it to be to their spec, and he's > had to bring > > the maker back in line to produce the belt to the exact size, > might this suggest > > his manufacturer could have been a "less than exacting supplier" > for Nakamichi > > just as it seems to have been for Fred? It might explain the > differences that > > Andy has measured compared with those of Tom and others. > > > > Just a thought ... or rather, a few! I'll let you know when I > get back all the > > other comments, assuming I do get them. > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Brucker [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:33 PM > > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks; > > fripp_em at yahoo.com; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Can Of Worms, Revisited..... > > > > Good idea Graham, > > In my years of reading I've not heard anyone discuss warming > belts. Turntables > > are the primary belt utilizers. Can't wait for the replies. BTW > the SOTA > > Sapphire and Star turntables use a plastic belt. My first belt > stretched and > > fell off in 6 months, but my replacement belt has remained the > same for 20 years > > now. Sounds like a production change, and a vote for more stable > materials. > > > > tom brucker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 19:47:51 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts In-Reply-To: <04aa01c8e58f$5e39cef0$1aad6cd0$@com> Message-ID: <174573.38356.qm@web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 7/14/08, Graham A Nelson wrote: > > But a quick question for the techs who were selling and > servicing Naks. When you replaced a belt on a deck, did > you always check the w/f? It not they should have gotten a new hobby, I mean profession...:-) David From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Jul 15 02:59:58 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:59:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts References: <9529648.1215955985324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <02e201c8e548$97f745b0$c7e5d110$@freeserve.co.uk> <02fe01c8e54a$30095e00$901c1a00$@com> <071420080414.25484.487AD2B20007D1C80000638C22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> <487B806B.20009@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <087201c8e616$1bb62510$53226f30$@com> Exactly, Fred. We don't know if they slipped their standards on the rubber composition or quality control of the belts. If rubber composition, that could explain why the belt Andy has behaved as it did. If slipping of standards, that would explain why an ex-manufacturer of belts for Nakamichi told Fred he could make more belts to the Nak standard that turned out too big. In other words, the seemingly non-standard belt Fred got from the factory may have been to a Nak standard, not the Nak standard. The fact that the final special run of "original" belts Nakamichi had made for ESL (and others?) behave impeccably is a red herring because they were not produced by at the factory where the D belt was manufactured. They were made elsewhere. Moreover, they were not made to fit a cost because those belts always were going to become a premium priced product. So they had to be good. This is not to say the D belt was not produced to the Nak standard, but it may have been consistent with a Nak standard, to have a belt made down to a cost - in other words, they may have been cutting corners. And "in other words" again, while the D belts were the "wrong" size they may still have been "right" if they were within a greater tolerance of error agreed with Nakamichi at the time that factory was making belts for them. So, when they made the belts for Fred, saying they were identical to those they made for Nakamichi, perhaps they were! We don't know but we may reasonably suspect they did drop their standards, at least for a while. After all, Nakamichi cut corners elsewhere, especially with the final range of cassette decks. So, why not the belts, too? The cassette deck market was collapsing when they brought out that last range - indeed, it was a surprise that they did launch them when they did because they had previously announced (in the UK at least) they had already stopped cassette deck production, when they announced a last (DR?) limited range. But most agree were rebadged and lower build quality versions of previous designs. They made those decks to squeeze the last Cent out of the market, and to keep the costs down, to sell enough units to make a profit, they would have had to manufacture to a lower cost because the cost of materials was higher than before and they were also being squeezed by competition from alternative technologies. So, to sell those decks and still make money they had to build them down to a price, and they'd have considered every part in the deck for saving costs, even the belts. We don't know for sure that they did shave the standards off the belts but I'd have though the belts would have been an easy choice because black belts all look the same even when they are not. I mean, who would know the difference . except a bunch of us Nak geeks bothered enough to measure them!!!??? Moreover, given the D production run was more of a favour to Fred than a commercial venture for the factory, I would also suggest they might have cut a few corners and compounded any "lower" standard by being less rigorous with their quality control So, the belt Andy got might well have been a bit different to those the others received. (You could always swap belts with each other and check the other's measurement.) Therefore, I believe it would be wrong to assume, let alone imply, that Andy got his measurements wrong because there is a possible, dare I say a plausible, alternative explanation for the variance of measurements. So far, I've only received one more comment from outside out circle in addition to that from Rega, this one being from Studio Sound Electronics. I asked them, "When testing for w&f, have you ever notice if measurements change once the unit, or belt, has warmed up?" They replied, "Motors, bearings, etc (including belts), can all change characteristics as they warm up, creating either an improvement or degradation of wow and flutter. In general, I would expect the performance to get better as the unit warms up. " (Frank Fendley) In other words, they would have predicted Andy's results, not those of the others. Graham From: Marrs Communications [mailto:marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:36 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts Hello, I am glad this topic has come up. . My point is: We just have to face 1 very important fact. Nakamichi manufactured the absolute best consumer machines money could buy BUT, there were compromises. Their dependability was not that great but, when "they worked" they were the utopia. Coming from the manufacturing industry, I know without a doubt "some" corners are cut with the thought in mind, the consumer will never know. I do not know this for a fact but I would bet, not every machine coming off of the line was checked "to meet specifications". Doing everything perfectly right, is cost prohibitive. And what the consumer doesn't know, won't hurt him. I know this is hard to "hear" but it is the truth. Perhaps this is why the original D was 9.5" ? Fred M. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Jul 15 07:09:00 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:09:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Opinions on the Nak 600 vs 600 II In-Reply-To: <481B206B0003D89F@mail-2-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> References: <481B206B0003D89F@mail-2-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: Hi Henk! Actually, Nakamichi manufactured more 600-II than the original 600 which came under criticism by some for the lack of a headphone jack. I personally didn't care about that. My guess is the population of working 600-II after all these years is less than that of the 600. Normally you need a distortion meter to set up the IM reduction properly, but you can improvise with only an oscillator, a homemade notch filter and an AC millivoltmeter. The 600's VU meters don't read low enough to be useful for the following method. What you can do is make a notch filter tuned to the test frequency. 1.) Record the test frequency, then 2.) take a reading through the notch filter. 3.) Note the level on the AC millivoltmeter. 4.) Make a small adjustment. Repeat steps 1, 2 and 3. The setting with the lowest level is the optimum, as far as can be obtained with this method. The notch filter removes the test frequency; all that remains is noise and distortion products. Anyone have an idea for better method? On Jul 14, 2008, at 3:08 AM, ScHenk wrote: > Tom, > > Still 7 decks 600 remain in my collection, but only one 600 II. > > The 600 I've heard and listened to for 25 years in very different > circumstances, > but up to now I've not really been listening to the 600 II. Shame. > > The 600 II is rather rare. The first one I bought 2 years ago had > electronic > problems resulting is oscillations. This one is now in repair. I > traded it > recently for an other 600 II which had mechanically sticking pause > button > and idler assembly. Now I've solved these I can give it a listen, > but I will > first check the electronics to see if these are fault free. (I > already cleaned > all connectors, releaving it from meter problems, and need to > excange a > burned light bulp.) > > I expect the mechanism to be the same in both versions. I expect the > electronics > to be likewise, but the adjustements has been made readily in reach > for non-technically > skilled users. The IM distortion suppression has been dumped and the > head > assembly is different. These two facts might have an influence on > the sound. > Kermit reports the 600 has the edge, so this IM suppression thing > may be > beneficial. > > I have NEVER tinkered with the IM suppression adjustments, because I > have > no way of verifying the results but by ear. And I just didn't bother > to much > because for two head designs these machines were already sounding > incredibly > good. I didn't want to risk loosing that. > > Is there a smart way to adjust this IM suppression? (With just a > tone generator > and VU meters at my disposal) > > Happy listening, > Henk Schenk > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >> -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Jul 15 07:21:32 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:21:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The 600, The 1000, And..... In-Reply-To: <891921.67297.qm@web83703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <891921.67297.qm@web83703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <086E72D6-3EBC-4008-A5DE-9B3E16019DD0@kvglabs.com> Hi Jesse! Don't feel badly -- when the 700 was new I saw as many 700s on the test bench as the 250, 350 500, 550, 600, 600-II, and 1000 combined! The 700 was a true bench queen! They usually came in for the same things: loose Dolby PCB, bad internal connectors, head azimuth errors, broken head wires, logic circuit problems, and jammed head door. After the warranty expired, you could CAREFULLY plate the edge card connector traces with solder, creating better contact and greatly improving reliability; adding heavier gauge head wires and a drop of thread locker solved head-problems; and a 5pF disc capacitor across the power supply traces on the logic circuitry PCBs improved erratic logic circuits. There were three things that, as a service tech, you couldn't achieve in the 1970s: get a Revox A77's brakes working perfectly, keep a Uher Report 4000 series running to its published flutter-and-wow spec, and ensure a Nakamichi 700 wouldn't keep coming back for yet more repairs. It's a crying shame, I really love the Nakamichi 700, but honestly, their internal connectors are rubbish. The best upgrade you can do to a 700 is replace its internal connectors with something MIL-spec that will actually work for more than a few weeks. On Jul 13, 2008, at 9:35 AM, jesse ruff wrote: > The 700 is a very awesome deck, but I can second the > notion that they are problematic (as could many others > here). I got one a couple years ago that had been > sitting unused in its box for twenty years or more, > and I've yet to have it working for longer than a > couple months at a time. One of these days I hope to > get it going again, as it is in nearly mint condition > cosmetically from all the non-use. That being said, > I've learned my lesson about buying decks that have > sat around in a box--Naks were clearly created to be > used! > Jesse -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Jul 15 07:25:02 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:25:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The 600, The 1000, And..... In-Reply-To: <17655042.1215903106273.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <17655042.1215903106273.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom, You're so right! I think the Nakamichi heads have lower inductance than other heads of the era, further improving high end response and easing the design of the reproduce EQ circuits. What you've said is why I prefer ribbon microphones to other types, especially for vocals, violins and strings. Ribbon microphones operate above their resonance, while all other microphones types have a point of resonance within their operating range. On Jul 12, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > A typical japanese playback circuit is designed to cost as little as > possible and be easy to build. Most utilize natural head resonance > to "peak" the playback frequency responce, in a maner similar to > magnetic phono cartrdges. Nakamichi's wider bandwidth heads require > less play eq, and the head resonance lies above the pb eq response. > I might be going to far to suggest that Nak Crystalloy is to moving > coil what ferrite (&friends) is to moving magnet. My point though > is that any transducer operating at resonances imposes a telltale > character, whether it is a microphone, woofer, or tape head. Operate > the device away from its resonance, and the sound is preserved. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Jul 15 07:32:20 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:32:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fabric Belts In-Reply-To: <071320081405.19514.487A0BB4000BCC2C00004C3A2216551406CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> References: <071320081405.19514.487A0BB4000BCC2C00004C3A2216551406CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9F05E144-E9D4-43D8-BC72-E0A9A6AECE4C@kvglabs.com> Hi Ray, I bought my Ampex 602, which has a fabric drive belt, in 1976, from a radio station who bought it new in 1965. I still have the recorder, and it has seen almost daily use since it was made. I overhauled it recently and found it still had the original fabric belt, and yet it still met all its specs despite the belt being almost black with dirt, with two holes and three lengthwise rips! I did replace the belt, though, with a new fabric belt. After 43 years, I thought a new belt was a prudent decision. On Jul 13, 2008, at 9:05 AM, rayr0683 at comcast.net wrote: > Graham, > Yes, Fabric belts held their form far better than > plain rubber belts. I know this from repairing older reel to reel > tape decks, like webster, webcor, wilcox-gay, etc.....the fabric > belts would usually never require changing, even after all the years > of use, yet all the rubber belts would either be stretched, brittle, > broken or stiff. Even at the Parts supply house I would go to, > where nearly all repair techs went, it was well known that the > fabric belts rarely needed a replacement. The stock barely moved in > all the Fabric Belts. SO, I would state on my experience, and that > of other techs, I have known, as well as the Parts Supplier, that > Fabric Belts are a completely different animal than ordinary rubber > belts. > > Ray > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Jul 15 07:52:07 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:52:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts In-Reply-To: <02fe01c8e54a$30095e00$901c1a00$@com> References: <9529648.1215955985324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <02e201c8e548$97f745b0$c7e5d110$@freeserve.co.uk> <02fe01c8e54a$30095e00$901c1a00$@com> Message-ID: <23719F59-F3CD-47E5-8590-6CFB82A46888@kvglabs.com> Hi Graham, Don't get me started on Rega. I have a Planar 3, and frankly I have mixed feelings about it. The RB300 arm is one of my favorites, -- representing something close to my ideal tonearm -- but even with the factory belt my Dual 1218, a rim-drive changer, has better flutter-and- wow. Terry Batemen needs to wake up, grab Roy Gandy, and point out to him that the Rega's problems AREN'T low-spec belts -- it's a motor so devoid of torque that a change in atmospheric pressure is enough to stall it -- It breaks out into a pouring sweat in its heroic effort to actually spin an LP while weighted down with the crushing force of a moving coil cartridge tracking at 1 gram! Oh, the humanity! I feel sorry for it as it attempts the Labors of Hercules to turn a 12-inch 45 rpm Reference Recordings EP. Rega has some nerve selling Formica-clad MDF slabs that look like they were crafted by the local kitchen cabinet shop, driven by a motor than can be defeated in a wrestling match by single-celled organisms, for over $800 USD! Yet just as I get in a mood to let my cat pounce the Planar 3, it turns in a performance that is astounding. So, the Rega has a place in my listening room after all is said and done. The Rega Planar 3 is like a beautiful woman who knows she is beautiful, who teases you with promises of bliss, only to have a headache when the moment comes -- and just as you are about to wash your hands of her, she gives you your moment of bliss, but only when she feels like it. In contrast, my Dual 1249 is like that trusted lifelong friend you can count on, who is always there for you, even on your worst days. I always measure flutter-and-wow when I replace belts. I can tell you that I've not been able to measure any worsening with new belts on my 500 and 550, but the flutter-and-wow is worse with new belts on my 600 and 600-II. Fortunately, I've been able to keep my Dual 1249 running close enough to spec with the best of the bests sold today. On Jul 13, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > > Tom, David, Andy, et al, > > Guess what? Terry Bateman at Rega tells me they have had problems > in the past with O rings used as belts from some "less than exacting > suppliers" causing both speed and ... inconsistent w/f. TB says TT > belts warm up when the TT is in use and, when warm, those particular > belts lost tension. Being aware of the heat issue with TT belts, > Rega use bespoke made Dunlop belts that are "inherently temperature > stable" (quoting TB) for their top TTs (P7 & P9). So, if it is the > case that a belt on a TT can warm up and misbehave, it must surely > be possible for a cassette deck belt to warm up even more given it's > sat in a small oven of warm electrical components, and it too > misbehave. Right? But ... > > ... You'd think that Nakamichi would have been no less demanding of > their belts as Rega are for their Dunlop ones, especially for their > better decks ... probably for the same reason as Rega. But we know > that, in the latter dying days of cassette deck production, > Nakamichi let standards slip in many areas for the sake of keeping > manufacturing costs down. This being so, it would not be surprising > if they also let slip the quality of material used for making their > belts nor be so strict in demanding the highest quality control to > meet their specifications. In this case, a manufacturer left on a > slack leash might well have produced belts of variable quality, some > good and some not so good, which Nakamichi may have been prepared to > accept when the end of cassette deck manufacturing was in sight. > Possible? Likely even? I mean, what would they have to lose given > they didn't intend to produce any more cassette decks? It's not as > if they'd have a reputation for making the highe! > st quality cassette decks to hold up. And besides, how many owners > of, say, a DR2 would even notice the w/f was less than perfect? It's > only guys with w/f measuring kit who'll notice, and then mostly > because they can measure the effect rather than hear it. > > Back to the issue of Andy's curious measurements: Now, given that > Fred was supplied with a Nak specified belt that proved slightly too > large, not to Nak spec even though he'd asked for it to be to their > spec, and he's had to bring the maker back in line to produce the > belt to the exact size, might this suggest his manufacturer could > have been a "less than exacting supplier" for Nakamichi just as it > seems to have been for Fred? It might explain the differences that > Andy has measured compared with those of Tom and others. > > Just a thought ... or rather, a few! I'll let you know when I get > back all the other comments, assuming I do get them. > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From lenaw at flash.net Mon Jul 14 19:59:42 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: The 600, The 1000, And..... In-Reply-To: <481B206B0003D818@mail-2-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <623712.95858.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, I agree as I also enjoy the sound of my 700 as well even though I don't use it that much nowaday. It also develops an intermittant on one channel as well so somedays I have to start cleaning up all those connectors as well. Also the 700 has a look of a modern industrial design. The 700 is the first Nak that I saw and also the first one that I bought even those it was 20 years after its introduction. I never forget the 700 when I first saw it is 1975. Mike ScHenk wrote: Andy, I concur with your possitive reactions to the 700 (700 II). The 700 is effectively comparable with the 1000 and sounds likewise. The PC boards are differently layed out as is the mechanism. This impaires maintenance, but the circuitry is (as far as I can tell) soundwise the same. Dolby is indeed good. The 1000's and 700's I treasure the most of all my decks. The sound has a rightness that is lacking by most, if not all other decks (Naks and non - Naks). If you try and compare decks as you did you can be astounded just how good the 1000 and 700 are reproducing music while the others are mimicking music. Enjoy the 700 Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:43:01 +0000 >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Subject: [naktalk] The 600, The 1000, And..... >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: > <071220081243.13881.4878A6D50007D5700000363922165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908 at comcast.net> > > > >....What about the 700 and 700 II? > >A while back, I scored a 700 Tri-Tracer on eBay for very low money (just >over $50). The auction ended low because the seller had a very fuzzy photo >and only a sentence or two for the description. It looked and felt like >an auction for a dud, but I bid anyway, not expecting to win. > >To my surprise, when the deck arrived it was actually in very respectable >cosmetic condition and was fully functional with the exception of an occasional >drop-out in the right channel. A thorough cleaning of all the spade connectors >soon fixed that. > >I have been enjoying Kermit's discussions of the merits of the 600 and 1000, >but based on my experience with this "pleasant surprise" I got from eBay, >I must put in a good word for the 700. > >I really love the sound of this 700. I don't use it that often, but whenever >I do, I am continually reminded at how surprisingly good it sounds. Incredible >warmth and a very balanced sound--the highs and lows are not "hot rodded" >like more modern decks, just like Kermit described (I like that description!). > >It also has the best sounding Dolby B of all of my decks, thanks to a fully >discrete design. > >I recently repaired a customer's very high-end deck that was not a Nakamichi. > The deck sounded fine, but I did sense something lacking in the sound that >I couldn't put my finger on. I decided to do a head-to-head comparison against >one of my Nak decks, and for some reason I chose the 700. To put it bluntly, >the 700 simply destroyed the other deck. There was NO comparison at all; >the Nakamichi was clearly superior in every way. The detail that I thought >I heard in the other deck sounded like mud compared to the detail coming >out of the 700. Bass was far better defined and the treble sounded beautifully >natural instead of artificial. Listening to the non-Nak deck was like seeing >a picture on a really good standard TV set; listening to the 700 in comparison >was like seeing that same picture on a 1080p high-definition flatscreen.... > You think you are getting good results until you experience a unit that >gives you truly excellent results. > > >*andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Mon Jul 14 21:36:39 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts In-Reply-To: <487B806B.20009@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <563902.52214.qm@web50509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Of course you start out with design goals. Do you want to build a deck that a tank can run over, or do you want to build a deck the meets very high record/playback specifications? I think we all know what Nakamichi decided was important. Another thing to note is how long these original belts have lasted. My classic decks are still using a belt that hasn't been made in years. That's one hell of a belt! Finally I have a 670zx that needs a new belt. I'm sure Nakamichi didn't just find it off the shelf. They had parameters that needed to be met and had the belt manufactured to spec. If only we knew what that was and someone who could meet it. Also note that Robust design pioneered by Taguchi, starting in th 60s, has the effect of robust quality, faster implementation time, and reduced cost, so just because you want to reduce cost doesn't mean quality has to go in the toilet (though that is one way to do it). David From jochi at qwest.net Mon Jul 14 22:37:39 2008 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jon Ochi) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:37:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 In-Reply-To: <6EAE7922-C6B1-4D4E-91D2-D5F99C181498@kvglabs.com> References: <20080710201055.MJAM2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> <6EAE7922-C6B1-4D4E-91D2-D5F99C181498@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <22EFD7C7-242B-4A1D-AC69-EB61ACA747FA@qwest.net> Kermit, You indicated that "Cheap ferric tapes" will wear out Nak 600 heads. Does that mean any Type I (ferric) tape in the sense that they are cheaper than Type II tapes? Or are you saying that reputable Type I tapes made by companies like TDK and Maxell are okay as contrasted with cheaper Type I tapes made by less reputable companies? In other words, would your advice be to NOT use ANY Type I tape? The reason I ask is that Type I tape is still readily available and to tell the truth I quite like the sound of both TDK and Maxell Type I tapes. Thanks for any comments from your real world experience is always gratefully appreciated. Jon Ochi On Jul 11, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Roland, > > Ask anyone -- they'll tell you that my favorite Nakamichi is the > 600 and 600-II! Why? well, in all candor, I think they got the > sound just right. The 600 and 600-II sound like a studio reel-to- > reel and do not have that "cassette deck sound" if you follow what > I'm alluding to. They're surprisingly reliable, and even well-worn > machines can be cajoled into sounding like-new. They're natural and > detailed sounding, with a good balance of subtle flattery and > neutrality. They lack that hot-rodded bass and treble that > characterizes many high-end cassettes, and of course aren't dull > and closed in sounding like many other cassettes. The first time I > heard one I had to have one because it sounded exactly the way I > wanted a magnetic recorder to sound. Of course, they aren't > perfect: bass below 25 cps lacks definition, and some listeners > feel the top end isn't "airy" but I like the top end as it is -- > natural without exaggerated airiness. > > The 1000 is even better, but not dramatically so. Its top end is > airier, and bass below 25 cps is definitely better-defined. The 100 > series machines can go so low they'll record record warp with > perfect tightness and detail! > > In the 1970s, I could have bought a 1000 instead of a 600. I chose > the 600 because I knew from experience servicing Nakamichis that > keeping a 1000 running is troublesome -- they have many more PC > Board edge card connectors and microswitches that can corrode or > develop loose contacts. Yes, the 1000 sounds better, but the sound > of the two were close enough for me. The greater reliability of the > 600 was a compelling issue for me. It has only been the past two or > three years that I've experienced trouble with my 600s despite > almost daily use for about the first twenty years that I owned my > 600 and 600-II machines. > > On Jul 10, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Roland wrote: > >> I see the 600 pops up rather frequently and I was just curious if >> anyone here owns one and do they have an opinion? >> >> I know it's a two head deck but I just find the look rather >> interesting in that it has the studio console look. I also see >> the 1000 and 1000 II show up frequently. >> >> Is the 1000 a costly machine to own? Meaning, is it a troublesome >> or finicky machine to own as far as staying in spec? >> >> I'm really just looking for opinions of those who own the 600 or >> the 1000. >> >> Roland > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue Jul 15 00:33:28 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:33:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] calibration cassettes Message-ID: I have recently acquired a Studer A-80 QCR. Full track recorder. Currently I am creating 15KHz azimuth, 400Hz level, 15KHz level cassettes. Anyone interested in testing a cassette or two? They are high bias BASF reference tapes. So far I have verified the levels with the Nakamichi tapes I have. The process is very time consuming. They are recorded in real time out of the shell. If there is a demand for it, I may produce them as needed. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 15 00:59:13 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:59:13 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] I have a re-calibated Dragon, new belts and gone through by Tom Brucker... Message-ID: <7420562.1216076353016.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 15 01:04:07 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:04:07 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] The 600, The 1000, And..... Message-ID: <6840349.1216076647738.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Jesse, Buy a belt kit and have them installed, and retension all the connectors. The deck will then work for years. With 5 belts and 4 tires rubber problems are constant unless you change them all. Otherwise the deck is solid. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: jesse ruff >Sent: Jul 13, 2008 9:35 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 600, The 1000, And..... > >The 700 is a very awesome deck, but I can second the >notion that they are problematic (as could many others >here). I got one a couple years ago that had been >sitting unused in its box for twenty years or more, >and I've yet to have it working for longer than a >couple months at a time. One of these days I hope to >get it going again, as it is in nearly mint condition >cosmetically from all the non-use. That being said, >I've learned my lesson about buying decks that have >sat around in a box--Naks were clearly created to be >used! >Jesse >--- Kermit Gray wrote: > >> Hi Andy, >> >> I didn't mean to slight the wonderful 700 and >> 700-II. They're >> wonderful recorders, to my ears so close to the 1000 >> as to be nearly >> identical, although the 1000 is better. I found it >> amusing to listen >> to audiophiles and engineers argue the merits of the >> 700 versus the >> 1000 because both are so excellent that you're >> arguing about the >> difference between fabulous and fabulous. The 700 >> can be laid down >> flat, stood upright, or rack mounted. I always >> enjoyed the quirky >> sideways-loading cassette door. Of the "Big Three" >> 1970s Nakamichis, >> the 600, 700 and 1000; I always found the 700 to be >> the most prone to >> problems caused by internal connectors. >> >> I must admit, to my ears, the cassette format >> reached its zenith with >> the 500, 600 series, 700 series and 1000 series. >> Nakamichi got the >> sound just right. Those decks were so natural >> sounding you forgot you >> were listening to a cassette, I've made master tapes >> that subsequently >> became good sounding LPs and bulk-duplicated >> cassettes with Nakamichi >> 550, 600, 600-II, 1000, 100-II and 1000ZXL >> recorders. Part of me would >> be a bit worried the client would discover that a >> cassette deck made >> their master tape! Fun! >> >> In the mid-to-late 1970s, your studio was judged by >> your Nakamichi. It >> was taken for granted if you were a pro, you had a >> Nakamichi. A 600 >> said to the client that you were properly equipped >> but lower budget. A >> 700 said you did work for FM radio, or were >> "up-and-coming." A 1000 >> said you'd "arrived." The presence of a cassette >> deck other than >> Nakamichi said to the client that they were in the >> wrong place! >> >> The 700 developed, accidentally, a nefarious >> reputation in radio >> broadcasting circles. They were popular in FM >> stations because it was >> found that the design of the loading door made it >> very easy to hide >> small bags of heroin or cocaine inside the deck. You >> could open the >> cassette door, and easily reach in and grab your >> prize. Thus, for a >> few years, the Nakamichi 700 became a popular "dead >> drop" for the >> delivery of illegal drugs to radio DJs. Remember the >> radio payola >> scandals of the 1970s? The Nakamichi 700 unwillingly >> played its part! >> I guess that's why I never considered buying a 700; >> I didn't want to >> be viewed with suspicion. Everyone knew I didn't do >> drugs. (Although >> many of my friends did. They also knew I was a >> stand-up guy who >> wouldn't narc on them). I wanted to keep it that way >> -- I figured my >> health was bad enough as it was, why pay to wreck it >> further? Besides, >> I wanted to spend money on music and audio >> equipment! Now, all these >> years later, I wish I'd have bought one! >> >> Just a weird piece of audio history. >> >> On Jul 12, 2008, at 7:43 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net >> wrote: >> >> > >> > ....What about the 700 and 700 II? >> > >> > A while back, I scored a 700 Tri-Tracer on eBay >> for very low money >> > (just over $50). The auction ended low because >> the seller had a >> > very fuzzy photo and only a sentence or two for >> the description. It >> > looked and felt like an auction for a dud, but I >> bid anyway, not >> > expecting to win. >> > >> > To my surprise, when the deck arrived it was >> actually in very >> > respectable cosmetic condition and was fully >> functional with the >> > exception of an occasional drop-out in the right >> channel. A >> > thorough cleaning of all the spade connectors soon >> fixed that. >> > >> > I have been enjoying Kermit's discussions of the >> merits of the 600 >> > and 1000, but based on my experience with this >> "pleasant surprise" I >> > got from eBay, I must put in a good word for the >> 700. >> > >> > I really love the sound of this 700. I don't use >> it that often, but >> > whenever I do, I am continually reminded at how >> surprisingly good it >> > sounds. Incredible warmth and a very balanced >> sound--the highs and >> > lows are not "hot rodded" like more modern decks, >> just like Kermit >> > described (I like that description!). >> > >> > It also has the best sounding Dolby B of all of my >> decks, thanks to >> > a fully discrete design. >> > >> > I recently repaired a customer's very high-end >> deck that was not a >> > Nakamichi. The deck sounded fine, but I did sense >> something lacking >> > in the sound that I couldn't put my finger on. I >> decided to do a >> > head-to-head comparison against one of my Nak >> decks, and for some >> > reason I chose the 700. To put it bluntly, the >> 700 simply destroyed >> > the other deck. There was NO comparison at all; >> the Nakamichi was >> > clearly superior in every way. The detail that I >> thought I heard in >> > the other deck sounded like mud compared to the >> detail coming out of >> > the 700. Bass was far better defined and the >> treble sounded >> > beautifully natural instead of artificial. >> Listening to the non-Nak >> > deck was like seeing a picture on a really good >> standard TV set; >> > listening to the 700 in comparison was like seeing >> that same picture >> > on a 1080p high-definition flatscreen.... You >> think you are >> > getting good results until you experience a unit >> that gives you >> > truly excellent results. >> >> >> -- Kermit Gray >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >> Skype ID: triodelicacy >> >> >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 15 01:10:37 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:10:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts Message-ID: <28078922.1216077037627.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kulak at ozemail.com.au Tue Jul 15 03:22:28 2008 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:22:28 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 DAT & DAC1000P Message-ID: <788D0DD6E1B645CF9DB673407CCB9ECE@corp.halex.com.au> Hi, Does anyone remember seeing the photos included in this listing previously? http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-1000-DAT-1000P-D-A-Processor-Collector-Item_W0QQitemZ260262744892QQihZ016QQcategoryZ14978QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Were they not included in a scam listing some months ago? You know what they say, if it's too good to be true, then it probably is. Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Tue Jul 15 04:14:07 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts In-Reply-To: <087201c8e616$1bb62510$53226f30$@com> Message-ID: <834160.72310.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> How do I know this is the same company that made belts for Nakamichi, and if no one can give the specs for the belt to meet, why would it even matter? Let's just wait for the next run of belts and see how they do. Maybe they will work out fine. Thanks, David --- On Mon, 7/14/08, Graham A Nelson wrote: > From: Graham A Nelson > Subject: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts > To: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk, "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 5:59 PM > Exactly, Fred. We don't know if they slipped their > standards on the rubber > composition or quality control of the belts. If rubber > composition, that > could explain why the belt Andy has behaved as it did. If > slipping of > standards, that would explain why an ex-manufacturer of > belts for Nakamichi > told Fred he could make more belts to the Nak standard that > turned out too > big. In other words, the seemingly non-standard belt Fred > got from the > factory may have been to a Nak standard, not the Nak > standard. > > > > The fact that the final special run of "original" > belts Nakamichi had made > for ESL (and others?) behave impeccably is a red herring > because they were > not produced by at the factory where the D belt was > manufactured. They were > made elsewhere. Moreover, they were not made to fit a > cost because those > belts always were going to become a premium priced product. > So they had to > be good. > > > > This is not to say the D belt was not produced to the Nak > standard, but it > may have been consistent with a Nak standard, to have a > belt made down to a > cost - in other words, they may have been cutting corners. > And "in other > words" again, while the D belts were the > "wrong" size they may still have > been "right" if they were within a greater > tolerance of error agreed with > Nakamichi at the time that factory was making belts for > them. So, when they > made the belts for Fred, saying they were identical to > those they made for > Nakamichi, perhaps they were! We don't know but we may > reasonably suspect > they did drop their standards, at least for a while. After > all, Nakamichi > cut corners elsewhere, especially with the final range of > cassette decks. > So, why not the belts, too? The cassette deck market was > collapsing when > they brought out that last range - indeed, it was a > surprise that they did > launch them when they did because they had previously > announced (in the UK > at least) they had already stopped cassette deck > production, when they > announced a last (DR?) limited range. But most agree were > rebadged and > lower build quality versions of previous designs. They > made those decks to > squeeze the last Cent out of the market, and to keep the > costs down, to sell > enough units to make a profit, they would have had to > manufacture to a lower > cost because the cost of materials was higher than before > and they were also > being squeezed by competition from alternative > technologies. So, to sell > those decks and still make money they had to build them > down to a price, and > they'd have considered every part in the deck for > saving costs, even the > belts. We don't know for sure that they did shave the > standards off the > belts but I'd have though the belts would have been an > easy choice because > black belts all look the same even when they are not. I > mean, who would > know the difference . except a bunch of us Nak geeks > bothered enough to > measure them!!!??? > > > > Moreover, given the D production run was more of a favour > to Fred than a > commercial venture for the factory, I would also suggest > they might have cut > a few corners and compounded any "lower" standard > by being less rigorous > with their quality control So, the belt Andy got might > well have been a bit > different to those the others received. (You could always > swap belts with > each other and check the other's measurement.) > > > > Therefore, I believe it would be wrong to assume, let alone > imply, that Andy > got his measurements wrong because there is a possible, > dare I say a > plausible, alternative explanation for the variance of > measurements. > > > > So far, I've only received one more comment from > outside out circle in > addition to that from Rega, this one being from Studio > Sound Electronics. I > asked them, "When testing for w&f, have you ever > notice if measurements > change once the unit, or belt, has warmed up?" > > They replied, "Motors, bearings, etc (including > belts), can all change > characteristics as they warm up, creating either an > improvement or > degradation of wow and flutter. In general, I would > expect the performance > to get better as the unit warms up. " (Frank Fendley) > > > > > In other words, they would have predicted Andy's > results, not those of the > others. > > > > > Graham > > From: Marrs Communications > [mailto:marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com] > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:36 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts > > > > Hello, I am glad this topic has come up. . My point is: We > just have to face > 1 very important fact. Nakamichi manufactured the absolute > best consumer > machines money could buy BUT, there were compromises. Their > dependability > was not that great but, when "they worked" they > were the utopia. > > Coming from the manufacturing industry, I know without a > doubt "some" > corners are cut with the thought in mind, the consumer will > never know. I do > not know this for a fact but I would bet, not every machine > coming off of > the line was checked "to meet specifications". > Doing everything perfectly > right, is cost prohibitive. And what the consumer > doesn't know, won't hurt > him. I know this is hard to "hear" but it is the > truth. Perhaps this is why > the original D was 9.5" ? Fred > M.========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Jul 15 09:35:58 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:35:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT - Rega belts In-Reply-To: <23719F59-F3CD-47E5-8590-6CFB82A46888@kvglabs.com> References: <9529648.1215955985324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <02e201c8e548$97f745b0$c7e5d110$@freeserve.co.uk> <02fe01c8e54a$30095e00$901c1a00$@com> <23719F59-F3CD-47E5-8590-6CFB82A46888@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <097401c8e64d$6dc386e0$494a94a0$@com> Hi Kermit Do I take it you don't like Rega, then? LOL! But seriously, I've known Terry for some time now. He's a straight up guy .... you'd like him, even if some of Roy Gandy's record decks do seem (ahem!) over priced kitchen doors minus hinges (yeah, I agree with you.) But then, Terry is generally the guy who designs their CD players , and if he says a bunch of bad belts gave w&f problems, which were solved by getting better quality belts then I'll believe him. ;o) (I also agree with you about the RB300 arm. I've got an Origin Live super-charged one, not that I've used it since I fixed a Music Maker III cartridge to my Lenco GL78.) Gra' Graham Nelson -----Original Message----- From: Kermit Gray [mailto:notarbene at kvglabs.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 6:52 AM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts Hi Graham, Don't get me started on Rega. I have a Planar 3, and frankly I have mixed feelings about it. The RB300 arm is one of my favorites, -- representing something close to my ideal tonearm -- but even with the factory belt my Dual 1218, a rim-drive changer, has better flutter-and- wow. Terry Batemen needs to wake up, grab Roy Gandy, and point out to him that the Rega's problems AREN'T low-spec belts -- it's a motor so devoid of torque that a change in atmospheric pressure is enough to stall it -- It breaks out into a pouring sweat in its heroic effort to actually spin an LP while weighted down with the crushing force of a moving coil cartridge tracking at 1 gram! Oh, the humanity! I feel sorry for it as it attempts the Labors of Hercules to turn a 12-inch 45 rpm Reference Recordings EP. Rega has some nerve selling Formica-clad MDF slabs that look like they were crafted by the local kitchen cabinet shop, driven by a motor than can be defeated in a wrestling match by single-celled organisms, for over $800 USD! Yet just as I get in a mood to let my cat pounce the Planar 3, it turns in a performance that is astounding. So, the Rega has a place in my listening room after all is said and done. The Rega Planar 3 is like a beautiful woman who knows she is beautiful, who teases you with promises of bliss, only to have a headache when the moment comes -- and just as you are about to wash your hands of her, she gives you your moment of bliss, but only when she feels like it. In contrast, my Dual 1249 is like that trusted lifelong friend you can count on, who is always there for you, even on your worst days. I always measure flutter-and-wow when I replace belts. I can tell you that I've not been able to measure any worsening with new belts on my 500 and 550, but the flutter-and-wow is worse with new belts on my 600 and 600-II. Fortunately, I've been able to keep my Dual 1249 running close enough to spec with the best of the bests sold today. From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Jul 15 10:13:03 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:13:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts In-Reply-To: <834160.72310.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <087201c8e616$1bb62510$53226f30$@com> <834160.72310.qm@web50505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <098e01c8e652$9bde4100$d39ac300$@com> Well, I think it matters (to me at least) that our non-tech Nak brothers should see there is more than one explanation for why Andy's measurements are at variance with the others. Nuff said! Cheers Gra' Graham Nelson -----Original Message----- From: fripp_em [mailto:fripp_em at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:14 AM To: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'; grahamanelson at googlemail.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts ... why would it even matter? Thanks, David From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Jul 15 16:22:00 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:22:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Was Nakamichi always The Best Quality? In-Reply-To: <563902.52214.qm@web50509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <487B806B.20009@marrscommunications.com> <563902.52214.qm@web50509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0b4301c8e686$26c35200$7449f600$@com> David You assume that high quality was *always* Nakamichi's aim. I disagree. Perhaps it was at the beginning but I believe that changed as the market place became more competitive and crowed with good rival decks. Evidently the top Nak range of decks were steadily built to a decreasing standard - cheaper materials, cheaper transport (remember they dropped the Nak transport in favour of the less robust Sankyo mechanism, even in the CR7), etc, etc, just as just about every other maker was doing (with the exception of ReVox?) As I said earlier, I think this was because the market became more competitive, especially when mini disk arrived, effectively killing the market for high quality cassette decks. Ask yourself, ask those with the really old and new Nak decks - were the later models better where it really mattered? I've heard members say the ZXL range could make music like many a reel to reel machine. I've even heard that said of the more modest ZX7/9s. But I've never heard anyone offer that high compliment about any Nak decks that followed them, not even the highly respected CR7. Even the CR7 appears to have been designed to a price. At the end, there were several decks that could give the final Nak DR range a good run for the money and even beat them in some technical areas. For example, the Arcam, which was built because the Boss was a huge fan of Nakamichi and wanted the challenge of making a deck as as good. This deck could just about match the DR1 in all areas except w/f, but then it could trounce even the CR7 with its s/n spec. The CR7 spec for s/n with Dolby B on was at least 66dB, if the brochure is correct; the Arcam could do that with Dolby off. And with Dolby S on it could do 88dB. But did those rivals match the sound quality? It's a subjective judgement but, in my opinion, as a one-time owner of a CR7 and the Arcam (which I still have) you'd barely slide a piece of candy paper between them in sound quality. Sure, the difference in reproducing piano is subtly different (because of the superior w/f performance of the CR7) but otherwise, they sounded to me so alike I don't think anyone except one with the finest trained ears could tell the difference in a blind test. But you would if you ran your fingers over them - the outer build of the Arcam feels as if it's a superior product to my touch (and it's a sensitive touch - just ask my wife!) So, as the market shrank and profits with them, so did the quality of Nak products. Therefore, is it not reasonable to suspect all component parts would have been considered for manufacturing down to a price, including belts. (Of course, we don't know if they did produce lower quality belts but it is surely reasonable to believe they may well have done so, even if the special "ESL" last run was of a very high quality exception, which you'd have expected given they'd have realised they would be sold as a premium priced product.) So IMO, I feel Nakamichi lost their edge at the end. Gra' Graham Nelson -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of fripp_em Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 8:37 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Warming of belts Of course you start out with design goals. Do you want to build a deck that a tank can run over, or do you want to build a deck the meets very high record/playback specifications? I think we all know what Nakamichi decided was important. Another thing to note is how long these original belts have lasted. My classic decks are still using a belt that hasn't been made in years. That's one hell of a belt! Finally I have a 670zx that needs a new belt. I'm sure Nakamichi didn't just find it off the shelf. They had parameters that needed to be met and had the belt manufactured to spec. If only we knew what that was and someone who could meet it. Also note that Robust design pioneered by Taguchi, starting in th 60s, has the effect of robust quality, faster implementation time, and reduced cost, so just because you want to reduce cost doesn't mean quality has to go in the toilet (though that is one way to do it). David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Jul 15 20:35:57 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:35:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 In-Reply-To: <22EFD7C7-242B-4A1D-AC69-EB61ACA747FA@qwest.net> References: <20080710201055.MJAM2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> <6EAE7922-C6B1-4D4E-91D2-D5F99C181498@kvglabs.com> <22EFD7C7-242B-4A1D-AC69-EB61ACA747FA@qwest.net> Message-ID: <31FE01E6-3822-413E-B211-0CC69027F486@kvglabs.com> Hi Jon, Ferric (Type I) tapes themselves are fine, it is the quality of the tape itself that matters. Poor quality tapes have poorly polished and calendered oxide surfaces, making the tape the equivalent of 000 grit sand paper. With the comment about cheap ferric tapes, I'm referring specifically to those truly junk-quality "voice" or "voice letter" cassette blanks like "Longines Symphonette," "M-Tracs" or "Certron." You remember these? They were sold in shrink-wrapped 3-packs for only 99-cents or less for the three pack, and the tapes didn't even have cases. The same can be said for the famous counterfeit blanks like "Maxwell," "Demon," "Amex," "TKK," or "Sonny." I'd also avoid modern junk brands like Recoton and the plethora of non-name blank cassettes sold on eBay -- often listed as something like "100 Audio Cassette 90 / 92 min Minute Tape Blank Music." Finally, I'd avoid Memorex -- it even looks rough to the unaided eye and I never had the nerve to run it in my recorders. 3M AVX, Scotch Dynarange, TDK D, Maxell UR, UD-XL I, XL I, Fuji DR-1, Denon DX-1, and Sony HF are fine because these are quality tapes. Keeping the heads clean are the most important thing you can do to prolong head life. On Jul 14, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Jon Ochi wrote: > Kermit, > > You indicated that "Cheap ferric tapes" will wear out Nak 600 > heads. Does that mean any Type I (ferric) tape in the sense that > they are cheaper than Type II tapes? Or are you saying that > reputable Type I tapes made by companies like TDK and Maxell are > okay as contrasted with cheaper Type I tapes made by less reputable > companies? > > In other words, would your advice be to NOT use ANY Type I tape? > The reason I ask is that Type I tape is still readily available and > to tell the truth I quite like the sound of both TDK and Maxell Type > I tapes. > > Thanks for any comments from your real world experience is always > gratefully appreciated. >> -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Jul 15 21:05:27 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:05:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Slightly OT - Rega belts In-Reply-To: <097401c8e64d$6dc386e0$494a94a0$@com> References: <9529648.1215955985324.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <02e201c8e548$97f745b0$c7e5d110$@freeserve.co.uk> <02fe01c8e54a$30095e00$901c1a00$@com> <23719F59-F3CD-47E5-8590-6CFB82A46888@kvglabs.com> <097401c8e64d$6dc386e0$494a94a0$@com> Message-ID: <95B89ADC-57BC-4407-A080-3C0EFFEF7C41@kvglabs.com> Well, actually, Graham, I do like the Rega, but it frustrates me at the same time. I bought a Rega Planar 3 in 1986, but sold it in 1997 after suffering a stroke. At the time I didn't think I'd ever be able to use a turntable again and the sight of it sitting unused for months was depressing. Last year, a dear friend took pity on me and got me another Planar 3, so I have one again. I'm grateful beyond words, and for certain records it sounds wonderful, despite the horrible limitations. Over the years, I've recovered enough that I can use my turntables again. I will admit I listen to my turntables for two reasons -- the pleasur eof merely being able to work them and the fact that much of my music is only available on LP. In 1980, I had a concept for a minimalist turntable -- this was the era of minimalism, if you recall -- and was contemplating building it. It would have been nothing more than a plinth made from a piece of solid Ironwood sourced from the Sonoran Desert, with a small Bodine AC synchronous motor running a belt (in a pulley with a square sheave) driving a subplatter milled from solid aircraft-grade aluminum with three steps, one each for 78 rpm, 45 rpm and 33-1/3 rpm. Atop the subplatter would have been a 2-inch thick water-clear Lucite platter topped by a broadcast turntable-style felt mat. Speed change would have meant removing the platter and moving the belt by hand. It would have had no suspension, just three hard rubber legs. The tonearm would have been the customer's cholice of the MicroTrak, Rek-o-Kut Micropoise, Grace, infinity Black Widow, or the SME. Cost would have been $1,000 USD in 1980, so I looked at my creation, laughed at myself, and didn't proceed with the design. You can see why I was attracted to the Rega, because it was so like my previous concept. But, I think Rega made a serious mistake choosing such a low-torque motor. Their products could truly achieve greatness if they had a more- powerful motor and if the belt didn't slip -- Rega belts have too little contact area to run without excess slippage, I feel. By the way, I want a Lenco L75 to play my 78-rpm records so badly I can taste it! No, I have no plans to build my turntable. Why? Let me be candid -- I've recorded master tapes that became LPs, then later heard the LP and didn't recognize the recording as one I made! I'm so aware of the huge quality losses that occur going from master tape to LP that even though I "enjoy" LPs, its more of the fact that CDs sound worse than LPs, not that LPs sound so good to me. The CD was such a disappointment! Also, keep in mind that I learned recording at a time that the recording industry was looking for something better than LPs. We regarded the LP as something you have to put up with to sell product and make money. You can see this bias in my taste of cartridges: Stanton 681, 800, 881; Ortofon VMS-30, and Shure V-15 Type III (once- popular record cutter check cartridges); Denon DL-130, Stanton 500, 600, 681, AKG P5ED, P7E; and Shure M95ED, SC35 (once-popular broadcast cartridges); and the Klipsch MCZ-2, which as Paul Klipsch's pet project, a reproduction of the famous Westrex 45/45 moving coil cartridge. So, I've never been willing to buy high-end cartridges or turntables, but I've had several friends pushing me to do try some, if notihng else to experience what I've been missing. I'm slowly coming around to the notion. On Jul 15, 2008, at 2:35 AM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > Hi Kermit > > Do I take it you don't like Rega, then? LOL! > > But seriously, I've known Terry for some time now. He's a straight > up guy > .... you'd like him, even if some of Roy Gandy's record decks do seem > (ahem!) over priced kitchen doors minus hinges (yeah, I agree with > you.) But > then, Terry is generally the guy who designs their CD players , and > if he > says a bunch of bad belts gave w&f problems, which were solved by > getting > better quality belts then I'll believe him. ;o) > > (I also agree with you about the RB300 arm. I've got an Origin Live > super-charged one, not that I've used it since I fixed a Music Maker > III > cartridge to my Lenco GL78.) > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Jul 15 23:47:50 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:47:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Fabric Belts In-Reply-To: <071320081405.19514.487A0BB4000BCC2C00004C3A2216551406CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> References: <071320081405.19514.487A0BB4000BCC2C00004C3A2216551406CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0d9201c8e6c4$6f0de820$4d29b860$@com> Hmmm ... don't it just make ya think we ought to be looking at having fabric belts made for our Naks??! How about it, Fred?! Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of rayr0683 at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fabric Belts Graham, Yes, Fabric belts held their form far better than plain rubber belts. I know this from repairing older reel to reel tape decks, like webster, webcor, wilcox-gay, etc.....the fabric belts would usually never require changing, even after all the years of use, yet all the rubber belts would either be stretched, brittle, broken or stiff. Even at the Parts supply house I would go to, where nearly all repair techs went, it was well known that the fabric belts rarely needed a replacement. The stock barely moved in all the Fabric Belts. SO, I would state on my experience, and that of other techs, I have known, as well as the Parts Supplier, that Fabric Belts are a completely different animal than ordinary rubber belts. Ray From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Jul 16 01:51:31 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:51:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fabric Belts In-Reply-To: <0d9201c8e6c4$6f0de820$4d29b860$@com> References: <071320081405.19514.487A0BB4000BCC2C00004C3A2216551406CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> <0d9201c8e6c4$6f0de820$4d29b860$@com> Message-ID: <518DF46E-6E06-499E-8EB9-BF5BB7382E02@kvglabs.com> Bad news, Graham. Fabric belts wouldn't work for a cassette deck. Fabric belts have to work under high tension and thus demand more out of the drive motor than rubber belts. Also, fabric belts don't provide the isolation from vibration that elastomer (rubber, nitrile, pyrathane, et cetera) belts do. An Ampex 602 is a broadcast reel-to-reel built into a suitcase, driven by a 1/4-horsepower Redmond, 120 VAC/60 Hz synchronous electric motor having high torque, running at about 1500 rpm, producing many foot- pounds of torque, if I remember the speed ratings correctly. The motor is bigger than those found in 20-inch oscillating electric fans! I doubt anyone short of a world class athlete can stall an Ampex 602's motor by gripping its shaft with their hands and trying to stop it. I can't, that's for sure. The 602's motor-and-belt system has to turn two heavy flywheels, a brass one on the motor and a large one on the capstan; plus drive large idler wheels that propel the reel turntables. The fabric belt also has a tension roller that presses against it on a spring loaded arm, at about 2 pounds of force. The tape mechanism is very rugged but also very inefficient, wasting quite a bit of the motors power through the heavy weights and mechanical resistances inherent to it. The 602 is legendary for the vibration its motor produces -- you can feel the vibration transmit through a table and you do not dare place a microphone or a turntable on the same furniture that a 602 is running on. The only reason it has good flutter-and-wow performance is because of the mass of its two flywheels and the sheer overwhelming power of its motor. Ampex quite literally took a brute force approach to the 602's tape drive. In contrast, a Nakamichi cassette deck is typically driven by a small DC motor capable of producing only a few ounces of torque. You can stall a Nakamichi deck's motor by gripping its shaft between your fingers and squeezing hard. If you could fit a fabric belt to a Nakamichi, my expectation is that fluter-and-wow would suffer because of the higher belt tension, and that the transport would vibrate the cassette tape audibly during play. On Jul 15, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > Hmmm ... don't it just make ya think we ought to be looking at > having fabric > belts made for our Naks??! How about it, Fred?! > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of rayr0683 at comcast.net > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:06 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Fabric Belts > > Graham, > Yes, Fabric belts held their form far better than plain > rubber belts. I know this from repairing older reel to reel tape > decks, > like webster, webcor, wilcox-gay, etc.....the fabric belts would > usually > never require changing, even after all the years of use, yet all the > rubber > belts would either be stretched, brittle, broken or stiff. Even at > the > Parts supply house I would go to, where nearly all repair techs > went, it was > well known that the fabric belts rarely needed a replacement. The > stock > barely moved in all the Fabric Belts. SO, I would state on my > experience, > and that of other techs, I have known, as well as the Parts > Supplier, that > Fabric Belts are a completely different animal than ordinary rubber > belts. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jul 15 14:31:19 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:31:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] The 600, The 1000, And..... Message-ID: <071520081231.548.487C9897000DFC2F0000022422155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Kermit wrote: "The 700 developed, accidentally, a nefarious reputation in radio broadcasting circles. They were popular in FM stations because it was found that the design of the loading door made it very easy to hide small bags of heroin or cocaine inside the deck. You could open the cassette door, and easily reach in and grab your prize." Hi, Kermit! LOL! What incredibly interesting facts one can learn from Naktalk! I believe that the decks that were used in this fashion were known as 700 HIGH-Tracers, correct? LOL..... *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jul 15 14:58:19 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:58:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 DAT & DAC1000P Message-ID: <071520081258.19054.487C9EEB000B6DD300004A6E22155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Steve wrote: "Hi, Does anyone remember seeing the photos included in this listing previously? http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-1000-DAT-1000P-D-A-Processor-Collector-Item_W0QQit emZ260262744892QQihZ016QQcategoryZ14978QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Were they not included in a scam listing some months ago?" Hi, Steve: Yes, I recognized those photos right away. I also recognized the broken English in the item description. The seller claims that he is selling it to keep his ex-wife from getting it, but at the top of the auction it says there are 2 available. Add the quickie short-time listing format into the mix, and you have what appears to be a good old fashioned scam. *andy* From koman56 at otenet.gr Tue Jul 15 15:17:24 2008 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel T. Komninos) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:17:24 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 DAT & DAC1000P In-Reply-To: <788D0DD6E1B645CF9DB673407CCB9ECE@corp.halex.com.au> References: <788D0DD6E1B645CF9DB673407CCB9ECE@corp.halex.com.au> Message-ID: <487CA364.6010706@otenet.gr> Steve I asked the seller a few Q and got half answers back.....He still owes me a couple of answers like why if items located in the UK have free shipping to US destinations and 138USD for UK destinations........no response on this one and he advertises free shipping (i guess for domestic UK buyers)...... Also he says pictures are of the original item on sale.....but he has 2 pairs of them, so which is what? Then a 1 day sale is very strange for vintage items like these, he says he must sell quickly for his ex-wife not to take them away from him.....well it is in the description but not clearly stated! I really am confused, does anyone else in the forum saw these pictures in scam listing awhile ago? I know it is a short notice question but if somebody has any info before auction ends just send me an email directly. Thanks, Manos O/H Steve Kulak ??????: > Hi, > Does anyone remember seeing the photos included in this listing > previously? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-1000-DAT-1000P-D-A-Processor-Collector-Item_W0QQitemZ260262744892QQihZ016QQcategoryZ14978QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > Were they not included in a scam listing some months ago? > > You know what they say, if it's too good to be true, then it probably is. > > Steve > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 15 15:58:12 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:58:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] The 600, The 1000, And..... Message-ID: <16375541.1216130292379.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Kermit, Please do not solder the gold pcb fingers! Solder oxidizes, adding a second problem to the original. In addition, any connection between dissimilar metals has a deleterious audio effect. The proper way, the Nakamichi Authorized way, is to retension the socket contacts. It is easily done with a narrow pointed tool and a good set of eyes. The idea is to increase the spring tension that holds the board and connector together. I need to do a photo essay some day. BTW tensioning cures ailing T-100 analyzers as well. I saw more 550 and 600 decks in Nashville. Not many could afford the 700/1000. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kermit Gray >Sent: Jul 15, 2008 12:21 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 600, The 1000, And..... > >Hi Jesse! > >Don't feel badly -- when the 700 was new I saw as many 700s on the >test bench as the 250, 350 500, 550, 600, 600-II, and 1000 combined! >The 700 was a true bench queen! They usually came in for the same >things: loose Dolby PCB, bad internal connectors, head azimuth errors, >broken head wires, logic circuit problems, and jammed head door. After >the warranty expired, you could CAREFULLY plate the edge card >connector traces with solder, creating better contact and greatly >improving reliability; adding heavier gauge head wires and a drop of >thread locker solved head-problems; and a 5pF disc capacitor across >the power supply traces on the logic circuitry PCBs improved erratic >logic circuits. > >There were three things that, as a service tech, you couldn't achieve >in the 1970s: get a Revox A77's brakes working perfectly, keep a Uher >Report 4000 series running to its published flutter-and-wow spec, and >ensure a Nakamichi 700 wouldn't keep coming back for yet more repairs. > >It's a crying shame, I really love the Nakamichi 700, but honestly, >their internal connectors are rubbish. The best upgrade you can do to >a 700 is replace its internal connectors with something MIL-spec that >will actually work for more than a few weeks. > >On Jul 13, 2008, at 9:35 AM, jesse ruff wrote: > >> The 700 is a very awesome deck, but I can second the >> notion that they are problematic (as could many others >> here). I got one a couple years ago that had been >> sitting unused in its box for twenty years or more, >> and I've yet to have it working for longer than a >> couple months at a time. One of these days I hope to >> get it going again, as it is in nearly mint condition >> cosmetically from all the non-use. That being said, >> I've learned my lesson about buying decks that have >> sat around in a box--Naks were clearly created to be >> used! >> Jesse > > >-- Kermit Gray >notarbene at kvglabs.com >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to Make Your Music Better >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >Telephone: 913-422-0957 >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 15 16:06:29 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:06:29 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] The 600, The 1000, And..... Message-ID: <30627839.1216130789375.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I am assisting a speaker designer who has built a woofer that operates only ABOVE resonance. Most woofers rely on a resonant peak somewhere in their low end to boost bass. At resonance, electrical impedance is at a maximum, and the relative current and voltage phases shift in quadrants. If a ribbon mic has a resonance it might be too high (or low) to measure! Hadn't thought about that example. Another example is found comparing the simple Infinity emit tweeter to a dome. While both can be made to sound excellent, metal domes often have audible resonant colorations. Emits use a crackly and stiff plastic which by all rights should resonate, yet I've never heard anyone comment that it exists. Emit inductance is about as close to zero as you can get in a speaker. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kermit Gray >Sent: Jul 15, 2008 12:25 AM >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The 600, The 1000, And..... > >Hi Tom, > >You're so right! I think the Nakamichi heads have lower inductance >than other heads of the era, further improving high end response and >easing the design of the reproduce EQ circuits. > >What you've said is why I prefer ribbon microphones to other types, >especially for vocals, violins and strings. Ribbon microphones operate >above their resonance, while all other microphones types have a point >of resonance within their operating range. > >On Jul 12, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > >> A typical japanese playback circuit is designed to cost as little as >> possible and be easy to build. Most utilize natural head resonance >> to "peak" the playback frequency responce, in a maner similar to >> magnetic phono cartrdges. Nakamichi's wider bandwidth heads require >> less play eq, and the head resonance lies above the pb eq response. >> I might be going to far to suggest that Nak Crystalloy is to moving >> coil what ferrite (&friends) is to moving magnet. My point though >> is that any transducer operating at resonances imposes a telltale >> character, whether it is a microphone, woofer, or tape head. Operate >> the device away from its resonance, and the sound is preserved. > > > >-- Kermit Gray >notarbene at kvglabs.com >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to Make Your Music Better >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >Telephone: 913-422-0957 >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Jul 15 16:10:02 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:10:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 DAT & DAC1000P In-Reply-To: <788D0DD6E1B645CF9DB673407CCB9ECE@corp.halex.com.au> References: <788D0DD6E1B645CF9DB673407CCB9ECE@corp.halex.com.au> Message-ID: <20080715141004.ZSKR4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Yes, they were part of the scam and several people here reported the scam and the auction was closed within a day. At 09:22 PM 7/14/2008, you wrote: >Hi, >Does anyone remember seeing the photos included in this listing previously? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-1000-DAT-1000P-D-A-Processor-Collector-Item_W0QQitemZ260262744892QQihZ016QQcategoryZ14978QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >Were they not included in a scam listing some months ago? > >You know what they say, if it's too good to be true, then it probably is. > >Steve >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Tue Jul 15 20:09:13 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 DAT & DAC1000P In-Reply-To: <788D0DD6E1B645CF9DB673407CCB9ECE@corp.halex.com.au> Message-ID: <925995.45792.qm@web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yes, it was on ebay at least 3 or 4 times already and showed up on a site in GB that is similar to craigalist (gummy or something?) a little bit ago as well. It looks like this was copied from the British one, but is still the same photos and stories. I tried several times to get ebay to pull these, but their answer was that unless the original owner of the photos and text complained it was OK to use other peoples photos. Well, not if you are intensionally leading people to believe this is what they are buying, right? Also, how was I to know who was first with these? I gave up. David --- On Mon, 7/14/08, Steve Kulak wrote: > From: Steve Kulak > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 DAT & DAC1000P > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 6:22 PM > Hi, > Does anyone remember seeing the photos included in this > listing previously? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-1000-DAT-1000P-D-A-Processor-Collector-Item_W0QQitemZ260262744892QQihZ016QQcategoryZ14978QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > Were they not included in a scam listing some months ago? > > You know what they say, if it's too good to be true, > then it probably is. > > Steve========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jochi at qwest.net Tue Jul 15 21:29:05 2008 From: jochi at qwest.net (Jon Ochi) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:29:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 In-Reply-To: <31FE01E6-3822-413E-B211-0CC69027F486@kvglabs.com> References: <20080710201055.MJAM2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> <6EAE7922-C6B1-4D4E-91D2-D5F99C181498@kvglabs.com> <22EFD7C7-242B-4A1D-AC69-EB61ACA747FA@qwest.net> <31FE01E6-3822-413E-B211-0CC69027F486@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <0C1E81FA-BFF7-401E-9435-CDD57F214F35@qwest.net> Kermit, Thank you for the comments. It is as I thought you meant, ie. that quality ferric tape is okay, but poor quality ferric tape is not okay. Thanks also for the reminder to keep heads clean. I find that in the hostile environment of a car, Type I tapes sound just fine with a naturalness that is pleasing to my ears. Best to you, Jon On Jul 15, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Jon, > > Ferric (Type I) tapes themselves are fine, it is the quality of the > tape itself that matters. Poor quality tapes have poorly polished > and calendered oxide surfaces, making the tape the equivalent of > 000 grit sand paper. > > With the comment about cheap ferric tapes, I'm referring > specifically to those truly junk-quality "voice" or "voice letter" > cassette blanks like "Longines Symphonette," "M-Tracs" or > "Certron." You remember these? They were sold in shrink-wrapped 3- > packs for only 99-cents or less for the three pack, and the tapes > didn't even have cases. The same can be said for the famous > counterfeit blanks like "Maxwell," "Demon," "Amex," "TKK," or > "Sonny." I'd also avoid modern junk brands like Recoton and the > plethora of non-name blank cassettes sold on eBay -- often listed > as something like "100 Audio Cassette 90 / 92 min Minute Tape Blank > Music." Finally, I'd avoid Memorex -- it even looks rough to the > unaided eye and I never had the nerve to run it in my recorders. > > 3M AVX, Scotch Dynarange, TDK D, Maxell UR, UD-XL I, XL I, Fuji > DR-1, Denon DX-1, and Sony HF are fine because these are quality > tapes. > > Keeping the heads clean are the most important thing you can do to > prolong head life. > > On Jul 14, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Jon Ochi wrote: > >> Kermit, >> >> You indicated that "Cheap ferric tapes" will wear out Nak 600 >> heads. Does that mean any Type I (ferric) tape in the sense that >> they are cheaper than Type II tapes? Or are you saying that >> reputable Type I tapes made by companies like TDK and Maxell are >> okay as contrasted with cheaper Type I tapes made by less >> reputable companies? >> >> In other words, would your advice be to NOT use ANY Type I tape? >> The reason I ask is that Type I tape is still readily available >> and to tell the truth I quite like the sound of both TDK and >> Maxell Type I tapes. >> >> Thanks for any comments from your real world experience is always >> gratefully appreciated. >>> > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jul 15 22:09:28 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] calibration cassettes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <160507.95202.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am interested to see how yours measures up to Nak test tapes so please send after emailing me directly to kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com to get my mailing address whenever you are ready thanks kannan --- On Mon, 7/14/08, Victor Gabrenas wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas Subject: [naktalk] calibration cassettes To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 6:33 PM I have recently acquired a Studer A-80 QCR. Full track recorder. Currently I am creating 15KHz azimuth, 400Hz level, 15KHz level cassettes. Anyone interested in testing a cassette or two? They are high bias BASF reference tapes. So far I have verified the levels with the Nakamichi tapes I have. The process is very time consuming. They are recorded in real time out of the shell. If there is a demand for it, I may produce them as needed. Victor M. 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URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Jul 16 00:00:46 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:00:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 DAT & DAC1000P In-Reply-To: <788D0DD6E1B645CF9DB673407CCB9ECE@corp.halex.com.au> References: <788D0DD6E1B645CF9DB673407CCB9ECE@corp.halex.com.au> Message-ID: <20080715220043.IFWP22786.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Apparently the winner(s) of this auction have already posted negative feedback and a warning of the scam in the feedback profile. http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=lindy2277&&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&sspagename=VIP:feedback:2:us&iid=260262744892 At 09:22 PM 7/14/2008, you wrote: >Hi, >Does anyone remember seeing the photos included in this listing previously? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-1000-DAT-1000P-D-A-Processor-Collector-Item_W0QQitemZ260262744892QQihZ016QQcategoryZ14978QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >Were they not included in a scam listing some months ago? > >You know what they say, if it's too good to be true, then it probably is. > >Steve >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Jul 16 04:22:44 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:22:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 In-Reply-To: <6EAE7922-C6B1-4D4E-91D2-D5F99C181498@kvglabs.com> References: <20080710201055.MJAM2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> <6EAE7922-C6B1-4D4E-91D2-D5F99C181498@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <20080716022240.MDCQ8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Kermit, I've been following your critique of said 600, 600-II, 700 and the 1000. I'm gathering that if I found a 600 or 600-II in proper working order that I probably might be fairly happy with said unit. I also liked the 700 but I recall from the past and recent present that it's like that Rega. Beautiful when it works and like two timing trollop when it doesn't. Most 600 can be had for the $100 mark or not much above. I've also been following your banter with Gra' over turntables. I too had a Stanton 881 and it was sweet. Sadly, I sold it and bought a V15xvMR and recently a M91ED for my second turntable. Well, I actually own two Sony Biotracers so the V15 in the main runner and the M91 in the beater. I've oftern wondering about the Lenco's TT and even the rim drive Duals. For some odd reason, Duals are like Toyotas to some people. Once you own one, you never look at another. Thanks for the advice and your experience with the 700 series. I almost thought about that one. At 04:20 PM 7/11/2008, you wrote: >Hi Roland, > >Ask anyone -- they'll tell you that my favorite Nakamichi is the 600 >and 600-II! Why? well, in all candor, I think they got the sound just >right. The 600 and 600-II sound like a studio reel-to-reel and do not >have that "cassette deck sound" if you follow what I'm alluding to. >They're surprisingly reliable, and even well-worn machines can be >cajoled into sounding like-new. They're natural and detailed sounding, >with a good balance of subtle flattery and neutrality. Roland From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 07:26:51 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:26:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 DAT & DAC1000P In-Reply-To: <788D0DD6E1B645CF9DB673407CCB9ECE@corp.halex.com.au> References: <788D0DD6E1B645CF9DB673407CCB9ECE@corp.halex.com.au> Message-ID: <518b7b10807152226m64d7f63fq66371bed9e773c54@mail.gmail.com> It's such an obvious scam - item location London UK, seller registered in US, shipping rate quoted is from US to UK, etc. ........ There is such a unit for sale in London by a highly reputale hifi store and I have seen it in the flesh myself, but the asking price is 3500 pounds. It's listed at www.walrus.co.uk On 7/15/08, Steve Kulak wrote: > > Hi, > Does anyone remember seeing the photos included in this listing previously? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-1000-DAT-1000P-D-A-Processor-Collector-Item_W0QQitemZ260262744892QQihZ016QQcategoryZ14978QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > Were they not included in a scam listing some months ago? > > You know what they say, if it's too good to be true, then it probably is. > > Steve > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Wed Jul 16 01:28:58 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:28:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fabric Belts In-Reply-To: <0d9201c8e6c4$6f0de820$4d29b860$@com> References: <071320081405.19514.487A0BB4000BCC2C00004C3A2216551406CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> <0d9201c8e6c4$6f0de820$4d29b860$@com> Message-ID: <487D32BA.5070400@marrscommunications.com> Hi Graham, I think I will let someone else take on that project ! Fred M. Graham A Nelson wrote: >Hmmm ... don't it just make ya think we ought to be looking at having fabric >belts made for our Naks??! How about it, Fred?! > >Graham > > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of rayr0683 at comcast.net >Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:06 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Fabric Belts > >Graham, > Yes, Fabric belts held their form far better than plain >rubber belts. I know this from repairing older reel to reel tape decks, >like webster, webcor, wilcox-gay, etc.....the fabric belts would usually >never require changing, even after all the years of use, yet all the rubber >belts would either be stretched, brittle, broken or stiff. Even at the >Parts supply house I would go to, where nearly all repair techs went, it was >well known that the fabric belts rarely needed a replacement. The stock >barely moved in all the Fabric Belts. SO, I would state on my experience, >and that of other techs, I have known, as well as the Parts Supplier, that >Fabric Belts are a completely different animal than ordinary rubber belts. > > Ray > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Jul 16 20:28:17 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:28:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The 600, The 1000, And..... In-Reply-To: <16375541.1216130292379.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16375541.1216130292379.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2BF30A23-2CC6-4E31-AEDE-B78CD990F2DF@kvglabs.com> Hi Tom, On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Kermit, > Please do not solder the gold pcb fingers! Solder oxidizes, adding > a second problem to the original. In addition, any connection > between dissimilar metals has a deleterious audio effect. > The proper way, the Nakamichi Authorized way, is to retension the > socket contacts. It is easily done with a narrow pointed tool and a > good set of eyes. The idea is to increase the spring tension that > holds the board and connector together. > > You're absolutely correct about that, tensioning the connectors is the Nakamichi Authorized Way, and is ideal fix. Our service shop had the problem of seeing the same Nakamichi 700 decks keep coming back several times with the same problem -- loose connectors. Replacing the connectors didn't solve the problem as it seems that there was a run of badly-manufactured connectors made in 1977; the new ones were just as bad as the ones we were to replacing. The house engineer at this particular service shop, Chris Bauer, in frustration with the ongoing problem of loose connectors, managed to create a way of using a then- available gold solder used in satellite electronics and sonobuoys as a plating of the PCB traces that fit the edge card connectors. The procedure was elaborate, and involved very fine sanding of the gold solder and thorough cleaning of the solder flux. I asked him why he didn't merely electroplate the PCB traces with gold. He replied he also wanted to slightly build up the thickness of the PCB traces to create a tighter fit into the connectors. If the gold solder is still available I'm confident the method would still work, but you're right -- retensioning the connectors is a lot less of a hassle! I should have elaborated on this earlier. You're right, using ordinary rosin flux 60/40 solder as a plating on the contact traces of the PCBs will indeed cause oxidation problems. Thanks for catching my mistake, Tom! -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Jul 16 20:48:55 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:48:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 In-Reply-To: <20080716022240.MDCQ8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> References: <20080710201055.MJAM2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> <6EAE7922-C6B1-4D4E-91D2-D5F99C181498@kvglabs.com> <20080716022240.MDCQ8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <7F4665A4-8567-4EAB-B0E9-250FA5447FAF@kvglabs.com> Hi Roland, On Jul 15, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Roland wrote: > Kermit, > > > I've been following your critique of said 600, 600-II, 700 and the > 1000. > > I'm gathering that if I found a 600 or 600-II in proper working > order that I probably might be fairly happy with said unit. Yes, but even if it is having troubles I think a 600 or 600-II is worth having. Most of the problems I've experienced are "the usual suspects": need for lubrication, worn belts, dirty connectors, switches and potentiometers, burned out meter lamps, and a broken pin on the transport mechanism (that causes the transport keys to jam). I created a simple way to replace the broken pin with an ordinary #10 screw. After I meet a production deadline in September I'll do a photo essay on this fix because I have two of my 600s that need the fix. To date, I've not had a problem with my 600s and 600-IIs that wasn't readily cured by one of the previous general categories of fixes. > I also liked the 700 but I recall from the past and recent present > that it's like that Rega. Beautiful when it works and like two > timing trollop when it doesn't. > Oh yes, so true, so true! > I've also been following your banter with Gra' over turntables. > > I too had a Stanton 881 and it was sweet. Sadly, I sold it and > bought a V15xvMR and recently a M91ED for my second turntable. > Well, I actually own two Sony Biotracers so the V15 in the main > runner and the M91 in the beater. Which Biotracer? The pivotal or the straight line tracking? Those are amazing turntables! Protect it though, because it has custom ICs that cannot be replaced. I had a customer come in with a Biotracer that has a speed problem. the machine needed a replacement speed control IC, and I couldn't get the part -- even after calling Sony in Japan! This happened in 1987. Finding good styli for older Stantons and Shures has become nearly impossible. It's frustrating. The 881 and V-15 V MR are good enough that they're worth sending to Sound Smith to have them replace the original cantilever and stylus tip. They do amazing work and their ruby cantilever is a fabulous improvement for the Stanton 881 as well as the Shure V-15 Type III, Type IV and Type V. http://www.sound-smith.com > I've oftern wondering about the Lenco's TT and even the rim drive > Duals. For some odd reason, Duals are like Toyotas to some people. > Once you own one, you never look at another. I presently play my 78-rpm discs on a Dual 1218, a wonderful-sounding rim drive. I am a Dual fan, and a loyal "49er" -- someone who is passionate about their Dual 1249. As anyone -- I'm very loyal to my 1218 and 1249 (I enjoy fixing these two machines and bringing them back to peak condition). In fact, the 1249 lives in the lab doing yeoman service. Despite being a rim drive the 1218 is quiet running and has flutter-and-wow as good as many belt drive models. My only complaint with the Dual 1218 is it has a shorter tonearm than I think is ideal, which can make it troublesome to achieve the lowest possible distortion playback with Edison Diamond discs, early Victor discs, and some European labels, like HMV and Urania. But I have mounted several cartridges with 78-rpm sized styli at slightly different alignments to compensate for this limitation. I have a friend who has a huge collection of 78s and he uses a Lenco L75. The Lenco's suspension is touchier than my Dual 1218, and the Lenco drive is as good, but my interest in the Lenco is that I want the wider speed range of the Lenco. I cannot get the speed of a Pathe disc right with my Dual but I could with a Lenco L75. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Jul 16 20:50:55 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:50:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] calibration cassettes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Victor! Oooo...I wanna try one! Pretty please! Good job, man, good job! On Jul 14, 2008, at 5:33 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > I have recently acquired a Studer A-80 QCR. Full track recorder. > Currently I > am creating 15KHz azimuth, 400Hz level, 15KHz level cassettes. Anyone > interested in testing a cassette or two? > > They are high bias BASF reference tapes. So far I have verified the > levels > with the Nakamichi tapes I have. The process is very time consuming. > They > are recorded in real time out of the shell. If there is a demand for > it, I > may produce them as needed. > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: > 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: > 105 LCB > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From luis at peromarta.org Wed Jul 16 21:13:14 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:13:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] calibration cassettes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69E85E95-DCD0-4A55-8C7B-DEE3A1795AB0@peromarta.org> Hi Victor, I'd love to give them a try too! Best rgds, LP. El 15/07/2008, a las 0:33, Victor Gabrenas escribió: > I have recently acquired a Studer A-80 QCR. Full track recorder. > Currently I > am creating 15KHz azimuth, 400Hz level, 15KHz level cassettes. Anyone > interested in testing a cassette or two? > > They are high bias BASF reference tapes. So far I have verified the > levels > with the Nakamichi tapes I have. The process is very time consuming. > They > are recorded in real time out of the shell. If there is a demand for > it, I > may produce them as needed. > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: > 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: > 105 LCB > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From willyherm at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 15:10:52 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:10:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] calibration cassettes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b6f92900807170610k23e91bdfud2a7f9045508aaa5@mail.gmail.com> I would be very interested in giving them a try. Any chance you can make up a 3K w/ff tape as well? That's the one in my collection that's really in bad shape. Willy Hermann On 7/14/08, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > I have recently acquired a Studer A-80 QCR. Full track recorder. Currently I > am creating 15KHz azimuth, 400Hz level, 15KHz level cassettes. Anyone > interested in testing a cassette or two? > > They are high bias BASF reference tapes. So far I have verified the levels > with the Nakamichi tapes I have. The process is very time consuming. They > are recorded in real time out of the shell. If there is a demand for it, I > may produce them as needed. > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Wed Jul 16 12:46:33 2008 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:46:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] T-100 Message-ID: <6D2C0F6273A84086A81F7F3FBDF4B091@superdator> Hi everybody! I´ve just bought a very nice T-100 in perfect condition. So far everything seems to work. But i am wondering, can i trust the readings, it is after all an old instrument. Or do i need to do some calibration of the unit? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Jul 16 16:19:02 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:19:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Slightly OT - Rega belts Message-ID: <071620081419.17468.487E03560001725F0000443C22155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Kermit wrote: "By the way, I want a Lenco L75 to play my 78-rpm records so badly I can taste it!" A Dual CS-5000 has a 78-rpm speed setting. Why not try getting one of those? They aren't too expensive, and they look great. I have been very satisfied with my CS-5000 over the years. It's certainly not the last word in turntables, but quite a respectable machine nonetheless, especially for the price. Read what Hi-Fi World (a leading UK magazine) had to say about it: http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/oldeworldehtml/dualCS5000tt.html *andy* From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Jul 16 17:17:36 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 DAT & DAC1000P In-Reply-To: <518b7b10807152226m64d7f63fq66371bed9e773c54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <513430.1815.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> HI George, If you know the original seller, they can forward a complaint to ebay and get this stopped. I think the current auction is probably a hijacked account (hadn't been active since 2005). David --- On Tue, 7/15/08, george valkov wrote: > From: george valkov > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000 DAT & DAC1000P > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:26 PM > It's such an obvious scam - item location London UK, > seller registered > in US, shipping rate quoted is from US to UK, etc. ........ > > There is such a unit for sale in London by a highly > reputale hifi > store and I have seen it in the flesh myself, but the > asking price is > 3500 pounds. It's listed at www.walrus.co.uk > > > On 7/15/08, Steve Kulak wrote: > > > > Hi, > > Does anyone remember seeing the photos included in > this listing previously? > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-1000-DAT-1000P-D-A-Processor-Collector-Item_W0QQitemZ260262744892QQihZ016QQcategoryZ14978QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > Were they not included in a scam listing some months > ago? > > > > You know what they say, if it's too good to be > true, then it probably is. > > > > Steve > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large > group of > professionals built the Titanic." > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From theshorty at bigpond.com Thu Jul 17 03:55:18 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:55:18 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 References: <20080710201055.MJAM2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net><6EAE7922-C6B1-4D4E-91D2-D5F99C181498@kvglabs.com> <20080716022240.MDCQ8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <00db01c8e7b0$29eb0e70$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> > I've been following your critique of said 600, 600-II, 700 and the 1000. > > I'm gathering that if I found a 600 or 600-II in proper working order that > I probably might be fairly happy with said unit. I would say you would be very happy!!.. great sounding decks. Make sure the cosmetics are acceptable for you as the front panel cannot be replaced, but. these decks are still easy to rebuild and restore, mechanically and electronically. I had my 600 fully rebuilt about 2 years ago..and continues to work and sound great.. should be good for another 15 -20 years.. > I also liked the 700 but I recall from the past and recent present that > it's like that Rega. Beautiful when it works and like two timing trollop > when it doesn't. Any Nakamichi that doesn't go is a trollop!! The 700's are OK, and will offer a slightly different listening experience. The transport is less reliable in my experience.. but again, never turn down a good one! > Most 600 can be had for the $100 mark or not much above. > > I've also been following your banter with Gra' over turntables. > > I too had a Stanton 881 and it was sweet. Sadly, I sold it and bought a > V15xvMR and recently a M91ED for my second turntable. Well, I actually > own two Sony Biotracers so the V15 in the main runner and the M91 in the > beater. > > I've oftern wondering about the Lenco's TT and even the rim drive Duals. > For some odd reason, Duals are like Toyotas to some people. Once you own > one, you never look at another. > > Thanks for the advice and your experience with the 700 series. I almost > thought about that one. > > At 04:20 PM 7/11/2008, you wrote: >>Hi Roland, >> >>Ask anyone -- they'll tell you that my favorite Nakamichi is the 600 >>and 600-II! Why? well, in all candor, I think they got the sound just >>right. The 600 and 600-II sound like a studio reel-to-reel and do not >>have that "cassette deck sound" if you follow what I'm alluding to. >>They're surprisingly reliable, and even well-worn machines can be >>cajoled into sounding like-new. They're natural and detailed sounding, >>with a good balance of subtle flattery and neutrality. > > > > > > Roland > > From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Jul 17 06:48:00 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:48:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: calibration cassettes Message-ID: <8EB91DE8B71346D5B1C4212B2CED5522@gabrenas> Correction anyone with lab equipment that can validate these tapes for correct levels and azimuth. I need to see if these cassettes are true to the 200 nWb and -20dB level. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: Victor Gabrenas [mailto:gabrenas at math.utah.edu] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:33 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: calibration cassettes I have recently acquired a Studer A-80 QCR. Full track recorder. Currently I am creating 15KHz azimuth, 400Hz level, 15KHz level cassettes. Anyone interested in testing a cassette or two? They are high bias BASF reference tapes. So far I have verified the levels with the Nakamichi tapes I have. The process is very time consuming. They are recorded in real time out of the shell. If there is a demand for it, I may produce them as needed. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From theshorty at bigpond.com Thu Jul 17 03:28:18 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:28:18 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Was Nakamichi always The Best Quality? References: <487B806B.20009@marrscommunications.com><563902.52214.qm@web50509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <0b4301c8e686$26c35200$7449f600$@com> Message-ID: <00c801c8e7ac$6497cbc0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Graham, an interesting treatise, you are always great reading :o). Quality is many things to many people. I certainly think Nakamichi's aim was to get the highest quality possible, with the caveat 'for the price', even in their early days. The 500/600/700/1000 were all market point offerrings. Increasing performance for price.. but the key difference to later decks was that build quality was similar bottom to top of the range. I certainly agree about the decks getting 'cheaper' chronologically.. with the pinnacle around the time of the 6XX/ZX series IMHO.. though there are some build quality items that 'narc' me on my ZX-7!! I think Nakamichi suffered the usual economic problems as a company grows. In the early days, small company, small market, low fixed costs, 'select' product, few problems as such.. but as they grew... more overheads etc, etc. They had the top end effectively sewn up, so the only way to expand was down and that is very much a volume turn over market. The pinnacle as above, the turning point was introduction of the BX series. I remember when I first saw the catalogue for the BX1/2.. I recall thinking 'crap'.. cheap decks ( and ugly) and why !?!.. why would Nakamichi want to scrabble for pickings down the bottom of the pile??. ( I was one of those who put Nakamichi up on a pedestal at that point in time.. I was too poor to own one, but had access to several to whet my appetite in the meantime. My wife would now say that I have overcompensated!) Years and hindsight have softened my opinion.. simple economics! I'll digress slightly.. I think we have a lot to thank Nakamichi for.. for raising the bar on cassette deck performance and demonstrating what this medium could acheive, well beyond Philips low-fi intentions... and in doing so became the perceived world market bench mark. This also made it easier for Nakamichi to enter tackle the downstream market later on... to own the 'name' and garner the kudos for it!. I would certainly disagree in general about the 'less robust' Sankyo transport. .. and we have three basic variants used, single capstan, dual capstan, and direct drive. Sure, these were off the peg 'platform' transports, variants of which can be found in other makers machines ( I have used some of my BX spares to repair a Sansui SC transport), so here we have economies of scale and no doubt a significant cost down for Nakamichi vs their 'classic'. But no real loss of performance and some would say, certainly in respect of the DD transport.. a gain.. AND, certainly all my late series decks are no less reliable than my Nak transport machines... and in fact I have more confidence in these machines running from turn on after storage than my early models..certainly age is a contributor.. but the later electronics are more reliable too ( most decks are now back in storage unfortunately, for our imminent return to NZ). >From the mid 80's on, I agree that other makers made increasing ground on Nakamichi to the point of the DR series as you say, at which time I would concur that there are equal or better decks elsewhere across the range.. eg my Pioneer CT93. But, that is only part of the story. When people think Nakamichi, it is ZX or ZXL that is used as the bench mark ( or Dragon for those so afflicted :o) ). Back in time and further down the range, I think there is little to choose between a Tandberg TD310 and a 480 or 580 for arguements sake, and $ for $, ( pound for pound ), a Technics or Akai three head could be obtained for less money than a top classic Nak 2 header, were more versatile and performed comparably based on my own experience... just lacked 'that' name and I am no heretic!! Your ARCAM is a special deck for sure, designed to out Nak a Nak. I have only drooled over the photo's.. never seen one in NZ or Aussy.let alone heard one... and they seem to made from unobtanium in any case, much like the NEAL's... the 302 and/or 320 being on my covet/want list!! In terms of build quality.. to start an arguement, I have never considered Nakamichi to be top notch.. in general the mainstream manufacturers could better and more robustly assemble cassette decks. Just look at the woeful finish on late build LX's for example. The Nakamichi 'magic' was in the heads and the electronics, not the transport, good as it was, or the cosmetics. "as the market shrank and profits with them, so did the quality of Nak products"... ......and the same applied to all the other manufacturers.. In the early 90's the consumer world embraced 'surround sound' and the bulk of the 'readies' went that way and dropped traditional Hifi like a hot potato.. which then experienced a frighteningly rapid decline at that point IMHO and the world hasn't been the same since...well for me anyway! As an example, our kids are early 80's models and grew up with traditional hi-fi. Whilst they can appreciate the 'sound', they have no understanding of vinyl, limited appreciation of CD other than convenience, at least know what a cassette is thanks to car stereos!.., and have embraced the iPOD like the second coming :o{. That was the cause of the death of hifi as we know it outside of the esoteric for dinosaurs. cheers, Martin From dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk Thu Jul 17 15:41:57 2008 From: dave.bowley at hotmail.co.uk (Dave Bowley) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:41:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] calibration cassettes In-Reply-To: <4b6f92900807170610k23e91bdfud2a7f9045508aaa5@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b6f92900807170610k23e91bdfud2a7f9045508aaa5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Victor I am interested in your testing proposal but am in the UK. Does your generous offer extend to international shipping for trialling ? Regards dave> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:10:52 -0400> From: willyherm at gmail.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] calibration cassettes> > I would be very interested in giving them a try. Any chance you can> make up a 3K w/ff tape as well? That's the one in my collection> that's really in bad shape.> > Willy Hermann> > On 7/14/08, Victor Gabrenas wrote:> > I have recently acquired a Studer A-80 QCR. Full track recorder. Currently I> > am creating 15KHz azimuth, 400Hz level, 15KHz level cassettes. Anyone> > interested in testing a cassette or two?> >> > They are high bias BASF reference tapes. So far I have verified the levels> > with the Nakamichi tapes I have. The process is very time consuming. They> > are recorded in real time out of the shell. If there is a demand for it, I> > may produce them as needed.> >> >> > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257> > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148> > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu> > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas> > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB> >> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Play and win great prizes with Live Search and Kung Fu Panda http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719966/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Jul 17 18:53:07 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:53:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: calibration cassettes In-Reply-To: <8EB91DE8B71346D5B1C4212B2CED5522@gabrenas> References: <8EB91DE8B71346D5B1C4212B2CED5522@gabrenas> Message-ID: <405A765E-737A-468B-81FB-AF4468093C25@peromarta.org> I can do that ;) El 17/07/2008, a las 6:48, Victor Gabrenas escribió: > Correction anyone with lab equipment that can validate these tapes for > correct levels and azimuth. I need to see if these cassettes are > true to the > 200 nWb and -20dB level. > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: > 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: > 105 LCB > > -----Original Message----- > From: Victor Gabrenas [mailto:gabrenas at math.utah.edu] > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:33 PM > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: calibration cassettes > > I have recently acquired a Studer A-80 QCR. Full track recorder. > Currently I > am creating 15KHz azimuth, 400Hz level, 15KHz level cassettes. Anyone > interested in testing a cassette or two? > > They are high bias BASF reference tapes. So far I have verified the > levels > with the Nakamichi tapes I have. The process is very time consuming. > They > are recorded in real time out of the shell. If there is a demand for > it, I > may produce them as needed. > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: > 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: > 105 LCB > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From fripp_em at yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 18:19:20 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] calibration cassettes In-Reply-To: <4b6f92900807170610k23e91bdfud2a7f9045508aaa5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <86607.91490.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The 3kHZ is one I'd really like some of too! Thanks, David --- On Thu, 7/17/08, Willy Hermann wrote: > I would be very interested in giving them a try. Any chance > you can > make up a 3K w/ff tape as well? That's the one in my > collection > that's really in bad shape. > > Willy Hermann > From lenaw at flash.net Thu Jul 17 17:47:50 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Was Nakamichi always The Best Quality? In-Reply-To: <00c801c8e7ac$6497cbc0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: <911800.82217.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Martin: Even with the BX and CR series of low-cost decks, the electrical spec. are still very impessive with Frequency Response always maintain at 20Hz-20kHz +/- 3db and W&F at the 0.027% range. They might no have various manually tape calibration capabilities as their big brothers but one gets what one pays for. Thanks. Mike Martin & Karen Short wrote: Graham, an interesting treatise, you are always great reading :o). Quality is many things to many people. I certainly think Nakamichi's aim was to get the highest quality possible, with the caveat 'for the price', even in their early days. The 500/600/700/1000 were all market point offerrings. Increasing performance for price.. but the key difference to later decks was that build quality was similar bottom to top of the range. I certainly agree about the decks getting 'cheaper' chronologically.. with the pinnacle around the time of the 6XX/ZX series IMHO.. though there are some build quality items that 'narc' me on my ZX-7!! I think Nakamichi suffered the usual economic problems as a company grows. In the early days, small company, small market, low fixed costs, 'select' product, few problems as such.. but as they grew... more overheads etc, etc. They had the top end effectively sewn up, so the only way to expand was down and that is very much a volume turn over market. The pinnacle as above, the turning point was introduction of the BX series. I remember when I first saw the catalogue for the BX1/2.. I recall thinking 'crap'.. cheap decks ( and ugly) and why !?!.. why would Nakamichi want to scrabble for pickings down the bottom of the pile??. ( I was one of those who put Nakamichi up on a pedestal at that point in time.. I was too poor to own one, but had access to several to whet my appetite in the meantime. My wife would now say that I have overcompensated!) Years and hindsight have softened my opinion.. simple economics! I'll digress slightly.. I think we have a lot to thank Nakamichi for.. for raising the bar on cassette deck performance and demonstrating what this medium could acheive, well beyond Philips low-fi intentions... and in doing so became the perceived world market bench mark. This also made it easier for Nakamichi to enter tackle the downstream market later on... to own the 'name' and garner the kudos for it!. I would certainly disagree in general about the 'less robust' Sankyo transport. .. and we have three basic variants used, single capstan, dual capstan, and direct drive. Sure, these were off the peg 'platform' transports, variants of which can be found in other makers machines ( I have used some of my BX spares to repair a Sansui SC transport), so here we have economies of scale and no doubt a significant cost down for Nakamichi vs their 'classic'. But no real loss of performance and some would say, certainly in respect of the DD transport.. a gain.. AND, certainly all my late series decks are no less reliable than my Nak transport machines... and in fact I have more confidence in these machines running from turn on after storage than my early models..certainly age is a contributor.. but the later electronics are more reliable too ( most decks are now back in storage unfortunately, for our imminent return to NZ). >From the mid 80's on, I agree that other makers made increasing ground on Nakamichi to the point of the DR series as you say, at which time I would concur that there are equal or better decks elsewhere across the range.. eg my Pioneer CT93. But, that is only part of the story. When people think Nakamichi, it is ZX or ZXL that is used as the bench mark ( or Dragon for those so afflicted :o) ). Back in time and further down the range, I think there is little to choose between a Tandberg TD310 and a 480 or 580 for arguements sake, and $ for $, ( pound for pound ), a Technics or Akai three head could be obtained for less money than a top classic Nak 2 header, were more versatile and performed comparably based on my own experience... just lacked 'that' name and I am no heretic!! Your ARCAM is a special deck for sure, designed to out Nak a Nak. I have only drooled over the photo's.. never seen one in NZ or Aussy.let alone heard one... and they seem to made from unobtanium in any case, much like the NEAL's... the 302 and/or 320 being on my covet/want list!! In terms of build quality.. to start an arguement, I have never considered Nakamichi to be top notch.. in general the mainstream manufacturers could better and more robustly assemble cassette decks. Just look at the woeful finish on late build LX's for example. The Nakamichi 'magic' was in the heads and the electronics, not the transport, good as it was, or the cosmetics. "as the market shrank and profits with them, so did the quality of Nak products"... ......and the same applied to all the other manufacturers.. In the early 90's the consumer world embraced 'surround sound' and the bulk of the 'readies' went that way and dropped traditional Hifi like a hot potato.. which then experienced a frighteningly rapid decline at that point IMHO and the world hasn't been the same since...well for me anyway! As an example, our kids are early 80's models and grew up with traditional hi-fi. Whilst they can appreciate the 'sound', they have no understanding of vinyl, limited appreciation of CD other than convenience, at least know what a cassette is thanks to car stereos!.., and have embraced the iPOD like the second coming :o{. 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URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jul 17 20:14:32 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:14:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 In-Reply-To: <7F4665A4-8567-4EAB-B0E9-250FA5447FAF@kvglabs.com> References: <20080710201055.MJAM2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> <6EAE7922-C6B1-4D4E-91D2-D5F99C181498@kvglabs.com> <20080716022240.MDCQ8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> <7F4665A4-8567-4EAB-B0E9-250FA5447FAF@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <20080717181432.QYF18077.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Kermit, I have two X600 Biotracers. Both run perfectly and I love the ability to adjust arm balance on the fly. One sometimes leaks a little oil from the center bearing (I think) and spreads through those three access holes for the reflective mirrors below the platter. I also have a Garrard Lab 95B that was never used and although I bought it two years ago, it still has never been used. I know it was a utilitarian type TT but I bought it just to play 45's with the stacking spindle. When I do get some money saved, I'd like to get a Dual or that Lenco. I think the Dual might be first. >>.I've also been following your banter with Gra' over turntables. >> >>I too had a Stanton 881 and it was sweet. Sadly, I sold it and >>bought a V15xvMR and recently a M91ED for my second turntable. >>Well, I actually own two Sony Biotracers so the V15 in the main >>runner and the M91 in the beater. > >Which Biotracer? The pivotal or the straight line tracking? Those are >amazing turntables! Protect it though, because it has custom ICs that >cannot be replaced. I had a customer come in with a Biotracer that has >a speed problem. the machine needed a replacement speed control IC, >and I couldn't get the part -- even after calling Sony in Japan! This >happened in 1987. > Roland From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Thu Jul 17 22:08:41 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:08:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: calibration cassettes In-Reply-To: <405A765E-737A-468B-81FB-AF4468093C25@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <1501DFED6B9C4EDE8502F7811CCB75CB@gabrenas> Which ways can you measure nWb. I am half tempted to have our physics department do the tests. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:53 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: calibration cassettes I can do that ;) El 17/07/2008, a las 6:48, Victor Gabrenas escribió: > Correction anyone with lab equipment that can validate these tapes for > correct levels and azimuth. I need to see if these cassettes are > true to the > 200 nWb and -20dB level. > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: > 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: > 105 LCB > > -----Original Message----- > From: Victor Gabrenas [mailto:gabrenas at math.utah.edu] > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:33 PM > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: calibration cassettes > > I have recently acquired a Studer A-80 QCR. Full track recorder. > Currently I > am creating 15KHz azimuth, 400Hz level, 15KHz level cassettes. Anyone > interested in testing a cassette or two? > > They are high bias BASF reference tapes. So far I have verified the > levels > with the Nakamichi tapes I have. The process is very time consuming. > They > are recorded in real time out of the shell. If there is a demand for > it, I > may produce them as needed. > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: > 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: > 105 LCB > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From graymack at juno.com Thu Jul 17 23:29:10 2008 From: graymack at juno.com (graymack at juno.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:29:10 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 Message-ID: <20080717.142910.16851.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> I just listed a 600 on ebay. I hooked it up last week to test before getting rid of it, and the old tapes sounded pretty good until the motor just stopped yesterday. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140250474413 Gary ____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on online masters degrees and make up to $150K/ year http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iifnHYShLtWvYMo5okb5JOYQuy3i4vnWkr9uBesW5rTGageWM/ From waxtayl at free.fr Fri Jul 18 00:18:30 2008 From: waxtayl at free.fr (waxtayl) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:18:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] calibration cassettes In-Reply-To: References: <4b6f92900807170610k23e91bdfud2a7f9045508aaa5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487FC536.7050908@free.fr> Hi, I'm also interested in these tapes especially the 3khz one but I live in France, very far isn't it ? I can pay for shipping of course ;) Dave Bowley a écrit : > Hi Victor > > I am interested in your testing proposal but am in the UK. Does your > generous offer extend to international shipping for trialling ? > > Regards > dave > > > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:10:52 -0400 > > From: willyherm at gmail.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] calibration cassettes > > > > I would be very interested in giving them a try. Any chance you can > > make up a 3K w/ff tape as well? That's the one in my collection > > that's really in bad shape. > > > > Willy Hermann > > > > On 7/14/08, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > > > I have recently acquired a Studer A-80 QCR. Full track recorder. > Currently I > > > am creating 15KHz azimuth, 400Hz level, 15KHz level cassettes. Anyone > > > interested in testing a cassette or two? > > > > > > They are high bias BASF reference tapes. So far I have verified > the levels > > > with the Nakamichi tapes I have. The process is very time > consuming. They > > > are recorded in real time out of the shell. If there is a demand > for it, I > > > may produce them as needed. > > > > > > > > > Victor M. 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URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Jul 18 14:30:43 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:30:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Unused CR-7A On eBay Message-ID: <071820081230.11404.48808CF30001F64000002C8C22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I won't be bidding (I have enough of these things already!), but this has to be the nicest one I've seen...it should go for BIG money: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280246346022&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018 *andy* From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Jul 18 16:21:44 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:21:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] RE: calibration cassettes Message-ID: <19049101.1216390904058.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Victor, Someone with a flux meter will have to be found. I do not have one. I can only compare to my Nak tapes played on a deck. I do have some "never played" 20kHz PB frequency response tape, so barring any self erasure over time I might get a close observation for you. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Victor Gabrenas >Sent: Jul 17, 2008 3:08 PM >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: calibration cassettes > >Which ways can you measure nWb. I am half tempted to have our physics >department do the tests. > >Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 >University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 >Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Luis Peromarta >Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:53 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: calibration cassettes > >I can do that ;) > >El 17/07/2008, a las 6:48, Victor Gabrenas escribió: > >> Correction anyone with lab equipment that can validate these tapes for >> correct levels and azimuth. I need to see if these cassettes are >> true to the >> 200 nWb and -20dB level. >> >> Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: >> 1-801-581-5257 >> University of Utah FAX: >> 1-801-581-4148 >> Department of Mathematics Email: >gabrenas at math.utah.edu >> 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: >http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >> Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: >> 105 LCB >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Victor Gabrenas [mailto:gabrenas at math.utah.edu] >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:33 PM >> To: 'naktalk at naks.com' >> Subject: calibration cassettes >> >> I have recently acquired a Studer A-80 QCR. Full track recorder. >> Currently I >> am creating 15KHz azimuth, 400Hz level, 15KHz level cassettes. Anyone >> interested in testing a cassette or two? >> >> They are high bias BASF reference tapes. So far I have verified the >> levels >> with the Nakamichi tapes I have. The process is very time consuming. >> They >> are recorded in real time out of the shell. If there is a demand for >> it, I >> may produce them as needed. >> >> >> Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: >> 1-801-581-5257 >> University of Utah FAX: >> 1-801-581-4148 >> Department of Mathematics Email: >gabrenas at math.utah.edu >> 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: >http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >> Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: >> 105 LCB >> >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From greynlds at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 16:31:53 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:31:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Unused CR-7A On eBay In-Reply-To: <071820081230.11404.48808CF30001F64000002C8C22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <071820081230.11404.48808CF30001F64000002C8C22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <184AE50F3FFD47DE8CCDF2FDC52BC4B4@geoffprimary> From: > I won't be bidding (I have enough of these things already!), but this has > to be the nicest one I've seen...it should go for BIG money: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280246346022&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018 Don't sellers read / follow the rules? His payment terms aren't allowed based on eBay's policies. If you accept PayPal, you can't charge an extra fee for it or only allow partial payment and then require the balance to be paid some other way. Looks like a really nice CR-7A though, even if the pictures aren't good enough to determine that it's truly unused. -- Geoffrey Reynolds From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Jul 18 20:32:53 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Unused CR-7A On eBay Message-ID: <701581.68726.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> One of the worst things for your Nak deck is to never use it. I've found that decks I take to Willy that were not used need lots of work. I'd want to see the service report before bidding to know what they did. Also, the serial number is early. There's no mention of Eq fix or gear mod. Strange if it is being serviced by an original dealer who knows how to work on Naks that this isn't even mentioned (was it done, or why not). It does look nice, but I'd worry about spending huge amounts of money and then spending that again getting the deck serviced. It's already out of my price range (I always factor what I think might be service/repair cost and make sure I won't be disappointed if that comes true). Then again, we all know that this was the best Nak ever made:-) David --- On Fri, 7/18/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] Unused CR-7A On eBay > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 5:30 AM > I won't be bidding (I have enough of these things > already!), but this has to be the nicest one I've > seen...it should go for BIG money: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280246346022&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018 > > > > *andy* > From luis at peromarta.org Sat Jul 19 10:59:18 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:59:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: calibration cassettes In-Reply-To: <1501DFED6B9C4EDE8502F7811CCB75CB@gabrenas> References: <1501DFED6B9C4EDE8502F7811CCB75CB@gabrenas> Message-ID: <9D931DBA-F9E7-42EF-B0B6-DEDA377C4852@peromarta.org> Hi Victor, I can measure levels and azimuth, and compare to originals. rgds, LP El 17/07/2008, a las 22:08, Victor Gabrenas escribió: > Which ways can you measure nWb. I am half tempted to have our physics > department do the tests. > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: > 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: > 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: > 105 LCB > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf > Of Luis Peromarta > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:53 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: calibration cassettes > > I can do that ;) > > El 17/07/2008, a las 6:48, Victor Gabrenas escribió: > >> Correction anyone with lab equipment that can validate these tapes >> for >> correct levels and azimuth. I need to see if these cassettes are >> true to the >> 200 nWb and -20dB level. >> >> Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: >> 1-801-581-5257 >> University of Utah FAX: >> 1-801-581-4148 >> Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu >> 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >> Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: >> 105 LCB >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Victor Gabrenas [mailto:gabrenas at math.utah.edu] >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:33 PM >> To: 'naktalk at naks.com' >> Subject: calibration cassettes >> >> I have recently acquired a Studer A-80 QCR. Full track recorder. >> Currently I >> am creating 15KHz azimuth, 400Hz level, 15KHz level cassettes. Anyone >> interested in testing a cassette or two? >> >> They are high bias BASF reference tapes. So far I have verified the >> levels >> with the Nakamichi tapes I have. The process is very time consuming. >> They >> are recorded in real time out of the shell. If there is a demand for >> it, I >> may produce them as needed. >> >> >> Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: >> 1-801-581-5257 >> University of Utah FAX: >> 1-801-581-4148 >> Department of Mathematics Email: > gabrenas at math.utah.edu >> 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >> Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: >> 105 LCB >> >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Jul 19 01:21:26 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:21:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Unused CR-7A On eBay In-Reply-To: <184AE50F3FFD47DE8CCDF2FDC52BC4B4@geoffprimary> References: <071820081230.11404.48808CF30001F64000002C8C22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <184AE50F3FFD47DE8CCDF2FDC52BC4B4@geoffprimary> Message-ID: <20080718232127.QODU4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> I don't believe it's truly unused nor do I believe he's the original owner. Whenever I see an auction that claims the seller is the original owner but I see words like 'we' and 'only ship with Fedex' , then it's a fair bet somebody bought this and polished it up. Here's the key words from the auction that give me suspicion. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We use Fed Ex Ground for all domestic shipments while using USPS for international. Fed Ex Can't deliver to a mail box or PO Box addresses. We encourage you to provide us a business address (i.e. your work address) for delivery purposes. No local pickup available at this time unless you call us to mnake arrangements. Need shipping outside the USA? Contact us for exact shipping quote. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- On Jul-16-08 at 07:58:22 PDT, seller added the following information: Yes, this comes with it's original remote control. Yes, we will gladly ship it ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. At 10:31 AM 7/18/2008, you wrote: >From: > >>I won't be bidding (I have enough of these things already!), but >>this has to be the nicest one I've seen...it should go for BIG money: >> >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280246346022&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018 > > > >Don't sellers read / follow the rules? His payment terms aren't >allowed based on eBay's policies. If you accept PayPal, you can't >charge an extra fee for it or only allow partial payment and then >require the balance to be paid some other way. > >Looks like a really nice CR-7A though, even if the pictures aren't >good enough to determine that it's truly unused. >-- >Geoffrey Reynolds >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sat Jul 19 02:16:01 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Unused CR-7A On eBay In-Reply-To: <701581.68726.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <262265.36875.qm@web50511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I also see that the seller bought a new CR-7A belt kit this month. Strange that they would change belts and not mention it. Not that there's anything wrong with putting on new belts, but they make it sound like they took it to a dealer who takes care of Nakamichis but they bought a belt kit for it this month? Might be OK, but if you are interested in this one, ask who did what and ask to see that service invoice that says everything is up to spec. Also, I'd contact ebay and get a clarification on that paypal down payment thing. never saw that before. David From jrplosay at gci.net Sat Jul 19 17:22:32 2008 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:22:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] calibration cassettes References: <200807171000.m6HA0cgh007020@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I'd also love to try, or acquire a set once they are being produced. Put me down as interested. >> ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:50:55 -0500 > From: Kermit Gray > Subject: Re: [naktalk] calibration cassettes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi Victor! > > Oooo...I wanna try one! Pretty please! Good job, man, good job! > > On Jul 14, 2008, at 5:33 PM, Victor Gabrenas wrote: > >> I have recently acquired a Studer A-80 QCR. Full track recorder. >> Currently I >> am creating 15KHz azimuth, 400Hz level, 15KHz level cassettes. Anyone >> interested in testing a cassette or two? >> >> They are high bias BASF reference tapes. So far I have verified the >> levels >> with the Nakamichi tapes I have. The process is very time consuming. >> They >> are recorded in real time out of the shell. If there is a demand for >> it, I >> may produce them as needed. >> >> >> Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: >> 1-801-581-5257 >> University of Utah FAX: >> 1-801-581-4148 >> Department of Mathematics Email: >> gabrenas at math.utah.edu >> 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: >> http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >> Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: >> 105 LCB From theshorty at bigpond.com Sat Jul 19 05:25:06 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:25:06 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Was Nakamichi always The Best Quality? References: <911800.82217.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004801c8e94f$0aabd260$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Hi Mike, Yes, there was never any arguement on the quality of Nak electronics from me. I have a couple of low range BX's.. a 125 and 150 in my collection, and the do sound quite OK.. no arguement. ( These are the machines for 'others' to use :o) as I still have spare new heads for these) Both machines have the same tape calibration capability as the earlier 480/481/482... ie: none externally. The W&F you quote is for the direct drive dual capstan BX300/CR4/CR5/CR7, not the 0.6% for the single BX1/2/100-150's. Really I was just surprised to see Nakamichi enter that particular market; single capstan "me too" deck(s) after all the ballyho about the asymmetric diffused resonance transports, pressure pad lifters and the rest.. that was all.. particularly with two unspectacular looking machines in the BX1 and 2 IMHO.. decks that were hard to distinguish from main stream offerings. Sure they had the trade mark Nakamichi 20-20 at -20 frequency response which was much better than the competition, and great sound.. but they were a hard sell!. The later BX100/150's were more popular I think, because they were better looking and 'different' with the centre well, to visually justify the expense over say a better featured Technics... ( usually just user adjustable bias and flashy fluoro meters). As for value, or get what you pay for..that is a relative concept... in NZ when first introduced even the BX100 wasn't a cheap deck, costing about NZ$499, the BX 150 was NZ$849, and the BX300 NZ$1599.. and sales were slow understandably. I think the importer was trying to leverage the name perhaps .. but once pricing became more realistic at around NZ$349 for a BX100, $599 for a 150, sales did pickup. FWIW I paid $1200 for my BX300.in 1988...(discounted from $1299!) the only Nak I have had from new. Even at the reduced prices, the Naks were still premium compared to offerings from Technics and Denon.. the two most popular Japanese mainstream manufacturers. A Technics RS-B100 was a similar NZ cost to the originally priced BX150.. as to which was better value.. hmmm... Cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Was Nakamichi always The Best Quality? Martin: Even with the BX and CR series of low-cost decks, the electrical spec. are still very impessive with Frequency Response always maintain at 20Hz-20kHz +/- 3db and W&F at the 0.027% range. They might no have various manually tape calibration capabilities as their big brothers but one gets what one pays for. Thanks. Mike Martin & Karen Short wrote: Graham, an interesting treatise, you are always great reading :o). Quality is many things to many people. I certainly think Nakamichi's aim was to get the highest quality possible, with the caveat 'for the price', even in their early days. The 500/600/700/1000 were all market point offerrings. Increasing performance for price.. but the key difference to later decks was that build quality was similar bottom to top of the range. I certainly agree about the decks getting 'cheaper' chronologically.. with the pinnacle around the time of the 6XX/ZX series IMHO.. though there are some build quality items that 'narc' me on my ZX-7!! I think Nakamichi suffered the usual economic problems as a company grows. In the early days, small company, small market, low fixed costs, 'select' product, few problems as such.. but as they grew... more overheads etc, etc. They had the top end effectively sewn up, so the only way to expand was down and that is very much a volume turn over market. The pinnacle as above, the turning point was introduction of the BX series. I remember when I first saw the catalogue for the BX1/2.. I recall thinking 'crap'.. cheap decks ( and ugly) and why !?!.. why would Nakamichi want to scrabble for pickings down the bottom of the pile??. ( I was one of those who put Nakamichi up on a pedestal at that point in time.. I was too poor to own one, but had access to several to whet my appetite in the meantime. My wife would now say that I have overcompensated!) Years and hindsight have softened my opinion.. simple economics! I'll digress slightly.. I think we have a lot to thank Nakamichi for.. for raising the bar on cassette deck performance and demonstrating what this medium could acheive, well beyond Philips low-fi intentions... and in doing so became the perceived world market bench mark. This also made it easier for Nakamichi to enter tackle the downstream market later on... to own the 'name' and garner the kudos for it!. I would certainly disagree in general about the 'less robust' Sankyo transport. .. and we have three basic variants used, single capstan, dual capstan, and direct drive. Sure, these were off the peg 'platform' transports, variants of which can be found in other makers machines ( I have used some of my BX spares to repair a Sansui SC transport), so here we have economies of scale and no doubt a significant cost down for Nakamichi vs their 'classic'. But no real loss of performance and some would say, certainly in respect of the DD transport.. a gain.. AND, certainly all my late series decks are no less reliable than my Nak transport machines... and in fact I have more confidence in these machines running from turn on after storage than my early models..certainly age is a contributor.. but the later electronics are more reliable too ( most decks are now back in storage unfortunately, for our imminent return to NZ). >From the mid 80's on, I agree that other makers made increasing ground on Nakamichi to the point of the DR series as you say, at which time I would concur that there are equal or better decks elsewhere across the range.. eg my Pioneer CT93. But, that is only part of the story. When people think Nakamichi, it is ZX or ZXL that is used as the bench mark ( or Dragon for those so afflicted :o) ). Back in time and further down the range, I think there is little to choose between a Tandberg TD310 and a 480 or 580 for arguements sake, and $ for $, ( pound for pound ), a Technics or Akai three head could be obtained for less money than a top classic Nak 2 header, were more versatile and performed comparably based on my own experience... just lacked 'that' name and I am no heretic!! Your ARCAM is a special deck for sure, designed to out Nak a Nak. I have only drooled over the photo's.. never seen one in NZ or Aussy.let alone heard one... and they seem to made from unobtanium in any case, much like the NEAL's... the 302 and/or 320 being on my covet/want list!! In terms of build quality.. to start an arguement, I have never considered Nakamichi to be top notch.. in general the mainstream manufacturers could better and more robustly assemble cassette decks. Just look at the woeful finish on late build LX's for example. The Nakamichi 'magic' was in the heads and the electronics, not the transport, good as it was, or the cosmetics. "as the market shrank and profits with them, so did the quality of Nak products"... ......and the same applied to all the other manufacturers.. In the early 90's the consumer world embraced 'surround sound' and the bulk of the 'readies' went that way and dropped traditional Hifi like a hot potato.. which then experienced a frighteningly rapid decline at that point IMHO and the world hasn't been the same since...well for me anyway! As an example, our kids are early 80's models and grew up with traditional hi-fi. Whilst they can appreciate the 'sound', they have no understanding of vinyl, limited appreciation of CD other than convenience, at least know what a cassette is thanks to car stereos!.., and have embraced the iPOD like the second coming :o{. That was the cause of the death of hifi as we know it outside of the esoteric for dinosaurs. cheers, Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Jul 19 05:43:13 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:43:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Unused CR-7A On eBay In-Reply-To: <071820081230.11404.48808CF30001F64000002C8C22165514069C9C0 1089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <071820081230.11404.48808CF30001F64000002C8C22165514069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080719034316.VJHF2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Well now. Isn't this interesting. At least we know where said original owner bought his belt kit or the place that tuned up the CR7. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360064254023 Look at the seller and then look under purchases at one of the buyers. At 08:30 AM 7/18/2008, you wrote: >I won't be bidding (I have enough of these things already!), but >this has to be the nicest one I've seen...it should go for BIG money: > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280246346022&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=018 > > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Jul 20 14:22:37 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:22:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Unused CR-7A On eBay Message-ID: <072020081222.426.48832E0D000A7102000001AA22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Okay, okay, OKAY....I guess I should have been more explicit in my original post. What I should have said: "I won't be bidding (I have enough of these things already!), but IF THE SELLER IS TO BE BELIEVED, this has to be the nicest one I've seen...it should go for BIG money" One thing in his favor is that he doesn't have anything else offered on eBay right now, and he has a very low feedback number but 100% positive feedback, which would seem to indicate a "non professional" status. It is interesting that he bought a belt kit for it. I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt. He didn't have to spruce the deck up with new belts and could have sold it "as is" instead of offering a return policy like he is doing, so I give him points for at least purchasing the parts for it. He is also providing his phone number in the auction listing, so anyone could ask questions before bidding -- another plus in his favor. I do agree that the PayPal requirement is a bit strange, though. But I don't know if I would be so quick to conclude that the deck is "junk" or "worn out" or that the seller is a "ripoff artist" or "estate sale tycoon"....... Just my thoughts....I do have to admit that I have been very lucky so far with my eBay purchases (682ZX, four CR-7A's, RX-505, ZX-7, ZX-9). I haven't been burned yet. *andy* From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Jul 20 21:09:21 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:09:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Unused CR-7A On eBay In-Reply-To: <072020081222.426.48832E0D000A7102000001AA22155934149C9C010 89C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <072020081222.426.48832E0D000A7102000001AA22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080720190920.IINK2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Andy, I did write to the guy to ask for further explanation. The phone number is not his. The eBayer is not the seller. The eBayer is just the typist for the CR7A auction which is not his. I guess Paul is a friend and the eBayer gets stuff for him and lists his items. I've also explained to him that you must accept all forms of Paypal if you accept any and that includes $500 downpayments. I would have liked to see a photo of the books, manual and cleaning kit that came with the CR7A. It certainly does look nice but units that leave ESL after restoration look the same pristine condition. In my personal experience with eBayers and not getting burned, I never bid on an auction where the eBayer says they are selling for a friend, selling to reduce their personal inventory, start an auction off with the word 'I' and end up with a 'we' in the end even if they give a phone number to contact. If I had the money, I'd be bidding $700 for the unit. I don't believe a CR7A is worth any more than that unless it comes from ESL. At 08:22 AM 7/20/2008, you wrote: >He is also providing his phone number in the auction listing, so >anyone could ask questions before bidding -- another plus in his favor. > >I do agree that the PayPal requirement is a bit strange, though. > >But I don't know if I would be so quick to conclude that the deck is >"junk" or "worn out" or that the seller is a "ripoff artist" or >"estate sale tycoon"....... > >Just my thoughts....I do have to admit that I have been very lucky >so far with my eBay purchases (682ZX, four CR-7A's, RX-505, ZX-7, >ZX-9). I haven't been burned yet. > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 02:12:49 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Unused CR-7A On eBay In-Reply-To: <20080720190920.IINK2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <999982.67808.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Roland, If the CR7A were to come from ESL, it would be worth at least $3500.00, if not more. And, at that price would be worth every penny! I know because I had a total restore done on my  680ZX recently, and own a 1000 ZXL I bought for a song( on ebay!), working perfectly and has an ESL sticker on its back and both these decks are superb machines! Just my experience with ESL service.Pricey and perfect! Better than new as they proclaim! Regards, Ram --- On Sun, 7/20/08, Roland wrote: From: Roland Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Unused CR-7A On eBay To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 3:09 PM Andy, I did write to the guy to ask for further explanation. The phone number is not his. The eBayer is not the seller. The eBayer is just the typist for the CR7A auction which is not his. I guess Paul is a friend and the eBayer gets stuff for him and lists his items. I've also explained to him that you must accept all forms of Paypal if you accept any and that includes $500 downpayments. I would have liked to see a photo of the books, manual and cleaning kit that came with the CR7A. It certainly does look nice but units that leave ESL after restoration look the same pristine condition. In my personal experience with eBayers and not getting burned, I never bid on an auction where the eBayer says they are selling for a friend, selling to reduce their personal inventory, start an auction off with the word 'I' and end up with a 'we' in the end even if they give a phone number to contact. If I had the money, I'd be bidding $700 for the unit. I don't believe a CR7A is worth any more than that unless it comes from ESL. At 08:22 AM 7/20/2008, you wrote: >He is also providing his phone number in the auction listing, so >anyone could ask questions before bidding -- another plus in his favor. > >I do agree that the PayPal requirement is a bit strange, though. > >But I don't know if I would be so quick to conclude that the deck is >"junk" or "worn out" or that the seller is a "ripoff artist" or >"estate sale tycoon"....... > >Just my thoughts....I do have to admit that I have been very lucky >so far with my eBay purchases (682ZX, four CR-7A's, RX-505, ZX-7, >ZX-9). I haven't been burned yet. > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 21 05:32:37 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:32:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX compared to ZX/CR/ZXL? In-Reply-To: <072020081222.426.48832E0D000A7102000001AA22155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <072120080332.18791.488403550000E3BB0000496722230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Just thought I'd ask. What is your experience with the RX mechanically, electronically and audibly compared to the CR and ZX series? I alway thought the uni-directional set up was very trick, however to replace the compartment belt is a bear. Is there any truth or pure myth? dino -------------- Original message from hwbosshoss at comcast.net: -------------- > Okay, okay, OKAY....I guess I should have been more explicit in my original > post. > > What I should have said: > "I won't be bidding (I have enough of these things already!), but IF THE SELLER IS TO BE BELIEVED, this has to be the nicest one I've seen...it should go for > BIG money" > One thing in his favor is that he doesn't have anything else offered on eBay right now, and he has a very low feedback number but 100% positive feedback, > which would seem to indicate a "non professional" status. > It is interesting that he bought a belt kit for it. I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt. He didn't have to spruce the deck up with new belts and could have sold it "as is" instead of offering a return policy like he is doing, > so I give him points for at least purchasing the parts for it. > He is also providing his phone number in the auction listing, so anyone could > ask questions before bidding -- another plus in his favor. > > I do agree that the PayPal requirement is a bit strange, though. > > But I don't know if I would be so quick to conclude that the deck is "junk" or > "worn out" or that the seller is a "ripoff artist" or "estate sale > tycoon"....... > > Just my thoughts....I do have to admit that I have been very lucky so far with > my eBay purchases (682ZX, four CR-7A's, RX-505, ZX-7, ZX-9). I haven't been > burned yet. > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Jul 21 15:21:42 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:21:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX Series Evaluation Message-ID: <072120081321.17115.48848D6600050F2F000042DB22155754749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Dino wrote: "What is your experience with the RX mechanically, electronically and audibly compared to the CR and ZX series? I alway thought the uni-directional set up was very trick, however to replace the compartment belt is a bear. Is there any truth or pure myth? dino" Hi, Dino: Mechanically, the RX series is extremely reliable. The belt that drives the cassette drawer and cassette flip functions is a bit tricky to replace, but it's not too difficult. You just have to make sure that the gears remain lined up properly at all times. The belt is the same type as the one used in the control mechanism. I have seen control belts stretched to the point where they do not work properly any more, but I have yet to see an RX cassette drawer belt stretched too much (but I always replace this belt anyway). Here's an important note: The RX-505 has exactly the same heads and transport as the 682ZX--the all-time best sounding Nak, in my humble opinion. The 1000ZXL and 700ZXL also have these same heads. As a result, the RX-505's sound quality is light years ahead of the other RX decks (202 and 303). Electronically, the RX series is no more or less troublesome than other Naks, at least in my experience. I have replaced a few components here and there, but nothing that would deserve "lemon" status. *andy* From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Jul 21 16:36:32 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:36:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Unused CR-7A On eBay In-Reply-To: <999982.67808.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20080720190920.IINK2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> <999982.67808.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080721143630.RGDX18077.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Ram, I sometimes see machines on eBay or Audiogon where the seller claims and has proof that their unit was redone by ESL. Some say total restoration and others say tuneup, cleanup and recalibration of all circuits. No matter the depth of work done by ESL, the unit always looks perfect on the outside and I'd assume the same on the inside. This is a saying a lot coming from me because I'm Portuguese and inherently cheap! I watch prices on eBay just for vintage tube tuners from the early 60's and some of the prices astound me. I've seen rebuilt Fisher tuners go for over $1500. The rebuilt required skills and equipment to realign the circuits. I'm just rambling a bit here but the point I'm trying to make is that 45 year old Fisher tuner probably went for $300-400 in its day but sold for 4X for a rebuild. The funny part of those old tube units is that they still looked like someone put together a jigsaw puzzle out of random components! But, they worked well. $3500 for rebuilt 20 year old CR7A ($1700 new) at 2X the original price is probably not too far out of line. The demand is there and will probably continue for some time but I think will not rise sharply because more people are keeping their decks alive thus the supply is still very good. CR7A, the Dragon (this one I do own), 1000, 600, etc,... just are not rare so that's why I believe the cost of rebuilding them will not accelerate greatly over the years. The 1000ZXL and the Limited, well, that's a different story. Perhaps someone might chime in and give us the cost for a then vs. now rebuild they had done from either ESL or their favorite Nakamichi center. Now, the price of audio tapes...that's another story! Simply out of control. >Roland, > >If the CR7A were to come from ESL, it would be worth at least >$3500.00, if not more. > >And, at that price would be worth every penny! Roland From garry at saundersfamily1.com Mon Jul 21 20:14:03 2008 From: garry at saundersfamily1.com (Garry Saunders) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:14:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale Message-ID: <32AEE26BB02742B8AFFA62A44FD9A41E@GARRYESAUNDER> Is it my imagination or was this recent sale an absolute steal? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=250270367730 The deck went for $155.00 including postage. Considering that this deck is one of only 4 Nak decks (and two of those are the CR7 and the dragon) that have playback azimuth control for all those of us with tapes recorded on other machines this seems amazing. Anybody have a view on why this deck went so cheap? A DR1 (the other deck with playback azimuth) went for a helluva lot more than this recently. Cassette Deck 1s rarely come onto the market so this seems all the more surprising. Views anyone? Garry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 22:08:15 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Unused CR-7A On eBay In-Reply-To: <20080721143630.RGDX18077.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <447902.54144.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Unlike on ebay, you get a warranty on a deck you buy from ESL, correct? I should point out that Willy warrantied the deck I bought from him on ebay, but most sellers don't, and try to enforce it if they did. If you are buying a deck to use professionally, you probably want the support behind the deck that ESL will give you since Nakamichi is not going to. Exceptions would be those who know they can support the equipment themselves and have the spare parts needed. David --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Roland wrote: > Ram, > > I sometimes see machines on eBay or Audiogon where the > seller claims > and has proof that their unit was redone by ESL. Some say > total > restoration and others say tuneup, cleanup and > recalibration of all > circuits. No matter the depth of work done by ESL, the > unit always > looks perfect on the outside and I'd assume the same on > the inside. > > This is a saying a lot coming from me because I'm > Portuguese and > inherently cheap! > > I watch prices on eBay just for vintage tube tuners from > the early > 60's and some of the prices astound me. I've seen > rebuilt Fisher > tuners go for over $1500. The rebuilt required skills and > equipment > to realign the circuits. > > I'm just rambling a bit here but the point I'm > trying to make is that > 45 year old Fisher tuner probably went for $300-400 in its > day but > sold for 4X for a rebuild. The funny part of those old > tube units is > that they still looked like someone put together a jigsaw > puzzle out > of random components! But, they worked well. > > $3500 for rebuilt 20 year old CR7A ($1700 new) at 2X the > original > price is probably not too far out of line. The demand is > there and > will probably continue for some time but I think will not > rise > sharply because more people are keeping their decks alive > thus the > supply is still very good. CR7A, the Dragon (this one I do > own), > 1000, 600, etc,... just are not rare so that's why I > believe the cost > of rebuilding them will not accelerate greatly over the > years. The > 1000ZXL and the Limited, well, that's a different > story. > > Perhaps someone might chime in and give us the cost for a > then vs. > now rebuild they had done from either ESL or their favorite > Nakamichi center. > > Now, the price of audio tapes...that's another story! > Simply out of control. > > > >Roland, > > > >If the CR7A were to come from ESL, it would be worth at > least > >$3500.00, if not more. > > > >And, at that price would be worth every penny! > > Roland > > From theshorty at bigpond.com Tue Jul 22 02:04:59 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:04:59 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RX compared to ZX/CR/ZXL? References: <072120080332.18791.488403550000E3BB0000496722230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <003901c8eb8e$94cc75d0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Dino, My experience for what it is worth. Yes, the RX mechanism is a neat trick, but it wasn't absolutely original in concept.. Akai produced a tape deck in the late 60's early 70's that flipped the tape similarly, just did it vertically, not horizontally. Mechanically there are no issues apart from being a pain to repair or replace certain items, principally the auto reverse drive belt as you say!!. You can split the RX's into two groups. The RX303 and 505, both use the 'classic' Nakamichi transport, it is just inverted, and have the same transport issues as any other classic deck, ie: no real drama's if maintained and used. The RX202 uses the single capstan Sankyo transport as per the BX1/2, BX100/150. With this deck you have the additional and perennial idler tire replacement issue, but will be no less reliable than any Sankyo based deck. Having said all that, they are not difficult to work on, just tedious and time consuming to extract the transport. Sonically I group the RX 505 with the older naks, and the RX202 with the newer!!. The best comparison I can make is that the RX505 is really just an LX-5 with auto reverse, the RX303 compares to the LX-3, and are warm full sounding decks compared to the later 'leaner' sounding CR series ( all models). The sonic differences are just my appreciation, and other will have a different opinion so it is always best to see if you can compare yourself. The RX202 is just a BX150 with auto reverse and the two decks sound similar, and compare to the later CR1 and CR2. The RX's are cool looking machines, and the reverse mechanism is a great party trick for sure, and you would be buying a deck for that facility as I don't feel there is any other advantage over and above a conventional Nakamichi. The ZX series is an altogether different kettle of fish.... cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] RX compared to ZX/CR/ZXL? Just thought I'd ask. What is your experience with the RX mechanically, electronically and audibly compared to the CR and ZX series? I alway thought the uni-directional set up was very trick, however to replace the compartment belt is a bear. Is there any truth or pure myth? dino -------------- Original message from hwbosshoss at comcast.net: -------------- > Okay, okay, OKAY....I guess I should have been more explicit in my original > post. > > What I should have said: > "I won't be bidding (I have enough of these things already!), but IF THE SELLER IS TO BE BELIEVED, this has to be the nicest one I've seen...it should go for > BIG money" > One thing in his favor is that he doesn't have anything else offered on eBay right now, and he has a very low feedback number but 100% positive feedback, > which would seem to indicate a "non professional" status. > It is interesting that he bought a belt kit for it. I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt. He didn't have to spruce the deck up with new belts and could have sold it "as is" instead of offering a return policy like he is doing, > so I give him points for at least purchasing the parts for it. > He is also providing his phone number in the auction listing, so anyone could > ask questions before bidding -- another plus in his favor. > > I do agree that the PayPal requirement is a bit strange, though. > > But I don't know if I would be so quick to conclude that the deck is "junk" or > "worn out" or that the seller is a "ripoff artist" or "estate sale > tycoon"....... > > Just my thoughts....I do have to admit that I have been very lucky so far with > my eBay purchases (682ZX, four CR-7A's, RX-505, ZX-7, ZX-9). I haven't been > burned yet. > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.rinewalt at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 07:02:51 2008 From: chris.rinewalt at gmail.com (Chris Rinewalt) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:02:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon output question Message-ID: <79c3cfa80807212202h27c2f067v8b62aebce3ea4b7c@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, I'm the lucky new owner of both a Dragon and a CR-7A that I plan on giving quite a workout while digitally transferring live cassettes from my collection. Once I received both, I decided to do an A/B/C test between them and my previous transfer deck, a Sony TC-WE475. Without a doubt, on the 4 tapes I've tested so far, I can clearly hear a difference between the Naks and the Sony, though on my poorest quality show, not so much. So imagine my surprise when I opened up the resulting .wav file from the transfer in EAC's Wav Processor and looked at the spectral view. The Dragon (dragon-1.jpg, see http://www.thejesuslizard.net/naktest/ for all files) showed a vast amount of white noise above the recorded music. The first CR-7A pass (cr7a-1.jpg) also showed some noise, but not nearly as much- and this noise cleared up a bit when I manually re-adjusted the azimuth (cr7a-2.jpg). Now, compare both of these spectral graphs to a manually azimuth adjusted transfer from the Sony (tcwe475-1.jpg), which showed very little noise, similar to the 2nd CR-7A transfer. It's clear that the Naks have better frequency response, but what I'm wondering is why there is so much noise from the Dragon transfer. All transfers were done with the same tape and song (the CR-7A 2nd transfer was only the first part of the song), to the same sound device (Creative Audigy 2ZS Platinum Pro, external I/O) via the same RCA cable. Both Naks have variable output levels which the Sony does not, so I attempted to match peak dB's as close as I could. I purchased the Dragon from the original owner (he even sent along a copy of the original receipt!) and I have no reason to doubt his claims that it was only used for approximately 30 hrs total, recording and playback. In any event, I did a quick clean of the tape heads, path and demagnetization, and the results were the same. I even flipped the tape over and ran it in reverse to see if there would be a difference in the NAAC, but the noise was still there. Now, it gets slightly more weird. With pre-recorded cassettes, especially the Nakamichi/Sheffield reference tapes the seller included, both Naks absolutely kill the Sony in frequency response and quality (all decks using indicated Dolby B/C). And the Dragon shows a similar amount of, maybe even slightly less, noise than the Sony. I also made a short dub on the Dragon of a pre-recorded tape using manual calibration, and this did not show a great deal of noise (rectest.jpg). So, is there something wrong with my Dragon, or are there some tapes that just aren't suited to this deck? This extra noise on the Dragon transfer isn't terrible, it just seems out of place considering a deck I paid $10 for at the Goodwill doesn't have it. I have also included .flac's of the audio files if interested. And finally, in rectest.jpg, what are those lines in the left channel @ ~ 17.5 and 21 kHz? I know the strong one at the end @ ~ 15 kHz is the bias test tone. Thanks for any help and insight you can offer. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 07:37:27 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX compared to ZX/CR/ZXL? In-Reply-To: <200807211001.m6LA0fi6027013@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <737741.84977.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Dino, Unless Ray comes back in here and says I'm not entitled to an opinion, because my stereo system didn't cost as much as my house.....the short answer is that the RX-505 is a real sleeper in the used Nak line. Shares most of the same electronics of the Dragon and has the advantage of nearly perfect azimuth because of the tape 'flipping', not to mention the beauty of continuous play/record on both sides of the tape. If they could have put more features on this deck, I honestly don't know what that would have been except perhaps, test tones for bias. Yes the 'flip' belt is a bastard, not so much because of access, but the fact that the 10K Alps pot in there has a VERY fragile shaft (inside the pot) and breaks easily if its hit something solid on reassembly of a new belt (ask me how I know and then ask me about your chances in finding a 10K Alps pot). Other than that, the Nak service manual is detailed on how to mesh up the gears properly and then test everything. Overall a very fantastic deck! Kevin Message: 4 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:32:37 +0000 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net Subject: [naktalk] To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Just thought I'd ask. What is your experience with the RX mechanically, electronically and audibly compared to the CR and ZX series? I alway thought the uni-directional set up was very trick, however to replace the compartment belt is a bear. Is there any truth or pure myth? dino From theshorty at bigpond.com Tue Jul 22 13:27:01 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:27:01 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale References: <32AEE26BB02742B8AFFA62A44FD9A41E@GARRYESAUNDER> Message-ID: <00dc01c8ebed$dc826a10$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> MessageGarry, Probably simply because the "Cassette Deck" series are not well appreciated or understood by the general populace.. and some mistakenly regard them as cheapies.. most likely due to the styling which is not to everyones taste. Same goes for the other CD decks. But for those in the know.. a good buy.. as you say, the CD1 and DR1 are essentially the same deck under the skin, as are the CD1.5 and DR2, CD2 and DR3, yet do not command as much money as their younger more conventionally styled brothers. cheers Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Garry Saunders To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:14 AM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale Is it my imagination or was this recent sale an absolute steal? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250270367730 The deck went for $155.00 including postage. Considering that this deck is one of only 4 Nak decks (and two of those are the CR7 and the dragon) that have playback azimuth control for all those of us with tapes recorded on other machines this seems amazing. Anybody have a view on why this deck went so cheap? A DR1 (the other deck with playback azimuth) went for a helluva lot more than this recently. Cassette Deck 1s rarely come onto the market so this seems all the more surprising. Views anyone? Garry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Tue Jul 22 14:19:40 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:19:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Noises ? Message-ID: <481B593100043D22@mail-6-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Chris, You've stumbled on something technologically interesting. Comparing decks is interesting as such, but interpreting the diagrams of yours adds interest. First, I've trouble in reading the pictures. It is a time-line analysis of output level, I conclude. What the colors represent is unknown to me, but it might represent the spectral characteristics of the signal in some way. Second, The Dragon seems to create some additional 'noise' as you call it on top of the signal traces. If this is an output trace, this additional 'noise' represents high level signal. The low density of its coloring suggests an intermitting or discontinuous pattern to me. Third, to see the real signal put a spectral analyser at these signals to view the differences in output spectrum at each moment in time. The difference might be something that is generated that triggers the ADC in the computer to generate spurious digital pulses. For example the ADC may be overloaded with high frequency content. If this is the case you have adjusted the CR7 out of it's best position to suppress it's output 'noise' on its second graph! And the Dragon is probably best in reproducing the recorded noise on the tape! Bear in mind the IEC standard of Nak's are different from Sony's! So the Naks will output much more high frequency signal then sony and therefor wil generate more of the recorded noise from the tapes. You could test this hypothesis by introducing a noise filter (MPX might do) in the line from cassette deck and see if matters change. As high quality tapes and it's own recordings don't show this additional 'noise' I doubt whether the Dragon is at fault here. For digital transfer of old tapes I would opt for the Sony, as most likely its IEC standard will match the tapes better then Nak. (Assuming most tapes are not recorded on Naks) The 17.5 and 21 kHz lines beside the 15kHz are probably test tones also. The Dragon has advanced calibrating system that might use these very high frequencies. I would look at the tech.manual to confer this. I Like to see what others think. Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:02:51 -0800 >From: "Chris Rinewalt" >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon output question >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: > <79c3cfa80807212202h27c2f067v8b62aebce3ea4b7c at mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hello all, >I'm the lucky new owner of both a Dragon and a CR-7A that I plan on giving >quite a workout while digitally transferring live cassettes from my >collection. Once I received both, I decided to do an A/B/C test between them >and my previous transfer deck, a Sony TC-WE475. Without a doubt, on the 4 >tapes I've tested so far, I can clearly hear a difference between the Naks >and the Sony, though on my poorest quality show, not so much. So imagine >my >surprise when I opened up the resulting .wav file from the transfer in EAC's >Wav Processor and looked at the spectral view. The Dragon (dragon-1.jpg, >see >http://www.thejesuslizard.net/naktest/ for all files) showed a vast amount >of white noise above the recorded music. The first CR-7A pass (cr7a-1.jpg) >also showed some noise, but not nearly as much- and this noise cleared up >a >bit when I manually re-adjusted the azimuth (cr7a-2.jpg). Now, compare >both of these spectral graphs to a manually azimuth adjusted transfer from >the Sony (tcwe475-1.jpg), which showed very little noise, similar to the >2nd CR-7A transfer. It's clear that the Naks have >better frequency response, but what I'm wondering is why there >is so much noise from the Dragon transfer. All transfers were done with >the same tape and song (the CR-7A 2nd transfer was only the first part >of the song), to the same sound device (Creative Audigy 2ZS Platinum Pro, >external I/O) via the same RCA cable. Both Naks have variable output levels >which the Sony does not, so I attempted to match peak dB's as close as I >could. I purchased the Dragon from the original owner (he even sent along >a >copy of the original receipt!) and I have no reason to doubt his claims that >it was only used for approximately 30 hrs total, recording and playback. >In >any event, I did a quick clean of the tape heads, path and demagnetization, >and the results were the same. I even flipped the tape over and ran it in >reverse to see if there would be a difference in the NAAC, but the noise >was >still there. > >Now, it gets slightly more weird. With pre-recorded cassettes, especially >the Nakamichi/Sheffield reference tapes the seller included, both Naks >absolutely kill the Sony in frequency response and quality (all decks using >indicated Dolby B/C). And the Dragon shows a similar amount of, maybe even >slightly less, noise than the Sony. I also made a short dub on the Dragon >of >a pre-recorded tape using manual calibration, and this did not show a great >deal of noise (rectest.jpg). > >So, is there something wrong with my Dragon, or are there some tapes that >just aren't suited to this deck? This extra noise on the Dragon transfer >isn't terrible, it just seems out of place considering a deck I paid $10 >for at the Goodwill doesn't have it. I have also included .flac's of the >audio files if interested. > >And finally, in rectest.jpg, what are those lines in the left channel @ ~ >17.5 and 21 kHz? I know the strong one at the end @ ~ 15 kHz is the bias >test tone. > >Thanks for any help and insight you can offer. > >Chris From greynlds at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 14:25:22 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:25:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale In-Reply-To: <32AEE26BB02742B8AFFA62A44FD9A41E@GARRYESAUNDER> References: <32AEE26BB02742B8AFFA62A44FD9A41E@GARRYESAUNDER> Message-ID: I can come up with at least 3 reasons right away: 1) The seller only has 2 feedbacks, so hasn't established much of a track record. 2) The description is pretty minimal, poorly worded, and the 2 pictures aren't very good. 3) Based on the discussions here, the Cassette Deck 1 doesn't seem to be very popular. -- Geoffrey Reynolds On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Garry Saunders wrote: > Is it my imagination or was this recent sale an absolute steal? > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250270367730 > > The deck went for $155.00 including postage. Considering that this deck is > one of only 4 Nak decks (and two of those are the CR7 and the dragon) that > have playback azimuth control for all those of us with tapes recorded on > other machines this seems amazing. > > Anybody have a view on why this deck went so cheap? A DR1 (the other deck > with playback azimuth) went for a helluva lot more than this recently. > Cassette Deck 1s rarely come onto the market so this seems all the more > surprising. > > Views anyone? > > > Garry > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Jul 22 19:32:15 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:32:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale In-Reply-To: <00dc01c8ebed$dc826a10$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> References: <32AEE26BB02742B8AFFA62A44FD9A41E@GARRYESAUNDER> <00dc01c8ebed$dc826a10$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: <2a4401c8ec20$e3819c90$aa84d5b0$@com> I don't know because I have never seen them, but I recall a posting many moons ago where one of our members said that, while the CD1 and DR1 are essentially the same, the former was built to a higher standard. I also seem to recall he thought this showed in the sound production, too, and recommended that, given the choice between two of a similar condition, he'd choose the CD1 every time. May be worth trawling the archive to find this post and any associated with it as there may be more information about why he (and others, I think) reached this conclusion. I also seem to remember that there was one significant difference between them, that the CD was made in Japan while the DRs were made in Singapore - others may correct me on this - where the implication was that anything made in Japan was more assuredly better made with higher quality controls. Maybe. I don't know, but I do recall something similar was said about one of the cassette brands, when manufacturing was moved from Japan. I make no recommendation other than to look up that post. (I did have it but lost most of my Nak archive when my last PC died.) When the CD range were first released, one of the English hi fi journalists took the p#ss out of them, suggesting Nak had run out of ideas for names! Maybe he had a point! Gra' Graham Nelson From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Martin & Karen Short Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:27 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale Garry, Probably simply because the "Cassette Deck" series are not well appreciated or understood by the general populace.. and some mistakenly regard them as cheapies.. most likely due to the styling which is not to everyones taste. Same goes for the other CD decks. But for those in the know.. a good buy.. as you say, the CD1 and DR1 are essentially the same deck under the skin, as are the CD1.5 and DR2, CD2 and DR3, yet do not command as much money as their younger more conventionally styled brothers. cheers Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jldcat at yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 16:54:55 2008 From: jldcat at yahoo.com (John DeVore) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale In-Reply-To: <32AEE26BB02742B8AFFA62A44FD9A41E@GARRYESAUNDER> Message-ID: <38466.31363.qm@web50106.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It's purely the styling. The CD series simply don't look like Naks. I scored a CD-1 for around $170 with shipping recently for the exact reason you mention, adjustable playback azimuth. It isn't as nice a deck as my LX-5, but it's the perfect thing for all the tapes I have that were recorded on other machines. And built like a tank. --- On Mon, 7/21/08, Garry Saunders wrote: > From: Garry Saunders > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 2:14 PM > Is it my imagination or was this recent sale an absolute > steal? > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > > &item=250270367730 > > The deck went for $155.00 including postage. Considering > that this deck > is one of only 4 Nak decks (and two of those are the CR7 > and the > dragon) that have playback azimuth control for all those > of us with > tapes recorded on other machines this seems amazing. > > Anybody have a view on why this deck went so cheap? A DR1 > (the other > deck with playback azimuth) went for a helluva lot more > than this > recently. Cassette Deck 1s rarely come onto the market so > this seems all > the more surprising. > > Views anyone? > > > Garry > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From tl at thisispop.com Tue Jul 22 17:36:54 2008 From: tl at thisispop.com (Tony Lowe) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:36:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 Capstan Motor? Message-ID: Hi, My dad recently gave me his old BX-100. The idler tire was fried, so I replaced it. But now I¹ve discovered that the tape plays almost double speed too fast! I disassembled a few things poking around ­ is it possible I wound a belt incorrectly? The guy I bought the tire from said it was a problem with the capstan motor. What is that, and is it tweakable, or should I just replace it? Thanks so much! Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 22 17:44:55 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:44:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX compared to ZX/CR/ZXL? Message-ID: <27451090.1216741495578.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Kevin and all, The 10K alps pot is the same used in the 480 or any classic mechanism. Buy a parts donor! tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Fetner >Sent: Jul 22, 2008 12:37 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX compared to ZX/CR/ZXL? > >Dino, >Unless Ray comes back in here and says I'm not entitled to an opinion, because my stereo system didn't cost as much as my house.....the short answer is that the RX-505 is a real sleeper in the used Nak line. Shares most of the same electronics of the Dragon and has the advantage of nearly perfect azimuth because of the tape 'flipping', not to mention the beauty of continuous play/record on both sides of the tape. If they could have put more features on this deck, I honestly don't know what that would have been except perhaps, test tones for bias. > >Yes the 'flip' belt is a bastard, not so much because of access, but the fact that the 10K Alps pot in there has a VERY fragile shaft (inside the pot) and breaks easily if its hit something solid on reassembly of a new belt (ask me how I know and then ask me about your chances in finding a 10K Alps pot). Other than that, the Nak service manual is detailed on how to mesh up the gears properly and then test everything. Overall a very fantastic deck! > >Kevin > > >Message: 4 >Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:32:37 +0000 >From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net >Subject: [naktalk] >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Message-ID: > >Just thought I'd ask. What is your experience with the RX mechanically, electronically and audibly compared to the CR and ZX series? I alway thought the uni-directional set up was very trick, however to replace the compartment belt is a bear. Is there any truth or pure myth? dino > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 22 17:54:34 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:54:34 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon output question Message-ID: <3328794.1216742074167.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 20:12:50 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale Message-ID: <682590.54788.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 7/22/08, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 2:11 PM Fortunately I had gone through both the models - repairing them ! The build Quality in terms of inside components -Both are different from BX series decks and a bit inferior. I would say the DR1 /2 had different sound than CD1/1.5  - probably due to components? - I could not decide which is better. DR1 /2 had little drooping HF compared to CD1/1.5 but components were almost same. I could see some circuit changes ( different transistors) but essentially they share same design. They generally have Electrolytic cap failures in mother board showing nakmichi had to rely upon inferior suppliers by the time of their Production! Sound quality is almost Nakamichi in terms of Play/record performance - can compare well with CR3. BX300 is infact better sounding due to DD motor and consequent lower wow and flutter. I would definitely recommend rarer Cassette Deck 1.5 due to bit better sound than DR1/CD1 - I do not know why - probably due to fixed play output.  I do not consider either of them (CD1 /DR1)better than the other - but I often find DR1 gets better price than CD1 on US ebay auctions. I would like to keep atleast one CD1 ( due to lower price) just to play tapes due to manual azimuth adjust feature. This Deck is definitely a must just for this single facility. kannan  --- On Tue, 7/22/08, Graham A Nelson wrote: From: Graham A Nelson Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 1:32 PM I don’t know because I have never seen them, but I recall a posting many moons ago where one of our members said that, while the CD1 and DR1 are essentially the same, the former was built to a higher standard.  I also seem to recall he thought this showed in the sound production, too, and recommended that, given the choice between two of a similar condition, he’d choose the CD1 every time.  May be worth trawling the archive to find this post and any associated with it as there may be more information about why he (and others, I think) reached this conclusion.  I also seem to remember that there was one significant difference between them, that the CD was made in Japan while the DRs were made in Singapore  – others may correct me on this – where the implication was that anything made in Japan was more assuredly better made with higher quality controls.  Maybe.  I don’t know, but I do recall something similar was said about one of the cassette brands, when manufacturing was moved from Japan.  I make no recommendation other than to look up that post.  (I did have it but lost most of my Nak archive when my last PC died.)   When the CD range were first released, one of the English hi fi journalists took the p#ss out of them, suggesting Nak had run out of ideas for names!  Maybe he had a point! Gra' Graham Nelson From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Martin & Karen Short Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:27 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale   Garry,   Probably simply because the "Cassette Deck" series are not well appreciated or understood by the general populace.. and some mistakenly regard them as cheapies.. most likely  due to the styling  which  is not to everyones taste. Same goes for the other CD decks. But for those in the know.. a good buy.. as you say, the CD1 and DR1 are essentially the same deck under the skin, as are the CD1.5 and DR2, CD2 and DR3, yet do not command as much money as their younger more conventionally styled brothers.   cheers   Martin  ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 22 21:00:02 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:00:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 Capstan Motor? 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URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Wed Jul 23 01:15:31 2008 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:15:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 and AKAI Flip Message-ID: <072220082315.22922.48866A13000C8B800000598A2216527966CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> Yes, I believe it was 1972, Akai had the GXC-65D Invert-O-Matic which flipped the tape horizontally, very innovative for 1972. http://blackswampaudio.smugmug.com/gallery/866528_7xNhd#39086055_5FzZS Ray From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 02:40:30 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale In-Reply-To: <32AEE26BB02742B8AFFA62A44FD9A41E@GARRYESAUNDER> Message-ID: <210024.15773.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Garry, I have a CD-1 that I bought off e-bay a few years ago for about the same price (a few dollars more). It works flawlessly and sounds great! That playback azimuth has come in very handy a few times playing back old tapes. I think it's a very valuable feature. I have a few old tapes from the 70's that can only sound decent on the CD-1 due to this feature. Just for that feature, I would have paid quite a bit more, but bidding never got that high so good for me. I would recommend everyone have a deck with this feature if you have older tapes or play tapes recorded on "other" machines. Yes I think under $200 is a good price! I also like the "scan" feature that the cassette deck series has. Bob N Garry Saunders wrote: Message Is it my imagination or was this recent sale an absolute steal? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250270367730 The deck went for $155.00 including postage. Considering that this deck is one of only 4 Nak decks (and two of those are the CR7 and the dragon) that have playback azimuth control for all those of us with tapes recorded on other machines this seems amazing. Anybody have a view on why this deck went so cheap? A DR1 (the other deck with playback azimuth) went for a helluva lot more than this recently. Cassette Deck 1s rarely come onto the market so this seems all the more surprising. Views anyone? Garry ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 02:44:42 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale In-Reply-To: <00dc01c8ebed$dc826a10$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: <96070.19606.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Martin, I have the CD-1, CD-1.5, and CD-2. I like them all. (the 1.5 was my first Nak!) Even the CD-2 two head deck sounds very good and I use it in the bedroom and have used it by the pool and in the garage. The CD-2 can be bought for under $100.00! A great deck for the price! Bob N Martin & Karen Short wrote:Message Garry, Probably simply because the "Cassette Deck" series are not well appreciated or understood by the general populace.. and some mistakenly regard them as cheapies.. most likely due to the styling which is not to everyones taste. Same goes for the other CD decks. But for those in the know.. a good buy.. as you say, the CD1 and DR1 are essentially the same deck under the skin, as are the CD1.5 and DR2, CD2 and DR3, yet do not command as much money as their younger more conventionally styled brothers. cheers Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Garry Saunders To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:14 AM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale Is it my imagination or was this recent sale an absolute steal? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250270367730 The deck went for $155.00 including postage. Considering that this deck is one of only 4 Nak decks (and two of those are the CR7 and the dragon) that have playback azimuth control for all those of us with tapes recorded on other machines this seems amazing. Anybody have a view on why this deck went so cheap? A DR1 (the other deck with playback azimuth) went for a helluva lot more than this recently. Cassette Deck 1s rarely come onto the market so this seems all the more surprising. Views anyone? Garry ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Jul 23 05:20:37 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:20:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Of All The Nerve...... Message-ID: <072320080320.24702.4886A38500012FB70000607E22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, let me get this straight. You have a Nakamichi TA-4A STASIS receiver in decent cosmetic condition, except for the obvious flaw: It's missing the master volume knob! You take it to one of those $%&*@ "let us auction it for you" places. And you expect to sell this piece of audio gear "in great condition" with a STARTING BID OF $324.99??!?!?!? Whoops...I forgot to mention...there's no reserve! Oh, that makes things MUCH more reasonable! Good luck, pal. http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-TA-4A-HD-Stereo-Receiver-Tuner-Amplifier_W0QQitemZ280249081017QQihZ018QQcategoryZ14973QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From chris.rinewalt at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 08:21:59 2008 From: chris.rinewalt at gmail.com (Chris Rinewalt) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:21:59 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Noises Message-ID: <79c3cfa80807222321l7e5ef912ja9f08f1768491309@mail.gmail.com> Hello Henk, Thanks for your reply. Sorry for the strange format of this reply. I have my subcription set to digest and haven't yet received my daily email. Sorry about that lack of information. EAC (Exact Audio Copy) is a program used to rip the audio from redbook cd's, and is one of the most widely used in live music trading circles. Built into the program are a variety of other small applications, one of which is a wav processor, which displays the spectrogram which is shown in the screenshots. And yes, time is on the x-axis, frequency is on the y-axis and the color of the peaks represents their strength. Black is no amplitude/volume, blue is low volume/noise and the warmer the color, the higher the amplitude (red->orange->yellow). Unfortunately, I do not have a spectrum analyzer that I can use to measure the signal directly at the Dragon output, but I do understand where you are going with that suggestion. If it's not there, then it must be something generated by the digital capture. I did think along the same lines as you regarding the increase in high frequencies and relating this to the increased noise. But there were a couple things going against that theory. The first is that noise is there pretty much throughout spectrum, as low as 8 kHz. Also, try as I might, adjusting the CR-7A throughout the azimuth range, I could not replicate that large amount of noise. So either the Dragon is doing a far superior job at outputting the higher frequencies than even the CR-7A, or something else is going on. It's not that there is noise, which is expected, but that for some reason it's of a greater amplitude (red dots) than that output by the other decks. Please see my reply to Tom's message for more detail and spectrogram displays. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.rinewalt at gmail.com Wed Jul 23 08:23:43 2008 From: chris.rinewalt at gmail.com (Chris Rinewalt) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:23:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon output question Message-ID: <79c3cfa80807222323q6a791b2vb0aff0313a43b0b4@mail.gmail.com> Hello Tom, Thank you for your reply as well. Sorry for the strange format of this reply. I have my subcription set to digest and haven't yet received my daily email. That's an excellent test, and I have uploaded the correspoding spectrograms to my webspace, http://www.thejesuslizard.net/naktest/ . All spectrograms are Dolby off->stop (black space)->Dolby C on. As can be seen, the baseline for the Sony deck (tcwe no tape.jpg) shows none of the curious louder noise (red dot) that the Dragon is showing. The CR-7A (cr7a no tape.jpg) also does well. Keeping in mind that the Sony has fixed amplitude output, I lowered the output knob on the Nak decks to approximate the levels output by the sony. When this is done, the noise levels of the CR-7A (cr7a low level no tape.jpg) is even better. Now then, when it comes to the Dragon, it shows those red dots (indicating increased noise) on the non Dolby portion that were present on the transfer indicated in my first post. This noise seems greatest above 15 kHz. Then, when I lowered the output (dragon low level no tape.jpg) to approximate the Sony output, the noise seemed to disappear and the spectrogram is similar to the other two decks. I do have a friend that also has a Dragon and a CR-7A. I will ask him to do the same test and see what his spectrograms show. So given all this, does it appear that the orange caps in my unit need replacing? If so, what seems to be the going rate for performing this service, and are there any qualified Nak repair techs on the west coast, preferably in California? The Dragon is a 1985 model, so I had the sneaking suspicion something might go wrong with it shortly after I purchased it. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Jul 23 12:09:07 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:09:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale In-Reply-To: <210024.15773.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <32AEE26BB02742B8AFFA62A44FD9A41E@GARRYESAUNDER> <210024.15773.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2d6501c8ecac$262d9270$7288b750$@com> I have said before, the azimuth adjustment is only really good for tapes recorded on other machines. For faded tapes an equaliser could be better (if used properly) or better still, a Pioneer deck using the FLEX circuit that will do the equalisation for you very effectively - it even adjust while the music in real time, which would be require very nimble fingers and ears if using an equaliser! If you don't like the performance of a Pioneer otherwise I suppose you could always pass the signal from the Nak through the loop of a Pioneer into your amp. (Incidentally, the w/f spec for the Pioneer CTS830S is supposed to be 0.023% WRMS .. Hmmm .. ) Graham From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:41 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale Garry, I have a CD-1 that I bought off e-bay a few years ago for about the same price (a few dollars more). It works flawlessly and sounds great! That playback azimuth has come in very handy a few times playing back old tapes. I think it's a very valuable feature. I have a few old tapes from the 70's that can only sound decent on the CD-1 due to this feature. Just for that feature, I would have paid quite a bit more, but bidding never got that high so good for me. I would recommend everyone have a deck with this feature if you have older tapes or play tapes recorded on "other" machines. Yes I think under $200 is a good price! I also like the "scan" feature that the cassette deck series has. Bob N -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Jul 23 13:07:53 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:07:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Of All The Nerve...... In-Reply-To: <072320080320.24702.4886A38500012FB70000607E22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <072320080320.24702.4886A38500012FB70000607E22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2da501c8ecb4$5b53b4e0$11fb1ea0$@com> Andy Perhaps the decimal point dropped into the wrong place! ;o) Gra' Graham Nelson -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 4:21 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Of All The Nerve...... OK, let me get this straight. You have a Nakamichi TA-4A STASIS receiver in decent cosmetic condition, except for the obvious flaw: It's missing the master volume knob! You take it to one of those $%&*@ "let us auction it for you" places. And you expect to sell this piece of audio gear "in great condition" with a STARTING BID OF $324.99??!?!?!? Whoops...I forgot to mention...there's no reserve! Oh, that makes things MUCH more reasonable! Good luck, pal. http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-TA-4A-HD-Stereo-Receiver-Tuner-Amplifier_W0QQi temZ280249081017QQihZ018QQcategoryZ14973QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte m *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Jul 24 10:14:28 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:14:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Belts In-Reply-To: <072320080320.24702.4886A38500012FB70000607E22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <072320080320.24702.4886A38500012FB70000607E22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <014001c8ed65$4d368e80$e7a3ab80$@com> Has anyone sourced belts from these people? http://www.vintage-electronics.cc/nakamichikits.html Graham From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Jul 24 11:01:32 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:01:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Belts In-Reply-To: <014001c8ed65$4d368e80$e7a3ab80$@com> References: <072320080320.24702.4886A38500012FB70000607E22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <014001c8ed65$4d368e80$e7a3ab80$@com> Message-ID: Hi Graham, They sell only the generic PRB brand belts. I'd rather buy Nakamichi belts from Fred. On Jul 24, 2008, at 3:14 AM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > Has anyone sourced belts from these people? > > http://www.vintage-electronics.cc/nakamichikits.html > > > Graham -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Jul 24 12:15:15 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:15:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sacrilege? In-Reply-To: References: <072320080320.24702.4886A38500012FB70000607E22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <014001c8ed65$4d368e80$e7a3ab80$@com> Message-ID: <02c501c8ed76$2bfaa6f0$83eff4d0$@com> Take a look-see @ http://www.moorestevie.com/press/mythos.html and esp. the article Cassetricity by John Oswald. Note in particular the bit which reads, "Ken Oba shakes my bare hand with his sheathed one. No doubt this glove will be discarded before touching any of the Nakamichi real-time-recorded, direct-from-digital metal cassettes he is proudly describing to me. A cloned master recording of Joe Williams & His Blues All-Stars moans softly in the background. The original-once-removed clone is being fed in decoded analog form to thirty-two Nakamichi ZX-9 recording cassette decks, the decoder a deleted Sony product which has been fastidiously reworked and repackaged under the Nakamichi name. " What?! Nakamichi were cloning ANALOGUE cassettes from DIGITAL sources?? AND they were using a re-vamped Sony decoder, and a deleted one at that??? I am SOOOO disappointed! Those paragons of virtue exposed as Charlatans... What else did they nick from Sony and re-badge?? (Jeff G, are you reading this? Did you buy that Sony/Nakamichi decoder at the same time you bought those ZX9's?? Come on, now - be Georgie Washington and own up if you did!) I am not sure I can even TOUCH my ZX9 now I find it may have been sullied by a hand that touched a Sony ... even if it were wearing a glove... (Offers over $4k will be considered very seriously!!!) ;o) Gra' Graham Nelson -----Original Message----- From: Kermit Gray [mailto:notarbene at kvglabs.com] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:02 AM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Belts Hi Graham, They sell only the generic PRB brand belts. I'd rather buy Nakamichi belts from Fred. On Jul 24, 2008, at 3:14 AM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > Has anyone sourced belts from these people? > > http://www.vintage-electronics.cc/nakamichikits.html > > > Graham -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jul 23 17:02:17 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:02:17 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale Message-ID: <32051956.1216825337740.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can't say I've ever critically listend to one. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Graham A Nelson >Sent: Jul 24, 2008 5:15 AM >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: [naktalk] Sacrilege? > >Take a look-see @ http://www.moorestevie.com/press/mythos.html and esp. the >article Cassetricity by John Oswald. Note in particular the bit which >reads, "Ken Oba shakes my bare hand with his sheathed one. No doubt this >glove will be discarded before touching any of the Nakamichi >real-time-recorded, direct-from-digital metal cassettes he is proudly >describing to me. A cloned master recording of Joe Williams & His Blues >All-Stars moans softly in the background. The original-once-removed clone is >being fed in decoded analog form to thirty-two Nakamichi ZX-9 recording >cassette decks, the decoder a deleted Sony product which has been >fastidiously reworked and repackaged under the Nakamichi name. " > >What?! Nakamichi were cloning ANALOGUE cassettes from DIGITAL sources?? >AND they were using a re-vamped Sony decoder, and a deleted one at that??? >I am SOOOO disappointed! Those paragons of virtue exposed as Charlatans... >What else did they nick from Sony and re-badge?? (Jeff G, are you reading >this? Did you buy that Sony/Nakamichi decoder at the same time you bought >those ZX9's?? Come on, now - be Georgie Washington and own up if you did!) > > >I am not sure I can even TOUCH my ZX9 now I find it may have been sullied by >a hand that touched a Sony ... even if it were wearing a glove... > >(Offers over $4k will be considered very seriously!!!) > >;o) > >Gra' >Graham Nelson > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kermit Gray [mailto:notarbene at kvglabs.com] >Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:02 AM >To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Belts > >Hi Graham, > >They sell only the generic PRB brand belts. I'd rather buy Nakamichi >belts from Fred. > >On Jul 24, 2008, at 3:14 AM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > >> Has anyone sourced belts from these people? >> >> http://www.vintage-electronics.cc/nakamichikits.html >> >> >> Graham > > >-- Kermit Gray >notarbene at kvglabs.com >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to Make Your Music Better >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >Telephone: 913-422-0957 >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From huck at cogeco.ca Wed Jul 23 22:39:16 2008 From: huck at cogeco.ca (huck at cogeco.ca) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:39:16 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette LED for Nak RX-202 Message-ID: <488796F4.00000A.04708@PC> Hi: I am looking for a replacement LED for my Nak RX-202 cassette deck. This pic shows the part I need, preferably the whole unit with wiring and plug. Thanks, Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BackGrnd1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cat_side_en.gif Type: image/gif Size: 41190 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You shouldn't have had to touch the capstan belt when you replaced the idler tire. The belt should simply be positioned around the large capstan flywheel and then around the small capstan motor pulley with NO twists...it should be flat all the way around. The speed of the capstan motor IS tweakable. You need to have a small flathead screwdriver to adjust the speed. Now, the absolute correct way to adjust the speed is with the proper Nakamichi speed calibration tape and a frequency counter, but you can also do this reasonably well by ear. There is an opening in the back of the motor. This opening has a black plastic "curtain" that closes it off. Push the screwdriver through the hole in the "curtain" and gently feel around until you feel the screwdriver fit into the slot of the motor speed control. While the deck is in Play mode, gently turn the speed control until you like what you hear. One more thing: If you are using one of those all-metal precision screwdrivers, be careful not to let it touch any of the components inside the deck. Good Luck! *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Jul 23 15:30:46 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:30:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 Capstan Motor? Message-ID: <072320081330.451.48873286000EB9E2000001C322155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Tom wrote: "With no cassette loaded, remove the cassette cover, close the door and press play. Confirm that the pinch roller is pressing against the capstan. Perhaps the pressure spring is out of place on the pinch arm?" Hi, Again, Tony: I didn't read your original post well enough. I didn't realize that the cassette was playing almost TWICE as fast as it should be playing. Tom's suggestion to check the action of the pinch roller is right on the money. If the pinch roller fails to press against the capstan firmly enough, you will absolutely get the super-fast speed during Play that you describe. Verify that the pinch roller is pivoting into place before doing ANYTHING else. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu Jul 24 14:10:23 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:10:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... Message-ID: <072420081210.4739.4888712F00012DB20000128322165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I have a 700ZXL deck that is possessed by the devil. (Maybe I should call it a 666ZXHELL instead!) When it was sent to me, the customer stated that "the left channel won't play". Fair enough--I plugged the deck in and found that this was indeed the case. No audio at all in the headphone jack OR in the line outputs, with Dolby on or off. (Right channel is fine.) Well, I THOROUGHLY analyzed the playback/Dolby board and the related circuitry and found nothing. In fact, I took the playback board out and tested it in another 700ZXL...it worked perfectly. So then I decided to measure the resistance of the playback head itself. BINGO. One side of the head measured approximately 202 ohms, but the other side measured open circuit (no reading). I remove the head block and take another reading directly at the head contacts and get the same results....open circuit on one side, the other side gets around 202 ohms. So, thinking I had nailed the problem, I asked the customer to send me another playback head from his stock of parts decks. Since he had a donor 700ZXL, this was no problem. I get the replacement head and, out of curiosity, decide to measure its resistance prior to installing it. Once again, one set of contacts measures open circuit while the other set measures approximately 202 ohms. And yes, I measured at the head contacts and got the same results. Out of desperation, I install the head anyway...you guessed it, no output in the left channel again! I should point out that the other 700ZXL in my possession measures approximately 202 ohms on BOTH sets of contacts and plays fine. What's going on? Could I really be the victim of TWO bad playback heads? Or is there some massive obvious thing I'm overlooking? I have also checked the following: I have thoroughly cleaned the pin connections for ALL of the plug-in boards. I have cleaned the relay contacts for both of the relays on the main board. I have re-soldered the pin contact connections for the playback head AND for the playback board itself. I have taken readings at the outputs of the playback board during playback..., as you might expect, there is indeed only a trickle of voltage coming from the left channel output, which can be traced all the way up to the playback head connector. I am seriously contemplating ZXL homicide here. What's going on? *andy* From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jul 24 15:48:19 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sacrilege? In-Reply-To: <02c501c8ed76$2bfaa6f0$83eff4d0$@com> Message-ID: <51628.66151.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra some (naktalker) will vouch for the sound that passed through ZX 9 had improved the Digital original! That is the purpose of using SONY (Decoder and probably Sony Digital recorder using Anlog tape) kannan --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Graham A Nelson wrote: From: Graham A Nelson Subject: [naktalk] Sacrilege? To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 6:15 AM Take a look-see @ http://www.moorestevie.com/press/mythos.html and esp. the article Cassetricity by John Oswald. Note in particular the bit which reads, "Ken Oba shakes my bare hand with his sheathed one. No doubt this glove will be discarded before touching any of the Nakamichi real-time-recorded, direct-from-digital metal cassettes he is proudly describing to me. A cloned master recording of Joe Williams & His Blues All-Stars moans softly in the background. The original-once-removed clone is being fed in decoded analog form to thirty-two Nakamichi ZX-9 recording cassette decks, the decoder a deleted Sony product which has been fastidiously reworked and repackaged under the Nakamichi name. " What?! Nakamichi were cloning ANALOGUE cassettes from DIGITAL sources?? AND they were using a re-vamped Sony decoder, and a deleted one at that??? I am SOOOO disappointed! Those paragons of virtue exposed as Charlatans... What else did they nick from Sony and re-badge?? (Jeff G, are you reading this? Did you buy that Sony/Nakamichi decoder at the same time you bought those ZX9's?? Come on, now - be Georgie Washington and own up if you did!) I am not sure I can even TOUCH my ZX9 now I find it may have been sullied by a hand that touched a Sony ... even if it were wearing a glove... (Offers over $4k will be considered very seriously!!!) ;o) Gra' Graham Nelson -----Original Message----- From: Kermit Gray [mailto:notarbene at kvglabs.com] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:02 AM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Belts Hi Graham, They sell only the generic PRB brand belts. I'd rather buy Nakamichi belts from Fred. On Jul 24, 2008, at 3:14 AM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > Has anyone sourced belts from these people? > > http://www.vintage-electronics.cc/nakamichikits.html > > > Graham -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <855251.30731.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi friends,   I have a Dragon( serial number in the 23-24000s) which at times( whenever it feels like) does an autostop on the forward play and forward fast modes as soon as I press the respective buttons. The right reel hub and the capstans do engage on play but the moment the heads reach the tape and I see the LED light up, the tape is stopped and the deck either stops or goes into the reverse mode play depending upon the mode set in auto reverse. Of course when this occurs, recording is out of question, as the tape is stopped.   This phenomenon happens at random and  whether a tape is inserted or not. So it is not a tape related issue.   This problem will be there for a few days and then all of a sudden all is well and the deck will play perfect for hours with no issue at all. No tape eating at all. Then in a few weeks/days, the forward mode will do the same all over again. I can never predict when this will happen.   Any and all ideas will be welcomed with gratitude.   Regards, Ram       -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 14:43:15 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: RX compared to ZX/CR/ZXL? In-Reply-To: <200807231001.m6NA0Xm9027029@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <718927.42502.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hey Tom, LOL....as I told you in email yesterday (your reply came to my email not from naktalk), you had suggested originally the wrong deck to me for a parts donor (I bought one on ebay) and that one didn't have the 10K Alps pot. When I told you that on naktalk, you sent me the pot for $7.50. The pot went in, all is well here.;-) Kevin Message: 7 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:44:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Tom Brucker Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: RX compared to ZX/CR/ZXL? To: shoeihell at yahoo.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <27451090.1216741495578.JavaMail.root at mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Kevin and all, The 10K alps pot is the same used in the 480 or any classic mechanism. Buy a parts donor! tom brucker From theshorty at bigpond.com Wed Jul 23 12:53:36 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:53:36 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 and AKAI Flip References: <072220082315.22922.48866A13000C8B800000598A2216527966CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00fb01c8ecb2$5bd245a0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Yes Ray, that is the beast.. ended up with my friends Mum.. wonder where it is now!! The tape was pushed back flipped, then drawn back in. It was fascinating to watch. The RX's are a bit more 'interesting' in that the draw mechansim suddenly shoots out startling more than one guest at chez short! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 and AKAI Flip > Yes, I believe it was 1972, Akai had the GXC-65D Invert-O-Matic which > flipped the tape horizontally, very innovative for 1972. > > http://blackswampaudio.smugmug.com/gallery/866528_7xNhd#39086055_5FzZS > > > > Ray > > From theshorty at bigpond.com Wed Jul 23 12:58:36 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:58:36 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale References: <96070.19606.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010501c8ecb3$0eae8a80$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> MessageHi Bob, Yes, have a nice condition CD-2 myself, and I don't mind the the quirky/arty or scifi type styling, but it does look out of place with the other's.. hence it's use in the bedroom!. A surprisingly good sounding machine, and I wouldn't mind a CD-1 myself, but have only ever seen one for sale in Oz, and none in NZ. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale Martin, I have the CD-1, CD-1.5, and CD-2. I like them all. (the 1.5 was my first Nak!) Even the CD-2 two head deck sounds very good and I use it in the bedroom and have used it by the pool and in the garage. The CD-2 can be bought for under $100.00! A great deck for the price! Bob N Martin & Karen Short wrote: Garry, Probably simply because the "Cassette Deck" series are not well appreciated or understood by the general populace.. and some mistakenly regard them as cheapies.. most likely due to the styling which is not to everyones taste. Same goes for the other CD decks. But for those in the know.. a good buy.. as you say, the CD1 and DR1 are essentially the same deck under the skin, as are the CD1.5 and DR2, CD2 and DR3, yet do not command as much money as their younger more conventionally styled brothers. cheers Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Garry Saunders To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:14 AM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Recent sale Is it my imagination or was this recent sale an absolute steal? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250270367730 The deck went for $155.00 including postage. Considering that this deck is one of only 4 Nak decks (and two of those are the CR7 and the dragon) that have playback azimuth control for all those of us with tapes recorded on other machines this seems amazing. Anybody have a view on why this deck went so cheap? A DR1 (the other deck with playback azimuth) went for a helluva lot more than this recently. Cassette Deck 1s rarely come onto the market so this seems all the more surprising. Views anyone? Garry ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Wed Jul 23 13:05:20 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:05:20 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Of All The Nerve...... References: <072320080320.24702.4886A38500012FB70000607E22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <010b01c8ecb3$ff158280$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Ah well Andy.. it gets 10/10 for entertainment value!!!.. the mind boggles that they could honestly omit that serious flaw in the product... now we can see if someone buys it! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] Of All The Nerve...... > > OK, let me get this straight. > > You have a Nakamichi TA-4A STASIS receiver in decent cosmetic condition, > except for the obvious flaw: It's missing the master volume knob! > > You take it to one of those $%&*@ "let us auction it for you" places. > > And you expect to sell this piece of audio gear "in great condition" with > a STARTING BID OF $324.99??!?!?!? > > Whoops...I forgot to mention...there's no reserve! Oh, that makes things > MUCH more reasonable! > > Good luck, pal. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-TA-4A-HD-Stereo-Receiver-Tuner-Amplifier_W0QQitemZ280249081017QQihZ018QQcategoryZ14973QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > *andy* > > From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Wed Jul 23 14:20:53 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:20:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon output question In-Reply-To: <200807231002.m6NA0XmA027029@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <483570BC000345DF@mail-5-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Chris, I've read the digest responses from you. Tom's original message I could not read, but I deduct from your answer he suggested to make an analyses from the output signals without a tape being played. Is this true? If the tape is omitted completely you would have to fool the deck into play mode. If the play mode is not engaged you would not have to fool the deck. (but electronics are not allways fully engaged in this mode) If a tape is omitted completely the magnetic shield in the shell is missing and this will result in various magnetic spuriae, unique for each deck. I am intrigued here, that why I raise all these questions. Anyway, as you've have equalised the output levels of the three decks involved the large differences seem to have gone. The output level should not influence the signal coming from the deck in any way, so the differences are due to the processing of the ADC, which seems to create large differences. The diagrams are probably scaled and this will have some influence on the representation of the spurious noise. Frequency scaled logarithmic probably. Output intensity also? As the decreased output diagrams are showing no problems in the Dragon or the CR7 output signals I cannot conclude anything wrong with orange Caps. Can you verify the output levvel of the Dragon is higher then that of the CR7? If so, that explains the differences between the full output diagrams of them probably. Regards, Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl <>>>>> >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:23:43 -0800 >From: "Chris Rinewalt" >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon output question >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: > <79c3cfa80807222323q6a791b2vb0aff0313a43b0b4 at mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hello Tom, >Thank you for your reply as well. Sorry for the strange format of this >reply. I have my subcription set to digest and haven't yet received my daily >email. > >That's an excellent test, and I have uploaded the correspoding spectrograms >to my webspace, http://www.thejesuslizard.net/naktest/ . All spectrograms >are Dolby off->stop (black space)->Dolby C on. As can be seen, the baseline >for the Sony deck (tcwe no tape.jpg) shows none of the curious louder noise >(red dot) that the Dragon is showing. The CR-7A (cr7a no tape.jpg) also does >well. Keeping in mind that the Sony has fixed amplitude output, I lowered >the output knob on the Nak decks to approximate the levels output by the >sony. When this is done, the noise levels of the CR-7A (cr7a low level no >tape.jpg) is even better. Now then, when it comes to the Dragon, it shows >those red dots (indicating increased noise) on the non Dolby portion that >were present on the transfer indicated in my first post. This noise seems >greatest above 15 kHz. Then, when I lowered the output (dragon low level >no >tape.jpg) to approximate the Sony output, the noise seemed to disappear and >the spectrogram is similar to the other two decks. I do have a friend that >also has a Dragon and a CR-7A. I will ask him to do the same test and see >what his spectrograms show. > >So given all this, does it appear that the orange caps in my unit need >replacing? If so, what seems to be the going rate for performing this >service, and are there any qualified Nak repair techs on the west coast, >preferably in California? The Dragon is a 1985 model, so I had the sneaking >suspicion something might go wrong with it shortly after I purchased it. > >Chris From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jul 24 21:30:00 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:30:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... Message-ID: <2F5130D8-4A6F-4716-8B57-F8D8072D5836@alumni.caltech.edu> I don't know about why the left channel would be bad on both (unless they were from the same place that did weird things), but you don't need a 700zxl for a donor. A 480zx or some others will do (see the matrix on naktalk).-kby From willyherm at gmail.com Thu Jul 24 22:19:43 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:19:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... In-Reply-To: <072420081210.4739.4888712F00012DB20000128322165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <072420081210.4739.4888712F00012DB20000128322165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4b6f92900807241319u5865de60ja67b6cb8108ed1a2@mail.gmail.com> If you checked resistance of both heads out of circuit then yes, you have two bad play heads. Best way to verify that is to switch the wires at the head and verify that the dead channel switches. I've seen weirder, but that's fairly far out. BTW, that play head is used in multiple machines. Willy On 7/24/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > I have a 700ZXL deck that is possessed by the devil. > > (Maybe I should call it a 666ZXHELL instead!) > > When it was sent to me, the customer stated that "the left channel won't > play". > > Fair enough--I plugged the deck in and found that this was indeed the > case. No audio at all in the headphone jack OR in the line outputs, with > Dolby on or off. (Right channel is fine.) > > Well, I THOROUGHLY analyzed the playback/Dolby board and the related > circuitry and found nothing. In fact, I took the playback board out and > tested it in another 700ZXL...it worked perfectly. > > So then I decided to measure the resistance of the playback head > itself. BINGO. One side of the head measured approximately 202 ohms, but > the other side measured open circuit (no reading). > > I remove the head block and take another reading directly at the head > contacts and get the same results....open circuit on one side, the other > side gets around 202 ohms. > > So, thinking I had nailed the problem, I asked the customer to send me > another playback head from his stock of parts decks. Since he had a donor > 700ZXL, this was no problem. > > I get the replacement head and, out of curiosity, decide to measure its > resistance prior to installing it. Once again, one set of contacts measures > open circuit while the other set measures approximately 202 ohms. And yes, > I measured at the head contacts and got the same results. > > Out of desperation, I install the head anyway...you guessed it, no output > in the left channel again! > > I should point out that the other 700ZXL in my possession measures > approximately 202 ohms on BOTH sets of contacts and plays fine. > > What's going on? Could I really be the victim of TWO bad playback > heads? Or is there some massive obvious thing I'm overlooking? > > I have also checked the following: > > I have thoroughly cleaned the pin connections for ALL of the plug-in > boards. > > I have cleaned the relay contacts for both of the relays on the main board. > > I have re-soldered the pin contact connections for the playback head AND > for the playback board itself. > > I have taken readings at the outputs of the playback board during > playback..., as you might expect, there is indeed only a trickle of voltage > coming from the left channel output, which can be traced all the way up to > the playback head connector. > > I am seriously contemplating ZXL homicide here. What's going on? > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Jul 24 22:21:06 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:21:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sacrilege? References: <02c501c8ed76$2bfaa6f0$83eff4d0$@com> <51628.66151.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <065601c8edca$cf07f100$6d17d300$@com> Kannan Yes, I've heard that said, too. The guy who sold me mine (he had two) said he dubbed all his CDs and would replay them on his ZX9. That's good on the ear - which I suppose is all that really matters - but I also suppose it does suggest a ZX9 might not accurately record what comes from a digital source, such as a CD. I recall when comparing my (then) CR7 and the ZX9, the former sounded a little closer to the CD than the ZX9, not that there was much in it. But I felt the ZX9 was easier on my ears anyway! Gra' From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:48 PM To: Nak Cassette Deck list Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sacrilege? Gra some (naktalker) will vouch for the sound that passed through ZX 9 had improved the Digital original! That is the purpose of using SONY (Decoder and probably Sony Digital recorder using Anlog tape) kannan --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Graham A Nelson wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Jul 24 22:15:24 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:15:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... In-Reply-To: <072420081210.4739.4888712F00012DB20000128322165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <072420081210.4739.4888712F00012DB20000128322165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4888E2DC.1030808@verizon.net> What's the problem? You have two heads with an open left channel coil and [surprise!] both left channels don't work... One possible explanation: there is something in the deck that damages the head left channel. The owner replaced the head, but saved it. Now, the new head has gone bad and he has sent you the original head, probably forgetting that it was bad. Solution: identify the Nak decks that use the same type head. Get a good head from a donor. Good luck, -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I have a 700ZXL deck that is possessed by the devil. > > (Maybe I should call it a 666ZXHELL instead!) > > When it was sent to me, the customer stated that "the left channel won't play". > > Fair enough--I plugged the deck in and found that this was indeed the case. No audio at all in the headphone jack OR in the line outputs, with Dolby on or off. (Right channel is fine.) > > Well, I THOROUGHLY analyzed the playback/Dolby board and the related circuitry and found nothing. In fact, I took the playback board out and tested it in another 700ZXL...it worked perfectly. > > So then I decided to measure the resistance of the playback head itself. BINGO. One side of the head measured approximately 202 ohms, but the other side measured open circuit (no reading). > > I remove the head block and take another reading directly at the head contacts and get the same results....open circuit on one side, the other side gets around 202 ohms. > > So, thinking I had nailed the problem, I asked the customer to send me another playback head from his stock of parts decks. Since he had a donor 700ZXL, this was no problem. > > I get the replacement head and, out of curiosity, decide to measure its resistance prior to installing it. Once again, one set of contacts measures open circuit while the other set measures approximately 202 ohms. And yes, I measured at the head contacts and got the same results. > > Out of desperation, I install the head anyway...you guessed it, no output in the left channel again! > > I should point out that the other 700ZXL in my possession measures approximately 202 ohms on BOTH sets of contacts and plays fine. > > What's going on? Could I really be the victim of TWO bad playback heads? Or is there some massive obvious thing I'm overlooking? > > I have also checked the following: > > I have thoroughly cleaned the pin connections for ALL of the plug-in boards. > > I have cleaned the relay contacts for both of the relays on the main board. > > I have re-soldered the pin contact connections for the playback head AND for the playback board itself. > > I have taken readings at the outputs of the playback board during playback..., as you might expect, there is indeed only a trickle of voltage coming from the left channel output, which can be traced all the way up to the playback head connector. > > I am seriously contemplating ZXL homicide here. What's going on? > > > *andy* From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Jul 24 22:39:36 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:39:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4888E888.3060208@verizon.net> boogie wrote: > Just wanted to get the opinion of those about what they do when the > weather gets bad in the summer months when apart from rain we have to > put up with thunder and lightening. Are we supposed to unplug our audio > gear from the wall socket to avert likely damage due to spikes,etc? Well, yes, we're supposed to. Yesterday, a lightening hit my driveway, not more than 20 ft. from where I was sitting (of course, there was an outside wall between the lightening and me, which is why I am still here, typing this response). The explosion was at the 150db level -- meaning, well over the threshold of pain. I was using the computer at the time. It kept on going, unimpressed. Later that evening, I discovered that the pre-pro forgot all settings. I had to feed in all settings, after which it played like before. The DVD player wouldn't even turn on, but resetting cured it. The CR-7 (and everything else) escaped unscathed. So, are we supposed to unplug audio gear from the wall socket to avert likely damage? Well, yes, we're supposed to :-). -- Ron > > When I refer to audio gear this includes amps/preamps.tuners/decks and > other power supplies for say turntables....etc. > > I find in the summer I am far more conscious about the weather and once > the forecast sounds bad "with the likelihood of thundershowers" I unplug > even though I want to listen. > > Any comments? If this topic has been exhausted before I am sorry. > > Cheers > boogie > From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Jul 24 22:52:51 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:52:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sacrilege? In-Reply-To: <14568830.1216913081802.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <14568830.1216913081802.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4888EBA3.8030708@verizon.net> Tom Brucker wrote: > Nak reworked the Sony PCM encode/decode unit popularly used with the SL2000 > portable beta deck. They improved the analog portion. PCM-beta was popular in >Nashville studios for at least 5 years, until ADAT arrived. PCM is lossless, > and I think the clock is 48kHz (or is that DAT?), giving a maximum treble > cutoff of 24kHz.... Tom, that's the Nyquist frequency, not the actual response you can hope to get from 48K S/Sec. You can get close to it with brick wall filtering, but sound quality will be the pits. (This, BTW, was the reason why early CD players sounded so crummy - they were shooting for 20KHz response from a 41.5K S/Sec. -- Ron > I can't say I've ever critically listend to one. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Graham A Nelson >> Sent: Jul 24, 2008 5:15 AM >> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >> Subject: [naktalk] Sacrilege? >> >> Take a look-see @ http://www.moorestevie.com/press/mythos.html and esp. the >> article Cassetricity by John Oswald. Note in particular the bit which >> reads, "Ken Oba shakes my bare hand with his sheathed one. No doubt this >> glove will be discarded before touching any of the Nakamichi >> real-time-recorded, direct-from-digital metal cassettes he is proudly >> describing to me. A cloned master recording of Joe Williams & His Blues >> All-Stars moans softly in the background. The original-once-removed clone is >> being fed in decoded analog form to thirty-two Nakamichi ZX-9 recording >> cassette decks, the decoder a deleted Sony product which has been >> fastidiously reworked and repackaged under the Nakamichi name. " >> >> What?! Nakamichi were cloning ANALOGUE cassettes from DIGITAL sources?? >> AND they were using a re-vamped Sony decoder, and a deleted one at that??? >> I am SOOOO disappointed! Those paragons of virtue exposed as Charlatans... >> What else did they nick from Sony and re-badge?? (Jeff G, are you reading >> this? Did you buy that Sony/Nakamichi decoder at the same time you bought >> those ZX9's?? Come on, now - be Georgie Washington and own up if you did!) >> >> >> I am not sure I can even TOUCH my ZX9 now I find it may have been sullied by >> a hand that touched a Sony ... even if it were wearing a glove... >> >> (Offers over $4k will be considered very seriously!!!) >> >> ;o) >> >> Gra' >> Graham Nelson >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kermit Gray [mailto:notarbene at kvglabs.com] >> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:02 AM >> To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Belts >> >> Hi Graham, >> >> They sell only the generic PRB brand belts. I'd rather buy Nakamichi >> belts from Fred. >> >> On Jul 24, 2008, at 3:14 AM, Graham A Nelson wrote: >> >>> Has anyone sourced belts from these people? >>> >>> http://www.vintage-electronics.cc/nakamichikits.html >>> >>> >>> Graham >> >> -- Kermit Gray >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >> Skype ID: triodelicacy >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Jul 24 23:06:10 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:06:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17d5ee910807241406l3e99857dt34d467e1a8622872@mail.gmail.com> Gear with manual power buttons disconnect the mains from the transformer, not many risks there, unless the spark killer cap gets shorted or there's arcing through the switch. You should at least have a surge suppressor. http://www.tripplite.com/EN/products/index.cfm?txtEntryID=81 Try to go for the highest number of joules vs. power outlets needed. A surge suppressor has MOVs (varistors) which will short when the incoming voltage rises over 330V (assuming you use 120V. 220V countries have higher ratings.) The Isobar, to which I linked to, has one thing special, it filters between the components too (there's a different filter for every two plugs). The next step, if you really want to, is to add an isolation transformer to this. http://www.tripplite.com/EN/products/index.cfm?txtEntryID=5 The transformer will act as a buffer to short spikes that are too fast for a varistor to clamp on, or have a too low voltage. It will buffer against short outages that can get equipment to reset. Note that I'm not affiliated to Tripp-Lite, it's just that when I searched for a surge suppressor a few years ago, the only company that seemed to make reliable suppressors was them. Antoine 2008/7/24 boogie : > Just wanted to get the opinion of those about what they do when the weather > gets bad in the summer months when apart from rain we have to put up with > thunder and lightening. Are we supposed to unplug our audio gear from the > wall socket to avert likely damage due to spikes,etc? > > When I refer to audio gear this includes amps/preamps.tuners/decks and other > power supplies for say turntables....etc. > > I find in the summer I am far more conscious about the weather and once the > forecast sounds bad "with the likelihood of thundershowers" I unplug even > though I want to listen. > > Any comments? If this topic has been exhausted before I am sorry. > > Cheers > boogie > > ________________________________ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From fripp_em at yahoo.com Thu Jul 24 23:01:27 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Wow, I think I'm dizzy Message-ID: <918758.87843.qm@web50511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> .15% W7F on a BX-300? I wouldn't want to hear a Frach Horn on this one. http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-BX-300-Cassette-Deck-CALIBRATED-NEW-BELTS_W0QQitemZ250274419747QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem david From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 24 22:10:29 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:10:29 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Question! Message-ID: <10993360.1216930229900.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jul 24 22:30:20 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <897459.81756.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A nice question -   as I have one CR4A which started malfunctioning after it received a Lightening strike ( with teh previous owner. Atleast 4 Ic's were either blown or malfunctioning including one Microprocessor.It took some time to find teh culprit blown ICs. So, it is a good practice to unplug all Audio electronic items from the mains to avoid such damages during a thunderstrom Kannan  --- On Thu, 7/24/08, boogie wrote: From: boogie Subject: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 11:25 AM #yiv248247449 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv248247449 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Just wanted to get the opinion of those about what they do when the weather gets bad in the summer months when apart from rain we have to put up with thunder and lightening. Are we supposed to unplug our audio gear from the wall socket to avert likely damage due to spikes,etc?   When I refer to audio gear this includes amps/preamps.tuners/decks and other power supplies for say turntables....etc.   I find in the summer I am far more conscious about the weather and once the forecast sounds bad "with the likelihood of thundershowers" I unplug even though I want to listen.   Any comments? If this topic has been exhausted before I am sorry.   Cheers boogie ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Thu Jul 24 14:26:33 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:26:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Belts In-Reply-To: <014001c8ed65$4d368e80$e7a3ab80$@com> References: <072320080320.24702.4886A38500012FB70000607E22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <014001c8ed65$4d368e80$e7a3ab80$@com> Message-ID: <488874F9.6000007@marrscommunications.com> Grahanm They sell PRB brand belts. Fred M Graham A Nelson wrote: >Has anyone sourced belts from these people? > >http://www.vintage-electronics.cc/nakamichikits.html > > >Graham > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Thu Jul 24 16:12:30 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:12:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OCO - 8096-D2 and Tandberg Azimuth Belts have Arrived ! Message-ID: <48888DCE.6050406@marrscommunications.com> Hello Fellow Members, The Nakamichi 8096-D2 Capstan Belts and Tandberg Azimuth Belts, are now in Stock ! Anyone who has the required equipment and a SERVICED machine worthy of testing, and promises to post their findings for all to see, please contact me OFF LINE for a "D-2" Sample. Shipping starts 7/28/08. Thanks ! Fred M. ( marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com ) From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Jul 25 01:12:45 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:12:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910807241406l3e99857dt34d467e1a8622872@mail.gmail.com> References: <17d5ee910807241406l3e99857dt34d467e1a8622872@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48890C6D.9010305@verizon.net> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Gear with manual power buttons disconnect the mains from the > transformer, not many risks there, unless the spark killer cap gets > shorted or there's arcing through the switch. But the switch is rated for 250V. A direct lightning hit is more like a few million Volts. > You should at least have a surge suppressor. > http://www.tripplite.com/EN/products/index.cfm?txtEntryID=81 > > Try to go for the highest number of joules vs. power outlets needed. The lightning will laugh it's ass off while it burns not just the MOVs, but also the equipment box and possibly, the shelf it's sitting on. The ONLY protection against a direct lightning hit is unplugging all equipment so it cannot be hit, unless one is willing to spend some very serious money. No offense, Antoine, but do some reading on lightning protection -- not from the people bent on selling useless stuff but from those that actually deal with lightning protection. -- Ron > > A surge suppressor has MOVs (varistors) which will short when the > incoming voltage rises over 330V (assuming you use 120V. 220V > countries have higher ratings.) > > The Isobar, to which I linked to, has one thing special, it filters > between the components too (there's a different filter for every two > plugs). > > The next step, if you really want to, is to add an isolation > transformer to this. > http://www.tripplite.com/EN/products/index.cfm?txtEntryID=5 > The transformer will act as a buffer to short spikes that are too fast > for a varistor to clamp on, or have a too low voltage. It will buffer > against short outages that can get equipment to reset. > > Note that I'm not affiliated to Tripp-Lite, it's just that when I > searched for a surge suppressor a few years ago, the only company that > seemed to make reliable suppressors was them. > > Antoine > > 2008/7/24 boogie : >> Just wanted to get the opinion of those about what they do when the weather >> gets bad in the summer months when apart from rain we have to put up with >> thunder and lightening. Are we supposed to unplug our audio gear from the >> wall socket to avert likely damage due to spikes,etc? >> >> When I refer to audio gear this includes amps/preamps.tuners/decks and other >> power supplies for say turntables....etc. >> >> I find in the summer I am far more conscious about the weather and once the >> forecast sounds bad "with the likelihood of thundershowers" I unplug even >> though I want to listen. >> >> Any comments? If this topic has been exhausted before I am sorry. >> >> Cheers >> boogie >> >> From EL34GUY at aol.com Fri Jul 25 02:55:25 2008 From: EL34GUY at aol.com (EL34GUY at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:55:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 682zx question Message-ID: Hello, I just got a (new to me) 682zx deck. Its in ok shape but has a strange issue while switching the deck into Dolby B or C mode. With Dolby off the deck plays fine and sounds good, but when B or C are switched in over a period of about 2-4 secs the sound degrades and gets muffled. Im guessing Ive got some circuit issues with the dolby circuit, maybe caps? Ive never ran across this before, pretty much a newbie to troubleshooting these. Either B or C does this. Any ideas? Anything else to watch on the 682zx? Thanks Mark **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. 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The right reel hub and the capstans do engage on play but the moment the heads reach the tape and I see the LED light up, the tape is stopped and the deck either stops or goes into the reverse mode play depending upon the mode set in auto reverse. Of course when this occurs, recording is out of question, as the tape is stopped. This phenomenon happens at random and whether a tape is inserted or not. So it is not a tape related issue. This problem will be there for a few days and then all of a sudden all is well and the deck will play perfect for hours with no issue at all. No tape eating at all. Then in a few weeks/days, the forward mode will do the same all over again. I can never predict when this will happen. Any and all ideas will be welcomed with gratitude. Regards, Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.rinewalt at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 08:22:31 2008 From: chris.rinewalt at gmail.com (Chris Rinewalt) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:22:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon output question In-Reply-To: <483570BC000345DF@mail-5-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> References: <200807231002.m6NA0XmA027029@zxe.naks.com> <483570BC000345DF@mail-5-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <79c3cfa80807242322u8243922v1c74d99526ea61f1@mail.gmail.com> Hello Henk, Yes, Tom's first reply was to run the deck in play mode without a tape (no recorded signal) at full output with Dolby off and then Dolby on to get baseline SNR data for each deck. I was surprised to find that both the Dragon and CR-7A did this without having to hold down a tape presence switch like I do with my other decks. I'm completely new to Naks, as I just received these 1-2 weeks ago. In any event, yes after doing the test at full output, I then lowered the output back to the level that approximated the Sony's output so that I could compare "apples to apples" as they say. And yes, both the Dragon and CR-7A at this lower output level performed as well, if not better than the Sony. However, this makes it even more confusing that I'm seeing this increased noise from the Dragon's output of this tape even when I lowered the output level to match that of the Sony. In other words, the noise isn't there without a tape, but it is there with the tape, but only on the Dragon. Perhaps it really is fairly sensitive to higher frequencies and the Sony either can't pick it up or the circuitry just filters it out? It's really only when the Dragon output is maximized that the increased noise is seen and heard. Are you certain that an increased output from the Dragon would not increase noise in the capture? It seems that if the output is "amplified" from a level 8 to the max level 11, then any noise present would also be amplified. Frequency in the spectral view is not log scaled. I looked on the EAC website but could not find an explanation as to what colors represent which amplitude values. I do have a Sony DTC-60ES DAT deck that can serve as an ADC, so I may check the Dragon output that way as well. But again that deck also has an output level control that could serve to amplify any noise from the deck, and make the results more confusing. I'm not sure how I could accurately check that the Dragon or the CR-7A are outputting at different levels as I don't have any meters or test gauges. Perhaps I can use the Dragon's test tones to create a test tape and then compare it's output on the Dragon to that of the CR-7A? That is a good idea though, if the Dragon has a the higher output level, it may be causing the greater noise in the digital transfer. I'm still waiting for my friend to do the baseline SNR capture on his deck so that I can compare. I did, however, look at spectrogram's from files generated from other live music tape captures that were transferred on various other Nak decks (CR-7A, DR-3, DR-8), and it looks like the noise I see on the Dragon is in-line with those others. However, I know that I can't make any concrete conclusions because a) they weren't transferring the same tape I was, b) they weren't using the same sound card I am and c) I don't know what output levels and input levels they were using. This weekend I am going to start transferring more tapes with the Dragon (and maybe with the CR-7A if the new idler tire shows up) and will see what I can come up with. Perhaps it's just one of those things that the Dragon doesn't excel @ 100% of all tapes and every so often I'll find one that it does well with, but just doesn't live up to it's full potential. I've also replied to Tom's 2nd reply if you want to read that one. thanks again, Chris On 7/23/08, ScHenk wrote: > > Chris, > > I've read the digest responses from you. Tom's original message I could not > read, but I deduct from your answer he suggested to make an analyses from > the output signals without a tape being played. Is this true? If the tape > is omitted completely you would have to fool the deck into play mode. If > the play mode is not engaged you would not have to fool the deck. (but > electronics > are not allways fully engaged in this mode) > If a tape is omitted completely the magnetic shield in the shell is missing > and this will result in various magnetic spuriae, unique for each deck. > > I am intrigued here, that why I raise all these questions. > > Anyway, as you've have equalised the output levels of the three decks > involved > the large differences seem to have gone. The output level should not > influence > the signal coming from the deck in any way, so the differences are due to > the processing of the ADC, which seems to create large differences. > The diagrams are probably scaled and this will have some influence on the > representation of the spurious noise. Frequency scaled logarithmic > probably. > Output intensity also? > > As the decreased output diagrams are showing no problems in the Dragon or > the CR7 output signals I cannot conclude anything wrong with orange Caps. > Can you verify the output levvel of the Dragon is higher then that of the > CR7? If so, that explains the differences between the full output diagrams > of them probably. > > Regards, > Henk Schenk > Netherlands > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > <>>>>> > >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:23:43 -0800 > >From: "Chris Rinewalt" > > >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon output question > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Message-ID: > > <79c3cfa80807222323q6a791b2vb0aff0313a43b0b4 at mail.gmail.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > >Hello Tom, > >Thank you for your reply as well. Sorry for the strange format of this > >reply. I have my subcription set to digest and haven't yet received my > daily > >email. > > > >That's an excellent test, and I have uploaded the correspoding > spectrograms > >to my webspace, http://www.thejesuslizard.net/naktest/ . All spectrograms > >are Dolby off->stop (black space)->Dolby C on. As can be seen, the > baseline > >for the Sony deck (tcwe no tape.jpg) shows none of the curious louder > noise > >(red dot) that the Dragon is showing. The CR-7A (cr7a no tape.jpg) also > does > >well. Keeping in mind that the Sony has fixed amplitude output, I lowered > >the output knob on the Nak decks to approximate the levels output by the > >sony. When this is done, the noise levels of the CR-7A (cr7a low level no > >tape.jpg) is even better. Now then, when it comes to the Dragon, it shows > >those red dots (indicating increased noise) on the non Dolby portion that > >were present on the transfer indicated in my first post. This noise seems > >greatest above 15 kHz. Then, when I lowered the output (dragon low level > >no > >tape.jpg) to approximate the Sony output, the noise seemed to disappear > and > >the spectrogram is similar to the other two decks. I do have a friend that > >also has a Dragon and a CR-7A. I will ask him to do the same test and see > >what his spectrograms show. > > > >So given all this, does it appear that the orange caps in my unit need > >replacing? If so, what seems to be the going rate for performing this > >service, and are there any qualified Nak repair techs on the west coast, > >preferably in California? The Dragon is a 1985 model, so I had the > sneaking > >suspicion something might go wrong with it shortly after I purchased it. > > > >Chris > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.rinewalt at gmail.com Fri Jul 25 08:53:47 2008 From: chris.rinewalt at gmail.com (Chris Rinewalt) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:53:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon output question In-Reply-To: <27893145.1216826021609.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <27893145.1216826021609.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <79c3cfa80807242353s71ce95bcwe28b859e98eb9b06@mail.gmail.com> Hello Tom, Thank you for your reply. Do I need to do the 20-40 dB gain inline with the recording, or can I go back and add that into the recorded file via an EQ? I do not have any amplifier equipment In my computer room, just my Nak decks and some other audio players. My soundcard EQ only records up to +6dB, so I can only achieve that large a gain post-transfer. If that is an OK method, I have done so with those files and I see no curious spikes in level or spectrum (other than the lines in the left channel which I believe are due to the NAAC), which seems like good news. I have uploaded those pictures (dragon-no tape+20dB / dragon-no tape+40dB.jpg) @ http://www.thejesuslizard.net/naktest/ if you'd like to check them out. As I replied to Henk, I am awaiting the results of my friends no tape test to see if his Dragon and CR-7A perform like mine. And as I transfer more tapes as time goes on, I may see that it was just this tape that is the odd man out. I just find it odd that the first tape I choose to transfer would cause all these concerns. Thanks again for your help, Chris On 7/23/08, Tom Brucker wrote: > > It might be wise to add a 20 or 40 dB gain stage to the no tape test. A bit > of hum will show up, but we're interested in the high frequencies. Orange > caps typically make a "shot noise" almost like a burst, but the noise rises > from a constant background that is masked by the music until the listener > learns to recognize it. Then it can be heard and is always in the sound to > some degree. Anyone can perform the no tape test at home. Just set the deck > in play mode before raising the amplifier volume. I deal electronics will > produce an unchanging white noise. Orange cap units will have level and > spectral changes. > > Willy Herman in the Berkley area can do the orange cap replacement. I am > very reluctant to ship Dragons UPS. > > > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Rinewalt > Sent: Jul 23, 2008 1:23 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon output question > > Hello Tom, > Thank you for your reply as well. Sorry for the strange format of this > reply. I have my subcription set to digest and haven't yet received my daily > email. > > That's an excellent test, and I have uploaded the correspoding spectrograms > to my webspace, http://www.thejesuslizard.net/naktest/ . All spectrograms > are Dolby off->stop (black space)->Dolby C on. As can be seen, the baseline > for the Sony deck (tcwe no tape.jpg) shows none of the curious louder noise > (red dot) that the Dragon is showing. The CR-7A (cr7a no tape.jpg) also does > well. Keeping in mind that the Sony has fixed amplitude output, I lowered > the output knob on the Nak decks to approximate the levels output by the > sony. When this is done, the noise levels of the CR-7A (cr7a low level no > tape.jpg) is even better. Now then, when it comes to the Dragon, it shows > those red dots (indicating increased noise) on the non Dolby portion that > were present on the transfer indicated in my first post. This noise seems > greatest above 15 kHz. Then, when I lowered the output (dragon low level no > tape.jpg) to approximate the Sony output, the noise seemed to disappear and > the spectrogram is similar to the other two decks. I do have a friend that > also has a Dragon and a CR-7A. I will ask him to do the same test and see > what his spectrograms show. > > So given all this, does it appear that the orange caps in my unit need > replacing? If so, what seems to be the going rate for performing this > service, and are there any qualified Nak repair techs on the west coast, > preferably in California? The Dragon is a 1985 model, so I had the sneaking > suspicion something might go wrong with it shortly after I purchased it. > > Chris > > Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Jul 25 10:28:55 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:28:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 682zx question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would look first for bad pp orange caps in the dolby circuits. Best rgds, LP. El 25/07/2008, a las 2:55, EL34GUY at aol.com escribió: > Hello, > > I just got a (new to me) 682zx deck. Its in ok shape but has a > strange issue while switching the deck into Dolby B or C mode. With > Dolby off the deck plays fine and sounds good, but when B or C are > switched in over a period of about 2-4 secs the sound degrades and > gets muffled. Im guessing Ive got some circuit issues with the dolby > circuit, maybe caps? Ive never ran across this before, pretty much a > newbie to troubleshooting these. Either B or C does this. Any ideas? > > Anything else to watch on the 682zx? > > Thanks > > Mark > > > > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse > Fantasy Football today. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Jul 25 11:46:22 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:46:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OCO - 8096-D2 and Tandberg Azimuth Belts have Arrived ! Message-ID: Hi Fred, Maybe you got for my Tandberg TD-310 MK-2 a belt...the counter I changed by a generic & work well...; but the larger & wider one it's extremely loose!. Thanks so much, if yes the shipment will be to Israel! Cheers, Alex! > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:12:30 -0500 > From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com > To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OCO - 8096-D2 and Tandberg Azimuth Belts have Arrived ! > > Hello Fellow Members, > > The Nakamichi 8096-D2 Capstan Belts and Tandberg Azimuth Belts, are now > in Stock ! > > Anyone who has the required equipment and a SERVICED machine worthy of > testing, and promises to post their findings for all to see, please > contact me OFF LINE for a "D-2" Sample. > > Shipping starts 7/28/08. > > Thanks ! Fred M. ( marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com ) > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jul 25 15:38:16 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:38:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak In-Reply-To: <48890C6D.9010305@verizon.net> References: <17d5ee910807241406l3e99857dt34d467e1a8622872@mail.gmail.com> <48890C6D.9010305@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4889D748.20308@yahoo.ca> First of all, lightning could only hit your house if you don't have any proper lightning protection. You shouldn't get a direct hit. If you read about UL certified lightning protection systems, surge suppressors make part of the equipment. The surge suppressors would stop the voltage transients that might still occur when lightning doesn't directly strike (we're not talking about a million volts). Ron a écrit : > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> Gear with manual power buttons disconnect the mains from the >> transformer, not many risks there, unless the spark killer cap gets >> shorted or there's arcing through the switch. > > But the switch is rated for 250V. A direct > lightning hit is more like a few million > Volts. > >> You should at least have a surge suppressor. >> http://www.tripplite.com/EN/products/index.cfm?txtEntryID=81 >> >> Try to go for the highest number of joules vs. power outlets needed. > > The lightning will laugh it's ass off while it > burns not just the MOVs, but also the equipment > box and possibly, the shelf it's sitting on. > The ONLY protection against a direct lightning > hit is unplugging all equipment so it cannot be > hit, unless one is willing to spend some very > serious money. > > No offense, Antoine, but do some reading on > lightning protection -- not from the people > bent on selling useless stuff but from those > that actually deal with lightning protection. > > -- Ron > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Jul 25 13:42:49 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:42:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Wow, I think I'm dizzy Message-ID: <072520081142.5875.4889BC390001F47D000016F322155517249C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> David wrote: ".15% W7F on a BX-300? I wouldn't want to hear a Frach Horn on this one." Hi, David: Yeah, that is a BX-300 I found in my inventory. It's solid, mechanically and electronically, but the W/F was that high with the old AND new capstan belt. I should have checked a couple of things on this deck before rushing it onto eBay like that. Tomorrow I am going to lubricate the capstan bearings and check the capstan motor for dead spots, to see if I can get that W/F reading to go down. If I can improve things, I will announce it in the auction listing. If the deck doesn't respond to any further tweaking, I will announce that the W/F is a bit on the high side. *andy* From mfallon at windstream.net Fri Jul 25 15:23:17 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 9:23:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 682zx question Message-ID: <20080725132317.JLPM13398.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Hey Mark, i sold you a box of Sony metals a while back. how did that work out? listen to any of the tapes. lots of rare killer reggae there. hope the summer is going well and you get the daughter off to school soon! Mike > > From: EL34GUY at aol.com > Date: 2008/07/24 Thu PM 08:55:25 EDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 682zx question > > Hello, > > I just got a (new to me) 682zx deck. Its in ok shape but has a strange issue > while switching the deck into Dolby B or C mode. With Dolby off the deck > plays fine and sounds good, but when B or C are switched in over a period of > about 2-4 secs the sound degrades and gets muffled. Im guessing Ive got some > circuit issues with the dolby circuit, maybe caps? Ive never ran across this > before, pretty much a newbie to troubleshooting these. Either B or C does this. > Any ideas? > > Anything else to watch on the 682zx? > > Thanks > > Mark > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > -------------- next part -------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From soumitra at soumitrab.com Fri Jul 25 16:31:38 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:01:38 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak Message-ID: <002701c8ee63$29f934f0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Its always a good precaution to unplug appliances during months with increased lightning strikes ... but in case you are unable to for whatever reason, or do not get a lightning protection then using MOVs in the mains might help a bit. I have 375V rated MOVs across Live-Neutral, Live-Earth and Neutral-Earth and a 0.47u X2 class capacitor across Live-Neutral for additional filtration (not related tho) in the power socket. Regards Soumi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Jul 25 21:54:05 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:54:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910807241406l3e99857dt34d467e1a8622872@mail.gmail.com> References: <17d5ee910807241406l3e99857dt34d467e1a8622872@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Antoine, You're on the right track, I'd only add a few things to your post. Let me take a systematic approach, although if you want I could just insult you instead of answering your question (I'm joking). To be thorough you must protect the audio system from the common "electrical threats," that include: 1. Undervoltage (brownouts, mains power too low). 2. Overvoltage (mains power too high). 3. Surges and spikes, caused by electric motors, other electrical and electronic equipment; that last up to a few milliseconds, reaching 10,000 volts and 100 amperes or so. 4. Extreme surges and spikes caused by nearby or direct lightning strikes. These can have a magnitude of up to 45,000 amperes and reach more than to 300,000,000 volts. 5. Radio frequency interference conducted along the mains line. 6. Inrush current surges that occur when the equipment is switched on at first. The simplest, and most obvious, solution is to merely unplug the equipment during electrical storms. Don't forget to unplug any antennas connected to the stereo! This is often overlooked! An antenna can attract lightning too! Don't rely on the power switch and fuse/breaker to protect the system of an AC mains power strip because a surge of 50 amperes or more will jump the switch and head straight for the kill -- your lovely stereo. Cheap surge suppressors, such as those typically sold for computers, offer a little protection from Threat #3, but not much more. Most of these are little more than two or three Metal Oxide Varistors, or MOVs, connected across the mains line. More expensive surge suppressors may also have gas discharge tubes. MOVs react in less than a microsecond and will clamp surges with peak current ratings ranging from 40 Amperes to 70,000 Amperes and peak energy ratings ranging from 0.1 Joules to 10,000 Joules. The MOVs used in cheap surge protectors seldom clamp more than 100 Amperes. Better quality units will reduce 6,000 to 10,000 Volt spikes down to 300 or 400 volts or so, which won't protect against lightning. Gas discharge tubes , or gas plasma arrestors, protect against transient surges of up to 40,000 Amperes! They're typically installed in antenna circuits. Heavy duty AC mains voltage regulators, sometimes called voltage stabilizers, keep the mains voltage within a few per cent of the rated mains voltage and protect the equipment from over- and under-voltage. New ones use electronic regulator, and older models, like the Sola I have, use a ferroresonant transformer. Consider ferroresonant models obsolete. I need to replace my old Sola CV mains stabilizer. RFI/EMI Filters will do only that -- filter EMI and RFI across the mains line; most are combined with MOVs. SurgeX, TrippLite, Furman, ETA Systems, Sola, Ebtech and Juice Goose make the "power conditioners" found in most recording studios. Power conditioners combine power switching, inrush surge limiting, moderate surge-and-spike reduction, EMI/RFI filtering and sometimes voltage regulation/stabilization into one product. I use TrippLite, Sola and Juice Goose equipment in my studio. Uninterruptable Power Supplies are also used in many studios. They are great for home stereo -- these give back up AC mains power, if the mains power fails, provided from a storage battery and power inverter or dynamotor set. Be sure to use only those units that produce sine wave ("sinusoidal") outputs -- most produce square wave AC and will degrade your stereo's sound and cause turntable or tape recorder motors to run too hot. I use a Bendix dynamotor that also has a barreter but I need to replace it; I don't recommend dynamotors or barreters any longer. Ultimately, the best and only reliable protection during electrical storms is to UNPLUG! On Jul 24, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Gear with manual power buttons disconnect the mains from the > transformer, not many risks there, unless the spark killer cap gets > shorted or there's arcing through the switch. > > You should at least have a surge suppressor. > http://www.tripplite.com/EN/products/index.cfm?txtEntryID=81 > > Try to go for the highest number of joules vs. power outlets needed. > > A surge suppressor has MOVs (varistors) which will short when the > incoming voltage rises over 330V (assuming you use 120V. 220V > countries have higher ratings.) > > The Isobar, to which I linked to, has one thing special, it filters > between the components too (there's a different filter for every two > plugs). > > The next step, if you really want to, is to add an isolation > transformer to this. > http://www.tripplite.com/EN/products/index.cfm?txtEntryID=5 > The transformer will act as a buffer to short spikes that are too fast > for a varistor to clamp on, or have a too low voltage. It will buffer > against short outages that can get equipment to reset. > > Note that I'm not affiliated to Tripp-Lite, it's just that when I > searched for a surge suppressor a few years ago, the only company that > seemed to make reliable suppressors was them. > > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Jul 25 21:58:37 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:58:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak In-Reply-To: <4889D748.20308@yahoo.ca> References: <17d5ee910807241406l3e99857dt34d467e1a8622872@mail.gmail.com> <48890C6D.9010305@verizon.net> <4889D748.20308@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Hi Antoine, On Jul 25, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > First of all, lightning could only hit your house if you don't have > any proper lightning protection. You shouldn't get a direct hit. > If you read about UL certified lightning protection systems, surge > suppressors make part of the equipment. > The surge suppressors would stop the voltage transients that might > still occur when lightning doesn't directly strike (we're not > talking about a million volts). You reminded me of something: be sure your house has a lightning rod! this should be obvious but I'm astonished by the number of houses in the USA that do not have lightning rods installed! This is such a cheap way to protect a house from a lightning strike! I do not understand why so many houses today lack lightning rods! -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Fri Jul 25 21:06:03 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:06:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OCO - 8096-D2 and Tandberg Azimuth Belts have Arrived ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <488A241B.9060205@marrscommunications.com> Hi Alex, I am confused by your message? Please contact me off line. Thanks! Fred M. Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi Fred, > > Maybe you got for my Tandberg TD-310 MK-2 a belt...the counter I > changed by a generic & work well...; but the larger & wider one it's > extremely loose!. > > Thanks so much, if yes the shipment will be to Israel! > > Cheers, > > Alex! > > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:12:30 -0500 > > From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] OCO - 8096-D2 and Tandberg Azimuth Belts have > Arrived ! > > > > Hello Fellow Members, > > > > The Nakamichi 8096-D2 Capstan Belts and Tandberg Azimuth Belts, are now > > in Stock ! > > > > Anyone who has the required equipment and a SERVICED machine worthy of > > testing, and promises to post their findings for all to see, please > > contact me OFF LINE for a "D-2" Sample. > > > > Shipping starts 7/28/08. > > > > Thanks ! Fred M. 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URL: From el34guy at aol.com Fri Jul 25 21:56:48 2008 From: el34guy at aol.com (el34guy at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:56:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 682zx question In-Reply-To: <20080725132317.JLPM13398.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> References: <20080725132317.JLPM13398.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Message-ID: <8CABCA7B4CB3DC8-A00-8A58@webmail-ne07.sysops.aol.com> Hey Mike, Tapes look real good, I havent even had a chance to try them at all. Unfortunately Ive spent a good part of the summer so far worrying about my job. Theres a pretty good chance I will be cut in the next 2-3 months or so. And, there just isnt much in the area to replace my income. So between my daughter going to school, and me worrying about too much, my summers been sorta stressful,,,LOL So, Ive been trying to not get too stressed out at all. I will try to listen to those tapes soon, maybe try them on that new 682zx... How the heck is your summer going after my big rant here?? Mark -----Original Message----- From: mfallon at windstream.net To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 8:23 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] 682zx question Hey Mark, i sold you a box of Sony metals a while back. how did that work out? listen to any of the tapes. lots of rare killer reggae there. hope the summer is going well and you get the daughter off to school soon! Mike > > From: EL34GUY at aol.com > Date: 2008/07/24 Thu PM 08:55:25 EDT > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 682zx question > > Hello, > > I just got a (new to me) 682zx deck. Its in ok shape but has a strange issue > while switching the deck into Dolby B or C mode. With Dolby off the deck > plays fine and sounds good, but when B or C are switched in over a period of > about 2-4 secs the sound degrades and gets muffled. Im guessing Ive got some > circuit issues with the dolby circuit, maybe caps? Ive never ran across this > before, pretty much a newbie to troubleshooting these. Either B or C does this. > Any ideas? > > Anything else to watch on the 682zx? > > Thanks > > Mark > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======== = From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Fri Jul 25 21:58:46 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:58:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal cassttes In-Reply-To: <20080721143630.RGDX18077.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: I still have about five boxes(120pcs) of Sony Metal C-60. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From bobschneider8 at comcast.net Fri Jul 25 22:58:26 2008 From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net (Bob Schneider) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:58:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak In-Reply-To: References: <17d5ee910807241406l3e99857dt34d467e1a8622872@mail.gmail.com><48890C6D.9010305@verizon.net> <4889D748.20308@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <0594FF1EF0674A1FAF5F43B8D37D04D8@anappex2zt2cgl> When I was a kid, I thought that most houses grounded their TV antenna, which then also served as a lightning rod. I suspect that, when folks switched to cable and dumped their roof antennas, they didn't think to put up a lighting rod. But while I have an antenna on my roof I use for FM, I don't actually know if it's grounded - I'll have to check. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:59 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak Hi Antoine, On Jul 25, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > First of all, lightning could only hit your house if you don't have > any proper lightning protection. You shouldn't get a direct hit. > If you read about UL certified lightning protection systems, surge > suppressors make part of the equipment. > The surge suppressors would stop the voltage transients that might > still occur when lightning doesn't directly strike (we're not talking > about a million volts). You reminded me of something: be sure your house has a lightning rod! this should be obvious but I'm astonished by the number of houses in the USA that do not have lightning rods installed! This is such a cheap way to protect a house from a lightning strike! I do not understand why so many houses today lack lightning rods! -- Kermit Gray From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Jul 26 00:37:39 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:37:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 480 faceplate and door for sale Message-ID: <20080725223739.USET2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> I recall a few instances where someone was looking for cassette well doors just a few months ago. Just in case this is the model for the desired door, here's something of interest to you. http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-480-CASSETTE-DECK-FACE-DOOR-MINT-CONDITION_W0QQitemZ280248421782QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280248421782&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318 Roland From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Jul 26 00:51:43 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:51:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wow, I think I'm dizzy In-Reply-To: <072520081142.5875.4889BC390001F47D000016F322155517249C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <072520081142.5875.4889BC390001F47D000016F322155517249C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <488A58FF.3080604@verizon.net> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > David wrote: > > ".15% W7F on a BX-300? I wouldn't want to hear a Frach Horn on this one." > > > Hi, David: > > Yeah, that is a BX-300 I found in my inventory. It's solid, mechanically and electronically, but the W/F was that high with the old AND new capstan belt. I should have checked a couple of things on this deck before rushing it onto eBay like that. > > Tomorrow I am going to lubricate the capstan bearings and check the capstan motor for dead spots, to see if I can get that W/F reading to go down. If I can improve things, I will announce it in the auction listing. If the deck doesn't respond to any further tweaking, I will announce that the W/F is a bit on the high side. Andy, the BX-300 has a DD capstan motor; it's not prone to dead spots. However, dry capstan bearings are definitely a possibility. I have found that sometimes, a drop from the front of the bearing is all it takes. At other times, I had to remove both capstans and do a more thorough job. I drench the bearing with light machine oil and wait for it to be absorbed. Time consuming, but it does do the trick. Good luck, -- Ron > > > *andy* From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Jul 26 01:11:15 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:11:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak In-Reply-To: <4889D748.20308@yahoo.ca> References: <17d5ee910807241406l3e99857dt34d467e1a8622872@mail.gmail.com> <48890C6D.9010305@verizon.net> <4889D748.20308@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <488A5D93.4060001@verizon.net> Antoine, No offense but my house has heavily grounded aluminum siding and still got a near direct hit only a couple of days ago (even though you say that it shouldn't). I see that Kermit offered a much more thorough response that still boiled down to a simple 'unplug it'. That's excellent advice. I don't claim to be an expert, but did spend some boring time as qualification manager in a computer R&D facility. Involvement in product susceptibility to anything from ESD to lightning was part of my responsibility. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > First of all, lightning could only hit your house if you don't have any > proper lightning protection. You shouldn't get a direct hit. > If you read about UL certified lightning protection systems, surge > suppressors make part of the equipment. > The surge suppressors would stop the voltage transients that might still > occur when lightning doesn't directly strike (we're not talking about a > million volts). > > Ron a écrit : >> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>> Gear with manual power buttons disconnect the mains from the >>> transformer, not many risks there, unless the spark killer cap gets >>> shorted or there's arcing through the switch. >> >> But the switch is rated for 250V. A direct >> lightning hit is more like a few million >> Volts. >> >>> You should at least have a surge suppressor. >>> http://www.tripplite.com/EN/products/index.cfm?txtEntryID=81 >>> >>> Try to go for the highest number of joules vs. power outlets needed. >> >> The lightning will laugh it's ass off while it >> burns not just the MOVs, but also the equipment >> box and possibly, the shelf it's sitting on. >> The ONLY protection against a direct lightning >> hit is unplugging all equipment so it cannot be >> hit, unless one is willing to spend some very >> serious money. >> >> No offense, Antoine, but do some reading on >> lightning protection -- not from the people >> bent on selling useless stuff but from those >> that actually deal with lightning protection. >> >> -- Ron > From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat Jul 26 11:53:23 2008 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:53:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak References: <17d5ee910807241406l3e99857dt34d467e1a8622872@mail.gmail.com><48890C6D.9010305@verizon.net> <4889D748.20308@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <002601c8ef05$776371e0$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Kermit, Great info about electrical threats. Concerning lightning rods I once heard that lightning rods also could attract lightning and therefore was abandoned in many cases. We once lived in an old house with a thatched roof. After the lightning struck the house (before we arrived) they removed the wires on top of the roof and the rod it was connected to. Best Regards, Per Denmark Kermit wrote: ..."I do not understand why so many houses today lack lightning rods!" From savtech at xtra.co.nz Sat Jul 26 12:24:33 2008 From: savtech at xtra.co.nz (savtech at xtra.co.nz) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:24:33 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak References: Message-ID: <006701c8ef09$cc5b51a0$0601010a@SAVTECH> Hi, have enjoyed the excellent advice you have been offered. I'm on the side of unplugging the stuff you love and keeping it away from any obvious conductive areas where the lightning may do some rather agile path finding on its way to earth (via your equipment!). Definitely do some reading, it's cool stuff. I see that lightning rods were mentioned; certainly worth trying in a high risk area, although, in my experience, they are difficult to implement properly in a domestic environment - lots of nasty bends for the conductor to go around etc. But certainly, I agree with Kermit, a very good idea in the US. That, and a house built from high mu metal, and we'll all be safe! Cheers Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: boogie To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 3:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak Just wanted to get the opinion of those about what they do when the weather gets bad in the summer months when apart from rain we have to put up with thunder and lightening. Are we supposed to unplug our audio gear from the wall socket to avert likely damage due to spikes,etc? When I refer to audio gear this includes amps/preamps.tuners/decks and other power supplies for say turntables....etc. I find in the summer I am far more conscious about the weather and once the forecast sounds bad "with the likelihood of thundershowers" I unplug even though I want to listen. Any comments? If this topic has been exhausted before I am sorry. Cheers boogie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Jul 26 20:31:57 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:31:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak In-Reply-To: <002601c8ef05$776371e0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <17d5ee910807241406l3e99857dt34d467e1a8622872@mail.gmail.com><48890C6D.9010305@verizon.net> <4889D748.20308@yahoo.ca> <002601c8ef05$776371e0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <7AA27C78-FCC3-4194-92BA-A51969D35DE2@kvglabs.com> Thanks, Per! I will check oh this further. The wood-framed house I grew up in did have a lightning rod, but to my knowledge I don't think it ever experienced a lightning strike. However, it was destroyed by a tornado a week before its construction was finished. Tornado-proofing your stereo is a bit more difficult. On Jul 26, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Per wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > Great info about electrical threats. Concerning lightning rods > I once heard that lightning rods also could attract lightning and > therefore was abandoned in many cases. We once lived in an > old house with a thatched roof. After the lightning struck the > house (before we arrived) they removed the wires on top of the > roof and the rod it was connected to. > > Best Regards, > > Per > Denmark > > Kermit wrote: > > ..."I do not understand why so many houses today lack lightning rods!" > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Jul 26 20:51:25 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:51:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sacrilege? In-Reply-To: <02c501c8ed76$2bfaa6f0$83eff4d0$@com> References: <072320080320.24702.4886A38500012FB70000607E22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <014001c8ed65$4d368e80$e7a3ab80$@com> <02c501c8ed76$2bfaa6f0$83eff4d0$@com> Message-ID: <8E75B7DF-DFD7-4633-A9F8-9FEE7A0C35B8@kvglabs.com> Hey Graham, This fascinating "Nak-anecdote" sets me to thinking along two paths. Firstly, it has become common practice in m,any studios to use both analog and digital recorders to make an album. A typical approach is to track analog, dump to digital for editing and effects, then mix down to analog and make the CD from that. Another approach, which his one I often take, is to track digital, send some tracks to analog -- in essence making an analog deck the ultimate software DAW plug-in, edit digital, then mix down to analog. You'd be amazed what the sound of a Nakamichi cassette can do to enliven a track on your DAW, as well as other otherwise-lowly-regarded analog decks. My evil Uher has been the magic behind many a track, as has the truly awful sounding Pioneer CT-4141 -- which often works magic on lead guitar tracks!. A Nakamichi 600 adds a hard-to-describe polish to vocals, drum kit, keyboards, B3, and most strings. My faithful old Ampex 602 also is excellent for bigger-than-life vocals, amazing guitar solos, and most other instruments -- except piano. My otherwise-warm-but-a-bit-dull- sounding Pioneer RT-1011L brings those sterile digital reverb tracks alive, making them sound rich and full. Secondly, when I bought my Nakamichi decks in the 1970s, the climate was that most engineers were dissatisfied with the "obsolete LP" and the "inadequate" cassette. Everyone was eager to be rid of both and looked forward to new technologies that promised to deliver studio master quality copies to the consumer. So, my expectation was that within a few years the LP would be extinct, as well as cassettes. One result of this outlook was that I never pursued any research efforts into improving LP playback until the past few months. I never dreamed that over 30-years later I'd still be using cassettes and still enjoying LPs because the "superior, new technology" formats that were supposed to replace them just never really fulfilled their promise, in many instances. On Jul 24, 2008, at 5:15 AM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > Take a look-see @ http://www.moorestevie.com/press/mythos.html and > esp. the > article Cassetricity by John Oswald. Note in particular the bit which > reads, "Ken Oba shakes my bare hand with his sheathed one. No doubt > this > glove will be discarded before touching any of the Nakamichi > real-time-recorded, direct-from-digital metal cassettes he is proudly > describing to me. A cloned master recording of Joe Williams & His > Blues > All-Stars moans softly in the background. The original-once-removed > clone is > being fed in decoded analog form to thirty-two Nakamichi ZX-9 > recording > cassette decks, the decoder a deleted Sony product which has been > fastidiously reworked and repackaged under the Nakamichi name. " > > What?! Nakamichi were cloning ANALOGUE cassettes from DIGITAL > sources?? > AND they were using a re-vamped Sony decoder, and a deleted one at > that??? > I am SOOOO disappointed! Those paragons of virtue exposed as > Charlatans... > What else did they nick from Sony and re-badge?? (Jeff G, are you > reading > this? Did you buy that Sony/Nakamichi decoder at the same time you > bought > those ZX9's?? Come on, now - be Georgie Washington and own up if > you did!) > > > I am not sure I can even TOUCH my ZX9 now I find it may have been > sullied by > a hand that touched a Sony ... even if it were wearing a glove... > > (Offers over $4k will be considered very seriously!!!) > > ;o) > > Gra' > Graham Nelson -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Jul 26 21:34:08 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:34:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak In-Reply-To: <7AA27C78-FCC3-4194-92BA-A51969D35DE2@kvglabs.com> References: <17d5ee910807241406l3e99857dt34d467e1a8622872@mail.gmail.com><48890C6D.9010305@verizon.net> <4889D748.20308@yahoo.ca> <002601c8ef05$776371e0$b207010a@hurtignok> <7AA27C78-FCC3-4194-92BA-A51969D35DE2@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <103901c8ef56$939b8d10$bad2a730$@com> That's how the Munchkins get a their audio gear. Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 7:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak Thanks, Per! ... Tornado-proofing your stereo is a bit more difficult. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 26 14:36:36 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:36:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Wow, I think I'm dizzy Message-ID: <21593943.1217075796426.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> One other possible cause. Many misguided servicers will file scratches in the reel motor pulley trying to improve the idler tire grip. All this does is cause the torque to bounce badly, creating flutter. The pulley should be smooth. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Ron >Sent: Jul 25, 2008 5:51 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wow, I think I'm dizzy > > >hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >> David wrote: >> >> ".15% W7F on a BX-300? I wouldn't want to hear a Frach Horn on this one." >> >> >> Hi, David: >> >> Yeah, that is a BX-300 I found in my inventory. It's solid, mechanically and electronically, but the W/F was that high with the old AND new capstan belt. I should have checked a couple of things on this deck before rushing it onto eBay like that. > > >> Tomorrow I am going to lubricate the capstan bearings and check the capstan motor for dead spots, to see if I can get that W/F reading to go down. If I can improve things, I will announce it in the auction listing. If the deck doesn't respond to any further tweaking, I will announce that the W/F is a bit on the high side. > >Andy, the BX-300 has a DD capstan motor; it's >not prone to dead spots. However, dry capstan >bearings are definitely a possibility. I have >found that sometimes, a drop from the front of >the bearing is all it takes. At other times, I >had to remove both capstans and do a more thorough >job. I drench the bearing with light machine oil >and wait for it to be absorbed. Time consuming, >but it does do the trick. > >Good luck, > >-- Ron > > >> >> >> *andy* > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From gtsdave at bellsouth.net Sat Jul 26 16:46:37 2008 From: gtsdave at bellsouth.net (gtsdave) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:46:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... In-Reply-To: <072420081210.4739.4888712F00012DB20000128322165258069C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <012801c8ef2e$689294b0$6101a8c0@neptune> Reverse the channels, if problem moves to other channel, bingo it is the head -----Original Message----- From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net [mailto:hwbosshoss at comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] I Hate This Deck.... I have a 700ZXL deck that is possessed by the devil. (Maybe I should call it a 666ZXHELL instead!) When it was sent to me, the customer stated that "the left channel won't play". Fair enough--I plugged the deck in and found that this was indeed the case. No audio at all in the headphone jack OR in the line outputs, with Dolby on or off. (Right channel is fine.) Well, I THOROUGHLY analyzed the playback/Dolby board and the related circuitry and found nothing. In fact, I took the playback board out and tested it in another 700ZXL...it worked perfectly. So then I decided to measure the resistance of the playback head itself. BINGO. One side of the head measured approximately 202 ohms, but the other side measured open circuit (no reading). I remove the head block and take another reading directly at the head contacts and get the same results....open circuit on one side, the other side gets around 202 ohms. So, thinking I had nailed the problem, I asked the customer to send me another playback head from his stock of parts decks. Since he had a donor 700ZXL, this was no problem. I get the replacement head and, out of curiosity, decide to measure its resistance prior to installing it. Once again, one set of contacts measures open circuit while the other set measures approximately 202 ohms. And yes, I measured at the head contacts and got the same results. Out of desperation, I install the head anyway...you guessed it, no output in the left channel again! I should point out that the other 700ZXL in my possession measures approximately 202 ohms on BOTH sets of contacts and plays fine. What's going on? Could I really be the victim of TWO bad playback heads? Or is there some massive obvious thing I'm overlooking? I have also checked the following: I have thoroughly cleaned the pin connections for ALL of the plug-in boards. I have cleaned the relay contacts for both of the relays on the main board. I have re-soldered the pin contact connections for the playback head AND for the playback board itself. I have taken readings at the outputs of the playback board during playback..., as you might expect, there is indeed only a trickle of voltage coming from the left channel output, which can be traced all the way up to the playback head connector. I am seriously contemplating ZXL homicide here. What's going on? *andy* From huck at cogeco.ca Sat Jul 26 17:14:49 2008 From: huck at cogeco.ca (huck at cogeco.ca) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:14:49 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Cassette LED for Nak RX-202 Message-ID: <488B3F69.000001.03920@PC> -------Original Message------- From: huck at cogeco.ca Date: 7/23/2008 4:40:32 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Cassette LED for Nak RX-202 Hi: I am looking for a replacement LED for my Nak RX-202 cassette deck. This pic shows the part I need, preferably the whole unit with wiring and plug. Thanks, Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BackGrnd1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Eastern Standard Time, bobschneider8 at comcast.net writes: When I was a kid, I thought that most houses grounded their TV antenna, which then also served as a lightning rod. I suspect that, when folks switched to cable and dumped their roof antennas, they didn't think to put up a lighting rod. But while I have an antenna on my roof I use for FM, I don't actually know if it's grounded - I'll have to check. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailtone:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:59 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Inclement weather and your Nak Hi Antoine, On Jul 25, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > First of all, lightning could only hit your house if you don't have > any proper lightning protection. You shouldn't get a direct hit. > If you read about UL certified lightning protection systems, surge > suppressors make part of the equipment. > The surge suppressors would stop the voltage transients that might > still occur when lightning doesn't directly strike (we're not talking > about a million volts). You reminded me of something: be sure your house has a lightning rod! this should be obvious but I'm astonished by the number of houses in the USA that do not have lightning rods installed! This is such a cheap way to protect a house from a lightning strike! I do not understand why so many houses today lack lightning rods! -- Kermit Gray ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jul 26 21:58:14 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:58:14 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Sacrilege? Message-ID: <5212716.1217102294157.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Kermit, Then there were the multitrack analog where 5 channels were dumped to HD digital, edited and cleaned up, and then dubbed back to the multitrack. In Nashville this mishmash ended up on a Sony 2 track interstage digital and sent out for CD mastering, and also sent analog for 2 track mixdown for LP. Recording processes changed from flawless real-time recordings to addin tracks and discarding or fixing imperfections in the mastering process. Nak modified PCM to beta was largely used to make 2 track safeties. The vulnerability of beta tape and the nasty problem of overload margin (literally none, since the PCM data track disappears from the monitor at 0Vu) make this format useful as an mixdown or archive tool, but generally not a live recording format. (although many board mixes exit for Dead shows on PCM beta.) tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kermit Gray >Sent: Jul 26, 2008 1:51 PM >To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sacrilege? > >Hey Graham, > >This fascinating "Nak-anecdote" sets me to thinking along two paths. > >Firstly, it has become common practice in m,any studios to use both >analog and digital recorders to make an album. A typical approach is >to track analog, dump to digital for editing and effects, then mix >down to analog and make the CD from that. Another approach, which his >one I often take, is to track digital, send some tracks to analog -- >in essence making an analog deck the ultimate software DAW plug-in, >edit digital, then mix down to analog. You'd be amazed what the sound >of a Nakamichi cassette can do to enliven a track on your DAW, as well >as other otherwise-lowly-regarded analog decks. My evil Uher has been >the magic behind many a track, as has the truly awful sounding Pioneer >CT-4141 -- which often works magic on lead guitar tracks!. A >Nakamichi 600 adds a hard-to-describe polish to vocals, drum kit, >keyboards, B3, and most strings. My faithful old Ampex 602 also is >excellent for bigger-than-life vocals, amazing guitar solos, and most >other instruments -- except piano. My otherwise-warm-but-a-bit-dull- >sounding Pioneer RT-1011L brings those sterile digital reverb tracks >alive, making them sound rich and full. > >Secondly, when I bought my Nakamichi decks in the 1970s, the climate >was that most engineers were dissatisfied with the "obsolete LP" and >the "inadequate" cassette. Everyone was eager to be rid of both and >looked forward to new technologies that promised to deliver studio >master quality copies to the consumer. So, my expectation was that >within a few years the LP would be extinct, as well as cassettes. One >result of this outlook was that I never pursued any research efforts >into improving LP playback until the past few months. I never dreamed >that over 30-years later I'd still be using cassettes and still >enjoying LPs because the "superior, new technology" formats that were >supposed to replace them just never really fulfilled their promise, in >many instances. > >On Jul 24, 2008, at 5:15 AM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > >> Take a look-see @ http://www.moorestevie.com/press/mythos.html and >> esp. the >> article Cassetricity by John Oswald. Note in particular the bit which >> reads, "Ken Oba shakes my bare hand with his sheathed one. No doubt >> this >> glove will be discarded before touching any of the Nakamichi >> real-time-recorded, direct-from-digital metal cassettes he is proudly >> describing to me. A cloned master recording of Joe Williams & His >> Blues >> All-Stars moans softly in the background. The original-once-removed >> clone is >> being fed in decoded analog form to thirty-two Nakamichi ZX-9 >> recording >> cassette decks, the decoder a deleted Sony product which has been >> fastidiously reworked and repackaged under the Nakamichi name. " >> >> What?! Nakamichi were cloning ANALOGUE cassettes from DIGITAL >> sources?? >> AND they were using a re-vamped Sony decoder, and a deleted one at >> that??? >> I am SOOOO disappointed! Those paragons of virtue exposed as >> Charlatans... >> What else did they nick from Sony and re-badge?? (Jeff G, are you >> reading >> this? Did you buy that Sony/Nakamichi decoder at the same time you >> bought >> those ZX9's?? Come on, now - be Georgie Washington and own up if >> you did!) >> >> >> I am not sure I can even TOUCH my ZX9 now I find it may have been >> sullied by >> a hand that touched a Sony ... even if it were wearing a glove... >> >> (Offers over $4k will be considered very seriously!!!) >> >> ;o) >> >> Gra' >> Graham Nelson > > > >-- Kermit Gray >notarbene at kvglabs.com >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to Make Your Music Better >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >Telephone: 913-422-0957 >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From EL34GUY at aol.com Sun Jul 27 00:59:04 2008 From: EL34GUY at aol.com (EL34GUY at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:59:04 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 682zx switch Message-ID: Hello, Does anyone have the switch for tape selection on the 682zx? Mine is broken off and Id like to replace it if possible. Its the 3 position one that selects between normal, type 2, and metal tapes. Thanks a lot Mark **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryson2 at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 27 01:21:14 2008 From: ryson2 at sbcglobal.net (ryson2) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:21:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR1A question. Message-ID: <001401c8ef76$5024fd80$6701a8c0@RICHARDSON> I have a CR1A in my office that when it powered on it immediately turn on play function? If you press eject and have the door open when powering up, it does not engage the play function... Is been like that since I purchased used, and it is otherwise working correctly. Whats up with this? From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Jul 27 12:14:17 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:14:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OCO - 8096-D2 and Tandberg Azimuth Belts have Arrived ! In-Reply-To: <488A241B.9060205@marrscommunications.com> References: <488A241B.9060205@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: My dear Fred, Sorry as you wrote...marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com; the photos trough my Picasa photo organizer & G-mail account can't pass!. Please wrote me again very Diamond clear your E-mail...Thanks so much!. Peace, ALEX! Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:06:03 -0500 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OCO - 8096-D2 and Tandberg Azimuth Belts have Arrived ! Hi Alex, I am confused by your message? Please contact me off line. Thanks! Fred M. Alex Cozac wrote: Hi Fred, Maybe you got for my Tandberg TD-310 MK-2 a belt...the counter I changed by a generic & work well...; but the larger & wider one it's extremely loose!. Thanks so much, if yes the shipment will be to Israel! Cheers, Alex! > Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:12:30 -0500 > From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com > To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OCO - 8096-D2 and Tandberg Azimuth Belts have Arrived ! > > Hello Fellow Members, > > The Nakamichi 8096-D2 Capstan Belts and Tandberg Azimuth Belts, are now > in Stock ! > > Anyone who has the required equipment and a SERVICED machine worthy of > testing, and promises to post their findings for all to see, please > contact me OFF LINE for a "D-2" Sample. > > Shipping starts 7/28/08. > > Thanks ! Fred M. ( marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com ) > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. Get started. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Jul 27 15:45:02 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:45:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] I Hate THIS Deck, Too... Message-ID: <072720081345.29005.488C7BDE0006129C0000714D22155517249C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hello, All: I have always heard that the ZXL decks (700ZXL, 1000ZXL) can be very problematic.... Kind of like vintage Ferraris -- they work GREAT when they're working properly, but getting them to work properly can be murder. In addition to the 700ZXL with the bad playback head, I am trying to find the problem on another 700ZXL. This deck works perfectly -- all functions work exactly like they should, EXCEPT the External Noise Reduction. This customer has a Nakamichi external noise reduction unit that he wants to use with this deck. But the left channel of this deck will not work if the deck's noise reduction switch is switched to "Ext Noise Reduction". When the switch is set to "Out" or "Dolby", it works perfectly, but left channel playback AND recording do NOT work when the deck is set to "Ext Noise Reduction". NOTE: Since I don't have an external noise reduction unit in hand, I have simply patched the deck's Ext. Noise Reduction inputs and outputs together, for both playback (Decode) and record (Encode). This should work perfectly (with the exception that no actual noise reduction is taking place). HERE IS THE HARD PART: I have discovered that Ext Noise Reduction WILL work perfectly if I press down on the main circuit board, right next to the Dolby record board. If you're thinking that it must be the pin connectors for the Dolby record board, think again. I have re-soldered AND re-tensioned the pin connectors. That board is SOLIDLY connected. Look at the photo, showing the deck performing perfectly while I press down on the main board: http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/07-24-FIG3-majorclue.jpg I have checked the continuity of ALL of the main circuit board traces involved with the external noise reduction jacks. I have also checked the continuity of all the traces involved with the output of the Dolby record board and the Playback board. I have checked to make sure that the ground connection for the main board is good in all locations. So....what am I overlooking? After this, I will NEVER work on another ZXL deck again. It's as if these decks DON'T WANT to be fixed. *andy* From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Jul 27 17:37:16 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:37:16 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon output question Message-ID: <13107665.1217173036278.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jul 28 14:09:13 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:09:13 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] T-100 Message-ID: <15589399.1217246953353.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Jul 28 18:58:31 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:58:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I Hate THIS Deck, Too... In-Reply-To: <072720081345.29005.488C7BDE0006129C0000714D22155517249C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <072720081345.29005.488C7BDE0006129C0000714D22155517249C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <17d5ee910807280958l1ba039b5ld3bfe5b369052a3d@mail.gmail.com> Maybe there's a lifted trace or broken connection that works when the board is pulled out while you work on it, but not when it's in the normal position. 2008/7/27 : > > Hello, All: > > I have always heard that the ZXL decks (700ZXL, 1000ZXL) can be very problematic.... Kind of like vintage Ferraris -- they work GREAT when they're working properly, but getting them to work properly can be murder. > > In addition to the 700ZXL with the bad playback head, I am trying to find the problem on another 700ZXL. > > This deck works perfectly -- all functions work exactly like they should, EXCEPT the External Noise Reduction. > > This customer has a Nakamichi external noise reduction unit that he wants to use with this deck. > > But the left channel of this deck will not work if the deck's noise reduction switch is switched to "Ext Noise Reduction". When the switch is set to "Out" or "Dolby", it works perfectly, but left channel playback AND recording do NOT work when the deck is set to "Ext Noise Reduction". > > NOTE: Since I don't have an external noise reduction unit in hand, I have simply patched the deck's Ext. Noise Reduction inputs and outputs together, for both playback (Decode) and record (Encode). This should work perfectly (with the exception that no actual noise reduction is taking place). > > HERE IS THE HARD PART: I have discovered that Ext Noise Reduction WILL work perfectly if I press down on the main circuit board, right next to the Dolby record board. > > If you're thinking that it must be the pin connectors for the Dolby record board, think again. I have re-soldered AND re-tensioned the pin connectors. That board is SOLIDLY connected. > > Look at the photo, showing the deck performing perfectly while I press down on the main board: > > http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/07-24-FIG3-majorclue.jpg > > I have checked the continuity of ALL of the main circuit board traces involved with the external noise reduction jacks. I have also checked the continuity of all the traces involved with the output of the Dolby record board and the Playback board. I have checked to make sure that the ground connection for the main board is good in all locations. > > So....what am I overlooking? > > After this, I will NEVER work on another ZXL deck again. It's as if these decks DON'T WANT to be fixed. > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From fripp_em at yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 19:50:25 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I Hate THIS Deck, Too... In-Reply-To: <072720081345.29005.488C7BDE0006129C0000714D22155517249C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <228693.47742.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 7/27/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I have always heard that the ZXL decks (700ZXL, 1000ZXL) > can be very problematic.... Kind of like vintage Ferraris > -- they work GREAT when they're working properly, but > getting them to work properly can be murder. I have a rebuilt 700zxl from Willy and there are no problems with it- works like a charm. I have a second 700zxl I intend to have Willy service at some point, but for now there are no problems with it. The previous owner took very good care of it. These decks are old and problems are to be expected, but they are not beyond the capabilities of a good tech who knows Naks and has the correct tools. This is assuming someone hasn't abused them or destroyed them in attempting to repair them. We can ask Willy who has been working on both, but I don't think his impression is that the 700zxl is something he would avoid. I got the sense he was justly proud to sell me the deck he had rebuilt. I still think I got a bargain (and it came with a warranty). > > After this, I will NEVER work on another ZXL deck again. > It's as if these decks DON'T WANT to be fixed. I think that is a good idea. David From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 19:25:11 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I Hate THIS Deck, Too... In-Reply-To: <072720081345.29005.488C7BDE0006129C0000714D22155517249C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <822537.820.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is a possibility - dry solder or crack in a track - your pressing the board causes contact ???? Kannan --- On Sun, 7/27/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] I Hate THIS Deck, Too... To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 9:45 AM Hello, All: I have always heard that the ZXL decks (700ZXL, 1000ZXL) can be very problematic.... Kind of like vintage Ferraris -- they work GREAT when they're working properly, but getting them to work properly can be murder. In addition to the 700ZXL with the bad playback head, I am trying to find the problem on another 700ZXL. This deck works perfectly -- all functions work exactly like they should, EXCEPT the External Noise Reduction. This customer has a Nakamichi external noise reduction unit that he wants to use with this deck. But the left channel of this deck will not work if the deck's noise reduction switch is switched to "Ext Noise Reduction". When the switch is set to "Out" or "Dolby", it works perfectly, but left channel playback AND recording do NOT work when the deck is set to "Ext Noise Reduction". NOTE: Since I don't have an external noise reduction unit in hand, I have simply patched the deck's Ext. Noise Reduction inputs and outputs together, for both playback (Decode) and record (Encode). This should work perfectly (with the exception that no actual noise reduction is taking place). HERE IS THE HARD PART: I have discovered that Ext Noise Reduction WILL work perfectly if I press down on the main circuit board, right next to the Dolby record board. If you're thinking that it must be the pin connectors for the Dolby record board, think again. I have re-soldered AND re-tensioned the pin connectors. That board is SOLIDLY connected. Look at the photo, showing the deck performing perfectly while I press down on the main board: http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/07-24-FIG3-majorclue.jpg I have checked the continuity of ALL of the main circuit board traces involved with the external noise reduction jacks. I have also checked the continuity of all the traces involved with the output of the Dolby record board and the Playback board. I have checked to make sure that the ground connection for the main board is good in all locations. So....what am I overlooking? After this, I will NEVER work on another ZXL deck again. It's as if these decks DON'T WANT to be fixed. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 19:27:17 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR1A question. In-Reply-To: <001401c8ef76$5024fd80$6701a8c0@RICHARDSON> Message-ID: <235895.1303.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The switch - I think timer - check!! - is engaged in Play mode - so when a Nak gets the power, it goes immediately to play mode kannan --- On Sat, 7/26/08, ryson2 wrote: From: ryson2 Subject: [naktalk] CR1A question. To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 7:21 PM I have a CR1A in my office that when it powered on it immediately turn on play function? If you press eject and have the door open when powering up, it does not engage the play function... Is been like that since I purchased used, and it is otherwise working correctly. Whats up with this? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 28 18:54:12 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I Hate THIS Deck, Too... In-Reply-To: <072720081345.29005.488C7BDE0006129C0000714D22155517249C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <626351.97682.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy, Yes the ZXLs are very fastidious decks to fix. But their sound once repaired well is what makes the repair worthwhile! Please do not give up just yet with 2 ZXLs possessed by the devil Andy! Regards and cheer up! Ram --- On Sun, 7/27/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] I Hate THIS Deck, Too... To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 9:45 AM Hello, All: I have always heard that the ZXL decks (700ZXL, 1000ZXL) can be very problematic.... Kind of like vintage Ferraris -- they work GREAT when they're working properly, but getting them to work properly can be murder. In addition to the 700ZXL with the bad playback head, I am trying to find the problem on another 700ZXL. This deck works perfectly -- all functions work exactly like they should, EXCEPT the External Noise Reduction. This customer has a Nakamichi external noise reduction unit that he wants to use with this deck. But the left channel of this deck will not work if the deck's noise reduction switch is switched to "Ext Noise Reduction". When the switch is set to "Out" or "Dolby", it works perfectly, but left channel playback AND recording do NOT work when the deck is set to "Ext Noise Reduction". NOTE: Since I don't have an external noise reduction unit in hand, I have simply patched the deck's Ext. Noise Reduction inputs and outputs together, for both playback (Decode) and record (Encode). This should work perfectly (with the exception that no actual noise reduction is taking place). HERE IS THE HARD PART: I have discovered that Ext Noise Reduction WILL work perfectly if I press down on the main circuit board, right next to the Dolby record board. If you're thinking that it must be the pin connectors for the Dolby record board, think again. I have re-soldered AND re-tensioned the pin connectors. That board is SOLIDLY connected. Look at the photo, showing the deck performing perfectly while I press down on the main board: http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/07-24-FIG3-majorclue.jpg I have checked the continuity of ALL of the main circuit board traces involved with the external noise reduction jacks. I have also checked the continuity of all the traces involved with the output of the Dolby record board and the Playback board. I have checked to make sure that the ground connection for the main board is good in all locations. So....what am I overlooking? After this, I will NEVER work on another ZXL deck again. It's as if these decks DON'T WANT to be fixed. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rondoo at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 28 19:32:21 2008 From: rondoo at sbcglobal.net (Don Terry) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:32:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Help With BX-300 Message-ID: <0A43350B-BEE0-4D3E-A261-7A5D82640855@sbcglobal.net> I am new to this board, so my question may have been previously discussed. I purchased a used BX-300. Initially, when attempting to play a tape, the tape would run for about 3-4 seconds then stop, leaving some tape spooled outside of the cassette. Also, neither the fast forward nor the reverse would function. I cleaned the capstan and rollers with a dry swab, and it plays well. The fast forward now works, but the reverse does not function. When the reverse is activated, the motor runs for three or four seconds and then it reverts to stop. Any ideas/solutions would be appreciated. Thanks, Don From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Jul 28 20:09:56 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:09:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] I Hate THIS Deck, Too... Message-ID: <419BFCFB-5590-4944-8B94-409705F649D7@alumni.caltech.edu> The usual problem if it works except in some variation on the noise reduction switch is the relays on the main PCB. I know this is a long shot with your 'if I press on the board thing" but not impossible. First you need to verify (or say) if it's on the decode (playback) or encode (record) side. So first if you playback a tape does a signal appear at the decode output-to-NR jacks? Similarly for recording, is there a signal at the encode output-to-NR jacks? If one of these tests fail, then, IIRC, it's not the relays as the signal should appear there regardless of the position of the NR switch. The relays only change whether the signal from the input-from-NR jacks is pulled or a signal from inside the deck. If it passes the test, then you need to trace the signal from the relay pins. You should also hear a couple of "clicks" as the relay changes position when you move the NR switch to EXT, but it might be hard to tell one click from two clicks (one for each channel). You should also thus check the coil contacts, although I think if those were wrong you'd just get the wrong signal rather than no signal.-kby From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Jul 28 21:30:33 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:30:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR1A question. In-Reply-To: <001401c8ef76$5024fd80$6701a8c0@RICHARDSON> References: <001401c8ef76$5024fd80$6701a8c0@RICHARDSON> Message-ID: <488E1E59.6010107@verizon.net> ryson2 wrote: > I have a CR1A in my office that when it powered on it immediately turn > on play function? If you press eject and have the door open when > powering up, it does not engage the play function... > > Is been like that since I purchased used, and it is otherwise working > correctly. > > Whats up with this? Check the timer switch. If it's in the PLAY position, that's exactly what it should do. Try moving it to the OFF position. -- Ron From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Jul 28 21:30:57 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:30:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR1A question. In-Reply-To: <001401c8ef76$5024fd80$6701a8c0@RICHARDSON> References: <001401c8ef76$5024fd80$6701a8c0@RICHARDSON> Message-ID: <488E1E71.4010004@verizon.net> ryson2 wrote: > I have a CR1A in my office that when it powered on it immediately turn > on play function? If you press eject and have the door open when > powering up, it does not engage the play function... > > Is been like that since I purchased used, and it is otherwise working > correctly. > > Whats up with this? Check the timer switch. If it's in the PLAY position, that's exactly what it should do. Try moving it to the OFF position. -- Ron From huck at cogeco.ca Mon Jul 28 21:46:22 2008 From: huck at cogeco.ca (huck at cogeco.ca) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:46:22 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Cassette LED for Nak RX-202 Message-ID: <488E220E.000001.02064@PC> -------Original Message------- From: huck at cogeco.ca Date: 7/23/2008 4:40:32 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Cassette LED for Nak RX-202 Hi: I am looking for a replacement LED for my Nak RX-202 cassette deck. This pic shows the part I need, preferably the whole unit with wiring and plug. Maybe if someone knows the voltage or size, maybe I can get one from an electrical supply and re-solder it! Thanks, Huck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <072720081345.29005.488C7BDE0006129C0000714D22155517249C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <072720081345.29005.488C7BDE0006129C0000714D22155517249C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <488E22ED.4020003@verizon.net> I have run into this kind of problem many times, with several Nak decks and RE-2 Receiver. Each time, the culprit was intermittent opens on PCBs, which were a bear to locate. In most cases, I located a suspect area, then resoldered *all* connections in that area. To locate the bad area, I tap the PCB until I find where the tapping causes the signal to cut in and out (in this case, start around where you press the PCB). I then make the taps lighter, to zero in. A freezer can sometimes help (I got freezer cans at Radio Rat and All Electronics). When the suspect area is down to a couple of square inches, I resolder everything in sight. I also look at the area with a large magnifier -- in one case, the problem was a hairline crack in a track. Good luck, -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Hello, All: > > I have always heard that the ZXL decks (700ZXL, 1000ZXL) can be very problematic.... Kind of like vintage Ferraris -- they work GREAT when they're working properly, but getting them to work properly can be murder. > > In addition to the 700ZXL with the bad playback head, I am trying to find the problem on another 700ZXL. > > This deck works perfectly -- all functions work exactly like they should, EXCEPT the External Noise Reduction. > > This customer has a Nakamichi external noise reduction unit that he wants to use with this deck. > > But the left channel of this deck will not work if the deck's noise reduction switch is switched to "Ext Noise Reduction". When the switch is set to "Out" or "Dolby", it works perfectly, but left channel playback AND recording do NOT work when the deck is set to "Ext Noise Reduction". > > NOTE: Since I don't have an external noise reduction unit in hand, I have simply patched the deck's Ext. Noise Reduction inputs and outputs together, for both playback (Decode) and record (Encode). This should work perfectly (with the exception that no actual noise reduction is taking place). > > HERE IS THE HARD PART: I have discovered that Ext Noise Reduction WILL work perfectly if I press down on the main circuit board, right next to the Dolby record board. > > If you're thinking that it must be the pin connectors for the Dolby record board, think again. I have re-soldered AND re-tensioned the pin connectors. That board is SOLIDLY connected. > > Look at the photo, showing the deck performing perfectly while I press down on the main board: > > http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/07-24-FIG3-majorclue.jpg > > I have checked the continuity of ALL of the main circuit board traces involved with the external noise reduction jacks. I have also checked the continuity of all the traces involved with the output of the Dolby record board and the Playback board. I have checked to make sure that the ground connection for the main board is good in all locations. > > So....what am I overlooking? > > After this, I will NEVER work on another ZXL deck again. It's as if these decks DON'T WANT to be fixed. > > > *andy* From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Jul 28 21:58:27 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:58:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Help With BX-300 In-Reply-To: <0A43350B-BEE0-4D3E-A261-7A5D82640855@sbcglobal.net> References: <0A43350B-BEE0-4D3E-A261-7A5D82640855@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <488E24E3.9000301@verizon.net> Don Terry wrote: > I am new to this board, so my question may have been previously discussed. > I purchased a used BX-300. Initially, when attempting to play a tape, > the tape would run for about 3-4 seconds then stop, leaving some tape > spooled outside of the cassette. > Also, neither the fast forward nor the reverse would function. I > cleaned the capstan and rollers with a dry swab, and it plays well. The > fast forward now works, but the reverse does not function. > When the reverse is activated, the motor runs for three or four seconds > and then it reverts to stop. > Any ideas/solutions would be appreciated. > Thanks, Don The most common cause for this would be an idler tire that needs to be replaced. The job is not very difficult -- If you peruse the archives, you will find instructions. To check, carefully and thoroughly clean the tire rim. If that solves the problem (at least, temporarily) just replace the tire. It's a very low cost part. A less common cause is a bad reel motor. This is just as easy to replace, though far more expensive. Good luck, -- Ron From waxtayl at free.fr Tue Jul 29 00:22:35 2008 From: waxtayl at free.fr (waxtayl) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:22:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Help With BX-300 In-Reply-To: <0A43350B-BEE0-4D3E-A261-7A5D82640855@sbcglobal.net> References: <0A43350B-BEE0-4D3E-A261-7A5D82640855@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <488E46AB.50809@free.fr> Hi, It seems that the idler tire or the reel motor is the cause, hope this is the idler tire only... Try to clean the idler tire or change it for a new one, check on eBay, you will find it, "marrscommunication" if I'm right. See U. Don Terry a écrit : > I am new to this board, so my question may have been previously > discussed. > I purchased a used BX-300. Initially, when attempting to play a tape, > the tape would run for about 3-4 seconds then stop, leaving some tape > spooled outside of the cassette. > Also, neither the fast forward nor the reverse would function. I > cleaned the capstan and rollers with a dry swab, and it plays well. > The fast forward now works, but the reverse does not function. > When the reverse is activated, the motor runs for three or four > seconds and then it reverts to stop. > Any ideas/solutions would be appreciated. > Thanks, Don > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From EL34GUY at aol.com Tue Jul 29 02:41:04 2008 From: EL34GUY at aol.com (EL34GUY at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:41:04 EDT Subject: [naktalk] orange drop cap replacements?? Message-ID: Hello, If I have to replace caps on my dolby board on my 682ZX what do you guys recommend? Whats the best replacement caps? Thanks Mark **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwywit at telus.net Tue Jul 29 03:25:08 2008 From: dwywit at telus.net (Lindsay & Peter) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:25:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Help With BX-300 In-Reply-To: <0A43350B-BEE0-4D3E-A261-7A5D82640855@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <19740418213712.9709340630297972@priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net> I had that problem on a bx150 the following solved it http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm you can find replacements on ebay for around $5 plus shipping Regards Bronte883 -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Don Terry Sent: July 28, 2008 10:32 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Help With BX-300 I am new to this board, so my question may have been previously discussed. I purchased a used BX-300. Initially, when attempting to play a tape, the tape would run for about 3-4 seconds then stop, leaving some tape spooled outside of the cassette. Also, neither the fast forward nor the reverse would function. I cleaned the capstan and rollers with a dry swab, and it plays well. The fast forward now works, but the reverse does not function. When the reverse is activated, the motor runs for three or four seconds and then it reverts to stop. Any ideas/solutions would be appreciated. Thanks, Don ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 29 05:54:28 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:54:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] I Hate THIS Deck, Too... In-Reply-To: <626351.97682.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <072720081345.29005.488C7BDE0006129C0000714D22155517249C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <626351.97682.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <072920080354.10343.488E9473000C7FDA0000286722230703729B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Yes like a Rubicks cube disguised as a cassette deck. It took me at least 4-5 visits to the tech before "most" of the gremlins were excersized. I mean most because the Dolby C unit is AWOL. Fortunately, I have found that with a few tricks I can mask the residual hiss and enjoy nirvana. I recommend the same. -------------- Original message from shanti ramachandran : -------------- Andy, Yes the ZXLs are very fastidious decks to fix. But their sound once repaired well is what makes the repair worthwhile! Please do not give up just yet with 2 ZXLs possessed by the devil Andy! Regards and cheer up! Ram --- On Sun, 7/27/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] I Hate THIS Deck, Too... To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 9:45 AM Hello, All:I have always heard that the ZXL decks (700ZXL, 1000ZXL) can be veryproblematic.... Kind of like vintage Ferraris -- they work GREAT whenthey're working properly, but getting them to work properly can be murder.In addition to the 700ZXL with the bad playback head, I am trying to find theproblem on another 700ZXL.This deck works perfectly -- all functions work exactly like they should,EXCEPT the External Noise Reduction.This customer has a Nakamichi external noise reduction unit that he wants touse with this deck.But the left channel of this deck will not work if the deck's noisereduction switch is switched to "Ext Noise Reduction". When theswitch is set to "Out" or "Dolby", it works perfectly, butleft channel playback AND recording do NOT work when the deck is set to"Ext Noise Reduction".NOTE: Since I don't have an external noise reduction unit in hand, I havesimply patched the deck's Ext. Noise Reduction inputs and outputs together,for both playback (Decode) and record (Encode). This should work perfectly(with the exception that no actual noise reduction is taking place).HERE IS THE HARD PART: I have discovered that Ext Noise Reduction WILL workperfectly if I press down on the main circuit board, right next to the Dolbyrecord board.If you're thinking that it must be the pin connectors for the Dolby recordboard, think again. I have re-soldered AND re-tensioned the pin connectors. That board is SOLIDLY connected.Look at the photo, showing the deck performing perfectly while I press down onthe main board:http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/07-24-FIG3-majorclue.jpgI have checked the continuity of ALL of the main circuit board traces involvedwith the external noise reduction jacks. I have also checked the continuity ofall the traces involved with the output of the Dolby record board and thePlayback board. I have checked to make sure that the ground connection for themain board is good in all locations.So....what am I overlooking?After this, I will NEVER work on another ZXL deck again. It's as if thesedecks DON'T WANT to be fixed.*andy*========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 29 12:03:41 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I Hate THIS Deck, Too... In-Reply-To: <419BFCFB-5590-4944-8B94-409705F649D7@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <696902.66465.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kimo,   I think you hit this one on the head. Pressing the board would probably affect the main board onto which the two relays sit. The best thing to do is to change those relays anyway.   Rgds, BG --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Kimo B. Yap wrote: From: Kimo B. Yap Subject: [naktalk] I Hate THIS Deck, Too... To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 2:09 AM The usual problem if it works except in some variation on the noise reduction switch is the relays on the main PCB. I know this is a long shot with your 'if I press on the board thing" but not impossible. First you need to verify (or say) if it's on the decode (playback) or encode (record) side. So first if you playback a tape does a signal appear at the decode output-to-NR jacks? Similarly for recording, is there a signal at the encode output-to-NR jacks? If one of these tests fail, then, IIRC, it's not the relays as the signal should appear there regardless of the position of the NR switch. The relays only change whether the signal from the input-from-NR jacks is pulled or a signal from inside the deck. If it passes the test, then you need to trace the signal from the relay pins. You should also hear a couple of "clicks" as the relay changes position when you move the NR switch to EXT, but it might be hard to tell one click from two clicks (one for each channel). You should also thus check the coil contacts, although I think if those were wrong you'd just get the wrong signal rather than no signal.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jul 29 13:17:37 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:17:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Wow, I think I'm dizzy Message-ID: <072920081117.28335.488EFC510002A53200006EAF22155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Tom wrote: "One other possible cause. Many misguided servicers will file scratches in the reel motor pulley trying to improve the idler tire grip." Hi, Tom: Good point. But I am happy to say that when I changed the idler tire, the pulley had not been messed with. It had the same stock appearance I usually see. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jul 29 13:20:22 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:20:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] HELP WITH OUTPUT CONTROL FOR NAKAMICHI BX 125 CASSETTE DECK Message-ID: <072920081120.2001.488EFCF6000B5BCC000007D122155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Ali: I think I have the output control you are looking for on one of my BX parts decks. I will take a look and get back to you. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jul 29 13:26:36 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:26:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR1A question Message-ID: <072920081126.10945.488EFE6C000B081900002AC122155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> You wrote: "I have a CR1A in my office that when it powered on it immediately turn on play function?" Hi! Check the position of the timer switch, located just above the Play button. Make sure the switch is in its "Off" position. Enjoy your CR-1A...it is a surprisingly great sounding deck. *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jul 29 13:43:41 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:43:41 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] I Hate THIS Deck, Too... Message-ID: <072920081143.8235.488F026D000EEF300000202B22155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, David: When I said that I would never work on ZXL decks again, it was just an expression of exasperation, not an actual announcement. I was reacting to the irony that these two ZXL's would both present slighly unusual problems. *andy* From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 29 18:46:58 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:46:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Cassette LED for Nak RX-202 Message-ID: <32532818.1217350018400.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It would also be nice if you tell the consequences if one exceeds the rules. Allowing realtime posts would let you, and those that help you moderate this group, be able to skip reading every single message before it is passed on to the list. I hope you'll give it a try - again, again. THANKS for putting time and money down on www.naks.com and NakTalk which are invaluable ressources to many. Best Regards, Per (Borgen) Denmark From ra.ah at verizon.net Tue Jul 29 15:43:20 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:43:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Help With BX-300 In-Reply-To: <19740418213712.9709340630297972@priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net> References: <19740418213712.9709340630297972@priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net> Message-ID: <488F1E78.90601@verizon.net> Lindsay & Peter wrote: > I had that problem on a bx150 the following solved it > > http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm > > you can find replacements on ebay for around $5 plus shipping Or from MCM Electronics (part 32-5665) for less than a buck plus shipping. Get several; if your BX-300 uses the rubber idler (some decks use a gear idler) you will definitely need them in the future. -- Ron > > Regards > > Bronte883 > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Don Terry > Sent: July 28, 2008 10:32 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Help With BX-300 > > > I am new to this board, so my question may have been previously > discussed. > I purchased a used BX-300. Initially, when attempting to play a tape, > the tape would run for about 3-4 seconds then stop, leaving some tape > spooled outside of the cassette. > Also, neither the fast forward nor the reverse would function. I > cleaned the capstan and rollers with a dry swab, and it plays well. > The fast forward now works, but the reverse does not function. > When the reverse is activated, the motor runs for three or four > seconds and then it reverts to stop. > Any ideas/solutions would be appreciated. > Thanks, Don > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at verizon.net Tue Jul 29 15:35:45 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:35:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Cassette LED for Nak RX-202 In-Reply-To: <488E220E.000001.02064@PC> References: <488E220E.000001.02064@PC> Message-ID: <488F1CB1.2020803@verizon.net> huck at cogeco.ca wrote: > > Hi: I am looking for a replacement LED for my Nak RX-202 cassette deck. > This pic shows the part I need, preferably the whole unit with wiring > and plug. Maybe if someone knows the voltage or size, maybe I can get > one from an electrical supply and re-solder it! Thanks, Huck Are you sure this is an LED? In the manual it looks more like a 12V/70mA lamp. This lamp is going to be far easier to get than the whole assembly. Try Rat Shack. You may substitute a lower current lamp, though it may result in lower brightness, but not a higher current one. -- Ron > > Free Animations for your email - by IncrediMail! Click Here! > From greynlds at gmail.com Wed Jul 30 00:09:28 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:09:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] I do solemnly swear... In-Reply-To: <002e01c8f1a3$ad3a1fd0$b207010a@hurtignok> References: <002e01c8f1a3$ad3a1fd0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <37558C005BDD44379E636E712A2C7951@geoffprimary> The ideal situation would be if the list server software allows configuration of those who are moderated. Presumably the list of people who actually need moderation is reasonably short, so letting most people through would most certainly lessen the burden on the list owner and/or moderators. What I usually do on lists I own is to default all new members to moderated status. As they make a few posts and show an ability to behave, I set them to unmoderated status. Anyone who causes trouble goes back to moderated status or gets booted from the list as appropriate. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per" To: "NakTalk" Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: [naktalk] I do solemnly swear... > Hi Wouter, > > I think it is time for me to humbly suggest that you consider NakTalk be a > realtime list again where one can post an answer / question and see it > appear > immediately (or within seconds / minutes) > > We ought to be disciplined enough not to exceed the lines of good > behaviour. Essentially that means not posting something that we would not > like to receive > ourselves - and always keep the posts in a friendly tone. > > Whether we'll all have to swear by the bible and dump > the video on YouTube for you to acknowledge before letting us post - that > is up to you ;-) Maybe you could state some (strict) rules for posting at > the bottom of every message instead. It would also be nice if you tell > the consequences if one exceeds the rules. > > Allowing realtime posts would let you, and those that > help you moderate this group, be able to skip reading > every single message before it is passed on to the list. > > I hope you'll give it a try - again, again. THANKS for > putting time and money down on www.naks.com and > NakTalk which are invaluable ressources to many. > > Best Regards, > > Per (Borgen) > Denmark From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 01:34:11 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I Hate THIS Deck, Too... In-Reply-To: <072920081143.8235.488F026D000EEF300000202B22155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <589598.28187.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy, Just for the record the external dolby relay failing is a fairly common ZXL nuisance to be contended with. I am glad you were figurative than literal! Ram --- On Tue, 7/29/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] I Hate THIS Deck, Too... To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 7:43 AM Hi, David: When I said that I would never work on ZXL decks again, it was just an expression of exasperation, not an actual announcement. I was reacting to the irony that these two ZXL's would both present slighly unusual problems. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 01:37:10 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I do solemnly swear... In-Reply-To: <002e01c8f1a3$ad3a1fd0$b207010a@hurtignok> Message-ID: <367983.85025.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wouter, I second that as well.I would also add that no Naktalkers send any email attachments to their posts for every one's safety. Thanks. Ram --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Per wrote: From: Per Subject: [naktalk] I do solemnly swear... To: "NakTalk" Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 1:51 PM Hi Wouter, I think it is time for me to humbly suggest that you consider NakTalk be a realtime list again where one can post an answer / question and see it appear immediately (or within seconds / minutes) We ought to be disciplined enough not to exceed the lines of good behaviour. Essentially that means not posting something that we would not like to receive ourselves - and always keep the posts in a friendly tone. Whether we'll all have to swear by the bible and dump the video on YouTube for you to acknowledge before letting us post - that is up to you ;-) Maybe you could state some (strict) rules for posting at the bottom of every message instead. It would also be nice if you tell the consequences if one exceeds the rules. Allowing realtime posts would let you, and those that help you moderate this group, be able to skip reading every single message before it is passed on to the list. I hope you'll give it a try - again, again. THANKS for putting time and money down on www.naks.com and NakTalk which are invaluable ressources to many. 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URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Jul 30 03:11:49 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:11:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Does anyone know the voltage, type of LED for Nak RX-202 In-Reply-To: <488F8552.000006.00616@PC> References: <488F8552.000006.00616@PC> Message-ID: <488FBFD5.2010803@verizon.net> huck at cogeco.ca wrote: > Hi: Does anyone know the voltage,etc of the LED that lights up the > cassette compartment on my Nak RX-202 cassette deck, or where is a good > place to buy?! I would like to buy the whole deal rather than have to > re-solder, but I will if necessary! Thanks, Huck Already answered , Huck. And please, would you kindly post without extraneous stuff like animations? Thanks, -- Ron > FREE Animations for your email - by IncrediMail! Click Here! > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jul 30 07:22:12 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:22:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] I Hate THIS Deck, Too... Message-ID: <31178316.1217395332666.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> What have you done to convince yourself the two relays aren't at fault? You can monitor the external output with your T-100, and inject a test tone on external IN . This test will tell you which half of the external circuit has the problem. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Jul 27, 2008 8:45 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] I Hate THIS Deck, Too... > > >Hello, All: > >I have always heard that the ZXL decks (700ZXL, 1000ZXL) can be very problematic.... Kind of like vintage Ferraris -- they work GREAT when they're working properly, but getting them to work properly can be murder. > >In addition to the 700ZXL with the bad playback head, I am trying to find the problem on another 700ZXL. > >This deck works perfectly -- all functions work exactly like they should, EXCEPT the External Noise Reduction. > >This customer has a Nakamichi external noise reduction unit that he wants to use with this deck. > >But the left channel of this deck will not work if the deck's noise reduction switch is switched to "Ext Noise Reduction". When the switch is set to "Out" or "Dolby", it works perfectly, but left channel playback AND recording do NOT work when the deck is set to "Ext Noise Reduction". > >NOTE: Since I don't have an external noise reduction unit in hand, I have simply patched the deck's Ext. Noise Reduction inputs and outputs together, for both playback (Decode) and record (Encode). This should work perfectly (with the exception that no actual noise reduction is taking place). > >HERE IS THE HARD PART: I have discovered that Ext Noise Reduction WILL work perfectly if I press down on the main circuit board, right next to the Dolby record board. > >If you're thinking that it must be the pin connectors for the Dolby record board, think again. I have re-soldered AND re-tensioned the pin connectors. That board is SOLIDLY connected. > >Look at the photo, showing the deck performing perfectly while I press down on the main board: > >http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff58/eadgbe123/07-24-FIG3-majorclue.jpg > >I have checked the continuity of ALL of the main circuit board traces involved with the external noise reduction jacks. I have also checked the continuity of all the traces involved with the output of the Dolby record board and the Playback board. I have checked to make sure that the ground connection for the main board is good in all locations. > >So....what am I overlooking? > >After this, I will NEVER work on another ZXL deck again. It's as if these decks DON'T WANT to be fixed. > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Jul 30 14:19:36 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:19:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] "I do solemnly swear..." Yeah, you might but what about the others? In-Reply-To: <37558C005BDD44379E636E712A2C7951@geoffprimary> References: <002e01c8f1a3$ad3a1fd0$b207010a@hurtignok> <37558C005BDD44379E636E712A2C7951@geoffprimary> Message-ID: <0b4c01c8f23e$89b36a30$9d1a3e90$@com> I'm popping from the "sick bed" so to speak as I have a view on this matter. I'm an inactive moderator ('cos I ain't well), so it may be easier for me to spout forth than it should be! Wouter's call, anyway. However, I want to say I like it the way it is, and to explain why. The problem is that one small match causes a big forest fire VERY fast - and it's NOT usually thrown in the grass by a new member! The first signs of smoke causes folk to run off the list because they join for comradeship, not competition and war. We've lost a good few very special and knowledgeable contributors because of this happening - they either leave altogether or withdraw from contributing their knowledge and advice. Plus the fires leave embers glowing, ready to flare up again or spit sparks, as has happened not so far back. This isn't about "maturity". We may all be big boys with toys but we're largely mature guys. But there is, I think, a big difference (in my view) between the type of people who come here and any other group I've known (and moderated) before. Seems to me this list attracts an atypical kind of person - passionate and with a narrow focus on a special interest, competitive, head-strong and obsessively independently minded. So, when someone hits someone else's a Red button ... Pop! or Bang! Certainly, this is the most volatile group I've ever known. Where ever I've been before the only trouble has been with people who have deliberately joined to cause trouble or to stalk an individual and poison the waters for them. Even the Leak group, to which I also belong, never has waves like ours! Barely even a ripple! The Leakies are folk who are passionate about their tube gear as much as we are about Naks, but their profile is different. It is heavy with employees, not self-employed, senior people in hi fi manufacturing - NAD, B&W, Rega, etc. (The group even have two members of the Leak family on the list, which is akin to having Niro Nakamichi in ours.) Industry leaders they may be but they are not head strong. The conversation is always friendly and relaxed, never competitive, never a quarrel, never curt or aggressive, and ALWAYS good humoured. Never have I once have I heard "the (my) Leak ST70 superior to the (your) ST20...", "the Troughline III is the best tuner ever made", "Leaks are the best, Radford are the rest...", etc. Our group has been, and usually is, much the same in temperament as the Leak one, but (like me!) ours is Bipolar - its mood swings from peaceful to irritable and every so often way up to bitter aggression. In my opinion, that's not acceptable. And that's why we need moderators. Moderation is the Depakote or Lithium of the group - it damps down the extremes and keeps those ugly moods largely in check. So, I "vote" to keep moderation, except this isn't a democracy! Nor should it be. My tuppence worth. Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:09 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] I do solemnly swear... The ideal situation would be if the list server software allows configuration of those who are moderated. Presumably the list of people who actually need moderation is reasonably short, so letting most people through would most certainly lessen the burden on the list owner and/or moderators. What I usually do on lists I own is to default all new members to moderated status. As they make a few posts and show an ability to behave, I set them to unmoderated status. Anyone who causes trouble goes back to moderated status or gets booted from the list as appropriate. -- Geoffrey Reynolds From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Jul 30 23:00:25 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:00:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] "I do solemnly swear..." Yeah, you might but what about the others? Message-ID: <598CBB46-C9FB-489E-8B03-ADFBF6814F2C@alumni.caltech.edu> Well, I'm reasonably happy with the moderation although Geoff's point is well taken. The problem as Graham points out is things are a bit of a tinderbox and it doesn't take much to get everything looking like the Immolation Scene at the end of Götterdämmerung. And, it turns out, that, as in life, it's always easier to say something than un-say it. I've also noticed in moderating that sometimes things are not obviously developing badly, then all of a sudden, it's out of control. Even the most disciplined seem to occasionally need to be moderated, but then it's too late... That said, I could see having more people on the not-moderated list (but as Graham also points out, it's Wouter's call), but if so then the policy for getting stuck back in moderation should be fairly severe and well understood ahead of time to keep some members from feeling...discrimated against. Something like 30-days of moderation for each offense...-kby From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Jul 30 23:58:05 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:58:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] "I do solemnly swear..." Yeah, you might but what about the others? In-Reply-To: <598CBB46-C9FB-489E-8B03-ADFBF6814F2C@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <598CBB46-C9FB-489E-8B03-ADFBF6814F2C@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <0d0e01c8f28f$5933c7f0$0b9b57d0$@com> See below Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] "I do solemnly swear..." Yeah, you might but what about the others? Well, I'm reasonably happy with the moderation although Geoff's point is well taken. ... And, it turns out, that, as in life, it's always easier to say something than un-say it. Oh boy, that is SO true. (Mea Culpa, here and mostly elsewhere. Something us folk with BP fall over too often after a hypomanic episode, as in "Did I REALLY say/do that? Sh#t!" It's no joke because good relationships can be, and have been, ruined forever.) I've also noticed in moderating that sometimes things are not obviously developing badly, then all of a sudden, it's out of control. Even the most disciplined seem to occasionally need to be moderated, but then it's too late... Again, Mea Culpa, esp. when I'm manic or "mixed". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Jul 30 15:00:43 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:00:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] "I do solemnly swear..." Yeah, you might but what about the others? In-Reply-To: <0b4c01c8f23e$89b36a30$9d1a3e90$@com> References: <002e01c8f1a3$ad3a1fd0$b207010a@hurtignok> <37558C005BDD44379E636E712A2C7951@geoffprimary> <0b4c01c8f23e$89b36a30$9d1a3e90$@com> Message-ID: <489065FB.2030608@verizon.net> Graham A Nelson wrote: > I'm popping from the "sick bed" so to speak as I have a view on this matter. > > I'm an inactive moderator ('cos I ain't well), so it may be easier for me to > spout forth than it should be! Wouter's call, anyway. > > However, I want to say I like it the way it is, and to explain why. > > The problem is that one small match causes a big forest fire VERY fast - and > it's NOT usually thrown in the grass by a new member! > > The first signs of smoke causes folk to run off the list because they join > for comradeship, not competition and war. We've lost a good few very > special and knowledgeable contributors because of this happening - they > either leave altogether or withdraw from contributing their knowledge and > advice. Plus the fires leave embers glowing, ready to flare up again or > spit sparks, as has happened not so far back. > > This isn't about "maturity". We may all be big boys with toys but we're > largely mature guys. But there is, I think, a big difference (in my view) > between the type of people who come here and any other group I've known (and > moderated) before. Seems to me this list attracts an atypical kind of > person - passionate and with a narrow focus on a special interest, > competitive, head-strong and obsessively independently minded. So, when > someone hits someone else's a Red button ... Pop! or Bang! Certainly, this > is the most volatile group I've ever known. While I largely agree with you, may I point out that this is typical of *all* audio related groups. There is something to this hobby that makes people passionate to the point of belligerence. This is why I no longer participate in audio related news groups, where flaming and ad hominem attacks are a constant ugly presence. Some posters there hardly ever deal with audio topics, but limit their posts to constantly telling others what idiots they are. Compared to such groups, this list has had but few such ugly eruptions. I wonder if they justify constant moderation. Perhaps the 'moderation by exception' approach would serve just as well, allowing timely publications while lessening moderators work load. -- Ron > Where ever I've been before the > only trouble has been with people who have deliberately joined to cause > trouble or to stalk an individual and poison the waters for them. Even the > Leak group, to which I also belong, never has waves like ours! Barely even > a ripple! > > The Leakies are folk who are passionate about their tube gear as much as we > are about Naks, but their profile is different. It is heavy with employees, > not self-employed, senior people in hi fi manufacturing - NAD, B&W, Rega, > etc. (The group even have two members of the Leak family on the list, which > is akin to having Niro Nakamichi in ours.) Industry leaders they may be but > they are not head strong. The conversation is always friendly and relaxed, > never competitive, never a quarrel, never curt or aggressive, and ALWAYS > good humoured. Never have I once have I heard "the (my) Leak ST70 superior > to the (your) ST20...", "the Troughline III is the best tuner ever made", > "Leaks are the best, Radford are the rest...", etc. > > Our group has been, and usually is, much the same in temperament as the Leak > one, but (like me!) ours is Bipolar - its mood swings from peaceful to > irritable and every so often way up to bitter aggression. In my opinion, > that's not acceptable. And that's why we need moderators. Moderation is > the Depakote or Lithium of the group - it damps down the extremes and keeps > those ugly moods largely in check. So, I "vote" to keep moderation, except > this isn't a democracy! Nor should it be. > > My tuppence worth. > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Geoffrey Reynolds > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:09 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] I do solemnly swear... > > The ideal situation would be if the list server software allows > configuration of those who are moderated. Presumably the list of people who > > actually need moderation is reasonably short, so letting most people through > > would most certainly lessen the burden on the list owner and/or moderators. > What I usually do on lists I own is to default all new members to moderated > status. As they make a few posts and show an ability to behave, I set them > to unmoderated status. Anyone who causes trouble goes back to moderated > status or gets booted from the list as appropriate. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Jul 30 15:14:37 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:14:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Cassette LED for Nak RX-202 Message-ID: <073020081314.7409.4890693D000A030400001CF122147564029C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Ron is right -- it's a lamp, not an LED. Radio Shack won't be of much help. They carry a 12V/60mA lamp, but it is not the same design as the lamp that Huck needs. The cassette well lamp on the RX series is an axial type, with a cigar-shaped body and leads coming out of each end. The lamp sits inside of a rubber tube-shaped holder that is mounted onto the little PC board. In a pinch, you can use the Radio Shack lamp, but it won't fit exactly and won't be as bright. *andy* From huck at cogeco.ca Wed Jul 30 15:22:49 2008 From: huck at cogeco.ca (huck at cogeco.ca) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:22:49 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Cassette LED for Nak RX-202 Message-ID: <48906B29.000003.01072@PC> Hi: Sorry! I did not know about adding pics! How do I remove them? Thanks,Huck. Also, how do I respond to a reply to my post, other than e-mailing the person?. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BackGrnd.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Fair enough--I plugged the deck in and found that this was indeed the case. No audio at all in the headphone jack OR in the line outputs, with Dolby on or off. (Right channel is fine.) Well, I THOROUGHLY analyzed the playback/Dolby board and the related circuitry and found nothing. In fact, I took the playback board out and tested it in another 700ZXL...it worked perfectly. So then I decided to measure the resistance of the playback head itself. BINGO. One side of the head measured approximately 202 ohms, but the other side measured open circuit (no reading). I remove the head block and take another reading directly at the head contacts and get the same results....open circuit on one side, the other side gets around 202 ohms. So, thinking I had nailed the problem, I asked the customer to send me another playback head from his stock of parts decks. Since he had a donor 700ZXL, this was no problem. I get the replacement head and, out of curiosity, decide to measure its resistance prior to installing it. Once again, one set of contacts measures open circuit while the other set measures approximately 202 ohms. And yes, I measured at the head contacts and got the same results. Out of desperation, I install the head anyway...you guessed it, no output in the left channel again! I should point out that the other 700ZXL in my possession measures approximately 202 ohms on BOTH sets of contacts and plays fine. What's going on? Could I really be the victim of TWO bad playback heads? Or is there some massive obvious thing I'm overlooking? I have also checked the following: I have thoroughly cleaned the pin connections for ALL of the plug-in boards. I have cleaned the relay contacts for both of the relays on the main board. I have re-soldered the pin contact connections for the playback head AND for the playback board itself. I have taken readings at the outputs of the playback board during playback..., as you might expect, there is indeed only a trickle of voltage coming from the left channel output, which can be traced all the way up to the playback head connector. I am seriously contemplating ZXL homicide here. What's going on? *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 17:45:58 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I do solemnly swear... In-Reply-To: <37558C005BDD44379E636E712A2C7951@geoffprimary> Message-ID: <759191.61484.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > From: Geoffrey Reynolds > Subject: Re: [naktalk] I do solemnly swear... > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 3:09 PM > The ideal situation would be if the list server software > allows > configuration of those who are moderated. Presumably the > list of people who > actually need moderation is reasonably short, so letting > most people through > would most certainly lessen the burden on the list owner > and/or moderators. > What I usually do on lists I own is to default all new > members to moderated > status. As they make a few posts and show an ability to > behave, I set them > to unmoderated status. Anyone who causes trouble goes back > to moderated > status or gets booted from the list as appropriate. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per" > To: "NakTalk" > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:51 PM > Subject: [naktalk] I do solemnly swear... > > > > Hi Wouter, > > > > I think it is time for me to humbly suggest that you > consider NakTalk be a > > realtime list again where one can post an answer / > question and see it > > appear > > immediately (or within seconds / minutes) > > > > We ought to be disciplined enough not to exceed the > lines of good > > behaviour. Essentially that means not posting > something that we would not > > like to receive > > ourselves - and always keep the posts in a friendly > tone. > > > > Whether we'll all have to swear by the bible and > dump > > the video on YouTube for you to acknowledge before > letting us post - that > > is up to you ;-) Maybe you could state some (strict) > rules for posting at > > the bottom of every message instead. It would also be > nice if you tell > > the consequences if one exceeds the rules. > > > > Allowing realtime posts would let you, and those that > > help you moderate this group, be able to skip reading > > every single message before it is passed on to the > list. > > > > I hope you'll give it a try - again, again. THANKS > for > > putting time and money down on www.naks.com and > > NakTalk which are invaluable ressources to many. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Per (Borgen) > > Denmark > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Jul 30 17:48:13 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I do solemnly swear... Message-ID: <470468.63177.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Having had a message of mine rejected, and asking nicely if there was an explanation, while making it clear that I accepted the decision as the moderators right, I never got an answer. One of the moderators eventually responded that it wasn't them and maybe the list owner did it because... well they didn't really know. I'm probably now on the difficult person list:-( I will say though that I have never been on a list where the email is so out of order and randomly delayed. This might have something to do with having multiple moderators? Do they have an agreed upon schedule, or is it just when they can get to it? I'd like to see the list tighten up on ebay sellers hawking their services. It would be nice if the list was a little more like it was when I joined. It would also be nice not to get personal email defending people who I haven't actually attacked, just raised valid questions. I know of one former member who got very nasty emails that most of you never knew about by some very prolific NakTalk members... So naturally the list owner kicked the person getting the nasty email off the list. Makes sense huh? The nasty emailer is still opining incorrectly on the list and unfortunately a very knowledgeable member who insisted on honesty and accuracy is gone. (Fortunately, I still have access to his hundreds of belt and motors he bought in his search for replacements, which some of the techs on this list have benefited from, and some of you who have replacements base on his findings. We owe a lot to this unnameable person - I might get kicked off if I name him). David --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > From: Geoffrey Reynolds > Subject: Re: [naktalk] I do solemnly swear... > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 3:09 PM > The ideal situation would be if the list server software > allows > configuration of those who are moderated. Presumably the > list of people who > actually need moderation is reasonably short, so letting > most people through > would most certainly lessen the burden on the list owner > and/or moderators. > What I usually do on lists I own is to default all new > members to moderated > status. As they make a few posts and show an ability to > behave, I set them > to unmoderated status. Anyone who causes trouble goes back > to moderated > status or gets booted from the list as appropriate. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > -----------------========= From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Jul 30 18:14:07 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:14:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... Message-ID: <073020081614.16011.4890934F000592B000003E8B22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, now things are getting RIDICULOUS..... http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-7A-Discrete-Head-Cassette-Deck-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ110275377662QQihZ001QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From pathofpeng at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jul 30 20:25:27 2008 From: pathofpeng at yahoo.co.uk (Jack Frost) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:25:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Faulty Record Mute on LX-3 Message-ID: <16555.13681.qm@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi,   A problem has arisen with my LX-3 deck, if I try to record something the record mute light comes on and I can't turn it off.   Can anyone suggest how I can rectify this?   Many thanks,   Colin __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.rinewalt at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 03:14:35 2008 From: chris.rinewalt at gmail.com (Chris Rinewalt) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:14:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon output question In-Reply-To: <13107665.1217173036278.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13107665.1217173036278.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <79c3cfa80807301814p78a8decfj69445a9f791ee3f@mail.gmail.com> Tom, Thanks for your continued help in this matter. Forgive my ignorance, but I think I did this test as you had instructed. The Sony TC-WE475 manual states for the line outputs "rated output level 0.5V at a load impedence of 47 kilohms, load impedence over 10 kilohms." So based on your suggestion, I created a 400 hZ test tape, played it back on the Sony and set the record level on my sound card @ +5 dB. I then played back the test tape on both the Dragon and CR-7A @ a record level of 0dB. Is that correct? Unfortunately the Sony does not have a variable output, but playback of the tape was very near 0dB. The display of the unit is digital and the Dd symbol is actually part of the LED output, and the LED level segment directly it does not "split" it, but rather the Dd symbol is in the middle of that segment. But when playing back the tape, the output only reached the segment directly prior to the Dd one. In any event, going by what you stated, the spectrograms generated show the Naks to have a lower noiseprint (at http://www.thejesuslizard.net/naktest/ cr7a test tone.jpg, dragon test tone.jpg) than the Sony (tcwe test tone +5dB.jpg). I don't quite understand what you stated, but I think I get the gist of it; the Sony is "cheating" in it's specs. Although it may output at a certain level, it's not as "strong" as the Naks output. If I'm incorrect, please clarify if you can. As stated, I wanted to also look at other live music tapes to see if may be what I saw on the first tape was just an anomaly. I was only able to look at one other this past weekend, but it was interesting. Please look at the spectrogram tape 2.jpg. For the first ~ 17 minutes, that is a 1st gen tape from the original analog master. The remaining portions are unknown but higher analog generations from analog masters. As can be seen, there is some noise in the figure, but it basically ceases above 17.5 kHz. Compare this to the first tape I transferred, dragon-1.jpg, which had noise up until 21kHz +. So, I'm guess that if the Dragon was actually creating any noise in the playback, for the 2nd tape it should have been throughout the spectrum, similar to the 1st tape. Rather than the Dragon introducing any noise, it's seems likely that it's just really sensitive to whatever noise is present on the tape. That's far better than causing any noise. Any other Dragon owners wanting to try these tests out and see what they get? Chris On 7/27/08, Tom Brucker wrote: > > Chris, > > All Naks since day #1 permit play operation with no tape. This simplifies > cleaning! > > Make a 0Vu level recording 400Hz on either Nak, and set the playback level > on the Sony so the meter needle rests on the Dd dolby symbol printed on the > meter. Split the Dd with the needle. This is the reference level for all > cassette decks. Check the Sony's specifications for output level. If it is > not 1 volt, then add to your measurements. ie if Sony specs 0.7 volt output > level, add 3dB to the S?N measurements you get. > > Some decks keep the mpx filter engaged even when Dolby is off. The Sony may > be one of these decks. I saw what looked like a notch in the measurements > you posted. The notch is at 19kHz. That trick improves playback s/n! This > is why specifications are never to be trusted at face value. > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Rinewalt > Sent: Jul 25, 2008 1:22 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon output question > > Hello Henk, > Yes, Tom's first reply was to run the deck in play mode without a tape (no > recorded signal) at full output with Dolby off and then Dolby on to get > baseline SNR data for each deck. I was surprised to find that both the > Dragon and CR-7A did this without having to hold down a tape presence switch > like I do with my other decks. I'm completely new to Naks, as > I just received these 1-2 weeks ago. In any event, yes after > doing the test at full output, I then lowered the output back to the level > that approximated the Sony's output so that I could compare "apples to > apples" as they say. And yes, both the Dragon and CR-7A at this lower output > level performed as well, if not better than the Sony. However, this makes it > even more confusing that I'm seeing this increased noise from the Dragon's > output of this tape even when I lowered the output level to match that of > the Sony. In other words, the noise isn't there without a tape, but it is > there with the tape, but only on the Dragon. Perhaps it really is fairly > sensitive to higher frequencies and the Sony either can't pick it up or the > circuitry just filters it out? > > It's really only when the Dragon output is maximized > that the increased noise is seen and heard. Are you certain that an > increased output from the Dragon would not increase noise in the capture? It > seems that if the output is "amplified" from a level 8 to the max level 11, > then any noise present would also be amplified. Frequency in the spectral > view is not log scaled. I looked on the EAC website but could not find an > explanation as to what colors represent which amplitude values. > > I do have a Sony DTC-60ES DAT deck that can serve as an ADC, so I may check > the Dragon output that way as well. But again that deck also has an output > level control that could serve to amplify any noise from the deck, and make > the results more confusing. > > I'm not sure how I could accurately check that the Dragon or the CR-7A are > outputting at different levels as I don't have any meters or test gauges. > Perhaps I can use the Dragon's test tones to create a test tape and then > compare it's output on the Dragon to that of the CR-7A? That is a good idea > though, if the Dragon has a the higher output level, it may be causing the > greater noise in the digital transfer. > > I'm still waiting for my friend to do the baseline SNR capture on his deck > so that I can compare. I did, however, look at spectrogram's from files > generated from other live music tape captures that were transferred on > various other Nak decks (CR-7A, DR-3, DR-8), and it looks like the noise I > see on the Dragon is in-line with those others. However, I know that I can't > make any concrete conclusions because a) they weren't transferring the same > tape I was, b) they weren't using the same sound card I am and c) I don't > know what output levels and input levels they were using. > > This weekend I am going to start transferring more tapes with the Dragon > (and maybe with the CR-7A if the new idler tire shows up) and will see what > I can come up with. Perhaps it's just one of those things that the Dragon > doesn't excel @ 100% of all tapes and every so often I'll find one that it > does well with, but just doesn't live up to it's full potential. > > I've also replied to Tom's 2nd reply if you want to read that one. > > thanks again, > Chris > > > > On 7/23/08, ScHenk wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> I've read the digest responses from you. Tom's original message I could >> not >> read, but I deduct from your answer he suggested to make an analyses from >> the output signals without a tape being played. Is this true? If the tape >> is omitted completely you would have to fool the deck into play mode. If >> the play mode is not engaged you would not have to fool the deck. (but >> electronics >> are not allways fully engaged in this mode) >> If a tape is omitted completely the magnetic shield in the shell is >> missing >> and this will result in various magnetic spuriae, unique for each deck. >> >> I am intrigued here, that why I raise all these questions. >> >> Anyway, as you've have equalised the output levels of the three decks >> involved >> the large differences seem to have gone. The output level should not >> influence >> the signal coming from the deck in any way, so the differences are due to >> the processing of the ADC, which seems to create large differences. >> The diagrams are probably scaled and this will have some influence on the >> representation of the spurious noise. Frequency scaled logarithmic >> probably. >> Output intensity also? >> >> As the decreased output diagrams are showing no problems in the Dragon or >> the CR7 output signals I cannot conclude anything wrong with orange Caps. >> Can you verify the output levvel of the Dragon is higher then that of the >> CR7? If so, that explains the differences between the full output diagrams >> of them probably. >> >> Regards, >> Henk Schenk >> Netherlands >> www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >> <>>>>> >> >Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:23:43 -0800 >> >From: "Chris Rinewalt" >> >> >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon output question >> >> >To: naktalk at naks.com >> >Message-ID: >> > <79c3cfa80807222323q6a791b2vb0aff0313a43b0b4 at mail.gmail.com> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> > >> >Hello Tom, >> >Thank you for your reply as well. Sorry for the strange format of this >> >reply. I have my subcription set to digest and haven't yet received my >> daily >> >email. >> > >> >That's an excellent test, and I have uploaded the correspoding >> spectrograms >> >to my webspace, http://www.thejesuslizard.net/naktest/ . All >> spectrograms >> >are Dolby off->stop (black space)->Dolby C on. As can be seen, the >> baseline >> >for the Sony deck (tcwe no tape.jpg) shows none of the curious louder >> noise >> >(red dot) that the Dragon is showing. The CR-7A (cr7a no tape.jpg) also >> does >> >well. Keeping in mind that the Sony has fixed amplitude output, I lowered >> >the output knob on the Nak decks to approximate the levels output by the >> >sony. When this is done, the noise levels of the CR-7A (cr7a low level no >> >tape.jpg) is even better. Now then, when it comes to the Dragon, it shows >> >those red dots (indicating increased noise) on the non Dolby portion that >> >were present on the transfer indicated in my first post. This noise seems >> >greatest above 15 kHz. Then, when I lowered the output (dragon low level >> >no >> >tape.jpg) to approximate the Sony output, the noise seemed to disappear >> and >> >the spectrogram is similar to the other two decks. I do have a friend >> that >> >also has a Dragon and a CR-7A. I will ask him to do the same test and see >> >what his spectrograms show. >> > >> >So given all this, does it appear that the orange caps in my unit need >> >replacing? If so, what seems to be the going rate for performing this >> >service, and are there any qualified Nak repair techs on the west coast, >> >preferably in California? The Dragon is a 1985 model, so I had the >> sneaking >> >suspicion something might go wrong with it shortly after I purchased it. >> > >> >Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211hitech77 at earthlink.nethitech@bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anyone think a 482Z in excellent cosmetic condition which was allegedly working when packed away in its original box who knows how long ago is worth $75 US? I have two BX-300s now so I'm hardly desperate for another deck, but I'd hate to pass it up if it would be a nice addition. I can always sell my 2nd BX-300. Thanks for your input. Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Jul 31 23:06:12 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:06:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 482Z v. BX300 In-Reply-To: <529954.52014.qm@web84107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <529954.52014.qm@web84107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48922944.6060903@verizon.net> Larry Sachs wrote: > Hi all, > Any opinions as to whether the *482Z* is the equal or better than the > *BX-300*? Does anyone think a *482Z* in excellent cosmetic condition > which was allegedly working when packed away in its original box who > knows how long ago is worth $75 US? I have two *BX-300s* now so I'm > hardly desperate for another deck, but I'd hate to pass it up if it > would be a nice addition. I can always sell my 2nd *BX-300*. Thanks for > your input. > > Larry Some people may prefer the 482Z, for its classic transport, Dolby C and bias fine tuning. On the whole, though, these are fairly similar decks (dual capstans, 3 heads, etc). For everyday use, I'd say they are pretty equivalent. The serious hobbyiest would probably prefer the CR-5 or CR-7 to the BX-300 and the 582 (with or without the Z) to the 480. for the extra money one gets such niceties as built in test tones, better metering, etc.. Personally, I would much rather have one CR-5 to two or three BX-300s, but that's just me. Sonically, I think the BX-300/CR-5/CR-7 tend to sound a trifle more accurate/analytical, while the 582 family sounds a bit warmer; but you wouldn't notice (at least *I* didn't) until heard side by side. In any case, this is highly personal. -- Ron From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jul 31 21:33:38 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:33:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... In-Reply-To: <073020081614.16011.4890934F000592B000003E8B22165548869C9C0 1089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <073020081614.16011.4890934F000592B000003E8B22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080731193339.YTGO22786.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Andy, As soon as I saw your link, I knew EXACTLY which auction you were highlighting. Did you see what he wants for a CR1A? Of course, (wink, wink), all of these units were bought by him (wink, wink) and of course, he doesn't sell stuff in volume like tires, rims (wink, wink) and I know myself, I buy stuff for $1600, like the CR7A and leave it alone, you know, just in case a company like eBay comes along and I can sell it for three times the price. Sure beat Series H bonds. I tire very quickly of these auctions when it's obvious the guy is not the original owner and you can tell by the volume items they've sold in the past. At 12:14 PM 7/30/2008, you wrote: >OK, now things are getting RIDICULOUS..... > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-7A-Discrete-Head-Cassette-Deck-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ110275377662QQihZ001QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 21:47:16 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... In-Reply-To: <073020081614.16011.4890934F000592B000003E8B22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <594594.52310.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ANdy,   Chill. No ones going to really buy this one. Or are they?   Ram --- On Wed, 7/30/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 12:14 PM OK, now things are getting RIDICULOUS..... http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-7A-Discrete-Head-Cassette-Deck-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ110275377662QQihZ001QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 23:26:25 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] "I do solemnly swear..." Yeah, you might but what about the others? In-Reply-To: <073120081337.20484.4891C02E0002FF6C0000500422120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <373563.20504.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I would almost agree with you except today I am getting Naktalk mail from today and yesterday and it makes it difficult to follow the order. If I say something stupid or incorrect (yeah both happen) and want to correct it, when will my message get through? In a day or two? "No I didn't mean to remove that part like that, you'll wreck the deck, do this instead":-) Too late... OK, maybe that's not too likely, but really I've just never been on a list that had this kind of wacky transit time and order. You really need a paid full time moderator to do it this way. I again wonder if random oder multiple moderators contributes to the random transit order. If the list has to be strongly moderated, then just spooling up the mail, going through it once a day and then releasing the lot would at least get it out in some kind of order? David --- On Thu, 7/31/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] "I do solemnly swear..." Yeah, you might but what about the others? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: grahamanelson at googlemail.com > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 6:37 AM > I think things are fine the way they are. > > I recently tried to make a post that contained something > that Wouter felt might be controversial. > > He blocked my post and took the time to explain to me why > he did it. > > I saw his point, removed the controversial bit, and > re-posted. Everything turned out fine! > > > *andy* > From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Jul 31 23:48:26 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:48:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Absolutely RIDICULOUS... In-Reply-To: <073020081614.16011.4890934F000592B000003E8B22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <073020081614.16011.4890934F000592B000003E8B22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8EFAA804-4017-4841-A76C-D07E45C6912D@kvglabs.com> Andy, Did you notice he stole his description from Wouter's Naks.com website listing of the CR-07? I'll bid on it. I like paying way above market value for items. Why pay a fair price when you can pay too much? Phhht! For less than that price, you can buy a restored deck from Jeff Galin (ESL) and know you have a good tape deck! On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:14 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > OK, now things are getting RIDICULOUS..... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-7A-Discrete-Head-Cassette-Deck-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ110275377662QQihZ001QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > *andy* > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From greynlds at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 23:48:15 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:48:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] "I do solemnly swear..." Yeah, you might but what about the others? In-Reply-To: <489065FB.2030608@verizon.net> References: <002e01c8f1a3$ad3a1fd0$b207010a@hurtignok><37558C005BDD44379E636E712A2C7951@geoffprimary><0b4c01c8f23e$89b36a30$9d1a3e90$@com> <489065FB.2030608@verizon.net> Message-ID: <3D0322C5ED2B4B2BA8C79ABC5CCF90C7@geoffprimary> From: "Ron" > While I largely agree with you, may I point out > that this is typical of *all* audio related groups. > There is something to this hobby that makes people > passionate to the point of belligerence. I would take "audio related" out of your comment - all sorts of hobbies have very passionate people who get belligerent. I've seen it in computer hardware forums, computer software forums, cell phone forums, photography forums, car forums, offroading forums, etc. It's just the way people are, unfortunately, and I think many of us fall into the trap without really meaning to. But I have found that the threat of and judicious use of moderation almost always deals with the problem. If the moderators are happy with things the way they are and don't mind the burden of having to approve every post that gets through, that's fine (and it's obviously Wouter's list), but this list has enough traffic that I would think they would rather lessen the burden a bit. -- Geoffrey Reynolds g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2008\2008-June.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From ssingh0 at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 1 01:10:42 2008 From: ssingh0 at sbcglobal.net (satbir singh) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc Message-ID: <608832.17063.qm@web83730.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi.  I went to india and searched for someone with old cassettes with recordings that are priceless to me.  i found this small shop and bought a bunch of cassettes ~100.   thing is the shop owner copied the cassettes for me using one of those high speed cassette duplicating machines onto t-series "sensation" cassettes.  probably not the highest quality. I'd like to buy a cassette deck, play the cassettes into my pc soundcard (emu 1212m), and digitize them basically, and then sell the cassette deck.  What deck would be sufficient for my needs?  I can, if it will be worth it, stretch my pocket  & buy something like the dragon (i asked someone and they said the dragon's too much trouble for a newb though), but only if it's worth it.  The quality is already diminished so I'd like to get a deck that will do the best extracting what is there. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Sun Jun 1 01:20:51 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 19:20:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Rewind motor for 550 #3663104; recording heads for 600 #3815104 Message-ID: In a message dated 5/31/2008 4:16:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, beaucooke at comcast.net writes: I also need repair manuals for the 550 and 600. I tried on e-bay but no luck. Any ideas where else I might look? _http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/_ (http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/) they've got second generation hard copies of just about everything _http://www.ebaman.com/_ (http://www.ebaman.com/) this is a good but incomplete collection of manuals in PDF JW **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sun Jun 1 02:19:56 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 18:19:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Offline: Nakamichi 430 FM Tuner Message-ID: I would like to post this on audiotalk, but again need a quick answer. I have a chance to buy a Nakamichi 430 FM tuner at a fair price. I already own two Nakamichi ST-7 am/fm tuners. One which has Scott Johnson's wireless remote control device and strongly advise anyone who owns an ST-7, to by his remote unit, as well as the ones for Nak cassette decks. I noticed that the ST-7 tuner pulls in an underground fm radio station very well. I noticed that the 430 FM tuner also has Dolby FM.My question is does anyone know that the 430 pulls in stations just like the ST-7? Is the tuner reception perhaps weaker or stronger?Therefore I'm still debating whether I should buy the 430 tuner and appreciate any comments. _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_family_safety_052008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jun 1 02:22:25 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 20:22:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Help with calibrating Level Meters In-Reply-To: References: <48401037.9060607@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4841EBC1.1050702@rcn.com> Mercedes Benz wrote: > Thanks for your feedback Ron, > > So, if I understood you correct then, do you mean to say that I should > adjust the input level control on my deck to obtain 500mV first and then > set this as 0db on the voltmeter and then again adjust the input level > control to measure a relative -2db value below the previously set 0db? That's what the manual says and I do agree that it doesn't make good sense. However, Warren has an interesting and different interpretation of what the manual says. According to Warren, the '-2db' should be in parenthesis, denoting that the 500mV are simply -2db, referenced to 775mV. I have two problems with this explanation. First, 500mV is actually -4db, not -2db, referenced to 775mV. Second, looking at the CR-5 calibration manual, the instructions say to set the Voltmeter to '350mV -0.6db' (again, no parenthesis), which completely breaks Warren's explanation down. To be honest, I am truly and honestly puzzled, as I have never had occasion to adjust meter sensitivity on a Nak deck. I wish this came up recently, when I had am open deck on my bench. Would any of the more experienced experts here offer an explanation of the instructions? Tom? Kannan? Anyone? -- Ron > > Best regards, > ~Nadeem~ > > > > Nadeem, I have no idea what Nakamichi > > engineers had in mind when they wrote > > this procedure. Normally, 500mV -2db > > would means that you adjust for a > > reading of 2db under whatever db value > > corresponds to 500mV on Your meter. > > > > In most cases, 0 db on your meter will > > correspond to 775mV (0db=1mW/600ohm). > > However, this is immaterial, since the > > db is a relative unit, denoting a ratio, > > not an absolute number. > > > > The bottom line is that 500mV -2db is > > 397mV. I assume that this is what you > > should adjust your input level to. I > > hope to God that this is what the Nak > > engineers intended. At least, this is > > what they said :-). > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I doing it totally wrong, have I mis-understood the procedure or is > > > there something wrong with my deck? My Fluke meter was calibrated > at the > > > end of last year. Can someone please guide me in the right > direction? I > > > have'nt performed this procedure before so please think of me as a > layman. > > > > > > Thanks & best regards, > > > ~Nadeem~ From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Sun Jun 1 13:38:47 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:38:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Help with calibrating Level Meters In-Reply-To: <946794.97308.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <48401037.9060607@rcn.com> <946794.97308.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for your feedback Warren, Setting any reference voltage as 0db is not a problem on the Fluke meter. I can set any reference voltage to 0db and then measure the relative db change. If there are 2 different standards used for 0db, then which standard did Nakamichi use to measure db voltage on their decks? If they used 775mV as 0db then I can set this voltage as 0db reference and then adjust the input level on my CR-4 to obtain 500mV which should get me a relative value of -2db on the Fluke meter. If that is actually what you meant and I get a 500mV (-2db) on the Fluke meter then I can adjust the deck to display 0db on the Level meters at that output voltage. Best regards, ~Nadeem~ Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:21:53 -0700From: wbendler at sbcglobal.netSubject: Re: [naktalk] Help with calibrating Level MetersTo: naktalk at naks.comIt's missing a parenthesis, that's all. 500mV is -2dB relative to 775mV. It should read 500mV (-2dB). Your Fluke meter may be out of calibration, but 0dB on the fluke is probably 1VRMS, and 500mV on the fluke would be -3dB. There are 2 different standards for 0dB; 775mV and 1V. Just adjust your deck for 0dB reading at 500mV output.Warren _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Sun Jun 1 13:52:06 2008 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:52:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration. Message-ID: <2C686051768B45959F8FCC7C86143C63@superdator> Hi all Nak lovers out there! I´m new to this forum but not a newbee regarding Naks. I have collect and repaired them now for approx 10 years! Right now i have 8 decks in my collection but it varies from time to time. I usually buy brooken decks and fix them and sell them so that I can buy more!! The better stuff i always keep for my collection. Now i´ve come across a problem on a Dragon that i´ve never experienced before. When I do a calibration, the right channel level varies depending on if I choose dolby c or not. The level change is big! If I calibrate to zero db w/o dolby it drops to approx -20 db with dolby c selected. And only on the right channel. Second: does anywone knows why the Dragon users manual states that dolby should be switched off during calibration and the service manual states dolby on? Have a nice day/Par. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From badanth at aim.com Sun Jun 1 14:11:55 2008 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:11:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX100 idler tire and belt directions? In-Reply-To: <001f01c8c2de$057c4e60$6501a8c0@RICHARDSON> References: <001f01c8c2de$057c4e60$6501a8c0@RICHARDSON> Message-ID: <8CA91F7D0F38698-13F8-1B05@webmail-db17.sysops.aol.com> Here's the idler tire link http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm?I don't have the belt link though. Good luck, Anthony -----Original Message----- From: ryson2 To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sat, 31 May 2008 1:20 am Subject: [naktalk] BX100 idler tire and belt directions? Im sure this has been asked many times, I apologize, im new to forum...? ? Is there detailed directions online on how to change the belt and idler tire on a BX-100? I dont have a service manual and I am not so technically inclined.? ? -Ryan? ryson2 at sbcglobal.net? ? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist? Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sun Jun 1 14:33:42 2008 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:33:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts In-Reply-To: <117724.2988.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <117724.2988.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48429726.5000900@snet.net> Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the actual Nak 8096 belts years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for belts had been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke about the fact that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on them. I don't know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a point of testing and marking them himself (which is entirely possible). As received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, Ed shanti ramachandran wrote: > Tom and others, > > ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating direction of motion, so > the belt could be installed with the right orientation to obtain > perfect w/f numbers. > > One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I used for my ZX9 > recently had a red arrow, rather than a white arrow that we all know > in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in my ZX9 so > dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! > > Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. If Fred's belts are > good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others should supplement us > Nak heads with data to affirm this. > > Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun intended!) and > cherish our wonderful machines. > > Have a great weekend. > > Regards, > Ram > From m123123 at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 1 16:41:24 2008 From: m123123 at sbcglobal.net (Mequon Manufacture LLC) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Parts Message-ID: <858350.16020.qm@web83912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I had posted a complete dragon in parts on ebay, most of them sold, still have a few things left. Before I relist them, does anyone want to buy any of the following: Azimuth wire Main PCB complete Logic PCB complete SW PCB complete Power SW PCB complete Accessory PCB complete Transformer and Fuse PCB complete 110V (USA) Power Switch rod Headphone jack 3 knobs for lt/rt/op 1 knob monitor 6 flat knobs for monitor/dolby etc. Rgds Khan From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Jun 2 01:20:56 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Microphone Q & A In-Reply-To: <200806011003.m51A15YR003545@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <589563.64172.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Kermit, If nobody has done so otherwise, thank you for that wealth of info on mic types and/or recording with them. There is NO substitute for a lifetime of knowledge and practical experience, in any endeavor actually. Clearly, you can write volumes about doing so professionally! Eventually, I'll be recording live when I get back into it. Before, it was done professionally and I just watched the tapes spin, so I don't have a clue.;-) I'd like to try my Nak (also my Tandberg R2R's) and a couple of mics just to record 12 string guitar and vocals. Kevin From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Jun 2 16:00:17 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:00:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc In-Reply-To: <608832.17063.qm@web83730.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <039CD6B03C654319A2FD24FF0FD16821@GrahamNPC> I'm going to be sacrilegious here and suggest you don't buy a Nakamichi deck but a Pioneer with a FLEX circuit. My own is a CTS830S. Marc Hugo describes it nicely, "FLEX is very clever really, by assuming a standard frequency curve/distribution for recorded music, and boosting any frequencies where these are deficient, not only due to alignment or azimuth problems but due to wear (loss of magnetic particles) or loss of magnetic retentivity. And this, azimuth control cannot do.The range of frequencies subject to boosting seems to cover the entire spectrum and is not just more straightforward HF lift effect of Play Trim. If anyone has not tried this feature with a truly knackered, old tape......it's quite an eye/ear opener!! But if you put in a nice, newly recorded cassette...........hmmmm, nothing. You just can't catch it out!!" Some may argue that the Pioneers, even at that end of the spectrum, are not " high fidelity". Well, it's no ZX-9 or a Dragon, or ZXL but ... they don't have FLEX. If the "deterioration" of the tape is not merely azimuth alignment, as you can get when replaying a tape made on one machine and placed back on another, and it's genuine fading, then none of those machines can bring back the "life" in the music as well as a "higher end" end Pioneer with FLEX. Marc later said, "FLEX 1-F spectrum analysing is rather like a journalist. What he doesn't know, he makes up. However, less dramatic and far more accurate!! " So, if what interests you is the MUSIC rather than purist "hi fi", this is how I would - how I DO - do it. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of satbir singh Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:11 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc Hi. I went to india and searched for someone with old cassettes with recordings that are priceless to me. i found this small shop and bought a bunch of cassettes ~100. thing is the shop owner copied the cassettes for me using one of those high speed cassette duplicating machines onto t-series "sensation" cassettes. probably not the highest quality. I'd like to buy a cassette deck, play the cassettes into my pc soundcard (emu 1212m), and digitize them basically, and then sell the cassette deck. What deck would be sufficient for my needs? I can, if it will be worth it, stretch my pocket & buy something like the dragon (i asked someone and they said the dragon's too much trouble for a newb though), but only if it's worth it. The quality is already diminished so I'd like to get a deck that will do the best extracting what is there. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jun 2 15:02:30 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 06:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Help with calibrating Level Meters In-Reply-To: <4841EBC1.1050702@rcn.com> Message-ID: <103294.89806.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> it is little confusing to understand the nak manual - but follow the instruction literally , you will be fine. What Nak service manual says is Step 1-  connect the play output - in case play output is controlled with output vol control -set the control to max output. Step 2 - Measure 400 Hz on the play output (RCA jacks after doing step1 ) by signal generator connected to input - adjust the input control so that the voltage is 500 mV at the play output. ( there is no connection to Audio general standards like 775mV for 0dB etc and so follow the Nak manual)  {For Dragon 350mV at the specific measuring location and not the RCA jacks play output- read the service manual} Step 3 -Now adjust the input control to lower this 400Hz signal of 500mV by 0.6dB so that the meter just starts lighting up at this Voltage. You do this by adjusting meter preset meant for this step. This step makes sure that the light is on at 500mV as close to the correct level- at 0dB point on this meter. Since this meter is not accurate like your Volt meter, Nakamichi adjustment makes it easier to get to correct meter setting whenver you do this. So this 0.6dB step which is written by some Japanese translator with not very good English writing skills!   So Nakamichi sets the 0dB meter point to 500mV play output ( incase of many 3 heads ) while it is 1V for Dragon/CR7/ ZX9 etc due to these macines have play output level which is double that of say CR3 etc. But again you need 400Hz Nak alignment tape which references this 500mV output to a Magnetic flux level on the refrence tape -200nWB/Msq for Playback amp calibration. So you have to adjust meter first and then adjust playback output level with the playback calibration tape. Then you will find any Nak will play Dolby encoded (or  recorded on another Nak deck calibrated) tape correctly provided head tilt and azimuth are correct. In effect you need all thse to get the nak to work correctly.   So do not try to connect Nakamichi meter calibration to Audio level of 0dB standard references but follow the service manual.   By doing this many times, you will know what to do with Naks when it comes to alignment!   kannan --- On Sat, 5/31/08, Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com> wrote: From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help with calibrating Level Meters To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com> Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 8:22 PM Mercedes Benz wrote: > Thanks for your feedback Ron, > > So, if I understood you correct then, do you mean to say that I should > adjust the input level control on my deck to obtain 500mV first and then > set this as 0db on the voltmeter and then again adjust the input level > control to measure a relative -2db value below the previously set 0db? That's what the manual says and I do agree that it doesn't make good sense. However, Warren has an interesting and different interpretation of what the manual says. According to Warren, the '-2db' should be in parenthesis, denoting that the 500mV are simply -2db, referenced to 775mV. I have two problems with this explanation. First, 500mV is actually -4db, not -2db, referenced to 775mV. Second, looking at the CR-5 calibration manual, the instructions say to set the Voltmeter to '350mV -0.6db' (again, no parenthesis), which completely breaks Warren's explanation down. To be honest, I am truly and honestly puzzled, as I have never had occasion to adjust meter sensitivity on a Nak deck. I wish this came up recently, when I had am open deck on my bench. Would any of the more experienced experts here offer an explanation of the instructions? Tom? Kannan? Anyone? -- Ron > > Best regards, > ~Nadeem~ > > > > Nadeem, I have no idea what Nakamichi > > engineers had in mind when they wrote > > this procedure. Normally, 500mV -2db > > would means that you adjust for a > > reading of 2db under whatever db value > > corresponds to 500mV on Your meter. > > > > In most cases, 0 db on your meter will > > correspond to 775mV (0db=1mW/600ohm). > > However, this is immaterial, since the > > db is a relative unit, denoting a ratio, > > not an absolute number. > > > > The bottom line is that 500mV -2db is > > 397mV. I assume that this is what you > > should adjust your input level to. I > > hope to God that this is what the Nak > > engineers intended. At least, this is > > what they said :-). > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I doing it totally wrong, have I mis-understood the procedure or is > > > there something wrong with my deck? My Fluke meter was calibrated > at the > > > end of last year. Can someone please guide me in the right > direction? I > > > have'nt performed this procedure before so please think of me as a > layman. > > > > > > Thanks & best regards, > > > ~Nadeem~ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 2 16:56:38 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:56:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Help with calibrating Level Meters Message-ID: <3254192.1212418598071.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 18:17:59 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:17:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration. In-Reply-To: <2C686051768B45959F8FCC7C86143C63@superdator> Message-ID: <48441d41.02578c0a.5022.ffffb3ab@mx.google.com> I don’t know where you found that Dolby should be on for calibration in the manual. If it’s there it’s a misprint. Calibrations should always be done with Dolby off. If you’re experiencing that kind of high frequency roll off in “C” and all looks good with Dolby off, I would start with the “orange drop” caps in the Dolby circuit. Good hunting! Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Pär Ericsson Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 4:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration. Hi all Nak lovers out there! I´m new to this forum but not a newbee regarding Naks. I have collect and repaired them now for approx 10 years! Right now i have 8 decks in my collection but it varies from time to time. I usually buy brooken decks and fix them and sell them so that I can buy more!! The better stuff i always keep for my collection. Now i´ve come across a problem on a Dragon that i´ve never experienced before. When I do a calibration, the right channel level varies depending on if I choose dolby c or not. The level change is big! If I calibrate to zero db w/o dolby it drops to approx -20 db with dolby c selected. And only on the right channel. Second: does anywone knows why the Dragon users manual states that dolby should be switched off during calibration and the service manual states dolby on? Have a nice day/Par. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Mon Jun 2 18:23:40 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:23:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc In-Reply-To: <608832.17063.qm@web83730.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48441e96.15528c0a.08fe.ffffbe08@mx.google.com> Any of the basic two head Nakamichis will do the trick nicely for your purpose - BX-1, BX-100, CR-1 etc. Remember when using "not the best quality" tape to clean the tape path frequently - probably after each full tape play. Good recording! Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of satbir singh Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 4:11 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc Hi. I went to india and searched for someone with old cassettes with recordings that are priceless to me. i found this small shop and bought a bunch of cassettes ~100. thing is the shop owner copied the cassettes for me using one of those high speed cassette duplicating machines onto t-series "sensation" cassettes. probably not the highest quality. I'd like to buy a cassette deck, play the cassettes into my pc soundcard (emu 1212m), and digitize them basically, and then sell the cassette deck. What deck would be sufficient for my needs? I can, if it will be worth it, stretch my pocket & buy something like the dragon (i asked someone and they said the dragon's too much trouble for a newb though), but only if it's worth it. The quality is already diminished so I'd like to get a deck that will do the best extracting what is there. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Jun 2 18:26:42 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:26:42 EDT Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc Message-ID: In a message dated 6/2/2008 5:16:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ssingh0 at sbcglobal.net writes: Hi. I went to india and searched for someone with old cassettes with recordings that are priceless to me. i found this small shop and bought a bunch of cassettes ~100. thing is the shop owner copied the cassettes for me using one of those high speed cassette duplicating machines onto t-series "sensation" cassettes. probably not the highest quality. I'd like to buy a cassette deck, play the cassettes into my pc soundcard (emu 1212m), and digitize them basically, and then sell the cassette deck. What deck would be sufficient for my needs? I can, if it will be worth it, stretch my pocket & buy something like the dragon (i asked someone and they said the dragon's too much trouble for a newb though), but only if it's worth it. The quality is already diminished so I'd like to get a deck that will do the best extracting what is there. I'm doing exactly the same thing - archiving Indian tapes. The main problem with Indian tapes is extremely poor quality in the manufacturing, especially from certain labels like Rhythm House and Swarashree Enterprises. I don't have a Pioneer with FLEX to test out, but I don't think that's going to do anything for you, as many Indian tapes were manufactured so poorly that correcting them is a major project. You should at least get an equalizer to play them through. I hope you kept the original tapes, as copying them onto a second tape has probably compounded the problem. That's a good strategy if you are going to use the tapes over a number of years, but you want the original for archiving. Also, high-speed duplicators copy the second side in reverse, which guarantees an azimuth problem. There is one problem with Indian tapes which isn't generally known - they are extremely dirty. They shed particles like a wet dog. That is a real problem for what the Nak community calls the "classic transport." In my experience with hundreds of these tapes, they sound best on a 670ZX or 680. Many Indian tapes use the IEC I EQ standard, and that standard was still in use in Indian duplicating equipment long after the West moved to IEC II. The 670ZX and 680 are very, very good for tapes made with this standard. However, if you use them, they need to cleaned constantly when using Indian tapes, almost after every tape. For that reason, I have often used a BX-300 (which has adjustable speed), a CR-3, and a Cassette Deck 1 (which has adjustable azimuth) for archiving Indian tapes. They have a transport which doesn't get fouled as easily, and have almost the same sound reproduction. If you only want to spend a little money, get a CR-2. I used one for years as my "dedicated Indian tape deck" to prevent my other decks from being fouled, but I use the ones listed above for the actual archiving of Indian tapes. Good luck and happy listening. Who are the artists you're listening to? Jeff W **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 2 17:02:25 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:02:25 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc Message-ID: <17103581.1212418945453.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 2 17:07:01 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:07:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Offline: Nakamichi 430 FM Tuner Message-ID: <5239132.1212419221489.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 2 17:13:19 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:13:19 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Parts Message-ID: <20819656.1212419599745.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Khan, I'd take all of it is the price was right. The boards have a low likelyhood of use, but if someone has shipping damage they would be gold! The azimuth wire is the valuable thing. After what you received for the calibration buttons you are probably the record holder for a parted out Dragon! The other option is to make it a Naktalk donation unit. Send it here and if I see a request for a part that is in a donated Nak I send it out. The idea is to keep as many Naks running, not to make money. tom -----Original Message----- >From: Mequon Manufacture LLC >Sent: Jun 1, 2008 9:41 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Parts > >I had posted a complete dragon in parts on ebay, most >of them sold, still have a few things left. Before I >relist them, does anyone want to buy any of the >following: >Azimuth wire >Main PCB complete >Logic PCB complete >SW PCB complete >Power SW PCB complete >Accessory PCB complete >Transformer and Fuse PCB complete 110V (USA) >Power Switch rod >Headphone jack >3 knobs for lt/rt/op >1 knob monitor >6 flat knobs for monitor/dolby etc. >Rgds >Khan > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Mon Jun 2 21:31:03 2008 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:31:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration. References: <48441d41.02578c0a.5022.ffffb3ab@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <97C975E992CE4A148E68BB2ECC9A0C16@superdator> Willy! Thank you for your reply! I think I was a bit unclear in my description of my problem. So here comes some additional info! I discovered the problem when I made a recording. I calibrated the Dragon the same way I always do (400/15k 0db on vu) but the recording was extremly dull and lacked treble on the r/h channel. After some testing I found out that if I calibrated with dolby c ON, the recording was perfect. I have done some measurement and it seems that the levels in the bias section is different between the l/h and r/h channels. I will dig deeper in to this and will return with the result. Regarding the service manual statement about dolby: in para 11 mode column it states that "dolby NR switch/c/b in off position". However, in the remark column the first thing to do is to set "Dolby NR switch to C-type". It is a little bit confusing, because as you say: Dolby shall always be switched off when performing calibration. Thats it for now. I will return when i have done some more troubleshooting! Par. ----- Original Message ----- From: Willy Hermann To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon calibration. I don't know where you found that Dolby should be on for calibration in the manual. If it's there it's a misprint. Calibrations should always be done with Dolby off. If you're experiencing that kind of high frequency roll off in "C" and all looks good with Dolby off, I would start with the "orange drop" caps in the Dolby circuit. Good hunting! Willy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Pär Ericsson Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 4:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration. Hi all Nak lovers out there! I´m new to this forum but not a newbee regarding Naks. I have collect and repaired them now for approx 10 years! Right now i have 8 decks in my collection but it varies from time to time. I usually buy brooken decks and fix them and sell them so that I can buy more!! The better stuff i always keep for my collection. Now i´ve come across a problem on a Dragon that i´ve never experienced before. When I do a calibration, the right channel level varies depending on if I choose dolby c or not. The level change is big! If I calibrate to zero db w/o dolby it drops to approx -20 db with dolby c selected. And only on the right channel. Second: does anywone knows why the Dragon users manual states that dolby should be switched off during calibration and the service manual states dolby on? Have a nice day/Par. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 2 20:07:18 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts In-Reply-To: <48429726.5000900@snet.net> Message-ID: <866210.87382.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ed, Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and asked if it mattered how the arrow was oriented while replacing the belt, and was promptly told, to position it in the direction of motion for better w/f numbers. I listened and obeyed! May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all that we know.. and arrowed them according to numbers on w/f/. Regards, Ram Edward Noyes wrote: Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the actual Nak 8096 belts years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for belts had been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke about the fact that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on them. I don't know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a point of testing and marking them himself (which is entirely possible). As received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, Ed shanti ramachandran wrote: > Tom and others, > > ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating direction of motion, so > the belt could be installed with the right orientation to obtain > perfect w/f numbers. > > One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I used for my ZX9 > recently had a red arrow, rather than a white arrow that we all know > in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in my ZX9 so > dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! > > Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. If Fred's belts are > good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others should supplement us > Nak heads with data to affirm this. > > Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun intended!) and > cherish our wonderful machines. > > Have a great weekend. > > Regards, > Ram > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Jun 3 02:11:15 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:11:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts In-Reply-To: <866210.87382.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <268E1DC670714838ACA1EA948AF83C71@GrahamNPC> Or are these symbols just there to show which SIDE the belt should sit? I'm no expert but I'm as sceptical of arrows on belts as I am of arrows on interconnects and speaker cable But do they just enhance the mystique of the product or enhance the music? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:07 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts Ed, Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and asked if it mattered how the arrow was oriented while replacing the belt, and was promptly told, to position it in the direction of motion for better w/f numbers. I listened and obeyed! May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all that we know.. and arrowed them according to numbers on w/f/. Regards, Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Jun 2 22:21:13 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:21:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Parts In-Reply-To: <20819656.1212419599745.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <20819656.1212419599745.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002301c8c4ee$371988e0$a54c9aa0$@utah.edu> I could use the switch board. I need the pots. Who in their right mind would part out a dragon? Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:13 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Parts Khan, I'd take all of it is the price was right. The boards have a low likelyhood of use, but if someone has shipping damage they would be gold! The azimuth wire is the valuable thing. After what you received for the calibration buttons you are probably the record holder for a parted out Dragon! The other option is to make it a Naktalk donation unit. Send it here and if I see a request for a part that is in a donated Nak I send it out. The idea is to keep as many Naks running, not to make money. tom -----Original Message----- >From: Mequon Manufacture LLC >Sent: Jun 1, 2008 9:41 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Parts > >I had posted a complete dragon in parts on ebay, most >of them sold, still have a few things left. Before I >relist them, does anyone want to buy any of the >following: >Azimuth wire >Main PCB complete >Logic PCB complete >SW PCB complete >Power SW PCB complete >Accessory PCB complete >Transformer and Fuse PCB complete 110V (USA) >Power Switch rod >Headphone jack >3 knobs for lt/rt/op >1 knob monitor >6 flat knobs for monitor/dolby etc. >Rgds >Khan > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon Jun 2 22:29:10 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:29:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW In-Reply-To: <866210.87382.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <866210.87382.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48445816.4090207@marrscommunications.com> Hey, Just a reminder of what my factory guy said, for what it's worth . 9. I did NOT have the arrow placed on my 8096-D because the factory told me it was NOT worth the time and effort. When testing for Quality Control they never found over: +/- 0.01 to 0.02% difference in measurement due to direction of travel ! I invite everyone to test my "D" in both directions, but I doubt you will see additional improvement over the numbers above. 10. I just received my 2nd shipment of 8096-D's and did NOT have the line across the face installed for the same reasons above, in addition to cost savings. I can have the arrow and line installed on the next order IF everyone prefers that, but I am convinced it is a waste based on the factories comments. Fred M shanti ramachandran wrote: > Ed, > > Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and asked if it > mattered how the arrow was oriented while replacing the belt, and was > promptly told, to position it in the direction of motion for better > w/f numbers. I listened and obeyed! > > May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all that we know.. and > arrowed them according to numbers on w/f/. > > Regards, > > Ram > > > > > Edward Noyes wrote: > > Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the actual Nak 8096 > belts > years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for belts had > been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke about > the fact > that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on them. I > don't > know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a point of > testing and marking them himself (which is entirely possible). As > received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, > > Ed > > shanti ramachandran wrote: > > > Tom and others, > > > > ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating direction of > motion, so > > the belt could be installed with the right orientation to obtain > > perfect w/f numbers. > > > > One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I used for my ZX9 > > recently had a red arrow, rather than a white arrow that we all > know > > in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in my ZX9 so > > dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! > > > > Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. If Fred's > belts are > > good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others should > supplement us > > Nak heads with data to affirm this. > > > > Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun intended!) and > > cherish our wonderful machines. > > > > Have a great weekend. > > > > Regards, > > Ram > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 2 22:34:28 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <837656.40885.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mr Singh and Jeff, I have had mixed experiences with Indian made cassettes. The brands SONY, Venus and some T-series brands have been pretty good actually. no shedding. Good recording, although the azimuth is invariably way off. ABCL was good, but the company croaked as quick as it was launched. Many other lesser brands are horrible! I religiously use my Dragon on these tapes and have been able to archive them tape to tape with amazingly good results, with no other equalization. Some do require an equalized recording to make them sound good. On some tapes the Dragon does not do full azimuth justice. Here I have successfully used the CR7 with manual azimuth tweaking. Like you folks have stated, there are others( tapes) that are wet dogs and I usually fling these out the window into the trash can promptly. Another reason for these used prerecorded tapes to sound very dull is due to them previously being played on a severely magnetized deck/s, which causes highs to radically drop off. Some of these decks' erase heads are so errant, they literally wipe out the superficial recorded layer on every pass. I listen to Jagjit Singh, Ghulam Ali, ALlah rakha, Nusrat and also contemporary Hindi film music, esp RD Burman! in addition to Western jazz and an occasional classical tune. Hi Jeff, is your first name Bansi? That means flute as you very well know. Enjoy your music friends! Regards, Ram --- Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/2/2008 5:16:39 A.M. Pacific > Daylight Time, > ssingh0 at sbcglobal.net writes: > > > Hi. I went to india and searched for someone with > old cassettes with > recordings that are priceless to me. i found this > small shop and bought a bunch of > cassettes ~100. thing is the shop owner copied > the cassettes for me using > one of those high speed cassette duplicating > machines onto t-series > "sensation" cassettes. probably not the highest > quality. > > I'd like to buy a cassette deck, play the cassettes > into my pc soundcard > (emu 1212m), and digitize them basically, and then > sell the cassette deck. What > deck would be sufficient for my needs? I can, if it > will be worth it, > stretch my pocket & buy something like the dragon > (i asked someone and they said > the dragon's too much trouble for a newb though), > but only if it's worth it. > The quality is already diminished so I'd like to > get a deck that will do the > best extracting what is there. > > > > > > > I'm doing exactly the same thing - archiving Indian > tapes. The main problem > with Indian tapes is extremely poor quality in the > manufacturing, especially > from certain labels like Rhythm House and Swarashree > Enterprises. I don't > have a Pioneer with FLEX to test out, but I don't > think that's going to do > anything for you, as many Indian tapes were > manufactured so poorly that > correcting them is a major project. You should at > least get an equalizer to play > them through. > > I hope you kept the original tapes, as copying them > onto a second tape has > probably compounded the problem. That's a good > strategy if you are going to > use the tapes over a number of years, but you want > the original for archiving. > Also, high-speed duplicators copy the second side > in reverse, which > guarantees an azimuth problem. > > There is one problem with Indian tapes which isn't > generally known - they > are extremely dirty. They shed particles like a wet > dog. That is a real > problem for what the Nak community calls the > "classic transport." In my > experience with hundreds of these tapes, they sound > best on a 670ZX or 680. Many > Indian tapes use the IEC I EQ standard, and that > standard was still in use in > Indian duplicating equipment long after the West > moved to IEC II. The 670ZX and > 680 are very, very good for tapes made with this > standard. However, if you > use them, they need to cleaned constantly when > using Indian tapes, almost > after every tape. > > For that reason, I have often used a BX-300 (which > has adjustable speed), a > CR-3, and a Cassette Deck 1 (which has adjustable > azimuth) for archiving > Indian tapes. They have a transport which doesn't > get fouled as easily, and have > almost the same sound reproduction. If you only > want to spend a little > money, get a CR-2. I used one for years as my > "dedicated Indian tape deck" to > prevent my other decks from being fouled, but I use > the ones listed above for > the actual archiving of Indian tapes. > > Good luck and happy listening. Who are the artists > you're listening to? > > Jeff W > > > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. > Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Mon Jun 2 22:55:07 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:55:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? Message-ID: <002a01c8c4f2$f3ae8650$db0b92f0$@utah.edu> Has anyone notice the change in E-bay scores? I went from 100% to 91.7%? The new formula is: Positives/Positives + Neutrals + Negatives Is it me or is this formula misleading. Neutrals and Negatives have the same results? Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB From danbarham at aol.com Tue Jun 3 06:35:58 2008 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:35:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX recap Message-ID: <8CA934A7424182F-708-EB3@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops.aol.com> Greetings folks, I was thinking of re-capping my 680ZX since it is going on 28 years old now and the life of vintage electrolytics is maybe 20 years, give or take a few. I've been having more frequent problems with electrolytics of this vintage in various makes and types of equipment. Since I plan on keeping my ZX and I've already replaced all the rubber in the transport, recap is next in line. I went through the whole machine and verified every single electrolytic against the service manual and made my parts list. While I was at it, I noted all of the orange polypropylene caps as well. My question to the group is about the type of cap. The service manual lists many of the electrolytics as (LN). Does that stand for Low Noise? These are orange electrolytics and other than the orange cover, appear the same as the regular caps. What's the difference? Are modern caps advanced enough that I needn't worry? If it helps, I plan on using Nichicon PW's as they seem to be available in almost all of the values I need. I know there are other brands and more exotic stuff out there but I tend to go with what was good enough for Nakamichi is good enough for me. Although I believe the Nichicon PW's are a step up from the originals Nak used just because they are rated at 105 degrees C instead of 85 degrees C. Thoughts? Thanks in advance. Dan Barham Chicagoland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Jun 3 23:14:38 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:14:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Offline: Nakamichi 430 FM Tuner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, The sensitivity, selectivity and front-end noise of the 430 and ST-7 are similar, neither has any advantage with regard to sensitivity. The 430 has a more-aggressive muting circuit which can mask weak stations. The ST-7 has a superior AFC circuit, so it doesn't drift off station as much, although the 430 drifts far less than most receivers, even new ones, and should be regarded as quite satisfactory. I do not think any stations transmit FM Dolby anymore, the format wasn't popular because receiving sets had the decoder, except for a few quality models. Also, stations weren't anxious to spend the money for the quite-expensive enciders along with the ongoing license fees to Dolby (although some stations could obtain exemptions to the license fee requirements). My suggestion is that you're looking to the wrong solution to receiving weak stations. You have a fabulous tuner already, what you need is a better antenna. Skip the 430, get a fabulous antenna. For AM reception, nothing beats a longwire antenna or a large loop antenna, especially with a tunable trap to improve selectivity. For FM reception, I'd recommend a good wideband yagi to improve off-axis rejection and reduce multipath reflections. If you're in a fringe reception area, a wideband RF preamplifier may be desirable. You can make one cheaply from two FETs and only a few passive components built into a small metal box. Remember that FM propagation is line-of- sight, so reception of faint stations beyond 25 to 50 miles or so is not a realistic expectation, unless you live in flat, open terrain. I don't know who makes such antenna new any more, I've always made my own antennae. On May 31, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: > I would like to post this on audiotalk, but again need a quick answer. > I have a chance to buy a Nakamichi 430 FM tuner at a fair price. I > already own two Nakamichi ST-7 am/fm tuners. One which has Scott > Johnson's wireless remote control device and strongly advise anyone > who owns an ST-7, to by his remote unit, as well as the ones for Nak > cassette decks. > I noticed that the ST-7 tuner pulls in an underground fm radio > station very well. I noticed that the 430 FM tuner also has Dolby FM. > My question is does anyone know that the 430 pulls in stations just > like the ST-7? Is the tuner reception perhaps weaker or stronger? > Therefore I'm still debating whether I should buy the 430 tuner and > appreciate any comments. > > > > Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. Help > protect your kids. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: Dragon Parts (Tom Brucker) References: <200806031002.m53A0msD004137@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001201c8c56e$55cbe780$0201a8c0@harem> I have a Dragon with some missing leds... what kind of problem is this? someone can help me? thanks in advance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:02 PM Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. cassette deck to transfer to pc (satbir singh) > 2. Re: Rewind motor for 550 #3663104; recording heads for 600 > #3815104 (Bansijeff at aol.com) > 3. Offline: Nakamichi 430 FM Tuner (Mark Exstedt) > 4. Re: Help with calibrating Level Meters (Ron) > 5. RE: Help with calibrating Level Meters (Mercedes Benz) > 6. Dragon calibration. (P?r Ericsson) > 7. Re: BX100 idler tire and belt directions? (badanth at aim.com) > 8. Re: Nak Capstan Belts (Edward Noyes) > 9. Dragon Parts (Mequon Manufacture LLC) > 10. Microphone Q & A (Kevin Fetner) > 11. RE: cassette deck to transfer to pc (Graham A Nelson) > 12. Re: Help with calibrating Level Meters (kannan srinivasaraghavan) > 13. Re: Help with calibrating Level Meters (Tom Brucker) > 14. RE: Dragon calibration. (Willy Hermann) > 15. RE: cassette deck to transfer to pc (Willy Hermann) > 16. Re: cassette deck to transfer to pc (Bansijeff at aol.com) > 17. Re: cassette deck to transfer to pc (Tom Brucker) > 18. Re: Offline: Nakamichi 430 FM Tuner (Tom Brucker) > 19. Re: Dragon Parts (Tom Brucker) > 20. Re: Dragon calibration. (P?r Ericsson) > 21. Re: Nak Capstan Belts (shanti ramachandran) > 22. RE: Nak Capstan Belts (Graham A Nelson) > 23. RE: Dragon Parts (Victor Gabrenas) > 24. Re: Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW (Marrs Communications) > 25. Re: cassette deck to transfer to pc (shanti ramachandran) > 26. New Ebay scores? (Victor Gabrenas) > 27. 680ZX recap (danbarham at aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:10:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: satbir singh > Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <608832.17063.qm at web83730.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi. I went to india and searched for someone with old cassettes with > recordings that are priceless to me. i found this small shop and bought a > bunch of cassettes ~100. thing is the shop owner copied the cassettes for > me using one of those high speed cassette duplicating machines onto > t-series "sensation" cassettes. probably not the highest quality. > I'd like to buy a cassette deck, play the cassettes into my pc soundcard > (emu 1212m), and digitize them basically, and then sell the cassette deck. > What deck would be sufficient for my needs? I can, if it will be worth it, > stretch my pocket & buy something like the dragon (i asked someone and > they said the dragon's too much trouble for a newb though), but only if > it's worth it. The quality is already diminished so I'd like to get a deck > that will do the best extracting what is there. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080531/4057c42b/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 19:20:51 EDT > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Rewind motor for 550 #3663104; recording heads > for 600 #3815104 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > In a message dated 5/31/2008 4:16:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > beaucooke at comcast.net writes: > > I also need repair manuals for the 550 and 600. I tried on e-bay but no > luck. Any ideas where else I might look? > > > > _http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/_ > (http://www.vintageaudiomanuals.com/) > > they've got second generation hard copies of just about everything > > > _http://www.ebaman.com/_ (http://www.ebaman.com/) > > this is a good but incomplete collection of manuals in PDF > > JW > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080531/15303036/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 18:19:56 -0600 > From: Mark Exstedt > Subject: [naktalk] Offline: Nakamichi 430 FM Tuner > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I would like to post this on audiotalk, but again need a quick answer. > I have a chance to buy a Nakamichi 430 FM tuner at a fair price. I already > own two Nakamichi ST-7 am/fm tuners. One which has Scott Johnson's > wireless remote control device and strongly advise anyone who owns an > ST-7, to by his remote unit, as well as the ones for Nak cassette decks. I > noticed that the ST-7 tuner pulls in an underground fm radio station very > well. I noticed that the 430 FM tuner also has Dolby FM.My question is > does anyone know that the 430 pulls in stations just like the ST-7? Is the > tuner reception perhaps weaker or stronger?Therefore I'm still debating > whether I should buy the 430 tuner and appreciate any comments. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. > http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_family_safety_052008 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080531/bf28fd80/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 20:22:25 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help with calibrating Level Meters > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <4841EBC1.1050702 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Mercedes Benz wrote: >> Thanks for your feedback Ron, >> >> So, if I understood you correct then, do you mean to say that I should >> adjust the input level control on my deck to obtain 500mV first and then >> set this as 0db on the voltmeter and then again adjust the input level >> control to measure a relative -2db value below the previously set 0db? > > That's what the manual says and I do agree that > it doesn't make good sense. However, Warren has > an interesting and different interpretation of > what the manual says. > > According to Warren, the '-2db' should be in > parenthesis, denoting that the 500mV are simply > -2db, referenced to 775mV. I have two problems > with this explanation. First, 500mV is actually > -4db, not -2db, referenced to 775mV. Second, > looking at the CR-5 calibration manual, the > instructions say to set the Voltmeter to '350mV > -0.6db' (again, no parenthesis), which completely > breaks Warren's explanation down. > > To be honest, I am truly and honestly puzzled, > as I have never had occasion to adjust meter > sensitivity on a Nak deck. I wish this came up > recently, when I had am open deck on my bench. > > Would any of the more experienced experts here > offer an explanation of the instructions? Tom? > Kannan? Anyone? > > -- Ron > > > >> >> Best regards, >> ~Nadeem~ >> >> >> > Nadeem, I have no idea what Nakamichi >> > engineers had in mind when they wrote >> > this procedure. Normally, 500mV -2db >> > would means that you adjust for a >> > reading of 2db under whatever db value >> > corresponds to 500mV on Your meter. >> > >> > In most cases, 0 db on your meter will >> > correspond to 775mV (0db=1mW/600ohm). >> > However, this is immaterial, since the >> > db is a relative unit, denoting a ratio, >> > not an absolute number. >> > >> > The bottom line is that 500mV -2db is >> > 397mV. I assume that this is what you >> > should adjust your input level to. I >> > hope to God that this is what the Nak >> > engineers intended. At least, this is >> > what they said :-). >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Am I doing it totally wrong, have I mis-understood the procedure or >> is >> > > there something wrong with my deck? My Fluke meter was calibrated >> at the >> > > end of last year. Can someone please guide me in the right >> direction? I >> > > have'nt performed this procedure before so please think of me as a >> layman. >> > > >> > > Thanks & best regards, >> > > ~Nadeem~ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 11:38:47 +0000 > From: Mercedes Benz > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Help with calibrating Level Meters > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Thanks for your feedback Warren, > > Setting any reference voltage as 0db is not a problem on the Fluke meter. > I can set any reference voltage to 0db and then measure the relative db > change. > > If there are 2 different standards used for 0db, then which standard did > Nakamichi use to measure db voltage on their decks? If they used 775mV as > 0db then I can set this voltage as 0db reference and then adjust the input > level on my CR-4 to obtain 500mV which should get me a relative value > of -2db on the Fluke meter. > > If that is actually what you meant and I get a 500mV (-2db) on the Fluke > meter then I can adjust the deck to display 0db on the Level meters at > that output voltage. > > Best regards, > ~Nadeem~ > > > > > > Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:21:53 -0700From: wbendler at sbcglobal.netSubject: > Re: [naktalk] Help with calibrating Level MetersTo: naktalk at naks.comIt's > missing a parenthesis, that's all. 500mV is -2dB relative to 775mV. It > should read 500mV (-2dB). Your Fluke meter may be out of calibration, but > 0dB on the fluke is probably 1VRMS, and 500mV on the fluke would be -3dB. > There are 2 different standards for 0dB; 775mV and 1V. Just adjust your > deck for 0dB reading at 500mV output.Warren > _________________________________________________________________ > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080601/707954a1/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 13:52:06 +0200 > From: P?r Ericsson > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration. > To: > Message-ID: <2C686051768B45959F8FCC7C86143C63 at superdator> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi all Nak lovers out there! > > I´m new to this forum but not a newbee regarding Naks. I have collect and > repaired them now for approx 10 years! Right now i have 8 decks in my > collection but it varies from time to time. I usually buy brooken decks > and fix them and sell them so that I can buy more!! The better stuff i > always keep for my collection. > > Now i´ve come across a problem on a Dragon that i´ve never experienced > before. When I do a calibration, the right channel level varies depending > on if I choose dolby c or not. The level change is big! If I calibrate to > zero db w/o dolby it drops to approx -20 db with dolby c selected. And > only on the right channel. > > Second: does anywone knows why the Dragon users manual states that dolby > should be switched off during calibration and the service manual states > dolby on? > > Have a nice day/Par. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080601/989388a9/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:11:55 -0400 > From: badanth at aim.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX100 idler tire and belt directions? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8CA91F7D0F38698-13F8-1B05 at webmail-db17.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Here's the idler tire link http://www.eslabs.com/idler.htm?I don't have > the belt link though. > > Good luck, > Anthony > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ryson2 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sat, 31 May 2008 1:20 am > Subject: [naktalk] BX100 idler tire and belt directions? > > > Im sure this has been asked many times, I apologize, im new to forum...? > ? > Is there detailed directions online on how to change the belt and idler > tire on a BX-100? I dont have a service manual and I am not so technically > inclined.? > ? > -Ryan? > ryson2 at sbcglobal.net? > ? > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? > ? Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register? > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? > ? Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist? > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk? > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080601/1670eecc/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:33:42 -0400 > From: Edward Noyes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <48429726.5000900 at snet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the actual Nak 8096 belts > years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for belts had > been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke about the fact > that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on them. I don't > know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a point of > testing and marking them himself (which is entirely possible). As > received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, > > Ed > > shanti ramachandran wrote: > >> Tom and others, >> >> ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating direction of motion, so >> the belt could be installed with the right orientation to obtain >> perfect w/f numbers. >> >> One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I used for my ZX9 >> recently had a red arrow, rather than a white arrow that we all know >> in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in my ZX9 so >> dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! >> >> Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. If Fred's belts are >> good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others should supplement us >> Nak heads with data to affirm this. >> >> Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun intended!) and >> cherish our wonderful machines. >> >> Have a great weekend. >> >> Regards, >> Ram >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 07:41:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mequon Manufacture LLC > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Parts > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <858350.16020.qm at web83912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I had posted a complete dragon in parts on ebay, most > of them sold, still have a few things left. Before I > relist them, does anyone want to buy any of the > following: > Azimuth wire > Main PCB complete > Logic PCB complete > SW PCB complete > Power SW PCB complete > Accessory PCB complete > Transformer and Fuse PCB complete 110V (USA) > Power Switch rod > Headphone jack > 3 knobs for lt/rt/op > 1 knob monitor > 6 flat knobs for monitor/dolby etc. > Rgds > Khan > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 16:20:56 -0700 (PDT) > From: Kevin Fetner > Subject: [naktalk] Microphone Q & A > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <589563.64172.qm at web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Kermit, > If nobody has done so otherwise, thank you for that > wealth of info on mic types and/or recording with > them. There is NO substitute for a lifetime of > knowledge and practical experience, in any endeavor > actually. Clearly, you can write volumes about doing > so professionally! Eventually, I'll be recording live > when I get back into it. Before, it was done > professionally and I just watched the tapes spin, so I > don't have a clue.;-) I'd like to try my Nak (also my > Tandberg R2R's) and a couple of mics just to record 12 > string guitar and vocals. > > Kevin > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 15:00:17 +0100 > From: "Graham A Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <039CD6B03C654319A2FD24FF0FD16821 at GrahamNPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I'm going to be sacrilegious here and suggest you don't buy a Nakamichi > deck > but a Pioneer with a FLEX circuit. My own is a CTS830S. Marc Hugo > describes it nicely, "FLEX is very clever really, by assuming a standard > frequency curve/distribution for recorded music, and boosting any > frequencies where these are deficient, not only due to alignment or > azimuth > problems but due to wear (loss of magnetic particles) or loss of magnetic > retentivity. And this, azimuth control cannot do.The range of frequencies > subject to boosting seems to cover the entire spectrum and is not just > more > straightforward HF lift effect of Play Trim. If anyone has not tried this > feature with a truly knackered, old tape......it's quite an eye/ear > opener!! > But if you put in a nice, newly recorded cassette...........hmmmm, > nothing. > You just can't catch it out!!" Some may argue that the Pioneers, even at > that end of the spectrum, are not " high fidelity". Well, it's no ZX-9 or > a > Dragon, or ZXL but ... they don't have FLEX. If the "deterioration" of > the > tape is not merely azimuth alignment, as you can get when replaying a tape > made on one machine and placed back on another, and it's genuine fading, > then none of those machines can bring back the "life" in the music as well > as a "higher end" end Pioneer with FLEX. Marc later said, "FLEX 1-F > spectrum analysing is rather like a journalist. What he doesn't know, he > makes up. However, less dramatic and far more accurate!! " > > So, if what interests you is the MUSIC rather than purist "hi fi", this is > how I would - how I DO - do it. > > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of satbir singh > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:11 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc > > > Hi. I went to india and searched for someone with old cassettes with > recordings that are priceless to me. i found this small shop and bought a > bunch of cassettes ~100. thing is the shop owner copied the cassettes > for > me using one of those high speed cassette duplicating machines onto > t-series > "sensation" cassettes. probably not the highest quality. > > I'd like to buy a cassette deck, play the cassettes into my pc soundcard > (emu 1212m), and digitize them basically, and then sell the cassette deck. > What deck would be sufficient for my needs? I can, if it will be worth > it, > stretch my pocket & buy something like the dragon (i asked someone and > they > said the dragon's too much trouble for a newb though), but only if it's > worth it. The quality is already diminished so I'd like to get a deck > that > will do the best extracting what is there. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080602/7751c6c6/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 06:02:30 -0700 (PDT) > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help with calibrating Level Meters > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <103294.89806.qm at web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > it is little confusing to understand the nak manual - but follow the > instruction literally , you will be fine. What Nak service manual says is > Step 1-  connect the play output - in case play output is controlled > with output vol control -set the control to max output. > Step 2 - Measure 400 Hz on the play output (RCA jacks after doing > step1 ) by signal generator connected to input - adjust the input control > so that the voltage is 500 mV at the play output. ( there is no > connection to Audio general standards like 775mV for 0dB etc and > so follow the Nak manual) >  {For Dragon 350mV at the specific measuring location and not > the RCA jacks play output- read the service manual} > > Step 3 -Now adjust the input control to lower this 400Hz signal > of 500mV by 0.6dB so that the meter just starts lighting up at this > Voltage. You do this by adjusting meter preset meant for this > step. This step makes sure that the light is on at 500mV as close to > the correct level- at 0dB point on this meter. Since this meter is not > accurate like your Volt meter, Nakamichi adjustment makes it easier to get > to correct meter setting whenver you do this. So this 0.6dB step which is > written by some Japanese translator with not very good English > writing skills! >   > So Nakamichi sets the 0dB meter point to 500mV play output ( incase of > many 3 heads ) while it is 1V for Dragon/CR7/ ZX9 etc due to these macines > have play output level which is double that of say CR3 etc. > But again you need 400Hz Nak alignment tape which references > this 500mV output to a Magnetic flux level on the refrence > tape -200nWB/Msq for Playback amp calibration. > So you have to adjust meter first and then adjust playback output level > with the playback calibration tape. Then you will find any Nak will play > Dolby encoded (or  recorded on another Nak deck calibrated) tape > correctly provided head tilt and azimuth are correct. In effect you need > all thse to get the nak to work correctly. >   > So do not try to connect Nakamichi meter calibration to Audio level of 0dB > standard references but follow the service manual. >   > By doing this many times, you will know what to do with Naks when it comes > to alignment! >   > kannan > > --- On Sat, 5/31/08, Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com> wrote: > > From: Ron <ra.ah at rcn.com> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help with calibrating Level Meters > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com> > Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 8:22 PM > > Mercedes Benz wrote: > > Thanks for your feedback Ron, > > > > So, if I understood you correct then, do you mean to say that I > should > > adjust the input level control on my deck to obtain 500mV first and > then > > set this as 0db on the voltmeter and then again adjust the input > level > > control to measure a relative -2db value below the previously set > 0db? > > That's what the manual says and I do agree that > it doesn't make good sense. However, Warren has > an interesting and different interpretation of > what the manual says. > > According to Warren, the '-2db' should be in > parenthesis, denoting that the 500mV are simply > -2db, referenced to 775mV. I have two problems > with this explanation. First, 500mV is actually > -4db, not -2db, referenced to 775mV. Second, > looking at the CR-5 calibration manual, the > instructions say to set the Voltmeter to '350mV > -0.6db' (again, no parenthesis), which completely > breaks Warren's explanation down. > > To be honest, I am truly and honestly puzzled, > as I have never had occasion to adjust meter > sensitivity on a Nak deck. I wish this came up > recently, when I had am open deck on my bench. > > Would any of the more experienced experts here > offer an explanation of the instructions? Tom? > Kannan? Anyone? > > -- Ron > > > > > > > Best regards, > > ~Nadeem~ > > > > > > > Nadeem, I have no idea what Nakamichi > > > engineers had in mind when they wrote > > > this procedure. Normally, 500mV -2db > > > would means that you adjust for a > > > reading of 2db under whatever db value > > > corresponds to 500mV on Your meter. > > > > > > In most cases, 0 db on your meter will > > > correspond to 775mV (0db=1mW/600ohm). > > > However, this is immaterial, since the > > > db is a relative unit, denoting a ratio, > > > not an absolute number. > > > > > > The bottom line is that 500mV -2db is > > > 397mV. I assume that this is what you > > > should adjust your input level to. I > > > hope to God that this is what the Nak > > > engineers intended. At least, this is > > > what they said :-). > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I doing it totally wrong, have I mis-understood the > procedure or is > > > > there something wrong with my deck? My Fluke meter was > calibrated > > at the > > > > end of last year. Can someone please guide me in the right > > direction? I > > > > have'nt performed this procedure before so please think of > me as a > > layman. > > > > > > > > Thanks & best regards, > > > > ~Nadeem~ > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080602/9bf52fbf/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:56:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Help with calibrating Level Meters > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <3254192.1212418598071.JavaMail.root at elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080602/988b2c3f/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:17:59 -0700 > From: "Willy Hermann" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon calibration. > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <48441d41.02578c0a.5022.ffffb3ab at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I don't know where you found that Dolby should be on for calibration in > the > manual. If it's there it's a misprint. Calibrations should always be > done > with Dolby off. If you're experiencing that kind of high frequency roll > off > in "C" and all looks good with Dolby off, I would start with the "orange > drop" caps in the Dolby circuit. > > > > Good hunting! > > > > Willy > > > > _____ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Pär Ericsson > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 4:52 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration. > > > > Hi all Nak lovers out there! > > > > I´m new to this forum but not a newbee regarding Naks. I have collect and > repaired them now for approx 10 years! Right now i have 8 decks in my > collection but it varies from time to time. I usually buy brooken decks > and > fix them and sell them so that I can buy more!! The better stuff i always > keep for my collection. > > > > Now i´ve come across a problem on a Dragon that i´ve never experienced > before. When I do a calibration, the right channel level varies depending > on > if I choose dolby c or not. The level change is big! If I calibrate to > zero > db w/o dolby it drops to approx -20 db with dolby c selected. And only on > the right channel. > > > > Second: does anywone knows why the Dragon users manual states that dolby > should be switched off during calibration and the service manual states > dolby on? > > > > Have a nice day/Par. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080602/02c7e531/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:23:40 -0700 > From: "Willy Hermann" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <48441e96.15528c0a.08fe.ffffbe08 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Any of the basic two head Nakamichis will do the trick nicely for your > purpose - BX-1, BX-100, CR-1 etc. Remember when using "not the best > quality" tape to clean the tape path frequently - probably after each full > tape play. > > > > Good recording! > > > > Willy > > > > _____ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of satbir singh > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 4:11 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc > > > > Hi. I went to india and searched for someone with old cassettes with > recordings that are priceless to me. i found this small shop and bought a > bunch of cassettes ~100. thing is the shop owner copied the cassettes > for > me using one of those high speed cassette duplicating machines onto > t-series > "sensation" cassettes. probably not the highest quality. > > > > I'd like to buy a cassette deck, play the cassettes into my pc soundcard > (emu 1212m), and digitize them basically, and then sell the cassette deck. > What deck would be sufficient for my needs? I can, if it will be worth > it, > stretch my pocket & buy something like the dragon (i asked someone and > they > said the dragon's too much trouble for a newb though), but only if it's > worth it. The quality is already diminished so I'd like to get a deck > that > will do the best extracting what is there. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080602/3c5adfee/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:26:42 EDT > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > In a message dated 6/2/2008 5:16:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > ssingh0 at sbcglobal.net writes: > > > Hi. I went to india and searched for someone with old cassettes with > recordings that are priceless to me. i found this small shop and bought > a bunch of > cassettes ~100. thing is the shop owner copied the cassettes for me > using > one of those high speed cassette duplicating machines onto t-series > "sensation" cassettes. probably not the highest quality. > > I'd like to buy a cassette deck, play the cassettes into my pc soundcard > (emu 1212m), and digitize them basically, and then sell the cassette > deck. What > deck would be sufficient for my needs? I can, if it will be worth it, > stretch my pocket & buy something like the dragon (i asked someone and > they said > the dragon's too much trouble for a newb though), but only if it's worth > it. > The quality is already diminished so I'd like to get a deck that will do > the > best extracting what is there. > > > > > > > I'm doing exactly the same thing - archiving Indian tapes. The main > problem > with Indian tapes is extremely poor quality in the manufacturing, > especially > from certain labels like Rhythm House and Swarashree Enterprises. I > don't > have a Pioneer with FLEX to test out, but I don't think that's going to > do > anything for you, as many Indian tapes were manufactured so poorly that > correcting them is a major project. You should at least get an equalizer > to play > them through. > > I hope you kept the original tapes, as copying them onto a second tape has > probably compounded the problem. That's a good strategy if you are going > to > use the tapes over a number of years, but you want the original for > archiving. > Also, high-speed duplicators copy the second side in reverse, which > guarantees an azimuth problem. > > There is one problem with Indian tapes which isn't generally known - they > are extremely dirty. They shed particles like a wet dog. That is a real > problem for what the Nak community calls the "classic transport." In my > experience with hundreds of these tapes, they sound best on a 670ZX or > 680. Many > Indian tapes use the IEC I EQ standard, and that standard was still in > use in > Indian duplicating equipment long after the West moved to IEC II. The > 670ZX and > 680 are very, very good for tapes made with this standard. However, if > you > use them, they need to cleaned constantly when using Indian tapes, almost > after every tape. > > For that reason, I have often used a BX-300 (which has adjustable speed), > a > CR-3, and a Cassette Deck 1 (which has adjustable azimuth) for archiving > Indian tapes. They have a transport which doesn't get fouled as easily, > and have > almost the same sound reproduction. If you only want to spend a little > money, get a CR-2. I used one for years as my "dedicated Indian tape > deck" to > prevent my other decks from being fouled, but I use the ones listed above > for > the actual archiving of Indian tapes. > > Good luck and happy listening. Who are the artists you're listening to? > > Jeff W > > > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080602/242cfdd0/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:02:25 -0500 (GMT-05:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <17103581.1212418945453.JavaMail.root at elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080602/579ccfcd/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:07:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Offline: Nakamichi 430 FM Tuner > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , > "naktalk at naks.com" > Message-ID: > <5239132.1212419221489.JavaMail.root at elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080602/d39e47f4/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:13:19 -0500 (GMT-05:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Parts > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > <20819656.1212419599745.JavaMail.root at elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Khan, > I'd take all of it is the price was right. The boards have a low > likelyhood of use, but if someone has shipping damage they would be gold! > The azimuth wire is the valuable thing. After what you received for the > calibration buttons you are probably the record holder for a parted out > Dragon! The other option is to make it a Naktalk donation unit. Send it > here and if I see a request for a part that is in a donated Nak I send it > out. The idea is to keep as many Naks running, not to make money. > > tom > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Mequon Manufacture LLC >>Sent: Jun 1, 2008 9:41 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Parts >> >>I had posted a complete dragon in parts on ebay, most >>of them sold, still have a few things left. Before I >>relist them, does anyone want to buy any of the >>following: >>Azimuth wire >>Main PCB complete >>Logic PCB complete >>SW PCB complete >>Power SW PCB complete >>Accessory PCB complete >>Transformer and Fuse PCB complete 110V (USA) >>Power Switch rod >>Headphone jack >>3 knobs for lt/rt/op >>1 knob monitor >>6 flat knobs for monitor/dolby etc. >>Rgds >>Khan >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:31:03 +0200 > From: P?r Ericsson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon calibration. > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <97C975E992CE4A148E68BB2ECC9A0C16 at superdator> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Willy! > > Thank you for your reply! I think I was a bit unclear in my description of > my problem. So here comes some additional info! > > I discovered the problem when I made a recording. I calibrated the Dragon > the same way I always do (400/15k 0db on vu) > but the recording was extremly dull and lacked treble on the r/h channel. > After some testing I found out that if I calibrated > with dolby c ON, the recording was perfect. I have done some measurement > and it seems that the levels in the bias section > is different between the l/h and r/h channels. I will dig deeper in to > this and will return with the result. > > Regarding the service manual statement about dolby: in para 11 mode column > it states that "dolby NR switch/c/b in off position". > However, in the remark column the first thing to do is to set "Dolby NR > switch to C-type". It is a little bit confusing, because as > you say: Dolby shall always be switched off when performing calibration. > > Thats it for now. I will return when i have done some more > troubleshooting! > > Par. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Willy Hermann > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:17 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon calibration. > > > I don't know where you found that Dolby should be on for calibration in > the manual. If it's there it's a misprint. Calibrations should always be > done with Dolby off. If you're experiencing that kind of high frequency > roll off in "C" and all looks good with Dolby off, I would start with the > "orange drop" caps in the Dolby circuit. > > > > Good hunting! > > > > Willy > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of Pär Ericsson > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 4:52 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon calibration. > > > > Hi all Nak lovers out there! > > > > I´m new to this forum but not a newbee regarding Naks. I have collect and > repaired them now for approx 10 years! Right now i have 8 decks in my > collection but it varies from time to time. I usually buy brooken decks > and fix them and sell them so that I can buy more!! The better stuff i > always keep for my collection. > > > > Now i´ve come across a problem on a Dragon that i´ve never experienced > before. When I do a calibration, the right channel level varies depending > on if I choose dolby c or not. The level change is big! If I calibrate to > zero db w/o dolby it drops to approx -20 db with dolby c selected. And > only on the right channel. > > > > Second: does anywone knows why the Dragon users manual states that dolby > should be switched off during calibration and the service manual states > dolby on? > > > > Have a nice day/Par. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080602/c5bea4b4/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:07:18 -0700 (PDT) > From: shanti ramachandran > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <866210.87382.qm at web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Ed, > > Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and asked if it mattered > how the arrow was oriented while replacing the belt, and was promptly > told, to position it in the direction of motion for better w/f numbers. I > listened and obeyed! > > May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all that we know.. and > arrowed them according to numbers on w/f/. > > Regards, > > Ram > > > > > Edward Noyes wrote: Just for the record, I bought about > a dozen of the actual Nak 8096 belts > years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for belts had > been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke about the fact > that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on them. I don't > know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a point of > testing and marking them himself (which is entirely possible). As > received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, > > Ed > > shanti ramachandran wrote: > >> Tom and others, >> >> ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating direction of motion, so >> the belt could be installed with the right orientation to obtain >> perfect w/f numbers. >> >> One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I used for my ZX9 >> recently had a red arrow, rather than a white arrow that we all know >> in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in my ZX9 so >> dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! >> >> Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. If Fred's belts are >> good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others should supplement us >> Nak heads with data to affirm this. >> >> Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun intended!) and >> cherish our wonderful machines. >> >> Have a great weekend. >> >> Regards, >> Ram >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080602/567e0d21/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:11:15 +0100 > From: "Graham A Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <268E1DC670714838ACA1EA948AF83C71 at GrahamNPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Or are these symbols just there to show which SIDE the belt should sit? > I'm > no expert but I'm as sceptical of arrows on belts as I am of arrows on > interconnects and speaker cable But do they just enhance the mystique of > the > product or enhance the music? > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of shanti ramachandran > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:07 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts > > > Ed, > > Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and asked if it mattered > how > the arrow was oriented while replacing the belt, and was promptly told, to > position it in the direction of motion for better w/f numbers. I listened > and obeyed! > > May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all that we know.. and > arrowed > them according to numbers on w/f/. > > Regards, > > Ram > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080603/357bc929/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:21:13 -0600 > From: "Victor Gabrenas" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon Parts > To: "'Tom Brucker'" , "'Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <002301c8c4ee$371988e0$a54c9aa0$@utah.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I could use the switch board. I need the pots. > > Who in their right mind would part out a dragon? > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Tom Brucker > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:13 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Parts > > Khan, > I'd take all of it is the price was right. The boards have a low > likelyhood of use, but if someone has shipping damage they would be gold! > The azimuth wire is the valuable thing. After what you received for the > calibration buttons you are probably the record holder for a parted out > Dragon! The other option is to make it a Naktalk donation unit. Send it > here and if I see a request for a part that is in a donated Nak I send it > out. The idea is to keep as many Naks running, not to make money. > > tom > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Mequon Manufacture LLC >>Sent: Jun 1, 2008 9:41 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Parts >> >>I had posted a complete dragon in parts on ebay, most >>of them sold, still have a few things left. Before I >>relist them, does anyone want to buy any of the >>following: >>Azimuth wire >>Main PCB complete >>Logic PCB complete >>SW PCB complete >>Power SW PCB complete >>Accessory PCB complete >>Transformer and Fuse PCB complete 110V (USA) >>Power Switch rod >>Headphone jack >>3 knobs for lt/rt/op >>1 knob monitor >>6 flat knobs for monitor/dolby etc. >>Rgds >>Khan >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:29:10 -0500 > From: Marrs Communications > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <48445816.4090207 at marrscommunications.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Hey, > > Just a reminder of what my factory guy said, for what it's worth > . > 9. I did NOT have the arrow placed on my 8096-D because the factory > told me it was NOT worth the time and effort. When testing for Quality > Control they never found over: +/- 0.01 to 0.02% difference in > measurement due to direction of travel ! I invite everyone to test my > "D" in both directions, but I doubt you will see additional improvement > over the numbers above. > > 10. I just received my 2nd shipment of 8096-D's and did NOT have the > line across the face installed for the same reasons above, in addition > to cost savings. > > I can have the arrow and line installed on the next order IF everyone > prefers that, but I am convinced it is a waste based on the factories > comments. Fred M > > shanti ramachandran wrote: > >> Ed, >> >> Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and asked if it >> mattered how the arrow was oriented while replacing the belt, and was >> promptly told, to position it in the direction of motion for better >> w/f numbers. I listened and obeyed! >> >> May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all that we know.. and >> arrowed them according to numbers on w/f/. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ram >> >> >> >> >> Edward Noyes wrote: >> >> Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the actual Nak 8096 >> belts >> years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for belts had >> been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke about >> the fact >> that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on them. I >> don't >> know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a point of >> testing and marking them himself (which is entirely possible). As >> received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, >> >> Ed >> >> shanti ramachandran wrote: >> >> > Tom and others, >> > >> > ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating direction of >> motion, so >> > the belt could be installed with the right orientation to obtain >> > perfect w/f numbers. >> > >> > One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I used for my ZX9 >> > recently had a red arrow, rather than a white arrow that we all >> know >> > in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in my ZX9 so >> > dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! >> > >> > Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. If Fred's >> belts are >> > good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others should >> supplement us >> > Nak heads with data to affirm this. >> > >> > Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun intended!) and >> > cherish our wonderful machines. >> > >> > Have a great weekend. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Ram >> > >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080602/20425751/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:34:28 -0700 (PDT) > From: shanti ramachandran > Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <837656.40885.qm at web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Mr Singh and Jeff, > > I have had mixed experiences with Indian made > cassettes. > > The brands SONY, Venus and some T-series brands have > been pretty good actually. no shedding. Good > recording, although the azimuth is invariably way off. > ABCL was good, but the company croaked as quick as it > was launched. Many other lesser brands are horrible! > > I religiously use my Dragon on these tapes and have > been able to archive them tape to tape with amazingly > good results, with no other equalization. Some do > require an equalized recording to make them sound > good. On some tapes the Dragon does not do full > azimuth justice. Here I have successfully used the CR7 > with manual azimuth tweaking. > > Like you folks have stated, there are others( tapes) > that are wet dogs and I usually fling these out the > window into the trash can promptly. > > Another reason for these used prerecorded tapes to > sound very dull is due to them previously being played > on a severely magnetized deck/s, which causes highs to > radically drop off. Some of these decks' erase heads > are so errant, they literally wipe out the superficial > recorded layer on every pass. > > I listen to Jagjit Singh, Ghulam Ali, ALlah rakha, > Nusrat and also contemporary Hindi film music, esp RD > Burman! in addition to Western jazz and an occasional > classical tune. > > Hi Jeff, is your first name Bansi? That means flute as > you very well know. > > Enjoy your music friends! > Regards, > Ram > > > > --- Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 6/2/2008 5:16:39 A.M. Pacific >> Daylight Time, >> ssingh0 at sbcglobal.net writes: >> >> >> Hi. I went to india and searched for someone with >> old cassettes with >> recordings that are priceless to me. i found this >> small shop and bought a bunch of >> cassettes ~100. thing is the shop owner copied >> the cassettes for me using >> one of those high speed cassette duplicating >> machines onto t-series >> "sensation" cassettes. probably not the highest >> quality. >> >> I'd like to buy a cassette deck, play the cassettes >> into my pc soundcard >> (emu 1212m), and digitize them basically, and then >> sell the cassette deck. What >> deck would be sufficient for my needs? I can, if it >> will be worth it, >> stretch my pocket & buy something like the dragon >> (i asked someone and they said >> the dragon's too much trouble for a newb though), >> but only if it's worth it. >> The quality is already diminished so I'd like to >> get a deck that will do the >> best extracting what is there. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm doing exactly the same thing - archiving Indian >> tapes. The main problem >> with Indian tapes is extremely poor quality in the >> manufacturing, especially >> from certain labels like Rhythm House and Swarashree >> Enterprises. I don't >> have a Pioneer with FLEX to test out, but I don't >> think that's going to do >> anything for you, as many Indian tapes were >> manufactured so poorly that >> correcting them is a major project. You should at >> least get an equalizer to play >> them through. >> >> I hope you kept the original tapes, as copying them >> onto a second tape has >> probably compounded the problem. That's a good >> strategy if you are going to >> use the tapes over a number of years, but you want >> the original for archiving. >> Also, high-speed duplicators copy the second side >> in reverse, which >> guarantees an azimuth problem. >> >> There is one problem with Indian tapes which isn't >> generally known - they >> are extremely dirty. They shed particles like a wet >> dog. That is a real >> problem for what the Nak community calls the >> "classic transport." In my >> experience with hundreds of these tapes, they sound >> best on a 670ZX or 680. Many >> Indian tapes use the IEC I EQ standard, and that >> standard was still in use in >> Indian duplicating equipment long after the West >> moved to IEC II. The 670ZX and >> 680 are very, very good for tapes made with this >> standard. However, if you >> use them, they need to cleaned constantly when >> using Indian tapes, almost >> after every tape. >> >> For that reason, I have often used a BX-300 (which >> has adjustable speed), a >> CR-3, and a Cassette Deck 1 (which has adjustable >> azimuth) for archiving >> Indian tapes. They have a transport which doesn't >> get fouled as easily, and have >> almost the same sound reproduction. If you only >> want to spend a little >> money, get a CR-2. I used one for years as my >> "dedicated Indian tape deck" to >> prevent my other decks from being fouled, but I use >> the ones listed above for >> the actual archiving of Indian tapes. >> >> Good luck and happy listening. Who are the artists >> you're listening to? >> >> Jeff W >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. >> Watch "Cooking with >> Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. >> > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 26 > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:55:07 -0600 > From: "Victor Gabrenas" > Subject: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? > To: > Message-ID: <002a01c8c4f2$f3ae8650$db0b92f0$@utah.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Has anyone notice the change in E-bay scores? > I went from 100% to 91.7%? > The new formula is: Positives/Positives + Neutrals + Negatives > Is it me or is this formula misleading. Neutrals and Negatives have the > same > results? > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 27 > Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:35:58 -0400 > From: danbarham at aol.com > Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX recap > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8CA934A7424182F-708-EB3 at WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Greetings folks, > > I was thinking of re-capping my 680ZX since it is going on 28 years old > now and the life of vintage electrolytics is maybe 20 years, give or take > a few. I've been having more frequent problems with electrolytics of this > vintage in various makes and types of equipment. Since I plan on keeping > my ZX and I've already replaced all the rubber in the transport, recap is > next in line. > > I went through the whole machine and verified every single electrolytic > against the service manual and made my parts list. While I was at it, I > noted all of the orange polypropylene caps as well. > > My question to the group is about the type of cap. The service manual > lists many of the electrolytics as (LN). Does that stand for Low Noise? > These are orange electrolytics and other than the orange cover, appear the > same as the regular caps. What's the difference? Are modern caps advanced > enough that I needn't worry? If it helps, I plan on using Nichicon PW's as > they seem to be available in almost all of the values I need. I know there > are other brands and more exotic stuff out there but I tend to go with > what was good enough for Nakamichi is good enough for me. Although I > believe the Nichicon PW's are a step up from the originals Nak used just > because they are rated at 105 degrees C instead of 85 degrees C. > > Thoughts? > > Thanks in advance. > > Dan Barham > Chicagoland > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080603/b3c399e4/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2 > ************************************** > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.3/1472 - Release Date: > 29/05/2008 7.27 > > -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Scopri le tue passioni con Leonardo.it! * Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=7614&d=3-6 From orders at pennysconstruction.com Tue Jun 3 13:56:20 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 06:56:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? References: <002a01c8c4f2$f3ae8650$db0b92f0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <96BD2CE88ECE4499BB431A7DF7FB243B@number2> That is the new formula. Also they did something that boosted the total score up. The score that you next to the ebay name. Mine went up by 100, in one day, but still not to the total number of positives I have. I still don't know how they figured that one out. The feedback system is still flawed, and most likely won't get better. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Gabrenas" To: Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 3:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? > Has anyone notice the change in E-bay scores? > I went from 100% to 91.7%? > The new formula is: Positives/Positives + Neutrals + Negatives > Is it me or is this formula misleading. Neutrals and Negatives have the > same > results? > > > Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: > http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 15:06:45 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 06:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW In-Reply-To: <48445816.4090207@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <726639.35269.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fred, Agreed, the arrow might be a waste of time. However, the arrow helps one not to install the belt inside out. Being a flat belt thats a certain possibility. Isn't it? There might be differences in the surfaces( outer and the inner flywheel contacting surfaces) . Why then is Jeff Galin insisting that we install with the arrow correctly oriented to the direction of motion? There were absolutely no doubts when I questioned him regarding this. Regards, Ram Marrs Communications wrote: Hey, Just a reminder of what my factory guy said, for what it's worth . 9. I did NOT have the arrow placed on my 8096-D because the factory told me it was NOT worth the time and effort. When testing for Quality Control they never found over: +/- 0.01 to 0.02% difference in measurement due to direction of travel ! I invite everyone to test my "D" in both directions, but I doubt you will see additional improvement over the numbers above. 10. I just received my 2nd shipment of 8096-D's and did NOT have the line across the face installed for the same reasons above, in addition to cost savings. I can have the arrow and line installed on the next order IF everyone prefers that, but I am convinced it is a waste based on the factories comments. Fred M shanti ramachandran wrote: Ed, Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and asked if it mattered how the arrow was oriented while replacing the belt, and was promptly told, to position it in the direction of motion for better w/f numbers. I listened and obeyed! May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all that we know.. and arrowed them according to numbers on w/f/. Regards, Ram Edward Noyes wrote: Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the actual Nak 8096 belts years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for belts had been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke about the fact that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on them. I don't know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a point of testing and marking them himself (which is entirely possible). As received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, Ed shanti ramachandran wrote: > Tom and others, > > ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating direction of motion, so > the belt could be installed with the right orientation to obtain > perfect w/f numbers. > > One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I used for my ZX9 > recently had a red arrow, rather than a white arrow that we all know > in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in my ZX9 so > dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! > > Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. If Fred's belts are > good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others should supplement us > Nak heads with data to affirm this. > > Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun intended!) and > cherish our wonderful machines. > > Have a great weekend. > > Regards, > Ram > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He wanted "Pet Sounds" to be mixed in mono. *andy* From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Jun 3 15:12:33 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:12:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? In-Reply-To: <002a01c8c4f2$f3ae8650$db0b92f0$@utah.edu> References: <002a01c8c4f2$f3ae8650$db0b92f0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <20080603131228.HQZV7964.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Victor, I don't think it's fair either if you're a dependable seller/buyer. The new rating system is to show a trend over the last trailing year. In that respect, I can see why as I've had to deal with people who were reliable, conscientious and truthful at one time but somehow their attitudes or life circumstances changed and they became slugs in a short period. There was a guy selling records and had a 98% feedback rating over 3800 or so transactions. It appears his band or other expensive bad habits were more important than eBay and he had almost 190 out of his last 200 transactions as a seller AND he kept the money. In that case, the new system would have alerted buyers within a short amount of time. Roland At 04:55 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote: >Has anyone notice the change in E-bay scores? >I went from 100% to 91.7%? >The new formula is: Positives/Positives + Neutrals + Negatives >Is it me or is this formula misleading. Neutrals and Negatives have the same >results? > > >Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 >University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 >Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jun 3 15:13:19 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 06:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW In-Reply-To: <48445816.4090207@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <29362.21892.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Before putting any marking on this belt, i feel you should not advertise this as exact equivalent in light of many people seeing apparent length mismatch between original belt and yours.  Also try to find out the real measurement as I am yet to measure your belts against my own stock of 8096C bought from Stephen Sank ( who kept enough of these belts from nak spare parts) /old Nakamichi spare parts department as well as latest batch from nak dealer. Generally belt dimension is as important as the constituent. Your belt seems to match CR3 belt than 8096C. I am not trying discourage you but this is the correct thing to do in light of many people observing the dimensional match to CR3 belt than 8096C   I am not seeing anything wrong with your assumptions and trials so far but try to get the dimesions also corrected ( tried with Nak classic mechanism for acceptability) before taking efforts to add the arrow.    kannan --- On Mon, 6/2/08, Marrs Communications <marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com> wrote: From: Marrs Communications <marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com> Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 4:29 PM Hey, Just a reminder of what my factory guy said, for what it's worth . 9.  I did NOT have the arrow placed on my 8096-D because the factory told me it was NOT worth the time and effort. When testing for Quality Control they never found over:  +/- 0.01 to 0.02%  difference in measurement due to direction of travel !  I invite everyone to test my "D" in both directions, but I doubt you will see additional improvement over the numbers above. 10.  I just received my 2nd shipment of 8096-D's  and did NOT have the line across the face installed for the same reasons above, in addition to cost savings. I can have the arrow and line installed on the next order IF everyone prefers that, but I am convinced it is a waste based on the factories comments.   Fred M shanti ramachandran wrote: Ed, Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and asked if it mattered how the arrow was oriented while replacing the belt, and was promptly told, to position it in the direction of motion for better w/f numbers. I listened and obeyed! May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all that we know.. and arrowed them according to numbers on w/f/. Regards, Ram Edward Noyes <enoyes at snet.net> wrote: Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the actual Nak 8096 belts years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for belts had been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke about the fact that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on them. I don't know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a point of testing and marking them himself (which is entirely possible). As received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, Ed shanti ramachandran wrote: > Tom and others, > > ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating direction of motion, so > the belt could be installed with the right orientation to obtain > perfect w/f numbers. > > One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I used for my ZX9 > recently had a red arrow, rather than a white arrow that we all know > in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in my ZX9 so > dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! > > Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. If Fred's belts are > good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others should supplement us > Nak heads with data to affirm this. > > Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun intended!) and > cherish our wonderful machines. > > Have a great weekend. > > Regards, > Ram > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=================---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, if you manage to replace all those caps without causing any incidental damage and the project provides pleasure and/or satisfaction, then, what the hell, why not. > I went through the whole machine and verified every single electrolytic > against the service manual and made my parts list. While I was at it, I > noted all of the orange polypropylene caps as well. > > My question to the group is about the type of cap. The service manual > lists many of the electrolytics as (LN). Does that stand for Low Noise? I've never seen electrolytic caps described as 'Low noise'. However, if these caps are all in the signal path (rather than in filtering or decoupling functions), that could very well be the case. If so, choose HF (High Frequency; also referred to as 'audio grade', 'low delta' or 'low ESR') electrolytics. > These are orange electrolytics and other than the orange cover, appear > the same as the regular caps. What's the difference? Are modern caps > advanced enough that I needn't worry? If it helps, I plan on using > Nichicon PW's as they seem to be available in almost all of the values I > need. I know there are other brands and more exotic stuff out there but > I tend to go with what was good enough for Nakamichi is good enough for > me. Although I believe the Nichicon PW's are a step up from the > originals Nak used just because they are rated at 105 degrees C instead > of 85 degrees C. 105°C caps will provide longer life and better performance than 85°C caps, even when operated at lower temperatures. - Ron > > Thoughts? > > Thanks in advance. > > Dan Barham > Chicagoland From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Jun 3 16:06:25 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:06:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? In-Reply-To: <002a01c8c4f2$f3ae8650$db0b92f0$@utah.edu> References: <002a01c8c4f2$f3ae8650$db0b92f0$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <20080603140621.KHKQ26184.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> OOPS! I left out a key word in my last post. >>There was a guy selling records and had a 98% feedback rating over 3800 or so transactions. It appears his band or other expensive bad habits were more important than eBay and he had almost 190 NEGATIVES out of his last 200 transactions as a seller AND he kept the money. << At 04:55 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote: >Has anyone notice the change in E-bay scores? >I went from 100% to 91.7%? >The new formula is: Positives/Positives + Neutrals + Negatives >Is it me or is this formula misleading. Neutrals and Negatives have the same >results? > > >Victor M. 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 3 16:15:23 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:15:23 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc Message-ID: <16791888.1212502523656.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> One way to reduce head clogs due to shedding is to fast forward and rewing each cassette before playing. If you have no azimuth adjustment knb or circuit, but an azimuth tape from Luis Peromarta. Practice setting the azimuth (monitor in mono, set for loudest point), then on each Indian tape, monitor in mono and set for most treble and least "swish" sounds. With LP's azimuth tape you can return to proper azimuth after you have copied the cassette. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: shanti ramachandran >Sent: Jun 2, 2008 3:34 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc > >Mr Singh and Jeff, > >I have had mixed experiences with Indian made >cassettes. > >The brands SONY, Venus and some T-series brands have >been pretty good actually. no shedding. Good >recording, although the azimuth is invariably way off. >ABCL was good, but the company croaked as quick as it >was launched. Many other lesser brands are horrible! > >I religiously use my Dragon on these tapes and have >been able to archive them tape to tape with amazingly >good results, with no other equalization. Some do >require an equalized recording to make them sound >good. On some tapes the Dragon does not do full >azimuth justice. Here I have successfully used the CR7 >with manual azimuth tweaking. > >Like you folks have stated, there are others( tapes) >that are wet dogs and I usually fling these out the >window into the trash can promptly. > >Another reason for these used prerecorded tapes to >sound very dull is due to them previously being played >on a severely magnetized deck/s, which causes highs to >radically drop off. Some of these decks' erase heads >are so errant, they literally wipe out the superficial >recorded layer on every pass. > >I listen to Jagjit Singh, Ghulam Ali, ALlah rakha, >Nusrat and also contemporary Hindi film music, esp RD >Burman! in addition to Western jazz and an occasional >classical tune. > >Hi Jeff, is your first name Bansi? That means flute as >you very well know. > >Enjoy your music friends! >Regards, >Ram > > > >--- Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 6/2/2008 5:16:39 A.M. Pacific >> Daylight Time, >> ssingh0 at sbcglobal.net writes: >> >> >> Hi. I went to india and searched for someone with >> old cassettes with >> recordings that are priceless to me. i found this >> small shop and bought a bunch of >> cassettes ~100. thing is the shop owner copied >> the cassettes for me using >> one of those high speed cassette duplicating >> machines onto t-series >> "sensation" cassettes. probably not the highest >> quality. >> >> I'd like to buy a cassette deck, play the cassettes >> into my pc soundcard >> (emu 1212m), and digitize them basically, and then >> sell the cassette deck. What >> deck would be sufficient for my needs? I can, if it >> will be worth it, >> stretch my pocket & buy something like the dragon >> (i asked someone and they said >> the dragon's too much trouble for a newb though), >> but only if it's worth it. >> The quality is already diminished so I'd like to >> get a deck that will do the >> best extracting what is there. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm doing exactly the same thing - archiving Indian >> tapes. The main problem >> with Indian tapes is extremely poor quality in the >> manufacturing, especially >> from certain labels like Rhythm House and Swarashree >> Enterprises. I don't >> have a Pioneer with FLEX to test out, but I don't >> think that's going to do >> anything for you, as many Indian tapes were >> manufactured so poorly that >> correcting them is a major project. You should at >> least get an equalizer to play >> them through. >> >> I hope you kept the original tapes, as copying them >> onto a second tape has >> probably compounded the problem. That's a good >> strategy if you are going to >> use the tapes over a number of years, but you want >> the original for archiving. >> Also, high-speed duplicators copy the second side >> in reverse, which >> guarantees an azimuth problem. >> >> There is one problem with Indian tapes which isn't >> generally known - they >> are extremely dirty. They shed particles like a wet >> dog. That is a real >> problem for what the Nak community calls the >> "classic transport." In my >> experience with hundreds of these tapes, they sound >> best on a 670ZX or 680. Many >> Indian tapes use the IEC I EQ standard, and that >> standard was still in use in >> Indian duplicating equipment long after the West >> moved to IEC II. The 670ZX and >> 680 are very, very good for tapes made with this >> standard. However, if you >> use them, they need to cleaned constantly when >> using Indian tapes, almost >> after every tape. >> >> For that reason, I have often used a BX-300 (which >> has adjustable speed), a >> CR-3, and a Cassette Deck 1 (which has adjustable >> azimuth) for archiving >> Indian tapes. They have a transport which doesn't >> get fouled as easily, and have >> almost the same sound reproduction. If you only >> want to spend a little >> money, get a CR-2. I used one for years as my >> "dedicated Indian tape deck" to >> prevent my other decks from being fouled, but I use >> the ones listed above for >> the actual archiving of Indian tapes. >> >> Good luck and happy listening. Who are the artists >> you're listening to? >> >> Jeff W >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. >> Watch "Cooking with >> Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. >> >(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! >> http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 3 16:17:34 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:17:34 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? Message-ID: <9283847.1212502654733.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Everyone else will go down as well. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Victor Gabrenas >Sent: Jun 2, 2008 3:55 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? > >Has anyone notice the change in E-bay scores? >I went from 100% to 91.7%? >The new formula is: Positives/Positives + Neutrals + Negatives >Is it me or is this formula misleading. Neutrals and Negatives have the same >results? > > >Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 >University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 >Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From rjkent at comcast.net Tue Jun 3 16:45:31 2008 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:45:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <200806031000.m53A0msB004137@zxe.naks.com> References: <200806031000.m53A0msB004137@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000001c8c588$79d55f70$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Ed, Your experience is the same as mine. I have 8 remaining belts, (3 different types - see measuring information from prior posts), that I bought directly from NAKUSA during 2003-2004. None of them have any markings of any kind. Robert Kent >From: Edward Noyes >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts >Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the actual Nak 8096 belts >years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for belts had >been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke about the fact >that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on them. I don't >know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a point of >testing and marking them himself (which is entirely possible). As >received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, >Ed From dball1 at woh.rr.com Tue Jun 3 18:28:45 2008 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:28:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts In-Reply-To: <866210.87382.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Maybe he just arrowed them for all the old farts that think they are getting screwed if they don't have an arrow on their belt? Who would have though that belt selection would be such a perilous task... I have to wonder how much better Fred's belt would sound to many, if he raised the price to $65.00 USD. This whole thing is getting very tiring. When my deck needs a new belt I guess it will get what Andy or perhaps Tom installs. =:-)) Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:07 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts Ed, Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and asked if it mattered how the arrow was oriented while replacing the belt, and was promptly told, to position it in the direction of motion for better w/f numbers. I listened and obeyed! May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all that we know.. and arrowed them according to numbers on w/f/. Regards, Ram Edward Noyes wrote: Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the actual Nak 8096 belts years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for belts had been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke about the fact that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on them. I don't know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a point of testing and marking them himself (which is entirely possible). As received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, Ed shanti ramachandran wrote: > Tom and others, > > ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating direction of motion, so > the belt could be installed with the right orientation to obtain > perfect w/f numbers. > > One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I used for my ZX9 > recently had a red arrow, rather than a white arrow that we all know > in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in my ZX9 so > dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! > > Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. If Fred's belts are > good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others should supplement us > Nak heads with data to affirm this. > > Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun intended!) and > cherish our wonderful machines. > > Have a great weekend. > > Regards, > Ram > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Most professional equipment has +4 dBu at the Input / Output terminals (XLR connectors) as “0 dB” reference level which is 10^(4/20) x 775mV = 1.584 x 775 mV = 1228 mV = 1.228 V The DRAGON deck has 1 V as “0 dB” ref level at the terminals, but 350 mV at the internal Reference Test Points. The manual says 350 mV -0.9 dB (referring to 350mV). It means 10^(-0.9/20) x 350 = 0.902 x 350 mV = 315.5 mV. If your manual says 500 mV -2dB it means 10^(-2/20) x 500 mV = 0.794 x 500 mV = 397 mV If your Voltmeter has 0 dB adjustable, adjust the input level to 500 mV measured by the Voltmeter, switch it to dB mode, set it as 0 dB than reduce the input level till the Voltmeter shows -2 dB Gennady guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz http://www.exicom.co.nz Phone: +64 4 237 2149 Fax: +64 4 237 9696 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Jun 4 10:18:41 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:18:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 In-Reply-To: <060320081309.22406.484542A2000425AE0000578622155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8EFF6690492C4B77A9EC74589DFA28FC@GrahamNPC> I have a lot of sympathy for that point of view. All my tuners sound better to my ear when they are set to mono. (My mono Leak Troughline is especially pleasing to my ear.) IMO some recordings do some better in mono anyway - for example, piano solos. I also feel that some stereo recordings exaggerate the stereo you would hear in real life - presumably some of this "bad" effect is created on the mixing desk. Kermit? Any thoughts on this? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 2:10 PM To: angel9esoteric at gmail.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 Mike wrote: "I don't care about stereo anymore after finding elusive Nak Reference Monitor speaker(re-labelled Diatone 2s-350).Mono is amazing...Stereo feels like 3D special effect.Regards,Mike" Hi, Mike: For what it's worth, Brian Wilson, the genius behind the Beach Boys sound and the man who is responsible for "Pet Sounds" -- one of the most incredible albums ever recorded -- disliked stereo very much. In his opinion, mono sounded much truer to the actual source. He felt that the new stereo records sounded too gimmicky. He wanted "Pet Sounds" to be mixed in mono. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk Wed Jun 4 10:41:48 2008 From: nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk (nigel vernon) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:41:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? In-Reply-To: <20080603131228.HQZV7964.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> References: <002a01c8c4f2$f3ae8650$db0b92f0$@utah.edu> <20080603131228.HQZV7964.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: The feedback system can never be foolproof but at least it's a step in the right direction.The individual ratings for item description, postal costs etc probably says more about a person's integrity than the overall feedback score. At least sellers can't give negative feedback to a buyer in retaliation anymore. > Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:12:33 -0400 > To: naktalk at naks.com > From: rjlbjk at cox.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? > > Victor, > > I don't think it's fair either if you're a dependable > seller/buyer. The new rating system is to show a trend over the last > trailing year. In that respect, I can see why as I've had to deal > with people who were reliable, conscientious and truthful at one time > but somehow their attitudes or life circumstances changed and they > became slugs in a short period. > > There was a guy selling records and had a 98% feedback rating over > 3800 or so transactions. It appears his band or other expensive bad > habits were more important than eBay and he had almost 190 out of his > last 200 transactions as a seller AND he kept the money. > > In that case, the new system would have alerted buyers within a short > amount of time. > > Roland > > > > At 04:55 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote: > >Has anyone notice the change in E-bay scores? > >I went from 100% to 91.7%? > >The new formula is: Positives/Positives + Neutrals + Negatives > >Is it me or is this formula misleading. Neutrals and Negatives have the same > >results? > > > > > >Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 > >University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 > >Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu > >155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas > >Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Roland > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orders at pennysconstruction.com Wed Jun 4 13:40:35 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 06:40:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? References: <002a01c8c4f2$f3ae8650$db0b92f0$@utah.edu> <20080603131228.HQZV7964.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <70554BD548D34F78A024F20FEC10C852@number2> " In that case, the new system would have alerted buyers within a short amount of time. " I'm not sure how that would change things. 190 negatives is 190 negatives. The new system lowers peoples scores by adding there neutrals. It also might raise it because it counts some repeat positives, though not all of them, that's for sure. Right now I have 685 positives in the last 12 months, 2 neutrals, 1 negative, yet my score is 594. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? > Victor, > > I don't think it's fair either if you're a dependable seller/buyer. The > new rating system is to show a trend over the last trailing year. In that > respect, I can see why as I've had to deal with people who were reliable, > conscientious and truthful at one time but somehow their attitudes or life > circumstances changed and they became slugs in a short period. > > There was a guy selling records and had a 98% feedback rating over 3800 or > so transactions. It appears his band or other expensive bad habits were > more important than eBay and he had almost 190 out of his last 200 > transactions as a seller AND he kept the money. > > In that case, the new system would have alerted buyers within a short > amount of time. > > Roland > > > > At 04:55 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote: >>Has anyone notice the change in E-bay scores? >>I went from 100% to 91.7%? >>The new formula is: Positives/Positives + Neutrals + Negatives >>Is it me or is this formula misleading. Neutrals and Negatives have the >>same >>results? >> >> >>Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 >>University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 >>Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu >>155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: >>http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas >>Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB >> >> >> >> >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Roland > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From shoeihell at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 15:26:44 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 06:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Mics For A 550 In-Reply-To: <200806041003.m54A1dj3032652@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <160733.49600.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Actually, there is no stereo in nature. It's a mono world and 'stereo' in an affectation; an electronic trick. The cross couple error signal that makes stereo, is its own Achilles Heel. Some engineers believe that trinaural relieves all the shortcomings of binaural (stereo). Supposedly in trinaural, the music information comes from the center instead of the right/left ping pong listening experience. Kevin Message: 16 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:18:41 +0100 From: "Graham A Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <8EFF6690492C4B77A9EC74589DFA28FC at GrahamNPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have a lot of sympathy for that point of view. All my tuners sound better to my ear when they are set to mono. (My mono Leak Troughline is especially pleasing to my ear.) IMO some recordings do some better in mono anyway - for example, piano solos. I also feel that some stereo recordings exaggerate the stereo you would hear in real life - presumably some of this "bad" effect is created on the mixing desk. Kermit? Any thoughts on this? Gra' From enoyes at snet.net Wed Jun 4 16:09:12 2008 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:09:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW In-Reply-To: <726639.35269.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <726639.35269.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4846A208.4090401@snet.net> I think that those of us with good w/f test gear (I'm not included) would be able to verify that the performance may be slightly improved pointing one way vs the other. Don't ask me why because I don't know... maybe the direction of the grain? When I spoke to Jeff, these belts had just the US shores and he hadn't even had a chance to test them himself. If anyone is going to test these one by one and determine the optimum traveling direction, Jeff is the guy who would! Ed shanti ramachandran wrote: > Fred, > > Agreed, the arrow might be a waste of time. However, the arrow helps > one not to install the belt inside out. Being a flat belt thats a > certain possibility. Isn't it? There might be differences in the > surfaces( outer and the inner flywheel contacting surfaces) . > > Why then is Jeff Galin insisting that we install with the arrow > correctly oriented to the direction of motion? There were absolutely > no doubts when I questioned him regarding this. > > Regards, > Ram > > > > > Marrs Communications wrote: > > Hey, > > Just a reminder of what my factory guy said, for what it's worth > . > 9. I did NOT have the arrow placed on my 8096-D because the > factory told me it was NOT worth the time and effort. When testing > for Quality Control they never found over: +/- 0.01 to 0.02% > difference in measurement due to direction of travel ! I invite > everyone to test my "D" in both directions, but I doubt you will > see additional improvement over the numbers above. > > 10. I just received my 2nd shipment of 8096-D's and did NOT have > the line across the face installed for the same reasons above, in > addition to cost savings. > > I can have the arrow and line installed on the next order IF > everyone prefers that, but I am convinced it is a waste based on > the factories comments. Fred M > > shanti ramachandran wrote: > >> Ed, >> >> Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and asked if it >> mattered how the arrow was oriented while replacing the belt, and >> was promptly told, to position it in the direction of motion for >> better w/f numbers. I listened and obeyed! >> >> May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all that we know.. >> and arrowed them according to numbers on w/f/. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ram >> >> >> >> >> Edward Noyes wrote: >> >> Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the actual Nak >> 8096 belts >> years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for >> belts had >> been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke >> about the fact >> that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on >> them. I don't >> know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a >> point of >> testing and marking them himself (which is entirely >> possible). As >> received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, >> >> Ed >> >> shanti ramachandran wrote: >> >> > Tom and others, >> > >> > ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating direction of >> motion, so >> > the belt could be installed with the right orientation to >> obtain >> > perfect w/f numbers. >> > >> > One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I used for >> my ZX9 >> > recently had a red arrow, rather than a white arrow that we >> all know >> > in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in my ZX9 so >> > dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! >> > >> > Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. If Fred's >> belts are >> > good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others should >> supplement us >> > Nak heads with data to affirm this. >> > >> > Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun intended!) >> and >> > cherish our wonderful machines. >> > >> > Have a great weekend. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Ram >> > >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Wed Jun 4 17:37:47 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:37:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW In-Reply-To: <726639.35269.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <726639.35269.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4846B6CB.7080603@marrscommunications.com> Hi Ram, You make a very valid point about installing the belt inside out. If the belt is manufactured using the same process the Nakamichi spec.'s called for, there should not be any difference in the inner and outer surface, although some manufacturers preferred to "polish" the outer surface for cosmetic purposes. " Nick ", my contact at the factory, originally offered the arrow and line information to me, when we were discussing my upfront and acquisition cost in the very beginning. The line is for setting speed, before checking "harmonics" within audible frequencies. This was not a automated process during manufacturing, but a separate process after the belt was finished, and was a very time consuming step, raising cost dramatically. The statement about the very small improvement ( + / - 0.01 to 0.02 ) is Fact, but only Nick's opinion which I do agree with. Since the time I made the decision about the Arrow and Line, I have come to realize the percentage of Naktalk members that are convince they can hear a difference of ( + / - 0.01 to 0.02 % ), which is fine. At this time I cannot confirm, but only estimate additional cost to add the Arrow to my belt. I guess what it comes down to is: Adding both the Arrow and Line to my belt worth a Dollar or Two more in price? In my opinion No, but my opinion is exactly that, my opinion. I can NOT sell what my customer does not want. As I said in the beginning, I will do whatever my customer wants as long as they understand, you get ONLY what you pay for. Before I had the first "run" of the "D" made, I was not getting ANY feedback from Naktalk members. Maybe everyone thought I was "just talking" ? Now that it is here, everyone has an opinion, which is fine. At least I am receiving opinions, but had to make the initial decisions myself. I have become aware, I DO need to mark my belts in SOME way. I already have a case where a customer complained about a "D", which he returned and I happily replaced, KNOWING the belt he returned was NOT my belt. That is part of doing business in this World today. Any suggestions of HOW to mark the "D" are welcome. Fred M. shanti ramachandran wrote: > Fred, > > Agreed, the arrow might be a waste of time. However, the arrow helps > one not to install the belt inside out. Being a flat belt thats a > certain possibility. Isn't it? There might be differences in the > surfaces( outer and the inner flywheel contacting surfaces) . > > Why then is Jeff Galin insisting that we install with the arrow > correctly oriented to the direction of motion? There were absolutely > no doubts when I questioned him regarding this. > > Regards, > Ram > > > > > Marrs Communications wrote: > > Hey, > > Just a reminder of what my factory guy said, for what it's worth > . > 9. I did NOT have the arrow placed on my 8096-D because the > factory told me it was NOT worth the time and effort. When testing > for Quality Control they never found over: +/- 0.01 to 0.02% > difference in measurement due to direction of travel ! I invite > everyone to test my "D" in both directions, but I doubt you will > see additional improvement over the numbers above. > > 10. I just received my 2nd shipment of 8096-D's and did NOT have > the line across the face installed for the same reasons above, in > addition to cost savings. > > I can have the arrow and line installed on the next order IF > everyone prefers that, but I am convinced it is a waste based on > the factories comments. Fred M > > shanti ramachandran wrote: > >> Ed, >> >> Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and asked if it >> mattered how the arrow was oriented while replacing the belt, and >> was promptly told, to position it in the direction of motion for >> better w/f numbers. I listened and obeyed! >> >> May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all that we know.. >> and arrowed them according to numbers on w/f/. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ram >> >> >> >> >> Edward Noyes wrote: >> >> Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the actual Nak >> 8096 belts >> years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for >> belts had >> been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke >> about the fact >> that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on >> them. I don't >> know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a >> point of >> testing and marking them himself (which is entirely >> possible). As >> received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, >> >> Ed >> >> shanti ramachandran wrote: >> >> > Tom and others, >> > >> > ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating direction of >> motion, so >> > the belt could be installed with the right orientation to >> obtain >> > perfect w/f numbers. >> > >> > One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I used for >> my ZX9 >> > recently had a red arrow, rather than a white arrow that we >> all know >> > in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in my ZX9 so >> > dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! >> > >> > Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. If Fred's >> belts are >> > good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others should >> supplement us >> > Nak heads with data to affirm this. >> > >> > Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun intended!) >> and >> > cherish our wonderful machines. >> > >> > Have a great weekend. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Ram >> > >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 4 17:48:44 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:48:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2 Message-ID: <73788.1212594524449.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I have only seen the arrow and line marks on the 8096C, and perhaps the 1000 tritracer belt. None of the standard or Sankyo mech belts had markings. The belt was a high volume seller, perhaps #2 behind B8552 lamp, and no doubt Nakamichi had to reorder from their vendor. I wonder if their last order came from a different vendor, or was handled differently in-house? IIRC the belt's cost was a bit high compared to other belts, so there may have been a testing process for earlier batches. This is just conjecture. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: rjkent at comcast.net >Sent: Jun 3, 2008 9:45 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2 > >Ed, >Your experience is the same as mine. I have 8 remaining belts, (3 >different types - see measuring information from prior posts), that I >bought directly from NAKUSA during 2003-2004. None of them have any >markings of any kind. >Robert Kent > >>From: Edward Noyes >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts > >>Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the actual Nak 8096 >belts >>years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for belts had >>been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke about the >fact >>that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on them. I >don't >>know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a point of >>testing and marking them himself (which is entirely possible). As >>received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, >>Ed > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 4 17:58:02 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:58:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts Message-ID: <7167446.1212595082373.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 4 18:07:47 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:07:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 Message-ID: <26095387.1212595667127.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I missed the passing reference to the Nak reference Monitor speaker..In the US it was also sold as the Mitsubishi DS-505. I don't think Nak dealers ever displayed the speaker...we didn't. tom brucker >Mike wrote: > >"I don't care about stereo anymore after finding >elusive Nak Reference Monitor speaker(re-labelled Diatone 2s-350).Mono >is amazing...Stereo feels like 3D special effect.Regards,Mike" > > >>*ndy* > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 4 18:41:14 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Offline: Nakamichi 430 FM Tuner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <227374.57079.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kermit, I would also use a good quality 300 ohm twin lead as the feed line since it has less loss at 100 mhz. I believe a yagi antenna has an impedence of around 35 ohms??? the yagi must have some kind of match so it will match the impedence of the twin lead. What kind of matching have you used? Bob N Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Mark, The sensitivity, selectivity and front-end noise of the 430 and ST-7 are similar, neither has any advantage with regard to sensitivity. The 430 has a more-aggressive muting circuit which can mask weak stations. The ST-7 has a superior AFC circuit, so it doesn't drift off station as much, although the 430 drifts far less than most receivers, even new ones, and should be regarded as quite satisfactory. I do not think any stations transmit FM Dolby anymore, the format wasn't popular because receiving sets had the decoder, except for a few quality models. Also, stations weren't anxious to spend the money for the quite-expensive enciders along with the ongoing license fees to Dolby (although some stations could obtain exemptions to the license fee requirements). My suggestion is that you're looking to the wrong solution to receiving weak stations. You have a fabulous tuner already, what you need is a better antenna. Skip the 430, get a fabulous antenna. For AM reception, nothing beats a longwire antenna or a large loop antenna, especially with a tunable trap to improve selectivity. For FM reception, I'd recommend a good wideband yagi to improve off-axis rejection and reduce multipath reflections. If you're in a fringe reception area, a wideband RF preamplifier may be desirable. You can make one cheaply from two FETs and only a few passive components built into a small metal box. Remember that FM propagation is line-of-sight, so reception of faint stations beyond 25 to 50 miles or so is not a realistic expectation, unless you live in flat, open terrain. I don't know who makes such antenna new any more, I've always made my own antennae. On May 31, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: I would like to post this on audiotalk, but again need a quick answer. I have a chance to buy a Nakamichi 430 FM tuner at a fair price. I already own two Nakamichi ST-7 am/fm tuners. One which has Scott Johnson's wireless remote control device and strongly advise anyone who owns an ST-7, to by his remote unit, as well as the ones for Nak cassette decks. I noticed that the ST-7 tuner pulls in an underground fm radio station very well. I noticed that the 430 FM tuner also has Dolby FM. My question is does anyone know that the 430 pulls in stations just like the ST-7? Is the tuner reception perhaps weaker or stronger? Therefore I'm still debating whether I should buy the 430 tuner and appreciate any comments. --------------------------------- Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. 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URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Jun 4 18:49:49 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:49:49 EDT Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc Message-ID: In a message dated 6/4/2008 12:09:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: If you have no azimuth adjustment knb or circuit, but an azimuth tape from Luis Peromarta. Practice setting the azimuth (monitor in mono, set for loudest point), then on each Indian tape, monitor in mono and set for most treble and least "swish" sounds. With LP's azimuth tape you can return to proper azimuth after you have copied the cassette. Hi Tom, Are you serious? If playback azimuth is really a problem, he can just buy a Cassette Deck 1 on eBay. I got one in almost unused condition on eBay for $130, which is about what Luis's kit costs. DR-1 has playback azimuth adjustment too, doesn't it? You don't have to lay out the big bucks for the Dragon or CR-7 (the greatest deck of all time, wink, wink, nod, nod.) Jeff W **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Wed Jun 4 19:16:15 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:16:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS In-Reply-To: <29362.21892.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <29362.21892.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4846CDDF.9060509@marrscommunications.com> Hi Kannan, Point taken. Here is the problem, somewhere "out there" are thousands of Nakamichi 8096C belts with the same dimensions as mine. Right, Wrong or indifferent, my belt was sold to Nakamichi under the contract between the two. As mentioned in a previous post, Every belt I purchased that was suppose to be an "Original Nakamichi" 8096C, had different dimensions? I know Steven Sank from way back, 25 years ago? If I could get an "Original" from him, I could feel comfortable about it being a REAL "Original" 8096C. I have NO reason NOT to believe ANYONE, about their "Original C's", EXCEPT the dimension inconsistency's? I could then have that very belt manufactured IDENTICALLY. But, I have not found to the day, what I am convinced to be a honest to God original, based on the "C"'s I have measured, with absolutely NO consistency. Keeping this in mind, Why are there so many so called "Original" 8096C's "out there" with different dimensions ? ( I posted my measurements, using a PRB belt measuring tool, previously ). Bottom line, once everyone is in agreement of just what the dimensions of a "Original" 8096C is, I CAN have that belt manufactured Identically, to those dimensions, with markings, without markings, shorter, longer, wider, whatever. Up to this point, I do not have anything to work with, except the word of my factory and my manufacturing specifications agreement with them. What very little input I have received up to this point has been criticism, and have produced a 8096 that IS "Original" to the best of my knowledge. Fred M. kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > Before putting any marking on this belt, i feel you should not > advertise this as exact equivalent in light of many people seeing > apparent length mismatch between original belt and yours. Also try to > find out the real measurement as I am yet to measure your belts > against my own stock of 8096C bought from Stephen Sank ( who kept > enough of these belts from nak spare parts) /old Nakamichi spare parts > department as well as latest batch from nak dealer. Generally belt > dimension is as important as the constituent. Your belt seems to match > CR3 belt than 8096C. I am not trying discourage you but this is the > correct thing to do in light of many people observing the > dimensional match to CR3 belt than 8096C > > > > I am not seeing anything wrong with your assumptions and trials so > far but try to get the dimesions also corrected ( tried with Nak > classic mechanism for acceptability) before taking efforts to add the > arrow. > > > > kannan > > --- On Mon, 6/2/08, Marrs Communications > wrote: > > From: Marrs Communications > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 4:29 PM > > Hey, > > Just a reminder of what my factory guy said, for what it's worth > . > 9. I did NOT have the arrow placed on my 8096-D because the > factory told me it was NOT worth the time and effort. When testing > for Quality Control they never found over: +/- 0.01 to 0.02% > difference in measurement due to direction of travel ! I invite > everyone to test my "D" in both directions, but I doubt you will > see additional improvement over the numbers above. > > 10. I just received my 2nd shipment of 8096-D's and did NOT have > the line across the face installed for the same reasons above, in > addition to cost savings. > > I can have the arrow and line installed on the next order IF > everyone prefers that, but I am convinced it is a waste based on > the factories comments. Fred M > > shanti ramachandran wrote: > >> Ed, >> >> Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and asked if it >> mattered how the arrow was oriented while replacing the belt, and >> was promptly told, to position it in the direction of motion for >> better w/f numbers. I listened and obeyed! >> >> May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all that we know.. >> and arrowed them according to numbers on w/f/. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ram >> >> >> >> >> Edward Noyes wrote: >> >> Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the actual Nak >> 8096 belts >> years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for >> belts had >> been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke >> about the fact >> that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on >> them. I don't >> know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a >> point of >> testing and marking them himself (which is entirely >> possible). As >> received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, >> >> Ed >> >> shanti ramachandran wrote: >> >> > Tom and others, >> > >> > ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating direction of >> motion, so >> > the belt could be installed with the right orientation to >> obtain >> > perfect w/f numbers. >> > >> > One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I used for >> my ZX9 >> > recently had a red arrow, rather than a white arrow that we >> all know >> > in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in my ZX9 so >> > dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! >> > >> > Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. If Fred's >> belts are >> > good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others should >> supplement us >> > Nak heads with data to affirm this. >> > >> > Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun intended!) >> and >> > cherish our wonderful machines. >> > >> > Have a great weekend. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Ram >> > >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Jun 5 00:21:45 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:21:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS In-Reply-To: <4846CDDF.9060509@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <7A2863A5A13B40359DD9B7697F917F08@GrahamNPC> Guys Perhaps the different sized belts ARE all originals! Why would Nakamichi insist on such fine specifications if, in their view, it would make no audible difference to 99% of their customers, and measured within the tolerances of their published performance specs? Are we in error by assuming Nakamichi insisted on the belts being so precise in their dimensions? After all, if they were prepared to tolerate marginal differences, it would have made the belts cheaper to buy than if they insisted in the very highest quality controls. Like everyone else, Nakamichi were trying to control manufacturing costs and maximise their profits. Accordingly, Nakamichi did not produce goods that were without compromise, which is probably why some decks measure better on the bench than others of the same type. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marrs Communications Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 6:16 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS Hi Kannan, Point taken. Here is the problem, somewhere "out there" are thousands of Nakamichi 8096C belts with the same dimensions as mine. Right, Wrong or indifferent, my belt was sold to Nakamichi under the contract between the two. As mentioned in a previous post, Every belt I purchased that was suppose to be an "Original Nakamichi" 8096C, had different dimensions? I know Steven Sank from way back, 25 years ago? If I could get an "Original" from him, I could feel comfortable about it being a REAL "Original" 8096C. I have NO reason NOT to believe ANYONE, about their "Original C's", EXCEPT the dimension inconsistency's? I could then have that very belt manufactured IDENTICALLY. But, I have not found to the day, what I am convinced to be a honest to God original, based on the "C"'s I have measured, with absolutely NO consistency. Keeping this in mind, Why are there so many so called "Original" 8096C's "out there" with different dimensions ? ( I posted my measurements, using a PRB belt measuring tool, previously ). Bottom line, once everyone is in agreement of just what the dimensions of a "Original" 8096C is, I CAN have that belt manufactured Identically, to those dimensions, with markings, without markings, shorter, longer, wider, whatever. Up to this point, I do not have anything to work with, except the word of my factory and my manufacturing specifications agreement with them. What very little input I have received up to this point has been criticism, and have produced a 8096 that IS "Original" to the best of my knowledge. Fred M. kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Before putting any marking on this belt, i feel you should not advertise this as exact equivalent in light of many people seeing apparent length mismatch between original belt and yours. Also try to find out the real measurement as I am yet to measure your belts against my own stock of 8096C bought from Stephen Sank ( who kept enough of these belts from nak spare parts) /old Nakamichi spare parts department as well as latest batch from nak dealer. Generally belt dimension is as important as the constituent. Your belt seems to match CR3 belt than 8096C. I am not trying discourage you but this is the correct thing to do in light of many people observing the dimensional match to CR3 belt than 8096C I am not seeing anything wrong with your assumptions and trials so far but try to get the dimesions also corrected ( tried with Nak classic mechanism for acceptability) before taking efforts to add the arrow. kannan --- On Mon, 6/2/08, Marrs Communications wrote: From: Marrs Communications Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 4:29 PM Hey, Just a reminder of what my factory guy said, for what it's worth . 9. I did NOT have the arrow placed on my 8096-D because the factory told me it was NOT worth the time and effort. When testing for Quality Control they never found over: +/- 0.01 to 0.02% difference in measurement due to direction of travel ! I invite everyone to test my "D" in both directions, but I doubt you will see additional improvement over the numbers above. 10. I just received my 2nd shipment of 8096-D's and did NOT have the line across the face installed for the same reasons above, in addition to cost savings. I can have the arrow and line installed on the next order IF everyone prefers that, but I am convinced it is a waste based on the factories comments. Fred M shanti ramachandran wrote: Ed, Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and asked if it mattered how the arrow was oriented while replacing the belt, and was promptly told, to position it in the direction of motion for better w/f numbers. I listened and obeyed! May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all that we know.. and arrowed them according to numbers on w/f/. Regards, Ram Edward Noyes wrote: Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the actual Nak 8096 belts years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for belts had been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke about the fact that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on them. I don't know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a point of testing and marking them himself (which is entirely possible). As received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, Ed shanti ramachandran wrote: > Tom and others, > > ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating direction of motion, so > the belt could be installed with the right orientation to obtain > perfect w/f numbers. > > One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I used for my ZX9 > recently had a red arrow, rather than a white arrow that we all know > in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in my ZX9 so > dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! > > Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. If Fred's belts are > good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others should supplement us > Nak heads with data to affirm this. > > Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun intended!) and > cherish our wonderful machines. > > Have a great weekend. > > Regards, > Ram > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Jun 5 00:32:02 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:32:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oddly enough, the Pioneer FLEX electronically compensates for azimuth. Of course, it doesn't physically adopt the correct azi' to suit the recording, but it "corrects" the equalisation to return the sound close to the original. While that may not be quite as good as using a Dragon, or trying to do the job manually with a CR7, DR-1 (or DX-10? I forget the number for that Johnny-com-lately highly compromised machine they produced just before pulling the plug) the FLEX circuit does a decent job automatically, while at the same time it does the same for reviving those parts of the tape where there is fading. I imagine one of those FLEX sporting Pioneers probably fetch even less that a DR-1. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:50 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc In a message dated 6/4/2008 12:09:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: If you have no azimuth adjustment knb or circuit, but an azimuth tape from Luis Peromarta. Practice setting the azimuth (monitor in mono, set for loudest point), then on each Indian tape, monitor in mono and set for most treble and least "swish" sounds. With LP's azimuth tape you can return to proper azimuth after you have copied the cassette. Hi Tom, Are you serious? If playback azimuth is really a problem, he can just buy a Cassette Deck 1 on eBay. I got one in almost unused condition on eBay for $130, which is about what Luis's kit costs. DR-1 has playback azimuth adjustment too, doesn't it? You don't have to lay out the big bucks for the Dragon or CR-7 (the greatest deck of all time, wink, wink, nod, nod.) Jeff W _____ Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Jun 5 00:37:24 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:37:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0E5C6E79F3E3497CA498D662680F6513@GrahamNPC> True enough but the sellers can't tell their side of the story if they hit a bum buyer. Indeed, the boot is now on the other foot so the buyer can blackmail the seller - "Do this or that or I'll leave negative feedback" Make no mistake there are at least as many unscrupulous buyers as there are sellers. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of nigel vernon Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 9:42 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? The feedback system can never be foolproof but at least it's a step in the right direction.The individual ratings for item description, postal costs etc probably says more about a person's integrity than the overall feedback score. At least sellers can't give negative feedback to a buyer in retaliation anymore. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 22:26:00 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:26:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? In-Reply-To: References: <002a01c8c4f2$f3ae8650$db0b92f0$@utah.edu><20080603131228.HQZV7964.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: Unfortunately, sellers can't give negative feedback to a buyer for not paying (or any other legitimate reason) either. This makes it open season for idiot buyers to give the sellers negative feedback for no good reason with absolutely no recourse. I'm not sure how this can possibly be considered an improvement... ----- Original Message ----- From: nigel vernon To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:41 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? The feedback system can never be foolproof but at least it's a step in the right direction.The individual ratings for item description, postal costs etc probably says more about a person's integrity than the overall feedback score. 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Bob N Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Mark, The sensitivity, selectivity and front-end noise of the 430 and ST-7 are similar, neither has any advantage with regard to sensitivity. The 430 has a more-aggressive muting circuit which can mask weak stations. The ST-7 has a superior AFC circuit, so it doesn't drift off station as much, although the 430 drifts far less than most receivers, even new ones, and should be regarded as quite satisfactory. I do not think any stations transmit FM Dolby anymore, the format wasn't popular because receiving sets had the decoder, except for a few quality models. Also, stations weren't anxious to spend the money for the quite-expensive enciders along with the ongoing license fees to Dolby (although some stations could obtain exemptions to the license fee requirements). My suggestion is that you're looking to the wrong solution to receiving weak stations. You have a fabulous tuner already, what you need is a better antenna. Skip the 430, get a fabulous antenna. For AM reception, nothing beats a longwire antenna or a large loop antenna, especially with a tunable trap to improve selectivity. For FM reception, I'd recommend a good wideband yagi to improve off-axis rejection and reduce multipath reflections. If you're in a fringe reception area, a wideband RF preamplifier may be desirable. You can make one cheaply from two FETs and only a few passive components built into a small metal box. Remember that FM propagation is line-of-sight, so reception of faint stations beyond 25 to 50 miles or so is not a realistic expectation, unless you live in flat, open terrain. I don't know who makes such antenna new any more, I've always made my own antennae. On May 31, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Mark Exstedt wrote: I would like to post this on audiotalk, but again need a quick answer. I have a chance to buy a Nakamichi 430 FM tuner at a fair price. I already own two Nakamichi ST-7 am/fm tuners. One which has Scott Johnson's wireless remote control device and strongly advise anyone who owns an ST-7, to by his remote unit, as well as the ones for Nak cassette decks. I noticed that the ST-7 tuner pulls in an underground fm radio station very well. I noticed that the 430 FM tuner also has Dolby FM. My question is does anyone know that the 430 pulls in stations just like the ST-7? Is the tuner reception perhaps weaker or stronger? Therefore I'm still debating whether I should buy the 430 tuner and appreciate any comments. --------------------------------- Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. 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Pacific Daylight Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: I listen to Jagjit Singh, Ghulam Ali, ALlah rakha, Nusrat and also contemporary Hindi film music, esp RD Burman! in addition to Western jazz and an occasional classical tune. Hi Jeff, is your first name Bansi? That means flute as you very well know. Hi Ram, I play bansuri. You can see one of my performances at - http://www.swaralahari.org/videos/concertlist.html The last piece, Pilu, is the best. Jeff W --------------------------------- Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jun 5 00:44:53 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:44:53 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS Message-ID: In a message dated 6/4/2008 1:26:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com writes: Here is the problem, somewhere "out there" are thousands of Nakamichi 8096C belts with the same dimensions as mine. Right, Wrong or indifferent, my belt was sold to Nakamichi under the contract between the two. As mentioned in a previous post, Every belt I purchased that was suppose to be an "Original Nakamichi" 8096C, had different dimensions? I know Steven Sank from way back, 25 years ago? If I could get an "Original" from him, I could feel comfortable about it being a REAL "Original" 8096C. I have NO reason NOT to believe ANYONE, about their "Original C's", EXCEPT the dimension inconsistency's? I could then have that very belt manufactured IDENTICALLY. But, I have not found to the day, what I am convinced to be a honest to God original, based on the "C"'s I have measured, with absolutely NO consistency. Keeping this in mind, Why are there so many so called "Original" 8096C's "out there" with different dimensions ? Hi Fred, As far as I know, everyone except you has measured the original Nak 8096C at 9.2" length. From every measurement and test I can see, your belt which you refer to as a "8096D" is actually a re-manufacture of the Nak 82702A belt, for the Sankyo non-direct drive transport 3-head decks. Its performance in the CR-3 confirms this. Jeff W **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz Thu Jun 5 03:23:15 2008 From: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz (guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:23:15 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems Message-ID: First of all let me introduce myself. I’m Gennady (Guennadi, Ghennady) whatever you like. RF, Electronics and Sound Engineer – designer. My the 1-st tape recorder was MONO valve (tube) one in early 60's. Always serviced and repaired it myself. Now I do restoration of old sound equipment and musical instruments in my home lab as a hobby using professional test equipment. At home I’m hopelessly “analog” person. I’m not talking about MP3. Someone may like it, but not me. As for me even CD is not suitable source of high quality musical program. It has “digital disability”. I can hear it. This is my “disease” to hear too much, but I couldn’t find any “switcher” in my brain to switch this selectivity off. So here I am. Have done Fender Rhodes, Wurlitzer electric pianos, Mini Moog sinth, Fender Stratocaster and Gibson Les Paul guitars, Fender Blues Delux and Twin Reverb tube guitar amps, HAMMOND A100 (B3) organ from 1961 and Leslie 122 speaker Cabinet, few Mix desks (TAC MATCHLESS, Soundcraft 500, 600, etc), OTARI Studio Mastering tape machines MX-5050N II, MX-50N II), Thorens TD-125 mk II turntable etc. Most of them are in my collection. Recently I hooked on Nakamichi decks. Restored 480 as my Nakamichi learning exercise. It had 2 major problems. 1. Supply Pressure Roller Arm Assembly was glued to its shaft – fixed. 2. Too high WOW&FLUTTER measured by the NEUTRIK A2-Audio Test & Service System. It was audible. Visual inspection showed the Capstan Belt was cut of motorbike wheel tube. Bought the belt from TRADE-TECH. Additionally the Take-Up Reel Hub Pulley Assembly had uneven torque moment. The felt pad in the Assembly was glued off centre - fixed. WOW&FLUTTER in specs now. A week ago I bought DRAGON on Ebay “in excellent working and beautiful cosmetic condition”. Many problems arrived along with the deck. 1. Supply Pressure Roller Arm Assembly was glued to its shaft. The deck was working on take-up capstan only. To remove the Pressure Roller Arm Bushing I made the simple tool using a side-cutter. I filed flat one cutting tip. The other sharp one perfectly fit in the Bushing slot. To unglue and remove the assembly I heat up the shaft bearing tube with soldering iron and removed the assembly as quick as it possible to prevent the shaft heating and plastic shaft holder melting. I’ve done the same for the Take-Up Pressure Roller Arm Assembly. I don’t have the DA090-51A Tape Guide Height gauge. I made the gauge using modified cassette similar to Tape Travelling Adjustment Cassette recommended in the Service Manual. I fixed permanently the cassette tape guide rollers at their centre position using washers. Removed tape, put empty hubs on their places, put a piece of transparent lead tape at the normal tape position, laid the ends of the tape around the hubs and connected them together by a small spring providing constant tape tension. The tape is centred in the tape pass by the fixed rollers. Loaded the modified cassette in the mechanism, slowly rotated the Control Motor Pulley towards Playback position and watched the Supply and Take-Up Tape Guides approaching the tape using Meopta Industrial Stereo Microscope equipped with micrometer head. I adjusted each Arm Bushings position till the centred in the cassette tape fits to each Guide perfectly. 2. Watching the normal tape travelling through the another modified cassette slots I noticed the tape changed its position in Reverse mode. It shifted towards the Head Base by ~0.3mm. It is enough to confuse the Automatic Azimuth Adjustment System in Reverse mode. I think if it was the head tilt problem the tape could move to the same direction in both FWD and REV modes. I made the torque measuring cassette and measured the torque moment in both directions. It is different. Take-Up is 50 g*cm in FWD Playback mode and slightly uneven. Supply is 75 g*cm in REV Playback mode. The 480 deck Take-Up has about 50g*cm torque moment. I broke the Supply Hub slightly by an empty revolver case to reduce torque moment and the tape moved to the correct position. I disassembled both Reel Hub Pulley Assemblies to check the felt pads and the tension springs condition. The reason of the Take-Up uneven torque moment was similar to the 480 deck. The felt pad in the Assembly was glued off centre – fixed. Both Tension springs are identical except the Supply spring is stretched longer then Take-Up one. Fully engaged it has 256g force. The Take-Up spring has 220g force. My question is: Is this normal or this is the manufacturing assembly fault? I may squeeze the spring over the tunes to make both springs of the same length and pressure force. Am I on the right way? Thanks for your time. Cheers, Gennady guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz http://www.exicom.co.nz Phone: +64 4 237 2149 Fax: +64 4 237 9696 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Introducing Live Search cashback. http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=srchpaysyouback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Thu Jun 5 09:06:11 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:06:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? In-Reply-To: <0E5C6E79F3E3497CA498D662680F6513@GrahamNPC> References: <0E5C6E79F3E3497CA498D662680F6513@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <060520080706.24809.48479062000D6205000060E922193100029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> I could not disagree more. Yes. I'm sure there are jerks who try unscrupulous schemes on both sides. However, do 90% of purchases online or off line (brick-n-mortar) involve feedback from merchants about experiences with every client? If a store owner dislikes the buyers attitude or behavior, he is welcome to invite the person to leave the shop. Does Yahoo et al run across the occasional dead beat? Therefore it seems to me, that a seller can reject or block an individual bidder if he has such reservations. Right? Listen, why offer a used component online if you cannot tolerate the risk of running across Mr Hyde if all you want to deal with is Mr. Jekyll? I look for a sellers' feedback trends and customer relations attitude before hitting the completion key. Trends are far more reliable an indicator than one or two flames from the Mr Hydes. And Whoa! a seller who retaliates, those cats can keep their wares... -------------- Original message from "Graham A Nelson" : -------------- True enough but the sellers can't tell their side of the story if they hit a bum buyer. Indeed, the boot is now on the other foot so the buyer can blackmail the seller - "Do this or that or I'll leave negative feedback" Make no mistake there are at least as many unscrupulous buyers as there are sellers. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of nigel vernon Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 9:42 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? The feedback system can never be foolproof but at least it's a step in the right direction.The individual ratings for item description, postal costs etc probably says more about a person's integrity than the overall feedback score. At least sellers can't give negative feedback to a buyer in retaliation anymore. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Thu Jun 5 09:41:42 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:41:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts In-Reply-To: References: <866210.87382.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <060520080741.14598.484798B50003AED30000390622193100029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Gotta love that logic. Why would real gold matter if you can by Pyrite for a fraction of the cost? -------------- Original message from "Dennis Ball" : -------------- Maybe he just arrowed them for all the old farts that think they are getting screwed if they don't have an arrow on their belt? Who would have though that belt selection would be such a perilous task... I have to wonder how much better Fred's belt would sound to many, if he raised the price to $65.00 USD. This whole thing is getting very tiring. When my deck needs a new belt I guess it will get what Andy or perhaps Tom installs. =:-)) Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:07 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts Ed, Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and asked if it mattered how the arrow was oriented while replacing the belt, and was promptly told, to position it in the direction of motion for better w/f numbers. I listened and obeyed! May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all that we know.. and arrowed them according to numbers on w/f/. Regards, Ram Edward Noyes wrote: Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the actual Nak 8096 belts years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for belts had been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke about the fact that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on them. I don't know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a point of testing and marking them himself (which is entirely possible). As received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, Ed shanti ramachandran wrote: > Tom and others, > > ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating direction of motion, so > the belt could be installed with the right orientation to obtain > perfect w/f numbers. > > One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I used for my ZX9 > recently had a red arrow, rather than a white arrow that we all know > in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in my ZX9 so > dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! > > Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. If Fred's belts are > good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others should supplement us > Nak heads with data to affirm this. > > Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun intended!) and > cherish our wonderful machines. > > Have a great weekend. > > Regards, > Ram > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Thu Jun 5 12:06:53 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:36:53 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Another Re-cap question Message-ID: <004c01c8c6f3$e9904d40$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi all Following up on the 680zx recap endeavor by Dan, i would like to ask a few myself. Well, i too changed all the electrolytics of my MR deck, and used mainly nichicon and a few elna/rubicon capacitors. (This deck is almost 20 yrs old). These are available cheap (almost 0.38cents a capacitor) and i used the normal grade (VR series of nichicon). Made some power supply bypasses and changed a few orange caps. I also changed the opamps to use OP275 (for now) with gold plated sockets... and powered up : The first few seconds on hitting play.. there was a scratchy noise which slowly cleared away into nice music. I kept playing the deck for many hours to burn in the capacitors (which as i am to understand, takes less time for nichicons). My verdict : the sound has improved bass response, almost comparable to a 3 head deck and a deeper soundstage. The only hitch is that the noise levels have supposedly increased when using dolby B or C. Playing back pre-recorded tapes with dolby B does not totally cut the hiss (compared to another deck).. and recordings i made on CrO2 tapes with dolby C seem to introduce a little more hiss. On further inspection i came to this conclusion : a) To use nichicon muse (or KZ / FA / FG series capacitors) in the critical analog signal paths b) Some of the capacitors I replaced are of 10% tolerance (those marked as (K)) in the service manual. The normal capacitors are 20% tolerance which i used instead ... and im hoping my conclusions are correct about the increased hiss with dolby on. I hope any of you experts could add something to this. Thanks and regards Soumitra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Thu Jun 5 13:25:04 2008 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?UTF-8?Q?P=C3=A4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:25:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems References: Message-ID: <2EF58F3A70534C03B76FD0A56B3F80A6@superdator> It sounds like worned presure rollers. I had the same symtom on a dragon a couple of years ago. Also check if the washers are installed correctly. They are different in thickness. The thinner ones should be cloose to the pressure rollers and the thicker ones outside the metal tape guide, take a look in the service manual parts section. Also check that the guides can move without problem. I must also warn you about making electrical adjustments on the NAAC system before you have solved the tape travelling problem. Without a perfect tape travel it is almost impossible to adjust it according the service manual. So as with everything: If it works, don´t mess with it! Have a nice day and good luck with your DRAGON/Par. ----- Original Message ----- From: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems First of all let me introduce myself. I’m Gennady (Guennadi, Ghennady) whatever you like. RF, Electronics and Sound Engineer – designer. My the 1-st tape recorder was MONO valve (tube) one in early 60's. Always serviced and repaired it myself. Now I do restoration of old sound equipment and musical instruments in my home lab as a hobby using professional test equipment. At home I’m hopelessly “analog” person. I’m not talking about MP3. Someone may like it, but not me. As for me even CD is not suitable source of high quality musical program. It has “digital disability”. I can hear it. This is my “disease” to hear too much, but I couldn’t find any “switcher” in my brain to switch this selectivity off. So here I am. Have done Fender Rhodes, Wurlitzer electric pianos, Mini Moog sinth, Fender Stratocaster and Gibson Les Paul guitars, Fender Blues Delux and Twin Reverb tube guitar amps, HAMMOND A100 (B3) organ from 1961 and Leslie 122 speaker Cabinet, few Mix desks (TAC MATCHLESS, Soundcraft 500, 600, etc), OTARI Studio Mastering tape machines MX-5050N II, MX-50N II), Thorens TD-125 mk II turntable etc. Most of them are in my collection. Recently I hooked on Nakamichi decks. Restored 480 as my Nakamichi learning exercise. It had 2 major problems. 1. Supply Pressure Roller Arm Assembly was glued to its shaft – fixed. 2. Too high WOW&FLUTTER measured by the NEUTRIK A2-Audio Test & Service System. It was audible. Visual inspection showed the Capstan Belt was cut of motorbike wheel tube. Bought the belt from TRADE-TECH. Additionally the Take-Up Reel Hub Pulley Assembly had uneven torque moment. The felt pad in the Assembly was glued off centre - fixed. WOW&FLUTTER in specs now. A week ago I bought DRAGON on Ebay “in excellent working and beautiful cosmetic condition”. Many problems arrived along with the deck. 1. Supply Pressure Roller Arm Assembly was glued to its shaft. The deck was working on take-up capstan only. To remove the Pressure Roller Arm Bushing I made the simple tool using a side-cutter. I filed flat one cutting tip. The other sharp one perfectly fit in the Bushing slot. To unglue and remove the assembly I heat up the shaft bearing tube with soldering iron and removed the assembly as quick as it possible to prevent the shaft heating and plastic shaft holder melting. I’ve done the same for the Take-Up Pressure Roller Arm Assembly. I don’t have the DA090-51A Tape Guide Height gauge. I made the gauge using modified cassette similar to Tape Travelling Adjustment Cassette recommended in the Service Manual. I fixed permanently the cassette tape guide rollers at their centre position using washers. Removed tape, put empty hubs on their places, put a piece of transparent lead tape at the normal tape position, laid the ends of the tape around the hubs and connected them together by a small spring providing constant tape tension. The tape is centred in the tape pass by the fixed rollers. Loaded the modified cassette in the mechanism, slowly rotated the Control Motor Pulley towards Playback position and watched the Supply and Take-Up Tape Guides approaching the tape using Meopta Industrial Stereo Microscope equipped with micrometer head. I adjusted each Arm Bushings position till the centred in the cassette tape fits to each Guide perfectly. 2. Watching the normal tape travelling through the another modified cassette slots I noticed the tape changed its position in Reverse mode. It shifted towards the Head Base by ~0.3mm. It is enough to confuse the Automatic Azimuth Adjustment System in Reverse mode. I think if it was the head tilt problem the tape could move to the same direction in both FWD and REV modes. I made the torque measuring cassette and measured the torque moment in both directions. It is different. Take-Up is 50 g*cm in FWD Playback mode and slightly uneven. Supply is 75 g*cm in REV Playback mode. The 480 deck Take-Up has about 50g*cm torque moment. I broke the Supply Hub slightly by an empty revolver case to reduce torque moment and the tape moved to the correct position. I disassembled both Reel Hub Pulley Assemblies to check the felt pads and the tension springs condition. The reason of the Take-Up uneven torque moment was similar to the 480 deck. The felt pad in the Assembly was glued off centre – fixed. Both Tension springs are identical except the Supply spring is stretched longer then Take-Up one. Fully engaged it has 256g force. The Take-Up spring has 220g force. My question is: Is this normal or this is the manufacturing assembly fault? I may squeeze the spring over the tunes to make both springs of the same length and pressure force. Am I on the right way? Thanks for your time. Cheers, Gennady guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz http://www.exicom.co.nz Phone: +64 4 237 2149 Fax: +64 4 237 9696 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Thu Jun 5 13:41:32 2008 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 05:41:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? In-Reply-To: <0E5C6E79F3E3497CA498D662680F6513@GrahamNPC> References: <0E5C6E79F3E3497CA498D662680F6513@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <458FC5C7269F8B4A95C782DB2CED6E7D0659A56A@ued8.UE.com> my sentiments, as well... it's seller beware now. ________________________________ From: Graham A Nelson [mailto:grahamanelson at googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:37 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? True enough but the sellers can't tell their side of the story if they hit a bum buyer. Indeed, the boot is now on the other foot so the buyer can blackmail the seller - "Do this or that or I'll leave negative feedback" Make no mistake there are at least as many unscrupulous buyers as there are sellers. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of nigel vernon Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 9:42 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? The feedback system can never be foolproof but at least it's a step in the right direction.The individual ratings for item description, postal costs etc probably says more about a person's integrity than the overall feedback score. At least sellers can't give negative feedback to a buyer in retaliation anymore. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 14:56:53 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:56:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? In-Reply-To: <060520080706.24809.48479062000D6205000060E922193100029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> References: <0E5C6E79F3E3497CA498D662680F6513@GrahamNPC> <060520080706.24809.48479062000D6205000060E922193100029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: So how is the ebay seller supposed to figure out if he doesn't like the potential buyer's attitude or behavior with no way for previous sellers to warn future sellers? It's not like I can look at a bid that someone made and determine that this buyer is going to be trouble (wow - he placed that bid with a really big chip on his shoulder...), so I better cancel the bid and block them from bidding on my auctions. However, if I can look at their past performance as a buyer and see that they have a history of not paying for what they bid on I have useful information to work with. There is now absolutely nothing to stop trolls from messing with auctions - they can leave negative feedback to every seller (turning future customers away) and have nothing to worry about. Sure, ebay may eventually catch up with some of these trolls and kick them off, but the damage will already be done and these people can just sign up again with a different username. This process hurts everyone - not just the seller. What about the legitimate buyer who gets outbid by a troll and something the buyer really wanted? Now the seller is stuck with the hassle of a non-paying bidder and the buyer who was actually willing to purchase the item is left out in the cold. Yeah, the new feedback system really rocks.....not. The old system wasn't perfect either, but I strongly feel they've made it much worse rather than improving it. -- Geoffrey Reynolds On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:06 AM, wrote: > I could not disagree more. Yes. I'm sure there are jerks who try > unscrupulous schemes on both sides. However, do 90% of purchases online or > off line (brick-n-mortar) involve feedback from merchants about > experiences with every client? If a store owner dislikes the buyers attitude > or behavior, he is welcome to invite the person to leave the shop. Does > Yahoo et al run across the occasional dead beat? Therefore it seems to me, > that a seller can reject or block an individual bidder if he has such > reservations. Right? Listen, why offer a used component online if you cannot > tolerate the risk of running across Mr Hyde if all you want to deal with is > Mr. Jekyll? I look for a sellers' feedback trends and customer relations > attitude before hitting the completion key. Trends are far more reliable an > indicator than one or two flames from the Mr Hydes. And Whoa! a seller who > retaliates, those cats can keep their wares... From lenaw at flash.net Thu Jun 5 15:12:57 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 06:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] I've contacted Scott Johnson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <977094.90042.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I believe that is why Jeff Gatlin of ESL has suggested that no matter how many boxes are being used in shipping, the unit need to be bubble wrapped all around for at least 6 inches thickness. At the same time Tom B. has pointed out in the past that using original foams to hold the unit in the inner box not necessary means that the unit is better protected than bubble wrap. Mike Mark Exstedt wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } I have made postings a few months ago in regards to contacting Scott Johnson concerning getting my ZX-7 cassette deck back. He did contact me via email May 16th and mentioned he'll send it back. This is Scott's comments on my tape deck. Please also look up the link to which he posted: Your ZX-7 was damaged during shipping that I didn't realize until later. It was a small crack on around one of the mounting screws for one of the circuit boards. I repaired the broken traces, but, have not figured out how to secure the board well enough to survive shipping. I have taken a picture and posted it on the web. http://www.nakremotes.com/nakremotes/Images/Mark_ZX-7/Mark_ZX-7.htm --------------------------------- Search that pays you back! Introducing Live Search cashback. Search Now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Thu Jun 5 16:02:36 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:02:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] I've contacted Scott Johnson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <060520081402.17651.4847F1FB00069EA6000044F322230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Could be a fairly easy one to treat. Have him obtain a measured square of say, size 2X2" styrene foam or plastic foam that will fit between the PBC's, top AND bottom case. He will need to make sure it fits snuggly with just enough force that it will support and immobilize, but not add excessive tension on either side. Or remove tbe board, and ship separately in a hard and braced envelope that will need to be reinstalled once the deck arrives to your destination. dino -------------- Original message from Mark Exstedt : -------------- I have made postings a few months ago in regards to contacting Scott Johnson concerning getting my ZX-7 cassette deck back. He did contact me via email May 16th and mentioned he'll send it back. This is Scott's comments on my tape deck. Please also look up the link to which he posted: Your ZX-7 was damaged during shipping that I didn't realize until later. It was a small crack on around one of the mounting screws for one of the circuit boards. I repaired the broken traces, but, have not figured out how to secure the board well enough to survive shipping. I have taken a picture and posted it on the web. http://www.nakremotes.com/nakremotes/Images/Mark_ZX-7/Mark_ZX-7.htm Search that pays you back! Introducing Live Search cashback. Search Now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jun 5 16:27:35 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:27:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? In-Reply-To: References: <002a01c8c4f2$f3ae8650$db0b92f0$@utah.edu><20080603131228.HQZV7964.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <4847F7D7.8060306@rcn.com> Well, there are (at least) two sides to every argument... The only negative feedback I ever got on ebay was from a scammer, in retaliation for a complaint I filed with ebay. The funny part is that this intelligent person actually stated that it was retaliatory; yet, in the final analysis, a negative is a negative and nobody reads the text. Seems to me, a better approach would have been to reject retaliatory negative feedback, but allow negative feedback for other reasons. The problem is that this would be a bit difficult (read, expensive) for ebay to manage. No wonder they chose the simpler (read, cheaper) way. -- Ron Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > Unfortunately, sellers can't give negative feedback to a buyer for not > paying (or any other legitimate reason) either. This makes it open > season for idiot buyers to give the sellers negative feedback for no > good reason with absolutely no recourse. I'm not sure how this can > possibly be considered an improvement... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* nigel vernon > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:41 AM > *Subject:* RE: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? > > The feedback system can never be foolproof but at least it's a step > in the right direction.The individual ratings for item description, > postal costs etc probably says more about a person's integrity than > the overall feedback score. At least sellers can't give negative > feedback to a buyer in retaliation anymore. > From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 16:31:50 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:31:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? In-Reply-To: References: <0E5C6E79F3E3497CA498D662680F6513@GrahamNPC> <060520080706.24809.48479062000D6205000060E922193100029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <518b7b10806050731p524ba238m2ca281d7e541763a@mail.gmail.com> I have personally suffered ( to a total of almost EUR 2000) from buyers who claimed non-delivery within 10 days from end of auction, got a refund through Paypal, then received the item a week or so later (verified by Royal Mail) and never paid. And now I can't leave negative feedback for such lower body orifices ? How is that fair ? Or the idiot who bought a vintage camera from me and promptly left negative feedback upon receipt claiming it doesn't work without even trying to contact me. When I got hold of him and offered a full refund plus collecting the "faulty" camera in person, he mumbled "Oh no, it's all fine now, it was a loose screw in the electrics" - THERE IS NOTHING ELECTRICAL IN A 1940s ZEISS camera. I guess you can work out my opinion of the new feedback system..... On 6/5/08, Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > So how is the ebay seller supposed to figure out if he > doesn't like the potential buyer's attitude or behavior with no way > for previous sellers to warn future sellers? It's not like I can look > at a bid that someone made and determine that this buyer is going to > be trouble (wow - he placed that bid with a really big chip on his > shoulder...), so I better cancel the bid and block them from bidding > on my auctions. However, if I can look at their past performance as a > buyer and see that they have a history of not paying for what they bid > on I have useful information to work with. > > There is now absolutely nothing to stop trolls from messing with > auctions - they can leave negative feedback to every seller (turning > future customers away) and have nothing to worry about. Sure, ebay > may eventually catch up with some of these trolls and kick them off, > but the damage will already be done and these people can just sign up > again with a different username. This process hurts everyone - not > just the seller. What about the legitimate buyer who gets outbid by a > troll and something the buyer really wanted? Now the seller is stuck > with the hassle of a non-paying bidder and the buyer who was actually > willing to purchase the item is left out in the cold. > > Yeah, the new feedback system really rocks.....not. > > The old system wasn't perfect either, but I strongly feel they've made > it much worse rather than improving it. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 3:06 AM, wrote: > > I could not disagree more. Yes. I'm sure there are jerks who try > > unscrupulous schemes on both sides. However, do 90% of purchases online or > > off line (brick-n-mortar) involve feedback from merchants about > > experiences with every client? If a store owner dislikes the buyers attitude > > or behavior, he is welcome to invite the person to leave the shop. Does > > Yahoo et al run across the occasional dead beat? Therefore it seems to me, > > that a seller can reject or block an individual bidder if he has such > > reservations. Right? Listen, why offer a used component online if you cannot > > tolerate the risk of running across Mr Hyde if all you want to deal with is > > Mr. Jekyll? I look for a sellers' feedback trends and customer relations > > attitude before hitting the completion key. Trends are far more reliable an > > indicator than one or two flames from the Mr Hydes. 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From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Thu Jun 5 17:54:07 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:54:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS In-Reply-To: <20301063.1212617585739.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <060520081554.24956.48480C1D0005A6670000617C22216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> I just spoke to Jeff G. and he extended the same offer to test the 8096D but was ignored. -------------- Original message from Tom Brucker : -------------- Fred, I am glad you have sold enough 8096D belts to reorder from Japan. I would urge you as a friend to not take these belt discussions as a personal attack. We in the world of Nak have a limited supply of a critical part, and the price charged for that part reflects its scarcity. We are lucky to have an involved group willing to test various belts under different conditions, and a forum to share for everyone's benefit. I have posted my opinion about the identity of your 8096D belt. A group of us are collecting independent tests of several belts which we will post once we collect them all. I spoke with you privately before the 8096D belt arrived in Texas offering to test a sample before you made a bulk purchase. Unfortunately, for reasons unknown to me, you did not accept my offer. The 8096D belt is not the same belt as the 8096C, but it is much better than the original Marrs classic belt. IF we as a community can deliver what we believe to be the best dimensions, the correct tolerances, and whatever other details you need to have a "perfect" 8096C clone would you be willing to work with us? Fred, you have the "machinery" to market and distribute mass quantities of belts. You insist of good quality and fair dealings. I don't think any other supplier exists that would do a better job. I urge you to let NakTalk's techs verify the quality of the real 8096K (klone , get it?) as we work together to bring an affordable no-compromise belt to Nak world. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Marrs Communications Sent: Jun 4, 2008 12:16 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS Hi Kannan, Point taken. Here is the problem, somewhere "out there" are thousands of Nakamichi 8096C belts with the same dimensions as mine. Right, Wrong or indifferent, my belt was sold to Nakamichi under the contract between the two. As mentioned in a previous post, Every belt I purchased that was suppose to be an "Original Nakamichi" 8096C, had different dimensions? I know Steven Sank from way back, 25 years ago? If I could get an "Original" from him, I could feel comfortable about it being a REAL "Original" 8096C. I have NO reason NOT to believe ANYONE, about their "Original C's", EXCEPT the dimension inconsistency's? I could then have that very belt manufactured IDENTICALLY. But, I have not found to the day, what I am convinced to be a honest to God original, based on the "C"'s I have measured, with absolutely NO consistency. Keeping this in mind, Why are there so many so called "Original" 8096C's "out there" with different dimensions ? ( I posted my measurements, using a PRB belt measuring tool, previously ). Bottom line, once everyone is in agreement of just what the dimensions of a "Original" 8096C is, I CAN have that belt manufactured Identically, to those dimensions, with markings, without markings, shorter, longer, wider, whatever. Up to this point, I do not have anything to work with, except the word of my factory and my manufacturing specifications agreement with them. What very little input I have received up to this point has been criticism, and have produced a 8096 that IS "Original" to the best of my knowledge. Fred M. kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Before putting any marking on this belt, i feel you should not advertise this as exact equivalent in light of many people seeing apparent length mismatch between original belt and yours. Also try to find out the real measurement as I am yet to measure your belts against my own stock of 8096C bought from Stephen Sank ( who kept enough of these belts from nak spare parts) /old Nakamichi spare parts department as well as latest batch from nak dealer. Generally belt dimension is as important as the constituent. Your belt seems to match CR3 belt than 8096C. I am not trying discourage you but this is the correct thing to do in light of many people observing the dimensional match to CR3 belt than 8096C I am not seeing anything wrong with your assumptions and trials so far but try to get the dimesions also corrected ( tried with Nak classic mechanism for acceptability) before taking efforts to add the arrow. kannan --- On Mon, 6/2/08, Marrs Communications wrote: From: Marrs Communications Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 4:29 PM Hey, Just a reminder of what my factory guy said, for what it's worth . 9. I did NOT have the arrow placed on my 8096-D because the factory told me it was NOT worth the time and effort. When testing for Quality Control they never found over: +/- 0.01 to 0.02% difference in measurement due to direction of travel ! I invite everyone to test my "D" in both directions, but I doubt you will see additional improvement over the numbers above. 10. I just received my 2nd shipment of 8096-D's and did NOT have the line across the face installed for the same reasons above, in addition to cost savings. I can have the arrow and line installed on the next order IF everyone prefers that, but I am convinced it is a waste based on the factories comments. Fred M shanti ramachandran wrote: Ed, Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and asked if it mattered how the arrow was oriented while replacing the belt, and was promptly told, to position it in the direction of motion for better w/f numbers. I listened and obeyed! May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all that we know.. and arrowed them according to numbers on w/f/. Regards, Ram Edward Noyes wrote: Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the actual Nak 8096 belts years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for belts had been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke about the fact that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on them. I don't know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a point of testing and marking them himself (which is entirely possible). As received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, Ed shanti ramachandran wrote: > Tom and others, > > ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating direction of motion, so > the belt could be installed with the right orientation to obtain > perfect w/f numbers. > > One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I used for my ZX9 > recently had a red arrow, rather than a white arrow that we all know > in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in my ZX9 so > dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! > > Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. If Fred's belts are > good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others should supplement us > Nak heads with data to affirm this. > > Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun intended!) and > cherish our wonderful machines. > > Have a great weekend. > > Regards, > Ram > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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I > have taken a picture and posted it on the web. > > http://www.nakremotes.com/nakremotes/Images/Mark_ZX-7/Mark_ZX-7.htm I take it the picture was taken before the repair? It seems to me the PCB could be glued back together using a bead of epoxy along the broken edge, so as to maintain the original dimensions. Then, the same screw would support the PCB, exactly as it did before the damage occurred. The epoxied area should actually be stronger than the original PCB and shipping stress would be of no concern. Did Scott post a picture of the PCB after repair? -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jun 5 17:29:38 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:29:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Another Re-cap question In-Reply-To: <004c01c8c6f3$e9904d40$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <004c01c8c6f3$e9904d40$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <48480662.6090405@rcn.com> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi all > Following up on the 680zx recap endeavor by Dan, i would like to ask a > few myself. > Well, i too changed all the electrolytics of my MR deck, and used mainly > nichicon and a few elna/rubicon capacitors. (This deck is almost 20 yrs > old). Manufacturer is of little importance. Most manufacturers have several lines, that are made differently and offer different characteristics, at correspondingly different prices. > These are available cheap (almost 0.38cents a capacitor) and i used the > normal grade (VR series of nichicon). Made some power supply bypasses > and changed a few orange caps. > I also changed the opamps to use OP275 (for now) with gold plated > sockets... and powered up : > The first few seconds on hitting play.. there was a scratchy noise which > slowly cleared away into nice music. That indicates a problem. You either put in a bad component or have a poor solder joint someplace. > I kept playing the deck for many hours to burn in the capacitors (which > as i am to understand, takes less time for nichicons). I wonder what physically changes in capacitors as they are burned in. I am not a component engineer, but believe that capacitors neither need nor are affected by burn in. The only advantage of burn in is identification of units subject to infant mortality (and should be done before installation). > My verdict : > the sound has improved bass response, almost comparable to a 3 head deck ... The sonic advantage of 3 head decks is in the extended high frequencies, not in the bass. > ... and a deeper soundstage. The only hitch is that the noise levels have > supposedly increased when using dolby B or C. Playing back pre-recorded > tapes with dolby B does not totally cut the hiss (compared to another > deck).. and recordings i made on CrO2 tapes with dolby C seem to > introduce a little more hiss. Replacing caps certainly shouldn't increase noise. This supports my suspicion of either a bad unit or a bad solder joint. > On further inspection i came to this conclusion : > a) To use nichicon muse (or KZ / FA / FG series capacitors) in the > critical analog signal paths Doesn't have to be Nichicon; but, yes, you should have used audio grade caps in the signal path. They will cost more than 29 cents, though. > b) Some of the capacitors I replaced are of 10% tolerance (those marked > as (K)) in the service manual. The normal capacitors are 20% > tolerance which i used instead ... That was not a good idea. > ... and im hoping my conclusions are > correct about the increased hiss with dolby on. It would have been good to measure noise figures before and after (but then, hindsight is always 20/20...). If the noise increased in one channel only, it should be comparatively easy to locate the fault. If not, try checking all solder joints. Failing that, consider repeating the exercise -- this time, with better, audio grade caps of the original or better tolerance. Good luck, -- Ron > I hope any of you experts could add something to this. > > Thanks and regards > Soumitra From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 5 20:57:58 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:57:58 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] I've contacted Scott Johnson Message-ID: I'm not sure whether Scott is reading Naktalk emails these days. Perhaps if he has yet to repair the board, you may send your emails of suggestions directly to him. I also think Scott may be busy traveling again, therefore I have yet to receive the deck back.> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:51:51 -0400> From: ra.ah at rcn.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] I've contacted Scott Johnson> > Mark Exstedt wrote:> > I have made postings a few months ago in regards to contacting Scott > > Johnson concerning getting my ZX-7 cassette deck back. He did contact me > > via email May 16th and mentioned he'll send it back.> > > > This is Scott's comments on my tape deck. Please also look up the link > > to which he posted:> > > > Your ZX-7 was damaged during shipping that I didn't realize until > > later. It was a small crack on around one of the mounting screws for > > one of the circuit boards. I repaired the broken traces, but, have not > > figured out how to secure the board well enough to survive shipping. I > > have taken a picture and posted it on the web.> > > > http://www.nakremotes.com/nakremotes/Images/Mark_ZX-7/Mark_ZX-7.htm> > I take it the picture was taken before the> repair? It seems to me the PCB could be> glued back together using a bead of epoxy> along the broken edge, so as to maintain> the original dimensions. Then, the same> screw would support the PCB, exactly as it> did before the damage occurred. 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URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Jun 6 02:31:18 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 01:31:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FW: New Ebay scores? The weaknesses in the scoring system. Message-ID: This is off topic but I thought it might interest some of the Nak list guys. If not, you know the subject and you can ignore it. It's also a bit long but I'm hypomanic at the moment! I beg to differ with your overall argument. In my experience, in bricks and mortar retail, there are plenty of customers who are unreasonable and quite happy to spread their "false" tales of "horrendous" service to anyone who will listen. I know it's not entirely relevant to eBay but Fred's experience with a customer who complained about something that Fred didn't even sell him is not that rare! I've seen it, too. But perhaps more common will be customers who expect Roll Royce service for Trabant money! Oh boy, they complain loudly! "I bought a $50 dining table and the wood grain of the legs don't match." It is known to "customer service" experts the world over that every unhappy customers will tell at least seven potential customers about the supplier who aggrieves them. Those tales are not necessarily true but the dissatisfied customer's perception of what happened is in error. Arising from this knowledge comes the old retail adage "the customer is always right, even when he's wrong." So, you pander to them even though that customer is then losing you money. (Right Fred? I was thinking of the guy who thought you sold him a belt that you didn't sell him ...) In bricks and mortar retail one such customer, one who IS wrong, can and will tell seven but on eBay he may tell at least seven thousand of people about their misconceived experience! And now , knowing there is no right of reply, I've little doubt a significant proportion of them will over-egg their position. Indeed, I KNOW they will over egg it and "put the boot in" anyway because they are angry and people who are angry usually over react. (Never mind hitting someone when a gun will do!) For example, the common complaint: "The SOB hasn't delivered ..." But the goods are late because of the Postal service...nevertheless, some dissatisfied customer are trigger happy. He accuses the seller of ripping him off, complains to eBay and gives negative feedback. That's just great! Especially when they are wrong and don't realise it! Why, I had one customer , South Korea who was unhappy because a Thorens TT I sold him hadn't arrived 5 days after the eBay auction was completed - and they were calendar days not working days!. For goodness sake, he was in S Korea and I'm in the UK!) I could have shipped it A BIT quicker but not that fast! (A bit because I didn't expect his payment to be received by my bank 6 hours after the transaction ... credits that fast just don't happen between seller and buyer even in the UK unless you pay cash, so I didn't anticipate his money quite so fast. So, I got the message, "My money has been in your account for 3 days and you have not despatched the turntable... Are you a crook. When you send my turntable!! I will report you to eBay!" he complained and threatened, and he did just that. (Similarly, people will often over egg their satisfaction because it's human nature to try to be nice! e.g. "Actually, the product wasn't that good but he was such a nice guy to deal with I'll say I am satisfied." ) But the seller cannot answer unfair criticism. Plus, the buyer doesn't see the REAL service delivery behind the scores anyway. And besides the real customer service research experts agree that conventional but crude satisfaction scores, like those being used on eBay, produce more extreme results than is actually the case . There are OTHER more sophisticated methods of measuring satisfaction that are more accurate. What this crude satisfaction scale does is encourage people who may actually be just "satisfied" to be more likely to say they are "very satisfied", while those who are "dissatisfied" will tend to be polarised as well . A more sophisticated scale usually show s the largest proportion of customers are actually floating around the middle! Even 99% customer service marketers don't understand this so it comes as no surprise that Joe Soap/John Doe also interprets the same results literally when they ought not be . They don't understand data from this kind of satisfaction scale is inherently inaccuracy. For example, if you see 99% satisfaction from the crude scale it's quite likely the more sophisticated method may show only only 50% were satisfied, 5% were very satisfied, maybe 8% were dissatisfied, and the rest were ambivalent ! Moreover, a handful of VERY dissatisfied scores will drag down the average ... and as I have mentioned before, those very dissatisfied scores may be plain wrong or unfair in the extreme of their marks. In other words, this kind of scale that eBay are using, and the reporting of the statistics is unfair to sellers and it doesn't help buyers too well, either ! So, why won't eBay use a more sophisticated method of evaluating buyer (and seller) satisfaction? I don't know - you'd have to ask them, but it's quite possible give survey technology on the internet, much more easy than it is on a paper survey. So, what's the solution? Personally, I'd like to see eBay allow scores on both sides, AND plenty of space for potential buyers and sellers to see the justifications, defend their scores and answer the replies. This would aid both sides to spot who are the bad sellers AND the "compulsive litigant" buyers that crawl around eBay. ( Remember, the USA probably has the highest rate of "compulsive litigants" in the World - no where else are there more people who are prepared to "sue" over the slightest thing. It's getting that way in the UK but at least we don't have "ambulance chasers" ... yet. These people complain if you so much as sneeze and demand compensation for a bit of spittle on the surface. They are unreasonable, they complain unfairly and they are growing in number and populating eBay!!! ) In short, I think you are much too kind about buyers. I believe I have seen plenty of evidence to show me that there are at least as many unreasonable buyers as there are bad sellers. In all my trading on eBay, I've I've bought nigh on 150 , and sold about 10-20 items , but I have also been ripped off by only one seller, and I've also been ripped off by one buyer. In fact, personal experience aside, as a researcher I think what I have enough evidence to shows me there are many more unreasonable buyers than sellers. Regards Gra' -----Original Message----- From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net [mailto:ddino77 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:06 AM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? I could not disagree more. Yes. I'm sure there are jerks who try unscrupulous schemes on both sides. However, do 90% of purchases online or off line (brick-n-mortar) involve feedback from merchants about experiences with every client? If a store owner dislikes the buyers attitude or behavior, he is welcome to invite the person to leave the shop. Does Yahoo et al run across the occasional dead beat? Therefore it seems to me, that a seller can reject or block an individual bidder if he has such reservations. Right? Listen, why offer a used component online if you cannot tolerate the risk of running across Mr Hyde if all you want to deal with is Mr. Jekyll? I look for a sellers' feedback trends and customer relations attitude before hitting the completion key. Trends are far more reliable an indicator than one or two flames from the Mr Hydes. And Whoa! a seller who retaliates, those cats can keep their wares... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Jun 7 00:38:43 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 23:38:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: New Ebay scores? The weaknesses in the scoring system. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <94153502563C46F3AE6A3B8585E6069B@GrahamNPC> Hi Mike Actually, I think there is quite a lot of significant things that goes with buyers which can be rated: Do they complete the transaction, or mess about? Do they pay promptly? Do they reply to communications in a timely fashion? (Do they reply at all?!) Are they reasonable esp. with regard to their rating of the buyer and their aftersales demands? There are more I am sure but my brain is faddled and I can't think of them at the mo'! We are also in agreement that sellers ought to be able to challenge/amend feedback given by buyers when it is plain wrong/unfair. As an aside, in comparing notes with Jeff, where I have had very few problems buying (and selling ) in eBay, while he's had a belly full, we noted that there is a big difference between what he and I do - i.e. he buys Nak things whereas I have only ever bought one Nak item on eBay, and the rest have been an assortment of other things. So, I am left wondering if the problem of cheats is peculiar with premium products, not least Nakamichi hi fi... Cheers, Gra' -----Original Message----- From: orders at pennysconstruction [mailto:orders at pennysconstruction.com] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:56 PM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: New Ebay scores? The weaknesses in the scoring system. Well, what do you have in mind? See, it doesn't bother me that much, because I leave feedback as soon as the package goes out. I don't like it at all, when the seller doesn't leave it for me when I buy. Also I try to read the feedback comments about a seller. I look for comments about the accuracy of the listing, and there for, I try to leave comments like that too. IMO feedback on a buyer is stupid anyway. How good could you rate a buyer? All there doing is paying for something. It's not like sellers, where you want to find out if they describe an item accurately. Who really looks at a buyers feedback? You don't often have the chance, as they bid in the last minute of an auction. I would like the ability to amend feedback, because I get screwed sometimes. I can't do anything because I've left feedback already. Thanks Mike ----- Original -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jun 6 02:32:09 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 20:32:09 -0400 Subject: FW: [naktalk] I've contacted Scott Johnson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17d5ee910806051732k314fb808rc33fb31c38078420@mail.gmail.com> On the link you sent, he states it was glued back together. He would probably need to stick some "patches" made of phenolic to it with epoxy glue. Or, maybe the PCB could be attached to the side(it sits on it) with lock tite or something removable like this. I was able to communicate to Scott directly to his e-mail address, even since he disappeared from Naktalk. Cheers, Antoine 2008/6/5 Mark Exstedt : > I'm not sure whether Scott is reading Naktalk emails these days. Perhaps if > he has yet to repair the board, you may send your emails of suggestions > directly to him. > I also think Scott may be busy traveling again, therefore I have yet to > receive the deck back. > >> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:51:51 -0400 >> From: ra.ah at rcn.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] I've contacted Scott Johnson >> >> Mark Exstedt wrote: >> > I have made postings a few months ago in regards to contacting Scott >> > Johnson concerning getting my ZX-7 cassette deck back. He did contact me >> > via email May 16th and mentioned he'll send it back. >> > >> > This is Scott's comments on my tape deck. Please also look up the link >> > to which he posted: >> > >> > Your ZX-7 was damaged during shipping that I didn't realize until >> > later. It was a small crack on around one of the mounting screws for >> > one of the circuit boards. I repaired the broken traces, but, have not >> > figured out how to secure the board well enough to survive shipping. I >> > have taken a picture and posted it on the web. >> > >> > http://www.nakremotes.com/nakremotes/Images/Mark_ZX-7/Mark_ZX-7.htm >> >> I take it the picture was taken before the >> repair? It seems to me the PCB could be >> glued back together using a bead of epoxy >> along the broken edge, so as to maintain >> the original dimensions. Then, the same >> screw would support the PCB, exactly as it >> did before the damage occurred. The epoxied >> area should actually be stronger than the >> original PCB and shipping stress would be >> of no concern. >> >> Did Scott post a picture of the PCB after >> repair? >> >> -- Ron >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ________________________________ > Instantly invite friends from Facebook and other social networks to join you > on Windows Live™ Messenger. Invite friends now! > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From Perryinva at aol.com Fri Jun 6 05:46:26 2008 From: Perryinva at aol.com (Perryinva at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 23:46:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Fred M. 's Final Comment about the 8096-D Capstan Belt Message-ID: I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have 2 RX-505's one with early and one late serial numbers. Both had original belts, one slipping pretty bad, the other good for about 30 mins. After a total R&R and replacement of all the belts plus the capstan belts with 8096D belts, they are perfect. Interestingly, the flip speed and motion on the older one is significantly slower and different the newer one, but there is absolutely no binding or drag, the motors spin freely and it works perfectly every time. And if you've ever actually changed a flip belt, you KNOW what a PITA it is, to get the seating and timing right. It must be exact to the tooth!. The sound from each is about identical (though the meters are a little off from each other) NO flutter in any piano or flute piece I can lay my hand on, and no wow from any source I can fing to listen to. I do not have access to a W&F machine, but it is my understanding that a well trained ear can hear the W&F that even a machine measures as low. I don't claim to be any kind of golden ear, but I have always heard W&/orF that others never seem to, whether tape or vinyl. Both machines are MUCH quieter mechanically from the drive motor sounds and vibration than with the original belts, and that is VERY important to me as well. The price is beyond right and the service has always been exceptional. **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Jun 6 15:52:55 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 06:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: New Ebay scores? In-Reply-To: <200806061003.m56A1Rt3026435@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <884110.644.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> As I understand it, that's not correct. One of the only things that a seller can now report, IS non-payment from a deadbeat buyer. Kevin Message: 1 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:26:00 -0400 From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Unfortunately, sellers can't give negative feedback to a buyer for not paying (or any other legitimate reason) either. This makes it open season for idiot buyers to give the sellers negative feedback for no good reason with absolutely no recourse. I'm not sure how this can possibly be considered an improvement... From orders at pennysconstruction.com Fri Jun 6 15:55:59 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:55:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FW: New Ebay scores? The weaknesses in the scoring system. References: Message-ID: <4DAE431FE4C445019444A6D5BEECDD80@number2> MessageWell, what do you have in mind? See, it doesn't bother me that much, because I leave feedback as soon as the package goes out. I don't like it at all, when the seller doesn't leave it for me when I buy. Also I try to read the feedback comments about a seller. I look for comments about the accuracy of the listing, and there for, I try to leave comments like that too. IMO feedback on a buyer is stupid anyway. How good could you rate a buyer? All there doing is paying for something. It's not like sellers, where you want to find out if they describe an item accurately. Who really looks at a buyers feedback? You don't often have the chance, as they bid in the last minute of an auction. I would like the ability to amend feedback, because I get screwed sometimes. I can't do anything because I've left feedback already. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham A Nelson To: ddino77 at bellsouth.net Cc: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 7:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] FW: New Ebay scores? The weaknesses in the scoring system. This is off topic but I thought it might interest some of the Nak list guys. If not, you know the subject and you can ignore it. It's also a bit long but I'm hypomanic at the moment! I beg to differ with your overall argument. In my experience, in bricks and mortar retail, there are plenty of customers who are unreasonable and quite happy to spread their "false" tales of "horrendous" service to anyone who will listen. I know it's not entirely relevant to eBay but Fred's experience with a customer who complained about something that Fred didn't even sell him is not that rare! I've seen it, too. But perhaps more common will be customers who expect Roll Royce service for Trabant money! Oh boy, they complain loudly! "I bought a $50 dining table and the wood grain of the legs don't match." It is known to "customer service" experts the world over that every unhappy customers will tell at least seven potential customers about the supplier who aggrieves them. Those tales are not necessarily true but the dissatisfied customer's perception of what happened is in error. Arising from this knowledge comes the old retail adage "the customer is always right, even when he's wrong." So, you pander to them even though that customer is then losing you money. (Right Fred? I was thinking of the guy who thought you sold him a belt that you didn't sell him ...) In bricks and mortar retail one such customer, one who IS wrong, can and will tell seven but on eBay he may tell at least seven thousand of people about their misconceived experience! And now , knowing there is no right of reply, I've little doubt a significant proportion of them will over-egg their position. Indeed, I KNOW they will over egg it and "put the boot in" anyway because they are angry and people who are angry usually over react. (Never mind hitting someone when a gun will do!) For example, the common complaint: "The SOB hasn't delivered ..." But the goods are late because of the Postal service...nevertheless, some dissatisfied customer are trigger happy. He accuses the seller of ripping him off, complains to eBay and gives negative feedback. That's just great! Especially when they are wrong and don't realise it! Why, I had one customer , South Korea who was unhappy because a Thorens TT I sold him hadn't arrived 5 days after the eBay auction was completed - and they were calendar days not working days!. For goodness sake, he was in S Korea and I'm in the UK!) I could have shipped it A BIT quicker but not that fast! (A bit because I didn't expect his payment to be received by my bank 6 hours after the transaction ... credits that fast just don't happen between seller and buyer even in the UK unless you pay cash, so I didn't anticipate his money quite so fast. So, I got the message, "My money has been in your account for 3 days and you have not despatched the turntable... Are you a crook. When you send my turntable!! I will report you to eBay!" he complained and threatened, and he did just that. (Similarly, people will often over egg their satisfaction because it's human nature to try to be nice! e.g. "Actually, the product wasn't that good but he was such a nice guy to deal with I'll say I am satisfied." ) But the seller cannot answer unfair criticism. Plus, the buyer doesn't see the REAL service delivery behind the scores anyway. And besides the real customer service research experts agree that conventional but crude satisfaction scores, like those being used on eBay, produce more extreme results than is actually the case . There are OTHER more sophisticated methods of measuring satisfaction that are more accurate. What this crude satisfaction scale does is encourage people who may actually be just "satisfied" to be more likely to say they are "very satisfied", while those who are "dissatisfied" will tend to be polarised as well . A more sophisticated scale usually show s the largest proportion of customers are actually floating around the middle! Even 99% customer service marketers don't understand this so it comes as no surprise that Joe Soap/John Doe also interprets the same results literally when they ought not be . They don't understand data from this kind of satisfaction scale is inherently inaccuracy. For example, if you see 99% satisfaction from the crude scale it's quite likely the more sophisticated method may show only only 50% were satisfied, 5% were very satisfied, maybe 8% were dissatisfied, and the rest were ambivalent ! Moreover, a handful of VERY dissatisfied scores will drag down the average ... and as I have mentioned before, those very dissatisfied scores may be plain wrong or unfair in the extreme of their marks. In other words, this kind of scale that eBay are using, and the reporting of the statistics is unfair to sellers and it doesn't help buyers too well, either ! So, why won't eBay use a more sophisticated method of evaluating buyer (and seller) satisfaction? I don't know - you'd have to ask them, but it's quite possible give survey technology on the internet, much more easy than it is on a paper survey. So, what's the solution? Personally, I'd like to see eBay allow scores on both sides, AND plenty of space for potential buyers and sellers to see the justifications, defend their scores and answer the replies. This would aid both sides to spot who are the bad sellers AND the "compulsive litigant" buyers that crawl around eBay. ( Remember, the USA probably has the highest rate of "compulsive litigants" in the World - no where else are there more people who are prepared to "sue" over the slightest thing. It's getting that way in the UK but at least we don't have "ambulance chasers" ... yet. These people complain if you so much as sneeze and demand compensation for a bit of spittle on the surface. They are unreasonable, they complain unfairly and they are growing in number and populating eBay!!! ) In short, I think you are much too kind about buyers. I believe I have seen plenty of evidence to show me that there are at least as many unreasonable buyers as there are bad sellers. In all my trading on eBay, I've I've bought nigh on 150 , and sold about 10-20 items , but I have also been ripped off by only one seller, and I've also been ripped off by one buyer. In fact, personal experience aside, as a researcher I think what I have enough evidence to shows me there are many more unreasonable buyers than sellers. Regards Gra' -----Original Message----- From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net [mailto:ddino77 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:06 AM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? I could not disagree more. Yes. I'm sure there are jerks who try unscrupulous schemes on both sides. However, do 90% of purchases online or off line (brick-n-mortar) involve feedback from merchants about experiences with every client? If a store owner dislikes the buyers attitude or behavior, he is welcome to invite the person to leave the shop. Does Yahoo et al run across the occasional dead beat? Therefore it seems to me, that a seller can reject or block an individual bidder if he has such reservations. Right? Listen, why offer a used component online if you cannot tolerate the risk of running across Mr Hyde if all you want to deal with is Mr. Jekyll? I look for a sellers' feedback trends and customer relations attitude before hitting the completion key. Trends are far more reliable an indicator than one or two flames from the Mr Hydes. 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URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Fri Jun 6 23:39:32 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:39:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS and Final Statement "AGAIN" In-Reply-To: <060520081554.24956.48480C1D0005A6670000617C22216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> References: <060520081554.24956.48480C1D0005A6670000617C22216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <4849AE94.3090001@marrscommunications.com> ( For the sake of members that are sick of hearing about this subject, please send any responses to: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com ) Hello Tom, Jeff, ddino77, and all Naktalk Members, In Response to questions ask, or statements made. I placed the 2nd order for the "D" after my purchase of the T-100, and saw for myself the belt would meet specifications. I made a previous post about this, listing the machines used in the test. . Tom, I did sent you a 8096-D for testing! You were having trouble with your T-100 and could not get accurate readings, even with a Original 8096C remember? That is the last I heard from you for several weeks. I then requested the return of the 8096C "new old stock belts" I purchased from ESL at $55.00 each, and included in the test "batch" for a comparison! Included in the "batch" was: 1 Original 8096C from ESL, 1 of 8096C from Sofh_it, ( which is also suppose to be "Original" ), 1 of my standard capstan belts used in my kits for the Classic Transport, and a couple of miscellaneous belts I had also purchased. I thought I furnished you with EVERYTHING anyone would need to compare the belts, in ANY form or fashion? I assumed you never corrected the problem with your T-100 OR, did not want to be the bearer of bad news ? Since I did not receive any concrete results from you , I went "in the hunt" for a T-100. About this time, Andy was kind enough to post his findings about the 8096-D, for which, he received flack! Why ? He only volunteered his test results, and did nothing wrong! This sure raised my suspicions about what was REALLY going on. That is a whole new subject. As to the personal attacks you mentioned, I have received no personal attacks from anyone in Naktalk, __ except One (1) person, BUT had received personal attacks from him prior to joining the group. The attacks were about what I charge for shipping on my kits, which was none of his business to begin with. When I was attacked by this One (1) person, some of my Responses were NEVER ALLOWED to post on Naktalk! In addition, I received NO defense from any of the other members, telling this person to back off, even though everyone was aware I was in the process of having the "D" produced? It just went on and on and on, which put me in defense mode. That is when I made the decision to move FORWARD and have the "D" manufactured without any support information. It appeared to me, I was not going to receive any support, even though this might be our LAST OPPORTUNITY to have a NEW 8096C manufactured. Confused the hell out of me? Now that the 8096-D is here, EVERYONE has something to say about it. This is FINE, at least I am receiving opinions. ( positive, negative, middle of the road). The bottom line here is, EVERYONE had an opportunity to help me with manufacturing decisions, but no one did? Now that I have already committed to the "D", spent the money and have the belts "in hand", everyone has an opinion about it, Which again is FINE. I have no hard feelings towards anyone in the group ___ well maybe One (1). Jeff, I can not explain why everyone but me, has what is suppose to be, a Genuine Original 8096C that measures 9.2" ? All I have to work with are the "Originals" I purchased from ESL. My last post of measurements were taken using the PRB belt measuring tool. Has PRB been providing their customers, for years, with a tool that is not accurate? I doubt it. How is everyone else making their measurements? I would think the tool would be The most accurate method. The only draw back is not having a way to measure the "wall" or thickness. I use a micrometer. As I stated in a previous post, somewhere "out there" are thousands of Nakamichi OCO 8096C belts with the exact dimensions of my 8096-D. My "D" was sold to Nakamichi as the 8096C and it met THEIR specifications. What else can I say on that subject. ddino77, I did not send Jeff G. a 8096-D for testing, for several reasons. 1. Since the only feedback I had received up to that point was mixed, I am a little "gun shy" as to who I wanted testing the belt. 2. When Jeff G., has both the Original 8096C and a generic replacement that works, why would he be interested in the 8096-D ? I can't think of any reason except to defend "his position" in the belt world, which is FINE. I just did not want it to be at MY expense. I have NO REASON not to trust Jeff. He seems to be a stand up person. If I could afford it, would let him restore one of my machines. I am just presently in the " extra cautious " Mode. I have absolutely nothing to hide. Final statement " Again " In closing, The 8096-D is a good belt. It works on the CR-3A , and It works on the "Classic Transport ", with excellent measurements from everything I have been told, and seen. Some people say it is too long and say it is not a 8096C, because of this. I personally do NOT have, or EVER had, an Original 8096C that measures 9.2"? I have not been able to PURCHASE a 8096C that measures 9.2". Why is that ? In addition, what difference does it make if it is longer, as long as the fit is good, and the wow/flutter measurements are excellent, that should be all anyone would want. I would much rather have a belt that is longer, rather than shorter. Now that we have some discussion on the subject of a "True 8096C ", I would like to repeat a statement I made in a previous post. If the group as a Whole, can agree on what is wanted in a Genuine 8096C REPLACEMENT, furnishing input about dimensions preference, with line, without line, thinner, thicker, with arrow, without arrow, green in color, purple in color, whatever, and the opinions of EVERYONE is the Majority, and I can show a return on investment in a reasonable amount of time, I WILL HAVE THAT BELT MANUFACTURED and OFFER IT FOR A REASONABLE PRICE. BUT, members of Naktalk need to TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT. That is all I ask. Please keep in mind, there is one ( 1 ) member, that would find fault with ANY belt, he received from me. His input does NOT count. Thanks to everyone, Fred M. ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: > I just spoke to Jeff G. and he extended the same offer to test the > 8096D but was ignored. > > -------------- Original message from Tom Brucker > : -------------- > > Fred, > > I am glad you have sold enough 8096D belts to reorder from Japan. > I would urge you as a friend to not take these belt discussions as > a personal attack. We in the world of Nak have a limited supply of > a critical part, and the price charged for that part reflects its > scarcity. We are lucky to have an involved group willing to test > various belts under different conditions, and a forum to share for > everyone's benefit. I have posted my opinion about the identity > of your 8096D belt. A group of us are collecting independent tests > of several belts which we will post once we collect them all. > > I spoke with you privately before the 8096D belt arrived in > Texas offering to test a sample before you made a bulk purchase. > Unfortunately, for reasons unknown to me, you did not accept my > offer. The 8096D belt is not the same belt as the 8096C, but it > is much better than the original Marrs classic belt. IF we as a > community can deliver what we believe to be the best dimensions, > the correct tolerances, and whatever other details you need to > have a "perfect" 8096C clone would you be willing to work with us? > > Fred, you have the "machinery" to market and distribute mass > quantities of belts. You insist of good quality and fair dealings. > I don't think any other supplier exists that would do a better > job. I urge you to let NakTalk's techs verify the quality of the > real 8096K (klone , get it?) as we work together to bring an > affordable no-compromise belt to Nak world. > > > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marrs Communications > Sent: Jun 4, 2008 12:16 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS > > Hi Kannan, > > Point taken. Here is the problem, somewhere "out there" are > thousands of Nakamichi 8096C belts with the same dimensions > as mine. Right, Wrong or indifferent, my belt was sold to > Nakamichi under the contract between the two. As mentioned in > a previous post, Every belt I purchased that was suppose to be > an "Original Nakamichi" 8096C, had different dimensions? I > know Steven Sank from way back, 25 years ago? If I could get > ! an "Ori ginal" from him, I could feel comfortable about it > being a REAL "Original" 8096C. I have NO reason NOT to > believe ANYONE, about their "Original C's", EXCEPT the > dimension inconsistency's? I could then have that very belt > manufactured IDENTICALLY. But, I have not found to the day, > what I am convinced to be a honest to God original, based on > the "C"'s I have measured, with absolutely NO consistency. > Keeping this in mind, Why are there so many so called > "Original" 8096C's "out there" with different dimensions ? > ( I posted my measurements, using a PRB belt measuring tool, > previously ). > > Bottom line, once everyone is in agreement of just what the > dimensions of a "Original" 8096C is, I CAN have that belt > manufactured Identically, to those dimensions, with > markings, without markings, shorter, longer, wider, > whatever. Up to this point, I do not have anything! to wor k > with, except the word of my factory and my manufacturing > specifications agreement with them. What very little input I > have received up to this point has been criticism, and have > produced a 8096 that IS "Original" to the best of my knowledge. > > Fred M. > > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > >> Before putting any marking on this belt, i feel you should >> not advertise this as exact equivalent in light of many >> people seeing apparent length mismatch between original belt >> and yours. Also try to find out the real measurement as I am >> yet to measure your belts against my own stock of 8096C >> bought from Stephen Sank ( who kept enough of these belts >> from nak spare parts) /old Nakamichi spare parts >> department as well as latest batch from nak dealer. Generally >> belt dimension is as important as the constituent. Your belt >> seems to match CR3 belt than 8096C. I am not trying >> discourage you but this is the correct thing to do in light >> of many people observing the dimensional match to CR3 belt >> than 8096C >> >> >> >> I am not seeing anything wrong with your assumptions and >> trials so far but try to get the dimesions also corrected ( >> tried with Nak classic mechanism for acceptability) before >> taking efforts to add the arrow. >> >> >> >> kannan >> >> --- On Mon, 6/2/08, Marrs Communications >> wrote: >> >> From: Marrs Communications >> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 4:29 PM >> >> Hey, >> >> Just a reminder of what my factory guy said, for what >> it's worth >> . >> 9. I did NOT have the arrow placed on my 8096-D because >> the factory told me it was NOT worth the time and effort. >> When testing for Quality Control they never found over: >> +/- 0.01 to 0.02% difference in measurement due to >> direction of travel ! I invite everyone to test my "D" >> in both directions, but I doubt you will see additional >> improvement over the numbers above. >> >> 10. I just received my 2nd shipment of 8096-D's and did >> NOT have the line across the face installed for the same >> reasons above, in addition to cost savings. >> >> I can have the arrow and line installed on the next order >> IF everyone prefers that, but I am convinced it is a >> waste based on the factories comments. Fred M >> >> shanti ramachandran wrote: >> >>> Ed, >>> >>> Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and >>> asked if it mattered how the arrow was oriented while >>> replacing the belt, and was promptly told, to position >>> it in the direction of motion for better w/f numbers. I >>> listened and obeyed! >>> >>> May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all that we >>> know.. and arrowed them according to numbers on w/f/. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Ram >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Edward Noyes wrote: >>> >>> Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the >>> actual Nak 8096 belts >>> years ago when I announced on the list that "last >>> call" for belts had >>> been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually >>> spoke about the fact >>> that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any >>> markings on them. I don't >>> know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he >>> makes a point of >>> testing and marking them himself (which is entirely >>> possible). As >>> received from Nakamichi, these belts have no >>> markings though, >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> shanti ramachandran wrote: >>> >>> > Tom and others, >>> > >>> > ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating >>> direction of motion, so >>> > the belt could be installed with the right >>> orientation to obtain >>> > perfect w/f numbers. >>> > >>> > One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I >>> used for my ZX9 >>> > recently had a red! arrow, rather than a white >>> arrow that we all know >>> > in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in >>> my ZX9 so >>> > dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! >>> > >>> > Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. >>> If Fred's belts are >>> > good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others >>> should supplement us >>> > Nak heads with data to affirm this. >>> > >>> > Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun >>> intended!) and >>> > cherish our wonderful machines. >>> > >>> > Have a great weekend. >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > Ram >>> > >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Na ktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Jun 7 00:47:47 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 17:47:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FW: New Ebay scores? The weaknesses in the scoring system. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4849BE93.10606@marrscommunications.com> Hi Graham, You hit the nail, right dead center on the head. If fact, I will go as far to say, over 50% of buyers try to figure "Angles" to get something for nothing. It's not because they don't have the money, It's a challenge to see if they can pull one over on you. In the long run, eBay will regret the last several "improvements" they made. Have you noticed, in the last 2 months the "new today" listings are about 1/2 in quantity of what they use to be? Sellers are fed up. Their fees are ridiculous. If using both eBay and PayPal, their combined fees are 15 to 20% of your sales in dollars. $19.95 sale nets you $16.95 to $15.96, excluding freight, but not including cost of goods and the sellers freight to him. The last 2 months my eBay invoice have been $400.00 each month, NOT including the PayPal fees. And now PayPal wants to hold payment on the Seller, until the Buyer receives the item and LEAVES POSITIVE FEEDBACK. Paypal is on Drugs. I am thinking about doing sales through my web site only. Fred M. Graham A Nelson wrote: > This is off topic but I thought it might interest some of the Nak list > guys. If not, you know the subject and you can ignore it. It's also > a bit long but I'm hypomanic at the moment! > > I beg to differ with your overall argument. In my experience, in > bricks and mortar retail, there are plenty of customers who are > unreasonable and quite happy to spread their "false" tales of > "horrendous" service to anyone who will listen. I know it's not > entirely relevant to eBay but Fred's experience with a customer who > complained about something that Fred didn't even sell him is not that > rare! I've seen it, too. But perhaps more common will be customers > who expect Roll Royce service for Trabant money! Oh boy, they > complain loudly! "I bought a $50 dining table and the wood grain of > the legs don't match." > > It is known to "customer service" experts the world over that every > unhappy customers will tell at least seven potential customers about > the supplier who aggrieves them. Those tales are not necessarily true > but the dissatisfied customer's perception of what happened is in error. > > Arising from this knowledge comes the old retail adage "the customer > is always right, even when he's wrong." So, you pander to them even > though that customer is then losing you money. (Right Fred? I was > thinking of the guy who thought you sold him a belt that you didn't > sell him ...) In bricks and mortar retail one such customer, one who > IS wrong, can and will tell seven but on eBay he may tell at least > seven thousand of people about their misconceived experience! > And now , knowing there is no right of reply, I've little doubt a > significant proportion of them will over-egg their position. Indeed, > I KNOW they will over egg it and "put the boot in" anyway because they > are angry and people who are angry usually over react. (Never > mind hitting someone when a gun will do!) > > For example, the common complaint: "The SOB hasn't delivered ..." But > the goods are late because of the Postal > service...nevertheless, some dissatisfied customer are trigger > happy. He accuses the seller of ripping him off, complains to eBay > and gives negative feedback. That's just great! Especially when they > are wrong and don't realise it! Why, I had one customer , South > Korea who was unhappy because a Thorens TT I sold him hadn't arrived 5 > days after the eBay auction was completed - and they were calendar > days not working days!. For goodness sake, he was in S Korea and I'm > in the UK!) I could have shipped it A BIT quicker but not that > fast! (A bit because I didn't expect his payment to be received by my > bank 6 hours after the transaction ... credits that fast just don't > happen between seller and buyer even in the UK unless you pay cash, so > I didn't anticipate his money quite so fast. So, I got the > message, "My money has been in your account for 3 days and you have > not despatched the turntable... Are you a crook. When you send my > turntable!! I will report you to eBay!" he complained and > threatened, and he did just that. > > (Similarly, people will often over egg their satisfaction because > it's human nature to try to be nice! e.g. "Actually, the product > wasn't that good but he was such a nice guy to deal with I'll say I am > satisfied." ) > > But the seller cannot answer unfair criticism. Plus, the buyer > doesn't see the REAL service delivery behind the scores anyway. > > And besides the real customer service research experts agree > that conventional but crude satisfaction scores, like those being > used on eBay, produce more extreme results than is actually the > case . There are OTHER more sophisticated methods of measuring > satisfaction that are more accurate. What this crude satisfaction > scale does is encourage people who may actually be just "satisfied" > to be more likely to say they are "very satisfied", while those who > are "dissatisfied" will tend to be polarised as well . A more > sophisticated scale usually show s the largest proportion of > customers are actually floating around the middle! > > Even 99% customer service marketers don't understand this so it comes > as no surprise that Joe Soap/John Doe also interprets the same > results literally when they ought not be . They don't understand > data from this kind of satisfaction scale is inherently inaccuracy. > For example, if you see 99% satisfaction from the crude scale it's > quite likely the more sophisticated method may show only only 50% were > satisfied, 5% were very satisfied, maybe 8% were dissatisfied, and > the rest were ambivalent ! Moreover, a handful of VERY dissatisfied > scores will drag down the average ... and as I have mentioned before, > those very dissatisfied scores may be plain wrong or unfair in the > extreme of their marks. > > In other words, this kind of scale that eBay are using, and the > reporting of the statistics is unfair to sellers and it doesn't help > buyers too well, either ! > > So, why won't eBay use a more sophisticated method of evaluating > buyer (and seller) satisfaction? I don't know - you'd have to ask > them, but it's quite possible give survey technology on the internet, > much more easy than it is on a paper survey. > > So, what's the solution? Personally, I'd like to see eBay allow > scores on both sides, AND plenty of space for potential buyers and > sellers to see the justifications, defend their scores and answer the > replies. This would aid both sides to spot who are the bad sellers > AND the "compulsive litigant" buyers that crawl around > eBay. ( Remember, the USA probably has the highest rate of > "compulsive litigants" in the World - no where else are there more > people who are prepared to "sue" over the slightest thing. It's > getting that way in the UK but at least we don't have "ambulance > chasers" ... yet. These people complain if you so much as sneeze and > demand compensation for a bit of spittle on the surface. They are > unreasonable, they complain unfairly and they are growing in number > and populating eBay!!! ) > > In short, I think you are much too kind about buyers. I believe I > have seen plenty of evidence to show me that there are at least as > many unreasonable buyers as there are bad sellers. In all my trading > on eBay, I've I've bought nigh on 150 , and sold about 10-20 items , > but I have also been ripped off by only one seller, and I've also been > ripped off by one buyer. In fact, personal experience aside, as a > researcher I think what I have enough evidence to shows me there are > many more unreasonable buyers than sellers. > > Regards > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net [mailto:ddino77 at bellsouth.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:06 AM > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? > > I could not disagree more. Yes. I'm sure there are jerks who try > unscrupulous schemes on both sides. However, do 90% of purchases > online or off line (brick-n-mortar) involve feedback from > merchants about > experiences with every client? If a store owner > dislikes the buyers attitude or behavior, he is welcome to invite > the person to leave the shop. Does Yahoo et al run across the > occasional dead beat? Therefore it seems to me, that a seller can > reject or block an individual bidder if he has such reservations. > Right? Listen, why offer a used component online if you cannot > tolerate the risk of running across Mr Hyde if all you want to > deal with is Mr. Jekyll? I look for a sellers' feedback trends > and customer relations attitude before hitting the completion > key. Trends are far more reliable an indicator than one or two > flames from the Mr Hydes. And Whoa! a seller who retaliates, > those cats can keep their wares... > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Jun 7 13:05:50 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:05:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Why keeping marring Marr?? In-Reply-To: <4849AE94.3090001@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <1717F16FCB22470691F32A0EF0994153@GrahamNPC> Guys, I am not addressing everyone here. I'm getting sick of all the "let's shoot at Fred and in public..." stuff. I have no axe to grind but some of you will think I am not technically qualified in these matters to make any point about it all anyway. However, as I stand on the sidelines all I see is a guy trying to make a handful, not fist full, of $s, by trying to do it to satisfy a need in a VERY niche and finite market. Nothing wrong with that - it's business but then, this isn't big business - it's minnows in a sea of sharks. To do that he needs to get the product right. We have a vested interested in seeing that he DOES get it right. So, PUBLIC sniping does no good for Fred and his motivation to even bother, and it sure as Hell does no good to us, not only as a Nak community but also as Nak consumers! Fred knows he can't sell the belts if they are not what the customers want. It's a basic rule of business retailing: If you don't offer what punters want they won't buy. If they do buy and the product falls short, they won't buy them again AND they'll tell all their mates the product is cr#p. He's not daft, he knows that; so, it's not in Fred's interest to create a cr#p belt. Simple business economics, never mind ethics. So, I appeal to all who can, tell him, show him, what you want. He will listen because he must listen if he is going to create something you'd want to buy, something you won't slam into the floor and tell your mates it's cr#p. Otherwise, what's the point of spending dosh in making something that no one will buy?? So, if you think he's dug in a hole, help him out, not throw soil on top. If he's fallen down on some aspect of the product or service, don't kick him while he's down - show him what's wrong. And for G#ds sake, try to be more discrete if what you have to say is negative, so he has a chance to get it right without a spotlight of public gaze because it is self-evidently, Fred is still developing the belts. It will do no good for any of us if we shoot down his enterprise even before it's got off the runway! He needs more feedback. Nothing wrong with saying "Fred, this is rubbish because ..." But give the guy a chance to get it right before you tell the whole damned World. Discretion is good because a) it serves no purpose slamming him or his developing product in public and b) these negative vibes don't make the Nak group a happy community nor one that encourages people to stay in it. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marrs Communications Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS and Final Statement "AGAIN" Importance: High ( For the sake of members that are sick of hearing about this subject, please send any responses to: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com ) Hello Tom, Jeff, ddino77, and all Naktalk Members, In Response to questions ask, or statements made. I placed the 2nd order for the "D" after my purchase of the T-100, and saw for myself the belt would meet specifications. I made a previous post about this, listing the machines used in the test. . Tom, I Thanks to everyone, Fred M. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 02:55:03 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:55:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: New Ebay scores? The weaknesses in the scoring system. In-Reply-To: <94153502563C46F3AE6A3B8585E6069B@GrahamNPC> References: <94153502563C46F3AE6A3B8585E6069B@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: MessageThe sorts of things one buys (and sells) can most definitely be a huge factor in how well things work out. Buying more complex things that can be prone to problems (such as a 20+ year old Nak tape deck with lots of mechanical things that can go wrong) versus buying something more durable (such as a book) makes all the difference in the world. Even if one is really trying hard to be honest, it's a lot easier to screw up in trying to give an accurate description of the tape deck than a book. For the tape deck there is both cosmetic condition AND operational condition to worry about. A book just has cosmetic condition to worry about - and even that isn't overly important unless it's older / collectible - if you're just buying a generic book to read, the cosmetic condition isn't overly important. There's also the issue of packaging for shipping - a lot more can go wrong here with a tape deck than with a book. For a book, putting it into a plastic bag (to keep it dry, just in case) and boxing it up is about all that needs to be done, but for the tape deck you have to be very careful to have plenty of padding to avoid shipping damage. I think the long winded story that follows is a prime example of why the new feedback system is worse than it was: When there is a problem a good resolution often starts with how the buyer approaches the problem. I sold a Linksys network printer server several months ago that I no longer needed because I had replaced my ancient printer with one that had a built in network port. I hadn't used the item for about 6 months prior to selling it as I had purchased the new printer and took a while to get around to selling it. I didn't think to test it at the time I listed it - I figured it was working fine when I unplugged it and it hadn't been exposed to any extremes (hot or cold). I shipped it the day after I received payment and the buyer was complaining before then that I wasn't shipping fast enough (I've always felt that shipping within 24 hours of receiving payment is more than one can reasonably expect and I always provide tracking numbers once the item has shipped), so I knew I had a live one so I withheld feedback at that point (I usually leave feedback once I have shipped the item). After the guy received it, he fired off an irate email claiming that the print server wasn't working (I still doubt it) and that I was committing fraud selling bad goods, etc. He threatened to sue me, to contact my employer, and to get local authorities involved - all in his FIRST email about the problem. He also claimed he had called Linksys and they supposedly claimed via some sort of diagnosis over the phone that the print server had overheated twice during a time period where it could not possibly have overheated as the thing hadn't even been plugged in during the times he was claiming (which is why I seriously doubt there was actually something wrong). I was absolutely beside myself at the tone of his email and sent him back a very pointed email indicating that he was completely out of line in his tone and had a responsibility to at least give me a chance to resolve the problem (real or otherwise) before making all sort of threats. It was a small transaction, so I just gave him a full refund (including his shipping costs) and told him to throw the item away. At least I got positive feedback from the guy and he somewhat apologized for his initial email (and yes, he's on my blocked bidder list now). I'm sure he's now enjoying a free print server and thinking he was real clever dealing with a stupid seller. I was very tempted to call his bluff and have him return it to me at my expense so I could confirm that it actually was just fine, but I just didn't want to lose any more money - if I got it back and relisted it I would have lost enough on round trip shipping that I wouldn't have made any money anyway. With the new feedback system, I could easily see a jerk like this guy leaving negative feedback after getting his money back - after all, he's got nothing to lose. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham A Nelson To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:38 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: New Ebay scores? The weaknesses in the scoring system. As an aside, in comparing notes with Jeff, where I have had very few problems buying (and selling ) in eBay, while he's had a belly full, we noted that there is a big difference between what he and I do - i.e. he buys Nak things whereas I have only ever bought one Nak item on eBay, and the rest have been an assortment of other things. So, I am left wondering if the problem of cheats is peculiar with premium products, not least Nakamichi hi fi... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 03:20:33 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 21:20:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: New Ebay scores? In-Reply-To: <884110.644.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <884110.644.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99B01504002B4A1C98599BBECD0BD40F@geoffprimary> I stand by my statement - sellers can no longer leave negative FEEDBACK for the buyer. The seller can still file a non-paying bidder complaint with ebay (which they have always been able to do), but that's not the same as leaving negative feedback. The seller can leave "positive" feedback for the buyer and same something negative in the comment, but that doesn't amount to much as most people don't have the time to read through every comment. The new rules can be found here: http://pages.ebay.com/services/forum/new.html What changes are being made to the eBay Feedback system? The main changes to the system being introduced in May: 1. Beginning in February 2008, we enabled buyers and sellers to earn up to one Feedback per week from the same trading partner. In May we will provide credit for similar repeat transactions going back to when the system was introduced in 1996. This change will encourage repeat transactions and reward good service. 2. In May, sellers will no longer be able to leave negative or neutral Feedback for buyers. 3. Removal of negative and neutral Feedback left by members who are suspended or who fail to respond to the Unpaid Item (UPI) Process. 4. Positive Feedback percentage will be based on the past 12 months of Feedback, rather than lifetime, since it is most indicative of the seller's recent performance. 5. Restrictions on when Feedback can be left: - Buyers must wait seven days before leaving negative or neutral Feedback for active PowerSellers who have been registered for at least 12 months. - Members must leave Feedback within 60 days of the transaction closing (today members have up to 90 days). 6. Removal of Mutual Feedback Withdrawal. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Fetner" To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: New Ebay scores? > As I understand it, that's not correct. One of the > only things that a seller can now report, IS > non-payment from a deadbeat buyer. > > From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" > > Unfortunately, sellers can't give negative feedback to > a buyer for not paying (or any other legitimate reason) > either. This makes it open season for idiot buyers to > give the sellers negative feedback for no good > reason with absolutely no recourse. I'm not sure how > this can possibly be considered an improvement... From greynlds at gmail.com Sat Jun 7 03:24:06 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 21:24:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FW: New Ebay scores? The weaknesses in the scoringsystem. In-Reply-To: <4849BE93.10606@marrscommunications.com> References: <4849BE93.10606@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: Where did you hear that last item about PayPal withholding the money until positive feedback is received? If that's the case, I will no longer accept PayPal as it's far too big a risk as a seller. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ----- Original Message ----- From: Marrs Communications To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: New Ebay scores? The weaknesses in the scoringsystem. Hi Graham, You hit the nail, right dead center on the head. If fact, I will go as far to say, over 50% of buyers try to figure "Angles" to get something for nothing. It's not because they don't have the money, It's a challenge to see if they can pull one over on you. In the long run, eBay will regret the last several "improvements" they made. Have you noticed, in the last 2 months the "new today" listings are about 1/2 in quantity of what they use to be? Sellers are fed up. Their fees are ridiculous. If using both eBay and PayPal, their combined fees are 15 to 20% of your sales in dollars. $19.95 sale nets you $16.95 to $15.96, excluding freight, but not including cost of goods and the sellers freight to him. The last 2 months my eBay invoice have been $400.00 each month, NOT including the PayPal fees. And now PayPal wants to hold payment on the Seller, until the Buyer receives the item and LEAVES POSITIVE FEEDBACK. Paypal is on Drugs. I am thinking about doing sales through my web site only. Fred M. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 7 04:26:55 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:26:55 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] FW: New Ebay scores? The weaknesses in the scoring system. In-Reply-To: <4849BE93.10606@marrscommunications.com> References: <4849BE93.10606@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <060720080226.2455.4849F1ED00013BD00000099722230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Persons who say that either buyers or sellers are more guilty of unethical behavior are either deluding themselves or are simply biased because they are unfortunate enough to have being victimized. The sellers have had the upper hand by receiving payment first and establishing their auction criteria rules. Now it seems that Paypal has been receiving increased complaints and processing so many refunds that they are striking back and letting the sellers feel some of that heat by making some tweaks. Raising fees, and holding payment till the transaction is processed seem to be the result. Is it fair? I don't know. Only time will tell -------------- Original message from Marrs Communications : -------------- Hi Graham, You hit the nail, right dead center on the head. If fact, I will go as far to say, over 50% of buyers try to figure "Angles" to get something for nothing. It's not because they don't have the money, It's a challenge to see if they can pull one over on you. In the long run, eBay will regret the last several "improvements" they made. Have you noticed, in the last 2 months the "new today" listings are about 1/2 in quantity of what they use to be? Sellers are fed up. Their fees are ridiculous. If using both eBay and PayPal, their combined fees are 15 to 20% of your sales in dollars. $19.95 sale nets you $16.95 to $15.96, excluding freight, but not including cost of goods and the sellers freight to him. The last 2 months my eBay invoice have been $400.00 each month, NOT including the PayPal fees. And now PayPal wants to hold payment on the Seller, until the Buyer receives the item and LEAVES POSITIVE FEEDBACK. Paypal is on Drugs. I am thinking about doing sales through my web si te only. Fred M. Graham A Nelson wrote: This is off topic but I thought it might interest some of the Nak list guys. If not, you know the subject and you can ignore it. It's also a bit long but I'm hypomanic at the moment! I beg to differ with your overall argument. In my experience, in bricks and mortar retail, there are plenty of customers who are unreasonable and quite happy to spread their "false" tales of "horrendous" service to anyone who will listen. I know it's not entirely relevant to eBay but Fred's experience with a customer who complained about something that Fred didn't even sell him is not that rare! I've seen it, too. But perhaps more common will be customers who expect Roll Royce service for Trabant money! Oh boy, they complain loudly! "I bought a $50 dining table and the wood grain of the legs don't match." It is known to "customer service" experts the world over that every unhappy customers will tell at least seven potential customers about the supplier who aggrieves them. Those tales are not necessarily true but the dissatisfied customer's perception of what happened is in error. Arising from this knowledge comes the old retail adage "the customer is always right, even when he's wrong." So, you pander to them even though that customer is then losing you money. (Right Fred? I was thinking of the guy who thought you sold him a belt that you didn't sell him ...) In bricks and mortar retail one such customer, one who IS wrong, can and will tell seven but on eBay he may tell at least seven thousand of people about their misconceived experience! And now , knowing there is no right of reply, I've little doubt a significant proportion of them will over-egg their position. Indeed, I KNOW they will over egg it and "put the boot in" anyway because they are angry and people who are angry usually over react. (Never mind hitting someone when a gun will do!) For example, the common complaint: "The SOB hasn't delivered ..." But the goods are late because of the Postal service...nevertheless, some dissatisfied customer are trigger happy. He accuses the seller of ripping him off, complains to eBay and gives negative feedback. That's just great! Especially when they are wrong and don't realise it! Why, I had one customer , South Korea who was unhappy because a Thorens TT I sold him hadn't arrived 5 days after the eBay auction was completed - and they were calendar days not working days!. For goodness sake, he was in S Korea and I'm in the UK!) I could have shipped it A BIT quicker but not that fast! (A bit because I didn't expect his payment to be received by my bank 6 hours after the transaction ... credits that fast just don't happen between seller and buyer even in the UK unless you pay cash, so I didn't anticipate his money quite so fast. So, I got the message, "My money has been in your account for 3 days and you have not despatched the turntable... Are you a crook. When you send my turntable!! I will report you to eBay!" he complained and threatened, and he did just that. (Similarly, people will often over egg their satisfaction because it's human nature to try to be nice! e.g. "Actually, the product wasn't that good but he was such a nice guy to deal with I'll say I am satisfied." ) But the seller cannot answer unfair criticism. Plus, the buyer doesn't see the REAL service delivery behind the scores anyway. And besides the real customer service research experts agree that conventional but crude satisfaction scores, like those being used on eBay, produce more extreme results than is actually the case . There are OTHER more sophisticated methods of measuring satisfaction that are more accurate. What this crude satisfaction scale does is encourage people who may actually be just "satisfied" to be more likely to say they are "very satisfied", while those who are "dissatisfied" will tend to be polarised as well . A more sophisticated scale usually show s the largest proportion of customers are actually floating around the middle! Even 99% customer service marketers don't understand this so it comes as no surprise that Joe Soap/John Doe also interprets the same results literally when they ought not be . They don't understand data from this kind of satisfaction scale is inherently inaccuracy. For example, if you see 99% satisfaction from the crude scale it's quite likely the more sophisticated method may show only only 50% were satisfied, 5% were very satisfied, maybe 8% were dissatisfied, and the rest were ambivalent ! Moreover, a handful of VERY dissatisfied scores will drag down the average ... and as I have mentioned before, those very dissatisfied scores may be plain wrong or unfair in the extreme of their marks. In other words, this kind of scale that eBay are using, and the reporting of the statistics is unfair to sellers and it doesn't help buyers too well, either ! So, why won't eBay use a more sophisticated method of evaluating buyer (and seller) satisfaction? I don't know - you'd have to ask them, but it's quite possible give survey technology on the internet, much more easy than it is on a paper survey. So, what's the solution? Personally, I'd like to see eBay allow scores on both sides, AND plenty of space for potential buyers and sellers to see the justifications, defend their scores and answer the replies. This would aid both sides to spot who are the bad sellers AND the "compulsive litigant" buyers that crawl around eBay. ( Remember, the USA probably has the highest rate of "compulsive litigants" in the World - no where else are there more people who are prepared to "sue" over the slightest thing. It's getting that way in the UK but at least we don't have "ambulance chasers" ... yet. These people complain if you so much as sneeze and demand compensation for a bit of spittle on the surface. They are unreasonable, they complain unfairly and they are growing in number and populating eBay!!! ) In short, I think you are much too kind about buyers. I believe I have seen plenty of evidence to show me that there are at least as many unreasonable buyers as there are bad sellers. In all my trading on eBay, I've I've bought nigh on 150 , and sold about 10-20 items , but I have also been ripped off by only one seller, and I've also been ripped off by one buyer. In fact, personal experience aside, as a researcher I think what I have enough evidence to shows me there are many more unreasonable buyers than sellers. Regards Gra' -----Original Message----- From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net [mailto:ddino77 at bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:06 AM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? I could not disagree more. Yes. I'm sure there are jerks who try unscrupulous schemes on both sides. However, do 90% of purchases online or off line (brick-n-mortar) involve feedback from merchants about experiences with every client? If a store owner dislikes the buyers attitude or behavior, he is welcome to invite the person to leave the shop. Does Yahoo et al run across the occasional dead beat? Therefore it seems to me, that a seller can reject or block an individual bidder if he has such reservations. Right? Listen, why offer a used component online if you cannot tolerate the risk of running across Mr Hyde if all you want to deal with is Mr. Jekyll? I look for a sellers' feedback trends and customer relations attitude before hitting the completion key. Trends are far more reliable an indicator than one or two flames from the Mr Hydes. And Whoa! a seller who retaliates, those cats can keep their wares... ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 7 05:30:27 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 03:30:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS and Final Statement "AGAIN" In-Reply-To: <4849AE94.3090001@marrscommunications.com> References: <060520081554.24956.48480C1D0005A6670000617C22216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> <4849AE94.3090001@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <060720080330.13237.484A00D0000925E4000033B522230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Fred. You have in your power to make are lives of NAK members much better by having done all the work to find a quality replacement for the holly grail of belts used on the preeminent classic transport, and we are very grateful. However, by electing to sell this particular belt to the believers of this particular brand, you can expect at least some scrutiny, Meaning there will be some discussion, most good, maybe some bad, but all impassioned about their experiences. As we all are aware without the belt our ZXL's etc are useless once they start to sag. Since there is only a finite quantity of the 8096C still floating around, it would make sense to have the master techs check the newcomer (D series) against the original to verify that indeed it conforms to the originals standard specs (give or take by an acceptable margin). Once this is established (through repeatable testing of batches) the chances of skeptics spreading rumors around the blog-o-sphere regarding mismatched applica tions should be greatly diminished. Isn't that what you/us/we would prefer? Then again it is not for me to decide. -------------- Original message from Marrs Communications : -------------- ( For the sake of members that are sick of hearing about this subject, please send any responses to: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com ) Hello Tom, Jeff, ddino77, and all Naktalk Members, In Response to questions ask, or statements made. I placed the 2nd order for the "D" after my purchase of the T-100, and saw for myself the belt would meet specifications. I made a previous post about this, listing the machines used in the test. . Tom, I did sent you a 8096-D for testing! You were having trouble with your T-100 and could not get accurate readings, even with a Original 8096C remember? That is the last I heard from you for several weeks. I then requested the return of the 8096C "new old stock belts" I purchased from ESL at $55.00 each, and included in the test "batch" for a comparison! Included in the "batch" was: 1 Original 8096C from ESL, 1 of 8096C from Sofh_it, ( which is also suppose to be "Original" ), 1 of my standard capstan belts used in my kits for the Classic Transport, and a couple of miscellaneous belts I had also purchased. I thought I furnished you with EVERYTHING anyone would need to compare the belts, in ANY form or fashion? I assumed you never corrected the problem with your T-100 OR, did not want to be the bearer of bad news ? Since I did not receive any concrete results from you , I went "in the hunt" for a T-100. About this time, Andy was kind enough to post his findi ngs about the 8096-D, for which, he received flack! Why ? He only volunteered his test results, and did nothing wrong! This sure raised my suspicions about what was REALLY going on. That is a whole new subject. As to the personal attacks you mentioned, I have received no personal attacks from anyone in Naktalk, __ except One (1) person, BUT had received personal attacks from him prior to joining the group. The attacks were about what I charge for shipping on my kits, which was none of his business to begin with. When I was attacked by this One (1) person, some of my Responses were NEVER ALLOWED to post on Naktalk! In addition, I received NO defense from any of the other members, telling this person to back off, even though everyone was aware I was in the process of having the "D" produced? It just went on and on and on, which put me in defense mode. That is when I made the decision to move FORWARD and have the "D" manufactured without any support information. It appeared to me, I was not going to receive any support, even though this might be our LAST OPPORTUNITY to have a NEW 8096C manufactured. Confused the hell out of me? Now that the 8096-D is here, EVERYONE has some thing to say about it. This is FINE, at least I am receiving opinions. ( positive, negative, middle of the road). The bottom line here is, EVERYONE had an opportunity to help me with manufacturing decisions, but no one did? Now that I have already committed to the "D", spent the money and have the belts "in hand", everyone has an opinion about it, Which again is FINE. I have no hard feelings towards anyone in the group ___ well maybe One (1). Jeff, I can not explain why everyone but me, has what is suppose to be, a Genuine Original 8096C that measures 9.2" ? All I have to work with are the "Originals" I purchased from ESL. My last post of measurements were taken using the PRB belt measuring tool. Has PRB been providing their customers, for years, with a tool that is not accurate? I doubt it. How is everyone else making their measurements? I would think the tool would be The most accurate method. The only draw back is not having a way to measure the "wall" or thickness. I use a micrometer. As I stated in a previous post, somewhere "out there" are thousands of Nakamichi OCO 8096C belts with the exact dimensions of my 8096-D. My "D" was sold to Nakamichi as the 8096C and it met THEIR specifications. What else can I say on that subject. ddino77, I did not send Jeff G. a 8096-D for testing, for several reasons. 1. Since the only feedback I had received up to that point was mixed, I am a little "gun shy" as to who I wanted testing the belt. 2. When Jeff G., has both the Original 8096C and a generic replacement that works, why would he be interested in the 8096-D ? I can't think of any reason except to defend "his position" in the belt world, which is FINE. I just did not want it to be at MY expense. I have NO REASON not to trust Jeff. He seems to be a stand up person. If I could afford it, would let him restore one of my machines. I am just presently in the " extra cautious " Mode. I have absolutely nothing to hide. Final statement " Again " In closing, The 8096-D is a good belt. It works on the CR-3A , and It works on the "Classic Transport ", with excellent measurements from everything I have been told, and seen. Some people say it is too long and say it is not a 8096C, because of this. I personally do NOT have, or EVER had, an Original 8096C that measures 9.2"? I have not been able to PURCHASE a 8096C that measures 9.2". Why is that ? In addition, what difference does it make if it is longer, as long as the fit is good, and the wow/flutter measurements are excellent, that should be all anyone would want. I would much rather have a belt that is longer, rather than shorter. Now that we have some discussion on the subject of a "True 8096C ", I would like to repeat a statement I made in a previous post. If the group as a Whole, can agree on what is wanted in a Genuine 8096C REPLACEMENT, furnishing input about dimensions preference, with line, without line, thinner, thicker, with arrow, without arrow, green in color, purple in color, whatever, and the opinions of EVERYONE is the Majority, and I can show a return on investment in a reasonable amount of time, I WILL HAVE THAT BELT MANUFACTURED and OFFER IT FOR A REASONABLE PRICE. BUT, members of Naktalk need to TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT. That is all I ask. Please keep in mind, there is one ( 1 ) member, that would find fault with ANY belt, he received from me. His input does NOT count. Thanks to everyone, Fred M. ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: I just spoke to Jeff G. and he extended the same offer to test the 8096D but was ignored. -------------- Original message from Tom Brucker : -------------- Fred, I am glad you have sold enough 8096D belts to reorder from Japan. I would urge you as a friend to not take these belt discussions as a personal attack. We in the world of Nak have a limited supply of a critical part, and the price charged for that part reflects its scarcity. We are lucky to have an involved group willing to test various belts under different conditions, and a forum to share for everyone's benefit. I have posted my opinion about the identity of your 8096D belt. A group of us are collecting independent tests of several belts which we will post once we collect them all. I spoke with you privately before the 8096D belt arrived in Texas offering to test a sample before you made a bulk purchase. Unfortunately, for reasons unknown to me, you did not accept my offer. The 8096D belt is not the same belt as the 8096C, but it is much better than the original Marrs classic belt. IF we as a community can deliver what we believe to be the best dimensions, the correct tolerances, and whatever other details you need to have a "perfect" 8096C clone would you be willing to work with us? Fred, you have the "machinery" to market and distribute mass quantities of belts. You insist of good quality and fair dealings. I don't think any other supplier exists that would do a better job. I urge you to let NakTalk's techs verify the quality of the real 8096K (klone , get it?) as we work together to bring an affordable no-compromise belt to Nak world. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Marrs Communications Sent: Jun 4, 2008 12:16 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS Hi Kannan, Point taken. Here is the problem, somewhere "out there" are thousands of Nakamichi 8096C belts with the same dimensions as mine. Right, Wrong or indifferent, my belt was sold to Nakamichi under the contract between the two. As mentioned in a previous post, Every belt I purchased that was suppose to be an "Original Nakamichi" 8096C, had different dimensions? I know Steven Sank from way back, 25 years ago? If I could get ! an "Ori ginal" from him, I could feel comfortable about it being a REAL "Original" 8096C. I have NO reason NOT to believe ANYONE, about their "Original C's", EXCEPT the dimension inconsistency's? I could then have that very belt manufactured IDENTICALLY. But, I have not found to the day, what I am convinced to be a honest to God original, based on the "C"'s I have measured, with absolutely NO consistency. Keeping this in mind, Why are there so many so called "Original" 8096C's "out there" with different dimensions ? ( I posted my measurements, usi ng a PRB belt measuring tool, previously ). Bottom line, once everyone is in agreement of just what the dimensions of a "Original" 8096C is, I CAN have that belt manufactured Identically, to those dimensions, with markings, without markings, shorter, longer, wider, whatever. Up to this point, I do not have anything! to wor k with, except the word of my factory and my manufacturing specifications agreement with them. What very little input I have received up to this point has been criticism, and have produced a 8096 that IS "Original" to the best of my knowledge. Fred M. kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: Before putting any marking on this belt, i feel you should not advertise this as exact equivalent in light of many people seeing apparent length mismatch between original belt and yours. Also try to find out the real measurement as I am yet to measure your belts against my own stock of 8096C bought from Stephen Sank ( who kept enough of these belts from nak spare parts) /old Nakamichi spare parts department as well as latest batch from nak dealer. Generally belt dimension is as important as the constituent. Your belt seems to match CR3 belt than 8096C. I am not trying discourage you but this is the correct thing to do in light of many people observing the dimensional match to CR3 belt than 8096C I am not seeing anything wrong with your assumptions and trials so far but try to get the dimesions also corrected ( tried with Nak classic mechanism for acceptability) before taking efforts to add the arrow. kannan --- On Mon, 6/2/08, Marrs Communications wrote: From: Marrs Communications Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 4:29 PM Hey, Just a reminder of what my factory guy said, for what it's worth . 9. I did NOT have the arrow placed on my 8096-D because the factory told me it was NOT worth the time and effort. When testing for Quality Control they never found over: +/- 0.01 to 0.02% difference in measurement due to direction of travel ! I invite everyone to test my "D" in both directions, but I doubt you will see additional improvement over the numbers above. 10. I just received my 2nd shipment of 8096-D's and did NOT have the line across the face installed for the same reasons above, in addition to cost savings. I can have the arrow and line installed on the next order IF everyone prefers that, but I am convinced it is a waste based on the factories comments. Fred M shanti ramachandran wrote: Ed, Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and asked if it mattered how the arrow was oriented while replacing the belt, and was promptly told, to position it in the direction of motion for better w/f numbers. I listened and obeyed! May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all that we know.. and arrowed them according to numbers on w/f/. Regards, Ram Edward Noyes wrote: Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of the actual Nak 8096 belts years ago when I announced on the list that "last call" for belts had been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I actually spoke about the fact that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any markings on them. I don't know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless he makes a point of testing and marking them himself (which is entirely possible). As received from Nakamichi, these belts have no markings though, Ed shanti ramachandran wrote: > Tom and others, > > ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating direction of motion, so > the belt could be installed with the right orientation to obtain > perfect w/f numbers. > > One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I used for my ZX9 > recently had a red! arrow, rather than a white arrow that we all know > in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in my ZX9 so > dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! > > Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. If Fred's belts are > good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others should supplement us > Nak heads with data to affirm this. > > Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun intended!) and > cherish our wonderful machines. > > Have a great weekend. > > Regards, > Ram > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Na ktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Even without the rubber rings used around the original H-7D batteries, the fit is very tight, and I am afraid to install it all the way for fear it may never come out again. I tried several different batteries, and they are all equally tight. I was thinking about possibly coating it very lightly with silicone grease, or looping a piece of Glide dental floss around and under the far end as it is installed to be able to pull it out. Any other ideas or suggestions? Or am I being overly cautious? Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daveharris at clear.net.nz Sat Jun 7 05:56:21 2008 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:56:21 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BB2ABC411FE4EF6AFE8DF90FE154F04@Vistanx7300> Hi Gennady I have occasionally buy belts from Trade Tech, could you tell us the part number for the Capstan belt you bought for the 480Z as I have one I am curently working on it capstan belt is worn out I have put an unknown belt from my collection on it while I am working on it but will need to buy one soon,and I have found TradeTechs belt prices to be very good. I loosened my 480z pressure roller arms with small amounts of CRC 5-56 slowly working them over a period of two weeks or so be cause I didn't want to disassemble the arms and change their position unless I had to. interestingly once they had loosened up and were free moving I noticed that their stickyness meant they had unxrewed them selves and had moved out so that they could not actually unscrew any more because they were touching the head mounting plate. Thanks for the tips on the DIY tape guide I have modfied an old TDK SA shell and will take it further according to your experience Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 1:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems First of all let me introduce myself. I’m Gennady (Guennadi, Ghennady) whatever you like. RF, Electronics and Sound Engineer – designer. My the 1-st tape recorder was MONO valve (tube) one in early 60's. Always serviced and repaired it myself. Now I do restoration of old sound equipment and musical instruments in my home lab as a hobby using professional test equipment. At home I’m hopelessly “analog” person. I’m not talking about MP3. Someone may like it, but not me. As for me even CD is not suitable source of high quality musical program. It has “digital disability”. I can hear it. This is my “disease” to hear too much, but I couldn’t find any “switcher” in my brain to switch this selectivity off. So here I am. Have done Fender Rhodes, Wurlitzer electric pianos, Mini Moog sinth, Fender Stratocaster and Gibson Les Paul guitars, Fender Blues Delux and Twin Reverb tube guitar amps, HAMMOND A100 (B3) organ from 1961 and Leslie 122 speaker Cabinet, few Mix desks (TAC MATCHLESS, Soundcraft 500, 600, etc), OTARI Studio Mastering tape machines MX-5050N II, MX-50N II), Thorens TD-125 mk II turntable etc. Most of them are in my collection. Recently I hooked on Nakamichi decks. Restored 480 as my Nakamichi learning exercise. It had 2 major problems. 1. Supply Pressure Roller Arm Assembly was glued to its shaft – fixed. 2. Too high WOW&FLUTTER measured by the NEUTRIK A2-Audio Test & Service System. It was audible. Visual inspection showed the Capstan Belt was cut of motorbike wheel tube. Bought the belt from TRADE-TECH. Additionally the Take-Up Reel Hub Pulley Assembly had uneven torque moment. The felt pad in the Assembly was glued off centre - fixed. WOW&FLUTTER in specs now. A week ago I bought DRAGON on Ebay “in excellent working and beautiful cosmetic condition”. Many problems arrived along with the deck. 1. Supply Pressure Roller Arm Assembly was glued to its shaft. The deck was working on take-up capstan only. To remove the Pressure Roller Arm Bushing I made the simple tool using a side-cutter. I filed flat one cutting tip. The other sharp one perfectly fit in the Bushing slot. To unglue and remove the assembly I heat up the shaft bearing tube with soldering iron and removed the assembly as quick as it possible to prevent the shaft heating and plastic shaft holder melting. I’ve done the same for the Take-Up Pressure Roller Arm Assembly. I don’t have the DA090-51A Tape Guide Height gauge. I made the gauge using modified cassette similar to Tape Travelling Adjustment Cassette recommended in the Service Manual. I fixed permanently the cassette tape guide rollers at their centre position using washers. Removed tape, put empty hubs on their places, put a piece of transparent lead tape at the normal tape position, laid the ends of the tape around the hubs and connected them together by a small spring providing constant tape tension. The tape is centred in the tape pass by the fixed rollers. Loaded the modified cassette in the mechanism, slowly rotated the Control Motor Pulley towards Playback position and watched the Supply and Take-Up Tape Guides approaching the tape using Meopta Industrial Stereo Microscope equipped with micrometer head. I adjusted each Arm Bushings position till the centred in the cassette tape fits to each Guide perfectly. 2. Watching the normal tape travelling through the another modified cassette slots I noticed the tape changed its position in Reverse mode. It shifted towards the Head Base by ~0.3mm. It is enough to confuse the Automatic Azimuth Adjustment System in Reverse mode. I think if it was the head tilt problem the tape could move to the same direction in both FWD and REV modes. I made the torque measuring cassette and measured the torque moment in both directions. It is different. Take-Up is 50 g*cm in FWD Playback mode and slightly uneven. Supply is 75 g*cm in REV Playback mode. The 480 deck Take-Up has about 50g*cm torque moment. I broke the Supply Hub slightly by an empty revolver case to reduce torque moment and the tape moved to the correct position. I disassembled both Reel Hub Pulley Assemblies to check the felt pads and the tension springs condition. The reason of the Take-Up uneven torque moment was similar to the 480 deck. The felt pad in the Assembly was glued off centre – fixed. Both Tension springs are identical except the Supply spring is stretched longer then Take-Up one. Fully engaged it has 256g force. The Take-Up spring has 220g force. My question is: Is this normal or this is the manufacturing assembly fault? I may squeeze the spring over the tunes to make both springs of the same length and pressure force. Am I on the right way? Thanks for your time. Cheers, Gennady guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz http://www.exicom.co.nz Phone: +64 4 237 2149 Fax: +64 4 237 9696 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orders at pennysconstruction.com Sat Jun 7 08:21:50 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 01:21:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: New Ebay scores? The weaknesses in the scoring system. References: <94153502563C46F3AE6A3B8585E6069B@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <35F2FEFF14C04D69B118AD84270ECC52@number2> MessageWell, I've sold about 800 items on ebay, and bought about 200. So far "knock on wood" I've had very little problems buyers. I'm mostly selling records and tapes, stuff like that. 2 people didn't pay, and I waited more than 45 days (46 in one case), so I couldn't even file an unpaid item dispute. I guy got me for $20, as I sent him the money to return the item and he never did. I've had 2 items damaged in shipping, and 2 or 3 said the items were defective. I got all of them back (at my expense), and haven't bothered to check. When someone complains I send them a pre-paid return label, when they return the item I refund there money including shipping. So I'm out money for shipping both ways, and the ebay fees. I get my items back, and no negatives. My point is, 99.9% of the people pay right away, and I ship right away. How much can you tell about a buyer in that time? My complaint is there not enough space to type much of a response to a negative. You can't tell your side in that little of a space. Sellers, on the other hand, are a different story. 30% of the records I bought were not graded correctly, or had glaring flaws that were not described, though the letter grade would still be correct. Each and every one of them was the kind of seller that hid behind leaving feedback after the buyer did. I've got to check that more before I bid anymore. Just a high positive rating means little in itself. I've even left positives for stuff I was un-happy with. I do look at the comments on a sellers feedback to look for comments on the quality. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham A Nelson To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: New Ebay scores? The weaknesses in the scoring system. Hi Mike Actually, I think there is quite a lot of significant things that goes with buyers which can be rated: Do they complete the transaction, or mess about? Do they pay promptly? Do they reply to communications in a timely fashion? (Do they reply at all?!) Are they reasonable esp. with regard to their rating of the buyer and their aftersales demands? There are more I am sure but my brain is faddled and I can't think of them at the mo'! We are also in agreement that sellers ought to be able to challenge/amend feedback given by buyers when it is plain wrong/unfair. As an aside, in comparing notes with Jeff, where I have had very few problems buying (and selling ) in eBay, while he's had a belly full, we noted that there is a big difference between what he and I do - i.e. he buys Nak things whereas I have only ever bought one Nak item on eBay, and the rest have been an assortment of other things. So, I am left wondering if the problem of cheats is peculiar with premium products, not least Nakamichi hi fi... Cheers, Gra' -----Original Message----- From: orders at pennysconstruction [mailto:orders at pennysconstruction.com] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:56 PM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] FW: New Ebay scores? The weaknesses in the scoring system. Well, what do you have in mind? See, it doesn't bother me that much, because I leave feedback as soon as the package goes out. I don't like it at all, when the seller doesn't leave it for me when I buy. Also I try to read the feedback comments about a seller. I look for comments about the accuracy of the listing, and there for, I try to leave comments like that too. IMO feedback on a buyer is stupid anyway. How good could you rate a buyer? All there doing is paying for something. It's not like sellers, where you want to find out if they describe an item accurately. Who really looks at a buyers feedback? You don't often have the chance, as they bid in the last minute of an auction. I would like the ability to amend feedback, because I get screwed sometimes. I can't do anything because I've left feedback already. Thanks Mike ----- Original ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Sat Jun 7 13:57:50 2008 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 12:57:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Why keeping marring Marr?? References: <1717F16FCB22470691F32A0EF0994153@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <003201c8c895$b650f3a0$0201a8c0@home> MessageNicely put Graham! If Freds belts are Cr** (which I doubt) then all we have lost in the end is a few £/$, and the use of our Nik Naks, Fred however will lose his cred and some serious investment and be stuck with a while bunch of Elastic Bands! In the mean time, those who don't have anything better to do, get off his case and get on with something a bit more constructive. Real time, 25 piece heavily modified 505 Copy Suite anyone! (In your dreams ;-) Better get back in my box again, Matron coming! T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham A Nelson To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] Why keeping marring Marr?? Guys, I am not addressing everyone here. I'm getting sick of all the "let's shoot at Fred and in public..." stuff. I have no axe to grind but some of you will think I am not technically qualified in these matters to make any point about it all anyway. However, as I stand on the sidelines all I see is a guy trying to make a handful, not fist full, of $s, by trying to do it to satisfy a need in a VERY niche and finite market. Nothing wrong with that - it's business but then, this isn't big business - it's minnows in a sea of sharks. To do that he needs to get the product right. We have a vested interested in seeing that he DOES get it right. So, PUBLIC sniping does no good for Fred and his motivation to even bother, and it sure as Hell does no good to us, not only as a Nak community but also as Nak consumers! Fred knows he can't sell the belts if they are not what the customers want. It's a basic rule of business retailing: If you don't offer what punters want they won't buy. If they do buy and the product falls short, they won't buy them again AND they'll tell all their mates the product is cr#p. He's not daft, he knows that; so, it's not in Fred's interest to create a cr#p belt. Simple business economics, never mind ethics. So, I appeal to all who can, tell him, show him, what you want. He will listen because he must listen if he is going to create something you'd want to buy, something you won't slam into the floor and tell your mates it's cr#p. Otherwise, what's the point of spending dosh in making something that no one will buy?? So, if you think he's dug in a hole, help him out, not throw soil on top. If he's fallen down on some aspect of the product or service, don't kick him while he's down - show him what's wrong. And for G#ds sake, try to be more discrete if what you have to say is negative, so he has a chance to get it right without a spotlight of public gaze because it is self-evidently, Fred is still developing the belts. It will do no good for any of us if we shoot down his enterprise even before it's got off the runway! He needs more feedback. Nothing wrong with saying "Fred, this is rubbish because ..." But give the guy a chance to get it right before you tell the whole damned World. Discretion is good because a) it serves no purpose slamming him or his developing product in public and b) these negative vibes don't make the Nak group a happy community nor one that encourages people to stay in it. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marrs Communications Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS and Final Statement "AGAIN" Importance: High ( For the sake of members that are sick of hearing about this subject, please send any responses to: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com ) Hello Tom, Jeff, ddino77, and all Naktalk Members, In Response to questions ask, or statements made. I placed the 2nd order for the "D" after my purchase of the T-100, and saw for myself the belt would meet specifications. I made a previous post about this, listing the machines used in the test. . Tom, I Thanks to everyone, Fred M. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1488 - Release Date: 06/06/08 17:48 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 7 15:22:07 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 06:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Why keeping marring Marr?? In-Reply-To: <1717F16FCB22470691F32A0EF0994153@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <854640.19215.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra, I second this 100%. lets give Fred a chance. Ram Graham A Nelson wrote: Message Guys, I am not addressing everyone here. I'm getting sick of all the "let's shoot at Fred and in public..." stuff. I have no axe to grind but some of you will think I am not technically qualified in these matters to make any point about it all anyway. However, as I stand on the sidelines all I see is a guy trying to make a handful, not fist full, of $s, by trying to do it to satisfy a need in a VERY niche and finite market. Nothing wrong with that - it's business but then, this isn't big business - it's minnows in a sea of sharks. To do that he needs to get the product right. We have a vested interested in seeing that he DOES get it right. So, PUBLIC sniping does no good for Fred and his motivation to even bother, and it sure as Hell does no good to us, not only as a Nak community but also as Nak consumers! Fred knows he can't sell the belts if they are not what the customers want. It's a basic rule of business retailing: If you don't offer what punters want they won't buy. If they do buy and the product falls short, they won't buy them again AND they'll tell all their mates the product is cr#p. He's not daft, he knows that; so, it's not in Fred's interest to create a cr#p belt. Simple business economics, never mind ethics. So, I appeal to all who can, tell him, show him, what you want. He will listen because he must listen if he is going to create something you'd want to buy, something you won't slam into the floor and tell your mates it's cr#p. Otherwise, what's the point of spending dosh in making something that no one will buy?? So, if you think he's dug in a hole, help him out, not throw soil on top. If he's fallen down on some aspect of the product or service, don't kick him while he's down - show him what's wrong. And for G#ds sake, try to be more discrete if what you have to say is negative, so he has a chance to get it right without a spotlight of public gaze because it is self-evidently, Fred is still developing the belts. It will do no good for any of us if we shoot down his enterprise even before it's got off the runway! He needs more feedback. Nothing wrong with saying "Fred, this is rubbish because ..." But give the guy a chance to get it right before you tell the whole damned World. Discretion is good because a) it serves no purpose slamming him or his developing product in public and b) these negative vibes don't make the Nak group a happy community nor one that encourages people to stay in it. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marrs Communications Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS and Final Statement "AGAIN" Importance: High ( For the sake of members that are sick of hearing about this subject, please send any responses to: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com ) Hello Tom, Jeff, ddino77, and all Naktalk Members, In Response to questions ask, or statements made. I placed the 2nd order for the "D" after my purchase of the T-100, and saw for myself the belt would meet specifications. I made a previous post about this, listing the machines used in the test. . Tom, I Thanks to everyone, Fred M. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Jun 7 17:23:28 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 08:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Fred M.'s Final Comment about the 8096-D In-Reply-To: <200806071002.m57A12Xc021399@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <429603.54649.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Ummm...I also own a RX-505 and have been through the wringer with it. A "deal" bought on ebay that was "working perfectly". Turns out that the deck hadn't worked in yrs and the transport mechanism was frozen up. I kept replacing electronic parts to try and get the transport to start, when all the while it was the frozen transport that was causing the electronics to fail. Yes replacing the belt to the flip mechanism is a virtual hell...not so much in the 'getting to it' part, but that the 10K Alps volume pot is VERY fragile and easily broken-ask me how I know this.;-) Once the shaft goes inside the pot is is turned down in diameter considerably and it's VERY delicate. Just bumping the gear attached to it on something as you re-install breaks it. Then...try to find that Alps pot without buying a donor unit! The last one, Tom here helped me out with. Once you have the plate off though, just following the directions on lining up the timing is no big deal. If you have one machine that is slower, I would suggest that the drive motor for the flip mechanism is sluggish. Although if it works well, I'm not sure it's worth the effort to replace-perhaps just spray some cleaner in there, or just use it and leave it alone. Yes, you can hear wow & flutter, I can hear it easily in piano and solo guitar strings. In fact, I have a Cat Stevens album that is my 'test' do see if the deck is set up properly. On some decks, motor speed can be off as well. However, I wasn't sure what the cause was from the recording-now I know. Kevin Message: 3 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 23:46:26 EDT From: Perryinva at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fred M. 's Final Comment about the 8096-D Capstan Belt To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have 2 RX-505's one with early and one late serial numbers. Both had original belts, one slipping pretty bad, the other good for about 30 mins. After a total R&R and replacement of all the belts plus the capstan belts with 8096D belts, they are perfect. Interestingly, the flip speed and motion on the older one is significantly slower and different the newer one, but there is absolutely no binding or drag, the motors spin freely and it works perfectly every time. And if you've ever actually changed a flip belt, you KNOW what a PITA it is, to get the seating and timing right. It must be exact to the tooth!. The sound from each is about identical (though the meters are a little off from each other) NO flutter in any piano or flute piece I can lay my hand on, and no wow from any source I can fing to listen to. I do not have access to a W&F machine, but it is my understanding that a well trained ear can hear the W&F that even a machine measures as low. I don't claim to be any kind of golden ear, but I have always heard W&/orF that others never seem to, whether tape or vinyl. Both machines are MUCH quieter mechanically from the drive motor sounds and vibration than with the original belts, and that is VERY important to me as well. The price is beyond right and the service has always been exceptional. From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 7 17:30:33 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 10:30:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Why keeping marring Marr?? In-Reply-To: <1717F16FCB22470691F32A0EF0994153@GrahamNPC> References: <1717F16FCB22470691F32A0EF0994153@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <484AA999.2000808@sbcglobal.net> Nicely said! Warren Graham A Nelson wrote: > Guys, > > I am not addressing everyone here. > > I'm getting sick of all the "let's shoot at Fred and in public..." > stuff. I have no axe to grind but some of you will think I am not > technically qualified in these matters to make any point about it all > anyway. However, as I stand on the sidelines all I see is a guy > trying to make a handful, not fist full, of $s, by trying to do it to > satisfy a need in a VERY niche and finite market. Nothing wrong with > that - it's business but then, this isn't big business - it's minnows > in a sea of sharks. To do that he needs to get the product right. We > have a vested interested in seeing that he DOES get it right. So, > PUBLIC sniping does no good for Fred and his motivation to even > bother, and it sure as Hell does no good to us, not only as a Nak > community but also as Nak consumers! Fred knows he can't sell the > belts if they are not what the customers want. It's a basic rule of > business retailing: If you don't offer what punters want they won't > buy. If they do buy and the product falls short, they won't buy them > again AND they'll tell all their mates the product is cr#p. He's not > daft, he knows that; so, it's not in Fred's interest to create a cr#p > belt. Simple business economics, never mind ethics. So, I appeal to > all who can, tell him, show him, what you want. He will listen > because he must listen if he is going to create something you'd want > to buy, something you won't slam into the floor and tell your mates > it's cr#p. Otherwise, what's the point of spending dosh in making > something that no one will buy?? So, if you think he's dug in a hole, > help him out, not throw soil on top. If he's fallen down on some > aspect of the product or service, don't kick him while he's down - > show him what's wrong. And for G#ds sake, try to be more discrete if > what you have to say is negative, so he has a chance to get it right > without a spotlight of public gaze because it is self-evidently, Fred > is still developing the belts. It will do no good for any of us if we > shoot down his enterprise even before it's got off the runway! He > needs more feedback. Nothing wrong with saying "Fred, this is rubbish > because ..." But give the guy a chance to get it right before you tell > the whole damned World. Discretion is good because a) it serves no > purpose slamming him or his developing product in public and b) these > negative vibes don't make the Nak group a happy community nor one that > encourages people to stay in it. > > *Gra'* > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Marrs Communications > *Sent:* Friday, June 06, 2008 10:40 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS and > Final Statement "AGAIN" > *Importance:* High > > ( > For the sake of members that are sick of hearing about this > subject, please send any responses to: > marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com ) > > Hello Tom, Jeff, ddino77, and all Naktalk Members, > > In Response to questions ask, or statements made. > > > I placed the 2nd order for the "D" after my purchase of the > T-100, and saw for myself the belt would meet specifications. I > made a previous post about this, listing the machines used in the > test. . > > Tom, I > > Thanks to everyone, Fred M. > > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Sat Jun 7 17:53:54 2008 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:53:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] PRB Belt Gauge Message-ID: <060720081553.13552.484AAF120005C107000034F02215578674CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> Hello All, I have several Belt Gauges, such as the PRB. I have an MCM, and also a newer one I received, which was still PRB, But the Russel Ind. Look to it. I have to say, these gauges can be misused. It all depends how much pressure one applies, when measuring a Belt. It doesnt take very much of a difference in pressure to give different readings, from different individuals. Also, at the end of the Gauges there are Slots for measuring the thickness of different types of belts. But each person who uses the device, can make changes based on their technique of handling/measuring the belts, in thickness, and diameter. I have seen this happen plenty over the years, also you really need to know the condition of the belts prior to measuring, being certain that they are actually new, havent been stretched by anything, etc....the history of the belt, and where it came from. Thats why its nice to have a reference to look at, such as the PRB Belt Guide Book, for Tape Players and Turntab les, listed by manufacturer...then you can check your technique, based on your measurements against those in the PRB/Russel Industries Belt Reference Guide. Im just writing this because I have used these gauges for years, doing many repairs, especially with Reel to Reel and VCR Players.....and with many of the Auto Audio Devices for years working at H&R Radio. Plenty of belt changing/ordering there, so lots of measurements with this gauge. Ray From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Jun 7 18:35:09 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 09:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: New ebay scores. The weakness in the scoring system In-Reply-To: <200806071002.m57A12Xc021399@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <210910.65722.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Actually, I think there is a bias to this depending on whether you are a seller or a buyer. And even then, if you sell occasionally (like I do), there is a different perspective given from a volume or 'power seller'. Having done both (buying and selling), I always thought there were gross discrepancies with the feedback system on ebay. As a person who is 100% honest, I have been the victim of many seller scams in vintage electronics. I was also afraid to post negative feedback because of the VERY juvenile feedback wars going on. Yes, you can read all the feedback of the transaction and get a good gist of what went on and how it was handled, but how many others really do that? In fact, many of the sellers are so stupidly inept, that they don't even know they show their dishonesty in their own retaliatory feedback answers. In any event as Mike said, there is no way to protect yourself from deadbeat or unscrupulous buyers (as a seller with an item listed), because they often bid at the last minute or snipe bid. It's also correct in point that if as a buyer, you pay for the item immediately, get said item(s) horribly late, or not as described and/or poorly packed etc (I've begged them to pack well and they didn't), you as a buyer have done nothing wrong. It is your right to leave negative feedback if the seller does not make the transaction above board. You shouldn't be afraid (with the old ebay system) that making a legitimate complaint will garner you some juvenile attack response in retaliatory feedback from a less-than-honest seller. I always thought that the way to handle buyers who never leave a feedback rating was to let a certain amount of time go by and if there was no feedback given, then the seller gets automatic 'positive' with no written text involved. That would tell 'all' that there was no feedback given by the buyer and he/she would be more inclined to give it next time-especially if they got screwed in the deal. Conversely, that same 'automatic' concept would also work if the seller didn't bother to leave feedback. So, say what you want about the new system, but the old one was horribly broken and wanting. The only way I maintained a 100% rating was to let feedback to the unscrupulous, miscreant sellers pass. I knew I'd get negative back and have my score ruined. Due to the low volume I have, it would have taken it down to the low 90's which would make most assume I was a deadbeat buyer. One nak poster here was playing a 'game' with feedback scores as a buyer-in that he would wait until the last possible deadline moment to post negative feedback, in the hope that the seller wouldn't have time to post juvenile, retaliatory feedback back. Come on folks, that's not a system that was 'working'. Most of the people I read about that are disgruntled with the new system are sellers. Sure, there are buyers who can now 'work' the system, but I would bet the majority of buyers on ebay don't. And furthermore, I can now rest easily that some miscreant seller won't give me negative, juvenile retaliatory feedback on a transaction that he bumbled through no fault of my own. Ebay should have passed along a survey of possible solutions to their feedback system to all members. That would have been the logical ideal, but that might have cost their 'garage sale' system, $$. It's always about the $$ folks, follow the money trail for the answers you seek in a company's motivations ('bottom line'). Ethics only bum a ride or occasionally wind up by happenstance, on the money 'train' to riches. Kevin Actually, I think there is quite a lot of significant things that goes with buyers which can be rated: Do they complete the transaction, or mess about? Do they pay promptly? Do they reply to communications in a timely fashion? (Do they reply at all?!) Are they reasonable esp. with regard to their rating of the buyer and their aftersales demands? There are more I am sure but my brain is faddled and I can't think of them at the mo'! We are also in agreement that sellers ought to be able to challenge/amend feedback given by buyers when it is plain wrong/unfair. As an aside, in comparing notes with Jeff, where I have had very few problems buying (and selling ) in eBay, while he's had a belly full, we noted that there is a big difference between what he and I do - i.e. he buys Nak things whereas I have only ever bought one Nak item on eBay, and the rest have been an assortment of other things. So, I am left wondering if the problem of cheats is peculiar with premium products, not least Nakamichi hi fi... Cheers, Gra' From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Sat Jun 7 18:52:03 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:52:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help with calibrating Level Meters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gennady Thanks for your detailed explanation of the maths involved in this subject. After all the previous replies by various members and considering your suggestion, I have now come to the conclusion that there are two schools of thought regarding what is 500mV -2db. 1. Who say that 500mV is -2db below 775mV and I should adjust to obtain 500mV only. 2. Who say that 500mv should be considered a 0db reference and I should adjust to -2db below that. Now according to the formula you have provided, you have calculated 500mV -2db to 397mV which falls under the second school of thought. Now I am really confused as to which method to follow. Can someone please let me know the exact method of calibrating the level meters and lay this problem to rest once and for all? Thanks and best regards, ~Nadeem~ To: naktalk at naks.comFrom: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nzDate: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:34:45 +1200Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help with calibrating Level MetersHi ~Nadeem~ The level measured in dB =20 x log(L / Lref) where: L – measured level, Lref – reference Level. If the reference Level = 1V=1000mV = “V” then we are talking about dBV level. Most domestic, TEAC (Tascam domestic equipment branch) and Fostex equipment has -10 dBV at the Input / Output terminals (RCA connectors) as “0 dB” reference level which is 10^(-10/20) x 1000mV = 0.316 x 1000mV = 316 mV. If the reference Level = 775 mV = “u” then we are talking about dBu level. Most professional equipment has +4 dBu at the Input / Output terminals (XLR connectors) as “0 dB” reference level which is 10^(4/20) x 775mV = 1.584 x 775 mV = 1228 mV = 1.228 V The DRAGON deck has 1 V as “0 dB” ref level at the terminals, but 350 mV at the internal Reference Test Points. The manual says 350 mV -0.9 dB (referring to 350mV). It means 10^(-0.9/20) x 350 = 0.902 x 350 mV = 315.5 mV. If your manual says 500 mV -2dB it means 10^(-2/20) x 500 mV = 0.794 x 500 mV = 397 mV If your Voltmeter has 0 dB adjustable, adjust the input level to 500 mV measured by the Voltmeter, switch it to dB mode, set it as 0 dB than reduce the input level till the Voltmeter shows -2 dB Gennady guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz http://www.exicom.co.nzPhone: +64 4 237 2149 Fax: +64 4 237 9696 _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Jun 7 22:13:19 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:13:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <4A69D4E0-790E-4666-ADB2-E98D4A63C3BD@semplay.com> References: <4A69D4E0-790E-4666-ADB2-E98D4A63C3BD@semplay.com> Message-ID: Hi Jagtar, Sorry for the tardy reply. I've been working day and night to get ready for a trade show in September and that leaves me little time for emailings, alas. Tweaking old audio gear is a trend that began in the 1980s, called POOGE (Progressive Optimization Of Good Equipment), an idea I support. In fact, I try to make my equipment in a manner that it can be continuously upgraded as better component technologies come into being -- I make the assumption that in a few years better capacitors, resistors, and so on will exist than what I used to make the equipment originally. With regard to the Trio Kenwood KA-7100, let me offer some controversial suggestions. Firstly, let's assume it is a creature of the 1970s: it was made with hand-soldered PC boards, the stated design ideal for amplifiers was the "straight wire with gain," manufacturers were in a "power race" to create ever-higher-powered amplifiers, manufacturers were trying to outdo each other with better spec sheets, and most designers took the expedient of adding massive amounts of inverse feedback to create those impressive spec sheets. I remember Kenwood making AM/FM Stereo receivers with greater than 200 Watts output! Also let's assume Kenwood decided to scrimp on things like cheaper case metal and carbon potentiometers to keep costs down. So here's my ideas for "tweaking" 1970s stereos: Replace carbon potentiometers with lower-noise conductive plastic types. Replace resistors in low-level preamplifier stages with 1/2-watt metal film types. Change the magnitude of inverse feedback [IFB] applied (usually reducing it) -- with care, because most 1970s amplifiers have very high gain because of the massive IFB applied, so reducing the IFB too much will cause instability, and ringing during transients. With most amplifier designs, the IFB resistor forms a voltage divider with an emitter or cathode resistor in an earlier gain stage. Never change the emitter or cathode resistor because it sets the bias for the tube of transistor, so always change the IFB resistor. A larger value IFB resistor reduces IFB, a smaller value IFB resistor increases IFB. To make things simple, use a resistor substitution decade box or a potentiometer wired in temporarily. On May 13, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Jagtar Semplay wrote: > Hi Kermit > > Thanks for the list of amplifiers, glad to see the Trio KA-7100 in > there. I have always wondered if the KA-7100 could be improved by > replacing the old wiring or any other tweaks? > > Jagtar > jagtar at semplay.com > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Jun 7 22:16:01 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:16:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Microphone Q & A In-Reply-To: <589563.64172.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <589563.64172.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5D364F03-A1FE-4D73-AF7A-D0288E1B39F2@kvglabs.com> Thanks for the compliment Kevin, you brought a smile to my face. I have a passion for analog recorders, especially higher-end cassette decks, and few things give me more satisfaction than seeing smeone make a recording with a cassette deck that it so good that it rivals or bests commercially-released digitally-mastered recordings. On Jun 1, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Kermit, > If nobody has done so otherwise, thank you for that > wealth of info on mic types and/or recording with > them. There is NO substitute for a lifetime of > knowledge and practical experience, in any endeavor > actually. Clearly, you can write volumes about doing > so professionally! Eventually, I'll be recording live > when I get back into it. Before, it was done > professionally and I just watched the tapes spin, so I > don't have a clue.;-) I'd like to try my Nak (also my > Tandberg R2R's) and a couple of mics just to record 12 > string guitar and vocals. > > Kevin > > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Jun 7 22:21:47 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 15:21:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 In-Reply-To: <26095387.1212595667127.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <26095387.1212595667127.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7A3D22E6-436D-45AA-B71F-452C3C2420AD@kvglabs.com> In the 1970s, we here in Kansas city had a wonderful Nakamichi dealer, David Beatty's Stereo who sometimes had the Nakamichi speakers on display, but it was uncommon. Mainly, they tended to prefer selling loudspeakers made by Dahlquist (especially the then-radical DQ-10), Kef, Linn, B&W, Bozak, Magnepan, Bang & Olufsen, QUAD and Dayton- Wright (electrostatic types), and their in-house custom-designed speakers made from JBL drivers. On Jun 4, 2008, at 11:07 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > I missed the passing reference to the Nak reference Monitor > speaker..In the US it was also sold as the Mitsubishi DS-505. I > don't think Nak dealers ever displayed the speaker...we didn't. > > tom brucker > > >> Mike wrote: >> >> "I don't care about stereo anymore after finding >> elusive Nak Reference Monitor speaker(re-labelled Diatone >> 2s-350).Mono >> is amazing...Stereo feels like 3D special effect.Regards,Mike" >> -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sun Jun 8 02:13:10 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 19:13:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Mics For A 550 In-Reply-To: <160733.49600.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <160733.49600.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0D40ED86-DDD4-4F8E-845C-F22CE3ADB34B@kvglabs.com> Hi Kevin, Thanks to marketing, quite a bit of confusion exists regarding stereo technique. The human mind works together with the ears to be able to resolve the direction in all three dimensions, distance and size of a sound. So, we live in a 3D world of sound, assuming normal hearing. Designers have long sought to replicate musical performances so they appear to the ear as in life. All reproduced sound is therefore an auditory illusion made possible because of the complexities of how the human m ind perceives sound, a discipline referred to as psychoacoustics. Every system yet devised has the ability to produce a startlingly realistic illusion of the original sound under ideal conditions. That's the problem -- few recordings are made under ideal conditions and even fewer playback system operate under ideal conditions. The quality of the illusion diminishes as the circumstances stray from ideal conditions, or as quality losses accrue within the equipment, errors are made in the execution of the technique or the playback environment is deteriorated by poor acoustics or intrusion of unwanted noises. The term "binaural" has frequently been confused as a synonym for the word "stereo" because of widespread misuse of the term by the recording industry as a marketing buzzword. Stereo, or stereophonic sound, has two spaced loudspeakers and two channels of audio that create an illusion of direction and distance in a manner analogous to stereoscopic (3D) photography. Binaural recording uses two microphones that pick up sound in the same manner as the human ears, records the sound onto two audio channels, then plays back the sound only through headphones to maintain the illusion. The best binaural method, according to many practitioners, is the use of a dummy head with microphones placed in its ears. Multichannel sound is is also confused with stereo but multichannel sound is the proper term for playback systems having more than two loudspeakers spaced around the listener with the objective of improving the illusion of the playback by adding more sources (audio channels and respective loudspeakers) to give the ear/brain combination more psychoacoustic cues on which to create the illusion. The most common multichannel sound systems are "quadriphonic" and "surround sound." The first attempts for lifelike audio reproduction, or -- more properly -- the transmission over a distance of lifelike sound, were undertaken in 1880 by Alexander Graham Bell in the USA and by Clement Ader in France. Bell referred to his system as "binauricular auduition" while Ader used the term "binaural listening." Bell used a helmet fitted with a telephone receiver (earpiece) for each ear, with the pair of receivers connected to a pair of carbon microphones installed in the ears of a mannequin head. The mannequin head was located in the front row of a nearby theater. Ader used a pairs of carbon microphones spaced along the footlight trough of a theater; the pairs of mikes were connected to a pair of telephone receivers (earpieces). The listener had to hold the earpieces up to their ears, a precursor to modern stereo headphones. Both techniques would be described today as binaural. Unfortunately, recording technology didn't exist. Monophonic sound came to be as a result of the simple technological progression from acoustic-mechanical gramophones and phonographs to electrical disc recording and record players having electronic amplification and loudspeakers. In the late 1920s and early 1930s, stereophonic sound recording was invented almost simultaneously in the USA (by Bell Laboratories), the UK (by Alan Dower-Blumlein) and in France by the O.R.F. all three systems used a disc record having 45-degree grooves; the disc speeds and EQ curves differed among the three methods. The largest differences were in the microphone technique and the loudspeaker placement. Bell labs used three widely spaced omnidirectional mikes and three spaced loudspeakers (Left, Center, Right). Blumlein used two crossed figure-eight ribbon mikes and an elaborate phase matrix, with two loudspeakers aimed toward the listener at a 45 degree angle. The O.R.F. used two cardioid mikes spaced about 8 inches apart and angled outward at approximately 110-degrees, with two loudspeakerss apced in each corner of the room aimed straight ahead. The three systems were laboratories curiosities and none saw commercial application until the 1950s. The availability of stereophonic sound and multichannel to home listeners and movie theater audiences began in 1952, with several conflicting systems eventually being developed over the many years following up to today: the Bell Labs Westrex Noiseless Stereophonic System, the oddball Emory Cook system, Cinerama, Cinemascope, Todd-AO, ORTF, Westrex-Snow Bridging Network Hybrid, O.R.T.F., Blumlein, D.I.N., N.O.S., London Phase 4, Mercury Living Presence, Columbia Stereophonic Sound, The "Les Paul Sound", Capitol Stereophonic Sound, Tomita, Triphonic, Tetrasonic, several flavors of quadriphonic: CD-4, discrete, SQ; Hafler matrix pseudo-quad, Sensurround, Dolby Stereo, Dolby 5.1, 7.1, Circle sound, DTS, and many more. On Jun 4, 2008, at 8:26 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Actually, there is no stereo in nature. It's a mono > world and 'stereo' in an affectation; an electronic > trick. The cross couple error signal that makes > stereo, is its own Achilles Heel. Some engineers > believe that trinaural relieves all the shortcomings > of binaural (stereo). Supposedly in trinaural, the > music information comes from the center instead of the > right/left ping pong listening experience. > > Kevin -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sun Jun 8 02:14:24 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 19:14:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc In-Reply-To: <039CD6B03C654319A2FD24FF0FD16821@GrahamNPC> References: <039CD6B03C654319A2FD24FF0FD16821@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <662FAC17-ACE1-432D-BB4C-72D0D0567BC0@kvglabs.com> I'd have to concur -- for this particular circumstance I think the project would benefit from the enhancement of a Pioneer with a FLEX circuit. On Jun 2, 2008, at 9:00 AM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > I'm going to be sacrilegious here and suggest you don't buy a > Nakamichi deck but a Pioneer with a FLEX circuit. My own is a > CTS830S. Marc Hugo describes it nicely, "FLEX is very clever > really, by assuming a standard frequency curve/distribution for > recorded music, and boosting any frequencies where these are > deficient, not only due to alignment or azimuth problems but due to > wear (loss of magnetic particles) or loss of magnetic retentivity. > And this, azimuth control cannot do.The range of frequencies subject > to boosting seems to cover the entire spectrum and is not just more > straightforward HF lift effect of Play Trim. If anyone has not tried > this feature with a truly knackered, old tape......it's quite an eye/ > ear opener!! But if you put in a nice, newly recorded > cassette...........hmmmm, nothing. You just can't catch it out!!" > Some may argue that the Pioneers, even at that end of the spectrum, > are not " high fidelity". Well, it's no ZX-9 or a Dragon, or ZXL > but ... they don't have FLEX. If the "deterioration" of the tape is > not merely azimuth alignment, as you can get when replaying a tape > made on one machine and placed back on another, and it's genuine > fading, then none of those machines can bring back the "life" in the > music as well as a "higher end" end Pioneer with FLEX. Marc later > said, "FLEX 1-F spectrum analysing is rather like a journalist. What > he doesn't know, he makes up. However, less dramatic and far more > accurate!! " > > So, if what interests you is the MUSIC rather than purist "hi fi", > this is how I would - how I DO - do it. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of satbir singh > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:11 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc > > Hi. I went to india and searched for someone with old cassettes > with recordings that are priceless to me. i found this small shop > and bought a bunch of cassettes ~100. thing is the shop owner > copied the cassettes for me using one of those high speed cassette > duplicating machines onto t-series "sensation" cassettes. probably > not the highest quality. > > I'd like to buy a cassette deck, play the cassettes into my pc > soundcard (emu 1212m), and digitize them basically, and then sell > the cassette deck. What deck would be sufficient for my needs? I > can, if it will be worth it, stretch my pocket & buy something like > the dragon (i asked someone and they said the dragon's too much > trouble for a newb though), but only if it's worth it. The quality > is already diminished so I'd like to get a deck that will do the > best extracting what is there. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sun Jun 8 02:25:22 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 19:25:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 In-Reply-To: <8EFF6690492C4B77A9EC74589DFA28FC@GrahamNPC> References: <8EFF6690492C4B77A9EC74589DFA28FC@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <906AD801-3738-40C3-8E24-173B2DC56BBA@kvglabs.com> Hi Gra' On Jun 4, 2008, at 3:18 AM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > I have a lot of sympathy for that point of view. All my tuners > sound better > to my ear when they are set to mono. (My mono Leak Troughline is > especially > pleasing to my ear.) IMO some recordings do some better in mono > anyway - for > example, piano solos. I also feel that some stereo recordings > exaggerate > the stereo you would hear in real life - presumably some of this "bad" > effect is created on the mixing desk. Kermit? Any thoughts on this? > This may surprise you, but I was taught to mix a multitrack recording down to monaural first and to use a single mike, called a pilot, to determine the placement of a stereo mike array before beginning the actual stereo work. Why? Because a mono recording will reveal the smallest errors in recording and mixing technique. Phasing problems are immediately apparent. If the recordist hasn't left "room" for each instrument in the mix the mistake will be glaringly obvious as the instrument will become thin, buried or muddy in the mono test mix. Similarly, the pilot mike will leave no doubt where the best placement is -- if you're in the wrong place either the balance of the instruments will be incorrect or the pilot mike will give you that hollow in-the-barrel-sound caused by excessive room resonance at the microphone's position. Never forget, all recordings are an auditory illusion made possible because of the complexities of how the human mind perceives sound, a discipline referred to as psychoacoustics. The quality of the illusion diminishes as the circumstances stray from ideal conditions, or as quality losses accrue within the equipment, errors are made in the execution of the technique or the playback environment is deteriorated by poor acoustics or intrusion of unwanted noises. Unfortunately, few recordings of any type are made well, stereo especially so. Too many things can go wrong, too many errors can be made. I think too few engineers are willing to obsess over every aspect of the recording process. Therefore, most recordings are compromised to some extent, many egregiously so. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sun Jun 8 02:35:02 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 19:35:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Offline: Nakamichi 430 FM Tuner In-Reply-To: <227374.57079.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <227374.57079.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi(gh) Bob, I made my yagi from a dipole, of course, with four directors, and hand tweaked the bandwidth to be peak between 80 Megacycles and 100 Megacycles. It ended up being between a yagi-uda and a log-periodic. My receiver has a 75 Ohm input, so I made the antenna 75 Ohms characteristic impedance with RG9 coax running to the receiver, eliminating the need for any matching network. I'm no expert in antenna design so it was a frustrating project getting it to work properly. On Jun 4, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: > Kermit, I would also use a good quality 300 ohm twin lead as the > feed line since it has less loss at 100 mhz. I believe a yagi > antenna has an impedence of around 35 ohms??? the yagi must have > some kind of match so it will match the impedence of the twin lead. > What kind of matching have you used? Bob N > > Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Mark, > > The sensitivity, selectivity and front-end noise of the 430 and ST-7 > are similar, neither has any advantage with regard to sensitivity. > The 430 has a more-aggressive muting circuit which can mask weak > stations. The ST-7 has a superior AFC circuit, so it doesn't drift > off station as much, although the 430 drifts far less than most > receivers, even new ones, and should be regarded as quite > satisfactory. I do not think any stations transmit FM Dolby anymore, > the format wasn't popular because receiving sets had the decoder, > except for a few quality models. Also, stations weren't anxious to > spend the money for the quite-expensive enciders along with the > ongoing license fees to Dolby (although some stations could obtain > exemptions to the license fee requirements). > > My suggestion is that you're looking to the wrong solution to > receiving weak stations. You have a fabulous tuner already, what you > need is a better antenna. Skip the 430, get a fabulous antenna. For > AM reception, nothing beats a longwire antenna or a large loop > antenna, especially with a tunable trap to improve selectivity. For > FM reception, I'd recommend a good wideband yagi to improve off-axis > rejection and reduce multipath reflections. If you're in a fringe > reception area, a wideband RF preamplifier may be desirable. You can > make one cheaply from two FETs and only a few passive components > built into a small metal box. Remember that FM propagation is line- > of-sight, so reception of faint stations beyond 25 to 50 miles or so > is not a realistic expectation, unless you live in flat, open > terrain. I don't know who makes such antenna new any more, I've > always made my own antennae. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sun Jun 8 03:01:41 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:01:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Why keeping marring Marr?? In-Reply-To: <854640.19215.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <854640.19215.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Guys, I've been reading this thread with keen interest. Let me give you some food for thought. Some of you know I run an audio R&D lab, and manufacture high-end custom audio equipment and musical instruments, principally for recording or for musical performance. I'm routinely approached by interested parties to design and manufacture a product for the consumer market, and not a week goes by when someone gives me an excellent suggestion for a consumer audio product. Despite the high degree of interest, I admit my focus remains on products for professional studios and full-time professional performing musicians, and, at best, I'm lukewarm to entering the consumer market -- and in many ways, not at all interested. A very dear friend has been encouraging me to enter the consumer market and I'm doing so merely on the strength of that friendship, but with great trepidation. Why? Well, it's not a lack of confidence, I have no worries my designs would be among the finest in their respective market segments, and would be well received by the marketplace. So what's the hang-up, you ask? Simple: I have quite finite resources, and my ill health leaves me without enough time to pursue everything I'd like to do. So, I have to make hard choices where to put my limited resources and even more limited time to best use. So every time I've contemplated making a consumer audio product, (regardless whether it's an amp, a speaker or a maintenance accessory for cassette decks) I log on to my email only too see a flow of invective as this group or one of the others I frequent savages some poor soul like Fred, who I believe is trying to do his bit to help preserve cassette decks; or some utterly ridiculous squabblefest debating things that professionals take for granted as truths -- like whether demagnetizing really works or other such nonsense. After taking a deep breath after reading the latest rounds of tar-and feather banquets, this gets my thinking running along these lines: "Do I really want to make and sell ANY consumer product to ANY market segment only to have to endure the tsunami of shrieking screeds, the torrents of trash talking, and the blizzards of bloviation that will inevitably result?" So far, my answer has been: NO! Why should I take the rish when I know I won't have to put up with this sort of thing in the professional audio market. Think about what a disincentive it is to others who may want to start making things for this market. You have no idea how many Nakamichi-related projects I've dropped over the past. The latest casualty has been the track height calibration cassette. Recently, a fellow list member phoned me inquiring how I was managing to make these test tapes. Honestly, I was thrilled to tell him and give him the project. My thinking was, "Good. Let him make the tapes and put up with getting dragged over the coals by certain Naktalkers for making the tapes." Afterward, I felt a bit guilty about setting him up to get savaged later on. (Sorry, man, I got selfish!) On Jun 7, 2008, at 8:22 AM, shanti ramachandran wrote: > Gra, > > I second this 100%. lets give Fred a chance. > > Ram > > Graham A Nelson wrote: > Guys, > > I am not addressing everyone here. > > I'm getting sick of all the "let's shoot at Fred and in public..." > stuff. I have no axe to grind but some of you will think I am not > technically qualified in these matters to make any point about it > all anyway. However, as I stand on the sidelines all I see is a guy > trying to make a handful, not fist full, of $s, by trying to do it > to satisfy a need in a VERY niche and finite market. Nothing wrong > with that - it's business but then, this isn't big business - it's > minnows in a sea of sharks. To do that he needs to get the product > right. We have a vested interested in seeing that he DOES get it > right. So, PUBLIC sniping does no good for Fred and his motivation > to even bother, and it sure as Hell does no good to us, not only as > a Nak community but also as Nak consumers! Fred knows he can't sell > the belts if they are not what the customers want. It's a basic > rule of business retailing: If you don't offer what punters want > they won't buy. If they do buy and the product falls short, they > won't buy them again AND they'll tell all their mates the product is > cr#p. He's not daft, he knows that; so, it's not in Fred's interest > to create a cr#p belt. Simple business economics, never mind > ethics. So, I appeal to all who can, tell him, show him, what you > want. He will listen because he must listen if he is going to > create something you'd want to buy, something you won't slam into > the floor and tell your mates it's cr#p. Otherwise, what's the > point of spending dosh in making something that no one will buy?? > So, if you think he's dug in a hole, help him out, not throw soil on > top. If he's fallen down on some aspect of the product or service, > don't kick him while he's down - show him what's wrong. And for > G#ds sake, try to be more discrete if what you have to say is > negative, so he has a chance to get it right without a spotlight of > public gaze because it is self-evidently, Fred is still developing > the belts. It will do no good for any of us if we shoot down his > enterprise even before it's got off the runway! He needs more > feedback. Nothing wrong with saying "Fred, this is rubbish > because ..." But give the guy a chance to get it right before you > tell the whole damned World. Discretion is good because a) it > serves no purpose slamming him or his developing product in public > and b) these negative vibes don't make the Nak group a happy > community nor one that encourages people to stay in it. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Jun 7 22:43:29 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:43:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FW: New Ebay scores? The weaknesses in the scoring system. In-Reply-To: <060720080226.2455.4849F1ED00013BD00000099722230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> References: <4849BE93.10606@marrscommunications.com> <060720080226.2455.4849F1ED00013BD00000099722230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <484AF2F1.4010200@marrscommunications.com> Hi Geoffrey, PayPal sent me a payment notification that looked different? I started reading the notification which explained how this "new improved" policy, to better protect buyers worked. I immediately went to PayPal and Refunded the customers payment, explaining he had done nothing wrong, but PayPal placed a "hold" on his payment. I also explained, until he received the items purchased, and " Left Positive Feedback " I would NOT receive my money. I decided right then, I was not going to let eBay, PayPal or Anyone, Dictate When, or IF, I get my money. Over 50% of buyers Never leave feedback, and both eBay and PayPal know this. This has now happened 3 or 4 times, and I handled all cases the same way. All but 1 customer, just sent payment Directly by PayPal, calling the purchase "goods other", with no problem. I also copied all documents and messages to my customers, including copies of the purchase and the credits, and Forwarded this to eBay, PayPal and the Attorney General, of the state of Texas. So as it stands right now, if the buyer never leaves feedback, or leaves Negative Feedback, your screwed. Now does this sound like a policy some bean counter dreamed up or what? I ask eBay and PayPal, if you went to Best Buy and purchased a new Flat Panel, and ask " can I pay you When, and If, I feel like it" would Best Buy let them leave the store with the purchase? No Reply, I wonder Why. Until just before, this new policy went into effect, I had a 100% Feedback rating. Which means even with the new rating formula, I would still have 100%. Take a look at my Negatives since the new policy went into effect, and tell me the Buyers don't have the advantage. Sellers are leaving eBay in droves. Fred M. ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: > Persons who say that either buyers or sellers are more guilty > of unethical behavior are either deluding themselves or are > simply biased because they are unfortunate enough to have being > victimized. The sellers have had the upper hand by receiving payment > first and establishing their auction criteria rules. Now it seems that > Paypal has been receiving increased complaints and processing so many > refunds that they are striking back and letting the sellers feel some > of that heat by making some tweaks. Raising fees, and holding payment > till the transaction is processed seem to be the result. Is it fair? I > don't know. Only time will tell > > -------------- Original message from Marrs Communications > : -------------- > > Hi Graham, > > You hit the nail, right dead center on the head. If fact, I will > go as far to say, over 50% of buyers try to figure "Angles" to get > something for nothing. It's not because they don't have the > money, It's a challenge to see if they can pull one over on you. > In the long run, eBay will regret the last several "improvements" > they made. Have you noticed, in the last 2 months the "new today" > listings are about 1/2 in quantity of what they use to be? > Sellers are fed up. Their fees are ridiculous. If using both eBay > and PayPal, their combined fees are 15 to 20% of your sales in > dollars. $19.95 sale nets you $16.95 to $15.96, excluding > freight, but not including cost of goods and the sellers freight > to him. The l! ast 2 m onths my eBay invoice have been $400.00 > each month, NOT including the PayPal fees. And now PayPal wants > to hold payment on the Seller, until the Buyer receives the item > and LEAVES POSITIVE FEEDBACK. Paypal is on Drugs. I am thinking > about doing sales through my web site only. Fred M. > > Graham A Nelson wrote: > >> This is off topic but I thought it might interest some of the Nak >> list guys. If not, you know the subject and you can ignore it. >> It's also a bit long but I'm hypomanic at the moment! >> >> I beg to differ with your overall argument. In my experience, in >> bricks and mortar retail, there are plenty of customers who are >> unreasonable and quite happy to spread their "false" tales of >> "horrendous" service to anyone who will listen. I know it's not >> entirely relevant to eBay but Fred's experience with a customer >> who complained about something that Fred didn't even sell him is >> not that rare! I've seen it, too. But perhaps more common >> will be customers who expect Roll Royce service for Trabant >> money! Oh boy, they complain loudly! "I bought a $50 dining >> table and the wood grain of the legs don't match." >> >> It is known to "customer service" experts the world over that >> every unhappy customers will tell at least seven potential >> customers about the supplier who aggrieves them. Those tales are >> not necessarily true but the dissatisfied customer's perception >> of what happened is in error. >> >> Arising from this knowledge comes the old retail adage "the >> customer is always right, even when he's wrong." So, you pander >> to them even though that customer is then losing you money. >> (Right Fred? I was thinking of the guy who thought you sold him >> a belt that you didn't sell him ...) In bricks and mortar retail >> one such customer, one who IS wrong, can and will tell seven >> but on eBay he may tell at least seven thousand of people about >> their misconceived experience! And now , knowing there is no >> right of reply, I've little doubt a significant proportion of >> them will over-egg their position. Indeed, I KNOW they will over >> egg it and "put the boot in! " anyway because they are angry and >> people who are angry usually over react. (Never mind hitting >> someone when a gun will do!) >> >> For example, the common complaint: "The SOB hasn't delivered ..." >> But the goods are late because of the Postal >> service...nevertheless, some dissatisfied customer are trigger >> happy. He accuses the seller of ripping him off, complains to >> eBay and gives negative feedback. That's just great! Especially >> when they are wrong and don't realise it! Why, I had one >> customer , South Korea who was unhappy because a Thorens TT I >> sold him hadn't arrived 5 days after the eBay auction was >> completed - and they were calendar days not working days!. For >> goodness sake, he was in S Korea and I'm in the UK!) I could >> have shipped it A BIT quicker but not that fas! t! ; (A bit >> because I didn't expect his payment to be received by my bank 6 >> hours after the transaction ... credits that fast just don't >> happen between seller and buyer even in the UK unless you pay >> cash, so I didn't anticipate his money quite so fast. So, I got >> the message, "My money has been in your account for 3 days and >> you have not despatched the turntable... Are you a crook. When >> you send my turntable!! I will report you to eBay!" he >> complained and threatened, and he did just that. >> >> (Similarly, people will often over egg their satisfaction >> because it's human nature to try to be nice! e.g. "Actually, >> the product wasn't that good but he was such a nice guy to deal >> with I'll say I am satisfied." ) >> >> But the seller cannot answer unfair criticism. Plus, the buyer >> doesn't see the REAL service delivery behind the scores anyway. >> >> And besides the real customer service research experts agree >> that conventional but crude satisfaction scores, like >> those being used on eBay, produce more extreme results than is >> actually the case . There are OTHER more sophisticated methods >> of measuring satisfaction that are more accurate. What >> this crude satisfaction scale does is encourage people who >> may actually be just "satisfied" to be more likely to say they >> are "very satisfied", while those who are "dissatisfied" will >> tend to b! e polar ised as well . A more sophisticated scale >> usually show s the largest proportion of customers are actually >> floating around the middle! >> >> Even 99% customer service marketers don't understand this so it >> comes as no surprise that Joe Soap/John Doe also interprets the >> same results literally when they ought not be . They >> don't understand data from this kind of satisfaction scale is >> inherently inaccuracy. For example, if you see 99% >> satisfaction from the crude scale it's quite likely the more >> sophisticated method may show only only 50% were satisfied, 5% >> were very satisfied, maybe 8% were dissatisfied, and the rest >> were ambivalent ! Moreover, a handful of VERY dissatisfied >> scores will drag ! down th e average ... and as I have mentioned >> before, those very dissatisfied scores may be plain wrong or >> unfair in the extreme of their marks. >> >> In other words, this kind of scale that eBay are using, and the >> reporting of the statistics is unfair to sellers and it doesn't >> help buyers too well, either ! >> >> So, why won't eBay use a more sophisticated method of evaluating >> buyer (and seller) satisfaction? I don't know - you'd have to >> ask them, but it's quite possible give survey technology on the >> internet, much more easy than it is on a paper survey. >> >> So, what's the solution? Personally, I'd like to see eBay allow >> scores on both sides, AND plenty of space for potential buyers >> and sellers to see the justifications, defend their scores and >> answer the replies. This would aid both sides to spot who are >> the bad sellers AND the "compulsive litigant" buyers that crawl >> around eBay. ( Remember, the USA probably has the highest rate >> of "compulsive litigants" in the World - no where else are there >> more people who are prepared to "sue" over the slightest thing. >> It's getting that way in the UK but at least we don't have >> "ambulance chasers" ... yet. These people complain if you so >> much as sneeze and demand compensation for a bit of spittle on >> the surface. They are unreasonable, they complain unfairly and >> they are growing in number and populating! eBay!! ! ) >> >> In short, I think you are much too kind about buyers. I believe >> I have seen plenty of evidence to show me that there are at least >> as many unreasonable buyers as there are bad sellers. In all my >> trading on eBay, I've I've bought nigh on 150 , and sold about >> 10-20 items , but I have also been ripped off by only one >> seller, and I've also been ripped off by one buyer. In fact, >> personal experience aside, as a researcher I think what I >> have enough evidence to shows me there are many more unreasonable >> buyers than sellers. >> >> Regards >> >> Gra' >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net [mailto:ddino77 at bellsouth.net] >> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:06 AM >> To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi >> Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] New Ebay scores? >> >> I could not disagree more. Yes. I'm sure there are jerks who >> try unscrupulous schemes on both sides. However, do 90% of >> purchases online or off line (brick-n-mortar) involve >> feedback from merchants about >> experiences with every client? If a store owner >> dislikes the buyers attitude or behavior, he is welcome to >> invite the person to leave the shop. Does Yahoo et al run >> across the occasional dead beat? Therefore it seems to me, >> that a seller can reject or block an individual bidder if he >> has such reservations. Right? Listen, why offer a used >> component online if you cannot tolerate the risk of running >> across Mr Hyde if all you want to deal with is Mr. Jekyll? I >> look for a sellers' feedback trends and customer relations >> attitude before hitting the completion key. Trends are far >> more reliable an indicator than one or two flames from the Mr >> Hydes. 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jun 7 23:22:01 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:22:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] PRB Belt Gauge Message-ID: <12031353.1212873721706.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I agree totally. The PRB belt-o-meter is a subjective guide, not a measurement tool. Comparing circumfrence between flat belts is best done by hanging both on a pencil and comparing tightness by drawing a second pencil to a modest amount of stretch (described in an earlier post). I have posted micrometer measurements and included the PRB "measurement" as a guide in the past. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: rayr0683 at comcast.net >Sent: Jun 7, 2008 10:53 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] PRB Belt Gauge > >Hello All, > > I have several Belt Gauges, such as the PRB. I have an MCM, and also a newer one I received, which was still PRB, But the Russel Ind. Look to it. I have to say, these gauges can be misused. It all depends how much pressure one applies, when measuring a Belt. It doesnt take very much of a difference in pressure to give different readings, from different individuals. Also, at the end of the Gauges there are Slots for measuring the thickness of different types of belts. But each person who uses the device, can make changes based on their technique of handling/measuring the belts, in thickness, and diameter. I have seen this happen plenty over the years, also you really need to know the condition of the belts prior to measuring, being certain that they are actually new, havent been stretched by anything, etc....the history of the belt, and where it came from. Thats why its nice to have a reference to look at, such as the PRB Belt Guide Book, for Tape Players and ! > Turntab >les, listed by manufacturer...then you can check your technique, based on your measurements against those in the PRB/Russel Industries Belt Reference Guide. Im just writing this because I have used these gauges for years, doing many repairs, especially with Reel to Reel and VCR Players.....and with many of the Auto Audio Devices for years working at H&R Radio. Plenty of belt changing/ordering there, so lots of measurements with this gauge. > Ray >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jun 7 23:27:16 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:27:16 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems Message-ID: <17944399.1212874036686.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jun 7 23:36:01 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:36:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help with calibrating Level Meters Message-ID: <31833613.1212874561561.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hifibymcintosh at yahoo.com Sat Jun 7 23:45:39 2008 From: hifibymcintosh at yahoo.com (D B) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 14:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: New ebay scores. The weakness in the scoring system In-Reply-To: <210910.65722.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <534907.56645.qm@web45208.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> My hats off to you Kevin. I couldn't have said it any better. Excellent !!!!!!! Big Dave Kevin Fetner wrote: Actually, I think there is a bias to this depending on whether you are a seller or a buyer. And even then, if you sell occasionally (like I do), there is a different perspective given from a volume or 'power seller'. Having done both (buying and selling), I always thought there were gross discrepancies with the feedback system on ebay. As a person who is 100% honest, I have been the victim of many seller scams in vintage electronics. I was also afraid to post negative feedback because of the VERY juvenile feedback wars going on. Yes, you can read all the feedback of the transaction and get a good gist of what went on and how it was handled, but how many others really do that? In fact, many of the sellers are so stupidly inept, that they don't even know they show their dishonesty in their own retaliatory feedback answers. In any event as Mike said, there is no way to protect yourself from deadbeat or unscrupulous buyers (as a seller with an item listed), because they often bid at the last minute or snipe bid. It's also correct in point that if as a buyer, you pay for the item immediately, get said item(s) horribly late, or not as described and/or poorly packed etc (I've begged them to pack well and they didn't), you as a buyer have done nothing wrong. It is your right to leave negative feedback if the seller does not make the transaction above board. You shouldn't be afraid (with the old ebay system) that making a legitimate complaint will garner you some juvenile attack response in retaliatory feedback from a less-than-honest seller. I always thought that the way to handle buyers who never leave a feedback rating was to let a certain amount of time go by and if there was no feedback given, then the seller gets automatic 'positive' with no written text involved. That would tell 'all' that there was no feedback given by the buyer and he/she would be more inclined to give it next time-especially if they got screwed in the deal. Conversely, that same 'automatic' concept would also work if the seller didn't bother to leave feedback. So, say what you want about the new system, but the old one was horribly broken and wanting. The only way I maintained a 100% rating was to let feedback to the unscrupulous, miscreant sellers pass. I knew I'd get negative back and have my score ruined. Due to the low volume I have, it would have taken it down to the low 90's which would make most assume I was a deadbeat buyer. One nak poster here was playing a 'game' with feedback scores as a buyer-in that he would wait until the last possible deadline moment to post negative feedback, in the hope that the seller wouldn't have time to post juvenile, retaliatory feedback back. Come on folks, that's not a system that was 'working'. Most of the people I read about that are disgruntled with the new system are sellers. Sure, there are buyers who can now 'work' the system, but I would bet the majority of buyers on ebay don't. And furthermore, I can now rest easily that some miscreant seller won't give me negative, juvenile retaliatory feedback on a transaction that he bumbled through no fault of my own. Ebay should have passed along a survey of possible solutions to their feedback system to all members. That would have been the logical ideal, but that might have cost their 'garage sale' system, $$. It's always about the $$ folks, follow the money trail for the answers you seek in a company's motivations ('bottom line'). Ethics only bum a ride or occasionally wind up by happenstance, on the money 'train' to riches. Kevin Actually, I think there is quite a lot of significant things that goes with buyers which can be rated: Do they complete the transaction, or mess about? Do they pay promptly? Do they reply to communications in a timely fashion? (Do they reply at all?!) Are they reasonable esp. with regard to their rating of the buyer and their aftersales demands? There are more I am sure but my brain is faddled and I can't think of them at the mo'! We are also in agreement that sellers ought to be able to challenge/amend feedback given by buyers when it is plain wrong/unfair. As an aside, in comparing notes with Jeff, where I have had very few problems buying (and selling ) in eBay, while he's had a belly full, we noted that there is a big difference between what he and I do - i.e. he buys Nak things whereas I have only ever bought one Nak item on eBay, and the rest have been an assortment of other things. So, I am left wondering if the problem of cheats is peculiar with premium products, not least Nakamichi hi fi... Cheers, Gra' ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 7 Jun 2008, at 08:05 am, Graham A Nelson wrote: > Guys, >   > I am not addressing everyone here. >   > I'm getting sick of all the "let's shoot at Fred and in public..." > stuff.   I have no axe to grind but some of you will think I am not > technically qualified in these matters to make any point about it all > anyway.  However, as I stand on the sidelines all I see is a guy > trying to make a handful, not fist full, of $s, by trying to do it to > satisfy a need in a VERY niche and finite market.  Nothing wrong with > that - it's  business but then, this isn't big business - it's minnows > in a sea of sharks. To do that he needs to get the product right.  We > have a vested interested in seeing that he DOES get it right.  So, > PUBLIC sniping does no good for Fred and his motivation to even > bother, and it sure as Hell does no good to us, not only as a Nak > community but also as Nak consumers!  Fred knows he can't sell the > belts if they are not what the customers want.  It's a basic rule of > business retailing:  If you don't offer what punters want they won't > buy.  If they do buy and the product falls short, they won't buy them > again AND they'll tell all their mates the product is cr#p.  He's not > daft, he knows that; so, it's not in Fred's interest to create a cr#p > belt.  Simple business economics, never mind ethics.   So, I appeal to > all who can, tell him, show him, what you want.  He will listen > because he must listen if he is going to create something you'd want > to buy, something you won't slam into the floor and tell your mates > it's cr#p.  Otherwise, what's the point of spending dosh in making > something that no one will buy??  So, if you think he's dug in a hole, > help him out, not throw soil on top.  If he's fallen down on some > aspect of the product or service, don't kick him while he's down - > show him what's wrong.  And for G#ds sake, try to be more discrete if > what you have to say is negative, so he has a chance to get it right > without a spotlight of public gaze because it is self-evidently, Fred > is still developing the belts.  It will do no good for any of us if we > shoot down his enterprise even before it's got off the runway!   He > needs more feedback.  Nothing wrong with saying "Fred, this is rubbish > because ..." But give the guy a chance to get it right before you tell > the whole damned World.  Discretion is good because a) it serves no > purpose slamming him or his developing product in public and b) these > negative vibes don't make the Nak group a happy community nor one that > encourages people to stay in it. > > Gra' >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf Of Marrs Communications >> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:40 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS and Final >> Statement "AGAIN" >> Importance: High >> >>                                                                 (  >> For the sake of members that are sick of hearing about this subject, >> please send any responses to:  >> marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com  ) >> >> Hello Tom, Jeff, ddino77, and all Naktalk Members, >> >> In Response to questions ask, or statements made.                  >> >> >> I placed the 2nd order for the "D" after my purchase of the T-100,  >> and saw for myself the belt would meet specifications.  I made a >> previous post about this, listing the machines used in the test. . >> >> Tom, I   >> >> Thanks to everyone, Fred M. >> >> >> >>>  ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John Gipps is using a generic belt from Wagner in Australia. Its dimensions in the Wagner catalog are I believe 75mm circ x 5mm wide x .02 mm thick. You can also reference John's recent post on the subject of belt measurements for more information. Jeff W **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Jun 8 00:53:14 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:53:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS and Final Statement "AGAIN" In-Reply-To: <060720080330.13237.484A00D0000925E4000033B522230680329B0A0 2D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> References: <060520081554.24956.48480C1D0005A6670000617C22216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> <4849AE94.3090001@marrscommunications.com> <060720080330.13237.484A00D0000925E4000033B522230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <20080607225313.QZTM10620.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Amen to that!!! I did have to remove about ten responses from this post as it was superfluous to leave it there. I've been on the sidelines and just keeping quiet because it wasn't my place to say anything because I was not testing Fred's belts but I did read reports of those who did. I have to say I've had my fill of this senseless, mindless, childish backstabbing of Fred. I do no know him and I've never bought anything from him. It is high time that someone give Fred the credit was sticking his neck out and his wallet to provide a service and source contact for an item that we all will eventually need. I own a Dragon and I've no clue what I need for it but I will contact Fred when I do need something. That man has gone out of his way to please people. He'll have my business when I need anything he might sell. At 11:30 PM 6/6/2008, you wrote: >Fred. You have in your power to make are lives of NAK members much >better by having done all the work to find a quality replacement for >the holly grail of belts used on the preeminent classic transport, >and we are very grateful. Roland From greynlds at gmail.com Sun Jun 8 02:20:04 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:20:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: New ebay scores. The weakness in the scoring system In-Reply-To: <210910.65722.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <210910.65722.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0FA138330B784A2FA819F906F0EC81B9@geoffprimary> From: "Kevin Fetner" > So, say what you want about the new system, but the > old one was horribly broken and wanting. The only way > I maintained a 100% rating was to let feedback to the > unscrupulous, miscreant sellers pass. I knew I'd get > negative back and have my score ruined. Due to the low > volume I have, it would have taken it down to the low > 90's which would make most assume I was a deadbeat > buyer. One nak poster here was playing a 'game' with > feedback scores as a buyer-in that he would wait until > the last possible deadline moment to post negative > feedback, in the hope that the seller wouldn't have > time to post juvenile, retaliatory feedback back. Come > on folks, that's not a system that was 'working'. I'm the one who had mentioned what you refer to as a 'game' in waiting until the last possible moment to leave feedback. With the old system, it was the only way to guarantee avoiding retaliatory feedback while still giving the other party the feedback that was warranted by how the transaction was handled. I only did this a few times and it was because it was obvious that the seller had clear intentions to strike back with a retaliatory negative if I left them a negative. Letting feedback to bad sellers pass because you were afraid of getting a blemish in return really wasn't the right thing to do either as it does a disservice to other people who might buy from that seller. Yes, the old system was broken, but IMHO the new system is even worse - just because they changed it doesn't mean they made an already flawed system better. The correct way to handle this problem, I think, is to effectively have an escrow service handle the feedback. Each party gets some number of days to submit feedback. Once feedback has been received by both parties OR the number of days expire, the feedback is made public, each party can send 1 follow-up if they received anything other than positive feedback, and the feedback process for that transaction is then closed. Retaliatory feedback is eliminated, one problem solved. I think I'm done on this topic, as it's clear that there are a couple of schools of thought on the eBay feedback system, it's unlikely everyone is going to agree, and it's obviously not on topic for this list. -- Geoffrey Reynolds From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Jun 8 02:37:31 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 17:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belt Measurements - Fred take notice In-Reply-To: <000301c8c260$f31e5740$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Message-ID: <411037.2778.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Finally I received teh Fred's Belt I sat down and measured it to check what is in store I had bought 8096C belt from Stephan Sank - about 8 years back - it had arrow marking. I also bought the same belt from B&W UK as well as APHUSA - recently in 2006 without any arrow marking. I have invoices from these two sources and kept in plastic bags. I also have replaced streched belts with arrow markings. replaced on many machines including an RX 505 a month back , an ZX 7 /581 about four years back   All the three source 8096 C belts measure   235mm circumference Fred's equivalent measure - 248 mm Streched 8096C ones ( removed 8096C because they sound definitely bad - you realize this after replacement with correct one not before in some occasions !)- 256 mm to 260 mm - 10% more than correct size       I have not measured the thickness as all looked same to me - since Fred' belt were measured for thickness by others, I will wait for a deck to test his belt for wow and flutter measurement as well as thickness using calipers.   since more than three to four of us are measureing Fred' belt atleast 10 mm more in circumference than 8096C - he should try the correct circumference in his next batch rather than repeating that his measurement is right.   This is my sincere advice to Fred   Kannan I am keeping nore than 6 streched belts with me wondering why - now I realize how handy it is to check its measurement against original --- On Fri, 5/30/08, rjkent at comcast.net <rjkent at comcast.net> wrote: From: rjkent at comcast.net <rjkent at comcast.net> Subject: [naktalk] Belt Measurements To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 10:25 AM It is good to see that John Gipps and my measurements of the 82702A, 8096C, and Fred’s 8096D are extremely close....these should be reliable measurements: John Gipps: CR-3 belt from ESL: 78.3mm X 5mm - length 246mm 8096C from ESL - batch 1:  74.9mm X 5mm - length 235mm 8096C from ESL - batch 2:  74.8mm X 5mm - length 235mm 8096D from Fred: 78.6mm X 5mm - length 247mm Robert Kent: 0C82702A (CR-3):  .5mm x 5.1mm x 250mm 0C80634A (CR-4, 5, 7):  .46mm x 6.2mm x 226mm 0C08096C (670ZX, 682ZX, RX505):  .51mm x 5.1mm x 236mm Marrs 8096D belt:  .52mm x 5.1mm x 248mm Robert Kent    ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Sun Jun 8 02:55:46 2008 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:55:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 In-Reply-To: <906AD801-3738-40C3-8E24-173B2DC56BBA@kvglabs.com> References: <8EFF6690492C4B77A9EC74589DFA28FC@GrahamNPC> <906AD801-3738-40C3-8E24-173B2DC56BBA@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <112a7fe30806071755r33971971mef12d3cac808d7c@mail.gmail.com> Kermit,Thank you so much for your answer concerning microphones.Wealth of info!Best regards,M On 6/7/08, Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Gra' > > On Jun 4, 2008, at 3:18 AM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > >> I have a lot of sympathy for that point of view. All my tuners >> sound better >> to my ear when they are set to mono. (My mono Leak Troughline is >> especially >> pleasing to my ear.) IMO some recordings do some better in mono >> anyway - for >> example, piano solos. I also feel that some stereo recordings >> exaggerate >> the stereo you would hear in real life - presumably some of this "bad" >> effect is created on the mixing desk. Kermit? Any thoughts on this? >> > > This may surprise you, but I was taught to mix a multitrack recording > down to monaural first and to use a single mike, called a pilot, to > determine the placement of a stereo mike array before beginning the > actual stereo work. Why? Because a mono recording will reveal the > smallest errors in recording and mixing technique. Phasing problems > are immediately apparent. If the recordist hasn't left "room" for each > instrument in the mix the mistake will be glaringly obvious as the > instrument will become thin, buried or muddy in the mono test mix. > Similarly, the pilot mike will leave no doubt where the best placement > is -- if you're in the wrong place either the balance of the > instruments will be incorrect or the pilot mike will give you that > hollow in-the-barrel-sound caused by excessive room resonance at the > microphone's position. > > Never forget, all recordings are an auditory illusion made possible > because of the complexities of how the human mind perceives sound, a > discipline referred to as psychoacoustics. The quality of the illusion > diminishes as the circumstances stray from ideal conditions, or as > quality losses accrue within the equipment, errors are made in the > execution of the technique or the playback environment is deteriorated > by poor acoustics or intrusion of unwanted noises. Unfortunately, few > recordings of any type are made well, stereo especially so. Too many > things can go wrong, too many errors can be made. I think too few > engineers are willing to obsess over every aspect of the recording > process. Therefore, most recordings are compromised to some extent, > many egregiously so. > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From gunnar at degnbol.dk Sun Jun 8 11:55:37 2008 From: gunnar at degnbol.dk (Gunnar Degnbol) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 11:55:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Intermittent BX 125 problem Message-ID: <484BAC99.1070404@degnbol.dk> My BX 125 has a problem where the pause and play buttons light up a few seconds after it is turned on. When I press stop, the stop button lights up, but only for a few seconds, and then pause and play goes back on. The problem goes away as randomly as it comes, seemingly independent of what I try to do (unplug te recorder, leaving it turned on, pressing buttons etc.). What is wrong, and can I do anything about it? From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 8 16:12:19 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 07:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 In-Reply-To: <906AD801-3738-40C3-8E24-173B2DC56BBA@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <75275.9164.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra, That recordings of today are not made well is obvious, when one listens to modern CD recordings, where they( the recording gurus-not engineers) limit the lows and highs and increase volume( gain?) so the CD sounds unreasonably loud. Unfortunately, for some, louder is perceived as better! What a shame. Ram Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Gra' On Jun 4, 2008, at 3:18 AM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > I have a lot of sympathy for that point of view. All my tuners > sound better > to my ear when they are set to mono. (My mono Leak Troughline is > especially > pleasing to my ear.) IMO some recordings do some better in mono > anyway - for > example, piano solos. I also feel that some stereo recordings > exaggerate > the stereo you would hear in real life - presumably some of this "bad" > effect is created on the mixing desk. Kermit? Any thoughts on this? > This may surprise you, but I was taught to mix a multitrack recording down to monaural first and to use a single mike, called a pilot, to determine the placement of a stereo mike array before beginning the actual stereo work. Why? Because a mono recording will reveal the smallest errors in recording and mixing technique. Phasing problems are immediately apparent. If the recordist hasn't left "room" for each instrument in the mix the mistake will be glaringly obvious as the instrument will become thin, buried or muddy in the mono test mix. Similarly, the pilot mike will leave no doubt where the best placement is -- if you're in the wrong place either the balance of the instruments will be incorrect or the pilot mike will give you that hollow in-the-barrel-sound caused by excessive room resonance at the microphone's position. Never forget, all recordings are an auditory illusion made possible because of the complexities of how the human mind perceives sound, a discipline referred to as psychoacoustics. The quality of the illusion diminishes as the circumstances stray from ideal conditions, or as quality losses accrue within the equipment, errors are made in the execution of the technique or the playback environment is deteriorated by poor acoustics or intrusion of unwanted noises. Unfortunately, few recordings of any type are made well, stereo especially so. Too many things can go wrong, too many errors can be made. I think too few engineers are willing to obsess over every aspect of the recording process. Therefore, most recordings are compromised to some extent, many egregiously so. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jldcat at yahoo.com Sun Jun 8 19:18:56 2008 From: jldcat at yahoo.com (John DeVore) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 10:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc In-Reply-To: <662FAC17-ACE1-432D-BB4C-72D0D0567BC0@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <223479.82931.qm@web50102.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Good point but I disagree. You want to use a great deck with adjustable PB azimuth to get the maximum amount of information off the tapes and onto your hard drive. Once the music is digitized it will be far easier and more "high fidelity" to equalize the recordings in the digital domain, without having to rely on the Pioneer circuits "dumb" algorithmic approach. It seems to me that you want to assure maximum signal transfer at this first stage, then use a software editor to gently (or radically, your choice) equalize and edit the music to suit yourself. > Date: Saturday, June 7, 2008, 8:14 PM > I'd have to concur -- for this particular circumstance I > think the > project would benefit from the enhancement of a Pioneer > with a FLEX > circuit. > > On Jun 2, 2008, at 9:00 AM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > > > I'm going to be sacrilegious here and suggest you > don't buy a > > Nakamichi deck but a Pioneer with a FLEX circuit. My > own is a > > CTS830S. Marc Hugo describes it nicely, "FLEX is > very clever > > really, by assuming a standard frequency > curve/distribution for > > recorded music, and boosting any frequencies where > these are > > deficient, not only due to alignment or azimuth > problems but due to > > wear (loss of magnetic particles) or loss of magnetic > retentivity. > > And this, azimuth control cannot do.The range of > frequencies subject > > to boosting seems to cover the entire spectrum and is > not just more > > straightforward HF lift effect of Play Trim. If anyone > has not tried > > this feature with a truly knackered, old > tape......it's quite an eye/ > > ear opener!! But if you put in a nice, newly recorded > > > cassette...........hmmmm, nothing. You just can't > catch it out!!" > > Some may argue that the Pioneers, even at that end of > the spectrum, > > are not " high fidelity". Well, it's no > ZX-9 or a Dragon, or ZXL > > but ... they don't have FLEX. If the > "deterioration" of the tape is > > not merely azimuth alignment, as you can get when > replaying a tape > > made on one machine and placed back on another, and > it's genuine > > fading, then none of those machines can bring back the > "life" in the > > music as well as a "higher end" end Pioneer > with FLEX. Marc later > > said, "FLEX 1-F spectrum analysing is rather like > a journalist. What > > he doesn't know, he makes up. However, less > dramatic and far more > > accurate!! " > > > > So, if what interests you is the MUSIC rather than > purist "hi fi", > > this is how I would - how I DO - do it. > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > > Behalf Of satbir singh > > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:11 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] cassette deck to transfer to pc > > > > Hi. I went to india and searched for someone with old > cassettes > > with recordings that are priceless to me. i found > this small shop > > and bought a bunch of cassettes ~100. thing is the > shop owner > > copied the cassettes for me using one of those high > speed cassette > > duplicating machines onto t-series > "sensation" cassettes. probably > > not the highest quality. > > > > I'd like to buy a cassette deck, play the > cassettes into my pc > > soundcard (emu 1212m), and digitize them basically, > and then sell > > the cassette deck. What deck would be sufficient for > my needs? I > > can, if it will be worth it, stretch my pocket & > buy something like > > the dragon (i asked someone and they said the > dragon's too much > > trouble for a newb though), but only if it's worth > it. The quality > > is already diminished so I'd like to get a deck > that will do the > > best extracting what is there. > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > > ========= > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: > triodelicacy========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Jun 7 23:05:31 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:05:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS and Final Statement "AGAIN" In-Reply-To: <060720080330.13237.484A00D0000925E4000033B522230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> References: <060520081554.24956.48480C1D0005A6670000617C22216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> <4849AE94.3090001@marrscommunications.com> <060720080330.13237.484A00D0000925E4000033B522230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <484AF81B.1050707@marrscommunications.com> Hi ddino, I could not agree more. Please understand, I had a discussion with Tom on the phone about him testing the belt, After I made the purchase. I waited about 2 months to receive input from members before the purchase. I received NONE. Tom was having problems with his T-100 then but, he has always had a sample of the belt. The testing just never happened. In Tom's defense, he has a full plate most any time, and testing the "D" was not going to make him a dime. The only person I did not send a sample to that requested was Jeff G. I have no reason to distrust him! But with all of the "stuff" that was being said, and the "undercurrent " , I felt is was best to just drop the whole idea. My only complaint was this. Why did everyone wait until the belt was here before giving opinion's ? I needed them before, the belt was produced. Anyway that is HISTORY. Several members have purchased the "D" in the last 2 weeks, so it will not be long before we know. ( I know ), I will just be glad when everyone else knows. Later, Fred m. ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: > Fred. You have in your power to make are lives of NAK members much > better by having done all the work to find a quality replacement > for the holly grail of belts used on the preeminent classic transport, > and we are very grateful. However, by electing to sell this particular > belt to the believers of this particular brand, you can expect at > least some scrutiny, Meaning there will be some discussion, most good, > maybe some bad, but all impassioned about their experiences. As we all > are aware without the belt our ZXL's etc are useless once they start > to sag. Since there is only a finite quantity of the 8096C still > floating around, it would make sense to have the master techs check > the newcomer (D series) against the original to verify that indeed > it conforms to the originals standard specs (give or take by an > acceptable margin). Once this is established (through repeatable > testing of batches) the chances o! f skeptics spreading > rumors around the blog-o-sphere regarding mismatched applications > should be greatly diminished. Isn't that what you/us/we would prefer? > Then again it is not for me to decide. > > -------------- Original message from Marrs Communications > : -------------- > > ( > For the sake of members that are sick of hearing about this > subject, please send any responses to: > marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com ) > > Hello Tom, Jeff, ddino77, and all Naktalk Members, > > In Response to questions ask, or statements made. ! & > nbsp; > > > I placed the 2nd order for the "D" after my purchase of the > T-100, and saw for myself the belt would meet specifications. I > made a previous post about this, listing the machines used in the > test. . > > Tom, I did sent you a 8096-D for testing! You were having trouble > with your T-100 and could not get accurate readings, even with a > Original 8096C remember? That is the last I heard from you for > several weeks. I then requested the return of the 8096C "new old > stock belts" I purchased from ESL at $55.00 each, and included > in the test "batch" for a comparison! Included in the "batch" > was: 1 Original 8096C from ESL, 1 of 8096C from Sofh_it, ( > which is also suppose to be "Original" ), 1 of my standard > capstan belts used in my kits for the Classic Transport, and a > couple of miscellaneous belts I had al! so purc hased. I thought > I furnished you with EVERYTHING anyone would need to compare the > belts, in ANY form or fashion? I assumed you never corrected the > problem with your T-100 OR, did not want to be the bearer of bad > news ? Since I did not receive any concrete results from you , I > went "in the hunt" for a T-100. About this time, Andy was kind > enough to post his findings about the 8096-D, for which, he > received flack! Why ? He only volunteered his test results, and > did nothing wrong! This sure raised my suspicions about what was > REALLY going on. That is a whole new subject. > > As to the personal attacks you mentioned, I have received no > personal attacks from anyone in Naktalk, __ except One (1) > person, BUT had received personal attacks from him prior to > joining the group. The attacks were about what I charge for > shipping on my kits, which was non! e of hi s business to begin > with. When I was attacked by this One (1) person, some of my > Responses were NEVER ALLOWED to post on Naktalk! In addition, I > received NO defense from any of the other members, telling this > person to back off, even though everyone was aware I was in the > process of having the "D" produced? It just went on and on and > on, which put me in defense mode. That is when I made the > decision to move FORWARD and have the "D" manufactured without > any support information. It appeared to me, I was not going to > receive any support, even though this might be our LAST > OPPORTUNITY to have a NEW 8096C manufactured. Confused the hell > out of me? Now that the 8096-D is here, EVERYONE has something > to say about it. This is FINE, at least I am receiving opinions. > ( positive, negative, middle of the road). The bottom line here > is, EVERYONE had an opportunity to help me with manufacturing > decisions, but n! o one d id? Now that I have already committed > to the "D", spent the money and have the belts "in hand", everyone > has an opinion about it, Which again is FINE. I have no hard > feelings towards anyone in the group ___ well maybe One (1). > > Jeff, I can not explain why everyone but me, has what is suppose > to be, a Genuine Original 8096C that measures 9.2" ? All I have > to work with are the "Originals" I purchased from ESL. My last > post of measurements were taken using the PRB belt measuring tool. > Has PRB been providing their customers, for years, with a tool > that is not accurate? I doubt it. How is everyone else making > their measurements? I would think the tool would be The most > accurate method. The only draw back is not having a way to > measure the "wall" or thickness. I use a micrometer. As I > stated in a previous post, somewhere "out there" are thousands of > Nakamichi OCO 8096! C belts with the exact dimensions of my > 8096-D. My "D" was sold to Nakamichi as the 8096C and it met > THEIR specifications. What else can I say on that subject. > > ddino77, I did not send Jeff G. a 8096-D for testing, for > several reasons. 1. Since the only feedback I had received up to > that point was mixed, I am a little "gun shy" as to who I wanted > testing the belt. 2. When Jeff G., has both the Original 8096C > and a generic replacement that works, why would he be interested > in the 8096-D ? I can't think of any reason except to defend "his > position" in the belt world, which is FINE. I just did not want > it to be at MY expense. I have NO REASON not to trust Jeff. He > seems to be a stand up person. If I could afford it, would let > him restore one of my machines. I am just presently in the " > extra cautious " Mode. I have absolutely nothing to hide. > > Final stat! ement & nbsp; " Again " > > In closing, > > The 8096-D is a good belt. It works on the CR-3A , and It works > on the "Classic Transport ", with excellent measurements from > everything I have been told, and seen. Some people say it is too > long and say it is not a 8096C, because of this. I personally do > NOT have, or EVER had, an Original 8096C that measures 9.2"? I > have not been able to PURCHASE a 8096C that measures 9.2". Why is > that ? In addition, what difference does it make if it is longer, > as long as the fit is good, and the wow/flutter measurements are > excellent, that should be all anyone would want. I would much > rather have a belt that is longer, rather than shorter. > > Now that we have some discussion on the subject of a "True 8096C > ", I would like to repeat a statement I made in a previous post. > If the group as a Whole, can agree on what is wanted in a Genuine > 8096C REPLAC! EMENT, furnishing input about dimensions > preference, with line, without line, thinner, thicker, with > arrow, without arrow, green in color, purple in color, > whatever, and the opinions of EVERYONE is the Majority, and I > can show a return on investment in a reasonable amount of time, > I WILL HAVE THAT BELT MANUFACTURED and OFFER IT FOR A REASONABLE > PRICE. BUT, members of Naktalk need to TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT. > That is all I ask. > Please keep in mind, there is one ( 1 ) member, that would find > fault with ANY belt, he received from me. His input does NOT count. > > Thanks to everyone, Fred M. > > > > ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: > >> I just spoke to Jeff G. and he extended the same offer to test >> the 8096D but was ignored. >> >> -------------- Original message from Tom Brucker >> : -------------- >> >> Fred, >> >> I am glad you have sold enough 8096D belts to reorder from >> Japan. I would urge you as a friend to not take these belt >> discussions as a personal attack. We in the world of Nak have >> a limited supply of a critical part, and the price charged >> for that part reflects its scarcity. We are lucky to have an >> involved group willing to test various belts under different >> conditions, and a forum to share for everyone's benefit. I >> have posted my opinion about the identity of your 8096D belt. >> A group of us are collecting independent tests of several >> belts which we will post once we collect them all. >> >> I spoke with you privately before the 8096D belt arrived >> in Texas offering to test a sample before you made a bulk >> purchase. Unfortunately, for reasons unknown to me, you did >> not accept my offer. The 8096D belt is not the same belt as >> the 8096C, but it is much better than the original Marrs >> classic belt. IF we as a community can deliver what we >> believe to be the best dimensions, the correct tolerances, >> and whatever other details you need to have a "perfect" 8096C >> clone would you be willing to work with us? >> >> Fred, you have the "machinery" to market and distribute mass >> quantities of belts. You insist of good quality and fair >> dealings. I don't think any other supplier exists that would >> do a better job. I urge you to let NakTalk's techs verify the >> quality of the real 8096K (klone , get it?) as we work >> together to bring an affordable no-compromise belt to Nak world. >> >> >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marrs Communications >> Sent: Jun 4, 2008 12:16 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW & MARKINGS >> >> Hi Kannan, >> >> Point taken. Here is the problem, somewhere "out there" >> are thousands of Nakamichi 8096C belts with the same >> dimensions as mine. Right, Wrong or indifferent, my >> belt was sold to Nakamichi under the contract between the >> two. As mentioned in a previous post, Every belt I >> purchased that was suppose to be an "Original Nakamichi" >> 8096C, had different dimensions? I know Steven Sank >> from way back, 25 years ago? If I could get ! an "O! ri >> gina l" from him, I could feel comfortable about it being >> a REAL "Original" 8096C. I have NO reason NOT to believe >> ANYONE, about their "Original C's", EXCEPT the dimension >> inconsistency's? I could then have that very belt >> manufactured IDENTICALLY. But, I have not found to the >> day, what I am convinced to be a honest to God original, >> based on the "C"'s I have measured, with absolutely NO >> consistency. Keeping this in mind, Why are there so >> many so called "Original" 8096C's "out there" with >> different dimensions ? ( I posted my measurements, using >> a PRB belt measuring tool, previously ). >> >> Bottom line, once everyone is in agreement of just what >> the dimensions of a "Original" 8096C is, I CAN have that >> belt manufactured Identically, to those dimensions, >> with markings, without markings, shorter, longer, >> wider, whatever. Up to this point, I do not have >> anything! to! wor k with, except the word of my factory >> and my manufacturing specifications agreement with them. >> What very little input I have received up to this point >> has been criticism, and have produced a 8096 that IS >> "Original" to the best of my knowledge. >> >> Fred M. >> >> kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: >> >>> Before putting any marking on this belt, i feel you >>> should not advertise this as exact equivalent in light >>> of many people seeing apparent length mismatch between >>> original belt and yours. Also try to find out the real >>> measurement as I am yet to measure your belts against my >>> own stock of 8096C bought from Stephen Sank ( who kept >>> enough of these belts from nak spare parts) /old >>> Nakamichi spare parts department as well as latest batch >>> from nak dealer. Generally belt dimension is as >>> important as the constituent. Your belt seems to match >>> CR3 belt than 8096C. I am not trying discourage you but >>> this is the correct thing to do in light of many people >>> observing the dimensional match to CR3 belt than 8096C >>> >>> >>> >>> I am not seeing anything wrong with your assumptions and >>> trials so far but try to get the dimesions also >>> corrected ( tried with Nak classic mechanism for >>> acceptability) before taking efforts to add the arrow. >>> >>> >>> >>> kannan >>> >>> --- On Mon, 6/2/08, Marrs Communications >>> wrote: >>> >>> From: Marrs Communications >>> >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts / ARROW >>> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >>> >>> Date: Monday, June 2, 2008, 4:29 PM >>> >>> Hey, >>> >>> Just a reminder of what my factory guy said, for >>> what it's worth >>> . >>> 9. I did NOT have the arrow placed on my 8096-D >>> because the factory told me it was NOT worth the >>> time and effort. When testing for Quality Control >>> they never found over: +/- 0.01 to 0.02% >>> difference in measurement due to direction of travel >>> ! I invite everyone to test my "D" in both >>> directions, but I doubt you will see additional >>> improvement over the numbers above. >>> >>> 10. I just received my 2nd shipment of 8096-D's >>> and did NOT have the line across the face installed >>> for the same reasons above, in addition to cost >>> savings. >>> >>> I can have the arrow and line installed on the next >>> order IF everyone prefers that, but I am convinced >>> it is a waste based on the factories comments. Fred M >>> >>> shanti ramachandran wrote: >>> >>>> Ed, >>>> >>>> Intersting point. I in fact, called Jeff of ESL and >>>> asked if it mattered how the arrow was oriented >>>> while replacing the belt, and was promptly told, to >>>> position it in the direction of motion for better >>>> w/f numbers. I listened and obeyed! >>>> >>>> May be Mr. Galin has tested these belts, for all >>>> that we know.. and arrowed them according to >>>> numbers on w/f/. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Ram >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Edward Noyes wrote: >>>> >>>> Just for the record, I bought about a dozen of >>>> the actual Nak 8096 belts >>>> years ago when I announced on the list that >>>> "last call" for belts had >>>> been issued by Nakamichi. Jeff Galin and I >>>> actually spoke about the fact >>>> that the newer Nakamichi belts didn't have any >>>> markings on them. I don't >>>> know why Jeff's belts have markings now unless >>>> he makes a point of >>>> testing and marking them himself (which is >>>> entirely possible). As >>>> received from Nakamichi, these belts have no >>>> markings though, >>>> >>>> Ed >>>> >>>> shanti ramachandran wrote: >>>> >>>> > Tom and others, >>>> > >>>> > ESL's belts do have a marking arrow >>>> indicating direction of motion, so >>>> > the belt could be installed with the right >>>> orientation to obtain >>>> > perfect w/f numbers. >>>> > >>>> > One more point of observation. The ESL belt >>>> that I used for my ZX9 >>>> > recently had a red! ! arrow , rather than a >>>> white arrow that we all know >>>> > in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the >>>> best in my ZX9 so >>>> > dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! >>>> > >>>> > Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out >>>> there. If Fred's belts are >>>> > good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and >>>> others should supplement us >>>> > Nak heads with data to affirm this. >>>> > >>>> > Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no >>>> pun intended!) and >>>> > cherish our wonderful machines. >>>> > >>>> > Have a great weekend. >>>> > >>>> > Regards, >>>> > Ram >>>> > >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! >>>> http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Na ktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>hitech77 at earthlink.net >>hitech at bellsouth.net >>615-331-9241 >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 8 23:41:58 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:41:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help with calibrating Level Meters In-Reply-To: <31833613.1212874561561.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <31833613.1212874561561.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <484C5226.4070404@sbcglobal.net> Tom, I don't recommend doing this unless the deck's specifications cite 1V as max output. I have found that doing this on some decks results in record levels high enough to saturate the tape, causing loss of highs. Warren Tom Brucker wrote: > > Do what I do in all but the cheap newer Naks. Reference level is > 0Vu= 1 volt RMS at the output jacks. Set output control to max. Set > input level (or internal oscillator calibration) to equal 1 volt at > output jacks. Set meter calibration to 0Vu. > > With playback Dolby reference level tape set play level to 1 volt at > output jacks. > > Much of the gymnastics described in the Nak service manuals is to > compensate for "digital" or more correctly stepped Vu meters. They try > to describe a process where both channels will transition to the next > segment simultaneously and at the next voltage level in the dB scale. > You learn very quickly to discard the instructions and make small > changes in the adjutment pots to just light the next segment, and then > reduce until the next segment goes out.. I hope this helps. As a > postscript, I doubt your Fluke can do a proper job calibrating 15 or > 20kHz signals at -20dB without making some shielded test leads. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mercedes Benz > Sent: Jun 7, 2008 11:52 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Help with calibrating Level Meters > > Hi Gennady > > Thanks for your detailed explanation of the maths involved in > this subject. > > After all the previous replies by various members and > considering your suggestion, I have now come to the conclusion > that there are two schools of thought regarding what is 500mV > -2db. > > 1. Who say that 500mV is -2db below 775mV and I should adjust > to obtain 500mV only. > 2. Who say that 500mv should be considered a 0db reference and > I should adjust to -2db below that. > > Now according to the formula you have provided, you > have calculated 500mV -2db to 397mV which falls under the > second school of thought. > > Now I am really confused as to which method to follow. Can > someone please let me know the exact method of calibrating the > level meters and lay this problem to rest once and for all? > > Thanks and best regards, > ~Nadeem~ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To: naktalk at naks.com > From: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz > Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:34:45 +1200 > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help with calibrating Level Meters > > > Hi ~Nadeem~ > The level measured in dB =20 x log(L / Lref) where: L – > measured level, Lref – reference Level. > If the reference Level = 1V=1000mV = “V” then we are talking > about dBV level. Most domestic, TEAC (Tascam domestic > equipment branch) and Fostex equipment has -10 dBV at the > Input / Output terminals (RCA connectors) as “0 dB” reference > level which is 10^(-10/20) x 1000mV = 0.316 x 1000mV = 316 mV. > If the reference Level = 775 mV = “u” then we are talking > about dBu level. Most professional equipment has +4 dBu at the > Input / Output terminals (XLR connectors) as “0 dB” reference > level which is 10^(4/20) x 775mV = 1.584 x 775 mV = 1228 mV = > 1.228 V > The DRAGON deck has 1 V as “0 dB” ref level at the terminals, > but 350 mV at the internal Reference Test Points. The manual > says 350 mV -0.9 dB (referring to 350mV). It means > 10^(-0.9/20) x 350 = 0.902 x 350 mV = 315.5 mV. > If your manual says 500 mV -2dB it means 10^(-2/20) x 500 mV = > 0.794 x 500 mV = 397 mV > If your Voltmeter has 0 dB adjustable, adjust the input level > to 500 mV measured by the Voltmeter, switch it to dB mode, set > it as 0 dB than reduce the input level till the Voltmeter > shows -2 dB > > Gennady > > guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz http://www.exicom.co.nz > Phone: +64 4 237 2149 Fax: +64 4 237 9696 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get Started! > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz Sun Jun 8 23:21:13 2008 From: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz (guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:21:13 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems In-Reply-To: <2EF58F3A70534C03B76FD0A56B3F80A6@superdator> Message-ID: Hi Par, Thanks for your tips about washers. Yes, they were assembled wrong way. I will make the extension cables to test the mechanism off the Front Chassis on the bench. Cheers, Guennadi Pär Ericsson Sent by: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 05/06/2008 23:25 Please respond to Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" cc Subject Re: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems It sounds like worned presure rollers. I had the same symtom on a dragon a couple of years ago. Also check if the washers are installed correctly. They are different in thickness. The thinner ones should be cloose to the pressure rollers and the thicker ones outside the metal tape guide, take a look in the service manual parts section. Also check that the guides can move without problem. I must also warn you about making electrical adjustments on the NAAC system before you have solved the tape travelling problem. Without a perfect tape travel it is almost impossible to adjust it according the service manual. So as with everything: If it works, don´t mess with it! Have a nice day and good luck with your DRAGON/Par. ----- Original Message ----- From: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems First of all let me introduce myself. I’m Gennady (Guennadi, Ghennady) whatever you like. RF, Electronics and Sound Engineer – designer. My the 1-st tape recorder was MONO valve (tube) one in early 60's. Always serviced and repaired it myself. Now I do restoration of old sound equipment and musical instruments in my home lab as a hobby using professional test equipment. At home I’m hopelessly “analog” person. I’m not talking about MP3. Someone may like it, but not me. As for me even CD is not suitable source of high quality musical program. It has “digital disability”. I can hear it. This is my “disease” to hear too much, but I couldn’t find any “switcher” in my brain to switch this selectivity off. So here I am. Have done Fender Rhodes, Wurlitzer electric pianos, Mini Moog sinth, Fender Stratocaster and Gibson Les Paul guitars, Fender Blues Delux and Twin Reverb tube guitar amps, HAMMOND A100 (B3) organ from 1961 and Leslie 122 speaker Cabinet, few Mix desks (TAC MATCHLESS, Soundcraft 500, 600, etc), OTARI Studio Mastering tape machines MX-5050N II, MX-50N II), Thorens TD-125 mk II turntable etc. Most of them are in my collection. Recently I hooked on Nakamichi decks. Restored 480 as my Nakamichi learning exercise. It had 2 major problems. 1. Supply Pressure Roller Arm Assembly was glued to its shaft – fixed. 2. Too high WOW&FLUTTER measured by the NEUTRIK A2-Audio Test & Service System. It was audible. Visual inspection showed the Capstan Belt was cut of motorbike wheel tube. Bought the belt from TRADE-TECH. Additionally the Take-Up Reel Hub Pulley Assembly had uneven torque moment. The felt pad in the Assembly was glued off centre - fixed. WOW&FLUTTER in specs now. A week ago I bought DRAGON on Ebay “in excellent working and beautiful cosmetic condition”. Many problems arrived along with the deck. 1. Supply Pressure Roller Arm Assembly was glued to its shaft. The deck was working on take-up capstan only. To remove the Pressure Roller Arm Bushing I made the simple tool using a side-cutter. I filed flat one cutting tip. The other sharp one perfectly fit in the Bushing slot. To unglue and remove the assembly I heat up the shaft bearing tube with soldering iron and removed the assembly as quick as it possible to prevent the shaft heating and plastic shaft holder melting. I’ve done the same for the Take-Up Pressure Roller Arm Assembly. I don’t have the DA090-51A Tape Guide Height gauge. I made the gauge using modified cassette similar to Tape Travelling Adjustment Cassette recommended in the Service Manual. I fixed permanently the cassette tape guide rollers at their centre position using washers. Removed tape, put empty hubs on their places, put a piece of transparent lead tape at the normal tape position, laid the ends of the tape around the hubs and connected them together by a small spring providing constant tape tension. The tape is centred in the tape pass by the fixed rollers. Loaded the modified cassette in the mechanism, slowly rotated the Control Motor Pulley towards Playback position and watched the Supply and Take-Up Tape Guides approaching the tape using Meopta Industrial Stereo Microscope equipped with micrometer head. I adjusted each Arm Bushings position till the centred in the cassette tape fits to each Guide perfectly. 2. Watching the normal tape travelling through the another modified cassette slots I noticed the tape changed its position in Reverse mode. It shifted towards the Head Base by ~0.3mm. It is enough to confuse the Automatic Azimuth Adjustment System in Reverse mode. I think if it was the head tilt problem the tape could move to the same direction in both FWD and REV modes. I made the torque measuring cassette and measured the torque moment in both directions. It is different. Take-Up is 50 g*cm in FWD Playback mode and slightly uneven. Supply is 75 g*cm in REV Playback mode. The 480 deck Take-Up has about 50g*cm torque moment. I broke the Supply Hub slightly by an empty revolver case to reduce torque moment and the tape moved to the correct position. I disassembled both Reel Hub Pulley Assemblies to check the felt pads and the tension springs condition. The reason of the Take-Up uneven torque moment was similar to the 480 deck. The felt pad in the Assembly was glued off centre – fixed. Both Tension springs are identical except the Supply spring is stretched longer then Take-Up one. Fully engaged it has 256g force. The Take-Up spring has 220g force. My question is: Is this normal or this is the manufacturing assembly fault? I may squeeze the spring over the tunes to make both springs of the same length and pressure force. Am I on the right way? Thanks for your time. 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URL: From guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz Mon Jun 9 00:23:18 2008 From: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz (guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:23:18 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Dave, To come close to the original belt dimensions You may use BLT276 75 x 0.6 x 5mm Try BLT256 78 x 0.5 x 6mm and find which one works better for you. Cheers, Guennadi Bansijeff at aol.com Sent by: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 08/06/2008 11:30 Please respond to Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To naktalk at naks.com cc Subject Re: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems In a message dated 6/7/2008 12:41:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, daveharris at clear.net.nz writes: I have occasionally buy belts from Trade Tech, could you tell us the part number for the Capstan belt you bought for the 480Z as I have one I am curently working on it capstan belt is worn out I have put an unknown belt from my collection on it while I am working on it but will need to buy one soon,and I have found TradeTechs belt prices to be very good. Hi Dave, I see you're in NZ. John Gipps is using a generic belt from Wagner in Australia. Its dimensions in the Wagner catalog are I believe 75mm circ x 5mm wide x .02 mm thick. You can also reference John's recent post on the subject of belt measurements for more information. Jeff W Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. 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Try the 75mm diam x 0.2mm x 5mm from Wagner in Australia instead. Or try the D16-0092-08 from Kenwood if there's a Kenwood distributor in NZ. It's actually the best replacement belt available. Jeff W **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Jun 9 10:59:25 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 01:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Why keep marring Fred? In-Reply-To: <200806081000.m58A0ZkH018441@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <138420.99960.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Kermit, I follow you logic completely, but in the overall scheme of things, you as a great professional resource, outweigh the few naysayers here. Agreed, arguing whether or not to demagnetize was a drop into madness. I'm convinced anyone who would argue that demagnetizing isn't necessary, or that the commercial demag units are too strong (and will do damage), is the same sort of person who would argue with the Devil himself about whether or not turtles should have shells. And it's the same sort of person who attempts to drag Fred into the dirt like he's some devious con-man power seller. Fred bent over backwards to have made the best Nak spec belts he possibly can. All he asks now, is that the OEM belts are measured carefully, some standard measurements *AGREED* on and he'll have them made-arrows and all if we want. Jeff at ESL now gets $75 for old OEM belts, so why shouldn't Fred get a piece of the pie if he has the correct belt made new? I submit that some of the tweako-cultists here will never be happy unless they have something to complain about, or somebody to demonize. I beg you to consider doing some more good in consumer audio, rather then let us be cannibalized by the faux 'experts' out there. You are a fantastic source for us lay consumers and over at the Tape Asylum they speak very highly of you as a professional AND as great guy. I have no doubt they are correct on both counts.;-) Kevin Message: 24 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:01:41 -0500 From: Kermit Gray Subject: Re: [naktalk] Why keeping marring Marr?? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Guys, I've been reading this thread with keen interest. Let me give you some food for thought. Some of you know I run an audio R&D lab, and manufacture high-end custom audio equipment and musical instruments, principally for recording or for musical performance. I'm routinely approached by interested parties to design and manufacture a product for the consumer market, and not a week goes by when someone gives me an excellent suggestion for a consumer audio product. Despite the high degree of interest, I admit my focus remains on products for professional studios and full-time professional performing musicians, and, at best, I'm lukewarm to entering the consumer market -- and in many ways, not at all interested. A very dear friend has been encouraging me to enter the consumer market and I'm doing so merely on the strength of that friendship, but with great trepidation. Why? Well, it's not a lack of confidence, I have no worries my designs would be among the finest in their respective market segments, and would be well received by the marketplace. So what's the hang-up, you ask? Simple: I have quite finite resources, and my ill health leaves me without enough time to pursue everything I'd like to do. So, I have to make hard choices where to put my limited resources and even more limited time to best use. So every time I've contemplated making a consumer audio product, (regardless whether it's an amp, a speaker or a maintenance accessory for cassette decks) I log on to my email only too see a flow of invective as this group or one of the others I frequent savages some poor soul like Fred, who I believe is trying to do his bit to help preserve cassette decks; or some utterly ridiculous squabblefest debating things that professionals take for granted as truths -- like whether demagnetizing really works or other such nonsense. After taking a deep breath after reading the latest rounds of tar-and feather banquets, this gets my thinking running along these lines: "Do I really want to make and sell ANY consumer product to ANY market segment only to have to endure the tsunami of shrieking screeds, the torrents of trash talking, and the blizzards of bloviation that will inevitably result?" So far, my answer has been: NO! Why should I take the rish when I know I won't have to put up with this sort of thing in the professional audio market. Think about what a disincentive it is to others who may want to start making things for this market. You have no idea how many Nakamichi-related projects I've dropped over the past. The latest casualty has been the track height calibration cassette. Recently, a fellow list member phoned me inquiring how I was managing to make these test tapes. Honestly, I was thrilled to tell him and give him the project. My thinking was, "Good. Let him make the tapes and put up with getting dragged over the coals by certain Naktalkers for making the tapes." Afterward, I felt a bit guilty about setting him up to get savaged later on. (Sorry, man, I got selfish!) From daveharris at clear.net.nz Mon Jun 9 11:16:57 2008 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:16:57 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2996EC5F393F45549D72E2E0207C4859@Vistanx7300> Thanks Jeff I have their catalogue which seems to be the only place that has idler tyres for BX series (although it is mislabeled ) MCM want $20 us to post to new zealand which is ridiculous Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems In a message dated 6/7/2008 12:41:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, daveharris at clear.net.nz writes: I have occasionally buy belts from Trade Tech, could you tell us the part number for the Capstan belt you bought for the 480Z as I have one I am curently working on it capstan belt is worn out I have put an unknown belt from my collection on it while I am working on it but will need to buy one soon,and I have found TradeTechs belt prices to be very good. Hi Dave, I see you're in NZ. John Gipps is using a generic belt from Wagner in Australia. Its dimensions in the Wagner catalog are I believe 75mm circ x 5mm wide x .02 mm thick. You can also reference John's recent post on the subject of belt measurements for more information. Jeff W ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. 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URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 01:38:44 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:38:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made Message-ID: <484dbf01.27b38c0a.1e1b.7c65@mx.google.com> Hi All- Somewhere back in the archives there is a thread about the best Nak deck ever made and how the 1000ZXL probably is for the electronics and sound quality but the ZX-9 is for its superior transport mechanism. Remember?? Thanks to the largess of Ben Stratford, I have just finished what may be the best Nak NEVER made. I have transferred the direct drive transport mechanism from a ZX-9 to a 1000ZXL. It works beautifully and sounds absolutely amazing!! The project took quite a while and was somewhat involved, but now that I've done it repeating it would take far less time. The only problem is having the two machines to work with! Ben is the owner of the machine and will have the chance to compare it to a stock 1000ZXL, since he owns multiple. I can't wait for the review, though due to physical circumstance he won't be able to do the audition for several months. In the mean time, I'm having the most fun anyone can with a cassette tape! If you want to take a look, I posted some pictures on a back page of my web site. Click on the Nakamichi logo in the lower right corner of the front page of www.Hermannity.com . BTW, the ZX-9 is not dead. It's living happily with the transport from the 1000ZXL. Willy Hermann, VPT (very proud tech) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue Jun 10 05:40:36 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:40:36 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made In-Reply-To: <484dbf01.27b38c0a.1e1b.7c65@mx.google.com> References: <484dbf01.27b38c0a.1e1b.7c65@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Willy! BRAVO!!! If you are happy with what you do...god for you & your ears! I will be stocked with my Dragon...as factory "Default"! Happy listening! ALEX! From: willyherm at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:38:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made Hi All- Somewhere back in the archives there is a thread about the best Nak deck ever made and how the 1000ZXL probably is for the electronics and sound quality but the ZX-9 is for its superior transport mechanism. Remember?? Thanks to the largess of Ben Stratford, I have just finished what may be the best Nak NEVER made. I have transferred the direct drive transport mechanism from a ZX-9 to a 1000ZXL. It works beautifully and sounds absolutely amazing!! The project took quite a while and was somewhat involved, but now that I’ve done it repeating it would take far less time. The only problem is having the two machines to work with! Ben is the owner of the machine and will have the chance to compare it to a stock 1000ZXL, since he owns multiple. I can’t wait for the review, though due to physical circumstance he won’t be able to do the audition for several months. In the mean time, I’m having the most fun anyone can with a cassette tape! If you want to take a look, I posted some pictures on a back page of my web site. Click on the Nakamichi logo in the lower right corner of the front page of www.Hermannity.com . BTW, the ZX-9 is not dead. It’s living happily with the transport from the 1000ZXL. Willy Hermann, VPT (very proud tech) _________________________________________________________________ Search that pays you back! Introducing Live Search cashback. http://search.live.com/cashback/?&pkw=form=MIJAAF/publ=HMTGL/crea=srchpaysyouback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Jun 10 00:44:41 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 18:44:41 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems Message-ID: In a message dated 6/9/2008 3:24:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, daveharris at clear.net.nz writes: Thanks Jeff I have their catalogue which seems to be the only place that has idler tyres for BX series (although it is mislabeled ) MCM want $20 us to post to new zealand which is ridiculous Thanks Dave Hey Dave, Just to make sure, it's 75mm DIAMETER not circ as I previously mis-stated. I'm pretty sure that's how it shows up in the Wagner system. 75 mm x 0.2mm x 5 mm. That's the equivalent 237 or 238 in circumference in other listings. I'm getting old - I also call my kids by the wrong name sometimes, haha. Wagner also has some other Nak stuff, including old motors. good luck Jeff W **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. 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Benhurnak 9000 ZXL Very Limited Dan _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 4:39 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made Hi All- Somewhere back in the archives there is a thread about the best Nak deck ever made and how the 1000ZXL probably is for the electronics and sound quality but the ZX-9 is for its superior transport mechanism. Remember?? Thanks to the largess of Ben Stratford, I have just finished what may be the best Nak NEVER made. I have transferred the direct drive transport mechanism from a ZX-9 to a 1000ZXL. It works beautifully and sounds absolutely amazing!! The project took quite a while and was somewhat involved, but now that I've done it repeating it would take far less time. The only problem is having the two machines to work with! Ben is the owner of the machine and will have the chance to compare it to a stock 1000ZXL, since he owns multiple. I can't wait for the review, though due to physical circumstance he won't be able to do the audition for several months. In the mean time, I'm having the most fun anyone can with a cassette tape! If you want to take a look, I posted some pictures on a back page of my web site. Click on the Nakamichi logo in the lower right corner of the front page of www.Hermannity.com . BTW, the ZX-9 is not dead. It's living happily with the transport from the 1000ZXL. Willy Hermann, VPT (very proud tech) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Jun 10 02:11:20 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:11:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made In-Reply-To: <484dbf01.27b38c0a.1e1b.7c65@mx.google.com> References: <484dbf01.27b38c0a.1e1b.7c65@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20080610001115.PPUI23410.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> WE'RE NOT WORTHY, WE'RE NOT WORTHY! At 07:38 PM 6/9/2008, you wrote: >Hi All- > >Somewhere back in the archives there is a thread about the best Nak >deck ever made and how the 1000ZXL probably is for the electronics >and sound quality but the ZX-9 is for its superior transport >mechanism. Remember?? > >Thanks to the largess of Ben Stratford, I have just finished what >may be the best Nak NEVER made. I have transferred the direct drive >transport mechanism from a ZX-9 to a 1000ZXL. It works beautifully >and sounds absolutely amazing!! The project took quite a while and >was somewhat involved, but now that I've done it repeating it would >take far less time. The only problem is having the two machines to >work with! Ben is the owner of the machine and will have the chance >to compare it to a stock 1000ZXL, since he owns multiple. I can't >wait for the review, though due to physical circumstance he won't be >able to do the audition for several months. In the mean time, I'm >having the most fun anyone can with a cassette tape! > >If you want to take a look, I posted some pictures on a back page of >my web site. Click on the Nakamichi logo in the lower right corner >of the front page of www.Hermannity.com . > >BTW, the ZX-9 is not dead. It's living happily with the transport >from the 1000ZXL. > >Willy Hermann, VPT (very proud tech) > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jldcat at yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 02:58:09 2008 From: jldcat at yahoo.com (John DeVore) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 17:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made In-Reply-To: <484dbf01.27b38c0a.1e1b.7c65@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <576402.9403.qm@web50108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Wow, very impressive. A clean hack too, it looks great! --- On Mon, 6/9/08, Willy Hermann wrote: > From: Willy Hermann > Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 7:38 PM > Hi All- > > > > Somewhere back in the archives there is a thread about the > best Nak deck > ever made and how the 1000ZXL probably is for the > electronics and sound > quality but the ZX-9 is for its superior transport > mechanism. Remember?? > > > > Thanks to the largess of Ben Stratford, I have just > finished what may be the > best Nak NEVER made. I have transferred the direct drive > transport > mechanism from a ZX-9 to a 1000ZXL. It works beautifully > and sounds > absolutely amazing!! The project took quite a while and > was somewhat > involved, but now that I've done it repeating it would > take far less time. > The only problem is having the two machines to work with! > Ben is the owner > of the machine and will have the chance to compare it to a > stock 1000ZXL, > since he owns multiple. I can't wait for the review, > though due to physical > circumstance he won't be able to do the audition for > several months. In the > mean time, I'm having the most fun anyone can with a > cassette tape! > > > > If you want to take a look, I posted some pictures on a > back page of my web > site. Click on the Nakamichi logo in the lower right > corner of the front > page of www.Hermannity.com > . > > > > BTW, the ZX-9 is not dead. It's living happily with > the transport from the > 1000ZXL. > > > > Willy Hermann, VPT (very proud > tech)========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 10 05:37:56 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:37:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made In-Reply-To: <484dbf01.27b38c0a.1e1b.7c65@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <061020080337.25108.484DF713000E874B0000621422230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Outstanding, Very neat work! How about increasing the skill level difficulty by transplanting the Dragons' double direct drive inards? dino -------------- Original message from "Willy Hermann" : -------------- Hi All- Somewhere back in the archives there is a thread about the best Nak deck ever made and how the 1000ZXL probably is for the electronics and sound quality but the ZX-9 is for its superior transport mechanism. Remember?? Thanks to the largess of Ben Stratford, I have just finished what may be the best Nak NEVER made. I have transferred the direct drive transport mechanism from a ZX-9 to a 1000ZXL. It works beautifully and sounds absolutely amazing!! The project took quite a while and was somewhat involved, but now that I�ve done it repeating it would take far less time. The only problem is having the two machines to work with! Ben is the owner of the machine and will have the chance to compare it to a stock 1000ZXL, since he owns multiple. I can�t wait for the review, though due to physical circumstance he won�t be able to do the audition for several months. In the mean time, I�m having the most fun anyone can with a cassette tape! If you want to take a look, I posted some pictures on a back page of my web site. Click on the Nakamichi logo in the lower right corner of the front page of www.Hermannity.com . BTW, the ZX-9 is not dead. It�s living happily with the transport from the 1000ZXL. Willy Hermann, VPT (very proud tech) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daveharris at clear.net.nz Mon Jun 9 11:21:14 2008 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:21:14 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Many thanks Guennadi any chance of posting a picture of your guage? Thanks again Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems Hi David, The Tradetech belt Part Numberfor N-480 is BLT307A 82.5 x 0.6 x 6mm FL BELT. $2.27NZ each. I bought this one and lamps on-line. The same problem was with my 480. The arm pivot shaft moved in the plastic holder and the top end touched the head mounting plate. I pressed the shaft back to the plastic holder then adjusted the assembly height by means of described gauge. Cheers, Guennadi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Jun 10 08:50:23 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:50:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: New ebay scores. The weakness in the scoring system Message-ID: I think the new eBay feedback scoring system is just fine. Ebay is full of crooked sellers and the new system will help expose them quicker. And the new fees make it more expensive for crooked sellers to buy their own items and give themselves positive feedback. I was ripped off for more than $600 by a Naktalker, Victor Trifu, and luckily got my money back from Paypal. So I say hooray for any change in the system that penalizes crooks. Jeff W **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 10:50:33 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:50:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: New ebay scores. The weakness in the scoring system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10806100150t42e402aerc836eac709c8be9b@mail.gmail.com> "Hooray for any change in the system that penalizes crooks" - fully agree. I was ripped off for over $3000 by buyers who worked the system and I did not get my money back from Paypal because they had forced a refund within less than two weeks - and then they received the goods - for free. "Hooray for any change in the system that penalizes sellers" - no way. I am doing a test sale now and if I am pissed about by Paypal holding the payment I will stop selling on ebay. I have traded on ebay since 1999 and I have been screwed 7 times as a seller and only twice as a buyer. On 6/10/08, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > I think the new eBay feedback scoring system is just fine. Ebay is full of > crooked sellers and the new system will help expose them quicker. And the > new fees make it more expensive for crooked sellers to buy their own items > and give themselves positive feedback. I was ripped off for more than $600 > by a Naktalker, Victor Trifu, and luckily got my money back from Paypal. So > I say hooray for any change in the system that penalizes crooks. > > Jeff W > > > ________________________________ > Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Jun 10 19:34:28 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:34:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to NakTakers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <12EFBCBE2CDC4CC1ADA2489279E9F607@GrahamNPC> I have some information about Victor. Ironically, it was, according to Victor, eBay and PayPal together wiped out his finances. The tragedy of this is that Victor apparently had around 500 satisfied customers, from a turnover of around $47k in one year. And yet it took just one customer to complain to eBay and wham! Victor said, "After this one ebay buyer filed a claim (he did not like the item and wanted a $200 partial refund - or else!) Paypal immediately took $800 out directly from our bank account as a result of this buyer's claim against me. Then ebay accelerated their $650 invoice, again debiting this directly from our bank account. Paypal buyer credit followed with another $490. The bank closed our account resulting in our total financial collapse." On top of this apparently he was hit by a loss of $1200 paid to an online company who never delivered the goods he ordered. Of course, it would be wrong of me to repeat the name of this company without giving them right of reply. Victor said that this financial collapse meant he was unable to ship 7about packed items to customers who had paid. Have you heard of the Better Business Bureau? It's a great site for checking out a business to see if they have a bad record. Take a look at this one as an example: http://search.newyork.bbb.org/reports.aspx?pid=44 &page=1&id=85062 Victor knows them. Victor said, "Meanwhile, because of the ebay and paypal policies (buyer is always right) I have never been able to recover and am now fighting for my life - literally." I find that scary. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:50 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: New ebay scores. The weakness in the scoring system I think the new eBay feedback scoring system is just fine. Ebay is full of crooked sellers and the new system will help expose them quicker. And the new fees make it more expensive for crooked sellers to buy their own items and give themselves positive feedback. I was ripped off for more than $600 by a Naktalker, Victor Trifu, and luckily got my money back from Paypal. So I say hooray for any change in the system that penalizes crooks. Jeff W _____ Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 19:46:01 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:46:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made In-Reply-To: <061020080337.25108.484DF713000E874B0000621422230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <484ebdd7.27b38c0a.1db1.ffffd54d@mx.google.com> Funny you should mention that. I have just agreed to take on Ram's 1000ZXL and Dragon transport as my next exotic adventure. I'll let you know how that one turns out! Willy Hermann, VWT (very worried tech?) _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made Outstanding, Very neat work! How about increasing the skill level difficulty by transplanting the Dragons' double direct drive inards? dino -------------- Original message from "Willy Hermann" : -------------- Hi All- Somewhere back in the archives there is a thread about the best Nak deck ever made and how the 1000ZXL probably is for the electronics and sound quality but the ZX-9 is for its superior transport mechanism. Remember?? Thanks to the largess of Ben Stratford, I have just finished what may be the best Nak NEVER made. I have transferred the direct drive transport mechanism from a ZX-9 to a 1000ZXL. It works beautifully and sounds absolutely amazing!! The project took quite a while and was somewhat involved, but now that Ive done it repeating it would take far less time. The only problem is having the two machines to work with! Ben is the owner of the machine and will have the chance to compare it to a stock 1000ZXL, since he owns multiple. I cant wait for the review, though due to physical circumstance he wont be able to do the audition for several months. In the mean time, Im having the most fun anyone can with a cassette tape! If you want to take a look, I posted some pictures on a back page of my web site. Click on the Nakamichi logo in the lower right corner of the front page of www.Hermannity.com . BTW, the ZX-9 is not dead. Its living happily with the transport from the 1000ZXL. Willy Hermann, VPT (very proud tech) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 15:03:24 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:03:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: New ebay scores. The weakness in the scoring system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm all for any change in the system that ONLY penalizes the crooks. However, the new changes have the side effect of making it far easier for crooked buyers to screw honest sellers. The new fees also cost HONEST sellers more money. You seem to be making the assumption that all sellers are scum or something - why else would you be happy about higher fees for sellers, etc.??? Just because one guy screwed you, it doesn't mean that all sellers are slimeballs looking to take your money from you. I'm sorry, but do you ever have a positive outlook on ANYTHING??? -- Geoffrey Reynolds On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:50 AM, wrote: > I think the new eBay feedback scoring system is just fine. Ebay is full of > crooked sellers and the new system will help expose them quicker. And the > new fees make it more expensive for crooked sellers to buy their own items > and give themselves positive feedback. I was ripped off for more than $600 > by a Naktalker, Victor Trifu, and luckily got my money back from Paypal. So > I say hooray for any change in the system that penalizes crooks. > > Jeff W From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 10 16:52:56 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:52:56 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 Message-ID: <7099392.1213109576583.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Most of my recording was with a flown Neumann stereo mic configured in M(id)S(ide). We had an MS matrix control which would allow us to vary the M mid mono essentially and S side stereo balance. In a small hall I rarely changed settings, but on a large stage with a small ensemble this type of control was very useful. The only caveat was our monitor system failed to image well (ADS810 as a nearfield monitor?!) If you have the opportunity to try MS micing do so as it creates flexibility...and saves having to fiddle with mic placement! tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kermit Gray >Sent: Jun 7, 2008 7:25 PM >To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 > >Hi Gra' > >On Jun 4, 2008, at 3:18 AM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > >> I have a lot of sympathy for that point of view. All my tuners >> sound better >> to my ear when they are set to mono. (My mono Leak Troughline is >> especially >> pleasing to my ear.) IMO some recordings do some better in mono >> anyway - for >> example, piano solos. I also feel that some stereo recordings >> exaggerate >> the stereo you would hear in real life - presumably some of this "bad" >> effect is created on the mixing desk. Kermit? Any thoughts on this? >> > >This may surprise you, but I was taught to mix a multitrack recording >down to monaural first and to use a single mike, called a pilot, to >determine the placement of a stereo mike array before beginning the >actual stereo work. Why? Because a mono recording will reveal the >smallest errors in recording and mixing technique. Phasing problems >are immediately apparent. If the recordist hasn't left "room" for each >instrument in the mix the mistake will be glaringly obvious as the >instrument will become thin, buried or muddy in the mono test mix. >Similarly, the pilot mike will leave no doubt where the best placement >is -- if you're in the wrong place either the balance of the >instruments will be incorrect or the pilot mike will give you that >hollow in-the-barrel-sound caused by excessive room resonance at the >microphone's position. > >Never forget, all recordings are an auditory illusion made possible >because of the complexities of how the human mind perceives sound, a >discipline referred to as psychoacoustics. The quality of the illusion >diminishes as the circumstances stray from ideal conditions, or as >quality losses accrue within the equipment, errors are made in the >execution of the technique or the playback environment is deteriorated >by poor acoustics or intrusion of unwanted noises. Unfortunately, few >recordings of any type are made well, stereo especially so. Too many >things can go wrong, too many errors can be made. I think too few >engineers are willing to obsess over every aspect of the recording >process. Therefore, most recordings are compromised to some extent, >many egregiously so. > >-- Kermit Gray >notarbene at kvglabs.com >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to Make Your Music Better >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >Telephone: 913-422-0957 >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 10 17:43:30 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:43:30 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Help with calibrating Level Meters Message-ID: <3493508.1213112610785.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 21:27:58 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Offline: Nakamichi 430 FM Tuner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <275598.77395.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kermit, Recievers I've seen have both a 75 ohm and a 300 ohm input. I wil try to find a chart that lists losses for different kinds of feedlines at different freqs. I used to have a chart however things get lost during moves. One thing I do remember is that losses become significant above 50 mhz. Bob N Kermit Gray wrote: Hi(gh) Bob, I made my yagi from a dipole, of course, with four directors, and hand tweaked the bandwidth to be peak between 80 Megacycles and 100 Megacycles. It ended up being between a yagi-uda and a log-periodic. My receiver has a 75 Ohm input, so I made the antenna 75 Ohms characteristic impedance with RG9 coax running to the receiver, eliminating the need for any matching network. I'm no expert in antenna design so it was a frustrating project getting it to work properly. On Jun 4, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: Kermit, I would also use a good quality 300 ohm twin lead as the feed line since it has less loss at 100 mhz. I believe a yagi antenna has an impedence of around 35 ohms??? the yagi must have some kind of match so it will match the impedence of the twin lead. What kind of matching have you used? Bob N Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Mark, The sensitivity, selectivity and front-end noise of the 430 and ST-7 are similar, neither has any advantage with regard to sensitivity. The 430 has a more-aggressive muting circuit which can mask weak stations. The ST-7 has a superior AFC circuit, so it doesn't drift off station as much, although the 430 drifts far less than most receivers, even new ones, and should be regarded as quite satisfactory. I do not think any stations transmit FM Dolby anymore, the format wasn't popular because receiving sets had the decoder, except for a few quality models. Also, stations weren't anxious to spend the money for the quite-expensive enciders along with the ongoing license fees to Dolby (although some stations could obtain exemptions to the license fee requirements). My suggestion is that you're looking to the wrong solution to receiving weak stations. You have a fabulous tuner already, what you need is a better antenna. Skip the 430, get a fabulous antenna. For AM reception, nothing beats a longwire antenna or a large loop antenna, especially with a tunable trap to improve selectivity. For FM reception, I'd recommend a good wideband yagi to improve off-axis rejection and reduce multipath reflections. If you're in a fringe reception area, a wideband RF preamplifier may be desirable. You can make one cheaply from two FETs and only a few passive components built into a small metal box. Remember that FM propagation is line-of-sight, so reception of faint stations beyond 25 to 50 miles or so is not a realistic expectation, unless you live in flat, open terrain. I don't know who makes such antenna new any more, I've always made my own antennae. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 21:34:09 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Offline: Nakamichi 430 FM Tuner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <84573.91158.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kermit, I found a calculator chart for feed line loss. Example (rounded off figures) RG-59 coax has a loss of 3db at 100 feet at 100 mhz. 300 ohm twin has 1 db loss, 100 feet, 100 mhz. Try this link and enter the info for freq, type of feed line, length of run etc. http://www.ocarc.ca/coax.htm Bob N Kermit Gray wrote: Hi(gh) Bob, I made my yagi from a dipole, of course, with four directors, and hand tweaked the bandwidth to be peak between 80 Megacycles and 100 Megacycles. It ended up being between a yagi-uda and a log-periodic. My receiver has a 75 Ohm input, so I made the antenna 75 Ohms characteristic impedance with RG9 coax running to the receiver, eliminating the need for any matching network. I'm no expert in antenna design so it was a frustrating project getting it to work properly. On Jun 4, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: Kermit, I would also use a good quality 300 ohm twin lead as the feed line since it has less loss at 100 mhz. I believe a yagi antenna has an impedence of around 35 ohms??? the yagi must have some kind of match so it will match the impedence of the twin lead. What kind of matching have you used? Bob N Kermit Gray wrote: Hi Mark, The sensitivity, selectivity and front-end noise of the 430 and ST-7 are similar, neither has any advantage with regard to sensitivity. The 430 has a more-aggressive muting circuit which can mask weak stations. The ST-7 has a superior AFC circuit, so it doesn't drift off station as much, although the 430 drifts far less than most receivers, even new ones, and should be regarded as quite satisfactory. I do not think any stations transmit FM Dolby anymore, the format wasn't popular because receiving sets had the decoder, except for a few quality models. Also, stations weren't anxious to spend the money for the quite-expensive enciders along with the ongoing license fees to Dolby (although some stations could obtain exemptions to the license fee requirements). My suggestion is that you're looking to the wrong solution to receiving weak stations. You have a fabulous tuner already, what you need is a better antenna. Skip the 430, get a fabulous antenna. For AM reception, nothing beats a longwire antenna or a large loop antenna, especially with a tunable trap to improve selectivity. For FM reception, I'd recommend a good wideband yagi to improve off-axis rejection and reduce multipath reflections. If you're in a fringe reception area, a wideband RF preamplifier may be desirable. You can make one cheaply from two FETs and only a few passive components built into a small metal box. Remember that FM propagation is line-of-sight, so reception of faint stations beyond 25 to 50 miles or so is not a realistic expectation, unless you live in flat, open terrain. I don't know who makes such antenna new any more, I've always made my own antennae. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daveharris at clear.net.nz Tue Jun 10 11:19:57 2008 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:19:57 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks I'll chase that down Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems In a message dated 6/9/2008 12:03:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz writes: The Tradetech belt Part Numberfor N-480 is BLT307A 82.5 x 0.6 x 6mm FL BELT. $2.27NZ each. I bought this one and lamps on-line. That's too thick. Try the 75mm diam x 0.2mm x 5mm from Wagner in Australia instead. Or try the D16-0092-08 from Kenwood if there's a Kenwood distributor in NZ. It's actually the best replacement belt available. Jeff W ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 22:15:33 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In-Reply-To: <484ebdd7.27b38c0a.1db1.ffffd54d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <190249.11632.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi folks, I am glad Willy has undertaken this strenuous project for me and am confident he will succeed. This was a project I had wanted to accomplish with another so called Guru here on Naktalk ( whose name I shall leave off) and after a lot of false promises and assurances of completion I finally got my decks( 3 in all!_ Yes I was dumb to trust this man!) after threatening to involve a foreign consulate( Singapore to be specific) involved in a formal complaint, with nothing done to the deck at all. In fact the person even took the trouble of untwining a power PCB wire off so the deck shorted and made useless! Be forewarned of such scam artists fellow Nak lovers! My plans were actually to make an auto-reverse ZXL if that was feasible at all, but due to my perception that the ZXLs heads are far better than the Dragon's ( MY PERCEPTION ONLY HERE --SO PLEASE DO NOT ATTACK ME HERE ) i am choosing to keep the stock ZXL heads with its auto azimuth intact. I am elated to see the completion of Ben's super deck. That is what motivated me to get restarted on the Dragon transport transplant into the 1000ZXL, making it a belt free deck!( Capstan of course) Willy, I am moved by your sincerity and applaud you for your superb achievement with Ben's ZXL. Ben, you beat me to this one man! Congrats.Enjoy your vitually w/f free ZXL-IX, which is what I choose to name your deck! :) Cheers, Ram Willy Hermann wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Funny you should mention that. I have just agreed to take on Ram’s 1000ZXL and Dragon transport as my next exotic adventure. I’ll let you know how that one turns out! Willy Hermann, VWT (very worried tech?) --------------------------------- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made Outstanding, Very neat work! How about increasing the skill level difficulty by transplanting the Dragons' double direct drive inards? dino -------------- Original message from "Willy Hermann" : -------------- Hi All- Somewhere back in the archives there is a thread about the best Nak deck ever made and how the 1000ZXL probably is for the electronics and sound quality but the ZX-9 is for its superior transport mechanism. Remember?? Thanks to the largess of Ben Stratford, I have just finished what may be the best Nak NEVER made. I have transferred the direct drive transport mechanism from a ZX-9 to a 1000ZXL. It works beautifully and sounds absolutely amazing!! The project took quite a while and was somewhat involved, but now that Ive done it repeating it would take far less time. The only problem is having the two machines to work with! Ben is the owner of the machine and will have the chance to compare it to a stock 1000ZXL, since he owns multiple. I cant wait for the review, though due to physical circumstance he wont be able to do the audition for several months. In the mean time, Im having the most fun anyone can with a cassette tape! If you want to take a look, I posted some pictures on a back page of my web site. Click on the Nakamichi logo in the lower right corner of the front page of www.Hermannity.com . BTW, the ZX-9 is not dead. Its living happily with the transport from the 1000ZXL. Willy Hermann, VPT (very proud tech) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 10 22:27:28 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to NakTakers? In-Reply-To: <12EFBCBE2CDC4CC1ADA2489279E9F607@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <731438.77188.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gra et al, Thats one example. I bought a CR-7 for 430.00 from ebay from an original owner. The deck was supposed to be in perfect condition. On receipt, I found the deck was dead. period. An email to resolve and return was unheeded by seller. he insisted an old item like this would need service! On filing a claim, after paypal messed up the claim three times, after 3.5 months paypal made me return the deck and refunded me $200.00 ( paypal covered item) and I have nothing to look at except $230 plus the shipping to return the deck back. On inquiring, paypal said to me they will go after the seller, but after 6 months now, no use. The seller is still on ebay( ID amptrode_ BEWARE). This guy was the smartest. He kept the deck, money and screwed both paypal ( by withdrawing all monies and closing bank acount) and me. Ebay has not suspended him. I wish the feedback was like today, I would have blasted the jerk. Victor sold $49000 in one year and 4-5 deals amounting to $3000-4000 destroyed him? Seems hard to swallow for me and I do not buy his paypal destruction story. Just my 2 pennies, Ram Graham A Nelson wrote: Message I have some information about Victor. Ironically, it was, according to Victor, eBay and PayPal together wiped out his finances. The tragedy of this is that Victor apparently had around 500 satisfied customers, from a turnover of around $47k in one year. And yet it took just one customer to complain to eBay and wham! Victor said, "After this one ebay buyer filed a claim (he did not like the item and wanted a $200 partial refund - or else!) Paypal immediately took $800 out directly from our bank account as a result of this buyer's claim against me. Then ebay accelerated their $650 invoice, again debiting this directly from our bank account. Paypal buyer credit followed with another $490. The bank closed our account resulting in our total financial collapse." On top of this apparently he was hit by a loss of $1200 paid to an online company who never delivered the goods he ordered. Of course, it would be wrong of me to repeat the name of this company without giving them right of reply. Victor said that this financial collapse meant he was unable to ship 7about packed items to customers who had paid. Have you heard of the Better Business Bureau? It's a great site for checking out a business to see if they have a bad record. Take a look at this one as an example: http://search.newyork.bbb.org/reports.aspx?pid=44&page=1&id=85062 Victor knows them. Victor said, "Meanwhile, because of the ebay and paypal policies (buyer is always right) I have never been able to recover and am now fighting for my life - literally." I find that scary. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:50 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: New ebay scores. The weakness in the scoring system I think the new eBay feedback scoring system is just fine. Ebay is full of crooked sellers and the new system will help expose them quicker. And the new fees make it more expensive for crooked sellers to buy their own items and give themselves positive feedback. I was ripped off for more than $600 by a Naktalker, Victor Trifu, and luckily got my money back from Paypal. So I say hooray for any change in the system that penalizes crooks. Jeff W --------------------------------- Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Jun 11 19:17:57 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:17:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: New ebay scores. The weakness in the scoring system Message-ID: In a message dated 6/11/2008 10:01:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, greynlds at gmail.com writes: Just because one guy screwed you, it doesn't mean that all sellers are slimeballs looking to take your money from you. I have been screwed about 50 times on eBay - out of 200 transactions. I'm not exaggerating. The latest was just last week when a guy sold me a Nak CD-4 "in perfect working condition" which doesn't track. Lucky for me, I've got another CD-4 which was also sold to me "in perfect working condition" on eBay which has a different problem and i can probably get 1 working player out of the 2 non-working ones. I think Nak items on eBay are especially likely to be defective for 2 reasons. (1) when the stuff goes bad, they sell it on eBay and (2) crooks know the Nak name and that they can get more for it. Hey, I've even been screwed for the big bucks by a Naktalker on eBay, but we've already been through that. One thing I've learned is that when shipping chargews are really high, it generally means the thing is defective, as the seller is trying to lock in his profit on shipping. I got a BX-125 like that once which literally had a rubber band for a drive belt. Haha. I wound up giving that deck to Tom. At one point, I realized it was often better to get a Nak off eBay which was advertised as defective and repair it than to try and find one which was really "in perfect working condition." If defects were openly admitted, it meant the seller was probably honest. That was the point I got interested in Naktalk, to get good repair info. But then I met Willy Hermann (or re-met, as I had known him back in the day) and I have him do the repairs for me unless it's something I can do with a screwdriver. I don't really believe in DIY when the fully qualified guy lives close by. Jeff W **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Jun 11 19:21:17 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:21:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! Message-ID: In a message dated 6/11/2008 10:09:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: Enjoy your vitually w/f free ZXL-IX, which is what I choose to name your deck! :) I've got a name for the leftovers - ZX-9 (without the transport) + 1000ZXL transport = ZX-7 JW **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 19:40:04 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: New ebay scores. The weakness in the scoring system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <583308.8255.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Geoffrey, Please, no personal attacks. Thanks. I've written ebay many time,s as I'm sure other buyers have, complaining about the fraud, shilling, etc of sellers and the lame excuses when they misrepresent their product. I think they realize a lot of buyers like me just won't buy anything any more on ebay unless it is local or not very much money. I've done most of my recent purchases locally with craigslist where I can go see the product first and decide. I'm sure what they've done isn't perfect, but register you complaints with them and they may make adjustments... eventually, or like me just don't use them for anything important. Jeff and I have been burned multiple times on ebay to varying levels, and yes we are not happy about that. I don't think that is an "attitude" problem. David --- On Tue, 6/10/08, Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > From: Geoffrey Reynolds > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: New ebay scores. The weakness in the scoring system > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 6:03 AM > I'm all for any change in the system that ONLY penalizes > the crooks. > However, the new changes have the side effect of making it > far easier > for crooked buyers to screw honest sellers. The new fees > also cost > HONEST sellers more money. You seem to be making the > assumption that > all sellers are scum or something - why else would you be > happy about > higher fees for sellers, etc.??? Just because one guy > screwed you, it > doesn't mean that all sellers are slimeballs looking to > take your > money from you. I'm sorry, but do you ever have a > positive outlook on > ANYTHING??? > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:50 AM, > wrote: > > I think the new eBay feedback scoring system is just > fine. Ebay is full of > > crooked sellers and the new system will help expose > them quicker. And the > > new fees make it more expensive for crooked sellers to > buy their own items > > and give themselves positive feedback. I was ripped > off for more than $600 > > by a Naktalker, Victor Trifu, and luckily got my money > back from Paypal. So > > I say hooray for any change in the system that > penalizes crooks. > > > > Jeff W > From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 19:49:25 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to NakTakers? In-Reply-To: <731438.77188.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <263389.4739.qm@web50511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Ram, Another thing I remember about Victor is when Jeff mentioned he was getting the ZX, I checked ebay and a few days later saw Victor start to get complaints about people not getting decks and he still had decks up for sale! His account was later deleted, so I don't know if he screwed any of the other people bidding on those decks. Anyway, I do remember that at the same time he was telling Jeff he couldn't send the deck for lack of funds, he had other decks up on ebay for sale. Remember he was in financial trouble and trying to sell his decks in two big lots well before he was closed down, so I agree his story is a bunch of malarkey. Thankfully, someone on NakTalk took the time to aggressively go after him via ebay/paypal before he ripped off more people. David --- On Tue, 6/10/08, shanti ramachandran wrote: > From: shanti ramachandran > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to NakTakers? > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 1:27 PM > Gra et al, > > Thats one example. I bought a CR-7 for 430.00 from ebay > from an original owner. > The deck was supposed to be in perfect condition. > > On receipt, I found the deck was dead. period. An email to > resolve and return was unheeded by seller. he insisted an > old item like this would need service! > > On filing a claim, after paypal messed up the claim three > times, after 3.5 months paypal made me return the deck and > refunded me $200.00 ( paypal covered item) and I have > nothing to look at except $230 plus the shipping to return > the deck back. > > On inquiring, paypal said to me they will go after the > seller, but after 6 months now, no use. The seller is still > on ebay( ID amptrode_ BEWARE). This guy was the smartest. He > kept the deck, money and screwed both paypal ( by > withdrawing all monies and closing bank acount) and me. > > Ebay has not suspended him. I wish the feedback was like > today, I would have blasted the jerk. > > Victor sold $49000 in one year and 4-5 deals amounting to > $3000-4000 destroyed him? Seems hard to swallow for me and > I do not buy his paypal destruction story. > > Just my 2 pennies, > > Ram > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Jun 11 03:30:06 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:30:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Recordings of Hindustani Bamboo Flute In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1C169E4C60B64E28A49F2B7886D627D2@GrahamNPC> Mr Whittier! You are a man of instrumental talent, I see! Have you made any recordings with your Nak of your Hindustani Bamboo flute? Love to hear some. If not I'll have to get one of my friends to pop over to Mountain View and record one of your recitals. I'll ask them to look out for you anyway. (I gather there is a large contingent of Asian migrants in your town. Something like 21%? Did this influence you to take up this instrument?) (Aside. No relation to the American poet, Whittier, are you? Love his stuff - got a mint First Edition of his poetry. Gorgeous red leather binding - almost as nice as my ZX-9!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems In a message dated 6/9/2008 3:24:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, daveharris at clear.net.nz writes: Thanks Jeff I have their catalogue which seems to be the only place that has idler tyres for BX series (although it is mislabeled ) MCM want $20 us to post to new zealand which is ridiculous Thanks Dave Hey Dave, Just to make sure, it's 75mm DIAMETER not circ as I previously mis-stated. I'm pretty sure that's how it shows up in the Wagner system. 75 mm x 0.2mm x 5 mm. That's the equivalent 237 or 238 in circumference in other listings. I'm getting old - I also call my kids by the wrong name sometimes, haha. Wagner also has some other Nak stuff, including old motors. good luck Jeff W _____ Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Wed Jun 11 20:26:26 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-2 and tape take up Message-ID: <828517.59025.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I notice that my CR-2 doesn't take up tape when load a tape and I don't see anywhere in the manual that it should. Was this feature not used on some decks. If so, those who don't like it might go for decks without the feature. Everything else works perfectly. Thanks, David From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Jun 11 20:54:50 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:54:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In-Reply-To: <190249.11632.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <484ebdd7.27b38c0a.1db1.ffffd54d@mx.google.com> <190249.11632.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080611185451.EUPM26184.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Ram, Perhaps we should know whom that you've had the problem with so we can avoid problems in the future. I own a wonderfully performing Dragon but had often thought of sending it to one of two GURUS here on Naktalk. Not every experience by all Naktalk people will be enjoyed by all Naktalk gurus. For my needs, at least on the surface, is a calibration of all that needs to be calibrated. However, I don't want to ship my deck to someone who is going to keep it for 6 months to find out he's a year behind in repairs or he had repeat repairs of the same problem. I actually live within 100 miles of ESLabs and perhaps that is what I should do but I don't have $500 to spend for a calibration but if I send my LOVELY DRAGON to the wrong guy, the end result just might be $500. . At 04:15 PM 6/10/2008, you wrote: >Hi folks, > >I am glad Willy has undertaken this strenuous project for me and am >confident he will succeed. > >This was a project I had wanted to accomplish with another so called >Guru here on Naktalk ( whose name I shall leave off) and after a lot >of false promises and assurances of completion I finally got my >decks( 3 in all!_ Yes I was dumb to trust this man!) after >threatening to involve a foreign consulate( Singapore to be >specific) involved in a formal complaint, with nothing done to the >deck at all. >In fact the person even took the trouble of untwining a power PCB >wire off so the deck shorted and made useless! Be forewarned of >such scam artists fellow Nak lovers! > >My plans were actually to make an auto-reverse ZXL if that was >feasible at all, but due to my perception that the ZXLs heads are >far better than the Dragon's ( MY PERCEPTION ONLY HERE --SO PLEASE >DO NOT ATTACK ME HERE ) i am choosing to keep the stock ZXL heads >with its auto azimuth intact. > >I am elated to see the completion of Ben's super deck. That is what >motivated me to get restarted on the Dragon transport transplant >into the 1000ZXL, making it a belt free deck!( Capstan of course) > >Willy, I am moved by your sincerity and applaud you for your superb >achievement with Ben's ZXL. > >Ben, you beat me to this one man! Congrats.Enjoy your vitually w/f >free ZXL-IX, which is what I choose to name your deck! :) > >Cheers, > >Ram > > > >Willy Hermann wrote: >Funny you should mention that. I have just agreed to take on Ram's >1000ZXL and Dragon transport as my next exotic adventure. I'll let >you know how that one turns out! > >Willy Hermann, VWT (very worried tech?) > > >---------- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >Behalf Of ddino77 at bellsouth.net >Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:38 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made > >Outstanding, Very neat work! How about increasing the skill level >difficulty by transplanting the Dragons' double direct drive inards? dino >-------------- Original message from "Willy Hermann" >: -------------- >Hi All- > >Somewhere back in the archives there is a thread about the best Nak >deck ever made and how the 1000ZXL probably is for the electronics >and sound quality but the ZX-9 is for its superior transport >mechanism. Remember?? > >Thanks to the largess of Ben Stratford, I have just finished what >may be the best Nak NEVER made. I have transferred the direct drive >transport mechanism from a ZX-9 to a 1000ZXL. It works beautifully >and sounds absolutely amazing!! The project took quite a while and >was somewhat involved, but now that Ive done it repeating it would >take far less time. The only problem is having the two machines to >work with! Ben is the owner of the machine and will have the chance >to compare it to a stock 1000ZXL, since he owns multiple. I cant >wait for the review, though due to physical circumstance he wont be >able to do the audition for several months. In the mean time, Im >having the most fun anyone can with a cassette tape! > >If you want to take a look, I posted some pictures on a back page of >my web site. Click on the Nakamichi logo in the lower right corner >of the front page of www.Hermannity.com . > >BTW, the ZX-9 is not dead. 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URL: From rick at stereomanuals.com Wed Jun 11 20:13:27 2008 From: rick at stereomanuals.com (Rick at StereoManuals.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:13:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning toNakTakers? In-Reply-To: <731438.77188.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello group. This is my first post here. Ray contacted me the other day asking if I knew how to contact Victor. I did and he contacted him. Ray posted a paraphase of what's Victor told him. I would like to give you guys some info about this situation. I became acquainted with Victor about 4 years ago. Over the next 2-3 years he bought a very large number of manuals from us. I also became personally acquainted with him via various emails and phone calls. I passed the stage where I considered him a business acquaintance and counted him as a personal friend. I also put up some pages about him on our Your Pages section.... http://www.stereomanuals.com/yourpages/victor_trifu.htm Victor had been working for several years in a high-paying engineering position in New York. The company stuff changed (as often happens) and after a period of time, he left the company to persue a startup business opportunity with something that he invented. It could have turned into a multi-millions dollar thing for him. Although he had contact with the honchos of some VERY large international electronics firms, it eventually didn't pan out. Over time other things changed, family, finances, etc and he decided to start selling some of his extensive tape deck collection. For a variety of reasons, he didn't get back into a regular job-type situation although his living expenses remained fairly large as a result of his previous circumstances. Ya know, life just changes sometimes and sometimes it gradually creeps up on ya and bites you in the butt and sometimes it can happen fast. I'm sure that some number of you have experienced some lean times in your past. I have had times where if someone had zapped money from my accounts and/or attempted to take money that wasn't there, it would have ruined me too. A single botched up situation can empty an account without warning and then the banks close accounts and bouncing checks and laying on additional traffifs, etc. Unless one has reserves to fall back on, or someone to bail them out, all hell can break loose. So, yes, what Ray said is essentially what happened to Victor. While it may seem to some that selling $50k of units would make it impossible for a few deals to put you down, one would have to know whether the $50 was slush fund money or essential cover-the-bills income. If your life is used to running on a high income and that goes away, it isn't always a piece of cake to change your expenses. eBay and Paypal have become draconian in the way they deal with sellers. I personally can not see how it is legal for them to do to sellers what they are currently doing. I see reports of many long-term sellers telling horror stories of what has happened to them. Even some who have had very large sales volume are getting shafted and it is very obvious that they are trying to drive out small seller. If they had done right by Victor, the situations could have been avoided and he could have continued to raise some money for his family as he had been doing. I'll close by saying that in my opinion, Victor is a good man and would never intentionally cheat anybody out of anything. I have offered to put up a list of all his decks and tapes, etc our one of my sites as a place to sell them. At present, I do not know if he will do that or not. The situation that developed with eBay and Paypal do not change my opinion of him one bit. Best regards, Rick http://www.stereomanuals.com -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:27 PM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning toNakTakers? Gra et al, Thats one example. I bought a CR-7 for 430.00 from ebay from an original owner. The deck was supposed to be in perfect condition. On receipt, I found the deck was dead. period. An email to resolve and return was unheeded by seller. he insisted an old item like this would need service! On filing a claim, after paypal messed up the claim three times, after 3.5 months paypal made me return the deck and refunded me $200.00 ( paypal covered item) and I have nothing to look at except $230 plus the shipping to return the deck back. On inquiring, paypal said to me they will go after the seller, but after 6 months now, no use. The seller is still on ebay( ID amptrode_ BEWARE). This guy was the smartest. He kept the deck, money and screwed both paypal ( by withdrawing all monies and closing bank acount) and me. Ebay has not suspended him. I wish the feedback was like today, I would have blasted the jerk. Victor sold $49000 in one year and 4-5 deals amounting to $3000-4000 destroyed him? Seems hard to swallow for me and I do not buy his paypal destruction story. Just my 2 pennies, Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In our country if one BANK blacklists you, you are 'dead" with all other banks as well,But then our internal banking systems are of the very first order,but I would suspect that US banking systems would similiarly banish you to the wilderness! walter ----- Original Message ----- From: shanti ramachandran To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning toNakTakers? Gra et al, Thats one example. I bought a CR-7 for 430.00 from ebay from an original owner. The deck was supposed to be in perfect condition. On receipt, I found the deck was dead. period. An email to resolve and return was unheeded by seller. he insisted an old item like this would need service! On filing a claim, after paypal messed up the claim three times, after 3.5 months paypal made me return the deck and refunded me $200.00 ( paypal covered item) and I have nothing to look at except $230 plus the shipping to return the deck back. On inquiring, paypal said to me they will go after the seller, but after 6 months now, no use. The seller is still on ebay( ID amptrode_ BEWARE). This guy was the smartest. He kept the deck, money and screwed both paypal ( by withdrawing all monies and closing bank acount) and me. Ebay has not suspended him. I wish the feedback was like today, I would have blasted the jerk. Victor sold $49000 in one year and 4-5 deals amounting to $3000-4000 destroyed him? Seems hard to swallow for me and I do not buy his paypal destruction story. Just my 2 pennies, Ram Graham A Nelson wrote: I have some information about Victor. Ironically, it was, according to Victor, eBay and PayPal together wiped out his finances. The tragedy of this is that Victor apparently had around 500 satisfied customers, from a turnover of around $47k in one year. And yet it took just one customer to complain to eBay and wham! Victor said, "After this one ebay buyer filed a claim (he did not like the item and wanted a $200 partial refund - or else!) Paypal immediately took $800 out directly from our bank account as a result of this buyer's claim against me. Then ebay accelerated their $650 invoice, again debiting this directly from our bank account. Paypal buyer credit followed with another $490. The bank closed our account resulting in our total financial collapse." On top of this apparently he was hit by a loss of $1200 paid to an online company who never delivered the goods he ordered. Of course, it would be wrong of me to repeat the name of this company without giving them right of reply. Victor said that this financial collapse meant he was unable to ship 7about packed items to customers who had paid. Have you heard of the Better Business Bureau? It's a great site for checking out a business to see if they have a bad record. Take a look at this one as an example: http://search.newyork.bbb.org/reports.aspx?pid=44&page=1&id=85062 Victor knows them. Victor said, "Meanwhile, because of the ebay and paypal policies (buyer is always right) I have never been able to recover and am now fighting for my life - literally." I find that scary. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:50 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: New ebay scores. The weakness in the scoring system I think the new eBay feedback scoring system is just fine. Ebay is full of crooked sellers and the new system will help expose them quicker. And the new fees make it more expensive for crooked sellers to buy their own items and give themselves positive feedback. I was ripped off for more than $600 by a Naktalker, Victor Trifu, and luckily got my money back from Paypal. So I say hooray for any change in the system that penalizes crooks. Jeff W -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. 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George On 6/11/08, Roland wrote: > Ram, > > Perhaps we should know whom that you've had the problem with so we can avoid > problems in the future. > > I own a wonderfully performing Dragon but had often thought of sending it to > one of two GURUS here on Naktalk. > > Not every experience by all Naktalk people will be enjoyed by all Naktalk > gurus. > > For my needs, at least on the surface, is a calibration of all that needs to > be calibrated. > > However, I don't want to ship my deck to someone who is going to keep it for > 6 months to find out he's a year behind in repairs or he had repeat repairs > of the same problem. > > I actually live within 100 miles of ESLabs and perhaps that is what I should > do but I don't have $500 to spend for a calibration but if I send my LOVELY > DRAGON to the wrong guy, the end result just might be $500. > > . > > At 04:15 PM 6/10/2008, you wrote: > Hi folks, > > I am glad Willy has undertaken this strenuous project for me and am > confident he will succeed. > > This was a project I had wanted to accomplish with another so called Guru > here on Naktalk ( whose name I shall leave off) and after a lot of false > promises and assurances of completion I finally got my decks( 3 in all!_ Yes > I was dumb to trust this man!) after threatening to involve a foreign > consulate( Singapore to be specific) involved in a formal complaint, with > nothing done to the deck at all. > In fact the person even took the trouble of untwining a power PCB wire off > so the deck shorted and made useless! Be forewarned of such scam artists > fellow Nak lovers! > > My plans were actually to make an auto-reverse ZXL if that was feasible at > all, but due to my perception that the ZXLs heads are far better than the > Dragon's ( MY PERCEPTION ONLY HERE --SO PLEASE DO NOT ATTACK ME HERE ) i am > choosing to keep the stock ZXL heads with its auto azimuth intact. > > I am elated to see the completion of Ben's super deck. That is what > motivated me to get restarted on the Dragon transport transplant into the > 1000ZXL, making it a belt free deck!( Capstan of course) > > Willy, I am moved by your sincerity and applaud you for your superb > achievement with Ben's ZXL. > > Ben, you beat me to this one man! Congrats.Enjoy your vitually w/f free > ZXL-IX, which is what I choose to name your deck! :) > > Cheers, > > Ram > > > > Willy Hermann wrote: > Funny you should mention that. I have just agreed to take on Ram's 1000ZXL > and Dragon transport as my next exotic adventure. I'll let you know how > that one turns out! > > Willy Hermann, VWT (very worried tech?) > > ________________________________ > > > Willy Hermann, VWT (very worried tech?) > > ________________________________ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of ddino77 at bellsouth.net > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:38 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:38 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made > > Outstanding, Very neat work! How about increasing the skill level difficulty > by transplanting the Dragons' double direct drive inards? dino > -------------- Original message from "Willy Hermann" : > -------------- > Hi All- > > Somewhere back in the archives there is a thread about the best Nak deck > ever made and how the 1000ZXL probably is for the electronics and sound > quality but the ZX-9 is for its superior transport mechanism. Remember?? > > Thanks to the largess of Ben Stratford, I have just finished what may be the > best Nak NEVER made. I have transferred the direct drive transport > mechanism from a ZX-9 to a 1000ZXL. It works beautifully and sounds > absolutely amazing!! The project took quite a while and was somewhat > involved, but now that Ive done it repeating it would take far less time. > The only problem is having the two machines to work with! Ben is the owner > of the machine and will have the chance to compare it to a stock 1000ZXL, > since he owns multiple. I cant wait for the review, though due to physical > circumstance he wont be able to do the audition for several months. In the > mean time, Im having the most fun anyone can with a cassette tape! > > If you want to take a look, I posted some pictures on a back page of my web > site. Click on the Nakamichi logo in the lower right corner of the front > page of www.Hermannity.com . > > BTW, the ZX-9 is not dead. Its living happily with the transport from the > 1000ZXL. > > Willy Hermann, VPT (very proud tech) > Outstanding, Very neat work! How about increasing the skill level difficulty > by transplanting the Dragons' double direct drive inards? dino > -------------- Original message from "Willy Hermann" : > -------------- > Hi All- > > Somewhere back in the archives there is a thread about the best Nak deck > ever made and how the 1000ZXL probably is for the electronics and sound > quality but the ZX-9 is for its superior transport mechanism. Remember?? > > Thanks to the largess of Ben Stratford, I have just finished what may be the > best Nak NEVER made. I have transferred the direct drive transport > mechanism from a ZX-9 to a 1000ZXL. It works beautifully and sounds > absolutely amazing!! The project took quite a while and was somewhat > involved, but now that Ive done it repeating it would take far less time. > The only problem is having the two machines to work with! Ben is the owner > of the machine and will have the chance to compare it to a stock 1000ZXL, > since he owns multiple. I cant wait for the review, though due to physical > circumstance he wont be able to do the audition for several months. In the > mean time, Im having the most fun anyone can with a cassette tape! > > If you want to take a look, I posted some pictures on a back page of my web > site. Click on the Nakamichi logo in the lower right corner of the front > page of www.Hermannity.com . > > BTW, the ZX-9 is not dead. Its living happily with the transport from the > 1000ZXL. > > Willy Hermann, VPT (very proud tech) > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Roland > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From aamir at smzinc.com Wed Jun 11 23:11:12 2008 From: aamir at smzinc.com (Aamir Nawaz) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:11:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In-Reply-To: <20080611185451.EUPM26184.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> References: <484ebdd7.27b38c0a.1db1.ffffd54d@mx.google.com> <190249.11632.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20080611185451.EUPM26184.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <48503F70.9010608@smzinc.com> I have used three people to repair/calibrate my decks from Naktalk community. I would recommend Andy Pena and Willy Hermann. If you are ok with waiting 4 months, send it to Tom Brucker. Aamir Roland wrote: > Ram, > > Perhaps we should know whom that you've had the problem with so we can > avoid problems in the future. > > I own a wonderfully performing Dragon but had often thought of sending > it to one of two GURUS here on Naktalk. > > Not every experience by all Naktalk people will be enjoyed by all > Naktalk gurus. > > For my needs, at least on the surface, is a calibration of all that > needs to be calibrated. > > However, I don't want to ship my deck to someone who is going to keep > it for 6 months to find out he's a year behind in repairs or he had > repeat repairs of the same problem. > > I actually live within 100 miles of ESLabs and perhaps that is what I > should do but I don't have $500 to spend for a calibration but if I > send my LOVELY DRAGON to the wrong guy, the end result just might be $500. > > . > > At 04:15 PM 6/10/2008, you wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> I am glad Willy has undertaken this strenuous project for me and am >> confident he will succeed. >> >> This was a project I had wanted to accomplish with another so called >> Guru here on Naktalk ( whose name I shall leave off) and after a lot >> of false promises and assurances of completion I finally got my >> decks( 3 in all!_ Yes I was dumb to trust this man!) after >> threatening to involve a foreign consulate( Singapore to be specific) >> involved in a formal complaint, with nothing done to the deck at all. >> In fact the person even took the trouble of untwining a power PCB >> wire off so the deck shorted and made useless! Be forewarned of such >> scam artists fellow Nak lovers! >> >> My plans were actually to make an auto-reverse ZXL if that was >> feasible at all, but due to my perception that the ZXLs heads are far >> better than the Dragon's ( MY PERCEPTION ONLY HERE --SO PLEASE DO NOT >> ATTACK ME HERE ) i am choosing to keep the stock ZXL heads with its >> auto azimuth intact. >> >> I am elated to see the completion of Ben's super deck. That is what >> motivated me to get restarted on the Dragon transport transplant into >> the 1000ZXL, making it a belt free deck!( Capstan of course) >> >> Willy, I am moved by your sincerity and applaud you for your superb >> achievement with Ben's ZXL. >> >> Ben, you beat me to this one man! Congrats.Enjoy your vitually w/f >> free ZXL-IX, which is what I choose to name your deck! :) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ram >> >> >> >> */Willy Hermann /* wrote: >> >> Funny you should mention that. I have just agreed to take on >> Ram’s 1000ZXL and Dragon transport as my next exotic adventure. >> I’ll let you know how that one turns out! >> >> Willy Hermann, VWT (very worried tech?) >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [ mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] >> On Behalf Of ddino77 at bellsouth.net >> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:38 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made >> >> Outstanding, Very neat work! How about increasing the skill level >> difficulty by transplanting the Dragons' double direct drive >> inards? dino >> >> -------------- Original message from "Willy Hermann" >> : -------------- >> Hi All- >> >> Somewhere back in the archives there is a thread about the >> best Nak deck ever made and how the 1000ZXL probably is for >> the electronics and sound quality but the ZX-9 is for its >> superior transport mechanism. Remember?? >> >> Thanks to the largess of Ben Stratford, I have just finished >> what may be the best Nak NEVER made. I have transferred the >> direct drive transport mechanism from a ZX-9 to a 1000ZXL. It >> works beautifully and sounds absolutely amazing!! The project >> took quite a while and was somewhat involved, but now that >> Ive done it repeating it would take far less time. The only >> problem is having the two machines to work with! Ben is the >> owner of the machine and will have the chance to compare it >> to a stock 1000ZXL, since he owns multiple. I cant wait for >> the review, though due to physical circumstance he wont be >> able to do the audition for several months. In the mean time, >> Im having the most fun anyone can with a cassette tape! >> >> If you want to take a look, I posted some pictures on a back >> page of my web site. Click on the Nakamichi logo in the lower >> right corner of the front page of www.Hermannity.com >> . >> >> BTW, the ZX-9 is not dead. Its living happily with the >> transport from the 1000ZXL. >> >> Willy Hermann, VPT (very proud tech) >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Roland > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From mark_j at tulsaconnect.com Wed Jun 11 23:23:14 2008 From: mark_j at tulsaconnect.com (Mark Jarrett @ Thompson A / V Service) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:23:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 350 plays but no FF/Rew In-Reply-To: <42780.1208440680827.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <42780.1208440680827.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48504242.1010507@tulsaconnect.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: moz-screenshot-6.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4714 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 00:03:38 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In-Reply-To: <20080611185451.EUPM26184.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <1337.89761.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Roland. Shipping your precious Nak will be a risk and you will need to really, really over pack it (1 inch bubble wrap many times around in all directions and double box) but it can be done. I had someone send me a Citation 16A surrounded by so much bubble wrap you could have rolled it down a hill. In fact, it looked like FedX had done just that and more to the box, but the amp was fine! I'm sure Tom/Willy/others can give advice on packing specific to the Dragon if you need to send it. Why don't you contact them first. Maybe they can give you an idea of what it needs and if you really need to send it out. Maybe someone knows another tech in your area (sorry I'm on the west Coast). Good Luck, David From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Jun 12 00:07:50 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:07:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <18D3C1ED41F8481D8BE40265A8FEADE4@GrahamNPC> ROFLOL! Very good! Now you have me laughing! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In a message dated 6/11/2008 10:09:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: Enjoy your vitually w/f free ZXL-IX, which is what I choose to name your deck! :) I've got a name for the leftovers - ZX-9 (without the transport) + 1000ZXL transport = ZX-7 JW _____ Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jun 12 02:02:22 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:02:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In-Reply-To: <1337.89761.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20080611185451.EUPM26184.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <1337.89761.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080612000224.FWUU23410.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> As a matter of fact, I'm rather familiar on the proper way to send out equipment. I believe it was on someone's website from this community. I also know how NOT to send out equipment like my last eBay purchase. The seller put a pristine Yamaha M70 amp in a box with two thin layers of bubble wrap, the small bubbles. place broken styrofoam only in the side corners, place three more thin layers of small bubble wrap and called it a day. The seller also forgot to put the amp in a bag to make sure the shipping debris did not enter the cooling slots. Sadly, the pristine amp arrived in pristine physical condition with nary a scratch but either suffered from what is called 'shock drop' or those nasty enter the cooling slots and electrically stick to the circuit boards. Guess what happens when statically charged styrofoam nodules stick to a circuit board and you apply power? Anyone? 4th of July firework show!! But of course, the seller back her position and claim she amply pack the amp. I'm about 100 miles from ESLabs but I know it'll arrive safely! No, waiting four months isn't a problem for now because it's summer and I'm busy with other stuff and I do have ALL the original boxes and packing materials. At 06:03 PM 6/11/2008, you wrote: >Hi Roland. Shipping your precious Nak will be a risk and you will >need to really, really over pack it (1 inch bubble wrap many times >around in all directions and double box) but it can be done. I had >someone send me a Citation 16A surrounded by so much bubble wrap you >could have rolled it down a hill. In fact, it looked like FedX had >done just that and more to the box, but the amp was fine! I'm sure >Tom/Willy/others can give advice on packing specific to the Dragon >if you need to send it. > >Why don't you contact them first. Maybe they can give you an idea >of what it needs and if you really need to send it out. Maybe >someone knows another tech in your area (sorry I'm on the west Coast). > >Good Luck, >David > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 02:35:05 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to Naktalkers? In-Reply-To: <200806111540.m5BCLwwq005917@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <374279.67131.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Well...I'm never one to kick a man when he's down. God knows I've been there myself and have great empathy for Victor's situation. It's easy to say in hindsight, 'What the hell was he thinking of; putting all his eggs in one basket, ergo ebay/PayPal'. But I wonder that *if* I had a houseful of electronics to get rid of in a short amount of time, whether or not I would be so flippant as to decline on the use of ebay/PayPal. I have enough trouble controlling the ebay beast...ya know, that little hairy, ugly devil that bites you in the ass when you try to 'pass on' your favorite auction page, or see one of your favorite sellers has something to good to be true.;-) I've always had real serious reservations about making primary income on ebay-simply because of the horror stories I've always heard about a few miscreant buyers who destroy everything for a seller. This scam about getting a refund from PayPal, (no matter what the circumstances are from the buyer) has been going on for a long time. A lot of the buyers as was said earlier, not only get the refund, but somehow get to keep the item as well. That's certainly not a system that's working either and wholly not my personal experience with PayPal. But then, I don't have a black, dishonest heart, and whine & cry like the posers do to get my money back. Kevin I have some information about Victor. Ironically, it was, according to Victor, eBay and PayPal together wiped out his finances. The tragedy of this is that Victor apparently had around 500 satisfied customers, from a turnover of around $47k in one year. And yet it took just one customer to complain to eBay and wham! Victor said, "After this one ebay buyer filed a claim (he did not like the item and wanted a $200 partial refund - or else!) Paypal immediately took $800 out directly from our bank account as a result of this buyer's claim against me. Then ebay accelerated their $650 invoice, again debiting this directly from our bank account. Paypal buyer credit followed with another $490. The bank closed our account resulting in our total financial collapse." On top of this apparently he was hit by a loss of $1200 paid to an online company who never delivered the goods he ordered. Of course, it would be wrong of me to repeat the name of this company without giving them right of reply. Victor said that this financial collapse meant he was unable to ship 7about packed items to customers who had paid. Have you heard of the Better Business Bureau? It's a great site for checking out a business to see if they have a bad record. Take a look at this one as an example: http://search.newyork.bbb.org/reports.aspx?pid=44 &page=1&id=85062 Victor knows them. Victor said, "Meanwhile, because of the ebay and paypal policies (buyer is always right) I have never been able to recover and am now fighting for my life - literally." I find that scary. Gra' From guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz Thu Jun 12 07:10:55 2008 From: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz (guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:10:55 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Dave, I've sent the pictures of my gauge off-list Cheers, Guennadi Dave Harris Sent by: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 09/06/2008 21:21 Please respond to Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks cc Subject Re: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems Many thanks Guennadi any chance of posting a picture of your guage? Thanks again Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems Hi David, The Tradetech belt Part Numberfor N-480 is BLT307A 82.5 x 0.6 x 6mm FL BELT. $2.27NZ each. I bought this one and lamps on-line. The same problem was with my 480. The arm pivot shaft moved in the plastic holder and the top end touched the head mounting plate. I pressed the shaft back to the plastic holder then adjusted the assembly height by means of described gauge. 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Money is the universal sirens song of pirates on all continents and as such buyers MUST show a high degree of prudence, patience or risk being taken to the cleaners. Duely, I now have my bidding filter set to extreme caution. I fear my most prolific bidding days are now a quaint memory. If you read the business news the stock has taken a beating, and the CEO was changed. The online auction formula is now a mature market where new buisness has contracted markedly and demand has shifted to newer and less risky portals. I wonder if the decline is a trend of things to come or a minor correction... -------------- Original message from fripp_em : -------------- > Hi Ram, > > Another thing I remember about Victor is when Jeff mentioned he was getting the > ZX, I checked ebay and a few days later saw Victor start to get complaints about > people not getting decks and he still had decks up for sale! His account was > later deleted, so I don't know if he screwed any of the other people bidding on > those decks. > > Anyway, I do remember that at the same time he was telling Jeff he couldn't send > the deck for lack of funds, he had other decks up on ebay for sale. Remember he > was in financial trouble and trying to sell his decks in two big lots well > before he was closed down, so I agree his story is a bunch of malarkey. > Thankfully, someone on NakTalk took the time to aggressively go after him via > ebay/paypal before he ripped off more people. > > David > > --- On Tue, 6/10/08, shanti ramachandran wrote: > > > From: shanti ramachandran > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to > NakTakers? > > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 1:27 PM > > Gra et al, > > > > Thats one example. I bought a CR-7 for 430.00 from ebay > > from an original owner. > > The deck was supposed to be in perfect condition. > > > > On receipt, I found the deck was dead. period. An email to > > resolve and return was unheeded by seller. he insisted an > > old item like this would need service! > > > > On filing a claim, after paypal messed up the claim three > > times, after 3.5 months paypal made me return the deck and > > refunded me $200.00 ( paypal covered item) and I have > > nothing to look at except $230 plus the shipping to return > > the deck back. > > > > On inquiring, paypal said to me they will go after the > > seller, but after 6 months now, no use. The seller is still > > on ebay( ID amptrode_ BEWARE). This guy was the smartest. He > > kept the deck, money and screwed both paypal ( by > > withdrawing all monies and closing bank acount) and me. > > > > Ebay has not suspended him. I wish the feedback was like > > today, I would have blasted the jerk. > > > > Victor sold $49000 in one year and 4-5 deals amounting to > > $3000-4000 destroyed him? Seems hard to swallow for me and > > I do not buy his paypal destruction story. > > > > Just my 2 pennies, > > > > Ram > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Jun 12 10:35:07 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:35:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Trifu & trust In-Reply-To: <374279.67131.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1DF77916CE95491D8B388B073F088755@GrahamNPC> Well, whatever the rights and wrongs of this issue, kicking a guy when he's down isn't the way to get money back. (Bit like the old days in the UK when debtors were sent to prison until they paid off the debt!) But then, in this case, the buyer did get his money back, so I'm not sure if it's technically correct to say it was a rip-off. And if Mr Trifu was a real scammer it's hardly likely he's give out his contact details. ("I've just stolen your money and this is where you can contact ...") And before anyone suggests I put my money where my mouth is ... I did, a few years back, when I could afford to. (Couldn't do it now - it's my turn to be on the floor.) I'd bought some items from a NakTaker, and he couldn't afford to send them - he'd used the money to pay some creditors, and he still needed money to avoid his business having to close. I lent him nigh on $1,000, which covered the postal costs and more. It was a risk but I'd known him about a year or two and he'd always seemed a straight-up guy. Two or three other ex-NakTalkers who were here then did the same.) He couldn't pay me back the $$$s but I got around the same value in kind; so, it worked out ok in the end. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:35 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning toNaktalkers? Well...I'm never one to kick a man when he's down. ... But then, I don't have a black, dishonest heart, and whine & cry like the posers do to get my money back. Kevin From benstratford at aol.co.uk Thu Jun 12 11:05:05 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:05:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA9A828A7E8078-C50-6F6@FWM-D15.sysops.aol.com> Jeff, It has to be a ZX-8 doesn't it, weren't the electronics upgraded from the 7 to 9? Cheers, Ben a message dated 6/11/2008 10:09:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: Enjoy your vitually w/f free ZXL-IX, which is what I choose to name your deck! :) I've got a name for the leftovers - ZX-9 (without the transport) + 1000ZXL transport = ZX-7 -----Original Message----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 5:21 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In a message dated 6/11/2008 10:09:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: Enjoy your vitually w/f free ZXL-IX, which is what I choose to name your deck! :) I've got a name for the leftovers - ZX-9 (without the transport) + 1000ZXL transport = ZX-7 ? JW Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Thu Jun 12 11:13:48 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:13:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In-Reply-To: <190249.11632.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CA9A83C2214639-C50-72F@FWM-D15.sysops.aol.com> Ram, Surely its the Super Tuned ZXL ?  A geat accomplishment Willy and first class service again. Anyway, I am very excited to add it to the stable.  It will have a unique light wood case once it is back home. All I have to do now is Look into my crystal ball and imagine my 5th ZXL (which has been with Hitech in Nashville for 14 months), completed and added to the ZXL stack.  Please Tom, talk to me buddy, any progress? Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 8:15 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! Hi folks, I am glad Willy has undertaken this strenuous project for me and am confident he will succeed. This was a project I had wanted to accomplish with another so called Guru here on Naktalk ( whose name I shall leave off) and after a lot of false promises and assurances of completion I finally got my decks( 3 in all!_ Yes I was dumb to trust this man!) after threatening to involve a foreign consulate( Singapore to be specific)  involved in a formal complaint, with nothing done to the deck at all. In fact the person even took the trouble of untwining a power PCB wire off so the deck shorted and made useless!  Be forewarned of such scam artists fellow Nak lovers! My plans were actually to make an auto-reverse ZXL if that was feasible at all, but due to my perception that the ZXLs heads are far better than the Dragon's ( MY PERCEPTION ONLY HERE --SO PLEASE DO NOT ATTACK ME HERE )  i am choosing to keep the stock ZXL heads with its auto azimuth intact. I am elated to see the completion of Ben's super deck. That is what motivated me to get restarted on the Dragon transport transplant into the 1000ZXL, making it a belt free deck!( Capstan of course) Willy, I am moved by your sincerity and applaud you for your superb achievement with Ben's ZXL. Ben, you beat me to this one man! Congrats.Enjoy your vitually w/f free ZXL-IX, which is what I choose to name your deck! :) Cheers, Ram Willy Hermann wrote: Funny you should mention that.  I have just agreed to take on Ram’s 1000ZXL and Dragon transport as my next exotic adventure.  I’ll let you know how that one turns out!   Willy Hermann, VWT (very worried tech?)   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made   Outstanding, Very neat work! How about increasing the skill level difficulty by transplanting the Dragons' double direct drive inards? dino -------------- Original message from "Willy Hermann" : -------------- Hi All-   Somewhere back in the archives there is a thread about the best Nak deck ever made and how the 1000ZXL probably is for the electronics and sound quality but the ZX-9 is for its superior transport mechanism.  Remember??   Thanks to the largess of Ben Stratford, I have just finished what may be the best Nak NEVER made.  I have transferred the direct drive transport mechanism from a ZX-9 to a 1000ZXL.  It works beautifully and sounds absolutely amazing!!  The project took quite a while and was somewhat involved, but now that Ive done it repeating it would take far less time.  The only problem is having the two machines to work with!  Ben is the owner of the machine and will have the chance to compare it to a stock 1000ZXL, since he owns multiple.  I cant wait for the review, though due to physical circumstance he wont be able to do the audition for several months.  In the mean time, Im having the most fun anyone can with a cassette tape!   If you want to take a look, I posted some pictures on a back page of my web site.  Click on the Nakamichi logo in the lower right corner of the front page of www.Hermannity.com .   BTW, the ZX-9 is not dead.  Its living happily with the transport from the 1000ZXL.   Willy Hermann, VPT (very proud tech)     ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk =======---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 12 13:21:55 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to NakTakers? In-Reply-To: <061220080522.14210.4850B27D00087C160000378222216125569B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <250988.60382.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DIno, Nicely put. Thanks for the sympathy. The USA has always been a true free market system. There are as in our constitution ( written way back in the eighteenth century) many checks and balances. The same applies to our system of trade. This results in frequent purges of redundancies and change is the norm here. Darwin's theory of evolution works like a charm here and the bad, weak sellers and buyers are constantly purged. I shall now let everyone know that due my status on ebay as a good buyer, after the CR7 foul up, ebay offered me a $500 certificate to use anywhere on ebay and pay with paypal. About a month ago, I had another minor bad deal, and got a 10% off coupon. Fortunately I was able to use the coupons and saved close to $550 on what I really wantes( an HD Tv and some sony metal master cassettes!). I, therefore, feel vindicated. Tragedy is, the CR7A seller is sitting with the deck and the money I paid him.....and ebay has not penalised him. Regards, Ram ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: Ram, sorry to hear about your CR-7 fiasco. IMHO Ebay has been going through a sort of metamorphosis lately. Unfortunately, it is not necessarily better. I see very well disguised scams and schemes almost weekly as opposed to seldom back in the late nineties. Why? I think it is now mainstream, and attracts the moths as well as butterflies. Money is the universal sirens song of pirates on all continents and as such buyers MUST show a high degree of prudence, patience or risk being taken to the cleaners. Duely, I now have my bidding filter set to extreme caution. I fear my most prolific bidding days are now a quaint memory. If you read the business news the stock has taken a beating, and the CEO was changed. The online auction formula is now a mature market where new buisness has contracted markedly and demand has shifted to newer and less risky portals. I wonder if the decline is a trend of things to come or a minor correction... -------------- Original message from fripp_em : -------------- > Hi Ram, > > Another thing I remember about Victor is when Jeff mentioned he was getting the > ZX, I checked ebay and a few days later saw Victor start to get complaints about > people not getting decks and he still had decks up for sale! His account was > later deleted, so I don't know if he screwed any of the other people bidding on > those decks. > > Anyway, I do remember that at the same time he was telling Jeff he couldn't send > the deck for lack of funds, he had other decks up on ebay for sale. Remember he > was in financial trouble and trying to sell his decks in two big lots well > before he was closed down, so I agree his story is a bunch of malarkey. > Thankfully, someone on NakTalk took the time to aggressively go after him via > ebay/paypal before he ripped off more people. > > David > > --- On Tue, 6/10/08, shanti ramachandran wrote: > > > From: shanti ramachandran > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to > NakTakers? > > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 1:27 PM > > Gra et al, > > > > Thats one example. I bought a CR-7 for 430.00 from ebay > > from an original owner. > > The deck was supposed to be in perfect condition. > > > > On receipt, I found the deck was dead. period. An email to > > resolve and return was unheeded by seller. he insisted an > > old item like this would need service! > > > > On filing a claim, after paypal messed up the claim three > > times, after 3.5 months paypal made me return the deck and > > refunded me $200.00 ( paypal covered item) and I have > > nothing to look at except $230 plus the shipping to return > > the deck back. > > > > On inquiring, paypal said to me they will go after the > > seller, but after 6 months now, no use. The seller is still > > on ebay( ID amptrode_ BEWARE). This guy was the smartest. He > > kept the deck, money and screwed both paypal ( by > > withdrawing all monies and closing bank acount) and me. > > > > Ebay has not suspended him. I wish the feedback was like > > today, I would have blasted the jerk. > > > > Victor sold $49000 in one year and 4-5 deals amounting to > > $3000-4000 destroyed him? Seems hard to swallow for me and > > I do not buy his paypal destruction story. > > > > Just my 2 pennies, > > > > Ram > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <8CA9A828A7E8078-C50-6F6@FWM-D15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <678647.53274.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is nothing super about ZX 9 electronics compared to ZX 7 electronics- It is same - excepting DD drive electronics. Infact ZX 9 switches / pots etc are not sturdy as Dragon. ZX 7 is a pretty good Deck infact as good as ZX 9- still I am mystified why people pay so much to ZX 9 though. while ZX 7 does not get the attention it deserves ?   Kannan --- On Thu, 6/12/08, benstratford at aol.co.uk <benstratford at aol.co.uk> wrote: From: benstratford at aol.co.uk <benstratford at aol.co.uk> Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 5:05 AM Jeff, It has to be a ZX-8 doesn't it, weren't the electronics upgraded from the 7 to 9? Cheers, Ben a message dated 6/11/2008 10:09:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: Enjoy your vitually w/f free ZXL-IX, which is what I choose to name your deck! :) I've got a name for the leftovers - ZX-9 (without the transport) + 1000ZXL transport = ZX-7 -----Original Message----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 5:21 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In a message dated 6/11/2008 10:09:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: Enjoy your vitually w/f free ZXL-IX, which is what I choose to name your deck! :) I've got a name for the leftovers - ZX-9 (without the transport) + 1000ZXL transport = ZX-7   JW Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. 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I had someone send me a Citation 16A surrounded by so much bubble wrap you could have rolled it down a hill. In fact, it looked like FedX had done just that and more to the box, but the amp was fine! I'm sure Tom/Willy/others can give advice on packing specific to the Dragon if you need to send it. > >Why don't you contact them first. Maybe they can give you an idea of what it needs and if you really need to send it out. Maybe someone knows another tech in your area (sorry I'm on the west Coast). > >Good Luck, >David > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jun 12 16:19:21 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:19:21 EDT Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! Message-ID: In a message dated 6/12/2008 2:29:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Jeff, It has to be a ZX-8 doesn't it, weren't the electronics upgraded from the 7 to 9? Cheers, Ben Honestly Ben, I don't think there's any significant difference between the ZX-7 and ZX-9 electronics. I know about the "super-tuned edition" but it's been 25 years now and a ZX-7 in really good condition in 2008 is going to be better than a "super-tuned edition" with more miles on it. I really believe that at the present time, condition, not model, it the main issue. Enjoy your deck(s)! Jeff W **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. 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URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 18:40:34 2008 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:40:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to Naktalkers In-Reply-To: <374279.67131.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <200806111540.m5BCLwwq005917@zxe.naks.com> <374279.67131.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <112a7fe30806120940w2ee7b46ejc60fec963da4c0e7@mail.gmail.com> It would be a good lesson to all sellers to Stop taking Paypal.This company is out of control.There are more reliable ways to transfer funds for both buyers & sellers.Regards,M On 6/11/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Well...I'm never one to kick a man when he's down. God > knows I've been there myself and have great empathy > for Victor's situation. It's easy to say in hindsight, > 'What the hell was he thinking of; putting all his > eggs in one basket, ergo ebay/PayPal'. But I wonder > that *if* I had a houseful of electronics to get rid > of in a short amount of time, whether or not I would > be so flippant as to decline on the use of > ebay/PayPal. > > I have enough trouble controlling the ebay beast...ya > know, that little hairy, ugly devil that bites you in > the ass when you try to 'pass on' your favorite > auction page, or see one of your favorite sellers has > something to good to be true.;-) I've always had real > serious reservations about making primary income on > ebay-simply because of the horror stories I've always > heard about a few miscreant buyers who destroy > everything for a seller. > > This scam about getting a refund from PayPal, (no > matter what the circumstances are from the buyer) has > been going on for a long time. A lot of the buyers as > was said earlier, not only get the refund, but somehow > get to keep the item as well. That's certainly not a > system that's working either and wholly not my > personal experience with PayPal. But then, I don't > have a black, dishonest heart, and whine & cry like > the posers do to get my money back. > > Kevin > > > I have some information about Victor. > > Ironically, it was, according to Victor, eBay and > PayPal together wiped > out > his finances. The tragedy of this is that Victor > apparently had around > 500 > satisfied customers, from a turnover of around $47k in > one year. And > yet it > took just one customer to complain to eBay and wham! > Victor said, > "After > this one ebay buyer filed a claim (he did not like the > item and wanted > a > $200 partial refund - or else!) Paypal immediately > took $800 out > directly > from our bank account as a result of this buyer's > claim against me. > Then > ebay accelerated their $650 invoice, again debiting > this directly from > our > bank account. Paypal buyer credit followed with > another $490. The bank > closed our account resulting in our total financial > collapse." On top > of > this apparently he was hit by a loss of $1200 paid to > an online company > who > never delivered the goods he ordered. Of course, it > would be wrong of > me to > repeat the name of this company without giving them > right of reply. > Victor > said that this financial collapse meant he was unable > to ship 7about > packed > items to customers who had paid. > > Have you heard of the Better Business Bureau? It's a > great site for > checking out a business to see if they have a bad > record. Take a look > at > this one as an example: > http://search.newyork.bbb.org/reports.aspx?pid=44 > > &page=1&id=85062 Victor knows them. > > Victor said, "Meanwhile, because of the ebay and > paypal policies (buyer > is > always right) I have never been able to recover and am > now fighting for > my > life - literally." > > I find that scary. > > Gra' > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Jun 12 20:48:46 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:48:46 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to Naktalkers Message-ID: In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:47:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, angel9esoteric at gmail.com writes: It would be a good lesson to all sellers to Stop taking Paypal.This company is out of control.There are more reliable ways to transfer funds for both buyers & sellers.Regards,M Please name even one other way which gives Buyer's Protection - I'd really like to know. Jeff W **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Jun 12 20:49:13 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:49:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In-Reply-To: <6934203.1213279896565.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa .earthlink.net> References: <6934203.1213279896565.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080612184913.RQIC23410.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Tom, Thanks for the suggestion as I actually think I know this place! I have a friend that worked at Bose in Cambridge and I think Audio Lab was in the neighborhood. Wonderful! At 10:11 AM 6/12/2008, you wrote: >Roland, >Audio Lab in Cambridge will do a good job calibrating your >Dragon. 617-864-9810 > >tom brucker the slow guy! > >-----Original Message----- > >From: fripp_em > >Sent: Jun 11, 2008 5:03 PM > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! > > > >Hi Roland. Shipping your precious Nak will be a risk and you will > need to really, really over pack it (1 inch bubble wrap many times > around in all directions and double box) but it can be done. I had > someone send me a Citation 16A surrounded by so much bubble wrap > you could have rolled it down a hill. In fact, it looked like FedX > had done just that and more to the box, but the amp was fine! I'm > sure Tom/Willy/others can give advice on packing specific to the > Dragon if you need to send it. > > > >Why don't you contact them first. Maybe they can give you an idea > of what it needs and if you really need to send it out. Maybe > someone knows another tech in your area (sorry I'm on the west Coast). > > > >Good Luck, > >David > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 12 20:54:52 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:54:52 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! Message-ID: <31996892.1213296892423.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> One of my passions is service. When I go on vacation I love to visit other shops, which is how I found them. Audio lab is 2 blocks from Harvard, in an upstairs location. If you call ahead they will meet you at your car and take your Dragon upstairs. Their tech is a German-American and very picky, also very organized. BTW, they have a variety of Nak parts decks. I invited them to join NakTalk but I don't think they have. web link is www.theaudiolab.com tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Roland >Sent: Jun 12, 2008 1:49 PM >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! > >Tom, > >Thanks for the suggestion as I actually think I know this place! I >have a friend that worked at Bose in Cambridge and I think Audio Lab >was in the neighborhood. > >Wonderful! > >At 10:11 AM 6/12/2008, you wrote: >>Roland, >>Audio Lab in Cambridge will do a good job calibrating your >>Dragon. 617-864-9810 >> >>tom brucker the slow guy! >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >From: fripp_em >> >Sent: Jun 11, 2008 5:03 PM >> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! >> > >> >Hi Roland. Shipping your precious Nak will be a risk and you will >> need to really, really over pack it (1 inch bubble wrap many times >> around in all directions and double box) but it can be done. I had >> someone send me a Citation 16A surrounded by so much bubble wrap >> you could have rolled it down a hill. In fact, it looked like FedX >> had done just that and more to the box, but the amp was fine! I'm >> sure Tom/Willy/others can give advice on packing specific to the >> Dragon if you need to send it. >> > >> >Why don't you contact them first. Maybe they can give you an idea >> of what it needs and if you really need to send it out. Maybe >> someone knows another tech in your area (sorry I'm on the west Coast). >> > >> >Good Luck, >> >David >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>hitech77 at earthlink.net >>hitech at bellsouth.net >>615-331-9241 >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Roland > Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From danzone7 at aol.com Thu Jun 12 21:50:47 2008 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:50:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning toNaktalkers In-Reply-To: <112a7fe30806120940w2ee7b46ejc60fec963da4c0e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <053a01c8ccc5$9cdbe720$0307a8c0@DR1> It is interesting that you say that, because eBay and Paypal are essentially the same company, and are joined at the hip. If you are a long term seller on eBay, you are "grandfathered" in to being able to not accept Paypal as a payment transfer option. However, if you are a new seller on eBay, they mandate that you must accept Paypal as a means of payment. You can still elect other payment options, but Paypal MUST be one of them. Dan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of MD Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:41 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning toNaktalkers It would be a good lesson to all sellers to Stop taking Paypal.This company is out of control.There are more reliable ways to transfer funds for both buyers & sellers.Regards,M On 6/11/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: > Well...I'm never one to kick a man when he's down. God knows I've been > there myself and have great empathy for Victor's situation. It's easy > to say in hindsight, 'What the hell was he thinking of; putting all > his eggs in one basket, ergo ebay/PayPal'. But I wonder that *if* I > had a houseful of electronics to get rid of in a short amount of > time, whether or not I would be so flippant as to decline on the use > of ebay/PayPal. > > I have enough trouble controlling the ebay beast...ya know, that > little hairy, ugly devil that bites you in the ass when you try to > 'pass on' your favorite auction page, or see one of your favorite > sellers has something to good to be true.;-) I've always had real > serious reservations about making primary income on ebay-simply > because of the horror stories I've always heard about a few miscreant > buyers who destroy everything for a seller. > > This scam about getting a refund from PayPal, (no matter what the > circumstances are from the buyer) has been going on for a long time. A > lot of the buyers as was said earlier, not only get the refund, but > somehow get to keep the item as well. That's certainly not a system > that's working either and wholly not my personal experience with > PayPal. But then, I don't have a black, dishonest heart, and whine & > cry like the posers do to get my money back. > > Kevin > > > I have some information about Victor. > > Ironically, it was, according to Victor, eBay and PayPal together > wiped out his finances. The tragedy of this is that Victor > apparently had around 500 satisfied customers, from a turnover of > around $47k in one year. And yet it took just one customer to > complain to eBay and wham! > Victor said, > "After > this one ebay buyer filed a claim (he did not like the item and wanted > a $200 partial refund - or else!) Paypal immediately took $800 out > directly from our bank account as a result of this buyer's claim > against me. > Then > ebay accelerated their $650 invoice, again debiting this directly from > our bank account. Paypal buyer credit followed with another $490. The > bank closed our account resulting in our total financial collapse." > On top of this apparently he was hit by a loss of $1200 paid to an > online company who never delivered the goods he ordered. Of course, > it would be wrong of me to repeat the name of this company without > giving them right of reply. > Victor > said that this financial collapse meant he was unable to ship 7about > packed items to customers who had paid. > > Have you heard of the Better Business Bureau? It's a great site for > checking out a business to see if they have a bad record. Take a look > at this one as an example: > http://search.newyork.bbb.org/reports.aspx?pid=44 > > &page=1&id=85062 Victor knows them. > > Victor said, "Meanwhile, because of the ebay and paypal policies > (buyer is always right) I have never been able to recover and am now > fighting for my life - literally." > > I find that scary. > > Gra' > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From lenaw at flash.net Thu Jun 12 21:58:52 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <149680.34729.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff: ZX-7 was in the market from 1981-84 and ZX-9 was from 1982-85. Both are over 25 years old so far. I don 't see how a ZX-7 in really good condition in 2008 is going to be better than a "super -tuned edition" with more miles on it if both are in the same condition? I may be missing something over here. Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/12/2008 2:29:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Jeff, It has to be a ZX-8 doesn't it, weren't the electronics upgraded from the 7 to 9? Cheers, Ben Honestly Ben, I don't think there's any significant difference between the ZX-7 and ZX-9 electronics. I know about the "super-tuned edition" but it's been 25 years now and a ZX-7 in really good condition in 2008 is going to be better than a "super-tuned edition" with more miles on it. I really believe that at the present time, condition, not model, it the main issue. 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URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Fri Jun 13 01:58:26 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:58:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Skewed Statements / Capstan Belt / My Integrity / Real Intentions Message-ID: <4851B822.5060407@marrscommunications.com> The following statements pertaining to my 8096-D have been made by another individual. Following his statements are my Responses. The information provided in the 1st statement below: is, was, and has been obsolete for over 2 years. These statements were carefully selected, and used to benefit a sole individual only. Since all of this nonsense has "damaged" the sales of the 8096-D, I am making the following statements to defend my integrity. I have been truthful in my business for 30 years. I have no intention letting, eBay, PayPal or One individual change that. This posting is NOT for up for discussion. This posting will NOT to be used for CONTINUED discussion, about my 8096-D. This posting is being made in hopes of bringing back "harmony" to the Naktalk group and attempt to repair any damage I might have caused Naktalk, and END the B.S. The 8096-D: Is _what it_ Is. Everything I say in this message is the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth. Just to be very, very, clear, I want everyone to know One thing before reading below. I do NOT care if I EVER sell another 8096-D ! I know it is a good belt. Some repair shops think it is a good belt and I have a BUNCH of past customers that think it is a good belt. I will have them, but will never discuss them in this type of format again, because THIS is what happens. There is only One (1) individual I have ill feelings for, over what has transpired. First quote used by Individual: This is a statement originally made by me. 1. MUST SPECIFY MODEL!! New, Fresh Inventory. Capstan belt is precision cut to .030". GUARANTEED NO WOW/FLUTTER ISSUES due to inferior belt manufacturing. O.E.M. QUALITY and O.E.M. SIZE. Belt sources are drying up and production could end at any time, so stock up on spares for your machine NOW! (The formats we are using today do NOT use belts, so why continue to manufacture them?). I purchase the belts in bulk and had assemble the kits. The Quality is Excellent and the price is fair. Making the kits up by hand is very time consuming, and requires a lot of belt inventory. Please keep this in mind when considering my prices. Reduced Shipping! ( I have been listening ). Shipping is now FIXED at $4.00, for up to 5 kits in the lower 48, and $7.00 Worldwide. NOTE: Pictures are for reference only and do NOT imply models listed on the package are the same. You must SPECIFY MODEL!! Kits available in the price category: 250, 350, 500, 550, 600, 600II, BX-1, BX-2, MR-1, MR-2, RX-202, 303, 505. ( DR, CR3A, CR5A, CR7A AND DRAGON coming soon! ). Check my other listings for more Nakamichi, Marantz, Harman Kardon and Tandberg machines. More high end Brands and models coming soon! Payment by PayPal only. __ UPDATE: I went shopping. The current price for a OLD original production Nakamichi, capstan belt ONLY, is $45. A aftermarket replacement is $30.00. This is for the capstan belt only. THIS MAKES MY KITS A BARGAIN! Please take a look at my web site: http://www.marrscommunications.com THANKS! Response: This was in fact, one of my original listings on eBay for the mentioned Nakamichi Machines. After ordering an ORIGINAL "C" from ESL, It was obvious the belt I was using in the kit was NOT OEM size, and the listing was changed immediately. Again, this was over 2 years ago, maybe close to 3 years. For reference check my current listings. 2. Fred has hung out on Naktalk to learn the lingo he needs to word his ads, that's all . RESPONSE: Belt Lingo ? I had already done over 2 years of research on the Belt business, Prior to listing Belts on eBay, or knowing Naktalk existed. Buy the Way, I was informed about Naktalk, by Russ Seals, a Naktalk member and my Customer. 3. The "PROOF" that his belt is not a re-manufacture of the original 8096C belt is undeniable, to everyone who does not share your pro-Fred bias. IT IS THE WRONG SIZE - that's a FACT as in "PROOF." RESPONSE: I have always stated my Belt is: 9.5" X .200 X 0.018 " . Have I Not ? ( Please refer to any my past statements ). Although some disagree with this claim, and measurements have varied, I never said the "D" was 9.2", I.C., NEVER!. Xxx, I gave you these dimensions before the Belt was for sale, and I sent you 1 you purchased, and the 1 I sent for your testing. I can back this up with my notes, if you do not remember. Again, my Guarantee in the Contract, with the factory is: 9.5" X .200 X 0.018 . Wall thickness tolerance is ( + / - , that's Plus or Minus: 0.001 . SO: 0.017" to 0.019" . ( FACE ). 4. In my first email to you I mentioned that Xxx _ had tested Fred's belt with high peak wow and flutter, just as I myself had, and posted to Naktalk myself. C:), By the way, Fred is now claiming on eBay that his belt is "approved by Nakamichi". What a LIE! You tell me I have no "proof" but Xxx and I have both tested the belt with results which indicate there are real problems with it - peak wow and flutter as high as 0.4. RESPONSE: A:) I Begged Xxx to give me the Truth about his findings in the very beginning. The story I got was his T-100 was "acting up". I also offered to him: Xxx, if you find problems with the belt or don't like the "feel" of the belt, just tell me. I will not be mad. I need to know the truth. Your reply was the T-100 problem. I gave you every opportunity! ? B:) Why is it, when someone posted a positive comment about the 8096-D, it was ignored AND, those people who made positive statements, were given hell ? C.) Yes, I am making the following statement in my current listings on the 8096-D. NAKAMICHI 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT, Nakamichi APPROVED ! NAKAMICHI APPROVED, PURCHASED, & USED THIS BELT + ! The 8096-D is a Freshly Manufactured Version of the Original Nakamichi OCO 8096C Capstan Belt. This Belt is manufactured in JAPAN, by a O.E.M.(Original Equipment Manufacturer), which was Contracted by NAKAMICHI, to supply ALL of their belt requirements for 3 years, including the 8096C! It is Guaranteed to meet Nakamichi Factory *Specifications* ! *(Not responsible for machines that require service to meet specifications). This Belt is used in the 480Z, 481Z, 482, 482Z, 580M, 581, 582, 582Z, 660ZX, 670ZX, 680ZX, 681ZX, 682ZX, (Including All Non-ZX machines), RX-303, RX-505, LX-3, LX-5 and ZX-7, 700ZXE, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL. It also will meet specifications in the CR-3A!. PERFORMANCE VERIFIED, by (2) INDIVIDUALS, One who services Nakamichi Cassette Decks. Both test results are posted on Naktalk for your reference. I have NO business OR financial ties with the individuals who performed the test. I DID NOT REQUEST THE TEST. The Test were reprinted with the permission of NakTalk and the (2) Two, Testers. Why am I being so Direct and " to the point " ? Because every word is true, I want no misunderstandings, AND I CAN prove this in any court of Law. Everything is documented! ( NO, I will not show you ). 5. I know Fred is a liar, because he lied about me on Naktalk. RESPONSE: After "tension" began to create problems on Naktalk, and I was NEW to the group, I only told the truth about having to Report this individual to eBay, to make him stop sending, let's call them, "unfriendly" e-mails, about what I was charging for shipping on my kits. If the individual denies this, why did the e-mails stop after I reported it to eBay? Trust me, It's True. 6. There are still Republicans that say there's no science to indicate global warming's a problem - that's about what your sample comments are worth. No matter how many belts test bad, you will always find some way to argue against the tests, that's exactly your bias. The belts Xxx and I and several other people got were acquired randomly, and they tested higher than spec in every, every case, as far as I have been able to determine. Xxxx Xxxxx has also obtained his belts independently from Fred. The one person who tested them at spec doesn't know how to use the T-100, if his eBay ads are to be believed. As for Xxxx s tetsts, they are average W&F numbers, and it isn't the average that is so much at issue as the peaks. His tests are not relevant to the fundamental issue, which could be regarded as quality control. And, if Fred's quality control is so poor that some of the belts suck and others are good, that in itself shows they're not made to Nak specs, because Nak belts do not show that problem. Your very rationale is to argue that Fred's belts have such poor quality control that any sample might be bad. Haha - who wants to buy crap like that? BTW, I've got a son with a degree in statistics from UCLA, and he is of the opinion that the randomness of the samples is much more important than the size. If different people get the same result from discrete samplings, that's valid. And by the way, I've used more than one of Fred's new belts with similar results - you're even making false assumptions. RESPONSE: Crap? The statement above is typical of the individual making the statement. His FIRST problem with my belt was the physical dimensions even though he new up front what they were. That did not work, so now it's Quality Control. I now understand why my customers that have purchased and used my belt, and think it is GREAT, have been so hesitant to make positive comments about them. I do NOT blame them, when they know they are going to be subjected to this type of interrogation, from this type of individual. Would You ? 7. Fact number one - this is now the THIRD belt Fred has made the claim for that it is the "OEM replacement for the 8096"._( B.) The one person who tested them at spec doesn't know how to use the T-100, if his eBay ads are to be believed. RESPONSE: a:) The ONLY belt I made this claim about, was the very first belt I used in the kits for machines using the 8096. As explained previously, when I received my ( " Original " ), from ESL the statement was dropped immediately. B:) In regards to "Andy's" test on the "D". I did not ask him to post. I did not pay him to post, he received NO compensation in any way, AND I have never even spoken to him on the phone. I don't know what picture is being referred to about :__ that "proves" he does not know how to use a T-100. __ BUT, I DO know the "claim" about the picture was made quite some time, AFTER the positive post was made. Then, Andy was contacted and chastised for it? Why? Andy is free to do and test whatever he wants. It is nobody's "job" or, do they have the authority, (other than Wouter), to contact him and give him hell just for making a POSITIVE post. Andy did nothing wrong and thought, he was doing the Group AND Me a favor. WAIT A MINUTE, I Thought the group was "all about" a common Goal? I guess "someone" was so concerned the "D", received a "clean bill of health", they could not control themselves? Common Goal my ass. 8. Even Fred now admits his first 2 belts weren't close to spec. Anyone who helped him sell those belts, like ------ who allowed Fred to post lies about me and would not allow me to respond, is an accessory to fraud RESPONSE: a:) What ????? Not 2 belts, Only 1. And, I never claimed the first belt used, in my first kits, would meet specifications. I DID guaranteed no wow/flutter issues due to inferior belt manufacturing. ( See 2 year old eBay listing above ). I have already responded to the OEM statement. b:) The statement made by the "individual" about Fred posting lies about me has already been discussed AND explained above. 9. I think the mud slinging has already damaged Fred's reputation, but I know for sure you and some of the others have damaged your own, in the eyes of some NakTalk members. This is exactly why I am making this post / e-mail. I am sending this to members for which, I have mail addresses. FOR THE RECORD: I am going to repeat the following statements. It will be here for everyone to see, and for reference. For the purpose of MY protection Only, my Attorney is receiving a copy of this statement, in addition to "some" previous ---statements made behind my back. If given the chance, this One Individual, will Distort these Statements I am making, to the people receiving this email ! I want NO misunderstandings as to what have said OR what I am about to say. CLOSING: 1. I have no intention of damaging Naktalk or it's members, in ANY way. 2. There is only 1 individual I know of, in the group that make the type of statements above, about fellow members ( off line ), in private emails. This has been going on for some time. 3. Some of you, but not all, know I have withdrawn my offer to have ANY belt, of any flavor, OR the 8096 in any configuration you think is "Original", manufactured. I have withdrawn my offer for 2 reasons. A.) for the sake of Naktalk. B.) It is apparent to me, god himself could not provide a 8096, that would make the majority of the group happy OR everyone be convinced it was "ORIGINAL". There is no such thing, as " ORIGINAL" and there never will be. "Original" is a thing of the past. _ Move On. 4. Every Word in the following statement is, FACT and TRUE. I have said this before but want to be very clear. Everything I stated in the past, and in this message, about the 8096-D is True. The 8096-D, in it's current configuration, was purchased by Nakamichi, was approved by Nakamichi, and was Installed on the "assemble line" by Nakamichi, for 3 years . It was purchased by Nakamichi, as the OCO-8096C. I now call it the 8096-D. The 8096-D is NOT 9.2" I.C.. I never stated OR claimed, it was 9.2" I.C.. The 8096-D IS: 9.5" I.C. X .200 wide X 0.017" to 0.019" thick. The 8096-D is manufactured in JAPAN. The Factory in JAPAN held a contract with Nakamichi to supply ALL belts to them, for 3 years. The Belt I am selling, the 8096-D, was purchased by Nakamichi as the 8096C, was Approved by Nakamichi, AND installed by Nakamichi by the thousands, on "ORIGINAL TRANSPORT" machines on the assembly line, for 3 years, by Nakamichi. REAL INTENTIONS: What have the REAL INTENTIONS been behind all of this controversy ? I know, have you figured it out ? Think about it, and it will become obvious. Who Won the Battle ? Please, do not take what I am about to say, and make "ANYTHING out of it." It is only an observation and my opinion. I will say again, I have no ill feelings with ANYONE in the Group, except the One " Individual". It is of my opinion, if most attitudes, most approaches, in the group, and the ability to NOT, be influenced by 1 non-beliver or critic, is NOT overcome, _ the Group will never have the "Golden Belt". I FAILED to make everyone understand what was available. A factory that produced belts for Nakamichi, A factory Nakamichi purchased their product from, and a factory that supplied Nakamichi with product they approved! From the very beginning, I made the statement repeatedly, I can have ANY "flavor" of 8096 you want manufactured. I can have any other belt of interest, you want manufactured. Look where we are. Nowhere! As in ANY group, there is this tendency to get sucked into the following: yes but I, no but you, mine is purple, no mine is blue, Mine is 6", well, mine is 8", thing. This happens in ALL groups UNLESS, you never, never, "lose focus" that, this is a group effort, this is a team effort, WE need this, WE will get this.. NO I this, and I, that. Even then, it is very very hard to do. We ALL have egos and we tend to let them get in the way. Look at the group with this point of view, and you WILL make progress. Can you honestly say WE, made ANY progress ? Thank you to those that listened. I am very sorry it came to this. I tolerated the "crap" as long as any "sane" person should. Fred M. Marrs Communications. <> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Jun 13 03:13:01 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-2 and tape take up In-Reply-To: <828517.59025.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <552495.57705.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Speaking of CR-2, I see Willy has a CR-2A up on ebay. The CR-2 I have was the first Nak I got and I use it in my office with a nice TA-2A. I had mine serviced by Willy a little while back (didn't need much) and really like this deck. I bought it at thrift store, remembering how much I liked Nakamichi decks in my H.S./College days when I couldn't afford my own, and it started me on this Nak addiction... I was really impressed when I brought it home and put in some of my old tapes. I was so glad I saved many of them. David --- On Wed, 6/11/08, fripp_em wrote: > I notice that my CR-2 doesn't take up tape when load a > tape and I don't see anywhere in the manual that it > should. > > Was this feature not used on some decks. If so, those who > don't like it might go for decks without the feature. > Everything else works perfectly. > > Thanks, > David > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jun 13 03:28:06 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:28:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to Naktalkers In-Reply-To: <112a7fe30806120940w2ee7b46ejc60fec963da4c0e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806111540.m5BCLwwq005917@zxe.naks.com> <374279.67131.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <112a7fe30806120940w2ee7b46ejc60fec963da4c0e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910806121828k5caa673cmb7958728927ee0b0@mail.gmail.com> eBay wants to make PayPal the only payment method in Australia, BTW. 2008/6/12 MD : > It would be a good lesson to all sellers to Stop taking Paypal.This > company is out of control.There are more reliable ways to transfer > funds for both buyers & sellers.Regards,M > > On 6/11/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: >> Well...I'm never one to kick a man when he's down. God >> knows I've been there myself and have great empathy >> for Victor's situation. It's easy to say in hindsight, >> 'What the hell was he thinking of; putting all his >> eggs in one basket, ergo ebay/PayPal'. But I wonder >> that *if* I had a houseful of electronics to get rid >> of in a short amount of time, whether or not I would >> be so flippant as to decline on the use of >> ebay/PayPal. >> >> I have enough trouble controlling the ebay beast...ya >> know, that little hairy, ugly devil that bites you in >> the ass when you try to 'pass on' your favorite >> auction page, or see one of your favorite sellers has >> something to good to be true.;-) I've always had real >> serious reservations about making primary income on >> ebay-simply because of the horror stories I've always >> heard about a few miscreant buyers who destroy >> everything for a seller. >> >> This scam about getting a refund from PayPal, (no >> matter what the circumstances are from the buyer) has >> been going on for a long time. A lot of the buyers as >> was said earlier, not only get the refund, but somehow >> get to keep the item as well. That's certainly not a >> system that's working either and wholly not my >> personal experience with PayPal. But then, I don't >> have a black, dishonest heart, and whine & cry like >> the posers do to get my money back. >> >> Kevin >> >> >> I have some information about Victor. >> >> Ironically, it was, according to Victor, eBay and >> PayPal together wiped >> out >> his finances. The tragedy of this is that Victor >> apparently had around >> 500 >> satisfied customers, from a turnover of around $47k in >> one year. And >> yet it >> took just one customer to complain to eBay and wham! >> Victor said, >> "After >> this one ebay buyer filed a claim (he did not like the >> item and wanted >> a >> $200 partial refund - or else!) Paypal immediately >> took $800 out >> directly >> from our bank account as a result of this buyer's >> claim against me. >> Then >> ebay accelerated their $650 invoice, again debiting >> this directly from >> our >> bank account. Paypal buyer credit followed with >> another $490. The bank >> closed our account resulting in our total financial >> collapse." On top >> of >> this apparently he was hit by a loss of $1200 paid to >> an online company >> who >> never delivered the goods he ordered. Of course, it >> would be wrong of >> me to >> repeat the name of this company without giving them >> right of reply. >> Victor >> said that this financial collapse meant he was unable >> to ship 7about >> packed >> items to customers who had paid. >> >> Have you heard of the Better Business Bureau? It's a >> great site for >> checking out a business to see if they have a bad >> record. Take a look >> at >> this one as an example: >> http://search.newyork.bbb.org/reports.aspx?pid=44 >> >> &page=1&id=85062 Victor knows them. >> >> Victor said, "Meanwhile, because of the ebay and >> paypal policies (buyer >> is >> always right) I have never been able to recover and am >> now fighting for >> my >> life - literally." >> >> I find that scary. >> >> Gra' >> >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From johnnyjess at embarqmail.com Fri Jun 13 05:11:02 2008 From: johnnyjess at embarqmail.com (john gervickas) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:11:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 670zx Message-ID: <001901c8cd03$1d447200$6501a8c0@D728WBB1> I have a 670zx which I love. To me, the perfect cassette deck. The only issue I have is that when I first start to play a tape, it drops out. Each time I hit play, it returns to normal, but will drop out again. It only does it on some tapes (particulary 100 minute tapes). After playing a tape all the way through, the problem is corrected, and it will play any tape perfectly. The NAK folks in Connecticut informed me that it's a problem to due with the tape skewing off the heads (something to do with tape tension?). They said they can fix it for approx. $230 plus shipping (and living without my NAK until it's done!). Is this a repair I could do myself? I wish I had a local shop, but no hi-fi shops in SW Florida that I know of. Any help would be greatly appreciated! (BTW, I recently tried playing my NAK directly through my amp (Classe 15) (w/ Vandersteen 2ce signatures) The sound was awesome!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When I go on vacation I love to visit other shops... tom brucker From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 13 13:59:46 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 04:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to Naktalkers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <429416.58636.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As a buyer, paypal is the only route for money back amicably. As a seller, it might be a nightmare if one is a bad/hazy seller. So whats the real solution? Be careful. Period.Good Luck! Ram --- On Thu, 6/12/08, Bansijeff at aol.com <Bansijeff at aol.com> wrote: From: Bansijeff at aol.com <Bansijeff at aol.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to Naktalkers To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 2:48 PM In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:47:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, angel9esoteric at gmail.com writes: It would be a good lesson to all sellers to Stop taking Paypal.This company is out of control.There are more reliable ways to transfer funds for both buyers & sellers.Regards,M Please name even one other way which gives Buyer's Protection - I'd really like to know.   Jeff W Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am not endorsing the following buisness. This is only being shown for discussion purposes. example: Escrow.com Protects Online Buyers and Sellers from Fraud Guiding Buyers and Sellers Safely Through the Online Escrow Process How does it work? Buyer and Seller Agree to Terms Both parties agree to terms of the transaction, which includes a description of the merchandise, sale price, number of days for the Buyer's inspection, and any shipping information. Buyer Pays Escrow.com The Buyer submits an available payment option. Escrow.com verifies the payment. Processing time varies by payment method. Seller Ships Merchandise Upon payment verification, the Seller is authorized to ship merchandise and submit tracking information. Escrow.com verifies that the Buyer receives the shipment. Buyer Accepts the Merchandise The Buyer has a set number of days for an inspection and the option to accept or reject the merchandise. For more information, FAQs - Return Questions. Escrow.com Pays the Seller Escrow.com pays the Seller by the method selected by the Seller. The transaction is complete. -------------- Original message from shanti ramachandran : -------------- As a buyer, paypal is the only route for money back amicably. As a seller, it might be a nightmare if one is a bad/hazy seller. So whats the real solution? Be careful. Period.Good Luck! Ram --- On Thu, 6/12/08, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: From: Bansijeff at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to Naktalkers To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 2:48 PM In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:47:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, angel9esoteric at gmail.com writes: It would be a good lesson to all sellers to Stop taking Paypal.This company is out of control.There are more reliable ways to transfer funds for both buyers & sellers.Regards,M Please name even one other way which gives Buyer's Protection - I'd really like to know. 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URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 14:36:38 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:36:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to Naktalker In-Reply-To: <429416.58636.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <429416.58636.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10806130536y46dbd9eag2995897b51cd3a63@mail.gmail.com> Paypal is already a nightmare even for a brilliant seller dealing with a dodgy buyer - because they hold the payment until buyer gives positive feedback ! How is that fair ? How to be careful with a consistently dodgy buyer if sellers are not allowed to post negative or neutral feedback - the buyer will remain with 100% positive record and keep on screwing sellers. I'm not saying the od system was perfect, but this is now ridiculously tipped in buyers' favour. Ebay is now a Buyer's paradise - I will buy everything I can from there now because I can claim unjustified refunds and keep the goods and keep on doing it - until there are no sellers left. On 6/13/08, shanti ramachandran wrote: > > As a buyer, paypal is the only route for money back amicably. > > As a seller, it might be a nightmare if one is a bad/hazy seller. > > So whats the real solution? Be careful. Period.Good Luck! > > Ram > > --- On *Thu, 6/12/08, Bansijeff at aol.com * wrote: > > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to > Naktalkers > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 2:48 PM > > In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:47:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > angel9esoteric at gmail.com writes: > > It would be a good lesson to all sellers to Stop taking Paypal.This > company is out of control.There are more reliable ways to transfer > funds for both buyers & sellers.Regards,M > > Please name even one other way which gives Buyer's Protection - I'd > really like to know. > > Jeff W > > > > ------------------------------ > Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008 > . > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Fri Jun 13 14:54:36 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to Naktalkers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <294620.81083.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree. Ebay gets nothing from the buyers; only from the sellers and they need to protect their money trees as their highest priority. Where the buyers going to get their money back on anything that is not as described, overrated and never being sent by the sellers? Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:47:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, angel9esoteric at gmail.com writes: It would be a good lesson to all sellers to Stop taking Paypal.This company is out of control.There are more reliable ways to transfer funds for both buyers & sellers.Regards,M Please name even one other way which gives Buyer's Protection - I'd really like to know. Jeff W --------------------------------- Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfallon at windstream.net Fri Jun 13 15:10:45 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 9:10:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] For Sale Nak DR-2 3 head cassette deck Message-ID: <20080613131045.SWAX9682.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Maybe not the best time to post this with all the eBay/PayPal problems/ripoffs being discussed. Since this is an legit deal, though, here goes. I am selling a DR-2 for a friend who bought it new in the late nineties from the Listening Post in Shadyside. Deck was made in Phillipines. I think the sales slip is still in the box. Deck is in fine working condition. Play/rewind/FF all work as expected. The deck was stored in the origianl box in a cool basement for about a year and a half. I currently have it hooked up and playing regularly. I can provide a few recent references as I have sold several hundred dollars worth of tapes over the last couple months and am currently shipping a DR3 to another buyer who saw my Craigslist-ing ad. I am asking $199. If you live near Pittsburgh and want to check it out, that would be even better. From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 13 16:28:43 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:28:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to Naktalkers In-Reply-To: <061320081236.13655.485269CE000D574F0000355722230704929B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> References: <429416.58636.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <061320081236.13655.485269CE000D574F0000355722230704929B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <4852841B.2020509@rcn.com> Escrow is expensive. My solution is simpler: I only buy locally, where I can look at the actual goods before paying, then pay in cash and save the ridiculous 'shipping' the honest sellers like so much to charge. There are many honest sellers that agree to perosonal pickup , provided the buyer still pays the 'shipping' charge. I respectfully decline. Yes, this limits the scope of my purchases. That's fine with me. As to selling, I do not deal with PayPal, period. I am an honest person and, as such, don't stand a fighting chance when dealing with sleazy businesses -- so I don't :-). -- Ron ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: > Yes, I do believe there may be one other way and it is one of the > oldest! Has anyone here tried the ESCROW method. Escrow companies are > also commonly used in the transfer of high value personal and business > property, like websites and > businesses, and in the completion of person-to-person remote auctions > (such as eBay ). In the UK escrow > accounts are often used during private property transactions to hold > solicitors' client's money, such as the deposit, until such time as > the transaction completes. > > _IMPORTANT. I am not endorsing the following buisness. This is only > being shown for discussion purposes_. > > example: Escrow.com Protects Online Buyers and Sellers from Fraud > > Guiding Buyers and Sellers Safely Through the Online Escrow Process > > > How does it work? > > 1. *Buyer and Seller Agree to Terms > * > Both parties agree to terms of the transaction, which includes a > description of the merchandise, sale price, number of days for > the Buyer's inspection, and any shipping information. > > 2. *Buyer Pays Escrow.com > * > The Buyer submits an available payment option. Escrow.com > verifies the payment. Processing > time > varies by payment method. > > 3. *Seller Ships Merchandise > * > Upon payment verification, the Seller is authorized to ship > merchandise and > submit tracking information. Escrow.com verifies that the Buyer > receives the shipment. > > 4. *Buyer Accepts the Merchandise > * > The Buyer has a set number of days for an inspection and the > option to accept or reject the merchandise. For more > information, FAQs - Return Questions > . > > 5. *Escrow.com Pays the Seller > * > Escrow.com pays the Seller by the method selected by the Seller. > The transaction is complete. > > > > -------------- Original message from shanti ramachandran > : -------------- > > As a buyer, paypal is the only route for money back amicably. > > As a seller, it might be a nightmare if one is a bad/hazy seller. > > So whats the real solution? Be careful. Period.Good Luck! > > Ram > > --- On *Thu, 6/12/08, Bansijeff at aol.com //* wrote: > > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a > salutory warning to Naktalkers > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 2:48 PM > > In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:47:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight > Time, angel9esoteric at gmail.com writes: > > It would be a good lesson to all sellers to Stop taking > Paypal.This > company is out of control.There are more reliable ways to > transfer > funds for both buyers & sellers.Regards,M > > Please name even one other way which gives Buyer's Protection > - I'd really like to know. > > Jeff W > > From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jun 13 17:29:31 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:29:31 EDT Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! Message-ID: In a message dated 6/13/2008 12:21:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: Jeff: ZX-7 was in the market from 1981-84 and ZX-9 was from 1982-85. Both are over 25 years old so far. I don 't see how a ZX-7 in really good condition in 2008 is going to be better than a "super -tuned edition" with more miles on it if both are in the same condition? I may be missing something over here. Mike Hi Mike, Assuming both decks have had basic service like lube & belts, the one which has seen the most use, not time itself, will show the most wear. Head wear is generally known, but while testing the mountain of belts I bought from sources all over the world I became aware of the issue of motor degradation. Different decks of the same model (and I've got so many Naks I can do that comparison) show major differences in performance 25 years later. One of the issues which became obvious to me is that wow & flutter is heavily dependant on the condition of both the capstan motor and the reel motor, not to mention the relative bearings involved. If you are lucky enough to get a really good ZX-7 which hasn't seen a lot of use, it is likely to actually perform better than a ZX-9 which has seen a lot of use. Now, I haven't actually performed this test on a ZX-7 and a ZX-9, as Victor Trifu ate my money for the ZX-9 I bought from him, and I only got it back from Paypal, but based on my tests on other models, I'm extrapolating. One thing that really blew my mind was how well a like-new CR-2 tested for W&F. Around the time I tested Fred's belt, I bought a CR-2 in "like-new" condition on eBay. In this case it really was "like new" and it tested very low, very steady. It actually tested BELOW 1981 classic transport decks with 2 capstans and a new 8096C belt, a 480 and a 481. This was when I became aware of the problem of peak wow-and-flutter in Fred's belt, because the needle in my simple W&F machines was swinging wildly with his belt, even though the average was lower than some other generic belts I've seen. The "like-new" CR-2 was rock-steady, really a delight to observe, and it really surprised me. I think running these tests is really a lot of fun, and I would urge anybody with interest in this stuff to get their own machines and form their own opinions based on their own test results. Leader W&F meters regularly show up on eBay relatively cheap, and often only a few people bid on them so the price doesn't get driven up. Jeff W **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Jun 13 17:45:05 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:45:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning toNaktalkers In-Reply-To: <061320081236.13655.485269CE000D574F0000355722230704929B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: I've used this when I bought my place, but has anyone here used it on eBay? Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 1:37 PM To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning toNaktalkers Yes, I do believe there may be one other way and it is one of the oldest! Has anyone here tried the ESCROW method. Escrow companies are also commonly used in the transfer of high value personal and business property, like websites and businesses, and in the completion of person-to-person remote auctions (such as eBay ). In the UK escrow accounts are often used during private property transactions to hold solicitors' client's money, such as the deposit, until such time as the transaction completes. IMPORTANT. I am not endorsing the following buisness. This is only being shown for discussion purposes. example: Escrow.com Protects Online Buyers and Sellers from Fraud Guiding Buyers and Sellers Safely Through the Online Escrow Process How does it work? 1. Buyer and Seller Agree to Terms Both parties agree to terms of the transaction, which includes a description of the merchandise, sale price, number of days for the Buyer's inspection, and any shipping information. 2. Buyer Pays Escrow.com The Buyer submits an available payment option. Escrow.com verifies the payment. Processing time varies by payment method. 3. Seller Ships Merchandise Upon payment verification, the Seller is authorized to ship merchandise and submit tracking information. Escrow.com verifies that the Buyer receives the shipment. 4. Buyer Accepts the Merchandise The Buyer has a set number of days for an inspection and the option to accept or reject the merchandise. For more information, FAQs - Return Questions. 5. Escrow.com Pays the Seller Escrow.com pays the Seller by the method selected by the Seller. The transaction is complete. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Jun 13 18:47:18 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:47:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! Message-ID: <7395EF06A7814659B607BB3192221FC1@GrahamNPC> Isn't the drive mechanism different between ZX9 and ZX7, the ZX9 same as a Dragon and (reputedly) able to produce lower w/f? Or have I got this wrong? Wouter? Don't you have both? Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 4:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In a message dated 6/13/2008 12:21:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: Jeff: ZX-7 was in the market from 1981-84 and ZX-9 was from 1982-85. Both are over 25 years old so far. I don 't see how a ZX-7 in really good condition in 2008 is going to be better than a "super -tuned edition" with more miles on it if both are in the same condition? I may be missing something over here. Mike Hi Mike, Assuming both decks have had basic ... . ... Now, I haven't actually performed this test on a ZX-7 and a ZX-9, as Victor Trifu ate my money for the ZX-9 I bought from him, and I only got it back from Paypal, but based on my tests on other models, I'm extrapolating. Jeff W _____ Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Jun 13 18:52:14 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:52:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In-Reply-To: <7395EF06A7814659B607BB3192221FC1@GrahamNPC> References: <7395EF06A7814659B607BB3192221FC1@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <38367D5E-8C91-4B7E-A270-B9710516625B@peromarta.org> I have all three. Only Dragon and ZX9 are DD. ZX7 is belt driven. -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement. Luis Peromarta El 13/06/2008, a las 18:47, Graham A Nelson escribió: Isn't the drive mechanism different between ZX9 and ZX7, the ZX9 same as a Dragon and (reputedly) able to produce lower w/f? Or have I got this wrong? Wouter? Don't you have both? Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 4:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In a message dated 6/13/2008 12:21:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: Jeff: ZX-7 was in the market from 1981-84 and ZX-9 was from 1982-85. Both are over 25 years old so far. I don 't see how a ZX-7 in really good condition in 2008 is going to be better than a "super -tuned edition" with more miles on it if both are in the same condition? I may be missing something over here. Mike Hi Mike, Assuming both decks have had basic ... . ... Now, I haven't actually performed this test on a ZX-7 and a ZX-9, as Victor Trifu ate my money for the ZX-9 I bought from him, and I only got it back from Paypal, but based on my tests on other models, I'm extrapolating. Jeff W Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= From willyherm at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 18:56:06 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:56:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In-Reply-To: <7395EF06A7814659B607BB3192221FC1@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <4852a6ab.1b068e0a.28a8.4ce6@mx.google.com> The ZX-7 has the standard mechanism as found in the 480's, 580's, 680's, 700ZXL, 1000ZXL. The ZX-9 has a single direct drive motor on the leading capstain with a belt joining it to the following capstain. The Dragon has a dual direct drive system since it drives in both directions. It has no drive belt at all. Both the ZX-9 and Dragon have markedly lower wow and flutter than the standard mechanism. I think after the last few months I've become a real expert on those transports! Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham A Nelson Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:47 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! Isn't the drive mechanism different between ZX9 and ZX7, the ZX9 same as a Dragon and (reputedly) able to produce lower w/f? Or have I got this wrong? Wouter? Don't you have both? Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 4:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In a message dated 6/13/2008 12:21:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: Jeff: ZX-7 was in the market from 1981-84 and ZX-9 was from 1982-85. Both are over 25 years old so far. I don 't see how a ZX-7 in really good condition in 2008 is going to be better than a "super -tuned edition" with more miles on it if both are in the same condition? I may be missing something over here. Mike Hi Mike, Assuming both decks have had basic ... . ... Now, I haven't actually performed this test on a ZX-7 and a ZX-9, as Victor Trifu ate my money for the ZX-9 I bought from him, and I only got it back from Paypal, but based on my tests on other models, I'm extrapolating. Jeff W _____ Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008 . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 19:16:08 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:16:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 670zx In-Reply-To: <001901c8cd03$1d447200$6501a8c0@D728WBB1> Message-ID: <4852ab5e.1e038e0a.0fe2.ffff854f@mx.google.com> A quite likely solution to the problem is replacement of the capstain belt. As the belt stretches, the leading capstain doesn't quite keep up with the trailing capstain, causing the tape to slack slightly and lose contact with the head. If you're a little bit handy, this is something you can probably replace yourself. The belt is critical for the sound quality of the machine so don't use just any belt. As far as I know the only people selling the original Nak replacement are ESL in Connecticut. They charge LOTS for it. There is a very good close alternative for sale by MarrsCommunications for a fraction the price. I find it to be about one tick higher in wow and flutter than the original belt which makes it a very good alternative. You'll see it referred to as a OC08096C (the original) or OC08096D (the marrs replacement) belt. You need to remove both top and bottom covers of the deck, then remove the backing plate of the transport which holds the capstain drive motor. This may require a right angle Phillips head screwdriver (#2). Refit the new belt and make sure it is looped around both flywheels and the motor pulley, then replace the backing plate. Happy fixing. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of john gervickas Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:11 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] NAK 670zx I have a 670zx which I love. To me, the perfect cassette deck. The only issue I have is that when I first start to play a tape, it drops out. Each time I hit play, it returns to normal, but will drop out again. It only does it on some tapes (particulary 100 minute tapes). After playing a tape all the way through, the problem is corrected, and it will play any tape perfectly. The NAK folks in Connecticut informed me that it's a problem to due with the tape skewing off the heads (something to do with tape tension?). They said they can fix it for approx. $230 plus shipping (and living without my NAK until it's done!). Is this a repair I could do myself? I wish I had a local shop, but no hi-fi shops in SW Florida that I know of. Any help would be greatly appreciated! (BTW, I recently tried playing my NAK directly through my amp (Classe 15) (w/ Vandersteen 2ce signatures) The sound was awesome!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Jun 13 19:56:24 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:56:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How-to (successfully) Fix a Sankyo-based Nak Drive Motor Message-ID: <17d5ee910806131056x524675b0oedd687cc5f95a386@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I thought I'd put out a list of DO's and DON'T's after successfully fixing the dead spots on my second drive motor, which got my recently bought CR-3A working very well (except for the high W&F, due to what seems to be an overtight capstan belt). I already read that the success rate is quite low when burnishing these motors, but there are a few possible explanations to this. DO's: - Do place a mark on the bottom cover and casing. You will need to align them back when reassembling the motor : If the back cover is not set back to the original position, the motor will either not run at full strength (or not at all) or the polarity will be reversed. I found that the position had an actual effect when I cleaned the cam motor previously in a BX-2. I marked the polarity on the back cover, and I placed it backwards when reassembling it, and the polarity was reversed! The fact is that the position of the brushes seems to relate to the magnetic fields of the magnet found in the motor casing. Hence the reversed polarity and loss of strength when they're not aligned properly. This was a real problem when I recently rebuilt the drive motor in my CR-3. The motor would barely run, which is when I remembered about the BX-2's cam motor sudden polarity change. I tried to place the back cover on the original marks and it instantly worked beautifully. That's why the cam motor is easy to rebuild : It only has two different possible cover positions, while they are infinite on the reel motor. - Do use a quite fine sanding paper when burnishing the commutator : 1500 or 2000 grit, for example. Using a drill attached to the armature shaft will make burnishing a quite easy task. - Do remove the black gunk on the brushes. Use 1500 or 2000 grit paper there too. - Do make sure when you place and remove the bottom cover, that the little nylon ring doesn't get stuck on the brushes. They can bend easily - You can use a flat blade screwdriver to remove the back cover. When you put it back, align it, and just push down to clip it back. - When you put back the idler or gear drive components, DO make sure that the bottom spring holder isn't touching the motor housing, this will otherwise cause friction. DON'T's: - Don't tighten the drill too tight on the shaft, you might damage the shaft. - If your drill has brakes, don't release the button too fast, it could untight the armature and it could fly away. (Talking from personal experience, fortunately, no damage occured) - Don't put any sort of grease in there, you're VERY likely to put some on the brushes or commutator and the motor will not work. (It will work for a few turns and you will instantly get back the three black traces on the commutator and brushes. You can use a few drops of oil, but don't get it on the brushes and commutator. These are the two parts you want to be clean. - Don't forget which part of the idler / gear assembly goes where when you remove it. Take a picture first if necessary. These are the considerations to take when cleaning the drive motors. I've successfully fixed two Sankyo-based Naks this way (which oddly, are both using gear drive). I've had troubleshooting to do with both motors before I finally got them working. The list I provided contains info that will prevent you from doing the same errors again. Cheers, Antoine From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jun 13 19:06:21 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:06:21 EDT Subject: [naktalk] eBay-Paypal Message-ID: Ebay has canceled the planned requirement to make Paypal mandatory in Australia as of today - _http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/regulator-signals-no-deal-on-ebay-plan/ n20080613065209990022_ (http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/regulator-signals-no-deal-on-ebay-plan/n20080613065209990022) JW **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Fri Jun 13 18:43:54 2008 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:43:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What a sly way to get yet another dig in about Fred's belt... Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In a message dated 6/13/2008 12:21:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lenaw at flash.net writes: Jeff: ZX-7 was in the market from 1981-84 and ZX-9 was from 1982-85. Both are over 25 years old so far. I don 't see how a ZX-7 in really good condition in 2008 is going to be better than a "super -tuned edition" with more miles on it if both are in the same condition? I may be missing something over here. Mike Hi Mike, Assuming both decks have had basic service like lube & belts, the one which has seen the most use, not time itself, will show the most wear. Head wear is generally known, but while testing the mountain of belts I bought from sources all over the world I became aware of the issue of motor degradation. Different decks of the same model (and I've got so many Naks I can do that comparison) show major differences in performance 25 years later. One of the issues which became obvious to me is that wow & flutter is heavily dependant on the condition of both the capstan motor and the reel motor, not to mention the relative bearings involved. If you are lucky enough to get a really good ZX-7 which hasn't seen a lot of use, it is likely to actually perform better than a ZX-9 which has seen a lot of use. Now, I haven't actually performed this test on a ZX-7 and a ZX-9, as Victor Trifu ate my money for the ZX-9 I bought from him, and I only got it back from Paypal, but based on my tests on other models, I'm extrapolating. One thing that really blew my mind was how well a like-new CR-2 tested for W&F. Around the time I tested Fred's belt, I bought a CR-2 in "like-new" condition on eBay. In this case it really was "like new" and it tested very low, very steady. It actually tested BELOW 1981 classic transport decks with 2 capstans and a new 8096C belt, a 480 and a 481. This was when I became aware of the problem of peak wow-and-flutter in Fred's belt, because the needle in my simple W&F machines was swinging wildly with his belt, even though the average was lower than some other generic belts I've seen. The "like-new" CR-2 was rock-steady, really a delight to observe, and it really surprised me. I think running these tests is really a lot of fun, and I would urge anybody with interest in this stuff to get their own machines and form their own opinions based on their own test results. Leader W&F meters regularly show up on eBay relatively cheap, and often only a few people bid on them so the price doesn't get driven up. Jeff W ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 18:06:47 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:06:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning toNaktalkers In-Reply-To: <4852841B.2020509@rcn.com> References: <429416.58636.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com><061320081236.13655.485269CE000D574F0000355722230704929B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> <4852841B.2020509@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4D0116CD57464D6E838D207C0B9FA560@geoffprimary> From: "Ron" > Escrow is expensive. My solution is simpler: I only buy locally, > where I can look at the actual goods before paying, then pay > in cash and save the ridiculous 'shipping' the honest sellers like > so much to charge. There are many honest sellers that agree to > perosonal pickup , provided the buyer still pays the 'shipping' > charge. I respectfully decline. I realize you're probably being sarcastic, but an honest seller would never insist on charging the shipping fees for a local pickup (and I've never run into that situation). Any time I list something on eBay, I list local pickup as an option. As long as the buyer will actually commit to a time and show up at that time, it's easier for all involved. I had one guy a few months back who was about 10 minutes away, but was apparently too busy going to school to pick a time and stick to it. After several no shows, I suggested that he simply pay for the shipping and be done with it. Every other time I've done local pickup (both as a buyer and a seller), it's worked out great and saved the buyer some money and the seller the hassle of packing the item up and getting it sent off. -- Geoffrey Reynolds From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jun 13 23:16:11 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:16:11 EDT Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 & 9 Message-ID: In a message dated 6/13/2008 9:50:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, grahamanelson at googlemail.com writes: Isn't the drive mechanism different between ZX9 and ZX7, the ZX9 same as a Dragon and (reputedly) able to produce lower w/f? Definitely. I made my comments about the ZX-7 & 9 in full knowledge of this fact. JW **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am became curious after receiving a box of assorted cassettes that included Sony FerriChrome tapes. Tom Majerus and I were recounting all the decks designed to handle ferrichrome, and how these special tape types came and went. Genuine chrome had its last stand in some prerecorded Telarc cassettes IIRC. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From thepieboy at comcast.net Fri Jun 13 19:20:27 2008 From: thepieboy at comcast.net (thepieboy at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:20:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Compatability with Luxman receiver? Message-ID: <061320081720.17270.4852AC5B00088F2C00004376221557547497010D0A079F0A089B@comcast.net> I recently purchase a used Luxman R-117 receiver. It has a provision for controlling Luxman tape decks by wired connection to the receiver with a special cable with 8-pin DIN connectors. This arrangement looks very similar to what Nakamichi has on the TA-2, TA-3, and TA-4 receivers which can be used to control the Dragon, LX-5, RX-505 and others. Does anyone know if Luxman and Nakamichi are compatible? Can you control Nak decks with the Luxman receiver? Best regards, John Derven Eugene, OR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Jun 13 23:21:20 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:21:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! Message-ID: > Isn't the drive mechanism different between ZX9 and ZX7, the ZX9 > same as a > Dragon and (reputedly) able to produce lower w/f? Or have I got > this wrong? > Wouter? Don't you have both? > > > Graham > ZX-9 isn't the same as the Dragon. ZX-9 has a direct drive front capstan which also powers the rear capstan by a belt. The Dragon (more due to its auto-reverse- playback feature, probably) has both capstans mechanically independent direct driven (i.e. 2 direct drive motors).-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Jun 14 02:00:56 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 01:00:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 v ZX-7, etc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <265476D0FCE64EC2A06D409D4D370275@GrahamNPC> Of course! Sorry, Jeff. Memory like a sieve! I forgot for a moment you didn't get the ZX-9. Odd thing. You didn't get a ZX-9, but a few years ago I won one on eBay, which was delivered to me personally by a seller from Holland, all the way to the UK and virtually to my door. This from a guy who later was being hunted by an eBay buyer who reckoned my seller had run off with his money, after not sending goods he sold him on eBay. Scammer? Well, he didn't scam me - he even refused pre-payment, not even a deposit from me - I paid cash on delivery. He played it straight with me, but he was later given the eBay Boot-up-the-Bum. Strange ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com [mailto:Bansijeff at aol.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:15 PM To: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In a message dated 6/13/2008 2:08:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: Thought so. Have you tested both for comparison? you can refer to my original post for that info JW _____ Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Jun 14 10:33:26 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:33:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutorywarningtoNaktalkers In-Reply-To: <53EEFE1671F144239D5CC053A7CF62BE@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <84E02A8F8C9144B6B0216745FB2DBDE3@GrahamNPC> You'd think so but I bought for one of my boys a Fender beginners electric guitar kit over the internet and arranged for a personal pick-up as the company was in 30 minutes drive from here. They STILL charged me £10 ($20) for shipping! "Company policy ..." I'd have told them to stuff their company policy and the guitar where the Sun don't shine, but I couldn't find the kit cheaper elsewhere. Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Reynolds Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 5:07 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warningtoNaktalkers I realize you're probably being sarcastic, but an honest seller would never insist on charging the shipping fees for a local pickup (and I've never run into that situation). ... Geoffrey Reynolds ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Jun 14 10:48:10 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:48:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 v ZX-7, etc In-Reply-To: <002f01c8cdf8$1c9724b0$52201052@MAXIMUS> Message-ID: <2879C30714DC491CA0C4A97DC1AC61D1@GrahamNPC> No, sorry Bernard. Try B&W. It's possible they may have stock or - if you're lucky - one from a cannibalised machine. Otherwise, the best idea I have otherwise is look in eBay, and Loot for a broken machine. Sorry I can't be of more help. Graham -----Original Message----- From: bernard smith [mailto:maximus.smith at ntlworld.com] Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 9:25 AM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 v ZX-7, etc Hello Graham Am I right in thinking you are in the UK? I am........ I have a zx670, and am in need of areplacemant cassette door assembly. A friend of mine opened it up, and it appears to be broken inside. Would you have one? or can anyone help me with this? Bernie. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jun 13 23:24:48 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:24:48 EDT Subject: [naktalk] How-to (successfully) Fix a Sankyo-based Nak Drive Motor Message-ID: In a message dated 6/13/2008 2:18:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, antdes45 at yahoo.ca writes: I thought I'd put out a list of DO's and DON'T's after successfully fixing the dead spots on my second drive motor, which got my recently bought CR-3A working very well (except for the high W&F, due to what seems to be an overtight capstan belt). If you really need a CR-3 drive motor, there's one on eBay - 150218174445 It says "reel motor" but take my word for it, it's a CR-3 drive motor. The cost is roughly the retail cost of the original too. Jeff W **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sat Jun 14 00:05:54 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] help with tape history In-Reply-To: <3691636.1213390810606.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <488481.81229.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It is because BASF ( which owns the real Chrome patent; Dupont sold the right to BASF ) won't license the chrome ( CrO2 ) technology to the Japanese companies which forced them to develop a compatible product. So that is why at that time you don't see TDK/MAXELL use the word "CrO2" but "High-Bias" instead. Mike Tom Brucker wrote: So, one day long ago Advent created a deck that recorded on chromium dioxide tape. Shortly thereafter, Nakamichi revolutionized the cassette market by introducing 3 head tritracers, the 700 and 1000. But the Naks used SX tape, which was nothing like chrome. So which came first, the SX tape or the Nak? And what were the politics that led Nak to shun chrome in favor of SX? I am became curious after receiving a box of assorted cassettes that included Sony FerriChrome tapes. Tom Majerus and I were recounting all the decks designed to handle ferrichrome, and how these special tape types came and went. Genuine chrome had its last stand in some prerecorded Telarc cassettes IIRC. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tom Majerus and I were recounting all the decks designed to handle ferrichrome, and how these special tape types came and went. Genuine chrome had its last stand in some prerecorded Telarc cassettes IIRC. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sat Jun 14 00:56:35 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:56:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] How-to (successfully) Fix a Sankyo-based Nak Drive Motor References: <17d5ee910806131056x524675b0oedd687cc5f95a386@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001d01c8cda8$bad57410$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Way to go Antoine! Thanks for sharing your experience, this is the kind of information sharing that I joined Naktalk for. Rainer S. (80stech) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antoine Deschênes" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] How-to (successfully) Fix a Sankyo-based Nak Drive Motor > Hi all, > > I thought I'd put out a list of DO's and DON'T's after successfully > fixing the dead spots on my second drive motor, which got my recently > bought CR-3A working very well (except for the high W&F, due to what > seems to be an overtight capstan belt). I already read that the > success rate is quite low when burnishing these motors, but there are > a few possible explanations to this. > > DO's: > - Do place a mark on the bottom cover and casing. You will need to > align them back when reassembling the motor : If the back cover is not > set back to the original position, the motor will either not run at > full strength (or not at all) or the polarity will be reversed. I > found that the position had an actual effect when I cleaned the cam > motor previously in a BX-2. I marked the polarity on the back cover, > and I placed it backwards when reassembling it, and the polarity was > reversed! The fact is that the position of the brushes seems to relate > to the magnetic fields of the magnet found in the motor casing. Hence > the reversed polarity and loss of strength when they're not aligned > properly. This was a real problem when I recently rebuilt the drive > motor in my CR-3. The motor would barely run, which is when I > remembered about the BX-2's cam motor sudden polarity change. I tried > to place the back cover on the original marks and it instantly worked > beautifully. That's why the cam motor is easy to rebuild : It only has > two different possible cover positions, while they are infinite on the > reel motor. > - Do use a quite fine sanding paper when burnishing the commutator : > 1500 or 2000 grit, for example. Using a drill attached to the armature > shaft will make burnishing a quite easy task. > - Do remove the black gunk on the brushes. Use 1500 or 2000 grit paper > there too. > - Do make sure when you place and remove the bottom cover, that the > little nylon ring doesn't get stuck on the brushes. They can bend > easily > - You can use a flat blade screwdriver to remove the back cover. When > you put it back, align it, and just push down to clip it back. > - When you put back the idler or gear drive components, DO make sure > that the bottom spring holder isn't touching the motor housing, this > will otherwise cause friction. > > DON'T's: > - Don't tighten the drill too tight on the shaft, you might damage the > shaft. > - If your drill has brakes, don't release the button too fast, it > could untight the armature and it could fly away. (Talking from > personal experience, fortunately, no damage occured) > - Don't put any sort of grease in there, you're VERY likely to put > some on the brushes or commutator and the motor will not work. (It > will work for a few turns and you will instantly get back the three > black traces on the commutator and brushes. You can use a few drops of > oil, but don't get it on the brushes and commutator. These are the two > parts you want to be clean. > - Don't forget which part of the idler / gear assembly goes where when > you remove it. Take a picture first if necessary. > > These are the considerations to take when cleaning the drive motors. > I've successfully fixed two Sankyo-based Naks this way (which oddly, > are both using gear drive). I've had troubleshooting to do with both > motors before I finally got them working. The list I provided contains > info that will prevent you from doing the same errors again. > > Cheers, > Antoine > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jun 14 01:10:52 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:10:52 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] help with tape history Message-ID: <8678223.1213398652245.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sat Jun 14 01:11:04 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:11:04 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In-Reply-To: <6934203.1213279896565.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I can calibrate your dragon as well however....I am a slow guy just the same. Good news is that I maybe creating some level tapes soon and possibly the TRACK alignment tapes as well. Hense the reason I am a slow guy. Should have the gear within the next month. PS to John N. I should have your 680ZX done before I start with making calibration tapes. Victor M. Gabrenas Voice: 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah FAX: 1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics Email: gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233 URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090 Office: 105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:12 AM To: fripp_em at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! Roland, Audio Lab in Cambridge will do a good job calibrating your Dragon. 617-864-9810 tom brucker the slow guy! -----Original Message----- >From: fripp_em >Sent: Jun 11, 2008 5:03 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! > >Hi Roland. Shipping your precious Nak will be a risk and you will need to really, really over pack it (1 inch bubble wrap many times around in all directions and double box) but it can be done. I had someone send me a Citation 16A surrounded by so much bubble wrap you could have rolled it down a hill. In fact, it looked like FedX had done just that and more to the box, but the amp was fine! I'm sure Tom/Willy/others can give advice on packing specific to the Dragon if you need to send it. > >Why don't you contact them first. Maybe they can give you an idea of what it needs and if you really need to send it out. Maybe someone knows another tech in your area (sorry I'm on the west Coast). > >Good Luck, >David > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jun 14 01:14:22 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:14:22 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] help with tape history Message-ID: <30516650.1213398862449.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Roland From emberphoto at hotmail.com Sat Jun 14 03:12:14 2008 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:12:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] help with tape history In-Reply-To: <3691636.1213390810606.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <3691636.1213390810606.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom, Can't speak to the "politics" involved in Nakamichi's decision; but if memory serves, The Japanese tape manufacturers were unwilling to license the Cr02 process from (I forget whether it was) Dupont or BASF, and so developed their own "Chrome-compatible" tapes, using the Cobalt-doped or similar process. Thus came Maxell UDXL-II, TDK SA (which I believe was sold to Nakamichi and branded SX), and all the other quite respectable Japanese Type II brands. There was also the opinion held by some that genuine Chrome tape was "more abrasive to heads." My experience (with BASF and Emtec "genuine Chrome" tapes) is that the bias and level points are a bit at variance with Japanese Type II tapes. Thus, a machine set up for one is going to be less than optimum with the other, especially if one is serious about Dolby tracking and all the very elusive compatibility gremlins all that entails. For all I read about tapes within a category having different "sounds," my experience has been, when bias -- and levels -- are properly set, I'd defy most of us to tell the diff between BASF Chrome and TDK SA, Nakamichi SX, Maxell UDXL-II, etc. when A-B'ing input and tape. As to Ferrichrome, I second the opinion it never caught on. I never owned a lot of Ferrichrome cassettes, but I have to think they were taken seriously by certain tape deck manufacturers. The superbly built Aiwa 6900 and 6900-II of the early '70s actually had individual "Ferrichrome" settings for bias and EQ, which solved the head-scratcher of optimizing these somewhat diverging standards. Was Ferrichrome the "horse designed by a committee" that resembled a camel and could never be made to win the Preakness and would never make it across the Sahara? Who knows, but at least I know if I should turn up one of my Ferrichromes from decades ago and decide to record on it, one of my trusty 6900's will do the job very nicely. Best, Steve Ember> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:00:10 -0500> From: hitech77 at earthlink.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] help with tape history> > So, one day long ago Advent created a deck that recorded on chromium dioxide tape. Shortly thereafter, Nakamichi revolutionized the cassette market by introducing 3 head tritracers, the 700 and 1000. But the Naks used SX tape, which was nothing like chrome. So which came first, the SX tape or the Nak? And what were the politics that led Nak to shun chrome in favor of SX?> I am became curious after receiving a box of assorted cassettes that included Sony FerriChrome tapes. Tom Majerus and I were recounting all the decks designed to handle ferrichrome, and how these special tape types came and went. Genuine chrome had its last stand in some prerecorded Telarc cassettes IIRC.> > tom brucker> > Hi Tech Service> 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211> hitech77 at earthlink.net> hitech at bellsouth.net> 615-331-9241> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat Jun 14 03:46:04 2008 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:46:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to Naktalkers In-Reply-To: <112a7fe30806120940w2ee7b46ejc60fec963da4c0e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <200806111540.m5BCLwwq005917@zxe.naks.com> <374279.67131.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <112a7fe30806120940w2ee7b46ejc60fec963da4c0e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8036549vnp63pevoh09n00qbqrtmnidsn3@4ax.com> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:40:34 -0400, MD wrote: >It would be a good lesson to all sellers to Stop taking Paypal.This >company is out of control.There are more reliable ways to transfer >funds for both buyers & sellers.Regards,M Unfortunately I have never been able to find a safe replacement for PayPal which all sellers will accept. BidPay is a Western Union thing, and it is slightly better than using Western Union because Western Unions has a flat rate structure depending on the range of money you are sending. Wheras BidPay is geared towards small amounts of money changing hands for auction goods. If I wanted to offload a lot of gear to get the money, I'd put eBay in the hat of choices, and if I had to pull eBay out of the hat and use it to sell I would. Fortunately I have gone from using money that would be better spent on myself to using money I can spare and I have had to lose out on a lot of money over the years. But in all fairness not all transactions were made through eBay. But most of my transactions are, and most of them go through without a hitch. I sent a little over $100 to Bob at Vintage Electronics in Colorado in may 2005, and he never came through, my emails went unanswered. Then I asked him again, close to 1.5 years later when I came upon the receipt from the local post office, if he ever received the money, but he just said he could not tell if he did or not. Western Union was his idea not mine. In spring of 2007 I approached the post office as the two-year limit was coming up and they wanted something like $40 to investigate if the money was paid out or not. I declined and scolded myself for having used Western Union. A method to send money is no good if you cannot tell wether the receiver gets the money or not. That was an expensive lesson for me, and since september 2006 when I asked Bob, I have avoided using Western Union. But there are bad apples everywhere, and sometimes it is just down to bad luck or a customer falling between two chairs. In reality we cannot discourage the use of every means of payment short of showing up in person, I would not get more than few items in my collection if I did not trust someone or some service at one point or other in my life. Overall people are honest, but the ratio is not changing in favor of more trust. -Mikkel >On 6/11/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: >> Well...I'm never one to kick a man when he's down. God >> knows I've been there myself and have great empathy >> for Victor's situation. It's easy to say in hindsight, >> 'What the hell was he thinking of; putting all his >> eggs in one basket, ergo ebay/PayPal'. But I wonder >> that *if* I had a houseful of electronics to get rid >> of in a short amount of time, whether or not I would >> be so flippant as to decline on the use of >> ebay/PayPal. >> >> I have enough trouble controlling the ebay beast...ya >> know, that little hairy, ugly devil that bites you in >> the ass when you try to 'pass on' your favorite >> auction page, or see one of your favorite sellers has >> something to good to be true.;-) I've always had real >> serious reservations about making primary income on >> ebay-simply because of the horror stories I've always >> heard about a few miscreant buyers who destroy >> everything for a seller. >> >> This scam about getting a refund from PayPal, (no >> matter what the circumstances are from the buyer) has >> been going on for a long time. A lot of the buyers as >> was said earlier, not only get the refund, but somehow >> get to keep the item as well. That's certainly not a >> system that's working either and wholly not my >> personal experience with PayPal. But then, I don't >> have a black, dishonest heart, and whine & cry like >> the posers do to get my money back. >> >> Kevin >> >> >> I have some information about Victor. >> >> Ironically, it was, according to Victor, eBay and >> PayPal together wiped >> out >> his finances. The tragedy of this is that Victor >> apparently had around >> 500 >> satisfied customers, from a turnover of around $47k in >> one year. And >> yet it >> took just one customer to complain to eBay and wham! >> Victor said, >> "After >> this one ebay buyer filed a claim (he did not like the >> item and wanted >> a >> $200 partial refund - or else!) Paypal immediately >> took $800 out >> directly >> from our bank account as a result of this buyer's >> claim against me. >> Then >> ebay accelerated their $650 invoice, again debiting >> this directly from >> our >> bank account. Paypal buyer credit followed with >> another $490. The bank >> closed our account resulting in our total financial >> collapse." On top >> of >> this apparently he was hit by a loss of $1200 paid to >> an online company >> who >> never delivered the goods he ordered. Of course, it >> would be wrong of >> me to >> repeat the name of this company without giving them >> right of reply. >> Victor >> said that this financial collapse meant he was unable >> to ship 7about >> packed >> items to customers who had paid. >> >> Have you heard of the Better Business Bureau? It's a >> great site for >> checking out a business to see if they have a bad >> record. Take a look >> at >> this one as an example: >> http://search.newyork.bbb.org/reports.aspx?pid=44 >> >> &page=1&id=85062 Victor knows them. >> >> Victor said, "Meanwhile, because of the ebay and >> paypal policies (buyer >> is >> always right) I have never been able to recover and am >> now fighting for >> my >> life - literally." >> >> I find that scary. >> >> Gra' >> >> >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From theshorty at bigpond.com Sat Jun 14 03:59:56 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:59:56 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 670zx References: <001901c8cd03$1d447200$6501a8c0@D728WBB1> Message-ID: <006701c8cdc2$57e9aaa0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> John, Doubt it is tape skewing.. but could be due to a number of other causes. Here is a quick and simple test which may help diagnose your problem. Take the cover off the door and whilst setting the deck into play mode from 'cold', have a look and listen i) observe the movement of the head block upwards.. does it move up quickly, smoothly and easily? ii) if movement is slow or not at all..can you hear a motor whirring away just to the right of the cassette well? chances are it is the mode control belt that needs changing.. a relatively easy job for a home handy man. Once the deck has warmed up, the belt may have a bit more 'bite' which is why the problem seems to fix itself...for the moment. I doubt it is take up tension as you don't report any tape being unravelled out of the cassette, and I take it the deck is OK in FF/RW modes. The 670ZX's are great machines.. prefered by some to the 680ZX.. for playback at least. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: john gervickas To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 1:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] NAK 670zx I have a 670zx which I love. To me, the perfect cassette deck. The only issue I have is that when I first start to play a tape, it drops out. Each time I hit play, it returns to normal, but will drop out again. It only does it on some tapes (particulary 100 minute tapes). After playing a tape all the way through, the problem is corrected, and it will play any tape perfectly. The NAK folks in Connecticut informed me that it's a problem to due with the tape skewing off the heads (something to do with tape tension?). They said they can fix it for approx. $230 plus shipping (and living without my NAK until it's done!). Is this a repair I could do myself? I wish I had a local shop, but no hi-fi shops in SW Florida that I know of. Any help would be greatly appreciated! (BTW, I recently tried playing my NAK directly through my amp (Classe 15) (w/ Vandersteen 2ce signatures) The sound was awesome!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maximus.smith at ntlworld.com Sat Jun 14 10:24:44 2008 From: maximus.smith at ntlworld.com (bernard smith) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:24:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 v ZX-7, etc References: <265476D0FCE64EC2A06D409D4D370275@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <002f01c8cdf8$1c9724b0$52201052@MAXIMUS> MessageHello Graham Am I right in thinking you are in the UK? I am........ I have a zx670, and am in need of areplacemant cassette door assembly. A friend of mine opened it up, and it appears to be broken inside. Would you have one? or can anyone help me with this? Bernie. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham A Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:00 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 v ZX-7, etc Of course! Sorry, Jeff. Memory like a sieve! I forgot for a moment you didn't get the ZX-9. Odd thing. You didn't get a ZX-9, but a few years ago I won one on eBay, which was delivered to me personally by a seller from Holland, all the way to the UK and virtually to my door. This from a guy who later was being hunted by an eBay buyer who reckoned my seller had run off with his money, after not sending goods he sold him on eBay. Scammer? Well, he didn't scam me - he even refused pre-payment, not even a deposit from me - I paid cash on delivery. He played it straight with me, but he was later given the eBay Boot-up-the-Bum. Strange ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com [mailto:Bansijeff at aol.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:15 PM To: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In a message dated 6/13/2008 2:08:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: Thought so. Have you tested both for comparison? you can refer to my original post for that info JW ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1493 - Release Date: 6/9/2008 17:25 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sat Jun 14 11:00:05 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:30:05 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Selling my decks References: <200806131002.m5DA10Ig028071@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000c01c8cdfd$0be6bc70$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi all Am selling my MR2 and a DR2 cassette decks. They have been modded a fair bit and would like to offer them here before putting them in ebay. The MR2 features : ------------------------- *) Cleaned n greased mechanism for silent performance *) Change of all electrolytic capacitors and a few film (orange caps) with nichicon/rubycon/elna/wima brand capacitors. *) Change of opamps from the NJM4558/NJM2043 to OP275 opamps with gold plated sockets, in case you want to use different opamps. *) IEC power socket The unit has a few light scratches on the face that actually cannot be seen unless you see from a close angle etc The top cover has a quite a few scratches. However, this unit performs beautifully and seen the amount of time i put into this i hate to see it go. The DR2 features ---------------------------- Almost mint condition. There are 2 dents on the back corners of the unit, due to improper postal handling. Other than that this performs flawlessly. The opamps here too have been replaced by LME4562 with gold plated IC sockets in case of your own choice of opamps. Power supply caps and other signal caps have been bypassed with quality film caps. In case of interest please let me know and i shall supply any pics etc requested. Regards Soumitra From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sat Jun 14 11:15:02 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:45:02 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Additional Items for sale References: <200806131002.m5DA10Ig028071@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000f01c8cdff$227b0020$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hello all I also would like to add : a Creative Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum soundcard and front I/O panel. The card has also had a change of all capacitors to nichicon/elna brands, with larger power supply filter caps, and the use of LME4562 SOIC opamps instead of the usual NJM4558 opamps. Card comes with usual driver and application set, 2 full version games (tomb raider and ravenshield (i think)), DVD audio sampler disc, Cubase software and I will also throw in a CDROM with Audigy ver. 4 softmod drivers and apps for the Audigy 2 card. Regards Soumi From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Jun 14 13:08:49 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:08:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] help with tape history Message-ID: My Aiwa AD1800 (was a 2-head top-of-range in the UK) and AD1700 (? - I don't use them anymore) both had settings for Ferrochrome. I used them and, at that time, preferred them to the original Memorex Chrome (of which I still have a few left - always like their cassette boxes better than the newer designs.) For the life of me, I cannot remember which brand it was. I later switched to TDK SA when the Ferrochrome started to vanish and TDKs came on the scene, often at cheaper prices than the Ferrochrome. But I did prefer the Ferrochrome (just!) over those early TDK SA's on my Aiwa's. Oddly enough, not of those tapes seemed to have survived, but if I remember correctly, that was more due to their shells than the tapes within them, and when they broke I was not adept or equipped (as I am now to change tape to one cassette to another or to splice them. (I still have a Bip splicing set altho' I could do with a fresh roll of the splicing tape now, if anyone knows where I can get one.) Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ember Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:12 AM To: Tom Brucker; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] help with tape history Hi Tom, Can't speak to the "politics" involved in Nakamichi's decision; but if memory serves, The Japanese tape manufacturers were unwilling to license the Cr02 process from (I forget whether it was) Dupont or BASF, and so developed their own "Chrome-compatible" tapes, using the Cobalt-doped or similar process. Thus came Maxell UDXL-II, TDK SA (which I believe was sold to Nakamichi and branded SX), and all the other quite respectable Japanese Type II brands. There was also the opinion held by some that genuine Chrome tape was "more abrasive to heads." My experience (with BASF and Emtec "genuine Chrome" tapes) is that the bias and level points are a bit at variance with Japanese Type II tapes. Thus, a machine set up for one is going to be less than optimum with the other, especially if one is serious about Dolby tracking and all the very elusive compatibility gremlins all that entails. For all I read about tapes within a category having different "sounds," my experience has been, when bias -- and levels -- are properly set, I'd defy most of us to tell the diff between BASF Chrome and TDK SA, Nakamichi SX, Maxell UDXL-II, etc. when A-B'ing input and tape. As to Ferrichrome, I second the opinion it never caught on. I never owned a lot of Ferrichrome cassettes, but I have to think they were taken seriously by certain tape deck manufacturers. The superbly built Aiwa 6900 and 6900-II of the early '70s actually had individual "Ferrichrome" settings for bias and EQ, which solved the head-scratcher of optimizing these somewhat diverging standards. Was Ferrichrome the "horse designed by a committee" that resembled a camel and could never be made to win the Preakness and would never make it across the Sahara? Who knows, but at least I know if I should turn up one of my Ferrichromes from decades ago and decide to record on it, one of my trusty 6900's will do the job very nicely. Best, Steve Ember -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Jun 14 14:28:42 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:28:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] help with tape history In-Reply-To: <39708F78B2E9407EBB4E4193C0F52766@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <2DB81A9A38BC4B84A7F7D29D7FC9C2CF@GrahamNPC> My Aiwa AD1800 (was a 2-head top-of-range in the UK) and AD1700 (? - I don't use them anymore) both had settings for Ferrochrome. I used them and, at that time, preferred them to the original Memorex Chrome (of which I still have a few left - always like their cassette boxes better than the newer designs.) For the life of me, I cannot remember which brand it was. I later switched to TDK SA when the Ferrochrome started to vanish and TDKs came on the scene, often at cheaper prices than the Ferrochrome. But I did prefer the Ferrochrome (just!) over those early TDK SA's on my Aiwa's. Oddly enough, not of those tapes seemed to have survived, but if I remember correctly, that was more due to their shells than the tapes within them, and when they broke I was not adept or equipped (as I am now to change tape to one cassette to another or to splice them. (I still have a Bip splicing set altho' I could do with a fresh roll of the splicing tape now, if anyone knows where I can get one.) Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ember Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:12 AM To: Tom Brucker; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] help with tape history Hi Tom, Can't speak to the "politics" involved in Nakamichi's decision; but if memory serves, The Japanese tape manufacturers were unwilling to license the Cr02 process from (I forget whether it was) Dupont or BASF, and so developed their own "Chrome-compatible" tapes, using the Cobalt-doped or similar process. Thus came Maxell UDXL-II, TDK SA (which I believe was sold to Nakamichi and branded SX), and all the other quite respectable Japanese Type II brands. There was also the opinion held by some that genuine Chrome tape was "more abrasive to heads." My experience (with BASF and Emtec "genuine Chrome" tapes) is that the bias and level points are a bit at variance with Japanese Type II tapes. Thus, a machine set up for one is going to be less than optimum with the other, especially if one is serious about Dolby tracking and all the very elusive compatibility gremlins all that entails. For all I read about tapes within a category having different "sounds," my experience has been, when bias -- and levels -- are properly set, I'd defy most of us to tell the diff between BASF Chrome and TDK SA, Nakamichi SX, Maxell UDXL-II, etc. when A-B'ing input and tape. As to Ferrichrome, I second the opinion it never caught on. I never owned a lot of Ferrichrome cassettes, but I have to think they were taken seriously by certain tape deck manufacturers. The superbly built Aiwa 6900 and 6900-II of the early '70s actually had individual "Ferrichrome" settings for bias and EQ, which solved the head-scratcher of optimizing these somewhat diverging standards. Was Ferrichrome the "horse designed by a committee" that resembled a camel and could never be made to win the Preakness and would never make it across the Sahara? Who knows, but at least I know if I should turn up one of my Ferrichromes from decades ago and decide to record on it, one of my trusty 6900's will do the job very nicely. Best, Steve Ember -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 16:09:47 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] help with tape history In-Reply-To: <488481.81229.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <44143.89984.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom< Mike et al, I have had the misfortune of using Advent's Cro2 cassettes in the early 70s(1972-1976) and also some of the BASF earlier chromes and also later ones, amongst other pure chromes. Nakamichi was, however, found on the premise of "the best" in cassettes. This meant their recorders as well as the medium. Advent's chrome in any recorder has a widespread issue of losing levels even after ABLE calibration,or manual/auto calibration on any deck you can find. This leads  to tremoundous issues with the noise reduction circuitry and does affect sound( duller muddy) even without NR. This was true in the 70s and is true now. I tested their chrome a month or so ago and saw the same issue. Moreover, it bleeds and your deck will need cleaning after every pass! BASF has the same issue, albeit a little less, than the Advent brand( made with Dupont Crolyn) and I have consistantly obtained duller sounding recordings on these tapes too as compared to the SX( Nak), SA(TDK), FUJI ( high bias), Maxelll( XL,XLII).etc.. The cobalt laced high bias on the other hand were manufactured with better shells, better binders and more uniform coating of the magnetic material and that perhaps made Nak switch to SX type II. TDKs SA was the standard by which others were judged and perhaps still are. TDK was by far the biggest player here in the mid seventies. Maxell followed and maintained very high quality. All in all Nak followed the superb quality in the non chrome high bias and adapted itself to these tapes after the 1000 Mark II. From the 660zx series on it was all calibrated to SA or XLII for type II . My 0.02c on this. Ram --- On Fri, 6/13/08, LENA WONG <lenaw at flash.net> wrote: From: LENA WONG <lenaw at flash.net> Subject: Re: [naktalk] help with tape history To: "Tom Brucker" <hitech77 at earthlink.net>, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" <naktalk at naks.com> Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 6:05 PM It is because BASF ( which owns the real Chrome patent; Dupont sold the right to BASF ) won't license the chrome ( CrO2 ) technology to the Japanese companies which forced them to develop a compatible product. So that is why at that time you don't see TDK/MAXELL use the word "CrO2" but "High-Bias" instead.     Mike Tom Brucker <hitech77 at earthlink.net> wrote: So, one day long ago Advent created a deck that recorded on chromium dioxide tape. Shortly thereafter, Nakamichi revolutionized the cassette market by introducing 3 head tritracers, the 700 and 1000. But the Naks used SX tape, which was nothing like chrome. So which came first, the SX tape or the Nak? And what were the politics that led Nak to shun chrome in favor of SX? I am became curious after receiving a box of assorted cassettes that included Sony FerriChrome tapes. Tom Majerus and I were recounting all the decks designed to handle ferrichrome, and how these special tape types came and went. Genuine chrome had its last stand in some prerecorded Telarc cassettes IIRC. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Shortly thereafter, Nakamichi revolutionized the cassette market by introducing 3 head tritracers, the 700 and 1000. But the Naks used SX tape, which was nothing like chrome. So which came first, the SX tape or the Nak? And what were the politics that led Nak to shun chrome in favor of SX? I am became curious after receiving a box of assorted cassettes that included Sony FerriChrome tapes. Tom Majerus and I were recounting all the decks designed to handle ferrichrome, and how these special tape types came and went. Genuine chrome had its last stand in some prerecorded Telarc cassettes IIRC. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 16:18:41 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] help with tape history In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <271275.97308.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve, Actually, even calibrating our more recent Naks to chrome will not solve the dull recording issue ever perfectly as the SA/ XLII tapes. This is true specially with the Advent brand and to a lesser extent, the BASF. Pure chromes are inherently more noisy ( Higher hiss) and cause severe dolby issues due to level imbalances.  Moreover, pure chromes deteriorate with age unfortunately and shed like mad and sound progressively duller with age.. Has anyone had their decks calibrated to BASF CrO2 ? I would love to hear their experience with this. regards, Ram --Hi Tom,   Can't speak to the "politics" involved in Nakamichi's decision; but if memory serves, The Japanese tape manufacturers were unwilling to license the Cr02 process from (I forget whether it was) Dupont or BASF, and so developed their own "Chrome-compatible" tapes, using the Cobalt-doped or similar process.  Thus came Maxell UDXL-II, TDK SA (which I believe was sold to Nakamichi and branded SX), and all the other quite respectable Japanese Type II brands.   There was also the opinion held by some that genuine Chrome tape was "more abrasive to heads."   My experience (with BASF and Emtec "genuine Chrome" tapes) is that the bias and level points are a bit at variance with Japanese Type II tapes. Thus, a machine set up for one is going to be less than optimum with the other, especially if one is serious about Dolby tracking and all the very elusive compatibility gremlins all that entails.   -----------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 17:33:16 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] NAK 670zx In-Reply-To: <4852ab5e.1e038e0a.0fe2.ffff854f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <126801.97819.qm@web50510.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Willy, I thought the kenwood D16-0092-08 belt was a match. It's the one Tom is using. Have you tried it? You know on classic decks I'll only use the ESL belt, but I thought the kenwood also matched specs so we could use it on my decks if needed. Thanks, David --- On Fri, 6/13/08, Willy Hermann wrote: > A quite likely solution to the problem is replacement of the > capstain belt. > As the belt stretches, the leading capstain doesn't > quite keep up with the > trailing capstain, causing the tape to slack slightly and > lose contact with > the head. If you're a little bit handy, this is > something you can probably > replace yourself. The belt is critical for the sound > quality of the machine > so don't use just any belt. As far as I know the only > people selling the > original Nak replacement are ESL in Connecticut. They > charge LOTS for it. > There is a very good close alternative for sale by > MarrsCommunications for a > fraction the price. I find it to be about one tick higher > in wow and > flutter than the original belt which makes it a very good > alternative. > You'll see it referred to as a OC08096C (the original) > or OC08096D (the > marrs replacement) belt. > > > > You need to remove both top and bottom covers of the deck, > then remove the > backing plate of the transport which holds the capstain > drive motor. This > may require a right angle Phillips head screwdriver (#2). > Refit the new > belt and make sure it is looped around both flywheels and > the motor pulley, > then replace the backing plate. > > > > Happy fixing. > > > > Willy From johnnyjess at embarqmail.com Sat Jun 14 18:15:23 2008 From: johnnyjess at embarqmail.com (john gervickas) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:15:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 670zx References: <001901c8cd03$1d447200$6501a8c0@D728WBB1> <006701c8cdc2$57e9aaa0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: <002f01c8ce39$da342f90$6501a8c0@D728WBB1> I took the door off and hit play. It seems to come up quickly and strongly. No significant sound from the motor. I have had a couple occasions while playing a pre-recorded cassette (which is much shorter in length) where it'll start making an awful squeeling kind of noise while the tape is playing. This is such a fantastic deck, I really want to get it right, but the folks in Ct. pretty much want to rebuild these, and I can't afford that now. Thanks for responding! ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin & Karen Short To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 670zx John, Doubt it is tape skewing.. but could be due to a number of other causes. Here is a quick and simple test which may help diagnose your problem. Take the cover off the door and whilst setting the deck into play mode from 'cold', have a look and listen i) observe the movement of the head block upwards.. does it move up quickly, smoothly and easily? ii) if movement is slow or not at all..can you hear a motor whirring away just to the right of the cassette well? chances are it is the mode control belt that needs changing.. a relatively easy job for a home handy man. Once the deck has warmed up, the belt may have a bit more 'bite' which is why the problem seems to fix itself...for the moment. I doubt it is take up tension as you don't report any tape being unravelled out of the cassette, and I take it the deck is OK in FF/RW modes. The 670ZX's are great machines.. prefered by some to the 680ZX.. for playback at least. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: john gervickas To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 1:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] NAK 670zx I have a 670zx which I love. To me, the perfect cassette deck. The only issue I have is that when I first start to play a tape, it drops out. Each time I hit play, it returns to normal, but will drop out again. It only does it on some tapes (particulary 100 minute tapes). After playing a tape all the way through, the problem is corrected, and it will play any tape perfectly. The NAK folks in Connecticut informed me that it's a problem to due with the tape skewing off the heads (something to do with tape tension?). They said they can fix it for approx. $230 plus shipping (and living without my NAK until it's done!). Is this a repair I could do myself? I wish I had a local shop, but no hi-fi shops in SW Florida that I know of. Any help would be greatly appreciated! (BTW, I recently tried playing my NAK directly through my amp (Classe 15) (w/ Vandersteen 2ce signatures) The sound was awesome!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jun 14 18:14:10 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:14:10 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 v ZX-7, etc Message-ID: <16138542.1213460050994.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jun 14 18:16:10 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:16:10 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 goes to auto stop Message-ID: <19237521.1213460170353.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> A rubber idler tire that slips or a stuck cam motor Both DIY tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Roland >Sent: Jun 13, 2008 8:07 PM >To: Nakamichi tapedecks >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 goes to auto stop > >I've located a BX300 for cheap. The owner states that as soon as you >hit 'PLAY', it goes to Auto stop. > >Is this one of those broken belt things where the electronics doesn't >see the hubs move so the deck thinks it is at the end of the tape? > >Roland > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 18:37:28 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] help with tape history In-Reply-To: <30516650.1213398862449.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <745638.92987.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Memorex did have a chrome. It ws the first chrome I had back in the 70's. Bob N Tom Brucker wrote: body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;} So how was the deal made between Nakamichi and the tape manufacturers? Actually, wasn't the original 1000 set up for chrome, and they fiddled with it a bit to work with SA? MAybe Mike is correct that SX tape came out after BASF wouldn't offer licenses? Didn't Memorex sell Chrome? tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: LENA WONG Sent: Jun 13, 2008 5:05 PM To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] help with tape history It is because BASF ( which owns the real Chrome patent; Dupont sold the right to BASF ) won't license the chrome ( CrO2 ) technology to the Japanese companies which forced them to develop a compatible product. So that is why at that time you don't see TDK/MAXELL use the word "CrO2" but "High-Bias" instead. Mike Tom Brucker wrote: So, one day long ago Advent created a deck that recorded on chromium dioxide tape. Shortly thereafter, Nakamichi revolutionized the cassette market by introducing 3 head tritracers, the 700 and 1000. But the Naks used SX tape, which was nothing like chrome. So which came first, the SX tape or the Nak? And what were the politics that led Nak to shun chrome in favor of SX? I am became curious after receiving a box of assorted cassettes that included Sony FerriChrome tapes. Tom Majerus and I were recounting all the decks designed to handle ferrichrome, and how these special tape types came and went. Genuine chrome had its last stand in some prerecorded Telarc cassettes IIRC. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From james.brodsky at gmail.com Sat Jun 14 18:43:57 2008 From: james.brodsky at gmail.com (James Brodsky) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:43:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] help with tape history In-Reply-To: <744678.79003.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3691636.1213390810606.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <744678.79003.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <211ca5a30806140943q3c55643dm65d45c2171d350ed@mail.gmail.com> At one point in the early 80's I had a not-very-good sounding Sony - maybe a TCFX-30 or 33, from memory, with the Type III switch positions for FeCr. I had a few Sony FeCr tapes and a few BASF "Professional III" tapes that were designed to be used in the Type III position. I don't recall the performance being any better or worse than, say, the Type II tapes from the same lines (Sony UCX and BASF Pro II Chrome). -jb On 6/13/08, Bob Naylor wrote: > Tom, Was it the FerriChrome tapes that were type 3? Bob N > > Tom Brucker wrote: So, one day long ago Advent > created a deck that recorded on chromium dioxide tape. Shortly thereafter, > Nakamichi revolutionized the cassette market by introducing 3 head > tritracers, the 700 and 1000. But the Naks used SX tape, which was nothing > like chrome. So which came first, the SX tape or the Nak? And what were the > politics that led Nak to shun chrome in favor of SX? > I am became curious after receiving a box of assorted cassettes that > included Sony FerriChrome tapes. Tom Majerus and I were recounting all the > decks designed to handle ferrichrome, and how these special tape types came > and went. Genuine chrome had its last stand in some prerecorded Telarc > cassettes IIRC. > > tom brucker > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 14 18:52:55 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] help with tape history In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <177319.21871.qm@web82307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Graham, There's the "Reel Guys" in Montana that would probably have what you need. Since I moved recently I don't have the info. They have been sellers on ebay so maybe you can find them there??? Bob N Graham A Nelson wrote: .hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } BODY.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } My Aiwa AD1800 (was a 2-head top-of-range in the UK) and AD1700 (? - I don't use them anymore) both had settings for Ferrochrome. I used them and, at that time, preferred them to the original Memorex Chrome (of which I still have a few left - always like their cassette boxes better than the newer designs.) For the life of me, I cannot remember which brand it was. I later switched to TDK SA when the Ferrochrome started to vanish and TDKs came on the scene, often at cheaper prices than the Ferrochrome. But I did prefer the Ferrochrome (just!) over those early TDK SA's on my Aiwa's. Oddly enough, not of those tapes seemed to have survived, but if I remember correctly, that was more due to their shells than the tapes within them, and when they broke I was not adept or equipped (as I am now to change tape to one cassette to another or to splice them. (I still have a Bip splicing set altho' I could do with a fresh roll of the splicing tape now, if anyone knows where I can get one.) Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ember Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:12 AM To: Tom Brucker; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] help with tape history Hi Tom, Can't speak to the "politics" involved in Nakamichi's decision; but if memory serves, The Japanese tape manufacturers were unwilling to license the Cr02 process from (I forget whether it was) Dupont or BASF, and so developed their own "Chrome-compatible" tapes, using the Cobalt-doped or similar process. Thus came Maxell UDXL-II, TDK SA (which I believe was sold to Nakamichi and branded SX), and all the other quite respectable Japanese Type II brands. There was also the opinion held by some that genuine Chrome tape was "more abrasive to heads." My experience (with BASF and Emtec "genuine Chrome" tapes) is that the bias and level points are a bit at variance with Japanese Type II tapes. Thus, a machine set up for one is going to be less than optimum with the other, especially if one is serious about Dolby tracking and all the very elusive compatibility gremlins all that entails. For all I read about tapes within a category having different "sounds," my experience has been, when bias -- and levels -- are properly set, I'd defy most of us to tell the diff between BASF Chrome and TDK SA, Nakamichi SX, Maxell UDXL-II, etc. when A-B'ing input and tape. As to Ferrichrome, I second the opinion it never caught on. I never owned a lot of Ferrichrome cassettes, but I have to think they were taken seriously by certain tape deck manufacturers. The superbly built Aiwa 6900 and 6900-II of the early '70s actually had individual "Ferrichrome" settings for bias and EQ, which solved the head-scratcher of optimizing these somewhat diverging standards. Was Ferrichrome the "horse designed by a committee" that resembled a camel and could never be made to win the Preakness and would never make it across the Sahara? Who knows, but at least I know if I should turn up one of my Ferrichromes from decades ago and decide to record on it, one of my trusty 6900's will do the job very nicely. Best, Steve Ember ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sat Jun 14 20:30:05 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:30:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] help with tape history In-Reply-To: <0A7EB01657DA42D288C771164DCC6ADE@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <6924A217ADA5420DABF20498531E5D8F@gabrenas> Memorex made the grand master series(1 and 2) plus a Metal version as well. Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       Office:                       105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham A Nelson Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:17 AM To: 'Tom Brucker'; 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] help with tape history   Yep - still have some used.  Where I lived for some time it was the Memorex Chrome or bog-standard 3m ... no contest unless you prefer your music sound like you've a cotton bud stuck in your ear. Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:14 AM To: LENA WONG; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] help with tape history Didn't Memorex sell Chrome? tom brucker From maximus.smith at ntlworld.com Sun Jun 15 01:28:02 2008 From: maximus.smith at ntlworld.com (bernard smith) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 00:28:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 v ZX-7, etc References: <16138542.1213460050994.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001201c8ce76$4b6e1ef0$52201052@MAXIMUS> MessageHi Tom. It is the 680 series door holder that I requre , I'm sure you will be familiar with these series. to the left of the door is the actual lever,I believe I need the whole item as an assemb;y. as mine is broken within. Many thanks for your offer to help. Bernie.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; grahamanelson at googlemail.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 v ZX-7, etc Bernie, I believe a 480 cassette holder will be the same. If you need the cosmetic door itself, then you need a 680 series door. I have a 480 parts unit here in the US tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: bernard smith Sent: Jun 14, 2008 3:24 AM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 v ZX-7, etc Hello Graham Am I right in thinking you are in the UK? I am........ I have a zx670, and am in need of areplacemant cassette door assembly. A friend of mine opened it up, and it appears to be broken inside. Would you have one? or can anyone help me with this? Bernie. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham A Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:00 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 v ZX-7, etc Of course! Sorry, Jeff. Memory like a sieve! I forgot for a moment you didn't get the ZX-9. Odd thing. You didn't get a ZX-9, but a few years ago I won one on eBay, which was delivered to me personally by a seller from Holland, all the way to the UK and virtually to my door. This from a guy who later was being hunted by an eBay buyer who reckoned my seller had run off with his money, after not sending goods he sold him on eBay. Scammer? Well, he didn't scam me - he even refused pre-payment, not even a deposit from me - I paid cash on delivery. He played it straight with me, but he was later given the eBay Boot-up-the-Bum. Strange ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com [mailto:Bansijeff at aol.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:15 PM To: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Re: [naktalk] The best Nak NEVER made My Pet Project! In a message dated 6/13/2008 2:08:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk writes: Thought so. Have you tested both for comparison? you can refer to my original post for that info JW ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. 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URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Jun 15 01:31:50 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:31:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 goes to auto stop In-Reply-To: <19237521.1213460170353.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl. sa.earthlink.net> References: <19237521.1213460170353.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080614233150.WYYC10620.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Thanks Tom. As I gave it more thought including what the seller was telling me, it appeared the cam motor was the culprit. The seller explained that absolutely nothing happened when PLAY was hit as the heads did not even go up. The deck wound up selling for $20 and I was going to hop on it for that price. Too late!!! A BIN took it away. Well, at least I've been paying attention to the gurus on Naktalk, you guys are great. At 12:16 PM 6/14/2008, you wrote: >A rubber idler tire that slips or a stuck cam motor Both DIY >tom brucker > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Roland > >Sent: Jun 13, 2008 8:07 PM > >To: Nakamichi tapedecks > >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 goes to auto stop > > > >I've located a BX300 for cheap. The owner states that as soon as you > >hit 'PLAY', it goes to Auto stop. > > > >Is this one of those broken belt things where the electronics doesn't > >see the hubs move so the deck thinks it is at the end of the tape? > > > >Roland > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland From daveharris at clear.net.nz Sun Jun 15 10:37:48 2008 From: daveharris at clear.net.nz (Dave Harris) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:37:48 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jeff I tried the NZ distributor for Kenwood, they said " We've never stocked that it must be very old" . May be a personal visit would help. next time I am in Wellington. Cheers Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems In a message dated 6/9/2008 12:03:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz writes: The Tradetech belt Part Numberfor N-480 is BLT307A 82.5 x 0.6 x 6mm FL BELT. $2.27NZ each. I bought this one and lamps on-line. That's too thick. Try the 75mm diam x 0.2mm x 5mm from Wagner in Australia instead. Or try the D16-0092-08 from Kenwood if there's a Kenwood distributor in NZ. It's actually the best replacement belt available. Jeff W ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. 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URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Sun Jun 15 13:07:19 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:07:19 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK 670zx References: <001901c8cd03$1d447200$6501a8c0@D728WBB1><006701c8cdc2$57e9aaa0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> <002f01c8ce39$da342f90$6501a8c0@D728WBB1> Message-ID: <002f01c8ced7$fa5d05f0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> John, Well, that's good, so we can rule out the mode control belt, (and pinch rollers.. though that would manifest itself as playing fast before settling down to normal speed).. then it is on to what Willy and Tom suggest to look at.. the fact that you seem to have trouble free playback most of the time??.. bodes well. The squealing when playing the pre-recorded tapes on your 670ZX is probably the tape and not the deck. 'Sounds' like a tight tape pack, or the slip sheets are worn out. There is an outside chance that it could be the idler I guess, but this should also show up as poor FF and RW. Run the tape through a couple of cycles of FF/RW (preferably on another deck.. non Nak!) and then try playing.. if the squealing goes away, it was probably a tight tape pack, and if it doesn't then check the slip sheets..( the liners that fit between the shell itself and the tape pack) which means reshelling the tape itself. Cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: john gervickas To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 2:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 670zx I took the door off and hit play. It seems to come up quickly and strongly. No significant sound from the motor. I have had a couple occasions while playing a pre-recorded cassette (which is much shorter in length) where it'll start making an awful squeeling kind of noise while the tape is playing. This is such a fantastic deck, I really want to get it right, but the folks in Ct. pretty much want to rebuild these, and I can't afford that now. Thanks for responding! ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin & Karen Short To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK 670zx John, Doubt it is tape skewing.. but could be due to a number of other causes. Here is a quick and simple test which may help diagnose your problem. Take the cover off the door and whilst setting the deck into play mode from 'cold', have a look and listen i) observe the movement of the head block upwards.. does it move up quickly, smoothly and easily? ii) if movement is slow or not at all..can you hear a motor whirring away just to the right of the cassette well? chances are it is the mode control belt that needs changing.. a relatively easy job for a home handy man. Once the deck has warmed up, the belt may have a bit more 'bite' which is why the problem seems to fix itself...for the moment. I doubt it is take up tension as you don't report any tape being unravelled out of the cassette, and I take it the deck is OK in FF/RW modes. The 670ZX's are great machines.. prefered by some to the 680ZX.. for playback at least. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: john gervickas To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 1:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] NAK 670zx I have a 670zx which I love. To me, the perfect cassette deck. The only issue I have is that when I first start to play a tape, it drops out. Each time I hit play, it returns to normal, but will drop out again. It only does it on some tapes (particulary 100 minute tapes). After playing a tape all the way through, the problem is corrected, and it will play any tape perfectly. The NAK folks in Connecticut informed me that it's a problem to due with the tape skewing off the heads (something to do with tape tension?). They said they can fix it for approx. $230 plus shipping (and living without my NAK until it's done!). Is this a repair I could do myself? I wish I had a local shop, but no hi-fi shops in SW Florida that I know of. Any help would be greatly appreciated! (BTW, I recently tried playing my NAK directly through my amp (Classe 15) (w/ Vandersteen 2ce signatures) The sound was awesome!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Jun 15 15:10:33 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:10:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: David Beatty Message-ID: <061520081310.21109.485514C90008C0030000527522155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Kermit wrote: "In the 1970s, we here in Kansas city had a wonderful Nakamichi dealer, David Beatty's Stereo who sometimes had the Nakamichi speakers on display........." Hi, Kermit: I recently bought a combined lot of three pieces of audio gear on eBay, two of which have a little metal David Beatty plaque attached to them. One of the pieces in the lot I bought was a *MINT* 680ZX--not working, but I know exactly what's wrong and how to fix it--on the left side of the deck, there is a little metal plaque that says "for R N by David Beatty". Did he personalize the plaque with the customer's initials? Very cool! I read that Mr. Beatty eventually committed suicide. Is this true? It's very sad if it is. *andy* From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sun Jun 15 16:08:36 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:08:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 8096-D SALE: NEVER AVAILABLE AT THIS PRICE AGAIN ! Message-ID: <48552264.7040204@marrscommunications.com> THIS IS NOT A CLOSEOUT !. NEVER AVAILABLE AT THIS PRICE AGAIN ! I WANT EVERYONE TO TRY THIS BELT ! $15.00 ! DIRT CHEAP ! IT MAY NOT BE a _ " C " _ BUT THERE IS NOTHING BETTER THAN THE " D " ! From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Jun 15 16:12:31 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:12:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] HAPPY FATHER'S DAY Message-ID: <061520081412.16417.4855234F000016910000402122155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> To All Naktalkers Who May Be Fathers.... We are celebrating Father's Day here in the U.S. HAPPY FATHER'S DAY TO ALL OF THE DADS OUT THERE...now go drink a pint! *andy* From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 22:41:13 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] HAPPY FATHER'S DAY In-Reply-To: <061520081412.16417.4855234F000016910000402122155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <218108.22309.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andy, I intend to ! The Nak( Limited zxl) and the AKAI RTR are getting a good work out today for the dad at home. You too! Ram --- On Sun, 6/15/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net <hwbosshoss at comcast.net> wrote: From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net <hwbosshoss at comcast.net> Subject: [naktalk] HAPPY FATHER'S DAY To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 10:12 AM To All Naktalkers Who May Be Fathers.... We are celebrating Father's Day here in the U.S. HAPPY FATHER'S DAY TO ALL OF THE DADS OUT THERE...now go drink a pint! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Jun 16 01:12:16 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:12:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] How-to (successfully) Fix a Sankyo-based Nak Drive Motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17d5ee910806151612j3e90afc6m3d1c15e154d773f@mail.gmail.com> I don't need one, it works. 2008/6/13 : > In a message dated 6/13/2008 2:18:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > antdes45 at yahoo.ca writes: > > I thought I'd put out a list of DO's and DON'T's after successfully > fixing the dead spots on my second drive motor, which got my recently > bought CR-3A working very well (except for the high W&F, due to what > seems to be an overtight capstan belt). > > If you really need a CR-3 drive motor, there's one on eBay - > > 150218174445 > > > It says "reel motor" but take my word for it, it's a CR-3 drive motor. The > cost is roughly the retail cost of the original too. > > Jeff W > > > ________________________________ > Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From maximus.smith at ntlworld.com Mon Jun 16 02:06:56 2008 From: maximus.smith at ntlworld.com (bernard smith) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:06:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] HAPPY FATHER'S DAY References: <061520081412.16417.4855234F000016910000402122155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000a01c8cf44$e6cdc570$52201052@MAXIMUS> As we say in the UK,Andy "Good health" Bernie ----- Original Message ----- From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] HAPPY FATHER'S DAY To All Naktalkers Who May Be Fathers.... We are celebrating Father's Day here in the U.S. HAPPY FATHER'S DAY TO ALL OF THE DADS OUT THERE...now go drink a pint! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1493 - Release Date: 6/9/2008 17:25 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz Mon Jun 16 02:57:26 2008 From: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz (guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:57:26 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Home-brew magnetic developer Message-ID: Hello from NZ! I don’t have the DA09007B 1 kHz Track Alignment tape. In this situation the only way to align my decks is optical measurements using the Meopta micrometer microscope and some magnetic field developer. This weekend I made this developer using the rest of my chemical knowledge. All “reactions” went right way and finally I’ve got it. The first test of developer on the tape recorded on my N-480 showed misalignment. The distance between Right channel tracks across the tape centre should be 0.65 +/- 0.1 mm. I measured 0.771 mm. Now I know what to do! I’ve got the microscope pictures if any one interested Cheers, Gennady -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon Jun 16 15:26:18 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:26:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] The Ultimate Nakamichi Accessory! Message-ID: <061620081326.5543.485669FA0000615E000015A722155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I gotta tell you, I am intrigued by this one! http://cgi.ebay.com/TapeNoise-dextape-nakamichi-recorded_W0QQitemZ280237065639QQihZ018QQcategoryZ1600QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 16 15:59:49 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:59:49 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems Message-ID: <32827330.1213624789220.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 16 18:21:10 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:21:10 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] The Ultimate Nakamichi Accessory! Message-ID: <27134120.1213633270624.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I just found a Nakamichi brush in a box of stuff. It looks like a small flat paintbrush. What era is that from? tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Jun 16, 2008 8:26 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] The Ultimate Nakamichi Accessory! > > >I gotta tell you, I am intrigued by this one! > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/TapeNoise-dextape-nakamichi-recorded_W0QQitemZ280237065639QQihZ018QQcategoryZ1600QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 16:40:42 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Home-brew magnetic developer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <962219.81878.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very interesting way to measure the head height. But how are you going to move the head to correct position which requires 200 to 220 micron movement? kannan --- On Sun, 6/15/08, guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz <guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz> wrote: From: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz <guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz> Subject: [naktalk] Home-brew magnetic developer To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 8:57 PM Hello from NZ! I don’t have the DA09007B 1 kHz Track Alignment tape. In this situation the only way to align my decks is optical measurements using the Meopta micrometer microscope and some magnetic field developer. This weekend I made this developer using the rest of my chemical knowledge. All “reactions” went right way and finally I’ve got it. The first test of developer on the tape recorded on my N-480 showed misalignment. The distance between Right channel tracks across the tape centre should be 0.65 +/- 0.1 mm. I measured 0.771 mm. Now I know what to do! I’ve got the microscope pictures if any one interested Cheers, Gennady ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jun 16 22:47:14 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron Hoffman) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:47:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to NakTakers? In-Reply-To: <731438.77188.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <731438.77188.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4856D152.6090105@rcn.com> shanti ramachandran wrote: > > Victor sold $49000 in one year and 4-5 deals amounting to $3000-4000 > destroyed him? Seems hard to swallow for me and I do not buy his > paypal destruction story. > > Just my 2 pennies, > > Ram I stopped using PayPal years ago, after they (unbeknownst to me) 'upgraded' my account to a business account (that entails fees), then proceeded to help themselves to some money that I foolishly left there. Luckily, it wasn't that much. When I asked them to reverse the actions, they wanted me to fill forms and go through a maze of red tape (they required no forms to take my money). I found it easier to leave. On ebay I make it quite clear that I will not deal with PayPal, under any circumstances. Anyone that can't live with that is free to go elsewhere. PayPal feels free to dip into clients' accounts and pocket whatever they like. That's a fact. Why do you find it 'hard to swallow' Victor's story? -- Ron From guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz Mon Jun 16 22:55:04 2008 From: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz (guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:55:04 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Home-brew magnetic developer In-Reply-To: <962219.81878.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello kannan, I have done optical measurements of the Dragon PA-1L 4-track Reproduction Head (6-track to be correct). This is the symmetrical head assembly with 2 side slots. Now I know each track position on the tape regarding the tape edge and the head slots. I'm going: 1. To rotate the height adjustment screw by 2-4 clicks, record, develop and measure again. 2. Calculate micron/click ratio. 3. I will know how many clicks needs to be done after the first measurement. 3. Record and measure to verify everything has done correctly. Cheers, Gennady guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz http://www.exicom.co.nz Phone: +64 4 237 2149 Fax: +64 4 237 9696 kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent by: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 17/06/2008 02:40 Please respond to kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com; Please respond to Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks cc Subject Re: [naktalk] Home-brew magnetic developer Very interesting way to measure the head height. But how are you going to move the head to correct position which requires 200 to 220 micron movement? kannan --- On Sun, 6/15/08, guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz wrote: From: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz Subject: [naktalk] Home-brew magnetic developer To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 8:57 PM Hello from NZ! I don’t have the DA09007B 1 kHz Track Alignment tape. In this situation the only way to align my decks is optical measurements using the Meopta micrometer microscope and some magnetic field developer. This weekend I made this developer using the rest of my chemical knowledge. All “reactions” went right way and finally I’ve got it. The first test of developer on the tape recorded on my N-480 showed misalignment. The distance between Right channel tracks across the tape centre should be 0.65 +/- 0.1 mm. I measured 0.771 mm. Now I know what to do! 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jun 16 23:08:06 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron Hoffman) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:08:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning toNaktalkers In-Reply-To: <053a01c8ccc5$9cdbe720$0307a8c0@DR1> References: <053a01c8ccc5$9cdbe720$0307a8c0@DR1> Message-ID: <4856D636.4020007@rcn.com> Dan wrote: > It is interesting that you say that, because eBay and Paypal are essentially > the same company, and are joined at the hip. If you are a long term seller > on eBay, you are "grandfathered" in to being able to not accept Paypal as a > payment transfer option. > You don't need to be grandfathered. When I recently tried to list a sale, it seemed that I *had* to accept PayPal. I was not surprised, as I knew that ebay owns PayPal and it's to their advantage to goad people into using it . I sent an email to CS and they offered a (rather nonintuitive) way to circumvent PayPal. -- Ron > However, if you are a new seller on eBay, they mandate that you must accept > Paypal as a means of payment. You can still elect other payment options, > but Paypal MUST be one of them. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of MD > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:41 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning > toNaktalkers > > It would be a good lesson to all sellers to Stop taking Paypal.This company > is out of control.There are more reliable ways to transfer funds for both > buyers & sellers.Regards,M > > On 6/11/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: > >> Well...I'm never one to kick a man when he's down. God knows I've been >> there myself and have great empathy for Victor's situation. It's easy >> to say in hindsight, 'What the hell was he thinking of; putting all >> his eggs in one basket, ergo ebay/PayPal'. But I wonder that *if* I >> had a houseful of electronics to get rid of in a short amount of >> time, whether or not I would be so flippant as to decline on the use >> of ebay/PayPal. >> >> I have enough trouble controlling the ebay beast...ya know, that >> little hairy, ugly devil that bites you in the ass when you try to >> 'pass on' your favorite auction page, or see one of your favorite >> sellers has something to good to be true.;-) I've always had real >> serious reservations about making primary income on ebay-simply >> because of the horror stories I've always heard about a few miscreant >> buyers who destroy everything for a seller. >> >> This scam about getting a refund from PayPal, (no matter what the >> circumstances are from the buyer) has been going on for a long time. A >> lot of the buyers as was said earlier, not only get the refund, but >> somehow get to keep the item as well. That's certainly not a system >> that's working either and wholly not my personal experience with >> PayPal. But then, I don't have a black, dishonest heart, and whine & >> cry like the posers do to get my money back. >> >> Kevin >> >> >> I have some information about Victor. >> >> Ironically, it was, according to Victor, eBay and PayPal together >> wiped out his finances. The tragedy of this is that Victor >> apparently had around 500 satisfied customers, from a turnover of >> around $47k in one year. And yet it took just one customer to >> complain to eBay and wham! >> Victor said, >> "After >> this one ebay buyer filed a claim (he did not like the item and wanted >> a $200 partial refund - or else!) Paypal immediately took $800 out >> directly from our bank account as a result of this buyer's claim >> against me. >> Then >> ebay accelerated their $650 invoice, again debiting this directly from >> our bank account. Paypal buyer credit followed with another $490. The >> bank closed our account resulting in our total financial collapse." >> On top of this apparently he was hit by a loss of $1200 paid to an >> online company who never delivered the goods he ordered. Of course, >> it would be wrong of me to repeat the name of this company without >> giving them right of reply. >> Victor >> said that this financial collapse meant he was unable to ship 7about >> packed items to customers who had paid. >> >> Have you heard of the Better Business Bureau? It's a great site for >> checking out a business to see if they have a bad record. Take a look >> at this one as an example: >> http://search.newyork.bbb.org/reports.aspx?pid=44 >> >> &page=1&id=85062 Victor knows them. >> >> Victor said, "Meanwhile, because of the ebay and paypal policies >> (buyer is always right) I have never been able to recover and am now >> fighting for my life - literally." >> >> I find that scary. >> >> Gra' >> From dbauer45 at comcast.net Tue Jun 17 02:56:52 2008 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:56:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX References: <8CA686887CBCF82-12E0-1085@webmail-dd07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: To those of you who are fathers, a belated happy father's day greeting. And to everyone here who lends expertise and advice, I extend my most sincere thanks. The display on my 680-ZX is working like new after changing out cap C901. Spot on advise. This is the deck I drooled over when I settled for a new 480 (which still works) way back in the 80's. Since you guys are so good, does anyone know how to get the meter lights working on a 582? Happy Nakkin', Dean ----- Original Message ----- From: johngipps at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX Hi Dean and John C Since the circuit is for a level indicator, and is not part of a signal path, a polypropylene capacitor (the original type) has no advantage. I would recommend a 4.7nF 100V polyester (sold as "greencaps" in Australia). These are robust and easily obtainable, and are an ideal replacement. In general, any 4.7nF 100V film cap of suitable size will do. These days, many DMMs have a capacitance range, so if you had some 4.7nF 100V 5% or 10% caps available, you should be able to choose one close to 4.7nF with the help of such a DMM. It is a good idea to use a cap that's reasonably close to 4.7nF in value - after replacement, you can tweak the meter calibration with VR901 if you have the facilities and knowledge to do so. In my experience Ben, C901 is the one that fails often. C902 only affects the indicator display in cal mode. While I can't find an instance of C903 in the indicator module failing in my records, it would produce the same effect - so good suggestion Ben. By all means replace C903 as well, but my money is on C901. Regards John Gipps Message: 25 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 21:58:43 -0400 From: "Dean Bauer" Subject: Re: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX To: Message-ID: <001901c899e5$3eaf1040$6601a8c0 at asusm2n4sli> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Greetings Nakkers, This discussion has brought me out of lurking to ask what would be a suitable replacement this capacitor. The 680ZX service manual describes it as a 4700 pF polypropylene cap rated at 100V. Also, the description in the manual ends with a capital G like this: PP capacitor 4700P 100V G Having shopped mouser.com and digi-key, I can not find a cap that matches these specs and my knowledge of electronics is quite limited. So what would be a suitable replacement or what do I need to search for in the catalogues? Thanks much and all you folks are just great to have here. Dean ---- Original Message ----- From: johngipps at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com ; chalenor at msn.com Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX Hi John That's a common fault in the 680ZX. Replace defective capacitor C901 in the FL Indicator module - it's on PCB C and is 4.7nF. Regards John Gipps Message: 13 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:57:17 -0700 From: "John Chalenor" Subject: [naktalk] VU meter display works intermittently on 680ZX To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The VU meter display works intermittently on my 680ZX; it works when the power is turned on and then stops working a few minutes latter. I was thinking about having it fixed or wondering if this is something I could do myself. Any information on the cause and possible fix would be appreciated. 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URL: From danzone7 at aol.com Tue Jun 17 09:33:57 2008 From: danzone7 at aol.com (Dan) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:33:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutorywarning toNaktalkers In-Reply-To: <4856D636.4020007@rcn.com> Message-ID: <009801c8d04c$81995260$0307a8c0@DR1> Hi Ron, I am certainly interested in how to circumvent that necessity, and I think there might be others in this forum who may be new sellers. Just how do you circumvent the apparent lock that Paypal has on new sellers on eBay? Dan -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Hoffman Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 2:08 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutorywarning toNaktalkers Dan wrote: > It is interesting that you say that, because eBay and Paypal are > essentially the same company, and are joined at the hip. If you are a > long term seller on eBay, you are "grandfathered" in to being able to > not accept Paypal as a payment transfer option. > You don't need to be grandfathered. When I recently tried to list a sale, it seemed that I *had* to accept PayPal. I was not surprised, as I knew that ebay owns PayPal and it's to their advantage to goad people into using it . I sent an email to CS and they offered a (rather nonintuitive) way to circumvent PayPal. -- Ron > However, if you are a new seller on eBay, they mandate that you must > accept Paypal as a means of payment. You can still elect other > payment options, but Paypal MUST be one of them. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of MD > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:41 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory > warning toNaktalkers > > It would be a good lesson to all sellers to Stop taking Paypal.This > company is out of control.There are more reliable ways to transfer > funds for both buyers & sellers.Regards,M > > On 6/11/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: > >> Well...I'm never one to kick a man when he's down. God knows I've >> been there myself and have great empathy for Victor's situation. It's >> easy to say in hindsight, 'What the hell was he thinking of; putting >> all his eggs in one basket, ergo ebay/PayPal'. But I wonder that *if* >> I had a houseful of electronics to get rid of in a short amount of >> time, whether or not I would be so flippant as to decline on the use >> of ebay/PayPal. >> >> I have enough trouble controlling the ebay beast...ya know, that >> little hairy, ugly devil that bites you in the ass when you try to >> 'pass on' your favorite auction page, or see one of your favorite >> sellers has something to good to be true.;-) I've always had real >> serious reservations about making primary income on ebay-simply >> because of the horror stories I've always heard about a few miscreant >> buyers who destroy everything for a seller. >> >> This scam about getting a refund from PayPal, (no matter what the >> circumstances are from the buyer) has been going on for a long time. >> A lot of the buyers as was said earlier, not only get the refund, but >> somehow get to keep the item as well. That's certainly not a system >> that's working either and wholly not my personal experience with >> PayPal. But then, I don't have a black, dishonest heart, and whine & >> cry like the posers do to get my money back. >> >> Kevin >> >> >> I have some information about Victor. >> >> Ironically, it was, according to Victor, eBay and PayPal together >> wiped out his finances. The tragedy of this is that Victor >> apparently had around 500 satisfied customers, from a turnover of >> around $47k in one year. And yet it took just one customer to >> complain to eBay and wham! >> Victor said, >> "After >> this one ebay buyer filed a claim (he did not like the item and >> wanted a $200 partial refund - or else!) Paypal immediately took $800 >> out directly from our bank account as a result of this buyer's claim >> against me. >> Then >> ebay accelerated their $650 invoice, again debiting this directly >> from our bank account. Paypal buyer credit followed with another >> $490. The bank closed our account resulting in our total financial collapse." >> On top of this apparently he was hit by a loss of $1200 paid to an >> online company who never delivered the goods he ordered. Of course, >> it would be wrong of me to repeat the name of this company without >> giving them right of reply. >> Victor >> said that this financial collapse meant he was unable to ship 7about >> packed items to customers who had paid. >> >> Have you heard of the Better Business Bureau? It's a great site for >> checking out a business to see if they have a bad record. Take a >> look at this one as an example: >> http://search.newyork.bbb.org/reports.aspx?pid=44 >> >> &page=1&id=85062 Victor knows them. >> >> Victor said, "Meanwhile, because of the ebay and paypal policies >> (buyer is always right) I have never been able to recover and am now >> fighting for my life - literally." >> >> I find that scary. >> >> Gra' >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 17 12:46:52 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron Hoffman) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:46:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to Naktalker In-Reply-To: <518b7b10806130536y46dbd9eag2995897b51cd3a63@mail.gmail.com> References: <429416.58636.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <518b7b10806130536y46dbd9eag2995897b51cd3a63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4857961C.3070208@rcn.com> > As a seller, it might be a nightmare if one is a bad/hazy seller LOL... As a seller, [ebay] might be a nightmare if one has a bad/hazy (not to mention, dishonest) buyer. -- Ron From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Tue Jun 17 12:49:19 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:49:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Accessory question Tom Bruchner In-Reply-To: <200806171005.m5HA1fa2012890@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <481B0DD800027960@mail-1-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Tom , The small flat Nakamichi paintbrush is possibly the clean brush for the cooling ribs of the 620 power amp. It was standard issue for this amp, and maybe too for the 420. I got one too. Era would be early 1970. Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl --------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:21:10 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Tom Brucker Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Ultimate Nakamichi Accessory! To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <27134120.1213633270624.JavaMail.root at elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I just found a Nakamichi brush in a box of stuff. It looks like a small flat paintbrush. What era is that from? tom brucker From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 17 12:52:01 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron Hoffman) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:52:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning to Naktalkers In-Reply-To: <294620.81083.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <294620.81083.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48579751.6000501@rcn.com> LENA WONG wrote: > I agree. Ebay gets nothing from the buyers; only from the sellers and > they need to protect their money trees as their highest priority. > Where the buyers going to get their money back on anything that is not > as described, overrated and never being sent by the sellers? No longer. Today, ebay depends on buyers -- if they leave, sellers will disappear. The new rules are motivated by ebay's desire to attract buyers. IOW, ebay is doing what they do best... Protect their own interests. -- Ron > > > Mike > > > */Bansijeff at aol.com/* wrote: > > In a message dated 6/12/2008 11:47:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > angel9esoteric at gmail.com writes: > > It would be a good lesson to all sellers to Stop taking > Paypal.This > company is out of control.There are more reliable ways to transfer > funds for both buyers & sellers.Regards,M > > Please name even one other way which gives Buyer's Protection - > I'd really like to know. > > Jeff W > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 17 13:03:49 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron Hoffman) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:03:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory warning toNaktalkers In-Reply-To: <4D0116CD57464D6E838D207C0B9FA560@geoffprimary> References: <429416.58636.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com><061320081236.13655.485269CE000D574F0000355722230704929B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> <4852841B.2020509@rcn.com> <4D0116CD57464D6E838D207C0B9FA560@geoffprimary> Message-ID: <48579A15.9080809@rcn.com> Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > From: "Ron" > >> Escrow is expensive. My solution is simpler: I only buy locally, >> where I can look at the actual goods before paying, then pay >> in cash and save the ridiculous 'shipping' the honest sellers like >> so much to charge. There are many honest sellers that agree to >> perosonal pickup , provided the buyer still pays the 'shipping' >> charge. I respectfully decline. > > I realize you're probably being sarcastic, but an honest seller would > never insist on charging the shipping fees for a local pickup (and > I've never run into that situation). Actually, it has happened to me several times. Some professional sellers actually post a 'pickup fee', some will ask for it if queried.. Those sellers shaft ebay by drastically reducing price, but demanding ridiculously high shipping and handling. This tends to reduce the ebay selling fee. -- Ron > > Any time I list something on eBay, I list local pickup as an option. > As long as the buyer will actually commit to a time and show up at > that time, it's easier for all involved. I had one guy a few months > back who was about 10 minutes away, but was apparently too busy going > to school to pick a time and stick to it. After several no shows, I > suggested that he simply pay for the shipping and be done with it. > Every other time I've done local pickup (both as a buyer and a > seller), it's worked out great and saved the buyer some money and the > seller the hassle of packing the item up and getting it sent off. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From finlan2003 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 17 16:14:54 2008 From: finlan2003 at hotmail.com (Kim Lundqvist) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:14:54 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. Message-ID: Hi! I'm the proud owner of an LX-3, a BX-100E and a CR-1E, but unfortunately my CR-1E is acting up a bit. I'm posting to the NakTalk list, hoping that someone might be able to offer some helpful advice. At times, when you pop in a cassette and press Play, there is no sound and the level meters stay flat (although the tape transport is operating perfectly fine and the tape does contain audio). By tapping the back panel of the CR-1E, however, you might get sound for a fraction of a second, or if you're lucky, even for a few hours. This 5 MB XviD (with mp3 sound) videoclip should explain the situation quite well: http://web.abo.fi/~kilundqv/NakCutsOut.htm What might the problem be and how should I go about fixing it? I have decent soldering skills, but I do not have much insight into electronics theory. Many thanks! Regards, Kim Lundqvist _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 17 16:54:14 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:54:14 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. Message-ID: <19717439.1213714454524.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Kim, Remove the top and bottom covers and tighten all screws that contact circuit board foils and washers. I'll bet one board is loosing ground to chassis. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kim Lundqvist >Sent: Jun 17, 2008 9:14 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. > > >Hi! > >I'm the proud owner of an LX-3, a BX-100E and a CR-1E, but >unfortunately my CR-1E is acting up a bit. I'm posting to >the NakTalk list, hoping that someone might be able to >offer some helpful advice. > >At times, when you pop in a cassette and press Play, there >is no sound and the level meters stay flat (although the tape >transport is operating perfectly fine and the tape does contain >audio). By tapping the back panel of the CR-1E, however, you might >get sound for a fraction of a second, or if you're lucky, even >for a few hours. > >This 5 MB XviD (with mp3 sound) videoclip should explain the >situation quite well: > >http://web.abo.fi/~kilundqv/NakCutsOut.htm > >What might the problem be and how should I go about fixing it? >I have decent soldering skills, but I do not have much insight >into electronics theory. > >Many thanks! > >Regards, >Kim Lundqvist >_________________________________________________________________ >Explore the seven wonders of the world >http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jun 17 16:35:25 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <589210.9875.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is a good chance - the relay after playback head connector on the pcb has problem. This relay actually connects the record amp when in record mode. tap this relay and check whether works . Secondly use a Multimeter to check the contact connections if you are capable of troubleshooting simple electronic faults kannan --- On Tue, 6/17/08, Kim Lundqvist <finlan2003 at hotmail.com> wrote: From: Kim Lundqvist <finlan2003 at hotmail.com> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 10:14 AM Hi! I'm the proud owner of an LX-3, a BX-100E and a CR-1E, but unfortunately my CR-1E is acting up a bit. I'm posting to the NakTalk list, hoping that someone might be able to offer some helpful advice. At times, when you pop in a cassette and press Play, there is no sound and the level meters stay flat (although the tape transport is operating perfectly fine and the tape does contain audio). By tapping the back panel of the CR-1E, however, you might get sound for a fraction of a second, or if you're lucky, even for a few hours. This 5 MB XviD (with mp3 sound) videoclip should explain the situation quite well: http://web.abo.fi/~kilundqv/NakCutsOut.htm What might the problem be and how should I go about fixing it? I have decent soldering skills, but I do not have much insight into electronics theory. Many thanks! Regards, Kim Lundqvist _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Jun 17 19:48:11 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:48:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080617174807.CAQW10620.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> I don't repair Naks but I did work as a Electrical Controls Engineer for 22 years. It's sounds like you're losing a ground and this is what I would do before you grab that soldering iron. Take a proper sized screwdriver and check to see that everything hold the circuit board is tight. While you are doing this to the PCB, look at the ground pads to make sure they still look intact. I'm suspect based on the way you tap the back panel that a flying ground lead is lose. Try the screwdriver bit first, it's easy, cheap and you won't destroy anything. At 10:14 AM 6/17/2008, you wrote: >Hi! > >I'm the proud owner of an LX-3, a BX-100E and a CR-1E, but >unfortunately my CR-1E is acting up a bit. I'm posting to >the NakTalk list, hoping that someone might be able to >offer some helpful advice. > >At times, when you pop in a cassette and press Play, there >is no sound and the level meters stay flat (although the tape >transport is operating perfectly fine and the tape does contain >audio). By tapping the back panel of the CR-1E, however, you might >get sound for a fraction of a second, or if you're lucky, even >for a few hours. > >This 5 MB XviD (with mp3 sound) videoclip should explain the >situation quite well: > >http://web.abo.fi/~kilundqv/NakCutsOut.htm > >What might the problem be and how should I go about fixing it? >I have decent soldering skills, but I do not have much insight >into electronics theory. > >Many thanks! > >Regards, >Kim Lundqvist >_________________________________________________________________ >Explore the seven wonders of the world >http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 17 17:43:45 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <129301.53520.qm@web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Since the meters show output, most of the electronics are ok and the problem is at the output. First, check the solder joints on the output jacks. If they are dull, not shiny, or have a dark ring around the pin of the connector, resolder them. Let us know if this fixes it. Also look carefully at the pc board in the area of the output jacks and examine it for cracks or bad solder joints. Warren Kim Lundqvist wrote: Hi! I'm the proud owner of an LX-3, a BX-100E and a CR-1E, but unfortunately my CR-1E is acting up a bit. I'm posting to the NakTalk list, hoping that someone might be able to offer some helpful advice. At times, when you pop in a cassette and press Play, there is no sound and the level meters stay flat (although the tape transport is operating perfectly fine and the tape does contain audio). By tapping the back panel of the CR-1E, however, you might get sound for a fraction of a second, or if you're lucky, even for a few hours. This 5 MB XviD (with mp3 sound) videoclip should explain the situation quite well: http://web.abo.fi/~kilundqv/NakCutsOut.htm What might the problem be and how should I go about fixing it? I have decent soldering skills, but I do not have much insight into electronics theory. Many thanks! 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In-Reply-To: <589210.9875.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <733092.59566.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Doubtful, since the meters show activity. If the playback head wasn't connected to the playback amp, the meters would be dead. Warren kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: There is a good chance - the relay after playback head connector on the pcb has problem. This relay actually connects the record amp when in record mode. tap this relay and check whether works . Secondly use a Multimeter to check the contact connections if you are capable of troubleshooting simple electronic faults kannan --- On Tue, 6/17/08, Kim Lundqvist wrote: From: Kim Lundqvist Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 10:14 AM Hi! I'm the proud owner of an LX-3, a BX-100E and a CR-1E, but unfortunately my CR-1E is acting up a bit. I'm posting to the NakTalk list, hoping that someone might be able to offer some helpful advice. At times, when you pop in a cassette and press Play, there is no sound and the level meters stay flat (although the tape transport is operating perfectly fine and the tape does contain audio). By tapping the back panel of the CR-1E, however, you might get sound for a fraction of a second, or if you're lucky, even for a few hours. This 5 MB XviD (with mp3 sound) videoclip should explain the situation quite well: http://web.abo.fi/~kilundqv/NakCutsOut.htm What might the problem be and how should I go about fixing it? I have decent soldering skills, but I do not have much insight into electronics theory. Many thanks! 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 17 21:27:03 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron Hoffman) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:27:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutorywarning toNaktalkers In-Reply-To: <009801c8d04c$81995260$0307a8c0@DR1> References: <009801c8d04c$81995260$0307a8c0@DR1> Message-ID: <48581007.3090502@rcn.com> Dan, Here's ebay's response, slightly edited to protect the innocent (meaning, me :-) ). ----------------------------------------------------------- Dear Ron, Thank you for writing eBay in regard to facing difficulty while listing an item. I understand the inconvenience that might have caused due to this situation. [.....] [.....] carefully reviewing your listing, I found that you are using the new "Sell Your Item" form, hence you are facing difficulty while listing an item and receiving error message as "PayPal account required". In this case you need to go to the draft listing after clicking on "Sell" and it's open the new "Sell Your Item" form page and click the link "Sell Your Item Form" which is at the bottom of the page. This will open the old version of "Sell Your Item" form, then follow the following steps: 1) Click on the link that says "Show/Hide Options", placed at the Top Right hand side of the "Sell Your Item" page. 2) Click on the third option "Payment" link at the left hand side and from the right you can select the payment method as Credit Card. 3) Save your settings. 4) Scroll down the 'Sell Your Item Form', under "Payment methods you accept" section and select Credit cards options. You can then fill the rest of the form as usual and complete your listing. Additionally, if your still persist with the issue then I would suggest you to contact Live Help for immediate support. Live Help gives you one-on-one contact with an eBay representative who can help resolve your issue on the spot. Links to Live Help appear throughout the eBay site, including the Home page and the Sell Your Item form. Clicking one of these links will connect you to a special private chat room where you can ask an eBay representative your question -- live. Live Help is available 24 hours a day, seven days a week. If you have general questions, follow these steps: 1. Go to: http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/n-livehelpemail.html 2. Click the "Get Help Now" button. I understand your frustration regarding this matter and apologize for the inconvenience it caused you. Sincerely, eBay Customer Support ----------------------------------------------------- Dan wrote: > Hi Ron, > > I am certainly interested in how to circumvent that necessity, and I think > there might be others in this forum who may be new sellers. > > Just how do you circumvent the apparent lock that Paypal has on new sellers > on eBay? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron Hoffman > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 2:08 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutorywarning > toNaktalkers > > Dan wrote: > >> It is interesting that you say that, because eBay and Paypal are >> essentially the same company, and are joined at the hip. If you are a >> long term seller on eBay, you are "grandfathered" in to being able to >> not accept Paypal as a payment transfer option. >> >> > You don't need to be grandfathered. When I recently tried to list a sale, it > seemed that I *had* to accept PayPal. I was not surprised, as I knew that > ebay owns PayPal and it's to their advantage to goad people into using it . > I sent an email to CS and they offered a (rather nonintuitive) way to > circumvent PayPal. > > -- Ron > > > > >> However, if you are a new seller on eBay, they mandate that you must >> accept Paypal as a means of payment. You can still elect other >> payment options, but Paypal MUST be one of them. >> >> Dan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf Of MD >> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:41 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutory >> warning toNaktalkers >> >> It would be a good lesson to all sellers to Stop taking Paypal.This >> company is out of control.There are more reliable ways to transfer >> funds for both buyers & sellers.Regards,M >> >> On 6/11/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: >> >> >>> Well...I'm never one to kick a man when he's down. God knows I've >>> been there myself and have great empathy for Victor's situation. It's >>> easy to say in hindsight, 'What the hell was he thinking of; putting >>> all his eggs in one basket, ergo ebay/PayPal'. But I wonder that *if* >>> I had a houseful of electronics to get rid of in a short amount of >>> time, whether or not I would be so flippant as to decline on the use >>> of ebay/PayPal. >>> >>> I have enough trouble controlling the ebay beast...ya know, that >>> little hairy, ugly devil that bites you in the ass when you try to >>> 'pass on' your favorite auction page, or see one of your favorite >>> sellers has something to good to be true.;-) I've always had real >>> serious reservations about making primary income on ebay-simply >>> because of the horror stories I've always heard about a few miscreant >>> buyers who destroy everything for a seller. >>> >>> This scam about getting a refund from PayPal, (no matter what the >>> circumstances are from the buyer) has been going on for a long time. >>> A lot of the buyers as was said earlier, not only get the refund, but >>> somehow get to keep the item as well. That's certainly not a system >>> that's working either and wholly not my personal experience with >>> PayPal. But then, I don't have a black, dishonest heart, and whine & >>> cry like the posers do to get my money back. >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> >>> I have some information about Victor. >>> >>> Ironically, it was, according to Victor, eBay and PayPal together >>> wiped out his finances. The tragedy of this is that Victor >>> apparently had around 500 satisfied customers, from a turnover of >>> around $47k in one year. And yet it took just one customer to >>> complain to eBay and wham! >>> Victor said, >>> "After >>> this one ebay buyer filed a claim (he did not like the item and >>> wanted a $200 partial refund - or else!) Paypal immediately took $800 >>> out directly from our bank account as a result of this buyer's claim >>> against me. >>> Then >>> ebay accelerated their $650 invoice, again debiting this directly >>> from our bank account. Paypal buyer credit followed with another >>> $490. The bank closed our account resulting in our total financial >>> > collapse." > >>> On top of this apparently he was hit by a loss of $1200 paid to an >>> online company who never delivered the goods he ordered. Of course, >>> it would be wrong of me to repeat the name of this company without >>> giving them right of reply. >>> Victor >>> said that this financial collapse meant he was unable to ship 7about >>> packed items to customers who had paid. >>> >>> Have you heard of the Better Business Bureau? It's a great site for >>> checking out a business to see if they have a bad record. Take a >>> look at this one as an example: >>> http://search.newyork.bbb.org/reports.aspx?pid=44 >>> >>> &page=1&id=85062 Victor knows them. >>> >>> Victor said, "Meanwhile, because of the ebay and paypal policies >>> (buyer is always right) I have never been able to recover and am now >>> fighting for my life - literally." >>> >>> I find that scary. >>> >>> Gra' >>> >>> From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 17 21:43:45 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron Hoffman) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:43:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <485813F1.6020203@rcn.com> Kim, This is a bit like saying, "My car won't go. What's the problem?' Of all responses you got so far each points to a possible fault, plus I can think of at least a dozen other faults. I suspect going to a good Nak tech is your best recourse. Sorry, -- Ron Kim Lundqvist wrote: > Hi! > > I'm the proud owner of an LX-3, a BX-100E and a CR-1E, but > unfortunately my CR-1E is acting up a bit. I'm posting to > the NakTalk list, hoping that someone might be able to > offer some helpful advice. > > At times, when you pop in a cassette and press Play, there > is no sound and the level meters stay flat (although the tape > transport is operating perfectly fine and the tape does contain > audio). By tapping the back panel of the CR-1E, however, you might > get sound for a fraction of a second, or if you're lucky, even > for a few hours. > > This 5 MB XviD (with mp3 sound) videoclip should explain the > situation quite well: > > http://web.abo.fi/~kilundqv/NakCutsOut.htm > > What might the problem be and how should I go about fixing it? > I have decent soldering skills, but I do not have much insight > into electronics theory. > > Many thanks! > > Regards, > Kim Lundqvist > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 17 21:51:51 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron Hoffman) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:51:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. In-Reply-To: <20080617174807.CAQW10620.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> References: <20080617174807.CAQW10620.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <485815D7.5050909@rcn.com> Roland wrote: > I don't repair Naks but I did work as a Electrical Controls Engineer > for 22 years. It's sounds like you're losing a ground... ... or one of the power rails or a signal path or you have an intermittent resistor or capacitor or transistor or IC or a PCB track or a connector pin or.. you name it. We can all sit here and guess, but there is no substitute for going at it on the bench with an audio generator and signal tracer. I'll bet you can pinpoint it in less than half an hour. BTW, if it was a ground he would likely get some hum, which he hasn't mentioned. -- Ron > and this is what I would do before you grab that soldering iron. Take > a proper sized screwdriver and check to see that everything hold the > circuit board is tight. While you are doing this to the PCB, look at > the ground pads to make sure they still look intact. I'm suspect > based on the way you tap the back panel that a flying ground lead is > lose. Try the screwdriver bit first, it's easy, cheap and you won't > destroy anything. > > > At 10:14 AM 6/17/2008, you wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I'm the proud owner of an LX-3, a BX-100E and a CR-1E, but >> unfortunately my CR-1E is acting up a bit. I'm posting to >> the NakTalk list, hoping that someone might be able to >> offer some helpful advice. >> >> At times, when you pop in a cassette and press Play, there >> is no sound and the level meters stay flat (although the tape >> transport is operating perfectly fine and the tape does contain >> audio). By tapping the back panel of the CR-1E, however, you might >> get sound for a fraction of a second, or if you're lucky, even >> for a few hours. >> >> This 5 MB XviD (with mp3 sound) videoclip should explain the >> situation quite well: >> >> http://web.abo.fi/~kilundqv/NakCutsOut.htm >> >> What might the problem be and how should I go about fixing it? >> I have decent soldering skills, but I do not have much insight >> into electronics theory. >> >> Many thanks! >> >> Regards, >> Kim Lundqvist >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Explore the seven wonders of the world >> http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> From el34guy at aol.com Wed Jun 18 04:54:45 2008 From: el34guy at aol.com (el34guy at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:54:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 question Message-ID: <8CA9F05CC9E9109-81C-1DBE@webmail-de10.sysops.aol.com> Hello, I just bought another BX-300 and I will be darned if it doesnt work(and I knew it ahead of time too)!! I changed the belt, but still its stopping after about 1 second of play time. Also, FF or Rewind dont work. Do I have the stuck cam motor symptom? Very new to servicing these so I have a lot to learn. What do you think I should try next? Thanks for your advice... Mark From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Wed Jun 18 09:58:06 2008 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:58:06 +0200 Subject: [?? Probable Spam] [naktalk] BX-300 question References: <8CA9F05CC9E9109-81C-1DBE@webmail-de10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1CA81F75F3AB4BA3A0B26758C438B800@superdator> Start with checking/repl the idler wheel. Second, check the small autostop belt. Is there any movement on the head bridge? If not, check/clean the cam motor. Good luck/Par ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:54 AM Subject: [?? Probable Spam] [naktalk] BX-300 question > Hello, > > I just bought another BX-300 and I will be darned if it doesnt work(and I > knew it ahead of time too)!! > > I changed the belt, but still its stopping after about 1 second of play > time. Also, FF or Rewind dont work. Do I have the stuck cam motor symptom? > Very new to servicing these so I have a lot to learn. What do you think I > should try next? > > > Thanks for your advice... > > Mark > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From finlan2003 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 18 10:26:45 2008 From: finlan2003 at hotmail.com (Kim Lundqvist) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:26:45 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi! Thank you for your input, everyone! I'm impressed by the number of responses received in such a short time. Warren, I'm afraid the videoclip might've been slightly misleading. When the sound cuts out, the level meters do in fact go flat. I just didn't give them enough time to do so now, with my constant tapping the back plate. Tom and Roland, I will try the 'screwdriver trick', i.e. ensuring that everything holding the circuit board is tight. Kannan, I will try to see if I can locate the relay you mentioned. Ron, There is in fact no hum when the sound cuts out. Just silence. (I suspect this message is unfortunately going to appear as a new thread. Maybe I shouldn't have selected the Digest mode at sign-up (I haven't received any digests yet)). Regards, Kim Lundqvist _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 11:59:28 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 question In-Reply-To: <8CA9F05CC9E9109-81C-1DBE@webmail-de10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <97113.76296.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Try to send it to some tech guy with large number of posting on Naktalk - if you are a member of Naktalk , you can access large amount of answers to similar questions on many Naks. And if you are not a tech asking a question like this makes no sense to me without you reading up bunch of already answered possible solutions.   Kannan --- On Tue, 6/17/08, el34guy at aol.com wrote: From: el34guy at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 question To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 10:54 PM Hello, I just bought another BX-300 and I will be darned if it doesnt work(and I knew it ahead of time too)!! I changed the belt, but still its stopping after about 1 second of play time. Also, FF or Rewind dont work. Do I have the stuck cam motor symptom? Very new to servicing these so I have a lot to learn. What do you think I should try next? Thanks for your advice... 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Jun 18 13:14:25 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:14:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 question In-Reply-To: <8CA9F05CC9E9109-81C-1DBE@webmail-de10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA9F05CC9E9109-81C-1DBE@webmail-de10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910806180414q63561d6eia984a3875b2f4012@mail.gmail.com> You can try the ESL Labs idler ( http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300233265189 ) Instructions at http://nakamichi.us/ If you repeatedly press play and you see that the machine starts to eat tape, it's most likely the idler. You can check this by removing the front cover (pull it up) and the thin black panel hiding the idler (two screws). Once this is done, close the front door frame and press play. Hold the take-up hub wheel. If you need almost no tension to get the idler slipping on the hub, then it definitely is the problem. If you want to check the cam motor, open the deck's top cover, you can see it from behind. The motor is positioned perpendicular to the other two motors and has a worm gear on it. You can manually turn it a bit to get it unstuck (if that's the problem) Hope this helps, Antoine 2008/6/17 : > Hello, > > I just bought another BX-300 and I will be darned if it doesnt work(and I > knew it ahead of time too)!! > > I changed the belt, but still its stopping after about 1 second of play > time. Also, FF or Rewind dont work. Do I have the stuck cam motor symptom? > Very new to servicing these so I have a lot to learn. What do you think I > should try next? > > > Thanks for your advice... > > Mark > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From davidt124 at internode.on.net Wed Jun 18 14:27:11 2008 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:27:11 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay and Paypal Message-ID: The Australian Anti-Competition Commission is giving Ebay a challenge on its Paypal monopoly: Mixed messages on eBay payment changes. In the blue corner we have eBay, which was hoping to introduce its controversial new payment arrangements yesterday. In effect, eBay wanted to all transactions payable viable eBay online payments service PayPal. Below is the message sent out to eBayers explaining the one month delay, the wording suggesting the changes will go ahead. But will they? In the red corner we have the ACCC, which on 12 June raised concerns over the impact on anti-competitiveness of the move. ACCC Chairman Graham Samuel said: "PayPal currently competes with a range of other providers to supply online payment services to users of online marketplaces. If the notified conduct is allowed to go ahead, there will be no competition for the supply of such services to buyers and sellers using eBay ... Given eBay's position as Australia's leading online marketplace, the notified conduct will substantially reduce competition to supply online payment services to users of online marketplaces more generally." Now "eBay and interested parties ... have time to lodge submissions in response to the draft notice, before the ACCC decides whether to issue a final notice revoking the notification." The ACCC will release its decision "soon". Stay tuned. (from Crikey.com) The proposed Paypal monopoly is now put off until 15 July. David From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Jun 18 17:17:19 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <58313.68412.qm@web33302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kim the relay will be just next to where the Play/record head cable is terminated on a removable white cable connector. Genrally it is enclosed in semi transparent plastic rectangular box like component. Or it can be even Blue( non transparent) sealed box like one soldered next to this cable connector. You have to open the bottom cover to access the PCB tracks and check whether the connection is alright across this relay in play mode Kannan --- On Wed, 6/18/08, Kim Lundqvist wrote: From: Kim Lundqvist Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 4:26 AM Hi! Thank you for your input, everyone! I'm impressed by the number of responses received in such a short time. Warren, I'm afraid the videoclip might've been slightly misleading. When the sound cuts out, the level meters do in fact go flat. I just didn't give them enough time to do so now, with my constant tapping the back plate. Tom and Roland, I will try the 'screwdriver trick', i.e. ensuring that everything holding the circuit board is tight. Kannan, I will try to see if I can locate the relay you mentioned. Ron, There is in fact no hum when the sound cuts out. Just silence. (I suspect this message is unfortunately going to appear as a new thread. Maybe I shouldn't have selected the Digest mode at sign-up (I haven't received any digests yet)). Regards, Kim Lundqvist _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 18 15:20:26 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron Hoffman) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:20:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. In-Reply-To: <733092.59566.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <733092.59566.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48590B9A.5060004@rcn.com> Warren, See below, He says that when the problem occurs, the level meters 'stay flat'. Seems to me, Kannan is right and there could be intermittent connections to the head. -- Ron . Warren Bendler wrote: > Doubtful, since the meters show activity. If the playback head wasn't > connected to the playback amp, the meters would be dead. > > Warren > > */kannan srinivasaraghavan /* wrote: > > There is a good chance - the relay after playback head connector > on the pcb has problem. This relay actually connects the record > amp when in record mode. tap this relay and check whether works . > Secondly use a Multimeter to check the contact connections if you > are capable of troubleshooting simple electronic faults > kannan > > --- On *Tue, 6/17/08, Kim Lundqvist //* wrote: > > From: Kim Lundqvist > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but > no sound. > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 10:14 AM > > Hi! > > I'm the proud owner of an LX-3, a BX-100E and a CR-1E, but > unfortunately my CR-1E is acting up a bit. I'm posting to > the NakTalk list, hoping that someone might be able to > offer some helpful advice. > > At times, when you pop in a cassette and press Play, there > is no sound and the level meters stay flat (although the tape > transport is operating perfectly fine and the tape does contain > audio). By tapping the back panel of the CR-1E, however, you > might > get sound for a fraction of a second, or if you're lucky, even > for a few hours. > > This 5 MB XviD (with mp3 sound) videoclip should explain the > situation quite well: > > http://web.abo.fi/~kilundqv/NakCutsOut.htm > > What might the problem be and how should I go about fixing it? > I have decent soldering skills, but I do not have much insight > into electronics theory. > > Many thanks! > > Regards, > Kim Lundqvist > _________________________________________________________________ > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 18 15:31:12 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron Hoffman) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:31:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 question In-Reply-To: <8CA9F05CC9E9109-81C-1DBE@webmail-de10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA9F05CC9E9109-81C-1DBE@webmail-de10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <48590E20.1040603@rcn.com> el34guy at aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > I just bought another BX-300 and I will be darned if it doesnt > work(and I knew it ahead of time too)!! > > I changed the belt, but still its stopping after about 1 second of > play time. Also, FF or Rewind dont work. Do I have the stuck cam motor > symptom? Very new to servicing these so I have a lot to learn. What do > you think I should try next? Most likely, it's a problem with the reel drive chain. Could be the reel motor or just the idler (assuming it's the kind with an rubber idler tire -- if so, it's both cheap and easy to replace) . There is also a small chance there's an electronics problem. It's highly unlikely the belt has anything to do with it. -- Ron > > Thanks for your advice... > > Mark From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Jun 18 16:40:02 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:40:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. In-Reply-To: <485815D7.5050909@rcn.com> References: <20080617174807.CAQW10620.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> <485815D7.5050909@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20080618144002.PZWN23410.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> The types of equipment I designed and debugged was new equipment so most electrical problems were infant mortality of select shelf bought components (unlikely) or our electrical department made some wiring errors. On our equipment, some obvious things were the build electrician didn't tighten down a screw on the terminal strip, missing wiring, unplugged power supplies, no fuses in holders, etc,... True, the definitive answer to any problems posted here is to take the equipment to a qualified service person but that would leave Naktalk only for the gurus that have audio generators, 100mhz scopes, T100, etc,... How many times have we seen here on Naktalk an intermittent signal, one channel working the other channel lower than the first, and suggestions were to remove surface or edge card connectors, spray Deoxit, clean the fingers, reattach the connectors and voila! It's back to life and none of those tips required a single piece of electronic test equipment. I'm not trying to be condescending but the first rule of debug even for a guru will always be the same; eliminate the obvious. At 03:51 PM 6/17/2008, you wrote: >Roland wrote: >>I don't repair Naks but I did work as a Electrical Controls >>Engineer for 22 years. It's sounds like you're losing a ground... >... or one of the power rails or a signal path or you have an intermittent >resistor or capacitor or transistor or IC or a PCB track or a connector >pin or.. you name it. > >We can all sit here and guess, but there is no substitute for going at it >on the bench with an audio generator and signal tracer. I'll bet you can >pinpoint it in less than half an hour. > >BTW, if it was a ground he would likely get some hum, which he hasn't >mentioned. Roland From robertweber at telus.net Fri Jun 20 04:22:36 2008 From: robertweber at telus.net (ROBERT WEBER) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:22:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 WORN HEAD? Message-ID: <169C4196-11EE-4869-9CB3-FA16D57D867E@telus.net> I have recently been having a lot of trouble with tape edge damage and skewing. I lubed the capstans and changed the belts. Now I find that when I record something, it sounds very dull. The playback of old tapes is perfect however. Has anyone else experienced this? This deck was purchased in 1985 and has had a lot of use-maybe 5000 to 10000 hours. Has anyone else worn out their record head? Are there replacement heads available? Thank you. Robert Weber From robertweber at telus.net Fri Jun 20 04:27:14 2008 From: robertweber at telus.net (ROBERT WEBER) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:27:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Message-ID: HI, I have a CR7 that does not work. The unit powers up, and the lights are on. Too many lights are on. The FF, RW, PLAY, FADER and PAUSE buttons all light up simultaneously and continuously. Pressing the buttons does nothing. Pressing STOP makes the above noted lighted buttons go out temporarily. Then the above noted light up again. The tape in the machine will not eject. The tape is not stuck either because you can spin the cassette reels by hand. Does anyone know what is going on? Bob From waxtayl at free.fr Fri Jun 20 12:59:02 2008 From: waxtayl at free.fr (waxtayl at free.fr) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:59:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak MR-1 stops during playback... sometimes In-Reply-To: <28838935.426861213959522832.JavaMail.root@spooler10-g27.priv.proxad.net> Message-ID: <176840728.426931213959542194.JavaMail.root@spooler10-g27.priv.proxad.net> Hi, My Nak MR-1 sometimes stops during playback at the half or nearly at the end of the tape and the tape is a little bit out of the cassette (right capstan). I cleaned the capstan pulleys and the belt, it worked normally but it stopped again yesterday. I'm waiting for a new belt so will it be the solution ? This deck has the gear update or was built with it so no idler tire problem. Thanks for your replies. Regards. Pascal From mrm12000 at cableone.net Fri Jun 20 15:20:03 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 06:20:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Metal tapes have arrived. Message-ID: <1454.1213968003@cableone.net> Victor, Do you still have some of your Sony metal tapes? If so, I'd like to buy a box or perhaps two. My ZIP is 86305. Thanks, Marc On Fri May 9 22:25 , 'Victor Gabrenas' sent: >To all, >Sony Metal XR C-60 >Here is the package info. > >EACH BOX OF 10 WEIGHS 2 LBS >DIMS 7" X 4.5" X 3" > >EACH CASE (120 pieces) WEIGHS 22 LBS >DIMS - 21" X 9.5" X 6.25" > >The shipping is from zip 84112 > > >1 box of 10 tapes is: $35.00 + shipping >1 case(12 boxes of 10 pieces) is: $350.00 + shipping > >I now have 10 cases of 120 pieces. Sorry about the delay. Not sure I want to >deal with the company again. > >Vic > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 20 15:29:48 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:29:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. In-Reply-To: <20080618144002.PZWN23410.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> References: <20080617174807.CAQW10620.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> <485815D7.5050909@rcn.com> <20080618144002.PZWN23410.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <485BB0CC.1090107@rcn.com> Roland, Some ubiquitous faults are easy to fix and it does make sense for the not-so-technically-inclined to follow advice of others here and fix the deck by him/herself. OTOH, in many cases the fault is not particularly common nor particularly easy to diagnose. In this thread, the problem could lurk just about anywhere in the signal path and/or the supply liness. Each of the comments made here (except for Warren's) could be the cause, but it could also be something else. The OP could follow all suggestions and see if it helps. In this case, this could be a long, frustrating search. With enough fiddling, he could even cause another fault that would confuse the issues even more. Add to that the advice offered by those who know less than they think ("My car didn't start because I ran out of gas. If your car doesn't start, just fill it up") and less than perfect descriptions of the symptoms. God, please give us the courage to fix the things we can, the money to have the things we cannot fix done by a tech and the wisdom to know the difference :-). -- Ron Roland wrote: > The types of equipment I designed and debugged was new equipment so > most electrical problems were infant mortality of select shelf bought > components (unlikely) or our electrical department made some wiring > errors. On our equipment, some obvious things were the build > electrician didn't tighten down a screw on the terminal strip, missing > wiring, unplugged power supplies, no fuses in holders, etc,... > > True, the definitive answer to any problems posted here is to take the > equipment to a qualified service person but that would leave Naktalk > only for the gurus that have audio generators, 100mhz scopes, T100, > etc,... > > How many times have we seen here on Naktalk an intermittent signal, > one channel working the other channel lower than the first, and > suggestions were to remove surface or edge card connectors, spray > Deoxit, clean the fingers, reattach the connectors and voila! It's > back to life and none of those tips required a single piece of > electronic test equipment. > > I'm not trying to be condescending but the first rule of debug even > for a guru will always be the same; eliminate the obvious. > > > > At 03:51 PM 6/17/2008, you wrote: >> Roland wrote: >>> I don't repair Naks but I did work as a Electrical Controls Engineer >>> for 22 years. It's sounds like you're losing a ground... >> ... or one of the power rails or a signal path or you have an >> intermittent >> resistor or capacitor or transistor or IC or a PCB track or a connector >> pin or.. you name it. >> >> We can all sit here and guess, but there is no substitute for going >> at it >> on the bench with an audio generator and signal tracer. I'll bet you can >> pinpoint it in less than half an hour. >> >> BTW, if it was a ground he would likely get some hum, which he hasn't >> mentioned. From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri Jun 20 15:59:23 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 06:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Any one has Leader Wow and Flutter Meter manual ? Message-ID: <611694.56482.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi does anybody have Leader 39A meter user manual? I need to understand what each selection button on this meter mean? Also when it says Wtd - is it Peak value or RMS?   Anybody can suggest documentation on measuring wow and flutter - kannan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri Jun 20 18:08:14 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:08:14 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Please help with DRAGON Mechanical Problems Message-ID: In a message dated 6/15/2008 1:17:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, daveharris at clear.net.nz writes: I tried the NZ distributor for Kenwood, they said " We've never stocked that it must be very old" . May be a personal visit would help. next time I am in Wellington. It goes in and out of stock in the US with similar replies from the US Kenwood distributor. They can get it from Kenwood Japan for you - if the distributor is cooperative. It's still warehoused in Japan and there is a stock of it. I'm hoping to hear from John Gipps about the WES belt after he has T-100'd it. Jeff W **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Jun 21 01:47:49 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:47:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 WORN HEAD? In-Reply-To: <169C4196-11EE-4869-9CB3-FA16D57D867E@telus.net> References: <169C4196-11EE-4869-9CB3-FA16D57D867E@telus.net> Message-ID: <485C41A5.7060505@yahoo.ca> Hi, the bias might need a readjustment or perhaps the playback and recording heads aren't aligned anymore. Since your deck is three head, you could mark the bias trimpots and recording head azimuth original position, and try to adjust them by ear. It might be your deck starting to have trouble with the orange caps, there are a few of them in the BX series. Antoine ROBERT WEBER a écrit : > I have recently been having a lot of trouble with tape edge damage and > skewing. I lubed the capstans and changed the belts. Now I find that > when I record something, it sounds very dull. The playback of old > tapes is perfect however. Has anyone else experienced this? This > deck was purchased in 1985 and has had a lot of use-maybe 5000 to > 10000 hours. Has anyone else worn out their record head? Are there > replacement heads available? > > Thank you. > > Robert Weber From guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz Sat Jun 21 02:01:35 2008 From: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz (guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:01:35 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Any one has Leader Wow and Flutter Meter manual ? In-Reply-To: <611694.56482.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi kannan, Wtd means the signal put through the 4 Hz standard weighting filter. The W&F function measures the Wow and Flutter of tape recorders and turntables, either weighted or unweighted, according to various international standards, from either a 3.15kHz or 3kHz signal. Though several standards exist, they fall into two groups; within these groups, the standards are functionally identical. One group consists of IEC 386, DIN 45 507 , BS 4847 and CCIR-409. They measure with quasi-peak rectifier. The other group, comprising of NAB and JIS C 5551, measures with RMS a VU-like response. Both groups use the same weighting curve. The IEC group normally measures from 3.15kHz, and the NAB group from 3kHz. However, measurements may be made according to either standard and frequency My NEUTRIK A2 measures according to all standards above. Cheers, Geennady guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz http://www.exicom.co.nz Phone: +64 4 237 2149 Fax: +64 4 237 9696 kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent by: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 21/06/2008 01:59 Please respond to kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com; Please respond to Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To Nak Cassette Deck list cc Subject [naktalk] Any one has Leader Wow and Flutter Meter manual ? Hi does anybody have Leader 39A meter user manual? I need to understand what each selection button on this meter mean? Also when it says Wtd - is it Peak value or RMS? Anybody can suggest documentation on measuring wow and flutter - kannan ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Jun 21 02:00:33 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?UTF-8?B?QW50b2luZSBEZXNjaMOqbmVz?=) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:00:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak MR-1 stops during playback... sometimes In-Reply-To: <176840728.426931213959542194.JavaMail.root@spooler10-g27.priv.proxad.net> References: <176840728.426931213959542194.JavaMail.root@spooler10-g27.priv.proxad.net> Message-ID: <485C44A1.7030808@yahoo.ca> Hi, is the tape coming out of the cassette before or after the capstan? (following the tape path) If it's before it passes through the right capstan, it might be the capstan belt. Otherwise, if it's between the capstan and take up hub, the drive motor might be lacking power. You can try turning the VR601 trimpot clockwise a little bit to see if it helps. If nothing works, only the new belt will be able to tell you if you have to go to the next step (reel motor overhaul). I posted a guide last week on burnishing the drive motor commutator, you should be able to find in the posts archives at naks.com. They seem to often cause problems with gear drive. (When the gear drive is installed, a new motor comes with it, it doesn't seem to last long before an overhaul is required) The symptoms you describe are usually caused by a capstan belt problem or something with the hub drive assembly(idler or motor). Antoine waxtayl at free.fr a écrit : > Hi, > > My Nak MR-1 sometimes stops during playback at the half or nearly at the end of the tape and the tape is a little bit out of the cassette (right capstan). > I cleaned the capstan pulleys and the belt, it worked normally but it stopped again yesterday. I'm waiting for a new belt so will it be the solution ? > This deck has the gear update or was built with it so no idler tire problem. > Thanks for your replies. > Regards. > > Pascal From guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz Sat Jun 21 02:08:38 2008 From: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz (guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:08:38 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 service manual needed Message-ID: Hello from NZ I've bought CR-4 this week. Does anybody have a PDF or solid copy of the CR-4 Service Manual? Thanks in advance Cheers, Gennady guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz http://www.exicom.co.nz Phone: +64 4 237 2149 Fax: +64 4 237 9696 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Jun 21 06:16:19 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:16:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. In-Reply-To: <485BB0CC.1090107@rcn.com> References: <20080617174807.CAQW10620.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> <485815D7.5050909@rcn.com> <20080618144002.PZWN23410.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> <485BB0CC.1090107@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20080621041618.GRRK7964.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Ron, I completely agree that some faults require more than a cursory look and will need some intuitive (experienced) diagnostics. I trusted that the OP had some prior troubleshooting experience and that the provided video with commentary was truly representative of the problem. Later on, we learned from the OP that the video was NOT truly representative of the problem and the bar display did in fact go to null when the audio died. At that point, I would have changed my suggestion to sending the deck to someone with experience and equipment to trace signals. I use to fix equipment for friends and co-workers but soon found out that I just couldn't trust their narrative of the problem. I rarely charged proper fees and most often, my helping them wound up costing me but I chalked it all up to getting experience and learning the trade. I once was given a Stromberg-Carlson receiver to repair. Description of problem was that the right channel sometimes was scratchy and sometimes it cut out. What the owner neglected to tell me was that in order for the receiver to operate, her husband had to place a block of wood between the little red thing (the resettable breaker post) and the wall because it was tripping all the time! That was my very last repair. I hope the OP does not misconstrue my comments in a negative light as this is just a discussion of how an inexact description of symptoms can often lead to inexact suggestions for troubleshooting. At 09:29 AM 6/20/2008, you wrote: >Roland, > >Some ubiquitous faults are easy to fix and it does make >sense for the not-so-technically-inclined to follow advice >of others here and fix the deck by him/herself. > >OTOH, in many cases the fault is not particularly common >nor particularly easy to diagnose. In this thread, the problem >could lurk just about anywhere in the signal path and/or the >supply liness. Each of the comments made here (except for >Warren's) could be the cause, but it could also be something >else. The OP could follow all suggestions and see if it helps. >In this case, this could be a long, frustrating search. With >enough fiddling, he could even cause another fault that would >confuse the issues even more. > >Add to that the advice offered by those who know less than >they think ("My car didn't start because I ran out of gas. If >your car doesn't start, just fill it up") and less than perfect >descriptions of the symptoms. > >God, please give us the courage to fix the things we can, the >money to have the things we cannot fix done by a tech and >the wisdom to know the difference :-). > >-- Ron Roland From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat Jun 21 15:18:45 2008 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:18:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Any one has Leader Wow and Flutter Meter manual ? References: <611694.56482.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005801c8d3a1$6af73380$b207010a@hurtignok> Hi Kannan and others, Here is a link to the instructions manual for LFM-39A http://www.rdrelectronics.com/jon/may08/lfm39a.pdf And a link to some Wikepedia pages about measuring W&F http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow_and_flutter_measurement Best Regards, Per Borgen Denmark Kannan wrote: > Hi > does anybody have Leader 39A meter user manual? > I need to understand what each selection button on this meter mean? > Also when it says Wtd - is it Peak value or RMS? .... > Anybody can suggest documentation on measuring wow and flutter - From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat Jun 21 16:11:36 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:11:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Any one has Leader Wow and Flutter Meter manual ? Message-ID: <10771626.1214057496343.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waxtayl at free.fr Sat Jun 21 18:34:15 2008 From: waxtayl at free.fr (waxtayl) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:34:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak MR-1 stops during playback... sometimes In-Reply-To: <485C44A1.7030808@yahoo.ca> References: <176840728.426931213959542194.JavaMail.root@spooler10-g27.priv.proxad.net> <485C44A1.7030808@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <485D2D87.7010400@free.fr> Hi, Thanks for your reply. The tape comes out the cassette after the right capstan so the problem should be the reel motor. I forgot to tell that I also put lubrication on the capstans, I thought it worked but the player stopped again. I put some deoxit in the reel motor and the MR-1 doesn't stop anymore, ff & rwd are even faster than before, it doesn' t sound like a "tired" motor anymore. A new motor (+ shipping to France!) is very expensive and it seems rather difficult to change it. If it stops again, I'll try the VR601 but it seems already ok. See U Pascal Antoine Deschênes a écrit : > Hi, > > is the tape coming out of the cassette before or after the capstan? > (following the tape path) > > If it's before it passes through the right capstan, it might be the > capstan belt. Otherwise, if it's between the capstan and take up hub, > the drive motor might be lacking power. You can try turning the VR601 > trimpot clockwise a little bit to see if it helps. If nothing works, > only the new belt will be able to tell you if you have to go to the > next step (reel motor overhaul). > > I posted a guide last week on burnishing the drive motor commutator, > you should be able to find in the posts archives at naks.com. They > seem to often cause problems with gear drive. (When the gear drive is > installed, a new motor comes with it, it doesn't seem to last long > before an overhaul is required) > > The symptoms you describe are usually caused by a capstan belt problem > or something with the hub drive assembly(idler or motor). > > Antoine > > waxtayl at free.fr a écrit : >> Hi, >> >> My Nak MR-1 sometimes stops during playback at the half or nearly at >> the end of the tape and the tape is a little bit out of the cassette >> (right capstan). >> I cleaned the capstan pulleys and the belt, it worked normally but it >> stopped again yesterday. I'm waiting for a new belt so will it be the >> solution ? >> This deck has the gear update or was built with it so no idler tire >> problem. >> Thanks for your replies. >> Regards. >> >> Pascal > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 21 20:05:20 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:05:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <485D42E0.7020006@rcn.com> ROBERT WEBER wrote: > HI, > > I have a CR7 that does not work. The unit powers up, and the lights > are on. Too many lights are on. The FF, RW, PLAY, FADER and PAUSE > buttons all light up simultaneously and continuously. Pressing the > buttons does nothing. Pressing STOP makes the above noted lighted > buttons go out temporarily. Then the above noted light up again. > The tape in the machine will not eject. The tape is not stuck either > because you can spin the cassette reels by hand. > > Does anyone know what is going on? > > Bob It's possible your control motor is stuck. To check, remove the cover, press STOP and try to help the white pinion gear along. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 21 20:09:25 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:09:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak MR-1 stops during playback... sometimes In-Reply-To: <176840728.426931213959542194.JavaMail.root@spooler10-g27.priv.proxad.net> References: <176840728.426931213959542194.JavaMail.root@spooler10-g27.priv.proxad.net> Message-ID: <485D43D5.7030309@rcn.com> waxtayl at free.fr wrote: > Hi, > > My Nak MR-1 sometimes stops during playback at the half or nearly at the end of the tape and the tape is a little bit out of the cassette (right capstan). > I cleaned the capstan pulleys and the belt, it worked normally but it stopped again yesterday. I'm waiting for a new belt so will it be the solution ? > This deck has the gear update or was built with it so no idler tire problem. > Thanks for your replies. > Regards. > > Pascal > Suspect the reel motor. -- Ron From paulmorgan at ozemail.com.au Sun Jun 22 11:09:34 2008 From: paulmorgan at ozemail.com.au (paulmorgan at ozemail.com.au) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:09:34 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Remote RM-5 Message-ID: <1184.1214125774@ozemail.com.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ckdawson at cableone.net Sun Jun 22 20:07:18 2008 From: ckdawson at cableone.net (Keith Dawson) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 11:07:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 question Message-ID: <008a01c8d492$cf25bdd0$6401a8c0@dell> Hi Folks, I bought a CR-7 about 1 1/2 years ago and have just recently found that it seems to be running slow. For most of the time I've owned it I have just played tapes that I had recorded on it and they all seemed fine. I recently tried to play some tapes that I had recorded on my CR-1 and another Denon deck that I have and they played noticeably slow on the CR-7. I also tried a commercially recorded tape and it too played slow. What I wanted to ask those of you who may have experience with these decks is - Do you think the cause may be old dried up lubricant or something else similar that might be helped by a good cleaning or does it indicate something more involved? The deck sounds as good as everyone says they should as long as I play only those tapes that were recorded on it. The only other thing that I've noticed is that it will not auto-calibrate SKC type IV tapes that I have. Don't know if it would work with other brands because those are the only type IV's I have. I'd sure like to be able to play my tapes on any of the decks I have but if I'm looking at a complex repair, I'd better start saving up. Thanks in advance for any thoughts or observations that fellow owners of this model or the more technically inclined may offer. Keith Dawson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Jun 23 13:50:52 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:50:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak MR-1 stops during playback... sometimes In-Reply-To: <485D2D87.7010400@free.fr> References: <176840728.426931213959542194.JavaMail.root@spooler10-g27.priv.proxad.net> <485C44A1.7030808@yahoo.ca> <485D2D87.7010400@free.fr> Message-ID: <485F8E1C.8020105@yahoo.ca> You're probably OK then. If you're enough into DIY, I posted instructions on opening and cleaning the commutator already. It saves an old motor. You don't even need to remove it from the transport to work on it. waxtayl a écrit : > Hi, > > Thanks for your reply. > The tape comes out the cassette after the right capstan so the problem > should be the reel motor. I forgot to tell that I also put lubrication > on the capstans, I thought it worked but the player stopped again. > I put some deoxit in the reel motor and the MR-1 doesn't stop anymore, > ff & rwd are even faster than before, it doesn' t sound like a "tired" > motor anymore. > A new motor (+ shipping to France!) is very expensive and it seems > rather difficult to change it. > If it stops again, I'll try the VR601 but it seems already ok. > See U > > Pascal > > > Antoine Deschênes a écrit : >> Hi, >> >> is the tape coming out of the cassette before or after the capstan? >> (following the tape path) >> >> If it's before it passes through the right capstan, it might be the >> capstan belt. Otherwise, if it's between the capstan and take up hub, >> the drive motor might be lacking power. You can try turning the VR601 >> trimpot clockwise a little bit to see if it helps. If nothing works, >> only the new belt will be able to tell you if you have to go to the >> next step (reel motor overhaul). >> >> I posted a guide last week on burnishing the drive motor commutator, >> you should be able to find in the posts archives at naks.com. They >> seem to often cause problems with gear drive. (When the gear drive is >> installed, a new motor comes with it, it doesn't seem to last long >> before an overhaul is required) >> >> The symptoms you describe are usually caused by a capstan belt >> problem or something with the hub drive assembly(idler or motor). >> >> Antoine >> >> waxtayl at free.fr a écrit : >>> Hi, >>> >>> My Nak MR-1 sometimes stops during playback at the half or nearly at >>> the end of the tape and the tape is a little bit out of the cassette >>> (right capstan). >>> I cleaned the capstan pulleys and the belt, it worked normally but >>> it stopped again yesterday. I'm waiting for a new belt so will it be >>> the solution ? >>> This deck has the gear update or was built with it so no idler tire >>> problem. >>> Thanks for your replies. >>> Regards. >>> >>> Pascal >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jun 23 14:46:12 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:46:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 question In-Reply-To: <008a01c8d492$cf25bdd0$6401a8c0@dell> References: <008a01c8d492$cf25bdd0$6401a8c0@dell> Message-ID: <485F9B14.8080000@rcn.com> Keith Dawson wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I bought a CR-7 about 1 1/2 years ago and have just recently found > that it seems to be running slow. For most of the time I've owned it I > have just played tapes that I had recorded on it and they all seemed > fine. I recently tried to play some tapes that I had recorded on my > CR-1 and another Denon deck that I have and they played noticeably > slow on the CR-7. I also tried a commercially recorded tape and it too > played slow. > > What I wanted to ask those of you who may have experience with > these decks is - Do you think the cause may be old dried up lubricant > or something else similar that might be helped by a good cleaning or > does it indicate something more involved? The deck sounds as good as > everyone says they should as long as I play only those tapes that were > recorded on it. The only other thing that I've noticed is that it will > not auto-calibrate SKC type IV tapes that I have. Don't know if it > would work with other brands because those are the only type IV's I > have. I'd sure like to be able to play my tapes on any of the decks I > have but if I'm looking at a complex repair, I'd better start saving up. > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts or observations that fellow > owners of this model or the more technically inclined may offer. > > Keith Dawson Isolate the cause through as process of elimination. First, measure supply voltage to the capstan motor PCB. It should be 11.7V. Second, try lubricating the capstans (both) bearings (NOT THE CAPSTANS! JUST THE BEARINGS.) To do that, raise the small washers on each capstan and place a drop of light machine oil on the bearing; repeat until the bearing no longer absorbs the oil, this takes time. Be aware that in extreme cases, this won't work and you will have to remove the capstan to do a more thorough job. Third, it is possible that the speed adjustment pot located on the motor PCB is misadjusted. You need a 3000Hz tape and a frequency counter to adjust properly, but try to gingerly move the adjustment to see whether it affects the speed smoothly. Be sure to mark the current position before moving. Finally, there could be a fault in the electronic circuit, usually on the capstan motor PCB itself. Fixing this is not for the casual hobbiest. Good luck, -- Ron From bekimh at gmail.com Mon Jun 23 15:06:21 2008 From: bekimh at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?bEks=AE?=) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:06:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] information posting in the site Message-ID: <859b812d0806230606i59291f36r75c878d36e007bb5@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have registered already in your site, and I was searching playback head for my nakamichi 680ZX.. how can I post a thread or query for asking anyone if they have any info regarding finding this head for my deck..> thank you in advance bekim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jun 23 15:13:52 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:13:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 WORN HEAD? In-Reply-To: <485C41A5.7060505@yahoo.ca> References: <169C4196-11EE-4869-9CB3-FA16D57D867E@telus.net> <485C41A5.7060505@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <485FA190.7000108@rcn.com> Antoine, Personally, I prefer a systematic approach to troubleshooting, in order of likelihood, rather than ease. This is usually far more effective than haphazard attacks of random areas that caused problems in other decks. This deck causes tape edge damage and skewing. It's highly unlikely this is due to incorrect bias. The *first* thing to look at is tape traveling and guide alignments, plus other mechanical factors. Once the above is correct, I would see if poor recording response is still a problem. If so, I would check the record head alignments. If correct, I would then -- and only then -- suspect the bias oscillator and its orange caps. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hi, > > the bias might need a readjustment or perhaps the playback and > recording heads aren't aligned anymore. Since your deck is three head, > you could mark the bias trimpots and recording head azimuth original > position, and try to adjust them by ear. > > It might be your deck starting to have trouble with the orange caps, > there are a few of them in the BX series. > > Antoine > > ROBERT WEBER a écrit : >> I have recently been having a lot of trouble with tape edge damage >> and skewing. I lubed the capstans and changed the belts. Now I find >> that when I record something, it sounds very dull. The playback of >> old tapes is perfect however. Has anyone else experienced this? >> This deck was purchased in 1985 and has had a lot of use-maybe 5000 >> to 10000 hours. Has anyone else worn out their record head? Are >> there replacement heads available? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Robert Weber > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 23 15:46:49 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:46:49 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 question Message-ID: <7321774.1214228809635.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Mon Jun 23 17:36:17 2008 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:36:17 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Remote RM-5 In-Reply-To: <1184.1214125774@ozemail.com.au> References: <1184.1214125774@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <485FC2F1.7010709@otenet.gr> Paul, Check out Scott Johnson's NAK FAQ site at: http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/Nak_Remotes.html paulmorgan at ozemail.com.au wrote: > Does anyone know what cassette decks the Nakamichi RM-05 would > operate. Thanks, Paul > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From finlan2003 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 23 18:29:27 2008 From: finlan2003 at hotmail.com (Kim Lundqvist) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:29:27 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. In-Reply-To: <20080621041618.GRRK7964.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20080617174807.CAQW10620.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> <485815D7.5050909@rcn.com> <20080618144002.PZWN23410.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> <485BB0CC.1090107@rcn.com> <20080621041618.GRRK7964.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: Hi! Kannan, I can't seem to find any relays in the area you mentioned. Am I not looking hard enough? Here's a picture of the PCB: http://web.abo.fi/~kilundqv/CR1E_PCB_front_with_comments.jpg In any case, I happened to notice that gently touching the resistor R303 (marked with a (c)) in the picture) would make the sound cut out/in/out/in/out..., until the Nak suddenly decided to just keep playing! Currently I'm not even able to reproduce the problem! Does this sound completely weird and unexpected? Roland, Well, the verbal problem description I gave certainly was accurate, but unfortunately not very elaborate. The videoclip also was accurate (obviously, since it indeed was my Nak we saw in action), but not too 'well directed', so to speak. Unfortunately, I still don't have that much more to offer, but I'm hoping the 'My car won't start and resistor R303 might have something to do with it' will be at least somewhat more informative than the plain 'My car won't start' I came barging in with earlier...? Regards, K. > Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:16:19 -0400 > To: naktalk at naks.com > From: rjlbjk at cox.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. > > Ron, > > I completely agree that some faults require more than a cursory look > and will need some intuitive (experienced) diagnostics. I trusted > that the OP had some prior troubleshooting experience and that the > provided video with commentary was truly representative of the problem. > > Later on, we learned from the OP that the video was NOT truly > representative of the problem and the bar display did in fact go to > null when the audio died. At that point, I would have changed my > suggestion to sending the deck to someone with experience and > equipment to trace signals. > > I use to fix equipment for friends and co-workers but soon found out > that I just couldn't trust their narrative of the problem. I rarely > charged proper fees and most often, my helping them wound up costing > me but I chalked it all up to getting experience and learning the trade. > > I once was given a Stromberg-Carlson receiver to repair. Description > of problem was that the right channel sometimes was scratchy and > sometimes it cut out. What the owner neglected to tell me was that > in order for the receiver to operate, her husband had to place a > block of wood between the little red thing (the resettable breaker > post) and the wall because it was tripping all the time! That was my > very last repair. > > I hope the OP does not misconstrue my comments in a negative light as > this is just a discussion of how an inexact description of symptoms > can often lead to inexact suggestions for troubleshooting. _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Mon Jun 23 19:02:28 2008 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:02:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - a salutorywarningtoNaktalkers In-Reply-To: <84E02A8F8C9144B6B0216745FB2DBDE3@GrahamNPC> References: <53EEFE1671F144239D5CC053A7CF62BE@GrahamNPC> <84E02A8F8C9144B6B0216745FB2DBDE3@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:33:26 +0100, "Graham A Nelson" wrote: >You'd think so but I bought for one of my boys a Fender beginners electric >guitar kit over the internet and arranged for a personal pick-up as the >company was in 30 minutes drive from here. They STILL charged me £10 ($20) >for shipping! "Company policy ..." I'd have told them to stuff their >company policy and the guitar where the Sun don't shine, but I couldn't find >the kit cheaper elsewhere. many sellers work full time to make online sales, and having to answer the door and babysit one sale takes as much time as packing the item and placing it along with all the other winnings that need posting. Also any company that does postal may have chosen to now have anyone employed just to service people who come in wanting to pick up in person. I think the fee may be fair, but the size may in some cases be debatable. In addition many people prefer personal sales and pickup, but many sellers are not prepared to handle money in the flesh, they want it where it has to go: in the bank, and not in some drawer or cigarbox. -Mikkel From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Jun 23 21:56:57 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:56:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 WORN HEAD? In-Reply-To: <485FA190.7000108@rcn.com> References: <169C4196-11EE-4869-9CB3-FA16D57D867E@telus.net> <485C41A5.7060505@yahoo.ca> <485FA190.7000108@rcn.com> Message-ID: <48600009.5050202@yahoo.ca> From what I understand, he fixed the skewing problem, and now his tapes sound dull. Ron a écrit : > > Antoine, > > Personally, I prefer a systematic approach to troubleshooting, in order > of likelihood, rather than ease. This is usually far more effective than > haphazard attacks of random areas that caused problems in other decks. > > This deck causes tape edge damage and skewing. It's highly unlikely this > is due to incorrect bias. The *first* thing to look at is tape > traveling and > guide alignments, plus other mechanical factors. > > Once the above is correct, I would see if poor recording response is > still a > problem. If so, I would check the record head alignments. If correct, I > would then -- and only then -- suspect the bias oscillator and its orange > caps. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> Hi, >> >> the bias might need a readjustment or perhaps the playback and >> recording heads aren't aligned anymore. Since your deck is three >> head, you could mark the bias trimpots and recording head azimuth >> original position, and try to adjust them by ear. >> >> It might be your deck starting to have trouble with the orange caps, >> there are a few of them in the BX series. >> >> Antoine >> >> ROBERT WEBER a écrit : >>> I have recently been having a lot of trouble with tape edge damage >>> and skewing. I lubed the capstans and changed the belts. Now I >>> find that when I record something, it sounds very dull. The >>> playback of old tapes is perfect however. Has anyone else >>> experienced this? This deck was purchased in 1985 and has had a lot >>> of use-maybe 5000 to 10000 hours. Has anyone else worn out their >>> record head? Are there replacement heads available? >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Robert Weber >> From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 23 21:57:14 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:57:14 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] information posting in the site Message-ID: <23822550.1214251034437.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 23 22:01:01 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:01:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. Message-ID: <7727969.1214251261075.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Check for poor solder on the black ground wire near point "C". The solder may be there but the wire itself is loose within the solder. This deck has no relays, as you have determined. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kim Lundqvist >Sent: Jun 23, 2008 11:29 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. > > >Hi! > >Kannan, > >I can't seem to find any relays in the area you mentioned. Am I >not looking hard enough? Here's a picture of the PCB: >http://web.abo.fi/~kilundqv/CR1E_PCB_front_with_comments.jpg > >In any case, I happened to notice that gently touching the resistor >R303 (marked with a (c)) in the picture) would make the sound >cut out/in/out/in/out..., until the Nak suddenly decided to just keep >playing! Currently I'm not even able to reproduce the problem! > >Does this sound completely weird and unexpected? > >Roland, > >Well, the verbal problem description I gave certainly was accurate, >but unfortunately not very elaborate. The videoclip also was accurate >(obviously, since it indeed was my Nak we saw in action), but not too >'well directed', so to speak. Unfortunately, I still don't have that much >more to offer, but I'm hoping the 'My car won't start and resistor R303 >might have something to do with it' will be at least somewhat more >informative than the plain 'My car won't start' I came barging in with >earlier...? > >Regards, >K. > >> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:16:19 -0400 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> From: rjlbjk at cox.net >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. >> >> Ron, >> >> I completely agree that some faults require more than a cursory look >> and will need some intuitive (experienced) diagnostics. I trusted >> that the OP had some prior troubleshooting experience and that the >> provided video with commentary was truly representative of the problem. >> >> Later on, we learned from the OP that the video was NOT truly >> representative of the problem and the bar display did in fact go to >> null when the audio died. At that point, I would have changed my >> suggestion to sending the deck to someone with experience and >> equipment to trace signals. >> >> I use to fix equipment for friends and co-workers but soon found out >> that I just couldn't trust their narrative of the problem. I rarely >> charged proper fees and most often, my helping them wound up costing >> me but I chalked it all up to getting experience and learning the trade. >> >> I once was given a Stromberg-Carlson receiver to repair. Description >> of problem was that the right channel sometimes was scratchy and >> sometimes it cut out. What the owner neglected to tell me was that >> in order for the receiver to operate, her husband had to place a >> block of wood between the little red thing (the resettable breaker >> post) and the wall because it was tripping all the time! That was my >> very last repair. >> >> I hope the OP does not misconstrue my comments in a negative light as >> this is just a discussion of how an inexact description of symptoms >> can often lead to inexact suggestions for troubleshooting. > >_________________________________________________________________ >News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! >http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 21:42:31 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <269410.78466.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Looks to me that the Dolby IC ( SONY IC next to your Resistor) seem to have the reason The resistors are supply line to this IC, if there is some fault to powersupply to this IC that would cause this drop in playback sound - from your recent findings Kannan --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Kim Lundqvist wrote: From: Kim Lundqvist Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:29 PM Hi! Kannan, I can't seem to find any relays in the area you mentioned. Am I not looking hard enough? Here's a picture of the PCB: http://web.abo.fi/~kilundqv/CR1E_PCB_front_with_comments.jpg In any case, I happened to notice that gently touching the resistor R303 (marked with a (c)) in the picture) would make the sound cut out/in/out/in/out..., until the Nak suddenly decided to just keep playing! Currently I'm not even able to reproduce the problem! Does this sound completely weird and unexpected? Roland, Well, the verbal problem description I gave certainly was accurate, but unfortunately not very elaborate. The videoclip also was accurate (obviously, since it indeed was my Nak we saw in action), but not too 'well directed', so to speak. Unfortunately, I still don't have that much more to offer, but I'm hoping the 'My car won't start and resistor R303 might have something to do with it' will be at least somewhat more informative than the plain 'My car won't start' I came barging in with earlier...? Regards, K. > Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:16:19 -0400 > To: naktalk at naks.com > From: rjlbjk at cox.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. > > Ron, > > I completely agree that some faults require more than a cursory look > and will need some intuitive (experienced) diagnostics. I trusted > that the OP had some prior troubleshooting experience and that the > provided video with commentary was truly representative of the problem. > > Later on, we learned from the OP that the video was NOT truly > representative of the problem and the bar display did in fact go to > null when the audio died. At that point, I would have changed my > suggestion to sending the deck to someone with experience and > equipment to trace signals. > > I use to fix equipment for friends and co-workers but soon found out > that I just couldn't trust their narrative of the problem. I rarely > charged proper fees and most often, my helping them wound up costing > me but I chalked it all up to getting experience and learning the trade. > > I once was given a Stromberg-Carlson receiver to repair. Description > of problem was that the right channel sometimes was scratchy and > sometimes it cut out. What the owner neglected to tell me was that > in order for the receiver to operate, her husband had to place a > block of wood between the little red thing (the resettable breaker > post) and the wall because it was tripping all the time! That was my > very last repair. > > I hope the OP does not misconstrue my comments in a negative light as > this is just a discussion of how an inexact description of symptoms > can often lead to inexact suggestions for troubleshooting. _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon Jun 23 22:11:19 2008 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:11:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] information posting in the site References: <23822550.1214251034437.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00bf01c8d56d$4df23690$53f66391@a8n32sli> Hi, is a head of a Nak482 the same ? I have a N482 head in stock (used) with very low hours Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] information posting in the site You have just posted. It is as simple as writing a message. One option is to describe why you think you need a play head. In my personal experience I have yet to encounter a worn head. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: bEks® Sent: Jun 23, 2008 8:06 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] information posting in the site Hi, I have registered already in your site, and I was searching playback head for my nakamichi 680ZX.. how can I post a thread or query for asking anyone if they have any info regarding finding this head for my deck..> thank you in advance bekim __________ NOD32 3207 (20080622) Informatie __________ Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. http://www.nod32.nl Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From waxtayl at free.fr Tue Jun 24 00:04:52 2008 From: waxtayl at free.fr (waxtayl) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:04:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak MR-1 stops during playback... sometimes In-Reply-To: <485F8E1C.8020105@yahoo.ca> References: <176840728.426931213959542194.JavaMail.root@spooler10-g27.priv.proxad.net> <485C44A1.7030808@yahoo.ca> <485D2D87.7010400@free.fr> <485F8E1C.8020105@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <48601E04.1090408@free.fr> Thanks for your support, I'll go and check your advice because the reel motor is not as fast as I told a few days ago (ff & rwd) but the player doesn't stop anymore during playback. I only use the MR-1 for digitizing old radio recordings made by an old 2 heads Yamaha but I would like to use the Nak as long as possible, it's a great player and a very good under estimated recorder. I tried a RX-505, a 670ZX and the MR-1 is as good as these. I'll try your DIY ;) Antoine Deschênes a écrit : > You're probably OK then. If you're enough into DIY, I posted > instructions on opening and cleaning the commutator already. It saves > an old motor. You don't even need to remove it from the transport to > work on it. > > From greynlds at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 00:21:13 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:21:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - asalutorywarningtoNaktalkers In-Reply-To: References: <53EEFE1671F144239D5CC053A7CF62BE@GrahamNPC><84E02A8F8C9144B6B0216745FB2DBDE3@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <7BCCFDFF77514F65985660B5D6510B74@geoffprimary> From: "Mikkel Breiler" > many sellers work full time to make online sales, and having to answer the > door and babysit one sale takes as much time as packing the item and > placing it along with all the other winnings that need posting. > > Also any company that does postal may have chosen to now have anyone > employed just to service people who come in wanting to pick up in person. > I think the fee may be fair, but the size may in some cases be debatable. Well, for someone with an eBay store and many thousands of feedbacks, I can perhaps buy this argument. But for sellers who are clearly just selling off a few items here and there, I feel it's greedy to still charge for pickup as long as the buyer is flexible enough on pickup times to work with the seller's schedule. If a seller finds local pickup to be so much of a hassle that they feel they have to charge for it, they should just refuse to do local pickup (allowing local pickup isn't a required form of delivery). > In addition many people prefer personal sales and pickup, but many sellers > are not prepared to handle money in the flesh, they want it where it has > to > go: in the bank, and not in some drawer or cigarbox. I don't see a problem here - payment must be received on the seller's terms before the item can be picked up. When I sell stuff, my payment terms don't change for local pickup (other than being willing to accept cash). The same rules apply - payment must be complete via PayPal, a cleared check (money order, personal, etc.), or cash before the item leaves my possession. Simple as that. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net From badanth at aim.com Tue Jun 24 00:28:19 2008 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:28:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Remote RM-5 In-Reply-To: <1184.1214125774@ozemail.com.au> References: <1184.1214125774@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <8CAA39792AC3338-1768-840@WEBMAIL-MC05.sysops.aol.com> I believe the CR5 uses this unit. I'm not sure what other decks it works wih though. Anthony -----Original Message----- From: paulmorgan at ozemail.com.au To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 5:09 am Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Remote RM-5 Does anyone know what cassette decks the Nakamichi RM-05 would operate.? Thanks, Paul = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bekimh at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 08:32:51 2008 From: bekimh at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?bEks=AE?=) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:32:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] information posting in the site In-Reply-To: <00bf01c8d56d$4df23690$53f66391@a8n32sli> References: <23822550.1214251034437.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <00bf01c8d56d$4df23690$53f66391@a8n32sli> Message-ID: <859b812d0806232332sb847f91u4907775f001d9364@mail.gmail.com> Hi, the problem is, when head is measured with multimeter one channel (left) is dead, no resistance. Therefore I need playback head, otherwise I had many tape deck and almost never had a problem with playback head. bekim On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Norman van Wijnen < n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > Hi, > > is a head of a Nak482 the same ? > I have a N482 head in stock (used) with very low hours > > > > Regards Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Tom Brucker > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; > naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Monday, June 23, 2008 9:57 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] information posting in the site > > You have just posted. It is as simple as writing a message. > > One option is to describe why you think you need a play head. In my > personal experience I have yet to encounter a worn head. > > > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bEks(R) > Sent: Jun 23, 2008 8:06 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] information posting in the site > > Hi, > > I have registered already in your site, and I was searching playback head > for my nakamichi 680ZX.. how can I post a thread or query for asking anyone > if they have any info regarding finding this head for my deck..> > > thank you in advance > > bekim > > > > __________ NOD32 3207 (20080622) Informatie __________ > > Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. > http://www.nod32.nl > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211hitech77 at earthlink.nethitech@bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________ NOD32 3207 (20080622) Informatie __________ > > Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. > http://www.nod32.nl > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bekimh at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 08:40:30 2008 From: bekimh at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?bEks=AE?=) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:40:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] information posting in the site In-Reply-To: <00bf01c8d56d$4df23690$53f66391@a8n32sli> References: <23822550.1214251034437.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <00bf01c8d56d$4df23690$53f66391@a8n32sli> Message-ID: <859b812d0806232340v39ee16anf1e1c292729c74cf@mail.gmail.com> Hi, according to naks.com 680ZX has P-9F playback head, while a 482 has P-8L.. So, I'm not experienced with playback heads in general, not to mention nakamichi decks. But, my decks head when I measure with multimeter one channel is dead, therefore I'm looking for this head. If you have any idea will your head work in my deck please, let me know, as well the price. thank you bekim On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Norman van Wijnen < n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > Hi, > > is a head of a Nak482 the same ? > I have a N482 head in stock (used) with very low hours > > > > Regards Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Tom Brucker > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; > naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Monday, June 23, 2008 9:57 PM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] information posting in the site > > You have just posted. It is as simple as writing a message. > > One option is to describe why you think you need a play head. In my > personal experience I have yet to encounter a worn head. > > > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bEks(R) > Sent: Jun 23, 2008 8:06 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] information posting in the site > > Hi, > > I have registered already in your site, and I was searching playback head > for my nakamichi 680ZX.. how can I post a thread or query for asking anyone > if they have any info regarding finding this head for my deck..> > > thank you in advance > > bekim > > > > __________ NOD32 3207 (20080622) Informatie __________ > > Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. > http://www.nod32.nl > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211hitech77 at earthlink.nethitech@bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________ NOD32 3207 (20080622) Informatie __________ > > Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. > http://www.nod32.nl > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Jun 24 09:25:23 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:25:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Any one has Leader Wow and Flutter Meter manual ? In-Reply-To: <10771626.1214057496343.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <10771626.1214057496343.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <44E334FF-1E64-498D-80B1-68DC9132B74A@peromarta.org> All I have is a SM for a Leader 39A Wow & Flutter meter. let me know if it is of any use to you, and contact me off-list. -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement. Luis Peromarta El 21/06/2008, a las 16:11, Tom Brucker escribió: Kannan, If you cannot locate a manual give us the button names and we'll help you. As with many audio measurements like noise or distortion there are variations in measurement methods that require some acronyms after the number to tell what the conditions. Distortion for example can be "average" or RMS. Noise can be "A wtd" or "C wtd". I think some of these variations are caused by specification wars, but most are driven by a desire to fit measurements into the idea of "what is audible" or "what matters most". We all know for example, that power in RMS watts doesn't correlate well with what we hear. The old "music power" was better, and newer "dynamic headroom" is the best. Wow and flutter has 4 common measurement conditions. First, it is a measure of the peak or average power contained in frequency variations summed in the band 0Hz-25Hz (wow) 25-Hz-300Hz (flutter) after an reference frequency is filtered out (3kHz or 3.15kHz). There are 3 common weighting systems, each of which boosts or cuts the power in the wow and flutter bands to meet some concept of audibility, or to make the numbers look better. (WRMS while not weighted, gives lower numbers than Wavg.) DIN weighting is a European standard, and makes the specs look "bad", but to my ear is the better weighting system. NAB weighting is "professional" and doesn't appear much on meters. JIS is a Japanese weighting IMO designed to give better specs to cheap crappy decks. There is also a CCIR weighting I know nothing about. If we measure one deck, the W/F measurements follow this order from highest to lowest: peak-unwtd. ; DINwtd; NABwtd; WRMS; JISwtd tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Jun 20, 2008 8:59 AM To: Nak Cassette Deck list Subject: [naktalk] Any one has Leader Wow and Flutter Meter manual ? Hi does anybody have Leader 39A meter user manual? I need to understand what each selection button on this meter mean? Also when it says Wtd - is it Peak value or RMS? Anybody can suggest documentation on measuring wow and flutter - kannan Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= From finlan2003 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 24 11:17:37 2008 From: finlan2003 at hotmail.com (Kim Lundqvist) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:17:37 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. In-Reply-To: <269410.78466.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <269410.78466.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kannan and Tom, It turns out that one leg of the resistor R303 was suffering from a horrible solder joint. As you can see in the videoclip and pictures here...: http://web.abo.fi/~kilundqv/CR1E/ ...the leg was very loose. Resoldering should help. Then I suppose we might consider the case closed, or what do you think? Regards, K. ________________________________ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:42:31 -0700 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. To: naktalk at naks.com Looks to me that the Dolby IC ( SONY IC next to your Resistor) seem to have the reason The resistors are supply line to this IC, if there is some fault to powersupply to this IC that would cause this drop in playback sound - from your recent findings Kannan --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Kim Lundqvist wrote: From: Kim Lundqvist Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:29 PM Hi! Kannan, I can't seem to find any relays in the area you mentioned. Am I not looking hard enough? Here's a picture of the PCB: http://web.abo.fi/~kilundqv/CR1E_PCB_front_with_comments.jpg In any case, I happened to notice that gently touching the resistor R303 (marked with a (c) in the picture) would make the sound cut out/in/out/in/out..., until the Nak suddenly decided to just keep playing! Currently I'm not even able to reproduce the problem! Does this sound completely weird and unexpected? _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Jun 24 15:16:54 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:16:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] AAAAAHHH! I CAN'T STAND IT! Message-ID: <062420081316.25202.4860F3C60002D7B60000627222147564029C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Oh, how I HATE what the iPod and Surround Sound have done to people's perception of what "hi fi" is!!! Read the item description: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-2A-Tape-Cassette-Deck_W0QQitemZ220249786980QQihZ012QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Jun 24 18:03:56 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:03:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] AAAAAHHH! I CAN'T STAND IT! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I suspect the advertiser may have acquired The JeffPod to attain such great sound - see: http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/viewpoint/0408/jeffpod.htm Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] AAAAAHHH! I CAN'T STAND IT! Oh, how I HATE what the iPod and Surround Sound have done to people's perception of what "hi fi" is!!! Read the item description: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-2A-Tape-Cassette-Deck_W0QQitemZ220249786980 QQihZ012QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 17:06:59 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <90232.35261.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes the case closed - that is the issue Kannan --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Kim Lundqvist wrote: From: Kim Lundqvist Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 5:17 AM Kannan and Tom, It turns out that one leg of the resistor R303 was suffering from a horrible solder joint. As you can see in the videoclip and pictures here...: http://web.abo.fi/~kilundqv/CR1E/ ...the leg was very loose. Resoldering should help. Then I suppose we might consider the case closed, or what do you think? Regards, K. ________________________________ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:42:31 -0700 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. To: naktalk at naks.com Looks to me that the Dolby IC ( SONY IC next to your Resistor) seem to have the reason The resistors are supply line to this IC, if there is some fault to powersupply to this IC that would cause this drop in playback sound - from your recent findings Kannan --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Kim Lundqvist wrote: From: Kim Lundqvist Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:29 PM Hi! Kannan, I can't seem to find any relays in the area you mentioned. Am I not looking hard enough? Here's a picture of the PCB: http://web.abo.fi/~kilundqv/CR1E_PCB_front_with_comments.jpg In any case, I happened to notice that gently touching the resistor R303 (marked with a (c) in the picture) would make the sound cut out/in/out/in/out..., until the Nak suddenly decided to just keep playing! Currently I'm not even able to reproduce the problem! Does this sound completely weird and unexpected? _________________________________________________________________ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+world&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr Tue Jun 24 19:36:03 2008 From: bernard.pradie at wanadoo.fr (Bernard Pradie) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:36:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances Message-ID: <5lb264lsq5dec65jola4huc0iogc55f4s6@4ax.com> Hi, I have read a lot about 1000 ZXL. I saw too discussion about bests naks. But seems between 1000 ZXL, ZX-9, Dragon, CR-7, the 700 ZXL was not frequently mentioned. Does somebody know details differences in components and quality between it and 1000 ZXL. Does some listeners have ear both (or front another top nak ?) What problem to plan for a potential buy of used (unavailable parts ?, frequent disease ?) Thanks you. -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. From finlan2003 at hotmail.com Tue Jun 24 22:10:00 2008 From: finlan2003 at hotmail.com (Kim Lundqvist) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:10:00 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. In-Reply-To: <90232.35261.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <90232.35261.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ok. Thanks to everyone who contributed! Regards, K. ________________________________ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:06:59 -0700 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. To: naktalk at naks.com CC: finlan2003 at hotmail.com Yes the case closed - that is the issue Kannan --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Kim Lundqvist wrote: From: Kim Lundqvist Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-1E problem: Transport OK but no sound. To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 5:17 AM Kannan and Tom, It turns out that one leg of the resistor R303 was suffering from a horrible solder joint. As you can see in the videoclip and pictures here...: http://web.abo.fi/~kilundqv/CR1E/ ...the leg was very loose. Resoldering should help. Then I suppose we might consider the case closed, or what do you think? Regards, K. _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Jun 24 21:32:12 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:32:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] information posting in the site Message-ID: <8681393.1214335932365.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 15:06:38 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances In-Reply-To: <5lb264lsq5dec65jola4huc0iogc55f4s6@4ax.com> Message-ID: <759396.97508.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> More than anything else - both 700 ZXL /1000 ZXL are not easy to mainatain due mainly to lack of cosmetic parts / frequent electronic component breakdown probably due to being older compared to Dragon /CR7. Another very important issue with them is getting a service tech to attend to them - very few are avaialable in the world today so it is expensive. Between 700ZXL and 1000 ZXL - 1000 ZXL is dearer to obtain and then probably more expensive to maintain.   If you have lot of cash to spare buy any one of them and send it to the few Techs who would work on them and hope it will work without issues for a reasonable period after receiept or buy multiple units !   kannan   --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Bernard Pradie wrote: From: Bernard Pradie Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 1:36 PM Hi, I have read a lot about 1000 ZXL. I saw too discussion about bests naks. But seems between 1000 ZXL, ZX-9, Dragon, CR-7, the 700 ZXL was not frequently mentioned. Does somebody know details differences in components and quality between it and 1000 ZXL. Does some listeners have ear both (or front another top nak ?) What problem to plan for a potential buy of used (unavailable parts ?, frequent disease ?) Thanks you. -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 15:25:01 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances In-Reply-To: <5lb264lsq5dec65jola4huc0iogc55f4s6@4ax.com> Message-ID: <835588.47313.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bernard, You have opened a huge can of worms here. Please go an read up naktalk archives from June-August of 2007 and you will find enough discussion on these machines. It may not be pleasant reading but all you might need to know and some you might not is there too! Regards, Ram --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Bernard Pradie wrote: From: Bernard Pradie Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 1:36 PM Hi, I have read a lot about 1000 ZXL. I saw too discussion about bests naks. But seems between 1000 ZXL, ZX-9, Dragon, CR-7, the 700 ZXL was not frequently mentioned. Does somebody know details differences in components and quality between it and 1000 ZXL. Does some listeners have ear both (or front another top nak ?) What problem to plan for a potential buy of used (unavailable parts ?, frequent disease ?) Thanks you. -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bekimh at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 16:07:15 2008 From: bekimh at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?bEks=AE?=) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:07:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] information posting in the site In-Reply-To: <8681393.1214335932365.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8681393.1214335932365.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <859b812d0806250707v4bf63cf6gd0990174f93d907d@mail.gmail.com> I have dissamble the head from mechanism completely and I have measured wires and are ok. But head for sure has problem, I measure the pins directly to the head and left channel is dead, infinite resistance. Physically cannot be seen any damage or wear in the head, looks fine. Frankly, similar situation never had before, usualy head was physicaly damaged, not cut off or whatever. Anyone any idea where can I purchase one, or any used good head...? thank you all On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > If you measured at the wire harness connection it is highly likely the > wire is broken off the head at the head, or pinched between the transport > and chassis during service. > > > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bEks(R) > Sent: Jun 24, 2008 1:40 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] information posting in the site > > Hi, > > according to naks.com 680ZX has P-9F playback head, while a 482 has P-8L.. > So, I'm not experienced with playback heads in general, not to mention > nakamichi decks. But, my decks head when I measure with multimeter one > channel is dead, therefore I'm looking for this head. > If you have any idea will your head work in my deck please, let me know, as > well the price. > > thank you bekim > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Norman van Wijnen < > n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> is a head of a Nak482 the same ? >> I have a N482 head in stock (used) with very low hours >> >> >> >> Regards Norman >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Tom Brucker >> *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; >> naktalk at naks.com >> *Sent:* Monday, June 23, 2008 9:57 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] information posting in the site >> >> You have just posted. It is as simple as writing a message. >> >> One option is to describe why you think you need a play head. In my >> personal experience I have yet to encounter a worn head. >> >> >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bEks(R) >> Sent: Jun 23, 2008 8:06 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] information posting in the site >> >> Hi, >> >> I have registered already in your site, and I was searching playback head >> for my nakamichi 680ZX.. how can I post a thread or query for asking anyone >> if they have any info regarding finding this head for my deck..> >> >> thank you in advance >> >> bekim >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3207 (20080622) Informatie __________ >> >> Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. >> http://www.nod32.nl >> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211hitech77 at earthlink.nethitech@bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> __________ NOD32 3207 (20080622) Informatie __________ >> >> Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. >> http://www.nod32.nl >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211hitech77 at earthlink.nethitech@bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Wed Jun 25 19:29:15 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:29:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances In-Reply-To: <5lb264lsq5dec65jola4huc0iogc55f4s6@4ax.com> References: <5lb264lsq5dec65jola4huc0iogc55f4s6@4ax.com> Message-ID: <8CAA5001F65E449-10D8-1755@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> Hi Bernard, I believe the transports are the same on both the 700 ZXL & 1000 ZXL. One difference is in the Auto Calibration process: the 700 ZXL utilises 3 frequencies while the 1000 ZXL utilises 4. Another would be the level meters which use 30 segments on 700 ZXL and 56 on 1000 ZXL. Other than these I am struggling to find any further non cosmetic differences. I agree with Kannan's comments on the non existance of cosmetic parts and lack of experienced technicians out there who can restore a deck to full working order, but they are out there and the decks are worth the effort.  Once running well, they give very few problems.  Most electrical parts are available.  Replacement motors and parts can be acquired from a number of lower priced spares decks which utilise similar transport parts.  The heads were specially selected so may not be replaceable easily.  ESL may still be able to fit new heads during an overhaul? I would recommend buying a working deck with no visible head wear and good cosmetics rather than a project deck unless you are brave and lucky. These decks are not often talked about in terms of -  are they the best sounding Nak, best made or just best, as this debate has been exhausted.  I don't think anyone would disagree however, that these decks are up there with the best Nak's ever produced. Regards, Ben Current Naks: 1000 ZXL Limited / 1000 ZXL x 4 / Dragon / ZX-9 / 682ZX http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/1000ZXL/ -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Pradie To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 5:36 am Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances Hi, I have read a lot about 1000 ZXL. saw too discussion about bests naks. But seems between 1000 ZXL, ZX-9, Dragon, CR-7, the 700 ZXL was not frequently entioned. Does somebody know details differences in components and quality between it and 000 ZXL. Does some listeners have ear both (or front another top nak ?) What problem to plan for a potential buy of used (unavailable parts ?, frequent isease ?) Thanks you. - "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk =======---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Jun 25 20:08:17 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances In-Reply-To: <8CAA5001F65E449-10D8-1755@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <29245.82443.qm@web33305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Rec/Replay Frequency spec - nakamichi published as well as true response I beleive- 1000 ZXL is little better than 700ZXL.   What i like in these machines is published spec is plus or minus 1dB audio bandwidth. The spec is better than any other Nak deck.    This spec requires very methodical and elaborate service procedures - as documented in 1000ZXL service manual including changing capacitor to get the response in the region of 40 to 20Hz where head contour effects are possible and getting them within 1dB is really tough.   So if you could get these machines with this published spec performance, they are worth provided you play the cassettes recorded in them. But if you want to play all sorts of cassttes do they worth all the effort? One thing baffling me is why Nakamichi used ZX 9 for real time recording  of their collector series cassettes while 700 ZXL could have beaten ZX9 in specs?   Kannan --- On Wed, 6/25/08, benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 1:29 PM Hi Bernard, I believe the transports are the same on both the 700 ZXL & 1000 ZXL. One difference is in the Auto Calibration process: the 700 ZXL utilises 3 frequencies while the 1000 ZXL utilises 4. Another would be the level meters which use 30 segments on 700 ZXL and 56 on 1000 ZXL. Other than these I am struggling to find any further non cosmetic differences. I agree with Kannan's comments on the non existance of cosmetic parts and lack of experienced technicians out there who can restore a deck to full working order, but they are out there and the decks are worth the effort.  Once running well, they give very few problems.  Most electrical parts are available.  Replacement motors and parts can be acquired from a number of lower priced spares decks which utilise similar transport parts.  The heads were specially selected so may not be replaceable easily.  ESL may still be able to fit new heads during an overhaul? I would recommend buying a working deck with no visible head wear and good cosmetics rather than a project deck unless you are brave and lucky. These decks are not often talked about in terms of -  are they the best sounding Nak, best made or just best, as this debate has been exhausted.  I don't think anyone would disagree however, that these decks are up there with the best Nak's ever produced. Regards, Ben Current Naks: 1000 ZXL Limited / 1000 ZXL x 4 / Dragon / ZX-9 / 682ZX http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/1000ZXL/ -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Pradie To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 5:36 am Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances Hi, I have read a lot about 1000 ZXL. I saw too discussion about bests naks. But seems between 1000 ZXL, ZX-9, Dragon, CR-7, the 700 ZXL was not frequently mentioned. Does somebody know details differences in components and quality between it and 1000 ZXL. Does some listeners have ear both (or front another top nak ?) What problem to plan for a potential buy of used (unavailable parts ?, frequent disease ?) Thanks you. -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news, & more! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Jun 26 00:04:02 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:04:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances Message-ID: This is just a guess based on looking at Wouter's timeline and using some knowledge about how companies operate, but I would assume the purpose of making the tapes is to sell decks, and the ZX9 started being made in 1982, which is the same year the 700zxl ceased production. You'd probably want to say you made the tapes on a machine people could actually buy (for a while), rather than one you're n longer making. Just a guess; maybe someone with more inside knowledge can come up with a more accurate/different scenario.-kby > So if you could get these machines with this published spec > performance, they are worth provided you play the cassettes > recorded in them. But if you want to play all sorts of cassttes do > they worth all the effort? > One thing baffling me is why Nakamichi used ZX 9 for real time > recording of their collector series cassettes while 700 ZXL could > have beaten ZX9 in specs? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Jun 26 01:27:34 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:27:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4694E85AA50A48D1874ACC9964252126@GrahamNPC> Someone correct me if I am wrong but didn't Nakamichi continued to use the ZX-9 after the model was withdrawn from production? Maybe Jeff Galin might be able to throw some light on this as I seem to recall Jeff obtained some of the machines from the Nak' studio ... I may have this wrong! Jeff?? Come out where ever you are! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances This is just a guess based on looking at Wouter's timeline and using some knowledge about how companies operate, but I would assume the purpose of making the tapes is to sell decks, and the ZX9 started being made in 1982, which is the same year the 700zxl ceased production. You'd probably want to say you made the tapes on a machine people could actually buy (for a while), rather than one you're n longer making. Just a guess; maybe someone with more inside knowledge can come up with a more accurate/different scenario.-kby So if you could get these machines with this published spec performance, they are worth provided you play the cassettes recorded in them. But if you want to play all sorts of cassttes do they worth all the effort? One thing baffling me is why Nakamichi used ZX 9 for real time recording of their collector series cassettes while 700 ZXL could have beaten ZX9 in specs? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ckdawson at cableone.net Thu Jun 26 01:41:27 2008 From: ckdawson at cableone.net (Keith Dawson) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:41:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 21 References: <200806231001.m5NA1TUm020338@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <00d401c8d71c$fc904ab0$6401a8c0@dell> Thanks Andy, Ron and Tom for your responses, Much to consider, especially Tom's thought that my CR-7 is right and the others wrong! Guess that the only way to prove this is to have it tested using the calibration tape which leaves me to send it out for some attention that goes beyond my my skill (and nerve) level. I sure appreciate this forum and the knowledge of the members. Thanks again, Keith Dawson Hi Folks, > > I bought a CR-7 about 1 1/2 years ago and have just recently found that > it seems to be running slow. For most of the time I've owned it I have > just played tapes that I had recorded on it and they all seemed fine. I > recently tried to play some tapes that I had recorded on my CR-1 and > another Denon deck that I have and they played noticeably slow on the > CR-7. I also tried a commercially recorded tape and it too played slow. > > What I wanted to ask those of you who may have experience with these > decks is - Do you think the cause may be old dried up lubricant or > something else similar that might be helped by a good cleaning or does it > indicate something more involved? The deck sounds as good as everyone says > they should as long as I play only those tapes that were recorded on it. > The only other thing that I've noticed is that it will not auto-calibrate > SKC type IV tapes that I have. Don't know if it would work with other > brands because those are the only type IV's I have. I'd sure like to be > able to play my tapes on any of the decks I have but if I'm looking at a > complex repair, I'd better start saving up. > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts or observations that fellow owners > of this model or the more technically inclined may offer. From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Jun 26 12:00:36 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 06:00:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl service manual needed, please help! Message-ID: HI Ben and otheres, Do you have a service manual for the 1000zxl in pdf format that you can email me, it will be much appreciated, I need a real good copy as the last one sent to me was a disaster it can hardly be read. I am finally going to repair it this summer vacation. Many Thanks! Ali In a message dated 6/25/2008 1:41:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Hi Bernard, I believe the transports are the same on both the 700 ZXL & 1000 ZXL. One difference is in the Auto Calibration process: the 700 ZXL utilises 3 frequencies while the 1000 ZXL utilises 4. Another would be the level meters which use 30 segments on 700 ZXL and 56 on 1000 ZXL. Other than these I am struggling to find any further non cosmetic differences. I agree with Kannan's comments on the non existance of cosmetic parts and lack of experienced technicians out there who can restore a deck to full working order, but they are out there and the decks are worth the effort. Once running well, they give very few problems. Most electrical parts are available. Replacement motors and parts can be acquired from a number of lower priced spares decks which utilise similar transport parts. The heads were specially selected so may not be replaceable easily. ESL may still be able to fit new heads during an overhaul? I would recommend buying a working deck with no visible head wear and good cosmetics rather than a project deck unless you are brave and lucky. These decks are not often talked about in terms of - are they the best sounding Nak, best made or just best, as this debate has been exhausted. I don't think anyone would disagree however, that these decks are up there with the best Nak's ever produced. Regards, Ben Current Naks: 1000 ZXL Limited / 1000 ZXL x 4 / Dragon / ZX-9 / 682ZX _http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/1000ZXL/_ (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/1000ZXL/) -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Pradie To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 5:36 am Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances Hi, I have read a lot about 1000 ZXL. I saw too discussion about bests naks. But seems between 1000 ZXL, ZX-9, Dragon, CR-7, the 700 ZXL was not frequently mentioned. Does somebody know details differences in components and quality between it and 1000 ZXL. Does some listeners have ear both (or front another top nak ?) What problem to plan for a potential buy of used (unavailable parts ?, frequent disease ?) Thanks you. -- "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! _http://www.naks.com/register_ (http://www.naks.com/register) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _Naktalk at naks.com_ (mailto:Naktalk at naks.com) mailinglist Maintain your account here: _http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk_ (http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk) ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________ _Get the Moviefone Toolbar_ (http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=aolcmp00050000000011) . 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAA5C718301DF3-1220-D3E@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> Hi Ali, The only PDF version I have is the download from www.EBAMAN.com which is generally excellent.  Have a try there.  If you get stuck on any fine detail, I have the original service manual in hard copy but it will be in storage until September.  Good Luck. Ben -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:00 pm Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl service manual needed, please help! HI Ben and otheres,   Do you have a service manual for the 1000zxl in pdf format that you can email me, it will be much appreciated, I need  a real good copy  as the last one sent to me was a disaster it can hardly be read.  I am finally going to repair it this summer vacation. Many Thanks!   Ali In a message dated 6/25/2008 1:41:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Hi Bernard, I believe the transports are the same on both the 700 ZXL & 1000 ZXL. One difference is in the Auto Calibration process: the 700 ZXL utilises 3 frequencies while the 1000 ZXL utilises 4. Another would be the level meters which use 30 segments on 700 ZXL and 56 on 1000 ZXL. Other than these I am struggling to find any further non cosmetic differences. I agree with Kannan's comments on the non existance of cosmetic parts and lack of experienced technicians out there who can restore a deck to full working order, but they are out there and the decks are worth the effort.  Once running well, they give very few problems.  Most electrical parts are available.  Replacement motors and parts can be acquired from a number of lower priced spares decks which utilise similar transport parts.  The heads were specially selected so may not be replaceable easily.  ESL may still be able to fit new heads during an overhaul? I would recommend buying a working deck with no visible head wear and good cosmetics rather than a project deck unless you are brave and lucky. These decks are not often talked about in terms of -  are they the best sounding Nak, best made or just best, as this debate has been exhausted.  I don't think anyone would disagree however, that these decks are up there with the best Nak's ever produced. Regards, Ben Current Naks: 1000 ZXL Limited / 1000 ZXL x 4 / Dragon / ZX-9 / 682ZX http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/1000ZXL/ -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Pradie To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 5:36 am Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances Hi, I have read a lot about 1000 ZXL. saw too discussion about bests naks. But seems between 1000 ZXL, ZX-9, Dragon, CR-7, the 700 ZXL was not frequently entioned. Does somebody know details differences in components and quality between it and 000 ZXL. Does some listeners have ear both (or front another top nak ?) What problem to plan for a potential buy of used (unavailable parts ?, frequent isease ?) Thanks you. - "Rien n'est impossible pour qui n'aurat pas à le faire lui-même" : Le Chef. =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Thu Jun 26 17:40:10 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <212277.21809.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One important fact that comes to my mind, when trying to produce a reference level copies of Master recording the factor to consider will be "wow & flutter" in recordings. ZX 9 would beat 700ZXL/1000ZXL on that count alone!   kannan  --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Kimo B. Yap wrote: From: Kimo B. Yap Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 6:04 PM This is just a guess based on looking at Wouter's timeline and using some knowledge about how companies operate, but I would assume the purpose of making the tapes is to sell decks, and the ZX9 started being made in 1982, which is the same year the 700zxl ceased production. You'd probably want to say you made the tapes on a machine people could actually buy (for a while), rather than one you're n longer making. Just a guess; maybe someone with more inside knowledge can come up with a more accurate/different scenario.-kby So if you could get these machines with this published spec performance, they are worth provided you play the cassettes recorded in them. But if you want to play all sorts of cassttes do they worth all the effort?  One thing baffling me is why Nakamichi used ZX 9 for real time recording  of their collector series cassettes while 700 ZXL could have beaten ZX9 in specs?   ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 22op877 at gmail.com Fri Jun 27 03:14:47 2008 From: 22op877 at gmail.com (Tony White) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:14:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FS: 682zx with full ESL restoration Message-ID: <210302880806261814r4dc5d5bds2db6fdbc3269dc02@mail.gmail.com> I have an ESL restored 682zx with very little use up on sale at ebay for $1150. Ebay item number is: 260256087260. You can go to ebay to see the pictures, but here is the exact auction text: To condense a long story on this 682zx: I purchased in several years ago on ebay; it was an absolutely outstanding example of a 682zx; it has always operated perfectly for me and the previous owner, with never a glitch. I spent a fairly long time in email with the previous owner talking about the deck (and life in general, we sort of became friends for a while); he was a technician who only used it for recording purposes, so that it got very light but consistent use over the years, which is exactly what you would want. I sent the deck into to Electronic Service Labs for a complete, no expense spared, "better-than-new" restoration in March of last year. The cost of the restoration was $1948. I have used it very little since then, just recording about a dozen tapes. For both me and the previous owner, it was our "baby", so it is in outstanding cosmetic condition (which the pictures here unfortuneately do not get accross very well). So basically this is just a fabulous example of the Nakamichi 682zx tape deck, truly as good a one as is ever likely to be sold on ebay. The 682zx model is the top of the 660/670/680/682 line. It's great advantage over the earlier models is that it has adjustable bias and Dolby C. The adjustable bias is especially important, because the earlier 660/670/680 models came out just slightly before the adjustable bias became a "standard" feature on almost all the cassette decks of the time (including the cheapest Nakamichi's if I recall correctly). So that the result is that only the 1000zxl (very nice but large, expensive, finicky, hard to find parts), the ZX-7/9, and the 682zx have adjustable record-head azimuth, level, and bias. (The Dragon/CR-7 do not have adjustable record head aziumth, suprisingly). When you add the well known reliability and smoothness of the 680 line of cassette decks, with their classic mechanisms, to the fully adjustable recording capabilities of the 682zx you get my top favorite of all the Nakamichi decks. In part, the 680 line is my favorite of the Nakamichi decks for smoothness of operation and reliability. It uses the "classic" mechanism, not the more cost consicous Sankyo mechanism of the later decks. Stephen Sank (a top Nakamichi technician, famous and well respected on the NakTalk mailing list) had this to say about the "classic" Nak mechanism: "The Sankyo transport, i.e., CR-7, etc., is a quite well-designed mechanism & quite stable. [but the Sankyo mechanism's weakpoint] is longevity. In my experience, the Sankyo mechanisms eventually reach a point of just plain wearing out. The real Nak transports are 'Energizer bunnies'. With some care, they just keep going, and going..." So I do think from a practical standpoint, the 680 line is the best of the Nakamichi decks to purchase. But my biggest reason for getting the 682zx was the sound quality. I originally started with a very nice example of the CR-7. I liked the deck, it made excellent tapes, but, frankly, I just never loved it; the sound was just too lacking in warmth, and I found it a bit "sterile" and lacking in "musicality" (my apologies to any CR-7 fans reading this). So I purchased a local, heavily used 660zx for $20 to compare against the CR-7; I loved the warm, romantic but still detailed and accurate sound of the 660; everything I felt was missing from the CR-7 sound was instantly fixed with the 660. I then compared the 660 to the ZX-7 and the LX-5. While these were good decks with fine sound, and did not have the "sterile" quality of the CR-7, I just loved the classic Nakamichi warmth of the 680 line. So after researching the issue on line some more -- reading that the Dragon sound was very similar to the CR-7 sound, and figuring out that the 682zx was definitely the best deck in the 680 line due to its adjustable bias and Dolby C -- I decided to wait for a really good example of the 682zx to become available. When it did, I purchased it for $425; in the several years since then, the price of the 680 line has at least doubled, due to buyers "discovering" their high sound quality and reliability. Obviously that's just my opinion of the Nakamichi decks, other people have other favorites, but its a very sincere opinion since that is what I spent my own money on. And many other people share that opinion. Here is what the Nakamichi expert at the Sonic Sense Nakamichi FAQ website had to say about the 680 line, while discussing he favorite Nak decks: "Q: How do later Nakamichi decks compare to earlier models? A: Nakamichi is still a good brand but they have buckled to the call of quantity sales. Their earlier models are considerably different than the recent decks. There is what is known as, by analog lovers, the classic Nak warmth. Newer decks just don't sound quite like the earlier models. Even though, as you have heard/read, they still surpass anything else on the market. [and] ... My lead technician would not forgive me if I didn't mention the little tingle he gets from the 680 series. They were the epitome of Nakamichi. For years, Nak worked to perfect the classic transport. By the time the 680's were made, all the details were ironed out. Tremendous warmth with total reliability." The 682zx deck was operating perfectly when I sent to ES Labs for a complete overhaul restoration; I just wanted to get the deck into the top condition before making recordings. Electronic Service Labs is the best possible place to send a Nakamichi cassette deck for restoration; at one point, they purchased the entire Nakamichi parts inventory; they have a reputation for being expensive, but being excellent at what they do. Here is how ESL describes their complete restoration process: "Included in an overhaul restoration is a thorough cleaning, demagnetizing, relubrication and much more. We clean and relubricate the controls, switches and plug-in contacts. The heads, axels, shafts and bronze bearings are relapped, polished, resurfaced or replaced as necessary along with other worn, defective and known to fail parts. Only original replacement parts or an improved version are installed including washers, springs, bushings, lamps and other parts not likely stocked by anyone else. Many of these routinely installed parts are often not listed on the service invoice. We custom design modifications for each channel's record and playback frequency response equalization circuits, as necessary, to adhere to the exact pre-emphasis and de-emphasis curves as specified by Nakamichi to obtain optimum performance. A precision alignment and tweaking of the transport and electronics is critical so as to meet or exceed the Nakamichi factory specifications and to ensure peak performance with continued reliability. We have faith in our craftsmanship. Unless abused or otherwise stated on paid invoices, completely restored units include a 2 YEAR warranty on the parts installed and the work performed. Servicing Nakamichi cassette decks is not just our job, it's a serious commitment to excellence. Most other servicers just do the fix and make it work the best they know how. This will work for a while but not for long and certainly not perfectly. Taking into consideration that the age of most classic Nakamichi cassette decks are10 to 25 years old, we would rather NOT do "band-aid" or partial service unless the customer insists. If you wish, we can do less for less but you get your money's worth for best. The rubber parts are most likely are dried-out, worn or stretched and need to be replaced, not refurbished. Our goal is to RESTORE each machine to "better than new working condition" and ensure renewed proper performance with continued reliability for another lifetime. We don't profess to be the cheapest, we profess to be the best. The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of a low price! You won't find a customer dissatisfied or disappointed with the performance of their Nakamichi deck after our experts perform an overhaul restoration. It's not magic, it's expertise!" So that's the story on this Nakamichi 682zx. I am only selling it for personal-financial reasons and have priced it aggressively low to sell quickly. If you are in the market for a 682zx, I wouldn't pass on this one; its very unlikely you'll ever see one this good on ebay again, especially at anything like this price. An original owners manual and high quality reproduction of the service manual are included, as seen in the pictures. I will pack it very well with full insurance for shipping. I would prefer to sell in the continental U.S., but if it doesn't sell in the U.S., I will ship internationally. From kearica at aol.com Fri Jun 27 06:38:50 2008 From: kearica at aol.com (kearica at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 04:38:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <00d401c8d71c$fc904ab0$6401a8c0@dell> References: <200806231001.m5NA1TUm020338@zxe.naks.com><00d401c8d71c$fc904ab0$6401a8c0@dell> Message-ID: <934123163-1214541655-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1847035632-@bxe182.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> My deck when playing pre recorded tapes must have azimith far right to have any highs. Problem????? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "Keith Dawson" Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:41:27 To: Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 21 Thanks Andy, Ron and Tom for your responses, Much to consider, especially Tom's thought that my CR-7 is right and the others wrong! Guess that the only way to prove this is to have it tested using the calibration tape which leaves me to send it out for some attention that goes beyond my my skill (and nerve) level. I sure appreciate this forum and the knowledge of the members. Thanks again, Keith Dawson Hi Folks, > > I bought a CR-7 about 1 1/2 years ago and have just recently found that > it seems to be running slow. For most of the time I've owned it I have > just played tapes that I had recorded on it and they all seemed fine. I > recently tried to play some tapes that I had recorded on my CR-1 and > another Denon deck that I have and they played noticeably slow on the > CR-7. I also tried a commercially recorded tape and it too played slow. > > What I wanted to ask those of you who may have experience with these > decks is - Do you think the cause may be old dried up lubricant or > something else similar that might be helped by a good cleaning or does it > indicate something more involved? The deck sounds as good as everyone says > they should as long as I play only those tapes that were recorded on it. > The only other thing that I've noticed is that it will not auto-calibrate > SKC type IV tapes that I have. Don't know if it would work with other > brands because those are the only type IV's I have. I'd sure like to be > able to play my tapes on any of the decks I have but if I'm looking at a > complex repair, I'd better start saving up. > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts or observations that fellow owners > of this model or the more technically inclined may offer. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 27 13:31:30 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 04:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FS: 682zx with full ESL restoration In-Reply-To: <210302880806261814r4dc5d5bds2db6fdbc3269dc02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <426677.3552.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tony, I agree 100% with your statement on the 680 series decks and the service provided by ESL. I had a 680Zx which went to a repair shop here in the US and came back supposedly "fixed" last year. It seemed to work fine but as I got to learn Naks, my curiosity made me observe the mechanism work and to my horror I found that the deck had its left( supply) pinch roller completely disengaged from the capstan. In essence, it was a single capstan deck! Yet until I realized this I enjoyed the decks warm superb sound and used it for half speed recordings of music that had not much highs( Ods Hindi recordings of the 40s.50s etc..) I was the one that always argued in 2006 that ESL was ridiculously priced and all,, not knowing what really goes into their restoration. After several sour experiences this 680ZX was sent to ESL last February for a complete over all, "better than new" service. It was pricey alright at $2500(per Jeff's estimate) On Wednesday Jeff delivered the deck to me after the restoration with his 2 year warranty and I have to relate to you the metamorphosis of this deck into an unbelievable machine. The 680zx sounds very clean, warm and has an authoritative bass and a superbly executed sound stage that I never thought was possible in this series of decks. This deck is now my  second most favorite decks after the 1000ZXL Limited and is second by only a very small margin. The Dragon, Cr7A/E, ZX9 all sound superb, but all three of these do not have the warm, smooth bass of the 680 series by a long shot. This is true even for tapes recorded on other machines and prerecorded tapes! Please do not misunderstand me, but even with a belt driven high theoretically relative  w/f numbers, the 680zx produces sound that is extremely warm and has so much information, it has to be heard to be believed. Coming from a machine that is a third in size is even more astounding. I am not putting down the Dragons, CR7s or ZX9 decks. I am just stating my subjective opinion comparing these side by side. The Dragon , CR7 and ZX9 were later decks and Nak perhaps made these to compete with CD sound and therefore made them CD sounding ( digital harshness???if you will)  I wish I could buy your 682ZX but I have too many already and now its time to do some downsizing, but I wish it gets a good home here amongst our group. In closing, ESL is  the best place if money is no object in a Nak restoration. Jeff is a very pleasant businessman and very courteous and always reachable, approachable. Service is par none. Hats off! 'Tis truly said,"you get what you pay for". Good luck with your sale friend. Regards, Ram --- On Thu, 6/26/08, Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> wrote: From: Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> Subject: [naktalk] FS: 682zx with full ESL restoration To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 9:14 PM I have an ESL restored 682zx with very little use up on sale at ebay for $1150. Ebay item number is: 260256087260. You can go to ebay to see the pictures, but here is the exact auction text: To condense a long story on this 682zx: I purchased in several years ago on ebay; it was an absolutely outstanding example of a 682zx; it has always operated perfectly for me and the previous owner, with never a glitch. I spent a fairly long time in email with the previous owner talking about the deck (and life in general, we sort of became friends for a while); he was a technician who only used it for recording purposes, so that it got very light but consistent use over the years, which is exactly what you would want. I sent the deck into to Electronic Service Labs for a complete, no expense spared, "better-than-new" restoration in March of last year. The cost of the restoration was $1948. I have used it very little since then, just recording about a dozen tapes. For both me and the previous owner, it was our "baby", so it is in outstanding cosmetic condition (which the pictures here unfortuneately do not get accross very well). So basically this is just a fabulous example of the Nakamichi 682zx tape deck, truly as good a one as is ever likely to be sold on ebay. The 682zx model is the top of the 660/670/680/682 line. It's great advantage over the earlier models is that it has adjustable bias and Dolby C. The adjustable bias is especially important, because the earlier 660/670/680 models came out just slightly before the adjustable bias became a "standard" feature on almost all the cassette decks of the time (including the cheapest Nakamichi's if I recall correctly). So that the result is that only the 1000zxl (very nice but large, expensive, finicky, hard to find parts), the ZX-7/9, and the 682zx have adjustable record-head azimuth, level, and bias. (The Dragon/CR-7 do not have adjustable record head aziumth, suprisingly). When you add the well known reliability and smoothness of the 680 line of cassette decks, with their classic mechanisms, to the fully adjustable recording capabilities of the 682zx you get my top favorite of all the Nakamichi decks. ----------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 27 14:52:42 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:52:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <934123163-1214541655-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1847035632-@bxe182.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <200806231001.m5NA1TUm020338@zxe.naks.com><00d401c8d71c$fc904ab0$6401a8c0@dell> <934123163-1214541655-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1847035632-@bxe182.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4864E29A.3040903@rcn.com> You didn't say which model. In general, first thing to check would be the prerecorded tapes themselves. Do they all require the same extreme position? Do they play with good highs on other decks? If you have a known good 15KHz alignment tape, it will come in handy. Second thing would be the REC and PB heads azimuth in REC mode. Third thing would be the mechanical azimuth adjustment linkage in PB mode. Specifically for the CR-7: check to see whether you get exactly 32 clicks (remove door and listen closely, with an ear glued to the deck front panel) as you turn the azimuth adjustment, lock to lock, and that the PB head actually moves a tiny amount with each click. If not, the problem could be electronic. -- Ron kearica at aol.com wrote: > My deck when playing pre recorded tapes must have azimith far right to have any highs. Problem????? > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Keith Dawson" > > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:41:27 > To: > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 21 > > > Thanks Andy, Ron and Tom for your responses, > > Much to consider, especially Tom's thought that my CR-7 is right and the > others wrong! Guess that the only way to prove this is to have it tested > using the calibration tape which leaves me to send it out for some attention > that goes beyond my my skill (and nerve) level. I sure appreciate this forum > and the knowledge of the members. > > Thanks again, > > Keith Dawson > > Hi Folks, > >> I bought a CR-7 about 1 1/2 years ago and have just recently found that >> it seems to be running slow. For most of the time I've owned it I have >> just played tapes that I had recorded on it and they all seemed fine. I >> recently tried to play some tapes that I had recorded on my CR-1 and >> another Denon deck that I have and they played noticeably slow on the >> CR-7. I also tried a commercially recorded tape and it too played slow. >> >> What I wanted to ask those of you who may have experience with these >> decks is - Do you think the cause may be old dried up lubricant or >> something else similar that might be helped by a good cleaning or does it >> indicate something more involved? The deck sounds as good as everyone says >> they should as long as I play only those tapes that were recorded on it. >> The only other thing that I've noticed is that it will not auto-calibrate >> SKC type IV tapes that I have. Don't know if it would work with other >> brands because those are the only type IV's I have. I'd sure like to be >> able to play my tapes on any of the decks I have but if I'm looking at a >> complex repair, I'd better start saving up. >> >> Thanks in advance for any thoughts or observations that fellow owners >> of this model or the more technically inclined may offer. >> From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Jun 27 22:32:49 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:32:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AAAAAHHH! I CAN'T STAND IT! In-Reply-To: <062420081316.25202.4860F3C60002D7B60000627222147564029C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <062420081316.25202.4860F3C60002D7B60000627222147564029C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0A30AC32-9D34-456A-A24C-94A6BE1B3064@kvglabs.com> Hey Andy, I had a good laugh from your comment. Oh, I am so sympathetic with your feelings! My girlfriend asked me why anyone would spend so much money on stereos when an MP3 player "does the same thing." So, I asked her to bring her favorite album over the next night. After hearing Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" and "Tusk", followed by Dave Mason's "Alone Together" on my D-61E loudspeakers, played on a Yamaha YP-D3 with AKG P7E boxcar, amplified by a pair of prototype monoblock amplifiers and matching phono preamp, she now wants a fine quality stereo -- especially after hearing how good the cassette copy I made on my Nakamichi 600 sounded. I'm going to giver her one of my turntables (I really don't need seven turntables), then build her a mini-Williamson amp (12AX7 and 35L6 beam tetrode outputs) and a pair of small "headboard-sized" speakers with "cat-proof grilles" (probably a leftover 5-inch Silver Flute woofer and my T2SE-bis rubberized-silk dome tweeter). When I was learning recording, the older engineers constantly complained that there was no hope because "the kids" were accustomed to the tinny sound of pocket transistor radios, which had ruined their perception of great sound. I was one of those kids, and I did have a pocket transistor radio (who didn't?), but I hated its sound. At home I preferred my Zenith Transoceanic for listening to AM (medium wave) and shortwave. Okay, still not Hi-Fi but a nice tone nonetheless. Let's face it, high quality audio equipment has always been a small but dedicated niche market. I've often compared audiophiles to wine connoisseurs. Most persons are content with "cheap-rotgut-wine- quality" audio, and few of us have the discernment or appreciation to desire higher-end stereos. It's the ago old quality-versus-quantity debate. Nevertheless, I've found that if you expose people who are accustomed only to awful-sounding audio gear to your high quality hi-fi, most will enjoy and and many will begin to seek ,the same quality for themselvs, as least as far as their income allows. you can use an ipod as a great way to introduce people to fine audio. Take heart! On Jun 24, 2008, at 8:16 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > Oh, how I HATE what the iPod and Surround Sound have done to > people's perception of what "hi fi" is!!! > > Read the item description: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-2A-Tape-Cassette-Deck_W0QQitemZ220249786980QQihZ012QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > *andy* > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Jun 27 22:39:19 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:39:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Ultimate Nakamichi Accessory! In-Reply-To: <061620081326.5543.485669FA0000615E000015A722155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <061620081326.5543.485669FA0000615E000015A722155558849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Wonderful! I love it! No idea whether the music is any good but anyone who has the vision to release their music on analog, especially analog recorded on a Nakamichi recorder, has my full support. I have been hoping to encourage a movement of indie bands who release their music on analog cassette or short-run LPs. Occasionally, I'll find a band who is and I enjoy helping them get the most out of their analog, particularly if the equipment isn't "studio" gear -- nothing is more fun than making an truly audiophile quality recording sing ordinary analog equipment and careful recording technique. One of my behind-the-scenes "black projects" is that I have been creating a recording co-op of analog-equipped indie bands and musicians, helping to equip and train them to make audiophile quality recordings with home-quality equipment, so that we can give the Big Labels a run for their money. It's a longstanding passion of mine. Very fun! On Jun 16, 2008, at 8:26 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > I gotta tell you, I am intrigued by this one! > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/TapeNoise-dextape-nakamichi-recorded_W0QQitemZ280237065639QQihZ018QQcategoryZ1600QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > *andy* > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Jun 27 22:39:50 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:39:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Home-brew magnetic developer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0E3F831B-93C2-4E45-AAFD-FA28C5F56A63@kvglabs.com> Hi Gennady, I'd like to know how you made you Magview-clone? On Jun 15, 2008, at 7:57 PM, guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz wrote: > > Hello from NZ! > > I don’t have the DA09007B 1 kHz Track Alignment tape. In this > situation the only way to align my decks is optical measurements > using the Meopta micrometer microscope and some magnetic field > developer. > This weekend I made this developer using the rest of my chemical > knowledge. > All “reactions” went right way and finally I’ve got it. The first > test of developer on the tape recorded on my N-480 showed > misalignment. The distance between Right channel tracks across the > tape centre should be 0.65 +/- 0.1 mm. I measured 0.771 mm. Now I > know what to do! > I’ve got the microscope pictures if any one interested > > Cheers, > Gennady > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Try this > link and enter the info for freq, type of feed line, length of run > etc. > http://www.ocarc.ca/coax.htm Bob N > > Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi(gh) Bob, > > I made my yagi from a dipole, of course, with four directors, and > hand tweaked the bandwidth to be peak between 80 Megacycles and 100 > Megacycles. It ended up being between a yagi-uda and a log-periodic. > My receiver has a 75 Ohm input, so I made the antenna 75 Ohms > characteristic impedance with RG9 coax running to the receiver, > eliminating the need for any matching network. I'm no expert in > antenna design so it was a frustrating project getting it to work > properly. > > On Jun 4, 2008, at 11:41 AM, Bob Naylor wrote: -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Jun 27 22:44:24 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:44:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 In-Reply-To: <7099392.1213109576583.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7099392.1213109576583.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <849E68D4-6907-4F98-9A56-35EDF47E4487@kvglabs.com> Hi Tom, On Jun 10, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Most of my recording was with a flown Neumann stereo mic configured > in M(id)S(ide). We had an MS matrix control which would allow us to > vary the M mid mono essentially and S side stereo balance. In a > small hall I rarely changed settings, but on a large stage with a > small ensemble this type of control was very useful. The only caveat > was our monitor system failed to image well (ADS810 as a nearfield > monitor?!) > If you have the opportunity to try MS micing do so as it creates > flexibility...and saves having to fiddle with mic placement! > > tom brucker > M/S is wonderful -- you can process the side signal separately from the mid signal (and vice versa) to achieve some interesting effects. When I did my few M/S recordings, I used a Beyerdynamic M130 ribbon for the side mike and a Beyerdynamic M160 ribbon for the middle mike with a custom-made transformer for the matrix. Fantastic sound and i didn't have to hassle with powering the mikes. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Jun 27 22:58:14 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:58:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 In-Reply-To: <75275.9164.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <75275.9164.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ram, On Jun 8, 2008, at 9:12 AM, shanti ramachandran wrote: > Gra, > > That recordings of today are not made well is obvious, when one > listens to modern CD recordings, where they( the recording gurus-not > engineers) limit the lows and highs and increase volume( gain?) so > the CD sounds unreasonably loud. Unfortunately, for some, louder is > perceived as better! > > What a shame. > > Actually, the over-compression of recording has ben going on since the 1970s. It began because louder records were thought to sound better on the radio, so too-many recordists began a "loudness race" to beat each other when the record s broadcast. Ironically, an overly-compressed recording sounds thin and weaker on the radio than a recording that has wide dynamic range! Overdoing compression is the #1 Error that recordists make, I think. This is one reason that anyone can equal or beat "Big Label" recordings using a good quality stereo cassette deck -- position good mikes to achieve a proper balance among the instruments and use no compression, and you'll beat the compressed-to-death "professional" recordings every time, regardless of the quality of the equipment the "pro" uses. By the way, top pros know to use compression an dlimiting sparingly, if at all. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Jun 27 23:06:18 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:06:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: David Beatty In-Reply-To: <061520081310.21109.485514C90008C0030000527522155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <061520081310.21109.485514C90008C0030000527522155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Andy, Yes, that was one of the special touches David Beatty did for his customer.s After he sold the business, the new owners kept putting on the little David Beatty Stereo plaques, but didn't personalize the plaques. My understanding was that David Beatty had contracted terminal cancer and simply didn't want to suffer the final stages of it. I've heard rumors he was depressed because supposedly he was cheated by the person who bought the business but I do not believe it. I met the guy who bough his business and he was a stand-up guy. Also, David Beatty wasn't the sort to be depressed and he did quite well financially from the sale of the business he had done so well to build up. He was the first to sell Nakamichi in the Kanas city area, along with many other highest-quality brands; furthermore he sold pro recording equipment to anyone who wanted, pro or not. David Beatty himself was at the beginning of the hi-fi market's rise, and was personal friends with audio legends like James B. Lansing, Roy Allison, Jon Dahlquist, S. N. Shure, Joe Grado, Rudy Bozak, Paul Klipsch and many others. His death was a real loss to the audio community. On Jun 15, 2008, at 8:10 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > Kermit wrote: > > "In the 1970s, we here in Kansas city had a wonderful Nakamichi > dealer, > David Beatty's Stereo who sometimes had the Nakamichi speakers on > display........." > > > Hi, Kermit: > > I recently bought a combined lot of three pieces of audio gear on > eBay, two of which have a little metal David Beatty plaque attached > to them. > > One of the pieces in the lot I bought was a *MINT* 680ZX--not > working, but I know exactly what's wrong and how to fix it--on the > left side of the deck, there is a little metal plaque that says "for > R N by David Beatty". Did he personalize the plaque with the > customer's initials? Very cool! > > I read that Mr. Beatty eventually committed suicide. Is this true? > It's very sad if it is. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From kearica at aol.com Fri Jun 27 17:02:15 2008 From: kearica at aol.com (kearica at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:02:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 21 In-Reply-To: <4864E29A.3040903@rcn.com> References: <200806231001.m5NA1TUm020338@zxe.naks.com><00d401c8d71c$fc904ab0$6401a8c0@dell><934123163-1214541655-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1847035632-@bxe182.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><4864E29A.3040903@rcn.com> Message-ID: <1563606031-1214579079-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1207147901-@bxe182.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Ron, thanks for info. It is cr7a. Noticed after idler cam replaced. Also noticed more excessive tape on take up reel after stopping from for or rev. Ï was told by Shop heads adj for newer tapes. Help!!!! Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Ron Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:52:42 To:Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 21 You didn't say which model. In general, first thing to check would be the prerecorded tapes themselves. Do they all require the same extreme position? Do they play with good highs on other decks? If you have a known good 15KHz alignment tape, it will come in handy. Second thing would be the REC and PB heads azimuth in REC mode. Third thing would be the mechanical azimuth adjustment linkage in PB mode. Specifically for the CR-7: check to see whether you get exactly 32 clicks (remove door and listen closely, with an ear glued to the deck front panel) as you turn the azimuth adjustment, lock to lock, and that the PB head actually moves a tiny amount with each click. If not, the problem could be electronic. -- Ron kearica at aol.com wrote: > My deck when playing pre recorded tapes must have azimith far right to have any highs. Problem????? > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Keith Dawson" > > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:41:27 > To: > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 21 > > > Thanks Andy, Ron and Tom for your responses, > > Much to consider, especially Tom's thought that my CR-7 is right and the > others wrong! Guess that the only way to prove this is to have it tested > using the calibration tape which leaves me to send it out for some attention > that goes beyond my my skill (and nerve) level. I sure appreciate this forum > and the knowledge of the members. > > Thanks again, > > Keith Dawson > > Hi Folks, > >> I bought a CR-7 about 1 1/2 years ago and have just recently found that >> it seems to be running slow. For most of the time I've owned it I have >> just played tapes that I had recorded on it and they all seemed fine. I >> recently tried to play some tapes that I had recorded on my CR-1 and >> another Denon deck that I have and they played noticeably slow on the >> CR-7. I also tried a commercially recorded tape and it too played slow. >> >> What I wanted to ask those of you who may have experience with these >> decks is - Do you think the cause may be old dried up lubricant or >> something else similar that might be helped by a good cleaning or does it >> indicate something more involved? The deck sounds as good as everyone says >> they should as long as I play only those tapes that were recorded on it. >> The only other thing that I've noticed is that it will not auto-calibrate >> SKC type IV tapes that I have. Don't know if it would work with other >> brands because those are the only type IV's I have. I'd sure like to be >> able to play my tapes on any of the decks I have but if I'm looking at a >> complex repair, I'd better start saving up. >> >> Thanks in advance for any thoughts or observations that fellow owners >> of this model or the more technically inclined may offer. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From benstratford at aol.co.uk Fri Jun 27 19:35:25 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:35:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FS: 682zx with full ESL restoration In-Reply-To: <426677.3552.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CAA6935085DA71-D60-1C2C@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> Ram, Thanks for your description of the -----Original Message----- From: shanti ramachandran To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:31 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] FS: 682zx with full ESL restoration Tony, I agree 100% with your statement on the 680 series decks and the service provided by ESL. I had a 680Zx which went to a repair shop here in the US and came back supposedly "fixed" last year. It seemed to work fine but as I got to learn Naks, my curiosity made me observe the mechanism work and to my horror I found that the deck had its left( supply) pinch roller completely disengaged from the capstan. In essence, it was a single capstan deck! Yet until I realized this I enjoyed the decks warm superb sound and used it for half speed recordings of music that had not much highs( Ods Hindi recordings of the 40s.50s etc..) I was the one that always argued in 2006 that ESL was ridiculously priced and all,, not knowing what really goes into their restoration. After several sour experiences this 680ZX was sent to ESL last February for a complete over all, "better than new" service. It was pricey alright at $2500(per Jeff's estimate) On Wednesday Jeff delivered the deck to me after the restoration with his 2 year warranty and I have to relate to you the metamorphosis of this deck into an unbelievable machine. The 680zx sounds very clean, warm and has an authoritative bass and a superbly executed sound stage that I never thought was possible in this series of decks. This deck is now my? second most favorite decks after the 1000ZXL Limited and is second by only a very small margin. The Dragon, Cr7A/E, ZX9 all sound superb, but all three of these do not have the warm, smooth bass of the 680 series by a long shot. This is true even for tapes recorded on other machines and prerecorded tapes! Please do not misunderstand me, but even with a belt driven high theoretically relative? w/f numbers, the 680zx produces sound that is extremely warm and has so much information, it has to be heard to be believed. Coming from a machine that is a third in size is even more astounding. I am not putting down the Dragons, CR7s or ZX9 decks. I am just stating my subjective opinion comparing these side by side. The Dragon , CR7 and ZX9 were later decks and Nak perhaps made these to compete with CD sound and therefore made them CD sounding ( digital harshness???if you will)? I wish I could buy your 682ZX but I have too many already and now its time to do some downsizing, but I wish it gets a good home here amongst our group. In closing, ESL is? the best place if money is no object in a Nak restoration. Jeff is a very pleasant businessman and very courteous and always reachable, approachable. Service is par none. Hats off! 'Tis truly said,"you get what you pay for". Good luck with your sale friend. Regards, Ram --- On Thu, 6/26/08, Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> wrote: From: Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> Subject: [naktalk] FS: 682zx with full ESL restoration To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 9:14 PM I have an ESL restored 682zx with very little use up on sale at ebay for $1150. Ebay item number is: 260256087260. You can go to ebay to see the pictures, but here is the exact auction text: To condense a long story on this 682zx: I purchased in several years ago on ebay; it was an absolutely outstanding example of a 682zx; it has always operated perfectly for me and the previous owner, with never a glitch. I spent a fairly long time in email with the previous owner talking about the deck (and life in general, we sort of became friends for a while); he was a technician who only used it for recording purposes, so that it got very light but consistent use over the years, which is exactly what you would want. I sent the deck into to Electronic Service Labs for a complete, no expense spared, "better-than-new" restoration in March of last year. The cost of the restoration was $1948. I have used it very little since then, just recording about a dozen tapes. For both me and the previous owner, it was our "baby", so it is in outstanding cosmetic condition (which the pictures here unfortuneately do not get accross very well). So basically this is just a fabulous example of the Nakamichi 682zx tape deck, truly as good a one as is ever likely to be sold on ebay. The 682zx model is the top of the 660/670/680/682 line. It's great advantage over the earlier models is that it has adjustable bias and Dolby C. The adjustable bias is especially important, because the earlier 660/670/680 models came out just slightly before the adjustable bias became a "standard" feature on almost all the cassette decks of the time (including the cheapest Nakamichi's if I recall correctly). So that the result is that only the 1000zxl (very nice but large, expensive, finicky, hard to find parts), the ZX-7/9, and the 682zx have adjustable record-head azimuth, level, and bias. (The Dragon/CR-7 do not have adjustable record head aziumth, suprisingly). When you add the well known reliability and smoothness of the 680 line of cassette decks, with their classic mechanisms, to the fully adjustable recording capabilities of the 682zx you get my top favorite of all the Nakamichi decks. ----------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It seemed to work fine but as I got to learn Naks, my curiosity made me observe the mechanism work and to my horror I found that the deck had its left( supply) pinch roller completely disengaged from the capstan. In essence, it was a single capstan deck! Yet until I realized this I enjoyed the decks warm superb sound and used it for half speed recordings of music that had not much highs( Ods Hindi recordings of the 40s.50s etc..) I was the one that always argued in 2006 that ESL was ridiculously priced and all,, not knowing what really goes into their restoration. After several sour experiences this 680ZX was sent to ESL last February for a complete over all, "better than new" service. It was pricey alright at $2500(per Jeff's estimate) On Wednesday Jeff delivered the deck to me after the restoration with his 2 year warranty and I have to relate to you the metamorphosis of this deck into an unbelievable machine. The 680zx sounds very clean, warm and has an authoritative bass and a superbly executed sound stage that I never thought was possible in this series of decks. This deck is now my? second most favorite decks after the 1000ZXL Limited and is second by only a very small margin. The Dragon, Cr7A/E, ZX9 all sound superb, but all three of these do not have the warm, smooth bass of the 680 series by a long shot. This is true even for tapes recorded on other machines and prerecorded tapes! Please do not misunderstand me, but even with a belt driven high theoretically relative? w/f numbers, the 680zx produces sound that is extremely warm and has so much information, it has to be heard to be believed. Coming from a machine that is a third in size is even more astounding. I am not putting down the Dragons, CR7s or ZX9 decks. I am just stating my subjective opinion comparing these side by side. The Dragon , CR7 and ZX9 were later decks and Nak perhaps made these to compete with CD sound and therefore made them CD sounding ( digital harshness???if you will)? I wish I could buy your 682ZX but I have too many already and now its time to do some downsizing, but I wish it gets a good home here amongst our group. In closing, ESL is? the best place if money is no object in a Nak restoration. Jeff is a very pleasant businessman and very courteous and always reachable, approachable. Service is par none. Hats off! 'Tis truly said,"you get what you pay for". Good luck with your sale friend. Regards, Ram --- On Thu, 6/26/08, Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> wrote: From: Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> Subject: [naktalk] FS: 682zx with full ESL restoration To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 9:14 PM I have an ESL restored 682zx with very little use up on sale at ebay for $1150. Ebay item number is: 260256087260. You can go to ebay to see the pictures, but here is the exact auction text: To condense a long story on this 682zx: I purchased in several years ago on ebay; it was an absolutely outstanding example of a 682zx; it has always operated perfectly for me and the previous owner, with never a glitch. I spent a fairly long time in email with the previous owner talking about the deck (and life in general, we sort of became friends for a while); he was a technician who only used it for recording purposes, so that it got very light but consistent use over the years, which is exactly what you would want. I sent the deck into to Electronic Service Labs for a complete, no expense spared, "better-than-new" restoration in March of last year. The cost of the restoration was $1948. I have used it very little since then, just recording about a dozen tapes. For both me and the previous owner, it was our "baby", so it is in outstanding cosmetic condition (which the pictures here unfortuneately do not get accross very well). So basically this is just a fabulous example of the Nakamichi 682zx tape deck, truly as good a one as is ever likely to be sold on ebay. The 682zx model is the top of the 660/670/680/682 line. It's great advantage over the earlier models is that it has adjustable bias and Dolby C. The adjustable bias is especially important, because the earlier 660/670/680 models came out just slightly before the adjustable bias became a "standard" feature on almost all the cassette decks of the time (including the cheapest Nakamichi's if I recall correctly). So that the result is that only the 1000zxl (very nice but large, expensive, finicky, hard to find parts), the ZX-7/9, and the 682zx have adjustable record-head azimuth, level, and bias. (The Dragon/CR-7 do not have adjustable record head aziumth, suprisingly). When you add the well known reliability and smoothness of the 680 line of cassette decks, with their classic mechanisms, to the fully adjustable recording capabilities of the 682zx you get my top favorite of all the Nakamichi decks. ----------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sat Jun 28 00:18:54 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:18:54 EDT Subject: [naktalk] AAAAAHHH! I CAN'T STAND IT! Message-ID: Hi kermit, I have electro voice 911 mercury vintage microphone its looks high quality , I dont know what kind of element is inside it, is it any good?! what your take on this mic if you are familiar with it . I havent used it yet, just came across it a sale. Thanks! Ali In a message dated 6/27/2008 4:37:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: Hey Andy, I had a good laugh from your comment. Oh, I am so sympathetic with your feelings! My girlfriend asked me why anyone would spend so much money on stereos when an MP3 player "does the same thing." So, I asked her to bring her favorite album over the next night. After hearing Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours" and "Tusk", followed by Dave Mason's "Alone Together" on my D-61E loudspeakers, played on a Yamaha YP-D3 with AKG P7E boxcar, amplified by a pair of prototype monoblock amplifiers and matching phono preamp, she now wants a fine quality stereo -- especially after hearing how good the cassette copy I made on my Nakamichi 600 sounded. I'm going to giver her one of my turntables (I really don't need seven turntables), then build her a mini-Williamson amp (12AX7 and 35L6 beam tetrode outputs) and a pair of small "headboard-sized" speakers with "cat-proof grilles" (probably a leftover 5-inch Silver Flute woofer and my T2SE-bis rubberized-silk dome tweeter). When I was learning recording, the older engineers constantly complained that there was no hope because "the kids" were accustomed to the tinny sound of pocket transistor radios, which had ruined their perception of great sound. I was one of those kids, and I did have a pocket transistor radio (who didn't?), but I hated its sound. At home I preferred my Zenith Transoceanic for listening to AM (medium wave) and shortwave. Okay, still not Hi-Fi but a nice tone nonetheless. Let's face it, high quality audio equipment has always been a small but dedicated niche market. I've often compared audiophiles to wine connoisseurs. Most persons are content with "cheap-rotgut-wine- quality" audio, and few of us have the discernment or appreciation to desire higher-end stereos. It's the ago old quality-versus-quantity debate. Nevertheless, I've found that if you expose people who are accustomed only to awful-sounding audio gear to your high quality hi-fi, most will enjoy and and many will begin to seek ,the same quality for themselvs, as least as far as their income allows. you can use an ipod as a great way to introduce people to fine audio. Take heart! On Jun 24, 2008, at 8:16 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > Oh, how I HATE what the iPod and Surround Sound have done to > people's perception of what "hi fi" is!!! > > Read the item description: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-2A-Tape-Cassette-Deck_W0QQitemZ220249786980QQihZ012QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > *andy* > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sat Jun 28 00:27:34 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:27:34 EDT Subject: [naktalk] The Ultimate Nakamichi Accessory! Message-ID: Hi Kermit, Recently I went to a sale where they had complete drum set for sale just out of curiousity I decided just to give them a try to see what real instruements sound like in person , one testing of cymbals and banging the drum with a stick produced a sound that made me think! that there is no way! any hi-fi audio equipment no matter how good it is can EVER! produce the echo , decay and sheer dynamics of the real instruement heard inperson. It probably will require thousands and thousands of watts of power and massive woofers to reproduce the kind of sound you hear from the real musical instruments, what is your take on this? Thanks! Ali In a message dated 6/27/2008 4:41:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: Wonderful! I love it! No idea whether the music is any good but anyone who has the vision to release their music on analog, especially analog recorded on a Nakamichi recorder, has my full support. I have been hoping to encourage a movement of indie bands who release their music on analog cassette or short-run LPs. Occasionally, I'll find a band who is and I enjoy helping them get the most out of their analog, particularly if the equipment isn't "studio" gear -- nothing is more fun than making an truly audiophile quality recording sing ordinary analog equipment and careful recording technique. One of my behind-the-scenes "black projects" is that I have been creating a recording co-op of analog-equipped indie bands and musicians, helping to equip and train them to make audiophile quality recordings with home-quality equipment, so that we can give the Big Labels a run for their money. It's a longstanding passion of mine. Very fun! On Jun 16, 2008, at 8:26 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > I gotta tell you, I am intrigued by this one! > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/TapeNoise-dextape-nakamichi-recorded_W0QQitemZ280237065639QQihZ018QQcategoryZ1600QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > *andy* > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertweber at telus.net Sat Jun 28 19:57:07 2008 From: robertweber at telus.net (ROBERT WEBER) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:57:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Message-ID: <4B92E2B1-30FB-4D7D-9ACE-0D936C01697D@telus.net> Thanks for all the help in unsticking the CR-7. However, now there is another problem. The unit plays fine for about 45 minutes. Then the speed slows down making the music sound weird. Then it speeds up again to normal speed. Does anyone know what that is all about? By the way, the idler tension is quite week and has never been changed to a gear drive. Thank you so much. From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Jun 28 21:18:25 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:18:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AAAAAHHH! I CAN'T STAND IT! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ali, On Jun 27, 2008, at 5:18 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi kermit, I have electro voice 911 mercury vintage microphone its > looks high quality , I dont know what kind of element is inside it, > is it any good?! what your take on this mic if you are familiar with > it . I havent used it yet, just came across it a sale. Thanks! > > Ali > The ElectroVoice Mercury 911 is an omnidirectional crystal mike, having a high impedance output. Frequency response is 50 - 9,000 cps for early production, 50 - 10,000 cps for late production examples. They're popular today for recording harmonica, or for 'lo-fi"-style hard rock vocals and screaming lead guitar solos (again, with a lo-fi sound). The 911 is one of the better-sounding crystal mikes, although all crystal mikes overload easily with very loud sounds, and tend to be harsh sounding overall. An overlooked but excellent use of the 911 is to record quiet environmental sounds, like night insect sounds, crickets, the distant sound of the wind blowing through the trees, and so on. I had an EV 611 for many years, which was similar to the 911, and I used the 611 for many years for recording quiet environmental sounds. The 911 will need a mike preamp with a very high input impedance to sound good. This is one application where tube preamps have an advantage. I'd recommend a two-stage preamp made from contact-biased 12AX7, 6SF5, 6AV6, or 6SQ7 because the 10-megohm impedance won't load the 911 and will improve its high end a bit. (If using 6AV6 or 6SQ7 be sure to connect the diodes to the cathode.) You can further improve the sound of a 911 by making a preamp that boosts treble slightly, such as having the first stage of a 12AX7-based preamp contact biased, then use cathode resistor bias for the second stage. Circuit values would be like this -- FIRST STAGE: Plate resistors 100K ohms. Ground the cathode of the first stage directly to ground. Grid resistor, 10- Megohm. SECOND STAGE: Plate Resistor, 47 Kilohms. Grid resistor, 250 Kilohms. Cathode resistor, 1,000 Ohms bypassed by 1 MicroFarad. Plate voltage can be any value between 90 Volts and 250 Volts DC, with 180 Volts DC optimum. The preamp's output impedance will be about 5 Kilohms, and the ideal loading would be 50 Kilpohms or greater -- this little preamp would connect perfectly to the line inputs of your Nakamichi cassette deck, regardless of the model. I could show you how to build such a preamplifier if you want one. > -- Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 22op877 at gmail.com Sat Jun 28 23:14:52 2008 From: 22op877 at gmail.com (Tony White) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:14:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FS: 682zx with full ESL restoration In-Reply-To: <426677.3552.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <210302880806261814r4dc5d5bds2db6fdbc3269dc02@mail.gmail.com> <426677.3552.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <210302880806281414x6deb4903kd53d8508ca13350@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ram, Congratulations on your reconditioned 680zx. May it give you many good years of service. I once had a 680zx with the exact same problem with only one capstan/pinchroller combination actually coming up to contact the tape. I don't think the previous owner realized what was going on. Its a testament to the inherent quality of the 680zx that it sounds so good as a one-capstan deck! I took my 682zx off the market, deciding that I just couldn't sell it. Thanks, Tony On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:31 AM, shanti ramachandran wrote: > Tony, > > I agree 100% with your statement on the 680 series decks and the service > provided by ESL. > > I had a 680Zx which went to a repair shop here in the US and came back > supposedly "fixed" last year. It seemed to work fine but as I got to learn > Naks, my curiosity made me observe the mechanism work and to my horror I > found that the deck had its left( supply) pinch roller completely disengaged > from the capstan. In essence, it was a single capstan deck! Yet until I > realized this I enjoyed the decks warm superb sound and used it for half > speed recordings of music that had not much highs( Ods Hindi recordings of > the 40s.50s etc..) > > I was the one that always argued in 2006 that ESL was ridiculously priced > and all,, not knowing what really goes into their restoration. After several > sour experiences this 680ZX was sent to ESL last February for a complete > over all, "better than new" service. It was pricey alright at $2500(per > Jeff's estimate) > > On Wednesday Jeff delivered the deck to me after the restoration with his 2 > year warranty and I have to relate to you the metamorphosis of this deck > into an unbelievable machine. The 680zx sounds very clean, warm and has an > authoritative bass and a superbly executed sound stage that I never thought > was possible in this series of decks. > > This deck is now my second most favorite decks after the 1000ZXL Limited > and is second by only a very small margin. The Dragon, Cr7A/E, ZX9 all sound > superb, but all three of these do not have the warm, smooth bass of the 680 > series by a long shot. This is true even for tapes recorded on other > machines and prerecorded tapes! > > Please do not misunderstand me, but even with a belt driven high > theoretically relative w/f numbers, the 680zx produces sound that is > extremely warm and has so much information, it has to be heard to be > believed. Coming from a machine that is a third in size is even more > astounding. I am not putting down the Dragons, CR7s or ZX9 decks. I am just > stating my subjective opinion comparing these side by side. The Dragon , CR7 > and ZX9 were later decks and Nak perhaps made these to compete with CD sound > and therefore made them CD sounding ( digital harshness???if you will) > > I wish I could buy your 682ZX but I have too many already and now its time > to do some downsizing, but I wish it gets a good home here amongst our > group. > > In closing, ESL is the best place if money is no object in a Nak > restoration. Jeff is a very pleasant businessman and very courteous and > always reachable, approachable. Service is par none. Hats off! > > 'Tis truly said,"you get what you pay for". > > Good luck with your sale friend. > > Regards, > > Ram > > > --- On Thu, 6/26/08, Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> wrote: > > From: Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> > Subject: [naktalk] FS: 682zx with full ESL restoration > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 9:14 PM > > I have an ESL restored 682zx with very little use up on sale at ebay > for $1150. Ebay item number is: 260256087260. You can go to ebay to > see the pictures, but here is the exact auction text: > > To condense a long story on this 682zx: I purchased in several years > ago on ebay; it was an absolutely outstanding example of a 682zx; it > has always operated perfectly for me and the previous owner, with > never a glitch. I spent a fairly long time in email with the previous > owner talking about the deck (and life in general, we sort of became > friends for a while); he was a > technician who only used it for > recording purposes, so that it got very light but consistent use over > the years, which is exactly what you would want. I sent the deck into > to Electronic Service Labs for a complete, no expense spared, > "better-than-new" restoration in March of last year. The cost of the > restoration was $1948. I have used it very little since then, just > recording about a dozen tapes. For both me and the previous owner, it > was our "baby", so it is in outstanding cosmetic condition (which the > pictures here unfortuneately do not get accross very well). > > So basically this is just a fabulous example of the Nakamichi 682zx > tape deck, truly as good a one as is ever likely to be sold on ebay. > > The 682zx model is the top of the 660/670/680/682 line. It's great > advantage over the earlier models is that it has adjustable bias and > Dolby C. The adjustable bias is especially important, because > the > earlier 660/670/680 models came out just slightly before the > adjustable bias became a "standard" feature on almost all the > cassette > decks of the time (including the cheapest Nakamichi's if I recall > correctly). > > So that the result is that only the 1000zxl (very nice but large, > expensive, finicky, hard to find parts), the ZX-7/9, and the 682zx > have adjustable record-head azimuth, level, and bias. (The > Dragon/CR-7 do not have adjustable record head aziumth, suprisingly). > When you add the well known reliability and smoothness of the 680 line > of cassette decks, with their classic mechanisms, to the fully > adjustable recording capabilities of the 682zx you get my top favorite > of all the Nakamichi decks. > > ----------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Jun 29 01:23:39 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:23:39 EDT Subject: [naktalk] AAAAAHHH! I CAN'T STAND IT! Message-ID: HI KERMIT !:) WHAT CAN I SAY?!!.....................YOU ARE AWESOME!!!!!:) Would love to get details on building vacuum tube mic amp (if it wont take up your time you are a GEM and I dont want to get you tired or something). that will work with the EV 911 and other mic, the right mic can make all the difference in recording, make it or break it!! Thanks you , thank you! YOU ARE THE MAN! With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 6/28/2008 3:21:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: Hi Ali, On Jun 27, 2008, at 5:18 PM, _BOEING747600 at aol.com_ (mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com) wrote: Hi kermit, I have electro voice 911 mercury vintage microphone its looks high quality , I dont know what kind of element is inside it, is it any good?! what your take on this mic if you are familiar with it . I havent used it yet, just came across it a sale. Thanks! Ali The ElectroVoice Mercury 911 is an omnidirectional crystal mike, having a high impedance output. Frequency response is 50 - 9,000 cps for early production, 50 - 10,000 cps for late production examples. They're popular today for recording harmonica, or for 'lo-fi"-style hard rock vocals and screaming lead guitar solos (again, with a lo-fi sound). The 911 is one of the better-sounding crystal mikes, although all crystal mikes overload easily with very loud sounds, and tend to be harsh sounding overall. An overlooked but excellent use of the 911 is to record quiet environmental sounds, like night insect sounds, crickets, the distant sound of the wind blowing through the trees, and so on. I had an EV 611 for many years, which was similar to the 911, and I used the 611 for many years for recording quiet environmental sounds. The 911 will need a mike preamp with a very high input impedance to sound good. This is one application where tube preamps have an advantage. I'd recommend a two-stage preamp made from contact-biased 12AX7, 6SF5, 6AV6, or 6SQ7 because the 10-megohm impedance won't load the 911 and will improve its high end a bit. (If using 6AV6 or 6SQ7 be sure to connect the diodes to the cathode.) You can further improve the sound of a 911 by making a preamp that boosts treble slightly, such as having the first stage of a 12AX7-based preamp contact biased, then use cathode resistor bias for the second stage. Circuit values would be like this -- FIRST STAGE: Plate resistors 100K ohms. Ground the cathode of the first stage directly to ground. Grid resistor, 10-Megohm. SECOND STAGE: Plate Resistor, 47 Kilohms. Grid resistor, 250 Kilohms. Cathode resistor, 1,000 Ohms bypassed by 1 MicroFarad. Plate voltage can be any value between 90 Volts and 250 Volts DC, with 180 Volts DC optimum. The preamp's output impedance will be about 5 Kilohms, and the ideal loading would be 50 Kilpohms or greater -- this little preamp would connect perfectly to the line inputs of your Nakamichi cassette deck, regardless of the model. I could show you how to build such a preamplifier if you want one. -- Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 28 23:34:56 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:34:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 In-Reply-To: <4B92E2B1-30FB-4D7D-9ACE-0D936C01697D@telus.net> References: <4B92E2B1-30FB-4D7D-9ACE-0D936C01697D@telus.net> Message-ID: <4866AE80.7040806@rcn.com> ROBERT WEBER wrote: > Thanks for all the help in unsticking the CR-7. However, now there is > another problem. The unit plays fine for about 45 minutes. Then the > speed slows down making the music sound weird. Then it speeds up > again to normal speed. Does anyone know what that is all about? By > the way, the idler tension is quite week and has never been changed to > a gear drive. These may be two separate problems. Occasional slowing down, then returning to normal speed: check whether pinch rollers arms are *completely* free to move. If not, pinch rollers may not make full contact with capstans in PB modes. Another possibility is an electronic problem on the motor PCB board. If this is the case, repair is usually beyond the casual hobbyist's capability. Second problem: how do you know that torque is low? If tape is reliably pulled onto the take-up hub at the end of the cassette, (both PB and FF), torque is probable adequate. If torque is indeed low, check to see whether the idler is smooth and/or glassy. If so, try cleaning the tire or replacing it. -- Ron > > Thank you so much. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Jun 29 06:52:22 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 05:52:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Harmonica mics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008f01c8d9a3$ec4b17a0$c4e146e0$@com> You just reminded me - Honer used to sell a mic just for harmonicas, fitted within a flexible rubber elongated cup, which would fit over the back of something like a Super Chronomatic or Larry Adler Special. I still have one somewhere. ( I believe they do others these days - The Blues Blaster that sits on a stand and some other model designed to fit in the hand, presumably rather like the way I used to hold mine. I would pulled it out of the rubber part, and cup it in my right band behind a Blues Harp in the left. (Yes, I played blue harmonica something like 30 years ago, and was rather good at it then. Diaphragm muscles not fit enough to do it well these days.) Gra' Graham Nelson Ali The ElectroVoice Mercury 911 is an omnidirectional crystal mike, having a high impedance output. Frequency response is 50 - 9,000 cps for early production, 50 - 10,000 cps for late production examples. They're popular today for recording harmonica, or for 'lo-fi"-style hard rock vocals and screaming lead guitar solos (again, with a lo-fi sound). The 911 is one of the better-sounding crystal mikes, although all crystal mikes overload easily with very loud sounds, and tend to be harsh sounding overall. An overlooked but excellent use of the 911 is to record quiet environmental sounds, like night insect sounds, crickets, the distant sound of the wind blowing through the trees, and so on. I had an EV 611 for many years, which was similar to the 911, and I used the 611 for many years for recording quiet environmental sounds. The 911 will need a mike preamp with a very high input impedance to sound good. This is one application where tube preamps have an advantage. I'd recommend a two-stage preamp made from contact-biased 12AX7, 6SF5, 6AV6, or 6SQ7 because the 10-megohm impedance won't load the 911 and will improve its high end a bit. (If using 6AV6 or 6SQ7 be sure to connect the diodes to the cathode.) You can further improve the sound of a 911 by making a preamp that boosts treble slightly, such as having the first stage of a 12AX7-based preamp contact biased, then use cathode resistor bias for the second stage. Circuit values would be like this -- FIRST STAGE: Plate resistors 100K ohms. Ground the cathode of the first stage directly to ground. Grid resistor, 10-Megohm. SECOND STAGE: Plate Resistor, 47 Kilohms. Grid resistor, 250 Kilohms. Cathode resistor, 1,000 Ohms bypassed by 1 MicroFarad. Plate voltage can be any value between 90 Volts and 250 Volts DC, with 180 Volts DC optimum. The preamp's output impedance will be about 5 Kilohms, and the ideal loading would be 50 Kilpohms or greater -- this little preamp would connect perfectly to the line inputs of your Nakamichi cassette deck, regardless of the model. I could show you how to build such a preamplifier if you want one. -- Kermit Gray KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 05:23:27 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FS: 682zx with full ESL restoration In-Reply-To: <210302880806281414x6deb4903kd53d8508ca13350@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <542312.21985.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good you kept the masterpiece of a deck Tony. It will give you years of pleasure. Ben, the 680ZX records at half speed very well but needs good tapes like TDK MA/Maxell MX. It would not show its full potential on a SKC ZX( Metal) tape. I guess the bias requirements are different for these. Regards, Ram On Sat, 6/28/08, Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> wrote: From: Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] FS: 682zx with full ESL restoration To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 5:14 PM Hi Ram, Congratulations on your reconditioned 680zx. May it give you many good years of service. I once had a 680zx with the exact same problem with only one capstan/pinchroller combination actually coming up to contact the tape. I don't think the previous owner realized what was going on. Its a testament to the inherent quality of the 680zx that it sounds so good as a one-capstan deck! I took my 682zx off the market, deciding that I just couldn't sell it. Thanks, Tony On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:31 AM, shanti ramachandran wrote: > Tony, > > I agree 100% with your statement on the 680 series decks and the service > provided by ESL. > > I had a 680Zx which went to a repair shop here in the US and came back > supposedly "fixed" last year. It seemed to work fine but as I got to learn > Naks, my curiosity made me observe the mechanism work and to my horror I > found that the deck had its left( supply) pinch roller completely disengaged > from the capstan. In essence, it was a single capstan deck! Yet until I > realized this I enjoyed the decks warm superb sound and used it for half > speed recordings of music that had not much highs( Ods Hindi recordings of > the 40s.50s etc..) > > I was the one that always argued in 2006 that ESL was ridiculously priced > and all,, not knowing what really goes into their restoration. After several > sour experiences this 680ZX was sent to ESL last February for a complete > over all, "better than new" service. It was pricey alright at $2500(per > Jeff's estimate) > > On Wednesday Jeff delivered the deck to me after the restoration with his 2 > year warranty and I have to relate to you the metamorphosis of this deck > into an unbelievable machine. The 680zx sounds very clean, warm and has an > authoritative bass and a superbly executed sound stage that I never thought > was possible in this series of decks. > > This deck is now my second most favorite decks after the 1000ZXL Limited > and is second by only a very small margin. The Dragon, Cr7A/E, ZX9 all sound > superb, but all three of these do not have the warm, smooth bass of the 680 > series by a long shot. This is true even for tapes recorded on other > machines and prerecorded tapes! > > Please do not misunderstand me, but even with a belt driven high > theoretically relative w/f numbers, the 680zx produces sound that is > extremely warm and has so much information, it has to be heard to be > believed. Coming from a machine that is a third in size is even more > astounding. I am not putting down the Dragons, CR7s or ZX9 decks. I am just > stating my subjective opinion comparing these side by side. The Dragon , CR7 > and ZX9 were later decks and Nak perhaps made these to compete with CD sound > and therefore made them CD sounding ( digital harshness???if you will) > > I wish I could buy your 682ZX but I have too many already and now its time > to do some downsizing, but I wish it gets a good home here amongst our > group. > > In closing, ESL is the best place if money is no object in a Nak > restoration. Jeff is a very pleasant businessman and very courteous and > always reachable, approachable. Service is par none. Hats off! > > 'Tis truly said,"you get what you pay for". > > Good luck with your sale friend. > > Regards, > > Ram > > > --- On Thu, 6/26/08, Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> wrote: > > From: Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> > Subject: [naktalk] FS: 682zx with full ESL restoration > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 9:14 PM > > I have an ESL restored 682zx with very little use up on sale at ebay > for $1150. Ebay item number is: 260256087260. You can go to ebay to > see the pictures, but here is the exact auction text: > > To condense a long story on this 682zx: I purchased in several years > ago on ebay; it was an absolutely outstanding example of a 682zx; it > has always operated perfectly for me and the previous owner, with > never a glitch. I spent a fairly long time in email with the previous > owner talking about the deck (and life in general, we sort of became > friends for a while); he was a > technician who only used it for > recording purposes, so that it got very light but consistent use over > the years, which is exactly what you would want. I sent the deck into > to Electronic Service Labs for a complete, no expense spared, > "better-than-new" restoration in March of last year. The cost of the > restoration was $1948. I have used it very little since then, just > recording about a dozen tapes. For both me and the previous owner, it > was our "baby", so it is in outstanding cosmetic condition (which the > pictures here unfortuneately do not get accross very well). > > So basically this is just a fabulous example of the Nakamichi 682zx > tape deck, truly as good a one as is ever likely to be sold on ebay. > > The 682zx model is the top of the 660/670/680/682 line. It's great > advantage over the earlier models is that it has adjustable bias and > Dolby C. The adjustable bias is especially important, because > the > earlier 660/670/680 models came out just slightly before the > adjustable bias became a "standard" feature on almost all the > cassette > decks of the time (including the cheapest Nakamichi's if I recall > correctly). > > So that the result is that only the 1000zxl (very nice but large, > expensive, finicky, hard to find parts), the ZX-7/9, and the 682zx > have adjustable record-head azimuth, level, and bias. (The > Dragon/CR-7 do not have adjustable record head aziumth, suprisingly). > When you add the well known reliability and smoothness of the 680 line > of cassette decks, with their classic mechanisms, to the fully > adjustable recording capabilities of the 682zx you get my top favorite > of all the Nakamichi decks. > > ----------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 08:05:22 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] FS: 682zx with full ESL restoration In-Reply-To: <210302880806281414x6deb4903kd53d8508ca13350@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50045.92996.qm@web50502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Tony, I'm glad to hear you are keeping your 682zx. Many have regretted selling decks of this quality. I bought a 682ZX and ZX-7 from a very nice person and I did feel some worry that he would regret it later. I made sure he took his time deciding and he seemed happy to know it was going to someone local who really loves these decks and will take care of them. We still keep in touch - he wants to know how they are doing:-) David --- On Sat, 6/28/08, Tony White <22op877 at gmail.com> wrote: > I took my 682zx off the market, deciding that I just > couldn't sell it. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 29 08:30:28 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances In-Reply-To: <8CAA5001F65E449-10D8-1755@webmail-db05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <697349.44118.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everyone,   It would be easier to state the similarities rather then the difference between both decks:   - Playback / Dolby Board - Record Dolby Board - RAMM computer - Transport and Most transport logic electronics (thought the board is different)   Everything else is different between both decks. Most significantly, the Auto-Cal computer is totally different and does not use a full micro-processor on the 700ZXL. That and the lack of a EQ stage itself makes a substantial difference between both decks. The power supply is also beefier on the 1000ZXL.   However, going back into the archives, you would see that the 700ZXL has a sound of its own and sometimes more liked by a select few over the 1000ZXL. This despite both decks having the same PB Dolby boards.   While comparing the ZXL decks and the decks that came after it, such as the Dragon, ZX series and even the CR series, one has to keep in mind the technological breakthroughs that subsequent generation of decks made. To imagine the multiple processors technologies of the CR7 being realized with late 70s electronics of the ZXL series would be mind boggling. Thus in certain terms, the ZX series and Dragon decks constituted an improvement in terms of wow and flutter and certain specs. You could also get a deck to have tighter PB response by tweaking it. Dear Kermit here has got his Revox B715 to below +/- 0.5dB between 20-20kHz if my memory serves me right. Some reasons of why the ZXL would be replaced by the ZX9 is because it is a newer model, built to deliver almost as good performance in a smaller package.   My opinion about the ZXL being the best sounding decks is just that - they are my own. I do not intend to bulldoze anyone with the ZXL is the best decks and I have the shinest ZXLs in town monologue, though I have some shiny ones too.   Cheers, Bala   --- On Thu, 6/26/08, benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 1:29 AM Hi Bernard, I believe the transports are the same on both the 700 ZXL & 1000 ZXL. One difference is in the Auto Calibration process: the 700 ZXL utilises 3 frequencies while the 1000 ZXL utilises 4. Another would be the level meters which use 30 segments on 700 ZXL and 56 on 1000 ZXL. Other than these I am struggling to find any further non cosmetic differences. I agree with Kannan's comments on the non existance of cosmetic parts and lack of experienced technicians out there who can restore a deck to full working order, but they are out there and the decks are worth the effort.  Once running well, they give very few problems.  Most electrical parts are available.  Replacement motors and parts can be acquired from a number of lower priced spares decks which utilise similar transport parts.  The heads were specially selected so may not be replaceable easily.  ESL may still be able to fit new heads during an overhaul? I would recommend buying a working deck with no visible head wear and good cosmetics rather than a project deck unless you are brave and lucky. These decks are not often talked about in terms of -  are they the best sounding Nak, best made or just best, as this debate has been exhausted.  I don't think anyone would disagree however, that these decks are up there with the best Nak's ever produced. Regards, Ben Current Naks: 1000 ZXL Limited / 1000 ZXL x 4 / Dragon / ZX-9 / 682ZX http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/1000ZXL/ -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Pradie To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 5:36 am Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL vs. 1000 ZXL differances Hi, I have read a lot about 1000 ZXL. I saw too discussion about bests naks. But seems between 1000 ZXL, ZX-9, Dragon, CR-7, the 700 ZXL was not frequently mentioned. Does somebody know details differences in components and quality between it and 1000 ZXL. Does some listeners have ear both (or front another top nak ?) What problem to plan for a potential buy of used (unavailable parts ?, frequent disease ?) 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Showtimes, theaters, movie news, & more! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dbauer45 at comcast.net Sun Jun 29 10:27:35 2008 From: dbauer45 at comcast.net (Dean Bauer) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 04:27:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DR-10 head problem? References: <200806281001.m5SA1hLl013133@zxe.naks.com> <000901c8d964$e46f1020$0200a8c0@kcsmcv2jcuzbg2> Message-ID: <685B567FD8AE46EFA8C1DA5F8C6AE5F8@asusm2n4sli> If you must have another DR-10, I have one that is new in the box. I picked it up from a failed marketing co a few of years ago when my 480 bias oscillator went belly up from orange cap disease, but later fixed because of this awesome group of fanatics for about $2...you guys ROCK!!!! When I say the DR-10 is new, it is absolutely new. It still has the styrofoam wrapping around it and all original packing, including the unopened plastic bags with cables, manuals, etc. When I got it home, I checked out all functions very briefly and used latex gloves to handle it so there is not so much as one human fingerprint on it. All functions work perfectly. After wrapping it back up very neatly, it then went back into the box and into the closet. It has been there ever since. The DR has been my insurance against catostrophic Nak failure, but since I aquired it, this group and the ebay scene have gotten me to add a couple of 582s and a 680ZX to my collection. Let me know if you are interested. dino ----- Original Message ----- From: Csaba & Ildikó To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] DR-10 head problem? I bought one of the last new Nakamichi DR-10 a couple of years ago. It has low hours on it, took care of it. But the sound level on left channel is very low. Looks like the head is gone, I really wonder why? If it is the head, do I have any possibility to replace with a similar one? Anything on the market? Or somehing very close to it? 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That deck will NEVER leave me. *andy* From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Jun 30 16:38:49 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] DR-10 head problem? In-Reply-To: <000901c8d964$e46f1020$0200a8c0@kcsmcv2jcuzbg2> Message-ID: <93682.51552.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do not assume that it is due to play head without verifying - there is a good chance, some electrolytic cap or Caps need replacement. This is my experience with DR as well few Cassette Deck series Decks. first take out the head connector to playback amp circuit board behind the transport( I assume that the arrangement is similar to DR2 Deck) and measure the resistance across left right channels - if you have a multimeter. Or take to any simple radio / audio  repair shop nearby for such a check. kannan    --- On Sat, 6/28/08, Csaba & Ildikó wrote: From: Csaba & Ildikó Subject: [naktalk] DR-10 head problem? To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 5:21 PM I bought one of the last new Nakamichi DR-10 a couple of years ago. It has low hours on it, took care of it. But the sound level on left channel is very low. Looks like the head is gone, I really wonder why? If it is the head, do I have any possibility to replace with a similar one? Anything on the market? Or somehing very close to it?   Thanks.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Mon Jun 30 22:28:28 2008 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:28:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Victor Trifu & eBay trading - asalutorywarningtoNaktalkers In-Reply-To: References: <53EEFE1671F144239D5CC053A7CF62BE@GrahamNPC><84E02A8F8C9144B6B0216745FB2DBDE3@GrahamNPC> <7BCCFDFF77514F65985660B5D6510B74@geoffprimary> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:45:26 -0400, "Geoffrey Reynolds" wrote: >I had one buyer who lived about 15 minutes from my house who wanted to do >local pickup. He blew off several agreed upon pickup times, so I finally >insisted that he pay for shipping which he did. All other local pickups >have worked out just fine for me both as a buyer and a seller. Sounds like a guy with too much going on and time ain't one of them ;) >The other nice thing about local pickup is you get to actually meet and >interact with a real person. Some of these people turn out to be really >nice and everyone ends up feeling a lot better about the whole process. >It's kind of refreshing these days when so much can be done online without >ever talking to anyone. Yup. Especially if you find you're not collecting the same stuff, then its not like a showdown but more of a collaborative meeting. I'm OK with showing off my collection to people who do not collect the same stuff, often our experiences are mutually useful as are the other people we buy from and sell to. All manufaturers have their high end afficionados who will look down on most of the present offerings and keep looking to complete their timeline pieces. Only problem is magazines, if you want the original reviws and ads but do not like to cut up the mag in order for someone else to get reviews and ads of their precious collection pieces. Which reminds me I am still missing the entire 1978 year of the danish High Fidelity mag. Right smack in the middle of the period I collect them most from. I like tests, reviews and articles where they visit odd people to tell of their audio system. Even the letters to the mag and the responses hold nuggets of help and info of the past. So far I sold one item on eBay. I am not eager to do it again. My second item went unsold. But I'd never charge for local pickup, it is an excellent opportunity to see other collectors in the flesh. last guy who was here to deliver something to me was driving around for several people, got stuck in traffic jams and had not eaten or drank anything during the day. He had two more stops when he came by my place at litle over 8pm. Turned out he is trying to sell his house and has a turntable collection, most is packed up and his car is full too, he has to take stuff out in order to the stuff he drove around for others. I peeked into his van, and he did have several nice pieces in there that he had no room for at home as his house is wrapped up in 40 moving boxes. I spotted several nice turntables and a Pioneer SA-9100 integrated amp, just like mine. I wanted to give him something for his trouble and as he was thirsty and just wanted to get hom, I gave him a 6-pack cocacola cans from my fridge. and I gave him my Lenco L78 for his collection, will make a nice parts donor unit if he doesn't restore it. It means I don't have to find a buyer for it or have it take up space in my kitchen anymore. Week before that I had a guy deliver me a Technics ST-9030 tuner, and he was very impressed with my collection of the other pieces in the series and timeline pieces too. Turns out he is an electrical engineer. We talked happily for 10-15 minutes, when he was reminded by his wife on the phone that she was waiting for him to finish that "quick delivery". Yes, unbeknownst to me - she was in the car :) -Mikkel g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2008\2008-March.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Mar 1 17:43:26 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:43:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] [maktalk] Re: Nak repair In-Reply-To: <200803011101.m21B0V9X000733@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <97381.50517.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Victor, This was over a yr ago and yes, he gave me all the particulars of the past places he worked. I don't remember the names, my memory is good, but not that good.;-) It was probably a fairytale anyway, as all I got for my $200+ were new rubber items and the deck calibration was never touched. As I indicated, I bought the Service Manual and sent it all down to *andy*, who got it back online. I don't mind giving the guy's name...he can sue me if he wants. He's a fraud AND he physically damaged my deck's fascia. It could happen to anyone, but he denied doing that, as well. It has to be the most unpleasant service experience of my life. I good indicator as to why I usually fix things myself. Kevin > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:52:38 -0700 > From: "Victor Gabrenas" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak repair > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > Message-ID: > <000f01c87a6d$647062d0$2d512870$@utah.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hmmmm..never heard of him. I know quite a few techs > in the Wasatch area. > Most are good however......there some B.S.ers as > well. Did he tell you the > name of the shop? The shop here in SLC is total > rip-off. Won't name the > place but They are still in business. > > Vic > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Kevin Fetner > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:35 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak repair > > Victor, > The "old world" tech who advertised on ebay was > Thomas > F Possche from Utah. He had a very complete, > sad-sack > story about working for a high-end analog stereo > shop > that went under due to the advent of digital. > Whether > the story is true or not is irrelevant, because the > guy is a bum and a poser who can't deliver what he > claims. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sun Mar 2 09:33:28 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 08:33:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] [maktalk] Re: Nak repair Message-ID: <030220080833.8556.47CA66570009FEF50000216C22230682329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> I came across this chap some moons ago after inquiring about some future work. He also gave me the gripe story about no one wanting to spend more than $180.00 to use his "service". I got a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach when I started to ask him some technical questions. He just kept repeating, "I can fix any deck, they are all the same. Send it in soon before my work bench gets loaded". Sure glad, I never sent him diddly... BTW, I know firsthand the depression that follows when you give someone your precious equipment just to find scratches, dings, missing paint and a general butcher job. Never want to go there again. I I'd rather fix it myself or not at all. -------------- Original message from Kevin Fetner : -------------- > Victor, > This was over a yr ago and yes, he gave me all the > particulars of the past places he worked. I don't > remember the names, my memory is good, but not that > good.;-) It was probably a fairytale anyway, as all I > got for my $200+ were new rubber items and the deck > calibration was never touched. As I indicated, I > bought the Service Manual and sent it all down to > *andy*, who got it back online. > > I don't mind giving the guy's name...he can sue me if > he wants. He's a fraud AND he physically damaged my > deck's fascia. It could happen to anyone, but he > denied doing that, as well. It has to be the most > unpleasant service experience of my life. I good > indicator as to why I usually fix things myself. > > Kevin > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:52:38 -0700 > > From: "Victor Gabrenas" > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak repair > > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > > > Message-ID: > > <000f01c87a6d$647062d0$2d512870$@utah.edu> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > Hmmmm..never heard of him. I know quite a few techs > > in the Wasatch area. > > Most are good however......there some B.S.ers as > > well. Did he tell you the > > name of the shop? The shop here in SLC is total > > rip-off. Won't name the > > place but They are still in business. > > > > Vic > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > > Of Kevin Fetner > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:35 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak repair > > > > Victor, > > The "old world" tech who advertised on ebay was > > Thomas > > F Possche from Utah. He had a very complete, > > sad-sack > > story about working for a high-end analog stereo > > shop > > that went under due to the advent of digital. > > Whether > > the story is true or not is irrelevant, because the > > guy is a bum and a poser who can't deliver what he > > claims. > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Mar 2 14:26:29 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:26:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Series Question Message-ID: <030220081326.10960.47CAAB05000398B400002AD022155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Thanks to everyone who replied. I knew about the Stop lamp issue, but I was curious because in my experience the 580 series decks seem to have this failure more often than other decks. I just keep seeing or reading about this happening in the 580 decks. I was wondering if there was some anomaly unique to that series' circuitry that caused this more often than in other decks. *andy* From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sun Mar 2 16:36:58 2008 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:36:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Weird dolby Print in my Dragon References: <361507.19413.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002901c87c7b$40cb8340$53f66391@a8n32sli> Hi, i have bought a Dragon this weekend and after inspecting its innerside i found a dedicated print with a set of sony cx20188 Dolby chips. The serial of the Dragon is 29876 and there is a sticker on the backside from the former Nakamichi importer in the Netherlands (Transtec) who indicates a selling year of 1993. Was the Dragon made so long? No other Dragon i have seen has that print . I wonder if anyone know the story if this modification. I can't find anything about it in de service manual. Regards Norman From modernizy at netscape.net Sun Mar 2 20:45:10 2008 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 22:45:10 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Unusual T-100 on German E-bay References: <97381.50517.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c87c9d$f1e14080$7548fea9@fwamd> Hello, Nak fans Just came across a very strange Nak T-100 at German E-bay with the reference to Studer Revox. Have anybody seen such a thing before? What auxiliary functions are built in this device? http://cgi.ebay.de/STUDER-REVOX-NAKAMICHI-T-100-SPEZIAL-ANFERTIGUNG-UNIKAT_W0QQitemZ250221668808QQihZ015QQcategoryZ19604QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Thank you in advance for any information. With the very best wishes to everybody, Nick. From psycho at rayhogan.net Mon Mar 3 10:51:13 2008 From: psycho at rayhogan.net (Hogan Ray) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:51:13 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Heads Message-ID: <97404E60-4125-498C-8F6C-4A1408146417@rayhogan.net> Does anyone know if the erase and playback heads in the 480 are the same as in the 582? They look the same. If they are, and depending on the condition of the 480's heads, I may save them for parts instead of replacing the 480's idler tyre and using it as a second deck. Ray Hogan Music is The Best -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This Dragon is for sale soon from my stock! kannan Norman van Wijnen wrote: Hi, i have bought a Dragon this weekend and after inspecting its innerside i found a dedicated print with a set of sony cx20188 Dolby chips. The serial of the Dragon is 29876 and there is a sticker on the backside from the former Nakamichi importer in the Netherlands (Transtec) who indicates a selling year of 1993. Was the Dragon made so long? No other Dragon i have seen has that print . I wonder if anyone know the story if this modification. I can't find anything about it in de service manual. Regards Norman ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 3 15:03:15 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:03:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Heads In-Reply-To: <97404E60-4125-498C-8F6C-4A1408146417@rayhogan.net> References: <97404E60-4125-498C-8F6C-4A1408146417@rayhogan.net> Message-ID: <47CC0523.4020001@rcn.com> Hogan Ray wrote: > Does anyone know if the erase and playback heads in the 480 are the same > as in the 582? They look the same. If they are, and depending on the > condition of the 480's heads, I may save them for parts instead of > replacing the 480's idler tyre and using it as a second deck. > > > Ray Hogan > Music is The Best Both decks use the same erase head (E-8L, P/N GA02017A). However, PB heads are different, as they must, in 2-head and 3-head decks. Just to document: The 582 uses A P-8L (S/N CA08127A) PB head and a R-8L (S/N CA08128A) REC head. The 408 uses a RP-9E (S/N OG01294A) Rec/PB head. -- Ron From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Mon Mar 3 15:17:09 2008 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:17:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Weird dolby Print in my Dragon References: <258884.18263.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c87d39$48354e40$53f66391@a8n32sli> Thanks Kannan, Because of my bad translation there goes something wrong. In dutch a print means PCB. So a dedicated print means a dedicated PCB with sony chips on it. Sorry for the confusion. I could make a picture of the printed circuit board ? Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan srinivasaraghavan To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Weird dolby Print in my Dragon I have one Dragon with serial number 29000+ but have not seen anything about Sony Dolby chip in this machine. Probably Nak parts could not get NE series chips from Philipps during their last Dragon production run? I suspect that could be the reason why there is some printed info inside the dragon. ( i will dig my Service manual addendum from Naks sent during 1998 for this as I remember seeing this part?) Dragons were selling even during 1995 to 97 wherever stock was available but many stopped buying due to CD's popularity. My personal opinion - Sony Dolby Chips are not as good as earlier NE series chips. This Dragon is for sale soon from my stock! kannan Norman van Wijnen wrote: Hi, i have bought a Dragon this weekend and after inspecting its innerside i found a dedicated print with a set of sony cx20188 Dolby chips. The serial of the Dragon is 29876 and there is a sticker on the backside from the former Nakamichi importer in the Netherlands (Transtec) who indicates a selling year of 1993. Was the Dragon made so long? No other Dragon i have seen has that print . I wonder if anyone know the story if this modification. I can't find anything about it in de service manual. Regards Norman ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________ NOD32 2913 (20080301) Informatie __________ Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. http://www.nod32.nl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Mar 4 02:40:04 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:40:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape brands. In-Reply-To: <200803021100.m22B0QsR004980@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <322662.74413.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Well, after giving *andy* (sorry again, *andy*) a scare that maybe somebody monkeyed with the internal bias settings previously, I finally found a tape that sounded correct to the source. I have sealed lots of Maxell Metal Capsule and TDK Pro SM blank tapes. As it turns out, the recently restored RX-505 (by *andy*) absolutely HATES both these tapes on their respective settings. However, the Maxell MX-S tapes I have from yrs ago sound absolutely faithful to the source (on the 505's 'ZX' setting), after I bulked erased them to start the test. I can't afford the going price on ebay for MX-S tapes. What would you guys suggest I use for Type IV metal and Type II chrome tapes on the RX-505? Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Mar 4 09:00:33 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 03:00:33 EST Subject: [naktalk] Tape brands. Message-ID: In a message dated 3/3/2008 11:37:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, shoeihell at yahoo.com writes: Well, after giving *andy* (sorry again, *andy*) a scare that maybe somebody monkeyed with the internal bias settings previously, I finally found a tape that sounded correct to the source. I have sealed lots of Maxell Metal Capsule and TDK Pro SM blank tapes. As it turns out, the recently restored RX-505 (by *andy*) absolutely HATES both these tapes on their respective settings. However, the Maxell MX-S tapes I have from yrs ago sound absolutely faithful to the source (on the 505's 'ZX' setting), after I bulked erased them to start the test. I can't afford the going price on ebay for MX-S tapes. What would you guys suggest I use for Type IV metal and Type II chrome tapes on the RX-505? Kevin Hi Kevin, Maybe I haven't been paying enough attention to your previous posts, but have you considered re-calibrating your deck for the tapes you have? It's not very hard to do if you have the test tones to run through it. Take a look at the service manual. Jeff W **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 4 09:35:13 2008 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (cjlovesjazz) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:35:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi CR-3E's Message-ID: <348557.4046.bm@omp225.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Fred, that's a very kind offer. Thank you. I'm not new to the list - I've been lucky enough to get great advice from several members regarding my BX-300E's over a period of about 2 years. As it was, the CR-3E I was bidding on sold for about $185 and I missed out. I'm still looking though and I'd like to thank you and and other list members for the advice which made me feel confident to go for it - and I'm still on the lookout! ___________ Fred M from Marrs Communications said: "Hello Chris, Welcome to Naktalk. I just want to add the CR-3 IS very good machine for the money. If you buy it, let me know. I will be happy to send you a set of belts for it FREE of CHARGE. Take Care. Fred M" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 4 11:32:59 2008 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (cjlovesjazz) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:32:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Would you earth a Nak? Message-ID: <704004.50983.bm@omp216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> This is an odd one, and I wouldn't ask the question here if I hadn't already tried other avenues. This is a bit long too - apologies. There is a component on my central heating boiler which genenerates RFI, thank God not all the time. Using a contact suppressor on the room thermostat failed to stop the noise and so I'm certain it's at the boiler end. The gas company don't acknowledge that there is any fault ("the boiler can't produce radio frequencies") and the central heating works OK so they won't do anything. For safety reasons, I can't touch it. So I have to try to cure the symptoms and not the root cause, which is frustrating. Mains conditioners and uprated mains cables have failed to reject the noise, so I've concluded the noise is not mains borne and it's probably getting into the system via phono cables. I have to say that the RFI only became a nuisance when I stopped using my Marantz amplifiers (double insulated units) and started using an Arcam Alpha 6 (needs to be earthed). So first I have to check that the amp is properly earthed (using my less-than-perfect logic). It has a moulded plug so I can't tell, so I run a separate earth to another plug to be sure. The noise is louder - just as it is using the uprated mains cable which I KNOW has an earth connection. My mains distribution board has a solid earth connection - oh, I checked that. With just the amp and speakers connected (no sources) I get no interference at all, so the speaker cables aren't acting as an antenna. I start with the CD player and with just mains connected, no interference, but interference returns once phono cables are connected (strangely this is almost completely elminated when I use skinny out-of-the-box leads instead of the QED Qunex 1's I routinely use). Exactly the same repeats with my DVD player - skinny leads give almost no noise. My turntable uses lightweight leads anyway and is earthed to the brass terminal on the back of the amp - it produces no noise that I can detect. Connecting my digital TV receiver produces no detectable noise because again I use skinny leads because sound quality has never been a priority for this source. I had an Aiwa cassette deck in the system and despite it being a double insulated unit, I had the feeling it was not correctly earthed because I got that back-to-the-70's feeling when I rubbed my finger along the top of the facia and felt a tingling sensation. I also realised that that the mains cable is about 8 feet/2.5 metres long so this seemed like it would make a good antenna, especially as the deck sits in the line of sight of the boiler and is the closest component to it. So, I replaced it with one of my BX-300E's. I still get some interference with skinny leads (but not as much as I did with the heavier leads I routinely use with my decks). The mains lead to the Nak has no earth lead and the deck does not have the double insulated symbol on the casing. The question - finally - is whether it's advisable to earth the Nak to the brass terminal on the amp that the turntable curently uses? It may be that this wouldn't cure the noise anyway but I wanted to make sure I could do no harm by trying. I've anyone is still reading - and can help - a big thank you. Imagine, all this nice equipment and quality interconnects and my music gets interrupted by a sound like a hornet buzzing round. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Tue Mar 4 12:22:48 2008 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 03:22:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape brands. In-Reply-To: <322662.74413.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <872692.5599.qm@web50010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Kevin this is what i use in my BX-300 maxell type II and tdk sa It's hard to pay what they want on e-bay for metal tape. I get good results with these two brands. Kevin Fetner wrote: Well, after giving *andy* (sorry again, *andy*) a scare that maybe somebody monkeyed with the internal bias settings previously, I finally found a tape that sounded correct to the source. I have sealed lots of Maxell Metal Capsule and TDK Pro SM blank tapes. As it turns out, the recently restored RX-505 (by *andy*) absolutely HATES both these tapes on their respective settings. However, the Maxell MX-S tapes I have from yrs ago sound absolutely faithful to the source (on the 505's 'ZX' setting), after I bulked erased them to start the test. I can't afford the going price on ebay for MX-S tapes. What would you guys suggest I use for Type IV metal and Type II chrome tapes on the RX-505? Kevin ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Tue Mar 4 15:57:27 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (wnn523484 at telfort.nl) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:57:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 580 Series Question In-Reply-To: <200803041100.m24B05rl027860@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <47C4F914000063FD@mail-3-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Andy, Only the 580 series has this problem , and likely the 680 series. The bulb in the 680 has more space to live and is possibly bigger, thus its life expectancy is longer. Happy listening Henk Schenk www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 580 Series Question > > > >Thanks to everyone who replied. > >I knew about the Stop lamp issue, but I was curious because in my experience >the 580 series decks seem to have this failure more often than other decks. > I just keep seeing or reading about this happening in the 580 decks. I >was wondering if there was some anomaly unique to that series' circuitry >that caused this more often than in other decks. > > >*andy* From blkmacster at cox.net Tue Mar 4 16:30:07 2008 From: blkmacster at cox.net (macster) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 07:30:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Tape brands. In-Reply-To: <200803041100.m24B0VTJ027917@zxe.naks.com> References: <200803041100.m24B0VTJ027917@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Kevin Try TDK SA, or any "M" series tape MA, MX. Also, try Maxell XL II. M~ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:40:04 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Tape brands. To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <322662.74413.qm at web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Well, after giving *andy* (sorry again, *andy*) a scare that maybe somebody monkeyed with the internal bias settings previously, I finally found a tape that sounded correct to the source. I have sealed lots of Maxell Metal Capsule and TDK Pro SM blank tapes. As it turns out, the recently restored RX-505 (by *andy*) absolutely HATES both these tapes on their respective settings. However, the Maxell MX-S tapes I have from yrs ago sound absolutely faithful to the source (on the 505's 'ZX' setting), after I bulked erased them to start the test. I can't afford the going price on ebay for MX-S tapes. What would you guys suggest I use for Type IV metal and Type II chrome tapes on the RX-505? Kevin From badanth at aim.com Tue Mar 4 17:47:52 2008 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:47:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A few questions and another Nak... In-Reply-To: <47CC0523.4020001@rcn.com> References: <97404E60-4125-498C-8F6C-4A1408146417@rayhogan.net> <47CC0523.4020001@rcn.com> Message-ID: <8CA4C2E9F30F401-B94-43A@WEBMAIL-DG09.sim.aol.com> I'm looking at another CR5 but it has a couple problems I could use help with. The first is it only plays,?sometimes then stops. I plan on replacing the idler tire but I'm not sure that's it. The second problem I'm more concerned with is the peak level meters are solidly pegged all the way across when pushing play in tape mode or source mode with or without a tape in. No sound other than static is producedand it triggered?the amp into standby. Anyone have any ideas what this deck might need? Regards, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From badanth at aim.com Wed Mar 5 01:20:56 2008 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:20:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: A few questions and another new Nak... Message-ID: <8CA4C6DEA22068E-1428-31D3@webmail-md16.sysops.aol.com> Well, I went and picked up the CR5 because I couldn't resist such a pristine piece of Nakafilia. ;o) I'm sure it will be great for parts if nothing less. So, I've replaced the idler tire but still have the pegged peak meters and no sound. I've searched through as much of the archives as my eyes can take and still no luck. Has anyone had this problem before? Thanks, Anthony PS: I have a CR7 service manual which I assume is similar for the CR5, true? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dister.bunty at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 07:24:16 2008 From: dister.bunty at gmail.com (DB) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:24:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 MK2- Problems/Questions Message-ID: Hi Folks I recently became the proud owner of a 1000 MK2. (ebay special) This was supposed to have been working well but, surprise surprise, there are a few issues. If anyone has any input, that would be most appreciated!! It looks like the tape counter has stopped running. This may be linked to the second problem, which is this- the unit plays the B side of all my tapes fine, but chews up and rips apart the tape on the A side. Have you ever heard of this happening? Could it be a problem with the belts? Sorry if these questions are amateurish/annoying; I just did a cursory search of the archives and couldn't find anything. Anywho- Long Live Analog!! -mike From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Wed Mar 5 08:52:54 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:52:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Not Playing - Need Help Message-ID: Hi everyone! My friend has got a BX300 which he had been using until recently but now it has stopped playing the tapes. When the play button is pressed nothing happens, the transport does not move up, also nothing happens when the Rewind button is pressed. Fast Forward, however, does work. Any thoughts as to what might be wrong with it, any possible causes? 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Message-ID: <030420081634.13347.47CD7A0600070B230000342322165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I'm sure most of you know that there is a Nakamichi DA09092A Head Alignment Gauge on eBay right now. Although I don't have this gauge in my collection, I won't be bidding on it. I have an A-BEX THG-801 gauge (complete with snazzy wooden storage box!) that looks almost exactly like it. This got me to thinking (uh-oh, here we go again!)... Did Nakamichi actually make their gauges, or were they produced by a third party, such as A-BEX? My A-BEX gauge has horizontal guide marks in what appear to be the exact same minimum/maximum/zero levels at the same two positions as the marks on the Nakamichi gauge. My gauge is different, however, in that each horizontal mark is labeled "MIN" "MAX" or "O", whereas the Nakamichi gauge simply has the lines. My gauge also has exactly the same pencil-shaped alignment jig. The upper corners of my A-BEX are not quite as rounded as the upper corners on the Nakamichi gauge, and the three counter-sunk screws near the bottom that hold the back plate of the gauge are not in quite the same position as the three screws on the bottom of the Nakamichi gauge. Aside from these very minor differences, my gauge looks and works exactly the same as the Nakamichi gauge. Maybe Nakamichi made the "complicated" gauges themselves, but left this gauge to be made by A-BEX or someone else. Can anyone verify where any of the Nakamichi gauges were produced? *andy* From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 5 09:21:14 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:21:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 MK2- Problems/Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Mike! As during 1978 I acquired my first Nak product exactly the same deck that you today own (Still with me & I'm asking $:500.00), for it + shipping of course. Yes the Belts has two ones, a wide large one & a much smaller more rounded one that MUST be changed. Good luck, Alex! > Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:24:16 -0800> From: dister.bunty at gmail.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 MK2- Problems/Questions> > Hi Folks> > I recently became the proud owner of a 1000 MK2. (ebay special) This> was supposed to have been working well but, surprise surprise, there> are a few issues. If anyone has any input, that would be most> appreciated!!> > It looks like the tape counter has stopped running. This may be> linked to the second problem, which is this- the unit plays the B side> of all my tapes fine, but chews up and rips apart the tape on the A> side. Have you ever heard of this happening? Could it be a problem> with the belts?> > Sorry if these questions are amateurish/annoying; I just did a cursory> search of the archives and couldn't find anything.> > Anywho- Long Live Analog!!> > -mike> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From christopher.winter at siemens.com Wed Mar 5 09:54:22 2008 From: christopher.winter at siemens.com (Winter, Christopher) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:54:22 +0100 Subject: AW: [naktalk] Would you earth a Nak? In-Reply-To: <704004.50983.bm@omp216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <704004.50983.bm@omp216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46592755A97408419827CB43DB3B6CAA03727001@bbuv0x1a.ww011.siemens.net> Hi Chris, you gave a quite complete description and showed expertise in RFI issues. However - I'm afraid, earthing won't solve the problem, since there is no real "antenna" there and you already proved that there is no HF getting rectified by e.g. the power-amp output stage (-> loudspeaker cables). What I have seen in most customer audio equipment, that uses unbalanced (or "asymmetrical") signal transfer paths, is the zero-potential of the power supply going directly to the case of the unit and having the signal lines internally connected to the case also. Btw: these units often use a plug without earth so that's the reason for this "funny '70s feeling" - some sort of leakage. The fact that high quality cables "improve" the noise, gives me the indication, that there is a current flow between the components that gets bigger when connections are made with lower impedance cables. My advice would be to check the case connection of your equipment (each unit) and replace the direct case connection of the signal lines with a ceramic capacitor to case/ground with roughly 100 nF. This way you're isolating the signal path from the supply path and cross current should vanish. If the unit is well designed and it hasn't got the direct connection, try the capacitors anyway... As you surely know, there should be only ONE earth connection for the complete audio system, at the point of lowest signal amplitude - which is of course at the amp, where the turntable earthing screw resides. Earthing another unit will very likely produce an earth loop - so the hornet will be accompanied by a humming bear... Checking the turntable may be done by opening the internal connection to the tonearm cables and supplying separate termination resistors to each channel without connection to any other potential insides the turntable. I guess that you'll hear no noise with those resistors in place. If it is so, then you may vary the grounding of the turntable's inside. Good luck, Christopher ________________________________ Von: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Im Auftrag von cjlovesjazz Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. März 2008 11:33 An: naktalk at naks.com Betreff: [naktalk] Would you earth a Nak? This is an odd one, and I wouldn't ask the question here if I hadn't already tried other avenues. This is a bit long too - apologies. There is a component on my central heating boiler which genenerates RFI, thank God not all the time. Using a contact suppressor on the room thermostat failed to stop the noise and so I'm certain it's at the boiler end. The gas company don't acknowledge that there is any fault ("the boiler can't produce radio frequencies") and the central heating works OK so they won't do anything. For safety reasons, I can't touch it. So I have to try to cure the symptoms and not the root cause, which is frustrating. Mains conditioners and uprated mains cables have failed to reject the noise, so I've concluded the noise is not mains borne and it's probably getting into the system via phono cables. I have to say that the RFI only became a nuisance when I stopped using my Marantz amplifiers (double insulated units) and started using an Arcam Alpha 6 (needs to be earthed). So first I have to check that the amp is properly earthed (using my less-than-perfect logic). It has a moulded plug so I can't tell, so I run a separate earth to another plug to be sure. The noise is louder - just as it is using the uprated mains cable which I KNOW has an earth connection. My mains distribution board has a solid earth connection - oh, I checked that. With just the amp and speakers connected (no sources) I get no interference at all, so the speaker cables aren't acting as an antenna. I start with the CD player and with just mains connected, no interference, but interference returns once phono cables are connected (strangely this is almost completely elminated when I use skinny out-of-the-box leads instead of the QED Qunex 1's I routinely use). Exactly the same repeats with my DVD player - skinny leads give almost no noise. My turntable uses lightweight leads anyway and is earthed to the brass terminal on the back of the amp - it produces no noise that I can detect. Connecting my digital TV receiver produces no detectable noise because again I use skinny leads because sound quality has never been a priority for this source. I had an Aiwa cassette deck in the system and despite it being a double insulated unit, I had the feeling it was not correctly earthed because I got that back-to-the-70's feeling when I rubbed my finger along the top of the facia and felt a tingling sensation. I also realised that that the mains cable is about 8 feet/2.5 metres long so this seemed like it would make a good antenna, especially as the deck sits in the line of sight of the boiler and is the closest component to it. So, I replaced it with one of my BX-300E's. I still get some interference with skinny leads (but not as much as I did with the heavier leads I routinely use with my decks). The mains lead to the Nak has no earth lead and the deck does not have the double insulated symbol on the casing. The question - finally - is whether it's advisable to earth the Nak to the brass terminal on the amp that the turntable curently uses? It may be that this wouldn't cure the noise anyway but I wanted to make sure I could do no harm by trying. I've anyone is still reading - and can help - a big thank you. Imagine, all this nice equipment and quality interconnects and my music gets interrupted by a sound like a hornet buzzing round. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Wed Mar 5 12:47:45 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (wnn523484 at telfort.nl) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:47:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi 1000 MK2- Problems/Questions In-Reply-To: <200803051100.m25B04KE004994@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <47C4F914000073B6@mail-3-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Mike, This is not a typical behavior of the beautiful original super transport of Nakamichi (not the socalled "Classical" transport, but the one before. Medieval?) I would try only good TDK and Maxell tapes from the golden years of cassette (80's previous century). The shell of good cassettes have a high degree of symmetry, and that should rule out differences between A and B sides. Aside from this the tape travel in your machine seems to be 'marginal' in stead of magical, which will be the case when this transport is working as supposed. Take a look at both pinch rollers and find out if the sides running against the tape are flat or a little rounded. The line touching the capstan should be flat. It is common to get a bit of swollen surface, indicating a high mileage, lifespan of the rollers. This will be lees then perfect, but might still be working. Clean the rollers very thoroughly, using chemicals and force, this might temporarily overcome the problem. If so, my guess is the problem stems from worn pinch rollers. Good luck and let us know progress, if any. Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > >From: DB >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:24:16 -0800 >Reply-To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 MK2- Problems/Questions > > >Hi Folks > >I recently became the proud owner of a 1000 MK2. (ebay special) This >was supposed to have been working well but, surprise surprise, there >are a few issues. If anyone has any input, that would be most >appreciated!! > >It looks like the tape counter has stopped running. This may be >linked to the second problem, which is this- the unit plays the B side >of all my tapes fine, but chews up and rips apart the tape on the A >side. Have you ever heard of this happening? Could it be a problem >with the belts? > >Sorry if these questions are amateurish/annoying; I just did a cursory >search of the archives and couldn't find anything. > >Anywho- Long Live Analog!! > >-mike > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Mar 5 13:12:32 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:12:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Not Playing - Need Help Message-ID: <030520081212.19463.47CE8E300006B27A00004C0722165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Nadeem: I believe that your friend's BX-300 has a control motor that has hit a "dead spot". Open up the BX-300 and, using a pencil's eraser tip, try nudging the large white gear next to the horizonally-mounted control motor whilst simultaneously pressing the Play button. Just nudge the gear firmly (but gently) back and forth while pressing Play. The motor should "wake up" and the deck should enter Play mode. If you manage to get the deck to Play again, this problem may happen again. The motor may need to be cleaned. Hope this helps, *andy* From dougg at mmsav.com Wed Mar 5 13:45:43 2008 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:45:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Head Alignment Gauge. . Who Made It? In-Reply-To: <030420081634.13347.47CD7A0600070B230000342322165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <030420081634.13347.47CD7A0600070B230000342322165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD4232D17F875@mail.mmsav.com> Hello Andy, I have the Nakamichi Gauge on eBay right now and while I purchased this one originally from Nakamichi with my "Dealer Service Station Package" I do think that it is made by another party. Before and during my Hi-End HiFi years I worked at a recording studio aligning recorders and servicing their cassette duplication facility. Before they got into the "bin-loop" cassette duplicators they used Pentagon Cassette Duplicators. Pentagon sold a service kit with the same head and tape guide alignment gauge (in the wooden box) and a torque watch to check take-up tension. At 16x speed a torque cassette is useless. :o) Here is the link to the Pentagon Kit: http://www.pentagonservice.com/Gauge.html My current employment is with a commercial AV integrator and they have giant sized alignment gauges for alignment of the old broadcast standard VTRs like Umatic. Thanks, Doug P.s. The Dealer Alignment Gauge and Test Tape price Sheets that I scanned and posted were the special "New" dealer packages. Their published prices for the tapes and gauges in their regular parts list were many times higher. -----Original Message----- From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net [mailto:hwbosshoss at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:34 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Who Made It? I'm sure most of you know that there is a Nakamichi DA09092A Head Alignment Gauge on eBay right now. Although I don't have this gauge in my collection, I won't be bidding on it. I have an A-BEX THG-801 gauge (complete with snazzy wooden storage box!) that looks almost exactly like it. This got me to thinking (uh-oh, here we go again!)... Did Nakamichi actually make their gauges, or were they produced by a third party, such as A-BEX? My A-BEX gauge has horizontal guide marks in what appear to be the exact same minimum/maximum/zero levels at the same two positions as the marks on the Nakamichi gauge. My gauge is different, however, in that each horizontal mark is labeled "MIN" "MAX" or "O", whereas the Nakamichi gauge simply has the lines. My gauge also has exactly the same pencil-shaped alignment jig. The upper corners of my A-BEX are not quite as rounded as the upper corners on the Nakamichi gauge, and the three counter-sunk screws near the bottom that hold the back plate of the gauge are not in quite the same position as the three screws on the bottom of the Nakamichi gauge. Aside from these very minor differences, my gauge looks and works exactly the same as the Nakamichi gauge. Maybe Nakamichi made the "complicated" gauges themselves, but left this gauge to be made by A-BEX or someone else. Can anyone verify where any of the Nakamichi gauges were produced? *andy* From orders at pennysconstruction.com Wed Mar 5 14:00:16 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:00:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Would you earth a Nak? References: <704004.50983.bm@omp216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1C06660602594EB191ADE9FD26165155@number2> I don't completely understand all of what you asked about, also I have to run out to work. I do have a couple of thoughts. The first amp was double insulated so there is no connection to earth ground. To me it sounded like your problem is coming from the ground connection. So you have to ask why, and if that is correct. The why's: Perhaps the grounding circuit is not complete. Just because you plug a grounded plug into the receptacle it does not mean it is working properly. For example it may be disconnected at the water pipe connection point, or anywhere else in the path. This can be tested with a simple continuity tester. A second thought that sometimes happens is that the ground circuit conductors may be being used as a branch circuit conductor. This happens when an un-qualified person does the electrical work. This is harder to figure out. A 3rd idea is that the circuit conductors or ground conductor are picking up currant from other branch circuits. Both the last two thoughts can be tested by using an extension cord plugged in, right next to the circuit breaker panel. And perhaps rigging a completely separate ground path. A dedicated, isolated ground, branch circuit might be a simple answer. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: cjlovesjazz To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 4:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] Would you earth a Nak? This is an odd one, and I wouldn't ask the question here if I hadn't already tried other avenues. This is a bit long too - apologies. There is a component on my central heating boiler which genenerates RFI, thank God not all the time. Using a contact suppressor on the room thermostat failed to stop the noise and so I'm certain it's at the boiler end. The gas company don't acknowledge that there is any fault ("the boiler can't produce radio frequencies") and the central heating works OK so they won't do anything. For safety reasons, I can't touch it. So I have to try to cure the symptoms and not the root cause, which is frustrating. Mains conditioners and uprated mains cables have failed to reject the noise, so I've concluded the noise is not mains borne and it's probably getting into the system via phono cables. I have to say that the RFI only became a nuisance when I stopped using my Marantz amplifiers (double insulated units) and started using an Arcam Alpha 6 (needs to be earthed). So first I have to check that the amp is properly earthed (using my less-than-perfect logic). It has a moulded plug so I can't tell, so I run a separate earth to another plug to be sure. The noise is louder - just as it is using the uprated mains cable which I KNOW has an earth connection. My mains distribution board has a solid earth connection - oh, I checked that. With just the amp and speakers connected (no sources) I get no interference at all, so the speaker cables aren't acting as an antenna. I start with the CD player and with just mains connected, no interference, but interference returns once phono cables are connected (strangely this is almost completely elminated when I use skinny out-of-the-box leads instead of the QED Qunex 1's I routinely use). Exactly the same repeats with my DVD player - skinny leads give almost no noise. My turntable uses lightweight leads anyway and is earthed to the brass terminal on the back of the amp - it produces no noise that I can detect. Connecting my digital TV receiver produces no detectable noise because again I use skinny leads because sound quality has never been a priority for this source. I had an Aiwa cassette deck in the system and despite it being a double insulated unit, I had the feeling it was not correctly earthed because I got that back-to-the-70's feeling when I rubbed my finger along the top of the facia and felt a tingling sensation. I also realised that that the mains cable is about 8 feet/2.5 metres long so this seemed like it would make a good antenna, especially as the deck sits in the line of sight of the boiler and is the closest component to it. So, I replaced it with one of my BX-300E's. I still get some interference with skinny leads (but not as much as I did with the heavier leads I routinely use with my decks). The mains lead to the Nak has no earth lead and the deck does not have the double insulated symbol on the casing. The question - finally - is whether it's advisable to earth the Nak to the brass terminal on the amp that the turntable curently uses? It may be that this wouldn't cure the noise anyway but I wanted to make sure I could do no harm by trying. I've anyone is still reading - and can help - a big thank you. Imagine, all this nice equipment and quality interconnects and my music gets interrupted by a sound like a hornet buzzing round. Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Mar 5 15:10:25 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:10:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Would you earth a Nak? In-Reply-To: <704004.50983.bm@omp216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <704004.50983.bm@omp216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47CEA9D1.9060708@rcn.com> Your description would lead one to suspect a ground loop problem. To test whether this is correct, try lifting all grounds in the system, except for the power amp power line connection. If this results in a significant reduction (or elimination) of the noise, then redressing grounds can resolve the problem. -- Ron cjlovesjazz wrote: > This is an odd one, and I wouldn't ask the question here if I hadn't > already tried other avenues. This is a bit long too - apologies. > > There is a component on my central heating boiler which genenerates RFI, > thank God not all the time. Using a contact suppressor on the room > thermostat failed to stop the noise and so I'm certain it's at the > boiler end. The gas company don't acknowledge that there is any fault > ("the boiler can't produce radio frequencies") and the central heating > works OK so they won't do anything. For safety reasons, I can't touch it. > > So I have to try to cure the symptoms and not the root cause, which is > frustrating. > > Mains conditioners and uprated mains cables have failed to reject the > noise, so I've concluded the noise is not mains borne and it's probably > getting into the system via phono cables. I have to say that the RFI > only became a nuisance when I stopped using my Marantz amplifiers > (double insulated units) and started using an Arcam Alpha 6 (needs to be > earthed). > > So first I have to check that the amp is properly earthed (using my > less-than-perfect logic). It has a moulded plug so I can't tell, so I > run a separate earth to another plug to be sure. The noise is louder - > just as it is using the uprated mains cable which I KNOW has an earth > connection. My mains distribution board has a solid earth connection - > oh, I checked that. > > With just the amp and speakers connected (no sources) I get no > interference at all, so the speaker cables aren't acting as an antenna. > I start with the CD player and with just mains connected, no > interference, but interference returns once phono cables are connected > (strangely this is almost completely elminated when I use skinny > out-of-the-box leads instead of the QED Qunex 1's I routinely use). > Exactly the same repeats with my DVD player - skinny leads give almost > no noise. My turntable uses lightweight leads anyway and is earthed to > the brass terminal on the back of the amp - it produces no noise that I > can detect. > > Connecting my digital TV receiver produces no detectable noise because > again I use skinny leads because sound quality has never been a priority > for this source. > > I had an Aiwa cassette deck in the system and despite it being a double > insulated unit, I had the feeling it was not correctly earthed because I > got that back-to-the-70's feeling when I rubbed my finger along the top > of the facia and felt a tingling sensation. I also realised that that > the mains cable is about 8 feet/2.5 metres long so this seemed like it > would make a good antenna, especially as the deck sits in the line of > sight of the boiler and is the closest component to it. > > So, I replaced it with one of my BX-300E's. I still get some > interference with skinny leads (but not as much as I did with the > heavier leads I routinely use with my decks). The mains lead to the Nak > has no earth lead and the deck does not have the double insulated symbol > on the casing. > > The question - finally - is whether it's advisable to earth the Nak to > the brass terminal on the amp that the turntable curently uses? It may > be that this wouldn't cure the noise anyway but I wanted to make sure I > could do no harm by trying. > > I've anyone is still reading - and can help - a big thank you. Imagine, > all this nice equipment and quality interconnects and my music gets > interrupted by a sound like a hornet buzzing round. > > Chris > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Mar 5 15:14:59 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:14:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Not Playing - Need Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47CEAAE3.8080601@rcn.com> Possibly, a control motor issue. See if the cam is not stuck just before its correct position. -- Ron Mercedes Benz wrote: > Hi everyone! > > My friend has got a BX300 which he had been using until recently but now > it has stopped playing the tapes. > > When the play button is pressed nothing happens, the transport does not > move up, also nothing happens when the Rewind button is pressed. Fast > Forward, however, does work. > > Any thoughts as to what might be wrong with it, any possible causes? > > Thanks & best regards, > Nadeem From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 4 17:20:38 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:20:38 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Tape brands. Message-ID: <29053236.1204647639005.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I use MX-S as my metal reference as well. Are you saying that TDK Pro SM and maxell Metal capsule are metal tapes that do not have similar bias points? I didn't know that could happen. They might be some sort of ferric cobalt tape? Is there any sort of chart that might show relative bias points of metal cassettes? I recall Stereo Review used to publish graphs when they reviewed blank tape. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Fetner >Sent: Mar 3, 2008 7:40 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Tape brands. > >Well, after giving *andy* (sorry again, *andy*) a >scare that maybe somebody monkeyed with the internal >bias settings previously, I finally found a tape that >sounded correct to the source. > >I have sealed lots of Maxell Metal Capsule and TDK Pro >SM blank tapes. As it turns out, the recently restored >RX-505 (by *andy*) absolutely HATES both these tapes >on their respective settings. > >However, the Maxell MX-S tapes I have from yrs ago >sound absolutely faithful to the source (on the 505's >'ZX' setting), after I bulked erased them to start the >test. I can't afford the going price on ebay for MX-S >tapes. > >What would you guys suggest I use for Type IV metal >and Type II chrome tapes on the RX-505? > >Kevin Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From robertweber at telus.net Sun Mar 2 17:51:23 2008 From: robertweber at telus.net (Robert) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 08:51:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] FW: TAPE CURLING AND EDGE DAMAGE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ---------- From: Robert Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:05:58 -0800 To: Subject: TAPE CURLING AND EDGE DAMAGE HELLO EVERYONE! Has anyone else noticed that your tapes are getting curled and the edges are getting pinched. I have a BX300 and a CR3. The CR3 does it the worst. Both pinch rollers in both machines have been thoroughly cleaned with rubber renew. The BX 300 has been lubed. Both sound perfect although there is a little bit of drop out when recording very high frequency steady tones from a Test CD. The problem is with edge damage to the tapes. The first problem was with the CR3. I found that the CR3 will take a brand new tape and after a number of playings will begin to curl and scallop the edges of the tape. The tape edges look as if they have been pinched. This when tested this causes some dropouts. When I put in a mirror tape, the tape floats then swims down to ride within the rec/play head guides. I did not fiddle with the CR3 yet. I am a bit scared of messing it up. Then to my horror I found that some of the cassettes played on my BX300 also have their edges crunched and curled! (The mirror tape in the BX 300 shows that the tape is accurately aligned with tape guides and does not have to "swim" into posistion. It is so weird. I thought that it was based on the brand of tape. However, some TDK's (that have been played a lot) are fine some are a mess. Some Maxell's are a mess and some are OK on one side only. The BASF's seem OK but I have not checked a lot of them. Then I checked tapes that have been played over and over again only in the car. They are in perfect condition. Is that crazy, a 19 year old Clarion car deck treats the tapes with Kid gloves while the super high end Nakamichi's wreck them? The take up torque on the BX 300 was way too low and variably wobbly. This has been adjusted to be within 50-60 g/cm (still wobbly). The take up torque on the CR3 is within spec. and is less wobbly. Both have had the gear driven take up reel kit installed. Is there a way to fix this? Does it involve new belts? Does it involve new pinch rollers? Is it better to play the tapes in a cheap two-head deck without all the guides that the tape has to go through? Thank you kindly for your assistance. Robert Weber From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Mar 5 20:58:40 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:58:40 EST Subject: [naktalk] FW: TAPE CURLING AND EDGE DAMAGE Message-ID: In a message dated 3/5/2008 8:16:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, robertweber at telus.net writes: Has anyone else noticed that your tapes are getting curled and the edges are getting pinched. I have a BX300 and a CR3. The CR3 does it the worst. Both pinch rollers in both machines have been thoroughly cleaned with rubber renew. The BX 300 has been lubed. Both sound perfect although there is a little bit of drop out when recording very high frequency steady tones from a Test CD. Replace the tape tension belt. They tend to be getting old on these models and can cause similar problems. I bought one deck which had similar problems to yours and the rubber of the tape tension belt had melted and made a gooey mess. Also, Rubber Renue shouldn't be the final cleaner on your pinch rollers. It leaves a residue. Clean them with isopropyl alcohol or head cleaner after applying the Rubber Renue to get this residue off. There may be other problems with your decks, but I'd start with this. For the high frequency drop out, have you de-magged your deck? Also, high frequency response can be calibrated in the BX-300 and CR-3. Check the sections of the service manuals for Frequency Response Adjustment. It's not very difficult if you can feed the decks the correct test tones - like from your test CD. Jeff W **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 5 18:08:05 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:08:05 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Head Alignment Gauge. . Who Made It? Message-ID: <3984826.1204736885370.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Doug, The DA9092 gauge was recommended for the 500/700/1000 decks. it is what I call the "Information Terminals M100".I don't know who actually made it. It's use is superceeded by the more complex Nakamichi gauges. I would call this a "manual" version of the guide height+tilt (erase and R/P)+head penetration gauges. To do all these things requires removing the transport and manually moving the mech into play mode. The tilt adjustment is done by eyeball with a good backlight. I am bidding on this as it would be very worthwhile to clone for our NakGauges project. The gauge Victor is working on is the 3M version of this. I daresay there ought to be an ample supply of these in old cassette duplication labs in universities, churches, and libraries, if one can ask the right person. That the Pentagon gauge is $995 is sobering. 2 years ago a NakTalk thread described that Nakamichi made the black gauges in-house. The dealer service packages in my day were $800 for the tapes and first generation gauges, and $600 for the 2nd generation (Sankyo ) gauges. nakamichi stated they were "1/2 price". tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Doug Guth >Sent: Mar 5, 2008 6:45 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] RE: Head Alignment Gauge. . Who Made It? > > Hello Andy, >I have the Nakamichi Gauge on eBay right now and while I purchased this one originally from Nakamichi with my "Dealer Service Station Package" I do think that it is made by another party. Before and during my Hi-End HiFi years I worked at a recording studio aligning recorders and servicing their cassette duplication facility. Before they got into the "bin-loop" cassette duplicators they used Pentagon Cassette Duplicators. Pentagon sold a service kit with the same head and tape guide alignment gauge (in the wooden box) and a torque watch to check take-up tension. At 16x speed a torque cassette is useless. :o) Here is the link to the Pentagon Kit: http://www.pentagonservice.com/Gauge.html My current employment is with a commercial AV integrator and they have giant sized alignment gauges for alignment of the old broadcast standard VTRs like Umatic. > >Thanks, >Doug >P.s. The Dealer Alignment Gauge and Test Tape price Sheets that I scanned and posted were the special "New" dealer packages. Their published prices for the tapes and gauges in their regular parts list were many times higher. > >-----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net [mailto:hwbosshoss at comcast.net] >Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:34 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Who Made It? > > >I'm sure most of you know that there is a Nakamichi DA09092A Head Alignment Gauge on eBay right now. > >Although I don't have this gauge in my collection, I won't be bidding on it. > >I have an A-BEX THG-801 gauge (complete with snazzy wooden storage box!) that looks almost exactly like it. > >This got me to thinking (uh-oh, here we go again!)... > >Did Nakamichi actually make their gauges, or were they produced by a third party, such as A-BEX? > >My A-BEX gauge has horizontal guide marks in what appear to be the exact same minimum/maximum/zero levels at the same two positions as the marks on the Nakamichi gauge. My gauge is different, however, in that each horizontal mark is labeled "MIN" "MAX" or "O", whereas the Nakamichi gauge simply has the lines. > >My gauge also has exactly the same pencil-shaped alignment jig. > >The upper corners of my A-BEX are not quite as rounded as the upper corners on the Nakamichi gauge, and the three counter-sunk screws near the bottom that hold the back plate of the gauge are not in quite the same position as the three screws on the bottom of the Nakamichi gauge. > >Aside from these very minor differences, my gauge looks and works exactly the same as the Nakamichi gauge. > >Maybe Nakamichi made the "complicated" gauges themselves, but left this gauge to be made by A-BEX or someone else. > >Can anyone verify where any of the Nakamichi gauges were produced? > > >*andy* > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 5 18:12:17 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:12:17 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 MK2- Problems/Questions Message-ID: <32009888.1204737137962.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The side A side B issue could be a guide height problem combined with take up torque, or simply a torque problem. Worn pinch rollers could also cause this. Check the pinch rollers yourself with a straight edge and a strong backlight. If the light has a curved edge he pinch rollers are worn. I have these in stock. The counter is a slipping belt. I would purchase a belt kit through Marrs Communications on eBay. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: DB >Sent: Mar 5, 2008 12:24 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 MK2- Problems/Questions > >Hi Folks > >I recently became the proud owner of a 1000 MK2. (ebay special) This >was supposed to have been working well but, surprise surprise, there >are a few issues. If anyone has any input, that would be most >appreciated!! > >It looks like the tape counter has stopped running. This may be >linked to the second problem, which is this- the unit plays the B side >of all my tapes fine, but chews up and rips apart the tape on the A >side. Have you ever heard of this happening? Could it be a problem >with the belts? > >Sorry if these questions are amateurish/annoying; I just did a cursory >search of the archives and couldn't find anything. > >Anywho- Long Live Analog!! > >-mike >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 3 15:40:25 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:40:25 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Unusual T-100 on German E-bay Message-ID: <14971646.1204555225372.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Nick, That is a very nice piece!! Balanced inputs and outputs, and an additional phase meter! tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: modernizy at netscape.net >Sent: Mar 2, 2008 1:45 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Unusual T-100 on German E-bay > >Hello, Nak fans > >Just came across a very strange Nak T-100 at German E-bay with the reference >to Studer Revox. >Have anybody seen such a thing before? What auxiliary functions are built in >this device? >http://cgi.ebay.de/STUDER-REVOX-NAKAMICHI-T-100-SPEZIAL-ANFERTIGUNG-UNIKAT_W0QQitemZ250221668808QQihZ015QQcategoryZ19604QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >Thank you in advance for any information. > > With the very best wishes to everybody, > >Nick. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 3 15:49:40 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:49:40 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] 580 Series Question Message-ID: <5956759.1204555780735.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -----Original Message----- >From: Tom Brucker >Sent: Mar 3, 2008 8:38 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 580 Series Question > > >Andy, > The bulletin came out while those models were still in production. The 580 preceeded the 582 and 680 by as much as 6 months, so the latter models were probably modified by Nakamichi. > > >tom brucker >-----Original Message----- >>From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >>Sent: Mar 2, 2008 7:26 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] 580 Series Question >> >> >>Thanks to everyone who replied. >> >>I knew about the Stop lamp issue, but I was curious because in my experience the 580 series decks seem to have this failure more often than other decks. I just keep seeing or reading about this happening in the 580 decks. I was wondering if there was some anomaly unique to that series' circuitry that caused this more often than in other decks. >> >> >>*andy* > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 5 18:33:24 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:33:24 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] FW: TAPE CURLING AND EDGE DAMAGE Message-ID: <31819300.1204738404203.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Robert, Excessive take up torque can cause tape curl at the tape's first few minutes. While a torque cassette is the too used to measure torque, a deck with this problem can be adjusted down until the problem clears up. On dual capstan mechanisms with a capstan belt, a too thick or too tight belt can also cause tape curl. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Robert >Sent: Mar 2, 2008 10:51 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] FW: TAPE CURLING AND EDGE DAMAGE > > >---------- >From: Robert >Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:05:58 -0800 >To: >Subject: TAPE CURLING AND EDGE DAMAGE > >HELLO EVERYONE! > >Has anyone else noticed that your tapes are getting curled and the edges are >getting pinched. I have a BX300 and a CR3. The CR3 does it the worst. >Both pinch rollers in both machines have been thoroughly cleaned with rubber >renew. The BX 300 has been lubed. Both sound perfect although there is a >little bit of drop out when recording very high frequency steady tones from >a Test CD. > > The problem is with edge damage to the tapes. The > first problem was with >the CR3. I found that the CR3 will take a brand new >tape and after a number >of playings will begin to curl and scallop the edges > of the tape. The tape > edges look as if they have been pinched. This when >tested this causes some >dropouts. When I put in a mirror tape, the tape >floats then swims down to >ride within the rec/play head guides. I did not >fiddle with the CR3 yet. I >am a bit scared of messing it up. > >Then to my horror I found that some of the cassettes >played on my BX300 >also have their edges crunched and curled! (The >mirror tape in the BX 300 >shows that the tape is accurately aligned with tape > guides and does not have >to "swim" into posistion. It is so weird. I >thought >that it was based on the brand of tape. However, >some TDK's (that have >been played a lot) are fine some are a mess. Some >Maxell's are a mess and >some are OK on one side only. The BASF's seem OK >but I have not checked a >lot of them. Then I checked tapes that have been >played over and over >again only in the car. They are in perfect >condition. Is that crazy, a 19 >year old Clarion car deck treats the tapes with Kid >gloves while the super > high end Nakamichi's wreck them? > >The take up torque on the BX 300 was way too low and >variably wobbly. This >has been adjusted to be within 50-60 g/cm (still >wobbly). The take up >torque on the CR3 is within spec. and is less wobbly. >Both have had the gear >driven take up reel kit installed. > >Is there a way to fix this? Does it involve new >belts? Does it involve new >pinch rollers? > >Is it better to play the tapes in a cheap two-head >deck without all the >guides that the tape has to go through? > >Thank you kindly for your assistance. > >Robert Weber > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Wed Mar 5 19:32:00 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 18:32:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Not Playing - Need Help In-Reply-To: <47CEAAE3.8080601@rcn.com> References: <47CEAAE3.8080601@rcn.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, I will check that but it still does not explain why Fast Forward still works. Please correct me if I am wrong but I thought that the control motor is reponsible for operating this function too. Regards, Nadeem > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:14:59 -0500> From: ra.ah at rcn.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 Not Playing - Need Help> > > Possibly, a control motor issue. See if the> cam is not stuck just before its correct> position.> > -- Ron> > > > Mercedes Benz wrote:> > Hi everyone!> > > > My friend has got a BX300 which he had been using until recently but now > > it has stopped playing the tapes.> > > > When the play button is pressed nothing happens, the transport does not > > move up, also nothing happens when the Rewind button is pressed. Fast > > Forward, however, does work.> > > > Any thoughts as to what might be wrong with it, any possible causes?> > > > Thanks & best regards,> > Nadeem> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Share what Santa brought you https://www.mycooluncool.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 5 17:19:54 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:19:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Would you earth a Nak? In-Reply-To: <704004.50983.bm@omp216.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <658760.6340.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Chris, You have deter minded that the interference is RFI since a cable change "changes" the RFI. It sounds like the RFI is getting onto the shield of the cables. You can try to change the length of the cables because they might be a multiple of a 1/2 or maybe a 1/4 wavelength of the interfering frequency which also includes the casings of the components. Adding a ground rod and grounding all the equipment together may solve this. Are the components located where you could run a heavy ground wire outside connected to a long (6 or 8 foot) ground rod? The idea of this is to bypass the RFI to ground. Another source you may check is wrapping cables etc around ferrite rods of the correct mixture. A company that makes these rods and toroid's is "amadon" I may have the spelling wrong. I'll try to find some info today. This is the best I can guess since I don't understand the boiler heating systems. Bob N cjlovesjazz wrote: This is an odd one, and I wouldn't ask the question here if I hadn't already tried other avenues. This is a bit long too - apologies. There is a component on my central heating boiler which genenerates RFI, thank God not all the time. Using a contact suppressor on the room thermostat failed to stop the noise and so I'm certain it's at the boiler end. The gas company don't acknowledge that there is any fault ("the boiler can't produce radio frequencies") and the central heating works OK so they won't do anything. For safety reasons, I can't touch it. So I have to try to cure the symptoms and not the root cause, which is frustrating. Mains conditioners and uprated mains cables have failed to reject the noise, so I've concluded the noise is not mains borne and it's probably getting into the system via phono cables. I have to say that the RFI only became a nuisance when I stopped using my Marantz amplifiers (double insulated units) and started using an Arcam Alpha 6 (needs to be earthed). So first I have to check that the amp is properly earthed (using my less-than-perfect logic). It has a moulded plug so I can't tell, so I run a separate earth to another plug to be sure. The noise is louder - just as it is using the uprated mains cable which I KNOW has an earth connection. My mains distribution board has a solid earth connection - oh, I checked that. With just the amp and speakers connected (no sources) I get no interference at all, so the speaker cables aren't acting as an antenna. I start with the CD player and with just mains connected, no interference, but interference returns once phono cables are connected (strangely this is almost completely elminated when I use skinny out-of-the-box leads instead of the QED Qunex 1's I routinely use). Exactly the same repeats with my DVD player - skinny leads give almost no noise. My turntable uses lightweight leads anyway and is earthed to the brass terminal on the back of the amp - it produces no noise that I can detect. Connecting my digital TV receiver produces no detectable noise because again I use skinny leads because sound quality has never been a priority for this source. I had an Aiwa cassette deck in the system and despite it being a double insulated unit, I had the feeling it was not correctly earthed because I got that back-to-the-70's feeling when I rubbed my finger along the top of the facia and felt a tingling sensation. I also realised that that the mains cable is about 8 feet/2.5 metres long so this seemed like it would make a good antenna, especially as the deck sits in the line of sight of the boiler and is the closest component to it. So, I replaced it with one of my BX-300E's. I still get some interference with skinny leads (but not as much as I did with the heavier leads I routinely use with my decks). The mains lead to the Nak has no earth lead and the deck does not have the double insulated symbol on the casing. The question - finally - is whether it's advisable to earth the Nak to the brass terminal on the amp that the turntable curently uses? It may be that this wouldn't cure the noise anyway but I wanted to make sure I could do no harm by trying. I've anyone is still reading - and can help - a big thank you. Imagine, all this nice equipment and quality interconnects and my music gets interrupted by a sound like a hornet buzzing round. Chris ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dister.bunty at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 01:25:16 2008 From: dister.bunty at gmail.com (DB) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 16:25:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 MK2- Problems/Questions In-Reply-To: <32009888.1204737137962.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <32009888.1204737137962.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: thanks so much, guys This is really helpful. I've found now that it eats the tapes on both sides! Just a matter of time before it needs a replace of the rollers. I'm going ot try cleaning it and then the straight-edge/light test Tom has so kindly recommended. I fear a full-on belt replacement!! Maybe time to start looking for repair services!! Thanks!! -mike. On 3/5/08, Tom Brucker wrote: > The side A side B issue could be a guide height problem combined with take up torque, or simply a torque problem. Worn pinch rollers could also cause this. Check the pinch rollers yourself with a straight edge and a strong backlight. If the light has a curved edge he pinch rollers are worn. I have these in stock. The counter is a slipping belt. I would purchase a belt kit through Marrs Communications on eBay. > > tom brucker > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: DB > > >Sent: Mar 5, 2008 12:24 AM > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 MK2- Problems/Questions > > > >Hi Folks > > > >I recently became the proud owner of a 1000 MK2. (ebay special) This > >was supposed to have been working well but, surprise surprise, there > >are a few issues. If anyone has any input, that would be most > >appreciated!! > > > >It looks like the tape counter has stopped running. This may be > >linked to the second problem, which is this- the unit plays the B side > >of all my tapes fine, but chews up and rips apart the tape on the A > >side. Have you ever heard of this happening? Could it be a problem > >with the belts? > > > >Sorry if these questions are amateurish/annoying; I just did a cursory > >search of the archives and couldn't find anything. > > > >Anywho- Long Live Analog!! > > > >-mike > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 6 05:43:46 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:43:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Not Playing - Need Help In-Reply-To: References: <47CEAAE3.8080601@rcn.com> Message-ID: <47CF7682.6080705@rcn.com> That's correct, it does. however, it is possible for the cam to freely go to one position, yet get stuck when trying to go to another. I am not saying this is definitely the fault -- just that it is possible. Since it's easy to check, this is the first thing I would do. Good luck, -- Ron Mercedes Benz wrote: > Hi Ron, > > I will check that but it still does not explain why Fast Forward still > works. > Please correct me if I am wrong but I thought that the control motor > is reponsible for operating this function too. > > Regards, > Nadeem > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:14:59 -0500 > > From: ra.ah at rcn.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 Not Playing - Need Help > > > > > > Possibly, a control motor issue. See if the > > cam is not stuck just before its correct > > position. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Mercedes Benz wrote: > > > Hi everyone! > > > > > > My friend has got a BX300 which he had been using until recently > but now > > > it has stopped playing the tapes. > > > > > > When the play button is pressed nothing happens, the transport does > not > > > move up, also nothing happens when the Rewind button is pressed. Fast > > > Forward, however, does work. > > > > > > Any thoughts as to what might be wrong with it, any possible causes? > > > > > > Thanks & best regards, > > > Nadeem > > From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 6 13:02:02 2008 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (cjlovesjazz) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:02:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Would you earth a Nak - thank you! Message-ID: <311360.45571.bm@omp221.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To Christopher, Mike, Ron and Bob Before I have the opportunity to try any of your suggestions, I'd like to say thank you for taking the time not only to read my tract but to give me so many ideas. There is a common thread there and I can't ignore the possibility that the builders of this 5-year old house did a less than perfect grounding job on some sockets. If you saw how they'd wired my phone, my kitchen ceiling lights and my TV antenna socket you would laugh - or maybe you wouldn't. Perhaps I should shelve my current idea of buying a CR-3E and concentrate on making everything else sound as good as I know it can... By the way, this made me smile today so I wanted to share it: I asked a guy listing a CR-3E on eBay about how well the controls, meters, lamps etc all worked as his description was very limited. He obviously needed to familiarise himself with the deck to reply - he found he liked it so much he withdrew it from sale. I pointed him to www.naks.com to appreciate how much these decks are still cherished. We may soon have another list member... Best wishes Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Thu Mar 6 13:25:01 2008 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:25:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Head Alignment Gauge. . Who Made It? In-Reply-To: <3984826.1204736885370.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <3984826.1204736885370.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD4232D17FBA1@mail.mmsav.com> Hi Tom, The DA9092 was also used in the two-head Naks. Thanks for all the info! Doug -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brucker [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:08 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: nakgauges at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Head Alignment Gauge. . Who Made It? Doug, The DA9092 gauge was recommended for the 500/700/1000 decks. it is what I call the "Information Terminals M100".I don't know who actually made it. It's use is superceeded by the more complex Nakamichi gauges. I would call this a "manual" version of the guide height+tilt (erase and R/P)+head penetration gauges. To do all these things requires removing the transport and manually moving the mech into play mode. The tilt adjustment is done by eyeball with a good backlight. I am bidding on this as it would be very worthwhile to clone for our NakGauges project. The gauge Victor is working on is the 3M version of this. I daresay there ought to be an ample supply of these in old cassette duplication labs in universities, churches, and libraries, if one can ask the right person. That the Pentagon gauge is $995 is sobering. 2 years ago a NakTalk thread described that Nakamichi made the black gauges in-house. The dealer service packages in my day were $800 for the tapes and first generation gauges, and $600 for the 2nd generation (Sankyo ) gauges. nakamichi stated they were "1/2 price". tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Doug Guth >Sent: Mar 5, 2008 6:45 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] RE: Head Alignment Gauge. . Who Made It? > > Hello Andy, >I have the Nakamichi Gauge on eBay right now and while I purchased this one originally from Nakamichi with my "Dealer Service Station Package" I do think that it is made by another party. Before and during my Hi-End HiFi years I worked at a recording studio aligning recorders and servicing their cassette duplication facility. Before they got into the "bin-loop" cassette duplicators they used Pentagon Cassette Duplicators. Pentagon sold a service kit with the same head and tape guide alignment gauge (in the wooden box) and a torque watch to check take-up tension. At 16x speed a torque cassette is useless. :o) Here is the link to the Pentagon Kit: http://www.pentagonservice.com/Gauge.html My current employment is with a commercial AV integrator and they have giant sized alignment gauges for alignment of the old broadcast standard VTRs like Umatic. > >Thanks, >Doug >P.s. The Dealer Alignment Gauge and Test Tape price Sheets that I scanned and posted were the special "New" dealer packages. Their published prices for the tapes and gauges in their regular parts list were many times higher. > >-----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net [mailto:hwbosshoss at comcast.net] >Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:34 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Who Made It? > > >I'm sure most of you know that there is a Nakamichi DA09092A Head Alignment Gauge on eBay right now. > >Although I don't have this gauge in my collection, I won't be bidding on it. > >I have an A-BEX THG-801 gauge (complete with snazzy wooden storage box!) that looks almost exactly like it. > >This got me to thinking (uh-oh, here we go again!)... > >Did Nakamichi actually make their gauges, or were they produced by a third party, such as A-BEX? > >My A-BEX gauge has horizontal guide marks in what appear to be the exact same minimum/maximum/zero levels at the same two positions as the marks on the Nakamichi gauge. My gauge is different, however, in that each horizontal mark is labeled "MIN" "MAX" or "O", whereas the Nakamichi gauge simply has the lines. > >My gauge also has exactly the same pencil-shaped alignment jig. > >The upper corners of my A-BEX are not quite as rounded as the upper corners on the Nakamichi gauge, and the three counter-sunk screws near the bottom that hold the back plate of the gauge are not in quite the same position as the three screws on the bottom of the Nakamichi gauge. > >Aside from these very minor differences, my gauge looks and works exactly the same as the Nakamichi gauge. > >Maybe Nakamichi made the "complicated" gauges themselves, but left this gauge to be made by A-BEX or someone else. > >Can anyone verify where any of the Nakamichi gauges were produced? > > >*andy* > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------====== >=== Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From musicpen at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 14:34:27 2008 From: musicpen at gmail.com (Bret Crane) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 08:34:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Repair in or near KY.,USA Message-ID: <2dee89c50803060534p2ecf84aer4bebbc0c30976859@mail.gmail.com> I need to find a "good" repair service I can realistically drive to in or around the greater Kentuky,USA area.I need my Nak. Dragon serviced and ,GAS Thaedra and Ampzilla repaired and modified.They are my "babies" so "I am protective of them.You know.Thanks,Bret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Mar 6 15:46:47 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 06:46:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <200803061103.m26B1Rul007365@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <397254.75074.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Tom, The Maxell Capsule is Type IV metal, the TDK Pro SM is Type II chrome. Jeff W suggested I get a test tone tape and try to re-bias the deck. I haven't looked in the Service Manual yet to see if a lay person can do this without instruments. I'd hate to get rid of all these new tapes and like I said, the MX-S tapes sounds great. It's unlikely however, I'm going to find MX-S tapes at anywhere near earthly prices. Yeah, if anybody know where a chart is online of different tape bias points, please speak up?! Kevin > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:20:38 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape brands. > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <29053236.1204647639005.JavaMail.root at elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I use MX-S as my metal reference as well. Are you > saying that TDK Pro SM and maxell Metal capsule are > metal tapes that do not have similar bias points? I > didn't know that could happen. They might be some > sort of ferric cobalt tape? Is there any sort of > chart that might show relative bias points of metal > cassettes? I recall Stereo Review used to publish > graphs when they reviewed blank tape. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Kevin Fetner > >Sent: Mar 3, 2008 7:40 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Tape brands. > > > >Well, after giving *andy* (sorry again, *andy*) a > >scare that maybe somebody monkeyed with the > internal > >bias settings previously, I finally found a tape > that > >sounded correct to the source. > > > >I have sealed lots of Maxell Metal Capsule and TDK > Pro > >SM blank tapes. As it turns out, the recently > restored > >RX-505 (by *andy*) absolutely HATES both these > tapes > >on their respective settings. > > > >However, the Maxell MX-S tapes I have from yrs ago > >sound absolutely faithful to the source (on the > 505's > >'ZX' setting), after I bulked erased them to start > the > >test. I can't afford the going price on ebay for > MX-S > >tapes. > > > >What would you guys suggest I use for Type IV metal > >and Type II chrome tapes on the RX-505? > > > >Kevin > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Mar 6 15:51:39 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 06:51:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape brands In-Reply-To: <200803061103.m26B1Rul007365@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <766576.9094.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> (Sorry Wouter, hope the first post got deleted-had the wrong subject line.) Hi Tom, The Maxell Capsule is Type IV metal, the TDK Pro SM is Type II chrome. Jeff W suggested I get a test tone tape and try to re-bias the deck. I haven't looked in the Service Manual yet to see if a lay person can do this without instruments. I'd hate to get rid of all these new tapes and like I said, the MX-S tapes sounds great. It's unlikely however, I'm going to find MX-S tapes at anywhere near earthly prices. Yeah, if anybody know where a chart is online of different tape bias points, please speak up?! Kevin > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:20:38 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape brands. > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <29053236.1204647639005.JavaMail.root at elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I use MX-S as my metal reference as well. Are you > saying that TDK Pro SM and maxell Metal capsule are > metal tapes that do not have similar bias points? I > didn't know that could happen. They might be some > sort of ferric cobalt tape? Is there any sort of > chart that might show relative bias points of metal > cassettes? I recall Stereo Review used to publish > graphs when they reviewed blank tape. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Kevin Fetner > >Sent: Mar 3, 2008 7:40 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Tape brands. > > > >Well, after giving *andy* (sorry again, *andy*) a > >scare that maybe somebody monkeyed with the > internal > >bias settings previously, I finally found a tape > that > >sounded correct to the source. > > > >I have sealed lots of Maxell Metal Capsule and TDK > Pro > >SM blank tapes. As it turns out, the recently > restored > >RX-505 (by *andy*) absolutely HATES both these > tapes > >on their respective settings. > > > >However, the Maxell MX-S tapes I have from yrs ago > >sound absolutely faithful to the source (on the > 505's > >'ZX' setting), after I bulked erased them to start > the > >test. I can't afford the going price on ebay for > MX-S > >tapes. > > > >What would you guys suggest I use for Type IV metal > >and Type II chrome tapes on the RX-505? > > > >Kevin > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Thu Mar 6 16:02:17 2008 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:02:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 MK2- Problems/Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <567732.43336.qm@web55109.mail.re4.yahoo.com> If you are looking for repair service, contact Andy at hwbosshoss at comcast.net. I found him on naktalk, he comes highly recommended, will give you a lot of advice via email, and I am about to send him my CR-7A for repair. Jayson jmlevitz at yahoo.com DB wrote: thanks so much, guys This is really helpful. I've found now that it eats the tapes on both sides! Just a matter of time before it needs a replace of the rollers. I'm going ot try cleaning it and then the straight-edge/light test Tom has so kindly recommended. I fear a full-on belt replacement!! Maybe time to start looking for repair services!! Thanks!! -mike. On 3/5/08, Tom Brucker wrote: > The side A side B issue could be a guide height problem combined with take up torque, or simply a torque problem. Worn pinch rollers could also cause this. Check the pinch rollers yourself with a straight edge and a strong backlight. If the light has a curved edge he pinch rollers are worn. I have these in stock. The counter is a slipping belt. I would purchase a belt kit through Marrs Communications on eBay. > > tom brucker > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: DB > > >Sent: Mar 5, 2008 12:24 AM > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 MK2- Problems/Questions > > > >Hi Folks > > > >I recently became the proud owner of a 1000 MK2. (ebay special) This > >was supposed to have been working well but, surprise surprise, there > >are a few issues. If anyone has any input, that would be most > >appreciated!! > > > >It looks like the tape counter has stopped running. This may be > >linked to the second problem, which is this- the unit plays the B side > >of all my tapes fine, but chews up and rips apart the tape on the A > >side. Have you ever heard of this happening? Could it be a problem > >with the belts? > > > >Sorry if these questions are amateurish/annoying; I just did a cursory > >search of the archives and couldn't find anything. > > > >Anywho- Long Live Analog!! > > > >-mike > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 6 16:45:41 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:45:41 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Audio Repair in or near KY.,USA Message-ID: <24012006.1204818341419.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hazel_m at bellsouth.net Fri Mar 7 02:11:25 2008 From: hazel_m at bellsouth.net (Mike Hazel) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 20:11:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Repair in or near KY.,USA In-Reply-To: <2dee89c50803060534p2ecf84aer4bebbc0c30976859@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c87ff0$2acf0cb0$6001a8c0@SonyLaptop> Hi Bret, You might want to contact Charlie or Marlene at Magnetic Tape Recorder Service, located in Louisville, (502) 587-1848. I've used them in the past for service on a vintage Harman Kardon tape deck with good results. And despite the name, they can and do service components other than tape decks =). Best regards, Mike Hazel -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bret Crane Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:34 AM To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Audio Repair in or near KY.,USA I need to find a "good" repair service I can realistically drive to in or around the greater Kentuky,USA area.I need my Nak. Dragon serviced and ,GAS Thaedra and Ampzilla repaired and modified.They are my "babies" so "I am protective of them.You know.Thanks,Bret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dragon serviced and ,GAS Thaedra and Ampzilla repaired and modified.They are my "babies" so "I am protective of them.You know.Thanks,Bret _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From savtech at xtra.co.nz Fri Mar 7 10:08:12 2008 From: savtech at xtra.co.nz (savtech at xtra.co.nz) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:08:12 +1300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Would you earth a Nak - thank you! References: <311360.45571.bm@omp221.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005301c88032$c5236350$0601010a@SAVTECH> Hi Chris, although I think you have all the information you will need for this problem (aren't these guys great!) here's a suggestion for all those that suspect low frequency RFI. Get out that old AM transistor radio, turn to a blank bit of spectrum on the low end of the dial and go hunting ! Not perfect, but good for localising this type of thing. Regards Barry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 7 15:34:24 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:34:24 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Audio Repair in or near KY.,USA Message-ID: <20821373.1204900464888.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianmo2001 at att.net Sat Mar 8 03:35:36 2008 From: brianmo2001 at att.net (B Morahan) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:35:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tri mic recording Message-ID: <84C381BF-1D1D-40F2-8AA3-9951C05D2318@att.net> I always wondered If other people felt slightly enthusiastic about their Nak decks. Now that I have found Naktalk I realize the are others with this strange feeling that I have always tried to understand from the moment I first saw a 550 and had to get one to start live recording. So my question to Nak fans is this. What has been your experience recording music performances using the tri- microphone system. Nakamichi thought of it as a good, simple and effective way to record music in a concert classical/jazz setting, performances that don't necessarily use a PA. system. I would record mostly jazz bands in clubs and so there was usually some kind of P.A. That made the placement of the mics a little more difficult. If I went with the recommended type of placement the recording just didn't sound right. I have other thoughts on the subject but that's enough for now. From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Sat Mar 8 12:14:50 2008 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:14:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak prices Message-ID: <000701c8810d$a10b7620$0a01a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> Hello all Due to many reasons I need to sell some of my decks (sniff). CR7 Optically 9 out of 10 (little scratches on top 4 corners). Mechanically: it eats tapes after about 1/3 of the tape. CR4 Mint 582 Mint BX 300 Technically perfect. Optically 8 out of 10 BX 2 Mint All of them are European versions ( the Netherlands). Long ago there was a list of all Nak decks with minimum and maximum price indication. It was a great help (although, based on it, I maybe paid too much for some of my decks). I wonder whether it is possible to rebuild such a list. But, if and until this is done, could some one please tell me what I can ask for these decks? Thanks in advance -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From badanth at aim.com Sat Mar 8 13:59:59 2008 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:59:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] One last call for help... Message-ID: <8CA4F33737C845E-454-51E7@WEBMAIL-MA06.sysops.aol.com> I've had a few people try and help with my CR5 pegged meters problem and thought I'd ask one last time for help before sending it to a pro. When I push the play button whether in record or play the needles peg and I hear a pop through my speakers but nothing else. It does the same thing when I push the source button. I can push all other buttons while pegged with no difference at all the meters stay pegged. All other functions work properly, FF=RW=pause=counter=play=eq=dolby etc.. Everything points to a perfectly looking and working CR5 except the meters pegged and no sound. I've checked all plugs on the boards and the ground and all seem to be fine. I'd like to thank Dan and Ron for trying to help but it looks like it may be in need of some heavy troubleshooting. Thanks, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ampex500 at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 19:06:22 2008 From: ampex500 at gmail.com (bob forrest) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:06:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 Not Playing - Need Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4d7a408f0803081006h6e7e7c12q16c5af20a321352f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Nadeem. I had the same problem with a MR-1. The rewind problem was due to an oxidized idler tire. I removed the cassette door and the backing plate to clean the tire with isopropyl and q tips. After drying I ran the deck in FF for 10 min to soften up the idler tire. The Play problem is probably due to oxidized contacts on the three copper reed switches on the control motor cam. Try a shot of de ox it gold contact cleaner ( available at radio shanck) on the three sets of contacts. That should let the control motor logic work normally,. Hope htis helps Best regards Bob F On 3/5/08, Mercedes Benz wrote: > > Hi everyone! > > My friend has got a BX300 which he had been using until recently but now > it has stopped playing the tapes. > > When the play button is pressed nothing happens, the transport does not > move up, also nothing happens when the Rewind button is pressed. Fast > Forward, however, does work. > > Any thoughts as to what might be wrong with it, any possible causes? > > Thanks & best regards, > Nadeem > > ------------------------------ > Messenger on the move. Text MSN to 63463 now! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 20:13:51 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:13:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] One last call for help... In-Reply-To: <8CA4F33737C845E-454-51E7@WEBMAIL-MA06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47d2e576.28d6720a.7230.fffff635@mx.google.com> The possibilities are too numerous to give you any idea. Putting the unit into play causes the output mute transistors Q111 and Q211 to unground the signal just prior to the headphone amp. Unfortunately, the meters steal signal at that same point. Somewhere before that there is a major problem which could be power supply or signal processing related. It's time to go pro. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of badanth at aim.com Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 5:00 AM To: naktalk at naks.com; NakChatt at yahoogroups.com Subject: [naktalk] One last call for help... I've had a few people try and help with my CR5 pegged meters problem and thought I'd ask one last time for help before sending it to a pro. When I push the play button whether in record or play the needles peg and I hear a pop through my speakers but nothing else. It does the same thing when I push the source button. I can push all other buttons while pegged with no difference at all the meters stay pegged. All other functions work properly, FF=RW=pause=counter=play=eq=dolby etc.. Everything points to a perfectly looking and working CR5 except the meters pegged and no sound. I've checked all plugs on the boards and the ground and all seem to be fine. I'd like to thank Dan and Ron for trying to help but it looks like it may be in need of some heavy troubleshooting. Thanks, Anthony _____ Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ampex500 at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 19:13:04 2008 From: ampex500 at gmail.com (bob forrest) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:13:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A few questions and another Nak... In-Reply-To: <8CA4C2E9F30F401-B94-43A@WEBMAIL-DG09.sim.aol.com> References: <97404E60-4125-498C-8F6C-4A1408146417@rayhogan.net> <47CC0523.4020001@rcn.com> <8CA4C2E9F30F401-B94-43A@WEBMAIL-DG09.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <4d7a408f0803081013v794b11d5oaa7933a3a33359e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Anthony. On the play and stop issue, Im betting a glazed tape counter belt. When the tape counter stops the logic will initiate a stop command. If yo can run the deck in FF without a tape in it that will exercize the counter belt. Also if you can gently clean the belt with alcahol on a q tip that may help. On the pegged meters Im betting the record / play electronics switch has dirty contacts or is mechanically stuck in the half way psotion, causing oscillation on the record / play amplifier. Hope this helps Bob F On 3/4/08, badanth at aim.com wrote: > > I'm looking at another CR5 but it has a couple problems I could use help > with. The first is it only plays, sometimes then stops. I plan on replacing > the idler tire but I'm not sure that's it. The second problem I'm more > concerned with is the peak level meters are solidly pegged all the way > across when pushing play in tape mode or source mode with or without a tape > in. No sound other than static is producedand it triggered the amp into > standby. Anyone have any ideas what this deck might need? > > Regards, > > Anthony > > > ------------------------------ > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbarfor your browser. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ampex500 at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 19:59:39 2008 From: ampex500 at gmail.com (bob forrest) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:59:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] One last call for help... In-Reply-To: <8CA4F33737C845E-454-51E7@WEBMAIL-MA06.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA4F33737C845E-454-51E7@WEBMAIL-MA06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4d7a408f0803081059s5e9b30e0teb3d918f898a803b@mail.gmail.com> Hi Anthony. This is a long shot; Is the CR5 record play relay or record play switch clean and not stuck mid position? Im thinking you have oscillation between record and play amplifiers here. Hope this helps Best regards Bob F On 3/8/08, badanth at aim.com wrote: > > I've had a few people try and help with my CR5 pegged meters problem and > thought I'd ask one last time for help before sending it to a pro. When I > push the play button whether in record or play the needles peg and I hear a > pop through my speakers but nothing else. It does the same thing when I push > the source button. I can push all other buttons while pegged with no > difference at all the > meters stay pegged. All other functions work properly, > FF=RW=pause=counter=play=eq=dolby > etc.. Everything points to a perfectly looking and working CR5 except the > meters pegged and no sound. I've checked all plugs on the boards and the > ground and all seem to be fine. I'd like to thank Dan and Ron for trying to > help but it looks like it may be in need of some heavy troubleshooting. > > Thanks, > > Anthony > ------------------------------ > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbarfor your browser. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 22op877 at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 20:40:10 2008 From: 22op877 at gmail.com (Tony White) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:40:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] FS: TD-700C, TDK MA-XG C90 (35), TDK SA-X C60 (320) all brand new Message-ID: <210302880803081140s744259b0u5ce770c547d14665@mail.gmail.com> TDK MA-XG 90 - 35 tapes I have a collection of seven boxes of 35 TDK MA-XG 90 cassettes for sale. These are brand new, sealed and I have always stored them at room temperature. They are the more common 1990's version, not the earlier 70's or 80's version. I purchased them on ebay about 5 years ago. They are generally selling in small quantities for around $35 (including shipping) on ebay. I would like to sell them all as a collection for $27 each, or $945 for the lot, plus $20 shipping for one or both units. TDK SA-X 60 - 320 tapes I also have a box of 320 TD SA-X 60 tapes for sale. These are also brand new, sealed, stored at room temperature. I purchased them new about five years ago, and as far as I know, they are no longer available. The sell on ebay for around $4-$8 depending on quantitiy. I would like to sell the entire lot of 320 for $2.50 each, for a total of $800, plus $45 shipping. TD-700C - automobile cassette player This is brand new wrapped in plastic in the oem box, the manual and all pieces, never used. I purchased in on ebay about 5 years ago, and its been stored in my closet ever since. The TD-700C (vs the TD-700) is a later model with the advantage of having an auxillary rca input, which is great for ipod users. The main advantage that the 700C has over the TD1200 is that they are very reliable. They are also less clunky in appearance and operation. They also have nakamichi diffused resonance dual capstan system (I have read on naktalk that the TD1200, although it has two capstans, only uses one capstan in each direction of play). As far as I know, the 700C is the all around best cassette unit you can buy for the car, which, to my analog tastes, makes it the best sound you can get in the car. Price is $650, plus $20 for shipping to anywhere in the continental United States. >From what I have seen on ebay, these are very fair prices, so I thought I would show it to naktalkers before I put them up for sale early next week. If you send me an email, I can tell you my ebay and audiogon id's, so that you can see that I have a good sellers reputation. Payment via paypal only, I'll pay the fee. Shipping prices are to anywhere in the continental U.S., well packed. Barring an emergency, I will get the shipped by the next business day. Thanks, Tony From orders at pennysconstruction.com Sat Mar 8 23:46:40 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:46:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Tri mic recording References: <84C381BF-1D1D-40F2-8AA3-9951C05D2318@att.net> Message-ID: <5A7EDF8885D94C8BAFB69F9ADE3E5D66@number2> Ever record any blues shows? Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Morahan" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: [naktalk] Tri mic recording >I always wondered If other people felt slightly enthusiastic about their >Nak decks. Now that I have found Naktalk I realize the are others with >this strange feeling that I have always tried to understand from the >moment I first saw a 550 and had to get one to start live recording. So my >question to Nak fans is this. What has been your experience recording >music performances using the tri- microphone system. Nakamichi thought of >it as a good, simple and effective way to record music in a concert >classical/jazz setting, performances that don't necessarily use a PA. >system. I would record mostly jazz bands in clubs and so there was usually >some kind of P.A. That made the placement of the mics a little more >difficult. If I went with the recommended type of placement the recording >just didn't sound right. > I have other thoughts on the subject but that's enough for now. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From benstratford at aol.co.uk Sun Mar 9 08:51:24 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 03:51:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Found Set Of Gauges Message-ID: <8CA4FD181F4B261-11AC-133F@webmail-nf21.sim.aol.com> Short story: For some time I have been looking to acquire a set of gauges and lately I had stepped up the search.? This basically meant calling and emailing every possible lead to identify those in the business upto 30 years ago who may have had a set that is now redundant due to the lack of decks coming in for service or a change in business focus.? I actually emailed upto 40 nak dealers and hifi repair shops in 5 continents and about half a dozen did have a set of gauges but they were not for sale.? Eventually, I did get a positive reply from a lead in and after negotiation, now have a set of 10 Gauges on their way to New Zealand.? I know there are others who seek these gauges and would encourage anyone to do the same to ensure these treasures are not left to end up in the trash one day. Good Luck, Rgds, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sun Mar 9 02:46:31 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 19:46:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] FS: TD-700C, TDK MA-XG C90 (35), TDK SA-X C60 (320) all brand new References: <210302880803081140s744259b0u5ce770c547d14665@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000801c88187$66a1b1a0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> I would offer you $450 plus what ever shipping to Canada with USPS for the TD-700C. Are you positive this is new and not refurbished? Rainer Sahlmueller (80stech) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony White" <22op877 at gmail.com> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: [naktalk] FS: TD-700C, TDK MA-XG C90 (35),TDK SA-X C60 (320) all brand new > TDK MA-XG 90 - 35 tapes > > I have a collection of seven boxes of 35 TDK MA-XG 90 cassettes for > sale. These are brand new, sealed and I have always stored them at > room temperature. They are the more common 1990's version, not the > earlier 70's or 80's version. I purchased them on ebay about 5 years > ago. > > They are generally selling in small quantities for around $35 > (including shipping) on ebay. I would like to sell them all as a > collection for $27 each, or $945 for the lot, plus $20 shipping for > one or both units. > > > TDK SA-X 60 - 320 tapes > > I also have a box of 320 TD SA-X 60 tapes for sale. These are also > brand new, sealed, stored at room temperature. I purchased them new > about five years ago, and as far as I know, they are no longer > available. The sell on ebay for around $4-$8 depending on quantitiy. > I would like to sell the entire lot of 320 for $2.50 each, for a total > of $800, plus $45 shipping. > > > TD-700C - automobile cassette player > > This is brand new wrapped in plastic in the oem box, the manual and > all pieces, never used. I purchased in on ebay about 5 years ago, and > its been stored in my closet ever since. The TD-700C (vs the TD-700) > is a later model with the advantage of having an auxillary rca input, > which is great for ipod users. > > The main advantage that the 700C has over the TD1200 is that they are > very reliable. They are also less clunky in appearance and operation. > They also have nakamichi diffused resonance dual capstan system (I > have read on naktalk that the TD1200, although it has two capstans, > only uses one capstan in each direction of play). As far as I know, > the 700C is the all around best cassette unit you can buy for the car, > which, to my analog tastes, makes it the best sound you can get in the > car. > > Price is $650, plus $20 for shipping to anywhere in the continental > United States. > >>From what I have seen on ebay, these are very fair prices, so I > thought I would show it to naktalkers before I put them up for sale > early next week. If you send me an email, I can tell you my ebay and > audiogon id's, so that you can see that I have a good sellers > reputation. > > Payment via paypal only, I'll pay the fee. Shipping prices are to > anywhere in the continental U.S., well packed. Barring an emergency, I > will get the shipped by the next business day. > > Thanks, > Tony > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Sun Mar 9 10:14:53 2008 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 05:14:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-series problem Message-ID: <200803090515_MC3-1-FD8C-717A@compuserve.com> Hi, I was checking out the BX-150 I have acquired recently from the neighborhood and found a potentially dangerous problem: After power-up it immediately started to record on the tape which was already inside. It did not matter which position I set the timer switch, either. If there is a non-record protected tape in it, it just started recording on it. I tried the same thing with the BX-300 I had for about a year, but did not use regularly and it did the same thing! Initially I suspected a circuit failure, but it turned out to be the timer switch itself. Just toggling the switch many times solved the problem. Anyway, if you have a BX deck, make sure to "exercise" the timer switch so that you don't erase any of your favourite recordings! Regards, _Fuad From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Sun Mar 9 12:21:51 2008 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:21:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Broken stud in Nakamichi Dragon References: <200803090515_MC3-1-FD8C-717A@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <001601c881d7$c6312380$53f66391@a8n32sli> Hi Naktalkers, Because of shipping problems and bad package from a Nakamichi Dragon , i have received a Dragon with broken stud in the mechanism assy. Looking at http://www.nakremotes.com/Images/Nak/NR-0052.pdf there must be a replacement kit for the broken stud. Does anyone have used those kits? and are they still available ? I tried to repair the part with glue but the glue i used doesn't do the job. Regards Norman From tim.skorick at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 18:22:22 2008 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:22:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Found Set Of Gauges In-Reply-To: <8CA4FD181F4B261-11AC-133F@webmail-nf21.sim.aol.com> References: <8CA4FD181F4B261-11AC-133F@webmail-nf21.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110803091022s3598a554u9d8b78af528bd233@mail.gmail.com> I scoured the Dallas-Fort Worth area as best I could given limited time slots during the day, but to no avail. I'll try again sometime soon, I'm sure there are leads I missed. -Tim On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 1:51 AM, wrote: > Short story: > > For some time I have been looking to acquire a set of gauges and lately I > had stepped up the search. This basically meant calling and emailing every > possible lead to identify those in the business upto 30 years ago who may > have had a set that is now redundant due to the lack of decks coming in for > service or a change in business focus. I actually emailed upto 40 nak > dealers and hifi repair shops in 5 continents and about half a dozen did > have a set of gauges but they were not for sale. > > Eventually, I did get a positive reply from a lead in and after > negotiation, now have a set of 10 Gauges on their way to New Zealand. I > know there are others who seek these gauges and would encourage anyone to do > the same to ensure these treasures are not left to end up in the trash one > day. > > Good Luck, Rgds, Ben > ------------------------------ > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbarfor your browser. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Sun Mar 9 19:38:28 2008 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:38:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes Bias Points etc.... Message-ID: <030920081838.17954.47D42EA4000BA161000046222215555884CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> Hello All, I found an excellent review source,, via searching, and it has reviews of many decks, reel to reel, cassette, other high end audio equipment, etc... These are the same reviews that people are selling on ebay. Thing is, you must have DjVU plugins for whatever version of windows you use, or Mac. They have extensive testing, from several years, good ones from 1987, and 1990, the reviews test all types of tape, Type I, II, IV, etc...the revies are 15, and 11 pages in depth. And as I have always found to be the case....TDK, and Sony come out on top. I have used Maxell, but always preferred TDK and Sony, but biased for TDK SA. These tapes are simply all you could ask for. I never found Metal to be the necessity others seem to crave, my SA's have done quite a job at reasonable prices. I had a friend in the Industry, who I got lots of brand new TDK and Sony, actually whatever I wanted, including Discwasher products, LP's, Tapes. Zerostat Gun, etc... all supplies that were snt to record stores, at his cost. SO, needless to say, I stocked up. I also bought out an audio store just a couple years ago, and have boatloads of TDK SA, and MA Tapes...all in varying lengths, 90, 110, 100 etc....I never cared as much for the 60's, so I only got a few. But the reviews are great, and have matched my deck perfectly. From what I have read Nakamichi used Center Spool TDK tape as their standard tape format. These reviews cover all, plenty of manufacturers, very in depth. I didnt have this DjVU plugin, so I got it, and then I was suddenly able to save any reviews I desired, it wa a great find. TandbergRay From rayr0683 at comcast.net Sun Mar 9 19:53:43 2008 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:53:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re:TD-700C Message-ID: <030920081853.17591.47D43237000D6840000044B72215555884CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> Wow.....TD-700C great head unit, in all respects, Radio as well. I owned this unit, and was a Bench Tech for H&R Auto Radio In PA, for 5 years. We worked on all units, I had Alpine's best with HLtac Heads, but the Nak truely shined in all areas. The Alpine was able to produce similar results, but with autoreverse.....Alpine was once the Best....not after the market slid away from cassette....the they went on the cheap, as all others did. But I can vouch, and I miss the quality of the Nak TC-700C. It paired nicely with my well calibrated, and originallly owned Nak RX-505. Perfect for my car audio system, which was all seperates, by Alpine, in hayday, when they were produced in Japan as well. My Home setup, all in all is close to the cost of a house....LOL...but im an audioholic. H&R Auto Radio is the 3rd largest auto radio repair facility in the USA, they may have even moved up a notch by now, but it gave me great experience , and all top equipment, both, Test wise, and lis tening wise...to audition the best that car audio ever had to offer, in analog. And thats where my heart is. TandbergRay -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: naktalk-request at naks.com > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: Would you earth a Nak - thank you! (savtech at xtra.co.nz) > 2. RE: Audio Repair in or near KY.,USA (Tom Brucker) > 3. Tri mic recording (B Morahan) > 4. Nak prices (Jannis) > 5. One last call for help... (badanth at aim.com) > 6. Re: BX300 Not Playing - Need Help (bob forrest) > 7. RE: One last call for help... (Willy Hermann) > 8. Re: A few questions and another Nak... (bob forrest) > 9. Re: One last call for help... (bob forrest) > 10. FS: TD-700C, TDK MA-XG C90 (35), TDK SA-X C60 (320) all brand > new (Tony White) > 11. Re: Tri mic recording (orders at pennysconstruction) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:08:12 +1300 > From: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Would you earth a Nak - thank you! > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <005301c88032$c5236350$0601010a at SAVTECH> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Chris, > although I think you have all the information you will need for > this problem (aren't these guys great!) here's a suggestion for all those that > suspect low frequency RFI. > Get out that old AM transistor radio, turn to a blank bit of spectrum on the > low end of the dial and go hunting ! > Not perfect, but good for localising this type of thing. > > Regards > Barry > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080307/258f1d47/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:34:24 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Repair in or near KY.,USA > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > > <20821373.1204900464888.JavaMail.root at elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080307/bb782094/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:35:36 -0600 > From: B Morahan > Subject: [naktalk] Tri mic recording > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <84C381BF-1D1D-40F2-8AA3-9951C05D2318 at att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > I always wondered If other people felt slightly enthusiastic about > their Nak decks. Now that I have found Naktalk I realize the are > others with this strange feeling that I have always tried to > understand from the moment I first saw a 550 and had to get one to > start live recording. So my question to Nak fans is this. What has > been your experience recording music performances using the tri- > microphone system. Nakamichi thought of it as a good, simple and > effective way to record music in a concert classical/jazz setting, > performances that don't necessarily use a PA. system. I would record > mostly jazz bands in clubs and so there was usually some kind of P.A. > That made the placement of the mics a little more difficult. If I went > with the recommended type of placement the recording just didn't sound > right. > I have other thoughts on the subject but that's enough for now. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:14:50 +0100 > From: "Jannis" > Subject: [naktalk] Nak prices > To: "Naktalk" > Message-ID: <000701c8810d$a10b7620$0a01a8c0 at JNDB40XZ6IESG5> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Hello all > > > > Due to many reasons I need to sell some of my decks (sniff). > > > > CR7 Optically 9 out of 10 (little scratches on top 4 corners). Mechanically: it > eats tapes after about 1/3 of the tape. > > > > CR4 Mint > > > > 582 Mint > > > > BX 300 Technically perfect. Optically 8 out of 10 > > > > BX 2 Mint > > > > All of them are European versions ( the Netherlands). > > > > Long ago there was a list of all Nak decks with minimum and maximum price > indication. It was a great help (although, based on it, I maybe paid too much > for some of my decks). I wonder whether it is possible to rebuild such a list. > But, if and until this is done, could some one please tell me what I can ask > for these decks? > > > > Thanks in advance > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080308/b490f492/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:59:59 -0500 > From: badanth at aim.com > Subject: [naktalk] One last call for help... > To: naktalk at naks.com, NakChatt at yahoogroups.com > Message-ID: <8CA4F33737C845E-454-51E7 at WEBMAIL-MA06.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I've had a few people try and help with my CR5 pegged meters problem and thought > I'd ask one last time for help before sending it to a pro. When I push the play > button whether in record or play the needles peg and I hear a pop through my > speakers but nothing else. It does the same thing when I push the source button. > I can push all other buttons while pegged with no difference at all the > meters stay pegged. All other functions work properly, > FF=RW=pause=counter=play=eq=dolby > etc.. Everything points to a perfectly looking and working CR5 except the meters > pegged and no sound. I've checked all plugs on the boards and the ground and all > seem to be fine. I'd like to thank Dan and Ron for trying to help but it looks > like it may be in need of some heavy troubleshooting. > > Thanks, > > Anthony > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080308/3eebab7a/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:06:22 -0500 > From: "bob forrest" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 Not Playing - Need Help > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > <4d7a408f0803081006h6e7e7c12q16c5af20a321352f at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Nadeem. > > I had the same problem with a MR-1. The rewind problem was due to an > oxidized idler tire. I removed the cassette door and the backing plate to > clean the tire with isopropyl and q tips. After drying I ran the deck in FF > for 10 min to soften up the idler tire. > > The Play problem is probably due to oxidized contacts on the three copper > reed switches on the control motor cam. Try a shot of de ox it gold contact > cleaner ( available at radio shanck) on the three sets of contacts. That > should let the control motor logic work normally,. > > Hope htis helps > > Best regards > Bob F > > > On 3/5/08, Mercedes Benz wrote: > > > > Hi everyone! > > > > My friend has got a BX300 which he had been using until recently but now > > it has stopped playing the tapes. > > > > When the play button is pressed nothing happens, the transport does not > > move up, also nothing happens when the Rewind button is pressed. Fast > > Forward, however, does work. > > > > Any thoughts as to what might be wrong with it, any possible causes? > > > > Thanks & best regards, > > Nadeem > > > > ------------------------------ > > Messenger on the move. Text MSN to 63463 > now! > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080308/860ca0f5/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:13:51 -0800 > From: "Willy Hermann" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] One last call for help... > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <47d2e576.28d6720a.7230.fffff635 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The possibilities are too numerous to give you any idea. Putting the unit > into play causes the output mute transistors Q111 and Q211 to unground the > signal just prior to the headphone amp. Unfortunately, the meters steal > signal at that same point. Somewhere before that there is a major problem > which could be power supply or signal processing related. It's time to go > pro. > > > > Willy > > > > _____ > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of badanth at aim.com > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 5:00 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com; NakChatt at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [naktalk] One last call for help... > > > > I've had a few people try and help with my CR5 pegged meters problem and > thought I'd ask one last time for help before sending it to a pro. When I > push the play button whether in record or play the needles peg and I hear a > pop through my speakers but nothing else. It does the same thing when I push > the source button. I can push all other buttons while pegged with no > difference at all the > meters stay pegged. All other functions work properly, > FF=RW=pause=counter=play=eq=dolby > etc.. Everything points to a perfectly looking and working CR5 except the > meters pegged and no sound. I've checked all plugs on the boards and the > ground and all seem to be fine. I'd like to thank Dan and Ron for trying to > help but it looks like it may be in need of some heavy troubleshooting. > > Thanks, > > Anthony > > _____ > > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM > > toolbar for your browser. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080308/2b75d86b/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:13:04 -0500 > From: "bob forrest" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A few questions and another Nak... > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > <4d7a408f0803081013v794b11d5oaa7933a3a33359e at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Anthony. On the play and stop issue, Im betting a glazed tape counter > belt. When the tape counter stops the logic will initiate a stop command. If > yo can run the deck in FF without a tape in it that will exercize the > counter belt. Also if you can gently clean the belt with alcahol on a q tip > that may help. > > On the pegged meters Im betting the record / play electronics switch has > dirty contacts or is mechanically stuck in the half way psotion, causing > oscillation on the record / play amplifier. Hope this helps > > Bob F > > > On 3/4/08, badanth at aim.com wrote: > > > > I'm looking at another CR5 but it has a couple problems I could use help > > with. The first is it only plays, sometimes then stops. I plan on replacing > > the idler tire but I'm not sure that's it. The second problem I'm more > > concerned with is the peak level meters are solidly pegged all the way > > across when pushing play in tape mode or source mode with or without a tape > > in. No sound other than static is producedand it triggered the amp into > > standby. Anyone have any ideas what this deck might need? > > > > Regards, > > > > Anthony > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM > toolbarfor > your browser. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080308/b4055c69/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:59:39 -0500 > From: "bob forrest" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] One last call for help... > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > <4d7a408f0803081059s5e9b30e0teb3d918f898a803b at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Anthony. > This is a long shot; Is the CR5 record play relay or record play switch > clean and not stuck mid position? Im thinking you have oscillation between > record and play amplifiers here. > Hope this helps > Best regards > Bob F > > > On 3/8/08, badanth at aim.com wrote: > > > > I've had a few people try and help with my CR5 pegged meters problem and > > thought I'd ask one last time for help before sending it to a pro. When I > > push the play button whether in record or play the needles peg and I hear a > > pop through my speakers but nothing else. It does the same thing when I push > > the source button. I can push all other buttons while pegged with no > > difference at all the > > meters stay pegged. All other functions work properly, > > FF=RW=pause=counter=play=eq=dolby > > etc.. Everything points to a perfectly looking and working CR5 except the > > meters pegged and no sound. I've checked all plugs on the boards and the > > ground and all seem to be fine. I'd like to thank Dan and Ron for trying to > > help but it looks like it may be in need of some heavy troubleshooting. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Anthony > > ------------------------------ > > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM > toolbarfor > your browser. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080308/04b9f3ff/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:40:10 -0800 > From: "Tony White" <22op877 at gmail.com> > Subject: [naktalk] FS: TD-700C, TDK MA-XG C90 (35), TDK SA-X C60 (320) > all brand new > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > <210302880803081140s744259b0u5ce770c547d14665 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > TDK MA-XG 90 - 35 tapes > > I have a collection of seven boxes of 35 TDK MA-XG 90 cassettes for > sale. These are brand new, sealed and I have always stored them at > room temperature. They are the more common 1990's version, not the > earlier 70's or 80's version. I purchased them on ebay about 5 years > ago. > > They are generally selling in small quantities for around $35 > (including shipping) on ebay. I would like to sell them all as a > collection for $27 each, or $945 for the lot, plus $20 shipping for > one or both units. > > > TDK SA-X 60 - 320 tapes > > I also have a box of 320 TD SA-X 60 tapes for sale. These are also > brand new, sealed, stored at room temperature. I purchased them new > about five years ago, and as far as I know, they are no longer > available. The sell on ebay for around $4-$8 depending on quantitiy. > I would like to sell the entire lot of 320 for $2.50 each, for a total > of $800, plus $45 shipping. > > > TD-700C - automobile cassette player > > This is brand new wrapped in plastic in the oem box, the manual and > all pieces, never used. I purchased in on ebay about 5 years ago, and > its been stored in my closet ever since. The TD-700C (vs the TD-700) > is a later model with the advantage of having an auxillary rca input, > which is great for ipod users. > > The main advantage that the 700C has over the TD1200 is that they are > very reliable. They are also less clunky in appearance and operation. > They also have nakamichi diffused resonance dual capstan system (I > have read on naktalk that the TD1200, although it has two capstans, > only uses one capstan in each direction of play). As far as I know, > the 700C is the all around best cassette unit you can buy for the car, > which, to my analog tastes, makes it the best sound you can get in the > car. > > Price is $650, plus $20 for shipping to anywhere in the continental > United States. > > >From what I have seen on ebay, these are very fair prices, so I > thought I would show it to naktalkers before I put them up for sale > early next week. If you send me an email, I can tell you my ebay and > audiogon id's, so that you can see that I have a good sellers > reputation. > > Payment via paypal only, I'll pay the fee. Shipping prices are to > anywhere in the continental U.S., well packed. Barring an emergency, I > will get the shipped by the next business day. > > Thanks, > Tony > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:46:40 -0600 > From: "orders at pennysconstruction" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tri mic recording > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <5A7EDF8885D94C8BAFB69F9ADE3E5D66 at number2> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Ever record any blues shows? > Thanks Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B Morahan" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:35 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Tri mic recording > > > >I always wondered If other people felt slightly enthusiastic about their > >Nak decks. Now that I have found Naktalk I realize the are others with > >this strange feeling that I have always tried to understand from the > >moment I first saw a 550 and had to get one to start live recording. So my > >question to Nak fans is this. What has been your experience recording > >music performances using the tri- microphone system. Nakamichi thought of > >it as a good, simple and effective way to record music in a concert > >classical/jazz setting, performances that don't necessarily use a PA. > >system. I would record mostly jazz bands in clubs and so there was usually > >some kind of P.A. That made the placement of the mics a little more > >difficult. If I went with the recommended type of placement the recording > >just didn't sound right. > > I have other thoughts on the subject but that's enough for now. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 7 > ************************************** From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Mar 9 20:21:03 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:21:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Goldmine of Parts.... Message-ID: <030920081921.27420.47D4389F000528D000006B1C22165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> ....IF they are the kind of parts you are looking for: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Ersatzteile-Spare-Parts_W0QQitemZ140214229876QQihZ004QQcategoryZ8251QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From danbarham at aol.com Sun Mar 9 21:16:15 2008 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:16:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Relay replacement help Message-ID: <8CA50398FF62ACF-D68-2407@FWM-D36.sysops.aol.com> Greetings folks! I recall seeing a thread about this a while back but for the life of me can't find it now. I'm trying to replace the rec/play relay in a BX-125, I believe the same relay is shared in all of the BX series except the 300, the MR-2 and probably the 2 head CR, DR and Cassette deck series as well. It is a Matsushita relay, part #DS2V-M DC12V-R. I've tried cleaning the contacts with DeOxit?a few times, cycled it many times and just don't get good results. I took another one from a BX-100 parts deck and get the same results. I'm thinking if a new one is easily obtainable and not too expensive I'll just do that. I've wasted enought time trying to salvage these old ones and its worth just buying new now. I remember someone had said they were able to find new ones or maybe an OMRON substitute. Thanks Dan Barham Chicagoland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Sun Mar 9 21:31:49 2008 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:31:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] PBFR tapes Message-ID: <8CA503BBC936A4B-D68-24AA@FWM-D36.sysops.aol.com> Howdy folks! No doubt many of you have been watching the recent sales of the cal tapes and gauges going on sale on the Bay right now by a couple of sellers. I have given up trying to get affordable tapes and gauges and just watch these sales with curiosity and amazement at the prices these originals fetch. I've got the basics for cal tapes and will just have to make do with those for now. Anyway, on to my question. I know Scott Johnson has a really good description of the original calibration tapes on his FAQ site. He states that frequency response tapes cannot be used as azimuth alignment tapes because they aren't produced to the exacting standards required of a azimuth tape. So my question is about the reverse situation. Can a 15kHz azimuth tape be used as a 15kHz frequency response tape? If so, could a well calibrated hi-end deck, say a CR-7 or ZX-9, be used to make some simple PBFR tapes? Luis, are you listening? If you can make the basic calibration tapes with pretty?good success, and I?believe judging from comments regarding Luis' tapes, they get the job done pretty well, can this be done? I think there is a small and willing market for replica PBFR tapes made by Luis, I know I'm interested. Luis tapes are brand new and sell for a price I'm willing to pay. The originals would be obviously more desirable but then again, I think even the newest ones are pushing 15-20 years old and who knows what their history has been. So how about it? Is it possible? Anyone else interested? All comments are welcome and appreciated. Bring it on! Warmest regards to the community, Dan Barham Chicagoland? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hasse-naks at hagenjohansen.dk Sun Mar 9 22:59:36 2008 From: hasse-naks at hagenjohansen.dk (Hasse Hagen Johansen) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:59:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Service manual for CR-4 Message-ID: <501385877adc3f7ebc40998d2e222900@localhost> Hi I have just bought my first Nakamichi casette recorder(I have some of their amplifiers). I think I have the idler problem, and would like hear if anyone have a service manual for this machine? Regards Hasse H. Johansen From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Mon Mar 10 01:59:15 2008 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:59:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay Message-ID: <000801c88249$f699d7c0$0a01a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> Has anyone seen this? http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-CR-7-CR-5-ETC-REEL-MOTOR-WITH-ASSY-RARE_W0QQitemZ160207649401QQihZ006QQcategoryZ4784QQcmdZViewItem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianmo2001 at att.net Mon Mar 10 05:10:35 2008 From: brianmo2001 at att.net (B Morahan) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 23:10:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] response to Message 11 Message-ID: I have recorded solo Blues performers and bands that play the blues as well as other kinds of music. From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Mar 10 16:55:09 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:55:09 EDT Subject: [naktalk] A Goldmine of Parts.... Message-ID: In a message dated 3/10/2008 1:35:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hwbosshoss at comcast.net writes: ....IF they are the kind of parts you are looking for: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-Ersatzteile-Spare-Parts_W0QQitemZ140214229876QQi hZ004QQcategoryZ8251QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* Beware, no Paypal. JW **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Mar 10 16:56:45 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:56:45 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Service manual for CR-4 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/10/2008 1:34:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hasse-naks at hagenjohansen.dk writes: Hi I have just bought my first Nakamichi casette recorder(I have some of their amplifiers). I think I have the idler problem, and would like hear if anyone have a service manual for this machine? Regards Hasse H. Johansen CR-4 doesn't have the rubber idler tirte. It does have, however, lots of problems with any of the 3 the motors oxidizing. I know that from experience. Jeff W **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Mar 10 17:18:31 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:18:31 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Ebay Message-ID: In a message dated 3/10/2008 1:35:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, j.soulantikas at chello.nl writes: Has anyone seen this? _http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-CR-7-CR-5-ETC-REEL-MOTOR-WITH-ASSY-RARE_W0QQite mZ160207649401QQihZ006QQcategoryZ4784QQcmdZViewItem_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-CR-7-CR-5-ETC-REEL-MOTOR-WITH-ASSY-RARE_W0QQitemZ160207649401QQihZ006QQc ategoryZ4784QQcmdZViewItem) That's the rubber tire idler reel motor for the Sankyo mechanism. The guy no longer takes Paypal. Jeff W **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bruce at brucemann.net Mon Mar 10 16:44:57 2008 From: bruce at brucemann.net (Bruce Mann) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:44:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 Belt replacement: an easier way?????? Message-ID: <9CBA8449C78641CB95E70AE998E1DB26@polan1PC> Hi there - I need to replace the drive belt on my 600. I did this job on another 600 ages ago, and remember it being a HORRIBLE job. I had to virtually dismantly the chassis to get the protective plate off from below the motor..... Is there and easier way to do this? can anyone point me in the direction of somewhere I can get more info?? I can't believe it's meant to be as hard as I made it!! Many thanks Bruce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Mon Mar 10 10:01:43 2008 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (cjlovesjazz) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:01:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Would you earth a Nak - thanks! Message-ID: <649864.82271.bm@omp201.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Barry Many thanks - I used a battery-powered radio tuned to an FM station to prove to myself that I was dealing with RFI and not mains-borne noise. I will try your idea for localising the source though - my boiler clicks at the exact second that my amp goes "fzzz" but I still can't rule out the room thermostat as the REAL source. NakTalk rules! Chris _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Barry said: "Hi Chris, although I think you have all the information you will need for this problem (aren't these guys great!) here's a suggestion for all those that suspect low frequency RFI. Get out that old AM transistor radio, turn to a blank bit of spectrum on the low end of the dial and go hunting ! Not perfect, but good for localising this type of thing." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They have instructions on how to replace the idler tire. Jayson Hasse Hagen Johansen wrote: Hi I have just bought my first Nakamichi casette recorder(I have some of their amplifiers). I think I have the idler problem, and would like hear if anyone have a service manual for this machine? Regards Hasse H. Johansen ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 10 16:00:25 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:00:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Relay replacement help In-Reply-To: <8CA50398FF62ACF-D68-2407@FWM-D36.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA50398FF62ACF-D68-2407@FWM-D36.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47D54D09.10201@rcn.com> Spraying relay contacts with cleaner and/or 'exercising' the relay rarely do any good. I don't recall what this relay looks like, but if the contacts are accessible, they should be cleaned with a burnishing tool, followed by cleaner with lubricant spray. The spring leaves may then be adjusted as necessary (there should be discernible wiping action when the relay is energized). If the relay is enclosed, some surgery may be in order -- it's a risky operation, but when that's the case, you have little to lose. -- Ron danbarham at aol.com wrote: > Greetings folks! > > I recall seeing a thread about this a while back but for the life of me > can't find it now. I'm trying to replace the rec/play relay in a BX-125, > I believe the same relay is shared in all of the BX series except the > 300, the MR-2 and probably the 2 head CR, DR and Cassette deck series as > well. It is a Matsushita relay, part #DS2V-M DC12V-R. I've tried > cleaning the contacts with DeOxit a few times, cycled it many times and > just don't get good results. I took another one from a BX-100 parts deck > and get the same results. I'm thinking if a new one is easily obtainable > and not too expensive I'll just do that. I've wasted enought time trying > to salvage these old ones and its worth just buying new now. I remember > someone had said they were able to find new ones or maybe an OMRON > substitute. > > Thanks > Dan Barham > Chicagoland From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 10 16:09:11 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:09:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Ebay In-Reply-To: <000801c88249$f699d7c0$0a01a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> References: <000801c88249$f699d7c0$0a01a8c0@JNDB40XZ6IESG5> Message-ID: <47D54F17.6020205@rcn.com> You can buy a 2 head Sankyo transport based parts deck for a lot less and still have many parts left after cannibalizing the reel motor. -- Ron Jannis wrote: > Has anyone seen this? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-CR-7-CR-5-ETC-REEL-MOTOR-WITH-ASSY-RARE_W0QQitemZ160207649401QQihZ006QQcategoryZ4784QQcmdZViewItem > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From garry at saundersfamily1.com Mon Mar 10 15:31:52 2008 From: garry at saundersfamily1.com (Garry Saunders) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:31:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480Z Message-ID: <000001c882bb$7d444320$0200a8c0@GARRYESAUNDER> Does anyone have a scanned copy or a pdf of the service manual for the 480Z they could email me? I have the service manual for the 480 but am concerned there may well be some subtle differences when it comes to dismantling the machine! If anyone wants a copy of the service manual for the 480 I'd be happy to email it to you. Thanks in advance Garry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Mon Mar 10 21:30:27 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:30:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tri mic recording In-Reply-To: <84C381BF-1D1D-40F2-8AA3-9951C05D2318@att.net> References: <84C381BF-1D1D-40F2-8AA3-9951C05D2318@att.net> Message-ID: <9D90BBFA-B852-4D8F-9ABF-4B6170D0D022@kvglabs.com> On Mar 7, 2008, at 8:35 PM, B Morahan wrote: > I always wondered If other people felt slightly enthusiastic about > their Nak decks. Now that I have found Naktalk I realize the are > others with this strange feeling that I have always tried to > understand from the moment I first saw a 550 and had to get one to > start live recording. So my question to Nak fans is this. What has > been your experience recording music performances using the tri- > microphone system. Nakamichi thought of it as a good, simple and > effective way to record music in a concert classical/jazz setting, > performances that don't necessarily use a PA. system. I would record > mostly jazz bands in clubs and so there was usually some kind of > P.A. That made the placement of the mics a little more difficult. > If I went with the recommended type of placement the recording just > didn't sound right. > I have other thoughts on the subject but that's enough for now. The Nakamichi Live Recording System using three microphones is an excellent technique. I've used the technique since 1975 and was first taught it during my apprenticeship at Columbia Masterworks. It's been a staple of my recording technique since then, although obviously I don't use the method on every recording. My first recording studio was a spare bedroom equipped with a Nakamichi 550 and three AKG D-0190E mikes positioned according to the Nakamichi Live Recording System and mounted to the ceiling. Later I upgraded the system with AKG D0200 an dD202E mikes, a Nakamchi 600 and 610; finally adding a Revox A77 with a dbx 224 to the set up. I made demo taspes of local bands that were so good that some of them had LPs made from my master cassette tapes! To this day, it's still my favorite recording system. Three broad categories of stereophonic recording techniques exist: minimalist (or purist), multi-microphone and multitrack. For the sake of brevity I'll omit multi-microphone and multitrack as not germane to discussing the Nakamichi Live Recording System. A minimalist technique attempts to create a panorama of sounds placed from left to right and from front to back precisely matching the placements of the original sounds in free space as heard by a listener attending a live performance. The panorama of sounds positions is referred to as the spatial image, the stereo image, or the soundstage. The first stereophonic recording techniques were minimalist, and were of three general approaches: coincident, near-coincident, spaced arrays and binaural. Coincident techniques place two microphones as close together as possible and aim the mikes in a way to create the spatial image; Blumlein, M/S and X/Y are the most common of these. Near-coincident methods space two microphones apart about the same distance as the human ears, and angle the mikes at an acute angle; ORTF and DIN are the most common of these. By the way, my three-mike "Bird Foot" array that I developed as a alternative to Nakamichi's Live Recording System is a near-coincident method. Basically, I added a middle mike to an ORTF-like stereo pair. Binaural recordings use a mannequin head with mikes in its hears to precisely replicate human hearing, but the recordings must be listened to over headphones to be heard correctly. Bell Laboratories developed the first spaced microphone array in 1928 having three widely-spaced omnidirectional condensor mikes. This technique is considered by many recordists as optimal for recording orchestras with the caveat that room acoustics must be excellent for the recording to sound good. Many audiophile record labels use this approach. The principal objection of the method is its lack of monaural compatibility, something the Blumlein, M/S and X/Y methods excel at. Recording a subject smaller than an orchestra using the Bell Labs method is usually unsatisfactory. The Nakamichi Live Recording System using three microphones improves on the Bell Labs method by substituting the three omni mikes with three cardioid mikes. This somewhat suppresses the effect of room acoustics and allows the mikes to be positioned closer to the source, allowing subjects smaller than an orchestra to be recorded with amazing accuracy and fidelity. Any unamplified musical performance is captured almost perfectly with the Nakamichi Live Recording System. The presence of a PA during the performance complicates things. I follow the dictum that I'm trying to capture the performance as heard by a live audience, so if the PA is two clusters on each side of the stage I position the left and right mikes farther back into the audience and bring the center mike closer to the stage, then tweak the position and levels so the recording sounds like it does to someone in the "perfect seat." If the PA is one center cluster, I position the left and right mikes closer t the stage and pull the center mike farther back into the audience, then tweak the position and levels so the recording sounds like it does to someone in the "perfect seat." The Nakamichi 550 is blessed with an outstanding peak limiter that wrks smoothly and unobtrusively, allowing even wide dynamic range subjects such as pipe organ to be captured within the limits of Dolby B cassettes without introducing artifacts such as pumping or excessive distortion. I think sometimes recordists have the wrong expectation for what the Nakamichi Live Recording System can do well. Like any tool or technique, it cannot record every subject in every situation flawlessly. At some point in any discussion of recording techniques, some egotist will try to stir up an "us-vs-them" debate pitting multitrack versus minimalist and declaring one to be "the best." While there are theoretical arguments to made as to which is "best," such discussions serve only to display the author's need for attention, inexperience and ignorance of the aesthetics and practical issues of sound recording. Such bloviation may be safely ignored as background noise. Six aesthetic and practical purposes, or objectives, exist for a sound recording. For this discussion, I'm excluding duplication or re- recording of existing recordings. The recordist must decide which of these objectives the recording is to satisfy before the recording technique is chosen. Generally, these six possible aesthetic objectives of a sound recording are: 1. Preserve the sound exactly as it is heard by a listener attending the live performance with the highest possible clarity. The Nakamichi Live Recording System, as well as the other minimalist methods, are ideal to achieve this objective. It would be appropriate to state that a minimalist method is "best" if the recordist is trying to accomplish this objective. 2. Enhance the sound to make it better than what the listener would have heard at a live performance. This is best accomplished by multi- mike or multitrack methods. 3. Create new sounds by means of the recording process that could not otherwise be heard by the listener. In other words, the recording process becomes part of the musical performance and musical expression. This is best accomplished by multitrack methods. 4. Create a musical performance that could not otherwise have occurred live. For example, allow one person to play all the instruments used in the performance and sing along with the accompaniment at the same time. This can only be accomplished by multitrack methods. 5. Enable a finished musical performance to occur in situations that would otherwise preclude the performance from happening. In other words, let each musician record their part at separate times as their schedules allow. This can only be accomplished by multitrack methods. 6. Accomplish making a high quality recording in conditions where adverse acoustics and extraneous noises intruding into the environment would otherwise preclude making a recording that is clear and aesthetically pleasing. This is best accomplished by multi-mike or multitrack methods. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Mar 11 05:56:59 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:56:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tri mic recording In-Reply-To: <84C381BF-1D1D-40F2-8AA3-9951C05D2318@att.net> References: <84C381BF-1D1D-40F2-8AA3-9951C05D2318@att.net> Message-ID: On Mar 7, 2008, at 8:35 PM, B Morahan wrote: > I always wondered If other people felt slightly enthusiastic about > their Nak decks. Now that I have found Naktalk I realize the are > others with this strange feeling that I have always tried to > understand from the moment I first saw a 550 and had to get one to > start live recording. So my question to Nak fans is this. What has > been your experience recording music performances using the tri- > microphone system. Nakamichi thought of it as a good, simple and > effective way to record music in a concert classical/jazz setting, > performances that don't necessarily use a PA. system. I would record > mostly jazz bands in clubs and so there was usually some kind of > P.A. That made the placement of the mics a little more difficult. > If I went with the recommended type of placement the recording just > didn't sound right. > I have other thoughts on the subject but that's enough for now. By the way, try recording a drum kit using only three mikes arranged according to The Nakamichi Live Recording system as part of a multitrack recording. The results are astonishing! You'll have a very accurate and detailed drum kit and the kick drum will have a sense of impact you seldom hear in most commercial multitrack recordings. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From benstratford at aol.co.uk Mon Mar 10 19:03:39 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:03:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Found Set Of Gauges In-Reply-To: <8735269.1205160484325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8735269.1205160484325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CA50F0334590EF-1638-26F@webmail-nd03.sysops.aol.com> It was very laborious.? By searching many forums through old threads and finding where people send their general audio gear.? Then tracing the numbers and?calling them up and asking to speak to the workshops. By asking them if they knew any other contacts who serviced naks, it was one of these referrals that succeeded.? The company had a website but I would never have found it without assistance.? Just a load of hard work which paid off. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 3:48 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Found Set Of Gauges This is also my method. If I find a servicer who has gauges but wants to keep them (no why would anyone want to do that??)?? I tell them about NakTalk, and also urge them never to throw the gauges away.? It might be wise to contact those shops once a year, just so they have a contact should they decide to sell. Ben, how did you get addresses for Nakamichi dealers?? ? tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Tim Skorick Sent: Mar 9, 2008 11:22 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Found Set Of Gauges I scoured the Dallas-Fort Worth area as best I could given limited time slots during the day, but to no avail.? I'll try again sometime soon, I'm sure there are leads I missed. -Tim On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 1:51 AM, wrote: Short story: For some time I have been looking to acquire a set of gauges and lately I had stepped up the search.? This basically meant calling and emailing every possible lead to identify those in the business upto 30 years ago who may have had a set that is now redundant due to the lack of decks coming in for service or a change in business focus.? I actually emailed upto 40 nak dealers and hifi repair shops in 5 continents and about half a dozen did have a set of gauges but they were not for sale.? Eventually, I did get a positive reply from a lead in and after negotiation, now have a set of 10 Gauges on their way to New Zealand.? I know there are others who seek these gauges and would encourage anyone to do the same to ensure these treasures are not left to end up in the trash one day. Good Luck, Rgds, Ben Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ? ? ? ? ?Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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In-Reply-To: <9CBA8449C78641CB95E70AE998E1DB26@polan1PC> References: <9CBA8449C78641CB95E70AE998E1DB26@polan1PC> Message-ID: <8CA50F0E093EA3F-1638-2D1@webmail-nd03.sysops.aol.com> Hi Bruce, The 4 screws to remove the handles and faceplate are easy.? Then theres 3 screws to remove the transport, one at the top near the counter and 2 at the sides.? Then remove two electrical connectors and lift out the transport.? If you remove the solenoid - 2 screws (mark its original position) then the base plate can be removed easily.? I found it is also easy to remove the counter to improve access.? It should take 30 mins.? Good luck, Ben? -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Mann To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 4:44 am Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 Belt replacement: an easier way?????? Hi there - ? I need to replace the drive belt on my 600. I did this job on another 600 ages ago, and remember it being a HORRIBLE job. I had to virtually dismantly the chassis to get the protective plate off from below the motor..... ? Is there and easier way to do this? can anyone point me in the direction?of somewhere I can get more info?? ? I can't believe it's meant to be as hard as I made it!! ? Many thanks Bruce ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hasse-naks at hagenjohansen.dk Mon Mar 10 21:51:54 2008 From: hasse-naks at hagenjohansen.dk (Hasse Hagen Johansen) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:51:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Service manual for CR-4 Message-ID: <4d0569797e352a8459ee3f2e075bc74b@localhost> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:56:45 EDT, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/10/2008 1:34:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > hasse-naks at hagenjohansen.dk writes: > > Hi > > I have just bought my first Nakamichi casette recorder(I have some of > their > amplifiers). I think I have the idler problem, and would like hear if > anyone have a service manual for this machine? > > Regards > Hasse H. Johansen > > > > CR-4 doesn't have the rubber idler tirte. It does have, however, lots of > problems with any of the 3 the motors oxidizing. I know that from > experience. > > Jeff W > Yeah. I found out :-) I will try to see if I can clean the reel motor Regards Hasse From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 10 22:53:19 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:53:19 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480Z Message-ID: <12588998.1205185999487.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 10 22:56:48 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:56:48 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Found Set Of Gauges Message-ID: <3459702.1205186208923.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bruce at brucemann.net Tue Mar 11 14:30:21 2008 From: bruce at brucemann.net (Bruce Mann) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:30:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 Belt replacement: an easier way?????? In-Reply-To: <8CA50F0E093EA3F-1638-2D1@webmail-nd03.sysops.aol.com> References: <9CBA8449C78641CB95E70AE998E1DB26@polan1PC> <8CA50F0E093EA3F-1638-2D1@webmail-nd03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5B5A718046F042D686AC1AFBB780EF41@polan1PC> Thanks Ben - I now realise I did it completely the wrong way round! removed the bottom cover and went in from underneath.....oops..... Cheers Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: benstratford at aol.co.uk To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 600 Belt replacement: an easier way?????? Hi Bruce, The 4 screws to remove the handles and faceplate are easy. Then theres 3 screws to remove the transport, one at the top near the counter and 2 at the sides. Then remove two electrical connectors and lift out the transport. If you remove the solenoid - 2 screws (mark its original position) then the base plate can be removed easily. I found it is also easy to remove the counter to improve access. It should take 30 mins. Good luck, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Mann To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 4:44 am Subject: [naktalk] Nak 600 Belt replacement: an easier way?????? Hi there - I need to replace the drive belt on my 600. I did this job on another 600 ages ago, and remember it being a HORRIBLE job. I had to virtually dismantly the chassis to get the protective plate off from below the motor..... Is there and easier way to do this? can anyone point me in the direction of somewhere I can get more info?? I can't believe it's meant to be as hard as I made it!! 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Get the AIM toolbar for your browser. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 12:50:59 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:50:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? Message-ID: <031120081150.22942.47D672230008FDA70000599E22155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL! Maybe it was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over a long distance for maximum sound coverage! http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ150224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 12:55:07 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:55:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Bit of Nakamichi Gauge Confusion Message-ID: <031120081155.28426.47D6731B000B66B600006F0A22155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hello, All: I sent this e-mail to a few Naktalk members but never got a reply, so I'll put it out to everyone: There are two Nakamichi gauges currently on eBay right now: DA9042 - E.H. Stroke Check Gauge (eBay # 320225056361) DA9047 - Stroke Check Gauge (incorrectly listed as a Tilt Check Gauge - eBay # 320225482656) I don't know if I need to bid on either one of these, because they look identical to gauges that I already own. The 9047 Stroke Check Gauge looks identical to my 9090 Stroke Check Gauge. Even more strange, the 9042 E.H. Stroke Check Gauge looks identical to my 9091 GUIDE HEIGHT Gauge. (Why are there two different names?) ARE THESE GAUGES IN FACT IDENTICAL? If they are identical, why are the gauge numbers different? If so, there is no need for me to bid on them. If someone can tell me what might be different about the gauges on eBay, or what Nak model(s) the gauges are used for, I might consider bidding. But it doesn't look like I need either one of these gauges for my collection. PLEASE ADVISE....THANKS! *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Mar 11 13:55:50 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:55:50 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tri mic recording Message-ID: <031120081255.28103.47D68156000C5EB300006DC722155863949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Kermit: As a fellow home studio owner, I have done more than my fair share of reading up on the subject of mic placement and other essential recording techniques. I have to say that what you wrote is one of the most informative, well-written, and helpful essays on mic placement techniques I have ever read. You really do know your stuff! Thanks for sharing it. *andy* From mpl123 at xs4all.nl Tue Mar 11 21:16:28 2008 From: mpl123 at xs4all.nl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Deurloo?=) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:16:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] A lazy BX-150E Message-ID: <47D6E89C.9050803@xs4all.nl> Hello everyone, I did it again! I saved another BX from the scrapheap. Last week I saw one on a Dutch auction site. For free! Naturally I immediately responded. The previous owner, in his advertisement, stated: "This BX-150 has a strange defect. Since I won't get good money for it you might as well pick it up for free or I'll trade it to you for a nice DVD." I did the latter, fair enough. The defect is this BX-150 seems to have a mind of its own. I already contacted Henk Schenk, the Dutch Nakamichi surgeon, by Email . Sorry Henk..., if you read this, to me this is the right qualification for your good skills, haha. But Henk also is a bit puzzled. So I decided to try my luck here as well. Symptoms: The deck will play 1 side of a tape, then of course hits auto-stop. When you turn the tape and press PLAY again it immediately switches to the STOP position. It will FF, REW and PAUSE though. When I then turn off the deck with the POWER button, and back on again, it will happily play the other side of the tape. To me it seems to be a control issue of some kind. Dirty switches or contacts maybe? Electronics? Is there anyone out here to shine a little light on this matter? Thanks in advance, André From nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk Tue Mar 11 17:51:09 2008 From: nigelj52 at hotmail.co.uk (nigel vernon) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:51:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tri mic recording In-Reply-To: References: <84C381BF-1D1D-40F2-8AA3-9951C05D2318@att.net> Message-ID: As a complete novice and newcomer to recording I wondered if you could give me some advice. I would like to record in my home environment. Acoustic guitar and or violin with vocalist.Maybe some hand drums. Haven't a clue what type of mics would be most suitable or the best position for placement.Can you make some recommendations please. I would be most grateful. Nigel > From: notarbene at kvglabs.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tri mic recording > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:56:59 -0500 > > > On Mar 7, 2008, at 8:35 PM, B Morahan wrote: > > > I always wondered If other people felt slightly enthusiastic about > > their Nak decks. Now that I have found Naktalk I realize the are > > others with this strange feeling that I have always tried to > > understand from the moment I first saw a 550 and had to get one to > > start live recording. So my question to Nak fans is this. What has > > been your experience recording music performances using the tri- > > microphone system. Nakamichi thought of it as a good, simple and > > effective way to record music in a concert classical/jazz setting, > > performances that don't necessarily use a PA. system. I would record > > mostly jazz bands in clubs and so there was usually some kind of > > P.A. That made the placement of the mics a little more difficult. > > If I went with the recommended type of placement the recording just > > didn't sound right. > > I have other thoughts on the subject but that's enough for now. > > By the way, try recording a drum kit using only three mikes arranged > according to The Nakamichi Live Recording system as part of a > multitrack recording. The results are astonishing! You'll have a very > accurate and detailed drum kit and the kick drum will have a sense of > impact you seldom hear in most commercial multitrack recordings. > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe it was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over a long distance for maximum sound coverage! http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQite mZ150224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue Mar 11 23:41:59 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:41:59 EDT Subject: [naktalk] A lazy BX-150E Message-ID: In a message dated 3/11/2008 2:41:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mpl123 at xs4all.nl writes: Symptoms: The deck will play 1 side of a tape, then of course hits auto-stop. When you turn the tape and press PLAY again it immediately switches to the STOP position. It will FF, REW and PAUSE though. When I then turn off the deck with the POWER button, and back on again, it will happily play the other side of the tape. Try cleaning the leaf switches and squirt some DeOxIt in the little holes in the edge of the cam motor. JW **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianmo2001 at att.net Wed Mar 12 05:41:12 2008 From: brianmo2001 at att.net (B Morahan) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:41:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Response to message 11 Tri mic recording Message-ID: Your essay is great but I don't follow one thing. You state that the Nakamichi system improves on the the Bell Labs method by substituting three cardioid mikes for three omni mikes. The Nakamichi Live Recording System Manual states, "In general, however, unless their is good reason to use cardioid microphones, omni-directional microphones are preferred as they will yield superior results." My experience is that the omni mikes "hear" more. I only use cardioid mikes if the audience is too loud. Also: I wanted the recording to sound as experienced by the audience but if I used the setup you described some instruments didn't sound full, notably the piano I put my mikes on the stage and put one near the piano. I guess this may be wrong, it certainly isn't as described in the Nakamichi Live Recording Manual, but it worked for me. If I make a live recording now I use a DAT deck and because there is more dynamic range than my Nak decks, the placement of the mikes is more flexible. From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Wed Mar 12 00:06:09 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Message-ID: Hi, Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. Best regards, Gene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 11 23:58:25 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:58:25 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] A Bit of Nakamichi Gauge Confusion Message-ID: <31617912.1205276305594.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Andy, Looking at my gauges, I find no DA 9042 or DA 9047. I do however have DA9051 E.H. stroke check which actually does supply guide height, erase head penetration (optical) and TU guide height. I also have DA 9038 stroke check which has Supply guide height with a notch in it, and single head stroke. The two you have DA9090, 9091 are "Gauge S" versions which were for the 3 head Sankyo decks. This gauge set was the second required set for ASCs in the 80's. DA9090 has record and separate play head stroke marks. It can be used on any Nakamichi. DA9091 Guide height S is identical to DA9051 with a small notch cut into the TU guide gauge. Here is my guess, based on the Nak part number for the Information Terminal M-300 gauge that sold last week (for way too much money!). Nakamichi had some gauges built in the early days for the Dual and Tri-Tracers that were not requirements for the service centers (beacause I did not have to by them). They then did some redesigns for the first set required in the US, and by then replaced the M-300 with the electronic tilt checkers. The DA9042 and 9047, therefore, would be obsolete. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 5:55 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] A Bit of Nakamichi Gauge Confusion > > >Hello, All: > >I sent this e-mail to a few Naktalk members but never got a reply, so I'll put it out to everyone: > >There are two Nakamichi gauges currently on eBay right now: > >DA9042 - E.H. Stroke Check Gauge (eBay # 320225056361) > >DA9047 - Stroke Check Gauge (incorrectly listed as a Tilt Check Gauge - eBay # 320225482656) > >I don't know if I need to bid on either one of these, because they look identical to gauges that I already own. > >The 9047 Stroke Check Gauge looks identical to my 9090 Stroke Check Gauge. > >Even more strange, the 9042 E.H. Stroke Check Gauge looks identical to my 9091 GUIDE HEIGHT Gauge. (Why are there two different names?) > >ARE THESE GAUGES IN FACT IDENTICAL? If they are identical, why are the gauge numbers different? > >If so, there is no need for me to bid on them. If someone can tell me what might be different about the gauges on eBay, or what Nak model(s) the gauges are used for, I might consider bidding. But it doesn't look like I need either one of these gauges for my collection. > >PLEASE ADVISE....THANKS! > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 12 00:04:09 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:04:09 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] A lazy BX-150E Message-ID: <12424045.1205276649537.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Andre, Try playing, then press stop and turn the tape over. Will it play? If so, the microprocessor latches when the autostop is triggered, which probably requires a new micro. If it won't, then something strange is going on. It may be dirty or noisy cam switch contacts, which may not properly detect the stop position. The deck may not go into play if it doesn't know what mode it is in. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: André Deurloo >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 2:16 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] A lazy BX-150E > >Hello everyone, > >I did it again! I saved another BX from the scrapheap. Last week I saw >one on a Dutch auction site. For free! Naturally I immediately >responded. The previous owner, in his advertisement, stated: "This >BX-150 has a strange defect. Since I won't get good money for it you >might as well pick it up for free or I'll trade it to you for a nice >DVD." I did the latter, fair enough. > >The defect is this BX-150 seems to have a mind of its own. I already >contacted Henk Schenk, the Dutch Nakamichi surgeon, by Email . Sorry >Henk..., if you read this, to me this is the right qualification for >your good skills, haha. But Henk also is a bit puzzled. So I decided to >try my luck here as well. > >Symptoms: The deck will play 1 side of a tape, then of course hits >auto-stop. When you turn the tape and press PLAY again it immediately >switches to the STOP position. It will FF, REW and PAUSE though. When I >then turn off the deck with the POWER button, and back on again, it >will happily play the other side of the tape. > >To me it seems to be a control issue of some kind. Dirty switches or >contacts maybe? Electronics? Is there anyone out here to shine a little >light on this matter? > >Thanks in advance, > >André >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From johnn380 at tx.rr.com Wed Mar 12 02:53:14 2008 From: johnn380 at tx.rr.com (John Nelson) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:53:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX Message-ID: <001701c883e3$d62df4d0$6400000a@John687DEA0AFB> I just ran across this ad on ebay for a wonderful new feature enhanced 680zx...Item number: 180222609683 Where did this guy get this from.... For sale is a member of my prized collection of stereo equipment, the Nakamichi 680ZX. I was told that Nakamichi produced the Nakamichi 680ZX before the Nakamichi Dragon was released. If you listen closely for 1 to 3 seconds after the playback of a new pre-recorded cassette is initiated in this unit, you will hear the sound brighten, developing a rich fullness. This is the unit's self-adjusting (Auto-Azimuth Adjustment) for maximal response on each cassette tape. This unit does its Auto Azimuth Adjustment transparently without the indicator lights hosted by the Nakamichi Dragon. This unit was purchased in 1980 shortly after my graduation from Graceland University. It has been stored in a cabinet with the rest of my stereo equipment in a smoke-free, climate controlled home. During its last ten years, a surge and spike protector protected it. I am selling this unit because I do not listen to or record cassette tapes as much as I once did. This unit was recently serviced by Audio Mart Service Center in Kansas City, MO. They have serviced all of my high end stereo equipment since 1982. They professionally cleaned the unit and checked all functions and switches. As any Stereo fanatic would expect, it passed with flying colors. As one would imagine, I have moved several times the owner's manual and original box have been lost. For the Nakamichi's journey to your home, I will carefully package it. This unit is for sell only to good home, I want it well cared for, if you have any doubts about this unit, do not bid on it. A collector's item if this value is not expected to go homeless. For this day of selling this prized possession, I did some internet research on this unit. I noticed that a search indicated that downloads of the owner's manual are available for a nominal price. I also found the specs and writings by other admirers of the Nakamichi 680ZX. Nakamichi perfected the art of making the world's finest cassette deck with the 680ZX. This Nakamichi is the known as the finest non-reversing cassette deck with three heads, metal tape support, a half speed mode and a fifty segment meter. The Nakamichi has a full 20-20,000 frequency response on good quality tape with manual bias adjustments. adjustments). It only supports Dolby B noise reduction. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: rtCurve.gif Type: image/gif Size: 64 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 12 05:43:33 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:43:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Help Wanted with Scott Johnson Message-ID: It's been over one year that Scott Johnson has had my Nakamichi ZX-7 tape deck in his possession. It was delivered to him March 9th, 2007. I sent it insured with a true valued at $500. Since that time I have been in contact with Scott up to November 16th of last year when he stated in an email to me, "I'll have your ZX-7 on it's way back to you on Nov. 28th. Sorry about the delay." Ever since that posting, I have not heard from Scott again. Last December, Naktalk members where posting the subject about slow shipping services. Because of that, I waited the whole month of December for my tape deck to arrive. Stating in January, I made numeroos emails to Scott asking what happened, please give me an update, please send the unit back, etc. Finally the last two weeks I emailed him stating that if I get no response, I'll go to the Naktalk group for help. Scott has repaired my Nakamichi ST-7 tuner, sent me a wireless remote for my ST-7, and sent me a wireless remote unit for my LX-5. I've asked him a few times to send the bill, but no respond. Today I still don't know what the ST-7 repair bill is. Can somebody help me out? The ZX-7 I sent him is an exceptional unit in looks and performance. The old owner of ten Nakamichi decks had made a $340 repair on it and it sounds wounderfull. I'm the guy who always said that my ZX-7 sounds better than my Sanktified Dragon cassette deck. The reason I sent the tape deck to Scott was because Steve Sank was no longer available, as so many members of this group knows. The only thing wrong with my ZX-7 was a grinding noise at the end of tape rewind, and a sticky tape/monitor switch. In conclusion, I just wanted the tape deck serviced and tuned up, as we all know what that consists of. Scott - If you're out there, please let the group know and please help by contacting me. All I have is Scott's email address. If any Naktalk members can help me, please do so. I have been an active member on the group for some 8 years and have answered a few questions and concerns on the Naktalk postings.. I'm no Nak technician, just a guy who's been working in the engineering department since 1981. I read all postings and love Nakamichi tape decks. My phone number is 602-292-4706. _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Mar 12 01:11:02 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:11:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? In-Reply-To: <031120081150.22942.47D672230008FDA70000599E22155786749C9C0 1089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <031120081150.22942.47D672230008FDA70000599E22155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080312001059.HQZU20314.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Andy, I believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from places like Microswitch,Omron, etc,... At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote: >This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL! > >Maybe it was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over >a long distance for maximum sound coverage! > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ150224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Mar 12 06:16:29 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:16:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Response to message 11 Tri mic recording In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah! Good points, perhaps the word "improved" was unwise on my part, as is the word "superior" used by Nakamichi. We have an issue of historical context here. One of my recording teachers was an assistant to E. C. Wente, one of the engineers who developed the Bell Labs system. They had phasing problems with the omni mikes they used, but in 1928 a directional condensor mike sounded awful, so they stayed with omnis and tried to minimize the phasing problems. Another thing they discovered was that a directional mike minimized room sound, desirable is some but not all circumstances, and also allowed closer spacing of the mikes, also desirable with some subjects, such as small combos. But, again, no directional mike available in 1928 was satisfactory. Both positions are conditionally correct. Omni mikes have superior transient response compared to directional mikes, even today, as shown by the amazing omnis made by Earthworks, Schoeps, and DPA. In the 1970s when Nakamichi created their system, omnis had flatter frequency response, and most small-diaphragm cardioid condensors were noisier, had worse THD, and tended to beam high frequencies. Today, it is possible to make ruler-flat directional condensor mikes that are dead quiet and with just a good THD specs as omnis, such as those made by DPA and Josephson. Many of the quality issues that prompted Nakamichi to criticize cardioids are no longer an issue with many of today's mikes. Use omnis when you want the best possible transient response, in situations where mono compatibility is unneeded, or when the presence of room acoustics and audience noise in the recording is desired or is not unwanted. Placing omnis close in to small subjects, such as jazz combos or string quartets, is problematic but not impossible. There is a tendency for the stereo image to be exaggerated. Use high quality cardioids when you must minimize room acoustics, reduce audience noise, need some (but not perfect) mono compatibility, and are dealing with smaller subjects and have little time to experiment with optimum mike placement. Cardioids will give some freedom to make errors in placement yet still have vivid imaging. Cardioids also let you create a spatial image that has a better- focused center with most subjects. A cardioid will boost bass somewhat and can reduce the effect of low frequency resonance canceling put the amount of bass recorded in rooms with poor acoustics. If the room acoustics are good, omnis will create a better sense of solidity with bass sounds but a slightly fuzzy center image. Cardioids will tighten up the imaging, but the bass, ironically, loses impact in good acoustics. Conversely, with poor room acoustics omnis will usually give muddy and indistinct bass, and cardioids will give better defined bass. A good compromise is to use omnis for the left and right mikes and a cardioid for the center. Professionally, in the 1970s, I seldom ever had time to find optimum placement, so I used high quality cardioid dynamic mikes almost exclusively. This choice avoided the quality issues of cardioid condensor mikes yet gave me the freedom of placement and the ability to reduce venue noise. It also improved reliability because I didn't have to hassle with power supplies or batteries. Today I customarily use the same setup simply because I'm so used to it I don't have to waste time. I accomplished the best recordings of grand piano, string quartets or trios or harpsichord with three spaced Beyerdynamic M160 ribbon mikes. I had a few situations where the instruments didn't sound full with the three mikes placed as shown in the Nakamichi system. This shows a situation where that system is inadequate, so alternate mike placement must be found, as you experienced. On Mar 11, 2008, at 11:41 PM, B Morahan wrote: > Your essay is great but I don't follow one thing. You state that the > Nakamichi system improves on the the Bell Labs method by > substituting three cardioid mikes for three omni mikes. The > Nakamichi Live Recording System Manual states, "In general, however, > unless their is good reason to use cardioid microphones, omni- > directional microphones are preferred as they will yield superior > results." My experience is that the omni mikes "hear" more. I only > use cardioid mikes if the audience is too loud. > Also: > I wanted the recording to sound as experienced by the audience but > if I used the setup you described some instruments didn't sound > full, notably the piano I put my mikes on the stage and put one near > the piano. I guess this may be wrong, it certainly isn't as > described in the Nakamichi Live Recording Manual, but it worked for > me. If I make a live recording now I use a DAT deck and because > there is more dynamic range than my Nak decks, the placement of the > mikes is more flexible. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Mar 12 06:19:29 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:19:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX In-Reply-To: <001701c883e3$d62df4d0$6400000a@John687DEA0AFB> References: <001701c883e3$d62df4d0$6400000a@John687DEA0AFB> Message-ID: Hi John, I live nearby Kansas City, and Audio Mart's service center once told me they couldn't fix an older Nakamichi deck but could send it to "a specialist out East." The 680ZX adjusts the RECORD azimuth, not the PLAY azimuth like a Dragon. It doesn't behave with a pre-recorded tape as the seller describes. On Mar 11, 2008, at 8:53 PM, John Nelson wrote: > I just ran across this ad on ebay for a wonderful new feature > enhanced 680zx...Item number: 180222609683 > Where did this guy get this from.... > > For sale is a member of my prized collection of stereo equipment, > the Nakamichi 680ZX. I was told that Nakamichi produced the > Nakamichi 680ZX before the Nakamichi Dragon was released. If you > listen closely for 1 to 3 seconds after the playback of a new pre- > recorded cassette is initiated in this unit, you will hear the sound > brighten, developing a rich fullness. This is the unit's self- > adjusting (Auto-Azimuth Adjustment) for maximal response on each > cassette tape. This unit does its Auto Azimuth Adjustment > transparently without the indicator lights hosted by the Nakamichi > Dragon. > > This unit was purchased in 1980 shortly after my graduation from > Graceland University. It has been stored in a cabinet with the rest > of my stereo equipment in a smoke-free, climate controlled home. > During its last ten years, a surge and spike protector protected > it. I am selling this unit because I do not listen to or record > cassette tapes as much as I once did. This unit was recently > serviced by Audio Mart Service Center in Kansas City, MO. They have > serviced all of my high end stereo equipment since 1982. They > professionally cleaned the unit and checked all functions and > switches. As any Stereo fanatic would expect, it passed with flying > colors. As one would imagine, I have moved several times the > owner's manual and original box have been lost. For the Nakamichi's > journey to your home, I will carefully package it. This unit is for > sell only to good home, I want it well cared for, if you have any > doubts about this unit, do not bid on it. A collector's item if > this value is not expected to go homeless. > > For this day of selling this prized possession, I did some internet > research on this unit. I noticed that a search indicated that > downloads of the owner's manual are available for a nominal price. > I also found the specs and writings by other admirers of the > Nakamichi 680ZX. > > Nakamichi perfected the art of making the world's finest cassette > deck with the 680ZX. This Nakamichi is the known as the finest non- > reversing cassette deck with three heads, metal tape support, a half > speed mode and a fifty segment meter. The Nakamichi has a full > 20-20,000 frequency response on good quality tape with manual bias > adjustments. adjustments). It only supports Dolby B noise reduction. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From luis at peromarta.org Wed Mar 12 08:49:12 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:49:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX In-Reply-To: References: <001701c883e3$d62df4d0$6400000a@John687DEA0AFB> Message-ID: <47D78AF8.9010800@peromarta.org> And has no external manual bias adjustment, only internal. Best rgds, LP Kermit Gray escribió: > Hi John, > > I live nearby Kansas City, and Audio Mart's service center once told me > they couldn't fix an older Nakamichi deck but could send it to "a > specialist out East." The 680ZX adjusts the RECORD azimuth, not the PLAY > azimuth like a Dragon. It doesn't behave with a pre-recorded tape as the > seller describes. > > On Mar 11, 2008, at 8:53 PM, John Nelson wrote: > >> I just ran across this ad on ebay for a wonderful new feature enhanced >> 680zx...Item number: 180222609683 >> Where did this guy get this from.... >> >> For sale is a member of my prized collection of stereo equipment, the >> Nakamichi 680ZX. I was told that Nakamichi produced the Nakamichi >> 680ZX before the Nakamichi Dragon was released. If you listen closely >> for 1 to 3 seconds after the playback of a new pre-recorded cassette >> is initiated in this unit, you will hear the sound brighten, >> developing a rich fullness. This is the unit's self-adjusting >> (Auto-Azimuth Adjustment) for maximal response on each cassette tape. >> This unit does its Auto Azimuth Adjustment transparently without the >> indicator lights hosted by the Nakamichi Dragon. >> >> This unit was purchased in 1980 shortly after my graduation from >> Graceland University. It has been stored in a cabinet with the rest >> of my stereo equipment in a smoke-free, climate controlled home. >> During its last ten years, a surge and spike protector protected it. >> I am selling this unit because I do not listen to or record cassette >> tapes as much as I once did. This unit was recently serviced by Audio >> Mart Service Center in Kansas City, MO. They have serviced all of my >> high end stereo equipment since 1982. They professionally cleaned the >> unit and checked all functions and switches. As any Stereo fanatic >> would expect, it passed with flying colors. As one would imagine, I >> have moved several times the owner's manual and original box have been >> lost. For the Nakamichi's journey to your home, I will carefully >> package it. This unit is for sell only to good home, I want it well >> cared for, if you have any doubts about this unit, do not bid on it. >> A collector's item if this value is not expected to go homeless. >> >> For this day of selling this prized possession, I did some internet >> research on this unit. I noticed that a search indicated that >> downloads of the owner's manual are available for a nominal price. I >> also found the specs and writings by other admirers of the Nakamichi >> 680ZX. >> >> Nakamichi perfected the art of making the world's finest cassette deck >> with the 680ZX. This Nakamichi is the known as the finest >> non-reversing cassette deck with three heads, metal tape support, a >> half speed mode and a fifty segment meter. The Nakamichi has a full >> 20-20,000 frequency response on good quality tape with manual bias >> adjustments. adjustments). It only supports Dolby B noise reduction. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed Mar 12 07:24:21 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:24:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Gene, As also own the same deck.... first try to move forth & back all such potentiometers EX/SX & ZX...both level & bias for at least one minute each one from looking to a clock 07.00 > 17.00 (Trust that you will comprehend what I mean!?), as IF such just "Picked' Dragon deck was NOT used for long time...this "Free Of Charge" maintenance will help in most case. As you wrote the Bias oscillator is working...so from my ample knowledge...what I write you will 90% help. Inform to all of us the results...BTW...also clean extremely well all the heads, pinch rollers/capstans & DEGAUSS all very carefully (Deck OFF mains plug OFF from the wall...as you are a novice in this matter...my best & secure advise!). Good luck, Truly, Alex! From: gene at jazzgenemusic.comTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:09 -0400Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Hi, Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. Best regards, Gene _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Wed Mar 12 11:33:40 2008 From: timbarrett at cox.net (Tim Barrett) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:33:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX In-Reply-To: <001701c883e3$d62df4d0$6400000a@John687DEA0AFB> References: <001701c883e3$d62df4d0$6400000a@John687DEA0AFB> Message-ID: <47D7B184.2060903@cox.net> Actually, it sounds like his capstan belt is wearing out and the tape path is unstable for the first few seconds of play. He may be hearing the tape path wander and then stabilize in the correct place. Tim John Nelson wrote: > I just ran across this ad on ebay for a wonderful new feature enhanced > 680zx...Item number: 180222609683 > Where did this guy get this from.... > > For sale is a member of my prized collection of stereo equipment, the > Nakamichi 680ZX. I was told that Nakamichi produced the Nakamichi > 680ZX before the Nakamichi Dragon was released. If you listen closely > for 1 to 3 seconds after the playback of a new pre-recorded cassette > is initiated in this unit, you will hear the sound brighten, > developing a rich fullness. This is the unit's self-adjusting > (Auto-Azimuth Adjustment) for maximal response on each cassette tape. > This unit does its Auto Azimuth Adjustment transparently without the > indicator lights hosted by the Nakamichi Dragon. > > This unit was purchased in 1980 shortly after my graduation from > Graceland University. It has been stored in a cabinet with the rest > of my stereo equipment in a smoke-free, climate controlled home. > During its last ten years, a surge and spike protector protected it. > I am selling this unit because I do not listen to or record cassette > tapes as much as I once did. This unit was recently serviced by Audio > Mart Service Center in Kansas City, MO. They have serviced all of my > high end stereo equipment since 1982. They professionally cleaned the > unit and checked all functions and switches. As any Stereo fanatic > would expect, it passed with flying colors. As one would imagine, I > have moved several times the owner's manual and original box have been > lost. For the Nakamichi's journey to your home, I will carefully > package it. This unit is for sell only to good home, I want it well > cared for, if you have any doubts about this unit, do not bid on it. > A collector's item if this value is not expected to go homeless. > > For this day of selling this prized possession, I did some internet > research on this unit. I noticed that a search indicated that > downloads of the owner's manual are available for a nominal price. I > also found the specs and writings by other admirers of the Nakamichi > 680ZX. > > Nakamichi perfected the art of making the world's finest cassette deck > with the 680ZX. This Nakamichi is the known as the finest > non-reversing cassette deck with three heads, metal tape support, a > half speed mode and a fifty segment meter. The Nakamichi has a full > 20-20,000 frequency response on good quality tape with manual bias > adjustments. adjustments). It only supports Dolby B noise reduction. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Wed Mar 12 13:14:08 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:14:08 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX References: <001701c883e3$d62df4d0$6400000a@John687DEA0AFB> Message-ID: <00e101c8843a$92c36e30$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> That is a classic ..wonderous BS.. and ..a must buy... You see this so often these people must truely believe what they write.. such is the legend of Nakamichi Looks like a case of slightly sticking pinch rollers or worn mode control belt, so you have to wonder how good the service was!! From modernizy at netscape.net Wed Mar 12 12:46:45 2008 From: modernizy at netscape.net (modernizy at netscape.net) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:46:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Auxiliary device for T-100 Message-ID: <8CA524DE1E50840-368-36ED@FWM-D42.sysops.aol.com> Hi, Another strange device associated with T-100 at German E-bay: http://cgi.ebay.de/Geraet-device-for-Nakamichi-T-100-Audio-Analyzer-T-100_W0QQitemZ330218517375QQihZ014QQcategoryZ27795QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting Any clues or wild guesses? What is it? Thank you in advance for any information. Nick. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougg at mmsav.com Wed Mar 12 14:59:37 2008 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:59:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Bit of Nakamichi Gauge Confusion In-Reply-To: <031120081155.28426.47D6731B000B66B600006F0A22155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <031120081155.28426.47D6731B000B66B600006F0A22155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD4232D1CB5B2@mail.mmsav.com> Hi Andy, I apologize for my delayed response. We've had a lot of "stuff" happening lately and it's been crazy. I have looked through some of my old service center requirements and Nakamichi did list the 9047 Stroke Gauge as a required gauge for Authorized Service Centers in 1991. They told me that I did not need to purchase that particular gauge since we only serviced the newer decks that we sold and could send the classics back to Nak. Let me look in my old price list when I get home and see what it says. You may want to contact Luis at http://peromarta.org/naks/ since he has a "gauge project" underway. He appears to have put quite a bit of effort into making calibration tapes and may be the guru. Again I'll look at my old parts price list from the '90s and see if it has a description of the gauges. Thanks, Doug Guth, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 (864) 297-8533 -----Original Message----- From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net [mailto:hwbosshoss at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:55 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] A Bit of Nakamichi Gauge Confusion Hello, All: I sent this e-mail to a few Naktalk members but never got a reply, so I'll put it out to everyone: There are two Nakamichi gauges currently on eBay right now: DA9042 - E.H. Stroke Check Gauge (eBay # 320225056361) DA9047 - Stroke Check Gauge (incorrectly listed as a Tilt Check Gauge - eBay # 320225482656) I don't know if I need to bid on either one of these, because they look identical to gauges that I already own. The 9047 Stroke Check Gauge looks identical to my 9090 Stroke Check Gauge. Even more strange, the 9042 E.H. Stroke Check Gauge looks identical to my 9091 GUIDE HEIGHT Gauge. (Why are there two different names?) ARE THESE GAUGES IN FACT IDENTICAL? If they are identical, why are the gauge numbers different? If so, there is no need for me to bid on them. If someone can tell me what might be different about the gauges on eBay, or what Nak model(s) the gauges are used for, I might consider bidding. But it doesn't look like I need either one of these gauges for my collection. PLEASE ADVISE....THANKS! *andy* From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Wed Mar 12 16:46:42 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:46:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Alex, Thanks for your advice. I tried your suggestion and it still is no good. The Normal and Metal works fine. The Chrome setting, the bias meter reads really low. The meter reads very low even with the bias turned all the way clockwise. The strange thing is after trying many times, it will finally work and I can bias properly but then the next time, the same story. The meter measures wrong all the way down on the meter. I am new to this deck but I am not new to electronics. Can this be a trimmer problem on the Chrome/bias? Or maybe some intermittent switch with the EQ 120/70 setting? It works like 1 out of 20 tries so I have to get this fixed. Thanks for your time and knowledge. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:24 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Hello Gene, As also own the same deck.... first try to move forth & back all such potentiometers EX/SX & ZX...both level & bias for at least one minute each one from looking to a clock 07.00 > 17.00 (Trust that you will comprehend what I mean!?), as IF such just "Picked' Dragon deck was NOT used for long time...this "Free Of Charge" maintenance will help in most case. As you wrote the Bias oscillator is working...so from my ample knowledge...what I write you will 90% help. Inform to all of us the results...BTW...also clean extremely well all the heads, pinch rollers/capstans & DEGAUSS all very carefully (Deck OFF mains plug OFF from the wall...as you are a novice in this matter...my best & secure advise!). Good luck, Truly, Alex! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Hi, Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. Best regards, Gene ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 12 15:03:43 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:03:43 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Response to message 11 Tri mic recording Message-ID: <8805101.1205330623394.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The use of cardoids comes with the concept of "aiming" microphones. I exeprienced an epiphany when I used Beyer omnis to record a pit orchestra, and heard everything in perfect balance! When using omnis in real space you have to choose the correct distance from the sound source to balance direct sound, the mixture and balance of sources, and the room sound. This usually means closer and higher mic postions. Nakamichi mic systems (CM700, CM1000) came with both omni and cardoid capsules. The cardoids were better sounding, due to a smoother pattern of rear frequency rejection (no lobes), so they were easier to use, or misbehaved less perhaps. Even the Nak shotgun capsule could sound musical. It was a Greatful Dead "Taper's" standard in a 2 mic setup. What fun it would be to have NakTalk copies of Dead concerts done with a 550 and CM700s! I'll have to talk to "dancin' Dan" about it. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: B Morahan >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 10:41 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Response to message 11 Tri mic recording > >Your essay is great but I don't follow one thing. You state that the >Nakamichi system improves on the the Bell Labs method by substituting >three cardioid mikes for three omni mikes. The Nakamichi Live >Recording System Manual states, "In general, however, unless their is >good reason to use cardioid microphones, omni-directional microphones >are preferred as they will yield superior results." My experience is >that the omni mikes "hear" more. I only use cardioid mikes if the >audience is too loud. >Also: >I wanted the recording to sound as experienced by the audience but if >I used the setup you described some instruments didn't sound full, >notably the piano I put my mikes on the stage and put one near the >piano. I guess this may be wrong, it certainly isn't as described in >the Nakamichi Live Recording Manual, but it worked for me. If I make a >live recording now I use a DAT deck and because there is more dynamic >range than my Nak decks, the placement of the mikes is more flexible. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 12 15:16:57 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:16:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? Message-ID: <12394928.1205331417733.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the "Snake". This groundbreaking and expensive deck featured "euro-styling" and 100 hour (really long) recording time on a single cassette. To achieve this amazing feat, the deck removed and discarded the cassette shell entirely, loaded the magnetic tape into its yellow tubular body, and traversed its length with the new "Crystarolypoly" head. Multiple tapes could be stored within the tube, making the Nakamichi Snake the most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included were Dolby SSSSS, and polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and remain largely hidden in the grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Roland >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? > >Andy, > >I believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from >places like Microswitch,Omron, etc,... > > > >At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote: > >>This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL! >> >>Maybe it was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over >>a long distance for maximum sound coverage! >> >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ150224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> >> >>*andy* >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 12 15:21:44 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:21:44 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Response to message 11 Tri mic recording Message-ID: <2880995.1205331704907.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Kermit, I hadn't thought of the transient response issue, but your point makes total sense. Cardoids phase shift at selected frequency bands, and phase shift destroys transient integrity. I value dynamics over any other recorded sound attribute, and have always preferred omnis! Thank you. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kermit Gray >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 11:16 PM >To: B Morahan >Cc: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Response to message 11 Tri mic recording > >Ah! Good points, perhaps the word "improved" was unwise on my part, as >is the word "superior" used by Nakamichi. We have an issue of >historical context here. > >One of my recording teachers was an assistant to E. C. Wente, one of >the engineers who developed the Bell Labs system. They had phasing >problems with the omni mikes they used, but in 1928 a directional >condensor mike sounded awful, so they stayed with omnis and tried to >minimize the phasing problems. Another thing they discovered was that >a directional mike minimized room sound, desirable is some but not all >circumstances, and also allowed closer spacing of the mikes, also >desirable with some subjects, such as small combos. But, again, no >directional mike available in 1928 was satisfactory. > >Both positions are conditionally correct. Omni mikes have superior >transient response compared to directional mikes, even today, as shown >by the amazing omnis made by Earthworks, Schoeps, and DPA. In the >1970s when Nakamichi created their system, omnis had flatter frequency >response, and most small-diaphragm cardioid condensors were noisier, >had worse THD, and tended to beam high frequencies. Today, it is >possible to make ruler-flat directional condensor mikes that are dead >quiet and with just a good THD specs as omnis, such as those made by >DPA and Josephson. Many of the quality issues that prompted Nakamichi >to criticize cardioids are no longer an issue with many of today's >mikes. > >Use omnis when you want the best possible transient response, in >situations where mono compatibility is unneeded, or when the presence >of room acoustics and audience noise in the recording is desired or is >not unwanted. Placing omnis close in to small subjects, such as jazz >combos or string quartets, is problematic but not impossible. There is >a tendency for the stereo image to be exaggerated. > >Use high quality cardioids when you must minimize room acoustics, >reduce audience noise, need some (but not perfect) mono compatibility, >and are dealing with smaller subjects and have little time to >experiment with optimum mike placement. Cardioids will give some >freedom to make errors in placement yet still have vivid imaging. >Cardioids also let you create a spatial image that has a better- >focused center with most subjects. A cardioid will boost bass somewhat >and can reduce the effect of low frequency resonance canceling put the >amount of bass recorded in rooms with poor acoustics. > >If the room acoustics are good, omnis will create a better sense of >solidity with bass sounds but a slightly fuzzy center image. Cardioids >will tighten up the imaging, but the bass, ironically, loses impact in >good acoustics. Conversely, with poor room acoustics omnis will >usually give muddy and indistinct bass, and cardioids will give better >defined bass. > >A good compromise is to use omnis for the left and right mikes and a >cardioid for the center. > >Professionally, in the 1970s, I seldom ever had time to find optimum >placement, so I used high quality cardioid dynamic mikes almost >exclusively. This choice avoided the quality issues of cardioid >condensor mikes yet gave me the freedom of placement and the ability >to reduce venue noise. It also improved reliability because I didn't >have to hassle with power supplies or batteries. Today I customarily >use the same setup simply because I'm so used to it I don't have to >waste time. > >I accomplished the best recordings of grand piano, string quartets or >trios or harpsichord with three spaced Beyerdynamic M160 ribbon mikes. > >I had a few situations where the instruments didn't sound full with >the three mikes placed as shown in the Nakamichi system. This shows a >situation where that system is inadequate, so alternate mike placement >must be found, as you experienced. > > >On Mar 11, 2008, at 11:41 PM, B Morahan wrote: > >> Your essay is great but I don't follow one thing. You state that the >> Nakamichi system improves on the the Bell Labs method by >> substituting three cardioid mikes for three omni mikes. The >> Nakamichi Live Recording System Manual states, "In general, however, >> unless their is good reason to use cardioid microphones, omni- >> directional microphones are preferred as they will yield superior >> results." My experience is that the omni mikes "hear" more. I only >> use cardioid mikes if the audience is too loud. >> Also: >> I wanted the recording to sound as experienced by the audience but >> if I used the setup you described some instruments didn't sound >> full, notably the piano I put my mikes on the stage and put one near >> the piano. I guess this may be wrong, it certainly isn't as >> described in the Nakamichi Live Recording Manual, but it worked for >> me. If I make a live recording now I use a DAT deck and because >> there is more dynamic range than my Nak decks, the placement of the >> mikes is more flexible. > >-- Kermit Gray >notarbene at kvglabs.com >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to Make Your Music Better >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >Telephone: 913-422-0957 >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 12 15:32:52 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:32:52 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Auxiliary device for T-100 Message-ID: <4668684.1205332372655.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Wed Mar 12 14:32:06 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:32:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX Message-ID: <8CA525C997F9748-1730-12B3@Webmail-mg19.sim.aol.com> Hi John Sounds to me as though the 680ZX in question has quite a common service related condition that the owner has decided is a design feature. In any of the decks with the "classic" transport, if either of the roller assemblies are slow to rotate into position, the tape runs initially off correct track alignment, since only one roller and capstan pair are engaged - the deck is running as a single capstan deck at this time. As soon as the second roller assembly (that is gummed up with old lubricant) rotates begrudgingly into position, the transport starts behaving like a dual capstan transport, and correct track alignment is achieved. When this happens, the sound is dull at first with wrong alignment, and then brightens up when correct alignment is achieved. This behaviour is quite common. So I'm inclined to think that this 680ZX is simply in need of service. . Regards John Gipps Message: 13 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:53:14 -0500 From: "John Nelson" Subject: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <001701c883e3$d62df4d0$6400000a at John687DEA0AFB> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just ran across this ad on ebay for a wonderful new feature enhanced 680zx...Item number: 180222609683 Where did this guy get this from.... For sale is a member of my prized collection of stereo equipment, the Nakamichi 680ZX. I was told that Nakamichi produced the Nakamichi 680ZX before the Nakamichi Dragon was released. If you listen closely for 1 to 3 seconds after the playback of a new pre-recorded cassette is initiated in this unit, you will hear the sound brighten, developing a rich fullness. This is the unit's self-adjusting (Auto-Azimuth Adjustment) for maximal response on each cassette tape. This unit does its Auto Azimuth Adjustment transparently without the indicator lights hosted by the Nakamichi Dragon. This unit was purchased in 1980 shortly after my graduation from Graceland University. It has been stored in a cabinet with the rest of my stereo equipment in a smoke-free, climate controlled home. During its last ten years, a surge and spike protector protected it. I am selling this unit because I do not listen to or record cassette tapes as much as I once did. This unit was recently serviced by Audio Mart Service Center in Kansas City, MO. They have serviced all of my high end stereo equipment since 1982. They professionally cleaned the unit and checked all functions and switches. As any Stereo fanatic would expect, it passed with flying colors. As one would imagine, I have moved several times the owner's manual and original box have been lost. For the Nakamichi's journey to your home, I will carefully package it. This unit is for sell only to good home, I want it well cared for, if you have any doubts about this unit, do not bid on it. A collector's item if this value is not expected to go homeless. For this day of selling this prized possession, I did some internet research on this unit. I noticed that a search indicated that downloads of the owner's manual are available for a nominal price. I also found the specs and writings by other admirers of the Nakamichi 680ZX. Nakamichi perfected the art of making the world's finest cassette deck with the 680ZX. This Nakamichi is the known as the finest non-reversing cassette deck with three heads, metal tape support, a half speed mode and a fifty segment meter. The Nakamichi has a full 20-20,000 frequency response on good quality tape with manual bias adjustments. adjustments). It only supports Dolby B noise reduction. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Wed Mar 12 15:55:52 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:25:52 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units References: <200803121102.m2CB1mOG002373@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi everybody I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling would be needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current wire or thinner ? Would love to have inputs from all of you. Regards Soumi From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Mar 12 19:57:33 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:57:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <200803121102.m2CB1mOG002373@zxe.naks.com> <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <7FF94AE7-7499-4E1A-9F3E-2E4BB3EE13F1@kvglabs.com> Hi Soumi, In essence, a demagnetizer is an electromagnet. Therefore, Magnetomotive force, designated F can be determined by the formula F = (N * I)/0.796 Where N = number of turns of wire I = current in Amperes F = Magnetomotive force measured in Amperes per turn you then have to do forumlae to determine gap resistance, and the fluxivity induced into the core as a function of the wire length as well as the number of turns and the fluxivity emitted into an air gap as a result. This isn't really something my math skill is up to summarizing into an email. In short, it's not merely double the nubmer of turns and you double the field strength. Given the hassle of adding turns onto an already made unit without creating as many problems as you solve, if I were you I'd cheat and buy an Annis Han D Mag. Then you have the strongest demagnetizer currently made, and one you know does an excellent job. When I use a Nakamichi DR-10 demagnetizer, you hear a little vibration created by the magnetic field. But use an Annis Han D Mag and the tape deck hums loudly -- audible testimony of the Annis's power! On Mar 12, 2008, at 9:55 AM, wrote: > Hi everybody > I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about > increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically > this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling would be > needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current wire or > thinner ? > Would love to have inputs from all of you. > > Regards > Soumi > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From Grover.Zinn at oberlin.edu Wed Mar 12 19:23:42 2008 From: Grover.Zinn at oberlin.edu (Grover Zinn (imap)) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:23:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? In-Reply-To: <12394928.1205331417733.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <12394928.1205331417733.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1CCEB94E-93F4-4187-BBDB-E0B0CF351137@oberlin.edu> Thanks for this explanation of the marvelous device! :-) I would think that the "30w male--50w female" power cord adapter listed among the other items on the seller's page (need any orchids or an Elivs 45?) is an equally revolutionary "add on" for the nakamichi "Snake". Taking the 30w male as the "input" end to be plugged into the "output" of the "Snake", the power amplification ( 30 to 50 watts, not quite doubling) in such a short, small, and self-powered unit would have to be one of the best kept secrets of the audio industry. Wonder what else the grass has hidden in it? (perhaps the actual picture of the nak purportedly being sold?) Grover Zinn Grover Zinn William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences Oberlin College Oberlin, OH 44074 440-775-8866 (department) grover.zinn at oberlin.edu On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the "Snake". This > groundbreaking and expensive deck featured "euro-styling" and 100 > hour (really long) recording time on a single cassette. To achieve > this amazing feat, the deck removed and discarded the cassette shell > entirely, loaded the magnetic tape into its yellow tubular body, and > traversed its length with the new "Crystarolypoly" head. Multiple > tapes could be stored within the tube, making the Nakamichi Snake > the most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included were > Dolby SSSSS, and polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and > remain largely hidden in the grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Roland >> Sent: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? >> >> Andy, >> >> I believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from >> places like Microswitch,Omron, etc,... >> >> >> >> At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote: >> >>> This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL! >>> >>> Maybe it was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over >>> a long distance for maximum sound coverage! >>> >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ150224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>> >>> >>> >>> *andy* >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Mar 12 20:37:01 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:37:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <200803121102.m2CB1mOG002373@zxe.naks.com> <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <47D830DD.2090407@rcn.com> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi everybody > I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about > increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically > this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling would be needed ? > Would it have to be the same guage as the current wire or thinner ? > Would love to have inputs from all of you. > > Regards > Soumi Why would you want to increase the magnetic field strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize the head, achieving the opposite result of what you want. To answer your question: the whole new coil should be roughly half the gauge and twice the inductance (not twice the number of turns). -- Ron From emberphoto at hotmail.com Wed Mar 12 19:40:21 2008 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:40:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? In-Reply-To: <12394928.1205331417733.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <12394928.1205331417733.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Bravo, Tom! Sometimes in reading the posts, one gets the feeling Nakamichi devotees are somewhat devoid of humor. Thanks for dispelling that notion! Now...I'm just wondering...Should we start bombarding the seller with very specific questions like ummm, can you post more pictures, like umm showing the Play and Record buttons...how fast will it rewind a C-90?...like umm how many mic inputs does it have? Does it come with any cassettes? Gotta hand it to ebay. There may be crooks lurking among the sellers...bozos who blindly crib specs in listing their dusty decks...clueless ebay depots selling mystery goods, and the like. But ya gotta love mostcreativemantis or whatever her name is. Is that not the most "creative" illustration of the venerable TriTracer you've ever seen? Whatcha suppose she's been smokin'? Steve Ember> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:16:57 -0600> From: hitech77 at earthlink.net> To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak?> > After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the "Snake". This groundbreaking and expensive deck featured "euro-styling" and 100 hour (really long) recording time on a single cassette. To achieve this amazing feat, the deck removed and discarded the cassette shell entirely, loaded the magnetic tape into its yellow tubular body, and traversed its length with the new "Crystarolypoly" head. Multiple tapes could be stored within the tube, making the Nakamichi Snake the most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included were Dolby SSSSS, and polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and remain largely hidden in the grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. > > tom brucker> > -----Original Message-----> >From: Roland > >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 PM> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak?> >> >Andy,> >> >I believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from > >places like Microswitch,Omron, etc,...> >> >> >> >At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote:> >> >>This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL!> >>> >>Maybe it was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over > >>a long distance for maximum sound coverage!> >>> >>> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ150224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >>> >>> >>> >>*andy*> >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > Hi Tech Service> 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211> hitech77 at earthlink.net> hitech at bellsouth.net> 615-331-9241> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mpl123 at xs4all.nl Wed Mar 12 19:56:35 2008 From: mpl123 at xs4all.nl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Deurloo?=) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:56:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: A lazy BX-150 Message-ID: <47D82763.2020208@xs4all.nl> Hi Tom, Many thanks for your reply. Here's the deal.... 1. Like you said I played a tape, pressed STOP, turned over the tape and pressed PLAY. Over and over again. At least 20 times. The deck played happily every single time. 2. Next I only played a short piece near the end of the tape to trigger autostop. When the tape gets to the end and hit autostop I turned over the tape, pressed PLAY. The deck played. I did this several times in a row, no problem. So it seems this BX-150 really needs at least 40 minutes of continuous playing before it starts misbehaving. Then something went lost in translation. Because you said: "If so ("the deck plays..."), the microprocessor latches (???) when the autostop is triggered..." I would need a new micro because of this. Can you please explain this a little more? Just for my better understanding... I do understand, BTW, these micro's are not easy to come by. Unless you're willing to do business with some obscure electronics firm in Hong Kong Paying a quadzillion dollars for packing and transport, of course. I have a BX-125 that sounds dull, remember? Does this deck carry the particular micro? I guess not because it has no digital counter. If it does I could probably "borrow" the micro to see if things improve. Well, that's it for now before I get to elaborate. Kinds regards, Andre From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Mar 12 20:14:12 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <664414.79716.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Where are you ( your Dragon located)? kannan Gene Ess wrote: .hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } BODY.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } Hi Alex, Thanks for your advice. I tried your suggestion and it still is no good. The Normal and Metal works fine. The Chrome setting, the bias meter reads really low. The meter reads very low even with the bias turned all the way clockwise. The strange thing is after trying many times, it will finally work and I can bias properly but then the next time, the same story. The meter measures wrong all the way down on the meter. I am new to this deck but I am not new to electronics. Can this be a trimmer problem on the Chrome/bias? Or maybe some intermittent switch with the EQ 120/70 setting? It works like 1 out of 20 tries so I have to get this fixed. Thanks for your time and knowledge. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:24 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Hello Gene, As also own the same deck.... first try to move forth & back all such potentiometers EX/SX & ZX...both level & bias for at least one minute each one from looking to a clock 07.00 > 17.00 (Trust that you will comprehend what I mean!?), as IF such just "Picked' Dragon deck was NOT used for long time...this "Free Of Charge" maintenance will help in most case. As you wrote the Bias oscillator is working...so from my ample knowledge...what I write you will 90% help. Inform to all of us the results...BTW...also clean extremely well all the heads, pinch rollers/capstans & DEGAUSS all very carefully (Deck OFF mains plug OFF from the wall...as you are a novice in this matter...my best & secure advise!). Good luck, Truly, Alex! --------------------------------- From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Hi, Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. Best regards, Gene --------------------------------- Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". Check it out. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 12 20:39:36 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:39:36 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? Message-ID: Interesting. I only knew of the Pioneer cassette changer and believe I have an oportunity to buy one. Does anyone know the value of the Pioneer? I believe it held some 5-6 tapes.> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:16:57 -0600> From: hitech77 at earthlink.net> To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak?> > After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the 'Snake'. This groundbreaking and expensive deck featured 'euro-styling' and 100 hour (really long) recording time on a single cassette. To achieve this amazing feat, the deck removed and discarded the cassette shell entirely, loaded the magnetic tape into its yellow tubular body, and traversed its length with the new 'Crystarolypoly' head. Multiple tapes could be stored within the tube, making the Nakamichi Snake the most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included were Dolby SSSSS, and polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and remain largely hidden in the grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. > > tom brucker> > -----Original Message-----> >From: Roland > >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 PM> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak?> >> >Andy,> >> >I believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from > >places like Microswitch,Omron, etc,...> >> >> >> >At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote:> >> >>This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL!> >>> >>Maybe it was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over > >>a long distance for maximum sound coverage!> >>> >>> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ150224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >>> >>> >>> >>*andy*> >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > Hi Tech Service> 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211> hitech77 at earthlink.net> hitech at bellsouth.net> 615-331-9241> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Mar 13 00:30:04 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:30:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <47D830DD.2090407@rcn.com> References: <200803121102.m2CB1mOG002373@zxe.naks.com> <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <47D830DD.2090407@rcn.com> Message-ID: On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >> Hi everybody >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ? >> Would love to have inputs from all of you. >> Regards >> Soumi > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > the head, achieving the opposite result of what > you want. Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Mar 12 23:03:34 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:03:34 EDT Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2008 3:01:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: Why would you want to increase the magnetic field strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize the head, achieving the opposite result of what you want. 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I'm with Ron on this one. The idea that the Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very powerful one probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) is completely bogus, and could get you in trouble. JW **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Thu Mar 13 01:09:05 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:09:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: References: <200803121102.m2CB1mOG002373@zxe.naks.com> <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <47D830DD.2090407@rcn.com> Message-ID: <8CA52B5958AF4DC-DF0-21CB@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be used too often - affecting the motors or anything else? Thanks, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote:? ? > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote:? >> Hi everybody? >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ?? >> Would love to have inputs from all of you.? >> Regards? >> Soumi? >? > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field? > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize? > the head, achieving the opposite result of what? > you want.? ? Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer.? ? >? ? -- Kermit Gray? notarbene at kvglabs.com? KVG Laboratories? Equipment to Make Your Music Better? 16371 Lake Point Drive? Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA? Telephone: 913-422-0957? Skype ID: triodelicacy? ? ? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist? Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Wed Mar 12 23:29:51 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:29:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon In-Reply-To: <664414.79716.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: New York City. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:14 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Where are you ( your Dragon located)? kannan Gene Ess wrote: Hi Alex, Thanks for your advice. I tried your suggestion and it still is no good. The Normal and Metal works fine. The Chrome setting, the bias meter reads really low. The meter reads very low even with the bias turned all the way clockwise. The strange thing is after trying many times, it will finally work and I can bias properly but then the next time, the same story. The meter measures wrong all the way down on the meter. I am new to this deck but I am not new to electronics. Can this be a trimmer problem on the Chrome/bias? Or maybe some intermittent switch with the EQ 120/70 setting? It works like 1 out of 20 tries so I have to get this fixed. Thanks for your time and knowledge. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:24 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Hello Gene, As also own the same deck.... first try to move forth & back all such potentiometers EX/SX & ZX...both level & bias for at least one minute each one from looking to a clock 07.00 > 17.00 (Trust that you will comprehend what I mean!?), as IF such just "Picked' Dragon deck was NOT used for long time...this "Free Of Charge" maintenance will help in most case. As you wrote the Bias oscillator is working...so from my ample knowledge...what I write you will 90% help. Inform to all of us the results...BTW...also clean extremely well all the heads, pinch rollers/capstans & DEGAUSS all very carefully (Deck OFF mains plug OFF from the wall...as you are a novice in this matter...my best & secure advise!). Good luck, Truly, Alex! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Hi, Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and Maxell UDXL II. 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Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 12 23:05:59 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:05:59 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Message-ID: <11296752.1205359559361.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Thu Mar 13 01:20:19 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:20:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units Message-ID: OK, I'm going to risk the ridicule of all the physicist/EEs here (so remember I'm a chemist or software guy and this is hardware:-)... Isn't the confusion here that a demagnetizer is an AC unit so the "field" produced is a dynamic field, not a static one (in terms of the H vector especially its direction as well as magnitude); increasing the coil increases the maxima of the field. If it were a DC electromagnet, then the stronger constant field would be more likely to magnetize the heads. This is assuming proper usage and all that stuff as well, and it not meant to comment on the advisability of doing such a thing anyways; probably better just to get something designed to produce a bigger field.-kby > In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the > magnetic > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! > D'Oh! > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only > magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just > by taking > the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The > idea that the > Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very > powerful one > probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) > is completely > bogus, and could get you in trouble. > > JW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Mar 13 01:40:03 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:40:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9998A88C-7F8C-4D5C-BCE9-0354A967871D@kvglabs.com> For the past 33 years I've been using the exact same Annis Han D Mag degausser on everything from cassette decks to 2-inch reel-to-reel decks with no ill effects. The key is to move the demagnetizer toward the heads, then away from the heads s l o w l y and turn it off at least 4 feet away. Every white paper I've read on the subject going back as far as 1954 says, in essence, "stronger is better" within practical limits of making the unit small and hand-holdable. Perhaps in theory it is possible to make a demagnetizer "too strong" but in practice I've never heard of it nor seen one. But, yes, if you move the wand away quickly you can demagnetize the heads. That's an example of using the demagnetizer incorrectly. On Mar 12, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com > writes: > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only > magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just by > taking the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. > The idea that the Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you > need a very powerful one probably designed for massive reel heads > (like for 1 inch reels) is completely bogus, and could get you in > trouble. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Mar 13 01:57:10 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:57:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <8CA52B5958AF4DC-DF0-21CB@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> References: <200803121102.m2CB1mOG002373@zxe.naks.com> <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <47D830DD.2090407@rcn.com> <8CA52B5958AF4DC-DF0-21CB@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Ben, On Mar 12, 2008, at 7:09 PM, benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be > used too often - affecting the motors or anything else? > Thanks, Ben > Sure, theoretically. I suspect if you used the giant electromagnet used in scrapyards to lift cars as a demagnetizer you'd magnetize the deck completely and probably ruin motors with permanent magnets as well as anything else with a permanent magnet in it. (Yes, this is a ridiculous example mean to, illustrate a principle.) But in practice I'm very, very skeptical you could make anything hand holdable that would damage the deck IF PROPERLY USED. Annis found a good balance of powerful magnetic fields that are strong enough to thoroughly degauss any tape head, yet not damage anything else. PLEASE NOTE that if you move ANY demagnetizer too quickly toward or away from the heads, or turn it off or on too close to the heads, you WILL magnetize the heads. In that same situation, a powerful demagnetizer like the Annis could possibly damage something magnetically delicate like a moving coil meter. If you suffered from obsessive-compulsive disorder, yes, you possibly could use a demagnetizer too often. How quickly residual magnetism builds up depends on several factors, including tape speed, recording levels, the type of tape, and the composition of the tape heads. How often you should demagnetize depends on both how quickly residual magnetism builds up and how much quality loss from residual magnetism you are willing to accept. Slow tape speeds and low recording levels (low fluxivities) will require infrequent demagnetizing, while high tape speeds and high recording levels (high fluxivities) will require frequent demagnetizing. Similarly, if you are not willing to allow any quality losses to occur to your tapes then you must demagnetize more often. As a rule, I "clean up" at the end of a day with a tape recorder, and demagnetize it at the end of the day unless it has been used for only a few minutes. You will hear some persons tell of a demagnetizer actually magnetizing a head, or running a moving coil VU meter, or other magnetic mischief, but if you look into the matter thoroughly you'll discover the demagnetizer was used improperly or was defective. I once saw a demagnetizer that, for whatever reason, had developed a short and therefore the AC going into its coil was clipped on one half as if a diode was across the line. This asymmetrical waveform meant that the demagnetizer would MAGNETIZE anything it came into contact with instead of demagnetizing. The misbelief that a demagnetizer can be too strong is based on our experiences with magnetizing objects by rubbing them with a magnet or placing the object in close proximity to a magnet. But this is not what it happening with a true demagnetizer. A demagnetizer applies a strong magnetic field strong to totally magnetize the part, then reverses the field rapidly to cancel out the magnetism. A demagnetizer runs on 60 (50) Hz AC, so the north and south poles of the magnetic field reverse 120 (100) times a second. The magnetic field’s strength must then be very, very slowly reduced until it reaches zero by slowly moving the demagnetizer away from the heads and tape guides. ALWAYS REMEMBER that quick, jerky motions will magnetize metal parts and will not demagnetize them. Effective demagnetizing applies the strongest possible magnetic field to all metal tape path parts. This requires that the demagnetizer’s tip makes close contact with the parts, because a magnetic field’s strength lowers with the square of the distance. So, choose a demagnetizer that creates a strong magnetic field, the stronger the better. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com > Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > >> Hi everybody > >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about > >> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> > Theoretically this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling > >> would be needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the > current >> wire or thinner ? > >> Would love to have inputs from all of you. > >> Regards > >> Soumi > > > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > > the head, achieving the opposite result of what > > you want. > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the > magnetic field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better > demagnetizer! D'Oh! That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far > stronger magnetic field. because it is the magnetic field that > demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used > the demagnetizer. > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Yap wrote: > OK, I'm going to risk the ridicule of all the physicist/EEs here (so > remember I'm a chemist or software guy and this is hardware:-)... > > Isn't the confusion here that a demagnetizer is an AC unit so the > "field" produced is a dynamic field, not a static one (in terms of the > H vector especially its direction as well as magnitude); increasing > the coil increases the maxima of the field. > > If it were a DC electromagnet, then the stronger constant field > would be more likely to magnetize the heads. > > This is assuming proper usage and all that stuff as well, and it not > meant to comment on the advisability of doing > such a thing anyways; probably better just to get something designed > to produce a bigger field.-kby > >> In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: >> >> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the >> magnetic >> field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! >> D'Oh! >> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic >> field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only >> magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. >> If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just >> by taking >> the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The >> idea that the >> Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very >> powerful one >> probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) >> is completely >> bogus, and could get you in trouble. >> >> JW > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Mar 13 01:22:51 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:22:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17d5ee910803121722u469ece54j34bb3e9a74371ed0@mail.gmail.com> Isn't it the reason why they always say to walk away slowly from the head before turning the demagnetizer off? 2008/3/12, Bansijeff at aol.com : > > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only > magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just by taking > the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The idea that the > Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very powerful one > probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) is > completely bogus, and could get you in trouble. > > JW > > -- Antoine Deschênes From benstratford at aol.co.uk Thu Mar 13 02:23:40 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:23:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: References: <200803121102.m2CB1mOG002373@zxe.naks.com> <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <47D830DD.2090407@rcn.com> <8CA52B5958AF4DC-DF0-21CB@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA52C000DB5C0C-DF0-2518@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> Kermit, thanks for the info and yes, I do suffer from OCD!  Could you describe the speed of movement of the demag if used properly and do yo -----Original Message----- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 1:57 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units Hi Ben, On Mar 12, 2008, at 7:09 PM, benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be used too often - affecting the motors or anything else? Thanks, Ben Sure, theoretically. I suspect if you used the giant electromagnet used in scrapyards to lift cars as a demagnetizer you'd magnetize the deck completely and probably ruin motors with permanent magnets as well as anything else with a permanent magnet in it. (Yes, this is a ridiculous example mean to, illustrate a principle.) But in practice I'm very, very skeptical you could make anything hand holdable that would damage the deck IF PROPERLY USED.  Annis found a good balance of powerful magnetic fields that are strong enough to thoroughly degauss any tape head, yet not damage anything else. PLEASE NOTE that if you move ANY demagnetizer too quickly toward or away from the heads, or turn it off or on too close to the heads, you WILL magnetize the heads. In that same situation, a powerful demagnetizer like the Annis could possibly damage something magnetically delicate like a moving coil meter.  If you suffered from obsessive-compulsive disorder, yes, you possibly could use a demagnetizer too often.  How quickly residual magnetism builds up depends on several factors, including tape speed, recording levels, the  type of tape, and the composition of the tape heads. How often you should demagnetize depends on both how quickly residual magnetism builds up and how much quality loss from residual magnetism you are willing to  accept. Slow tape speeds and low recording levels (low fluxivities) will require infrequent demagnetizing, while high tape speeds and high recording levels (high fluxivities) will require frequent demagnetizing. Similarly, if you  are not willing to allow any quality losses to occur to your tapes then you must demagnetize more often. As a rule, I "clean up" at the end of a day with a tape recorder, and demagnetize it at the end of the day unless it has been used for only a few minutes.   You will hear some persons tell of a demagnetizer actually magnetizing a head, or running a moving coil VU meter, or other magnetic mischief, but if you look into the matter thoroughly you'll discover the demagnetizer was used improperly or was defective.  I once saw a demagnetizer that, for whatever reason, had developed a short and therefore the AC going into its coil was clipped on one half as if a diode was across the line. This asymmetrical waveform meant that the demagnetizer would MAGNETIZE anything it came into contact with instead of demagnetizing.  The misbelief that a demagnetizer can be too strong is based on our experiences with magnetizing objects by rubbing them with a magnet or placing the object in close proximity to a magnet. But this is not what it happening with a true demagnetizer. A demagnetizer applies a strong magnetic field strong to totally magnetize the part, then reverses the field rapidly to cancel out the magnetism. A demagnetizer runs on 60 (50) Hz AC, so the north and south poles of the magnetic field reverse 120 (100) times a second. The magnetic field’s strength must then be very, very slowly reduced until it reaches zero by slowly moving the demagnetizer away from the heads and tape guides. ALWAYS REMEMBER that quick, jerky motions will magnetize metal parts and will  not demagnetize them. Effective demagnetizing applies the strongest possible magnetic field to all metal tape path parts. This requires that the demagnetizer’s tip makes close contact with the parts, because a magnetic field’s strength lowers with the square of the distance. So, choose a demagnetizer that creates a strong magnetic field, the stronger the better.  -----Original Message----- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote:    > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote:  >> Hi everybody  >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ?  >> Would love to have inputs from all of you.  >> Regards  >> Soumi  >  > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field  > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize  > the head, achieving the opposite result of what  > you want.    Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer.    -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register =======---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk =======---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 01:54:48 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <375061.36862.qm@web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff, Can't you magnetize the heads by moving the de-magnetizer away from the heads too fast? I always move the de-magnetizer away from the heads v e r y s l o w l y. Bob Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just by taking the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The idea that the Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very powerful one probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) is completely bogus, and could get you in trouble. JW --------------------------------- It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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In my book, that qualifies as using a demagnetizer incorrectly. Jeff W **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 13 04:44:00 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:44:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: References: <200803121102.m2CB1mOG002373@zxe.naks.com> <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <47D830DD.2090407@rcn.com> Message-ID: <47D8A300.70002@rcn.com> Kermit Gray wrote: > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > >> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >>> Hi everybody >>> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >>> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically >>> this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling would be needed >>> ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current wire or thinner ? >>> Would love to have inputs from all of you. >>> Regards >>> Soumi >> >> Why would you want to increase the magnetic field >> strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize >> the head, achieving the opposite result of what >> you want. > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! Not really. Once the magnetic field is enough to penetrate the head, any addition is bad. That's because demagnetization relies on reducing the field *smoothly and slowly*. Any abrupt motion actually magnetizes the head. When the demagnetizer is too strong, this is more apt to happen. > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. > because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. Not so. A magnetic field magnetizes. It is the slow and absolutely even decay of the field that demagnetizes. Since the Annis is too powerful it is not better, except in your imagination. > He'd only magnetize > the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. Bull! Even a small shake of the hand will cause magnetization; and, the stronger the field, the the more apt this is to happen. How well did you do in Fields 101? Did you even take it at all? -- Ron >> > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 13 04:46:10 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:46:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <8CA52B5958AF4DC-DF0-21CB@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> References: <200803121102.m2CB1mOG002373@zxe.naks.com> <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <47D830DD.2090407@rcn.com> <8CA52B5958AF4DC-DF0-21CB@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47D8A382.9060009@rcn.com> Too long? No! You may use it all day long with no ill effects. -- Ron benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be used > too often - affecting the motors or anything else? > Thanks, Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com > Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > >> Hi everybody > >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> > increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically > this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed > ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ? > >> Would love to have inputs from all of you. > >> Regards > >> Soumi > > > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > > the head, achieving the opposite result of what > > you want. > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. > because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize > the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar > > for your browser. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 13 04:54:20 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:54:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <8CA52B5958AF4DC-DF0-21CB@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> References: <200803121102.m2CB1mOG002373@zxe.naks.com> <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <47D830DD.2090407@rcn.com> <8CA52B5958AF4DC-DF0-21CB@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47D8A56C.6010301@rcn.com> Once a demagnetizer field is strong enough to penetrate the head, there is zero advantage in making is stronger. Actually, there is a disadvantage, due to the increased possibility of magnetizing the head if it is not withdrawn smoothly. -- Ron benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be used > too often - affecting the motors or anything else? > Thanks, Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com > Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > >> Hi everybody > >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> > increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically > this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed > ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ? > >> Would love to have inputs from all of you. > >> Regards > >> Soumi > > > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > > the head, achieving the opposite result of what > > you want. > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. > because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize > the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Mar 13 04:23:08 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:23:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? Message-ID: Please give that poor seller at ebay a break! I am sure he got the titles mixed up! Ali In a message dated 3/12/2008 5:56:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Grover.Zinn at oberlin.edu writes: Thanks for this explanation of the marvelous device! :-) I would think that the "30w male--50w female" power cord adapter listed among the other items on the seller's page (need any orchids or an Elivs 45?) is an equally revolutionary "add on" for the nakamichi "Snake". Taking the 30w male as the "input" end to be plugged into the "output" of the "Snake", the power amplification ( 30 to 50 watts, not quite doubling) in such a short, small, and self-powered unit would have to be one of the best kept secrets of the audio industry. Wonder what else the grass has hidden in it? (perhaps the actual picture of the nak purportedly being sold?) Grover Zinn Grover Zinn William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences Oberlin College Oberlin, OH 44074 440-775-8866 (department) grover.zinn at oberlin.edu On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the "Snake". This > groundbreaking and expensive deck featured "euro-styling" and 100 > hour (really long) recording time on a single cassette. To achieve > this amazing feat, the deck removed and discarded the cassette shell > entirely, loaded the magnetic tape into its yellow tubular body, and > traversed its length with the new "Crystarolypoly" head. Multiple > tapes could be stored within the tube, making the Nakamichi Snake > the most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included were > Dolby SSSSS, and polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and > remain largely hidden in the grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Roland >> Sent: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? >> >> Andy, >> >> I believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from >> places like Microswitch,Omron, etc,... >> >> >> >> At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote: >> >>> This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL! >>> >>> Maybe it was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over >>> a long distance for maximum sound coverage! >>> >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ150224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>> >>> >>> >>> *andy* >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Thu Mar 13 04:24:02 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:24:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon In-Reply-To: <11296752.1205359559361.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom, Thank you for your response. I'll try your method and see. I know I can do a pretty good job by ear as I am a musician and also have mixed and mastered jazz CDs. It finally biased with a TDK SA tape after restarting the whole level/bias process over and over like 30 times. The strange thing is the next time I try to bias, I have to go through this whole ordeal again. Spend 30 minutes doing something that should take couple of minutes. Not sure why the normal and metal settings are fine. Just the chrome... It looks like it does not record the 15kHz tone most of the time and on some lucky occasion, it does and the bias works. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:06 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Gene, Your Dragon is fine. It is in "overbias" condition. To get back on track, set level to 12 o'clock and bias to the same. You will do this by feel since the knobs have no mark. Record the level (400Hz) and note the meter reding, then switch to bias. If the meters read higher levels, turn the bias knobs CCW and then go back and forth with level set. If the meters read lower, turn the bias CW to 1 o'clock and run the test again. What we are looking for is a bias level that gives us the same meter levels on both level and bias tests, and then we set the level. If not, set bias at 2 o'clock.... An alternate approach is to record music. Set the level to 12 o'clock, bias all the way CCW. Press record and slowly rotate the bias setting CW 1 "hour" for each 10 counts on the tape counter. Rewind the tape and play. When the frequency response seems flat, note the counter reading and set the bias controls at that "hour". Now use the level and bias calibrations to complete the setup. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ess Sent: Mar 11, 2008 5:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Hi, Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. Best regards, Gene Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gaoneill at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 03:42:22 2008 From: gaoneill at comcast.net (gaoneill at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:42:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Cover Message-ID: <031320080242.19432.47D8948E0003DC3200004BE822069984990404070A02010E09@comcast.net> I'm new to this discussion forum, so this question may have already been answered in the past. I recently purchased an RX-202 that is functionally excellent: it has the gear upgrade, has been re-calibrated recently, etc... It is, however, missing the plastic cassette cover for the front. Is there some way I can find and buy the cover? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Mar 13 10:26:05 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:26:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910803121722u469ece54j34bb3e9a74371ed0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <155FD4370DDF4A7C8E0975BFD53DC1D4@GrahamNPC> Well, that's precisely what they taught us at school in Physics, that it didn't really matter how strong was the magnetic force - if it were an AC magnet it couldn't magnetise anything IF it were removed away from an object slow enough as to leave the poles (?) in random order. This was demonstrated by using a large lab' made electromagnet, and a heavy bag of nails. The demag' was first applied to the bag of nails with an AC current and switched off on the bag. As the physics predicted, all the little pointed chaps were magnetised and mostly stuck together in train, flat or sharp end, depending on their polarity. Those closest to the electro magnet seemed to be the strongest new magnets. Then the AC demag was applied again but this time, removed slowly. Hey presto! The nails were no longer diddy magnets! The teacher then went on to apply a DC current to the electro magnet. He slowly closed in on the nails, left it there with them for a few moments. Once more, the nails had become magnetised again. He then, switched the magnet back on again and removed it very slowly, and then demonstrated the nails were still magnetised as before. This is the good bit ... He then took out one magnetised nail from the bag, and demonstrated the strength of its power with some paper clips (counting the number of clips it could lift.) That done, he proceeded to beat the sh#t out of the nail with a very large hammer. Back to the paper clips, he then demonstrated that the hammer blows had partially demagnetised the nail since it could no longer lift as many paper clips. So, there you have it, guys - if you can't afford a Nak wand, the Sony horseshoe or Kermit's favourite demag', smash the heads of your beloved machine with a hammer ... Guaranteed to work everytime! Seriously, I suspect demags like the Nak or Sony, were built to a minimum cost - sufficient to do an adequate job and cheap enough to make it a viable price to a mass amateur market, whereas Kermit's more powerful model was probably made to a higher specification, and cost more, in line for the more demanding needs of the professional recordists. At least, that's my theory. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:23 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units Isn't it the reason why they always say to walk away slowly from the head before turning the demagnetizer off? From enoyes at snet.net Thu Mar 13 14:36:21 2008 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:36:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Response to message 11 Tri mic recording In-Reply-To: <8805101.1205330623394.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8805101.1205330623394.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47D92DD5.2080707@snet.net> Hey Tom, I've actually got a recording of Jerry Garcia Band that was done back in the day with a Nak 550 and a pair of Neuman U87's! Believe it or not, it doesn't sound as spectacular as you'd think. As a concert taper, I've sort of developed a theory that somewhat lesser mics will often sound better by virtue of masking some of the inherent flaws of recording what is essentially a PA system. It's a fine line, but often the sounds I'll get from a pair of old AKG 200's are more "alive" and musically involving than the overly dry sound from the guy next to me with a pair of fancy condensers and outboard mic pre! BTW, the Nak shotgun never sounded that great for concert taping as you always end up with something of a tunnel effect to the sound. Ed Tom Brucker wrote: >The use of cardoids comes with the concept of "aiming" microphones. I exeprienced an epiphany when I used Beyer omnis to record a pit orchestra, and heard everything in perfect balance! When using omnis in real space you have to choose the correct distance from the sound source to balance direct sound, the mixture and balance of sources, and the room sound. This usually means closer and higher mic postions. > Nakamichi mic systems (CM700, CM1000) came with both omni and cardoid capsules. The cardoids were better sounding, due to a smoother pattern of rear frequency rejection (no lobes), so they were easier to use, or misbehaved less perhaps. Even the Nak shotgun capsule could sound musical. It was a Greatful Dead "Taper's" standard in a 2 mic setup. > What fun it would be to have NakTalk copies of Dead concerts done with a 550 and CM700s! I'll have to talk to "dancin' Dan" about it. > >tom brucker > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >>From: B Morahan >>Sent: Mar 11, 2008 10:41 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Response to message 11 Tri mic recording >> >>Your essay is great but I don't follow one thing. You state that the >>Nakamichi system improves on the the Bell Labs method by substituting >>three cardioid mikes for three omni mikes. The Nakamichi Live >>Recording System Manual states, "In general, however, unless their is >>good reason to use cardioid microphones, omni-directional microphones >>are preferred as they will yield superior results." My experience is >>that the omni mikes "hear" more. I only use cardioid mikes if the >>audience is too loud. >>Also: >>I wanted the recording to sound as experienced by the audience but if >>I used the setup you described some instruments didn't sound full, >>notably the piano I put my mikes on the stage and put one near the >>piano. I guess this may be wrong, it certainly isn't as described in >>the Nakamichi Live Recording Manual, but it worked for me. If I make a >>live recording now I use a DAT deck and because there is more dynamic >>range than my Nak decks, the placement of the mikes is more flexible. >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Mar 13 21:53:43 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:53:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910803121722u469ece54j34bb3e9a74371ed0@mail.gmail.com> References: <17d5ee910803121722u469ece54j34bb3e9a74371ed0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6E45C14A-64D8-4156-8487-CCD202A22C68@kvglabs.com> Hi Antoine, On Mar 12, 2008, at 7:22 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Isn't it the reason why they always say to walk away slowly from the > head before turning the demagnetizer off? Correct. > > > 2008/3/12, Bansijeff at aol.com : >> >> >> In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: >> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the >> magnetic >> field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! >> D'Oh! >> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic >> field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only >> magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. >> If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just >> by taking >> the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The idea >> that the >> Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very >> powerful one >> probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) is >> completely bogus, and could get you in trouble. >> >> JW >> >> > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Mar 13 22:05:18 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:05:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <47D8A300.70002@rcn.com> References: <200803121102.m2CB1mOG002373@zxe.naks.com> <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <47D830DD.2090407@rcn.com> <47D8A300.70002@rcn.com> Message-ID: Sorry, Ron, but you're just wrong. Yes, Ron, I did take Magnetic Theory and I've designed numerous excellent electromagnets and loudspeaker motors over the past 34 years. Thanks for the petty insult, though, I hope it made you feel good about yourself. Are you capable of articulating your arguments without ad hominems? Your argument assumes, incorrectly, that no one can reduce the field by hand and shows several misconception about the effect of AC fields used to demagnetize ferrous metals. I contacted R. B Annis company today to clarify the issues of magnetic field strength. They stated there is no such thing as "too strong a magnetic field" and gave me the following info about using AC fields to demagnetize steel. "One demagnetizing method is to expose the steel to a magnetic field of cyclically reversing polarity, which must have an initial intensity higher than the fraction method in the above described laboratory procedure. This cyclically reversing field is then reduced in intensity so that each succeeding half-cycle, of opposite polarity, is slightly less than that proceeding halfcycle, "but more than the critical minimum 'fraction' as dictated by the type of steel involved." "The intensity of such a cyclical alternating demagnetizing field can be reduced to near zero by means of a rheostat or a variable transformer, or much more simply by progressively separating the steel and the source of alternating demagnetizing field to such a distance that the field induced in the steel is essentially zero. This is not difficult, nor is the separation distance involved too great because such induced magnetism very nearly follows the inverse square law, where doubling the distance apart will reduce induction to one quarter the initial amount and doubling again, to one sixteenth, etc." "One of the most important points to remember in cyclical demagnetizing is that actual demagnetizing is accomplished only during the incremental reduction of successive half-cycles of the demagnetizing field, or only during that time when the work and the demagnetizer are being separated. Leaving steel to “cook” in an alternating demagnetizing field is of little value unless one might consider the secondary effect of heat being generated in the work due to losses from induced eddy currents." Since you've decided to add your petty little insult I'll tell you flatly that I'll take the word of the R. B. Annis company, who are world authorities in demagnetizers and magnetometers since 1907, over your lame attempts to obfuscate what is actually a fairly straightforward and accepted issue that is never debated among top audio professionals. The only time you ever see discussions like this is among those who do not know about demagnetization (which is okay) and individuals likes you who enjoy fanning debates merely to have an ongoing debate. I have a business to run, so with apologies to the group, I'll not waste any further time with your nonsense. I'm really out of patience for it. On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:44 PM, Ron wrote: > Kermit Gray wrote: >> On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: >>> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >>>> Hi everybody >>>> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >>>> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >>>> Theoretically this is possible ... just wondering how much >>>> coiling would be needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as >>>> the current wire or thinner ? >>>> Would love to have inputs from all of you. >>>> Regards >>>> Soumi >>> >>> Why would you want to increase the magnetic field >>> strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize >>> the head, achieving the opposite result of what >>> you want. >> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the >> magnetic field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better >> demagnetizer! D'Oh! > > Not really. Once the magnetic field is enough > to penetrate the head, any addition is bad. > That's because demagnetization relies on > reducing the field *smoothly and slowly*. Any > abrupt motion actually magnetizes the head. > When the demagnetizer is too strong, this is > more apt to happen. > >> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic >> field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. > > Not so. A magnetic field magnetizes. It is the > slow and absolutely even decay of the field that > demagnetizes. Since the Annis is too powerful it > is not better, except in your imagination. > >> He'd only magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the >> demagnetizer. > > Bull! Even a small shake of the hand will cause > magnetization; and, the stronger the field, the > the more apt this is to happen. > > How well did you do in Fields 101? Did you even > take it at all? > > -- Ron > > >>> >> -- Kermit Gray >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >> Skype ID: triodelicacy > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Mar 13 22:07:05 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:07:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <293B746C-4C3F-4CF3-8F3F-5D7AD1D29C69@kvglabs.com> On Mar 12, 2008, at 8:33 PM, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/12/2008 5:41:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com > writes: > Perhaps in theory it is possible to make a demagnetizer "too strong" > but in practice I've never heard of it nor seen one. But, yes, if > you move the wand away quickly you can demagnetize the heads. That's > an example of using the demagnetizer incorrectly. > > > > In one of your ealier posts you comment - > "When I use a Nakamichi DR-10 demagnetizer, you hear a little > vibration > created by the magnetic field. But use an Annis Han D Mag and the tape > deck hums loudly -- audible testimony of the Annis's power!" > > In my book, that qualifies as using a demagnetizer incorrectly. > Actually the demagnetizer itself hums, so I fail to see the validity of your statement. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Mar 13 22:08:33 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:08:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <47D8A382.9060009@rcn.com> References: <200803121102.m2CB1mOG002373@zxe.naks.com> <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <47D830DD.2090407@rcn.com> <8CA52B5958AF4DC-DF0-21CB@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <47D8A382.9060009@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4E6BFAE8-886E-419C-9E65-2FA650061582@kvglabs.com> somewhat correct. As R. B. Annis points out "cooking" the steel in an AC magnetic field heats it up over time, which is how induction cooktops work, by the way. On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Ron wrote: > > Too long? No! You may use it all day long with > no ill effects. > > -- Ron > > > > benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: >> Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be >> used too often - affecting the motors or anything else? >> Thanks, Ben >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kermit Gray >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com >> Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > soumitra at soumitrab.com > > wrote: >> Hi everybody >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i >> have always wondered about >> increasing its windings for a >> stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically this is possible ... just >> wondering how much coiling >> would be needed ? Would it have to be >> the same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ? >> Would love >> to have inputs from all of you. >> Regards >> Soumi > > Why >> would you want to increase the magnetic field > strength? If you >> do, you could easily magnetize > the head, achieving the opposite >> result of what > you want. Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you >> this but increasing the magnetic field strength of a demagnetizer >> makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! That's why the Annis is >> better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. because it is the >> magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize the heads if >> he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com >> KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make >> Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 >> USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar > > for your browser. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Mar 13 22:13:23 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:13:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <155FD4370DDF4A7C8E0975BFD53DC1D4@GrahamNPC> References: <155FD4370DDF4A7C8E0975BFD53DC1D4@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: Well said, Gra! Absolutely right on all counts! I think I'll start using a hammer on my Nak's heads to demagnetize them. This will save electricity and be a good cathartic! On Mar 13, 2008, at 4:26 AM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > Well, that's precisely what they taught us at school in Physics, > that it > didn't really matter how strong was the magnetic force - if it were > an AC > magnet it couldn't magnetise anything IF it were removed away from > an object > slow enough as to leave the poles (?) in random order. This was > demonstrated by using a large lab' made electromagnet, and a heavy > bag of > nails. The demag' was first applied to the bag of nails with an AC > current > and switched off on the bag. As the physics predicted, all the little > pointed chaps were magnetised and mostly stuck together in train, > flat or > sharp end, depending on their polarity. Those closest to the > electro magnet > seemed to be the strongest new magnets. Then the AC demag was > applied again > but this time, removed slowly. Hey presto! The nails were no > longer diddy > magnets! The teacher then went on to apply a DC current to the > electro > magnet. He slowly closed in on the nails, left it there with them > for a few > moments. Once more, the nails had become magnetised again. He then, > switched the magnet back on again and removed it very slowly, and then > demonstrated the nails were still magnetised as before. > > This is the good bit ... He then took out one magnetised nail from > the bag, > and demonstrated the strength of its power with some paper clips > (counting > the number of clips it could lift.) That done, he proceeded to beat > the sh#t > out of the nail with a very large hammer. Back to the paper clips, > he then > demonstrated that the hammer blows had partially demagnetised the > nail since > it could no longer lift as many paper clips. > > So, there you have it, guys - if you can't afford a Nak wand, the Sony > horseshoe or Kermit's favourite demag', smash the heads of your > beloved > machine with a hammer ... Guaranteed to work everytime! > > Seriously, I suspect demags like the Nak or Sony, were built to a > minimum > cost - sufficient to do an adequate job and cheap enough to make it > a viable > price to a mass amateur market, whereas Kermit's more powerful model > was > probably made to a higher specification, and cost more, in line for > the more > demanding needs of the professional recordists. At least, that's my > theory. > > Gra' -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From kjbleus at charter.net Fri Mar 14 02:34:29 2008 From: kjbleus at charter.net (KJ Bleus) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:34:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: A Question about Demag units Message-ID: <001301c88573$8c505fb0$6401a8c0@Gandalf2006> Regarding Graham's viewpoint as being well described and correct. I currently possess the Nak DM-10 and Annis Hand 'd Mag gear, both splendid demag tools. You just need to know how to use 'em. Personally, I rely on the Hand 'd Mag Kit for my maintenance activities..... http://www.maginst.com/Annis%20Products.html Regards, Bleus ps: graham, is the @ googlemail the same as @ gmail? ------------------------------ Message: 40 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:26:05 -0000 From: "Graham A Nelson" Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Message-ID: <155FD4370DDF4A7C8E0975BFD53DC1D4 at GrahamNPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, that's precisely what they taught us at school in Physics, that it didn't really matter how strong was the magnetic force - if it were an AC magnet it couldn't magnetise anything IF it were removed away from an object slow enough as to leave the poles (?) in random order. This was demonstrated by using a large lab' made electromagnet, and a heavy bag of nails. The demag' was first applied to the bag of nails with an AC current and switched off on the bag. As the physics predicted, all the little pointed chaps were magnetised and mostly stuck together in train, flat or sharp end, depending on their polarity. Those closest to the electro magnet seemed to be the strongest new magnets. Then the AC demag was applied again but this time, removed slowly. Hey presto! The nails were no longer diddy magnets! The teacher then went on to apply a DC current to the electro magnet. He slowly closed in on the nails, left it there with them for a few moments. Once more, the nails had become magnetised again. He then, switched the magnet back on again and removed it very slowly, and then demonstrated the nails were still magnetised as before. This is the good bit ... He then took out one magnetised nail from the bag, and demonstrated the strength of its power with some paper clips (counting the number of clips it could lift.) That done, he proceeded to beat the sh#t out of the nail with a very large hammer. Back to the paper clips, he then demonstrated that the hammer blows had partially demagnetised the nail since it could no longer lift as many paper clips. So, there you have it, guys - if you can't afford a Nak wand, the Sony horseshoe or Kermit's favourite demag', smash the heads of your beloved machine with a hammer ... Guaranteed to work everytime! Seriously, I suspect demags like the Nak or Sony, were built to a minimum cost - sufficient to do an adequate job and cheap enough to make it a viable price to a mass amateur market, whereas Kermit's more powerful model was probably made to a higher specification, and cost more, in line for the more demanding needs of the professional recordists. At least, that's my theory. Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Thu Mar 13 11:13:11 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:13:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon In-Reply-To: References: <11296752.1205359559361.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Bravo Tom! Yes what you explicated to gene I 100% agreed! maine because was "Resting' for 10 years also has the same "Failure"...but I move forth & back at least 20 times EACH Level & Bias knob till after 20 times I set them ALL CCW (07.00 if you look at a clock)... mark them with a Red point...gripped the knob move CW till stop (17.00 if you look again a clock)...as the red mark point will show me where I'm...it's very easily to set all of them to the middle point as you wrote "12 o'clock"...& after patiently with each side of the same cassette adjust the Level & after the Bias. Gene...take in account that this process MUST be do it in EACH NEWER CASSETTE that you selected to record...whatever brand you have in possession!!!. Better if you wait till the counter run at last 1/2 minute from the tape leader...so the tape will be not curly or something like that that with my bad English don't know how to explain you...but I relay on your ample comprehending. Good luck & commence enjoining your new "Toy"...! Peace, Alex! From: gene at jazzgenemusic.comTo: hitech77 at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak DragonDate: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:24:02 -0400CC: Gene at jazzgenemusic.com Hi Tom, Thank you for your response. I'll try your method and see. I know I can do a pretty good job by ear as I am a musician and also have mixed and mastered jazz CDs. It finally biased with a TDK SA tape after restarting the whole level/bias process over and over like 30 times. The strange thing is the next time I try to bias, I have to go through this whole ordeal again. Spend 30 minutes doing something that should take couple of minutes. Not sure why the normal and metal settings are fine. Just the chrome... It looks like it does not record the 15kHz tone most of the time and on some lucky occasion, it does and the bias works. Gene -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom BruckerSent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:06 PMTo: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Gene, Your Dragon is fine. It is in "overbias" condition. To get back on track, set level to 12 o'clock and bias to the same. You will do this by feel since the knobs have no mark. Record the level (400Hz) and note the meter reding, then switch to bias. If the meters read higher levels, turn the bias knobs CCW and then go back and forth with level set. If the meters read lower, turn the bias CW to 1 o'clock and run the test again. What we are looking for is a bias level that gives us the same meter levels on both level and bias tests, and then we set the level. If not, set bias at 2 o'clock.... An alternate approach is to record music. Set the level to 12 o'clock, bias all the way CCW. Press record and slowly rotate the bias setting CW 1 "hour" for each 10 counts on the tape counter. Rewind the tape and play. When the frequency response seems flat, note the counter reading and set the bias controls at that "hour". Now use the level and bias calibrations to complete the setup. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ess Sent: Mar 11, 2008 5:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Hi, Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. Best regards, Gene Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jc_aparicio at tvtel.pt Thu Mar 13 13:09:48 2008 From: jc_aparicio at tvtel.pt (J C Aparicio Fernandes) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:09:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units Message-ID: <20080313130948.uymvn716w0gcwskg@webmail.tvtel.pt> Hi everybody, This is my first posting to this list, and I apologize for any procedural error I may be committing. A few details in magnetization: - Ferromagnetic materials (Fe and its alloys with Ni, Co, W,...) present a reduced reluctance : the resulting magnetic flux for a certain magnetic field in a magnetic circuit is greater if part of the magnetic circuit (by default air or vacuum) is replaced by this type of materials. - The relationship between Magnetic Field (H) and Magnetic Induction (B) is also known as the magnetization curve of the material. - Increasing the Magnetic Field (the coil current embracing the magnetic circuit) produces an increase of the magnetic induction (and the corresponding magnetic flux) and these values are much larger if the magnetic circuit is mainly arranged with those special materials. This is used in electrical machines (motors, transformers, generators) - Once obtained a certain magnetization status, removing the magnetic field (zeroing the electrical current in the coil) the induction value does not return to zero; it remains a small value of B (the residual induction) and its value depends how far the magnetization procedure has been carried. This magnetization state is what the demagnetization procedure aims to null. - To compensate this an inverse (negative) current in the coil is needed and if applied the neutral magnetic state is recovered and zeroing the current does not change this state. - But an insufficient current value (or a larger one) still leaves residual magnetism. - An alternating current produces a repeating cycle that, if its amplitude decreases to zero, can null the magnetic state, in time and after a few cycles; - Magnetic recording uses magnetic circuits with a gap (the recording heads) that can 'print' the residual induction in the moving magnetic tape that remain magnetized in the absence of the recording magnetic field. - Moving the magnetized tape over a magnetic circuit with a gap (the recording heads) the residual induction on the tape can 'induce' a voltage in the playing head coils (minimal currents here) and the initial information is recovered without significant destruction of the the tape states. - However, if the heads (and other ferromagnetic parts close) have residual induction left, the resulting continuous magnetic flux tends to average the tape magnetic states, resulting in a degraded (attenuated) magnetic state variations (this is usually the mission for the erasing heads). - Using the demagnetizing tool - an external magnetic circuit with an alternating magnetic field produced by an alternating current with a fixed RMS value - its alternating magnetic field influence on the magnetized parts can be decreased by (slowly) increasing the distance (introducing a larger air gap and so increasing the reluctance of the associated magnetic circuit). - A more powerful demagnetizing tool simply means that the initial distances can be larger for the same effect. But this can translate into an undesired demagnetizing effect on magnetic circuits that are not to be disturbed and also magnetization of parts if improperly handled by an 'untrained' - non-pro or stressed amateurish - 'technician'... I hope this can clarify some wrong or incomplete assumptions. Best regards J. C. Aparicio ____________________________________________________ Kermit Gray wrote: On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: Hi everybody ...snip... Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! Not really. Once the magnetic field is enough to penetrate the head, any addition is bad. That's because demagnetization relies on reducing the field *smoothly and slowly*. Any abrupt motion actually magnetizes the head. When the demagnetizer is too strong, this is more apt to happen. That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. Not so. A magnetic field magnetizes. It is the slow and absolutely even decay of the field that demagnetizes. Since the Annis is too powerful it is not better, except in your imagination. He'd only magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. Bull! Even a small shake of the hand will cause magnetization; and, the stronger the field, the the more apt this is to happen. naktalk-owner at naks.com ____ J C Aparicio Fernandes jc_aparicio at tvtel.pt ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.tvtel.pt - Tvtel Comunicações S.A. Deseja-lhe um excelente 2008 !! From aparicio.fernandes at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 13:29:18 2008 From: aparicio.fernandes at gmail.com (Joao Carlos Aparicio Fernandes) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:29:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units Message-ID: <75034d4d0803130529w334c2705s12e2809b721284cd@mail.gmail.com> Hi everybody, This is my first posting to this list, and I apologize for any procedural error I may be committing. A few details in magnetization: - Ferromagnetic materials (Fe and its alloys with Ni, Co, W,...) present a reduced reluctance : the resulting magnetic flux for a certain magnetic field in a magnetic circuit is greater if part of the magnetic circuit (by default air or vacuum) is replaced by this type of materials. - The relationship between Magnetic Field (H) and Magnetic Induction (B) is also known as the magnetization curve of the material. - Increasing the Magnetic Field (the coil current embracing the magnetic circuit) produces an increase of the magnetic induction (and the corresponding magnetic flux) and these values are much larger if the magnetic circuit is mainly arranged with those special materials. This is used in electrical machines (motors, transformers, generators) - Once obtained a certain magnetization status, removing the magnetic field (zeroing the electrical current in the coil) the induction value does not return to zero; it remains a small value of B (the residual induction) and its value depends how far the magnetization procedure has been carried. This magnetization state is what the demagnetization procedure aims to null. - To compensate this an inverse (negative) current in the coil is needed and if applied the neutral magnetic state is recovered and zeroing the current does not change this state. - But an insufficient current value (or a larger one) still leaves residual magnetism. - An alternating current produces a repeating cycle that, if its amplitude decreases to zero, can null the magnetic state, in time and after a few cycles; - Magnetic recording uses magnetic circuits with a gap (the recording heads) that can 'print' the residual induction in the moving magnetic tape that remain magnetized in the absence of the recording magnetic field. - Moving the magnetized tape over a magnetic circuit with a gap (the recording heads) the residual induction on the tape can 'induce' a voltage in the playing head coils (minimal currents here) and the initial information is recovered without significant destruction of the the tape states. - However, if the heads (and other ferromagnetic parts close) have residual induction left, the resulting continuous magnetic flux tends to average the tape magnetic states, resulting in a degraded (attenuated) magnetic state variations (this is usually the mission for the erasing heads). - Using the demagnetizing tool - an external magnetic circuit with an alternating magnetic field produced by an alternating current with a fixed RMS value - its alternating magnetic field influence on the magnetized parts can be decreased by (slowly) increasing the distance (introducing a larger air gap and so increasing the reluctance of the associated magnetic circuit). - A more powerful demagnetizing tool simply means that the initial distances can be larger for the same effect. But this can translate into an undesired demagnetizing effect on magnetic circuits that are not to be disturbed and also magnetization of parts if improperly handled by an 'untrained' - non-pro or stressed amateurish - 'technician'... I hope this can clarify some wrong or incomplete assumptions. Best regards J. C. Aparicio ____________________________________________________ Kermit Gray wrote: On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: Hi everybody ...snip... Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! Not really. Once the magnetic field is enough to penetrate the head, any addition is bad. That's because demagnetization relies on reducing the field *smoothly and slowly*. Any abrupt motion actually magnetizes the head. When the demagnetizer is too strong, this is more apt to happen. That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. Not so. A magnetic field magnetizes. It is the slow and absolutely even decay of the field that demagnetizes. Since the Annis is too powerful it is not better, except in your imagination. He'd only magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. Bull! Even a small shake of the hand will cause magnetization; and, the stronger the field, the the more apt this is to happen. naktalk-owner at naks.com ____ J C Aparicio Fernandes -- Joao Carlos Aparício Fernandes aparicio.fernandes at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Mar 13 13:48:20 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <686851.64486.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gene: I have a similar problem on one of my DRAGON. The problem however is on METAL position and on BIAS calibration. The deck was serviced recently so the heads should all be aligned properly. When the unit is powered up and if calibration is performed right the way, the bias level ( L and R channels ) will not be able to reach 0db when the knobs full turned to right. However, when the unit is being warmed up for ten minutes and I re-try, it is easier to get to 0db level. However, it is still not fully consistence all the time. Good Luck on yours. Mike Gene Ess wrote: BODY { FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff } Hi Tom, Thank you for your response. I'll try your method and see. I know I can do a pretty good job by ear as I am a musician and also have mixed and mastered jazz CDs. It finally biased with a TDK SA tape after restarting the whole level/bias process over and over like 30 times. The strange thing is the next time I try to bias, I have to go through this whole ordeal again. Spend 30 minutes doing something that should take couple of minutes. Not sure why the normal and metal settings are fine. Just the chrome... It looks like it does not record the 15kHz tone most of the time and on some lucky occasion, it does and the bias works. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:06 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Gene, Your Dragon is fine. It is in "overbias" condition. To get back on track, set level to 12 o'clock and bias to the same. You will do this by feel since the knobs have no mark. Record the level (400Hz) and note the meter reding, then switch to bias. If the meters read higher levels, turn the bias knobs CCW and then go back and forth with level set. If the meters read lower, turn the bias CW to 1 o'clock and run the test again. What we are looking for is a bias level that gives us the same meter levels on both level and bias tests, and then we set the level. If not, set bias at 2 o'clock.... An alternate approach is to record music. Set the level to 12 o'clock, bias all the way CCW. Press record and slowly rotate the bias setting CW 1 "hour" for each 10 counts on the tape counter. Rewind the tape and play. When the frequency response seems flat, note the counter reading and set the bias controls at that "hour". Now use the level and bias calibrations to complete the setup. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ess Sent: Mar 11, 2008 5:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Hi, Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. Best regards, Gene Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 13 14:41:31 2008 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:41:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units Message-ID: <47D92F0B.1090607@sbcglobal.net> I have owned several decent demaggers over the years. I even had a piece of junk from Rat Shack. My Teac is decent. But once my Annis Han-D-Mag arrived I realized the others were toys. It also came with a nice white paper on proper use. They also sell a magnetometer which will show if any magnetism is left. I don't have one but plan to find one soon. They are built to last a lifetime, then another. They are made the way things were back in the old days that said "Made in USA " . Highly recommended. Kermit is spot on about this, as usual. Do make sure the deck is turned off when you use it! Ken From rayr0683 at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 14:43:15 2008 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:43:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ANNIS HAN-D-MAG Message-ID: <031320081343.25571.47D92F72000CF89D000063E32216548686CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> Kermit is correct. Annis makes several models of Demags. And the one Kermit is referring to, is the only Demag, that is Ideal for Reel to Reel, and Cassette. And with the power of the Annis, you dont have to actually get right on top of heads. The Toy Demags, like the nakamichi, Sony, Teac, etc....were made for Consumers, and are weaker, and actually have less ability to ruin anything, since they are on the weaker side. Annis specializes in one thing only, and has done so for over 50 years or more. It is the only Demagger you will ever need. If you have doubts about its safety, just contact the company. Annis has made this model for so long, they even take them in, and check them for free. This is their business. Its not some cheap accessory that Teac or Akai, or Radio SHack sold, to give consumers peace of mind. This actually works, it comes with a whole kits, and a Magnometer, with full explanations of the product, and the theory of Magnetism. This is truely the only one to own, and you will know your deck is truely demagnetized. This has been reviewed by experts in this field over and over. I own the nak Demag, also the TEAC, Sony, Akai, and Radio Shack. They are all truely toys compared to the Annis. Again, this is Annis specialty. You can call them for yourselves to find out the effectiveness of this unit. And once you hold it, you will see the others were toys, made for c onsumers, who arent as diligent as serious audiophiles when it comes to demaggiing. So, the toy ones are a bit safer, since they are weaker. You dont need to get as close with the Annis, and it will still fully demag your deck. No need to worry about scraping Tape Heads, or putting tape over the probe, because you dont have to touch the heads with this unit. Been in business forever, and only in this field. Its very safe and appropriate for a Nak cassette deck. You wont wonder if your deck is truely demagged after using an Annis unit, you will know it, Hence the magnometer, if you choose to use it to measure head magnetism. 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Re: Re: Response to message 11 Tri mic recording (Tom Brucker) > 9. Re: Auxiliary device for T-100 (Tom Brucker) > 10. New Feature enhanced 680ZX (johngipps at aol.com) > 11. Re : Auxilliary Device for T-100 (johngipps at aol.com) > 12. A Question about Demag units (soumitra at soumitrab.com) > 13. Re: A Question about Demag units (Kermit Gray) > 14. Re: A Yellow Nak? (Grover Zinn (imap)) > 15. Re: A Question about Demag units (Ron) > 16. RE: A Yellow Nak? (Steve Ember) > 17. Re: A lazy BX-150 (Andr? Deurloo) > 18. RE: bias issue with Nak Dragon (kannan srinivasaraghavan) > 19. FW: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? (Mark Exstedt) > 20. Re: A Question about Demag units (Kermit Gray) > 21. Re: A Question about Demag units (Bansijeff at aol.com) > 22. Re: A Question about Demag units (Bansijeff at aol.com) > 23. Re: A Question about Demag units (benstratford at aol.co.uk) > 24. RE: bias issue with Nak Dragon (Gene Ess) > 25. Re: bias issue with Nak Dragon (Tom Brucker) > 26. A Question about Demag units (Kimo B. Yap) > 27. Re: A Question about Demag units (Kermit Gray) > 28. Re: A Question about Demag units (Kermit Gray) > 29. Re: A Question about Demag units (Kermit Gray) > 30. Re: A Question about Demag units (benstratford at aol.co.uk) > 31. Re: A Question about Demag units ( Antoine Desch?nes ) > 32. Re: A Question about Demag units (Bob Naylor) > 33. Re: A Question about Demag units (Bansijeff at aol.com) > 34. Re: A Question about Demag units (Ron) > 35. Re: A Question about Demag units (Ron) > 36. Re: A Question about Demag units (Ron) > 37. Re: A Yellow Nak? (BOEING747600 at aol.com) > 38. RE: bias issue with Nak Dragon (Gene Ess) > 39. RX-202 Cover (gaoneill at comcast.net) > 40. RE: A Question about Demag units (Graham A Nelson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:14:08 +1100 > From: "Martin & Karen Short" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <00e101c8843a$92c36e30$0100000a at martinsvdix8fy> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > That is a classic ..wonderous BS.. and ..a must buy... > You see this so often these people must truely believe what they write.. > such is the legend of Nakamichi > > Looks like a case of slightly sticking pinch rollers or worn mode control > belt, so you have to wonder how good the service was!! > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:33:40 -0400 > From: Tim Barrett > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <47D7B184.2060903 at cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Actually, it sounds like his capstan belt is wearing out and the tape > path is unstable for the first few seconds of play. He may be hearing > the tape path wander and then stabilize in the correct place. > > Tim > > John Nelson wrote: > > I just ran across this ad on ebay for a wonderful new feature enhanced > > 680zx...Item number: 180222609683 > > Where did this guy get this from.... > > > > For sale is a member of my prized collection of stereo equipment, the > > Nakamichi 680ZX. I was told that Nakamichi produced the Nakamichi > > 680ZX before the Nakamichi Dragon was released. If you listen closely > > for 1 to 3 seconds after the playback of a new pre-recorded cassette > > is initiated in this unit, you will hear the sound brighten, > > developing a rich fullness. This is the unit's self-adjusting > > (Auto-Azimuth Adjustment) for maximal response on each cassette tape. > > This unit does its Auto Azimuth Adjustment transparently without the > > indicator lights hosted by the Nakamichi Dragon. > > > > This unit was purchased in 1980 shortly after my graduation from > > Graceland University. It has been stored in a cabinet with the rest > > of my stereo equipment in a smoke-free, climate controlled home. > > During its last ten years, a surge and spike protector protected it. > > I am selling this unit because I do not listen to or record cassette > > tapes as much as I once did. This unit was recently serviced by Audio > > Mart Service Center in Kansas City, MO. They have serviced all of my > > high end stereo equipment since 1982. They professionally cleaned the > > unit and checked all functions and switches. As any Stereo fanatic > > would expect, it passed with flying colors. As one would imagine, I > > have moved several times the owner's manual and original box have been > > lost. For the Nakamichi's journey to your home, I will carefully > > package it. This unit is for sell only to good home, I want it well > > cared for, if you have any doubts about this unit, do not bid on it. > > A collector's item if this value is not expected to go homeless. > > > > For this day of selling this prized possession, I did some internet > > research on this unit. I noticed that a search indicated that > > downloads of the owner's manual are available for a nominal price. I > > also found the specs and writings by other admirers of the Nakamichi > > 680ZX. > > > > Nakamichi perfected the art of making the world's finest cassette deck > > with the 680ZX. This Nakamichi is the known as the finest > > non-reversing cassette deck with three heads, metal tape support, a > > half speed mode and a fifty segment meter. The Nakamichi has a full > > 20-20,000 frequency response on good quality tape with manual bias > > adjustments. adjustments). It only supports Dolby B noise reduction. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/bb366c08/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:46:45 -0400 > From: modernizy at netscape.net > Subject: [naktalk] Auxiliary device for T-100 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8CA524DE1E50840-368-36ED at FWM-D42.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi, > > Another strange device associated with T-100 at German E-bay: > http://cgi.ebay.de/Geraet-device-for-Nakamichi-T-100-Audio-Analyzer-T-100_W0QQit > emZ330218517375QQihZ014QQcategoryZ27795QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#eba > yphotohosting > > Any clues or wild guesses? What is it? > > Thank you in advance for any information. > > Nick. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/82fd43a1/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:59:37 -0400 > From: Doug Guth > Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Bit of Nakamichi Gauge Confusion > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: "hwbosshoss at comcast.net" > Message-ID: > <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD4232D1CB5B2 at mail.mmsav.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Andy, > I apologize for my delayed response. We've had a lot of "stuff" happening > lately and it's been crazy. I have looked through some of my old service > center requirements and Nakamichi did list the 9047 Stroke Gauge as a required > gauge for Authorized Service Centers in 1991. They told me that I did not need > to purchase that particular gauge since we only serviced the newer decks that we > sold and could send the classics back to Nak. Let me look in my old price list > when I get home and see what it says. You may want to contact Luis at > http://peromarta.org/naks/ since he has a "gauge project" underway. He appears > to have put quite a bit of effort into making calibration tapes and may be the > guru. Again I'll look at my old parts price list from the '90s and see if it > has a description of the gauges. > > Thanks, > Doug Guth, CTS > Field Service Engineer > Multi Media Services > 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. > Greenville, SC 29607 > (864) 297-8533 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net [mailto:hwbosshoss at comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:55 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] A Bit of Nakamichi Gauge Confusion > > > Hello, All: > > I sent this e-mail to a few Naktalk members but never got a reply, so I'll put > it out to everyone: > > There are two Nakamichi gauges currently on eBay right now: > > DA9042 - E.H. Stroke Check Gauge (eBay # 320225056361) > > DA9047 - Stroke Check Gauge (incorrectly listed as a Tilt Check Gauge - eBay # > 320225482656) > > I don't know if I need to bid on either one of these, because they look > identical to gauges that I already own. > > The 9047 Stroke Check Gauge looks identical to my 9090 Stroke Check Gauge. > > Even more strange, the 9042 E.H. Stroke Check Gauge looks identical to my 9091 > GUIDE HEIGHT Gauge. (Why are there two different names?) > > ARE THESE GAUGES IN FACT IDENTICAL? If they are identical, why are the gauge > numbers different? > > If so, there is no need for me to bid on them. If someone can tell me what > might be different about the gauges on eBay, or what Nak model(s) the gauges are > used for, I might consider bidding. But it doesn't look like I need either one > of these gauges for my collection. > > PLEASE ADVISE....THANKS! > > > *andy* > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:46:42 -0400 > From: "Gene Ess" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Alex, > > Thanks for your advice. I tried your suggestion and it still is no good. > The Normal and Metal works fine. The Chrome setting, the bias meter reads > really low. The meter reads very low even with the bias turned all the way > clockwise. The strange thing is after trying many times, it will finally > work and I can bias properly but then the next time, the same story. The > meter measures wrong all the way down on the meter. > > I am new to this deck but I am not new to electronics. Can this be a > trimmer problem on the Chrome/bias? Or maybe some intermittent switch with > the EQ 120/70 setting? It works like 1 out of 20 tries so I have to get > this fixed. > > Thanks for your time and knowledge. > > Gene > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:24 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > Hello Gene, > > As also own the same deck.... first try to move forth & back all such > potentiometers EX/SX & ZX...both level & bias for at least one minute each > one from looking to a clock 07.00 > 17.00 (Trust that you will comprehend > what I mean!?), as IF such just "Picked' Dragon deck was NOT used for long > time...this "Free Of Charge" maintenance will help in most case. As you > wrote the Bias oscillator is working...so from my ample knowledge...what I > write you will 90% help. > > Inform to all of us the results...BTW...also clean extremely well all the > heads, pinch rollers/capstans & DEGAUSS all very carefully (Deck OFF mains > plug OFF from the wall...as you are a novice in this matter...my best & > secure advise!). > > Good luck, > > Truly, > > Alex! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:09 -0400 > Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > > Hi, > > Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz > bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put > the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to > bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. > > It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA > and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome > setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be > wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? > > Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > Gene > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail�-get > your "fix". Check it out. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/f06ff7c1/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:03:43 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Response to message 11 Tri mic recording > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , > naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <8805101.1205330623394.JavaMail.root at elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > The use of cardoids comes with the concept of "aiming" microphones. I > exeprienced an epiphany when I used Beyer omnis to record a pit orchestra, and > heard everything in perfect balance! When using omnis in real space you have to > choose the correct distance from the sound source to balance direct sound, the > mixture and balance of sources, and the room sound. This usually means closer > and higher mic postions. > Nakamichi mic systems (CM700, CM1000) came with both omni and cardoid > capsules. The cardoids were better sounding, due to a smoother pattern of rear > frequency rejection (no lobes), so they were easier to use, or misbehaved less > perhaps. Even the Nak shotgun capsule could sound musical. It was a Greatful > Dead "Taper's" standard in a 2 mic setup. > What fun it would be to have NakTalk copies of Dead concerts done with a 550 > and CM700s! I'll have to talk to "dancin' Dan" about it. > > tom brucker > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: B Morahan > >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 10:41 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Response to message 11 Tri mic recording > > > >Your essay is great but I don't follow one thing. You state that the > >Nakamichi system improves on the the Bell Labs method by substituting > >three cardioid mikes for three omni mikes. The Nakamichi Live > >Recording System Manual states, "In general, however, unless their is > >good reason to use cardioid microphones, omni-directional microphones > >are preferred as they will yield superior results." My experience is > >that the omni mikes "hear" more. I only use cardioid mikes if the > >audience is too loud. > >Also: > >I wanted the recording to sound as experienced by the audience but if > >I used the setup you described some instruments didn't sound full, > >notably the piano I put my mikes on the stage and put one near the > >piano. I guess this may be wrong, it certainly isn't as described in > >the Nakamichi Live Recording Manual, but it worked for me. If I make a > >live recording now I use a DAT deck and because there is more dynamic > >range than my Nak decks, the placement of the mikes is more flexible. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:16:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > > <12394928.1205331417733.JavaMail.root at elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the "Snake". This groundbreaking and > expensive deck featured "euro-styling" and 100 hour (really long) recording time > on a single cassette. To achieve this amazing feat, the deck removed and > discarded the cassette shell entirely, loaded the magnetic tape into its yellow > tubular body, and traversed its length with the new "Crystarolypoly" head. > Multiple tapes could be stored within the tube, making the Nakamichi Snake the > most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included were Dolby SSSSS, and > polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and remain largely hidden in the > grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Roland > >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 PM > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? > > > >Andy, > > > >I believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from > >places like Microswitch,Omron, etc,... > > > > > > > >At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote: > > > >>This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL! > >> > >>Maybe it was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over > >>a long distance for maximum sound coverage! > >> > >> > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ > 150224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >> > >> > >> > >>*andy* > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:21:44 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Response to message 11 Tri mic recording > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , B Morahan > > Cc: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <2880995.1205331704907.JavaMail.root at elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Kermit, > I hadn't thought of the transient response issue, but your point makes total > sense. Cardoids phase shift at selected frequency bands, and phase shift > destroys transient integrity. I value dynamics over any other recorded sound > attribute, and have always preferred omnis! Thank you. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Kermit Gray > >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 11:16 PM > >To: B Morahan > >Cc: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Response to message 11 Tri mic recording > > > >Ah! Good points, perhaps the word "improved" was unwise on my part, as > >is the word "superior" used by Nakamichi. We have an issue of > >historical context here. > > > >One of my recording teachers was an assistant to E. C. Wente, one of > >the engineers who developed the Bell Labs system. They had phasing > >problems with the omni mikes they used, but in 1928 a directional > >condensor mike sounded awful, so they stayed with omnis and tried to > >minimize the phasing problems. Another thing they discovered was that > >a directional mike minimized room sound, desirable is some but not all > >circumstances, and also allowed closer spacing of the mikes, also > >desirable with some subjects, such as small combos. But, again, no > >directional mike available in 1928 was satisfactory. > > > >Both positions are conditionally correct. Omni mikes have superior > >transient response compared to directional mikes, even today, as shown > >by the amazing omnis made by Earthworks, Schoeps, and DPA. In the > >1970s when Nakamichi created their system, omnis had flatter frequency > >response, and most small-diaphragm cardioid condensors were noisier, > >had worse THD, and tended to beam high frequencies. Today, it is > >possible to make ruler-flat directional condensor mikes that are dead > >quiet and with just a good THD specs as omnis, such as those made by > >DPA and Josephson. Many of the quality issues that prompted Nakamichi > >to criticize cardioids are no longer an issue with many of today's > >mikes. > > > >Use omnis when you want the best possible transient response, in > >situations where mono compatibility is unneeded, or when the presence > >of room acoustics and audience noise in the recording is desired or is > >not unwanted. Placing omnis close in to small subjects, such as jazz > >combos or string quartets, is problematic but not impossible. There is > >a tendency for the stereo image to be exaggerated. > > > >Use high quality cardioids when you must minimize room acoustics, > >reduce audience noise, need some (but not perfect) mono compatibility, > >and are dealing with smaller subjects and have little time to > >experiment with optimum mike placement. Cardioids will give some > >freedom to make errors in placement yet still have vivid imaging. > >Cardioids also let you create a spatial image that has a better- > >focused center with most subjects. A cardioid will boost bass somewhat > >and can reduce the effect of low frequency resonance canceling put the > >amount of bass recorded in rooms with poor acoustics. > > > >If the room acoustics are good, omnis will create a better sense of > >solidity with bass sounds but a slightly fuzzy center image. Cardioids > >will tighten up the imaging, but the bass, ironically, loses impact in > >good acoustics. Conversely, with poor room acoustics omnis will > >usually give muddy and indistinct bass, and cardioids will give better > >defined bass. > > > >A good compromise is to use omnis for the left and right mikes and a > >cardioid for the center. > > > >Professionally, in the 1970s, I seldom ever had time to find optimum > >placement, so I used high quality cardioid dynamic mikes almost > >exclusively. This choice avoided the quality issues of cardioid > >condensor mikes yet gave me the freedom of placement and the ability > >to reduce venue noise. It also improved reliability because I didn't > >have to hassle with power supplies or batteries. Today I customarily > >use the same setup simply because I'm so used to it I don't have to > >waste time. > > > >I accomplished the best recordings of grand piano, string quartets or > >trios or harpsichord with three spaced Beyerdynamic M160 ribbon mikes. > > > >I had a few situations where the instruments didn't sound full with > >the three mikes placed as shown in the Nakamichi system. This shows a > >situation where that system is inadequate, so alternate mike placement > >must be found, as you experienced. > > > > > >On Mar 11, 2008, at 11:41 PM, B Morahan wrote: > > > >> Your essay is great but I don't follow one thing. You state that the > >> Nakamichi system improves on the the Bell Labs method by > >> substituting three cardioid mikes for three omni mikes. The > >> Nakamichi Live Recording System Manual states, "In general, however, > >> unless their is good reason to use cardioid microphones, omni- > >> directional microphones are preferred as they will yield superior > >> results." My experience is that the omni mikes "hear" more. I only > >> use cardioid mikes if the audience is too loud. > >> Also: > >> I wanted the recording to sound as experienced by the audience but > >> if I used the setup you described some instruments didn't sound > >> full, notably the piano I put my mikes on the stage and put one near > >> the piano. I guess this may be wrong, it certainly isn't as > >> described in the Nakamichi Live Recording Manual, but it worked for > >> me. If I make a live recording now I use a DAT deck and because > >> there is more dynamic range than my Nak decks, the placement of the > >> mikes is more flexible. > > > >-- Kermit Gray > >notarbene at kvglabs.com > >KVG Laboratories > >Equipment to Make Your Music Better > >16371 Lake Point Drive > >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > >Telephone: 913-422-0957 > >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:32:52 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Auxiliary device for T-100 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , > naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <4668684.1205332372655.JavaMail.root at elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/d8e50ded/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:32:06 -0400 > From: johngipps at aol.com > Subject: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8CA525C997F9748-1730-12B3 at Webmail-mg19.sim.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi John > > Sounds to me as though the 680ZX in question has quite a common service related > condition that the owner has decided is a design feature. > > In any of the decks with the "classic" transport, if either of the roller > assemblies are slow to rotate into position, the tape runs initially off correct > track alignment, since only one roller and capstan pair are engaged - the deck > is running as a single capstan deck at this time. As soon as the second roller > assembly (that is gummed up with old lubricant) rotates begrudgingly into > position, the transport starts behaving like a dual capstan transport, and > correct track alignment is achieved. When this happens, the sound is dull at > first with wrong alignment, and then brightens up when correct alignment is > achieved. This behaviour is quite common. > > So I'm inclined to think that this 680ZX is simply in need of service. > . > Regards > > John Gipps > > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:53:14 -0500 > From: "John Nelson" > Subject: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <001701c883e3$d62df4d0$6400000a at John687DEA0AFB> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I just ran across this ad on ebay for a wonderful new feature enhanced > 680zx...Item number: 180222609683 > Where did this guy get this from.... > > For sale is a member of my prized collection of stereo equipment, the > Nakamichi 680ZX. I was told that Nakamichi produced the Nakamichi 680ZX > before the Nakamichi Dragon was released. If you listen closely for 1 to 3 > seconds after the playback of a new pre-recorded cassette is initiated in > this unit, you will hear the sound brighten, developing a rich fullness. > This is the unit's self-adjusting (Auto-Azimuth Adjustment) for maximal > response on each cassette tape. This unit does its Auto Azimuth Adjustment > transparently without the indicator lights hosted by the Nakamichi Dragon. > > This unit was purchased in 1980 shortly after my graduation from Graceland > University. It has been stored in a cabinet with the rest of my stereo > equipment in a smoke-free, climate controlled home. During its last ten > years, a surge and spike protector protected it. I am selling this unit > because I do not listen to or record cassette tapes as much as I once did. > This unit was recently serviced by Audio Mart Service Center in Kansas City, > MO. They have serviced all of my high end stereo equipment since 1982. > They professionally cleaned the unit and checked all functions and switches. > As any Stereo fanatic would expect, it passed with flying colors. As one > would imagine, I have moved several times the owner's manual and original > box have been lost. For the Nakamichi's journey to your home, I will > carefully package it. This unit is for sell only to good home, I want it > well cared for, if you have any doubts about this unit, do not bid on it. A > collector's item if this value is not expected to go homeless. > > For this day of selling this prized possession, I did some internet research > on this unit. I noticed that a search indicated that downloads of the owner's > manual are available for a nominal price. I also found the specs and > writings by other admirers of the Nakamichi 680ZX. > > Nakamichi perfected the art of making the world's finest cassette deck with > the 680ZX. This Nakamichi is the known as the finest non-reversing cassette > deck with three heads, metal tape support, a half speed mode and a fifty > segment meter. The Nakamichi has a full 20-20,000 frequency response on > good quality tape with manual bias adjustments. adjustments). It only > supports Dolby B noise reduction. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/c54942af/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:51:42 -0400 > From: johngipps at aol.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re : Auxilliary Device for T-100 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8CA525F569ED738-1730-140B at Webmail-mg19.sim.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Nick > > > > Could be lots of things, who knows, it says "filter" - maybe a subsonic filter - > but one thing I'm confident of - despite the Nakamichi logo on the front panel, > there's no way Nakamichi made the ugly looking thing. > > > > Regards > > > > John Gipps > > > > > Hi, > > > > Another strange device associated with T-100 at German E-bay: > > http://cgi.ebay.de/Geraet-device-for-Nakamichi-T-100-Audio-Analyzer-T-100_ > > W0QQitemZ330218517375QQihZ014QQcategoryZ27795QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ > > ViewItem#ebayphotohosting > > > > Any clues or wild guesses? What is it? > > > > Thank you in advance for any information. > > > > Nick. > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/362cc088/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:25:52 +0530 > From: > Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: > Message-ID: <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0 at mypcrekbacm4qm> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi everybody > I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about increasing > its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically this is possible > ... just wondering how much coiling would be needed ? Would it have to be > the same guage as the current wire or thinner ? > Would love to have inputs from all of you. > > Regards > Soumi > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:57:33 -0500 > From: Kermit Gray > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: soumitra at soumitrab.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <7FF94AE7-7499-4E1A-9F3E-2E4BB3EE13F1 at kvglabs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi Soumi, > > In essence, a demagnetizer is an electromagnet. > > Therefore, Magnetomotive force, designated F can be determined by the > formula > > F = (N * I)/0.796 > > Where N = number of turns of wire > I = current in Amperes > F = Magnetomotive force measured in Amperes per turn > > you then have to do forumlae to determine gap resistance, and the > fluxivity induced into the core as a function of the wire length as > well as the number of turns and the fluxivity emitted into an air gap > as a result. This isn't really something my math skill is up to > summarizing into an email. > > In short, it's not merely double the nubmer of turns and you double > the field strength. > > Given the hassle of adding turns onto an already made unit without > creating as many problems as you solve, if I were you I'd cheat and > buy an Annis Han D Mag. Then you have the strongest demagnetizer > currently made, and one you know does an excellent job. > > When I use a Nakamichi DR-10 demagnetizer, you hear a little vibration > created by the magnetic field. But use an Annis Han D Mag and the tape > deck hums loudly -- audible testimony of the Annis's power! > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 9:55 AM, > wrote: > > > Hi everybody > > I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about > > increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically > > this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling would be > > needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current wire or > > thinner ? > > Would love to have inputs from all of you. > > > > Regards > > Soumi > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:23:42 -0400 > From: "Grover Zinn (imap)" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? > To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <1CCEB94E-93F4-4187-BBDB-E0B0CF351137 at oberlin.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII > > Thanks for this explanation of the marvelous device! :-) > > I would think that the "30w male--50w female" power cord adapter > listed among the other items on the seller's page (need any orchids or > an Elivs 45?) is an equally revolutionary "add on" for the nakamichi > "Snake". Taking the 30w male as the "input" end to be plugged into > the "output" of the "Snake", the power amplification ( 30 to 50 watts, > not quite doubling) in such a short, small, and self-powered unit > would have to be one of the best kept secrets of the audio industry. > Wonder what else the grass has hidden in it? (perhaps the actual > picture of the nak purportedly being sold?) > > Grover Zinn > > Grover Zinn > William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) > former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences > Oberlin College > Oberlin, OH 44074 > 440-775-8866 (department) > grover.zinn at oberlin.edu > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > > > After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the "Snake". This > > groundbreaking and expensive deck featured "euro-styling" and 100 > > hour (really long) recording time on a single cassette. To achieve > > this amazing feat, the deck removed and discarded the cassette shell > > entirely, loaded the magnetic tape into its yellow tubular body, and > > traversed its length with the new "Crystarolypoly" head. Multiple > > tapes could be stored within the tube, making the Nakamichi Snake > > the most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included were > > Dolby SSSSS, and polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and > > remain largely hidden in the grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. > > > > tom brucker > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Roland > >> Sent: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 PM > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? > >> > >> Andy, > >> > >> I believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from > >> places like Microswitch,Omron, etc,... > >> > >> > >> > >> At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote: > >> > >>> This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL! > >>> > >>> Maybe it was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over > >>> a long distance for maximum sound coverage! > >>> > >>> > >>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ15 > 0224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *andy* > >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >> > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > > > > > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > 615-331-9241 > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:37:01 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: soumitra at soumitrab.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <47D830DD.2090407 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > > Hi everybody > > I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about > > increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically > > this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling would be needed ? > > Would it have to be the same guage as the current wire or thinner ? > > Would love to have inputs from all of you. > > > > Regards > > Soumi > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > the head, achieving the opposite result of what > you want. > > To answer your question: the whole new coil should > be roughly half the gauge and twice the inductance > (not twice the number of turns). > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:40:21 -0400 > From: Steve Ember > Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > Bravo, Tom! Sometimes in reading the posts, one gets the feeling Nakamichi > devotees are somewhat devoid of humor. Thanks for dispelling that notion! > Now...I'm just wondering...Should we start bombarding the seller with very > specific questions like ummm, can you post more pictures, like umm showing the > Play and Record buttons...how fast will it rewind a C-90?...like umm how many > mic inputs does it have? Does it come with any cassettes? > > Gotta hand it to ebay. There may be crooks lurking among the sellers...bozos > who blindly crib specs in listing their dusty decks...clueless ebay depots > selling mystery goods, and the like. But ya gotta love mostcreativemantis or > whatever her name is. Is that not the most "creative" illustration of the > venerable TriTracer you've ever seen? Whatcha suppose she's been smokin'? > > Steve Ember> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:16:57 -0600> From: > hitech77 at earthlink.net> To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: > [naktalk] A Yellow Nak?> > After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the "Snake". > This groundbreaking and expensive deck featured "euro-styling" and 100 hour > (really long) recording time on a single cassette. To achieve this amazing feat, > the deck removed and discarded the cassette shell entirely, loaded the magnetic > tape into its yellow tubular body, and traversed its length with the new > "Crystarolypoly" head. Multiple tapes could be stored within the tube, making > the Nakamichi Snake the most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included > were Dolby SSSSS, and polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and remain > largely hidden in the grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. > > tom brucker> > > -----Original Message-----> >From: Roland > >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 > 6:11 PM> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > ! > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak?> >> >Andy,> >> >I believe that is a > extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from > >places like > Microswitch,Omron, etc,...> >> >> >> >At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote:> >> > >>This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL!> >>> >>Maybe it > was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over > >>a long distance > for maximum sound coverage!> >>> >>> > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ > 150224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >>> > >>> >>> >>*andy*> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >>Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========>! > >> >========-------------------------------------------------! > -------- > =========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > > Hi Tech Service> 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211> > hitech77 at earthlink.net> hitech at bellsouth.net> 615-331-9241> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/7ef522e4/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:56:35 +0100 > From: Andr? Deurloo > Subject: [naktalk] Re: A lazy BX-150 > To: hitech77 at earthlink.net, naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <47D82763.2020208 at xs4all.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Tom, > > Many thanks for your reply. Here's the deal.... > > 1. Like you said I played a tape, pressed STOP, turned over the tape and > pressed PLAY. Over and over again. At least 20 times. The deck played > happily every single time. > > 2. Next I only played a short piece near the end of the tape to trigger > autostop. When the tape gets to the end and hit autostop I turned over > the tape, pressed PLAY. The deck played. I did this several times in a > row, no problem. > > So it seems this BX-150 really needs at least 40 minutes of continuous > playing before it starts misbehaving. > > Then something went lost in translation. Because you said: "If so ("the > deck plays..."), the microprocessor latches (???) when the autostop is > triggered..." I would need a new micro because of this. Can you please > explain this a little more? Just for my better understanding... > > I do understand, BTW, these micro's are not easy to come by. Unless > you're willing to do business with some obscure electronics firm in Hong > Kong Paying a quadzillion dollars for packing and transport, of course. > > I have a BX-125 that sounds dull, remember? Does this deck carry the > particular micro? I guess not because it has no digital counter. If it > does I could probably "borrow" the micro to see if things improve. > > Well, that's it for now before I get to elaborate. > > Kinds regards, > Andre > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:14:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <664414.79716.qm at web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Where are you ( your Dragon located)? > kannan > > Gene Ess wrote: > .hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; > MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } BODY.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; > FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } Hi Alex, > > Thanks for your advice. I tried your suggestion and it still is no good. The > Normal and Metal works fine. The Chrome setting, the bias meter reads really > low. The meter reads very low even with the bias turned all the way clockwise. > The strange thing is after trying many times, it will finally work and I can > bias properly but then the next time, the same story. The meter measures wrong > all the way down on the meter. > > I am new to this deck but I am not new to electronics. Can this be a trimmer > problem on the Chrome/bias? Or maybe some intermittent switch with the EQ > 120/70 setting? It works like 1 out of 20 tries so I have to get this fixed. > > Thanks for your time and knowledge. > > Gene > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Alex Cozac > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:24 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > Hello Gene, > > As also own the same deck.... first try to move forth & back all such > potentiometers EX/SX & ZX...both level & bias for at least one minute each one > from looking to a clock 07.00 > 17.00 (Trust that you will comprehend what I > mean!?), as IF such just "Picked' Dragon deck was NOT used for long time...this > "Free Of Charge" maintenance will help in most case. As you wrote the Bias > oscillator is working...so from my ample knowledge...what I write you will 90% > help. > > Inform to all of us the results...BTW...also clean extremely well all the heads, > pinch rollers/capstans & DEGAUSS all very carefully (Deck OFF mains plug OFF > from the wall...as you are a novice in this matter...my best & secure advise!). > > Good luck, > > Truly, > > Alex! > --------------------------------- > From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:09 -0400 > Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > Hi, > > Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz bias > tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the deck > in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, the > meters give really low (and wrong) readings. > > It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and > Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting > but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And > who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? > > Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > Gene > > > --------------------------------- > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail�-get your > "fix". Check it out. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/26a2fc1b/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:39:36 -0600 > From: Mark Exstedt > Subject: FW: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Interesting. I only knew of the Pioneer cassette changer and believe I have an > oportunity to buy one. Does anyone know the value of the Pioneer? I believe it > held some 5-6 tapes.> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:16:57 -0600> From: > hitech77 at earthlink.net> To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: > [naktalk] A Yellow Nak?> > After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the 'Snake'. > This groundbreaking and expensive deck featured 'euro-styling' and 100 hour > (really long) recording time on a single cassette. To achieve this amazing feat, > the deck removed and discarded the cassette shell entirely, loaded the magnetic > tape into its yellow tubular body, and traversed its length with the new > 'Crystarolypoly' head. Multiple tapes could be stored within the tube, making > the Nakamichi Snake the most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included > were Dolby SSSSS, and polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and remain > largely hidden in the grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. > ! > > tom brucker> > -----Original Message-----> >From: Roland > > >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 PM> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak?> >> >Andy,> >> >I > believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from > >places > like Microswitch,Omron, etc,...> >> >> >> >At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote:> >> > >>This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL!> >>> >>Maybe it > was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over > >>a long distance > for maximum sound coverage!> >>> >>> > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ > 150224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >>> > >>> >>> >>*andy*> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> > Naktalk at naks.com! > mailinglist> >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.co! > m/mailma > n/listinfo/naktalk> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > > Hi Tech Service> 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211> > hitech77 at earthlink.net> hitech at bellsouth.net> 615-331-9241> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========-------------------------------------------------! > --------========= > _________________________________________________________________ > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/4b6b5824/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:30:04 -0500 > From: Kermit Gray > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > >> Hi everybody > >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about > >> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. > >> Theoretically this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling > >> would be needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current > >> wire or thinner ? > >> Would love to have inputs from all of you. > >> Regards > >> Soumi > > > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > > the head, achieving the opposite result of what > > you want. > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only > magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > > > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:03:34 EDT > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 3:01:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > the head, achieving the opposite result of what > you want. > > > > Yes, ditto, I completely agree. > JW > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/0376d904/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:39:36 EDT > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only > magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just by taking > the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The idea that the > Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very powerful one > probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) is completely > bogus, and could get you in trouble. > > JW > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/72da450d/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:09:05 -0400 > From: benstratford at aol.co.uk > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8CA52B5958AF4DC-DF0-21CB at WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be used too often > - affecting the motors or anything else? > > Thanks, Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com > Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote:? > ? > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote:? > >> Hi everybody? > >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> increasing > its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically this is possible > ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed ? Would it have to be the > same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ?? > >> Would love to have inputs from all of you.? > >> Regards? > >> Soumi? > >? > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field? > > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize? > > the head, achieving the opposite result of what? > > you want.? > ? > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic field > strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! That's why the > Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. because it is the > magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize the heads if he > incorrectly used the demagnetizer.? > ? > >? > ? > -- Kermit Gray? > notarbene at kvglabs.com? > KVG Laboratories? > Equipment to Make Your Music Better? > 16371 Lake Point Drive? > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA? > Telephone: 913-422-0957? > Skype ID: triodelicacy? > ? > ? > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? > ? Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register? > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? > ? Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist? > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk? > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/e0cedd4a/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:29:51 -0400 > From: "Gene Ess" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > New York City. > > Gene > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of kannan srinivasaraghavan > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:14 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > Where are you ( your Dragon located)? > kannan > > Gene Ess wrote: > Hi Alex, > > Thanks for your advice. I tried your suggestion and it still is no > good. The Normal and Metal works fine. The Chrome setting, the bias meter > reads really low. The meter reads very low even with the bias turned all > the way clockwise. The strange thing is after trying many times, it will > finally work and I can bias properly but then the next time, the same story. > The meter measures wrong all the way down on the meter. > > I am new to this deck but I am not new to electronics. Can this be a > trimmer problem on the Chrome/bias? Or maybe some intermittent switch with > the EQ 120/70 setting? It works like 1 out of 20 tries so I have to get > this fixed. > > Thanks for your time and knowledge. > > Gene > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:24 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > Hello Gene, > > As also own the same deck.... first try to move forth & back all such > potentiometers EX/SX & ZX...both level & bias for at least one minute each > one from looking to a clock 07.00 > 17.00 (Trust that you will comprehend > what I mean!?), as IF such just "Picked' Dragon deck was NOT used for long > time...this "Free Of Charge" maintenance will help in most case. As you > wrote the Bias oscillator is working...so from my ample knowledge...what I > write you will 90% help. > > Inform to all of us the results...BTW...also clean extremely well all > the heads, pinch rollers/capstans & DEGAUSS all very carefully (Deck OFF > mains plug OFF from the wall...as you are a novice in this matter...my best > & secure advise!). > > Good luck, > > Truly, > > Alex! > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:09 -0400 > Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > > Hi, > > Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The > 15kHz bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If > I put the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into > Tape to bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. > > It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK > SA and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the > Chrome setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What > can be wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? > > Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on > NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > Gene > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail�-get > your "fix". Check it out. > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------======= > == > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/63a5b195/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:05:59 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , > naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <11296752.1205359559361.JavaMail.root at elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/0cb777d2/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 26 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:20:19 -0700 > From: "Kimo B. Yap" > Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > OK, I'm going to risk the ridicule of all the physicist/EEs here (so > remember I'm a chemist or software guy and this is hardware:-)... > > Isn't the confusion here that a demagnetizer is an AC unit so the > "field" produced is a dynamic field, not a static one (in terms of the > H vector especially its direction as well as magnitude); increasing > the coil increases the maxima of the field. > > If it were a DC electromagnet, then the stronger constant field would > be more likely to magnetize the heads. > > This is assuming proper usage and all that stuff as well, and it not > meant to comment on the advisability of doing > such a thing anyways; probably better just to get something designed > to produce a bigger field.-kby > > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > > > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the > > magnetic > > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! > > D'Oh! > > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > > field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only > > magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > > If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just > > by taking > > the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The > > idea that the > > Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very > > powerful one > > probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) > > is completely > > bogus, and could get you in trouble. > > > > JW > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/b92550e8/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 27 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:40:03 -0500 > From: Kermit Gray > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <9998A88C-7F8C-4D5C-BCE9-0354A967871D at kvglabs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > For the past 33 years I've been using the exact same Annis Han D Mag > degausser on everything from cassette decks to 2-inch reel-to-reel > decks with no ill effects. The key is to move the demagnetizer toward > the heads, then away from the heads s l o w l y and turn it off at > least 4 feet away. Every white paper I've read on the subject going > back as far as 1954 says, in essence, "stronger is better" within > practical limits of making the unit small and hand-holdable. Perhaps > in theory it is possible to make a demagnetizer "too strong" but in > practice I've never heard of it nor seen one. But, yes, if you move > the wand away quickly you can demagnetize the heads. That's an example > of using the demagnetizer incorrectly. > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > notarbene at kvglabs.com > > writes: > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > > field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only > > magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > > If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just by > > taking the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. > > The idea that the Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you > > need a very powerful one probably designed for massive reel heads > > (like for 1 inch reels) is completely bogus, and could get you in > > trouble. > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/a6121d67/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 28 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:57:10 -0500 > From: Kermit Gray > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Hi Ben, > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 7:09 PM, benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > > > Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be > > used too often - affecting the motors or anything else? > > Thanks, Ben > > > > Sure, theoretically. I suspect if you used the giant electromagnet > used in scrapyards to lift cars as a demagnetizer you'd magnetize the > deck completely and probably ruin motors with permanent magnets as > well as anything else with a permanent magnet in it. (Yes, this is a > ridiculous example mean to, illustrate a principle.) But in practice > I'm very, very skeptical you could make anything hand holdable that > would damage the deck IF PROPERLY USED. > > Annis found a good balance of powerful magnetic fields that are strong > enough to thoroughly degauss any tape head, yet not damage anything > else. PLEASE NOTE that if you move ANY demagnetizer too quickly toward > or away from the heads, or turn it off or on too close to the heads, > you WILL magnetize the heads. In that same situation, a powerful > demagnetizer like the Annis could possibly damage something > magnetically delicate like a moving coil meter. > > If you suffered from obsessive-compulsive disorder, yes, you possibly > could use a demagnetizer too often. How quickly residual magnetism > builds up depends on several factors, including tape speed, recording > levels, the > type of tape, and the composition of the tape heads. How often you > should demagnetize depends on both how quickly residual magnetism > builds up and how much quality loss from residual magnetism you are > willing to > accept. Slow tape speeds and low recording levels (low fluxivities) > will require infrequent demagnetizing, while high tape speeds and high > recording levels (high fluxivities) will require frequent > demagnetizing. Similarly, if you > are not willing to allow any quality losses to occur to your tapes > then you must demagnetize more often. As a rule, I "clean up" at the > end of a day with a tape recorder, and demagnetize it at the end of > the day unless it has been used for only a few minutes. > > You will hear some persons tell of a demagnetizer actually magnetizing > a head, or running a moving coil VU meter, or other magnetic mischief, > but if you look into the matter thoroughly you'll discover the > demagnetizer was used improperly or was defective. I once saw a > demagnetizer that, for whatever reason, had developed a short and > therefore the AC going into its coil was clipped on one half as if a > diode was across the line. This asymmetrical waveform meant that the > demagnetizer would MAGNETIZE anything it came into contact with > instead of demagnetizing. > > The misbelief that a demagnetizer can be too strong is based on our > experiences with magnetizing objects by rubbing them with a magnet or > placing the object in close proximity to a magnet. But this is not > what it happening with a true demagnetizer. A demagnetizer applies a > strong magnetic field strong to totally magnetize the part, then > reverses the field rapidly to cancel out the magnetism. A demagnetizer > runs on 60 (50) Hz AC, so the north and south poles of the magnetic > field reverse 120 (100) times a second. The magnetic field�s strength > must then be very, very slowly reduced until it reaches zero by slowly > moving the demagnetizer away from the heads and tape guides. ALWAYS > REMEMBER that quick, jerky motions will magnetize metal parts and > will not demagnetize them. Effective demagnetizing applies the > strongest possible magnetic field to all metal tape path parts. This > requires that the demagnetizer�s tip makes close contact with the > parts, because a magnetic field�s strength lowers with the square of > the distance. So, choose a demagnetizer that creates a strong magnetic > field, the stronger the better. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kermit Gray > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com > > Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > > > > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > > >> Hi everybody > > >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about > > >> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> > > Theoretically this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling > > >> would be needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the > > current >> wire or thinner ? > > >> Would love to have inputs from all of you. > > >> Regards > > >> Soumi > > > > > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > > > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > > > the head, achieving the opposite result of what > > > you want. > > > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the > > magnetic field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better > > demagnetizer! D'Oh! That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far > > stronger magnetic field. because it is the magnetic field that > > demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used > > the demagnetizer. > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/6a53d5e8/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 29 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:03:33 -0500 > From: Kermit Gray > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <6D3D1118-6B12-4A4B-8C8B-C4EDFBEA179E at kvglabs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Kimo, > > Exactly! You win a gold star! > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > > OK, I'm going to risk the ridicule of all the physicist/EEs here (so > > remember I'm a chemist or software guy and this is hardware:-)... > > > > Isn't the confusion here that a demagnetizer is an AC unit so the > > "field" produced is a dynamic field, not a static one (in terms of the > > H vector especially its direction as well as magnitude); increasing > > the coil increases the maxima of the field. > > > > If it were a DC electromagnet, then the stronger constant field > > would be more likely to magnetize the heads. > > > > This is assuming proper usage and all that stuff as well, and it not > > meant to comment on the advisability of doing > > such a thing anyways; probably better just to get something designed > > to produce a bigger field.-kby > > > >> In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > >> notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > >> > >> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the > >> magnetic > >> field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! > >> D'Oh! > >> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > >> field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only > >> magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > >> If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just > >> by taking > >> the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The > >> idea that the > >> Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very > >> powerful one > >> probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) > >> is completely > >> bogus, and could get you in trouble. > >> > >> JW > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/89524504/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 30 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:23:40 -0400 > From: benstratford at aol.co.uk > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8CA52C000DB5C0C-DF0-2518 at WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Kermit, thanks for the info and yes, I do suffer from OCD!  Could you describe > the speed of movement of the demag if used properly and do yo > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 1:57 pm > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > > Hi Ben, > > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 7:09 PM, benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > > > > > > Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be used too often > - affecting the motors or anything else? > > Thanks, Ben > > > > > > > > Sure, theoretically. I suspect if you used the giant electromagnet used in > scrapyards to lift cars as a demagnetizer you'd magnetize the deck completely > and probably ruin motors with permanent magnets as well as anything else with a > permanent magnet in it. (Yes, this is a ridiculous example mean to, illustrate a > principle.) But in practice I'm very, very skeptical you could make anything > hand holdable that would damage the deck IF PROPERLY USED.  > > > > > Annis found a good balance of powerful magnetic fields that are strong enough to > thoroughly degauss any tape head, yet not damage anything else. PLEASE NOTE that > if you move ANY demagnetizer too quickly toward or away from the heads, or turn > it off or on too close to the heads, you WILL magnetize the heads. In that same > situation, a powerful demagnetizer like the Annis could possibly damage > something magnetically delicate like a moving coil meter.  > > > > > If you suffered from obsessive-compulsive disorder, yes, you possibly could use > a demagnetizer too often.  How quickly residual magnetism builds up depends on > several factors, including tape speed, recording levels, the  > > type of tape, and the composition of the tape heads. How often you should > demagnetize depends on both how quickly residual magnetism builds up and how > much quality loss from residual magnetism you are willing to  > > accept. Slow tape speeds and low recording levels (low fluxivities) will require > infrequent demagnetizing, while high tape speeds and high recording levels > (high fluxivities) will require frequent demagnetizing. Similarly, if you  > > are not willing to allow any quality losses to occur to your tapes then you must > demagnetize more often. As a rule, I "clean up" at the end of a day with a tape > recorder, and demagnetize it at the end of the day unless it has been used for > only a few minutes.   > > > > > You will hear some persons tell of a demagnetizer actually magnetizing a head, > or running a moving coil VU meter, or other magnetic mischief, but if you look > into the matter thoroughly you'll discover the demagnetizer was used improperly > or was defective.  I once saw a demagnetizer that, for whatever reason, had > developed a short and therefore the AC going into its coil was clipped on one > half as if a diode was across the line. This asymmetrical waveform meant that > the demagnetizer would MAGNETIZE anything it came into contact with instead of > demagnetizing.  > > > > > > The misbelief that a demagnetizer can be too strong is based on our experiences > with magnetizing objects by rubbing them with a magnet or placing the object in > close proximity to a magnet. But this is not what it happening with a true > demagnetizer. A demagnetizer applies a strong magnetic field strong to totally > magnetize the part, then reverses the field rapidly to cancel out the > magnetism. A demagnetizer runs on 60 (50) Hz AC, so the north and south poles of > the magnetic field reverse 120 (100) times a second. The magnetic field’s > strength must then be very, very slowly reduced until it reaches zero by slowly > moving the demagnetizer away from the heads and tape guides. ALWAYS REMEMBER  > that quick, jerky motions will magnetize metal parts and will  not demagnetize > them. Effective demagnetizing applies the strongest possible magnetic field to > all metal tape path parts. This requires that the demagnetizer’s tip makes > close contact with the parts, because a magnet! > ic field’s strength lowers with the square of the distance. So, choose a > demagnetizer that creates a strong magnetic field, the stronger the better.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com > Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote:  >   > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote:  > >> Hi everybody  > >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> increasing > its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically this is possible > ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed ? Would it have to be the > same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ?  > >> Would love to have inputs from all of you.  > >> Regards  > >> Soumi  > >  > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field  > > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize  > > the head, achieving the opposite result of what  > > you want.  >   > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic field > strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! That's why the > Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. because it is the > magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize the heads if he > incorrectly used the demagnetizer.  >   > > > > > > > > > -- Kermit Gray > > notarbene at kvglabs.com > > KVG Laboratories > > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > > > > > = > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > =======---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > =======---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/66752bc0/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 31 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:22:51 -0400 > From: " Antoine Desch?nes " > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > <17d5ee910803121722u469ece54j34bb3e9a74371ed0 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Isn't it the reason why they always say to walk away slowly from the > head before turning the demagnetizer off? > > 2008/3/12, Bansijeff at aol.com : > > > > > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > > field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only > > magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > > If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just by taking > > the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The idea that the > > Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very powerful one > > probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) is > > completely bogus, and could get you in trouble. > > > > JW > > > > > > -- > Antoine Desch�nes > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 32 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:54:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bob Naylor > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <375061.36862.qm at web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Jeff, Can't you magnetize the heads by moving the de-magnetizer away from the > heads too fast? I always move the de-magnetizer away from the heads v e r y s > l o w l y. Bob > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific > Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only > magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. If a demagnetizer > is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just by taking the wand away from the > heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The idea that the Nak demagger is too weak > to do a good job, and you need a very powerful one probably designed for massive > reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) is completely bogus, and could get you in > trouble. > > JW > > > > > --------------------------------- > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/9c406086/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 33 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:33:53 EDT > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 5:41:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > > Perhaps in theory it is possible to make a demagnetizer "too strong" but in > practice I've never heard of it nor seen one. But, yes, if you move the wand > away quickly you can demagnetize the heads. That's an example of using the > demagnetizer incorrectly. > > > > > > > > In one of your ealier posts you comment - > "When I use a Nakamichi DR-10 demagnetizer, you hear a little vibration > created by the magnetic field. But use an Annis Han D Mag and the tape > deck hums loudly -- audible testimony of the Annis's power!" > > In my book, that qualifies as using a demagnetizer incorrectly. > > Jeff W > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/0d97da19/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 34 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:44:00 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <47D8A300.70002 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Kermit Gray wrote: > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > > > >> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > >>> Hi everybody > >>> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about > >>> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically > >>> this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling would be needed > >>> ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current wire or thinner ? > >>> Would love to have inputs from all of you. > >>> Regards > >>> Soumi > >> > >> Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > >> strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > >> the head, achieving the opposite result of what > >> you want. > > > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > > Not really. Once the magnetic field is enough > to penetrate the head, any addition is bad. > That's because demagnetization relies on > reducing the field *smoothly and slowly*. Any > abrupt motion actually magnetizes the head. > When the demagnetizer is too strong, this is > more apt to happen. > > > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. > > because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. > > Not so. A magnetic field magnetizes. It is the > slow and absolutely even decay of the field that > demagnetizes. Since the Annis is too powerful it > is not better, except in your imagination. > > > He'd only magnetize > > the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > > Bull! Even a small shake of the hand will cause > magnetization; and, the stronger the field, the > the more apt this is to happen. > > How well did you do in Fields 101? Did you even > take it at all? > > -- Ron > > > >> > > > > -- Kermit Gray > > notarbene at kvglabs.com > > KVG Laboratories > > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 35 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:46:10 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <47D8A382.9060009 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Too long? No! You may use it all day long with > no ill effects. > > -- Ron > > > > benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > > Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be used > > too often - affecting the motors or anything else? > > Thanks, Ben > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kermit Gray > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com > > Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > > > > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > > >> Hi everybody > > >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> > > increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically > > this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed > > ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ? > > >> Would love to have inputs from all of you. > > >> Regards > > >> Soumi > > > > > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > > > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > > > the head, achieving the opposite result of what > > > you want. > > > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. > > because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize > > the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > > > > > > > > > -- Kermit Gray > > notarbene at kvglabs.com > > KVG Laboratories > > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar > > > > for your browser. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 36 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:54:20 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <47D8A56C.6010301 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Once a demagnetizer field is strong enough to > penetrate the head, there is zero advantage > in making is stronger. Actually, there is a > disadvantage, due to the increased possibility > of magnetizing the head if it is not withdrawn > smoothly. > > -- Ron > > > benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > > Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be used > > too often - affecting the motors or anything else? > > Thanks, Ben > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kermit Gray > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com > > Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > > > > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > > >> Hi everybody > > >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> > > increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically > > this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed > > ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ? > > >> Would love to have inputs from all of you. > > >> Regards > > >> Soumi > > > > > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > > > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > > > the head, achieving the opposite result of what > > > you want. > > > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. > > because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize > > the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > > > > > > > > > -- Kermit Gray > > notarbene at kvglabs.com > > KVG Laboratories > > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 37 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:23:08 EDT > From: BOEING747600 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Please give that poor seller at ebay a break! I am sure he got the titles > mixed up! Ali > > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 5:56:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > Grover.Zinn at oberlin.edu writes: > > Thanks for this explanation of the marvelous device! :-) > > I would think that the "30w male--50w female" power cord adapter > listed among the other items on the seller's page (need any orchids or > an Elivs 45?) is an equally revolutionary "add on" for the nakamichi > "Snake". Taking the 30w male as the "input" end to be plugged into > the "output" of the "Snake", the power amplification ( 30 to 50 watts, > not quite doubling) in such a short, small, and self-powered unit > would have to be one of the best kept secrets of the audio industry. > Wonder what else the grass has hidden in it? (perhaps the actual > picture of the nak purportedly being sold?) > > Grover Zinn > > Grover Zinn > William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) > former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences > Oberlin College > Oberlin, OH 44074 > 440-775-8866 (department) > grover.zinn at oberlin.edu > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > > > After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the "Snake". This > > groundbreaking and expensive deck featured "euro-styling" and 100 > > hour (really long) recording time on a single cassette. To achieve > > this amazing feat, the deck removed and discarded the cassette shell > > entirely, loaded the magnetic tape into its yellow tubular body, and > > traversed its length with the new "Crystarolypoly" head. Multiple > > tapes could be stored within the tube, making the Nakamichi Snake > > the most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included were > > Dolby SSSSS, and polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and > > remain largely hidden in the grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. > > > > tom brucker > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Roland > >> Sent: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 PM > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? > >> > >> Andy, > >> > >> I believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from > >> places like Microswitch,Omron, etc,... > >> > >> > >> > >> At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote: > >> > >>> This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL! > >>> > >>> Maybe it was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over > >>> a long distance for maximum sound coverage! > >>> > >>> > >>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ15 > 0224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *andy* > >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >> > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > > > > > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > 615-331-9241 > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/697ac5bc/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 38 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:24:02 -0400 > From: "Gene Ess" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > To: "Tom Brucker" , "Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks" > Cc: Gene Ess > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Tom, > > Thank you for your response. I'll try your method and see. I know I can do a > pretty good job by ear as I am a musician and also have mixed and mastered jazz > CDs. > > It finally biased with a TDK SA tape after restarting the whole level/bias > process over and over like 30 times. The strange thing is the next time I try > to bias, I have to go through this whole ordeal again. Spend 30 minutes doing > something that should take couple of minutes. Not sure why the normal and metal > settings are fine. Just the chrome... > > It looks like it does not record the 15kHz tone most of the time and on some > lucky occasion, it does and the bias works. > > Gene > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Tom Brucker > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:06 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > Gene, > > Your Dragon is fine. It is in "overbias" condition. To get back on track, set > level to 12 o'clock and bias to the same. You will do this by feel since the > knobs have no mark. Record the level (400Hz) and note the meter reding, then > switch to bias. If the meters read higher levels, turn the bias knobs CCW and > then go back and forth with level set. If the meters read lower, turn the bias > CW to 1 o'clock and run the test again. What we are looking for is a bias level > that gives us the same meter levels on both level and bias tests, and then we > set the level. If not, set bias at 2 o'clock.... > > An alternate approach is to record music. Set the level to 12 o'clock, > bias all the way CCW. Press record and slowly rotate the bias setting CW 1 > "hour" for each 10 counts on the tape counter. Rewind the tape and play. When > the frequency response seems flat, note the counter reading and set the bias > controls at that "hour". Now use the level and bias calibrations to complete the > setup. > > tom brucker > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Ess > Sent: Mar 11, 2008 5:06 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > Hi, > > Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz > bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the > deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, > the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. > > It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and > Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting > but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And > who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? > > Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > Gene > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/86871318/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 39 > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:42:22 +0000 > From: gaoneill at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Cover > To: naktalk at naks.com, > Message-ID: > > <031320080242.19432.47D8948E0003DC3200004BE822069984990404070A02010E09 at comcast.n > et> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I'm new to this discussion forum, so this question may have already been > answered in the past. I recently purchased an RX-202 that is functionally > excellent: it has the gear upgrade, has been re-calibrated recently, etc... It > is, however, missing the plastic cassette cover for the front. Is there some > way I can find and buy the cover? > > Thanks. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080313/3dac0fef/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 40 > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:26:05 -0000 > From: "Graham A Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <155FD4370DDF4A7C8E0975BFD53DC1D4 at GrahamNPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Well, that's precisely what they taught us at school in Physics, that it > didn't really matter how strong was the magnetic force - if it were an AC > magnet it couldn't magnetise anything IF it were removed away from an object > slow enough as to leave the poles (?) in random order. This was > demonstrated by using a large lab' made electromagnet, and a heavy bag of > nails. The demag' was first applied to the bag of nails with an AC current > and switched off on the bag. As the physics predicted, all the little > pointed chaps were magnetised and mostly stuck together in train, flat or > sharp end, depending on their polarity. Those closest to the electro magnet > seemed to be the strongest new magnets. Then the AC demag was applied again > but this time, removed slowly. Hey presto! The nails were no longer diddy > magnets! The teacher then went on to apply a DC current to the electro > magnet. He slowly closed in on the nails, left it there with them for a few > moments. Once more, the nails had become magnetised again. He then, > switched the magnet back on again and removed it very slowly, and then > demonstrated the nails were still magnetised as before. > > This is the good bit ... He then took out one magnetised nail from the bag, > and demonstrated the strength of its power with some paper clips (counting > the number of clips it could lift.) That done, he proceeded to beat the sh#t > out of the nail with a very large hammer. Back to the paper clips, he then > demonstrated that the hammer blows had partially demagnetised the nail since > it could no longer lift as many paper clips. > > So, there you have it, guys - if you can't afford a Nak wand, the Sony > horseshoe or Kermit's favourite demag', smash the heads of your beloved > machine with a hammer ... Guaranteed to work everytime! > > Seriously, I suspect demags like the Nak or Sony, were built to a minimum > cost - sufficient to do an adequate job and cheap enough to make it a viable > price to a mass amateur market, whereas Kermit's more powerful model was > probably made to a higher specification, and cost more, in line for the more > demanding needs of the professional recordists. At least, that's my theory. > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Antoine Desch�nes > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:23 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > > Isn't it the reason why they always say to walk away slowly from the head > before turning the demagnetizer off? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 11 > *************************************** From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 13 15:48:21 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:48:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910803121722u469ece54j34bb3e9a74371ed0@mail.gmail.com> References: <17d5ee910803121722u469ece54j34bb3e9a74371ed0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D93EB5.5080501@rcn.com> Well, I said 'slowly and smoothly'. The 'Slowly' part is because the field alternates 60 times a second (50, if you're across the pond) and movement between alternations should be very small. The 'smoothly' part is because any jerk of the hand, especially when the demagnetizer field around the head is still strong, will magnetize the head, rather than demagnetize it. Personally, I have two demagnetizers. The one used for heads is a small wand, very similar to the Nak product, but branded 'Allied'. I've been using it for years, with excellent results. It will buzz when closer than about 1/4" from the head. The other is a large RS brick that I use to erase 1/2" video tape. I wouldn't let it near the CR-7 for love or money. If someone really wanted to build a better demagnetizer, here's a couple of suggestions. First, drive it from a high frequency source (1KHz to 5KHz). This would require that the tip be made from thinly laminated or powdered iron and the drive oscillator be power amplified. Second, add a circuit to gradually decrease the field to zero, so that the field decay will not depend on a human hand withdrawing the wand. Using such a demagnetizer, one would bring the tip close to the head, then press a button -- that's it -- and be assured of perfect demagnetization. I am a bit surprised that someone with such technical self assurance, that pompously talks about designing a cassette deck (for the first time in his life, no doubt), will demonstrate such technical cluelessness. Makes you wonder. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Isn't it the reason why they always say to walk away slowly from the > head before turning the demagnetizer off? > > 2008/3/12, Bansijeff at aol.com : >> >> In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: >> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic >> field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! >> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic >> field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only >> magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. >> If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just by taking >> the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The idea that the >> Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very powerful one >> probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) is >> completely bogus, and could get you in trouble. >> >> JW >> >> > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 13 14:51:33 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:51:33 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Response to message 11 Tri mic recording Message-ID: <31506931.1205416293568.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 13 14:58:36 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:58:36 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Broken stud in Nakamichi Dragon Message-ID: <23449261.1205416716034.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Norman, On the Ebaman site you will find a Nakamichi bulletin for a repair kit and procedure to repair these studs. Unfortunately even ESL no longer has these kits. You might benefit from the diagrams of the procedure. What I do is remove the mechanism, separate the layers, and epoxy the stud using a small amount of JB Weld epoxy. None of the fast cure epoxies I tried worked, so you have to figure out how to clamp the stud for 24 hours. Use the epoxy sparingly because any residual that oozes into the central hole will block the chassis screws, and usually crack the repair when you try and reassemble the mech. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Norman van Wijnen >Sent: Mar 9, 2008 5:21 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Broken stud in Nakamichi Dragon > >Hi Naktalkers, > >Because of shipping problems and bad package from a Nakamichi Dragon , i >have received a Dragon with broken stud in the mechanism assy. >Looking at http://www.nakremotes.com/Images/Nak/NR-0052.pdf there must be a >replacement kit for the broken stud. >Does anyone have used those kits? and are they still available ? I tried to >repair the part with glue but the glue i used doesn't do the job. > >Regards Norman > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 13 15:11:56 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:11:56 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Message-ID: <14389008.1205417516648.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Thu Mar 13 17:07:15 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:07:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A question about demag units Message-ID: <8CA533B703FEAE0-6CC-3AC2@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com> Hi Soumi I'm not going to comment on whether a more powerful demagnetiser is good, bad, or indifferent - I'm just going to address your original question of what you would need to do to make your demagnetiser more powerful. It would actually require a decrease in the number of turns to produce a stronger field. This is because to get stronger flux density or total flux, you need greater Volts/turn. The formula is the same one that calculates the magnetising flux in a transformer core, namely? B=E/A/N/w? or? PHI=E/N/w where B is flux density E is applied voltage A is core area w is angular frequency (2 *PI*FREQ) PHI is total flux and PHI=B*A If you use the amplitude of the applied voltage (156V for a 110V supply), you get peak flux density or peak total flux. If you were to get inside your Nakamichi demagnetiser and remove some turns, you would surely get a stronger field - but you'd also get an increase in current, and more heating in the coil - so you would want to approach this very carefully - or not at all. The other way of effectively decreasing the number of turns would be to wind a second coil around the core and connect it in parallel with the existing winding, and in phase with the existing winding - if the second coil had the same number of turns as the first, you would double your flux density. In effect, you would have halved the number of turns by having the two coils in parallel. While adding a second winding would probably work, there may not be enough space in the case to do it - and anyway, you'd be winding a coil to operate at mains voltage. I would urge you not to, Soumi - you might just create a really unsafe demagnetiser and hurt yourself or someone else. If you want more flux density, my advice would be buy it ready made. Regards John Gipps Message: 12 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:25:52 +0530 From: Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units To: Message-ID: <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0 at mypcrekbacm4qm> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi everybody I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling would be needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current wire or thinner ? Would love to have inputs from all of you. Regards Soumi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Thu Mar 13 17:30:42 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A question about demag units - I forgot to define N In-Reply-To: <8CA533B703FEAE0-6CC-3AC2@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA533B703FEAE0-6CC-3AC2@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA533EB74634B3-6CC-3C61@FWM-D33.sysops.aol.com> Hi Soumi I'm not going to comment on whether a more powerful demagnetiser is good, bad, or indifferent - I'm just going to address your original question of what you would need to do to make your demagnetiser more powerful. It would actually require a decrease in the number of turns to produce a stronger field. This is because to get stronger flux density or total flux, you need greater Volts/turn. The formula is the same one that calculates the magnetising flux in a transformer core, namely? B=E/A/N/w? or? PHI=E/N/w where B is flux density E is applied voltage A is core area N is number of turns w is angular frequency (2 *PI*FREQ) PHI is total flux and PHI=B*A If you use the amplitude of the applied voltage (156V for a 110V supply), you get peak flux density or peak total flux. If you were to get inside your Nakamichi demagnetiser and remove some turns, you would surely get a stronger field - but you'd also get an increase in current, and more heating in the coil - so you would want to approach this very carefully - or not at all. The other way of effectively decreasing the number of turns would be to wind a second coil around the core and connect it in parallel with the existing winding, and in phase with the existing winding - if the second coil had the same number of turns as the first, you would double your flux density. In effect, you would have halved the number of turns by having the two coils in parallel. While adding a second winding would probably work, there may not be enough space in the case to do it - and anyway, you'd be winding a coil to operate at mains voltage. I would urge you not to, Soumi - you might just create a really unsafe demagnetiser and hurt yourself or someone else. If you want more flux density, my advice would be buy it ready made. Regards John Gipps Message: 12 Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:25:52 +0530 From: Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units To: Message-ID: <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0 at mypcrekbacm4qm> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi everybody I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling would be needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current wire or thinner ? Would love to have inputs from all of you. Regards Soumi Supercharge your AIM. 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URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 17:38:23 2008 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:38:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Bit of Nakamichi Gauge Confusion In-Reply-To: <031120081155.28426.47D6731B000B66B600006F0A22155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <031120081155.28426.47D6731B000B66B600006F0A22155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6bddc1110803130938p77ae8b75oae53b470f78bb430@mail.gmail.com> According to my records, the DA9042 was the EH Stroke Check gauge for the following (not a complete list): 680XZ 582 581 481 (only for serials A30601001 to A30604798) 480 (only for serials A304.501001 to A304.516073) The DA9047 was the Stroke Check gauge for the following (also not complete): 481 581 582 1000ZXL 680ZXL Dragon LX5 RX-505 ZX9 The 9090 was the Stroke Check gauge prescribed for the BX-300 and Cassette Deck 1, so there are likely some subtle differences of specification between the 9090 and the 9047, but they would of course look alike being the same class of gauge. -Tim On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:55 AM, wrote: > > Hello, All: > > I sent this e-mail to a few Naktalk members but never got a reply, so I'll > put it out to everyone: > > There are two Nakamichi gauges currently on eBay right now: > > DA9042 - E.H. Stroke Check Gauge (eBay # 320225056361) > > DA9047 - Stroke Check Gauge (incorrectly listed as a Tilt Check Gauge - > eBay # 320225482656) > > I don't know if I need to bid on either one of these, because they look > identical to gauges that I already own. > > The 9047 Stroke Check Gauge looks identical to my 9090 Stroke Check Gauge. > > Even more strange, the 9042 E.H. Stroke Check Gauge looks identical to my > 9091 GUIDE HEIGHT Gauge. (Why are there two different names?) > > ARE THESE GAUGES IN FACT IDENTICAL? If they are identical, why are the > gauge numbers different? > > If so, there is no need for me to bid on them. If someone can tell me > what might be different about the gauges on eBay, or what Nak model(s) the > gauges are used for, I might consider bidding. But it doesn't look like I > need either one of these gauges for my collection. > > PLEASE ADVISE....THANKS! > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Thu Mar 13 17:44:01 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:44:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon In-Reply-To: <14389008.1205417516648.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom, Yes. There is a faint rhythmic clicking sound in both record and playback. I checked with different tapes and the clicking sound does not go away. I think I need to return this deck to the shop here in NYC where I bought it from. Bummer. I wonder if it has anything to do with the automatic azimuth mechanism. The deck does not sound bad as it is with tapes that I have. But not pristine as I remember Naks to be. Your method of setting both level and bias to 12 o'clock did not work with my deck. I can't bring up the bias to match the level. But again, after trying the process for like 20 minutes, it happens that the bias comes back and I can use the trimmer to bias again. Weird. And the normal and metal bias trimmers work as it should... Regards, Gene -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brucker [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:12 AM To: Gene Ess; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Gene Ess Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Do you hear a continuous clicking while recording using that tape? If so it may have severe skew problems. If you set the deck in record after calibration, and go through calibration again, is the 15kHz low? If so, check for sticking guides. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ess Sent: Mar 12, 2008 9:24 PM To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Gene Ess Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon  Hi Tom, Thank you for your response. I'll try your method and see. I know I can do a pretty good job by ear as I am a musician and also have mixed and mastered jazz CDs. It finally biased with a TDK SA tape after restarting the whole level/bias process over and over like 30 times. The strange thing is the next time I try to bias, I have to go through this whole ordeal again. Spend 30 minutes doing something that should take couple of minutes. Not sure why the normal and metal settings are fine. Just the chrome... It looks like it does not record the 15kHz tone most of the time and on some lucky occasion, it does and the bias works. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:06 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Gene, Your Dragon is fine. It is in "overbias" condition. To get back on track, set level to 12 o'clock and bias to the same. You will do this by feel since the knobs have no mark. Record the level (400Hz) and note the meter reding, then switch to bias. If the meters read higher levels, turn the bias knobs CCW and then go back and forth with level set. If the meters read lower, turn the bias CW to 1 o'clock and run the test again. What we are looking for is a bias level that gives us the same meter levels on both level and bias tests, and then we set the level. If not, set bias at 2 o'clock.... An alternate approach is to record music. Set the level to 12 o'clock, bias all the way CCW. Press record and slowly rotate the bias setting CW 1 "hour" for each 10 counts on the tape counter. Rewind the tape and play. When the frequency response seems flat, note the counter reading and set the bias controls at that "hour". Now use the level and bias calibrations to complete the setup. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ess Sent: Mar 11, 2008 5:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Hi, Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. Best regards, Gene Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 13 19:44:08 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:44:08 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Message-ID: <24942988.1205433848350.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Thu Mar 13 20:34:11 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:34:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon In-Reply-To: <24942988.1205433848350.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Tom, I'll have the shop look at the NACC. The faint clicks happen on all tapes. I tried TDK D60, Sony Metal, and Maxell UDXL II and TDK SA for chrome. The bias problem only happens on the SX setting, though. Do you know of a good Nak repair shop in the U.S., preferably near NYC? Is the ESL in Connecticut good? Thanks, Gene -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brucker [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:44 PM To: Gene Ess; Gene Ess; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Gene, The clicking is the NAAC azimuth system, and until that problem is corrected, you will have problems...however if the EX and ZX tapes do not click, then you can blame the tape you are using for SX! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ess Sent: Mar 13, 2008 10:44 AM To: Tom Brucker , Gene Ess , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon  Hi Tom, Yes. There is a faint rhythmic clicking sound in both record and playback. I checked with different tapes and the clicking sound does not go away. I think I need to return this deck to the shop here in NYC where I bought it from. Bummer. I wonder if it has anything to do with the automatic azimuth mechanism. The deck does not sound bad as it is with tapes that I have. But not pristine as I remember Naks to be. Your method of setting both level and bias to 12 o'clock did not work with my deck. I can't bring up the bias to match the level. But again, after trying the process for like 20 minutes, it happens that the bias comes back and I can use the trimmer to bias again. Weird. And the normal and metal bias trimmers work as it should... Regards, Gene -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brucker [mailto:hitech77 at earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:12 AM To: Gene Ess; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Gene Ess Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Do you hear a continuous clicking while recording using that tape? If so it may have severe skew problems. If you set the deck in record after calibration, and go through calibration again, is the 15kHz low? If so, check for sticking guides. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ess Sent: Mar 12, 2008 9:24 PM To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Cc: Gene Ess Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon  Hi Tom, Thank you for your response. I'll try your method and see. I know I can do a pretty good job by ear as I am a musician and also have mixed and mastered jazz CDs. It finally biased with a TDK SA tape after restarting the whole level/bias process over and over like 30 times. The strange thing is the next time I try to bias, I have to go through this whole ordeal again. Spend 30 minutes doing something that should take couple of minutes. Not sure why the normal and metal settings are fine. Just the chrome... It looks like it does not record the 15kHz tone most of the time and on some lucky occasion, it does and the bias works. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:06 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Gene, Your Dragon is fine. It is in "overbias" condition. To get back on track, set level to 12 o'clock and bias to the same. You will do this by feel since the knobs have no mark. Record the level (400Hz) and note the meter reding, then switch to bias. If the meters read higher levels, turn the bias knobs CCW and then go back and forth with level set. If the meters read lower, turn the bias CW to 1 o'clock and run the test again. What we are looking for is a bias level that gives us the same meter levels on both level and bias tests, and then we set the level. If not, set bias at 2 o'clock.... An alternate approach is to record music. Set the level to 12 o'clock, bias all the way CCW. Press record and slowly rotate the bias setting CW 1 "hour" for each 10 counts on the tape counter. Rewind the tape and play. When the frequency response seems flat, note the counter reading and set the bias controls at that "hour". Now use the level and bias calibrations to complete the setup. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ess Sent: Mar 11, 2008 5:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Hi, Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. Best regards, Gene Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Thu Mar 13 22:22:08 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:22:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units Message-ID: Hi Kermit, I think you are RIGHT! and great to hear from you again! you are a GENIUS! With Best Regards! Ali. PS Ron go easy on Kermit he really knows what he is talking about! you cant argue with a great mind! In a message dated 3/13/2008 5:08:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: Sorry, Ron, but you're just wrong. Yes, Ron, I did take Magnetic Theory and I've designed numerous excellent electromagnets and loudspeaker motors over the past 34 years. Thanks for the petty insult, though, I hope it made you feel good about yourself. Are you capable of articulating your arguments without ad hominems? Your argument assumes, incorrectly, that no one can reduce the field by hand and shows several misconception about the effect of AC fields used to demagnetize ferrous metals. I contacted R. B Annis company today to clarify the issues of magnetic field strength. They stated there is no such thing as "too strong a magnetic field" and gave me the following info about using AC fields to demagnetize steel. "One demagnetizing method is to expose the steel to a magnetic field of cyclically reversing polarity, which must have an initial intensity higher than the fraction method in the above described laboratory procedure. This cyclically reversing field is then reduced in intensity so that each succeeding half-cycle, of opposite polarity, is slightly less than that proceeding halfcycle, "but more than the critical minimum 'fraction' as dictated by the type of steel involved." "The intensity of such a cyclical alternating demagnetizing field can be reduced to near zero by means of a rheostat or a variable transformer, or much more simply by progressively separating the steel and the source of alternating demagnetizing field to such a distance that the field induced in the steel is essentially zero. This is not difficult, nor is the separation distance involved too great because such induced magnetism very nearly follows the inverse square law, where doubling the distance apart will reduce induction to one quarter the initial amount and doubling again, to one sixteenth, etc." "One of the most important points to remember in cyclical demagnetizing is that actual demagnetizing is accomplished only during the incremental reduction of successive half-cycles of the demagnetizing field, or only during that time when the work and the demagnetizer are being separated. Leaving steel to “cook” in an alternating demagnetizing field is of little value unless one might consider the secondary effect of heat being generated in the work due to losses from induced eddy currents." Since you've decided to add your petty little insult I'll tell you flatly that I'll take the word of the R. B. Annis company, who are world authorities in demagnetizers and magnetometers since 1907, over your lame attempts to obfuscate what is actually a fairly straightforward and accepted issue that is never debated among top audio professionals. The only time you ever see discussions like this is among those who do not know about demagnetization (which is okay) and individuals likes you who enjoy fanning debates merely to have an ongoing debate. I have a business to run, so with apologies to the group, I'll not waste any further time with your nonsense. I'm really out of patience for it. On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:44 PM, Ron wrote: > Kermit Gray wrote: >> On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: >>> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >>>> Hi everybody >>>> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >>>> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >>>> Theoretically this is possible ... just wondering how much >>>> coiling would be needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as >>>> the current wire or thinner ? >>>> Would love to have inputs from all of you. >>>> Regards >>>> Soumi >>> >>> Why would you want to increase the magnetic field >>> strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize >>> the head, achieving the opposite result of what >>> you want. >> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the >> magnetic field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better >> demagnetizer! D'Oh! > > Not really. Once the magnetic field is enough > to penetrate the head, any addition is bad. > That's because demagnetization relies on > reducing the field *smoothly and slowly*. Any > abrupt motion actually magnetizes the head. > When the demagnetizer is too strong, this is > more apt to happen. > >> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic >> field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. > > Not so. A magnetic field magnetizes. It is the > slow and absolutely even decay of the field that > demagnetizes. Since the Annis is too powerful it > is not better, except in your imagination. > >> He'd only magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the >> demagnetizer. > > Bull! Even a small shake of the hand will cause > magnetization; and, the stronger the field, the > the more apt this is to happen. > > How well did you do in Fields 101? Did you even > take it at all? > > -- Ron > > >>> >> -- Kermit Gray >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >> Skype ID: triodelicacy > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************It's Tax Time! 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URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Mar 14 19:12:45 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:12:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82DF4113-3649-429A-AC5C-AE5221EDDA46@kvglabs.com> I's both. The AC magnetic field of a demagnetizer vibrates ferrous metals in the deck (as well as itself), the more powerful the field the greater the vibration, that's all I'm saying. So what? On Mar 13, 2008, at 5:00 PM, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/13/2008 2:08:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com > writes: >> In one of your ealier posts you comment - >> "When I use a Nakamichi DR-10 demagnetizer, you hear a little >> vibration >> created by the magnetic field. But use an Annis Han D Mag and the >> tape >> deck hums loudly -- audible testimony of the Annis's power!" >> >> In my book, that qualifies as using a demagnetizer incorrectly. >> (JW's reply) >> > > Actually the demagnetizer itself hums, so I fail to see the validity > of your statement. > > > > So you're changing your story, it's the demagger that hums, not the > deck? > Jeff W > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Mar 14 19:24:59 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:24:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <75034d4d0803130529w334c2705s12e2809b721284cd@mail.gmail.com> References: <75034d4d0803130529w334c2705s12e2809b721284cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Joao! Great information! One thing this highlights that demagnetization, like anything, can be done incorrectly. Nevertheless, demagnetizing a deck is something that is actually much easier to do correctly than it may seem to some. On Mar 13, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Joao Carlos Aparicio Fernandes wrote: > Hi everybody, > This is my first posting to this list, and I apologize for any > procedural error > I may be committing. > > A few details in magnetization: > - Ferromagnetic materials (Fe and its alloys with Ni, Co, W,...) > present a > reduced reluctance : the resulting magnetic flux for a certain > magnetic field in > a magnetic circuit is greater if part of the magnetic circuit (by > default air or > vacuum) is replaced by this type of materials. > - The relationship between Magnetic Field (H) and Magnetic Induction > (B) is also > known as the magnetization curve of the material. > - Increasing the Magnetic Field (the coil current embracing the > magnetic > circuit) produces an increase of the magnetic induction (and the > corresponding > magnetic flux) and these values are much larger if the magnetic > circuit is > mainly arranged with those special materials. This is used in > electrical > machines (motors, transformers, generators) > - Once obtained a certain magnetization status, removing the > magnetic field > (zeroing the electrical current in the coil) the induction value > does not return > to zero; it remains a small value of B (the residual induction) and > its value > depends how far the magnetization procedure has been carried. This > magnetization > state is what the demagnetization procedure aims to null. > - To compensate this an inverse (negative) current in the coil is > needed and if > applied the neutral magnetic state is recovered and zeroing the > current does not > change this state. > - But an insufficient current value (or a larger one) still leaves > residual > magnetism. > - An alternating current produces a repeating cycle that, if its > amplitude > decreases to zero, can null the magnetic state, in time and after a > few cycles; > - Magnetic recording uses magnetic circuits with a gap (the > recording heads) > that can 'print' the residual induction in the moving magnetic tape > that remain > magnetized in the absence of the recording magnetic field. > - Moving the magnetized tape over a magnetic circuit with a gap (the > recording > heads) the residual induction on the tape can 'induce' a voltage in > the playing > head coils (minimal currents here) and the initial information is > recovered > without significant destruction of the the tape states. > - However, if the heads (and other ferromagnetic parts close) have > residual > induction left, the resulting continuous magnetic flux tends to > average the tape > magnetic states, resulting in a degraded (attenuated) magnetic state > variations > (this is usually the mission for the erasing heads). > > - Using the demagnetizing tool - an external magnetic circuit with an > alternating magnetic field produced by an alternating current with > a fixed RMS > value - its alternating magnetic field influence on the magnetized > parts can be > decreased by (slowly) increasing the distance (introducing a larger > air gap and > so increasing the reluctance of the associated magnetic circuit). > > - A more powerful demagnetizing tool simply means that the initial > distances > can be larger for the same effect. But this can translate into an > undesired > demagnetizing effect on magnetic circuits that are not to be > disturbed and also > magnetization of parts if improperly handled by an 'untrained' - > non-pro or > stressed amateurish - 'technician'... > > I hope this can clarify some wrong or incomplete assumptions. > > Best regards -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From rayr0683 at comcast.net Fri Mar 14 14:31:15 2008 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:31:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: A Question about Demag Units Message-ID: <031420081331.17967.47DA7E2100099BF60000462F2215553894CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> Since I was a kid I became obsessed with Tape Deck maintenance. Especially in the area of Demagnetization. And as years went by, I studied this subject. The thing I cannot believe about the quibbles in this forum, are that while people get so concerned about what tape to use, an bia points, and subtle differences in sound from deck to deck or tape to tape, the idea of scrimping when it comes to tape deck maintenance, cleaning, etc... is where some people cut corners. I knew what Kermit meant by the HUM......and when responding in a brief post as these, things can be taken out of context. He isnt changing a story....the HUM...is actually an experience....and if you dont have an ANNIS HAN-D-MAG....you wouldn't know what Kermit is speaking about.....I do. In many studies in Demag units it has been found that nearly all consumer Demag units can barely remove the Magnetization that occurs on the Hardened Steel of the Tape Guides....only the ANNIS can fully and easily remove this. The heads are not as hard as the guides. But, the Guides must also be Demagnetized, the entire Tape Path. Which is why an ANNIS is needed. To attack a guy the way Kermit was attacked is ridiculous. Also, whether someone has designed a Tape Deck or not, has nothing to do with what he knows about Demagnetizers, and the concept behind them. He did as I did, and contacted the experts in the Field, ANNIS themselves. For anyone to scrimp, and buy the so called Nak look alike Demags on ebay, your cheating yourself. Any owner of a truely good deck, cassette or R2R deserves to maintain it with an ANNIS. I have several units, all of which are better than the Nak Demagger, and they dont compare to the ANNIS, not even close. There is a guy with a website Dedicated to AKAI Decks....and he also designs Amplifiers, and is a so called Vintage Equipment Designer....so if those credentials mean anything at all.....He also will argue the point that Demagnetization is an absolute waste of time, and does absolutely nothing to a tape decks performance. He claims it is not at all required. I got into it with him, as he goes completely againts the rules of Tape Path Maintenance. But point is, he redesigns decks, and makes amplifiers, and is a Repair Facility, specializing in all makes of Excellent Tape Decks, but namely AKAI, and he doesnt believe in Demagging. So, that part about someone not desigining a deck, is meaningless in the argument. When using an ANNIS HAN-D-MAG, it comes as a whole kit if you wish, explaining the whole concept behind the procedure, and its purpose. You get a Magnetometer, and also Test Strips, for experimental purposes, just to show the concept, along with the Demag unit. And it is the only unit capable of fully demagging Tape Guides, in the Tape path. This is not 1 inch R2R Decks, but al consumer, and Prosumer decks. The feeling is a vibration, sort of thing between the Demag unit, and the deck....and you will feel that difference with an ANNIS over any other Demag unit. Its really not an area to scrimp on dollars for, it will last a lifetime, and give you peace of mind that you have the optimal results. In the Large Repair Facility that I worked in as a Bench Tech, H&R Radio, they used only the best Equipment, and each bench had an ANNIS.....thats why they were the 3rd largest Repair facility in the USA. I wont get caught up in crazy stuff like this either, but I feel b ad for the people who have no clue about this procedure, and someone like Kermit who tries to help, gets stoned for doing so. He is absolutely right, and I have known what he is speaking of for many years, so has ANNIS....and many Repair Centers, and Audiophiles. 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RE: A Question about Demag units (Graham A Nelson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:14:08 +1100 > From: "Martin & Karen Short" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <00e101c8843a$92c36e30$0100000a at martinsvdix8fy> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > That is a classic ..wonderous BS.. and ..a must buy... > You see this so often these people must truely believe what they write.. > such is the legend of Nakamichi > > Looks like a case of slightly sticking pinch rollers or worn mode control > belt, so you have to wonder how good the service was!! > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:33:40 -0400 > From: Tim Barrett > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <47D7B184.2060903 at cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Actually, it sounds like his capstan belt is wearing out and the tape > path is unstable for the first few seconds of play. He may be hearing > the tape path wander and then stabilize in the correct place. > > Tim > > John Nelson wrote: > > I just ran across this ad on ebay for a wonderful new feature enhanced > > 680zx...Item number: 180222609683 > > Where did this guy get this from.... > > > > For sale is a member of my prized collection of stereo equipment, the > > Nakamichi 680ZX. I was told that Nakamichi produced the Nakamichi > > 680ZX before the Nakamichi Dragon was released. If you listen closely > > for 1 to 3 seconds after the playback of a new pre-recorded cassette > > is initiated in this unit, you will hear the sound brighten, > > developing a rich fullness. This is the unit's self-adjusting > > (Auto-Azimuth Adjustment) for maximal response on each cassette tape. > > This unit does its Auto Azimuth Adjustment transparently without the > > indicator lights hosted by the Nakamichi Dragon. > > > > This unit was purchased in 1980 shortly after my graduation from > > Graceland University. It has been stored in a cabinet with the rest > > of my stereo equipment in a smoke-free, climate controlled home. > > During its last ten years, a surge and spike protector protected it. > > I am selling this unit because I do not listen to or record cassette > > tapes as much as I once did. This unit was recently serviced by Audio > > Mart Service Center in Kansas City, MO. They have serviced all of my > > high end stereo equipment since 1982. They professionally cleaned the > > unit and checked all functions and switches. As any Stereo fanatic > > would expect, it passed with flying colors. As one would imagine, I > > have moved several times the owner's manual and original box have been > > lost. For the Nakamichi's journey to your home, I will carefully > > package it. This unit is for sell only to good home, I want it well > > cared for, if you have any doubts about this unit, do not bid on it. > > A collector's item if this value is not expected to go homeless. > > > > For this day of selling this prized possession, I did some internet > > research on this unit. I noticed that a search indicated that > > downloads of the owner's manual are available for a nominal price. I > > also found the specs and writings by other admirers of the Nakamichi > > 680ZX. > > > > Nakamichi perfected the art of making the world's finest cassette deck > > with the 680ZX. This Nakamichi is the known as the finest > > non-reversing cassette deck with three heads, metal tape support, a > > half speed mode and a fifty segment meter. The Nakamichi has a full > > 20-20,000 frequency response on good quality tape with manual bias > > adjustments. adjustments). It only supports Dolby B noise reduction. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/bb366c08/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:46:45 -0400 > From: modernizy at netscape.net > Subject: [naktalk] Auxiliary device for T-100 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8CA524DE1E50840-368-36ED at FWM-D42.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi, > > Another strange device associated with T-100 at German E-bay: > http://cgi.ebay.de/Geraet-device-for-Nakamichi-T-100-Audio-Analyzer-T-100_W0QQit > emZ330218517375QQihZ014QQcategoryZ27795QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#eba > yphotohosting > > Any clues or wild guesses? What is it? > > Thank you in advance for any information. > > Nick. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/82fd43a1/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:59:37 -0400 > From: Doug Guth > Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Bit of Nakamichi Gauge Confusion > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: "hwbosshoss at comcast.net" > Message-ID: > <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD4232D1CB5B2 at mail.mmsav.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Andy, > I apologize for my delayed response. We've had a lot of "stuff" happening > lately and it's been crazy. I have looked through some of my old service > center requirements and Nakamichi did list the 9047 Stroke Gauge as a required > gauge for Authorized Service Centers in 1991. They told me that I did not need > to purchase that particular gauge since we only serviced the newer decks that we > sold and could send the classics back to Nak. Let me look in my old price list > when I get home and see what it says. You may want to contact Luis at > http://peromarta.org/naks/ since he has a "gauge project" underway. He appears > to have put quite a bit of effort into making calibration tapes and may be the > guru. Again I'll look at my old parts price list from the '90s and see if it > has a description of the gauges. > > Thanks, > Doug Guth, CTS > Field Service Engineer > Multi Media Services > 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. > Greenville, SC 29607 > (864) 297-8533 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net [mailto:hwbosshoss at comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:55 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] A Bit of Nakamichi Gauge Confusion > > > Hello, All: > > I sent this e-mail to a few Naktalk members but never got a reply, so I'll put > it out to everyone: > > There are two Nakamichi gauges currently on eBay right now: > > DA9042 - E.H. Stroke Check Gauge (eBay # 320225056361) > > DA9047 - Stroke Check Gauge (incorrectly listed as a Tilt Check Gauge - eBay # > 320225482656) > > I don't know if I need to bid on either one of these, because they look > identical to gauges that I already own. > > The 9047 Stroke Check Gauge looks identical to my 9090 Stroke Check Gauge. > > Even more strange, the 9042 E.H. Stroke Check Gauge looks identical to my 9091 > GUIDE HEIGHT Gauge. (Why are there two different names?) > > ARE THESE GAUGES IN FACT IDENTICAL? If they are identical, why are the gauge > numbers different? > > If so, there is no need for me to bid on them. If someone can tell me what > might be different about the gauges on eBay, or what Nak model(s) the gauges are > used for, I might consider bidding. But it doesn't look like I need either one > of these gauges for my collection. > > PLEASE ADVISE....THANKS! > > > *andy* > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:46:42 -0400 > From: "Gene Ess" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Alex, > > Thanks for your advice. I tried your suggestion and it still is no good. > The Normal and Metal works fine. The Chrome setting, the bias meter reads > really low. The meter reads very low even with the bias turned all the way > clockwise. The strange thing is after trying many times, it will finally > work and I can bias properly but then the next time, the same story. The > meter measures wrong all the way down on the meter. > > I am new to this deck but I am not new to electronics. Can this be a > trimmer problem on the Chrome/bias? Or maybe some intermittent switch with > the EQ 120/70 setting? It works like 1 out of 20 tries so I have to get > this fixed. > > Thanks for your time and knowledge. > > Gene > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:24 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > Hello Gene, > > As also own the same deck.... first try to move forth & back all such > potentiometers EX/SX & ZX...both level & bias for at least one minute each > one from looking to a clock 07.00 > 17.00 (Trust that you will comprehend > what I mean!?), as IF such just "Picked' Dragon deck was NOT used for long > time...this "Free Of Charge" maintenance will help in most case. As you > wrote the Bias oscillator is working...so from my ample knowledge...what I > write you will 90% help. > > Inform to all of us the results...BTW...also clean extremely well all the > heads, pinch rollers/capstans & DEGAUSS all very carefully (Deck OFF mains > plug OFF from the wall...as you are a novice in this matter...my best & > secure advise!). > > Good luck, > > Truly, > > Alex! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:09 -0400 > Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > > Hi, > > Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz > bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put > the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to > bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. > > It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA > and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome > setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be > wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? > > Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > Gene > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail�-get > your "fix". Check it out. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/f06ff7c1/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:03:43 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Response to message 11 Tri mic recording > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , > naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <8805101.1205330623394.JavaMail.root at elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > The use of cardoids comes with the concept of "aiming" microphones. I > exeprienced an epiphany when I used Beyer omnis to record a pit orchestra, and > heard everything in perfect balance! When using omnis in real space you have to > choose the correct distance from the sound source to balance direct sound, the > mixture and balance of sources, and the room sound. This usually means closer > and higher mic postions. > Nakamichi mic systems (CM700, CM1000) came with both omni and cardoid > capsules. The cardoids were better sounding, due to a smoother pattern of rear > frequency rejection (no lobes), so they were easier to use, or misbehaved less > perhaps. Even the Nak shotgun capsule could sound musical. It was a Greatful > Dead "Taper's" standard in a 2 mic setup. > What fun it would be to have NakTalk copies of Dead concerts done with a 550 > and CM700s! I'll have to talk to "dancin' Dan" about it. > > tom brucker > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: B Morahan > >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 10:41 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Response to message 11 Tri mic recording > > > >Your essay is great but I don't follow one thing. You state that the > >Nakamichi system improves on the the Bell Labs method by substituting > >three cardioid mikes for three omni mikes. The Nakamichi Live > >Recording System Manual states, "In general, however, unless their is > >good reason to use cardioid microphones, omni-directional microphones > >are preferred as they will yield superior results." My experience is > >that the omni mikes "hear" more. I only use cardioid mikes if the > >audience is too loud. > >Also: > >I wanted the recording to sound as experienced by the audience but if > >I used the setup you described some instruments didn't sound full, > >notably the piano I put my mikes on the stage and put one near the > >piano. I guess this may be wrong, it certainly isn't as described in > >the Nakamichi Live Recording Manual, but it worked for me. If I make a > >live recording now I use a DAT deck and because there is more dynamic > >range than my Nak decks, the placement of the mikes is more flexible. > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:16:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , Talk about > Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > > <12394928.1205331417733.JavaMail.root at elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the "Snake". This groundbreaking and > expensive deck featured "euro-styling" and 100 hour (really long) recording time > on a single cassette. To achieve this amazing feat, the deck removed and > discarded the cassette shell entirely, loaded the magnetic tape into its yellow > tubular body, and traversed its length with the new "Crystarolypoly" head. > Multiple tapes could be stored within the tube, making the Nakamichi Snake the > most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included were Dolby SSSSS, and > polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and remain largely hidden in the > grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Roland > >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 PM > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? > > > >Andy, > > > >I believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from > >places like Microswitch,Omron, etc,... > > > > > > > >At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote: > > > >>This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL! > >> > >>Maybe it was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over > >>a long distance for maximum sound coverage! > >> > >> > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ > 150224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >> > >> > >> > >>*andy* > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:21:44 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Response to message 11 Tri mic recording > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , B Morahan > > Cc: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <2880995.1205331704907.JavaMail.root at elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Kermit, > I hadn't thought of the transient response issue, but your point makes total > sense. Cardoids phase shift at selected frequency bands, and phase shift > destroys transient integrity. I value dynamics over any other recorded sound > attribute, and have always preferred omnis! Thank you. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Kermit Gray > >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 11:16 PM > >To: B Morahan > >Cc: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Response to message 11 Tri mic recording > > > >Ah! Good points, perhaps the word "improved" was unwise on my part, as > >is the word "superior" used by Nakamichi. We have an issue of > >historical context here. > > > >One of my recording teachers was an assistant to E. C. Wente, one of > >the engineers who developed the Bell Labs system. They had phasing > >problems with the omni mikes they used, but in 1928 a directional > >condensor mike sounded awful, so they stayed with omnis and tried to > >minimize the phasing problems. Another thing they discovered was that > >a directional mike minimized room sound, desirable is some but not all > >circumstances, and also allowed closer spacing of the mikes, also > >desirable with some subjects, such as small combos. But, again, no > >directional mike available in 1928 was satisfactory. > > > >Both positions are conditionally correct. Omni mikes have superior > >transient response compared to directional mikes, even today, as shown > >by the amazing omnis made by Earthworks, Schoeps, and DPA. In the > >1970s when Nakamichi created their system, omnis had flatter frequency > >response, and most small-diaphragm cardioid condensors were noisier, > >had worse THD, and tended to beam high frequencies. Today, it is > >possible to make ruler-flat directional condensor mikes that are dead > >quiet and with just a good THD specs as omnis, such as those made by > >DPA and Josephson. Many of the quality issues that prompted Nakamichi > >to criticize cardioids are no longer an issue with many of today's > >mikes. > > > >Use omnis when you want the best possible transient response, in > >situations where mono compatibility is unneeded, or when the presence > >of room acoustics and audience noise in the recording is desired or is > >not unwanted. Placing omnis close in to small subjects, such as jazz > >combos or string quartets, is problematic but not impossible. There is > >a tendency for the stereo image to be exaggerated. > > > >Use high quality cardioids when you must minimize room acoustics, > >reduce audience noise, need some (but not perfect) mono compatibility, > >and are dealing with smaller subjects and have little time to > >experiment with optimum mike placement. Cardioids will give some > >freedom to make errors in placement yet still have vivid imaging. > >Cardioids also let you create a spatial image that has a better- > >focused center with most subjects. A cardioid will boost bass somewhat > >and can reduce the effect of low frequency resonance canceling put the > >amount of bass recorded in rooms with poor acoustics. > > > >If the room acoustics are good, omnis will create a better sense of > >solidity with bass sounds but a slightly fuzzy center image. Cardioids > >will tighten up the imaging, but the bass, ironically, loses impact in > >good acoustics. Conversely, with poor room acoustics omnis will > >usually give muddy and indistinct bass, and cardioids will give better > >defined bass. > > > >A good compromise is to use omnis for the left and right mikes and a > >cardioid for the center. > > > >Professionally, in the 1970s, I seldom ever had time to find optimum > >placement, so I used high quality cardioid dynamic mikes almost > >exclusively. This choice avoided the quality issues of cardioid > >condensor mikes yet gave me the freedom of placement and the ability > >to reduce venue noise. It also improved reliability because I didn't > >have to hassle with power supplies or batteries. Today I customarily > >use the same setup simply because I'm so used to it I don't have to > >waste time. > > > >I accomplished the best recordings of grand piano, string quartets or > >trios or harpsichord with three spaced Beyerdynamic M160 ribbon mikes. > > > >I had a few situations where the instruments didn't sound full with > >the three mikes placed as shown in the Nakamichi system. This shows a > >situation where that system is inadequate, so alternate mike placement > >must be found, as you experienced. > > > > > >On Mar 11, 2008, at 11:41 PM, B Morahan wrote: > > > >> Your essay is great but I don't follow one thing. You state that the > >> Nakamichi system improves on the the Bell Labs method by > >> substituting three cardioid mikes for three omni mikes. The > >> Nakamichi Live Recording System Manual states, "In general, however, > >> unless their is good reason to use cardioid microphones, omni- > >> directional microphones are preferred as they will yield superior > >> results." My experience is that the omni mikes "hear" more. I only > >> use cardioid mikes if the audience is too loud. > >> Also: > >> I wanted the recording to sound as experienced by the audience but > >> if I used the setup you described some instruments didn't sound > >> full, notably the piano I put my mikes on the stage and put one near > >> the piano. I guess this may be wrong, it certainly isn't as > >> described in the Nakamichi Live Recording Manual, but it worked for > >> me. If I make a live recording now I use a DAT deck and because > >> there is more dynamic range than my Nak decks, the placement of the > >> mikes is more flexible. > > > >-- Kermit Gray > >notarbene at kvglabs.com > >KVG Laboratories > >Equipment to Make Your Music Better > >16371 Lake Point Drive > >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > >Telephone: 913-422-0957 > >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:32:52 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Auxiliary device for T-100 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , > naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <4668684.1205332372655.JavaMail.root at elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/d8e50ded/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:32:06 -0400 > From: johngipps at aol.com > Subject: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8CA525C997F9748-1730-12B3 at Webmail-mg19.sim.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi John > > Sounds to me as though the 680ZX in question has quite a common service related > condition that the owner has decided is a design feature. > > In any of the decks with the "classic" transport, if either of the roller > assemblies are slow to rotate into position, the tape runs initially off correct > track alignment, since only one roller and capstan pair are engaged - the deck > is running as a single capstan deck at this time. As soon as the second roller > assembly (that is gummed up with old lubricant) rotates begrudgingly into > position, the transport starts behaving like a dual capstan transport, and > correct track alignment is achieved. When this happens, the sound is dull at > first with wrong alignment, and then brightens up when correct alignment is > achieved. This behaviour is quite common. > > So I'm inclined to think that this 680ZX is simply in need of service. > . > Regards > > John Gipps > > > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:53:14 -0500 > From: "John Nelson" > Subject: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: <001701c883e3$d62df4d0$6400000a at John687DEA0AFB> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I just ran across this ad on ebay for a wonderful new feature enhanced > 680zx...Item number: 180222609683 > Where did this guy get this from.... > > For sale is a member of my prized collection of stereo equipment, the > Nakamichi 680ZX. I was told that Nakamichi produced the Nakamichi 680ZX > before the Nakamichi Dragon was released. If you listen closely for 1 to 3 > seconds after the playback of a new pre-recorded cassette is initiated in > this unit, you will hear the sound brighten, developing a rich fullness. > This is the unit's self-adjusting (Auto-Azimuth Adjustment) for maximal > response on each cassette tape. This unit does its Auto Azimuth Adjustment > transparently without the indicator lights hosted by the Nakamichi Dragon. > > This unit was purchased in 1980 shortly after my graduation from Graceland > University. It has been stored in a cabinet with the rest of my stereo > equipment in a smoke-free, climate controlled home. During its last ten > years, a surge and spike protector protected it. I am selling this unit > because I do not listen to or record cassette tapes as much as I once did. > This unit was recently serviced by Audio Mart Service Center in Kansas City, > MO. They have serviced all of my high end stereo equipment since 1982. > They professionally cleaned the unit and checked all functions and switches. > As any Stereo fanatic would expect, it passed with flying colors. As one > would imagine, I have moved several times the owner's manual and original > box have been lost. For the Nakamichi's journey to your home, I will > carefully package it. This unit is for sell only to good home, I want it > well cared for, if you have any doubts about this unit, do not bid on it. A > collector's item if this value is not expected to go homeless. > > For this day of selling this prized possession, I did some internet research > on this unit. I noticed that a search indicated that downloads of the owner's > manual are available for a nominal price. I also found the specs and > writings by other admirers of the Nakamichi 680ZX. > > Nakamichi perfected the art of making the world's finest cassette deck with > the 680ZX. This Nakamichi is the known as the finest non-reversing cassette > deck with three heads, metal tape support, a half speed mode and a fifty > segment meter. The Nakamichi has a full 20-20,000 frequency response on > good quality tape with manual bias adjustments. adjustments). It only > supports Dolby B noise reduction. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/c54942af/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:51:42 -0400 > From: johngipps at aol.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re : Auxilliary Device for T-100 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8CA525F569ED738-1730-140B at Webmail-mg19.sim.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Nick > > > > Could be lots of things, who knows, it says "filter" - maybe a subsonic filter - > but one thing I'm confident of - despite the Nakamichi logo on the front panel, > there's no way Nakamichi made the ugly looking thing. > > > > Regards > > > > John Gipps > > > > > Hi, > > > > Another strange device associated with T-100 at German E-bay: > > http://cgi.ebay.de/Geraet-device-for-Nakamichi-T-100-Audio-Analyzer-T-100_ > > W0QQitemZ330218517375QQihZ014QQcategoryZ27795QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ > > ViewItem#ebayphotohosting > > > > Any clues or wild guesses? What is it? > > > > Thank you in advance for any information. > > > > Nick. > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/362cc088/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:25:52 +0530 > From: > Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: > Message-ID: <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0 at mypcrekbacm4qm> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi everybody > I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about increasing > its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically this is possible > ... just wondering how much coiling would be needed ? Would it have to be > the same guage as the current wire or thinner ? > Would love to have inputs from all of you. > > Regards > Soumi > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:57:33 -0500 > From: Kermit Gray > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: soumitra at soumitrab.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <7FF94AE7-7499-4E1A-9F3E-2E4BB3EE13F1 at kvglabs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi Soumi, > > In essence, a demagnetizer is an electromagnet. > > Therefore, Magnetomotive force, designated F can be determined by the > formula > > F = (N * I)/0.796 > > Where N = number of turns of wire > I = current in Amperes > F = Magnetomotive force measured in Amperes per turn > > you then have to do forumlae to determine gap resistance, and the > fluxivity induced into the core as a function of the wire length as > well as the number of turns and the fluxivity emitted into an air gap > as a result. This isn't really something my math skill is up to > summarizing into an email. > > In short, it's not merely double the nubmer of turns and you double > the field strength. > > Given the hassle of adding turns onto an already made unit without > creating as many problems as you solve, if I were you I'd cheat and > buy an Annis Han D Mag. Then you have the strongest demagnetizer > currently made, and one you know does an excellent job. > > When I use a Nakamichi DR-10 demagnetizer, you hear a little vibration > created by the magnetic field. But use an Annis Han D Mag and the tape > deck hums loudly -- audible testimony of the Annis's power! > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 9:55 AM, > wrote: > > > Hi everybody > > I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about > > increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically > > this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling would be > > needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current wire or > > thinner ? > > Would love to have inputs from all of you. > > > > Regards > > Soumi > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:23:42 -0400 > From: "Grover Zinn (imap)" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? > To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <1CCEB94E-93F4-4187-BBDB-E0B0CF351137 at oberlin.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII > > Thanks for this explanation of the marvelous device! :-) > > I would think that the "30w male--50w female" power cord adapter > listed among the other items on the seller's page (need any orchids or > an Elivs 45?) is an equally revolutionary "add on" for the nakamichi > "Snake". Taking the 30w male as the "input" end to be plugged into > the "output" of the "Snake", the power amplification ( 30 to 50 watts, > not quite doubling) in such a short, small, and self-powered unit > would have to be one of the best kept secrets of the audio industry. > Wonder what else the grass has hidden in it? (perhaps the actual > picture of the nak purportedly being sold?) > > Grover Zinn > > Grover Zinn > William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) > former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences > Oberlin College > Oberlin, OH 44074 > 440-775-8866 (department) > grover.zinn at oberlin.edu > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > > > After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the "Snake". This > > groundbreaking and expensive deck featured "euro-styling" and 100 > > hour (really long) recording time on a single cassette. To achieve > > this amazing feat, the deck removed and discarded the cassette shell > > entirely, loaded the magnetic tape into its yellow tubular body, and > > traversed its length with the new "Crystarolypoly" head. Multiple > > tapes could be stored within the tube, making the Nakamichi Snake > > the most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included were > > Dolby SSSSS, and polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and > > remain largely hidden in the grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. > > > > tom brucker > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Roland > >> Sent: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 PM > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? > >> > >> Andy, > >> > >> I believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from > >> places like Microswitch,Omron, etc,... > >> > >> > >> > >> At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote: > >> > >>> This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL! > >>> > >>> Maybe it was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over > >>> a long distance for maximum sound coverage! > >>> > >>> > >>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ15 > 0224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *andy* > >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >> > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > > > > > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > 615-331-9241 > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:37:01 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: soumitra at soumitrab.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <47D830DD.2090407 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > > Hi everybody > > I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about > > increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically > > this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling would be needed ? > > Would it have to be the same guage as the current wire or thinner ? > > Would love to have inputs from all of you. > > > > Regards > > Soumi > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > the head, achieving the opposite result of what > you want. > > To answer your question: the whole new coil should > be roughly half the gauge and twice the inductance > (not twice the number of turns). > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:40:21 -0400 > From: Steve Ember > Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > Bravo, Tom! Sometimes in reading the posts, one gets the feeling Nakamichi > devotees are somewhat devoid of humor. Thanks for dispelling that notion! > Now...I'm just wondering...Should we start bombarding the seller with very > specific questions like ummm, can you post more pictures, like umm showing the > Play and Record buttons...how fast will it rewind a C-90?...like umm how many > mic inputs does it have? Does it come with any cassettes? > > Gotta hand it to ebay. There may be crooks lurking among the sellers...bozos > who blindly crib specs in listing their dusty decks...clueless ebay depots > selling mystery goods, and the like. But ya gotta love mostcreativemantis or > whatever her name is. Is that not the most "creative" illustration of the > venerable TriTracer you've ever seen? Whatcha suppose she's been smokin'? > > Steve Ember> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:16:57 -0600> From: > hitech77 at earthlink.net> To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: > [naktalk] A Yellow Nak?> > After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the "Snake". > This groundbreaking and expensive deck featured "euro-styling" and 100 hour > (really long) recording time on a single cassette. To achieve this amazing feat, > the deck removed and discarded the cassette shell entirely, loaded the magnetic > tape into its yellow tubular body, and traversed its length with the new > "Crystarolypoly" head. Multiple tapes could be stored within the tube, making > the Nakamichi Snake the most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included > were Dolby SSSSS, and polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and remain > largely hidden in the grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. > > tom brucker> > > -----Original Message-----> >From: Roland > >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 > 6:11 PM> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > ! > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak?> >> >Andy,> >> >I believe that is a > extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from > >places like > Microswitch,Omron, etc,...> >> >> >> >At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote:> >> > >>This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL!> >>> >>Maybe it > was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over > >>a long distance > for maximum sound coverage!> >>> >>> > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ > 150224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >>> > >>> >>> >>*andy*> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >>Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========>! > >> >========-------------------------------------------------! > -------- > =========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > > Hi Tech Service> 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211> > hitech77 at earthlink.net> hitech at bellsouth.net> 615-331-9241> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/7ef522e4/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:56:35 +0100 > From: Andr? Deurloo > Subject: [naktalk] Re: A lazy BX-150 > To: hitech77 at earthlink.net, naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <47D82763.2020208 at xs4all.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Tom, > > Many thanks for your reply. Here's the deal.... > > 1. Like you said I played a tape, pressed STOP, turned over the tape and > pressed PLAY. Over and over again. At least 20 times. The deck played > happily every single time. > > 2. Next I only played a short piece near the end of the tape to trigger > autostop. When the tape gets to the end and hit autostop I turned over > the tape, pressed PLAY. The deck played. I did this several times in a > row, no problem. > > So it seems this BX-150 really needs at least 40 minutes of continuous > playing before it starts misbehaving. > > Then something went lost in translation. Because you said: "If so ("the > deck plays..."), the microprocessor latches (???) when the autostop is > triggered..." I would need a new micro because of this. Can you please > explain this a little more? Just for my better understanding... > > I do understand, BTW, these micro's are not easy to come by. Unless > you're willing to do business with some obscure electronics firm in Hong > Kong Paying a quadzillion dollars for packing and transport, of course. > > I have a BX-125 that sounds dull, remember? Does this deck carry the > particular micro? I guess not because it has no digital counter. If it > does I could probably "borrow" the micro to see if things improve. > > Well, that's it for now before I get to elaborate. > > Kinds regards, > Andre > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:14:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <664414.79716.qm at web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Where are you ( your Dragon located)? > kannan > > Gene Ess wrote: > .hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; > MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } BODY.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; > FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } Hi Alex, > > Thanks for your advice. I tried your suggestion and it still is no good. The > Normal and Metal works fine. The Chrome setting, the bias meter reads really > low. The meter reads very low even with the bias turned all the way clockwise. > The strange thing is after trying many times, it will finally work and I can > bias properly but then the next time, the same story. The meter measures wrong > all the way down on the meter. > > I am new to this deck but I am not new to electronics. Can this be a trimmer > problem on the Chrome/bias? Or maybe some intermittent switch with the EQ > 120/70 setting? It works like 1 out of 20 tries so I have to get this fixed. > > Thanks for your time and knowledge. > > Gene > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Alex Cozac > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:24 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > Hello Gene, > > As also own the same deck.... first try to move forth & back all such > potentiometers EX/SX & ZX...both level & bias for at least one minute each one > from looking to a clock 07.00 > 17.00 (Trust that you will comprehend what I > mean!?), as IF such just "Picked' Dragon deck was NOT used for long time...this > "Free Of Charge" maintenance will help in most case. As you wrote the Bias > oscillator is working...so from my ample knowledge...what I write you will 90% > help. > > Inform to all of us the results...BTW...also clean extremely well all the heads, > pinch rollers/capstans & DEGAUSS all very carefully (Deck OFF mains plug OFF > from the wall...as you are a novice in this matter...my best & secure advise!). > > Good luck, > > Truly, > > Alex! > --------------------------------- > From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:09 -0400 > Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > Hi, > > Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz bias > tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the deck > in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, the > meters give really low (and wrong) readings. > > It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and > Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting > but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And > who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? > > Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > Gene > > > --------------------------------- > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail�-get your > "fix". Check it out. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/26a2fc1b/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:39:36 -0600 > From: Mark Exstedt > Subject: FW: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Interesting. I only knew of the Pioneer cassette changer and believe I have an > oportunity to buy one. Does anyone know the value of the Pioneer? I believe it > held some 5-6 tapes.> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:16:57 -0600> From: > hitech77 at earthlink.net> To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: > [naktalk] A Yellow Nak?> > After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the 'Snake'. > This groundbreaking and expensive deck featured 'euro-styling' and 100 hour > (really long) recording time on a single cassette. To achieve this amazing feat, > the deck removed and discarded the cassette shell entirely, loaded the magnetic > tape into its yellow tubular body, and traversed its length with the new > 'Crystarolypoly' head. Multiple tapes could be stored within the tube, making > the Nakamichi Snake the most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included > were Dolby SSSSS, and polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and remain > largely hidden in the grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. > ! > > tom brucker> > -----Original Message-----> >From: Roland > > >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 PM> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak?> >> >Andy,> >> >I > believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from > >places > like Microswitch,Omron, etc,...> >> >> >> >At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote:> >> > >>This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL!> >>> >>Maybe it > was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over > >>a long distance > for maximum sound coverage!> >>> >>> > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ > 150224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >>> > >>> >>> >>*andy*> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> > Naktalk at naks.com! > mailinglist> >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.co! > m/mailma > n/listinfo/naktalk> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > > Hi Tech Service> 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211> > hitech77 at earthlink.net> hitech at bellsouth.net> 615-331-9241> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========-------------------------------------------------! > --------========= > _________________________________________________________________ > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/4b6b5824/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:30:04 -0500 > From: Kermit Gray > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > >> Hi everybody > >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about > >> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. > >> Theoretically this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling > >> would be needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current > >> wire or thinner ? > >> Would love to have inputs from all of you. > >> Regards > >> Soumi > > > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > > the head, achieving the opposite result of what > > you want. > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only > magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > > > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:03:34 EDT > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 3:01:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > ra.ah at rcn.com writes: > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > the head, achieving the opposite result of what > you want. > > > > Yes, ditto, I completely agree. > JW > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/0376d904/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:39:36 EDT > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only > magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just by taking > the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The idea that the > Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very powerful one > probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) is completely > bogus, and could get you in trouble. > > JW > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/72da450d/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:09:05 -0400 > From: benstratford at aol.co.uk > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8CA52B5958AF4DC-DF0-21CB at WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be used too often > - affecting the motors or anything else? > > Thanks, Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com > Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote:? > ? > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote:? > >> Hi everybody? > >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> increasing > its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically this is possible > ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed ? Would it have to be the > same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ?? > >> Would love to have inputs from all of you.? > >> Regards? > >> Soumi? > >? > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field? > > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize? > > the head, achieving the opposite result of what? > > you want.? > ? > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic field > strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! That's why the > Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. because it is the > magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize the heads if he > incorrectly used the demagnetizer.? > ? > >? > ? > -- Kermit Gray? > notarbene at kvglabs.com? > KVG Laboratories? > Equipment to Make Your Music Better? > 16371 Lake Point Drive? > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA? > Telephone: 913-422-0957? > Skype ID: triodelicacy? > ? > ? > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? > ? Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register? > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? > ? Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist? > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk? > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/e0cedd4a/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:29:51 -0400 > From: "Gene Ess" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > New York City. > > Gene > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf > Of kannan srinivasaraghavan > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:14 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > Where are you ( your Dragon located)? > kannan > > Gene Ess wrote: > Hi Alex, > > Thanks for your advice. I tried your suggestion and it still is no > good. The Normal and Metal works fine. The Chrome setting, the bias meter > reads really low. The meter reads very low even with the bias turned all > the way clockwise. The strange thing is after trying many times, it will > finally work and I can bias properly but then the next time, the same story. > The meter measures wrong all the way down on the meter. > > I am new to this deck but I am not new to electronics. Can this be a > trimmer problem on the Chrome/bias? Or maybe some intermittent switch with > the EQ 120/70 setting? It works like 1 out of 20 tries so I have to get > this fixed. > > Thanks for your time and knowledge. > > Gene > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Alex Cozac > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:24 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > Hello Gene, > > As also own the same deck.... first try to move forth & back all such > potentiometers EX/SX & ZX...both level & bias for at least one minute each > one from looking to a clock 07.00 > 17.00 (Trust that you will comprehend > what I mean!?), as IF such just "Picked' Dragon deck was NOT used for long > time...this "Free Of Charge" maintenance will help in most case. As you > wrote the Bias oscillator is working...so from my ample knowledge...what I > write you will 90% help. > > Inform to all of us the results...BTW...also clean extremely well all > the heads, pinch rollers/capstans & DEGAUSS all very carefully (Deck OFF > mains plug OFF from the wall...as you are a novice in this matter...my best > & secure advise!). > > Good luck, > > Truly, > > Alex! > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:09 -0400 > Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > > Hi, > > Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The > 15kHz bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If > I put the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into > Tape to bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. > > It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK > SA and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the > Chrome setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What > can be wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? > > Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on > NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > Gene > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail�-get > your "fix". 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Try it > now. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/63a5b195/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:05:59 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > From: Tom Brucker > Subject: Re: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , > naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <11296752.1205359559361.JavaMail.root at elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/0cb777d2/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 26 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:20:19 -0700 > From: "Kimo B. Yap" > Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > OK, I'm going to risk the ridicule of all the physicist/EEs here (so > remember I'm a chemist or software guy and this is hardware:-)... > > Isn't the confusion here that a demagnetizer is an AC unit so the > "field" produced is a dynamic field, not a static one (in terms of the > H vector especially its direction as well as magnitude); increasing > the coil increases the maxima of the field. > > If it were a DC electromagnet, then the stronger constant field would > be more likely to magnetize the heads. > > This is assuming proper usage and all that stuff as well, and it not > meant to comment on the advisability of doing > such a thing anyways; probably better just to get something designed > to produce a bigger field.-kby > > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > > > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the > > magnetic > > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! > > D'Oh! > > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > > field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only > > magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > > If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just > > by taking > > the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The > > idea that the > > Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very > > powerful one > > probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) > > is completely > > bogus, and could get you in trouble. > > > > JW > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/b92550e8/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 27 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:40:03 -0500 > From: Kermit Gray > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <9998A88C-7F8C-4D5C-BCE9-0354A967871D at kvglabs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > For the past 33 years I've been using the exact same Annis Han D Mag > degausser on everything from cassette decks to 2-inch reel-to-reel > decks with no ill effects. The key is to move the demagnetizer toward > the heads, then away from the heads s l o w l y and turn it off at > least 4 feet away. Every white paper I've read on the subject going > back as far as 1954 says, in essence, "stronger is better" within > practical limits of making the unit small and hand-holdable. Perhaps > in theory it is possible to make a demagnetizer "too strong" but in > practice I've never heard of it nor seen one. But, yes, if you move > the wand away quickly you can demagnetize the heads. That's an example > of using the demagnetizer incorrectly. > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > notarbene at kvglabs.com > > writes: > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > > field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only > > magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > > If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just by > > taking the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. > > The idea that the Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you > > need a very powerful one probably designed for massive reel heads > > (like for 1 inch reels) is completely bogus, and could get you in > > trouble. > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/a6121d67/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 28 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:57:10 -0500 > From: Kermit Gray > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Hi Ben, > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 7:09 PM, benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > > > Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be > > used too often - affecting the motors or anything else? > > Thanks, Ben > > > > Sure, theoretically. I suspect if you used the giant electromagnet > used in scrapyards to lift cars as a demagnetizer you'd magnetize the > deck completely and probably ruin motors with permanent magnets as > well as anything else with a permanent magnet in it. (Yes, this is a > ridiculous example mean to, illustrate a principle.) But in practice > I'm very, very skeptical you could make anything hand holdable that > would damage the deck IF PROPERLY USED. > > Annis found a good balance of powerful magnetic fields that are strong > enough to thoroughly degauss any tape head, yet not damage anything > else. PLEASE NOTE that if you move ANY demagnetizer too quickly toward > or away from the heads, or turn it off or on too close to the heads, > you WILL magnetize the heads. In that same situation, a powerful > demagnetizer like the Annis could possibly damage something > magnetically delicate like a moving coil meter. > > If you suffered from obsessive-compulsive disorder, yes, you possibly > could use a demagnetizer too often. How quickly residual magnetism > builds up depends on several factors, including tape speed, recording > levels, the > type of tape, and the composition of the tape heads. How often you > should demagnetize depends on both how quickly residual magnetism > builds up and how much quality loss from residual magnetism you are > willing to > accept. Slow tape speeds and low recording levels (low fluxivities) > will require infrequent demagnetizing, while high tape speeds and high > recording levels (high fluxivities) will require frequent > demagnetizing. Similarly, if you > are not willing to allow any quality losses to occur to your tapes > then you must demagnetize more often. As a rule, I "clean up" at the > end of a day with a tape recorder, and demagnetize it at the end of > the day unless it has been used for only a few minutes. > > You will hear some persons tell of a demagnetizer actually magnetizing > a head, or running a moving coil VU meter, or other magnetic mischief, > but if you look into the matter thoroughly you'll discover the > demagnetizer was used improperly or was defective. I once saw a > demagnetizer that, for whatever reason, had developed a short and > therefore the AC going into its coil was clipped on one half as if a > diode was across the line. This asymmetrical waveform meant that the > demagnetizer would MAGNETIZE anything it came into contact with > instead of demagnetizing. > > The misbelief that a demagnetizer can be too strong is based on our > experiences with magnetizing objects by rubbing them with a magnet or > placing the object in close proximity to a magnet. But this is not > what it happening with a true demagnetizer. A demagnetizer applies a > strong magnetic field strong to totally magnetize the part, then > reverses the field rapidly to cancel out the magnetism. A demagnetizer > runs on 60 (50) Hz AC, so the north and south poles of the magnetic > field reverse 120 (100) times a second. The magnetic field�s strength > must then be very, very slowly reduced until it reaches zero by slowly > moving the demagnetizer away from the heads and tape guides. ALWAYS > REMEMBER that quick, jerky motions will magnetize metal parts and > will not demagnetize them. Effective demagnetizing applies the > strongest possible magnetic field to all metal tape path parts. This > requires that the demagnetizer�s tip makes close contact with the > parts, because a magnetic field�s strength lowers with the square of > the distance. So, choose a demagnetizer that creates a strong magnetic > field, the stronger the better. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kermit Gray > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com > > Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > > > > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > > >> Hi everybody > > >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about > > >> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> > > Theoretically this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling > > >> would be needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the > > current >> wire or thinner ? > > >> Would love to have inputs from all of you. > > >> Regards > > >> Soumi > > > > > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > > > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > > > the head, achieving the opposite result of what > > > you want. > > > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the > > magnetic field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better > > demagnetizer! D'Oh! That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far > > stronger magnetic field. because it is the magnetic field that > > demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used > > the demagnetizer. > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/6a53d5e8/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 29 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:03:33 -0500 > From: Kermit Gray > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <6D3D1118-6B12-4A4B-8C8B-C4EDFBEA179E at kvglabs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Kimo, > > Exactly! You win a gold star! > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > > OK, I'm going to risk the ridicule of all the physicist/EEs here (so > > remember I'm a chemist or software guy and this is hardware:-)... > > > > Isn't the confusion here that a demagnetizer is an AC unit so the > > "field" produced is a dynamic field, not a static one (in terms of the > > H vector especially its direction as well as magnitude); increasing > > the coil increases the maxima of the field. > > > > If it were a DC electromagnet, then the stronger constant field > > would be more likely to magnetize the heads. > > > > This is assuming proper usage and all that stuff as well, and it not > > meant to comment on the advisability of doing > > such a thing anyways; probably better just to get something designed > > to produce a bigger field.-kby > > > >> In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > >> notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > >> > >> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the > >> magnetic > >> field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! > >> D'Oh! > >> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > >> field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only > >> magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > >> If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just > >> by taking > >> the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The > >> idea that the > >> Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very > >> powerful one > >> probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) > >> is completely > >> bogus, and could get you in trouble. > >> > >> JW > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/89524504/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 30 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:23:40 -0400 > From: benstratford at aol.co.uk > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <8CA52C000DB5C0C-DF0-2518 at WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Kermit, thanks for the info and yes, I do suffer from OCD!  Could you describe > the speed of movement of the demag if used properly and do yo > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 1:57 pm > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > > Hi Ben, > > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 7:09 PM, benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > > > > > > Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be used too often > - affecting the motors or anything else? > > Thanks, Ben > > > > > > > > Sure, theoretically. I suspect if you used the giant electromagnet used in > scrapyards to lift cars as a demagnetizer you'd magnetize the deck completely > and probably ruin motors with permanent magnets as well as anything else with a > permanent magnet in it. (Yes, this is a ridiculous example mean to, illustrate a > principle.) But in practice I'm very, very skeptical you could make anything > hand holdable that would damage the deck IF PROPERLY USED.  > > > > > Annis found a good balance of powerful magnetic fields that are strong enough to > thoroughly degauss any tape head, yet not damage anything else. PLEASE NOTE that > if you move ANY demagnetizer too quickly toward or away from the heads, or turn > it off or on too close to the heads, you WILL magnetize the heads. In that same > situation, a powerful demagnetizer like the Annis could possibly damage > something magnetically delicate like a moving coil meter.  > > > > > If you suffered from obsessive-compulsive disorder, yes, you possibly could use > a demagnetizer too often.  How quickly residual magnetism builds up depends on > several factors, including tape speed, recording levels, the  > > type of tape, and the composition of the tape heads. How often you should > demagnetize depends on both how quickly residual magnetism builds up and how > much quality loss from residual magnetism you are willing to  > > accept. Slow tape speeds and low recording levels (low fluxivities) will require > infrequent demagnetizing, while high tape speeds and high recording levels > (high fluxivities) will require frequent demagnetizing. Similarly, if you  > > are not willing to allow any quality losses to occur to your tapes then you must > demagnetize more often. As a rule, I "clean up" at the end of a day with a tape > recorder, and demagnetize it at the end of the day unless it has been used for > only a few minutes.   > > > > > You will hear some persons tell of a demagnetizer actually magnetizing a head, > or running a moving coil VU meter, or other magnetic mischief, but if you look > into the matter thoroughly you'll discover the demagnetizer was used improperly > or was defective.  I once saw a demagnetizer that, for whatever reason, had > developed a short and therefore the AC going into its coil was clipped on one > half as if a diode was across the line. This asymmetrical waveform meant that > the demagnetizer would MAGNETIZE anything it came into contact with instead of > demagnetizing.  > > > > > > The misbelief that a demagnetizer can be too strong is based on our experiences > with magnetizing objects by rubbing them with a magnet or placing the object in > close proximity to a magnet. But this is not what it happening with a true > demagnetizer. A demagnetizer applies a strong magnetic field strong to totally > magnetize the part, then reverses the field rapidly to cancel out the > magnetism. A demagnetizer runs on 60 (50) Hz AC, so the north and south poles of > the magnetic field reverse 120 (100) times a second. The magnetic field’s > strength must then be very, very slowly reduced until it reaches zero by slowly > moving the demagnetizer away from the heads and tape guides. ALWAYS REMEMBER  > that quick, jerky motions will magnetize metal parts and will  not demagnetize > them. Effective demagnetizing applies the strongest possible magnetic field to > all metal tape path parts. This requires that the demagnetizer’s tip makes > close contact with the parts, because a magnet! > ic field’s strength lowers with the square of the distance. So, choose a > demagnetizer that creates a strong magnetic field, the stronger the better.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kermit Gray > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com > Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote:  >   > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote:  > >> Hi everybody  > >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> increasing > its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically this is possible > ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed ? Would it have to be the > same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ?  > >> Would love to have inputs from all of you.  > >> Regards  > >> Soumi  > >  > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field  > > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize  > > the head, achieving the opposite result of what  > > you want.  >   > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic field > strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! That's why the > Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. because it is the > magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize the heads if he > incorrectly used the demagnetizer.  >   > > > > > > > > > -- Kermit Gray > > notarbene at kvglabs.com > > KVG Laboratories > > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > > > > > = > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > =======---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > =======---------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/66752bc0/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 31 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:22:51 -0400 > From: " Antoine Desch?nes " > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Message-ID: > <17d5ee910803121722u469ece54j34bb3e9a74371ed0 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Isn't it the reason why they always say to walk away slowly from the > head before turning the demagnetizer off? > > 2008/3/12, Bansijeff at aol.com : > > > > > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > > field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only > > magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > > If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just by taking > > the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The idea that the > > Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very powerful one > > probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) is > > completely bogus, and could get you in trouble. > > > > JW > > > > > > -- > Antoine Desch�nes > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 32 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:54:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bob Naylor > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <375061.36862.qm at web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Jeff, Can't you magnetize the heads by moving the de-magnetizer away from the > heads too fast? I always move the de-magnetizer away from the heads v e r y s > l o w l y. Bob > > Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific > Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only > magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. If a demagnetizer > is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just by taking the wand away from the > heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The idea that the Nak demagger is too weak > to do a good job, and you need a very powerful one probably designed for massive > reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) is completely bogus, and could get you in > trouble. > > JW > > > > > --------------------------------- > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/9c406086/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 33 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:33:53 EDT > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 5:41:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > > Perhaps in theory it is possible to make a demagnetizer "too strong" but in > practice I've never heard of it nor seen one. But, yes, if you move the wand > away quickly you can demagnetize the heads. That's an example of using the > demagnetizer incorrectly. > > > > > > > > In one of your ealier posts you comment - > "When I use a Nakamichi DR-10 demagnetizer, you hear a little vibration > created by the magnetic field. But use an Annis Han D Mag and the tape > deck hums loudly -- audible testimony of the Annis's power!" > > In my book, that qualifies as using a demagnetizer incorrectly. > > Jeff W > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/0d97da19/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 34 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:44:00 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <47D8A300.70002 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Kermit Gray wrote: > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > > > >> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > >>> Hi everybody > >>> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about > >>> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically > >>> this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling would be needed > >>> ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current wire or thinner ? > >>> Would love to have inputs from all of you. > >>> Regards > >>> Soumi > >> > >> Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > >> strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > >> the head, achieving the opposite result of what > >> you want. > > > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > > Not really. Once the magnetic field is enough > to penetrate the head, any addition is bad. > That's because demagnetization relies on > reducing the field *smoothly and slowly*. Any > abrupt motion actually magnetizes the head. > When the demagnetizer is too strong, this is > more apt to happen. > > > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. > > because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. > > Not so. A magnetic field magnetizes. It is the > slow and absolutely even decay of the field that > demagnetizes. Since the Annis is too powerful it > is not better, except in your imagination. > > > He'd only magnetize > > the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > > Bull! Even a small shake of the hand will cause > magnetization; and, the stronger the field, the > the more apt this is to happen. > > How well did you do in Fields 101? Did you even > take it at all? > > -- Ron > > > >> > > > > -- Kermit Gray > > notarbene at kvglabs.com > > KVG Laboratories > > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 35 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:46:10 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <47D8A382.9060009 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Too long? No! You may use it all day long with > no ill effects. > > -- Ron > > > > benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > > Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be used > > too often - affecting the motors or anything else? > > Thanks, Ben > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kermit Gray > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com > > Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > > > > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > > >> Hi everybody > > >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> > > increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically > > this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed > > ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ? > > >> Would love to have inputs from all of you. > > >> Regards > > >> Soumi > > > > > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > > > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > > > the head, achieving the opposite result of what > > > you want. > > > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. > > because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize > > the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > > > > > > > > > -- Kermit Gray > > notarbene at kvglabs.com > > KVG Laboratories > > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar > > > > for your browser. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 36 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:54:20 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <47D8A56C.6010301 at rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Once a demagnetizer field is strong enough to > penetrate the head, there is zero advantage > in making is stronger. Actually, there is a > disadvantage, due to the increased possibility > of magnetizing the head if it is not withdrawn > smoothly. > > -- Ron > > > benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > > Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be used > > too often - affecting the motors or anything else? > > Thanks, Ben > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kermit Gray > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com > > Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > > > > > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > > >> Hi everybody > > >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> > > increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically > > this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed > > ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ? > > >> Would love to have inputs from all of you. > > >> Regards > > >> Soumi > > > > > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > > > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > > > the head, achieving the opposite result of what > > > you want. > > > > Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic > > field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! > > That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. > > because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize > > the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > > > > > > > > > -- Kermit Gray > > notarbene at kvglabs.com > > KVG Laboratories > > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 37 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:23:08 EDT > From: BOEING747600 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Please give that poor seller at ebay a break! I am sure he got the titles > mixed up! Ali > > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 5:56:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > Grover.Zinn at oberlin.edu writes: > > Thanks for this explanation of the marvelous device! :-) > > I would think that the "30w male--50w female" power cord adapter > listed among the other items on the seller's page (need any orchids or > an Elivs 45?) is an equally revolutionary "add on" for the nakamichi > "Snake". Taking the 30w male as the "input" end to be plugged into > the "output" of the "Snake", the power amplification ( 30 to 50 watts, > not quite doubling) in such a short, small, and self-powered unit > would have to be one of the best kept secrets of the audio industry. > Wonder what else the grass has hidden in it? (perhaps the actual > picture of the nak purportedly being sold?) > > Grover Zinn > > Grover Zinn > William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) > former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences > Oberlin College > Oberlin, OH 44074 > 440-775-8866 (department) > grover.zinn at oberlin.edu > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > > > After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the "Snake". This > > groundbreaking and expensive deck featured "euro-styling" and 100 > > hour (really long) recording time on a single cassette. To achieve > > this amazing feat, the deck removed and discarded the cassette shell > > entirely, loaded the magnetic tape into its yellow tubular body, and > > traversed its length with the new "Crystarolypoly" head. Multiple > > tapes could be stored within the tube, making the Nakamichi Snake > > the most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included were > > Dolby SSSSS, and polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and > > remain largely hidden in the grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. > > > > tom brucker > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Roland > >> Sent: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 PM > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? > >> > >> Andy, > >> > >> I believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from > >> places like Microswitch,Omron, etc,... > >> > >> > >> > >> At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote: > >> > >>> This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL! > >>> > >>> Maybe it was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over > >>> a long distance for maximum sound coverage! > >>> > >>> > >>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ15 > 0224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *andy* > >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ========= > >> > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > > > > > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > 615-331-9241 > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/697ac5bc/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 38 > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:24:02 -0400 > From: "Gene Ess" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > To: "Tom Brucker" , "Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks" > Cc: Gene Ess > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Tom, > > Thank you for your response. I'll try your method and see. I know I can do a > pretty good job by ear as I am a musician and also have mixed and mastered jazz > CDs. > > It finally biased with a TDK SA tape after restarting the whole level/bias > process over and over like 30 times. The strange thing is the next time I try > to bias, I have to go through this whole ordeal again. Spend 30 minutes doing > something that should take couple of minutes. Not sure why the normal and metal > settings are fine. Just the chrome... > > It looks like it does not record the 15kHz tone most of the time and on some > lucky occasion, it does and the bias works. > > Gene > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Tom Brucker > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:06 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > Gene, > > Your Dragon is fine. It is in "overbias" condition. To get back on track, set > level to 12 o'clock and bias to the same. You will do this by feel since the > knobs have no mark. Record the level (400Hz) and note the meter reding, then > switch to bias. If the meters read higher levels, turn the bias knobs CCW and > then go back and forth with level set. If the meters read lower, turn the bias > CW to 1 o'clock and run the test again. What we are looking for is a bias level > that gives us the same meter levels on both level and bias tests, and then we > set the level. If not, set bias at 2 o'clock.... > > An alternate approach is to record music. Set the level to 12 o'clock, > bias all the way CCW. Press record and slowly rotate the bias setting CW 1 > "hour" for each 10 counts on the tape counter. Rewind the tape and play. When > the frequency response seems flat, note the counter reading and set the bias > controls at that "hour". Now use the level and bias calibrations to complete the > setup. > > tom brucker > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Ess > Sent: Mar 11, 2008 5:06 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon > > > Hi, > > Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz > bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the > deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, > the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. > > It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and > Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting > but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And > who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? > > Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. > > Best regards, > > Gene > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/86871318/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 39 > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:42:22 +0000 > From: gaoneill at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Cover > To: naktalk at naks.com, > Message-ID: > > <031320080242.19432.47D8948E0003DC3200004BE822069984990404070A02010E09 at comcast.n > et> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I'm new to this discussion forum, so this question may have already been > answered in the past. I recently purchased an RX-202 that is functionally > excellent: it has the gear upgrade, has been re-calibrated recently, etc... It > is, however, missing the plastic cassette cover for the front. Is there some > way I can find and buy the cover? > > Thanks. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080313/3dac0fef/attach > ment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 40 > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:26:05 -0000 > From: "Graham A Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Message-ID: <155FD4370DDF4A7C8E0975BFD53DC1D4 at GrahamNPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Well, that's precisely what they taught us at school in Physics, that it > didn't really matter how strong was the magnetic force - if it were an AC > magnet it couldn't magnetise anything IF it were removed away from an object > slow enough as to leave the poles (?) in random order. This was > demonstrated by using a large lab' made electromagnet, and a heavy bag of > nails. The demag' was first applied to the bag of nails with an AC current > and switched off on the bag. As the physics predicted, all the little > pointed chaps were magnetised and mostly stuck together in train, flat or > sharp end, depending on their polarity. Those closest to the electro magnet > seemed to be the strongest new magnets. Then the AC demag was applied again > but this time, removed slowly. Hey presto! The nails were no longer diddy > magnets! The teacher then went on to apply a DC current to the electro > magnet. He slowly closed in on the nails, left it there with them for a few > moments. Once more, the nails had become magnetised again. He then, > switched the magnet back on again and removed it very slowly, and then > demonstrated the nails were still magnetised as before. > > This is the good bit ... He then took out one magnetised nail from the bag, > and demonstrated the strength of its power with some paper clips (counting > the number of clips it could lift.) That done, he proceeded to beat the sh#t > out of the nail with a very large hammer. Back to the paper clips, he then > demonstrated that the hammer blows had partially demagnetised the nail since > it could no longer lift as many paper clips. > > So, there you have it, guys - if you can't afford a Nak wand, the Sony > horseshoe or Kermit's favourite demag', smash the heads of your beloved > machine with a hammer ... Guaranteed to work everytime! > > Seriously, I suspect demags like the Nak or Sony, were built to a minimum > cost - sufficient to do an adequate job and cheap enough to make it a viable > price to a mass amateur market, whereas Kermit's more powerful model was > probably made to a higher specification, and cost more, in line for the more > demanding needs of the professional recordists. At least, that's my theory. > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Antoine Desch�nes > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:23 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > > Isn't it the reason why they always say to walk away slowly from the head > before turning the demagnetizer off? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 11 > *************************************** From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 14 15:59:57 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:59:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <47D92F0B.1090607@sbcglobal.net> References: <47D92F0B.1090607@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <47DA92ED.6090809@rcn.com> Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > I have owned several decent demaggers over the years. I even had a piece > of junk from Rat Shack. My Teac is decent. But once my Annis Han-D-Mag > arrived I realized the others were toys. ken, I am curious as to how you arrived at this conclusion. Did you measure the magnetic field? If so, how? > It also came with a nice white > paper on proper use. They also sell a magnetometer which will show if > any magnetism is left. I don't have one but plan to find one soon. They > are built to last a lifetime, then another. Well, my cheapo Allied demagnetizer has already lasted a lifetime of regular use and I am not too concerned about it lasting a second one. BTW, the Nak demagnetizer looks exactly the same and is far from cheap. > They are made the way things > were back in the old days that said "Made in USA " . Highly recommended. > Kermit is spot on about this, as usual. Again: how do you know this? The only claim Kermit made was that the stronger the demagnetizer, the better -- and this is patently incorrect. Can you offer an explanation as to how he is 'spot on'? -- Ron > Do make sure the deck is turned > off when you use it! > > Ken > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From tilomagnet at web.de Fri Mar 14 15:17:03 2008 From: tilomagnet at web.de (joachim hetzer) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:17:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ANNIS HAN-D-MAG Message-ID: <1536867452@web.de> So which Han-D-Mag model is the most suitable to use on cassette decks? __________________________________________________ GRATIS: Movie-FLAT. Jetzt freischalten! http://freemail.web.de/club/maxdome.htm/?mc=025557 From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Mar 14 14:38:12 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:38:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <47D93EB5.5080501@rcn.com> References: <17d5ee910803121722u469ece54j34bb3e9a74371ed0@mail.gmail.com> <47D93EB5.5080501@rcn.com> Message-ID: <47DA7FC4.9090401@yahoo.ca> If you move slowly, shouldn't the AC fields cancel the "jerk of the hand" once it happened? Well, you could use a variac with your demag on a mike stand instead ;-D Ron a écrit : > Well, I said 'slowly and smoothly'. The 'Slowly' > part is because the field alternates 60 times a > second (50, if you're across the pond) and > movement between alternations should be very > small. The 'smoothly' part is because any jerk > of the hand, especially when the demagnetizer > field around the head is still strong, will > magnetize the head, rather than demagnetize it. From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 14 16:20:28 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:20:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: References: <200803121102.m2CB1mOG002373@zxe.naks.com> <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <47D830DD.2090407@rcn.com> <47D8A300.70002@rcn.com> Message-ID: <47DA97BC.4060200@rcn.com> Kermit Gray wrote: > Sorry, Ron, but you're just wrong. Yes, Ron, I did take Magnetic Theory > and I've designed numerous excellent electromagnets and loudspeaker > motors over the past 34 years. Thanks for the petty insult, though, I > hope it made you feel good about yourself. Are you capable of > articulating your arguments without ad hominems? > > Your argument assumes, incorrectly, that no one can reduce the field by > hand No, it never did. > and shows several misconception about the effect of AC fields used > to demagnetize ferrous metals. Such as? > I contacted R. B Annis company today to clarify the issues of magnetic > field strength. They stated there is no such thing as "too strong a > magnetic field" and gave me the following info about using AC fields to > demagnetize steel. > > [...] Annis' response is simply a detailed explanation of how demagnetization works and is absolutely correct. In in way does it address our preceding discussion, so how does it prove that you were right and/or that I was wrong? -- Ron > > Since you've decided to add your petty little insult I'll tell you > flatly that I'll take the word of the R. B. Annis company, who are world > authorities in demagnetizers and magnetometers since 1907, over your > lame attempts to obfuscate what is actually a fairly straightforward and > accepted issue that is never debated among top audio professionals. The > only time you ever see discussions like this is among those who do not > know about demagnetization (which is okay) and individuals likes you who > enjoy fanning debates merely to have an ongoing debate. > > I have a business to run, so with apologies to the group, I'll not waste > any further time with your nonsense. I'm really out of patience for it. > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:44 PM, Ron wrote: > >> Kermit Gray wrote: >>> On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: >>>> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >>>>> Hi everybody >>>>> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >>>>> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >>>>> Theoretically this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling >>>>> would be needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current >>>>> wire or thinner ? >>>>> Would love to have inputs from all of you. >>>>> Regards >>>>> Soumi >>>> >>>> Why would you want to increase the magnetic field >>>> strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize >>>> the head, achieving the opposite result of what >>>> you want. >>> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the >>> magnetic field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better >>> demagnetizer! D'Oh! >> >> Not really. Once the magnetic field is enough >> to penetrate the head, any addition is bad. >> That's because demagnetization relies on >> reducing the field *smoothly and slowly*. Any >> abrupt motion actually magnetizes the head. >> When the demagnetizer is too strong, this is >> more apt to happen. >> >>> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic >>> field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. >> >> Not so. A magnetic field magnetizes. It is the >> slow and absolutely even decay of the field that >> demagnetizes. Since the Annis is too powerful it >> is not better, except in your imagination. >> >>> He'd only magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. >> >> Bull! Even a small shake of the hand will cause >> magnetization; and, the stronger the field, the >> the more apt this is to happen. >> >> How well did you do in Fields 101? Did you even >> take it at all? >> >> -- Ron >> >> >>>> >>> -- Kermit Gray >>> notarbene at kvglabs.com >>> KVG Laboratories >>> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >>> 16371 Lake Point Drive >>> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >>> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >>> Skype ID: triodelicacy >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 14 16:26:14 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:26:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <4E6BFAE8-886E-419C-9E65-2FA650061582@kvglabs.com> References: <200803121102.m2CB1mOG002373@zxe.naks.com> <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> <47D830DD.2090407@rcn.com> <8CA52B5958AF4DC-DF0-21CB@WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> <47D8A382.9060009@rcn.com> <4E6BFAE8-886E-419C-9E65-2FA650061582@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <47DA9916.5050303@rcn.com> OK, I'll concede this depends on losses in the head (which are ridiculously low at 60Hz), so maybe 'all day' is stretching it. OTOH, maybe that would be harmful when the field is very strong and not so when it is just enough to do the job? -- Ron Kermit Gray wrote: > somewhat correct. > > As R. B. Annis points out "cooking" the steel in an AC magnetic field > heats it up over time, which is how induction cooktops work, by the way. > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Ron wrote: > >> >> Too long? No! You may use it all day long with >> no ill effects. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: >>> Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be >>> used too often - affecting the motors or anything else? >>> Thanks, Ben >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kermit Gray >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com >>> Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >>> On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > soumitra at soumitrab.com >>> wrote: >> Hi everybody >> I have a >>> Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> increasing >>> its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically this is >>> possible ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed ? >>> Would it have to be the same guage as the current >> wire or thinner >>> ? >> Would love to have inputs from all of you. >> Regards >> >>> Soumi > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > >>> strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > the head, >>> achieving the opposite result of what > you want. Uh, Ron, I don't >>> know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic field strength >>> of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! That's why >>> the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. because >>> it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize the >>> heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > -- Kermit Gray >>> notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories >>> Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner >>> Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: >>> triodelicacy >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >>> account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar >>> >>> for your browser. >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 14 16:27:59 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:27:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47DA997F.5080001@rcn.com> BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Kermit, I think you are RIGHT! and great to hear from you again! > you are a GENIUS! With Best Regards! Ali. > > PS Ron go easy on Kermit he really knows what he is talking about! you > cant argue with a great mind! Ali, I *never* argue with great minds :-). -- Ron > > In a message dated 3/13/2008 5:08:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > > Sorry, Ron, but you're just wrong. Yes, Ron, I did take Magnetic > Theory and I've designed numerous excellent electromagnets and > loudspeaker motors over the past 34 years. Thanks for the petty > insult, though, I hope it made you feel good about yourself. Are you > capable of articulating your arguments without ad hominems? > > Your argument assumes, incorrectly, that no one can reduce the field > by hand and shows several misconception about the effect of AC fields > used to demagnetize ferrous metals. > > I contacted R. B Annis company today to clarify the issues of > magnetic field strength. They stated there is no such thing as "too > strong a magnetic field" and gave me the following info about using AC > fields to demagnetize steel. > > "One demagnetizing method is to expose the steel to a magnetic field > of cyclically > reversing polarity, which must have an initial intensity higher than > the fraction method in the > above described laboratory procedure. This cyclically reversing field > is then reduced in intensity > so that each succeeding half-cycle, of opposite polarity, is slightly > less than that proceeding halfcycle, > "but more than the critical minimum 'fraction' as dictated by the type > of steel involved." > > "The intensity of such a cyclical alternating demagnetizing field can > be reduced to near zero by > means of a rheostat or a variable transformer, or much more simply by > progressively separating > the steel and the source of alternating demagnetizing field to such a > distance that the field > induced in the steel is essentially zero. This is not difficult, nor > is the separation distance > involved too great because such induced magnetism very nearly follows > the inverse square law, > where doubling the distance apart will reduce induction to one quarter > the initial amount and > doubling again, to one sixteenth, etc." > > "One of the most important points to remember in cyclical > demagnetizing is that actual > demagnetizing is accomplished only during the incremental reduction of > successive half-cycles > of the demagnetizing field, or only during that time when the work and > the demagnetizer are > being separated. Leaving steel to “cook” in an alternating > demagnetizing field is of little value > unless one might consider the secondary effect of heat being generated > in the work due to losses > from induced eddy currents." > > Since you've decided to add your petty little insult I'll tell you > flatly that I'll take the word of the R. B. Annis company, who are > world authorities in demagnetizers and magnetometers since 1907, over > your lame attempts to obfuscate what is actually a fairly > straightforward and accepted issue that is never debated among top > audio professionals. The only time you ever see discussions like this > is among those who do not know about demagnetization (which is okay) > and individuals likes you who enjoy fanning debates merely to have an > ongoing debate. > > I have a business to run, so with apologies to the group, I'll not > waste any further time with your nonsense. I'm really out of patience > for it. > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:44 PM, Ron wrote: > > > Kermit Gray wrote: > >> On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > >>> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > >>>> Hi everybody > >>>> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about > >>>> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. > >>>> Theoretically this is possible ... just wondering how much > >>>> coiling would be needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as > >>>> the current wire or thinner ? > >>>> Would love to have inputs from all of you. > >>>> Regards > >>>> Soumi > >>> > >>> Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > >>> strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > >>> the head, achieving the opposite result of what > >>> you want. > >> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the > >> magnetic field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better > >> demagnetizer! D'Oh! > > > > Not really. Once the magnetic field is enough > > to penetrate the head, any addition is bad. > > That's because demagnetization relies on > > reducing the field *smoothly and slowly*. Any > > abrupt motion actually magnetizes the head. > > When the demagnetizer is too strong, this is > > more apt to happen. > > > >> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic > >> field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. > > > > Not so. A magnetic field magnetizes. It is the > > slow and absolutely even decay of the field that > > demagnetizes. Since the Annis is too powerful it > > is not better, except in your imagination. > > > >> He'd only magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the > >> demagnetizer. > > > > Bull! Even a small shake of the hand will cause > > magnetization; and, the stronger the field, the > > the more apt this is to happen. > > > > How well did you do in Fields 101? Did you even > > take it at all? > > > > -- Ron > > > > > >>> > >> -- Kermit Gray > >> notarbene at kvglabs.com > >> KVG Laboratories > >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better > >> 16371 Lake Point Drive > >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 > >> Skype ID: triodelicacy > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 14 16:45:35 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:45:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] vertical placement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47DA9D9F.8010205@rcn.com> SheldO wrote: > I have a BX-2 that i LOVE and have been using for years. My setup has > changed slightly and it works best for me to have the cassette deck > standing up vertically. It seems to be playing fine that way and have no > reason to believe that it should effect recording and playback. I was > just wanting some feedback on this. Thanks! > > SheldO Interesting question. I don't really know the answer, but can venture a thought. The only difference I can see is to the transport; specifically, the capstan rear plastic (Delrin?) backing plates. In the vertical orientation these suffer very low stress, if any. When supporting the weight of the flywheels they may possibly wear out in time. Another aspect is the door. I know for a fact that it dos not open and close as it does in the 'correct' orientation. However, this just relates to convenience. -- Ron From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 14 15:50:14 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:50:14 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] vertical placement Message-ID: <21633285.1205506214395.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Fri Mar 14 16:40:11 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:40:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon In-Reply-To: <686851.64486.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, Sounds like the same exact problem except on Metal. I might be able to live with that since metal tapes are not around much. The warmed up thing is strange. The thing is my deck makes a faint clicking sound in rhythm in either play or record on any tape I tried. I am suspecting the NACC azimuth mechanism. I'll have to get it serviced. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of LENA WONG Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:48 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Gene: I have a similar problem on one of my DRAGON. The problem however is on METAL position and on BIAS calibration. The deck was serviced recently so the heads should all be aligned properly. When the unit is powered up and if calibration is performed right the way, the bias level ( L and R channels ) will not be able to reach 0db when the knobs full turned to right. However, when the unit is being warmed up for ten minutes and I re-try, it is easier to get to 0db level. However, it is still not fully consistence all the time. Good Luck on yours. Mike Gene Ess wrote: Hi Tom, Thank you for your response. I'll try your method and see. I know I can do a pretty good job by ear as I am a musician and also have mixed and mastered jazz CDs. It finally biased with a TDK SA tape after restarting the whole level/bias process over and over like 30 times. The strange thing is the next time I try to bias, I have to go through this whole ordeal again. Spend 30 minutes doing something that should take couple of minutes. Not sure why the normal and metal settings are fine. Just the chrome... It looks like it does not record the 15kHz tone most of the time and on some lucky occasion, it does and the bias works. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:06 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Gene, Your Dragon is fine. It is in "overbias" condition. To get back on track, set level to 12 o'clock and bias to the same. You will do this by feel since the knobs have no mark. Record the level (400Hz) and note the meter reding, then switch to bias. If the meters read higher levels, turn the bias knobs CCW and then go back and forth with level set. If the meters read lower, turn the bias CW to 1 o'clock and run the test again. What we are looking for is a bias level that gives us the same meter levels on both level and bias tests, and then we set the level. If not, set bias at 2 o'clock.... An alternate approach is to record music. Set the level to 12 o'clock, bias all the way CCW. Press record and slowly rotate the bias setting CW 1 "hour" for each 10 counts on the tape counter. Rewind the tape and play. When the frequency response seems flat, note the counter reading and set the bias controls at that "hour". Now use the level and bias calibrations to complete the setup. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ess Sent: Mar 11, 2008 5:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Hi, Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. Best regards, Gene Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241========-------------------------------------------------------- -========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Fri Mar 14 16:47:23 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:47:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Alex, I did try your way and it just does not work for my deck. I rotated the bias trimmer for like 1 minute each but no luck. Eventually, if I keep trying, the bias meter will jump and I can bias but the next time, I have to go through this long process again. I hear faint clicking noise in both play and record on all tapes. Tom suggested a bad NACC system. I'll take a look at the service manual. regards, Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cozac Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:13 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Bravo Tom! Yes what you explicated to gene I 100% agreed! maine because was "Resting' for 10 years also has the same "Failure"...but I move forth & back at least 20 times EACH Level & Bias knob till after 20 times I set them ALL CCW (07.00 if you look at a clock)... mark them with a Red point...gripped the knob move CW till stop (17.00 if you look again a clock)...as the red mark point will show me where I'm...it's very easily to set all of them to the middle point as you wrote "12 o'clock"...& after patiently with each side of the same cassette adjust the Level & after the Bias. Gene...take in account that this process MUST be do it in EACH NEWER CASSETTE that you selected to record...whatever brand you have in possession!!!. Better if you wait till the counter run at last 1/2 minute from the tape leader...so the tape will be not curly or something like that that with my bad English don't know how to explain you...but I relay on your ample comprehending. Good luck & commence enjoining your new "Toy"...! Peace, Alex! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com To: hitech77 at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:24:02 -0400 CC: Gene at jazzgenemusic.com Hi Tom, Thank you for your response. I'll try your method and see. I know I can do a pretty good job by ear as I am a musician and also have mixed and mastered jazz CDs. It finally biased with a TDK SA tape after restarting the whole level/bias process over and over like 30 times. The strange thing is the next time I try to bias, I have to go through this whole ordeal again. Spend 30 minutes doing something that should take couple of minutes. Not sure why the normal and metal settings are fine. Just the chrome... It looks like it does not record the 15kHz tone most of the time and on some lucky occasion, it does and the bias works. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:06 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Gene, Your Dragon is fine. It is in "overbias" condition. To get back on track, set level to 12 o'clock and bias to the same. You will do this by feel since the knobs have no mark. Record the level (400Hz) and note the meter reding, then switch to bias. If the meters read higher levels, turn the bias knobs CCW and then go back and forth with level set. If the meters read lower, turn the bias CW to 1 o'clock and run the test again. What we are looking for is a bias level that gives us the same meter levels on both level and bias tests, and then we set the level. If not, set bias at 2 o'clock.... An alternate approach is to record music. Set the level to 12 o'clock, bias all the way CCW. Press record and slowly rotate the bias setting CW 1 "hour" for each 10 counts on the tape counter. Rewind the tape and play. When the frequency response seems flat, note the counter reading and set the bias controls at that "hour". Now use the level and bias calibrations to complete the setup. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ess Sent: Mar 11, 2008 5:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Hi, Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. Best regards, Gene Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. Play now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emberphoto at hotmail.com Fri Mar 14 19:42:10 2008 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:42:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <82DF4113-3649-429A-AC5C-AE5221EDDA46@kvglabs.com> References: <82DF4113-3649-429A-AC5C-AE5221EDDA46@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: Boys, boys, boys... Can we please NOW place the Annis, Sony, TEAC, or Nakamichi demagnetizer in the drawer, to be removed and used on our precious decks every ten hours, every time you make a timeless recording, or your own time-tested interval...agree that the deck should be turned off to prevent any nervous breakdowns from passing high-amplitude hum to the rest of the audio chain...not worry too much about which unit induces the loudest hum when brought near metal surfaces...and all agree that it should be withdrawn slowly, and the power turned off after it is a safe distance from the deck? Oh, yes, and keep the demag away from any recorded cassettes... The way this is going, we'll next be chewing through learned discussions of the metallurgy behind building the covers for RX-202's versus the Dragon. Me, I'm gonna stop opening such tomes...and go enjoy a Brahms symphony or some Bert Kaempfert on one of my lovely cleaned and demagged Nak decks. Seems to me, that was why I've bought these wonderful machines... Just a thought and no offense to those techier than I! Steve Ember From: notarbene at kvglabs.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag unitsDate: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:12:45 -0500I's both. The AC magnetic field of a demagnetizer vibrates ferrous metals in the deck (as well as itself), the more powerful the field the greater the vibration, that's all I'm saying. So what? On Mar 13, 2008, at 5:00 PM, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/13/2008 2:08:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: In one of your ealier posts you comment - "When I use a Nakamichi DR-10 demagnetizer, you hear a little vibration created by the magnetic field. But use an Annis Han D Mag and the tape deck hums loudly -- audible testimony of the Annis's power!" In my book, that qualifies as using a demagnetizer incorrectly. (JW's reply) Actually the demagnetizer itself hums, so I fail to see the validity of your statement. So you're changing your story, it's the demagger that hums, not the deck? Jeff W -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Mar 15 02:45:59 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:45:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <47DA7FC4.9090401@yahoo.ca> References: <17d5ee910803121722u469ece54j34bb3e9a74371ed0@mail.gmail.com> <47D93EB5.5080501@rcn.com> <47DA7FC4.9090401@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <5DE27F46-0258-47A3-B354-D8C04D701EAD@kvglabs.com> Hi Antoine, On Mar 14, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > If you move slowly, shouldn't the AC fields cancel the "jerk of the > hand" once it happened? Yes. When I was undergoing my apprenticeship, they taught us how to move the demagnetizer slowly toward, then away from the deck. The master engineer would check and critique our ability to demagnetize the recorder by using an Annis gaussmeter. Even with my hand's tendency to shake, I always passed with acceptably-low readings on the degausser. So a rock-steady hand isn't a necessity, you'll find. > Well, you could use a variac with your demag on a mike stand > instead ;-D Actually in some industrial applications (not tape decks, though) the demagnetizer is mounted on a stand and the field varied electronically. But your idea is way more cool! -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 14 23:15:42 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:15:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: A Question about Demag Units In-Reply-To: <031420081331.17967.47DA7E2100099BF60000462F2215553894CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> References: <031420081331.17967.47DA7E2100099BF60000462F2215553894CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47DAF90E.9020301@rcn.com> Ray, After using my 'lowly' demagnetizer, whatever magnetization remains will not even deflect a compass needle (that's as far as I went in testing my unit). I don't know about 'most' consumer demagnetizers but somehow doubt Nakamichi marketed an inadequate product, it's just not the way they did business. Kermit claimed that the stronger a demagenetizer is, the better. This is simply incorrect. Later posts exemplified further lack of understanding. Stating this fact does not constitute an 'attack'. I never slammed the Annis unit. I did state that, once a demagnetizer is strong enough, making it stronger will improve nothing. In fact, it will increase the probability of inadvertently magnetizing the heads. -- Ron rayr0683 at comcast.net wrote: > Since I was a kid I became obsessed with Tape Deck maintenance. Especially in the area of Demagnetization. And as years went by, I studied this subject. The thing I cannot believe about the quibbles in this forum, are that while people get so concerned about what tape to use, an bia points, and subtle differences in sound from deck to deck or tape to tape, the idea of scrimping when it comes to tape deck maintenance, cleaning, etc... is where some people cut corners. I knew what Kermit meant by the HUM......and when responding in a brief post as these, things can be taken out of context. He isnt changing a story....the HUM...is actually an experience....and if you dont have an ANNIS HAN-D-MAG....you wouldn't know what Kermit is speaking about.....I do. > > In many studies in Demag units it has been found that nearly all consumer Demag units can barely remove the Magnetization that occurs on the Hardened Steel of the Tape Guides....only the ANNIS can fully and easily remove this. The heads are not as hard as the guides. But, the Guides must also be Demagnetized, the entire Tape Path. Which is why an ANNIS is needed. To attack a guy the way Kermit was attacked is ridiculous. Also, whether someone has designed a Tape Deck or not, has nothing to do with what he knows about Demagnetizers, and the concept behind them. He did as I did, and contacted the experts in the Field, ANNIS themselves. For anyone to scrimp, and buy the so called Nak look alike Demags on ebay, your cheating yourself. Any owner of a truely good deck, cassette or R2R deserves to maintain it with an ANNIS. I have several units, all of which are better than the Nak Demagger, and they dont compare to the ANNIS, not even close. > > There is a guy with a website Dedicated to AKAI Decks....and he also designs Amplifiers, and is a so called Vintage Equipment Designer....so if those credentials mean anything at all.....He also will argue the point that Demagnetization is an absolute waste of time, and does absolutely nothing to a tape decks performance. He claims it is not at all required. I got into it with him, as he goes completely againts the rules of Tape Path Maintenance. But point is, he redesigns decks, and makes amplifiers, and is a Repair Facility, specializing in all makes of Excellent Tape Decks, but namely AKAI, and he doesnt believe in Demagging. So, that part about someone not desigining a deck, is meaningless in the argument. > > When using an ANNIS HAN-D-MAG, it comes as a whole kit if you wish, explaining the whole concept behind the procedure, and its purpose. You get a Magnetometer, and also Test Strips, for experimental purposes, just to show the concept, along with the Demag unit. And it is the only unit capable of fully demagging Tape Guides, in the Tape path. This is not 1 inch R2R Decks, but al consumer, and Prosumer decks. The feeling is a vibration, sort of thing between the Demag unit, and the deck....and you will feel that difference with an ANNIS over any other Demag unit. Its really not an area to scrimp on dollars for, it will last a lifetime, and give you peace of mind that you have the optimal results. In the Large Repair Facility that I worked in as a Bench Tech, H&R Radio, they used only the best Equipment, and each bench had an ANNIS.....thats why they were the 3rd largest Repair facility in the USA. I wont get caught up in crazy stuff like this either, but I! > feel b > ad for the people who have no clue about this procedure, and someone like Kermit who tries to help, gets stoned for doing so. He is absolutely right, and I have known what he is speaking of for many years, so has ANNIS....and many Repair Centers, and Audiophiles. > > Ray > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: naktalk-request at naks.com >> Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >> naktalk at naks.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> naktalk-request at naks.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> naktalk-owner at naks.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." >> >> >> Naktalk digest mailing list >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: New Feature enhanced 680ZX (Martin & Karen Short) >> 2. Re: New Feature enhanced 680ZX (Tim Barrett) >> 3. Auxiliary device for T-100 (modernizy at netscape.net) >> 4. RE: A Bit of Nakamichi Gauge Confusion (Doug Guth) >> 5. RE: bias issue with Nak Dragon (Gene Ess) >> 6. Re: Response to message 11 Tri mic recording (Tom Brucker) >> 7. Re: A Yellow Nak? (Tom Brucker) >> 8. Re: Re: Response to message 11 Tri mic recording (Tom Brucker) >> 9. Re: Auxiliary device for T-100 (Tom Brucker) >> 10. New Feature enhanced 680ZX (johngipps at aol.com) >> 11. Re : Auxilliary Device for T-100 (johngipps at aol.com) >> 12. A Question about Demag units (soumitra at soumitrab.com) >> 13. Re: A Question about Demag units (Kermit Gray) >> 14. Re: A Yellow Nak? (Grover Zinn (imap)) >> 15. Re: A Question about Demag units (Ron) >> 16. RE: A Yellow Nak? (Steve Ember) >> 17. Re: A lazy BX-150 (Andr? Deurloo) >> 18. RE: bias issue with Nak Dragon (kannan srinivasaraghavan) >> 19. FW: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? (Mark Exstedt) >> 20. Re: A Question about Demag units (Kermit Gray) >> 21. Re: A Question about Demag units (Bansijeff at aol.com) >> 22. Re: A Question about Demag units (Bansijeff at aol.com) >> 23. Re: A Question about Demag units (benstratford at aol.co.uk) >> 24. RE: bias issue with Nak Dragon (Gene Ess) >> 25. Re: bias issue with Nak Dragon (Tom Brucker) >> 26. A Question about Demag units (Kimo B. Yap) >> 27. Re: A Question about Demag units (Kermit Gray) >> 28. Re: A Question about Demag units (Kermit Gray) >> 29. Re: A Question about Demag units (Kermit Gray) >> 30. Re: A Question about Demag units (benstratford at aol.co.uk) >> 31. Re: A Question about Demag units ( Antoine Desch?nes ) >> 32. Re: A Question about Demag units (Bob Naylor) >> 33. Re: A Question about Demag units (Bansijeff at aol.com) >> 34. Re: A Question about Demag units (Ron) >> 35. Re: A Question about Demag units (Ron) >> 36. Re: A Question about Demag units (Ron) >> 37. Re: A Yellow Nak? (BOEING747600 at aol.com) >> 38. RE: bias issue with Nak Dragon (Gene Ess) >> 39. RX-202 Cover (gaoneill at comcast.net) >> 40. RE: A Question about Demag units (Graham A Nelson) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:14:08 +1100 >> From: "Martin & Karen Short" >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Message-ID: <00e101c8843a$92c36e30$0100000a at martinsvdix8fy> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> That is a classic ..wonderous BS.. and ..a must buy... >> You see this so often these people must truely believe what they write.. >> such is the legend of Nakamichi >> >> Looks like a case of slightly sticking pinch rollers or worn mode control >> belt, so you have to wonder how good the service was!! >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:33:40 -0400 >> From: Tim Barrett >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <47D7B184.2060903 at cox.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Actually, it sounds like his capstan belt is wearing out and the tape >> path is unstable for the first few seconds of play. He may be hearing >> the tape path wander and then stabilize in the correct place. >> >> Tim >> >> John Nelson wrote: >>> I just ran across this ad on ebay for a wonderful new feature enhanced >>> 680zx...Item number: 180222609683 >>> Where did this guy get this from.... >>> >>> For sale is a member of my prized collection of stereo equipment, the >>> Nakamichi 680ZX. I was told that Nakamichi produced the Nakamichi >>> 680ZX before the Nakamichi Dragon was released. If you listen closely >>> for 1 to 3 seconds after the playback of a new pre-recorded cassette >>> is initiated in this unit, you will hear the sound brighten, >>> developing a rich fullness. This is the unit's self-adjusting >>> (Auto-Azimuth Adjustment) for maximal response on each cassette tape. >>> This unit does its Auto Azimuth Adjustment transparently without the >>> indicator lights hosted by the Nakamichi Dragon. >>> >>> This unit was purchased in 1980 shortly after my graduation from >>> Graceland University. It has been stored in a cabinet with the rest >>> of my stereo equipment in a smoke-free, climate controlled home. >>> During its last ten years, a surge and spike protector protected it. >>> I am selling this unit because I do not listen to or record cassette >>> tapes as much as I once did. This unit was recently serviced by Audio >>> Mart Service Center in Kansas City, MO. They have serviced all of my >>> high end stereo equipment since 1982. They professionally cleaned the >>> unit and checked all functions and switches. As any Stereo fanatic >>> would expect, it passed with flying colors. As one would imagine, I >>> have moved several times the owner's manual and original box have been >>> lost. For the Nakamichi's journey to your home, I will carefully >>> package it. This unit is for sell only to good home, I want it well >>> cared for, if you have any doubts about this unit, do not bid on it. >>> A collector's item if this value is not expected to go homeless. >>> >>> For this day of selling this prized possession, I did some internet >>> research on this unit. I noticed that a search indicated that >>> downloads of the owner's manual are available for a nominal price. I >>> also found the specs and writings by other admirers of the Nakamichi >>> 680ZX. >>> >>> Nakamichi perfected the art of making the world's finest cassette deck >>> with the 680ZX. This Nakamichi is the known as the finest >>> non-reversing cassette deck with three heads, metal tape support, a >>> half speed mode and a fifty segment meter. The Nakamichi has a full >>> 20-20,000 frequency response on good quality tape with manual bias >>> adjustments. adjustments). It only supports Dolby B noise reduction. >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/bb366c08/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 07:46:45 -0400 >> From: modernizy at netscape.net >> Subject: [naktalk] Auxiliary device for T-100 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: <8CA524DE1E50840-368-36ED at FWM-D42.sysops.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hi, >> >> Another strange device associated with T-100 at German E-bay: >> http://cgi.ebay.de/Geraet-device-for-Nakamichi-T-100-Audio-Analyzer-T-100_W0QQit >> emZ330218517375QQihZ014QQcategoryZ27795QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#eba >> yphotohosting >> >> Any clues or wild guesses? What is it? >> >> Thank you in advance for any information. >> >> Nick. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/82fd43a1/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:59:37 -0400 >> From: Doug Guth >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Bit of Nakamichi Gauge Confusion >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Cc: "hwbosshoss at comcast.net" >> Message-ID: >> <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD4232D1CB5B2 at mail.mmsav.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hi Andy, >> I apologize for my delayed response. We've had a lot of "stuff" happening >> lately and it's been crazy. I have looked through some of my old service >> center requirements and Nakamichi did list the 9047 Stroke Gauge as a required >> gauge for Authorized Service Centers in 1991. They told me that I did not need >> to purchase that particular gauge since we only serviced the newer decks that we >> sold and could send the classics back to Nak. Let me look in my old price list >> when I get home and see what it says. You may want to contact Luis at >> http://peromarta.org/naks/ since he has a "gauge project" underway. He appears >> to have put quite a bit of effort into making calibration tapes and may be the >> guru. Again I'll look at my old parts price list from the '90s and see if it >> has a description of the gauges. >> >> Thanks, >> Doug Guth, CTS >> Field Service Engineer >> Multi Media Services >> 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. >> Greenville, SC 29607 >> (864) 297-8533 >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net [mailto:hwbosshoss at comcast.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:55 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] A Bit of Nakamichi Gauge Confusion >> >> >> Hello, All: >> >> I sent this e-mail to a few Naktalk members but never got a reply, so I'll put >> it out to everyone: >> >> There are two Nakamichi gauges currently on eBay right now: >> >> DA9042 - E.H. Stroke Check Gauge (eBay # 320225056361) >> >> DA9047 - Stroke Check Gauge (incorrectly listed as a Tilt Check Gauge - eBay # >> 320225482656) >> >> I don't know if I need to bid on either one of these, because they look >> identical to gauges that I already own. >> >> The 9047 Stroke Check Gauge looks identical to my 9090 Stroke Check Gauge. >> >> Even more strange, the 9042 E.H. Stroke Check Gauge looks identical to my 9091 >> GUIDE HEIGHT Gauge. (Why are there two different names?) >> >> ARE THESE GAUGES IN FACT IDENTICAL? If they are identical, why are the gauge >> numbers different? >> >> If so, there is no need for me to bid on them. If someone can tell me what >> might be different about the gauges on eBay, or what Nak model(s) the gauges are >> used for, I might consider bidding. But it doesn't look like I need either one >> of these gauges for my collection. >> >> PLEASE ADVISE....THANKS! >> >> >> *andy* >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:46:42 -0400 >> From: "Gene Ess" >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Alex, >> >> Thanks for your advice. I tried your suggestion and it still is no good. >> The Normal and Metal works fine. The Chrome setting, the bias meter reads >> really low. The meter reads very low even with the bias turned all the way >> clockwise. The strange thing is after trying many times, it will finally >> work and I can bias properly but then the next time, the same story. The >> meter measures wrong all the way down on the meter. >> >> I am new to this deck but I am not new to electronics. Can this be a >> trimmer problem on the Chrome/bias? Or maybe some intermittent switch with >> the EQ 120/70 setting? It works like 1 out of 20 tries so I have to get >> this fixed. >> >> Thanks for your time and knowledge. >> >> Gene >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >> Of Alex Cozac >> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:24 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon >> >> >> Hello Gene, >> >> As also own the same deck.... first try to move forth & back all such >> potentiometers EX/SX & ZX...both level & bias for at least one minute each >> one from looking to a clock 07.00 > 17.00 (Trust that you will comprehend >> what I mean!?), as IF such just "Picked' Dragon deck was NOT used for long >> time...this "Free Of Charge" maintenance will help in most case. As you >> wrote the Bias oscillator is working...so from my ample knowledge...what I >> write you will 90% help. >> >> Inform to all of us the results...BTW...also clean extremely well all the >> heads, pinch rollers/capstans & DEGAUSS all very carefully (Deck OFF mains >> plug OFF from the wall...as you are a novice in this matter...my best & >> secure advise!). >> >> Good luck, >> >> Truly, >> >> Alex! >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:09 -0400 >> Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz >> bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put >> the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to >> bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. >> >> It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA >> and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome >> setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be >> wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? >> >> Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Gene >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get >> your "fix". Check it out. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/f06ff7c1/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:03:43 -0600 (GMT-06:00) >> From: Tom Brucker >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Response to message 11 Tri mic recording >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , >> naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> >> <8805101.1205330623394.JavaMail.root at elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> The use of cardoids comes with the concept of "aiming" microphones. I >> exeprienced an epiphany when I used Beyer omnis to record a pit orchestra, and >> heard everything in perfect balance! When using omnis in real space you have to >> choose the correct distance from the sound source to balance direct sound, the >> mixture and balance of sources, and the room sound. This usually means closer >> and higher mic postions. >> Nakamichi mic systems (CM700, CM1000) came with both omni and cardoid >> capsules. The cardoids were better sounding, due to a smoother pattern of rear >> frequency rejection (no lobes), so they were easier to use, or misbehaved less >> perhaps. Even the Nak shotgun capsule could sound musical. It was a Greatful >> Dead "Taper's" standard in a 2 mic setup. >> What fun it would be to have NakTalk copies of Dead concerts done with a 550 >> and CM700s! I'll have to talk to "dancin' Dan" about it. >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: B Morahan >>> Sent: Mar 11, 2008 10:41 PM >>> To: naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: [naktalk] Response to message 11 Tri mic recording >>> >>> Your essay is great but I don't follow one thing. You state that the >>> Nakamichi system improves on the the Bell Labs method by substituting >>> three cardioid mikes for three omni mikes. The Nakamichi Live >>> Recording System Manual states, "In general, however, unless their is >>> good reason to use cardioid microphones, omni-directional microphones >>> are preferred as they will yield superior results." My experience is >>> that the omni mikes "hear" more. I only use cardioid mikes if the >>> audience is too loud. >>> Also: >>> I wanted the recording to sound as experienced by the audience but if >>> I used the setup you described some instruments didn't sound full, >>> notably the piano I put my mikes on the stage and put one near the >>> piano. I guess this may be wrong, it certainly isn't as described in >>> the Nakamichi Live Recording Manual, but it worked for me. If I make a >>> live recording now I use a DAT deck and because there is more dynamic >>> range than my Nak decks, the placement of the mikes is more flexible. >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:16:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00) >> From: Tom Brucker >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , Talk about >> Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: >> >> <12394928.1205331417733.JavaMail.root at elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the "Snake". This groundbreaking and >> expensive deck featured "euro-styling" and 100 hour (really long) recording time >> on a single cassette. To achieve this amazing feat, the deck removed and >> discarded the cassette shell entirely, loaded the magnetic tape into its yellow >> tubular body, and traversed its length with the new "Crystarolypoly" head. >> Multiple tapes could be stored within the tube, making the Nakamichi Snake the >> most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included were Dolby SSSSS, and >> polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and remain largely hidden in the >> grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. >> >> tom brucker >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Roland >>> Sent: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 PM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? >>> >>> Andy, >>> >>> I believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from >>> places like Microswitch,Omron, etc,... >>> >>> >>> >>> At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote: >>> >>>> This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL! >>>> >>>> Maybe it was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over >>>> a long distance for maximum sound coverage! >>>> >>>> >>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ >> 150224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>>> >>>> >>>> *andy* >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:21:44 -0600 (GMT-06:00) >> From: Tom Brucker >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Response to message 11 Tri mic recording >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , B Morahan >> >> Cc: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> >> <2880995.1205331704907.JavaMail.root at elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Kermit, >> I hadn't thought of the transient response issue, but your point makes total >> sense. Cardoids phase shift at selected frequency bands, and phase shift >> destroys transient integrity. I value dynamics over any other recorded sound >> attribute, and have always preferred omnis! Thank you. >> >> tom brucker >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kermit Gray >>> Sent: Mar 11, 2008 11:16 PM >>> To: B Morahan >>> Cc: naktalk at naks.com >>> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Response to message 11 Tri mic recording >>> >>> Ah! Good points, perhaps the word "improved" was unwise on my part, as >>> is the word "superior" used by Nakamichi. We have an issue of >>> historical context here. >>> >>> One of my recording teachers was an assistant to E. C. Wente, one of >>> the engineers who developed the Bell Labs system. They had phasing >>> problems with the omni mikes they used, but in 1928 a directional >>> condensor mike sounded awful, so they stayed with omnis and tried to >>> minimize the phasing problems. Another thing they discovered was that >>> a directional mike minimized room sound, desirable is some but not all >>> circumstances, and also allowed closer spacing of the mikes, also >>> desirable with some subjects, such as small combos. But, again, no >>> directional mike available in 1928 was satisfactory. >>> >>> Both positions are conditionally correct. Omni mikes have superior >>> transient response compared to directional mikes, even today, as shown >>> by the amazing omnis made by Earthworks, Schoeps, and DPA. In the >>> 1970s when Nakamichi created their system, omnis had flatter frequency >>> response, and most small-diaphragm cardioid condensors were noisier, >>> had worse THD, and tended to beam high frequencies. Today, it is >>> possible to make ruler-flat directional condensor mikes that are dead >>> quiet and with just a good THD specs as omnis, such as those made by >>> DPA and Josephson. Many of the quality issues that prompted Nakamichi >>> to criticize cardioids are no longer an issue with many of today's >>> mikes. >>> >>> Use omnis when you want the best possible transient response, in >>> situations where mono compatibility is unneeded, or when the presence >>> of room acoustics and audience noise in the recording is desired or is >>> not unwanted. Placing omnis close in to small subjects, such as jazz >>> combos or string quartets, is problematic but not impossible. There is >>> a tendency for the stereo image to be exaggerated. >>> >>> Use high quality cardioids when you must minimize room acoustics, >>> reduce audience noise, need some (but not perfect) mono compatibility, >>> and are dealing with smaller subjects and have little time to >>> experiment with optimum mike placement. Cardioids will give some >>> freedom to make errors in placement yet still have vivid imaging. >>> Cardioids also let you create a spatial image that has a better- >>> focused center with most subjects. A cardioid will boost bass somewhat >>> and can reduce the effect of low frequency resonance canceling put the >>> amount of bass recorded in rooms with poor acoustics. >>> >>> If the room acoustics are good, omnis will create a better sense of >>> solidity with bass sounds but a slightly fuzzy center image. Cardioids >>> will tighten up the imaging, but the bass, ironically, loses impact in >>> good acoustics. Conversely, with poor room acoustics omnis will >>> usually give muddy and indistinct bass, and cardioids will give better >>> defined bass. >>> >>> A good compromise is to use omnis for the left and right mikes and a >>> cardioid for the center. >>> >>> Professionally, in the 1970s, I seldom ever had time to find optimum >>> placement, so I used high quality cardioid dynamic mikes almost >>> exclusively. This choice avoided the quality issues of cardioid >>> condensor mikes yet gave me the freedom of placement and the ability >>> to reduce venue noise. It also improved reliability because I didn't >>> have to hassle with power supplies or batteries. Today I customarily >>> use the same setup simply because I'm so used to it I don't have to >>> waste time. >>> >>> I accomplished the best recordings of grand piano, string quartets or >>> trios or harpsichord with three spaced Beyerdynamic M160 ribbon mikes. >>> >>> I had a few situations where the instruments didn't sound full with >>> the three mikes placed as shown in the Nakamichi system. This shows a >>> situation where that system is inadequate, so alternate mike placement >>> must be found, as you experienced. >>> >>> >>> On Mar 11, 2008, at 11:41 PM, B Morahan wrote: >>> >>>> Your essay is great but I don't follow one thing. You state that the >>>> Nakamichi system improves on the the Bell Labs method by >>>> substituting three cardioid mikes for three omni mikes. The >>>> Nakamichi Live Recording System Manual states, "In general, however, >>>> unless their is good reason to use cardioid microphones, omni- >>>> directional microphones are preferred as they will yield superior >>>> results." My experience is that the omni mikes "hear" more. I only >>>> use cardioid mikes if the audience is too loud. >>>> Also: >>>> I wanted the recording to sound as experienced by the audience but >>>> if I used the setup you described some instruments didn't sound >>>> full, notably the piano I put my mikes on the stage and put one near >>>> the piano. I guess this may be wrong, it certainly isn't as >>>> described in the Nakamichi Live Recording Manual, but it worked for >>>> me. If I make a live recording now I use a DAT deck and because >>>> there is more dynamic range than my Nak decks, the placement of the >>>> mikes is more flexible. >>> -- Kermit Gray >>> notarbene at kvglabs.com >>> KVG Laboratories >>> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >>> 16371 Lake Point Drive >>> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >>> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >>> Skype ID: triodelicacy >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:32:52 -0600 (GMT-06:00) >> From: Tom Brucker >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Auxiliary device for T-100 >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , >> naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> >> <4668684.1205332372655.JavaMail.root at elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/d8e50ded/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:32:06 -0400 >> From: johngipps at aol.com >> Subject: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: <8CA525C997F9748-1730-12B3 at Webmail-mg19.sim.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hi John >> >> Sounds to me as though the 680ZX in question has quite a common service related >> condition that the owner has decided is a design feature. >> >> In any of the decks with the "classic" transport, if either of the roller >> assemblies are slow to rotate into position, the tape runs initially off correct >> track alignment, since only one roller and capstan pair are engaged - the deck >> is running as a single capstan deck at this time. As soon as the second roller >> assembly (that is gummed up with old lubricant) rotates begrudgingly into >> position, the transport starts behaving like a dual capstan transport, and >> correct track alignment is achieved. When this happens, the sound is dull at >> first with wrong alignment, and then brightens up when correct alignment is >> achieved. This behaviour is quite common. >> >> So I'm inclined to think that this 680ZX is simply in need of service. >> . >> Regards >> >> John Gipps >> >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:53:14 -0500 >> From: "John Nelson" >> Subject: [naktalk] New Feature enhanced 680ZX >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Message-ID: <001701c883e3$d62df4d0$6400000a at John687DEA0AFB> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I just ran across this ad on ebay for a wonderful new feature enhanced >> 680zx...Item number: 180222609683 >> Where did this guy get this from.... >> >> For sale is a member of my prized collection of stereo equipment, the >> Nakamichi 680ZX. I was told that Nakamichi produced the Nakamichi 680ZX >> before the Nakamichi Dragon was released. If you listen closely for 1 to 3 >> seconds after the playback of a new pre-recorded cassette is initiated in >> this unit, you will hear the sound brighten, developing a rich fullness. >> This is the unit's self-adjusting (Auto-Azimuth Adjustment) for maximal >> response on each cassette tape. This unit does its Auto Azimuth Adjustment >> transparently without the indicator lights hosted by the Nakamichi Dragon. >> >> This unit was purchased in 1980 shortly after my graduation from Graceland >> University. It has been stored in a cabinet with the rest of my stereo >> equipment in a smoke-free, climate controlled home. During its last ten >> years, a surge and spike protector protected it. I am selling this unit >> because I do not listen to or record cassette tapes as much as I once did. >> This unit was recently serviced by Audio Mart Service Center in Kansas City, >> MO. They have serviced all of my high end stereo equipment since 1982. >> They professionally cleaned the unit and checked all functions and switches. >> As any Stereo fanatic would expect, it passed with flying colors. As one >> would imagine, I have moved several times the owner's manual and original >> box have been lost. For the Nakamichi's journey to your home, I will >> carefully package it. This unit is for sell only to good home, I want it >> well cared for, if you have any doubts about this unit, do not bid on it. A >> collector's item if this value is not expected to go homeless. >> >> For this day of selling this prized possession, I did some internet research >> on this unit. I noticed that a search indicated that downloads of the owner's >> manual are available for a nominal price. I also found the specs and >> writings by other admirers of the Nakamichi 680ZX. >> >> Nakamichi perfected the art of making the world's finest cassette deck with >> the 680ZX. This Nakamichi is the known as the finest non-reversing cassette >> deck with three heads, metal tape support, a half speed mode and a fifty >> segment meter. The Nakamichi has a full 20-20,000 frequency response on >> good quality tape with manual bias adjustments. adjustments). It only >> supports Dolby B noise reduction. >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/c54942af/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:51:42 -0400 >> From: johngipps at aol.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Re : Auxilliary Device for T-100 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: <8CA525F569ED738-1730-140B at Webmail-mg19.sim.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hi Nick >> >> >> >> Could be lots of things, who knows, it says "filter" - maybe a subsonic filter - >> but one thing I'm confident of - despite the Nakamichi logo on the front panel, >> there's no way Nakamichi made the ugly looking thing. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> John Gipps >> >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Another strange device associated with T-100 at German E-bay: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.de/Geraet-device-for-Nakamichi-T-100-Audio-Analyzer-T-100_ >> >> W0QQitemZ330218517375QQihZ014QQcategoryZ27795QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ >> >> ViewItem#ebayphotohosting >> >> >> >> Any clues or wild guesses? What is it? >> >> >> >> Thank you in advance for any information. >> >> >> >> Nick. >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/362cc088/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:25:52 +0530 >> From: >> Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: >> Message-ID: <004e01c88451$2d146d70$0201a8c0 at mypcrekbacm4qm> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Hi everybody >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about increasing >> its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically this is possible >> ... just wondering how much coiling would be needed ? Would it have to be >> the same guage as the current wire or thinner ? >> Would love to have inputs from all of you. >> >> Regards >> Soumi >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:57:33 -0500 >> From: Kermit Gray >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: soumitra at soumitrab.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> Message-ID: <7FF94AE7-7499-4E1A-9F3E-2E4BB3EE13F1 at kvglabs.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> Hi Soumi, >> >> In essence, a demagnetizer is an electromagnet. >> >> Therefore, Magnetomotive force, designated F can be determined by the >> formula >> >> F = (N * I)/0.796 >> >> Where N = number of turns of wire >> I = current in Amperes >> F = Magnetomotive force measured in Amperes per turn >> >> you then have to do forumlae to determine gap resistance, and the >> fluxivity induced into the core as a function of the wire length as >> well as the number of turns and the fluxivity emitted into an air gap >> as a result. This isn't really something my math skill is up to >> summarizing into an email. >> >> In short, it's not merely double the nubmer of turns and you double >> the field strength. >> >> Given the hassle of adding turns onto an already made unit without >> creating as many problems as you solve, if I were you I'd cheat and >> buy an Annis Han D Mag. Then you have the strongest demagnetizer >> currently made, and one you know does an excellent job. >> >> When I use a Nakamichi DR-10 demagnetizer, you hear a little vibration >> created by the magnetic field. But use an Annis Han D Mag and the tape >> deck hums loudly -- audible testimony of the Annis's power! >> >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2008, at 9:55 AM, > > wrote: >> >>> Hi everybody >>> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >>> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically >>> this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling would be >>> needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current wire or >>> thinner ? >>> Would love to have inputs from all of you. >>> >>> Regards >>> Soumi >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> -- Kermit Gray >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >> Skype ID: triodelicacy >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 14 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:23:42 -0400 >> From: "Grover Zinn (imap)" >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? >> To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi >> Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <1CCEB94E-93F4-4187-BBDB-E0B0CF351137 at oberlin.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII >> >> Thanks for this explanation of the marvelous device! :-) >> >> I would think that the "30w male--50w female" power cord adapter >> listed among the other items on the seller's page (need any orchids or >> an Elivs 45?) is an equally revolutionary "add on" for the nakamichi >> "Snake". Taking the 30w male as the "input" end to be plugged into >> the "output" of the "Snake", the power amplification ( 30 to 50 watts, >> not quite doubling) in such a short, small, and self-powered unit >> would have to be one of the best kept secrets of the audio industry. >> Wonder what else the grass has hidden in it? (perhaps the actual >> picture of the nak purportedly being sold?) >> >> Grover Zinn >> >> Grover Zinn >> William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) >> former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences >> Oberlin College >> Oberlin, OH 44074 >> 440-775-8866 (department) >> grover.zinn at oberlin.edu >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: >> >>> After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the "Snake". This >>> groundbreaking and expensive deck featured "euro-styling" and 100 >>> hour (really long) recording time on a single cassette. To achieve >>> this amazing feat, the deck removed and discarded the cassette shell >>> entirely, loaded the magnetic tape into its yellow tubular body, and >>> traversed its length with the new "Crystarolypoly" head. Multiple >>> tapes could be stored within the tube, making the Nakamichi Snake >>> the most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included were >>> Dolby SSSSS, and polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and >>> remain largely hidden in the grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Roland >>>> Sent: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 PM >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? >>>> >>>> Andy, >>>> >>>> I believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from >>>> places like Microswitch,Omron, etc,... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL! >>>>> >>>>> Maybe it was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over >>>>> a long distance for maximum sound coverage! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ15 >> 0224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *andy* >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>> >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>> hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> hitech at bellsouth.net >>> 615-331-9241 >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 15 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:37:01 -0500 >> From: Ron >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: soumitra at soumitrab.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> Message-ID: <47D830DD.2090407 at rcn.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >>> Hi everybody >>> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >>> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically >>> this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling would be needed ? >>> Would it have to be the same guage as the current wire or thinner ? >>> Would love to have inputs from all of you. >>> >>> Regards >>> Soumi >> Why would you want to increase the magnetic field >> strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize >> the head, achieving the opposite result of what >> you want. >> >> To answer your question: the whole new coil should >> be roughly half the gauge and twice the inductance >> (not twice the number of turns). >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 16 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:40:21 -0400 >> From: Steve Ember >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? >> To: >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> >> >> Bravo, Tom! Sometimes in reading the posts, one gets the feeling Nakamichi >> devotees are somewhat devoid of humor. Thanks for dispelling that notion! >> Now...I'm just wondering...Should we start bombarding the seller with very >> specific questions like ummm, can you post more pictures, like umm showing the >> Play and Record buttons...how fast will it rewind a C-90?...like umm how many >> mic inputs does it have? Does it come with any cassettes? >> >> Gotta hand it to ebay. There may be crooks lurking among the sellers...bozos >> who blindly crib specs in listing their dusty decks...clueless ebay depots >> selling mystery goods, and the like. But ya gotta love mostcreativemantis or >> whatever her name is. Is that not the most "creative" illustration of the >> venerable TriTracer you've ever seen? Whatcha suppose she's been smokin'? >> >> Steve Ember> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:16:57 -0600> From: >> hitech77 at earthlink.net> To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: >> [naktalk] A Yellow Nak?> > After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the "Snake". >> This groundbreaking and expensive deck featured "euro-styling" and 100 hour >> (really long) recording time on a single cassette. To achieve this amazing feat, >> the deck removed and discarded the cassette shell entirely, loaded the magnetic >> tape into its yellow tubular body, and traversed its length with the new >> "Crystarolypoly" head. Multiple tapes could be stored within the tube, making >> the Nakamichi Snake the most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included >> were Dolby SSSSS, and polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and remain >> largely hidden in the grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. > > tom brucker> > >> -----Original Message-----> >From: Roland > >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 >> 6:11 PM> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > ! >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak?> >> >Andy,> >> >I believe that is a >> extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from > >places like >> Microswitch,Omron, etc,...> >> >> >> >At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote:> >> >>>> This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL!> >>> >>Maybe it >> was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over > >>a long distance >> for maximum sound coverage!> >>> >>> >>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ >> 150224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >>> >>>>>>>>>> *andy*> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >>Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========>! >> >> >========-------------------------------------------------! >> -------- >> =========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > >> Hi Tech Service> 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211> >> hitech77 at earthlink.net> hitech at bellsouth.net> 615-331-9241> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/7ef522e4/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 17 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:56:35 +0100 >> From: Andr? Deurloo >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: A lazy BX-150 >> To: hitech77 at earthlink.net, naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: <47D82763.2020208 at xs4all.nl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> Many thanks for your reply. Here's the deal.... >> >> 1. Like you said I played a tape, pressed STOP, turned over the tape and >> pressed PLAY. Over and over again. At least 20 times. The deck played >> happily every single time. >> >> 2. Next I only played a short piece near the end of the tape to trigger >> autostop. When the tape gets to the end and hit autostop I turned over >> the tape, pressed PLAY. The deck played. I did this several times in a >> row, no problem. >> >> So it seems this BX-150 really needs at least 40 minutes of continuous >> playing before it starts misbehaving. >> >> Then something went lost in translation. Because you said: "If so ("the >> deck plays..."), the microprocessor latches (???) when the autostop is >> triggered..." I would need a new micro because of this. Can you please >> explain this a little more? Just for my better understanding... >> >> I do understand, BTW, these micro's are not easy to come by. Unless >> you're willing to do business with some obscure electronics firm in Hong >> Kong Paying a quadzillion dollars for packing and transport, of course. >> >> I have a BX-125 that sounds dull, remember? Does this deck carry the >> particular micro? I guess not because it has no digital counter. If it >> does I could probably "borrow" the micro to see if things improve. >> >> Well, that's it for now before I get to elaborate. >> >> Kinds regards, >> Andre >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 18 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:14:12 -0700 (PDT) >> From: kannan srinivasaraghavan >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <664414.79716.qm at web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Where are you ( your Dragon located)? >> kannan >> >> Gene Ess wrote: >> .hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; >> MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } BODY.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; >> FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } Hi Alex, >> >> Thanks for your advice. I tried your suggestion and it still is no good. The >> Normal and Metal works fine. The Chrome setting, the bias meter reads really >> low. The meter reads very low even with the bias turned all the way clockwise. >> The strange thing is after trying many times, it will finally work and I can >> bias properly but then the next time, the same story. The meter measures wrong >> all the way down on the meter. >> >> I am new to this deck but I am not new to electronics. Can this be a trimmer >> problem on the Chrome/bias? Or maybe some intermittent switch with the EQ >> 120/70 setting? It works like 1 out of 20 tries so I have to get this fixed. >> >> Thanks for your time and knowledge. >> >> Gene >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >> Alex Cozac >> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:24 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon >> >> >> Hello Gene, >> >> As also own the same deck.... first try to move forth & back all such >> potentiometers EX/SX & ZX...both level & bias for at least one minute each one >> from looking to a clock 07.00 > 17.00 (Trust that you will comprehend what I >> mean!?), as IF such just "Picked' Dragon deck was NOT used for long time...this >> "Free Of Charge" maintenance will help in most case. As you wrote the Bias >> oscillator is working...so from my ample knowledge...what I write you will 90% >> help. >> >> Inform to all of us the results...BTW...also clean extremely well all the heads, >> pinch rollers/capstans & DEGAUSS all very carefully (Deck OFF mains plug OFF >> from the wall...as you are a novice in this matter...my best & secure advise!). >> >> Good luck, >> >> Truly, >> >> Alex! >> --------------------------------- >> From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:09 -0400 >> Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz bias >> tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the deck >> in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, the >> meters give really low (and wrong) readings. >> >> It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and >> Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting >> but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And >> who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? >> >> Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Gene >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your >> "fix". Check it out. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/26a2fc1b/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 19 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:39:36 -0600 >> From: Mark Exstedt >> Subject: FW: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? >> To: "naktalk at naks.com" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Interesting. I only knew of the Pioneer cassette changer and believe I have an >> oportunity to buy one. Does anyone know the value of the Pioneer? I believe it >> held some 5-6 tapes.> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:16:57 -0600> From: >> hitech77 at earthlink.net> To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: >> [naktalk] A Yellow Nak?> > After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the 'Snake'. >> This groundbreaking and expensive deck featured 'euro-styling' and 100 hour >> (really long) recording time on a single cassette. To achieve this amazing feat, >> the deck removed and discarded the cassette shell entirely, loaded the magnetic >> tape into its yellow tubular body, and traversed its length with the new >> 'Crystarolypoly' head. Multiple tapes could be stored within the tube, making >> the Nakamichi Snake the most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included >> were Dolby SSSSS, and polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and remain >> largely hidden in the grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. > ! >> > tom brucker> > -----Original Message-----> >From: Roland > >>> Sent: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 PM> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak?> >> >Andy,> >> >I >> believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from > >places >> like Microswitch,Omron, etc,...> >> >> >> >At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote:> >> >>>> This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL!> >>> >>Maybe it >> was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over > >>a long distance >> for maximum sound coverage!> >>> >>> >>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ >> 150224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem> >>> >>>>>>>>>> *andy*> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> >> Naktalk at naks.com! >> mailinglist> >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.co! >> m/mailma >> n/listinfo/naktalk> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > >> Hi Tech Service> 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211> >> hitech77 at earthlink.net> hitech at bellsouth.net> 615-331-9241> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >> ========-------------------------------------------------! >> --------========= >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. >> http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/4b6b5824/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 20 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:30:04 -0500 >> From: Kermit Gray >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: >> >>> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >>>> Hi everybody >>>> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >>>> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >>>> Theoretically this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling >>>> would be needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current >>>> wire or thinner ? >>>> Would love to have inputs from all of you. >>>> Regards >>>> Soumi >>> Why would you want to increase the magnetic field >>> strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize >>> the head, achieving the opposite result of what >>> you want. >> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic >> field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! >> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic >> field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only >> magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. >> >> >> -- Kermit Gray >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >> Skype ID: triodelicacy >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 21 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:03:34 EDT >> From: Bansijeff at aol.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> In a message dated 3/12/2008 3:01:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> ra.ah at rcn.com writes: >> >> Why would you want to increase the magnetic field >> strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize >> the head, achieving the opposite result of what >> you want. >> >> >> >> Yes, ditto, I completely agree. >> JW >> >> >> >> **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >> Finance. 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He'd only >> magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. >> If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just by taking >> the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The idea that the >> Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very powerful one >> probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) is completely >> bogus, and could get you in trouble. >> >> JW >> >> >> >> **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >> Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/72da450d/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 23 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:09:05 -0400 >> From: benstratford at aol.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: <8CA52B5958AF4DC-DF0-21CB at WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be used too often >> - affecting the motors or anything else? >> >> Thanks, Ben >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kermit Gray >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com >> Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote:? >> ? >>> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote:? >>>> Hi everybody? >>>> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> increasing >> its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically this is possible >> ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed ? Would it have to be the >> same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ?? >>>> Would love to have inputs from all of you.? >>>> Regards? >>>> Soumi? >>> ? >>> Why would you want to increase the magnetic field? >>> strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize? >>> the head, achieving the opposite result of what? >>> you want.? >> ? >> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic field >> strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! That's why the >> Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. because it is the >> magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize the heads if he >> incorrectly used the demagnetizer.? >> ? >>> ? >> ? >> -- Kermit Gray? >> notarbene at kvglabs.com? >> KVG Laboratories? >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better? >> 16371 Lake Point Drive? >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA? >> Telephone: 913-422-0957? >> Skype ID: triodelicacy? >> ? >> ? >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? >> ? Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register? >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? >> ? Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist? >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk? >> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/e0cedd4a/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 24 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:29:51 -0400 >> From: "Gene Ess" >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> New York City. >> >> Gene >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf >> Of kannan srinivasaraghavan >> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:14 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon >> >> >> Where are you ( your Dragon located)? >> kannan >> >> Gene Ess wrote: >> Hi Alex, >> >> Thanks for your advice. I tried your suggestion and it still is no >> good. The Normal and Metal works fine. The Chrome setting, the bias meter >> reads really low. The meter reads very low even with the bias turned all >> the way clockwise. The strange thing is after trying many times, it will >> finally work and I can bias properly but then the next time, the same story. >> The meter measures wrong all the way down on the meter. >> >> I am new to this deck but I am not new to electronics. Can this be a >> trimmer problem on the Chrome/bias? Or maybe some intermittent switch with >> the EQ 120/70 setting? It works like 1 out of 20 tries so I have to get >> this fixed. >> >> Thanks for your time and knowledge. >> >> Gene >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Alex Cozac >> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:24 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon >> >> >> Hello Gene, >> >> As also own the same deck.... first try to move forth & back all such >> potentiometers EX/SX & ZX...both level & bias for at least one minute each >> one from looking to a clock 07.00 > 17.00 (Trust that you will comprehend >> what I mean!?), as IF such just "Picked' Dragon deck was NOT used for long >> time...this "Free Of Charge" maintenance will help in most case. As you >> wrote the Bias oscillator is working...so from my ample knowledge...what I >> write you will 90% help. >> >> Inform to all of us the results...BTW...also clean extremely well all >> the heads, pinch rollers/capstans & DEGAUSS all very carefully (Deck OFF >> mains plug OFF from the wall...as you are a novice in this matter...my best >> & secure advise!). >> >> Good luck, >> >> Truly, >> >> Alex! >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:06:09 -0400 >> Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The >> 15kHz bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If >> I put the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into >> Tape to bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. >> >> It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK >> SA and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the >> Chrome setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What >> can be wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? >> >> Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on >> NakTalk. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Gene >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get >> your "fix". 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Try it >> now. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/63a5b195/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 25 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:05:59 -0600 (GMT-06:00) >> From: Tom Brucker >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , >> naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> >> <11296752.1205359559361.JavaMail.root at elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/0cb777d2/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 26 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:20:19 -0700 >> From: "Kimo B. Yap" >> Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> OK, I'm going to risk the ridicule of all the physicist/EEs here (so >> remember I'm a chemist or software guy and this is hardware:-)... >> >> Isn't the confusion here that a demagnetizer is an AC unit so the >> "field" produced is a dynamic field, not a static one (in terms of the >> H vector especially its direction as well as magnitude); increasing >> the coil increases the maxima of the field. >> >> If it were a DC electromagnet, then the stronger constant field would >> be more likely to magnetize the heads. >> >> This is assuming proper usage and all that stuff as well, and it not >> meant to comment on the advisability of doing >> such a thing anyways; probably better just to get something designed >> to produce a bigger field.-kby >> >>> In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >>> notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: >>> >>> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the >>> magnetic >>> field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! >>> D'Oh! >>> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic >>> field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only >>> magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. >>> If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just >>> by taking >>> the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The >>> idea that the >>> Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very >>> powerful one >>> probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) >>> is completely >>> bogus, and could get you in trouble. >>> >>> JW >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/b92550e8/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 27 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:40:03 -0500 >> From: Kermit Gray >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <9998A88C-7F8C-4D5C-BCE9-0354A967871D at kvglabs.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> For the past 33 years I've been using the exact same Annis Han D Mag >> degausser on everything from cassette decks to 2-inch reel-to-reel >> decks with no ill effects. The key is to move the demagnetizer toward >> the heads, then away from the heads s l o w l y and turn it off at >> least 4 feet away. Every white paper I've read on the subject going >> back as far as 1954 says, in essence, "stronger is better" within >> practical limits of making the unit small and hand-holdable. Perhaps >> in theory it is possible to make a demagnetizer "too strong" but in >> practice I've never heard of it nor seen one. But, yes, if you move >> the wand away quickly you can demagnetize the heads. That's an example >> of using the demagnetizer incorrectly. >> >> On Mar 12, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: >> >>> In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >>> writes: >>> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic >>> field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! >>> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic >>> field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only >>> magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. >>> If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just by >>> taking the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. >>> The idea that the Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you >>> need a very powerful one probably designed for massive reel heads >>> (like for 1 inch reels) is completely bogus, and could get you in >>> trouble. >> >> >> -- Kermit Gray >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >> Skype ID: triodelicacy >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/a6121d67/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 28 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:57:10 -0500 >> From: Kermit Gray >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> Hi Ben, >> >> On Mar 12, 2008, at 7:09 PM, benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: >> >>> Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be >>> used too often - affecting the motors or anything else? >>> Thanks, Ben >>> >> Sure, theoretically. I suspect if you used the giant electromagnet >> used in scrapyards to lift cars as a demagnetizer you'd magnetize the >> deck completely and probably ruin motors with permanent magnets as >> well as anything else with a permanent magnet in it. (Yes, this is a >> ridiculous example mean to, illustrate a principle.) But in practice >> I'm very, very skeptical you could make anything hand holdable that >> would damage the deck IF PROPERLY USED. >> >> Annis found a good balance of powerful magnetic fields that are strong >> enough to thoroughly degauss any tape head, yet not damage anything >> else. PLEASE NOTE that if you move ANY demagnetizer too quickly toward >> or away from the heads, or turn it off or on too close to the heads, >> you WILL magnetize the heads. In that same situation, a powerful >> demagnetizer like the Annis could possibly damage something >> magnetically delicate like a moving coil meter. >> >> If you suffered from obsessive-compulsive disorder, yes, you possibly >> could use a demagnetizer too often. How quickly residual magnetism >> builds up depends on several factors, including tape speed, recording >> levels, the >> type of tape, and the composition of the tape heads. How often you >> should demagnetize depends on both how quickly residual magnetism >> builds up and how much quality loss from residual magnetism you are >> willing to >> accept. Slow tape speeds and low recording levels (low fluxivities) >> will require infrequent demagnetizing, while high tape speeds and high >> recording levels (high fluxivities) will require frequent >> demagnetizing. Similarly, if you >> are not willing to allow any quality losses to occur to your tapes >> then you must demagnetize more often. As a rule, I "clean up" at the >> end of a day with a tape recorder, and demagnetize it at the end of >> the day unless it has been used for only a few minutes. >> >> You will hear some persons tell of a demagnetizer actually magnetizing >> a head, or running a moving coil VU meter, or other magnetic mischief, >> but if you look into the matter thoroughly you'll discover the >> demagnetizer was used improperly or was defective. I once saw a >> demagnetizer that, for whatever reason, had developed a short and >> therefore the AC going into its coil was clipped on one half as if a >> diode was across the line. This asymmetrical waveform meant that the >> demagnetizer would MAGNETIZE anything it came into contact with >> instead of demagnetizing. >> >> The misbelief that a demagnetizer can be too strong is based on our >> experiences with magnetizing objects by rubbing them with a magnet or >> placing the object in close proximity to a magnet. But this is not >> what it happening with a true demagnetizer. A demagnetizer applies a >> strong magnetic field strong to totally magnetize the part, then >> reverses the field rapidly to cancel out the magnetism. A demagnetizer >> runs on 60 (50) Hz AC, so the north and south poles of the magnetic >> field reverse 120 (100) times a second. The magnetic field’s strength >> must then be very, very slowly reduced until it reaches zero by slowly >> moving the demagnetizer away from the heads and tape guides. ALWAYS >> REMEMBER that quick, jerky motions will magnetize metal parts and >> will not demagnetize them. Effective demagnetizing applies the >> strongest possible magnetic field to all metal tape path parts. This >> requires that the demagnetizer’s tip makes close contact with the >> parts, because a magnetic field’s strength lowers with the square of >> the distance. So, choose a demagnetizer that creates a strong magnetic >> field, the stronger the better. >> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kermit Gray >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com >>> Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >>> >>> On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: >>> >>>> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >>>>> Hi everybody >>>>> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >>>>> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> >>> Theoretically this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling >>>>> would be needed ? Would it have to be the same guage as the >>> current >> wire or thinner ? >>>>> Would love to have inputs from all of you. >>>>> Regards >>>>> Soumi >>>> Why would you want to increase the magnetic field >>>> strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize >>>> the head, achieving the opposite result of what >>>> you want. >>> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the >>> magnetic field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better >>> demagnetizer! D'Oh! That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far >>> stronger magnetic field. because it is the magnetic field that >>> demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used >>> the demagnetizer. >>> >> -- Kermit Gray >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >> Skype ID: triodelicacy >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/6a53d5e8/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 29 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:03:33 -0500 >> From: Kermit Gray >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <6D3D1118-6B12-4A4B-8C8B-C4EDFBEA179E at kvglabs.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hi Kimo, >> >> Exactly! You win a gold star! >> >> On Mar 12, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> >>> OK, I'm going to risk the ridicule of all the physicist/EEs here (so >>> remember I'm a chemist or software guy and this is hardware:-)... >>> >>> Isn't the confusion here that a demagnetizer is an AC unit so the >>> "field" produced is a dynamic field, not a static one (in terms of the >>> H vector especially its direction as well as magnitude); increasing >>> the coil increases the maxima of the field. >>> >>> If it were a DC electromagnet, then the stronger constant field >>> would be more likely to magnetize the heads. >>> >>> This is assuming proper usage and all that stuff as well, and it not >>> meant to comment on the advisability of doing >>> such a thing anyways; probably better just to get something designed >>> to produce a bigger field.-kby >>> >>>> In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >>>> notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: >>>> >>>> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the >>>> magnetic >>>> field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! >>>> D'Oh! >>>> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic >>>> field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only >>>> magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. >>>> If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just >>>> by taking >>>> the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The >>>> idea that the >>>> Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very >>>> powerful one >>>> probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) >>>> is completely >>>> bogus, and could get you in trouble. >>>> >>>> JW >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> -- Kermit Gray >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >> Skype ID: triodelicacy >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/89524504/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 30 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:23:40 -0400 >> From: benstratford at aol.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: <8CA52C000DB5C0C-DF0-2518 at WEBMAIL-MB16.sysops.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Kermit, thanks for the info and yes, I do suffer from OCD! Could you describe >> the speed of movement of the demag if used properly and do yo >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kermit Gray >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 1:57 pm >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> >> >> Hi Ben, >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2008, at 7:09 PM, benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be used too often >> - affecting the motors or anything else? >> >> Thanks, Ben >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sure, theoretically. I suspect if you used the giant electromagnet used in >> scrapyards to lift cars as a demagnetizer you'd magnetize the deck completely >> and probably ruin motors with permanent magnets as well as anything else with a >> permanent magnet in it. (Yes, this is a ridiculous example mean to, illustrate a >> principle.) But in practice I'm very, very skeptical you could make anything >> hand holdable that would damage the deck IF PROPERLY USED. >> >> >> >> >> Annis found a good balance of powerful magnetic fields that are strong enough to >> thoroughly degauss any tape head, yet not damage anything else. PLEASE NOTE that >> if you move ANY demagnetizer too quickly toward or away from the heads, or turn >> it off or on too close to the heads, you WILL magnetize the heads. In that same >> situation, a powerful demagnetizer like the Annis could possibly damage >> something magnetically delicate like a moving coil meter. >> >> >> >> >> If you suffered from obsessive-compulsive disorder, yes, you possibly could use >> a demagnetizer too often.  How quickly residual magnetism builds up depends on >> several factors, including tape speed, recording levels, the >> >> type of tape, and the composition of the tape heads. How often you should >> demagnetize depends on both how quickly residual magnetism builds up and how >> much quality loss from residual magnetism you are willing to >> >> accept. Slow tape speeds and low recording levels (low fluxivities) will require >> infrequent demagnetizing, while high tape speeds and high recording levels >> (high fluxivities) will require frequent demagnetizing. Similarly, if you >> >> are not willing to allow any quality losses to occur to your tapes then you must >> demagnetize more often. As a rule, I "clean up" at the end of a day with a tape >> recorder, and demagnetize it at the end of the day unless it has been used for >> only a few minutes.  >> >> >> >> >> You will hear some persons tell of a demagnetizer actually magnetizing a head, >> or running a moving coil VU meter, or other magnetic mischief, but if you look >> into the matter thoroughly you'll discover the demagnetizer was used improperly >> or was defective.  I once saw a demagnetizer that, for whatever reason, had >> developed a short and therefore the AC going into its coil was clipped on one >> half as if a diode was across the line. This asymmetrical waveform meant that >> the demagnetizer would MAGNETIZE anything it came into contact with instead of >> demagnetizing. >> >> >> >> >> >> The misbelief that a demagnetizer can be too strong is based on our experiences >> with magnetizing objects by rubbing them with a magnet or placing the object in >> close proximity to a magnet. But this is not what it happening with a true >> demagnetizer. A demagnetizer applies a strong magnetic field strong to totally >> magnetize the part, then reverses the field rapidly to cancel out the >> magnetism. A demagnetizer runs on 60 (50) Hz AC, so the north and south poles of >> the magnetic field reverse 120 (100) times a second. The magnetic field’s >> strength must then be very, very slowly reduced until it reaches zero by slowly >> moving the demagnetizer away from the heads and tape guides. ALWAYS REMEMBER >> that quick, jerky motions will magnetize metal parts and will not demagnetize >> them. Effective demagnetizing applies the strongest possible magnetic field to >> all metal tape path parts. This requires that the demagnetizer’s tip makes >> close contact with the parts, because a magnet! >> ic field’s strength lowers with the square of the distance. So, choose a >> demagnetizer that creates a strong magnetic field, the stronger the better. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kermit Gray >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com >> Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: >>  >>> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >>>> Hi everybody >>>> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> increasing >> its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically this is possible >> ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed ? Would it have to be the >> same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ? >>>> Would love to have inputs from all of you. >>>> Regards >>>> Soumi >>>  >>> Why would you want to increase the magnetic field >>> strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize >>> the head, achieving the opposite result of what >>> you want. >>  >> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic field >> strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! That's why the >> Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. because it is the >> magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize the heads if he >> incorrectly used the demagnetizer. >>  >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Kermit Gray >> >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> >> KVG Laboratories >> >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >> >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >> >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >> >> Skype ID: triodelicacy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> = >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> =======---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> aintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> =======---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/66752bc0/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 31 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:22:51 -0400 >> From: " Antoine Desch?nes " >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> Message-ID: >> <17d5ee910803121722u469ece54j34bb3e9a74371ed0 at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Isn't it the reason why they always say to walk away slowly from the >> head before turning the demagnetizer off? >> >> 2008/3/12, Bansijeff at aol.com : >>> >>> In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >>> notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: >>> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic >>> field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! >>> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic >>> field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only >>> magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. >>> If a demagnetizer is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just by taking >>> the wand away from the heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The idea that the >>> Nak demagger is too weak to do a good job, and you need a very powerful one >>> probably designed for massive reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) is >>> completely bogus, and could get you in trouble. >>> >>> JW >>> >>> >> -- >> Antoine Deschênes >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 32 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:54:48 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Bob Naylor >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <375061.36862.qm at web82303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Jeff, Can't you magnetize the heads by moving the de-magnetizer away from the >> heads too fast? I always move the de-magnetizer away from the heads v e r y s >> l o w l y. Bob >> >> Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/12/2008 4:34:24 P.M. Pacific >> Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: >> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic >> field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! >> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic >> field. because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only >> magnetize the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. If a demagnetizer >> is too strong, you can magnetize the heads just by taking the wand away from the >> heads. I'm with Ron on this one. The idea that the Nak demagger is too weak >> to do a good job, and you need a very powerful one probably designed for massive >> reel heads (like for 1 inch reels) is completely bogus, and could get you in >> trouble. >> >> JW >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> It's Tax Time! 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Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/9c406086/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 33 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:33:53 EDT >> From: Bansijeff at aol.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> In a message dated 3/12/2008 5:41:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: >> >> Perhaps in theory it is possible to make a demagnetizer "too strong" but in >> practice I've never heard of it nor seen one. But, yes, if you move the wand >> away quickly you can demagnetize the heads. That's an example of using the >> demagnetizer incorrectly. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In one of your ealier posts you comment - >> "When I use a Nakamichi DR-10 demagnetizer, you hear a little vibration >> created by the magnetic field. But use an Annis Han D Mag and the tape >> deck hums loudly -- audible testimony of the Annis's power!" >> >> In my book, that qualifies as using a demagnetizer incorrectly. >> >> Jeff W >> >> >> >> >> >> **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >> Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/0d97da19/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 34 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:44:00 -0500 >> From: Ron >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <47D8A300.70002 at rcn.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Kermit Gray wrote: >>> On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: >>> >>>> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >>>>> Hi everybody >>>>> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >>>>> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. Theoretically >>>>> this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling would be needed >>>>> ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current wire or thinner ? >>>>> Would love to have inputs from all of you. >>>>> Regards >>>>> Soumi >>>> Why would you want to increase the magnetic field >>>> strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize >>>> the head, achieving the opposite result of what >>>> you want. >>> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic >>> field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! >> Not really. Once the magnetic field is enough >> to penetrate the head, any addition is bad. >> That's because demagnetization relies on >> reducing the field *smoothly and slowly*. Any >> abrupt motion actually magnetizes the head. >> When the demagnetizer is too strong, this is >> more apt to happen. >> >>> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. >>> because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. >> Not so. A magnetic field magnetizes. It is the >> slow and absolutely even decay of the field that >> demagnetizes. Since the Annis is too powerful it >> is not better, except in your imagination. >> >>> He'd only magnetize >>> the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. >> Bull! Even a small shake of the hand will cause >> magnetization; and, the stronger the field, the >> the more apt this is to happen. >> >> How well did you do in Fields 101? Did you even >> take it at all? >> >> -- Ron >> >> >>> -- Kermit Gray >>> notarbene at kvglabs.com >>> KVG Laboratories >>> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >>> 16371 Lake Point Drive >>> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >>> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >>> Skype ID: triodelicacy >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 35 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:46:10 -0500 >> From: Ron >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <47D8A382.9060009 at rcn.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> >> Too long? No! You may use it all day long with >> no ill effects. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: >>> Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be used >>> too often - affecting the motors or anything else? >>> Thanks, Ben >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kermit Gray >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com >>> Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >>> >>> On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: >>> >>> > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >>> >> Hi everybody >>> >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> >>> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically >>> this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed >>> ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ? >>> >> Would love to have inputs from all of you. >>> >> Regards >>> >> Soumi >>> > >>> > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field >>> > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize >>> > the head, achieving the opposite result of what >>> > you want. >>> >>> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic >>> field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! >>> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. >>> because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize >>> the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. >>> >>> > >>> >>> -- Kermit Gray >>> notarbene at kvglabs.com >>> KVG Laboratories >>> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >>> 16371 Lake Point Drive >>> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >>> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >>> Skype ID: triodelicacy >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar >>> >>> for your browser. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 36 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:54:20 -0500 >> From: Ron >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: <47D8A56C.6010301 at rcn.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> >> Once a demagnetizer field is strong enough to >> penetrate the head, there is zero advantage >> in making is stronger. Actually, there is a >> disadvantage, due to the increased possibility >> of magnetizing the head if it is not withdrawn >> smoothly. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: >>> Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be used >>> too often - affecting the motors or anything else? >>> Thanks, Ben >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kermit Gray >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com >>> Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >>> >>> On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: >>> >>> > soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: >>> >> Hi everybody >>> >> I have a Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> >>> increasing its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically >>> this is possible ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed >>> ? Would it have to be the same guage as the current >> wire or thinner ? >>> >> Would love to have inputs from all of you. >>> >> Regards >>> >> Soumi >>> > >>> > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field >>> > strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize >>> > the head, achieving the opposite result of what >>> > you want. >>> >>> Uh, Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic >>> field strength of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! >>> That's why the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. >>> because it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize >>> the heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. >>> >>> > >>> >>> -- Kermit Gray >>> notarbene at kvglabs.com >>> KVG Laboratories >>> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >>> 16371 Lake Point Drive >>> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >>> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >>> Skype ID: triodelicacy >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 37 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:23:08 EDT >> From: BOEING747600 at aol.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Please give that poor seller at ebay a break! I am sure he got the titles >> mixed up! Ali >> >> >> In a message dated 3/12/2008 5:56:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> Grover.Zinn at oberlin.edu writes: >> >> Thanks for this explanation of the marvelous device! :-) >> >> I would think that the "30w male--50w female" power cord adapter >> listed among the other items on the seller's page (need any orchids or >> an Elivs 45?) is an equally revolutionary "add on" for the nakamichi >> "Snake". Taking the 30w male as the "input" end to be plugged into >> the "output" of the "Snake", the power amplification ( 30 to 50 watts, >> not quite doubling) in such a short, small, and self-powered unit >> would have to be one of the best kept secrets of the audio industry. >> Wonder what else the grass has hidden in it? (perhaps the actual >> picture of the nak purportedly being sold?) >> >> Grover Zinn >> >> Grover Zinn >> William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) >> former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences >> Oberlin College >> Oberlin, OH 44074 >> 440-775-8866 (department) >> grover.zinn at oberlin.edu >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: >> >>> After the Dragon, Nakamichi produced the "Snake". This >>> groundbreaking and expensive deck featured "euro-styling" and 100 >>> hour (really long) recording time on a single cassette. To achieve >>> this amazing feat, the deck removed and discarded the cassette shell >>> entirely, loaded the magnetic tape into its yellow tubular body, and >>> traversed its length with the new "Crystarolypoly" head. Multiple >>> tapes could be stored within the tube, making the Nakamichi Snake >>> the most versitile of the cassette changers. Also included were >>> Dolby SSSSS, and polarized interconnects. Snakes sold sparingly and >>> remain largely hidden in the grass, selling only to rich pot-heads. >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Roland >>>> Sent: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 PM >>>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Yellow Nak? >>>> >>>> Andy, >>>> >>>> I believe that is a extension cable for 3-wire plugable sensors from >>>> places like Microswitch,Omron, etc,... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At 07:50 AM 3/11/2008, you wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is the strangest Nakamichi design I have ever seen. LOL! >>>>> >>>>> Maybe it was designed this way so that you could stretch it out over >>>>> a long distance for maximum sound coverage! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-550-Dual-Tracer-Stereo-Cassette-System_W0QQitemZ15 >> 0224740493QQihZ005QQcategoryZ48646QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *andy* >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ========= >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ========= >>> >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>> hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> hitech at bellsouth.net >>> 615-331-9241 >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> >> **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >> Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/697ac5bc/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 38 >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:24:02 -0400 >> From: "Gene Ess" >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon >> To: "Tom Brucker" , "Talk about Nakamichi >> Cassette Decks" >> Cc: Gene Ess >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> Thank you for your response. I'll try your method and see. I know I can do a >> pretty good job by ear as I am a musician and also have mixed and mastered jazz >> CDs. >> >> It finally biased with a TDK SA tape after restarting the whole level/bias >> process over and over like 30 times. The strange thing is the next time I try >> to bias, I have to go through this whole ordeal again. Spend 30 minutes doing >> something that should take couple of minutes. Not sure why the normal and metal >> settings are fine. Just the chrome... >> >> It looks like it does not record the 15kHz tone most of the time and on some >> lucky occasion, it does and the bias works. >> >> Gene >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of >> Tom Brucker >> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:06 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon >> >> >> Gene, >> >> Your Dragon is fine. It is in "overbias" condition. To get back on track, set >> level to 12 o'clock and bias to the same. You will do this by feel since the >> knobs have no mark. Record the level (400Hz) and note the meter reding, then >> switch to bias. If the meters read higher levels, turn the bias knobs CCW and >> then go back and forth with level set. If the meters read lower, turn the bias >> CW to 1 o'clock and run the test again. What we are looking for is a bias level >> that gives us the same meter levels on both level and bias tests, and then we >> set the level. If not, set bias at 2 o'clock.... >> >> An alternate approach is to record music. Set the level to 12 o'clock, >> bias all the way CCW. Press record and slowly rotate the bias setting CW 1 >> "hour" for each 10 counts on the tape counter. Rewind the tape and play. When >> the frequency response seems flat, note the counter reading and set the bias >> controls at that "hour". Now use the level and bias calibrations to complete the >> setup. >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gene Ess >> Sent: Mar 11, 2008 5:06 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz >> bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the >> deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, >> the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. >> >> It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and >> Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting >> but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And >> who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? >> >> Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Gene >> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080312/86871318/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 39 >> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:42:22 +0000 >> From: gaoneill at comcast.net >> Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Cover >> To: naktalk at naks.com, >> Message-ID: >> >> <031320080242.19432.47D8948E0003DC3200004BE822069984990404070A02010E09 at comcast.n >> et> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> I'm new to this discussion forum, so this question may have already been >> answered in the past. I recently purchased an RX-202 that is functionally >> excellent: it has the gear upgrade, has been re-calibrated recently, etc... It >> is, however, missing the plastic cassette cover for the front. Is there some >> way I can find and buy the cover? >> >> Thanks. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20080313/3dac0fef/attach >> ment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 40 >> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:26:05 -0000 >> From: "Graham A Nelson" >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" >> Message-ID: <155FD4370DDF4A7C8E0975BFD53DC1D4 at GrahamNPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Well, that's precisely what they taught us at school in Physics, that it >> didn't really matter how strong was the magnetic force - if it were an AC >> magnet it couldn't magnetise anything IF it were removed away from an object >> slow enough as to leave the poles (?) in random order. This was >> demonstrated by using a large lab' made electromagnet, and a heavy bag of >> nails. The demag' was first applied to the bag of nails with an AC current >> and switched off on the bag. As the physics predicted, all the little >> pointed chaps were magnetised and mostly stuck together in train, flat or >> sharp end, depending on their polarity. Those closest to the electro magnet >> seemed to be the strongest new magnets. Then the AC demag was applied again >> but this time, removed slowly. Hey presto! The nails were no longer diddy >> magnets! The teacher then went on to apply a DC current to the electro >> magnet. He slowly closed in on the nails, left it there with them for a few >> moments. Once more, the nails had become magnetised again. He then, >> switched the magnet back on again and removed it very slowly, and then >> demonstrated the nails were still magnetised as before. >> >> This is the good bit ... He then took out one magnetised nail from the bag, >> and demonstrated the strength of its power with some paper clips (counting >> the number of clips it could lift.) That done, he proceeded to beat the sh#t >> out of the nail with a very large hammer. Back to the paper clips, he then >> demonstrated that the hammer blows had partially demagnetised the nail since >> it could no longer lift as many paper clips. >> >> So, there you have it, guys - if you can't afford a Nak wand, the Sony >> horseshoe or Kermit's favourite demag', smash the heads of your beloved >> machine with a hammer ... Guaranteed to work everytime! >> >> Seriously, I suspect demags like the Nak or Sony, were built to a minimum >> cost - sufficient to do an adequate job and cheap enough to make it a viable >> price to a mass amateur market, whereas Kermit's more powerful model was >> probably made to a higher specification, and cost more, in line for the more >> demanding needs of the professional recordists. At least, that's my theory. >> >> Gra' >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >> Of Antoine Deschênes >> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:23 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >> >> >> Isn't it the reason why they always say to walk away slowly from the head >> before turning the demagnetizer off? From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 14 23:17:10 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:17:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <47DA7FC4.9090401@yahoo.ca> References: <17d5ee910803121722u469ece54j34bb3e9a74371ed0@mail.gmail.com> <47D93EB5.5080501@rcn.com> <47DA7FC4.9090401@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <47DAF966.5030104@rcn.com> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > If you move slowly, shouldn't the AC fields cancel the "jerk of the > hand" once it happened? Depends on how big the jerk is :-). > > Well, you could use a variac with your demag on a mike stand instead ;-D > > Ron a écrit : >> Well, I said 'slowly and smoothly'. The 'Slowly' >> part is because the field alternates 60 times a >> second (50, if you're across the pond) and >> movement between alternations should be very >> small. The 'smoothly' part is because any jerk >> of the hand, especially when the demagnetizer >> field around the head is still strong, will >> magnetize the head, rather than demagnetize it. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 14 23:19:50 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:19:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] vertical placement In-Reply-To: <21633285.1205506214395.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <21633285.1205506214395.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47DAFA06.6000603@rcn.com> Tom Brucker wrote: > Well the RX303 puts the mechanism upside down, so I don't see why > sideways wouldn't work. Oh?? I assumes 'vertically' meant, sitting on its rear, with the front panel up. -- Ron > > > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: SheldO > Sent: Mar 14, 2008 1:07 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] vertical placement > > I have a BX-2 that i LOVE and have been using for years. My setup > has changed slightly and it works best for me to have the cassette > deck standing up vertically. It seems to be playing fine that way > and have no reason to believe that it should effect recording and > playback. I was just wanting some feedback on this. Thanks! > > SheldO > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Fri Mar 14 22:38:58 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:38:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Gene! Yes The NAAC azimuth feature use a belt...it's possible as Tom suggest you that such belt is loose, or more bad is broken for so the NAAC system don't work. Check it! Good luck, Alex! From: gene at jazzgenemusic.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak DragonDate: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:47:23 -0400CC: geneess at nyc.rr.com Hello Alex, I did try your way and it just does not work for my deck. I rotated the bias trimmer for like 1 minute each but no luck. Eventually, if I keep trying, the bias meter will jump and I can bias but the next time, I have to go through this long process again. I hear faint clicking noise in both play and record on all tapes. Tom suggested a bad NACC system. I'll take a look at the service manual. regards, Gene -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex CozacSent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:13 AMTo: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak DragonBravo Tom! Yes what you explicated to gene I 100% agreed! maine because was "Resting' for 10 years also has the same "Failure"...but I move forth & back at least 20 times EACH Level & Bias knob till after 20 times I set them ALL CCW (07.00 if you look at a clock)... mark them with a Red point...gripped the knob move CW till stop (17.00 if you look again a clock)...as the red mark point will show me where I'm...it's very easily to set all of them to the middle point as you wrote "12 o'clock"...& after patiently with each side of the same cassette adjust the Level & after the Bias. Gene...take in account that this process MUST be do it in EACH NEWER CASSETTE that you selected to record...whatever brand you have in possession!!!. Better if you wait till the counter run at last 1/2 minute from the tape leader...so the tape will be not curly or something like that that with my bad English don't know how to explain you...but I relay on your ample comprehending. Good luck & commence enjoining your new "Toy"...! Peace, Alex! From: gene at jazzgenemusic.comTo: hitech77 at earthlink.net; naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak DragonDate: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:24:02 -0400CC: Gene at jazzgenemusic.com Hi Tom, Thank you for your response. I'll try your method and see. I know I can do a pretty good job by ear as I am a musician and also have mixed and mastered jazz CDs. It finally biased with a TDK SA tape after restarting the whole level/bias process over and over like 30 times. The strange thing is the next time I try to bias, I have to go through this whole ordeal again. Spend 30 minutes doing something that should take couple of minutes. Not sure why the normal and metal settings are fine. Just the chrome... It looks like it does not record the 15kHz tone most of the time and on some lucky occasion, it does and the bias works. Gene -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tom BruckerSent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:06 PMTo: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak DragonGene, Your Dragon is fine. It is in "overbias" condition. To get back on track, set level to 12 o'clock and bias to the same. You will do this by feel since the knobs have no mark. Record the level (400Hz) and note the meter reding, then switch to bias. If the meters read higher levels, turn the bias knobs CCW and then go back and forth with level set. If the meters read lower, turn the bias CW to 1 o'clock and run the test again. What we are looking for is a bias level that gives us the same meter levels on both level and bias tests, and then we set the level. If not, set bias at 2 o'clock.... An alternate approach is to record music. Set the level to 12 o'clock, bias all the way CCW. Press record and slowly rotate the bias setting CW 1 "hour" for each 10 counts on the tape counter. Rewind the tape and play. When the frequency response seems flat, note the counter reading and set the bias controls at that "hour". Now use the level and bias calibrations to complete the setup.tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ess Sent: Mar 11, 2008 5:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] bias issue with Nak Dragon Hi, Just picked up a Dragon. It have this strange issue, though. The 15kHz bias tone in the Chrome tape position does not function properly. If I put the deck in Source, I can hear the high tone but when I put it into Tape to bias, the meters give really low (and wrong) readings. It works properly in Metal and Normal tape modes. I tried both TDK SA and Maxell UDXL II. The thing is occasionally, it will work in the Chrome setting but most of the time, it just gives a wrong reading. What can be wrong? And who is the best Nak repair in the U.S.? Thanks and I am looking forward to my new membership here on NakTalk. Best regards, Gene Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. Play now! _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jetzt freischalten! http://freemail.web.de/club/maxdome.htm/?mc=025557 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 15 01:45:37 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <47DA92ED.6090809@rcn.com> Message-ID: <233913.92325.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, You mentioned yours is an Allied. Allied was a Radio Shack brand years ago. I have a radio shack de magg that I bought back in the 70's. I'll have to look at it again but for all I know it's an Allied also. I have never had the capability of measuring it's magnetic field but I can tell you that I've gotten a few used decks, cassette and reel to reel, that lacked the high freqs. This cheapo that I own brought back the decks highs just fine. Maybe something better may do the job better but the Naks that I own make recordings that are very hard to distinguish between the tape and the original. Bob N Ron wrote: Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > I have owned several decent demaggers over the years. I even had a piece > of junk from Rat Shack. My Teac is decent. But once my Annis Han-D-Mag > arrived I realized the others were toys. ken, I am curious as to how you arrived at this conclusion. Did you measure the magnetic field? If so, how? > It also came with a nice white > paper on proper use. They also sell a magnetometer which will show if > any magnetism is left. I don't have one but plan to find one soon. They > are built to last a lifetime, then another. Well, my cheapo Allied demagnetizer has already lasted a lifetime of regular use and I am not too concerned about it lasting a second one. BTW, the Nak demagnetizer looks exactly the same and is far from cheap. > They are made the way things > were back in the old days that said "Made in USA " . Highly recommended. > Kermit is spot on about this, as usual. Again: how do you know this? The only claim Kermit made was that the stronger the demagnetizer, the better -- and this is patently incorrect. Can you offer an explanation as to how he is 'spot on'? -- Ron > Do make sure the deck is turned > off when you use it! > > Ken > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Thanks, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Steve Ember To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 7:42 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units Boys, boys, boys... ? Can we please NOW place the Annis, Sony, TEAC, or Nakamichi demagnetizer in the drawer, to be removed and used on our precious decks every ten hours, every time you make a timeless recording, or your own time-tested interval...agree that the deck should be turned off to prevent any nervous breakdowns from passing high-amplitude hum to the rest of the audio chain...not worry too much about which unit induces the loudest hum when brought near metal surfaces...and all agree that it should be withdrawn slowly, and the power turned off after it is a safe distance from the deck?? Oh, yes, and keep the demag away from any recorded cassettes... ? The way this is going, we'll next be chewing through learned discussions of the metallurgy behind building the covers for RX-202's versus the Dragon. ? Me, I'm gonna stop opening such tomes...and go enjoy a Brahms symphony or some Bert Kaempfert on one of my lovely cleaned and demagged Nak decks.? Seems to me, that was why I've bought these wonderful machines... ? Just a thought and no offense to those techier than I! ? Steve Ember From: notarbene at kvglabs.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:12:45 -0500 I's both. The AC magnetic field of a demagnetizer vibrates ferrous metals in the deck (as well as itself), the more powerful the field the greater the vibration, that's all I'm saying. So what?? ? On Mar 13, 2008, at 5:00 PM, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/13/2008 2:08:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: In one of your ealier posts you comment - "When I use a Nakamichi DR-10 demagnetizer, you hear a little vibration? created by the magnetic field. But use an Annis Han D Mag and the tape? deck hums loudly -- audible testimony of the Annis's power!" ? In my book, that qualifies as using a demagnetizer incorrectly.? (JW's reply) ? Actually the demagnetizer itself hums, so I fail to see the validity of your statement.? ? ? So you're changing your story, it's the demagger that hums, not the deck? Jeff W --?Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012?USA Telephone:?913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 15 01:54:51 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <47DA9916.5050303@rcn.com> Message-ID: <114572.98659.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron, I see your point on "just enough to do the job" If you have a de mag that is just enough to do the job, then it does the job, right? I don't see the point in having such a strong magnetic field the the tool doesn't have to get so close to the object you are trying to demag. I would think I would ONLY want to demag the part that I want to demag and nothing else around it for whatever reason. I'm thinking that a stronger magnetic field will radiate further away from the tool which doesn't seem to do any good. Example, if I'm demagging the head, then I don't need the magnetic field reaching the next room! Exaggeration of course. OK guys, am I off base with this? Bob N Ron wrote: OK, I'll concede this depends on losses in the head (which are ridiculously low at 60Hz), so maybe 'all day' is stretching it. OTOH, maybe that would be harmful when the field is very strong and not so when it is just enough to do the job? -- Ron Kermit Gray wrote: > somewhat correct. > > As R. B. Annis points out "cooking" the steel in an AC magnetic field > heats it up over time, which is how induction cooktops work, by the way. > > > On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Ron wrote: > >> >> Too long? No! You may use it all day long with >> no ill effects. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: >>> Another thought about demagnetisers: Can they be too strong or be >>> used too often - affecting the motors or anything else? >>> Thanks, Ben >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kermit Gray >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Cc: soumitra at soumitrab.com >>> Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:30 pm >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units >>> On Mar 12, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Ron wrote: > soumitra at soumitrab.com >>> wrote: >> Hi everybody >> I have a >>> Nak demag unit (110V) and i have always wondered about >> increasing >>> its windings for a stronger magnetic field. >> Theoretically this is >>> possible ... just wondering how much coiling >> would be needed ? >>> Would it have to be the same guage as the current >> wire or thinner >>> ? >> Would love to have inputs from all of you. >> Regards >> >>> Soumi > > Why would you want to increase the magnetic field > >>> strength? If you do, you could easily magnetize > the head, >>> achieving the opposite result of what > you want. Uh, Ron, I don't >>> know how to tell you this but increasing the magnetic field strength >>> of a demagnetizer makes it a better demagnetizer! D'Oh! That's why >>> the Annis is better -- it has a far stronger magnetic field. because >>> it is the magnetic field that demagnetizes. He'd only magnetize the >>> heads if he incorrectly used the demagnetizer. > -- Kermit Gray >>> notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories >>> Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner >>> Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: >>> triodelicacy >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your >>> account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Supercharge your AIM. 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Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Mar 15 01:55:17 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:55:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Whoops, I Mis-Spoke... Message-ID: <031520080055.22207.47DB1E75000C4663000056BF22155754749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Greetings, All: I was inaccurate--and maybe "incomplete" would also apply--regarding my comments about the DA 9042 E.H. Stroke Check Gauge currently on eBay. I had said that the DA 9042 gauge on eBay was identical to my DA 9091 Guide Height Gauge "S". It is NOT identical to my DA 9091 gauge, only very similar. But the DA 9042 gauge on eBay IS almost 100 percent identical to my DA 9051 E.H. Stroke Check Gauge. I have studied my gauge and the photos of the eBay gauge and can find NO difference whatsoever, except for the *slightly* angled end of the take-up guide gauge evident on the DA 9042. My DA 9051's take-up guide gauge has a perfectly flat end, not angled. This is absolutely the ONLY difference between DA 9042 and DA 9051. The supply take-up guide gauge portion is totally identical. I am currently repairing a 582. On this particular deck, I had to remove the take-up pinch roller assembly in order to free up some extremely hardened grease. Needless to say, I had to make sure that the take-up guide was properly re-aligned when I re-installed the pinch roller. In the 582 service manual, the DA 9042 gauge is specified for adjusting guide height. But my DA 9051 worked perfectly in this context. It is, after all, THE SAME GAUGE, other than the *slight* difference in the way the end of the take-up guide gauge is designed. The way I see it, the angle of the take-up guide end is pretty irrelevant as long as the guide can penetrate into the deck's tape guide for the purposes of checking alignment. My DA 9051 had no problems mating with the 582's take-up guide. Obviously, DA 9042 and DA 9051 are variations on one design. So my question is this: Why would they see fit to refine such a simple design that does such a simple task? DA 9051 was perfect for the job. And I'm betting that the reverse is true--anyone working on a deck that specifies DA 9051 could probably get away with using DA 9042 instead. Special thanks to Tom and Doug for e-mailing some background info to me. *andy* From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Mar 15 04:56:36 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:56:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <5DE27F46-0258-47A3-B354-D8C04D701EAD@kvglabs.com> References: <17d5ee910803121722u469ece54j34bb3e9a74371ed0@mail.gmail.com> <47D93EB5.5080501@rcn.com> <47DA7FC4.9090401@yahoo.ca> <5DE27F46-0258-47A3-B354-D8C04D701EAD@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <20080315035637.VVVO24940.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> > >>Well, you could use a variac with your demag on a mike stand >>instead ;-D > >Actually in some industrial applications (not tape decks, though) the >demagnetizer is mounted on a stand and the field varied >electronically. But your idea is way more cool! Kermit, you beat me to it but I was going to bring up the method that toolmakers use to demagnetize bit pieces when they 'grind' on a Bridgeport or a similar motion. Obviously, a tool shop with 40 toolmakers with Han-D-Mags in hand going forward and back to demagnetize small pieces would look funny and time consuming! The types that I've seen is a flat surface and the pieces are place on it. When energized, the magnetic field is started off high and then reduced to demag the pieces. >-- Kermit Gray >notarbene at kvglabs.com >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to Make Your Music Better >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >Telephone: 913-422-0957 >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Mar 15 12:50:25 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:50:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <47DA7FC4.9090401@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <72FD8C73874C41FBA44F825C9945E8C3@GrahamNPC> As I understood from the lesson and demonstration I was given, something like a jerk (and I DON'T mean someone who is stupid, although this might apply in this situation!) COULD cause some small measure of magnetism IF the motion were a movement backwards that was not subsequently re-covered. This would be because the strength of the demagnetising process would miss part of that which was being degaussed. Hence, what we've already heard - a slow, gradual, smooth withdrawal of the demag device is important. Of course, one must remember not to switch off the demag until the withdrawal is complete, unlike someone I knew who used to switch it off at the cassette deck - now, THAT'S a jerk! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:38 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units If you move slowly, shouldn't the AC fields cancel the "jerk of the hand" once it happened? Well, you could use a variac with your demag on a mike stand instead ;-D Ron a écrit : > Well, I said 'slowly and smoothly'. The 'Slowly' > part is because the field alternates 60 times a > second (50, if you're across the pond) and > movement between alternations should be very > small. The 'smoothly' part is because any jerk > of the hand, especially when the demagnetizer > field around the head is still strong, will > magnetize the head, rather than demagnetize it. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Mar 15 18:06:22 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:06:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <35002708A9DC48DEA680DD1126A20D9B@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: Doesn't this depend on how well the speaks are shielded? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of benstratford at aol.co.uk Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:35 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units Possibly a related topic as I am going to ask about speakers which hold magnets too. A very simplistic question, but could anyone give an overview of how far away from the speakers we should keep and handle recorded tapes? Also how far away from the tape decks I should place the speakers to avoid magnetic influences to the deck from the speakers? Thanks, Ben. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Mar 15 19:31:13 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:31:13 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Spat about Demag Units In-Reply-To: <47DAF90E.9020301@rcn.com> Message-ID: I don't want to labour on this issue because I think we've heard too much already, but I think there is something to be learnt from it. First, I don't think anyone imagines expressing an opinion is an attack. It's the manner in which it is done that makes whatever said an attack, when it is the person who is denigrated rather than, or as well as, their viewpoint! There is no need for it. Doing this also detracts from the views of the aggressor. After all, when written and verbal attacks are employed in a debate they are often meant to conceal a weakness in the argument. Even if there is no weakness, one may reasonably suspect that there is! Second, we have a number of people who are expert engineers in the group and it is inevitable there will be disagreements even on the INTERPRETATION of scientific evidence. But when these debates degenerate into personal attacks the entire community of this group is damaged. Bleus may correct me if I am wrong but my impression is that his alternative Yahoo group was created as much as anything to escape from this kind of unpleasantness. Indeed, I know for sure that this kind of scrap has caused Naktalk to lose some very experienced and knowledgeable people, and drive others of their into "watching mode". We have already lost their valuable contributions, to the disbenefit of us all. Now, while I am not an expert in hi fi or engineering, I AM expert in written communication. I am a writer. I may not always be very good at it but I do have a Masters degree in Writing Studies, which must count for something. However, one needs no expertise or fancy qualifications to use common sense and realise how we write what we write will have an impact on those who read our messages. (And I have thought long and hard over this one!) So, I plead - when anyone wishes to disagree with the views of another, please think about what you have written before you hit the Send button. Remember, whatever you write will be seen by many others; so, sniping is not a precise weapon in a forum as this; it is as a blunderbuss, where the shot spreads wide and hurts everyone. Peace. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:16 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: A Question about Demag Units Ray, ... Kermit claimed that the stronger a demagenetizer is, the better. This is simply incorrect. Later posts exemplified further lack of understanding. Stating this fact does not constitute an 'attack'.... -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Mar 15 15:03:01 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:03:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <233913.92325.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <233913.92325.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47DBD715.5030302@rcn.com> Bob, I think that Allied was actually a competitor to Rat Shack. They used to have their own stores and eventually folded. It's possible their demagnetizer was a 'buy out' that was also sold under the Radio Shack brand name. My high power demagnetizer is a Radio Shack product, so identified with a sticker that could just as well carry any 'manufacturer' name. I've had it for years and used it extensively. It's an excellent product that reliably erases 1/2" high coercivity video cassettes. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > Ron, You mentioned yours is an Allied. Allied was a Radio Shack brand > years ago. I have a radio shack de magg that I bought back in the > 70's. I'll have to look at it again but for all I know it's an Allied > also. I have never had the capability of measuring it's magnetic field > but I can tell you that I've gotten a few used decks, cassette and reel > to reel, that lacked the high freqs. This cheapo that I own brought > back the decks highs just fine. Maybe something better may do the job > better but the Naks that I own make recordings that are very hard to > distinguish between the tape and the original. > Bob N > > */Ron /* wrote: > > Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: > > I have owned several decent demaggers over the years. I even had > a piece > > of junk from Rat Shack. My Teac is decent. But once my Annis > Han-D-Mag > > arrived I realized the others were toys. > > ken, I am curious as to how you arrived at > this conclusion. Did you measure the magnetic > field? If so, how? > > > It also came with a nice white > > paper on proper use. They also sell a magnetometer which will > show if > > any magnetism is left. I don't have one but plan to find one > soon. They > > are built to last a lifetime, then another. > > Well, my cheapo Allied demagnetizer has already > lasted a lifetime of regular use and I am not > too concerned about it lasting a second one. > BTW, the Nak demagnetizer looks exactly the > same and is far from cheap. > > > They are made the way things > > were back in the old days that said "Made in USA " . Highly > recommended. > > Kermit is spot on about this, as usual. > > Again: how do you know this? > > The only claim Kermit made was that the stronger > the demagnetizer, the better -- and this is > patently incorrect. Can you offer an explanation > as to how he is 'spot on'? > > -- Ron > > > > > Do make sure the deck is turned > > off when you use it! > > > > Ken > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sat Mar 15 15:00:23 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:00:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ANNIS HAN-D-MAG In-Reply-To: <8CA54389C97B17A-13E0-FCB@webmail-de09.sysops.aol.com> References: <1536867452@web.de> <8CA54389C97B17A-13E0-FCB@webmail-de09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hello Ben! Yes if you INTEND to use ONLY on any cassette deck...the large red probe version is the "BEST ONE"...with two good issues as you describe "Excellent Visibility" + the covered probe CAN touch the heads/capstans with NO problem at all (Where my owned short one CAN'T)!!!. Today such "longer probe"...maybe is a little bit more expensive...but highly recommended!!! My best wishes, Peace, Alex! To: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Re: ANNIS HAN-D-MAGDate: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:19:32 -0400From: benstratford at aol.co.ukPersonally I liked the look of the longer probe version which gives excellent visibility while in use. Rgds, Ben-----Original Message-----From: joachim hetzer To: naktalk at naks.comSent: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 3:17 amSubject: [naktalk] Re: ANNIS HAN-D-MAG So which Han-D-Mag model is the most suitable to use on cassette decks? __________________________________________________ GRATIS: Movie-FLAT. 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Sitting on the rear would make cabling rather difficult unless access holes are cut out below it. -- Geoffrey Reynolds From sheldance at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 16:14:49 2008 From: sheldance at gmail.com (SheldO) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:14:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] vertical placement In-Reply-To: <47DAFA06.6000603@rcn.com> References: <21633285.1205506214395.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <47DAFA06.6000603@rcn.com> Message-ID: Well its actually sitting on its side so the panel is still facing frontwards. Sheldon Trewin AKA SheldO Talk & Text: 780-264-8837 e-Mail: sheldance at gmail.com YouTube: www.youtube.com/sheldance MySpace: www.myspace.com/sheldorecordings -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: March-14-08 4:20 PM To: Tom Brucker; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] vertical placement Tom Brucker wrote: > Well the RX303 puts the mechanism upside down, so I don't see why > sideways wouldn't work. Oh?? I assumes 'vertically' meant, sitting on its rear, with the front panel up. -- Ron > > > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: SheldO > Sent: Mar 14, 2008 1:07 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] vertical placement > > I have a BX-2 that i LOVE and have been using for years. My setup > has changed slightly and it works best for me to have the cassette > deck standing up vertically. It seems to be playing fine that way > and have no reason to believe that it should effect recording and > playback. I was just wanting some feedback on this. Thanks! > > SheldO > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From jeruff at yahoo.com Sat Mar 15 16:29:12 2008 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Questions about Media Storage In-Reply-To: <8CA543AC39159EC-13E0-1056@webmail-de09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <732120.32825.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Funny someone should ask this as I was recently wondering the same thing. I was also wondering whether it is bad to store any tapes (recorded on or blank) anywhere near speakers. I think I recall reading somewhere that magnets can deteriorate tape (and even CDs)? What exactly would be the effects anyway? As I have a lot of equipment, tapes, and music in a relatively small space, this would be very useful info/speculation. Thanks in advance, Jesse --- benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > Possibly a related topic as I am going to ask about > speakers which hold magnets too. > > A very simplistic question, but could anyone give an > overview of how far away from the speakers we should > keep and handle recorded tapes?? Also how far away > from the tape decks I should place the speakers to > avoid magnetic influences to the deck from the > speakers? > > Thanks, Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Ember > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 7:42 am > Subject: RE: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > > Boys, boys, boys... > ? > Can we please NOW place the Annis, Sony, TEAC, or > Nakamichi demagnetizer in the drawer, to be removed > and used on our precious decks every ten hours, > every time you make a timeless recording, or your > own time-tested interval...agree that the deck > should be turned off to prevent any nervous > breakdowns from passing high-amplitude hum to the > rest of the audio chain...not worry too much about > which unit induces the loudest hum when brought near > metal surfaces...and all agree that it should be > withdrawn slowly, and the power turned off after it > is a safe distance from the deck?? Oh, yes, and keep > the demag away from any recorded cassettes... > ? > The way this is going, we'll next be chewing through > learned discussions of the metallurgy behind > building the covers for RX-202's versus the Dragon. > ? > Me, I'm gonna stop opening such tomes...and go enjoy > a Brahms symphony or some Bert Kaempfert on one of > my lovely cleaned and demagged Nak decks.? Seems to > me, that was why I've bought these wonderful > machines... > ? > Just a thought and no offense to those techier than > I! > ? > Steve Ember > > > From: notarbene at kvglabs.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:12:45 -0500 > > I's both. The AC magnetic field of a demagnetizer > vibrates ferrous metals in the deck (as well as > itself), the more powerful the field the greater the > vibration, that's all I'm saying. So what?? > ? > > > > On Mar 13, 2008, at 5:00 PM, Bansijeff at aol.com > wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/13/2008 2:08:42 P.M. Pacific > Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > > > > > > In one of your ealier posts you comment - > > "When I use a Nakamichi DR-10 demagnetizer, you hear > a little vibration? > created by the magnetic field. But use an Annis Han > D Mag and the tape? > deck hums loudly -- audible testimony of the Annis's > power!" > > ? > > In my book, that qualifies as using a demagnetizer > incorrectly.? (JW's reply) > > ? > > > > > > > Actually the demagnetizer itself hums, so I fail to > see the validity of your statement.? > > > > > > > > ? > > ? > > So you're changing your story, it's the demagger > that hums, not the deck? > > Jeff W > > > > > > > > > > --?Kermit Gray > > notarbene at kvglabs.com > > KVG Laboratories > > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > > 16371 Lake Point Drive > > Bonner Springs, KS 66012?USA > > Telephone:?913-422-0957 > > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > > > > > > = > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Mar 15 16:52:50 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: A Question about Demag Units In-Reply-To: <200803151101.m2FB0XUF011111@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <217400.20449.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Ray, Just as a friendly FYI...I think when you're posting here and hitting the 'reply' button on your server's email, you're duplicating the entire naktalk issue (again). Just cut everything else out except the subject you're replying to and the relevant posts you want to show. If not, it makes for an incredibly long naktalk issue to wade through. I can't believe no one has said anything so far, because when I did it *once* as a new member last yr, I was dropped in boiling oil.;-) Kevin > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:31:15 +0000 > From: rayr0683 at comcast.net > Subject: [naktalk] Re: A Question about Demag Units > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > > <031420081331.17967.47DA7E2100099BF60000462F2215553894CCC8C0CF9D970E9D at comcast.net> > > > Since I was a kid I became obsessed with Tape Deck > maintenance. Especially in the area of > Demagnetization. And as years went by, I studied > this subject. The thing I cannot believe about the > quibbles in this forum, are that while people get so > concerned about what tape to use, an bia points, and > subtle differences in sound from deck to deck or > tape to tape, the idea of scrimping when it comes to > tape deck maintenance, cleaning, etc... is where > some people cut corners. I knew what Kermit meant > by the HUM......and when responding in a brief post > as these, things can be taken out of context. He > isnt changing a story....the HUM...is actually an > experience....and if you dont have an ANNIS > HAN-D-MAG....you wouldn't know what Kermit is > speaking about.....I do. > > In many studies in Demag units it has > been found that nearly all consumer Demag units can > barely remove the Magnetization that occurs on the > Hardened Steel of the Tape Guides....only the ANNIS > can fully and easily remove this. The heads are not > as hard as the guides. But, the Guides must also be > Demagnetized, the entire Tape Path. Which is why an > ANNIS is needed. To attack a guy the way Kermit was > attacked is ridiculous. Also, whether someone has > designed a Tape Deck or not, has nothing to do with > what he knows about Demagnetizers, and the concept > behind them. He did as I did, and contacted the > experts in the Field, ANNIS themselves. For anyone > to scrimp, and buy the so called Nak look alike > Demags on ebay, your cheating yourself. Any owner > of a truely good deck, cassette or R2R deserves to > maintain it with an ANNIS. I have several units, > all of which are better than the Nak Demagger, and > they dont compare to the ANNIS, not even close. > > There is a guy with a website Dedicated > to AKAI Decks....and he also designs Amplifiers, and > is a so called Vintage Equipment Designer....so if > those credentials mean anything at all.....He also > will argue the point that Demagnetization is an > absolute waste of time, and does absolutely nothing > to a tape decks performance. He claims it is not at > all required. I got into it with him, as he goes > completely againts the rules of Tape Path > Maintenance. But point is, he redesigns decks, and > makes amplifiers, and is a Repair Facility, > specializing in all makes of Excellent Tape Decks, > but namely AKAI, and he doesnt believe in Demagging. > So, that part about someone not desigining a deck, > is meaningless in the argument. > > When using an ANNIS HAN-D-MAG, it > comes as a whole kit if you wish, explaining the > whole concept behind the procedure, and its purpose. > You get a Magnetometer, and also Test Strips, for > experimental purposes, just to show the concept, > along with the Demag unit. And it is the only unit > capable of fully demagging Tape Guides, in the Tape > path. This is not 1 inch R2R Decks, but al > consumer, and Prosumer decks. The feeling is a > vibration, sort of thing between the Demag unit, and > the deck....and you will feel that difference with > an ANNIS over any other Demag unit. Its really not > an area to scrimp on dollars for, it will last a > lifetime, and give you peace of mind that you have > the optimal results. In the Large Repair Facility > that I worked in as a Bench Tech, H&R Radio, they > used only the best Equipment, and each bench had an > ANNIS.....thats why they were the 3rd largest Repair > facility in the USA. I wont get caught up in crazy > stuff like this either, but I! > feel b > ad for the people who have no clue about this > procedure, and someone like Kermit who tries to > help, gets stoned for doing so. He is absolutely > right, and I have known what he is speaking of for > many years, so has ANNIS....and many Repair Centers, > and Audiophiles. > > Ray ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Mar 15 19:06:30 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:06:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: References: <35002708A9DC48DEA680DD1126A20D9B@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <17d5ee910803151106x44a2a2cbtb26e710a8e174459@mail.gmail.com> Well, there are shielded and unshielded speaker drivers, the shielded ones have a second magnet that cancels out the magnetic field and can be used near anything without problem. I guess as long as you're not putting your cassettes close to the woofers, you shouldn't have any problems. You could also look with a CRT TV using full red, green and blue pictures if your speakers have a strong magnetic field. Antoine 2008/3/15, Graham A Nelson : > > Doesn't this depend on how well the speaks are shielded? > > > > > *Gra'* > **-----Original Message----- > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *benstratford at aol.co.uk > *Sent:* Friday, March 14, 2008 10:35 PM > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units > > Possibly a related topic as I am going to ask about speakers which hold > magnets too. > > A very simplistic question, but could anyone give an overview of how far > away from the speakers we should keep and handle recorded tapes? Also how > far away from the tape decks I should place the speakers to avoid magnetic > influences to the deck from the speakers? > > Thanks, Ben. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orders at pennysconstruction.com Sat Mar 15 22:12:18 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:12:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A Spat about Demag Units References: Message-ID: I agree. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham A Nelson" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] A Spat about Demag Units >I don't want to labour on this issue because I think we've heard too much > already, but I think there is something to be learnt from it. > > First, I don't think anyone imagines expressing an opinion is an attack. > It's the manner in which it is done that makes whatever said an attack, > when > it is the person who is denigrated rather than, or as well as, their > viewpoint! There is no need for it. Doing this also detracts from the > views of the aggressor. After all, when written and verbal attacks are > employed in a debate they are often meant to conceal a weakness in the > argument. Even if there is no weakness, one may reasonably suspect that > there is! > > Second, we have a number of people who are expert engineers in the group > and > it is inevitable there will be disagreements even on the INTERPRETATION of > scientific evidence. But when these debates degenerate into personal > attacks the entire community of this group is damaged. Bleus may correct > me > if I am wrong but my impression is that his alternative Yahoo group was > created as much as anything to escape from this kind of unpleasantness. > Indeed, I know for sure that this kind of scrap has caused Naktalk to lose > some very experienced and knowledgeable people, and drive others of their > into "watching mode". We have already lost their valuable contributions, > to > the disbenefit of us all. > > Now, while I am not an expert in hi fi or engineering, I AM expert in > written communication. I am a writer. I may not always be very good at it > but I do have a Masters degree in Writing Studies, which must count for > something. However, one needs no expertise or fancy qualifications to use > common sense and realise how we write what we write will have an impact on > those who read our messages. (And I have thought long and hard over this > one!) So, I plead - when anyone wishes to disagree with the views of > another, please think about what you have written before you hit the Send > button. Remember, whatever you write will be seen by many others; so, > sniping is not a precise weapon in a forum as this; it is as a > blunderbuss, > where the shot spreads wide and hurts everyone. > > Peace. > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Ron > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:16 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: A Question about Demag Units > > > > Ray, > > ... Kermit claimed that the stronger a demagenetizer is, the better. This > is > simply incorrect. Later posts exemplified further lack of understanding. > Stating this fact does not constitute an 'attack'.... > > -- Ron > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sun Mar 16 04:55:09 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:55:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units Message-ID: >> For the past 33 years I've been using the exact same Annis Han D Mag >> degausser on everything from cassette decks to 2-inch reel-to-reel >> decks with no ill effects. The key is to move the demagnetizer toward >> the heads, then away from the heads s l o w l y and turn it off at >> least 4 feet away. Every white paper I've read on the subject going >> back as far as 1954 says, in essence, "stronger is better" within >> practical limits of making the unit small and hand-holdable. Perhaps >> in theory it is possible to make a demagnetizer "too strong" but in >> practice I've never heard of it nor seen one. But, yes, if you move >> the wand away quickly you can demagnetize the heads. That's an >> example >> of using the demagnetizer incorrectly. >> I think a reason for not having "too strong" a demagnetizer might be the tendency to demagnetize nearby things or affect them adversely. As far as the jerkiness and the "too fast" thing, that's why I use the TDK which is an electronic pulse demagnetizer so you don't have to take it away slowly a it does the equivalent electronically.-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Mar 16 01:25:18 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:25:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Questions about Media Storage In-Reply-To: <732120.32825.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <8CA543AC39159EC-13E0-1056@webmail-de09.sysops.aol.com> <732120.32825.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910803151725g1c05e19cue0a68bd0b0fe1931@mail.gmail.com> CDs only use non-magnetic metals, it's not a problem. Blank tapes shouldn't have a problem as well, they get erased(demagnetized) before recording. Magnets have an effect on recorded tapes, especially if the magnet or the tape is moved sometimes, the changing magnetic flux will act a bit like an AC field / demagnetizer. That means you shouldn't place your tape deck too close from your speakers(especially from the woofers, they're probaly the only significant magnets) as it's going to make a good demagnetizer while the tape is turning (The orientation of the field vs tape turning on the spool will keep changing). I think about 3 or 4 feet is far enough if you have small enough woofer magnets (like those on a 60w woofer) 2008/3/15, jesse ruff : > > Funny someone should ask this as I was recently > wondering the same thing. I was also wondering > whether it is bad to store any tapes (recorded on or > blank) anywhere near speakers. I think I recall > reading somewhere that magnets can deteriorate tape > (and even CDs)? What exactly would be the effects > anyway? As I have a lot of equipment, tapes, and > music in a relatively small space, this would be very > useful info/speculation. > Thanks in advance, > Jesse > --- benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > > > Possibly a related topic as I am going to ask about > > speakers which hold magnets too. > > > > A very simplistic question, but could anyone give an > > overview of how far away from the speakers we should > > keep and handle recorded tapes?? Also how far away > > from the tape decks I should place the speakers to > > avoid magnetic influences to the deck from the > > speakers? > > > > Thanks, Ben > > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Grover.Zinn at oberlin.edu Sun Mar 16 05:37:52 2008 From: Grover.Zinn at oberlin.edu (Grover Zinn (imap)) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:37:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <47DBD715.5030302@rcn.com> References: <233913.92325.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47DBD715.5030302@rcn.com> Message-ID: <545E0679-75BF-43F2-93C2-E51071FA796C@oberlin.edu> Dear All Allied Electronics still exists, but not in quite the same form as the past (for me that means the 1950s when I was building ham and audio equipment and ordering from their Chicago headquarters). No intention to start an conversation on Allied vs Radio Shack, but Allied was more the total supermarket for any component or equipment you needed---no matter how few or how many. (It is still that way; current catalog is about 2" or more thick on my shelf). (End of nostalgia trip for old tube amateur and audio equipment, esp. homebrew--and probably not appropriate for Naktalk, except that I do own a Nak). For a look at Allied past and present, check out http://www.alliedelec.com/AlliedHistory.aspx Keep all the good conversation going. I'm going to need advice when I get the rather ancient Nak out and try to see all those washers and small screws! best Grover Grover A. Zinn William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences Oberlin College Oberlin, OH 44074 440-775-8866 (department) grover.zinn at oberlin.edu On Mar 15, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Ron wrote: > Bob, > > I think that Allied was actually a competitor > to Rat Shack. They used to have their own > stores and eventually folded. It's possible > their demagnetizer was a 'buy out' that was > also sold under the Radio Shack brand name. > > My high power demagnetizer is a Radio Shack > product, so identified with a sticker that > could just as well carry any 'manufacturer' > name. I've had it for years and used it > extensively. It's an excellent product that > reliably erases 1/2" high coercivity video > cassettes. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Bob Naylor wrote: >> Ron, You mentioned yours is an Allied. Allied was a Radio Shack >> brand years ago. I have a radio shack de magg that I bought back >> in the 70's. I'll have to look at it again but for all I know it's >> an Allied also. I have never had the capability of measuring it's >> magnetic field but I can tell you that I've gotten a few used >> decks, cassette and reel to reel, that lacked the high freqs. This >> cheapo that I own brought back the decks highs just fine. Maybe >> something better may do the job better but the Naks that I own make >> recordings that are very hard to distinguish between the tape and >> the original. >> Bob N >> */Ron /* wrote: >> Ken Kirkpatrick wrote: >> > I have owned several decent demaggers over the years. I even >> had >> a piece >> > of junk from Rat Shack. My Teac is decent. But once my Annis >> Han-D-Mag >> > arrived I realized the others were toys. >> ken, I am curious as to how you arrived at >> this conclusion. Did you measure the magnetic >> field? If so, how? >> > It also came with a nice white >> > paper on proper use. They also sell a magnetometer which will >> show if >> > any magnetism is left. I don't have one but plan to find one >> soon. They >> > are built to last a lifetime, then another. >> Well, my cheapo Allied demagnetizer has already >> lasted a lifetime of regular use and I am not >> too concerned about it lasting a second one. >> BTW, the Nak demagnetizer looks exactly the >> same and is far from cheap. >> > They are made the way things >> > were back in the old days that said "Made in USA " . Highly >> recommended. >> > Kermit is spot on about this, as usual. >> Again: how do you know this? >> The only claim Kermit made was that the stronger >> the demagnetizer, the better -- and this is >> patently incorrect. Can you offer an explanation >> as to how he is 'spot on'? >> -- Ron >> > Do make sure the deck is turned >> > off when you use it! >> > >> > Ken >> > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From rayr0683 at comcast.net Sun Mar 16 05:00:07 2008 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (Ray Riendeau) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:00:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: A Question about Demagnetizers Message-ID: <2C05098E9126491A956B6AB06277B050@ownerPC> Hello Ron, Im not going to argue. But the nak Demagger, was a cheap consumer grade demagger. It does not have the strength of demagging the hardened steel Tape Guides, which is very important, being part of the tape path. And a more powerful demagger, does not increase the risk of inadvertantly magnetizing the tape heads, its the misuse of the proper technique that risks inadvertantly magentizing the tape heads. BTW, Nak didnt make everything as you may think they did.....all top notch. Look at the junk Motors in the nak tape decks....plenty of junky parts in these high dollar decks. The demagger was just a consumer grade product, that like key-chains, they knew people would buy. Nak also semed to leak out that they used Intraclean 721 to clean the tape paths on their workbenches. This was an ok product for perfectly clean, or dusted heads, but if there was oxide buildup, the Intraclean was garbage. This product was later called American Recorder H-721, and it was at best, ok to us on the rubber rollers. It dried up almost instantly, when applied to a q-tip, or foam tip swab. So, dont believe everything that Nak says or does is a top notch product. Ray......Again, I will not argue, I know this as fact, and from extnsive studying on this topic over the years. This is one area, that I have no doubts about the claims I make. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sun Mar 16 13:20:12 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:20:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Spat about Demag Units Message-ID: <031620081220.17946.47DD107C000D7F3A0000461A22165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I absolutely agree 100 percent with Graham on this. There has been some *extremely* abrasive rhetoric being used in this discussion, for no good reason. The second I sensed the tone was going downhill, I stopped reading ALL of the posts about demag units. The only reason I read Graham's post is because of his subject line, which hinted at the dismay (disgust?) that he, like me, is feeling over such trivial bickering. What a waste of time and effort, folks! Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go use my Nakamichi DM-10.... *andy* From alexcozac at hotmail.com Sun Mar 16 14:44:15 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:44:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Spat about Demag Units In-Reply-To: <031620081220.17946.47DD107C000D7F3A0000461A22165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <031620081220.17946.47DD107C000D7F3A0000461A22165279669C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hello Andy, But...But...if really you want the "State of the Art" degaussing instrument...ONLY...the Annis one will provide the safe/fast & 100% degauss service!. Thank about...instead spelling more & more money on "Collecting" Nak decks...look for the "State of the Art" maintenance!!!. Andy...my really heart fully advise! Peace, Alex! > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Spat about Demag Units> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:20:12 +0000> CC: grahamanelson at googlemail.com> > > I absolutely agree 100 percent with Graham on this.> > There has been some *extremely* abrasive rhetoric being used in this discussion, for no good reason.> > The second I sensed the tone was going downhill, I stopped reading ALL of the posts about demag units.> > The only reason I read Graham's post is because of his subject line, which hinted at the dismay (disgust?) that he, like me, is feeling over such trivial bickering. What a waste of time and effort, folks!> > Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go use my Nakamichi DM-10....> > > > *andy*> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boytchik1 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 16 15:50:39 2008 From: boytchik1 at hotmail.com (Gutte Neshome) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:50:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What would be the proper way to de-mag a Teac 2000X? From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.eduTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] A Question about Demag unitsDate: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:55:09 -0700 For the past 33 years I've been using the exact same Annis Han D Mag degausser on everything from cassette decks to 2-inch reel-to-reel decks with no ill effects. The key is to move the demagnetizer toward the heads, then away from the heads s l o w l y and turn it off at least 4 feet away. Every white paper I've read on the subject going back as far as 1954 says, in essence, "stronger is better" within practical limits of making the unit small and hand-holdable. Perhaps in theory it is possible to make a demagnetizer "too strong" but in practice I've never heard of it nor seen one. But, yes, if you move the wand away quickly you can demagnetize the heads. That's an example of using the demagnetizer incorrectly. I think a reason for not having "too strong" a demagnetizer might be the tendency to demagnetize nearby things or affect them adversely. As far as the jerkiness and the "too fast" thing, that's why I use the TDK which is an electronic pulse demagnetizer so you don't have to take it away slowly a it does the equivalent electronically.-kby _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sun Mar 16 19:54:46 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Questions about Media Storage In-Reply-To: <732120.32825.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <908198.42068.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Don't worry. Here's some nice reading on the subject in gerneral http://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/pub54/care_and_handling.html Magnetic Tape Storage and Handling A Guide for Libraries and Archives Dr. John W.C. Van Bogart National Media Laboratory June 1995 Magnetic field problems are very rare, even for tapes shipped internationally without special precautions. The best protection for shipping is a minimum of 50 mm [2 inches] of nonmagnetic material all round. The inverse square law ensures that the fields from even heavy electrical equipment will not affect tape at 50 mm [2 inch] distance. Recommended practices * Tape should be handled only in no smoking, no food, clean areas. * Do not let tape or leader ends trail on the floor. * [Do not drop or subject to sudden shock.] * Keep tape away from magnetic fields. Don't stack tapes on top of equipment. * Tape storage areas should be cool and dry. Never leave open reel or cassette tapes exposed to the sun. * Avoid subjecting tapes to rapid temperature changes. If storage and operating area temperatures differ by more than 15° F (8° C), allow an acclimatization time within the operating area of four hours for every 18° F (10° C) difference. * Store open reel and cassette tapes with the reels or tape packs vertical. Reels should be supported by the hub. [Tapes should be stored like books on a library shelf - on end. They should not be stored laying flat.] * Use high quality reels or cassettes, boxes/containers, and accessories. * Return tapes to their containers when they are not in use. * Cut off damaged tape or leader/trailer ends from open reel tapes. * For open-reel tapes, use protecting collars if available. * Do not use general purpose adhesive tapes to secure the tape end or for splicing. If necessary, use adhesive products designed for the purpose. * Minimize tape handling. * Do not touch the tape surface or the edge of the tape pack unless absolutely necessary and then wear lint-free gloves. * Clean the recorder tape path thoroughly at the recommended intervals. * Discard tapes with scratches or any other surface damage, which causes significant debris to be left in the recorder tape path. * Ensure tapes to be reused are thoroughly bulk-erased before they are put back into service. For more on storage recommendations: http://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/pub54/5premature_degrade.html http://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/pub54/index.html ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Mar 16 23:10:07 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:10:07 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] RE: A Question about Demagnetizers Message-ID: <12437524.1205705407567.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Mar 16 16:49:22 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:49:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Questions about Media Storage In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910803151725g1c05e19cue0a68bd0b0fe1931@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CA543AC39159EC-13E0-1056@webmail-de09.sysops.aol.com> <732120.32825.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <17d5ee910803151725g1c05e19cue0a68bd0b0fe1931@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DD4182.3090708@rcn.com> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > CDs only use non-magnetic metals, it's not a problem. You'd be surprised... A long time ago I attended a meeting of audiophiles, many of which were of the subjectivist persuasion. It was seriously claimed that demagnetizing CDs improves their sound. To prove the point, a listening test (non-blind, of course) was conducted. Many heard vast sonic improvement after the CD was demagnetized, including engineers that should have known (and heard) better. When I questioned one of them, he said, seriously, "You have to suspend your disbelief". I may have already posted here that Stereophile's Michael Fremmer, in reviewing a $2500 LP magnetizer heard vast sonic improvement after demagnetizing vinyl LPs and, therefore, highly recommended the device. -- Ron > > Blank tapes shouldn't have a problem as well, they get > erased(demagnetized) before recording. > > Magnets have an effect on recorded tapes, especially if the magnet or > the tape is moved sometimes, the changing magnetic flux will act a bit > like an AC field / demagnetizer. > > That means you shouldn't place your tape deck too close from your > speakers(especially from the woofers, they're probaly the only > significant magnets) as it's going to make a good demagnetizer while the > tape is turning (The orientation of the field vs tape turning on the > spool will keep changing). > > I think about 3 or 4 feet is far enough if you have small enough woofer > magnets (like those on a 60w woofer) > > 2008/3/15, jesse ruff >: > > Funny someone should ask this as I was recently > wondering the same thing. I was also wondering > whether it is bad to store any tapes (recorded on or > blank) anywhere near speakers. I think I recall > reading somewhere that magnets can deteriorate tape > (and even CDs)? What exactly would be the effects > anyway? As I have a lot of equipment, tapes, and > music in a relatively small space, this would be very > useful info/speculation. > Thanks in advance, > Jesse > --- benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > > > Possibly a related topic as I am going to ask about > > speakers which hold magnets too. > > > > A very simplistic question, but could anyone give an > > overview of how far away from the speakers we should > > keep and handle recorded tapes?? Also how far away > > from the tape decks I should place the speakers to > > avoid magnetic influences to the deck from the > > speakers? > > > > Thanks, Ben > > > > > -- > Antoine Deschênes From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Mar 16 17:38:21 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: A Question about Demag units In-Reply-To: <200803161103.m2GB1ZNm007475@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <413709.44509.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> It's funny what you remember...growing up in the Midwest I thought it was 'Allied Radio', but it must have been 'Allied Electronics'. Anyway, yes, they were quite the store for a young boy interested in electronic kits and ham. Much more of a 'hardcore' store than Radio Shack ever was. However, it was my past understanding that Radio Shack bought out Allied Electronics and the reason they disappeared from the Midwest. It would seem that was erroneous, as they just left certain market venues back then? I still have an Allied AC/DC converter...lol Also still have an old bulk eraser, ArcherKit testers and a hand held demag from RS. Strangely, my Heathkits have all vanished, including the TV...... Kevin Message: 25 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:37:52 -0400 From: "Grover Zinn (imap)" Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Question about Demag units To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <545E0679-75BF-43F2-93C2-E51071FA796C at oberlin.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Dear All Allied Electronics still exists, but not in quite the same form as the past (for me that means the 1950s when I was building ham and audio equipment and ordering from their Chicago headquarters). No intention to start an conversation on Allied vs Radio Shack, but Allied was more the total supermarket for any component or equipment you needed---no matter how few or how many. (It is still that way; current catalog is about 2" or more thick on my shelf). (End of nostalgia trip for old tube amateur and audio equipment, esp. homebrew--and probably not appropriate for Naktalk, except that I do own a Nak). For a look at Allied past and present, check out http://www.alliedelec.com/AlliedHistory.aspx Keep all the good conversation going. I'm going to need advice when I get the rather ancient Nak out and try to see all those washers and small screws! best Grover Grover A. Zinn William H. Danforth Professor of Religion (emeritus) former Associate Dean, College of Arts and Sciences Oberlin College Oberlin, OH 44074 440-775-8866 (department) grover.zinn at oberlin.edu On Mar 15, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Ron wrote: > Bob, > > I think that Allied was actually a competitor > to Rat Shack. They used to have their own > stores and eventually folded. It's possible > their demagnetizer was a 'buy out' that was > also sold under the Radio Shack brand name. > > My high power demagnetizer is a Radio Shack > product, so identified with a sticker that > could just as well carry any 'manufacturer' > name. I've had it for years and used it > extensively. It's an excellent product that > reliably erases 1/2" high coercivity video > cassettes. > > -- Ron > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From rayr0683 at comcast.net Mon Mar 17 16:12:20 2008 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:12:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Demagging a TEAC X2000R Message-ID: <031720081512.25953.47DE8A54000B475D000065612215551724CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> Hello Gutte, Essentially its the same as demagging any other unit. But if youd like, email me off Forum, and I can help you out, and suggest a good Demagnetiser if you dont already have one. I have the TEAC X2000R, as well as a couple of mint Tandberg Reel to Reels, plus my Nak.....so this is pretty much an everyday thing for me, been doing so for years, I can explain much more to you, and the TEAC is a bit off topic here. Ray From rayr0683 at comcast.net Sun Mar 16 22:03:23 2008 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (Ray Riendeau) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:03:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bickering about Demags..... Message-ID: Amen.....Lets put this to sleep. Just hope that those that wanted to know about Demagging their decks, got some useful info, and will make a good purchase, so as to maintain their decks, and demagnetize their heads. It got carried away, but we were all trying to give help to those in question....just many varying opinions. Hopefully not too confusing. But, boys will be boys...LOL Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Mar 17 12:14:42 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:14:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Questions about Media Storage In-Reply-To: <47DD4182.3090708@rcn.com> References: <8CA543AC39159EC-13E0-1056@webmail-de09.sysops.aol.com> <732120.32825.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <17d5ee910803151725g1c05e19cue0a68bd0b0fe1931@mail.gmail.com> <47DD4182.3090708@rcn.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910803170414t5e2949ccj17ff98f63171f0f0@mail.gmail.com> http://www.furutech.com/produ_2.asp?ProdNo=242 2008/3/16, Ron : > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > CDs only use non-magnetic metals, it's not a problem. > > You'd be surprised... > > A long time ago I attended a meeting of audiophiles, > many of which were of the subjectivist persuasion. > It was seriously claimed that demagnetizing CDs > improves their sound. To prove the point, a listening > test (non-blind, of course) was conducted. Many heard > vast sonic improvement after the CD was demagnetized, > including engineers that should have known (and heard) > better. When I questioned one of them, he said, > seriously, "You have to suspend your disbelief". > > I may have already posted here that Stereophile's > Michael Fremmer, in reviewing a $2500 LP magnetizer > heard vast sonic improvement after demagnetizing vinyl > LPs and, therefore, highly recommended the device. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Blank tapes shouldn't have a problem as well, they get > > erased(demagnetized) before recording. > > > > Magnets have an effect on recorded tapes, especially if the magnet or > > the tape is moved sometimes, the changing magnetic flux will act a bit > > like an AC field / demagnetizer. > > > > That means you shouldn't place your tape deck too close from your > > speakers(especially from the woofers, they're probaly the only > > significant magnets) as it's going to make a good demagnetizer while the > > tape is turning (The orientation of the field vs tape turning on the > > spool will keep changing). > > > > I think about 3 or 4 feet is far enough if you have small enough woofer > > magnets (like those on a 60w woofer) > > > > 2008/3/15, jesse ruff >: > > > > Funny someone should ask this as I was recently > > wondering the same thing. I was also wondering > > whether it is bad to store any tapes (recorded on or > > blank) anywhere near speakers. I think I recall > > reading somewhere that magnets can deteriorate tape > > (and even CDs)? What exactly would be the effects > > anyway? As I have a lot of equipment, tapes, and > > music in a relatively small space, this would be very > > useful info/speculation. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jesse > > --- benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > > > > > Possibly a related topic as I am going to ask about > > > speakers which hold magnets too. > > > > > > A very simplistic question, but could anyone give an > > > overview of how far away from the speakers we should > > > keep and handle recorded tapes?? Also how far away > > > from the tape decks I should place the speakers to > > > avoid magnetic influences to the deck from the > > > speakers? > > > > > > Thanks, Ben > > > > > > > > > -- > > Antoine Deschênes > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Take decks away to the work bench to be demagnetised. 3.? Demag all decks at once and start from a clean sheet. Now need to modify the oak unit to allow easier removal of the decks.? Could probably do with some wheels on it too! What a varied hobby this is! Thanks to all contributors. Cheers, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To prove the point, a listening > test (non-blind, of course) was conducted. Many heard > vast sonic improvement after the CD was demagnetized, > including engineers that should have known (and heard) > better. When I questioned one of them, he said, > seriously, "You have to suspend your disbelief". > > I may have already posted here that Stereophile's > Michael Fremmer, in reviewing a $2500 LP magnetizer > heard vast sonic improvement after demagnetizing vinyl > LPs and, therefore, highly recommended the device. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Blank tapes shouldn't have a problem as well, they get > > erased(demagnetized) before recording. > > > > Magnets have an effect on recorded tapes, especially if the magnet or > > the tape is moved sometimes, the changing magnetic flux will act > a bit > > like an AC field / demagnetizer. > > > > That means you shouldn't place your tape deck too close from your > > speakers(especially from the woofers, they're probaly the only > > significant magnets) as it's going to make a good demagnetizer > while the > > tape is turning (The orientation of the field vs tape turning on the > > spool will keep changing). > > > > I think about 3 or 4 feet is far enough if you have small enough > woofer > > magnets (like those on a 60w woofer) > > > > 2008/3/15, jesse ruff > >>: > > > > Funny someone should ask this as I was recently > > wondering the same thing. I was also wondering > > whether it is bad to store any tapes (recorded on or > > blank) anywhere near speakers. I think I recall > > reading somewhere that magnets can deteriorate tape > > (and even CDs)? What exactly would be the effects > > anyway? As I have a lot of equipment, tapes, and > > music in a relatively small space, this would be very > > useful info/speculation. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jesse > > --- benstratford at aol.co.uk > > wrote: > > > > > Possibly a related topic as I am going to ask about > > > speakers which hold magnets too. > > > > > > A very simplistic question, but could anyone give an > > > overview of how far away from the speakers we should > > > keep and handle recorded tapes?? Also how far away > > > from the tape decks I should place the speakers to > > > avoid magnetic influences to the deck from the > > > speakers? > > > > > > Thanks, Ben > > > > > > > > > -- > > Antoine Deschênes > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Tue Mar 18 16:36:50 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:36:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Message-ID: <000601c8890d$e2c683e0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Does anyone know where I could get a capstan belt for a TD-700 (car deck). After sitting for 5 or 6 years the section of belt that sits on the drive pulley has taken its shape completely ruining the belt,although it wasn't in great shape before! The Nak part number is OCO8781A. Any leads to a new nak belt or even a good cross-over would be appreciated. I have two of these decks that I would like to get up and running again. My E-mail is joyell.solie at sasktel.net Thanks Rainer S. (80stech) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Tue Mar 18 15:14:06 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 07:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising In-Reply-To: <200803181101.m2IB0SQw009226@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <10786.41941.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Ben, I have a very small listening room with plaster walls and a hardwood floor. I was getting so much feedback into my TT from the speaker stack, that I made a suspended cage out of Plexiglas for the TT and hung it from the ceiling. That only solved part of the problem, because my speaker stack is right next to the hanging TT. If I record with my speakers on, I get horrific hum in the TT, so I record now with the speakers off and use headphones. The big CRT TV and its components are pretty close as well and so I make sure they're all off. I still have a slight bit of hum when the TT motor is running-I've tried grounding just the motor itself and all variants of grounding the TT and still it persists. If I had the space, I'd spread everything out like it used to be (in other houses) and see what happens. Because everything is so close, I take extra care when using the demag on the cassette players and the R2R-remove all the magnetic tapes into another room etc. I bulk erase in the kitchen etc.;-) Sounds like you're on the right track to me. Kevin Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:19:51 -0400 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8CA56D735909279-E58-34E8 at webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After cherry picking all of the gems and ignoring mosts of the tit for tat stuff because I didn't understand half of it, I am starting to LOL about my set up.? There are now 4 decks in my unit which has had upto 11 before now, all usually stacked upon or very near each other.? In central drawers next to my decks (20 CM's away) are my blank and recorded tapes. and the other side of my decks (8 inches away) are the speakers.? What happens to the recorded tapes when I demagnetise a deck,? (using a long probe annis) or indeed the other decks, I have no idea. but i am guessing it is not a good scenario.? So, i am considering: 1.? Moving speakers 50 cm away from anything that may be adversely affected. 2.? Take decks away to the work bench to be demagnetised. 3.? Demag all decks at once and start from a clean sheet. Now need to modify the oak unit to allow easier removal of the decks.? Could probably do with some wheels on it too! What a varied hobby this is! Thanks to all contributors. Cheers, Ben ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 18 15:29:44 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:29:44 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising Message-ID: <20353878.1205850584486.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Wed Mar 19 01:13:17 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:13:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising In-Reply-To: <10786.41941.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CA576D2587CAB4-36C-DC4@WEBMAIL-MC08.sysops.aol.com> Hi Kevin & Tom, Thanks for your feedback, I will certainly try the magetometer and see if I can prove the new arrangements are satisfactory for how I intend to operate.? I like the idea of turning the speakers off while recoding from the TT, that may be worth trying too.? Now My ZXL has new relays fitted and I can?select the Dolby C unit reliably, I had intended to re-record lots of stuff anyway, so a good time to try some new things.? All my decks now have dolby b & c so the next thing to do is to make sure the reference levels are all calibrated properly so there is no issue using noise reduction and playing tapes on other decks and indeed, playing them back on the deck they were recorded on.? Another project there then. Never had any wall mounted speakers either, now that's an idea. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 3:14 am Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Ben, I have a very small listening room with plaster walls and a hardwood floor. I was getting so much feedback into my TT from the speaker stack, that I made a suspended cage out of Plexiglas for the TT and hung it from the ceiling. That only solved part of the problem, because my speaker stack is right next to the hanging TT. If I record with my speakers on, I get horrific hum in the TT, so I record now with the speakers off and use headphones. The big CRT TV and its components are pretty close as well and so I make sure they're all off. I still have a slight bit of hum when the TT motor is running-I've tried grounding just the motor itself and all variants of grounding the TT and still it persists. If I had the space, I'd spread everything out like it used to be (in other houses) and see what happens. Because everything is so close, I take extra care when using the demag on the cassette players and the R2R-remove all the magnetic tapes into another room etc. I bulk erase in the kitchen etc.;-) Sounds like you're on the right track to me. Kevin Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:19:51 -0400 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8CA56D735909279-E58-34E8 at webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After cherry picking all of the gems and ignoring mosts of the tit for tat stuff because I didn't understand half of it, I am starting to LOL about my set up.? There are now 4 decks in my unit which has had upto 11 before now, all usually stacked upon or very near each other.? In central drawers next to my decks (20 CM's away) are my blank and recorded tapes. and the other side of my decks (8 inches away) are the speakers.? What happens to the recorded tapes when I demagnetise a deck,? (using a long probe annis) or indeed the other decks, I have no idea. but i am guessing it is not a good scenario.? So, i am considering: 1.? Moving speakers 50 cm away from anything that may be adversely affected. 2.? Take decks away to the work bench to be demagnetised. 3.? Demag all decks at once and start from a clean sheet. Now need to modify the oak unit to allow easier removal of the decks.? Could probably do with some wheels on it too! What a varied hobby this is! Thanks to all contributors. Cheers, Ben ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Mar 19 03:16:14 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 02:16:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Which Vintage Receiver Should I Keep? Message-ID: <031920080216.203.47E0776E00001436000000CB22165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> OK, this isn't really related to Nakamichi decks, except to say that I listen to one of these receivers in my workroom whilst I work on them....is that relevant enough? LOL I am just old enough to fondly recall the days of silver-faced receivers with gorgeous "simulated wood" cabinets. I love the sound of some of these receivers, and I honestly believe that they hold a special place in the audiophile world that's all their own. Several months ago I found a Technics SA-400 receiver in MINT condition. Ever since I found it, I have been listening to it in my workroom. I also do recording/playback tests through it. It has a great sound. I really have a soft spot for these old "wood" cabinet SA series receivers. An SA-303 was the very first piece of "good" audio gear I ever owned when I was a kid. But now I have also found a Pioneer SX-780 in very near MINT condition. I have been listening to it instead of the Technics. I have never been a fan of Pioneer stuff, but I have to say that I have been extremely impressed with this receiver. It's not quite as crisp sounding as the Technics....some would say this lack of crispness was "muddy", but then others would praise that same sound as being "warm", so it's all in how you look at it (or should I say "listen"?). I really don't need TWO vintage receivers in my workroom, so I am looking for opinions. Which one should I keep? Both receivers are in PERFECT working order, with all functions, knobs, lights, switches, etc. present and accounted for. I am hoping that there are others who have owned one (or maybe both) of these classic receivers and can give me some background information on why they did or did not like them. They both sound very good to my ears, and I'm sure I could make up my mind based solely on a comparison listening test, but I am still interested in hearing what others might have to say on the subject. P.S.: I have less than $17 invested in these...and I mean for BOTH of them! *andy* From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Wed Mar 19 10:52:45 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:52:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Need BX-300E Service Manual Message-ID: Hi everyone! I need the COMPLETE Service Manual for BX-300E. I have downloaded the manual from NakTalk Documents page but it is in-complete as all the other sites where it can be downloaded from. The version which is freely available on the net is 17.4Mb from which the whole sections 6 (Mechanical Assembly) & 7 (Mounting Diagrams & Parts List) are missing. So if anyone has got the full version and willing to email it to me, then can you please mail it at "nadeem at smicare.net" I will be grateful. Thanks & best regards, Nadeem _________________________________________________________________ Share what Santa brought you https://www.mycooluncool.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Mar 19 13:07:07 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:07:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising In-Reply-To: <10786.41941.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <10786.41941.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47E101EB.7000509@rcn.com> Ben, It's likely that what you call 'hum' is actually acoustic feedback invoked by rumble emanating from the TT motor and platter bearings. If that's the case, the big TV shouldn't affect it, but the speakers would. -- Ron Kevin Fetner wrote: > Ben, > I have a very small listening room with plaster walls > and a hardwood floor. I was getting so much feedback > into my TT from the speaker stack, that I made a > suspended cage out of Plexiglas for the TT and hung it > from the ceiling. That only solved part of the > problem, because my speaker stack is right next to the > hanging TT. If I record with my speakers on, I get > horrific hum in the TT, so I record now with the > speakers off and use headphones. The big CRT TV and > its components are pretty close as well and so I make > sure they're all off. I still have a slight bit of hum > when the TT motor is running-I've tried grounding just > the motor itself and all variants of grounding the TT > and still it persists. If I had the space, I'd spread > everything out like it used to be (in other houses) > and see what happens. Because everything is so close, > I take extra care when using the demag on the cassette > players and the R2R-remove all the magnetic tapes into > another room etc. I bulk erase in the kitchen etc.;-) > Sounds like you're on the right track to me. > > Kevin > > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:19:51 -0400 > From: benstratford at aol.co.uk > Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <8CA56D735909279-E58-34E8 at webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > After cherry picking all of the gems and ignoring > mosts of the tit for > tat stuff because I didn't understand half of it, I > am starting to LOL > about my set up.? There are now 4 decks in my unit > which has had upto > 11 before now, all usually stacked upon or very near > each other.? In > central drawers next to my decks (20 CM's away) are > my blank and recorded > tapes. and the other side of my decks (8 inches away) > are the > speakers.? What happens to the recorded tapes when I > demagnetise a deck,? (using > a long probe annis) or indeed the other decks, I have > no idea. but i > am guessing it is not a good scenario.? So, i am > considering: > > 1.? Moving speakers 50 cm away from anything that may > be adversely > affected. > 2.? Take decks away to the work bench to be > demagnetised. > 3.? Demag all decks at once and start from a clean > sheet. > > Now need to modify the oak unit to allow easier > removal of the decks.? > Could probably do with some wheels on it too! What a > varied hobby this > is! > > Thanks to all contributors. > > Cheers, Ben From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Mar 19 13:26:41 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:26:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Which Vintage Receiver Should I Keep? In-Reply-To: <031920080216.203.47E0776E00001436000000CB22165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <031920080216.203.47E0776E00001436000000CB22165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47E10681.7020406@rcn.com> This is really OT here, so I responded on AudioTalk. hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > OK, this isn't really related to Nakamichi decks, except to say that I listen to one of these receivers in my workroom whilst I work on them....is that relevant enough? LOL > > I am just old enough to fondly recall the days of silver-faced receivers with gorgeous "simulated wood" cabinets. I love the sound of some of these receivers, and I honestly believe that they hold a special place in the audiophile world that's all their own. > > Several months ago I found a Technics SA-400 receiver in MINT condition. Ever since I found it, I have been listening to it in my workroom. I also do recording/playback tests through it. It has a great sound. I really have a soft spot for these old "wood" cabinet SA series receivers. An SA-303 was the very first piece of "good" audio gear I ever owned when I was a kid. > > But now I have also found a Pioneer SX-780 in very near MINT condition. I have been listening to it instead of the Technics. I have never been a fan of Pioneer stuff, but I have to say that I have been extremely impressed with this receiver. It's not quite as crisp sounding as the Technics....some would say this lack of crispness was "muddy", but then others would praise that same sound as being "warm", so it's all in how you look at it (or should I say "listen"?). > > I really don't need TWO vintage receivers in my workroom, so I am looking for opinions. Which one should I keep? Both receivers are in PERFECT working order, with all functions, knobs, lights, switches, etc. present and accounted for. > > I am hoping that there are others who have owned one (or maybe both) of these classic receivers and can give me some background information on why they did or did not like them. > > They both sound very good to my ears, and I'm sure I could make up my mind based solely on a comparison listening test, but I am still interested in hearing what others might have to say on the subject. > > P.S.: I have less than $17 invested in these...and I mean for BOTH of them! > > > *andy* From george.valkov at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 09:42:18 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:42:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Which Vintage Receiver Should I Keep? In-Reply-To: <031920080216.203.47E0776E00001436000000CB22165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <031920080216.203.47E0776E00001436000000CB22165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <518b7b10803190142x4b7c884au378c973843071908@mail.gmail.com> This is a perfect topic for the Audiotalk list, which is why it would make sense to move it across, so please post your replies there, i.e. delete Naktalk when replying to this message. George On 3/19/08, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > OK, this isn't really related to Nakamichi decks, except to say that I listen to one of these receivers in my workroom whilst I work on them....is that relevant enough? LOL > > I am just old enough to fondly recall the days of silver-faced receivers with gorgeous "simulated wood" cabinets. I love the sound of some of these receivers, and I honestly believe that they hold a special place in the audiophile world that's all their own. > > Several months ago I found a Technics SA-400 receiver in MINT condition. Ever since I found it, I have been listening to it in my workroom. I also do recording/playback tests through it. It has a great sound. I really have a soft spot for these old "wood" cabinet SA series receivers. An SA-303 was the very first piece of "good" audio gear I ever owned when I was a kid. > > But now I have also found a Pioneer SX-780 in very near MINT condition. I have been listening to it instead of the Technics. I have never been a fan of Pioneer stuff, but I have to say that I have been extremely impressed with this receiver. It's not quite as crisp sounding as the Technics....some would say this lack of crispness was "muddy", but then others would praise that same sound as being "warm", so it's all in how you look at it (or should I say "listen"?). > > I really don't need TWO vintage receivers in my workroom, so I am looking for opinions. Which one should I keep? Both receivers are in PERFECT working order, with all functions, knobs, lights, switches, etc. present and accounted for. > > I am hoping that there are others who have owned one (or maybe both) of these classic receivers and can give me some background information on why they did or did not like them. > > They both sound very good to my ears, and I'm sure I could make up my mind based solely on a comparison listening test, but I am still interested in hearing what others might have to say on the subject. > > P.S.: I have less than $17 invested in these...and I mean for BOTH of them! > > > *andy* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Mar 19 11:16:08 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:16:08 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Message-ID: Hi Kevin, Which turntable you have?! never heard of so many hum problems with a turntable! Ali In a message dated 3/18/2008 6:23:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, shoeihell at yahoo.com writes: Ben, I have a very small listening room with plaster walls and a hardwood floor. I was getting so much feedback into my TT from the speaker stack, that I made a suspended cage out of Plexiglas for the TT and hung it from the ceiling. That only solved part of the problem, because my speaker stack is right next to the hanging TT. If I record with my speakers on, I get horrific hum in the TT, so I record now with the speakers off and use headphones. The big CRT TV and its components are pretty close as well and so I make sure they're all off. I still have a slight bit of hum when the TT motor is running-I've tried grounding just the motor itself and all variants of grounding the TT and still it persists. If I had the space, I'd spread everything out like it used to be (in other houses) and see what happens. Because everything is so close, I take extra care when using the demag on the cassette players and the R2R-remove all the magnetic tapes into another room etc. I bulk erase in the kitchen etc.;-) Sounds like you're on the right track to me. Kevin Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:19:51 -0400 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8CA56D735909279-E58-34E8 at webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After cherry picking all of the gems and ignoring mosts of the tit for tat stuff because I didn't understand half of it, I am starting to LOL about my set up.? There are now 4 decks in my unit which has had upto 11 before now, all usually stacked upon or very near each other.? In central drawers next to my decks (20 CM's away) are my blank and recorded tapes. and the other side of my decks (8 inches away) are the speakers.? What happens to the recorded tapes when I demagnetise a deck,? (using a long probe annis) or indeed the other decks, I have no idea. but i am guessing it is not a good scenario.? So, i am considering: 1.? Moving speakers 50 cm away from anything that may be adversely affected. 2.? Take decks away to the work bench to be demagnetised. 3.? Demag all decks at once and start from a clean sheet. Now need to modify the oak unit to allow easier removal of the decks.? Could probably do with some wheels on it too! What a varied hobby this is! Thanks to all contributors. Cheers, Ben ______________________________________________________________________________ ______ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Mar 19 11:18:47 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:18:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Message-ID: Hi Ben, How many ZXL do you have?! Do you have to say OH MY GOD?!! when you enter your room that hold all this gear?!! :) Ali In a message dated 3/19/2008 4:21:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Hi Kevin & Tom, Thanks for your feedback, I will certainly try the magetometer and see if I can prove the new arrangements are satisfactory for how I intend to operate. I like the idea of turning the speakers off while recoding from the TT, that may be worth trying too. Now My ZXL has new relays fitted and I can select the Dolby C unit reliably, I had intended to re-record lots of stuff anyway, so a good time to try some new things. All my decks now have dolby b & c so the next thing to do is to make sure the reference levels are all calibrated properly so there is no issue using noise reduction and playing tapes on other decks and indeed, playin g them back on the deck they were recorded on. Another project there then. Never had any wall mounted speakers either, now that's an idea. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 3:14 am Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Ben, I have a very small listening room with plaster walls and a hardwood floor. I was getting so much feedback into my TT from the speaker stack, that I made a suspended cage out of Plexiglas for the TT and hung it from the ceiling. That only solved part of the problem, because my speaker stack is right next to the hanging TT. If I record with my speakers on, I get horrific hum in the TT, so I record now with the speakers off and use headphones. The big CRT TV and its components are pretty close as well and so I make sure they're all off. I still have a slight bit of hum when the TT motor is running-I've tried grounding just the motor itself and all variants of grounding the TT and still it persists. If I had the space, I'd spread everything out like it used to be (in other houses) and see what happens. Because everything is so close, I take extra care when using the demag on the cassette players and the R2R-remove all the magnetic tapes into another room etc. I bulk erase in the kitchen etc.;-) Sounds like you're on the right track to me. Kevin Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:19:51 -0400 From: _benstratford at aol.co.uk_ (mailto:benstratford at aol.co.uk) Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising To: _naktalk at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Message-ID: <_8CA56D735909279-E58-34E8 at webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com_ (mailto:8CA56D735909279-E58-34E8 at webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com) > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After cherry picking all of the gems and ignoring mosts of the tit for tat stuff because I didn't understand half of it, I am starting to LOL about my set up.? There are now 4 decks in my unit which has had upto 11 before now, all usually stacked upon or very near each other.? In central drawers next to my decks (20 CM's away) are my blank and recorded tapes. and the other side of my decks (8 inches away) are the speakers.? What happens to the recorded tapes when I demagnetise a deck,? (using a long probe annis) or indeed the other decks, I have no idea. but i am guessing it is not a good scenario.? So, i am considering: 1.? Moving speakers 50 cm away from anything that may be adversely affected. 2.? Take decks away to the work bench to be demagnetised. 3.? Demag all decks at once and start from a clean sheet. Now need to modify the oak unit to allow easier removal of the decks.? Could probably do with some wheels on it too! What a varied hobby this is! Thanks to all contributors. Cheers, Ben ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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In-Reply-To: <031920080216.203.47E0776E00001436000000CB22165662769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: OK this is what you do. You get a coin and you say to yourself heads for X and tails for Y. Then you toss the coin. When you see the result you will get an instant reaction, positive or negative. Ignore what the coin says and go with your reaction. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: 19 March 2008 02:16 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Which Vintage Receiver Should I Keep? OK, this isn't really related to Nakamichi decks, except to say that I listen to one of these receivers in my workroom whilst I work on them....is that relevant enough? LOL I am just old enough to fondly recall the days of silver-faced receivers with gorgeous "simulated wood" cabinets. I love the sound of some of these receivers, and I honestly believe that they hold a special place in the audiophile world that's all their own. Several months ago I found a Technics SA-400 receiver in MINT condition. Ever since I found it, I have been listening to it in my workroom. I also do recording/playback tests through it. It has a great sound. I really have a soft spot for these old "wood" cabinet SA series receivers. An SA-303 was the very first piece of "good" audio gear I ever owned when I was a kid. But now I have also found a Pioneer SX-780 in very near MINT condition. I have been listening to it instead of the Technics. I have never been a fan of Pioneer stuff, but I have to say that I have been extremely impressed with this receiver. It's not quite as crisp sounding as the Technics....some would say this lack of crispness was "muddy", but then others would praise that same sound as being "warm", so it's all in how you look at it (or should I say "listen"?). I really don't need TWO vintage receivers in my workroom, so I am looking for opinions. Which one should I keep? Both receivers are in PERFECT working order, with all functions, knobs, lights, switches, etc. present and accounted for. I am hoping that there are others who have owned one (or maybe both) of these classic receivers and can give me some background information on why they did or did not like them. They both sound very good to my ears, and I'm sure I could make up my mind based solely on a comparison listening test, but I am still interested in hearing what others might have to say on the subject. P.S.: I have less than $17 invested in these...and I mean for BOTH of them! *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From benstratford at aol.co.uk Wed Mar 19 19:00:47 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:00:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA58024A3B9554-FAC-677@webmail-nb12.sysops.aol.com> Hi Ali, I have 5 ZXL's but only 2 at home at present. Willy and tom have one each and are breathing new life into them.? The limited is in rehab at ESL.? One deck at home -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:18 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Hi Ben,?? How many ZXL do you have?!? Do you have to say OH MY GOD?!! when you enter your room that hold all this gear?!!? :)?? Ali ? In a message dated 3/19/2008 4:21:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Hi Kevin & Tom, Thanks for your feedback, I will certainly try the magetometer and see if I can prove the new arrangements are satisfactory for how I intend to operate.? I like the idea of turning the speakers off while recoding from the TT, that may be worth trying too.? Now My ZXL has new relays fitted and I can?select the Dolby C unit reliably, I had intended to re-record lots of stuff anyway, so a good time to try some new things.? All my decks now have dolby b & c so the next thing to do is to make sure the reference levels are all calibrated properly so there is no issue using noise reduction and playing tapes on other decks and indeed, playing them back on the deck they were recorded on.? Another project there then. Never had any wall mounted speakers either, now that's an idea. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 3:14 am Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Ben, I have a very small listening room with plaster walls and a hardwood floor. I was getting so much feedback into my TT from the speaker stack, that I made a suspended cage out of Plexiglas for the TT and hung it from the ceiling. That only solved part of the problem, because my speaker stack is right next to the hanging TT. If I record with my speakers on, I get horrific hum in the TT, so I record now with the speakers off and use headphones. The big CRT TV and its components are pretty close as well and so I make sure they're all off. I still have a slight bit of hum when the TT motor is running-I've tried grounding just the motor itself and all variants of grounding the TT and still it persists. If I had the space, I'd spread everything out like it used to be (in other houses) and see what happens. Because everything is so close, I take extra care when using the demag on the cassette players and the R2R-remove all the magnetic tapes into another room etc. I bulk erase in the kitchen etc.;-) Sounds like you're on the right track to me. Kevin Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:19:51 -0400 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8CA56D735909279-E58-34E8 at webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After cherry picking all of the gems and ignoring mosts of the tit for tat stuff because I didn't understand half of it, I am starting to LOL about my set up.? There are now 4 decks in my unit which has had upto 11 before now, all usually stacked upon or very near each other.? In central drawers next to my decks (20 CM's away) are my blank and recorded tapes. and the other side of my decks (8 inches away) are the speakers.? What happens to the recorded tapes when I demagnetise a deck,? (using a long probe annis) or indeed the other decks, I have no idea. but i am guessing it is not a good scenario.? So, i am considering: 1.? Moving speakers 50 cm away from anything that may be adversely affected. 2.? Take decks away to the work bench to be demagnetised. 3.? Demag all decks at once and start from a clean sheet. Now need to modify the oak unit to allow easier removal of the decks.? Could probably do with some wheels on it too! What a varied hobby this is! Thanks to all contributors. Cheers, Ben ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Supercharge your AIM. 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I usually restrict my posts to the ZXL forum as they can provoke bickering ( http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/1000ZXL/?) but one once in a while here may be ok. It will be good to get a group photo when they are all together one day soon hopefully. Still enjoy my other naks too. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:18 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Hi Ben,?? How many ZXL do you have?!? Do you have to say OH MY GOD?!! when you enter your room that hold all this gear?!!? :)?? Ali ? In a message dated 3/19/2008 4:21:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Hi Kevin & Tom, Thanks for your feedback, I will certainly try the magetometer and see if I can prove the new arrangements are satisfactory for how I intend to operate.? I like the idea of turning the speakers off while recoding from the TT, that may be worth trying too.? Now My ZXL has new relays fitted and I can?select the Dolby C unit reliably, I had intended to re-record lots of stuff anyway, so a good time to try some new things.? All my decks now have dolby b & c so the next thing to do is to make sure the reference levels are all calibrated properly so there is no issue using noise reduction and playing tapes on other decks and indeed, playing them back on the deck they were recorded on.? Another project there then. Never had any wall mounted speakers either, now that's an idea. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 3:14 am Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Ben, I have a very small listening room with plaster walls and a hardwood floor. I was getting so much feedback into my TT from the speaker stack, that I made a suspended cage out of Plexiglas for the TT and hung it from the ceiling. That only solved part of the problem, because my speaker stack is right next to the hanging TT. If I record with my speakers on, I get horrific hum in the TT, so I record now with the speakers off and use headphones. The big CRT TV and its components are pretty close as well and so I make sure they're all off. I still have a slight bit of hum when the TT motor is running-I've tried grounding just the motor itself and all variants of grounding the TT and still it persists. If I had the space, I'd spread everything out like it used to be (in other houses) and see what happens. Because everything is so close, I take extra care when using the demag on the cassette players and the R2R-remove all the magnetic tapes into another room etc. I bulk erase in the kitchen etc.;-) Sounds like you're on the right track to me. Kevin Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:19:51 -0400 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8CA56D735909279-E58-34E8 at webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After cherry picking all of the gems and ignoring mosts of the tit for tat stuff because I didn't understand half of it, I am starting to LOL about my set up.? There are now 4 decks in my unit which has had upto 11 before now, all usually stacked upon or very near each other.? In central drawers next to my decks (20 CM's away) are my blank and recorded tapes. and the other side of my decks (8 inches away) are the speakers.? What happens to the recorded tapes when I demagnetise a deck,? (using a long probe annis) or indeed the other decks, I have no idea. but i am guessing it is not a good scenario.? So, i am considering: 1.? Moving speakers 50 cm away from anything that may be adversely affected. 2.? Take decks away to the work bench to be demagnetised. 3.? Demag all decks at once and start from a clean sheet. Now need to modify the oak unit to allow easier removal of the decks.? Could probably do with some wheels on it too! What a varied hobby this is! Thanks to all contributors. Cheers, Ben ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Supercharge your AIM. 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URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Wed Mar 19 15:40:52 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:40:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Which Vintage Receiver Should I Keep? Message-ID: <031920081440.28334.47E125F300093A7200006EAE22216125569B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> enjoy both! Put each in a different room and switch when mood fancies or give/sell to a kid who would appreciate.....dino -------------- Original message from Ron : -------------- > > This is really OT here, so I responded on AudioTalk. > > > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > OK, this isn't really related to Nakamichi decks, except to say that I listen > to one of these receivers in my workroom whilst I work on them....is that > relevant enough? LOL > > > > I am just old enough to fondly recall the days of silver-faced receivers with > gorgeous "simulated wood" cabinets. I love the sound of some of these > receivers, and I honestly believe that they hold a special place in the > audiophile world that's all their own. > > > > Several months ago I found a Technics SA-400 receiver in MINT condition. Ever > since I found it, I have been listening to it in my workroom. I also do > recording/playback tests through it. It has a great sound. I really have a > soft spot for these old "wood" cabinet SA series receivers. An SA-303 was the > very first piece of "good" audio gear I ever owned when I was a kid. > > > > But now I have also found a Pioneer SX-780 in very near MINT condition. I > have been listening to it instead of the Technics. I have never been a fan of > Pioneer stuff, but I have to say that I have been extremely impressed with this > receiver. It's not quite as crisp sounding as the Technics....some would say > this lack of crispness was "muddy", but then others would praise that same sound > as being "warm", so it's all in how you look at it (or should I say "listen"?). > > > > I really don't need TWO vintage receivers in my workroom, so I am looking for > opinions. Which one should I keep? Both receivers are in PERFECT working > order, with all functions, knobs, lights, switches, etc. present and accounted > for. > > > > I am hoping that there are others who have owned one (or maybe both) of these > classic receivers and can give me some background information on why they did or > did not like them. > > > > They both sound very good to my ears, and I'm sure I could make up my mind > based solely on a comparison listening test, but I am still interested in > hearing what others might have to say on the subject. > > > > P.S.: I have less than $17 invested in these...and I mean for BOTH of them! > > > > > > *andy* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hansp at telusplanet.net Wed Mar 19 15:00:55 2008 From: hansp at telusplanet.net (Hans Papenhoven) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:00:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Manual Message-ID: <000601c889c9$a9cb1670$7c00a8c0@yourphtw5cynhc> Good Day Require manual for 680ZX and also Service manual for 480 & 680ZX. Does anyone know I can download one for free. Hans -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mick.etherington at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 16:52:21 2008 From: mick.etherington at gmail.com (Mick Etherington) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:52:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Need BX-300E Service Manual In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003b01c889d9$3bfc2cf0$0200a8c0@deadmort> You could try here http://www.hifiengine.com/manuals/nakamichi/bx-300.shtml. You will need to create an account but it is free Mick > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Mercedes Benz > Sent: 19 March 2008 09:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Need BX-300E Service Manual > > Hi everyone! > > I need the COMPLETE Service Manual for BX-300E. > > I have downloaded the manual from NakTalk Documents page but > it is in-complete as all the other sites where it can be > downloaded from. The version which is freely available on the > net is 17.4Mb from which the whole sections 6 (Mechanical > Assembly) & 7 (Mounting Diagrams & Parts List) are missing. > > So if anyone has got the full version and willing to email it > to me, then can you please mail it at "nadeem at smicare.net > " I will be grateful. > > Thanks & best regards, > > Nadeem > > > ________________________________ > > Everything in one place. All new Windows Live! > > From pgreenleaf at cfl.rr.com Wed Mar 19 22:11:14 2008 From: pgreenleaf at cfl.rr.com (The Greenleaf's) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:11:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Need BX-300E Service Manual References: Message-ID: <01d401c88a05$c493cfb0$6601a8c0@wtgd24g> Nadeem, I found this web site that has all sorts of manuals. You need to have an account but they are no charge. I'm pretty sure they have what you need. Here is the link: www.hifiengine.com Regards, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Mercedes Benz To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 5:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] Need BX-300E Service Manual Hi everyone! I need the COMPLETE Service Manual for BX-300E. I have downloaded the manual from NakTalk Documents page but it is in-complete as all the other sites where it can be downloaded from. The version which is freely available on the net is 17.4Mb from which the whole sections 6 (Mechanical Assembly) & 7 (Mounting Diagrams & Parts List) are missing. So if anyone has got the full version and willing to email it to me, then can you please mail it at "nadeem at smicare.net" I will be grateful. Thanks & best regards, Nadeem ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Everything in one place. 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Bob N Mercedes Benz wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Hi everyone! I need the COMPLETE Service Manual for BX-300E. I have downloaded the manual from NakTalk Documents page but it is in-complete as all the other sites where it can be downloaded from. The version which is freely available on the net is 17.4Mb from which the whole sections 6 (Mechanical Assembly) & 7 (Mounting Diagrams & Parts List) are missing. So if anyone has got the full version and willing to email it to me, then can you please mail it at "nadeem at smicare.net" I will be grateful. Thanks & best regards, Nadeem --------------------------------- Everything in one place. 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I have the manual you need so if I get the correct address I can send it to you. Bob N Mercedes Benz wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Hi everyone! I need the COMPLETE Service Manual for BX-300E. I have downloaded the manual from NakTalk Documents page but it is in-complete as all the other sites where it can be downloaded from. The version which is freely available on the net is 17.4Mb from which the whole sections 6 (Mechanical Assembly) & 7 (Mounting Diagrams & Parts List) are missing. So if anyone has got the full version and willing to email it to me, then can you please mail it at "nadeem at smicare.net" I will be grateful. Thanks & best regards, Nadeem --------------------------------- Everything in one place. 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Alfie Noakes Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:05 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Which Vintage Receiver Should I Keep? OK this is what you do. You get a coin and you say to yourself heads for X and tails for Y. Then you toss the coin. When you see the result you will get an instant reaction, positive or negative. Ignore what the coin says and go with your reaction. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 20 03:18:55 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:18:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Message-ID: <13614886.1205979535510.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 20 04:25:37 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:25:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Manual In-Reply-To: <000601c889c9$a9cb1670$7c00a8c0@yourphtw5cynhc> References: <000601c889c9$a9cb1670$7c00a8c0@yourphtw5cynhc> Message-ID: <47E1D931.2070703@rcn.com> I don't know where you can download these manuals from. However, I do have them, so do let me know if you want me to email them to you. Regards, -- Ron Hans Papenhoven wrote: > Good Day > > Require manual for 680ZX and also Service manual for 480 & 680ZX. Does > anyone know I can download one for free. > > Hans > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu Mar 20 04:15:23 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:15:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manual In-Reply-To: <000601c889c9$a9cb1670$7c00a8c0@yourphtw5cynhc> References: <000601c889c9$a9cb1670$7c00a8c0@yourphtw5cynhc> Message-ID: <20080320031521.PID11989.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Hans, Here ya go for the 680ZX ovwner and service manuals.. http://www.analogstereo.com/nakamichi/nakamichi_680zx_service_manual.htm scroll down to the bottom of the page to get the 480 info. The other place to try as an alternative is ebaman.com Roland At 10:00 AM 3/19/2008, you wrote: >Good Day > >Require manual for 680ZX and also Service manual for 480 & 680ZX. >Does anyone know I can download one for free. > >Hans >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Mar 20 05:03:33 2008 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:03:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising References: <8CA58024A3B9554-FAC-677@webmail-nb12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002b01c88a3f$5ea62a60$1dd517c4@home> 1000 ZXL's or 700 ZXL's ? Just curious! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: benstratford at aol.co.uk To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Hi Ali, I have 5 ZXL's but only 2 at home at present. Willy and tom have one each and are breathing new life into them. The limited is in rehab at ESL. One deck at home -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:18 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Hi Ben, How many ZXL do you have?! Do you have to say OH MY GOD?!! when you enter your room that hold all this gear?!! :) Ali In a message dated 3/19/2008 4:21:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Hi Kevin & Tom, Thanks for your feedback, I will certainly try the magetometer and see if I can prove the new arrangements are satisfactory for how I intend to operate. I like the idea of turning the speakers off while recoding from the TT, that may be worth trying too. Now My ZXL has new relays fitted and I can select the Dolby C unit reliably, I had intended to re-record lots of stuff anyway, so a good time to try some new things. All my decks now have dolby b & c so the next thing to do is to make sure the reference levels are all calibrated properly so there is no issue using noise reduction and playing tapes on other decks and indeed, playing them back on the deck they were recorded on. Another project there then. Never had any wall mounted speakers either, now that's an idea. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 3:14 am Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Ben, I have a very small listening room with plaster walls and a hardwood floor. I was getting so much feedback into my TT from the speaker stack, that I made a suspended cage out of Plexiglas for the TT and hung it from the ceiling. That only solved part of the problem, because my speaker stack is right next to the hanging TT. If I record with my speakers on, I get horrific hum in the TT, so I record now with the speakers off and use headphones. The big CRT TV and its components are pretty close as well and so I make sure they're all off. I still have a slight bit of hum when the TT motor is running-I've tried grounding just the motor itself and all variants of grounding the TT and still it persists. If I had the space, I'd spread everything out like it used to be (in other houses) and see what happens. Because everything is so close, I take extra care when using the demag on the cassette players and the R2R-remove all the magnetic tapes into another room etc. I bulk erase in the kitchen etc.;-) Sounds like you're on the right track to me. Kevin Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:19:51 -0400 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8CA56D735909279-E58-34E8 at webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After cherry picking all of the gems and ignoring mosts of the tit for tat stuff because I didn't understand half of it, I am starting to LOL about my set up.? There are now 4 decks in my unit which has had upto 11 before now, all usually stacked upon or very near each other.? In central drawers next to my decks (20 CM's away) are my blank and recorded tapes. and the other side of my decks (8 inches away) are the speakers.? What happens to the recorded tapes when I demagnetise a deck,? (using a long probe annis) or indeed the other decks, I have no idea. but i am guessing it is not a good scenario.? So, i am considering: 1.? Moving speakers 50 cm away from anything that may be adversely affected. 2.? Take decks away to the work bench to be demagnetised. 3.? Demag all decks at once and start from a clean sheet. Now need to modify the oak unit to allow easier removal of the decks.? Could probably do with some wheels on it too! What a varied hobby this is! Thanks to all contributors. Cheers, Ben ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:19 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Ben, You may have more ZXLs than children! tom brucker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From a.plaza at comcast.net Thu Mar 20 18:16:35 2008 From: a.plaza at comcast.net (Antonio Plaza) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:16:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR-10 Message-ID: <001001c88aae$2bc480a0$db29fea9@m5g6d2> Hi: I have a Nakamichi DR-10 tape deck that I bought few years ago, but I haven't really used that much, I think that since I bought it brand new, I have probably used it a total of 10 hours. Few days ago I tried to play a tape, and the deck stopped few seconds after the playback button was depressed. It just doesn't work as it should, every time I depress the playback button, the deck stops after few seconds of playing back. Can anybody give me an idea on what could be wrong with this deck, a good place to get it repaired, and an idea on how much would it cost to fix it?. Thanks, Antonio Plaza. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Thu Mar 20 09:39:54 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:39:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising In-Reply-To: <13614886.1205979535510.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13614886.1205979535510.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CA587D1AADEE4F-F40-15CF@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com> Hi Tom, Yes, it fails on the bias section, sometimes struggles to achieve azimuth too with metals but fine with type 2.? Will have a look at the bias setting for sure.? Def -----Original Message----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Ben, ? if the ABLE fails on the Bias portion of the calibration, then the setting for maximum bias ?level may be off. If it fails in Eq, ?or Level, then looking at the bias may not help much. The blinking A.B.L.E. lights actually tell you what mode the calibration is in during the process. You may have more ZXLs than children! ? tom brucker ? -----Original Message----- From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Sent: Mar 19, 2008 1:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Hi Ali, I have 5 ZXL's but only 2 at home at present. Willy and Tom have one each and are breathing new life into them.? The Limited is in rehab at ESL.? One deck at home is now fully functional thanks to Ron / Tom / Bala / Jeff / John Gipps / Kimo?for assistance over the last 12 months - I have learned a lot from you guys.? The other deck is improving,? New caps and relays fitted, as play and record / ABLE / level meters and extension dolby unit selection were all faulty, now the only problem is failure to calibrate metal tapes although other tapes are fine,? will be looking into the bias settings shortly, following that, new rubber should complete the rehab.? I usually restrict my posts to the ZXL forum as they can provoke bickering ( http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/1000ZXL/?) but one once in a while here may be ok. It will be good to get a group photo when they are all togeth! er one day soon hopefully. Still enjoy my other naks too. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:18 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Hi Ben,?? How many ZXL do you have?!? Do you have to say OH MY GOD?!! when you enter your room that hold all this gear?!!? :)?? Ali ? In a message dated 3/19/2008 4:21:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Hi Kevin & Tom, Thanks for your feedback, I will certainly try the magetometer and see if I can prove the new arrangements are satisfactory for how I intend to operate.? I like the idea of turning the speakers off while recoding from the TT, that may be worth trying too.? Now My ZXL has new relays fitted and I can?select the Dolby C unit reliably, I had intended to re-record lots of stuff anyway, so a good time to try some new things.? All my decks now have dolby b & c so the next thing to do is to make sure the reference levels are all calibrated properly so there is no issue using noise reduction and playing tapes on other decks and indeed, playing them back on the deck they were recorded on.? Another project there then. Never had any wall mounted speakers either, now that's an idea. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 3:14 am Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Ben, I have a very small listening room with plaster walls and a hardwood floor. I was getting so much feedback into my TT from the speaker stack, that I made a suspended cage out of Plexiglas for the TT and hung it from the ceiling. That only solved part of the problem, because my speaker stack is right next to the hanging TT. If I record with my speakers on, I get horrific hum in the TT, so I record now with the speakers off and use headphones. The big CRT TV and its components are pretty close as well and so I make sure they're all off. I still have a slight bit of hum when the TT motor is running-I've tried grounding just the motor itself and all variants of grounding the TT and still it persists. If I had the space, I'd spread everything out like it used to be (in other houses) and see what happens. Because everything is so close, I take extra care when using the demag on the cassette players and the R2R-remove all the magnetic tapes into another room etc. I bulk erase in the kitchen etc.;-) Sounds like you're on the right track to me. Kevin Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:19:51 -0400 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8CA56D735909279-E58-34E8 at webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After cherry picking all of the gems and ignoring mosts of the tit for tat stuff because I didn't understand half of it, I am starting to LOL about my set up.? There are now 4 decks in my unit which has had upto 11 before now, all usually stacked upon or very near each other.? In central drawers next to my decks (20 CM's away) are my blank and recorded tapes. and the other side of my decks (8 inches away) are the speakers.? What happens to the recorded tapes when I demagnetise a deck,? (using a long probe annis) or indeed the other decks, I have no idea. but i am guessing it is not a good scenario.? So, i am considering: 1.? Moving speakers 50 cm away from anything that may be adversely affected. 2.? Take decks away to the work bench to be demagnetised. 3.? Demag all decks at once and start from a clean sheet. Now need to modify the oak unit to allow easier removal of the decks.? Could probably do with some wheels on it too! What a varied hobby this is! Thanks to all contributors. Cheers, Ben ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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URL: From benstratford at aol.co.uk Thu Mar 20 09:44:06 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:44:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising In-Reply-To: <002b01c88a3f$5ea62a60$1dd517c4@home> References: <8CA58024A3B9554-FAC-677@webmail-nb12.sysops.aol.com> <002b01c88a3f$5ea62a60$1dd517c4@home> Message-ID: <8CA587DB0CD87AF-F40-15DA@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com> Hi Walter, There are 4 x 1000 ZXL, 1 x 1000 ZXL Limited.? Never had the 700 version (so far!) wouldn't mind one though. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: drewes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising 1000 ZXL's or 700 ZXL's? ? Just curious! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: benstratford at aol.co.uk To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Hi Ali, I have 5 ZXL's but only 2 at home at present. Willy and tom have one each and are breathing new life into them.? The limited is in rehab at ESL.? One deck at home -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:18 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Hi Ben,?? How many ZXL do you have?!? Do you have to say OH MY GOD?!! when you enter your room that hold all this gear?!!? :)?? Ali ? In a message dated 3/19/2008 4:21:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Hi Kevin & Tom, Thanks for your feedback, I will certainly try the magetometer and see if I can prove the new arrangements are satisfactory for how I intend to operate.? I like the idea of turning the speakers off while recoding from the TT, that may be worth trying too.? Now My ZXL has new relays fitted and I can?select the Dolby C unit reliably, I had intended to re-record lots of stuff anyway, so a good time to try some new things.? All my decks now have dolby b & c so the next thing to do is to make sure the reference levels are all calibrated properly so there is no issue using noise reduction and playing tapes on other decks and indeed, playing them back on the deck they were recorded on.? Another project there then. Never had any wall mounted speakers either, now that's an idea. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 3:14 am Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Ben, I have a very small listening room with plaster walls and a hardwood floor. I was getting so much feedback into my TT from the speaker stack, that I made a suspended cage out of Plexiglas for the TT and hung it from the ceiling. That only solved part of the problem, because my speaker stack is right next to the hanging TT. If I record with my speakers on, I get horrific hum in the TT, so I record now with the speakers off and use headphones. The big CRT TV and its components are pretty close as well and so I make sure they're all off. I still have a slight bit of hum when the TT motor is running-I've tried grounding just the motor itself and all variants of grounding the TT and still it persists. If I had the space, I'd spread everything out like it used to be (in other houses) and see what happens. Because everything is so close, I take extra care when using the demag on the cassette players and the R2R-remove all the magnetic tapes into another room etc. I bulk erase in the kitchen etc.;-) Sounds like you're on the right track to me. Kevin Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:19:51 -0400 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8CA56D735909279-E58-34E8 at webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After cherry picking all of the gems and ignoring mosts of the tit for tat stuff because I didn't understand half of it, I am starting to LOL about my set up.? There are now 4 decks in my unit which has had upto 11 before now, all usually stacked upon or very near each other.? In central drawers next to my decks (20 CM's away) are my blank and recorded tapes. and the other side of my decks (8 inches away) are the speakers.? What happens to the recorded tapes when I demagnetise a deck,? (using a long probe annis) or indeed the other decks, I have no idea. but i am guessing it is not a good scenario.? So, i am considering: 1.? Moving speakers 50 cm away from anything that may be adversely affected. 2.? Take decks away to the work bench to be demagnetised. 3.? Demag all decks at once and start from a clean sheet. Now need to modify the oak unit to allow easier removal of the decks.? Could probably do with some wheels on it too! What a varied hobby this is! Thanks to all contributors. Cheers, Ben ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Supercharge your AIM. 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It's a little under two years since I fitted a new idler tire and I'd be surprised if the deck had done more than 150 hours since then. Could the tire be ready for a replacement so soon? Or should I be looking at the capstan belt which, to my knowledge, has never been changed? Or something else This has really ticked me off because this deck can sound so good but (time to be controversial) it’s nowhere near as reliable as the old bells-and-whistles Aiwa I just sold. Can anyone help out with this one please? Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From digiacomoaudio at earthlink.net Thu Mar 20 15:27:31 2008 From: digiacomoaudio at earthlink.net (Darren DiGiacomo) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:27:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] pioneer sx 780 Message-ID: <410-220083420142731693@earthlink.net> Hi you can go to audiokarma and can help you there are a lot in to old stereos Darren DiGiacomo digiacomoaudio at earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hansp at telusplanet.net Thu Mar 20 11:07:06 2008 From: hansp at telusplanet.net (Hans Papenhoven) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:07:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Manual References: <000601c889c9$a9cb1670$7c00a8c0@yourphtw5cynhc> <47E1D931.2070703@rcn.com> Message-ID: <003201c88a72$29da0d00$7c00a8c0@yourphtw5cynhc> Yes Ron please do email them. I have been unable to download from Analogstereo. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual > > I don't know where you can download these > manuals from. However, I do have them, so > do let me know if you want me to email > them to you. > > Regards, > > -- Ron > > > > > Hans Papenhoven wrote: >> Good Day >> Require manual for 680ZX and also Service manual for 480 & 680ZX. Does >> anyone know I can download one for free. >> Hans >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kearica at aol.com Thu Mar 20 19:48:02 2008 From: kearica at aol.com (kearica at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:48:02 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZXLs In-Reply-To: <84E341D88923483E9D02855247615731@GrahamNPC> References: <13614886.1205979535510.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net><84E341D88923483E9D02855247615731@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: <630322765-1206035366-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-335056110-@bxe139.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Have a 1000 zxl. I may need to sell. Any offers. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "Graham A Nelson" Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 12:46:19 To:"'Tom Brucker'" , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Subject: [naktalk] ZXLs Wish I had!   Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:19 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Ben,  You may have more ZXLs than children!   tom brucker  ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Mar 20 20:52:15 2008 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (drewes) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:52:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] eBay connnector/speaker Plugs Message-ID: <001901c88ac3$e661e410$23d117c4@home> Is there anyway one can pre-eliminate the fast number of so called "Nakamichi Speaker/other connector plugs' auction items which proliferate Nakamichi auctions on eBay? 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URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Thu Mar 20 22:09:30 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:09:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Need BX-300E Service Manual In-Reply-To: <165761.12641.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <165761.12641.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mick and Bill for helping me find the manual and Bob and Ron for sending it to me. I appreciate it very much. Thanks once again. Best regards, Nadeem Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:37:49 -0700From: wotbob01 at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Need BX-300E Service ManualTo: naktalk at naks.comNadeem, I sent what you need directly to your e-mail address. I believe it's all there. Bob NMercedes Benz wrote: Hi everyone! I need the COMPLETE Service Manual for BX-300E. I have downloaded the manual from NakTalk Documents page but it is in-complete as all the other sites where it can be downloaded from. The version which is freely available on the net is 17.4Mb from which the whole sections 6 (Mechanical Assembly) & 7 (Mounting Diagrams & Parts List) are missing. So if anyone has got the full version and willing to email it to me, then can you please mail it at "nadeem at smicare.net" I will be grateful. Thanks & best regards, Nadeem Everything in one place. All new Windows Live! ========---------------------------------------------------------=========Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------=========Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Bobby ----- Original Message ----- From: drewes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] eBay connnector/speaker Plugs Is there anyway one can pre-eliminate the fast number of so called "Nakamichi Speaker/other connector plugs' auction items which proliferate Nakamichi auctions on eBay? In the past the copy manuals were sometimes a bit of a pain,but these for some reason or other have disappeared.They at least were of some benefit.The 'plug lot' really take the cake! walter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the past the copy manuals were sometimes a > bit of a pain,but these for some reason or other have disappeared.They at > least were of some benefit.The 'plug lot' really take the cake! > walter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tomas at tlec.se Fri Mar 21 06:25:42 2008 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 06:25:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manual In-Reply-To: <47E1D931.2070703@rcn.com> References: <000601c889c9$a9cb1670$7c00a8c0@yourphtw5cynhc> <47E1D931.2070703@rcn.com> Message-ID: Why dont you upload them to ebaman? Then they will be availble for everyone. With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:26 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual > > > I don't know where you can download these manuals from. > However, I do have them, so do let me know if you want me to > email them to you. > > Regards, > > -- Ron > > > > > Hans Papenhoven wrote: > > Good Day > > > > Require manual for 680ZX and also Service manual for 480 & > 680ZX. Does > > anyone know I can download one for free. > > > > Hans > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From tomas at tlec.se Fri Mar 21 06:28:57 2008 From: tomas at tlec.se (Tomas) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 06:28:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manual In-Reply-To: <47E1D931.2070703@rcn.com> References: <000601c889c9$a9cb1670$7c00a8c0@yourphtw5cynhc> <47E1D931.2070703@rcn.com> Message-ID: You can find all these manuals on my site, ebaman.com With best regards Tomas Larsson Sweden http://www.tlec.se http://www.ebaman.com Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:26 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Manual > > > I don't know where you can download these manuals from. > However, I do have them, so do let me know if you want me to > email them to you. > > Regards, > > -- Ron > > > > > Hans Papenhoven wrote: > > Good Day > > > > Require manual for 680ZX and also Service manual for 480 & > 680ZX. Does > > anyone know I can download one for free. > > > > Hans > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------===== > > ==== > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain > your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ---========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 21 00:16:36 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:16:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Squealing BX-300E In-Reply-To: <969210.98256.bm@omp214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <969210.98256.bm@omp214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47E2F054.8000808@rcn.com> cjlovesjazz wrote: > I've just put my BX-300E back in my main system and it's been performing > very well until a couple of days ago. Now on certain tapes I hear a > dreadful squealing noise which I can't track down. It can happen on > long tapes or short prerecorded ones. It might do it with the same tape > one day and not the next. Sometimes the reproduced sound is affected > (on one prerecorded tape it sounds like the worst blizzard of digital > noise I've ever heard) sometimes it's not affected at all - not to my > ears anyway. Sometimes there is a slowing down of tape travel, other > times not. Your problem could be sticksion: deteriorating tape (usually, old) has dried up and sticks to a head, rather than slide by it. If so, it's not a fault with the deck. However, once it appears, sticksion tends to be permanent and does not change from day to day. Squealing due to sticksion will be mechanical (audible from inside the transport) and/or electrical (coming from the speakers). This is because fluttering of the tape modulates the reproduced sound. It can also slow down the transport, due to the increased load on the capstan motor. AFAIK, there is no real solution to the problem. My own personal solution has been to discard the tape. Was hard to do. At least, for me. -- Ron > > > > The tape path is very clean, the rollers seem to be in very good > condition - I'm kind to them and I use American Recorders S-721H. > It's a little under two years since I fitted a new idler tire and I'd be > surprised if the deck had done more than 150 hours since then. > > Could the tire be ready for a replacement so soon? Or should I be > looking at the capstan belt which, to my knowledge, has never been > changed? Or something else… > > This has really ticked me off because this deck can sound so good but > (time to be controversial) it’s nowhere near as reliable as the old > bells-and-whistles Aiwa I just sold. > > > > Can anyone help out with this one please? > > > > Chris From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 21 00:31:37 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:31:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] eBay connnector/speaker Plugs In-Reply-To: <001901c88ac3$e661e410$23d117c4@home> References: <001901c88ac3$e661e410$23d117c4@home> Message-ID: <47E2F3D9.4000008@rcn.com> drewes wrote: > Is there anyway one can pre-eliminate the fast number of so called > "Nakamichi Speaker/other connector plugs' auction items which > proliferate Nakamichi auctions on eBay? In the past the copy manuals > were sometimes a bit of a pain,but these for some reason or other have > disappeared.They at least were of some benefit.The 'plug lot' really > take the cake! > walter Walter, Try to add '-plug' (without the quote marks) as a search term. -- Ron From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Mar 21 00:11:46 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:11:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement 8096C Capstan Belt - FRED HAS A WINNER Message-ID: <032020082311.25965.47E2EF32000DAF000000656D22147564029C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hello, All: Although it is fairly easy to find a replacement capstan belt for Nakamichi decks with a dual-capstan transport made by Sankyo (BX series, CR series, RX-202, etc.), the same cannot be said for Nakamichi decks that have the standard (some call it "classic) dual-capstan transport. Finding a suitable capstan belt to replace the original belt on those decks can prove to be MUCH more difficult. I am talking about the capstan belt with the Nakamichi part #0C08096C--often called 8096C, for short. The reason is that the standard dual-capstan transport is a lot pickier about the size and tension of its capstan belt. Belts that fit "almost" good enough really aren't good enough at all. You will see increased wow/flutter and even tape skew problems if the replacement belt is too far off-spec. The only solution has been to find NOS belts or take a belt off of a parts deck. In both of these scenarios, the replacement belt may still cause problems due to age, wear, or improper storage. Fred (Marrs Communications) has been saying that he was able to get a belt manufactured that is an exact replacement for the elusive 8096C belt. He has even gone so far as to say that his belt would "meet spec" just like an original 8096C belt. He calls his belt an "8096D", to avoid any impression that he is offering NOS belts. My curiosity got the better of me, so I contacted him for details. Because he has been hearing about how I have been repairing decks for Naktalk members and others, Fred was kind enough to send me a sample for testing. It turns out that I had a customer's LX-3 that was a perfect candidate for putting Fred's belt to the test. This LX-3's capstan belt was completely stretched to the point where it had very, very little tension. The deck was only able to maintain proper tape speed for a couple of seconds before the speed fluctuated WILDLY and playback level dropped to inaudible levels. If this deck wasn't a good test of Fred's belt, I didn't know what would be. So I installed Fred's "8096D" belt. It fit perfectly and seemed to have just the right amount of tension when I felt it with my finger. But since the *real* proof comes when the belt is actually being used, I hooked the deck up to my T-100 and popped in one of my Nakamichi Speed/Wow & Flutter test tapes. (NOTE: I tested the playback with another tape BEFORE I inserted that valuable Nakamichi test tape!) I am happy to say that Fred's belt has produced EXCELLENT results on this ailing LX-3. Playback speed was absolutely rock-solid, with NO deviation or drifting. Wow/flutter measured less than 0.06% WTD RMS...EXACTLY ON SPEC for this particular machine. Two more things to consider: My particular T-100 is VERY picky and routinely measures wow/flutter a bit on the high side, AND this LX-3's tape transport is well-used, so it's entirely possible that Fred's belt might be giving me BETTER than spec results, but I can only go by what my T-100 measured. I played this customer's LX-3 deck for most of the day while I worked on other decks. The LX-3 gave me no problems whatsoever and sounded great. I'm sure that my customer is going to be very pleased. Based on this experience, it is my opinion that Fred's "8096D" belt is an excellent replacement for Nakamichi decks with the standard dual-capstan transport. I am VERY excited to know that someone finally has a PROPER replacement belt for Naks with the standard transport. The group of Naks with the standard transport includes some of the best decks Nakamichi ever made, and as such they deserve to be running in top condition. Fred's "8096D" capstan belt works better than any other belt I have tried thus far. DISCLAIMER: I wish to state right now that I am NOT affiliated with Fred or his belt business in any way. It makes no difference to me if Fred sells one million belts or zero belts. I was not asked to post these results, and I will receive no compensation for making this post. Believe me, if Fred's "8096D" belt was anything less than great, I would definitely say so. *andy* From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Fri Mar 21 04:29:35 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 03:29:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Message-ID: <032120080329.16080.47E32B9D0005C04C00003ED022218675169B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> (1) 700ZXL, (1) 700II, (1) Dragon, all working for now dan -------------- Original message from benstratford at aol.co.uk: -------------- Hi Walter, There are 4 x 1000 ZXL, 1 x 1000 ZXL Limited. Never had the 700 version (so far!) wouldn't mind one though. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: drewes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising 1000 ZXL's or 700 ZXL's ? Just curious! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: benstratford at aol.co.uk To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Hi Ali, I have 5 ZXL's but only 2 at home at present. Willy and tom have one each and are breathing new life into them. The limited is in rehab at ESL. One deck at home -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:18 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Hi Ben, How many ZXL do you have?! Do you have to say OH MY GOD?!! when you enter your room that hold all this gear?!! :) Ali In a message dated 3/19/2008 4:21:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Hi Kevin & Tom, Thanks for your feedback, I will certainly try the magetometer and see if I can prove the new arrangements are satisfactory for how I intend to operate. I like the idea of turning the speakers off while recoding from the TT, that may be worth trying too. Now My ZXL has new relays fitted and I can select the Dolby C unit reliably, I had intended to re-record lots of stuff anyway, so a good time to try some new things. All my decks now have dolby b & c so the next thing to do is to make sure the reference levels are all calibrated properly so there is no issue using noise reduction and playing tapes on other decks and indeed, playing them back on the deck they were recorded on. Another project there then. Never had any wall mounted speakers either, now that's an idea. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 3:14 am Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Ben, I have a very small listening room with plaster walls and a hardwood floor. I was getting so much feedback into my TT from the speaker stack, that I made a suspended cage out of Plexiglas for the TT and hung it from the ceiling. That only solved part of the problem, because my speaker stack is right next to the hanging TT. If I record with my speakers on, I get horrific hum in the TT, so I record now with the speakers off and use headphones. The big CRT TV and its components are pretty close as well and so I make sure they're all off. I still have a slight bit of hum when the TT motor is running-I've tried grounding just the motor itself and all variants of grounding the TT and still it persists. If I had the space, I'd spread everything out like it used to be (in other houses) and see what happens. Because everything is so close, I take extra care when using the demag on the cassette players and the R2R-remove all the magnetic tapes into another room etc. I bulk erase in the kitchen etc.;-) Sounds like you're on the right track to me. Kevin Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:19:51 -0400 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8CA56D735909279-E58-34E8 at webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After cherry picking all of the gems and ignoring mosts of the tit for tat stuff because I didn't understand half of it, I am starting to LOL about my set up.? There are now 4 decks in my unit which has had upto 11 before now, all usually stacked upon or very near each other.? In central drawers next to my decks (20 CM's away) are my blank and recorded tapes. and the other side of my decks (8 inches away) are the speakers.? What happens to the recorded tapes when I demagnetise a deck,? (using a long probe annis) or indeed the other decks, I have no idea. but i am guessing it is not a good scenario.? So, i am considering: 1.? Moving speakers 50 cm away from anything that may be adversely affected. 2.? Take decks away to the work bench to be demagnetised. 3.? Demag all decks at once and start from a clean sheet. Now need to modify the oak unit to allow easier removal of the decks.? Could probably do with some wheels on it too! What a varied hobby this is! Thanks to all contributors. Cheers, Ben ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Supercharge your AIM. 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There was a considerable difference in output voltages between the Left and Right channels when I adjusted for Playabck Head Height and Azimuth (almost 500-600mV difference). 2. I could not achieve 1V output (as suggested by the service manual) on the Left Channel while calibrating the Playabck Level (VR101, VR102). Even when VR101 was turned to the max position I could only achieve 0.92V so I left it at that, there was no problem on the VR102. 3. When I tested the deck for playback afterwards it sounded great on the headphones but crap when connected to my Amp (Rotel RA-04). 4. The Bias pot does not respond at all no matter which direction it is turned and however much. 5. I also noticed a strange thing when I accidentally played the blank side of a cassette which I had recorded earlier on my Cassette Deck1 and on my headphone I could hear a faint sound which I can only describe as Reverse Playaback of the recording on the pre-recorded side. 6. And lastly, I also noticed that after recording on the blank side of the cassette on the BX300 I think that the reocrding on the other side lost a bit of high frequency response. The Erase head alignment looks a bit crooked to me visually and as compared with my other decks. I know that its a long list but could it be linked to just one thing gone wrong or couple of thing? So, any ideas, any clues anyone? Your feedback will be appreciated. Thanks & best regards, Nadeem _________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the next generation of Windows Live http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Mar 21 13:55:29 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:55:29 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Squealing BX-300E Message-ID: <032120081255.20298.47E3B0410003993300004F4A22165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Chris: It sounds like you are experiencing tape squeal, which is an incurable disease that affects some tapes. Your deck is OK. The tape "dries out" and can no longer move as fluidly as it once did. The sound you are hearing is the sound of the tape spools scraping against the inner walls of the cassette shell. This mechanical noise is often transmitted into the tape heads and can be heard quite loudly through the speakers. On particularly bad tapes, you can actually remove the tape from the deck, and using a pencil, you can wind the spools fast enough to get the tape to squeal on its own. Some tapes are in a borderline state and will squeal only part of the time. Over time, however, the tape will start to squeal more and more. Hope this information helps you. If you have any more questions or problems, please don't hesitate to ask me! *andy* From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Mar 21 16:50:56 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:50:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Squealing BX-300E In-Reply-To: <032120081255.20298.47E3B0410003993300004F4A22165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <032120081255.20298.47E3B0410003993300004F4A22165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <17d5ee910803210850m3fd12372we548b9afc4ca13b1@mail.gmail.com> Hi Andy, in this case, could re-shelling the tapes help? 2008/3/21, hwbosshoss at comcast.net : > > > Hi, Chris: > > It sounds like you are experiencing tape squeal, which is an incurable > disease > that affects some tapes. > > Your deck is OK. > > The tape "dries out" and can no longer move as fluidly as it once > did. The > sound you are hearing is the sound of the tape spools scraping against the > inner > walls of the cassette shell. This mechanical noise is often transmitted > into > the tape heads and can be heard quite loudly through the speakers. > > On particularly bad tapes, you can actually remove the tape from the deck, > and > using a pencil, you can wind the spools fast enough to get the tape to > squeal on > its own. > > Some tapes are in a borderline state and will squeal only part of the > time. > Over time, however, the tape will start to squeal more and more. > > Hope this information helps you. If you have any more questions or > problems, > please don't hesitate to ask me! > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Mar 21 17:13:30 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:13:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 480 and worn tapes Message-ID: <17d5ee910803210913u17937e43oca7e224a06c835b@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I got a Nak 480 last week. It works very well with cassettes that are in good condition, but it slows down and stops with cassettes that are a bit worn out. It has absolutely no problem with fast forward and rewind with those tapes, by the way. Also, with a few tapes, it takes a few seconds before hearing the high frequencies. The timer doesn't always turn, indicating there's probably a problem with it's belts. Would the capstan belt need to be changed as well? -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Mar 21 19:22:08 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:22:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cobalt tape? In-Reply-To: <6bddc1110711190926r3fa7b55aj4fd4b372c75fc536@mail.gmail.com> References: <4740AEAC.6020804@yahoo.ca> <6bddc1110711190926r3fa7b55aj4fd4b372c75fc536@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910803211122u693d2897iabe23babcee3ed10@mail.gmail.com> I finally thought about contacting them, and they sent me a spec sheet. I sent it to Tim. If anyone else wants to have a look, just ask me. National Audio told me that they have more output than chrome tapes, but less high frequency response. 2007/11/19, Tim Skorick : > > I'd like to see a frequency curve for those tapes - either they're more or > less the same as vanilla Type II / IV or there would be some bias adjustment > necessary. Is National Audio the actual tape manufacturer/assembler? > > -Tim > > On Nov 18, 2007 3:29 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I stumbled on this website a few minutes ago: > > http://nationalaudiocompany.com/ > > > > They build some audio cassettes, and I've seen they sell cobalt(??) > > cassette tapes as well as normal and chrome ones. It's the first time I > > hear about cobalt cassette tapes. > > > > I've just looked on wikipedia, they talk about cobalt there: > > 1. Used in 3M "High Energy" tapes, > > 2. Used in TDK's "avilyn" tapes, > > 3. Most "Chrome" and "Normal" tapes are in fact Cobalt+Ferrous oxide > > tapes with different mix proportions. > > > > Anyone could shine a light on this? What's the "better" type? Otherwise, > > > > they seem to make good cassettes, made in USA with Lenco shells, maybe > > it could be a good blank cassette source? > > > > I also found an article on availability of cassette tape components: > > http://www.loc.gov/nls/technical/cassettecomponents.html > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Mar 21 21:24:36 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:24:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Message-ID: Hi Ben, Wow 5 1000ZXL!!!! and thanks for sending caps for my 1000zxl that I was having a hard time finding. It will be great day when mine is fixed and I will be able share to good news here with you. Yes 1000zxl is fantastic machine! the pre-amp section in the machine is THE BEST! I have ever! seen in any cassette deck and those vu meters when they are working correctly are fantastic! I have never seen vu meters on any tape deck which respond to input signal the way the meters do! you must be knowing better since you have five of them!! P.S. thanks again for sending the hard to get caps , you are very decent guy! With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 3/19/2008 8:12:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Hi Ali, I have 5 ZXL's but only 2 at home at present. Willy and Tom have one each and are breathing new life into them. The Limited is in rehab at ESL. One deck at home is now fully functional thanks to Ron / Tom / Bala / Jeff / John Gipps / Kimo for assistance over the last 12 months - I have learned a lot from you guys. The other deck is improving, New caps and relays fitted, as play and record / ABLE / level meters and extension dolby unit selection were all faulty, now the only problem is failure to calibrate metal tapes although other tapes are fine, will be looking into the bias settings shortly, following that, new rubber should complete the rehab. I usually restrict my posts to the ZXL forum as they can provoke bickering ( _http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/1000ZXL/_ (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/1000ZXL/) ) but one once in a while here may be ok. It will be good to get a group photo when they are all togeth! er one day soon hopefully. Still enjoy my other naks too. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: _BOEING747600 at aol.com_ (mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com) To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:18 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Hi Ben, How many ZXL do you have?! Do you have to say OH MY GOD?!! when you enter your room that hold all this gear?!! :) Ali In a message dated 3/19/2008 4:21:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _benstratford at aol.co.uk_ (mailto:benstratford at aol.co.uk) writes: Hi Kevin & Tom, Thanks for your feedback, I will certainly try the magetometer and see if I can prove the new arrangements are satisfactory for how I intend to operate. I like the idea of turning the speakers off while recoding from the TT, that may be worth trying too. Now My ZXL has new relays fitted and I can select the Dolby C unit reliably, I had intended to re-record lots of stuff anyway, so a good time to try some new things. All my decks now have dolby b & c so the next thing to do is to make sure the reference levels are all calibrated properly so there is no issue using noise reduction and playing tapes on other decks and indeed, playing them back on the deck they were recorded on. Another project there then. Never had any wall mounted speakers either, now that's an idea. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Fetner <_shoeihell at yahoo.com_ (mailto:shoeihell at yahoo.com) > To: _naktalk at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 3:14 am Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Ben, I have a very small listening room with plaster walls and a hardwood floor. I was getting so much feedback into my TT from the speaker stack, that I made a suspended cage out of Plexiglas for the TT and hung it from the ceiling. That only solved part of the problem, because my speaker stack is right next to the hanging TT. If I record with my speakers on, I get horrific hum in the TT, so I record now with the speakers off and use headphones. The big CRT TV and its components are pretty close as well and so I make sure they're all off. I still have a slight bit of hum when the TT motor is running-I've tried grounding just the motor itself and all variants of grounding the TT and still it persists. If I had the space, I'd spread everything out like it used to be (in other houses) and see what happens. Because everything is so close, I take extra care when using the demag on the cassette players and the R2R-remove all the magnetic tapes into another room etc. I bulk erase in the kitchen etc.;-) Sounds like you're on the right track to me. Kevin Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:19:51 -0400 From: _benstratford at aol.co.uk_ (mailto:benstratford at aol.co.uk) Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising To: _naktalk at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Message-ID: <_8CA56D735909279-E58-34E8 at webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com_ (mailto:8CA56D735909279-E58-34E8 at webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com) > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After cherry picking all of the gems and ignoring mosts of the tit for tat stuff because I didn't understand half of it, I am starting to LOL about my set up.? There are now 4 decks in my unit which has had upto 11 before now, all usually stacked upon or very near each other.? In central drawers next to my decks (20 CM's away) are my blank and recorded tapes. and the other side of my decks (8 inches away) are the speakers.? What happens to the recorded tapes when I demagnetise a deck,? (using a long probe annis) or indeed the other decks, I have no idea. but i am guessing it is not a good scenario.? So, i am considering: 1.? Moving speakers 50 cm away from anything that may be adversely affected. 2.? Take decks away to the work bench to be demagnetised. 3.? Demag all decks at once and start from a clean sheet. Now need to modify the oak unit to allow easier removal of the decks.? Could probably do with some wheels on it too! What a varied hobby this is! Thanks to all contributors. Cheers, Ben ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: _benstratford at aol.co.uk_ (mailto:benstratford at aol.co.uk) To: _naktalk at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Hi Ali, I have 5 ZXL's but only 2 at home at present. Willy and tom have one each and are breathing new life into them. The limited is in rehab at ESL. One deck at home -----Original Message----- From: _BOEING747600 at aol.com_ (mailto:BOEING747600 at aol.com) To: _naktalk at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:18 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Hi Ben, How many ZXL do you have?! Do you have to say OH MY GOD?!! when you enter your room that hold all this gear?!! :) Ali In a message dated 3/19/2008 4:21:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _benstratford at aol.co.uk_ (mailto:benstratford at aol.co.uk) writes: Hi Kevin & Tom, Thanks for your feedback, I will certainly try the magetometer and see if I can prove the new arrangements are satisfactory for how I intend to operate. I like the idea of turning the speakers off while recoding from the TT, that may be worth trying too. Now My ZXL has new relays fitted and I can select the Dolby C unit reliably, I had intended to re-record lots of stuff anyway, so a good time to try some new things. All my decks now have dolby b & c so the next thing to do is to make sure the reference levels are all calibrated properly so there is no issue using noise reduction and playing tapes on other decks and indeed, playing them back on the deck they were recorded on. Another project there then. Never had any wall mounted speakers either, now that's an idea. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Fetner <_shoeihell at yahoo.com_ (mailto:shoeihell at yahoo.com) > To: _naktalk at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 3:14 am Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Ben, I have a very small listening room with plaster walls and a hardwood floor. I was getting so much feedback into my TT from the speaker stack, that I made a suspended cage out of Plexiglas for the TT and hung it from the ceiling. That only solved part of the problem, because my speaker stack is right next to the hanging TT. If I record with my speakers on, I get horrific hum in the TT, so I record now with the speakers off and use headphones. The big CRT TV and its components are pretty close as well and so I make sure they're all off. I still have a slight bit of hum when the TT motor is running-I've tried grounding just the motor itself and all variants of grounding the TT and still it persists. If I had the space, I'd spread everything out like it used to be (in other houses) and see what happens. Because everything is so close, I take extra care when using the demag on the cassette players and the R2R-remove all the magnetic tapes into another room etc. I bulk erase in the kitchen etc.;-) Sounds like you're on the right track to me. Kevin Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:19:51 -0400 From: _benstratford at aol.co.uk_ (mailto:benstratford at aol.co.uk) Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising To: _naktalk at naks.com_ (mailto:naktalk at naks.com) Message-ID: <_8CA56D735909279-E58-34E8 at webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com_ (mailto:8CA56D735909279-E58-34E8 at webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com) > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After cherry picking all of the gems and ignoring mosts of the tit for tat stuff because I didn't understand half of it, I am starting to LOL about my set up.? There are now 4 decks in my unit which has had upto 11 before now, all usually stacked upon or very near each other.? In central drawers next to my decks (20 CM's away) are my blank and recorded tapes. and the other side of my decks (8 inches away) are the speakers.? What happens to the recorded tapes when I demagnetise a deck,? (using a long probe annis) or indeed the other decks, I have no idea. but i am guessing it is not a good scenario.? So, i am considering: 1.? Moving speakers 50 cm away from anything that may be adversely affected. 2.? Take decks away to the work bench to be demagnetised. 3.? Demag all decks at once and start from a clean sheet. Now need to modify the oak unit to allow easier removal of the decks.? Could probably do with some wheels on it too! What a varied hobby this is! Thanks to all contributors. Cheers, Ben ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Message-ID: <032220080236.1241.47E470AE000B311A000004D922120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I didn't know Nakamichi made model kits! LOL http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-480-Smontata-Per-ricambi-No-riserva_W0QQitemZ290216399566QQihZ019QQcategoryZ14980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem *andy* From bobschneider8 at comcast.net Sat Mar 22 04:17:11 2008 From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net (Robert Schneider) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:17:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Issues Message-ID: <47E47A37.7070300@comcast.net> Hi. I just got a 700 II in excellent condition, for a system I'm building based on what I would have had as an undergrad (late 1970s) if I'd had the cash. It sounds really good after cleaning the controls and heads, but I'm having a couple of operational issues I'd appreciate some help with: 1. The auto stop doesn't work. I've read some stuff on the net that this is common with the classic transport decks, and that the problem is usually a burnt out light bulb in the reel motion sensor. But my deck has an LED rather than a bulb (per the service manual, and verified by inspection), which appears to be working fine. The LED glows red with power, and the FF and Rew does slow down towards the end of the tape - it just doesn't shut down when it gets to the very end. Any ideas? 2. The transport controls are electronic touch sensors, but they aren't very sensitive - I often have to fiddle quite a bit to get the sensor to recognize my finger. Is there an adjustment or part replacement that could make this more sensitive? Thanks! From soumitra at soumitrab.com Sat Mar 22 04:27:06 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:57:06 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Plz diagnose this References: <200803211100.m2LB0ZRV012912@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001101c88bcc$9ce6f4b0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi all Firstly .. i thank all of you who replied to the previous post regarding demagging etc .. altho it did go a bit wayward for a bit. However, my idea was to have a positive debate and get ideas regarding improvement of existing equipment. I had previously asked regarding the setting of the PlayHead height ... and im revisiting that. Please download this link to hear what im trying to explain : http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/track_r.mp3 I followed a calibration procedure explained in Luis' site and that too resulted in the same head height position that i had earlier by "ear". But the problem is of this stray pickup on the right channel ... which seems to me to be due to a head tilt misalignment .. im not sure of this but this is my guess ... could any of you tell me what this is and how to correct this ? Also, i only have the test tones given to me by Luis recorded on a CD ... i dont have any calibration tapes ... and even though i tried recording with an MR2, its got such huge wow/flutter and level mismatch im not sure i can use that so please suggest a viable alternative. Thanks very much Soumi From dorrcoq at shaw.ca Sat Mar 22 17:54:25 2008 From: dorrcoq at shaw.ca (Dennis Orr) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:54:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX 5 References: <13614886.1205979535510.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002201c88c3d$644d7270$c80e4446@a72400shuttle> So, nobody has any helpful tips for me in regard to adjusting the azimuth on this deck? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrplosay at gci.net Sat Mar 22 17:18:48 2008 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:18:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Squealing BX-300E References: <200803221101.m2MB1BrG021491@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <003001c88c38$6943fe20$0201a8c0@D3JKMYB1> You can however, on decent tapes, disassemble the shell and replace the teflon glider-pads that line each side wall. See if that's your issue. I have a whole host of donor cassettes for things like that. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 03:01 Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 20 > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Squealing BX-300E (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:55:29 +0000 > From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Squealing BX-300E > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <032120081255.20298.47E3B0410003993300004F4A22165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908 at comcast.net> > > > > Hi, Chris: > > It sounds like you are experiencing tape squeal, which is an incurable > disease > that affects some tapes. > > Your deck is OK. > > The tape "dries out" and can no longer move as fluidly as it once did. > The > sound you are hearing is the sound of the tape spools scraping against the > inner > walls of the cassette shell. This mechanical noise is often transmitted > into > the tape heads and can be heard quite loudly through the speakers. > > On particularly bad tapes, you can actually remove the tape from the deck, > and > using a pencil, you can wind the spools fast enough to get the tape to > squeal on > its own. > > Some tapes are in a borderline state and will squeal only part of the > time. > Over time, however, the tape will start to squeal more and more. > > Hope this information helps you. If you have any more questions or > problems, > please don't hesitate to ask me! > > > *andy* > > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 61, Issue 20 > *************************************** > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1337 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 > 8:10 PM > > From luis at peromarta.org Sun Mar 23 18:31:30 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:31:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Plz diagnose this In-Reply-To: <001101c88bcc$9ce6f4b0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <200803211100.m2LB0ZRV012912@zxe.naks.com> <001101c88bcc$9ce6f4b0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <47E693F2.7020309@peromarta.org> Hi Soumi, Unfortunately, you *can not* use the provided test tones recorded on the CD to align your playback head height. Whereas azimuth can sometimes be aligned "by ear", this is not true for height. You need a proper calibration tape, you need a REFERENCE. The tones on the CD are "free of charge", and are good to align a recording head TO A PROPERLY ALIGNED playback height. To me your problem sounds like a playback head height misalignment, where you are picking up a bit the other side material. Good luck, and best rgds, LP. soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi all > Firstly .. i thank all of you who replied to the previous post regarding > demagging etc .. altho it did go a bit wayward for a bit. However, my > idea was to have a positive debate and get ideas regarding improvement > of existing equipment. > > I had previously asked regarding the setting of the PlayHead height ... > and im revisiting that. > Please download this link to hear what im trying to explain : > http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/track_r.mp3 > > I followed a calibration procedure explained in Luis' site and that too > resulted in the same head height position that i had earlier by "ear". > But the problem is of this stray pickup on the right channel ... which > seems to me to be due to a head tilt misalignment .. im not sure of this > but this is my guess ... could any of you tell me what this is and how > to correct this ? > > Also, i only have the test tones given to me by Luis recorded on a CD > ... i dont have any calibration tapes ... and even though i tried > recording with an MR2, its got such huge wow/flutter and level mismatch > im not sure i can use that so please suggest a viable alternative. > > Thanks very much > > Soumi > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From luis at peromarta.org Sun Mar 23 18:53:33 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:53:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Model Kit? In-Reply-To: <032220080236.1241.47E470AE000B311A000004D922120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <032220080236.1241.47E470AE000B311A000004D922120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47E6991D.2000701@peromarta.org> Yes they did, and sold trough IKEA stores. rgds, LP. hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I didn't know Nakamichi made model kits! LOL > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-480-Smontata-Per-ricambi-No-riserva_W0QQitemZ290216399566QQihZ019QQcategoryZ14980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Mar 24 13:30:38 2008 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:30:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cobalt tape? In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910803211122u693d2897iabe23babcee3ed10@mail.gmail.com> References: <4740AEAC.6020804@yahoo.ca> <6bddc1110711190926r3fa7b55aj4fd4b372c75fc536@mail.gmail.com> <17d5ee910803211122u693d2897iabe23babcee3ed10@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E79EEE.9090008@snet.net> The cobalt/ferric tapes were the result of BASF patenting the actual CrO2 formulation. As a result of this, I think thet BASF made the only true CrO2 available. This is one of the reasons why historically BASF has often required somewhat different biasing than most other brands which are not actually CrO2. Ed Antoine Deschênes wrote: > I finally thought about contacting them, and they sent me a spec > sheet. I sent it to Tim. If anyone else wants to have a look, just ask me. > > National Audio told me that they have more output than chrome tapes, > but less high frequency response. > > 2007/11/19, Tim Skorick >: > > I'd like to see a frequency curve for those tapes - either they're > more or less the same as vanilla Type II / IV or there would be > some bias adjustment necessary. Is National Audio the actual tape > manufacturer/assembler? > > -Tim > > On Nov 18, 2007 3:29 PM, Antoine Deschênes > wrote: > > Hi, > > I stumbled on this website a few minutes ago: > http://nationalaudiocompany.com/ > > They build some audio cassettes, and I've seen they sell > cobalt(??) > cassette tapes as well as normal and chrome ones. It's the > first time I > hear about cobalt cassette tapes. > > I've just looked on wikipedia, they talk about cobalt there: > 1. Used in 3M "High Energy" tapes, > 2. Used in TDK's "avilyn" tapes, > 3. Most "Chrome" and "Normal" tapes are in fact Cobalt+Ferrous > oxide > tapes with different mix proportions. > > Anyone could shine a light on this? What's the "better" type? > Otherwise, > they seem to make good cassettes, made in USA with Lenco > shells, maybe > it could be a good blank cassette source? > > I also found an article on availability of cassette tape > components: > http://www.loc.gov/nls/technical/cassettecomponents.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Sun Mar 23 01:04:55 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <606313.69486.qm@web80210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ali: The A.L.B.E. on the 1000ZXL is better than that of the 700ZXL but not by much ( IMHO ). I bought the 1000ZXL first, followed by the 700ZXL. However, I like the modern look of the 700ZXL more than the 1000ZXL. I will say it is more like a Ferrari look compares with a Rolls Royce look. Mike BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Ben, If you can lay your hand on a 700zxl that would be great, I have owned one in mint shape and let me tell you that what made me buy the 1000zxl in first place to find out how much better the sound quality would be compared to the 700zxl the ABLE circuit on this one worked like new! Thanks! Ali In a message dated 3/20/2008 4:29:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Hi Walter, There are 4 x 1000 ZXL, 1 x 1000 ZXL Limited. Never had the 700 version (so far!) wouldn't mind one though. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: drewes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising 1000 ZXL's or 700 ZXL's ? Just curious! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: benstratford at aol.co.uk To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Hi Ali, I have 5 ZXL's but only 2 at home at present. Willy and tom have one each and are breathing new life into them. The limited is in rehab at ESL. One deck at home -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:18 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Hi Ben, How many ZXL do you have?! Do you have to say OH MY GOD?!! when you enter your room that hold all this gear?!! :) Ali In a message dated 3/19/2008 4:21:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, benstratford at aol.co.uk writes: Hi Kevin & Tom, Thanks for your feedback, I will certainly try the magetometer and see if I can prove the new arrangements are satisfactory for how I intend to operate. I like the idea of turning the speakers off while recoding from the TT, that may be worth trying too. Now My ZXL has new relays fitted and I can select the Dolby C unit reliably, I had intended to re-record lots of stuff anyway, so a good time to try some new things. All my decks now have dolby b & c so the next thing to do is to make sure the reference levels are all calibrated properly so there is no issue using noise reduction and playing tapes on other decks and indeed, playing them back on the deck they were recorded on. Another project there then. Never had any wall mounted speakers either, now that's an idea. Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Fetner To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 3:14 am Subject: [naktalk] Re: Demagnetising Ben, I have a very small listening room with plaster walls and a hardwood floor. I was getting so much feedback into my TT from the speaker stack, that I made a suspended cage out of Plexiglas for the TT and hung it from the ceiling. That only solved part of the problem, because my speaker stack is right next to the hanging TT. If I record with my speakers on, I get horrific hum in the TT, so I record now with the speakers off and use headphones. The big CRT TV and its components are pretty close as well and so I make sure they're all off. I still have a slight bit of hum when the TT motor is running-I've tried grounding just the motor itself and all variants of grounding the TT and still it persists. If I had the space, I'd spread everything out like it used to be (in other houses) and see what happens. Because everything is so close, I take extra care when using the demag on the cassette players and the R2R-remove all the magnetic tapes into another room etc. I bulk erase in the kitchen etc.;-) Sounds like you're on the right track to me. Kevin Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:19:51 -0400 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk Subject: [naktalk] Demagnetising To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8CA56D735909279-E58-34E8 at webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After cherry picking all of the gems and ignoring mosts of the tit for tat stuff because I didn't understand half of it, I am starting to LOL about my set up.? There are now 4 decks in my unit which has had upto 11 before now, all usually stacked upon or very near each other.? In central drawers next to my decks (20 CM's away) are my blank and recorded tapes. and the other side of my decks (8 inches away) are the speakers.? What happens to the recorded tapes when I demagnetise a deck,? (using a long probe annis) or indeed the other decks, I have no idea. but i am guessing it is not a good scenario.? So, i am considering: 1.? Moving speakers 50 cm away from anything that may be adversely affected. 2.? Take decks away to the work bench to be demagnetised. 3.? Demag all decks at once and start from a clean sheet. Now need to modify the oak unit to allow easier removal of the decks.? Could probably do with some wheels on it too! What a varied hobby this is! Thanks to all contributors. Cheers, Ben ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sun Mar 23 01:14:42 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:14:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Model Kit? In-Reply-To: <032220080236.1241.47E470AE000B311A000004D922120592149C9C01 089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <032220080236.1241.47E470AE000B311A000004D922120592149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080323001442.IIAZ27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> hahahaha! Andy, you have too much time on your hands. You need to get married and I'll guarantee you'll have no time for yourself other than bathing! Good show. At 10:36 PM 3/21/2008, you wrote: >I didn't know Nakamichi made model kits! LOL > >http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-480-Smontata-Per-ricambi-No-riserva_W0QQitemZ290216399566QQihZ019QQcategoryZ14980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= From theshorty at bigpond.com Sun Mar 23 04:31:34 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:31:34 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Squealing BX-300E References: <032120081255.20298.47E3B0410003993300004F4A22165384969C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003e01c88c96$64d93a40$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Chris, Further to what Andy and Ron have said, sometimes it can also be due to the tape pack being wound too tight, or poorly wound with a lot of run out from use in a lesser deck, in which for both cases a good few cycles of FF/RW loosens things up again. Also, it can be due to the internal slip sheets wearing out, in which case a re-shell is needed. Both have worked for me and saved recordings I would have otherwise had to bin. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Squealing BX-300E > > Hi, Chris: > > It sounds like you are experiencing tape squeal, which is an incurable > disease > that affects some tapes. > > Your deck is OK. > > The tape "dries out" and can no longer move as fluidly as it once did. > The > sound you are hearing is the sound of the tape spools scraping against the > inner > walls of the cassette shell. This mechanical noise is often transmitted > into > the tape heads and can be heard quite loudly through the speakers. > > On particularly bad tapes, you can actually remove the tape from the deck, > and > using a pencil, you can wind the spools fast enough to get the tape to > squeal on > its own. > > Some tapes are in a borderline state and will squeal only part of the > time. > Over time, however, the tape will start to squeal more and more. > > Hope this information helps you. If you have any more questions or > problems, > please don't hesitate to ask me! > > > *andy* > > From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sun Mar 23 05:07:19 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 04:07:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Issues Message-ID: <032320080407.15200.47E5D776000D4AF000003B6022230703729B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> The 700II is one sweet deck. A true sleeper. l actually listen to it more than a Dragon sitting in another room. It is sooo smooth and musical. However it does require periodic maintenance, cleaning etc. and will disintigrate rapidly if left neglected. The touchpad sensors become less sensitive over time. I had the same problem and softly rubbed extremely fine grit paper with an some contact cleaner to rejuvinate. You can also bypass the issue entirely by locating the wired remote online. It works great. The auto stop may need a tension adjustment. Good luck and enjoy... -------------- Original message from Robert Schneider : -------------- > Hi. I just got a 700 II in excellent condition, for a system I'm > building based on what I would have had as an undergrad (late 1970s) if > I'd had the cash. > > It sounds really good after cleaning the controls and heads, but I'm > having a couple of operational issues I'd appreciate some help with: > > 1. The auto stop doesn't work. I've read some stuff on the net that > this is common with the classic transport decks, and that the problem is > usually a burnt out light bulb in the reel motion sensor. But my deck > has an LED rather than a bulb (per the service manual, and verified by > inspection), which appears to be working fine. The LED glows red with > power, and the FF and Rew does slow down towards the end of the tape - > it just doesn't shut down when it gets to the very end. Any ideas? > > 2. The transport controls are electronic touch sensors, but they aren't > very sensitive - I often have to fiddle quite a bit to get the sensor to > recognize my finger. 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URL: From esteyes at cox.net Mon Mar 24 00:30:52 2008 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:30:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] TD700 Message-ID: <02fe01c88d3d$ef221990$6600a8c0@puttoacbvk9pjq> Looks like there aren't any active ebay sellers with these belts, but I did find this reference: Nak p/n PRB p/n Description OC08781 ---- Capstan Belt TD-700 OC08782 FRW10.1 Capstan Belt TD-500 OC08783 SCX7.0 V Pulley Belt TD-500 (and probably TD-700 as well) OC08784 ---- Loading Belt TD-500, TD-700 http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#Belt%20Crossreference So a couple ought to be available from any parts place that sells Russell/PRB: http://www.russellind.com/prbline/index.html Worst case, you pull the belt & cut and measure it and find the nearest equivalent in the PRB line. Just have to allow for stretch when you measure length. This guy always has Nak belts but not sure about the TD car decks: http://myworld.ebay.com/marrscommunications/ hope this helps neil From shoeihell at yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 01:12:56 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Cobalt tape? Message-ID: <41850.88189.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> OK, I went to the site to look at these tapes (National Audio Company). You have to buy lots of a hundred, but they are less than $1 ea, which of course, is very attractive. I'm not sure for the price difference, why for music reproduction, you are even considering cobalt tapes? As advertised, they have less HF response then their chrome cousins. And the difference is about ten cents a tape. So what I really want to know is; how do these chrome tapes from National Audio Company play in high-end Naks?? Has anybody used these? I'm unwilling to have more cassette tapes that don't compliment my RX-505, which so far, loves Maxell MX-S Type IV and Maxell XLII Type II tapes. A poster who collects tapes on the asylum, claims that the later made MX-S tapes (right before these ceased production), are not even the quality of the mid 90's and before. They're rare as hell and go for insane prices on ebay. I'm quite happy for the time being with Maxell XLII and/or the best Type II chrome out there still available. Kevin I finally thought about contacting them, and they sent me a spec sheet. I sent it to Tim. If anyone else wants to have a look, just ask me. National Audio told me that they have more output than chrome tapes, but less high frequency response. 2007/11/19, Tim Skorick : > > I'd like to see a frequency curve for those tapes - either they're more or > less the same as vanilla Type II / IV or there would be some bias adjustment > necessary. Is National Audio the actual tape manufacturer/assembler? > > -Tim > > On Nov 18, 2007 3:29 PM, Antoine Desch�nes wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I stumbled on this website a few minutes ago: > > http://nationalaudiocompany.com/ > > > > They build some audio cassettes, and I've seen they sell cobalt(??) > > cassette tapes as well as normal and chrome ones. It's the first time I > > hear about cobalt cassette tapes. > > > > I've just looked on wikipedia, they talk about cobalt there: > > 1. Used in 3M "High Energy" tapes, > > 2. Used in TDK's "avilyn" tapes, > > 3. Most "Chrome" and "Normal" tapes are in fact Cobalt+Ferrous oxide > > tapes with different mix proportions. > > > > Anyone could shine a light on this? What's the "better" type? Otherwise, > > > > they seem to make good cassettes, made in USA with Lenco shells, maybe > > it could be a good blank cassette source? > > > > I also found an article on availability of cassette tape components: > > http://www.loc.gov/nls/technical/cassettecomponents.html Antoine Desch�nes ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 24 02:21:58 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:21:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Issues Message-ID: <1336771.1206321718493.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Robert, The counter belt is probably quite loose. Look on the ebaman.com site (join free) and search for 700 II bulletins as I believe there is one regarding the transport switches. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Robert Schneider >Sent: Mar 21, 2008 10:17 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Issues > >Hi. I just got a 700 II in excellent condition, for a system I'm >building based on what I would have had as an undergrad (late 1970s) if >I'd had the cash. > >It sounds really good after cleaning the controls and heads, but I'm >having a couple of operational issues I'd appreciate some help with: > >1. The auto stop doesn't work. I've read some stuff on the net that >this is common with the classic transport decks, and that the problem is >usually a burnt out light bulb in the reel motion sensor. But my deck >has an LED rather than a bulb (per the service manual, and verified by >inspection), which appears to be working fine. The LED glows red with >power, and the FF and Rew does slow down towards the end of the tape - >it just doesn't shut down when it gets to the very end. Any ideas? > >2. The transport controls are electronic touch sensors, but they aren't >very sensitive - I often have to fiddle quite a bit to get the sensor to >recognize my finger. Is there an adjustment or part replacement that >could make this more sensitive? > >Thanks! >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Mon Mar 24 06:17:25 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 05:17:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Model Kit? Message-ID: <032420080517.14401.47E73965000446080000384122218683269B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Looks like the toddler got hold of the deck and made some "minor" adjustments LOL. -------------- Original message from Luis Peromarta : -------------- > Yes they did, and sold trough IKEA stores. > > rgds, LP. > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > I didn't know Nakamichi made model kits! LOL > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-480-Smontata-Per-ricambi-No-riserva_W0QQitemZ29021 > 6399566QQihZ019QQcategoryZ14980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > > > > > *andy* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Mon Mar 24 19:34:32 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:34:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Cobalt tape? In-Reply-To: <41850.88189.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <41850.88189.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: As a buyer of bulk blank cassettes since the 1970s, I've used National audio's tapes because I live close to them, so my shipping cost is low. National Audio's cobalt cassette blanks were made for them by Ampex, later Quantegy. I stopped using their cobalt cassettes years ago. The shells are mediocre and the tapes' cobalt oxide suffers from higher modulation noise than even ferric tapes! Their cobalt cassette's Maximum Output Level (MOL) is lower than chrome cassettes despite the claims of the spec sheet. The high end is definitely down 2 to 3 dB at 20,000 cps even in my Revox B710 or a tweaked Nakamichi 600. I do, however, still use their ferric cassettes for spoken word tapes. My expectation is that they will have to switch over to Sunkyong for their cobalt tapes, otherwise sometime in the near future they'll drop cobalt from the catalog. Frustratingly, most of the cassette dupe work I've had in recent years has been spoken word. If you're looking for a bargain cassette for music recording with a high-end cassette deck like a Nakamichi, then National Audio's cobalt cassettes aren't a good choice. If you own a low-to-mid end cassette deck like a Pioneer CT-4141 or CT-F7272, then their cobalt tapes are fine. On Mar 23, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > OK, I went to the site to look at these tapes > (National Audio Company). You have to buy lots of a > hundred, but they are less than $1 ea, which of > course, is very attractive. I'm not sure for the price > difference, why for music reproduction, you are even > considering cobalt tapes? As advertised, they have > less HF response then their chrome cousins. And the > difference is about ten cents a tape. > > So what I really want to know is; how do these chrome > tapes from National Audio Company play in high-end > Naks?? Has anybody used these? I'm unwilling to have > more cassette tapes that don't compliment my RX-505, > which so far, loves Maxell MX-S Type IV and Maxell > XLII Type II tapes. A poster who collects tapes on > the asylum, claims that the later made MX-S tapes > (right before these ceased production), are not even > the quality of the mid 90's and before. They're rare > as hell and go for insane prices on ebay. I'm quite > happy for the time being with Maxell XLII and/or the > best Type II chrome out there still available. > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From orders at pennysconstruction.com Mon Mar 24 14:27:50 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 07:27:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Cobalt tape? References: <41850.88189.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I was curious about if this means a web site with a list of cassettes? If so can you post a link or the name of the site? So I can check it out? Anybody know if there is (are) web sites that post pictures and descriptions of cassettes and or reels? Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Fetner" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re:Cobalt tape? > OK, I went to the site to look at these tapes > (National Audio Company). You have to buy lots of a > hundred, but they are less than $1 ea, which of > course, is very attractive. I'm not sure for the price > difference, why for music reproduction, you are even > considering cobalt tapes? As advertised, they have > less HF response then their chrome cousins. And the > difference is about ten cents a tape. > > So what I really want to know is; how do these chrome > tapes from National Audio Company play in high-end > Naks?? Has anybody used these? I'm unwilling to have > more cassette tapes that don't compliment my RX-505, > which so far, loves Maxell MX-S Type IV and Maxell > XLII Type II tapes. A poster who collects tapes on > the asylum, claims that the later made MX-S tapes > (right before these ceased production), are not even > the quality of the mid 90's and before. They're rare > as hell and go for insane prices on ebay. I'm quite > happy for the time being with Maxell XLII and/or the > best Type II chrome out there still available. > > Kevin > > I finally thought about contacting them, and they sent > > > > me a spec sheet. I > sent it to Tim. If anyone else wants to have a look, > just ask me. > > National Audio told me that they have more output than > chrome tapes, but > less high frequency response. > > 2007/11/19, Tim Skorick : >> >> I'd like to see a frequency curve for those tapes - > either they're more or >> less the same as vanilla Type II / IV or there would > be some bias adjustment >> necessary. Is National Audio the actual tape > manufacturer/assembler? >> >> -Tim >> >> On Nov 18, 2007 3:29 PM, Antoine Desch�nes > wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > I stumbled on this website a few minutes ago: >> > http://nationalaudiocompany.com/ >> > >> > They build some audio cassettes, and I've seen > they sell cobalt(??) >> > cassette tapes as well as normal and chrome ones. > It's the first time I >> > hear about cobalt cassette tapes. >> > >> > I've just looked on wikipedia, they talk about > cobalt there: >> > 1. Used in 3M "High Energy" tapes, >> > 2. Used in TDK's "avilyn" tapes, >> > 3. Most "Chrome" and "Normal" tapes are in fact > Cobalt+Ferrous oxide >> > tapes with different mix proportions. >> > >> > Anyone could shine a light on this? What's the > "better" type? Otherwise, >> > >> > they seem to make good cassettes, made in USA with > Lenco shells, maybe >> > it could be a good blank cassette source? >> > >> > I also found an article on availability of > cassette tape components: >> > > http://www.loc.gov/nls/technical/cassettecomponents.html > > Antoine Desch�nes > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From johngipps at aol.com Mon Mar 24 15:17:20 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:17:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Model Kit ? Message-ID: <8CA5BD0E869FAEE-C34-60D@Webmail-mg06.sim.aol.com> Hi andy As Luis says, they had them all right. We used to sell the 1000ZXL kit as though it was going out of fashion - customers could save hundreds by putting them together themselves. There was a lot of confusion though over the Ikea tool provided - most builders couldn't work out where to use the large allen key, and many felt that more than one tool should have been provided in the kit. Regards John Gipps Message: 2 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:53:33 +0100 From: Luis Peromarta Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Model Kit? To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <47E6991D.2000701 at peromarta.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Yes they did, and sold trough IKEA stores. rgds, LP. hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I didn't know Nakamichi made model kits! LOL > > http://cgi.ebay.com/NAKAMICHI-480-Smontata-Per-ricambi-No-riserva_W0QQitemZ290216399566QQihZ019QQcategoryZ14980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > *andy* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 24 15:19:59 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:19:59 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Issues Message-ID: <157976.1206368399711.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I checked for a bulletin this morning and could find none. Must have been a dream. Try replacing the cassette well switch (white-brown-black wires) micro lever switch on the top side of the mech, or to test, short pins 12 and 14 of CN-3 connector and try the switches. This switch is the ground for all mech controls. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Tom Brucker >Sent: Mar 23, 2008 7:21 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700 II Issues > >Robert, > The counter belt is probably quite loose. Look on the ebaman.com site (join free) and search for 700 II bulletins as I believe there is one regarding the transport switches. > >tom brucker > > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Robert Schneider >>Sent: Mar 21, 2008 10:17 PM >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Issues >> >>Hi. I just got a 700 II in excellent condition, for a system I'm >>building based on what I would have had as an undergrad (late 1970s) if >>I'd had the cash. >> >>It sounds really good after cleaning the controls and heads, but I'm >>having a couple of operational issues I'd appreciate some help with: >> >>1. The auto stop doesn't work. I've read some stuff on the net that >>this is common with the classic transport decks, and that the problem is >>usually a burnt out light bulb in the reel motion sensor. But my deck >>has an LED rather than a bulb (per the service manual, and verified by >>inspection), which appears to be working fine. The LED glows red with >>power, and the FF and Rew does slow down towards the end of the tape - >>it just doesn't shut down when it gets to the very end. Any ideas? >> >>2. The transport controls are electronic touch sensors, but they aren't >>very sensitive - I often have to fiddle quite a bit to get the sensor to >>recognize my finger. Is there an adjustment or part replacement that >>could make this more sensitive? >> >>Thanks! >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Mon Mar 24 15:27:44 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:27:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] TD700 References: <02fe01c88d3d$ef221990$6600a8c0@puttoacbvk9pjq> Message-ID: <002f01c88dbb$39d04390$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Thanks Neil, but PRB doesn't even come close to the original. Tom Brucker has responded with a fairly good replacement that I am going to try. I was hoping that someone might have an NOS original Nak belt but these seem to be even harder to get than the classic transport capstan belt! I might try using an old original and moving the drive motor to the side to get some tension back and see how that works as well.If anyone has a dead TD-700 (or any parts)they like to sell I would be interested. Also I was wondering if anyone has a method of cleaning pots that lasts more than a year, and if so, would they want to give up their secret! Thanks Rainer S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Sturtevant" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] TD700 > Looks like there aren't any active ebay sellers with these belts, but I > did > find this reference: > > Nak p/n PRB p/n Description > OC08781 ---- Capstan Belt TD-700 > OC08782 FRW10.1 Capstan Belt TD-500 > OC08783 SCX7.0 V Pulley Belt TD-500 (and probably TD-700 as > well) > OC08784 ---- Loading Belt TD-500, TD-700 > > http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#Belt%20Crossreference > > So a couple ought to be available from any parts place that sells > Russell/PRB: http://www.russellind.com/prbline/index.html > > Worst case, you pull the belt & cut and measure it and find the nearest > equivalent in the PRB line. Just have to allow for stretch when you > measure > length. > > This guy always has Nak belts but not sure about the TD car decks: > > http://myworld.ebay.com/marrscommunications/ > > hope this helps > neil > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 24 15:28:02 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:28:02 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Plz diagnose this Message-ID: <18217207.1206368882544.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Soumi, You need some sort of reference. Right now your best reference is a pre recorded tape. Put it in your deck and adjust head height for maximum output and balanced channels. Adjust azimuth while monitoring in mono, and recheck height, then recheck azimuth. Now, make or but a mirror cassette and look at tape as it passes through the guides. Any curling or edge wave is a sign that there is a guide problem or a tilt problem. Neither of these can be cured without a gauge. Only after fully aligning the play head do you begin record alignment. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: soumitra at soumitrab.com >Sent: Mar 21, 2008 9:27 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Plz diagnose this > >Hi all >Firstly .. i thank all of you who replied to the previous post regarding >demagging etc .. altho it did go a bit wayward for a bit. However, my idea >was to have a positive debate and get ideas regarding improvement of >existing equipment. > >I had previously asked regarding the setting of the PlayHead height ... and >im revisiting that. >Please download this link to hear what im trying to explain : >http://www.soumitrab.com/bin/track_r.mp3 > >I followed a calibration procedure explained in Luis' site and that too >resulted in the same head height position that i had earlier by "ear". But >the problem is of this stray pickup on the right channel ... which seems to >me to be due to a head tilt misalignment .. im not sure of this but this is >my guess ... could any of you tell me what this is and how to correct this ? > >Also, i only have the test tones given to me by Luis recorded on a CD ... i >dont have any calibration tapes ... and even though i tried recording with >an MR2, its got such huge wow/flutter and level mismatch im not sure i can >use that so please suggest a viable alternative. > >Thanks very much > >Soumi > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon Mar 24 15:27:32 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:27:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TD700 BELTS In-Reply-To: <02fe01c88d3d$ef221990$6600a8c0@puttoacbvk9pjq> References: <02fe01c88d3d$ef221990$6600a8c0@puttoacbvk9pjq> Message-ID: <47E7BA54.7040302@marrscommunications.com> HELLO, THE PERSON NEEDING THE BELTS FOR THE TD-700 ! YOU CAN SEND THE MACHINE TO ME FOR BELT MATCHING, AND I WILL SHIP YOU A NEW KIT FREE OF CHARGE!! YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SHIPPING COST ONLY. CONTACT ME DIRECTLY. marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com _ Fred M. Neil Sturtevant wrote: >Looks like there aren't any active ebay sellers with these belts, but I did >find this reference: > >Nak p/n PRB p/n Description >OC08781 ---- Capstan Belt TD-700 >OC08782 FRW10.1 Capstan Belt TD-500 >OC08783 SCX7.0 V Pulley Belt TD-500 (and probably TD-700 as well) >OC08784 ---- Loading Belt TD-500, TD-700 > >http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#Belt%20Crossreference > >So a couple ought to be available from any parts place that sells >Russell/PRB: http://www.russellind.com/prbline/index.html > >Worst case, you pull the belt & cut and measure it and find the nearest >equivalent in the PRB line. Just have to allow for stretch when you measure >length. > >This guy always has Nak belts but not sure about the TD car decks: > >http://myworld.ebay.com/marrscommunications/ > >hope this helps >neil > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Mar 24 16:53:22 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:53:22 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 700 II Issues Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/2008 6:10:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, esteyes at cox.net writes: Worst case, you pull the belt & cut and measure it and find the nearest equivalent in the PRB line. Just have to allow for stretch when you measure length. I really, really, don't recommend the PRB belts for capstan belts in any Nakamichi. They're way too thick. I have tested them for W & F and they are very high. There's also the issue of thicker, tighter belts wearing out the bearings. Jeff W **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon Mar 24 16:54:28 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:54:28 EDT Subject: [naktalk] How about this for a 1000ZXL Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/2008 6:10:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk writes: A rare gem for 1000ZXL collectors. _http://cgi.ebay.es/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Limited-Rare_W0QQitemZ330221624619_ (http://cgi.ebay.es/Nakamichi-1000ZXL-Limited-Rare_W0QQitemZ330221624619) I didn't know anything like it existed. ~Nadeem~ Looks like a scam. It doesn't exist. Jeff W **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Mon Mar 24 18:07:21 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:07:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 and azimuth adjustment Message-ID: <8CA5BE8A8A99974-C34-12B0@Webmail-mg06.sim.aol.com> Hi Dennis The azimuth adjustors are made of white plastic (nylon?) and are on the headblock. The only metal "screws" in this area are spring loaded head assembly retainers - if you push them in and rotate them 90 degrees, the relevant head assembly detaches from the headblock. The white plastic adjustors are from left to right...Record Azimuth, Record Height (Track Alignment), Play Height (Track Alignment), and Play Azimuth. The Height adjustors are the middle adjustors in vertical groups of three adjustors. The upper and lower of these vertical groups are the tilt adjustors.? Hope this helps. Regards John Gipps Message: 12 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:05:57 -0800 From: Dennis Orr Subject: [naktalk] LX5 & azimuth adjustment To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <013001c88b11$40f852e0$c80e4446 at a72400shuttle> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There are two small metal screws below the cassette holder when the door is removed. Are these the adjustment screws? Thanks! ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Mar 24 20:38:13 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:38:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Cobalt tape? In-Reply-To: References: <41850.88189.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910803241238h3ce66b86n7021e6a581d56a0b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/3/24, Kermit Gray : > > As a buyer of bulk blank cassettes since the 1970s, I've used National > audio's tapes because I live close to them, so my shipping cost is > low. National Audio's cobalt cassette blanks were made for them by > Ampex, later Quantegy. They use Saehan tape in these from what I can see. I stopped using their cobalt cassettes years > ago. The shells are mediocre and the tapes' cobalt oxide suffers from > higher modulation noise than even ferric tapes! Their cobalt > cassette's Maximum Output Level (MOL) is lower than chrome cassettes > despite the claims of the spec sheet. The high end is definitely down > 2 to 3 dB at 20,000 cps even in my Revox B710 or a tweaked Nakamichi > 600. > > I do, however, still use their ferric cassettes for spoken word tapes. > My expectation is that they will have to switch over to Sunkyong for > their cobalt tapes, otherwise sometime in the near future they'll drop > cobalt from the catalog. Frustratingly, most of the cassette dupe > work I've had in recent years has been spoken word. > > If you're looking for a bargain cassette for music recording with a > high-end cassette deck like a Nakamichi, then National Audio's cobalt > cassettes aren't a good choice. If you own a low-to-mid end cassette > deck like a Pioneer CT-4141 or CT-F7272, then their cobalt tapes are > fine. How are their chrome cassettes? I noticed they also sell Quantegy tape, separately, so a different tape must be used. On Mar 23, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > OK, I went to the site to look at these tapes > > (National Audio Company). You have to buy lots of a > > hundred, but they are less than $1 ea, which of > > course, is very attractive. I'm not sure for the price > > difference, why for music reproduction, you are even > > considering cobalt tapes? As advertised, they have > > less HF response then their chrome cousins. And the > > difference is about ten cents a tape. > > > > So what I really want to know is; how do these chrome > > tapes from National Audio Company play in high-end > > Naks?? Has anybody used these? I'm unwilling to have > > more cassette tapes that don't compliment my RX-505, > > which so far, loves Maxell MX-S Type IV and Maxell > > XLII Type II tapes. A poster who collects tapes on > > the asylum, claims that the later made MX-S tapes > > (right before these ceased production), are not even > > the quality of the mid 90's and before. They're rare > > as hell and go for insane prices on ebay. I'm quite > > happy for the time being with Maxell XLII and/or the > > best Type II chrome out there still available. > > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Tue Mar 25 11:25:12 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:25:12 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt References: <000601c8890d$e2c683e0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <00ab01c88e62$822dadb0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Rainer, Not sure if this is of any use as I dont know anything about the car audio side of Nakamichi, but I have had a ferret through my belt stock and have what appears to be three new TD560 capstan belts.. if they fit.. no part number on or in the packet unfortunately, just felt pen numbered. Also, can anyone tell what the OC82702A Capstan belt fits? cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rainer & Joy-Ell To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:36 AM Subject: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Does anyone know where I could get a capstan belt for a TD-700 (car deck). After sitting for 5 or 6 years the section of belt that sits on the drive pulley has taken its shape completely ruining the belt,although it wasn't in great shape before! The Nak part number is OCO8781A. Any leads to a new nak belt or even a good cross-over would be appreciated. I have two of these decks that I would like to get up and running again. My E-mail is joyell.solie at sasktel.net Thanks Rainer S. (80stech) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Mar 25 23:36:10 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:36:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Cobalt tape? In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910803241238h3ce66b86n7021e6a581d56a0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <41850.88189.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <17d5ee910803241238h3ce66b86n7021e6a581d56a0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43FDB057-F791-478A-93CA-0C29290742D9@kvglabs.com> Hi Antoine, National Audio Company (NAC) has sold Quantegy (formerly Ampex) 751 as their bulk chrome cassette. 751 is one of the finest chrome cassettes I've ever heard and has been my longtime favorite since the late 1970s. It has extremely low modulation noise, high MOL, is free of dropouts and has good treble extension past 20,000 cps, assuming a great cassette deck. Sadly, NAC uses a mediocre cassette shell to put the 751 in. Also, Quantegy has gone completely out of business from what I've heard so I would be uncertain of how much longer NAC will have 751 available. I've heard rumors that even though NAC lists their chrome bulk cassettes as 751 that is is no longer truly Quantegy 751; and that they use the number 751 merely as a stock number to be consistent with their past catalog product numbers. I cannot confirm the rumor. Admittedly, I've not used their chrome cassettes in the past three years. I'd be happy to buy some new ones and compare them to some older blanks that I can confirm are true Quantegy 751. So they use Saehan as their cobalt tape?! Blecch. No wonder I've never liked their cobalt cassettes. On Mar 24, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > > 2008/3/24, Kermit Gray : > As a buyer of bulk blank cassettes since the 1970s, I've used National > audio's tapes because I live close to them, so my shipping cost is > low. National Audio's cobalt cassette blanks were made for them by > Ampex, later Quantegy. > > They use Saehan tape in these from what I can see. > > I stopped using their cobalt cassettes years > ago. The shells are mediocre and the tapes' cobalt oxide suffers from > higher modulation noise than even ferric tapes! Their cobalt > cassette's Maximum Output Level (MOL) is lower than chrome cassettes > despite the claims of the spec sheet. The high end is definitely down > 2 to 3 dB at 20,000 cps even in my Revox B710 or a tweaked Nakamichi > 600. > > I do, however, still use their ferric cassettes for spoken word tapes. > My expectation is that they will have to switch over to Sunkyong for > their cobalt tapes, otherwise sometime in the near future they'll drop > cobalt from the catalog. Frustratingly, most of the cassette dupe > work I've had in recent years has been spoken word. > > If you're looking for a bargain cassette for music recording with a > high-end cassette deck like a Nakamichi, then National Audio's cobalt > cassettes aren't a good choice. If you own a low-to-mid end cassette > deck like a Pioneer CT-4141 or CT-F7272, then their cobalt tapes are > fine. > > How are their chrome cassettes? I noticed they also sell Quantegy > tape, separately, so a different tape must be used. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue Mar 25 23:42:10 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:42:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Cobalt tape? In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910803241238h3ce66b86n7021e6a581d56a0b@mail.gmail.com> References: <41850.88189.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <17d5ee910803241238h3ce66b86n7021e6a581d56a0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0EC85672-E5DC-4FB5-9B6D-C8BB783C0837@kvglabs.com> A quick follow up, I notice that NAC lists their cobalt tapes as 747. This is an old Ampex stock number (I sold Ampex tapes in the late 1970s), and when Quantegy began making Ampex tapes it was my understanding that they were NOT making the former-Ampex cobalt tapes, including 747; but Quantegy DID make 751, the Ampex chrome cassette. You've mentioned that NAC now uses Saehan as their cobalt tape. This gives credence to the rumors I've heard that 751 isn't the Quantegy 751 chrome cassette tape. But I still do not know for sure if the rumor is true. On Mar 24, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > > 2008/3/24, Kermit Gray : > As a buyer of bulk blank cassettes since the 1970s, I've used National > audio's tapes because I live close to them, so my shipping cost is > low. National Audio's cobalt cassette blanks were made for them by > Ampex, later Quantegy. > > They use Saehan tape in these from what I can see. > > I stopped using their cobalt cassettes years > ago. The shells are mediocre and the tapes' cobalt oxide suffers from > higher modulation noise than even ferric tapes! Their cobalt > cassette's Maximum Output Level (MOL) is lower than chrome cassettes > despite the claims of the spec sheet. The high end is definitely down > 2 to 3 dB at 20,000 cps even in my Revox B710 or a tweaked Nakamichi > 600. > > I do, however, still use their ferric cassettes for spoken word tapes. > My expectation is that they will have to switch over to Sunkyong for > their cobalt tapes, otherwise sometime in the near future they'll drop > cobalt from the catalog. Frustratingly, most of the cassette dupe > work I've had in recent years has been spoken word. > > If you're looking for a bargain cassette for music recording with a > high-end cassette deck like a Nakamichi, then National Audio's cobalt > cassettes aren't a good choice. If you own a low-to-mid end cassette > deck like a Pioneer CT-4141 or CT-F7272, then their cobalt tapes are > fine. > > How are their chrome cassettes? I noticed they also sell Quantegy > tape, separately, so a different tape must be used. > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Mar 25 11:40:13 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:40:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Cobalt tape? In-Reply-To: References: <41850.88189.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47E8D68D.5080704@yahoo.ca> http://nationalaudiocompany.com/ orders at pennysconstruction a écrit : > I was curious about if this means a web site with a list of cassettes? > If so can you post a link or the name of the site? So I can check it out? > Anybody know if there is (are) web sites that post pictures and > descriptions of cassettes and or reels? > Thanks Mike > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Fetner" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:12 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re:Cobalt tape? > > >> OK, I went to the site to look at these tapes >> (National Audio Company). You have to buy lots of a >> hundred, but they are less than $1 ea, which of >> course, is very attractive. I'm not sure for the price >> difference, why for music reproduction, you are even >> considering cobalt tapes? As advertised, they have >> less HF response then their chrome cousins. And the >> difference is about ten cents a tape. >> >> So what I really want to know is; how do these chrome >> tapes from National Audio Company play in high-end >> Naks?? Has anybody used these? I'm unwilling to have >> more cassette tapes that don't compliment my RX-505, >> which so far, loves Maxell MX-S Type IV and Maxell >> XLII Type II tapes. A poster who collects tapes on >> the asylum, claims that the later made MX-S tapes >> (right before these ceased production), are not even >> the quality of the mid 90's and before. They're rare >> as hell and go for insane prices on ebay. I'm quite >> happy for the time being with Maxell XLII and/or the >> best Type II chrome out there still available. >> >> Kevin >> > From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Tue Mar 25 14:20:19 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:20:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt References: <000601c8890d$e2c683e0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <00ab01c88e62$822dadb0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: <000e01c88e7a$f9334420$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Thanks Martin,but I think the TD 560 is probably a single capstan deck making the belt unlikely to be the same. It should be about 11.2" long. Cheers Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin & Karen Short To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Rainer, Not sure if this is of any use as I dont know anything about the car audio side of Nakamichi, but I have had a ferret through my belt stock and have what appears to be three new TD560 capstan belts.. if they fit.. no part number on or in the packet unfortunately, just felt pen numbered. Also, can anyone tell what the OC82702A Capstan belt fits? cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue Mar 25 14:52:31 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:52:31 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Model Kit? Message-ID: <032520081352.8984.47E9039F0002F6570000231822155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Roland wrote: hahahaha! Andy, you have too much time on your hands. You need to get married and I'll guarantee you'll have no time for yourself other than bathing! Hi, Roland: I am married, and believe me, I *don't* have time on my hands, but according to my wife, I do have WAAAAYYYY too many decks! LOL *andy* From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 25 15:01:49 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:01:49 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] TD700 Message-ID: <31027417.1206453709969.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Caig Deoxit (red) 100% solution will last more than a year. If anyone has a dead TD700 let's fix it! It is one of the best sounding car decks ever made. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Rainer & Joy-Ell >Sent: Mar 24, 2008 8:27 AM >To: Neil Sturtevant , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD700 > >Thanks Neil, but PRB doesn't even come close to the original. Tom Brucker >has responded with a fairly good replacement that I am going to try. I was >hoping that someone might have an NOS original Nak belt but these seem to be >even harder to get than the classic transport capstan belt! I might try >using an old original and moving the drive motor to the side to get some >tension back and see how that works as well.If anyone has a dead TD-700 (or >any parts)they like to sell I would be interested. >Also I was wondering if anyone has a method of cleaning pots that lasts more >than a year, and if so, would they want to give up their secret! > >Thanks >Rainer S. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Neil Sturtevant" >To: >Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:30 PM >Subject: [naktalk] TD700 > > >> Looks like there aren't any active ebay sellers with these belts, but I >> did >> find this reference: >> >> Nak p/n PRB p/n Description >> OC08781 ---- Capstan Belt TD-700 >> OC08782 FRW10.1 Capstan Belt TD-500 >> OC08783 SCX7.0 V Pulley Belt TD-500 (and probably TD-700 as >> well) >> OC08784 ---- Loading Belt TD-500, TD-700 >> >> http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#Belt%20Crossreference >> >> So a couple ought to be available from any parts place that sells >> Russell/PRB: http://www.russellind.com/prbline/index.html >> >> Worst case, you pull the belt & cut and measure it and find the nearest >> equivalent in the PRB line. Just have to allow for stretch when you >> measure >> length. >> >> This guy always has Nak belts but not sure about the TD car decks: >> >> http://myworld.ebay.com/marrscommunications/ >> >> hope this helps >> neil >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 25 15:04:35 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:04:35 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] TD700 BELTS Message-ID: <6938959.1206453875501.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Fred, The MCM 42-480 is a close match. I think the precise flat surface is all it lacks. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Marrs Communications >Sent: Mar 24, 2008 8:27 AM >To: Neil Sturtevant , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD700 BELTS > >HELLO, >THE PERSON NEEDING THE BELTS FOR THE TD-700 ! YOU CAN SEND THE MACHINE >TO ME FOR BELT MATCHING, AND I WILL SHIP YOU A NEW KIT FREE OF CHARGE!! >YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SHIPPING COST ONLY. CONTACT ME DIRECTLY. >marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com _ Fred M. > >Neil Sturtevant wrote: > >>Looks like there aren't any active ebay sellers with these belts, but I did >>find this reference: >> >>Nak p/n PRB p/n Description >>OC08781 ---- Capstan Belt TD-700 >>OC08782 FRW10.1 Capstan Belt TD-500 >>OC08783 SCX7.0 V Pulley Belt TD-500 (and probably TD-700 as well) >>OC08784 ---- Loading Belt TD-500, TD-700 >> >>http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#Belt%20Crossreference >> >>So a couple ought to be available from any parts place that sells >>Russell/PRB: http://www.russellind.com/prbline/index.html >> >>Worst case, you pull the belt & cut and measure it and find the nearest >>equivalent in the PRB line. Just have to allow for stretch when you measure >>length. >> >>This guy always has Nak belts but not sure about the TD car decks: >> >>http://myworld.ebay.com/marrscommunications/ >> >>hope this helps >>neil >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 25 15:13:17 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:13:17 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Message-ID: <33433520.1206454397992.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Tue Mar 25 15:49:10 2008 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:49:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 0C82702A Belt In-Reply-To: <200803251100.m2PB0OUS026032@zxe.naks.com> References: <200803251100.m2PB0OUS026032@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001201c88e87$6337f580$6501a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Not sure if this is of any use as I dont know anything about the car audio side of Nakamichi, but I have had a ferret through my belt stock and have what appears to be three new TD560 capstan belts.. if they fit.. no part number on or in the packet unfortunately, just felt pen numbered. Also, can anyone tell what the OC82702A Capstan belt fits? cheers, Martin Martin, The OC82702A is the capstan belt for the CR-3. Robert Kent From sami.inkinen at iki.fi Tue Mar 25 18:00:49 2008 From: sami.inkinen at iki.fi (Sami Inkinen) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:00:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Adjusting playback azimuth in Cassette Deck 2 Message-ID: <26c244660803251000m45b0899fg58f5e00c54a05e78@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, I just bought a Cassette Deck 2 and noticed that even after cleaning the heads, tapes recorded on my other deck and most pre-recorded tapes sound quite dull in the Nak compared to the other one. Could anyone please point a newbie to finding the proper playback head azimuth screw - I do not see any appropriate screws when removing the "cassette slot cover", the screws I see seem to keep the wires in their appropriate places. If you need a photo of the slot, just let me know. Best regards, Sami From sami.inkinen at iki.fi Tue Mar 25 18:34:33 2008 From: sami.inkinen at iki.fi (Sami Inkinen) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:34:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Adjusting playback azimuth in Cassette Deck 2 In-Reply-To: <26c244660803251000m45b0899fg58f5e00c54a05e78@mail.gmail.com> References: <26c244660803251000m45b0899fg58f5e00c54a05e78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26c244660803251034x68facb70u1fa7631b780a0ba4@mail.gmail.com> Oh..never mind. I just took a closer look with a good flashlight and noticed that the screw I was looking for was the left one attached to the playback/recording head. It was pretty much glued to its position but I managed to adjust it very slightly. Much crispier playback now, back to processing my childhood recordings :) -Sami On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Sami Inkinen wrote: > Hello all, > > I just bought a Cassette Deck 2 and noticed that even after cleaning the > heads, tapes recorded on my other deck and most pre-recorded tapes sound > quite dull in the Nak compared to the other one. Could anyone please point > a newbie to finding the proper playback head azimuth screw - I do not see > any appropriate screws when removing the "cassette slot cover", the screws > I see seem to keep the wires in their appropriate places. If you need a > photo of the slot, just let me know. > > Best regards, > Sami > From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Wed Mar 26 12:51:46 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:51:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TD700 BELTS In-Reply-To: <6938959.1206453875501.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <6938959.1206453875501.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47EA38D2.6000509@marrscommunications.com> Tom, Based on your statement "precise flat surface" , I assume replacements that work are hard to find? And the transport sensitive to the capstan belt? Fred M. Tom Brucker wrote: >Fred, > The MCM 42-480 is a close match. I think the precise flat surface is all it lacks. >tom brucker > > >-----Original Message----- > > >>From: Marrs Communications >>Sent: Mar 24, 2008 8:27 AM >>To: Neil Sturtevant , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD700 BELTS >> >>HELLO, >>THE PERSON NEEDING THE BELTS FOR THE TD-700 ! YOU CAN SEND THE MACHINE >>TO ME FOR BELT MATCHING, AND I WILL SHIP YOU A NEW KIT FREE OF CHARGE!! >>YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SHIPPING COST ONLY. CONTACT ME DIRECTLY. >>marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com _ Fred M. >> >>Neil Sturtevant wrote: >> >> >> >>>Looks like there aren't any active ebay sellers with these belts, but I did >>>find this reference: >>> >>>Nak p/n PRB p/n Description >>>OC08781 ---- Capstan Belt TD-700 >>>OC08782 FRW10.1 Capstan Belt TD-500 >>>OC08783 SCX7.0 V Pulley Belt TD-500 (and probably TD-700 as well) >>>OC08784 ---- Loading Belt TD-500, TD-700 >>> >>>http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm#Belt%20Crossreference >>> >>>So a couple ought to be available from any parts place that sells >>>Russell/PRB: http://www.russellind.com/prbline/index.html >>> >>>Worst case, you pull the belt & cut and measure it and find the nearest >>>equivalent in the PRB line. Just have to allow for stretch when you measure >>>length. >>> >>>This guy always has Nak belts but not sure about the TD car decks: >>> >>>http://myworld.ebay.com/marrscommunications/ >>> >>>hope this helps >>>neil >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net >hitech at bellsouth.net >615-331-9241 >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Many thanks for any help... *andy* From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 26 14:39:55 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] TD700 BELTS Message-ID: <16245841.1206538795695.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 26 14:46:33 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Parts List - How Many Pages? Message-ID: <21514562.1206539193898.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> 170 pages is correct. Keep it in .PDF form and use the search feature to locate parts. For example you could search for "belt" and get a list of all part numbers with "belt" as a descriptor. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Mar 26, 2008 7:53 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Parts List - How Many Pages? > > >I just tried to download the Nakamichi parts list from Ebaman. > >For some reason, I have a lot of trouble downloading files from there. > >After three tries, I think I have the entire document, but I want to make sure. > >Can someone tell me how many pages there are in this parts list? My document has 170 pages, according to my Adobe reader. > >My download was officially "incomplete", but the data all seems to be there. I just want to make sure I got everything. > >This document is located in the Nakamichi section of Ebaman, on Page 3 of the "Service Information" category. It is called "Nakamichi Parts Price List". > >Many thanks for any help... > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Wed Mar 26 13:55:01 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:55:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Parts List - How Many Pages? In-Reply-To: <032620081153.26647.47EA393500084AFE0000681722147564029C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <032620081153.26647.47EA393500084AFE0000681722147564029C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47EA47A5.5070102@marrscommunications.com> Andy, The Warranty Station Price List is 170 pages. Fred M. hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >I just tried to download the Nakamichi parts list from Ebaman. > >For some reason, I have a lot of trouble downloading files from there. > >After three tries, I think I have the entire document, but I want to make sure. > >Can someone tell me how many pages there are in this parts list? My document has 170 pages, according to my Adobe reader. > >My download was officially "incomplete", but the data all seems to be there. I just want to make sure I got everything. > >This document is located in the Nakamichi section of Ebaman, on Page 3 of the "Service Information" category. It is called "Nakamichi Parts Price List". > >Many thanks for any help... > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed Mar 26 22:27:49 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:27:49 EDT Subject: [naktalk] TD700 BELTS Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/2008 2:22:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: The subjective observation is that a replacement belt can only be as good as an original belt. Why is it a replacement belt is never "better" than the original? The original equipment maker was probably willing to put more money into a quality belt. But just for fun, try talc-ing your belt. Put it in a bag with talc and shake it up - then put it on the flywheel with rubber gloves on. Gets a little better W & F, at least for a while. Jeff W **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Mar 27 14:43:57 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: TD700 BELTS In-Reply-To: <200803271103.m2RB1KJA020936@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <349892.11005.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Jeff, I was told by a TT expert in the UK that you can drop an old belt in boiling water for exactly ten minutes, pull it out with a fork or tongs and let it air cool to room temperature. Then gently re-talc the belt with pure talc in like a Ziploc Bag...not talc with perfumes or additives. That will bring back 90% of belts, but it's unclear on the resulting longevity. Kevin > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:27:49 EDT > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD700 BELTS > To: hitech77 at earthlink.net > Cc: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > In a message dated 3/26/2008 2:22:25 P.M. Pacific > Daylight Time, > hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: > > The subjective observation is that a replacement > belt can only be as good as > an original belt. Why is it a replacement belt is > never "better" than the > original? > > > The original equipment maker was probably willing to > put more money into a > quality belt. But just for fun, try talc-ing your > belt. Put it in a bag with > talc and shake it up - then put it on the flywheel > with rubber gloves on. > Gets a little better W & F, at least for a while. > > Jeff W ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From theshorty at bigpond.com Thu Mar 27 12:31:23 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:31:23 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt References: <33433520.1206454397992.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00b001c88ffe$16422d40$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Tom, Thanks. These belts are definitely not square.. these are long flat belts @ 5mm width and @11" /280mm long, so obviously the packet labelling is wrong. I'll get hold of that list for sure, as there are some weird parts in genuine Nak bags amongst my bits-n-bobs! Thanks for the note on the C82702 belt.. will come in handy for sure. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Martin, TD 560 is a square belt, part # C84441A, the TD 700 uses a flat belt with heavy flywheels. C82702 is a CR3 capstan belt. If you download the Nakamichi parts price list from ebaman.com that was scanned by Scott Johnson, you can research many mystery parts. Often model number and generic information is contained in these listings. BTW $2.36 was your cost :)) tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Martin & Karen Short Sent: Mar 25, 2008 4:25 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Rainer, Not sure if this is of any use as I dont know anything about the car audio side of Nakamichi, but I have had a ferret through my belt stock and have what appears to be three new TD560 capstan belts.. if they fit.. no part number on or in the packet unfortunately, just felt pen numbered. Also, can anyone tell what the OC82702A Capstan belt fits? cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rainer & Joy-Ell To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:36 AM Subject: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Does anyone know where I could get a capstan belt for a TD-700 (car deck). After sitting for 5 or 6 years the section of belt that sits on the drive pulley has taken its shape completely ruining the belt,although it wasn't in great shape before! The Nak part number is OCO8781A. Any leads to a new nak belt or even a good cross-over would be appreciated. I have two of these decks that I would like to get up and running again. My E-mail is joyell.solie at sasktel.net Thanks Rainer S. (80stech) Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu Mar 27 20:46:35 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:46:35 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: TD700 BELTS Message-ID: In a message dated 3/27/2008 12:36:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shoeihell at yahoo.com writes: Jeff, I was told by a TT expert in the UK that you can drop an old belt in boiling water for exactly ten minutes, pull it out with a fork or tongs and let it air cool to room temperature. Then gently re-talc the belt with pure talc in like a Ziploc Bag...not talc with perfumes or additives. That will bring back 90% of belts, but it's unclear on the resulting longevity. Kevin Has anyone ever tried tried Rubber Renue on old belts with any success? If the thing is dried out and cracked it's not going to work, but the old Nak belts seem to be pretty good quality and we might get another few years out of them. One thing I've learned about Rubber Renue on pinch rollers is that you have to clean off the residues with head cleaner after using it. I saw a website that claimed treating old belts first with head cleaner and then with Rubber Renue worked pretty well on old reel-to-reel decks, but I found on pich rollers you had to do a final stage with head cleaner again at the end. Jeff W **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Thu Mar 27 23:13:05 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:13:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt References: <33433520.1206454397992.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <00b001c88ffe$16422d40$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: <002501c89057$baf08ae0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Martin, that sounds very close to the TD-700 belt! If the thickness is about 0.20" I would REALLY like to buy these from you! My E-mail is joyell.solie at sasktel.net I'll try to get a hold of you off list as well Thanks Rainer Sahlmueller ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin & Karen Short To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Tom, Thanks. These belts are definitely not square.. these are long flat belts @ 5mm width and @11" /280mm long, so obviously the packet labelling is wrong. I'll get hold of that list for sure, as there are some weird parts in genuine Nak bags amongst my bits-n-bobs! Thanks for the note on the C82702 belt.. will come in handy for sure. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Martin, TD 560 is a square belt, part # C84441A, the TD 700 uses a flat belt with heavy flywheels. C82702 is a CR3 capstan belt. If you download the Nakamichi parts price list from ebaman.com that was scanned by Scott Johnson, you can research many mystery parts. Often model number and generic information is contained in these listings. BTW $2.36 was your cost :)) tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Martin & Karen Short Sent: Mar 25, 2008 4:25 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Rainer, Not sure if this is of any use as I dont know anything about the car audio side of Nakamichi, but I have had a ferret through my belt stock and have what appears to be three new TD560 capstan belts.. if they fit.. no part number on or in the packet unfortunately, just felt pen numbered. Also, can anyone tell what the OC82702A Capstan belt fits? cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rainer & Joy-Ell To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:36 AM Subject: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Does anyone know where I could get a capstan belt for a TD-700 (car deck). After sitting for 5 or 6 years the section of belt that sits on the drive pulley has taken its shape completely ruining the belt,although it wasn't in great shape before! The Nak part number is OCO8781A. Any leads to a new nak belt or even a good cross-over would be appreciated. I have two of these decks that I would like to get up and running again. My E-mail is joyell.solie at sasktel.net Thanks Rainer S. (80stech) Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From badanth at aim.com Fri Mar 28 00:48:25 2008 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:48:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sending my deck to Hi Tech Service In-Reply-To: <18217207.1206368882544.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <18217207.1206368882544.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CA5E7C2EC56E9C-101C-C6B@mblk-d46.sysops.aol.com> Well, after all the help trying to?diagnose my pegged meter problem I've decided to send it to Tom at Hi Tech Service. I'd like to thank the other members who offered to help and everyone for their ideas. I know it's in good hands and will soon play wonderful music again. Thanks, Anthony PS: Tom if you're reading this should I send it to the address below? Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robertweber at telus.net Fri Mar 28 03:45:41 2008 From: robertweber at telus.net (ROBERT WEBER) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:45:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300, causing rippled edges of tapes. Message-ID: Hello, My tape deck works perfectly in all respects. That is except for the tendency to turn a some perfectly flat brand new tapes into ones that has rippled and creased edges. The belt is in fine shape. The capstans have been lubricated and are free-running (they glide to a stop in about 4 seconds when the power is turned off). The mirror alignment tape shows that all is well with the tape running centred between all guides. Some tapes are worse than others. The new Maxell XLII.S seem to be the most susceptible while the BASF Chrome Standard II seem to be the least. Has anyone else reviewed the condition of their tapes? Is this a common problem? Is is dependent on the tape brand? Is there something wrong with the BX 300? THANK YOU! Robert From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Mar 28 11:46:26 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:46:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300, causing rippled edges of tapes. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47ECCC82.7090004@yahoo.ca> Hi Robert, adjusting the playback torque on my BX-2 seems to have solved the problem for me (It was doing almost the same thing, but only on BASF ferric tapes. My deck actually rippled the whole tape, not just the edges). I haven't checked the tape path, but the torque adjustment seemed to have fixed the problem. It was probably due to the extra torque it got after burnishing the drive motor's commutator. (It had dead spots) There's a variable resistor somewhere on the main PCB, I set it almost to the minimum. (It has been modified to a gear drive system in the past) Antoine ROBERT WEBER a écrit : > Hello, > > My tape deck works perfectly in all respects. That is except for the > tendency to turn a some perfectly flat brand new tapes into ones that > has rippled and creased edges. The belt is in fine shape. The > capstans have been lubricated and are free-running (they glide to a > stop in about 4 seconds when the power is turned off). The mirror > alignment tape shows that all is well with the tape running centred > between all guides. Some tapes are worse than others. The new Maxell > XLII.S seem to be the most susceptible while the BASF Chrome Standard > II seem to be the least. > > Has anyone else reviewed the condition of their tapes? Is this a > common problem? Is is dependent on the tape brand? Is there > something wrong with the BX 300? > > THANK YOU! > > Robert From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Fri Mar 28 12:40:34 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:40:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300, causing rippled edges of tapes. Message-ID: <032820081140.9007.47ECD93200083E2A0000232F22165499769C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Robert: What you are describing is tape skew, a "disease" that commonly affects dual-capstan decks. The problem is that there is some kind of anomaly between the action of the pinch rollers/capstans on either side. The most common cause of tape skew is dirty or worn pinch rollers. How long has it been since you've cleaned the pinch rollers? I mean REALLY cleaned them? That might be all you need to do. Take some isopropyl alcohol or MEK (be careful with that stuff) and, using a swab, really scrub each pinch roller all the way around. If the pinch rollers are clean, check the action of each pinch roller. Do they both pivot fully into place? Is there enough working spring tension on each pinch roller arm? While the deck is in Play mode with no tape inserted, gently push down on each pinch roller arm. The pinch roller should freely pivot downward and IMMEDIATELY spring back up and contact the capstan when you release the pressure on it. Since your deck has a Sankyo transport, this next tip is a long shot, but still possible: You may need a new capstan belt. Do you still have the original belt installed, or is there some kind of replacement belt on there? The belt might "look" OK, but if it doesn't have enough tension (or is the wrong size), you are CERTAIN to have tape skew. Good Luck, and if you have any further questions, please feel free to ask me! *andy* From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Fri Mar 28 13:50:52 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:50:52 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Message-ID: <032820081250.26575.47ECE9AB000A63B9000067CF22243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Does anyone know where I can get a hold of the following belts and Pinch rollers: 1) OC08096C (belt) 2) OC05104 (belt) 3) pinch roller (any 480/580/680) etc dan -------------- Original message from "Martin & Karen Short" : -------------- Rainer, Not sure if this is of any use as I dont know anything about the car audio side of Nakamichi, but I have had a ferret through my belt stock and have what appears to be three new TD560 capstan belts.. if they fit.. no part number on or in the packet unfortunately, just felt pen numbered. Also, can anyone tell what the OC82702A Capstan belt fits? cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rainer & Joy-Ell To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:36 AM Subject: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Does anyone know where I could get a capstan belt for a TD-700 (car deck). After sitting for 5 or 6 years the section of belt that sits on the drive pulley has taken its shape completely ruining the belt,although it wasn't in great shape before! The Nak part number is OCO8781A. Any leads to a new nak belt or even a good cross-over would be appreciated. I have two of these decks that I would like to get up and running again. My E-mail is joyell.solie at sasktel.net Thanks Rainer S. (80stech) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The BX 300 has a sand blasted matte finish on the capstan, and when it gets polished smooth, curling occurs. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: ROBERT WEBER >Sent: Mar 27, 2008 9:45 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] BX 300, causing rippled edges of tapes. > >Hello, > >My tape deck works perfectly in all respects. That is except for the >tendency to turn a some perfectly flat brand new tapes into ones that >has rippled and creased edges. The belt is in fine shape. The >capstans have been lubricated and are free-running (they glide to a >stop in about 4 seconds when the power is turned off). The mirror >alignment tape shows that all is well with the tape running centred >between all guides. Some tapes are worse than others. The new >Maxell XLII.S seem to be the most susceptible while the BASF Chrome >Standard II seem to be the least. > >Has anyone else reviewed the condition of their tapes? Is this a >common problem? Is is dependent on the tape brand? Is there >something wrong with the BX 300? > >THANK YOU! > >Robert >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From bob31411 at msn.com Fri Mar 28 15:12:45 2008 From: bob31411 at msn.com (bob31411 at msn.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:12:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks Message-ID: Hello, I have mostly been a lurker for months, but I now have a couple of NAK's (Thanks Andy, for one of them). I have gained a wealth of info from all of you on Naktalk. On to my question. Hope it is not off-topic. I have numerous tapes that I had made several years ago with my TEAC Cassette Deck and I used dbx on all of them. I know that Naks don't use dbx. Is it possible to stick a standalone dbx decoder on the output of the Nak and decode the dbx tapes? I know that there are numerous dbx boxes out there and I did have one that I used with my Pioneer RT-909 when I had it. Would one decoder be better to use with tapes that were created with my TEAC than another? Were there different types of compression and expansion that dbx used like Dolby did with B and C? or is one dbx box pretty much like any other? Sorry for the novice questions. Thanks. Bobby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 20:20:56 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: National Audio chrome tapes In-Reply-To: <200803281101.m2SB17eO008555@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <535820.93125.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Kermit, I just received a letter from National Audio and their present chrome tape they are calling "751" is NOT a leftover stock of Quantegy 751 tapes. So I guess the question still remains; how good are their present chrome "751" tapes? Anyone use these tapes?? Kevin A quick follow up, I notice that NAC lists their cobalt tapes as 747. This is an old Ampex stock number (I sold Ampex tapes in the late 1970s), and when Quantegy began making Ampex tapes it was my understanding that they were NOT making the former-Ampex cobalt tapes, including 747; but Quantegy DID make 751, the Ampex chrome cassette. You've mentioned that NAC now uses Saehan as their cobalt tape. This gives credence to the rumors I've heard that 751 isn't the Quantegy 751 chrome cassette tape. But I still do not know for sure if the rumor is true. On Mar 24, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > > 2008/3/24, Kermit Gray : > As a buyer of bulk blank cassettes since the 1970s, I've used National > audio's tapes because I live close to them, so my shipping cost is > low. National Audio's cobalt cassette blanks were made for them by > Ampex, later Quantegy. > > They use Saehan tape in these from what I can see. > > I stopped using their cobalt cassettes years > ago. The shells are mediocre and the tapes' cobalt oxide suffers from > higher modulation noise than even ferric tapes! Their cobalt > cassette's Maximum Output Level (MOL) is lower than chrome cassettes > despite the claims of the spec sheet. The high end is definitely down > 2 to 3 dB at 20,000 cps even in my Revox B710 or a tweaked Nakamichi > 600. > > I do, however, still use their ferric cassettes for spoken word tapes. > My expectation is that they will have to switch over to Sunkyong for > their cobalt tapes, otherwise sometime in the near future they'll drop > cobalt from the catalog. Frustratingly, most of the cassette dupe > work I've had in recent years has been spoken word. > > If you're looking for a bargain cassette for music recording with a > high-end cassette deck like a Nakamichi, then National Audio's cobalt > cassettes aren't a good choice. If you own a low-to-mid end cassette > deck like a Pioneer CT-4141 or CT-F7272, then their cobalt tapes are > fine. > > How are their chrome cassettes? I noticed they also sell Quantegy > tape, separately, so a different tape must be used. > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mark8559 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 28 20:38:18 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:38:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck Message-ID: Anybody on the Naktalk list have one of these? It sure is pretty and impressive, but beyond my price range (for now). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270222160879&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123 _________________________________________________________________ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Sat Mar 29 01:04:51 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:04:51 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt References: <33433520.1206454397992.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net><00b001c88ffe$16422d40$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> <002501c89057$baf08ae0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <004601c89130$827a9af0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Hi Rainer, I'll measure the belt more exactly on Monday when back at work and have access to micrometer to measure thickness. The 11" @ total length was determined with the belt folded in half, so that @ 5.5".. just to be sure I have measured the way you have! cheers Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rainer & Joy-Ell To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Martin, that sounds very close to the TD-700 belt! If the thickness is about 0.20" I would REALLY like to buy these from you! My E-mail is joyell.solie at sasktel.net I'll try to get a hold of you off list as well Thanks Rainer Sahlmueller ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin & Karen Short To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Tom, Thanks. These belts are definitely not square.. these are long flat belts @ 5mm width and @11" /280mm long, so obviously the packet labelling is wrong. I'll get hold of that list for sure, as there are some weird parts in genuine Nak bags amongst my bits-n-bobs! Thanks for the note on the C82702 belt.. will come in handy for sure. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Brucker To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Martin, TD 560 is a square belt, part # C84441A, the TD 700 uses a flat belt with heavy flywheels. C82702 is a CR3 capstan belt. If you download the Nakamichi parts price list from ebaman.com that was scanned by Scott Johnson, you can research many mystery parts. Often model number and generic information is contained in these listings. BTW $2.36 was your cost :)) tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Martin & Karen Short Sent: Mar 25, 2008 4:25 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Rainer, Not sure if this is of any use as I dont know anything about the car audio side of Nakamichi, but I have had a ferret through my belt stock and have what appears to be three new TD560 capstan belts.. if they fit.. no part number on or in the packet unfortunately, just felt pen numbered. Also, can anyone tell what the OC82702A Capstan belt fits? cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rainer & Joy-Ell To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:36 AM Subject: [naktalk] Desperate for TD-700 Capstan belt Does anyone know where I could get a capstan belt for a TD-700 (car deck). After sitting for 5 or 6 years the section of belt that sits on the drive pulley has taken its shape completely ruining the belt,although it wasn't in great shape before! The Nak part number is OCO8781A. Any leads to a new nak belt or even a good cross-over would be appreciated. I have two of these decks that I would like to get up and running again. My E-mail is joyell.solie at sasktel.net Thanks Rainer S. (80stech) Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Perryinva at aol.com Sat Mar 29 01:41:47 2008 From: Perryinva at aol.com (Perryinva at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:41:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks Message-ID: The vast majority of the cassette decks used dbx II. I have the same situation, but I still have my Yamaha, a Technics and a Teac, with dbx. Tapes made on the Ysmaha sound excellent on the others. A standalone dbx will work as long as you play the tapes straight through. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Perryinva at aol.com Sat Mar 29 01:51:52 2008 From: Perryinva at aol.com (Perryinva at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:51:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Freds New Classic Capstan belts? Message-ID: I thought I read that Andy tested one and it worked great. How do I get some?? I need 2 ASAP, but I'll buy 3 to be safe! Perry Esposito _perryinva at aol.com_ (mailto:perryinva at aol.com) **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From microdowns at hotmail.com Sat Mar 29 03:42:23 2008 From: microdowns at hotmail.com (Michael Downs) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 02:42:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Many years ago I attempted to use DBX noise reduction with my Nak 682 deck. I found the noise pumping to be totally unacceptable (Hiss level varies with level of music on tape). I was able to get better results combining Dolby B and DBX, though there was a loss of high frequency and transient response. So I gave up on using DBX altogether. There will most likely be problems with using DBX for playing tapes made on a Teac machine because the Nak will tend to exaggerate both the bass and treble frequency extremes. DBX requires accurate frequency response for proper decoding. The music may tend to take on an unnatural pumping sound whenever there is a preponderance of musical energy at frequencies that are exaggerated on the Nak deck. You may get better results on a properly aligned Teac deck. Michael From: bob31411 at msn.com To: Naktalk at naks.com Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:12:45 -0600 CC: Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks Hello, I have mostly been a lurker for months, but I now have a couple of NAK's (Thanks Andy, for one of them). I have gained a wealth of info from all of you on Naktalk. On to my question. Hope it is not off-topic. I have numerous tapes that I had made several years ago with my TEAC Cassette Deck and I used dbx on all of them. I know that Naks don't use dbx. Is it possible to stick a standalone dbx decoder on the output of the Nak and decode the dbx tapes? I know that there are numerous dbx boxes out there and I did have one that I used with my Pioneer RT-909 when I had it. Would one decoder be better to use with tapes that were created with my TEAC than another? Were there different types of compression and expansion that dbx used like Dolby did with B and C? or is one dbx box pretty much like any other? Sorry for the novice questions. Thanks. Bobby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Mar 29 12:38:49 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:38:49 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nakamichi OC08096C Capstan Belt Message-ID: <032920081138.12234.47EE2A49000390CA00002FCA22155670749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Dan: The Nakamichi OC08096C capstan belt is pretty much unobtainable now, unless you want to pay big bucks for one from some shop's leftover stock....and then there is no guarantee that the belt will be in top condition, due to age. I highly, *HIGHLY* recommend getting the replacement belt from Fred that is an EXACT match for the OC08096C belt. Fred has managed to get NEW belts manufactured that meet the OC08096C belt's specifications. I have installed Fred's belt into a couple of decks now, and the belt looks and fits EXACTLY the same as the original belt. But what is more important is that both of the decks now measure EXACTLY correct wow/flutter according to the factory specifications. I have searched all over for a suitable replacement for the OC08096C belt, and I have never been able to find one that worked well enough--and I have always been unwilling to pay inflated prices for NOS belts which may or may not be in top condition. Contact Fred and get one of his belts. It is the BEST capstan belt available for the standard Nakamichi dual-capstan transport, I kid you not. His e-mail address has been acting funny lately, but here it is anyway. I hope it works for you: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com *andy* From surf at nctv.com Sat Mar 29 14:06:37 2008 From: surf at nctv.com (bill) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:06:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX5 Message-ID: <23.DC.30974.EDE3EE74@mxo4.broadbandsupport.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Mar 29 13:30:40 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:30:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17d5ee910803290530k61386d91hd067143a41eafc87@mail.gmail.com> Don't have one, but I'm totally happy with my Fostex D-25 (330016684618) I bought a few months ago for $90 in working condition. (It cost $8000 new) ;-D 2008/3/28, Mark Exstedt : > > Anybody on the Naktalk list have one of these? It sure is pretty and > impressive, but beyond my price range (for now). > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270222160879&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123 > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Mar 29 13:35:43 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:35:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: National Audio chrome tapes In-Reply-To: <535820.93125.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <200803281101.m2SB17eO008555@zxe.naks.com> <535820.93125.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910803290535h5306e56al9d9ef98ef27a567b@mail.gmail.com> Hi Kevin, they sent me the spec sheets for both the cobalt and chrome tape and finally, they have two different types for each. They have Sunkyong/SKMA tape available in Chrome/Cobalt for their chrome cassettes and they have CrO2 Sunkyong tape as well. As for the cobalt tapes, they can make 60 minute cassettes with Sunkyong tape, and the Saehan is the only option for 90 minutes(but also available in shorter lengths)s Antoine 2008/3/28, Kevin Fetner : > > Kermit, > I just received a letter from National Audio and their > present chrome tape they are calling "751" is NOT a > leftover stock of Quantegy 751 tapes. So I guess the > question still remains; how good are their present > chrome "751" tapes? Anyone use these tapes?? > > Kevin > > > A quick follow up, > > I notice that NAC lists their cobalt tapes as 747. > This is an old > Ampex stock number (I sold Ampex tapes in the late > 1970s), and when > Quantegy began making Ampex tapes it was my > understanding that they > were NOT making the former-Ampex cobalt tapes, > including 747; but > Quantegy DID make 751, the Ampex chrome cassette. > You've mentioned > that NAC now uses Saehan as their cobalt tape. This > gives credence to > the rumors I've heard that 751 isn't the Quantegy 751 > chrome cassette > tape. But I still do not know for sure if the rumor > is true. > > On Mar 24, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > > > > > > 2008/3/24, Kermit Gray : > > As a buyer of bulk blank cassettes since the 1970s, > I've used National > > audio's tapes because I live close to them, so my > shipping cost is > > low. National Audio's cobalt cassette blanks were > made for them by > > Ampex, later Quantegy. > > > > They use Saehan tape in these from what I can see. > > > > I stopped using their cobalt cassettes years > > ago. The shells are mediocre and the tapes' cobalt > oxide suffers from > > higher modulation noise than even ferric tapes! > Their cobalt > > cassette's Maximum Output Level (MOL) is lower than > chrome cassettes > > despite the claims of the spec sheet. The high end > is definitely down > > 2 to 3 dB at 20,000 cps even in my Revox B710 or a > tweaked Nakamichi > > 600. > > > > I do, however, still use their ferric cassettes for > spoken word tapes. > > My expectation is that they will have to switch over > to Sunkyong for > > their cobalt tapes, otherwise sometime in the near > future they'll drop > > cobalt from the catalog. Frustratingly, most of the > cassette dupe > > work I've had in recent years has been spoken word. > > > > If you're looking for a bargain cassette for music > recording with a > > high-end cassette deck like a Nakamichi, then > National Audio's cobalt > > cassettes aren't a good choice. If you own a > low-to-mid end cassette > > deck like a Pioneer CT-4141 or CT-F7272, then their > cobalt tapes are > > fine. > > > > How are their chrome cassettes? I noticed they also > sell Quantegy > > tape, separately, so a different tape must be used. > > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From surf at nctv.com Sat Mar 29 14:07:32 2008 From: surf at nctv.com (bill) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:07:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobschneider8 at comcast.net Sat Mar 29 16:23:31 2008 From: bobschneider8 at comcast.net (Robert Schneider) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:23:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Freds New Classic Capstan belts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47EE5EF3.1040007@comcast.net> Fred sells belt kits that include his capstan belts on fleaBay, as "marrscommunications" Perryinva at aol.com wrote: > I thought I read that Andy tested one and it worked great. How do I > get some?? I need 2 ASAP, but I'll buy 3 to be safe! > > Perry Esposito > perryinva at aol.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home > . > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 19:44:02 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DAT Deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <217644.42044.qm@web50509.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It's a scam. The picture is the second one down from this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=260216638989 --- Mark Exstedt wrote: > > Anybody on the Naktalk list have one of these? It > sure is pretty and impressive, but beyond my price > range (for now). > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270222160879&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123 > _________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text4.com From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sat Mar 29 20:14:36 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <85630.40947.qm@web50511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You don't say which dbx/type you used. David --- Michael Downs wrote: > Many years ago I attempted to use DBX noise > reduction with my Nak 682 deck. I found the noise > pumping to be totally unacceptable (Hiss level > varies with level of music on tape). I was able to > get better results combining Dolby B and DBX, though > there was a loss of high frequency and transient > response. So I gave up on using DBX altogether. > > There will most likely be problems with using DBX > for playing tapes made on a Teac machine because the > Nak will tend to exaggerate both the bass and treble > frequency extremes. DBX requires accurate frequency > response for proper decoding. The music may tend to > take on an unnatural pumping sound whenever there is > a preponderance of musical energy at frequencies > that are exaggerated on the Nak deck. You may get > better results on a properly aligned Teac deck. > > Michael > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text3.com From theshorty at bigpond.com Sat Mar 29 22:57:12 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:57:12 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks References: Message-ID: <008b01c891e7$d7cf2950$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Bobby, Yes it is!!. You don't say what decoder you have but if it is a domestic encode/decode model you should be OK. I was in the same boat having a lot of Technics dbx'd tapes, and so have a dbx224 type II hooked into my CR-3 so that I can play these back and also record as well. Just switch the Dolby on the Nak off. How dbx type II differs to dbx type I I don't know, but Kermit may chime in here. Give it a go.. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: bob31411 at msn.com To: Naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:12 AM Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks Hello, I have mostly been a lurker for months, but I now have a couple of NAK's (Thanks Andy, for one of them). I have gained a wealth of info from all of you on Naktalk. On to my question. Hope it is not off-topic. I have numerous tapes that I had made several years ago with my TEAC Cassette Deck and I used dbx on all of them. I know that Naks don't use dbx. Is it possible to stick a standalone dbx decoder on the output of the Nak and decode the dbx tapes? I know that there are numerous dbx boxes out there and I did have one that I used with my Pioneer RT-909 when I had it. Would one decoder be better to use with tapes that were created with my TEAC than another? Were there different types of compression and expansion that dbx used like Dolby did with B and C? or is one dbx box pretty much like any other? Sorry for the novice questions. Thanks. Bobby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sat Mar 29 22:46:30 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:46:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] WANTED: *COMPLETE* SERVICE MANUALS Message-ID: <032920082146.19562.47EEB8B600043A7200004C6A22165258569C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> I am looking for *complete* service manual downloads for the following models. Any help would be much appreciated! MR-2 BX-125 These are two of the parts decks in my stash, and I would like to have a list of the parts on the main boards. THANKS! *andy* From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Mar 29 21:07:33 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:07:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SPECIAL OFFER TO NAKTALK MEMBERS ON OCO8096-D THU 3/31 ONLY! Message-ID: <47EEA185.6010201@marrscommunications.com> HELLO TO ALL MEMBERS, Since Naktalk was one of the reasons I decided to have the 8096-D produced, I want to make the following introductory offer to all members. This "special" will only be available through 3/31. THE OFFER: To Qualify, you must purchase a minimum of 5 belts. The maximum which may be purchased (at this time), is 10 per household. The $3.25 / $6.25 shipping charge applies for (5 or 10 pieces). Currently the deepest discount available is for 24 to 36 pieces at $19.96 each. From now through 3/31 the Naktalk "special" is $20.00 ea. Please do not wait to buy, thinking I will lower the price, it will not happen! (at least for a very long time). Remember, 5 piece minimum, 10 maximum. Retail customers come first. IF (which I doubt), I run short the retail customer gets theirs first. When I first appeared on Naktalk, I mentioned this belt, without much interest ? It's here, It works, enjoy ! Thanks everyone! Fred M. From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Mar 29 21:11:38 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:11:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: SPECIAL OFFER TO NAKTALK MEMBERS ON OCO8096-D THU 3/31 ONLY! In-Reply-To: <47EEA185.6010201@marrscommunications.com> References: <47EEA185.6010201@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <47EEA27A.9070308@marrscommunications.com> SHIPPING REVISION: Marrs Communications wrote: > HELLO TO ALL MEMBERS, > Since Naktalk was one of the reasons I decided to have the 8096-D > produced, I want to make the following introductory offer to all > members. This "special" will only be available through 3/31. > THE OFFER: To Qualify, you must purchase a minimum of 5 belts. The > maximum which may be purchased (at this time), is 10 per household. > The $3.25 U.S. / $6.25 Worldwide shipping charge applies for (up to 10 > pieces). Currently the deepest discount available is for 24 to 36 > pieces at $19.96 each. From now through 3/31 the Naktalk "special" is > $20.00 ea. Please do not wait to buy, thinking I will lower the > price, it will not happen! (at least for a very long time). > Remember, 5 piece minimum, 10 maximum. Retail customers come first. > IF (which I doubt), I run short the retail customer gets theirs > first. When I first appeared on Naktalk, I mentioned this belt, > without much interest ? It's here, It works, enjoy ! Thanks > everyone! Fred M. > > > > > > > From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Mar 29 21:55:20 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:55:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re: SHIPPING REVISION / PAYMENT INST. *SPECIAL / NAKTALK MEMBERS ON OCO8096-D THU 3/31 ONLY! In-Reply-To: <47EEA27A.9070308@marrscommunications.com> References: <47EEA185.6010201@marrscommunications.com> <47EEA27A.9070308@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <47EEACB8.7080104@marrscommunications.com> SHIPPING REVISION: and PAYMENT: CONTACT ME DIRECTLY FOR PAYMENT INSTRUCTIONS. > > HELLO TO ALL MEMBERS, > >> Since Naktalk was one of the reasons I decided to have the 8096-D >> produced, I want to make the following introductory offer to all >> members. This "special" will only be available through 3/31. >> THE OFFER: To Qualify, you must purchase a minimum of 5 belts. The >> maximum which may be purchased (at this time), is 10 per household. >> The $3.25 U.S. / $6.25 Worldwide shipping charge applies for (up to >> 10 pieces). Currently the deepest discount available is for 24 to 36 >> pieces at $19.96 each. From now through 3/31 the Naktalk "special" is >> $20.00 ea. Please do not wait to buy, thinking I will lower the >> price, it will not happen! (at least for a very long time). >> Remember, 5 piece minimum, 10 maximum. Retail customers come >> first. IF (which I doubt), I run short the retail customer gets >> theirs first. When I first appeared on Naktalk, I mentioned this >> belt, without much interest ? It's here, It works, enjoy ! Thanks >> everyone! Fred M. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > From herbchong at compuserve.com Sun Mar 30 00:55:10 2008 From: herbchong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:55:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00f501c891f8$5300afd0$f9020f70$@com> It's been years since I have posted here. Every dbx problem I have run into has been because of incorrectly calibrated recording or playback levels. I have a Telefunken HighCOM unit that I used to use with several different cassette decks including my 700ZXL. With properly calibrated levels and sufficiently flat deck response there should not be any noise pumping, even going across machines. Herb. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Michael Downs Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:42 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks Many years ago I attempted to use DBX noise reduction with my Nak 682 deck. I found the noise pumping to be totally unacceptable (Hiss level varies with level of music on tape). I was able to get better results combining Dolby B and DBX, though there was a loss of high frequency and transient response. So I gave up on using DBX altogether. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Mar 30 04:48:07 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:48:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX5 In-Reply-To: <23.DC.30974.EDE3EE74@mxo4.broadbandsupport.net> References: <23.DC.30974.EDE3EE74@mxo4.broadbandsupport.net> Message-ID: <47EEFF67.1070703@rcn.com> bill wrote: > I just got my first Nakamichi tape deck,i got it off Ebay and its the > LX5.It seems to play well and sounds better than any tape deck I've > owned in the past.I've read the owners manual and it doesn't answer the > one question i have at this time,there's a light that stays on all of > the time.The seller says that its normal? The light has to do with a > function you use during recording called fader control,there's two > buttons with two light above the buttons,the one that stays lite says > up,and i haven't did any recording just play,should this light stay on > all the time?Thank You The owner was right. See item 25 on page 5 and item 1 on page 7 of the owner's manual. Try to use the fader during recording and you'll see how it works. -- Ron From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 30 05:35:57 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:35:57 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX5 Message-ID: Relax my friend. I own two LX-5's and they look and and sound wonderfull. Yes, sometimes they sound better than a Nakamichi Dragon, depending on what mood you are in after coming home from work. To my ears, the LX-5 will give you better sound at times with pop, as in the bongo drums or pop music (such as Madonna or Santana). There's been guys claiming on EBay that the sound is better than the Dragon, but I still rate the Dragon better. I also owned two LX-3's, but have one left in the closet. The light is normal. I just turned on my stereo system 'A' and 'B' which have an LX-5 each and the fader light is in the up (maximum) position. On all the time. I hope you have the owners manual. You may be right, perhaps this is not mentioned in the owners manual. From: surf at nctv.comTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:06:37 -0400Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX5I just got my first Nakamichi tape deck,i got it off Ebay and its the LX5.It seems to play well and sounds better than any tape deck I've owned in the past.I've read the owners manual and it doesn't answer the one question i have at this time,there's a light that stays on all of the time.The seller says that its normal? The light has to do with a function you use during recording called fader control,there's two buttons with two light above the buttons,the one that stays lite says up,and i haven't did any recording just play,should this light stay on all the time?Thank You _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V3 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001 URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 30 06:00:00 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 22:00:00 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX5 In-Reply-To: <47EEFF67.1070703@rcn.com> References: <23.DC.30974.EDE3EE74@mxo4.broadbandsupport.net> <47EEFF67.1070703@rcn.com> Message-ID: Take Ron's advice. He's been on this Naktalk list for years. He gives good advice and gives quick help to those that need it. Glad to hear you're still alive Ron!> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:48:07 -0500> From: ra.ah at rcn.com> To: surf at nctv.com; naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX5> CC: > > bill wrote:> > I just got my first Nakamichi tape deck,i got it off Ebay and its the > > LX5.It seems to play well and sounds better than any tape deck I've > > owned in the past.I've read the owners manual and it doesn't answer the > > one question i have at this time,there's a light that stays on all of > > the time.The seller says that its normal? The light has to do with a > > function you use during recording called fader control,there's two > > buttons with two light above the buttons,the one that stays lite says > > up,and i haven't did any recording just play,should this light stay on > > all the time?Thank You > > > > The owner was right. See item 25 on page 5> and item 1 on page 7 of the owner's manual.> Try to use the fader during recording and> you'll see how it works.> > -- Ron> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Watch “Cause Effect,” a show about real people making a real difference. Learn more. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Mon Mar 31 02:50:58 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:50:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks In-Reply-To: <008b01c891e7$d7cf2950$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> References: <008b01c891e7$d7cf2950$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: Hi Martin, dbx type I and Type II differ in the details of their level sensing circuits that control the complementary compression/expansion processes. Type I is optimized for 15 ips or 30 ips studio reel-to- reel recorders. Type II is designed to be more forgiving of encode/ decode errors and is intended for cassette recorders and home reel-to- reels running at 7.5 ips or slower. Type I provides more than 30 dB of noise reduction and Type II provides only about 20 dB of noise reduction despite claims of 30 dB, although you can get 30 dB with a high quality deck. I've gotten 30 dB with Type II on my Nak 600 -- and i've gotten a Type I to work with a Nak 600! Type I has an undeserved reputation of being more prone to mistracking side-effects. If you have a dbx cassette then it will be Type II. I recommend the 222, 224 and NX-40. I have all three in my rig; the NX-40 sounds cheaper compared to the 222 and 224, though. On Mar 29, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Martin & Karen Short wrote: > Bobby, > > Yes it is!!. You don't say what decoder you have but if it is a > domestic encode/decode model you should be OK. > I was in the same boat having a lot of Technics dbx'd tapes, and so > have a dbx224 type II hooked into my CR-3 so that I can play these > back and also record as well. Just switch the Dolby on the Nak off. > How dbx type II differs to dbx type I I don't know, but Kermit may > chime in here. > > Give it a go.. > > cheers, > Martin > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bob31411 at msn.com > To: Naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:12 AM > Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks > > Hello, > > I have mostly been a lurker for months, but I now have a couple of > NAK's (Thanks Andy, for one of them). I have gained a wealth of info > from all of you on Naktalk. On to my question. Hope it is not off- > topic. > > I have numerous tapes that I had made several years ago with my TEAC > Cassette Deck and I used dbx on all of them. I know that Naks don't > use dbx. Is it possible to stick a standalone dbx decoder on the > output of the Nak and decode the dbx tapes? I know that there are > numerous dbx boxes out there and I did have one that I used with my > Pioneer RT-909 when I had it. Would one decoder be better to use > with tapes that were created with my TEAC than another? Were there > different types of compression and expansion that dbx used like > Dolby did with B and C? or is one dbx box pretty much like any > other? Sorry for the novice questions. > > Thanks. Bobby > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Mar 30 16:22:54 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:22:54 -0500 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX5 In-Reply-To: References: <23.DC.30974.EDE3EE74@mxo4.broadbandsupport.net> <47EEFF67.1070703@rcn.com> Message-ID: <47EFA23E.9030908@rcn.com> Mark Exstedt wrote: > Take Ron's advice. He's been on this Naktalk list for years. He gives > good advice and gives quick help to those that need it. Glad to hear > you're still alive Ron! Thanx for the good words, Mark... I did die a few times, but always managed to come back :-). -- Ron > > > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:48:07 -0500 > > From: ra.ah at rcn.com > > To: surf at nctv.com; naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX5 > > CC: > > > > bill wrote: > > > I just got my first Nakamichi tape deck,i got it off Ebay and its the > > > LX5.It seems to play well and sounds better than any tape deck I've > > > owned in the past.I've read the owners manual and it doesn't answer > the > > > one question i have at this time,there's a light that stays on all of > > > the time.The seller says that its normal? The light has to do with a > > > function you use during recording called fader control,there's two > > > buttons with two light above the buttons,the one that stays lite says > > > up,and i haven't did any recording just play,should this light stay on > > > all the time?Thank You > > > > > > > > The owner was right. See item 25 on page 5 > > and item 1 on page 7 of the owner's manual. > > Try to use the fader during recording and > > you'll see how it works. > > > > -- Ron From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 17:56:08 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: dbx Tapes and naks In-Reply-To: <200803301001.m2UA1Ffk002860@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <580819.84282.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Bobby, The dbx system is top flight, however it will multiply errors if your deck is not calibrated properly. It's my understanding that the dbx Type II is not up to the standard of the Type I. The dbx 224 (Type I) is supposed to be a fine unit and recommended by most who favor dbx and recording. Kermit here wrote a white paper on calibrating the 224. The manual requires that you have a mixing board, because they assume you are recording in some sort of studio situation. It's not necessary to have the mixing board, as you can download test tones onto a CD and calibrate that way. Ray is waiting patiently here to do that, but I got lost in Kermit's paper/instructions. Personally, I have dbx 3BX expander and a SNR-1 dbx noise reduction unit. I've used them for R2R recordings with great success, but not with the RX-505 as of yet. I'm pretty sure my bias calibrations are not on, so I'm waiting to correct that before using the dbx system. Kevin Hello, I have mostly been a lurker for months, but I now have a couple of NAK's (Thanks Andy, for one of them). I have gained a wealth of info from all of you on Naktalk. On to my question. Hope it is not off-topic. I have numerous tapes that I had made several years ago with my TEAC Cassette Deck and I used dbx on all of them. I know that Naks don't use dbx. Is it possible to stick a standalone dbx decoder on the output of the Nak and decode the dbx tapes? I know that there are numerous dbx boxes out there and I did have one that I used with my Pioneer RT-909 when I had it. Would one decoder be better to use with tapes that were created with my TEAC than another? Were there different types of compression and expansion that dbx used like Dolby did with B and C? or is one dbx box pretty much like any other? Sorry for the novice questions. Thanks. Bobby ____________________________________________________________________________________ Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text3.com From pharmboy at cruzio.com Sun Mar 30 18:51:44 2008 From: pharmboy at cruzio.com (Pharmboy) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:51:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FS: New factory sealed TDK and Maxell cassette tapes In-Reply-To: <200803301001.m2UA1Ffk002860@zxe.naks.com> References: <200803301001.m2UA1Ffk002860@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <20080330165119.M65622@cruzio.com> I'm in the process of moving and decided to part with equipment that i have not used in the quite some time. I was told of the NakTalk list just recently...unfortunately I sold quite a bit of my audio gear already on Craig's List. But since i was made aware of this list I will list the rest of the items here as it will probably go to a better home. I have the following new factory sealed analog cassette tapes available. All tape has been stored in a smoke free, temperature and humidity controlled environment. All tape is "Made in Japan". 6 x TDK SA-X 100 min high bias tape - $5 each or 6 for $25 6 x Maxell XL II-S 100 min high bias - $5 each or 6 for $25 4 x Maxell XLII 90 min high bias - $3 each or 4 for $10 5 x Maxell XL II-S 90 min high bias - $4 each or 5 for $15 I also have over 1000 cassettes of assorted brands that have been recorded on once and rarely played. 85% are high bias Maxell and TDK, 10% are Maxell and TDK Metal and 5% are other assort brands of metal or high bias (i.e. Dennon, Sony, Ampex, Thats, etc). From pharmboy at cruzio.com Sun Mar 30 19:45:06 2008 From: pharmboy at cruzio.com (Pharmboy) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:45:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi BX-2 Message-ID: <20080330173024.M28368@cruzio.com> I'm moving and clearing out gear i have not used in years. I have a BX-2 that has been religiously serviced and maintained. I bought it new in 1979 or 80 and it has been serviced only by Nakamichi America. The deck has been packed up and has not been used since the last service on 12/12/95. Biased was set to Maxell XL II-S tape. Gear mechanism was updated/replaced along with motor by Nak America in 1994. In 1995 the capstan belt, pressure roller and head were replaced. The unit has medium scratches on top of unit. I will unpack and take some pics for those interested. I'm asking $150. Not sure if this is a fair price but i will entertain any and all offers. From pharmboy at cruzio.com Sun Mar 30 20:03:15 2008 From: pharmboy at cruzio.com (Pharmboy) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:03:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi Cassette Deck 2 and Message-ID: <20080330174908.M51835@cruzio.com> I'm selling all my cassette decks so here is a list of what i have and my asking price. All decks have been religiously maintained, cleaned and serviced. Nakamichi Cassette Deck 2: $100 Very good condition with very light scratches on top cover of unit. Tascam 112 MKII: $350 mint condition Harman Kardon TD4600: $150 mint condition I will entertain all and any offers. From microdowns at hotmail.com Mon Mar 31 05:08:42 2008 From: microdowns at hotmail.com (Michael Downs) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:08:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks In-Reply-To: <00f501c891f8$5300afd0$f9020f70$@com> References: <00f501c891f8$5300afd0$f9020f70$@com> Message-ID: Herb: I beg to differ with you about noise pumping. The consumer version of dbx is a single band 2:1 compression/expansion noise reduction system that uses fixed equalization to shape the recorded signal in an attempt to even out the signal level recorded for "normal" music. This equalization accentuates the mid range and reduces the bass on recording and does the opposite in playback, which results in a flat overall response. DBX encoding compresses the signal at a 2:1 ratio, so for a difference of 10 db in the source there will only be a 5 db change in recorded level. Assuming a s/n ratio of 55 db (without Dolby), the maximum s/n ratio with a silent input would be 110 db, although the output noise of a dbx unit would most likely be somewhat above this level. The big problem with dbxoccurs when there is a signal with a narrow band of spectral energy, such as an individual instrument. A good example is a piano, when a note is played that reaches the maximum recording level (close to 0 db), the noise level relative to the note being played is only 55 db and is clearly audible because there is no other musical information in the tapes peak "hiss" frequency range to mask the tape noise. What's worse is that the hiss level raises and lowers with the attack and decay of the note. The resulting recording is horrendous sounding and is totally unacceptable to many people (this may partially explain why dbx never gained much acceptance). Now with music that has musical energy in a broad frequency spectrum, the noise pumping would not be normally heard and the resulting recording would be quieter than when using Dolby B or C. However, Dolby noise reduction is much more immune to noise pumping because it uses a more sophisticated "sliding band" compression/expansion method and a reduced compression/expansion ratio.Another major problem with dbx can occur when the playback frequency response is not flat. Since dbx tracks the expansion on the peak recorded signal, if that peak happens to be in an area where the playback response is exaggerated, the playback level will also be higher - resulting in some extremely non musical playback. My experience with playing tapes made from Teac tape decks was that the resulting playback was boosted in level at both the high and low frequencies. So whenever the peak recorded music level is in this range, playback misbehavior will occur. A better result may occur with using an optimally aligned Teac or other conventional deck for playback of dbx encoded tapes.When I first began using dbx with my Nak deck, I contacted the dbx tech. support to discuss the noise pumping issue with them. There were numerous conversations and they ended up swapping out my unit. In the end it was determined that the dbx unit and Nak deck were performing properly. The tech. support person stated there must be some unknown incompatibility between Nakamichi decks and dbx noise reduction units, since most of the people that complained about the noise pumping were Nak owners. It was only much later that I realized that many Nak owners were truly into listening to music and not just accepting the great S/N specifications. Most critical listeners would not feel that the extra noise reduction was worth the non-musical side effects. From: herbchong at compuserve.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and NaksDate: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:55:10 -0400 It’s been years since I have posted here. Every dbx problem I have run into has been because of incorrectly calibrated recording or playback levels. I have a Telefunken HighCOM unit that I used to use with several different cassette decks including my 700ZXL. With properly calibrated levels and sufficiently flat deck response there should not be any noise pumping, even going across machines. Herb… From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Michael DownsSent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:42 PMTo: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: RE: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks Many years ago I attempted to use DBX noise reduction with my Nak 682 deck. I found the noise pumping to be totally unacceptable (Hiss level varies with level of music on tape). I was able to get better results combining Dolby B and DBX, though there was a loss of high frequency and transient response. So I gave up on using DBX altogether. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Mon Mar 31 05:31:44 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:31:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks Message-ID: <033120080331.14583.47F05B1F00097EBD000038F722243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Kermit. I am an unrepentant DBX junkie, what with a small plethora of (4) DBX 224DS set up in each rack and the incredible results with 2 track 2 channel decks at 3.34 ips (to maximize duration). The noise is virtually eliminated and the dynamic range explosion is phenominal. However, ALL of the 4 track 2 channel decks are a different story. I cannot get any of them to sound natural, due to pumping/breathing artifacts. How does one set tracking correctly to avoid. The manual doesn't do a credible job of explaining the correct method to eliminate. Can you help explain how to correctly set up recording levels, etc. dino -------------- Original message from Kermit Gray : -------------- Hi Martin, dbx type I and Type II differ in the details of their level sensing circuits that control the complementary compression/expansion processes. Type I is optimized for 15 ips or 30 ips studio reel-to-reel recorders. Type II is designed to be more forgiving of encode/decode errors and is intended for cassette recorders and home reel-to-reels running at 7.5 ips or slower. Type I provides more than 30 dB of noise reduction and Type II provides only about 20 dB of noise reduction despite claims of 30 dB, although you can get 30 dB with a high quality deck. I've gotten 30 dB with Type II on my Nak 600 -- and i've gotten a Type I to work with a Nak 600! Type I has an undeserved reputation of being more prone to mistracking side-effects. If you have a dbx cassette then it will be Type II. I recommend the 222, 224 and NX-40. I have all three in my rig; the NX-40 sounds cheaper compared to the 222 and 224, though. On Mar 29, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Martin & Karen Short wrote: Bobby, Yes it is!!. You don't say what decoder you have but if it is a domestic encode/decode model you should be OK. I was in the same boat having a lot of Technics dbx'd tapes, and so have a dbx224 type II hooked into my CR-3 so that I can play these back and also record as well. Just switch the Dolby on the Nak off. How dbx type II differs to dbx type I I don't know, but Kermit may chime in here. Give it a go.. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: bob31411 at msn.com To: Naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:12 AM Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks Hello, I have mostly been a lurker for months, but I now have a couple of NAK's (Thanks Andy, for one of them). I have gained a wealth of info from all of you on Naktalk. On to my question. Hope it is not off-topic. I have numerous tapes that I had made several years ago with my TEAC Cassette Deck and I used dbx on all of them. I know that Naks don't use dbx. Is it possible to stick a standalone dbx decoder on the output of the Nak and decode the dbx tapes? I know that there are numerous dbx boxes out there and I did have one that I used with my Pioneer RT-909 when I had it. Would one decoder be better to use with tapes that were created with my TEAC than another? Were there different types of compression and expansion that dbx used like Dolby did with B and C? or is one dbx box pretty much like any other? Sorry for the novice questions. Thanks. Bobby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maolinesrl at tiscali.it Mon Mar 31 11:32:51 2008 From: maolinesrl at tiscali.it (maoline srl) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:32:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dbx Message-ID: <000d01c89312$31d5aac0$b301a8c0@maolinecip> Hi, all, just a few words about dbx (mostly about type II even though I had the chance a couple of times to listen to type I - the impressions, though a little better, were essentially the same). Every single, correctly functioning, dbx equipped device I came across in thirty-five years (hey, I was a kid when it all started :-) ) sounded from bad to ok, to even quite good., as far as casual listening is concerned. But from an audiophile point of view and when you try to carefully spot differences between original and recording, dbx is simply not even worth mentioning. The so-called 'pumping' which is relatilvely minimized on correctly calibrated devices is only a minor part of the story. The major part resides in an unacceptable smoothing and smearing of transients and a very noticeable alteration of tonal balance. Of course we are talking here about recorders with essentially flat frequency response because with inferior decks the irregularities of their frequency response are *doubled*, with nasty effects indeed. This is well in accordance with the perception of a little bit 'strange sound' evoked by most listeners in dbx hey-day. I remeber very well indeed that 'strange' sound which could be found even on commercial dbx encoded LPs. Eventually, dbx was killed by the 75 db s/n ratio Dolby C star. On my CR-7E its presence is very slightly noticeable, but with the right tapes it comes very, VERY close to absolute transparency. And its action against tape hiss, on this machine, is absolutely more than enough. Best regards, Paolo Cipollone Pescara, Italy From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 31 14:45:50 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:45:50 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks Message-ID: <32111142.1206967550485.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 31 15:54:25 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:54:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] FS: Nakamichi BX-2 In-Reply-To: <20080330173024.M28368@cruzio.com> References: <20080330173024.M28368@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <47F0ED11.1020504@rcn.com> It will help prospective e buyers to know your location and what shipping services are available. -- Ron Pharmboy wrote: > I'm moving and clearing out gear i have not used in years. I have a BX-2 that > has been religiously serviced and maintained. I bought it new in 1979 or 80 > and it has been serviced only by Nakamichi America. The deck has been packed > up and has not been used since the last service on 12/12/95. Biased was set > to Maxell XL II-S tape. Gear mechanism was updated/replaced along with motor > by Nak America in 1994. In 1995 the capstan belt, pressure roller and head > were replaced. The unit has medium scratches on top of unit. I will unpack > and take some pics for those interested. > I'm asking $150. Not sure if this is a fair price but i will entertain any > and all offers. From bob31411 at msn.com Mon Mar 31 18:42:08 2008 From: bob31411 at msn.com (ROBERT CRABTREE) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:42:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks References: Message-ID: All, Thank all of you that responded so much. As usual, a lot of valuable information. The dbx that I used to originally make the tapes was the internal dbx on my cassette deck, so from the info that has been sent, that should be dbx type II. Again, many thanks. Bobby ----- Original Message ----- From: bob31411 at msn.com To: Naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: [naktalk] dbx Tapes and Naks Hello, I have mostly been a lurker for months, but I now have a couple of NAK's (Thanks Andy, for one of them). I have gained a wealth of info from all of you on Naktalk. On to my question. Hope it is not off-topic. I have numerous tapes that I had made several years ago with my TEAC Cassette Deck and I used dbx on all of them. I know that Naks don't use dbx. Is it possible to stick a standalone dbx decoder on the output of the Nak and decode the dbx tapes? I know that there are numerous dbx boxes out there and I did have one that I used with my Pioneer RT-909 when I had it. Would one decoder be better to use with tapes that were created with my TEAC than another? Were there different types of compression and expansion that dbx used like Dolby did with B and C? or is one dbx box pretty much like any other? Sorry for the novice questions. Thanks. Bobby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon Mar 31 19:47:43 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:47:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 8096-D CAPSTAN BELT "NAKTALK SPECIAL" Message-ID: <47F123BF.300@marrscommunications.com> HELLO TO ALL, TODAY IS THE LAST DAY OF THE NAKTALK SPECIAL! I HAVE ONLY RECEIVED 2 ORDERS ? HERE ARE THE DETAILS. __________________________________________________________________________ Since Naktalk was one of the reasons I decided to have the 8096-D produced, I want to make the following introductory offer to all members. This "special" will only be available through 3/31. THE OFFER: To Qualify, you must purchase a minimum of 5 belts. The maximum which may be purchased (at this time), is 10 per household. The $3.25 U.S. / $6.25 Worldwide shipping charge applies for (up to 10 pieces). Currently the deepest discount available is for 24 to 36 pieces at $19.96 each. From now through 3/31 the Naktalk "special" is $20.00 ea. Please do not wait to buy, thinking I will lower the price, it will not happen! (at least for a very long time). Remember, 5 piece minimum, 10 maximum. Retail customers come first. IF (which I doubt), I run short the retail customer gets theirs first. When I first appeared on Naktalk, I mentioned this belt, without much interest ? It's here, It works, enjoy ! Thanks everyone! Fred M. g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2008\2008-May.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu May 1 00:20:03 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:20:03 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Hello... and a CR-5A Problem Message-ID: <15100792.1209594003003.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It's all karma. Jeff Whittier sez if you don't use it it will fail sooner. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: "Andy." >Sent: Apr 29, 2008 10:59 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Hello... and a CR-5A Problem > >Thanks Andy and Tom, > Diagnosis of the problem was correct by both. And >Andy sent me the photo's with instructions on how to >apply the DeOxit. The Nak is working just fine now. >My follow-up questions: Is there an estimated >life span of this fix? Or how often will this occur? >And... Does it indicate the end of the life of the >reel >motor? I know very 'open' questions... but just >wondering. > > Thanks again, > > Andy. > > >> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:16:33 +0000 >> From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello... and a CR-5A Problem >> To: andyprach at yahoo.com > >> >> Hello, Andy - from another Andy! >> >> >From your description of the problem, it sounds >> like your CR-5A has an issue with its reel motor >> (the motor that actually drives the idler). >> >> NOTE: I am assuming that the pinch rollers are both >> clean and operate correctly, and that the capstan >> belt is the correct type and in good condition. >> >> The reel motor sounds like it has developed a "dead >> spot" on its commutator (the rotating internal >> contact). This could be due to wear, oxidation, or >> a buildup of carbon deposits. If the motor is >> excessively worn, replacement is necessary. >> >> But it might just be a bit dirty. I can send you >> (and anyone else who is interested) a series of >> photos, showing you how and where to spray DeOxit >> into the reel motor to clean it and restore >> operation. It's a simple procedure. >> >> Once again, I must point out that there is no >> guarantee that this will fix the problem. >> >> Let me know if you are interested. Best of Luck! >> >> >> *andy* >> > >> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:33:08 -0500 (GMT-05:00) >> From: Tom Brucker >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello... and a CR-5A Problem > >> >> Andy, >> My guess is a reel motor with a dead spot >> inhabits your CR-5. Try spraying DeOxit into the >> slots beside the 2 wire terminals. Quite often the >> motor will not respond to cleaning. Nice seller! >> tom brucker >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >From: "Andy." >> >Sent: Apr 27, 2008 3:14 PM >> >To: naktalk at naks.com >> >Subject: [naktalk] Hello... and a CR-5A Problem >> > >> > Hello fellow Nak owners! I have a CR-2A and a DR-3 >> >that I love so I went after a CR-5A on that famous >> >auction site that was described as in excellent >> >functioning condition. When I got the deck within >> few >> >seconds the tape would stop and a short part of the >> >tape would be exiting out of the shell. Seller sent >> me >> >a idler tire and instructions. I put the new tire >> on, >> >cleaned all surfaces the tire touches and put a >> >pinhead drop of lite oil on the tire shaft. Now, >> the >> >tape plays for more than a few seconds but stops >> >around counter number 800. Never making it past >> 900. >> >I've used numerous cassettes (all Maxell XL-II >> 90's) >> >prerecorded and new. Any ideas or suggestions? I >> read >> >thru the archives last night and this morning and >> >didn't see this unique problem mentioned. Thanks! >> > >> > >> > >> >____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a better friend, newshound, and >know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu May 1 00:23:43 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:23:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 Only Recording on one channel, need help! Message-ID: <20821256.1209594223028.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu May 1 00:51:34 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 In-Reply-To: <004501c8a9e2$5ab45590$89464354@jasona028a1a62> Message-ID: <872193.7739.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jason, Would you mind e-mailing me that cassette deck 1 service manual also? I have a CD1 and no manual. Thank you! Bob wotbob01 at yahoo.com Jason Stephens wrote: Hi Garry, I've emailed a .pdf of the Cassette Deck 1 Service Manual to your email address. Sorry but I can't offer any advice on the procedure as I've never had to do it. Good luck! Best regards, Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: Garry Saunders To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 11:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Hi everyone Could anyone give me some advice on how to change the belts on a cassette deck 1? Are there any deck 1 owners out there or am I alone? My previous post got no replies. Was it something I said lol? Garry --------------------------------- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. 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In-Reply-To: <005901c8aa8c$b1f7f5a0$6e00000a@corp.halex.com.au> References: <005901c8aa8c$b1f7f5a0$6e00000a@corp.halex.com.au> Message-ID: <8CA792E90FB12E0-A68-2AD9@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> If you notice they're all bid by low feedback bidders. Probably all friends of his or even himself. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Kulak To: Naktalk Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 2:37 am Subject: [naktalk] Hows this for value retenion? In this day and age,?one can?never ceased to be amazed as to the prices some Nakamichi's are fetching. ? Have a look at what this CR3A brought in a recently concluded auction. ? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330230502541&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=014 ? ? Is it a sign of the ever dwindling supply of "good" 3 head decks, or a couple of Ebay newbies on an ego trip? ? regards all, ? 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In this day and age, one can never ceased to be amazed as to the prices some Nakamichi's are fetching. Have a look at what this CR3A brought in a recently concluded auction. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330230502541&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=014 Is it a sign of the ever dwindling supply of "good" 3 head decks, or a couple of Ebay newbies on an ego trip? regards all, Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orders at pennysconstruction.com Thu May 1 03:45:46 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:45:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes References: <4551.1209520685@cableone.net> Message-ID: Well, that's a lot cheaper than the others the same site is offering. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reusing tapes > The link I sent wrapped to the next line. Here is the unit I was talking > about: > > http://www.datalinksales.com/degaussers/pf215.htm > > On Wed Apr 30 1:52 , "orders at pennysconstruction" sent: > >>That link doesn't seem to get me anywhere. Here is the cheapest unit on >>that >>web site. >>http://www.datalinksales.com/degaussers/pf250.htm >>Is that the one? >>Thanks Mike >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: mrm12000 at cableone.net> >>To: naktalk at naks.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:56 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reusing tapes >> >> >>> Thank you for all of the useful information on bulk erasing. One of the >>> issues with >>> buying a used unit off eBay, for instance, is not knowing the strength >>> of >>> what >>> you're buying (unless it's printed on the unit). Also, I would think >>> that >>> many >>> older units are pre-metal-tape and wouldn't be be strong enough to erase >>> them >>> completely. >>> >>> This Geneva unit is 2800 gauss, and it is supposedly suitable for metal >>> tapes: >>> >>> http://www.datalinksales.com/cgi-bin/shop/datstore.cgi? >>> user_action=detail&catalogno=PF-215 >>> >>> Regarding the Radio Shack models, one is supposedly suitable for erasing >>> metal >>> tapes, but the directions say you have to make 20 passes on each side! >>> >>> >>> On Tue Apr 29 5:06 , Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com> sent: >>> >>>>Well, my experience bulk erasing is from my work in pro audio. We >>>>always bulk erased tapes before reuse so that they were as "clean" >>>>magnetically as they were when new. This way the only factor was >>>>mechanical wear, determined by dropouts. So, 2-inch and smaller audio >>>>reel-to-reel tapes could therefore be reused up to about fifty times, >>>>cassettes about one hundred times, broadcast carts about one hundred >>>>times (then the cart was rebuilt), 1-inch and U-Matic video tapes >>>>about thirty times, and 2-inch (so-called "quadraplex") videotapes >>>>only about a dozen times. Those huge Ampex 2-inch VTRs were brutal on >>>>tapes! Usually, the procedure is to keep a count of how many times a >>>>tape was reused by putting a pencil dot for each reuse on its label. >>>> >>>>The bulk erasers we use are large countertop models, like my Gibson >>>>Girl, and it is strong enough for metal tapes as well as older >>>>formulations. Yes, Gibson Girl really is a brand name. I also have an >>>>old Robins that is good for cassettes and 1/4-inch reel-to-reel; these >>>>often show up on eBay. The handheld RadioShack, Realistic, Nortronics, >>>>and Benjamin units are acceptable, but not as good as true studio >>>>models: Robins, Gibson Girl, Fidelitone, Cinerama, Nagra, ITC, Gates, >>>>AudioLab, Weircliffe, Verity, Garner, TecNec TD3000, Geneva (Model >>>>PF-250 or PF-252 only). By the way, the Geneva models won't erase 8mm >>>>or DLT tapes so I'd be skeptical about its ability to erase metal >>>>cassettes. >>>> >>>>Look for a bulk eraser developing 3,000 Gauss or greater. If all >>>>you'll be doing is cassettes, you can get by with 2,500 Gauss, but I >>>>really think 3,000 Gauss is the minimum. My Gibson Girl bulk eraser is >>>>5,000 Gauss. Note though that Gauss field strength isn't the only >>>>thing to consider, how the field is focused is as important. The 3,000 >>>>Gauss models made by Geneva won't erase DLT, but my old 2,000 Gauss- >>>>strong Robins will erase a DLT (barely, but it still will erase it)! >>>>Honestly I think the Realistic and RadioShack models are garbage, >>>>Benjamin makes a few decent models, and Geneva is good but I think >>>>they are a bit overpriced new, but you can find them used at a good >>>>price. I'd avoid handheld bulk erasers entirely, even Verity's; >>>>handhelds are usually marginal quality. >>>> >>>>Bulk erasing tapes has been standard operating procedure industry-wide >>>>since the introduction of magnetic tape recorders. Bulk erasing does >>>>not hurt the tapes, and there is no such thing as a bulk eraser that >>>>is "too strong." >>>> >>>>Did you know that the final step in manufacturing blank tape before it >>>>is packaged is to bulk erase it on powerful table-sized automatic bulk >>>>erasers? When I toured the 3M "Scotch" magnetic recording tape >>>>factory in 1978, located in St. Paul, Minnesota if I recall correctly, >>>>I was astonished to find this out. Those huge erasers made quite a >>>>racket! >>>> >>>>A bulk tape eraser completely erases all audio, video and data signals >>>>from the tape. Merely re-recording magnetic media does not completely >>>>erase the signal. Only a bulk tape eraser can remove 100% of the >>>>signal, so degaussing magnetic tapes on a regular basis allows you to >>>>recycle your old tapes in a quick and effective manner. The widespread >>>>use of magnetic tape since the 1940s in the broadcast and recording >>>>industries has resulted in professionals striving to achieve higher >>>>quality and efficiency, while at the same time improving cost >>>>efficiency. Bulk erasing magnetic tapes using "deep erasure" created >>>>by powerful magnetic fields, means that previously-recorded signals >>>>can be eliminated completely from tapes, cassettes or cartridges. The >>>>resultant benefits are substantial: professional users of audio and >>>>video tapes achieve better yields and increased quality. Digital tape >>>>recordists (RDAT, ADAT, DASH, etc.) enjoy higher efficiency from >>>>considerably reduced error rates. Professional users improve their >>>>competitiveness by incorporating bulk erasure and reused tapes in >>>>their workflow. Professionals achieve considerable cost savings by >>>>being able to confidently reuse tapes that would otherwise have to be >>>>discarded because of quality or reliability issues. >>>> >>>>By the way you MUST bulk erase a digital tape before reuse if you want >>>>to get a reliable recording, especially RDAT and ADAT. Bulk erasure >>>>ensures that all the data and time code is gone. Bulk erasing >>>>eliminates mysterious pops and ticks that often plague RDAT, and are >>>>often mistaken as dropouts. >>>> >>>>When I bought my bulk eraser in 1976, Gibson Girl was one of the >>>>highest-end brands. Today, I'd recommend Verity, Audiolab or the >>>>TecNec TD3000. >>>> >>>>On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 PM, orders at pennysconstruction wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is very nice information. Thanks. >>>>> Do you guys think we could have a little more discussion about this? >>>>> What erasers work well? If you have good or bad experience with this >>>>> idea? Because I have always thought that it was frowned upon. I have >>>>> several hundred used tapes I don't want, so this would be useful >>>>> info for me. >>>>> Thanks Mike >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- Kermit Gray >>>>notarbene at kvglabs.com >>>>KVG Laboratories >>>>Equipment to Make Your Music Better >>>>16371 Lake Point Drive >>>>Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >>>>Telephone: 913-422-0957 >>>>Skype ID: triodelicacy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> > > > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From orders at pennysconstruction.com Thu May 1 04:41:20 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:41:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes References: <4551.1209520685@cableone.net> Message-ID: <405C2E91A91E4330AE4AB28D83C2C24C@number2> Here's a tutorial sort of. http://www.audio-restoration.com/erase.php Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reusing tapes > The link I sent wrapped to the next line. Here is the unit I was talking > about: > > http://www.datalinksales.com/degaussers/pf215.htm > > On Wed Apr 30 1:52 , "orders at pennysconstruction" sent: > >>That link doesn't seem to get me anywhere. Here is the cheapest unit on >>that >>web site. >>http://www.datalinksales.com/degaussers/pf250.htm >>Is that the one? >>Thanks Mike >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: mrm12000 at cableone.net> >>To: naktalk at naks.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:56 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reusing tapes >> >> >>> Thank you for all of the useful information on bulk erasing. One of the >>> issues with >>> buying a used unit off eBay, for instance, is not knowing the strength >>> of >>> what >>> you're buying (unless it's printed on the unit). Also, I would think >>> that >>> many >>> older units are pre-metal-tape and wouldn't be be strong enough to erase >>> them >>> completely. >>> >>> This Geneva unit is 2800 gauss, and it is supposedly suitable for metal >>> tapes: >>> >>> http://www.datalinksales.com/cgi-bin/shop/datstore.cgi? >>> user_action=detail&catalogno=PF-215 >>> >>> Regarding the Radio Shack models, one is supposedly suitable for erasing >>> metal >>> tapes, but the directions say you have to make 20 passes on each side! >>> >>> >>> On Tue Apr 29 5:06 , Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com> sent: >>> >>>>Well, my experience bulk erasing is from my work in pro audio. We >>>>always bulk erased tapes before reuse so that they were as "clean" >>>>magnetically as they were when new. This way the only factor was >>>>mechanical wear, determined by dropouts. So, 2-inch and smaller audio >>>>reel-to-reel tapes could therefore be reused up to about fifty times, >>>>cassettes about one hundred times, broadcast carts about one hundred >>>>times (then the cart was rebuilt), 1-inch and U-Matic video tapes >>>>about thirty times, and 2-inch (so-called "quadraplex") videotapes >>>>only about a dozen times. Those huge Ampex 2-inch VTRs were brutal on >>>>tapes! Usually, the procedure is to keep a count of how many times a >>>>tape was reused by putting a pencil dot for each reuse on its label. >>>> >>>>The bulk erasers we use are large countertop models, like my Gibson >>>>Girl, and it is strong enough for metal tapes as well as older >>>>formulations. Yes, Gibson Girl really is a brand name. I also have an >>>>old Robins that is good for cassettes and 1/4-inch reel-to-reel; these >>>>often show up on eBay. The handheld RadioShack, Realistic, Nortronics, >>>>and Benjamin units are acceptable, but not as good as true studio >>>>models: Robins, Gibson Girl, Fidelitone, Cinerama, Nagra, ITC, Gates, >>>>AudioLab, Weircliffe, Verity, Garner, TecNec TD3000, Geneva (Model >>>>PF-250 or PF-252 only). By the way, the Geneva models won't erase 8mm >>>>or DLT tapes so I'd be skeptical about its ability to erase metal >>>>cassettes. >>>> >>>>Look for a bulk eraser developing 3,000 Gauss or greater. If all >>>>you'll be doing is cassettes, you can get by with 2,500 Gauss, but I >>>>really think 3,000 Gauss is the minimum. My Gibson Girl bulk eraser is >>>>5,000 Gauss. Note though that Gauss field strength isn't the only >>>>thing to consider, how the field is focused is as important. The 3,000 >>>>Gauss models made by Geneva won't erase DLT, but my old 2,000 Gauss- >>>>strong Robins will erase a DLT (barely, but it still will erase it)! >>>>Honestly I think the Realistic and RadioShack models are garbage, >>>>Benjamin makes a few decent models, and Geneva is good but I think >>>>they are a bit overpriced new, but you can find them used at a good >>>>price. I'd avoid handheld bulk erasers entirely, even Verity's; >>>>handhelds are usually marginal quality. >>>> >>>>Bulk erasing tapes has been standard operating procedure industry-wide >>>>since the introduction of magnetic tape recorders. Bulk erasing does >>>>not hurt the tapes, and there is no such thing as a bulk eraser that >>>>is "too strong." >>>> >>>>Did you know that the final step in manufacturing blank tape before it >>>>is packaged is to bulk erase it on powerful table-sized automatic bulk >>>>erasers? When I toured the 3M "Scotch" magnetic recording tape >>>>factory in 1978, located in St. Paul, Minnesota if I recall correctly, >>>>I was astonished to find this out. Those huge erasers made quite a >>>>racket! >>>> >>>>A bulk tape eraser completely erases all audio, video and data signals >>>>from the tape. Merely re-recording magnetic media does not completely >>>>erase the signal. Only a bulk tape eraser can remove 100% of the >>>>signal, so degaussing magnetic tapes on a regular basis allows you to >>>>recycle your old tapes in a quick and effective manner. The widespread >>>>use of magnetic tape since the 1940s in the broadcast and recording >>>>industries has resulted in professionals striving to achieve higher >>>>quality and efficiency, while at the same time improving cost >>>>efficiency. Bulk erasing magnetic tapes using "deep erasure" created >>>>by powerful magnetic fields, means that previously-recorded signals >>>>can be eliminated completely from tapes, cassettes or cartridges. The >>>>resultant benefits are substantial: professional users of audio and >>>>video tapes achieve better yields and increased quality. Digital tape >>>>recordists (RDAT, ADAT, DASH, etc.) enjoy higher efficiency from >>>>considerably reduced error rates. Professional users improve their >>>>competitiveness by incorporating bulk erasure and reused tapes in >>>>their workflow. Professionals achieve considerable cost savings by >>>>being able to confidently reuse tapes that would otherwise have to be >>>>discarded because of quality or reliability issues. >>>> >>>>By the way you MUST bulk erase a digital tape before reuse if you want >>>>to get a reliable recording, especially RDAT and ADAT. Bulk erasure >>>>ensures that all the data and time code is gone. Bulk erasing >>>>eliminates mysterious pops and ticks that often plague RDAT, and are >>>>often mistaken as dropouts. >>>> >>>>When I bought my bulk eraser in 1976, Gibson Girl was one of the >>>>highest-end brands. Today, I'd recommend Verity, Audiolab or the >>>>TecNec TD3000. >>>> >>>>On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 PM, orders at pennysconstruction wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is very nice information. Thanks. >>>>> Do you guys think we could have a little more discussion about this? >>>>> What erasers work well? If you have good or bad experience with this >>>>> idea? Because I have always thought that it was frowned upon. I have >>>>> several hundred used tapes I don't want, so this would be useful >>>>> info for me. >>>>> Thanks Mike >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- Kermit Gray >>>>notarbene at kvglabs.com >>>>KVG Laboratories >>>>Equipment to Make Your Music Better >>>>16371 Lake Point Drive >>>>Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >>>>Telephone: 913-422-0957 >>>>Skype ID: triodelicacy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> > > > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu May 1 08:53:01 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 02:53:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hello... and a CR-5A Problem In-Reply-To: <4d7a408f0804300537q1843844bmcf721d12cc91c071@mail.gmail.com> References: <785131.90533.qm@web36507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4d7a408f0804300537q1843844bmcf721d12cc91c071@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <481968CD.1040808@rcn.com> Bob, are you sure the CR-5 even has a counter belt? I don't have the manual handy right now, but seem to remember an optical sensor that picks up right off the takeup hub. IME if the idler is OK, the best bet is a worn reel motor. YMMV. -- Ron bob forrest wrote: > Hi; > If it is not the reel motor, it may be the counter belt. > > I'm betting your counter belt (driven by the supply spindle) is glazed > and slipping. If so, this sends a signal to the logic that the end of > tape is reached and the logic cuts off the transport. > > I have had good results using isopropyl to clean the belt with a q > tip. It is cisable if you re remove the backing plate you removed to > chabge the idler tire. > > Hope this helps > > Bob > > On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Andy. > wrote: > > Hello fellow Nak owners! I have a CR-2A and a DR-3 > that I love so I went after a CR-5A on that famous > auction site that was described as in excellent > functioning condition. When I got the deck within few > seconds the tape would stop and a short part of the > tape would be exiting out of the shell. Seller sent me > a idler tire and instructions. I put the new tire on, > cleaned all surfaces the tire touches and put a > pinhead drop of lite oil on the tire shaft. Now, the > tape plays for more than a few seconds but stops > around counter number 800. Never making it past 900. > I've used numerous cassettes (all Maxell XL-II 90's) > prerecorded and new. Any ideas or suggestions? I read > thru the archives last night and this morning and > didn't see this unique problem mentioned. Thanks! > From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu May 1 09:00:19 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 03:00:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Reusing tapes In-Reply-To: <64720.92549.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <64720.92549.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48196A83.6050200@rcn.com> Kevin Fetner wrote: > Kermit's tutorial on bulk erasing was fantastic yes, > thanks Kermit! It's true about the Radio Shack model, > as it does take 20 passes on each side of a metal > cassette Type IV. Actually, it can take even more, the > unit will shut itself off with more than 20 passes and > then you WAIT for it to cool. You get what you pay for > there. I don't know what RS bulk eraser you have. Mine is their heavy duty model intended for 1/2" video cassettes.. It completely erases an audio metal cassette in one or two passes and cost far, far less than the sums you mentioned. -- Ron > However the commercial units mentioned usually > start at over two grand. Doing a goggle search, you > can find some re-manufactured units for $650+. As far > as finding some commercial used units on > ebay....unless you get lucky, they are most probably > faulty, who will repair them and at what cost? > > Kevin > > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:56:17 -0700 > From: "mrm12000 at cableone.net" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reusing tapes > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <2078.1209480977 at cableone.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thank you for all of the useful information on bulk > erasing. One of the > issues with > buying a used unit off eBay, for instance, is not > knowing the strength > of what > you're buying (unless it's printed on the unit). Also, > I would think > that many > older units are pre-metal-tape and wouldn't be be > strong enough to > erase them > completely. > > This Geneva unit is 2800 gauss, and it is supposedly > suitable for metal > tapes: > > http://www.datalinksales.com/cgi-bin/shop/datstore.cgi? > user_action=detail&catalogno=PF-215 > > Regarding the Radio Shack models, one is supposedly > suitable for > erasing metal > tapes, but the directions say you have to make 20 > passes on each side! > > From antonio.fico at gmail.com Thu May 1 20:59:09 2008 From: antonio.fico at gmail.com (Antonio) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 20:59:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 682xz doesn't record anymore! Message-ID: <481a1309.09c5660a.1524.ffff9980@mx.google.com> Hi guys, i hope some of you can help me. I have a 682xz that suddenly doesn't record anymore. It plays and erases perfectly but when I press record and I go into monitor mode I see that it's recording not the signal but only crackling sound. What can I do?? 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URL: From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Thu May 1 15:40:40 2008 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per Borgen) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:40:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Help! 628xz doesn't record anymore In-Reply-To: <4818d895.0ab6660a.2d92.1a7a@mx.google.com> References: <4818d895.0ab6660a.2d92.1a7a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6839b2c0805010640n64bdaf5bidbb0107c54460a83@mail.gmail.com> Antonio, Some of the experts of this group might chime in with other suggestions but from what I have read here your 682ZX might suffer from the so called "orange cap disease". Some of the vital capacitors on the pc boards dry out / crack and give up the spirit. Ben Stratford from this group sells complete sets of replacements caps for most (all?) Nakamichi models that can potentially develop this problem - if you do not want to compile the caps yourself, you can reach Ben at benstratford at aol.co.uk Best Regards, Per Antinio wrote: > Hi guys, > i hope some of you can help me. I have a 682xz that > suddenly doesn't record anymore. It plays and erases > perfectly but > when I press record and I go into monitor > mode I see that it's recording not the signal but only > crackling sound. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Thu May 1 15:22:34 2008 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 13:22:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Quality Bulk Eraser Prices Message-ID: <050120081322.13847.4819C41A0000884D000036172215586394CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> The TEAC Table Top Eraser I referred to, that I own, as Kermit says is a rebadged Nortronics, works excellent, and seems to have longer On Times than most of these cheap units such as Radio Shack, which I also own. I paid only $75.00 for the TEAC unit, and it was brand NOS. The company actually had 3 of them. So, I dont think one has to pay Thousands of dollars for an effective Bulk Eraser, even if new. I have seen these crazy several thousand dollar units, but I believe they are overkill for the Home Hobbiest. I also have a Robins unit, that works far better than the Radio Shack, I scored it off Ebay, for about $20.00 and its probably 30-40 years old, also very effective, like my TEAC. I dont believe there is much to go wrong with Bulk Erasers either, as Kermit stated. The only money I wasted, was on the Radio Shack Model, which is the Largest Bulk Eraser that they have sold, and it stinks. Good units are available on Ebay, for fair prices. Ray From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu May 1 15:16:08 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 06:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Reusing tape In-Reply-To: <200805011002.m41A16rK020157@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <410474.48426.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit, I did a search and found the TecNec for $389...we're getting closer to home.;-) I'd still love to find one the way you did at like a radio station. They sound pretty simple now, (like the hand held ones) and not mysteriously complicated to repair. This link given above by Mike, takes you to one a little cheaper, but still new. http://www.datalinksales.com/degaussers/pf250.htm I found one cheaper yet on ebay (used), but the owner can't find the gauss rating. I have no objection to buying used, just need to know what I'm buying. Kevin > Hi Kevin, > > > On Apr 30, 2008, at 8:18 AM, Kevin Fetner wrote: > > > However the commercial units mentioned usually > > start at over two grand. > > Commercial bulk eraser new prices start at only > about $300 for the > TecNec TD-3000 and similar units. > > > > Doing a goggle search, you > > can find some re-manufactured units for $650+. As > far > > as finding some commercial used units on > > ebay....unless you get lucky, they are most > probably > > faulty, who will repair them and at what cost? > > > > I bought my Gibson Girl (a commercial unit) used; it > was 8 years old > and owned by a radio station. It worked fine and > still works fine, now > that is is 40 years old. Bulk erasers are merely > electromagnets. I > have bought and sold studio and broadcast audio gear > as part of my > livelihood from 1976 until the year 2003. I've never > heard of a used > bulk eraser being defective except for very simple > things like a bad > power switch, missing fuse, or damaged power cord. > These are simple > repairs. Over the past twenty-plus years I've sold > dozens of > commercial bulk erasers. > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From russ at booksmythe.com Fri May 2 03:00:05 2008 From: russ at booksmythe.com (Russ Dollinger) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:00:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Message-ID: Hello, I have a CR-7A that was bought new, used just a few times, and then sat abandoned for almost 15 years (it had a jammed tape in it). Recently I got the jammed tape and got it to work again. Everything worked; however, it was a bit creaky at first. Almost like me. One problem that it has is that it is hesitant to play. Sometimes I have to push the play button several times. Sometimes I have rewind or fast forward first. It has been getting progressively worse. This morning it quit. There is no response to button pushing now. Almost like ... Any ideas? Russ From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri May 2 03:10:52 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 21:10:52 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 682xz doesn't record anymore! Message-ID: In a message dated 5/1/2008 5:06:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, antonio.fico at gmail.com writes: I have a 682xz that suddenly doesn't record anymore. It plays and erases perfectly but when I press record and I go into monitor mode I see that it's recording not the signal but only crackling sound. What can I do?? Might be the bias oscillator orange caps. If you don't want to fix it yourself, I would suggest having Willy Hermann look at it for you. He has re-capped two 680's for me. His email is - _willyherm at gmail.com_ (mailto:willyherm at gmail.com) He's in the SF Bay Area. Jeff W **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have a 682xz that suddenly doesn't record anymore. It plays and erases perfectly but when I press record and I go into monitor mode I see that it's recording not the signal but only crackling sound. ? What can I do?? ? Thanks ? Antonio ? ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Both channels record fine without the outboard unit. Now I have to try? cleaning those internal contacts and switches. It's probably still not the NR1. It's probably the relay contacts and/or the relays themselves. To test, hook jumper cables in in places of the NR100, try to record as if you were using the NR100: obviously you don't get noise reduction, but you will probably have the same issues as using the NR100 in terms of static. If that is the case it could also be the jacks that go to the external NR unit (i.e. the NR100), but that is less likely (although easy enough to work on you should check out).-kby = ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Per Borgen Inviato: giovedì 1 maggio 2008 15.41 A: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Oggetto: Re: [naktalk] Help! 628xz doesn't record anymore Antonio, Some of the experts of this group might chime in with other suggestions but from what I have read here your 682ZX might suffer from the so called "orange cap disease". Some of the vital capacitors on the pc boards dry out / crack and give up the spirit. Ben Stratford from this group sells complete sets of replacements caps for most (all?) Nakamichi models that can potentially develop this problem - if you do not want to compile the caps yourself, you can reach Ben at benstratford at aol.co.uk Best Regards, Per Antinio wrote: > Hi guys, > i hope some of you can help me. I have a 682xz that > suddenly doesn't record anymore. It plays and erases > perfectly but > when I press record and I go into monitor > mode I see that it's recording not the signal but only > crackling sound. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antonio.fico at gmail.com Fri May 2 08:36:14 2008 From: antonio.fico at gmail.com (Antonio) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:36:14 +0200 Subject: R: [naktalk] 682xz doesn't record anymore! In-Reply-To: <8CA7A2EAA972C20-11C0-1EB@webmail-da14.sysops.aol.com> References: <481a1309.09c5660a.1524.ffff9980@mx.google.com> <8CA7A2EAA972C20-11C0-1EB@webmail-da14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <481ab66f.05a0660a.0f2a.50aa@mx.google.com> Hi Ben, thank for your quick reply. I don’t have electrical knowledge but I have a friend of mine that can replace the broken caps..but The problem is that he doesn’t want to spend a week in testing all the caps! As we don’t have the electrical scheme. What he did to begin is to measure if in the bias circuit there was enough tension and the result is that there is! So he excluded a failure in those caps Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di benstratford at aol.co.uk Inviato: venerdì 2 maggio 2008 7.44 A: naktalk at naks.com Oggetto: Re: [naktalk] 682xz doesn't record anymore! Antonio, This sounds like a capacitor issue to me. Similar instances of this problem are most common in my experience on the 1000zxl, ZX-7 and 68x / 48x series decks according to my capacitor kit sales statistics. You may want to check these first. If you contact me directly, I can advise which parts are most likely to have failed. Rgds, Ben benstratford at aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Antonio To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 2 May 2008 6:59 am Subject: [naktalk] 682xz doesn't record anymore! Hi guys, i hope some of you can help me. I have a 682xz that suddenly doesn't record anymore. It plays and erases perfectly but when I press record and I go into monitor mode I see that it's recording not the signal but only crackling sound. What can I do?? Thanks Antonio ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antonio.fico at gmail.com Fri May 2 08:39:54 2008 From: antonio.fico at gmail.com (Antonio) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:39:54 +0200 Subject: R: [naktalk] 682xz doesn't record anymore! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <481ab74b.0bbf5e0a.1515.ffff9bd5@mx.google.com> But the strange thing is also that it erases perfectly so the bias frequency should be ok the problem is that it erases but records not the silence but a noisy sound that arrives almost at 0 db! Da: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] Per conto di Bansijeff at aol.com Inviato: venerdì 2 maggio 2008 3.11 A: naktalk at naks.com Oggetto: Re: [naktalk] 682xz doesn't record anymore! In a message dated 5/1/2008 5:06:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, antonio.fico at gmail.com writes: I have a 682xz that suddenly doesn't record anymore. It plays and erases perfectly but when I press record and I go into monitor mode I see that it's recording not the signal but only crackling sound. What can I do?? Might be the bias oscillator orange caps. If you don't want to fix it yourself, I would suggest having Willy Hermann look at it for you. He has re-capped two 680's for me. His email is - willyherm at gmail.com He's in the SF Bay Area. Jeff W _____ Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 2 15:58:31 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:58:31 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] 682xz doesn't record anymore! Message-ID: <5556617.1209736711146.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 2 16:02:07 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:02:07 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A "creaky old" Message-ID: <9079704.1209736927419.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ha ha! You made my morning. I'll guess the cam motor doesn't want to turn. If you remove the top cover, the cam motor is mounted horizontally on the machanism's right side. Look carefully for the white gears and give them a poke while pressing play. if the deck springs to life, clean the cam motor per Scott Johnson's pictorial on his web site. Link at Naks.com tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Russ Dollinger >Sent: May 1, 2008 8:00 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A > >Hello, > >I have a CR-7A that was bought new, used just a few times, and then >sat abandoned for almost 15 years (it had a jammed tape in it). > >Recently I got the jammed tape and got it to work again. Everything >worked; however, it was a bit creaky at first. Almost like me. > >One problem that it has is that it is hesitant to play. Sometimes I >have to push the play button several times. Sometimes I have rewind >or fast forward first. It has been getting progressively worse. This >morning it quit. There is no response to button pushing now. Almost >like ... > >Any ideas? > >Russ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Fri May 2 12:56:36 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 03:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] 682xz doesn't record anymore! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <110557.35343.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Because it erases - this is not the Bias Oscillator issue - however Willy should be able to quickly fix this as it may be related to record muting ( or unmuting)- Transistor issue probable Kannan Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 5/1/2008 5:06:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, antonio.fico at gmail.com writes: I have a 682xz that suddenly doesn't record anymore. It plays and erases perfectly but when I press record and I go into monitor mode I see that it's recording not the signal but only crackling sound. What can I do?? Might be the bias oscillator orange caps. If you don't want to fix it yourself, I would suggest having Willy Hermann look at it for you. He has re-capped two 680's for me. His email is - willyherm at gmail.com He's in the SF Bay Area. Jeff W --------------------------------- Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Fri May 2 11:53:59 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:53:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 Only Recording on one channel, need help! Message-ID: Hi Tom, Thanks for your feedback. I am selecting the right tape type (SX + 70us for TDK SA). Today I tried calibrating on a EX (EX + 120us for TDK FE) cassette, as per your suggestion, with only a slight imrovement in the Bias current. This time the meter lit up to the -10db mark with full clockwise trun of the Bias knob. There was no proble with the Level. Ever since I bought this deck I had not tried recording on it and the first time I found out about this problem was when I tried to calibrate the deck using Luis' test tapes. I managed to successfully align the Playback head with good results but when tried aligning the record head using 400Hz and 15KHz test tones, also provided by Luis, I could only get voltage on the Left channel. The voltmeter, however, did register a very small voltage on the Right channel but compared with the left channel it was only miniscule. Also, when recording the 15KHz test tone the voltmeter showed the frequency of the test tone on the Left channel to be 15KHz while on the Right channel it could barely register 1Khz (which also fluctuated between 500Hz and 1KHz) with a very little output voltage. After much thinking I still decided to align the recording head based only on the voltage readings on the Left channel, so aligned the head height and azimuth based only on that chanel. I only did it to see if it would bring the Right channel back to life. Your suggestion that the recording head azimuth could be way mis-aligned could be one of the problems, but don't you think that after aligning the recording head only on one wroking channel it should have aligned the non-working channel to some extent and shoud have shown at least some improvement? Best regards, ~Nadeem~ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:23:43 -0500From: hitech77 at earthlink.netTo: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] CR-4 Only Recording on one channel, need help! First, are you selecting the correct tape ttype EX, SX or ZX? Try an EX tape as it requires the least bias. Center the bias control and cal the level. If it is still off, the record head azimuth is way off. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Mercedes Benz Sent: Apr 30, 2008 8:06 AM To: NakTalk Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 Only Recording on one channel, need help! Hi Experts, I bought a CR-4 a couple of months ago from eBay. Everything works fine except that it only records on the Left channel and not the Right channel. Also, when I try to use the manual calibration available on this deck, I can calibrate the Level to 0db without any problem but cannot calibrate Bias to 0db. Upon calibrating the Bias, the meter only lights upto -20db max on a TDK SA cassette and that is at a maximum turn of the Bias knob. I am inclined to think that the Bias calibration problem could be caused by the deck not recording on one of the channels but I could be wrong. The playback quality of this deck is EXCELLENT which makes me want to keep it but cannot afford to spend too much on repair from B&W in the UK. I would appreciate if someone could help me out with their experience and guide me to fix this wonderful deck. Thanks & best regards,Nadeem Messenger's gone Mobile! Get it now! Hi Tech Service2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211hitech77 at earthlink.nethitech@bellsouth.net615-331-9241 _________________________________________________________________ Be a Hero and Win with Iron Man http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrm12000 at cableone.net Fri May 2 15:49:14 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 06:49:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Quality Bulk Eraser Prices Message-ID: <2010.1209736154@cableone.net> There are two new-in-the-box Geneva PF215 bulk erasers on eBay right now. One is currently at $9.99; it sells new for $89.95. http://cgi.ebay.com/GENEVA-PF215-1-VIDEO-AUDIO-TAPE-ERASER-BRAND- NEW_W0QQitemZ150242012436QQihZ005QQcategoryZ15000QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIt em On Thu May 1 13:22 , rayr0683 at comcast.net sent: >The TEAC Table Top Eraser I referred to, that I own, as Kermit says is a rebadged Nortronics, works excellent, and seems to have longer On Times than most of these cheap units such as Radio Shack, which I also own. I paid only $75.00 for the TEAC unit, and it was brand NOS. The company actually had 3 of them. So, I dont think one has to pay Thousands of dollars for an effective Bulk Eraser, even if new. I have seen these crazy several thousand dollar units, but I believe they are overkill for the Home Hobbiest. I also have a Robins unit, that works far better than the Radio Shack, I scored it off Ebay, for about $20.00 and its probably 30-40 years old, also very effective, like my TEAC. I dont believe there is much to go wrong with Bulk Erasers either, as Kermit stated. The only money I wasted, was on the Radio Shack Model, which is the Largest Bulk Eraser that they have sold, and it stinks. Good units are available on Ebay, for fair prices. > > Ray >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri May 2 16:06:03 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 07:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Maxell Type II tapes In-Reply-To: <200805021004.m42A1ZcZ015141@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <506858.10790.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Jeff, Apparently you're seeing something that we are not; did all that and it shows Maxell Type II for $1.18...not XLII-S?? Kevin Message: 13 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:05:40 EDT From: Bansijeff at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] Maxell Type II tapes To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In a message dated 4/30/2008 12:15:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, EL34GUY writes: I cant actually get that link to work Jeff, It goes there but maybe Im missing on how to buy. I do have a google account and its in my wish list _http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Maxell+XLII-S&um=1_ (http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Maxell+XLII-S&um=1) Cut and paste that into your browser. When you get to the page, click on the blue highlighted listing for Maxell XLII-S. When it goes to the business page, click on the icon for "audio tape." They're now selling for even less - $1.18 each. OR try this - _http://www.samsdigitaldiscounts.com/cat.cfm/hurl/Audio-Tape_ (http://www.samsdigitaldiscounts.com/cat.cfm/hurl/Audio-Tape) Jeff W ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri May 2 16:19:04 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 07:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] [naktal] Re: Reusing tapes In-Reply-To: <200805021004.m42A1ZcZ015141@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <373625.42281.qm@web65604.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Ron, I have the RS 44-233A "High Power" Video/Audio bulk eraser. If you have this same unit and are making only two passes with good results then; you are either perpetually drunk/stoned, or you have a much different unit. Even the directions say to make 20 passes on each side of metal cassettes. There isn't much to argue on this one, as all one has to do is pop the tape back in and listen for the artifacts still present. Kevin Message: 15 Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 03:00:19 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Reusing tapes To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <48196A83.6050200 at rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Kevin Fetner wrote: > Kermit's tutorial on bulk erasing was fantastic yes, > thanks Kermit! It's true about the Radio Shack model, > as it does take 20 passes on each side of a metal > cassette Type IV. Actually, it can take even more, the > unit will shut itself off with more than 20 passes and > then you WAIT for it to cool. You get what you pay for > there. I don't know what RS bulk eraser you have. Mine is their heavy duty model intended for 1/2" video cassettes.. It completely erases an audio metal cassette in one or two passes and cost far, far less than the sums you mentioned. -- Ron ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From u900 at oppdal.com Fri May 2 20:20:56 2008 From: u900 at oppdal.com (clf) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 20:20:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MR1 belt Message-ID: <481B5B88.9000109@oppdal.com> Hei all, My MR1 play back was very erratic and the stopped. Opening it up and looking in side I saw the belt from the drive wheel was wandering all over the other wheel and then just falling off. If I held the belt in place ... centered on the other wheel it played but not the right speed . Thats just friction from the screw driver Question: Should this belt be so loose, is this a sign that there is maybe another problem. Thanks from Norway for ant answers Chris ... Festa From luis at peromarta.org Sat May 3 09:25:46 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 09:25:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A "creaky old" In-Reply-To: <9079704.1209736927419.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9079704.1209736927419.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <481C137A.2030404@peromarta.org> And Andy's repair here: http://www.peromarta.org/naks/cr7_control_motor.html Best rgds, LP. Tom Brucker escribió: > Ha ha! You made my morning. > I'll guess the cam motor doesn't want to turn. If you remove the top cover, the cam motor is mounted horizontally on the machanism's right side. Look carefully for the white gears and give them a poke while pressing play. if the deck springs to life, clean the cam motor per Scott Johnson's pictorial on his web site. Link at Naks.com > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Russ Dollinger >> Sent: May 1, 2008 8:00 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A >> >> Hello, >> >> I have a CR-7A that was bought new, used just a few times, and then >> sat abandoned for almost 15 years (it had a jammed tape in it). >> >> Recently I got the jammed tape and got it to work again. Everything >> worked; however, it was a bit creaky at first. Almost like me. >> >> One problem that it has is that it is hesitant to play. Sometimes I >> have to push the play button several times. Sometimes I have rewind >> or fast forward first. It has been getting progressively worse. This >> morning it quit. There is no response to button pushing now. Almost >> like ... >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Russ >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From pdb at mit.bolignet.dk Sat May 3 13:37:26 2008 From: pdb at mit.bolignet.dk (Per) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 13:37:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Help! 628xz doesn't record anymore References: <4818d895.0ab6660a.2d92.1a7a@mx.google.com><6839b2c0805010640n64bdaf5bidbb0107c54460a83@mail.gmail.com> <481ab559.08b6660a.0db4.fffffbed@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <004c01c8ad12$145dfe60$b207010a@hurtignok> Antonio, Here is a link to a scan of the 682ZX servicemanual http://download.naks.com/manuals/service/682ZX_ServiceManual-malformed_schematics.pdf Please note it states "malformed schematics" so you might need a better copy. Good luck. Best Regards, Per Antonio wrote ...But at this point I really need the electrical scheme as how can I identify the broken one... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orders at pennysconstruction.com Sat May 3 14:20:27 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 07:20:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Quality Bulk Eraser Prices References: <2010.1209736154@cableone.net> Message-ID: I saw two like that also. I bid $75 with shipping on one of the PF250's but lost. I do have a question. Are the hand held ones good as the bench top models? and are they as much work, like does it take longer. Could you put a tape on the bench top model and walk away. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Quality Bulk Eraser Prices > There are two new-in-the-box Geneva PF215 bulk erasers on eBay right now. > One is > currently at $9.99; it sells new for $89.95. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/GENEVA-PF215-1-VIDEO-AUDIO-TAPE-ERASER-BRAND- > NEW_W0QQitemZ150242012436QQihZ005QQcategoryZ15000QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIt > em > > > On Thu May 1 13:22 , rayr0683 at comcast.net sent: > >>The TEAC Table Top Eraser I referred to, that I own, as Kermit says is a >>rebadged > Nortronics, works excellent, and seems to have longer On Times than most > of these > cheap units such as Radio Shack, which I also own. I paid only $75.00 for > the TEAC > unit, and it was brand NOS. The company actually had 3 of them. So, I > dont think > one has to pay Thousands of dollars for an effective Bulk Eraser, even if > new. I > have seen these crazy several thousand dollar units, but I believe they > are > overkill for the Home Hobbiest. I also have a Robins unit, that works far > better > than the Radio Shack, I scored it off Ebay, for about $20.00 and its > probably 30-40 > years old, also very effective, like my TEAC. I dont believe there is > much to go > wrong with Bulk Erasers either, as Kermit stated. The only money I wasted, > was on > the Radio Shack Model, which is the Largest Bulk Eraser that they have > sold, and it > stinks. Good units are available on Ebay, for fair prices. >> >> Ray >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From Bansijeff at aol.com Sat May 3 17:15:25 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 11:15:25 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Maxell Type II tapes Message-ID: In a message dated 5/3/2008 12:03:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shoeihell at yahoo.com writes: Jeff, Apparently you're seeing something that we are not; did all that and it shows Maxell Type II for $1.18...not XLII-S?? Kevin When I saw the original posting for XLII-S 90's on Naktalk, I thought I'd Google them to see if they were still for sale in bulk on line. I thought the site I which popped up and I recommended was an active link. You and several other people have told me it isn't, so I've gone back and done some more Googling. There still are some XLII-S's left, but they're not 90's. XLII-90 is still in manufacture, of course. If you're into XLII-S 90, the ones offered for sale on Naktalk are right about in the middle of the range for the discontinued Japanese-made ones. Recently on eBay, some have gone for more, and some have gone for less. Seems like about the right price to me. Jeff W **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. 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The Dolby B and Out positions work just fine. I guess that's good news -- the NR-100 is probably OK. Thanks to everyone for input in figuring out the issues with my deck. Marc ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From boytchik1 at hotmail.com Sun May 4 16:56:59 2008 From: boytchik1 at hotmail.com (Gutte Neshome) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 10:56:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hows this for value retenion? In-Reply-To: <8CA792E90FB12E0-A68-2AD9@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> References: <005901c8aa8c$b1f7f5a0$6e00000a@corp.halex.com.au> <8CA792E90FB12E0-A68-2AD9@FWM-D26.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: and you know that how? To: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Hows this for value retenion?Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:10:50 -0400From: badanth at aim.comIf you notice they're all bid by low feedback bidders. Probably all friends of his or even himself. -----Original Message-----From: Steve Kulak To: Naktalk Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 2:37 amSubject: [naktalk] Hows this for value retenion? In this day and age, one can never ceased to be amazed as to the prices some Nakamichi's are fetching. Have a look at what this CR3A brought in a recently concluded auction. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330230502541&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=014 Is it a sign of the ever dwindling supply of "good" 3 head decks, or a couple of Ebay newbies on an ego trip? regards all, Steve ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. _________________________________________________________________ Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. http://www.windowsvista.com/SP1?WT.mc_id=hotmailvistasp1banner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I haven't tried either one yet. *andy* From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Sun May 4 14:09:42 2008 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 05:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Maxell Type II tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <773560.57310.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenjohnthomas at prodigy.net Sun May 4 20:51:34 2008 From: karenjohnthomas at prodigy.net (John Thomas) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:51:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Books On Tape Cassette of Course Message-ID: <004c01c8ae17$e28cfab0$6401a8c0@johnp3> Hello All! I have about 100 Books On Tape and I am trying to convert them to WAV files to put on CD's and also make mp3's for my iPod type players. It is a pain in the butt to use a one deck cassette player. A two deck is so much better! BUT I am having trouble finding one that plays both tapes both sides and stops. I have a Sony Yes I know an inferior product TC-WE475 that plays both tapes until the pigs fly or I manually stop the play. That makes capturing to the computer a little time consuming. I have a program that will slit the large 2 cassette wav file into smaller sections and then I find the repeat sections and delete. Any suggestions? If you have an older but resent refurbish unit I would love to buy it. A new player that I purchased from circuit city was so old that the rubber drive bands were bad. On eBay I found a carousel player that held 5 cassettes but it died and the local cassette repair man said it was bad and could not be repaired. I tried and made a mess of it. I also could not find one of the drive bands. Also on eBay I found one that was a 10 tape cassette "slider" that worked for a while but the belts on it were worn out. I would be happy to pay some one that could refurbish an extended extra long player. Total budget would be $300.00 plus shipping. The machine would not have to have recording capability nor would the case or look need to be very good. Just the heart of the player to be in great shape. Some one with ingenuity could even make one out of parts on a plywood board. It just has to play in order and stop playing at the last tape. I am appealing to you guys that have rebuilt a tape drive motor. Thanks and BlueSkies John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 145 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun May 4 19:50:18 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 13:50:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MR1 belt In-Reply-To: <481B5B88.9000109@oppdal.com> References: <481B5B88.9000109@oppdal.com> Message-ID: <481DF75A.9090003@rcn.com> clf wrote: > Hei all, > > My MR1 play back was very erratic and the stopped. Opening it up and > looking in side I saw the belt from the drive wheel was wandering all > over the other wheel and then just falling off. If I held the belt in > place ... centered on the other wheel it played but not the right speed > . Thats just friction from the screw driver > > Question: Should this belt be so loose, is this a sign that there is > maybe another problem. > > Thanks from Norway for ant answers > > Chris ... Festa No, the belt should be slightly tight. Try cleaning the pulley surfaces and the belt really well. Sometimes, turning the belt over helps. If it keeps falling off after that, it should be replaced. -- Ron From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun May 4 23:57:37 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 17:57:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5 Service manaul? Message-ID: <481E3151.3000808@rcn.com> I wonder if anyone has the CR-5 service manual laying around? Complete manual will be ideal but even just the schematic will be greatly appreciated. I'll buy, copy or whatever. Please let me know, -- Ron From notarbene at kvglabs.com Mon May 5 02:41:31 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:41:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil.............. In-Reply-To: <050420081157.8924.481DA4BF000F052D000022DC22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <050420081157.8924.481DA4BF000F052D000022DC22165548869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <504669BB-837D-4E47-BBBB-F49644DD9202@kvglabs.com> I have the very Robins you refer to. Good for 1/4-inch reel-to-reel, it struggles but can do VHS and Beta (erase the videocassette once then flip over and repeat). No-go on U-Matic. On May 4, 2008, at 6:57 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > All this talk about bulk erasers, and what happens? > > I go to a yard sale around the corner from my house, and find TWO of > them. > > One is the dreaded Radio Shack model (No. 44-210), still in the > original box, with instruction sheet. > > The other is a Robins TM-77, designed for reel-to-reel tapes. > > I know about the Radio Shack one, but I would be interested to hear > opinions about the Robins model. I haven't tried either one yet. > > > *andy* > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From EL34GUY at aol.com Mon May 5 02:51:43 2008 From: EL34GUY at aol.com (EL34GUY at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 20:51:43 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: Maxell Type II tapes Message-ID: Heck thats too bad,, Mark **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kulak at ozemail.com.au Mon May 5 03:12:20 2008 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:12:20 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Books On Tape Cassette of Course References: <004c01c8ae17$e28cfab0$6401a8c0@johnp3> Message-ID: <01f501c8ae4d$124f2270$6e00000a@corp.halex.com.au> John, Sounds like your looking for a Pioneer CT-M6R deck, which is a 6 tape changer, with auto reverse nd serial play. Quite often listed on Ebay. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: John Thomas To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] Books On Tape Cassette of Course Hello All! I have about 100 Books On Tape and I am trying to convert them to WAV files to put on CD's and also make mp3's for my iPod type players. It is a pain in the butt to use a one deck cassette player. A two deck is so much better! BUT I am having trouble finding one that plays both tapes both sides and stops. I have a Sony Yes I know an inferior product TC-WE475 that plays both tapes until the pigs fly or I manually stop the play. That makes capturing to the computer a little time consuming. I have a program that will slit the large 2 cassette wav file into smaller sections and then I find the repeat sections and delete. Any suggestions? If you have an older but resent refurbish unit I would love to buy it. A new player that I purchased from circuit city was so old that the rubber drive bands were bad. On eBay I found a carousel player that held 5 cassettes but it died and the local cassette repair man said it was bad and could not be repaired. I tried and made a mess of it. I also could not find one of the drive bands. Also on eBay I found one that was a 10 tape cassette "slider" that worked for a while but the belts on it were worn out. I would be happy to pay some one that could refurbish an extended extra long player. Total budget would be $300.00 plus shipping. The machine would not have to have recording capability nor would the case or look need to be very good. Just the heart of the player to be in great shape. Some one with ingenuity could even make one out of parts on a plywood board. It just has to play in order and stop playing at the last tape. I am appealing to you guys that have rebuilt a tape drive motor. 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Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 145 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon May 5 04:07:59 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 02:07:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery Message-ID: <050520080207.10957.481E6BFF00068E6C00002ACD22155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my then-recently-acquired vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some vintage KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs. The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always dangerous)... I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you who don't know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier technology that was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed from Threshold, the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the time. The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, Class A amps are the "purest" form of amplification because the output signal is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input signal...only louder, of course. Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided to do a head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the vintage KLH pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio model 7A monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really deserving of "audiophile" status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes speakers that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't sound bad, either. After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly shocked. The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but MUCH, MUCH better. There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's sound was warm and powerful, with excellent control over the upper frequencies. In my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or treble with no real character to it and merely lots of sibilance instead, is a hallmark of a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. When bad treble is present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate it. The sound of the Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I got a sense that the different instruments were really occupying their own places in the stereo image. In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very clinical. It's as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy, and it overshot the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. I never got the sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The Nakamichi was pretty good with tape sources, since its "clinical" sound helped to combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but in just about every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the Pioneer. The Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it clarity and warmth, whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be "doing its job", with no real "feeling" (for lack of a better word). Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I listen to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and for movies it sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie theater low-end. I suppose that the increased output and headroom does make a difference in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does make a difference. But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH difference there is between the two Nakamichi receivers--and how much better the Pioneer sounds than either of them. In all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I didn't want preferential tone settings to color my impression. I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference in the sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I DID hear a difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer. And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a Pioneer SX-750 that is better still! If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer when it comes to cassette decks! :-) *andy* From mrm12000 at cableone.net Mon May 5 05:34:13 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 20:34:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Talkin' tape Message-ID: <2883.1209958453@cableone.net> All of the talk about bulk erasers has me wondering about opinions on the tapes to look for at garage and estate sales, where they can often be found dirt cheap. Grab any metal tapes, yes, but what about Cr02? I remember years ago thinking Sony UX was best, followed by TDK SA then Maxell XLII. How about TDK SA-X and Maxell XLII- S? Memorex HBS II and TEAC CRC? What are your preferences? Marc ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From pharmboy at cruzio.com Mon May 5 09:23:54 2008 From: pharmboy at cruzio.com (Pharmboy) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 00:23:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Gently used cassette tapes Message-ID: <20080505071404.M25837@cruzio.com> Selling the last of my extensive live tape collection. Value is in the media. I'm down to about 400 cassette tapes This what i got: TDK SA-X 90min TDK SA 90 Maxell XLII-S 90min Maxell XLII 90min and 100min $1-2 each depending on type and quantity wanted Will accept less for XLII 90 And about 20 Metal - Type IV tapes of assorted brands - all 90min All tapes recorded on once and played back at most 4 to 5 times only in clean high end home decks. Stored in smoke free, temperature and humidity controlled environment. All tapes are in near mint or excellent condition. All tapes were made in Japan. -david From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Mon May 5 13:49:47 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 11:49:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil.............. Message-ID: <050520081149.1829.481EF45B000425B00000072522155612649C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Kermit: Based on your comments, I can assume that the Robins TM-77 bulk eraser will do a good job on cassettes, correct? *andy* From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon May 5 15:38:20 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 08:38:20 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 Only Recording on one channel, need help! Message-ID: <498425.1209994700219.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Mon May 5 15:39:43 2008 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 13:39:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Robins Bulk Eraser Message-ID: <050520081339.2864.481F0E1F000BBECB00000B302215553894CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> Hi Andy, I have a Robins Bulk eraser, as well as the Radio Shack Big Model(dreaded indeed).....along with a TEAC Table Top, and several other Vintage Large Bulk Erasers. I am not sure if my Robins Eraser is the same Model as yours, but it works excellrnt, far better than the Radio Shack. I scored the Robins for a nice price on Ebay, and had to do a little soldering Inside of it, but now its working excellent. Robins made some very good stuff, in fact, Robins is the Company Name that proceeds all Gibson Girl Accessories, including Tape Splicers. The Robins Gibson Girl Tape Splicers are excellent, very easy to use, but I use it for my Reel to Reel Tapes. The Bulk Eraser by Robins is equally good. Great Score there, good luck....Ray From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon May 5 19:19:17 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 13:19:17 EDT Subject: [naktalk] MR1 belt Message-ID: In a message dated 5/4/2008 5:27:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: My MR1 play back was very erratic and the stopped. Opening it up and looking in side I saw the belt from the drive wheel was wandering all over the other wheel and then just falling off. If I held the belt in place ... centered on the other wheel it played but not the right speed . Thats just friction from the screw driver Question: Should this belt be so loose, is this a sign that there is maybe another problem. Thanks from Norway for ant answers To anybody who needs an MR-1 belt (or BX-300, or CR 4-5-7) - I've still got a few left over from my belt tests. Absolutely new, unmounted, never been used. I'll sell them for $8 each Paypal, plus $3 for the tape tension belt and plus $1 for an idler tire. They were tested to perform at specs on a CR-4. Price includes shipping anywhere in the world. Jeff Whittier **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon May 5 19:23:01 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 13:23:01 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Hows this for value retenion? Message-ID: In a message dated 5/4/2008 5:25:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, boytchik1 at hotmail.com writes: and you know that how? If you notice they're all bid by low feedback bidders. Probably all friends of his or even himself. What the 'low feedback" comment is referring to is a common practice on eBay - shill bidding. By bidding on one's own auctions, a crooked seller can drive the price up. Most shill accounts have low feedback, unless the seller has a network of accomplices or bogus accounts ready and in place to make bids which will never be honored. I have seen many Naks sold in such shill bidding only to reappear for sale when the crooked seller thinks the coast is clear. Jeff W **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From WestCoastJagLTD at msn.com Mon May 5 19:37:47 2008 From: WestCoastJagLTD at msn.com (TSL) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 10:37:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Books On Tape Cassette of Course References: <004c01c8ae17$e28cfab0$6401a8c0@johnp3> Message-ID: Converting audiobooks from tape to digital is something I do a great deal of and the only reason I own tape decks at all. If I may, I suggest that you pick up from ebay 2 Nakamichi RX303s or RX505s (While a good deal cheaper and more readily available, RX202s have the old troublesome output sliders - potentiometers - that can make output normalization for conversion a real headache if they aren't in near perfect condition). Depending upon how many pcs/macs you have any any network (and for conversion purposes a cheap P4 laptop with a 2.4G chip would goes far) you can then 'double-team' the tapes. Set them and walk away for an hour and a half. The BEST part about the Nak RX's is that they flip the tape around for you automatically. Granted, they are single decks, but they are the best you will get your hands on for your purposes. Audiobooks on tape are themselves an old problematic issue. Decks that auto-reverse without moving the cassette itself have head alignment issues that could give you a whole side of garble for the conversion. Even if the beginning sounded fine upon test. Consumer multiple-tape decks, as you have clearly experienced, are a troublesome animal at best. They are IMNSHO a gimmick, built back when CD's were starting to hit the market - an attempt (failed) at keeping in the game. While it is my understanding that the majority of folks on this site are most of them analogue purists for music's sake (which I shall not debate as it is clear to me also), audiobooks are a different game with different focus. Beyond that advice, I've also done plenty of research over the years regarding software for: conversions, editing, and forensics; and best practices for what type of digital audio files and bit-rates etc work best for the conversion itself versus the format for keeping and storing them on hard drives. Let me know if I may be of any service. Know that there are many variables to consider if you want to make a habit of converting audiobooks from tape to digital. Cheers. TSL ----- Original Message ----- From: John Thomas To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 11:51 Subject: [naktalk] Books On Tape Cassette of Course Hello All! I have about 100 Books On Tape and I am trying to convert them to WAV files to put on CD's and also make mp3's for my iPod type players. It is a pain in the butt to use a one deck cassette player. A two deck is so much better! BUT I am having trouble finding one that plays both tapes both sides and stops. I have a Sony Yes I know an inferior product TC-WE475 that plays both tapes until the pigs fly or I manually stop the play. That makes capturing to the computer a little time consuming. I have a program that will slit the large 2 cassette wav file into smaller sections and then I find the repeat sections and delete. Any suggestions? If you have an older but resent refurbish unit I would love to buy it. A new player that I purchased from circuit city was so old that the rubber drive bands were bad. On eBay I found a carousel player that held 5 cassettes but it died and the local cassette repair man said it was bad and could not be repaired. I tried and made a mess of it. I also could not find one of the drive bands. Also on eBay I found one that was a 10 tape cassette "slider" that worked for a while but the belts on it were worn out. I would be happy to pay some one that could refurbish an extended extra long player. Total budget would be $300.00 plus shipping. The machine would not have to have recording capability nor would the case or look need to be very good. Just the heart of the player to be in great shape. Some one with ingenuity could even make one out of parts on a plywood board. It just has to play in order and stop playing at the last tape. I am appealing to you guys that have rebuilt a tape drive motor. Thanks and BlueSkies John ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 145 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rjkent at comcast.net Mon May 5 22:34:13 2008 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 13:34:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Naktalk Digest, Vol 63, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: <200805051000.m45A0co2000645@zxe.naks.com> References: <200805051000.m45A0co2000645@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <000c01c8aeef$61ed7d70$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Ron, I have it scanned as JPGs, and converted into a gigantic PDF on CD that I can mail to you if you email me with your address. There is a slight amount of print thru because I scanned it from an original, and Nakamichi used fairly thin paper, but it is perfectly legible. I can include the individual JPGs also...it all fits on one CD. Robert Kent Ron wrote: >I wonder if anyone has the CR-5 service manual >laying around? Complete manual will be ideal but >even just the schematic will be greatly >appreciated. >I'll buy, copy or whatever. Please let me know, >-- Ron From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue May 6 02:31:00 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:31:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil.............. In-Reply-To: <050520081149.1829.481EF45B000425B00000072522155612649C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <050520081149.1829.481EF45B000425B00000072522155612649C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5FB420B5-3C4A-4013-8EE2-B3AD772BC012@kvglabs.com> Yes, it should although I've ne'er tried it with metal cassettes. On May 5, 2008, at 6:49 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > Kermit: > > Based on your comments, I can assume that the Robins TM-77 bulk > eraser will do a good job on cassettes, correct? > > > *andy* -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue May 6 03:31:50 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:31:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <050520080207.10957.481E6BFF00068E6C00002ACD22155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <050520080207.10957.481E6BFF00068E6C00002ACD22155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8E5A89BB-76A0-49F5-AE61-19E9C6C9F8BD@kvglabs.com> Hey Andy, As a former Pioneer dealer, you made my day! (Sold Nakamichi too, albeit briefly.) Audio equipment advertisers have over-used and misused the term "Class A" over the years and have promulgated a myth based on the generalization that Class A is the best sound around. By the way, only some theories of amplifier design describe Class A as the best sound, other theories demonstrate Class B amplifiers as theoretically superior because of increased efficiency that allows the implementation of greater inverse feedback without ill effect. Class A amplifiers are biased to conduct a signal for the entire cycle, a Class B amplifier conducts a signal for only half the cycle and a Class C amplifier conducts a signal only on the peaks. Class A is the least efficient, Class C the most, but Class C is found only in radio transmitters. If an amplifier is operating push-pull it cannot be pure Class A, as each device in the pair conducts only half the wave form, even if each device in the push-pull pair is itself biased as Class A. Confused? Don't feel badly, many professionals get this distinction confused. Most push pull amplifiers are biased between Classes A and B, and are thus designated Class AB. You will find considerable disagreement on these points, but only from advertisers, blow hards, egotists, guys who love to argue for the sake of arguing (or to be the center of attention) and beginners. The only determinants of audio amplifier quality are the designer's skill, component quality and the designers' design choices. Some of the best amplifiers I've heard have been Class A (a particular Thordarson comes to mind) whiled some of the worst amplifiers I've heard are also Class A. The finest amplifier I've ever heard was a one- of-a-kind Westrex theater amplifier -- it was Class B! Please as me for a list of my favorite power amplifiers because my amplifier designs are my favorites, with the exception of a few Westrex, Thordarson, McIntosh, and Crown models. The STASIS isn't a true class A because it is a push-pull (actually Class AB), although I believe its output devices are biased much closer to Class A than to Class B. The sterility you are perceiving in the STASIS is likely the result of a high degree of inverse feedback applied to the amplifier. There was a design fad for too many years to designing an amplifier that had extreme gain, was biased "hot" (closer to Class A than Class B) then had massive amounts of inverse feedback applied. This result in an amplifier with quite impressive specs, that was dead quiet and that had magnificent square wave response on an oscilloscope -- but to many listeners these amplifiers sound harsh, sterile, critical and fatiguing. For the sake of balance, some listeners love these very same amplifiers and are blown away but the clarity, speed, harmonic purity, incredible detail and extremely low distortion. Both points of view are equally valid, and merely reflect the tastes of the individual listener. Unfortunately, some who express an opinion on amplifier sound put forth their opinions as facts, and give themselves pretentious labels (like "scientific" or "objectivist") while seeking to diminish the opinions differing from theirs as "subjective." Such persons merely distract from real issues while demonstrating both their egos and their non-rigorous minds. Hearing is one of the five human senses, and as such is always subjective, so being labelled as subjective is irrelevant; it comes under the heading of, "Yes, and so what? We all are!" what I love most about audio is that no matter what your equipment sounds like, someone will like its sound! there's room for every conceivable sound, every technology and every approach! It is one of the few fields of endeavor where truly there is no right or wrong, no one "best" (another invention of marketers and egotists). On May 4, 2008, at 9:07 PM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my then-recently-acquired > vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some vintage > KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs. > > The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always > dangerous)... > > I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you who > don't know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier technology > that was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed from > Threshold, the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the time. > The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, Class A > amps are the "purest" form of amplification because the output > signal is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input > signal...only louder, of course. > > Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided to do a > head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. > > I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the vintage > KLH pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio model 7A > monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really deserving of > "audiophile" status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes speakers > that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't sound > bad, either. > > After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly shocked. > > The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but MUCH, > MUCH better. There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's sound > was warm and powerful, with excellent control over the upper > frequencies. In my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or treble > with no real character to it and merely lots of sibilance instead, > is a hallmark of a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. When > bad treble is present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate it. > The sound of the Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I got a > sense that the different instruments were really occupying their own > places in the stereo image. > > In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very clinical. > It's as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy, and it > overshot the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. I never > got the sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The Nakamichi > was pretty good with tape sources, since its "clinical" sound helped > to combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but in just > about every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the Pioneer. > The Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it clarity and > warmth, whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be "doing its job", > with no real "feeling" (for lack of a better word). > > Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I > listen to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and for > movies it sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie theater > low-end. I suppose that the increased output and headroom does make > a difference in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does make a > difference. But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH > difference there is between the two Nakamichi receivers--and how > much better the Pioneer sounds than either of them. > > In all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I didn't > want preferential tone settings to color my impression. > > I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference in the > sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I DID hear > a difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer. > > And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a Pioneer > SX-750 that is better still! > > If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer when > it comes to cassette decks! :-) > > > *andy* > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue May 6 05:41:45 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 03:41:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil.............. In-Reply-To: <5FB420B5-3C4A-4013-8EE2-B3AD772BC012@kvglabs.com> References: <050520081149.1829.481EF45B000425B00000072522155612649C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <5FB420B5-3C4A-4013-8EE2-B3AD772BC012@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: Hi kermit & Andy, BTW...Robins in fact was the "American" renamed at that epoch for Akai products...? I'm correct?. So my passed away lovely daddy who own such "Gray' color bulk eraser...is exactly this US Robins/Europe Akai?. Please, clarify me this issue? Thanks a lot & both of you be well! Peace, ALEX! > From: notarbene at kvglabs.com> To: hwbosshoss at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil..............> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:31:00 -0500> CC: naktalk at naks.com> > Yes, it should although I've ne'er tried it with metal cassettes.> > On May 5, 2008, at 6:49 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote:> > >> > Kermit:> >> > Based on your comments, I can assume that the Robins TM-77 bulk > > eraser will do a good job on cassettes, correct?> >> >> > *andy*> > -- Kermit Gray> notarbene at kvglabs.com> KVG Laboratories> Equipment to Make Your Music Better> 16371 Lake Point Drive> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA> Telephone: 913-422-0957> Skype ID: triodelicacy> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. http://www.windowsvista.com/SP1?WT.mc_id=hotmailvistasp1banner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Most shill accounts have low feedback, unless the seller has a network of accomplices or bogus accounts ready and in place to make bids which will never be honored.? I have seen many Naks sold in such shill bidding only to reappear for sale when the crooked seller thinks the coast is clear. ? Jeff W Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Tue May 6 05:15:06 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 23:15:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery Message-ID: Hi Kermit, Please let me know list of amplifiers that you liked the best as I value your judgement , the best amp I have heard thus far has been Sony TA 4650 VFET(vertical field effect transistor) this amp has vertical field effect transistors in power output section which is very tube like sounding and rare compared to other sony amps. Also like the sound of Sansui 1000A 40w/ch tube receiver with 7591 tubes , what is your take on these amps?! let me know. Thanks! Ali In a message dated 5/5/2008 9:35:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: Hey Andy, As a former Pioneer dealer, you made my day! (Sold Nakamichi too, albeit briefly.) Audio equipment advertisers have over-used and misused the term "Class A" over the years and have promulgated a myth based on the generalization that Class A is the best sound around. By the way, only some theories of amplifier design describe Class A as the best sound, other theories demonstrate Class B amplifiers as theoretically superior because of increased efficiency that allows the implementation of greater inverse feedback without ill effect. Class A amplifiers are biased to conduct a signal for the entire cycle, a Class B amplifier conducts a signal for only half the cycle and a Class C amplifier conducts a signal only on the peaks. Class A is the least efficient, Class C the most, but Class C is found only in radio transmitters. If an amplifier is operating push-pull it cannot be pure Class A, as each device in the pair conducts only half the wave form, even if each device in the push-pull pair is itself biased as Class A. Confused? Don't feel badly, many professionals get this distinction confused. Most push pull amplifiers are biased between Classes A and B, and are thus designated Class AB. You will find considerable disagreement on these points, but only from advertisers, blow hards, egotists, guys who love to argue for the sake of arguing (or to be the center of attention) and beginners. The only determinants of audio amplifier quality are the designer's skill, component quality and the designers' design choices. Some of the best amplifiers I've heard have been Class A (a particular Thordarson comes to mind) whiled some of the worst amplifiers I've heard are also Class A. The finest amplifier I've ever heard was a one- of-a-kind Westrex theater amplifier -- it was Class B! Please as me for a list of my favorite power amplifiers because my amplifier designs are my favorites, with the exception of a few Westrex, Thordarson, McIntosh, and Crown models. The STASIS isn't a true class A because it is a push-pull (actually Class AB), although I believe its output devices are biased much closer to Class A than to Class B. The sterility you are perceiving in the STASIS is likely the result of a high degree of inverse feedback applied to the amplifier. There was a design fad for too many years to designing an amplifier that had extreme gain, was biased "hot" (closer to Class A than Class B) then had massive amounts of inverse feedback applied. This result in an amplifier with quite impressive specs, that was dead quiet and that had magnificent square wave response on an oscilloscope -- but to many listeners these amplifiers sound harsh, sterile, critical and fatiguing. For the sake of balance, some listeners love these very same amplifiers and are blown away but the clarity, speed, harmonic purity, incredible detail and extremely low distortion. Both points of view are equally valid, and merely reflect the tastes of the individual listener. Unfortunately, some who express an opinion on amplifier sound put forth their opinions as facts, and give themselves pretentious labels (like "scientific" or "objectivist") while seeking to diminish the opinions differing from theirs as "subjective." Such persons merely distract from real issues while demonstrating both their egos and their non-rigorous minds. Hearing is one of the five human senses, and as such is always subjective, so being labelled as subjective is irrelevant; it comes under the heading of, "Yes, and so what? We all are!" what I love most about audio is that no matter what your equipment sounds like, someone will like its sound! there's room for every conceivable sound, every technology and every approach! It is one of the few fields of endeavor where truly there is no right or wrong, no one "best" (another invention of marketers and egotists). On May 4, 2008, at 9:07 PM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my then-recently-acquired > vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some vintage > KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs. > > The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always > dangerous)... > > I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you who > don't know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier technology > that was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed from > Threshold, the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the time. > The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, Class A > amps are the "purest" form of amplification because the output > signal is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input > signal...only louder, of course. > > Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided to do a > head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. > > I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the vintage > KLH pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio model 7A > monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really deserving of > "audiophile" status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes speakers > that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't sound > bad, either. > > After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly shocked. > > The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but MUCH, > MUCH better. There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's sound > was warm and powerful, with excellent control over the upper > frequencies. In my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or treble > with no real character to it and merely lots of sibilance instead, > is a hallmark of a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. When > bad treble is present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate it. > The sound of the Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I got a > sense that the different instruments were really occupying their own > places in the stereo image. > > In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very clinical. > It's as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy, and it > overshot the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. I never > got the sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The Nakamichi > was pretty good with tape sources, since its "clinical" sound helped > to combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but in just > about every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the Pioneer. > The Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it clarity and > warmth, whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be "doing its job", > with no real "feeling" (for lack of a better word). > > Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I > listen to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and for > movies it sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie theater > low-end. I suppose that the increased output and headroom does make > a difference in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does make a > difference. But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH > difference there is between the two Nakamichi receivers--and how > much better the Pioneer sounds than either of them. > > In all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I didn't > want preferential tone settings to color my impression. > > I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference in the > sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I DID hear > a difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer. > > And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a Pioneer > SX-750 that is better still! > > If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer when > it comes to cassette decks! :-) > > > *andy* > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon May 5 23:58:10 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 16:58:10 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Talkin' tape Message-ID: <16982393.1210024690301.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Now you're talkin'. I'm a scrounger. Any Maxell will be fine. Sonys and TDKs tend to loose their labels, and there was a generation of green stripe SAs that lost tape lubricant. If you find genuine Chrome, such as Scotch or BASF, those are very nice. I avoid all Scotch, Ampex, and Memorex but I'm not entirely sure why. Habit? Fuji is ok as are stuff like Hitachi or Nakamichi ... Japanese manufacturers supplied TDK or Maxell as private labels. I would also pick up UDXL-I tapes. Normal bias tapes are not very noteworthy, but UDXL-I is fantastic for classical small ensemble, voice, and organ. If you've never tried an EX tape you will find there is a trade off between natural sound and hiss...more of each! tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: "mrm12000 at cableone.net" >Sent: May 4, 2008 10:34 PM >To: Naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Talkin' tape > >All of the talk about bulk erasers has me wondering about opinions on the tapes to >look for at garage and estate sales, where they can often be found dirt cheap. Grab >any metal tapes, yes, but what about Cr02? I remember years ago thinking Sony UX >was best, followed by TDK SA then Maxell XLII. How about TDK SA-X and Maxell XLII- >S? Memorex HBS II and TEAC CRC? What are your preferences? > >Marc >---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue May 6 00:03:59 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 16:03:59 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Books On Tape Cassette of Course Message-ID: If anyone knows of a website or how I can get an owners manual for the Pioneer CT-M6R cassette deck, please contact me off line. I picked one up two weeks ago. The deck looks, performs, and sounds wonderful. Tapes recorded on my Dragon tracked excellent on this deck. From: kulak at ozemail.com.auTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Books On Tape Cassette of CourseDate: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:12:20 +1000 John, Sounds like your looking for a Pioneer CT-M6R deck, which is a 6 tape changer, with auto reverse nd serial play. Quite often listed on Ebay. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: John Thomas To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] Books On Tape Cassette of Course Hello All!I have about 100 Books On Tape and I am trying to convert them to WAV files to put on CD’s and also make mp3’s for my iPod type players. It is a pain in the butt to use a one deck cassette player. A two deck is so much better! BUT I am having trouble finding one that plays both tapes both sides and stops. I have a Sony Yes I know an inferior product TC-WE475 that plays both tapes until the pigs fly or I manually stop the play. That makes capturing to the computer a little time consuming. I have a program that will slit the large 2 cassette wav file into smaller sections and then I find the repeat sections and delete. Any suggestions? If you have an older but resent refurbish unit I would love to buy it. A new player that I purchased from circuit city was so old that the rubber drive bands were bad. On eBay I found a carousel player that held 5 cassettes but it died and the local cassette repair man said it was bad and could not be repaired. I tried and made a mess of it. I also could not find one of the drive bands. Also on eBay I found one that was a 10 tape cassette “slider” that worked for a while but the belts on it were worn out. I would be happy to pay some one that could refurbish an extended extra long player. Total budget would be $300.00 plus shipping. The machine would not have to have recording capability nor would the case or look need to be very good. Just the heart of the player to be in great shape. Some one with ingenuity could even make one out of parts on a plywood board. It just has to play in order and stop playing at the last tape. I am appealing to you guys that have rebuilt a tape drive motor. 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Name: ATT00001 URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue May 6 00:24:31 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 16:24:31 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery Message-ID: Hey Andy, I have a Nakamichi SR-4A. The top of the line receiver in this series. The only one availabe with a remote control. When I started listening to it, I kept turning my head around the room because I was hearing sounds that I thought was not coming from the music. Indeed those sounds were coming thru the SR-4A. I was watching a game show with my left ear turned 45 degrees to the speakers and I heard in my right ear a train blow its horn one quarter mile away. Realizing right away that the horn came from the game show. There was a statement on Naktalk about these receivers by a guy a few months back stating that they make the walls disappear. Well, I get the idea.> From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net> To: naktalk at naks.com> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 02:07:59 +0000> Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery> > > A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my then-recently-acquired vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some vintage KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs.> > The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always dangerous)...> > I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you who don't know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier technology that was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed from Threshold, the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the time. The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, Class A amps are the 'purest' form of amplification because the output signal is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input signal...only louder, of course.> > Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided to do a head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi.> > I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the vintage KLH pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio model 7A monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really deserving of 'audiophile' status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes speakers that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't sound bad, either.> > After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly shocked.> > The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but MUCH, MUCH better. There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's sound was warm and powerful, with excellent control over the upper frequencies. In my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or treble with no real character to it and merely lots of sibilance instead, is a hallmark of a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. When bad treble is present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate it. The sound of the Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I got a sense that the different instruments were really occupying their own places in the stereo image.> > In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very clinical. It's as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy, and it overshot the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. I never got the sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The Nakamichi was pretty good with tape sources, since its 'clinical' sound helped to combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but in just about every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the Pioneer. The Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it clarity and warmth, whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be 'doing its job', with no real 'feeling' (for lack of a better word).> > Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I listen to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and for movies it sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie theater low-end. I suppose that the increased output and headroom does make a difference in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does make a difference. But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH difference there is between the two Nakamichi receivers--and how much better the Pioneer sounds than either of them.> > In all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I didn't want preferential tone settings to color my impression.> > I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference in the sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I DID hear a difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer.> > And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a Pioneer SX-750 that is better still!> > If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer when it comes to cassette decks! :-)> > > *andy*> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_052008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marc On Mon May 5 7:23 , 'Pharmboy' sent: >Selling the last of my extensive live tape collection. >Value is in the media. >I'm down to about 400 cassette tapes >This what i got: >TDK SA-X 90min >TDK SA 90 >Maxell XLII-S 90min >Maxell XLII 90min and 100min >$1-2 each depending on type and quantity wanted >Will accept less for XLII 90 > >And about 20 Metal - Type IV tapes of assorted brands - all 90min > >All tapes recorded on once and played back at most 4 to 5 times only in clean > high end home decks. >Stored in smoke free, temperature and humidity controlled environment. >All tapes are in near mint or excellent condition. >All tapes were made in Japan. >-david >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue May 6 01:31:45 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 19:31:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <050520080207.10957.481E6BFF00068E6C00002ACD22155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <050520080207.10957.481E6BFF00068E6C00002ACD22155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <481F98E1.3010604@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my then-recently-acquired vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some vintage KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs. > > The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always dangerous)... > > I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you who don't know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier technology that was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed from Threshold, the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the time. The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, Class A amps are the "purest" form of amplification because the output signal is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input signal...only louder, of course. For those interested in nit picking... No amplifier can output a truly 'exact duplicate' of the input. Some noise and distortion are *always* added. Class A is considered by purists to be the best because all other amplifier classes add 'crossover distortion'. This is a particularly unpleasant type of distortion that -- even when low -- can be quite irritating. Good class AB amps manage to reduce xover distortion to the all but vanishing point, though. > Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided to do a head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. > > I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the vintage KLH pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio model 7A monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really deserving of "audiophile" status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes speakers that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't sound bad, either. > > After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly shocked. > > The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but MUCH, MUCH better. Well, two comments... First, a true test must use the same speakers. Using different speakers completely invalidates the test. Second, the Nak could be in bad shape. Before running such a test, each amp should have been measured and verified to (at least) meet it's spec. I happen to use a Nakamichi RE-2 receiver in my work area (which sounds much better than 'my basement'). It feeds Radio Shack Minimus 7 speakers (by no means high end speakers) and still sounds quite good. Also, many years ago I heard the Nak Stasis amp (not a receiver), driving KEF speakers and sonics were nothing short of superb. No offense to the Pioneer unit, but my gut feeling is that the Nak should have trounced it. I hope a discussion will ensue. Thanks for posting, -- Ron > ... There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's sound was warm > and powerful, with excellent control over the upper frequencies. > In my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or treble with no real > character to it and merely lots of sibilance instead, is a > hallmark of a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. When bad > treble is present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate it. The > sound of the Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I got a sense > that the different instruments were really occupying their own > places in the stereo image. > > In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very clinical. It's as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy, and it overshot the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. I never got the sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The Nakamichi was pretty good with tape sources, since its "clinical" sound helped to combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but in just about every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the Pioneer. The Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it clarity and warmth, whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be "doing its job", with no real "feeling" (for lack of a better word). > > Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I listen to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and for movies it sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie theater low-end. I suppose that the increased output and headroom does make a difference in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does make a difference. But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH difference there is between the two Nakamichi receivers--and how much better the Pioneer sounds than either of them. > > In all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I didn't want preferential tone settings to color my impression. > > I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference in the sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I DID hear a difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer. > > And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a Pioneer SX-750 that is better still! > > If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer when it comes to cassette decks! :-) > > > *andy* From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue May 6 06:03:47 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 00:03:47 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Talkin' tape Message-ID: In a message dated 5/5/2008 9:00:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: Now you're talkin'. I'm a scrounger. Any Maxell will be fine. Sonys and TDKs tend to loose their labels, and there was a generation of green stripe SAs that lost tape lubricant. If you find genuine Chrome, such as Scotch or BASF, those are very nice. I avoid all Scotch, Ampex, and Memorex but I'm not entirely sure why. Habit? Fuji is ok as are stuff like Hitachi or Nakamichi ... Japanese manufacturers supplied TDK or Maxell as private labels. I would also pick up UDXL-I tapes. Normal bias tapes are not very noteworthy, but UDXL-I is fantastic for classical small ensemble, voice, and organ. If you've never tried an EX tape you will find there is a trade off between natural sound and hiss...more of each! tom brucker I'd ditto that about UDXL-1 and I'd also suggest TDK AD. Right now where I live, tapes at 25 cents apiece at garage sales - there's never been a better time to collect tapes. Jeff W **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From boytchik1 at hotmail.com Tue May 6 23:41:16 2008 From: boytchik1 at hotmail.com (Gutte Neshome) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 17:41:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hows this for value retenion? In-Reply-To: <8CA7D18887649DB-274-233F@WEBMAIL-DG06.sim.aol.com> References: <8CA7D18887649DB-274-233F@WEBMAIL-DG06.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: This is America..........it's all good! To: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Hows this for value retenion?Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:43:17 -0400From: badanth at aim.comExactly what Jeff said...Anthony-----Original Message-----From: Bansijeff at aol.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSent: Mon, 5 May 2008 1:23 pmSubject: Re: [naktalk] Hows this for value retenion? In a message dated 5/4/2008 5:25:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, boytchik1 at hotmail.com writes: and you know that how? If you notice they're all bid by low feedback bidders. Probably all friends of his or even himself. What the 'low feedback" comment is referring to is a common practice on eBay - shill bidding. By bidding on one's own auctions, a crooked seller can drive the price up. Most shill accounts have low feedback, unless the seller has a network of accomplices or bogus accounts ready and in place to make bids which will never be honored. I have seen many Naks sold in such shill bidding only to reappear for sale when the crooked seller thinks the coast is clear. Jeff W Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? 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URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed May 7 02:02:11 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 20:02:11 EDT Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery Message-ID: I have to agree with Ron, same speakers should have been used to evaluate both, and yes the Nak receiver must have been out of shape to sound that bad ! What ever Nak made was first class! and to think they would have made something this bad sounding , something dosent sound right to me! Ali In a message dated 5/6/2008 12:02:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my then-recently-acquired vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some vintage KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs. > > The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always dangerous)... > > I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you who don't know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier technology that was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed from Threshold, the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the time. The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, Class A amps are the "purest" form of amplification because the output signal is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input signal...only louder, of course. For those interested in nit picking... No amplifier can output a truly 'exact duplicate' of the input. Some noise and distortion are *always* added. Class A is considered by purists to be the best because all other amplifier classes add 'crossover distortion'. This is a particularly unpleasant type of distortion that -- even when low -- can be quite irritating. Good class AB amps manage to reduce xover distortion to the all but vanishing point, though. > Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided to do a head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. > > I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the vintage KLH pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio model 7A monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really deserving of "audiophile" status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes speakers that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't sound bad, either. > > After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly shocked. > > The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but MUCH, MUCH better. Well, two comments... First, a true test must use the same speakers. Using different speakers completely invalidates the test. Second, the Nak could be in bad shape. Before running such a test, each amp should have been measured and verified to (at least) meet it's spec. I happen to use a Nakamichi RE-2 receiver in my work area (which sounds much better than 'my basement'). It feeds Radio Shack Minimus 7 speakers (by no means high end speakers) and still sounds quite good. Also, many years ago I heard the Nak Stasis amp (not a receiver), driving KEF speakers and sonics were nothing short of superb. No offense to the Pioneer unit, but my gut feeling is that the Nak should have trounced it. I hope a discussion will ensue. Thanks for posting, -- Ron > ... There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's sound was warm > and powerful, with excellent control over the upper frequencies. > In my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or treble with no real > character to it and merely lots of sibilance instead, is a > hallmark of a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. When bad > treble is present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate it. The > sound of the Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I got a sense > that the different instruments were really occupying their own > places in the stereo image. > > In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very clinical. It's as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy, and it overshot the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. I never got the sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The Nakamichi was pretty good with tape sources, since its "clinical" sound helped to combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but in just about every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the Pioneer. The Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it clarity and warmth, whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be "doing its job", with no real "feeling" (for lack of a better word). > > Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I listen to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and for movies it sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie theater low-end. I suppose that the increased output and headroom does make a difference in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does make a difference. But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH difference there is between the two Nakamichi receivers--and how much better the Pioneer sounds than either of them. > > In all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I didn't want preferential tone settings to color my impression. > > I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference in the sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I DID hear a difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer. > > And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a Pioneer SX-750 that is better still! > > If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer when it comes to cassette decks! :-) > > > *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Tue May 6 12:46:26 2008 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 20:46:26 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking discovery Message-ID: Andy I had a similar reaction to a SR3 receiver but I also discovered that it is speaker sensitive - perhaps there is an efficiency balance involved. Part of the problem I had was that the balance switch was dirty and affecting the stereo output. Adjusting that did wonders but then I noticed that the receiver did not appear to go that well with my B&W DM7 speakers. When I tried it with some Australian made VAF kit speakers on the wife's setup it sounded great! She is happy too. David >Message: 3 >Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 02:07:59 +0000 >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <050520080207.10957.481E6BFF00068E6C00002ACD22155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908 at c omcast.net> >A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my then-recently-acquired vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some vintage KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs. >The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always dangerous)... >I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you who don't know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier technology that was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed from Threshold, the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the time. The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, Class A amps are the "purest" form of amplification because the output signal is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input signal...only louder, of course. >Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided to do a head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. >I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the vintage KLH pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio model 7A monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really deserving of "audiophile" status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes speakers that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't sound bad, either. >After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly shocked. >The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but MUCH, MUCH better. There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's sound was warm and powerful, with excellent control over the upper frequencies. In my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or treble with no real character to it and merely lots of sibilance instead, is a hallmark of a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. When bad treble is present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate it. The sound of the Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I got a sense that the different instruments were really occupying their own places in the stereo image. >In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very clinical. It's as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy, and it overshot the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. I never got the sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The Nakamichi was pretty good with tape sources, since its "clinical" sound helped to combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but in just about every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the Pioneer. The Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it clarity and warmth, whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be "doing its job", with no real "feeling" (for lack of a better word). >Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I listen to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and for movies it sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie theater low-end. I suppose that the increased output and headroom does make a difference in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does make a difference. But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH difference there is between the two Nakamichi receivers--and how much better the Pioneer sounds than either of them. I>n all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I didn't want preferential tone settings to color my impression. >I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference in the sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I DID hear a difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer. >And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a Pioneer SX-750 that is better still! >If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer when it comes to cassette decks! :-) >*andy* From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Tue May 6 07:57:33 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 05:57:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <8E5A89BB-76A0-49F5-AE61-19E9C6C9F8BD@kvglabs.com> References: <050520080207.10957.481E6BFF00068E6C00002ACD22155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8E5A89BB-76A0-49F5-AE61-19E9C6C9F8BD@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <050620080557.13687.481FF34B00020AAC0000357722243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Excellent discussion. And now a word from the friendly neighborhood curmudgeon. Ah yes, the ol' designer/engineer's dilemma. Take a little salt here, put a little more sugar there. All this proves is that there is no best design. Just lots of choices. That being said how should a newbie navigate the many pot holes? Most print advertisement for amps or any other component is merely an opinion. The goal from the marketeer standpoint of course not to educate as some would have you believe but to steer the consumer towards the same goal. BUY MY PRODUCT! Is there any best car, fridge, tv, or ball point pen? How much is the designer/builder willing to sweat the details while giving you the least for the most profit. Will a $30.00/30 year old tube or S/S amp give you the same satisfaction and enjoyment as a $30K/30 day old amp. I would venture to say that many blue plate auction specials have brought tears of happiness akin to the millionaire who dumps unfathomable dollars on a single phono cartridge. So, I would start with a blank piece of paper and list all the amps by preference that have captured your fancy and figured out why they hold a chosen pecking order. Is it the cosmetic beauty, unbridled power capacity, execution simplicity, modern or vinta ge design image, builder reputation, specific sound trait, childhood dream etc etc etc? Be honest here, since self delusion at this choke point will guarantee hunger for the next biggest/best or newest fad that is ID'd & reinforced by a hungry vendor. Unfortunately I have personally watched some of the more amoral types, or industry gurus who have years training, and can spot this need a mile away, dive bombing their target, feeding this insecurity, right up to the cash register. Therefore the best medicine is knowledge. Give yourself time to understand the goal of each proposed amp whether A/AB/B/H/Tube etc. "Best" means absolutely nothing if its context is confused by emotions and even then what are the parameters? We all carry a bias of some form which clouds judgment. A perfect science this is not. Therefore my own solution was to obtain a trio of decently priced (for my budget) class A and AB amp and a small tube job, all with slightly different signatures that can satisfy my need for smoothness in the wee morning hours, right after waking up, while my eyes are still semi shut and then resulution for vocal, and instrumental and classical, jazz for resolution/detail in the evening. Get it? -------------- Original message from Kermit Gray : -------------- > Hey Andy, > > As a former Pioneer dealer, you made my day! (Sold Nakamichi too, > albeit briefly.) > > Audio equipment advertisers have over-used and misused the term "Class > A" over the years and have promulgated a myth based on the > generalization that Class A is the best sound around. By the way, > only some theories of amplifier design describe Class A as the best > sound, other theories demonstrate Class B amplifiers as theoretically > superior because of increased efficiency that allows the > implementation of greater inverse feedback without ill effect. Class A > amplifiers are biased to conduct a signal for the entire cycle, a > Class B amplifier conducts a signal for only half the cycle and a > Class C amplifier conducts a signal only on the peaks. Class A is the > least efficient, Class C the most, but Class C is found only in radio > transmitters. If an amplifier is operating push-pull it cannot be pure > Class A, as each device in the pair conducts only half the wave form, > even if each device in the push-pull pair is itself biased as Class A. > Confused? Don't feel badly, many professionals get this distinction > confused. Most push pull amplifiers are biased between Classes A and > B, and are thus designated Class AB. You will find considerable > disagreement on these points, but only from advertisers, blow hards, > egotists, guys who love to argue for the sake of arguing (or to be the > center of attention) and beginners. > > The only determinants of audio amplifier quality are the designer's > skill, component quality and the designers' design choices. Some of > the best amplifiers I've heard have been Class A (a particular > Thordarson comes to mind) whiled some of the worst amplifiers I've > heard are also Class A. The finest amplifier I've ever heard was a one- > of-a-kind Westrex theater amplifier -- it was Class B! Please as me > for a list of my favorite power amplifiers because my amplifier > designs are my favorites, with the exception of a few Westrex, > Thordarson, McIntosh, and Crown models. > > The STASIS isn't a true class A because it is a push-pull (actually > Class AB), although I believe its output devices are biased much > closer to Class A than to Class B. > > The sterility you are perceiving in the STASIS is likely the result of > a high degree of inverse feedback applied to the amplifier. There was > a design fad for too many years to designing an amplifier that had > extreme gain, was biased "hot" (closer to Class A than Class B) then > had massive amounts of inverse feedback applied. This result in an > amplifier with quite impressive specs, that was dead quiet and that > had magnificent square wave response on an oscilloscope -- but to many > listeners these amplifiers sound harsh, sterile, critical and > fatiguing. For the sake of balance, some listeners love these very > same amplifiers and are blown away but the clarity, speed, harmonic > purity, incredible detail and extremely low distortion. Both points of > view are equally valid, and merely reflect the tastes of the > individual listener. Unfortunately, some who express an opinion on > amplifier sound put forth their opinions as facts, and give themselves > pretentious labels (like "scientific" or "objectivist") while seeking > to diminish the opinions differing from theirs as "subjective." Such > persons merely distract from real issues while demonstrating both > their egos and their non-rigorous minds. Hearing is one of the five > human senses, and as such is always subjective, so being labelled as > subjective is irrelevant; it comes under the heading of, "Yes, and so > what? We all are!" what I love most about audio is that no matter what > your equipment sounds like, someone will like its sound! there's room > for every conceivable sound, every technology and every approach! It > is one of the few fields of endeavor where truly there is no right or > wrong, no one "best" (another invention of marketers and egotists). > > On May 4, 2008, at 9:07 PM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > > > A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my then-recently-acquired > > vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some vintage > > KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs. > > > > The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always > > dangerous)... > > > > I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you who > > don't know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier technology > > that was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed from > > Threshold, the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the time. > > The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, Class A > > amps are the "purest" form of amplification because the output > > signal is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input > > signal...only louder, of course. > > > > Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided to do a > > head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. > > > > I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the vintage > > KLH pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio model 7A > > monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really deserving of > > "audiophile" status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes speakers > > that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't sound > > bad, either. > > > > After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly shocked. > > > > The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but MUCH, > > MUCH better. There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's sound > > was warm and powerful, with excellent control over the upper > > frequencies. In my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or treble > > with no real character to it and merely lots of sibilance instead, > > is a hallmark of a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. When > > bad treble is present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate it. > > The sound of the Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I got a > > sense that the different instruments were really occupying their own > > places in the stereo image. > > > > In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very clinical. > > It's as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy, and it > > overshot the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. I never > > got the sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The Nakamichi > > was pretty good with tape sources, since its "clinical" sound helped > > to combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but in just > > about every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the Pioneer. > > The Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it clarity and > > warmth, whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be "doing its job", > > with no real "feeling" (for lack of a better word). > > > > Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I > > listen to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and for > > movies it sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie theater > > low-end. I suppose that the increased output and headroom does make > > a difference in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does make a > > difference. But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH > > difference there is between the two Nakamichi receivers--and how > > much better the Pioneer sounds than either of them. > > > > In all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I didn't > > want preferential tone settings to color my impression. > > > > I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference in the > > sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I DID hear > > a difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer. > > > > And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a Pioneer > > SX-750 that is better still! > > > > If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer when > > it comes to cassette decks! :-) > > > > > > *andy* > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A small Class A amplifier was controlling the large high-current output stage to force the speaker load to follow the small Stasis Class A amplifier stage. The following is opinion formed from the experiences that I have had and is not stated to rain on anyone's sonic impressions. Also, this opinion was formed with new equipment many years ago and time is not kind to audio equipment; as it is not kind to our bodies! As far a sonic qualities were concerned back then, there was simply no comparison between Nakamichi and Pioneer. (At least on systems with clean analog or digital sources and driving B&W, Celestion, Polk, or Paradigm speakers. We didn't ever try receivers on our Acoustat, Apogee, or Wilson Audio speakers. :o) We felt that Pioneer did finally create some transparent electronics in their Elite Series, which sounded quite nice! It is always hard to evaluate a component. Whenever you listen, you are in fact listening to a "system" of components. In my former life I designed the American Audio Laboratories high-end cd players and I found that it is very hard to truly compare individual components because everything in the audio chain does corrupt the original sound. It is very easy to find a system where a "sweet" component is simply masking the corruption from further up the audio chain. Oh well, enough about that. It is so refreshing to know that there are a few of us left that still listen!! My wife was just remarking last night as we listened to "Jazz at the Pawnshop" , "people really miss out on a lot of pleasure when they don't just sit down and listen to music!" I just had a memory pop back while thinking about the old TA3A. The receiver had a 22K 1/2w resister that would go bad and throw the bias off in the amp section. As good as I used to think that they sounded back then, I was not happy with how they cooked themselves to death. Nakamichi like HK, NAD (not- always-defective) and others, tried to get good sound with relatively inexpensive construction and just did not have the type of build that managed the heat properly. A 75-pound, 60-watt Threshold Stasis amplifier, built with huge heat sinks, mil-spec epoxy-glass pcbs, and 16/250watt output transistors per channel will last for years cooking at 115 degrees! A receiver built the phenolic (cardboard) pcbs will not! Happy Listening! Doug Guth, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 (864) 297-8533 -----Original Message----- From: Kermit Gray [mailto:notarbene at kvglabs.com] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery Hey Andy, As a former Pioneer dealer, you made my day! (Sold Nakamichi too, albeit briefly.) Audio equipment advertisers have over-used and misused the term "Class A" over the years and have promulgated a myth based on the generalization that Class A is the best sound around. By the way, only some theories of amplifier design describe Class A as the best sound, other theories demonstrate Class B amplifiers as theoretically superior because of increased efficiency that allows the implementation of greater inverse feedback without ill effect. Class A amplifiers are biased to conduct a signal for the entire cycle, a Class B amplifier conducts a signal for only half the cycle and a Class C amplifier conducts a signal only on the peaks. Class A is the least efficient, Class C the most, but Class C is found only in radio transmitters. If an amplifier is operating push-pull it cannot be pure Class A, as each device in the pair conducts only half the wave form, even if each device in the push-pull pair is itself biased as Class A. Confused? Don't feel badly, many professionals get this distinction confused. Most push pull amplifiers are biased between Classes A and B, and are thus designated Class AB. You will find considerable disagreement on these points, but only from advertisers, blow hards, egotists, guys who love to argue for the sake of arguing (or to be the center of attention) and beginners. The only determinants of audio amplifier quality are the designer's skill, component quality and the designers' design choices. Some of the best amplifiers I've heard have been Class A (a particular Thordarson comes to mind) whiled some of the worst amplifiers I've heard are also Class A. The finest amplifier I've ever heard was a one- of-a-kind Westrex theater amplifier -- it was Class B! Please as me for a list of my favorite power amplifiers because my amplifier designs are my favorites, with the exception of a few Westrex, Thordarson, McIntosh, and Crown models. The STASIS isn't a true class A because it is a push-pull (actually Class AB), although I believe its output devices are biased much closer to Class A than to Class B. The sterility you are perceiving in the STASIS is likely the result of a high degree of inverse feedback applied to the amplifier. There was a design fad for too many years to designing an amplifier that had extreme gain, was biased "hot" (closer to Class A than Class B) then had massive amounts of inverse feedback applied. This result in an amplifier with quite impressive specs, that was dead quiet and that had magnificent square wave response on an oscilloscope -- but to many listeners these amplifiers sound harsh, sterile, critical and fatiguing. For the sake of balance, some listeners love these very same amplifiers and are blown away but the clarity, speed, harmonic purity, incredible detail and extremely low distortion. Both points of view are equally valid, and merely reflect the tastes of the individual listener. Unfortunately, some who express an opinion on amplifier sound put forth their opinions as facts, and give themselves pretentious labels (like "scientific" or "objectivist") while seeking to diminish the opinions differing from theirs as "subjective." Such persons merely distract from real issues while demonstrating both their egos and their non-rigorous minds. Hearing is one of the five human senses, and as such is always subjective, so being labelled as subjective is irrelevant; it comes under the heading of, "Yes, and so what? We all are!" what I love most about audio is that no matter what your equipment sounds like, someone will like its sound! there's room for every conceivable sound, every technology and every approach! It is one of the few fields of endeavor where truly there is no right or wrong, no one "best" (another invention of marketers and egotists). On May 4, 2008, at 9:07 PM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my then-recently-acquired > vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some vintage > KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs. > > The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always > dangerous)... > > I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you who don't > know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier technology that > was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed from Threshold, > the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the time. > The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, Class A > amps are the "purest" form of amplification because the output signal > is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input signal...only > louder, of course. > > Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided to do a > head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. > > I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the vintage KLH > pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio model 7A > monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really deserving of > "audiophile" status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes speakers > that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't sound > bad, either. > > After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly shocked. > > The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but MUCH, MUCH > better. There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's sound was warm > and powerful, with excellent control over the upper frequencies. In > my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or treble with no real > character to it and merely lots of sibilance instead, is a hallmark of > a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. When bad treble is > present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate it. > The sound of the Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I got a sense > that the different instruments were really occupying their own places > in the stereo image. > > In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very clinical. > It's as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy, and it > overshot the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. I never > got the sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The Nakamichi > was pretty good with tape sources, since its "clinical" sound helped > to combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but in just > about every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the Pioneer. > The Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it clarity and > warmth, whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be "doing its job", with > no real "feeling" (for lack of a better word). > > Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I listen > to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and for movies it > sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie theater low-end. I > suppose that the increased output and headroom does make a difference > in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does make a difference. > But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH difference there is > between the two Nakamichi receivers--and how much better the Pioneer > sounds than either of them. > > In all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I didn't > want preferential tone settings to color my impression. > > I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference in the > sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I DID hear a > difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer. > > And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a Pioneer > SX-750 that is better still! > > If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer when it > comes to cassette decks! :-) > > > *andy* > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your > account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 6 15:36:47 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 08:36:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery Message-ID: <14968846.1210081007524.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Andy, You are never to base listening results on the perceived value of technology! Stasis, BTW, is not class A but "non-switching class AB" where the bias is always maintained through both halves of the current amp stage. I think it is fair to say that corporate Nakamichi was very specification conscious. Their tuners were selective, their preamps quiet, their decks had extended frequency response, and their amps had no distortion. The problem is that measurements do not correlate with musicallity. Typically Nak electronics were great on paper, as the saying goes. That a Pioneer SX780 receiver rates so highly in your regard is my "shock". The Pioneer was truly nothing special. There were great receivers in the silver era, such as the HK 560I, Sansui 9090, or the NAD 7020 that had sound worth sitting down for. Sticking to the topic of Nakamichi, if you ever get a chance, listen to the 620 amplifier (or the little 420). These were Nakamichi's first, and IMO best, until the PA-7 came out. (The 730 receiver while similar to the 620 had too many gimmicks to be on this list) One neat old system was an Apt preamp, 430 tuner, 620 power amp, and DCM Time Window speakers, w/ a good table. Beginning around 2003 the sound of the old silver era became sought after, and "vintage" equaled "value". I wonder if we have a certain sound captured inside our brains that we can identify when we hear it? Even though today's digital DSP stuff seems so superior, the colorations of the amps of the 70's and for that matter tapes of the 70's, remain dear to our souls. Given the choice we go back and say exactly what you said...."now that's the way music should sound!" tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: May 4, 2008 9:07 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery > > >A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my then-recently-acquired vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some vintage KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs. > >The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always dangerous)... > >I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you who don't know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier technology that was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed from Threshold, the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the time. The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, Class A amps are the "purest" form of amplification because the output signal is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input signal...only louder, of course. > >Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided to do a head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. > >I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the vintage KLH pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio model 7A monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really deserving of "audiophile" status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes speakers that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't sound bad, either. > >After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly shocked. > >The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but MUCH, MUCH better. There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's sound was warm and powerful, with excellent control over the upper frequencies. In my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or treble with no real character to it and merely lots of sibilance instead, is a hallmark of a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. When bad treble is present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate it. The sound of the Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I got a sense that the different instruments were really occupying their own places in the stereo image. > >In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very clinical. It's as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy, and it overshot the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. I never got the sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The Nakamichi was pretty good with tape sources, since its "clinical" sound helped to combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but in just about every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the Pioneer. The Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it clarity and warmth, whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be "doing its job", with no real "feeling" (for lack of a better word). > >Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I listen to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and for movies it sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie theater low-end. I suppose that the increased output and headroom does make a difference in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does make a difference. But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH difference there is between the two Nakamichi receivers--and how much better the Pioneer sounds than either of them. > >In all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I didn't want preferential tone settings to color my impression. > >I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference in the sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I DID hear a difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer. > >And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a Pioneer SX-750 that is better still! > >If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer when it comes to cassette decks! :-) > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 6 23:03:39 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:03:39 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] clean Dragon face plate and buttons Message-ID: <32083443.1210107819445.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Attention all worn Dragon owners! There is a Dragon faceplate on eBay with the power and eject button writing intact. tom Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From emberphoto at hotmail.com Tue May 6 18:50:56 2008 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:50:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil.............. In-Reply-To: References: <050520081149.1829.481EF45B000425B00000072522155612649C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <5FB420B5-3C4A-4013-8EE2-B3AD772BC012@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: Hi Alex and all assembled ears, I think you may be confusing Robins with Roberts, which was indeed the American branding for Akai open reel decks for a while...unless Robins was also re-badging an Akai product. Cheers, Steve From: alexcozac at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil..............Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 03:41:45 +0000 Hi kermit & Andy, BTW...Robins in fact was the "American" renamed at that epoch for Akai products...? I'm correct?. So my passed away lovely daddy who own such "Gray' color bulk eraser...is exactly this US Robins/Europe Akai?. Please, clarify me this issue? Thanks a lot & both of you be well! Peace,ALEX! > From: notarbene at kvglabs.com> To: hwbosshoss at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil..............> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:31:00 -0500> CC: naktalk at naks.com> > Yes, it should although I've ne'er tried it with metal cassettes.> > On May 5, 2008, at 6:49 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote:> > >> > Kermit:> >> > Based on your comments, I can assume that the Robins TM-77 bulk > > eraser will do a good job on cassettes, correct?> >> >> > *andy*> > -- Kermit Gray> notarbene at kvglabs.com> KVG Laboratories> Equipment to Make Your Music Better> 16371 Lake Point Drive> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA> Telephone: 913-422-0957> Skype ID: triodelicacy> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. Learn more. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Tue May 6 15:11:14 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 13:11:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery Message-ID: <050620081311.110.482058F2000266C40000006E22155612649C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Ron: You misunderstood my post. I should have been clearer. Both sets of speakers were at times hooked up to both receivers, the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. In other words, I did *four* listening tests (2 sets of speakers X 2 receivers). While I didn't hook either receiver up to a 'scope or anything like that, I can verify that both receivers seem to be functioning perfectly. The Nakamichi receiver is absolutely MINT, not a mark on it, with very low hours. I didn't mean to imply that the Nakamichi's sound was thin to the point of questioning its health, or that the Nakamichi's volume was not loud (it IS loud, believe me), but rather I was trying to illustrate as best I could that the Nakamichi's sound was very noticeably unsatisfying compared to the sound of the Pioneer. I guess another way to put it would be that if I had nothing to listen to but the Nakamichi, I would probably be satisfied...UNTIL I heard the Pioneer, and heard what I had been missing. *andy* From johngipps at aol.com Tue May 6 19:55:04 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 13:55:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery Message-ID: <8CA7DB9728396B9-10AC-CD8@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> Hi Andy STASIS and Class A are actually completely separate concepts in amplifier design. STASIS claims to be unconditionally stable by having a gain stage with negative feedback followed by a unity gain output stage with its own local negative feedback - in the case of the SR-4, SR-3, and PA-7 the unity gain stage results from 100% feedback of the collector coupled output transistors to the emitters of the transistors at the front end of the unity gain stage. Negative feedback is not applied in one loop from the output at the speaker terminals to the front end of the power amp. While STASIS claims unconditional stability, it's interesting to note that in all the Nakamichi STASIS designs, an R-C series network is still present at the output to help stabilise it against a range of load impedances. Any respectable non-STASIS amplifier is also unconditionally stable in the same way that a STASIS amplifier claims to be. Class A refers to a topology that runs more quiescent current than the design maximum output current - so piles of dissipation - low efficiency - most class A amps thus tend to be modest in output. From my point of view, really pointless, as all of the good qualities of class A can be achieved by well designed class AB without heating up your listening room. I personally think that both STASIS and Class A have very little to offer - I do plan to collect a PA-7 one of these days, but that's for its awesome appearance, and the fact that I collect Nakamichi. None of my favourite amplifiers from a sound point of view use either technique. I haven't spent any great amount of time listening to SR-4s and SR-3s, but is there a chance that your SR-3 is not completely healthy - it's hard to imagine any Nakamichi product sounding really terrible. Regards John Gipps *Andy* wrote I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you who don't know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier technology that was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed from Threshold, the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the time. The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, Class A amps are the "purest" form of amplification because the output signal is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input signal...only louder, of course. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tapes recorded on my Dragon tracked excellent on this deck. _____ From: kulak at ozemail.com.au To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Books On Tape Cassette of Course Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:12:20 +1000 John, Sounds like your looking for a Pioneer CT-M6R deck, which is a 6 tape changer, with auto reverse nd serial play. Quite often listed on Ebay. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: John Thomas To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:51 AM Subject: [naktalk] Books On Tape Cassette of Course Hello All! I have about 100 Books On Tape and I am trying to convert them to WAV files to put on CD's and also make mp3's for my iPod type players. It is a pain in the butt to use a one deck cassette player. A two deck is so much better! BUT I am having trouble finding one that plays both tapes both sides and stops. I have a Sony Yes I know an inferior product TC-WE475 that plays both tapes until the pigs fly or I manually stop the play. That makes capturing to the computer a little time consuming. I have a program that will slit the large 2 cassette wav file into smaller sections and then I find the repeat sections and delete. Any suggestions? If you have an older but resent refurbish unit I would love to buy it. A new player that I purchased from circuit city was so old that the rubber drive bands were bad. On eBay I found a carousel player that held 5 cassettes but it died and the local cassette repair man said it was bad and could not be repaired. I tried and made a mess of it. I also could not find one of the drive bands. Also on eBay I found one that was a 10 tape cassette "slider" that worked for a while but the belts on it were worn out. I would be happy to pay some one that could refurbish an extended extra long player. Total budget would be $300.00 plus shipping. The machine would not have to have recording capability nor would the case or look need to be very good. Just the heart of the player to be in great shape. Some one with ingenuity could even make one out of parts on a plywood board. It just has to play in order and stop playing at the last tape. I am appealing to you guys that have rebuilt a tape drive motor. Thanks and BlueSkies John _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. IM anytime you're online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Eastern Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: Hey Andy, As a former Pioneer dealer, you made my day! (Sold Nakamichi too, albeit briefly.) Audio equipment advertisers have over-used and misused the term "Class A" over the years and have promulgated a myth based on the generalization that Class A is the best sound around. By the way, only some theories of amplifier design describe Class A as the best sound, other theories demonstrate Class B amplifiers as theoretically superior because of increased efficiency that allows the implementation of greater inverse feedback without ill effect. Class A amplifiers are biased to conduct a signal for the entire cycle, a Class B amplifier conducts a signal for only half the cycle and a Class C amplifier conducts a signal only on the peaks. Class A is the least efficient, Class C the most, but Class C is found only in radio transmitters. If an amplifier is operating push-pull it cannot be pure Class A, as each device in the pair conducts only half the wave form, even if each device in the push-pull pair is itself biased as Class A. Confused? Don't feel badly, many professionals get this distinction confused. Most push pull amplifiers are biased between Classes A and B, and are thus designated Class AB. You will find considerable disagreement on these points, but only from advertisers, blow hards, egotists, guys who love to argue for the sake of arguing (or to be the center of attention) and beginners. The only determinants of audio amplifier quality are the designer's skill, component quality and the designers' design choices. Some of the best amplifiers I've heard have been Class A (a particular Thordarson comes to mind) whiled some of the worst amplifiers I've heard are also Class A. The finest amplifier I've ever heard was a one- of-a-kind Westrex theater amplifier -- it was Class B! Please as me for a list of my favorite power amplifiers because my amplifier designs are my favorites, with the exception of a few Westrex, Thordarson, McIntosh, and Crown models. The STASIS isn't a true class A because it is a push-pull (actually Class AB), although I believe its output devices are biased much closer to Class A than to Class B. The sterility you are perceiving in the STASIS is likely the result of a high degree of inverse feedback applied to the amplifier. There was a design fad for too many years to designing an amplifier that had extreme gain, was biased "hot" (closer to Class A than Class B) then had massive amounts of inverse feedback applied. This result in an amplifier with quite impressive specs, that was dead quiet and that had magnificent square wave response on an oscilloscope -- but to many listeners these amplifiers sound harsh, sterile, critical and fatiguing. For the sake of balance, some listeners love these very same amplifiers and are blown away but the clarity, speed, harmonic purity, incredible detail and extremely low distortion. Both points of view are equally valid, and merely reflect the tastes of the individual listener. Unfortunately, some who express an opinion on amplifier sound put forth their opinions as facts, and give themselves pretentious labels (like "scientific" or "objectivist") while seeking to diminish the opinions differing from theirs as "subjective." Such persons merely distract from real issues while demonstrating both their egos and their non-rigorous minds. Hearing is one of the five human senses, and as such is always subjective, so being labelled as subjective is irrelevant; it comes under the heading of, "Yes, and so what? We all are!" what I love most about audio is that no matter what your equipment sounds like, someone will like its sound! there's room for every conceivable sound, every technology and every approach! It is one of the few fields of endeavor where truly there is no right or wrong, no one "best" (another invention of marketers and egotists). On May 4, 2008, at 9:07 PM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my then-recently-acquired > vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some vintage > KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs. > > The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always > dangerous)... > > I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you who > don't know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier technology > that was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed from > Threshold, the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the time. > The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, Class A > amps are the "purest" form of amplification because the output > signal is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input > signal...only louder, of course. > > Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided to do a > head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. > > I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the vintage > KLH pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio model 7A > monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really deserving of > "audiophile" status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes speakers > that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't sound > bad, either. > > After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly shocked. > > The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but MUCH, > MUCH better. There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's sound > was warm and powerful, with excellent control over the upper > frequencies. In my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or treble > with no real character to it and merely lots of sibilance instead, > is a hallmark of a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. When > bad treble is present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate it. > The sound of the Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I got a > sense that the different instruments were really occupying their own > places in the stereo image. > > In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very clinical. > It's as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy, and it > overshot the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. I never > got the sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The Nakamichi > was pretty good with tape sources, since its "clinical" sound helped > to combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but in just > about every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the Pioneer. > The Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it clarity and > warmth, whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be "doing its job", > with no real "feeling" (for lack of a better word). > > Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I > listen to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and for > movies it sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie theater > low-end. I suppose that the increased output and headroom does make > a difference in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does make a > difference. But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH > difference there is between the two Nakamichi receivers--and how > much better the Pioneer sounds than either of them. > > In all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I didn't > want preferential tone settings to color my impression. > > I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference in the > sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I DID hear > a difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer. > > And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a Pioneer > SX-750 that is better still! > > If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer when > it comes to cassette decks! :-) > > > *andy* > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? 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URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue May 6 13:41:07 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 06:41:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <8E5A89BB-76A0-49F5-AE61-19E9C6C9F8BD@kvglabs.com> References: <050520080207.10957.481E6BFF00068E6C00002ACD22155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8E5A89BB-76A0-49F5-AE61-19E9C6C9F8BD@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <482043D3.30206@marrscommunications.com> Hello Kermit Although we never met or even had a conversation, I can tell from your post to Andy you are one in a Million. Bravo! As bright as some audiophiles are, 99% of them have tunnel vision and can't see the forest for the trees. Being a audiophile for 40 years, with a similar background of selling, servicing, upgrading and tweaking, I learned a long time ago to "see through" new buzz words and fancy terminology from the manufacturers. All anyone has to know are the basic theory of electronics, be skeptical of new terminology, and most importantly look at the forest, not the tree's! Slew factor was a hot subject a decade ago. I very seldom see it mentioned in ads today, although the specification is usually listed. The absolutely best sounding amplifier, pre amplifier, speakers, phono cartridge et, are the one's that absolutely sound the best to you! Bravo ! Fred M. Kermit Gray wrote: > Hey Andy, > > As a former Pioneer dealer, you made my day! (Sold Nakamichi too, > albeit briefly.) > > Audio equipment advertisers have over-used and misused the term > "Class A" over the years and have promulgated a myth based on the > generalization that Class A is the best sound around. By the way, > only some theories of amplifier design describe Class A as the best > sound, other theories demonstrate Class B amplifiers as theoretically > superior because of increased efficiency that allows the > implementation of greater inverse feedback without ill effect. Class > A amplifiers are biased to conduct a signal for the entire cycle, a > Class B amplifier conducts a signal for only half the cycle and a > Class C amplifier conducts a signal only on the peaks. Class A is the > least efficient, Class C the most, but Class C is found only in radio > transmitters. If an amplifier is operating push-pull it cannot be > pure Class A, as each device in the pair conducts only half the wave > form, even if each device in the push-pull pair is itself biased as > Class A. Confused? Don't feel badly, many professionals get this > distinction confused. Most push pull amplifiers are biased between > Classes A and B, and are thus designated Class AB. You will find > considerable disagreement on these points, but only from advertisers, > blow hards, egotists, guys who love to argue for the sake of arguing > (or to be the center of attention) and beginners. > > The only determinants of audio amplifier quality are the designer's > skill, component quality and the designers' design choices. Some of > the best amplifiers I've heard have been Class A (a particular > Thordarson comes to mind) whiled some of the worst amplifiers I've > heard are also Class A. The finest amplifier I've ever heard was a > one- of-a-kind Westrex theater amplifier -- it was Class B! Please as > me for a list of my favorite power amplifiers because my amplifier > designs are my favorites, with the exception of a few Westrex, > Thordarson, McIntosh, and Crown models. > > The STASIS isn't a true class A because it is a push-pull (actually > Class AB), although I believe its output devices are biased much > closer to Class A than to Class B. > > The sterility you are perceiving in the STASIS is likely the result > of a high degree of inverse feedback applied to the amplifier. There > was a design fad for too many years to designing an amplifier that > had extreme gain, was biased "hot" (closer to Class A than Class B) > then had massive amounts of inverse feedback applied. This result in > an amplifier with quite impressive specs, that was dead quiet and > that had magnificent square wave response on an oscilloscope -- but > to many listeners these amplifiers sound harsh, sterile, critical > and fatiguing. For the sake of balance, some listeners love these > very same amplifiers and are blown away but the clarity, speed, > harmonic purity, incredible detail and extremely low distortion. Both > points of view are equally valid, and merely reflect the tastes of > the individual listener. Unfortunately, some who express an opinion > on amplifier sound put forth their opinions as facts, and give > themselves pretentious labels (like "scientific" or "objectivist") > while seeking to diminish the opinions differing from theirs as > "subjective." Such persons merely distract from real issues while > demonstrating both their egos and their non-rigorous minds. Hearing > is one of the five human senses, and as such is always subjective, so > being labelled as subjective is irrelevant; it comes under the > heading of, "Yes, and so what? We all are!" what I love most about > audio is that no matter what your equipment sounds like, someone will > like its sound! there's room for every conceivable sound, every > technology and every approach! It is one of the few fields of > endeavor where truly there is no right or wrong, no one "best" > (another invention of marketers and egotists). > > On May 4, 2008, at 9:07 PM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > >> >> A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my then-recently-acquired >> vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some vintage >> KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs. >> >> The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always >> dangerous)... >> >> I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you who >> don't know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier technology >> that was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed from >> Threshold, the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the time. >> The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, Class A >> amps are the "purest" form of amplification because the output >> signal is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input >> signal...only louder, of course. >> >> Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided to do a >> head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. >> >> I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the vintage >> KLH pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio model 7A >> monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really deserving of >> "audiophile" status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes speakers >> that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't sound >> bad, either. >> >> After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly shocked. >> >> The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but MUCH, >> MUCH better. There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's sound >> was warm and powerful, with excellent control over the upper >> frequencies. In my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or treble >> with no real character to it and merely lots of sibilance instead, >> is a hallmark of a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. When >> bad treble is present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate it. >> The sound of the Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I got a >> sense that the different instruments were really occupying their own >> places in the stereo image. >> >> In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very clinical. >> It's as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy, and it >> overshot the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. I never >> got the sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The Nakamichi >> was pretty good with tape sources, since its "clinical" sound helped >> to combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but in just >> about every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the Pioneer. >> The Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it clarity and >> warmth, whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be "doing its job", >> with no real "feeling" (for lack of a better word). >> >> Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I >> listen to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and for >> movies it sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie theater >> low-end. I suppose that the increased output and headroom does make >> a difference in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does make a >> difference. But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH >> difference there is between the two Nakamichi receivers--and how >> much better the Pioneer sounds than either of them. >> >> In all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I didn't >> want preferential tone settings to color my impression. >> >> I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference in the >> sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I DID hear >> a difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer. >> >> And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a Pioneer >> SX-750 that is better still! >> >> If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer when >> it comes to cassette decks! :-) >> >> >> *andy* >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Tue May 6 11:56:03 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:56:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-4 Only Recording on one channel, need help! Message-ID: Hi Tom, I did not use Luis' tapes to align the recording head, I just used them for aligning the playback head. What I meant was that when I purchased the tapes from Luis he also kindly sent me a CD with test tones on it for the purpose of aligning the recording head so I used the 400Hz and 15KHz test tones on that CD. Although, you and Luis have suggested to use 1KHz 0db to align the recording head height, but on all the service manuals that I have got for my decks, the tone suggested by Nakamichi to use for this purpose is 400Hz. Any special reason to use the 1KHz tone for it? As I have mentioned before when I tried to align the recording head using the test tones from the CD, I could get a decent voltage only on the Left channel, the voltage on the Right channel was insignificant/very very low. I tried truning the recording head height gear even to its maximum on each direction just to see if at any point the voltage on the Right channel would increase but no such luck. So in the end I just aligned the recording head height and azimuth to a position where it generated the maximum voltage on the Left channel (the only working channel) and I did repeat these steps three or four times. After doing all that I was convinced that it could not be just the head mis-alignment so logically thinking I could only come up with the following few possible causes (I could be totally wrong as I have no experience of Nak repair): 1. It could be that the deck requires basic Bias and Level calibration or just the Bias calibration on the PCB? 2. It could be that the wire/wires connecting the recording head to the PCB have been damaged/disconnected by accident (I had to take the mech assembly out to service the cam motor last month, though I was careful, accidents could happen)? 3. It could be a faulty component somewhere on the recording PCB path? I can check the wires leading to the recording head by taking out the mech assembly again. I could also try to calibrate the Bias, but will definitely need help doing that. I have got a db voltmeter if that is required for this job and a service manual for the CR-4. I have read the procedure for Bias/Level calibration but could not completely understand it so never tried it on any of my other decks. But I am sure I could do that with a little guidance from experienced fellow members like yourself. So what do think of the above? Kindly let me know your views, I will appreciate your feedback. Thanks & best regards, ~Nadeem~ Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 08:38:20 -0500From: hitech77 at earthlink.netTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] CR-4 Only Recording on one channel, need help! Nadeem, Please give more detail about how you used LPs tapes to align the Record head. In all cases, the play head is aligned by the test tape, and then the record head is aligned while monitoring play during the Record process.If that is indeed what you did, then I am 95% certain the record head height is incorrect. Center the bias and level controls. Load any type tape. Record 1kHz at 0 Vu, and turn the middle white gear that couples to two gears. Set this for maximum AND equal output. Then adjust the record azimuth screw to maximize level, and then tweek the height. Now, switch to 15kHz at -20Vu, and adjust azimuth for peak. At this point, if the levels are still unmatched, the record head tilt, or some other electronic problem needs the attention of a service shop.tom brucker _________________________________________________________________ Win Indiana Jones prizes with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orders at pennysconstruction.com Tue May 6 15:50:47 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 08:50:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes References: <2260.1209153383@cableone.net> <032E5588-57FE-494F-877A-6281F8BCE490@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <466AF7C7473E40789098E4F334C41702@number2> Further proof why I can't get anything done. I've spent 5 or 6 hours googling bulk erasers and degaussers looking for directions, guides, specs and things. There is not much out there. Here is a good web page http://www.degaussers.net/whydegauss.asp and this page copied most of the info, but they also edited out the crap. http://www.peripheralstorage.com/html/why_degauss_.html I'm looking for something that erases reels, beta, vhs and cassettes, including metal tapes. All the used models people mentioned here on naktalk have no instructions. There have been a few new hand held models pop up on ebay, and those would have instructions. Thanks Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit Gray" To: ; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reusing tapes > Reusing tapes is fine. Bulk erasure, assuming a high-quality unit, is > better than erasing on the recorder itself because it reduces the noise > of the cassette back to its like-new blank condition. I use a > 1968-vintage "Gibson Girl" countertop studio and broadcast quality bulk > tape eraser that can bring even 16-inch diameter, 2-inch videotapes back > to like-new noise levels. Out of curiosity, I once put a cheap mechanical > wristwatch on it and switched it on -- it wrecked the watch's movement! A > few years ago, I erased a hard drive on my bulk eraser for security > purposes. This is one powerful bulk eraser! > > Lesser quality bulk erasers, though, may only erase to the same noise > depth as the deck itself can, but at least that saves wear on the deck. > The better hand held models, like Nortronics or Geneva, can erase a > cassette tape better than the cassette deck can, but sometimes only by 3 > dB (depending on the cassette deck being compared). > > Also, bulk erasure will eliminate remnants of recording between the > tracks that can occur if the tape was made on a different brand deck than > what you own, especially if the tape was made on a mono cassette > recorder. > > On Apr 25, 2008, at 2:56 PM, mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> What is the collective wisdom on re-recording cassette tapes? Use a bulk >> eraser >> first? Just let the erase head do its job? Don't reuse cassettes? I >> found some very >> nice Maxell MX and Sony SR metal tapes at a garage sale, and I'd like to >> record >> over what's on them in the best way. >> >> Thanks! >> ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue May 6 15:04:12 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 09:04:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <8E5A89BB-76A0-49F5-AE61-19E9C6C9F8BD@kvglabs.com> References: <050520080207.10957.481E6BFF00068E6C00002ACD22155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8E5A89BB-76A0-49F5-AE61-19E9C6C9F8BD@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <4820574C.8040104@rcn.com> Kermit Gray wrote: > Hey Andy, > > By the way, only > some theories of amplifier design describe Class A as the best sound, > other theories demonstrate Class B amplifiers as theoretically superior > because of increased efficiency that allows the implementation of > greater inverse feedback without ill effect. There is no question that (at least, in theory) class A provides the best sound. Other classes do have higher efficiency which, unfortunately, has nothing (as in ZERO) to do with sonic quality. Applying negative feedback 'without ill effect' has nothing to do with efficiency and can be equally effective for any amplifier class. > [....] > > If an > amplifier is operating push-pull it cannot be pure Class A, as each > device in the pair conducts only half the wave form, Not so. In a push-pull class A amp, each device amplifies during the complete cycle. If 'each device in the pair conducts only half the wave form', then the amp is a class B amp. Bottom line: the operation class choice is but one of a multitude of choices an amp designer has to make. Different designers will make different choices. The determining consideration is the MRD (Market Requirements Document) issued by Management, upon which those choices depend. If 'best sonics humanly possible' is the top requirement, class A will likely be the final choice. If price is a consideration, class A will probably be ruled out. -- Ron > even if each device > in the push-pull pair is itself biased as Class A. Confused? Don't feel > badly, many professionals get this distinction confused. Most push pull > amplifiers are biased between Classes A and B, and are thus designated > Class AB. You will find considerable disagreement on these points, but > only from advertisers, blow hards, egotists, guys who love to argue for > the sake of arguing (or to be the center of attention) and beginners. > > The only determinants of audio amplifier quality are the designer's > skill, component quality and the designers' design choices. Some of the > best amplifiers I've heard have been Class A (a particular Thordarson > comes to mind) whiled some of the worst amplifiers I've heard are also > Class A. The finest amplifier I've ever heard was a one-of-a-kind > Westrex theater amplifier -- it was Class B! Please as me for a list of > my favorite power amplifiers because my amplifier designs are my > favorites, with the exception of a few Westrex, Thordarson, McIntosh, > and Crown models. > > The STASIS isn't a true class A because it is a push-pull (actually > Class AB), although I believe its output devices are biased much closer > to Class A than to Class B. > > The sterility you are perceiving in the STASIS is likely the result of a > high degree of inverse feedback applied to the amplifier. There was a > design fad for too many years to designing an amplifier that had extreme > gain, was biased "hot" (closer to Class A than Class B) then had massive > amounts of inverse feedback applied. This result in an amplifier with > quite impressive specs, that was dead quiet and that had magnificent > square wave response on an oscilloscope -- but to many listeners these > amplifiers sound harsh, sterile, critical and fatiguing. For the sake > of balance, some listeners love these very same amplifiers and are blown > away but the clarity, speed, harmonic purity, incredible detail and > extremely low distortion. Both points of view are equally valid, and > merely reflect the tastes of the individual listener. Unfortunately, > some who express an opinion on amplifier sound put forth their opinions > as facts, and give themselves pretentious labels (like "scientific" or > "objectivist") while seeking to diminish the opinions differing from > theirs as "subjective." Such persons merely distract from real issues > while demonstrating both their egos and their non-rigorous minds. > Hearing is one of the five human senses, and as such is always > subjective, so being labelled as subjective is irrelevant; it comes > under the heading of, "Yes, and so what? We all are!" what I love most > about audio is that no matter what your equipment sounds like, someone > will like its sound! there's room for every conceivable sound, every > technology and every approach! It is one of the few fields of endeavor > where truly there is no right or wrong, no one "best" (another invention > of marketers and egotists). > > On May 4, 2008, at 9:07 PM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > >> >> A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my then-recently-acquired >> vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some vintage >> KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs. >> >> The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always >> dangerous)... >> >> I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you who don't >> know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier technology that >> was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed from Threshold, >> the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the time. The STASIS amp >> is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, Class A amps are the >> "purest" form of amplification because the output signal is supposed >> to be an exact duplicate of the input signal...only louder, of course. >> >> Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided to do a >> head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. >> >> I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the vintage KLH >> pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio model 7A >> monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really deserving of >> "audiophile" status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes speakers >> that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't sound >> bad, either. >> >> After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly shocked. >> >> The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but MUCH, MUCH >> better. There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's sound was warm >> and powerful, with excellent control over the upper frequencies. In >> my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or treble with no real >> character to it and merely lots of sibilance instead, is a hallmark of >> a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. When bad treble is >> present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate it. The sound of the >> Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I got a sense that the >> different instruments were really occupying their own places in the >> stereo image. >> >> In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very clinical. It's >> as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy, and it overshot >> the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. I never got the >> sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The Nakamichi was >> pretty good with tape sources, since its "clinical" sound helped to >> combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but in just about >> every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the Pioneer. The >> Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it clarity and warmth, >> whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be "doing its job", with no real >> "feeling" (for lack of a better word). >> >> Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I listen >> to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and for movies it >> sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie theater low-end. I >> suppose that the increased output and headroom does make a difference >> in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does make a difference. >> But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH difference there is >> between the two Nakamichi receivers--and how much better the Pioneer >> sounds than either of them. >> >> In all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I didn't >> want preferential tone settings to color my impression. >> >> I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference in the >> sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I DID hear a >> difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer. >> >> And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a Pioneer >> SX-750 that is better still! >> >> If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer when it >> comes to cassette decks! :-) >> >> >> *andy* >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed May 7 09:35:08 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:35:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery - Sugden A21 amps for your Nak In-Reply-To: <4820574C.8040104@rcn.com> Message-ID: You can pick up an early Sugden A21 Class A amp for around £150 ($300) and they sound gorgeous. Better by a whisker than the later A/B A21 or the A48. I thought the A48 was good value (you can guy them for about the same price) but the old A21's pass the female voice test as well as a Chord or Krell, IMO. AT that price, what can you lose to try out one of these amps? Esp, as you will know you'll sell if for around what you pay for it! The new versions of the A21 sell for upwards of $2k, but I am told the improvements in sound between the new and the old are quite small Only problem ... Most of the A21's still have the original DIN sockets for your Nak. Gra' If 'best sonics humanly possible' is the top requirement, class A will likely be the final choice. If price is a consideration, class A will probably be ruled out. -- Ron From benstratford at aol.co.uk Wed May 7 02:16:58 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 20:16:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Talkin' tape In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA7DEECC6C6594-1720-2C@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com> I also agree Jeff - TDK AD are excellent, Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 6 May 2008 4:03 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Talkin' tape In a message dated 5/5/2008 9:00:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: Now you're talkin'. I'm a scrounger. Any Maxell will be fine. Sonys and TDKs tend to loose their labels, and there was a generation of green stripe SAs that lost tape lubricant. If you find genuine Chrome, such as Scotch or BASF, those are very nice. I avoid all Scotch, Ampex, and Memorex but I'm not entirely sure why. Habit? Fuji is ok as are stuff like Hitachi or Nakamichi ... Japanese manufacturers supplied TDK or Maxell as private labels.? ? I would also pick up UDXL-I tapes. Normal bias tapes are not very noteworthy, but UDXL-I is fantastic for classical small ensemble, voice, and organ.? If you've never tried an EX tape you will find there is a trade off between natural sound and hiss...more of each! tom brucker I'd ditto that about UDXL-1 and I'd also suggest TDK AD. Right now where I live, tapes at 25 cents apiece at garage sales - there's never been a better time to collect tapes. ? Jeff W Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrm12000 at cableone.net Wed May 7 03:16:04 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 18:16:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes Message-ID: <2841.1210122964@cableone.net> I purchased a Geneva PF250 from someone on eBay -- I'm still waiting for it to arrive. It's a 3000-gauss tabletop model, so it should erase everything you mention. There is a Dictaphone unit for sale right now that looks identical to the Geneva. It's likely a rebadged unit. The Geneva costs over $300 new, but this Dictaphone model is at $21.50 right now with less than a day to go. http://cgi.ebay.com/Dictaphone-Audio-Video-Bulk-Tape-Eraser- Professional_W0QQitemZ180238376738QQihZ008QQcategoryZ15000QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem I have the directions for the Geneva PF250 in Word format (got them from Geneva) and would be happy to send them to you if you decide to bid on the Dictaphone. On Tue May 6 13:50 , 'orders at pennysconstruction' sent: >Further proof why I can't get anything done. I've spent 5 or 6 hours >googling bulk erasers and degaussers looking for directions, guides, specs >and things. There is not much out there. >Here is a good web page >http://www.degaussers.net/whydegauss.asp >and this page copied most of the info, but they also edited out the crap. >http://www.peripheralstorage.com/html/why_degauss_.html > >I'm looking for something that erases reels, beta, vhs and cassettes, >including metal tapes. All the used models people mentioned here on naktalk >have no instructions. There have been a few new hand held models pop up on >ebay, and those would have instructions. >Thanks Mike > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kermit Gray" notarbene at kvglabs.com> >To: mrm12000 at cableone.net>; "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >naktalk at naks.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 1:36 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reusing tapes > > >> Reusing tapes is fine. Bulk erasure, assuming a high-quality unit, is >> better than erasing on the recorder itself because it reduces the noise >> of the cassette back to its like-new blank condition. I use a >> 1968-vintage "Gibson Girl" countertop studio and broadcast quality bulk >> tape eraser that can bring even 16-inch diameter, 2-inch videotapes back >> to like-new noise levels. Out of curiosity, I once put a cheap mechanical >> wristwatch on it and switched it on -- it wrecked the watch's movement! A >> few years ago, I erased a hard drive on my bulk eraser for security >> purposes. This is one powerful bulk eraser! >> >> Lesser quality bulk erasers, though, may only erase to the same noise >> depth as the deck itself can, but at least that saves wear on the deck. >> The better hand held models, like Nortronics or Geneva, can erase a >> cassette tape better than the cassette deck can, but sometimes only by 3 >> dB (depending on the cassette deck being compared). >> >> Also, bulk erasure will eliminate remnants of recording between the >> tracks that can occur if the tape was made on a different brand deck than >> what you own, especially if the tape was made on a mono cassette >> recorder. >> >> On Apr 25, 2008, at 2:56 PM, mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> What is the collective wisdom on re-recording cassette tapes? Use a bulk >>> eraser >>> first? Just let the erase head do its job? Don't reuse cassettes? I >>> found some very >>> nice Maxell MX and Sony SR metal tapes at a garage sale, and I'd like to >>> record >>> over what's on them in the best way. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> -- Kermit Gray >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >> Skype ID: triodelicacy >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 7 04:17:33 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 22:17:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <050620081311.110.482058F2000266C40000006E22155612649C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <050620081311.110.482058F2000266C40000006E22155612649C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4821113D.9020600@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Ron: > > You misunderstood my post. I should have been clearer. > > Both sets of speakers were at times hooked up to both receivers, the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. > > In other words, I did *four* listening tests (2 sets of speakers X 2 receivers). Ahh... Thanks for the clarification. > While I didn't hook either receiver up to a 'scope or anything like that, I can verify that both receivers seem to be functioning perfectly. The Nakamichi receiver is absolutely MINT, not a mark on it, with very low hours. > > I didn't mean to imply that the Nakamichi's sound was thin to the point of questioning its health, or that the Nakamichi's volume was not loud (it IS loud, believe me), but rather I was trying to illustrate as best I could that the Nakamichi's sound was very noticeably unsatisfying compared to the sound of the Pioneer. Well then, if we assume that the equipment was in good health, we must conclude that the test was not necessarily about the relative sonic performance, but, rather, about your personal taste and some other listener would have come to a different (maybe, opposite) conclusion? For example, my own taste runs into what's generally called 'transparent', 'accurate' or 'analytical'. I happen to also have two different vintage Marantz receivers whose sound is on the 'warm' or 'rich' side. I seriously prefer the Nak RE-2's sound, while someone else (possibly, you) may prefer the Marantz 2270. If we agree that an amp should never modify the signal (except for amplifying it), then I feel the Nak is the far better receiver. OTOH, if your view is that an amp's job is to please your particular taste, I suspect you will prefer the Marantz receivers. -- Ron > > I guess another way to put it would be that if I had nothing to listen to but the Nakamichi, I would probably be satisfied...UNTIL I heard the Pioneer, and heard what I had been missing. > > > *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed May 7 03:43:33 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 01:43:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery Message-ID: <050720080143.23207.482109450009F21700005AA722165486869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Hi, Kermit: Believe it or not, I actually followed just about everything you had to say about the different classes of amplifier, as I have done reading on this same subject and find it fascinating (he said, as he adjusted his pocket protector....) Well, it's true! I *do* find this fascinating! One question: When you say "inverse feedback", is that another way of saying "negative feedback"? And is it your assertion that Class A amplifier designers like to be able to use greater inverse feedback simply to make the amp look better on the spec sheet, with little regard for "real world" sound? In my opinion, if they did apply a high degree of inverse feedback just to obtain better frequency response figures, this was a mistake. I'd much rather have the extra headroom. *andy* From alexcozac at hotmail.com Wed May 7 05:55:21 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 03:55:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil.............. In-Reply-To: References: <050520081149.1829.481EF45B000425B00000072522155612649C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <5FB420B5-3C4A-4013-8EE2-B3AD772BC012@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve! YES...YES...YES....now I remember well; you are 100% right...ROBERTS! At my 65 years old...it's time to be confused a little bit!!!. Thanks so much for recalling me so! Peace, Alex! From: emberphoto at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil..............Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:50:56 -0400 Hi Alex and all assembled ears, I think you may be confusing Robins with Roberts, which was indeed the American branding for Akai open reel decks for a while...unless Robins was also re-badging an Akai product. Cheers, Steve From: alexcozac at hotmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil..............Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 03:41:45 +0000 Hi kermit & Andy, BTW...Robins in fact was the "American" renamed at that epoch for Akai products...? I'm correct?. So my passed away lovely daddy who own such "Gray' color bulk eraser...is exactly this US Robins/Europe Akai?. Please, clarify me this issue? Thanks a lot & both of you be well! Peace,ALEX! > From: notarbene at kvglabs.com> To: hwbosshoss at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil..............> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:31:00 -0500> CC: naktalk at naks.com> > Yes, it should although I've ne'er tried it with metal cassettes.> > On May 5, 2008, at 6:49 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote:> > >> > Kermit:> >> > Based on your comments, I can assume that the Robins TM-77 bulk > > eraser will do a good job on cassettes, correct?> >> >> > *andy*> > -- Kermit Gray> notarbene at kvglabs.com> KVG Laboratories> Equipment to Make Your Music Better> 16371 Lake Point Drive> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA> Telephone: 913-422-0957> Skype ID: triodelicacy> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. 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Sonys and TDKs tend to loose their labels, and there was a generation of green stripe SAs that lost tape lubricant. If you find genuine Chrome, such as Scotch or BASF, those are very nice. I avoid all Scotch, Ampex, and Memorex but I'm not entirely sure why. Habit? Fuji is ok as are stuff like Hitachi or Nakamichi ... Japanese manufacturers supplied TDK or Maxell as private labels.? ? I would also pick up UDXL-I tapes. Normal bias tapes are not very noteworthy, but UDXL-I is fantastic for classical small ensemble, voice, and organ.? If you've never tried an EX tape you will find there is a trade off between natural sound and hiss...more of each! tom brucker I'd ditto that about UDXL-1 and I'd also suggest TDK AD. Right now where I live, tapes at 25 cents apiece at garage sales - there's never been a better time to collect tapes. ? Jeff W Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? 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The Nakamichi receiver is absolutely MINT, not a mark on it, with very low hours. > > I didn't mean to imply that the Nakamichi's sound was thin to the point of questioning its health, or that the Nakamichi's volume was not loud (it IS loud, believe me), but rather I was trying to illustrate as best I could that the Nakamichi's sound was very noticeably unsatisfying compared to the sound of the Pioneer. Well then, if we assume that the equipment was in good health, we must conclude that the test was not necessarily about the relative sonic performance, but, rather, about your personal taste and some other listener would have come to a different (maybe, opposite) conclusion? For example, my own taste runs into what's generally called 'transparent', 'accurate' or 'analytical'. I happen to also have two different vintage Marantz receivers whose sound is on the 'warm' or 'rich' side. I seriously prefer the Nak RE-2's sound, while someone else (possibly, you) may prefer the Marantz 2270. If we agree that an amp should never modify the signal (except for amplifying it), then I feel the Nak is the far better receiver. OTOH, if your view is that an amp's job is to please your particular taste, I suspect you will prefer the Marantz receivers. -- Ron > > I guess another way to put it would be that if I had nothing to listen to but the Nakamichi, I would probably be satisfied...UNTIL I heard the Pioneer, and heard what I had been missing. > > > *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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URL: From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed May 7 14:12:25 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 12:12:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery Message-ID: <050720081212.4890.48219CA900038D530000131A22155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> GREAT post, ddino77! Very well said, especially this: " 'Best' means absolutely nothing if its context is confused by emotions and even then what are the parameters? " I think you made some great points. It's funny, because I have actually had a bias AGAINST Pioneer for many years. I guess it's because I had the misfortune of having too much experience with their lower-end merchandise. No, I hadn't actually owned any Pioneer gear up to this point, but I had fiddled with it, at friends' houses or on store shelves, and was distinctly unimpressed. To be quite clear, I am referring here to Pioneer's NON-vintage, NON-higher-end stuff. I'm talking about the "department store" stuff, made after the audio heydays of the 1970's/early 1980's. I just hated the Pioneer components I had seen, and got it into my head that Nakamichi and other high-priced brands like it were "the good stuff" and relegated Pioneer to "also-ran" status. I once WAS impressed, very much so, by some Pioneer Elite components at the local high-end hi-fi salon, but that was as far as my devotion to the Pioneer name had ever gone. I came across the Pioneer SX-780 locally at a decent price. When I bought it, I had originally intended to clean it, fix whatever needed fixing, and then re-sell it. But then I had dimly recalled that some of the "SX" receivers were actually very highly regarded. I did some research, and found that yes, indeed, SX series receivers from this era WERE great performers and very collectible. So I decided to keep it for a while, just to see if Pioneer could redeem itself in my eyes/ears. To my surprise, Pioneer DID redeem itself. I have been feeding my SX-780 all sorts of program material, from classical to jazz to Beatles to hard rock...you name it. Every single time I have been very impressed with the sonics and immensely satisfied with the overall tone and balance of the amplifier. I can really see why these SX series receivers remain so popular. I have now been turned into a genuine Pioneer fan. I have now picked up a MINT SX-750 that is even better than the SX-780 I have enjoyed so much. I suppose I have really been unfair to the Pioneer name. Yes, they did make--and continue to make--sub-standard components, but at one time, Pioneer were just as serious about audio as any of them. It just depends on what era components you look at. Heck, nowadays even Nakamichi can't say that they ALWAYS made top quality! *andy* From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 7 15:46:01 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 09:46:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <050720080143.23207.482109450009F21700005AA722165486869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <050720080143.23207.482109450009F21700005AA722165486869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4821B299.3020204@rcn.com> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > Hi, Kermit: > > Believe it or not, I actually followed just about everything you had to say about the different classes of amplifier, as I have done reading on this same subject and find it fascinating (he said, as he adjusted his pocket protector....) > > Well, it's true! I *do* find this fascinating! > > One question: When you say "inverse feedback", is that another way of saying "negative feedback"? He does, though 'negative feedback' is preferable. > And is it your assertion that Class A amplifier designers like to be able to use greater inverse feedback simply to make the amp look better on the spec sheet, with little regard for "real world" sound? He stated that class A amps will tolerate higher negative feedback 'with no ill effects'. This is not true. The maximum tolerable negative feedback depends on the required stability and circuit characteristics and has *nothing* to do with the amp class. > In my opinion, if they did apply a high degree of inverse feedback just to obtain better frequency response figures, this was a mistake. I'd much rather have the extra headroom. The trade off is best performance (the more NFB the better) and stability (the less NFB the better). In general, the design engineer will apply as much negative feedback as possible, while still maintaining stability. At the same time, he -- or she -- will make sure that stability is maintained under unusual conditions, such as clipping, slew rate limitations, etc. This is one of the more time consuming tasks in amplifier design, as all amps have frequency dependent phase shifts in both the main amplifying path and the feedback path itself. These can cause the feedback to become positive at some frequencies under some operating conditions, leading to undesirable effects (such as lousy sound :-) ). -- Ron > > *andy* From lenaw at flash.net Wed May 7 16:25:07 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 07:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Service Manual In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <481693.14105.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dave: So far I cannot be able to find a copy as well. Since my problem is around the headphone volume control board and its associated cables, Forum members Victor Gabrena and Scott Johnson have kindly provided me with the schematic copy of that section and I ohm them out on the main board to get the correct connections. You can contact both to see whether they can be able to send you a electronic copy. Thanks. Regards, Mike Dave Bowley wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Mike If U manage to acquire one is there any chance that U could fwd me a copy too. I tried a couple of months ago to acquire one thru the forum but that time without success Thanks Dave --------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:52:32 -0700 From: lenaw at flash.net To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Service Manual Hi: Anybody has an electronic copy of the MR-1 service manual that can share? Thanks. Regards, Mike --------------------------------- Messenger's gone Mobile! Get it now! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu May 8 01:57:19 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 16:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <632933.99460.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So far the 682ZX does not seem to be moving up yet !!!! Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 5/6/2008 5:18:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ddino77 at bellsouth.net writes: Excellent discussion. And now a word from the friendly neighborhood curmudgeon. Ah yes, the ol' designer/engineer's dilemma. Take a little salt here, put a little more sugar there. All this proves is that there is no best design. Just lots of choices. Hmm, there's always the possibility that Andy is dissing the Nak SR-3 (and the other Stasis receivers) to drive the price down on eBay so he can buy more. Ever since we recommended the 610 as the best tape preamp, the prices have at least doubled for that model on eBay. Remember that awful deck, the 682ZX? Jeff W --------------------------------- Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rayr0683 at comcast.net Thu May 8 02:00:15 2008 From: rayr0683 at comcast.net (rayr0683 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 00:00:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nelson Pass Message-ID: <050820080000.28655.4822428F000866DF00006FEF2215575114CCC8C0CF9D970E9D@comcast.net> Have to go with Nelson Pass, and Nakamichi on this one. Sometimes its true, a vintage peice and its memories touch the heart, but NO WAY does the Pioneer Receiver, any of them, touch the Nak Stasis Amp in this matchup. The statement someone else made was true, Pioneer Elite is another ballgame, but Id still side with Nak and Nelson. And ordinarily, its true, it would not be a receiver in the comparison, it would be Amplifier, or Integrated Amp. The Pioneer you mention isnt even the top of the line. I think your having a biased opinion here. Nelson Pass is a genius, and his technology lives on, take a look at his latest ventures, and prices. And yet the company is still very helpful, with customer support with products that he made years ago. This is 2 seperate leagues of quality, and your either hearing what you want to hear, or something isnt quite right with the components, or testing. I notice in different forums, there are alot of people attacking you, claiming that you ente r the forums just to get advice on how to fix something, or if there are common problems with different speakers, decks, receivers, etc... then disappear....So, I dont know if you are doing a truely fair and equal comparison.Andy, Im aware that you do repairs to an extent on certain decks, but there are alot of angry people in the Kenwood, and other vintage forums that are trying to pass the word to others, not to give you answers any longer on how to troubleshoot things you inquire about. I know of a RX-505 that you repaired, and its now tempremental to only one kind of blank tape. That isnt right at all. I have the same unit, maintained by Nakamichi, and I have alway been able to use any blank tape of my choice, with little or no bias adjustment, and the results from tape to tape varied very very little, the results of my recordings, have rivaled all of my Properly Calibrated and Spec'd out Reel to Reel Decks, including a Professional 2 Track Mastering deck, that had speeds of 1 5 and 30 ips. which was a brand new unit, and my other Open Reel units are all top of the heap, 1/2 track or 1/4 track, the Tandbergs being among the best, and Jeff Galin knows the Tandberg expert that put these decks to better than new, with all NOS Tandberg Parts and Mods, including new Tandberg Heads, rollers, etc..... My point is, I dont think that this is a fair and qualified comparison, if it were, there would be no contest, the Nak would blow away the Pioneer Receiver. Something is wrong. Ray From fripp_em at yahoo.com Thu May 8 02:20:59 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 17:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <896461.35802.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Don't the gray models bring much more on ebay than the silver model 610 because they sound more tube like? Or was it the other way around? --- On Wed, 5/7/08, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008, 9:11 AM > In a message dated 5/6/2008 5:18:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight > Time, > ddino77 at bellsouth.net writes: > > Excellent discussion. And now a word from the friendly > neighborhood > curmudgeon. Ah yes, the ol' designer/engineer's > dilemma. Take a little salt here, put > a little more sugar there. All this proves is that there is > no best design. > Just lots of choices. > > > > > Hmm, there's always the possibility that Andy is > dissing the Nak SR-3 (and > the other Stasis receivers) to drive the price down on eBay > so he can buy > more. Ever since we recommended the 610 as the best tape > preamp, the prices have > at least doubled for that model on eBay. Remember that > awful deck, the > 682ZX? > > Jeff W > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From rjlbjk at cox.net Thu May 8 02:50:56 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 20:50:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080508005052.MROT27061.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Oh yes, the pond scum sucking 682ZX... There's only one piece of Nakamichi equipment worst than the 682ZX and that would be the SR-3. Both are competing for all time WORST Nakamichi failure of all time. At 12:11 PM 5/7/2008, you wrote: >In a message dated 5/6/2008 5:18:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >ddino77 at bellsouth.net writes: >Excellent discussion. And now a word from the friendly neighborhood >curmudgeon. Ah yes, the ol' designer/engineer's dilemma. Take a >little salt here, put a little more sugar there. All this proves is >that there is no best design. Just lots of choices. > > >Hmm, there's always the possibility that Andy is dissing the Nak >SR-3 (and the other Stasis receivers) to drive the price down on >eBay so he can buy more. Ever since we recommended the 610 as the >best tape preamp, the prices have at least doubled for that model on >eBay. Remember that awful deck, the 682ZX? > >Jeff W > > > > >---------- >Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? >Get >new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu May 8 05:51:46 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Talkin' tape In-Reply-To: <8CA7E58E7CCA365-144C-30D8@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <491837.19247.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I prefer the XL-I to the AD. I have felt the AD is a tad more noisier and a little less bass responsive. This may very well be due to the decks I use these tapes on are calibrated to the Maxells. Ram badanth at aim.com wrote: Another vote for TDK AD... -----Original Message----- From: benstratford at aol.co.uk To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 6 May 2008 8:16 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Talkin' tape I also agree Jeff - TDK AD are excellent, Cheers, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 6 May 2008 4:03 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Talkin' tape In a message dated 5/5/2008 9:00:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: Now you're talkin'. I'm a scrounger. Any Maxell will be fine. Sonys and TDKs tend to loose their labels, and there was a generation of green stripe SAs that lost tape lubricant. If you find genuine Chrome, such as Scotch or BASF, those are very nice. I avoid all Scotch, Ampex, and Memorex but I'm not entirely sure why. Habit? Fuji is ok as are stuff like Hitachi or Nakamichi ... Japanese manufacturers supplied TDK or Maxell as private labels. I would also pick up UDXL-I tapes. Normal bias tapes are not very noteworthy, but UDXL-I is fantastic for classical small ensemble, voice, and organ. If you've never tried an EX tape you will find there is a trade off between natural sound and hiss...more of each! tom brucker I'd ditto that about UDXL-1 and I'd also suggest TDK AD. Right now where I live, tapes at 25 cents apiece at garage sales - there's never been a better time to collect tapes. Jeff W --------------------------------- Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? 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They manufactured the "Hand-d-Mag" one of the better head demagnetiizers, and sold magnetometers. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cozac Sent: May 6, 2008 10:55 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil.............. .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Hi Steve! YES...YES...YES....now I remember well; you are 100% right...ROBERTS! At my 65 years old...it's time to be confused a little bit!!!. Thanks so much for recalling me so! Peace, Alex! --------------------------------- From: emberphoto at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil.............. Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:50:56 -0400 .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Hi Alex and all assembled ears, I think you may be confusing Robins with Roberts, which was indeed the American branding for Akai open reel decks for a while...unless Robins was also re-badging an Akai product. Cheers, Steve --------------------------------- From: alexcozac at hotmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil.............. Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 03:41:45 +0000 .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Hi kermit & Andy, BTW...Robins in fact was the "American" renamed at that epoch for Akai products...? I'm correct?. So my passed away lovely daddy who own such "Gray' color bulk eraser...is exactly this US Robins/Europe Akai?. Please, clarify me this issue? Thanks a lot & both of you be well! Peace, ALEX! --------------------------------- > From: notarbene at kvglabs.com > To: hwbosshoss at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil.............. > Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 19:31:00 -0500 > CC: naktalk at naks.com > > Yes, it should although I've ne'er tried it with metal cassettes. > > On May 5, 2008, at 6:49 AM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > > > Kermit: > > > > Based on your comments, I can assume that the Robins TM-77 bulk > > eraser will do a good job on cassettes, correct? > > > > > > *andy* > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. 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URL: From robertweber at telus.net Thu May 8 07:00:01 2008 From: robertweber at telus.net (ROBERT WEBER) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 22:00:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 BELTS Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can purchase a belt for my BX 300. My Nak is 23 years old and works very well except it tends to damage the edges of the tape. I am told that this is due to a worn and loose belt. Well it is quite loose even though it still functions, but the tape edge damage is driving me nuts. Thank you. From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu May 8 11:57:41 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:57:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Talkin' tape In-Reply-To: <491837.19247.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8CA7E58E7CCA365-144C-30D8@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com> <491837.19247.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10805080257h5ff7da00xce0658a28554b5bb@mail.gmail.com> I find the TDK AR very good as well, although now as rare as good metals. On 5/8/08, shanti ramachandran wrote: > I prefer the XL-I to the AD. I have felt the AD is a tad more noisier and a > little less bass responsive. > > This may very well be due to the decks I use these tapes on are calibrated > to the Maxells. > > Ram > > badanth at aim.com wrote: > Another vote for TDK AD... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: benstratford at aol.co.uk > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tue, 6 May 2008 8:16 pm > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Talkin' tape > > I also agree Jeff - TDK AD are excellent, Cheers, Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bansijeff at aol.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tue, 6 May 2008 4:03 pm > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Talkin' tape > > > In a message dated 5/5/2008 9:00:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: > Now you're talkin'. I'm a scrounger. Any Maxell will be fine. Sonys and TDKs > tend to loose their labels, and there was a generation of green stripe SAs > that lost tape lubricant. If you find genuine Chrome, such as Scotch or > BASF, those are very nice. I avoid all Scotch, Ampex, and Memorex but I'm > not entirely sure why. Habit? Fuji is ok as are stuff like Hitachi or > Nakamichi ... Japanese manufacturers supplied TDK or Maxell as private > labels. > I would also pick up UDXL-I tapes. Normal bias tapes are not very > noteworthy, but UDXL-I is fantastic for classical small ensemble, voice, and > organ. If you've never tried an EX tape you will find there is a trade off > between natural sound and hiss...more of each! > > tom brucker > > I'd ditto that about UDXL-1 and I'd also suggest TDK AD. > Right now where I live, tapes at 25 cents apiece at garage sales - there's > never been a better time to collect tapes. > > Jeff W > > > ________________________________ > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at > AOL Food. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ________________________________ > Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ________________________________ > Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu May 8 16:49:49 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 09:49:49 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery Message-ID: <27408970.1210258189909.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is very thin, a good sign, and perhaps too narrow, but may turn out to be a good one. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu May 8 13:48:35 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 11:48:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery Message-ID: <050820081148.4231.4822E893000A95EC0000108722155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Jeff wrote: "Hmm, there's always the possibility that Andy is dissing the Nak SR-3 (and the other Stasis receivers) to drive the price down on eBay so he can buy more." Oh no, there's no chance of that. I have all of the receivers I need, Nak and otherwise! *andy* From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Thu May 8 15:27:26 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 13:27:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nelson Pass Message-ID: <050820081327.15283.4822FFBE0002F34E00003BB322155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Ray wrote: " I notice in different forums, there are alot of people attacking you, claiming that you enter the forums just to get advice on how to fix something, or if there are common problems with different speakers, decks, receivers, etc... then disappear...." Ray (and others): THIS IS NOT TRUE, not as it is written here. There is ONE audio forum (notice I didn't say "forumS") on the internet where ONE person--not "alot of people"--attacked me for what he perceived to be ingratitude on my part. For the record, I had a question about a Nakamichi receiver and failed to follow up with a "thank you" for the replies I received. The question I asked was NOT repair-related. I have to say that this is the ***ONLY*** time I ever failed to express gratitude, and this ONE person--not "alot of people"--jumped all over it. Several people came to my defense, to the point where the person who complained about me doesn't even post in that forum any more--at least he didn't the last time I checked. I am not sure how ONE person got magnified to "alot of people" in Ray's post, but we all know how tales can grow taller over time. Ray has gone on to imply that I routinely take in cassette decks (and other stereo items) with problems that I am unable to solve on my own. THIS IS NOT TRUE. I don't claim to be the world's foremost authority on Nakamichi decks--or anything else, for that matter. But I have done a LOT of reading, a LOT of tinkering, and a LOT of repairing. ON MY OWN. I'm proud of the work I do, and I have "alot of people" who have been very, very happy with my work. And unlike Ray, when I use the phrase "alot of people", I can provide a list of names and e-mail address that these "people" have given me permission to use as references. In other words, when *I* say "alot of people", I can back it up with SPECIFIC information and SPECIFIC individuals who can vouch for the work that I did...ON MY OWN. Now I will say that EVERY person who does repairs will come across something that he seeks help with. On a couple of occasions in the past I have e-mailed a couple of different techs to discuss something I have found. On one occasion I have posted to a professional audio repair forum about a circuitry issue I discovered (and later repaired). This is a common practice among those who do repairs. There isn't a technician alive who can claim to know EVERYTHING about EVERY situation found on EVERY piece of equipment. You aren't the only one who knows how to read a newsgroup, Ray. I see techs looking for help and advice all the time. It doesn't mean that they are incompetent. Find me a technician who has never needed advice about something he has repaired, and I'll show you the Eighth Wonder of the World. As for the RX-505 I fixed... First of all, the problems I fixed on that RX-505 were completely unrelated to the record bias issue. My customer had purchased the deck, which was in a non-working state, in hopes of fixing it up and using it. A previous owner of this deck had monkeyed with it terribly. There were several things wrong with the tape transport, both electronically and physically. I fixed ALL of the tape transport problems--ON MY OWN, with no help!--and returned it to the customer. It turns out that the customer wanted to record using several different types of tape. A couple of tape types calibrated OK and sounded just fine, but a couple of other tape types were considerably duller sounding. There is NO WAY that I could have known about this situation beforehand. When I received the deck, the customer's orders were to fix the tape transport problems, which I did. I did do a test recording before sending the deck back to him, just to make sure that the record fu nction was working. The deck recorded perfectly for me when I used a Maxell XLII tape, so I gave the deck a clean bill of health and sent it back to the customer. When the customer received the deck, he discovered that some of his tapes sounded dull, and he e-mailed me about it. I offered to take another look at the deck, but he wanted to keep the deck with him to see if he could figure it out. I have just repeated my offer to take another look at the deck. I must repeat this: THE PROBLEM THAT MY CUSTOMER IS HAVING IS TOTALLY UNRELATED TO THE PROBLEMS I REPAIRED. It's sad that I have to discuss an individual repair "out in the open" like this, but I had to do it in order to protect my reputation. Ray, you have taken a simple post where I discussed a preference for one receiver over another, and turned it into an opportunity to do a real hatchet job on me. I don't know why you felt that you needed to do this, but I wish you could have discussed whatever issue you have with me *privately* before you chose to drag my name through the mud in public like this. As far as I can tell, I have never repaired anything for you, and I have never said anything wrong or done anything wrong to you. So I would very much appreciate it if you could tell me what it is I have done to deserve such an attack You have used inaccurate and incomplete information to make your criticisms about me. If you can point me to any SPECIFIC forums and SPECIFIC individuals that are apparently trashing my name all over the place, then I will take the appropriate steps, if needed, to correct the problem. Have a good day. *andy* From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Thu May 8 15:42:32 2008 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 06:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <4821B299.3020204@rcn.com> Message-ID: <345348.70476.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john_194600 at yahoo.com Thu May 8 14:41:26 2008 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 05:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery Message-ID: <84646.80849.qm@web54505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Have you ever heard one (682zx)? Terrible sound. Nakamichi really dropped the ball on this model. JN ----- Original Message ---- From: LENA WONG To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2008 6:57:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery So far the 682ZX does not seem to be moving up yet !!!! Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 5/6/2008 5:18:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ddino77 at bellsouth.net writes: Excellent discussion. And now a word from the friendly neighborhood curmudgeon. Ah yes, the ol' designer/engineer's dilemma. Take a little salt here, put a little more sugar there. All this proves is that there is no best design. Just lots of choices.   Hmm, there's always the possibility that Andy is dissing the Nak SR-3 (and the other Stasis receivers) to drive the price down on eBay so he can buy more.  Ever since we recommended the 610 as the best tape preamp, the prices have at least doubled for that model on eBay.  Remember that awful deck, the 682ZX?   Jeff W ________________________________ Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? 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URL: From john_194600 at yahoo.com Thu May 8 14:46:42 2008 From: john_194600 at yahoo.com (John) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 05:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nelson Pass Message-ID: <800137.92760.qm@web54501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ray, Why the personal attack...a simple "I disagree with your your opinon" certainly says the same thing... JN ----- Original Message ---- From: "rayr0683 at comcast.net" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2008 7:00:15 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nelson Pass Have to go with Nelson Pass, and Nakamichi on this one.  Sometimes its true, a vintage peice and its memories touch the heart, but NO WAY does the Pioneer Receiver, any of them, touch the Nak Stasis Amp in this matchup.  The statement someone else made was true, Pioneer Elite is another ballgame, but Id still side with Nak and Nelson. And ordinarily, its true, it would not be a receiver in the comparison, it would be Amplifier, or Integrated Amp. The Pioneer you mention isnt even the top of the line. I think your having a biased opinion here. Nelson Pass is a genius, and his technology lives on, take a look at his latest ventures, and prices. And yet the company is still very helpful, with customer support with products that he made years ago. This is 2 seperate leagues of quality, and your either hearing what you want to hear, or something isnt quite right with the components, or testing.  I notice in different forums, there are alot of people attacking you, claiming that y! ou ente r the forums just to get advice on how to fix something, or if there are common problems with different speakers, decks, receivers, etc... then disappear....So, I dont know if you are doing a truely fair and equal comparison.Andy, Im aware that you do repairs to an extent on certain decks, but there are alot of angry people in the Kenwood, and other vintage forums that are trying to pass the word to others, not to give you answers any longer on how to troubleshoot things you inquire about.  I know of a RX-505 that you repaired, and its now tempremental to only one kind of blank tape. That isnt right at all. I have the same unit, maintained by Nakamichi, and I have alway been able to use any blank tape of my choice, with little or no bias adjustment, and the results from tape to tape varied very very little, the results of my recordings, have rivaled all of my Properly Calibrated and Spec'd out Reel to Reel Decks, including a Professional 2 Track Mastering deck, that had spee! ds of 1 5 and 30 ips. which was a brand new unit, and my other Open Reel units are all top of the heap, 1/2 track or 1/4 track, the Tandbergs being among the best, and Jeff Galin knows the Tandberg expert  that put these decks to better than new, with all NOS Tandberg Parts and Mods, including new Tandberg Heads, rollers, etc.....             My point is, I dont think that this is a fair and qualified comparison, if it were, there would be no contest, the Nak would blow away the Pioneer Receiver. 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu May 8 14:59:48 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 05:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 BELTS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <217526.93282.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Robert, ESL in Connecticut is your best bet fro OEM belts. Period. I had a ZX9( sounding great) whose belt finally conked. Jeff of ESL sent me an OEM ZX 9 belt and after installing that belt the deck has started sounding 10 times better. Sharper sound, superb bass, rock solid speed. I did not think the ZX9 could sound this good, until the belt was replaced. Changing the belt alone may not help, however, for your tape edge issue. There may be a guide alignment required here too, along with the head alignment tweaks. Regards and good luck, Ram ROBERT WEBER wrote: Does anyone know where I can purchase a belt for my BX 300. My Nak is 23 years old and works very well except it tends to damage the edges of the tape. I am told that this is due to a worn and loose belt. Well it is quite loose even though it still functions, but the tape edge damage is driving me nuts. Thank you. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Thu May 8 21:35:29 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <891973.58532.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kermit, I would also like your 2 cents on the Pioneer SX-1250. I own 2 of them! Bob N BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: Hi Kermit, Please let me know list of amplifiers that you liked the best as I value your judgement , the best amp I have heard thus far has been Sony TA 4650 VFET(vertical field effect transistor) this amp has vertical field effect transistors in power output section which is very tube like sounding and rare compared to other sony amps. Also like the sound of Sansui 1000A 40w/ch tube receiver with 7591 tubes , what is your take on these amps?! let me know. Thanks! Ali In a message dated 5/5/2008 9:35:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: Hey Andy, As a former Pioneer dealer, you made my day! (Sold Nakamichi too, albeit briefly.) Audio equipment advertisers have over-used and misused the term "Class A" over the years and have promulgated a myth based on the generalization that Class A is the best sound around. By the way, only some theories of amplifier design describe Class A as the best sound, other theories demonstrate Class B amplifiers as theoretically superior because of increased efficiency that allows the implementation of greater inverse feedback without ill effect. Class A amplifiers are biased to conduct a signal for the entire cycle, a Class B amplifier conducts a signal for only half the cycle and a Class C amplifier conducts a signal only on the peaks. Class A is the least efficient, Class C the most, but Class C is found only in radio transmitters. If an amplifier is operating push-pull it cannot be pure Class A, as each device in the pair conducts only half the wave form, even if each device in the push-pull pair is itself biased as Class A. Confused? Don't feel badly, many professionals get this distinction confused. Most push pull amplifiers are biased between Classes A and B, and are thus designated Class AB. You will find considerable disagreement on these points, but only from advertisers, blow hards, egotists, guys who love to argue for the sake of arguing (or to be the center of attention) and beginners. The only determinants of audio amplifier quality are the designer's skill, component quality and the designers' design choices. Some of the best amplifiers I've heard have been Class A (a particular Thordarson comes to mind) whiled some of the worst amplifiers I've heard are also Class A. The finest amplifier I've ever heard was a one- of-a-kind Westrex theater amplifier -- it was Class B! Please as me for a list of my favorite power amplifiers because my amplifier designs are my favorites, with the exception of a few Westrex, Thordarson, McIntosh, and Crown models. The STASIS isn't a true class A because it is a push-pull (actually Class AB), although I believe its output devices are biased much closer to Class A than to Class B. The sterility you are perceiving in the STASIS is likely the result of a high degree of inverse feedback applied to the amplifier. There was a design fad for too many years to designing an amplifier that had extreme gain, was biased "hot" (closer to Class A than Class B) then had massive amounts of inverse feedback applied. This result in an amplifier with quite impressive specs, that was dead quiet and that had magnificent square wave response on an oscilloscope -- but to many listeners these amplifiers sound harsh, sterile, critical and fatiguing. For the sake of balance, some listeners love these very same amplifiers and are blown away but the clarity, speed, harmonic purity, incredible detail and extremely low distortion. Both points of view are equally valid, and merely reflect the tastes of the individual listener. Unfortunately, some who express an opinion on amplifier sound put forth their opinions as facts, and give themselves pretentious labels (like "scientific" or "objectivist") while seeking to diminish the opinions differing from theirs as "subjective." Such persons merely distract from real issues while demonstrating both their egos and their non-rigorous minds. Hearing is one of the five human senses, and as such is always subjective, so being labelled as subjective is irrelevant; it comes under the heading of, "Yes, and so what? We all are!" what I love most about audio is that no matter what your equipment sounds like, someone will like its sound! there's room for every conceivable sound, every technology and every approach! It is one of the few fields of endeavor where truly there is no right or wrong, no one "best" (another invention of marketers and egotists). On May 4, 2008, at 9:07 PM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my then-recently-acquired > vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some vintage > KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs. > > The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always > dangerous)... > > I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you who > don't know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier technology > that was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed from > Threshold, the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the time. > The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, Class A > amps are the "purest" form of amplification because the output > signal is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input > signal...only louder, of course. > > Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided to do a > head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. > > I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the vintage > KLH pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio model 7A > monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really deserving of > "audiophile" status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes speakers > that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't sound > bad, either. > > After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly shocked. > > The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but MUCH, > MUCH better. There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's sound > was warm and powerful, with excellent control over the upper > frequencies. In my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or treble > with no real character to it and merely lots of sibilance instead, > is a hallmark of a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. When > bad treble is present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate it. > The sound of the Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I got a > sense that the different instruments were really occupying their own > places in the stereo image. > > In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very clinical. > It's as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy, and it > overshot the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. I never > got the sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The Nakamichi > was pretty good with tape sources, since its "clinical" sound helped > to combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but in just > about every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the Pioneer. > The Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it clarity and > warmth, whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be "doing its job", > with no real "feeling" (for lack of a better word). > > Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I > listen to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and for > movies it sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie theater > low-end. I suppose that the increased output and headroom does make > a difference in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does make a > difference. But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH > difference there is between the two Nakamichi receivers--and how > much better the Pioneer sounds than either of them. > > In all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I didn't > want preferential tone settings to color my impression. > > I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference in the > sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I DID hear > a difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer. > > And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a Pioneer > SX-750 that is better still! > > If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer when > it comes to cassette decks! :-) > > > *andy* > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= --------------------------------- Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? 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If people?have service?problems but then don't bother to seek a solution from the service provider then they should keep their mouths shut.? If repeated requests for resolution to the service provider are ignored then perhaps a public embarassment may be appropriate.? I hope you retract any of your post that you, in hindsight, may not have meant as it came accross.? A public apology would do no harm either. Rgds, Ben Stratford -----Original Message----- From: rayr0683 at comcast.net To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:00 pm Subject: [naktalk] Nelson Pass Have to go with Nelson Pass, and Nakamichi on this one. Sometimes its true, a vintage peice and its memories touch the heart, but NO WAY does the Pioneer Receiver, any of them, touch the Nak Stasis Amp in this matchup. The statement someone else made was true, Pioneer Elite is another ballgame, but Id still side with Nak and Nelson. And ordinarily, its true, it would not be a receiver in the comparison, it would be Amplifier, or Integrated Amp. The Pioneer you mention isnt even the top of the line. I think your having a biased opinion here. Nelson Pass is a genius, and his technology lives on, take a look at his latest ventures, and prices. And yet the company is still very helpful, with customer support with products that he made years ago. This is 2 seperate leagues of quality, and your either hearing what you want to hear, or something isnt quite right with the components, or testing. I notice in different forums, there are alot of people attacking you, claiming that y! ou ente r the forums just to get advice on how to fix something, or if there are common problems with different speakers, decks, receivers, etc... then disappear....So, I dont know if you are doing a truely fair and equal comparison.Andy, Im aware that you do repairs to an extent on certain decks, but there are alot of angry people in the Kenwood, and other vintage forums that are trying to pass the word to others, not to give you answers any longer on how to troubleshoot things you inquire about. I know of a RX-505 that you repaired, and its now tempremental to only one kind of blank tape. That isnt right at all. I have the same unit, maintained by Nakamichi, and I have alway been able to use any blank tape of my choice, with little or no bias adjustment, and the results from tape to tape varied very very little, the results of my recordings, have rivaled all of my Properly Calibrated and Spec'd out Reel to Reel Decks, including a Professional 2 Track Mastering deck, that had spee! ds of 1 5 and 30 ips. which was a brand new unit, and my other Open Reel units are all top of the heap, 1/2 track or 1/4 track, the Tandbergs being among the best, and Jeff Galin knows the Tandberg expert that put these decks to better than new, with all NOS Tandberg Parts and Mods, including new Tandberg Heads, rollers, etc..... My point is, I dont think that this is a fair and qualified comparison, if it were, there would be no contest, the Nak would blow away the Pioneer Receiver. Something is wrong. Ray ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob31411 at msn.com Fri May 9 05:14:33 2008 From: bob31411 at msn.com (bob31411 at msn.com) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 22:14:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nelson Pass References: <050820081327.15283.4822FFBE0002F34E00003BB322155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Amen to John (JN)'s post earlier. Why the personal attack on Andy? A simple disagreement would have sufficed, I believe. Shouldn't it be equally acceptable if Andy had even performed a comparison with a JCPenney "All in One", or if I like an "xyz" brand. What I like about this group is the depth of knowledge and the non-reluctance to post interesting tidbits that different ones pick up or discover. It makes it interesting. I lurk most of the time, but I have always known Andy's post's to be high spirited and you can tell his excitement for this hobby. This was an unsolicited reply. Andy has done work for me in the past and I am one of those on his list of references. Just my $.02. Bobby There are 10 types of people in the world. Those that understand binary and those that don't - Anonymus ----- Original Message ----- From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net To: rayr0683 at comcast.net Cc: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nelson Pass Ray wrote: " I notice in different forums, there are alot of people attacking you, claiming that you enter the forums just to get advice on how to fix something, or if there are common problems with different speakers, decks, receivers, etc... then disappear...." Ray (and others): THIS IS NOT TRUE, not as it is written here. There is ONE audio forum (notice I didn't say "forumS") on the internet where ONE person--not "alot of people"--attacked me for what he perceived to be ingratitude on my part. For the record, I had a question about a Nakamichi receiver and failed to follow up with a "thank you" for the replies I received. The question I asked was NOT repair-related. I have to say that this is the ***ONLY*** time I ever failed to express gratitude, and this ONE person--not "alot of people"--jumped all over it. Several people came to my defense, to the point where the person who complained about me doesn't even post in that forum any more--at least he didn't the last time I checked. I am not sure how ONE person got magnified to "alot of people" in Ray's post, but we all know how tales can grow taller over time. Ray has gone on to imply that I routinely take in cassette decks (and other stereo items) with problems that I am unable to solve on my own. THIS IS NOT TRUE. I don't claim to be the world's foremost authority on Nakamichi decks--or anything else, for that matter. But I have done a LOT of reading, a LOT of tinkering, and a LOT of repairing. ON MY OWN. I'm proud of the work I do, and I have "alot of people" who have been very, very happy with my work. And unlike Ray, when I use the phrase "alot of people", I can provide a list of names and e-mail address that these "people" have given me permission to use as references. In other words, when *I* say "alot of people", I can back it up with SPECIFIC information and SPECIFIC individuals who can vouch for the work that I did...ON MY OWN. Now I will say that EVERY person who does repairs will come across something that he seeks help with. On a couple of occasions in the past I have e-mailed a couple of different techs to discuss something I have found. On one occasion I have posted to a professional audio repair forum about a circuitry issue I discovered (and later repaired). This is a common practice among those who do repairs. There isn't a technician alive who can claim to know EVERYTHING about EVERY situation found on EVERY piece of equipment. You aren't the only one who knows how to read a newsgroup, Ray. I see techs looking for help and advice all the time. It doesn't mean that they are incompetent. Find me a technician who has never needed advice about something he has repaired, and I'll show you the Eighth Wonder of the World. As for the RX-505 I fixed... First of all, the problems I fixed on that RX-505 were completely unrelated to the record bias issue. My customer had purchased the deck, which was in a non-working state, in hopes of fixing it up and using it. A previous owner of this deck had monkeyed with it terribly. There were several things wrong with the tape transport, both electronically and physically. I fixed ALL of the tape transport problems--ON MY OWN, with no help!--and returned it to the customer. It turns out that the customer wanted to record using several different types of tape. A couple of tape types calibrated OK and sounded just fine, but a couple of other tape types were considerably duller sounding. There is NO WAY that I could have known about this situation beforehand. When I received the deck, the customer's orders were to fix the tape transport problems, which I did. I did do a test recording before sending the deck back to him, just to make sure that the re! cord fu nction was working. The deck recorded perfectly for me when I used a Maxell XLII tape, so I gave the deck a clean bill of health and sent it back to the customer. When the customer received the deck, he discovered that some of his tapes sounded dull, and he e-mailed me about it. I offered to take another look at the deck, but he wanted to keep the deck with him to see if he could figure it out. I have just repeated my offer to take another look at the deck. I must repeat this: THE PROBLEM THAT MY CUSTOMER IS HAVING IS TOTALLY UNRELATED TO THE PROBLEMS I REPAIRED. It's sad that I have to discuss an individual repair "out in the open" like this, but I had to do it in order to protect my reputation. Ray, you have taken a simple post where I discussed a preference for one receiver over another, and turned it into an opportunity to do a real hatchet job on me. I don't know why you felt that you needed to do this, but I wish you could have discussed whatever issue you have with me *privately* before you chose to drag my name through the mud in public like this. As far as I can tell, I have never repaired anything for you, and I have never said anything wrong or done anything wrong to you. So I would very much appreciate it if you could tell me what it is I have done to deserve such an attack You have used inaccurate and incomplete information to make your criticisms about me. If you can point me to any SPECIFIC forums and SPECIFIC individuals that are apparently trashing my name all over the place, then I will take the appropriate steps, if needed, to correct the problem. Have a good day. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dball1 at woh.rr.com Fri May 9 03:09:18 2008 From: dball1 at woh.rr.com (Dennis Ball) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 21:09:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nelson Pass In-Reply-To: <050820081327.15283.4822FFBE0002F34E00003BB322155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: Andy, For what it's worth, anyone who has had dealing with you knows this is all BS. I have, and will continue to highly recommend your repair services based on my own personal experience. If anyone wants a testimonial, tell them to drop me a line... Dennis -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:27 AM To: rayr0683 at comcast.net Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nelson Pass Ray wrote: " I notice in different forums, there are alot of people attacking you, claiming that you enter the forums just to get advice on how to fix something, or if there are common problems with different speakers, decks, receivers, etc... then disappear...." Ray (and others): THIS IS NOT TRUE, not as it is written here. There is ONE audio forum (notice I didn't say "forumS") on the internet where ONE person--not "alot of people"--attacked me for what he perceived to be ingratitude on my part. For the record, I had a question about a Nakamichi receiver and failed to follow up with a "thank you" for the replies I received. The question I asked was NOT repair-related. I have to say that this is the ***ONLY*** time I ever failed to express gratitude, and this ONE person--not "alot of people"--jumped all over it. Several people came to my defense, to the point where the person who complained about me doesn't even post in that forum any more--at least he didn't the last time I checked. I am not sure how ONE person got magnified to "alot of people" in Ray's post, but we all know how tales can grow taller over time. Ray has gone on to imply that I routinely take in cassette decks (and other stereo items) with problems that I am unable to solve on my own. THIS IS NOT TRUE. I don't claim to be the world's foremost authority on Nakamichi decks--or anything else, for that matter. But I have done a LOT of reading, a LOT of tinkering, and a LOT of repairing. ON MY OWN. I'm proud of the work I do, and I have "alot of people" who have been very, very happy with my work. And unlike Ray, when I use the phrase "alot of people", I can provide a list of names and e-mail address that these "people" have given me permission to use as references. In other words, when *I* say "alot of people", I can back it up with SPECIFIC information and SPECIFIC individuals who can vouch for the work that I did...ON MY OWN. Now I will say that EVERY person who does repairs will come across something that he seeks help with. On a couple of occasions in the past I have e-mailed a couple of different techs to discuss something I have found. On one occasion I have posted to a professional audio repair forum about a circuitry issue I discovered (and later repaired). This is a common practice among those who do repairs. There isn't a technician alive who can claim to know EVERYTHING about EVERY situation found on EVERY piece of equipment. You aren't the only one who knows how to read a newsgroup, Ray. I see techs looking for help and advice all the time. It doesn't mean that they are incompetent. Find me a technician who has never needed advice about something he has repaired, and I'll show you the Eighth Wonder of the World. As for the RX-505 I fixed... First of all, the problems I fixed on that RX-505 were completely unrelated to the record bias issue. My customer had purchased the deck, which was in a non-working state, in hopes of fixing it up and using it. A previous owner of this deck had monkeyed with it terribly. There were several things wrong with the tape transport, both electronically and physically. I fixed ALL of the tape transport problems--ON MY OWN, with no help!--and returned it to the customer. It turns out that the customer wanted to record using several different types of tape. A couple of tape types calibrated OK and sounded just fine, but a couple of other tape types were considerably duller sounding. There is NO WAY that I could have known about this situation beforehand. When I received the deck, the customer's orders were to fix the tape transport problems, which I did. I did do a test recording before sending the deck back to him, just to make sure that the re! cord fu nction was working. The deck recorded perfectly for me when I used a Maxell XLII tape, so I gave the deck a clean bill of health and sent it back to the customer. When the customer received the deck, he discovered that some of his tapes sounded dull, and he e-mailed me about it. I offered to take another look at the deck, but he wanted to keep the deck with him to see if he could figure it out. I have just repeated my offer to take another look at the deck. I must repeat this: THE PROBLEM THAT MY CUSTOMER IS HAVING IS TOTALLY UNRELATED TO THE PROBLEMS I REPAIRED. It's sad that I have to discuss an individual repair "out in the open" like this, but I had to do it in order to protect my reputation. Ray, you have taken a simple post where I discussed a preference for one receiver over another, and turned it into an opportunity to do a real hatchet job on me. I don't know why you felt that you needed to do this, but I wish you could have discussed whatever issue you have with me *privately* before you chose to drag my name through the mud in public like this. As far as I can tell, I have never repaired anything for you, and I have never said anything wrong or done anything wrong to you. So I would very much appreciate it if you could tell me what it is I have done to deserve such an attack You have used inaccurate and incomplete information to make your criticisms about me. If you can point me to any SPECIFIC forums and SPECIFIC individuals that are apparently trashing my name all over the place, then I will take the appropriate steps, if needed, to correct the problem. Have a good day. *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Fri May 9 07:17:27 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 05:17:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <27408970.1210258189909.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <050920080517.22286.4823DE67000038D90000570E22230706129B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Heeyy? Why ye dissin the ZXL? I have gone hungry keeping my beast happy with rebuilt PCB's,diodes and belts. Just last week the macabre torture machine ate up two, perfectly good irreplaceable tapes, and now needs some new tires, which means, I be starting the diet again. The c00l, shiny, function buttons are constantly falling off, forcing this owner to practice hide-n-seek under the bed, or in the dirty laundry pile with the little rascals. The NR device is so cantankerous that sacrificing it on the E--Y to generate desperately needed repair funds for the mother deck starts making sense. And lastly, I have in on good authority that Nero, the maestro himself penned most of the original lines endowing this toaster oven of a cassette recorder with bragging rights no Sankyo imbued deck could only wish for.... pure and simply, unadulterated CHUTZPAH! -------------- Original message from Tom Brucker : -------------- I don't know why anyone would want a 700 ZXL when better decks are out there? If you want some vintage fun try buying the Nak PA300-II car stereo amp. It is 20 years old! It is expensive because it was the only amp of its day that was 2 ohm stable....an accidental design byproduct that was discovered on the street. Now it is ledgendary. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Roland Sent: May 7, 2008 7:50 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery Oh yes, the pond scum sucking 682ZX... There's only one piece of Nakamichi equipment worst than the 682ZX and that would be the SR-3. Both are competing for all time WORST Nakamichi failure of all time. At 12:11 PM 5/7/2008, you wrote: In a message dated 5/6/2008 5:18:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ddino77 at bellsouth.net writes: Excellent discussion. And now a word from the friendly neighborhood curmudgeon. Ah yes, the ol' designer/engineer's dilemma. Take a little salt here, put a little more sugar there. All this proves is that there is no best design. Just lots of choices. Hmm, there's always the possibility that Andy is dissing the Nak SR-3 (and the other Stasis receivers) to drive the price down on eBay so he can buy more. Ever since we recommended the 610 as the best tape preamp, the prices have at least doubled for that model on eBay. Remember that awful deck, the 682ZX? Jeff W Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is a NakTalk "inside joke", a joke that is funny only if you understand its history. The history is that NakTalk praise has increased the cost of the premier models on auction sites. If we declare a modest performing deck like the BX1 "the best Nakamichi ever", and show contempt for ZX, 7, and ZXL decks prices may drop! tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sat May 10 16:14:05 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:14:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] on getting kicked in the *** Message-ID: <28594251.1210428845201.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It is tough being a part of an online community sometimes. How we deal with our problems is a reflection of the care and consideration we have for each other. Having been on the butt end in the past, I would offer the following wisdom: Calling out a member upsets a majority of NakTalk members, not because they need to know about the particular conflict, but because it violates our sense that we are all allies with common values. If there is a predatory "business person" in our midst, I trust that THEIR practices will soon put them out. Please find constructive ways to resolve problems, and even more significantly, be constructive and less defensive when responding! Andy, there is always a price to pay for being in the public eye. There are some excellent Nakamichi technicians who regularly avoid the public exposure of NakTalk. I choose to remain public in hopes that DIY repairs and information will enable those without service options to enjoy working Nakamichis. I've been in business 33 years and can weather the storms. The choice is always a personal one. I do appreciate your regular participation as I "get better" with every post. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: May 8, 2008 8:27 AM >To: rayr0683 at comcast.net >Cc: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nelson Pass > > >Ray wrote: > >" I notice in different forums, there are alot of people attacking you, claiming that you enter the forums just to get advice on how to fix something, or if there are common problems with different speakers, decks, receivers, etc... then disappear...." > > >Ray (and others): > >THIS IS NOT TRUE, not as it is written here. There is ONE audio forum (notice I didn't say "forumS") on the internet where ONE person--not "alot of people"--attacked me for what he perceived to be ingratitude on my part. For the record, I had a question about a Nakamichi receiver and failed to follow up with a "thank you" for the replies I received. The question I asked was NOT repair-related. > >I have to say that this is the ***ONLY*** time I ever failed to express gratitude, and this ONE person--not "alot of people"--jumped all over it. Several people came to my defense, to the point where the person who complained about me doesn't even post in that forum any more--at least he didn't the last time I checked. I am not sure how ONE person got magnified to "alot of people" in Ray's post, but we all know how tales can grow taller over time. > >Ray has gone on to imply that I routinely take in cassette decks (and other stereo items) with problems that I am unable to solve on my own. THIS IS NOT TRUE. I don't claim to be the world's foremost authority on Nakamichi decks--or anything else, for that matter. But I have done a LOT of reading, a LOT of tinkering, and a LOT of repairing. ON MY OWN. I'm proud of the work I do, and I have "alot of people" who have been very, very happy with my work. And unlike Ray, when I use the phrase "alot of people", I can provide a list of names and e-mail address that these "people" have given me permission to use as references. In other words, when *I* say "alot of people", I can back it up with SPECIFIC information and SPECIFIC individuals who can vouch for the work that I did...ON MY OWN. > >Now I will say that EVERY person who does repairs will come across something that he seeks help with. On a couple of occasions in the past I have e-mailed a couple of different techs to discuss something I have found. On one occasion I have posted to a professional audio repair forum about a circuitry issue I discovered (and later repaired). This is a common practice among those who do repairs. There isn't a technician alive who can claim to know EVERYTHING about EVERY situation found on EVERY piece of equipment. You aren't the only one who knows how to read a newsgroup, Ray. I see techs looking for help and advice all the time. It doesn't mean that they are incompetent. Find me a technician who has never needed advice about something he has repaired, and I'll show you the Eighth Wonder of the World. > >As for the RX-505 I fixed... First of all, the problems I fixed on that RX-505 were completely unrelated to the record bias issue. My customer had purchased the deck, which was in a non-working state, in hopes of fixing it up and using it. A previous owner of this deck had monkeyed with it terribly. There were several things wrong with the tape transport, both electronically and physically. I fixed ALL of the tape transport problems--ON MY OWN, with no help!--and returned it to the customer. It turns out that the customer wanted to record using several different types of tape. A couple of tape types calibrated OK and sounded just fine, but a couple of other tape types were considerably duller sounding. There is NO WAY that I could have known about this situation beforehand. When I received the deck, the customer's orders were to fix the tape transport problems, which I did. I did do a test recording before sending the deck back to him, just to make sure that the re! > cord fu >nction was working. The deck recorded perfectly for me when I used a Maxell XLII tape, so I gave the deck a clean bill of health and sent it back to the customer. When the customer received the deck, he discovered that some of his tapes sounded dull, and he e-mailed me about it. I offered to take another look at the deck, but he wanted to keep the deck with him to see if he could figure it out. I have just repeated my offer to take another look at the deck. I must repeat this: THE PROBLEM THAT MY CUSTOMER IS HAVING IS TOTALLY UNRELATED TO THE PROBLEMS I REPAIRED. > >It's sad that I have to discuss an individual repair "out in the open" like this, but I had to do it in order to protect my reputation. > >Ray, you have taken a simple post where I discussed a preference for one receiver over another, and turned it into an opportunity to do a real hatchet job on me. > >I don't know why you felt that you needed to do this, but I wish you could have discussed whatever issue you have with me *privately* before you chose to drag my name through the mud in public like this. > >As far as I can tell, I have never repaired anything for you, and I have never said anything wrong or done anything wrong to you. So I would very much appreciate it if you could tell me what it is I have done to deserve such an attack > >You have used inaccurate and incomplete information to make your criticisms about me. If you can point me to any SPECIFIC forums and SPECIFIC individuals that are apparently trashing my name all over the place, then I will take the appropriate steps, if needed, to correct the problem. > >Have a good day. > > >*andy* > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri May 9 08:45:52 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 07:45:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <345348.70476.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <4821B299.3020204@rcn.com> <345348.70476.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10805082345j1a8b2e50g32c04d03b1521691@mail.gmail.com> Yes - move this over to Audiotalk - that's what Wouter set it up for ! On 5/8/08, jayson levitz wrote: > > Hi Andy & Kermit. > > > > I have a Jeff Rowland Design Group Model 5 amp and Coherence One Series II > preamp from 1989 or so. Rowland's claim to fame is that their equipment has > no negative feedback. Rowland believes that having no negative feedback > improves the sonics. Any thoughts? > > --- On *Wed, 5/7/08, Ron * wrote: > > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008, 9:46 AM > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > Hi, Kermit: > > > > Believe it or not, I actually followed just about everything you had to > say about the different classes of amplifier, as I have done reading on this > same subject and find it fascinating (he said, as he adjusted his pocket > protector....) > > > > Well, it's true! I *do* find this fascinating! > > > > One question: When you say "inverse feedback", is that another > way of saying "negative feedback"? > > He does, though 'negative feedback' is preferable. > > > And is it your assertion that Class A amplifier designers like to be able > to use greater inverse feedback simply to make the amp look better on the spec > sheet, with little regard for "real world" sound? > > He stated that class A amps will tolerate higher > negative feedback 'with no ill effects'. This > is not true. The maximum tolerable negative > feedback depends on the required stability and > circuit characteristics and has *nothing* to > do with the amp class. > > > In my opinion, if they did apply a high degree of inverse feedback just to > obtain better frequency response figures, this was a mistake. I'd much > rather have the extra headroom. > > The trade off is best performance (the more > NFB the better) and stability (the less NFB > the better). In general, the design engineer > will apply as much negative feedback as > possible, while still maintaining stability. > At the same time, he -- or she -- will make > sure that stability is maintained under > unusual conditions, such as clipping, slew > rate limitations, etc. > > This is one of the more time consuming tasks in > amplifier design, as all amps have frequency > dependent phase shifts in both the main > amplifying path and the feedback path itself. > These can cause the feedback to become positive > at some frequencies under some operating > conditions, leading to undesirable effects > (such as lousy sound :-) ). > > -- Ron > > > > > > > *andy* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------ > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Fri May 9 08:47:16 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 07:47:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <891973.58532.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <891973.58532.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518b7b10805082347j5f2ea560g57cbca5664db0d13@mail.gmail.com> On Audiotalk please. On 5/8/08, Bob Naylor wrote: > Kermit, I would also like your 2 cents on the Pioneer SX-1250. I own 2 of > them! Bob N > > BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Kermit, Please let me know list of amplifiers that you liked the best > as I value your judgement , the best amp I have heard thus far has been Sony > TA 4650 VFET(vertical field effect transistor) this amp has vertical field > effect transistors in power output section which is very tube like sounding > and rare compared to other sony amps. Also like the sound of Sansui 1000A > 40w/ch tube receiver with 7591 tubes , what is your take on these amps?! > let me know. Thanks! > > Ali From john.bowley at mypostoffice.co.uk Fri May 9 13:52:34 2008 From: john.bowley at mypostoffice.co.uk (Dave Bowley) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:52:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nelson Pass References: <050820081327.15283.4822FFBE0002F34E00003BB322155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <005201c8b1cb$2bac2ac0$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> In Andy's defence [if he really need it which I doubt!!] Why the hell would he be expected to join a forum other than to express his views/share his knowledge/accept advice from other more knowledeable people. All of the Naktalk forum can attest I would hope, unless they have very short memories, to Andy's efforts to pass on knowledge gained to others for free through some excellent documenting work, now part of Luis's site ,as have previous & current Naktalk personnel on various common problems such as the Orange caps etc. We should be grateful that he is following the trends set by the other 'gurus' in this respect & not jump to criticise on the back of very thin 'evidence' that doesn't seem to me to stand scrutiny in any way. Andy is a regular contributor to those with problems, always 'goes the extra distance' to assist those in difficulty & should be applauded for that virtue. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nelson Pass > > Ray wrote: > > " I notice in different forums, there are alot of people attacking you, > claiming that you enter the forums just to get advice on how to fix > something, or if there are common problems with different speakers, decks, > receivers, etc... then disappear...." > > > Ray (and others): > > THIS IS NOT TRUE, not as it is written here. There is ONE audio forum > (notice I didn't say "forumS") on the internet where ONE person--not "alot > of people"--attacked me for what he perceived to be ingratitude on my > part. For the record, I had a question about a Nakamichi receiver and > failed to follow up with a "thank you" for the replies I received. The > question I asked was NOT repair-related. > > I have to say that this is the ***ONLY*** time I ever failed to express > gratitude, and this ONE person--not "alot of people"--jumped all over it. > Several people came to my defense, to the point where the person who > complained about me doesn't even post in that forum any more--at least he > didn't the last time I checked. I am not sure how ONE person got > magnified to "alot of people" in Ray's post, but we all know how tales can > grow taller over time. > > Ray has gone on to imply that I routinely take in cassette decks (and > other stereo items) with problems that I am unable to solve on my own. > THIS IS NOT TRUE. I don't claim to be the world's foremost authority on > Nakamichi decks--or anything else, for that matter. But I have done a LOT > of reading, a LOT of tinkering, and a LOT of repairing. ON MY OWN. I'm > proud of the work I do, and I have "alot of people" who have been very, > very happy with my work. And unlike Ray, when I use the phrase "alot of > people", I can provide a list of names and e-mail address that these > "people" have given me permission to use as references. In other words, > when *I* say "alot of people", I can back it up with SPECIFIC information > and SPECIFIC individuals who can vouch for the work that I did...ON MY > OWN. > > Now I will say that EVERY person who does repairs will come across > something that he seeks help with. On a couple of occasions in the past I > have e-mailed a couple of different techs to discuss something I have > found. On one occasion I have posted to a professional audio repair forum > about a circuitry issue I discovered (and later repaired). This is a > common practice among those who do repairs. There isn't a technician > alive who can claim to know EVERYTHING about EVERY situation found on > EVERY piece of equipment. You aren't the only one who knows how to read a > newsgroup, Ray. I see techs looking for help and advice all the time. It > doesn't mean that they are incompetent. Find me a technician who has > never needed advice about something he has repaired, and I'll show you the > Eighth Wonder of the World. > > As for the RX-505 I fixed... First of all, the problems I fixed on that > RX-505 were completely unrelated to the record bias issue. My customer > had purchased the deck, which was in a non-working state, in hopes of > fixing it up and using it. A previous owner of this deck had monkeyed > with it terribly. There were several things wrong with the tape > transport, both electronically and physically. I fixed ALL of the tape > transport problems--ON MY OWN, with no help!--and returned it to the > customer. It turns out that the customer wanted to record using several > different types of tape. A couple of tape types calibrated OK and sounded > just fine, but a couple of other tape types were considerably duller > sounding. There is NO WAY that I could have known about this situation > beforehand. When I received the deck, the customer's orders were to fix > the tape transport problems, which I did. I did do a test recording > before sending the deck back to him, just to make sure that the r > e! > cord fu > nction was working. The deck recorded perfectly for me when I used a > Maxell XLII tape, so I gave the deck a clean bill of health and sent it > back to the customer. When the customer received the deck, he discovered > that some of his tapes sounded dull, and he e-mailed me about it. I > offered to take another look at the deck, but he wanted to keep the deck > with him to see if he could figure it out. I have just repeated my offer > to take another look at the deck. I must repeat this: THE PROBLEM THAT MY > CUSTOMER IS HAVING IS TOTALLY UNRELATED TO THE PROBLEMS I REPAIRED. > > It's sad that I have to discuss an individual repair "out in the open" > like this, but I had to do it in order to protect my reputation. > > Ray, you have taken a simple post where I discussed a preference for one > receiver over another, and turned it into an opportunity to do a real > hatchet job on me. > > I don't know why you felt that you needed to do this, but I wish you could > have discussed whatever issue you have with me *privately* before you > chose to drag my name through the mud in public like this. > > As far as I can tell, I have never repaired anything for you, and I have > never said anything wrong or done anything wrong to you. So I would very > much appreciate it if you could tell me what it is I have done to deserve > such an attack > > You have used inaccurate and incomplete information to make your > criticisms about me. If you can point me to any SPECIFIC forums and > SPECIFIC individuals that are apparently trashing my name all over the > place, then I will take the appropriate steps, if needed, to correct the > problem. > > Have a good day. > > > *andy* > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.11/1422 - Release Date: > 08/05/2008 17:24 > > From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Sat May 10 19:00:37 2008 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 19:00:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes In-Reply-To: <466AF7C7473E40789098E4F334C41702@number2> References: <2260.1209153383@cableone.net> <032E5588-57FE-494F-877A-6281F8BCE490@kvglabs.com> <466AF7C7473E40789098E4F334C41702@number2> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 May 2008 08:50:47 -0500, "orders at pennysconstruction" wrote: >I'm looking for something that erases reels, beta, vhs and cassettes, >including metal tapes. All the used models people mentioned here on naktalk >have no instructions. There have been a few new hand held models pop up on >ebay, and those would have instructions. I can imagine there are people on the list who can tell you how to erase a tape with whatever model you have for that purpose. -Mikkel From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 9 16:42:54 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 10:42:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <345348.70476.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <345348.70476.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <482462EE.3000207@rcn.com> jayson levitz wrote: > Hi Andy & Kermit. > > > > I have a Jeff Rowland Design Group Model 5 amp and Coherence One Series > II preamp from 1989 or so. Rowland's claim to fame is that their > equipment has no negative feedback. Rowland believes that having no > negative feedback improves the sonics. Any thoughts? If "having no negative feedback improves the sonics" was true, no one would use negative feedback. Yet 99.99% of all audio amps in the world use NFB. Does Rowland know something no other engineer in the world knows? A certain minority of amp designs mis-apply NFB, resulting in poor performance. It is even possible to design an amp that will measure well in the published steady state specs, at the cost of sounding bad (or horrible) with dynamic signals (such as music). But jumping to the conclusion that "NFB is bad" is folly. To be cynical: a manufacturer may design an amp to appear good in the published specs (while leaving other -- not so complimentary-- specs out). This is dishonest. Some other manufacturer (for example, someone whose name rhymes with 'Rowland') may use this fact to falsely imply their product design is superiour. I find this just as dishonest. Bottom line: either manufacturer cares about nothing but their bottom line. -- Ron > > --- On *Wed, 5/7/08, Ron //* wrote: > > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008, 9:46 AM > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > Hi, Kermit: > > > > Believe it or not, I actually followed just about everything you had to > say about the different classes of amplifier, as I have done reading on this > same subject and find it fascinating (he said, as he adjusted his pocket > protector....) > > > > Well, it's true! I *do* find this fascinating! > > > > One question: When you say "inverse feedback", is that another > way of saying "negative feedback"? > > He does, though 'negative feedback' is preferable. > > > And is it your assertion that Class A amplifier designers like to be able > to use greater inverse feedback simply to make the amp look better on the spec > sheet, with little regard for "real world" sound? > > He stated that class A amps will tolerate higher > negative feedback 'with no ill effects'. This > is not true. The maximum tolerable negative > feedback depends on the required stability and > circuit characteristics and has *nothing* to > do with the amp class. > > > In my opinion, if they did apply a high degree of inverse feedback just to > obtain better frequency response figures, this was a mistake. I'd much > rather have the extra headroom. > > The trade off is best performance (the more > NFB the better) and stability (the less NFB > the better). In general, the design engineer > will apply as much negative feedback as > possible, while still maintaining stability. > At the same time, he -- or she -- will make > sure that stability is maintained under > unusual conditions, such as clipping, slew > rate limitations, etc. > > This is one of the more time consuming tasks in > amplifier design, as all amps have frequency > dependent phase shifts in both the main > amplifying path and the feedback path itself. > These can cause the feedback to become positive > at some frequencies under some operating > conditions, leading to undesirable effects > (such as lousy sound :-) ). > > -- Ron > > > > > > > *andy* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try > it now. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 9 16:55:33 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 10:55:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <891973.58532.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <891973.58532.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <482465E5.4060100@rcn.com> Bob, I am curious... Since you already own two SX-1250, why do you need anyone's opinion of it? I owned an SX-1250 for about 6 years, fed by a Nak 700 and a Dual 701 with a Shure V15VMR cartridge and driving a JBL L-65 pair. The SX-1250 provided excellent sound and was totally reliable (I still have the service manual, that I never used). Eventually, I replaced it with a ReVox B285 receiver, that I kept for the next 20 years. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > Kermit, I would also like your 2 cents on the Pioneer SX-1250. I own 2 > of them! Bob N > > */BOEING747600 at aol.com/* wrote: > > Hi Kermit, Please let me know list of amplifiers that you liked > the best as I value your judgement , the best amp I have heard thus > far has been Sony TA 4650 VFET(vertical field effect transistor) > this amp has vertical field effect transistors in power output > section which is very tube like sounding and rare compared to other > sony amps. Also like the sound of Sansui 1000A 40w/ch tube > receiver with 7591 tubes , what is your take on these amps?! let me > know. Thanks! > > Ali > > In a message dated 5/5/2008 9:35:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > > Hey Andy, > > As a former Pioneer dealer, you made my day! (Sold Nakamichi too, > albeit briefly.) > > Audio equipment advertisers have over-used and misused the term > "Class > A" over the years and have promulgated a myth based on the > generalization that Class A is the best sound around. By the way, > only some theories of amplifier design describe Class A as the > best > sound, other theories demonstrate Class B amplifiers as > theoretically > superior because of increased efficiency that allows the > implementation of greater inverse feedback without ill effect. > Class A > amplifiers are biased to conduct a signal for the entire cycle, a > Class B amplifier conducts a signal for only half the cycle and a > Class C amplifier conducts a signal only on the peaks. Class A > is the > least efficient, Class C the most, but Class C is found only in > radio > transmitters. If an amplifier is operating push-pull it cannot > be pure > Class A, as each device in the pair conducts only half the wave > form, > even if each device in the push-pull pair is itself biased as > Class A. > Confused? Don't feel badly, many professionals get this > distinction > confused. Most push pull amplifiers are biased between Classes A > and > B, and are thus designated Class AB. You will find considerable > disagreement on these points, but only from advertisers, blow > hards, > egotists, guys who love to argue for the sake of arguing (or to > be the > center of attention) and beginners. > > The only determinants of audio amplifier quality are the > designer's > skill, component quality and the designers' design choices. Some > of > the best amplifiers I've heard have been Class A (a particular > Thordarson comes to mind) whiled some of the worst amplifiers I've > heard are also Class A. The finest amplifier I've ever heard was > a one- > of-a-kind Westrex theater amplifier -- it was Class B! Please as > me > for a list of my favorite power amplifiers because my amplifier > designs are my favorites, with the exception of a few Westrex, > Thordarson, McIntosh, and Crown models. > > The STASIS isn't a true class A because it is a push-pull > (actually > Class AB), although I believe its output devices are biased much > closer to Class A than to Class B. > > The sterility you are perceiving in the STASIS is likely the > result of > a high degree of inverse feedback applied to the amplifier. > There was > a design fad for too many years to designing an amplifier that had > extreme gain, was biased "hot" (closer to Class A than Class B) > then > had massive amounts of inverse feedback applied. This result in an > amplifier with quite impressive specs, that was dead quiet and > that > had magnificent square wave response on an oscilloscope -- but > to many > listeners these amplifiers sound harsh, sterile, critical and > fatiguing. For the sake of balance, some listeners love these > very > same amplifiers and are blown away but the clarity, speed, > harmonic > purity, incredible detail and extremely low distortion. Both > points of > view are equally valid, and merely reflect the tastes of the > individual listener. Unfortunately, some who express an opinion on > amplifier sound put forth their opinions as facts, and give > themselves > pretentious labels (like "scientific" or "objectivist") while > seeking > to diminish the opinions differing from theirs as "subjective." > Such > persons merely distract from real issues while demonstrating both > their egos and their non-rigorous minds. Hearing is one of the > five > human senses, and as such is always subjective, so being > labelled as > subjective is irrelevant; it comes under the heading of, "Yes, > and so > what? We all are!" what I love most about audio is that no > matter what > your equipment sounds like, someone will like its sound! there's > room > for every conceivable sound, every technology and every > approach! It > is one of the few fields of endeavor where truly there is no > right or > wrong, no one "best" (another invention of marketers and egotists). > > On May 4, 2008, at 9:07 PM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > > > A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my > then-recently-acquired > > vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some > vintage > > KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs. > > > > The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always > > dangerous)... > > > > I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you > who > > don't know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier > technology > > that was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed > from > > Threshold, the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the > time. > > The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, > Class A > > amps are the "purest" form of amplification because the output > > signal is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input > > signal...only louder, of course. > > > > Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided > to do a > > head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. > > > > I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the > vintage > > KLH pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio > model 7A > > monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really > deserving of > > "audiophile" status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes > speakers > > that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't > sound > > bad, either. > > > > After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly > shocked. > > > > The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but > MUCH, > > MUCH better. There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's > sound > > was warm and powerful, with excellent control over the upper > > frequencies. In my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or > treble > > with no real character to it and merely lots of sibilance > instead, > > is a hallmark of a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. > When > > bad treble is present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate > it. > > The sound of the Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I > got a > > sense that the different instruments were really occupying > their own > > places in the stereo image. > > > > In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very > clinical. > > It's as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy, > and it > > overshot the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. > I never > > got the sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The > Nakamichi > > was pretty good with tape sources, since its "clinical" sound > helped > > to combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but > in just > > about every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the > Pioneer. > > The Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it > clarity and > > warmth, whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be "doing its > job", > > with no real "feeling" (for lack of a better word). > > > > Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I > > listen to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and > for > > movies it sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie > theater > > low-end. I suppose that the increased output and headroom > does make > > a difference in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does > make a > > difference. But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH > > difference there is between the two Nakamichi receivers--and > how > > much better the Pioneer sounds than either of them. > > > > In all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I > didn't > > want preferential tone settings to color my impression. > > > > I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference > in the > > sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I > DID hear > > a difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer. > > > > And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a > Pioneer > > SX-750 that is better still! > > > > If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer > when > > it comes to cassette decks! :-) > > > > > > *andy* > > From mrm12000 at cableone.net Sun May 11 04:39:57 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 19:39:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Any Revox B215 owners here? Message-ID: <3117.1210473597@cableone.net> Someone asked me a question about the Revox B215 that I can't answer, and the documentation I found online doesn't answer it either. Does the Pause control work in Play mode? That is, can you pause a playing tape with Pause? In the manual, Pause is discussed in relation to Record, not Play. ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From sheldance at gmail.com Fri May 9 07:11:26 2008 From: sheldance at gmail.com (SheldO) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 23:11:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Bx-2 problem Message-ID: <00a901c8b193$23997eb0$6acc7c10$@com> Hello everybody! I've had my BX-2 for quite some time now and I went to record a tape today when the whole machine locked up. The lights on the buttons randomly kept changing and the whole head/pinch roller mechanism froze in the upward position. Even after turning it off and on, trying to press eject and doing everything else imaginable, the mechanism STILL will not go down. One of the motors must have busted. What do you guys think? I love this little machine and I am now HEARTBROKEN! SheldO Cell: 780-660-2700 Home: 780-464-3914 Check out my YouTube page! http://www.youtube.com/sheldance27 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri May 9 06:42:49 2008 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (Walter Drewes) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 06:42:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] sunken' humour' Message-ID: <004501c8b18f$26a534e0$010918ac@MWDrews> Please refrain from making statements in an supposedly humerous fashion about the quality of certain decks or amps or whatever,.Not everybody knows all your individual quirks and that you are having a 'dig' at something somebody or something.This is not a club for certain individuals only . A first time reader or newbie has not got the background info and may come to different conclusions. This type of behavior is immature and unbecoming of members of Naktalk. 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Since then, I sent the deck to Willy Herman who is much closer (unless you think he's a 'hack' as well?), he said it was nearly calibrated and he got it the rest of the way very easily. One thing he found was that the belt used was the cause of some major wow & flutter issues as he measured them. This belt was a 'Fred' belt BTW, from a kit that would now be a yr old I bought on ebay. Willy said that since then, 'Fred' has a belt that was nearly close to the original in wow & flutter specs and he put that in my deck. So mainly, what I was hearing that was 'off' was extreme wow and flutter issues-that explains a lot. Your insinuation that *andy* is a hack and that I now have a 'flawed' deck is not only inaccurate, but slanderous. I've not told anyone I was unhappy with *andy's* work, so please don't put words into my mouth. Andy did exactly what I told him to do-mechanically debugged a very lame 'ebay bought' cheap, RX-505. He also offered to calibrate my deck for free after I got it back and decided it was "off"-instead, I sent it closer, rather than risk shipping damage again clear across the country. Simple as that. Kevin Have to go with Nelson Pass, and Nakamichi on this one. Sometimes its true, a vintage peice and its memories touch the heart, but NO WAY does the Pioneer Receiver, any of them, touch the Nak Stasis Amp in this matchup. The statement someone else made was true, Pioneer Elite is another ballgame, but Id still side with Nak and Nelson. And ordinarily, its true, it would not be a receiver in the comparison, it would be Amplifier, or Integrated Amp. The Pioneer you mention isnt even the top of the line. I think your having a biased opinion here. Nelson Pass is a genius, and his technology lives on, take a look at his latest ventures, and prices. And yet the company is still very helpful, with customer support with products that he made years ago. This is 2 seperate leagues of quality, and your either hearing what you want to hear, or something isnt quite right with the components, or testing. I notice in different forums, there are alot of people attacking you, claiming that y! ou ente r the forums just to get advice on how to fix something, or if there are common problems with different speakers, decks, receivers, etc... then disappear....So, I dont know if you are doing a truely fair and equal comparison.Andy, Im aware that you do repairs to an extent on certain decks, but there are alot of angry people in the Kenwood, and other vintage forums that are trying to pass the word to others, not to give you answers any longer on how to troubleshoot things you inquire about. I know of a RX-505 that you repaired, and its now tempremental to only one kind of blank tape. That isnt right at all. I have the same unit, maintained by Nakamichi, and I have alway been able to use any blank tape of my choice, with little or no bias adjustment, and the results from tape to tape varied very very little, the results of my recordings, have rivaled all of my Properly Calibrated and Spec'd out Reel to Reel Decks, including a Professional 2 Track Mastering deck, that had spee! ds of 1 5 and 30 ips. which was a brand new unit, and my other Open Reel units are all top of the heap, 1/2 track or 1/4 track, the Tandbergs being among the best, and Jeff Galin knows the Tandberg expert that put these decks to better than new, with all NOS Tandberg Parts and Mods, including new Tandberg Heads, rollers, etc..... My point is, I dont think that this is a fair and qualified comparison, if it were, there would be no contest, the Nak would blow away the Pioneer Receiver. Something is wrong. Ray ------------------------------ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon May 12 21:43:51 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 15:43:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bx-2 problem In-Reply-To: <00a901c8b193$23997eb0$6acc7c10$@com> References: <00a901c8b193$23997eb0$6acc7c10$@com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910805121243q6a92dc59raba7174080e2add5@mail.gmail.com> Hi, it's probably just the cam motor having "dead spots" (carbon buildup preventing the motor from starting). There's a guide right there to solve the problem: http://www.vintagecassette.com/naksarticle.jsp?article=77171 2008/5/9 SheldO : > Hello everybody! I've had my BX-2 for quite some time now and I went to > record a tape today when the whole machine locked up. The lights on the > buttons randomly kept changing and the whole head/pinch roller mechanism > froze in the upward position. Even after turning it off and on, trying to > press eject and doing everything else imaginable, the mechanism STILL will > not go down. One of the motors must have busted. What do you guys think? I > love this little machine and I am now HEARTBROKEN! -- Antoine Deschênes From koman56 at otenet.gr Mon May 12 21:08:31 2008 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 22:08:31 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Any Revox B215 owners here? In-Reply-To: <3117.1210473597@cableone.net> References: <3117.1210473597@cableone.net> Message-ID: <482895AF.4060302@otenet.gr> Just checked my B215 and when in play mode "pause" button will not function! Hope this is what you're looking for.. mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: >Someone asked me a question about the Revox B215 that I can't answer, and the >documentation I found online doesn't answer it either. Does the Pause control work >in Play mode? That is, can you pause a playing tape with Pause? In the manual, >Pause is discussed in relation to Record, not Play. >---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From mrm12000 at cableone.net Mon May 12 21:17:37 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:17:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Any Revox B215 owners here? Message-ID: <3346.1210619857@cableone.net> Yes, that's what I was after. It seemed odd to me, but it's just one of those quirks. Thanks, Marc On Mon May 12 19:08 , Emmanuel Komninos sent: >Just checked my B215 and when in play mode "pause" button will not function! >Hope this is what you're looking for.. > > >mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > >>Someone asked me a question about the Revox B215 that I can't answer, and the >>documentation I found online doesn't answer it either. Does the Pause control work >>in Play mode? That is, can you pause a playing tape with Pause? In the manual, >>Pause is discussed in relation to Record, not Play. >>---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon May 12 21:56:44 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 14:56:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Bx-2 problem Message-ID: <24083853.1210622204242.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 12 21:05:24 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 15:05:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Any Revox B215 owners here? In-Reply-To: <3117.1210473597@cableone.net> References: <3117.1210473597@cableone.net> Message-ID: <482894F4.7090806@rcn.com> mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > Someone asked me a question about the Revox B215 that I can't answer, and the > documentation I found online doesn't answer it either. Does the Pause control work > in Play mode? I have no idea, but I am sure it definitely does. -- Ron That is, can you pause a playing tape with Pause? In the manual, > Pause is discussed in relation to Record, not Play. > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 12 21:34:22 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 15:34:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bx-2 problem In-Reply-To: <00a901c8b193$23997eb0$6acc7c10$@com> References: <00a901c8b193$23997eb0$6acc7c10$@com> Message-ID: <48289BBE.8050401@rcn.com> This could be caused by any number of faults, including -- but not limited to -- a bad control motor. To check for the possibility, try removing the covers and nudging the motor with your finger, to move. If this doesn't help, the problem will require intervention of an experienced tech -- it's just this kind of a problem. If it does, you will be able to remove the lodged cassette and maybe operate the deck for a while, but be aware that the motor should be serviced; otherwise, the problem is likely to recur. Good luck, -- Ron SheldO wrote: > Hello everybody! I’ve had my BX-2 for quite some time now and I went to > record a tape today when the whole machine locked up. The lights on the > buttons randomly kept changing and the whole head/pinch roller mechanism > froze in the upward position. Even after turning it off and on, trying > to press eject and doing everything else imaginable, the mechanism STILL > will not go down. One of the motors must have busted. What do you guys > think? I love this little machine and I am now HEARTBROKEN! > > > > SheldO > > > > Cell: 780-660-2700 > > Home: 780-464-3914 > > > > *Check out my YouTube page!* > > *http://www.youtube.com/sheldance27* From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 12 21:39:42 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 15:39:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 BELTS In-Reply-To: <638383.1210341279992.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <638383.1210341279992.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48289CFE.1020300@rcn.com> Tom Brucker wrote: > Ram makes an excellent point in his post. We value the high level of > performance our Nakamichis provide. When we compromise one aspect, such > as a belt that is almost as good but not quite as good what is that > saying about our values? Is extended frequency response more important > than speed stability? Linn Sondek turntables have a 30 year history of > establishing the musical significance of stellar speed stability... > > As I look into the future my #1 concern is that we have an adequate > supply of capstan belts that perform as the originals. I could sleep > better if ESL had one thousand belts in stock, but I don't think they > do. How many more years will we have OEM belts available? > > A comment specifically referencing the BX300, Jeff W. has tested a wide > assortment of replacement belts in the BX300/MR1 and found the capstan > motor's design keep W/F low enough. Ram, citing his ZX9 experience (the > ZX9 capstan is similar to the BX300), provides some counter-evidence. > Perhaps we need to hear some others' experiences? In my limited experience the 582 ('classic' transport) was *far* more critical of belt quality than the BX-300/MR-1/CR-5/CR-7 DD Sankyo transport. -- Ron > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: shanti ramachandran > Sent: May 8, 2008 7:59 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 BELTS > > Robert, > > ESL in Connecticut is your best bet fro OEM belts. Period. > > I had a ZX9( sounding great) whose belt finally conked. Jeff of ESL > sent me an OEM ZX 9 belt and after installing that belt the deck has > started sounding 10 times better. Sharper sound, superb bass, rock > solid speed. I did not think the ZX9 could sound this good, until > the belt was replaced. > > Changing the belt alone may not help, however, for your tape edge > issue. There may be a guide alignment required here too, along with > the head alignment tweaks. > > Regards and good luck, > > Ram > > > */ROBERT WEBER /* wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can purchase a belt for my BX 300. My Nak > is 23 years old and works very well except it tends to damage the > edges of the tape. I am told that this is due to a worn and loose > belt. Well it is quite loose even though it still functions, but > the > tape edge damage is driving me nuts. > > Thank you. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. > Try it now. > > > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon May 12 21:25:23 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Bx-2 problem In-Reply-To: <00a901c8b193$23997eb0$6acc7c10$@com> Message-ID: <829263.85654.qm@web83107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Could be the function belt broke or fell off. I believe this deck has a motor and belt that drive the cam to put it in play, ff, rew etc. Warren SheldO wrote: Hello everybody! I’ve had my BX-2 for quite some time now and I went to record a tape today when the whole machine locked up. The lights on the buttons randomly kept changing and the whole head/pinch roller mechanism froze in the upward position. Even after turning it off and on, trying to press eject and doing everything else imaginable, the mechanism STILL will not go down. One of the motors must have busted. What do you guys think? I love this little machine and I am now HEARTBROKEN! SheldO Cell: 780-660-2700 Home: 780-464-3914 Check out my YouTube page! http://www.youtube.com/sheldance27 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue May 13 21:44:10 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:44:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ali, Firstly thanks for the compliment. Before I answer with my list of amplifiers I've enjoyed, let me declare my preferences (biases, tastes, or however you wish to characterize it). As some of you know, I learned audio during a five-year apprenticeship to become a recording engineer in the 1970s. It was a fabulous experience, and during the apprenticeship we were taught far more than just recording technique. Much of the training was to be able to recognize many forms of distortion, noise and quality loss and understand the cause and customary solutions of those losses. Once I remarked to one of the engineers it was great that we apprentices would learn to be objective listeners. The engineer then took me to task in front of the whole studio crew for my statement that was both ignorant and egotistical. He explained that no matter how trained a person's hearing becomes you still have preferences as to the "best" sound -- it's impossible to be perfectly objective, no matter how much a person fancies themselves as objective. Furthermore, the engineer explained, everyone has their own preferences as to best sound, and no person's particular preference is the most correct. Well, I never forgot the lesson. Also, in the 1970s I began manufacturing custom amplifiers and signal processors (a business activity I'm still pursuing), as well as selling and servicing several brands of stereo equipment including Nakamichi. This is a bit nerve-wracking, because it means I have to satisfy other listener's preferences, regardless of my individual preferences. One benefit is that over the years, I've broadened the range of sonic "flavors" I enjoy and thus have more opportunities to enjoy good sound than I did in the past. So, with that in mind, here's my list of the amplifiers I most enjoy, excluding my own designs (which, of course, I enjoy): Abrahamsen Audio Laboratories, Altec A340, Altec-Lansing 9444A, Ampzilla, Audio Research Reference 210, B&K ST-202, Bang & Olufsen Beomaster 1900, ICEPower modules; Bogen DO-30, Carver M-400, Silver 7A; Conrad-Johnson Premier Four, MV100; Crown D-45, D-75 and D-150A; Cunningham 44, Eico HF-87, ElectroVoice Circlotron A30, A50 and A100; Ferrograph F307, Futterman H3-AA, Grommes 260-BA, Harmon-Kardon Citation 5 and Citation 12; Haynes H-2, H-4/OTL; Heathkit W5M, W6M; Kenwood KA-9100, KA-8100, and KA-7100; Krell KRS-200, Langevin 130A, The Leach Amp, Leak Stereo 60, Mark Levinson ML-2, McIntosh MC-30, MC-40, MC-80, MC-225, MC-240, MC-275 and MC-3500; Mullard 3-3, 5-20; Naim NAP-500, NAB-300; Nakamichi 620, STASIS; Nelson Pass Aleph 3, "Zen"; New York Audio Labs Moscode 401HR, OTL-3; Nikko 230, Pederson W-50, Phase Linear 200 SE2, Pilot AA-902, Pioneer SPEC-2, PS Audio IICS +, Model One; QSC 1200, Quad Model 22, Radford STA-100, Radiotron A515 (original, not the version found on the Internet), Revox A78, Rowland Model 9, SAE A201, Mark XXXI; Spox 8-1, Stromberg-Carlson AP-80, Thordarson TS-55, Threshold STASIS S/350 (original) and STASIS-R 3.0; Western-Electric and Westrex models having beam tetrode output sections, especially a rare prototype based on the 142A I once heard, and Yamaha models made from 1975 to 1980, plus the B6 (pyramid shape), and M4. By the way, my collection of amplifiers and receivers includes a Bang & Olufsen Beomaster 1900, B&K ST-202, Crown D-150, Crown D-75, Dual CV-850, Kenwood KA-7100, Pioneer SX-636, Uher V840, Yamaha M-4. On May 5, 2008, at 10:15 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Kermit, Please let me know list of amplifiers that you liked > the best as I value your judgement , the best amp I have heard thus > far has been Sony TA 4650 VFET(vertical field effect transistor) > this amp has vertical field effect transistors in power output > section which is very tube like sounding and rare compared to other > sony amps. Also like the sound of Sansui 1000A 40w/ch tube > receiver with 7591 tubes , what is your take on these amps?! let me > know. Thanks! > I've never heard the Sony VFET models, but I'll look for one because you have piqued my curiosity. The Sansui 1000A has a good valve amp, the 7591 is easy to drive and has a sound reminiscent to me of the 807 found in many professional amplifiers, the main criticism I have is the turnover points of the bass and treble controls seems to cause excessive boominess and grating treble with modern speakers, although the choices of turnover points makes sense for use with the loudspeakers made at the time the Sansui was new. The Sansui 1000A is far better to my ears than Fisher's receivers, even though the two brands have similar circuits. Sansui amps and receivers are equipped with Hashimoto output transformers, which are among the best sounding ever fitted to a mass-produced tube amp or receiver. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue May 13 22:10:37 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:10:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <050720080143.23207.482109450009F21700005AA722165486869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <050720080143.23207.482109450009F21700005AA722165486869C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <08359DB8-C072-45FE-A513-F319C95D8A80@kvglabs.com> Hi Andy, On May 6, 2008, at 8:43 PM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > Hi, Kermit: > > Believe it or not, I actually followed just about everything you had > to say about the different classes of amplifier, as I have done > reading on this same subject and find it fascinating (he said, as he > adjusted his pocket protector....) > > Well, it's true! I *do* find this fascinating! > > One question: When you say "inverse feedback", is that another way > of saying "negative feedback"? Yes. > And is it your assertion that Class A amplifier designers like to be > able to use greater inverse feedback simply to make the amp look > better on the spec sheet, with little regard for "real world" sound? No. Let me expand on my remarks: I agree with Ron that the ideal amplifier has no nonlinearities or noise, a concept we called "the straight wire with gain" in the 1970s. Read most reference works going back as far as 1907 and you'll see the designer is seeking to create an amplifier having no nonlinearities. So it would seem that the lower the distortion the better the amplifier, correct? Well, yes -- and no. The crux of the problem is that although an amplifier having no nonlinearities is indeed the ideal, such an amplifier cannot be made with any existing technology. Arguably, we can get close, but you still cannot made a truly distortionless amplifier. The amplifier, regardless of type, will have noise and nonlinearities. If the amplifier produces any nonlinearities whatsoever, no matter how slight, those nonlinearities will be perceived by the listener. The mechanisms of how listeners perceive an amplifier's effect on sound are complex, and in some ways not understood fully, but a listener's perceptions are affected by factors as diverse as their age, hearing acuity, hearing damage, gender, music tastes, ethnicity, national original, native language, bone mass, the inherent nonlinearities of their own ears, their expectations of what the product will sound like, and many other factors. In sort, the listener, regardless of their experience, has certain innate preferences that the listener perceives as "best sound." So, until the day that technology allows us to create a truly distortionless amplifier, it isn't possible to find one amp design that everyone agrees sounds "best." This is why I have so many different designs -- it's the same reason a chef has so many different foods on the menu - not everyone enjoys the same flavors. Now, here's the key question: it's impossible to create a true zero distortion amplifier (having no nonlinearities). How many nonlinearities are acceptable-sounding? What is the maximum allowable magnitude of the nonlinearities? What distortions are the most objectionable? What amplifier circuit best satisfies the desire for real-world "best sound"? Every designer will have a different answer to these questions just as each listener will prefer different- sounding amplifiers. Do you now see why I have no patience for, and no respect for, silly A vs. B arguments, like tube-vs-transistor, or analog-vs-digital? Because what's really being argued (without realizing it) is the listener's preferences and tastes, not the merit of the different technologies. Arguing tube-vs-transistor or analog-vs-digital is the same as arguing which flavor ice cream is "best": vanilla or chocolate? But such rounds of arguments are great ego food and serve the online community by wasting untold terabytes of server space worldwide. > In my opinion, if they did apply a high degree of inverse feedback > just to obtain better frequency response figures, this was a > mistake. I'd much rather have the extra headroom. You're in good company because many designers agree with you. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue May 13 22:13:59 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:13:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Any Revox B215 owners here? In-Reply-To: <3117.1210473597@cableone.net> References: <3117.1210473597@cableone.net> Message-ID: <4F177971-3C79-4B53-9A71-BFCFF94DD1CB@kvglabs.com> As shipped from the factory, the B215 PAUSE control works only with REC. There are jumpers on the logic board that will change the PAUSE control so that it works with the PLAY control, though. On some Revox remotes, the PAUSE will work with PLAY even though it isn't set up on the deck to do so. On May 10, 2008, at 9:39 PM, mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > Someone asked me a question about the Revox B215 that I can't > answer, and the > documentation I found online doesn't answer it either. Does the > Pause control work > in Play mode? That is, can you pause a playing tape with Pause? In > the manual, > Pause is discussed in relation to Record, not Play. > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue May 13 22:17:26 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:17:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil.............. In-Reply-To: References: <050520081149.1829.481EF45B000425B00000072522155612649C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <5FB420B5-3C4A-4013-8EE2-B3AD772BC012@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <568EBAF8-C080-4B7A-AC52-E1906E8BE7DB@kvglabs.com> Hi Alex, On May 5, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: > Hi kermit & Andy, > > BTW...Robins in fact was the "American" renamed at that epoch for > Akai products...? I'm correct?. So my passed away lovely daddy who > own such "Gray' color bulk eraser...is exactly this US Robins/Europe > Akai?. Akai was rebadged for sale in the USA as Roberts, both lines are well regarded. Robins made bulk erasers, tape splicers, degaussers and other tape accessories; their main competitor was Nortronics. Many Robins products were made for them by other companies but I don't think Akai was one of their sources. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue May 13 22:22:36 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:22:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34F923CC-F1AB-4B26-BF4C-5A15D43610F0@kvglabs.com> Jeff, All amplifiers are colored, the differences lie in the magnitude and characteristics of their colorations. The phrase "colored versus transparent" is often used by persons who seek to marginalize one point of view by the phrase's implication of one position being better than the other. Those who like the sound of amplifiers that have lower coloration use the term transparent to describe the amplifiers while those who dislike the same sound use the term sterile or analytical. On May 5, 2008, at 11:09 PM, Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: > Hey Andy, > > You're entirely entitled to your opinions, but I disagree with > them. I think you're essentially raising the old colored versus > transparent debate, and you like the colored sound. Nakamichi at > the time was trying for complete transparency, like the CA-5-7. > > Personally I like my $62 TA-4 from eBay which was mistakenly sold as > needing repair because the guy who had pulled it in a home > improvement project didn't know how to operate it. I always go for > the bang-for-the-buck definition of sonic experience. > > Jeff W > > > > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > favorites at AOL Food. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue May 13 22:24:16 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:24:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <482043D3.30206@marrscommunications.com> References: <050520080207.10957.481E6BFF00068E6C00002ACD22155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8E5A89BB-76A0-49F5-AE61-19E9C6C9F8BD@kvglabs.com> <482043D3.30206@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: On May 6, 2008, at 6:41 AM, Marrs Communications wrote: > Hello Kermit > > Although we never met or even had a conversation, I can tell from > your post to Andy you are one in a Million. Bravo! As bright as > some audiophiles are, 99% of them have tunnel vision and can't see > the forest for the trees. Being a audiophile for 40 years, with a > similar background of selling, servicing, upgrading and tweaking, I > learned a long time ago to "see through" new buzz words and fancy > terminology from the manufacturers. All anyone has to know are the > basic theory of electronics, be skeptical of new terminology, and > most importantly look at the forest, not the tree's! Slew factor > was a hot subject a decade ago. I very seldom see it mentioned in > ads today, although the specification is usually listed. The > absolutely best sounding amplifier, pre amplifier, speakers, phono > cartridge et, are the one's that absolutely sound the best to you! > Bravo ! Fred M. > Well said, Fred, I wish everyone shared your point of view. Things would be far more civil and discussions could yield far more insight! -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue May 13 22:27:21 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:27:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <050620080557.13687.481FF34B00020AAC0000357722243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> References: <050520080207.10957.481E6BFF00068E6C00002ACD22155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8E5A89BB-76A0-49F5-AE61-19E9C6C9F8BD@kvglabs.com> <050620080557.13687.481FF34B00020AAC0000357722243651029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: Hey, wow, you beat me to it! I had planned to make the same points, but I think you said them better than I planned to! I think I'll steal your post and use it in my memoirs. On May 6, 2008, at 12:57 AM, ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: > Excellent discussion. And now a word from the friendly neighborhood > curmudgeon. Ah yes, the ol' designer/engineer's dilemma. Take a > little salt here, put a little more sugar there. All this proves is > that there is no best design. Just lots of choices. That being said > how > should a newbie navigate the many pot holes? Most print > advertisement for amps or any other component is merely an opinion. > The goal from the marketeer standpoint of course not to educate as > some would have you believe but to steer the consumer towards the > same goal. BUY MY PRODUCT! Is there any best car, fridge, tv, or > ball point pen? How much is the designer/builder willing to sweat > the details while giving you the least for the most profit. Will a > $30.00/30 year old tube or S/S amp give you the same satisfaction > and enjoyment as a $30K/30 day old amp. I would venture to say that > many blue plate auction specials have brought tears of happiness > akin to the millionaire who dumps unfathomable dollars on a single > phono cartridge. So, I would start with a blank piece of paper and > list all the amps by preference that have captured your fancy and > figured out why they hold a chosen pecking order. Is it the cosmetic > be! auty,&n bsp;unbridled power capacity, execution simplicity, > modern or vintage design image, builder reputation, specific sound > trait, childhood dream etc etc etc? Be honest here, since self > delusion at this choke point will guarantee hunger for the next > biggest/best or newest fad that is ID'd & reinforced by a hungry > vendor. Unfortunately I have personally watched some of the more > amoral types, or industry gurus who have years training, and can > spot this need a mile away, dive bombing their target, feeding this > insecurity, right up to the cash register. Therefore the best > medicine is knowledge. Give yourself time to understand the goal of > each proposed amp whether A/AB/B/H/Tube etc. "Best" means absolutely > nothing if its context is confused by emotions and even then what > are the parameters? We all carry a bias of some form which clouds > judgment. A perfect science this is not. Therefore my own solution > was to obtain a trio of! decent ly priced (for my budget) class A > and AB amp and a small tube job, all with slightly different > signatures that can satisfy my need for smoothness in the wee > morning hours, right after waking up, while my eyes are still semi > shut and then resulution for vocal, and instrumental and classical, > jazz for resolution/detail in the evening. Get it? > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue May 13 22:30:20 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:30:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD428A0C94BFA@mail.mmsav.com> References: <050520080207.10957.481E6BFF00068E6C00002ACD22155538949C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <8E5A89BB-76A0-49F5-AE61-19E9C6C9F8BD@kvglabs.com> <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD428A0C94BFA@mail.mmsav.com> Message-ID: <3DD52DEB-3D7C-45F7-942E-ABA667D81DFB@kvglabs.com> On May 6, 2008, at 8:06 AM, Doug Guth wrote: > Hello Kermit & Andy, > As a former service manager at a Nakamichi, Threshold Audio, etc. > dealer I have had a much different experience with Nakamichi Stasis > receivers. From what I recall, there is very little, if any, global > feedback in a Stasis Amplifier. I know that is the case in the > Threshold amplifiers and should also be the case in the Nakamichi > "Threshold Licensed" units. That was Nelson Pass's genius of the > design. A small Class A amplifier was controlling the large high- > current output stage to force the speaker load to follow the small > Stasis Class A amplifier stage. Hi Don, Thanks for that explanation. I remembered the STASIS amps' design incorrectly, then. I had a Threshold STASIS amp for a few years but it was stolen; it was a wonderful-sounding amplifier. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue May 13 22:50:58 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:50:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: <518b7b10805082347j5f2ea560g57cbca5664db0d13@mail.gmail.com> References: <891973.58532.qm@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <518b7b10805082347j5f2ea560g57cbca5664db0d13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Let me save some time on this topic. My thoughts are reflected in my own amplifier design work -- every conceivable design has merit because its sound will appeal to someone. Ultimately, my opinion is of little more than passing interest -- if you like or dislike an amp or design approach, go for it. That being said, I recall selling the SX-1250 when it was new. Pioneer equipment at that time had a distinctive sound. Some of my customers loved the sound, but most didn't. I found the lower-end Pioneer sold better than Technics, but as far as low end I sold way more Sansui or Kenwood than Pioneer. The Pioneer SX-1250 was high-end and I sold far more Yamaha or Kenwood receivers to high end buyers than I did Pioneer. From 1977 to 1981 I sold and serviced KLH, Cerwin-Vega, Cetec-Gauss, Technics, Kenwood, Pioneer, Sansui, Yamaha, Grace, Dual, Nakamichi, Studer-Revox, Ampex, Shure, AKG, ElectroVoice, JBL, Altec-Lansing, Supex, Microacoustics, Nortronics, EdiTall, Gates, Rek-O-Kut, Russco, MicroTrak, ITC (Tapecaster), Ampro-Scully, and Tapco, as well as my own designs. I chose brands I personally liked, so my customers had a bit more confidence than they might otheerwise have had. I wanted to sell Koetsu, Denon, Otari, Teac, Tascam, MCI, Studiocraft, Allen-and- Heath, Tandberg, Bang & Olufsen, Thorens, Mcintosh, and several other brands but couldn't afford to meet their stocking requirements. On May 9, 2008, at 1:47 AM, george valkov wrote: > On Audiotalk please. > > On 5/8/08, Bob Naylor wrote: >> Kermit, I would also like your 2 cents on the Pioneer SX-1250. I >> own 2 of >> them! Bob N >> >> BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: >> Hi Kermit, Please let me know list of amplifiers that you liked >> the best >> as I value your judgement , the best amp I have heard thus far has >> been Sony >> TA 4650 VFET(vertical field effect transistor) this amp has >> vertical field >> effect transistors in power output section which is very tube like >> sounding >> and rare compared to other sony amps. Also like the sound of >> Sansui 1000A >> 40w/ch tube receiver with 7591 tubes , what is your take on these >> amps?! >> let me know. Thanks! >> >> Ali > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Tue May 13 23:58:56 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:58:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Update on head height test tape Message-ID: <9DE37431-A159-457D-999A-06BA32D05880@kvglabs.com> Hello all, I wanted to pass along this update on the head height test tape I've been working on: the clone of the Nakamichi track height test tape with the test tone between the stereo tracks. Because of health issues and other business interests I need to concentrate on, I did finish the design of the tape last month but I find I just do not have time to make the tapes. (By the way I'm also licensing out many of my amplifier and signal processor designs so that I can be free to pursue other business interests and meet pressing deadlines.) Not to worry, I've been in contact with another interested party on this list who had desired to make the same kind of tape. So I shared my research with him and basically turned the project over to this other person. If by some chance the person doesn't end up wanting to maker the tapes I'll pick up the project after I've met some production deadlines in September. I'm not naming the person I contact by their request for confidentiality at this time. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed May 14 02:50:51 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 01:50:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Any Revox B215 owners here? In-Reply-To: <4F177971-3C79-4B53-9A71-BFCFF94DD1CB@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <9CB53F2C98DC4AA7958E6434E16A9579@GrahamNPC> Funny you should mention that - it's the reverse on my Rega Jupiter 2000 - if you press Play when the machine is playing, it will pause. There is no pause button on the CD machine. However, there IS a pause button on the remote, which works (of course) but if you press Play on the remote when the machine is playing is does not pause. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 9:14 PM To: mrm12000 at cableone.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Any Revox B215 owners here? As shipped from the factory, the B215 PAUSE control works only with REC. There are jumpers on the logic board that will change the PAUSE control so that it works with the PLAY control, though. On some Revox remotes, the PAUSE will work with PLAY even though it isn't set up on the deck to do so. On May 10, 2008, at 9:39 PM, mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > Someone asked me a question about the Revox B215 that I can't > answer, and the > documentation I found online doesn't answer it either. Does the > Pause control work > in Play mode? That is, can you pause a playing tape with Pause? In > the manual, > Pause is discussed in relation to Record, not Play. > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu May 15 00:46:23 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:46:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Just what you wanted: another belt question! Message-ID: Hello fellow Naktalkers, I know the topic of renewal belts for Nakamichi decks has been rather exhaustively discussed, but I was curious ad had to ask: Has anyone had any experience with the replacement belts sold by TurntableNeedles.com? I've been using their belts for years to renew my 500, 550, 600, 600- II and some of my non-Nakamichi cassette, turntable and reel-to-reel belts. I've not had any problem with increased flutter-and-wow with my Nakamichi decks, my Dual 1249 turntable, Pioneer RT-1011L reel-to- reel, Pioneer CT-4141, CT-F7171, CT-F7272 and Wollensak 2551AV cassettes; and the truly awful Uher 4000 Report L and 4400 Report Stereo mini reel-to-reels (which are quite finicky with regard to belts). But a belt I bought on their recommendation over the telephone for my Rega Planar 3 greatly increased its flutter-and-wow. http://www.turntableneedles.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=20171 lists their "Nakamichi compatible belts." -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun May 25 21:16:09 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 21:16:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sites down... Message-ID: <4839BAF9.5020801@xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, What never happens happened while I was on holiday the last 2 weeks, the naks.com server went down... I'm back now and rebooted the beast and now things should be back to normal again. Sorry about this and thanks to those who mailed me with their concerns what happened to the websites and naktalk! Wouter From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri May 9 03:13:41 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 01:13:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 BELTS Message-ID: In a message dated 5/8/2008 5:14:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shantiram2000 at yahoo.com writes: Robert, ESL in Connecticut is your best bet fro OEM belts. Period. I had a ZX9( sounding great) whose belt finally conked. Jeff of ESL sent me an OEM ZX 9 belt and after installing that belt the deck has started sounding 10 times better. Sharper sound, superb bass, rock solid speed. I did not think the ZX9 could sound this good, until the belt was replaced. Changing the belt alone may not help, however, for your tape edge issue. There may be a guide alignment required here too, along with the head alignment tweaks. Regards and good luck, Ram Hi Ram, I beg to differ. Although ESL apparently has the last stash of 8096C classic or standard transport belts and is selling them for $75 each as far as I know, I myself can sell anyone a belt for the ZX-9, BX-300, MR-1, CR-4-5-7 which will test exactly as good as the original belts for these models. And I'll only charge $8 each Paypal anywhere in the world. I've tested them myself. Jeff Whittier **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Sat May 10 02:03:43 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 00:03:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications Message-ID: <4824E650.3090309@sbcglobal.net> I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from Fred at Marrs Communications. I just want to put in a bit of positive feedback for the guy. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the results and sound. Based on other decks I have measured, including reel to reels, these are very good numbers. From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon May 12 19:59:26 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:59:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Slander In-Reply-To: <270353.50675.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <270353.50675.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4828857E.4080106@marrscommunications.com> Kevin, The belt Willy used was the 8096-D. The belt he replaced was the 1st belt I was using in my kits. Thanks for mentioning the new belt. There are still doubters out their. Fred M. Kevin Fetner wrote: >Ray, >I just got back into town, otherwise I would have >addressed this post earlier. I don't want to get into >the argument of Pioneer versus Nak amp design, but you >DO mention (indirectly), an inaccurate account of my >dealing with *andy* and my Nak RX-505. You throttled >me privately for praising *andy's* work publicly >before I even had my deck back. While it is true I >didn't have my deck back, he told me it was working >perfectly and true to his word it was-mechanically. I >dropped the ball in not asking him to check the bias >setting and the Dolby circuitry. Since then, I sent >the deck to Willy Herman who is much closer (unless >you think he's a 'hack' as well?), he said it was >nearly calibrated and he got it the rest of the way >very easily. One thing he found was that the belt used >was the cause of some major wow & flutter issues as he >measured them. This belt was a 'Fred' belt BTW, from a >kit that would now be a yr old I bought on ebay. Willy >said that since then, 'Fred' has a belt that was >nearly close to the original in wow & flutter specs >and he put that in my deck. So mainly, what I was >hearing that was 'off' was extreme wow and flutter >issues-that explains a lot. Your insinuation that >*andy* is a hack and that I now have a 'flawed' deck >is not only inaccurate, but slanderous. I've not told >anyone I was unhappy with *andy's* work, so please >don't put words into my mouth. Andy did exactly what I >told him to do-mechanically debugged a very lame 'ebay >bought' cheap, RX-505. He also offered to calibrate my >deck for free after I got it back and decided it was >"off"-instead, I sent it closer, rather than risk >shipping damage again clear across the country. Simple >as that. > >Kevin > >Have to go with Nelson Pass, and Nakamichi on this >one. Sometimes its > true, a vintage peice and its memories touch the >heart, but NO WAY > does > the Pioneer Receiver, any of them, touch the Nak >Stasis Amp in this > matchup. The statement someone else made was true, >Pioneer Elite is > another ballgame, but Id still side with Nak and >Nelson. And > ordinarily, > its true, it would not be a receiver in the >comparison, it would be > Amplifier, or Integrated Amp. The Pioneer you mention >isnt even the > top of > the line. I think your having a biased opinion here. >Nelson Pass is a > genius, and his technology lives on, take a look at >his latest > ventures, > and prices. And yet the company is still very >helpful, with customer > support with products that he made years ago. This is >2 seperate > leagues > of quality, and your either hearing what you want to >hear, or > something > isnt quite right with the components, or testing. I >notice in > different forums, there are alot of people attacking >you, claiming > that y! > ou ente >r the forums just to get advice on how to fix >something, or if there > are common problems with different speakers, decks, >receivers, etc... > then disappear....So, I dont know if you are doing a >truely fair and > equal > comparison.Andy, Im aware that you do repairs to an >extent on certain > decks, but there are alot of angry people in the >Kenwood, and other > vintage forums that are trying to pass the word to >others, not to give > you > answers any longer on how to troubleshoot things you >inquire about. I > know of a RX-505 that you repaired, and its now >tempremental to only > one kind of blank tape. That isnt right at all. I >have the same unit, > maintained by Nakamichi, and I have alway been able >to use any blank > tape > of my choice, with little or no bias adjustment, and >the results from > tape to tape varied very very little, the results of >my recordings, > have rivaled all of my Properly Calibrated and Spec'd >out Reel to Reel > Decks, including a Professional 2 Track Mastering >deck, that had spee! > ds of 1 >5 and 30 ips. which was a brand new unit, and my other >Open Reel units > are all top of the heap, 1/2 track or 1/4 track, the >Tandbergs being > among the best, and Jeff Galin knows the Tandberg >expert that put > these > decks to better than new, with all NOS Tandberg Parts >and Mods, > including new Tandberg Heads, rollers, etc..... > > My point is, I dont think that this is a >fair and > qualified comparison, if it were, there would be no >contest, the Nak > would blow > away the Pioneer Receiver. Something is wrong. > > Ray > > >------------------------------ > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a better friend, newshound, and >know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From Bansijeff at aol.com Mon May 12 20:32:07 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 14:32:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 BELTS Message-ID: In a message dated 5/12/2008 10:41:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: Ram makes an excellent point in his post. We value the high level of performance our Nakamichis provide. When we compromise one aspect, such as a belt that is almost as good but not quite as good what is that saying about our values? Is extended frequency response more important than speed stability? Linn Sondek turntables have a 30 year history of establishing the musical significance of stellar speed stability... As I look into the future my #1 concern is that we have an adequate supply of capstan belts that perform as the originals. I could sleep better if ESL had one thousand belts in stock, but I don't think they do. How many more years will we have OEM belts available? A comment specifically referencing the BX300, Jeff W. has tested a wide assortment of replacement belts in the BX300/ MR1 and found the capstan motor's design keep W/F low enough. Ram, citing his ZX9 experience (the ZX9 capstan is similar to the BX300), provides some counter-evidence. Perhaps we need to hear some others' experiences? tom brucker Hi Tom, I have never owned a ZX-9. I bought one from Victor Trifu on eBay, but he never sent it and I finally got my money back from Paypal. So, I have never been able to personally run a belt test on one. However, you yourself ran a T-100 test on a thin 9.2 belt I managed to find wholesale on a ZX-9 I believe you had in for repair and found it performed exactly within specs. That's in the archives somewhere. There are two different direct-drive motors used on Naks. If anyone wants a more technical discussions of the differences, look up my post "Direct drive in Naks" from about 2 years ago where I went back and quoted the engineering material from the brochures of the relevant models. Essentailly, there is the Dragon/ZX-9 motor on the one hand, and the motor other used in the MR-1, BX-300, and CR4-5-7. The ZX-9 motor is very sophisticated and uses "a star-shaped rotor magnetization to generate cog-free uniform torque" (form the Dragon brochure). The BX-300 motor gives almost, but not quite, the same very, very low wow & flutter by using a massive flywheel. I personally do not like to fool around with repairing the direct drive motors as I have been warned by those who have done it that they have tricky magnetic forces at work which make disassembly and reassembly really nasty. The BX-300 motor is especially forgiving of generic belts due to the massive flywheel. The tolerances are much easier due to the flywheel, and the BX-300 will easily tolerate any good thin 9.1 inch belt. Several turntable places online carry such a belt. PRB belts are not very good, as they're too thick, but they will still test near spec. I have been warned not to use them though, as thicker belts may wreck the bearings, according to at least 2 guys who claim to have seen that happen. So, I have not found any replacement belt currently available for the classic 8096C belt, and still recommend that anyone who wants top performance from their classic deck spend the big bucks and get one from ESL. I'm looking forward to testing the one you have recently suggested. However, in the case of the direct drive decks, the belt picture is pretty good, and there are still several belts being manufactured which work as well as the ESL belt which they sell for direct drive decks for around $50 I think. Right now I still have a few of these BX-300 belts available for $8 per belt, as I bought a big batch of them to qualify for a wholesale minimum purchase requirement about a year ago. They've been in a sealed baggie in the dark ever since. Jeff Whittier **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. 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It also relates to his belt test of Fred's belt. Several of us have been exchanging emails about Andy's picture of his T-100 used to support his wow-and-flutter specs in his sales of Nak decks on eBay. If these pictures are inspected closely, the T-100 is set to the wrong setting, the wrong range, for the decks in question. The pictures show a T-100 set to the 1% range instead of to the 0.1% range. This would result in false low readings. So my question to Andy is how do you explain this? I'm perfectly willing to listen to the explanation, but it does seem a little weird to me. Jeff W **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Mon May 12 22:01:43 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 20:01:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nelson Pass In-Reply-To: <005201c8b1cb$2bac2ac0$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> References: <050820081327.15283.4822FFBE0002F34E00003BB322155786749C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <005201c8b1cb$2bac2ac0$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Message-ID: I totally agree with Dave. Andy has been a great help to me and I am sure to many others. I have had problems with a couple of my Naks and whenever Andy answers my post I feel confident that now I will get a detailed, fully descriptive and thoroughly laid out step by step troubleshooting advice for free. Keep up the good work Andy and don't let anyone make you feel down. ~Nadeem~ > From: john.bowley at mypostoffice.co.uk> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nelson Pass> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:52:34 +0100> > In Andy's defence [if he really need it which I doubt!!]> > Why the hell would he be expected to join a forum other than to express his > views/share his knowledge/accept advice from other more knowledeable people.> All of the Naktalk forum can attest I would hope, unless they have very > short memories, to Andy's efforts to pass on knowledge gained to others for > free through some excellent documenting work, now part of Luis's site ,as > have previous & current Naktalk personnel on various common problems such as > the Orange caps etc.> We should be grateful that he is following the trends set by the other > 'gurus' in this respect & not jump to criticise on the back of very thin > 'evidence' that doesn't seem to me to stand scrutiny in any way.> > Andy is a regular contributor to those with problems, always 'goes the extra > distance' to assist those in difficulty & should be applauded for that > virtue.> > Dave> ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:27 PM> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nelson Pass> > > >> > Ray wrote:> >> > " I notice in different forums, there are alot of people attacking you, > > claiming that you enter the forums just to get advice on how to fix > > something, or if there are common problems with different speakers, decks, > > receivers, etc... then disappear...."> >> >> > Ray (and others):> >> > THIS IS NOT TRUE, not as it is written here. There is ONE audio forum > > (notice I didn't say "forumS") on the internet where ONE person--not "alot > > of people"--attacked me for what he perceived to be ingratitude on my > > part. For the record, I had a question about a Nakamichi receiver and > > failed to follow up with a "thank you" for the replies I received. The > > question I asked was NOT repair-related.> >> > I have to say that this is the ***ONLY*** time I ever failed to express > > gratitude, and this ONE person--not "alot of people"--jumped all over it. > > Several people came to my defense, to the point where the person who > > complained about me doesn't even post in that forum any more--at least he > > didn't the last time I checked. I am not sure how ONE person got > > magnified to "alot of people" in Ray's post, but we all know how tales can > > grow taller over time.> >> > Ray has gone on to imply that I routinely take in cassette decks (and > > other stereo items) with problems that I am unable to solve on my own. > > THIS IS NOT TRUE. I don't claim to be the world's foremost authority on > > Nakamichi decks--or anything else, for that matter. But I have done a LOT > > of reading, a LOT of tinkering, and a LOT of repairing. ON MY OWN. I'm > > proud of the work I do, and I have "alot of people" who have been very, > > very happy with my work. And unlike Ray, when I use the phrase "alot of > > people", I can provide a list of names and e-mail address that these > > "people" have given me permission to use as references. In other words, > > when *I* say "alot of people", I can back it up with SPECIFIC information > > and SPECIFIC individuals who can vouch for the work that I did...ON MY > > OWN.> >> > Now I will say that EVERY person who does repairs will come across > > something that he seeks help with. On a couple of occasions in the past I > > have e-mailed a couple of different techs to discuss something I have > > found. On one occasion I have posted to a professional audio repair forum > > about a circuitry issue I discovered (and later repaired). This is a > > common practice among those who do repairs. There isn't a technician > > alive who can claim to know EVERYTHING about EVERY situation found on > > EVERY piece of equipment. You aren't the only one who knows how to read a > > newsgroup, Ray. I see techs looking for help and advice all the time. It > > doesn't mean that they are incompetent. Find me a technician who has > > never needed advice about something he has repaired, and I'll show you the > > Eighth Wonder of the World.> >> > As for the RX-505 I fixed... First of all, the problems I fixed on that > > RX-505 were completely unrelated to the record bias issue. My customer > > had purchased the deck, which was in a non-working state, in hopes of > > fixing it up and using it. A previous owner of this deck had monkeyed > > with it terribly. There were several things wrong with the tape > > transport, both electronically and physically. I fixed ALL of the tape > > transport problems--ON MY OWN, with no help!--and returned it to the > > customer. It turns out that the customer wanted to record using several > > different types of tape. A couple of tape types calibrated OK and sounded > > just fine, but a couple of other tape types were considerably duller > > sounding. There is NO WAY that I could have known about this situation > > beforehand. When I received the deck, the customer's orders were to fix > > the tape transport problems, which I did. I did do a test recording > > before sending the deck back to him, just to make sure that the r> > e!> > cord fu> > nction was working. The deck recorded perfectly for me when I used a > > Maxell XLII tape, so I gave the deck a clean bill of health and sent it > > back to the customer. When the customer received the deck, he discovered > > that some of his tapes sounded dull, and he e-mailed me about it. I > > offered to take another look at the deck, but he wanted to keep the deck > > with him to see if he could figure it out. I have just repeated my offer > > to take another look at the deck. I must repeat this: THE PROBLEM THAT MY > > CUSTOMER IS HAVING IS TOTALLY UNRELATED TO THE PROBLEMS I REPAIRED.> >> > It's sad that I have to discuss an individual repair "out in the open" > > like this, but I had to do it in order to protect my reputation.> >> > Ray, you have taken a simple post where I discussed a preference for one > > receiver over another, and turned it into an opportunity to do a real > > hatchet job on me.> >> > I don't know why you felt that you needed to do this, but I wish you could > > have discussed whatever issue you have with me *privately* before you > > chose to drag my name through the mud in public like this.> >> > As far as I can tell, I have never repaired anything for you, and I have > > never said anything wrong or done anything wrong to you. So I would very > > much appreciate it if you could tell me what it is I have done to deserve > > such an attack> >> > You have used inaccurate and incomplete information to make your > > criticisms about me. If you can point me to any SPECIFIC forums and > > SPECIFIC individuals that are apparently trashing my name all over the > > place, then I will take the appropriate steps, if needed, to correct the > > problem.> >> > Have a good day.> >> >> > *andy*> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> >> > ______________________________________________> > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence> > http://www.netintelligence.com/email> >> >> >> > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG.> > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.11/1422 - Release Date: > > 08/05/2008 17:24> >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ All new Live Search at Live.com http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon May 12 22:31:41 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 14:31:41 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery Message-ID: Hi Ron -Guess we've got a few things in common. I just purchased a Dual 1264 belt drive turntable with a Shure V15 type IV cartridge. My other turntable which I have owned the last 14 years is a Technics SL-Q2 direct drive with an Ortofon VMS5E Mk II cartridge. I have yet to compare the two to each other. Do you have any opinion on which turntable / cartridge I should record on?> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:55:33 -0400> From: ra.ah at rcn.com> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery> > Bob,> > I am curious... Since you already own two SX-1250,> why do you need anyone's opinion of it?> > I owned an SX-1250 for about 6 years, fed by a Nak> 700 and a Dual 701 with a Shure V15VMR cartridge> and driving a JBL L-65 pair. The SX-1250 provided> excellent sound and was totally reliable (I still> have the service manual, that I never used).> Eventually, I replaced it with a ReVox B285> receiver, that I kept for the next 20 years.> > -- Ron> > > > Bob Naylor wrote:> > Kermit, I would also like your 2 cents on the Pioneer SX-1250. I own 2 > > of them! Bob N> > > > */BOEING747600 at aol.com/* wrote:> > > > Hi Kermit, Please let me know list of amplifiers that you liked> > the best as I value your judgement , the best amp I have heard thus> > far has been Sony TA 4650 VFET(vertical field effect transistor)> > this amp has vertical field effect transistors in power output> > section which is very tube like sounding and rare compared to other> > sony amps. Also like the sound of Sansui 1000A 40w/ch tube> > receiver with 7591 tubes , what is your take on these amps?! let me> > know. Thanks!> > > > Ali> > > > In a message dated 5/5/2008 9:35:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,> > notarbene at kvglabs.com writes:> > > > Hey Andy,> > > > As a former Pioneer dealer, you made my day! (Sold Nakamichi too, > > albeit briefly.)> > > > Audio equipment advertisers have over-used and misused the term> > 'Class > > A' over the years and have promulgated a myth based on the > > generalization that Class A is the best sound around. By the way, > > only some theories of amplifier design describe Class A as the> > best > > sound, other theories demonstrate Class B amplifiers as> > theoretically > > superior because of increased efficiency that allows the > > implementation of greater inverse feedback without ill effect.> > Class A > > amplifiers are biased to conduct a signal for the entire cycle, a > > Class B amplifier conducts a signal for only half the cycle and a > > Class C amplifier conducts a signal only on the peaks. Class A> > is the > > least efficient, Class C the most, but Class C is found only in> > radio > > transmitters. If an amplifier is operating push-pull it cannot> > be pure > > Class A, as each device in the pair conducts only half the wave> > form, > > even if each device in the push-pull pair is itself biased as> > Class A. > > Confused? Don't feel badly, many professionals get this> > distinction > > confused. Most push pull amplifiers are biased between Classes A> > and > > B, and are thus designated Class AB. You will find considerable > > disagreement on these points, but only from advertisers, blow> > hards, > > egotists, guys who love to argue for the sake of arguing (or to> > be the > > center of attention) and beginners.> > > > The only determinants of audio amplifier quality are the> > designer's > > skill, component quality and the designers' design choices. Some> > of > > the best amplifiers I've heard have been Class A (a particular > > Thordarson comes to mind) whiled some of the worst amplifiers I've > > heard are also Class A. The finest amplifier I've ever heard was> > a one-> > of-a-kind Westrex theater amplifier -- it was Class B! Please as> > me > > for a list of my favorite power amplifiers because my amplifier > > designs are my favorites, with the exception of a few Westrex, > > Thordarson, McIntosh, and Crown models.> > > > The STASIS isn't a true class A because it is a push-pull> > (actually > > Class AB), although I believe its output devices are biased much > > closer to Class A than to Class B.> > > > The sterility you are perceiving in the STASIS is likely the> > result of > > a high degree of inverse feedback applied to the amplifier.> > There was > > a design fad for too many years to designing an amplifier that had > > extreme gain, was biased 'hot' (closer to Class A than Class B)> > then > > had massive amounts of inverse feedback applied. This result in an > > amplifier with quite impressive specs, that was dead quiet and> > that > > had magnificent square wave response on an oscilloscope -- but> > to many > > listeners these amplifiers sound harsh, sterile, critical and > > fatiguing. For the sake of balance, some listeners love these> > very > > same amplifiers and are blown away but the clarity, speed,> > harmonic > > purity, incredible detail and extremely low distortion. Both> > points of > > view are equally valid, and merely reflect the tastes of the > > individual listener. Unfortunately, some who express an opinion on > > amplifier sound put forth their opinions as facts, and give> > themselves > > pretentious labels (like 'scientific' or 'objectivist') while> > seeking > > to diminish the opinions differing from theirs as 'subjective.'> > Such > > persons merely distract from real issues while demonstrating both > > their egos and their non-rigorous minds. Hearing is one of the> > five > > human senses, and as such is always subjective, so being> > labelled as > > subjective is irrelevant; it comes under the heading of, 'Yes,> > and so > > what? We all are!' what I love most about audio is that no> > matter what > > your equipment sounds like, someone will like its sound! there's> > room > > for every conceivable sound, every technology and every> > approach! It > > is one of the few fields of endeavor where truly there is no> > right or > > wrong, no one 'best' (another invention of marketers and egotists).> > > > On May 4, 2008, at 9:07 PM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote:> > > > >> > > A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my> > then-recently-acquired > > > vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some> > vintage > > > KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs.> > >> > > The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always > > > dangerous)...> > >> > > I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you> > who > > > don't know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier> > technology > > > that was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed> > from > > > Threshold, the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the> > time. > > > The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically,> > Class A > > > amps are the 'purest' form of amplification because the output > > > signal is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input > > > signal...only louder, of course.> > >> > > Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided> > to do a > > > head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi.> > >> > > I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the> > vintage > > > KLH pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio> > model 7A > > > monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really> > deserving of > > > 'audiophile' status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes> > speakers > > > that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't> > sound > > > bad, either.> > >> > > After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly> > shocked.> > >> > > The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but> > MUCH, > > > MUCH better. There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's> > sound > > > was warm and powerful, with excellent control over the upper > > > frequencies. In my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or> > treble > > > with no real character to it and merely lots of sibilance> > instead, > > > is a hallmark of a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. > > When > > > bad treble is present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate> > it. > > > The sound of the Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I> > got a > > > sense that the different instruments were really occupying> > their own > > > places in the stereo image.> > >> > > In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very> > clinical. > > > It's as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy,> > and it > > > overshot the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. > > I never > > > got the sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The> > Nakamichi > > > was pretty good with tape sources, since its 'clinical' sound> > helped > > > to combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but> > in just > > > about every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the> > Pioneer. > > > The Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it> > clarity and > > > warmth, whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be 'doing its> > job', > > > with no real 'feeling' (for lack of a better word).> > >> > > Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I > > > listen to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and> > for > > > movies it sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie> > theater > > > low-end. I suppose that the increased output and headroom> > does make > > > a difference in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does> > make a > > > difference. But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH > > > difference there is between the two Nakamichi receivers--and> > how > > > much better the Pioneer sounds than either of them.> > >> > > In all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I> > didn't > > > want preferential tone settings to color my impression.> > >> > > I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference> > in the > > > sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I> > DID hear > > > a difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer.> > >> > > And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a> > Pioneer > > > SX-750 that is better still!> > >> > > If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer> > when > > > it comes to cassette decks! :-)> > >> > >> > > *andy*> > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. http://www.windowsvista.com/SP1?WT.mc_id=hotmailvistasp1banner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmm at math.bu.edu Mon May 12 23:00:51 2008 From: dmm at math.bu.edu (Diane Meuser) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 17:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 + ZX-7 Service Question Message-ID: Dear Naktalk Members, My ZX-9 is having some trouble playing tapes. Specifically as it gets near to the end of a tape it slows, then stops. It has been doing this on a few tapes so I am pretty sure it is not the tapes. Is this something serious or an easy fix? I don't repair my own decks (would love to know how, but don't) so I thought I would ask you experts before bringing it in. Separately I now own a ZX-9 and a ZX-7 (in addition to three BX-100's). Since I don't repair my own decks I am wondering whether the ZX-9 and ZX-7 should be brought in on a regular basis for routine servicing or only when something goes wrong. I've owned the BX-100's a longer time (one since '84) and with them I just wait until something goes wrong, then bring them in for servicing (although I have learned to change the idler tires myself). Since the ZX-9 and ZX-7 are more complicated machines I'm wondering whether routine servicing might be more suitable for them and what this should include. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Diane From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon May 12 23:14:33 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 17:14:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bx-2 problem In-Reply-To: <829263.85654.qm@web83107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <00a901c8b193$23997eb0$6acc7c10$@com> <829263.85654.qm@web83107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910805121414u53356e8fn855f0515442ca45b@mail.gmail.com> Nope, it's a worm gear. The BX-2 only has one belt, for it's capstan. 2008/5/12 Warren Bendler : > Could be the function belt broke or fell off. I believe this deck has a > motor and belt that drive the cam to put it in play, ff, rew etc. > > Warren > > > > SheldO wrote: > > > > Hello everybody! I've had my BX-2 for quite some time now and I went to > record a tape today when the whole machine locked up. The lights on the > buttons randomly kept changing and the whole head/pinch roller mechanism > froze in the upward position. Even after turning it off and on, trying to > press eject and doing everything else imaginable, the mechanism STILL will > not go down. One of the motors must have busted. What do you guys think? I > love this little machine and I am now HEARTBROKEN! > > SheldO > > Cell: 780-660-2700 > Home: 780-464-3914 > > Check out my YouTube page! > http://www.youtube.com/sheldance27 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon May 12 23:19:23 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 17:19:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery Message-ID: Ron, I could use the service manual for my Pioneer SX 1250 which is broken, any help will be much appreciated thanks! Ali In a message dated 5/12/2008 1:44:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ra.ah at rcn.com writes: Bob, I am curious... Since you already own two SX-1250, why do you need anyone's opinion of it? I owned an SX-1250 for about 6 years, fed by a Nak 700 and a Dual 701 with a Shure V15VMR cartridge and driving a JBL L-65 pair. The SX-1250 provided excellent sound and was totally reliable (I still have the service manual, that I never used). Eventually, I replaced it with a ReVox B285 receiver, that I kept for the next 20 years. -- Ron Bob Naylor wrote: > Kermit, I would also like your 2 cents on the Pioneer SX-1250. I own 2 > of them! Bob N > > */BOEING747600 at aol.com/* wrote: > > Hi Kermit, Please let me know list of amplifiers that you liked > the best as I value your judgement , the best amp I have heard thus > far has been Sony TA 4650 VFET(vertical field effect transistor) > this amp has vertical field effect transistors in power output > section which is very tube like sounding and rare compared to other > sony amps. Also like the sound of Sansui 1000A 40w/ch tube > receiver with 7591 tubes , what is your take on these amps?! let me > know. Thanks! > > Ali > > In a message dated 5/5/2008 9:35:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > > Hey Andy, > > As a former Pioneer dealer, you made my day! (Sold Nakamichi too, > albeit briefly.) > > Audio equipment advertisers have over-used and misused the term > "Class > A" over the years and have promulgated a myth based on the > generalization that Class A is the best sound around. By the way, > only some theories of amplifier design describe Class A as the > best > sound, other theories demonstrate Class B amplifiers as > theoretically > superior because of increased efficiency that allows the > implementation of greater inverse feedback without ill effect. > Class A > amplifiers are biased to conduct a signal for the entire cycle, a > Class B amplifier conducts a signal for only half the cycle and a > Class C amplifier conducts a signal only on the peaks. Class A > is the > least efficient, Class C the most, but Class C is found only in > radio > transmitters. If an amplifier is operating push-pull it cannot > be pure > Class A, as each device in the pair conducts only half the wave > form, > even if each device in the push-pull pair is itself biased as > Class A. > Confused? Don't feel badly, many professionals get this > distinction > confused. Most push pull amplifiers are biased between Classes A > and > B, and are thus designated Class AB. You will find considerable > disagreement on these points, but only from advertisers, blow > hards, > egotists, guys who love to argue for the sake of arguing (or to > be the > center of attention) and beginners. > > The only determinants of audio amplifier quality are the > designer's > skill, component quality and the designers' design choices. Some > of > the best amplifiers I've heard have been Class A (a particular > Thordarson comes to mind) whiled some of the worst amplifiers I've > heard are also Class A. The finest amplifier I've ever heard was > a one- > of-a-kind Westrex theater amplifier -- it was Class B! Please as > me > for a list of my favorite power amplifiers because my amplifier > designs are my favorites, with the exception of a few Westrex, > Thordarson, McIntosh, and Crown models. > > The STASIS isn't a true class A because it is a push-pull > (actually > Class AB), although I believe its output devices are biased much > closer to Class A than to Class B. > > The sterility you are perceiving in the STASIS is likely the > result of > a high degree of inverse feedback applied to the amplifier. > There was > a design fad for too many years to designing an amplifier that had > extreme gain, was biased "hot" (closer to Class A than Class B) > then > had massive amounts of inverse feedback applied. This result in an > amplifier with quite impressive specs, that was dead quiet and > that > had magnificent square wave response on an oscilloscope -- but > to many > listeners these amplifiers sound harsh, sterile, critical and > fatiguing. For the sake of balance, some listeners love these > very > same amplifiers and are blown away but the clarity, speed, > harmonic > purity, incredible detail and extremely low distortion. Both > points of > view are equally valid, and merely reflect the tastes of the > individual listener. Unfortunately, some who express an opinion on > amplifier sound put forth their opinions as facts, and give > themselves > pretentious labels (like "scientific" or "objectivist") while > seeking > to diminish the opinions differing from theirs as "subjective." > Such > persons merely distract from real issues while demonstrating both > their egos and their non-rigorous minds. Hearing is one of the > five > human senses, and as such is always subjective, so being > labelled as > subjective is irrelevant; it comes under the heading of, "Yes, > and so > what? We all are!" what I love most about audio is that no > matter what > your equipment sounds like, someone will like its sound! there's > room > for every conceivable sound, every technology and every > approach! It > is one of the few fields of endeavor where truly there is no > right or > wrong, no one "best" (another invention of marketers and egotists). > > On May 4, 2008, at 9:07 PM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > > > A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my > then-recently-acquired > > vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some > vintage > > KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs. > > > > The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always > > dangerous)... > > > > I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you > who > > don't know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier > technology > > that was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed > from > > Threshold, the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the > time. > > The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, > Class A > > amps are the "purest" form of amplification because the output > > signal is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input > > signal...only louder, of course. > > > > Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided > to do a > > head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. > > > > I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the > vintage > > KLH pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio > model 7A > > monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really > deserving of > > "audiophile" status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes > speakers > > that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't > sound > > bad, either. > > > > After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly > shocked. > > > > The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but > MUCH, > > MUCH better. There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's > sound > > was warm and powerful, with excellent control over the upper > > frequencies. In my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or > treble > > with no real character to it and merely lots of sibilance > instead, > > is a hallmark of a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. > When > > bad treble is present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate > it. > > The sound of the Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I > got a > > sense that the different instruments were really occupying > their own > > places in the stereo image. > > > > In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very > clinical. > > It's as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy, > and it > > overshot the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. > I never > > got the sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The > Nakamichi > > was pretty good with tape sources, since its "clinical" sound > helped > > to combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but > in just > > about every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the > Pioneer. > > The Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it > clarity and > > warmth, whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be "doing its > job", > > with no real "feeling" (for lack of a better word). > > > > Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I > > listen to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and > for > > movies it sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie > theater > > low-end. I suppose that the increased output and headroom > does make > > a difference in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does > make a > > difference. But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH > > difference there is between the two Nakamichi receivers--and > how > > much better the Pioneer sounds than either of them. > > > > In all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I > didn't > > want preferential tone settings to color my impression. > > > > I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference > in the > > sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I > DID hear > > a difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer. > > > > And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a > Pioneer > > SX-750 that is better still! > > > > If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer > when > > it comes to cassette decks! :-) > > > > > > *andy* > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Tue May 13 00:06:52 2008 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 00:06:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Reusing tapes In-Reply-To: References: <2260.1209153383@cableone.net> <032E5588-57FE-494F-877A-6281F8BCE490@kvglabs.com> <466AF7C7473E40789098E4F334C41702@number2> Message-ID: On Sat, 10 May 2008 19:00:37 +0200, Mikkel Breiler wrote: >On Tue, 6 May 2008 08:50:47 -0500, "orders at pennysconstruction" > wrote: > >>I'm looking for something that erases reels, beta, vhs and cassettes, >>including metal tapes. All the used models people mentioned here on naktalk >>have no instructions. There have been a few new hand held models pop up on >>ebay, and those would have instructions. > >I can imagine there are people on the list who can tell you how to erase a >tape with whatever model you have for that purpose. Either we know the particular model or it is close to whatever model someone has and the directions for use would apply in most circumstances. -Mikkel From mibm at tdcadsl.dk Tue May 13 00:12:18 2008 From: mibm at tdcadsl.dk (Mikkel Breiler) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 00:12:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] inside joke In-Reply-To: <20680733.1210342290332.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <20680733.1210342290332.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <34gh2499s3dp315oo1hrml5799so18ta3n@4ax.com> On Fri, 9 May 2008 09:11:30 -0500 (GMT-05:00), Tom Brucker wrote: >Please don't be alarmed when we make serious sounding insults to beloved Nakamichis. It is a NakTalk "inside joke", a joke that is funny only if you understand its history. The history is that NakTalk praise has increased the cost of the premier models on auction sites. If we declare a modest performing deck like the BX1 "the best Nakamichi ever", and show contempt for ZX, 7, and ZXL decks prices may drop! >tom brucker Aha. Now what would happen if we all decided that Naks aren't worth crap and gave up the group? ;) -Mikkel, logging in to eBay... From sheldance at gmail.com Tue May 13 02:43:47 2008 From: sheldance at gmail.com (SheldO) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:43:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Bx-2 problem In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910805121243q6a92dc59raba7174080e2add5@mail.gmail.com> References: <00a901c8b193$23997eb0$6acc7c10$@com> <17d5ee910805121243q6a92dc59raba7174080e2add5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I dont think I can follow that guide as there is a cassette stuck in the mechanism - the heads wont go back down. Im not sure how to get it out without breaking anything On 5/12/08, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > Hi, > > it's probably just the cam motor having "dead spots" (carbon buildup > preventing the motor from starting). There's a guide right there to > solve the problem: > http://www.vintagecassette.com/naksarticle.jsp?article=77171 > > 2008/5/9 SheldO : > > Hello everybody! I've had my BX-2 for quite some time now and I went to > > record a tape today when the whole machine locked up. The lights on the > > buttons randomly kept changing and the whole head/pinch roller mechanism > > froze in the upward position. Even after turning it off and on, trying > to > > press eject and doing everything else imaginable, the mechanism STILL > will > > not go down. One of the motors must have busted. What do you guys think? > I > > love this little machine and I am now HEARTBROKEN! > > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alexcozac at hotmail.com Tue May 13 14:52:54 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:52:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Cassettes...think that is very affordable? Message-ID: Hello Nak lovers & owners, Just found a place in NY for buy audio cassettes...seems to me very affordable prices! http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/page/bb/CTGY/audio Good Luck! 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URL: From jagtar at semplay.com Tue May 13 22:02:12 2008 From: jagtar at semplay.com (Jagtar Semplay) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:02:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A69D4E0-790E-4666-ADB2-E98D4A63C3BD@semplay.com> Hi Kermit Thanks for the list of amplifiers, glad to see the Trio KA-7100 in there. I have always wondered if the KA-7100 could be improved by replacing the old wiring or any other tweaks? Jagtar jagtar at semplay.com On 13 May 2008, at 20:44, Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Ali, > > Firstly thanks for the compliment. Before I answer with my list of > amplifiers I've enjoyed, let me declare my preferences (biases, > tastes, or however you wish to characterize it). As some of you > know, I learned audio during a five-year apprenticeship to become a > recording engineer in the 1970s. It was a fabulous experience, and > during the apprenticeship we were taught far more than just > recording technique. Much of the training was to be able to > recognize many forms of distortion, noise and quality loss and > understand the cause and customary solutions of those losses. Once > I remarked to one of the engineers it was great that we apprentices > would learn to be objective listeners. The engineer then took me to > task in front of the whole studio crew for my statement that was > both ignorant and egotistical. He explained that no matter how > trained a person's hearing becomes you still have preferences as to > the "best" sound -- it's impossible to be perfectly objective, no > matter how much a person fancies themselves as objective. > Furthermore, the engineer explained, everyone has their own > preferences as to best sound, and no person's particular preference > is the most correct. Well, I never forgot the lesson. > > Also, in the 1970s I began manufacturing custom amplifiers and > signal processors (a business activity I'm still pursuing), as well > as selling and servicing several brands of stereo equipment > including Nakamichi. This is a bit nerve-wracking, because it means > I have to satisfy other listener's preferences, regardless of my > individual preferences. One benefit is that over the years, I've > broadened the range of sonic "flavors" I enjoy and thus have more > opportunities to enjoy good sound than I did in the past. > > So, with that in mind, here's my list of the amplifiers I most > enjoy, excluding my own designs (which, of course, I enjoy): > > Abrahamsen Audio Laboratories, Altec A340, Altec-Lansing 9444A, > Ampzilla, Audio Research Reference 210, B&K ST-202, Bang & Olufsen > Beomaster 1900, ICEPower modules; Bogen DO-30, Carver M-400, Silver > 7A; Conrad-Johnson Premier Four, MV100; Crown D-45, D-75 and > D-150A; Cunningham 44, Eico HF-87, ElectroVoice Circlotron A30, A50 > and A100; Ferrograph F307, Futterman H3-AA, Grommes 260-BA, Harmon- > Kardon Citation 5 and Citation 12; Haynes H-2, H-4/OTL; Heathkit > W5M, W6M; Kenwood KA-9100, KA-8100, and KA-7100; Krell KRS-200, > Langevin 130A, The Leach Amp, Leak Stereo 60, Mark Levinson ML-2, > McIntosh MC-30, MC-40, MC-80, MC-225, MC-240, MC-275 and MC-3500; > Mullard 3-3, 5-20; Naim NAP-500, NAB-300; Nakamichi 620, STASIS; > Nelson Pass Aleph 3, "Zen"; New York Audio Labs Moscode 401HR, > OTL-3; Nikko 230, Pederson W-50, Phase Linear 200 SE2, Pilot > AA-902, Pioneer SPEC-2, PS Audio IICS+, Model One; QSC 1200, Quad > Model 22, Radford STA-100, Radiotron A515 (original, not the > version found on the Internet), Revox A78, Rowland Model 9, SAE > A201, Mark XXXI; Spox 8-1, Stromberg-Carlson AP-80, Thordarson > TS-55, Threshold STASIS S/350 (original) and STASIS-R 3.0; Western- > Electric and Westrex models having beam tetrode output sections, > especially a rare prototype based on the 142A I once heard, and > Yamaha models made from 1975 to 1980, plus the B6 (pyramid shape), > and M4. > > By the way, my collection of amplifiers and receivers includes a > Bang & Olufsen Beomaster 1900, B&K ST-202, Crown D-150, Crown D-75, > Dual CV-850, Kenwood KA-7100, Pioneer SX-636, Uher V840, Yamaha M-4. > > > On May 5, 2008, at 10:15 PM, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > >> Hi Kermit, Please let me know list of amplifiers that you >> liked the best as I value your judgement , the best amp I have >> heard thus far has been Sony TA 4650 VFET(vertical field effect >> transistor) this amp has vertical field effect transistors in >> power output section which is very tube like sounding and rare >> compared to other sony amps. Also like the sound of Sansui 1000A >> 40w/ch tube receiver with 7591 tubes , what is your take on these >> amps?! let me know. Thanks! >> > > I've never heard the Sony VFET models, but I'll look for one > because you have piqued my curiosity. The Sansui 1000A has a good > valve amp, the 7591 is easy to drive and has a sound reminiscent to > me of the 807 found in many professional amplifiers, the main > criticism I have is the turnover points of the bass and treble > controls seems to cause excessive boominess and grating treble with > modern speakers, although the choices of turnover points makes > sense for use with the loudspeakers made at the time the Sansui was > new. The Sansui 1000A is far better to my ears than Fisher's > receivers, even though the two brands have similar circuits. Sansui > amps and receivers are equipped with Hashimoto output transformers, > which are among the best sounding ever fitted to a mass-produced > tube amp or receiver. > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue May 13 22:49:20 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:49:20 -0400 Subject: VFETs -- Re: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery Message-ID: <17d5ee910805131349o37624939k60225b8e2af8bc12@mail.gmail.com> Hi Kermit, I heard about VFETs, but haven't heard them. VFET was developed by Sony and Yamaha, so you can also look at Yamaha's B-series amps if you want to hear one of the amps. Anyways... Here's the model list: http://www.thevintageknob.org/VFET/VFET-main.html By the way, I just got both a CR-3A and CR-1A on eBay ;-) Antoine 2008/5/13 Kermit Gray : > I've never heard the Sony VFET models, but I'll look for one because you > have piqued my curiosity. The Sansui 1000A has a good valve amp, the 7591 is > easy to drive and has a sound reminiscent to me of the 807 found in many > professional amplifiers, the main criticism I have is the turnover points of > the bass and treble controls seems to cause excessive boominess and grating > treble with modern speakers, although the choices of turnover points makes > sense for use with the loudspeakers made at the time the Sansui was new. The > Sansui 1000A is far better to my ears than Fisher's receivers, even though > the two brands have similar circuits. Sansui amps and receivers are equipped > with Hashimoto output transformers, which are among the best sounding ever > fitted to a mass-produced tube amp or receiver. -- Antoine Deschênes From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue May 13 22:55:10 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:55:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WTB : CR-1A door Message-ID: <17d5ee910805131355k7b1efe6u9a1871b3c4248513@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I just got a CR-1A and CR-3A (A 3 heads Nak, finally!) on eBay (both were in the same listing) The CR-1A's door got lost when the person sent it for maintenance apparently, so I'd need a spare door. ;-) Cheers, Antoine From koman56 at otenet.gr Wed May 14 00:12:35 2008 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 01:12:35 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Any Revox B215 owners here? In-Reply-To: <4F177971-3C79-4B53-9A71-BFCFF94DD1CB@kvglabs.com> References: <3117.1210473597@cableone.net> <4F177971-3C79-4B53-9A71-BFCFF94DD1CB@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <482A1253.8000402@otenet.gr> Kermit i tried the B 215 remote to pause while in play mode but it didn't work..I guess it still needs the jumpers "modification" on the Logic Board to make it work...I do have the service manual but i am afraid to touch anything in case i screw it up.... Kermit Gray wrote: > As shipped from the factory, the B215 PAUSE control works only with > REC. There are jumpers on the logic board that will change the PAUSE > control so that it works with the PLAY control, though. On some Revox > remotes, the PAUSE will work with PLAY even though it isn't set up on > the deck to do so. > > > On May 10, 2008, at 9:39 PM, mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > >> Someone asked me a question about the Revox B215 that I can't >> answer, and the >> documentation I found online doesn't answer it either. Does the >> Pause control work >> in Play mode? That is, can you pause a playing tape with Pause? In >> the manual, >> Pause is discussed in relation to Record, not Play. >> ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Wed May 14 01:50:40 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:50:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Good source for capstan belts Message-ID: <482A2950.5060102@sbcglobal.net> I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from Fred at Marrs Communications. I just want to put in a bit of positive feedback for the guy. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the results and sound. Based on other decks I have measured, including reel to reels, these are very good numbers. Warren From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed May 14 02:49:51 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 20:49:51 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Any Revox B215 owners here? Message-ID: Hi Kermit, MANY Thanks! for your very kind reply to my email with list of great amps you mentioned. I have Crown DC 150A myself which need work as there is lot of distortion in the sound when turn up the volume. Yes you should get hold of a sony VFET amp I think you will like the sound. Being a proud owner of a B 215 Revox my thinking is that the reason B 215 does not pause in play is that the stop function just work as good , because the capstan are always turning all the time as soon as the deck is powered hitting the play button cause the deck to go play in an instant! thanks to 4 motors! transport that might be behind the logic by Revox to do away! with pause function in the play mode, maybe I am wrong! but that's my take on the matter. By the way Kermit do you know were the jumpers or on the logic board that can cause the B 215 to go in pause, it still would be nice to have pause to work if it can be done without upseting the machine that is! Thanks as always Kermit and remember you are a GENIUS!! :) With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 5/13/2008 4:16:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: As shipped from the factory, the B215 PAUSE control works only with REC. There are jumpers on the logic board that will change the PAUSE control so that it works with the PLAY control, though. On some Revox remotes, the PAUSE will work with PLAY even though it isn't set up on the deck to do so. On May 10, 2008, at 9:39 PM, mrm12000 at cableone.net wrote: > Someone asked me a question about the Revox B215 that I can't > answer, and the > documentation I found online doesn't answer it either. Does the > Pause control work > in Play mode? That is, can you pause a playing tape with Pause? In > the manual, > Pause is discussed in relation to Record, not Play. > ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? 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From: notarbene at kvglabs.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Speak of the Devil..............Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:17:26 -0500Hi Alex, On May 5, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Alex Cozac wrote: Hi kermit & Andy, BTW...Robins in fact was the "American" renamed at that epoch for Akai products...? I'm correct?. So my passed away lovely daddy who own such "Gray' color bulk eraser...is exactly this US Robins/Europe Akai?. Akai was rebadged for sale in the USA as Roberts, both lines are well regarded. Robins made bulk erasers, tape splicers, degaussers and other tape accessories; their main competitor was Nortronics. Many Robins products were made for them by other companies but I don't think Akai was one of their sources. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile_052008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From soumitra at soumitrab.com Wed May 14 13:25:48 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:55:48 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] MR Control problem References: <200805141000.m4EA0Pdd018215@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001201c8b5b5$440cd9a0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi all ok, i had taken apart my MR2 mechanism for a general cleaning, lubrication etc ... and put it back all together (and correctly too .. no part missing or extra) ....... well everything is fine except play/ffwd/rewind etc runs for few secs and then turns off. I also noticed there was no photodiode in the auto shut-off PCB which makes me wonder how on earth this thing worked so far. ALso, ocassionally, the play engages and disengages rapidly for a few times before coming to a stop. I did not touch the cams, except apply a miniscule amount of silicone grease on the worm gear. So what is wrong ? What did i do or miss out here ? Thanks for any help Regards Soumi From soumitra at soumitrab.com Wed May 14 15:00:13 2008 From: soumitra at soumitrab.com (soumitra at soumitrab.com) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:30:13 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MR Control problem Message-ID: <002001c8b5c2$752f34d0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Hi all Sorry for the previous post .... the photodiode is there .. on the other side of the pcb which i didnt notice, and the logic cam is working fine now ,,, since i had put in the supply spindle in place of the take up spindle .. (common mistake for me) So, everything is fine .... the reason i did this is coz the take up spindle torque is quite low (even after an idler tyre change) during playback ... compared to FFWD. What could the reason be for this ? Should i increase the reel motor torque via the main PCB preset ? THanks again for any help Regards Soumi ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: MR Control problem > Hi all > ok, i had taken apart my MR2 mechanism for a general cleaning, lubrication > etc ... and put it back all together (and correctly too .. no part missing > or extra) ....... well everything is fine except play/ffwd/rewind etc runs > for few secs and then turns off. > I also noticed there was no photodiode in the auto shut-off PCB which > makes me wonder how on earth this thing worked so far. > ALso, ocassionally, the play engages and disengages rapidly for a few > times before coming to a stop. > I did not touch the cams, except apply a miniscule amount of silicone > grease on the worm gear. > > So what is wrong ? What did i do or miss out here ? > > Thanks for any help > > Regards > Soumi > From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Wed May 14 16:29:56 2008 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:29:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: A Shocking Discovery Message-ID: <482AF764.9000705@sbcglobal.net> Some excellent amplifier discussions. I just wanted to add that anyone wanting to build a nice pleasing stereo system for themselves should trust their ears. And they should spend some quality time listening to live non amplified music. Notice details like the sound of wood on brass cymbals, the impact of the kick drum, the deep tuneful sound of a electric bass that can stop on a dime, the bite of a trumpet, the buzz of a violin, the hard to describe sound of massed strings, the pluck of a harp, etc... These unique sounds that let you know in an instant you are hearing live music. Then as you put together a stereo let your memory of these events guide your choice of components. If not, you just end up a with a nice stereo that sounds like a good hi fi. Fun, but boring after a while. You might be very surprised what kind of gear sounds closer to the real thing to your ears. And Nakamichi cassette decks are just killer in this department! They can make absolutely wonderful music when fed the right source. Ken From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Thu May 15 01:46:48 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:46:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Just what you wanted: another belt question! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <482B79E8.5020105@sbcglobal.net> I have not tried their belts, but thanks for the reference. As for suitable replacements, I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from Fred at Marrs Communications. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the results and sound. Based on other decks I have measured, including reel to reels, these are very good numbers. Warren Kermit Gray wrote: > Hello fellow Naktalkers, > > I know the topic of renewal belts for Nakamichi decks has been rather > exhaustively discussed, but I was curious ad had to ask: Has anyone > had any experience with the replacement belts sold by > TurntableNeedles.com? > > I've been using their belts for years to renew my 500, 550, 600, > 600-II and some of my non-Nakamichi cassette, turntable and > reel-to-reel belts. I've not had any problem with increased > flutter-and-wow with my Nakamichi decks, my Dual 1249 turntable, > Pioneer RT-1011L reel-to-reel, Pioneer CT-4141, CT-F7171, CT-F7272 and > Wollensak 2551AV cassettes; and the truly awful Uher 4000 Report L and > 4400 Report Stereo mini reel-to-reels (which are quite finicky with > regard to belts). But a belt I bought on their recommendation over the > telephone for my Rega Planar 3 greatly increased its flutter-and-wow. > > http://www.turntableneedles.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=20171 lists > their "Nakamichi compatible belts." > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From johnroberts52 at hotmail.com Sun May 25 23:04:26 2008 From: johnroberts52 at hotmail.com (john roberts) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 14:04:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] bx 300 eating tapes Message-ID: my bx-300 has started chewing tapes, not all, but enough to make archiving a risky endeavor. Is there anyone near San Diego that services Naks and what might be causing this problem? _________________________________________________________________ Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From albert.k at gmail.com Sun May 25 05:13:43 2008 From: albert.k at gmail.com (Albert Khurshudian) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 23:13:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Just what you wanted: another belt question! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4f34081e0805242013x2c43ed7andba3f4df4e542af2@mail.gmail.com> I never had a problems with their beltsw too. I bought one for Akai and one for Nak. So far so good, no issues. On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Kermit Gray wrote: > Hello fellow Naktalkers, > > I know the topic of renewal belts for Nakamichi decks has been rather > exhaustively discussed, but I was curious ad had to ask: Has anyone had any > experience with the replacement belts sold by TurntableNeedles.com? > > I've been using their belts for years to renew my 500, 550, 600, 600-II and > some of my non-Nakamichi cassette, turntable and reel-to-reel belts. I've > not had any problem with increased flutter-and-wow with my Nakamichi decks, > my Dual 1249 turntable, Pioneer RT-1011L reel-to-reel, Pioneer CT-4141, > CT-F7171, CT-F7272 and Wollensak 2551AV cassettes; and the truly awful Uher > 4000 Report L and 4400 Report Stereo mini reel-to-reels (which are quite > finicky with regard to belts). But a belt I bought on their recommendation > over the telephone for my Rega Planar 3 greatly increased its > flutter-and-wow. > > > http://www.turntableneedles.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=20171 lists > their "Nakamichi compatible belts." > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the results and sound. Based on other decks I have measured, including reel to reels, these are very good numbers. Warren ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 26 15:52:41 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 09:52:41 -0400 Subject: FW: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <483AC0A9.7010905@rcn.com> I have no experience with either Technics turntable or the Ortofon VMS5E, so can't comment (I did own an Ortofon MM cartridge once -- I'm not sure about the model number -- but very soon replaced it with a Shure V15). I *am* familiar with the dual 1264. In short, it's not Dual's best, by any means, but still, a very nice, well performing TT. As to the V15 type IV -- I owned one for several years, a long time ago, and liked it very much. It's high compliance well matched the Dual low mass arm. When set up correctly, this TT/cartridge combination offered excellent performance for the price. Personally, I'd go with the Dual/Shure, but this is admittedly a personal bias. YMMV. -- Ron Mark Exstedt wrote: > Hi Ron - > Guess we've got a few things in common. I just purchased a Dual 1264 > belt drive turntable with a Shure V15 type IV cartridge. My other > turntable which I have owned the last 14 years is a Technics > SL-Q2 direct drive with an Ortofon VMS5E Mk II cartridge. I have yet to > compare the two to each other. Do you have any opinion on which > turntable / cartridge I should record on? > > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:55:33 -0400 > > From: ra.ah at rcn.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] A Shocking Discovery > > > > Bob, > > > > I am curious... Since you already own two SX-1250, > > why do you need anyone's opinion of it? > > > > I owned an SX-1250 for about 6 years, fed by a Nak > > 700 and a Dual 701 with a Shure V15VMR cartridge > > and driving a JBL L-65 pair. The SX-1250 provided > > excellent sound and was totally reliable (I still > > have the service manual, that I never used). > > Eventually, I replaced it with a ReVox B285 > > receiver, that I kept for the next 20 years. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Bob Naylor wrote: > > > Kermit, I would also like your 2 cents on the Pioneer SX-1250. I own 2 > > > of them! Bob N > > > > > > */BOEING747600 at aol.com/* wrote: > > > > > > Hi Kermit, Please let me know list of amplifiers that you liked > > > the best as I value your judgement , the best amp I have heard thus > > > far has been Sony TA 4650 VFET(vertical field effect transistor) > > > this amp has vertical field effect transistors in power output > > > section which is very tube like sounding and rare compared to other > > > sony amps. Also like the sound of Sansui 1000A 40w/ch tube > > > receiver with 7591 tubes , what is your take on these amps?! let me > > > know. Thanks! > > > > > > Ali > > > > > > In a message dated 5/5/2008 9:35:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: > > > > > > Hey Andy, > > > > > > As a former Pioneer dealer, you made my day! (Sold Nakamichi too, > > > albeit briefly.) > > > > > > Audio equipment advertisers have over-used and misused the term > > > 'Class > > > A' over the years and have promulgated a myth based on the > > > generalization that Class A is the best sound around. By the way, > > > only some theories of amplifier design describe Class A as the > > > best > > > sound, other theories demonstrate Class B amplifiers as > > > theoretically > > > superior because of increased efficiency that allows the > > > implementation of greater inverse feedback without ill effect. > > > Class A > > > amplifiers are biased to conduct a signal for the entire cycle, a > > > Class B amplifier conducts a signal for only half the cycle and a > > > Class C amplifier conducts a signal only on the peaks. Class A > > > is the > > > least efficient, Class C the most, but Class C is found only in > > > radio > > > transmitters. If an amplifier is operating push-pull it cannot > > > be pure > > > Class A, as each device in the pair conducts only half the wave > > > form, > > > even if each device in the push-pull pair is itself biased as > > > Class A. > > > Confused? Don't feel badly, many professionals get this > > > distinction > > > confused. Most push pull amplifiers are biased between Classes A > > > and > > > B, and are thus designated Class AB. You will find considerable > > > disagreement on these points, but only from advertisers, blow > > > hards, > > > egotists, guys who love to argue for the sake of arguing (or to > > > be the > > > center of attention) and beginners. > > > > > > The only determinants of audio amplifier quality are the > > > designer's > > > skill, component quality and the designers' design choices. Some > > > of > > > the best amplifiers I've heard have been Class A (a particular > > > Thordarson comes to mind) whiled some of the worst amplifiers I've > > > heard are also Class A. The finest amplifier I've ever heard was > > > a one- > > > of-a-kind Westrex theater amplifier -- it was Class B! Please as > > > me > > > for a list of my favorite power amplifiers because my amplifier > > > designs are my favorites, with the exception of a few Westrex, > > > Thordarson, McIntosh, and Crown models. > > > > > > The STASIS isn't a true class A because it is a push-pull > > > (actually > > > Class AB), although I believe its output devices are biased much > > > closer to Class A than to Class B. > > > > > > The sterility you are perceiving in the STASIS is likely the > > > result of > > > a high degree of inverse feedback applied to the amplifier. > > > There was > > > a design fad for too many years to designing an amplifier that had > > > extreme gain, was biased 'hot' (closer to Class A than Class B) > > > then > > > had massive amounts of inverse feedback applied. This result in an > > > amplifier with quite impressive specs, that was dead quiet and > > > that > > > had magnificent square wave response on an oscilloscope -- but > > > to many > > > listeners these amplifiers sound harsh, sterile, critical and > > > fatiguing. For the sake of balance, some listeners love these > > > very > > > same amplifiers and are blown away but the clarity, speed, > > > harmonic > > > purity, incredible detail and extremely low distortion. Both > > > points of > > > view are equally valid, and merely reflect the tastes of the > > > individual listener. Unfortunately, some who express an opinion on > > > amplifier sound put forth their opinions as facts, and give > > > themselves > > > pretentious labels (like 'scientific' or 'objectivist') while > > > seeking > > > to diminish the opinions differing from theirs as 'subjective.' > > > Such > > > persons merely distract from real issues while demonstrating both > > > their egos and their non-rigorous minds. Hearing is one of the > > > five > > > human senses, and as such is always subjective, so being > > > labelled as > > > subjective is irrelevant; it comes under the heading of, 'Yes, > > > and so > > > what? We all are!' what I love most about audio is that no > > > matter what > > > your equipment sounds like, someone will like its sound! there's > > > room > > > for every conceivable sound, every technology and every > > > approach! It > > > is one of the few fields of endeavor where truly there is no > > > right or > > > wrong, no one 'best' (another invention of marketers and egotists). > > > > > > On May 4, 2008, at 9:07 PM, hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A couple of months ago, I was enjoying my > > > then-recently-acquired > > > > vintage Pioneer SX-780 receiver. I had it hooked up to some > > > vintage > > > > KLH speakers in the workroom where I do stereo repairs. > > > > > > > > The system sounded great. But then I got to thinking (always > > > > dangerous)... > > > > > > > > I have an absolutely mint Nakamichi SR-3A. For those of you > > > who > > > > don't know, this Nakamichi receiver uses STASIS amplifier > > > technology > > > > that was designed by the legendary Nelson Pass and licensed > > > from > > > > Threshold, the company Mr. Pass was affiliated with at the > > > time. > > > > The STASIS amp is a type of Class A design. Theoretically, > > > Class A > > > > amps are the 'purest' form of amplification because the output > > > > signal is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the input > > > > signal...only louder, of course. > > > > > > > > Anyhow, whether or not you agree with my synopsis, I decided > > > to do a > > > > head-to-head comparison between the Pioneer and the Nakamichi. > > > > > > > > I used two different pairs of speakers. One pair was the > > > vintage > > > > KLH pair, and the other pair was a couple of old Polk Audio > > > model 7A > > > > monitors. I wouldn't say that either pair was really > > > deserving of > > > > 'audiophile' status...just good, decent, meat-and-potatoes > > > speakers > > > > that may not sound *great* in the revelatory sense, but don't > > > sound > > > > bad, either. > > > > > > > > After only a few minutes of listening, I was well and truly > > > shocked. > > > > > > > > The Pioneer not only sounded better than the Nakamichi, but > > > MUCH, > > > > MUCH better. There was no comparison at all. The Pioneer's > > > sound > > > > was warm and powerful, with excellent control over the upper > > > > frequencies. In my opinion, harsh, strident treble and/or > > > treble > > > > with no real character to it and merely lots of sibilance > > > instead, > > > > is a hallmark of a cheaply-made or badly-designed amplifier. > > > When > > > > bad treble is present, I can hear it immediately, and I hate > > > it. > > > > The sound of the Pioneer was very three-dimensional, and I > > > got a > > > > sense that the different instruments were really occupying > > > their own > > > > places in the stereo image. > > > > > > > > In comparison, the Nakamichi's sound was thin and very > > > clinical. > > > > It's as if the amplifier was determined not to sound muddy, > > > and it > > > > overshot the mark. It was actually fatiguing to listen to. > > > I never > > > > got the sense of space that I heard with the Pioneer. The > > > Nakamichi > > > > was pretty good with tape sources, since its 'clinical' sound > > > helped > > > > to combat some of the muddier pre-recorded tapes I own, but > > > in just > > > > about every respect, the Nakamichi struggled against the > > > Pioneer. > > > > The Pioneer could reproduce music with ease, giving it > > > clarity and > > > > warmth, whilst the Nakamichi seemed to simply be 'doing its > > > job', > > > > with no real 'feeling' (for lack of a better word). > > > > > > > > Strangely enough, I don't get quite the same impression when I > > > > listen to my Nakamichi TA-4A. It does sound quite good, and > > > for > > > > movies it sounds VERY good, giving me quite a bit of movie > > > theater > > > > low-end. I suppose that the increased output and headroom > > > does make > > > > a difference in the bass response; in fact, I'm sure it does > > > make a > > > > difference. But it is still a bit surprising to see how MUCH > > > > difference there is between the two Nakamichi receivers--and > > > how > > > > much better the Pioneer sounds than either of them. > > > > > > > > In all cases I left the tone controls out of the circuit. I > > > didn't > > > > want preferential tone settings to color my impression. > > > > > > > > I know that I really shouldn't hear quite so much difference > > > in the > > > > sound under the circumstances. But the fact remains that I > > > DID hear > > > > a difference, and I clearly preferred the Pioneer. > > > > > > > > And to make matters more intriguing, I have just acquired a > > > Pioneer > > > > SX-750 that is better still! > > > > > > > > If its any consolation, I still prefer Nakamichi over Pioneer > > > when > > > > it comes to cassette decks! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > *andy* From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon May 26 15:58:48 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 09:58:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] bx 300 eating tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17d5ee910805260658h1a6a61d1vf048cee9ea1d1b02@mail.gmail.com> Does it stop turning when the tape is being chewed or is it keeping running? If it stops, it means that the capstans feed the tape faster than the take up spool takes it. The idler might need to be changed. If it keeps running, it might be the tape path needing to be cleaned, or too much torque. You can test the torque by unsnapping the front plate from the cover frame. Then close the cover frame, press play and place your fingers on the take up hub. If it stops easily, it probably is an idler problem. This is easy to fix. I've told you the most common problems that can be fixed quite easily by anyone who can use a screwdriver properly. This should put you on track, if you need more details, just ask. ;-) Cheers, Antoine 2008/5/25 john roberts : > my bx-300 has started chewing tapes, not all, but enough to make archiving a > risky endeavor. Is there anyone near San Diego that services Naks and what > might be causing this problem? > ________________________________ > Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i'm Initiative from > Microsoft. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon May 26 16:03:16 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:03:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bx-2 problem In-Reply-To: References: <00a901c8b193$23997eb0$6acc7c10$@com> <17d5ee910805121243q6a92dc59raba7174080e2add5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910805260703u3815c322p3321c7fe8f5a6d17@mail.gmail.com> Hi again, you'd have to manually turn the cam from that motor until it brings the heads down. In fact, you can turn it a bit and it should unstall the motor temporarily (it will be able to turn the heads down). 2008/5/12 SheldO : > I dont think I can follow that guide as there is a cassette stuck in the > mechanism - the heads wont go back down. Im not sure how to get it out > without breaking anything > > On 5/12/08, Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> it's probably just the cam motor having "dead spots" (carbon buildup >> preventing the motor from starting). There's a guide right there to >> solve the problem: >> http://www.vintagecassette.com/naksarticle.jsp?article=77171 >> >> 2008/5/9 SheldO : >> > Hello everybody! I've had my BX-2 for quite some time now and I went to >> > record a tape today when the whole machine locked up. The lights on the >> > buttons randomly kept changing and the whole head/pinch roller mechanism >> > froze in the upward position. Even after turning it off and on, trying >> > to >> > press eject and doing everything else imaginable, the mechanism STILL >> > will >> > not go down. One of the motors must have busted. What do you guys think? >> > I >> > love this little machine and I am now HEARTBROKEN! >> >> >> -- >> Antoine Deschênes >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 26 16:12:29 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:12:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 + ZX-7 Service Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <483AC54D.4070703@rcn.com> Diane Meuser wrote: > Dear Naktalk Members, > > My ZX-9 is having some trouble playing tapes. Specifically as it > gets near to the end of a tape it slows, then stops. It has been > doing this on a few tapes so I am pretty sure it is not the tapes. > > Is this something serious or an easy fix? I don't repair my own > decks (would love to know how, but don't) so I thought I would ask > you experts before bringing it in. This could be caused by any of a large number of problems, either electrical or mechanical. How difficult a repair? That depends on where the problem lies. > Separately I now own a ZX-9 and a ZX-7 (in addition to three > BX-100's). Since I don't repair my own decks I am wondering whether > the ZX-9 and ZX-7 should be brought in on a regular basis for > routine servicing or only when something goes wrong. Ideally, cassette decks should be given routine service on a regular basis. Think of it as the tuneup a car needs every so many miles. However, in a home environment it is difficult to determine how often a cassette deck should be serviced, because it depends on the way and duration of use. Since it is highly unlikely that neglect will cause serious damage, I do not service my own deck until an actual problem occurs. However, I do spring into immediate action as soon as one appears. So, if I were you, I would tend to the ZX-9 right now and leave the ZX-7 and BX-100s be, for as long as they run as they should. -- Ron > I've owned the BX-100's a longer time (one since '84) and with them I > just wait until something goes wrong, then bring them in for > servicing (although I have learned to change the idler tires > myself). Since the ZX-9 and ZX-7 are more complicated machines I'm > wondering whether routine servicing might be more suitable for them > and what this should include. > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated! > > Diane From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 26 16:18:14 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:18:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bx-2 problem In-Reply-To: References: <00a901c8b193$23997eb0$6acc7c10$@com> <17d5ee910805121243q6a92dc59raba7174080e2add5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <483AC6A6.3060309@rcn.com> Remove the covers. Turn the deck on. Carefully help the worm gear on with your finger, to lower the head block. This should enable you to remove the cassette. -- Ron SheldO wrote: > I dont think I can follow that guide as there is a cassette stuck in the > mechanism - the heads wont go back down. Im not sure how to get it out > without breaking anything > > On 5/12/08, *Antoine Deschênes* > wrote: > > Hi, > > it's probably just the cam motor having "dead spots" (carbon buildup > preventing the motor from starting). There's a guide right there to > solve the problem: > http://www.vintagecassette.com/naksarticle.jsp?article=77171 > > 2008/5/9 SheldO >: > > Hello everybody! I've had my BX-2 for quite some time now and I > went to > > record a tape today when the whole machine locked up. The lights > on the > > buttons randomly kept changing and the whole head/pinch roller > mechanism > > froze in the upward position. Even after turning it off and on, > trying to > > press eject and doing everything else imaginable, the mechanism > STILL will > > not go down. One of the motors must have busted. What do you guys > think? I > > love this little machine and I am now HEARTBROKEN! > > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > > From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon May 26 16:30:02 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 09:30:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications In-Reply-To: <8CA8D2968B67F05-10B4-21E0@webmail-dd07.sysops.aol.com> References: <4824E650.3090309@sbcglobal.net> <8CA8D2968B67F05-10B4-21E0@webmail-dd07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <483AC96A.7010109@sbcglobal.net> The belt was in a CR3-A. Warren benstratford at aol.co.uk wrote: > Hi Warren, > Just wondering which deck the 8096-D was fitted to during the tests? > Thanks, Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Bendler > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sat, 10 May 2008 12:03 pm > Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications > > I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from > Fred at Marrs Communications. I just want to put in a bit of positive > feedback for the guy. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and > flutter meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% > Peak, Flutter measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% > weighted, on the JIS scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very > impressed with the results and sound. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 26 16:37:00 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:37:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MR Control problem In-Reply-To: <002001c8b5c2$752f34d0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <002001c8b5c2$752f34d0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <483ACB0C.6030303@rcn.com> soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi all > Sorry for the previous post .... the photodiode is there .. on the other > side of the pcb which i didnt notice, and the logic cam is working fine > now ,,, since i had put in the supply spindle in place of the take up > spindle .. (common mistake for me) > So, everything is fine .... the reason i did this is coz the take up > spindle torque is quite low (even after an idler tyre change) during > playback ... compared to FFWD. What could the reason be for this ? The reason is that drive voltage to the reel motor for PB mode is low, compared to the voltage for FF. This is done on purpose, to provide electrical 'slip' during PB. > Should i increase the reel motor torque via the main PCB preset ? Only if the torque is too low. If the deck consistently plays a C-120 cassette to it's end with no mishap, takeup torque is probably adequate. Setting the torque too high could cause tape damage at the beginning of the cassette. -- Ron > > THanks again for any help > > Regards > Soumi > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:55 PM > Subject: MR Control problem > > >> Hi all >> ok, i had taken apart my MR2 mechanism for a general cleaning, >> lubrication etc ... and put it back all together (and correctly too .. >> no part missing or extra) ....... well everything is fine except >> play/ffwd/rewind etc runs for few secs and then turns off. >> I also noticed there was no photodiode in the auto shut-off PCB which >> makes me wonder how on earth this thing worked so far. >> ALso, ocassionally, the play engages and disengages rapidly for a few >> times before coming to a stop. >> I did not touch the cams, except apply a miniscule amount of silicone >> grease on the worm gear. >> >> So what is wrong ? What did i do or miss out here ? >> >> Thanks for any help >> >> Regards >> Soumi From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon May 26 16:45:17 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 09:45:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] bx 300 eating tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <483ACCFD.3000605@sbcglobal.net> Contact Mike Zuccaro: http://members.aol.com/mjzuccaro/myhomepage/business.html Most likely the pinchroller needs to be replaced. You can try cleaning it with q tips and ethanol. Don't use Isopropyl alcohol, it dries out the rubber. Clean it until there is no brown oxide residue coming off on the q tip.\ Warren john roberts wrote: > my bx-300 has started chewing tapes, not all, but enough to make > archiving a risky endeavor. Is there anyone near San Diego that > services Naks and what might be causing this problem? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i’m Initiative from > Microsoft. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Mon May 26 16:57:45 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:57:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] on getting kicked in the *** In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70F601BE058B4BE4B2115C06337DA895@geoffprimary> Good grief. Why not ask Andy directly - OFFLINE - before posting something like this to the list? Not sure about others, but I find it more than a bit annoying that you constantly slam Fred and seemingly now Andy and then turn around and say that your belts are perfectly fine because you tested them yourself. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.homeautomation.geoff-reynolds.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Bansijeff at aol.com Hi Tom, Thanks for your input. I have a question about Andy's sales on eBay, which I don't want to sound accusatory. It also relates to his belt test of Fred's belt. Several of us have been exchanging emails about Andy's picture of his T-100 used to support his wow-and-flutter specs in his sales of Nak decks on eBay. If these pictures are inspected closely, the T-100 is set to the wrong setting, the wrong range, for the decks in question. The pictures show a T-100 set to the 1% range instead of to the 0.1% range. This would result in false low readings. So my question to Andy is how do you explain this? I'm perfectly willing to listen to the explanation, but it does seem a little weird to me. Jeff W -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon May 26 17:06:25 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:06:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: MR Control problem In-Reply-To: <002001c8b5c2$752f34d0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> References: <002001c8b5c2$752f34d0$0201a8c0@mypcrekbacm4qm> Message-ID: <483AD1F1.2090604@sbcglobal.net> It is normal for the take up torque to be lower in play than in FF. In play the take up torque should be just enough to turn the take up spindle at the end of the tape. If it is too high, you can get increased wow and flutter, and premature idler failure. Warren soumitra at soumitrab.com wrote: > Hi all > Sorry for the previous post .... the photodiode is there .. on the > other side of the pcb which i didnt notice, and the logic cam is > working fine now ,,, since i had put in the supply spindle in place of > the take up spindle .. (common mistake for me) > So, everything is fine .... the reason i did this is coz the take up > spindle torque is quite low (even after an idler tyre change) during > playback ... compared to FFWD. What could the reason be for this ? > Should i increase the reel motor torque via the main PCB preset ? > > THanks again for any help > > Regards > Soumi > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:55 PM > Subject: MR Control problem > > >> Hi all >> ok, i had taken apart my MR2 mechanism for a general cleaning, >> lubrication etc ... and put it back all together (and correctly too >> .. no part missing or extra) ....... well everything is fine except >> play/ffwd/rewind etc runs for few secs and then turns off. >> I also noticed there was no photodiode in the auto shut-off PCB which >> makes me wonder how on earth this thing worked so far. >> ALso, ocassionally, the play engages and disengages rapidly for a few >> times before coming to a stop. >> I did not touch the cams, except apply a miniscule amount of silicone >> grease on the worm gear. >> >> So what is wrong ? What did i do or miss out here ? >> >> Thanks for any help >> >> Regards >> Soumi >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon May 26 17:13:36 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:13:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 + ZX-7 Service Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <483AD3A0.8010304@sbcglobal.net> Diane, Generally when the speed drops it is caused by the capstan belt slipping because it is worn. You can try to get a bit more life out of the belt by cleaning it with a q tip moistened with ethanol, while the deck is running. If the belt slips and falls off during this process, it is to far gone for cleaning to work. The side of the belt to clean is the side that contacts the flywheels and motor. You can bend the end of the q tip to help you get at the belt. Warren Diane Meuser wrote: > Dear Naktalk Members, > > My ZX-9 is having some trouble playing tapes. Specifically as it > gets near to the end of a tape it slows, then stops. It has been > doing this on a few tapes so I am pretty sure it is not the tapes. > > Is this something serious or an easy fix? I don't repair my own > decks (would love to know how, but don't) so I thought I would ask > you experts before bringing it in. > > Separately I now own a ZX-9 and a ZX-7 (in addition to three > BX-100's). Since I don't repair my own decks I am wondering whether > the ZX-9 and ZX-7 should be brought in on a regular basis for > routine servicing or only when something goes wrong. > > I've owned the BX-100's a longer time (one since '84) and with them I > just wait until something goes wrong, then bring them in for > servicing (although I have learned to change the idler tires > myself). Since the ZX-9 and ZX-7 are more complicated machines I'm > wondering whether routine servicing might be more suitable for them > and what this should include. > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated! > > Diane > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon May 26 17:15:41 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 10:15:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bx-2 problem In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910805121414u53356e8fn855f0515442ca45b@mail.gmail.com> References: <00a901c8b193$23997eb0$6acc7c10$@com> <829263.85654.qm@web83107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17d5ee910805121414u53356e8fn855f0515442ca45b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <483AD41D.5070709@sbcglobal.net> In that case, the function motor has a bad spot on the commutator. You can take it apart and clean it, there's an article on how to do it somewhere, I think nakremotes.com? Warren Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Nope, it's a worm gear. The BX-2 only has one belt, for it's capstan. > > 2008/5/12 Warren Bendler : > >> Could be the function belt broke or fell off. I believe this deck has a >> motor and belt that drive the cam to put it in play, ff, rew etc. >> >> Warren >> >> >> >> SheldO wrote: >> >> >> >> Hello everybody! I've had my BX-2 for quite some time now and I went to >> record a tape today when the whole machine locked up. The lights on the >> buttons randomly kept changing and the whole head/pinch roller mechanism >> froze in the upward position. Even after turning it off and on, trying to >> press eject and doing everything else imaginable, the mechanism STILL will >> not go down. One of the motors must have busted. What do you guys think? I >> love this little machine and I am now HEARTBROKEN! >> >> SheldO >> >> Cell: 780-660-2700 >> Home: 780-464-3914 >> >> Check out my YouTube page! >> http://www.youtube.com/sheldance27 >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've had my BX-2 for quite some time now and I > went to > > record a tape today when the whole machine locked up. The lights > on the > > buttons randomly kept changing and the whole head/pinch roller > mechanism > > froze in the upward position. Even after turning it off and on, > trying to > > press eject and doing everything else imaginable, the mechanism > STILL will > > not go down. One of the motors must have busted. What do you > guys think? 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URL: From danbarham at aol.com Mon May 26 18:03:22 2008 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 12:03:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Server down Message-ID: <8CA8D6128307D74-117C-170D@webmail-db07.sysops.aol.com> Glad to hear it was just the server going down while on vacation Wouter. I was beginning to think the worst! Welcome back! Dan Barham Chicagoland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danbarham at aol.com Mon May 26 18:36:24 2008 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 12:36:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 8096D belt report Message-ID: <8CA8D65C55AB930-117C-1838@webmail-db07.sysops.aol.com> Greetings Nakomaniacs! Just wanted to let everyone know my experience with Fred's new 8096D belt. I tested this on my everyday use 680ZX using a Leader LFM-39A wow and flutter machine and a genuine Nakamichi DA09006A wow/speed tape. I compared it with a relatively new (about one year old) genuine Nakamichi OC08096C belt, and an old, well used but still working?8096C belt. All three belts were quite close but the new Nak belt performed the best. Fred's belt was slightly better than the used belt and almost as good as the new belt. Let me just say that all three belts were within .1% of each other. Although I could measurably see the differences in all three, the differences were so small as to be inaudible. Here are the actual numbers I generated with the range and average: New OC08096C belt- .075-.095%, avg.085%, ?????????????????????????????? ?.05-.07%WTD, avg.06%WTD Fred's 8096D belt- .070-.105%, avg.087%, ?????????????????????????? .045-.080%WTD, avg.067%WTD used OC08096C belt- .08-.105%, avg.092%, ??????????????????????????????? .055-.075%WTD, avg.065%WTD Bottom line,?based on?my own tests, Fred's new belt is a good, more economical alternative to the rare and more and more expensive original belts. 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Regards John Gipps Message: 3 Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 19:03:28 -0500 From: Warren Bendler Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <4824E650.3090309 at sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from Fred at Marrs Communications. I just want to put in a bit of positive feedback for the guy. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the results and sound. Based on other decks I have measured, including reel to reels, these are very good numbers. Message: 22 Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:50:40 -0500 From: Warren Bendler Subject: [naktalk] Good source for capstan belts To: Naktalk Cassette Decks Message-ID: <482A2950.5060102 at sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from Fred at Marrs Communications. I just want to put in a bit of positive feedback for the guy. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the results and sound. Based on other decks I have measured, including reel to reels, these are very good numbers. Warren Message: 28 Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:46:48 -0500 From: Warren Bendler Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just what you wanted: another belt question! To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <482B79E8.5020105 at sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I have not tried their belts, but thanks for the reference. As for suitable replacements, I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from Fred at Marrs Communications. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the results and sound. Based on other decks I have measured, including reel to reels, these are very good numbers. Warren -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I bought a 8096-D belt from > Fred at Marrs Communications. I just want to put in a bit of positive > feedback for the guy. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and > flutter > meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, > Flutter > measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS > scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the > results and sound. 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon May 26 22:37:51 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 16:37:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications, Good Source for Capstan Belts, etc In-Reply-To: <8CA8D6D3D43A1C8-7EC-2A6A@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA8D6D3D43A1C8-7EC-2A6A@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910805261337j5ed06ff9nc89a8b4b259c224@mail.gmail.com> Well, from Scott's website, the CR-3 has it's very own belt model number (not used in other decks) so maybe Nakamiahi used the same dimensions as the 8096C? At the same time, that's a good thing to hear, I bought a CR-3 that is in need for a new belt. ;-) 2008/5/26 : > Hi Warren > > I'm really confused now - am I missing something? You've confirmed in answer > to Ben that you used Freds 8096D capstan belt in a CR-3 and got those great > W&F readings - but it's the wrong belt for a CR-3. Please explain. > > Regards > > John Gipps -- Antoine Deschênes From boytchik1 at hotmail.com Mon May 26 22:47:32 2008 From: boytchik1 at hotmail.com (Gutte Neshome) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 16:47:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 8096D belt report In-Reply-To: <8CA8D65C55AB930-117C-1838@webmail-db07.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA8D65C55AB930-117C-1838@webmail-db07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: And a belt for a RX505? To: naktalk at naks.comDate: Mon, 26 May 2008 12:36:24 -0400From: danbarham at aol.comSubject: [naktalk] 8096D belt reportGreetings Nakomaniacs!Just wanted to let everyone know my experience with Fred's new 8096D belt.I tested this on my everyday use 680ZX using a Leader LFM-39A wow and flutter machine and a genuine Nakamichi DA09006A wow/speed tape. I compared it with a relatively new (about one year old) genuine Nakamichi OC08096C belt, and an old, well used but still working 8096C belt. All three belts were quite close but the new Nak belt performed the best. Fred's belt was slightly better than the used belt and almost as good as the new belt. Let me just say that all three belts were within .1% of each other. Although I could measurably see the differences in all three, the differences were so small as to be inaudible.Here are the actual numbers I generated with the range and average:New OC08096C belt- .075-.095%, avg.085%, .05-.07%WTD, avg.06%WTDFred's 8096D belt- .070-.105%, avg.087%, .045-.080%WTD, avg.067%WTDused OC08096C belt- .08-.105%, avg.092%, .055-.075%WTD, avg.065%WTDBottom line, based on my own tests, Fred's new belt is a good, more economical alternative to the rare and more and more expensive original belts. I wouldn't have any hesitation using them in my own machines or recommending them.For what it's worth,Dan BarhamChicagoland Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone. _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_family_safety_052008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon May 26 23:09:45 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 16:09:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications, Good Source for Capstan Belts, etc In-Reply-To: <8CA8D6D3D43A1C8-7EC-2A6A@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA8D6D3D43A1C8-7EC-2A6A@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <483B2719.2060109@sbcglobal.net> Here's exactly what happened: In the first place, my deck is a CR-3A, not a CR-3. I ordered the belt kit Fred had on E-Bay for a CR-3, not realizing my deck was a CR-3A. I installed the belt that came, and got very poor wow and flutter readings, 0.14%. I e-mailed Fred and told him the problem, and also that I noticed my deck was a CR-3A. Fred asked me how the belt fit, and I told him it was a bit tight. Fred said that the CR-3A gets the 8096D belt, not the belt used on the CR-3, and he sent me free of charge 2 8096D belts, one to keep as a spare. I put the belt in, and I noticed it was not tight like the first belt, it fit perfectly with just the appropriate amount of tension. It works, and the numbers I got prove it. When you order a belt kit from Fred, he does say in his listing to tell him the model number of the deck it's going into. I give him high marks for making good on this even though I made a mistake and requested the belt for the wrong model. Warren johngipps at aol.com wrote: > Hi Warren > > I'm really confused now - am I missing something? You've confirmed in > answer to Ben that you used Freds 8096D capstan belt in a CR-3 and got > those great W&F readings - but it's the wrong belt for a CR-3. Please > explain. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 19:03:28 -0500 > > From: Warren Bendler > > > Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: <4824E650.3090309 at sbcglobal.net > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from > > Fred at Marrs Communications. I just want to put in a bit of positive > > feedback for the guy. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter > > meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter > > measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS > > scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the > > results and sound. Based on other decks I have measured, including reel > > to reels, these are very good numbers. > > Message: 22 > > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:50:40 -0500 > > From: Warren Bendler > > > Subject: [naktalk] Good source for capstan belts > > To: Naktalk Cassette Decks > > > Message-ID: <482A2950.5060102 at sbcglobal.net > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from > > Fred at Marrs Communications. I just want to put in a bit of positive > > feedback for the guy. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter > > meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter > > measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS > > scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the > > results and sound. Based on other decks I have measured, including reel > > to reels, these are very good numbers. > > > > Warren > > > > Message: 28 > > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:46:48 -0500 > > From: Warren Bendler > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just what you wanted: another belt question! > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > > Message-ID: <482B79E8.5020105 at sbcglobal.net > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > I have not tried their belts, but thanks for the reference. As for > > suitable replacements, I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I > > bought a 8096-D belt from Fred at Marrs Communications. Measuring with > > my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter meter, after installing the belt, the > > wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter > > was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I > > am very impressed with the results and sound. Based on other decks I > > have measured, including reel to reels, these are very good numbers. > > > > Warren > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone > . > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon May 26 23:48:12 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 16:48:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications, Good Source for Capstan Belts, etc In-Reply-To: <8CA8D6D3D43A1C8-7EC-2A6A@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA8D6D3D43A1C8-7EC-2A6A@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <483B301C.4090804@marrscommunications.com> Hi John, The 8096 makes a great replacement for the CR-3A. Try One! F. Marrs johngipps at aol.com wrote: > Hi Warren > > I'm really confused now - am I missing something? You've confirmed in > answer to Ben that you used Freds 8096D capstan belt in a CR-3 and got > those great W&F readings - but it's the wrong belt for a CR-3. Please > explain. > > Regards > > John Gipps > >Message: 3 > >Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 19:03:28 -0500 > >From: Warren Bendler > > >Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Message-ID: <4824E650.3090309 at sbcglobal.net > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > >I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from > >Fred at Marrs Communications. I just want to put in a bit of positive > >feedback for the guy. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter > >meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter > >measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS > >scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the > >results and sound. Based on other decks I have measured, including reel > >to reels, these are very good numbers. > > >Message: 22 > >Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:50:40 -0500 > >From: Warren Bendler > > >Subject: [naktalk] Good source for capstan belts > >To: Naktalk Cassette Decks > > >Message-ID: <482A2950.5060102 at sbcglobal.net > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > >I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from > >Fred at Marrs Communications. I just want to put in a bit of positive > >feedback for the guy. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter > >meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter > >measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS > >scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the > >results and sound. Based on other decks I have measured, including reel > >to reels, these are very good numbers. > > > >Warren > > > >Message: 28 > >Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:46:48 -0500 > >From: Warren Bendler > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just what you wanted: another belt question! > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > >Message-ID: <482B79E8.5020105 at sbcglobal.net > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > >I have not tried their belts, but thanks for the reference. As for > >suitable replacements, I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I > >bought a 8096-D belt from Fred at Marrs Communications. Measuring with > >my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter meter, after installing the belt, the > >wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter > >was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I > >am very impressed with the results and sound. 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URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Tue May 27 01:49:44 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 16:49:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Control Motor In-Reply-To: <36AA5986-9B86-4511-A8BD-63FE0B179373@booksmythe.com> Message-ID: <483b4ca3.1f538c0a.096a.ffff8148@mx.google.com> Yes, the control motors are the same in the CR7A and BX300 (CA80007A). Jeff W may also have a good substitute for it rather than disabling the BX300. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Russ Dollinger Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 1:10 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Control Motor I have a CR7A that appears to have a weak control motor. It works but it is not strong enough to turn the cams or lift the head block. DeOxit hasn't helped. Where do I get a replacement motor so I swap it out and see if that is really the problem. I also have a BX300 that still works-Is that the same motor? Russ Dollinger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Tue May 27 00:49:24 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 23:49:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications, Good Source for Capstan Belts, etc In-Reply-To: <483B2719.2060109@sbcglobal.net> References: <8CA8D6D3D43A1C8-7EC-2A6A@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> <483B2719.2060109@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <518b7b10805261549o7873ab95s1c7c2c0b16e87af4@mail.gmail.com> Warren, The only difference between CR-3 (worldwide switchable) , CR-3A (US) and CR-3E (Europe) is the power voltage on which they operate - they are exactly the same deck with regard to everything else, incl. belts. This is turning out to be a very interesting story, can't wait to hear the rest of it. George On 5/26/08, Warren Bendler wrote: > Here's exactly what happened: > In the first place, my deck is a CR-3A, not a CR-3. I ordered the belt kit > Fred had on E-Bay for a CR-3, not realizing my deck was a CR-3A. I installed > the belt that came, and got very poor wow and flutter readings, 0.14%. I > e-mailed Fred and told him the problem, and also that I noticed my deck was > a CR-3A. Fred asked me how the belt fit, and I told him it was a bit tight. > Fred said that the CR-3A gets the 8096D belt, not the belt used on the CR-3, > and he sent me free of charge 2 8096D belts, one to keep as a spare. I put > the belt in, and I noticed it was not tight like the first belt, it fit > perfectly with just the appropriate amount of tension. It works, and the > numbers I got prove it. When you order a belt kit from Fred, he does say in > his listing to tell him the model number of the deck it's going into. I give > him high marks for making good on this even though I made a mistake and > requested the belt for the wrong model. > > Warren > > > > johngipps at aol.com wrote: > Hi Warren > > I'm really confused now - am I missing something? You've confirmed in answer > to Ben that you used Freds 8096D capstan belt in a CR-3 and got those great > W&F readings - but it's the wrong belt for a CR-3. Please explain. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > Message: 3 Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 19:03:28 -0500 From: Warren Bendler > Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs > Communications To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: > <4824E650.3090309 at sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I just completed restoration on my > CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from Fred at Marrs Communications. I just > want to put in a bit of positive feedback for the guy. Measuring with my > Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter meter, after installing the belt, the wow > measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was > 0.045% weighted, on the JIS scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very > impressed with the results and sound. Based on other decks I have > measured, including reel to reels, these are very good numbers From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 27 00:53:22 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 18:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Good source for capstan belts Message-ID: <18078112.1211842402151.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 27 00:56:29 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 18:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications Message-ID: <8944058.1211842589315.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Not the correct belt for this deck. I'm sure Fred caught the mistake and set you the correct belt for your deck. Fred is good about that. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Warren Bendler >Sent: May 9, 2008 8:03 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications > >I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from >Fred at Marrs Communications. I just want to put in a bit of positive >feedback for the guy. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter >meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter >measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS >scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the >results and sound. Based on other decks I have measured, including reel >to reels, these are very good numbers. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 27 00:58:09 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 18:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] oms-7 Message-ID: <11517914.1211842689358.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Tue May 27 01:16:36 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 17:16:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Good source for capstan belts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hmmmmm.....I might try a capstan belt in the dragon.........LOL I am rather curious, what are the dimensions of this replacement belt? Thickness? Width? Victor M. Gabrenas                   Voice:                 1-801-581-5257 University of Utah                   FAX:                   1-801-581-4148 Department of Mathematics            Email:           gabrenas at math.utah.edu 155 S 1400 E RM 233                  URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~gabrenas Salt Lake City, Ut, 84112-0090       Office:                       105 LCB -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bansijeff at aol.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Good source for capstan belts In a message dated 5/26/2008 1:01:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com writes:   Other than Andy nobody had clearly measured the performance and posted the results here.   Hey Kannan,   Why don't you do that?   Jeff W   Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue May 27 01:34:43 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 19:34:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Good source for capstan belts In-Reply-To: <483B0FFE.3060905@sbcglobal.net> References: <194033.76775.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <483B0FFE.3060905@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <483B4913.6000303@rcn.com> The CR-3 uses belt P/N OC82702A. -- Ron Warren Bendler wrote: > That is the belt I used and it fit perfectly. According to Fred at > Marrs, the CR-3A is the only one of the CR series that uses the 8096D belt. > > Warren > > kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: >> CR 3A does not use 8096C belt - so your repalacing the capstan belt >> with 8096D does not make sense? Main issue is classic Nak transports >> like 480/581/582/660/680/681/682 ZX7 /RX303/505 capstan belts. Other >> than Andy nobody had clearly measured the performance and posted the >> results here. I expected Tom to get us some results with 8096D belt >> from Marrs ? >> >> Kannan >> >> */Warren Bendler /* wrote: >> >> I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from >> Fred at Marrs Communications. I just want to put in a bit of positive >> feedback for the guy. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and >> flutter >> meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, >> Flutter >> measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS >> scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the >> results and sound. Based on other decks I have measured, including >> reel >> to reels, these are very good numbers. >> >> Warren >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue May 27 01:47:10 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 19:47:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Control Motor In-Reply-To: <36AA5986-9B86-4511-A8BD-63FE0B179373@booksmythe.com> References: <36AA5986-9B86-4511-A8BD-63FE0B179373@booksmythe.com> Message-ID: <483B4BFE.8050500@rcn.com> depending on internal condition, it may be rebuildable. That's cheaper and easier than finding a new motor. -- Rom Russ Dollinger wrote: > I have a CR7A that appears to have a weak control motor. It works but it > is not strong enough to turn the cams or lift the head block. DeOxit > hasn't helped. Where do I get a replacement motor so I swap it out and > see if that is really the problem. I also have a BX300 that still > works—Is that the same motor? > > Russ Dollinger From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue May 27 02:09:40 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 20:09:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications, Good Source for Capstan Belts, etc In-Reply-To: <483B2719.2060109@sbcglobal.net> References: <8CA8D6D3D43A1C8-7EC-2A6A@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> <483B2719.2060109@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <17d5ee910805261709rbba60bfked7716af2268fd65@mail.gmail.com> That's strange though, the CR-3(-,A,E,O) service manual lists the same belt for every models. Theoretically, the 8096D should fit on every CR-3 models. 2008/5/26 Warren Bendler : > Here's exactly what happened: > In the first place, my deck is a CR-3A, not a CR-3. I ordered the belt kit > Fred had on E-Bay for a CR-3, not realizing my deck was a CR-3A. I installed > the belt that came, and got very poor wow and flutter readings, 0.14%. I > e-mailed Fred and told him the problem, and also that I noticed my deck was > a CR-3A. Fred asked me how the belt fit, and I told him it was a bit tight. > Fred said that the CR-3A gets the 8096D belt, not the belt used on the CR-3, > and he sent me free of charge 2 8096D belts, one to keep as a spare. I put > the belt in, and I noticed it was not tight like the first belt, it fit > perfectly with just the appropriate amount of tension. It works, and the > numbers I got prove it. When you order a belt kit from Fred, he does say in > his listing to tell him the model number of the deck it's going into. I give > him high marks for making good on this even though I made a mistake and > requested the belt for the wrong model. > > Warren > > > > johngipps at aol.com wrote: > > Hi Warren > > I'm really confused now - am I missing something? You've confirmed in answer > to Ben that you used Freds 8096D capstan belt in a CR-3 and got those great > W&F readings - but it's the wrong belt for a CR-3. Please explain. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 19:03:28 -0500 > > From: Warren Bendler > > Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: <4824E650.3090309 at sbcglobal.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from > > Fred at Marrs Communications. I just want to put in a bit of positive > > feedback for the guy. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter > > meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter > > measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS > > scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the > > results and sound. Based on other decks I have measured, including reel > > to reels, these are very good numbers. > > Message: 22 > > Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:50:40 -0500 > > From: Warren Bendler > > Subject: [naktalk] Good source for capstan belts > > To: Naktalk Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <482A2950.5060102 at sbcglobal.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from > > Fred at Marrs Communications. I just want to put in a bit of positive > > feedback for the guy. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter > > meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter > > measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS > > scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the > > results and sound. Based on other decks I have measured, including reel > > to reels, these are very good numbers. > > > > Warren > > > > Message: 28 > > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:46:48 -0500 > > From: Warren Bendler > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just what you wanted: another belt question! > > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <482B79E8.5020105 at sbcglobal.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > I have not tried their belts, but thanks for the reference. As for > > suitable replacements, I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I > > bought a 8096-D belt from Fred at Marrs Communications. Measuring with > > my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter meter, after installing the belt, the > > wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter > > was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I > > am very impressed with the results and sound. Based on other decks I > > have measured, including reel to reels, these are very good numbers. > > > > Warren > > > > ________________________________ > Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone. > > ________________________________ > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue May 27 02:28:42 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 20:28:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications, Good Source for Capstan Belts, etc In-Reply-To: <483B2719.2060109@sbcglobal.net> References: <8CA8D6D3D43A1C8-7EC-2A6A@MBLK-M39.sysops.aol.com> <483B2719.2060109@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <483B55BA.6050407@rcn.com> Warren Bendler wrote: > Here's exactly what happened: > In the first place, my deck is a CR-3A, not a CR-3. The CR-3A *is* a CR-3. The 'A' suffix denotes a power transformer for the American market. Belts for the CR-3A, CR-3E plain CR-3 are identical. -- Ron > I ordered the belt > kit Fred had on E-Bay for a CR-3, not realizing my deck was a CR-3A. I > installed the belt that came, and got very poor wow and flutter > readings, 0.14%. I e-mailed Fred and told him the problem, and also that > I noticed my deck was a CR-3A. Fred asked me how the belt fit, and I > told him it was a bit tight. Fred said that the CR-3A gets the 8096D > belt, not the belt used on the CR-3, and he sent me free of charge 2 > 8096D belts, one to keep as a spare. I put the belt in, and I noticed it > was not tight like the first belt, it fit perfectly with just the > appropriate amount of tension. It works, and the numbers I got prove it. > When you order a belt kit from Fred, he does say in his listing to tell > him the model number of the deck it's going into. I give him high marks > for making good on this even though I made a mistake and requested the > belt for the wrong model. > > Warren > > > > johngipps at aol.com wrote: >> Hi Warren >> >> I'm really confused now - am I missing something? You've confirmed in >> answer to Ben that you used Freds 8096D capstan belt in a CR-3 and got >> those great W&F readings - but it's the wrong belt for a CR-3. Please >> explain. >> >> Regards >> >> John Gipps >> >> Message: 3 >> >> Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 19:03:28 -0500 >> >> From: Warren Bendler > >> >> Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications >> >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> Message-ID: <4824E650.3090309 at sbcglobal.net > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> >> >> I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from >> >> Fred at Marrs Communications. I just want to put in a bit of positive >> >> feedback for the guy. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter >> >> meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter >> >> measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS >> >> scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the >> >> results and sound. Based on other decks I have measured, including reel >> >> to reels, these are very good numbers. >> >> Message: 22 >> >> Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 18:50:40 -0500 >> >> From: Warren Bendler > >> >> Subject: [naktalk] Good source for capstan belts >> >> To: Naktalk Cassette Decks > >> >> Message-ID: <482A2950.5060102 at sbcglobal.net > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> >> >> I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from >> >> Fred at Marrs Communications. I just want to put in a bit of positive >> >> feedback for the guy. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter >> >> meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter >> >> measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS >> >> scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the >> >> results and sound. Based on other decks I have measured, including reel >> >> to reels, these are very good numbers. >> >> >> >> Warren >> >> >> >> Message: 28 >> >> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:46:48 -0500 >> >> From: Warren Bendler > >> >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just what you wanted: another belt question! >> >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >> >> Message-ID: <482B79E8.5020105 at sbcglobal.net > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> >> >> I have not tried their belts, but thanks for the reference. As for >> >> suitable replacements, I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I >> >> bought a 8096-D belt from Fred at Marrs Communications. Measuring with >> >> my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter meter, after installing the belt, the >> >> wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter >> >> was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I >> >> am very impressed with the results and sound. Based on other decks I >> >> have measured, including reel to reels, these are very good numbers. >> >> >> >> Warren From kulak at ozemail.com.au Tue May 27 03:02:54 2008 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:02:54 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] oms-7 References: <002901c8b532$82009e50$8e3e18ac@MWDrews> Message-ID: Walter, Had problems with same unit last year, apparently the laser drive is an NEC, and the DAC is 2 x TDA1540D-SAA7030 by Philips. Could not get replacement drive as NEC ceased manufacture quite some time ago. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter Drewes To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 5:49 AM Subject: [naktalk] oms-7 Does anyone know the laser 'drive' number for the OMS7 Nak CD player? Its either Sony or Philips./or Sony made by Philips. If there is an upgrade model that anyone knows of , please let me know.Thks. Walter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Tue May 27 03:37:33 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 21:37:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications - good source for capstan belts Message-ID: <8CA8DB15E8CAF52-17F0-17B2@WEBMAIL-DF11.sysops.aol.com> Hi Warren and Fred Thanks for the information - I hadn't remembered that the 8096C and CR-3 capstan belts were so similar. After reading your posts, I dug out a file that I started many years ago with belt measurements. Measurements made on new Nakamichi supplied belts at that time showed the CR-3 capstan belt as being 5mm greater in diameter than the 8096C (classic transport capstan belt). Perhaps your experience here is evidence of the fact that the CR-3 is capable of working well with a non-optimum belt, because according to my belt measurements, you have fitted a belt that should be quite tight on a CR-3 - this is unless Fred's 8096D is 5mm or so bigger than Nakamichi's 8096C. By the way, from a mechanical perspective, the CR-3 and CR-3A are identical - they use the same belts. All accounts that I have read in Naktalk so far have said that Fred's 8096D is a good replacement for the classic transport - in this regard, I'm just about to embark on my own tests, because I'd like nothing more than to be able to recommend and supply my customers with a less expensive option than an original Nakamichi belt. It should be noted though Warren, that your measurements of Fred's 8096D performance in your CR-3 is irrelevant to any discussion of its suitability in a classic transport - your measurements atest more to the non critical belt requirements of the CR-3. Kannan, as Jeff W has suggested, have you got some time to put into some measurements? In my case, I'm doing full services on some high level Nakamichi classic transport decks, and then will be making measurements on these decks of several new capstan belts ( genuine 8096C from ESL, Fred's 8096D, and some generics ) - I will post the results when completed. Regards John Gipps Warren Bendler wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon May 26 23:09:45 CEST 2008 Here's exactly what happened: In the first place, my deck is a CR-3A, not a CR-3. I ordered the belt kit Fred had on E-Bay for a CR-3, not realizing my deck was a CR-3A. I installed the belt that came, and got very poor wow and flutter readings, 0.14%. I e-mailed Fred and told him the problem, and also that I noticed my deck was a CR-3A. Fred asked me how the belt fit, and I told him it was a bit tight. Fred said that the CR-3A gets the 8096D belt, not the belt used on the CR-3, and he sent me free of charge 2 8096D belts, one to keep as a spare. I put the belt in, and I noticed it was not tight like the first belt, it fit perfectly with just the appropriate amount of tension. It works, and the numbers I got prove it. When you order a belt kit from Fred, he does say in his listing to tell him the model number of the deck it's going into. I give him high marks for making good on this even though I made a mistake and requested the belt for the wrong model. Warren Marrs Communications marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon May 26 23:48:12 CEST 2008 Hi John, The 8096 makes a great replacement for the CR-3A.? Try One!? F. Marrs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kchoud at bellsouth.net Tue May 27 07:48:00 2008 From: kchoud at bellsouth.net (Choudhuri Family) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 01:48:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 problem any advice? Message-ID: My LX-5 used to work fine, probably havent used it for more than a total of 400 hrs. When I play a tape, I often get a "drop out" in the treble, its pretty bad, you get only the bass, sounds like anything over 1KHz is being cut off. If I press the stop or pause button and start playing the tape again, the tape seems to play fine once again. This is not a media problem because it happens with different tapes. Any ideas? Thanks, Kumar From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue May 27 08:03:32 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 02:03:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR7A Control Motor Message-ID: In a message dated 5/26/2008 4:51:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, willyherm at gmail.com writes: Yes, the control motors are the same in the CR7A and BX300 (CA80007A). Jeff W may also have a good substitute for it rather than disabling the BX300 You can get an original Sankyo motor from ESL for about $45 plus shipping I believe, or use the part number 28-1600 from MCM for about $7 plus shipping. The MCM Mabuchi motor is one recommended in the Nak 1991 parts list. It uses larger mounting screws than the original motor, but a few minutes work on the mounting plate with a rat tail file will work OK. Expand the holes outward, as the original motor had mounting holes 16.5mm apart and the 28-1600 has holes 17mm apart. The mounting screws are actually the same size as the reel motor screws. I think both these replacement motors have the poles reversed from the original, so take note of that when reattaching the wires. I'd hate to see a BX-300 parted out for such a simple repair. Jeff W **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Tue May 27 16:52:07 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 07:52:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 problem any advice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <483c2023.1f588c0a.0534.ffffe603@mx.google.com> The LX-5 is a dual capstain machine. The problem you're experiencing is most likely the tape sagging between the two capstains and losing solid contact with the play head. Most likely cause is a stretched belt which happens from sitting too long. The belt on that transport is very critical to the wow and flutter of the machine. Fred at Mars Communications has recently had that belt remanufactured and is selling it for a reasonable price. ESL still has a few original belts they are selling for lots of $. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Choudhuri Family Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 10:48 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 problem any advice? My LX-5 used to work fine, probably havent used it for more than a total of 400 hrs. When I play a tape, I often get a "drop out" in the treble, its pretty bad, you get only the bass, sounds like anything over 1KHz is being cut off. If I press the stop or pause button and start playing the tape again, the tape seems to play fine once again. This is not a media problem because it happens with different tapes. Any ideas? Thanks, Kumar ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willyherm at gmail.com Tue May 27 18:17:08 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 09:17:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 switch problem Message-ID: <483c3412.1f538c0a.093c.ffffe5ef@mx.google.com> Hi all - Here's a new fix for you that I just came up with. I got a client's RX505 with Dolby and Eq switches that didn't lock in the down position. Obviously, this renders the machine pretty much useless unless you do something classy like tape the switch down in the engaged position. I took one of the switches apart and found that the problem was due to one tiny piece of plastic which broke off the switch shaft. After hours of searching parts houses for a replacement, it crossed my mind that the tape type switches use the same shaft but don't use that locking tab, since the interlock mechanism uses a different notch on the shaft. I was able to swap the shafts and now am returning a perfectly working and mint looking machine to the user. I wrote out the procedure for you to try. I wouldn't recommend this for anybody without good touch where it comes to mechanical repair. As I noted, the sproig factor is about 9 on a 10 scale. Happy fixing! Willy Hermann RX-505 Dolby On-Off / Dolby B-C / Eq 70-120 switches no longer lock in place? Here's the fix: The problem is that there is a tab on the switch shaft which a small wire hook locks into to hold the shaft in place and keep the switch depressed. That tab breaks - it's only plastic and tiny. I'm sure it will break every time if you try to remove the button caps when the switches are depressed. The three interlocking switches for tape type use the same shaft but don't use that lock tab so it won't have broken. The trick is to switch the shafts. Remove the switch block. Easiest way I've found is to remove the metal face, then the meter / Level / Switch face, dismount the switch board, then CAREFULLY de-solder the switch from the board as it dangles from the face of the unit (not fun but easier than completely disconnecting that board). Remove the faulty locking switches from the switch block by bending the metal tabs which hold them in place back enough to allow the switch to slide out. On the interlocking end of the switch block, find the small spring steel plate at the side of the last switch. Slide a needle or pin through the square hole at that end and slide it under the spring flap. Slide that plate out far enough so that the hooked tab on its end is clear from the metal face of the switch block. The purpose of that tab is to move the sliding plate which locks the interlocking switches in place. You should be able to see the end of that plate through the front square hole at the end of the metal switch block. Use some pointed object to slide that plate toward the end of the switch block. This will free all three interlocking switches for removal. Leave the end switch in place if you can and remove one or two of the other switches for the swap. Now comes the tricky part. Note that each switch has one tab on each side which holds the top to the bottom. GENTLY pry the tabs from each side just enough to slide the top off. BE CAREFUL HERE. THE SPROING FACTOR IS VERY HIGH. Now you should be able to slide the switch shaft out. The orientation of each part is important since the shaft is not exactly centered so nothing will reassemble if it's backwards. Once you have done this step with both a locking and an interlocking switch, you'll probably notice that one is DPDT and one is FourPDT. GENTLY remove the switch contact wipers from the good shaft and mount them on the bad shaft. They won't slide straight off, but will rock off the end, then rock back on the other shaft. Both switches can now be reassembled. You need coordination here. Once reassembled, check all the continuities before going on to make sure all the wipers are making good contact and that none got bent too far in the swap process. Replace the repaired switches into the block, bend the tabs back to hold them in place. Slide the locking plate back into the block and slide the spring plate back over the end of the plate to apply enough pressure to keep the interlock working. Solder the block back onto the board and reassemble. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: RX505 switch.doc Type: application/msword Size: 26624 bytes Desc: not available URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue May 27 19:26:34 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 19:26:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RX-505 switch problem In-Reply-To: <483c3412.1f538c0a.093c.ffffe5ef@mx.google.com> References: <483c3412.1f538c0a.093c.ffffe5ef@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Willy, if you send me some pics, I will upload it to peromarta.org/ naks rgds, LP. -- Saludos Cordiales, Beannacht Dé Leat, Best Regards, M.F.G, Cordialement. Luis Peromarta El 27/05/2008, a las 18:17, Willy Hermann escribió: > Hi all – > > Here’s a new fix for you that I just came up with. I got a client’s > RX505 with Dolby and Eq switches that didn’t lock in the down > position. Obviously, this renders the machine pretty much useless > unless you do something classy like tape the switch down in the > engaged position. I took one of the switches apart and found that > the problem was due to one tiny piece of plastic which broke off the > switch shaft. After hours of searching parts houses for a > replacement, it crossed my mind that the tape type switches use the > same shaft but don’t use that locking tab, since the interlock > mechanism uses a different notch on the shaft. I was able to swap > the shafts and now am returning a perfectly working and mint looking > machine to the user. > > I wrote out the procedure for you to try. I wouldn’t recommend this > for anybody without good touch where it comes to mechanical repair. > As I noted, the sproig factor is about 9 on a 10 scale. > > Happy fixing! > > Willy Hermann > > RX-505 Dolby On-Off / Dolby B-C / Eq 70-120 switches no longer lock > in place? Here’s the fix: > > The problem is that there is a tab on the switch shaft which a small > wire hook locks into to hold the shaft in place and keep the switch > depressed. That tab breaks – it’s only plastic and tiny. I’m sure > it will break every time if you try to remove the button caps when > the switches are depressed. The three interlocking switches for > tape type use the same shaft but don’t use that lock tab so it won’t > have broken. The trick is to switch the shafts. > > Remove the switch block. Easiest way I’ve found is to remove the > metal face, then the meter / Level / Switch face, dismount the > switch board, then CAREFULLY de-solder the switch from the board as > it dangles from the face of the unit (not fun but easier than > completely disconnecting that board). > > Remove the faulty locking switches from the switch block by bending > the metal tabs which hold them in place back enough to allow the > switch to slide out. On the interlocking end of the switch block, > find the small spring steel plate at the side of the last switch. > Slide a needle or pin through the square hole at that end and slide > it under the spring flap. Slide that plate out far enough so that > the hooked tab on its end is clear from the metal face of the switch > block. The purpose of that tab is to move the sliding plate which > locks the interlocking switches in place. You should be able to see > the end of that plate through the front square hole at the end of > the metal switch block. Use some pointed object to slide that plate > toward the end of the switch block. This will free all three > interlocking switches for removal. Leave the end switch in place > if you can and remove one or two of the other switches for the swap. > > Now comes the tricky part. Note that each switch has one tab on > each side which holds the top to the bottom. GENTLY pry the tabs > from each side just enough to slide the top off. BE CAREFUL HERE. > THE SPROING FACTOR IS VERY HIGH. Now you should be able to slide > the switch shaft out. The orientation of each part is important > since the shaft is not exactly centered so nothing will reassemble > if it’s backwards. Once you have done this step with both a locking > and an interlocking switch, you’ll probably notice that one is DPDT > and one is FourPDT. GENTLY remove the switch contact wipers from > the good shaft and mount them on the bad shaft. They won’t slide > straight off, but will rock off the end, then rock back on the other > shaft. Both switches can now be reassembled. You need coordination > here. Once reassembled, check all the continuities before going on > to make sure all the wipers are making good contact and that none > got bent too far in the swap process. > > Replace the repaired switches into the block, bend the tabs back to > hold them in place. Slide the locking plate back into the block and > slide the spring plate back over the end of the plate to apply > enough pressure to keep the interlock working. Solder the block > back onto the board and reassemble. > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Tue May 27 09:35:03 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 07:35:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications - good source for capstan belts In-Reply-To: <8CA8DB15E8CAF52-17F0-17B2@WEBMAIL-DF11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <052720080735.9187.483BB9A600082E5A000023E322230682229B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> John please don't take too long. I am up for my ZXL700-belt replacement soon and would like no more than to glean something from your unbiased measurments. If Fred's D belts are within a safe margin I would feel OK about saving some serious coin, but not at the expense of sound quality, or then just hunker down and start saving for Jeff's original C's. regards, dino -------------- Original message from johngipps at aol.com: -------------- Hi Warren and Fred Thanks for the information - I hadn't remembered that the 8096C and CR-3 capstan belts were so similar. After reading your posts, I dug out a file that I started many years ago with belt measurements. Measurements made on new Nakamichi supplied belts at that time showed the CR-3 capstan belt as being 5mm greater in diameter than the 8096C (classic transport capstan belt). Perhaps your experience here is evidence of the fact that the CR-3 is capable of working well with a non-optimum belt, because according to my belt measurements, you have fitted a belt that should be quite tight on a CR-3 - this is unless Fred's 8096D is 5mm or so bigger than Nakamichi's 8096C. By the way, from a mechanical perspective, the CR-3 and CR-3A are identical - they use the same belts. All accounts that I have read in Naktalk so far have said that Fred's 8096D is a good replacement for the classic transport - in this regard, I'm just about to embark on my own tests, because I'd like nothing more than to be able to recommend and supply my customers with a less expensive option than an original Nakamichi belt. It should be noted though Warren, that your measurements of Fred's 8096D performance in your CR-3 is irrelevant to any discussion of its suitability in a classic transport - your measurements atest more to the non critical belt requirements of the CR-3. Kannan, as Jeff W has suggested, have you got some time to put into some measurements? In my case, I'm doing full services on some high level Nakamichi classic transport decks, and then will be making measurements on these decks of several new capstan belts ( genuine 8096C from ESL, Fred's 8096D, and some generics ) - I will post the results when completed. Regards John Gipps Warren Bendler wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon May 26 23:09:45 CEST 2008 Here's exactly what happened: In the first place, my deck is a CR-3A, not a CR-3. I ordered the belt kit Fred had on E-Bay for a CR-3, not realizing my deck was a CR-3A. I installed the belt that came, and got very poor wow and flutter readings, 0.14%. I e-mailed Fred and told him the problem, and also that I noticed my deck was a CR-3A. Fred asked me how the belt fit, and I told him it was a bit tight. Fred said that the CR-3A gets the 8096D belt, not the belt used on the CR-3, and he sent me free of charge 2 8096D belts, one to keep as a spare. I put the belt in, and I noticed it was not tight like the first belt, it fit perfectly with just the appropriate amount of tension. It works, and the numbers I got prove it. When you order a belt kit from Fred, he does say in his listing to tell him the model number of the deck it's going into. I give him high marks for making good on this even though I made a mistake and requested the belt for the wrong model. Warren Marrs Communications marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon May 26 23:48:12 CEST 2008 Hi John, The 8096 makes a great replacement for the CR-3A. Try One! F. Marrs Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Tue May 27 13:49:57 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 04:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 problem any advice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <163705.1737.qm@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If this deck has dual capstan drive, the pinchrollers must be in immaculate condition or the tape will climb up the rollers (called skewing.) Clean the pinchrollers with ethanol until no brown oxide comes off on the q tip. Vodka works fine for this purpose. If this doesn't fix it, the pinchrollers need to be replaced. The original parts are probably no longer available, but you can have them rebuilt by Terry Witt: http://www.terrysrubberrollers.com/ Warren Choudhuri Family wrote: My LX-5 used to work fine, probably havent used it for more than a total of 400 hrs. When I play a tape, I often get a "drop out" in the treble, its pretty bad, you get only the bass, sounds like anything over 1KHz is being cut off. If I press the stop or pause button and start playing the tape again, the tape seems to play fine once again. This is not a media problem because it happens with different tapes. Any ideas? Thanks, Kumar ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Tue May 27 14:00:05 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 05:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications - good source for capstan belts In-Reply-To: <8CA8DB15E8CAF52-17F0-17B2@WEBMAIL-DF11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <82009.9037.qm@web83101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info, John. The belt didn't seem to be too tight at all. Point noted about the classic transports. I do have a spare belt and if I get an older deck in for repair I'll post the results of that. Warren johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi Warren and Fred Thanks for the information - I hadn't remembered that the 8096C and CR-3 capstan belts were so similar. After reading your posts, I dug out a file that I started many years ago with belt measurements. Measurements made on new Nakamichi supplied belts at that time showed the CR-3 capstan belt as being 5mm greater in diameter than the 8096C (classic transport capstan belt). Perhaps your experience here is evidence of the fact that the CR-3 is capable of working well with a non-optimum belt, because according to my belt measurements, you have fitted a belt that should be quite tight on a CR-3 - this is unless Fred's 8096D is 5mm or so bigger than Nakamichi's 8096C. By the way, from a mechanical perspective, the CR-3 and CR-3A are identical - they use the same belts. All accounts that I have read in Naktalk so far have said that Fred's 8096D is a good replacement for the classic transport - in this regard, I'm just about to embark on my own tests, because I'd like nothing more than to be able to recommend and supply my customers with a less expensive option than an original Nakamichi belt. It should be noted though Warren, that your measurements of Fred's 8096D performance in your CR-3 is irrelevant to any discussion of its suitability in a classic transport - your measurements atest more to the non critical belt requirements of the CR-3. Kannan, as Jeff W has suggested, have you got some time to put into some measurements? In my case, I'm doing full services on some high level Nakamichi classic transport decks, and then will be making measurements on these decks of several new capstan belts ( genuine 8096C from ESL, Fred's 8096D, and some generics ) - I will post the results when completed. Regards John Gipps Warren Bendler wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon May 26 23:09:45 CEST 2008 Here's exactly what happened: In the first place, my deck is a CR-3A, not a CR-3. I ordered the belt kit Fred had on E-Bay for a CR-3, not realizing my deck was a CR-3A. I installed the belt that came, and got very poor wow and flutter readings, 0.14%. I e-mailed Fred and told him the problem, and also that I noticed my deck was a CR-3A. Fred asked me how the belt fit, and I told him it was a bit tight. Fred said that the CR-3A gets the 8096D belt, not the belt used on the CR-3, and he sent me free of charge 2 8096D belts, one to keep as a spare. I put the belt in, and I noticed it was not tight like the first belt, it fit perfectly with just the appropriate amount of tension. It works, and the numbers I got prove it. When you order a belt kit from Fred, he does say in his listing to tell him the model number of the deck it's going into. I give him high marks for making good on this even though I made a mistake and requested the belt for the wrong model. Warren Marrs Communications marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon May 26 23:48:12 CEST 2008 Hi John, The 8096 makes a great replacement for the CR-3A. Try One! F. 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URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue May 27 14:43:46 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 05:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications - good source for capstan belts In-Reply-To: <8CA8DB15E8CAF52-17F0-17B2@WEBMAIL-DF11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <917645.30591.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi John/ Jeff currently I do not have any Classic transport machines with me except Dragons( 3 numbers) and one ZX 9 . Testing 8096D belt is not possible until I get a machine which uses 8096C. I have acquired a Leader Wow & Flutter Model- 39A machine recently - require user manual - if some one has it- please email me a scanned copy. However I have a T 100 as well. I have good stock of 8096C belts , i never bothered to procure this belt However I am purchasing the belt (8096D) this week so that I can test it when I get a machine. Meanwhile I think we should test this belt for consistant performance and asses it objectively rather than attacking Fred. I would welcome even little inferior belt than 8096C if it is atleast consistant in performance as it solves avaialbility issue - I hope it does not deviate too much out of Spec. secondly I would not recommend a tighter belt on CR3 even if it is OK with wow and Flutter as it may cause wear on capstan / motor bearings unless somebody can prove that this is OK on CR 3 for long term use. kannan johngipps at aol.com wrote: Hi Warren and Fred Thanks for the information - I hadn't remembered that the 8096C and CR-3 capstan belts were so similar. After reading your posts, I dug out a file that I started many years ago with belt measurements. Measurements made on new Nakamichi supplied belts at that time showed the CR-3 capstan belt as being 5mm greater in diameter than the 8096C (classic transport capstan belt). Perhaps your experience here is evidence of the fact that the CR-3 is capable of working well with a non-optimum belt, because according to my belt measurements, you have fitted a belt that should be quite tight on a CR-3 - this is unless Fred's 8096D is 5mm or so bigger than Nakamichi's 8096C. By the way, from a mechanical perspective, the CR-3 and CR-3A are identical - they use the same belts. All accounts that I have read in Naktalk so far have said that Fred's 8096D is a good replacement for the classic transport - in this regard, I'm just about to embark on my own tests, because I'd like nothing more than to be able to recommend and supply my customers with a less expensive option than an original Nakamichi belt. It should be noted though Warren, that your measurements of Fred's 8096D performance in your CR-3 is irrelevant to any discussion of its suitability in a classic transport - your measurements atest more to the non critical belt requirements of the CR-3. Kannan, as Jeff W has suggested, have you got some time to put into some measurements? In my case, I'm doing full services on some high level Nakamichi classic transport decks, and then will be making measurements on these decks of several new capstan belts ( genuine 8096C from ESL, Fred's 8096D, and some generics ) - I will post the results when completed. Regards John Gipps Warren Bendler wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon May 26 23:09:45 CEST 2008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From motown99 at earthlink.net Tue May 27 14:49:26 2008 From: motown99 at earthlink.net (Richard Lloyd) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:49:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DC Player2 Message-ID: <483C0356.6070705@earthlink.net> Hi Gang, There must be a few of us who are trying to keep Nak CD players alive? I am amazed at how good this old fellow sounds. It has a very musical high end that seems sweeter to me than many more modern designs, and the bass isn't mushy or missing as it often was on 1990's CDP's. I am normally NOT a fan of early digital, so I am a little baffled by why this thing sounds so good. It also has a remote controlled volume, which is perfect in a vintage system. Now to the only problem: the CD drawer sticks on opening, although a slight finger tug frees it instantly. Is it New Belt Time? If so, who offers belts for the CD Players? Thanks, Richard From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue May 27 14:57:14 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:57:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications - good source for capstan belts In-Reply-To: <8CA8DB15E8CAF52-17F0-17B2@WEBMAIL-DF11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA8DB15E8CAF52-17F0-17B2@WEBMAIL-DF11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910805270557q31b9f6b7o76c82057e147caa3@mail.gmail.com> > your measurements atest more to the non critical belt requirements of the CR-3. But then, the CR-3A with the right belt was having W&F problems. It looks like that rubber formula would work well with more belts than the 8096. I bought a CR-3A recently and I should receive it today. The listing description was showing that it needs a new belt. The 8096D sounds like a good option, but if it's tighter as you say, John, should I have to worry about my capstan bearings? Cheers, Antoine From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue May 27 15:01:17 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 06:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 problem any advice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <266305.43600.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> most probably requires capstan belt - worth replacing it. Secondly the head alignments are off ( I suspect this unless first one is confirmed being not the case). This Deck requires a very special 8096C belt- please go through recent postings on 8096D belts as well to understand the situation. Kannan Choudhuri Family wrote: My LX-5 used to work fine, probably havent used it for more than a total of 400 hrs. When I play a tape, I often get a "drop out" in the treble, its pretty bad, you get only the bass, sounds like anything over 1KHz is being cut off. If I press the stop or pause button and start playing the tape again, the tape seems to play fine once again. This is not a media problem because it happens with different tapes. Any ideas? Thanks, Kumar ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue May 27 15:26:17 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:26:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications In-Reply-To: <8944058.1211842589315.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <8944058.1211842589315.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <483C0BF9.80703@marrscommunications.com> Hi Tom, The 8096C or D makes an excellent capstan belt for a CR-3A. I learned this from past experience with a 3A I purchased years ago when doing my belt research. Try it, you will be amazed! Fred M. Tom Brucker wrote: >Not the correct belt for this deck. I'm sure Fred caught the mistake and set you the correct belt for your deck. Fred is good about that. > >tom brucker > >-----Original Message----- > > >>From: Warren Bendler >>Sent: May 9, 2008 8:03 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications >> >>I just completed restoration on my CR-3A. I bought a 8096-D belt from >>Fred at Marrs Communications. I just want to put in a bit of positive >>feedback for the guy. Measuring with my Kenwood FL-180A wow and flutter >>meter, after installing the belt, the wow measured 0.045% Peak, Flutter >>measured 0.060 Peak, wow and flutter was 0.045% weighted, on the JIS >>scale. I didn't check it on NAB, but I am very impressed with the >>results and sound. 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URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue May 27 15:47:00 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:47:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 8096-D BELT SIZES ACUTAL MEASURMENTS PRB BELT TOOL In-Reply-To: <47E29051.9020500@marrscommunications.com> References: <47E29051.9020500@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <483C10D4.6070400@marrscommunications.com> March 20, 2008 I found my PRB belt tool and did some EXACT measuring. Here are the findings: > > 1. THE GENERAL CONSENSUS: THE ORIGINAL 8096C WAS 9.2" I.C. (23.4 > cm). _ WAS IT ? > > 2. THE 4 BELTS I PURCHASED FROM E.S.L. AND PAID $55.00 FOR, MEASURE > ABOUT 9.45" to 9.50" I.C. (Actual Measurement is 24 cm which is: > 9.44882 ") > > 3. THE EIGHT 8096C BELTS I PURCHASED FROM SOFH IT IN ITALY, MEASURED > ALMOST 9.8" I.C. (Actual Measurement 25 cm. which is: 9.84252"). HE > CLAIMS THEY ARE ORIGINAL ? > > 4. My 8096D Factory Specifications are: 9.5" X .200 x 0.018. (Actual > Measurement is 24.2 cm = 9.527) > > 5. Actual measurements were made with a PRB belt tool. My quote in > inches (which were very close) were made using the competitions belts > in inches, before I found my belt Tool. > > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 27 17:06:22 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:06:22 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 + ZX-7 Service Question Message-ID: <20260664.1211900782069.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Diane, I'm glad you are using your decks. I believe each capstan must be removed completely from their bearings, cleaned with alcohol, the bearings both front and rear (4 total) cleaned, and then relubricated with a mineral oil. This process requires complete dissasembly. I had a Dragon behave exactly the same way your ZX 9 is. I belong to the "something goes wrong school". tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Diane Meuser >Sent: May 12, 2008 4:00 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 + ZX-7 Service Question > > > Dear Naktalk Members, > > My ZX-9 is having some trouble playing tapes. Specifically as it > gets near to the end of a tape it slows, then stops. It has been > doing this on a few tapes so I am pretty sure it is not the tapes. > > Is this something serious or an easy fix? I don't repair my own > decks (would love to know how, but don't) so I thought I would ask > you experts before bringing it in. > > Separately I now own a ZX-9 and a ZX-7 (in addition to three > BX-100's). Since I don't repair my own decks I am wondering whether > the ZX-9 and ZX-7 should be brought in on a regular basis for > routine servicing or only when something goes wrong. > > I've owned the BX-100's a longer time (one since '84) and with them I > just wait until something goes wrong, then bring them in for > servicing (although I have learned to change the idler tires > myself). Since the ZX-9 and ZX-7 are more complicated machines I'm > wondering whether routine servicing might be more suitable for them > and what this should include. > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated! > > Diane > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From mfallon at windstream.net Tue May 27 17:20:09 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:20:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR3 on Craigslist-Pgh Message-ID: <20080527152009.YNGS9682.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> A longtime friend asked me to try and sell some of his old audio gear and I have listed his DR3 on Pittsburgh Craigslist at the link below http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/ele/696599316.html Deck was purchased new at the Listening Post in Shadyside (still has original box)and I've run it for a week to check all functions and everything works fine. Cosmetically perfect with no scratchs/flaws, etc. Hoping to sell it to someone locally so they can save shipping charges but thought I'd check here also. Price is negotiable. He also had four or five of boxes of blank tapes still sealed. They are mostly Maxell XLII and XLII-S (both 90 and 100 mins versions of the II-S) If anyone is interested, drop a line, I'll send the details and you can make an offer. thanks, Mike From kchoud at bellsouth.net Tue May 27 17:28:54 2008 From: kchoud at bellsouth.net (Choudhuri Family) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:28:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 problem any advice? In-Reply-To: <483c2023.1f588c0a.0534.ffffe603@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Willy, Thanks for your suggestion, it seems a reasonable one. Would you happen to have a contact number or email for Fred at Mars Communications and also one for ESL. I tried googling these and didnt come up with anything relevant. Thanks for your help! Kumar -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Willy Hermann Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:52 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX-5 problem any advice? The LX-5 is a dual capstain machine. The problem you're experiencing is most likely the tape sagging between the two capstains and losing solid contact with the play head. Most likely cause is a stretched belt which happens from sitting too long. The belt on that transport is very critical to the wow and flutter of the machine. Fred at Mars Communications has recently had that belt remanufactured and is selling it for a reasonable price. ESL still has a few original belts they are selling for lots of $. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Choudhuri Family Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 10:48 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 problem any advice? My LX-5 used to work fine, probably havent used it for more than a total of 400 hrs. When I play a tape, I often get a "drop out" in the treble, its pretty bad, you get only the bass, sounds like anything over 1KHz is being cut off. If I press the stop or pause button and start playing the tape again, the tape seems to play fine once again. This is not a media problem because it happens with different tapes. Any ideas? Thanks, Kumar ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue May 27 17:37:05 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:37:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Good source for capstan belts Message-ID: <18202924.1211902625936.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Tue May 27 18:55:28 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:55:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fred M. 's Final Comment about the 8096-D Capstan Belt Message-ID: <483C3D00.3040901@marrscommunications.com> Hello All, I am writing this e-mail in hopes it will be allowed to post. Lately, any negative comments about my 8096-D are allowed to post but when I reply , the do NOT post ? How is this considered to be fair ? To the disappointment of some, my 8096-D capstan belt is NOT some big CONSPIRACY ! I am an untrusting individual myself. I have shared more information about the 8096-D than anyone should have to, defending it. Everyone knows the "D" story, and I am just as sick of discussing it as everyone else. The only reason I started the "D" program was because of Naktalk. I listened to everyone's input and moved forward with MOST everyone's blessing, but something happened ? Maybe it was because I was the new kid on the block, but I really blame 1 person for all of the Controversy. The 8096-D is what it is, and I have " told the story" until I am sick of it and frankly at this point wish I had never had the belt produced. Their are no hard feelings with anyone in this group, except this 1 person mentioned previously BUT, the very people I though were behind me, turned on me? Here is a recap of FACTS that have come to light since the 8096-D program was started. 1. Andy's positive test were posted, without my request, and it was immediately discredited. By who and for what reason ? 2. Warren's positive test results were posted and that opened up another "stir" because the "D" was installed on a CR-3A. I have known for over 4 years the 8096C or "D" makes an excellent capstan belt for it. Is that what the CR-3A calls for ? NO. What difference does it make if it works Great ? My understanding about the hold Nakamichi belt "thing" is about finding belts that worked on their machines, mainly the Classic transport. 3. I started the Nakamichi belt program 2-1/2 years before I met anyone in the group, or knew Nalktalk existed. In that 2-1/2 period, I personally installed my belts on many Nakmachi machines to find out which belt would work on which machine. Were all of my decisions correct ? NO. I was hoping my comrades would " help me out" if a particular belt was a little tight, a little loose, too wide, et. Did I receive this cooperation from anyone ? YES, but mostly from customers that were NOT associated with Naktalk. Why is that ? 4. Dan Barham positive test results of the 8096-D were posted on Naktalk yesterday. Not one acknowledgment ! Why ? 5. Here is a known FACT. I have purchased every so called "Original" 8096C belt from every source I can find, including the original "C" from E.S.L. which I paid $55.00 for, and any other source t I can find, exist. You know what ? None of them have the same PHYSICAL dimensions ! Why ? Because Nakamichi did not purchase the 8096C from any ONE source. This is a Fact ! This is what I have discovered using a P.R.B. belt measuring device. A. THE GENERAL CONSENSUS: THE ORIGINAL 8096C WAS 9.2" I.C. (23.4 cm). _ WAS IT ? B. THE 4 BELTS I PURCHASED FROM E.S.L. AND PAID $55.00 FOR, MEASURE ABOUT 9.45" to 9.50" I.C. (Actual Measurement is 24 cm which is: 9.44882 ") C. THE EIGHT 8096C BELTS I PURCHASED FROM SOFH_IT IN ITALY, MEASURED 9.8" I.C. (Actual Measurement 25 cm. which is: 9.84252"). HE CLAIMS THEY ARE ORIGINAL ? D. My 8096D Factory Specifications are: 9.5" X .200 x 0.018. (Actual Measurement is 24.2 cm = 9.527) My point ? I feel sure NO ONE knows what a REAL 8096C measures physically. If someone could get their hands on the Nakamichi Machines "Build Specifications" we could find out, and I would be happy to have that very belt manufactured! 6. PRB like MCM, is a reseller of Belts, NOT a manufacturer. 7. Every belt I sell is manufactured in Japan by a manufacturer ( Factory ). 8. To the disappointment of "some", the manufacturer I deal with DID in fact, manufacture the 8096C capstan belt for Nakamichi for a 3 year period, but CHOSE not to renew their contract because Nakamichi had failed 2 consecutive times to meet their minimum purchase requirements. Their forecast for required belts was too aggressive. 9. I did NOT have the arrow placed on my 8096-D because the factory told me it was NOT worth the time and effort. When testing for Quality Control they never found over: +/- 0.01 to 0.02% difference in measurement due to direction of travel ! I invite everyone to test my "D" in both directions, but I doubt you will see additional improvement over the numbers above. 10. I just received my 2nd shipment of 8096-D's and did NOT have the line across the face installed for the same reasons above, in addition to cost savings. 11. Due to all of the "hear say" or controversy about measurements on my "D", I purchased a Nakamichi T-100, and have tested it for myself to end any doubt, of just how good the belt is. After all, most of the information I heard from Naktalk was all: so, so, or negative. I knew Better. In closing I would like to say, to the disappointment of a few, the 8096-D is not some big conspiracy to sell a $ .75 belt for $25.00 like some would have you believe! It is_ what it is. The only difference in the 8096C and my 8096-D is: _ The "D" is Freshly manufactured, and most importantly, NOTHING EXCEPT IT DID NOT PASS THROUGH NAKAMICHI's "HANDS" while in route to me. Let's put this subject to bed ! Fred M. From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue May 27 19:13:21 2008 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Bx-2 problem In-Reply-To: <483AD41D.5070709@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <531242.54109.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's not on nakremotes.com. It's on Luis' web site http://www.peromarta.org/naks/cr7_control_motor.html Warren Bendler wrote: In that case, the function motor has a bad spot on the commutator. You can take it apart and clean it, there's an article on how to do it somewhere, I think nakremotes.com? Warren Antoine Deschênes wrote: Nope, it's a worm gear. The BX-2 only has one belt, for it's capstan. 2008/5/12 Warren Bendler : Could be the function belt broke or fell off. I believe this deck has a motor and belt that drive the cam to put it in play, ff, rew etc. Warren SheldO wrote: Hello everybody! I've had my BX-2 for quite some time now and I went to record a tape today when the whole machine locked up. The lights on the buttons randomly kept changing and the whole head/pinch roller mechanism froze in the upward position. Even after turning it off and on, trying to press eject and doing everything else imaginable, the mechanism STILL will not go down. One of the motors must have busted. What do you guys think? I love this little machine and I am now HEARTBROKEN! 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URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue May 27 22:01:06 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 16:01:06 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Good source for capstan belts Message-ID: In a message dated 5/27/2008 12:52:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hitech77 at earthlink.net writes: Well, the answer may be that the stock CR3 belt is a bit shorter than the C8096C, and Marr's 8096D is also a bit shorter. I'm glad it fits and works well. tom brucker Actually Tom, it's exactly the reverse. The OC82702A belt for the CR-3 is slightly longer than the 8096C. An eBay vendor Soph_it, is selling these original Nak 82702 belts for the CR- 3, but he is under the false impression that it is the same belt as the 8096C. Maybe that has something to do with the confusion. The CR-3 82702 belt is about 1/2 inch longer than the original Nak 8096C. Jeff W **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kchoud at bellsouth.net Tue May 27 22:14:30 2008 From: kchoud at bellsouth.net (Choudhuri Family) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 16:14:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 problem any advice? In-Reply-To: <266305.43600.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Kannan, I think I am going with the belt replacement first. This deck has barely been used. I bought it in 1986/87 used it sparingly then this problem surfaced in 1992 havent used the deck since then. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:01 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX-5 problem any advice? most probably requires capstan belt - worth replacing it. Secondly the head alignments are off ( I suspect this unless first one is confirmed being not the case). This Deck requires a very special 8096C belt- please go through recent postings on 8096D belts as well to understand the situation. Kannan Choudhuri Family wrote: My LX-5 used to work fine, probably havent used it for more than a total of 400 hrs. When I play a tape, I often get a "drop out" in the treble, its pretty bad, you get only the bass, sounds like anything over 1KHz is being cut off. If I press the stop or pause button and start playing the tape again, the tape seems to play fine once again. This is not a media problem because it happens with different tapes. Any ideas? Thanks, Kumar ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue May 27 22:15:12 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 16:15:12 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications - good source for capstan belts Message-ID: In a message dated 5/27/2008 1:08:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com writes: secondly I would not recommend a tighter belt on CR3 even if it is OK with wow and Flutter as it may cause wear on capstan / motor bearings unless somebody can prove that this is OK on CR 3 for long term use. Hi Kannan, I totally agree with this, especially as the original Nak belt for the CR-3 is still easily available on eBay from the vendor Soph_it in Italy. I've bought several of his CR-3 belts and they were indeed the original. He charges just about what Nak charged, too, not an inflated price. Jeff W **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Tue May 27 22:20:32 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 16:20:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] CR 3 belt on eBay Message-ID: I misspelled the guy's vendor ID in my previous posts. The original Nak CR-3 belt is available from Sofh_it on eBay. I've bought several. Jeff W **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed May 28 00:44:20 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 23:44:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications - good source forcapstan belts In-Reply-To: <917645.30591.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well said, Kannan. (It is so much more constructive - and healthy - to do a critique of the product than be a critic of the supplier!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of kannan srinivasaraghavan Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 1:44 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications - good source forcapstan belts Hi John/ Jeff ... Meanwhile I think we should test this belt for consistant performance and asses it objectively rather than attacking Fred.... kannan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue May 27 22:48:00 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 13:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR 3 belt on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <470796.79930.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How do we know for sure that what Sofh_it sold are indeed original Nak CR-3 belt? Just out of curiousity. Mike Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: I misspelled the guy's vendor ID in my previous posts. The original Nak CR-3 belt is available from Sofh_it on eBay. I've bought several. Jeff W --------------------------------- Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Tue May 27 23:33:42 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications - good source for capstan belts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <402035.88830.qm@web83107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The belt is not tight. I have been repairing Audio since 1976. It is a perfect fit. Warren Bansijeff at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 5/27/2008 1:08:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com writes: secondly I would not recommend a tighter belt on CR3 even if it is OK with wow and Flutter as it may cause wear on capstan / motor bearings unless somebody can prove that this is OK on CR 3 for long term use. Hi Kannan, I totally agree with this, especially as the original Nak belt for the CR-3 is still easily available on eBay from the vendor Soph_it in Italy. I've bought several of his CR-3 belts and they were indeed the original. He charges just about what Nak charged, too, not an inflated price. Jeff W --------------------------------- Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.bowley at mypostoffice.co.uk Tue May 27 23:53:20 2008 From: john.bowley at mypostoffice.co.uk (Dave Bowley) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 22:53:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 problem any advice? References: Message-ID: <00d701c8c044$14473820$0200a8c0@bowleyinlmnplk> Just put '8096D' in to an Ebay search [incl descriptions] & U should get a few hits for Fred & his belt sets incl this one Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Choudhuri Family" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX-5 problem any advice? > Willy, > > Thanks for your suggestion, it seems a reasonable one. Would you happen to > have a contact number or email for Fred at Mars Communications and also > one > for ESL. > > I tried googling these and didnt come up with anything relevant. > > Thanks for your help! > > Kumar > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Willy Hermann > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:52 AM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] LX-5 problem any advice? > > > The LX-5 is a dual capstain machine. The problem you're experiencing is > most likely the tape sagging between the two capstains and losing solid > contact with the play head. Most likely cause is a stretched belt which > happens from sitting too long. The belt on that transport is very > critical > to the wow and flutter of the machine. Fred at Mars Communications has > recently had that belt remanufactured and is selling it for a reasonable > price. ESL still has a few original belts they are selling for lots of $. > > Willy > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Choudhuri Family > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 10:48 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 problem any advice? > > My LX-5 used to work fine, probably havent used it for more than a total > of > 400 hrs. When I play a tape, I often get a "drop out" in the treble, its > pretty bad, you get only the bass, sounds like anything over 1KHz is being > cut off. If I press the stop or pause button and start playing the tape > again, the tape seems to play fine once again. > > This is not a media problem because it happens with different tapes. 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Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1468 - Release Date: 26/05/2008 15:23 From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed May 28 15:12:34 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:12:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] WTB : CR-1A door (and master knob) Message-ID: <17d5ee910805280612u2b2ec69cl640e1b45ecf6f566@mail.gmail.com> Nope, it doesn't look sold. I tried my BX-2's door on it, it looks a bit strange though. Also, the master rec volume knob isn't the original one. 2008/5/26 : > In a message dated 5/26/2008 1:04:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > antdes45 at yahoo.ca writes: > > I just got a CR-1A and CR-3A (A 3 heads Nak, finally!) on eBay (both > were in the same listing) > The CR-1A's door got lost when the person sent it for maintenance > apparently, so I'd need a spare door. ;-) > > There's been a BX-1 door on eBay lately. It will fit. You might have to > find it in the completed listings, but I don't think it sold. > > Jeff > > > ________________________________ > Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" > on AOL Food. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From benstratford at aol.co.uk Wed May 28 09:45:45 2008 From: benstratford at aol.co.uk (benstratford at aol.co.uk) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 03:45:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL Slider Knob Message-ID: <8CA8EADF88ECFA0-1DD0-3D01@webmail-db17.sysops.aol.com> Having exhausted myself sending mails to everywhere I can think of, I thought I would also try here.? I seek?a slider Knob for the 1000 ZXL Standard deck.? Should anyone have a spare I would be very keen to purchase it. 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URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Wed May 28 22:48:36 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:48:36 EDT Subject: [naktalk] WTB : CR-1A door (and master knob) Message-ID: In a message dated 5/28/2008 1:15:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, antdes45 at yahoo.ca writes: Nope, it doesn't look sold. I tried my BX-2's door on it, it looks a bit strange though. Also, the master rec volume knob isn't the original one. The BX-100 door on eBay more closely resembles the CR-1 door than a BX-2 door. Also, I saw some CR-3 knobs for sale on eBay recently, so you might be able to pick up the one you're looking for. Jeff W **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 28 17:14:18 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:14:18 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Good source for capstan belts Message-ID: <24046489.1211987658486.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 28 21:53:37 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:53:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DC Player2 Message-ID: <2642826.1212004417451.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> You are correct about the Nak CD players. The earliest OMS series had hands down the best bass of any Japanese player of its time. I preferred it to Theata and Wadia convertors combined with any deck. The treble was another thing altogether, and it was these two convertors followed by the Levinson CD player that first demonstrated that CD could have analog-like treble. Nakamichi never quite got the treble tamed, but the CD player 2 is certainly listenable. Ironically it is 4th generation Nakamichi. All the Naks have better DACs and more complex power supplies than tyical Japanese decks. Your drawer belt is slipping. OC9460 is the tray belt part #. I'll bet ESL could supply that and the other 3 belts. All ought to be replaced. The drawer belt is not fun to change. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Richard Lloyd >Sent: May 27, 2008 7:49 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DC Player2 > >Hi Gang, >There must be a few of us who are trying to keep Nak CD players alive? >I am amazed at how good this old fellow sounds. It has a very musical >high end that seems sweeter to me than many more modern designs, and the >bass isn't mushy or missing as it often was on 1990's CDP's. I am >normally NOT a fan of early digital, so I am a little baffled by why >this thing sounds so good. It also has a remote controlled volume, which >is perfect in a vintage system. >Now to the only problem: the CD drawer sticks on opening, although a >slight finger tug frees it instantly. Is it New Belt Time? If so, who >offers belts for the CD Players? >Thanks, >Richard >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 28 22:00:28 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:00:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Offline: Quadraflex PCD488 Cassette Deck Message-ID: <24539713.1212004828134.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed May 28 22:02:25 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:02:25 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Good source for capstan belts Message-ID: <16790029.1212004945029.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johngipps at aol.com Wed May 28 21:18:43 2008 From: johngipps at aol.com (johngipps at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:18:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications and ESL - length measurements. Message-ID: <8CA8F0EC7511612-654-1D3C@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> Hi All Here are some belt length measurements that may throw a little light on some recent posts. I have measured the lengths of some new genuine Nakamichi belts sourced from ESL by myself and some of my customers, and some 8096Ds sourced from Fred by customers. The ESL 8096C belts come from two batches with different markings - but measure almost identically. Two 8096D belts from Fred had the same markings, and measured the same. I took each measurement several times to test repeatability, and believe it would be fair to assign an accuracy of +/- 0.3mm to the diameter measurements. I did not measure thickness - I'll do that later when I do wow and flutter and find my micrometer. I have quoted diameters and widths in mm. CR-3 belt from ESL?? ?? ??? ??? ? 78.3mm X 5mm - length 246mm 8096C from ESL - batch 1?? ?? 74.9mm X 5mm - length 235mm 8096C from ESL - batch 2?? ?? 74.8mm X 5mm - length 235mm 8096D from Fred ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? 78.6mm X 5mm - length 247mm My measurements of genuine Nakamichi belts from many years ago are consistent with the measurements of ESL belts above - my records show 75mm X 5mm. It's immediately obvious that the 8096D from Fred is a good fit for a CR-3 - and Warren is right - it wouldn't be tight - it would be just right. So Antoine, you're right to be concerned about tight capstan belts (see posts from Kannan and Jeff W), but the 8096D would be a good fit on your CR-3. Obviously the wow and flutter measurements will be of much greater interest than these diameter measurements, because they relate to what we hear. I'll be as quick as I can with these Dino, but you may soon realise that they call me the late John Gipps for good reason. Regards John Gipps John please don't take too long. I am up for my ZXL700-belt replacement soon and would like no more than to glean something from your unbiased measurments. If Fred's D belts are within a safe margin I would feel OK about saving some serious coin, but not at the expense of sound quality, or then just hunker down and start saving for Jeff's original C's. regards, dino Thanks for the info, John. The belt didn't seem to be too tight at all. Point noted about the classic transports. I do have a spare belt and if I get an older deck in for repair I'll post the results of that. Warren I bought a CR-3A recently and I should receive it today. The listingdescription was showing that it needs a new belt. The 8096D soundslike a good option, but if it's tighter as you say, John, should Ihave to worry about my capstan bearings??Cheers,Antoine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Steve -- Stephen Parkin University of Sheffield S.Parkin at sheffield.ac.uk From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed May 28 21:47:05 2008 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (Walter Drewes) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OMS-& Message-ID: <00a901c8c0ff$dd1a7030$a9d417c4@MWDrews> To all those that reponded to my post-- my thanks! Jefff thanks for the offer but those $300 are toooo much for me.I would rather try to get a complete working unit on eBay.Thanks though! The correct criteria are as follows: DAC 2X TDA 1540 D----SAA7030 by Phillips Transport HLPL 030020 by NEC The only make and model that shared the same Transport is a KYOCERA DA910 Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Wed May 28 13:38:29 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (wnn523484 at telfort.nl) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:38:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player 2 In-Reply-To: <200805281005.m4SA1alt026674@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <481B37650001539A@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Richard, I had a similar experience with an multi disc player of Nakamichi. The CD drawer is locked in place inside at it's rear with a leaf spring it slights into. This spring is way too stiff and excessive force is required to jump out of this locking spring. Even if the belt is good it tends to slip or the motor stalls because of the excessive locking force. Just loosening up this spring by bending it outwards did solve this problem completely with the player I was repairing. I did not listen to this CD player as I have no interest in common Japanese CD players' sound at all. But this is not early digital. It is almost late in the digital mainstream era. And it still is Nakamichi, for what its worth. Happy listening Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl -------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:49:26 -0400 From: Richard Lloyd Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DC Player2 To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <483C0356.6070705 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Gang, There must be a few of us who are trying to keep Nak CD players alive? I am amazed at how good this old fellow sounds. It has a very musical high end that seems sweeter to me than many more modern designs, and the bass isn't mushy or missing as it often was on 1990's CDP's. I am normally NOT a fan of early digital, so I am a little baffled by why this thing sounds so good. It also has a remote controlled volume, which is perfect in a vintage system. Now to the only problem: the CD drawer sticks on opening, although a slight finger tug frees it instantly. Is it New Belt Time? If so, who offers belts for the CD Players? Thanks, Richard -------------------------------------- From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu May 29 00:54:39 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:54:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 In-Reply-To: <483D32A5.9060703@sheffield.ac.uk> References: <483D32A5.9060703@sheffield.ac.uk> Message-ID: <0D8D7042-A730-4627-830D-BF6D51428433@kvglabs.com> Hi Steve! I have two 550 and have used them for professional recording since 1976. This post assumes you want a genuine stereo mike, or a new production microphone only and not a vintage mike. At one time I recommended Oktava, but there have been so many problems with fraud, counterfeits and mikes way out of spec that I recommend avoiding Oktava unless you can trace the provenance or you are addicted to casino gambling and like to lose all the time. By the way, I've heard the AudioTechnica AT3031, AT3032, and AT4041; these mikes as well as the vintage AT813 sound much like Nakamichi's CM series (excluding the CM-1000). But those who know me recall I've never felt that Nakamichi's condensor mikes were a good match to the 550, and to my ears have that bright-and-brittle high-end of early electret mikes made in the 1970s. I'd rate the following choices for your Nak 550 as good matches, from best to worst, admitting up front that I don't care for AudioTechnica, Marshall (MXL), Nady, R0DE, Behringer, or the endless plethora of off- brand electret condensor mikes: Crown SASS Shure VP-88 R0DE NT-4 AudioTechnica AT825 AudioTechnica AT822 I'd avoid RadioShack anything, most off brand earbud-sized "binaural" mikes or similar types, Sony ECMDS70P, or Edirol CS-15. You may want to consider a stereo pair on a good quality stereo bar. Better yet, a trio of mikes on a stereo bar, arranged similar to an ORTF array with a middle mike so you can improve center imaging. This opens up many excellent alternatives for microphone choices that will give you audiophile label quality recordings with your Nak 550 even though it is a cassette. Seriously. With care, you can rival any audiophile label around with your 550, assuming a great set of mikes and a bit of practice. AKG C391B, C451B, or vintage C451, C460, D190E, D200E, D202E, D222E, D224E Beyerdynamic M130, M160, M260 ribbons, M dynamic CAD Equitek E100, E200 or E300. Each of these are battery-powerable large diaphragm condensor types. Microtech-Gefell M295 Neumann KM-184 Shure SM81 or vintage SM59. SM57 is okay too as well as vintage 545 but you'll lose detail. Alternatively, to get traditional big label studio sound with little effort, you could do a Blumlein pair using a pair of Beyerdynamic M130 ribbon mikes or Coles 4038 or 4040; or any ribbon mike made by AEA, Crowley, or Royer; as well as vintage ribbon mikes made by RCA or Reslo RB series. Note that you may have to find battery phantom power and cable adapters, depending on your choice of mike. My web site has a library regarding microphones and recording techniques that may be of further help to you. On May 28, 2008, at 5:23 AM, Stephen Parkin wrote: > Dear All > I've just been given a 550, but with no mics I would be grateful for > suggestions for a stereo mic suitable for recording in a folk club > environment. > > Thanks Steve > -- > Stephen Parkin > University of Sheffield > S.Parkin at sheffield.ac.uk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu May 29 03:05:36 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 02:05:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 In-Reply-To: <88B44B056CB14E4AA8E27338B1A320E6@GrahamNPC> Message-ID: And if anyone should doubt the ability of a cassette recorder for making professional recordings, go have a listen to The Texas Campfire Tapes, Michelle Shocked. This rather tasty LP (I have the vinyl version) by Cooking Vinyl was recorded in 1985/6 at the Kerrville Folk Festival (Texas) on a Sony Walkman. (The record was released around September 1986.) I listen to it with some admiration (on several levels - recording, performance, guitar skills, song writing) and I wonder .... How much better could this had been done with a Nak 550!!! ??? (And I also wonder, why wasn't Kermit there as well as Pete Lawrence, on whose Sony this album was mastered!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:55 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 Hi Steve! I have two 550 and have used them for professional recording since 1976. This post assumes you want a genuine stereo mike, or a new production microphone only and not a vintage mike. At one time I recommended Oktava, but there have been so many problems with fraud, counterfeits and mikes way out of spec that I recommend avoiding Oktava unless you can trace the provenance or you are addicted to casino gambling and like to lose all the time. By the way, I've heard the AudioTechnica AT3031, AT3032, and AT4041; these mikes as well as the vintage AT813 sound much like Nakamichi's CM series (excluding the CM-1000). But those who know me recall I've never felt that Nakamichi's condensor mikes were a good match to the 550, and to my ears have that bright-and-brittle high-end of early electret mikes made in the 1970s. I'd rate the following choices for your Nak 550 as good matches, from best to worst, admitting up front that I don't care for AudioTechnica, Marshall (MXL), Nady, R0DE, Behringer, or the endless plethora of off- brand electret condensor mikes: Crown SASS Shure VP-88 R0DE NT-4 AudioTechnica AT825 AudioTechnica AT822 I'd avoid RadioShack anything, most off brand earbud-sized "binaural" mikes or similar types, Sony ECMDS70P, or Edirol CS-15. You may want to consider a stereo pair on a good quality stereo bar. Better yet, a trio of mikes on a stereo bar, arranged similar to an ORTF array with a middle mike so you can improve center imaging. This opens up many excellent alternatives for microphone choices that will give you audiophile label quality recordings with your Nak 550 even though it is a cassette. Seriously. With care, you can rival any audiophile label around with your 550, assuming a great set of mikes and a bit of practice. AKG C391B, C451B, or vintage C451, C460, D190E, D200E, D202E, D222E, D224E Beyerdynamic M130, M160, M260 ribbons, M dynamic CAD Equitek E100, E200 or E300. Each of these are battery-powerable large diaphragm condensor types. Microtech-Gefell M295 Neumann KM-184 Shure SM81 or vintage SM59. SM57 is okay too as well as vintage 545 but you'll lose detail. Alternatively, to get traditional big label studio sound with little effort, you could do a Blumlein pair using a pair of Beyerdynamic M130 ribbon mikes or Coles 4038 or 4040; or any ribbon mike made by AEA, Crowley, or Royer; as well as vintage ribbon mikes made by RCA or Reslo RB series. Note that you may have to find battery phantom power and cable adapters, depending on your choice of mike. My web site has a library regarding microphones and recording techniques that may be of further help to you. On May 28, 2008, at 5:23 AM, Stephen Parkin wrote: > Dear All > I've just been given a 550, but with no mics I would be grateful for > suggestions for a stereo mic suitable for recording in a folk club > environment. > > Thanks Steve > -- > Stephen Parkin > University of Sheffield > S.Parkin at sheffield.ac.uk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu May 29 08:11:33 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 01:11:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B930358-E56B-4B0C-A4B6-3A9EB85CCBE3@kvglabs.com> Hey Gra', On May 28, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > And if anyone should doubt the ability of a cassette recorder for > making > professional recordings, go have a listen to The Texas Campfire Tapes, > Michelle Shocked. This rather tasty LP (I have the vinyl version) by > Cooking Vinyl was recorded in 1985/6 at the Kerrville Folk Festival > (Texas) > on a Sony Walkman. (The record was released around September 1986.) > I listen > to it with some admiration (on several levels - recording, > performance, > guitar skills, song writing) and I wonder .... How much better could > this > had been done with a Nak 550!!! ??? (And I also wonder, why wasn't > Kermit > there as well as Pete Lawrence, on whose Sony this album was > mastered!) I'd love to have been there. honestly, with all the recorders I've own, from the high-end Ampex, Scully and Studer analog machines to the Studer and Mitsubishi DASH didgital studio machines, I think overall the best recordings I've made over the past 34 years have been with the 550, the 600 (combined with either the 610 preamp or my Type 77A mike preamp), and the ever-faithful Ampex 602. But of the three, the machine that has made the best recordings musically without a doubt has been the 550. Why? A good stereo microphone array can bring out the best from its big studio reel-to-reel sound, and realize the full performance of its excellent mike amplifiers and its limiter, which I think is the best peak limiter ever fitted to a sound recorder. This gives the 550 the ability to record unobtrusively in a live setting, ensuring the energy of a live performance isn't lost and the sense of spontaneity isn't destroyed. I've had more fun recording with the 550 than with any of the other recorders I've ever own or leased. By the way, besides the Nakamichi 550, I've owned or leased numerous fully-portable pro recorders, including Uher 4000 Report L, 4400 Report Stereo; Sony Professional Walkman, the same as that used by Pete Lawrence; Marantz PMD-430, HHB PortaDAT, Sony 7030, Panasonic 3800, Pentron PR-65, Nagra III, Nagra D, Nagra SN, and Stellavox SP-9. Everyone knows of my disgust for the Uhers and my utter loathing of the hard-edged sound of the Nagras, although I'll admit the Nagra D was good sounding. Of this long list of portable recorders today I still have, and still use, the two Nakamichi 550 I first began my career with. All the others have gone by the wayside. I do miss the Pentron sometimes, although it was a headache to set levels on. Good riddance to the Uher, Sony and Nagra decks. A pox on all the R-DATs. I never found an R-DAT I could stand the sound of! By the way, Gra', I took two years off from recording -- 1985 and 1986 -- following the death of Karin, my fiancee and assistant recording engineer, my "Girl Friday," in 1984. I just didn't have the heart for it. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed May 28 23:49:20 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:49:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 In-Reply-To: <483D32A5.9060703@sheffield.ac.uk> References: <483D32A5.9060703@sheffield.ac.uk> Message-ID: <17d5ee910805281449k2b773d3dte0a7b69e15b10c08@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Kermit made a good guide for this: http://kvglabs.com/PDF/selectingmics.pdf Cheers, Antoine 2008/5/28 Stephen Parkin : > Dear All > I've just been given a 550, but with no mics I would be grateful for > suggestions for a stereo mic suitable for recording in a folk club > environment. > > Thanks Steve > -- > Stephen Parkin > University of Sheffield > S.Parkin at sheffield.ac.uk -- Antoine Deschênes From beaucooke at comcast.net Thu May 29 00:15:10 2008 From: beaucooke at comcast.net (beaucooke at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:15:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Rewind motor for 550 #3663104; recording heads for 600 #3815104 Message-ID: <052820082215.6005.483DD96E000D44120000177522155754740A0501010C9A0E0A0D@comcast.net> Hi all, I'm on a strict budget, but would like to get my naks 550 and 600 working again. What options are there for these parts? Thanks for any tips, Bob From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Thu May 29 00:52:10 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:52:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications and ESL - length measurements. In-Reply-To: <8CA8F0EC7511612-654-1D3C@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA8F0EC7511612-654-1D3C@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <483DE21A.3050402@sbcglobal.net> Good job, John! It's funny but I had an old stock 8096C but I installed it in my 482 prior to receiving the 8096D from Fred, so I couldn't make the measurements you just did. BTW, I have a dial caliper and a spare 8096D belt, so the thickness is: 0.020". Warren johngipps at aol.com wrote: > Hi All > > Here are some belt length measurements that may throw a little light > on some recent posts. > > I have measured the lengths of some new genuine Nakamichi belts > sourced from ESL by myself and some of my customers, and some 8096Ds > sourced from Fred by customers. The ESL 8096C belts come from two > batches with different markings - but measure almost identically. Two > 8096D belts from Fred had the same markings, and measured the same. > > I took each measurement several times to test repeatability, and > believe it would be fair to assign an accuracy of +/- 0.3mm to the > diameter measurements. I did not measure thickness - I'll do that > later when I do wow and flutter and find my micrometer. > > I have quoted diameters and widths in mm. > > CR-3 belt from ESL 78.3mm X 5mm - length 246mm > > 8096C from ESL - batch 1 74.9mm X 5mm - length 235mm > 8096C from ESL - batch 2 74.8mm X 5mm - length 235mm > > 8096D from Fred 78.6mm X 5mm - length 247mm > > My measurements of genuine Nakamichi belts from many years ago are > consistent with the measurements of ESL belts above - my records show > 75mm X 5mm. > > It's immediately obvious that the 8096D from Fred is a good fit for a > CR-3 - and Warren is right - it wouldn't be tight - it would be just > right. So Antoine, you're right to be concerned about tight capstan > belts (see posts from Kannan and Jeff W), but the 8096D would be a > good fit on your CR-3. > > Obviously the wow and flutter measurements will be of much greater > interest than these diameter measurements, because they relate to what > we hear. I'll be as quick as I can with these Dino, but you may soon > realise that they call me the late John Gipps for good reason. > > Regards > > John Gipps > > > John please don't take too long. I am up for my ZXL700-belt replacement soon > > and would like no more than to glean something from your unbiased measurments. > > If Fred's D belts are within a safe margin I would feel OK about saving some > > serious coin, but not at the expense of sound quality, or then just hunker > > down and start saving for Jeff's original C's. > regards, dino > > Thanks for the info, John. > > The belt didn't seem to be too tight at all. Point noted about the classic > > transports. I do have a spare belt and if I get an older deck in for repair > > I'll post the results of that. > Warren > > > > > > I bought a CR-3A recently and I should receive it today. The > > listingdescription was showing that it needs a new belt. 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URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Thu May 29 01:30:45 2008 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:30:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 In-Reply-To: <0D8D7042-A730-4627-830D-BF6D51428433@kvglabs.com> References: <483D32A5.9060703@sheffield.ac.uk> <0D8D7042-A730-4627-830D-BF6D51428433@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <112a7fe30805281630y4e6c23edv1b073253f4f01a3b@mail.gmail.com> Dear Kermit, What is your experience with vintage & modern Ribbon mics?Have you heard any new cheap Chinese models(Nady,Cascade Fat Head,CAD Trion 7000)?How about Oktava ML-16,51,52 mikes?Can you tell anything about vintage ribbons(Amperite,EV,Bruno,Shure 300,315)?I recently had a great success using vintage EV-654 Omni mic.Sounds unbelievable!Actually,I don't care about stereo anymore after finding elusive Nak Reference Monitor speaker(re-labelled Diatone 2s-350).Mono is amazing...Stereo feels like 3D special effect.Regards,Mike On 5/28/08, Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Steve! > > I have two 550 and have used them for professional recording since 1976. > > This post assumes you want a genuine stereo mike, or a new production > microphone only and not a vintage mike. At one time I recommended > Oktava, but there have been so many problems with fraud, counterfeits > and mikes way out of spec that I recommend avoiding Oktava unless you > can trace the provenance or you are addicted to casino gambling and > like to lose all the time. > > By the way, I've heard the AudioTechnica AT3031, AT3032, and AT4041; > these mikes as well as the vintage AT813 sound much like Nakamichi's > CM series (excluding the CM-1000). But those who know me recall I've > never felt that Nakamichi's condensor mikes were a good match to the > 550, and to my ears have that bright-and-brittle high-end of early > electret mikes made in the 1970s. > > I'd rate the following choices for your Nak 550 as good matches, from > best to worst, admitting up front that I don't care for AudioTechnica, > Marshall (MXL), Nady, R0DE, Behringer, or the endless plethora of off- > brand electret condensor mikes: > > Crown SASS > Shure VP-88 > R0DE NT-4 > AudioTechnica AT825 > AudioTechnica AT822 > > I'd avoid RadioShack anything, most off brand earbud-sized "binaural" > mikes or similar types, Sony ECMDS70P, or Edirol CS-15. > > You may want to consider a stereo pair on a good quality stereo bar. > Better yet, a trio of mikes on a stereo bar, arranged similar to an > ORTF array with a middle mike so you can improve center imaging. This > opens up many excellent alternatives for microphone choices that will > give you audiophile label quality recordings with your Nak 550 even > though it is a cassette. Seriously. With care, you can rival any > audiophile label around with your 550, assuming a great set of mikes > and a bit of practice. > > AKG C391B, C451B, or vintage C451, C460, D190E, D200E, D202E, D222E, > D224E > > Beyerdynamic M130, M160, M260 ribbons, M dynamic > > CAD Equitek E100, E200 or E300. Each of these are battery-powerable > large diaphragm condensor types. > > Microtech-Gefell M295 > > Neumann KM-184 > > Shure SM81 or vintage SM59. SM57 is okay too as well as vintage 545 > but you'll lose detail. > > Alternatively, to get traditional big label studio sound with little > effort, you could do a Blumlein pair using a pair of Beyerdynamic M130 > ribbon mikes or Coles 4038 or 4040; or any ribbon mike made by AEA, > Crowley, or Royer; as well as vintage ribbon mikes made by RCA or > Reslo RB series. > > Note that you may have to find battery phantom power and cable > adapters, depending on your choice of mike. > > My web site has a library regarding microphones and recording > techniques that may be of further help to you. > > > On May 28, 2008, at 5:23 AM, Stephen Parkin wrote: > >> Dear All >> I've just been given a 550, but with no mics I would be grateful for >> suggestions for a stereo mic suitable for recording in a folk club >> environment. >> >> Thanks Steve >> -- >> Stephen Parkin >> University of Sheffield >> S.Parkin at sheffield.ac.uk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu May 29 03:13:05 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:13:05 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Nakamichi DC Player2 Message-ID: I don't want to stir up a big coversation on sound, but yes Tom, a agree with you. My OMS-3A sounds a little bit better than my CD Player 2.> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:53:37 -0500> From: hitech77 at earthlink.net> To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi DC Player2> > You are correct about the Nak CD players. The earliest OMS series had hands down the best bass of any Japanese player of its time. I preferred it to Theata and Wadia convertors combined with any deck. The treble was another thing altogether, and it was these two convertors followed by the Levinson CD player that first demonstrated that CD could have analog-like treble. Nakamichi never quite got the treble tamed, but the CD player 2 is certainly listenable. Ironically it is 4th generation Nakamichi. All the Naks have better DACs and more complex power supplies than tyical Japanese decks.> > Your drawer belt is slipping. OC9460 is the tray belt part #. I'll bet ESL could supply that and the other 3 belts. All ought to be replaced. The drawer belt is not fun to change.> > tom brucker> > -----Original Message-----> >From: Richard Lloyd > >Sent: May 27, 2008 7:49 AM> >To: naktalk at naks.com> >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DC Player2> >> >Hi Gang,> >There must be a few of us who are trying to keep Nak CD players alive? > >I am amazed at how good this old fellow sounds. It has a very musical > >high end that seems sweeter to me than many more modern designs, and the > >bass isn't mushy or missing as it often was on 1990's CDP's. I am > >normally NOT a fan of early digital, so I am a little baffled by why > >this thing sounds so good. It also has a remote controlled volume, which > >is perfect in a vintage system.> >Now to the only problem: the CD drawer sticks on opening, although a > >slight finger tug frees it instantly. Is it New Belt Time? If so, who > >offers belts for the CD Players?> >Thanks,> >Richard> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> >========---------------------------------------------------------=========> > > Hi Tech Service> 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211> hitech77 at earthlink.net> hitech at bellsouth.net> 615-331-9241> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Give to a good cause with every e-mail. 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To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <8CA8F0EC7511612-654-1D3C at FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hi All >Here are some belt length measurements that may throw a little light on some recent posts. >I have measured the lengths of some new genuine Nakamichi belts sourced from ESL by myself and some of my customers, and some 8096Ds sourced from Fred by customers. The ESL 8096C belts come from two batches with different markings - but measure almost identically. Two 8096D belts from Fred had the same markings, and measured the same. >I took each measurement several times to test repeatability, and believe it would be fair to assign an accuracy of +/- 0.3mm to the diameter measurements. I did not measure thickness - I'll do that later when I do wow and flutter and find my micrometer. >I have quoted diameters and widths in mm. >CR-3 belt from ESL?? ?? ??? ??? ? 78.3mm X 5mm - length 246mm 8096C from ESL - batch 1?? ?? 74.9mm X 5mm - length 235mm 8096C from ESL - batch 2?? ?? 74.8mm X 5mm - length 235mm 8>096D from Fred ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? 78.6mm X 5mm - length 247mm >My measurements of genuine Nakamichi belts from many years ago are consistent with the measurements of ESL belts above - my records show 75mm X 5mm. >It's immediately obvious that the 8096D from Fred is a good fit for a CR-3 - and Warren is right - it wouldn't be tight - it would be just right. So Antoine, you're right to be concerned about tight capstan belts (see posts from Kannan and Jeff W), but the 8096D would be a good fit on your CR-3. >Obviously the wow and flutter measurements will be of much greater interest than these diameter measurements, because they relate to what we hear. I'll be as quick as I can with these Dino, but you may soon realise that they call me the late John Gipps for good reason. Regards >John Gipps From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu May 29 23:02:26 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:02:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 In-Reply-To: <112a7fe30805281630y4e6c23edv1b073253f4f01a3b@mail.gmail.com> References: <483D32A5.9060703@sheffield.ac.uk> <0D8D7042-A730-4627-830D-BF6D51428433@kvglabs.com> <112a7fe30805281630y4e6c23edv1b073253f4f01a3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, Oh wow, Mike asks a mike question! Cool! To best answer your question, I need to give you a tour of the basic concepts of ribbon microphones. Generally, most vintage ribbon mikes produce extremely faint signals, typically the same as a moving coil cartridge, on the order of a few microvolts. Mike preamps that are optimal for amplifying the older ribbon mikes must have no less than 80 dB of gain, and may have as much as 95 dB of gain. In recent years, improvements in magnetic materials have allowed the creation of ribbon mikes having the same output as dynamic mikes; these high output ribbon mikes can be connected to any typical mike preamp. CAUTION: Phantom power will damage a ribbon mike. Some studios have a preamp dedicated to their ribbon mikes that either has not phantom powered or that has the phantom power permanently disabled. RIBBON MIKES ARE FRAGILE! Do not EVER tap a ribbon mike! Always use a windscreen with vocals or when outdoors. Store them vertically to keep the ribbon from sagging. Keep them covered when not in use. Avoid dust, high humidity and rapid changes in temperature. Never connect phantom power to the mike unless it is one of the few newest models, such as Royer, having a built-in preamp. Most ribbon mikes have a figure-eight pickup pattern, although a few have cardioid or supercardioid patterns. The RCA 77DX has three pickup patterns effected by a system of moveable baffle placed behind the ribbon element. The Altec 638 "birdcage" ribbon mike has three pickup patterns effected by switching an omni dynamic element together with a figure-eight ribbon element in different phases and combinations. Most ribbon mikes exhibit pronounced proximity effect (see below). Older vintage designs (pre-1960 vintage) ribbon mikes usually cannot be placed closer than about one meter (four feet) from a sound without excessive bass, unless they are deliberately misloaded (see below) to allow closer placement. Many engineers feel that ribbon mikes are the best choice for recording vocals, narration, and orchestral strings (viola, violin, cello, bass viol). ENSEMBLE MIKE: A ribbon microphone having the capability to pick up the faintest details in a sound, allowing it to be suitable for miking an entire choir, orchestra, jazz group or other other musical ensemble. LOADING: A term descriptive of the input impedance of audio preamps and amplifiers. In 1946, hit musician and recording pioneer Les Paul (who invented multitrack recording, by the way) deliberately misloaded the impedance of his RCA 44 ribbons, reducing their sensitivity greatly and cutting bass by the same amount as proximity effect of ,the mike. This was the first successful close-miking technique and it revolutionized sound recording. Today moist recordings are close- miked. MICROVOLTAIC AMPLIFIER: A special class of audio frequency voltage amplifiers (preamps) that can amplify signals in the microvolt range without introducing excessive noise, having a typical voltage gain of up to 10,000. Satisfactory microvoltaic amplifiers have been constructed since the 1930s, and overf the decades have been constructed from pentodes, nuvistors, field-effect transistors and specialized integrated circuits. My Type 75V and Type 75R mike preamps are microvoltaic amplifiers designed specifically for amplifying the output of ribbon mikes, and is fitted with voice effort EQ as an option (see below). PROXIMITY EFFECT: The increase in the bass frequencies picked up by a directional microphone as the mike is moved closer to a sound. Referred to as "bass tip up" in the UK. REFLECTED IMPEDANCE: All ribbon mikes have an output transformer that steps up the extremely low impedance ribbon element (as low as 0.2 Ohm) to 50 or 150 ohms for connection to the mike preamp. A transformer is said to "reflect" the impedance connected to its secondary (in this case, the mike preamp's input impedance) into the primary circuit (the ribbon element). This reflected impedance changes the load on the ribbon element, altering its frequency response and sensitivity as a result. Matching impedances is important to getting the most out of a ribbon mike, but deliberately altering input impedance allows you to tweak the mike's sound like no other mike. SIBILANCE: An exaggeration of the "S" sounds in speech or vocals caused by excessive energy in the region between approximately 5,000 cps and 10,000 cps. Ribbon mikes tend to be immune to sibilance, which is one reason many engineers prefer them for vocals and speech. SOLO MIKE: A ribbon microphone lacking the capability to pick up the faintest details in a sound, allowing it to be suitable for miking only one specific musician or instrument, typically a vocal soloist, a narrator or a violin. STRIDENCE: An edginess, shrillness or screechiness in the sound of an instrument caused by excessive energy in the region between approximately 5,000 cps and 10,000 cps. ribbon mikes tend to be immune to sibilance, which is one reason many engineers prefer them for recording viola, violin, cello and bass viol. VELOCITY MIKE: A microphone that depends on the changes in the speed (velocity) of the air particles impacting the diaphragm to move the diaphragm. Ribbon mikes are velocity types. The disc-shaped diaphragms of dynamic and condensor mikes respond to changes in air pressure to move the diaphragm. The result is that a velocity mike operates above the resonance of its diaphragm, whereas other mikes have diaphragm resonance within their operating range. VOICE EFFORT EQ: A 6 dB per octave treble boost incorporated into a mike preamp to boost the treble of older ribbon mikes to give the mikes extended high frequency response and a more modern sound. With that background, here is a run-down on the mikes you asked about: 1. RCA 44, 74 and 77 series velocity mikes are, in many opinions, the ribbon mikes to which all others are compared. The 44 is regarded by many as the definitive studio ribbon mike, and it has been in production almost continuously since 1927. The newest incarnation of the 44 is made by Wes Dooley of AEA. Early production 44s had a high end of only about 10,000 cps (regardless of what you read online) but modern ones extend beyond 20,000 cps. Early production 44s should be regarded as solo mikes, whereas AEA's newest production models can be ensemble mikes. 2. The EV "V" series are cheap copies of the RCA 44 sold to home recordists and designed to connect to the high impedance inputs of home recording equipment. A few have been improved with better transformers; these conversions sound much like 1950s vintage RCA 44. The frequency response is only about 50 to 10,000 cps; voice effort EQ need for a modern sound, otherwise these are dark and closed-in sounding. Solo mike use only is recommended. I have an EV Model V-3 low-impedance conversion. 3. Chinese Ribbon Mikesvary between garbage and quite good. Garbage models lack the ribbon-mike sound, and will break up into harsh distortion with high SPLs, contradicting their often impressive spec sheet. The differences lie chiefly in the quality of the output transformer and the tolerances held in fabricating the pleated aluminum ribbon. 3a. Nady models are junk. 3b. Cascade's Fat Head is remarkably good, and is one of the few Chinese-make ribbons that is of ensemble mike quality, excellent detail, smooth vocals, a good balance of classic ribbon sound, it almost has a condensor-like transparency. I'd like to have one. 3c. The CAD Trion has classic "Golden Age" ribbon mike sound, but with a bit more detail. It is evocative of older RCA 44 types but has the same output level as modern dynamics, so a microvoltaic preamp isn't needed. Definitely a solo mike, a very good choice for vocals, voice- over, radio and TV presenters -- but only with voice effort EQ. CAD has over-hyped the mike and many who buy it are disappointed as result but if you understand how to use it you can get magic out of it. 4. Oktava ribbon mikes are dark sounding overall and should be regarded as solo mikes. They are best for excessively-bright acoustic guitars, speech and male vocals. Renders violin distant and lacking resonance. Slight voice effort EQ opens up their sound. Mediocre SPL handling, so I'd avoid them for brass or electric instruments. Oktava ribbons have a cult following because many recordists feel they are warm and mellow yet detailed. Beware examples with poor workmanship, beware counterfeits and beware fraud. I'd steer clear of Oktava unless you know the provenance. 5. Amperite made budget ribbon mikes for home recording, two-way radio service and public address systems. Overall, they lack detail and most models have a frequency response of 50 to 8,000 cps for most models. Of value only to collectors. 6. ElectroVoice ribbon mikes are styled to resemble the RCA 44. They're made for home recording. if you are looking for a recording ribbon this is probably not what you want. Conversions can be quite good but the ribbon is heavy compared to other manufacturers so voice effort EQ is a must even with conversions. 7. Bruno ribbon mikes were distributed by Webster-Chicago and are very rare because Bruno didn't stay in business for long. They're actually not a ribbon mike, but are a condensor mike with a ribbon-shaped element. These are amazing sounding mikes and are probably the best vocal mike I've ever heard! Brunos have a flat insulated perforated plate covered by a system of ribbons. The plate has 80 holes per square inch, each one-sixteenth of an inch in diameter. Laid over the plate are eight ribbons of 0.0002 inch thick duralumin, placed parallel to each other, with their adjacent edges barely touching. The ribbons are fastened at their ends to the plate and move freely toward or away from it. The ribbons act as one “plate” of the condensor microphone. A DC polarizing voltage of from 50 to 350 volts is applied. The effect of the difference of potential is to draw the ribbons against the perforated plate, the degree of attraction depends on the increase or decrease of the polarizing voltage. Therefore changing the polarizing voltage changes the frequency response of the mike and lets you EQ it by varying the polarizing voltage! Amazing! 8. Shure 300, 315, 330 and SM33 ribbons have a distinct and quite pronounced mellow sonic coloration. They were briefly popular for radio and TV presenters, and were never sold in large numbers. They fell out of popularity rather quickly. As a result they are scarce. Johnny Carson used a Shure 315 and this has given the mike a reputation for greatness it doesn't deserve. Prices on eBay for the 300, 315, 330 and SM33 are as a result excessive, and Shure ribbons sell far above market value. I had an SM33 for many years, but sod it because its coloration is so extreme that it was suited for only a few projects. As a result I seldom ever used it and I sold mine to a friend who collects pre-1970 Shure mikes. On May 28, 2008, at 6:30 PM, MD wrote: > Dear Kermit, What is your experience with vintage & modern Ribbon > mics?Have you heard any new cheap Chinese models(Nady,Cascade Fat > Head,CAD Trion 7000)?How about Oktava ML-16,51,52 mikes?Can you tell > anything about vintage ribbons(Amperite,EV,Bruno,Shure 300,315)?I > recently had a great success using vintage EV-654 Omni mic.Sounds > unbelievable!Actually,I don't care about stereo anymore after finding > elusive Nak Reference Monitor speaker(re-labelled Diatone 2s-350).Mono > is amazing...Stereo feels like 3D special effect.Regards,Mike I've met many others who feel as you do and have toyed with starting a specialty record labels that would release mono LPs only, each recording made with my customized Ampex 602 mono recorder, using only one mike, a Beyerdynamic ribbon mike, to pick up the entire band. I thought of specializing in bluegrass and folk music at first because bluegrass or folk artistically lends itself to mono recording. I wasn't sure if enough demand existed to warrant the venture but I have the equipment already so no capital investment would be needed. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri May 30 02:16:27 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:16:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] See-dee-player Message-ID: <684F0EA1-DBEC-4B5F-8BF0-D993DB0354FD@kvglabs.com> Hello all, I've been growing more dissatisfied with my NAD C540 CD player and have had the growing hunger for a Nakamichi CD player. I'm unfamiliar with most of the models, so i'd appreciate any and all critiques of the various Naka-CD players to buy. Is there a general consensus among the Naka-cognoscenti as to the more desirable models? -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From Bansijeff at aol.com Thu May 29 21:33:09 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 15:33:09 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Rewind motor for 550 #3663104; recording heads for 600 #3815104 Message-ID: In a message dated 5/29/2008 1:03:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, beaucooke at comcast.net writes: I'm on a strict budget, but would like to get my naks 550 and 600 working again. What options are there for these parts? I believe the motors and heads for these two decks are interchangeable. You could buy a single parts deck of either model on eBay and use it to support both decks. 600's usually sell for less than 550's, and you could find one in poor cosmetic condition which still works. Jeff W **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bansijeff at aol.com Fri May 30 03:07:57 2008 From: Bansijeff at aol.com (Bansijeff at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:07:57 EDT Subject: [naktalk] See-dee-player Message-ID: In a message dated 5/29/2008 5:18:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: I'm unfamiliar with most of the models, so i'd appreciate any and all critiques of the various Naka-CD players to buy. Is there a general consensus among the Naka-cognoscenti as to the more desirable models? Stay away from the early ones - they won't track CD-R's. That includes most of the OMS models, even though they have a good tone. I use a CD-4, but it's a little iffy when skipping tracks. Doesn't always go to the track you want on a CD-R. Of course, I listen to crap CD's made in Pakistan and India, so probably a lot of machines would mis-track them too. The Music Bank models usually do OK with CD-R's, and I also have an MB-2 which is a pretty good machine. Generally speaking, the better ones have a digital output, even if you don't use it. Jeff W **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu May 29 18:44:16 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 11:44:16 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Rewind motor for 550 #3663104; recording heads for 600 #3815104 Message-ID: <20579907.1212079456398.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The 550 has only one motor. I'll bet your belt needs replacing. Marrs Communications has one. The 600 head is relappable if it has a wear groove in the face. I can send you a used but good head if you cannot find someone to relap yours. The 600 azimuth screw loosens easily, so make sure your head problems are not cured with a simple azimn=uth adjustment. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: beaucooke at comcast.net >Sent: May 28, 2008 5:15 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Rewind motor for 550 #3663104; recording heads for 600 #3815104 > >Hi all, > >I'm on a strict budget, but would like to get my naks 550 and 600 working again. What options are there for these parts? > >Thanks for any tips, > >Bob >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu May 29 23:14:10 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:14:10 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Belt length Message-ID: <27239636.1212095650327.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It is closer to correct than any other substitute belt. The trick with the classic belt is understanding WHY the various parameters like width, circumfrence, and thickness interact in a way that make all substitute belts not as good as the originals. All we can do now is compare and theorize. The basic truth is that the original is the best. Some of the replacement belts are pretty good, but when you operate a Nakamichi you do so because it offers the finest performance possible. With a substitute belt we loose a bit of what makes the Nak so special. This is RAM's point. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: David Thompson >Sent: May 29, 2008 7:30 AM >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Subject: [naktalk] Belt length > >John > >Does that mean that the 8096D belt is a little loose on the classic >transport? OK or not so good? > >David > >>Message: 10 >>Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:18:43 -0400 >>From: johngipps at aol.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Belts from Marrs Communications and ESL - length > measurements. >To: naktalk at naks.com >Message-ID: <8CA8F0EC7511612-654-1D3C at FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>Hi All > >>Here are some belt length measurements that may throw a little light on some >recent posts. > >>I have measured the lengths of some new genuine Nakamichi belts sourced from >ESL by myself and some of my customers, and some 8096Ds sourced from Fred by >customers. The ESL 8096C belts come from two batches with different markings - >but measure almost identically. Two 8096D belts from Fred had the same markings, >and measured the same. > >>I took each measurement several times to test repeatability, and believe it >would be fair to assign an accuracy of +/- 0.3mm to the diameter measurements. I >did not measure thickness - I'll do that later when I do wow and flutter and >find my micrometer. > >>I have quoted diameters and widths in mm. > >>CR-3 belt from ESL?? ?? ??? ??? ? 78.3mm X 5mm - length 246mm > >8096C from ESL - batch 1?? ?? 74.9mm X 5mm - length 235mm >8096C from ESL - batch 2?? ?? 74.8mm X 5mm - length 235mm > >8>096D from Fred ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? 78.6mm X 5mm - length 247mm > >>My measurements of genuine Nakamichi belts from many years ago are consistent >with the measurements of ESL belts above - my records show 75mm X 5mm. > >>It's immediately obvious that the 8096D from Fred is a good fit for a CR-3 - >and Warren is right - it wouldn't be tight - it would be just right. So Antoine, >you're right to be concerned about tight capstan belts (see posts from Kannan >and Jeff W), but the 8096D would be a good fit on your CR-3. > >>Obviously the wow and flutter measurements will be of much greater interest >than these diameter measurements, because they relate to what we hear. I'll be >as quick as I can with these Dino, but you may soon realise that they call me >the late John Gipps for good reason. > >Regards > >>John Gipps > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 30 04:05:28 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:05:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] See-dee-player Message-ID: <23811706.1212113128503.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Assuming no outboard D/A. OMS 7 for old school. Needs a good cable like VandenHul. MB-4 for a changer. The best poor man's CD is a Pioneer laserdisc player. Exceptional sound when it's "not supposed to." tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kermit Gray >Sent: May 29, 2008 7:16 PM >To: Naktalk Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] See-dee-player > >Hello all, > >I've been growing more dissatisfied with my NAD C540 CD player and >have had the growing hunger for a Nakamichi CD player. I'm unfamiliar >with most of the models, so i'd appreciate any and all critiques of >the various Naka-CD players to buy. Is there a general consensus among >the Naka-cognoscenti as to the more desirable models? > >-- Kermit Gray >notarbene at kvglabs.com >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to Make Your Music Better >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >Telephone: 913-422-0957 >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From lenaw at flash.net Fri May 30 02:26:56 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 17:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] See-dee-player In-Reply-To: <684F0EA1-DBEC-4B5F-8BF0-D993DB0354FD@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <924724.70668.qm@web80204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi: Those that use PHILIPS 16bits D/A converter ( TDA1541 ) should be pretty good IMHO. Mike Kermit Gray wrote: Hello all, I've been growing more dissatisfied with my NAD C540 CD player and have had the growing hunger for a Nakamichi CD player. I'm unfamiliar with most of the models, so i'd appreciate any and all critiques of the various Naka-CD players to buy. Is there a general consensus among the Naka-cognoscenti as to the more desirable models? -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Thu May 29 17:45:40 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:45:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ESL 8096C and 8096-D Exact Measurements Message-ID: <483ECFA4.20401@marrscommunications.com> May 29, 2008 E.S.L. 8096C, 4 Belts measured. Results: 3 belts, 24.0 cm ( 9.44882 " ) X .200 " X 0.019 " Results: 1 belt , 24.2 cm ( 9.52756 " ) X .200 " X 0.020 " Specifications guaranteed to me in writing from the Factory on the 8096-D . 9.5 " X .200 X 0.018" . ( + or - 0.001 ) Wall Tolerance. = 0.019 " to 0.017 " (Max to Min) Wall. MEASUREMENTS: 8096-D, 5 Belts measured. Results: 1 belt , 24.100 cm ( 9.48819 " ) X .200 " X 0.019 " Results: 4 belts, 24.150 cm ( 9.50787 " ) X .200 " X 0.018 " Right on the Money. Just reconfirming my previous measurements. P.S. I can have these specifications changed to suit preferences at any time, as long as it makes since. Minimum quantity to do this is 1000 pieces, as per Factory. From mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk Thu May 29 18:59:16 2008 From: mercedesbenz999 at hotmail.co.uk (Mercedes Benz) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:59:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fred M. 's Final Comment about the 8096-D Capstan Belt In-Reply-To: <483C3D00.3040901@marrscommunications.com> References: <483C3D00.3040901@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: You wrote: "11. Due to all of the "hear say" or controversy about measurements on my "D", I purchased a Nakamichi T-100, and have tested it for myself to end any doubt, of just how good the belt is. After all, most of the information I heard from Naktalk was all: so, so, or negative. I knew Better." So Fred, what were the results? Can you please post them here as I think a lot of people will be interested? 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The manual then suggests to set the monitor switch to Source and adjust the input level control to achieve 500mV -2db on the voltmeter. But when I adjusted the level to obtain 500mV and then checked the db readings on my Fluke 8050A, it read -3.65db, similarly, when I adjusted for -2db, the underlying voltage did not stay at 500mV. Am I doing it totally wrong, have I mis-understood the procedure or is there something wrong with my deck? My Fluke meter was calibrated at the end of last year. Can someone please guide me in the right direction? I have'nt performed this procedure before so please think of me as a layman. Thanks & best regards, ~Nadeem~ _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Fri May 30 07:01:47 2008 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 07:01:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] See-dee-player In-Reply-To: <684F0EA1-DBEC-4B5F-8BF0-D993DB0354FD@kvglabs.com> References: <684F0EA1-DBEC-4B5F-8BF0-D993DB0354FD@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: Hi Kermit, because of the failing laser units i would go for a sony cdp xa 5 / 7 es or a sony cdp xa 20 / 50 es. Great machines. Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit Gray" To: "Naktalk Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:16 AM Subject: [naktalk] See-dee-player > Hello all, > > I've been growing more dissatisfied with my NAD C540 CD player and have > had the growing hunger for a Nakamichi CD player. I'm unfamiliar with > most of the models, so i'd appreciate any and all critiques of the > various Naka-CD players to buy. Is there a general consensus among the > Naka-cognoscenti as to the more desirable models? > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 3145 (20080529) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > From rjkent at comcast.net Fri May 30 06:34:20 2008 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:34:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts Message-ID: <005e01c8c20e$6e4f7190$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> Regarding original Nak capstan belts, I finally got around to measuring a few unused belts that I purchased direct from a at the NAKUSA Warehouse in Santa Monica before they sold their last stock to Jeff at ESL (I think????), and closed up shop. By the way, the last price I had from them was $12 to $16 a piece depending on the belt....that was 4 years ago. I don't have a belt measurer, so for the circumference I measured them laid out flat (but not stretched at all), and doubling this measurement yields an approximate outside circumference. For thickness and width, I used a digital caliper and closed it just to contact.....not squeezed. I got the following: 0C82702A (CR-3): .5mm x 5.1mm x 250mm 0C80634A (CR-4, 5, 7): .46mm x 6.2mm x 226mm 0C08096C (670ZX, 682ZX, RX505): .51mm x 5.1mm x 236mm Fred's 8096D belt, with my measuring technique, is: .52mm x 5.1mm x 248mm The thickness and width are right on. The outside circumference is about 12mm larger than my 8096C, or about 2.8mm larger for inside diameter. You can feel that difference if you loop them both over your fingers and pull them firm, but they are very, very close. The level of elasticity feels very similar between the two, although that is difficult to be sure of without running an instrumented tensile pull test. Also, you can see why it would work very well on the CR-3 as well. Of course, I have no way of knowing if the belts I got from NAKUSA were the same as what were supplied from the NAK factory with the decks originally, but they were at least what they provided as replacements up until they closed the warehouse. I am encouraged by the testing that has been done with Fred's 8096D, and have ordered a few more from him. It is certainly the closest thing we have seen as a new replacement, and appears to be testing very well. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpfinn at btinternet.com Thu May 29 23:34:47 2008 From: tpfinn at btinternet.com (TERRY FINN) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:34:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 References: <483D32A5.9060703@sheffield.ac.uk><0D8D7042-A730-4627-830D-BF6D51428433@kvglabs.com><112a7fe30805281630y4e6c23edv1b073253f4f01a3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002801c8c1d3$d1a6f820$0201a8c0@home> Nice roundup Kermit, For those who want a bit more background and details on Wes Dooleys Ribbon mics, the new PHANTOM powered 440 ribbon and his stunning TRP pre amp go to: www.ribbonmics.com Regards T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 > Hi Mike, > > Oh wow, Mike asks a mike question! Cool! > > To best answer your question, I need to give you a tour of the basic > concepts of ribbon microphones. > > Generally, most vintage ribbon mikes produce extremely faint signals, > typically the same as a moving coil cartridge, on the order of a few > microvolts. Mike preamps that are optimal for amplifying the older > ribbon mikes must have no less than 80 dB of gain, and may have as > much as 95 dB of gain. In recent years, improvements in magnetic > materials have allowed the creation of ribbon mikes having the same > output as dynamic mikes; these high output ribbon mikes can be > connected to any typical mike preamp. CAUTION: Phantom power will > damage a ribbon mike. Some studios have a preamp dedicated to their > ribbon mikes that either has not phantom powered or that has the > phantom power permanently disabled. > > RIBBON MIKES ARE FRAGILE! Do not EVER tap a ribbon mike! Always use a > windscreen with vocals or when outdoors. Store them vertically to keep > the ribbon from sagging. Keep them covered when not in use. Avoid > dust, high humidity and rapid changes in temperature. Never connect > phantom power to the mike unless it is one of the few newest models, > such as Royer, having a built-in preamp. > > Most ribbon mikes have a figure-eight pickup pattern, although a few > have cardioid or supercardioid patterns. The RCA 77DX has three pickup > patterns effected by a system of moveable baffle placed behind the > ribbon element. The Altec 638 "birdcage" ribbon mike has three pickup > patterns effected by switching an omni dynamic element together with a > figure-eight ribbon element in different phases and combinations. > > Most ribbon mikes exhibit pronounced proximity effect (see below). > Older vintage designs (pre-1960 vintage) ribbon mikes usually cannot > be placed closer than about one meter (four feet) from a sound without > excessive bass, unless they are deliberately misloaded (see below) to > allow closer placement. > > Many engineers feel that ribbon mikes are the best choice for > recording vocals, narration, and orchestral strings (viola, violin, > cello, bass viol). > > ENSEMBLE MIKE: A ribbon microphone having the capability to pick up > the faintest details in a sound, allowing it to be suitable for miking > an entire choir, orchestra, jazz group or other other musical ensemble. > > LOADING: A term descriptive of the input impedance of audio preamps > and amplifiers. In 1946, hit musician and recording pioneer Les Paul > (who invented multitrack recording, by the way) deliberately misloaded > the impedance of his RCA 44 ribbons, reducing their sensitivity > greatly and cutting bass by the same amount as proximity effect > of ,the mike. This was the first successful close-miking technique and > it revolutionized sound recording. Today moist recordings are close- > miked. > > MICROVOLTAIC AMPLIFIER: A special class of audio frequency voltage > amplifiers (preamps) that can amplify signals in the microvolt range > without introducing excessive noise, having a typical voltage gain of > up to 10,000. Satisfactory microvoltaic amplifiers have been > constructed since the 1930s, and overf the decades have been > constructed from pentodes, nuvistors, field-effect transistors and > specialized integrated circuits. My Type 75V and Type 75R mike preamps > are microvoltaic amplifiers designed specifically for amplifying the > output of ribbon mikes, and is fitted with voice effort EQ as an > option (see below). > > PROXIMITY EFFECT: The increase in the bass frequencies picked up by a > directional microphone as the mike is moved closer to a sound. > Referred to as "bass tip up" in the UK. > > REFLECTED IMPEDANCE: All ribbon mikes have an output transformer that > steps up the extremely low impedance ribbon element (as low as 0.2 > Ohm) to 50 or 150 ohms for connection to the mike preamp. A > transformer is said to "reflect" the impedance connected to its > secondary (in this case, the mike preamp's input impedance) into the > primary circuit (the ribbon element). This reflected impedance changes > the load on the ribbon element, altering its frequency response and > sensitivity as a result. Matching impedances is important to getting > the most out of a ribbon mike, but deliberately altering input > impedance allows you to tweak the mike's sound like no other mike. > > SIBILANCE: An exaggeration of the "S" sounds in speech or vocals > caused by excessive energy in the region between approximately 5,000 > cps and 10,000 cps. Ribbon mikes tend to be immune to sibilance, which > is one reason many engineers prefer them for vocals and speech. > > SOLO MIKE: A ribbon microphone lacking the capability to pick up the > faintest details in a sound, allowing it to be suitable for miking > only one specific musician or instrument, typically a vocal soloist, a > narrator or a violin. > > STRIDENCE: An edginess, shrillness or screechiness in the sound of an > instrument caused by excessive energy in the region between > approximately 5,000 cps and 10,000 cps. ribbon mikes tend to be immune > to sibilance, which is one reason many engineers prefer them for > recording viola, violin, cello and bass viol. > > VELOCITY MIKE: A microphone that depends on the changes in the speed > (velocity) of the air particles impacting the diaphragm to move the > diaphragm. Ribbon mikes are velocity types. The disc-shaped diaphragms > of dynamic and condensor mikes respond to changes in air pressure to > move the diaphragm. The result is that a velocity mike operates above > the resonance of its diaphragm, whereas other mikes have diaphragm > resonance within their operating range. > > VOICE EFFORT EQ: A 6 dB per octave treble boost incorporated into a > mike preamp to boost the treble of older ribbon mikes to give the > mikes extended high frequency response and a more modern sound. > > With that background, here is a run-down on the mikes you asked about: > > 1. RCA 44, 74 and 77 series velocity mikes are, in many opinions, the > ribbon mikes to which all others are compared. The 44 is regarded by > many as the definitive studio ribbon mike, and it has been in > production almost continuously since 1927. The newest incarnation of > the 44 is made by Wes Dooley of AEA. Early production 44s had a high > end of only about 10,000 cps (regardless of what you read online) but > modern ones extend beyond 20,000 cps. Early production 44s should be > regarded as solo mikes, whereas AEA's newest production models can be > ensemble mikes. > > 2. The EV "V" series are cheap copies of the RCA 44 sold to home > recordists and designed to connect to the high impedance inputs of > home recording equipment. A few have been improved with better > transformers; these conversions sound much like 1950s vintage RCA 44. > The frequency response is only about 50 to 10,000 cps; voice effort EQ > need for a modern sound, otherwise these are dark and closed-in > sounding. Solo mike use only is recommended. I have an EV Model V-3 > low-impedance conversion. > > 3. Chinese Ribbon Mikesvary between garbage and quite good. Garbage > models lack the ribbon-mike sound, and will break up into harsh > distortion with high SPLs, contradicting their often impressive spec > sheet. > The differences lie chiefly in the quality of the output transformer > and the tolerances held in fabricating the pleated aluminum ribbon. > > 3a. Nady models are junk. > > 3b. Cascade's Fat Head is remarkably good, and is one of the few > Chinese-make ribbons that is of ensemble mike quality, excellent > detail, smooth vocals, a good balance of classic ribbon sound, it > almost has a condensor-like transparency. I'd like to have one. > > 3c. The CAD Trion has classic "Golden Age" ribbon mike sound, but with > a bit more detail. It is evocative of older RCA 44 types but has the > same output level as modern dynamics, so a microvoltaic preamp isn't > needed. Definitely a solo mike, a very good choice for vocals, voice- > over, radio and TV presenters -- but only with voice effort EQ. CAD > has over-hyped the mike and many who buy it are disappointed as > result but if you understand how to use it you can get magic out of it. > > 4. Oktava ribbon mikes are dark sounding overall and should be > regarded as solo mikes. They are best for excessively-bright acoustic > guitars, speech and male vocals. Renders violin distant and lacking > resonance. Slight voice effort EQ opens up their sound. Mediocre SPL > handling, so I'd avoid them for brass or electric instruments. Oktava > ribbons have a cult following because many recordists feel they are > warm and mellow yet detailed. Beware examples with poor workmanship, > beware counterfeits and beware fraud. I'd steer clear of Oktava unless > you know the provenance. > > 5. Amperite made budget ribbon mikes for home recording, two-way radio > service and public address systems. Overall, they lack detail and most > models have a frequency response of 50 to 8,000 cps for most models. > Of value only to collectors. > > 6. ElectroVoice ribbon mikes are styled to resemble the RCA 44. > They're made for home recording. if you are looking for a recording > ribbon this is probably not what you want. Conversions can be quite > good but the ribbon is heavy compared to other manufacturers so voice > effort EQ is a must even with conversions. > > 7. Bruno ribbon mikes were distributed by Webster-Chicago and are very > rare because Bruno didn't stay in business for long. They're actually > not a ribbon mike, but are a condensor mike with a ribbon-shaped > element. These are amazing sounding mikes and are probably the best > vocal mike I've ever heard! Brunos have a flat insulated perforated > plate covered by a system of ribbons. The plate has 80 holes per > square inch, each one-sixteenth of an inch in diameter. Laid over the > plate are eight ribbons of 0.0002 inch thick duralumin, placed > parallel to each other, with their adjacent edges barely touching. The > ribbons are fastened at their ends to the plate and move freely toward > or away from it. The ribbons act as one “plate” of the condensor > microphone. A DC polarizing voltage of from 50 to 350 volts is > applied. The effect of the difference of potential is to draw the > ribbons against the perforated plate, the degree of attraction depends > on the increase or decrease of the polarizing voltage. Therefore > changing the polarizing voltage changes the frequency response of the > mike and lets you EQ it by varying the polarizing voltage! Amazing! > > 8. Shure 300, 315, 330 and SM33 ribbons have a distinct and quite > pronounced mellow sonic coloration. They were briefly popular for > radio and TV presenters, and were never sold in large numbers. They > fell out of popularity rather quickly. As a result they are scarce. > Johnny Carson used a Shure 315 and this has given the mike a > reputation for greatness it doesn't deserve. Prices on eBay for the > 300, 315, 330 and SM33 are as a result excessive, and Shure ribbons > sell far above market value. I had an SM33 for many years, but sod it > because its coloration is so extreme that it was suited for only a few > projects. As a result I seldom ever used it and I sold mine to a > friend who collects pre-1970 Shure mikes. > > > > On May 28, 2008, at 6:30 PM, MD wrote: > > > Dear Kermit, What is your experience with vintage & modern Ribbon > > mics?Have you heard any new cheap Chinese models(Nady,Cascade Fat > > Head,CAD Trion 7000)?How about Oktava ML-16,51,52 mikes?Can you tell > > anything about vintage ribbons(Amperite,EV,Bruno,Shure 300,315)?I > > recently had a great success using vintage EV-654 Omni mic.Sounds > > unbelievable!Actually,I don't care about stereo anymore after finding > > elusive Nak Reference Monitor speaker(re-labelled Diatone 2s-350).Mono > > is amazing...Stereo feels like 3D special effect.Regards,Mike > > > I've met many others who feel as you do and have toyed with starting a > specialty record labels that would release mono LPs only, each > recording made with my customized Ampex 602 mono recorder, using only > one mike, a Beyerdynamic ribbon mike, to pick up the entire band. I > thought of specializing in bluegrass and folk music at first because > bluegrass or folk artistically lends itself to mono recording. I > wasn't sure if enough demand existed to warrant the venture but I have > the equipment already so no capital investment would be needed. > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.3/1472 - Release Date: 29/05/08 07:27 > > From tim.skorick at gmail.com Fri May 30 13:24:40 2008 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 06:24:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] See-dee-player In-Reply-To: References: <684F0EA1-DBEC-4B5F-8BF0-D993DB0354FD@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <6bddc1110805300424g4e156dc0tde11dcd064debf32@mail.gmail.com> Hey Kermit, I wouldn't go Nak for digital components, the really good ones seem to be rare and prohibitively expensive. For CDs I use a Music Hall CD-25.2, it runs on the Philips VAM1202/19 transport and has a Burr-Brown PCM 1738 24-bit/192kHz DAC as well as optical and coax digital outs if you want to use your own. You can get them unmodified on Audiogon for around $450 or new for $550 and offer sound that should cost six times that. Just my $.02 -Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Fri May 30 14:07:47 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 07:07:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fred M. 's Final Comment about the 8096-D Capstan Belt In-Reply-To: References: <483C3D00.3040901@marrscommunications.com> Message-ID: <483FEE13.6070305@marrscommunications.com> Hi Nadeem, I am not going to post my own measurements. I needed to see for myself if I would meet spec. Fred M Mercedes Benz wrote: > You wrote: > > "11. Due to all of the "hear say" or controversy about measurements on my > "D", I purchased a Nakamichi T-100, and have tested it for myself to end > any doubt, of just how good the belt is. After all, most of the > information I heard from Naktalk was all: so, so, or negative. I knew > Better." > > So Fred, what were the results? Can you please post them here as I > think a lot of people will be interested? > > Best regards, > ~Nadeem~ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get Started! > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Fri May 30 14:15:16 2008 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 22:15:16 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] See-dee Player Message-ID: Kermit I use a CDPlayer 4 too and I have no problems with it. It has a subtly richer sound than the Luxman I had before. I am very happy with it. David >Message: 5 >Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:07:57 EDT >From: Bansijeff at aol.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] See-dee-player To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >In a message dated 5/29/2008 5:18:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, notarbene at kvglabs.com writes: >I'm unfamiliar with most of the models, so i'd appreciate any and all critiques of the various Naka-CD players to buy. Is there a general consensus among the Naka-cognoscenti as to the more desirable models? >Stay away from the early ones - they won't track CD-R's. That includes most of the OMS models, even though they have a good tone. I use a CD-4, but it's a little iffy when skipping tracks. Doesn't always go to the track you >want on a CD-R. Of course, I listen to crap CD's made in Pakistan and India, so >probably a lot of machines would mis-track them too. The Music Bank models usually do OK with CD-R's, and I also have an MB-2 which is a pretty good machine. Generally speaking, the better ones have a digital output, even >if you don't use it. >Jeff W From enoyes at snet.net Fri May 30 15:14:55 2008 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:14:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mics FOR A 550 In-Reply-To: References: <483D32A5.9060703@sheffield.ac.uk> <0D8D7042-A730-4627-830D-BF6D51428433@kvglabs.com> <112a7fe30805281630y4e6c23edv1b073253f4f01a3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <483FFDCF.3010604@snet.net> Just a couple of cents worth, I may have simply gotten lucky, but couldn't resist buying pair of the Nady Fathead lookalikes as they were only $79 each at the time! I have to say that I've been really impressed. Again, maybe it's just luck as quality control is probably spotty at best, but these have a real ribbon sound with a mellow quality that makes them very smooth. For most apps they do require some high end boost, and the output is definitely low (I run wide open on my mic pre with acoustic instruments), but these have been useful for everything from acoustic guitar/vox to crossed figure 8 drum overheads and live ensemble recording. I will confess that they can be a little closed in in the mids, and don't handle really high spl's as well as they could, but for the price these mics proved remarkable. Ed > I've met many others who feel as you do and have toyed with starting > a specialty record labels that would release mono LPs only, each > recording made with my customized Ampex 602 mono recorder, using only > one mike, a Beyerdynamic ribbon mike, to pick up the entire band. I > thought of specializing in bluegrass and folk music at first because > bluegrass or folk artistically lends itself to mono recording. I > wasn't sure if enough demand existed to warrant the venture but I > have the equipment already so no capital investment would be needed. > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Fri May 30 16:02:47 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (wnn523484 at telfort.nl) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:02:47 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Rewind motor for 550; recording heads for 600 In-Reply-To: <200805301005.m4UA1RE3020481@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <481B3765000177A0@mail-4-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Bob As Tom Bruckner already reacted; The 550 does not have a seperate motor for rewinding tape. If the 550 still plays and FF works, it is not a defect motor or belt. If no function works at all it can be the motor (or belt) that's defect. If the motor and belt are fine but the Rewind function is failing, most likely the idler wheel assembly is frozen up due to old grease. This assembly is placed in the center of the mechanism on a pivot. The assembly is moved slightly to right and left (spring loaded) with forward of backward winding functions. You can probably move it by hand when the spring is no longer moving the assembly. Free up the pivot by soaking it with WD40 and it will work again. Succes, Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl -----Original Message----- >From: beaucooke at comcast.net >Sent: May 28, 2008 5:15 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Rewind motor for 550 #3663104; recording heads for 600 #3815104 > >Hi all, > >I'm on a strict budget, but would like to get my naks 550 and 600 working again. What options are there for these parts? > >Thanks for any tips, > >Bob From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 30 16:05:59 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:05:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] See-dee-player In-Reply-To: <684F0EA1-DBEC-4B5F-8BF0-D993DB0354FD@kvglabs.com> References: <684F0EA1-DBEC-4B5F-8BF0-D993DB0354FD@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <484009C7.1090401@rcn.com> I listened to some Nak CD players, many years ago. Don't recall model numbers. Mostly, in fleeting demos at stores. (Note that I said 'listened', not 'auditioned'.) Anyways, my (subjective) conclusion was that Nak CD players didn't offer the kind of magic Nak cassette decks did. I now own a Pioneer DV-59AVi that does manage to wring very nice sound out of CDs. List, new, was $1600. I paid about $1200 for mine. Of course, it's a DVD player with video performance to match, which accounts for much of the price tag. Today, I believe they go on ebay for about 1/3 that. If one's goal is to have a player that says 'Nakamichi' on the name tag, then everything else is immaterial. However, if the goal is better sound at *reasonable* cost, I would audition some more modern players, preferably incorporating 192KHz/24bit DACs, from a company that knows how to build analog filters. It'll also help if the player knows how to deal with SACD and DVD-A discs. -- Ron Kermit Gray wrote: > Hello all, > > I've been growing more dissatisfied with my NAD C540 CD player and have > had the growing hunger for a Nakamichi CD player. I'm unfamiliar with > most of the models, so i'd appreciate any and all critiques of the > various Naka-CD players to buy. Is there a general consensus among the > Naka-cognoscenti as to the more desirable models? > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From rjkent at comcast.net Fri May 30 16:25:02 2008 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 07:25:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Belt Measurements Message-ID: <000301c8c260$f31e5740$6401a8c0@robertbwpur6ye> It is good to see that John Gipps and my measurements of the 82702A, 8096C, and Fred's 8096D are extremely close....these should be reliable measurements: John Gipps: CR-3 belt from ESL: 78.3mm X 5mm - length 246mm 8096C from ESL - batch 1: 74.9mm X 5mm - length 235mm 8096C from ESL - batch 2: 74.8mm X 5mm - length 235mm 8096D from Fred: 78.6mm X 5mm - length 247mm Robert Kent: 0C82702A (CR-3): .5mm x 5.1mm x 250mm 0C80634A (CR-4, 5, 7): .46mm x 6.2mm x 226mm 0C08096C (670ZX, 682ZX, RX505): .51mm x 5.1mm x 236mm Marrs 8096D belt: .52mm x 5.1mm x 248mm Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 30 16:33:27 2008 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:33:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Help with calibrating Level Meters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48401037.9060607@rcn.com> Mercedes Benz wrote: > Hi, > > The other day I tried to calibrate the Level Meters on my CR-4 as after > reading the procedure in the service manual I thought it would be an > easy job. But when I really got to it I could not do it beacause I think > that I could not understand the procedure correctly. > > The service manual suggests to feed in 400 Hz tone which I presumed to > be 0db so I generated the tone using Adobe Audition's tone generator on > my PC. The manual then suggests to set the monitor switch to Source and > adjust the input level control to achieve 500mV -2db on the voltmeter. > But when I adjusted the level to obtain 500mV and then checked the db > readings on my Fluke 8050A, it read -3.65db, similarly, when I adjusted > for -2db, the underlying voltage did not stay at 500mV. Nadeem, I have no idea what Nakamichi engineers had in mind when they wrote this procedure. Normally, 500mV -2db would means that you adjust for a reading of 2db under whatever db value corresponds to 500mV on Your meter. In most cases, 0 db on your meter will correspond to 775mV (0db=1mW/600ohm). However, this is immaterial, since the db is a relative unit, denoting a ratio, not an absolute number. The bottom line is that 500mV -2db is 397mV. I assume that this is what you should adjust your input level to. I hope to God that this is what the Nak engineers intended. At least, this is what they said :-). -- Ron > > Am I doing it totally wrong, have I mis-understood the procedure or is > there something wrong with my deck? My Fluke meter was calibrated at the > end of last year. Can someone please guide me in the right direction? I > have'nt performed this procedure before so please think of me as a layman. > > Thanks & best regards, > ~Nadeem~ From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri May 30 18:10:57 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:10:57 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts Message-ID: <3964600.1212163857233.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat May 31 00:43:07 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 17:43:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] See-dee-player In-Reply-To: <484009C7.1090401@rcn.com> References: <684F0EA1-DBEC-4B5F-8BF0-D993DB0354FD@kvglabs.com> <484009C7.1090401@rcn.com> Message-ID: <6EE8A7CC-79E7-4DC4-9CFC-548DF9EFCC7B@kvglabs.com> Hi Ron, I'm beginning to think you're right and that I need to seek a newer, non-Nakamichi CD player. I will be trying an outboard DAC on my NAD C540 to see if it makes any improvement. At least the NAD C540 plays HDCDs. On May 30, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Ron wrote: > > I listened to some Nak CD players, many years > ago. Don't recall model numbers. Mostly, in > fleeting demos at stores. (Note that I said > 'listened', not 'auditioned'.) Anyways, my > (subjective) conclusion was that Nak CD > players didn't offer the kind of magic Nak > cassette decks did. > > I now own a Pioneer DV-59AVi that does manage > to wring very nice sound out of CDs. List, new, > was $1600. I paid about $1200 for mine. Of > course, it's a DVD player with video > performance to match, which accounts for much > of the price tag. Today, I believe they go on > ebay for about 1/3 that. > > If one's goal is to have a player that says > 'Nakamichi' on the name tag, then everything > else is immaterial. However, if the goal is > better sound at *reasonable* cost, I would > audition some more modern players, preferably > incorporating 192KHz/24bit DACs, from a company > that knows how to build analog filters. It'll > also help if the player knows how to deal with > SACD and DVD-A discs. > > -- Ron >> -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Fri May 30 22:21:53 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Help with calibrating Level Meters In-Reply-To: <48401037.9060607@rcn.com> Message-ID: <946794.97308.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's missing a parenthesis, that's all. 500mV is -2dB relative to 775mV. It should read 500mV (-2dB). Your Fluke meter may be out of calibration, but 0dB on the fluke is probably 1VRMS, and 500mV on the fluke would be -3dB. There are 2 different standards for 0dB; 775mV and 1V. Just adjust your deck for 0dB reading at 500mV output. Warren Ron wrote: Mercedes Benz wrote: > Hi, > > The other day I tried to calibrate the Level Meters on my CR-4 as after > reading the procedure in the service manual I thought it would be an > easy job. But when I really got to it I could not do it beacause I think > that I could not understand the procedure correctly. > > The service manual suggests to feed in 400 Hz tone which I presumed to > be 0db so I generated the tone using Adobe Audition's tone generator on > my PC. The manual then suggests to set the monitor switch to Source and > adjust the input level control to achieve 500mV -2db on the voltmeter. > But when I adjusted the level to obtain 500mV and then checked the db > readings on my Fluke 8050A, it read -3.65db, similarly, when I adjusted > for -2db, the underlying voltage did not stay at 500mV. Nadeem, I have no idea what Nakamichi engineers had in mind when they wrote this procedure. Normally, 500mV -2db would means that you adjust for a reading of 2db under whatever db value corresponds to 500mV on Your meter. In most cases, 0 db on your meter will correspond to 775mV (0db=1mW/600ohm). However, this is immaterial, since the db is a relative unit, denoting a ratio, not an absolute number. The bottom line is that 500mV -2db is 397mV. I assume that this is what you should adjust your input level to. I hope to God that this is what the Nak engineers intended. At least, this is what they said :-). -- Ron > > Am I doing it totally wrong, have I mis-understood the procedure or is > there something wrong with my deck? My Fluke meter was calibrated at the > end of last year. Can someone please guide me in the right direction? I > have'nt performed this procedure before so please think of me as a layman. > > Thanks & best regards, > ~Nadeem~ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Normally, 500mV -2db> would means that you adjust for a> reading of 2db under whatever db value> corresponds to 500mV on Your meter.> > In most cases, 0 db on your meter will> correspond to 775mV (0db=1mW/600ohm).> However, this is immaterial, since the> db is a relative unit, denoting a ratio,> not an absolute number.> > The bottom line is that 500mV -2db is> 397mV. I assume that this is what you> should adjust your input level to. I> hope to God that this is what the Nak> engineers intended. At least, this is> what they said :-).> > -- Ron> > > > > > > Am I doing it totally wrong, have I mis-understood the procedure or is > > there something wrong with my deck? My Fluke meter was calibrated at the > > end of last year. Can someone please guide me in the right direction? I > > have'nt performed this procedure before so please think of me as a layman.> > > > Thanks & best regards,> > ~Nadeem~> > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on eBay today! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000004ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From beaucooke at comcast.net Sat May 31 00:18:59 2008 From: beaucooke at comcast.net (beaucooke at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 22:18:59 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Rewind motor for 550; recording heads for 600 Message-ID: <053020082218.27584.48407D5300057FDE00006BC022155612640A0501010C9A0E0A0D@comcast.net> Hi Henk, Thanks for the useful information. Bob -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl > Bob > > As Tom Bruckner already reacted; The 550 does not have a seperate motor for > rewinding tape. > If the 550 still plays and FF works, it is not a defect motor or belt. If > no function works at all it can be the motor (or belt) that's defect. > > If the motor and belt are fine but the Rewind function is failing, most likely > the idler wheel assembly is frozen up due to old grease. This assembly is > placed in the center of the mechanism on a pivot. The assembly is moved slightly > to right and left (spring loaded) with forward of backward winding functions. > You can probably move it by hand when the spring is no longer moving the > assembly. > > Free up the pivot by soaking it with WD40 and it will work again. > > Succes, > Henk Schenk > Netherlands > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > > -----Original Message----- > >From: beaucooke at comcast.net > >Sent: May 28, 2008 5:15 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Rewind motor for 550 #3663104; recording heads for 600 > #3815104 > > > >Hi all, > > > >I'm on a strict budget, but would like to get my naks 550 and 600 working > again. What options are there for these parts? > > > >Thanks for any tips, > > > >Bob > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat May 31 00:27:47 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 15:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts In-Reply-To: <3964600.1212163857233.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <117724.2988.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom and others, ESL's belts do have a marking arrow indicating direction of motion, so the belt could be installed with the right orientation to obtain perfect w/f numbers. One more point of observation. The ESL belt that I used for my ZX9 recently had a red arrow, rather than a white arrow that we all know in Nak belts. But the belt brought out the best in my ZX9 so dramatically, I am stunned after over a month! Yes, our Naks are worth the best belts out there. If Fred's belts are good then folks like you Andy, Kannan and others should supplement us Nak heads with data to affirm this. Lets hear accurate measurements( unbiased-no pun intended!) and cherish our wonderful machines. Have a great weekend. Regards, Ram Tom Brucker wrote: body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;} Robert, Thanks for the info. My belief is that all genuine C8096C belts have the directional arrow and single line drawn on them. I don't know the purpose for these marks, other than direction of rotation, but all the belts I ordered over the years had them. Fred sent an ESL belt here that had the markings, so I assume their (ESL) remaining stock does also. My personal opinion is that Fred's 8096D belt is actually the Nak C82702A CR-3 belt. All the facts Fred has presented about the belt's Japanese manufacturer make sense if this is indeed the belt's identity, it explains the lack of arrow markings, and explains the perfect performance on a CR3. Your measurements tell us the 8096D is 8mm longer than the C8096C and 2mm shorter than the C82702A. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: rjkent at comcast.net Sent: May 29, 2008 11:34 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak Capstan Belts Regarding original Nak capstan belts, I finally got around to measuring a few unused belts that I purchased direct from a at the NAKUSA Warehouse in Santa Monica before they sold their last stock to Jeff at ESL (I think????), and closed up shop. By the way, the last price I had from them was $12 to $16 a piece depending on the belt....that was 4 years ago. I don’t have a belt measurer, so for the circumference I measured them laid out flat (but not stretched at all), and doubling this measurement yields an approximate outside circumference. For thickness and width, I used a digital caliper and closed it just to contact.....not squeezed. I got the following: 0C82702A (CR-3): .5mm x 5.1mm x 250mm 0C80634A (CR-4, 5, 7): .46mm x 6.2mm x 226mm 0C08096C (670ZX, 682ZX, RX505): .51mm x 5.1mm x 236mm Fred’s 8096D belt, with my measuring technique, is: .52mm x 5.1mm x 248mm The thickness and width are right on. The outside circumference is about 12mm larger than my 8096C, or about 2.8mm larger for inside diameter. You can feel that difference if you loop them both over your fingers and pull them firm, but they are very, very close. The level of elasticity feels very similar between the two, although that is difficult to be sure of without running an instrumented tensile pull test. Also, you can see why it would work very well on the CR-3 as well. Of course, I have no way of knowing if the belts I got from NAKUSA were the same as what were supplied from the NAK factory with the decks originally, but they were at least what they provided as replacements up until they closed the warehouse. I am encouraged by the testing that has been done with Fred’s 8096D, and have ordered a few more from him. It is certainly the closest thing we have seen as a new replacement, and appears to be testing very well. Robert Kent Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Rgds, Ben -----Original Message----- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Sat, 31 May 2008 10:43 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] See-dee-player Hi Ron,? ? I'm beginning to think you're right and that I need to seek a newer, non-Nakamichi CD player. I will be trying an outboard DAC on my NAD C540 to see if it makes any improvement. At least the NAD C540 plays HDCDs.? ? On May 30, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Ron wrote:? ? >? > I listened to some Nak CD players, many years? > ago. Don't recall model numbers. Mostly, in? > fleeting demos at stores. (Note that I said? > 'listened', not 'auditioned'.) Anyways, my? > (subjective) conclusion was that Nak CD? > players didn't offer the kind of magic Nak? > cassette decks did.? >? > I now own a Pioneer DV-59AVi that does manage? > to wring very nice sound out of CDs. List, new,? > was $1600. I paid about $1200 for mine. Of? > course, it's a DVD player with video? > performance to match, which accounts for much? > of the price tag. Today, I believe they go on? > ebay for about 1/3 that.? >? > If one's goal is to have a player that says? > 'Nakamichi' on the name tag, then everything? > else is immaterial. However, if the goal is? > better sound at *reasonable* cost, I would? > audition some more modern players, preferably? > incorporating 192KHz/24bit DACs, from a company? > that knows how to build analog filters. It'll? > also help if the player knows how to deal with? > SACD and DVD-A discs.? >? > -- Ron? >>? ? -- Kermit Gray? notarbene at kvglabs.com? KVG Laboratories? Equipment to Make Your Music Better? 16371 Lake Point Drive? Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA? Telephone: 913-422-0957? Skype ID: triodelicacy? ? ? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? ? Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist? Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk? ========---------------------------------------------------------=========? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sat May 31 04:08:57 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 20:08:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] See-dee-player References: <684F0EA1-DBEC-4B5F-8BF0-D993DB0354FD@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <001701c8c2c3$48a0ad00$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Hello Kermit I recently purchased an MHZS 33 from an E-bay seller in Hong Kong. It seems to have some really up to date electronics(192khz 24 bit DAC) as well as tube output which seems to be a great combination. I was really impressed with the clarity and detail, sounding more like vinyl than CD. I'll admit I don't have much to compare it to. My old hitatchi that I bought in 1985,(which turned me off of CD's and made me appreciate my NAK tape-deck that much more) and a new Yamaha 675 5 disc which I bought for the features, and thought more up to date electronics, but sounds no better than the hitachi. Just thought I would throw in my 2 cents worth. Rainer S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit Gray" To: "Naktalk Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: [naktalk] See-dee-player > Hello all, > > I've been growing more dissatisfied with my NAD C540 CD player and have > had the growing hunger for a Nakamichi CD player. I'm unfamiliar with > most of the models, so i'd appreciate any and all critiques of the > various Naka-CD players to buy. Is there a general consensus among the > Naka-cognoscenti as to the more desirable models? > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ryson2 at sbcglobal.net Sat May 31 07:20:14 2008 From: ryson2 at sbcglobal.net (ryson2) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 00:20:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX100 idler tire and belt directions? Message-ID: <001f01c8c2de$057c4e60$6501a8c0@RICHARDSON> Im sure this has been asked many times, I apologize, im new to forum... Is there detailed directions online on how to change the belt and idler tire on a BX-100? I dont have a service manual and I am not so technically inclined. -Ryan ryson2 at sbcglobal.net From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Sat May 31 09:23:24 2008 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 03:23:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] See-dee-player Message-ID: <200805310323_MC3-2-615-EE25@compuserve.com> Hi Kermit, I have an OMS7Aii which can read any kind of CD's without any problem. It has BurrBrown (now TI) PCM54HP 16-bit converters. The previous model OMS7A had TDA1540's, which are actually very early 14-bit D/A converters. With the help of 4x oversampling digital filters they would achieve 16-bit performace. It is still on my "project list" to add an optical/coax digital output for the OMS7:) _Fuad Hi: Those that use PHILIPS 16bits D/A converter ( TDA1541 ) should be pretty good IMHO. Mike Kermit Gray wrote: Hello all, I've been growing more dissatisfied with my NAD C540 CD player and have had the growing hunger for a Nakamichi CD player. I'm unfamiliar with most of the models, so i'd appreciate any and all critiques of the various Naka-CD players to buy. Is there a general consensus among the Naka-cognoscenti as to the more desirable models? -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy < From adrian at thegreatbear.net Sat May 31 10:50:38 2008 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 09:50:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] See-dee-player In-Reply-To: <6EE8A7CC-79E7-4DC4-9CFC-548DF9EFCC7B@kvglabs.com> References: <684F0EA1-DBEC-4B5F-8BF0-D993DB0354FD@kvglabs.com> <484009C7.1090401@rcn.com> <6EE8A7CC-79E7-4DC4-9CFC-548DF9EFCC7B@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <3121C99D-E42A-4B68-AAA1-D6BA6838309E@thegreatbear.net> My cd player of choice at the moment is the Marantz CD 63 / 67. I picked mine up for free from freecycle! This player has a large DIY upgrade community, have a look here: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54009&perpage=25&pagenumber=1 which is a fun hobby - I've tried a few of the 'easy' things suggested and really enjoy the sound of this player. adrian On 30 May 2008, at 23:43, Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Ron, > > I'm beginning to think you're right and that I need to seek a newer, > non-Nakamichi CD player. I will be trying an outboard DAC on my NAD > C540 to see if it makes any improvement. At least the NAD C540 plays > HDCDs. > > On May 30, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Ron wrote: > >> >> I listened to some Nak CD players, many years >> ago. Don't recall model numbers. Mostly, in >> fleeting demos at stores. (Note that I said >> 'listened', not 'auditioned'.) Anyways, my >> (subjective) conclusion was that Nak CD >> players didn't offer the kind of magic Nak >> cassette decks did. >> >> I now own a Pioneer DV-59AVi that does manage >> to wring very nice sound out of CDs. List, new, >> was $1600. I paid about $1200 for mine. Of >> course, it's a DVD player with video >> performance to match, which accounts for much >> of the price tag. Today, I believe they go on >> ebay for about 1/3 that. >> >> If one's goal is to have a player that says >> 'Nakamichi' on the name tag, then everything >> else is immaterial. However, if the goal is >> better sound at *reasonable* cost, I would >> audition some more modern players, preferably >> incorporating 192KHz/24bit DACs, from a company >> that knows how to build analog filters. It'll >> also help if the player knows how to deal with >> SACD and DVD-A discs. >> >> -- Ron >>> > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From luvverboy_2008 at yahoo.com Sat May 31 17:11:40 2008 From: luvverboy_2008 at yahoo.com (James Green) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 08:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 Question Message-ID: <473099.10637.qm@web45910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> My BX-100 I bought on E-bay for $30.00 stops as soon as I hit play. A motor maybe? Any help on what it is and where I can ship it to get it fixed would be gratly appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From beaucooke at comcast.net Sat May 31 21:06:14 2008 From: beaucooke at comcast.net (beaucooke at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 19:06:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Rewind motor for 550 #3663104; recording heads for 600 #3815104 Message-ID: <053120081906.16520.4841A1A6000555520000408822165279660A0501010C9A0E0A0D@comcast.net> Hi Tom Brucker or any other kindred soul, I am looking for someone locally (n.colorado) who has experience with high end cassette deck repair and tune-up. I also need repair manuals for the 550 and 600. I tried on e-bay but no luck. Any ideas where else I might look? Naktalk is a great group!! Bob -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Tom Brucker > The 550 has only one motor. I'll bet your belt needs replacing. Marrs > Communications has one. > The 600 head is relappable if it has a wear groove in the face. I can send you a > used but good head if you cannot find someone to relap yours. The 600 azimuth > screw loosens easily, so make sure your head problems are not cured with a > simple azimn=uth adjustment. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >From: beaucooke at comcast.net > >Sent: May 28, 2008 5:15 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Rewind motor for 550 #3663104; recording heads for 600 > #3815104 > > > >Hi all, > > > >I'm on a strict budget, but would like to get my naks 550 and 600 working > again. What options are there for these parts? > > > >Thanks for any tips, > > > >Bob > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2008\2008-November.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From bagua_dao at yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 03:59:43 2008 From: bagua_dao at yahoo.com (ying yang) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sound goes off on both channels and comes back later on my Nak cassette deck Message-ID: <238446.63253.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>  Sound goes off on both channels and comes back later and softly but gradual increase in volume and I think if I remember well sometimes don't come back at all. My Nak 680ZX has this problem:   Sound dies in both channels sometimes for 3 to 5 minutes.   Usually sound volume dims before complete silence.   Happens mostly in middle of the spool sometimes at end or sometimes ate beginning.   Sound comes on when I prsss STOP and START    or  when I flip cassette over to the other side and press PLAY   It happens to almost all cassettes but sometimes it can play a side from beginning to end.   I have been advise it is the Idler Wheel Tire for which I have received the order and I am sending it for fixing and check-up.   May I have advice as to what other possibilties causes this to happen and need to correct so that I can let the repair technician to look into as Singapore is a desert for cassette decks and certainly none  for sale and used one are hard to come by even in flea markets and mostly not working.   Baguadao   email: baguadao at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Nov 1 04:26:25 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:26:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Grease & oil Message-ID: <17d5ee910810312026l2a55abfk5a2d56a0321a29a7@mail.gmail.com> I'm currently fixing someone's CR-3A, another dying reel motor case. The transport is disassembled currently, and the whole reel assembly as well, as I've just burnished the motor's commutators and leaf brushes. I noticed that some light oil (machine / sharpening kind) has been sprayed about everywhere, especially on the reel motor and the left hub surroundings. Having a bad experience with that kind of oil (doing more damage than good on worn permanently-lubricated sleeve bearings after a few weeks, for example) I thought I should clean this and put proper stuff instead. I have some 99.953% anhydrous isopropyl alcohol to clean it, but I don't know what I should put back afterwards. For the cam and reel motors, do I clean them with alcohol and put nothing back? Are there any risks of affecting the permanent lubrication? The CR-3 service manual lists a couple of different lubrication points, and lists some very specific, sometimes hard-to-find oils. Are there suitable substitutes? They list : -Anderol 456 diester bearing oil for the capstan shafts http://www.specialtyfluids.com/specialtyfluids/manufacturers/anderol/gearbearing.asp http://www.anderol.nl/pdf/pds/ANDEROL%20456.pdf -Mitsubishi Diamond EP-56 hydraulic fluid oil for the reel hub shafts: It's impossible to find, but has tons of equivalents available apparently : Page 15 : http://tspmakine.com/enjeksiyon/TR_UrunKilavuz.pdf MSDS : http://www.msdshazcom.com/MSDS/HMIS/004/BZPKM.HTM -Molykote X5-6020 mineral oil grease for the cam motor pulley, and "capstan thrust-portion" (What's that?): http://www.dowcorning.com/applications/search/products/Details.aspx?prod=01692518&type=PROD&country=GBR Not sold in North America. -Floil GB-TS-1 : Can't find info, but there should be other stuff available for a sliding metal/nylon part. ("Between reel hub assy and back tension spring") I currently have some Solder Seal Gunk Super Oil : http://www.gunk.com/prodinfo/L1004.PDF Little thicker than the machine and sharpening oils I have, and said as non-detergent. Probably safe, but not long-lasting. The LP Gear "Z-Black Oil" : http://www.lpgear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=LG&Product_Code=LPGZBEAROIL&Category_Code=PE and white lithium grease. Ideally, I'd like equivalents in containers of less than 4 gallons ;-) and ideally coming from easy-to-find brands. (GC Electronics, MG Chemicals, Asalco, anything from MCM Electronics, Caig, Solder Seal Gunk, Mobil, Castrol, Pennzoil. Cheers, Antoine From rstern753 at juno.com Sat Nov 1 04:33:10 2008 From: rstern753 at juno.com (rstern753 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:33:10 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Repair of CR-1A and Dragon Message-ID: <20081031.213310.23252.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> I've got 2 decks, a CR-1A and a Dragon. Neither is working. Is Jeff at ESL the best (only) place to get them repaired? He quoted me a price for his complete overhaul, and it's way more than I want to spend. I think he will do basic repair, but does anyone have experience with how long the wait for an estimate is? Is it even worth getting a CR-1A repaired? Or should I just by another basic deck off of ebay (CR-1A, BX-100, DR-3, etc)? If anyone cares what the behavior is, the CR-1A doesn't play or rewind or fast forward. The Dragon rewinds and fast forwards, but won't play (in either direction). Thoughts? Tips? Thanks so much for helping this naktalk newbie. Richard _____________________________________________________________ Plan ahead with a quick and convenient rental car. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifl2kIoPkj86mJzXlh0obqFvix8Mi56jhBoEkUMsKZ2UhOAI/?count=1234567890 From modernizy at netscape.net Sat Nov 1 09:26:32 2008 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:26:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Just found a Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracer Cassette Deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB0A12AC276AEF-1DC-2A81@webmail-dd09.sysops.aol.com> Hi, Ali, Wonderful machine! Its sounds is very much alike R2R one. All discrete design, soft but delicate and non-fatiguing sound, excellent robust mechanism (90 mm flywheels!). Some drawbacks are connected with the first design of the erase head (is not quite effective to erase modern chrome tapes - addressed in 700II version) and control logic - easy to go wild due to age of components. Also the problematic thing are the huge number of connectors between pcbs (lost contact) and pcbs to chassis?- could lead to some grounding problems resulting in audible AC hum. If you have Nak Marathon CD-I you could listen to Spyro Gyra track - it was recorded at 700TT (though some tweaking was made to the original deck). Nick. -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 6:11 pm Subject: [naktalk] Just found a Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracer Cassette Deck Hi Everyone,? Just found a Nakamichi Tri Tracer Cassette deck how does it compares with other Nak decks?!? What are the weak and strength of this cassette deck. I am going to turn it on for the first time later today hope it works! as cosmetic wise its in great shape!? Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Nov 1 13:20:57 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?windows-1252?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:20:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Repair of CR-1A and Dragon In-Reply-To: <20081031.213310.23252.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081031.213310.23252.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <490C49A9.5040308@yahoo.ca> The Dragon would be worth getting fixed, but any low-end Nakamichi decks you'll find on eBay will have a problem or more. You can fix these problems by yourself usually, and it's about the only solution when you don't have the money to get the decks fixed. Open the top cover, and on the motor perpendicular to the two others, the cam motor, try to move the worm gear while pressing play, fast forward, etc. If it works, then the motor needs to be rebuilt, and there's a guide here: http://www.vintagecassette.com/naksarticle.jsp?article=77171 If the heads go up and down when you press play, it could be the leaf switches next to the cam motor, or the reel motor. Tell us how the deck behaves with these guidelines, and we should be able to help further. Cheers, Antoine rstern753 at juno.com a écrit : > I've got 2 decks, a CR-1A and a Dragon. Neither is working. > > Is Jeff at ESL the best (only) place to get them repaired? > He quoted me a price for his complete overhaul, and it's way more than I want to spend. > > I think he will do basic repair, but does anyone have experience with how long the wait for an estimate is? > > Is it even worth getting a CR-1A repaired? Or should I just by another basic deck off of ebay (CR-1A, BX-100, DR-3, etc)? > > If anyone cares what the behavior is, the CR-1A doesn't play or rewind or fast forward. The Dragon rewinds and fast forwards, but won't play (in either direction). Thoughts? Tips? > > Thanks so much for helping this naktalk newbie. > > Richard From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Sat Nov 1 14:46:26 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:46:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Grease & oil References: <17d5ee910810312026l2a55abfk5a2d56a0321a29a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601c93c28$3c4ff040$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Antoine, The thrust portions of the capstan would be at the washer behind the flywheel and the thrust surface on the other exposed side of the flywheel. I'm not familiar with the CR decks but I imagine that this would be the same. My experience on re-lubricating impregnated bearings is that you need to use a thicker lube(grease) than you might think. Light oil simply runs out. I've been told by a machinist that an impregnated bearing will NOT allow oil to re-enter it's pores as one might think Keeping the lube in by using a light grease and even trying to seal the ends,(felt,plastic washers) so that dirt can't get in and the lube can't get out, is the way to go IMHO. For pivot points and linkages such Wynn's Extend makes a product called "Viscotene" which I find is absolutley tenatious(but messy) and very long lasting. (great on door hinges and locks as well.) Rainer S. P.S. thanks for posting those links on what you have come across ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antoine Deschênes" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] Grease & oil > I'm currently fixing someone's CR-3A, another dying reel motor case. > The transport is disassembled currently, and the whole reel assembly > as well, as I've just burnished the motor's commutators and leaf > brushes. I noticed that some light oil (machine / sharpening kind) has > been sprayed about everywhere, especially on the reel motor and the > left hub surroundings. > > Having a bad experience with that kind of oil (doing more damage than > good on worn permanently-lubricated sleeve bearings after a few weeks, > for example) I thought I should clean this and put proper stuff > instead. I have some 99.953% anhydrous isopropyl alcohol to clean it, > but I don't know what I should put back afterwards. > > For the cam and reel motors, do I clean them with alcohol and put > nothing back? Are there any risks of affecting the permanent > lubrication? > > The CR-3 service manual lists a couple of different lubrication > points, and lists some very specific, sometimes hard-to-find oils. Are > there suitable substitutes? They list : > > -Anderol 456 diester bearing oil for the capstan shafts > http://www.specialtyfluids.com/specialtyfluids/manufacturers/anderol/gearbearing.asp > http://www.anderol.nl/pdf/pds/ANDEROL%20456.pdf > > -Mitsubishi Diamond EP-56 hydraulic fluid oil for the reel hub shafts: > It's impossible to find, but has tons of equivalents available apparently > : > Page 15 : http://tspmakine.com/enjeksiyon/TR_UrunKilavuz.pdf > MSDS : http://www.msdshazcom.com/MSDS/HMIS/004/BZPKM.HTM > > -Molykote X5-6020 mineral oil grease for the cam motor pulley, and > "capstan thrust-portion" (What's that?): > http://www.dowcorning.com/applications/search/products/Details.aspx?prod=01692518&type=PROD&country=GBR > Not sold in North America. > > -Floil GB-TS-1 : Can't find info, but there should be other stuff > available for a sliding metal/nylon part. ("Between reel hub assy and > back tension spring") > > > I currently have some Solder Seal Gunk Super Oil : > http://www.gunk.com/prodinfo/L1004.PDF > Little thicker than the machine and sharpening oils I have, and said > as non-detergent. Probably safe, but not long-lasting. > > The LP Gear "Z-Black Oil" : > http://www.lpgear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=LG&Product_Code=LPGZBEAROIL&Category_Code=PE > > and white lithium grease. Ideally, I'd like equivalents in containers > of less than 4 gallons ;-) and ideally coming from easy-to-find > brands. (GC Electronics, MG Chemicals, Asalco, anything from MCM > Electronics, Caig, Solder Seal Gunk, Mobil, Castrol, Pennzoil. > > Cheers, > Antoine > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 15:06:42 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Repair of CR-1A and Dragon In-Reply-To: <20081031.213310.23252.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <970340.34175.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Richard, Jeff's repair is not really a repair. He does a complete overhaul of the deck to make it in hi words,"Better than new". He is very thorough and that costs big bucks, but is well worth it. Believe me the deck comes back in 2 months literally better than new. You may also go to Willy Herman in California for the Dragon as he is got a ton of experience with these machines too. Do not bother getting an overhaul of the Cr1, The Dragon will be well worth the money spent. Good luck. Ram --- On Fri, 10/31/08, rstern753 at juno.com wrote: From: rstern753 at juno.com Subject: [naktalk] Repair of CR-1A and Dragon To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 11:33 PM I've got 2 decks, a CR-1A and a Dragon. Neither is working. Is Jeff at ESL the best (only) place to get them repaired? He quoted me a price for his complete overhaul, and it's way more than I want to spend. I think he will do basic repair, but does anyone have experience with how long the wait for an estimate is? Is it even worth getting a CR-1A repaired? Or should I just by another basic deck off of ebay (CR-1A, BX-100, DR-3, etc)? If anyone cares what the behavior is, the CR-1A doesn't play or rewind or fast forward. The Dragon rewinds and fast forwards, but won't play (in either direction). Thoughts? Tips? Thanks so much for helping this naktalk newbie. Richard _____________________________________________________________ Plan ahead with a quick and convenient rental car. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifl2kIoPkj86mJzXlh0obqFvix8Mi56jhBoEkUMsKZ2UhOAI/?count=1234567890 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 15:11:08 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sound goes off on both channels and comes back later on my Nak cassette deck In-Reply-To: <238446.63253.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <363406.58533.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Try changing the cam belt first before sending the unit out. Also check and see if both the pinch rollers are engaging at the two capstans fully without a tape in. Ideally, the cam belt seems like the culprit here. Good luck. Ram --- On Fri, 10/31/08, ying yang wrote: From: ying yang Subject: [naktalk] Sound goes off on both channels and comes back later on my Nak cassette deck To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 10:59 PM Sound goes off on both channels and comes back later and softly but gradual increase in volume and I think if I remember well sometimes don't come back at all.   My Nak 680ZX has this problem:   Sound dies in both channels sometimes for 3 to 5 minutes.   Usually sound volume dims before complete silence.   Happens mostly in middle of the spool sometimes at end or sometimes ate beginning.   Sound comes on when I prsss STOP and START    or  when I flip cassette over to the other side and press PLAY   It happens to almost all cassettes but sometimes it can play a side from beginning to end.   I have been advise it is the Idler Wheel Tire for which I have received the order and I am sending it for fixing and check-up.   May I have advice as to what other possibilties causes this to happen and need to correct so that I can let the repair technician to look into as Singapore is a desert for cassette decks and certainly none  for sale and used one are hard to come by even in flea markets and mostly not working.   Baguadao   email: baguadao at yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Sat Nov 1 16:09:47 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:09:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Repair of CR-1A and Dragon In-Reply-To: <20081031.213310.23252.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Hi Richard, Jeff and crew overhauled 2 decks for me and I am very happy with the work. They also are great at customer service and take time to answer questions after you get the deck back. Also, the 2 year warranty is nice. ESL might not be the only place as there are other techs here on the forum and elsewhere if you really look. I personally wouldn't spend a whole bunch of money fixing a CR-1A because I'd rather spend the money on a higher quality deck. If you pick up a deck off ebay, the chance is high that it will need to be overhauled no matter what the seller claims the condition to be. Plus many these decks are like 20+ years. I can repair the electronics of these decks but the mechanical side requires way too many impossible to get gauges and tools and parts. My opinion, of course. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of rstern753 at juno.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Repair of CR-1A and Dragon I've got 2 decks, a CR-1A and a Dragon. Neither is working. Is Jeff at ESL the best (only) place to get them repaired? He quoted me a price for his complete overhaul, and it's way more than I want to spend. I think he will do basic repair, but does anyone have experience with how long the wait for an estimate is? Is it even worth getting a CR-1A repaired? Or should I just by another basic deck off of ebay (CR-1A, BX-100, DR-3, etc)? If anyone cares what the behavior is, the CR-1A doesn't play or rewind or fast forward. The Dragon rewinds and fast forwards, but won't play (in either direction). Thoughts? Tips? Thanks so much for helping this naktalk newbie. Richard _____________________________________________________________ Plan ahead with a quick and convenient rental car. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifl2kIoPkj86mJzXlh0obqFvix 8Mi56jhBoEkUMsKZ2UhOAI/?count=1234567890 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 16:46:22 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk]Re: Repair of CR-1A and Dragon In-Reply-To: <200811011100.mA1B0W0v024156@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <512510.78820.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hey Richard, Three guys right on this board that can't be beat: Willy Hermann, Andy Pena and Tom Brucker. I'll let Tom speak for himself, but he's usually buried with work and a slower turnaround. And yes, Jeff at ESL will be the most expensive by far-no faulting his work though. Kevin Message: 21 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:33:10 GMT From: "rstern753 at juno.com" Subject: [naktalk] Repair of CR-1A and Dragon To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <20081031.213310.23252.1 at webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I've got 2 decks, a CR-1A and a Dragon. Neither is working. Is Jeff at ESL the best (only) place to get them repaired? He quoted me a price for his complete overhaul, and it's way more than I want to spend. I think he will do basic repair, but does anyone have experience with how long the wait for an estimate is? Is it even worth getting a CR-1A repaired? Or should I just by another basic deck off of ebay (CR-1A, BX-100, DR-3, etc)? If anyone cares what the behavior is, the CR-1A doesn't play or rewind or fast forward. The Dragon rewinds and fast forwards, but won't play (in either direction). Thoughts? Tips? Thanks so much for helping this naktalk newbie. Richard From west at netgate.net Sat Nov 1 17:21:00 2008 From: west at netgate.net (Don West) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:21:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A lamp Message-ID: <001a01c93c3d$d52ede60$4c5bf842@borgcollective> As Tom was kind enough to write... ************************ The answer is not easy, since the lamp appears to be missing from the service manual. It is PL601. It is 12 volts. It is connected to the capstan motor pcb, so it has wire leads. I would use no more than 70 ma. I hope this helps. tom brucker ************************ If I could see the dimensions of the lamp (without doing any pre-surgery again on my deck), it would help. I know of sources for small lamps, but need to see it. Jeff at ESL confirmed it's a soldered on bare wires lamp that he has. Had I known about the lamp when I ordered the reel motor I could have made it affordable. Unfortunately he needs to charge nearly $15 in shipping for a $3 lamp. I suspect I could find something locally. It's not that important a thing, but at some point it would be nice to make it work again. Thanks, all! From willyherm at gmail.com Sat Nov 1 18:18:04 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:18:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Repair of CR-1A and Dragon In-Reply-To: <20081031.213310.23252.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <490c8edf.18068e0a.7573.6230@mx.google.com> Richard - I can handle both machines and most have thought my rates are reasonable. I also have a very short turnaround period. Contact me off the forum if you want to pursue this. Willy Hermann -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of rstern753 at juno.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 7:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Repair of CR-1A and Dragon I've got 2 decks, a CR-1A and a Dragon. Neither is working. Is Jeff at ESL the best (only) place to get them repaired? He quoted me a price for his complete overhaul, and it's way more than I want to spend. I think he will do basic repair, but does anyone have experience with how long the wait for an estimate is? Is it even worth getting a CR-1A repaired? Or should I just by another basic deck off of ebay (CR-1A, BX-100, DR-3, etc)? If anyone cares what the behavior is, the CR-1A doesn't play or rewind or fast forward. The Dragon rewinds and fast forwards, but won't play (in either direction). Thoughts? Tips? Thanks so much for helping this naktalk newbie. Richard _____________________________________________________________ Plan ahead with a quick and convenient rental car. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifl2kIoPkj86mJzXlh0obqFvix 8Mi56jhBoEkUMsKZ2UhOAI/?count=1234567890 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Nov 1 21:58:53 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:58:53 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 donation Message-ID: <9028.62.194.57.217.1225573133.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Which Naktalker lives near Salem Oregon 97301 and is interested in a donated Cassette Deck 1 that is in need of repair? contact me directly if you're interested. Wouter From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sun Nov 2 02:22:34 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:22:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk]Re: Repair of CR-1A and Dragon In-Reply-To: <512510.78820.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <200811011100.mA1B0W0v024156@zxe.naks.com> <512510.78820.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <110220080122.10220.490D00D9000D11D2000027EC22230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Ditto. I got my Dragon back from Willy who did excellent repair and mindfull of my blue collar wages. -------------- Original message from Kevin Fetner : -------------- > Hey Richard, Three guys right on this board that can't be beat: Willy Hermann, Andy Pena and > Tom Brucker. > I'll let Tom speak for himself, but he's usually buried with work and a slower turnaround. And yes, Jeff at ESL will be the most expensive by far-no faulting his > work though. > > Kevin > > Message: 21 > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:33:10 GMT > From: "rstern753 at juno.com" > Subject: [naktalk] Repair of CR-1A and Dragon > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: <20081031.213310.23252.1 at webmail21.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I've got 2 decks, a CR-1A and a Dragon. Neither is working. > > Is Jeff at ESL the best (only) place to get them repaired? He quoted me a price for his complete overhaul, and it's way more than I want to > spend. > I think he will do basic repair, but does anyone have experience with how long > the wait for an estimate is? > Is it even worth getting a CR-1A repaired? Or should I just by another basic > deck off of ebay (CR-1A, BX-100, DR-3, etc)? > > If anyone cares what the behavior is, the CR-1A doesn't play or rewind or fast > forward. The Dragon rewinds and fast forwards, but won't play (in either > direction). 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URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sun Nov 2 02:41:42 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:41:42 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Just found a Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracer Cassette Deck In-Reply-To: <8CB0A12AC276AEF-1DC-2A81@webmail-dd09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB0A12AC276AEF-1DC-2A81@webmail-dd09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <110220080141.26260.490D0556000278AC0000669422230647629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> The Tritracers & 700II IMHO could be the proverbial sleepers/best kept NAK secrets. The mariage of old and new world technologies married the best of both worlds Touches like real veneered plywood cases, discrete components, smooooth sound exemplified the spirit of the brand. -------------- Original message from Nick : -------------- Hi, Ali, Wonderful machine! Its sounds is very much alike R2R one. All discrete design, soft but delicate and non-fatiguing sound, excellent robust mechanism (90 mm flywheels!). Some drawbacks are connected with the first design of the erase head (is not quite effective to erase modern chrome tapes - addressed in 700II version) and control logic - easy to go wild due to age of components. Also the problematic thing are the huge number of connectors between pcbs (lost contact) and pcbs to chassis - could lead to some grounding problems resulting in audible AC hum. If you have Nak Marathon CD-I you could listen to Spyro Gyra track - it was recorded at 700TT (though some tweaking was made to the original deck). Nick. -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 6:11 pm Subject: [naktalk] Just found a Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracer Cassette Deck Hi Everyone, Just found a Nakamichi Tri Tracer Cassette deck how does it compares with other Nak decks?! What are the weak and strength of this cassette deck. I am going to turn it on for the first time later today hope it works! as cosmetic wise its in great shape! Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= McCain or Obama? Stay up to date on the latest from the campaign trail with AOL News. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 2 06:06:19 2008 From: vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com (Vijay Bagaria) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:36:19 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <994733.54731.qm@web94903.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Respected sir / madam, I am owning NAKAMICHI CR – 5 cassette deck. Since last 6 months , I am getting an unusual problem as mentioned : 1. when I switch on the deck and play it, the head cam mechanism gets up and down for several times and it doesn’t lock in play position and finally deck comes to stop position. 2. this happens only for first 10 minuets. After warming up the deck for 10 minuets, there is no problem. 3. fade up button indicator on right side remains always on. Pl. guide me to fix this problem, or provide links or sources to fix this. I am also looking for service manual 0f NAKAMICHI CR – 5 cassette deck. Thanks, Vijay bagaria, Mumbai, India. E mail id : vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ From tilomagnet at web.de Sun Nov 2 13:19:30 2008 From: tilomagnet at web.de (joachim hetzer) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:19:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon for sale in Europe Message-ID: <1940094390@web.de> I'm selling my Nak Dragon in very good cosmetic condition. Fully serviced this year: Cleaning, lubrication, re-calibration, idler and cam-belt replaced. Only flaw: The counter is not working properly. Otherwise perfectly working condition. Pics available upon request. Located in Germany, asking 670 Euro plus shipping. ____________________________________________________________________ er WEB.DE SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! http://smartsurfer.web.de/?mc=100071&distributionid=000000000066 From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Nov 2 16:40:33 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 07:40:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:Repair of CR-1A and Dragon In-Reply-To: <200811021102.mA2B1Eja026677@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <301456.27065.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Unless you have the RARE opportunity to deal (on ebay) with someone 'respectable' and 'truthful', consider the Nak decks there as DONOR decks. And as such, try to win with the lowest bid possible. My "working perfectly" RX-505 deck from ebay probably hadn't run in ten yrs, was mechanically frozen with old grease and that's just one of many horror stories. Believe the stories.....and Jeff at ESL has seen them all come into his shop (from ebay). Kevin Message: 5 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:09:47 -0400 From: "Gene Ess" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Repair of CR-1A and Dragon To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Hi Richard, Jeff and crew overhauled 2 decks for me and I am very happy with the work. They also are great at customer service and take time to answer questions after you get the deck back. Also, the 2 year warranty is nice. ESL might not be the only place as there are other techs here on the forum and elsewhere if you really look. I personally wouldn't spend a whole bunch of money fixing a CR-1A because I'd rather spend the money on a higher quality deck. If you pick up a deck off ebay, the chance is high that it will need to be overhauled no matter what the seller claims the condition to be. Plus many these decks are like 20+ years. I can repair the electronics of these decks but the mechanical side requires way too many impossible to get gauges and tools and parts. My opinion, of course. Gene From raydium at verizon.net Mon Nov 3 00:10:59 2008 From: raydium at verizon.net (ray moore) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:10:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Just listed my CR-7A on Ebay if anyone is interested! More info in post Message-ID: <000901c93d40$45256650$2f01a8c0@xp2006> I just listed my Nakamichi CR-7A on Ebay today starting at $200 with NO RESERVE if anyone is interested. I am the original owner and have not used it in recent years and want to sell it to someone that will use and enjoy it. I have no remote with it and I have the owner's manual in a PDF format only. The deck works and is in GREAT condition. People on this forum have helped me with a few questions on checking it out and verifying the Idler pulley etc so I just wanted to let everyone that it's up for grabs. Here is the link http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-7A-Discrete-Head-Cassette-Deck_W0QQitemZ260 309674630QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item260309674630 &_trkparms=72%3A1208%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286. c0.m14 Thanks Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 3 03:11:14 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:11:14 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Sound goes off on both channels and comes back later on my Nak cassette deck Message-ID: <2249173.1225678274335.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 3 03:44:48 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:44:48 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Repair of CR-1A and Dragon Message-ID: <3538563.1225680288488.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Richard, Your CR1 has a stalled cam motor. There are links through Naks.com that show how easy it is to clean the motor's brushes. Your Dragon has two possible problems. Either the DD capstan motor drive board has shorted drive transistors, or the pinch roller pivots are both frozen in place. Either problem is best handled by a NakTalk servicer. As Kevin posted there are a few alternatives to ESL. I can do it but I am 6 months behind at least. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: "rstern753 at juno.com" >Sent: Oct 31, 2008 9:33 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Repair of CR-1A and Dragon > >I've got 2 decks, a CR-1A and a Dragon. Neither is working. > >Is Jeff at ESL the best (only) place to get them repaired? >He quoted me a price for his complete overhaul, and it's way more than I want to spend. > >I think he will do basic repair, but does anyone have experience with how long the wait for an estimate is? > >Is it even worth getting a CR-1A repaired? Or should I just by another basic deck off of ebay (CR-1A, BX-100, DR-3, etc)? > >If anyone cares what the behavior is, the CR-1A doesn't play or rewind or fast forward. The Dragon rewinds and fast forwards, but won't play (in either direction). Thoughts? Tips? > >Thanks so much for helping this naktalk newbie. > >Richard >_____________________________________________________________ >Plan ahead with a quick and convenient rental car. Click now. >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifl2kIoPkj86mJzXlh0obqFvix8Mi56jhBoEkUMsKZ2UhOAI/?count=1234567890 > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From BOEING747600 at aol.com Mon Nov 3 05:33:48 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:33:48 EST Subject: [naktalk] Just found a Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracer Cassette Deck truly! AWESOME!! Message-ID: Hi Nick and Dino, Thanks for your insight in this great Nakamichi 700 tape deck, I have to agree with both of you its a fantastic machine! and its probably got the finest tape transport that I have ever seen in a nakamichi including that on the Nak 1000ZXL whose transport is almost the same as that found on cheap Nakamichi 2 head tape deck. The 700 makes recording that blew me away! What is the reason behind the sideways vertical loading of the tape , there must have been a good reason to design this tape deck this way! Also does anyone of you have the specifications of this tape deck they can send me in email it will be much appreciated as would be the operator's manual. Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali In a message dated 11/2/2008 8:21:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ddino77 at bellsouth.net writes: The Tritracers & 700II IMHO could be the proverbial sleepers/best kept NAK secrets. The mariage of old and new world technologies married the best of both worlds Touches like real veneered plywood cases, discrete components, smooooth sound exemplified the spirit of the brand. -------------- Original message from Nick : -------------- Hi, Wonderful machine! Its sounds is very much alike R2R one. All discrete design, soft but delicate and non-fatiguing sound, excellent robust mechanism (90 mm flywheels!). Some drawbacks are connected with the first design of the erase head (is not quite effective to erase modern chrome tapes - addressed in 700II version) and control logic - easy to go wild due to age of components. Also the problematic thing are the huge number of connectors between pcbs (lost contact) and pcbs to chassis - could lead to some grounding problems resulting in audible AC hum. If you have Nak Marathon CD-I you could listen to Spyro Gyra track - it was recorded at 700TT (though some tweaking was made to the original deck). Nick. -----Original Message----- From: BOEING747600 at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 6:11 pm Subject: [naktalk] Just found a Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracer Cassette Deck Hi Everyone, Just found a Nakamichi Tri Tracer Cassette deck how does it compares with other Nak decks?! What are the weak and strength of this cassette deck. I am going to turn it on for the first time later today hope it works! as cosmetic wise its in great shape! Thanks! With Best Regards! 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URL: From rstern753 at juno.com Mon Nov 3 20:32:51 2008 From: rstern753 at juno.com (rstern753 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:32:51 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Link to cleaning CR-1A motor brushes Message-ID: <20081103.123251.11681.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Tom said: "Your CR1 has a stalled cam motor. There are links through Naks.com that show how easy it is to clean the motor's brushes." Could someone please point me to the link? I'm having no luck searching the naks.com site. Thanks, Richard _____________________________________________________________ Click for free information on accounting careers, $150 hour potential. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieWhxakcyYtxDaTmBwsfgNcrgYMzMNyLP02Zz2B9ETvlD2pa/?count=1234567890 From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Nov 3 22:15:03 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:15:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A lamp In-Reply-To: <001a01c93c3d$d52ede60$4c5bf842@borgcollective> References: <001a01c93c3d$d52ede60$4c5bf842@borgcollective> Message-ID: <490F69D7.8020505@verizon.net> Don West wrote: > As Tom was kind enough to write... > > ************************ > The answer is not easy, since the lamp appears to be missing from the > service manual. It is PL601. It is 12 volts. It is connected to the capstan > motor pcb, so it has wire leads. I would use no more than 70 ma. I hope this > helps. > tom brucker > ************************ > If I could see the dimensions of the lamp (without doing any pre-surgery > again on my deck), it would help. I know of sources for small lamps, but > need to see it. Jeff at ESL confirmed it's a soldered on bare wires lamp > that he has. Had I known about the lamp when I ordered the reel motor I > could have made it affordable. Unfortunately he needs to charge nearly $15 > in shipping for a $3 lamp. I suspect I could find something locally. It's > not that important a thing, but at some point it would be nice to make it > work again. Thanks, all Don, I was swamped for a couple of days. Just peeked at the NakTalk folder.and was amazed to see over 50 posts... Wow... As to the lamp, I find it extremely useful; wouldn't be without it. Previous replacement on my CR-7 was, almost to the day, 8 years ago. It has just died -- I suspect it was on it's last leg and the movement and vibration while I recently played around with the deck caused the old fragile filament to break. As already stated, the lamp is 12V, 3mm diameter, with attached insulated leads, current unknown. I see Kannan recommends no more than 75mA. That's 0.9W dissipated right next to a playing cassette, so personallypersobally 35 or 40mA, even though light output may be lower. The original lamp is unobtainable, except perhaps from ESL. However, there are two choices that I know of (probably, many others that I don't). Philmore P/N 480 is a 12V/75mA lamp with 9" leads That will fit nicely. Also, All Electronics (www.allelectronics.com) sells a 14V/45mA (that draws about 20mA with 12V), with leads long enough for the job. Their P/N is PL-6 and it's ridiculously cheap. Light output at 12V is noticeably lower than the original, but I find it quite adequate and life expectancy (with 12V) is be extremely high. There are two tricks to the replacement that you may wish to consider. First, the leads are threaded through a tiny hole in the transport base. If you pull them out, you'll have a heck of a time threading the new lamp leads back in -- it's doable, but time consuming. To save time, I free the lamp from the holder, unsolder the leads from the DD motor board, then solder one of the leads to a piece of 26AWG wire. I then gingerly pull on that lamp lead while ensuring that the 26AWG wire follows. If the connection falls apart, the other lamp lead is still available for trying it again. The 26AWG wire may then be used to pull the new lamp leads through. Second hint: the green plastic hood sitting on the lamp can be easily destroyed during removal. I find that wetting it (on the inside) while slowly peeling (rather than sliding) it back, greatly reduces the risk. Good luck, -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Nov 3 22:57:46 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:57:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <994733.54731.qm@web94903.mail.in2.yahoo.com> References: <994733.54731.qm@web94903.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <490F73DA.8010903@verizon.net> Vijay Bagaria wrote: > Respected sir / madam, > > I am owning NAKAMICHI CR – 5 cassette deck. Since last 6 months , I am getting an unusual problem as mentioned : > > 1. when I switch on the deck and play it, the head cam mechanism gets up and down for several times and it doesn’t lock in play position and finally deck comes to stop position. > 2. this happens only for first 10 minuets. After warming up the deck for 10 minuets, there is no problem. > This could be caused by any of several faults, the most common of which are the control motor, its associated leaf contacts, the rubber idler (if so equipped) and the reel motor. Less likely (but possible) is a fault in the control electronics. > 3. fade up button indicator on right side remains always on. This is as it should be. -- Ron > Pl. guide me to fix this problem, or provide links or sources to fix this. > I am also looking for service manual 0f NAKAMICHI CR – 5 cassette deck. > Thanks, > Vijay bagaria, Mumbai, India. > > E mail id : vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ > > > From boeing747600 at aol.com Mon Nov 3 23:56:33 2008 From: boeing747600 at aol.com (boeing747600 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:56:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A lamp In-Reply-To: <490F69D7.8020505@verizon.net> References: <001a01c93c3d$d52ede60$4c5bf842@borgcollective> <490F69D7.8020505@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8CB0C1E8CFEE496-72C-F14@Webmail-mg01.sim.aol.com> Hi? Don, I once found a minature 12 v light bulb with bare leads at Radio Shack you might want to? go and have a look there. Thanks!? Ali -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 4:15 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A lamp Don West wrote: As Tom was kind enough to write... ************************ The answer is not easy, since the lamp appears to be missing from the service manual. It is PL601. It is 12 volts. It is connected to the capstan motor pcb, so it has wire leads. I would use no more than 70 ma. I hope this helps. tom brucker ************************ If I could see the dimensions of the lamp (without doing any pre-surgery again on my deck), it would help. I know of sources for small lamps, but need to see it. Jeff at ESL confirmed it's a soldered on bare wires lamp that he has. Had I known about the lamp when I ordered the reel motor I could have made it affordable. Unfortunately he needs to charge nearly $15 in shipping for a $3 lamp. I suspect I could find something locally. It's not that important a thing, but at some point it would be nice to make it work again. Thanks, all Don, I was swamped for a couple of days. Just peeked at the NakTalk folder.and was amazed to see over 50 posts... Wow... As to the lamp, I find it extremely useful; wouldn't be without it. Previous replacement on my CR-7 was, almost to the day, 8 years ago. It has just died -- I suspect it was on it's last leg and the movement and vibration while I recently played around with the deck caused the old fragile filament to break. As already stated, the lamp is 12V, 3mm diameter, with attached insulated leads, current unknown. I see Kannan recommends no more than 75mA. That's 0.9W dissipated right next to a playing cassette, so personallypersobally 35 or 40mA, even though light output may be lower. The original lamp is unobtainable, except perhaps from ESL. However, there are two choices that I know of (probably, many others that I don't). Philmore P/N 480 is a 12V/75mA lamp with 9" leads That will fit nicely. Also, All Electronics (www.allelectronics.com) sells a 14V/45mA (that draws about 20mA with 12V), with leads long enough for the job. Their P/N is PL-6 and it's ridiculously cheap. Light output at 12V is noticeably lower than the original, but I find it quite adequate and life expectancy (with 12V) is be extremely high. There are two tricks to the replacement that you may wish to consider. First, the leads are threaded through a tiny hole in the transport base. If you pull them out, you'll have a heck of a time threading the new lamp leads back in -- it's doable, but time consuming. To save time, I free the lamp from the holder, unsolder the leads from the DD motor board, then solder one of the leads to a piece of? 26AWG wire. I then gingerly pull on that lamp lead while ensuring that the 26AWG wire follows. If the connection falls apart, the other lamp lead is still available for trying it again. The 26AWG wire may then be used to pull the new lamp leads through. Second hint: the green plastic hood sitting on the lamp can be easily destroyed during removal. I find that wetting it (on the inside) while slowly peeling (rather than sliding) it back, greatly reduces the risk. Good luck, -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Nov 4 01:43:29 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:43:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Link to cleaning CR-1A motor brushes In-Reply-To: <20081103.123251.11681.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081103.123251.11681.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910811031643q619ff8b9s39e91f1200f9bffa@mail.gmail.com> It's in http://naks.com/wiki , Technical Articles. The wiki link isn't on the Naks.com homepage. Antoine 2008/11/3 rstern753 at juno.com : > Tom said: "Your CR1 has a stalled cam motor. There are links through Naks.com that show how easy it is to clean the motor's brushes." > > Could someone please point me to the link? I'm having no luck searching the naks.com site. > > Thanks, > Richard From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Nov 4 01:54:48 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:54:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A lamp In-Reply-To: <490F69D7.8020505@verizon.net> References: <001a01c93c3d$d52ede60$4c5bf842@borgcollective> <490F69D7.8020505@verizon.net> Message-ID: <17d5ee910811031654h7002ad33t70b7eeacbf048366@mail.gmail.com> 12V, 3mm, ~75mA, sounds like the found-in-lots-of-made-in-Japan-stuff Chicago "7219" T1-type bulb to me. See CM7219 http://www.cml-it.com/pdf/2-33.pdf There's the longer-lasting, lower output CM23 that could be interesting, but at the same time, the 7219 can be found at RadioShack (cat no. 272-1092) Searching for 272-1092 or "7219 bulb" will show how common this thing is. 2008/11/3 Ron : > Don West wrote: > > As Tom was kind enough to write... > > ************************ > The answer is not easy, since the lamp appears to be missing from the > service manual. It is PL601. It is 12 volts. It is connected to the capstan > motor pcb, so it has wire leads. I would use no more than 70 ma. I hope this > helps. > tom brucker > ************************ > If I could see the dimensions of the lamp (without doing any pre-surgery > again on my deck), it would help. I know of sources for small lamps, but > need to see it. Jeff at ESL confirmed it's a soldered on bare wires lamp > that he has. Had I known about the lamp when I ordered the reel motor I > could have made it affordable. Unfortunately he needs to charge nearly $15 > in shipping for a $3 lamp. I suspect I could find something locally. It's > not that important a thing, but at some point it would be nice to make it > work again. Thanks, all > > Don, > > I was swamped for a couple of days. Just peeked at > the NakTalk folder.and was amazed to see over 50 > posts... Wow... > > As to the lamp, I find it extremely useful; wouldn't be > without it. Previous replacement on my CR-7 was, > almost to the day, 8 years ago. It has just died -- I > suspect it was on it's last leg and the movement and > vibration while I recently played around with the > deck caused the old fragile filament to break. > > As already stated, the lamp is 12V, 3mm diameter, > with attached insulated leads, current unknown. I see > Kannan recommends no more than 75mA. That's > 0.9W dissipated right next to a playing cassette, so > personallypersobally 35 or 40mA, even though light > output may be lower. > > The original lamp is unobtainable, except perhaps from > ESL. However, there are two choices that I know of > (probably, many others that I don't). Philmore P/N 480 > is a 12V/75mA lamp with 9" leads That will fit nicely. > Also, All Electronics (www.allelectronics.com) sells a > 14V/45mA (that draws about 20mA with 12V), with > leads long enough for the job. Their P/N is PL-6 and it's > ridiculously cheap. Light output at 12V is noticeably > lower than the original, but I find it quite adequate and > life expectancy (with 12V) is be extremely high. > > There are two tricks to the replacement that you may > wish to consider. First, the leads are threaded through a > tiny hole in the transport base. If you pull them out, you'll > have a heck of a time threading the new lamp leads back > in -- it's doable, but time consuming. > > To save time, I free the lamp from the holder, unsolder > the leads from the DD motor board, then solder one of > the leads to a piece of 26AWG wire. I then gingerly pull > on that lamp lead while ensuring that the 26AWG wire > follows. If the connection falls apart, the other lamp lead > is still available for trying it again. The 26AWG wire may > then be used to pull the new lamp leads through. > > Second hint: the green plastic hood sitting on the lamp can > be easily destroyed during removal. I find that wetting it > (on the inside) while slowly peeling (rather than sliding) it > back, greatly reduces the risk. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From vladosub at techno-link.com Tue Nov 4 08:54:02 2008 From: vladosub at techno-link.com (Vladimir Stankov) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:54:02 +0200 (FLE Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Just listed my CR-7A on Ebay if anyone is interested!More info in post References: <000901c93d40$45256650$2f01a8c0@xp2006> Message-ID: <490FFF99.000003.09312@V-LOF9K8CYGGF41> Hi Ray, I'm a CR-4E owner - also bought in late 80's - exactly 1988 ! I really would like to have a CR -7A , but cannot go higher than 300 US $, as I have a little baby and my budget is very "tight" ! I placed a bid of 290 $, but I think I'll be soon outbidded ?? Please tell me what you mean by " NO RESERVE " ? Thanks Vladimir -------Original Message------- From: ray moore Date: 03.11.2008 г. 10:21:16 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Just listed my CR-7A on Ebay if anyone is interested!More info in post I just listed my Nakamichi CR-7A on Ebay today starting at $200 with NO RESERVE if anyone is interested. I am the original owner and have not used it in recent years and want to sell it to someone that will use and enjoy it I have no remote with it and I have the owner’s manual in a PDF format only The deck works and is in GREAT condition. People on this forum have helped me with a few questions on checking it out and verifying the Idler pulley etc so I just wanted to let everyone that it’s up for grabs. Here is the link http://cgi.ebay com/Nakamichi-CR-7A-Discrete-Head-Cassette-Deck_W0QQitemZ260309674630QQcmdZVi wItem?hash=item260309674630&_trkparms=72%3A1208%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7 240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Thanks Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: imstp_animation_butterflies_en_020908.gif Type: image/gif Size: 31851 bytes Desc: not available URL: From modernizy at netscape.net Tue Nov 4 09:18:24 2008 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:18:24 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] 1000II service information request References: <001a01c93c3d$d52ede60$4c5bf842@borgcollective><490F69D7.8020505@verizon.net> <17d5ee910811031654h7002ad33t70b7eeacbf048366@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a801c93e55$eb8230d0$7548fea9@fwamd> Dear Nakkers, Friendly call to anyone who has access to 1000II service manual. Could you please help me with Nak 1000II service information - I need the description of L103/203 and L104/204 functions and adjustment procedures. Thank you very much in advance. With the very best wishes, Nick. From brannigan_tom at yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 10:56:30 2008 From: brannigan_tom at yahoo.com (TOM BRANNIGAN) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:56:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Acquisition Message-ID: <434623.33393.qm@web58103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Greetings, I've just joined the group......so Hello one and all. I've been taping like nuts lately with my trusty BX 125. I'm keeping things analogue when recording my vinyl to tape and not to CDR. The 125 I've had since purchasing it new in 1987. Had ESLabs revamp the machine in 2000. today I purchased a BX 300. It looks to be in good condition and I'm really interested in how the three heads will affect recording and playback. I just hope it lasts a while. I'd eventually  like to send it off to ESLabs.......but I'm broke presently. My primary source is a Nottingham TT/Graham 2.2/IC-70 shotgun phono cables/ Urishi Koetsu/Benz Ruby II/ Shelter 5000/ Helikon Mono LOMC cartridges.  All of the music coming out of 2A3 Flea-powered SETs.....all 3 watts!! Just wanted to say Hi Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raydium at verizon.net Tue Nov 4 12:41:08 2008 From: raydium at verizon.net (ray moore) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:41:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Just listed my CR-7A on Ebay if anyone isinterested!More info in post In-Reply-To: <490FFF99.000003.09312@V-LOF9K8CYGGF41> Message-ID: <000f01c93e72$3b43c220$2f01a8c0@xp2006> Hi Vladimir. Good luck on the bidding. No Reserve means that I do not have a hidden minimum price that someone has to pass before I will sell the item. In other words I could start the auction off at $200 but have a hidden reserve of $400. People could bid but it would say "reserve not met" until some passed the hidden price. In my auction whoever bids the highest wins. Thanks Ray _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Vladimir Stankov Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:54 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just listed my CR-7A on Ebay if anyone isinterested!More info in post Hi Ray, I'm a CR-4E owner - also bought in late 80's - exactly 1988 ! I really would like to have a CR -7A , but cannot go higher than 300 US $, as I have a little baby and my budget is very "tight" ! I placed a bid of 290 $, but I think I'll be soon outbidded ?? Please tell me what you mean by " NO RESERVE " ? Thanks Vladimir -------Original Message------- From: ray moore Date: 03.11.2008 г. 10:21:16 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Just listed my CR-7A on Ebay if anyone is interested!More info in post I just listed my Nakamichi CR-7A on Ebay today starting at $200 with NO RESERVE if anyone is interested. I am the original owner and have not used it in recent years and want to sell it to someone that will use and enjoy it. I have no remote with it and I have the owner's manual in a PDF format only. The deck works and is in GREAT condition. People on this forum have helped me with a few questions on checking it out and verifying the Idler pulley etc so I just wanted to let everyone that it's up for grabs. Here is the link http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-7A-Discrete-Head-Cassette-Deck_W0QQitemZ260 309674630QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item260309674630 &_trkparms=72%3A1208%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286. c0.m14 Thanks Ray FREE Animations for your email - by IncrediMail! Click Here! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 31851 bytes Desc: not available URL: From badanth at aim.com Tue Nov 4 13:54:21 2008 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:54:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Acquisition In-Reply-To: <434623.33393.qm@web58103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <434623.33393.qm@web58103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB0C939778D366-628-2E02@FWM-M11.sysops.aol.com> Welcome to the wonderful world of Naks! That BX300 will keep you very happy I'm sure and you'll get loads of help maintaining it here. Enjoy, Anthony -----Original Message----- From: TOM BRANNIGAN To: Naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 4:56 am Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Acquisition Greetings, I've just joined the group......so Hello one and all. I've been taping like nuts lately with my trusty BX 125. I'm keeping things analogue when recording my vinyl to tape and not to CDR. The 125 I've had since purchasing it new in 1987. Had ESLabs revamp the machine in 2000. today I purchased a BX 300. It looks to be in good condition and I'm really interested in how the three heads will affect recording and playback. I just hope it lasts a while. I'd eventually? like to send it off to ESLabs.......but I'm broke presently. My primary source is a Nottingham TT/Graham 2.2/IC-70 shotgun phono cables/ Urishi Koetsu/Benz Ruby II/ Shelter 5000/ Helikon Mono LOMC cartridges.? All of the music coming out of 2A3 Flea-powered SETs.....all 3 watts!! Just wanted to say Hi Tom ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 14:15:50 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:15:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Just listed my CR-7A on Ebay if anyone isinterested!More info in post In-Reply-To: <490FFF99.000003.09312@V-LOF9K8CYGGF41> References: <000901c93d40$45256650$2f01a8c0@xp2006> <490FFF99.000003.09312@V-LOF9K8CYGGF41> Message-ID: <4922D3332FEA4CE9B0F92331015A8E2C@geoffprimary> "No reserve" means that the item will sell no matter how low the highest bid is. You can also set a "reserve" which means that unless the bids reach a minimum amount the seller is not obligated to sell the item when the auction ends. So if you set a reserve of $500 and the auction ends at $499, the seller is free to not sell the item. Without a reserve, the seller would be obligated to sell the item even if the winning bid is $1. It's very unlikely that you'll win a CR-7A in good cosmetic and/or working condition for $290. I sold my CR-7A on Audiogon for my asking price of $875 in less than 24 hours last week. It was an 8/10 (borderline 9/10) on the Audiogon rating scale and had no functional problems that I was aware of. I've seen CR-7A's go for over $1000 and I suspect I could have gotten more than I got, but I'm happy with what I got for it, feel that my asking price was more realistic, and it appears to have found a good home. Good luck to you in your search though. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ----- Original Message ----- From: Vladimir Stankov To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just listed my CR-7A on Ebay if anyone isinterested!More info in post Hi Ray, I'm a CR-4E owner - also bought in late 80's - exactly 1988 ! I really would like to have a CR -7A , but cannot go higher than 300 US $, as I have a little baby and my budget is very "tight" ! I placed a bid of 290 $, but I think I'll be soon outbidded ?? 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That usually defeats the liars and posers famous with ebay, although it does not exonerate any seller because there's always the risk of lack of disclosure. Last year, I picked up a Tandberg R2R right before Xmas, for example, at a outstanding value, but I had been watching the ebay site for almost two yrs. Physically, it was a 9.5 of better, but it still cost me over $500 to have a real Tandberg tech go through it, lube it and modernize some of the circuits. I wasn't so lucky with the RX-505 that I picked up cheap on ebay, although it's now well worth the money that I put into it-just not a 'deal'. Unless ebay has changed, a 'reserve' costs the seller some extra money to post/sell that way (even if the item doesn't sell)-one reason it's not used all the time. I think $870 was on the high side for a working CR-7A, although if you trust the seller, it's not unreasonable. Personally, I wouldn't pay that without recent service documentation and being able to see & test the unit first. I know that sometimes they bring even more, but then there's the terms; "fool's paradise" and "a sucker is born every minute" to explain that phenomena. Kevin Message: 4 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:15:50 -0500 From: "Geoffrey Reynolds" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just listed my CR-7A on Ebay if anyone isinterested!More info in post To: "Vladimir Stankov" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Message-ID: <4922D3332FEA4CE9B0F92331015A8E2C at geoffprimary> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" "No reserve" means that the item will sell no matter how low the highest bid is. You can also set a "reserve" which means that unless the bids reach a minimum amount the seller is not obligated to sell the item when the auction ends. So if you set a reserve of $500 and the auction ends at $499, the seller is free to not sell the item. Without a reserve, the seller would be obligated to sell the item even if the winning bid is $1. It's very unlikely that you'll win a CR-7A in good cosmetic and/or working condition for $290. I sold my CR-7A on Audiogon for my asking price of $875 in less than 24 hours last week. It was an 8/10 (borderline 9/10) on the Audiogon rating scale and had no functional problems that I was aware of. I've seen CR-7A's go for over $1000 and I suspect I could have gotten more than I got, but I'm happy with what I got for it, feel that my asking price was more realistic, and it appears to have found a good home. Good luck to you in your search though. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ----- Original Message ----- From: Vladimir Stankov To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Just listed my CR-7A on Ebay if anyone isinterested!More info in post From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Nov 5 17:19:03 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:19:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 8 track? In-Reply-To: <112a7fe30810191353x3529fd39p951728efe285b802@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081015184804.GSZX23768.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> <88DF2F44-5411-48B7-AE3B-81E386501E2C@kvglabs.com> <0fa601c9322a$f9d37590$ed7a60b0$@com> <112a7fe30810191353x3529fd39p951728efe285b802@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910811050819n7bf1ba8fn5e4ccf4a0ed0cbf6@mail.gmail.com> Talking about 8-tracks, anyone knows a good player for these tapes? >> >> On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Roland wrote: >> >>> Did Nakamichi ever develop an 8 track recorder/player? Way back in >>> the mid 1970's, I had bought a Grundig 8 track recorder/player that >>> went for over $200, quite steep but did the job remarkably. >>> >>> Just curious if anyone knows if Nakamichi ever sold or developed a >>> performance 8 track? >> >> >> No, but I wish Nakamichi had made 8-track cartridge players or >> recorders. I bet they would have sounded far nicer than the Panasonic >> I had. The only "mobile" Nakamichi recorders I recall from the 1970s >> are the 250 cassette player, and the 350 and 550 recorders. >> >> I've heard tales of a Nakamichi reel-to-reel, but I've not been able >> to confirm that. >> >> -- Kermit Gray >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >> Skype ID: triodelicacy >> From emoussal at yahoo.fr Wed Nov 5 18:02:03 2008 From: emoussal at yahoo.fr (emeric moussalli) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:02:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 681 ZX record process or User's Manual Message-ID: <870424.29551.qm@web26908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello, i suscribed a little while ago and havn't understood how to post messages or open a new subject in the right way. I would like the one who knows to describe for me the right button procedure (or, the best ever, a user's manual text file) to edit recordings on a Nakamichi 681ZX. I sold mine a month ago (on ebay) because i've never really been using it, and the problem is that i can't remember if i only tried the recording fonction, and the buyer, experiencing troubles, asks me for the right way to use it. Thanks for help if possible. E. M. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 5 19:08:09 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:08:09 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 8 track? Message-ID: <26840361.1225908489960.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The best is a very rare Harman Kardon. Second tier decks are Pioneers and Panasonics. I suspect Akais will be good too, but I can't remember seeing one in an age! tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Antoine Deschênes >Sent: Nov 5, 2008 10:19 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 8 track? > >Talking about 8-tracks, anyone knows a good player for these tapes? > > >>> >>> On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Roland wrote: >>> >>>> Did Nakamichi ever develop an 8 track recorder/player? Way back in >>>> the mid 1970's, I had bought a Grundig 8 track recorder/player that >>>> went for over $200, quite steep but did the job remarkably. >>>> >>>> Just curious if anyone knows if Nakamichi ever sold or developed a >>>> performance 8 track? >>> >>> >>> No, but I wish Nakamichi had made 8-track cartridge players or >>> recorders. I bet they would have sounded far nicer than the Panasonic >>> I had. The only "mobile" Nakamichi recorders I recall from the 1970s >>> are the 250 cassette player, and the 350 and 550 recorders. >>> >>> I've heard tales of a Nakamichi reel-to-reel, but I've not been able >>> to confirm that. >>> >>> -- Kermit Gray >>> notarbene at kvglabs.com >>> KVG Laboratories >>> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >>> 16371 Lake Point Drive >>> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >>> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >>> Skype ID: triodelicacy >>> >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From mistergrinch at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 19:21:28 2008 From: mistergrinch at gmail.com (mark borrow) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:21:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <331739.23181.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3f4425d00810141939p3b6227bbx214ae2ef9aa0a72d@mail.gmail.com> <331739.23181.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3f4425d00811051021y11275710wffcd3a939b234e7@mail.gmail.com> Well - it has started coming off again. Any tips on where to get a replacement belt? On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:26 AM, shanti ramachandran < shantiram2000 at yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi, > > The very reason the capstan belt had come off is an indication you need to > replace it with a fresh new belt! > > Enjoy. > Ram > > --- On *Tue, 10/14/08, mark borrow * wrote: > > From: mark borrow > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 > To: "Tom Brucker" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks" > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:39 PM > > > It was the capstan belt.. it had come off the motor, but it's all working > now! Thanks for all the help! > > Is there any kind of adjustment to tighten it? > > So, now that it's working - anything else I should know about the 581? It > was given to me - I had needed a working cassette deck to do some archiving > of old recordings.. and now it looks like I've got one. > "-) > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 4:22 PM, mark borrow wrote: > >> which one is the cam belt? >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: >> >>> What about the cam belt? >>> >>> The heads will rise part way, but then the belt slips before it completes >>> the play function, so it goes back to stop. >>> >>> tom brucker >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mark borrow >>> Sent: Oct 14, 2008 10:05 AM >>> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 >>> >>> Next round. >>> If I'm looking in the right place - the bulb in the auto-stop assembly is >>> fine (about 2" to the right of the cassette well - behind the rec/ff >>> buttons?) >>> >>> it seems like it SHOULD be working - but there's some mechanism that's >>> telling it to stop when there's a tape inserted. >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:38 AM, mark borrow wrote: >>> >>>> Well - the take-up spindle does spin fine with no tape inserted, so it >>>> looks like the capstan belt is intact and working. >>>> >>>> I'm going to take it apart and check that bulb in the auto-stop >>>> assembly. >>>> >>>> IF the bulb is dead - is it a standard bulb that I can pick up anywhere? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, mark borrow wrote: >>>> >>>>> thanks for all the ideas.. I'll try to find a few minutes to get it >>>>> working again and report back! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Antoine Deschênes >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's either that or, as Bala pointed, the capstans aren't turning. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you press play while there is no tape, is it working? What if you >>>>>> manually spin the take-up wheel? Does it stop? Note that you can pull >>>>>> on the cassette door bezel to remove it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Antoine >>>>>> >>>>>> 2008/10/14 ScHenk : >>>>>> > Mark, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Possibly the light bulp in the auto stop assembly is at fault here. >>>>>> Happens >>>>>> > frequently. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Remove the front and at the right of the cassette compartment sits a >>>>>> little >>>>>> > PCB with nothing much then this bulp. This PCB is skewed and >>>>>> akwardly placed >>>>>> > in a slotted opening. A bit of a hassle to dismantle. >>>>>> > If this bulp is dead , this should be the cause of the problem. This >>>>>> bulp >>>>>> > must be on at all times. (OK , not when the 581 is switched >>>>>> off.....) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Good luck >>>>>> > Henk Schenk >>>>>> > Netherlands >>>>>> > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > From: "mark borrow" >>>>>> > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help >>>>>> > To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>>> > Message-ID: >>>>>> > <3f4425d00810132016p78f61616ga15ae32ab1d6233d at mail.gmail.com> >>>>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Hey all - >>>>>> > I just received a Nak 581 from someone, as I was needing to archive >>>>>> some >>>>>> > old >>>>>> > cassette recordings - and I'm having some trouble with it. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > It was in perfect working order before shipping - so I'm hoping it's >>>>>> an easy >>>>>> > fix (I'm pretty handy with electronics - but figured I'd ask here >>>>>> first, >>>>>> > since I can't find a service manual). >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Basically - the motor works fine.. FF/RW work as expected.. but when >>>>>> I press >>>>>> > play, the heads move up into position for about 1 second, then >>>>>> return to >>>>>> > the >>>>>> > stopped position. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Any good ideas about where to begin troubleshooting it? Perhaps >>>>>> something >>>>>> > is just out of adjustment? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Thanks! >>>>>> > -mb >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>> > >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> > Maintain your account here: >>>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> > >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Antoine Deschênes >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>>> >>>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> Hi Tech Service >>> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >>> Nashville, TN 37211 >>> hitech77 at earthlink.net >>> hitech at bellsouth.net >>> 615-331-9241 >>> >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruff at yahoo.com Wed Nov 5 20:45:08 2008 From: jeruff at yahoo.com (jesse ruff) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:45:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 8 track? In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910811050819n7bf1ba8fn5e4ccf4a0ed0cbf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <414666.739.qm@web83707.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Check out 8-track heaven. I hear Akai made the best recorders--I'd assume their players would then be the best as well? I have two pioneers--one recording (though I don't think its recording capability is working). They playback as decently as one might expect an 8-track player to perform. And that's without any tweeking whatsoever. There was some dude selling a bunch of refurbished units through his website, though I'm not sure if that's still up. Here's the link. I just found him again--Barry's his name! http://www.barrys8trackrepair.com/forsale.html Looks like he doesn't have much in stock currently though. Jesse --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > From: Antoine Deschênes > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 8 track? > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 11:19 AM > Talking about 8-tracks, anyone knows a good player for these > tapes? > > > >> > >> On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Roland wrote: > >> > >>> Did Nakamichi ever develop an 8 track > recorder/player? Way back in > >>> the mid 1970's, I had bought a Grundig 8 > track recorder/player that > >>> went for over $200, quite steep but did the > job remarkably. > >>> > >>> Just curious if anyone knows if Nakamichi ever > sold or developed a > >>> performance 8 track? > >> > >> > >> No, but I wish Nakamichi had made 8-track > cartridge players or > >> recorders. I bet they would have sounded far nicer > than the Panasonic > >> I had. The only "mobile" Nakamichi > recorders I recall from the 1970s > >> are the 250 cassette player, and the 350 and 550 > recorders. > >> > >> I've heard tales of a Nakamichi reel-to-reel, > but I've not been able > >> to confirm that. > >> > >> -- Kermit Gray > >> notarbene at kvglabs.com > >> KVG Laboratories > >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better > >> 16371 Lake Point Drive > >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 > >> Skype ID: triodelicacy > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Nov 5 23:13:49 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:13:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <3f4425d00811051021y11275710wffcd3a939b234e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f4425d00810141939p3b6227bbx214ae2ef9aa0a72d@mail.gmail.com> <331739.23181.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3f4425d00811051021y11275710wffcd3a939b234e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49121A9D.9080007@yahoo.ca> Ask Fred at marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com for a 8096-D2 belt. They're about $20, but really worth it. mark borrow a écrit : > Well - it has started coming off again. Any tips on where to get a > replacement belt? > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:26 AM, shanti ramachandran > > wrote: > > Hi, > > The very reason the capstan belt had come off is an indication you > need to replace it with a fresh new belt! > > Enjoy. > Ram > > > --- On *Tue, 10/14/08, mark borrow / >/* wrote: > > From: mark borrow > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 > To: "Tom Brucker" >, "Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks" > > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:39 PM > > > It was the capstan belt.. it had come off the motor, but it's > all working now! Thanks for all the help! > > Is there any kind of adjustment to tighten it? > > So, now that it's working - anything else I should know about > the 581? It was given to me - I had needed a working cassette > deck to do some archiving of old recordings.. and now it looks > like I've got one. > "-) > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 4:22 PM, mark borrow > > wrote: > > which one is the cam belt? > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Tom Brucker > > > wrote: > > What about the cam belt? > > The heads will rise part way, but then the belt slips > before it completes the play function, so it goes back > to stop. > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark borrow > Sent: Oct 14, 2008 10:05 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 > > Next round. > If I'm looking in the right place - the bulb in > the auto-stop assembly is fine (about 2" to the > right of the cassette well - behind the rec/ff > buttons?) > > it seems like it SHOULD be working - but there's > some mechanism that's telling it to stop when > there's a tape inserted. > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:38 AM, mark borrow > > wrote: > > Well - the take-up spindle does spin fine with > no tape inserted, so it looks like the capstan > belt is intact and working. > > I'm going to take it apart and check that bulb > in the auto-stop assembly. > > IF the bulb is dead - is it a standard bulb > that I can pick up anywhere? > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, mark borrow > > wrote: > > thanks for all the ideas.. I'll try to > find a few minutes to get it working again > and report back! > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Antoine > Deschênes > wrote: > > It's either that or, as Bala pointed, > the capstans aren't turning. > > If you press play while there is no > tape, is it working? What if you > manually spin the take-up wheel? Does > it stop? Note that you can pull > on the cassette door bezel to remove it. > > Antoine > > 2008/10/14 ScHenk > >: > > Mark, > > > > Possibly the light bulp in the auto > stop assembly is at fault here. Happens > > frequently. > > > > Remove the front and at the right of > the cassette compartment sits a little > > PCB with nothing much then this > bulp. This PCB is skewed and akwardly > placed > > in a slotted opening. A bit of a > hassle to dismantle. > > If this bulp is dead , this should > be the cause of the problem. This bulp > > must be on at all times. (OK , not > when the 581 is switched off.....) > > > > Good luck > > Henk Schenk > > Netherlands > > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > > > > > > > From: "mark borrow" > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Message-ID: > > > <3f4425d00810132016p78f61616ga15ae32ab1d6233d at mail.gmail.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hey all - > > I just received a Nak 581 from > someone, as I was needing to archive some > > old > > cassette recordings - and I'm having > some trouble with it. > > > > It was in perfect working order > before shipping - so I'm hoping it's > an easy > > fix (I'm pretty handy with > electronics - but figured I'd ask here > first, > > since I can't find a service manual). > > > > Basically - the motor works fine.. > FF/RW work as expected.. but when I press > > play, the heads move up into > position for about 1 second, then > return to > > the > > stopped position. > > > > Any good ideas about where to begin > troubleshooting it? Perhaps something > > is just out of adjustment? > > > > Thanks! > > -mb > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > > 615-331-9241 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Nov 6 03:10:16 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:10:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 8 track? In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910811050819n7bf1ba8fn5e4ccf4a0ed0cbf6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081015184804.GSZX23768.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> <88DF2F44-5411-48B7-AE3B-81E386501E2C@kvglabs.com> <0fa601c9322a$f9d37590$ed7a60b0$@com> <112a7fe30810191353x3529fd39p951728efe285b802@mail.gmail.com> <17d5ee910811050819n7bf1ba8fn5e4ccf4a0ed0cbf6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <234067BF-DFD6-4067-BFCD-A91367077BD7@kvglabs.com> Hi Antoine, I'd be happy to give you my Panasonic 8-track -- it even records! On Nov 5, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Talking about 8-tracks, anyone knows a good player for these tapes? > > >> -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 6 15:27:00 2008 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Ken Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 08:27:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 8 track? Message-ID: <4912FEB4.2010200@sbcglobal.net> Antoine asks: "Talking about 8-tracks, anyone knows a good player for these tapes?" Ken says: I have an Akai GXR 82d I bought back in the 70's. It was expensive for the day. It was the best I could find. I was spending my grandmothers money. She left it to me when she passed. It has a nice heavy motor. It sounds pretty good for the format and records well too. Even has mic inputs. Nice solid piece of gear. Here is a pic of one I found looking around: http://www.barrys8trackrepair.com/images/Akai_GXR-82D.jpg I see them sell for less than a hundred bucks. A tech upgraded a transistor that would blow easily that powered the channel switching solenoid. Other than that, it has worked great all of these years. From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Nov 6 21:52:31 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:52:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 8 track players In-Reply-To: <4912FEB4.2010200@sbcglobal.net> References: <4912FEB4.2010200@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4913590F.5040309@yahoo.ca> Thanks for all the replies! I'll accept Kermit's offer, but I might need a second player as well. Anyone has a unit lying around? Ken Kirkpatrick a écrit : > Antoine asks: > > "Talking about 8-tracks, anyone knows a good player for these tapes?" > > > Ken says: > > I have an Akai GXR 82d I bought back in the 70's. It was expensive for > the day. It was the best I could find. I was spending my > grandmothers money. She left it to me when she passed. It has a nice > heavy motor. It sounds pretty good for the format and records well > too. Even has mic inputs. Nice solid piece of gear. Here is a pic of > one I found looking around: > > http://www.barrys8trackrepair.com/images/Akai_GXR-82D.jpg > > I see them sell for less than a hundred bucks. A tech upgraded a > transistor that would blow easily that powered the channel switching > solenoid. Other than that, it has worked great all of these years. From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Nov 6 22:08:13 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:08:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Grease & oil In-Reply-To: <000601c93c28$3c4ff040$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <17d5ee910810312026l2a55abfk5a2d56a0321a29a7@mail.gmail.com> <000601c93c28$3c4ff040$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <49135CBD.3010904@yahoo.ca> Thanks for the info, the transport needs re-lubrication in every corners it seems, it's either dry or mixed with light oil. I was starting to think I should buy Nak's recommended products, but they're sold in 5 gallons buckets. Rainer & Joy-Ell a écrit : > Antoine, > The thrust portions of the capstan would be at the washer behind > the flywheel and the thrust surface on the other exposed side of the > flywheel. I'm not familiar with the CR decks but I imagine that this > would be the same. My experience on re-lubricating impregnated > bearings is that you need to use a thicker lube(grease) than you might > think. Light oil simply runs out. I've been told by a machinist that > an impregnated bearing will NOT allow oil to re-enter it's pores as > one might think Keeping the lube in by using a light grease and even > trying to seal the ends,(felt,plastic washers) so that dirt can't get > in and the lube can't get out, is the way to go IMHO. For pivot points > and linkages such Wynn's Extend makes a product called "Viscotene" > which I find is absolutley tenatious(but messy) and very long lasting. > (great on door hinges and locks as well.) > > > Rainer S. > > P.S. thanks for posting those links on what you have come across > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antoine Deschênes" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:26 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Grease & oil > > >> I'm currently fixing someone's CR-3A, another dying reel motor case. >> The transport is disassembled currently, and the whole reel assembly >> as well, as I've just burnished the motor's commutators and leaf >> brushes. I noticed that some light oil (machine / sharpening kind) has >> been sprayed about everywhere, especially on the reel motor and the >> left hub surroundings. >> >> Having a bad experience with that kind of oil (doing more damage than >> good on worn permanently-lubricated sleeve bearings after a few weeks, >> for example) I thought I should clean this and put proper stuff >> instead. I have some 99.953% anhydrous isopropyl alcohol to clean it, >> but I don't know what I should put back afterwards. >> >> For the cam and reel motors, do I clean them with alcohol and put >> nothing back? Are there any risks of affecting the permanent >> lubrication? >> >> The CR-3 service manual lists a couple of different lubrication >> points, and lists some very specific, sometimes hard-to-find oils. Are >> there suitable substitutes? They list : >> >> -Anderol 456 diester bearing oil for the capstan shafts >> http://www.specialtyfluids.com/specialtyfluids/manufacturers/anderol/gearbearing.asp >> >> http://www.anderol.nl/pdf/pds/ANDEROL%20456.pdf >> >> -Mitsubishi Diamond EP-56 hydraulic fluid oil for the reel hub shafts: >> It's impossible to find, but has tons of equivalents available >> apparently : >> Page 15 : http://tspmakine.com/enjeksiyon/TR_UrunKilavuz.pdf >> MSDS : http://www.msdshazcom.com/MSDS/HMIS/004/BZPKM.HTM >> >> -Molykote X5-6020 mineral oil grease for the cam motor pulley, and >> "capstan thrust-portion" (What's that?): >> http://www.dowcorning.com/applications/search/products/Details.aspx?prod=01692518&type=PROD&country=GBR >> >> Not sold in North America. >> >> -Floil GB-TS-1 : Can't find info, but there should be other stuff >> available for a sliding metal/nylon part. ("Between reel hub assy and >> back tension spring") >> >> >> I currently have some Solder Seal Gunk Super Oil : >> http://www.gunk.com/prodinfo/L1004.PDF >> Little thicker than the machine and sharpening oils I have, and said >> as non-detergent. Probably safe, but not long-lasting. >> >> The LP Gear "Z-Black Oil" : >> http://www.lpgear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=LG&Product_Code=LPGZBEAROIL&Category_Code=PE >> >> >> and white lithium grease. Ideally, I'd like equivalents in containers >> of less than 4 gallons ;-) and ideally coming from easy-to-find >> brands. (GC Electronics, MG Chemicals, Asalco, anything from MCM >> Electronics, Caig, Solder Seal Gunk, Mobil, Castrol, Pennzoil. >> >> Cheers, >> Antoine > From lists at richardhess.com Thu Nov 6 23:32:03 2008 From: lists at richardhess.com (Richard L. Hess) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:32:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 8 track players In-Reply-To: <4913590F.5040309@yahoo.ca> References: <4912FEB4.2010200@sbcglobal.net> <4913590F.5040309@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <0MKpCa-1KyDPY0lTk-0007oN@mrelay.perfora.net> Hello, Antoine, I have an Akai quad unit that works reasonably well, but I decided to do this right . I had John French make a special elevator head assembly for the Sony APR-5000 pro reel to reel recorder. It has a top-of-the-line Nortronics quadraphonic 8-track head in it and the height adjustment is independent of azimuth. I remove the tape from the cartridge (using the Akai to find the splice) and then splice on leader and transfer two programs per pass into the DAW. I have done a few tapes on the Akai and on the APR and the APR blows away the AKAI. Of course, the APR is one of my favourite tape decks, right up there with the Dragon and the Studer A80. I think the head assembly today would be over a kilobuck US. www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm for general pictures -- sorry no picture of the 8-track head assembly. Cheers, Richard Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Nov 7 00:37:07 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:37:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... In-Reply-To: <0MKpCa-1KyDPY0lTk-0007oN@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <4912FEB4.2010200@sbcglobal.net> <4913590F.5040309@yahoo.ca> <0MKpCa-1KyDPY0lTk-0007oN@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <02c301c94068$967c3a30$c374ae90$@com> I have an unloved/unwanted pair of quadraphonic headphones, if anyone would like them. I bought them on eBay originally to see if I could replicate the "stereo" I can sometimes discern with just the one ear. Never bothered with the experiment in the end because I just didn't like the sound quality from them. Anyone interested in giving this bit of history a caring home? (Will gladly swap for any Denon DRM 800 spares! Does anyone know a secret source/store of these? The DRM800 was the transport used by Arcam for the Delta 100. Nothing wrong with the deck yet but I want to be prepared.) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Richard L. Hess Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:32 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] 8 track players Hello, Antoine, I have an Akai quad unit that works reasonably well, but I decided to do this right . I had John French make a special elevator head assembly for the Sony APR-5000 pro reel to reel recorder. It has a top-of-the-line Nortronics quadraphonic 8-track head in it and the height adjustment is independent of azimuth. I remove the tape from the cartridge (using the Akai to find the splice) and then splice on leader and transfer two programs per pass into the DAW. I have done a few tapes on the Akai and on the APR and the APR blows away the AKAI. Of course, the APR is one of my favourite tape decks, right up there with the Dragon and the Studer A80. I think the head assembly today would be over a kilobuck US. www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm for general pictures -- sorry no picture of the 8-track head assembly. Cheers, Richard Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Nov 7 02:27:36 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:27:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... In-Reply-To: <84510EEC380948B6A29DFDF1B80CB451@jasona028a1a62> References: <4912FEB4.2010200@sbcglobal.net> <4913590F.5040309@yahoo.ca><0MKpCa-1KyDPY0lTk-0007oN@mrelay.perfora.net> <02c301c94068$967c3a30$c374ae90$@com> <84510EEC380948B6A29DFDF1B80CB451@jasona028a1a62> Message-ID: <02f801c94078$05d5f150$1181d3f0$@com> Hi Jason The phones are an MEP, Model 04-H, Parts Number 23-13782, and made in Japan. They are heavy weight, closed cups and have what seem to be nylon covered cushions, black in colour. The cups are a cream colour. (They are a perfect colour match with my wife's wedding dress but she refused to wear them with it on the big day - or any other day - even though her First Degree is in Sound Engineering! You'd have thought she'd have jumped at the chance, but no ...) They are also very dusty ... Does MEP headphones mean anything to anyone? Just curious. Graham -----Original Message----- From: Jason Stephens [mailto:jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:21 AM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... Hello Graham, Please can you tell me the make and model of the quadraphonic headphones? Best regards, Jason From notarbene at kvglabs.com Fri Nov 7 03:04:48 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:04:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... In-Reply-To: <02f801c94078$05d5f150$1181d3f0$@com> References: <4912FEB4.2010200@sbcglobal.net> <4913590F.5040309@yahoo.ca><0MKpCa-1KyDPY0lTk-0007oN@mrelay.perfora.net> <02c301c94068$967c3a30$c374ae90$@com> <84510EEC380948B6A29DFDF1B80CB451@jasona028a1a62> <02f801c94078$05d5f150$1181d3f0$@com> Message-ID: Hey Graham, Oh wow-o-wow as we used to say. I'm a quadriphonic junkie! If still available I'd like to add your 'phones to my collection of Koss 2+2 quadriphones, Sansui quad receiver, Shure quad cartridge, EV & RadioShack quad decoders, Panasonic quad 8-track player, and Teac A3440 quad reel-to-reel. In the 1970s I made a quad console (the Quadrimaster) but I sold it years ago. I'm building myself another one, though. And don't forget my Quadriphonic Nakamichi 600s (two 600s played simultaneously. Okay so that's a bit of a stretch, but....) On Nov 6, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > Hi Jason > > The phones are an MEP, Model 04-H, Parts Number 23-13782, and made > in Japan. > They are heavy weight, closed cups and have what seem to be nylon > covered > cushions, black in colour. The cups are a cream colour. (They are a > perfect > colour match with my wife's wedding dress but she refused to wear > them with > it on the big day - or any other day - even though her First Degree > is in > Sound Engineering! You'd have thought she'd have jumped at the > chance, but > no ...) They are also very dusty ... > > Does MEP headphones mean anything to anyone? Just curious. > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Stephens [mailto:jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:21 AM > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... > > > Hello Graham, > > Please can you tell me the make and model of the quadraphonic > headphones? > > Best regards, > Jason > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 7 00:52:35 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:52:35 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Denon DRM800 Message-ID: <28494041.1226015555832.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Graham has asked about parts for this Denon deck. I have a DRM800A manual, and the mechanism is very interesting! Cam motor 2170168003 ought to be a drop in replacement for the Sankyo cam motor. 2170161000 reel motor (aka DR04A04 reel motor sub asy) ought to fit the Sankyo reel motor. If anyone has one of these decks, or the Arcam, I'd love to hear your opinions. I am researching what parts are available through Denon. idler 4330449201 not the same as Nak belt, capstan A 4238026108 might get lucky! belt, capstan B 4238030110 " tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Graham A Nelson >Sent: Nov 6, 2008 5:37 PM >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... > >I have an unloved/unwanted pair of quadraphonic headphones, if anyone would >like them. I bought them on eBay originally to see if I could replicate the >"stereo" I can sometimes discern with just the one ear. Never bothered with >the experiment in the end because I just didn't like the sound quality from >them. Anyone interested in giving this bit of history a caring home? (Will >gladly swap for any Denon DRM 800 spares! Does anyone know a secret >source/store of these? The DRM800 was the transport used by Arcam for the >Delta 100. Nothing wrong with the deck yet but I want to be prepared.) > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Richard L. Hess >Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:32 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] 8 track players > > >Hello, Antoine, > >I have an Akai quad unit that works reasonably well, but I decided to >do this right . I had John French make a special elevator head >assembly for the Sony APR-5000 pro reel to reel recorder. It has a >top-of-the-line Nortronics quadraphonic 8-track head in it and the >height adjustment is independent of azimuth. > >I remove the tape from the cartridge (using the Akai to find the >splice) and then splice on leader and transfer two programs per pass >into the DAW. > >I have done a few tapes on the Akai and on the APR and the APR blows >away the AKAI. Of course, the APR is one of my favourite tape decks, >right up there with the Dragon and the Studer A80. I think the head >assembly today would be over a kilobuck US. > >www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm for general pictures -- sorry >no picture of the 8-track head assembly. > >Cheers, > >Richard > >Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com >Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ >Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk Fri Nov 7 01:20:44 2008 From: jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk (Jason Stephens) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:20:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... References: <4912FEB4.2010200@sbcglobal.net> <4913590F.5040309@yahoo.ca><0MKpCa-1KyDPY0lTk-0007oN@mrelay.perfora.net> <02c301c94068$967c3a30$c374ae90$@com> Message-ID: <84510EEC380948B6A29DFDF1B80CB451@jasona028a1a62> Hello Graham, Please can you tell me the make and model of the quadraphonic headphones? Best regards, Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham A Nelson" To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... > > I have an unloved/unwanted pair of quadraphonic headphones, if anyone > would > like them. I bought them on eBay originally to see if I could replicate > the > "stereo" I can sometimes discern with just the one ear. Never bothered > with > the experiment in the end because I just didn't like the sound quality > from > them. Anyone interested in giving this bit of history a caring home? > (Will > gladly swap for any Denon DRM 800 spares! Does anyone know a secret > source/store of these? The DRM800 was the transport used by Arcam for the > Delta 100. Nothing wrong with the deck yet but I want to be prepared.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Richard L. Hess > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:32 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 8 track players > > > Hello, Antoine, > > I have an Akai quad unit that works reasonably well, but I decided to > do this right . I had John French make a special elevator head > assembly for the Sony APR-5000 pro reel to reel recorder. It has a > top-of-the-line Nortronics quadraphonic 8-track head in it and the > height adjustment is independent of azimuth. > > I remove the tape from the cartridge (using the Akai to find the > splice) and then splice on leader and transfer two programs per pass > into the DAW. > > I have done a few tapes on the Akai and on the APR and the APR blows > away the AKAI. Of course, the APR is one of my favourite tape decks, > right up there with the Dragon and the Studer A80. I think the head > assembly today would be over a kilobuck US. > > www.richardhess.com/tape/facility.htm for general pictures -- sorry > no picture of the 8-track head assembly. > > Cheers, > > Richard > > Richard L. Hess richard at richardhess.com > Aurora, Ontario, Canada http://www.richardhess.com/ > Detailed contact information: http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1771 - Release Date: 06/11/2008 07:58 From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 7 06:10:43 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:10:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <190890.28127.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a number of quadraphonic and SQ encoded records in my collection. No decoder, but these records have a funny sense of stereo when played through normal two-channel systems. I hope to listen to these records to see how they sounded in their full glory some day.   Kermit, it is a neat idea to sync two Naks to get a quad system, though syncing them would be difficult.   Cheers --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Kermit Gray wrote: From: Kermit Gray Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 10:04 AM Hey Graham, Oh wow-o-wow as we used to say. I'm a quadriphonic junkie! If still available I'd like to add your 'phones to my collection of Koss 2+2 quadriphones, Sansui quad receiver, Shure quad cartridge, EV & RadioShack quad decoders, Panasonic quad 8-track player, and Teac A3440 quad reel-to-reel. In the 1970s I made a quad console (the Quadrimaster) but I sold it years ago. I'm building myself another one, though. And don't forget my Quadriphonic Nakamichi 600s (two 600s played simultaneously. Okay so that's a bit of a stretch, but....) On Nov 6, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > Hi Jason > > The phones are an MEP, Model 04-H, Parts Number 23-13782, and made in Japan. > They are heavy weight, closed cups and have what seem to be nylon covered > cushions, black in colour. The cups are a cream colour. (They are a perfect > colour match with my wife's wedding dress but she refused to wear them with > it on the big day - or any other day - even though her First Degree is in > Sound Engineering! You'd have thought she'd have jumped at the chance, but > no ...) They are also very dusty ... > > Does MEP headphones mean anything to anyone? Just curious. > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Stephens [mailto:jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:21 AM > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... > > > Hello Graham, > > Please can you tell me the make and model of the quadraphonic headphones? > > Best regards, > Jason > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 7 06:15:57 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:15:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Grease & oil In-Reply-To: <49135CBD.3010904@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <51739.66173.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Antoine,   The real way to re-lube an oil-impregnated bearing is to flush the old oil out with gentle heat-treatment. I have done this for vintage turntables, and its amazing to see the amount out dirt these bearings can house.   Rainier is right that these bearings will simply not soak up the light oil. The most effective way is to remove the old oil out and soak the bearings in new oil so that it absorbs new and clean oil. Removing the bearings out...now that's another new challenge to consider.   Cheers --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Antoine Deschênes wrote: From: Antoine Deschênes Subject: Re: [naktalk] Grease & oil To: "Rainer & Joy-Ell" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 5:08 AM Thanks for the info, the transport needs re-lubrication in every corners it seems, it's either dry or mixed with light oil. I was starting to think I should buy Nak's recommended products, but they're sold in 5 gallons buckets. Rainer & Joy-Ell a écrit : > Antoine, > The thrust portions of the capstan would be at the washer behind the flywheel and the thrust surface on the other exposed side of the flywheel. I'm not familiar with the CR decks but I imagine that this would be the same. My experience on re-lubricating impregnated bearings is that you need to use a thicker lube(grease) than you might think. Light oil simply runs out. I've been told by a machinist that an impregnated bearing will NOT allow oil to re-enter it's pores as one might think Keeping the lube in by using a light grease and even trying to seal the ends,(felt,plastic washers) so that dirt can't get in and the lube can't get out, is the way to go IMHO. For pivot points and linkages such Wynn's Extend makes a product called "Viscotene" which I find is absolutley tenatious(but messy) and very long lasting. (great on door hinges and locks as well.) > > > Rainer S. > > P.S. thanks for posting those links on what you have come across > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antoine Deschênes" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:26 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Grease & oil > > >> I'm currently fixing someone's CR-3A, another dying reel motor case. >> The transport is disassembled currently, and the whole reel assembly >> as well, as I've just burnished the motor's commutators and leaf >> brushes. I noticed that some light oil (machine / sharpening kind) has >> been sprayed about everywhere, especially on the reel motor and the >> left hub surroundings. >> >> Having a bad experience with that kind of oil (doing more damage than >> good on worn permanently-lubricated sleeve bearings after a few weeks, >> for example) I thought I should clean this and put proper stuff >> instead. I have some 99.953% anhydrous isopropyl alcohol to clean it, >> but I don't know what I should put back afterwards. >> >> For the cam and reel motors, do I clean them with alcohol and put >> nothing back? Are there any risks of affecting the permanent >> lubrication? >> >> The CR-3 service manual lists a couple of different lubrication >> points, and lists some very specific, sometimes hard-to-find oils. Are >> there suitable substitutes? They list : >> >> -Anderol 456 diester bearing oil for the capstan shafts >> http://www.specialtyfluids.com/specialtyfluids/manufacturers/anderol/gearbearing.asp >> http://www.anderol.nl/pdf/pds/ANDEROL%20456.pdf >> >> -Mitsubishi Diamond EP-56 hydraulic fluid oil for the reel hub shafts: >> It's impossible to find, but has tons of equivalents available apparently : >> Page 15 : http://tspmakine.com/enjeksiyon/TR_UrunKilavuz.pdf >> MSDS : http://www.msdshazcom.com/MSDS/HMIS/004/BZPKM.HTM >> >> -Molykote X5-6020 mineral oil grease for the cam motor pulley, and >> "capstan thrust-portion" (What's that?): >> http://www.dowcorning.com/applications/search/products/Details.aspx?prod=01692518&type=PROD&country=GBR >> Not sold in North America. >> >> -Floil GB-TS-1 : Can't find info, but there should be other stuff >> available for a sliding metal/nylon part. ("Between reel hub assy and >> back tension spring") >> >> >> I currently have some Solder Seal Gunk Super Oil : >> http://www.gunk.com/prodinfo/L1004.PDF >> Little thicker than the machine and sharpening oils I have, and said >> as non-detergent. Probably safe, but not long-lasting. >> >> The LP Gear "Z-Black Oil" : >> http://www.lpgear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=LG&Product_Code=LPGZBEAROIL&Category_Code=PE >> >> and white lithium grease. Ideally, I'd like equivalents in containers >> of less than 4 gallons ;-) and ideally coming from easy-to-find >> brands. (GC Electronics, MG Chemicals, Asalco, anything from MCM >> Electronics, Caig, Solder Seal Gunk, Mobil, Castrol, Pennzoil. >> >> Cheers, >> Antoine > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at verizon.net Fri Nov 7 06:33:02 2008 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:33:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... In-Reply-To: References: <4912FEB4.2010200@sbcglobal.net> <4913590F.5040309@yahoo.ca> <0MKpCa-1KyDPY0lTk-0007oN@mrelay.perfora.net> <02c301c94068$967c3a30$c374ae90$@com> <84510EEC380948B6A29DFDF1B80CB451@jasona028a1a62> <02f801c94078$05d5f150$1181d3f0$@com> Message-ID: <0K9Y00KSA7DH6242@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> all this talk about 8-trax just makes me want to sell my Dragon and buy about 12-16 8-trax recorders!! or 6-8 Quad 8-track recorders!! This is too funny but I must admit I was an 8-track groupie and resisted the cassette movement. I remember giving my brother heck because he bought a Panasonic cassette deck for his car. At 09:04 PM 11/6/2008, you wrote: >Hey Graham, > >Oh wow-o-wow as we used to say. I'm a quadriphonic junkie! If still >available I'd like to add your 'phones to my collection of Koss 2+2 >quadriphones, Sansui quad receiver, Shure quad cartridge, EV & >RadioShack quad decoders, Panasonic quad 8-track player, and Teac >A3440 quad reel-to-reel. In the 1970s I made a quad console (the >Quadrimaster) but I sold it years ago. I'm building myself another >one, though. And don't forget my Quadriphonic Nakamichi 600s (two 600s >played simultaneously. Okay so that's a bit of a stretch, but....) > >On Nov 6, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Graham A Nelson wrote: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Fri Nov 7 08:29:16 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:29:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... Message-ID: <3DFF5FCD-47AE-4953-90B4-80781D0199F7@alumni.caltech.edu> > I have a number of quadraphonic and SQ encoded records in my > collection. No decoder, but these records have a funny sense of > stereo when played through normal two-channel systems. I hope to > listen to these records to see how they sounded in their full glory > some day. > I have a Marantz 4400 with the SQ decoder (heck, I even have the CD-400 decoder for the JVC system, but no Shibata (sp?) equipped turntable). Nothing to record onto that's quad, though.-kby From brannigan_tom at yahoo.com Fri Nov 7 13:41:59 2008 From: brannigan_tom at yahoo.com (TOM BRANNIGAN) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 04:41:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... In-Reply-To: <3DFF5FCD-47AE-4953-90B4-80781D0199F7@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <328038.13626.qm@web58103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, I've never heard of a quadraphonic TT. I have plenty of Quad recordings on vinyl and I knew a couple of good friends who had Quad sound systems in the 1970s. I never recall them having special TTs. I would think I'd remember something like that. Turntables have been a love of mine all my life. I'm not aware of whether or not attachments are possible on this forum, but here's a few pics of some TTs stuff..........where I play my source material for taping. Ciao, Tom Brannigan/ Mt View, Ca. --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Kimo B. Yap wrote: From: Kimo B. Yap Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 11:29 PM > I have a number of quadraphonic and SQ encoded records in my > collection. No decoder, but these records have a funny sense of > stereo when played through normal two-channel systems. I hope to > listen to these records to see how they sounded in their full glory > some day. > I have a Marantz 4400 with the SQ decoder (heck, I even have the CD-400 decoder for the JVC system, but no Shibata (sp?) equipped turntable). Nothing to record onto that's quad, though.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <0K9Y00KSA7DH6242@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> References: <4912FEB4.2010200@sbcglobal.net> <4913590F.5040309@yahoo.ca> <0MKpCa-1KyDPY0lTk-0007oN@mrelay.perfora.net> <02c301c94068$967c3a30$c374ae90$@com> <84510EEC380948B6A29DFDF1B80CB451@jasona028a1a62> <02f801c94078$05d5f150$1181d3f0$@com> <0K9Y00KSA7DH6242@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <112a7fe30811070928o7fffa0feq5a31408fe846c5b0@mail.gmail.com> Quadraphonic is a total Utopia! We can't even conquer the regular stereo for all these years...Living in MONO. Regards,Max On 11/7/08, Roland wrote: > all this talk about 8-trax just makes me want to sell my Dragon and > buy about 12-16 8-trax recorders!! or 6-8 Quad 8-track recorders!! > > This is too funny but I must admit I was an 8-track groupie and > resisted the cassette movement. > > I remember giving my brother heck because he bought a Panasonic > cassette deck for his car. > > > At 09:04 PM 11/6/2008, you wrote: >>Hey Graham, >> >>Oh wow-o-wow as we used to say. I'm a quadriphonic junkie! If still >>available I'd like to add your 'phones to my collection of Koss 2+2 >>quadriphones, Sansui quad receiver, Shure quad cartridge, EV & >>RadioShack quad decoders, Panasonic quad 8-track player, and Teac >>A3440 quad reel-to-reel. In the 1970s I made a quad console (the >>Quadrimaster) but I sold it years ago. I'm building myself another >>one, though. And don't forget my Quadriphonic Nakamichi 600s (two 600s >>played simultaneously. Okay so that's a bit of a stretch, but....) >> >>On Nov 6, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From dougg at mmsav.com Fri Nov 7 19:19:37 2008 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:19:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... In-Reply-To: <328038.13626.qm@web58103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <3DFF5FCD-47AE-4953-90B4-80781D0199F7@alumni.caltech.edu> <328038.13626.qm@web58103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD42A30AA096E@mail.mmsav.com> Wow Tom, Those are beauties!! I still use my old Micro Seiki 1500 w/a SAEC Tone arm. The Quad record business did one great thing for analog audiophiles. The CD4 albums had the surround info encoded on a 40kHz carrier on the albums. The typical elliptical stylus of the day would wipe that signal right off the grooves in just a couple of passes. So the cartridge gurus came up with the line contact styli, Shibata, etc, to allow a larger footprint on the groove surface for less psi , so to speak. This opened the door for the high performance cartridges that we enjoy today! The other big advantage of those stylus shapes is that it is possible to "pick up some fresh vinyl on albums that had been abused with a conical stylus. I had a professional drummer/singer friend and her husband over for dinner the other day. We were listening to some of their favorite music on a "not to shabby" (Levinson) CD transport/DAC. I pulled out a nice copy of Dire Straights "brothers in Arms" and as I dropped the stylus in the groove her mouth dropped open!! They were blown away by what was possible with "the old technology". :o)) Thanks for the pictures and Happy Listening!! Doug Guth, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 ________________________________ From: TOM BRANNIGAN [mailto:brannigan_tom at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:42 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... Hi Folks, I've never heard of a quadraphonic TT. I have plenty of Quad recordings on vinyl and I knew a couple of good friends who had Quad sound systems in the 1970s. I never recall them having special TTs. I would think I'd remember something like that. Turntables have been a love of mine all my life. I'm not aware of whether or not attachments are possible on this forum, but here's a few pics of some TTs stuff..........where I play my source material for taping. Ciao, Tom Brannigan/ Mt View, Ca. --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Kimo B. Yap wrote: From: Kimo B. Yap Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 11:29 PM > I have a number of quadraphonic and SQ encoded records in my > collection. No decoder, but these records have a funny sense of > stereo when played through normal two-channel systems. I hope to > listen to these records to see how they sounded in their full glory > some day. > I have a Marantz 4400 with the SQ decoder (heck, I even have the CD-400 decoder for the JVC system, but no Shibata (sp?) equipped turntable). Nothing to record onto that's quad, though.-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Fri Nov 7 19:11:16 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:11:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Calibration Knob Needed Message-ID: Can anyone give me the part number for a ZX-7 calibration knob? Also - if anyone can sell me one, please contact me directly. 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So you would have 4 rca phono plugs attached to the tone arm wires leading from the 4 channel cartridge. Also you will need a 4 channel amp and 4 ch power amp or two stereo pre-amps with phono stages MM /MC I dont know if the vintage cartridges where made with moving coil principle, most likely they were moving magnet(mm) with high gain to drive the phono stage this two pre-amp them would be feeding two stereo power amps of your choice this arrangement would any 4ch decorder would most likely be 4 descrete channel without any 4 ch decoder , atleast that what my reasoning I could well be wrong! I have never owned a 4 ch cartridge but I do have few 4 channel vintage record hope to come across a quality 4 ch phono cartridge one day. I can understand 4 discrete channels but I dont know what SQ 4 channel mean. I also have a Pioneer 45 rpm 4ch or quadraphonic test record. Thanks! Ali In a message dated 11/7/2008 2:15:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dougg at mmsav.com writes: Wow Tom, Those are beauties!! I still use my old Micro Seiki 1500 w/a SAEC Tone arm. The Quad record business did one great thing for analog audiophiles. The CD4 albums had the surround info encoded on a 40kHz carrier on the albums. The typical elliptical stylus of the day would wipe that signal right off the grooves in just a couple of passes. So the cartridge gurus came up with the line contact styli, Shibata, etc, to allow a larger footprint on the groove surface for less psi , so to speak. This opened the door for the high performance cartridges that we enjoy today! The other big advantage of those stylus shapes is that it is possible to "pick up some fresh vinyl on albums that had been abused with a conical stylus. I had a professional drummer/singer friend and her husband over for dinner the other day. We were listening to some of their favorite music on a "not to shabby" (Levinson) CD transport/DAC. I pulled out a nice copy of Dire Straights "brothers in Arms" and as I dropped the stylus in the groove her mouth dropped open!! They were blown away by what was possible with "the old technology". :o)) Thanks for the pictures and Happy Listening!! Doug Guth, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 ____________________________________ From: TOM BRANNIGAN [mailto:brannigan_tom at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:42 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... Hi Folks, I've never heard of a quadraphonic TT. I have plenty of Quad recordings on vinyl and I knew a couple of good friends who had Quad sound systems in the 1970s. I never recall them having special TTs. I would think I'd remember something like that. Turntables have been a love of mine all my life. I'm not aware of whether or not attachments are possible on this forum, but here's a few pics of some TTs stuff..........where I play my source material for taping. Ciao, Tom Brannigan/ Mt View, Ca. --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Kimo B. Yap wrote: From: Kimo B. Yap Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 11:29 PM > I have a number of quadraphonic and SQ encoded records in my > collection. No decoder, but these records have a funny sense of > stereo when played through normal two-channel systems. I hope to > listen to these records to see how they sounded in their full glory > some day. > I have a Marantz 4400 with the SQ decoder (heck, I even have the CD-400 decoder for the JVC system, but no Shibata (sp?) equipped turntable). 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Just now I am also dropping a few jaws recording onto the Nak off my old Lenco 78 (about 40 years old?) and a modern Rega CD player, through an Eico ST70 tube amp, the amp being almost as old as me! Does it sound good? You betcha! Graham From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Doug Guth Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:20 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... Wow Tom, Those are beauties!! I still use my old Micro Seiki 1500 w/a SAEC Tone arm. The Quad record business did one great thing for analog audiophiles. The CD4 albums had the surround info encoded on a 40kHz carrier on the albums. The typical elliptical stylus of the day would wipe that signal right off the grooves in just a couple of passes. So the cartridge gurus came up with the line contact styli, Shibata, etc, to allow a larger footprint on the groove surface for less psi , so to speak. 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URL: From rjlbjk at verizon.net Fri Nov 7 21:59:41 2008 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:59:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... In-Reply-To: <112a7fe30811070928o7fffa0feq5a31408fe846c5b0@mail.gmail.co m> References: <4912FEB4.2010200@sbcglobal.net> <4913590F.5040309@yahoo.ca> <0MKpCa-1KyDPY0lTk-0007oN@mrelay.perfora.net> <02c301c94068$967c3a30$c374ae90$@com> <84510EEC380948B6A29DFDF1B80CB451@jasona028a1a62> <02f801c94078$05d5f150$1181d3f0$@com> <0K9Y00KSA7DH6242@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> <112a7fe30811070928o7fffa0feq5a31408fe846c5b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0K9Z00EPZEBEW0C1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Max, just think of quadraphonic as being mono with multiple personality disorder! Let me tell you all something. It is rather apparent that the passion in this group is the equipment, even inferior equipment, that plays the music. Talking about SQ, Quadraphonics, 8-trax, rtr all plays the music we enjoy. I love my Dragon and wouldn't sell it for a kidney (well, maybe that) but it plays the same music that my Aiwa AD-6450 recorded did back in 1978. At 12:28 PM 11/7/2008, you wrote: >Quadraphonic is a total Utopia! We can't even conquer the regular >stereo for all these years...Living in MONO. Regards,Max Roland From tbone76doublebass at comcast.net Sat Nov 8 00:07:16 2008 From: tbone76doublebass at comcast.net (tbone76doublebass at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 23:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... In-Reply-To: <190890.28127.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <214327127.324931226099236097.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I am new to the group and if I may speak; I had owned 2 Marantz 4400 Quad Receivers at one time with full SQ Logic Board installed underneath the unit. I had some SQ LPS at the time and all I could say was WOW. That is if u didnt mind being in the middle of a "Company Cast". You could hear solo voices bouncing from left to right to center and from behind u like u were right in the middle of the play. Kinda funny if u ask me but effective. Don Curry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bala Ganesh Chandra" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 9:10:43 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... I have a number of quadraphonic and SQ encoded records in my collection. No decoder, but these records have a funny sense of stereo when played through normal two-channel systems. I hope to listen to these records to see how they sounded in their full glory some day. Kermit, it is a neat idea to sync two Naks to get a quad system, though syncing them would be difficult. Cheers --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Kermit Gray wrote: From: Kermit Gray Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 10:04 AM Hey Graham, Oh wow-o-wow as we used to say. I'm a quadriphonic junkie! If still available I'd like to add your 'phones to my collection of Koss 2+2 quadriphones, Sansui quad receiver, Shure quad cartridge, EV & RadioShack quad decoders, Panasonic quad 8-track player, and Teac A3440 quad reel-to-reel. In the 1970s I made a quad console (the Quadrimaster) but I sold it years ago. I'm building myself another one, though. And don't forget my Quadriphonic Nakamichi 600s (two 600s played simultaneously. Okay so that's a bit of a stretch, but....) On Nov 6, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > Hi Jason > > The phones are an MEP, Model 04-H, Parts Number 23-13782, and made in Japan. > They are heavy weight, closed cups and have what seem to be nylon covered > cushions, black in colour. The cups are a cream colour. (They are a perfect > colour match with my wife's wedding dress but she refused to wear them with > it on the big day - or any other day - even though her First Degree is in > Sound Engineering! You'd have thought she'd have jumped at the chance, but > no ...) They are also very dusty ... > > Does MEP headphones mean anything to anyone? Just curious. > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Stephens [mailto:jason at jstephens38.fsnet.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 12:21 AM > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... > > > Hello Graham, > > Please can you tell me the make and model of the quadraphonic headphones? > > Best regards, > Jason > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From west at netgate.net Sat Nov 8 01:14:58 2008 From: west at netgate.net (Don West) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:14:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A - Learning something about cassette well lamps Message-ID: <000001c94137$099360b0$a501a8c0@hellcat> Did a little research into the lamp, such as for my CR-7A. Maybe some of you know the terminology, but I had not heard "grain of wheat" as a type of lamp. Indeed it describes the tiny lamp with long leads, and Googling it reveals some options. The most interesting I found, since Ron warned that the green cover on the lamp can be hard to remove without damaging it, is at a UK model railroad site. They have "grain of wheat" lamps in red, yellow, and green, as you would use in model signals and buildings. 12vdc, but no reference to the current draw. A bit costly for a tiny lamp; I think the UK pounds worked out to a little over 3 US dollars each (not counting any shipping). I know of a local model railroad shop near me, perhaps I will investigate. And if anyone has a line on the green covers for a clear lamp, do pass that along, too.... From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Nov 8 04:17:33 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:17:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17d5ee910811071917u4afee9b3x9b4a6f074897ff31@mail.gmail.com> Hi, to read CD4 LPs, you need a "special" stereo cartridge with a diamond able to read the high frequencies on the 40kHz carrier, and the decoder to decode the signal. Some used Shibata diamonds, which are hard to find in affordable carts. but some new carts that don't use them can read CD4. SQ4 is like Dolby ProLogic, 4 channels matrixed in two. 2008/11/7 : > Hi Tom, You need to get hold of vintage 4 channel vintage phono cartridge > I think JVC in Japan made them made be other these were designed to pick up > the 4 channel sound information on the quad(4ch) recorded discs made at the > time, the tonearm wiring would be 4 hot wires and 4 ground wires ie. one > hot wire for each channel and one ground wire for each channel . Which would > be front left/right and rear left right channels. So you would have 4 rca > phono plugs attached to the tone arm wires leading from the 4 channel > cartridge. Also you will need a 4 channel amp and 4 ch power amp or two > stereo pre-amps with phono stages MM /MC I dont know if the vintage > cartridges where made with moving coil principle, most likely they were > moving magnet(mm) with high gain to drive the phono stage this two pre-amp > them would be feeding two stereo power amps of your choice this > arrangement would any 4ch decorder would most likely be 4 descrete channel > without any 4 ch decoder , atleast that what my reasoning I could well be > wrong! > > I have never owned a 4 ch cartridge but I do have few 4 channel vintage > record hope to come across a quality 4 ch phono cartridge one day. I can > understand 4 discrete channels but I dont know what SQ 4 channel mean. I > also have a Pioneer 45 rpm 4ch or quadraphonic test record. Thanks! Ali > > In a message dated 11/7/2008 2:15:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dougg at mmsav.com writes: > > Wow Tom, > Those are beauties!! I still use my old Micro Seiki 1500 w/a SAEC Tone > arm. > The Quad record business did one great thing for analog audiophiles. The > CD4 albums had the surround info encoded on a 40kHz carrier on the albums. > The typical elliptical stylus of the day would wipe that signal right off > the grooves in just a couple of passes. So the cartridge gurus came up with > the line contact styli, Shibata, etc, to allow a larger footprint on the > groove surface for less psi , so to speak. This opened the door for the > high performance cartridges that we enjoy today! The other big advantage of > those stylus shapes is that it is possible to "pick up some fresh vinyl on > albums that had been abused with a conical stylus. > > I had a professional drummer/singer friend and her husband over for dinner > the other day. We were listening to some of their favorite music on a "not > to shabby" (Levinson) CD transport/DAC. I pulled out a nice copy of Dire > Straights "brothers in Arms" and as I dropped the stylus in the groove her > mouth dropped open!! They were blown away by what was possible with "the > old technology". :o)) > > Thanks for the pictures and Happy Listening!! > Doug Guth, CTS > Field Service Engineer > Multi Media Services > 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. > Greenville, SC, 29607 > (864) 297-8533 > ________________________________ > From: TOM BRANNIGAN [mailto:brannigan_tom at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:42 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... > > Hi Folks, > > I've never heard of a quadraphonic TT. I have plenty of Quad recordings on > vinyl and I knew a couple of good friends who had Quad sound systems in the > 1970s. I never recall them having special TTs. I would think I'd remember > something like that. Turntables have been a love of mine all my life. > > I'm not aware of whether or not attachments are possible on this forum, but > here's a few pics of some TTs stuff..........where I play my source material > for taping. > > Ciao, Tom Brannigan/ Mt View, Ca. > > --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > > From: Kimo B. Yap > Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 11:29 PM > >> I have a number of quadraphonic and SQ encoded records in my >> collection. No decoder, but these records have a funny sense of >> stereo when played through normal two-channel systems. I hope to >> listen to these records to see how they sounded in their full glory >> some day. >> > I have a Marantz 4400 with the SQ decoder (heck, I even have the > CD-400 decoder for the JVC system, but no Shibata (sp?) equipped > turntable). Nothing to record onto that's quad, though.-kby > -- Antoine Deschênes From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Nov 8 16:15:58 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:15:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak's et all - Equipment or music? In-Reply-To: <0K9Z00EPZEBEW0C1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <4912FEB4.2010200@sbcglobal.net> <4913590F.5040309@yahoo.ca> <0MKpCa-1KyDPY0lTk-0007oN@mrelay.perfora.net> <02c301c94068$967c3a30$c374ae90$@com> <84510EEC380948B6A29DFDF1B80CB451@jasona028a1a62> <02f801c94078$05d5f150$1181d3f0$@com> <0K9Y00KSA7DH6242@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> <112a7fe30811070928o7fffa0feq5a31408fe846c5b0@mail.gmail.com> <0K9Z00EPZEBEW0C1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <006b01c941b4$e89e7fb0$b9db7f10$@com> Max The balance for me is in favour of the music. My excitement for the older equipment is in finding I can get more bang for my Bucks by buying second hand kit (well, mostly second hand - not the cartridges or the phono amp for my TT) and finding the added bonus is also in discovering that there is little difference - in some cases, no difference - in the quality of reproduction between these ageing bits of kit and modern stuff costing many times more. For example, my favourite integrated amp is a Sugden A21, which even the experts, not just me, state sounds much the same as the modern model - just slightly "inferior". But the modern one costs something like £1500 while a mint original model runs in at about £150! In my book that makes the old model a bargain and the new model not really worth the money because the most significant difference between them is that the new one looks nicer and it's got RCA sockets, not DIN! Another example: It was about 20 years ago that I bought my first pre-and power amp combo - a second hand Quad 44 "control" unit and a Quad 405 power amp. It cost me £300. There was nothing new in the hi fi shops they could sell me at £300 that came anywhere close to the quality of sound I got from the Quads. And I doubt most of those young upstart amps in that price bracket won't have held their value like the Quads, either. (They'd fetch about the same now as they did then - in fact a lot more so because I bought a second Quad 405 (for about £70!) and had the entire kit converted so the 44 would control the two 405s that had been converted to run as a mono pair. Mono 405s are rare. Consider that: quality pre-amp with matching monoblocks for £370!!) So, given a limited budget, it just didn't make sense to buy new - nothing to do with loving old kit, but it was that experience that made me realise that, in the World of hi fi, new was not necessarily better! It was then that I began to see some of the snake oil products (although I was subsequently take in by some other sellers of magic potions...) Of course, I do take delight in finding ways to squeeze more out of the older kit by employing tweaks that are often already in modern equipment. For example, some years ago I managed to squeeze more out of my ageing Aiwa 1800 cassette deck by placing a cushion of Sorbothane between the lid of the deck and the cassettes. I took that a stage further by housing some rather substantial caps (a plug-in box) in the power line before the juice reached the deck's own PSU (rather than dare to mess with the PS inside the deck.) It made a difference. And shortly after I'd employed the Sorbothane trick, by coincidence, a cassette deck maker also employed Sorbothane to cushion the door of their deck with the cassette, although their design was a bit neater than mine... (Ahead of my time!) But the real pleasure came for me in being able to *hear* the difference these tweaks made to this old cassette deck in that it then recorded and replayed piano much more realistically than before: So, these little tweaks affected the w/f of the deck such that it made the music more enjoyable. Hence, my "lust" for having a Nakamichi was driven not because of the brand name, not to collect old hi fi equipment, but to obtain the best I could afford for the benefit of hearing more of the music I possess. Before I could buy the Nak, the best I was able to afford was the Pioneer CTS830S, which I picked up brand new at half the usual selling price when the machine was being discontinued. (That was before eBay and such ease of access to 2nd hand Naks.) And I keep it because it's too good to throw away, 2nd hand prices are pitiful anyway, and the FLEX circuit occasionally comes in very handy. Plus, with some piano music on LPs or the old shellac, it is actually the better recorder because of its exceptionally low w/f. What about the Arcam? Well ... yeah, I didn't really need it ... but .... it was only £150 and I was BP hypomanic, which is often when money burns a hole in your pocket! (Anyone here with BP will know exactly what I mean. The rest of you may not have a clue.) And now I've got it ... I just love how it records and replays, in many respects pushing the ZX9 aside.) Hence, while I have (incidentally) collected a few more bits of hi fi than I can use on a regular basis, the largest collection I possess are at least a thousand silver discs, probably two thousand circular bits of the vinyl black stuff, a few hundred of cassettes and a two score of shellac. Oh yeah, and I have one wax cylinder that I promised to Kermit about 2 years ago ... (Sorry, Kermit - I WILL send it eventually!) And most of the LPs and all the 78s were bought 2nd hand from charity shops or at boot/garage sales. So, for me, the equipment is about getting good music reproduction for as little money as I need spend - especially now I can't work and have so little lucre! Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:00 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... Max, just think of quadraphonic as being mono with multiple personality disorder! Let me tell you all something. It is rather apparent that the passion in this group is the equipment, even inferior equipment, that plays the music. Talking about SQ, Quadraphonics, 8-trax, rtr all plays the music we enjoy. I love my Dragon and wouldn't sell it for a kidney (well, maybe that) but it plays the same music that my Aiwa AD-6450 recorded did back in 1978. At 12:28 PM 11/7/2008, you wrote: >Quadraphonic is a total Utopia! We can't even conquer the regular >stereo for all these years...Living in MONO. Regards,Max Roland From mfallon at windstream.net Sat Nov 8 16:26:22 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:26:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell used tapes for sale Message-ID: <20081108092622.3S4OW.118241.root@ispmxfep10-z01> I am selling another batch of Maxell XLII tapes. These are gently used on Nak decks in a smoke free environment and some, if not most, of these tapes haven't been played more than a couple times. Cost of batch is $40 includes postage and also include a 15 tape Case logic carry case. Tapes are... 33 Maxell XLII-90s 12 Maxell XLII-100s 6 Maxell XLII-60s Because of the steep increase in international rates, this offer only good for USA residents. thanks Mike From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Nov 8 19:02:04 2008 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (Walter Drewes) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:02:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Quadrophonics Message-ID: <002101c941cc$1c8bfd40$da6b18ac@MWDrews> A Nakamichi site? Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Nov 8 20:34:00 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:34:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4915E9A8.4090600@verizon.net> I cannot recall a single quad turntable and/or cartridge that got 4 channels directly off records. All systems that I was familiar with (QS, SQ, CD-4) used Stereo cartridges that got just two channels off records. Four channels were then derived from the two channels through further processing. -- Ron BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Tom, You need to get hold of vintage 4 channel vintage > phono cartridge I think JVC in Japan made them made be other these > were designed to pick up the 4 channel sound information on the > quad(4ch) recorded discs made at the time, the tonearm wiring would be > 4 hot wires and 4 ground wires ie. one hot wire for each channel and > one ground wire for each channel . Which would be front left/right and > rear left right channels. So you would have 4 rca phono plugs attached > to the tone arm wires leading from the 4 channel cartridge. Also you > will need a 4 channel amp and 4 ch power amp or two stereo pre-amps > with phono stages MM /MC I dont know if the vintage cartridges where > made with moving coil principle, most likely they were moving > magnet(mm) with high gain to drive the phono stage this two pre-amp > them would be feeding two stereo power amps of your choice this > arrangement would any 4ch decorder would most likely be 4 descrete > channel without any 4 ch decoder , atleast that what my reasoning I > could well be wrong! > > I have never owned a 4 ch cartridge but I do have few 4 channel > vintage record hope to come across a quality 4 ch phono cartridge one > day. I can understand 4 discrete channels but I dont know what SQ 4 > channel mean. I also have a Pioneer 45 rpm 4ch or quadraphonic test > record. Thanks! Ali > > In a message dated 11/7/2008 2:15:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dougg at mmsav.com writes: > > Wow Tom, > Those are beauties!! I still use my old Micro Seiki 1500 w/a > SAEC Tone arm. > The Quad record business did one great thing for analog > audiophiles. The CD4 albums had the surround info encoded on a > 40kHz carrier on the albums. The typical elliptical stylus of the > day would wipe that signal right off the grooves in just a couple > of passes. So the cartridge gurus came up with the line contact > styli, Shibata, etc, to allow a larger footprint on the groove > surface for less psi , so to speak. This opened the door for the > high performance cartridges that we enjoy today! The other big > advantage of those stylus shapes is that it is possible to "pick > up some fresh vinyl on albums that had been abused with a conical > stylus. > > I had a professional drummer/singer friend and her husband over > for dinner the other day. We were listening to some of their > favorite music on a "not to shabby" (Levinson) CD transport/DAC. > I pulled out a nice copy of Dire Straights "brothers in Arms" and > as I dropped the stylus in the groove her mouth dropped open!! > They were blown away by what was possible with "the old > technology". :o)) > > Thanks for the pictures and Happy Listening!! > Doug Guth, CTS > Field Service Engineer > Multi Media Services > 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. > Greenville, SC, 29607 > (864) 297-8533 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* TOM BRANNIGAN [mailto:brannigan_tom at yahoo.com] > *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2008 7:42 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... > > Hi Folks, > > I've never heard of a quadraphonic TT. I have plenty of Quad > recordings on vinyl and I knew a couple of good friends who had > Quad sound systems in the 1970s. I never recall them having > special TTs. I would think I'd remember something like that. > Turntables have been a love of mine all my life. > > I'm not aware of whether or not attachments are possible on this > forum, but here's a few pics of some TTs stuff..........where I > play my source material for taping. > > Ciao, Tom Brannigan/ Mt View, Ca. > > --- On *Thu, 11/6/08, Kimo B. Yap > //* wrote: > > From: Kimo B. Yap > Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 11:29 PM > > > I have a number of quadraphonic and SQ encoded records in my > > collection. No decoder, but these records have a funny sense of > > stereo when played through normal two-channel systems. I hope to > > listen to these records to see how they sounded in their full glory > > some day. > > > I have a Marantz 4400 with the SQ decoder (heck, I even have the > CD-400 decoder for the JVC system, but no Shibata (sp?) equipped > turntable). Nothing to record onto that's quad, though.-kby > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Sat Nov 8 21:13:55 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:13:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... Message-ID: > I cannot recall a single quad turntable and/or cartridge that got > 4 channels directly off records. All systems that I was familiar > with (QS, SQ, CD-4) used Stereo cartridges that got just two > channels off records. Four channels were then derived from the > two channels through further processing. I suppose that might depend on what you consider post-processing. The SQ was L+R/L-R encoded rear info, which I would definitely think of as post-processed. The CD-4 JVC) system you mention (that I was thinking of with the Shibata stylus used a 45KHz carrier—technically it's post processing, but I usually don't think of stereo of MPX as post-processing in that sense (and it's even more post processed in the sense that it's the difference signal where a for the JVC system I think each of the rear channels was separate as they are on stereo vinyl, just mixed with the 45KHz carrier). The obvious problem (which should have been obvious at the time but wasn't to me in my youth) is that neither styli nor vinyl records from which one has to read the 45KHz carrier are probably not particularly long lived...-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmm at math.bu.edu Sat Nov 8 21:43:29 2008 From: dmm at math.bu.edu (Diane Meuser) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:43:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes Message-ID: I was interested in obtaining some 60 minute tapes suitable for recording from records on my Nak deck. 60 minute tapes seem perhaps a bit less available than 90 minute tapes, so I had some questions for anyone who is knowledgeable about tape types. I have been to the following website for tapes: http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/page/bb/CTGY/audio which has been recommended here, but for 60 minute tapes they only carry the Maxell UR-60 and the TDK D-60 (which I don't believe is as good as the TDK SA's and I am assuming the same about the UR-60 vs the Maxell XL II's). I was interested in TDK SA tapes since I had mostly these used in making tapes (although I had also used Maxell XLII) and I wanted something of equal quality to these. Apparently these are harder to find, although I have found some listings of TDK SA and TDK SA-X tapes on Ebay. What is the difference between ones with the X and without the X? Can anyone make some recommendations on 60 minute tapes suitable for audio recordings? Also I was very confused after seeing some TDK SA-X tapes for sale on Ebay. On the one hand there are Ebay sellers selling sealed boxes of 10 TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes for $19 + $10 shipping < $30 (i.e. $3 per tape including shipping), while on the other had there was a recent sale on Ebay of 2 sealed boxes of 10 TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes for a whopping $139 + $6. shipping, which comes to $7.25 per tape !! What gives ? They are both TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes !! There must be something I don't realize about tapes going on here. If anyone can explain what I would be very curious. Thanks for any help, Diane From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sat Nov 8 21:41:41 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:41:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003001c941e2$68427550$38c75ff0$@utah.edu> It's a 30KHz carrier for the CD-4. CD(carrier detect)4 used the same idea as the 19KHz carrier for FM stereo. With the CD-4 decoder you get 4 discrete channels from 2. CD-4 was the best sounding out of all the quads IMHO. Just need a good cartridge to pickup the 30KHz carrier. I have toyed around with the idea of converting a few of my quads to DVD-Audio 4 channel when I get some time. Vic From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kimo B. Yap Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 1:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... I cannot recall a single quad turntable and/or cartridge that got 4 channels directly off records. All systems that I was familiar with (QS, SQ, CD-4) used Stereo cartridges that got just two channels off records. Four channels were then derived from the two channels through further processing. I suppose that might depend on what you consider post-processing. The SQ was L+R/L-R encoded rear info, which I would definitely think of as post-processed. The CD-4 JVC) system you mention (that I was thinking of with the Shibata stylus used a 45KHz carrier-technically it's post processing, but I usually don't think of stereo of MPX as post-processing in that sense (and it's even more post processed in the sense that it's the difference signal where a for the JVC system I think each of the rear channels was separate as they are on stereo vinyl, just mixed with the 45KHz carrier). The obvious problem (which should have been obvious at the time but wasn't to me in my youth) is that neither styli nor vinyl records from which one has to read the 45KHz carrier are probably not particularly long lived...-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gabrenas at math.utah.edu Sat Nov 8 22:41:03 2008 From: gabrenas at math.utah.edu (Victor Gabrenas) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:41:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004d01c941ea$b3760a20$1a621e60$@utah.edu> I still have a few cases of the Sony metal XR C-60s 120 tapes $350.00 10 tapes $35.00 plus shipping Victor M. Gabrenas -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Diane Meuser Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 1:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes I was interested in obtaining some 60 minute tapes suitable for recording from records on my Nak deck. 60 minute tapes seem perhaps a bit less available than 90 minute tapes, so I had some questions for anyone who is knowledgeable about tape types. I have been to the following website for tapes: http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/page/bb/CTGY/audio which has been recommended here, but for 60 minute tapes they only carry the Maxell UR-60 and the TDK D-60 (which I don't believe is as good as the TDK SA's and I am assuming the same about the UR-60 vs the Maxell XL II's). I was interested in TDK SA tapes since I had mostly these used in making tapes (although I had also used Maxell XLII) and I wanted something of equal quality to these. Apparently these are harder to find, although I have found some listings of TDK SA and TDK SA-X tapes on Ebay. What is the difference between ones with the X and without the X? Can anyone make some recommendations on 60 minute tapes suitable for audio recordings? Also I was very confused after seeing some TDK SA-X tapes for sale on Ebay. On the one hand there are Ebay sellers selling sealed boxes of 10 TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes for $19 + $10 shipping < $30 (i.e. $3 per tape including shipping), while on the other had there was a recent sale on Ebay of 2 sealed boxes of 10 TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes for a whopping $139 + $6. shipping, which comes to $7.25 per tape !! What gives ? They are both TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes !! There must be something I don't realize about tapes going on here. If anyone can explain what I would be very curious. Thanks for any help, Diane ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Nov 8 23:11:07 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:11:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49160E7B.2050501@verizon.net> Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> I cannot recall a single quad turntable and/or cartridge that got >> 4 channels directly off records. All systems that I was familiar >> with (QS, SQ, CD-4) used Stereo cartridges that got just two >> channels off records. Four channels were then derived from the >> two channels through further processing. > > I suppose that might depend on what you consider post-processing. The > SQ was L+R/L-R encoded rear info, > which I would definitely think of as post-processed. The CD-4 JVC) > system you mention (that I was thinking > of with the Shibata stylus used a 45KHz carrier—technically it's post > processing, but I usually don't think > of stereo of MPX as post-processing in that sense (and it's even more > post processed in the sense that > it's the difference signal where a for the JVC system I think each of > the rear channels was separate as they > are on stereo vinyl, just mixed with the 45KHz carrier). The obvious > problem (which should have been obvious at the time > but wasn't to me in my youth) is that neither styli nor vinyl records > from which one has to read the 45KHz carrier are > probably not particularly long lived. I believe the CD-4 carrier was 30KHz, not 45KHz. A good stereo cartridge could be used, as long as there was useful response at 30KHz (not necessarily linear). I know for a fact that a standard Shure V15 IV cartridge played CD-4 records very well. CD-4 entails post processing. Not just 'technically', but from any conceivable point of view. In the CD-4 case, this included demodulation (extraction of one signal from another), which was far more processing than any of the matrix systems. As to record longevity, this was -- and still is -- a problem with any LP, including Stereo and mono records. Record life mainly depends on arm, cartridge, and stylus. Given good equipment, I doubt CD-4 records would last less than any other LP played on the same equipment. Yes, the CD-4 system was discrete. Actually, the *only* discrete quad system at the time. -- Ron > ..-kby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Nov 8 23:15:57 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:15:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49160F9D.8080309@verizon.net> I am nor surprised C-60 tapes are rare -- very few people want them. While I can't help with sources, it occurs to me that two C-90 cassettes plus an empty shell can be used to make three C-60 cassettes with little effort. Just a thought :-). -- Ron Diane Meuser wrote: > I was interested in obtaining some 60 minute tapes suitable for > recording from records on my Nak deck. 60 minute tapes seem perhaps > a bit less available than 90 minute tapes, so I had some questions > for anyone who is knowledgeable about tape types. > > I have been to the following website for tapes: > > http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/page/bb/CTGY/audio > > which has been recommended here, but for 60 minute tapes they only > carry the Maxell UR-60 and the TDK D-60 (which I don't believe is as > good as the TDK SA's and I am assuming the same about the UR-60 vs > the Maxell XL II's). > > I was interested in TDK SA tapes since I had mostly these used in > making tapes (although I had also used Maxell XLII) and I wanted > something of equal quality to these. Apparently these are harder to > find, although I have found some listings of TDK SA and TDK SA-X > tapes on Ebay. What is the difference between ones with the X and > without the X? > > Can anyone make some recommendations on 60 minute tapes suitable for > audio recordings? > > Also I was very confused after seeing some TDK SA-X tapes for sale > on Ebay. On the one hand there are Ebay sellers selling sealed > boxes of 10 TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes for $19 + $10 shipping < $30 > (i.e. $3 per tape including shipping), while on the other had there > was a recent sale on Ebay of 2 sealed boxes of 10 TDK SA-X 60 minute > tapes for a whopping $139 + $6. shipping, which comes to $7.25 per > tape !! What gives ? They are both TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes !! > There must be something I don't realize about tapes going on here. > If anyone can explain what I would be very curious. > > Thanks for any help, > > Diane > From emberphoto at hotmail.com Sat Nov 8 23:33:59 2008 From: emberphoto at hotmail.com (Steve Ember) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:33:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Diane, Having used all of the tapes you mention for various types of recordings on several models of Nakamichi, as well as high-end Aiwa and Sony decks, I would offer the following points: 1. My feeling has always been that a deck properly set up for even the "lowly" TDK D-60, as to bias, level, and -- very importantly -- Dolby operating level can blow the doors off of more premium formulations when such criteria are not observed. I don't offer that as a justification for using "cheap tapes," merely to address criteria of set-up as it relates to actual results that just doesn't seem to get much coverage. I also base these observations on A-B monitoring off the tape when recording on three-head decks, or A-B comparison playing recordings made on 2-head decks "in sync" with the original source (in this case, CDs.) 2. Naturally, all the manufacturers' spec sheets show increasing levels of performance as you go up the ladder from Type I to Type II (as in TDK SA and SA-X) to Metal, and you should thus expect -- when all parameters are properly set -- some extended high end performance, lower residual hiss, etc. with the higher echelons of tape. When I refer to parameters, understand, I'm referring to correct internal set-up that takes into consideration those in-out level factors. Mis-tracking Dolby circuits can do more to muck up a recording's high frequencies than all the spec-sheet hair-splitting in the world of audio experts and tape conoisseurs. (Hope that doesn't get me blackballed from Nak-Talk, but it's based on years and years of discerning use of quality decks, including in a professional setting.) It is for that reason that I ask my tape deck techs to set the deck internally for each of my "primary" tapes in Types I, II, and IV, in the case of those machines, like the better Naks that offer such individual calibrations. I'll also ask, in the case of machines with bias knobs on the front panel, for recommended settings (i.e. 9 o'clock) for those "other" tapes whose bias falls at the 12 o'clock detent on the knob. That way, I have a "ball-park" for using a variety of tapes. Understand, also, that backing off or increasing bias with a front panel knob, will not overcome the potential of Dolby mis-tracking if the "other" tape has a different sensitivity from your primary tape -- even 2 dB! Plus, of course, there's that very trusted final test instrument -- our ears. Oh, yes, don't forget azimuth, which can also be a nasty little high-frequency "robber" when you have multiple decks. Ooh, don't get me started on that! 3. You didn't mention what kind of music you are recording off of your LPs. High frequency spectrum can also be a deciding factor. To put it another way, on a typical well-cared-for symphonic disc, there may be no real audible advantage to Type II over Type I -- again assuming quality decks and proper set-up -- inasmuch as classical music played by a symphony orchestra has an entirely different distribution of high frequencies from, say, synth-heavy music. Even having said that, I can't tell you how many times I've been impressed by how a properly set deck even using basic D-60 or Maxell Type I Duplicator stock can handle such demanding material. Before the tape gurus jump on my case...sure, there are other advantages to using more premium formulations, which usually means the step up from basic Type I to Types II and IV -- more precision build to the shell, resonance damping construction, ceramic guides...on and on. But the practical side gets back to your particular application. Is your music classical? Are your vinyl discs reasonably pristine? Are you recording for home use or in the car? Both? Just some food for thought from someone who probably faced a lot of the same questions at one time. My advice: 1. If cost is a factor, buy a small quantity of those basic Type I tapes and try them out on your deck(s). 2. Since you've had good experiences with TDK SA and Maxell XLII, buy some of those as well. Then, run your own careful listening tests. Can YOU hear a difference on YOUR material? I have many TDK D-series Type I tapes, recorded over many years, mainly on Aiwa 6900-series decks. I even used C-120s of this formulation to record air-checks of my radio programs from FM. The Aiwas were, and continue to be, wonderful for optimizing bias with their two-tone calibration process. And, of course, I let my tech know I wanted the Type I internal settings optimized for TDK I and the corresponding tape from Maxell. I can still listen to audiophile-calibre vinyl recorded on those D cassettes and smile. Doesn't mean I don't use large quantities of premium formulations, mainly Types II and IV, but I hope I've made my point. 3. On most decks, my experience has been the "step-up" Type II tapes, whether TDK SA-X or Maxell's equivalent, require slightly increased bias to compensate for their rising high ends. Again, depending on the deck, your speakers, and your hearing, they may prove "interchangeable," without readjusting bias, but my guess is, you'll hear a slightly "silkier" high end, another way of saying it's giving you more highs out than you put in ;-) 4. As to difference in ebay selling price for ostensibly the same formulation...Ever hear of "whatever the market will bear?" There again, it's coming down to supply and demand. There's still cassette tape being made, but my gut instinct is to put more trust in TDK or Maxell cassettes actually made in Japan, even if older stock. With whatever analog renaissance is taking place, certain tapes do seem to emerge the "darlings" of serious tape enthusiasts, and will, therefore command "collectors' prices," especially as supplies fall off. As you've taken up the Nakamichi mantle, you are at least somewhat in that category. But again, trust your ears...and also find a serious tape deck technician you can trust to do the full internal calibration procedures Nakamichi specifies. Whew, there's a mouthful. I hope you found some usable wisdom in it. As to recommendations for C-60 tapes. If you'll contact me off-list (emberphoto at hotmail.com), I just might have what you need in my stock of both Type I and Type II cassettes. Truth is, most of my present recording needs fall more into the C-90 or C-100 capacities. Also, I bought copious stocks of C-60s when I was still sending out voicing and production samples on cassette (long since superceded by CD-R), so I have a large stock of high quality C-60s I would gladly part with in order to free up some space on my shelves. Kind regards, Steve Ember > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:43:29 -0500> From: dmm at math.bu.edu> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes> > > I was interested in obtaining some 60 minute tapes suitable for> recording from records on my Nak deck. 60 minute tapes seem perhaps> a bit less available than 90 minute tapes, so I had some questions> for anyone who is knowledgeable about tape types.> > I have been to the following website for tapes:> > http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/page/bb/CTGY/audio> > which has been recommended here, but for 60 minute tapes they only> carry the Maxell UR-60 and the TDK D-60 (which I don't believe is as> good as the TDK SA's and I am assuming the same about the UR-60 vs> the Maxell XL II's).> > I was interested in TDK SA tapes since I had mostly these used in> making tapes (although I had also used Maxell XLII) and I wanted> something of equal quality to these. Apparently these are harder to> find, although I have found some listings of TDK SA and TDK SA-X> tapes on Ebay. What is the difference between ones with the X and> without the X?> > Can anyone make some recommendations on 60 minute tapes suitable for> audio recordings?> > Also I was very confused after seeing some TDK SA-X tapes for sale> on Ebay. On the one hand there are Ebay sellers selling sealed> boxes of 10 TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes for $19 + $10 shipping < $30> (i.e. $3 per tape including shipping), while on the other had there> was a recent sale on Ebay of 2 sealed boxes of 10 TDK SA-X 60 minute> tapes for a whopping $139 + $6. shipping, which comes to $7.25 per> tape !! What gives ? They are both TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes !!> There must be something I don't realize about tapes going on here.> If anyone can explain what I would be very curious.> > Thanks for any help,> > Diane> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Sat Nov 8 23:50:58 2008 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:50:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 550 / 600 spares / swap Message-ID: <97DA1ED0-6656-4FA6-B53A-C8FB9CB882C9@thegreatbear.net> Hi I've got some 600 spares I don't really need, meters, most of the transport with heads, silver front panel etc and some more bits and pieces I'm happy to donate to naktalk members for postage costs only. I'm happy to send around the world - Let me know what bits you might need... Also does anyone have a spare motor d/d convertor / govenor board for a 550? Mine emits an odd ticking sound when in play and the play speed slowly decreased until it stops after 10 secs. FF and RW are OK though... thanks adrian From brannigan_tom at yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 00:02:15 2008 From: brannigan_tom at yahoo.com (TOM BRANNIGAN) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:02:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... In-Reply-To: <49160E7B.2050501@verizon.net> Message-ID: <149742.98142.qm@web58103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> "......As to record longevity, this was -- and still is --  a problem with any LP, including Stereo and mono records. Record life mainly depends on arm, cartridge, and stylus. Given good equipment, I doubt CD-4 records would last less than any other LP played on the same equipment......" Ron, You touched upon a subject that I'm a bit passionate about. I'm constantly reading or hearing about how imperfect vinyl playback is supposed to be as opposed to those little shiny beer coasters. The Shure cartridge you mention is a great little cartridge. It's been a "Giant Killer" for years. For the most part, I doubt you'll play a single record more than 20 or 30 times in your life time. The Shure will cause next to nothing as far as groove wear over that many playings. I'm on the fringe (as usual).....my collection of cartridges are well worth more than twice the going price of my Toyota Camry. If there are any frequency or groove wear parameters that need to be met, my Koetsu Urishi, Benz Ruby II, Shelter 5000, or Lyra Helikon Mono LOMCs will easily meet them. Playing any of my 3300 LPs repeatedly is as safe as pressing the auto repeat on your CDP. There is NOTHING perishable about the vinyl medium. My records, if taken care of by future generations, will be free from decomposition for tens of thousands of years......playing 1970s CD4-vinyl with ease!! Are we really sure how long our digital discs are going to keep their musical data? PS: I'm just floored about my NAKs recording of one of Pierre Monteux's London "BlueBacks"............Debussy and Ravel........the tape captures that great spatial sense of the recording venue. CDs just aren't there yet. Tom Brannigan --- On Sat, 11/8/08, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 2:11 PM Kimo B. Yap wrote: I cannot recall a single quad turntable and/or cartridge that got 4 channels directly off records. All systems that I was familiar with (QS, SQ, CD-4) used Stereo cartridges that got just two channels off records. Four channels were then derived from the two channels through further processing. I suppose that might depend on what you consider post-processing. The SQ was L+R/L-R encoded rear info, which I would definitely think of as post-processed. The CD-4 JVC) system you mention (that I was thinking of with the Shibata stylus used a 45KHz carrier—technically it's post processing, but I usually don't think of stereo of MPX as post-processing in that sense (and it's even more post processed in the sense that it's the difference signal where a for the JVC system I think each of the rear channels was separate as they are on stereo vinyl, just mixed with the 45KHz  carrier). The obvious problem (which should have been obvious at the time but wasn't to me in my youth) is that neither styli nor vinyl records  from which one has to read the 45KHz carrier are probably not particularly long lived. I believe the CD-4 carrier was 30KHz, not 45KHz. A good stereo cartridge could be used, as long as there was useful response at 30KHz (not necessarily linear). I know for a fact that a standard Shure V15 IV cartridge played CD-4 records very well. CD-4 entails post processing. Not just 'technically', but from any conceivable point of view. In the CD-4 case, this included demodulation (extraction of one signal from another), which was far more processing than any of the matrix systems. As to record longevity, this was -- and still is --  a problem with any LP, including Stereo and mono records. Record life mainly depends on arm, cartridge, and stylus. Given good equipment, I doubt CD-4 records would last less than any other LP played on the same equipment. Yes, the CD-4 system was discrete. Actually, the only discrete quad system at the time. -- Ron ..-kby ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ehcmisc1 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 05:36:08 2008 From: ehcmisc1 at yahoo.com (Ed Conrow) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:36:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Maxell used tapes for sale In-Reply-To: <20081108092622.3S4OW.118241.root@ispmxfep10-z01> Message-ID: <336793.48218.qm@web45407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mike:   I'll take this batch of 51 tapes as well.  You can ship the extra cases and parts in the same package.  If you can throw in a few TDK SA tapes since I'm a return customer I'd appreciate that.  Please confirm. Thanks.   Regards, Ed Conrow --- On Sat, 11/8/08, mfallon at windstream.net wrote: From: mfallon at windstream.net Subject: [naktalk] Maxell used tapes for sale To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 7:26 AM I am selling another batch of Maxell XLII tapes. These are gently used on Nak decks in a smoke free environment and some, if not most, of these tapes haven't been played more than a couple times. Cost of batch is $40 includes postage and also include a 15 tape Case logic carry case. Tapes are... 33 Maxell XLII-90s 12 Maxell XLII-100s 6 Maxell XLII-60s Because of the steep increase in international rates, this offer only good for USA residents. thanks Mike ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ehcmisc1 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 05:42:09 2008 From: ehcmisc1 at yahoo.com (Ed Conrow) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:42:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes In-Reply-To: <004d01c941ea$b3760a20$1a621e60$@utah.edu> Message-ID: <866019.12245.qm@web45402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Victor:   Do you have available for sale any Sony metal XR C90s or C100s?   Regards, Ed Conrow --- On Sat, 11/8/08, Victor Gabrenas wrote: From: Victor Gabrenas Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 1:41 PM I still have a few cases of the Sony metal XR C-60s 120 tapes $350.00 10 tapes $35.00 plus shipping Victor M. Gabrenas -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Diane Meuser Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 1:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes I was interested in obtaining some 60 minute tapes suitable for recording from records on my Nak deck. 60 minute tapes seem perhaps a bit less available than 90 minute tapes, so I had some questions for anyone who is knowledgeable about tape types. I have been to the following website for tapes: http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/page/bb/CTGY/audio which has been recommended here, but for 60 minute tapes they only carry the Maxell UR-60 and the TDK D-60 (which I don't believe is as good as the TDK SA's and I am assuming the same about the UR-60 vs the Maxell XL II's). I was interested in TDK SA tapes since I had mostly these used in making tapes (although I had also used Maxell XLII) and I wanted something of equal quality to these. Apparently these are harder to find, although I have found some listings of TDK SA and TDK SA-X tapes on Ebay. What is the difference between ones with the X and without the X? Can anyone make some recommendations on 60 minute tapes suitable for audio recordings? Also I was very confused after seeing some TDK SA-X tapes for sale on Ebay. On the one hand there are Ebay sellers selling sealed boxes of 10 TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes for $19 + $10 shipping < $30 (i.e. $3 per tape including shipping), while on the other had there was a recent sale on Ebay of 2 sealed boxes of 10 TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes for a whopping $139 + $6. shipping, which comes to $7.25 per tape !! What gives ? They are both TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes !! There must be something I don't realize about tapes going on here. If anyone can explain what I would be very curious. 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URL: From mfallon at windstream.net Sun Nov 9 12:34:33 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 5:34:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell used tapes for sale In-Reply-To: <20081108092622.3S4OW.118241.root@ispmxfep10-z01> Message-ID: <20081109053433.02QRC.129428.root@ispmxfep10-z01> Tapes are spoken for. I'll have another in a few days. thanks, Mike ---- mfallon at windstream.net wrote: > I am selling another batch of Maxell XLII tapes. These are gently used on Nak decks in a smoke free environment and some, if not most, of these tapes haven't been played more than a couple times. > > > Cost of batch is $40 includes postage and also include a 15 tape Case logic carry case. > > Tapes are... > 33 Maxell XLII-90s > 12 Maxell XLII-100s > 6 Maxell XLII-60s > > Because of the steep increase in international rates, this offer only good for USA residents. > > thanks > Mike > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 16:15:33 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 07:15:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <710586.52074.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve, Nice reading your article made. So right you are. A nice break from all the quadraphonic noise here lately. Finally back to tapes and Naks and decks! Regards, Ram --- On Sat, 11/8/08, Steve Ember wrote: From: Steve Ember Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes To: "Nakamichi Talk" Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 5:33 PM #yiv1770460119 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1770460119 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Hello Diane,   Having used all of the tapes you mention for various types of recordings on several models of Nakamichi, as well as high-end Aiwa and Sony decks, I would offer the following points:   1. My feeling has always been that a deck properly set up for even the "lowly" TDK D-60, as to bias, level, and -- very importantly -- Dolby operating level can blow the doors off of more premium formulations when such criteria are not observed.  I don't offer that as a justification for using "cheap tapes," merely to address criteria of set-up as it relates to actual results that just doesn't seem to get much coverage.  I also base these observations on A-B monitoring off the tape when recording on three-head decks, or A-B comparison playing recordings made on 2-head decks "in sync" with the original source (in this case, CDs.)   2. Naturally, all the manufacturers' spec sheets show increasing levels of performance as you go up the ladder from Type I to Type II (as in TDK SA and SA-X) to Metal, and you should thus expect -- when all parameters are properly set -- some extended high end performance, lower residual hiss, etc. with the higher echelons of tape. When I refer to parameters, understand, I'm referring to correct internal set-up that takes into consideration those in-out level factors.  Mis-tracking Dolby circuits can do more to muck up a recording's high frequencies than all the spec-sheet hair-splitting in the world of audio experts and tape conoisseurs. (Hope that doesn't get me blackballed from Nak-Talk, but it's based on years and years of discerning use of quality decks, including in a professional setting.)  It is for that reason that I ask my tape deck techs to set the deck internally for each of my "primary" tapes in Types I, II, and IV, in the case of those machines, like the better Naks that offer such individual calibrations.  I'll also ask, in the case of machines with bias knobs on the front panel, for recommended settings (i.e. 9 o'clock) for those "other" tapes whose bias falls at the 12 o'clock detent on the knob.  That way, I have a "ball-park" for using a variety of tapes.  Understand, also, that backing off or increasing bias with a front panel knob, will not overcome the potential of Dolby mis-tracking if the "other" tape has a different sensitivity from your primary tape -- even 2 dB!  Plus, of course, there's that very trusted final test instrument -- our ears. Oh, yes, don't forget azimuth, which can also be a nasty little high-frequency "robber" when you have multiple decks.  Ooh, don't get me started on that!   3. You didn't mention what kind of music you are recording off of your LPs.  High frequency spectrum can also be a deciding factor.  To put it another way, on a typical well-cared-for symphonic disc, there may be no real audible advantage to Type II over Type I -- again assuming quality decks and proper set-up -- inasmuch as classical music played by a symphony orchestra has an entirely different distribution of high frequencies from, say, synth-heavy music.  Even having said that, I can't tell you how many times I've been impressed by how a properly set deck even using basic D-60 or Maxell Type I Duplicator stock can handle such demanding material.   Before the tape gurus jump on my case...sure, there are other advantages to using more premium formulations, which usually means the step up from basic Type I to Types II and IV -- more precision build to the shell, resonance damping construction, ceramic guides...on and on.  But the practical side gets back to your particular application.  Is your music classical?  Are your vinyl discs reasonably pristine?  Are you recording for home use or in the car?  Both?   Just some food for thought from someone who probably faced a lot of the same questions at one time.   My advice:   1. If cost is a factor, buy a small quantity of those basic Type I tapes and try them out on your deck(s).   2. Since you've had good experiences with TDK SA and Maxell XLII, buy some of those as well.  Then, run your own careful listening tests.  Can YOU hear a difference on YOUR material? I have many TDK D-series Type I tapes, recorded over many years, mainly on Aiwa 6900-series decks.  I even used C-120s of this formulation to record air-checks of my radio programs from FM.  The Aiwas were, and continue to be, wonderful for optimizing bias with their two-tone calibration process.  And, of course, I let my tech know I wanted the Type I internal settings optimized for TDK I and the corresponding tape from Maxell.  I can still listen to audiophile-calibre vinyl recorded on those D cassettes and smile.  Doesn't mean I don't use large quantities of premium formulations, mainly Types II and IV, but I hope I've made my point.   3. On most decks, my experience has been the "step-up" Type II tapes, whether TDK SA-X or Maxell's equivalent, require slightly increased bias to compensate for their rising high ends.  Again, depending on the deck, your speakers, and your hearing, they may prove "interchangeable," without readjusting bias, but my guess is, you'll hear a slightly "silkier" high end, another way of saying it's giving you more highs out than you put in ;-)   4. As to difference in ebay selling price for ostensibly the same formulation...Ever hear of "whatever the market will bear?" There again, it's coming down to supply and demand.  There's still cassette tape being made, but my gut instinct is to put more trust in TDK or Maxell cassettes actually made in Japan, even if older stock.  With whatever analog renaissance is taking place, certain tapes do seem to emerge the "darlings" of serious tape enthusiasts, and will, therefore command "collectors' prices," especially as supplies fall off.  As you've taken up the Nakamichi mantle, you are at least somewhat in that category.  But again, trust your ears...and also find a serious tape deck technician you can trust to do the full internal calibration procedures Nakamichi specifies.   Whew, there's a mouthful.  I hope you found some usable wisdom in it.   As to recommendations for C-60 tapes.  If you'll contact me off-list (emberphoto at hotmail.com), I just might have what you need in my stock of both Type I and Type II cassettes.  Truth is, most of my present recording needs fall more into the C-90 or C-100 capacities.  Also, I bought copious stocks of C-60s when I was still sending out voicing and production samples on cassette (long since superceded by CD-R), so I have a large stock of high quality C-60s I would gladly part with in order to free up some space on my shelves.   Kind regards,   Steve Ember > Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:43:29 -0500 > From: dmm at math.bu.edu > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes > > > I was interested in obtaining some 60 minute tapes suitable for > recording from records on my Nak deck. 60 minute tapes seem perhaps > a bit less available than 90 minute tapes, so I had some questions > for anyone who is knowledgeable about tape types. > > I have been to the following website for tapes: > > http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/page/bb/CTGY/audio > > which has been recommended here, but for 60 minute tapes they only > carry the Maxell UR-60 and the TDK D-60 (which I don't believe is as > good as the TDK SA's and I am assuming the same about the UR-60 vs > the Maxell XL II's). > > I was interested in TDK SA tapes since I had mostly these used in > making tapes (although I had also used Maxell XLII) and I wanted > something of equal quality to these. Apparently these are harder to > find, although I have found some listings of TDK SA and TDK SA-X > tapes on Ebay. What is the difference between ones with the X and > without the X? > > Can anyone make some recommendations on 60 minute tapes suitable for > audio recordings? > > Also I was very confused after seeing some TDK SA-X tapes for sale > on Ebay. On the one hand there are Ebay sellers selling sealed > boxes of 10 TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes for $19 + $10 shipping < $30 > (i.e. $3 per tape including shipping), while on the other had there > was a recent sale on Ebay of 2 sealed boxes of 10 TDK SA-X 60 minute > tapes for a whopping $139 + $6. shipping, which comes to $7.25 per > tape !! What gives ? They are both TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes !! > There must be something I don't realize about tapes going on here. > If anyone can explain what I would be very curious. > > Thanks for any help, > > Diane > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tbone76doublebass at comcast.net Sun Nov 9 18:02:57 2008 From: tbone76doublebass at comcast.net (tbone76doublebass at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes In-Reply-To: <49160F9D.8080309@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1887958876.475451226250177932.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Correct me if I'm wrong. I think the 60 minute tapes may have a different formulation then 90 minute tapes. Print thru isn't as prone on the 60's and they may in general have a larger dynamic range then a typical 90 minute tape. Don Curry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 2:15:57 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes I am nor surprised C-60 tapes are rare -- very few people want them. While I can't help with sources, it occurs to me that two C-90 cassettes plus an empty shell can be used to make three C-60 cassettes with little effort. Just a thought  :-). -- Ron Diane Meuser wrote: >         I was interested in obtaining some 60 minute tapes suitable for >         recording from records on my Nak deck. 60 minute tapes seem perhaps >         a bit less available than 90 minute tapes, so I had some questions >         for anyone who is knowledgeable about tape types. > >          I have been to the following website for tapes: > >              http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/page/bb/CTGY/audio > >         which has been recommended here, but for 60 minute tapes they only >         carry the Maxell UR-60 and the TDK D-60 (which I don't believe is as >         good as the TDK SA's and I am assuming the same about the UR-60 vs >         the Maxell XL II's). > >         I was interested in TDK SA tapes since I had mostly these used in >         making tapes (although I had also used Maxell XLII) and I wanted >         something of equal quality to these. Apparently these are harder to >         find, although I have found some listings of TDK SA and TDK SA-X >         tapes on Ebay.  What is the difference between ones with the X and >         without the X? > >         Can anyone make some recommendations on 60 minute tapes suitable for >         audio recordings? > >         Also I was very confused after seeing some TDK SA-X tapes for sale >         on Ebay.  On the one hand there are Ebay sellers selling sealed >         boxes of 10 TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes for $19 + $10 shipping < $30 >         (i.e. $3 per tape including shipping), while on the other had there >         was a recent sale on Ebay of 2 sealed boxes of 10 TDK SA-X 60 minute >         tapes for a whopping $139 + $6. shipping, which comes to $7.25 per >         tape !! What gives ?  They are both TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes !! >         There must be something I don't realize about tapes going on here. >         If anyone can explain what I would be very curious. > >                                   Thanks for any help, > >                                   Diane >   ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From albert.k at gmail.com Sun Nov 9 17:51:47 2008 From: albert.k at gmail.com (Albert Khurshudian) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:51:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem, needs help from the Pro. Message-ID: <4f34081e0811090851o6c26de3du6eee9fa6b69dc104@mail.gmail.com> To All who can help... Hi, I have a nice ZX-9 I bought from someone. It has an issue with the main motor. It just does not spin. I am not familiar with the correct terminology, but for me it looks like a direct or linear motor. I have a multimeter and a solder gun. Also got the service manual. I have some electronic parts and can do a simple job. Does anybody can help to bring the nice deck back to life?? I am pretty sure someone here can exactly tell what needs to be replaced or where to look. Please, please help. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at duplication.ca Sun Nov 9 18:42:20 2008 From: george at duplication.ca (George Frehner) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:42:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes In-Reply-To: <1887958876.475451226250177932.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1887958876.475451226250177932.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <491720FC.5040703@duplication.ca> Hi, I am new on the list. I have couple Naks and I still do custom-loading of tape. The 90 minute tape has a thinner base (so more print-through). George tbone76doublebass at comcast.net wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong. I think the 60 minute tapes may have a > different formulation then 90 minute tapes. > > Print thru isn't as prone on the 60's and they may in general have a > larger dynamic range then a typical > > 90 minute tape. > > Don Curry > ----- Original Message ----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: george.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 310 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ehcmisc1 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 18:46:56 2008 From: ehcmisc1 at yahoo.com (Ed Conrow) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:46:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Maxell used tapes for sale In-Reply-To: <20081109053433.02QRC.129428.root@ispmxfep10-z01> Message-ID: <442972.80566.qm@web45402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mike:   Please hold them for me and email me first--am particularly looking for TEAC TDK-SA tapes but may take Maxell tapes.   Regards, Ed --- On Sun, 11/9/08, mfallon at windstream.net wrote: From: mfallon at windstream.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maxell used tapes for sale To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 3:34 AM Tapes are spoken for. I'll have another in a few days. thanks, Mike ---- mfallon at windstream.net wrote: > I am selling another batch of Maxell XLII tapes. These are gently used on Nak decks in a smoke free environment and some, if not most, of these tapes haven't been played more than a couple times. > > > Cost of batch is $40 includes postage and also include a 15 tape Case logic carry case. > > Tapes are... > 33 Maxell XLII-90s > 12 Maxell XLII-100s > 6 Maxell XLII-60s > > Because of the steep increase in international rates, this offer only good for USA residents. > > thanks > Mike > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sun Nov 9 21:56:20 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:56:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 550 / 600 spares / swap In-Reply-To: <97DA1ED0-6656-4FA6-B53A-C8FB9CB882C9@thegreatbear.net> References: <97DA1ED0-6656-4FA6-B53A-C8FB9CB882C9@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <8A3E279C-DBF4-4E57-941F-14682C73531B@kvglabs.com> Hi Arian, I am missing a few knobs and transport keys for a silver machine, and a silver front panel would be appreciated! Gotta keep my 600s looking and sounding great! On Nov 8, 2008, at 4:50 PM, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: > Hi > > I've got some 600 spares I don't really need, meters, most of the > transport with heads, silver front panel etc and some more bits and > pieces I'm happy to donate to naktalk members for postage costs > only. I'm happy to send around the world - Let me know what bits you > might need... > > Also does anyone have a spare motor d/d convertor / govenor board > for a 550? > Mine emits an odd ticking sound when in play and the play speed > slowly decreased until it stops after 10 secs. FF and RW are OK > though... > > thanks > > adrian > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From ra.ah at verizon.net Sun Nov 9 19:49:12 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:49:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes In-Reply-To: <1887958876.475451226250177932.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1887958876.475451226250177932.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <491730A8.20005@verizon.net> tbone76doublebass at comcast.net wrote: > > Correct me if I'm wrong. I think the 60 minute tapes may have a > different formulation then 90 minute tapes. > Well, let's see... Manufacturers designate each formulation. Why would they mislead their customers by using the same designation for different formulations? IOW, why would TDK use the same 'SA' for different formulations, because of the base thickness? Neither of us knows for sure. You believe they do, I do not. > > Print thru isn't as prone on the 60's > That's true, in theory. Yet, I use C-90, C-100, C-110 and [gasp] C-120 on a regular basis, yet have no print through problems, .including cassettes that have been sitting on the shelf for over 25 years. > > and they may in general have a larger dynamic range then a typical > > 90 minute tape. > I am not a great believer in vague technological terms. They *'may'?* Larger than a '*typical' *tape*. *What is the dynamic range of a 'typical' C-90 tape? Do you have a specific number in mind (because, to be honest, I don't)? On the same PB equipment, dynamic range is a function of the tape formulation. AFAIK, there is no reason why a tape would have a wider dynamic range if it has been coated onto a thicker base. If this is incorrect, I am genuinely interested in knowing why. OTOH, C-60 tape have a shortcoming; namely: short playing time. This may be OK for material consisting of several 3 minute songs (even then, one has to get up and swap or flip a cassette too often). It's an absolute drag for classical music -- opera and the like. For this reason, I own just a few C-60 cassettes and many of those are still blank, after a long time. YMMV. -- Ron > Don Curry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2008 2:15:57 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes > > > I am nor surprised C-60 tapes are rare -- very few people want them. > > While I can't help with sources, it occurs to me that two C-90 cassettes > plus an empty shell can be used to make three C-60 cassettes with > little effort. > > Just a thought :-). > > -- Ron > > > > > Diane Meuser wrote: > > I was interested in obtaining some 60 minute tapes suitable for > > recording from records on my Nak deck. 60 minute tapes seem > perhaps > > a bit less available than 90 minute tapes, so I had some > questions > > for anyone who is knowledgeable about tape types. > > > > I have been to the following website for tapes: > > > > http://www.batteriesandbutter.com/page/bb/CTGY/audio > > > > which has been recommended here, but for 60 minute tapes > they only > > carry the Maxell UR-60 and the TDK D-60 (which I don't > believe is as > > good as the TDK SA's and I am assuming the same about the > UR-60 vs > > the Maxell XL II's). > > > > I was interested in TDK SA tapes since I had mostly these > used in > > making tapes (although I had also used Maxell XLII) and I wanted > > something of equal quality to these. Apparently these are > harder to > > find, although I have found some listings of TDK SA and TDK SA-X > > tapes on Ebay. What is the difference between ones with the > X and > > without the X? > > > > Can anyone make some recommendations on 60 minute tapes > suitable for > > audio recordings? > > > > Also I was very confused after seeing some TDK SA-X tapes > for sale > > on Ebay. On the one hand there are Ebay sellers selling sealed > > boxes of 10 TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes for $19 + $10 shipping > < $30 > > (i.e. $3 per tape including shipping), while on the other > had there > > was a recent sale on Ebay of 2 sealed boxes of 10 TDK SA-X > 60 minute > > tapes for a whopping $139 + $6. shipping, which comes to > $7.25 per > > tape !! What gives ? They are both TDK SA-X 60 minute tapes !! > > There must be something I don't realize about tapes going on > here. > > If anyone can explain what I would be very curious. > > > > Thanks for any help, > > > > Diane > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOEING747600 at aol.com Sun Nov 9 20:56:37 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:56:37 EST Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem, needs help from the Pro. Message-ID: Hi There! Relax! I have no doubt! our in house guru Tom will come to you rescue in due time!:) with the correct diagnosis. Ali In a message dated 11/9/2008 12:11:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, albert.k at gmail.com writes: To All who can help... Hi, I have a nice ZX-9 I bought from someone. It has an issue with the main motor. It just does not spin. I am not familiar with the correct terminology, but for me it looks like a direct or linear motor. I have a multimeter and a solder gun. Also got the service manual. I have some electronic parts and can do a simple job. Does anybody can help to bring the nice deck back to life?? I am pretty sure someone here can exactly tell what needs to be replaced or where to look. Please, please help. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adrian at thegreatbear.net Sun Nov 9 22:42:47 2008 From: adrian at thegreatbear.net (adrian at thegreatbear.net) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:42:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 550 / 600 spares / swap In-Reply-To: <8A3E279C-DBF4-4E57-941F-14682C73531B@kvglabs.com> References: <97DA1ED0-6656-4FA6-B53A-C8FB9CB882C9@thegreatbear.net> <8A3E279C-DBF4-4E57-941F-14682C73531B@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: Hi Kermit Thanks for the email - I'll check tomorrow exactly what I've got and post a list on the mailing list - I'll give you first goes at the knobs and front panel.. Just to way - I've really enjoyed reading your informed posts at naktalk over the years.. Regards adrian ---------------------------------------- Adrian Finn GREATBEAR Unit 11 The Coach House 2 Upper York St. Bristol, BS2 8QN 0117 985 0500 07958 955562 adrian at thegreatbear.net www.thegreatbear.net On 9 Nov 2008, at 20:56, Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Arian, > > I am missing a few knobs and transport keys for a silver machine, > and a silver front panel would be appreciated! Gotta keep my 600s > looking and sounding great! > > On Nov 8, 2008, at 4:50 PM, adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I've got some 600 spares I don't really need, meters, most of the >> transport with heads, silver front panel etc and some more bits and >> pieces I'm happy to donate to naktalk members for postage costs >> only. I'm happy to send around the world - Let me know what bits >> you might need... >> >> Also does anyone have a spare motor d/d convertor / govenor board >> for a 550? >> Mine emits an odd ticking sound when in play and the play speed >> slowly decreased until it stops after 10 secs. FF and RW are OK >> though... >> >> thanks >> >> adrian >> >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 23:00:56 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:00:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes In-Reply-To: <491720FC.5040703@duplication.ca> Message-ID: <146989.90285.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> George et al, There are many who swear that a 90 minute tape sounds much much better than a 60 minute tape. I personally have seen no difference between 60/90 versions of the same formulations on the same decks.Of course, I did not do a double blind study or anything. Print through may also depend on the particular tapes quality, the way in which it was stored, the record head's alignment, the recorded level besides the tape's saturation. I use 60/90 and 100 pretty successfully with no issues at all. In fact i hate the 46 minute kind, due to its quick ending. Have a nice week folks. Ram --- On Sun, 11/9/08, George Frehner wrote: From: George Frehner Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 12:42 PM Hi, I am new on the list. I have couple Naks and I still do custom-loading of tape. The 90 minute tape has a thinner base (so more print-through). George tbone76doublebass at comcast.net wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong. I think the 60 minute tapes may have a different formulation then 90 minute tapes. > > Print thru isn't as prone on the 60's and they may in general have a larger dynamic range then a typical > > 90 minute tape. > > Don Curry > ----- Original Message ----- ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrplosay at gci.net Sun Nov 9 23:31:46 2008 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:31:46 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Improving NakTalk Communication Message-ID: <4BC52F0E438645489E18C7629FD81234@D3JKMYB1> I've wondered long since I've been a member here that the e-mail-based communication system seems archaic in this time and place of the cyberworld. Has any thought been given to moving to an online-forum-type system like vBulletin? I think it would have many advantages such as the ability to include pictures, diagrams, manuals as attachments and so forth. It would also allow real-time review of ongoing projects rather than searching back thru a tedious collection of archives or your own personal stash of collected and saved e-mails. Some way of importing all the old archives would need to be accomplished, but that's just a database question of technology. 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URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Nov 10 01:35:24 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:35:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tape advice sought - 60 minute tapes In-Reply-To: <491720FC.5040703@duplication.ca> References: <1887958876.475451226250177932.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <491720FC.5040703@duplication.ca> Message-ID: <491781CC.9010903@verizon.net> George Frehner wrote: > Hi, > > I am new on the list. I have couple Naks and I still do custom-loading > of tape. > > The 90 minute tape has a thinner base (so more print-through). Well, George, I suspect that *most* C-60 tapes are thicker, but not all. It often pays the manufacturer to put 60 minutes worth of C-90 tape in a shell. As to print through.. Yes, it does depend on the base thickness, but guess what., it also depends on the formulation coercivity. It so happens that coercivity of all type II 'chrome' tapes is high (which is why they require the high bias). Metal tapes are even more so. The bottom line is that C-90 type II tapes exhibit no print through to speak of. Even C-120 type II tapes are no problem, even after many years of storage. For this reason, *all* my cassettes are either type II or type IV. Another consideration is that tapes are more vulnerable to print through if stored after rewinding or fast forwarding. The reason is that the tape pancake is then packed far more solidly. It's quite possible that the distance between magnetic layers is smaller in C-60 tape after FF or REW than in C-90 tape after PB or REC. For this reason, I *always* store tape after PB or REC, *never* after REW or FF. Are you still so sure that C-90 tapes have more print through? -- Ron > > George > > > tbone76doublebass at comcast.net wrote: >> Correct me if I'm wrong. I think the 60 minute tapes may have a >> different formulation then 90 minute tapes. >> >> Print thru isn't as prone on the 60's and they may in general have a >> larger dynamic range then a typical >> >> 90 minute tape. >> >> Don Curry >> ----- Original Message ----- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Nov 10 10:27:53 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:27:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... In-Reply-To: <13978387.1226275658041.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13978387.1226275658041.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0ed501c94316$9d2c56c0$d7850440$@com> Tom Excuse the baby question: Why would this be more likely to work with a 1000ZXL and not any Nak? From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:08 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... How about this "stupid Nakamichi trick": record the 2 channel output of a CD4 quad record on a 1000ZXL, then play back tape through a CD4 decoder, and see if the carrier is detected ! It might work ! tom brucker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Mon Nov 10 13:06:16 2008 From: enoyes at snet.net (Edward Noyes) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:06:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 550 / 600 spares / swap In-Reply-To: <97DA1ED0-6656-4FA6-B53A-C8FB9CB882C9@thegreatbear.net> References: <97DA1ED0-6656-4FA6-B53A-C8FB9CB882C9@thegreatbear.net> Message-ID: <491823B8.3030705@snet.net> There was a lot of four 550's on ebay about a week ago. Don't know if they sold as it's a lot of 550 to take on. They were all in need of varying degrees of work with one being nothing more than a skeleton. I too need an early motor for the 550. They made three different motors for this deck and none are compatible with the d/d converter or speed control board from another. If anyone out there has old 550 motor parts, please let me know... my deck is otherwise perfect, but no motor means no go. Ed adrian at thegreatbear.net wrote: > Hi > > I've got some 600 spares I don't really need, meters, most of the > transport with heads, silver front panel etc and some more bits and > pieces I'm happy to donate to naktalk members for postage costs only. > I'm happy to send around the world - Let me know what bits you might > need... > > Also does anyone have a spare motor d/d convertor / govenor board for > a 550? > Mine emits an odd ticking sound when in play and the play speed > slowly decreased until it stops after 10 secs. FF and RW are OK > though... > > thanks > > adrian > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Nov 10 15:44:30 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:44:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Improving NakTalk Communication In-Reply-To: <4BC52F0E438645489E18C7629FD81234@D3JKMYB1> References: <4BC52F0E438645489E18C7629FD81234@D3JKMYB1> Message-ID: <491848CE.4020002@verizon.net> Jim Plosay wrote: > I've wondered long since I've been a member here that the e-mail-based > communication system seems archaic in this time and place of the > cyberworld. Has any thought been given to moving to an > online-forum-type system like vBulletin? I think it would have many > advantages such as the ability to include pictures, diagrams, manuals > as attachments and so forth. It would also allow real-time review of > ongoing projects rather than searching back thru a tedious collection > of archives or your own personal stash of collected and saved > e-mails. Some way of importing all the old archives would need to be > accomplished, but that's just a database question of technology. It > could be done with little to no expenditure of money, which is good > because NakTalk has never asked me for contrinutions. Any thoughts > from the owners or membership? > > Is this dialogue worth pursuing? Jim This is up to the list owner, Wouter. If he wishes to put in the investment such a conversion requires, I am sure all participants will be grateful -- but be aware that this is a serious investment in time and money (not to mention, computer resources. -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Nov 10 15:56:24 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:56:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... In-Reply-To: <0ed501c94316$9d2c56c0$d7850440$@com> References: <13978387.1226275658041.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0ed501c94316$9d2c56c0$d7850440$@com> Message-ID: <49184B98.30001@verizon.net> CD-4 requires useful output at 30KHz, which the 1000ZXL may have. I would also try the CR-5, CR-7 and other decks rated at over 20KHz +/- 2 or 3db. Lesser decks have a very slim chance at success. -- Ron Graham A Nelson wrote: > > Tom > > > > Excuse the baby question: Why would this be more likely to work with > a 1000ZXL and not any Nak? > > > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Tom Brucker > *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2008 12:08 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... > > > > How about this "stupid Nakamichi trick": record the 2 channel output > of a CD4 quad record on a 1000ZXL, then play back tape through a CD4 > decoder, and see if the carrier is detected ! It might work ! > > tom brucker > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 16:56:46 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:56:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Improving NakTalk Communication In-Reply-To: <491848CE.4020002@verizon.net> Message-ID: <68234.41097.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Such a system requires online moderators - more manpower resources. Naktalk is basically a nice user particpation forum with limited interest- also using limited resources as Wouter is personally taking care of it. Most of the important content from Naktalk archives is avaialable at Scott /Thomas websites along with Naktalk wiki area for 99% of issues. Kannan --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Ron wrote: > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Improving NakTalk Communication > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 9:44 AM > Jim Plosay wrote: > > I've wondered long since I've been a member > here that the e-mail-based communication system seems > archaic in this time and place of the cyberworld. Has any > thought been given to moving to an online-forum-type system > like vBulletin? I think it would have many advantages such > as the ability to include pictures, diagrams, manuals as > attachments and so forth. It would also allow real-time > review of ongoing projects rather than searching back thru a > tedious collection of archives or your own personal stash of > collected and saved e-mails. Some way of importing all the > old archives would need to be accomplished, but that's > just a database question of technology. It could be done > with little to no expenditure of money, which is good > because NakTalk has never asked me for contrinutions. Any > thoughts from the owners or membership? > > Is this dialogue worth pursuing? Jim > > This is up to the list owner, Wouter. If he wishes to put > in the > investment such a conversion requires, I am sure all > participants > will be grateful -- but be aware that this is a serious > investment > in time and money (not to mention, computer resources. > > -- Ron > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 18:03:44 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:03:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] An Interesting article regarding tape lengths Message-ID: <62162.58866.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi friends, An interesting article on tape lengths was pointed out to me by Jayson. I am clipping the link for all to read, if terested. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE1DF1F39F93BA25751C0A966958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all Regards, Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 18:08:32 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:08:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ANother nostalgic article on cassettes! Message-ID: <120946.92521.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Folks, Here's another one for us tape lovers. Is our taste a dying trend?? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/28/business/media/28cassette.html Regards, Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Mon Nov 10 19:24:07 2008 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (shorty at nznet.gen.nz) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:24:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] re C60's In-Reply-To: <200811101101.mAAB0Nmn010651@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: "Correct me if I'm wrong. I� think the 60 minute tapes may have a different formulation then 90 minute tapes.Print thru isn't as prone on the 60's and they may in general have a larger dynamic range then a typical 90 minute tape." Don, The polyester backing of the C45/C60 tape is typically heavier than that of the C90, (and C120 even thinner), and this can maginally reduce print through according to some guru's. The formulation coating thickness is usually the same though, so there should no difference in performance of a C60 vs a C90. The coating is reduced for a C120, hence a slight drop in performance. To qualify here, I am talking TDK tapes of the 80's.. not sure what the specs are on current C50 and C100 tapes. Also, due the thicker backing, the C45/C60's are supposedly more robust as far as tape handling goes, and C120 prone to streching due to their thinner backing, but as I use good decks and have no C120's, never seen that myself. On another note, I am one of those weirdo's that like C45's.. great for recording LP's... one side to one side!! I do also use C90's predominantly, and I like to try and match the styles of music that I record on a C90, but if I can't, that is where a C45 fits in. Many C60 users leave oodles of unused tape at the end of a recording because it isn't as useful a length, to me anyway.. and would have been better off using the maligned C45 length! Some of my most treasured tapes are my original formulation TDK MA C45's. cheers, Martin From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Nov 10 20:07:38 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:07:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Improving NakTalk Communication Message-ID: <9087.62.194.57.217.1226344058.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Like others said, it will take way more resources to manage. -pictures can be included as long as the size of the whole message is less then 60kb -diagrams/manuals they are widely available on the wiki, the problem here is people willing to spend time scanning the originals!!! If you register on the wiki you can write your own articles, change others, edit project pages. -searching the archives... yes this I will look into if i find some time this/next month. Wouter > I've wondered long since I've been a member here that the e-mail-based > communication system seems archaic in this time and place of the > cyberworld. Has any thought been given to moving to an online-forum-type > system like vBulletin? I think it would have many advantages such as the > ability to include pictures, diagrams, manuals as attachments and so > forth. It would also allow real-time review of ongoing projects rather > than searching back thru a tedious collection of archives or your own > personal stash of collected and saved e-mails. Some way of importing all > the old archives would need to be accomplished, but that's just a database > question of technology. It could be done with little to no expenditure of > money, which is good because NakTalk has never asked me for contrinutions. > Any thoughts from the owners or membership? > > Is this dialogue worth pursuing? Jim From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon Nov 10 21:50:48 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:50:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Improving NakTalk Communication In-Reply-To: <9087.62.194.57.217.1226344058.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <931257.43448.qm@web83105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What is the address of the WIKI page? Warren --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Wouter Heijke wrote: From: Wouter Heijke Subject: Re: [naktalk] Improving NakTalk Communication To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 2:07 PM Like others said, it will take way more resources to manage. -pictures can be included as long as the size of the whole message is less then 60kb -diagrams/manuals they are widely available on the wiki, the problem here is people willing to spend time scanning the originals!!! If you register on the wiki you can write your own articles, change others, edit project pages. -searching the archives... yes this I will look into if i find some time this/next month. Wouter > I've wondered long since I've been a member here that the e-mail-based > communication system seems archaic in this time and place of the > cyberworld. Has any thought been given to moving to an online-forum-type > system like vBulletin? I think it would have many advantages such as the > ability to include pictures, diagrams, manuals as attachments and so > forth. It would also allow real-time review of ongoing projects rather > than searching back thru a tedious collection of archives or your own > personal stash of collected and saved e-mails. Some way of importing all > the old archives would need to be accomplished, but that's just a database > question of technology. It could be done with little to no expenditure of > money, which is good because NakTalk has never asked me for contrinutions. > Any thoughts from the owners or membership? > > Is this dialogue worth pursuing? Jim ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 10 21:50:57 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:50:57 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of Quadrophonics ... 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Nov 10 22:36:59 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:36:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Improving NakTalk Communication In-Reply-To: <931257.43448.qm@web83105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9087.62.194.57.217.1226344058.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <931257.43448.qm@web83105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910811101336n4c118cd6r95cf0f57bd3c434d@mail.gmail.com> http://naks.com/wiki/ You can only find this link in other people's mind, and hidden at the bottom of Scott Johnson's FAQ page, which, by the way, isn't situated where the link on Naks.com points to anymore. http://www.nakremotes.com/Geo/Scott_Nak_FAQ.htm 2008/11/10 Warren Bendler : > What is the address of the WIKI page? > > Warren > > > --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Wouter Heijke wrote: > > From: Wouter Heijke > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Improving NakTalk Communication > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 2:07 PM > > Like others said, it will take way more resources to manage. > -pictures can be included as long as the size of the whole message is less > then 60kb > -diagrams/manuals they are widely available on the wiki, the problem here > is people willing to spend time scanning the originals!!! If you register > on the wiki you can write your own articles, change others, edit > project > pages. > -searching the archives... yes this I will look into if i find some time > this/next month. > > Wouter > >> I've wondered long since I've been a member here that the > e-mail-based >> communication system seems archaic in this time and place of the >> cyberworld. Has any thought been given to moving to an online-forum-type >> system like vBulletin? I think it would have many advantages such as the >> ability to include pictures, diagrams, manuals as attachments and so >> forth. It would also allow real-time review of ongoing projects rather >> than searching back thru a tedious collection of archives or your own >> personal stash of collected and saved e-mails. Some way of importing all >> the old archives would need to be accomplished, but that's just a > database >> question of technology. It could be done with little to no expenditure of >> money, which is good > because NakTalk has never asked me for contrinutions. >> Any thoughts from the owners or membership? >> >> Is this dialogue worth pursuing? Jim > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Nov 10 23:39:02 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:39:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re C60's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4918B806.3060500@verizon.net> Martin, As to C-45's "one side to one side", isn't C-90 better, allowing a full LP per side (no flipping)? --Ron shorty at nznet.gen.nz wrote: > "Correct me if I'm wrong. IÂ think the 60 minute tapes may have a > different > formulation then 90 minute tapes.Print thru isn't as prone on the 60's and > they may in general have a larger dynamic range then a typical 90 minute > tape." > > Don, > > The polyester backing of the C45/C60 tape is typically heavier than that > of the C90, (and C120 even thinner), and this can maginally reduce print > through according to some guru's. The formulation coating thickness is > usually the same though, so there should no difference in performance of a > C60 vs a C90. The coating is reduced for a C120, hence a slight drop in > performance. To qualify here, I am talking TDK tapes of the 80's.. not > sure what the specs are on current C50 and C100 tapes. > Also, due the thicker backing, the C45/C60's are supposedly more robust > as far as tape handling goes, and C120 prone to streching due to their > thinner backing, but as I use good decks and have no C120's, never seen > that myself. > > On another note, I am one of those weirdo's that like C45's.. great for > recording LP's... one side to one side!! I do also use C90's > predominantly, and I like to try and match the styles of music that I > record on a C90, but if I can't, that is where a C45 fits in. Many C60 > users leave oodles of unused tape at the end of a recording because it > isn't as useful a length, to me anyway.. and would have been better off > using the maligned C45 length! > > Some of my most treasured tapes are my original formulation TDK MA C45's. > > cheers, > > Martin > From emgaron+naktalk at ribbrock.org Tue Nov 11 09:11:08 2008 From: emgaron+naktalk at ribbrock.org (T. Ribbrock) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:11:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Improving NakTalk Communication In-Reply-To: <9087.62.194.57.217.1226344058.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <9087.62.194.57.217.1226344058.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20081111081108.GA955@lancre.ribbrock.org> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 08:07:38PM +0100, Wouter Heijke wrote: [...] > -searching the archives... yes this I will look into if i find some time > this/next month. If you want to improve searching, may I suggest subscribing the list to MARC? MARC is an excellent archiving service with a search engine that works very well. One can add lists if so desired (I've done so myself in the past). They seem to archive mostly computer-related lists, but I haven't seen anything in their "About" page (http://marc.info/?q=about) that implies that a list like naktalk would not be welcome. Always worth a try. Only potential downside: The list archive will be public, which may or may not be desirable (they do scramble the e-mail addresses, of course). Personally, I prefer mailing lists over web-based discussions - simply because with a list I get the content delivered "to my doorstep" (i.e. via mail) without having to actively "go somewhere" (on the web). Also, I prefer the general interface (due to speed and flexibility) of the various mail programs I use over any web interface I've seen so far. Quickly skimming through a bunch of messages in a mail program without having to touch the mouse is just so much easier in a (good) mail program. But that's just me. Cheerio, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Ribbrock http://www.ribbrock.org "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" From emgaron+naktalk at ribbrock.org Tue Nov 11 09:14:44 2008 From: emgaron+naktalk at ribbrock.org (T. Ribbrock) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:14:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: re C60's In-Reply-To: <4918B806.3060500@verizon.net> References: <4918B806.3060500@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20081111081444.GB955@lancre.ribbrock.org> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 05:39:02PM -0500, Ron wrote: > As to C-45's "one side to one side", isn't C-90 better, allowing > a full LP per side (no flipping)? That's always been *my* approach, as I wanted to avoid flipping if at all possible... I remember that I was quite happy to discover the C100s at the time, as there were (still are) some LPs that will just not fit on one side of a C90. :-) Cheerio, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Ribbrock http://www.ribbrock.org "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" From tbone76doublebass at comcast.net Tue Nov 11 19:22:07 2008 From: tbone76doublebass at comcast.net (tbone76doublebass at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Teac V-900X Cassette Recorder Message-ID: <700616169.834231226427727197.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I had purchased used 1 week ago a Teac V-900x Cassette recorder and have been taking it thru its paces with alot of dubbing from my personal CD's and even doing a live recording of a small community orchestra. I have spent several hours already with the machine and had to become familiarized with the DBX Noise reduction system. In retrospect; while in the 70's or 80's I cannot recall ever listening to a machine with DBX built in,so all of this is a new experience to me. I even bought the 74 page service manual for the machine and noticed the technical specs and some measurements were taken at the -7DB Levels. I was told from research that it is best to record DBX at no higher then maybe -4DB to -2DB so as to not have a drop off in the high end at 20K or above.I'm not sure if that is true gospel or not. On my live recording I had it at +2 DB a few times with my fresh new Maxell XL-II and noticed no ill effects at all. What was a real shocking experience to me was such a lack of tape and or noise from the machine. Everything was dead,dead quiet, very very looooooooooow noise. From all the cassette recorders I've heard in the past; I have never experienced anything like this from analog, only my trusty old Sony DAT would be able to do this. Well lets just say I am happy with this deck. Some of the specs in the owners manual show Wow and fluter 0.028% Signal to noise 92db (dbx in, at 1Khz) Dynamic range 110DB (dbx in, 1Khz) Freq Response Metal 30-21Khz +/- 3db The motors have 3 ; 1 DC FG Servo DD capstan motor 1 DC reel motor 1 mechanism control motor I opened the top and only noticed just one belt, not the typical 7 or 8 found in machines which should help in reliability in the machine. Any thoughts or users familiar with this Teac would be appreciated. How does this stack up to a Nakamichi 1000? I know were probably comparing apples to oranges; but as stated before I have never heard anything like this before with the noise not being a factor at all on the recording. Don Curry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Tue Nov 11 20:52:29 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:52:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Teac V-900X Cassette Recorder In-Reply-To: <700616169.834231226427727197.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <396761.57819.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The automatic calibration tape system of the V-900X does not seem to perform as good as using the reference tape setting. I used to own one but  I sold it in favor of the Z-6000.   Happy Listening and Collecting, Mike --- On Tue, 11/11/08, tbone76doublebass at comcast.net wrote: From: tbone76doublebass at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Teac V-900X Cassette Recorder To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 12:22 PM #yiv901560158 p {margin:0;} I had purchased used 1 week ago a Teac V-900x Cassette recorder and have been taking it thru its paces with alot of dubbing from my personal CD's and even doing a live recording of a small community orchestra. I have spent several hours already with the machine and had to become familiarized with the DBX Noise reduction system. In retrospect; while in the 70's or 80's I cannot recall ever listening to a machine with DBX built in,so all of this is a new experience to me. I even bought the 74 page service manual for the machine and noticed the technical specs and some measurements were taken at the -7DB Levels. I was told from research that it is best to record DBX at no higher then maybe -4DB to -2DB so as to not have a drop off in the high end at 20K or above.I'm not sure if that is true gospel or not. On my live recording I had it at +2 DB a few times with my fresh new Maxell XL-II and noticed no ill effects at all. What was a real shocking experience to me was such a lack of tape and or noise from the machine. Everything was dead,dead quiet, very very looooooooooow noise. From all the cassette recorders I've heard in the past; I have never experienced anything like this from analog, only my trusty old Sony DAT would be able to do this. Well lets just say I am happy with this deck. Some of the specs in the owners manual show Wow and fluter 0.028% Signal to noise 92db (dbx in, at 1Khz) Dynamic range 110DB (dbx in, 1Khz) Freq Response Metal 30-21Khz +/- 3db The motors have 3 ; 1 DC FG Servo DD capstan motor 1 DC reel motor 1 mechanism control motor I opened the top and only noticed just one belt, not the typical 7 or 8 found in machines which should help in reliability in the machine. Any thoughts or users familiar with this Teac would be appreciated. How does this stack up to a Nakamichi 1000? I know were probably comparing apples to oranges; but as stated before I have never heard anything like this before with the noise not being a factor at all on the recording. Don Curry========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 21:02:28 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:02:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Teac V-900X Cassette Recorder In-Reply-To: <700616169.834231226427727197.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <665097.11652.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don,   The Teac you have a very good machine.   Unfortunately, the best TEACs do not compare as well to the high end Naks( Dragon,Cr7, RX, 1000ZXl etc..). The three discrete heads and the pressure pad lifters do make the Naks sound much more transparent  and open and smooth than the TEACs, which have sandwiched rec/pb heads and are not therfore discrete and the pb head relis on the pressure pad of the cassette to establish contact with the tape.   Moreover, Nakamichi was a pioneer in their crsytalloy heads and due to their construction and transport design, head wear was much less than other brands over time.   I have tried using a 1000ZXL with external Dolby C and dbx type II systems and the results are like you said, exemplary and silent.   Hope I did not bother you with a true comparo. I have compared the TEAC Z-5000 and Z-7000 to the Naks and every time the CR7, Dragon and the ZXL decks have out done the Teacs.   And please, do not ever go above 0db recordig with dbx so as to avoid "breathing". Short passages into +2 will not destroy, but dwelling in +2 forever will cause the breathing to be very audible.   Enjoy the music.   Ram --- On Tue, 11/11/08, tbone76doublebass at comcast.net wrote: From: tbone76doublebass at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Teac V-900X Cassette Recorder To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 1:22 PM #yiv1966585194 p {margin:0;} I had purchased used 1 week ago a Teac V-900x Cassette recorder and have been taking it thru its paces with alot of dubbing from my personal CD's and even doing a live recording of a small community orchestra. I have spent several hours already with the machine and had to become familiarized with the DBX Noise reduction system. In retrospect; while in the 70's or 80's I cannot recall ever listening to a machine with DBX built in,so all of this is a new experience to me. I even bought the 74 page service manual for the machine and noticed the technical specs and some measurements were taken at the -7DB Levels. I was told from research that it is best to record DBX at no higher then maybe -4DB to -2DB so as to not have a drop off in the high end at 20K or above.I'm not sure if that is true gospel or not. On my live recording I had it at +2 DB a few times with my fresh new Maxell XL-II and noticed no ill effects at all. What was a real shocking experience to me was such a lack of tape and or noise from the machine. Everything was dead,dead quiet, very very looooooooooow noise. From all the cassette recorders I've heard in the past; I have never experienced anything like this from analog, only my trusty old Sony DAT would be able to do this. Well lets just say I am happy with this deck. Some of the specs in the owners manual show Wow and fluter 0.028% Signal to noise 92db (dbx in, at 1Khz) Dynamic range 110DB (dbx in, 1Khz) Freq Response Metal 30-21Khz +/- 3db The motors have 3 ; 1 DC FG Servo DD capstan motor 1 DC reel motor 1 mechanism control motor I opened the top and only noticed just one belt, not the typical 7 or 8 found in machines which should help in reliability in the machine. Any thoughts or users familiar with this Teac would be appreciated. How does this stack up to a Nakamichi 1000? I know were probably comparing apples to oranges; but as stated before I have never heard anything like this before with the noise not being a factor at all on the recording. Don Curry========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The seller has done a lot of (bad) solder work inside this machine and after all i wonder if it is working ok. When i'm putting it on with the function knob on "level" or "-20db" or "noise -A" or "peak level" the meter read immediate between -5 and -10 . Is this normal behaviour? or does the meter read nothing until you do something? mm, i'm confused about this because i have no documentation at all. Are there people here with a service manual? Looking inside the T100 i have seen some orange caps. Is it possible that this guy also have the Orange caps disease? Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tbone76doublebass at comcast.net Wed Nov 12 00:26:18 2008 From: tbone76doublebass at comcast.net (tbone76doublebass at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:26:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] Teac V-900X Cassette Recorder In-Reply-To: <665097.11652.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1396047872.893871226445978761.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I appreciate the feedback and welcome it. I do occasional live recordings and not very many Nakamichis have left and right mic inputs other then the MR-1 and I think only the 1000 series. IS THIS CORRECT? ----- Original Message ----- From: "shanti ramachandran" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:02:28 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac V-900X Cassette Recorder Don, The Teac you have a very good machine. Unfortunately, the best TEACs do not compare as well to the high end Naks( Dragon,Cr7, RX, 1000ZXl etc..). The three discrete heads and the pressure pad lifters do make the Naks sound much more transparent  and open and smooth than the TEACs, which have sandwiched rec/pb heads and are not therfore discrete and the pb head relis on the pressure pad of the cassette to establish contact with the tape. Moreover, Nakamichi was a pioneer in their crsytalloy heads and due to their construction and transport design, head wear was much less than other brands over time. I have tried using a 1000ZXL with external Dolby C and dbx type II systems and the results are like you said, exemplary and silent. Hope I did not bother you with a true comparo. I have compared the TEAC Z-5000 and Z-7000 to the Naks and every time the CR7, Dragon and the ZXL decks have out done the Teacs. And please, do not ever go above 0db recordig with dbx so as to avoid "breathing". Short passages into +2 will not destroy, but dwelling in +2 forever will cause the breathing to be very audible. Enjoy the music. Ram --- On Tue, 11/11/08, tbone76doublebass at comcast.net wrote: From: tbone76doublebass at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Teac V-900X Cassette Recorder To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 1:22 PM I had purchased used 1 week ago a Teac V-900x Cassette recorder and have been taking it thru its paces with alot of dubbing from my personal CD's and even doing a live recording of a small community orchestra. I have spent several hours already with the machine and had to become familiarized with the DBX Noise reduction system. In retrospect; while in the 70's or 80's I cannot recall ever listening to a machine with DBX built in,so all of this is a new experience to me. I even bought the 74 page service manual for the machine and noticed the technical specs and some measurements were taken at the -7DB Levels. I was told from research that it is best to record DBX at no higher then maybe -4DB to -2DB so as to not have a drop off in the high end at 20K or above.I'm not sure if that is true gospel or not. On my live recording I had it at +2 DB a few times with my fresh new Maxell XL-II and noticed no ill effects at all. What was a real shocking experience to me was such a lack of tape and or noise from the machine. Everything was dead,dead quiet, very very looooooooooow noise. From all the cassette recorders I've heard in the past; I have never experienced anything like this from analog, only my trusty old Sony DAT would be able to do this. Well lets just say I am happy with this deck. Some of the specs in the owners manual show Wow and fluter 0.028% Signal to noise 92db (dbx in, at 1Khz) Dynamic range 110DB (dbx in, 1Khz) Freq Response Metal 30-21Khz +/- 3db The motors have 3 ; 1 DC FG Servo DD capstan motor 1 DC reel motor 1 mechanism control motor I opened the top and only noticed just one belt, not the typical 7 or 8 found in machines which should help in reliability in the machine. Any thoughts or users familiar with this Teac would be appreciated. How does this stack up to a Nakamichi 1000? I know were probably comparing apples to oranges; but as stated before I have never heard anything like this before with the noise not being a factor at all on the recording. 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URL: From james.brodsky at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 00:33:53 2008 From: james.brodsky at gmail.com (James Brodsky) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:33:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Orange Cap - which ones? Message-ID: <211ca5a30811111533n55474b29j7e564a930ed41883@mail.gmail.com> Today I turned on my MR-1, plugged headphones into the front jack, and heard a whooshing and rustling in both channels when the source/tape monitor switch is set to "source". Turning up the volume on the headphone jack increased the rustling noises. It was silent when set to "tape." Then, the noise went away after a few minutes. I'm sure it will come back. The noises went away before I could check the line output but I am sure that since the rustling was registering on the peak meters, I would have heard it there too. I assume this may be the start of "OCD." A few questions, then, and sorry if this is re-treading over well-worn ground. 1) How do I figure out which orange caps to replace? All of them? Or which are the most likely to cause the symptom described? 2) I see that Scott's FAQ mentions Digikey and a few other suppliers. Although I want to do the cap swaps myself, is there a Naktalker that has packaged up replacement caps and would like to sell them to me at a small premium? thanks... -jb From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Wed Nov 12 01:41:47 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:41:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Teac V-900X Cassette Recorder Message-ID: Most if not all Naks 1000zxl and older have excellent mic inputs; often 3 (left/right/blend) as Nakamichi advocated a 3 mic system. After that I think it is part of cost cutting that they decided most people didn't use/want them so they were add-ons through a modular box (with some exceptions as you mentioned).-kby From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Nov 12 05:54:30 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:54:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Orange Cap - which ones? In-Reply-To: <211ca5a30811111533n55474b29j7e564a930ed41883@mail.gmail.com> References: <211ca5a30811111533n55474b29j7e564a930ed41883@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <491A6186.4030808@verizon.net> James Brodsky wrote: > Today I turned on my MR-1, plugged headphones into the front jack, and > heard a whooshing and rustling in both channels when the source/tape > monitor switch is set to "source". Turning up the volume on the > headphone jack increased the rustling noises. It was silent when set > to "tape." > > Then, the noise went away after a few minutes. I'm sure it will come > back. The noises went away before I could check the line output but I > am sure that since the rustling was registering on the peak meters, I > would have heard it there too. I assume this may be the start of "OCD." Why? There's a myriad of other components that can go bad. > A few questions, then, and sorry if this is re-treading over well-worn ground. > > 1) How do I figure out which orange caps to replace? All of them? Replace them all. That way, you'll find out whether it's an orange cap or something else entirely. > Or which are the most likely to cause the symptom described? > You already know that the problem is located along the signal path, after the monitor switching and before the display It's pointless to look elsewhere. Being intermittent, expect a time consuming process. Start by opening up the deck and locating the general area mentioned above. Using a component freezing spray can, cool that area and see if you can invoke the problem. If that doesn't, try a heat gun (but carefully. You don't want to cause a new problem). Once you succeed, trace the noise signal from the display input back in the circuit path until you hit the source (I know, it's easier said than done. Still, that;s the way to do it). > 2) I see that Scott's FAQ mentions Digikey and a few other suppliers. > Although I want to do the cap swaps myself, is there a Naktalker that > has packaged up replacement caps and would like to sell them to me at > a small premium? > Why not just go directly to a parts dealer? That is, after you have a better idea of what component(s) you need to replace. Who knows, it could be a bad PCB trace -- nothing to replace. Good luck, -- Ron > thanks... > > -jb > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Nov 12 12:27:22 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:27:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T100 problems Message-ID: <25247.82.210.249.81.1226489242.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Norman, Documentation (owners + service manual) are on the wiki manuals page: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents Wouter > mm, i'm confused about this because i have no documentation at all. Are > there people here with a service manual? Looking inside the T100 i have From N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net Wed Nov 12 13:52:32 2008 From: N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net (N.van.Wijnen at inter.nl.net) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:52:32 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T100 problems In-Reply-To: <25247.82.210.249.81.1226489242.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <25247.82.210.249.81.1226489242.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1840.145.44.29.96.1226494352.squirrel@webmail.internl.net> Wouter, thats fantastic, thanks a lot Regards Norman Op Wo, 12 november, 2008 12:27 pm schreef Wouter Heijke: > Hi Norman, > Documentation (owners + service manual) are on the wiki manuals page: > http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents > > > Wouter > > >> mm, i'm confused about this because i have no documentation at all. Are >> there people here with a service manual? Looking inside the T100 i >> have > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------======== > = > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From BOEING747600 at aol.com Wed Nov 12 13:54:23 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:54:23 EST Subject: [naktalk] Teac V-900X Cassette Recorder Message-ID: Hi There, The nakamichi 700 series cassette decks series have mic blend in addition to left/righ mic inputs and so does the nakamichi 100zxl model cassette deck. In a message dated 11/11/2008 7:42:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tbone76doublebass at comcast.net writes: I appreciate the feedback and welcome it. I do occasional live recordings and not very many Nakamichis have left and right mic inputs other then the MR-1 and I think only the 1000 series. IS THIS CORRECT? ----- Original Message ----- From: "shanti ramachandran" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:02:28 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac V-900X Cassette Recorder Don, The Teac you have a very good machine. Unfortunately, the best TEACs do not compare as well to the high end Naks( Dragon,Cr7, RX, 1000ZXl etc..). The three discrete heads and the pressure pad lifters do make the Naks sound much more transparent and open and smooth than the TEACs, which have sandwiched rec/pb heads and are not therfore discrete and the pb head relis on the pressure pad of the cassette to establish contact with the tape. Moreover, Nakamichi was a pioneer in their crsytalloy heads and due to their construction and transport design, head wear was much less than other brands over time. I have tried using a 1000ZXL with external Dolby C and dbx type II systems and the results are like you said, exemplary and silent. Hope I did not bother you with a true comparo. I have compared the TEAC Z-5000 and Z-7000 to the Naks and every time the CR7, Dragon and the ZXL decks have out done the Teacs. And please, do not ever go above 0db recordig with dbx so as to avoid "breathing". Short passages into +2 will not destroy, but dwelling in +2 forever will cause the breathing to be very audible. Enjoy the music. Ram --- On Tue, 11/11/08, tbone76doublebass at comcast.net wrote: From: tbone76doublebass at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Teac V-900X Cassette Recorder To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 1:22 PM I had purchased used 1 week ago a Teac V-900x Cassette recorder and have been taking it thru its paces with alot of dubbing from my personal CD's and even doing a live recording of a small community orchestra. I have spent several hours already with the machine and had to become familiarized with the DBX Noise reduction system. In retrospect; while in the 70's or 80's I cannot recall ever listening to a machine with DBX built in,so all of this is a new experience to me. I even bought the 74 page service manual for the machine and noticed the technical specs and some measurements were taken at the -7DB Levels. I was told from research that it is best to record DBX at no higher then maybe -4DB to -2DB so as to not have a drop off in the high end at 20K or above.I'm not sure if that is true gospel or not. On my live recording I had it at +2 DB a few times with my fresh new Maxell XL-II and noticed no ill effects at all. What was a real shocking experience to me was such a lack of tape and or noise from the machine. Everything was dead,dead quiet, very very looooooooooow noise. From all the cassette recorders I've heard in the past; I have never experienced anything like this from analog, only my trusty old Sony DAT would be able to do this. Well lets just say I am happy with this deck. Some of the specs in the owners manual show Wow and fluter 0.028% Signal to noise 92db (dbx in, at 1Khz) Dynamic range 110DB (dbx in, 1Khz) Freq Response Metal 30-21Khz +/- 3db The motors have 3 ; 1 DC FG Servo DD capstan motor 1 DC reel motor 1 mechanism control motor I opened the top and only noticed just one belt, not the typical 7 or 8 found in machines which should help in reliability in the machine. Any thoughts or users familiar with this Teac would be appreciated. How does this stack up to a Nakamichi 1000? I know were probably comparing apples to oranges; but as stated before I have never heard anything like this before with the noise not being a factor at all on the recording. 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EVER MR-1 and MR-2 needs this done. tom brukcer -----Original Message----- >From: James Brodsky >Sent: Nov 11, 2008 5:33 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Orange Cap - which ones? > >Today I turned on my MR-1, plugged headphones into the front jack, and >heard a whooshing and rustling in both channels when the source/tape >monitor switch is set to "source". Turning up the volume on the >headphone jack increased the rustling noises. It was silent when set >to "tape." > >Then, the noise went away after a few minutes. I'm sure it will come >back. The noises went away before I could check the line output but I >am sure that since the rustling was registering on the peak meters, I >would have heard it there too. > >I assume this may be the start of "OCD." > >A few questions, then, and sorry if this is re-treading over well-worn ground. > >1) How do I figure out which orange caps to replace? All of them? Or >which are the most likely to cause the symptom described? >2) I see that Scott's FAQ mentions Digikey and a few other suppliers. >Although I want to do the cap swaps myself, is there a Naktalker that >has packaged up replacement caps and would like to sell them to me at >a small premium? > >thanks... > >-jb >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 12 16:33:28 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:33:28 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T100 problems Message-ID: <32867109.1226504008791.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.brodsky at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 17:05:04 2008 From: james.brodsky at gmail.com (James Brodsky) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:05:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Orange Cap - which ones? In-Reply-To: <1694075.1226503161135.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <1694075.1226503161135.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <211ca5a30811120805o617cf9c8q28bef736dcc974b4@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Tom - that sounds like an easy fix, or at least first step! -jb On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Remove the bottom cover and locate the rear chassis screw that has a solder surface on the pcb. This is the main chassis ground screw. Tighten it and the sound will be fixed. I recommend removing the screw and filing its underside, then reinstalling with a toothed lockwasher, or even better, soldering. Soldering takes a good iron! EVER MR-1 and MR-2 needs this done. > > tom brukcer > > -----Original Message----- >>From: James Brodsky >>Sent: Nov 11, 2008 5:33 PM >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >>Subject: [naktalk] MR-1 Orange Cap - which ones? >> >>Today I turned on my MR-1, plugged headphones into the front jack, and >>heard a whooshing and rustling in both channels when the source/tape >>monitor switch is set to "source". Turning up the volume on the >>headphone jack increased the rustling noises. It was silent when set >>to "tape." >> >>Then, the noise went away after a few minutes. I'm sure it will come >>back. The noises went away before I could check the line output but I >>am sure that since the rustling was registering on the peak meters, I >>would have heard it there too. >> >>I assume this may be the start of "OCD." >> >>A few questions, then, and sorry if this is re-treading over well-worn ground. >> >>1) How do I figure out which orange caps to replace? All of them? Or >>which are the most likely to cause the symptom described? >>2) I see that Scott's FAQ mentions Digikey and a few other suppliers. >>Although I want to do the cap swaps myself, is there a Naktalker that >>has packaged up replacement caps and would like to sell them to me at >>a small premium? >> >>thanks... >> >>-jb >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From dister.bunty at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 07:31:51 2008 From: dister.bunty at gmail.com (Dister Bunty) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:31:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Spring Clip for BX-300- Launched! Message-ID: Hi Folks, While replacing the idler tire on my BX-300, I managed to launch the tiny white-washer-clip that holds the assembly together deep into the abyss of the machine. Does anyone know of a replacement part? Yikes! Am I doomed to no more Nakamichi? Nervously, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 13 10:40:21 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:40:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Teac V-900X Cassette Recorder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <676776.73389.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi,   The 1000, 700, 600 and 500 series decks all have three mic inputs. The 660, 670 and 680 series decks have this as an outboard attachment. I remember reading that having mic inputs does alter the import duties payable for tape recorders (back then).   Rgds BG --- On Wed, 11/12/08, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: From: BOEING747600 at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac V-900X Cassette Recorder To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 8:54 PM Hi There,  The  nakamichi 700 series cassette decks series have mic blend in addition to left/righ mic inputs and so does the nakamichi 100zxl model cassette deck.   In a message dated 11/11/2008 7:42:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tbone76doublebass at comcast.net writes: I appreciate the feedback and welcome it. I do occasional live recordings and not very many Nakamichis have left and right mic inputs other then the MR-1 and I think only the 1000 series. IS THIS CORRECT? ----- Original Message ----- From: "shanti ramachandran" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:02:28 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [naktalk] Teac V-900X Cassette Recorder Don,   The Teac you have a very good machine.   Unfortunately, the best TEACs do not compare as well to the high end Naks( Dragon,Cr7, RX, 1000ZXl etc..). The three discrete heads and the pressure pad lifters do make the Naks sound much more transparent  and open and smooth than the TEACs, which have sandwiched rec/pb heads and are not therfore discrete and the pb head relis on the pressure pad of the cassette to establish contact with the tape.   Moreover, Nakamichi was a pioneer in their crsytalloy heads and due to their construction and transport design, head wear was much less than other brands over time.   I have tried using a 1000ZXL with external Dolby C and dbx type II systems and the results are like you said, exemplary and silent.   Hope I did not bother you with a true comparo. I have compared the TEAC Z-5000 and Z-7000 to the Naks and every time the CR7, Dragon and the ZXL decks have out done the Teacs.   And please, do not ever go above 0db recordig with dbx so as to avoid "breathing". Short passages into +2 will not destroy, but dwelling in +2 forever will cause the breathing to be very audible.   Enjoy the music.   Ram --- On Tue, 11/11/08, tbone76doublebass at comcast.net wrote: From: tbone76doublebass at comcast.net Subject: [naktalk] Teac V-900X Cassette Recorder To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 1:22 PM #yiv942990274 #yiv1966585194 p {margin:0;} I had purchased used 1 week ago a Teac V-900x Cassette recorder and have been taking it thru its paces with alot of dubbing from my personal CD's and even doing a live recording of a small community orchestra. I have spent several hours already with the machine and had to become familiarized with the DBX Noise reduction system. In retrospect; while in the 70's or 80's I cannot recall ever listening to a machine with DBX built in,so all of this is a new experience to me. I even bought the 74 page service manual for the machine and noticed the technical specs and some measurements were taken at the -7DB Levels. I was told from research that it is best to record DBX at no higher then maybe -4DB to -2DB so as to not have a drop off in the high end at 20K or above.I'm not sure if that is true gospel or not. On my live recording I had it at +2 DB a few times with my fresh new Maxell XL-II and noticed no ill effects at all. What was a real shocking experience to me was such a lack of tape and or noise from the machine. Everything was dead,dead quiet, very very looooooooooow noise. From all the cassette recorders I've heard in the past; I have never experienced anything like this from analog, only my trusty old Sony DAT would be able to do this. Well lets just say I am happy with this deck. Some of the specs in the owners manual show Wow and fluter 0.028% Signal to noise 92db (dbx in, at 1Khz) Dynamic range 110DB (dbx in, 1Khz) Freq Response Metal 30-21Khz +/- 3db The motors have 3 ; 1 DC FG Servo DD capstan motor 1 DC reel motor 1 mechanism control motor I opened the top and only noticed just one belt, not the typical 7 or 8 found in machines which should help in reliability in the machine. Any thoughts or users familiar with this Teac would be appreciated. How does this stack up to a Nakamichi 1000? I know were probably comparing apples to oranges; but as stated before I have never heard anything like this before with the noise not being a factor at all on the recording. 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Thu Nov 13 22:13:43 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:13:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Help with Nakamichi Dragon In-Reply-To: <020d01c945ca$90231b60$136fa8c0@morgan> Message-ID: <879690.10087.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You can send it to Willy Hermann if you want to. He is at California. Is that close enough?     Mike --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Morgan Lin wrote: From: Morgan Lin Subject: [naktalk] Help with Nakamichi Dragon To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 2:00 PM Hello All, New member to the group.  Need some help with my Dragon Cassette Deck.  When powered on, the right hand take-up reel should initially be energized to take-up any tape slack.  However, this is not happening and thus the unit cannot go into play mode or FF FW etc.  Does anyone have any insight or suggestions?  John @ NW Audio in Seattle has the unit for over 6 months and is unable or unwilling to work on this problem.  Any help with finding another person in the NW who will work on the Dragon or diagnosis this problem is greatly appreciated.   Thanks in advance.   Morgan Lin in Seattle========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From albert.k at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 01:46:00 2008 From: albert.k at gmail.com (Albert Khurshudian) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:46:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem, needs help from the Pro. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4f34081e0811151646o108c9004ke60d870c5afc1747@mail.gmail.com> Where is The guru?? On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 2:56 PM, wrote: > Hi There! Relax! I have no doubt! our in house guru Tom will come to > you rescue in due time!:) with the correct diagnosis. > Ali > > In a message dated 11/9/2008 12:11:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > albert.k at gmail.com writes: > > To All who can help... > Hi, > I have a nice ZX-9 I bought from someone. It has an issue with the main > motor. It just does not spin. I am not familiar with the correct > terminology, but for me it looks like a direct or linear motor. I have a > multimeter and a solder gun. Also got the service manual. I have some > electronic parts and can do a simple job. Does anybody can help to bring the > nice deck back to life?? I am pretty sure someone here can exactly tell what > needs to be replaced or where to look. Please, please help. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ------------------------------ > AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday > needs. Search Now > . > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Sun Nov 16 13:15:20 2008 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter T) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:15:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482 Message-ID: Hi I have a 482. It plays very well and all playback functions work.But it does not erase and record. When I put it in record mode one large resistor near the erase head connector plug gets very hot. Putting it back into playback mode it cools off. Can anyone help with this? Thanks Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 15:16:57 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:16:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b6f92900811160616q37637db4qe950e73875469a74@mail.gmail.com> I'm not at my service manuals and there isn't one on Naks.com so I'm operating from memory (waning at my age). Usually the "orange drop" caps in the bias circuit short and cause this problem. Try replacing the two 4700pf caps at the bias oscillator. On the 481 they are C302 and C303. Probably one of them is shorted. If not, it's possible that the bias transistors (one or both) have shorted so replace Q301 and Q302 (again, working from the 481 schematic). Willy On 11/16/08, Peter T wrote: > > Hi > > I have a 482. It plays very well and all playback functions work.But it > does not erase and record. When I put it in record mode one large resistor > near the erase head connector plug gets very hot. Putting it back into > playback mode it cools off. Can anyone help with this? Thanks > > Peter > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Sun Nov 16 19:12:49 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:12:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon Message-ID: Hi, I have a Dragon and MR-1. I noticed recordings made on Dragon peaks higher on the MR-1 meters and recordings made on the MR-1 shows lower on the Dragon. I checked with pre-recorded tapes and it peaks quite high on the MR-1 but in normal range on the Dragon. Making a test tape at 0db , 440hz on the Dragon, it shows +2 on the MR-1. And vice versa (0db tape on MR-1 shows -2db on Dragon). Is this normal? A respected tech told me this is as it should be because the specs between the 2 decks are different. I figure this has something to do with the fact that MR-1 is a balanced level machine but not sure. Any one know for sure? Gene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sun Nov 16 23:28:06 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:28:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D30DB7C-1C38-45E8-8C9F-9FF0044407FD@kvglabs.com> Hi Gene, My guess is that either the two decks have different playback calibration, or the MR-1 has its meter calibrated differently. All of my decks will show the same playback level, regardless of make and model. I'm a bit fussy about standardized levels. The MR-1 should indicate the same level meter indication as the Dragon, the only difference being that a higher signal level will appear at the MR's output jacks compared to the Dragon's output jacks for the same indicated levels. The level meters are supposed to be indicating flux-on-tape (modulation levels), so a 0-dB tone on any tape recorded properly on any deck should indicate 0 dB on any other deck (assuming the same calibration standard is applied). If it were me, I'd calibrate both decks' level meters to the same fluxivity. I'd pick the Dragon as the "reference", then recalibrate the MR's levels meters to agree with the Dragon's. After all, Dragons Rule. On Nov 16, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Gene Ess wrote: > Hi, > > I have a Dragon and MR-1. I noticed recordings made on Dragon peaks > higher on the MR-1 meters and recordings made on the MR-1 shows > lower on the Dragon. I checked with pre-recorded tapes and it peaks > quite high on the MR-1 but in normal range on the Dragon. > > Making a test tape at 0db , 440hz on the Dragon, it shows +2 on the > MR-1. And vice versa (0db tape on MR-1 shows -2db on Dragon). Is > this normal? A respected tech told me this is as it should be > because the specs between the 2 decks are different. > > I figure this has something to do with the fact that MR-1 is a > balanced level machine but not sure. Any one know for sure? > > Gene > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Mon Nov 17 00:06:06 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:06:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon In-Reply-To: <9D30DB7C-1C38-45E8-8C9F-9FF0044407FD@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: Hi Kermit, Very interesting. I was told that 0db on the Dragon is 1v and on the MR-1, 1.23v. What doesn't make sense to me is then why a 1v 0db tape made on the Dragon shows as +2db on the MR-1. Should it not show less than 0db if indeed 1.23v is 0db on a MR-1? The tech that worked on my MR-1 is quite sure that he did not do anything "wrong". He points to the fact that Nakamichi calls for different test tapes to calibrate the MR-1. I don't mind it if indeed the MR-1 is running at spec as the tapes made on the Dragon doesn't sound distorted. What I want to know for sure is if these 2 machines were indeed calibrated to different specs originally by Nakamichi and if so, why? Regards, Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:28 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon Hi Gene, My guess is that either the two decks have different playback calibration, or the MR-1 has its meter calibrated differently. All of my decks will show the same playback level, regardless of make and model. I'm a bit fussy about standardized levels. The MR-1 should indicate the same level meter indication as the Dragon, the only difference being that a higher signal level will appear at the MR's output jacks compared to the Dragon's output jacks for the same indicated levels. The level meters are supposed to be indicating flux-on-tape (modulation levels), so a 0-dB tone on any tape recorded properly on any deck should indicate 0 dB on any other deck (assuming the same calibration standard is applied). If it were me, I'd calibrate both decks' level meters to the same fluxivity. I'd pick the Dragon as the "reference", then recalibrate the MR's levels meters to agree with the Dragon's. After all, Dragons Rule. On Nov 16, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Gene Ess wrote: Hi, I have a Dragon and MR-1. I noticed recordings made on Dragon peaks higher on the MR-1 meters and recordings made on the MR-1 shows lower on the Dragon. I checked with pre-recorded tapes and it peaks quite high on the MR-1 but in normal range on the Dragon. Making a test tape at 0db , 440hz on the Dragon, it shows +2 on the MR-1. And vice versa (0db tape on MR-1 shows -2db on Dragon). Is this normal? A respected tech told me this is as it should be because the specs between the 2 decks are different. I figure this has something to do with the fact that MR-1 is a balanced level machine but not sure. Any one know for sure? 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URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Mon Nov 17 02:08:20 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:08:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <474AA4B8-FD53-4189-8207-EAE7258F5320@kvglabs.com> Hi Gene, On Nov 16, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Gene Ess wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > Very interesting. I was told that 0db on the Dragon is 1v and on > the MR-1, 1.23v. What doesn't make sense to me is then why a 1v 0db > tape made on the Dragon shows as +2db on the MR-1. Should it not > show less than 0db if indeed 1.23v is 0db on a MR-1? Correct, 0db on the Dragon is 1 VAC AT THE OUPUT JACKS and on the MR-1 is 1.23 VAC AT THE OUPUT JACKS. However, 0 dB on the meter actually means 200 nWb/m flux, or Dolby level, typically. So, assuming that 0 dB on BOTH decks is 200 nWb/m, or Dolby level, then both decks should read 0 dB levels when playing tapes recorded at reference (0 dB), but the two decks will produce different output voltages at the jacks for the same flux levels (recording levels) on tape. CoNfUsEd? Not to worry, this trips up many techs. The tech may have confused flux reference levels with output signal levels at the jacks. It may be possible that Nakamichi wanted the MR-1 to have better "headroom" and set the level meter's reference 2 dB lower than the standard 200 nWb/m flux level. If so, then I disagree with Nakamichi's decision. (Or maybe they wanted the Dragon to have better signal-to- noise and specified a higher-than-standard flux level.) I'm not sure which of the two decks is calibrated to 200 nWb/m Dolby standard -- or if either of them are. To ensure that Dolby cassettes reproduce correctly on all decks, regardless of brand, flux levels on tape should be 200 nWb/m, and 0 dB on the meter should be referred to that flux level. This is proper studio practice, if nothing else. Stating the output voltage of a deck as a function of level meter indication is a convenience to allow the installer the ability to match the deck's output levels to the input sensitivity of succeeding equipment for optimum headroom and signal-to- noise ratios. Unfortunately, manufacturers also often use it as a calibration reference, leading to confusion and non-standard calibration. The better method is to calibrate the METER to reference tone on the test tape, then confirm the jack output levels are the stated voltage. If needed, adjust reproduce levle sin a manner that the METER calibration isn't changed yet the output voltage is at the manufacturer's rating. Regardless of factory spec, I always ensure that 0 dB on every cassette deck I have refers to 200 nWb/m flux on tape. No worries, then, as far as playback level compatibility. This is where I departed from Nakamichi's protocols when I serviced them in the 1970s (back in the era of the 350, 500, 550, 600, 600-II, 700, 700-II, 1000 and 1000- II). My studio customers appreciated the fact that their Nakamichis were spot-on to Dolby 200 nWb/m reference levels because this made cassette mastering and duplication far easier for them. Audiophiles appreciated it too -- they often told me that pre-recorded tapes sounded perfect, as well as tapes from friends who had non-Nakamichi decks. In my own experience I found I could make a master on my 600 or 600-II and pop it directly into a high-speed well duplicator (like those made by Recordex, Telex, or Wollensak) and the dupes would sound wonderful , far better than you would normally expect from those type of duplicator. The only problem you may encounter with the different reference levels standards of the two decks is Dolby mistracking. Your MR-1 should be able to take the 2 dB higher levels without playback distortion, assuming you don't record "hot." Tapes made on your MR-1 may be slightly noisier than otherwise when played on the Dragon. Again, I'd suggest that both decks be calibrated to the Dolby 200 nWb/ m flux levels, regardless of Nakamichi's protocols. > > The tech that worked on my MR-1 is quite sure that he did not do > anything "wrong". He points to the fact that Nakamichi calls for > different test tapes to calibrate the MR-1. I don't mind it if > indeed the MR-1 is running at spec as the tapes made on the Dragon > doesn't sound distorted. > > What I want to know for sure is if these 2 machines were indeed > calibrated to different specs originally by Nakamichi and if so, why? > > Regards, > > Gene > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit Gray > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:28 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon > > Hi Gene, > > My guess is that either the two decks have different playback > calibration, or the MR-1 has its meter calibrated differently. All > of my decks will show the same playback level, regardless of make > and model. I'm a bit fussy about standardized levels. > > The MR-1 should indicate the same level meter indication as the > Dragon, the only difference being that a higher signal level will > appear at the MR's output jacks compared to the Dragon's output > jacks for the same indicated levels. The level meters are supposed > to be indicating flux-on-tape (modulation levels), so a 0-dB tone on > any tape recorded properly on any deck should indicate 0 dB on any > other deck (assuming the same calibration standard is applied). > > If it were me, I'd calibrate both decks' level meters to the same > fluxivity. I'd pick the Dragon as the "reference", then recalibrate > the MR's levels meters to agree with the Dragon's. After all, > Dragons Rule. > > On Nov 16, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Gene Ess wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have a Dragon and MR-1. I noticed recordings made on Dragon >> peaks higher on the MR-1 meters and recordings made on the MR-1 >> shows lower on the Dragon. I checked with pre-recorded tapes and >> it peaks quite high on the MR-1 but in normal range on the Dragon. >> >> Making a test tape at 0db , 440hz on the Dragon, it shows +2 on the >> MR-1. And vice versa (0db tape on MR-1 shows -2db on Dragon). Is >> this normal? A respected tech told me this is as it should be >> because the specs between the 2 decks are different. >> >> I figure this has something to do with the fact that MR-1 is a >> balanced level machine but not sure. Any one know for sure? >> >> Gene >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Mon Nov 17 03:00:58 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:00:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon In-Reply-To: <474AA4B8-FD53-4189-8207-EAE7258F5320@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: Hi Kermit, Thanks for such a detailed response. I will look through my MR-1 and Dragon Service manual along with more research into cassette tape theory. I am a bit new to cassette electronics... Is there a standard way to calibrate the decks to the 200 nWb/m you mention? I hope no impossible to get tapes/tools are needed for this. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:08 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon Hi Gene, On Nov 16, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Gene Ess wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > Very interesting. I was told that 0db on the Dragon is 1v and on > the MR-1, 1.23v. What doesn't make sense to me is then why a 1v 0db > tape made on the Dragon shows as +2db on the MR-1. Should it not > show less than 0db if indeed 1.23v is 0db on a MR-1? Correct, 0db on the Dragon is 1 VAC AT THE OUPUT JACKS and on the MR-1 is 1.23 VAC AT THE OUPUT JACKS. However, 0 dB on the meter actually means 200 nWb/m flux, or Dolby level, typically. So, assuming that 0 dB on BOTH decks is 200 nWb/m, or Dolby level, then both decks should read 0 dB levels when playing tapes recorded at reference (0 dB), but the two decks will produce different output voltages at the jacks for the same flux levels (recording levels) on tape. CoNfUsEd? Not to worry, this trips up many techs. The tech may have confused flux reference levels with output signal levels at the jacks. It may be possible that Nakamichi wanted the MR-1 to have better "headroom" and set the level meter's reference 2 dB lower than the standard 200 nWb/m flux level. If so, then I disagree with Nakamichi's decision. (Or maybe they wanted the Dragon to have better signal-to- noise and specified a higher-than-standard flux level.) I'm not sure which of the two decks is calibrated to 200 nWb/m Dolby standard -- or if either of them are. To ensure that Dolby cassettes reproduce correctly on all decks, regardless of brand, flux levels on tape should be 200 nWb/m, and 0 dB on the meter should be referred to that flux level. This is proper studio practice, if nothing else. Stating the output voltage of a deck as a function of level meter indication is a convenience to allow the installer the ability to match the deck's output levels to the input sensitivity of succeeding equipment for optimum headroom and signal-to- noise ratios. Unfortunately, manufacturers also often use it as a calibration reference, leading to confusion and non-standard calibration. The better method is to calibrate the METER to reference tone on the test tape, then confirm the jack output levels are the stated voltage. If needed, adjust reproduce levle sin a manner that the METER calibration isn't changed yet the output voltage is at the manufacturer's rating. Regardless of factory spec, I always ensure that 0 dB on every cassette deck I have refers to 200 nWb/m flux on tape. No worries, then, as far as playback level compatibility. This is where I departed from Nakamichi's protocols when I serviced them in the 1970s (back in the era of the 350, 500, 550, 600, 600-II, 700, 700-II, 1000 and 1000- II). My studio customers appreciated the fact that their Nakamichis were spot-on to Dolby 200 nWb/m reference levels because this made cassette mastering and duplication far easier for them. Audiophiles appreciated it too -- they often told me that pre-recorded tapes sounded perfect, as well as tapes from friends who had non-Nakamichi decks. In my own experience I found I could make a master on my 600 or 600-II and pop it directly into a high-speed well duplicator (like those made by Recordex, Telex, or Wollensak) and the dupes would sound wonderful , far better than you would normally expect from those type of duplicator. The only problem you may encounter with the different reference levels standards of the two decks is Dolby mistracking. Your MR-1 should be able to take the 2 dB higher levels without playback distortion, assuming you don't record "hot." Tapes made on your MR-1 may be slightly noisier than otherwise when played on the Dragon. Again, I'd suggest that both decks be calibrated to the Dolby 200 nWb/ m flux levels, regardless of Nakamichi's protocols. > > The tech that worked on my MR-1 is quite sure that he did not do > anything "wrong". He points to the fact that Nakamichi calls for > different test tapes to calibrate the MR-1. I don't mind it if > indeed the MR-1 is running at spec as the tapes made on the Dragon > doesn't sound distorted. > > What I want to know for sure is if these 2 machines were indeed > calibrated to different specs originally by Nakamichi and if so, why? > > Regards, > > Gene > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Kermit Gray > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:28 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon > > Hi Gene, > > My guess is that either the two decks have different playback > calibration, or the MR-1 has its meter calibrated differently. All > of my decks will show the same playback level, regardless of make > and model. I'm a bit fussy about standardized levels. > > The MR-1 should indicate the same level meter indication as the > Dragon, the only difference being that a higher signal level will > appear at the MR's output jacks compared to the Dragon's output > jacks for the same indicated levels. The level meters are supposed > to be indicating flux-on-tape (modulation levels), so a 0-dB tone on > any tape recorded properly on any deck should indicate 0 dB on any > other deck (assuming the same calibration standard is applied). > > If it were me, I'd calibrate both decks' level meters to the same > fluxivity. I'd pick the Dragon as the "reference", then recalibrate > the MR's levels meters to agree with the Dragon's. After all, > Dragons Rule. > > On Nov 16, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Gene Ess wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have a Dragon and MR-1. I noticed recordings made on Dragon >> peaks higher on the MR-1 meters and recordings made on the MR-1 >> shows lower on the Dragon. I checked with pre-recorded tapes and >> it peaks quite high on the MR-1 but in normal range on the Dragon. >> >> Making a test tape at 0db , 440hz on the Dragon, it shows +2 on the >> MR-1. And vice versa (0db tape on MR-1 shows -2db on Dragon). Is >> this normal? A respected tech told me this is as it should be >> because the specs between the 2 decks are different. >> >> I figure this has something to do with the fact that MR-1 is a >> balanced level machine but not sure. Any one know for sure? >> >> Gene >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Mon Nov 17 05:06:24 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:06:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] mr-1 led meter died Message-ID: What a bad luck. As soon as I posted a question about level differences between my Dragon and MR-1, the meters on the MR-1 is now dead. It was working fine earlier today. What can cause this? I suppose I can ship it back to the tech because I just got it back a month ago and is under warranty. But if it is a matter of just replacing some capacitors on the meter pcb, I can do that. Anyone know what might cause the meter to die all of suddenly? Gene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From icsteelhead at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 21:45:16 2008 From: icsteelhead at gmail.com (Larry Casey) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:45:16 -0900 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement lights for Nak Hi-Com II noise reduction unit Message-ID: <96c08f020811171245s2e6e3fb5wa5b574d7a35031bb@mail.gmail.com> Greetings, Would anyone know of a source to purchase replacement bulbs for my Hi-Com noise reduction unit. I would appreciate the part number? and source to purchase. Thank you!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pbtanner at hotmail.com Mon Nov 17 22:42:12 2008 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:42:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482 In-Reply-To: <4b6f92900811160616q37637db4qe950e73875469a74@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b6f92900811160616q37637db4qe950e73875469a74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks a lot, Willie, unfortunately I do not have a schematic for the 482 yet. I'm trying to get hold of one now. I have one for the 480 but other than the transport it is different. What I don't understand is when I put it in record mode and all lights light up accordingly I basically stay in the playback mode. In other words I hear the recording I'm trying to erase and record over. With some clicks and pops. Which means there is no erase function at all. Also, there is this overheated resistor. A big resistor at that. I'll try to get you its no on the PCB. Perhaps you can identify it better. I am not that great at the electronics, better at the mechanics. I have a soldering gun and I can get hold of the capacitors and transistors that need replacing but testing the whole record circuit is probably beyond me. Anyway, I'll try what you have suggested and if you come with another idea please, let me know Best regards Peter Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:16:57 -0500From: willyherm at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 482I'm not at my service manuals and there isn't one on Naks.com so I'm operating from memory (waning at my age). Usually the "orange drop" caps in the bias circuit short and cause this problem. Try replacing the two 4700pf caps at the bias oscillator. On the 481 they are C302 and C303. Probably one of them is shorted. If not, it's possible that the bias transistors (one or both) have shorted so replace Q301 and Q302 (again, working from the 481 schematic). Willy On 11/16/08, Peter T wrote: Hi I have a 482. It plays very well and all playback functions work.But it does not erase and record. When I put it in record mode one large resistor near the erase head connector plug gets very hot. Putting it back into playback mode it cools off. Can anyone help with this? Thanks Peter========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_5gb_112008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 17 23:33:45 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:33:45 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon Message-ID: <22314408.1226961225728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Kermit has it correct. IIRC the Teac reference level is 2 dB below dolby operating level (the Nakamichi reference level). I believe the MR1 was incorrectly set up, using Teac test cassettes. to -----Original Message----- >From: Kermit Gray >Sent: Nov 16, 2008 7:08 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon > >Hi Gene, > >On Nov 16, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Gene Ess wrote: > >> Hi Kermit, >> >> Very interesting. I was told that 0db on the Dragon is 1v and on >> the MR-1, 1.23v. What doesn't make sense to me is then why a 1v 0db >> tape made on the Dragon shows as +2db on the MR-1. Should it not >> show less than 0db if indeed 1.23v is 0db on a MR-1? > >Correct, 0db on the Dragon is 1 VAC AT THE OUPUT JACKS and on the MR-1 >is 1.23 VAC AT THE OUPUT JACKS. However, 0 dB on the meter actually >means 200 nWb/m flux, or Dolby level, typically. > >So, assuming that 0 dB on BOTH decks is 200 nWb/m, or Dolby level, >then both decks should read 0 dB levels when playing tapes recorded at >reference (0 dB), but the two decks will produce different output >voltages at the jacks for the same flux levels (recording levels) on >tape. > >CoNfUsEd? Not to worry, this trips up many techs. > >The tech may have confused flux reference levels with output signal >levels at the jacks. > >It may be possible that Nakamichi wanted the MR-1 to have better >"headroom" and set the level meter's reference 2 dB lower than the >standard 200 nWb/m flux level. If so, then I disagree with Nakamichi's >decision. (Or maybe they wanted the Dragon to have better signal-to- >noise and specified a higher-than-standard flux level.) I'm not sure >which of the two decks is calibrated to 200 nWb/m Dolby standard -- or >if either of them are. > >To ensure that Dolby cassettes reproduce correctly on all decks, >regardless of brand, flux levels on tape should be 200 nWb/m, and 0 dB >on the meter should be referred to that flux level. This is proper >studio practice, if nothing else. Stating the output voltage of a deck >as a function of level meter indication is a convenience to allow the >installer the ability to match the deck's output levels to the input >sensitivity of succeeding equipment for optimum headroom and signal-to- >noise ratios. Unfortunately, manufacturers also often use it as a >calibration reference, leading to confusion and non-standard >calibration. The better method is to calibrate the METER to reference >tone on the test tape, then confirm the jack output levels are the >stated voltage. If needed, adjust reproduce levle sin a manner that >the METER calibration isn't changed yet the output voltage is at the >manufacturer's rating. > >Regardless of factory spec, I always ensure that 0 dB on every >cassette deck I have refers to 200 nWb/m flux on tape. No worries, >then, as far as playback level compatibility. This is where I departed >from Nakamichi's protocols when I serviced them in the 1970s (back in >the era of the 350, 500, 550, 600, 600-II, 700, 700-II, 1000 and 1000- >II). My studio customers appreciated the fact that their Nakamichis >were spot-on to Dolby 200 nWb/m reference levels because this made >cassette mastering and duplication far easier for them. Audiophiles >appreciated it too -- they often told me that pre-recorded tapes >sounded perfect, as well as tapes from friends who had non-Nakamichi >decks. In my own experience I found I could make a master on my 600 or >600-II and pop it directly into a high-speed well duplicator (like >those made by Recordex, Telex, or Wollensak) and the dupes would sound >wonderful , far better than you would normally expect from those type >of duplicator. > >The only problem you may encounter with the different reference >levels standards of the two decks is Dolby mistracking. Your MR-1 >should be able to take the 2 dB higher levels without playback >distortion, assuming you don't record "hot." Tapes made on your MR-1 >may be slightly noisier than otherwise when played on the Dragon. > >Again, I'd suggest that both decks be calibrated to the Dolby 200 nWb/ >m flux levels, regardless of Nakamichi's protocols. > > >> >> The tech that worked on my MR-1 is quite sure that he did not do >> anything "wrong". He points to the fact that Nakamichi calls for >> different test tapes to calibrate the MR-1. I don't mind it if >> indeed the MR-1 is running at spec as the tapes made on the Dragon >> doesn't sound distorted. >> >> What I want to know for sure is if these 2 machines were indeed >> calibrated to different specs originally by Nakamichi and if so, why? >> >> Regards, >> >> Gene >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Kermit Gray >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:28 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon >> >> Hi Gene, >> >> My guess is that either the two decks have different playback >> calibration, or the MR-1 has its meter calibrated differently. All >> of my decks will show the same playback level, regardless of make >> and model. I'm a bit fussy about standardized levels. >> >> The MR-1 should indicate the same level meter indication as the >> Dragon, the only difference being that a higher signal level will >> appear at the MR's output jacks compared to the Dragon's output >> jacks for the same indicated levels. The level meters are supposed >> to be indicating flux-on-tape (modulation levels), so a 0-dB tone on >> any tape recorded properly on any deck should indicate 0 dB on any >> other deck (assuming the same calibration standard is applied). >> >> If it were me, I'd calibrate both decks' level meters to the same >> fluxivity. I'd pick the Dragon as the "reference", then recalibrate >> the MR's levels meters to agree with the Dragon's. After all, >> Dragons Rule. >> >> On Nov 16, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Gene Ess wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have a Dragon and MR-1. I noticed recordings made on Dragon >>> peaks higher on the MR-1 meters and recordings made on the MR-1 >>> shows lower on the Dragon. I checked with pre-recorded tapes and >>> it peaks quite high on the MR-1 but in normal range on the Dragon. >>> >>> Making a test tape at 0db , 440hz on the Dragon, it shows +2 on the >>> MR-1. And vice versa (0db tape on MR-1 shows -2db on Dragon). Is >>> this normal? A respected tech told me this is as it should be >>> because the specs between the 2 decks are different. >>> >>> I figure this has something to do with the fact that MR-1 is a >>> balanced level machine but not sure. Any one know for sure? >>> >>> Gene >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> -- Kermit Gray >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >> Skype ID: triodelicacy >> >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > >-- Kermit Gray >notarbene at kvglabs.com >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to Make Your Music Better >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >Telephone: 913-422-0957 >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Mon Nov 17 23:37:05 2008 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (shorty at nznet.gen.nz) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:37:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 vs CR5 In-Reply-To: <200810021001.m92A0aZs024042@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I am curious as to how people rate the CR4 vs the CR5. Though I don't have my service manuals handy.. (still in storage along with my decks :o{ ) the two decks appear to have the same transport/head assembly, so differences will be down to electronics?, cosmetics aside. Manual tape cal on the CR4 appears to be an advantage over bias only on the earlier CR5,and a marginally better HF on paper for the CR4.. 21K vs 20K.. but I will be very keen to hear expert opinion!!. cheers, Martin From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 17 23:48:37 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:48:37 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem, needs help from the Pro. Message-ID: <26756193.1226962117788.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From albert.k at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 02:43:17 2008 From: albert.k at gmail.com (Albert Khurshudian) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:43:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem, needs help from the Pro. In-Reply-To: <26756193.1226962117788.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <26756193.1226962117788.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4f34081e0811171743l6bc1dc5ay848a2653bf53030e@mail.gmail.com> Thank you guys, I'll try that and let you know. Weller is $40 on Amazon right now. I am ordering. Best Regards, Al. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Tom can't move very well. Severe back spasms. Things are better now and I > am back at work. > > Find the orange cap on the dd motor drive board and relace it. IIRC it is > C516 1200pF. Please don't use a solder gun. Low cost irons designed for > electronics are available for $55 US . The Weller WLC100 is a good one. > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Albert Khurshudian > Sent: Nov 15, 2008 6:46 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 Problem, needs help from the Pro. > > Where is The guru?? > > On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 2:56 PM, wrote: > >> Hi There! Relax! I have no doubt! our in house guru Tom will come to >> you rescue in due time!:) with the correct diagnosis. >> Ali >> >> In a message dated 11/9/2008 12:11:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> albert.k at gmail.com writes: >> >> To All who can help... >> Hi, >> I have a nice ZX-9 I bought from someone. It has an issue with the main >> motor. It just does not spin. I am not familiar with the correct >> terminology, but for me it looks like a direct or linear motor. I have a >> multimeter and a solder gun. Also got the service manual. I have some >> electronic parts and can do a simple job. Does anybody can help to bring the >> nice deck back to life?? I am pretty sure someone here can exactly tell what >> needs to be replaced or where to look. Please, please help. >> >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday >> needs. 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URL: From guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz Tue Nov 18 03:27:42 2008 From: guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz (guennadi.lyskine at exicom.co.nz) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:27:42 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon In-Reply-To: <22314408.1226961225728.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hello everybody! Testing my Naks first time after I got each one and using brand-new 400Hz 200nWb/m Test Tape I notice difference in Reference Fluxivity of test tapes used to set the reproducer gain so that the VU-meter reads “0dB” which corresponds to particular Output Level of each model (600 mV for N-480, 1000mV for N-582, 1000 mV for N-680ZX, 1000mV for N-1000ZXL, 500 mV for CR-4 and 1000 mV for Dragon). Then I notice that earlier models like 480s, 582s, 680s, 1000ZXLs and early runs of Dragon required DA09005A 400Hz Level Tape with 200nWb/m Reference Fluxivity (all of them showed “0dB”with my 200nWb/m Test Tape). CR-4s and late Dragons required DA09005B 400Hz Level Tape and showed about 2dB above “0dB”. The question is: does DA09005B tape have 160nWb/m Reference Fluxivity at 400Hz (20*log(200/160)=1.938dB)? I’ve been told it does. Thanks in advance. Gennady Tom Brucker Sent by: naktalk-bounces at naks.com 18/11/2008 10:33 Please respond to Tom Brucker ; Please respond to Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks To Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks cc Subject Re: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon Kermit has it correct. IIRC the Teac reference level is 2 dB below dolby operating level (the Nakamichi reference level). I believe the MR1 was incorrectly set up, using Teac test cassettes. to -----Original Message----- >From: Kermit Gray >Sent: Nov 16, 2008 7:08 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon > >Hi Gene, > >On Nov 16, 2008, at 5:06 PM, Gene Ess wrote: > >> Hi Kermit, >> >> Very interesting. I was told that 0db on the Dragon is 1v and on >> the MR-1, 1.23v. What doesn't make sense to me is then why a 1v 0db >> tape made on the Dragon shows as +2db on the MR-1. Should it not >> show less than 0db if indeed 1.23v is 0db on a MR-1? > >Correct, 0db on the Dragon is 1 VAC AT THE OUPUT JACKS and on the MR-1 >is 1.23 VAC AT THE OUPUT JACKS. However, 0 dB on the meter actually >means 200 nWb/m flux, or Dolby level, typically. > >So, assuming that 0 dB on BOTH decks is 200 nWb/m, or Dolby level, >then both decks should read 0 dB levels when playing tapes recorded at >reference (0 dB), but the two decks will produce different output >voltages at the jacks for the same flux levels (recording levels) on >tape. > >CoNfUsEd? Not to worry, this trips up many techs. > >The tech may have confused flux reference levels with output signal >levels at the jacks. > >It may be possible that Nakamichi wanted the MR-1 to have better >"headroom" and set the level meter's reference 2 dB lower than the >standard 200 nWb/m flux level. If so, then I disagree with Nakamichi's >decision. (Or maybe they wanted the Dragon to have better signal-to- >noise and specified a higher-than-standard flux level.) I'm not sure >which of the two decks is calibrated to 200 nWb/m Dolby standard -- or >if either of them are. > >To ensure that Dolby cassettes reproduce correctly on all decks, >regardless of brand, flux levels on tape should be 200 nWb/m, and 0 dB >on the meter should be referred to that flux level. This is proper >studio practice, if nothing else. Stating the output voltage of a deck >as a function of level meter indication is a convenience to allow the >installer the ability to match the deck's output levels to the input >sensitivity of succeeding equipment for optimum headroom and signal-to- >noise ratios. Unfortunately, manufacturers also often use it as a >calibration reference, leading to confusion and non-standard >calibration. The better method is to calibrate the METER to reference >tone on the test tape, then confirm the jack output levels are the >stated voltage. If needed, adjust reproduce levle sin a manner that >the METER calibration isn't changed yet the output voltage is at the >manufacturer's rating. > >Regardless of factory spec, I always ensure that 0 dB on every >cassette deck I have refers to 200 nWb/m flux on tape. No worries, >then, as far as playback level compatibility. This is where I departed >from Nakamichi's protocols when I serviced them in the 1970s (back in >the era of the 350, 500, 550, 600, 600-II, 700, 700-II, 1000 and 1000- >II). My studio customers appreciated the fact that their Nakamichis >were spot-on to Dolby 200 nWb/m reference levels because this made >cassette mastering and duplication far easier for them. Audiophiles >appreciated it too -- they often told me that pre-recorded tapes >sounded perfect, as well as tapes from friends who had non-Nakamichi >decks. In my own experience I found I could make a master on my 600 or >600-II and pop it directly into a high-speed well duplicator (like >those made by Recordex, Telex, or Wollensak) and the dupes would sound >wonderful , far better than you would normally expect from those type >of duplicator. > >The only problem you may encounter with the different reference >levels standards of the two decks is Dolby mistracking. Your MR-1 >should be able to take the 2 dB higher levels without playback >distortion, assuming you don't record "hot." Tapes made on your MR-1 >may be slightly noisier than otherwise when played on the Dragon. > >Again, I'd suggest that both decks be calibrated to the Dolby 200 nWb/ >m flux levels, regardless of Nakamichi's protocols. > > >> >> The tech that worked on my MR-1 is quite sure that he did not do >> anything "wrong". He points to the fact that Nakamichi calls for >> different test tapes to calibrate the MR-1. I don't mind it if >> indeed the MR-1 is running at spec as the tapes made on the Dragon >> doesn't sound distorted. >> >> What I want to know for sure is if these 2 machines were indeed >> calibrated to different specs originally by Nakamichi and if so, why? >> >> Regards, >> >> Gene >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On >> Behalf Of Kermit Gray >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:28 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] level difference MR-1 vs Dragon >> >> Hi Gene, >> >> My guess is that either the two decks have different playback >> calibration, or the MR-1 has its meter calibrated differently. All >> of my decks will show the same playback level, regardless of make >> and model. I'm a bit fussy about standardized levels. >> >> The MR-1 should indicate the same level meter indication as the >> Dragon, the only difference being that a higher signal level will >> appear at the MR's output jacks compared to the Dragon's output >> jacks for the same indicated levels. The level meters are supposed >> to be indicating flux-on-tape (modulation levels), so a 0-dB tone on >> any tape recorded properly on any deck should indicate 0 dB on any >> other deck (assuming the same calibration standard is applied). >> >> If it were me, I'd calibrate both decks' level meters to the same >> fluxivity. I'd pick the Dragon as the "reference", then recalibrate >> the MR's levels meters to agree with the Dragon's. After all, >> Dragons Rule. >> >> On Nov 16, 2008, at 12:12 PM, Gene Ess wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have a Dragon and MR-1. I noticed recordings made on Dragon >>> peaks higher on the MR-1 meters and recordings made on the MR-1 >>> shows lower on the Dragon. I checked with pre-recorded tapes and >>> it peaks quite high on the MR-1 but in normal range on the Dragon. >>> >>> Making a test tape at 0db , 440hz on the Dragon, it shows +2 on the >>> MR-1. And vice versa (0db tape on MR-1 shows -2db on Dragon). Is >>> this normal? A respected tech told me this is as it should be >>> because the specs between the 2 decks are different. >>> >>> I figure this has something to do with the fact that MR-1 is a >>> balanced level machine but not sure. Any one know for sure? >>> >>> Gene >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> -- Kermit Gray >> notarbene at kvglabs.com >> KVG Laboratories >> Equipment to Make Your Music Better >> 16371 Lake Point Drive >> Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >> Telephone: 913-422-0957 >> Skype ID: triodelicacy >> >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > >-- Kermit Gray >notarbene at kvglabs.com >KVG Laboratories >Equipment to Make Your Music Better >16371 Lake Point Drive >Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA >Telephone: 913-422-0957 >Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Nov 18 16:30:31 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:30:31 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482 Message-ID: <17257374.1227022231008.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 16:41:22 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:41:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4922e22e.15528c0a.7735.2b57@mx.google.com> Back at home with my service manuals again. When time allows I'll pdf this manual and add it to the collection. The reason for your symptom is complete lack of bias. Bias is fed to the erase head first to erase previously recorded material on the tape and then mixed with the recording signal and fed to the record head to record the new material. No bias, no erasure or recording. That hot resistor is the final giveaway. R311 is the current limiter resistor for the bias oscillator. Look on the main circuit board near the front and find a round metal piece next to the erase head connector. That's the bias transformer. Behind that is one orange drop cap (C301). Continue back from there and find two orange drop caps (C302, C303). Those are the likely two. They are 4700pf polypropylene caps. Please don't use a soldering gun. See Tom Brucker's comments recently on suggestions for inexpensive soldering irons to use. Happy soldering Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 482 Thanks a lot, Willie, unfortunately I do not have a schematic for the 482 yet. I'm trying to get hold of one now. I have one for the 480 but other than the transport it is different. What I don't understand is when I put it in record mode and all lights light up accordingly I basically stay in the playback mode. In other words I hear the recording I'm trying to erase and record over. With some clicks and pops. Which means there is no erase function at all. Also, there is this overheated resistor. A big resistor at that. I'll try to get you its no on the PCB. Perhaps you can identify it better. I am not that great at the electronics, better at the mechanics. I have a soldering gun and I can get hold of the capacitors and transistors that need replacing but testing the whole record circuit is probably beyond me. Anyway, I'll try what you have suggested and if you come with another idea please, let me know Best regards Peter _____ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:16:57 -0500 From: willyherm at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 482 I'm not at my service manuals and there isn't one on Naks.com so I'm operating from memory (waning at my age). Usually the "orange drop" caps in the bias circuit short and cause this problem. Try replacing the two 4700pf caps at the bias oscillator. On the 481 they are C302 and C303. Probably one of them is shorted. If not, it's possible that the bias transistors (one or both) have shorted so replace Q301 and Q302 (again, working from the 481 schematic). Willy On 11/16/08, Peter T < > wrote: Hi I have a 482. It plays very well and all playback functions work.But it does not erase and record. When I put it in record mode one large resistor near the erase head connector plug gets very hot. Putting it back into playback mode it cools off. Can anyone help with this? 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URL: From mrm12000 at cableone.net Wed Nov 19 00:11:22 2008 From: mrm12000 at cableone.net (mrm12000 at cableone.net) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:11:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal Master 90 tapes for sale Message-ID: <52952.1227049882@cableone.net> Hello, I have nine sealed Sony Metal Master 90 tapes that I'm interested in selling. These go for more than $30 apiece on eBay, but I'm willing to consider offers from Naktalk members. These are brand new and never opened or used. I have one box of five and four loose tapes. I'm willing to sell them all at once or a few separately. If you're interested, let me know and perhaps we can work something out. Marc ---- Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http://www.cableone.net From pbtanner at hotmail.com Wed Nov 19 02:03:07 2008 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:03:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482 In-Reply-To: <4922e22e.15528c0a.7735.2b57@mx.google.com> References: <4922e22e.15528c0a.7735.2b57@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks for this, Willy. I have a soldering iron (I guess it's a soldering iron), a 15 dollar job I bought at Home Depot. I don't actually know the difference between a soldering gun and a soldering iron but I've used this before with some success. Where do I find Tom Brucker's comments on this? In any case I'll try as per your instructions and will let you know the result. Should I try to replace the resistor as well? It gets so hot it is impossible to touch. I was wondering how the solder didn't melt on the other side of the board. Regards and thanks again Peter From: willyherm at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 482Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:41:22 -0800 Back at home with my service manuals again. When time allows I’ll pdf this manual and add it to the collection. The reason for your symptom is complete lack of bias. Bias is fed to the erase head first to erase previously recorded material on the tape and then mixed with the recording signal and fed to the record head to record the new material. No bias, no erasure or recording. That hot resistor is the final giveaway. R311 is the current limiter resistor for the bias oscillator. Look on the main circuit board near the front and find a round metal piece next to the erase head connector. That’s the bias transformer. Behind that is one orange drop cap (C301). Continue back from there and find two orange drop caps (C302, C303). Those are the likely two. They are 4700pf polypropylene caps. Please don’t use a soldering gun. See Tom Brucker’s comments recently on suggestions for inexpensive soldering irons to use. Happy soldering Willy From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter TannerSent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:42 PMTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 482 Thanks a lot, Willie, unfortunately I do not have a schematic for the 482 yet. I'm trying to get hold of one now.I have one for the 480 but other than the transport it is different. What I don't understand is when I put itin record mode and all lights light up accordingly I basically stay in the playback mode. In other words I hear therecording I'm trying to erase and record over. With some clicks and pops. Which means there is no erase function at all. Also, there is this overheated resistor. A big resistor at that. I'll try to get you its no on the PCB. Perhapsyou can identify it better. I am not that great at the electronics, better at the mechanics. I have a solderinggun and I can get hold of the capacitors and transistors that need replacing but testing the whole record circuitis probably beyond me. Anyway, I'll try what you have suggested and if you come with another idea please, let meknow Best regards Peter Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:16:57 -0500From: willyherm at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 482I'm not at my service manuals and there isn't one on Naks.com so I'm operating from memory (waning at my age). Usually the "orange drop" caps in the bias circuit short and cause this problem. Try replacing the two 4700pf caps at the bias oscillator. On the 481 they are C302 and C303. Probably one of them is shorted. If not, it's possible that the bias transistors (one or both) have shorted so replace Q301 and Q302 (again, working from the 481 schematic). Willy On 11/16/08, Peter T < > wrote: Hi I have a 482. It plays very well and all playback functions work.But it does not erase and record. When I put it in record mode one large resistor near the erase head connector plug gets very hot. Putting it back into playback mode it cools off. Can anyone help with this? Thanks Peter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. Sign up today. _________________________________________________________________ Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brannigan_tom at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 03:50:14 2008 From: brannigan_tom at yahoo.com (TOM BRANNIGAN) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:50:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: BX 300.....Tape Eater!! In-Reply-To: <4922e22e.15528c0a.7735.2b57@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <937506.19862.qm@web58103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Greetings folks, Hopefully I'm initiating a new subject correctly.....a thousand apologies Tom, if this only gets to you. I just received a BX300 to go along with my BX125 that I've had since it was new in January 1987. I've recorded a few tapes on it so far with great results. My problem seems to be with other tapes that I've recorded with the 125. Every so often (it's happened 4 times so far) the machine will stop dead in it's tracks. I go to check on the tape in question and I find that the tape has loosened by about an inch......it's just dangling there! My 125 has never had such problems. The 125 has also taken it's trip to Nak Mecca.....ESLabs and Jeff replaced the rewind motor with a modified/more powerful one. I can really tell the difference with the rather slow rewind motor on the 300. Well anyway, I hope I explained the tape eating problem clearly. I LOVE the way this 300 sounds. I just hope there's a simple solution. At the moment, I'm using the 125 rewind/FF several times to tighten up the tape as best it can.........and sometimes it works......and sometimes it doesn't. Please HELP!! Thanks, Tom Brannigan -------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picture 3864.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 120779 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Nov 19 16:34:19 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:34:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: BX 300.....Tape Eater!! In-Reply-To: <937506.19862.qm@web58103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <937506.19862.qm@web58103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <492431FB.2060006@verizon.net> This behaviour is typically due to take up problems. most commonly caused by a worn idler tire. The part is very cheap and semi-easy to replace -- there are various instructions articles on how to do it. -- Ron TOM BRANNIGAN wrote: > Greetings folks, > > Hopefully I'm initiating a new subject correctly.....a thousand > apologies Tom, if this only gets to you. > > I just received a BX300 to go along with my BX125 that I've had since > it was new in January 1987. I've recorded a few tapes on it so far > with great results. My problem seems to be with other tapes that I've > recorded with the 125. Every so often (it's happened 4 times so far) > the machine will stop dead in it's tracks. I go to check on the tape > in question and I find that the tape has loosened by about an > inch......it's just dangling there! My 125 has never had such > problems. The 125 has also taken it's trip to Nak Mecca.....ESLabs and > Jeff replaced the rewind motor with a modified/more powerful one. I > can really tell the difference with the rather slow rewind motor on > the 300. > > Well anyway, I hope I explained the tape eating problem clearly. I > LOVE the way this 300 sounds. I just hope there's a simple solution. > At the moment, I'm using the 125 rewind/FF several times to tighten up > the tape as best it can.........and sometimes it works......and > sometimes it doesn't. > > Please HELP!! > > Thanks, Tom Brannigan > > -------------========= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 20:02:10 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:02:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482 In-Reply-To: <4922e22e.15528c0a.7735.2b57@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <213730.29655.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Willy, Does that mean that the erase bias changes with the tape type setting?  Bob N --- On Tue, 11/18/08, WillyHerm wrote: From: WillyHerm Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 482 To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 7:41 AM Back at home with my service manuals again.  When time allows I’ll pdf this manual and add it to the collection.  The reason for your symptom is complete lack of bias.  Bias is fed to the erase head first to erase previously recorded material on the tape and then mixed with the recording signal and fed to the record head to record the new material.  No bias, no erasure or recording.  That hot resistor is the final giveaway.  R311 is the current limiter resistor for the bias oscillator.    Look on the main circuit board near the front and find a round metal piece next to the erase head connector.  That’s the bias transformer.  Behind that is one orange drop cap (C301).  Continue back from there and find two orange drop caps (C302, C303).  Those are the likely two.  They are 4700pf polypropylene caps.  Please don’t use a soldering gun.  See Tom Brucker ’s comments recently on suggestions for inexpensive soldering irons to use.   Happy soldering   Willy   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 482   Thanks a lot, Willie, unfortunately I do not have a schematic for the 482 yet. I'm trying to get hold of one now. I have one for the 480 but other than the transport it is different. What I don't understand is when I put it in record mode and all lights light up accordingly I basically stay in the playback mode. In other words I hear the recording I'm trying to erase and record over. With some clicks and pops. Which means there is no erase function at all. Also, there is this overheated resistor. A big resistor at that. I'll try to get you its no on the PCB. Perhaps you can identify it better. I am not that great at the electronics, better at the mechanics. I have a soldering gun and I can get hold of the capacitors and transistors that need replacing but testing the whole record circuit is probably beyond me. Anyway, I'll try what you have suggested and if you come with another idea please, let me know   Best regards   Peter   Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:16:57 -0500 From: willyherm at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 482 I'm not at my service manuals and there isn't one on Naks.com so I'm operating from memory (waning at my age).  Usually the "orange drop" caps in the bias circuit short and cause this problem.  Try replacing the two 4700pf caps at the bias oscillator.  On the 481 they are C302 and C303.  Probably one of them is shorted.  If not, it's possible that the bias transistors (one or both) have shorted so replace Q301 and Q302 (again, working from the 481 schematic).  Willy On 11/16/08, Peter T < > wrote: Hi   I have a 482. It plays very well and all playback functions work.But it does not erase and record. When I put it in record mode one large resistor near the erase head connector plug gets very hot. Putting it back into playback mode it cools off. 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URL: From brannigan_tom at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 20:58:52 2008 From: brannigan_tom at yahoo.com (TOM BRANNIGAN) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:58:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: BX 300.....Tape Eater!! In-Reply-To: <492431FB.2060006@verizon.net> Message-ID: <59795.176.qm@web58103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Thanks for the feedback. The machine is recording like a dream. It just freaks out with tapes IT didn't record when it's in the play mode!!  I'm going to keep going until something stops. Tom Brannigan --- On Wed, 11/19/08, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: BX 300.....Tape Eater!! To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 7:34 AM This behaviour is typically due to take up problems. most commonly caused by a worn idler tire. The part is very cheap and semi-easy to replace -- there are various instructions articles on how to do it. -- Ron TOM BRANNIGAN wrote: Greetings folks, Hopefully I'm initiating a new subject correctly.....a thousand apologies Tom, if this only gets to you. I just received a BX300 to go along with my BX125 that I've had since it was new in January 1987. I've recorded a few tapes on it so far with great results. My problem seems to be with other tapes that I've recorded with the 125. Every so often (it's happened 4 times so far) the machine will stop dead in it's tracks. I go to check on the tape in question and I find that the tape has loosened by about an inch......it's just dangling there! My 125 has never had such problems. The 125 has also taken it's trip to Nak Mecca.....ESLabs and Jeff replaced the rewind motor with a modified/more powerful one. I can really tell the difference with the rather slow rewind motor on the 300. Well anyway, I hope I explained the tape eating problem clearly. I LOVE the way this 300 sounds. I just hope there's a simple solution. At the moment, I'm using the 125 rewind/FF several times to tighten up the tape as best it can.........and sometimes it works......and sometimes it doesn't. Please HELP!! 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URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 21:45:46 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:45:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482 In-Reply-To: <213730.29655.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49247afd.09038e0a.74e9.1126@mx.google.com> No. The erase head is always the full output of the bias oscillator. That same signal is attenuated to varying degrees for the tape types then mixed with the audio signal and fed to the record head. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naylor Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:02 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 482 Willy, Does that mean that the erase bias changes with the tape type setting? Bob N --- On Tue, 11/18/08, WillyHerm wrote: From: WillyHerm Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 482 To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 7:41 AM Back at home with my service manuals again. When time allows I?ll pdf this manual and add it to the collection. The reason for your symptom is complete lack of bias. Bias is fed to the erase head first to erase previously recorded material on the tape and then mixed with the recording signal and fed to the record head to record the new material. No bias, no erasure or recording. That hot resistor is the final giveaway. R311 is the current limiter resistor for the bias oscillator. Look on the main circuit board near the front and find a round metal piece next to the erase head connector. That?s the bias transformer. Behind that is one orange drop cap (C301). Continue back from there and find two orange drop caps (C302, C303). Those are the likely two. They are 4700pf polypropylene caps. Please don?t use a soldering gun. See Tom Brucker ?s comments recently on suggestions for inexpensive soldering irons to use. Happy soldering Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tanner Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 482 Thanks a lot, Willie, unfortunately I do not have a schematic for the 482 yet. I'm trying to get hold of one now. I have one for the 480 but other than the transport it is different. What I don't understand is when I put it in record mode and all lights light up accordingly I basically stay in the playback mode. In other words I hear the recording I'm trying to erase and record over. With some clicks and pops. Which means there is no erase function at all. Also, there is this overheated resistor. A big resistor at that. I'll try to get you its no on the PCB. Perhaps you can identify it better. I am not that great at the electronics, better at the mechanics. I have a soldering gun and I can get hold of the capacitors and transistors that need replacing but testing the whole record circuit is probably beyond me. Anyway, I'll try what you have suggested and if you come with another idea please, let me know Best regards Peter _____ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:16:57 -0500 From: willyherm at gmail.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 482 I'm not at my service manuals and there isn't one on Naks.com so I'm operating from memory (waning at my age). Usually the "orange drop" caps in the bias circuit short and cause this problem. Try replacing the two 4700pf caps at the bias oscillator. On the 481 they are C302 and C303. Probably one of them is shorted. If not, it's possible that the bias transistors (one or both) have shorted so replace Q301 and Q302 (again, working from the 481 schematic). Willy On 11/16/08, Peter T < > wrote: Hi I have a 482. It plays very well and all playback functions work.But it does not erase and record. When I put it in record mode one large resistor near the erase head connector plug gets very hot. Putting it back into playback mode it cools off. Can anyone help with this? Thanks Peter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. Sign up today. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Thu Nov 20 03:58:02 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:58:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] difference bx-300 and zx-5 Message-ID: Hi, Anyone know the difference between the bx-300 and zx-5? I don't seem to see any and that these decks are equal. Gene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 09:30:23 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:30:23 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] difference bx-300 and zx-5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <518b7b10811200030n3ab2482i72d12de4c7d38bd5@mail.gmail.com> BX-300 was marketed in Japan as ZX-5. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:58 AM, Gene Ess wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone know the difference between the bx-300 and zx-5? I don't seem to see > any and that these decks are equal. > > > Gene > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From pbtanner at hotmail.com Thu Nov 20 12:02:56 2008 From: pbtanner at hotmail.com (Peter Tanner) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:02:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482 In-Reply-To: <4922e22e.15528c0a.7735.2b57@mx.google.com> References: <4922e22e.15528c0a.7735.2b57@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Yes, it has worked. Thanks. It now erases and records and the resistor R311 doesn't get hot anymore. I've demagnetized and cleaned the heads as well and set up the bias for Maxell XL2S tapes. The recordings are a little dull, nonetheless. Guess I should try to calibrate it but I don't have any calibrating tapes unfortunately. Plus no schematic. Have only the 480 and 481. The caps I used are Wima 4700 pf polypropylene ones. I don't know how they compare to the original orange caps. What's written on them is this: 4700 630-N7. Anyway, thanks again Peter From: willyherm at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 482Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:41:22 -0800 Back at home with my service manuals again. When time allows I’ll pdf this manual and add it to the collection. The reason for your symptom is complete lack of bias. Bias is fed to the erase head first to erase previously recorded material on the tape and then mixed with the recording signal and fed to the record head to record the new material. No bias, no erasure or recording. That hot resistor is the final giveaway. R311 is the current limiter resistor for the bias oscillator. Look on the main circuit board near the front and find a round metal piece next to the erase head connector. That’s the bias transformer. Behind that is one orange drop cap (C301). Continue back from there and find two orange drop caps (C302, C303). Those are the likely two. They are 4700pf polypropylene caps. Please don’t use a soldering gun. See Tom Brucker’s comments recently on suggestions for inexpensive soldering irons to use. Happy soldering Willy From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Peter TannerSent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:42 PMTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Nak 482 Thanks a lot, Willie, unfortunately I do not have a schematic for the 482 yet. I'm trying to get hold of one now.I have one for the 480 but other than the transport it is different. What I don't understand is when I put itin record mode and all lights light up accordingly I basically stay in the playback mode. In other words I hear therecording I'm trying to erase and record over. With some clicks and pops. Which means there is no erase function at all. Also, there is this overheated resistor. A big resistor at that. I'll try to get you its no on the PCB. Perhapsyou can identify it better. I am not that great at the electronics, better at the mechanics. I have a solderinggun and I can get hold of the capacitors and transistors that need replacing but testing the whole record circuitis probably beyond me. Anyway, I'll try what you have suggested and if you come with another idea please, let meknow Best regards Peter Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:16:57 -0500From: willyherm at gmail.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 482I'm not at my service manuals and there isn't one on Naks.com so I'm operating from memory (waning at my age). Usually the "orange drop" caps in the bias circuit short and cause this problem. Try replacing the two 4700pf caps at the bias oscillator. On the 481 they are C302 and C303. Probably one of them is shorted. If not, it's possible that the bias transistors (one or both) have shorted so replace Q301 and Q302 (again, working from the 481 schematic). Willy On 11/16/08, Peter T < > wrote: Hi I have a 482. It plays very well and all playback functions work.But it does not erase and record. When I put it in record mode one large resistor near the erase head connector plug gets very hot. Putting it back into playback mode it cools off. Can anyone help with this? Thanks Peter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========---------------------------------------------------------========= Get 5 GB of storage with Windows Live Hotmail. Sign up today. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_112008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He hooked it up to his stereo, and showed me how only one channel worked, because he used a cheap interconnect, the the pin inside the connector pulled out and got stuck inside the Naks output RCA jack. I though what the Hell, what do I have to lose for $30? I got it home, pulled off the cover, and luckily the broken pin was exposed enough on the inside of the RCA jack, that I was able to push it out far enough on the outside to grab onto it with a pair of needle nose. I hooked it up, all lights work, all functions seem to work.. but I get a sense that the belts are worn as I can detect some sloppiness in the controlling of the tape mechanism. It's nice to have another Nak since selling my Dragon, which was the most horrible experience I have ever had in audio or any type of getting something fixed. I would like to find a nice 700zxl or 1000zxl to purchase (I missed a nice one on Ebay a few months ago) maybe someone has a lead? But for now, I guess this one will keep me occupied. A big question: Does anyone know of a qualified and reliable/honest tech in Washington State that I could have do the work on this Nak and any other I may get in the future? I really don't want to ship decks anymore... I look foreward to "participating" alot more now that I actually have a working deck... Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 20:42:38 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:42:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] I'm back! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <772276.82252.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have had Willy work on two 660zx, two 670zx, one 680zx and I bought a 680 from him. I think he is the expert right now. Some don't rate the deck as highly due to the lack of tape monitor, but it is otherwise every bit as good as the 670zx and usually a bargain. Willy can let you know if your deck is worth the fix up or should it be for spares and you can then hunt down a 670zx or another 660zx. Just pack it up really, really well so that it can roll down a mountain side and then get run over by a forklift and you'll have nothing to worry about! I have no regrets spending money on getting the 660zx fixed. If the heads etc. are good the sound on any zx deck is stunning! David From tbone76doublebass at comcast.net Thu Nov 20 21:12:36 2008 From: tbone76doublebass at comcast.net (tbone76doublebass at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] I'm back! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1455184477.816971227211956104.JavaMail.root@sz0145a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'm in WA. The only one I know of is John at Northwest Audio, But he's into Teac more then Nakamichi. Don Curry ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICHARD FIne" To: "naktalk" Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:10:14 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [naktalk] I'm back! Hello! Finally I can feel closer to the goup, instead of "lurking" he he he   :^)   I just purchased a working 660zx that seems to function find, but of course needing new belts, alignment, and calibration. What's the word on this deck, is it worth spending $$ to get it up to spec? I noticed it for sale in a Craig's list ad.. I called and the person said that he would like $30 if I thought that to be fair. I drove over and looked at it..the face is very, but the cover has a few scratches (maybe just repaint?). He hooked it up to his stereo, and showed me how only one channel worked, because he used a cheap interconnect, the the pin inside the connector pulled out and got stuck inside the Naks output RCA jack. I though what the Hell, what do I have to lose for $30? I got it home, pulled off the cover, and luckily the broken pin was exposed enough on the inside of the RCA jack, that I was able to push it out far enough on the outside to grab onto it with a pair of needle nose. I hooked it up, all lights work, all functions seem to work.. but I get a sense that the belts are worn as I can detect some sloppiness in the controlling of the tape mechanism.   It's nice to have another Nak since selling my Dragon, which was the most horrible experience I have ever had in audio or any type of getting something fixed.   I would like to find a nice 700zxl or 1000zxl to purchase (I missed a nice one on Ebay a few months ago) maybe someone has a lead? But for now, I guess this one will keep me occupied.   A big question:   Does anyone know of a qualified and reliable/honest tech in Washington State that I could have do the work on this Nak and any other I may get in the future? I really don't want to ship decks anymore...   I look foreward to "participating" alot more now that I actually have a working deck...   Rick   ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Nov 21 08:13:18 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:13:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482 In-Reply-To: References: <4922e22e.15528c0a.7735.2b57@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3153CC29-5E6D-4D9F-9CAC-03EEDAA136B1@peromarta.org> I can help you with that ;) http://peromarta.es/naks/cal_tapes.html Best rgds, LP. El 20/11/2008, a las 12:02, Peter Tanner escribió: > Guess I should try to calibrate it but I don't have any calibrating > tapes unfortunately. From davidt124 at internode.on.net Fri Nov 21 12:57:30 2008 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:57:30 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Message-ID: Mario in Australia is selling a 1000ZXL for AU$9,995! Another one went recently for less than $600. Note that the Aussie dollar today was down to around 62 cents against the US$. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NAKAMICHI-1000ZXL-LIMITED-EXTREMELY-RARE-COLLECTABLE_ W0QQitemZ330287788267QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Cassette_Decks?hash=item330287788 267&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 I am also selling my SR3 receiver after picking up an Arcam. The Elliott phono preamp I was building came out very well. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Rare-Nakamichi-SR3-Stasis-Receiver_W0QQitemZ250325626 990QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Electronics_Home_Audio_Tuners_Receivers?hash=item25 0325626990&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1 318 David From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Fri Nov 21 14:09:56 2008 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:09:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 482 References: <4922e22e.15528c0a.7735.2b57@mx.google.com> <3153CC29-5E6D-4D9F-9CAC-03EEDAA136B1@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <8026E09226264340AD3E3EA70FA18DA6@superdator> Luis! I also need a new set of test tapes. How can i buy them? Pelle Ericsson. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Peromarta" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 482 >I can help you with that ;) > > http://peromarta.es/naks/cal_tapes.html > > Best rgds, LP. > > > El 20/11/2008, a las 12:02, Peter Tanner escribió: > >> Guess I should try to calibrate it but I don't have any calibrating >> tapes unfortunately. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 15:29:03 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:29:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:I'm back! In-Reply-To: <200811211102.mALB1Eu0001416@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <788805.95856.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I live in WA and although there is probably someone Seattle way, save yourself the anguish of exploration and exasperation and just use Willy Hermann here. You can do no better and he's in CA. Speaking of shipping debacles, I sent a PO money order to a Tandberg tech in NY through Priority Mail and it's now officially lost. I always save the MO receipts, but somehow, I lost this one. However, I have the counter receipt from the PO. They (the fine postal workers), can't even tell me here if that is enough-they said they send the recovery claim off somewhere and handed me a form. I can honestly say that I've never lost $600 before, even gambling.....what a beeeetch. Kevin Message: 3 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:10:14 -0800 From: RICHARD FIne Subject: [naktalk] I'm back! To: naktalk Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A big question: Does anyone know of a qualified and reliable/honest tech in Washington State that I could have do the work on this Nak and any other I may get in the future? I really don't want to ship decks anymore... I look foreward to "participating" alot more now that I actually have a working deck... Rick From brannigan_tom at yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 16:33:22 2008 From: brannigan_tom at yahoo.com (TOM BRANNIGAN) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:33:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:I'm back! Message-ID: <78701.30444.qm@web58104.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Sorry about your postal misfortunes, but I  noticed that you mentioned Willy Hermann as a competent NAK tech. Do you have his contact information. Any info would be greatly appreciated. I read multi posts that include Willy's name, but until your post, I didn't even know what state he was located in. I sure wish we had a search function with the archives. Thanks, Tom Brannigan --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Re:I'm back! To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 6:29 AM I live in WA and although there is probably someone Seattle way, save yourself the anguish of exploration and exasperation and just use Willy Hermann here. You can do no better and he's in CA. Speaking of shipping debacles, I sent a PO money order to a Tandberg tech in NY through Priority Mail and it's now officially lost. I always save the MO receipts, but somehow, I lost this one. However, I have the counter receipt from the PO. They (the fine postal workers), can't even tell me here if that is enough-they said they send the recovery claim off somewhere and handed me a form. I can honestly say that I've never lost $600 before, even gambling.....what a beeeetch. Kevin Message: 3 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:10:14 -0800 From: RICHARD FIne Subject: [naktalk] I'm back! To: naktalk Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A big question: Does anyone know of a qualified and reliable/honest tech in Washington State that I could have do the work on this Nak and any other I may get in the future? I really don't want to ship decks anymore... I look foreward to "participating" alot more now that I actually have a working deck... Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 21 17:42:17 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:42:17 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re:I'm back! Message-ID: <18974414.1227285737600.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I was a participant in Richard's Dragon debacle, and I too have lost confidence in shipping. Last month we repaired shipping damage for a McIntosh MHT100, returned it DHL (a different carrier) in FACTORY packing, and it was damaged again! Today I just unpacked a plasma panel...cracked in shipping with no box damage. It was in a metal box mounted vertically on a pallet! Let's put together a photo essay of the BEST SHIPPING PRACTICES to share on NakTalk. Someone needs to find an equivalent to the dense foam Nakamichi used to pack 680s in. Richard, you might consider an Audio Karma "Pony Express" delivery of your 660. If the 660 came with a factory box, it ought to survive shipping to California. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Fetner >Sent: Nov 21, 2008 8:29 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re:I'm back! > >I live in WA and although there is probably someone Seattle way, save yourself the anguish of exploration and exasperation and just use Willy Hermann here. You can do no better and he's in CA. > >Speaking of shipping debacles, I sent a PO money order to a Tandberg tech in NY through Priority Mail and it's now officially lost. I always save the MO receipts, but somehow, I lost this one. However, I have the counter receipt from the PO. They (the fine postal workers), can't even tell me here if that is enough-they said they send the recovery claim off somewhere and handed me a form. I can honestly say that I've never lost $600 before, even gambling.....what a beeeetch. > >Kevin > > >Message: 3 >Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:10:14 -0800 >From: RICHARD FIne >Subject: [naktalk] I'm back! >To: naktalk >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >A big question: > >Does anyone know of a qualified and reliable/honest tech in Washington State that I could have do the work on this Nak and any other I may get in the future? >I really don't want to ship decks anymore... > >I look foreward to "participating" alot more now that I actually have a working deck... > >Rick > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From willyherm at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 17:55:39 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:55:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re:I'm back! In-Reply-To: <78701.30444.qm@web58104.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4926e811.1e048e0a.1ce2.ffffb931@mx.google.com> Hi Tom - I'm here. You can contact me off line at willy at willyhermannservices.com . Thanks Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of TOM BRANNIGAN Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:I'm back! Sorry about your postal misfortunes, but I noticed that you mentioned Willy Hermann as a competent NAK tech. Do you have his contact information. Any info would be greatly appreciated. I read multi posts that include Willy's name, but until your post, I didn't even know what state he was located in. I sure wish we had a search function with the archives. Thanks, Tom Brannigan --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Kevin Fetner wrote: From: Kevin Fetner Subject: [naktalk] Re:I'm back! To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 6:29 AM I live in WA and although there is probably someone Seattle way, save yourself the anguish of exploration and exasperation and just use Willy Hermann here. You can do no better and he's in CA. Speaking of shipping debacles, I sent a PO money order to a Tandberg tech in NY through Priority Mail and it's now officially lost. I always save the MO receipts, but somehow, I lost this one. However, I have the counter receipt from the PO. They (the fine postal workers), can't even tell me here if that is enough-they said they send the recovery claim off somewhere and handed me a form. I can honestly say that I've never lost $600 before, even gambling.....what a beeeetch. Kevin Message: 3 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:10:14 -0800 From: RICHARD FIne Subject: [naktalk] I'm back! To: naktalk Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A big question: Does anyone know of a qualified and reliable/honest tech in Washington State that I could have do the work on this Nak and any other I may get in the future? I really don't want to ship decks anymore... I look foreward to "participating" alot more now that I actually have a working deck... Rick ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 19:12:59 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:12:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:I'm back! In-Reply-To: <78701.30444.qm@web58104.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <910011.90593.qm@web50506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Willy is on the list and last wrote in a few days ago. His email is willyherm at gmail.com. --- On Fri, 11/21/08, TOM BRANNIGAN wrote: > Do you have his contact information. From fripp_em at yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 19:45:45 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:45:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:I'm back! In-Reply-To: <18974414.1227285737600.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <823338.85273.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Before he passed away, Joel "the turntable guy" sent me a heavy turntable that was very well packed and survived. I wonder if it would have survived the journey across the country the way carelessness has infected shipping. We had a $60,000 server shipped to my company last month that was forklift "dented". You could no longer swap out the hot swappable power supplies etc. It was ruined and the shipper will have to eat the cost. Looks like the turntable factory still has up their "how to pack a turntable" web page (Joel would give you personal instructions if you wanted to help you out). I pointed a few ebay sellers at the page and it helped me get some items with intelligent packing (or not depending on if they bothered to read it). http://www.theturntablefactory.com/packing.html David --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Tom Brucker wrote: > I was a participant in Richard's Dragon debacle, and I > too have lost confidence in shipping. Last month we repaired > shipping damage for a McIntosh MHT100, returned it DHL (a > different carrier) in FACTORY packing, and it was damaged > again! Today I just unpacked a plasma panel...cracked in > shipping with no box damage. It was in a metal box mounted > vertically on a pallet! > Let's put together a photo essay of the BEST > SHIPPING PRACTICES to share on NakTalk. Someone needs > to find an equivalent to the dense foam Nakamichi used to > pack 680s in. > Richard, you might consider an Audio Karma "Pony > Express" delivery of your 660. If the 660 came with a > factory box, it ought to survive shipping to California. > > tom brucker From willyherm at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 19:45:57 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:45:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re:I'm back! In-Reply-To: <18974414.1227285737600.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <492701eb.1e078e0a.074d.ffff8a52@mx.google.com> I'm now using a system of double boxing using two NEW boxes which are only a double bubble wrap difference in size. Lots of the problems I see are from using boxes too large which allow the unit to float around inside. I've shipped USPS, UPS and FedEx with this system and so far have had zero damaged units. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:42 AM To: shoeihell at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:I'm back! I was a participant in Richard's Dragon debacle, and I too have lost confidence in shipping. Last month we repaired shipping damage for a McIntosh MHT100, returned it DHL (a different carrier) in FACTORY packing, and it was damaged again! Today I just unpacked a plasma panel...cracked in shipping with no box damage. It was in a metal box mounted vertically on a pallet! Let's put together a photo essay of the BEST SHIPPING PRACTICES to share on NakTalk. Someone needs to find an equivalent to the dense foam Nakamichi used to pack 680s in. Richard, you might consider an Audio Karma "Pony Express" delivery of your 660. If the 660 came with a factory box, it ought to survive shipping to California. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Fetner >Sent: Nov 21, 2008 8:29 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re:I'm back! > >I live in WA and although there is probably someone Seattle way, save yourself the anguish of exploration and exasperation and just use Willy Hermann here. You can do no better and he's in CA. > >Speaking of shipping debacles, I sent a PO money order to a Tandberg tech in NY through Priority Mail and it's now officially lost. I always save the MO receipts, but somehow, I lost this one. However, I have the counter receipt from the PO. They (the fine postal workers), can't even tell me here if that is enough-they said they send the recovery claim off somewhere and handed me a form. I can honestly say that I've never lost $600 before, even gambling.....what a beeeetch. > >Kevin > > >Message: 3 >Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:10:14 -0800 >From: RICHARD FIne >Subject: [naktalk] I'm back! >To: naktalk >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >A big question: > >Does anyone know of a qualified and reliable/honest tech in Washington State that I could have do the work on this Nak and any other I may get in the future? >I really don't want to ship decks anymore... > >I look foreward to "participating" alot more now that I actually have a working deck... > >Rick > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 17:06:36 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:06:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:I'm back!/OT In-Reply-To: <200811221103.mAMB1Lm4001499@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <7988.31712.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I was bidding on a Empire 698 recently and the seller was being pretty flip with his answers to buyers (not to me though). If I had won the TT, I was going to send him to Joel's link on "How to pack a turntable".  However, the TT sold for a bit more than I bid, (but who knows how high that buyer would have gone?). I think Willy's double-box method is about the best you can do these days-that and a hell of a lot of insurance.;-) Kevin Message: 8 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:45:45 -0800 (PST) From: fripp_em Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:I'm back! To: naktalk at naks.com, Tom Brucker Message-ID: <823338.85273.qm at web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Before he passed away, Joel "the turntable guy" sent me a heavy turntable that was very well packed and survived.  I wonder if it would have survived the journey across the country the way carelessness has infected shipping.  We had a $60,000 server shipped to my company last month that was forklift "dented".  You could no longer swap out the hot swappable power supplies etc.  It was ruined and the shipper will have to eat the cost. Looks like the turntable factory still has up their "how to pack a turntable" web page (Joel would give you personal instructions if you wanted to help you out).  I pointed a few ebay sellers at the page and it helped me get some items with intelligent packing (or not depending on if they bothered to read it). http://www.theturntablefactory.com/packing.html David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The cage is solid hard steel on the bottom.When receiving the cage from the dock,it is pushed into the postal office and off loaded.The top portion of the cage is opened and if loaded to the top when open everything simply falls out onto the concrete floor.Then we would throw the parcels into spring loaded hampers.Each hamper might hold 20 parcels to 50 depending on size. Your parcel might be on the bottom of the hamper getting squished with heavier items thrown on top of it. The only thing I would hand carry to the carriers position would be metal airplane water skeeees. TO HEAVY about 70 pounds each. Thw way the hampers were seperated on the floor it was not uncomman to throw the parcel 15 feet in the air to get it in the hamper.We did not have the time to hand carry every parcel to the mail carriers work station.Our job was to throw them in the hampers from a stationary position. In our office we had 12 hampers which represented the 12 rural routes we had. Unless the item was HAND WRITTEN IN BIG LETTERS FRAGILE HANDEL WITH CARE WE DIDNT. Time was of the upmost priority not your parcel. If u have any other questions feel free to email me. Don Curry  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Fetner" To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:06:36 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [naktalk] Re:I'm back!/OT I was bidding on a Empire 698 recently and the seller was being pretty flip with his answers to buyers (not to me though). If I had won the TT, I was going to send him to Joel's link on "How to pack a turntable".  However, the TT sold for a bit more than I bid, (but who knows how high that buyer would have gone?). I think Willy's double-box method is about the best you can do these days-that and a hell of a lot of insurance.;-) Kevin Message: 8 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:45:45 -0800 (PST) From: fripp_em < fripp_em at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:I'm back! To: naktalk at naks.com , Tom Brucker < hitech77 at earthlink.net > Message-ID: < 823338.85273.qm at web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Before he passed away, Joel "the turntable guy" sent me a heavy turntable that was very well packed and survived.  I wonder if it would have survived the journey across the country the way carelessness has infected shipping.  We had a $60,000 server shipped to my company last month that was forklift "dented".  You could no longer swap out the hot swappable power supplies etc.  It was ruined and the shipper will have to eat the cost. Looks like the turntable factory still has up their "how to pack a turntable" web page (Joel would give you personal instructions if you wanted to help you out).  I pointed a few ebay sellers at the page and it helped me get some items with intelligent packing (or not depending on if they bothered to read it). http://www.theturntablefactory.com/packing.html David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sat Nov 22 23:15:54 2008 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (shorty at nznet.gen.nz) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:15:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Mario's 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <200811221101.mAMB05tG001437@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: David, There was some debate on Stereonet when this deck first appeared on Aussie ebay at AUD 10,000 some time ago, and Mario has been trying to sell it for a while.It was on the market a while before I left Sydney!!. He has discounted the price down to 9995.00, as 10K straight is not a good marketing point!! Mario's machine is supposed to be in superb original condition and fully functional, so how long it would continue to work prior to a service is anyone's guess. Also, though he has the original box, cover, etc, there was no mention of the outboard dolby C unit supplied with the ZXL LTD. Note: I haven't viewed this unit myself, but others have, and their word is good enough for me as far as condition goes. Mario deals in second hand Hifi and seems to be a credible trader based on feedback from the Aussie forum, self included, so this is not a dodgy deal, and he generally knows what he has as far as pricing goes, so bargain hunters need to look elsewhere. But, the fact that he still has his LTD indicates that it is somewhat over priced for the current international market. Martin From rjlbjk at verizon.net Sat Nov 22 23:26:08 2008 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:26:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:I'm back!/OT In-Reply-To: <7988.31712.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <200811221103.mAMB1Lm4001499@zxe.naks.com> <7988.31712.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0KAR00K0PABHCHQ8@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Kevin, I think I know the auction that you were referring in your post. I also asked the very same question and actually pointed out in the Q&A that you had a legitimate concern. Basically, I also got a stupid answer back that they'll 'be careful'. On another Dual auction, I asked the seller to be specific on how they would pack the turntable for shipment. The seller was DEAD ON and told me exactly what she would do and pretty much followed the Turntable Factory guidelines. I find that most TT sellers are NOT amenable to being shown the Factory method of shipping and pretty much get insulted when I ask about shipping methods. Then I don't bid and look for something else. Double boxing with a layer of insulation is a great method. At 11:06 AM 11/22/2008, you wrote: >I was bidding on a Empire 698 recently and the seller was being >pretty flip with his answers to buyers (not to me though). If I had >won the TT, I was going to send him to Joel's link on "How to pack a >turntable". However, the TT sold for a bit more than I bid, (but >who knows how high that buyer would have gone?). > >I think Willy's double-box method is about the best you can do these >days-that and a hell of a lot of insurance.;-) > >Kevin > > >Message: 8 >Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:45:45 -0800 (PST) >From: fripp_em ><fripp_em at yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:I'm back! >To: >naktalk at naks.com, >Tom Brucker ><hitech77 at earthlink.net> >Message-ID: ><823338.85273.qm at web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Before he passed away, Joel "the turntable guy" sent me a heavy >turntable that was very well packed and survived. I wonder if it >would have survived the journey across the country the way >carelessness has infected shipping. We had a $60,000 server shipped >to my company last month that was forklift "dented". You could no >longer swap out the hot swappable power supplies etc. It was ruined >and the shipper will have to eat the cost. > >Looks like the turntable factory still has up their "how to pack a >turntable" web page (Joel would give you personal instructions if >you wanted to help you out). I pointed a few ebay sellers at the >page and it helped me get some items with intelligent packing (or >not depending on if they bothered to read it). > >http://www.theturntablefactory.com/packing.html > >David >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 05:51:00 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:51:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:I'm back!/OT Message-ID: <654018.52783.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Roland, So that was you on the Empire auction? You were very kind & gentle in referring to my question (which I thought legitimate), thank you. The seller on the other hand was very flippant, even obnoxious in his answers. I cringed when I saw the final bid price, but was also kind of relieved because I was right up there and wondering how many broken pieces the TT would arrive in. More and more buyers are overextending themselves and the same items keep coming back like they're on a turnstile. Recently there was a Tandberg TD-20A SE that has been through THREE times and the seller pretends that he doesn't care-whatever??! Don C......OK thanks for that, now I'll have nightmares about USPS which has been my favorite carrier as of late.;-) I have seen heavy packages fall fifteen feet off a conveyor belt at UPS, so sure, why not everywhere? Like I always say about shipping, there's a war out there. Kevin --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Roland wrote: From: Roland Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:I'm back!/OT To: shoeihell at yahoo.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 2:26 PM Kevin, I think I know the auction that you were referring in your post.  I also asked the very same question and actually pointed out in the Q&A that you had a legitimate concern.  Basically, I also got a stupid answer back that they'll 'be careful'. On another Dual auction, I asked the seller to be specific on how they would pack the turntable for shipment.  The seller was DEAD ON and told me exactly what she would do and pretty much followed the Turntable Factory guidelines.  I find that most TT sellers are NOT amenable to being shown the Factory method of shipping and pretty much get insulted when I ask about shipping methods.  Then I don't bid and look for something else. Double boxing with a layer of insulation is a great method. At 11:06 AM 11/22/2008, you wrote: I was bidding on a Empire 698 recently and the seller was being pretty flip with his answers to buyers (not to me though). If I had won the TT, I was going to send him to Joel's link on "How to pack a turntable".  However, the TT sold for a bit more than I bid, (but who knows how high that buyer would have gone?). 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From waxtayl at free.fr Mon Nov 24 00:44:38 2008 From: waxtayl at free.fr (waxtayl) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:44:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak T-100 and reference test tapes on eBay Message-ID: <4929EAE6.3090104@free.fr> Hello everybody, I'm selling on eBay a Nakamichi T-100 audio analyser (220 volts version) and 4 test tapes (3 Nakamichi and 1 Teac) in very nive conditions for European fans. See U ! From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon Nov 24 01:34:12 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:34:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Possible alternative source for belts and pinch rollers. In-Reply-To: <4929DDF1.40700@whiteapple.u-net.com> References: <4929DDF1.40700@whiteapple.u-net.com> Message-ID: <4929F684.6030208@marrscommunications.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 04:23:18 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:23:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <917894.9586.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That is indeed a beautiful machine, complete with the original packaging and accesory kit! The price seems right for such an item. BG David Thompson wrote: Mario in Australia is selling a 1000ZXL for AU$9,995! Another one went recently for less than $600. Note that the Aussie dollar today was down to around 62 cents against the US$. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NAKAMICHI-1000ZXL-LIMITED-EXTREMELY-RARE-COLLECTABLE_ W0QQitemZ330287788267QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Cassette_Decks?hash=item330287788 267&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 I am also selling my SR3 receiver after picking up an Arcam. The Elliott phono preamp I was building came out very well. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Rare-Nakamichi-SR3-Stasis-Receiver_W0QQitemZ250325626 990QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Electronics_Home_Audio_Tuners_Receivers?hash=item25 0325626990&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1 318 David ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch Mon Nov 24 09:35:08 2008 From: f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch (Franz A. Riedlinger) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:35:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak T-100 and reference test tapes on eBay In-Reply-To: <4929EAE6.3090104@free.fr> References: <4929EAE6.3090104@free.fr> Message-ID: <492A673C.10103@bluewin.ch> Hello waxtayl What is the auction-number with ebay. Eventually I'm interested to buy this device. Best greetings. Franz waxtayl schrieb: > Hello everybody, > > I'm selling on eBay a Nakamichi T-100 audio analyser (220 volts > version) and 4 test tapes (3 Nakamichi and 1 Teac) in very nive > conditions for European fans. > See U ! > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Nov 24 09:45:23 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:45:23 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL (LTD) Message-ID: <8503.82.210.249.81.1227516323.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> According to my archives he tried selling it already in September for a even higher price. This is the 3rd time he lists this LTD. But indeed like Bala said, for a Limited it is a reasonable price. Wouter > That is indeed a beautiful machine, complete with the original packaging > and accesory kit! The price seems right for such an item. > > BG > > David Thompson wrote: > Mario in Australia is selling a 1000ZXL for AU$9,995! Another one went > recently for less than $600. Note that the Aussie dollar today was down to > around 62 cents against the US$. > > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NAKAMICHI-1000ZXL-LIMITED-EXTREMELY-RARE-COLLECTABLE_ > W0QQitemZ330287788267QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Cassette_Decks?hash=item330287788 > 267&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 > From waxtayl at free.fr Mon Nov 24 10:00:36 2008 From: waxtayl at free.fr (waxtayl) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:00:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak T-100 and reference test tapes on eBay In-Reply-To: <492A673C.10103@bluewin.ch> References: <4929EAE6.3090104@free.fr> <492A673C.10103@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <492A6D34.70207@free.fr> Hello, The auction number is 120338701824, Thanks. See U ! Franz A. Riedlinger a écrit : > Hello waxtayl > What is the auction-number with ebay. Eventually I'm interested to buy > this device. > Best greetings. > Franz > > waxtayl schrieb: >> Hello everybody, >> >> I'm selling on eBay a Nakamichi T-100 audio analyser (220 volts >> version) and 4 test tapes (3 Nakamichi and 1 Teac) in very nive >> conditions for European fans. >> See U ! >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From robertweber at telus.net Tue Nov 25 04:45:46 2008 From: robertweber at telus.net (ROBERT WEBER) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:45:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Tape edge crease on tapes. Message-ID: Hello everyone, I have a BX 300 that has been lubed, has a new belt, has a new front pinch roller and works fine in every respect. That is except that when I play a brand new tape, the tape edge gets creased. I play the same section of tape 5 times and there it is. I have aligned the play head with another Nakamichi's head and older tapes made by the BX. I have aligned the record head to match the play head. In the mean time I have had the same experience with used Yamaha and Sony three head tape decks. Is anyone experiencing this problem? It is driving me nuts. Thank you. From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 09:25:57 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:25:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Tape edge crease on tapes. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3200.18849.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Robert, Chances are, the tape guides are really out of alignment and need to be adjusted to back. into position. If you do not have the required jigs to do this, what you could do is use a modified cassette to get them aligned so that that tape travels true across the heads. I would suggest getting Luis's calibration tapes (if you do not have the original Nak tapes) to get the heads properly aligned. Rgds, BG ROBERT WEBER wrote: Hello everyone, I have a BX 300 that has been lubed, has a new belt, has a new front pinch roller and works fine in every respect. That is except that when I play a brand new tape, the tape edge gets creased. I play the same section of tape 5 times and there it is. I have aligned the play head with another Nakamichi's head and older tapes made by the BX. I have aligned the record head to match the play head. In the mean time I have had the same experience with used Yamaha and Sony three head tape decks. Is anyone experiencing this problem? It is driving me nuts. Thank you. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r1seals at yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 14:13:04 2008 From: r1seals at yahoo.com (Russ Seals) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:13:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Tape edge crease on tapes. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <568874.14778.qm@web50003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Robert Yes I have but only with maxell II's that I bought off Ebay,but now my BX 1 would record on them just fine. btw do you let your BX-300 warm up? don't know if this helps but I do this with both my BX-300's ROBERT WEBER wrote: Hello everyone, I have a BX 300 that has been lubed, has a new belt, has a new front pinch roller and works fine in every respect. That is except that when I play a brand new tape, the tape edge gets creased. I play the same section of tape 5 times and there it is. I have aligned the play head with another Nakamichi's head and older tapes made by the BX. I have aligned the record head to match the play head. In the mean time I have had the same experience with used Yamaha and Sony three head tape decks. Is anyone experiencing this problem? It is driving me nuts. Thank you. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 14:49:33 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:49:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Tape edge crease on tapes. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <325509.85284.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Robert, I have had this issue with certain tapes. The newer the tape manufacture is, the more prone this has become. DOes your BX do it on all tapes?? Also the way in which you align your head sounds crude. Try realigning with a professional please, paying attention to the guides too. Finally, this might also be caused due to inadequate torque on the take up reel due to insufficient friction of a worn idler tire( if applicable)....check that out too. Good luck. Ram --- On Mon, 11/24/08, ROBERT WEBER wrote: From: ROBERT WEBER Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Tape edge crease on tapes. To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 10:45 PM Hello everyone, I have a BX 300 that has been lubed, has a new belt, has a new front pinch roller and works fine in every respect. That is except that when I play a brand new tape, the tape edge gets creased. I play the same section of tape 5 times and there it is. I have aligned the play head with another Nakamichi's head and older tapes made by the BX. I have aligned the record head to match the play head. In the mean time I have had the same experience with used Yamaha and Sony three head tape decks. Is anyone experiencing this problem? It is driving me nuts. Thank you. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue Nov 25 20:13:50 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:13:50 -0700 Subject: FW: [naktalk] BX 300 Tape edge crease on tapes. In-Reply-To: <568874.14778.qm@web50003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <568874.14778.qm@web50003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I find it best to let your deck warm up. When it comes to recording on weekends, I like to leave the deck on all weekend, resulting in doing some 20 LP recordings. In conclusion, I always run my equipment thru my Panamax or Adcom line conditioner. Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:13:04 -0800 From: r1seals at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 Tape edge crease on tapes. To: naktalk at naks.com Hi Robert Yes I have but only with maxell II's that I bought off Ebay,but now my BX 1 would record on them just fine. btw do you let your BX-300 warm up? don't know if this helps but I do this with both my BX-300's ROBERT WEBER wrote: Hello everyone, I have a BX 300 that has been lubed, has a new belt, has a new front pinch roller and works fine in every respect. That is except that when I play a brand new tape, the tape edge gets creased. I play the same section of tape 5 times and there it is. I have aligned the play head with another Nakamichi's head and older tapes made by the BX. I have aligned the record head to match the play head. In the mean time I have had the same experience with used Yamaha and Sony three head tape decks. 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Nov 26 09:31:11 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:31:11 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! Message-ID: <18711.82.210.249.81.1227688271.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Ram/Willy, You talk about 'a motor', so only one DD motor was transplanted or has it both DD motors implanted? Willy, did you document anything with pictures for us to see? Wouter > After mulling through the idea of a direct drive 1000ZXL since May 2007,  > my dreams of having one have been finally fulfilled by Willy Herman( a > member of this forum) with a Dragon DD motor transplanted into one of my > stock 1000ZXLs. Willy says it" works wonderfully and sounds magnificient!" > Thanks Willy fro your second direct drive Super deck. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Nov 26 15:44:00 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:44:00 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Tape edge crease on tapes. Message-ID: <13144653.1227710640841.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Robert, Head alignment has nothing to do with tape curl, since the tape guides are mounted on the two pinch rollers. You might have a guide height problem on the take up side. If you can build your own mirror cassette it will go a long way towards a DIY alignment method. Alternately, if the bottom edge of the tape is wrinkled, the guide is too high. If the top is wrinkled, the guide is too low. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: ROBERT WEBER >Sent: Nov 24, 2008 9:45 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Tape edge crease on tapes. > >Hello everyone, > >I have a BX 300 that has been lubed, has a new belt, has a new front >pinch roller and works fine in every respect. That is except that >when I play a brand new tape, the tape edge gets creased. I play the >same section of tape 5 times and there it is. I have aligned the >play head with another Nakamichi's head and older tapes made by the >BX. I have aligned the record head to match the play head. In the >mean time I have had the same experience with used Yamaha and Sony >three head tape decks. Is anyone experiencing this problem? It is >driving me nuts. > >Thank you. >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Nov 26 17:32:38 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:32:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Tape edge crease on tapes. In-Reply-To: <13144653.1227710640841.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13144653.1227710640841.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <492D7A26.5080904@verizon.net> Tom's recommendation of using a tape traveling cassette is right on the money. It could show you exactly where the tape gets creased. If you want a picture of a home made one, let me know (can't attach it here, the Naks.com server won't post it). Some other things to check for are a supply pinch roller that is too free to ride up and down on its pivot or is skewed, a bent guide (never saw one, but who knows) and mispositioned pad lifter. Also, ensure that it it is not some specific cassettes' fault). Good luck, -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > Robert, > Head alignment has nothing to do with tape curl, since the tape guides are mounted on the two pinch rollers. You might have a guide height problem on the take up side. If you can build your own mirror cassette it will go a long way towards a DIY alignment method. Alternately, if the bottom edge of the tape is wrinkled, the guide is too high. If the top is wrinkled, the guide is too low. > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: ROBERT WEBER >> Sent: Nov 24, 2008 9:45 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 Tape edge crease on tapes. >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> I have a BX 300 that has been lubed, has a new belt, has a new front >> pinch roller and works fine in every respect. That is except that >> when I play a brand new tape, the tape edge gets creased. I play the >> same section of tape 5 times and there it is. I have aligned the >> play head with another Nakamichi's head and older tapes made by the >> BX. I have aligned the record head to match the play head. In the >> mean time I have had the same experience with used Yamaha and Sony >> three head tape decks. Is anyone experiencing this problem? It is >> driving me nuts. >> >> Thank you. >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-924 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 18:47:26 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:47:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <18711.82.210.249.81.1227688271.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <492d8b38.18068e0a.1e9c.ffff85b5@mx.google.com> No, it has both DD motors in it. I'm in process of posting pix on www.willyhermannservices.com next to Ben Stratfords ZX-9/1000ZXL. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! Hi Ram/Willy, You talk about 'a motor', so only one DD motor was transplanted or has it both DD motors implanted? Willy, did you document anything with pictures for us to see? Wouter > After mulling through the idea of a direct drive 1000ZXL since May > 2007, my dreams of having one have been finally fulfilled by Willy > Herman( a member of this forum) with a Dragon DD motor transplanted > into one of my stock 1000ZXLs. Willy says it" works wonderfully and sounds magnificient!" > Thanks Willy fro your second direct drive Super deck. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willyherm at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 20:05:38 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:05:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <18711.82.210.249.81.1227688271.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <492d9d8a.1b018e0a.7c52.36d6@mx.google.com> OK - the pictures are on www.willyhermannservices.com Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! Hi Ram/Willy, You talk about 'a motor', so only one DD motor was transplanted or has it both DD motors implanted? Willy, did you document anything with pictures for us to see? Wouter > After mulling through the idea of a direct drive 1000ZXL since May > 2007, my dreams of having one have been finally fulfilled by Willy > Herman( a member of this forum) with a Dragon DD motor transplanted > into one of my stock 1000ZXLs. Willy says it" works wonderfully and sounds magnificient!" > Thanks Willy fro your second direct drive Super deck. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 27 13:51:18 2008 From: kkenkirk at sbcglobal.net (Kenneth Kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:51:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! Message-ID: Hi Willy, That is dam impressive! Looks very clean. How much time did you spend just thinking about how you were going to do this? Bigger pictures would be very cool! :-) Ken From koman56 at otenet.gr Thu Nov 27 15:10:01 2008 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel Komninos) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:10:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <492EAA39.6070203@otenet.gr> Kenneth Kirkpatrick wrote: > Hi Willy, > > That is dam impressive! Looks very clean. How much time did you spend > just thinking about how you were going to do this? > > Bigger pictures would be very cool! :-) > > Ken > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > What a cool project that is! It is unfortunate that we Europeans have no Willy Hermann or Tom B. (please forgive me if i do not name all of you tech guys from overseas) to send our decks to, i only know Luis in Spain, but not for mechanical problems which need spare parts that can not/rarely be found anymore in Europe (with the exception of B&W in the UK and that is not certain). Shipping costs are going wild whatever carrier you choose to send them (sometimes you spend more than what you pay for service!) and if you do not pay full insurance you might even end up with double loss..... Bravo Willy that is a hell of a job you did there for lucky owner Ram! (Joke: Have you ever though of residing overseas, there is plenty of job over here waiting to keep you occupied for the next 10 years !!!) We expect to hear more when Ram receives the deck back home. Manos. From rjlbjk at verizon.net Thu Nov 27 15:14:12 2008 From: rjlbjk at verizon.net (Roland) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:14:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <492d9d8a.1b018e0a.7c52.36d6@mx.google.com> References: <18711.82.210.249.81.1227688271.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <492d9d8a.1b018e0a.7c52.36d6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0KAZ007OHWVOAJ24@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Willy, those two projects are simply outstanding! It takes a very cool hand (and head) to even begin projects like those not to mention and extreme intimacy of the electronics and functions. Great job. At 02:05 PM 11/26/2008, you wrote: >OK - the pictures are on www.willyhermannservices.com > >Willy > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of Wouter Heijke >Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:31 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! > >Hi Ram/Willy, >You talk about 'a motor', so only one DD motor was transplanted or has it >both DD motors implanted? >Willy, did you document anything with pictures for us to see? > >Wouter > > > After mulling through the idea of a direct drive 1000ZXL since May > > 2007, my dreams of having one have been finally fulfilled by Willy > > Herman( a member of this forum) with a Dragon DD motor transplanted > > into one of my stock 1000ZXLs. Willy says it" works wonderfully and sounds >magnificient!" > > Thanks Willy fro your second direct drive Super deck. > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account >here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 16:05:52 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:05:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <492EAA39.6070203@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <191302.91181.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Manos, Proof that USA has some of the most innovative brains and imaginations on the face of this planet.....and the will to do this. Infact Manos, this deck was sent out of the USA( far far away!) with the dragon transport enclosed, for the same project last year and came back after a year and over  $1000 worth of shipping costs , virtually untouched, with a lot of false assurances for the entire period... Unfortunately, I tapped the wrong resources not knowing WIlly existed until Ben Stratford mentioned him to me.All is well that ends well! I shall definitely post detailed listening and recording reports of this DD ZXL  as compared to the Limited( Stock motor) next week....... Until then, a long wait for FEDEX to arrive Thursday! Once again, thanks WIlly for accepting this one and executing it. Regards all and a Happy thanksgiving Holiday to all too! Ram --- On Thu, 11/27/08, Emmanuel Komninos wrote: From: Emmanuel Komninos Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 9:10 AM Kenneth Kirkpatrick wrote: > Hi Willy, > > That is dam impressive! Looks very clean. How much time did you spend just thinking about how you were going to do this? > > Bigger pictures would be very cool! :-) > > Ken > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > What a cool project that is! It is unfortunate that we Europeans have no Willy Hermann or Tom B. (please forgive me if i do not name all of you tech guys from overseas) to send our decks to, i only know Luis in Spain, but not for mechanical problems which need spare parts that can not/rarely be found anymore in Europe (with the exception of B&W in the UK and that is not certain). Shipping costs are going wild whatever carrier you choose to send them (sometimes you spend more than what you pay for service!) and if you do not pay full insurance you might even end up with double loss..... Bravo Willy that is a hell of a job you did there for lucky owner Ram! (Joke: Have you ever though of residing overseas, there is plenty of job over here waiting to keep you occupied for the next 10 years !!!) We expect to hear more when Ram receives the deck back home. Manos. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmaniyat at hotmail.com Thu Nov 27 17:14:08 2008 From: jmaniyat at hotmail.com (Jacob Maniyatte) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:14:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A questions Message-ID: I recently inherited a Mint condition CR-7A. Date of mfg is 1991 so I believe it has all the latest updates such as gear and eq. After using it for a while, I have a few questions. 1) Were all the CR-7A made in Japan. I read in some places Nakamichi transfered the production of the transport to "Sankyo". Is this a japanese company ? Where were these transports made ? When were these transports phased in and into what models ? 2) My deck make excellent recordings on many diffrent tape types. Playback by recordings made by my cr-7a is indistingusable from the original cd, it is that good. However when I transfer the tape to any other deck (tried two decks), including my Revox B215, the highs frequencies are significanlty muddy. There is no problem with pre recorded tapes purchased from stores on both decks. Both play them back equally well. My suspicisons are either a head magnetization problem or a problem with the calibration circuits in the Nak. Does any one have suggestions ? Jacob _________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the “I’m a PC” Messenger themepack now. hthttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642558/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Nov 27 17:25:46 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:25:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17d5ee910811270825r321f186djac15a3042a0ce072@mail.gmail.com> Hi, the cheaper CR-series models were transferred to production in Taiwan. All the Nakamichi decks with model names starting with letters have transports made by Sankyo (CR, BX, MR, RX, etc.) in Japan. The eariler deck models had a transport made by Nakamichi. They're just as good, so I suppose outsourcing the production wasn't a bad idea. The deck adjusts the azimuth when playing back tapes, but I think it's predefined when recording, and it might not be matching the other decks. Otherwise, there's another reason, which is that Nakamichi heads don't have the same track width and gap as IEC-compliant decks. It changes the sound on other decks. 2008/11/27 Jacob Maniyatte : > I recently inherited a Mint condition CR-7A. Date of mfg is 1991 so I > believe it has all the latest updates such as gear and eq. After using it > for a while, I have a few questions. > > 1) Were all the CR-7A made in Japan. I read in some places Nakamichi > transfered the production of the transport to "Sankyo". Is this a japanese > company ? > Where were these transports made ? When were these transports phased in and > into what models ? > > 2) My deck make excellent recordings on many diffrent tape types. Playback > by recordings made by my cr-7a is indistingusable from the original cd, it > is that good. However when I transfer the tape to any other deck (tried two > decks), including my Revox B215, the highs frequencies are significanlty > muddy. There is no problem with pre recorded tapes purchased from stores on > both decks. Both play them back equally well. My suspicisons are either a > head magnetization problem or a problem with the calibration circuits in the > Nak. Does any one have suggestions ? > Jacob > -- Antoine Deschênes From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 19:56:16 2008 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:56:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <318980.14356.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Jacob, allow a fellow CR-7A owner to try and answer your questions:   1) I believe Sankyo is a Japanese company.  Nakamichi did not "phase in" the production of the CR-7A transport to Sankyo - Sankyo always made them.  This was an attempt by Nak to cut down on production costs so they could sell the CR-7A at lower cost. While Sankyo made different transports for a number of Nak decks, (and others on this forum can tell you specifically which Nak decks have Sankyo transports and which have what is called the "classic" Nak transport) the transport in the CR-7A is the top-of-the line Sankyo transport, and is no slouch.   2) The reason the highs are muddy could be an azimuth issue, which means the playback head is not aligned properly to the tape passing over it.  While you have an azimuth adjustment on the CR-7A, which allows you to drastically improve the audio quality on tapes played on the CR-7A but not recorded on it, I do not know if your other decks have an azimuth adjustment.  If they do, turn this control while playing a tape that was recorded on the CR-7A until you get the highest treble possible.  At that point, the playback head will be aligned.   Also, many people think that Nak made an engineering mistake when they produced the earlier CR-7s, which they then had to correct by publishing a technical bulletin on how to adjust the recording EQ.  Not true.  The introduction of chrome tapes was the reason Nak had to change the recording EQ on CR-7s to allow its auto-calibration circuit to properly calibrate these tapes.    --- On Thu, 11/27/08, Jacob Maniyatte wrote: From: Jacob Maniyatte Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A questions To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 11:14 AM #yiv1152112228 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1152112228 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} I recently inherited a Mint condition CR-7A. Date of mfg is 1991 so I believe it has all the latest updates such as gear and eq. After using it for a while, I have a few questions.    1) Were all the CR-7A made in Japan. I read in some places Nakamichi transfered the production of the transport to "Sankyo". Is this a japanese company ? Where were these transports made ? When were these transports phased in and into what models ?   2) My deck make excellent recordings on many diffrent tape types. Playback by recordings made by my cr-7a is indistingusable from the original cd, it is that good.  However when I transfer the tape to any other deck (tried two decks), including my Revox B215, the highs frequencies are significanlty muddy. There is no problem with pre recorded tapes purchased from stores on both decks. Both play them back equally well.  My suspicisons are either a head magnetization problem or a problem with the calibration circuits in the Nak.  Does any one have suggestions ? Jacob Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the “I’m a PC” Messenger themepack now. Download now. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 21:59:34 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:59:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A questions In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910811270825r321f186djac15a3042a0ce072@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <298027.33216.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Antoine, One correction to the list if I may. The RX 505 at least doesnt use a Sankyo Transport, if I remember correct. It has Naks classic transport with a belt driven by the 8096-C.   Regards, Ram --- On Thu, 11/27/08, Antoine Deschênes wrote: From: Antoine Deschênes Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A questions To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 11:25 AM Hi, the cheaper CR-series models were transferred to production in Taiwan. All the Nakamichi decks with model names starting with letters have transports made by Sankyo (CR, BX, MR, RX, etc.) in Japan. The eariler deck models had a transport made by Nakamichi. They're just as good, so I suppose outsourcing the production wasn't a bad idea. The deck adjusts the azimuth when playing back tapes, but I think it's predefined when recording, and it might not be matching the other decks. Otherwise, there's another reason, which is that Nakamichi heads don't have the same track width and gap as IEC-compliant decks. It changes the sound on other decks. 2008/11/27 Jacob Maniyatte : > I recently inherited a Mint condition CR-7A. Date of mfg is 1991 so I > believe it has all the latest updates such as gear and eq. After using it > for a while, I have a few questions. > > 1) Were all the CR-7A made in Japan. I read in some places Nakamichi > transfered the production of the transport to "Sankyo". Is this a japanese > company ? > Where were these transports made ? When were these transports phased in and > into what models ? > > 2) My deck make excellent recordings on many diffrent tape types. Playback > by recordings made by my cr-7a is indistingusable from the original cd, it > is that good. However when I transfer the tape to any other deck (tried two > decks), including my Revox B215, the highs frequencies are significanlty > muddy. There is no problem with pre recorded tapes purchased from stores on > both decks. Both play them back equally well. My suspicisons are either a > head magnetization problem or a problem with the calibration circuits in the > Nak. Does any one have suggestions ? > Jacob > -- Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmaniyat at hotmail.com Fri Nov 28 00:24:22 2008 From: jmaniyat at hotmail.com (Jacob Maniyatte) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:24:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A questions In-Reply-To: <318980.14356.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <318980.14356.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks; On item 2 below, I do not think it is a azimuth issue because multiple pre recorded tapes purchased from stores like Circuity City play back perfectly on both my CR-7 and Revox 215 very well without any azimuth correction on the CR-7, i.e. azimuth is at zero. The head gap diffrence is a possible explanation, however I thought tapes recorded on Naks would sound fairly good on other decks if not as good on Naks, in my case the tape recorded on the CR-7 sounds quite poor on the Revox. As far as azimuth adjustment, Nak is the only mfg I know of that has a true mechanical head angle adjustment, My revox 215 (top of the line deck for revox) has an align button but it is just an auto calib for the electronics, the head angle does not change. Does any one know of a cassette deck mfg that has a true head angle adjustment beside Nakamichi (possible Tandenberg ?) jm Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:56:16 -0800From: jmlevitz at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A questionsTo: naktalk at naks.com Jacob, allow a fellow CR-7A owner to try and answer your questions: 1) I believe Sankyo is a Japanese company. Nakamichi did not "phase in" the production of the CR-7A transport to Sankyo - Sankyo always made them. This was an attempt by Nak to cut down on production costs so they could sell the CR-7A at lower cost. While Sankyo made different transports for a number of Nak decks, (and others on this forum can tell you specifically which Nak decks have Sankyo transports and which have what is called the "classic" Nak transport) the transport in the CR-7A is the top-of-the line Sankyo transport, and is no slouch. 2) The reason the highs are muddy could be an azimuth issue, which means the playback head is not aligned properly to the tape passing over it. While you have an azimuth adjustment on the CR-7A, which allows you to drastically improve the audio quality on tapes played on the CR-7A but not recorded on it, I do not know if your other decks have an azimuth adjustment. If they do, turn this control while playing a tape that was recorded on the CR-7A until you get the highest treble possible. At that point, the playback head will be aligned. Also, many people think that Nak made an engineering mistake when they produced the earlier CR-7s, which they then had to correct by publishing a technical bulletin on how to adjust the recording EQ. Not true. The introduction of chrome tapes was the reason Nak had to change the recording EQ on CR-7s to allow its auto-calibration circuit to properly calibrate these tapes. --- On Thu, 11/27/08, Jacob Maniyatte wrote: From: Jacob Maniyatte Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A questionsTo: naktalk at naks.comDate: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 11:14 AM I recently inherited a Mint condition CR-7A. Date of mfg is 1991 so I believe it has all the latest updates such as gear and eq. After using it for a while, I have a few questions. 1) Were all the CR-7A made in Japan. I read in some places Nakamichi transfered the production of the transport to "Sankyo". Is this a japanese company ?Where were these transports made ? When were these transports phased in and into what models ? 2) My deck make excellent recordings on many diffrent tape types. Playback by recordings made by my cr-7a is indistingusable from the original cd, it is that good. However when I transfer the tape to any other deck (tried two decks), including my Revox B215, the highs frequencies are significanlty muddy. There is no problem with pre recorded tapes purchased from stores on both decks. Both play them back equally well. My suspicisons are either a head magnetization problem or a problem with the calibration circuits in the Nak. Does any one have suggestions ?Jacob Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the “I’m a PC” Messenger themepack now. 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URL: From lenaw at flash.net Fri Nov 28 00:53:27 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:53:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <889732.4749.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Tandberg TCD-911 has a playback head azimuth adjustment as well but this deck is as rare as hen's teeth.     Mike --- On Thu, 11/27/08, Jacob Maniyatte wrote: From: Jacob Maniyatte Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7A questions To: jmlevitz at yahoo.com, naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 5:24 PM #yiv298910495 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv298910495 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Thanks;   On item 2 below, I do not think it is a azimuth issue because multiple pre recorded tapes purchased from stores like Circuity City play back perfectly on both my CR-7 and Revox 215 very well without any azimuth correction on the CR-7, i.e. azimuth is at zero.  The head gap diffrence is a possible explanation, however I thought tapes recorded on Naks would sound fairly good on other decks if not as good on Naks, in my case the tape recorded on the CR-7 sounds quite poor on the Revox.    As far as azimuth adjustment, Nak is the only mfg I know of that has a true mechanical head angle adjustment, My revox 215 (top of the line deck for revox) has an align button but it is just an auto calib for the electronics, the head angle does not change.  Does any one know of a cassette deck mfg that has a true head angle adjustment beside Nakamichi (possible Tandenberg ?)   jm Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:56:16 -0800 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A questions To: naktalk at naks.com Jacob, allow a fellow CR-7A owner to try and answer your questions:   1) I believe Sankyo is a Japanese company.  Nakamichi did not "phase in" the production of the CR-7A transport to Sankyo - Sankyo always made them.  This was an attempt by Nak to cut down on production costs so they could sell the CR-7A at lower cost. While Sankyo made different transports for a number of Nak decks, (and others on this forum can tell you specifically which Nak decks have Sankyo transports and which have what is called the "classic" Nak transport) the transport in the CR-7A is the top-of-the line Sankyo transport, and is no slouch.   2) The reason the highs are muddy could be an azimuth issue, which means the playback head is not aligned properly to the tape passing over it.  While you have an azimuth adjustment on the CR-7A, which allows you to drastically improve the audio quality on tapes played on the CR-7A but not recorded on it, I do not know if your other decks have an azimuth adjustment.  If they do, turn this control while playing a tape that was recorded on the CR-7A until you get the highest treble possible.  At that point, the playback head will be aligned.   Also, many people think that Nak made an engineering mistake when they produced the earlier CR-7s, which they then had to correct by publishing a technical bulletin on how to adjust the recording EQ.  Not true.  The introduction of chrome tapes was the reason Nak had to change the recording EQ on CR-7s to allow its auto-calibration circuit to properly calibrate these tapes.    --- On Thu, 11/27/08, Jacob Maniyatte wrote: From: Jacob Maniyatte Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A questions To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 11:14 AM #yiv298910495 .ExternalClass #EC_yiv1152112228 .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} #yiv298910495 .ExternalClass #EC_yiv1152112228 {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} I recently inherited a Mint condition CR-7A. Date of mfg is 1991 so I believe it has all the latest updates such as gear and eq. After using it for a while, I have a few questions.    1) Were all the CR-7A made in Japan. I read in some places Nakamichi transfered the production of the transport to "Sankyo". Is this a japanese company ? Where were these transports made ? When were these transports phased in and into what models ?   2) My deck make excellent recordings on many diffrent tape types. Playback by recordings made by my cr-7a is indistingusable from the original cd, it is that good.  However when I transfer the tape to any other deck (tried two decks), including my Revox B215, the highs frequencies are significanlty muddy. There is no problem with pre recorded tapes purchased from stores on both decks. Both play them back equally well.  My suspicisons are either a head magnetization problem or a problem with the calibration circuits in the Nak.  Does any one have suggestions ? Jacob Proud to be a PC? Show the world. 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URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Nov 28 02:15:24 2008 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann Services) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:15:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200811280113.mAS1DTdj007729@zxe.naks.com> Jm - The Tandberg 3014 does have an azimuth adjust knob but for the record head, not the play head. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Maniyatte Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:24 PM To: jmlevitz at yahoo.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7A questions Thanks; On item 2 below, I do not think it is a azimuth issue because multiple pre recorded tapes purchased from stores like Circuity City play back perfectly on both my CR-7 and Revox 215 very well without any azimuth correction on the CR-7, i.e. azimuth is at zero. The head gap diffrence is a possible explanation, however I thought tapes recorded on Naks would sound fairly good on other decks if not as good on Naks, in my case the tape recorded on the CR-7 sounds quite poor on the Revox. As far as azimuth adjustment, Nak is the only mfg I know of that has a true mechanical head angle adjustment, My revox 215 (top of the line deck for revox) has an align button but it is just an auto calib for the electronics, the head angle does not change. Does any one know of a cassette deck mfg that has a true head angle adjustment beside Nakamichi (possible Tandenberg ?) jm _____ Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:56:16 -0800 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A questions To: naktalk at naks.com Jacob, allow a fellow CR-7A owner to try and answer your questions: 1) I believe Sankyo is a Japanese company. Nakamichi did not "phase in" the production of the CR-7A transport to Sankyo - Sankyo always made them. This was an attempt by Nak to cut down on production costs so they could sell the CR-7A at lower cost. While Sankyo made different transports for a number of Nak decks, (and others on this forum can tell you specifically which Nak decks have Sankyo transports and which have what is called the "classic" Nak transport) the transport in the CR-7A is the top-of-the line Sankyo transport, and is no slouch. 2) The reason the highs are muddy could be an azimuth issue, which means the playback head is not aligned properly to the tape passing over it. While you have an azimuth adjustment on the CR-7A, which allows you to drastically improve the audio quality on tapes played on the CR-7A but not recorded on it, I do not know if your other decks have an azimuth adjustment. If they do, turn this control while playing a tape that was recorded on the CR-7A until you get the highest treble possible. At that point, the playback head will be aligned. Also, many people think that Nak made an engineering mistake when they produced the earlier CR-7s, which they then had to correct by publishing a technical bulletin on how to adjust the recording EQ. Not true. The introduction of chrome tapes was the reason Nak had to change the recording EQ on CR-7s to allow its auto-calibration circuit to properly calibrate these tapes. --- On Thu, 11/27/08, Jacob Maniyatte wrote: From: Jacob Maniyatte Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A questions To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 11:14 AM I recently inherited a Mint condition CR-7A. Date of mfg is 1991 so I believe it has all the latest updates such as gear and eq. After using it for a while, I have a few questions. 1) Were all the CR-7A made in Japan. I read in some places Nakamichi transfered the production of the transport to "Sankyo". Is this a japanese company ? Where were these transports made ? When were these transports phased in and into what models ? 2) My deck make excellent recordings on many diffrent tape types. Playback by recordings made by my cr-7a is indistingusable from the original cd, it is that good. However when I transfer the tape to any other deck (tried two decks), including my Revox B215, the highs frequencies are significanlty muddy. There is no problem with pre recorded tapes purchased from stores on both decks. Both play them back equally well. My suspicisons are either a head magnetization problem or a problem with the calibration circuits in the Nak. Does any one have suggestions ? Jacob _____ Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the "I'm a PC" Messenger themepack now. Download now. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _____ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. Sign up today. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Nov 28 15:44:31 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:44:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493003CF.90707@verizon.net> Jacob Maniyatte wrote: > I recently inherited a Mint condition CR-7A. Date of mfg is 1991 so I > believe it has all the latest updates such as gear and eq. After using > it for a while, I have a few questions. > > 1) Were all the CR-7A made in Japan. I read in some places Nakamichi > transfered the production of the transport to "Sankyo". Is this a > japanese company ? AFAIK, Sankyo transports were made in Japan. Nakamichi did not 'transfer' transport production to Sankyo, but, rather, made a decision to use Sankyo transports in new models. Specifically,:the BX, CR and MR lines. The transport is one of the components in a deck, it is no different than any other component (resistors, caps. processors and other ICs, for example) none of which was made by Nakamichi. This is similar to, say, computer manufacturers that do not build their own hard drives, but, rather, buy them. This approach saved Nakamichi money, because a 'buy out' transport development cost is amortized over a much larger production volume. > > 2) My deck make excellent recordings on many diffrent tape types. > Playback by recordings made by my cr-7a is indistingusable from the > original cd, it is that good. However when I transfer the tape to any > other deck (tried two decks), including my Revox B215, the highs > frequencies are significanlty muddy. There is no problem with pre > recorded tapes purchased from stores on both decks. Both play them > back equally well. My suspicisons are either a head magnetization > problem or a problem with the calibration circuits in the Nak. Does > any one have suggestions ? Magnetized heads will partially erase high frequencies from a recorded tape, but not make them 'muddy'. I would check to make sure the EQ mod is included in your CR-7. It was introduced fairly late in this model life. (What is the S/N of your deck?) My own CR-7, made in 1985, had the gear update, but not the EQ update. Putting it later audibly improved sound quality. -- Ron > Jacob > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Nov 28 15:51:45 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:51:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <492d8b38.18068e0a.1e9c.ffff85b5@mx.google.com> References: <492d8b38.18068e0a.1e9c.ffff85b5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <49300581.4000006@verizon.net> Willy, These must have been fun projects... I wonder, though, what was the purely technical advantage. Did you measure the 'before and after' W/F figures? Were the differences, if any, substantial enough to justify the projects? Was it measurable (let alone, audible)? -- Ron WillyHerm wrote: > No, it has both DD motors in it. I'm in process of posting pix on > www.willyhermannservices.com next to Ben Stratfords ZX-9/1000ZXL. > > Willy > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Wouter Heijke > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:31 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! > > Hi Ram/Willy, > You talk about 'a motor', so only one DD motor was transplanted or has it > both DD motors implanted? > Willy, did you document anything with pictures for us to see? > > Wouter > > >> After mulling through the idea of a direct drive 1000ZXL since May >> 2007, my dreams of having one have been finally fulfilled by Willy >> Herman( a member of this forum) with a Dragon DD motor transplanted >> into one of my stock 1000ZXLs. Willy says it" works wonderfully and sounds >> > magnificient!" > >> Thanks Willy fro your second direct drive Super deck. >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Nov 28 15:56:06 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:56:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BX-2 Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49300686.1020401@verizon.net> Mark Exstedt wrote: > > When fast forwarding my BX-2, it start slow and then goes faster, and > then slower as it reaches the end of tape. It takes about 2 1/2 > minutes to fast forward a 90 minute tape. When I rewind, it pretty > much performs the same problem taking another 2 1/2 minutes to rewind. > If I play the deck every day, the problem is less. If I dont used the > deck for a few weeks, and press fast forward, it may go into stop > mode. Then I may press fast forward one, two or three more times to > move the tape. > Please advise. Thank you. This behaviour is, to a small degree, normal. If excessive (especially the slow down towards the end of cassette)., I would check the rubber idler for hardening. If cleaning the idler, pulley and hubs does not cure it, I would replace the idler tire. -- Ron > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the “I’m a PC” Messenger > themepack now. Download now. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Nov 28 19:32:11 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:32:11 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! Message-ID: <20915.62.194.57.217.1227897131.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Willy, Great to see the pictures! Thank you for the work and the pictures, makes me think if I should (ab)use my Dragon with continuous problems for the same purpose.... But then, why change a perfectly working 1000ZXL! Wouter > OK - the pictures are on www.willyhermannservices.com > > Willy > From shoeihell at yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 18:35:03 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:35:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re:CR-7A questions In-Reply-To: <200811281100.mASB0R2X018336@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <926536.45237.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> That is correct; the RX-505 has the classic transport, while the RX-202 has the Sankyo-I have both. I'm not sure what the RX-303 has, but it would be easy to look up. Actually, I've never been clear on what the marketing strategy was on the RX-303? Kevin Message: 8 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:59:34 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A questions To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <298027.33216.qm at web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Antoine, One correction to the list if I may. The RX 505 at least doesnt use a Sankyo Transport, if I remember correct. It has Naks classic transport with a belt driven by the 8096-C.   Regards, Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Nov 28 18:44:35 2008 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann Services) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:44:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <49300581.4000006@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200811281742.mASHgk3D026832@zxe.naks.com> Ron - Thanks for the question. Although the project was a fun challenge, I certainly didn't undertake it just for fun. The idea was to take the lower wow and flutter of the Dragon dual direct drive transport and combine it with the sweetness of the 1000ZXL electronics. Many feel that the "classic" electronics of the late 70's and early 80's were the best sounding of the lot and that the sound quality began to become a little harsh and brittle in the late 80's. The direct drive transports weren't introduced until the Dragon and ZX-9 with the later vintage electronics. I haven't had the chance to compare the DD 1000ZXL directly with the original belt drive version since I've never had the two side by side here. Although Ben Stratford owns an original 1000ZXL as well as the ZX-9 version I did for him, he hasn't had the time since his return to the UK to do any listening. In fact, those units are still in storage. That makes Ram the first to actually be able to compare the two and let us all know if the exercise was a waste of time or of real value. He has a 1000ZXL Limited with which to do the comparison so I am VERY excited to hear what he has to say. I know that on the bench I can certainly hear the difference between the .02% W/F of the DD transport and the .04% (at best) spec of the "classic" when I run pure tones. That should translate into lower intermodulation distortion which (in the case of turntables at least) means that instruments are more distinct and less blurred (violins and violas become two separate instruments again). Whether tapes made on the "classic" transport then played back on the DD transport sound better or different at all remains for Ram to discover. Hope he has the time do to some listening soon after he gets the deck! Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 6:52 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! Willy, These must have been fun projects... I wonder, though, what was the purely technical advantage. Did you measure the 'before and after' W/F figures? Were the differences, if any, substantial enough to justify the projects? Was it measurable (let alone, audible)? -- Ron WillyHerm wrote: No, it has both DD motors in it. I'm in process of posting pix on next to Ben Stratfords ZX-9/1000ZXL. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! Hi Ram/Willy, You talk about 'a motor', so only one DD motor was transplanted or has it both DD motors implanted? Willy, did you document anything with pictures for us to see? Wouter After mulling through the idea of a direct drive 1000ZXL since May 2007, my dreams of having one have been finally fulfilled by Willy Herman( a member of this forum) with a Dragon DD motor transplanted into one of my stock 1000ZXLs. Willy says it" works wonderfully and sounds magnificient!" Thanks Willy fro your second direct drive Super deck. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Fri Nov 28 20:08:06 2008 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann Services) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:08:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re:CR-7A questions In-Reply-To: <926536.45237.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200811281906.mASJ6HmD028599@zxe.naks.com> The RX-303 has the classic transport. I just pulled the service manual to check but I don't think I've ever seen one for service and I don't recall stocking and selling the machine. It's a two head classic transport version of the unidirection auto reverse which means it's a half way stop between the RX-202 and RX-505. I could tell from opening the service manual that it had never been cracked before. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Fetner Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 9:35 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re:CR-7A questions That is correct; the RX-505 has the classic transport, while the RX-202 has the Sankyo-I have both. I'm not sure what the RX-303 has, but it would be easy to look up. Actually, I've never been clear on what the marketing strategy was on the RX-303? Kevin Message: 8 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:59:34 -0800 (PST) From: shanti ramachandran > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A questions To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <298027.33216.qm at web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Antoine, One correction to the list if I may. The RX 505 at least doesnt use a Sankyo Transport, if I remember correct. It has Naks classic transport with a belt driven by the 8096-C. Regards, Ram -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 20:32:01 2008 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:32:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <200811281742.mASHgk3D026832@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <723211.187.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hi Willy.    This Dragonized 1000ZXL project sounds like a labor of love for you.  With that in mind, I have a question.   I know the 1000ZXL is a large machine and therefore you probably had a lot of room to work with.  However, would it be possible to install the Dragon's 2 DD motors into a smaller machine, such as a CR-7 in order to lower its W&F, or would the fact that the CR-7 has a Sankyo transport make this impossible?   Regards, Jayson --- On Fri, 11/28/08, Willy Hermann Services wrote: From: Willy Hermann Services Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 12:44 PM Ron –   Thanks for the question.  Although the project was a fun challenge, I certainly didn’t undertake it just for fun.  The idea was to take the lower wow and flutter of the Dragon dual direct drive transport and combine it with the sweetness of the 1000ZXL electronics.  Many feel that the “classic” electronics of the late 70’s and early 80’s were the best sounding of the lot and that the sound quality began to become a little harsh and brittle in the late 80’s.  The direct drive transports weren’t introduced until the Dragon and ZX-9 with the later vintage electronics.  I haven’t had the chance to compare the DD 1000ZXL directly with the original belt drive version since I’ve never had the two side by side here.  Although Ben Stratford owns an original 1000ZXL as well as the ZX-9 version I did for him, he hasn’t had the time since his return to the UK to do any listening.  In fact, those units are still in storage.  That makes Ram the first to actually be able to compare the two and let us all know if the exercise was a waste of time or of real value.  He has a 1000ZXL Limited with which to do the comparison so I am VERY excited to hear what he has to say.  I know that on the bench I can certainly hear the difference between the .02% W/F of the DD transport and the .04% (at best) spec of the “classic” when I run pure tones.  That should translate into lower intermodulation distortion which (in the case of turntables at least) means that instruments are more distinct and less blurred (violins and violas become two separate instruments again).  Whether tapes made on the “classic” transport then played back on the DD transport sound better or different at all remains for Ram to discover.  Hope he has the time do to some listening soon after he gets the deck!   Willy   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 6:52 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality!   Willy, These must have been fun projects... I wonder, though, what was the purely technical advantage. Did you measure the 'before and after' W/F figures? Were the differences, if any, substantial enough to justify the projects? Was it measurable (let alone, audible)? -- Ron WillyHerm wrote: No, it has both DD motors in it.  I'm in process of posting pix onnext to Ben Stratfords ZX-9/1000ZXL.  Willy  -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On BehalfOf Wouter HeijkeSent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:31 AMTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality!  Hi Ram/Willy,You talk about 'a motor', so only one DD motor was transplanted or has itboth DD motors implanted?Willy, did you document anything with pictures for us to see?  Wouter    After mulling through the idea of a direct drive 1000ZXL since May 2007, my dreams of having one have been finally fulfilled by Willy Herman( a member of this forum) with a Dragon DD motor transplanted into one of my stock 1000ZXLs. Willy says it" works wonderfully and sounds    magnificient!"  Thanks Willy fro your second direct drive Super deck.          ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Fri Nov 28 20:32:30 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:32:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <200811281742.mASHgk3D026832@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <496669.31208.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Willy:         I assume the auto-reverse functions of the DRAGON could not be maintained in the 1000ZXL transplant? Is that correct? Thanks.     Mike --- On Fri, 11/28/08, Willy Hermann Services wrote: From: Willy Hermann Services Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 11:44 AM Ron –   Thanks for the question.  Although the project was a fun challenge, I certainly didn’t undertake it just for fun.  The idea was to take the lower wow and flutter of the Dragon dual direct drive transport and combine it with the sweetness of the 1000ZXL electronics.  Many feel that the “classic” electronics of the late 70’s and early 80’s were the best sounding of the lot and that the sound quality began to become a little harsh and brittle in the late 80’s.  The direct drive transports weren’t introduced until the Dragon and ZX-9 with the later vintage electronics.  I haven’t had the chance to compare the DD 1000ZXL directly with the original belt drive version since I’ve never had the two side by side here.  Although Ben Stratford owns an original 1000ZXL as well as the ZX-9 version I did for him, he hasn’t had the time since his return to the UK to do any listening.  In fact, those units are still in storage.  That makes Ram the first to actually be able to compare the two and let us all know if the exercise was a waste of time or of real value.  He has a 1000ZXL Limited with which to do the comparison so I am VERY excited to hear what he has to say.  I know that on the bench I can certainly hear the difference between the .02% W/F of the DD transport and the .04% (at best) spec of the “classic” when I run pure tones.  That should translate into lower intermodulation distortion which (in the case of turntables at least) means that instruments are more distinct and less blurred (violins and violas become two separate instruments again).  Whether tapes made on the “classic” transport then played back on the DD transport sound better or different at all remains for Ram to discover.  Hope he has the time do to some listening soon after he gets the deck!   Willy   From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 6:52 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality!   Willy, These must have been fun projects... I wonder, though, what was the purely technical advantage. Did you measure the 'before and after' W/F figures? Were the differences, if any, substantial enough to justify the projects? Was it measurable (let alone, audible)? -- Ron WillyHerm wrote: No, it has both DD motors in it.  I'm in process of posting pix onnext to Ben Stratfords ZX-9/1000ZXL.  Willy  -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On BehalfOf Wouter HeijkeSent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:31 AMTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality!  Hi Ram/Willy,You talk about 'a motor', so only one DD motor was transplanted or has itboth DD motors implanted?Willy, did you document anything with pictures for us to see?  Wouter    After mulling through the idea of a direct drive 1000ZXL since May 2007, my dreams of having one have been finally fulfilled by Willy Herman( a member of this forum) with a Dragon DD motor transplanted into one of my stock 1000ZXLs. Willy says it" works wonderfully and sounds    magnificient!"  Thanks Willy fro your second direct drive Super deck.          ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Nov 28 23:26:54 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:26:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <723211.187.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <723211.187.qm@web55104.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4930702E.90901@verizon.net> Some thoughts on the subject... First, the CR-7 is spec'd at 0.027% RMS. This is inaudible ( except for 'golden ears' or people that own more expensive decks and feel obliged to justify it -- and even these lose the ability in double blind listening tests). In any case, improving this to the Dragon's 0.02% isn't much of an improvement. The improvement Vs. the 1000ZXl's 0.04% is more substantial. Second, from the cost efficiency view point, -- the end result (of an improved CR-7) is hardly justifiable. Third, from the pride of ownership point of view -- again, the project isn't that attractive. But, of course, this is very subjective. Fourth, we are not sure the project is even doable. It's not just a space issue. The CR-7 control electronics wasn't designed to interface with a classic transport (for example, the azimuth auto adjustment is digital) and there may be a few gotchas. Note that the Dragon is bi-directional, while the CR-7 is not. Finally, one would be trading an easy to service deck with (still) good replacement parts availability, for something that isn't. Personally, I wouldn't go this route. -- Ron jayson levitz wrote: > Hi Willy. > > This Dragonized 1000ZXL project sounds like a labor of love for you. > With that in mind, I have a question. > > I know the 1000ZXL is a large machine and therefore you probably had a > lot of room to work with. However, would it be possible to install > the Dragon's 2 DD motors into a smaller machine, such as a CR-7 in > order to lower its W&F, or would the fact that the CR-7 has a > Sankyo transport make this impossible? > > Regards, > Jayson > > --- On *Fri, 11/28/08, Willy Hermann Services > //* wrote: > > From: Willy Hermann Services > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 12:44 PM > > Ron – > > > > Thanks for the question. Although the project was a fun > challenge, I certainly didn’t undertake it just for fun. The idea > was to take the lower wow and flutter of the Dragon dual direct > drive transport and combine it with the sweetness of the 1000ZXL > electronics. Many feel that the “classic” electronics of the late > 70’s and early 80’s were the best sounding of the lot and that the > sound quality began to become a little harsh and brittle in the > late 80’s. The direct drive transports weren’t introduced until > the Dragon and ZX-9 with the later vintage electronics. I haven’t > had the chance to compare the DD 1000ZXL directly with the > original belt drive version since I’ve never had the two side by > side here. Although Ben Stratford owns an original 1000ZXL as > well as the ZX-9 version I did for him, he hasn’t had the time > since his return to the UK to do any listening. In fact, those > units are still in storage. That makes Ram the first to actually > be able to compare the two and let us all know if the exercise was > a waste of time or of real value. He has a 1000ZXL Limited with > which to do the comparison so I am VERY excited to hear what he > has to say. I know that on the bench I can certainly hear the > difference between the .02% W/F of the DD transport and the .04% > (at best) spec of the “classic” when I run pure tones. That > should translate into lower intermodulation distortion which (in > the case of turntables at least) means that instruments are more > distinct and less blurred (violins and violas become two separate > instruments again). Whether tapes made on the “classic” transport > then played back on the DD transport sound better or different at > all remains for Ram to discover. Hope he has the time do to some > listening soon after he gets the deck! > > > > Willy > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > *On Behalf Of *Ron > *Sent:* Friday, November 28, 2008 6:52 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! > > > > > Willy, > > These must have been fun projects... I wonder, though, what > was the purely technical advantage. Did you measure the 'before > and after' W/F figures? Were the differences, if any, substantial > enough to justify the projects? Was it measurable (let alone, > audible)? > > -- Ron > > > > WillyHerm wrote: > > No, it has both DD motors in it. I'm in process of posting pix on > > next to Ben Stratfords ZX-9/1000ZXL. > > > > Willy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > > Of Wouter Heijke > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:31 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! > > > > Hi Ram/Willy, > > You talk about 'a motor', so only one DD motor was transplanted or has it > > both DD motors implanted? > > Willy, did you document anything with pictures for us to see? > > > > Wouter > > > > > >> After mulling through the idea of a direct drive 1000ZXL since May >> 2007, my dreams of having one have been finally fulfilled by Willy >> Herman( a member of this forum) with a Dragon DD motor transplanted >> into one of my stock 1000ZXLs. Willy says it" works wonderfully and sounds >> > magnificient!" > > > >> Thanks Willy fro your second direct drive Super deck. >> > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willy at willyhermannservices.com Sat Nov 29 00:15:14 2008 From: willy at willyhermannservices.com (Willy Hermann Services) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:15:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! In-Reply-To: <4930702E.90901@verizon.net> Message-ID: <200811282313.mASNDK0F003017@zxe.naks.com> Ron's right on all counts. The only reason the 1000ZXL/Dragon or 1000ZXL/ZX-7 mods are possible is that the transports are the same form factor and the electronics are designed to run that type mechanism. I would not attempt to do that mod on a CR deck - and the wow and flutter got much lower as the vintages progressed anyway. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:27 PM To: jmlevitz at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! Some thoughts on the subject... First, the CR-7 is spec'd at 0.027% RMS. This is inaudible ( except for 'golden ears' or people that own more expensive decks and feel obliged to justify it -- and even these lose the ability in double blind listening tests). In any case, improving this to the Dragon's 0.02% isn't much of an improvement. The improvement Vs. the 1000ZXl's 0.04% is more substantial. Second, from the cost efficiency view point, -- the end result (of an improved CR-7) is hardly justifiable. Third, from the pride of ownership point of view -- again, the project isn't that attractive. But, of course, this is very subjective. Fourth, we are not sure the project is even doable. It's not just a space issue. The CR-7 control electronics wasn't designed to interface with a classic transport (for example, the azimuth auto adjustment is digital) and there may be a few gotchas. Note that the Dragon is bi-directional, while the CR-7 is not. Finally, one would be trading an easy to service deck with (still) good replacement parts availability, for something that isn't. Personally, I wouldn't go this route. -- Ron jayson levitz wrote: Hi Willy. This Dragonized 1000ZXL project sounds like a labor of love for you. With that in mind, I have a question. I know the 1000ZXL is a large machine and therefore you probably had a lot of room to work with. However, would it be possible to install the Dragon's 2 DD motors into a smaller machine, such as a CR-7 in order to lower its W&F, or would the fact that the CR-7 has a Sankyo transport make this impossible? Regards, Jayson --- On Fri, 11/28/08, Willy Hermann Services wrote: From: Willy Hermann Services Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 12:44 PM Ron - Thanks for the question. Although the project was a fun challenge, I certainly didn't undertake it just for fun. The idea was to take the lower wow and flutter of the Dragon dual direct drive transport and combine it with the sweetness of the 1000ZXL electronics. Many feel that the "classic" electronics of the late 70's and early 80's were the best sounding of the lot and that the sound quality began to become a little harsh and brittle in the late 80's. The direct drive transports weren't introduced until the Dragon and ZX-9 with the later vintage electronics. I haven't had the chance to compare the DD 1000ZXL directly with the original belt drive version since I've never had the two side by side here. Although Ben Stratford owns an original 1000ZXL as well as the ZX-9 version I did for him, he hasn't had the time since his return to the UK to do any listening. In fact, those units are still in storage. That makes Ram the first to actually be able to compare the two and let us all know if the exercise was a waste of time or of real value. He has a 1000ZXL Limited with which to do the comparison so I am VERY excited to hear what he has to say. I know that on the bench I can certainly hear the difference between the .02% W/F of the DD transport and the .04% (at best) spec of the "classic" when I run pure tones. That should translate into lower intermodulation distortion which (in the case of turntables at least) means that instruments are more distinct and less blurred (violins and violas become two separate instruments again). Whether tapes made on the "classic" transport then played back on the DD transport sound better or different at all remains for Ram to discover. Hope he has the time do to some listening soon after he gets the deck! Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 6:52 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! Willy, These must have been fun projects... I wonder, though, what was the purely technical advantage. Did you measure the 'before and after' W/F figures? Were the differences, if any, substantial enough to justify the projects? Was it measurable (let alone, audible)? -- Ron WillyHerm wrote: No, it has both DD motors in it. I'm in process of posting pix on next to Ben Stratfords ZX-9/1000ZXL. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Wouter Heijke Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Dragonized 1000ZXL! Its a reality! Hi Ram/Willy, You talk about 'a motor', so only one DD motor was transplanted or has it both DD motors implanted? Willy, did you document anything with pictures for us to see? Wouter After mulling through the idea of a direct drive 1000ZXL since May 2007, my dreams of having one have been finally fulfilled by Willy Herman( a member of this forum) with a Dragon DD motor transplanted into one of my stock 1000ZXLs. Willy says it" works wonderfully and sounds magnificient!" 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URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 02:23:38 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:23:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 69, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: <200811281100.mASB0R2X018336@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <697236.87731.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Willy, I can't imagine the RX-303 was a very big seller and many don't float through ebay if that's any indicator. It would be logical for someone who wanted a Nak of this design to purchase the RX-202 if money was an issue. Or....to save and pony up for the Full Monty-the RX-505. Kevin The RX-303 has the classic transport. I just pulled the service manual to check but I don't think I've ever seen one for service and I don't recall stocking and selling the machine. It's a two head classic transport version of the unidirection auto reverse which means it's a half way stop between the RX-202 and RX-505. 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Message-ID: <4930FA8B.000003.05296@V-LOF9K8CYGGF41> Hi to all Nak owners , I received the belt replacement kit from the States - through E-Bay, and yesterday I replaced them, cleaned the control motor , the contacts - I followed Andy's site - great !!, and everything is perfect now - my NAK is working like "NEW" !!!! great recordings from FM -all night long ! Just one question - in the belt kit THERE IS also a rubber washer dimensions approx. 15 mm diameter, inside - 9 mm , and 2 mm thick I don't see in the service manual such part ( I received it from UK !) can anyone give me a clue where this part goes ? Or is it for another modification of the CR- 4 E ? Or CR-5,7 ? Regards Vladimir -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nuber of machines in the market are few and I do not know what could be the demand - You have mixed few decks in to wrong grouping- DR 1 /2 use CR 3 belt - your D1 belt BX 300/ CR4 /CR 7A/CR 5A all use same belt but different from CR 3 belt - they are Direct drive and still different from ZX 9 size- there are generic belts available for this use. They are going to be available and quite economical - Jeff had correct equivalent generic belt information for this and had posted the info. RX 303 uses ZX 7/ RX 505/480/580/680/700 ZXL/1000ZXL/700ZXE capstan belt that is -your D2 classic Nak belt Cassette Deck series 1 and 1.5 uses CR 3 Belt as DR1 /DR 2 and Dr 10 etc CD 2 / DR 3 DR 8 all two head machines with single capstan driven and use belts used in Bx1/100/150/2 and CR1/2 belts - I do not know whether you have correct size - they are different from CR3 Belt ZX 9 belt also has some generic equivalent and known to be tolerant to generic belt changes like BX 300. Kannan --- On Sat, 11/29/08, Marrs Communications wrote: > From: Marrs Communications > Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI CUSTOM BELT PROJECT # 3 " D3 " OCO 8334A FEEDBACK REQUESTED ! > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 11:24 AM >
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> Hello to All members,
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> I am considering another Capstan Belt project. I would like > members > opinions and feedback, as to how much interest their would > be for this > Belt.
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> The OCO 8334A Capstan Belt is used on the ZX-9.  In my > opinion, this > was the best  " all around "  machine > Nakamichi built.  Of course, this > is only my opinion.
>
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> This Capstan Belt can be used on "other" > Nakamichi models with > EXCELLENT results.  The color="#ff0000">D3 would ALSO be > Guaranteed to meet Nakamichi  > " Performance Specifications ".  > Someone
>  would need to furnish me with > a  " absolute genuine "  Nakamichi > OCO-8334  for  " reference",  > AND color="#ff0000"> > confirmation on "SIZE"  > FROM > members > is requested.
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> D-3  > Applications:                    > D-2  > Applications:                    > D-1  Applications:
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> ZX-9                                         > DR-1                                        > CR-3A
> BX-300                                     > RX-303                                 > " Others if a loose fit is > Preferred ".  ( A loose fit 8096-D2 ).
> MR-1                                        > RX-505
> C.DECK > 2                                > 480 - 582 Z
> CR-4 > A/E                                  > 660 - 682 ZX
> CR-5 > A/E                                   > LX-3
> CR-7 > A/E                                   > LX-5
>                                                  > ZX-7
>                                                 > 1000 ZXL
>                                                   > 700 ZXE
>                                                   > 700 ZXL
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> This would > only leave the OCO-80034 > A capstan belt, for the Sankyo transport > machines. I would also consider having this belt > manufactured to > Nakamichi Specifications, color="#ff0000">IF there is > enough interest ?  I need to HEAR from you!
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> The D-1 and D-2 are still available. The D-3 would  > "round out"  the > line nicely. This belt would be manufactured to Nakamichi > specification,  just like the D-1 and D-2.  > Target PRICE is the same > for this belt as the D-2, ( $25 to $28 ).  I have been > using this belt > on the Models Mentioned under the D-3 heading, color="#ff0000">for > 2-1/2 years. I discovered > the " fit  and performance " results, at the > same time I discovered the > D-1 is > perfect capstan for the CR-3A.   ( Has been confirmed > by members ).
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> A Highly Respected Nakamichi tech we ALL > know, has confirmed > the ZX-9 > belt I am CURRENTLY USING for these > application is good,  but I would consider having this > belt > manufactured color="#ff0000">IF > there is enough interest.
>
> It would also mean a top Quality Capstan Belt for the > BX-300, CR-7A, MR-1 and other machines !
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> FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT, PLEASE CONTACT ME AT > color="#ff0000">THIS > EMAIL:  color="#006600"> class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" > target="_blank" > href="mailto:info at marrscommunications.com">info at marrscommunications.com >
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> Thanks for everyone's time !  Fred M. >
> > > >
========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Sat Nov 29 18:57:50 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:57:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI CUSTOM BELT PROJECT # 3 " D3 " OCO 8334A FEEDBACK REQUESTED ! In-Reply-To: <180147.9944.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <180147.9944.qm@web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4931829E.4020000@marrscommunications.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saldi9 at home.ptt.ru Sun Nov 30 09:52:50 2008 From: saldi9 at home.ptt.ru (sergey) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:52:50 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505E FF and REW problem Message-ID: <1106737067.20081130115250@home.ptt.ru> Hello All, I am new member to the group. Need some help with my RX-505. FF or REW works good But at the end of the type (before auto stop works) strong idler noisy vibration takes place. What is the reason may be ? Thanks in advance. g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2008\2008-October.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Oct 1 02:37:25 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 01:37:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] any cure for squeaking DG cassettes? In-Reply-To: <054b01c9235c$553611a0$ffa234e0$@freeserve.co.uk> References: <11860717.1222811294067.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <054b01c9235c$553611a0$ffa234e0$@freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <057b01c9235d$e16ede80$a44c9b80$@com> Actually, this is an area where I CAN make a more "expert" opinion. Changing the shell of a recorded tape is usually straight forward, provided the shell you are transplanting to is one that screws shut. Generally it's just a case of lifting the reels and tape from one into the other, and where that can't be done, just use an old cassette shell with cheap or a duff recording. Cut away the old tape, leaving some leader, and splice one end of the "new" tape onto the old. Then carefully wind onto that "new" spool the tape from the old spool. That done, cut off at the leader of the old spool and splice the tape onto the "new" tape leader. Close the cassette shell and job done. I've done this quite a few times. However, if you cannot unscrew the shell from which you are taking the tape, you have to be careful if you split open the shell as one false move and the tape ends up unravelling all over the floor: Job buggered! It helps having a Bip cassette tape splicer, of course. Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:48 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] any cure for squeaking DG cassettes? Kimo, I am posting for Mr. Battagliani, Dragon owner, who only gets to read NakTalk when his daughter is home. My understanding is that this is stick-slip similar to the bad batch of TDK tapes. He is trying some other non-DG cassettes to compare. He has collected all 64 von Karajan titles on DG! tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: "Kimo B. Yap" >Sent: Sep 30, 2008 12:56 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] any cure for squeaking DG cassettes? > >Can you tell what the squeak is? Is it the tape against the sides of >the shell or rollers in >the cassette? I don't happen to have an pre-recorded DGs (don't have >many commercial pre-recorded >as well as most of the at least classical ones were pretty lousy back >then relative to their >vinyl counterparts). I don't suppose it's easy to take the shell >apart and transplant the tape...dubbing >is of course the other alternative, but, of course, degrades the >sound some.-kby From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Oct 1 02:43:30 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 01:43:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 auction In-Reply-To: <4b6f92900809301117g66f158e3h777fc96ae05379da@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b6f92900809301117g66f158e3h777fc96ae05379da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <058101c9235e$bab23930$3016ab90$@com> A ZX-9 fetched $655. See http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=380066962962&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 I'd have thought that's a pretty good price esp. given the present economic circumstances. G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Wed Oct 1 02:12:58 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:12:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon lives! References: Message-ID: <001f01c9235a$76066850$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> I thought Naks were female! I need the same plate for a 670zx, let me know if you find an extra! Rainer s. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pär Ericsson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 7:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon lives! Hello! My beloved Dragon is alive again! He was eating tape and recorded badly on the r/h channel when Dolby C was selected. The first problem was easy to fix since i had a brand new motor board, but the second took some time to figure out. Finally i found that the the r/h encoder Dolby ic was u/s. After replacement of the ic everything was okey. Next, I replaced all the orange caps and calibrated the deck and now it works perfect! If anyone needs Dolby ic´s I have some left. Now I will start with my next project, a badly abused 680ZX. Does anybody got the metal plate thats located on the cassette door with the text "Auto Azimuth Alignment"? Pelle. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Oct 1 04:51:28 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:51:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] any cure for squeaking DG cassettes? In-Reply-To: <30627041.1222792084380.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30627041.1222792084380.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48E2E5B0.6030301@verizon.net> Tom, I've run against this problem in other makes as well. If the squeaking is rather high pitched and very irritating, as in rubbing damp glass, it is mechanical. That is, you can hear it directly from the cassette well. It's caused by 'stiction' -- dried tape rubbing against the head. Sometimes, the fluttering tape also causes electrical output from the speakers. I've searched the net extensively and never found a cure (except for the obvious one of tossing the cassette, which I have done a couple of times). In other cases, the squeaking was more like a lower pitch rubbing sound that was accompanied by obvious sticking of the tape cake inside the shell. These were caused by dried friction sheets. I solved this by breaking the shell open and installing the tape in another shell. Carefully heating the old shell under a heat gun, to the point where it just starts to wrinkle, allows peeling off the label and transferring it to the new shell. Easy to do and I saved some priceless sets this way. -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > DG prerecorded tapes that squeak in playback are annoying. Does anyone have advice for curing this or avoiding it? > > tom brucker > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Oct 1 10:40:59 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:40:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] any cure for squeaking DG cassettes? In-Reply-To: <48E2E5B0.6030301@verizon.net> References: <30627041.1222792084380.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <48E2E5B0.6030301@verizon.net> Message-ID: <06fc01c923a1$6f3e4af0$4dbae0d0$@com> Nice tip, Ron re: opening the old shell. Beats my less subtle splitting open with a knife, which can be dangerous. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 3:51 AM To: Tom Brucker; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] any cure for squeaking DG cassettes? Tom, I've run against this problem in other makes as well. If the squeaking is rather high pitched and very irritating, as in rubbing damp glass, it is mechanical. That is, you can hear it directly from the cassette well. It's caused by 'stiction' -- dried tape rubbing against the head. Sometimes, the fluttering tape also causes electrical output from the speakers. I've searched the net extensively and never found a cure (except for the obvious one of tossing the cassette, which I have done a couple of times). In other cases, the squeaking was more like a lower pitch rubbing sound that was accompanied by obvious sticking of the tape cake inside the shell. These were caused by dried friction sheets. I solved this by breaking the shell open and installing the tape in another shell. Carefully heating the old shell under a heat gun, to the point where it just starts to wrinkle, allows peeling off the label and transferring it to the new shell. Easy to do and I saved some priceless sets this way. -- Ron From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Oct 1 15:17:04 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:17:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] any cure for squeaking DG cassettes? In-Reply-To: <06fc01c923a1$6f3e4af0$4dbae0d0$@com> References: <30627041.1222792084380.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <48E2E5B0.6030301@verizon.net> <06fc01c923a1$6f3e4af0$4dbae0d0$@com> Message-ID: <48E37850.1000202@verizon.net> I hope my poor wording didn't mislead. To clarify: I, too, cut the shell open using aggressive means. I heat the shell to remove the labels only *after* the tape is safely away. -- Ron Graham A Nelson wrote: > Nice tip, Ron re: opening the old shell. Beats my less subtle splitting open with a knife, which can be dangerous. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 3:51 AM > To: Tom Brucker; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] any cure for squeaking DG cassettes? > > > > Tom, I've run against this problem in other makes as > well. If the squeaking is rather high pitched and very > irritating, as in rubbing damp glass, it is mechanical. > That is, you can hear it directly from the cassette well. > It's caused by 'stiction' -- dried tape rubbing against > the head. Sometimes, the fluttering tape also causes > electrical output from the speakers. I've searched the > net extensively and never found a cure (except for the > obvious one of tossing the cassette, which I have done > a couple of times). > > In other cases, the squeaking was more like a lower > pitch rubbing sound that was accompanied by obvious > sticking of the tape cake inside the shell. These were > caused by dried friction sheets. I solved this by > breaking the shell open and installing the tape in > another shell. Carefully heating the old shell under a > heat gun, to the point where it just starts to wrinkle, > allows peeling off the label and transferring it to the > new shell. 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Rainer s. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pär Ericsson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 7:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon lives! Hello! My beloved Dragon is alive again! He was eating tape and recorded badly on the r/h channel when Dolby C was selected. The first problem was easy to fix since i had a brand new motor board, but the second took some time to figure out. Finally i found that the the r/h encoder Dolby ic was u/s. After replacement of the ic everything was okey. Next, I replaced all the orange caps and calibrated the deck and now it works perfect! If anyone needs Dolby ic´s I have some left. Now I will start with my next project, a badly abused 680ZX. Does anybody got the metal plate thats located on the cassette door with the text "Auto Azimuth Alignment"? Pelle. _____ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk Wed Oct 1 20:52:26 2008 From: cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk (Chris Mann) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:52:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300E donated Message-ID: <200810011852.m91IqZKl006018@zxe.naks.com> Hi I went on the Donation area of the site to offer this machine today but I thought I'd post here and add a few details. I'm based in the UK and I'm offering a BX-300E - here is all I can tell you about it. About 2 years ago, after the thrill of buying a very lovely BX-300E on eBay I bought another one. The seller made very few claims for it - I thought the idler tire replacement would cure all its ills, but I was wrong. Having a very sound BX to compare with, I could tell that the treble response on playback wasn't what it could be so I used a set of Luis' tapes to align the heads as well as I could. I was pleased with the job and I think all 3 heads are OK. However, it's really noticeable that when you switch Dolby B on for playback, the 'air' goes out of the sound in a way I know shouldn't happen - not to that extent anyway. A recalibration is needed and I've tried to do it but as members of the list have pointed out, sometimes DIY just doesn't get the result you want. Potentially this is a good-sounding deck for someone with more talent with a multimeter and calibration tapes than I have. Cosmetically the deck has marks on the top and the buttons look well used - but they all work, as do the meters and all the LED's on the front panel. At some point the mains cable has been severed and soldered back together and wrapped with insulating tape. It leaves you with a shorter than standard cable, if you can accomodate that. If it's not against list rules, my email address is cjlovesjazz at yahoo.co.uk for anyone who wants to know more. The deck is yours for the cost of shipping within the UK. It doesn't have a box or manual but I will pack it very well for transit. It would be great to know it can go to a good home and give the listening pleasure these machines are capable of. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sat Oct 4 19:53:30 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay In-Reply-To: <2700A9F1-6C75-40DC-B8D3-4E591D7B5F8D@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <17541.96713.qm@web33301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Kimo blowing my cover - I was not intending to hide myself but I did not want to continue this thread. And so I did not reply so far till the aucion eneded - as I do not want to defend myself for ebay listing here. However I had been having nice buyers and nice feedback ( not ebay feedback - but real emails after an year or so after the machine reached them ) from the buyers. I also see real trustworthy ebayers inspite of all sort of experiences that are reported here. Finally one word about Dragon maintanence - it is not as easy as replacing a belt on Rx 505- I am talking about seemingly working Dragons. This I say after repairing many Dragons in the past year. Nor later serial number Dragons ( or cosmetically great looking Dragons) compared to older Dragons perform better. Also there are lot of Dragon owners requiring service! If anybody is having Dragon transport with broken mounts - i am interested in purchasing it ( transport alone) . i can also help the owner of such a transport getting nice transport with mounting intact back in return for the broken mount transport - it may not be cheap but assures a working Dragon. I have a nice transport on cosmetically blemished Dragon which is donating parts ! thanks for everybody - whatever comment they offered, Kannan --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Kimo B. Yap wrote: > From: Kimo B. Yap > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 7:17 PM > IIRC that's Kanaan who is on this list. He'll > probably pipe in at > some point (espcially since > I've blown his cover).-kby > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From motionman20 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 6 23:01:20 2008 From: motionman20 at hotmail.com (Tom) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:01:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 540 High Quality Cassetes Availabe for Bid Message-ID: I have 540 high-quality cassette tapes listed for bid on eBay . They all have pop, rock, and classical music recorded in the 70s, 80s and 90s on the best Advent, Pioneer, JVC and Nakamichi Cassette Decks available at that time. I will also be selling a refurbished Nakamichi Dragon soon. To see cassette-tape ad, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=330276682717 or go to ebay and search: 330276682717 Send me an email for a more detailed list of music titles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 7 22:04:36 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:04:36 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-5 playback head Message-ID: <19580374.1223409876470.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> i've seen no response to your questions. In a general sense finding a ZX9 is the only "upgrade " route that is practical. The ZX9 has selected heads and a better drive motor than the LX5. No Dolby upgrades exist, however many decks of this era benefit from "orange cap" replacement. Symptoms of orange cap problems are often subtle, like rusing background noise when using Dolby. I suppose a 700 or 1000ZXL would also represent an upgrade. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Evan Lowery >Sent: Sep 30, 2008 1:36 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-5 playback head > >Does anyone sell or have a source for new/used/low milage playback heads for an LX-5? >If the naks info on the site is correct it is a 'P-8L' playback head. Is there an upgrade/better replacement head for this unit? > >Also is there an "upgraded dolby IC" or is that not possible because there are multiple/too many ICs/parts to replace? > >Are there any other LX-5 upgrades that are worth the time, effort and money? > >Thanks a lot > >-Evan > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From BOEING747600 at aol.com Tue Oct 7 22:56:46 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:56:46 EDT Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI BX 300 NOT WORKING , PLEASE HELP! Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I have a Nakamichi BX 300 cassette deck with bad pre-amp section, the transport work great. When you place a cassette in the tape deck and hit play the only thing you hear is crackling sound and when you try to feed a signal from line in jacks the audio is very distorted. I have cleaned the sliding inputs and output controls all to no avail. Any idea what might be wrong, the cassette deck otherwise is in showroom condition and no one has ever worked on it. Any kind help to trouble shoot this problem will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Ali **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! 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I find an odd lack of symmetry, so I don't believe the glue has an audible purpose, but this is the first I've seen so I'm posting it for discussion. BTW, this deck was -2dB @ 15kHz with 0Vu in! Not quite a ZXL, but certainly worthy. The BX 300 is a baby ZXL! tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Oct 9 01:05:57 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?UTF-8?B?QW50b2luZSBEZXNjaMOqbmVz?=) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:05:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 gear drive version, notes In-Reply-To: <3759540.1223503998152.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <3759540.1223503998152.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48ED3CD5.1080408@yahoo.ca> Probably DIY modded and upgraded to gear drive? I guess the glue under the caps is there to reduce vibrations, which of course, makes the 3D sound stage wider, improves dynamics, gives a blacker background, sounds more musical, makes the bass more detailed and trebles sound less harsh, we all know this. Tom Brucker a écrit : > I am curious about what appears to be a revised BX300 #48150. This deck has gear drive. Many of the parts have puddles of clear glue around certain areas, primarily enclosing small electrolytic caps. I find an odd lack of symmetry, so I don't believe the glue has an audible purpose, but this is the first I've seen so I'm posting it for discussion. > BTW, this deck was -2dB @ 15kHz with 0Vu in! Not quite a ZXL, but certainly worthy. The BX 300 is a baby ZXL! > > tom brucker > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 9 05:34:19 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:34:19 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] BX300 gear drive version, notes Message-ID: <23082901.1223523259441.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> There is a neat Nak sticker on the bottom plate as well with Japanese on it. Perhaps a prototype or experimental version? I don't recall a sticker in the gear drive conversion kit. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Antoine Deschênes >Sent: Oct 8, 2008 6:05 PM >To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX300 gear drive version, notes > >Probably DIY modded and upgraded to gear drive? >I guess the glue under the caps is there to reduce vibrations, which of >course, makes the 3D sound stage wider, improves dynamics, gives a >blacker background, sounds more musical, makes the bass more detailed >and trebles sound less harsh, we all know this. > >Tom Brucker a écrit : >> I am curious about what appears to be a revised BX300 #48150. This deck has gear drive. Many of the parts have puddles of clear glue around certain areas, primarily enclosing small electrolytic caps. I find an odd lack of symmetry, so I don't believe the glue has an audible purpose, but this is the first I've seen so I'm posting it for discussion. >> BTW, this deck was -2dB @ 15kHz with 0Vu in! Not quite a ZXL, but certainly worthy. The BX 300 is a baby ZXL! >> >> tom brucker >> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From davidt124 at internode.on.net Thu Oct 9 10:05:03 2008 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:05:03 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] AV-10 Receiver Message-ID: I am thinking of bidding on an AV-10 receiver. Does anyone know how to make an adaptor to connect a record player to one of its inputs? I presume it means reducing the line sensitivity. David From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Thu Oct 9 13:44:03 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:44:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Baby ZXL In-Reply-To: <200810091001.m99A0mrV009053@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <48AAEB80000304D3@mail-6-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Tom and others, I have repeatedly been surprised by high frequency MOL that BX-300 is capable of. Clearly better than most (if not all) classic Naks. Together with the exceptional good tapespeed stability this deck sports the utmost in cassette technology. But electronics are mediocre at best. Recording Bias etc I would not know, but replacing audiosignal electronics with tubes would be my first guess to maximize sound performance. Damping electronics with silicone glue is frequently done and helps reducing upper frequency distorsions by reducing ringing from low level microphonic effects. And may have benificial effects on the BX300 (no pun from me here). Happy listening, Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >From: Tom Brucker >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 gear drive version, notes >To: "naktalk at naks.com" > >I am curious about what appears to be a revised BX300 #48150. This deck has >gear drive. Many of the parts have puddles of clear glue around certain areas, >primarily enclosing small electrolytic caps. I find an odd lack of symmetry, >so I don't believe the glue has an audible purpose, but this is the first >I've seen so I'm posting it for discussion. > BTW, this deck was -2dB @ 15kHz with 0Vu in! Not quite a ZXL, but certainly >worthy. The BX 300 is a baby ZXL! > >tom brucker > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net From davidt124 at internode.on.net Thu Oct 9 14:11:15 2008 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:11:15 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] AV-10 Receiver Message-ID: A little research has shown me that I need a phono preamp. >I am thinking of bidding on an AV-10 receiver. >Does anyone know how to make an adaptor to connect a record player to one of >its inputs? I presume it means reducing the line sensitivity. David From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Oct 9 14:17:37 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:17:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] AV-10 Receiver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EDF661.2070004@verizon.net> David Thompson wrote: > I am thinking of bidding on an AV-10 receiver. > Does anyone know how to make an adaptor to connect a record player to one of > its inputs? I presume it means reducing the line sensitivity. > > David The 'adaptor' that allows playing records through a receiver is known as 'phono stage'. There are two common types, to match the type of the cartridge (MM, for 'moving magnet' or MC, for 'moving coil') installed on the turntable. Both types actually have fairy high gain, so the net effect is to *increase* gain, not reduce it. In addition to the added gain, the phono stage provides for equalization, without which records will sound very thin (meaning, horrible). Some receivers (apparently, not the AV-10) have a built in phono stage. For those that do not, one can purchase a separate one, to be installed between the TT output and a line level input on the receiver. Cost varies between $30 for entry level gismos to several thousand dollars for high end units. Reasonable quality can be had in the hundreds range. The right choice depends on the quality of the TT and receiver. BTW, some cartridge types (ceramic, 'crystal') do not require a phono stage and may be connected directly to the TT, but I doubt you will like the sound (not to mention, life duration of your records). -- Ron From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 15:01:07 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 06:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Baby ZXL In-Reply-To: <48AAEB80000304D3@mail-6-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <47114.61539.qm@web30203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Schenk,   I agree on the quality of electronics on the BX300. A more ideal candidate for a Mini ZXL would be the 680ZX which has lots of ZXL like attributes in it. My guess though is that its playback stage robs it of the soundstage that the ZXL decks have.   Cheers Bala --- On Thu, 10/9/08, ScHenk wrote: From: ScHenk Subject: [naktalk] Baby ZXL To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 7:44 PM Tom and others, I have repeatedly been surprised by high frequency MOL that BX-300 is capable of. Clearly better than most (if not all) classic Naks. Together with the exceptional good tapespeed stability this deck sports the utmost in cassette technology. But electronics are mediocre at best. Recording Bias etc I would not know, but replacing audiosignal electronics with tubes would be my first guess to maximize sound performance. Damping electronics with silicone glue is frequently done and helps reducing upper frequency distorsions by reducing ringing from low level microphonic effects. And may have benificial effects on the BX300 (no pun from me here). Happy listening, Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >From: Tom Brucker >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 gear drive version, notes >To: "naktalk at naks.com" > >I am curious about what appears to be a revised BX300 #48150. This deck has >gear drive. Many of the parts have puddles of clear glue around certain areas, >primarily enclosing small electrolytic caps. I find an odd lack of symmetry, >so I don't believe the glue has an audible purpose, but this is the first >I've seen so I'm posting it for discussion. > BTW, this deck was -2dB @ 15kHz with 0Vu in! Not quite a ZXL, but certainly >worthy. The BX 300 is a baby ZXL! > >tom brucker > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Oct 9 18:03:41 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:03:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics In-Reply-To: <48AAEB80000304D3@mail-6-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> References: <200810091001.m99A0mrV009053@zxe.naks.com> <48AAEB80000304D3@mail-6-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <042c01c92a28$9e3d0f70$dab72e50$@com> I'm not meaning to doubt you here, Henk, but I am wondering if there is any reputable, non-pseudo scientific evidence that damping electronic components has any real effect, save for reducing strain on weak connections (as with a slightly loose tube or a circuit board with cracks.) I can understand how good damping can have an effect on anything mechanical, such as with a TT or any moving parts in a cassette deck. (I am led to understand that some of the old Pioneer range of cassette decks and the Technics, too, achieved some of their better-than-average performance because they reduced the level of vibration that could affect critical mechanics - i.e. by ensuring the tape was 99.9% stable as it passes over the R/P heads. I gather it was this damping of the mechanics in the Pioneer ST830S and ST740S that helped them produce w/f figures that would be the envy of even the best Nak.) But silicone or Sorbothane patches on circuit boards, microchips, resistors, transistors, etc ... can it really have a real effect, one that would pass even a DB test? I'm trying to keep an open mind, and maybe I don't understand enough about how electronic components work, but I just don't see any mechanical logic to this provided the device is robustly physically built and all joints correctly soldered. So, all you techies - what am I missing? You got a view on this, Ron? .) So, if you want to hedge your hard won earnings into a good investment ("snigger") buy it now. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ScHenk Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Baby ZXL Tom and others, I have repeatedly been surprised by high frequency MOL that BX-300 is capable of. Clearly better than most (if not all) classic Naks. Together with the exceptional good tapespeed stability this deck sports the utmost in cassette technology. But electronics are mediocre at best. Recording Bias etc I would not know, but replacing audiosignal electronics with tubes would be my first guess to maximize sound performance. Damping electronics with silicone glue is frequently done and helps reducing upper frequency distorsions by reducing ringing from low level microphonic effects. And may have benificial effects on the BX300 (no pun from me here). Happy listening, Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >From: Tom Brucker >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 gear drive version, notes >To: "naktalk at naks.com" > >I am curious about what appears to be a revised BX300 #48150. This deck has >gear drive. Many of the parts have puddles of clear glue around certain areas, >primarily enclosing small electrolytic caps. I find an odd lack of symmetry, >so I don't believe the glue has an audible purpose, but this is the first >I've seen so I'm posting it for discussion. > BTW, this deck was -2dB @ 15kHz with 0Vu in! Not quite a ZXL, but certainly >worthy. The BX 300 is a baby ZXL! > >tom brucker > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Oct 9 22:09:41 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:09:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] AV-10 Receiver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0E72E76A-CEB1-4995-B99F-6EE3BA8FF71D@kvglabs.com> Actually, you'll need an RIAA phono preamplifier, assuming you're planning to play LPs and 45-rpm records. A record player or turntable needs additional gain as well as the characteristic EQ to reproduce records correctly. A record has reduced bass and boosted treble; the phono preamplifier cuts the treble and boosts the bass by the same amount to restore proper tonal balance. On Oct 9, 2008, at 3:05 AM, David Thompson wrote: > I am thinking of bidding on an AV-10 receiver. > Does anyone know how to make an adaptor to connect a record player > to one of > its inputs? I presume it means reducing the line sensitivity. > > David > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Thu Oct 9 22:26:23 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:26:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics In-Reply-To: <042c01c92a28$9e3d0f70$dab72e50$@com> References: <200810091001.m99A0mrV009053@zxe.naks.com> <48AAEB80000304D3@mail-6-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> <042c01c92a28$9e3d0f70$dab72e50$@com> Message-ID: Hi Graham, Yes, there is reputable, non-pseudo scientific evidence about damping electronics. I ask quite a bit out of my equipment designs, so I test my prototypes to destruction, including severe vibration tests designed to see if any sound quality changes occur as well as testing for failure modes. My test rig includes a 100G vibration table that can vibrate audio gear with 100 G shocks from 5 Hz to 25,000 Hz. Measurements are made with an array of wideband accelerometers. So, I have extensive data on this topic. (You should see the massive shock mounting required for one of my Type 62C valve theater amplifiers!) The practice of damping electronics has its origin in early transistor circuits. At the time listeners noticed that damping transistors and certain capacitors increased clarity and reduced the "fizziness" or "tizziness" of pre-mid-1970s transistor products. The cause was eventually found to be how early transistors, ICs and certain kinds of capacitors are assembled mechanically; they're inherently microphonic. Also early PC board technique tended to to create mechanically dubious connections when vibrated. Knowledge often has a degree of inertia -- beliefs stay in circulation even after the cause is gone and the practice is obsoleted. Also even today some designers fabricate PC boards too thinly, such PCBs do benefit from damping. So damping electronics CAN help specific pieces of equipment. I damped the transistors in my Uhers, the Nagra III, Scully 280 and Shure M68 and heard an immediate improvement, but damping the transistors in my Nakamichi 550, Revox A77 or Ampex AG440 produced no perceptible benefit. My personal opinion is that if damping the electronics of a piece of new solid state equipment improves its sound, then I'd ask for my money back. On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > I'm not meaning to doubt you here, Henk, but I am wondering if there > is any reputable, non-pseudo scientific evidence that damping > electronic components has any real effect, save for reducing strain > on weak connections (as with a slightly loose tube or a circuit > board with cracks.) I can understand how good damping can have an > effect on anything mechanical, such as with a TT or any moving parts > in a cassette deck. (I am led to understand that some of the old > Pioneer range of cassette decks and the Technics, too, achieved some > of their better-than-average performance because they reduced the > level of vibration that could affect critical mechanics - i.e. by > ensuring the tape was 99.9% stable as it passes over the R/P heads. > I gather it was this damping of the mechanics in the Pioneer ST830S > and ST740S that helped them produce w/f figures that would be the > envy of even the best Nak.) But silicone or Sorbothane patches on > circuit boards, microchips, resistors, transistors, etc ... can it > really have a real effect, one that would pass even a DB test? > > I'm trying to keep an open mind, and maybe I don't understand enough > about how electronic components work, but I just don't see any > mechanical logic to this provided the device is robustly physically > built and all joints correctly soldered. > > So, all you techies - what am I missing? > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 9 16:19:42 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:19:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] AV-10 Receiver Message-ID: <8919356.1223561982469.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Or an TA- or SR- series receiver. Both are fairly nice and some eBay sales are bargains. If you are DIY capable, find a 730 receiver (but do not pay a big price) and buy the aftermarket remote listed on eBAy. The 730 is amazing looking, and after you replace the two relays and relamp it, it is a very nice receiver. That receiver's phono section is the one found in the 610. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: David Thompson >Sent: Oct 9, 2008 7:11 AM >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Subject: [naktalk] AV-10 Receiver > >A little research has shown me that I need a phono preamp. > > >>I am thinking of bidding on an AV-10 receiver. >>Does anyone know how to make an adaptor to connect a record player to one of >>its inputs? I presume it means reducing the line sensitivity. > >David > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 9 21:17:41 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:17:41 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics Message-ID: <13361091.1223579861381.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Oct 9 21:48:44 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:48:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics In-Reply-To: <042c01c92a28$9e3d0f70$dab72e50$@com> References: <200810091001.m99A0mrV009053@zxe.naks.com> <48AAEB80000304D3@mail-6-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> <042c01c92a28$9e3d0f70$dab72e50$@com> Message-ID: <48EE601C.8060102@verizon.net> Graham, Here's some reputable, non-pseudo-scientific explanation... Like so many other snake oil and bird milk tweaks, this one also has some vague relationship to actual physics logic. Assuming existence of microphonic components, minimizing component vibration makes sense, as it will prevent the vibration from reaching the signal path. In the good old times of hollow state electronics, there were plenty of microphonic components. Foremost, the tubes themselves; but capacitors and even resistors were often to blame. At the time, anti vibration circuitry implementation was often employed in high end audio devices, especially in low level circuitry: tube sockets mounted on rubber grommets, tube shields with spring damping for the tubes, capacitors mounted on short leads and supported by heavy terminals, glue all over the place, etc. Today, microphonic components are a rarity, if they exist at all. Yet, tweak lovers appreciate any vibration elimination or damping, The only reason to glue down electrolytic caps is to make the assembly mechanically more robust -- and that, only if they are large and/or heavy. In that role, I have done it myself. Have fun with the responses, -- Ron Graham A Nelson wrote: > > I'm not meaning to doubt you here, Henk, but I am wondering if there > is any reputable, non-pseudo scientific evidence that damping > electronic components has any real effect, save for reducing strain on > weak connections (as with a slightly loose tube or a circuit board > with cracks.) I can understand how good damping can have an effect on > anything mechanical, such as with a TT or any moving parts in a > cassette deck. (I am led to understand that some of the old Pioneer > range of cassette decks and the Technics, too, achieved some of their > better-than-average performance because they reduced the level of > vibration that could affect critical mechanics - i.e. by ensuring the > tape was 99.9% stable as it passes over the R/P heads. I gather it > was this damping of the mechanics in the Pioneer ST830S and ST740S > that helped them produce w/f figures that would be the envy of even > the best Nak.) But silicone or Sorbothane patches on circuit boards, > microchips, resistors, transistors, etc ... can it really have a real > effect, one that would pass even a DB test? > > I'm trying to keep an open mind, and maybe I don't understand enough > about how electronic components work, but I just don't see any > mechanical logic to this provided the device is robustly physically > built and all joints correctly soldered. > > So, all you techies - what am I missing? You got a view on this, Ron? > > .) So, if you want to hedge your hard won earnings into a good > investment ("snigger") buy it now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On > Behalf Of ScHenk > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:44 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Baby ZXL > > Tom and others, > > I have repeatedly been surprised by high frequency MOL that BX-300 is > capable > > of. Clearly better than most (if not all) classic Naks. > > Together with the exceptional good tapespeed stability this deck > sports the > > utmost in cassette technology. > > But electronics are mediocre at best. Recording Bias etc I would not know, > > but replacing audiosignal electronics with tubes would be my first guess > > to maximize sound performance. > > Damping electronics with silicone glue is frequently done and helps > reducing > > upper frequency distorsions by reducing ringing from low level microphonic > > effects. And may have benificial effects on the BX300 (no pun from me > here). > > Happy listening, > > Henk Schenk > > Netherlands > > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > > > >From: Tom Brucker > > >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 gear drive version, notes > > >To: "naktalk at naks.com" > > > > > >I am curious about what appears to be a revised BX300 #48150. This deck > > has > > >gear drive. Many of the parts have puddles of clear glue around certain > > areas, > > >primarily enclosing small electrolytic caps. I find an odd lack of > symmetry, > > >so I don't believe the glue has an audible purpose, but this is the first > > >I've seen so I'm posting it for discussion. > > > BTW, this deck was -2dB @ 15kHz with 0Vu in! Not quite a ZXL, but > certainly > > >worthy. The BX 300 is a baby ZXL! > > > > > >tom brucker > > > > > >Hi Tech Service > > >2934 Nolensville Rd. > > >Nashville, TN 37211 > > >hitech77 at earthlink.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Oct 9 23:15:28 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?UTF-8?B?QW50b2luZSBEZXNjaMOqbmVz?=) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:15:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics In-Reply-To: <13361091.1223579861381.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13361091.1223579861381.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48EE7470.6030604@yahoo.ca> With the signal levels you find in a cassette deck, this would be non-sense. If Tektronix doesn't glue components on PCBs, why would a BX-series Nak need it? Also, clear glue usually is quite soft, and wouldn't really have a purpose, it might even be a little capacitive and cause more problems than it solves. You often see old dried glue causing major problems in CRT monitors. Scrape it, and it's solved! Tom Brucker a écrit : > > Graham and all, > > When parts wiggle in the presence of a magnetic field, they induce > AC voltages. When the distances between parts change, a small > capacitance effect is modulating signal currents. I suppose that is > technical reason enough. Potting parts helps reduce thermal drift, too. > > The Celestion SL7 speaker is a wonderful demonstration piece for > isolating parts to improve sound. The SL7 was a good speaker, but > Celestion took the same drivers and built the SL-700, moving the > crossover from the "normal" rear position to a bottom mounted > position. The difference in sound was stunning! > > Once masking effects of noise and distortion are lowered in Nakamichis > these subtle effects might resolve tweaks such as dampening. The odd > thing about this BX300 is parts dampened in one channel are not > dampened in the other. > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham A Nelson > Sent: Oct 9, 2008 11:03 AM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics > > I'm not meaning to doubt you here, Henk, but I am wondering if > there is any reputable, non-pseudo scientific evidence that > damping electronic components has any real effect, save for > reducing strain on weak connections (as with a slightly loose tube > or a circuit board with cracks.) I can understand how good > damping can have an effect on anything mechanical, such as with a > TT or any moving parts in a cassette deck. (I am led to > understand that some of the old Pioneer range of cassette decks > and the Technics, too, achieved some of their better-than-average > performance because they reduced the level of vibration that could > affect critical mechanics - i.e. by ensuring the tape was 99.9% > stable as it passes over the R/P heads. I gather it was this > damping of the mechanics in the Pioneer ST830S and ST740S that > helped them produce w/f figures that would be the envy of even the > best Nak.) But silicone or Sorbothane patches on circuit boards, > microchips, resistors, transistors, etc ... can it really have a > real effect, one that would pass even a DB test? > > I'm trying to keep an open mind, and maybe I don't understand > enough about how electronic components work, but I just don't see > any mechanical logic to this provided the device is robustly > physically built and all joints correctly soldered. > > So, all you techies - what am I missing? You got a view on this, Ron? > > .) So, if you want to hedge your hard won earnings into a good > investment (“snigger”) buy it now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > On Behalf Of ScHenk > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:44 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Baby ZXL > > Tom and others, > > I have repeatedly been surprised by high frequency MOL that BX-300 > is capable > > of. Clearly better than most (if not all) classic Naks. > > Together with the exceptional good tapespeed stability this deck > sports the > > utmost in cassette technology. > > But electronics are mediocre at best. Recording Bias etc I would > not know, > > but replacing audiosignal electronics with tubes would be my first > guess > > to maximize sound performance. > > Damping electronics with silicone glue is frequently done and > helps reducing > > upper frequency distorsions by reducing ringing from low level > microphonic > > effects. And may have benificial effects on the BX300 (no pun > from me here). > > Happy listening, > > Henk Schenk > > Netherlands > > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > > > >From: Tom Brucker > > >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 gear drive version, notes > > >To: "naktalk at naks.com" > > > > > >I am curious about what appears to be a revised BX300 #48150. This > deck > > has > > >gear drive. Many of the parts have puddles of clear glue around > certain > > areas, > > >primarily enclosing small electrolytic caps. I find an odd lack of > symmetry, > > >so I don't believe the glue has an audible purpose, but this is > the first > > >I've seen so I'm posting it for discussion. > > > BTW, this deck was -2dB @ 15kHz with 0Vu in! Not quite a ZXL, > but certainly > > >worthy. The BX 300 is a baby ZXL! > > > > > >tom brucker > > > > > >Hi Tech Service > > >2934 Nolensville Rd. > > >Nashville, TN 37211 > > >hitech77 at earthlink.net > > From bobcatcal at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 00:13:48 2008 From: bobcatcal at yahoo.com (Bob) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 Message-ID: <381783.26471.qm@web52201.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My cassette deck will not move tape.  I notice the solenoids to the left of the cassette housing chattering in indecision when PLAY, RW or FF buttons are pressed.  The only belt drive I see is for the mechanical tape counter.   Any suggestions on how to fix this?    Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 05:32:11 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <729987.83809.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit,   A lot of the effects of damping are also related to the construction of the components themselves and the circuit in question. Also, the older Naks and A77 are built on a foundation of a very sturdy chassis with good use of steel and tough internal bracing. A lot of attention is also given to tightening of all screws and locking glue even on mechanical assemblies.   That level of mechanical build means little vibration going to the PCBs, hence you notice very little effect upon dampening the components.   I remember dampening the DAC semiconductors and capacitors on my McIntosh MCD7009 player many years back. To my suprise, it produced negligible effects on the sound. I again tried a variety of cones and feets and again there was little improvement. The problem was not with the cones - Unicones, Black Diamond Racing, Goldmund and DH Cones are proven to produce results. But, what I found out after talking to the designers was that the chassis, had been so  well engineered to control vibration and resonance, to the point that it had become inert to acoustic feedback and the internal vibration that its transport produced.   Nakamichi has been a true pioneer - its CD1 changer-player actually has a  resonance block bonded to the top chassis so as to control vibrations. Non of Nakamichi's older decks have improved when placed on cones or feets of any kind. The only one that yielded improvement on a set of Black Diamond Racing was the DR10.   I certainly should ask my money back for the DR10!   Bala --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Kermit Gray wrote: From: Kermit Gray Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 4:26 AM Hi Graham,  Yes, there is reputable, non-pseudo scientific evidence about damping electronics. I ask quite a bit out of my equipment designs, so I test my prototypes to destruction, including severe vibration tests designed to see if any sound quality changes occur as well as testing for failure modes. My test rig includes a 100G vibration table that can vibrate audio gear with 100 G shocks from 5 Hz to 25,000 Hz. Measurements are made with an array of wideband accelerometers. So, I have extensive data on this topic. (You should see the massive shock mounting required for one of my Type 62C valve theater amplifiers!) The practice of damping electronics has its origin in early transistor circuits. At the time listeners noticed that damping transistors and certain capacitors increased clarity and reduced the "fizziness" or "tizziness" of pre-mid-1970s transistor products. The cause was eventually found to be how early transistors, ICs and certain kinds of capacitors are assembled mechanically; they're inherently microphonic. Also early PC board technique tended to to create mechanically dubious connections when vibrated. Knowledge often has a degree of inertia -- beliefs stay in circulation even after the cause is gone and the practice is obsoleted.  Also even today some designers fabricate PC boards too thinly, such PCBs do benefit from damping.  So damping electronics CAN help specific pieces of equipment. I damped the transistors in my Uhers, the Nagra III, Scully 280 and Shure M68 and heard an immediate improvement, but damping the transistors in my Nakamichi 550, Revox A77 or Ampex AG440 produced no perceptible benefit.  My personal opinion is that if damping the electronics of a piece of new solid state equipment improves its sound, then I'd ask for my money back.  On Oct 9, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Graham A Nelson wrote: I'm not meaning to doubt you here, Henk, but I am wondering if there is any reputable, non-pseudo scientific evidence that damping electronic components has any real effect, save for reducing strain on weak connections (as with a slightly loose tube or a circuit board with cracks.)  I can understand how good damping can have an effect on anything mechanical, such as with a TT or any moving parts in a cassette deck.  (I am led to understand that some of the old Pioneer range of cassette decks and the Technics, too, achieved some of their better-than-average performance because they reduced the level of vibration that could affect critical mechanics - i.e. by ensuring the tape was 99.9% stable as it passes over the R/P heads.  I gather it was this damping of the mechanics in the Pioneer ST830S and ST740S that helped them produce w/f figures that would be the envy of even the best Nak.)  But silicone or Sorbothane patches on circuit boards, microchips, resistors, transistors, etc ... can it really have a real effect, one that would pass even a DB test? I'm trying to keep an open mind, and maybe I don't understand enough about how electronic components work, but I just don't see any mechanical logic to this provided the device is robustly physically built and all joints correctly soldered.  So, all you techies - what am I missing?  -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Oct 10 09:31:28 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:31:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Headphone out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <018001c92aaa$36bfdbc0$a43f9340$@com> With regard to my ZX9, I can compare it with the headphone amps of my Sugden A21 (integrated amp - presently out of service) and those of the Arcam Delta 100 and Pioneer CT830S. The Arcam and Pioneer lack tonal colour in comparison with the Nak - at least they seem to do by my ear - although the Arcam isn't far behind. (I certainly much prefer the Arcam over the Pioneer, and find it a pleasant listen albeit slightly less so than the Nak.) The Arcam and ZX9 do a good job when fed a signal from my Trevor Lees pre-amp (which doesn't have a headphone o/p. ) That said, I prefer the Suggie over them all. In all cases, I wouldn't say any one of them is "better" except in terms of my own taste. Graham From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gene Ess Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 12:48 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Headphone out Hi, Just wondering what the consensus on the quality of the headphone out opamp on the Dragon. I compared it using a AKG K701 with an Arcam 8R amp Headphone out. I noticed the Dragon headphone out was more bright and for a minute, I liked it over the amp's headphone out. What do you guys think about the Nak headphone out quality? Gene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I keep an eye out for any Nak receiver but they are quite rare in Australia and too expensive from the USA now that our dollar has dropped drastically in value. David >Or an TA- or SR- series receiver. Both are fairly nice and some eBay sales are bargains. If you are DIY capable, find a 730 receiver (but do not pay a big price) and buy the aftermarket remote listed on eBAy. The 730 is amazing >looking, and after you replace the two relays and relamp it, it is a very nice receiver. That receiver's phono section is the one found in the 610. >tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: David Thompson >Sent: Oct 9, 2008 7:11 AM >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >Subject: [naktalk] AV-10 Receiver > >A little research has shown me that I need a phono preamp. > > >>I am thinking of bidding on an AV-10 receiver. >>Does anyone know how to make an adaptor to connect a record player to one of >>its inputs? I presume it means reducing the line sensitivity. > >David From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 10 15:47:23 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:47:23 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] BX-100 Message-ID: <21844996.1223646443339.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Oct 10 16:47:34 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:47:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics In-Reply-To: <13361091.1223579861381.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13361091.1223579861381.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48EF6B06.5030404@verizon.net> Tom, This is another vague 'scientific' explanation for a tweak. On 'the face of it, it's plausible enough, since conductors moving in a magnetic field do, indeed, produce a current. However, bear in mind this is true only for DC fields (AC fields do not need motion to induce current). I invite you to find and measure any DC field in any piece of audio equipment. You'll find that actual level of induced currents for this reason is somewhere between infinitesimal and non-existent. . This is reminiscent of the famous hullabaloo concerning the horrible detrimental effect of eddy currents in metal chassis. Impressive? Yes. Reasonable? No. But manufacturers use myths to further sales and thus, keep those myths alive. I still own a Denon CD player that was seriously more expensive than the lower one in their product line. Denon touted the special reinforced, non- vibrating case! Note that the case was made of plastic and was totally non-magnetic :-). -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > > Graham and all, > > When parts wiggle in the presence of a magnetic field, they induce > AC voltages. When the distances between parts change, a small > capacitance effect is modulating signal currents. I suppose that is > technical reason enough. Potting parts helps reduce thermal drift, too. > > The Celestion SL7 speaker is a wonderful demonstration piece for > isolating parts to improve sound. The SL7 was a good speaker, but > Celestion took the same drivers and built the SL-700, moving the > crossover from the "normal" rear position to a bottom mounted > position. The difference in sound was stunning! > > Once masking effects of noise and distortion are lowered in Nakamichis > these subtle effects might resolve tweaks such as dampening. The odd > thing about this BX300 is parts dampened in one channel are not > dampened in the other. > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham A Nelson > Sent: Oct 9, 2008 11:03 AM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics > > I'm not meaning to doubt you here, Henk, but I am wondering if > there is any reputable, non-pseudo scientific evidence that > damping electronic components has any real effect, save for > reducing strain on weak connections (as with a slightly loose tube > or a circuit board with cracks.) I can understand how good > damping can have an effect on anything mechanical, such as with a > TT or any moving parts in a cassette deck. (I am led to > understand that some of the old Pioneer range of cassette decks > and the Technics, too, achieved some of their better-than-average > performance because they reduced the level of vibration that could > affect critical mechanics - i.e. by ensuring the tape was 99.9% > stable as it passes over the R/P heads. I gather it was this > damping of the mechanics in the Pioneer ST830S and ST740S that > helped them produce w/f figures that would be the envy of even the > best Nak.) But silicone or Sorbothane patches on circuit boards, > microchips, resistors, transistors, etc ... can it really have a > real effect, one that would pass even a DB test? > > I'm trying to keep an open mind, and maybe I don't understand > enough about how electronic components work, but I just don't see > any mechanical logic to this provided the device is robustly > physically built and all joints correctly soldered. > > So, all you techies - what am I missing? You got a view on this, Ron? > > .) So, if you want to hedge your hard won earnings into a good > investment (“snigger”) buy it now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > On Behalf Of ScHenk > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:44 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Baby ZXL > > Tom and others, > > I have repeatedly been surprised by high frequency MOL that BX-300 > is capable > > of. Clearly better than most (if not all) classic Naks. > > Together with the exceptional good tapespeed stability this deck > sports the > > utmost in cassette technology. > > But electronics are mediocre at best. Recording Bias etc I would > not know, > > but replacing audiosignal electronics with tubes would be my first > guess > > to maximize sound performance. > > Damping electronics with silicone glue is frequently done and > helps reducing > > upper frequency distorsions by reducing ringing from low level > microphonic > > effects. And may have benificial effects on the BX300 (no pun > from me here). > > Happy listening, > > Henk Schenk > > Netherlands > > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > > > >From: Tom Brucker > > >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 gear drive version, notes > > >To: "naktalk at naks.com" > > > > > >I am curious about what appears to be a revised BX300 #48150. This > deck > > has > > >gear drive. Many of the parts have puddles of clear glue around > certain > > areas, > > >primarily enclosing small electrolytic caps. I find an odd lack of > symmetry, > > >so I don't believe the glue has an audible purpose, but this is > the first > > >I've seen so I'm posting it for discussion. > > > BTW, this deck was -2dB @ 15kHz with 0Vu in! Not quite a ZXL, > but certainly > > >worthy. The BX 300 is a baby ZXL! > > > > > >tom brucker > > > > > >Hi Tech Service > > >2934 Nolensville Rd. > > >Nashville, TN 37211 > > >hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Both are fairly nice and some eBay sales are >> > bargains. If you are DIY capable, find a 730 receiver (but do not pay a big > price) and buy the aftermarket remote listed on eBAy. The 730 is amazing > >> looking, and after you replace the two relays and relamp it, it is a very nice >> > receiver. That receiver's phono section is the one found in the 610. > > >> tom brucker >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: David Thompson >> Sent: Oct 9, 2008 7:11 AM >> To: "naktalk at naks.com" >> Subject: [naktalk] AV-10 Receiver >> >> A little research has shown me that I need a phono preamp. >> >> >> >>> I am thinking of bidding on an AV-10 receiver. >>> Does anyone know how to make an adaptor to connect a record player to one of >>> its inputs? I presume it means reducing the line sensitivity. >>> >> David >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Oct 10 20:07:03 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:07:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics References: <13361091.1223579861381.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <48EF6B06.5030404@verizon.net> Message-ID: <038a01c92b03$00c0a050$0241e0f0$@com> Thanks all for your considered views on this subject, even if they are all at some variance! (I remember the issue of “eddy effects”, Ron, and the expensive ($100?) “solution” offered by some “hi fi doctors”, which I think was called “The Brick”, a brick sized lump of steel encased in a nicely worked piece of wood. If it really did have any effect, the same would have been achieved with a large packet of nails at a fraction of the cost. But there again, it was recommended that you place the Brick onto of the amp and leave it at that; nothing like (if you believed the science) in such a place that the steel would divert the magnetic field away from the components… You know, I was sucked into that one! I didn’t buy the Brick but I tried the bag of nails and I even placed them above one side of the PSU so the mag’ current was steered away from the rest of the components. I swear I heard a difference. At least I did until I eventually took the nails away for some reason (probably needed a nail!), forgot they weren’t there and I didn’t hear a thing that was different … Oh, the power of suggestion is great, as any hypnotist may confirm. One even convinced me I’d not feel any pain when she stuck a pin in my hand, and I didn’t. She told me a cold penny she dropped into my hand was hot – it felt like it was! I even got a red mark on the skin where it had been.) Graham From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 3:48 PM To: Tom Brucker; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics Tom, This is another vague 'scientific' explanation for a tweak. On 'the face of it, it's plausible enough, since conductors moving in a magnetic field do, indeed, produce a current. However, bear in mind this is true only for DC fields (AC fields do not need motion to induce current). I invite you to find and measure any DC field in any piece of audio equipment. You'll find that actual level of induced currents for this reason is somewhere between infinitesimal and non-existent. . This is reminiscent of the famous hullabaloo concerning the horrible detrimental effect of eddy currents in metal chassis. Impressive? Yes. Reasonable? No. But manufacturers use myths to further sales and thus, keep those myths alive. I still own a Denon CD player that was seriously more expensive than the lower one in their product line. Denon touted the special reinforced, non- vibrating case! Note that the case was made of plastic and was totally non-magnetic :-). -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: Graham and all, When parts wiggle in the presence of a magnetic field, they induce AC voltages. When the distances between parts change, a small capacitance effect is modulating signal currents. I suppose that is technical reason enough. Potting parts helps reduce thermal drift, too. The Celestion SL7 speaker is a wonderful demonstration piece for isolating parts to improve sound. The SL7 was a good speaker, but Celestion took the same drivers and built the SL-700, moving the crossover from the "normal" rear position to a bottom mounted position. The difference in sound was stunning! Once masking effects of noise and distortion are lowered in Nakamichis these subtle effects might resolve tweaks such as dampening. 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Fri Oct 10 23:05:53 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:05:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics In-Reply-To: <038a01c92b03$00c0a050$0241e0f0$@com> References: <13361091.1223579861381.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <48EF6B06.5030404@verizon.net> <038a01c92b03$00c0a050$0241e0f0$@com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910810101405q4b80fc38w2cd9586a764ff3a8@mail.gmail.com> I'm impressed to see there's still people believing in non-blind ABX testing. Has no one ever heard that an AB test was once done with multiple samples of the same speaker with minimal exterior design differences, and the one that looked the most expensive was voted as the best sounding one, until a double-blind test was done. 2008/10/10 Graham A Nelson : > > > Thanks all for your considered views on this subject, even if they are all > at some variance! > > > > (I remember the issue of "eddy effects", Ron, and the expensive ($100?) > "solution" offered by some "hi fi doctors", which I think was called "The > Brick", a brick sized lump of steel encased in a nicely worked piece of > wood. If it really did have any effect, the same would have been achieved > with a large packet of nails at a fraction of the cost. But there again, it > was recommended that you place the Brick onto of the amp and leave it at > that; nothing like (if you believed the science) in such a place that the > steel would divert the magnetic field away from the components… You know, I > was sucked into that one! I didn't buy the Brick but I tried the bag of > nails and I even placed them above one side of the PSU so the mag' current > was steered away from the rest of the components. I swear I heard a > difference. At least I did until I eventually took the nails away for some > reason (probably needed a nail!), forgot they weren't there and I didn't > hear a thing that was different … Oh, the power of suggestion is great, as > any hypnotist may confirm. One even convinced me I'd not feel any pain when > she stuck a pin in my hand, and I didn't. She told me a cold penny she > dropped into my hand was hot – it felt like it was! I even got a red mark > on the skin where it had been.) > > > > Graham > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Oct 11 02:36:56 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:36:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics In-Reply-To: <16836913.1223660037224.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16836913.1223660037224.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <040801c92b39$78217a80$68646f80$@com> Perhaps I stand somewhere in the middle between Tom and Ron. No, not on the fence! My “trained” ear/brain can hear certain subtle differences. I noticed what is to my ear a slight warble with some piano music playing on my TT. I checked the speed with a strobe and there I found a barely visible wobble, as the platter moved to speed then slowed, back and forth, but as I say, it was barely visible. I took out the spindle. It was a little dry and there was some dirty on it too. A drop of oil and a wipe clean later, it’s rock steady again and I can hear the difference when I play a recording of Chopin. However, I have played around with cables and various tweaks and believed – sincerely believed - I heard differences that I couldn’t hear later. I’d fooled myself into hearing them. I am “suggestible” as the hypnotist proved. So too are many others. Indeed, spend lots of dosh on something that is meant to be an improvement and most people will hear a difference because they want to hear one. Thence, you can also train your mind to hear things that are not there just as you can train it to hear things that ARE there. Some Buddhist monks who live way above the tree line in the Himalayas can trick themselves into thinking the are hot, very hot, when they meditate in sub-zero temperatures covered only in wet blankets! By rights they should freeze and die of exposure, but they don’t; they fool their minds such that not only to they get hot, steam rises off the wet blankets that ought to be frozen solid with ice! (Apparently, they visualise and “feel” fire outside of their bodies which they then “breath in” and “circulate” around their bodies. It’s all in the mind but is so strong that the mind stimulates physical changes that ought not be occurring.) An associate in another hi fi club tells the story of how some of his dealers complained that some speakers made at his factory didn’t sound as good as some others that differed only in the cabinet colour. They could tell the difference, except there was no measurable difference. But they trusted their ears! At least they did until he subjected them to a blind test, when the different colours of the speaks could not be seen … then they could not hear any difference between the speakers. So, we can train ourselves to hear what is not there and train our brains to hear what is. I suppose the trick is in knowing which is real and which is an illusion. From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 6:34 PM To: Ron; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics Ron, Until you experience the difference between the SL-7 and SL-700, you'll have to accept my analysis. Celestion itself cited two changes between the models, the second being a copper metal tweeter instead of Aluminum. Now, my obersavations are over 15 years old, but I do trust that what I heard has more to do with the crossover location than the tweeter. High resolution systems are treasures for the critical listener...a virtual electron microscope. When you train (ears,mind,etc) on and have access to such a system, all the "laws" and "rules" that are touted in the audio world are exposed as incomplete or inconclusive. I've said this before and I share it with you again, music is an emotional connection our brains make with the performance or recording. We know very well what good music sounds like, but know very little about the factors that make it so. Tweeks are amatuer attempts to move closer to good sound. If a tweek succeeds, I don't care if I cannot understand the science, I want the tweek. Why let our linited understanding stand in the way of better music enjoyment? tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Ron Sent: Oct 10, 2008 9:47 AM To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics Tom, This is another vague 'scientific' explanation for a tweak. On 'the face of it, it's plausible enough, since conductors moving in a magnetic field do, indeed, produce a current. However, bear in mind this is true only for DC fields (AC fields do not need motion to induce current). I invite you to find and measure any DC field in any piece of audio equipment. You'll find that actual level of induced currents for this reason is somewhere between infinitesimal and non-existent. . This is reminiscent of the famous hullabaloo concerning the horrible detrimental effect of eddy currents in metal chassis. Impressive? Yes. Reasonable? No. But manufacturers use myths to further sales and thus, keep those myths alive. I still own a Denon CD player that was seriously more expensive than the lower one in their product line. Denon touted the special reinforced, non- vibrating case! Note that the case was made of plastic and was totally non-magnetic :-). -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: Graham and all, When parts wiggle in the presence of a magnetic field, they induce AC voltages. When the distances between parts change, a small capacitance effect is modulating signal currents. I suppose that is technical reason enough. Potting parts helps reduce thermal drift, too. The Celestion SL7 speaker is a wonderful demonstration piece for isolating parts to improve sound. The SL7 was a good speaker, but Celestion took the same drivers and built the SL-700, moving the crossover from the "normal" rear position to a bottom mounted position. The difference in sound was stunning! Once masking effects of noise and distortion are lowered in Nakamichis these subtle effects might resolve tweaks such as dampening. The odd thing about this BX300 is parts dampened in one channel are not dampened in the other. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Graham A Nelson Sent: Oct 9, 2008 11:03 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics I'm not meaning to doubt you here, Henk, but I am wondering if there is any reputable, non-pseudo scientific evidence that damping electronic components has any real effect, save for reducing strain on weak connections (as with a slightly loose tube or a circuit board with cracks.) I can understand how good damping can have an effect on anything mechanical, such as with a TT or any moving parts in a cassette deck. (I am led to understand that some of the old Pioneer range of cassette decks and the Technics, too, achieved some of their better-than-average performance because they reduced the level of vibration that could affect critical mechanics - i.e. by ensuring the tape was 99.9% stable as it passes over the R/P heads. I gather it was this damping of the mechanics in the Pioneer ST830S and ST740S that helped them produce w/f figures that would be the envy of even the best Nak.) But silicone or Sorbothane patches on circuit boards, microchips, resistors, transistors, etc ... can it really have a real effect, one that would pass even a DB test? I'm trying to keep an open mind, and maybe I don't understand enough about how electronic components work, but I just don't see any mechanical logic to this provided the device is robustly physically built and all joints correctly soldered. So, all you techies - what am I missing? You got a view on this, Ron? .) So, if you want to hedge your hard won earnings into a good investment (“snigger”) buy it now. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ScHenk Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Baby ZXL Tom and others, I have repeatedly been surprised by high frequency MOL that BX-300 is capable of. Clearly better than most (if not all) classic Naks. Together with the exceptional good tapespeed stability this deck sports the utmost in cassette technology. But electronics are mediocre at best. Recording Bias etc I would not know, but replacing audiosignal electronics with tubes would be my first guess to maximize sound performance. Damping electronics with silicone glue is frequently done and helps reducing upper frequency distorsions by reducing ringing from low level microphonic effects. And may have benificial effects on the BX300 (no pun from me here). Happy listening, Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >From: Tom Brucker >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 gear drive version, notes >To: "naktalk at naks.com" > >I am curious about what appears to be a revised BX300 #48150. This deck has >gear drive. Many of the parts have puddles of clear glue around certain areas, >primarily enclosing small electrolytic caps. I find an odd lack of symmetry, >so I don't believe the glue has an audible purpose, but this is the first >I've seen so I'm posting it for discussion. > BTW, this deck was -2dB @ 15kHz with 0Vu in! Not quite a ZXL, but certainly >worthy. 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David >Message: 4 >Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:00:40 -0400 >From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phono preamp >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <48EF6E18.1090209 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >If considering a DIY phono stage, you may wish to look at >the Hagerman Bugle.They sell it as a 'half kit (actually, just >the bare PCB) or as a completely wired and tested board. >Reasonably priced either way. >See http://www.hagtech.com/bugle.html -- Ron David Thompson wrote: > Thanks for the comments on phono preamps. > In my research, I found a source of a kit preamp and power supply based in > Australia that sound good: http://sound.westhost.com/project06.htm > > I missed out on the AV-10 but maybe another time. I keep an eye out for any > Nak receiver but they are quite rare in Australia and too expensive from the > USA now that our dollar has dropped drastically in value. > > David > > >> Or an TA- or SR- series receiver. Both are fairly nice and some eBay sales are >> > bargains. If you are DIY capable, find a 730 receiver (but do not pay a big > price) and buy the aftermarket remote listed on eBAy. The 730 is amazing > >> looking, and after you replace the two relays and relamp it, it is a very nice >> > receiver. That receiver's phono section is the one found in the 610. > > >> tom brucker From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 15:20:33 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:20:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics In-Reply-To: <040801c92b39$78217a80$68646f80$@com> References: <16836913.1223660037224.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <040801c92b39$78217a80$68646f80$@com> Message-ID: <48F0A821.5080507@verizon.net> Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any difference -- differences do exist. Just that many people, prompted by non audio factors, hear differences where physically none exists. I recently ran into an amusing example on a classic audio group. Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not. Some of the responses were amazing. For example, someone that identified himself as an electrical contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that 230VAC is more stable, more accurate and provided double the power (all of which are pure BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments. Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101. The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide 230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided more power (!). He also measured voltages within his amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which he attributed the audible improvements. Here's the kicker: when confronted with common engineering facts, the person stated that he had spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and therefore, no amount of high brow physics from people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. I gave up as the other guy was still trying to instill some high school information. -- Ron  Graham A Nelson wrote: > > Perhaps I stand somewhere in the middle between Tom and Ron. No, not > on the fence! My “trained” ear/brain can hear certain subtle > differences. I noticed what is to my ear a slight warble with some > piano music playing on my TT. I checked the speed with a strobe and > there I found a barely visible wobble, as the platter moved to speed > then slowed, back and forth, but as I say, it was barely visible. I > took out the spindle. It was a little dry and there was some dirty > on it too. A drop of oil and a wipe clean later, it’s rock steady > again and I can hear the difference when I play a recording of > Chopin. However, I have played around with cables and various tweaks > and believed – sincerely believed - I heard differences that I > couldn’t hear later. I’d fooled myself into hearing > them. I am “suggestible” as the hypnotist proved. So too are > many others. Indeed, spend lots of dosh on something that is meant > to be an improvement and most people will hear a difference because > they want to hear one. Thence, you can also train your mind to hear > things that are not there just as you can train it to hear things that > ARE there. Some Buddhist monks who live way above the tree line in > the Himalayas can trick themselves into thinking the are hot, very > hot, when they meditate in sub-zero temperatures covered only in wet > blankets!  By rights they should freeze and die of exposure, but > they don’t; they fool their minds such that not only to they get > hot, steam rises off the wet blankets that ought to be frozen solid > with ice! (Apparently, they visualise and “feel” fire outside of > their bodies which they then “breath in” and “circulate” > around their bodies. It’s all in the mind but is so strong that > the mind stimulates physical changes that ought not be occurring.) > >  > > An associate in another hi fi club tells the story of how some of his > dealers complained that some speakers made at his factory didn’t > sound as good as some others that differed only in the cabinet > colour. They could tell the difference, except there was no > measurable difference. But they trusted their ears! At least they > did until he subjected them to a blind test, when the different > colours of the speaks could not be seen … then they could not hear > any difference between the speakers. > >  > > So, we can train ourselves to hear what is not there and train our > brains to hear what is. I suppose the trick is in knowing which is > real and which is an illusion. > >  > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Tom Brucker > *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2008 6:34 PM > *To:* Ron; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics > >  > > Ron, > >  Until you experience the difference between the SL-7 and SL-700, > you'll have to accept my analysis. Celestion itself cited two changes > between the models, the second being a copper metal tweeter instead of > Aluminum. Now, my obersavations are over 15 years old, but I do trust > that what I heard has more to do with the crossover location than the > tweeter.  > > High resolution systems are treasures for the critical listener...a > virtual electron microscope. When you train (ears,mind,etc) on and > have access to such a system, all the "laws" and "rules" that are > touted in the audio world are exposed as incomplete or inconclusive. > I've said this before and I share it with you again, music is an > emotional connection our brains make with the performance or > recording. We know very well what good music sounds like, but know > very little about the factors that make it so. Tweeks are amatuer > attempts to move closer to good sound. If a tweek succeeds, I don't > care if I cannot understand the science, I want the tweek. Why let our > linited understanding stand in the way of better music enjoyment? > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > Sent: Oct 10, 2008 9:47 AM > To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics > > > Tom, > > This is another vague 'scientific' explanation for a tweak. > On 'the face of it, it's plausible enough, since conductors > moving in a magnetic field do, indeed, produce a current. > However, bear in mind this is true only for DC fields (AC > fields do not need motion to induce current). I invite you to > find and measure any DC field in any piece of audio > equipment. You'll find that actual level of induced currents > for this reason is somewhere between infinitesimal and > non-existent. . > > This is reminiscent of the famous hullabaloo concerning > the horrible detrimental effect of eddy currents in metal > chassis. Impressive? Yes. Reasonable? No. But > manufacturers use myths to further sales and thus, > keep those myths alive. I still own a Denon CD player that > was seriously more expensive than the lower one in their > product line. Denon touted the special reinforced, non- > vibrating case! Note that the case was made of plastic and > was totally non-magnetic :-). > > -- Ron > > > > > > Tom Brucker wrote: > > Graham and all, > >   When parts wiggle in the presence of a magnetic field, they > induce AC voltages. When the distances between parts change, a > small capacitance effect is modulating signal currents. I suppose > that is technical reason enough. Potting parts helps reduce > thermal drift, too. > >    The Celestion SL7 speaker is a wonderful demonstration > piece for isolating parts to improve sound. The SL7 was a good > speaker, but Celestion took the same drivers and built the > SL-700, moving the crossover from the "normal" rear position to > a bottom mounted position. The difference in sound was stunning! > > Once masking effects of noise and distortion are lowered in > Nakamichis these subtle effects might resolve tweaks such as > dampening. The odd thing about this BX300 is parts dampened in one > channel are not dampened in the other. > > tom brucker > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham A Nelson > Sent: Oct 9, 2008 11:03 AM > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' > Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics > > > I'm not meaning to doubt you here, Henk, but I am wondering if > there is any reputable, non-pseudo scientific evidence that > damping electronic components has any real effect, save for > reducing strain on weak connections (as with a slightly loose > tube or a circuit board with cracks.) I can understand how > good damping can have an effect on anything mechanical, such > as with a TT or any moving parts in a cassette deck. (I am > led to understand that some of the old Pioneer range of > cassette decks and the Technics, too, achieved some of their > better-than-average performance because they reduced the level > of vibration that could affect critical mechanics - i.e. by > ensuring the tape was 99.9% stable as it passes over the R/P > heads. I gather it was this damping of the mechanics in the > Pioneer ST830S and ST740S that helped them produce w/f figures > that would be the envy of even the best Nak.) But silicone > or Sorbothane patches on circuit boards, microchips, > resistors, transistors, etc ... can it really have a real > effect, one that would pass even a DB test? > > I'm trying to keep an open mind, and maybe I don't understand > enough about how electronic components work, but I just don't > see any mechanical logic to this provided the device is > robustly physically built and all joints correctly soldered. > > So, all you techies - what am I missing? You got a view on > this, Ron? > > .) So, if you want to hedge your hard won earnings into a > good investment (“snigger”) buy it now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ScHenk > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:44 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Baby ZXL > > Tom and others, > > I have repeatedly been surprised by high frequency MOL that > BX-300 is capable > > of. Clearly better than most (if not all) classic Naks. > > Together with the exceptional good tapespeed stability this > deck sports the > > utmost in cassette technology. > > But electronics are mediocre at best. Recording Bias etc I > would not know, > > but replacing audiosignal electronics with tubes would be my > first guess > > to maximize sound performance. > > Damping electronics with silicone glue is frequently done and > helps reducing > > upper frequency distorsions by reducing ringing from low level > microphonic > > effects. And may have benificial effects on the BX300 (no > pun from me here). > > Happy listening, > > Henk Schenk > > Netherlands > > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > >  > > >From: Tom Brucker > > > >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 gear drive version, notes > > >To: "naktalk at naks.com" > > > > > > >I am curious about what appears to be a revised BX300 #48150. > This deck > > has > > >gear drive. Many of the parts have puddles of clear glue > around certain > > areas, > > >primarily enclosing small electrolytic caps. I find an odd > lack of symmetry, > > >so I don't believe the glue has an audible purpose, but this > is the first > > >I've seen so I'm posting it for discussion. > > >   BTW, this deck was -2dB @ 15kHz with 0Vu in! Not > quite a ZXL, but certainly > > >worthy. The BX 300 is a baby ZXL! > > > > > >tom brucker > > > > > >Hi Tech Service > > >2934 Nolensville Rd. > > >Nashville, TN 37211 > > >hitech77 at earthlink.net > >  > >       > >  > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >          Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >                        > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > 615-331-9241 > >  >  > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Oct 11 23:28:10 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:28:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics In-Reply-To: <48F0A821.5080507@verizon.net> References: <16836913.1223660037224.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <040801c92b39$78217a80$68646f80$@com> <48F0A821.5080507@verizon.net> Message-ID: <029d01c92be8$43f2ea50$cbd8bef0$@com> Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome?! From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:21 PM To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any difference -- differences do exist. Just that many people, prompted by non audio factors, hear differences where physically none exists. I recently ran into an amusing example on a classic audio group. Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not. Some of the responses were amazing. For example, someone that identified himself as an electrical contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that 230VAC is more stable, more accurate and provided double the power (all of which are pure BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments. Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101. The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide 230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided more power (!). He also measured voltages within his amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which he attributed the audible improvements. Here's the kicker: when confronted with common engineering facts, the person stated that he had spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and therefore, no amount of high brow physics from people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. I gave up as the other guy was still trying to instill some high school information. -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From philztops at hotmail.com Sun Oct 12 07:35:44 2008 From: philztops at hotmail.com (Philip Czekala) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:35:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics In-Reply-To: <029d01c92be8$43f2ea50$cbd8bef0$@com> References: <16836913.1223660037224.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <040801c92b39$78217a80$68646f80$@com> <48F0A821.5080507@verizon.net> <029d01c92be8$43f2ea50$cbd8bef0$@com> Message-ID: Ah yes, I call these things "AUDIOPHILEPLACEBOS". The BEST one I've seen so far is these Space-age looking plastic contraptions that cost about $45.00 or more each and are designed to keep your speaker wires off the floor. If you place one about every 10/12 inches of speaker wire they actually do give you a deeper and cleaner BASS, a dynamically improved sound stage, higher highs and lower lows that you can really feel (especially in your bank balance). It looks so easy, I think I need a clever angle. How about a kit to convert a BX 125 to a 24 hour reel to reel for $75.00 with parts found in any basement. Any savvy investers out there? {8^ D Phil From: grahamanelson at googlemail.comTo: ra.ah at verizon.net; naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Damping electronicsDate: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:28:10 +0100CC: Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome?! From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:21 PMTo: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any difference -- differences do exist. Just that manypeople, prompted by non audio factors, hear differences where physically none exists.I recently ran into an amusing example on a classicaudio group. Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not. Some of the responses were amazing. For example, someone that identified himself as an electrical contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that 230VAC is more stable, more accurate and provided double the power (all of which are pure BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments. Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101.The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide 230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided more power (!). He also measured voltages within his amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which he attributed the audible improvements. Here's the kicker: when confronted with common engineering facts, the person stated that he had spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and therefore, no amount of high brow physics from people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. I gave up as the other guy was still trying to instill some high school information. -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Sun Oct 12 14:38:40 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Phono preamp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F1EFD0.7020409@verizon.net> A good drive capability is important if/when needed. If you have the turntable right next to the amp, you don't really need it, though it does no harm. In my case, the Bugle easily drove 15ft cables from my turntable to the pre-pro. Considering its price, the Bugle is actually a surprisingly nice phono stage. Even the snobs at Stereophile liked it, (though they thought it sounded 'woolly', which I disagree with). I put one together and used it for a while with a Shure V15-VMR cartridge. It sounded very clean, precise, accurate and analytical, which I liked. Silky highs. Someone looking for 'warm' or artificially 'big' sound may be disappointed (you can get that with a $40 Recoton). Later on I downgraded my record playing equipment (sold my ReVox B791 and got a Dial 5000). At about the same time, I got a pre-pro with a built in phono stage. The Bugle board is now stored away (probably headed for ebay one of these days). I still think it sounded better than the phono stage in my $5000+ pre-pro. I have no experience with other Hagerman models. -- Ron . David Thompson wrote: > Ron > > Thanks, I spotted that one too. > I wonder if you have any comments on the two circuits - they look similar > but the bugle has an extra op amp stage to the cheaper Elliott. The Bugle > description says on this: "A dc-coupled output buffer > provides enough drive for even passive line stages." How useful is this? > > David > > > >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:00:40 -0400 >> From: Ron >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phono preamp > >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Message-ID: <48EF6E18.1090209 at verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >> If considering a DIY phono stage, you may wish to look at >> the Hagerman Bugle.They sell it as a 'half kit (actually, just >> the bare PCB) or as a completely wired and tested board. >> Reasonably priced either way. >> > > >> See http://www.hagtech.com/bugle.html >> > > -- Ron > > > > David Thompson wrote: > >> Thanks for the comments on phono preamps. >> In my research, I found a source of a kit preamp and power supply based in >> Australia that sound good: http://sound.westhost.com/project06.htm >> >> I missed out on the AV-10 but maybe another time. I keep an eye out for any >> Nak receiver but they are quite rare in Australia and too expensive from the >> USA now that our dollar has dropped drastically in value. >> >> David >> >> >> >>> Or an TA- or SR- series receiver. Both are fairly nice and some eBay sales >>> > are > >>> >>> >> bargains. If you are DIY capable, find a 730 receiver (but do not pay a big >> price) and buy the aftermarket remote listed on eBAy. The 730 is amazing >> >> >>> looking, and after you replace the two relays and relamp it, it is a very >>> > nice > >>> >>> >> receiver. That receiver's phono section is the one found in the 610. >> >> >> >>> tom brucker >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Sun Oct 12 17:01:04 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 68, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: <200810121003.m9CA1LOM007060@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <763195.75400.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I call this the "feel good phenomenon', wherein what you hear in audio "differences" is exactly proportional to how much you payed for the improvement. Even in a group of people, if the mindset going in is such that there will be an improvement, then they all hear it in varying degrees. It's pointless to argue with any one of them, but it's interesting to note that even double-blind A/B/X have come under scrutiny by some "experts' as being invalid. When pressed as to what they think is a fair listening/testing procedure alternative, they squirm. I will add though that A/B/X listening tests should go on over weeks of time. Sometimes living with an amp or speakers over a long period of time will yield listeners' fatigue, no matter how much the units cost. Your ears are trying to tell you something. Kevin Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:20:33 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Message-ID: <48F0A821.5080507 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any difference -- differences do exist. Just that many people, prompted by non audio factors, hear differences where physically none exists. I recently ran into an amusing example on a classic audio group. Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not. Some of the responses were amazing. For example, someone that identified himself as an electrical contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that 230VAC is more stable, more accurate and provided double the power (all of which are pure BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments. Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101. The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide 230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided more power (!). He also measured voltages within his amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which he attributed the audible improvements. Here's the kicker: when confronted with common engineering facts, the person stated that he had spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and therefore, no amount of high brow physics from people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. I gave up as the other guy was still trying to instill some high school information. -- Ron --- On Sun, 10/12/08, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > From: naktalk-request at naks.com > Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 68, Issue 9 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 3:03 AM > Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to > naktalk at naks.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > naktalk-request at naks.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > naktalk-owner at naks.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." > > > Naktalk digest mailing list > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Thanks Tom Bruker, for help with Nakamichi BX 300 > problem, > which is now solved! (BOEING747600 at aol.com) > 2. Phono preamp (David Thompson) > 3. Re: Damping electronics (Ron) > 4. RE: Damping electronics (Graham A Nelson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:09:45 EDT > From: BOEING747600 at aol.com > Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Tom Bruker, for help with > Nakamichi BX 300 > problem, which is now solved! > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > HI Tom, Thanks for pointing me in the right direction > regarding the > problem I had with my BX 300. The pin 4 in IC 401 in the > power supply was showing a > reading of only 0.8v! instead of 12v which was tracked to a > open 100uf/25V > Shoei brand electrolytic capacitor. Replacing this > capacitor resotred the > missing 12 v and now the deck is playing recording like > new! This machine was > truly great recordings as you must already be knowing! > Thanks again for your > kind help, you are A1:) > > > With Best Regards! > Ali > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening > at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20081010/b784aec4/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:13:35 +1000 > From: David Thompson > Subject: [naktalk] Phono preamp > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Ron > > Thanks, I spotted that one too. > I wonder if you have any comments on the two circuits - > they look similar > but the bugle has an extra op amp stage to the cheaper > Elliott. The Bugle > description says on this: "A dc-coupled output buffer > provides enough drive for even passive line stages." > How useful is this? > > David > > > >Message: 4 > >Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:00:40 -0400 > >From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phono preamp > >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <48EF6E18.1090209 at verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >If considering a DIY phono stage, you may wish to look > at > >the Hagerman Bugle.They sell it as a 'half kit > (actually, just > >the bare PCB) or as a completely wired and tested > board. > >Reasonably priced either way. > > >See http://www.hagtech.com/bugle.html > > -- Ron > > > > David Thompson wrote: > > Thanks for the comments on phono preamps. > > In my research, I found a source of a kit preamp and > power supply based in > > Australia that sound good: > http://sound.westhost.com/project06.htm > > > > I missed out on the AV-10 but maybe another time. I > keep an eye out for any > > Nak receiver but they are quite rare in Australia and > too expensive from the > > USA now that our dollar has dropped drastically in > value. > > > > David > > > > > >> Or an TA- or SR- series receiver. Both are fairly > nice and some eBay sales > are > >> > > bargains. If you are DIY capable, find a 730 receiver > (but do not pay a big > > price) and buy the aftermarket remote listed on eBAy. > The 730 is amazing > > > >> looking, and after you replace the two relays and > relamp it, it is a very > nice > >> > > receiver. That receiver's phono section is the one > found in the 610. > > > > > >> tom brucker > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:20:33 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > > Message-ID: <48F0A821.5080507 at verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any > difference -- differences do exist. Just that many > people, prompted by non audio factors, hear > differences where physically none exists. > > I recently ran into an amusing example on a classic > audio group. Someone asked whether running > equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference > vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not. > > Some of the responses were amazing. For example, > someone that identified himself as an electrical > contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that > 230VAC is more stable, more accurate and > provided double the power (all of which are pure > BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments. > Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried > in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101. > > The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide > 230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing > improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided > more power (!). He also measured voltages within his > amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which > he attributed the audible improvements. > > Here's the kicker: when confronted with common > engineering facts, the person stated that he had > spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and > therefore, no amount of high brow physics from > people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' > experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. I > gave up as the other guy was still trying to instill > some high school information. > > -- Ron >  > > > > Graham A Nelson wrote: > > > > Perhaps I stand somewhere in the middle between Tom > and Ron. No, not > > on the fence! My âtrainedâ ear/brain can hear > certain subtle > > differences. I noticed what is to my ear a slight > warble with some > > piano music playing on my TT. I checked the speed > with a strobe and > > there I found a barely visible wobble, as the platter > moved to speed > > then slowed, back and forth, but as I say, it was > barely visible. I > > took out the spindle. It was a little dry and there > was some dirty > > on it too. A drop of oil and a wipe clean later, > itâs rock steady > > again and I can hear the difference when I play a > recording of > > Chopin. However, I have played around with cables > and various tweaks > > and believed â sincerely believed - I heard > differences that I > > couldnât hear later. Iâd fooled myself into > hearing > > them. I am âsuggestibleâ as the hypnotist > proved. So too are > > many others. Indeed, spend lots of dosh on > something that is meant > > to be an improvement and most people will hear a > difference because > > they want to hear one. Thence, you can also train > your mind to hear > > things that are not there just as you can train it to > hear things that > > ARE there. Some Buddhist monks who live way above > the tree line in > > the Himalayas can trick themselves into thinking the > are hot, very > > hot, when they meditate in sub-zero temperatures > covered only in wet > > blankets!  By rights they should freeze and die of > exposure, but > > they donât; they fool their minds such that not only > to they get > > hot, steam rises off the wet blankets that ought to be > frozen solid > > with ice! (Apparently, they visualise and âfeelâ > fire outside of > > their bodies which they then âbreath inâ and > âcirculateâ > > around their bodies. Itâs all in the mind but is > so strong that > > the mind stimulates physical changes that ought not be > occurring.) > > > >  > > > > An associate in another hi fi club tells the story of > how some of his > > dealers complained that some speakers made at his > factory didnât > > sound as good as some others that differed only in the > cabinet > > colour. They could tell the difference, except > there was no > > measurable difference. But they trusted their > ears! At least they > > did until he subjected them to a blind test, when the > different > > colours of the speaks could not be seen ⦠then they > could not hear > > any difference between the speakers. > > > >  > > > > So, we can train ourselves to hear what is not there > and train our > > brains to hear what is. I suppose the trick is in > knowing which is > > real and which is an illusion. > > > >  > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > > Behalf Of *Tom Brucker > > *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2008 6:34 PM > > *To:* Ron; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics > > > >  > > > > Ron, > > > >  Until you experience the difference between the > SL-7 and SL-700, > > you'll have to accept my analysis. Celestion > itself cited two changes > > between the models, the second being a copper metal > tweeter instead of > > Aluminum. Now, my obersavations are over 15 years old, > but I do trust > > that what I heard has more to do with the crossover > location than the > > tweeter.  > > > > High resolution systems are treasures for the critical > listener...a > > virtual electron microscope. When you train > (ears,mind,etc) on and > > have access to such a system, all the "laws" > and "rules" that are > > touted in the audio world are exposed as incomplete or > inconclusive. > > I've said this before and I share it with you > again, music is an > > emotional connection our brains make with the > performance or > > recording. We know very well what good music sounds > like, but know > > very little about the factors that make it so. Tweeks > are amatuer > > attempts to move closer to good sound. If a tweek > succeeds, I don't > > care if I cannot understand the science, I want the > tweek. Why let our > > linited understanding stand in the way of better music > enjoyment? > > > > tom brucker > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron > > Sent: Oct 10, 2008 9:47 AM > > To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics > > > > > > Tom, > > > > This is another vague 'scientific' > explanation for a tweak. > > On 'the face of it, it's plausible enough, > since conductors > > moving in a magnetic field do, indeed, produce a > current. > > However, bear in mind this is true only for DC > fields (AC > > fields do not need motion to induce current). I > invite you to > > find and measure any DC field in any piece of > audio > > equipment. You'll find that actual level of > induced currents > > for this reason is somewhere between infinitesimal > and > > non-existent. . > > > > This is reminiscent of the famous hullabaloo > concerning > > the horrible detrimental effect of eddy currents > in metal > > chassis. Impressive? Yes. Reasonable? No. But > > manufacturers use myths to further sales and thus, > > keep those myths alive. I still own a Denon CD > player that > > was seriously more expensive than the lower one in > their > > product line. Denon touted the special reinforced, > non- > > vibrating case! Note that the case was made of > plastic and > > was totally non-magnetic :-). > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom Brucker wrote: > > > > Graham and all, > > > >   When parts wiggle in the presence of a > magnetic field, they > > induce AC voltages. When the distances between > parts change, a > > small capacitance effect is modulating signal > currents. I suppose > > that is technical reason enough. Potting parts > helps reduce > > thermal drift, too. > > > >    The Celestion SL7 speaker is a wonderful > demonstration > > piece for isolating parts to improve sound. The > SL7 was a good > > speaker, but Celestion took the same drivers and > built the > > SL-700, moving the crossover from the > "normal" rear position to > > a bottom mounted position. The difference in > sound was stunning! > > > > Once masking effects of noise and distortion are > lowered in > > Nakamichis these subtle effects might resolve > tweaks such as > > dampening. The odd thing about this BX300 is parts > dampened in one > > channel are not dampened in the other. > > > > tom brucker > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Graham A Nelson > > Sent: Oct 9, 2008 11:03 AM > > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks' > > Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics > > > > > > I'm not meaning to doubt you here, Henk, > but I am wondering if > > there is any reputable, non-pseudo scientific > evidence that > > damping electronic components has any real > effect, save for > > reducing strain on weak connections (as with a > slightly loose > > tube or a circuit board with cracks.) I can > understand how > > good damping can have an effect on anything > mechanical, such > > as with a TT or any moving parts in a cassette > deck. (I am > > led to understand that some of the old Pioneer > range of > > cassette decks and the Technics, too, achieved > some of their > > better-than-average performance because they > reduced the level > > of vibration that could affect critical > mechanics - i.e. by > > ensuring the tape was 99.9% stable as it > passes over the R/P > > heads. I gather it was this damping of the > mechanics in the > > Pioneer ST830S and ST740S that helped them > produce w/f figures > > that would be the envy of even the best > Nak.) But silicone > > or Sorbothane patches on circuit boards, > microchips, > > resistors, transistors, etc ... can it really > have a real > > effect, one that would pass even a DB test? > > > > I'm trying to keep an open mind, and maybe > I don't understand > > enough about how electronic components work, > but I just don't > > see any mechanical logic to this provided the > device is > > robustly physically built and all joints > correctly soldered. > > > > So, all you techies - what am I missing? > You got a view on > > this, Ron? > > > > .) So, if you want to hedge your hard won > earnings into a > > good investment (âsniggerâ) buy it now. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com > > > > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of > ScHenk > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:44 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Baby ZXL > > > > Tom and others, > > > > I have repeatedly been surprised by high > frequency MOL that > > BX-300 is capable > > > > of. Clearly better than most (if not all) > classic Naks. > > > > Together with the exceptional good tapespeed > stability this > > deck sports the > > > > utmost in cassette technology. > > > > But electronics are mediocre at best. > Recording Bias etc I > > would not know, > > > > but replacing audiosignal electronics with > tubes would be my > > first guess > > > > to maximize sound performance. > > > > Damping electronics with silicone glue is > frequently done and > > helps reducing > > > > upper frequency distorsions by reducing > ringing from low level > > microphonic > > > > effects. And may have benificial effects on > the BX300 (no > > pun from me here). > > > > Happy listening, > > > > Henk Schenk > > > > Netherlands > > > > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > > > > >  > > > > >From: Tom Brucker > > > > > > > >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 gear drive > version, notes > > > > >To: "naktalk at naks.com" > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am curious about what appears to be a > revised BX300 #48150. > > This deck > > > > has > > > > >gear drive. Many of the parts have puddles > of clear glue > > around certain > > > > areas, > > > > >primarily enclosing small electrolytic > caps. I find an odd > > lack of symmetry, > > > > >so I don't believe the glue has an > audible purpose, but this > > is the first > > > > >I've seen so I'm posting it for > discussion. > > > > >   BTW, this deck was -2dB @ 15kHz > with 0Vu in! Not > > quite a ZXL, but certainly > > > > >worthy. The BX 300 is a baby ZXL! > > > > > > > > > >tom brucker > > > > > > > > > >Hi Tech Service > > > > >2934 Nolensville Rd. > > > > >Nashville, TN 37211 > > > > >hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > > >  > > > >       > > > >  > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >          Register your Nak > today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >                >         > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Hi Tech Service > > > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > > > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > > > > 615-331-9241 > > > >  > >  > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > 615-331-9241 > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20081011/b29081a7/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:28:10 +0100 > From: "Graham A Nelson" > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damping electronics > To: "'Ron'" > , "'Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette > Decks'" > Message-ID: <029d01c92be8$43f2ea50$cbd8bef0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome?! > > > > > > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at verizon.net] > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:21 PM > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics > > > > > Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any > difference -- differences do exist. Just that many > people, prompted by non audio factors, hear > differences where physically none exists. > > I recently ran into an amusing example on a classic > audio group. Someone asked whether running > equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference > vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not. > > Some of the responses were amazing. For example, > someone that identified himself as an electrical > contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that > 230VAC is more stable, more accurate and > provided double the power (all of which are pure > BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments. > Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried > in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101. > > The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide > 230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing > improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided > more power (!). He also measured voltages within his > amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which > he attributed the audible improvements. > > Here's the kicker: when confronted with common > engineering facts, the person stated that he had > spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and > therefore, no amount of high brow physics from > people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' > experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. I > gave up as the other guy was still trying to instill > some high school information. > > -- Ron > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20081011/8158f498/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 68, Issue 9 > ************************************** From notarbene at kvglabs.com Mon Oct 13 00:32:30 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:32:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Phono preamp In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, May I suggest Erno Borebly's truly excellent solid state phono preamplifier kits? I've personally found these to be among the finest sounding. In fact, they're so good that I cancelled the introduction of my own solid state phono preamplifier, the Type 96EQ, and instead refer people to Erno Borbely's work when I receive a request for a solid state phono preamplifier. http://www.borbelyaudio.com/ products.asp lists his kits. Of course, for valve phono preamplifiers, I'll put my Types 74EQ, 75EQ, 76EQ and 77EQ up against anything without fear of being bested. As for vintage equipment, I have several phono preamplifiers I often recommend to others. My two favorites are my Nakamichi 610 preamplifier and my Harmon-Kardon Citation Eleven. I cannot decide which of the two I prefer, both are so sublime and have an extreme level of clarity without losing musicality. To date, I've yet to find a phono preamplifier that approaches either of these -- including the legendary FM Acoustics products, despite their outstanding technical features. The Citation Eleven and Nakamichi 610 are two of my standards of comparison. To other interesting choices to consider are the oft-maligned Shure M61 and M64 broadcast phono preamplifiers. Okay, at first blush these seem to be garbage, I admit. They're quite correctly criticized for having an irritating grainy-sounding noise floor. I have the M64, and can attest to that. But I discovered that when powered by batteries or by a highly-regulated and well-filtered outboard power supply they're actually quite pleasing sounding. Then change the carbon resistors for metal film capacitors and put in good quality polypropylene capacitors and they come alive, very musical and a bit forward sounding but very involving. The actual circuit design of the Shure is very good, the problem is that Shure "cheaped out" on the power supply and the quality of the other components. On Oct 10, 2008, at 5:24 AM, David Thompson wrote: > Thanks for the comments on phono preamps. > In my research, I found a source of a kit preamp and power supply > based in > Australia that sound good: http://sound.westhost.com/project06.htm > > I missed out on the AV-10 but maybe another time. I keep an eye out > for any > Nak receiver but they are quite rare in Australia and too expensive > from the > USA now that our dollar has dropped drastically in value. > > David > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 02:55:36 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Phono preamp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <936234.72845.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> And I thought seriously this was a forum for talking about Nakamichi Cassette decks. Hmm..... Ram --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Kermit Gray wrote: From: Kermit Gray Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phono preamp To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 6:32 PM Hi David, May I suggest Erno Borebly's truly excellent solid state phono preamplifier kits? I've personally found these to be among the finest sounding. In fact, they're so good that I cancelled the introduction of my own solid state phono preamplifier, the Type 96EQ, and instead refer people to Erno Borbely's work when I receive a request for a solid state phono preamplifier. http://www.borbelyaudio.com/ products.asp lists his kits. Of course, for valve phono preamplifiers, I'll put my Types 74EQ, 75EQ, 76EQ and 77EQ up against anything without fear of being bested. As for vintage equipment, I have several phono preamplifiers I often recommend to others. My two favorites are my Nakamichi 610 preamplifier and my Harmon-Kardon Citation Eleven. I cannot decide which of the two I prefer, both are so sublime and have an extreme level of clarity without losing musicality. To date, I've yet to find a phono preamplifier that approaches either of these -- including the legendary FM Acoustics products, despite their outstanding technical features. The Citation Eleven and Nakamichi 610 are two of my standards of comparison. To other interesting choices to consider are the oft-maligned Shure M61 and M64 broadcast phono preamplifiers. Okay, at first blush these seem to be garbage, I admit. They're quite correctly criticized for having an irritating grainy-sounding noise floor. I have the M64, and can attest to that. But I discovered that when powered by batteries or by a highly-regulated and well-filtered outboard power supply they're actually quite pleasing sounding. Then change the carbon resistors for metal film capacitors and put in good quality polypropylene capacitors and they come alive, very musical and a bit forward sounding but very involving. The actual circuit design of the Shure is very good, the problem is that Shure "cheaped out" on the power supply and the quality of the other components. On Oct 10, 2008, at 5:24 AM, David Thompson wrote: > Thanks for the comments on phono preamps. > In my research, I found a source of a kit preamp and power supply > based in > Australia that sound good: http://sound.westhost.com/project06.htm > > I missed out on the AV-10 but maybe another time. I keep an eye out > for any > Nak receiver but they are quite rare in Australia and too expensive > from the > USA now that our dollar has dropped drastically in value. > > David > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Mon Oct 13 07:28:09 2008 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:28:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Damping electronics or Electricity 101 In-Reply-To: <200810121003.m9CA1LOM007060@zxe.naks.com> References: <200810121003.m9CA1LOM007060@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Hello Ron, As an electrician, and yes, and "expert" as the Electrical Contractor that you spoke to.. it seems your dissagreements with his information are wrong and misguided. I would like to know your "expertise" as you speak as an elitist with your "high brow physics" "theory" and "real world exprience"? >From the wording of your statement, you obviously haven't much experience in the electrical field. Your statements: "Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not" and "230VAC is more stable, more accurate and provided double the power (all of which are pure BS" and finally... "Here's the kicker: when confronted with common engineering facts, the person stated that he had spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and therefore, no amount of high brow physics from people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. I gave up as the other guy was still trying to instill some high school information." A 30A 240v circuit will carry 2 times the "power" as a 30A 120v circuit...this should be obvious.. There are many advantages to using a 240v circuit, mainly, voltage drop. This is something easily seen in electric motors that have multi-tap wiring (can use 120v/240v). When an electrical motor is wired and ran on a 240v circuit, it will usually run more efficiently as their is much less voltage drop. What I said above, all agrees with the statement: "230VAC is more stable, more accurate and provided double the power" the statement, is not "BS", as you claim... The above information also disproves your statement: "Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not" And when the person that you were talking down to, only spent $78 to get a 240v circuit to feed his audio system, I would say Great deal! Your statement of: " The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide 230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided more power (!). He also measured voltages within his amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which he attributed the audible improvements. To me, the persons conversation about gaining more power, higher measured voltages (less voltage drop) within the amp makes sense. In audio, a measureable difference can be a huge audio difference.. as so many audible changes and differences are not measurable. I don't understand you smug and negative comments about the above conversation... It looks to me that you spoke out of place and should study some basic electrical theory. At least don't put people down when you don't know what your talking about. Rick > Message: 4> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:28:10 +0100> From: "Graham A Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damping electronics> To: "'Ron'" , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette> Decks'" > Message-ID: <029d01c92be8$43f2ea50$cbd8bef0$@com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> > Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome?!> > > > > > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at verizon.net] > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:21 PM> To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics> > > > > Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any > difference -- differences do exist. Just that many> people, prompted by non audio factors, hear > differences where physically none exists.> > I recently ran into an amusing example on a classic> audio group. Someone asked whether running > equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference > vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not. > > Some of the responses were amazing. For example, > someone that identified himself as an electrical > contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that > 230VAC is more stable, more accurate and > provided double the power (all of which are pure > BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments. > Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried > in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101. >The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide >230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing >improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided >more power (!). He also measured voltages within his >amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which >he attributed the audible improvements.> > > Here's the kicker: when confronted with common > engineering facts, the person stated that he had > spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and > therefore, no amount of high brow physics from > people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' > experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. 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URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Oct 13 10:05:08 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:05:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Damping electronics or Electricity 101 In-Reply-To: References: <200810121003.m9CA1LOM007060@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3CA2C835-48E1-4B12-B080-BAEB28F77B8D@peromarta.org> Hi Richard et all. I have to jump in here ... Are we comparing European 230V network with US 115V network? Or are we comparing 115V equipment connected to US 115V line to 230V gear connected to 115V US line trough a $78 step-up transformer? If talking about the first question, Europe decided to use 230V line voltage long ago (actually, 220 in continental europe and 240 in GB but we all moved to 230V some time ago) to minimize line looses. Line regulation (I guess that's what you call voltage drop, but this is a consecuence of poor line regulation) is about the same at 115 and 230 lines, and it's measured in %. Depending on the areas, your electric co. may state a line reguation between 3% and 10%. 230 lines are neither more stable nor more accurate. They certainly do not carry twice the power. Their power rating depends on how they were designed. Now, connecting a step up transformer from 115 to 230 and run equipment from there is really a nonsense, as it certainly does have any impact on line regulation (Sorry Ron), but for the worse, more noticeable in the case of variable loads, like a power amplifier, because the transformer is a serial load. By the way, not considering the actual losses in the transformer, the power on the 230V tap is not bigger than from the 115 socket. It's the same, and depends on the rating of the fuse you may have upstream or the actual power rating of the transformer, whichever is smaller. My 2c. LP. El 13/10/2008, a las 7:28, RICHARD FIne escribió: Hello Ron, As an electrician, and yes, and "expert" as the Electrical Contractor that you spoke to.. it seems your dissagreements with his information are wrong and misguided. I would like to know your "expertise" as you speak as an elitist with your "high brow physics" "theory" and "real world exprience"? >From the wording of your statement, you obviously haven't much experience in the electrical field. Your statements: "Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not" and "230VAC is more stable, more accurate and provided double the power (all of which are pure BS" and finally... "Here's the kicker: when confronted with common engineering facts, the person stated that he had spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and therefore, no amount of high brow physics from people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. I gave up as the other guy was still trying to instill some high school information." A 30A 240v circuit will carry 2 times the "power" as a 30A 120v circuit...this should be obvious.. There are many advantages to using a 240v circuit, mainly, voltage drop. This is something easily seen in electric motors that have multi-tap wiring (can use 120v/240v). When an electrical motor is wired and ran on a 240v circuit, it will usually run more efficiently as their is much less voltage drop. What I said above, all agrees with the statement: "230VAC is more stable, more accurate and provided double the power" the statement, is not "BS", as you claim... The above information also disproves your statement: "Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not" And when the person that you were talking down to, only spent $78 to get a 240v circuit to feed his audio system, I would say Great deal! Your statement of: " The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide 230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided more power (!). He also measured voltages within his amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which he attributed the audible improvements. To me, the persons conversation about gaining more power, higher measured voltages (less voltage drop) within the amp makes sense. In audio, a measureable difference can be a huge audio difference.. as so many audible changes and differences are not measurable. I don't understand you smug and negative comments about the above conversation... It looks to me that you spoke out of place and should study some basic electrical theory. At least don't put people down when you don't know what your talking about. Rick > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:28:10 +0100 > From: "Graham A Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damping electronics > To: "'Ron'" , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks'" > Message-ID: <029d01c92be8$43f2ea50$cbd8bef0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome?! > > > > > > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at verizon.net] > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:21 PM > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics > > > > > Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any > difference -- differences do exist. Just that many > people, prompted by non audio factors, hear > differences where physically none exists. > > I recently ran into an amusing example on a classic > audio group. Someone asked whether running > equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference > vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not. > > Some of the responses were amazing. For example, > someone that identified himself as an electrical > contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that > 230VAC is more stable, more accurate and > provided double the power (all of which are pure > BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments. > Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried > in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101. >The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide >230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing >improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided >more power (!). He also measured voltages within his >amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which >he attributed the audible improvements. > > > Here's the kicker: when confronted with common > engineering facts, the person stated that he had > spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and > therefore, no amount of high brow physics from > people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' > experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. I > gave up as the other guy was still trying to instill > some high school information. > > -- Ron > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20081011/8158f498/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= > > > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 68, Issue 9 > ************************************** ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Oct 13 15:48:10 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:48:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Damping electronics or Electricity 101 In-Reply-To: References: <200810121003.m9CA1LOM007060@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910810130648g6312bc84q4ee78c13779742ad@mail.gmail.com> Don't forget that an amplifier is running through a power transformer. What he means is that if you get a 240v circuit installed, or use a 1:2 step-up transformer, and switched the transformer voltage on your amp, everyone knows it doesn't change anything. The small voltage rise could be due to the fact that the step-up transformer might have been providing 240-250V instead of 230V to the amp. If using 240V as a transformer input makes a difference, then all you would get is a different response time from the transformer to current peaks when playing music, which the capacitor bank should be covering anyways. -- Antoine Deschênes From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 13 15:49:15 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:49:15 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics Message-ID: <18021783.1223905755027.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 13 16:04:20 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:04:20 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 68, Issue 9 Message-ID: <1425540.1223906661105.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Kevin, you nailed one important point. In AB testing, what if both sound bad? Different, and bad? Is an experimentally derived ABX preference worth anything? I find the most compelling test the one where you return to something old, something you have listened to for years, and "rediscover" good sound that has been masked by digital this or surround DSP that. Isn't this group of cassette tape idiots 80% vested in this phenomenon? Does the ZXL sound better because it is expensive? Is a $10 480 better than a $100 480? The answer lies in the added distortions tape introduces in the signal path. There is plenty of room to improve sound when the process is so flawed. Think about speakers! Digital has a certain level of sameness because it introduces fewer flaws in the process. One could argue that most digital designs get caried away with their opening advantages that they muck up the sound with too many processing gimmicks. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Fetner >Sent: Oct 12, 2008 10:01 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 68, Issue 9 > >I call this the "feel good phenomenon', wherein what you hear in audio "differences" is exactly proportional to how much you payed for the improvement. Even in a group of people, if the mindset going in is such that there will be an improvement, then they all hear it in varying degrees. > >It's pointless to argue with any one of them, but it's interesting to note that even double-blind A/B/X have come under scrutiny by some "experts' as being invalid. When pressed as to what they think is a fair listening/testing procedure alternative, they squirm. I will add though that A/B/X listening tests should go on over weeks of time. Sometimes living with an amp or speakers over a long period of time will yield listeners' fatigue, no matter how much the units cost. Your ears are trying to tell you something. > >Kevin > > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:20:33 -0400 >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics >To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > >Message-ID: <48F0A821.5080507 at verizon.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > >Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any >difference -- differences do exist. Just that many >people, prompted by non audio factors, hear >differences where physically none exists. > >I recently ran into an amusing example on a classic >audio group. Someone asked whether running >equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference >vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not. > >Some of the responses were amazing. For example, >someone that identified himself as an electrical >contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that >230VAC is more stable, more accurate and >provided double the power (all of which are pure >BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments. >Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried >in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101. > >The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide >230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing >improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided >more power (!). He also measured voltages within his >amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which >he attributed the audible improvements. > >Here's the kicker: when confronted with common >engineering facts, the person stated that he had >spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and >therefore, no amount of high brow physics from >people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' >experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. I >gave up as the other guy was still trying to instill >some high school information. > >-- Ron > > > >--- On Sun, 10/12/08, naktalk-request at naks.com wrote: > >> From: naktalk-request at naks.com >> Subject: Naktalk Digest, Vol 68, Issue 9 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 3:03 AM >> Send Naktalk mailing list submissions to >> naktalk at naks.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body >> 'help' to >> naktalk-request at naks.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> naktalk-owner at naks.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >> specific >> than "Re: Contents of Naktalk digest..." >> >> >> Naktalk digest mailing list >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Thanks Tom Bruker, for help with Nakamichi BX 300 >> problem, >> which is now solved! (BOEING747600 at aol.com) >> 2. Phono preamp (David Thompson) >> 3. Re: Damping electronics (Ron) >> 4. RE: Damping electronics (Graham A Nelson) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:09:45 EDT >> From: BOEING747600 at aol.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Tom Bruker, for help with >> Nakamichi BX 300 >> problem, which is now solved! >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> HI Tom, Thanks for pointing me in the right direction >> regarding the >> problem I had with my BX 300. The pin 4 in IC 401 in the >> power supply was showing a >> reading of only 0.8v! instead of 12v which was tracked to a >> open 100uf/25V >> Shoei brand electrolytic capacitor. Replacing this >> capacitor resotred the >> missing 12 v and now the deck is playing recording like >> new! This machine was >> truly great recordings as you must already be knowing! >> Thanks again for your >> kind help, you are A1:) >> >> >> With Best Regards! >> Ali >> **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening >> at your destination. >> Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out >> (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20081010/b784aec4/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:13:35 +1000 >> From: David Thompson >> Subject: [naktalk] Phono preamp >> To: "naktalk at naks.com" >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> Ron >> >> Thanks, I spotted that one too. >> I wonder if you have any comments on the two circuits - >> they look similar >> but the bugle has an extra op amp stage to the cheaper >> Elliott. The Bugle >> description says on this: "A dc-coupled output buffer >> provides enough drive for even passive line stages." >> How useful is this? >> >> David >> >> >> >Message: 4 >> >Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:00:40 -0400 >> >From: Ron >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phono preamp >> >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> >> Message-ID: <48EF6E18.1090209 at verizon.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> >If considering a DIY phono stage, you may wish to look >> at >> >the Hagerman Bugle.They sell it as a 'half kit >> (actually, just >> >the bare PCB) or as a completely wired and tested >> board. >> >Reasonably priced either way. >> >> >See http://www.hagtech.com/bugle.html >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> David Thompson wrote: >> > Thanks for the comments on phono preamps. >> > In my research, I found a source of a kit preamp and >> power supply based in >> > Australia that sound good: >> http://sound.westhost.com/project06.htm >> > >> > I missed out on the AV-10 but maybe another time. I >> keep an eye out for any >> > Nak receiver but they are quite rare in Australia and >> too expensive from the >> > USA now that our dollar has dropped drastically in >> value. >> > >> > David >> > >> > >> >> Or an TA- or SR- series receiver. Both are fairly >> nice and some eBay sales >> are >> >> >> > bargains. If you are DIY capable, find a 730 receiver >> (but do not pay a big >> > price) and buy the aftermarket remote listed on eBAy. >> The 730 is amazing >> > >> >> looking, and after you replace the two relays and >> relamp it, it is a very >> nice >> >> >> > receiver. That receiver's phono section is the one >> found in the 610. >> > >> > >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:20:33 -0400 >> From: Ron >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics >> To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, Talk about Nakamichi >> Cassette Decks >> >> Message-ID: <48F0A821.5080507 at verizon.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any >> difference -- differences do exist. Just that many >> people, prompted by non audio factors, hear >> differences where physically none exists. >> >> I recently ran into an amusing example on a classic >> audio group. Someone asked whether running >> equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference >> vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not. >> >> Some of the responses were amazing. For example, >> someone that identified himself as an electrical >> contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that >> 230VAC is more stable, more accurate and >> provided double the power (all of which are pure >> BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments. >> Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried >> in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101. >> >> The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide >> 230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing >> improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided >> more power (!). He also measured voltages within his >> amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which >> he attributed the audible improvements. >> >> Here's the kicker: when confronted with common >> engineering facts, the person stated that he had >> spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and >> therefore, no amount of high brow physics from >> people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' >> experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. I >> gave up as the other guy was still trying to instill >> some high school information. >> >> -- Ron >>  >> >> >> >> Graham A Nelson wrote: >> > >> > Perhaps I stand somewhere in the middle between Tom >> and Ron. No, not >> > on the fence! My âtrainedâ ear/brain can hear >> certain subtle >> > differences. I noticed what is to my ear a slight >> warble with some >> > piano music playing on my TT. I checked the speed >> with a strobe and >> > there I found a barely visible wobble, as the platter >> moved to speed >> > then slowed, back and forth, but as I say, it was >> barely visible. I >> > took out the spindle. It was a little dry and there >> was some dirty >> > on it too. A drop of oil and a wipe clean later, >> itâs rock steady >> > again and I can hear the difference when I play a >> recording of >> > Chopin. However, I have played around with cables >> and various tweaks >> > and believed â sincerely believed - I heard >> differences that I >> > couldnât hear later. Iâd fooled myself into >> hearing >> > them. I am âsuggestibleâ as the hypnotist >> proved. So too are >> > many others. Indeed, spend lots of dosh on >> something that is meant >> > to be an improvement and most people will hear a >> difference because >> > they want to hear one. Thence, you can also train >> your mind to hear >> > things that are not there just as you can train it to >> hear things that >> > ARE there. Some Buddhist monks who live way above >> the tree line in >> > the Himalayas can trick themselves into thinking the >> are hot, very >> > hot, when they meditate in sub-zero temperatures >> covered only in wet >> > blankets!  By rights they should freeze and die of >> exposure, but >> > they donât; they fool their minds such that not only >> to they get >> > hot, steam rises off the wet blankets that ought to be >> frozen solid >> > with ice! (Apparently, they visualise and âfeelâ >> fire outside of >> > their bodies which they then âbreath inâ and >> âcirculateâ >> > around their bodies. Itâs all in the mind but is >> so strong that >> > the mind stimulates physical changes that ought not be >> occurring.) >> > >> >  >> > >> > An associate in another hi fi club tells the story of >> how some of his >> > dealers complained that some speakers made at his >> factory didnât >> > sound as good as some others that differed only in the >> cabinet >> > colour. They could tell the difference, except >> there was no >> > measurable difference. But they trusted their >> ears! At least they >> > did until he subjected them to a blind test, when the >> different >> > colours of the speaks could not be seen ⦠then they >> could not hear >> > any difference between the speakers. >> > >> >  >> > >> > So, we can train ourselves to hear what is not there >> and train our >> > brains to hear what is. I suppose the trick is in >> knowing which is >> > real and which is an illusion. >> > >> >  >> > >> > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On >> > Behalf Of *Tom Brucker >> > *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2008 6:34 PM >> > *To:* Ron; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics >> > >> >  >> > >> > Ron, >> > >> >  Until you experience the difference between the >> SL-7 and SL-700, >> > you'll have to accept my analysis. Celestion >> itself cited two changes >> > between the models, the second being a copper metal >> tweeter instead of >> > Aluminum. Now, my obersavations are over 15 years old, >> but I do trust >> > that what I heard has more to do with the crossover >> location than the >> > tweeter.  >> > >> > High resolution systems are treasures for the critical >> listener...a >> > virtual electron microscope. When you train >> (ears,mind,etc) on and >> > have access to such a system, all the "laws" >> and "rules" that are >> > touted in the audio world are exposed as incomplete or >> inconclusive. >> > I've said this before and I share it with you >> again, music is an >> > emotional connection our brains make with the >> performance or >> > recording. We know very well what good music sounds >> like, but know >> > very little about the factors that make it so. Tweeks >> are amatuer >> > attempts to move closer to good sound. If a tweek >> succeeds, I don't >> > care if I cannot understand the science, I want the >> tweek. Why let our >> > linited understanding stand in the way of better music >> enjoyment? >> > >> > tom brucker >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Ron >> > Sent: Oct 10, 2008 9:47 AM >> > To: Tom Brucker , Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >> Decks >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics >> > >> > >> > Tom, >> > >> > This is another vague 'scientific' >> explanation for a tweak. >> > On 'the face of it, it's plausible enough, >> since conductors >> > moving in a magnetic field do, indeed, produce a >> current. >> > However, bear in mind this is true only for DC >> fields (AC >> > fields do not need motion to induce current). I >> invite you to >> > find and measure any DC field in any piece of >> audio >> > equipment. You'll find that actual level of >> induced currents >> > for this reason is somewhere between infinitesimal >> and >> > non-existent. . >> > >> > This is reminiscent of the famous hullabaloo >> concerning >> > the horrible detrimental effect of eddy currents >> in metal >> > chassis. Impressive? Yes. Reasonable? No. But >> > manufacturers use myths to further sales and thus, >> > keep those myths alive. I still own a Denon CD >> player that >> > was seriously more expensive than the lower one in >> their >> > product line. Denon touted the special reinforced, >> non- >> > vibrating case! Note that the case was made of >> plastic and >> > was totally non-magnetic :-). >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Tom Brucker wrote: >> > >> > Graham and all, >> > >> >   When parts wiggle in the presence of a >> magnetic field, they >> > induce AC voltages. When the distances between >> parts change, a >> > small capacitance effect is modulating signal >> currents. I suppose >> > that is technical reason enough. Potting parts >> helps reduce >> > thermal drift, too. >> > >> >    The Celestion SL7 speaker is a wonderful >> demonstration >> > piece for isolating parts to improve sound. The >> SL7 was a good >> > speaker, but Celestion took the same drivers and >> built the >> > SL-700, moving the crossover from the >> "normal" rear position to >> > a bottom mounted position. The difference in >> sound was stunning! >> > >> > Once masking effects of noise and distortion are >> lowered in >> > Nakamichis these subtle effects might resolve >> tweaks such as >> > dampening. The odd thing about this BX300 is parts >> dampened in one >> > channel are not dampened in the other. >> > >> > tom brucker >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Graham A Nelson >> > Sent: Oct 9, 2008 11:03 AM >> > To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >> Decks' >> > Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics >> > >> > >> > I'm not meaning to doubt you here, Henk, >> but I am wondering if >> > there is any reputable, non-pseudo scientific >> evidence that >> > damping electronic components has any real >> effect, save for >> > reducing strain on weak connections (as with a >> slightly loose >> > tube or a circuit board with cracks.) I can >> understand how >> > good damping can have an effect on anything >> mechanical, such >> > as with a TT or any moving parts in a cassette >> deck. (I am >> > led to understand that some of the old Pioneer >> range of >> > cassette decks and the Technics, too, achieved >> some of their >> > better-than-average performance because they >> reduced the level >> > of vibration that could affect critical >> mechanics - i.e. by >> > ensuring the tape was 99.9% stable as it >> passes over the R/P >> > heads. I gather it was this damping of the >> mechanics in the >> > Pioneer ST830S and ST740S that helped them >> produce w/f figures >> > that would be the envy of even the best >> Nak.) But silicone >> > or Sorbothane patches on circuit boards, >> microchips, >> > resistors, transistors, etc ... can it really >> have a real >> > effect, one that would pass even a DB test? >> > >> > I'm trying to keep an open mind, and maybe >> I don't understand >> > enough about how electronic components work, >> but I just don't >> > see any mechanical logic to this provided the >> device is >> > robustly physically built and all joints >> correctly soldered. >> > >> > So, all you techies - what am I missing? >> You got a view on >> > this, Ron? >> > >> > .) So, if you want to hedge your hard won >> earnings into a >> > good investment (âsniggerâ) buy it now. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com >> > >> > [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of >> ScHenk >> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:44 PM >> > To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> > Subject: [naktalk] Baby ZXL >> > >> > Tom and others, >> > >> > I have repeatedly been surprised by high >> frequency MOL that >> > BX-300 is capable >> > >> > of. Clearly better than most (if not all) >> classic Naks. >> > >> > Together with the exceptional good tapespeed >> stability this >> > deck sports the >> > >> > utmost in cassette technology. >> > >> > But electronics are mediocre at best. >> Recording Bias etc I >> > would not know, >> > >> > but replacing audiosignal electronics with >> tubes would be my >> > first guess >> > >> > to maximize sound performance. >> > >> > Damping electronics with silicone glue is >> frequently done and >> > helps reducing >> > >> > upper frequency distorsions by reducing >> ringing from low level >> > microphonic >> > >> > effects. And may have benificial effects on >> the BX300 (no >> > pun from me here). >> > >> > Happy listening, >> > >> > Henk Schenk >> > >> > Netherlands >> > >> > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >> >> > >> >  >> > >> > >From: Tom Brucker >> >> > >> > >> > >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 gear drive >> version, notes >> > >> > >To: "naktalk at naks.com" >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >I am curious about what appears to be a >> revised BX300 #48150. >> > This deck >> > >> > has >> > >> > >gear drive. Many of the parts have puddles >> of clear glue >> > around certain >> > >> > areas, >> > >> > >primarily enclosing small electrolytic >> caps. I find an odd >> > lack of symmetry, >> > >> > >so I don't believe the glue has an >> audible purpose, but this >> > is the first >> > >> > >I've seen so I'm posting it for >> discussion. >> > >> > >   BTW, this deck was -2dB @ 15kHz >> with 0Vu in! Not >> > quite a ZXL, but certainly >> > >> > >worthy. The BX 300 is a baby ZXL! >> > >> > > >> > >> > >tom brucker >> > >> > > >> > >> > >Hi Tech Service >> > >> > >2934 Nolensville Rd. >> > >> > >Nashville, TN 37211 >> > >> > >hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >> > >> >  >> > >> >       >> > >> >  >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >          Register your Nak >> today! >> > http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >                >>         >> > Naktalk at naks.com >> mailinglist >> > >> > Maintain your account here: >> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > Hi Tech Service >> > >> > 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> > >> > Nashville, TN 37211 >> > >> > hitech77 at earthlink.net >> >> > >> > hitech at bellsouth.net >> >> > >> > 615-331-9241 >> > >> >  >> >  >> > Hi Tech Service >> > 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> > Nashville, TN 37211 >> > hitech77 at earthlink.net >> > hitech at bellsouth.net >> > 615-331-9241 >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20081011/b29081a7/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:28:10 +0100 >> From: "Graham A Nelson" >> >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damping electronics >> To: "'Ron'" >> , "'Talk about Nakamichi >> Cassette >> Decks'" >> Message-ID: <029d01c92be8$43f2ea50$cbd8bef0$@com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome?! >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at verizon.net] >> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:21 PM >> To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi >> Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics >> >> >> >> >> Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any >> difference -- differences do exist. Just that many >> people, prompted by non audio factors, hear >> differences where physically none exists. >> >> I recently ran into an amusing example on a classic >> audio group. Someone asked whether running >> equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference >> vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not. >> >> Some of the responses were amazing. For example, >> someone that identified himself as an electrical >> contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that >> 230VAC is more stable, more accurate and >> provided double the power (all of which are pure >> BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments. >> Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried >> in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101. >> >> The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide >> 230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing >> improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided >> more power (!). He also measured voltages within his >> amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which >> he attributed the audible improvements. >> >> Here's the kicker: when confronted with common >> engineering facts, the person stated that he had >> spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and >> therefore, no amount of high brow physics from >> people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' >> experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. 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Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Oct 13 16:16:53 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:16:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Damping electronics or Electricity 101 In-Reply-To: References: <200810121003.m9CA1LOM007060@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <48F35855.90909@verizon.net> RICHARD FIne wrote: > > > Hello Ron, > > As an electrician, and yes, and "expert" as the Electrical Contractor > that you spoke to.. it seems your dissagreements with his information > are wrong and misguided. > I would like to know your "expertise" as you speak as an elitist with > your "high brow physics" "theory" and "real world exprience"? > > >From the wording of your statement, you obviously haven't much > experience in the electrical field. > > Your statements: > > "Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any > difference > vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not" > > and > > "230VAC is more stable, more accurate and provided double the power > (all of which are pure > BS" > > > and finally... > > > "Here's the kicker: when confronted with common engineering facts, > the person stated that he had spent his 78 bucks, done the listening > tests and therefore, no amount of high brow physics from people > relying on theory, rather than 'real world' experience ($78 of it), > will change his mind. I gave up as the other guy was still trying to > instill some high school information." > > > A 30A 240v circuit will carry 2 times the "power" as a 30A 120v > circuit...this should be obvious. True, but irrelevant. Of course, a 7200W line provides double the power of a 3600W line. This mean nothing to equipment that never draws more than 3600W. Never mind that even small US houses (115VAC power) have 100A service and most have 200A. > > There are many advantages to using a 240v circuit, mainly, voltage drop. That's not much of an 'advantage'. All relevant equipment has a power transformer. Feeding 230VAC does halve current, but the power transformer internal impedance would be double, so voltage drop should be similar. The difference (if any), is trivial. In addition, all but output stage voltages in power amps would be regulated, making any difference in voltage drop (if any) irrelevant. > This is something easily seen in electric motors that have multi-tap > wiring (can use 120v/240v). When an electrical motor is wired and ran > on a 240v circuit, it will usually run more efficiently as their is > much less voltage drop. But we are not talking about motors. Consider a Nakamichi multi-voltage deck. Running it off either voltage (using correct setting, of course) would make * zero* difference. In power amp stages, there could be a small difference, of no practical importance. For example, say the Gods smiled on you and 230VAC produced a few Watts more of *maximum* power output. This makes a difference only if your amp ever clips. The vast majority do not -- for those, the difference is again, zero. > What I said above, all agrees with the statement: "230VAC is more > stable, more accurate and provided double the power" the statement, is > not "BS", as you claim... Not true. 230VAC can be more efficient. This does *not* make it more stable, or more accurate, or provide double the power. > > The above information also disproves your statement: > "Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any > difference > vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not" That's right, in reality it does not. > > And when the person that you were talking down to, only spent $78 to > get a 240v circuit to feed his audio system, I would say Great deal! I wasn't taking down to anyone, neither am I talking down to you right now. Still, blowing $78 for nothing isn't much of a great deal. > > Your statement of: > > " The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide 230VAC juice to > his amp and reported amazing improvements. The amp, he said, actually > provided more power (!). He also measured voltages within his amp and > found them (marginally) higher, to which he attributed the audible > improvements. > > To me, the persons conversation about gaining more power, higher > measured voltages (less voltage drop) within the amp makes sense. In > audio, a measureable difference can be a huge audio difference.. as so > many audible changes and differences are not measurable. Actually, this is a whole new subject. In any case, I again disagree with you. Any audible difference is measurable, provided it is real. There are many 'audible' differences originating in the listener's mind -- these are not measurable. In this case, the differences heard by the person that blew his 78 bucks were non-existent; therefore, non measurable > > I don't understand you smug and negative comments about the above > conversation... Smug? No. Negative? Absolutely. There are many here that do not claim understanding of the technical aspects of our hobby. We should be careful not to mislead them. > > It looks to me that you spoke out of place I addressed a question. Correctly. > and should study some basic electrical theory. I have. Went beyond the basic, too. > At least don't put people down when you don't know what your talking > about. I do not put anyone one down, Rick, including yourself. And, yes, I do know what I am talking about. I will not respond to this OT thread further. -- Ron > Rick > > > > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:28:10 +0100 > > From: "Graham A Nelson" > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damping electronics > > To: "'Ron'" , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > > Decks'" > > Message-ID: <029d01c92be8$43f2ea50$cbd8bef0$@com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome?! > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at verizon.net] > > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:21 PM > > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics > > > > > > > > > > Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any > > difference -- differences do exist. Just that many > > people, prompted by non audio factors, hear > > differences where physically none exists. > > > > I recently ran into an amusing example on a classic > > audio group. Someone asked whether running > > equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference > > vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not. > > > > Some of the responses were amazing. For example, > > someone that identified himself as an electrical > > contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that > > 230VAC is more stable, more accurate and > > provided double the power (all of which are pure > > BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments. > > Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried > > in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101. > > >The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide > >230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing > >improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided > >more power (!). He also measured voltages within his > >amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which > >he attributed the audible improvements. > > > > > > Here's the kicker: when confronted with common > > engineering facts, the person stated that he had > > spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and > > therefore, no amount of high brow physics from > > people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' > > experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. I > > gave up as the other guy was still trying to instill > > some high school information. > > > > -- Ron > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Mon Oct 13 16:48:13 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:48:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Damping electronics or Electricity 101 References: <200810121003.m9CA1LOM007060@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <002701c92d42$b85bb880$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Maybe the fact that in North America 115v is actual split phase from a 230v leg is what might make a difference. 230 v is one whole phase (albeit 1 of three legs) coming from the generation source. This said, the step up transformer would not be taking advantage of this because it is only stepping-up the already split phase. Just my 2 cents Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: RICHARD FIne To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:28 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re:Damping electronics or Electricity 101 Hello Ron, As an electrician, and yes, and "expert" as the Electrical Contractor that you spoke to.. it seems your dissagreements with his information are wrong and misguided. I would like to know your "expertise" as you speak as an elitist with your "high brow physics" "theory" and "real world exprience"? >From the wording of your statement, you obviously haven't much experience in the electrical field. Your statements: "Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not" and "230VAC is more stable, more accurate and provided double the power (all of which are pure BS" and finally... "Here's the kicker: when confronted with common engineering facts, the person stated that he had spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and therefore, no amount of high brow physics from people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. I gave up as the other guy was still trying to instill some high school information." A 30A 240v circuit will carry 2 times the "power" as a 30A 120v circuit...this should be obvious.. There are many advantages to using a 240v circuit, mainly, voltage drop. This is something easily seen in electric motors that have multi-tap wiring (can use 120v/240v). When an electrical motor is wired and ran on a 240v circuit, it will usually run more efficiently as their is much less voltage drop. What I said above, all agrees with the statement: "230VAC is more stable, more accurate and provided double the power" the statement, is not "BS", as you claim... The above information also disproves your statement: "Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not" And when the person that you were talking down to, only spent $78 to get a 240v circuit to feed his audio system, I would say Great deal! Your statement of: " The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide 230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided more power (!). He also measured voltages within his amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which he attributed the audible improvements. To me, the persons conversation about gaining more power, higher measured voltages (less voltage drop) within the amp makes sense. In audio, a measureable difference can be a huge audio difference.. as so many audible changes and differences are not measurable. I don't understand you smug and negative comments about the above conversation... It looks to me that you spoke out of place and should study some basic electrical theory. At least don't put people down when you don't know what your talking about. Rick > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:28:10 +0100 > From: "Graham A Nelson" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damping electronics > To: "'Ron'" , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks'" > Message-ID: <029d01c92be8$43f2ea50$cbd8bef0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome?! > > > > > > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at verizon.net] > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:21 PM > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics > > > > > Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any > difference -- differences do exist. Just that many > people, prompted by non audio factors, hear > differences where physically none exists. > > I recently ran into an amusing example on a classic > audio group. Someone asked whether running > equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference > vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not. > > Some of the responses were amazing. For example, > someone that identified himself as an electrical > contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that > 230VAC is more stable, more accurate and > provided double the power (all of which are pure > BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments. > Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried > in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101. >The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide >230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing >improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided >more power (!). He also measured voltages within his >amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which >he attributed the audible improvements. > > > Here's the kicker: when confronted with common > engineering facts, the person stated that he had > spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and > therefore, no amount of high brow physics from > people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' > experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. 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URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Mon Oct 13 20:59:28 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:59:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Damping electronics or Electricity 101 In-Reply-To: <002701c92d42$b85bb880$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> References: <200810121003.m9CA1LOM007060@zxe.naks.com> <002701c92d42$b85bb880$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Message-ID: <20081013185929.TTXL4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> There is no 230V in the US households. 220V in the US is two 110V legs180 degrees out of phase. The only place in the US that has 230V is in an industrial setting where there is a three phase service entry. Therefore, 230V is created from two 110V legs that are 120 degrees out of phase. I find this whole banter of 230V vs.110V ridiculous. If there were any merit, then why would an electronics powerhouse country of Japan engineer products running on 230V European 50/60hz to be at their full max fidelity capabilities and then downgrade them to run 110V in the US and some South American countries? Now, please excuse me while I find my green felt pen to paint the edges of my CD's. I hear a rumor (20 years in the making) that they'll sound better. At 10:48 AM 10/13/2008, you wrote: >Maybe the fact that in North America 115v is >actual split phase from a 230v leg is what might >make a difference. 230 v is one whole phase >(albeit 1 of three legs) coming from the >generation source. This said, the step up >transformer would not be taking advantage of >this because it is only stepping-up the already split phase. > >Just my 2 cents >Rainer >----- Original Message ----- >From: RICHARD FIne >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:28 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Re:Damping electronics or Electricity 101 > > > >Hello Ron, > >As an electrician, and yes, and "expert" as the >Electrical Contractor that you spoke to.. it >seems your dissagreements with his information are wrong and misguided. >I would like to know your "expertise" as you >speak as an elitist with your "high brow >physics" "theory" and "real world exprience"? > > >From the wording of your statement, you > obviously haven't much experience in the electrical field. > >Your statements: > > "Someone asked whether running equipment on a > 230VAC line makes any difference >vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not" > >and > >"230VAC is more stable, more accurate and >provided double the power (all of which are pure >BS" > > > and finally... > > >"Here's the kicker: when confronted with >common engineering facts, the person stated >that he had spent his 78 bucks, done the >listening tests and therefore, no amount of high >brow physics from people relying on theory, >rather than 'real world' experience ($78 of it), >will change his mind. I gave up as the other guy >was still trying to instill some high school information." > > >A 30A 240v circuit will carry 2 times the >"power" as a 30A 120v circuit...this should be obvious.. > >There are many advantages to using a 240v circuit, mainly, voltage drop. >This is something easily seen in electric motors >that have multi-tap wiring (can use 120v/240v). >When an electrical motor is wired and ran on a >240v circuit, it will usually run more >efficiently as their is much less voltage drop. >What I said above, all agrees with the >statement: "230VAC is more stable, more accurate >and provided double the power" the statement, is not "BS", as you claim... > >The above information also disproves your statement: > "Someone asked whether running equipment on a > 230VAC line makes any difference >vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not" > >And when the person that you were talking down >to, only spent $78 to get a 240v circuit to feed >his audio system, I would say Great deal! > >Your statement of: > >" The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to >provide 230VAC juice to his amp and reported >amazing improvements. The amp, he said, actually >provided more power (!). He also measured >voltages within his amp and found them >(marginally) higher, to which he attributed the audible improvements. > >To me, the persons conversation about gaining >more power, higher measured voltages (less >voltage drop) within the amp makes sense. In >audio, a measureable difference can be a huge >audio difference.. as so many audible changes >and differences are not measurable. > >I don't understand you smug and negative >comments about the above conversation... > >It looks to me that you spoke out of place and >should study some basic electrical theory. At >least don't put people down when you don't know what your talking about. > > > > >Rick > > > > > > > > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:28:10 +0100 > > From: "Graham A Nelson" > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damping electronics > > To: "'Ron'" , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > > Decks'" > > Message-ID: <029d01c92be8$43f2ea50$cbd8bef0$@com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome?! > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at verizon.net] > > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:21 PM > > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics > > > > > > > > > > Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any > > difference -- differences do exist. Just that many > > people, prompted by non audio factors, hear > > differences where physically none exists. > > > > I recently ran into an amusing example on a classic > > audio group. Someone asked whether running > > equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference > > vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not. > > > > Some of the responses were amazing. For example, > > someone that identified himself as an electrical > > contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that > > 230VAC is more stable, more accurate and > > provided double the power (all of which are pure > > BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments. > > Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried > > in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101. > > >The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide > >230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing > >improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided > >more power (!). He also measured voltages within his > >amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which > >he attributed the audible improvements. > > > > > > Here's the kicker: when confronted with common > > engineering facts, the person stated that he had > > spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and > > therefore, no amount of high brow physics from > > people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' > > experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. 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URL: From tim.skorick at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 21:28:56 2008 From: tim.skorick at gmail.com (Tim Skorick) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:28:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Damping electronics or Electricity 101 In-Reply-To: <20081013185929.TTXL4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> References: <200810121003.m9CA1LOM007060@zxe.naks.com> <002701c92d42$b85bb880$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <20081013185929.TTXL4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <6bddc1110810131228r3f859c87v24a87f7f64fc4ed1@mail.gmail.com> It may not make them sound better (never heard that rumor but "huh?") but a similar tactic was used to defeat Sony's CD copy protection in 2002. -Tim On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Roland wrote: > > Now, please excuse me while I find my green felt pen to paint the edges of > my CD's. I hear a rumor (20 years in the making) that they'll sound better. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wind and Rewind works normally, Electronics appear normal, monitor circuit works normally (able to hear audio-out from audio source being input to the deck) Just curious, can anyone give me an educated guess as to what happened to cause this problem. _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 13 23:51:13 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:51:13 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] A Nice Dragon Fixer-Upper Message-ID: <7765727.1223934673005.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 02:05:36 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A Nice Dragon Fixer-Upper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <293969.75845.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Try holding the non moving capstan and manually give it a spin and power the deck at the same time. Chances are it might just work. Worth a shot and does cost anything. I say this because mine did the same and has been fine since 8 months now after my non technical fix. Good luck. Ram --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Motion Man wrote: From: Motion Man Subject: [naktalk] A Nice Dragon Fixer-Upper To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 3:58 PM #yiv861171404 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv861171404 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} I have a nice Nakamichi Dragon cassette deck advertised on eBay: Item number: 330277906138   It was refurbished by Stephen Sank in 2005.  He also replaced all defective capacitors.     Recently, the transport stopped playing cassettes. Right side capstan spins normally, Left side capstan does not spin, and cassette-tray engages momentarily, then disconnects. This happens in both forward and reverse play. I'm guessing that this a a simple mechanical fix, possibly something as simple as a broken belt.  I just don't feel like finding a qualified repair service and shipping it back and forth before I sell it.  Perhaps this is the perfect Dragon for a knowledgable owner to repair and enjoy. It powers up normally. 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URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Oct 14 02:41:26 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:41:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Damping electronics or Electricity 101 In-Reply-To: <20081013185929.TTXL4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03 .cox.net> References: <200810121003.m9CA1LOM007060@zxe.naks.com> <002701c92d42$b85bb880$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> <20081013185929.TTXL4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <20081014004126.SBNI22786.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Oops, caught my own error. 230V is still available ONLY in an industrial service entry as is 3-phase. Two 110V legs or a three phase gives you 208V, not 230V as I stated. At 02:59 PM 10/13/2008, you wrote: >There is no 230V in the US households. 220V in >the US is two 110V legs180 degrees out of phase. > >The only place in the US that has 230V is in an >industrial setting where there is a three phase >service entry. Therefore, 230V is created from >two 110V legs that are 120 degrees out of phase. > >I find this whole banter of 230V vs.110V ridiculous. > >If there were any merit, then why would an >electronics powerhouse country of Japan engineer >products running on 230V European 50/60hz to be >at their full max fidelity capabilities and then >downgrade them to run 110V in the US and some South American countries? > >Now, please excuse me while I find my green felt >pen to paint the edges of my CD's. I hear a >rumor (20 years in the making) that they'll sound better. > >At 10:48 AM 10/13/2008, you wrote: >>Maybe the fact that in North America 115v is >>actual split phase from a 230v leg is what >>might make a difference. 230 v is one whole >>phase (albeit 1 of three legs) coming from the >>generation source. This said, the step up >>transformer would not be taking advantage of >>this because it is only stepping-up the already split phase. >> >>Just my 2 cents >>Rainer >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: RICHARD FIne >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:28 PM >>Subject: [naktalk] Re:Damping electronics or Electricity 101 >> >> >>Hello Ron, >> >>As an electrician, and yes, and "expert" as the >>Electrical Contractor that you spoke to.. it >>seems your dissagreements with his information are wrong and misguided. >>I would like to know your "expertise" as you >>speak as an elitist with your "high brow >>physics" "theory" and "real world exprience"? >> >> >From the wording of your statement, you >> obviously haven't much experience in the electrical field. >> >>Your statements: >> >> "Someone asked whether running equipment on a >> 230VAC line makes any difference >>vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not" >> >>and >> >>"230VAC is more stable, more accurate and >>provided double the power (all of which are pure >>BS" >> >> >> and finally... >> >>"Here's the kicker: when confronted with >>common engineering facts, the person stated >>that he had spent his 78 bucks, done the >>listening tests and therefore, no amount of >>high brow physics from people relying on >>theory, rather than 'real world' experience >>($78 of it), will change his mind. I gave up as >>the other guy was still trying to instill some high school information." >> >> >>A 30A 240v circuit will carry 2 times the >>"power" as a 30A 120v circuit...this should be obvious.. >> >>There are many advantages to using a 240v circuit, mainly, voltage drop. >>This is something easily seen in electric >>motors that have multi-tap wiring (can use >>120v/240v). When an electrical motor is wired >>and ran on a 240v circuit, it will usually run >>more efficiently as their is much less voltage drop. >>What I said above, all agrees with the >>statement: "230VAC is more stable, more >>accurate and provided double the power" the >>statement, is not "BS", as you claim... >> >>The above information also disproves your statement: >> "Someone asked whether running equipment on a >> 230VAC line makes any difference >>vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not" >> >>And when the person that you were talking down >>to, only spent $78 to get a 240v circuit to >>feed his audio system, I would say Great deal! >> >>Your statement of: >> >>" The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to >>provide 230VAC juice to his amp and reported >>amazing improvements. The amp, he said, >>actually provided more power (!). He also >>measured voltages within his amp and found them >>(marginally) higher, to which he attributed the audible improvements. >> >>To me, the persons conversation about gaining >>more power, higher measured voltages (less >>voltage drop) within the amp makes sense. In >>audio, a measureable difference can be a huge >>audio difference.. as so many audible changes >>and differences are not measurable. >> >>I don't understand you smug and negative >>comments about the above conversation... >> >>It looks to me that you spoke out of place and >>should study some basic electrical theory. At >>least don't put people down when you don't know what your talking about. >> >> >> >> >>Rick >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Message: 4 >> > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:28:10 +0100 >> > From: "Graham A Nelson" >> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damping electronics >> > To: "'Ron'" , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette >> > Decks'" >> > Message-ID: <029d01c92be8$43f2ea50$cbd8bef0$@com> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> > >> > Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome?! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Ron [ mailto:ra.ah at verizon.net] >> > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:21 PM >> > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any >> > difference -- differences do exist. Just that many >> > people, prompted by non audio factors, hear >> > differences where physically none exists. >> > >> > I recently ran into an amusing example on a classic >> > audio group. Someone asked whether running >> > equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference >> > vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not. >> > >> > Some of the responses were amazing. For example, >> > someone that identified himself as an electrical >> > contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that >> > 230VAC is more stable, more accurate and >> > provided double the power (all of which are pure >> > BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments. >> > Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried >> > in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101. >> >The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide >> >230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing >> >improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided >> >more power (!). He also measured voltages within his >> >amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which >> >he attributed the audible improvements. >> > >> > >> > Here's the kicker: when confronted with common >> > engineering facts, the person stated that he had >> > spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and >> > therefore, no amount of high brow physics from >> > people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' >> > experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. I >> > gave up as the other guy was still trying to instill >> > some high school information. >> > >> > -- Ron >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> > URL: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/private/naktalk/attachments/20081011/8158f498/attachment-0001.html >> >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> > >> > End of Naktalk Digest, Vol 68, Issue 9 >> > ************************************** >> >> >>---------- >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >Roland >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mistergrinch at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 05:16:05 2008 From: mistergrinch at gmail.com (mark borrow) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:16:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help Message-ID: <3f4425d00810132016p78f61616ga15ae32ab1d6233d@mail.gmail.com> Hey all - I just received a Nak 581 from someone, as I was needing to archive some old cassette recordings - and I'm having some trouble with it. It was in perfect working order before shipping - so I'm hoping it's an easy fix (I'm pretty handy with electronics - but figured I'd ask here first, since I can't find a service manual). Basically - the motor works fine.. FF/RW work as expected.. but when I press play, the heads move up into position for about 1 second, then return to the stopped position. Any good ideas about where to begin troubleshooting it? Perhaps something is just out of adjustment? Thanks! -mb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 05:38:38 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Phono preamp In-Reply-To: <936234.72845.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <687259.21579.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi guys,   One other phono design that I've come to like is from Jean Hiraga. Deceptively simple and yet very musical. It can be built into a can from Strepsils or Altoids (minus the power supply) and is very quiet!   The HK 11 is indeed a musical performer but has nowhere the low level detail and sound staging of the FM Acoustics. I have yet to hear the Nak 610, but if they are as close sounding as what dear Kermit says, then definitely the FM is way ahead. My comparison was done with a Grado Prestige Gold, a cartridge that has, until now not been my favourite for its lean, forward sound. The soundstage also seemed very closed in.   Putting it into the Citation 11 yielded no improvement except that the midrange opened up slightly but the leanness still remained. Plugging in the FM, was a revelation because it totally tranformed the sound by opening up the soundstage and taking away the coldness and lean sound. In it's place was plenty of detail and speed and a sound that was not at all fatiguing. The FM was run at standard RIAA setting and standard cart loading.   Kermit, any chance of hearing one of your phono stages?   Bala   --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Kermit Gray wrote: From: Kermit Gray Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phono preamp To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 6:32 PM Hi David, May I suggest Erno Borebly's truly excellent solid state phono preamplifier kits? I've personally found these to be among the finest sounding. In fact, they're so good that I cancelled the introduction of my own solid state phono preamplifier, the Type 96EQ, and instead refer people to Erno Borbely's work when I receive a request for a solid state phono preamplifier. http://www.borbelyaudio.com/ products.asp lists his kits. Of course, for valve phono preamplifiers, I'll put my Types 74EQ, 75EQ, 76EQ and 77EQ up against anything without fear of being bested. As for vintage equipment, I have several phono preamplifiers I often recommend to others. My two favorites are my Nakamichi 610 preamplifier and my Harmon-Kardon Citation Eleven. I cannot decide which of the two I prefer, both are so sublime and have an extreme level of clarity without losing musicality. To date, I've yet to find a phono preamplifier that approaches either of these -- including the legendary FM Acoustics products, despite their outstanding technical features. The Citation Eleven and Nakamichi 610 are two of my standards of comparison. To other interesting choices to consider are the oft-maligned Shure M61 and M64 broadcast phono preamplifiers. Okay, at first blush these seem to be garbage, I admit. They're quite correctly criticized for having an irritating grainy-sounding noise floor. I have the M64, and can attest to that. But I discovered that when powered by batteries or by a highly-regulated and well-filtered outboard power supply they're actually quite pleasing sounding. Then change the carbon resistors for metal film capacitors and put in good quality polypropylene capacitors and they come alive, very musical and a bit forward sounding but very involving. The actual circuit design of the Shure is very good, the problem is that Shure "cheaped out" on the power supply and the quality of the other components. On Oct 10, 2008, at 5:24 AM, David Thompson wrote: > Thanks for the comments on phono preamps. > In my research, I found a source of a kit preamp and power supply > based in > Australia that sound good: http://sound.westhost.com/project06.htm > > I missed out on the AV-10 but maybe another time. I keep an eye out > for any > Nak receiver but they are quite rare in Australia and too expensive > from the > USA now that our dollar has dropped drastically in value. > > David > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 05:41:25 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics In-Reply-To: <48EF6B06.5030404@verizon.net> Message-ID: <748942.88549.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron,   Could Denon have shielded the electronics via ground planing, copper bands for the transformers etc? Their reasons for using plastic may be to control chassis resonance.   Bala --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics To: "Tom Brucker" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 10:47 PM Tom, This is another vague 'scientific' explanation for a tweak. On 'the face of it, it's plausible enough, since conductors moving in a magnetic field do, indeed, produce a current. However, bear in mind this is true only for DC fields (AC fields do not need motion to induce current). I invite you to find and measure any DC field in any piece of audio equipment. You'll find that actual level of induced currents for this reason is somewhere between infinitesimal and non-existent. . This is reminiscent of the famous hullabaloo concerning the horrible detrimental effect of eddy currents in metal chassis. Impressive? Yes. Reasonable? No. But manufacturers use myths to further sales and thus, keep those myths alive. I still own a Denon CD player that was seriously more expensive than the lower one in their product line. Denon touted the special reinforced, non- vibrating case! Note that the case was made of plastic and was totally non-magnetic  :-). -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: #yiv1287911454 {font-family:Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;} Graham and all,    When parts wiggle in the presence of a magnetic field, they induce AC voltages. When the distances between parts change, a small capacitance effect is modulating signal currents. I suppose that is technical reason enough. Potting parts helps reduce thermal drift, too.     The Celestion SL7 speaker is a wonderful demonstration piece for isolating parts to improve sound. The SL7 was a good speaker, but Celestion took the same drivers and built the SL-700,  moving the crossover from the "normal" rear position to a bottom mounted position.  The difference in sound was stunning!  Once masking effects of noise and distortion are lowered in Nakamichis these subtle effects might resolve tweaks such as dampening. The odd thing about this BX300 is parts dampened in one channel are not dampened in the other. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Graham A Nelson Sent: Oct 9, 2008 11:03 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics I'm not meaning to doubt you here, Henk, but I am wondering if there is any reputable, non-pseudo scientific evidence that damping electronic components has any real effect, save for reducing strain on weak connections (as with a slightly loose tube or a circuit board with cracks.)  I can understand how good damping can have an effect on anything mechanical, such as with a TT or any moving parts in a cassette deck.  (I am led to understand that some of the old Pioneer range of cassette decks and the Technics, too, achieved some of their better-than-average performance because they reduced the level of vibration that could affect critical mechanics - i.e. by ensuring the tape was 99.9% stable as it passes over the R/P heads.  I gather it was this damping of the mechanics in the Pioneer ST830S and ST740S that helped them produce w/f figures that would be the envy of even the best Nak.)  But silicone or Sorbothane patches on circuit boards, microchips, resistors, transistors, etc ... can it really have a real effect, one that would pass even a DB test? I'm trying to keep an open mind, and maybe I don't understand enough about how electronic components work, but I just don't see any mechanical logic to this provided the device is robustly physically built and all joints correctly soldered.  So, all you techies - what am I missing?  You got a view on this, Ron? .)  So, if you want to hedge your hard won earnings into a good investment (“snigger”) buy it now. -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ScHenk Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Baby ZXL Tom and others, I have repeatedly been surprised by high frequency MOL that BX-300 is capable of. Clearly better than most (if not all) classic Naks. Together with the exceptional good tapespeed stability this deck sports the utmost in cassette technology. But electronics are mediocre at best. Recording Bias etc I would not know, but replacing audiosignal electronics with tubes would be my first guess to maximize sound performance. Damping electronics with silicone glue is frequently done and helps reducing upper frequency distorsions by reducing ringing from low level microphonic effects.  And may have benificial effects on the BX300 (no pun from me here). Happy listening, Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >From: Tom Brucker >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 gear drive version,  notes >To: "naktalk at naks.com" > >I am curious about what appears to be a revised BX300 #48150. This deck has >gear drive. Many of the parts have puddles of clear glue around certain areas, >primarily enclosing small electrolytic caps. I find an odd lack of symmetry, >so I don't believe the glue has an audible purpose, but this is the first >I've seen so I'm posting it for discussion. >    BTW, this deck was -2dB @ 15kHz with 0Vu in!  Not quite a ZXL, but certainly >worthy. The BX 300 is a baby ZXL! > >tom brucker > >Hi Tech Service >2934 Nolensville Rd. >Nashville, TN 37211 >hitech77 at earthlink.net        ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------=========Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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In-Reply-To: <936234.72845.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <717338.75020.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> An interesting article about the volitility of the analogue medium. http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20081013/ap_on_hi_te/tec_analog_s_twilight     -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Tue Oct 14 08:36:52 2008 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:36:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] How can my 1st post and someone's 1st answer to my post be in same issue? In-Reply-To: <947FR7mOu000db700@bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com> References: <947FR7mOu000db700@bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, I responded to a post from Vol 68, Issue 9. My post was printed in Vol 68, Issue 10...along with a response response to my post! How can that be? How can others view posts and respond before the next "issue" is even sent out? Is there a "special" list that some people are on, that they can see posts as they come in? What is going on? Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 09:00:56 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help In-Reply-To: <3f4425d00810132016p78f61616ga15ae32ab1d6233d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <86489.9383.qm@web30202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi,   Please check the capstan belt - it is located behind the cassette transport mechanism and goes around the drive motor and two flywheels. Without the pinch rollers rotating, the tape would not move. That causes the take up spindle, and motion sensor to remain stationery thus cutting off the play mode in about a second or so.   Cheers --- On Tue, 10/14/08, mark borrow wrote: From: mark borrow Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 11:16 AM Hey all - I just received a Nak 581 from someone, as I was needing to archive some old cassette recordings - and I'm having some trouble with it. It was in perfect working order before shipping - so I'm hoping it's an easy fix (I'm pretty handy with electronics - but figured I'd ask here first, since I can't find a service manual). Basically - the motor works fine.. FF/RW work as expected.. but when I press play, the heads move up into position for about 1 second, then return to the stopped position.  Any good ideas about where to begin troubleshooting it?  Perhaps something is just out of adjustment? Thanks! -mb ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Tue Oct 14 06:56:34 2008 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:56:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re:Damping electronics or Electricity 101 In-Reply-To: <200810131000.m9DA0aB4005572@zxe.naks.com> References: <200810131000.m9DA0aB4005572@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I really wish people would not express opinions about electricity unless they really knew what they were talking about. This is a very serious and dangerous "proffession". I don't know where you came up with the European power.. but, it does not matter, as watts are watts. And I also was not referring to any transformer hook-up. My post was bare and simple... a 120V line vrs 240V line It is very easy to show how wrong you both are just with a simple electrical equation for Voltage Drop and as a bonus, I will throw in another for heat loss. Heat loss is what happens when there is resisitance to the current.. the wire acts in a way, as a heating element does, and there is a transfer of energy from the amount that is being passed through the wires, this is a loss. Here is a formula for Voltage drop: *The distance from the Service to the load is 150' *The power needed from the circuit is 2400 watts (which would be 10A @ 240V or 20A @ 120V) *Example uses #12 copper (Cm for copper, found in tables of NEC, is 6530) Vd=Voltage drop I=current or amps L=one way length of conductor Cm=Cross sectional area of conductor (Circular mils) K=Resistance in Ohms (constant number, which for copper is 12.9) Voltage drop formula: (First, will use formula for 240V circuit @ 10A) Vd=2K x L x I/Cm Vd=2(12.9) x 150' x 10A/6530= 6V 6V in Vd would be about 5% Vd...which is borderline, and just used as an example.. I would never use wire in a circuit about 3% (Now, same formula, but using the 120V circuit @ 20A (same power as the 240V @ 10A, above) Vd=2(12.9) x 150' x 20A/6530= 11.9V 11.9V in Vd would be 10% Voltage drop, which is very very unacceptable! Now, on top of the Voltage drop problems when designing circuits, you also have Heat losses that rob a circuit of it's total power. When current runs through a wire, there is resistance to the current flow, which causes an energy exchange in heat loss, much like a heating element. R=Resistance of the wire (#12 copper is .002 Ohm per foot, which is 150' and back to service, or 300' total) I=Current or Amps P=Power or Watts Formula for Heat loss: P=R x I(squared) So, using our 2 Voltage drop examples on top, lets see the difference between the 240V circuit, and the 120V circuit. First the 240V: P=(.002 x 300') x (10A)squared P=.6 x 100= 60 Watts With the 240V circuit, there were 60 Watts in heat loss. That is considerable... Now, the 120V circuit @ 20A P=(.002 x 300') x (20A)squared P=.6 x 400=240 Watts in heat losses! This does not take into acount the different problems involving Eddy currents, reactance, multi-order harmonics etc. etc. 240V circuits by far, compared to the 120V, are the "most accurate" and obviously "more stable". Volts are Volts, Watts are Watts no matter if your in Europe, or the US. Your statement: "Depending on the areas, your electric co. may state a line reguation between 3% and 10%." Is quite unbelievable! I could never imagine that kind of fuctuation in power.. that would cause big big problems... it would burn up motors, as a 5% drop in Voltage will ruin many many motors. If your area's (country) power is allowed to fluctuate that much, I feel for you, as your country does a very very poor job of regulating power. Well.. I guess I said enough... I hope I explained this enough so that everyone can understand... I take Electrical design very serious, and I really really have a problem when people who don't know what they are talking about, spread misinformation... please.. learn before you speak.. it might save a life. Rick > > Message: 7> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:05:08 +0200> From: Luis Peromarta > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Damping electronics or Electricity 101> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <3CA2C835-48E1-4B12-B080-BAEB28F77B8D at peromarta.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed;> delsp=yes> > Hi Richard et all.> > I have to jump in here ...> > Are we comparing European 230V network with US 115V network? Or are we > comparing 115V equipment connected to US 115V line to 230V gear > connected to 115V US line trough a $78 step-up transformer?> > If talking about the first question, Europe decided to use 230V line > voltage long ago (actually, 220 in continental europe and 240 in GB > but we all moved to 230V some time ago) to minimize line looses. Line > regulation (I guess that's what you call voltage drop, but this is a > consecuence of poor line regulation) is about the same at 115 and 230 > lines, and it's measured in %. Depending on the areas, your electric > co. may state a line reguation between 3% and 10%. 230 lines are > neither more stable nor more accurate. They certainly do not carry > twice the power. Their power rating depends on how they were designed.> > Now, connecting a step up transformer from 115 to 230 and run > equipment from there is really a nonsense, as it certainly does have > any impact on line regulation (Sorry Ron), but for the worse, more > noticeable in the case of variable loads, like a power amplifier, > because the transformer is a serial load.> > By the way, not considering the actual losses in the transformer, the > power on the 230V tap is not bigger than from the 115 socket. It's the > same, and depends on the rating of the fuse you may have upstream or > the actual power rating of the transformer, whichever is smaller.> > My 2c. LP.> > > > El 13/10/2008, a las 7:28, RICHARD FIne escribió:> > > > Hello Ron,> > As an electrician, and yes, and "expert" as the Electrical Contractor > that you spoke to.. it seems your dissagreements with his information > are wrong and misguided.> I would like to know your "expertise" as you speak as an elitist with > your "high brow physics" "theory" and "real world exprience"?> > >From the wording of your statement, you obviously haven't much > experience in the electrical field.> > Your statements:> > "Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any > difference> vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not"> > and> > "230VAC is more stable, more accurate and provided double the power > (all of which are pure> BS"> > > and finally...> > > "Here's the kicker: when confronted with common engineering facts, > the person stated that he had spent his 78 bucks, done the listening > tests and therefore, no amount of high brow physics from people > relying on theory, rather than 'real world' experience ($78 of it), > will change his mind. I gave up as the other guy was still trying to > instill some high school information."> > > A 30A 240v circuit will carry 2 times the "power" as a 30A 120v > circuit...this should be obvious..> > There are many advantages to using a 240v circuit, mainly, voltage drop.> This is something easily seen in electric motors that have multi-tap > wiring (can use 120v/240v). When an electrical motor is wired and ran > on a 240v circuit, it will usually run more efficiently as their is > much less voltage drop.> What I said above, all agrees with the statement: "230VAC is more > stable, more accurate and provided double the power" the statement, is > not "BS", as you claim...> > The above information also disproves your statement:> "Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any > difference> vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not"> > And when the person that you were talking down to, only spent $78 to > get a 240v circuit to feed his audio system, I would say Great deal!> > Your statement of:> > " The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide 230VAC juice to > his amp and reported amazing improvements. The amp, he said, actually > provided more power (!). He also measured voltages within his amp and > found them (marginally) higher, to which he attributed the audible > improvements.> > To me, the persons conversation about gaining more power, higher > measured voltages (less voltage drop) within the amp makes sense. In > audio, a measureable difference can be a huge audio difference.. as so > many audible changes and differences are not measurable.> > I don't understand you smug and negative comments about the above > conversation...> > It looks to me that you spoke out of place and should study some basic > electrical theory. At least don't put people down when you don't know > what your talking about.> > > > > Rick> > > > > Message: 4> > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:28:10 +0100> > From: "Graham A Nelson" > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damping electronics> > To: "'Ron'" , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette> > Decks'" > > Message-ID: <029d01c92be8$43f2ea50$cbd8bef0$@com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> >> > Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome?!> >> >> >> >> >> > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at verizon.net]> > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:21 PM> > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics> >> >> >> >> > Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any> > difference -- differences do exist. Just that many> > people, prompted by non audio factors, hear> > differences where physically none exists.> >> > I recently ran into an amusing example on a classic> > audio group. Someone asked whether running> > equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference> > vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not.> >> > Some of the responses were amazing. For example,> > someone that identified himself as an electrical> > contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that> > 230VAC is more stable, more accurate and> > provided double the power (all of which are pure> > BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments.> > Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried> > in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101.> > >The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide> >230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing> >improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided> >more power (!). He also measured voltages within his> >amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which> >he attributed the audible improvements.> >> >> > Here's the kicker: when confronted with common> > engineering facts, the person stated that he had> > spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and> > therefore, no amount of high brow physics from> > people relying on theory, rather than 'real world'> > experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. I> > gave up as the other guy was still trying to instill> > some high school information.> >> > -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Tue Oct 14 07:26:26 2008 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:26:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Damping electronics or Electricity 101 In-Reply-To: <200810131000.m9DA0aB4005572@zxe.naks.com> References: <200810131000.m9DA0aB4005572@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Lp, I forgot to comment on a couple of statements that you made: " Line regulation (I guess that's what you call voltage drop, but this is a consecuence of poor line regulation) is about the same at 115 and 230 lines, and it's measured in %." It is True, that Voltage drop is measured in %, and V, but..... As you can see below from my previous post, Voltage drop is twice as high in 120V circuit as compared to 240V. Plus, when you add the heat losses, the 120V circuit has now lost considerable opportunity for load. "230 lines are neither more stable nor more accurate. They certainly do not carry twice the power. Their power rating depends on how they were designed" In my previous post below, I already showed/explained that 240V circuits are most certainly "more stable" and "more accurate". But, I forgot to add that YES, 240V circuits care at least twice the power as 120V circuits. The example is used below makes that so obvious: Both were 20A circuits, both used the same size #12 Cu wire. The 120V circuit had to carry it's maximium (not code though, may I add) rated 20A to supply the needed 2400 Watts.. which in reality, it would not be able to do because of the 240 Watt Heat losses and other losses involved as stated in the post below. In comparison, the 240V circuit only needed half the rated circuit amperage of 10A to supply the needed 2400 watts.. which it could do in full force, as even though it suffered (small in comparison to the 120V circuit) Heat losses of 60 Watts, it still had TWICE the rated amperage of the 120V circuit. Again, I hope that I explained this clearly enough so everyone can understand. Now, do you understand why there are electricians and why Electrical licensing and code enforcement is so important? Rick From: rich_121 at msn.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: Re:Damping electronics or Electricity 101Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:56:34 -0700 I really wish people would not express opinions about electricity unless they really knew what they were talking about. This is a very serious and dangerous "proffession". I don't know where you came up with the European power.. but, it does not matter, as watts are watts. And I also was not referring to any transformer hook-up. My post was bare and simple... a 120V line vrs 240V line It is very easy to show how wrong you both are just with a simple electrical equation for Voltage Drop and as a bonus, I will throw in another for heat loss.Heat loss is what happens when there is resisitance to the current.. the wire acts in a way, as a heating element does, and there is a transfer of energy from the amount that is being passed through the wires, this is a loss. Here is a formula for Voltage drop: *The distance from the Service to the load is 150' *The power needed from the circuit is 2400 watts (which would be 10A @ 240V or 20A @ 120V) *Example uses #12 copper (Cm for copper, found in tables of NEC, is 6530) Vd=Voltage drop I=current or amps L=one way length of conductor Cm=Cross sectional area of conductor (Circular mils) K=Resistance in Ohms (constant number, which for copper is 12.9) Voltage drop formula: (First, will use formula for 240V circuit @ 10A) Vd=2K x L x I/Cm Vd=2(12.9) x 150' x 10A/6530= 6V 6V in Vd would be about 5% Vd...which is borderline, and just used as an example.. I would never use wire in a circuit about 3% (Now, same formula, but using the 120V circuit @ 20A (same power as the 240V @ 10A, above) Vd=2(12.9) x 150' x 20A/6530= 11.9V 11.9V in Vd would be 10% Voltage drop, which is very very unacceptable! Now, on top of the Voltage drop problems when designing circuits, you also have Heat losses that rob a circuit of it's total power. When current runs through a wire, there is resistance to the current flow, which causes an energy exchange in heat loss, much like a heating element. R=Resistance of the wire (#12 copper is .002 Ohm per foot, which is 150' and back to service, or 300' total) I=Current or Amps P=Power or Watts Formula for Heat loss: P=R x I(squared) So, using our 2 Voltage drop examples on top, lets see the difference between the 240V circuit, and the 120V circuit. First the 240V: P=(.002 x 300') x (10A)squared P=.6 x 100= 60 Watts With the 240V circuit, there were 60 Watts in heat loss. That is considerable... Now, the 120V circuit @ 20A P=(.002 x 300') x (20A)squared P=.6 x 400=240 Watts in heat losses! This does not take into acount the different problems involving Eddy currents, reactance, multi-order harmonics etc. etc. 240V circuits by far, compared to the 120V, are the "most accurate" and obviously "more stable". Volts are Volts, Watts are Watts no matter if your in Europe, or the US. Your statement: "Depending on the areas, your electric co. may state a line reguation between 3% and 10%." Is quite unbelievable! I could never imagine that kind of fuctuation in power.. that would cause big big problems... it would burn up motors, as a 5% drop in Voltage will ruin many many motors.If your area's (country) power is allowed to fluctuate that much, I feel for you, as your country does a very very poor job of regulating power. Well.. I guess I said enough... I hope I explained this enough so that everyone can understand... I take Electrical design very serious, and I really really have a problem when people who don't know what they are talking about, spread misinformation... please.. learn before you speak..it might save a life. Rick > > Message: 7> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:05:08 +0200> From: Luis Peromarta > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Damping electronics or Electricity 101> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <3CA2C835-48E1-4B12-B080-BAEB28F77B8D at peromarta.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed;> delsp=yes> > Hi Richard et all.> > I have to jump in here ...> > Are we comparing European 230V network with US 115V network? Or are we > comparing 115V equipment connected to US 115V line to 230V gear > connected to 115V US line trough a $78 step-up transformer?> > If talking about the first question, Europe decided to use 230V line > voltage long ago (actually, 220 in continental europe and 240 in GB > but we all moved to 230V some time ago) to minimize line looses. Line > regulation (I guess that's what you call voltage drop, but this is a > consecuence of poor line regulation) is about the same at 115 and 230 > lines, and it's measured in %. Depending on the areas, your electric > co. may state a line reguation between 3% and 10%. 230 lines are > neither more stable nor more accurate. They certainly do not carry > twice the power. Their power rating depends on how they were designed.> > Now, connecting a step up transformer from 115 to 230 and run > equipment from there is really a nonsense, as it certainly does have > any impact on line regulation (Sorry Ron), but for the worse, more > noticeable in the case of variable loads, like a power amplifier, > because the transformer is a serial load.> > By the way, not considering the actual losses in the transformer, the > power on the 230V tap is not bigger than from the 115 socket. It's the > same, and depends on the rating of the fuse you may have upstream or > the actual power rating of the transformer, whichever is smaller.> > My 2c. LP.> > > > El 13/10/2008, a las 7:28, RICHARD FIne escribió:> > > > Hello Ron,> > As an electrician, and yes, and "expert" as the Electrical Contractor > that you spoke to.. it seems your dissagreements with his information > are wrong and misguided.> I would like to know your "expertise" as you speak as an elitist with > your "high brow physics" "theory" and "real world exprience"?> > >From the wording of your statement, you obviously haven't much > experience in the electrical field.> > Your statements:> > "Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any > difference> vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not"> > and> > "230VAC is more stable, more accurate and provided double the power > (all of which are pure> BS"> > > and finally...> > > "Here's the kicker: when confronted with common engineering facts, > the person stated that he had spent his 78 bucks, done the listening > tests and therefore, no amount of high brow physics from people > relying on theory, rather than 'real world' experience ($78 of it), > will change his mind. I gave up as the other guy was still trying to > instill some high school information."> > > A 30A 240v circuit will carry 2 times the "power" as a 30A 120v > circuit...this should be obvious..> > There are many advantages to using a 240v circuit, mainly, voltage drop.> This is something easily seen in electric motors that have multi-tap > wiring (can use 120v/240v). When an electrical motor is wired and ran > on a 240v circuit, it will usually run more efficiently as their is > much less voltage drop.> What I said above, all agrees with the statement: "230VAC is more > stable, more accurate and provided double the power" the statement, is > not "BS", as you claim...> > The above information also disproves your statement:> "Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any > difference> vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not"> > And when the person that you were talking down to, only spent $78 to > get a 240v circuit to feed his audio system, I would say Great deal!> > Your statement of:> > " The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide 230VAC juice to > his amp and reported amazing improvements. The amp, he said, actually > provided more power (!). He also measured voltages within his amp and > found them (marginally) higher, to which he attributed the audible > improvements.> > To me, the persons conversation about gaining more power, higher > measured voltages (less voltage drop) within the amp makes sense. In > audio, a measureable difference can be a huge audio difference.. as so > many audible changes and differences are not measurable.> > I don't understand you smug and negative comments about the above > conversation...> > It looks to me that you spoke out of place and should study some basic > electrical theory. At least don't put people down when you don't know > what your talking about.> > > > > Rick> > > > > Message: 4> > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:28:10 +0100> > From: "Graham A Nelson" > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damping electronics> > To: "'Ron'" , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette> > Decks'" > > Message-ID: <029d01c92be8$43f2ea50$cbd8bef0$@com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"> >> > Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome?!> >> >> >> >> >> > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at verizon.net]> > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:21 PM> > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics> >> >> >> >> > Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any> > difference -- differences do exist. Just that many> > people, prompted by non audio factors, hear> > differences where physically none exists.> >> > I recently ran into an amusing example on a classic> > audio group. Someone asked whether running> > equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference> > vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not.> >> > Some of the responses were amazing. For example,> > someone that identified himself as an electrical> > contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that> > 230VAC is more stable, more accurate and> > provided double the power (all of which are pure> > BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments.> > Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried> > in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101.> > >The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide> >230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing> >improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided> >more power (!). He also measured voltages within his> >amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which> >he attributed the audible improvements.> >> >> > Here's the kicker: when confronted with common> > engineering facts, the person stated that he had> > spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and> > therefore, no amount of high brow physics from> > people relying on theory, rather than 'real world'> > experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. I> > gave up as the other guy was still trying to instill> > some high school information.> >> > -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich_121 at msn.com Tue Oct 14 09:21:20 2008 From: rich_121 at msn.com (RICHARD FIne) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:21:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: How can my 1st post and someone's 1st answer to my post be in same issue? In-Reply-To: <947FR7mOu000db700@bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com> References: <947FR7mOu000db700@bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com> Message-ID: hm.. I'm feeling somewhat embarrassed, after all the time I have been a member here, and on other forums that use the same software... I just remembered that there are 2 choices in how to recieve posts.. either in groups (mine) or individually... I hope I can head this one off before I look too silly... he he he :^) Rick From: rich_121 at msn.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: How can my 1st post and someone's 1st answer to my post be in same issue?Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:36:52 -0700 Hello, I responded to a post from Vol 68, Issue 9. My post was printed in Vol 68, Issue 10...along with a response response to my post! How can that be? How can others view posts and respond before the next "issue" is even sent out? Is there a "special" list that some people are on, that they can see posts as they come in? What is going on? Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Oct 14 09:47:49 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:47:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Damping electronics or Electricity 101 In-Reply-To: References: <200810131000.m9DA0aB4005572@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <337F9268-FFC0-47CB-9B11-888330114347@peromarta.org> Rick, I really do not have time o argue about this off-topic nonsense, so this would be my last post in this thread. Your calculations are fine, excep that wiring for a 240V and 115V are not the same. 115 wires are thicker, so less resistance, so same line regulation. So all your conclusions are incorrect. If I had an electrician installing a #12 cu wiring for a 115V 2400W load 150' away, I would inmediately fire him. Regarding regulation, in highly new-developed areas, could be as low as 2%, but you may want to travel around the globe to see poor line regulation of 10% or worse (Thankfully not my case :) ). Lucky you. I am sure we all appreciate your inputs, and certainly your Electrical Licensing, knowledge of the code and hability with V, i and R calculations are really very impressive. I, like others in the group, may hold much higer degrees, and probably have a much deeper knowledge and understanding of what's going on, so your despective comments are really annoying. With best rgds, LP. El 14/10/2008, a las 7:26, RICHARD FIne escribió: Lp, I forgot to comment on a couple of statements that you made: " Line regulation (I guess that's what you call voltage drop, but this is a consecuence of poor line regulation) is about the same at 115 and 230 lines, and it's measured in %." It is True, that Voltage drop is measured in %, and V, but..... As you can see below from my previous post, Voltage drop is twice as high in 120V circuit as compared to 240V. Plus, when you add the heat losses, the 120V circuit has now lost considerable opportunity for load. "230 lines are neither more stable nor more accurate. They certainly do not carry twice the power. Their power rating depends on how they were designed" In my previous post below, I already showed/explained that 240V circuits are most certainly "more stable" and "more accurate". But, I forgot to add that YES, 240V circuits care at least twice the power as 120V circuits. The example is used below makes that so obvious: Both were 20A circuits, both used the same size #12 Cu wire. The 120V circuit had to carry it's maximium (not code though, may I add) rated 20A to supply the needed 2400 Watts.. which in reality, it would not be able to do because of the 240 Watt Heat losses and other losses involved as stated in the post below. In comparison, the 240V circuit only needed half the rated circuit amperage of 10A to supply the needed 2400 watts.. which it could do in full force, as even though it suffered (small in comparison to the 120V circuit) Heat losses of 60 Watts, it still had TWICE the rated amperage of the 120V circuit. Again, I hope that I explained this clearly enough so everyone can understand. Now, do you understand why there are electricians and why Electrical licensing and code enforcement is so important? Rick From: rich_121 at msn.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re:Damping electronics or Electricity 101 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:56:34 -0700 I really wish people would not express opinions about electricity unless they really knew what they were talking about. This is a very serious and dangerous "proffession". I don't know where you came up with the European power.. but, it does not matter, as watts are watts. And I also was not referring to any transformer hook-up. My post was bare and simple... a 120V line vrs 240V line It is very easy to show how wrong you both are just with a simple electrical equation for Voltage Drop and as a bonus, I will throw in another for heat loss. Heat loss is what happens when there is resisitance to the current.. the wire acts in a way, as a heating element does, and there is a transfer of energy from the amount that is being passed through the wires, this is a loss. Here is a formula for Voltage drop: *The distance from the Service to the load is 150' *The power needed from the circuit is 2400 watts (which would be 10A @ 240V or 20A @ 120V) *Example uses #12 copper (Cm for copper, found in tables of NEC, is 6530) Vd=Voltage drop I=current or amps L=one way length of conductor Cm=Cross sectional area of conductor (Circular mils) K=Resistance in Ohms (constant number, which for copper is 12.9) Voltage drop formula: (First, will use formula for 240V circuit @ 10A) Vd=2K x L x I/Cm Vd=2(12.9) x 150' x 10A/6530= 6V 6V in Vd would be about 5% Vd...which is borderline, and just used as an example.. I would never use wire in a circuit about 3% (Now, same formula, but using the 120V circuit @ 20A (same power as the 240V @ 10A, above) Vd=2(12.9) x 150' x 20A/6530= 11.9V 11.9V in Vd would be 10% Voltage drop, which is very very unacceptable! Now, on top of the Voltage drop problems when designing circuits, you also have Heat losses that rob a circuit of it's total power. When current runs through a wire, there is resistance to the current flow, which causes an energy exchange in heat loss, much like a heating element. R=Resistance of the wire (#12 copper is .002 Ohm per foot, which is 150' and back to service, or 300' total) I=Current or Amps P=Power or Watts Formula for Heat loss: P=R x I(squared) So, using our 2 Voltage drop examples on top, lets see the difference between the 240V circuit, and the 120V circuit. First the 240V: P=(.002 x 300') x (10A)squared P=.6 x 100= 60 Watts With the 240V circuit, there were 60 Watts in heat loss. That is considerable... Now, the 120V circuit @ 20A P=(.002 x 300') x (20A)squared P=.6 x 400=240 Watts in heat losses! This does not take into acount the different problems involving Eddy currents, reactance, multi-order harmonics etc. etc. 240V circuits by far, compared to the 120V, are the "most accurate" and obviously "more stable". Volts are Volts, Watts are Watts no matter if your in Europe, or the US. Your statement: "Depending on the areas, your electric co. may state a line reguation between 3% and 10%." Is quite unbelievable! I could never imagine that kind of fuctuation in power.. that would cause big big problems... it would burn up motors, as a 5% drop in Voltage will ruin many many motors. If your area's (country) power is allowed to fluctuate that much, I feel for you, as your country does a very very poor job of regulating power. Well.. I guess I said enough... I hope I explained this enough so that everyone can understand... I take Electrical design very serious, and I really really have a problem when people who don't know what they are talking about, spread misinformation... please.. learn before you speak.. it might save a life. Rick > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:05:08 +0200 > From: Luis Peromarta > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re:Damping electronics or Electricity 101 > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: <3CA2C835-48E1-4B12-B080-BAEB28F77B8D at peromarta.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > Hi Richard et all. > > I have to jump in here ... > > Are we comparing European 230V network with US 115V network? Or are we > comparing 115V equipment connected to US 115V line to 230V gear > connected to 115V US line trough a $78 step-up transformer? > > If talking about the first question, Europe decided to use 230V line > voltage long ago (actually, 220 in continental europe and 240 in GB > but we all moved to 230V some time ago) to minimize line looses. Line > regulation (I guess that's what you call voltage drop, but this is a > consecuence of poor line regulation) is about the same at 115 and 230 > lines, and it's measured in %. Depending on the areas, your electric > co. may state a line reguation between 3% and 10%. 230 lines are > neither more stable nor more accurate. They certainly do not carry > twice the power. Their power rating depends on how they were designed. > > Now, connecting a step up transformer from 115 to 230 and run > equipment from there is really a nonsense, as it certainly does have > any impact on line regulation (Sorry Ron), but for the worse, more > noticeable in the case of variable loads, like a power amplifier, > because the transformer is a serial load. > > By the way, not considering the actual losses in the transformer, the > power on the 230V tap is not bigger than from the 115 socket. It's the > same, and depends on the rating of the fuse you may have upstream or > the actual power rating of the transformer, whichever is smaller. > > My 2c. LP. > > > > El 13/10/2008, a las 7:28, RICHARD FIne escribió: > > > > Hello Ron, > > As an electrician, and yes, and "expert" as the Electrical Contractor > that you spoke to.. it seems your dissagreements with his information > are wrong and misguided. > I would like to know your "expertise" as you speak as an elitist with > your "high brow physics" "theory" and "real world exprience"? > > >From the wording of your statement, you obviously haven't much > experience in the electrical field. > > Your statements: > > "Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any > difference > vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not" > > and > > "230VAC is more stable, more accurate and provided double the power > (all of which are pure > BS" > > > and finally... > > > "Here's the kicker: when confronted with common engineering facts, > the person stated that he had spent his 78 bucks, done the listening > tests and therefore, no amount of high brow physics from people > relying on theory, rather than 'real world' experience ($78 of it), > will change his mind. I gave up as the other guy was still trying to > instill some high school information." > > > A 30A 240v circuit will carry 2 times the "power" as a 30A 120v > circuit...this should be obvious.. > > There are many advantages to using a 240v circuit, mainly, voltage drop. > This is something easily seen in electric motors that have multi-tap > wiring (can use 120v/240v). When an electrical motor is wired and ran > on a 240v circuit, it will usually run more efficiently as their is > much less voltage drop. > What I said above, all agrees with the statement: "230VAC is more > stable, more accurate and provided double the power" the statement, is > not "BS", as you claim... > > The above information also disproves your statement: > "Someone asked whether running equipment on a 230VAC line makes any > difference > vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not" > > And when the person that you were talking down to, only spent $78 to > get a 240v circuit to feed his audio system, I would say Great deal! > > Your statement of: > > " The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide 230VAC juice to > his amp and reported amazing improvements. The amp, he said, actually > provided more power (!). He also measured voltages within his amp and > found them (marginally) higher, to which he attributed the audible > improvements. > > To me, the persons conversation about gaining more power, higher > measured voltages (less voltage drop) within the amp makes sense. In > audio, a measureable difference can be a huge audio difference.. as so > many audible changes and differences are not measurable. > > I don't understand you smug and negative comments about the above > conversation... > > It looks to me that you spoke out of place and should study some basic > electrical theory. At least don't put people down when you don't know > what your talking about. > > > > > Rick > > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:28:10 +0100 > > From: "Graham A Nelson" > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Damping electronics > > To: "'Ron'" , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > > Decks'" > > Message-ID: <029d01c92be8$43f2ea50$cbd8bef0$@com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Emperor’s New Clothes Syndrome?! > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at verizon.net] > > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:21 PM > > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics > > > > > > > > > > Just to clarify, I was not saying nothing makes any > > difference -- differences do exist. Just that many > > people, prompted by non audio factors, hear > > differences where physically none exists. > > > > I recently ran into an amusing example on a classic > > audio group. Someone asked whether running > > equipment on a 230VAC line makes any difference > > vs. a 115VAC line. In reality, it does not. > > > > Some of the responses were amazing. For example, > > someone that identified himself as an electrical > > contractor (therefore, an 'expert') stated that > > 230VAC is more stable, more accurate and > > provided double the power (all of which are pure > > BS). Many others chimed in with similar sentiments. > > Only two (your guess who one of those was) tried > > in vain to provide answers based on Electricity 101. > > >The upshot was that the fellow spent $78 to provide > >230VAC juice to his amp and reported amazing > >improvements. The amp, he said, actually provided > >more power (!). He also measured voltages within his > >amp and found them (marginally) higher, to which > >he attributed the audible improvements. > > > > > > Here's the kicker: when confronted with common > > engineering facts, the person stated that he had > > spent his 78 bucks, done the listening tests and > > therefore, no amount of high brow physics from > > people relying on theory, rather than 'real world' > > experience ($78 of it), will change his mind. I > > gave up as the other guy was still trying to instill > > some high school information. > > > > -- Ron ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Tue Oct 14 13:26:15 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:26:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <200810141005.m9EA1Eup008315@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <48C699C400020F00@mail-5-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Mark, Possibly the light bulp in the auto stop assembly is at fault here. Happens frequently. Remove the front and at the right of the cassette compartment sits a little PCB with nothing much then this bulp. This PCB is skewed and akwardly placed in a slotted opening. A bit of a hassle to dismantle. If this bulp is dead , this should be the cause of the problem. This bulp must be on at all times. (OK , not when the 581 is switched off.....) Good luck Henk Schenk Netherlands www.nakamichi-schenk.nl From: "mark borrow" Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <3f4425d00810132016p78f61616ga15ae32ab1d6233d at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey all - I just received a Nak 581 from someone, as I was needing to archive some old cassette recordings - and I'm having some trouble with it. It was in perfect working order before shipping - so I'm hoping it's an easy fix (I'm pretty handy with electronics - but figured I'd ask here first, since I can't find a service manual). Basically - the motor works fine.. FF/RW work as expected.. but when I press play, the heads move up into position for about 1 second, then return to the stopped position. Any good ideas about where to begin troubleshooting it? Perhaps something is just out of adjustment? Thanks! -mb From ra.ah at verizon.net Tue Oct 14 15:10:46 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:10:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics In-Reply-To: <748942.88549.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <748942.88549.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F49A56.2060504@verizon.net> Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Ron, > > Could Denon have shielded the electronics via ground planing, copper > bands for the transformers etc? Their reasons for using plastic may be > to control chassis resonance. > That's what they said. So, how would that affect sonics? -- Ron > > Bala > > --- On *Fri, 10/10/08, Ron //* wrote: > > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Damping electronics > To: "Tom Brucker" , "Talk about Nakamichi > Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 10:47 PM > > > Tom, > > This is another vague 'scientific' explanation for a tweak. > On 'the face of it, it's plausible enough, since conductors > moving in a magnetic field do, indeed, produce a current. > However, bear in mind this is true only for DC fields (AC > fields do not need motion to induce current). I invite you to > find and measure any DC field in any piece of audio > equipment. You'll find that actual level of induced currents > for this reason is somewhere between infinitesimal and > non-existent. . > > This is reminiscent of the famous hullabaloo concerning > the horrible detrimental effect of eddy currents in metal > chassis. Impressive? Yes. Reasonable? No. But > manufacturers use myths to further sales and thus, > keep those myths alive. I still own a Denon CD player that > was seriously more expensive than the lower one in their > product line. Denon touted the special reinforced, non- > vibrating case! Note that the case was made of plastic and > was totally non-magnetic :-). > > -- Ron > > > > > > Tom Brucker wrote: >> Graham and all, >> When parts wiggle in the presence of a magnetic field, they >> induce AC voltages. When the distances between parts change, a >> small capacitance effect is modulating signal currents. I suppose >> that is technical reason enough. Potting parts helps reduce >> thermal drift, too. >> The Celestion SL7 speaker is a wonderful demonstration piece >> for isolating parts to improve sound. The SL7 was a good speaker, >> but Celestion took the same drivers and built the SL-700, moving >> the crossover from the "normal" rear position to a bottom mounted >> position. The difference in sound was stunning! >> Once masking effects of noise and distortion are lowered in >> Nakamichis these subtle effects might resolve tweaks such as >> dampening. The odd thing about this BX300 is parts dampened in >> one channel are not dampened in the other. >> tom brucker >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Graham A Nelson >> Sent: Oct 9, 2008 11:03 AM >> To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >> Subject: [naktalk] Damping electronics >> >> I'm not meaning to doubt you here, Henk, but I am wondering >> if there is any reputable, non-pseudo scientific evidence >> that damping electronic components has any real effect, save >> for reducing strain on weak connections (as with a slightly >> loose tube or a circuit board with cracks.) I can understand >> how good damping can have an effect on anything mechanical, >> such as with a TT or any moving parts in a cassette deck. (I >> am led to understand that some of the old Pioneer range of >> cassette decks and the Technics, too, achieved some of their >> better-than-average performance because they reduced the >> level of vibration that could affect critical mechanics - >> i.e. by ensuring the tape was 99.9% stable as it passes over >> the R/P heads. I gather it was this damping of the mechanics >> in the Pioneer ST830S and ST740S that helped them produce w/f >> figures that would be the envy of even the best Nak.) But >> silicone or Sorbothane patches on circuit boards, microchips, >> resistors, transistors, etc ... can it really have a real >> effect, one that would pass even a DB test? >> > I'm trying to keep an open mind, and maybe I don't understand > enough about how electronic components work, but I just don't see > any mechanical logic to this provided the device is robustly > physically built and all joints correctly soldered. > > So, all you techies - what am I missing? You got a view on this, > Ron? > > .) So, if you want to hedge your hard won earnings into a good > investment (“snigger”) buy it now. > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] > On Behalf Of ScHenk > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:44 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Baby ZXL > > Tom and others, > > I have repeatedly been surprised by high frequency MOL that BX-300 > is capable > > of. Clearly better than most (if not all) classic Naks. > > Together with the exceptional good tapespeed stability this deck > sports the > > utmost in cassette technology. > > But electronics are mediocre at best. Recording Bias etc I would > not know, > > but replacing audiosignal electronics with tubes would be my first > guess > > to maximize sound performance. > > Damping electronics with silicone glue is frequently done and > helps reducing > > upper frequency distorsions by reducing ringing from low level > microphonic > > effects. And may have benificial effects on the BX300 (no pun > from me here). > > Happy listening, > > Henk Schenk > > Netherlands > > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > > >From: Tom Brucker > > >Subject: [naktalk] BX300 gear drive version, notes > > >To: "naktalk at naks.com" > > > > > >I am curious about what appears to be a revised BX300 #48150. This > deck > > has > > >gear drive. Many of the parts have puddles of clear glue around > certain > > areas, > > >primarily enclosing small electrolytic caps. I find an odd lack of > symmetry, > > >so I don't believe the glue has an audible purpose, but this is > the first > > >I've seen so I'm posting it for discussion. > > > BTW, this deck was -2dB @ 15kHz with 0Vu in! Not quite a ZXL, > but certainly > > >worthy. The BX 300 is a baby ZXL! > > > > > >tom brucker > > > > > >Hi Tech Service > > >2934 Nolensville Rd. > > >Nashville, TN 37211 > > >hitech77 at earthlink.net > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 14 16:05:42 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:05:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <48C699C400020F00@mail-5-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> References: <200810141005.m9EA1Eup008315@zxe.naks.com> <48C699C400020F00@mail-5-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <17d5ee910810140705v66e98f97nc128a888a448d0a5@mail.gmail.com> It's either that or, as Bala pointed, the capstans aren't turning. If you press play while there is no tape, is it working? What if you manually spin the take-up wheel? Does it stop? Note that you can pull on the cassette door bezel to remove it. Antoine 2008/10/14 ScHenk : > Mark, > > Possibly the light bulp in the auto stop assembly is at fault here. Happens > frequently. > > Remove the front and at the right of the cassette compartment sits a little > PCB with nothing much then this bulp. This PCB is skewed and akwardly placed > in a slotted opening. A bit of a hassle to dismantle. > If this bulp is dead , this should be the cause of the problem. This bulp > must be on at all times. (OK , not when the 581 is switched off.....) > > Good luck > Henk Schenk > Netherlands > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > > > From: "mark borrow" > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > <3f4425d00810132016p78f61616ga15ae32ab1d6233d at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey all - > I just received a Nak 581 from someone, as I was needing to archive some > old > cassette recordings - and I'm having some trouble with it. > > It was in perfect working order before shipping - so I'm hoping it's an easy > fix (I'm pretty handy with electronics - but figured I'd ask here first, > since I can't find a service manual). > > Basically - the motor works fine.. FF/RW work as expected.. but when I press > play, the heads move up into position for about 1 second, then return to > the > stopped position. > > Any good ideas about where to begin troubleshooting it? Perhaps something > is just out of adjustment? > > Thanks! > -mb > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 14 16:12:02 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:12:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Damping electronics or Electricity 101 In-Reply-To: <337F9268-FFC0-47CB-9B11-888330114347@peromarta.org> References: <200810131000.m9DA0aB4005572@zxe.naks.com> <337F9268-FFC0-47CB-9B11-888330114347@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <17d5ee910810140712y53e81722te998700c1d462e06@mail.gmail.com> Hi Richard, you totally missed the point on the 120V vs 240V thing. We were talking about the effect it has on an amplifier using a multi-voltage step-down transformer. Someone got to believe it sounded connected on a 240V line than 120V line. The output voltage is the same. Note that I write 120V and 240V, I'm just averaging between the 115/230V standard writing and the usual 125-130V we find around here. Antoine 2008/10/14 Luis Peromarta : > Rick, > > I really do not have time o argue about this off-topic nonsense, so this > would be my last post in this thread. > > Your calculations are fine, excep that wiring for a 240V and 115V are not > the same. 115 wires are thicker, so less resistance, so same line > regulation. So all your conclusions are incorrect. If I had an electrician > installing a #12 cu wiring for a 115V 2400W load 150' away, I would > inmediately fire him. > > Regarding regulation, in highly new-developed areas, could be as low as 2%, > but you may want to travel around the globe to see poor line regulation of > 10% or worse (Thankfully not my case :) ). Lucky you. > > I am sure we all appreciate your inputs, and certainly your Electrical > Licensing, knowledge of the code and hability with V, i and R calculations > are really very impressive. > > I, like others in the group, may hold much higer degrees, and probably have > a much deeper knowledge and understanding of what's going on, so your > despective comments are really annoying. > > With best rgds, LP. > > >-- Antoine Deschênes From mistergrinch at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 16:14:15 2008 From: mistergrinch at gmail.com (mark borrow) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:14:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910810140705v66e98f97nc128a888a448d0a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <200810141005.m9EA1Eup008315@zxe.naks.com> <48C699C400020F00@mail-5-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> <17d5ee910810140705v66e98f97nc128a888a448d0a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f4425d00810140714r72ec5691h95c0de65574ea798@mail.gmail.com> thanks for all the ideas.. I'll try to find a few minutes to get it working again and report back! On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > It's either that or, as Bala pointed, the capstans aren't turning. > > If you press play while there is no tape, is it working? What if you > manually spin the take-up wheel? Does it stop? Note that you can pull > on the cassette door bezel to remove it. > > Antoine > > 2008/10/14 ScHenk : > > Mark, > > > > Possibly the light bulp in the auto stop assembly is at fault here. > Happens > > frequently. > > > > Remove the front and at the right of the cassette compartment sits a > little > > PCB with nothing much then this bulp. This PCB is skewed and akwardly > placed > > in a slotted opening. A bit of a hassle to dismantle. > > If this bulp is dead , this should be the cause of the problem. This bulp > > must be on at all times. (OK , not when the 581 is switched off.....) > > > > Good luck > > Henk Schenk > > Netherlands > > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > > > > > > From: "mark borrow" > > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: > > <3f4425d00810132016p78f61616ga15ae32ab1d6233d at mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hey all - > > I just received a Nak 581 from someone, as I was needing to archive some > > old > > cassette recordings - and I'm having some trouble with it. > > > > It was in perfect working order before shipping - so I'm hoping it's an > easy > > fix (I'm pretty handy with electronics - but figured I'd ask here first, > > since I can't find a service manual). > > > > Basically - the motor works fine.. FF/RW work as expected.. but when I > press > > play, the heads move up into position for about 1 second, then return to > > the > > stopped position. > > > > Any good ideas about where to begin troubleshooting it? Perhaps something > > is just out of adjustment? > > > > Thanks! > > -mb > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mistergrinch at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 16:38:59 2008 From: mistergrinch at gmail.com (mark borrow) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:38:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <3f4425d00810140714r72ec5691h95c0de65574ea798@mail.gmail.com> References: <200810141005.m9EA1Eup008315@zxe.naks.com> <48C699C400020F00@mail-5-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> <17d5ee910810140705v66e98f97nc128a888a448d0a5@mail.gmail.com> <3f4425d00810140714r72ec5691h95c0de65574ea798@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f4425d00810140738g77a9d06ewe82097a0ea94c93a@mail.gmail.com> Well - the take-up spindle does spin fine with no tape inserted, so it looks like the capstan belt is intact and working. I'm going to take it apart and check that bulb in the auto-stop assembly. IF the bulb is dead - is it a standard bulb that I can pick up anywhere? On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, mark borrow wrote: > thanks for all the ideas.. I'll try to find a few minutes to get it working > again and report back! > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > >> It's either that or, as Bala pointed, the capstans aren't turning. >> >> If you press play while there is no tape, is it working? What if you >> manually spin the take-up wheel? Does it stop? Note that you can pull >> on the cassette door bezel to remove it. >> >> Antoine >> >> 2008/10/14 ScHenk : >> > Mark, >> > >> > Possibly the light bulp in the auto stop assembly is at fault here. >> Happens >> > frequently. >> > >> > Remove the front and at the right of the cassette compartment sits a >> little >> > PCB with nothing much then this bulp. This PCB is skewed and akwardly >> placed >> > in a slotted opening. A bit of a hassle to dismantle. >> > If this bulp is dead , this should be the cause of the problem. This >> bulp >> > must be on at all times. (OK , not when the 581 is switched off.....) >> > >> > Good luck >> > Henk Schenk >> > Netherlands >> > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >> > >> > >> > From: "mark borrow" >> > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help >> > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > Message-ID: >> > <3f4425d00810132016p78f61616ga15ae32ab1d6233d at mail.gmail.com> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> > >> > Hey all - >> > I just received a Nak 581 from someone, as I was needing to archive some >> > old >> > cassette recordings - and I'm having some trouble with it. >> > >> > It was in perfect working order before shipping - so I'm hoping it's an >> easy >> > fix (I'm pretty handy with electronics - but figured I'd ask here first, >> > since I can't find a service manual). >> > >> > Basically - the motor works fine.. FF/RW work as expected.. but when I >> press >> > play, the heads move up into position for about 1 second, then return to >> > the >> > stopped position. >> > >> > Any good ideas about where to begin troubleshooting it? Perhaps >> something >> > is just out of adjustment? >> > >> > Thanks! >> > -mb >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> > Maintain your account here: >> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> > >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Antoine Deschênes >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mistergrinch at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 17:05:06 2008 From: mistergrinch at gmail.com (mark borrow) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:05:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <3f4425d00810140738g77a9d06ewe82097a0ea94c93a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200810141005.m9EA1Eup008315@zxe.naks.com> <48C699C400020F00@mail-5-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> <17d5ee910810140705v66e98f97nc128a888a448d0a5@mail.gmail.com> <3f4425d00810140714r72ec5691h95c0de65574ea798@mail.gmail.com> <3f4425d00810140738g77a9d06ewe82097a0ea94c93a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f4425d00810140805j71635791y47cce7fe4b677756@mail.gmail.com> Next round. If I'm looking in the right place - the bulb in the auto-stop assembly is fine (about 2" to the right of the cassette well - behind the rec/ff buttons?) it seems like it SHOULD be working - but there's some mechanism that's telling it to stop when there's a tape inserted. On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:38 AM, mark borrow wrote: > Well - the take-up spindle does spin fine with no tape inserted, so it > looks like the capstan belt is intact and working. > > I'm going to take it apart and check that bulb in the auto-stop assembly. > > IF the bulb is dead - is it a standard bulb that I can pick up anywhere? > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, mark borrow wrote: > >> thanks for all the ideas.. I'll try to find a few minutes to get it >> working again and report back! >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> >>> It's either that or, as Bala pointed, the capstans aren't turning. >>> >>> If you press play while there is no tape, is it working? What if you >>> manually spin the take-up wheel? Does it stop? Note that you can pull >>> on the cassette door bezel to remove it. >>> >>> Antoine >>> >>> 2008/10/14 ScHenk : >>> > Mark, >>> > >>> > Possibly the light bulp in the auto stop assembly is at fault here. >>> Happens >>> > frequently. >>> > >>> > Remove the front and at the right of the cassette compartment sits a >>> little >>> > PCB with nothing much then this bulp. This PCB is skewed and akwardly >>> placed >>> > in a slotted opening. A bit of a hassle to dismantle. >>> > If this bulp is dead , this should be the cause of the problem. This >>> bulp >>> > must be on at all times. (OK , not when the 581 is switched off.....) >>> > >>> > Good luck >>> > Henk Schenk >>> > Netherlands >>> > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>> > >>> > >>> > From: "mark borrow" >>> > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help >>> > To: naktalk at naks.com >>> > Message-ID: >>> > <3f4425d00810132016p78f61616ga15ae32ab1d6233d at mail.gmail.com> >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> > >>> > Hey all - >>> > I just received a Nak 581 from someone, as I was needing to archive >>> some >>> > old >>> > cassette recordings - and I'm having some trouble with it. >>> > >>> > It was in perfect working order before shipping - so I'm hoping it's an >>> easy >>> > fix (I'm pretty handy with electronics - but figured I'd ask here >>> first, >>> > since I can't find a service manual). >>> > >>> > Basically - the motor works fine.. FF/RW work as expected.. but when I >>> press >>> > play, the heads move up into position for about 1 second, then return >>> to >>> > the >>> > stopped position. >>> > >>> > Any good ideas about where to begin troubleshooting it? Perhaps >>> something >>> > is just out of adjustment? >>> > >>> > Thanks! >>> > -mb >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> > Maintain your account here: >>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> > >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Antoine Deschênes >>> >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>> >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Right side capstan spins normally, Left side capstan does not spin, and cassette-tray engages momentarily, then disconnects. This happens in both forward and reverse play I found that with power-on, the left hand motor will start running if it is given a little spin, but it spins slowly and weak, and will stop spinning if pressure is applied to it. Bad capacitors or bad motor ? What is your opinion ? Cheers, Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Tue Oct 14 17:13:22 2008 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:13:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T100 References: <748942.88549.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48F49A56.2060504@verizon.net> Message-ID: <39EF89B1C1A0430DB542BA44CA559C08@sonyar51j> Hi Naktalkers, Whats the value for a T100 these days? The seller told me that the T100 is in good shape but that the switches need to be cleaned. Is that possible? The deal is for a T100 including 3 references tapes. (I think 15 khz , 400 hz and wow and flutter tape?) Regards Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emgaron+naktalk at ribbrock.org Tue Oct 14 17:25:12 2008 From: emgaron+naktalk at ribbrock.org (emgaron+naktalk at ribbrock.org) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:25:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1.5 transport problems Message-ID: <20081014152512.GB23139@lancre.ribbrock.org> Hi all, I have a question about my Cassette Deck 1.5, which I bought a couple of years back (even had a few questions back then, which got answered swiftly on this list at the time - thanks!). A while back, the deck suddenly started acting up: When playing a tape, the tape would suddenly stop. Once that had happened, neither play nor fast-forward/reverse would work anymore until I manually turned the right "axle" (I admit not knowing the proper word for the two "axles" or "drive shafts" that turn the two tape spools of the cassette - not the capstan. I'm sure someone here will enligthen me...). Then it would run again for a while - and stop again. I observed that it was always the right "axle" that stopped first, so I suspected some mechanical problem. I have taken the whole deck apart to the point where I had the tape unit out of the casing. As far as I could see, there is a small plastic cogwheel which switches between the two driving "axles" depending on whether the tape deck plays/fast forwards or reverses. I'm not 100% certain, but it looked as if this cogwheel got stuck every now and then, blocking the right drive "axle" - almost as it the teeth of the small cogwheel did not fit properly into the ones of the larger one (the one that's on the drive "axle"). I've seen such failures in other equipment before (e.g. a - dare-I-mention-the-name - Sony walkman) - in those cases, one of the cogwheels usually was (partially) broken, causing a gap between two teeth somewhere. I could not see such damage in my Nak, but then again, I have not taken the drive unit apart, so I did not hold the single cogwheels in my hand. My question (or better questions) is: Does this sound familiar to someone, i.e. is this a "known problem" for this type of tape deck? And - of course - is there any chance of getting this repaired? I expect that there is no dealer support anymore (I haven't been following developments *at all* for the past few years...)? Mainly, I want to estimate whether it's worth my while to fix the deck - or whether I should try to get another one (preferably Nak) instead. The Cassette Deck 1.5 was a great improvement indeed over my venerable Uher CG-360 and Akai GXC-325D (both of which aren't bad at all), so it's a pity that this is the one that should give up... :-} Any hints/ideas/proper terminology are much appreciated! Regards, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Ribbrock http://www.ribbrock.org "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 18:37:51 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] A Nice Dragon Fixer-Upper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <709137.43749.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Normally this repair is best left to Techs who has experience in troubleshooting Dragon DD motors. You can try contacting Willy on this list if you are in US / Ofcourse Tom is another who does this but ask him about his availability Kannan --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Motion Man wrote: > From: Motion Man > Subject: [naktalk] A Nice Dragon Fixer-Upper > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 11:11 AM > Thanks for the troubleshooting suggestions. > > Recently, the transport stopped playing cassettes. Right > side capstan spins normally, Left side capstan does not > spin, and cassette-tray engages momentarily, then > disconnects. This happens in both forward and reverse play > > I found that with power-on, the left hand motor will start > running if it is given a little spin, but it spins slowly > and weak, and will stop spinning if pressure is applied to > it. > > Bad capacitors or bad motor ? What is your opinion ? > > Cheers, Tom > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From willyherm at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 18:52:11 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:52:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1.5 transport problems In-Reply-To: <20081014152512.GB23139@lancre.ribbrock.org> Message-ID: <48f4cdcc.1e048e0a.2f09.fffff187@mx.google.com> This sounds like a frequent problem which has to do with the motor which drives the cog wheel and not the gear assembly. It is a brush style motor and probably has a 'dead' spot on the armature. When the motor happens to stop exactly at that spot it won't start again until you move it - even slightly - from the 'dead' spot. You should be able to see slits in the white plastic rear of the motor. Spray a small amount of contact cleaner in those slots and run the motor in FF and REW for a minute or two. You will probably have solved the problem. If not, the motor will need replacement. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of emgaron+naktalk at ribbrock.org Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:25 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1.5 transport problems Hi all, I have a question about my Cassette Deck 1.5, which I bought a couple of years back (even had a few questions back then, which got answered swiftly on this list at the time - thanks!). A while back, the deck suddenly started acting up: When playing a tape, the tape would suddenly stop. Once that had happened, neither play nor fast-forward/reverse would work anymore until I manually turned the right "axle" (I admit not knowing the proper word for the two "axles" or "drive shafts" that turn the two tape spools of the cassette - not the capstan. I'm sure someone here will enligthen me...). Then it would run again for a while - and stop again. I observed that it was always the right "axle" that stopped first, so I suspected some mechanical problem. I have taken the whole deck apart to the point where I had the tape unit out of the casing. As far as I could see, there is a small plastic cogwheel which switches between the two driving "axles" depending on whether the tape deck plays/fast forwards or reverses. I'm not 100% certain, but it looked as if this cogwheel got stuck every now and then, blocking the right drive "axle" - almost as it the teeth of the small cogwheel did not fit properly into the ones of the larger one (the one that's on the drive "axle"). I've seen such failures in other equipment before (e.g. a - dare-I-mention-the-name - Sony walkman) - in those cases, one of the cogwheels usually was (partially) broken, causing a gap between two teeth somewhere. I could not see such damage in my Nak, but then again, I have not taken the drive unit apart, so I did not hold the single cogwheels in my hand. My question (or better questions) is: Does this sound familiar to someone, i.e. is this a "known problem" for this type of tape deck? And - of course - is there any chance of getting this repaired? I expect that there is no dealer support anymore (I haven't been following developments *at all* for the past few years...)? Mainly, I want to estimate whether it's worth my while to fix the deck - or whether I should try to get another one (preferably Nak) instead. The Cassette Deck 1.5 was a great improvement indeed over my venerable Uher CG-360 and Akai GXC-325D (both of which aren't bad at all), so it's a pity that this is the one that should give up... :-} Any hints/ideas/proper terminology are much appreciated! Regards, Thomas -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Thomas Ribbrock http://www.ribbrock.org "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 18:53:51 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <3f4425d00810140805j71635791y47cce7fe4b677756@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41912.97709.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I would like you to check the capstan belt again and if thats fine, then please check the tension of your cam mode belt. I have seen slipping cam belts causing issues like your deck has in many many decks. Try to pull the cam mode belt and tease it gently and then try and playback. If there is no tension on that belt, it might just be rotating around the pulley and will cause the heads to go and immediately retract. Changing it is easy. Even a clutz like me can do it. Good luck. Ram --- On Tue, 10/14/08, mark borrow wrote: From: mark borrow Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 11:05 AM Next round. If I'm looking in the right place - the bulb in the auto-stop assembly is fine (about 2" to the right of the cassette well - behind the rec/ff buttons?) it seems like it SHOULD be working - but there's some mechanism that's telling it to stop when there's a tape inserted. On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:38 AM, mark borrow wrote: Well - the take-up spindle does spin fine with no tape inserted, so it looks like the capstan belt is intact and working. I'm going to take it apart and check that bulb in the auto-stop assembly. IF the bulb is dead - is it a standard bulb that I can pick up anywhere? On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, mark borrow wrote: thanks for all the ideas.. I'll try to find a few minutes to get it working again and report back! On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: It's either that or, as Bala pointed, the capstans aren't turning. If you press play while there is no tape, is it working? What if you manually spin the take-up wheel? Does it stop? Note that you can pull on the cassette door bezel to remove it. Antoine 2008/10/14 ScHenk : > Mark, > > Possibly the light bulp in the auto stop assembly is at fault here. Happens > frequently. > > Remove the front and at the right of the cassette compartment sits a little > PCB with nothing much then this bulp. This PCB is skewed and akwardly placed > in a slotted opening. A bit of a hassle to dismantle. > If this bulp is dead , this should be the cause of the problem. This bulp > must be on at all times. (OK , not when the 581 is switched off.....) > > Good luck > Henk Schenk > Netherlands > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > > > From: "mark borrow" > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: >  <3f4425d00810132016p78f61616ga15ae32ab1d6233d at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey all - > I just received a Nak 581 from someone, as I was needing to archive some > old > cassette recordings - and I'm having some trouble with it. > > It was in perfect working order before shipping - so I'm hoping it's an easy > fix (I'm pretty handy with electronics - but figured I'd ask here first, > since I can't find a service manual). > > Basically - the motor works fine.. FF/RW work as expected.. but when I press > play, the heads move up into position for about 1 second, then return to > the > stopped position. > > Any good ideas about where to begin troubleshooting it? Perhaps something > is just out of adjustment? > > Thanks! > -mb > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 14 19:10:41 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:10:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <3f4425d00810140738g77a9d06ewe82097a0ea94c93a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200810141005.m9EA1Eup008315@zxe.naks.com> <48C699C400020F00@mail-5-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> <17d5ee910810140705v66e98f97nc128a888a448d0a5@mail.gmail.com> <3f4425d00810140714r72ec5691h95c0de65574ea798@mail.gmail.com> <3f4425d00810140738g77a9d06ewe82097a0ea94c93a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910810141010p6e14e0b3wf2d39ab4d09fb5fb@mail.gmail.com> The take-up spindle and the capstan belt are two different things. The take-up spindle spins the cassette hubs and uses an idler with it's own motor. The capstans are two small rotating shafts on the bottom of the deck. They are linked to their own motor through a single belt that becomes loose with time. If the spindle works on play with no tape, the auto-stop bulb is fine. You could remove the top cover, insert a tape, and look to see if the capstan do turn (two large flywheels, a flat belt and a motor) I'd need other people's advice, but could the cam potentiometer be misaligned? -- Antoine Deschênes From mistergrinch at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 20:42:28 2008 From: mistergrinch at gmail.com (mark borrow) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:42:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910810141010p6e14e0b3wf2d39ab4d09fb5fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <200810141005.m9EA1Eup008315@zxe.naks.com> <48C699C400020F00@mail-5-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> <17d5ee910810140705v66e98f97nc128a888a448d0a5@mail.gmail.com> <3f4425d00810140714r72ec5691h95c0de65574ea798@mail.gmail.com> <3f4425d00810140738g77a9d06ewe82097a0ea94c93a@mail.gmail.com> <17d5ee910810141010p6e14e0b3wf2d39ab4d09fb5fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f4425d00810141142t39dd224enaeb141f1ac778f0d@mail.gmail.com> Will check this and the capstan and cam-mode belts as recommended earlier. Does anyone have a service manual so I know which belt is which? On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: > The take-up spindle and the capstan belt are two different things. The > take-up spindle spins the cassette hubs and uses an idler with it's > own motor. The capstans are two small rotating shafts on the bottom of > the deck. They are linked to their own motor through a single belt > that becomes loose with time. If the spindle works on play with no > tape, the auto-stop bulb is fine. > > You could remove the top cover, insert a tape, and look to see if the > capstan do turn (two large flywheels, a flat belt and a motor) > > I'd need other people's advice, but could the cam potentiometer be > misaligned? > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Tue Oct 14 20:49:07 2008 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:49:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1.5 transport problems References: <20081014152512.GB23139@lancre.ribbrock.org> Message-ID: <2C74AA75E61643E196DC9B7189AD101A@superdator> Hi Thomas! Sounds like a weak idler motor. I had it on my CR-4 and the other day it happened with my Cassette Deck 1. I have only seen it on decks with the Sankyo mechanism. If you want a new motor please contact me on paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se The replacement is not so tricky but you have to move the gear assy from the old motor to the new. Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1.5 transport problems > Hi all, > > I have a question about my Cassette Deck 1.5, which I bought a couple of > years back (even had a few questions back then, which got answered > swiftly on this list at the time - thanks!). A while back, the deck > suddenly started acting up: When playing a tape, the tape would suddenly > stop. Once that had happened, neither play nor fast-forward/reverse > would work anymore until I manually turned the right "axle" (I admit not > knowing the proper word for the two "axles" or "drive shafts" that turn > the two tape spools of the cassette - not the capstan. I'm sure someone > here will enligthen me...). Then it would run again for a while - and > stop again. > > I observed that it was always the right "axle" that stopped first, so I > suspected some mechanical problem. I have taken the whole deck apart to > the point where I had the tape unit out of the casing. As far as I could > see, there is a small plastic cogwheel which switches between the two > driving "axles" depending on whether the tape deck plays/fast forwards or > reverses. I'm not 100% certain, but it looked as if this cogwheel got > stuck every now and then, blocking the right drive "axle" - almost as it > the teeth of the small cogwheel did not fit properly into the ones of > the larger one (the one that's on the drive "axle"). I've seen such > failures in other equipment before (e.g. a - dare-I-mention-the-name - > Sony walkman) - in those cases, one of the cogwheels usually was > (partially) broken, causing a gap between two teeth somewhere. I could > not see such damage in my Nak, but then again, I have not taken the > drive unit apart, so I did not hold the single cogwheels in my hand. > > My question (or better questions) is: Does this sound familiar to > someone, i.e. is this a "known problem" for this type of tape deck? And > - of course - is there any chance of getting this repaired? I expect > that there is no dealer support anymore (I haven't been following > developments *at all* for the past few years...)? Mainly, I want to > estimate whether it's worth my while to fix the deck - or whether I > should try to get another one (preferably Nak) instead. > > The Cassette Deck 1.5 was a great improvement indeed over my venerable > Uher CG-360 and Akai GXC-325D (both of which aren't bad at all), so it's > a pity that this is the one that should give up... :-} > > Any hints/ideas/proper terminology are much appreciated! > > Regards, > > Thomas > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Thomas Ribbrock http://www.ribbrock.org > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come > true!" > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Tue Oct 14 20:54:17 2008 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?Windows-1252?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:54:17 +0200 Subject: [!! SPAM] [naktalk] Nakamichi T100 References: <748942.88549.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com><48F49A56.2060504@verizon.net> <39EF89B1C1A0430DB542BA44CA559C08@sonyar51j> Message-ID: <9E27AB019B9E40C79834401E8701615B@superdator> Hi Norman! I bought mine for 390 Euro. Regarding the switches: The switches on the front panel controls the electronics that do the actual switching. So if there is noise or other disturbing sound in the output signal I think it takes more than just cleaning the switches on the front! Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman van Wijnen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:13 PM Subject: [!! SPAM] [naktalk] Nakamichi T100 Hi Naktalkers, Whats the value for a T100 these days? The seller told me that the T100 is in good shape but that the switches need to be cleaned. Is that possible? The deal is for a T100 including 3 references tapes. (I think 15 khz , 400 hz and wow and flutter tape?) 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 14 21:53:51 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:53:51 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1.5 transport problems Message-ID: <11868558.1224014031638.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Good effort! You have a gear drive transport. The center gear does indeed flip from supply to take up reel tables depending on which direction the reel motor is turning. The common failure is in the reel motor itself, which stops working about 20 minutes into playing a tape. There are links to web DIY essays on Naks.com, listed as 'cleaning reel motor brushes". The bad news is almost 50% of the gear drive motors are not repairable in this manner. If your observation is correct, that the gear gets stuck, carefully remove the center gears stop washer, remove the gear, and remove the spring loaded felt clutch. Lightly buff the felt with sandpaper, and reassemble. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: emgaron+naktalk at ribbrock.org >Sent: Oct 14, 2008 10:25 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1.5 transport problems > >Hi all, > >I have a question about my Cassette Deck 1.5, which I bought a couple of >years back (even had a few questions back then, which got answered >swiftly on this list at the time - thanks!). A while back, the deck >suddenly started acting up: When playing a tape, the tape would suddenly >stop. Once that had happened, neither play nor fast-forward/reverse >would work anymore until I manually turned the right "axle" (I admit not >knowing the proper word for the two "axles" or "drive shafts" that turn >the two tape spools of the cassette - not the capstan. I'm sure someone >here will enligthen me...). Then it would run again for a while - and >stop again. > >I observed that it was always the right "axle" that stopped first, so I >suspected some mechanical problem. I have taken the whole deck apart to >the point where I had the tape unit out of the casing. As far as I could >see, there is a small plastic cogwheel which switches between the two >driving "axles" depending on whether the tape deck plays/fast forwards or >reverses. I'm not 100% certain, but it looked as if this cogwheel got >stuck every now and then, blocking the right drive "axle" - almost as it >the teeth of the small cogwheel did not fit properly into the ones of >the larger one (the one that's on the drive "axle"). I've seen such >failures in other equipment before (e.g. a - dare-I-mention-the-name - >Sony walkman) - in those cases, one of the cogwheels usually was >(partially) broken, causing a gap between two teeth somewhere. I could >not see such damage in my Nak, but then again, I have not taken the >drive unit apart, so I did not hold the single cogwheels in my hand. > >My question (or better questions) is: Does this sound familiar to >someone, i.e. is this a "known problem" for this type of tape deck? And >- of course - is there any chance of getting this repaired? I expect >that there is no dealer support anymore (I haven't been following >developments *at all* for the past few years...)? Mainly, I want to >estimate whether it's worth my while to fix the deck - or whether I >should try to get another one (preferably Nak) instead. > >The Cassette Deck 1.5 was a great improvement indeed over my venerable >Uher CG-360 and Akai GXC-325D (both of which aren't bad at all), so it's >a pity that this is the one that should give up... :-} > >Any hints/ideas/proper terminology are much appreciated! > >Regards, > >Thomas >-- >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Thomas Ribbrock http://www.ribbrock.org > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 14 22:17:22 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:17:22 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T100 Message-ID: <1127002.1224015442726.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mistergrinch at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 22:22:59 2008 From: mistergrinch at gmail.com (mark borrow) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:22:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <7544302.1224013072204.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7544302.1224013072204.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3f4425d00810141322p21b136cfq65d19de8d1996982@mail.gmail.com> which one is the cam belt? On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > What about the cam belt? > > The heads will rise part way, but then the belt slips before it completes > the play function, so it goes back to stop. > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark borrow > Sent: Oct 14, 2008 10:05 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 > > Next round. > If I'm looking in the right place - the bulb in the auto-stop assembly is > fine (about 2" to the right of the cassette well - behind the rec/ff > buttons?) > > it seems like it SHOULD be working - but there's some mechanism that's > telling it to stop when there's a tape inserted. > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:38 AM, mark borrow wrote: > >> Well - the take-up spindle does spin fine with no tape inserted, so it >> looks like the capstan belt is intact and working. >> >> I'm going to take it apart and check that bulb in the auto-stop assembly. >> >> IF the bulb is dead - is it a standard bulb that I can pick up anywhere? >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, mark borrow wrote: >> >>> thanks for all the ideas.. I'll try to find a few minutes to get it >>> working again and report back! >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>> >>>> It's either that or, as Bala pointed, the capstans aren't turning. >>>> >>>> If you press play while there is no tape, is it working? What if you >>>> manually spin the take-up wheel? Does it stop? Note that you can pull >>>> on the cassette door bezel to remove it. >>>> >>>> Antoine >>>> >>>> 2008/10/14 ScHenk : >>>> > Mark, >>>> > >>>> > Possibly the light bulp in the auto stop assembly is at fault here. >>>> Happens >>>> > frequently. >>>> > >>>> > Remove the front and at the right of the cassette compartment sits a >>>> little >>>> > PCB with nothing much then this bulp. This PCB is skewed and akwardly >>>> placed >>>> > in a slotted opening. A bit of a hassle to dismantle. >>>> > If this bulp is dead , this should be the cause of the problem. This >>>> bulp >>>> > must be on at all times. (OK , not when the 581 is switched off.....) >>>> > >>>> > Good luck >>>> > Henk Schenk >>>> > Netherlands >>>> > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > From: "mark borrow" >>>> > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help >>>> > To: naktalk at naks.com >>>> > Message-ID: >>>> > <3f4425d00810132016p78f61616ga15ae32ab1d6233d at mail.gmail.com> >>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> > >>>> > Hey all - >>>> > I just received a Nak 581 from someone, as I was needing to archive >>>> some >>>> > old >>>> > cassette recordings - and I'm having some trouble with it. >>>> > >>>> > It was in perfect working order before shipping - so I'm hoping it's >>>> an easy >>>> > fix (I'm pretty handy with electronics - but figured I'd ask here >>>> first, >>>> > since I can't find a service manual). >>>> > >>>> > Basically - the motor works fine.. FF/RW work as expected.. but when I >>>> press >>>> > play, the heads move up into position for about 1 second, then return >>>> to >>>> > the >>>> > stopped position. >>>> > >>>> > Any good ideas about where to begin troubleshooting it? Perhaps >>>> something >>>> > is just out of adjustment? >>>> > >>>> > Thanks! >>>> > -mb >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> > >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> > Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> > >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Antoine Deschênes >>>> >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>> Maintain your account here: >>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>> >>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >>> >> > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211hitech77 at earthlink.nethitech@bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regarding the switches: The switches on the front panel controls the electronics that do the actual switching. So if there is noise or other disturbing sound in the output signal I think it takes more than just cleaning the switches on the front! Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman van Wijnen To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:13 PM Subject: [!! SPAM] [naktalk] Nakamichi T100 Hi Naktalkers, Whats the value for a T100 these days? The seller told me that the T100 is in good shape but that the switches need to be cleaned. Is that possible? The deal is for a T100 including 3 references tapes. (I think 15 khz , 400 hz and wow and flutter tape?) 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URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Oct 15 06:46:49 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:46:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Phono preamp In-Reply-To: <687259.21579.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <687259.21579.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <33E239ED-B2F0-43D6-8BE1-2B82733390EE@kvglabs.com> Hi Bala, On Oct 13, 2008, at 10:38 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > Hi guys, > > One other phono design that I've come to like is from Jean Hiraga. > Deceptively simple and yet very musical. It can be built into a can > from Strepsils or Altoids (minus the power supply) and is very quiet! > I forgot about the Hiraga! Also excellent! > > The HK 11 is indeed a musical performer but has nowhere the low > level detail and sound staging of the FM Acoustics. I have yet to > hear the Nak 610, but if they are as close sounding as what dear > Kermit says, then definitely the FM is way ahead. My comparison was > done with a Grado Prestige Gold, a cartridge that has, until now not > been my favourite for its lean, forward sound. The soundstage also > seemed very closed in. This is what I love about audio! There's so many excellent equipment choices that anyone can find the ideal sound for their particular tastes! And there's always room for yet another great pice of gear to come onto the market. > > Putting it into the Citation 11 yielded no improvement except that > the midrange opened up slightly but the leanness still remained. > Plugging in the FM, was a revelation because it totally tranformed > the sound by opening up the soundstage and taking away the coldness > and lean sound. In it's place was plenty of detail and speed and a > sound that was not at all fatiguing. The FM was run at standard RIAA > setting and standard cart loading. > > Kermit, any chance of hearing one of your phono stages? > Any time you want to! The official launch date is December 1, 2008, but I've already shipped a few "pre-launch" units and I've been taking orders since October 1. I had originally planned a September launch date but was dissatisfied with the sound of the phono stages WHEN RECORDED onto cassette. I've found over the past 30+ years that a great many microphone amplifiers or phono stages sound good when listened to live but then the sound suffers once a tape recording is made from the phono stage, The tape recorder is usually blamed, but in 1978 I developed a way to tweak the sound of a microphone amplifier such that the tape recording sounds clearer than the mic preamp does on its own. I've applied the same techniques to my phono stages (because their designs are derived from my studio microphone preamplifiers). My thinking is that most LP owners will make a tape copy of the LP to save wear on the LP itself, so it is more important that the tape recording sound good than it is for the live playback to sound good -- although the live playback also has to be good, of course. For my "tape recorder voicing tests" I use several tape recorders: Nakamichi 500, 600, 600-II, 680ZX, Revox B710, B&O Beocord 2400, B&O Beocord 9000, SAE C3, Pioneer CT-F7272, Teac A3440, Pioneer RT-1011L, Revox B77, Uher 4000 Report L, Ampex 602 and a cheap autoreverse Technics. Also, a Grado Prestige Gold is one of the fifteen cartridges I use in the listening tests as well. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Oct 15 03:47:16 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:47:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <3f4425d00810141322p21b136cfq65d19de8d1996982@mail.gmail.com> References: <7544302.1224013072204.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <3f4425d00810141322p21b136cfq65d19de8d1996982@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910810141847r23643e5y7497d3caf542641@mail.gmail.com> The cam belt is a short square belt attached to a motor behind the timer. 2008/10/14 mark borrow : > which one is the cam belt? > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: >> >> What about the cam belt? >> >> The heads will rise part way, but then the belt slips before it completes >> the play function, so it goes back to stop. >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mark borrow >> Sent: Oct 14, 2008 10:05 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 >> >> Next round. >> If I'm looking in the right place - the bulb in the auto-stop assembly is >> fine (about 2" to the right of the cassette well - behind the rec/ff >> buttons?) >> >> it seems like it SHOULD be working - but there's some mechanism that's >> telling it to stop when there's a tape inserted. >> >> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:38 AM, mark borrow >> wrote: >>> >>> Well - the take-up spindle does spin fine with no tape inserted, so it >>> looks like the capstan belt is intact and working. >>> >>> I'm going to take it apart and check that bulb in the auto-stop assembly. >>> >>> IF the bulb is dead - is it a standard bulb that I can pick up anywhere? >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, mark borrow >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> thanks for all the ideas.. I'll try to find a few minutes to get it >>>> working again and report back! >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Antoine Deschênes >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It's either that or, as Bala pointed, the capstans aren't turning. >>>>> >>>>> If you press play while there is no tape, is it working? What if you >>>>> manually spin the take-up wheel? Does it stop? Note that you can pull >>>>> on the cassette door bezel to remove it. >>>>> >>>>> Antoine >>>>> >>>>> 2008/10/14 ScHenk : >>>>> > Mark, >>>>> > >>>>> > Possibly the light bulp in the auto stop assembly is at fault here. >>>>> > Happens >>>>> > frequently. >>>>> > >>>>> > Remove the front and at the right of the cassette compartment sits a >>>>> > little >>>>> > PCB with nothing much then this bulp. This PCB is skewed and akwardly >>>>> > placed >>>>> > in a slotted opening. A bit of a hassle to dismantle. >>>>> > If this bulp is dead , this should be the cause of the problem. This >>>>> > bulp >>>>> > must be on at all times. (OK , not when the 581 is switched off.....) >>>>> > >>>>> > Good luck >>>>> > Henk Schenk >>>>> > Netherlands >>>>> > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > From: "mark borrow" >>>>> > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help >>>>> > To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>> > Message-ID: >>>>> > <3f4425d00810132016p78f61616ga15ae32ab1d6233d at mail.gmail.com> >>>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>> > >>>>> > Hey all - >>>>> > I just received a Nak 581 from someone, as I was needing to archive >>>>> > some >>>>> > old >>>>> > cassette recordings - and I'm having some trouble with it. >>>>> > >>>>> > It was in perfect working order before shipping - so I'm hoping it's >>>>> > an easy >>>>> > fix (I'm pretty handy with electronics - but figured I'd ask here >>>>> > first, >>>>> > since I can't find a service manual). >>>>> > >>>>> > Basically - the motor works fine.. FF/RW work as expected.. but when >>>>> > I press >>>>> > play, the heads move up into position for about 1 second, then return >>>>> > to >>>>> > the >>>>> > stopped position. >>>>> > >>>>> > Any good ideas about where to begin troubleshooting it? Perhaps >>>>> > something >>>>> > is just out of adjustment? >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks! >>>>> > -mb >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> > >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> > Maintain your account here: >>>>> > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> > >>>>> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Antoine Deschênes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>> >>> >> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211 >> hitech77 at earthlink.net >> hitech at bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Oct 15 03:47:43 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:47:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <3f4425d00810141142t39dd224enaeb141f1ac778f0d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200810141005.m9EA1Eup008315@zxe.naks.com> <48C699C400020F00@mail-5-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> <17d5ee910810140705v66e98f97nc128a888a448d0a5@mail.gmail.com> <3f4425d00810140714r72ec5691h95c0de65574ea798@mail.gmail.com> <3f4425d00810140738g77a9d06ewe82097a0ea94c93a@mail.gmail.com> <17d5ee910810141010p6e14e0b3wf2d39ab4d09fb5fb@mail.gmail.com> <3f4425d00810141142t39dd224enaeb141f1ac778f0d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910810141847r21648aadqe14a671461350e27@mail.gmail.com> The capstan belt is the large flat belt with the two flywheels. 2008/10/14 mark borrow : > Will check this and the capstan and cam-mode belts as recommended earlier. > > Does anyone have a service manual so I know which belt is which? > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Antoine Deschênes > wrote: >> >> The take-up spindle and the capstan belt are two different things. The >> take-up spindle spins the cassette hubs and uses an idler with it's >> own motor. The capstans are two small rotating shafts on the bottom of >> the deck. They are linked to their own motor through a single belt >> that becomes loose with time. If the spindle works on play with no >> tape, the auto-stop bulb is fine. >> >> You could remove the top cover, insert a tape, and look to see if the >> capstan do turn (two large flywheels, a flat belt and a motor) >> >> I'd need other people's advice, but could the cam potentiometer be >> misaligned? >> >> -- >> Antoine Deschênes >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From mistergrinch at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 04:39:21 2008 From: mistergrinch at gmail.com (mark borrow) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:39:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <3f4425d00810141322p21b136cfq65d19de8d1996982@mail.gmail.com> References: <7544302.1224013072204.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <3f4425d00810141322p21b136cfq65d19de8d1996982@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f4425d00810141939p3b6227bbx214ae2ef9aa0a72d@mail.gmail.com> It was the capstan belt.. it had come off the motor, but it's all working now! Thanks for all the help! Is there any kind of adjustment to tighten it? So, now that it's working - anything else I should know about the 581? It was given to me - I had needed a working cassette deck to do some archiving of old recordings.. and now it looks like I've got one. "-) On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 4:22 PM, mark borrow wrote: > which one is the cam belt? > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: > >> What about the cam belt? >> >> The heads will rise part way, but then the belt slips before it completes >> the play function, so it goes back to stop. >> >> tom brucker >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mark borrow >> Sent: Oct 14, 2008 10:05 AM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 >> >> Next round. >> If I'm looking in the right place - the bulb in the auto-stop assembly is >> fine (about 2" to the right of the cassette well - behind the rec/ff >> buttons?) >> >> it seems like it SHOULD be working - but there's some mechanism that's >> telling it to stop when there's a tape inserted. >> >> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:38 AM, mark borrow wrote: >> >>> Well - the take-up spindle does spin fine with no tape inserted, so it >>> looks like the capstan belt is intact and working. >>> >>> I'm going to take it apart and check that bulb in the auto-stop assembly. >>> >>> IF the bulb is dead - is it a standard bulb that I can pick up anywhere? >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, mark borrow wrote: >>> >>>> thanks for all the ideas.. I'll try to find a few minutes to get it >>>> working again and report back! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's either that or, as Bala pointed, the capstans aren't turning. >>>>> >>>>> If you press play while there is no tape, is it working? What if you >>>>> manually spin the take-up wheel? Does it stop? Note that you can pull >>>>> on the cassette door bezel to remove it. >>>>> >>>>> Antoine >>>>> >>>>> 2008/10/14 ScHenk : >>>>> > Mark, >>>>> > >>>>> > Possibly the light bulp in the auto stop assembly is at fault here. >>>>> Happens >>>>> > frequently. >>>>> > >>>>> > Remove the front and at the right of the cassette compartment sits a >>>>> little >>>>> > PCB with nothing much then this bulp. This PCB is skewed and akwardly >>>>> placed >>>>> > in a slotted opening. A bit of a hassle to dismantle. >>>>> > If this bulp is dead , this should be the cause of the problem. This >>>>> bulp >>>>> > must be on at all times. (OK , not when the 581 is switched off.....) >>>>> > >>>>> > Good luck >>>>> > Henk Schenk >>>>> > Netherlands >>>>> > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > From: "mark borrow" >>>>> > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help >>>>> > To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>> > Message-ID: >>>>> > <3f4425d00810132016p78f61616ga15ae32ab1d6233d at mail.gmail.com> >>>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>> > >>>>> > Hey all - >>>>> > I just received a Nak 581 from someone, as I was needing to archive >>>>> some >>>>> > old >>>>> > cassette recordings - and I'm having some trouble with it. >>>>> > >>>>> > It was in perfect working order before shipping - so I'm hoping it's >>>>> an easy >>>>> > fix (I'm pretty handy with electronics - but figured I'd ask here >>>>> first, >>>>> > since I can't find a service manual). >>>>> > >>>>> > Basically - the motor works fine.. FF/RW work as expected.. but when >>>>> I press >>>>> > play, the heads move up into position for about 1 second, then return >>>>> to >>>>> > the >>>>> > stopped position. >>>>> > >>>>> > Any good ideas about where to begin troubleshooting it? Perhaps >>>>> something >>>>> > is just out of adjustment? >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks! >>>>> > -mb >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> > >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> > Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> > >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Antoine Deschênes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>>> Maintain your account here: >>>>> http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>>> >>>>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> Hi Tech Service >> 2934 Nolensville Rd. >> Nashville, TN 37211hitech77 at earthlink.nethitech@bellsouth.net >> 615-331-9241 >> >> >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 04:52:32 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <3f4425d00810141322p21b136cfq65d19de8d1996982@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <239098.75503.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Mark,   As far as I can see, your spindle motor is working, and the cam assembly seems somewhat ok. When you press play and still hear a whine which means that the head block is not full engaged, you can assume that the cam assembly is still ok at this point. The cam belt is located at the right hand side, facing the front of the deck.   The take up spindle is not linked to the capstan belt. By putting your finger on the two capstan shafts at the bottom, ensure that you can feel that they are rotating.   Bala --- On Wed, 10/15/08, mark borrow wrote: From: mark borrow Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 To: "Tom Brucker" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 4:22 AM which one is the cam belt? On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: What about the cam belt?  The heads will rise part way, but then the belt slips before it completes the play function, so it goes back to stop. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: mark borrow Sent: Oct 14, 2008 10:05 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 Next round. If I'm looking in the right place - the bulb in the auto-stop assembly is fine (about 2" to the right of the cassette well - behind the rec/ff buttons?) it seems like it SHOULD be working - but there's some mechanism that's telling it to stop when there's a tape inserted. On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:38 AM, mark borrow wrote: Well - the take-up spindle does spin fine with no tape inserted, so it looks like the capstan belt is intact and working. I'm going to take it apart and check that bulb in the auto-stop assembly. IF the bulb is dead - is it a standard bulb that I can pick up anywhere? On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, mark borrow wrote: thanks for all the ideas.. I'll try to find a few minutes to get it working again and report back! On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: It's either that or, as Bala pointed, the capstans aren't turning. If you press play while there is no tape, is it working? What if you manually spin the take-up wheel? Does it stop? Note that you can pull on the cassette door bezel to remove it. Antoine 2008/10/14 ScHenk : > Mark, > > Possibly the light bulp in the auto stop assembly is at fault here. Happens > frequently. > > Remove the front and at the right of the cassette compartment sits a little > PCB with nothing much then this bulp. This PCB is skewed and akwardly placed > in a slotted opening. A bit of a hassle to dismantle. > If this bulp is dead , this should be the cause of the problem. This bulp > must be on at all times. (OK , not when the 581 is switched off.....) > > Good luck > Henk Schenk > Netherlands > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > > > From: "mark borrow" > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: >  <3f4425d00810132016p78f61616ga15ae32ab1d6233d at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey all - > I just received a Nak 581 from someone, as I was needing to archive some > old > cassette recordings - and I'm having some trouble with it. > > It was in perfect working order before shipping - so I'm hoping it's an easy > fix (I'm pretty handy with electronics - but figured I'd ask here first, > since I can't find a service manual). > > Basically - the motor works fine.. FF/RW work as expected.. but when I press > play, the heads move up into position for about 1 second, then return to > the > stopped position. > > Any good ideas about where to begin troubleshooting it? Perhaps something > is just out of adjustment? > > Thanks! > -mb > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 05:01:23 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Damping electronics or Electricity 101 In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910810140712y53e81722te998700c1d462e06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <653712.31030.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The argument has sort of boiled into a 120 volts vs 240 volts debate. However, what we have to consider is not quite the line voltage supply, but the overall setup. When you throw a step up transformer into your set-up, you are inducing more reactance into the power supply circuit. That will have also have an effect on regulation although the net effect on the actual unit, which is subject to the regulation of the secondary side of the power supply, needs to be really measured to be determined. But with good voltage regulation, techniques I doubt any discernible difference would be present irregardless of the line voltage. --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Antoine Deschênes wrote: From: Antoine Deschênes Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Damping electronics or Electricity 101 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:12 PM Hi Richard, you totally missed the point on the 120V vs 240V thing. We were talking about the effect it has on an amplifier using a multi-voltage step-down transformer. Someone got to believe it sounded connected on a 240V line than 120V line. The output voltage is the same. Note that I write 120V and 240V, I'm just averaging between the 115/230V standard writing and the usual 125-130V we find around here. Antoine 2008/10/14 Luis Peromarta : > Rick, > > I really do not have time o argue about this off-topic nonsense, so this > would be my last post in this thread. > > Your calculations are fine, excep that wiring for a 240V and 115V are not > the same. 115 wires are thicker, so less resistance, so same line > regulation. So all your conclusions are incorrect. If I had an electrician > installing a #12 cu wiring for a 115V 2400W load 150' away, I would > inmediately fire him. > > Regarding regulation, in highly new-developed areas, could be as low as 2%, > but you may want to travel around the globe to see poor line regulation of > 10% or worse (Thankfully not my case :) ). Lucky you. > > I am sure we all appreciate your inputs, and certainly your Electrical > Licensing, knowledge of the code and hability with V, i and R calculations > are really very impressive. > > I, like others in the group, may hold much higer degrees, and probably have > a much deeper knowledge and understanding of what's going on, so your > despective comments are really annoying. > > With best rgds, LP. > > >-- Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Oct 15 06:55:39 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:55:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BIC machine In-Reply-To: <093020080432.25457.48E1ABCF000A58AC0000637122228869349B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> References: <093020080432.25457.48E1ABCF000A58AC0000637122228869349B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <110B3CA3-7055-45A3-ADAF-1BCA87952788@kvglabs.com> Hi Guys, In the 1970s, briefly, I sold B*I*C as well as Nakamichi and several other brands. I didn't want a career in stereo sales, but I wanted to gain an insight into what different listeners preferred and why. The B*IC decks weren't my best seller, but they sold quite a few. My favorite brands was -- and still is -- Nakamichi, but you'd be surprised at the number of customers who disliked Nakamichi and would pass up the 550, 600-II, 700 or 1000 for a Pioneer CT-F9191, a top-end Yamaha, or a top-model Aiwa! When I first began selling I tried to talk the customer into a Nakamichi if their budget alloweed and would really try to argue against the other brands. But my boss took me aside and let me know loud-and-clear that my job wasn't to sell the brand that I liked but to discover what the customer likes and sell them what they preferred, regardless of my feelings on the matter. When I told one customer he had a tin ear for preferring a Pioneer CT- F9191 over the Nakamichi 600, I almost lost my job. The boss told me that my choice was merely my opinion, the customer is entitled to his opinions, and my opinion is no better than anyone else's opinion -- there is no such thing as a "tin eared listener." My brief sales career taught me valuable lessons that have served me well all these many years. On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:32 PM, ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: > One merchants garbage is another pirates treasure! I watched in > amazement recently a video where > a warehouse disposed of thousands of cassettes. They contracted a > disposal firm to hire a garbage > truck, which backed up to the loading dock and sent NOS tape to the > bowls of a land fill. I felt like crying. > -------------- Original message from Tom Brucker >: -------------- > > Ahh, but it's GOOD garbage! Tests do not tell the story. Listen to > music! > > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Oct 15 07:37:24 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:37:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Analogue Volatility? In-Reply-To: <717338.75020.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <717338.75020.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Okay, I'm bummed know. Hundreds of LPs, huge boxes jammed with cassettes, hundreds of VHS tapes, and more photos than I can count from twenty cameras in seven film formats (no digital) clutter my rooms. Only a few files clutter my harddrive. I pop a cassette into a Nakamichi 600, press the power button, the press play and I have music. I reach into an album and turn to a photograph. But with the digital I have to boot up a computer, double-click onto itunes, scroll through long lists, then double click a song -- by which time i've forgotten what i wanted to hear and the song would have been half-finished if I'd chosen tape to listen to instead of digital. Seeing photos on the computer involves similar hassles, only with iPhoto. Somehow I think my analog collection will outlive its digital copies. On Oct 13, 2008, at 11:27 PM, Bala Ganesh Chandra wrote: > An interesting article about the volitility of the analogue medium. http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20081013/ap_on_hi_te/tec_analog_s_twilight -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 07:08:55 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <3f4425d00810141939p3b6227bbx214ae2ef9aa0a72d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <435243.73892.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The capstan belt usually has a habit of slipping off because that is the only belt this does not sit in a grooved recess. Do check if you hear a high pitched whining noise when you play the deck because that could mean that the cam is not in the correct position when in the play mode.     There are plenty of 581 gurus here to guide on this deck, but it is a solid and reliable workhorse with a sound you'd come to like.   Regards, Bala --- On Wed, 10/15/08, mark borrow wrote: From: mark borrow Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 To: "Tom Brucker" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 10:39 AM It was the capstan belt.. it had come off the motor, but it's all working now!   Thanks for all the help! Is there any kind of adjustment to tighten it?  So, now that it's working - anything else I should know about the 581?  It was given to me - I had needed a working cassette deck to do some archiving of old recordings.. and now it looks like I've got one. "-) On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 4:22 PM, mark borrow wrote: which one is the cam belt? On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: What about the cam belt?  The heads will rise part way, but then the belt slips before it completes the play function, so it goes back to stop. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: mark borrow Sent: Oct 14, 2008 10:05 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 Next round. If I'm looking in the right place - the bulb in the auto-stop assembly is fine (about 2" to the right of the cassette well - behind the rec/ff buttons?) it seems like it SHOULD be working - but there's some mechanism that's telling it to stop when there's a tape inserted. On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:38 AM, mark borrow wrote: Well - the take-up spindle does spin fine with no tape inserted, so it looks like the capstan belt is intact and working. I'm going to take it apart and check that bulb in the auto-stop assembly. IF the bulb is dead - is it a standard bulb that I can pick up anywhere? On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, mark borrow wrote: thanks for all the ideas.. I'll try to find a few minutes to get it working again and report back! On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: It's either that or, as Bala pointed, the capstans aren't turning. If you press play while there is no tape, is it working? What if you manually spin the take-up wheel? Does it stop? Note that you can pull on the cassette door bezel to remove it. Antoine 2008/10/14 ScHenk : > Mark, > > Possibly the light bulp in the auto stop assembly is at fault here. Happens > frequently. > > Remove the front and at the right of the cassette compartment sits a little > PCB with nothing much then this bulp. This PCB is skewed and akwardly placed > in a slotted opening. A bit of a hassle to dismantle. > If this bulp is dead , this should be the cause of the problem. This bulp > must be on at all times. (OK , not when the 581 is switched off.....) > > Good luck > Henk Schenk > Netherlands > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > > > From: "mark borrow" > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: >  <3f4425d00810132016p78f61616ga15ae32ab1d6233d at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey all - > I just received a Nak 581 from someone, as I was needing to archive some > old > cassette recordings - and I'm having some trouble with it. > > It was in perfect working order before shipping - so I'm hoping it's an easy > fix (I'm pretty handy with electronics - but figured I'd ask here first, > since I can't find a service manual). > > Basically - the motor works fine.. FF/RW work as expected.. but when I press > play, the heads move up into position for about 1 second, then return to > the > stopped position. > > Any good ideas about where to begin troubleshooting it? Perhaps something > is just out of adjustment? > > Thanks! > -mb > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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Hooking up my Aiwa 6700 with a Sansui AU990 and Bose 091 Mk IIs, I find a sound that is very enjoyable though slightly laid back. Swapping the 6700 for a 680ZX (both released in 1979), the sound changes to something more fast and forward, and sometimes I feel that the sound is too rushed.   Of course the whole picture changes when I plug the 680ZX into a modern set-up. The 6700 suddenly has a thin sounding upper mid and a measly bass to compare to the 680ZX.  The playing field somewhat levels during the late 80s when I see a similarity in sound between the Aiwa XK009 and Nak CR7.   --- On Wed, 10/15/08, Kermit Gray wrote: From: Kermit Gray Subject: Re: [naktalk] BIC machine To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 12:55 PM Hi Guys, In the 1970s, briefly, I sold B*I*C as well as Nakamichi and several other brands. I didn't want a career in stereo sales, but I wanted to gain an insight into what different listeners preferred and why. The B*IC decks weren't my best seller, but they sold quite a few. My favorite brands was -- and still is -- Nakamichi, but you'd be surprised at the number of customers who disliked Nakamichi and would pass up the 550, 600-II, 700 or 1000 for a Pioneer CT-F9191, a top-end Yamaha, or a top-model Aiwa! When I first began selling I tried to talk the customer into a Nakamichi if their budget alloweed and would really try to argue against the other brands. But my boss took me aside and let me know loud-and-clear that my job wasn't to sell the brand that I liked but to discover what the customer likes and sell them what they preferred, regardless of my feelings on the matter. When I told one customer he had a tin ear for preferring a Pioneer CT- F9191 over the Nakamichi 600, I almost lost my job. The boss told me that my choice was merely my opinion, the customer is entitled to his opinions, and my opinion is no better than anyone else's opinion -- there is no such thing as a "tin eared listener." My brief sales career taught me valuable lessons that have served me well all these many years. On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:32 PM, ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: > One merchants garbage is another pirates treasure! I watched in > amazement recently a video where > a warehouse disposed of thousands of cassettes. They contracted a > disposal firm to hire a garbage > truck, which backed up to the loading dock and sent NOS tape to the > bowls of a land fill. I felt like crying. > -------------- Original message from Tom Brucker >: -------------- > > Ahh, but it's GOOD garbage! Tests do not tell the story. Listen to > music! > > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emgaron+naktalk at ribbrock.org Wed Oct 15 09:12:01 2008 From: emgaron+naktalk at ribbrock.org (T. Ribbrock) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:12:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cassette Deck 1.5 transport problems In-Reply-To: <11868558.1224014031638.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <11868558.1224014031638.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20081015071201.GA18798@lancre.ribbrock.org> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 02:53:51PM -0500, Tom Brucker wrote: [...] > The common failure is in the reel > motor itself, which stops working about 20 minutes into playing a > tape. There are links to web DIY essays on Naks.com, listed as > 'cleaning reel motor brushes". The bad news is almost 50% of the gear > drive motors are not repairable in this manner. Thank you, Pelle and Willy for the quick responses - that gives me a new starting point to look into this problem. I'll try to free up some time in the next week or two (agenda is pretty packed these days...) and I'll check the suggestions you made - and report back. Thank you all kindly - this gives me some hope! :-) Regards, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Ribbrock http://www.ribbrock.org "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Oct 15 12:00:27 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:00:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Phono preamp In-Reply-To: <33E239ED-B2F0-43D6-8BE1-2B82733390EE@kvglabs.com> References: <687259.21579.qm@web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <33E239ED-B2F0-43D6-8BE1-2B82733390EE@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <027f01c92eac$db49f6c0$91dde440$@com> I presently use a Graham Slee Jazz Club with my TT when recording to my ZX-9. (They're dear but I got it very cheaply from a dealer who cannot be named left Mr Slee takes out a contract on him for breaking the Slee-dealers' Pricing (fixing) Code .) It's a nice bit of kit not least because it allows me to record all manner of old 78's originally recorded on non-standard eq. settings. What's the cost of these going to be, Kermit? BTW, could you explain - in baby-non-tech-language for my benefit - what causes the sound issue with recordings from the early pre-amp model? Graham From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:47 AM To: bg3009 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phono preamp Any time you want to! The official launch date is December 1, 2008, but I've already shipped a few "pre-launch" units and I've been taking orders since October 1. I had originally planned a September launch date but was dissatisfied with the sound of the phono stages WHEN RECORDED onto cassette. I've found over the past 30+ years that a great many microphone amplifiers or phono stages sound good when listened to live but then the sound suffers once a tape recording is made from the phono stage, The tape recorder is usually blamed, but in 1978 I developed a way to tweak the sound of a microphone amplifier such that the tape recording sounds clearer than the mic preamp does on its own. I've applied the same techniques to my phono stages (because their designs are derived from my studio microphone preamplifiers). My thinking is that most LP owners will make a tape copy of the LP to save wear on the LP itself, so it is more important that the tape recording sound good than it is for the live playback to sound good -- although the live playback also has to be good, of course. For my "tape recorder voicing tests" I use several tape recorders: Nakamichi 500, 600, 600-II, 680ZX, Revox B710, B&O Beocord 2400, B&O Beocord 9000, SAE C3, Pioneer CT-F7272, Teac A3440, Pioneer RT-1011L, Revox B77, Uher 4000 Report L, Ampex 602 and a cheap autoreverse Technics. Also, a Grado Prestige Gold is one of the fifteen cartridges I use in the listening tests as well. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Oct 15 12:05:41 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:05:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Analogue Volatility? In-Reply-To: References: <717338.75020.qm@web30207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <028901c92ead$95a18420$c0e48c60$@com> It's age, Kermit. I have the same problem . From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:37 AM To: bg3009 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Analogue Volatility? But with the digital I have [Graham Nelson] . by which time i've forgotten what i wanted to hear -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Wed Oct 15 12:01:09 2008 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:01:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAAC Message-ID: <4D4F0612BB2E4F9999D94D92B86DFB6F@superdator> Hi everybody! I have problem with my Dragon again! I decided to adjust the tape output level and after this the auto azimuth is not working anymore. It deflects out of range and I can hear the classic noise when the gear slips against the nut. Before adjustment, the output level was to high in fwd direction, but perfect in reverse. I have only adjusted VR501 and VR601. Will I fix this problem by only adjust VR701 to get 0 volt on CN-5, or do I need to do the whole auto azimuth adjustment procedure? Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Oct 15 14:59:43 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:59:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <435243.73892.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <435243.73892.qm@web30206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F5E93F.8070205@yahoo.ca> I see, there's a technical service bulletin on this: http://www.nakremotes.com/Images/Nak/NR-0038.pdf The early 580 series lack belt stoppers... Bala Ganesh Chandra a écrit : > The capstan belt usually has a habit of slipping off because that is > the only belt this does not sit in a grooved recess. Do check if you > hear a high pitched whining noise when you play the deck because that > could mean that the cam is not in the correct position when in the > play mode. > > There are plenty of 581 gurus here to guide on this deck, but it is a > solid and reliable workhorse with a sound you'd come to like. > > Regards, > Bala > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Oct 15 15:00:09 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:00:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <3f4425d00810141939p3b6227bbx214ae2ef9aa0a72d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7544302.1224013072204.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <3f4425d00810141322p21b136cfq65d19de8d1996982@mail.gmail.com> <3f4425d00810141939p3b6227bbx214ae2ef9aa0a72d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48F5E959.20207@yahoo.ca> The belt shouldn't slip in normal conditions. Maybe someone already touched something inside the deck and made the belt loose. Or maybe the belt is very old and came off the pulley due to a lack of tension. The capstan belt should have quite a bit of tension, if it feels loose around the motor pulley and the two flywheels, it might need to be changed. However, you'll only be able to tell this after you try a few tapes. If the deck plays too slowly or often stops in the middle of tapes, that belt would need to be changed. Fred Marrs on this list makes a belt called the 8096-D2 which has the same "wow/flutter" performance as a genuine belt. There's his e-mail : marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com He's absent for the next two weeks though. mark borrow a écrit : > It was the capstan belt.. it had come off the motor, but it's all > working now! Thanks for all the help! > > Is there any kind of adjustment to tighten it? > > So, now that it's working - anything else I should know about the > 581? It was given to me - I had needed a working cassette deck to do > some archiving of old recordings.. and now it looks like I've got one. > "-) > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 4:22 PM, mark borrow > wrote: > > which one is the cam belt? > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Tom Brucker > > wrote: > > What about the cam belt? > > The heads will rise part way, but then the belt slips before > it completes the play function, so it goes back to stop. > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark borrow > Sent: Oct 14, 2008 10:05 AM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 > > Next round. > If I'm looking in the right place - the bulb in the > auto-stop assembly is fine (about 2" to the right of the > cassette well - behind the rec/ff buttons?) > > it seems like it SHOULD be working - but there's some > mechanism that's telling it to stop when there's a tape > inserted. > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:38 AM, mark borrow > > > wrote: > > Well - the take-up spindle does spin fine with no tape > inserted, so it looks like the capstan belt is intact > and working. > > I'm going to take it apart and check that bulb in the > auto-stop assembly. > > IF the bulb is dead - is it a standard bulb that I can > pick up anywhere? > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, mark borrow > > wrote: > > thanks for all the ideas.. I'll try to find a few > minutes to get it working again and report back! > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Antoine > Deschênes > wrote: > > It's either that or, as Bala pointed, the > capstans aren't turning. > > If you press play while there is no tape, is > it working? What if you > manually spin the take-up wheel? Does it stop? > Note that you can pull > on the cassette door bezel to remove it. > > Antoine > > 2008/10/14 ScHenk >: > > Mark, > > > > Possibly the light bulp in the auto stop > assembly is at fault here. Happens > > frequently. > > > > Remove the front and at the right of the > cassette compartment sits a little > > PCB with nothing much then this bulp. This > PCB is skewed and akwardly placed > > in a slotted opening. A bit of a hassle to > dismantle. > > If this bulp is dead , this should be the > cause of the problem. This bulp > > must be on at all times. (OK , not when the > 581 is switched off.....) > > > > Good luck > > Henk Schenk > > Netherlands > > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > > > > > > > From: "mark borrow" > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Message-ID: > > > <3f4425d00810132016p78f61616ga15ae32ab1d6233d at mail.gmail.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hey all - > > I just received a Nak 581 from someone, as I > was needing to archive some > > old > > cassette recordings - and I'm having some > trouble with it. > > > > It was in perfect working order before > shipping - so I'm hoping it's an easy > > fix (I'm pretty handy with electronics - but > figured I'd ask here first, > > since I can't find a service manual). > > > > Basically - the motor works fine.. FF/RW > work as expected.. but when I press > > play, the heads move up into position for > about 1 second, then return to > > the > > stopped position. > > > > Any good ideas about where to begin > troubleshooting it? Perhaps something > > is just out of adjustment? > > > > Thanks! > > -mb > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 15:26:42 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 06:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 In-Reply-To: <3f4425d00810141939p3b6227bbx214ae2ef9aa0a72d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <331739.23181.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, The very reason the capstan belt had come off is an indication you need to replace it with a fresh new belt! Enjoy. Ram --- On Tue, 10/14/08, mark borrow wrote: From: mark borrow Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 To: "Tom Brucker" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:39 PM It was the capstan belt.. it had come off the motor, but it's all working now!   Thanks for all the help! Is there any kind of adjustment to tighten it?  So, now that it's working - anything else I should know about the 581?  It was given to me - I had needed a working cassette deck to do some archiving of old recordings.. and now it looks like I've got one. "-) On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 4:22 PM, mark borrow wrote: which one is the cam belt? On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Tom Brucker wrote: What about the cam belt?  The heads will rise part way, but then the belt slips before it completes the play function, so it goes back to stop. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: mark borrow Sent: Oct 14, 2008 10:05 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mark Borrow Nakamichi 581 Next round. If I'm looking in the right place - the bulb in the auto-stop assembly is fine (about 2" to the right of the cassette well - behind the rec/ff buttons?) it seems like it SHOULD be working - but there's some mechanism that's telling it to stop when there's a tape inserted. On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:38 AM, mark borrow wrote: Well - the take-up spindle does spin fine with no tape inserted, so it looks like the capstan belt is intact and working. I'm going to take it apart and check that bulb in the auto-stop assembly. IF the bulb is dead - is it a standard bulb that I can pick up anywhere? On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM, mark borrow wrote: thanks for all the ideas.. I'll try to find a few minutes to get it working again and report back! On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Antoine Deschênes wrote: It's either that or, as Bala pointed, the capstans aren't turning. If you press play while there is no tape, is it working? What if you manually spin the take-up wheel? Does it stop? Note that you can pull on the cassette door bezel to remove it. Antoine 2008/10/14 ScHenk : > Mark, > > Possibly the light bulp in the auto stop assembly is at fault here. Happens > frequently. > > Remove the front and at the right of the cassette compartment sits a little > PCB with nothing much then this bulp. This PCB is skewed and akwardly placed > in a slotted opening. A bit of a hassle to dismantle. > If this bulp is dead , this should be the cause of the problem. This bulp > must be on at all times. (OK , not when the 581 is switched off.....) > > Good luck > Henk Schenk > Netherlands > www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > > > From: "mark borrow" > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 581 help > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: >  <3f4425d00810132016p78f61616ga15ae32ab1d6233d at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey all - > I just received a Nak 581 from someone, as I was needing to archive some > old > cassette recordings - and I'm having some trouble with it. > > It was in perfect working order before shipping - so I'm hoping it's an easy > fix (I'm pretty handy with electronics - but figured I'd ask here first, > since I can't find a service manual). > > Basically - the motor works fine.. FF/RW work as expected.. but when I press > play, the heads move up into position for about 1 second, then return to > the > stopped position. > > Any good ideas about where to begin troubleshooting it? Perhaps something > is just out of adjustment? > > Thanks! > -mb > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= >                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Oct 15 16:40:12 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:40:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Cassette Deck 1.5 transport problems In-Reply-To: <20081015071201.GA18798@lancre.ribbrock.org> References: <11868558.1224014031638.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20081015071201.GA18798@lancre.ribbrock.org> Message-ID: <17d5ee910810150740w11bdb596h90f283d69b0fc03@mail.gmail.com> If the contact cleaner doesn't work, it's still possible to try to rebuild it by disassembling it and burnish the contacts, but getting a new motor is still possible. 2008/10/15 T. Ribbrock : > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 02:53:51PM -0500, Tom Brucker wrote: > [...] >> The common failure is in the reel >> motor itself, which stops working about 20 minutes into playing a >> tape. There are links to web DIY essays on Naks.com, listed as >> 'cleaning reel motor brushes". The bad news is almost 50% of the gear >> drive motors are not repairable in this manner. > > Thank you, Pelle and Willy for the quick responses - that gives me a new > starting point to look into this problem. I'll try to free up some time > in the next week or two (agenda is pretty packed these days...) and I'll > check the suggestions you made - and report back. > > Thank you all kindly - this gives me some hope! :-) > > Regards, > > Thomas > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Thomas Ribbrock http://www.ribbrock.org > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 15 17:04:53 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:04:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BIC machine In-Reply-To: <110B3CA3-7055-45A3-ADAF-1BCA87952788@kvglabs.com> References: <093020080432.25457.48E1ABCF000A58AC0000637122228869349B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> <110B3CA3-7055-45A3-ADAF-1BCA87952788@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <101520081504.23673.48F606940002AB9A00005C7922243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> My experience was very similar. Most retail executives had no interest in engaging the client beyond steering him/her out the door with a box. Unfortunately, I never really had much hands on experience with flagship models as they represented miserly sales to a select few customers who were willing to pony up for the cost and thus were mostly self-informed. Interestingly I do have a few top Aiwa pieces however that are engineering marvels. Generally speaking, I would say each manufacturer during the 70-80's selected certain models as statement pieces meant to put on display brand innovation. And then peppered the rest of the line with a feature or two. Unfailingly, the executive office staff and store level managers were hard edged business men who really were there for no other reason than to make sure the folks on the sales floor followed whatever the company mantra was. Personal opinions and individuality were discouraged at all costs. In fact much effort was made to train the troops according to a set of rules called "the method". Any deviation was admonished and if found un-trainable were quickly dispatched and replaced by another asset. ------------- Original message from Kermit Gray : -------------- > Hi Guys, > > In the 1970s, briefly, I sold B*I*C as well as Nakamichi and several > other brands. I didn't want a career in stereo sales, but I wanted to > gain an insight into what different listeners preferred and why. The > B*IC decks weren't my best seller, but they sold quite a few. My > favorite brands was -- and still is -- Nakamichi, but you'd be > surprised at the number of customers who disliked Nakamichi and would > pass up the 550, 600-II, 700 or 1000 for a Pioneer CT-F9191, a top-end > Yamaha, or a top-model Aiwa! When I first began selling I tried to > talk the customer into a Nakamichi if their budget alloweed and would > really try to argue against the other brands. But my boss took me > aside and let me know loud-and-clear that my job wasn't to sell the > brand that I liked but to discover what the customer likes and sell > them what they preferred, regardless of my feelings on the matter. > When I told one customer he had a tin ear for preferring a Pioneer CT- > F9191 over the Nakamichi 600, I almost lost my job. The boss told me > that my choice was merely my opinion, the customer is entitled to his > opinions, and my opinion is no better than anyone else's opinion -- > there is no such thing as a "tin eared listener." My brief sales > career taught me valuable lessons that have served me well all these > many years. > > On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:32 PM, ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: > > > One merchants garbage is another pirates treasure! I watched in > > amazement recently a video where > > a warehouse disposed of thousands of cassettes. They contracted a > > disposal firm to hire a garbage > > truck, which backed up to the loading dock and sent NOS tape to the > > bowls of a land fill. I felt like crying. > > -------------- Original message from Tom Brucker > > >: -------------- > > > > Ahh, but it's GOOD garbage! Tests do not tell the story. Listen to > > music! > > > > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 17:46:06 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BIC machine In-Reply-To: <101520081504.23673.48F606940002AB9A00005C7922243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <425483.77567.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You are so right Dino. In sales, all that matters is selling. The more the gross profit dollar, irrespective of value or quality, the better it is for the core business. The dealers made more moola selling the Sonys, Akais, Pioneers en masse than moving Naks per se on a daily basis. The sales manager does not give a damn what the sales person sells as long as goals are met or beat and the bottom line is in black. I am sure most Nakamichi buyers in the 70s and 80s were self informed audiophiles who overcame all the sales talk of sales people to go get a Nak against all pressures against doing so. How lucky were those? I realized after 26 years of listening to JUNK sources what a Nak is ! Any Nak for that matter. Enjoy your music. Ram --- On Wed, 10/15/08, ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [naktalk] BIC machine To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 11:04 AM My experience was very similar. Most retail executives had no interest in engaging the client beyond steering him/her out the door with a box. Unfortunately, I never really had much hands on experience with flagship models as they represented miserly sales to a select few customers who were willing to pony up for the cost and thus were mostly self-informed.   Interestingly I do have a few top Aiwa pieces however that are engineering marvels. Generally speaking, I would say each manufacturer during the 70-80's selected certain models as statement pieces meant to put on display brand innovation. And then peppered the rest of the line with a feature or two.     Unfailingly, the executive office staff and store level managers were hard edged business men who really were there for no other reason than to make sure the folks on the sales floor followed whatever the company mantra was. Personal opinions and individuality were discouraged at all costs. In fact much effort was made to train the troops according to a set of rules called "the method". Any deviation was admonished and if found un-trainable were quickly dispatched and replaced by another asset.   ------------- Original message from Kermit Gray : -------------- > Hi Guys, > > In the 1970s, briefly, I sold B*I*C as well as Nakamichi and several > other brands. I didn't want a career in stereo sales, but I wanted to > gain an insight into what different listeners preferred and why. The > B*IC decks weren't my best seller, but they sold quite a few. My > favorite brands was -- and still is -- Nakamichi, but you'd be > surprised at the number of customers who disliked Nakamichi and would > pass up the 550, 600-II, 700 or 1000 for a Pioneer CT-F9191, a top-end > Yamaha, or a top-model Aiwa! When I first began selling I tried to > talk the customer into a Nakamichi if their budget alloweed and would > really try to argue against the other brands. But my boss took me > aside and let me know loud-and-clear that my job wasn't to sell the > brand that I liked but to discover what the customer likes and sell > them what they preferred, regardless of my feelings on the matter. > When I told one customer he had a tin ear for preferring a Pioneer CT- > F9191 over the Nakamichi 600, I almost lost my job. The boss told me > that my choice was merely my opinion, the customer is entitled to his > opinions, and my opinion is no better than anyone else's opinion -- > there is no such thing as a "tin eared listener." My brief sales > career taught me valuable lessons that have served me well all these > many years. > > On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:32 PM, ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: > > > One merchants garbage is another pirates treasure! I watched in > > amazement recently a video where > > a warehouse disposed of thousands of cassettes. They contracted a > > disposal firm to hire a garbage > > truck, which backed up to the loading dock and sent NOS tape to the > > bowls of a land fill. I felt like crying. > > -------------- Original message from Tom Brucker > > >: -------------- > > > > Ahh, but it's GOOD garbage! Tests do not tell the story. Listen to > > music! > > > > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 19:06:06 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:06:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BIC Machine Message-ID: <48f6228b.18038e0a.455a.0b74@mx.google.com> Let's please not turn this thread into a retailer bashing event. I owned and ran an audio shop all during the heyday of Nak decks and put lots of money into training sales staff to know the difference among pieces of equipment. The customers who came in looking for an education in audio were always very pleased - and almost always included a Nak deck with their systems. Still, I sold Yamaha, Marantz and a variety of other brands and was always amazed at how some customers were sure they knew better than any of us and ended up buying what Consumer Reports (in their infinite stupidity!) told them to buy. 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Roland From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 21:53:43 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:53:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] BIC Machine Message-ID: <16334277.1224100423535.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 22:03:41 2008 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BIC Machine In-Reply-To: <48f6228b.18038e0a.455a.0b74@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <941166.45601.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Hi Willy.   I am an avid fan of Consumer Reports, and have been reading it now for about 35 years. I will tell you a little piece of information that you might not know.   Back in the 80s, when Consumer Reports rated cassette decks, they used a reference standard deck that they compared and measured all their tested decks against.  What was their reference standard?  A Dragon.   All the best, Jayson --- On Wed, 10/15/08, WillyHerm wrote: From: WillyHerm Subject: [naktalk] BIC Machine To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 1:06 PM Let’s please not turn this thread into a retailer bashing event.  I owned and ran an audio shop all during the heyday of Nak decks and put lots of money into training sales staff to know the difference among pieces of equipment.  The customers who came in looking for an education in audio were always very pleased – and almost always included a Nak deck with their systems.  Still, I sold Yamaha, Marantz and a variety of other brands and was always amazed at how some customers were sure they knew better than any of us and ended up buying what Consumer Reports (in their infinite stupidity!) told them to buy.  I know there were retailers who pushed the item with the highest margin no matter what, but there were also lots of us out there who were truly trying to do right by the client.   Willy========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 15 23:44:22 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BIC Machine In-Reply-To: <48f6228b.18038e0a.455a.0b74@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <712663.42527.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Willy, You must have been working for that audio" Boutique", if I may, or you may call it the high end stereo shop. Thats where I auditioned B&W, McIntosh etc... before making up my mind as to what I liked. Most stores that carried many brands always touted the brands the retailer made more profit on! this still continues, and sincerely I am speaking the truth, not bashing any retailer. I am a retailer myself now! :)) Regards, ram --- On Wed, 10/15/08, WillyHerm wrote: From: WillyHerm Subject: [naktalk] BIC Machine To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 1:06 PM Let’s please not turn this thread into a retailer bashing event.  I owned and ran an audio shop all during the heyday of Nak decks and put lots of money into training sales staff to know the difference among pieces of equipment.  The customers who came in looking for an education in audio were always very pleased – and almost always included a Nak deck with their systems.  Still, I sold Yamaha, Marantz and a variety of other brands and was always amazed at how some customers were sure they knew better than any of us and ended up buying what Consumer Reports (in their infinite stupidity!) told them to buy.  I know there were retailers who pushed the item with the highest margin no matter what, but there were also lots of us out there who were truly trying to do right by the client.   Willy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 16 00:46:25 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:46:25 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] BIC Machine Message-ID: <9293818.1224110785943.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Oct 16 04:23:56 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:23:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BIC Machine In-Reply-To: <941166.45601.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <941166.45601.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F6A5BC.4000602@verizon.net> Yes, Jayson, I remember that. Also, I found it interesting that we shouldn't 'turn this thread into a retailer bashing event', but it was OK to refer to Consumer Reports' infinite stupidity! It's quite true that Consumer Reports' recommendations are based on different considerations than fanatical audiophiles' (we do represent a small -- nay, tiny -- percentage of the population). That doesn't make them idiots. If anything, it shows they are smart. I wish I could offer this compliment to others. -- Ron jayson levitz wrote: > Hi Willy. > > I am an avid fan of Consumer Reports, and have been reading it now for > about 35 years. I will tell you a little piece of information that you > might not know. > > Back in the 80s, when Consumer Reports rated cassette decks, they used > a reference standard deck that they compared and measured all their > tested decks against. What was their reference standard? A Dragon. > > All the best, > Jayson > > --- On *Wed, 10/15/08, WillyHerm //* wrote: > > From: WillyHerm > Subject: [naktalk] BIC Machine > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 1:06 PM > > Let’s please not turn this thread into a retailer bashing event. > I owned and ran an audio shop all during the heyday of Nak decks > and put lots of money into training sales staff to know the > difference among pieces of equipment. The customers who came in > looking for an education in audio were always very pleased – and > almost always included a Nak deck with their systems. Still, I > sold Yamaha, Marantz and a variety of other brands and was always > amazed at how some customers were sure they knew better than any > of us and ended up buying what Consumer Reports (in their infinite > stupidity!) told them to buy. I know there were retailers who > pushed the item with the highest margin no matter what, but there > were also lots of us out there who were truly trying to do right > by the client. > > > > Willy > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Thu Oct 16 14:40:07 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:40:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BIC Machine In-Reply-To: <9293818.1224110785943.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9293818.1224110785943.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48F73627.3060504@marrscommunications.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 16 17:05:12 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:05:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] NAAC Message-ID: <19577847.1224169512804.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 18:44:21 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:44:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BIC Machine In-Reply-To: <48F6A5BC.4000602@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48f76ef4.14098e0a.10f3.2a66@mx.google.com> Weelllllll I wasn't going to speak up again but - here goes: I am out of the business now and I know it has changed in many ways but during the 70's and 80's I think Consumer Reports did more to harm my industry - the industry of bringing good affordable sound to the client - than any other single force. They used the same guidelines for judging audio components as they did cars or refrigerators - they ran specific tests and compared the numerical results. Anyone who has spent any time listening to audio equipment knows that our ability to quantify sound is pathetic. Using continuous sine waves we measure equipment which we then ask to process extremely complex waveforms. That methodology led Consumer Reports to come up with best buys which were nearly always dreadful sounding - and frequently extremely poorly built. Example: I for a very brief time carried Carver - which was built for specs. I could not afford to keep the line -- my clients frequently returned units as being broken because they couldn't believe they were would sound that bad when working as designed! Carver garnered 'best buy' status multiple times and made tons of money doing so. I am NOT a fanatical audiophile. I am and always was a pragmatic businessman who chose to make a living bringing the best quality I could offer to the market and building a reputation for selling better quality products and backing them with extended warranties. The sound quality differences among audio products are not reserved for the golden ear lunatics in the audiophile community (believe me - I have known many). These days even cheap and poorly built audio products don't sound that bad thanks to advances in technology but during the 80's the differences were much greater and there truly were bad sounding products. Sit down sometime with your non audiophile ears and listen to the differences between at Pioneer CT-F9191 - which specs fabulously - and the humble Nak 500. If you have made all your purchases based on Consumer Reports you may well have cheated yourself out of years of wonderful entertainment. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:24 PM To: jmlevitz at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BIC Machine Yes, Jayson, I remember that. Also, I found it interesting that we shouldn't 'turn this thread into a retailer bashing event', but it was OK to refer to Consumer Reports' infinite stupidity! It's quite true that Consumer Reports' recommendations are based on different considerations than fanatical audiophiles' (we do represent a small -- nay, tiny -- percentage of the population). That doesn't make them idiots. If anything, it shows they are smart. I wish I could offer this compliment to others. -- Ron jayson levitz wrote: Hi Willy. I am an avid fan of Consumer Reports, and have been reading it now for about 35 years. I will tell you a little piece of information that you might not know. Back in the 80s, when Consumer Reports rated cassette decks, they used a reference standard deck that they compared and measured all their tested decks against. What was their reference standard? A Dragon. All the best, Jayson --- On Wed, 10/15/08, WillyHerm wrote: From: WillyHerm Subject: [naktalk] BIC Machine To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 1:06 PM Let's please not turn this thread into a retailer bashing event. I owned and ran an audio shop all during the heyday of Nak decks and put lots of money into training sales staff to know the difference among pieces of equipment. The customers who came in looking for an education in audio were always very pleased - and almost always included a Nak deck with their systems. Still, I sold Yamaha, Marantz and a variety of other brands and was always amazed at how some customers were sure they knew better than any of us and ended up buying what Consumer Reports (in their infinite stupidity!) told them to buy. I know there were retailers who pushed the item with the highest margin no matter what, but there were also lots of us out there who were truly trying to do right by the client. Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 18:54:51 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:54:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BIC Machine In-Reply-To: <9293818.1224110785943.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48f7716b.18038e0a.6a57.2e05@mx.google.com> Thanks for your comments Tom. As you well know, anyone who wants to make lots of money should avoid being a service tech!! Let me correct my audio history for those interested. After spending years as a technician in the professional recording industry on the east coast, I started in the service department at The Sounding Board in Berkeley in '77 when the Nak 1000 original was current. In '79 I founded dB Audio with a partner. I split with him in '83 and returned to manage the service department of the Sounding Board for a couple of years. In '85 I founded San Francisco Stereo with a partner. All my stores and the Sounding Board held the Nakamichi franchise and I ran service and worked on equipment the whole time. I sold my interest in SF Stereo two years ago and have now returned to my favorite job ever - fixing Nakamichi cassette decks. Now I can do it for enjoyment and not as a living. Willy Hermann _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Tom Brucker Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:46 PM To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BIC Machine Willy had a very nice store! He began in service at dB Audio in Berkeley, where I met him (1980?), but moved down the street to the Yamaha/ADS/Nak dealer, first in service, and eventually into ownership. Proof that service techs charge too much money! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: shanti ramachandran Sent: Oct 15, 2008 4:44 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BIC Machine Willy, You must have been working for that audio" Boutique", if I may, or you may call it the high end stereo shop. Thats where I auditioned B&W, McIntosh etc... before making up my mind as to what I liked. Most stores that carried many brands always touted the brands the retailer made more profit on! this still continues, and sincerely I am speaking the truth, not bashing any retailer. I am a retailer myself now! :)) Regards, ram --- On Wed, 10/15/08, WillyHerm wrote: From: WillyHerm Subject: [naktalk] BIC Machine To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 1:06 PM Let's please not turn this thread into a retailer bashing event. I owned and ran an audio shop all during the heyday of Nak decks and put lots of money into training sales staff to know the difference among pieces of equipment. The customers who came in looking for an education in audio were always very pleased - and almost always included a Nak deck with their systems. Still, I sold Yamaha, Marantz and a variety of other brands and was always amazed at how some customers were sure they knew better than any of us and ended up buying what Consumer Reports (in their infinite stupidity!) told them to buy. I know there were retailers who pushed the item with the highest margin no matter what, but there were also lots of us out there who were truly trying to do right by the client. Willy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Thu Oct 16 22:16:53 2008 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (shorty at nznet.gen.nz) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:16:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk Digest, Vol 68, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: <200810161000.m9GA09MY015782@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: " You are so right Dino. In sales, all that matters is selling. The more the gross profit dollar, irrespective of value or quality, the better it is for the core business. The dealers made more moola selling the Sonys, Akais, Pioneers en masse than moving Naks per se on a daily basis. The sales manager does not give a damn what the sales person sells as long as goals are met or beat and the bottom line is in black. I am sure most Nakamichi buyers in the 70s and 80s were self informed audiophiles who overcame all the sales talk of sales people to go get a Nak against all pressures against doing so. How lucky were those? I realized after 26 years of listening to JUNK sources what "a Nak is ! Any Nak for that matter." That is a bit of a blanket statement which may be true of a Chain Store type retailer but certainly not the approach of a respectable HiFi store in my experience. In my time in retail, the basic margins across the products and brands were all similar so there was no great pecuniary advantage to be had pushing one brand over another. Our business was based on our own credibilities as a 'seller', and we all had our individual reputations to protect within the 'shop' name, so customers were never shoe-horned into some gear because it suited us!. We valued repeat business very highly. It appears to me that there is an undercurrent theme that anybody who wanted a tapedeck but didn't buy a Nakamichi was a cloth eared idiot. Some people liked the Nak sound and some didn't, and went on to buy a Tandberg, Aiwa, Akai, or Pioneer. They certainly weren't uninformed people, or deaf, just their preference which I can relate to. In fact I have met a few very well informed audiophiles (in their opinion), who I DO consider to be idiots... I can certainly relate to Kermit's experience,.. we had a young lad, a Terry, join us in the shop.. a magazine expert.. read everything, knew everything (ie: nothing practical), who proceeded to try and sell customers everything that he thought he liked!!. Both Terry and the customers would often get frustrated.. you know.. "you have to like this because the magazine said so, but the customers ears said different." After a bit of reprogramming via demonstrations he came right :o)... and went on to be a succesful Sales person. On the subject of Audiomags and reviewers.. via my own listening experiences you rapidly got to know which reveiwers you could relate to and those you couldn't. None of them (usually) are idiots, but do have to agree that there were odd exceptions. There were many reviewers whose opinions ( and that is what they are) I trusted because over time and with access to the same gear, I came to appreciate what our tastes were similar... There were other's I couldn't gel with with bit I didn't think less of them because of that, and a couple I thought WERE total idiots. I remember one UK mag doing one of it's 'famous' 10 tests on cassette decks.. 10 models at price points from 100 to 1000 pounds..reference was a 680ZX. As you can imagine, it wasn't a overly useful piece of journalism due to the price spread, and the cheaper decks obviously got 'slagged'. Also, the opening paragraph by the reviwer was a treatise on how he hated tape decks, tape deck users, the format etc..so that set the scene and said a lot for the Editor for selecting that reviewer and then publishing the rubbish, and why that particular mag didn't stand the test of time. Promotion of green felt pens and Belt magic foils also brings a chuckle 15 years later. Audio is nothing if not interesting.. regards, Martin From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Oct 17 01:16:31 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:16:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BIC Machine In-Reply-To: <48f76ef4.14098e0a.10f3.2a66@mx.google.com> References: <48f76ef4.14098e0a.10f3.2a66@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <48F7CB4F.9010004@verizon.net> WillyHerm wrote: > > Weelllllll I wasn't going to speak up again but -- here goes: I am > out of the business now and I know it has changed in many ways but > during the 70's and 80's I think Consumer Reports did more to harm my > industry -- the industry of bringing good affordable sound to the > client -- than any other single force. They used the same guidelines > for judging audio components as they did cars or refrigerators -- they > ran specific tests and compared the numerical results. > Consumer Reports' reviews are for the masses. They were/are the ultimate objectivists, so, of course, subjectivist audiophiles pooh-pooh them. Yet, everything they do is based on scientific principles, Their staff includes statisticians, engineers and technicians. They are not financially motivated. > > Anyone who has spent any time listening to audio equipment knows > that our ability to quantify sound is pathetic. Using continuous sine > waves we measure equipment which we then ask to process extremely > complex waveforms. > This is a common derogatory statement made against since single sine wave measurements, yet they are a valid characterization method. First, because 'linear systems' (which audio equipment is) pass each frequency with no regard to any other frequencies present in the signal. Second, because regardless of the complexity of an audio signal, it is *always* a combination of pure sine waves. Both statements above are contrary to intuitive thinking (shows you what 'intuitive thinking' is worth) but is quite true, as any engineer or physicist will attest. Anyone wishing to research this further, please look up the terms 'linear system', 'superposition' and 'Laplace (and/or Fourier) transform'. Loads of fun! The bottom line is that "Using continuous sine waves [to] measure equipment which we then ask to process extremely complex waveforms" is an excellent and valid way to test audio equipment. > That methodology led Consumer Reports to come up with best buys which > were nearly always dreadful sounding -- and frequently extremely > poorly built. Example: I for a very brief time carried Carver -- > which was built for specs. I could not afford to keep the line -- my > clients frequently returned units as being broken because they > couldn't believe they were would sound that bad when working as > This is true, but not due to CR's test methodology, but to their interpretation of results.and and their conclusions. For example, their camera tests satisfied everyone that wanted to take snapshots of family and friends, but not the few wishing to take artistic photos of the Grand Canyon. Likewise, their recommendations for audio equipment satisfied the man in the street that wanted 'a good sounding radio', but not owners of $25,000 (1970s dollars) systems. -- Ron > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Ron > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:24 PM > *To:* jmlevitz at yahoo.com; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] BIC Machine > > > > > Yes, Jayson, I remember that. Also, I found it interesting > that we shouldn't 'turn this thread into a retailer bashing event', > but it was OK to refer to Consumer Reports' infinite stupidity! > > It's quite true that Consumer Reports' recommendations are > based on different considerations than fanatical audiophiles' > (we do represent a small -- nay, tiny -- percentage of the > population). That doesn't make them idiots. If anything, > it shows they are smart. I wish I could offer this compliment > to others. > > -- Ron > > > > jayson levitz wrote: > > Hi Willy. > > > > I am an avid fan of Consumer Reports, and have been reading it now for > about 35 years. I will tell you a little piece of information that you > might not know. > > > > Back in the 80s, when Consumer Reports rated cassette decks, they used > a reference standard deck that they compared and measured all their > tested decks against. What was their reference standard? A Dragon. > > > > All the best, > > Jayson > > --- On *Wed, 10/15/08, WillyHerm / > /* wrote: > > From: WillyHerm > Subject: [naktalk] BIC Machine > To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" > > Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 1:06 PM > > Let's please not turn this thread into a retailer bashing event. > I owned and ran an audio shop all during the heyday of Nak decks > and put lots of money into training sales staff to know the > difference among pieces of equipment. The customers who came in > looking for an education in audio were always very pleased -- and > almost always included a Nak deck with their systems. Still, I > sold Yamaha, Marantz and a variety of other brands and was always > amazed at how some customers were sure they knew better than any > of us and ended up buying what Consumer Reports (in their infinite > stupidity!) told them to buy. I know there were retailers who > pushed the item with the highest margin no matter what, but there > were also lots of us out there who were truly trying to do right > by the client. > > > > Willy > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The more the gross profit dollar, > irrespective of value or quality, the better it is for the core business. > The > dealers made more moola selling the Sonys, Akais, Pioneers en masse than > moving > Naks per se on a daily basis. > > The sales manager does not give a damn what the sales person sells as long > as > goals are met or beat and the bottom line is in black. > > I am sure most Nakamichi buyers in the 70s and 80s were self informed > audiophiles > who overcame all the sales talk of sales people to go get a Nak against > all > pressures against doing so. > > How lucky were those? I realized after 26 years of listening to JUNK > sources what "a Nak is ! Any Nak for that matter." > > That is a bit of a blanket statement which may be true of a Chain Store > type retailer but certainly not the approach of a respectable HiFi store > in my experience. In my time in retail, the basic margins across the > products and brands were all similar so there was no great pecuniary > advantage to be had pushing one brand over another. Our business was based > on our own credibilities as a 'seller', and we all had our individual > reputations to protect within the 'shop' name, so customers were never > shoe-horned into some gear because it suited us!. We valued repeat > business very highly. > > It appears to me that there is an undercurrent theme that anybody who > wanted a tapedeck but didn't buy a Nakamichi was a cloth eared idiot. > Some people liked the Nak sound and some didn't, and went on to buy a > Tandberg, Aiwa, Akai, or Pioneer. They certainly weren't uninformed > people, or deaf, just their preference which I can relate to. > In fact I have met a few very well informed audiophiles (in their > opinion), who I DO consider to be idiots... > > I can certainly relate to Kermit's experience,.. we had a young lad, a > Terry, join us in the shop.. a magazine expert.. read everything, knew > everything (ie: nothing practical), who proceeded to try and sell > customers everything that he thought he liked!!. Both Terry and the > customers would often get frustrated.. you know.. "you have to like this > because the magazine said so, but the customers ears said different." > After a bit of reprogramming via demonstrations he came right :o)... and > went on to be a succesful Sales person. > > On the subject of Audiomags and reviewers.. via my own listening > experiences > you rapidly got to know which reveiwers you could relate to and those you > couldn't. None of them (usually) are idiots, but do have to agree that > there were odd exceptions. There were many reviewers whose opinions ( and > that is what they are) I trusted because over time and with access to the > same gear, I came to appreciate what our tastes were similar... There > were other's I couldn't gel with with bit I didn't think less of them > because of that, and a couple I thought WERE total idiots. > I remember one UK mag doing one of it's 'famous' 10 tests on cassette > decks.. 10 models at price points from 100 to 1000 pounds..reference was a > 680ZX. As you can imagine, it wasn't a overly useful piece of journalism > due to the price spread, and the cheaper decks obviously got 'slagged'. > Also, the opening paragraph by the reviwer was a treatise on how he hated > tape decks, tape deck users, the format etc..so that set the scene and > said a lot for the Editor for selecting that reviewer and then publishing > the rubbish, and why that particular mag didn't stand the test of time. > Promotion of green felt pens and Belt magic foils also brings a chuckle 15 > years later. > > Audio is nothing if not interesting.. > regards, > > Martin > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Fri Oct 17 14:33:01 2008 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:33:01 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Phono preamp Message-ID: Thanks to Hermit for suggesting the Borebly preamp kits and Bala on the Hiraga.I located the Borebly site and went Wow! at the information and Ug! as they are beyond my budget and expertise. I am planning to have a go at the Elliott P06 kit together with subsonic filter and power supply. The design looks very similar to the Bugle. I have yet to pick up a receiver though and get my ZX-9 back from service with JG. David >From: Kermit Gray >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phono preamp >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 6:32 PM >Hi David, >May I suggest Erno Borebly's truly excellent solid state phono >preamplifier kits? I've personally found these to be among the finest >sounding. In fact, they're so good that I cancelled the introduction >of my own solid state phono preamplifier, the Type 96EQ, and instead >refer people to Erno Borbely's work when I receive a > request for a >solid state phono preamplifier. http://www.borbelyaudio.com/ >products.asp lists his kits. Of course, for valve phono preamplifiers, >I'll put my Types 74EQ, 75EQ, 76EQ and 77EQ up against anything >without fear of being bested. From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 17 16:29:24 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:29:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] BIC Machine Message-ID: <22152220.1224253764308.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 00:22:23 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:22:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Replacing CR-7A reel motor In-Reply-To: <000301c9308f$0f4e8330$5451f842@borgcollective> Message-ID: <48f90fb2.20018e0a.78ea.6801@mx.google.com> I'd love to hear the instructions from Ron on this replacement. If he has a way to get at the reel motor mounting screws without taking the DD motor off I need to know! I've done it many times and have always removed the transport then the capstan motor. Good luck. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Don West Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 12:32 PM To: Nak Talk Subject: [naktalk] RE: Replacing CR-7A reel motor Any step by step tips available? I have the unit apart to a point, but have yet to get the reel motor mounting plate to come out. I'm thinking there's one more screw hidden by the DD motor assy, and getting that out of the way seems next to impossible if the 2 screws near the left/right lower front near the heads have to be removed, as they can't be accessed. I'm not interested in trial & error removal of the heads. Ron has emailed me previously and said the entire mechanism does not have to be removed to replace the reel motor, and that he's done the job in about a half hour....so what tip/trick am I missing? THANKS! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emgaron+naktalk at ribbrock.org Sat Oct 18 01:18:57 2008 From: emgaron+naktalk at ribbrock.org (T. Ribbrock) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 01:18:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] SOLVED?!: Cassette Deck 1.5 transport problems In-Reply-To: <48f4cdcc.1e048e0a.2f09.fffff187@mx.google.com> References: <20081014152512.GB23139@lancre.ribbrock.org> <48f4cdcc.1e048e0a.2f09.fffff187@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20081017231857.GA10133@esme.ribbrock.org> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 09:52:11AM -0700, WillyHerm wrote: > This sounds like a frequent problem which has to do with the motor which > drives the cog wheel and not the gear assembly. It is a brush style motor > and probably has a 'dead' spot on the armature. When the motor happens to > stop exactly at that spot it won't start again until you move it - even > slightly - from the 'dead' spot. You should be able to see slits in the > white plastic rear of the motor. Spray a small amount of contact cleaner in > those slots and run the motor in FF and REW for a minute or two. You will > probably have solved the problem. If not, the motor will need replacement. Well I'll be... Given my own experience, it never occurred to me to question the motor - but it seems that you folks were indeed spot on. After disassembly, I was wondering for a moment, as the reel motor in my Cassette Deck 1.5 does not have a white plastic rear (it looks very much like the one in this picture (the middle one, with the red and blue wire and the reddish paper-like plate on the backplate): http://www.nakamichi-schenk.nl/RepairsNaks_content/NakamichiCRserieE_files/image016.jpg (taken from Henk Schenk's excellent site)). After prying the "paper" a bit loose, I could, however, see a couple of small slits - big enough for a generous helping of contact cleaner (funny enough, I just rediscovered my Kontakt 60 last week...). Left it running for a while and then put in a C60. The transport went through one side of it without a hitch. Reassembled the deck and put it back with the rest of the equipment - it's now playing in the background as I write. I'm still wary whether this joy will last, but time will tell, I suppose - I'll probably spend some time over the next few days rediscovering some of my old tapes... :-) Thanks again for your help (the others who replied, too!)! Regards, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Ribbrock http://www.ribbrock.org "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" From psycho at rayhogan.net Sat Oct 18 02:25:54 2008 From: psycho at rayhogan.net (Hogan Ray) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:25:54 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] OZ Nak Refurbishers Message-ID: I seem to have lost the contact for Martin Short on this issue so I'll put it to the list. I have decided to have my BX-2 repaired and serviced as I may have a buyer in a mate of mine in Adelaide. I am hoping what I can get for this machine will cover refurbishment of the 480. Can you recommend a techie in Queensland or Adelaide (or elsewhere in Oz if reliable) who will give the appropriate "Nakamichi" care and attention? I suppose I could use the guy up on the Gold Coast here who sold me the 480, but I'm not convinced I'd get full value for money and the service I require. Also, any idea on the value of a refurbished BX-2 would be greatly appreciated. At the end of the day I'd be happy if it went to a new home at cost. Any advice you can give me in getting this project completed would be appreciated. Ray Hogan  Music is The Best -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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David >Message: 6 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:25:54 +1000 >From: Hogan Ray >Subject: [naktalk] OZ Nak Refurbishers To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > seem to have lost the contact for Martin Short on this issue so I'll put it to the list. >I have decided to have my BX-2 repaired and serviced as I may have a buyer in a mate of mine in Adelaide. >I am hoping what I can get for this machine will cover refurbishment of the 480. >Can you recommend a techie in Queensland or Adelaide (or elsewhere in Oz if reliable) who will give the appropriate "Nakamichi" care and attention? I suppose I could use the guy up on the Gold Coast here who sold me the 480, but I'm not convinced I'd get full value for money and the service I require. >Also, any idea on the value of a refurbished BX-2 would be greatly appreciated. At the end of the day I'd be happy if it went to a new home at cost. >Any advice you can give me in getting this project completed would be appreciated. >Ray Hogan From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Oct 18 22:11:37 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:11:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Replacing CR-7A reel motor In-Reply-To: <48f90fb2.20018e0a.78ea.6801@mx.google.com> References: <48f90fb2.20018e0a.78ea.6801@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <48FA42F9.7000706@verizon.net> Willy, your wish is my command, especially since expressed in such a jeering way (have you been talking to Kermit behind our back? :-) ) . I was planning to do it anyway, as part of a write up on Sankyo transport maintenance, but will tackle the reel motor topic next, just for you, as soon as I get some free time. Stay tuned. -- Ron WillyHerm wrote: > > I'd love to hear the instructions from Ron on this replacement. If he > has a way to get at the reel motor mounting screws without taking the > DD motor off I need to know! I've done it many times and have always > removed the transport then the capstan motor. Good luck. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Don West > *Sent:* Friday, October 17, 2008 12:32 PM > *To:* Nak Talk > *Subject:* [naktalk] RE: Replacing CR-7A reel motor > > > > Any step by step tips available? I have the unit apart to a point, but > have yet to get the reel motor mounting plate to come out. I'm > thinking there's one more screw hidden by the DD motor assy, and > getting that out of the way seems next to impossible if the 2 screws > near the left/right lower front near the heads have to be removed, as > they can't be accessed. I'm not interested in trial & error removal of > the heads. Ron has emailed me previously and said the entire mechanism > does not have to be removed to replace the reel motor, and that he's > done the job in about a half hour....so what tip/trick am I missing? > THANKS! > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jberger at well.com Sun Oct 19 00:27:15 2008 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Anyone have a spare spring for a 600? Message-ID: It seems I lost a spring somewhere between disassembly and assembly (didn't even remember taking it off), so I'm looking for one here. The original problem was that it was slow engaging the reels, and even slower engaging the motor with the reels when switching from forward to rewind. It turned out to be some stiffened whiteish grease under the idler wheel pivot. Anyway, it's the Lock Plate Slide Spring (#0c03897a), and its job is to unlock the keys when a tape is in and the door is shut. If you have the service manual, it's on page 40, figure 9.3, item #10. If anyone here has a 600 donor deck with this part, please let me know, and we'll see if we can work something out. And here I thought I had gotten so organized with this. I was using a Tektronix scope table that I had picked up for free at a yard sale (the owner said it had been his when he was working at Boeing during the Apollo project, and the styling fit the era). Very sturdy, on wheels, with a large padded lower shelf, a smaller tiltable upper table, a large drawer, and a power strip at the back. But that spring is out there somewhere. From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sun Oct 19 03:03:42 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 20:03:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone have a spare spring for a 600? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B11B7EB-C7A1-48B6-880D-13EDAF226415@kvglabs.com> Hi John, I have the very spring! Contact me off-list and we'll work something out. On Oct 18, 2008, at 5:27 PM, John Berger wrote: > It seems I lost a spring somewhere between disassembly and assembly > (didn't even remember taking it off), so I'm looking for one here. > > The original problem was that it was slow engaging the reels, and even > slower engaging the motor with the reels when switching from forward > to > rewind. It turned out to be some stiffened whiteish grease under the > idler wheel pivot. > > Anyway, it's the Lock Plate Slide Spring (#0c03897a), and its job is > to > unlock the keys when a tape is in and the door is shut. If you have > the > service manual, it's on page 40, figure 9.3, item #10. > > If anyone here has a 600 donor deck with this part, please let me > know, > and we'll see if we can work something out. > > And here I thought I had gotten so organized with this. I was using a > Tektronix scope table that I had picked up for free at a yard sale > (the > owner said it had been his when he was working at Boeing during the > Apollo > project, and the styling fit the era). Very sturdy, on wheels, with a > large padded lower shelf, a smaller tiltable upper table, a large > drawer, > and a power strip at the back. > > But that spring is out there somewhere. > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From jberger at well.com Sun Oct 19 03:59:07 2008 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Anyone have a spare spring for a 600? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fixed my own problem with a spring from a parts 480 that I had on the shelf. Well, it's a part 480 now, instead of a project deck... 600 is working fine now. On Sat, 18 Oct 2008, John Berger wrote: > It seems I lost a spring somewhere between disassembly and assembly > (didn't even remember taking it off), so I'm looking for one here. > > The original problem was that it was slow engaging the reels, and even > slower engaging the motor with the reels when switching from forward to > rewind. It turned out to be some stiffened whiteish grease under the > idler wheel pivot. > > Anyway, it's the Lock Plate Slide Spring (#0c03897a), and its job is to > unlock the keys when a tape is in and the door is shut. If you have the > service manual, it's on page 40, figure 9.3, item #10. > > If anyone here has a 600 donor deck with this part, please let me know, > and we'll see if we can work something out. > > And here I thought I had gotten so organized with this. I was using a > Tektronix scope table that I had picked up for free at a yard sale (the > owner said it had been his when he was working at Boeing during the Apollo > project, and the styling fit the era). Very sturdy, on wheels, with a > large padded lower shelf, a smaller tiltable upper table, a large drawer, > and a power strip at the back. > > But that spring is out there somewhere. > From willyherm at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 19:32:44 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:32:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Replacing CR-7A reel motor In-Reply-To: <48FA42F9.7000706@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48fb6ed3.1f588c0a.4db2.ffffa13c@mx.google.com> No jeer intended, Ron. I've done maybe hundreds of the gear replacements on that transport and never knew of a way to get the spooling motor plate off without pulling the DD capstan motor. Wish I'd known you fifteen years ago!! Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:12 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Replacing CR-7A reel motor Willy, your wish is my command, especially since expressed in such a jeering way (have you been talking to Kermit behind our back? :-) ) . I was planning to do it anyway, as part of a write up on Sankyo transport maintenance, but will tackle the reel motor topic next, just for you, as soon as I get some free time. Stay tuned. -- Ron WillyHerm wrote: I'd love to hear the instructions from Ron on this replacement. If he has a way to get at the reel motor mounting screws without taking the DD motor off I need to know! I've done it many times and have always removed the transport then the capstan motor. Good luck. _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Don West Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 12:32 PM To: Nak Talk Subject: [naktalk] RE: Replacing CR-7A reel motor Any step by step tips available? I have the unit apart to a point, but have yet to get the reel motor mounting plate to come out. I'm thinking there's one more screw hidden by the DD motor assy, and getting that out of the way seems next to impossible if the 2 screws near the left/right lower front near the heads have to be removed, as they can't be accessed. I'm not interested in trial & error removal of the heads. Ron has emailed me previously and said the entire mechanism does not have to be removed to replace the reel motor, and that he's done the job in about a half hour....so what tip/trick am I missing? THANKS! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20081015184804.GSZX23768.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20081015184804.GSZX23768.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <88DF2F44-5411-48B7-AE3B-81E386501E2C@kvglabs.com> Hi Roland, On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Roland wrote: > Did Nakamichi ever develop an 8 track recorder/player? Way back in > the mid 1970's, I had bought a Grundig 8 track recorder/player that > went for over $200, quite steep but did the job remarkably. > > Just curious if anyone knows if Nakamichi ever sold or developed a > performance 8 track? No, but I wish Nakamichi had made 8-track cartridge players or recorders. I bet they would have sounded far nicer than the Panasonic I had. The only "mobile" Nakamichi recorders I recall from the 1970s are the 250 cassette player, and the 350 and 550 recorders. I've heard tales of a Nakamichi reel-to-reel, but I've not been able to confirm that. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sun Oct 19 22:40:49 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:40:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 8 track? In-Reply-To: <88DF2F44-5411-48B7-AE3B-81E386501E2C@kvglabs.com> References: <20081015184804.GSZX23768.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> <88DF2F44-5411-48B7-AE3B-81E386501E2C@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <0fa601c9322a$f9d37590$ed7a60b0$@com> I seem to recall Nakamichi once made a R2R for another company, before they launched their own range of cassette decks. Anyone confirm this? Or did I dream it? -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:11 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 8 track? Hi Roland, On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Roland wrote: > Did Nakamichi ever develop an 8 track recorder/player? Way back in > the mid 1970's, I had bought a Grundig 8 track recorder/player that > went for over $200, quite steep but did the job remarkably. > > Just curious if anyone knows if Nakamichi ever sold or developed a > performance 8 track? No, but I wish Nakamichi had made 8-track cartridge players or recorders. I bet they would have sounded far nicer than the Panasonic I had. The only "mobile" Nakamichi recorders I recall from the 1970s are the 250 cassette player, and the 350 and 550 recorders. I've heard tales of a Nakamichi reel-to-reel, but I've not been able to confirm that. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From raydium at verizon.net Sun Oct 19 22:46:43 2008 From: raydium at verizon.net (ray moore) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:46:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! Message-ID: <000601c9322b$cc5561e0$2901a8c0@xp2006> Dug my Nakamichi CR-7A out of the closet where it has been for years and tried to fire it up today. Two issues: 1. When I put the cassette in and push play. Rewind or FF it will go into the mode, tape will not move and it goes back to stop. Observations: When I just power it on (tape deck) the reels do move for a second without the tape in it and I can see the take up pulley rotating all the time. Just no tape action in Play, RW or FF 2. The right lower Fade button is on all the time. All other functions and buttons seem to activate and work just no tape action. I took the tape door and inside plate off thinking Idler pulley but mine has a gear pulley instead of a Rubber idler. Anyone have any ideas on what is wrong? Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From angel9esoteric at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 22:53:02 2008 From: angel9esoteric at gmail.com (MD) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:53:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 8 track? In-Reply-To: <0fa601c9322a$f9d37590$ed7a60b0$@com> References: <20081015184804.GSZX23768.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> <88DF2F44-5411-48B7-AE3B-81E386501E2C@kvglabs.com> <0fa601c9322a$f9d37590$ed7a60b0$@com> Message-ID: <112a7fe30810191353x3529fd39p951728efe285b802@mail.gmail.com> Yes,they made around 10 models under Fidelia brand.The first one was "MagicTone"recorder,made in 1956.I have one Fidelia consumer model.Regards,M On 10/19/08, Graham A Nelson wrote: > I seem to recall Nakamichi once made a R2R for another company, before they > launched their own range of cassette decks. Anyone confirm this? Or did I > dream it? > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Kermit Gray > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:11 PM > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 8 track? > > > Hi Roland, > > On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Roland wrote: > >> Did Nakamichi ever develop an 8 track recorder/player? Way back in >> the mid 1970's, I had bought a Grundig 8 track recorder/player that >> went for over $200, quite steep but did the job remarkably. >> >> Just curious if anyone knows if Nakamichi ever sold or developed a >> performance 8 track? > > > No, but I wish Nakamichi had made 8-track cartridge players or > recorders. I bet they would have sounded far nicer than the Panasonic > I had. The only "mobile" Nakamichi recorders I recall from the 1970s > are the 250 cassette player, and the 350 and 550 recorders. > > I've heard tales of a Nakamichi reel-to-reel, but I've not been able > to confirm that. > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From notarbene at kvglabs.com Mon Oct 20 02:56:23 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:56:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 8 track? In-Reply-To: <112a7fe30810191353x3529fd39p951728efe285b802@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081015184804.GSZX23768.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> <88DF2F44-5411-48B7-AE3B-81E386501E2C@kvglabs.com> <0fa601c9322a$f9d37590$ed7a60b0$@com> <112a7fe30810191353x3529fd39p951728efe285b802@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi! Fidelia! Yes! The rumor is true then, although I guess there never were any Nakamichi-branded reel-to-reel. Anyone remember the excellent but often-overlooked Kenwood KW-6044 quadriphonic reel-to-reel? On Oct 19, 2008, at 3:53 PM, MD wrote: > Yes,they made around 10 models under Fidelia brand.The first one was > "MagicTone"recorder,made in 1956.I have one Fidelia consumer > model.Regards,M > > On 10/19/08, Graham A Nelson wrote: >> I seem to recall Nakamichi once made a R2R for another company, >> before they >> launched their own range of cassette decks. Anyone confirm this? >> Or did I >> dream it? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Kermit Gray >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:11 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 8 track? >> >> >> Hi Roland, >> >> On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Roland wrote: >> >>> Did Nakamichi ever develop an 8 track recorder/player? Way back in >>> the mid 1970's, I had bought a Grundig 8 track recorder/player that >>> went for over $200, quite steep but did the job remarkably. >>> >>> Just curious if anyone knows if Nakamichi ever sold or developed a >>> performance 8 track? >> >> >> No, but I wish Nakamichi had made 8-track cartridge players or >> recorders. I bet they would have sounded far nicer than the Panasonic >> I had. The only "mobile" Nakamichi recorders I recall from the 1970s >> are the 250 cassette player, and the 350 and 550 recorders. >> >> I've heard tales of a Nakamichi reel-to-reel, but I've not been able >> to confirm that. >> -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From willyherm at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 01:01:55 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:01:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! In-Reply-To: <000601c9322b$cc5561e0$2901a8c0@xp2006> Message-ID: <48fbbbfa.1f538c0a.55e4.ffffe2bb@mx.google.com> Ray - The problem is likely either a bad spot on your spooling motor or problems in the motor drive circuit. Try manually turning the motor and see if you begin to get action. If so the motor brushes can be spray cleaned with a contact cleaner like DeOxit through slits in the back of the motor. If that doesn't solve the problem either the motor is totally open or the motor drive transistors are open. The lower right Fade button is supposed to be on all the time. It fades out when the left button is pushed in record mode. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ray moore Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! Dug my Nakamichi CR-7A out of the closet where it has been for years and tried to fire it up today. Two issues: 1. When I put the cassette in and push play. Rewind or FF it will go into the mode, tape will not move and it goes back to stop. Observations: When I just power it on (tape deck) the reels do move for a second without the tape in it and I can see the take up pulley rotating all the time. Just no tape action in Play, RW or FF 2. The right lower Fade button is on all the time. All other functions and buttons seem to activate and work just no tape action. I took the tape door and inside plate off thinking Idler pulley but mine has a gear pulley instead of a Rubber idler. Anyone have any ideas on what is wrong? Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 20 06:31:51 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 8 track? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <498434.44599.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Kermit,   Kenwood, like Technics, made top notch reel to reel equipment that went unnoticed. Most people remember Teacs, Akai and Pioneer as some of the most popular consumer reel to reel decks. Do you have this particular model? --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Kermit Gray wrote: From: Kermit Gray Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 8 track? To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 8:56 AM Hi! Fidelia! Yes! The rumor is true then, although I guess there never were any Nakamichi-branded reel-to-reel. Anyone remember the excellent but often-overlooked Kenwood KW-6044 quadriphonic reel-to-reel? On Oct 19, 2008, at 3:53 PM, MD wrote: > Yes,they made around 10 models under Fidelia brand.The first one was > "MagicTone"recorder,made in 1956.I have one Fidelia consumer > model.Regards,M > > On 10/19/08, Graham A Nelson wrote: >> I seem to recall Nakamichi once made a R2R for another company, >> before they >> launched their own range of cassette decks. Anyone confirm this? >> Or did I >> dream it? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On >> Behalf >> Of Kermit Gray >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:11 PM >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 8 track? >> >> >> Hi Roland, >> >> On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Roland wrote: >> >>> Did Nakamichi ever develop an 8 track recorder/player? Way back in >>> the mid 1970's, I had bought a Grundig 8 track recorder/player that >>> went for over $200, quite steep but did the job remarkably. >>> >>> Just curious if anyone knows if Nakamichi ever sold or developed a >>> performance 8 track? >> >> >> No, but I wish Nakamichi had made 8-track cartridge players or >> recorders. I bet they would have sounded far nicer than the Panasonic >> I had. The only "mobile" Nakamichi recorders I recall from the 1970s >> are the 250 cassette player, and the 350 and 550 recorders. >> >> I've heard tales of a Nakamichi reel-to-reel, but I've not been able >> to confirm that. >> -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raydium at verizon.net Mon Oct 20 12:56:22 2008 From: raydium at verizon.net (ray moore) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:56:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! In-Reply-To: <48fbbbfa.1f538c0a.55e4.ffffe2bb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000001c932a2$7e17a7a0$2901a8c0@xp2006> Thanks Willy I'll attempt to try and spin the motor, I do have some spray electrical contact cleaner I could try. A dumb question, is the spooler motor the motor that drives the idler gear, I just want to make sure I'm trying the right motor. I hope that's the problem as It was working when I stuck it away so if the motor's been sitting for years it could have oxidized on the brushes. Thanks Ray _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of WillyHerm Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 7:02 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! Ray - The problem is likely either a bad spot on your spooling motor or problems in the motor drive circuit. Try manually turning the motor and see if you begin to get action. If so the motor brushes can be spray cleaned with a contact cleaner like DeOxit through slits in the back of the motor. If that doesn't solve the problem either the motor is totally open or the motor drive transistors are open. The lower right Fade button is supposed to be on all the time. It fades out when the left button is pushed in record mode. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ray moore Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! Dug my Nakamichi CR-7A out of the closet where it has been for years and tried to fire it up today. Two issues: 1. When I put the cassette in and push play. Rewind or FF it will go into the mode, tape will not move and it goes back to stop. Observations: When I just power it on (tape deck) the reels do move for a second without the tape in it and I can see the take up pulley rotating all the time. Just no tape action in Play, RW or FF 2. The right lower Fade button is on all the time. All other functions and buttons seem to activate and work just no tape action. I took the tape door and inside plate off thinking Idler pulley but mine has a gear pulley instead of a Rubber idler. Anyone have any ideas on what is wrong? Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 17:38:47 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:38:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! In-Reply-To: <000001c932a2$7e17a7a0$2901a8c0@xp2006> Message-ID: <48fca686.02578c0a.648f.2178@mx.google.com> Ray - Yes, the spooling motor drives the idler gear which in turn drives the take up or supply hubs depending on which direction the motor turns. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ray moore Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 3:56 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! Thanks Willy I'll attempt to try and spin the motor, I do have some spray electrical contact cleaner I could try. A dumb question, is the spooler motor the motor that drives the idler gear, I just want to make sure I'm trying the right motor. I hope that's the problem as It was working when I stuck it away so if the motor's been sitting for years it could have oxidized on the brushes. Thanks Ray _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of WillyHerm Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 7:02 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! Ray - The problem is likely either a bad spot on your spooling motor or problems in the motor drive circuit. Try manually turning the motor and see if you begin to get action. If so the motor brushes can be spray cleaned with a contact cleaner like DeOxit through slits in the back of the motor. If that doesn't solve the problem either the motor is totally open or the motor drive transistors are open. The lower right Fade button is supposed to be on all the time. It fades out when the left button is pushed in record mode. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ray moore Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! Dug my Nakamichi CR-7A out of the closet where it has been for years and tried to fire it up today. Two issues: 1. When I put the cassette in and push play. Rewind or FF it will go into the mode, tape will not move and it goes back to stop. Observations: When I just power it on (tape deck) the reels do move for a second without the tape in it and I can see the take up pulley rotating all the time. Just no tape action in Play, RW or FF 2. The right lower Fade button is on all the time. All other functions and buttons seem to activate and work just no tape action. I took the tape door and inside plate off thinking Idler pulley but mine has a gear pulley instead of a Rubber idler. Anyone have any ideas on what is wrong? Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From west at netgate.net Mon Oct 20 21:14:12 2008 From: west at netgate.net (Don West) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:14:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: CR-7A reel motor con't In-Reply-To: <200810201000.m9KA0TIT028537@zxe.naks.com> References: <200810201000.m9KA0TIT028537@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <001201c932e8$0927bb10$a501a8c0@hellcat> Gee, I don't want to start any feather ruffling discussions :) >From what I could see, yes, the DD motor needs to come out, or at least out of the way for the reel motor plate, not necessarily taking out the entire transport assy, which is what I believe Ron is saying. It can be done without the transport coming out. I'm anxiously awaiting his tips on getting the DD out, what with 2 screws fairly hidden behind the head stack. And it seems another CR-7A is having trouble as posted on the list....well, let's get that one fixed, too; they're great machines ;) I did get a new reel motor, and if by chance I just can't get to it myself, not able to access those screws, and certainly not interested in tearing out the transport and heads, who can you recommend that might be willing to take on the task? From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Oct 21 01:22:57 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:22:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Test tape questions Message-ID: So I now have the DA09007 tape; the magic 1kHz azimuth tape. However, it's a DA09007C. It looks like the "B" version came out about the time of the Dragon/ZX-9 series. Does anyone know what the differences are between the different versions (the instructions for the dragon do not show it to be used any differently than for older machines, i.e., nothing about the auto-reverse playback)? A second question is, 'how does the 15kHz azimuth tape differ from the 15kHz pb freq response tape (I'm guessing a level difference, but what is that difference if so)? Thanks in advance.-kby From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 21 14:56:48 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:56:48 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Test tape questions Message-ID: <6698957.1224593808098.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> KBY, My 9007A has no date. My 9007B has 1986 on it. I don't know the significence of the C, however Tom Majerus believes the C tapes were made on ZX cassettes. Azimuth and level tapes are sorted based on best phase match between channels and closest level match. Many of the level tapes are +- 0.2dB or better. If you do not plan to relap 700, 1000, or 600 decks, then the 15kHz level tape may be used for azimuth. The 20kHz level tape is one of a kind, and ought to be kept on the shelf. By the way, I have tested 3 versions of Tom Majerus' 400Hz dolby level tapes that he has created in his lab. I have found them to be exact in level and perfectly matched between tapes. I know he has plans to sell these to NakTalkers, but has yet to post. The Dolby level tape is essential for matching play and meter levels between decks in a large collection. 1dB miscalibration in play level destroys Dolby C frequency response, and is audible in Dolby B. It is also useful to know what each set of Vu meters indicate relative to Dolby level. Between Tandberg meters at -3 and most Japanese decks' meters at +3, there exists a suprising variation in playback levels. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: "Kimo B. Yap" >Sent: Oct 20, 2008 6:22 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Test tape questions > >So I now have the DA09007 tape; the magic 1kHz azimuth tape. However, >it's >a DA09007C. It looks like the "B" version came out about the time of >the Dragon/ZX-9 series. >Does anyone know what the differences are between the different >versions (the instructions for the >dragon do not show it to be used any differently than for older >machines, i.e., nothing about the >auto-reverse playback)? > >A second question is, 'how does the 15kHz azimuth tape differ from >the 15kHz pb freq response tape (I'm >guessing a level difference, but what is that difference if so)? > >Thanks in advance.-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From mikemaxcel at gmail.com Tue Oct 21 16:25:23 2008 From: mikemaxcel at gmail.com (Mikemaxcel) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:25:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak670ZX _help needed to cure the `sickness` Message-ID: Just bought a used Nak670ZX from ebay with almost no signal out when playback! 1.the mechanism is functioning normally, 2.No problem with signal in from source, 3.During playback normal signal level is confirmed for both channels from head inputs till Dolbys out. And no open circuit found for the connecting wires(FC-3，FC-4). Where is the `broken arrow` that caused this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Oct 21 20:10:37 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:10:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Test tape questions Message-ID: > KBY, > My 9007A has no date. My 9007B has 1986 on it. I don't know the > significence of the C, however Tom Majerus believes the C tapes > were made on ZX cassettes. Azimuth and level tapes are sorted > based on best phase match between channels and closest level > match. Many of the level tapes are +- 0.2dB or better. If you do > not plan to relap 700, 1000, or 600 decks, then the 15kHz level > tape may be used for azimuth. The 20kHz level tape is one of a > kind, and ought to be kept on the shelf. > > By the way, I have tested 3 versions of Tom Majerus' 400Hz dolby > level tapes that he has created in his lab. I have found them to be > exact in level and perfectly matched between tapes. I know he has > plans to sell these to NakTalkers, but has yet to post. The Dolby > level tape is essential for matching play and meter levels between > decks in a large collection. 1dB miscalibration in play level > destroys Dolby C frequency response, and is audible in Dolby B. It > is also useful to know what each set of Vu meters indicate relative > to Dolby level. Between Tandberg meters at -3 and most Japanese > decks' meters at +3, there exists a suprising variation in playback > levels. > > tom brucker > Thanks Tom. The "9007C" tape doesn't say anything about being done on ZX, although that doesn't mean it isn't. I might be able to get a date on it. The signal appears to be a pulsed signal, as opposed to a steady one, if that is different. The shell looks like a Maxell shell of the old silver label UDXL-I/gold label UDXL-II variety (late '70s, early '80s; what I think of as the "classic" Maxell shell) not TDK as I would have expected from the alleged close relationship with TDK mentioned in previous posts on ZX/ EX/SX tapes). The labelling is more subtle, rather than the full face mask in the picture on Scott's site. It does look to be "real" nakamichi labelling even though the paper card on the case I got it in is not original.-kby From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 17:30:41 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Docorder R2R free In-Reply-To: <112a7fe30810191353x3529fd39p951728efe285b802@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18851.71199.qm@web82305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, My wife bought a "Do-corder 8010" reel to reel at a yard sale for $5.  They told her it works but you know how that goes.  If anyone wants it, it's free. Just pay for the shipping and packing which would be quite expensive since this thing is big and heavy.  I can e-mail a picture if anyone's interested (2 meg file).  The deck powers up, will FF or REW (one or the other), and the VU meters stay at half scale.  E-mail me off line  wotbob01 at yahoo.com Bob N PS  If no one wants it, it's going in the trash. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wotbob01 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 21:01:27 2008 From: wotbob01 at yahoo.com (Bob Naylor) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Do-corder free In-Reply-To: <48F7CB4F.9010004@verizon.net> Message-ID: <315297.80986.qm@web82301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Do-corder is spoken for.  Bob N -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Thu Oct 23 01:47:47 2008 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (shorty at nznet.gen.nz) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:47:47 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: nakamichi test tapes In-Reply-To: <200810221000.m9MA0CB3004687@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: "Thanks Tom. The "9007C" tape doesn't say anything about being done on ZX, although that doesn't mean it isn't. I might be able to get a date on it. The signal appears to be a pulsed signal, as opposed to a steady one, if that is different. The shell looks like a Maxell shell of the old silver label UDXL-I/gold label UDXL-II variety (late '70s, early '80s; what I think of as the "classic" Maxell shell) not TDK as I would have expected from the alleged close relationship with TDK mentioned in previous posts on ZX/ EX/SX tapes). The labelling is more subtle, rather than the full face mask in the picture on Scott's site. It does look to be "real" nakamichi labelling even though the paper card on the case I got it in is not original.-kby" Kby ..for what it is worth, as far I can remember my 'A' and 'B' test tapes were in TDK shells, and my 'C' tapes in Maxell shells. It'll be a month or so before my stuff arrives back from Oz to check definitely though! cheers, Martin From robertweber at telus.net Thu Oct 23 04:00:58 2008 From: robertweber at telus.net (ROBERT WEBER) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:00:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 RECORD HEAD-lapping the head Message-ID: Hello, I was shocked to find that the recordings made on this 22-year old sounded horrible (playback sounds fine). So I looked at the record head and it shows some uneven wear. I adjusted the height of the head and it made a big improvement in the sound. I also had the bias tweeked. I am still concerned that the head is less than par. Does anyone have any experience in relapping the heads? Is there a home relapping kit? Do some metal polishers work? Thanks for your assistance. From david.dixon at mypostoffice.co.uk Thu Oct 23 11:43:57 2008 From: david.dixon at mypostoffice.co.uk (david.dixon at mypostoffice.co.uk) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:43:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] bx300 Message-ID: <000801c934f3$df524d60$0200a8c0@n4j0rowm1tvqcm> Hi. I have a bx300.Now and again the cassette door refuses to open.The tape will not rewind so i assume the heads are locked in play.If i fiddle with it long enough the door will open. What is the correct proceedure for opening the door in these instances and what is the proper remedy for the problem? Thank You. David Dixon. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Thu Oct 23 14:22:38 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:22:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] bx300 In-Reply-To: <000801c934f3$df524d60$0200a8c0@n4j0rowm1tvqcm> References: <000801c934f3$df524d60$0200a8c0@n4j0rowm1tvqcm> Message-ID: <49006C8E.3050906@yahoo.ca> Hi, you can turn the cam motor's (perpendicular to the two others) worm gear a little bit while it's powered on and the motor should start turning again. If it doesn't, turn the worm gear manually until the heads are down. The motor probably needs to be rebuilt, it's not something too complex to do. david.dixon at mypostoffice.co.uk a écrit : > Hi. I have a bx300.Now and again the cassette door refuses to open.The > tape will not rewind so i assume the heads are locked in play.If i > fiddle with it long enough the door will open. What is the correct > proceedure for opening the door in these instances and what is the > proper remedy for the problem? Thank You. David Dixon. From bob31411 at msn.com Thu Oct 23 14:24:46 2008 From: bob31411 at msn.com (Bobby Crabtree) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:24:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] bx300 References: <000801c934f3$df524d60$0200a8c0@n4j0rowm1tvqcm> Message-ID: Hi David, I sounds like you have a cam sticking. It is a white/cream colored cam that is located directly in back of the tape compartment to the right. (If I remember correctly. I am not in front of my unit right now). If you remove the cover of the cassette deck, you should be able to see it and if you can very carefully "assist" it to turn, you will be able to get the tape heads to unload. Watch out for the small metal tabs that are near this cam. They are fragile. My BX-300 has the same problem right now, but mine may be in a bit worse shape than yours. It is consistently sticking and not unloading the heads. I am waiting to send my deck to Andy (also on this list) here in the states for repair. Hope this helps. I'm sure others on the list may have a more technically correct description of what to do. Hopefully they will respond as well. Good luck. Bobby ----- Original Message ----- From: david.dixon at mypostoffice.co.uk To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 4:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] bx300 Hi. I have a bx300.Now and again the cassette door refuses to open.The tape will not rewind so i assume the heads are locked in play.If i fiddle with it long enough the door will open. What is the correct proceedure for opening the door in these instances and what is the proper remedy for the problem? Thank You. 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URL: From shoeihell at yahoo.com Thu Oct 23 16:47:49 2008 From: shoeihell at yahoo.com (Kevin Fetner) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: BX 300 RECORD HEAD-lapping the head In-Reply-To: <200810231002.m9NA0rj6006832@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <690228.63775.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Wow, from what I understand unless the 300 is different, Nak heads are supposed to last somewhere in the neighborhood of ten thousand hrs. If that's true, you have some serious hrs on that machine. Heads can be re-lapped if there is enough material like in pro R2R's, but if not, they don't last very long. Hopefully, someone has a spare record head, or can give you better insight on Nak cassette head re-lapping. On the asylum tape trail, a member re-lapped his heads given some advice from some old studio engineers on there, but they were R2R heads. Of course if you do this successfully, the head will have to be realigned and tested with the proper Nak equipment-doing it by ear will never make it factory spec. Kevin Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:00:58 -0700 From: ROBERT WEBER Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 RECORD HEAD-lapping the head To: naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello, I was shocked to find that the recordings made on this 22-year old sounded horrible (playback sounds fine). So I looked at the record head and it shows some uneven wear. I adjusted the height of the head and it made a big improvement in the sound. I also had the bias tweeked. I am still concerned that the head is less than par. Does anyone have any experience in relapping the heads? Is there a home relapping kit? Do some metal polishers work? Thanks for your assistance. From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Oct 23 17:49:24 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:49:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Last call from B&W, England, for full Nak Service. Message-ID: <00b301c93526$ee0eb360$ca2c1a20$@com> B&W are about to give my ZX-9 the full-Monty service (not a renovation) Cost around £265. Delivery 3-4 weeks. So, if you are thinking about it, and feel this seems a reasonable cost (turnaround time is an excellent promise, and they delivered on time when the machine was last serviced) then you'd better ship the deck there a.s.a.p. because they shut up shop when they run out of parts, which they estimate will be around Spring 2009 Graham From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 23 22:37:54 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:37:54 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 RECORD HEAD-lapping the head Message-ID: <20265605.1224794274437.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Robert, Uneven wear is a sign of incorrect tilt. If one channel is significantly better than the other that is a second sign. Relapping requires a gauge set, and is best done with a track alignment tape, although for the record head, you might do without. I can perform relapping on any nakamichi. ESL has new heads. Kevin is correct, however, that a worn BX 300 has significant time on it. Given the average eBay selling prices it would be a better value to pick up a deck that way. Relapping makes sense on the 680 series, and the ZX7/9/ZXL. It is most often done on the 600,600II, 700, and 1000 as those heads are not as long lasting. Is there anyone else in our NakTalk technical family that can relap? If any technician is interested I can probably do some telephone training gratis. Relapping film is easily bought from fiber optics suppliers. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: ROBERT WEBER >Sent: Oct 22, 2008 9:00 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 RECORD HEAD-lapping the head > >Hello, > >I was shocked to find that the recordings made on this 22-year old >sounded horrible (playback sounds fine). So I looked at the record >head and it shows some uneven wear. I adjusted the height of the >head and it made a big improvement in the sound. I also had the bias >tweeked. I am still concerned that the head is less than par. Does >anyone have any experience in relapping the heads? Is there a home >relapping kit? Do some metal polishers work? > > > >Thanks for your assistance. > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Oct 25 11:59:14 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:59:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi Forums In-Reply-To: <006001c935b5$e18d3410$0301a8c0@Paul> References: <006001c935b5$e18d3410$0301a8c0@Paul> Message-ID: <00ca01c93688$57db93f0$0792bbd0$@com> Dear Paul Oh, shit! It would seem I have completely misunderstood your intentions. Evidently I have mistaken your letter calling for the return of the ZX-9's, in the context of what else said in your letter, as a notice for the impending withdrawal of service support for all Nakamichi decks, not just the ZX-9's. I read the second and third paragraphs of your letter to mean just that, where I interchanged "brand" and "decks" meaning the same thing! Also, I didn't think what you said when we spoke on the telephone contradicted this conclusion and is why we spoke of that other matter concerning surplus odd parts, jigs, etc.. Hence, when you also said you estimated running out of components in six months and would be unable to accept decks after Spring 2009 I thought it proper to warm my brothers on these two lists that they should get their decks in for a service el pronto. I offer my most sincere and humble apologies for having caused you such distress and hope this post to the forums corrects my error and any misunderstandings that have arisen. With kind regards, Graham Graham Nelson From: Classic Nakamichi [mailto:info at classic-nakamichi.com] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:53 AM To: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Nakamichi Forum Hi Graham We were shocked and alarmed to read this morning a notice posted by you on one of the forums in which you say that Nakamichi UK will be shutting up shop in the spring. This is simply not true and is certainly not what I told you yesterday. It is only the models ZX-7 and ZX-9 which will be difficult when the parts run out at some time in 2009. No other models are affected and we have no intention of 'shutting up shop' Could you please withdraw and/or correct this posting which is most misleading for Nakamichi owners. Kind Regards Paul Wilkins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Oct 25 13:14:14 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:14:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi Forums References: <006001c935b5$e18d3410$0301a8c0@Paul> Message-ID: <00fa01c93692$d434b940$7c9e2bc0$@com> I forgot to add, I am NOT mistaken in what I have said recently and many times before in this forum, which is that B&W offer excellent service in terms of their work and fast turnaround time, and I say this as always without fear or favour. Graham From: Graham A Nelson [mailto:grahamanelson at googlemail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:59 AM To: 'Classic Nakamichi' Cc: 'Naktalk at naks.com'; 'NakChatt at yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: Nakamichi Forums Dear Paul Oh, shit! It would seem I have completely misunderstood your intentions. Evidently I have mistaken your letter calling for the return of the ZX-9's, in the context of what else said in your letter, as a notice for the impending withdrawal of service support for all Nakamichi decks, not just the ZX-9's. I read the second and third paragraphs of your letter to mean just that, where I interchanged "brand" and "decks" meaning the same thing! Also, I didn't think what you said when we spoke on the telephone contradicted this conclusion and is why we spoke of that other matter concerning surplus odd parts, jigs, etc.. Hence, when you also said you estimated running out of components in six months and would be unable to accept decks after Spring 2009 I thought it proper to warm my brothers on these two lists that they should get their decks in for a service el pronto. I offer my most sincere and humble apologies for having caused you such distress and hope this post to the forums corrects my error and any misunderstandings that have arisen. With kind regards, Graham Graham Nelson From: Classic Nakamichi [mailto:info at classic-nakamichi.com] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:53 AM To: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Nakamichi Forum Hi Graham We were shocked and alarmed to read this morning a notice posted by you on one of the forums in which you say that Nakamichi UK will be shutting up shop in the spring. This is simply not true and is certainly not what I told you yesterday. It is only the models ZX-7 and ZX-9 which will be difficult when the parts run out at some time in 2009. No other models are affected and we have no intention of 'shutting up shop' Could you please withdraw and/or correct this posting which is most misleading for Nakamichi owners. Kind Regards Paul Wilkins -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Sat Oct 25 15:51:51 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:51:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nakamichi Forums In-Reply-To: <00fa01c93692$d434b940$7c9e2bc0$@com> References: <006001c935b5$e18d3410$0301a8c0@Paul> <00fa01c93692$d434b940$7c9e2bc0$@com> Message-ID: <20081025135147.LGWX4226.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Amen to that Gra' B&W gets favorable mention each and every time to/from our fellow Nakkers across the pond and nary a single incident of misfortune. At 07:14 AM 10/25/2008, you wrote: >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FB_01C9369B.35F92140" >Content-Language: en-gb > >I forgot to add, I am NOT mistaken in what I have said recently and >many times before in this forum, which is that B&W offer excellent >service in terms of their work and fast turnaround time, and I say >this as always without fear or favour. > >Graham > Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shorty at nznet.gen.nz Sat Oct 25 22:54:51 2008 From: shorty at nznet.gen.nz (shorty at nznet.gen.nz) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:54:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] B&W servicing In-Reply-To: <200810251004.m9PA49jM018800@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Phew, that is a big sigh of relief.... :o) I hate to see great servicing centres disappear, being entirely selfish about it!!... and Paul Wilkins is a great person to deal with. If I ever get back to the old country, I always intended to haul one of my decks with me to have her serviced by Paul and his team Martin From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Oct 25 22:56:20 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:56:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Replacing CR-7A reel motor In-Reply-To: <000301c9308f$0f4e8330$5451f842@borgcollective> References: <000301c9308f$0f4e8330$5451f842@borgcollective> Message-ID: <490387F4.8090303@verizon.net> Don, I apologize for the delay... This morning I finally went down to my 'lab' (actually, an old metal desk in the basement) and -- using both my CR-7 and an MR-1 parts deck -- re-enacted a reel motor removal. It turn*s* out that, no, you do not have to remove the transport from the deck, neither do you need to disturb the head block. You do, however, need to remove the capstan motor. That said, I do see Willy's point in recommending transport removal. There are three tricky steps in the description below (7, 8 and 10) that may become less tricky if you do. OTOH, transport removal does have its own difficulties, but that's another story :-). In the list of steps below, 'top' or 'right' refer to the deck normal orientation, as seen from the front. Also, numbers following part names refer to the designation numbers from Fig. 6.5, page 18 of the CR-7 service manual. I'll appreciate any comments/corrections/observations you may wish to make. So, here's what I did: 1. Remove top cover. *How:* remove two screws, 2 on each side. 2. Remove cassette well door. 3. Remove front part of the cassette case (24). *How:* remove 2 black countersunk head screws on the left. Hold the left side and pull forward and to the left to disengage. Note location of the spring on the left plastic bracket and make sure it's correctly positioned prior to reassembly 4. Remove the cassette back plate. *How:* remove 2 black screws from the top of the plate. The plate fits into slots in the cassette guides at the bottom of the well. Pull the top of the plate forward and up to disengage. 5. Remove the left hub. *How: *press down on the hub. This exposes a 3.2mm plastic washer -- pull it off, then remove the hub, a metal washer, a plastic spring holder and a spring, in this order. 6. In a similar fashion, remove the right hub. 7. The reel motor plate is held by 2 screws and a nut, all accessible from the rear. For now, remove the upper left screw and loosen (do not remove) the 4mm nut. You may use a 5/32" nut driver.The plate and motor will remain in place. 8. Mark the positive terminal of the reel motor with a dab of red paint, if not already so marked. Unsolder the motor leads. 9. dismount the capstan motor. It is held in place by 4 screws, all accessible from the front. *How: *put a piece of plastic sleeving on each capstan, for protection. Manually lift the head block as far as it will go and use a strong rubber band hooked to the post at the top to keep it in place. Top left screw is located under the left hub hole, a bit to the left. Top right screw is located about 1/2" above the right cassette guide. Lower right screw is located under the right pinch roller. Lower left screw is located under and to the left of the left pinch roller. Its head will be hidden under a segment of an L bracket (16). To expose the head (partially), push the L bracket segment down. Use a thin Philips #1 screwdriver. Once the capstan motor standoff is free, release the L bracket. This will keep the screw captive, so it will not fall out. 10. Remove the reel motor plate with the reel motor attached. *How: *Move the capstan motor back so as to permit access to the lower screw holding the reel motor plate in place. Use a right angle Philips #1 screwdriver. Loosen the screw (do not remove). 11. Replace reel motor. 12. Reassemble in reverse order. Good luck, -- Ron Don West wrote: > Any step by step tips available? I have the unit apart to a point, but > have yet to get the reel motor mounting plate to come out. I'm > thinking there's one more screw hidden by the DD motor assy, and > getting that out of the way seems next to impossible if the 2 screws > near the left/right lower front near the heads have to be removed, as > they can't be accessed. I'm not interested in trial & error removal of > the heads. Ron has emailed me previously and said the entire mechanism > does not have to be removed to replace the reel motor, and that he's > done the job in about a half hour....so what tip/trick am I missing? > THANKS! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kingd at usq.edu.au Sun Oct 26 07:08:44 2008 From: kingd at usq.edu.au (David King) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:08:44 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] B&W servicing In-Reply-To: References: <200810251004.m9PA49jM018800@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <8370BD385A161E4FBA974B13CB51647901324CC9@exchange1.usq.edu.au> Hi all Just wondering what parts in particular make the ZX-9 and ZX-7 an endangered species as compared to all or any other Nak decks? Regards David Phew, that is a big sigh of relief.... :o) I hate to see great servicing centres disappear, being entirely selfish about it!!... and Paul Wilkins is a great person to deal with. If I ever get back to the old country, I always intended to haul one of my decks with me to have her serviced by Paul and his team Martin ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the intended recipient(s) only. If you received this email by mistake, please, as a courtesy, tell the sender, then delete this email. The views and opinions are the originator's and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Southern Queensland. Although all reasonable precautions were taken to ensure that this email contained no viruses at the time it was sent we accept no liability for any losses arising from its receipt. The University of Southern Queensland is a registered provider of education with the Australian Government (CRICOS Institution Code No's. QLD 00244B / NSW 02225M) From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 18:25:09 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:25:09 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] B&W servicing Message-ID: <15115635.1225041910001.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Me too. I don't get it. The bias and level knobs are the most common unique parts in demand. tom brucker. -----Original Message----- >From: David King >Sent: Oct 26, 2008 12:08 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: RE: [naktalk] B&W servicing > >Hi all > >Just wondering what parts in particular make the ZX-9 and ZX-7 an >endangered species as compared to all or any other Nak decks? > >Regards > >David > > >Phew, that is a big sigh of relief.... :o) > >I hate to see great servicing centres disappear, being entirely selfish >about it!!... and Paul Wilkins is a great person to deal with. >If I ever get back to the old country, I always intended to haul one of >my >decks with me to have her serviced by Paul and his team > >Martin > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------======= >== > >This email (including any attached files) is confidential and is for the >intended recipient(s) only. 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Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From west at netgate.net Sun Oct 26 18:38:29 2008 From: west at netgate.net (Don West) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:38:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Reel motor procedure - Ron's Message-ID: <000301c93791$ab23de50$575bf842@borgcollective> Hi Ron: And a thousand thanks for posting that procedure. I will read it over and dive in when I think I've got it down. Should help other Nak owners, as servicing is getting tougher to find. I had been in touch with B&W btw, though my eventually shipping across the pond would probably be too expensive. I also spoke with a Canadian tech who confirmed the heads don't need disturbing (but he did not provide a step-by-step either). And I was just in touch with a friend who manages a recording studio in the area, wanting to know who he knew. Turns out he thinks he could tackle it if I have too many issues making it work, so there's hope yet :) Probably look at the deck again in the next few days. I'll post the results; and I have pictures of the system as I go. A site with procedures and photos would help us all! Don -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Sun Oct 26 21:04:09 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] B&W servicing In-Reply-To: <15115635.1225041910001.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <415414.25251.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I just had a ZX-7 serviced by Willy and I know he's done several of the ZX-7/9 lately. He never raised any concern about parts, but maybe that's because he throughly went through my deck and didn't see anything to worry about? He completely rebuilt the transport mechanism, replaced all belts and idler. It's now working like a new deck. Perhaps someone in contact with B&W can get a list of parts they are worried about? It might be that Willy or other techs have a replacement part for something that would keep B&W in the ZX-7/9 repair world. Or maybe there is something we should be worried about when it fails... David --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Tom Brucker wrote: > Me too. I don't get it. The bias and level knobs are the > most common unique parts in demand. > tom brucker. > From jksellman at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 26 21:37:20 2008 From: jksellman at sbcglobal.net (Jeff Sellman) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi, Willyherm et al. Message-ID: <868197.75576.qm@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Please let me add my two cents worth.  Willyherm is right on the money.  I have been involved in the audio industry for 40 years and before that I was an engineer for PBS. I have known and worked with Willy for over 25 years.  It has been his ( and my ) goal to offer people the best sound and value for the money they are/were willing to spend. Nakamichi had been one of the few manufacturers to follow that belief.  There has been much written over the decades about listening versus test bench results.  Nakamichi has excelled in both areas. I still keep two Naks in my audio system (Dragon and MB1000). Thanks to Willy, both work and sound as good as when they were new.   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Oct 27 00:06:38 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:06:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] B&W servicing References: <15115635.1225041910001.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <415414.25251.qm@web50512.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <063501c937bf$816f8360$844e8a20$@com> See below. Perhaps this may be of interest/use to B&W? Graham -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of fripp_em Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:04 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks; Tom Brucker Subject: RE: [naktalk] B&W servicing I just had a ZX-7 serviced by Willy and I know he's done several of the ZX-7/9 lately. He never raised any concern about parts, but maybe that's because he throughly went through my deck and didn't see anything to worry about? He completely rebuilt the transport mechanism, replaced all belts and idler. It's now working like a new deck. Perhaps someone in contact with B&W can get a list of parts they are worried about? It might be that Willy or other techs have a replacement part for something that would keep B&W in the ZX-7/9 repair world. Or maybe there is something we should be worried about when it fails... David --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Tom Brucker wrote: > Me too. I don't get it. The bias and level knobs are the > most common unique parts in demand. > tom brucker. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From west at netgate.net Tue Oct 28 02:50:54 2008 From: west at netgate.net (Don West) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:50:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A back on-line Message-ID: <000801c9389f$9e7a9900$895ef842@borgcollective> Thanks to Ron's tips and a fair amount of luck, I got the CR-7A'a reel motor replaced and am testing right now with everything sounding good so far. As I privately emailed to Ron my major problem was getting the DD motor screw on the lower right (when viewed from the front). It was stripping, and generally hard to access even with the recommended #1 Phillips (with a variety of thin shaft drivers I had available). My only choice (which thankfully worked) was to remove #45 ("azimuth alignment plate" - without disturbing any of the parts mounted on that plate). Very careful work indeed, but the motor got replaced and is running well, let's hope it stays that way! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From badanth at aim.com Tue Oct 28 13:15:20 2008 From: badanth at aim.com (badanth at aim.com) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:15:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A back on-line In-Reply-To: <000801c9389f$9e7a9900$895ef842@borgcollective> References: <000801c9389f$9e7a9900$895ef842@borgcollective> Message-ID: <8CB070DFB3B4915-E88-208F@WEBMAIL-MZ11.sysops.aol.com> Glad to hear you're up and running again. Kudos to Ron for another helpful hint! Anthony -----Original Message----- From: Don West To: Nak Talk Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 9:50 pm Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A back on-line Thanks to Ron's tips and a fair amount of luck, I got the CR-7A'a reel motor replaced and am testing right now with everything sounding good so far. As I privately emailed to Ron my major problem was getting the DD motor screw on the lower right (when viewed from the front). It was stripping, and generally hard to access even with the recommended #1 Phillips (with a variety of thin shaft drivers I had available). My only choice (which thankfully worked) was to remove #45 ("azimuth alignment plate" - without disturbing any of the parts mounted on that plate). Very careful work indeed, but the motor got replaced and is running well, let's hope it stays that way! ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raydium at verizon.net Wed Oct 29 00:47:36 2008 From: raydium at verizon.net (ray moore) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:47:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! In-Reply-To: <48fca686.02578c0a.648f.2178@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000301c93957$91edf980$a101030a@xp2006> It turned out the mechanism that raises the head assembly was just stuck, a gentle help and the mechanism rose up and everything seems fine now. I have played a tape through it and it seems fine. Believe it or not it's been so long since I used it I don't have a blank tape to record on. I will get one and test. I really will not use the tape deck so I am going to list it on EBAY if anyone wants it. Thanks Ray _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of WillyHerm Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:39 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! Ray - Yes, the spooling motor drives the idler gear which in turn drives the take up or supply hubs depending on which direction the motor turns. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ray moore Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 3:56 AM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! Thanks Willy I'll attempt to try and spin the motor, I do have some spray electrical contact cleaner I could try. A dumb question, is the spooler motor the motor that drives the idler gear, I just want to make sure I'm trying the right motor. I hope that's the problem as It was working when I stuck it away so if the motor's been sitting for years it could have oxidized on the brushes. Thanks Ray _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of WillyHerm Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 7:02 PM To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' Subject: RE: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! Ray - The problem is likely either a bad spot on your spooling motor or problems in the motor drive circuit. Try manually turning the motor and see if you begin to get action. If so the motor brushes can be spray cleaned with a contact cleaner like DeOxit through slits in the back of the motor. If that doesn't solve the problem either the motor is totally open or the motor drive transistors are open. The lower right Fade button is supposed to be on all the time. It fades out when the left button is pushed in record mode. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of ray moore Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! Dug my Nakamichi CR-7A out of the closet where it has been for years and tried to fire it up today. Two issues: 1. When I put the cassette in and push play. Rewind or FF it will go into the mode, tape will not move and it goes back to stop. Observations: When I just power it on (tape deck) the reels do move for a second without the tape in it and I can see the take up pulley rotating all the time. Just no tape action in Play, RW or FF 2. The right lower Fade button is on all the time. All other functions and buttons seem to activate and work just no tape action. I took the tape door and inside plate off thinking Idler pulley but mine has a gear pulley instead of a Rubber idler. Anyone have any ideas on what is wrong? Ray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.brodsky at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 09:15:50 2008 From: james.brodsky at gmail.com (James Brodsky) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:15:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100: free for parts Message-ID: <211ca5a30810290115p3b877782j564938e2212f5ee1@mail.gmail.com> I have a BX-100, black, intact, good faceplate, working transport, good heads that appears to have some sort of issue with either the record/play relay, orange caps, or both. The left channel is crackly during playback and the relay is inoperable so record mode doesn't work at all. You pay shipping, it's yours. I don't really mind shipping it internationally if you pay the cost, but I'd rather ship it within the US. Thanks. -jb From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 29 14:22:16 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:22:16 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] BX-100: free for parts Message-ID: <32446572.1225286536633.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> You can send it here to join the NakTalk donor units if no one else wants it. I can provide a UPS shipper number. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: James Brodsky >Sent: Oct 29, 2008 2:15 AM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] BX-100: free for parts > >I have a BX-100, black, intact, good faceplate, working transport, >good heads that appears to have some sort of issue with either the >record/play relay, orange caps, or both. The left channel is crackly >during playback and the relay is inoperable so record mode doesn't >work at all. > >You pay shipping, it's yours. I don't really mind shipping it >internationally if you pay the cost, but I'd rather ship it within the >US. > >Thanks. > >-jb >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Oct 29 15:29:07 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:29:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! In-Reply-To: <000301c93957$91edf980$a101030a@xp2006> References: <48fca686.02578c0a.648f.2178@mx.google.com> <000301c93957$91edf980$a101030a@xp2006> Message-ID: <17d5ee910810290729i46733760n5d4b82fcdf3183a8@mail.gmail.com> Interested! Antoine 2008/10/28 ray moore : > so I am going to list it on > EBAY if anyone wants it. > > > > Thanks > > Ray > From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Oct 29 16:22:57 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:22:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-100: free for parts In-Reply-To: <211ca5a30810290115p3b877782j564938e2212f5ee1@mail.gmail.com> References: <211ca5a30810290115p3b877782j564938e2212f5ee1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49087FD1.5000800@verizon.net> If still available, I'll be thankful to take it off your hands. -- Ron James Brodsky wrote: > I have a BX-100, black, intact, good faceplate, working transport, > good heads that appears to have some sort of issue with either the > record/play relay, orange caps, or both. The left channel is crackly > during playback and the relay is inoperable so record mode doesn't > work at all. > > You pay shipping, it's yours. I don't really mind shipping it > internationally if you pay the cost, but I'd rather ship it within the > US. > > Thanks. > > -jb > > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 29 17:13:39 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:13:39 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Opinions on the Nak 600 vs 600 II Message-ID: <20757960.1225296819591.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Late reply! The IM supression requires a distortion meter, however it ought to alter the sound of a sine wave enough to be audible. The VU meters wouldn't help. You would have to turn the control at a steady rate with an eye on the tape counter, then choose the best sounding position listening to the playback as noted on the counter. During record, rotate the pot "1 hour" for each 3 counts on the tape counter. Say the sine wave sounds cleanest at 15 on the counter. 15 corresponds with 10 o'clock setting on the control. Do each channel by itself. I find the IM has less effect on the better SX tapes than it does on the EX. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: ScHenk >Sent: Jul 14, 2008 2:08 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Opinions on the Nak 600 vs 600 II > >Tom, > >Still 7 decks 600 remain in my collection, but only one 600 II. > >The 600 I've heard and listened to for 25 years in very different circumstances, >but up to now I've not really been listening to the 600 II. Shame. > >The 600 II is rather rare. The first one I bought 2 years ago had electronic >problems resulting is oscillations. This one is now in repair. I traded it >recently for an other 600 II which had mechanically sticking pause button >and idler assembly. Now I've solved these I can give it a listen, but I will >first check the electronics to see if these are fault free. (I already cleaned >all connectors, releaving it from meter problems, and need to excange a >burned light bulp.) > >I expect the mechanism to be the same in both versions. I expect the electronics >to be likewise, but the adjustements has been made readily in reach for non-technically >skilled users. The IM distortion suppression has been dumped and the head >assembly is different. These two facts might have an influence on the sound. >Kermit reports the 600 has the edge, so this IM suppression thing may be >beneficial. > >I have NEVER tinkered with the IM suppression adjustments, because I have >no way of verifying the results but by ear. And I just didn't bother to much >because for two head designs these machines were already sounding incredibly >good. I didn't want to risk loosing that. > >Is there a smart way to adjust this IM suppression? (With just a tone generator >and VU meters at my disposal) > >Happy listening, >Henk Schenk >www.nakamichi-schenk.nl > >>Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 06:37:32 -0500 (GMT-05:00) >>From: Tom Brucker >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 >>To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , >> naktalk at naks.com >>Message-ID: >> <6285204.1215862652386.JavaMail.root at elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >>600 and 600II are quite different. Anyone care to comment? >>Heads for all three decks are relappable if worn. They will show wear grooves. >>If you can catch your fingernail in a groove it is time for service. >>tom brucker >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: ScHenk >>>Sent: Jul 11, 2008 10:21 AM >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: [naktalk] Re: Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 >>> >>>Roland, >>> >>>The Nakamichi 600 (and vs. II) is still an admirable performer. This is >>a >>>rugged and mechanically strong machine. The electronics is its strongest >>>feat (and possibly the head) giving it a smooth and detailed sound. The >>W&F >>>(possibly tape path travel) is it's weak point. >>>Measurements are nice but not exceptional and do it's sound performance >>no >>>justice. >>>The 600 were bought by serious music lovers in the high days of the cassette >>>medium, so these 600's were often used for many hours. Therefor you will >>>find many 600 machines with much wear. These machines might still play >but >>>performance may have suffered. A mint specimun can be found from time to >>>time and can show the full potential of this very fine cassette deck. >>> >>>The Nakamichi 1000 (and vs. II but not the ZXL) is still a top notch performer, >>>rugged and strong. Electronics are very good sounding and it's three heads >>>are magnificient for the job. Sound is smooth, detailed and spacey in a >>high >>>end like way. Tape travel and W&F are superb, soundwise. Measurements again >>>do not really show all of it's capacity soundwise. >>> This was the flagship of the Nakamichi line and designed to explore the >>>possibilities of the cassette medium. As a flagship it was bought by the >>>luckier people who were not always heavy users of cassettes. As a result >>>there are a reasonable number of the original 1000's in very healthy shape >>>to be found. >>> >>>The 1000 ZXL is a completely different animal, super performer when in >super >>>good condition, but alas fault prone. >>> >>>Happy listening, >>>Henk Schenk >>>Netherlands >>>www.nakamichi-schenk.nl >>> >>>>From: Roland >>>>Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on the Nak 600 or 1000 >>>>To: Nakamichi tapedecks >>>>Message-ID: >>>> <20080710201055.MJAM2096.eastrmmtao104.cox.net at eastrmimpo02.cox.net> >>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>>> >>>>I see the 600 pops up rather frequently and I was just curious if >>>>anyone here owns one and do they have an opinion? >>>> >>>>I know it's a two head deck but I just find the look rather >>>>interesting in that it has the studio console look. I also see the >>>>1000 and 1000 II show up frequently. >>>> >>>>Is the 1000 a costly machine to own? Meaning, is it a troublesome or > >>>>finicky machine to own as far as staying in spec? >>>> >>>>I'm really just looking for opinions of those who own the 600 or the 1000. >>>> >>>>Roland >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>>Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >>>========---------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >>Hi Tech Service >>2934 Nolensville Rd. >>Nashville, TN 37211 >>hitech77 at earthlink.net >>hitech at bellsouth.net >>615-331-9241 >> >> > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Oct 29 19:28:00 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:28:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Opinions on the Nak 600 vs 600 II In-Reply-To: <20757960.1225296819591.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <20757960.1225296819591.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <39AB9EE6-A836-469D-B0E1-47CF0814D96E@kvglabs.com> Hi Henk, Tom, The timing of this is excellent. I've been doing a big project where I'm using all five of my Nakamichi 600 series. Two are the 600, and three are the 600-II. The one thing I'd add is that before adjusting the 600's IM distortion, be sure the bias and playback levels are correct. I've made the mistake of adjusting IM suppression before adjusting bias and playback level, then having to go back and redo the IM suppression. 400 cps is the "proper" tone for calibrating the IM suppression, but when making the adjustment by ear I actually recommend you set the oscillator for 440 cps. This is the same pitch as most musical instruments are calibrated to, so it seems more natural to Western ears -- so any harshness to the tone is more readily apparent to a listener with 440 cps tones. I sometimes like to "double check" the results with 880 cps tones as well, by the way. Tom, your quick-n-dirty method of adjustment by ear works quite well -- and is essentially the same as what I've done to "touch up" the calibration during recording session breaks. Actually, my listening experience with the 600's IM suppression has been different. It does make the most apparent improvement with normal bias tapes, but I find that the IM suppression makes sharp transients sound cleaner and clearer with chrome bias tapes as well, especially when recorded at higher levels. The IM suppression circuit increases the 600's headroom, which is why I prefer my 600 over the 600-II when peak-to-peak dynamic range is more important: pipe organ, percussion, drum solos, classical grand piano tracks, dobro, banjo, hammered dulcimer, extremely dynamic acoustic or classical guitar, lute, harpsichord and pizzicato strings. Admittedly, I can get nearly identical sound quality with any subject from the 600-II as I can the 600, but the 600's IM suppression allows 2 to 3 dB higher levels, even with chrome bias tapes, with problematic program material that has sharp transients. As long as you're not pushing 0 VU recording levels all the time, the differences between the two machines is subtle, and I'd agree that the differences with chrome bias tapes are very difficult to discern. But push levels hard and the advantage of the 600's IM suppression becomes more obvious. Most of the time, though, I use dbx when I record onto my 600 and 600-II, in chich case the advantage of the 600's IM suppression disappears. Gotta admit, I love my 600 and 600-II! Mine are 31 an 30 years old and still making great music! On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:13 AM, Tom Brucker wrote: > Late reply! > The IM supression requires a distortion meter, however it ought to > alter the sound of a sine wave enough to be audible. The VU meters > wouldn't help. You would have to turn the control at a steady rate > with an eye on the tape counter, then choose the best sounding > position listening to the playback as noted on the counter. During > record, rotate the pot "1 hour" for each 3 counts on the tape > counter. Say the sine wave sounds cleanest at 15 on the counter. 15 > corresponds with 10 o'clock setting on the control. Do each channel > by itself. > I find the IM has less effect on the better SX tapes than it does > on the EX. > tom brucker > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From dbbraun13 at comcast.net Wed Oct 29 18:26:08 2008 From: dbbraun13 at comcast.net (dbbraun13 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 buttons dead Message-ID: <1870193560.1972311225301168507.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Friends: I've had a BX 300 for a couple of years - no problems. Until now! I played a tape the other day - went okay. Pulled the tape, put in another tape. Suddenly - no response to any button. 'Stop' light is on; Peak-level light, B-Type is on; Counter numbers are on; Master Fader 'up' is on. No button responds: Play, Rewind, FF...etc. Whatever I push - nothing! Suggestions?>?> DB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Oct 29 19:59:07 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:59:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Opinions on the Nak 600 vs 600 II In-Reply-To: <39AB9EE6-A836-469D-B0E1-47CF0814D96E@kvglabs.com> References: <20757960.1225296819591.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <39AB9EE6-A836-469D-B0E1-47CF0814D96E@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <20081029185905.OSSV23768.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> and because of your love for the 600 and 600II, I am seriously considering getting one to complement my Dragon. Either the 600 or the 682. Not sure at this point. If there ever was something to be said for Naktalk, it is that it inspires me to totally encompass my audio addiction and admit that I am totally powerless over the obsession to own a Nak. hey wait a minute, doesn't that sound an awful lot like the AA 12-step program? First is to admit that one has a problem and to admit one is powerless over that problem? I smell a Naktalk 12-step program coming on.... >Gotta admit, I love my 600 and 600-II! Mine are 31 an 30 years old and >still making great music! > >Roland From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Oct 29 20:05:34 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:05:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: one time Lenco question Message-ID: <20081029190533.GZCE19960.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> I recall someone mentioning owning a Lenco TT and someone else mentioning owning a trusty old Dual. Could someone please contact me offline? I won't be bugging you but to ask a one time question. Thanks. I realize there is the Asylum but I trust people here a lot for opinions. Roland From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Oct 29 22:13:57 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?UTF-8?B?QW50b2luZSBEZXNjaMOqbmVz?=) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:13:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 buttons dead In-Reply-To: <1870193560.1972311225301168507.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1870193560.1972311225301168507.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4908D215.3000006@yahoo.ca> Hi, there's a small motor on the transport that is perpendicular to the two others. That's the cam motor. Try turning the little worm gear manually, and see if it starts moving again. If so, the cam motor might need to be rebuilt, which isn't very hard to do. Antoine dbbraun13 at comcast.net a écrit : > > Friends: > > I've had a BX 300 for a couple of years - no problems. > > Until now! > > I played a tape the other day - went okay. Pulled the tape, put in > another tape. Suddenly - no response to any button. 'Stop' light is > on; Peak-level light, B-Type is on; Counter numbers are on; Master > Fader 'up' is on. > > No button responds: Play, Rewind, FF...etc. Whatever I push - nothing! > > Suggestions?>?> > > DB > From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Wed Oct 29 22:20:17 2008 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:20:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] offtopic : Sony Elcaset calibration Message-ID: Hi Naktalkers, I wonder if there are people's on this site who remember the Elcaset medium? I recently bought a defective Sony EL5 and repaired this deck. It is build like a tank and sounds great. Now i want to calibrate this machine using a Nakamichi T100 and maybe someone has information about Elcaset calibration tapes ? The Elcaset tape size is 6.3 mm wide and the tape speed is 9.5 cm. I need a 400hz 0db tape i think for the playback level, to begin with? 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I recently bought a defective Sony EL5 and repaired this > deck. It is build like a tank and sounds great. > Now i want to calibrate this machine using a Nakamichi T100 and > maybe someone has information about Elcaset calibration tapes ? > The Elcaset tape size is 6.3 mm wide and the tape speed is 9.5 cm. I > need a 400hz 0db tape i think for the playback level, to begin with? > > Regards Norman > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Elcaset tape size is 6.3 mm wide and the tape speed is 9.5 cm. I need a 400hz 0db tape i think for the playback level, to begin with?   Regards Norman     ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From heagle at sympatico.ca Wed Oct 29 23:38:31 2008 From: heagle at sympatico.ca (Gary Heagle) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:38:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX 300 buttons dead In-Reply-To: <4908D215.3000006@yahoo.ca> References: <1870193560.1972311225301168507.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4908D215.3000006@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: Hi DB/Antoine. I think this is the same problem I am having with my MR1 only my lights alternate and blink in a weird pattern (buttons still dead). Is the same transport mechanism used in the MR1 and BX300? When I use my fingernail on the gears, it will sometimes free them up and everything is ok until the next time they (the gears) decide to act up. Or, is it the motor that is really at fault here? Antoine, is there a "step-by-step" somewhere that we can follow to re-build the motor/gears or do the gears/motor just need to be lubricated? If so, with what? Thanks, Gary -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:14 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX 300 buttons dead Hi, there's a small motor on the transport that is perpendicular to the two others. That's the cam motor. Try turning the little worm gear manually, and see if it starts moving again. If so, the cam motor might need to be rebuilt, which isn't very hard to do. Antoine dbbraun13 at comcast.net a écrit : > > Friends: > > I've had a BX 300 for a couple of years - no problems. > > Until now! > > I played a tape the other day - went okay. Pulled the tape, put in > another tape. Suddenly - no response to any button. 'Stop' light is > on; Peak-level light, B-Type is on; Counter numbers are on; Master > Fader 'up' is on. > > No button responds: Play, Rewind, FF...etc. Whatever I push - nothing! > > Suggestions?>?> > > DB > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From raydium at verizon.net Thu Oct 30 00:51:21 2008 From: raydium at verizon.net (ray moore) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:51:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910810290729i46733760n5d4b82fcdf3183a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001601c93a21$3f174070$2f01a8c0@xp2006> Before I list it I need to record on it and verify that everything works, I am the original owner, I bought it new from a local Audio store years ago. It has sat on my shelf for the last 5 years or so not being used. It has no owners manual (who knows where that went) and I don't have a remote, I cannot remember having it or ever needing to use it. It has had no need of service as it has always worked until the recent problem which I should have resolved. It has not been recalibrated or any parts replaced. If you are interested let me know before I list it and how much you would offer. Thanks Ray -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:29 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! Interested! Antoine 2008/10/28 ray moore : > so I am going to list it on > EBAY if anyone wants it. > > > > Thanks > > Ray > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Thu Oct 30 02:48:58 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:48:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] offtopic : Sony Elcaset calibration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005501c93a31$ae1637f0$0a42a7d0$@com> I remember it but never had the chance to own or even hear one. I recall it was highly regarded but lost out to the much more convenient small cassettes when their quality improved substantially. 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It has had no need of > service as it has always worked until the recent problem which I should > have > resolved. It has not been recalibrated or any parts replaced. If you are > interested let me know before I list it and how much you would offer. From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Oct 30 03:12:04 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:12:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: one time Lenco question In-Reply-To: <20081029190533.GZCE19960.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> References: <20081029190533.GZCE19960.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <490917F4.1050509@verizon.net> OK, Roland, What's the question? (email ra.ah at verizon.net) -- Ron Roland wrote: > I recall someone mentioning owning a Lenco TT and someone else > mentioning owning a trusty old Dual. > > Could someone please contact me offline? I won't be bugging you but > to ask a one time question. > > Thanks. I realize there is the Asylum but I trust people here a lot > for opinions. > > Roland From rjkent at comcast.net Thu Oct 30 03:23:23 2008 From: rjkent at comcast.net (rjkent at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:23:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TA-4A Manuals Message-ID: Wouter, Where can I find instructions on uploading to the documents archive? I have a TA-4A Service Manual and Owners Manual to donate. I finally scanned them myself after looking everywhere for electronic versions without luck. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have a TA-4A Service Manual and Owners Manual to donate. I finally scanned them myself after looking everywhere for electronic versions without luck. Robert Kent -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 09:09:31 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <895214.77162.qm@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes. My first CR7 came with two remotes and I sold one off for US$100. The really useful feature was being able to adjust the azimuth via the remote.   BG --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: From: Geoffrey Reynolds Subject: Re: [naktalk] My Nakamichi CR-7A is broke!! To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 9:54 AM To my knowledge, the CR-7A always came with a remote when new - the owner's manual lists it as an included accessory. If you can find it, it will probably have a very favorable impact on the resale value as I've seen just the remote for a CR-7A sell for $200+ on ebay. -- Geoffrey Reynolds From: "ray moore" > Before I list it I need to record on it and verify that everything works, I > am the original owner, I bought it new from a local Audio store years ago. > It has sat on my shelf for the last 5 years or so not being used. It has no > owners manual (who knows where that went) and I don't have a remote, I > cannot remember having it or ever needing to use it. It has had no need of > service as it has always worked until the recent problem which I should have > resolved. It has not been recalibrated or any parts replaced. 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I realize there is the Asylum but I trust people here a lot >> for opinions. >> >> Roland > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Thu Oct 30 09:27:41 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:27:41 +0100 (CET) Subject: [naktalk] TA-4A Manuals Message-ID: <5482.82.210.249.81.1225355261.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Robert, Please send them to me directly and i'll place them on the wiki pages. Wouter > Wouter, > > Where can I find instructions on uploading to the documents archive? I > have a TA-4A Service Manual and Owners Manual to donate. I finally > scanned them myself after looking everywhere for electronic versions > without luck. > > Robert Kent > From wnn523484 at telfort.nl Thu Oct 30 14:07:43 2008 From: wnn523484 at telfort.nl (ScHenk) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:07:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] IM suppression adjustment Message-ID: <48C699C4000303B9@mail-5-nl.mail.tiscali.sys> KermiT, Tom, Thanks with a capital T ! Very informative reading. Although I do not see this subject explored frequently, I am thinking to add this to the FAQ list some day. Anyway, I enjoy reading these kind of stories. Thanks again. Happy 600 listening, Henk Schenk Netherlands www.schenk-nakamichi.nl ---------------------------------------- Answer 1 Tom Brucker Late reply! The IM supression requires a distortion meter, however it ought to alter the sound of a sine wave enough to be audible. The VU meters wouldn't help. You would have to turn the control at a steady rate with an eye on the tape counter, then choose the best sounding position listening to the playback as noted on the counter. During record, rotate the pot "1 hour" for each 3 counts on the tape counter. Say the sine wave sounds cleanest at 15 on the counter. 15 corresponds with 10 o'clock setting on the control. Do each channel by itself. I find the IM has less effect on the better SX tapes than it does on the EX. tom brucker ------------------------------------- Answer 2 Kermit Gray Hi Henk, Tom, The timing of this is excellent. I've been doing a big project where I'm using all five of my Nakamichi 600 series. Two are the 600, and three are the 600-II. The one thing I'd add is that before adjusting the 600's IM distortion, be sure the bias and playback levels are correct. I've made the mistake of adjusting IM suppression before adjusting bias and playback level, then having to go back and redo the IM suppression. 400 cps is the "proper" tone for calibrating the IM suppression, but when making the adjustment by ear I actually recommend you set the oscillator for 440 cps. This is the same pitch as most musical instruments are calibrated to, so it seems more natural to Western ears -- so any harshness to the tone is more readily apparent to a listener with 440 cps tones. I sometimes like to "double check" the results with 880 cps tones as well, by the way. -------------------------------- From n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net Thu Oct 30 21:45:49 2008 From: n.van.wijnen at inter.nl.net (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:45:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] offtopic : Sony Elcaset calibration References: <294643.3874.qm@web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78D3CF1D9C424151B2659C3A4A17D634@sonyar51j> Hi Bob, sometimes there are tapes on ebay look and see: http://cgi.ebay.nl/Sony-FeCr-LC-60-Type-II-Elcaset-tape-8-rare-barely-used_W0QQitemZ370101370435QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item370101370435&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 I had have a Elcaset when they where new on the market here in the Netherlands.It was the end of the 70's or the beginning of the 80's , I'm not complete sure of that. I spend all the money i have earned with my job as newspaper boy. After some years of using the Elcaset i trade in the deck for a Nakamichi N480. (wow what a deck) . I put the Elcaset tapes in a box and after all these years i wonder what i have recorded on these tapes. So i 've searched for a second hand Elcaset , and listening to the old tapes the memories are strong. So thats the story. The Elcaset sounds very good and i think that it has the same quality as my Dragon with Dolby B. Regards Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Naylor To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] offtopic : Sony Elcaset calibration Norman, Will you be able to buy any tapes for it? I do remember them but couldn't afford one at the time. I would still like to have one! Bob N --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Norman van Wijnen wrote: From: Norman van Wijnen Subject: [naktalk] offtopic : Sony Elcaset calibration To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 2:20 PM Hi Naktalkers, I wonder if there are people's on this site who remember the Elcaset medium? I recently bought a defective Sony EL5 and repaired this deck. It is build like a tank and sounds great. Now i want to calibrate this machine using a Nakamichi T100 and maybe someone has information about Elcaset calibration tapes ? The Elcaset tape size is 6.3 mm wide and the tape speed is 9.5 cm. I need a 400hz 0db tape i think for the playback level, to begin with? 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A-3 From danbarham at aol.com Fri Oct 31 05:30:16 2008 From: danbarham at aol.com (danbarham at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:30:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 600 vs. 600II Message-ID: <8CB0928828F9692-D74-33@WEBMAIL-STG-D01.sysops.aol.com> Many of you guys beat me to it?on this thread since I don't get Naktalk messages as they come in, only in digest mode once per day. I have a couple of 600's and a 600II. Actually, the 600II was my very first Nak! Both of these machines sound amazing, better than they should be allowed actually, considering their tranports. I have to go with Kermit on this, the 600's have got to be one of my all time favorite Naks because they sound really smooth and sweet. Nothing harsh or sterile about them, just excellent, clean sound. ? Admittedly, all of my machines?were purchased?used and had some problems with buttons sticking and generally gummed up transports. Easy enough to fix. My only criticism of these decks are the transports. The FF and REW times are very slow, which is really not a big deal, but what is a big deal is the W+F performance. It is audible, more or less so depending on the music. With some it is too annoying and I have to switch to a different deck. I have replaced the belt, cleaned and lubed the entire transport and replaced the idler pulley and reels with NOS parts. That helped a little but not as much as I had hoped. I thought I remembered Fred of Marrscommunications was working on the tires for the reel hubs. Anyone else heard that? The only other thing I can think of is maybe worn out capstan bearings but I don't remember mine being excessively?loose. I have plans on the back burner to someday recap at least one of these machines. Does anyone think doing so might help the W+F problems? I will definitely recap the power supply and the non-audio portions of the deck. I'm not sure I want to mess with the audio side for fear of wrecking its sweet sound (minus the transport's speed issues previously mentioned.) I would love to hear the results of someone combining the 600's electronics with the transport from a 480 or LX-3. If we could?replace the dual-tracer transport with something better, this deck would arguably be one of the finest sounding cassette decks bar none, IMHO. Dan Barham Chicagoland (soon to be back in So California) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 31 15:20:11 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:20:11 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A cassette well lamp? Message-ID: <13350856.1225462811543.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The answer is not easy, since the lamp appears to be missing from the service manual. It is PL601. It is 12 volts. It is connected to the capstan motor pcb, so it has wire leads. I would use no more than 70 ma. I hope this helps. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Don West >Sent: Oct 30, 2008 3:04 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A cassette well lamp? > >As I mentioned to Ron in private email, when I replaced the reel motor I >noticed the cassette well lamp is burnt out. I'd have done it then had I >known, and while I may not jump back at it right away, I would want to >replace it at some point. Ron confirmed (as I see in the schematic) it's >12vdc, and he estimated the current draw, though who has a specific lamp >part number for replacement? Is it a bare wire lamp? the parts diagram >references a lamp base, but I cannot tell if it's a socket for the lamp or >what. I'm judging that replacing it isn't the bear that the reel motor is! >Thanks, all. Great Nak info here :) (and for the record I also run a TA-3A, >love the amp!) >A-3 > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Oct 31 15:58:09 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:58:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak ZX 9 In-Reply-To: <007401c93b67$7bad8750$730895f0$@freeserve.co.uk> References: <13350856.1225462811543.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <007401c93b67$7bad8750$730895f0$@freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <00ab01c93b69$17bbd380$47337a80$@com> For anyone interested, B&W replaced the following during the big service of my ZX9: Pressure rollers Take-up tape guide Supply tape guide Idler Tyre (tire for the US readers! Capstan Belt Counter Belt B Control Motor Belt Lamp 123V 60MA Cassette case lamp Total cost of the parts, about £40 (UK Sterling). Graham From BOEING747600 at aol.com Fri Oct 31 16:11:32 2008 From: BOEING747600 at aol.com (BOEING747600 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:11:32 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Just found a Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracer Cassette Deck Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Just found a Nakamichi Tri Tracer Cassette deck how does it compares with other Nak decks?! What are the weak and strength of this cassette deck. I am going to turn it on for the first time later today hope it works! as cosmetic wise its in great shape! Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Eastern Daylight Time, ghiga_andrei at yahoo.com writes: My Dragon Cassette Deck line transformer got burned... can you please tell me what voltages come out from the secondary windings ? there are 5 wires... 2 yellow, one black and 2 red... thank you ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lenaw at flash.net Fri Oct 31 16:54:54 2008 From: lenaw at flash.net (LENA WONG) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Just found a Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracer Cassette Deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <483678.93029.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ali:          That is the first Nakamichi deck that I own. I still have it and I like how it sounds as well as its looks ( IMHO ).     Happy Collecting and Listening, Mike   --- On Fri, 10/31/08, BOEING747600 at aol.com wrote: From: BOEING747600 at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] Just found a Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracer Cassette Deck To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 10:11 AM Hi Everyone,  Just found a Nakamichi Tri Tracer Cassette deck how does it compares with other Nak decks?!  What are the weak and strength of this cassette deck. I am going to turn it on for the first time later today hope it works! as cosmetic wise its in great shape!  Thanks! With Best Regards! Ali Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals!========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 16:59:02 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 07:59:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette Deck power failure In-Reply-To: <859251.8881.qm@web38001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <490b2ad7.16078e0a.578a.0923@mx.google.com> I have a Dragon I'm parting out if you need the US transformer. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Andrei Gheorghe Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:02 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Cassette Deck power failure My Dragon Cassette Deck line transformer got burned... can you please tell me what voltages come out from the secondary windings ? there are 5 wires... 2 yellow, one black and 2 red... thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Eastern Daylight Time, ghiga_andrei at yahoo.com writes: My Dragon Cassette Deck line transformer got burned... can you please tell me what voltages come out from the secondary windings ? there are 5 wires... 2 yellow, one black and 2 red... thank you ========---------------------------------------------------------=========           Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                         Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ________________________________ Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ali In a message dated 10/31/2008 9:09:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ghiga_andrei at yahoo.com writes: My Dragon Cassette Deck line transformer got burned... can you please tell me what voltages come out from the secondary windings ? there are 5 wires... 2 yellow, one black and 2 red... thank you ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------======= == ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <915087.77592.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 10/31/08, kannan srinivasaraghavan wrote: > From: kannan srinivasaraghavan > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A cassette well lamp? > To: "Tom Brucker" > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 1:41 PM > CR7A cassette well Lamp replacement should be a micro > miniture type - and should fit in to small space behind the > well as it can interfere with gear drive parts - really > tricky to find suitable one- it should be prefereably with > bare wire leads - can be connected to the existing wire > leads - as that goes through a long winding path in to the > DD motor PCB - if you get any of the later flat LED lamp > embedded in to the well back cover like the ones in CR4/3 > etc - you can transplant but beware of the voltage - they > should not be connected directly to DD motor PCB without > suitable voltage reduction > kannan > > > --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Tom Brucker > wrote: > > > From: Tom Brucker > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A cassette well lamp? > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > , naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 10:20 AM > > The answer is not easy, since the lamp appears to be > missing > > from the service manual. It is PL601. It is 12 volts. > It is > > connected to the capstan motor pcb, so it has wire > leads. I > > would use no more than 70 ma. I hope this helps. > > tom brucker > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >From: Don West > > >Sent: Oct 30, 2008 3:04 PM > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A cassette well lamp? > > > > > >As I mentioned to Ron in private email, when I > replaced > > the reel motor I > > >noticed the cassette well lamp is burnt out. > I'd > > have done it then had I > > >known, and while I may not jump back at it right > away, > > I would want to > > >replace it at some point. Ron confirmed (as I see > in > > the schematic) it's > > >12vdc, and he estimated the current draw, though > who > > has a specific lamp > > >part number for replacement? Is it a bare wire > lamp? > > the parts diagram > > >references a lamp base, but I cannot tell if > it's a > > socket for the lamp or > > >what. I'm judging that replacing it isn't > the > > bear that the reel motor is! > > >Thanks, all. Great Nak info here :) (and for the > record > > I also run a TA-3A, > > >love the amp!) > > >A-3 > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Naktalk at naks.com > mailinglist > > >Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > 615-331-9241 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 18:36:06 2008 From: vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com (Vijay Bagaria) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:06:06 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] (no subject) Message-ID: <850310.11308.qm@web94903.mail.in2.yahoo.com> i am owning nakamichi cr 5. since last 6 months i am facing unusual problem..after i switch on the cassette deck, i need to warm it up for play back for atleast 10 minuits. if i play it immediatly after switch on, its cam mechanism shuffels up and down or on and off. pl. guide me to fix this. thanks. vijay bagaria. e mail id : vijaybagaria04 at yahoo.com Be the first one to try the new Messenger 9 Beta! Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/win/ From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 31 19:38:28 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:38:28 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak ZX 9 Message-ID: <29626505.1225478308123.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Graham, I am curious about the tape guides. Do you suppose the develop wear patterns? If you could get an answer I'd love to learn what is behind that. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Graham A Nelson >Sent: Oct 31, 2008 8:58 AM >To: 'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks' >Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak ZX 9 > >For anyone interested, B&W replaced the following during the big service of my ZX9: > >Pressure rollers >Take-up tape guide >Supply tape guide >Idler Tyre (tire for the US readers! >Capstan Belt >Counter Belt B >Control Motor Belt >Lamp 123V 60MA >Cassette case lamp > >Total cost of the parts, about £40 (UK Sterling). > > > >Graham > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 31 19:50:37 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:50:37 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [naktalk] Just found a Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracer Cassette Deck Message-ID: <25764688.1225479037612.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From leicasl2 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 31 19:53:58 2008 From: leicasl2 at hotmail.com (Mark Hutchens) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:53:58 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 control motor problem Message-ID: I have 4 Nakamichi 582 decks and 3 of the decks control motors will not raise the head stack when I engage the play button or any other butom either. I used a battrey to test the motor and it hums right along. Does anybody know what the culprit might be. It must be a very common problem since only one out my 4 decks does not have this problem. Thanks for your help. Mark _________________________________________________________________ When your life is on the go—take your life with you. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Fri Oct 31 21:03:07 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:03:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Just found a Nakamichi 700 Tri Tracer Cassette Deck In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081031200305.ERZA8977.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> Search the archives for a discussion on this model. I asked a question about three months ago concerning the 600 and 600II but the 700 and 1000 came up for discussion. My memory tells me there were a maintenance problem but search the archives for exact details. At 11:11 AM 10/31/2008, you wrote: >Hi Everyone, Just found a Nakamichi Tri Tracer Cassette deck how >does it compares with other Nak decks?! What are the weak and >strength of this cassette deck. I am going to turn it on for the >first time later today hope it works! as cosmetic wise its in great >shape! Thanks! >With Best Regards! Ali > > > > >---------- >Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. >Check >out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ram --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Mark Hutchens wrote: From: Mark Hutchens Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 582 control motor problem To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 2:53 PM #yiv921110709 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv921110709 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} I have 4 Nakamichi 582 decks and 3 of the decks control motors will not raise the head stack when I engage the play button or any other butom either. I used a battrey to test the motor and it hums right along. Does anybody know what the culprit might be. It must be a very common problem since only one out my 4 decks does not have this problem. Thanks for your help. Mark  When your life is on the go—take your life with you. 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URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2008\2008-September.txt.txt ************************************************************************ From orders at pennysconstruction.com Mon Sep 1 03:48:59 2008 From: orders at pennysconstruction.com (orders at pennysconstruction) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:48:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning References: <200808290725.m7T7PEwp016120@zxe.naks.com><48B9A00A.6040205@verizon.net><85CA5D0E-A277-4EDF-9EF8-464F49C231A4@peromarta.org> <9B88CC65-793C-4422-BB29-A5FDDD95BAED@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <005101c90bd4$e7459880$6501a8c0@Number2> Very nice, thanks. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kermit Gray" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head cleaning > Hi Luis, > > I respectfully submit my white paper on head cleaning and demagnetizing, > found at http://www.kvglabs.com/PDF/cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf > > The paper also addresses the issue of alcohol versus other cleaners. When > I check my web site's log, it's always the most-viewed file on the > website and has been for the past three years. > > On Aug 31, 2008, at 5:13 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > >> Thanks Ron, >> >> who would like to wirte a small doc on head cleaning ? >> > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From alexcozac at hotmail.com Mon Sep 1 05:34:22 2008 From: alexcozac at hotmail.com (Alex Cozac) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 03:34:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: <9B88CC65-793C-4422-BB29-A5FDDD95BAED@kvglabs.com> References: <200808290725.m7T7PEwp016120@zxe.naks.com> <48B9A00A.6040205@verizon.net> <85CA5D0E-A277-4EDF-9EF8-464F49C231A4@peromarta.org> <9B88CC65-793C-4422-BB29-A5FDDD95BAED@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: Hi my dear Kermit! Bravo!!! Hope...that this "Old" issue...will came to a end...with your superbly PDF explanation!?. Shalom, Alex! > From: notarbene at kvglabs.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head cleaning > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:33:58 -0500 > > Hi Luis, > > I respectfully submit my white paper on head cleaning and > demagnetizing, found at http://www.kvglabs.com/PDF/cleaning_and_demagnetizing.pdf > > The paper also addresses the issue of alcohol versus other cleaners. > When I check my web site's log, it's always the most-viewed file on > the website and has been for the past three years. > > On Aug 31, 2008, at 5:13 AM, Luis Peromarta wrote: > > > Thanks Ron, > > > > who would like to wirte a small doc on head cleaning ? > > > > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Sep 1 13:54:10 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:54:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] naks.com wiki Message-ID: <8717.82.210.249.81.1220270050.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Reading some recent posts about adding things to the wiki pages (http://www.naks.com/wiki) I would like to say that they are there for all of us to share their knowlegde! Feel free to add anything that may be interesting to anyone of us. To change anything all you need to to is register yourself in the wiki system. If I need to host any images on naks.com that are needed to illustrate an article in the wiki then let me know. Wouter From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Mon Sep 1 15:05:35 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:05:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OC 08096 'D2' In-Reply-To: <48badbd7.16538c0a.338b.ffff8474@mx.google.com> References: <48badbd7.16538c0a.338b.ffff8474@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <48BBE89F.6030908@marrscommunications.com> Thank you very much Willy! Fred M WillyHerm wrote: > Hi All - > > > > I have finally had the chance to install one of the new "D2" belts > from Fred. I just recently renovated a 682ZX with typical problems. > I am happy to report that I agree with Tom and other's findings on the > quality of the new belt. I tested 0.04 to 0.07 wtd. and 0.08 to 0.11 > unwtd. which is noticeable better than the original D belt. (My > disclaimer again as to the perfect accuracy of my T100 after all these > years). I'm now once again proud to be able to renovate these > machines and excited about continuing to service them rather than half > hearted about a rebuild knowing I wouldn't be able to make the machine > really sound as good as it did new. > > > > Thanks Fred for sticking with this project and coming through. I'm > putting in a stocking order shortly! > > > > Willy > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Sep 1 15:10:05 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:10:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: <083120081254.23716.48BA94700006C06C00005CA422155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <083120081254.23716.48BA94700006C06C00005CA422155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48BBE9AD.80504@verizon.net> While Alcohol may attack rubber, it takes a fair amount of time (I am not sure how long, but measured in many minutes) to do *any* actual damage. As a result, it's useful for cleaning pinch rollers, provided one doesn't soak them in the stuff for hours, but dampens a small cloth and then uses it to rub the crud off with. If the tiny amount of alcohol on the cloth rubs off some 'dead', glazed rubber, so much the better. After cleaning with alcohol, the pinch roller surface looks black, with no shine at all. That's a good thing. The same can be said for MEK - it does an excellent job of cleaning pinch rollers (and heads) for people that know what they are doing. Several caveats, though... It works *much* faster and therefore should be used with *extreme* caution. If any of it comes in contact with finished parts (like a front panel), it can wreak havoc in a fraction of a second. Last but not least: inhaling the fumes can do serious damage to the hapless hobbyist himself. It can. however, save the day in desperate situations, when the pinch roller would otherwise have to be discarded. Just my $0.02 -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: > I should clarify something I said earlier. > > I stated that isopropyl alcohol (91% solution) is fine for cleaning heads. Someone else stated -- correctly -- that isopropyl alcohol was not good for pinch rollers, as it would dry them out. > > I wanted to give the original poster a good, easily obtained product that would do a good job on his heads. > > I should have been more careful with my response, and should have included the warning about using isopropyl alcohol on rubber parts. > > So I will amend my original recommendation and state that isopropyl alcohol IS fine for cleaning heads, but not so good for pinch rollers. > > My apologies for not being clear enough.... > > > *andy* > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Mon Sep 1 15:10:30 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:10:30 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 680 sluggish supply pinch roller References: Message-ID: <005c01c90c34$1c5d0260$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Steve, This is a relatively common problem with all classic transport naks.. so that is 4xx/5xx/6xx decks..and can affect either or both pinch rollers. The sticking is caused by 'hardened' grease on the pivot pin. If you search the NAKTALK archives there are some suggested fixes, usually involving trying to coax some lubricant/penetrant such as WD40 into the pivot area over a few days or even using a solvent (sparingly) such as MEK or lacquer thinners to dissolve the grease if really desperate. In The fact that your roller is still moving bodes well for the WD40 treatment method, as they can seize solid in which case it is usually a transport out job to fix. Good luck, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Tourek3 at wmconnect.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] 680 sluggish supply pinch roller My supply side pinch roller takes about 30 seconds to reach the capstan. I have done some searching and found other 6xx series that have had problems with this particular pinch roller. I'm hoping there is an easy fix for this because once it settles into place this deck really sounds great. Thank you Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Sep 1 17:38:25 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:38:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 680 sluggish supply pinch roller In-Reply-To: <005c01c90c34$1c5d0260$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> References: <005c01c90c34$1c5d0260$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: This should also go into the wiki;) http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=technical rgds, LP. El 01/09/2008, a las 15:10, Martin & Karen Short escribió: Steve, This is a relatively common problem with all classic transport naks.. so that is 4xx/5xx/6xx decks..and can affect either or both pinch rollers. The sticking is caused by 'hardened' grease on the pivot pin. If you search the NAKTALK archives there are some suggested fixes, usually involving trying to coax some lubricant/penetrant such as WD40 into the pivot area over a few days or even using a solvent (sparingly) such as MEK or lacquer thinners to dissolve the grease if really desperate. In The fact that your roller is still moving bodes well for the WD40 treatment method, as they can seize solid in which case it is usually a transport out job to fix. Good luck, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Tourek3 at wmconnect.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] 680 sluggish supply pinch roller My supply side pinch roller takes about 30 seconds to reach the capstan. I have done some searching and found other 6xx series that have had problems with this particular pinch roller. I'm hoping there is an easy fix for this because once it settles into place this deck really sounds great. Thank you Steve========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= From Tourek3 at wmconnect.com Mon Sep 1 17:25:34 2008 From: Tourek3 at wmconnect.com (Tourek3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:25:34 EDT Subject: [naktalk] 680 pinch roller fixed Message-ID: I want to thank Andy for the very informative email. The deck is up and running beautifully. I'm not sure if the tape guide is in complete alignment but it does sound great as it is. This group really knows Naks. Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 1 17:26:23 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:26:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: <48BBE9AD.80504@verizon.net> References: <083120081254.23716.48BA94700006C06C00005CA422155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <48BBE9AD.80504@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48BC099F.9070303@sbcglobal.net> Sorry, Ron, I must disagree. I have had previous bad experience with Isopropyl alcohol. I used to use it to clean the heads and pinchrollers on my Denon DR-M44HX deck before every recording. Within 2 years I ruined the pinchrollers and they started causing the tape to skew. The surface was no longer a dark black, but a very light gray. About the time I discovered this was when Audio Magazine had an article stating that Isopropyl alcohol dries up rubber and should not be used to clean pinchrollers. They stated to use undenatured ethanol because the denatured stuff contains nasty chemicals, such as formaldehyde, that will also ruin the rubber. This was in 1988, and I have been using ethanol on the pinchrollers ever since, haven't had to replace them again. Warren Ron wrote: > > While Alcohol may attack rubber, it takes a fair amount > of time (I am not sure how long, but measured in many > minutes) to do *any* actual damage. As a result, it's useful > for cleaning pinch rollers, provided one doesn't soak them > in the stuff for hours, but dampens a small cloth and then > uses it to rub the crud off with. If the tiny amount of alcohol > on the cloth rubs off some 'dead', glazed rubber, so much > the better. After cleaning with alcohol, the pinch roller > surface looks black, with no shine at all. That's a good > thing. > > The same can be said for MEK - it does an excellent job > of cleaning pinch rollers (and heads) for people that know > what they are doing. Several caveats, though... It works > *much* faster and therefore should be used with *extreme* > caution. If any of it comes in contact with finished parts > (like a front panel), it can wreak havoc in a fraction of a > second. Last but not least: inhaling the fumes can do > serious damage to the hapless hobbyist himself. > > It can. however, save the day in desperate situations, when > the pinch roller would otherwise have to be discarded. > > Just my $0.02 > > -- Ron > > > > hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >> I should clarify something I said earlier. >> >> I stated that isopropyl alcohol (91% solution) is fine for cleaning heads. Someone else stated -- correctly -- that isopropyl alcohol was not good for pinch rollers, as it would dry them out. >> >> I wanted to give the original poster a good, easily obtained product that would do a good job on his heads. >> >> I should have been more careful with my response, and should have included the warning about using isopropyl alcohol on rubber parts. >> >> So I will amend my original recommendation and state that isopropyl alcohol IS fine for cleaning heads, but not so good for pinch rollers. >> >> My apologies for not being clear enough.... >> >> >> *andy* >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Mon Sep 1 19:57:02 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:57:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: <48BBE9AD.80504@verizon.net> Message-ID: I've been using 99% isopropyl alcohol on the heads. I am curious as to how to engage the play button on the Dragon to clean the pinch roller. All the other decks I have, I can stick my finger along the top of the transport and engage play. Regards, Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 9:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head cleaning While Alcohol may attack rubber, it takes a fair amount of time (I am not sure how long, but measured in many minutes) to do any actual damage. As a result, it's useful for cleaning pinch rollers, provided one doesn't soak them in the stuff for hours, but dampens a small cloth and then uses it to rub the crud off with. If the tiny amount of alcohol on the cloth rubs off some 'dead', glazed rubber, so much the better. After cleaning with alcohol, the pinch roller surface looks black, with no shine at all. That's a good thing. The same can be said for MEK - it does an excellent job of cleaning pinch rollers (and heads) for people that know what they are doing. Several caveats, though... It works much faster and therefore should be used with extreme caution. If any of it comes in contact with finished parts (like a front panel), it can wreak havoc in a fraction of a second. Last but not least: inhaling the fumes can do serious damage to the hapless hobbyist himself. It can. however, save the day in desperate situations, when the pinch roller would otherwise have to be discarded. Just my $0.02 -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I should clarify something I said earlier. I stated that isopropyl alcohol (91% solution) is fine for cleaning heads. Someone else stated -- correctly -- that isopropyl alcohol was not good for pinch rollers, as it would dry them out. I wanted to give the original poster a good, easily obtained product that would do a good job on his heads. I should have been more careful with my response, and should have included the warning about using isopropyl alcohol on rubber parts. So I will amend my original recommendation and state that isopropyl alcohol IS fine for cleaning heads, but not so good for pinch rollers. My apologies for not being clear enough.... *andy* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Mon Sep 1 21:33:52 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:33:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: <48BC099F.9070303@sbcglobal.net> References: <083120081254.23716.48BA94700006C06C00005CA422155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <48BBE9AD.80504@verizon.net> <48BC099F.9070303@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I certainly would not even think about cleaning rubbers "before every recording", not with alcohol or any other cleaner. rgds, LP. El 01/09/2008, a las 17:26, Warren Bendler escribió: Sorry, Ron, I must disagree. I have had previous bad experience with Isopropyl alcohol. I used to use it to clean the heads and pinchrollers on my Denon DR-M44HX deck before every recording. From mark8559 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 1 20:40:28 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:40:28 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <48BBE9AD.80504@verizon.net> Message-ID: I own a Dragon. Simply remove the cassette cover, close the door, press play. While in the play mode, clean the pinch roller with a surgical cotton swab with Rubber Renew (found at Fry's Electronics). That's the simple process. Unless it sounds like there may be something wrong with your deck. From: gene at jazzgenemusic.comTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: RE: [naktalk] Head cleaningDate: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:57:02 -0400 I've been using 99% isopropyl alcohol on the heads. I am curious as to how to engage the play button on the Dragon to clean the pinch roller. All the other decks I have, I can stick my finger along the top of the transport and engage play. Regards, Gene -----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of RonSent: Monday, September 01, 2008 9:10 AMTo: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette DecksSubject: Re: [naktalk] Head cleaningWhile Alcohol may attack rubber, it takes a fair amount of time (I am not sure how long, but measured in many minutes) to do any actual damage. As a result, it's usefulfor cleaning pinch rollers, provided one doesn't soak them in the stuff for hours, but dampens a small cloth and then uses it to rub the crud off with. If the tiny amount of alcohol on the cloth rubs off some 'dead', glazed rubber, so much the better. After cleaning with alcohol, the pinch roller surface looks black, with no shine at all. That's a good thing.The same can be said for MEK - it does an excellent job of cleaning pinch rollers (and heads) for people that know what they are doing. Several caveats, though... It works much faster and therefore should be used with extreme caution. If any of it comes in contact with finished parts (like a front panel), it can wreak havoc in a fraction of a second. Last but not least: inhaling the fumes can do serious damage to the hapless hobbyist himself. It can. however, save the day in desperate situations, when the pinch roller would otherwise have to be discarded. Just my $0.02-- Ronhwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I should clarify something I said earlier. I stated that isopropyl alcohol (91% solution) is fine for cleaning heads. Someone else stated -- correctly -- that isopropyl alcohol was not good for pinch rollers, as it would dry them out. I wanted to give the original poster a good, easily obtained product that would do a good job on his heads. I should have been more careful with my response, and should have included the warning about using isopropyl alcohol on rubber parts. So I will amend my original recommendation and state that isopropyl alcohol IS fine for cleaning heads, but not so good for pinch rollers. My apologies for not being clear enough.... *andy* _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 2 02:52:39 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <632333.59518.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gene, Remove the cassette well cover off. Once off, close the well and power the deck and hit play( either direction). You can now proceed with the cleaning. Enjoy. Ram. --- On Mon, 9/1/08, Gene Ess wrote: From: Gene Ess Subject: RE: [naktalk] Head cleaning To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, September 1, 2008, 1:57 PM I've been using 99% isopropyl alcohol on the heads.  I am curious as to how to engage the play button on the Dragon to clean the pinch roller.  All the other decks I have, I can stick my finger along the top of the transport and engage play.   Regards,   Gene  -----------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Tue Sep 2 03:32:02 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:32:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: <48BC099F.9070303@sbcglobal.net> References: <083120081254.23716.48BA94700006C06C00005CA422155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <48BBE9AD.80504@verizon.net> <48BC099F.9070303@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <48BC9792.1010006@verizon.net> Warren, I have never cleaned pinch rollers or heads before each and every recording, When I do (which is probably around every 20 to 50 hours), I used head cleaner fluid for both for both, which contained Isopropyl alcohol, concocted by a large computer company for the purpose of cleaning heads of tape drives. This went on for about 10 years with a Nak 700, 17 years with a Nak 582 and close to 10 years with a CR-7. During these years I also cleaned an untold number of tape recorders, tape drives, Cassette recorders, DATs, VCRs etc., etc.. Never did I have to replace a pinch roller (except for the CR-7, immediately after buying it in what was described as 'mint condition'). However, you clean about 10 times as often as I do. it's quite possible I would have ruined my 582 in 170 years worth of cleaning it my way. Opinions differ, so, by all means, continue to use whatever chemical you are happy with, as will I. -- Ron Warren Bendler wrote: > Sorry, Ron, I must disagree. I have had previous bad experience with > Isopropyl alcohol. I used to use it to clean the heads and > pinchrollers on my Denon DR-M44HX deck before every recording. Within > 2 years I ruined the pinchrollers and they started causing the tape to > skew. The surface was no longer a dark black, but a very light gray. > About the time I discovered this was when Audio Magazine had an > article stating that Isopropyl alcohol dries up rubber and should not > be used to clean pinchrollers. They stated to use undenatured ethanol > because the denatured stuff contains nasty chemicals, such as > formaldehyde, that will also ruin the rubber. This was in 1988, and I > have been using ethanol on the pinchrollers ever since, haven't had to > replace them again. > > Warren > > Ron wrote: >> >> While Alcohol may attack rubber, it takes a fair amount >> of time (I am not sure how long, but measured in many >> minutes) to do *any* actual damage. As a result, it's useful >> for cleaning pinch rollers, provided one doesn't soak them >> in the stuff for hours, but dampens a small cloth and then >> uses it to rub the crud off with. If the tiny amount of alcohol >> on the cloth rubs off some 'dead', glazed rubber, so much >> the better. After cleaning with alcohol, the pinch roller >> surface looks black, with no shine at all. That's a good >> thing. >> >> The same can be said for MEK - it does an excellent job >> of cleaning pinch rollers (and heads) for people that know >> what they are doing. Several caveats, though... It works >> *much* faster and therefore should be used with *extreme* >> caution. If any of it comes in contact with finished parts >> (like a front panel), it can wreak havoc in a fraction of a >> second. Last but not least: inhaling the fumes can do >> serious damage to the hapless hobbyist himself. >> >> It can. however, save the day in desperate situations, when >> the pinch roller would otherwise have to be discarded. >> >> Just my $0.02 >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >>> I should clarify something I said earlier. >>> >>> I stated that isopropyl alcohol (91% solution) is fine for cleaning heads. Someone else stated -- correctly -- that isopropyl alcohol was not good for pinch rollers, as it would dry them out. >>> >>> I wanted to give the original poster a good, easily obtained product that would do a good job on his heads. >>> >>> I should have been more careful with my response, and should have included the warning about using isopropyl alcohol on rubber parts. >>> >>> So I will amend my original recommendation and state that isopropyl alcohol IS fine for cleaning heads, but not so good for pinch rollers. >>> >>> My apologies for not being clear enough.... >>> >>> >>> *andy* >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 2 04:07:02 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:07:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: <48BC9792.1010006@verizon.net> References: <083120081254.23716.48BA94700006C06C00005CA422155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <48BBE9AD.80504@verizon.net> <48BC099F.9070303@sbcglobal.net> <48BC9792.1010006@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48BC9FC6.6010808@sbcglobal.net> Ron, I should add that I don't clean that often anymore, but more because of laziness than anything else. Now I only clean the pinchrollers if I can see oxide on them. When I was cleaning before every recording, I would generally play maybe 8 - 10 tapes in between recordings, then clean the heads and pinchrollers. I use DBX noise reduction, so any dropouts are exaggerated. A clean transport is mandatory. Warren Ron wrote: > > Warren, > > I have never cleaned pinch rollers or heads before each and > every recording, When I do (which is probably around every > 20 to 50 hours), I used head cleaner fluid for both for both, > which contained Isopropyl alcohol, concocted by a large > computer company for the purpose of cleaning heads of > tape drives. This went on for about 10 years with a Nak 700, > 17 years with a Nak 582 and close to 10 years with a CR-7. > > During these years I also cleaned an untold number of tape > recorders, tape drives, Cassette recorders, DATs, VCRs > etc., etc.. Never did I have to replace a pinch roller > (except for the CR-7, immediately after buying it in what > was described as 'mint condition'). > > However, you clean about 10 times as often as I do. it's > quite possible I would have ruined my 582 in 170 years > worth of cleaning it my way. Opinions differ, so, by all > means, continue to use whatever chemical you are happy > with, as will I. > > -- Ron > > > > > Warren Bendler wrote: >> Sorry, Ron, I must disagree. I have had previous bad experience with >> Isopropyl alcohol. I used to use it to clean the heads and >> pinchrollers on my Denon DR-M44HX deck before every recording. Within >> 2 years I ruined the pinchrollers and they started causing the tape >> to skew. The surface was no longer a dark black, but a very light >> gray. About the time I discovered this was when Audio Magazine had an >> article stating that Isopropyl alcohol dries up rubber and should not >> be used to clean pinchrollers. They stated to use undenatured ethanol >> because the denatured stuff contains nasty chemicals, such as >> formaldehyde, that will also ruin the rubber. This was in 1988, and I >> have been using ethanol on the pinchrollers ever since, haven't had >> to replace them again. >> >> Warren >> >> Ron wrote: >>> >>> While Alcohol may attack rubber, it takes a fair amount >>> of time (I am not sure how long, but measured in many >>> minutes) to do *any* actual damage. As a result, it's useful >>> for cleaning pinch rollers, provided one doesn't soak them >>> in the stuff for hours, but dampens a small cloth and then >>> uses it to rub the crud off with. If the tiny amount of alcohol >>> on the cloth rubs off some 'dead', glazed rubber, so much >>> the better. After cleaning with alcohol, the pinch roller >>> surface looks black, with no shine at all. That's a good >>> thing. >>> >>> The same can be said for MEK - it does an excellent job >>> of cleaning pinch rollers (and heads) for people that know >>> what they are doing. Several caveats, though... It works >>> *much* faster and therefore should be used with *extreme* >>> caution. If any of it comes in contact with finished parts >>> (like a front panel), it can wreak havoc in a fraction of a >>> second. Last but not least: inhaling the fumes can do >>> serious damage to the hapless hobbyist himself. >>> >>> It can. however, save the day in desperate situations, when >>> the pinch roller would otherwise have to be discarded. >>> >>> Just my $0.02 >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: >>>> I should clarify something I said earlier. >>>> >>>> I stated that isopropyl alcohol (91% solution) is fine for cleaning heads. Someone else stated -- correctly -- that isopropyl alcohol was not good for pinch rollers, as it would dry them out. >>>> >>>> I wanted to give the original poster a good, easily obtained product that would do a good job on his heads. >>>> >>>> I should have been more careful with my response, and should have included the warning about using isopropyl alcohol on rubber parts. >>>> >>>> So I will amend my original recommendation and state that isopropyl alcohol IS fine for cleaning heads, but not so good for pinch rollers. >>>> >>>> My apologies for not being clear enough.... >>>> >>>> >>>> *andy* >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Tue Sep 2 04:32:09 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:32:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: <632333.59518.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Ram. My brain must have been spaced out from recording/listening to so much great music on the Dragon since I got it back from ESL. The fact is I have actually done what you suggested here before sending the Dragon to ESL. Duh... Thanks for remembering for me! Also, I don't use isopropyl alcohol. Don't know what made me type that. I've been using the S-721H for some time now. Just picked up a MR-1 for my studio... This is very addictive. Best, Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 8:53 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Head cleaning Gene, Remove the cassette well cover off. Once off, close the well and power the deck and hit play( either direction). You can now proceed with the cleaning. Enjoy. Ram. --- On Mon, 9/1/08, Gene Ess wrote: From: Gene Ess Subject: RE: [naktalk] Head cleaning To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, September 1, 2008, 1:57 PM I've been using 99% isopropyl alcohol on the heads. I am curious as to how to engage the play button on the Dragon to clean the pinch roller. All the other decks I have, I can stick my finger along the top of the transport and engage play. Regards, Gene -----------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Tue Sep 2 04:34:16 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:34:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Mark, Thanks for your reply. Yes, remove the cassette door. I've done that before and forgotten... Thanks for the reminder. Best, Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 2:40 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: FW: [naktalk] Head cleaning I own a Dragon. Simply remove the cassette cover, close the door, press play. While in the play mode, clean the pinch roller with a surgical cotton swab with Rubber Renew (found at Fry's Electronics). That's the simple process. Unless it sounds like there may be something wrong with your deck. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Head cleaning Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:57:02 -0400 I've been using 99% isopropyl alcohol on the heads. I am curious as to how to engage the play button on the Dragon to clean the pinch roller. All the other decks I have, I can stick my finger along the top of the transport and engage play. Regards, Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 9:10 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Head cleaning While Alcohol may attack rubber, it takes a fair amount of time (I am not sure how long, but measured in many minutes) to do any actual damage. As a result, it's useful for cleaning pinch rollers, provided one doesn't soak them in the stuff for hours, but dampens a small cloth and then uses it to rub the crud off with. If the tiny amount of alcohol on the cloth rubs off some 'dead', glazed rubber, so much the better. After cleaning with alcohol, the pinch roller surface looks black, with no shine at all. That's a good thing. The same can be said for MEK - it does an excellent job of cleaning pinch rollers (and heads) for people that know what they are doing. Several caveats, though... It works much faster and therefore should be used with extreme caution. If any of it comes in contact with finished parts (like a front panel), it can wreak havoc in a fraction of a second. Last but not least: inhaling the fumes can do serious damage to the hapless hobbyist himself. It can. however, save the day in desperate situations, when the pinch roller would otherwise have to be discarded. Just my $0.02 -- Ron hwbosshoss at comcast.net wrote: I should clarify something I said earlier. I stated that isopropyl alcohol (91% solution) is fine for cleaning heads. Someone else stated -- correctly -- that isopropyl alcohol was not good for pinch rollers, as it would dry them out. I wanted to give the original poster a good, easily obtained product that would do a good job on his heads. I should have been more careful with my response, and should have included the warning about using isopropyl alcohol on rubber parts. So I will amend my original recommendation and state that isopropyl alcohol IS fine for cleaning heads, but not so good for pinch rollers. My apologies for not being clear enough.... *andy* ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows®. Make your smash hit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gstrahle at chariot.net.au Tue Sep 2 07:42:10 2008 From: gstrahle at chariot.net.au (Graham Strahle) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:12:10 +0930 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning Message-ID: Being new to Naktalk, I've been looking up about rubber cleaning agents. The commonly available ones designed for table tennis bats look like a real no-no for cassette decks, judging from what is said at this site: http://www.zeropong.com/rubber_application_care.htm: "The staff at ZeroPong does not recommend any rubber cleaners; all these products are just foaming glass cleaners with alcohol contents so high they will make your rubber start chipping and cracking." They recommend instead using a small amount of liquid dish soap on a moist sponge and then wiping clean, but that's of course for table tennis application - I'm not suggesting anyone does this on a cassette deck! What is cassette deck rubber cleaner actually made of? --Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Tue Sep 2 09:00:56 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:00:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Head cleaning In-Reply-To: <48BC9792.1010006@verizon.net> References: <083120081254.23716.48BA94700006C06C00005CA422155934149C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <48BBE9AD.80504@verizon.net> <48BC099F.9070303@sbcglobal.net> <48BC9792.1010006@verizon.net> Message-ID: <50FBF62A-108A-4A4B-BF31-4D5C7CBD2E0E@peromarta.org> An HP small red bottle, by any chance? El 02/09/2008, a las 3:32, Ron escribió: I used head cleaner fluid for both for both, which contained Isopropyl alcohol, concocted by a large computer company for the purpose of cleaning heads of tape drives. From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Wed Sep 3 01:25:48 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 00:25:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] u-record In-Reply-To: <48BA0CA7.5030802@sbcglobal.net> References: <448308.19455.qm@web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48BA0CA7.5030802@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <03e001c90d53$3cb65a00$b6230e00$@com> Has anyone tried this gadget yet? It's for using existing front end kit - TT or cassette deck - to make digital copies of the music into a PC and burn CD copies from there. http://www.ion-audio.com/urecord They sell in the UK for about £50 - rather dearer than in the US. Graham From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Sep 3 02:54:19 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:54:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] u-record In-Reply-To: <03e001c90d53$3cb65a00$b6230e00$@com> References: <448308.19455.qm@web50503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <48BA0CA7.5030802@sbcglobal.net> <03e001c90d53$3cb65a00$b6230e00$@com> Message-ID: <1D109786-3436-4BD3-9D61-D214F6928302@kvglabs.com> Hi(gh) Graham! For the price, it's not bad and is, I think, the best of the ultra- cheapie kinds -- far better than anything made by Griffin or Belkin! That said, the URecord's designer obviously assumes that LPs and cassettes are inferior sounding to CDs. I measured the performance of this product to be: Signal-to-noise ratio of -85 dB, referred to 0 dBfs modulation. THD 0.06%, -3 dBfs, from 600 ohm source load. My computer is a flat panel Intel-processor iMac with 2GB RAM. Subjectively, I found its sound to be thin and lacking low-level detail, as well as having a lack of a sense of air and spaciousness. It makes recordings that sound cheap and dry. The software included is the freeware Windows or Mac ports of Audacity, which I've long been critical of for its tendency to create Least Significant Bit and word truncation errors, and the tremendous loss of clarity is suffers when plugins are used. The dehiss and declick functions, are, alas, plugins -- and will suck the life out of an LP or a better-made analog tape. But then again, this isn't a high-end studio package. It definitely beats using your computer's sound card, or any of those less-than-$200 USD USB turntable or those awful cassette players that fit into a PC's drive bay. On Sep 2, 2008, at 6:25 PM, Graham A Nelson wrote: > Has anyone tried this gadget yet? It's for using existing front end > kit - > TT or cassette deck - to make digital copies of the music into a PC > and burn > CD copies from there. > > http://www.ion-audio.com/urecord > > They sell in the UK for about £50 - rather dearer than in the US. > > Graham > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From james.brodsky at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 00:36:57 2008 From: james.brodsky at gmail.com (James Brodsky) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:36:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] More praise for the D2 belt, and a pressure pad question Message-ID: <211ca5a30809021536j6afbba07p73e1ecb36bbdbb18@mail.gmail.com> My D2 belt arrived from Fred today. I installed it in my 480 and can tell the difference with acoustic music - the deck sounds much more stable than it did with the "D1" belt. Center images also no longer "waver". Thanks, Fred! I also noticed something unusual (which has nothing to do with the belt). I have a few of the last-generation (early 90's) Sony UX-Pro cassettes with the "ceramic guide" in the bottom. Although my deck performs admirably recording on pretty much every cassette I use (mostly SA/SA-X/XLII/XLII-S), and some other Sony cassettes (UX, UX-ES) with the Pro cassettes the left channel is maybe 15db lower than the right channel upon playback. And it occurs on multiple examples of the UX-Pro cassettes. What could cause this? Maybe some strange incompatibility with the UX-Pro shell? I haven't yet brought one of my other decks on-line to see if the same problem exists, but I'm wondering - Nakamichi designed the pressure-pad lifter to work with cassettes of the day. But different cassettes have different size pressure pads - so how does the classic-transport lifter work with those? Thanks. -jb From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Wed Sep 3 14:44:36 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:44:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] More praise for the D2 belt, and a pressure pad question In-Reply-To: <211ca5a30809021536j6afbba07p73e1ecb36bbdbb18@mail.gmail.com> References: <211ca5a30809021536j6afbba07p73e1ecb36bbdbb18@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48BE86B4.3090108@marrscommunications.com> Thank you James ! Your commit is appreciated! Fred M James Brodsky wrote: >My D2 belt arrived from Fred today. I installed it in my 480 and can >tell the difference with acoustic music - the deck sounds much more >stable than it did with the "D1" belt. Center images also no longer >"waver". Thanks, Fred! > >I also noticed something unusual (which has nothing to do with the >belt). I have a few of the last-generation (early 90's) Sony UX-Pro >cassettes with the "ceramic guide" in the bottom. Although my deck >performs admirably recording on pretty much every cassette I use >(mostly SA/SA-X/XLII/XLII-S), and some other Sony cassettes (UX, >UX-ES) with the Pro cassettes the left channel is maybe 15db lower >than the right channel upon playback. And it occurs on multiple >examples of the UX-Pro cassettes. > >What could cause this? Maybe some strange incompatibility with the >UX-Pro shell? I haven't yet brought one of my other decks on-line to >see if the same problem exists, but I'm wondering - Nakamichi designed >the pressure-pad lifter to work with cassettes of the day. But >different cassettes have different size pressure pads - so how does >the classic-transport lifter work with those? > >Thanks. > >-jb >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > From hwbosshoss at comcast.net Wed Sep 3 15:36:35 2008 From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net (hwbosshoss at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:36:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] HELP: 682ZX Part Needed Message-ID: <090320081336.16853.48BE92E30009C429000041D522155688849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> A customer has requested that I replace a missing switch tip on his 682ZX. I am of course talking about those very small tips on the switches on the right side of the deck. I need the tip for the Monitor switch. Does anyone have a tip for these switches -- in any color, but preferably the white/silver color? Thanks in advance..... *andy* From marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com Wed Sep 3 16:16:01 2008 From: marrscommunications at marrscommunications.com (Marrs Communications) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:16:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] More praise for the D2 belt, and a pressure pad question Message-ID: <48BE9C21.4040703@marrscommunications.com> Spell much Fred ? James, thank you for your comment ! Fred M From willyherm at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 17:21:28 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:21:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] HELP: 682ZX Part Needed In-Reply-To: <090320081336.16853.48BE92E30009C429000041D522155688849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48beabf7.2a528c0a.680f.fffff796@mx.google.com> Hi Andy - Yes, I have a parts deck which still has a couple left. Give me an address and I'll send one out. Willy Hermann -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 6:37 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] HELP: 682ZX Part Needed A customer has requested that I replace a missing switch tip on his 682ZX. I am of course talking about those very small tips on the switches on the right side of the deck. I need the tip for the Monitor switch. Does anyone have a tip for these switches -- in any color, but preferably the white/silver color? Thanks in advance..... *andy* ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From rjlbjk at cox.net Wed Sep 3 22:09:29 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:09:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] HELP: 682ZX Part Needed In-Reply-To: <48beabf7.2a528c0a.680f.fffff796@mx.google.com> References: <090320081336.16853.48BE92E30009C429000041D522155688849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> <48beabf7.2a528c0a.680f.fffff796@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20080903200932.DNJJ22786.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> See, this is what impresses me as much as the knowledge base in this group. Here we witness a couple of guys whose interest in keeping Nakamichi decks up and running to the best of their abilities. Andy needed a part and Willy was willing to bastardize some parts to help out. Great show! At 11:21 AM 9/3/2008, you wrote: >Hi Andy - > >Yes, I have a parts deck which still has a couple left. Give me an address >and I'll send one out. > >Willy Hermann > >-----Original Message----- >From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf >Of hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 6:37 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] HELP: 682ZX Part Needed > > >A customer has requested that I replace a missing switch tip on his 682ZX. >I am of course talking about those very small tips on the switches on the >right side of the deck. > >I need the tip for the Monitor switch. > >Does anyone have a tip for these switches -- in any color, but preferably >the white/silver color? > > >Thanks in advance..... > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account >here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 3 22:27:10 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:27:10 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] HELP: 682ZX Part Needed Message-ID: <30698270.1220473630375.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I believe RAM has a parts deck. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: hwbosshoss at comcast.net >Sent: Sep 3, 2008 8:36 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] HELP: 682ZX Part Needed > > >A customer has requested that I replace a missing switch tip on his 682ZX. I am of course talking about those very small tips on the switches on the right side of the deck. > >I need the tip for the Monitor switch. > >Does anyone have a tip for these switches -- in any color, but preferably the white/silver color? > > >Thanks in advance..... > > >*andy* >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From james.brodsky at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 00:34:25 2008 From: james.brodsky at gmail.com (James Brodsky) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:34:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Revised pressure pad question Message-ID: <211ca5a30809031534t2d6808dak5838453c59b385d2@mail.gmail.com> So - I fired up my dual-capstan 3 head JVC deck today and tried the same few UX-Pro tapes. Sure enough, while it is a little better than recordings on the 480, recorded signal is skewed to the right channel. I now believe I have a few tapes that perhaps were acted upon by a spurious magnetic field or something else that is causing the imbalance. I have no idea what else could cause it. Obviously, this question is no longer specific to Naks so I have no business in asking it on this list, but the question remains what could cause it. I'm also still curious if the pressure pad lifter in a classic Nak works better with certain designs of pressure pads over others. Thanks. -jb On 9/3/08, Marrs Communications wrote: > Spell much Fred ? > > James, thank you for your comment ! Fred M > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From bekimh at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 08:34:26 2008 From: bekimh at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?bEks=AE?=) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:34:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] HELP: 682ZX Part Needed In-Reply-To: <090320081336.16853.48BE92E30009C429000041D522155688849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> References: <090320081336.16853.48BE92E30009C429000041D522155688849C9C01089C9C010D9908@comcast.net> Message-ID: <859b812d0809032334y6bd75993qdd36fbb6119a0666@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Maybe anyone has playback head for 680ZX.. thanx On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:36 PM, wrote: > > A customer has requested that I replace a missing switch tip on his 682ZX. > I am of course talking about those very small tips on the switches on the > right side of the deck. > > I need the tip for the Monitor switch. > > Does anyone have a tip for these switches -- in any color, but preferably > the white/silver color? > > > Thanks in advance..... > > > *andy* > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Sep 4 19:36:36 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:36:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: RM-5 rewire References: <48BFB4FF.8050302@otenet.gr> Message-ID: <337970AD-CD0C-495D-9ACD-A2FA35831BA1@peromarta.org> Dear friends, can any of you send a wiring schematics for the RM-5 connector? I guess it's a 5pin DIN socket, correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks, and best rgds, LP. Inicio del mensaje reenviado: Ola Luis I am Manos from NAKTALK, Athens Greece, and would like to ask if you can help me out with a problem i have: I recently bought an RM-5 remote for my LX-5 or RX 505 (ebay item 160259417109) which turned out to be modified for other use. I would like to have it restored to its original operation, is there a way you could help me? I opened (unscrewed it) the male plug and noticed the 6 different color cables, which give the commands ( i guess one for every of the six buttons of the remote), all attached to it, but i do not have the original NAK plug required to try and bring it back to its original setup.....nor i can figure out which cable gives the right command......The main remote seems unattached therefore i believe whoever modified it just used the original commands for the other unit (the plug looks like for an AKAI reel to reel) I can send it over as long as you can reply you can accept it, i also thought to address the forum for a spare male NAK plug donation and some help with the cables and pass it over to a tech i can trust here in Athens, or ask Willy to help but my first though was you who is close enough(!) to Athens! Please give me your advise on how to deal with the problem and anything you need to help you figure it out do not hesitate to ask me.... Thanking you in advance Best regards Manos Athens - Greece From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 4 15:42:12 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:42:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Revised pressure pad question In-Reply-To: <211ca5a30809031534t2d6808dak5838453c59b385d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <090420081342.25389.48BFE5B3000E715A0000632D22230706129B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Check for edge curl along one of the sides. Sometimes tapes which have been stored improperly for long periods on their sides will develop a malady. This happened to me with a package of BASF and would not calibrate. -------------- Original message from "James Brodsky" : -------------- > So - I fired up my dual-capstan 3 head JVC deck today and tried the > same few UX-Pro tapes. Sure enough, while it is a little better than > recordings on the 480, recorded signal is skewed to the right channel. > > I now believe I have a few tapes that perhaps were acted upon by a > spurious magnetic field or something else that is causing the > imbalance. I have no idea what else could cause it. Obviously, this > question is no longer specific to Naks so I have no business in asking > it on this list, but the question remains what could cause it. > > I'm also still curious if the pressure pad lifter in a classic Nak > works better with certain designs of pressure pads over others. > > Thanks. > > -jb > > On 9/3/08, Marrs Communications > wrote: > > Spell much Fred ? > > > > James, thank you for your comment ! Fred M > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 19:58:07 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:58:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: RM-5 rewire In-Reply-To: <337970AD-CD0C-495D-9ACD-A2FA35831BA1@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <48c02230.2a528c0a.679d.5d01@mx.google.com> The remote jacks on both of those units are eight pin DIN connectors. The colors run the same as the resistor color code, starting with pin one as brown. Pin eight is white rather than gray. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Luis Peromarta Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:37 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: RM-5 rewire Dear friends, can any of you send a wiring schematics for the RM-5 connector? I guess it's a 5pin DIN socket, correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks, and best rgds, LP. Inicio del mensaje reenviado: Ola Luis I am Manos from NAKTALK, Athens Greece, and would like to ask if you can help me out with a problem i have: I recently bought an RM-5 remote for my LX-5 or RX 505 (ebay item 160259417109) which turned out to be modified for other use. I would like to have it restored to its original operation, is there a way you could help me? I opened (unscrewed it) the male plug and noticed the 6 different color cables, which give the commands ( i guess one for every of the six buttons of the remote), all attached to it, but i do not have the original NAK plug required to try and bring it back to its original setup.....nor i can figure out which cable gives the right command......The main remote seems unattached therefore i believe whoever modified it just used the original commands for the other unit (the plug looks like for an AKAI reel to reel) I can send it over as long as you can reply you can accept it, i also thought to address the forum for a spare male NAK plug donation and some help with the cables and pass it over to a tech i can trust here in Athens, or ask Willy to help but my first though was you who is close enough(!) to Athens! Please give me your advise on how to deal with the problem and anything you need to help you figure it out do not hesitate to ask me.... Thanking you in advance Best regards Manos Athens - Greece ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Thu Sep 4 21:17:00 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:17:00 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: RM-5 rewire Message-ID: <27071168.1220555820776.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Luis, what model does the rm-5 operate? tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Luis Peromarta >Sent: Sep 4, 2008 12:36 PM >To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: RM-5 rewire > >Dear friends, > >can any of you send a wiring schematics for the RM-5 connector? I >guess it's a 5pin DIN socket, correct me if I'm wrong. > >Thanks, and best rgds, LP. > > > > >Inicio del mensaje reenviado: > > >Ola Luis > >I am Manos from NAKTALK, Athens Greece, and would like to ask if you can >help me out with a problem i have: >I recently bought an RM-5 remote for my LX-5 or RX 505 (ebay item >160259417109) which turned out to be modified for other use. >I would like to have it restored to its original operation, is there a >way you could help me? >I opened (unscrewed it) the male plug and noticed the 6 different >color cables, which give the commands ( i guess one for every of the six >buttons of the remote), all attached to it, but i do not have the >original NAK plug required to try and bring it back to its original >setup.....nor i can figure out which cable gives the right >command......The main remote seems unattached therefore i believe >whoever modified it just used the original commands for the other unit >(the plug looks like for an AKAI reel to reel) >I can send it over as long as you can reply you can accept it, i also >thought to address the forum for a spare male NAK plug donation and some >help with the cables and pass it over to a tech i can trust here in >Athens, or ask Willy to help but my first though was you who is close >enough(!) to Athens! >Please give me your advise on how to deal with the problem and >anything you need to help you figure it out do not hesitate to ask >me.... >Thanking you in advance >Best regards >Manos >Athens - Greece > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From vidalgo at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 23:31:52 2008 From: vidalgo at gmail.com (Vitaly Ovseitsev) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:31:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: RM-5 rewire In-Reply-To: <337970AD-CD0C-495D-9ACD-A2FA35831BA1@peromarta.org> References: <48BFB4FF.8050302@otenet.gr> <337970AD-CD0C-495D-9ACD-A2FA35831BA1@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <61ffb2d50809041431o171d5648ta2d5da86d6560ae@mail.gmail.com> Hello. I have RM-5 remote, got it with MR-1. Connector is 8-pin DIN, and here is (see attached) connector pinout for MR-2. Sure both MR-1 MR-2 share the same remote. Central pin (#8) is common. Connector's plastic sleeve is fitted tight so I can't open it easy for check. Inside of the box: wire color - button ---------------------- yellow - FF red - PAUSE orange - PLAY violet - not used black - STOP blue - REC green - REW white - common of all buttons And pcb has clear marking on each wire joint. That's what I can see, don't checked it with DVM. regards, Vitaly Ovseitsev Jerusalem On 9/4/08, Luis Peromarta wrote: > Dear friends, > > can any of you send a wiring schematics for the RM-5 connector? I > guess it's a 5pin DIN socket, correct me if I'm wrong. > > Thanks, and best rgds, LP. > > > > > Inicio del mensaje reenviado: > > > Ola Luis > > I am Manos from NAKTALK, Athens Greece, and would like to ask if you can > help me out with a problem i have: > I recently bought an RM-5 remote for my LX-5 or RX 505 (ebay item > 160259417109) which turned out to be modified for other use. > I would like to have it restored to its original operation, is there a > way you could help me? > I opened (unscrewed it) the male plug and noticed the 6 different > color cables, which give the commands ( i guess one for every of the six > buttons of the remote), all attached to it, but i do not have the > original NAK plug required to try and bring it back to its original > setup.....nor i can figure out which cable gives the right > command......The main remote seems unattached therefore i believe > whoever modified it just used the original commands for the other unit > (the plug looks like for an AKAI reel to reel) > I can send it over as long as you can reply you can accept it, i also > thought to address the forum for a spare male NAK plug donation and some > help with the cables and pass it over to a tech i can trust here in > Athens, or ask Willy to help but my first though was you who is close > enough(!) to Athens! > Please give me your advise on how to deal with the problem and > anything you need to help you figure it out do not hesitate to ask > me.... > Thanking you in advance > Best regards > Manos > Athens - Greece > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Willy scanned 5 missing bulletin's: OOD-SI-3065 RX-202/RX-202E Modification of Circuits OOD-SI-3067 BX-125/BX-125E Electrical Adjustment Instructions and Schematic Diagram OOD-SI-3074 BX-125/BX-125E Troubleshooting OOD-SI-3078 BX-125/BX-125E Error Correction in Service Manual OOD-SI-3111 CR-4/CR-4A/CR-4E Principle of operation Also Willy provided a 'pricipal of operation' on the auto azimuth circuit in the 1000ZXL that can also be found on the wiki pages: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=autoazimuth If you have anything you want to share put it on the wiki or ask me to do it for you. Wouter From mfallon at windstream.net Fri Sep 5 14:12:01 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 8:12:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XL-II tape clearance Message-ID: <20080905121201.QJRA27873.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Continuing my fall housecleaning, I have two lots of used Maxell tapes for sale. These are the gray shell style sold in the mid-90's. All have been very gently used/Nak decks/non-smoking environment. Lot #1 Forty XLII-90s and hard shell carry case (holds 24) for $50 (includes postage) Lot #2 Forty XLII-90s and 10 XLII-100s for $50 (includes postage). thanks, Mike From keitheng.nakmen3 at btinternet.com Fri Sep 5 16:29:40 2008 From: keitheng.nakmen3 at btinternet.com (Keith England) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:29:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XL-II tape clearance References: <20080905121201.QJRA27873.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Message-ID: <111C89B8172A43519DE772A280FAE3C5@FAMILY> Hello Mike, What would the postage cost be to United Kingdom ? I'm interested in buying Lot #1 Would you accept PayPal? Regards Keith England ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" ; Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XL-II tape clearance > > > Continuing my fall housecleaning, I have two lots of used Maxell tapes > for sale. > These are the gray shell style sold in the mid-90's. All have been very > gently used/Nak decks/non-smoking environment. > > Lot #1 > Forty XLII-90s and hard shell carry case (holds 24) for $50 (includes > postage) > > Lot #2 > Forty XLII-90s and 10 XLII-100s for $50 (includes postage). > > thanks, > Mike > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Fri Sep 5 22:54:38 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:54:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes Message-ID: Hi, Anyone try Akai GX90 tapes? I am looking to pick some up for my Dragon along with a bunch of SA90s and Maxells. Regards, Gene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Sep 6 23:45:32 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:45:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gene, Akai GX90 are great tapes! The shell and mechanical tracking are better than most other tapes. You may have to tweak the deck's bias, because with most deck's standard setting, the GX90 suffers a b it higher treble distortion than TDK or Maxell, and tends to be a little bass-heavy. Tweaking the bias (usually, reducing bias current) opens up the treble and reduces the distortion to equal or better that of TDK or Maxell. I've experienced fewer dropouts with the GX90 than with Soy or generic tape brands. Grab 'em wherever you can find 'em! On Sep 5, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Gene Ess wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone try Akai GX90 tapes? I am looking to pick some up for my > Dragon along with a bunch of SA90s and Maxells. > > Regards, > > Gene > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 6 03:40:01 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <690110.33683.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gene,   I have and have sold over 2000 units of these on ebay.   Naktalkers, please buy it from www.batteriesandbutter.com   They are selling it cheap there. Its not the best type II like the XLII or XLII-s but are very good for the price.   Regards, ram --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Gene Ess wrote: From: Gene Ess Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 4:54 PM Hi,   Anyone try Akai GX90 tapes?  I am looking to pick some up for my Dragon along with a bunch of SA90s and Maxells.   Regards,   Gene ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is a fairly comprehensive review by one of the members of Tapeheads.net here: http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=753 Be advised though that Matt was not very impressed with their performance, while several others of us at Tapeheads have been quite satisfied with them for what they are. Hope this helps. Best regards, Mike Hazel -------------- Original message from "Gene Ess" : -------------- Hi, Anyone try Akai GX90 tapes? I am looking to pick some up for my Dragon along with a bunch of SA90s and Maxells. Regards, Gene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Sat Sep 6 14:59:07 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:59:07 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes References: Message-ID: <009401c91020$58f292e0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Gene I can't recall who 'actually' makes these, but they are OK.. a basic chrome like Sony UX.. ..use them myself . cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Ess To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 6:54 AM Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes Hi, Anyone try Akai GX90 tapes? I am looking to pick some up for my Dragon along with a bunch of SA90s and Maxells. Regards, Gene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrplosay at gci.net Sat Sep 6 17:02:44 2008 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 07:02:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Message 4 References: <200809061001.m86A1Pmj020140@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Gene -- There is a detailed review of the Akai GX-90 and SX-90 tapes on www.tapeheads.net, a forum devoted specifically to taping and tape enthusiasts. It seems to be a decent tape, but not up to the older SA or XLII issues, and slightly less capable than today's SA and XLII issues. More hiss and noise was present. Of course, it is also readily available and cheap. Jim > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:54:38 -0400 > From: "Gene Ess" > Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > Anyone try Akai GX90 tapes? I am looking to pick some up for my Dragon > along with a bunch of SA90s and Maxells. > > Regards, > > Gene From shpickering at yahoo.ca Sat Sep 6 22:15:16 2008 From: shpickering at yahoo.ca (braxus) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:15:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 Deck Message-ID: I just won off Ebay a DR-1 supposedely in working order. The reason I got it was I wanted a deck with playback azimuth adjustment. Anyway how does this deck compare to the top decks like the Dragon, CR-7A, ZX-9, and 1000ZXL in terms of sound? Im aware this deck uses the drive gear transport which is recommended. What else can you say about the DR-1? When was it on the market and for how much? Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Sun Sep 7 00:18:47 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:18:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Kermit, Hmmm, more confusion. I am getting conflicting reports on these tapes. With the Dragon, the bias is easily tweaked... Are these tapes abrasive at all to the tape path? Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:46 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes Hi Gene, Akai GX90 are great tapes! The shell and mechanical tracking are better than most other tapes. You may have to tweak the deck's bias, because with most deck's standard setting, the GX90 suffers a b it higher treble distortion than TDK or Maxell, and tends to be a little bass-heavy. Tweaking the bias (usually, reducing bias current) opens up the treble and reduces the distortion to equal or better that of TDK or Maxell. I've experienced fewer dropouts with the GX90 than with Soy or generic tape brands. Grab 'em wherever you can find 'em! 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URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Sun Sep 7 01:15:57 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:15:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Message 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for the info and link. I do notice slight drop outs on both the new SA90 and XLIIs on the Dragon. The Dragon just came back from ESL so I was hoping to score better tapes. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Plosay Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:03 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Message 4 Gene -- There is a detailed review of the Akai GX-90 and SX-90 tapes on www.tapeheads.net, a forum devoted specifically to taping and tape enthusiasts. It seems to be a decent tape, but not up to the older SA or XLII issues, and slightly less capable than today's SA and XLII issues. More hiss and noise was present. Of course, it is also readily available and cheap. Jim > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:54:38 -0400 > From: "Gene Ess" > Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > Anyone try Akai GX90 tapes? I am looking to pick some up for my Dragon > along with a bunch of SA90s and Maxells. > > Regards, > > Gene ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 7 01:29:51 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 Deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <71983.14013.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott, In MHO, the DR 1 s not even in the league of the other Naks mentioned suchas the Cr, ZX or ZXL series decks. Sound is subjective. Even so, the Dr1 is way way below the CR, ZX decks by a long shot in terms of the sound quality and should not even be compared to them for keeping the playing field fair. The ZXL .....Aw well, I shall not comment on this one, for it may start a whole new thread again, which we all do not want . Do we? The DR series were created by Nakamichi in the 90s just to stay in business in the tape formats as CDs were becoming dominant players. It was like Nak said me too.....amongst other manufacturers of the time making cassette decks. Of course, the DR1 i a good deck compared, perhaps to other manufacturers of the time, but build quality was way down in Naks at the time and most were made in Singapore, Malaysia and not Japan like the older vintage Naks. Regards, Ram --- On Sat, 9/6/08, braxus wrote: From: braxus Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 Deck To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 4:15 PM I just won off Ebay a DR-1 supposedely in working order. The reason I got it was I wanted a deck with playback azimuth adjustment. Anyway how does this deck compare to the top decks like the Dragon, CR-7A, ZX-9, and 1000ZXL in terms of sound? Im aware this deck uses the drive gear transport which is recommended. What else can you say about the DR-1?   When was it on the market and for how much?   Scott========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 02:29:33 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:29:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 Deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <48c320f5.14b48c0a.2f35.ffff8208@mx.google.com> The DR-1 was on the market from '92-'98 and sold for $930 when it was discontinued. Willy _____ From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of braxus Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 1:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 Deck I just won off Ebay a DR-1 supposedely in working order. The reason I got it was I wanted a deck with playback azimuth adjustment. Anyway how does this deck compare to the top decks like the Dragon, CR-7A, ZX-9, and 1000ZXL in terms of sound? Im aware this deck uses the drive gear transport which is recommended. What else can you say about the DR-1? When was it on the market and for how much? Scott -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sun Sep 7 06:19:22 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 23:19:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gene, On Sep 6, 2008, at 5:18 PM, Gene Ess wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > Hmmm, more confusion. I am getting conflicting reports on these > tapes. With the Dragon, the bias is easily tweaked... > Are these tapes abrasive at all to the tape path? All tapes are abrasive, albeit mildly, but I did not find the Akai GX90 tapes to be unduly abrasive, no more so than TDK D and SA or Maxell UD and early UD-XLII. Tapes like Memorex or cheap duplicator ferric tapes are more abrasive than GX90, but I'd not worry about the quality of the GX90's surface finish. When you receive conflicting reports, remember that storage conditions can degrade otherwise excellent tapes. I bought some Maxell XLII off eBay that shed oxide like a longhaired cat in summer. After complaing to the seller, he admitted the tapes had been stored in an attic for years. Maxell XLII normally are excellent tapes, but bad storage ruined them. Also I notice that certain decks seem to emphasize problems with certain tapes. For example, my Nakamichi 500, 600 and 550 seem to like almost any quality tape -- except for Fuji -- and exhibit few dropouts, but my Revox B77 doesn't like Ampex or Scotch Type I tapes, but Fuji, TDK, and Maxell are fine. With the Revox B710, any brand Type II or Type IV (metal) tape runs smooth as silk, but forget running any sort of Fuji, Scotch, Ampex or Maxell in my B&O Beocord 9000, yet Akai, Sunkyong and TDK cassettes work quite well. The B&O has quite a few problems with almost all metal tapes and the only ones I've found that run smoothly are THAT's brand, which are now very hard to find. I could be wrong on this, but I think some Nakamichi decks (pad lifter types) run with too light of pressure on the tape, so they experience more problems with dropouts or high-frequency loss with some brands than older Nakamichi decks would. I'd not recommend Scotch, Ampex, Fuji or possibly JVC with a pad-lifter Nakamichi. I know I'dve had an abnormal number of problems running those brands smoothly on my 581 and 680ZX. Regardless of the tape you use in your deck, keep the heads clean, cleaner, cleanest. > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Sun Sep 7 06:53:21 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 00:53:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Kermit, So in your opinion, the GX90 is no more abrasive to the tape path than a new TDK SA90 or UD-XL II? I don't want any premature tape path damage on my Naks... I actually just recorded music I know very well (my own) using a cheaper deck (MR-1) and GX90. Sounds good to me. Not nearly as good as my Dragon though. I've also found the new SA90 and UD-XL IIs will have slight drops here and there during recording. I recorded some music using older Maxell UD-XL IIs and SA90s from the 80's and early 90's. The drops are almost gone. So, older tapes are better quality than current? Also, virgin tapes seem to have less drops than recording over existing audio/used tapes which makes sense. Am I making sense? I am not a tape deck electronics guru. However, being a musician, I have a very fine ear and am cursed with absolute pitch as well. Not 1 deck I own matches in speed which is really frustrating. I am matching all my decks to the Dragon speed as I was told this unit is now in "perfect pitch" speed from ESL. I can kind of understand why tape decks are things of the past. Although, turntables are as good as ever, it seems. Don't be afraid to get technical with me. I have pretty good knowledge of electronics and am capable of repairing almost any electronics. It is the tape transport that is a mystery to me as I don't have any of the tools and gauges, etc. Best, Gene www.jazzgenemusic.com -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 12:19 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes Hi Gene, On Sep 6, 2008, at 5:18 PM, Gene Ess wrote: Hi Kermit, Hmmm, more confusion. I am getting conflicting reports on these tapes. With the Dragon, the bias is easily tweaked... Are these tapes abrasive at all to the tape path? All tapes are abrasive, albeit mildly, but I did not find the Akai GX90 tapes to be unduly abrasive, no more so than TDK D and SA or Maxell UD and early UD-XLII. Tapes like Memorex or cheap duplicator ferric tapes are more abrasive than GX90, but I'd not worry about the quality of the GX90's surface finish. When you receive conflicting reports, remember that storage conditions can degrade otherwise excellent tapes. I bought some Maxell XLII off eBay that shed oxide like a longhaired cat in summer. After complaing to the seller, he admitted the tapes had been stored in an attic for years. Maxell XLII normally are excellent tapes, but bad storage ruined them. Also I notice that certain decks seem to emphasize problems with certain tapes. For example, my Nakamichi 500, 600 and 550 seem to like almost any quality tape -- except for Fuji -- and exhibit few dropouts, but my Revox B77 doesn't like Ampex or Scotch Type I tapes, but Fuji, TDK, and Maxell are fine. With the Revox B710, any brand Type II or Type IV (metal) tape runs smooth as silk, but forget running any sort of Fuji, Scotch, Ampex or Maxell in my B&O Beocord 9000, yet Akai, Sunkyong and TDK cassettes work quite well. The B&O has quite a few problems with almost all metal tapes and the only ones I've found that run smoothly are THAT's brand, which are now very hard to find. I could be wrong on this, but I think some Nakamichi decks (pad lifter types) run with too light of pressure on the tape, so they experience more problems with dropouts or high-frequency loss with some brands than older Nakamichi decks would. I'd not recommend Scotch, Ampex, Fuji or possibly JVC with a pad-lifter Nakamichi. I know I'dve had an abnormal number of problems running those brands smoothly on my 581 and 680ZX. Regardless of the tape you use in your deck, keep the heads clean, cleaner, cleanest. -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Sun Sep 7 10:12:00 2008 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 10:12:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 Deck References: Message-ID: Hi Scott! DR-1 is exactly the same deck as Cassette Deck 1 exept for the front panel. To me this deck sounds very good. Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: braxus To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 Deck I just won off Ebay a DR-1 supposedely in working order. The reason I got it was I wanted a deck with playback azimuth adjustment. Anyway how does this deck compare to the top decks like the Dragon, CR-7A, ZX-9, and 1000ZXL in terms of sound? Im aware this deck uses the drive gear transport which is recommended. What else can you say about the DR-1? When was it on the market and for how much? Scott ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 7 17:09:18 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Message 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <70697.21610.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gene, Which tape did ESL tune your Dragon to? Perhaps not the SA or XII. Unfortunately, decks with no BLE ( Bias, level, Eq) capability can not fine tune the parameters as good as decks with the BLE ability. Therefore, decks such as CR, Dragon ZX etc. need to be tuned at the service shop to the tapes one will be using routinely. Otherwise, bias and level can be precise, but the recording Eq will be astray and result in very slightly unpleasant recordings on non tuned tapes on that deck. Hope I made my point! Regards, Ram --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Gene Ess wrote: From: Gene Ess Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Message 4 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 7:15 PM Thanks for the info and link. I do notice slight drop outs on both the new SA90 and XLIIs on the Dragon. The Dragon just came back from ESL so I was hoping to score better tapes. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Plosay Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:03 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Message 4 Gene -- There is a detailed review of the Akai GX-90 and SX-90 tapes on www.tapeheads.net, a forum devoted specifically to taping and tape enthusiasts. It seems to be a decent tape, but not up to the older SA or XLII issues, and slightly less capable than today's SA and XLII issues. More hiss and noise was present. Of course, it is also readily available and cheap. Jim > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:54:38 -0400 > From: "Gene Ess" > Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > Anyone try Akai GX90 tapes? I am looking to pick some up for my Dragon > along with a bunch of SA90s and Maxells. > > Regards, > > Gene ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 7 17:16:21 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <283885.39843.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gene, I just sent you a reply that somewhat answers the tweaking of bias, level and eq. The AKai GX is a mediocre tape at best and not by any standards an excellent one as compared to even the new Maxell XLII or XLII-s. The newer TDK SA are of better tape quality than the GX,  but inferior molded shells.The bass is undefined at best and sounds muddy in almost any deck you play/record on, unless you have a BLE adjustable deck like the ZXL, Teac Z series decks. If price is the only criterion, then by all means go for it. Otherwise, ebay still has better tapes like Fuji DRII, or older Fuji, Maxell, TDKs still available. Regards, Ram --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Gene Ess wrote: From: Gene Ess Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 6:18 PM Hi Kermit,   Hmmm, more confusion.  I am getting conflicting reports on these tapes.  With the Dragon, the bias is easily tweaked... Are these tapes abrasive at all to the tape path?       Gene   -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:46 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes Hi Gene,  Akai GX90 are great tapes! The shell and mechanical tracking are better than most other tapes. You may have to tweak the deck's bias, because with most deck's standard setting, the GX90 suffers a b it higher treble distortion than TDK or Maxell, and tends to be a little bass-heavy. Tweaking the bias (usually, reducing bias current) opens up the treble and reduces the distortion to equal or better that of TDK or Maxell. I've experienced fewer dropouts with the GX90 than with Soy or generic tape brands. Grab 'em wherever you can find 'em! On Sep 5, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Gene Ess wrote: Hi,   Anyone try Akai GX90 tapes?  I am looking to pick some up for my Dragon along with a bunch of SA90s and Maxells.   Regards,   Gene ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrplosay at gci.net Sun Sep 7 19:35:59 2008 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:35:59 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Akai GX90 tapes References: <200809071001.m87A14j6013524@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: There is a comprehensive and detailed review of these tapes here: http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=753. Most Tapeheaders have been buying a lot of these tapes. > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:45:32 -0500 > From: Kermit Gray > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Gene, > > Akai GX90 are great tapes! The shell and mechanical tracking are > better than most other tapes. You may have to tweak the deck's bias, > because with most deck's standard setting, the GX90 suffers a b it > higher treble distortion than TDK or Maxell, and tends to be a little > bass-heavy. Tweaking the bias (usually, reducing bias current) opens > up the treble and reduces the distortion to equal or better that of > TDK or Maxell. I've experienced fewer dropouts with the GX90 than with > Soy or generic tape brands. Grab 'em wherever you can find 'em! > > On Sep 5, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Gene Ess wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Anyone try Akai GX90 tapes? I am looking to pick some up for my >> Dragon along with a bunch of SA90s and Maxells. >> >> Regards, >> >> Gene From modernizy at netscape.net Sun Sep 7 22:11:20 2008 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 00:11:20 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes References: Message-ID: <005701c91125$e94a1ba0$7548fea9@fwamd> My experience with Akai GX-90 tapes is quite different. I got a bunch of these tapes in Germany in 1991-1992. All of them suffer a very heavy copy-through effect making them worthless for serious recordings. I also found the tape highs were dull and lifeless while the bass tends to be boomy. So I stopped buying them since then. At the same time please note that all my comments could be specific for the tapes sold in a particular country at a particular time, i.e. be specific to the certain lot of these cassette tapes made during some period of time. With the very best wishes, Nick. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kermit Gray To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: 7 сентября 2008 г. 1:45 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes Hi Gene, Akai GX90 are great tapes! The shell and mechanical tracking are better than most other tapes. You may have to tweak the deck's bias, because with most deck's standard setting, the GX90 suffers a b it higher treble distortion than TDK or Maxell, and tends to be a little bass-heavy. Tweaking the bias (usually, reducing bias current) opens up the treble and reduces the distortion to equal or better that of TDK or Maxell. I've experienced fewer dropouts with the GX90 than with Soy or generic tape brands. 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Good Stuff   Rgds, BG --- On Fri, 9/5/08, Wouter Heijke wrote: From: Wouter Heijke Subject: [naktalk] wiki contributions by Willy To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 7:01 PM Hi Everyone, There have been soms additions to the service bulletin's on the wiki. Willy scanned 5 missing bulletin's: OOD-SI-3065 RX-202/RX-202E Modification of Circuits OOD-SI-3067 BX-125/BX-125E Electrical Adjustment Instructions and Schematic Diagram OOD-SI-3074 BX-125/BX-125E Troubleshooting OOD-SI-3078 BX-125/BX-125E Error Correction in Service Manual OOD-SI-3111 CR-4/CR-4A/CR-4E Principle of operation Also Willy provided a 'pricipal of operation' on the auto azimuth circuit in the 1000ZXL that can also be found on the wiki pages: http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=autoazimuth If you have anything you want to share put it on the wiki or ask me to do it for you. Wouter ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwywit at telus.net Mon Sep 8 05:08:49 2008 From: dwywit at telus.net (Lindsay & Peter) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:08:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Power Supply -Volts/Hz Message-ID: <412B3CAF21E1444FAB0F021658C0C442@witham1> I recently purchased a BX300 to upgrade from my BX150, in the process of bringing it back to life by replacing idler tire and checking the condition of the belt I noticed something which leads to the following question. My BX150 is constantly set to work at 120v 50Hz whereas the BX300 I purchased is switchable between 120v and 240v , since 240V also means the current cycles at 60Hz and the owners manual states that the switchable option depends on the regulation of the country where the unit is purchased. My question is do these units have a different power supply to those sold in countries where regulation do not allow for the switchable option, or is the power supply the same but the switch is not wired in to the power supply circuit and a blanking plate screwed over the rear access where the switch would be? When using the switchable option does it account for the Hz-cycle of the current as well as the voltage difference. If so this then leads to another question, back in 1992 I was purchasing separates - meridian cd player, quad pre and power amps knowing that in 1995 I would be moving to Canada from the UK and I wanted units, that when the time came could be converted from 240 v to 120 v for use in Canada. I researched tape decks and turntables at that time but was lead to believe that since tape decks and turntables rotate/spin at a lot slower speed than a cd player that even though the voltage could be changed, because the current cycled at 240v 60Hz and 120V 50Hz the rotation/spin would have a noticeable difference affecting the playback of tapes and the playing of LP's -Is this true ? Due to this I did not purchase a tape deck at the time nor a turntable, so my tapes and albums sat in boxes, forgot for years until one day I re discovered them and went hunting on the internet for advice on what tape deck to buy and ended up discovering naktalk. Also at the time (1992) I was looking at tape decks, the ones I saw in the UK were not switchable. Looking forward to your thoughts. Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Mon Sep 8 06:50:00 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 00:50:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Message 4 In-Reply-To: <70697.21610.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ram, My Dragon is tuned to TDK SA, D, and MA per Jeff at ESL. It bothers me that the new SAs and XL-IIs aren't as good as ones I've had for years. The batch of SA90's I bought, when recording will show slight volume drops here and there. Pretty much only noticeable with headphones, though. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 11:09 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Message 4 Gene, Which tape did ESL tune your Dragon to? Perhaps not the SA or XII. Unfortunately, decks with no BLE ( Bias, level, Eq) capability can not fine tune the parameters as good as decks with the BLE ability. Therefore, decks such as CR, Dragon ZX etc. need to be tuned at the service shop to the tapes one will be using routinely. Otherwise, bias and level can be precise, but the recording Eq will be astray and result in very slightly unpleasant recordings on non tuned tapes on that deck. Hope I made my point! Regards, Ram --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Gene Ess wrote: From: Gene Ess Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Message 4 To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 7:15 PM Thanks for the info and link.I do notice slight drop outs on both the new SA90 and XLIIs on the Dragon.The Dragon just came back from ESL so I was hoping to score better tapes.Gene-----Original Message-----From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]OnBehalf Of Jim PlosaySent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:03 AMTo: naktalk at naks.comSubject: [naktalk] Re: Message 4Gene --There is a detailed review of the Akai GX-90 and SX-90 tapes onwww.tapeheads.net, a forum devoted specifically to taping and tapeenthusiasts. It seems to be a decent tape, but not up to the older SA orXLII issues, and slightly less capable than today's SA and XLII issues.More hiss and noise was present. Of course, it is also readily availableand cheap.Jim>> Message: 4> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:54:38 -0400> From: "Gene Ess" > Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes> To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1">> Hi,>> Anyone try Akai GX90 tapes? I am looking to pick some up for my Dragon> along with a bunch of SA90s and Maxells.>> Regards,>> Gene========---------------------------------------------------------======= == Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------- -----------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========----------------------- ----------------------------------=================------------------------- --------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------- -----------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========------------------------ ---------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Mon Sep 8 06:51:05 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 00:51:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Akai GX90 tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Jim, I'll check the link out. Thanks. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Plosay Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Akai GX90 tapes There is a comprehensive and detailed review of these tapes here: http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=753. Most Tapeheaders have been buying a lot of these tapes. > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:45:32 -0500 > From: Kermit Gray > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Gene, > > Akai GX90 are great tapes! The shell and mechanical tracking are > better than most other tapes. You may have to tweak the deck's bias, > because with most deck's standard setting, the GX90 suffers a b it > higher treble distortion than TDK or Maxell, and tends to be a little > bass-heavy. Tweaking the bias (usually, reducing bias current) opens > up the treble and reduces the distortion to equal or better that of > TDK or Maxell. I've experienced fewer dropouts with the GX90 than with > Soy or generic tape brands. Grab 'em wherever you can find 'em! > > On Sep 5, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Gene Ess wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Anyone try Akai GX90 tapes? I am looking to pick some up for my >> Dragon along with a bunch of SA90s and Maxells. >> >> Regards, >> >> Gene ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Mon Sep 8 06:55:25 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 00:55:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes In-Reply-To: <283885.39843.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ram, The GX sounds okay on my MR-1. Not the B version with the IEC EQ standard from 1981. I think I will stick to just the SA90s and XLIIs. Jeff at ESL recommends that. I just don't think the new SA90s sound that great. And the XLIIs don't either to my ears compared to older SAs and XLIIs. Am I not hearing right? Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 11:16 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes Gene, I just sent you a reply that somewhat answers the tweaking of bias, level and eq. The AKai GX is a mediocre tape at best and not by any standards an excellent one as compared to even the new Maxell XLII or XLII-s. The newer TDK SA are of better tape quality than the GX, but inferior molded shells.The bass is undefined at best and sounds muddy in almost any deck you play/record on, unless you have a BLE adjustable deck like the ZXL, Teac Z series decks. If price is the only criterion, then by all means go for it. Otherwise, ebay still has better tapes like Fuji DRII, or older Fuji, Maxell, TDKs still available. Regards, Ram --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Gene Ess wrote: From: Gene Ess Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 6:18 PM Hi Kermit, Hmmm, more confusion. I am getting conflicting reports on these tapes. With the Dragon, the bias is easily tweaked... Are these tapes abrasive at all to the tape path? Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:46 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes Hi Gene, Akai GX90 are great tapes! The shell and mechanical tracking are better than most other tapes. You may have to tweak the deck's bias, because with most deck's standard setting, the GX90 suffers a b it higher treble distortion than TDK or Maxell, and tends to be a little bass-heavy. Tweaking the bias (usually, reducing bias current) opens up the treble and reduces the distortion to equal or better that of TDK or Maxell. I've experienced fewer dropouts with the GX90 than with Soy or generic tape brands. Grab 'em wherever you can find 'em! On Sep 5, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Gene Ess wrote: Hi, Anyone try Akai GX90 tapes? I am looking to pick some up for my Dragon along with a bunch of SA90s and Maxells. Regards, Gene ========------------------------------------------------------ ---========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========------------------------------------------------------ ---========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------ ---========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register========---------------------------------------- -----------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglistMaintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk========------------------------ ---------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james.brodsky at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 09:07:59 2008 From: james.brodsky at gmail.com (James Brodsky) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 01:07:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Power Supply -Volts/Hz In-Reply-To: <412B3CAF21E1444FAB0F021658C0C442@witham1> References: <412B3CAF21E1444FAB0F021658C0C442@witham1> Message-ID: <211ca5a30809080007u5ad2d36bsb2b1ef5a68f9c5dc@mail.gmail.com> Peter: I have two Nak 480's - a working unit and a parts deck. Without specifically digging the parts deck out of storage to look, it has a switchable 120/240 power supply like the configuration you mention below. The working deck is hardwired for 120. The power supplies are different. The working deck does not appear to have the terminals on the power supply to support 240 - the one in the parts deck appears more complex and substantial, and has extra leads that go to the 120/240 switch on the rear panel. As for your other question, I know that there are several brands of turntable (Rega, Linn, AR come to mind) that use a different size pulley to maintain speed accuracy depending on whether or not you intend to run it off 50hz or 60hz. -jb On 9/7/08, Lindsay & Peter wrote: > > > > I recently purchased a BX300 to upgrade from my BX150, in the process of > bringing it back to life by replacing idler tire and checking the condition > of the belt I noticed something which leads to the following question. My > BX150 is constantly set to work at 120v 50Hz whereas the BX300 I purchased > is switchable between 120v and 240v , since 240V also means the current > cycles at 60Hz and the owners manual states that the switchable option > depends on the regulation of the country where the unit is purchased. > > My question is do these units have a different power supply to those sold in > countries where regulation do not allow for the switchable option, or is the > power supply the same but the switch is not wired in to the power supply > circuit and a blanking plate screwed over the rear access where the switch > would be? > > When using the switchable option does it account for the Hz-cycle of the > current as well as the voltage difference. > > If so this then leads to another question, back in 1992 I was purchasing > separates – meridian cd player, quad pre and power amps knowing that in > 1995 I would be moving to Canada from the UK and I wanted units, that when > the time came could be converted from 240 v to 120 v for use in Canada. > > I researched tape decks and turntables at that time but was lead to believe > that since tape decks and turntables rotate/spin at a lot slower speed than > a cd player that even though the voltage could be changed, because the > current cycled at 240v 60Hz and 120V 50Hz the rotation/spin would have a > noticeable difference affecting the playback of tapes and the playing of > LP's –Is this true ? Due to this I did not purchase a tape deck at the time > nor a turntable, so my tapes and albums sat in boxes, forgot for years until > one day I re discovered them and went hunting on the internet for advice on > what tape deck to buy and ended up discovering naktalk. > > > > Also at the time (1992) I was looking at tape decks, the ones I saw in the > UK were not switchable. > > > > Looking forward to your thoughts. > > > > Peter > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From kmashlan at shaw.ca Mon Sep 8 09:28:48 2008 From: kmashlan at shaw.ca (Ken Mashlan) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:28:48 +1200 Subject: [naktalk] Power Supply -Volts/Hz In-Reply-To: <412B3CAF21E1444FAB0F021658C0C442@witham1> References: <412B3CAF21E1444FAB0F021658C0C442@witham1> Message-ID: <000c01c91184$899f8d20$9cdea760$@ca> I have been through this moving from NZ to Canada and back. NZ/England is 240/230 50hz vs North America with 120/110 60hz. The determination is based on if the item has and AC or DC motor. In the case of my decks, they were switchable, but my turntables were not. One turntable had an AC motor, so in Canada ran 20% faster than it did in NZ (60hz vs 50hz). Another turntable had a DC motor in it, and it ran fine. Voltage converters only convert the voltage, not the cycles. I am not sure with a deck - I know the motors are DC so the cycles shouldn't matter (as long as the voltage is correct) - but I am not sure if there is anything else in them that happens on AC. I know the bias is AC, but don't know if that is driven by the AC frequency (I suspect not). In a nutshell if the power comes in and is instantly converted to DC and then DC is used from that point on, then the cycles won't mater, only voltage will matter. Interesting sideline. I have a Canadian UPS which I use for my computer router and ADSL connection. They all run off DC adapters (wall warts) and the ups is fed with 240V transformed to 120V, but at 50HZ. Interesting thing is that if it switches to battery, it starts generating 120V 60HZ. The resulting spike (or change) locks up my router and I have to power it off and back on and all is fine. I am not sure why, but it seems the change from 50HZ to 60HZ causes some sort of blackout or surge in the adapters. Weird, but not a big problem. Ken From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Lindsay & Peter Sent: Monday, 8 September 2008 3:09 p.m. To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Power Supply -Volts/Hz I recently purchased a BX300 to upgrade from my BX150, in the process of bringing it back to life by replacing idler tire and checking the condition of the belt I noticed something which leads to the following question. My BX150 is constantly set to work at 120v 50Hz whereas the BX300 I purchased is switchable between 120v and 240v , since 240V also means the current cycles at 60Hz and the owners manual states that the switchable option depends on the regulation of the country where the unit is purchased. My question is do these units have a different power supply to those sold in countries where regulation do not allow for the switchable option, or is the power supply the same but the switch is not wired in to the power supply circuit and a blanking plate screwed over the rear access where the switch would be? When using the switchable option does it account for the Hz-cycle of the current as well as the voltage difference. If so this then leads to another question, back in 1992 I was purchasing separates - meridian cd player, quad pre and power amps knowing that in 1995 I would be moving to Canada from the UK and I wanted units, that when the time came could be converted from 240 v to 120 v for use in Canada. I researched tape decks and turntables at that time but was lead to believe that since tape decks and turntables rotate/spin at a lot slower speed than a cd player that even though the voltage could be changed, because the current cycled at 240v 60Hz and 120V 50Hz the rotation/spin would have a noticeable difference affecting the playback of tapes and the playing of LP's -Is this true ? Due to this I did not purchase a tape deck at the time nor a turntable, so my tapes and albums sat in boxes, forgot for years until one day I re discovered them and went hunting on the internet for advice on what tape deck to buy and ended up discovering naktalk. Also at the time (1992) I was looking at tape decks, the ones I saw in the UK were not switchable. Looking forward to your thoughts. Peter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From altti.hellakoski at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 12:29:21 2008 From: altti.hellakoski at gmail.com (Altti Hellakoski) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:29:21 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes Message-ID: <7ae77aa0809080329la77b7adua9f74495648e9dd@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I have roughly 500+ cassettes myself, mostly TDK SA or SA-X. What is the best place (internet) to buy good quality blank cassettes? Do you know any place where new ones can be purchased? is there any manufacturer that still is in the business? I am interested in buying quantaties of 50-100 pcs. -altti- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Sep 8 13:44:17 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:44:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Power Supply -Volts/Hz In-Reply-To: <412B3CAF21E1444FAB0F021658C0C442@witham1> References: <412B3CAF21E1444FAB0F021658C0C442@witham1> Message-ID: <48C51011.40404@verizon.net> Lindsay & Peter wrote: > > I recently purchased a BX300 to upgrade from my BX150, in the process > of bringing it back to life by replacing idler tire and checking the > condition of the belt I noticed something which leads to the following > question. My BX150 is constantly set to work at 120v 50Hz whereas the > BX300 I purchased is switchable between 120v and 240v , since 240V > also means the current cycles at 60Hz and the owners manual states > that the switchable option depends on the regulation of the country > where the unit is purchased. > > My question is do these units have a different power supply to those > sold in countries where regulation do not allow for the switchable > option, or is the power supply the same but the switch is not wired in > to the power supply circuit and a blanking plate screwed over the > rear access where the switch would be? > According to the BX-300 schematic, there are three BX-300 variants, where the only differences are the power transformer and fuse values. The Europe/UK/Australia version utilizes a 240V power transformer, with an internally wireable 220V tap (wired for either 220VAC or 240VAC, depending on the target market). The US version utilizes a 115AC transformer (no tap). The 'Other' version utilizes a dual primary transformer, with a rear panel switch, that allows placing the primaries either in series for 230VAC operation, or in parallel for 115VAC operation. Everything else in the power supplies is the same. > > When using the switchable option does it account for the Hz-cycle of > the current as well as the voltage difference. > Line frequency for the BX-300 is immaterial. > > If so this then leads to another question, back in 1992 I was > purchasing separates -- meridian cd player, quad pre and power amps > knowing that in 1995 I would be moving to Canada from the UK and I > wanted units, that when the time came could be converted from 240 v to > 120 v for use in Canada. > > I researched tape decks and turntables at that time but was lead to > believe that since tape decks and turntables rotate/spin at a lot > slower speed than a cd player that even though the voltage could be > changed, because the current cycled at 240v 60Hz and 120V 50Hz the > rotation/spin would have a noticeable difference affecting the > playback of tapes and the playing of LP's --Is this true ? Due to > this I did not purchase a tape deck at the time nor a turntable, so my > tapes and albums sat in boxes, forgot for years until one day I re > discovered them and went hunting on the internet for advice on what > tape deck to buy and ended up discovering naktalk. > This is a concern only when the capstan motor) is AC line driven. This is not the case for the BX-300. > > Also at the time (1992) I was looking at tape decks, the ones I saw in > the UK were not switchable. > You can always use an external line transformer to supply the deck with the correct voltage. Just make sure that, first, it's power rating is adequate (at least 50VA for the BX-300) and, second, that it is physically placed away form the deck, to avoid hum. -- Ron > > > Looking forward to your thoughts. > > > > Peter > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks. >> >> >> Regards, >> Mike >> >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jagtar at semplay.com Mon Sep 8 14:33:19 2008 From: jagtar at semplay.com (Jagtar Semplay) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:33:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes In-Reply-To: <7ae77aa0809080329la77b7adua9f74495648e9dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <7ae77aa0809080329la77b7adua9f74495648e9dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5B05A48C-78D2-445D-A93D-2F15374557BD@semplay.com> Hi Altti I have some 100x BASF Chrome Super 2 C60 and 50x That's EM-X (type 2) C90. I may have some TDK MA but will check. I am based in London UK, all tapes have been stored in a cool, dark, dry room. Regards Jagtar On 8 Sep 2008, at 11:29, Altti Hellakoski wrote: > Hi all, > > I have roughly 500+ cassettes myself, mostly TDK SA or SA-X. > What is the best place (internet) to buy good quality blank > cassettes? Do you know any place where new ones can be purchased? > is there any manufacturer that still is in the business? > > I am interested in buying quantaties of 50-100 pcs. > > -altti- > > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 8 14:33:59 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 05:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <110544.56879.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gene, The older tapes are definitely better and you ears are telling you nothing but the truth. Regards, Ram --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Gene Ess wrote: From: Gene Ess Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes To: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 12:55 AM Hi Ram,   The GX sounds okay on my MR-1.  Not the B version with the IEC EQ standard from 1981.  I think I will stick to just the SA90s and XLIIs.  Jeff at ESL recommends that. I just don't think the new SA90s sound that great.  And the XLIIs don't either to my ears compared to older SAs and XLIIs.  Am I not hearing right?   Gene   -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of shanti ramachandran Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 11:16 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes Gene, I just sent you a reply that somewhat answers the tweaking of bias, level and eq. The AKai GX is a mediocre tape at best and not by any standards an excellent one as compared to even the new Maxell XLII or XLII-s. The newer TDK SA are of better tape quality than the GX,  but inferior molded shells.The bass is undefined at best and sounds muddy in almost any deck you play/record on, unless you have a BLE adjustable deck like the ZXL, Teac Z series decks. If price is the only criterion, then by all means go for it. Otherwise, ebay still has better tapes like Fuji DRII, or older Fuji, Maxell, TDKs still available. Regards, Ram --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Gene Ess wrote: From: Gene Ess Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 6:18 PM Hi Kermit,   Hmmm, more confusion.  I am getting conflicting reports on these tapes.  With the Dragon, the bias is easily tweaked... Are these tapes abrasive at all to the tape path?       Gene   -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:46 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes Hi Gene,  Akai GX90 are great tapes! The shell and mechanical tracking are better than most other tapes. You may have to tweak the deck's bias, because with most deck's standard setting, the GX90 suffers a b it higher treble distortion than TDK or Maxell, and tends to be a little bass-heavy. Tweaking the bias (usually, reducing bias current) opens up the treble and reduces the distortion to equal or better that of TDK or Maxell. I've experienced fewer dropouts with the GX90 than with Soy or generic tape brands. Grab 'em wherever you can find 'em! On Sep 5, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Gene Ess wrote: Hi,   Anyone try Akai GX90 tapes?  I am looking to pick some up for my Dragon along with a bunch of SA90s and Maxells.   Regards,   Gene ========---------------------------------------------------------=========          Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------=========                        Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Mon Sep 8 14:37:00 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:37:00 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Akai GX90 tapes References: Message-ID: <007901c911af$96f5a600$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Jim, Thanks for putting up that link. Interesting reading.. that is pretty much the same summary as I recall was published somewhere many years ago regarding the Akai SX and GX tapes. My small stockholding is about 15 years old and I have only used a couple of tapes, (all picked up ex Duty free Melbourne when those places sold such things!!) I found the SX average, but the GX Ok, on a par with Sony UX or Maxell UD.. at least as fed into my 582Z. The cases and housings look the same as my old stock.. could it be that the stock currently being sold in the U.S. is in fact 'old' too? I think I may have couple of Akai HX around here if my memory serves me right.. must check them out in a mont of two when I set everything back up in NZ. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Ess" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Akai GX90 tapes > Hi Jim, > > I'll check the link out. Thanks. > > Gene > > > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Jim Plosay > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:36 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Akai GX90 tapes > > > There is a comprehensive and detailed review of these tapes here: > http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=753. Most Tapeheaders have been > buying a lot of these tapes. > >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:45:32 -0500 >> From: Kermit Gray >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes >> To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hi Gene, >> >> Akai GX90 are great tapes! The shell and mechanical tracking are >> better than most other tapes. You may have to tweak the deck's bias, >> because with most deck's standard setting, the GX90 suffers a b it >> higher treble distortion than TDK or Maxell, and tends to be a little >> bass-heavy. Tweaking the bias (usually, reducing bias current) opens >> up the treble and reduces the distortion to equal or better that of >> TDK or Maxell. I've experienced fewer dropouts with the GX90 than with >> Soy or generic tape brands. Grab 'em wherever you can find 'em! >> >> On Sep 5, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Gene Ess wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Anyone try Akai GX90 tapes? I am looking to pick some up for my >>> Dragon along with a bunch of SA90s and Maxells. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Gene > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From keitheng.nakmen3 at btinternet.com Mon Sep 8 15:11:13 2008 From: keitheng.nakmen3 at btinternet.com (Keith England) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:11:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes References: <7ae77aa0809080329la77b7adua9f74495648e9dd@mail.gmail.com> <5B05A48C-78D2-445D-A93D-2F15374557BD@semplay.com> Message-ID: Hi Jagtar, Are the cassette tapes which you are selling new or old? How much are you asking for them. Regards Keith England From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Sep 8 16:50:20 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Power Supply -Volts/Hz Message-ID: <16076897.1220885420902.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Sep 8 16:55:56 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] DIY service caution Message-ID: <9699927.1220885756075.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I worked on a 681ZX this Sunday which had had prior service. The mechanism itself had been removed, serviced and reinstalled. I found evidence by noting that the head connection cables were routed through a chassis hole and passed diectly beside the bias transformer! Normal routing of record and play head wires is behind a chassis rail and through another hole well away from the transformer. If you service your own decks, make notes about wire placements! These details matter a great deal making audible differences. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From jagtar at semplay.com Mon Sep 8 17:52:24 2008 From: jagtar at semplay.com (Jagtar Semplay) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:52:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes In-Reply-To: References: <7ae77aa0809080329la77b7adua9f74495648e9dd@mail.gmail.com> <5B05A48C-78D2-445D-A93D-2F15374557BD@semplay.com> Message-ID: Hi Keith Thanks, all my cassettes are new and sealed, not sure of prices but will let you know. I am only covering my costs really so they should be in the region of £1.50 maximum each. If I can do them for less I will do to fellow Nakamichi users. Are you based in UK? Regards Jagtar On 8 Sep 2008, at 14:11, Keith England wrote: > Hi Jagtar, > > Are the cassette tapes which you are selling new or old? > > How much are you asking for them. > > Regards > > Keith England > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From keitheng.nakmen3 at btinternet.com Mon Sep 8 22:21:52 2008 From: keitheng.nakmen3 at btinternet.com (Keith England) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:21:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes References: <7ae77aa0809080329la77b7adua9f74495648e9dd@mail.gmail.com><5B05A48C-78D2-445D-A93D-2F15374557BD@semplay.com> Message-ID: <6F5D5C36DB83471DB6B1D2B174B8451B@FAMILY> Hi Jagtar, Thanks for coming back to me. I live in the UK. Actually I live in North London. I'm seriously interested in purchasing some of your cassettes. Please call me on 020-8881 2362 Regards Keith England ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jagtar Semplay" To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes > Hi Keith > > Thanks, all my cassettes are new and sealed, not sure of prices but will > let you know. I am only covering my costs really so they should be in the > region of £1.50 maximum each. > > If I can do them for less I will do to fellow Nakamichi users. Are you > based in UK? > > Regards > Jagtar > > On 8 Sep 2008, at 14:11, Keith England wrote: > >> Hi Jagtar, >> >> Are the cassette tapes which you are selling new or old? >> >> How much are you asking for them. >> >> Regards >> >> Keith England >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Sep 8 22:36:12 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:36:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Power Supply -Volts/Hz In-Reply-To: <16076897.1220885420902.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16076897.1220885420902.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48C58CBC.9060202@verizon.net> Tom, As I stated, Line frequency is immaterial for the BX-300. This is because power is specified by Nakamichi as 50/60Hz. This means that the transformer cores are chosen with 50Hz in mind. So, while your note is quite true *in general*, there is no cause for the OP to worry about *his BX-300*. -- Ron Tom Brucker wrote: > > Just to add one more note, the frequency CAN make a difference. 50 Hz > transformers are a bit heavier in the core than 60Hz because a > transformer is less efficient at 50 Hz. Using a 60 Hz transformer at > 50 Hz will give slightly less voltage, and create slightly more heat. > I suspect in some cases the transformer's internal thermal fuse may > open. You might check your BX300 after a few hours of operation. If > the transformer is too hot to comfortably touch, then I would search > for a 50 Hz power transformer. If it smells at all like a hot > transformer, discontinue use until yoiu find the proper part. > > > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lindsay & Peter > Sent: Sep 7, 2008 11:08 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Power Supply -Volts/Hz > > I recently purchased a BX300 to upgrade from my BX150, in the > process of bringing it back to life by replacing idler tire and > checking the condition of the belt I noticed something which leads > to the following question. My BX150 is constantly set to work at > 120v 50Hz whereas the BX300 I purchased is switchable between 120v > and 240v , since 240V also means the current cycles at 60Hz and > the owners manual states that the switchable option depends on the > regulation of the country where the unit is purchased. > > My question is do these units have a different power supply to > those sold in countries where regulation do not allow for the > switchable option, or is the power supply the same but the switch > is not wired in to the power supply circuit and a blanking plate > screwed over the rear access where the switch would be? > > When using the switchable option does it account for the Hz-cycle > of the current as well as the voltage difference. > > If so this then leads to another question, back in 1992 I was > purchasing separates – meridian cd player, quad pre and power > amps knowing that in 1995 I would be moving to Canada from the UK > and I wanted units, that when the time came could be converted > from 240 v to 120 v for use in Canada. > > I researched tape decks and turntables at that time but was lead > to believe that since tape decks and turntables rotate/spin at a > lot slower speed than a cd player that even though the voltage > could be changed, because the current cycled at 240v 60Hz and 120V > 50Hz the rotation/spin would have a noticeable difference > affecting the playback of tapes and the playing of LP’s –Is this > true ? Due to this I did not purchase a tape deck at the time nor > a turntable, so my tapes and albums sat in boxes, forgot for years > until one day I re discovered them and went hunting on the > internet for advice on what tape deck to buy and ended up > discovering naktalk. > > > > Also at the time (1992) I was looking at tape decks, the ones I > saw in the UK were not switchable. > > > > Looking forward to your thoughts. > > > > Peter > > > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jagtar at semplay.com Tue Sep 9 10:48:26 2008 From: jagtar at semplay.com (Jagtar Semplay) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:48:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes In-Reply-To: <6F5D5C36DB83471DB6B1D2B174B8451B@FAMILY> References: <7ae77aa0809080329la77b7adua9f74495648e9dd@mail.gmail.com><5B05A48C-78D2-445D-A93D-2F15374557BD@semplay.com> <6F5D5C36DB83471DB6B1D2B174B8451B@FAMILY> Message-ID: Hi Keith Thanks, I just tried to ring you, left a message. Regards Jagtar On 8 Sep 2008, at 21:21, Keith England wrote: > Hi Jagtar, > > Thanks for coming back to me. > > I live in the UK. > > Actually I live in North London. > > I'm seriously interested in purchasing some of your cassettes. > > > Please call me on 020-8881 2362 > > Regards > > Keith England > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jagtar Semplay" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes > > >> Hi Keith >> >> Thanks, all my cassettes are new and sealed, not sure of prices >> but will let you know. I am only covering my costs really so they >> should be in the region of £1.50 maximum each. >> >> If I can do them for less I will do to fellow Nakamichi users. >> Are you based in UK? >> >> Regards >> Jagtar >> >> On 8 Sep 2008, at 14:11, Keith England wrote: >> >>> Hi Jagtar, >>> >>> Are the cassette tapes which you are selling new or old? >>> >>> How much are you asking for them. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Keith England >>> >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From jrplosay at gci.net Tue Sep 9 22:54:16 2008 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay (mobile)) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:54:16 -0800 (AKDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Akai GX90 tapes Message-ID: <6806102.143151220993656313.JavaMail.jrplosay@mail.gci.net> No problem, Martin. We've actually had some very interested tape afficiandos scouring the web for info on Akai tapes, and the information is very scarce. Current opinion seems to be that they are a hoarded surplus warehouse lot of NOS brought over from the Far East, but that's speculation. The main seller isn't talking, so any conjecture about how long the supply will last is nebulous. I hope you browsed around a bit while you were on TapeHeads, and might even consider joining and bringing your expertise along to share. The person who wrote that review did a superb job under fairly well controlled, documented and duplicable conditions. Enjoy! Jim ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:37:00 +1000 From: "Martin & Karen Short"   > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Akai GX90 tapes To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks"   > Message-ID: <007901c911af$96f5a600$0100000a at martinsvdix8fy   > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Jim, Thanks for putting up that link. Interesting reading.. that is pretty much the same summary as I recall was published somewhere many years ago regarding the Akai SX and GX tapes. My small stockholding is about 15 years old and I have only used a couple of tapes, (all picked up ex Duty free Melbourne when those places sold such things!!) I found the SX average,  but the GX Ok, on a par with Sony UX or Maxell UD.. at least as fed into my 582Z. The cases and housings look the same as my old stock.. could it be that the stock currently being sold in the U.S. is in fact 'old' too? I think I may have couple of  Akai HX around here if my memory serves me right.. must check them out in a mont of two when I set everything back up in NZ. cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.rinewalt at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 02:01:33 2008 From: chris.rinewalt at gmail.com (Chris Rinewalt) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 16:01:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Reapir Tech Feedback: Willy Hermann Message-ID: <79c3cfa80809091701r1060d9c3l5f027878a1d5e87a@mail.gmail.com> There was talk of posting feedback about repair tech experiences in a previous thread, so I thought I would share. I emailed Willy Hermann about something strange I noticed with my Dragon while transferring some old lives tapes (I posted the story in July, subject "Dragon output question") and he agreed to take a look at it. Willy lives in the region and was kind enough to take time out of his day to meet up for both the drop off and pick up so that I wouldn't have to worry about (or pay) for shipping. He returned the deck 2 days before his 2 week turnaround estimate and I'm certain he underbilled me based upon the time he spent examining the deck, though I make no claims he'll do the same for you :). It was a very pleasant experience and I would not hesitate to ask him to look at my decks in the future. In case anyone was wondering, just as both he and I thought, there was nothing wrong with the deck. Everything was within factory spec, and Willy said the machine was in great shape. So it turns out that the noise present is just the baseline noise for that deck, which was much relief to me. Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Sep 10 23:39:58 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:39:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <576D5370-B85A-42F6-9231-8C5C7BBB9AD9@kvglabs.com> Hi Gene ... oh, I feel a good pun coming on .... Anyway, regarding tape choice, I'd make the general comment that your peace-of-mind, and the longevity of your deck, are more important than saving some money on a tape. If you're not confident that the quality of an Akai GX90 is good, avoid them. I've avoided brands of tapes because I wasn't certain of the quality. It has been interesting to see the reaction and differing experiences others have had with the Akai GX90. The differences suggest to me that either my experience with the GX90 is atypical, or quality control of Akai tapes is variable -- some are good, while others are inferior. Either way, I'm now not confident to recommend the Akai GX90 tapes any longer and after my stock of the tapes is depleted I do not plan to add any more to it. I'd like to see some samples of Akai GX tapes from other locations and put them under my microscope to compare the oxide's smoothness to that of the GX tapes I own as well as to other brands of tape. Yes, I think generally that older blank cassettes from the higher- quality brands are better than current production. Presently, as far as new production tapes I've been using Maxell's professional badged blanks and TDK tapes, occasionally Sony ferrics for spoken word tapes. Nevertheless, I'm experiencing higher THD from new production Maxell and TDK tapes than with older production Maxell and TDK tapes, even though new production Maxell and TDK tapes seem to have slightly higher maximum output levels. New production metal oxide cassettes are tacitly inferior to older tapes; it seems that the differences between old versus new are the most pronounced with metal cassettes. Fortunately, I seldom use metal cassettes, so in practice it doesn't bother me. In the 1970s, my favorite cassettes were Agfa, BASF Chromdioxid II, and Ampex 471; alas those tapes have gone the way of Diplodocus. I've never liked Fuji tapes, and my favorite metal cassette was the THAT's cassette. I've regretted not buying up as many of the THATs cassettes as possible. Another tape I really miss is the Loranger I had too many problems with dropouts from Maxell UD-XLII and TDK SA, so those brands were my second choice. I liked the sound of Maxell, but still avoided them because dropouts drive me absolutely up the wall, and Maxell had too many dropouts for my tastes. Today's Maxell XLII-S and MS Professional tapes have excellent dropout performance, as does TDK's SA-X and SM Pro, but none of them seems to be as effortlessly-clear sounding as the older UD-XLII. As long as I do not listen to older blank cassettes, I'm happy with new TDK and Maxell, but every time I hear an older cassette blank I go back to feeling like the new-production tapes sound, well, cheap compared to the older types. To my ears, and with decks, the Maxell MS and TDK SM cassettes are the closest to the "old sound." Somewhere I found an excellent web site that explained the differences among the tape binder formulae and the evolution of tape binders over the decades, and why tape binders improved, then worsened over time. I wish I could find that web site again. On Sep 6, 2008, at 11:53 PM, Gene Ess wrote: > Hi Kermit, > > So in your opinion, the GX90 is no more abrasive to the tape path > than a new TDK SA90 or UD-XL II? I don't want any premature tape > path damage on my Naks... > > I actually just recorded music I know very well (my own) using a > cheaper deck (MR-1) and GX90. Sounds good to me. Not nearly as > good as my Dragon though. I've also found the new SA90 and UD-XL > IIs will have slight drops here and there during recording. > > I recorded some music using older Maxell UD-XL IIs and SA90s from > the 80's and early 90's. The drops are almost gone. So, older > tapes are better quality than current? Also, virgin tapes seem to > have less drops than recording over existing audio/used tapes which > makes sense. > > Am I making sense? I am not a tape deck electronics guru. However, > being a musician, I have a very fine ear and am cursed with absolute > pitch as well. Not 1 deck I own matches in speed which is really > frustrating. I am matching all my decks to the Dragon speed as I > was told this unit is now in "perfect pitch" speed from ESL. I can > kind of understand why tape decks are things of the past. Although, > turntables are as good as ever, it seems. > > Don't be afraid to get technical with me. I have pretty good > knowledge of electronics and am capable of repairing almost any > electronics. It is the tape transport that is a mystery to me as I > don't have any of the tools and gauges, etc. > > Best, > > Gene > www.jazzgenemusic.com > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kulak at ozemail.com.au Thu Sep 11 03:32:33 2008 From: kulak at ozemail.com.au (Steve Kulak) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:32:33 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] NAK600 MK2 Manuals Message-ID: <2F2B5F5B77814572857082B63347B152@corp.halex.com.au> Hi, Does anyone have available the Owners Manual / Service Manual for the Nak 600 MKII? Or know of a link to their availability, or maybe a copy? Thanks Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Thu Sep 11 06:07:11 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:07:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes In-Reply-To: <576D5370-B85A-42F6-9231-8C5C7BBB9AD9@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: Hi Kermit, Thanks a lot for such an informative reply. I'll try the TDK SM to see if it is any better than SA90 and also the Maxell MS. The new Maxell's XL-IIs distort easily on my Tascam 112MKII. I was doing some math regarding tape speed. If 6% difference in cassette speed amounts to a semitone in music pitch, 1% comes to about 16.67 cents. There are 100 cents in a semitone. 16.67 cents in pitch difference is easily heard by most people. Am I doomed to digital then? I would not play with another musician that constantly played 16 cents sharp or flat from me. I've been told 1% in tape speed deviation is normal. No wonder none of my decks sound in tune with each other. Even on the same deck, speed is different at the beginning, the middle, and the end of the tape... And the drift of the speed over time is even more frustrating. Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes Hi Gene ... oh, I feel a good pun coming on .... Anyway, regarding tape choice, I'd make the general comment that your peace-of-mind, and the longevity of your deck, are more important than saving some money on a tape. If you're not confident that the quality of an Akai GX90 is good, avoid them. I've avoided brands of tapes because I wasn't certain of the quality. It has been interesting to see the reaction and differing experiences others have had with the Akai GX90. The differences suggest to me that either my experience with the GX90 is atypical, or quality control of Akai tapes is variable -- some are good, while others are inferior. Either way, I'm now not confident to recommend the Akai GX90 tapes any longer and after my stock of the tapes is depleted I do not plan to add any more to it. I'd like to see some samples of Akai GX tapes from other locations and put them under my microscope to compare the oxide's smoothness to that of the GX tapes I own as well as to other brands of tape. Yes, I think generally that older blank cassettes from the higher-quality brands are better than current production. Presently, as far as new production tapes I've been using Maxell's professional badged blanks and TDK tapes, occasionally Sony ferrics for spoken word tapes. Nevertheless, I'm experiencing higher THD from new production Maxell and TDK tapes than with older production Maxell and TDK tapes, even though new production Maxell and TDK tapes seem to have slightly higher maximum output levels. New production metal oxide cassettes are tacitly inferior to older tapes; it seems that the differences between old versus new are the most pronounced with metal cassettes. Fortunately, I seldom use metal cassettes, so in practice it doesn't bother me. In the 1970s, my favorite cassettes were Agfa, BASF Chromdioxid II, and Ampex 471; alas those tapes have gone the way of Diplodocus. I've never liked Fuji tapes, and my favorite metal cassette was the THAT's cassette. I've regretted not buying up as many of the THATs cassettes as possible. Another tape I really miss is the Loranger I had too many problems with dropouts from Maxell UD-XLII and TDK SA, so those brands were my second choice. I liked the sound of Maxell, but still avoided them because dropouts drive me absolutely up the wall, and Maxell had too many dropouts for my tastes. Today's Maxell XLII-S and MS Professional tapes have excellent dropout performance, as does TDK's SA-X and SM Pro, but none of them seems to be as effortlessly-clear sounding as the older UD-XLII. As long as I do not listen to older blank cassettes, I'm happy with new TDK and Maxell, but every time I hear an older cassette blank I go back to feeling like the new-production tapes sound, well, cheap compared to the older types. To my ears, and with decks, the Maxell MS and TDK SM cassettes are the closest to the "old sound." Somewhere I found an excellent web site that explained the differences among the tape binder formulae and the evolution of tape binders over the decades, and why tape binders improved, then worsened over time. I wish I could find that web site again. On Sep 6, 2008, at 11:53 PM, Gene Ess wrote: Hi Kermit, So in your opinion, the GX90 is no more abrasive to the tape path than a new TDK SA90 or UD-XL II? I don't want any premature tape path damage on my Naks... I actually just recorded music I know very well (my own) using a cheaper deck (MR-1) and GX90. Sounds good to me. Not nearly as good as my Dragon though. I've also found the new SA90 and UD-XL IIs will have slight drops here and there during recording. I recorded some music using older Maxell UD-XL IIs and SA90s from the 80's and early 90's. The drops are almost gone. So, older tapes are better quality than current? Also, virgin tapes seem to have less drops than recording over existing audio/used tapes which makes sense. Am I making sense? I am not a tape deck electronics guru. However, being a musician, I have a very fine ear and am cursed with absolute pitch as well. Not 1 deck I own matches in speed which is really frustrating. I am matching all my decks to the Dragon speed as I was told this unit is now in "perfect pitch" speed from ESL. I can kind of understand why tape decks are things of the past. Although, turntables are as good as ever, it seems. Don't be afraid to get technical with me. I have pretty good knowledge of electronics and am capable of repairing almost any electronics. It is the tape transport that is a mystery to me as I don't have any of the tools and gauges, etc. Best, Gene www.jazzgenemusic.com -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfallon at windstream.net Thu Sep 11 20:01:46 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:01:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII used tape clearance part 2 Message-ID: <20080911180146.IRTJ5331.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> I have two lots of used Maxell tapes for sale. These are the gray shell style sold in the mid-90's. All have been very gently used/Nak decks/non-smoking environment. Lot #1 Forty-eight Maxell XLII-90s and 2 hard shell carry cases (each holds 24) for $30 (includes postage) Lot #2 Forty Maxell XLII-90s and 10 XLII-100s for $30 (includes postage). thanks, Mike From luis at peromarta.org Fri Sep 12 09:51:23 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:51:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII used tape clearance part 2 In-Reply-To: <20080911180146.IRTJ5331.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> References: <20080911180146.IRTJ5331.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Message-ID: <888B5B5C-F772-44B6-AEDC-C47F34827EE4@peromarta.org> Hi Mike, I would be interested in Lot 2, can you ship to Spain? I will pay for the extra shipping cost, of course, do you accept paypal? Best rgds, LP. El 11/09/2008, a las 20:01, escribió: I have two lots of used Maxell tapes for sale. These are the gray shell style sold in the mid-90's. All have been very gently used/Nak decks/non-smoking environment. Lot #1 Forty-eight Maxell XLII-90s and 2 hard shell carry cases (each holds 24) for $30 (includes postage) Lot #2 Forty Maxell XLII-90s and 10 XLII-100s for $30 (includes postage). thanks, Mike ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= From mfallon at windstream.net Fri Sep 12 12:50:41 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 6:50:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII used tape clearance part 2 Message-ID: <20080912105041.TMVR5331.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> sorry, no Paypal. shipping to Spain will probably be at least $25 > > From: Luis Peromarta > Date: 2008/09/12 Fri AM 03:51:23 EDT > To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maxell XLII used tape clearance part 2 > > Hi Mike, I would be interested in Lot 2, can you ship to Spain? I will > pay for the extra shipping cost, of course, do you accept paypal? > > Best rgds, LP. > > El 11/09/2008, a las 20:01, > escribió: > > > I have two lots of used Maxell tapes for sale. These are the gray > shell style sold in the mid-90's. All have been very gently used/Nak > decks/non-smoking environment. > > > Lot #1 > Forty-eight Maxell XLII-90s and 2 hard shell carry cases (each holds > 24) for $30 (includes postage) > > Lot #2 > Forty Maxell XLII-90s and 10 XLII-100s for $30 (includes postage). > > thanks, > Mike > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Fri Sep 12 15:31:29 2008 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:31:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Pressure rollers Message-ID: Hello! Do anyone knows a supplier of pressure rollers for the Dragon? Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Fri Sep 12 15:41:35 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:41:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell XLII used tape clearance part 2 In-Reply-To: <20080912105041.TMVR5331.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> References: <20080912105041.TMVR5331.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Message-ID: <56B8D0B3-94ED-4198-B398-ABD8022F244F@peromarta.org> No problem. Best rgds, LP. El 12/09/2008, a las 12:50, escribió: sorry, no Paypal. shipping to Spain will probably be at least $25 From jagtar at semplay.com Fri Sep 12 15:42:30 2008 From: jagtar at semplay.com (Jagtar Semplay) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:42:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes In-Reply-To: <6F5D5C36DB83471DB6B1D2B174B8451B@FAMILY> References: <7ae77aa0809080329la77b7adua9f74495648e9dd@mail.gmail.com><5B05A48C-78D2-445D-A93D-2F15374557BD@semplay.com> <6F5D5C36DB83471DB6B1D2B174B8451B@FAMILY> Message-ID: Hi Keith Good to see you the other day, just to let you know that i have a small amount of Maxell MX-S metal tapes that are regarded as of the very best with a superior transport mechanism. Let me know if you want any before I offer them generally, these are now very rare and would probably cost more than £25 plus. I have some C46 and C90 versions, the C46 use slightly thicker tape and ideal for making calibration and test tapes. Best regards Jagtar On 8 Sep 2008, at 21:21, Keith England wrote: > Hi Jagtar, > > Thanks for coming back to me. > > I live in the UK. > > Actually I live in North London. > > I'm seriously interested in purchasing some of your cassettes. > > > Please call me on 020-8881 2362 > > Regards > > Keith England > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jagtar Semplay" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes > > >> Hi Keith >> >> Thanks, all my cassettes are new and sealed, not sure of prices >> but will let you know. I am only covering my costs really so they >> should be in the region of £1.50 maximum each. >> >> If I can do them for less I will do to fellow Nakamichi users. >> Are you based in UK? >> >> Regards >> Jagtar >> >> On 8 Sep 2008, at 14:11, Keith England wrote: >> >>> Hi Jagtar, >>> >>> Are the cassette tapes which you are selling new or old? >>> >>> How much are you asking for them. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Keith England >>> >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 12 19:08:41 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Pressure rollers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <133141.96701.qm@web83108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ESLabs probably has them. They will not be cheap. You can also send them to Terry Witt at http://www.terrysrubberrollers.com/ He does an excellent job at rebuilding any rubber roller or idler wheel, same specs as new, no runout at all. He charges $35 per roller and $5 shipping per order. The originals will be much more than that. He rebuilt my pinchroller for my Revox C270 and it's perfect. He will even replace the bearing if needed. Warren --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Pär Ericsson wrote: From: Pär Ericsson Subject: [naktalk] Pressure rollers To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:31 AM Hello!   Do anyone knows a supplier of pressure rollers for the Dragon?   Pelle.========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 12 23:50:57 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <401807.79325.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Gentlemen, Could we please kindly keep the business details of your private transactions private ? Thanks ram --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Jagtar Semplay wrote: From: Jagtar Semplay Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:42 AM Hi Keith Good to see you the other day, just to let you know that i have a small amount of Maxell MX-S metal tapes that are regarded as of the very best with a superior transport mechanism. Let me know if you want any before I offer them generally, these are now very rare and would probably cost more than £25 plus. I have some C46 and C90 versions, the C46 use slightly thicker tape and ideal for making calibration and test tapes. Best regards Jagtar On 8 Sep 2008, at 21:21, Keith England wrote: > Hi Jagtar, > > Thanks for coming back to me. > > I live in the UK. > > Actually I live in North London. > > I'm seriously interested in purchasing some of your cassettes. > > > Please call me on 020-8881 2362 > > Regards > > Keith England > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jagtar Semplay" > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes > > >> Hi Keith >> >> Thanks, all my cassettes are new and sealed, not sure of prices >> but will let you know. I am only covering my costs really so they >> should be in the region of £1.50 maximum each. >> >> If I can do them for less I will do to fellow Nakamichi users. >> Are you based in UK? >> >> Regards >> Jagtar >> >> On 8 Sep 2008, at 14:11, Keith England wrote: >> >>> Hi Jagtar, >>> >>> Are the cassette tapes which you are selling new or old? >>> >>> How much are you asking for them. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Keith England >>> >>> >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >>> naktalk >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >>> ========= >> >> >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ >> naktalk >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- >> ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jagtar at semplay.com Sat Sep 13 00:14:18 2008 From: jagtar at semplay.com (Jagtar Semplay) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:14:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes In-Reply-To: <401807.79325.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <401807.79325.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <67C754E4-C878-4893-B485-07323451A25D@semplay.com> Thanks Ram I have already apologised for my error in sending my recent email but just in case my email is floating in space, I will say sorry again. Regards Jagtar On 12 Sep 2008, at 22:50, shanti ramachandran wrote: > Gentlemen, > > Could we please kindly keep the business details of your private > transactions private ? > > Thanks > ram > > --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Jagtar Semplay wrote: > From: Jagtar Semplay > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 9:42 AM > > Hi Keith > > Good to see you the other day, just to let you know that i have a > small amount of Maxell MX-S metal tapes that are regarded as of the > very best with a superior transport mechanism. > > Let me know if you want any before I offer them generally, these are > now very rare and would probably cost more than £25 > plus. > > I have some C46 and C90 versions, the C46 use slightly thicker tape > and ideal for making calibration and test tapes. > > Best regards > Jagtar > > On 8 Sep 2008, at 21:21, Keith England wrote: > > > Hi Jagtar, > > > > Thanks for coming back to me. > > > > I live in the UK. > > > > Actually I live in North London. > > > > I'm seriously interested in purchasing some of your cassettes. > > > > > > Please call me on 020-8881 2362 > > > > Regards > > > > Keith England > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jagtar Semplay" > > > > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tapes > > > > > >> Hi Keith > >> > >> Thanks, all my cassettes are new and sealed, not sure of prices > > >> but will let you know. I am only covering my costs really so they > >> should be in the region of £1.50 maximum each. > >> > >> If I can do them for less I will do to fellow Nakamichi users. > >> Are you based in UK? > >> > >> Regards > >> Jagtar > >> > >> On 8 Sep 2008, at 14:11, Keith England wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Jagtar, > >>> > >>> Are the cassette tapes which you are selling new or old? > >>> > >>> How much are you asking for them. > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> Keith England > >>> > >>> > >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> ========= > >>> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >>> > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> ========= > >>> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >>> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > >>> naktalk > >>> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> ========= > >> > >> > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> ========= > >> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > >> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > >> naktalk > >> ========--------------------------------------------------------- > >> > ========= > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > > naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/ > naktalk > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > ========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrplosay at gci.net Sun Sep 14 04:24:19 2008 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:24:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480/482 Function Button Lamps References: <200809121001.m8CA11mY004312@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: I just picked up a black Nak 482 to join with my silver Nak 480. Both of them have several of the lamps or LEDs (I assume) for the PLAY/PAUSE/REC buttons out, and now that I have two decks I figure I should repair them all on both decks. Can someone point me in the right direction as to the ratings of the bulb or LED used in these positions? Anything special I need to know before I desolder and replace these bulbs? Thanks. Jim From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Sep 14 15:04:21 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Need ZX 7 Bias control knobs ? Message-ID: <586293.54904.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi naktalkers I need ZX 7 bias adjusting knobs 4 numbers. If anybody in naktalk have parts avaialble - I can pay for it. thanks Kannan From shpickering at yahoo.ca Sun Sep 14 18:29:18 2008 From: shpickering at yahoo.ca (braxus) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:29:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Gear Drive Parts Message-ID: <329710FF13E34E07A0A7B5DB163B6AE4@Mustang> Where today does one get the gear drive parts mod to replace the idler tires for the Dragon and CR-7A? I suspect maybe ESL has this kit, but who else would have them? And typically how much would it cost to put one of these kits in? I haven't decided on getting a Dragon or CR-7A, but I suspect they have a kit that works on both. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Sun Sep 14 21:07:43 2008 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel T. Komninos) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:07:43 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: RM-5 rewire In-Reply-To: <61ffb2d50809041431o171d5648ta2d5da86d6560ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <48BFB4FF.8050302@otenet.gr> <337970AD-CD0C-495D-9ACD-A2FA35831BA1@peromarta.org> <61ffb2d50809041431o171d5648ta2d5da86d6560ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CD60FF.3060900@otenet.gr> Hi there folks! I managed this weekend to sit down and solder the RM-5 remote with a 8 pin DIN male jack and it works just fine. Luis, Vitaly, thank you for all your help which is very much appreciated. This remote works with many NAKs i just hooked it to a LX-5 but if you check SJ FAQ site you will see all the models.... Manos From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Sep 14 21:31:39 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Gear Drive Parts Message-ID: <12072623.1221420699839.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george.valkov at gmail.com Sun Sep 14 21:35:53 2008 From: george.valkov at gmail.com (george valkov) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:35:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Gear Drive Parts In-Reply-To: <329710FF13E34E07A0A7B5DB163B6AE4@Mustang> References: <329710FF13E34E07A0A7B5DB163B6AE4@Mustang> Message-ID: <518b7b10809141235j80f9645n471ac7918ed7222f@mail.gmail.com> There is no such thing for the Dragon. Bowers & Wilkins in the UK should have the kit for the CR-7. On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 5:29 PM, braxus wrote: > Where today does one get the gear drive parts mod to replace the idler tires > for the Dragon and CR-7A? I suspect maybe ESL has this kit, but who else > would have them? And typically how much would it cost to put one of these > kits in? I haven't decided on getting a Dragon or CR-7A, but I suspect they > have a kit that works on both. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- "Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic." From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Sep 15 18:46:19 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:46:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Gear Drive Parts In-Reply-To: <12072623.1221420699839.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <12072623.1221420699839.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48CE915B.7010106@verizon.net> Tom Brucker wrote: > > IIRC most if not all CR-7 Sankyo transports are gear drive. > We wish... CR-7s shipped with a gear drive starting with S/N 10500 or so (some other source says 9500 or so). Everything before that came with the rubber tired idler. My CR-7 S/N is 2853, upgraded with a gear idler kit. Let me tell you, putting it in is a time consuming affair. Figure on 3 hours, at least. Probably more. And, BTW, the EQ mod wasn't quicker... -- Ron > Anyone else? > > > > tom brucker > > > -----Original Message----- > From: braxus > Sent: Sep 14, 2008 12:29 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Gear Drive Parts > > Where today does one get the gear drive parts mod to replace the > idler tires for the Dragon and CR-7A? I suspect maybe ESL has this > kit, but who else would have them? And typically how much would it > cost to put one of these kits in? I haven't decided on getting a > Dragon or CR-7A, but I suspect they have a kit that works on both. > > Hi Tech Service > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > Nashville, TN 37211 > hitech77 at earthlink.net > hitech at bellsouth.net > 615-331-9241 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Sep 15 23:37:17 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Gear Drive Parts In-Reply-To: <48CE915B.7010106@verizon.net> Message-ID: <862225.79816.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a CR7A with 220V/110 V switcheable power supply ( I did this modification so that it can be used in India when I take this to India in future) This unit was Stephan Sank' personal CR7A. it has both gear drive and Rec Equi mod performed by Stephan himself. It is in great condition. ( it was with one of the naktalker for the past few months - I lent it to him for hearing a CR7A). It just returned back from Houston Texas. It is not cheap due to the fact that it performs great and Stephan has done both gear update and rec equilization mod - I do not see anything special that Stephan performed but it is sounding fantastic. It is for sale ( I am very very reluctant at present but may be willing provided the buyer accepts my price). Before I change my mind - please contact me off line if interested - kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Kannan --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Ron wrote: > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gear Drive Parts > To: "Tom Brucker" , "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 12:46 PM > Tom Brucker wrote: > > > > IIRC most if not all CR-7 Sankyo transports are gear > drive. > > > We wish... CR-7s shipped with a gear drive starting with > S/N 10500 or so (some other source says 9500 or so). > Everything before that came with the rubber tired idler. > > My CR-7 S/N is 2853, upgraded with a gear idler kit. > Let me tell you, putting it in is a time consuming affair. > Figure on 3 hours, at least. Probably more. And, BTW, > the EQ mod wasn't quicker... > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Anyone else? > > > > > > > > tom brucker > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: braxus > > Sent: Sep 14, 2008 12:29 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Gear Drive Parts > > > > Where today does one get the gear drive parts mod > to replace the > > idler tires for the Dragon and CR-7A? I suspect > maybe ESL has this > > kit, but who else would have them? And typically > how much would it > > cost to put one of these kits in? I haven't > decided on getting a > > Dragon or CR-7A, but I suspect they have a kit > that works on both. > > > > Hi Tech Service > > 2934 Nolensville Rd. > > Nashville, TN 37211 > > hitech77 at earthlink.net > > hitech at bellsouth.net > > 615-331-9241 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Tue Sep 16 15:10:25 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:10:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna love this one, Ron) In-Reply-To: <116e01c917fd$55510e70$fff32b50$@freeserve.co.uk> References: <12072623.1221420699839.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <48CE915B.7010106@verizon.net> <116e01c917fd$55510e70$fff32b50$@freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <119c01c917fd$97436170$c5ca2450$@com> Feast your eyes on this one, chaps: http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/skin-effect-relevance-in-speaker-cables Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ckdawson at cableone.net Tue Sep 16 16:19:57 2008 From: ckdawson at cableone.net (Keith Dawson) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:19:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A for parts Message-ID: <4442470D7C954BFEBECD1FE667AE1645@dell> Hello fellow Nakkers, I recently wrote in asking for thoughts about apparent slowness of record/playback on my CR-7 (thanks again for the responses). I decided to send it to Jeff at ES Labs and got some very bad news indeed. Jeff's evaluation was as follows.... "We carefully examined your Nakamichi CR-7A and determined that it's been used a lot and abused by a previous service attempt. The tape path and electronics are mis-aligned. The top circuit board is missing it's hinges. The capstan motor has a speed consistency problem that might be due to scored bearings. The heads are worn-out and can't ever perform properly. It also needs a reel motor, cam control motor, all the rubber belts and rollers, RCA jack assembly and more. The cost to repair this machine properly is much too expensive, even more than a routine overhaul." In light of this, I have decided to offer the deck to the members of the Forum for the cost of shipping to your location from ES Labs. The deck is really very good in appearance. All knobs and buttons intact, LCD meters working, etc. I know that those who receive Naktalk in a piece by piece fashion rather than by Digest (like myself) will see this and be able to respond first but I could not think of any way to change that. I just ask that whoever gets it share the usable parts with others. Please contact me directly (first come, first served) and I will let you and Jeff know who the first to respond was. Then the first responder will be free to contact him for shipping details. Thanks, Keith Dawson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fripp_em at yahoo.com Tue Sep 16 17:39:52 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A for parts In-Reply-To: <4442470D7C954BFEBECD1FE667AE1645@dell> Message-ID: <44726.53546.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Keith, Sorry to hear about your misfortune. It's nice of you to think of other's needs. You might do best to offer the deck to Willy or Tom first. They are very generous with helping others and being techs can safely remove the correct parts for others. Just a thought. I know if I took it for say the gear mod, it would then sit unused as a spare parts machine, and while I would help others out, I wouldn't be as good or accurate at it as Willy would. Then again, he may not have room for it... Better luck on your next Nak deck! David --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Keith Dawson wrote: > Hello fellow Nakkers, > > I recently wrote in asking for thoughts about apparent > slowness of record/playback on my CR-7 (thanks again for the > responses). I decided to send it to Jeff at ES Labs and got > some very bad news indeed. Jeff's evaluation was as > follows.... > > "We carefully examined your Nakamichi CR-7A and > determined that it's been used a lot and abused by a > previous service attempt. The tape path and electronics are > mis-aligned. The top circuit board is missing it's > hinges. The capstan motor has a speed consistency problem > that might be due to scored bearings. The heads are > worn-out and can't ever perform properly. It also needs > a reel motor, cam control motor, all the rubber belts and > rollers, RCA jack assembly and more. The cost to repair this > machine properly is much too expensive, even more than a > routine overhaul." > > In light of this, I have decided to offer the deck to > the members of the Forum for the cost of shipping to your > location from ES Labs. The deck is really very good in > appearance. All knobs and buttons intact, LCD meters > working, etc. > > I know that those who receive Naktalk in a piece by > piece fashion rather than by Digest (like myself) will see > this and be able to respond first but I could not think of > any way to change that. I just ask that whoever gets it > share the usable parts with others. > > Please contact me directly (first come, first served) > and I will let you and Jeff know who the first to respond > was. Then the first responder will be free to contact him > for shipping details. > > Thanks, > > Keith > Dawson From ivchat at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 17:44:35 2008 From: ivchat at gmail.com (Ivo Atanasov) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:44:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A for parts In-Reply-To: <4442470D7C954BFEBECD1FE667AE1645@dell> References: <4442470D7C954BFEBECD1FE667AE1645@dell> Message-ID: <491dedb60809160844l3960e517h3ae65435ef2c4c3a@mail.gmail.com> Hello Keith, I would like to get this one, if I'm the first responder of course. Regards Ivo On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Keith Dawson wrote: > Hello fellow Nakkers, > > I recently wrote in asking for thoughts about apparent slowness of > record/playback on my CR-7 (thanks again for the responses). I decided to > send it to Jeff at ES Labs and got some very bad news indeed. Jeff's > evaluation was as follows.... > > "We carefully examined your Nakamichi CR-7A and determined that it's been > used a lot and abused by a previous service attempt. The tape path and > electronics are mis-aligned. The top circuit board is missing it's hinges. > The capstan motor has a speed consistency problem that *might* be due to > scored bearings. The heads are worn-out and can't ever perform properly. > It also needs a reel motor, cam control motor, all the rubber belts and > rollers, RCA jack assembly and more. The cost to repair this machine > properly is much too expensive, even more than a routine overhaul." > > In light of this, I have decided to offer the deck to the members of > the Forum for the cost of shipping to your location from ES Labs. The deck > is really very good in appearance. All knobs and buttons intact, LCD meters > working, etc. > > I know that those who receive Naktalk in a piece by piece fashion > rather than by Digest (like myself) will see this and be able to respond > first but I could not think of any way to change that. I just ask that > whoever gets it share the usable parts with others. > > Please contact me directly (first come, first served) and I will let > you and Jeff know who the first to respond was. Then the first > responder will be free to contact him for shipping details. > > Thanks, > > Keith Dawson > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Sep 16 18:23:12 2008 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (Walter Drewes) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:23:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A for parts References: <4442470D7C954BFEBECD1FE667AE1645@dell> Message-ID: <002901c91818$86ab1310$cd4118ac@MWDrews> Hello Keith >From my email address you might deduce that I am in Africa (South). I have a daughter in New Jersey to whom the deck might be sent. Sank has a CR7 of mine and I have a konkey one here!. If I am not too far down the que could you send it to my daughter in New Jersey ? I will be visiting her in Dec/Jan. If I am still in the running please let me know for payment methods. Paypal,Bidpay can be arranged otherwise I can entreat my daughter(last choice ) to pay for me. For years I have been chasing the cassette door amongst other things! Kind regards Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Dawson To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: jeff at nakamichi.us Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A for parts Hello fellow Nakkers, I recently wrote in asking for thoughts about apparent slowness of record/playback on my CR-7 (thanks again for the responses). I decided to send it to Jeff at ES Labs and got some very bad news indeed. Jeff's evaluation was as follows.... "We carefully examined your Nakamichi CR-7A and determined that it's been used a lot and abused by a previous service attempt. The tape path and electronics are mis-aligned. The top circuit board is missing it's hinges. The capstan motor has a speed consistency problem that might be due to scored bearings. The heads are worn-out and can't ever perform properly. It also needs a reel motor, cam control motor, all the rubber belts and rollers, RCA jack assembly and more. The cost to repair this machine properly is much too expensive, even more than a routine overhaul." In light of this, I have decided to offer the deck to the members of the Forum for the cost of shipping to your location from ES Labs. The deck is really very good in appearance. All knobs and buttons intact, LCD meters working, etc. I know that those who receive Naktalk in a piece by piece fashion rather than by Digest (like myself) will see this and be able to respond first but I could not think of any way to change that. I just ask that whoever gets it share the usable parts with others. Please contact me directly (first come, first served) and I will let you and Jeff know who the first to respond was. Then the first responder will be free to contact him for shipping details. 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URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Sep 16 19:59:36 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:59:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] more wiki documents Message-ID: <12183.62.194.57.217.1221587976.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone, I've added some additional documents scanned by Willy Hermann to the wiki pages, also an article by him to clean the RX-505 switches. http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=documents http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=technical Wouter From ckdawson at cableone.net Wed Sep 17 00:07:42 2008 From: ckdawson at cableone.net (Keith Dawson) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:07:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7A References: <48CFCB04.90600@gmail.com> Message-ID: <363BE1F4BDFD42C9910D86DD3BA87391@dell> Hello to everyone who responded and to all the Naktalkers as well, I now find myself in an embarassing situation. When I got Jeff's diagnosis, I sent an email to the person from whom I'd purchased the deck on Audiogon. I had heard nothing from him in nearly a week and really expected no more than a "So long Sucker" reply if anything at all. When I came home for lunch today, I opened my email to see who among you had been first to reply and found not only your messages but one from the seller as well. To make a long story short, he's offered me a partial refund if I return the deck to him. I don't like to back out on my offer, but recovering even some of my money may make the difference between my trying to purchase another Nak in the future or just ending my cassette hobby. I apologize to all who were interested and hope there are no hard feelings. Keith Dawson From greynlds at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 02:29:13 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:29:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7A In-Reply-To: <363BE1F4BDFD42C9910D86DD3BA87391@dell> References: <48CFCB04.90600@gmail.com> <363BE1F4BDFD42C9910D86DD3BA87391@dell> Message-ID: I guess we don't know the whole story, but why would a partial refund be acceptable? Was the deck misrepresented as being in "perfect" working order or was it sold as a deck in need of repair? If sold as being in working order, a full refund would seem to be warranted and if you paid via PayPal, it shouldn't be too difficult to get. Either way, best of luck to you with this. -- Geoffrey Reynolds On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Keith Dawson wrote: > Hello to everyone who responded and to all the Naktalkers as well, > > I now find myself in an embarassing situation. When I got Jeff's > diagnosis, I sent an email to the person from whom I'd purchased the deck on > Audiogon. I had heard nothing from him in nearly a week and really expected > no more than a "So long Sucker" reply if anything at all. > > When I came home for lunch today, I opened my email to see who among you had > been first to reply and found not only your messages but one from the seller > as well. To make a long story short, he's offered me a partial refund if I > return the deck to him. > > I don't like to back out on my offer, but recovering even some of my money > may make the difference between my trying to purchase another Nak in the > future or just ending my cassette hobby. > > I apologize to all who were interested and hope there are no hard feelings. > > Keith Dawson > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > From jrplosay at gci.net Wed Sep 17 03:36:50 2008 From: jrplosay at gci.net (Jim Plosay) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:36:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 480/482 Function Button Lamps References: <200809141000.m8EA0je5003701@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: Never got an answer here. Anybody? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:24:19 -0800 > From: Jim Plosay > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480/482 Function Button Lamps > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > I just picked up a black Nak 482 to join with my silver Nak 480. Both of > them have several of the lamps or LEDs (I assume) for the PLAY/PAUSE/REC > buttons out, and now that I have two decks I figure I should repair them > all > on both decks. Can someone point me in the right direction as to the > ratings of the bulb or LED used in these positions? Anything special I > need > to know before I desolder and replace these bulbs? Thanks. Jim > > ------------------------------ From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Wed Sep 17 05:34:37 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:34:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A for parts In-Reply-To: <15397497.1221582374616.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <091720080334.15087.48D07ACC000C495C00003AEF22243322829B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> I respectfully disagree with ESL. There's nothing that a little WD-40 and Windex cannot fix....... LOL -------------- Original message from Tom Brucker : -------------- I will take it. I will send my UPS number to Jeff Galin. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Keith Dawson Sent: Sep 16, 2008 9:19 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: jeff at nakamichi.us Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A for parts Hello fellow Nakkers, I recently wrote in asking for thoughts about apparent slowness of record/playback on my CR-7 (thanks again for the responses). I decided to send it to Jeff at ES Labs and got some very bad news indeed. Jeff's evaluation was as follows.... "We carefully examined your Nakamichi CR-7A and determined that it's been used a lot and abused by a previous service attempt. The tape path and electronics are mis-aligned. The top circuit board is missing it's hinges. The capstan motor has a speed consistency problem that might be due to scored bearings. The heads are worn-out and can't ever perform properly. It also needs a reel motor, cam control motor, all the rubber belts and rollers, RCA jack assembly and more. The cost to repair this machine properly is much too expensive, even more than a routine overhaul." In light of this, I have decided to offer the deck to the members of the Forum for the cost of shipping to your location from ES Labs. The deck is really very good in appearance. All knobs and buttons intact, LCD meters working, etc. I know that those who receive Naktalk in a piece by piece fashion rather than by Digest (like myself) will see this and be able to respond first but I could not think of any way to change that. I just ask that whoever gets it share the usable parts with others. Please contact me directly (first come, first served) and I will let you and Jeff know who the first to respond was. Then the first responder will be free to contact him for shipping details. Thanks, Keith Dawson Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Wed Sep 17 11:56:57 2008 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:56:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 480/482 Function Button Lamps References: <200809141000.m8EA0je5003701@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <3A36BAE2565B4138B50325A7EE29D57C@superdator> Hi Jim! Its standard bulbs, not LED´s. I replaced mine with 12 volts bulbs. Make sure the dimensions are correct before you buy them and choose low wattage. Good luck/Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Plosay" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 3:36 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 480/482 Function Button Lamps > Never got an answer here. Anybody? >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:24:19 -0800 >> From: Jim Plosay >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480/482 Function Button Lamps >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; >> reply-type=original >> >> I just picked up a black Nak 482 to join with my silver Nak 480. Both of >> them have several of the lamps or LEDs (I assume) for the PLAY/PAUSE/REC >> buttons out, and now that I have two decks I figure I should repair them >> all >> on both decks. Can someone point me in the right direction as to the >> ratings of the bulb or LED used in these positions? Anything special I >> need >> to know before I desolder and replace these bulbs? Thanks. Jim >> >> ------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From dougg at mmsav.com Wed Sep 17 14:17:15 2008 From: dougg at mmsav.com (Doug Guth) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:17:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480/482 Function Button Lamps In-Reply-To: References: <200809141000.m8EA0je5003701@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <4E48EB37936FCF49B8ED35936B06DDD42A2E2073B1@mail.mmsav.com> Hello Jim, >From a 481 service manual: PL601,602,603 OBO8673A Lamp 24v 20mA Hope this helps. Doug Guth, CTS Field Service Engineer Multi Media Services 1029 Thousand Oaks Blvd. Greenville, SC, 29607 (864) 297-8533 -----Original Message----- From: Jim Plosay [mailto:jrplosay at gci.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 480/482 Function Button Lamps Never got an answer here. Anybody? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:24:19 -0800 > From: Jim Plosay > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480/482 Function Button Lamps > To: naktalk at naks.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > I just picked up a black Nak 482 to join with my silver Nak 480. Both > of them have several of the lamps or LEDs (I assume) for the > PLAY/PAUSE/REC buttons out, and now that I have two decks I figure I > should repair them all on both decks. Can someone point me in the > right direction as to the ratings of the bulb or LED used in these > positions? Anything special I need to know before I desolder and > replace these bulbs? Thanks. Jim > > ------------------------------ From theshorty at bigpond.com Wed Sep 17 14:38:03 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:38:03 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 480/482 Function Button Lamps References: <200809141000.m8EA0je5003701@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c918c2$3a440c70$0200000a@martinsvdix8fy> Jim, Sorry, didn't respond initially as I thought somebody topside would chime in first. I use 12V 30mA wheat bulbs sourced from 'Dick Smith' down here in AU/NZ here.. No big deal in replacing these apart from being time consuming stripping the deck down to get at them! cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Plosay" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 480/482 Function Button Lamps > Never got an answer here. Anybody? >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:24:19 -0800 >> From: Jim Plosay >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480/482 Function Button Lamps >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; >> reply-type=original >> >> I just picked up a black Nak 482 to join with my silver Nak 480. Both of >> them have several of the lamps or LEDs (I assume) for the PLAY/PAUSE/REC >> buttons out, and now that I have two decks I figure I should repair them >> all >> on both decks. Can someone point me in the right direction as to the >> ratings of the bulb or LED used in these positions? Anything special I >> need >> to know before I desolder and replace these bulbs? Thanks. Jim >> >> ------------------------------ > > > From ra.ah at verizon.net Wed Sep 17 14:45:34 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:45:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 480/482 Function Button Lamps In-Reply-To: References: <200809141000.m8EA0je5003701@zxe.naks.com> Message-ID: <48D0FBEE.8070405@verizon.net> OK, I'll bite... First, these are tiny lamps, not LEDs. You can find electrical ratings on the parts list, in the service manual. identify the exact parts you need (not all lamps are the same). Armed with a sample of a burned out lamp (for size) and the electrical data (do not consider higher current lamp)s from the manual, search such parts dealers as Radio Shack, All Electronics, Parts Express, etc. If you cannot obtain correct replacement lamps, consider replacing each lamp with an appropriate size LED plus a resistor. Purists will object, but on the plus size, LEDS can last forever. -- Ron Jim Plosay wrote: > Never got an answer here. Anybody? >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:24:19 -0800 >> From: Jim Plosay >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480/482 Function Button Lamps >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; >> reply-type=original >> >> I just picked up a black Nak 482 to join with my silver Nak 480. >> Both of >> them have several of the lamps or LEDs (I assume) for the PLAY/PAUSE/REC >> buttons out, and now that I have two decks I figure I should repair >> them all >> on both decks. Can someone point me in the right direction as to the >> ratings of the bulb or LED used in these positions? Anything special >> I need >> to know before I desolder and replace these bulbs? Thanks. Jim >> From hitech77 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 17 16:05:02 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:05:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 480/482 Function Button Lamps Message-ID: <13724532.1221660302878.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Jim, B8552 is a 12v 25 ma lamp. I use L-30 14v 35 ma as a replacement. Using this lamp at lower voltages gives equal brightness and longer life. I can send some for $1.35 each. Typically the stop and play lamps are all that need replacing, although you could replace the tape motion sensor lamp too. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Plosay >Sent: Sep 16, 2008 8:36 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak 480/482 Function Button Lamps > >Never got an answer here. Anybody? >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:24:19 -0800 >> From: Jim Plosay >> Subject: [naktalk] Nak 480/482 Function Button Lamps >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; >> reply-type=original >> >> I just picked up a black Nak 482 to join with my silver Nak 480. Both of >> them have several of the lamps or LEDs (I assume) for the PLAY/PAUSE/REC >> buttons out, and now that I have two decks I figure I should repair them >> all >> on both decks. Can someone point me in the right direction as to the >> ratings of the bulb or LED used in these positions? Anything special I >> need >> to know before I desolder and replace these bulbs? Thanks. Jim >> >> ------------------------------ > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From theshorty at bigpond.com Wed Sep 17 23:58:52 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:58:52 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A for parts References: <091720080334.15087.48D07ACC000C495C00003AEF22243322829B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Message-ID: <006101c91910$92796450$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Or look for a donor CR-5 to snaffle the transport and heads from to rebuild this deck..too good to wreck, especially if the cosmetics are excellent. ----- Original Message ----- From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net To: Tom Brucker ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7A for parts I respectfully disagree with ESL. There's nothing that a little WD-40 and Windex cannot fix....... LOL -------------- Original message from Tom Brucker : -------------- I will take it. I will send my UPS number to Jeff Galin. tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Keith Dawson Sent: Sep 16, 2008 9:19 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: jeff at nakamichi.us Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A for parts Hello fellow Nakkers, I recently wrote in asking for thoughts about apparent slowness of record/playback on my CR-7 (thanks again for the responses). I decided to send it to Jeff at ES Labs and got some very bad news indeed. Jeff's evaluation was as follows.... "We carefully examined your Nakamichi CR-7A and determined that it's been used a lot and abused by a previous service attempt. The tape path and electronics are mis-aligned. The top circuit board is missing it's hinges. The capstan motor has a speed consistency problem that might be due to scored bearings. The heads are worn-out and can't ever perform properly. It also needs a reel motor, cam control motor, all the rubber belts and rollers, RCA jack assembly and more. The cost to repair this machine properly is much too expensive, even more than a routine overhaul." In light of this, I have decided to offer the deck to the members of the Forum for the cost of shipping to your location from ES Labs. The deck is really very good in appearance. All knobs and buttons intact, LCD meters working, etc. I know that those who receive Naktalk in a piece by piece fashion rather than by Digest (like myself) will see this and be able to respond first but I could not think of any way to change that. I just ask that whoever gets it share the usable parts with others. Please contact me directly (first come, first served) and I will let you and Jeff know who the first to respond was. Then the first responder will be free to contact him for shipping details. Thanks, Keith Dawson Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene at jazzgenemusic.com Thu Sep 18 04:38:36 2008 From: gene at jazzgenemusic.com (Gene Ess) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:38:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes In-Reply-To: <576D5370-B85A-42F6-9231-8C5C7BBB9AD9@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: Hi Kermit, I got hold of a bunch of TDK SM 60s. Definitely better than current SAs. The dropouts are pretty much gone and the sound is more crisp and accurate to my ears. I wonder if the EQ is any different than SA. My Dragon is setup to use SAs... The bias and level, I can adjust. Anyway, it sounds good to me. I'll try the Maxell MS next. Too bad the TDK SMs aren't available in 90 minutes. Thanks for the info. Best, Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes Hi Gene ... oh, I feel a good pun coming on .... Anyway, regarding tape choice, I'd make the general comment that your peace-of-mind, and the longevity of your deck, are more important than saving some money on a tape. If you're not confident that the quality of an Akai GX90 is good, avoid them. I've avoided brands of tapes because I wasn't certain of the quality. It has been interesting to see the reaction and differing experiences others have had with the Akai GX90. The differences suggest to me that either my experience with the GX90 is atypical, or quality control of Akai tapes is variable -- some are good, while others are inferior. Either way, I'm now not confident to recommend the Akai GX90 tapes any longer and after my stock of the tapes is depleted I do not plan to add any more to it. I'd like to see some samples of Akai GX tapes from other locations and put them under my microscope to compare the oxide's smoothness to that of the GX tapes I own as well as to other brands of tape. Yes, I think generally that older blank cassettes from the higher-quality brands are better than current production. Presently, as far as new production tapes I've been using Maxell's professional badged blanks and TDK tapes, occasionally Sony ferrics for spoken word tapes. Nevertheless, I'm experiencing higher THD from new production Maxell and TDK tapes than with older production Maxell and TDK tapes, even though new production Maxell and TDK tapes seem to have slightly higher maximum output levels. New production metal oxide cassettes are tacitly inferior to older tapes; it seems that the differences between old versus new are the most pronounced with metal cassettes. Fortunately, I seldom use metal cassettes, so in practice it doesn't bother me. In the 1970s, my favorite cassettes were Agfa, BASF Chromdioxid II, and Ampex 471; alas those tapes have gone the way of Diplodocus. I've never liked Fuji tapes, and my favorite metal cassette was the THAT's cassette. I've regretted not buying up as many of the THATs cassettes as possible. Another tape I really miss is the Loranger I had too many problems with dropouts from Maxell UD-XLII and TDK SA, so those brands were my second choice. I liked the sound of Maxell, but still avoided them because dropouts drive me absolutely up the wall, and Maxell had too many dropouts for my tastes. Today's Maxell XLII-S and MS Professional tapes have excellent dropout performance, as does TDK's SA-X and SM Pro, but none of them seems to be as effortlessly-clear sounding as the older UD-XLII. As long as I do not listen to older blank cassettes, I'm happy with new TDK and Maxell, but every time I hear an older cassette blank I go back to feeling like the new-production tapes sound, well, cheap compared to the older types. To my ears, and with decks, the Maxell MS and TDK SM cassettes are the closest to the "old sound." Somewhere I found an excellent web site that explained the differences among the tape binder formulae and the evolution of tape binders over the decades, and why tape binders improved, then worsened over time. I wish I could find that web site again. On Sep 6, 2008, at 11:53 PM, Gene Ess wrote: Hi Kermit, So in your opinion, the GX90 is no more abrasive to the tape path than a new TDK SA90 or UD-XL II? I don't want any premature tape path damage on my Naks... I actually just recorded music I know very well (my own) using a cheaper deck (MR-1) and GX90. Sounds good to me. Not nearly as good as my Dragon though. I've also found the new SA90 and UD-XL IIs will have slight drops here and there during recording. I recorded some music using older Maxell UD-XL IIs and SA90s from the 80's and early 90's. The drops are almost gone. So, older tapes are better quality than current? Also, virgin tapes seem to have less drops than recording over existing audio/used tapes which makes sense. Am I making sense? I am not a tape deck electronics guru. However, being a musician, I have a very fine ear and am cursed with absolute pitch as well. Not 1 deck I own matches in speed which is really frustrating. I am matching all my decks to the Dragon speed as I was told this unit is now in "perfect pitch" speed from ESL. I can kind of understand why tape decks are things of the past. Although, turntables are as good as ever, it seems. Don't be afraid to get technical with me. I have pretty good knowledge of electronics and am capable of repairing almost any electronics. It is the tape transport that is a mystery to me as I don't have any of the tools and gauges, etc. Best, Gene www.jazzgenemusic.com -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From theodore.weber at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 10:26:27 2008 From: theodore.weber at gmail.com (Theodore Weber) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:26:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes In-Reply-To: References: <576D5370-B85A-42F6-9231-8C5C7BBB9AD9@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <48d210c9.1e078e0a.23e2.ffffae03@mx.google.com> OK - now you have my attention. I have been monitoring Naktalk for over a year because I respect the expertise of the majority (yes, I too could do without the personal attacks) BUT I respect the folks that are on here. That having been said - please clarify for me the comments on the Maxell UDXL-II's. I have always been a fan of this tape and I would like to know what the overall consensus is because I just purchased a bunch (well, make that a few) Nak decks for transcribing (ZX-9, MR-1's) and some stuff for four channel (Yamaha and Lanier - note: the four channel stuff is for spoken word) and I now need to find some tape to live with for the 21 Century. Respectfully, Ted From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gene Ess Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:39 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes Hi Kermit, I got hold of a bunch of TDK SM 60s. Definitely better than current SAs. The dropouts are pretty much gone and the sound is more crisp and accurate to my ears. I wonder if the EQ is any different than SA. My Dragon is setup to use SAs... The bias and level, I can adjust. Anyway, it sounds good to me. I'll try the Maxell MS next. Too bad the TDK SMs aren't available in 90 minutes. Thanks for the info. Best, Gene -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes Hi Gene ... oh, I feel a good pun coming on .... Anyway, regarding tape choice, I'd make the general comment that your peace-of-mind, and the longevity of your deck, are more important than saving some money on a tape. If you're not confident that the quality of an Akai GX90 is good, avoid them. I've avoided brands of tapes because I wasn't certain of the quality. It has been interesting to see the reaction and differing experiences others have had with the Akai GX90. The differences suggest to me that either my experience with the GX90 is atypical, or quality control of Akai tapes is variable -- some are good, while others are inferior. Either way, I'm now not confident to recommend the Akai GX90 tapes any longer and after my stock of the tapes is depleted I do not plan to add any more to it. I'd like to see some samples of Akai GX tapes from other locations and put them under my microscope to compare the oxide's smoothness to that of the GX tapes I own as well as to other brands of tape. Yes, I think generally that older blank cassettes from the higher-quality brands are better than current production. Presently, as far as new production tapes I've been using Maxell's professional badged blanks and TDK tapes, occasionally Sony ferrics for spoken word tapes. Nevertheless, I'm experiencing higher THD from new production Maxell and TDK tapes than with older production Maxell and TDK tapes, even though new production Maxell and TDK tapes seem to have slightly higher maximum output levels. New production metal oxide cassettes are tacitly inferior to older tapes; it seems that the differences between old versus new are the most pronounced with metal cassettes. Fortunately, I seldom use metal cassettes, so in practice it doesn't bother me. In the 1970s, my favorite cassettes were Agfa, BASF Chromdioxid II, and Ampex 471; alas those tapes have gone the way of Diplodocus. I've never liked Fuji tapes, and my favorite metal cassette was the THAT's cassette. I've regretted not buying up as many of the THATs cassettes as possible. Another tape I really miss is the Loranger I had too many problems with dropouts from Maxell UD-XLII and TDK SA, so those brands were my second choice. I liked the sound of Maxell, but still avoided them because dropouts drive me absolutely up the wall, and Maxell had too many dropouts for my tastes. Today's Maxell XLII-S and MS Professional tapes have excellent dropout performance, as does TDK's SA-X and SM Pro, but none of them seems to be as effortlessly-clear sounding as the older UD-XLII. As long as I do not listen to older blank cassettes, I'm happy with new TDK and Maxell, but every time I hear an older cassette blank I go back to feeling like the new-production tapes sound, well, cheap compared to the older types. To my ears, and with decks, the Maxell MS and TDK SM cassettes are the closest to the "old sound." Somewhere I found an excellent web site that explained the differences among the tape binder formulae and the evolution of tape binders over the decades, and why tape binders improved, then worsened over time. I wish I could find that web site again. On Sep 6, 2008, at 11:53 PM, Gene Ess wrote: Hi Kermit, So in your opinion, the GX90 is no more abrasive to the tape path than a new TDK SA90 or UD-XL II? I don't want any premature tape path damage on my Naks... I actually just recorded music I know very well (my own) using a cheaper deck (MR-1) and GX90. Sounds good to me. Not nearly as good as my Dragon though. I've also found the new SA90 and UD-XL IIs will have slight drops here and there during recording. I recorded some music using older Maxell UD-XL IIs and SA90s from the 80's and early 90's. The drops are almost gone. So, older tapes are better quality than current? Also, virgin tapes seem to have less drops than recording over existing audio/used tapes which makes sense. Am I making sense? I am not a tape deck electronics guru. However, being a musician, I have a very fine ear and am cursed with absolute pitch as well. Not 1 deck I own matches in speed which is really frustrating. I am matching all my decks to the Dragon speed as I was told this unit is now in "perfect pitch" speed from ESL. I can kind of understand why tape decks are things of the past. Although, turntables are as good as ever, it seems. Don't be afraid to get technical with me. I have pretty good knowledge of electronics and am capable of repairing almost any electronics. It is the tape transport that is a mystery to me as I don't have any of the tools and gauges, etc. Best, Gene www.jazzgenemusic.com -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1674 - Release Date: 9/17/2008 9:33 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shantiram2000 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 12:28:19 2008 From: shantiram2000 at yahoo.com (shanti ramachandran) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes In-Reply-To: <48d210c9.1e078e0a.23e2.ffffae03@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <684404.27623.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ted, Your ZX9 would certainly be happily married to Maxell's UDXLII for life with no issues whatsoever. The UDXLI's are one of the best types IIs out there and most Naks were tuned to either this or the TDK SAs in the 80s. Enjoy the music. Ram --- On Thu, 9/18/08, Theodore Weber wrote: From: Theodore Weber Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes To: "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 4:26 AM OK – now you have my attention. I have been monitoring Naktalk for over a year because I respect the expertise of the majority (yes, I too could do without the personal attacks) BUT I respect the folks that are on here. That having been said -  please clarify for me the comments on the Maxell UDXL-II’s. I have always been a fan of this tape and I would like to know what the overall consensus is because I just purchased a bunch (well, make that a few) Nak decks for transcribing (ZX-9, MR-1’s) and some stuff for four channel (Yamaha and Lanier – note: the four channel stuff is for spoken word) and I now need to find some tape to live with for the 21 Century.   Respectfully,   Ted     From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Gene Ess Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 8:39 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: RE: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes   Hi Kermit,   I got hold of a bunch of TDK SM 60s.  Definitely better than current SAs.  The dropouts are pretty much gone and the sound is more crisp and accurate to my ears.  I wonder if the EQ is any different than SA.  My Dragon is setup to use SAs...  The bias and level, I can adjust.  Anyway, it sounds good to me.  I'll try the Maxell MS next.  Too bad the TDK SMs aren't available in 90 minutes.  Thanks for the info.   Best, Gene   -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kermit Gray Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:40 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Akai GX90 tapes Hi Gene ... oh, I feel a good pun coming on ....   Anyway, regarding tape choice, I'd make the general comment that your peace-of-mind, and the longevity of your deck, are more important than saving some money on a tape. If you're not confident that the quality of an Akai GX90 is good, avoid them. I've avoided brands of tapes because I wasn't certain of the quality.    It has been interesting to see the reaction and differing experiences others have had with the Akai GX90. The differences suggest to me that either my experience with the GX90 is atypical,  or quality control of Akai tapes is variable -- some are good, while others are inferior. Either way, I'm now not confident to recommend the Akai GX90 tapes any longer and after my stock of the tapes is depleted I do not plan to add any more to it.   I'd like to see some samples of Akai GX tapes from other locations and put them under my microscope to compare the oxide's smoothness to that of the GX tapes I own as well as to other brands of tape.    Yes, I think generally that older blank cassettes from the higher-quality brands are better than current production. Presently, as far as new production tapes I've been using Maxell's professional badged blanks and TDK tapes, occasionally Sony ferrics for spoken word tapes. Nevertheless, I'm experiencing higher THD from new production Maxell and TDK tapes than with older production Maxell and TDK tapes, even though new production Maxell and TDK tapes seem to have slightly higher maximum output levels.  New production metal oxide cassettes are tacitly inferior to older tapes; it seems that the differences between old versus new are the most pronounced with metal cassettes. Fortunately, I seldom use metal cassettes, so in practice it doesn't bother me.    In the 1970s, my favorite cassettes were Agfa, BASF Chromdioxid II, and Ampex 471; alas those tapes have gone the way of Diplodocus. I've never liked Fuji tapes, and my favorite metal cassette was the THAT's cassette. I've regretted not buying up as many of the THATs cassettes as possible. Another tape I really miss is the Loranger    I had too many problems with dropouts from Maxell UD-XLII and TDK SA, so those brands were my second choice. I liked the sound of Maxell, but still avoided them because dropouts drive me absolutely up the wall, and Maxell had too many dropouts for my tastes. Today's Maxell XLII-S and MS Professional tapes have excellent dropout performance, as does TDK's SA-X and SM Pro, but none of them seems to be as effortlessly-clear sounding as the older UD-XLII.  As long as I do not listen to older blank cassettes, I'm happy with new TDK and Maxell, but every time I hear an older cassette blank I go back  to feeling like the new-production tapes sound, well, cheap compared to the older types. To my ears, and with decks, the Maxell MS and TDK SM cassettes are the closest to the "old sound."   Somewhere I found an excellent web site that explained the differences among the tape binder formulae and the evolution of tape binders over the decades, and why tape binders improved, then worsened over time. I wish I could find that web site again.    On Sep 6, 2008, at 11:53 PM, Gene Ess wrote: Hi Kermit,   So in your opinion, the GX90 is no more abrasive to the tape path than a new TDK SA90 or UD-XL II?  I don't want any premature tape path damage on my Naks...   I actually just recorded music I know very well (my own) using a cheaper deck (MR-1) and GX90.  Sounds good to me.  Not nearly as good as my Dragon though.  I've also found the new SA90 and UD-XL IIs will have slight drops here and there during recording.    I recorded some music using older Maxell UD-XL IIs and SA90s from the 80's and early 90's.  The drops are almost gone.  So, older tapes are better quality than current?  Also, virgin tapes seem to have less drops than recording over existing audio/used tapes which makes sense.   Am I making sense?  I am not a tape deck electronics guru.  However, being a musician, I have a very fine ear and am cursed with absolute pitch as well.  Not 1 deck I own matches in speed which is really frustrating.  I am matching all my decks to the Dragon speed as I was told this unit is now in "perfect pitch" speed from ESL.  I can kind of understand why tape decks are things of the past.  Although, turntables are as good as ever, it seems.   Don't be afraid to get technical with me.  I have pretty good knowledge of electronics and am capable of repairing almost any electronics.  It is the tape transport that is a mystery to me as I don't have any of the tools and gauges, etc.   Best,   Gene www.jazzgenemusic.com       -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy     No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1674 - Release Date: 9/17/2008 9:33 AM ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luis at peromarta.org Thu Sep 18 18:19:10 2008 From: luis at peromarta.org (Luis Peromarta) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:19:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna love this one, Ron) In-Reply-To: <119c01c917fd$97436170$c5ca2450$@com> References: <12072623.1221420699839.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <48CE915B.7010106@verizon.net> <116e01c917fd$55510e70$fff32b50$@freeserve.co.uk> <119c01c917fd$97436170$c5ca2450$@com> Message-ID: <63AF3658-E6DB-47C3-9E71-C7293645C219@peromarta.org> Yeah, great article. Along with: http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm Which is also an old-time-favourite. "The cable that runs half the distance, is twice as good." LP. El 16/09/2008, a las 15:10, Graham A Nelson escribió: Feast your eyes on this one, chaps: http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/skin-effect-relevance-in-speaker-cables Gra' ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= From bluenote at bellsouth.net Thu Sep 18 20:24:50 2008 From: bluenote at bellsouth.net (Larry Williams) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:24:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon unable to calibrate in left channel Message-ID: <6e564b92973dc7e9de7591f4bcb4985f@bellsouth.net> Hi everyone, Just had my first problem with my Dragon. I was trying to record and when I depress the 400Hz cal. button I was unable to get the right channel to respond. This also happened when I did the bias cal. Any thoughts or quick fixes or is this a send it to a repair shop deal? Does any one know of a repair shop in the Atlanta Ga. area? Thanks for any help. Larry From shpickering at yahoo.ca Fri Sep 19 03:46:14 2008 From: shpickering at yahoo.ca (braxus) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:46:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Idler tire Message-ID: Ok. I decided to go with a Dragon which as you say doesn't have the gear drive kit, but uses the large idler tire. Can anyone comment on the idler tires being sold on Ebay under seller: n4229k, versus the tires being sold by ESL? Both claim to last 5 years and both claim that they are better then the other ones out there. Anyone comment? I ordered 2 tires from that Ebay seller because they didn't cost too much, but if anyone says to stay strictly with the ones from ESL- I would reconsider using the other ones. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bg3009 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 05:12:23 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna love this one, Ron) In-Reply-To: <63AF3658-E6DB-47C3-9E71-C7293645C219@peromarta.org> Message-ID: <283832.65579.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> LP,   Roger's article is particularly good, and till today he still stands by what he said. Apparently he tested his speakers using line cord and argues that this sounds as good as anything out there.   I have tried his recommendation, but found that, if not exotic materials, wire geometry and construction does make a difference in sound. The law of diminshing returns does work greatly for wires and interconnects of all types. The only time in audio where this law DOESN'T work, is with Nakamichis.   Regards, Bala --- On Fri, 9/19/08, Luis Peromarta wrote: From: Luis Peromarta Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna love this one, Ron) To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Cc: transbless at tiscali.co.uk Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 12:19 AM Yeah, great article. Along with: http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm Which is also an old-time-favourite. "The cable that runs half the distance, is twice as good." LP. El 16/09/2008, a las 15:10, Graham A Nelson escribió: Feast your eyes on this one, chaps: http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/skin-effect-relevance-in-speaker-cables Gra' ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Fri Sep 19 10:56:57 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:56:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna love this one, Ron) In-Reply-To: <06d101c91a29$f7774560$e665d020$@freeserve.co.uk> References: <63AF3658-E6DB-47C3-9E71-C7293645C219@peromarta.org> <283832.65579.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <06d101c91a29$f7774560$e665d020$@freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <070301c91a35$ad8715f0$089541d0$@com> I don’t know enough about the subject to say. However, a friend of mine said to me, “Inductance, capacitance, and effects on phase, amplifier feedback and radio interference do not get much of a mention off this guy! “ That said, my understanding from this article is that, while capacitance can make a difference, it isn’t audible in the lengths that 99.9% of speaker (or interconnect?) of most systems. Graham From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Bala Ganesh Chandra Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 4:12 AM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna love this one, Ron) LP, Roger's article is particularly good, and till today he still stands by what he said. Apparently he tested his speakers using line cord and argues that this sounds as good as anything out there. I have tried his recommendation, but found that, if not exotic materials, wire geometry and construction does make a difference in sound. The law of diminshing returns does work greatly for wires and interconnects of all types. The only time in audio where this law DOESN'T work, is with Nakamichis. Regards, Bala --- On Fri, 9/19/08, Luis Peromarta wrote: From: Luis Peromarta Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna love this one, Ron) To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Cc: transbless at tiscali.co.uk Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 12:19 AM Yeah, great article. Along with: http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm Which is also an old-time-favourite. "The cable that runs half the distance, is twice as good." LP. El 16/09/2008, a las 15:10, Graham A Nelson escribió: Feast your eyes on this one, chaps: http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/skin-effect-relevance-in-speaker -cables Gra' ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From theshorty at bigpond.com Fri Sep 19 12:06:21 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:06:21 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna lovethis one, Ron) References: <283832.65579.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00cb01c91a3f$5dc197c0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Hi Bala, My emails don't seem to be getting through, and your phone number doesn't 'work'.. would appreciate a call regarding my ZXL you have under repair... please.. Wouter, apologies for using this forum this way, but normal contact methods don't seem to be effective. PM me if you have any concerns. cheers, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna lovethis one, Ron) LP, Roger's article is particularly good, and till today he still stands by what he said. Apparently he tested his speakers using line cord and argues that this sounds as good as anything out there. I have tried his recommendation, but found that, if not exotic materials, wire geometry and construction does make a difference in sound. The law of diminshing returns does work greatly for wires and interconnects of all types. The only time in audio where this law DOESN'T work, is with Nakamichis. Regards, Bala --- On Fri, 9/19/08, Luis Peromarta wrote: From: Luis Peromarta Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna love this one, Ron) To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Cc: transbless at tiscali.co.uk Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 12:19 AM Yeah, great article. Along with: http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm Which is also an old-time-favourite. "The cable that runs half the distance, is twice as good." LP. El 16/09/2008, a las 15:10, Graham A Nelson escribió: Feast your eyes on this one, chaps: http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/skin-effect-relevance-in-speaker-cables Gra' ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========--------------------------------------------------------- ========= ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk Fri Sep 19 12:49:33 2008 From: phoenixdesign at clara.co.uk (John Chapman) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:49:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX 7 cassette illumination Message-ID: <9EE11299-AC9F-4E8B-AE3D-D76D636B500B@clara.co.uk> Hi All The light which illuminates the cassette has gone. Before I remove it, could someone please let me know whether it just pulls out or screws? What do I need to replace it? I'm in the UK but a tiny thing like this would not be too much to send around the world. Thanks guys John Chapman From ra.ah at verizon.net Fri Sep 19 17:47:24 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:47:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna love this one, Ron) In-Reply-To: <070301c91a35$ad8715f0$089541d0$@com> References: <63AF3658-E6DB-47C3-9E71-C7293645C219@peromarta.org> <283832.65579.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <06d101c91a29$f7774560$e665d020$@freeserve.co.uk> <070301c91a35$ad8715f0$089541d0$@com> Message-ID: <48D3C98C.3020101@verizon.net> Skin effect is but one of audiophools' favorite ploys. A valid physical phenomenon, but with an insignificant effect on sound reproduction, is blown out of all proportion, making it look like a huge problem, incurable except by throwing much money at it. Other examples are jitter in digital cables and bi-wiring, to name just two. -- Ron > > > I don't know enough about the subject to say. However, a friend of > mine said to me, "Inductance, capacitance, and effects on phase, > amplifier feedback and radio interference do not get much of a mention > off this guy! " That said, my understanding from this article is > that, while capacitance can make a difference, it isn't audible in the > lengths that 99.9% of speaker (or interconnect?) of most systems. > > > > > */Graham /* > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Bala Ganesh Chandra > *Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2008 4:12 AM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're > gonna love this one, Ron) > > > > LP, > > > > Roger's article is particularly good, and till today he still stands > by what he said. Apparently he tested his speakers using line cord and > argues that this sounds as good as anything out there. > > > > I have tried his recommendation, but found that, if not exotic > materials, wire geometry and construction does make a difference in > sound. The law of diminshing returns does work greatly for wires and > interconnects of all types. The only time in audio where this law > DOESN'T work, is with Nakamichis. > > > > Regards, > > Bala > > --- On *Fri, 9/19/08, Luis Peromarta //* wrote: > > From: Luis Peromarta > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're > gonna love this one, Ron) > To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette > Decks" > Cc: transbless at tiscali.co.uk > Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 12:19 AM > > Yeah, great article. > > > > Along with: > > > > http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm > > > > Which is also an old-time-favourite. > > > > "The cable that runs half the distance, is twice as good." > > > > LP. > > > > > > El 16/09/2008, a las 15:10, Graham A Nelson escribió: > > > > > > Feast your eyes on this one, chaps: > > > > http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/skin-effect-relevance-in-speaker-cables > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Fri Sep 19 21:05:12 2008 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:05:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Idler tire References: Message-ID: <77F694DD240442CF841DF1C9D4EB15B8@superdator> I bought tires from this seller for the classic mechanism and they work perfect! Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: braxus To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 3:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Idler tire Ok. I decided to go with a Dragon which as you say doesn't have the gear drive kit, but uses the large idler tire. Can anyone comment on the idler tires being sold on Ebay under seller: n4229k, versus the tires being sold by ESL? Both claim to last 5 years and both claim that they are better then the other ones out there. Anyone comment? 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URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Sep 19 23:27:26 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:27:26 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Idler tire Message-ID: <23120538.1221859646825.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Sep 20 00:19:26 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:19:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna love this one, Ron) In-Reply-To: <48D3C98C.3020101@verizon.net> References: <63AF3658-E6DB-47C3-9E71-C7293645C219@peromarta.org> <283832.65579.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <06d101c91a29$f7774560$e665d020$@freeserve.co.uk> <070301c91a35$ad8715f0$089541d0$@com> <48D3C98C.3020101@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2A9C1F03-FB5F-4053-8829-7FADF585089A@kvglabs.com> Hi Ron, On Sep 19, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Ron wrote: > > Skin effect is but one of audiophools' favorite ploys. A valid > physical phenomenon, but with an insignificant effect on sound > reproduction, is blown out of all proportion, making it look like > a huge problem, incurable except by throwing much money at it. > Other examples are jitter in digital cables and bi-wiring, to name > just two. > I don't know that I'd use the tacky dysphemism "audiophool" to describe those who are concerned with skin effect, but I'd heartily agree that the practical effect of, and importance of, skin effect in audio-frequency cables is greatly exaggerated. Understandably so. Otherwise, how else can a wire company expect to easily differentiate their product? In 2003, I did my own skin effect depth experiments based on the a 2002 experiment by N. P. Singh, S. C. Gupta, and B. R. Sood; Physics Department, Punjabi University, India; to determine the skin depth and Fermi velocity in metals. Their simple experimental method measured the anomalous skin depth and Fermi velocity in metals by measuring the resistance at 77 Kc of a thick metal wire specimen at frequencies of 100 cps and 100 kc. They verified the Fermi velocity by using a theoretical expression that relates the anomalous skin depth to the Fermi velocity. Skin effect is the property that high frequency alternating currents do not flow through the whole conductor area of a wire. High frequencies tend to flow only along the outer parts of the conductor. The higher the frequency, the narrower the layer of flow, and therefore higher the conduction losses. The practical effect is increased series resistance of the wire. The frequency dependency of the resistance of a cylindrical or rectangular cross-section conductor can be calculated by the following formula for high frequencies and radii of approximately 50 um: R(f) = R(DC)* (1 + 1/3 * x^4) with x = Radius/2*sqrt(pi*frequency*permeability*conductivity) An approximate equation for the resistance ratio for rectangular conductors (from Terman) is: rho = 1/(((8PI * f)/(Rdc * 10^9))^0.5) Skin depth is not an absolute quantity. It denotes the depth where alternating current through the conductor has reduced to a specific proportion of the current at the surface. Alternating current falls off exponenially moving inward from the surface. The depth of the "skin" is further influenced by proximity to adjacent conductors. Therefore, current intensity falls off exponentially with depth. Depth of penetration (s=sigma) is the depth at which the current intensity has fallen to 1/e of its value at the surface, where e equals 2.718. Where the diameter of the conductor is large compared to the depth of penetration, total current is the same as if the surface current intensity were maintained to a constant depth of penetration. For copper conductors, the depth of penetration is: MHz Depth of Penetration sigma (mm) .1 .209 1 .066 10 .021 100 .0066 1000 .0021 For materials other than copper, skin depth is: s = 503.3sqrt(rho/(urf)) millimeters rho = resistivity in Ohms-per-meter = 1.72x10e-8 for copper or 2.83x10e-8 for aluminum ur = mu r = relative magnetic permeability = 1 for both copper and aluminum f = frequency in Megacycles CONCLUSION: Notice that at 0.1 Mc, or 100,000 cps; the depth of penetration is .209 mm. This is approximately the same as the diameter of a 33-gauge solid wire. Of course, 100 Kc is well above the audio range. I discovered experimentally that at 30 Kc, through solid copper wire, skin penetration was approximately 0.647 millimeters, which the about same as the diameter of a 22-gauge wire. I was unable to make accurate measurements below 30 Kc. In other words, if skin effect worries you, make your cable from 22- gauge stranded wires -- which happens to be exactly how cheap lamp cord is made! If you're very worried about skin effect, make your cable from 33- gauge stranded wires. Easy! > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From hitech77 at earthlink.net Fri Sep 19 23:49:32 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:49:32 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [naktalk] Azimuth cable for Dragon and ZX decks Message-ID: <33004929.1221860972753.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I know a year ago someone needed the blue ladder azimuth cable for a Dragon. I won one on ebay so contact me off list if you need one. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Sat Sep 20 00:58:30 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:58:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna lovethis one, Ron) Message-ID: <380-220089519225830965@M2W042.mail2web.com> I use Goldbonds talc to ease any skin effect from the suns harsh ultra violet rays.... Original Message: ----------------- From: Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:19:26 -0500 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna lovethis one, Ron) Hi Ron, On Sep 19, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Ron wrote: > > Skin effect is but one of audiophools' favorite ploys. A valid > physical phenomenon, but with an insignificant effect on sound > reproduction, is blown out of all proportion, making it look like > a huge problem, incurable except by throwing much money at it. > Other examples are jitter in digital cables and bi-wiring, to name > just two. > I don't know that I'd use the tacky dysphemism "audiophool" to describe those who are concerned with skin effect, but I'd heartily agree that the practical effect of, and importance of, skin effect in audio-frequency cables is greatly exaggerated. Understandably so. Otherwise, how else can a wire company expect to easily differentiate their product? In 2003, I did my own skin effect depth experiments based on the a 2002 experiment by N. P. Singh, S. C. Gupta, and B. R. Sood; Physics Department, Punjabi University, India; to determine the skin depth and Fermi velocity in metals. Their simple experimental method measured the anomalous skin depth and Fermi velocity in metals by measuring the resistance at 77 Kc of a thick metal wire specimen at frequencies of 100 cps and 100 kc. They verified the Fermi velocity by using a theoretical expression that relates the anomalous skin depth to the Fermi velocity. Skin effect is the property that high frequency alternating currents do not flow through the whole conductor area of a wire. High frequencies tend to flow only along the outer parts of the conductor. The higher the frequency, the narrower the layer of flow, and therefore higher the conduction losses. The practical effect is increased series resistance of the wire. The frequency dependency of the resistance of a cylindrical or rectangular cross-section conductor can be calculated by the following formula for high frequencies and radii of approximately 50 um: R(f) = R(DC)* (1 + 1/3 * x^4) with x = Radius/2*sqrt(pi*frequency*permeability*conductivity) An approximate equation for the resistance ratio for rectangular conductors (from Terman) is: rho = 1/(((8PI * f)/(Rdc * 10^9))^0.5) Skin depth is not an absolute quantity. It denotes the depth where alternating current through the conductor has reduced to a specific proportion of the current at the surface. Alternating current falls off exponenially moving inward from the surface. The depth of the "skin" is further influenced by proximity to adjacent conductors. Therefore, current intensity falls off exponentially with depth. Depth of penetration (s=sigma) is the depth at which the current intensity has fallen to 1/e of its value at the surface, where e equals 2.718. Where the diameter of the conductor is large compared to the depth of penetration, total current is the same as if the surface current intensity were maintained to a constant depth of penetration. For copper conductors, the depth of penetration is: MHz Depth of Penetration sigma (mm) .1 .209 1 .066 10 .021 100 .0066 1000 .0021 For materials other than copper, skin depth is: s = 503.3sqrt(rho/(urf)) millimeters rho = resistivity in Ohms-per-meter = 1.72x10e-8 for copper or 2.83x10e-8 for aluminum ur = mu r = relative magnetic permeability = 1 for both copper and aluminum f = frequency in Megacycles CONCLUSION: Notice that at 0.1 Mc, or 100,000 cps; the depth of penetration is .209 mm. This is approximately the same as the diameter of a 33-gauge solid wire. Of course, 100 Kc is well above the audio range. I discovered experimentally that at 30 Kc, through solid copper wire, skin penetration was approximately 0.647 millimeters, which the about same as the diameter of a 22-gauge wire. I was unable to make accurate measurements below 30 Kc. In other words, if skin effect worries you, make your cable from 22- gauge stranded wires -- which happens to be exactly how cheap lamp cord is made! If you're very worried about skin effect, make your cable from 33- gauge stranded wires. Easy! > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting From shpickering at yahoo.ca Sat Sep 20 03:33:55 2008 From: shpickering at yahoo.ca (braxus) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:33:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Idler Tire Message-ID: <5E20EAE528284DFFA46595EEC0C6FF7E@Mustang> (Cont.ed from last post) I was in a stereo shop who has a few Dragon needing service, and he said the Dragon has like 7 idler tires. Im like what? As far as I know- these decks only have one and most places selling these tires only advertise 1. Is this guy in the store out to lunch? Or are there more then 1 tire in the Dragon? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From willyherm at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 05:03:54 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:03:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] skin effect thread Message-ID: <4b6f92900809192003i45afa0e1s2549cfe3349ca606@mail.gmail.com> I hesitate to jump into this thread but have been in high end audio for my entire career and feel I have a bit to add. Hi all - I was foolish enough to assume that our ability to measure what the human ear can hear was absolute in my youth. I learned over and over again in the years I auditioned products for sale that our testing of materials and electronic products is hugely flawed in itself. We test product with simple sine waves and pulses, then assume that those results hold true for the music we use these products to reproduce. Although the human ear can only hear 20KHz it's obvious that we can detect the intermodulations from much higher frequencies. This must explain why there absolutely are audible differences in cables and electronics which defy our ability to quantify. I have learned that those scientists who laugh at the higher end products because they think they have no scientific basis are cheating themselves out of the expansion of their audio experiences. I find it sad that some of the folk who obviously love the upper end of audio experience since they own a Nakamichi deck cheat themselves out of expansion of those experiences because of bias. I have learned to listen to everything with an open mind and judge on my ear. Willy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Sep 20 06:03:07 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:03:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna lovethis one, Ron) In-Reply-To: <380-220089519225830965@M2W042.mail2web.com> References: <380-220089519225830965@M2W042.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Hey there! On Sep 19, 2008, at 5:58 PM, ddino77 at bellsouth.net wrote: > I use Goldbonds talc to ease any skin effect from the suns > harsh ultra violet rays.... That works too.... -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sat Sep 20 16:23:31 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:23:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] skin effect thread In-Reply-To: <4b6f92900809192003i45afa0e1s2549cfe3349ca606@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b6f92900809192003i45afa0e1s2549cfe3349ca606@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D50763.1020107@yahoo.ca> Willy Hermann a écrit : > > I hesitate to jump into this thread but have been in high end audio > for my entire career and feel I have a bit to add. > > Hi all - > > I was foolish enough to assume that our ability to measure what the > human ear can hear was absolute in my youth. I learned over and over > again in the years I auditioned products for sale that our testing of > materials and electronic products is hugely flawed in itself. We test > product with simple sine waves and pulses, then assume that those > results hold true for the music we use these products to reproduce. > Although the human ear can only hear 20KHz it's obvious that we can > detect the intermodulations from much higher frequencies. This must > explain why there absolutely are audible differences in cables and > electronics which defy our ability to quantify. > The "20 kHz" limit is flawed, don't take it for granted. Some people hear a few kHz more, many people a lot less (The majority of people can't hear the 15.734 kHz CRT whine). There's always a problem when I see people talking about intermodulation from higher frequencies : If our ear's limit is in fact 20 kHz, then the intermodulations are found under the 20 kHz range, and microphones will pick them up. A sound system doesn't even need to see the higher frequencies to reproduce them. Still, there are differences between different pieces of equipment. When a 1kHz sine wave is played, who knows if a low-pass filter or high-pass filter is present on the preamp to enhance the specs, if the rails aren't so under-powered that they are compressing the sound output when playing low-frequencies at high volume, if there's an unshielded SMPS PSU used, etc. Many manufacturers do things here and there to get cheap components to sound good (lots of inverse feedback, DC blocking caps that are so small they cut a bit of low frequencies, etc.) That's where the difference between pieces of electronics is. Higher-end equipment uses better parts, which require less "cheating", there's the difference. As for expensive speaker cables : I'd say that they are CREATING differences, with the use of many materials and layers supposed to have X, Y and Z effect on sound. In fact, they play with the capacitance, inductance and impedance more than any lamp cord will ever do. If I remember correctly, I read reviews about high-end speaker cables, and the measured capacitance of these cables was often so high that it started to cause effects on the sound. Usage of large-gauge speaker cable will rise the inductance and play on the sound as well. So yeah, but lamp cord isn't shielded. Well, it causes problems if one end is left unconnected, because there's an almost infinite impedance. Do this with any cable connected to an unbalanced microphone preamp input, it'll pick up all the transformer hum around you, when you touch the cable, it will be output in the speakers, etc. But if this cable is connected to a load, all this becomes invisible suddenly. This is with a 600 ohms load on one side, and a few kOhms on the other, connected to a super-sensitive input at very high gain. Now, if we talk about the speakers, there's 4 or 8 ohms instead of 600 ohms on one side, this will mute the interference even more, and the connected output is WAY less sensitive than a mike preamp. I read about someone who got AM in his speakers when his amplifiers is turned off, it turns out that the power amp's speaker relays leave the speaker cables open on the amplifier side, and it becomes an antenna. But, with loads on both ends, shielding speaker cables is totally irrelevant, especially when you don't have ham radio operators living right next to you. Antoine From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Sep 20 17:08:28 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:08:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna love this one, Ron) In-Reply-To: <2A9C1F03-FB5F-4053-8829-7FADF585089A@kvglabs.com> References: <63AF3658-E6DB-47C3-9E71-C7293645C219@peromarta.org> <283832.65579.qm@web30204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <06d101c91a29$f7774560$e665d020$@freeserve.co.uk> <070301c91a35$ad8715f0$089541d0$@com> <48D3C98C.3020101@verizon.net> <2A9C1F03-FB5F-4053-8829-7FADF585089A@kvglabs.com> Message-ID: <48D511EC.4010305@verizon.net> Kermit Gray wrote: > Hi Ron, > > On Sep 19, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Ron wrote: > >> >> Skin effect is but one of audiophools' favorite ploys. A valid >> physical phenomenon, but with an insignificant effect on sound >> reproduction, is blown out of all proportion, making it look like >> a huge problem, incurable except by throwing much money at it. >> Other examples are jitter in digital cables and bi-wiring, to name >> just two. >> > > I don't know that I'd use the tacky dysphemism "audiophool" to > describe those who are concerned with skin effect... 'Audiophool' is a euphemism for 'subjectivist' - a person (usually devoid of technical knowledge of the subject) that trusts his ears rather than known, established and accepted Physics and Engineering knowledge. An audiophool would sooner accept wisdom from a Stereo salesman than from the engineer that designed the equipment. If you wish, you may characterize the term as 'tacky'. I do not. I think it's kinda descriptive. A case in point is an argument commonly advanced (and reiterated in a recent post here), claiming that testing done with a single frequency signal is irrelevant to music reproduction. Actually, this is false. Anyone that went through a Signals and Systems course will remember that one of the very first lectures in that course addressed this question (key words such as linear systems, superposition and Fourier transform come to mind). > ... but I'd heartily agree that the practical effect of, and > importance of, skin effect in audio-frequency cables is greatly > exaggerated. Understandably so. Otherwise, how else can a wire company > expect to easily differentiate their product? > > In 2003, I did my own skin effect depth experiments based on the a > 2002 experiment by N. P. Singh, S. C. Gupta, and B. R. Sood; Physics > Department, Punjabi University, India; to determine the skin depth and > Fermi velocity in metals. Their simple experimental method measured > the anomalous skin depth and Fermi velocity in metals by measuring the > resistance at 77 Kc of a thick metal wire specimen at frequencies of > 100 cps and 100 kc. They verified the Fermi velocity by using a > theoretical expression that relates the anomalous skin depth to the > Fermi velocity. I'm afraid you are well ahead of me here. I do greatly appreciate your rigorous treatment. About ten years ago I completely revamped my audio system, turning it into a full fledged A/V affair. This included replacing the speakers with an Aerial Acoustics set. This brought about the need to fully investigate two technical issues: skin effect and bi-wiring. As to skin effect, I delved into Physics books for the relevant equations. I calculated that a 12AWG copper wire will dip -0.3db at 20KHz due to skin effect (this differs from the 0.18db -- or whatever -- stated in the article recently referenced here. Possibly, because my assumption, such as cable length, were different). In any case, my conclusion was the same as the article and yours; namely, that skin effect is irrelevant. BTW, my calculations showed that at 20KHz, skin depth was roughly the diameter of 14AWG wire. However, I noticed that my new Aerial Acoustics 10T speakers used parallel 18AWG wires for the internal treble section connections. Michael Kelly, who designed the speakers, is a down to earth engineer, so I thought this merited further investigation. I set up an informal listening test, involving the wife and other family members. The result clearly indicated that no one could hear the difference between two paralleled 16AWG wire and one 12AWG wire. BTW, the same results were obtained for bi-wiring. The (extremely tedious) calculations showed nil differences and the listening tests showed none. After the test, I left the system as is. Front speakers are still bi-wired with 10AWG for the Bass and 12AWG for the mid/treble. Again, I salute your thorough discussion. -- Ron > > Skin effect is the property that high frequency alternating currents > do not flow through the whole conductor area of a wire. High > frequencies tend to flow only along the outer parts of the conductor. > The higher the frequency, the narrower the layer of flow, and > therefore higher the conduction losses. The practical effect is > increased series resistance of the wire. > > The frequency dependency of the resistance of a cylindrical or > rectangular cross-section conductor can be calculated by the following > formula for high frequencies and radii of approximately 50 um: > > R(f) > = R(DC)* (1 + 1/3 * x^4) with x > = Radius/2*sqrt(pi*frequency*permeability*conductivity) > > An approximate equation for the resistance ratio for rectangular > conductors (from Terman) is: > > rho = 1/(((8PI * f)/(Rdc * 10^9))^0.5) > > Skin depth is not an absolute quantity. It denotes the depth where > alternating current through the conductor has reduced to a specific > proportion of the current at the surface. Alternating current falls > off exponenially moving inward from the surface. The depth of the > "skin" is further influenced by proximity to adjacent conductors. > Therefore, current intensity falls off exponentially with depth. > > Depth of penetration (s=sigma) is the depth at which the current > intensity has fallen to 1/e of its value at the surface, where e > equals 2.718. > > Where the diameter of the conductor is large compared to the depth of > penetration, total current is the same as if the surface current > intensity were maintained to a constant depth of penetration. > > For copper conductors, the depth of penetration is: > > MHz Depth of Penetration sigma (mm) > .1 .209 > 1 .066 > 10 .021 > 100 .0066 > 1000 .0021 > > For materials other than copper, skin depth is: > > s = 503.3sqrt(rho/(urf)) millimeters > > rho = resistivity in Ohms-per-meter > = 1.72x10e-8 for copper or 2.83x10e-8 for aluminum > ur = mu r = relative magnetic permeability > = 1 for both copper and aluminum > f = frequency in Megacycles > > CONCLUSION: Notice that at 0.1 Mc, or 100,000 cps; the depth of > penetration is .209 mm. This is approximately the same as the diameter > of a 33-gauge solid wire. Of course, 100 Kc is well above the audio > range. > > I discovered experimentally that at 30 Kc, through solid copper wire, > skin penetration was approximately 0.647 millimeters, which the about > same as the diameter of a 22-gauge wire. I was unable to make accurate > measurements below 30 Kc. > > In other words, if skin effect worries you, make your cable from > 22-gauge stranded wires -- which happens to be exactly how cheap lamp > cord is made! > > If you're very worried about skin effect, make your cable from > 33-gauge stranded wires. Easy! > >> > > -- Kermit Gray > notarbene at kvglabs.com > KVG Laboratories > Equipment to Make Your Music Better > 16371 Lake Point Drive > Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA > Telephone: 913-422-0957 > Skype ID: triodelicacy > > From notarbene at kvglabs.com Sat Sep 20 21:03:32 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:03:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] skin effect thread In-Reply-To: <4b6f92900809192003i45afa0e1s2549cfe3349ca606@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b6f92900809192003i45afa0e1s2549cfe3349ca606@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <963364ED-8601-47C4-8F42-8DB1E796C40A@kvglabs.com> Hi Willy, You're absolutely correct. I should have ended my discussion on skin effect with the caveat that, although I myself do not feel that skin effect is a problem with audio- frequency cables, it is apparent that cables do often have an influence on the equipments sound. The causes of the influence lie largely elsewhere than with skin effect, the practical effect of which is to increase series resistance, although at audio frequencies skin effect isn't grave enough to do so. The mere presence of any resistance, capacitance or inductance in an audio circuit will affect its sound, even if only at the threshold of perception; so it can be known a priori that there mere presence of a cable in an audio system will affect its sound. The only issue is to the magnitude, the cause, and the severity of the influence of the cable upon the audio system. The point of my message was, therefore, that of the possible causes of a cable's influence on an audio system, skin effect isn't the one that cable designers and shoppers should emphasize. M y professional experience has taught me to be pragmatic, and reduce those quality losses that are significant and readily perceptible while not spending the time and money on those losses that have no perceptible or demonstrable influence. If nothing else, such pragmatism is borne of the fact that a recording studio may have miles (kilometers) of cables in its installation compared to only a few feet (meters) for a domestic audio system. Purchasing typical high-end audiophile cables would be impractical and quite cost-prohibitive for a typical multitrack studio, yet a studio (ideally) must achieve a level of quality superior to that of even the finest domestic reproduction system. My personal opinion as to the "best" loudspeaker cable for use with high-quality, audiophile systems? Insulated copper tubing, about 1/4- inch (6.32mm) caliper. Why? No inductance, little capacitance, very low resistance -- and nearly zero chance of skin effect causing a problem for those who still feel skin effect is a problem. By the way, I've wired studio loudspeakers with copper tubing. excellent results, although a bit cumbersome to handle. On Sep 19, 2008, at 10:03 PM, Willy Hermann wrote: > I hesitate to jump into this thread but have been in high end audio > for my entire career and feel I have a bit to add. > > Hi all - > I was foolish enough to assume that our ability to measure what the > human ear can hear was absolute in my youth. I learned over and > over again in the years I auditioned products for sale that our > testing of materials and electronic products is hugely flawed in > itself. We test product with simple sine waves and pulses, then > assume that those results hold true for the music we use these > products to reproduce. Although the human ear can only hear 20KHz > it's obvious that we can detect the intermodulations from much > higher frequencies. This must explain why there absolutely are > audible differences in cables and electronics which defy our ability > to quantify. > > > I have learned that those scientists who laugh at the higher end > products because they think they have no scientific basis are > cheating themselves out of the expansion of their audio experiences. > > > I find it sad that some of the folk who obviously love the upper end > of audio experience since they own a Nakamichi deck cheat themselves > out of expansion of those experiences because of bias. I have > learned to listen to everything with an open mind and judge on my ear. > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From ra.ah at verizon.net Sat Sep 20 20:55:44 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:55:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] skin effect thread In-Reply-To: <48D50763.1020107@yahoo.ca> References: <4b6f92900809192003i45afa0e1s2549cfe3349ca606@mail.gmail.com> <48D50763.1020107@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <48D54730.8070707@verizon.net> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Willy Hermann a écrit : >> >> I hesitate to jump into this thread but have been in high end audio >> for my entire career and feel I have a bit to add. >> >> Hi all - >> >> I was foolish enough to assume that our ability to measure what the >> human ear can hear was absolute in my youth. I learned over and over >> again in the years I auditioned products for sale that our testing of >> materials and electronic products is hugely flawed in itself. We >> test product with simple sine waves and pulses, then assume that >> those results hold true for the music we use these products to >> reproduce. Although the human ear can only hear 20KHz it's obvious >> that we can detect the intermodulations from much higher >> frequencies. This must explain why there absolutely are audible >> differences in cables and electronics which defy our ability to >> quantify. >> > The "20 kHz" limit is flawed, don't take it for granted. Some people > hear a few kHz more, many people a lot less (The majority of people > can't hear the 15.734 kHz CRT whine). There's always a problem when I > see people talking about intermodulation from higher frequencies : If > our ear's limit is in fact 20 kHz, then the intermodulations are found > under the 20 kHz range, and microphones will pick them up. A sound > system doesn't even need to see the higher frequencies to reproduce them. True. A major reason for the 19KHz filter included in many cassette decks for the purpose of recording FM broadcasts is that, even though most of use can't hear the 19KHz tone itself, it intermodulates with other frequencies to produce some very annoying distortion in the audible range. > > Still, there are differences between different pieces of equipment. > When a 1kHz sine wave is played, who knows if a low-pass filter or > high-pass filter is present on the preamp to enhance the specs, if the > rails aren't so under-powered that they are compressing the sound > output when playing low-frequencies at high volume, if there's an > unshielded SMPS PSU used, etc. Many manufacturers do things here and > there to get cheap components to sound good (lots of inverse feedback, > DC blocking caps that are so small they cut a bit of low frequencies, > etc.) That's where the difference between pieces of electronics is. > Higher-end equipment uses better parts, which require less "cheating", > there's the difference. > > As for expensive speaker cables : I'd say that they are CREATING > differences, with the use of many materials and layers supposed to > have X, Y and Z effect on sound. In fact, they play with the > capacitance, inductance and impedance more than any lamp cord will > ever do. If I remember correctly, I read reviews about high-end > speaker cables, and the measured capacitance of these cables was often > so high that it started to cause effects on the sound. Usage of > large-gauge speaker cable will rise the inductance and play on the > sound as well. I am not sure why would high gauge wire have higher inductance. 12AWG wire has around 0.34uH/ft. That's low enough to be negligible for any reasonably stable amp and is a tiny fraction of the average speaker inductance. Further to esoteric speaker cables comments: some have a 'circuit' molded onto the cable, that supposedly enhances the sound. Few people are willing to cut into a $1000 cable to find out what's in the 'circuit', but I read one report that stated the 'circuit' consisted of one 100 ohm (50 cents) resistor... -- Ron > So yeah, but lamp cord isn't shielded. Well, it causes problems if one > end is left unconnected, because there's an almost infinite impedance. > Do this with any cable connected to an unbalanced microphone preamp > input, it'll pick up all the transformer hum around you, when you > touch the cable, it will be output in the speakers, etc. But if this > cable is connected to a load, all this becomes invisible suddenly. > This is with a 600 ohms load on one side, and a few kOhms on the > other, connected to a super-sensitive input at very high gain. Now, if > we talk about the speakers, there's 4 or 8 ohms instead of 600 ohms on > one side, this will mute the interference even more, and the connected > output is WAY less sensitive than a mike preamp. > > I read about someone who got AM in his speakers when his amplifiers is > turned off, it turns out that the power amp's speaker relays leave the > speaker cables open on the amplifier side, and it becomes an antenna. > But, with loads on both ends, shielding speaker cables is totally > irrelevant, especially when you don't have ham radio operators living > right next to you. > > > Antoine From bg3009 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 08:58:23 2008 From: bg3009 at yahoo.com (Bala Ganesh Chandra) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna lovethis one, Ron) In-Reply-To: <00cb01c91a3f$5dc197c0$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Message-ID: <665490.65327.qm@web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Martin,   Apologies as I was away. I will give you a call over the weekend and we'll have your deck on the way back to you.   Cheers!   --- On Fri, 9/19/08, Martin & Karen Short wrote: From: Martin & Karen Short Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna lovethis one, Ron) To: bg3009 at yahoo.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 6:06 PM Hi Bala,   My emails don't seem to be getting through, and your phone number doesn't 'work'.. would appreciate a call regarding my ZXL you have under repair... please..     Wouter, apologies for using this forum this way, but normal contact methods don't seem to be effective. PM me if you have any concerns.   cheers,   Martin   ----- Original Message ----- From: Bala Ganesh Chandra To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna lovethis one, Ron) LP,   Roger's article is particularly good, and till today he still stands by what he said. Apparently he tested his speakers using line cord and argues that this sounds as good as anything out there.   I have tried his recommendation, but found that, if not exotic materials, wire geometry and construction does make a difference in sound. The law of diminshing returns does work greatly for wires and interconnects of all types. The only time in audio where this law DOESN'T work, is with Nakamichis.   Regards, Bala --- On Fri, 9/19/08, Luis Peromarta wrote: From: Luis Peromarta Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Cables ... the SKIN effect ... (You're gonna love this one, Ron) To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com, "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Cc: transbless at tiscali.co.uk Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 12:19 AM Yeah, great article. Along with: http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm Which is also an old-time-favourite. "The cable that runs half the distance, is twice as good." LP. 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Belts are difficult to change in the TD 700. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: el34guy at aol.com >Sent: Sep 22, 2008 8:23 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi td-400 or td-500 > >Hello, > >Can anyone speak to the virtues of either of these indash cassette >players? How good are they and have you had any experience with one? >Are any still serviceable? I was thinking about putting one in my >jeep.. Perhaps crazy... > >thanks > >Mark >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From theshorty at bigpond.com Tue Sep 23 04:46:03 2008 From: theshorty at bigpond.com (Martin & Karen Short) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:46:03 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 600 FF/RW hubs Message-ID: <003d01c91d26$84e51c20$0100000a@martinsvdix8fy> Hi everyone, Some time ago I recall that someone (Tom B??) mentioned that they had a substitute tyre for refurbishing 500/600/600II reel hubs?? Look forward to any info.. cheers, Martin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyell.solie at sasktel.net Tue Sep 23 06:43:31 2008 From: joyell.solie at sasktel.net (Rainer & Joy-Ell) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:43:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi td-400 or td-500 References: <8CAEADE47A24F16-954-1476@mblk-d39.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002501c91d36$edff70b0$400110ac@owner66fc96eb0> Hey Mark, try for a td-700. It has dual capstans and manual azimuth.It also uses a floating ground that all but eliminates alternator whine. The sound is incredible and they are fairly reliable other than the belts. I don't know how much of this applies to the 400 and 500. I guarantee you'll be blown away by the sound. Rainer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi td-400 or td-500 > Hello, > > Can anyone speak to the virtues of either of these indash cassette > players? How good are they and have you had any experience with one? Are > any still serviceable? 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URL: From esteyes at cox.net Tue Sep 23 22:22:23 2008 From: esteyes at cox.net (Neil Sturtevant) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:22:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 Message-ID: <067401c91dba$16962130$6b00a8c0@puttoacbvk9pjq> i own td500's as well as td 700's and installed all era's of nak car audio thru the non-jap built stuff. definately go for a 700 if you can. nice feature is the removeable door flap to allow acceess to the head for cleaning. 500's are solid too but as mentioned, adj azimuth is VERY handy. loading mechanism pulls some serious power, so when we installed them, we ran a piece of 10ga from the mounting bolt at the back of the chassis directly to a GOOD chassis ground. i still have one of mine installed in the van (w/ an outboard DBX II car decoder for those dbx masters) along with a year old top of the line alpine dvd/tuner w/ multiple changers and my alpine car DAT deck. i burn my current DSD recordings to DVD, and can still listen to my old cassette and dat recordings - haven't quite gotten so wierd as to hook up the Sony SL2000/Nak DMP 100 beta/pcm combo permanently... (note i said PERMANENTLY) nor dragged out the old RxR and shoved that in there... of course a 250/350/550 and the car kit could also be used - bulky but fine sounding. ymmv neil in san marcos From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 23 23:45:39 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:45:39 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 Message-ID: <2707758.1222206339526.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Neil, Did you ever get to hear the Soundstream car stereos? The adjustable azimuth feature appeared on those decks as well- model TC30 maybe? I only got to repair one,so I couldn't really listen to it. Soundstream was founded by ex-Nakamichi Lee Adams. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Neil Sturtevant >Sent: Sep 23, 2008 1:22 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 > >i own td500's as well as td 700's and installed all era's of nak car audio >thru the non-jap built stuff. definately go for a 700 if you can. nice >feature is the removeable door flap to allow acceess to the head for >cleaning. 500's are solid too but as mentioned, adj azimuth is VERY handy. > >loading mechanism pulls some serious power, so when we installed them, we >ran a piece of 10ga from the mounting bolt at the back of the chassis >directly to a GOOD chassis ground. i still have one of mine installed in the >van (w/ an outboard DBX II car decoder for those dbx masters) along with a >year old top of the line alpine dvd/tuner w/ multiple changers and my alpine >car DAT deck. > > i burn my current DSD recordings to DVD, and can still listen to my old >cassette and dat recordings - haven't quite gotten so wierd as to hook up >the Sony SL2000/Nak DMP 100 beta/pcm combo permanently... (note i said >PERMANENTLY) nor dragged out the old RxR and shoved that in there... > >of course a 250/350/550 and the car kit could also be used - bulky but fine >sounding. > >ymmv >neil in san marcos > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Sep 24 01:41:29 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:41:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Extreme W/F with 8096-D2? Message-ID: <17d5ee910809231641l6754763bs5fb7d4d97b6f808a@mail.gmail.com> I've recently ordered all the belts (belt kit with idler + 8096-D2) from Fred and just finished installing them in my 480. I got a bad surprise, there's tons of wow and flutter. Piano sounds like the Rhodes playing through a phaser in Led Zeppelin's No Quarter... Considering all the good reviews the 8096-D2 got, anyone has an idea of what the problem could be? -- Antoine Deschênes From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 24 05:05:45 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:05:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2 Record Level Control Knob Needed Message-ID: I received a Nakamichi CR-2 cassette deck today. It is simply missing the record level control knob. Can anyone help me out? Otherwise any kind of rotory knob which will fit will do. I appreciate the help. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Sep 24 05:28:39 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:28:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Extreme W/F with 8096-D2? In-Reply-To: <17d5ee910809231641l6754763bs5fb7d4d97b6f808a@mail.gmail.com> References: <17d5ee910809231641l6754763bs5fb7d4d97b6f808a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17d5ee910809232028s5d12d995la241a79e43900b2a@mail.gmail.com> No more problems with the capstan belt finally... Turned out the nylon screw of the right capstan was a few turns too tight. It was so tight that it was bending the transport plates, and when I was loosening screws between the plates, the music played faster as tension was released on the capstan... Finally, the D2 belt plays very well! W&F isn't noticeable (I still have the impression I'm listening to a cassette though, maybe it's the sibilance though), same for the D1 belt I put in my CR-3A. It fixed the remaining problems I had with both decks. Now what will I get by changing the belts in my single-capstan Sankyo Naks... Antoine, another satisfied Marrs 8096-Dx belt buyer ;-) 2008/9/23 Antoine Deschênes : > I've recently ordered all the belts (belt kit with idler + 8096-D2) > from Fred and just finished installing them in my 480. I got a bad > surprise, there's tons of wow and flutter. Piano sounds like the > Rhodes playing through a phaser in Led Zeppelin's No Quarter... > Considering all the good reviews the 8096-D2 got, anyone has an idea > of what the problem could be? > > -- > Antoine Deschênes > -- Antoine Deschênes From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Wed Sep 24 07:34:12 2008 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:34:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi td-400 or td-500 Message-ID: <200809240134_MC3-2-1226-C7CB@compuserve.com> Hi, I have bought a TD-500 hoping to install it one day in my "new car" :) But I noticed that the standard "DIN" size is not used anymore. All the new models have some funky rounded mounting-slot in the dash. Is that true? The owner's manual for TD-700 and 500 are the same and the only apparent difference is dual capstan vs. single. Therefore the TD-700 has better wow&flutter performance. Both decks have azimuth adjustments. Thanks, _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Message: 2 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:47:22 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Tom Brucker Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi td-400 or td-500 To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks , naktalk at naks.com Message-ID: <530226.1222098442301.JavaMail.root at elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The TD500 and 700 are excellent sounding. The 700 has azimuth adjustment. Not sure about the 500. It is worth having that feature. Belts are difficult to change in the TD 700. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: el34guy at aol.com >Sent: Sep 22, 2008 8:23 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi td-400 or td-500 > >Hello, > >Can anyone speak to the virtues of either of these indash cassette >players? How good are they and have you had any experience with one? >Are any still serviceable? I was thinking about putting one in my >jeep.. Perhaps crazy... > >thanks > >Mark < From f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch Wed Sep 24 08:58:52 2008 From: f.riedlinger at bluewin.ch (Franz A. Riedlinger) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:58:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Gauges Message-ID: <48D9E52C.6000804@bluewin.ch> Hi Nakers Look on ebay at: 280 269 955 758 (DA9038 Stroke Check Gauge) 280 269 957 164 (DA09091 Guide High Gauge) 280 269 959 326 (M 9036 Tilt Check Gauge) The gauges are offered by mmm_de. I'm not the seller. I found them by looking for other Nakamichi devices. Maybe someone is interested. Franz From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Wed Sep 24 12:30:33 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?windows-1252?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:30:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2 Record Level Control Knob Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48DA16C9.1050903@yahoo.ca> The balance knob is a little harder to find, but there are many knobs that would fit to replace the volume one. The shaft shape is quite common. Any electronic store would have some. (Maybe even RadioShack) Mark Exstedt a écrit : > I received a Nakamichi CR-2 cassette deck today. It is simply missing > the record level control knob. > Can anyone help me out? Otherwise any kind of rotory knob which will > fit will do. > I appreciate the help. > Thanks. From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 24 21:10:48 2008 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:10:48 -0600 Subject: FW: [naktalk] CR-2 Record Level Control Knob Needed In-Reply-To: <48DA16C9.1050903@yahoo.ca> References: <48DA16C9.1050903@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: I have the balance knob. Thanks for the input. I didn't think of Radio Shack / Fry's Electronics. > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:30:33 -0400> From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca> To: naktalk at naks.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-2 Record Level Control Knob Needed> > The balance knob is a little harder to find, but there are many knobs > that would fit to replace the volume one. The shaft shape is quite > common. Any electronic store would have some. (Maybe even RadioShack)> > Mark Exstedt a écrit :> > I received a Nakamichi CR-2 cassette deck today. It is simply missing > > the record level control knob.> > Can anyone help me out? Otherwise any kind of rotory knob which will > > fit will do.> > I appreciate the help.> > Thanks.> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register> ========---------------------------------------------------------=========> Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist> Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 21:46:11 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Parts machine SR 3A avaialable Message-ID: <321644.82452.qm@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi everybody - I have a SR 3A parts machine free to anybody interested - contact me off list to my email kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com I am also interested to buy any broken Dragon transport ( particularly when the transport mount is broken if anybody is intrested to sell Kannan From dmm at math.bu.edu Wed Sep 24 22:41:04 2008 From: dmm at math.bu.edu (Diane Meuser) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak models most likely to be working ten years from now Message-ID: A question for Naktalkers, Which Nak models are the most reliable and least likely to need repair? Which Nak models are the easiest to find parts for should they need repair? I.e. I am wondering which models of Nak decks will still be working say 10 years from now? Since all decks seem to need at least routine repair the answer seems to depend on the first two questions above. I'm asking this since in my own fleet of 5 Naks (one ZX-9, one ZX-7, three BX-100's) I had 4 of the 5 needing repair this month! (Only one BX-100 was not in need of repair). I realize the ZX-9 and ZX-7 are both higher quality machines than the BX-100's, and hence may need repair less often, but on the other hand there are an awful lot of BX-100's around so parts are easy to come by. In fact I've had pretty good luck with my original BX-100 purchased in 1984 and used regularly since then with only minor repairs needed (although it was one of the BX-100's needing repair, so that may change). I've had less experience with the ZX-9 and ZX-7 since they are more recent acquisitions, but they have needed some repairs since I obtained them. I don't know how to repair them myself, but have a local dealer who does the repairs. Any opinions from the Naktalkers would be welcome! Diane From notarbene at kvglabs.com Wed Sep 24 23:21:22 2008 From: notarbene at kvglabs.com (Kermit Gray) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:21:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak models most likely to be working ten years from now In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1BA6A165-DAAE-4B67-B1FE-BC411C096342@kvglabs.com> Hi Diane, On Sep 24, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Diane Meuser wrote: > Which Nak models are the most reliable and least likely to need > repair? In my experience, the 500, 550, 600, 600-II because they are the least complex,followed by the BX, ZL and LX series. Regardless of the age of the machine, the most-likely needed repairs will be belt and idler renewal, recalibration; cleaning of switches, internal connectors, controls and mechanical components; lubrication and general cleaning. > Which Nak models are the easiest to find parts for should they need > repair? I've been trying to keep only my specific decks running, so I'd have to ask tom and some of the others involved in ongoing repair services. My guess is the newer or more numerous the model the easier. > > > I.e. I am wondering which models of Nak decks will still be working > say 10 years from now? > > Since all decks seem to need at least routine repair the answer > seems to > depend on the first two questions above. > > -- Kermit Gray notarbene at kvglabs.com KVG Laboratories Equipment to Make Your Music Better 16371 Lake Point Drive Bonner Springs, KS 66012 USA Telephone: 913-422-0957 Skype ID: triodelicacy From ra.ah at verizon.net Thu Sep 25 15:44:14 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:44:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak models most likely to be working ten years from now In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48DB95AE.5030103@verizon.net> I suspect you will get as many differing opinions as the number of replies... So, here goes: First, Nak decks do not require 'routine repairs.', but, rather 'routine service'. This isn't different than the routine service your car requires every so many miles. In the case of hi-end cassette decks, this amounts to cleaning, lubrication, touching up some mechanical adjustments and -- in the case of the Sankyo transports -- replacement of the rubber idler tire, if so equipped. Similar to cars, the more robust the design and build, the more critical routine maintenance is. Thus, if you forgo routine service, than on the average, the classic transport in your ZX-9 will probably last longer than the Sankyo transport in a BX-100 or any of the CR series. However, routine service is simple enough to do and many (most?) owners can easily do it themselves. That accepted, I do not see much difference in longevity between decks utilizing either transport. I feel that putting in an hour every two or three hundred hours of operation is that difficult. At least, for *me* it isn't. As to replacement parts, I expect better availability your BX-100, since so many were sold vs. either ZX-7 or ZX-9. As to other parts (mostly, generic electronic parts), it seems this is roughly the same in all models. Most common repairs require readily available generic parts, such as caps, resistors, bulbs and most ICs. PCBs that develop hairline cracks are common to all models, including receivers. They are a bear to locate, but require no replacement parts to repair. Personally, I will continue to use my CR-7 (I only own one deck). I will treat it kindly, keep it in top shape, service it regularly and expect it will last as long as me... -- Ron Diane Meuser wrote: > A question for Naktalkers, > > Which Nak models are the most reliable and least likely to need > repair? > > Which Nak models are the easiest to find parts for should they need > repair? > > I.e. I am wondering which models of Nak decks will still be working > say 10 years from now? > > Since all decks seem to need at least routine repair the answer seems to > depend on the first two questions above. > > I'm asking this since in my own fleet of 5 Naks (one ZX-9, one ZX-7, > three BX-100's) I had 4 of the 5 needing repair this month! (Only one > BX-100 was not in need of repair). I realize the ZX-9 and ZX-7 are > both higher quality machines than the BX-100's, and hence may need > repair less often, but on the other hand there are an awful lot of > BX-100's around so parts are easy to come by. In fact I've had > pretty good luck with my original BX-100 purchased in 1984 and used > regularly since then with only minor repairs needed (although it was > one of the BX-100's needing repair, so that may change). I've had > less experience with the ZX-9 and ZX-7 since they are more recent > acquisitions, but they have needed some repairs since I obtained > them. I don't know how to repair them myself, but have a local dealer > who does the repairs. > > Any opinions from the Naktalkers would be welcome! > > Diane > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Sat Sep 27 12:02:56 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:02:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: B&W Servicing - bad news for UK ZX-9 owners In-Reply-To: <043f01c92086$12ee8da0$38cba8e0$@freeserve.co.uk> References: <043f01c92086$12ee8da0$38cba8e0$@freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <049901c92088$39cd80a0$ad6881e0$@com> I received a letter from B&W today, which states they estimate they will run out of many parts in about six months "and will probably not be able to accept these decks back after the Spring 2009." They are, therefore, making a "final call" for a "final service, or just for a check-over." Mine is running fine but I intend to send it in for a service anyway, and hope it will keep on going for a few more years. I am presuming that they are not just referring to ZX-9's. Unfortunately, I do not possess the skills to do servicing myself - those of you who have them, count yourselves lucky! G . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfallon at windstream.net Sat Sep 27 23:34:09 2008 From: mfallon at windstream.net (mfallon at windstream.net) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:34:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Used tapes sale Message-ID: <20080927213409.KPVZ23580.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Hi folks, I have two more batches of vitage used tapes for sale. Batch #1 43 Maxell tapes (36 XLII-90/7 XLII-60) All 60s and most 90s are solid gray shell. Price $40 .includes blue cloth carry case and cost of shipping. Batch #2 22 TDK tapes (7 SA90/8 SA100/2 SAX90/5 SAX100) various styles Price $25 Price includes shipping. All tapes gently used/infrequently played/smoke-free environment /all on Nak decks thanks for looking, Mike From west at netgate.net Sun Sep 28 07:02:42 2008 From: west at netgate.net (Don West) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:02:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop Message-ID: <001701c92127$71a3ef60$5d5ef842@borgcollective> I've been in touch with another Nak service site, but wanted feedback from any that can offer. CR7A has the idler upgrade, I believe to a gear system. Finding unit recently has been auto-stopping when cassette is about 2/3 full on take-up. Wondering if cleaning of tape path, including rollers, with proper solution would help? One source gave a general recommendation of replacing a motor (still not sure which one) and motion sensor. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 12:47:41 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop In-Reply-To: <001701c92127$71a3ef60$5d5ef842@borgcollective> Message-ID: <725259.39981.qm@web33303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It is a very good chance - reel motor or reel motor control circuit need check up if the CR7A has gear drive. kannan --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Don West wrote: > From: Don West > Subject: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 1:02 AM > I've been in touch with another Nak service site, but > wanted feedback from > any that can offer. CR7A has the idler upgrade, I believe > to a gear system. > Finding unit recently has been auto-stopping when cassette > is about 2/3 full > on take-up. Wondering if cleaning of tape path, including > rollers, with > proper solution would help? One source gave a general > recommendation of > replacing a motor (still not sure which one) and motion > sensor. Thanks. > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Sun Sep 28 13:01:51 2008 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:01:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop References: <001701c92127$71a3ef60$5d5ef842@borgcollective> Message-ID: I`ve had several Sankyo mechanisms with with weak idler motor. If it doesn´t help with cleaning and lubrication, replacement is the only opption. Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don West To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:02 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop I've been in touch with another Nak service site, but wanted feedback from any that can offer. CR7A has the idler upgrade, I believe to a gear system. Finding unit recently has been auto-stopping when cassette is about 2/3 full on take-up. Wondering if cleaning of tape path, including rollers, with proper solution would help? One source gave a general recommendation of replacing a motor (still not sure which one) and motion sensor. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Sep 28 15:56:02 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:56:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop In-Reply-To: References: <001701c92127$71a3ef60$5d5ef842@borgcollective> Message-ID: <48DF8CF2.1020805@yahoo.ca> Hi Don, The drive motor on gear drive Naks seems to fail easily. It develops dead spots and loses speed. It can be fixed, but not by anyone. You need to clean the commutator in the motor. I've successfully fixed all my gear drive Naks so far. (On idler models, the idler fails, but on gear-drive ones, it's the motor) If you want to do it yourself, I'll send you a list of things to check to make sure your motor still works when reassembled. Cheers, Antoine Pär Ericsson a écrit : > I`ve had several Sankyo mechanisms with with weak idler motor. If it > doesn´t help with cleaning and lubrication, replacement is the only > opption. > > Pelle. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Don West > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:02 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop > > I've been in touch with another Nak service site, but wanted > feedback from any that can offer. CR7A has the idler upgrade, I > believe to a gear system. Finding unit recently has been > auto-stopping when cassette is about 2/3 full on take-up. > Wondering if cleaning of tape path, including rollers, with proper > solution would help? One source gave a general recommendation of > replacing a motor (still not sure which one) and motion sensor. > Thanks. > From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Sun Sep 28 18:24:26 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:24:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts Message-ID: <17d5ee910809280924v5caf6079o9625c02aadcf9a28@mail.gmail.com> Anyone knows if broken nylon can be fixed? For example, the eject cable holder on the 480, or a little part on the Superscope CD-330 hub idler arm that is supposed to hold the rewind spring... -- Antoine Deschênes From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Sep 28 20:02:58 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:02:58 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] RE: B&W Servicing - bad news for UK ZX-9 owners Message-ID: <19513019.1222624978806.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Sun Sep 28 20:09:40 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:09:40 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] BIC tape decks on eBay Message-ID: <21067885.1222625380909.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> For those unintiated to other good sounding decks there are two BIC T-4 and a T-3 on US eBay. I'm sure they will need belts. These decks fall into the "sound really natural" category. They also have the gimmick double-speed feature. tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From ehcmisc1 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 04:55:18 2008 From: ehcmisc1 at yahoo.com (Ed Conrow) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Used tapes sale In-Reply-To: <20080927213409.KPVZ23580.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net> Message-ID: <344531.92318.qm@web45409.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mike:   I'll take both sets of tapes for a total of $65.   Please let me know how to pay.   Regards, Ed Conrow --- On Sat, 9/27/08, mfallon at windstream.net wrote: From: mfallon at windstream.net Subject: [naktalk] Used tapes sale To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" , "'Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks'" Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 2:34 PM Hi folks, I have two more batches of vitage used tapes for sale. Batch #1 43 Maxell tapes (36 XLII-90/7 XLII-60) All 60s and most 90s are solid gray shell. Price $40 .includes blue cloth carry case and cost of shipping. Batch #2 22 TDK tapes (7 SA90/8 SA100/2 SAX90/5 SAX100) various styles Price $25 Price includes shipping. All tapes gently used/infrequently played/smoke-free environment /all on Nak decks thanks for looking, Mike ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidt124 at internode.on.net Mon Sep 29 13:38:14 2008 From: davidt124 at internode.on.net (David Thompson) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:38:14 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts Message-ID: Antoine I have a 581 deck with the same eject cable holder partly broken loose. I have it held in place with a wire tied from it to a convenient point at the back inside. It has worked fine that way for some years. If necessary, you might need some glue at the base of the holder as well. David >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:24:26 -0400 >From: " Antoine Desch?nes " >Subject: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Message-ID: > <17d5ee910809280924v5caf6079o9625c02aadcf9a28 at mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Anyone knows if broken nylon can be fixed? For example, the eject >cable holder on the 480, or a little part on the Superscope CD-330 hub >idler arm that is supposed to hold the rewind spring... -- >Antoine Deschênes From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 29 15:00:12 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200852.15424.qm@web83102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have not found any glue that makes a strong bond to nylon. JB Weld is the best I have found so far, but it can still be broken loose. Warren --- On Mon, 9/29/08, David Thompson wrote: From: David Thompson Subject: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts To: "naktalk at naks.com" Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 7:38 AM Antoine I have a 581 deck with the same eject cable holder partly broken loose. I have it held in place with a wire tied from it to a convenient point at the back inside. It has worked fine that way for some years. If necessary, you might need some glue at the base of the holder as well. David >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:24:26 -0400 >From: " Antoine Desch?nes " >Subject: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >Message-ID: > <17d5ee910809280924v5caf6079o9625c02aadcf9a28 at mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Anyone knows if broken nylon can be fixed? For example, the eject >cable holder on the 480, or a little part on the Superscope CD-330 hub >idler arm that is supposed to hold the rewind spring... -- >Antoine Deschênes ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Sep 29 15:21:48 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:21:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop In-Reply-To: <48DF8CF2.1020805@yahoo.ca> References: <001701c92127$71a3ef60$5d5ef842@borgcollective> <48DF8CF2.1020805@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <48E0D66C.6050809@verizon.net> Just to clarify: the reel motor itself is the same in both rubber and gear idler drives. Rubber idlers must be replaced every few hundred hours of operation (say, every couple of years on the average), Gear idlers last just about indefinitely. With either idler, the motor will eventually (many, many years of operation) fail. Unlike the control motor, the reel motor does not respond well to rebuilding. I congratulate Antoine on his great success rate, but IME, most rebuilds failed, while just about all control motor rebuildsrebulids succeeded. The usual failure mode is in Play, not in FF or REW. YMMV. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: > Hi Don, > > The drive motor on gear drive Naks seems to fail easily. It develops > dead spots and loses speed. It can be fixed, but not by anyone. You > need to clean the commutator in the motor. I've successfully fixed all > my gear drive Naks so far. (On idler models, the idler fails, but on > gear-drive ones, it's the motor) > > If you want to do it yourself, I'll send you a list of things to check > to make sure your motor still works when reassembled. > > Cheers, > Antoine > > Pär Ericsson a écrit : >> I`ve had several Sankyo mechanisms with with weak idler motor. If it >> doesn´t help with cleaning and lubrication, replacement is the only >> opption. >> >> Pelle. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Don West >> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >> *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:02 AM >> *Subject:* [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop >> >> I've been in touch with another Nak service site, but wanted >> feedback from any that can offer. CR7A has the idler upgrade, I >> believe to a gear system. Finding unit recently has been >> auto-stopping when cassette is about 2/3 full on take-up. >> Wondering if cleaning of tape path, including rollers, with proper >> solution would help? One source gave a general recommendation of >> replacing a motor (still not sure which one) and motion sensor. >> Thanks. >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 15:47:54 2008 From: kannan_srinivasa at yahoo.com (kannan srinivasaraghavan) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop In-Reply-To: <48E0D66C.6050809@verizon.net> Message-ID: <325237.63246.qm@web33308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree with Ron on Reel motor - they fail only on play . It is time to replace them. Control motor can be rebuilt Kannan --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Ron wrote: > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 9:21 AM > Just to clarify: the reel motor itself is the same in both > rubber > and gear idler drives. Rubber idlers must be replaced every > few hundred hours of operation (say, every couple of years > on the average), Gear idlers last just about indefinitely. > With > either idler, the motor will eventually (many, many years > of > operation) fail. > > Unlike the control motor, the reel motor does not respond > well to rebuilding. I congratulate Antoine on his great > success rate, but IME, most rebuilds failed, while just > about all control motor rebuildsrebulids succeeded. The > usual > failure mode is in Play, not in FF or REW. YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > Hi Don, > > > > The drive motor on gear drive Naks seems to fail > easily. It develops > > dead spots and loses speed. It can be fixed, but not > by anyone. You > > need to clean the commutator in the motor. I've > successfully fixed all > > my gear drive Naks so far. (On idler models, the idler > fails, but on > > gear-drive ones, it's the motor) > > > > If you want to do it yourself, I'll send you a > list of things to check > > to make sure your motor still works when reassembled. > > > > Cheers, > > Antoine > > > > Pär Ericsson a écrit : > >> I`ve had several Sankyo mechanisms with with weak > idler motor. If it > >> doesn´t help with cleaning and lubrication, > replacement is the only > >> opption. > >> > >> Pelle. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> *From:* Don West > > >> *To:* naktalk at naks.com > > >> *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:02 AM > >> *Subject:* [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop > >> > >> I've been in touch with another Nak > service site, but wanted > >> feedback from any that can offer. CR7A has the > idler upgrade, I > >> believe to a gear system. Finding unit > recently has been > >> auto-stopping when cassette is about 2/3 full > on take-up. > >> Wondering if cleaning of tape path, including > rollers, with proper > >> solution would help? One source gave a general > recommendation of > >> replacing a motor (still not sure which one) > and motion sensor. > >> Thanks. > >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! > http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Sep 29 15:50:03 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:50:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts In-Reply-To: <200852.15424.qm@web83102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200852.15424.qm@web83102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48E0DD0B.4060303@yahoo.ca> Hi, there's a technical service bulletin on that matter, Nakamichi offered a kit to fix the problem. Problem: It's not available anymore. I tried JB Weld on nylon already, and it would easily separate from it. I fixed my deck with a mix of CrazyGlue and JB Weld, but I was wondering if anyone had a better solution, in case it breaks again, and I'm looking for a solution that would work on my Superscope idler. I googled a bit, and "SureHold Plastic Surgery" would be the best thing available for nylon, even though the joint won't be as good as the original material. I think I'll try it on the idler and give some news on how it works. Antoine Warren Bendler a écrit : > I have not found any glue that makes a strong bond to nylon. JB Weld > is the best I have found so far, but it can still be broken loose. > > Warren > > --- On *Mon, 9/29/08, David Thompson //* > wrote: > > From: David Thompson > Subject: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 7:38 AM > > Antoine > > I have a 581 deck with the same eject cable holder partly broken loose. I > have it held in place with a wire tied from it to a convenient point at the > back inside. It has worked fine that way for some years. If necessary, you > might need some glue at the base of the holder as > well. > > David > > >Message: 4 > >Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:24:26 -0400 > >From: " Antoine Desch?nes " > >Subject: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Message-ID: > > <17d5ee910809280924v5caf6079o9625c02aadcf9a28 at mail.gmail.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > >Anyone knows if broken nylon can be fixed? For example, the eject > >cable holder on the 480, or a little part on the Superscope CD-330 hub > >idler arm that is supposed to hold the rewind spring... > > -- > >Antoine Deschênes > > From grahamanelson at googlemail.com Mon Sep 29 16:04:50 2008 From: grahamanelson at googlemail.com (Graham A Nelson) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:04:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Pinch rollers In-Reply-To: <48E0D66C.6050809@verizon.net> References: <001701c92127$71a3ef60$5d5ef842@borgcollective> <48DF8CF2.1020805@yahoo.ca> <48E0D66C.6050809@verizon.net> Message-ID: <002401c9223c$58a60ff0$09f22fd0$@com> See http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=160285971943&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 (This ebay seller is also offering Riemen belts for Naks hmmmm . ) From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:22 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop Just to clarify: the reel motor itself is the same in both rubber and gear idler drives. Rubber idlers must be replaced every few hundred hours of operation (say, every couple of years on the average), Gear idlers last just about indefinitely. With either idler, the motor will eventually (many, many years of operation) fail. Unlike the control motor, the reel motor does not respond well to rebuilding. I congratulate Antoine on his great success rate, but IME, most rebuilds failed, while just about all control motor rebuildsrebulids succeeded. The usual failure mode is in Play, not in FF or REW. YMMV. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: Hi Don, The drive motor on gear drive Naks seems to fail easily. It develops dead spots and loses speed. It can be fixed, but not by anyone. You need to clean the commutator in the motor. I've successfully fixed all my gear drive Naks so far. (On idler models, the idler fails, but on gear-drive ones, it's the motor) If you want to do it yourself, I'll send you a list of things to check to make sure your motor still works when reassembled. Cheers, Antoine Pär Ericsson a écrit : I`ve had several Sankyo mechanisms with with weak idler motor. If it doesn´t help with cleaning and lubrication, replacement is the only opption. Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Don West *To:* naktalk at naks.com *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:02 AM *Subject:* [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop I've been in touch with another Nak service site, but wanted feedback from any that can offer. CR7A has the idler upgrade, I believe to a gear system. Finding unit recently has been auto-stopping when cassette is about 2/3 full on take-up. Wondering if cleaning of tape path, including rollers, with proper solution would help? One source gave a general recommendation of replacing a motor (still not sure which one) and motion sensor. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Mon Sep 29 15:57:53 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:57:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop In-Reply-To: <48E0D66C.6050809@verizon.net> References: <001701c92127$71a3ef60$5d5ef842@borgcollective> <48DF8CF2.1020805@yahoo.ca> <48E0D66C.6050809@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48E0DEE1.9030802@yahoo.ca> The motors might be the same, but when you switch an idler drive to a gear drive, the motor comes with the upgrade kit (as I can see from the Nakamichi upgrade guides). Would the new motor have a problem, or is the higher torque wearing it faster? The main thing to look for when you rebuild the motor is to mark the correct orientation between the back cover and the motor. You need to keep the brushes and magnets correctly aligned or nothing will work. Otherwise, you'll get a motor running backwards, slowly, or even not running at all. The control motor doesn't have any problem with this as the back cover is always aligned correctly when you replace it. It could just end up going backwards (so you just switch the wires). If anyone has a dead motor (which you would just replace otherwise, you don't lose anything), I'd gladly try to fix it. By the way, one of the motors even failed on rewind and fast forward. Antoine Ron a écrit : > > Just to clarify: the reel motor itself is the same in both rubber > and gear idler drives. Rubber idlers must be replaced every > few hundred hours of operation (say, every couple of years > on the average), Gear idlers last just about indefinitely. With > either idler, the motor will eventually (many, many years of > operation) fail. > > Unlike the control motor, the reel motor does not respond > well to rebuilding. I congratulate Antoine on his great > success rate, but IME, most rebuilds failed, while just > about all control motor rebuildsrebulids succeeded. The usual > failure mode is in Play, not in FF or REW. YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> Hi Don, >> >> The drive motor on gear drive Naks seems to fail easily. It develops >> dead spots and loses speed. It can be fixed, but not by anyone. You >> need to clean the commutator in the motor. I've successfully fixed >> all my gear drive Naks so far. (On idler models, the idler fails, but >> on gear-drive ones, it's the motor) >> >> If you want to do it yourself, I'll send you a list of things to >> check to make sure your motor still works when reassembled. >> >> Cheers, >> Antoine >> >> Pär Ericsson a écrit : >>> I`ve had several Sankyo mechanisms with with weak idler motor. If it >>> doesn´t help with cleaning and lubrication, replacement is the only >>> opption. >>> >>> Pelle. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Don West >>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:02 AM >>> *Subject:* [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop >>> >>> I've been in touch with another Nak service site, but wanted >>> feedback from any that can offer. CR7A has the idler upgrade, I >>> believe to a gear system. Finding unit recently has been >>> auto-stopping when cassette is about 2/3 full on take-up. >>> Wondering if cleaning of tape path, including rollers, with proper >>> solution would help? One source gave a general recommendation of >>> replacing a motor (still not sure which one) and motion sensor. >>> Thanks. >>> From willyherm at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 18:43:51 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (WillyHerm) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:43:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts In-Reply-To: <48E0DD0B.4060303@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <48e105cc.081b600a.135f.6d32@mx.google.com> If you are familiar with the Nak repair bulletin (OOD-SI-3115) the parts supplied can be duplicated with a washer, a nut and a bolt of the right length. I have substituted those parts from a hardware store for years. Just epoxy the nut to the washer and use a piece of double stick tape to hold the washer to the backside of the middle plinth long enough to tighten the bolt. Heed the warning about not tightening it so much that you flex the plinth. Willy -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Antoine Deschênes Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 6:50 AM To: wbendler at sbcglobal.net; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts Hi, there's a technical service bulletin on that matter, Nakamichi offered a kit to fix the problem. Problem: It's not available anymore. I tried JB Weld on nylon already, and it would easily separate from it. I fixed my deck with a mix of CrazyGlue and JB Weld, but I was wondering if anyone had a better solution, in case it breaks again, and I'm looking for a solution that would work on my Superscope idler. I googled a bit, and "SureHold Plastic Surgery" would be the best thing available for nylon, even though the joint won't be as good as the original material. I think I'll try it on the idler and give some news on how it works. Antoine Warren Bendler a écrit : > I have not found any glue that makes a strong bond to nylon. JB Weld > is the best I have found so far, but it can still be broken loose. > > Warren > > --- On *Mon, 9/29/08, David Thompson //* > wrote: > > From: David Thompson > Subject: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts > To: "naktalk at naks.com" > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 7:38 AM > > Antoine > > I have a 581 deck with the same eject cable holder partly broken loose. I > have it held in place with a wire tied from it to a convenient point at the > back inside. It has worked fine that way for some years. If necessary, you > might need some glue at the base of the holder as > well. > > David > > >Message: 4 > >Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:24:26 -0400 > >From: " Antoine Desch?nes " > >Subject: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts > >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > > >Message-ID: > > <17d5ee910809280924v5caf6079o9625c02aadcf9a28 at mail.gmail.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > >Anyone knows if broken nylon can be fixed? For example, the eject > >cable holder on the 480, or a little part on the Superscope CD-330 hub > >idler arm that is supposed to hold the rewind spring... > > -- > >Antoine Deschênes > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= From hitech77 at earthlink.net Mon Sep 29 18:48:17 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:48:17 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts Message-ID: <18861359.1222706897868.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Antione, Look at the bulletin, then buy a 2" screw, 2 large washers, and 2 nuts. These parts can be threaded into the chassis to clamp the eject cable in the same manner described by the bulletin. In the USA there is a company called loctite that makes special glues for plastics, and I believe they have a nylon glue. tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: Antoine Deschênes >Sent: Sep 29, 2008 8:50 AM >To: wbendler at sbcglobal.net, Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts > >Hi, > >there's a technical service bulletin on that matter, Nakamichi offered a >kit to fix the problem. Problem: It's not available anymore. >I tried JB Weld on nylon already, and it would easily separate from it. >I fixed my deck with a mix of CrazyGlue and JB Weld, but I was wondering >if anyone had a better solution, in case it breaks again, and I'm >looking for a solution that would work on my Superscope idler. > >I googled a bit, and "SureHold Plastic Surgery" would be the best thing >available for nylon, even though the joint won't be as good as the >original material. I think I'll try it on the idler and give some news >on how it works. > >Antoine > >Warren Bendler a écrit : >> I have not found any glue that makes a strong bond to nylon. JB Weld >> is the best I have found so far, but it can still be broken loose. >> >> Warren >> >> --- On *Mon, 9/29/08, David Thompson //* >> wrote: >> >> From: David Thompson >> Subject: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts >> To: "naktalk at naks.com" >> Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 7:38 AM >> >> Antoine >> >> I have a 581 deck with the same eject cable holder partly broken loose. I >> have it held in place with a wire tied from it to a convenient point at the >> back inside. It has worked fine that way for some years. If necessary, you >> might need some glue at the base of the holder as >> well. >> >> David >> >> >Message: 4 >> >Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:24:26 -0400 >> >From: " Antoine Desch?nes " >> >Subject: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts >> >To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" >> >> >Message-ID: >> > <17d5ee910809280924v5caf6079o9625c02aadcf9a28 at mail.gmail.com> >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> >Anyone knows if broken nylon can be fixed? For example, the eject >> >cable holder on the 480, or a little part on the Superscope CD-330 hub >> >idler arm that is supposed to hold the rewind spring... >> >> -- >> >Antoine Deschênes >> >> > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From audiomayvin2000 at yahoo.ca Mon Sep 29 18:56:58 2008 From: audiomayvin2000 at yahoo.ca (Leon Ament) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] BIC machine Message-ID: <113060.61160.qm@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>  One of the BIC machines was tested at HI-FI NEWS (England)  a number of years ago and very high distortion was measured on the electronics. Plainly a piece of garbage.    All the best,      Leon __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Mon Sep 29 19:46:30 2008 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop In-Reply-To: <48E0DEE1.9030802@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <254374.77629.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com> When you change from idler tire to gear drive on the CR 7, the torque of the reel motor becomes higher.  You must adjust the torque downward.   Jayson --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Antoine Deschênes wrote: From: Antoine Deschênes Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 9:57 AM The motors might be the same, but when you switch an idler drive to a gear drive, the motor comes with the upgrade kit (as I can see from the Nakamichi upgrade guides). Would the new motor have a problem, or is the higher torque wearing it faster? The main thing to look for when you rebuild the motor is to mark the correct orientation between the back cover and the motor. You need to keep the brushes and magnets correctly aligned or nothing will work. Otherwise, you'll get a motor running backwards, slowly, or even not running at all. The control motor doesn't have any problem with this as the back cover is always aligned correctly when you replace it. It could just end up going backwards (so you just switch the wires). If anyone has a dead motor (which you would just replace otherwise, you don't lose anything), I'd gladly try to fix it. By the way, one of the motors even failed on rewind and fast forward. Antoine Ron a écrit : > > Just to clarify: the reel motor itself is the same in both rubber > and gear idler drives. Rubber idlers must be replaced every > few hundred hours of operation (say, every couple of years > on the average), Gear idlers last just about indefinitely. With > either idler, the motor will eventually (many, many years of > operation) fail. > > Unlike the control motor, the reel motor does not respond > well to rebuilding. I congratulate Antoine on his great > success rate, but IME, most rebuilds failed, while just > about all control motor rebuildsrebulids succeeded. The usual > failure mode is in Play, not in FF or REW. YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> Hi Don, >> >> The drive motor on gear drive Naks seems to fail easily. It develops >> dead spots and loses speed. It can be fixed, but not by anyone. You >> need to clean the commutator in the motor. I've successfully fixed >> all my gear drive Naks so far. (On idler models, the idler fails, but >> on gear-drive ones, it's the motor) >> >> If you want to do it yourself, I'll send you a list of things to >> check to make sure your motor still works when reassembled. >> >> Cheers, >> Antoine >> >> Pär Ericsson a écrit : >>> I`ve had several Sankyo mechanisms with with weak idler motor. If it >>> doesn´t help with cleaning and lubrication, replacement is the only >>> opption. >>> >>> Pelle. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Don West >>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:02 AM >>> *Subject:* [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop >>> >>> I've been in touch with another Nak service site, but wanted >>> feedback from any that can offer. CR7A has the idler upgrade, I >>> believe to a gear system. Finding unit recently has been >>> auto-stopping when cassette is about 2/3 full on take-up. >>> Wondering if cleaning of tape path, including rollers, with proper >>> solution would help? One source gave a general recommendation of >>> replacing a motor (still not sure which one) and motion sensor. >>> Thanks. >>> ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Sep 29 23:31:46 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:31:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop In-Reply-To: <48E0DEE1.9030802@yahoo.ca> References: <001701c92127$71a3ef60$5d5ef842@borgcollective> <48DF8CF2.1020805@yahoo.ca> <48E0D66C.6050809@verizon.net> <48E0DEE1.9030802@yahoo.ca> Message-ID: <48E14942.9040603@verizon.net> Antoine Deschênes wrote: > The motors might be the same, but when you switch an idler drive to a > gear drive, the motor comes with the upgrade kit (as I can see from > the Nakamichi upgrade guides). Would the new motor have a problem, or > is the higher torque wearing it faster? The motor comes with the upgrade kit because it is part of a different *Assembly.* The torque with either rubber or gear idler is exactly the same. That's because the work done on the reel hub is the same, while the idler has no effect on torque (that's why it's called 'idler)'. > The main thing to look for when you rebuild the motor is to mark the > correct orientation between the back cover and the motor. You need to > keep the brushes and magnets correctly aligned or nothing will work. > Otherwise, you'll get a motor running backwards, slowly, or even not > running at all. The control motor doesn't have any problem with this > as the back cover is always aligned correctly when you replace it. It > could just end up going backwards (so you just switch the wires). Oh, we are assuming up front no silly mistakes are made. After rebuilding a reel motor it always runs fine in FF or REW, but is flaky in play. I am not sure, but guess that the commutator segments-- even after burnishing -- are still rough, so the brushes cause too much friction . I suspect that cutting the commutator really straight on a lathe (not a simple task) will make it run well in Play, as well. Never tried it -- it's easier to cannibalize a reel motor from a parts deck. > If anyone has a dead motor (which you would just replace otherwise, > you don't lose anything), I'd gladly try to fix it. I probably have one (unless I tossed them all). If so, you will find that it runs perfectly at 12V, but won't start at 2.5V, making is useless in a deck. Let me rummage in my famous junk box to see if I can come up with one. -- Ron > > By the way, one of the motors even failed on rewind and fast forward. > > Antoine > > Ron a écrit : >> >> Just to clarify: the reel motor itself is the same in both rubber >> and gear idler drives. Rubber idlers must be replaced every >> few hundred hours of operation (say, every couple of years >> on the average), Gear idlers last just about indefinitely. With >> either idler, the motor will eventually (many, many years of >> operation) fail. >> >> Unlike the control motor, the reel motor does not respond >> well to rebuilding. I congratulate Antoine on his great >> success rate, but IME, most rebuilds failed, while just >> about all control motor rebuildsrebulids succeeded. The usual >> failure mode is in Play, not in FF or REW. YMMV. >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> >> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>> Hi Don, >>> >>> The drive motor on gear drive Naks seems to fail easily. It develops >>> dead spots and loses speed. It can be fixed, but not by anyone. You >>> need to clean the commutator in the motor. I've successfully fixed >>> all my gear drive Naks so far. (On idler models, the idler fails, >>> but on gear-drive ones, it's the motor) >>> >>> If you want to do it yourself, I'll send you a list of things to >>> check to make sure your motor still works when reassembled. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Antoine >>> >>> Pär Ericsson a écrit : >>>> I`ve had several Sankyo mechanisms with with weak idler motor. If >>>> it doesn´t help with cleaning and lubrication, replacement is the >>>> only opption. >>>> >>>> Pelle. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Don West >>>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:02 AM >>>> *Subject:* [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop >>>> >>>> I've been in touch with another Nak service site, but wanted >>>> feedback from any that can offer. CR7A has the idler upgrade, I >>>> believe to a gear system. Finding unit recently has been >>>> auto-stopping when cassette is about 2/3 full on take-up. >>>> Wondering if cleaning of tape path, including rollers, with proper >>>> solution would help? One source gave a general recommendation of >>>> replacing a motor (still not sure which one) and motion sensor. >>>> Thanks. >>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at verizon.net Mon Sep 29 23:33:57 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:33:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Pinch rollers In-Reply-To: <002401c9223c$58a60ff0$09f22fd0$@com> References: <001701c92127$71a3ef60$5d5ef842@borgcollective> <48DF8CF2.1020805@yahoo.ca> <48E0D66C.6050809@verizon.net> <002401c9223c$58a60ff0$09f22fd0$@com> Message-ID: <48E149C5.70905@verizon.net> Seventy five bucks for a pair of pinch rollers???? No wonder the stock market collapsed today :-). -- Ron Graham A Nelson wrote: > > See > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160285971943&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 > > > > > (This ebay seller is also offering Riemen belts for Naks ... hmmmm .... ) > > > > > > *From:* naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] *On > Behalf Of *Ron > *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2008 2:22 PM > *To:* Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop > > > > > Just to clarify: the reel motor itself is the same in both rubber > and gear idler drives. Rubber idlers must be replaced every > few hundred hours of operation (say, every couple of years > on the average), Gear idlers last just about indefinitely. With > either idler, the motor will eventually (many, many years of > operation) fail. > > Unlike the control motor, the reel motor does not respond > well to rebuilding. I congratulate Antoine on his great > success rate, but IME, most rebuilds failed, while just > about all control motor rebuildsrebulids succeeded. The usual > failure mode is in Play, not in FF or REW. YMMV. > > -- Ron > > > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: > > Hi Don, > > The drive motor on gear drive Naks seems to fail easily. It develops > dead spots and loses speed. It can be fixed, but not by anyone. You > need to clean the commutator in the motor. I've successfully fixed all > my gear drive Naks so far. (On idler models, the idler fails, but on > gear-drive ones, it's the motor) > > If you want to do it yourself, I'll send you a list of things to check > to make sure your motor still works when reassembled. > > Cheers, > Antoine > > Pär Ericsson a écrit : > > I`ve had several Sankyo mechanisms with with weak idler motor. If it > doesn´t help with cleaning and lubrication, replacement is the only > opption. > > Pelle. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Don West > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:02 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop > > I've been in touch with another Nak service site, but wanted > feedback from any that can offer. CR7A has the idler upgrade, I > believe to a gear system. Finding unit recently has been > auto-stopping when cassette is about 2/3 full on take-up. > Wondering if cleaning of tape path, including rollers, with proper > solution would help? 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URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 00:08:52 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:08:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay In-Reply-To: <84846.58851.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <84846.58851.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5B39FF2EA8E4469B8B01DD5F4A43B460@geoffprimary> I suspect that the text near the end of his listing will help keep the winning bid a bit on the low side: "Due to Ebay / Paypal policies ( their recent changes ) I do not want to claim any warranty or Performance capabilities of this Machine. So when You bid you agree to this condition as this is an used electronic item. No returns whatsoever - You agree to this condition when you bid on this item and understand this condition You have to read my feedbacks so far as a seller and buyer. Trust me based on my past selling. If you are a sincere buyer, I will do everything possible to satisfy the buyer but I do not as an ebay listing- claim anything except that this machine is an used machine sold as is with no implied performance or functioning due to Ebay policy related to claims by Buyers" I'm curious what recent policy changes he's talking about? -- Geoffrey Reynolds ----- Original Message ----- From: jayson levitz To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay Hi NakTalkers. Check this Dragon eBay auction out. Seller says it is restored and so far the bid is only $330 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280269429140&_trksid=e11000.m203&_trkparms=algo%3DCRX%26its%3DS%26itu%3DSI%26otn%3D3&ssPageName=ADME:B:BCA:US:1123 Jayson ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 00:11:25 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:11:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Pinch rollers In-Reply-To: <48E149C5.70905@verizon.net> References: <001701c92127$71a3ef60$5d5ef842@borgcollective> <48DF8CF2.1020805@yahoo.ca><48E0D66C.6050809@verizon.net> <002401c9223c$58a60ff0$09f22fd0$@com> <48E149C5.70905@verizon.net> Message-ID: <016178B2110F451E965F0B5274CF0C86@geoffprimary> For the love of god (or whatever / whoever each person believes in), can we keep politics and the stock market out of here? We get enough exposure to that stuff elsewhere (some of us at work) that it would be nice to have a few safe places to go :). Thanks, -- Geoffrey Reynolds ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: grahamanelson at googlemail.com ; Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Pinch rollers Seventy five bucks for a pair of pinch rollers???? No wonder the stock market collapsed today :-). -- Ron Graham A Nelson wrote: See http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160285971943&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 (This ebay seller is also offering Riemen belts for Naks . hmmmm .. ) From: naktalk-bounces at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-bounces at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:22 PM To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop Just to clarify: the reel motor itself is the same in both rubber and gear idler drives. Rubber idlers must be replaced every few hundred hours of operation (say, every couple of years on the average), Gear idlers last just about indefinitely. With either idler, the motor will eventually (many, many years of operation) fail. Unlike the control motor, the reel motor does not respond well to rebuilding. I congratulate Antoine on his great success rate, but IME, most rebuilds failed, while just about all control motor rebuildsrebulids succeeded. The usual failure mode is in Play, not in FF or REW. YMMV. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: Hi Don, The drive motor on gear drive Naks seems to fail easily. It develops dead spots and loses speed. It can be fixed, but not by anyone. You need to clean the commutator in the motor. I've successfully fixed all my gear drive Naks so far. (On idler models, the idler fails, but on gear-drive ones, it's the motor) If you want to do it yourself, I'll send you a list of things to check to make sure your motor still works when reassembled. Cheers, Antoine Pär Ericsson a écrit : I`ve had several Sankyo mechanisms with with weak idler motor. If it doesn´t help with cleaning and lubrication, replacement is the only opption. Pelle. ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Don West *To:* naktalk at naks.com *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:02 AM *Subject:* [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop I've been in touch with another Nak service site, but wanted feedback from any that can offer. CR7A has the idler upgrade, I believe to a gear system. Finding unit recently has been auto-stopping when cassette is about 2/3 full on take-up. Wondering if cleaning of tape path, including rollers, with proper solution would help? One source gave a general recommendation of replacing a motor (still not sure which one) and motion sensor. 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URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Sep 30 01:17:04 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:17:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay Message-ID: <2700A9F1-6C75-40DC-B8D3-4E591D7B5F8D@alumni.caltech.edu> IIRC that's Kanaan who is on this list. He'll probably pipe in at some point (espcially since I've blown his cover).-kby From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Sep 30 01:21:48 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:21:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts Message-ID: <5F31940A-F549-48CF-915A-DE73D5DBFB9C@alumni.caltech.edu> > If it is the stuff I'm thinking of (their cyanoacrylate aka superglue- based thing with the extra primer to help it work with 'hard-to-bond' polypropylene/polyethylene) or anything like that it will work to the extent it will put the parts together, but it's unlikely to take a lot of load/ stress/strain, such as might be encountered in an eject lever or something. YMMV.-kby > Antione, > Look at the bulletin, then buy a 2" screw, 2 large washers, and 2 > nuts. These parts can be threaded into the chassis to clamp the > eject cable in the same manner described by the bulletin. In the > USA there is a company called loctite that makes special glues for > plastics, and I believe they have a nylon glue. > > tom brucker > From fripp_em at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 01:32:14 2008 From: fripp_em at yahoo.com (fripp_em) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay Message-ID: <732926.13783.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Says he is experienced at repairs, but offers no warranty (Willy does for example) and no returns. I think that someone who trusted their repairs would do a little better than that unless they don't care about getting a better price for it. Anyway, there are 5 dragons on ebay at the moment and more to follow. They aren't exactly rare... David --- On Mon, 9/29/08, jayson levitz wrote: > From: jayson levitz > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 2:30 PM > Hi NakTalkers. Check this Dragon eBay auction out. > Seller says it is restored and so far the bid is only $330 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280269429140&_trksid=e11000.m203&_trkparms=algo%3DCRX%26its%3DS%26itu%3DSI%26otn%3D3&ssPageName=ADME:B:BCA:US:1123 > > Jayson > From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 30 01:25:05 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:25:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] BIC machine Message-ID: <12913314.1222730705522.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjlbjk at cox.net Tue Sep 30 00:31:32 2008 From: rjlbjk at cox.net (Roland) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:31:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay In-Reply-To: <5B39FF2EA8E4469B8B01DD5F4A43B460@geoffprimary> References: <84846.58851.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <5B39FF2EA8E4469B8B01DD5F4A43B460@geoffprimary> Message-ID: <20080929223131.NPVC11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> (cough, cough) does everyone realize the seller is a Naktalker? At 06:08 PM 9/29/2008, you wrote: >I suspect that the text near the end of his listing will help keep >the winning bid a bit on the low side: > >"Due to Ebay / Paypal policies ( their recent changes ) I do not >want to claim any warranty or Performance capabilities of this >Machine. So when You bid you agree to this condition as this is an >used electronic item. >No returns whatsoever - You agree to this condition when you bid on >this item and understand this condition >You have to read my feedbacks so far as a seller and buyer. Trust me >based on my past selling. If you are a sincere buyer, I will do >everything possible to satisfy the buyer but I do not as an ebay >listing- claim anything except that this machine is an used machine >sold as is with no implied performance or functioning due to Ebay >policy related to claims by Buyers" > >I'm curious what recent policy changes he's talking about? >-- >Geoffrey Reynolds > >----- Original Message ----- >From: jayson levitz >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 5:30 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay > > >Hi NakTalkers. Check this Dragon eBay auction out. Seller says it >is restored and so far the bid is only $330 > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280269429140&_trksid=e11000.m203&_trkparms=algo%3DCRX%26its%3DS%26itu%3DSI%26otn%3D3&ssPageName=ADME:B:BCA:US:1123 > >Jayson > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greynlds at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 02:07:53 2008 From: greynlds at gmail.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:07:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay In-Reply-To: <20080929223131.NPVC11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> References: <84846.58851.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <5B39FF2EA8E4469B8B01DD5F4A43B460@geoffprimary> <20080929223131.NPVC11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <5F9FBD92253D470E80F22E1A30BF34FB@geoffprimary> I certainly didn't recognize who it was from the eBay user id, but I'm not sure how that matters - I'm certainly not going to retract my previous statement just because the seller is a member of Naktalk. If the seller (whoever the seller happens to be) is unwilling to provide any sort of assurance that the deck will work, then it really doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the repairs as Dave (fripp_em) said in his post. I've always felt that if an item is misrepresented, which you can only tell once you have it in your possession (if you can tell that it's misrepresented by the list, it's your bad if you bid on it), that the seller should take it back for a full refund including shipping both ways. With text indicating that no returns will be accepted for any reason, it inspires no confidence. As Dave also said, these things aren't exactly rare on eBay and if I were in the market for one I would rather get one in top cosmetic condition that required new belts and/or other minor service than one in mediocre cosmetic condition that's been recently serviced especially if I have no idea who did the service AND there's no sort of warranty on that service. Minor repairs and routine service are a lot easier to do or have done than fixing cosmetic issues. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay (cough, cough) does everyone realize the seller is a Naktalker? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wbendler at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 30 02:39:52 2008 From: wbendler at sbcglobal.net (Warren Bendler) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:39:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fixing nylon parts In-Reply-To: <5F31940A-F549-48CF-915A-DE73D5DBFB9C@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <5F31940A-F549-48CF-915A-DE73D5DBFB9C@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <48E17558.5060409@sbcglobal.net> I did find something that is supposed to work. Mcmaster-Carr has Permabond Super Glues, which they claim: "These one-part adhesives bond close-fitting nonporous surfaces in seconds and reach 3000 psi shear strength in 4 hours. Color is clear. Provide the highest strength bond on some metals (including aluminum, steel, stainless steel, and brass), but will also bond rubber and some plastics (including ABS, Delrin, nylon, acrylic, and polystyrene) and Garolite (phenolic laminates)." They are pretty expensive. They have an all purpose formula, #910, for $16.28 for 1 Oz. That one will not fill much of a gap. They have one that looks really good, that is more viscous and you can build it up around a part, or even pot stuff with it. This is #922 at $45.58 for 1 Oz! but if you are really stuck and trying to fix a non - available part, it might be your best bet. For the nylon bosses on the old transport, I have drilled a hole clear through and used a long bolt and a nut through the entire sandwich, to hold the chassis together. On mine I had to run the bolt fro, the front panel through the sandwich, to both hold the sandwich together and mount it to the front panel. I use Loctite 495 to hold the bosses in position long enough to assemble it and put the bolt through. Next time I have one of these with a broken boss, I am thinking of trying threaded aluminum standoffs, also available at McMaster - Carr. Might have to grind or cut them to the exact length. Warren Kimo B. Yap wrote: >> > If it is the stuff I'm thinking of (their cyanoacrylate aka > superglue-based thing with the extra primer to help it work with > 'hard-to-bond' polypropylene/polyethylene) or anything like that it > will work to the extent it will > put the parts together, but it's unlikely to take a lot of > load/stress/strain, such as might be encountered in an eject lever or > something. YMMV.-kby > >> Antione, >> Look at the bulletin, then buy a 2" screw, 2 large washers, and 2 >> nuts. These parts can be threaded into the chassis to clamp the eject >> cable in the same manner described by the bulletin. In the USA there >> is a company called loctite that makes special glues for plastics, >> and I believe they have a nylon glue. >> >> tom brucker >> > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > > From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 30 06:32:16 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:32:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] BIC machine In-Reply-To: <12913314.1222730705522.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <093020080432.25457.48E1ABCF000A58AC0000637122228869349B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> One merchants garbage is another pirates treasure! I watched in amazement recently a video where a warehouse disposed of thousands of cassettes. They contracted a disposal firm to hire a garbage truck, which backed up to the loading dock and sent NOS tape to the bowls of a land fill. I felt like crying. -------------- Original message from Tom Brucker : -------------- Ahh, but it's GOOD garbage! Tests do not tell the story. Listen to music! tom brucker -----Original Message----- From: Leon Ament Sent: Sep 29, 2008 11:56 AM To: Naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BIC machine One of the BIC machines was tested at HI-FI NEWS (England) a number of years ago and very high distortion was measured on the electronics. Plainly a piece of garbage. All the best, Leon Now with a new friend-happy design! Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 30 06:38:34 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:38:34 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay In-Reply-To: <732926.13783.qm@web50504.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <093020080438.1695.48E1AD4A000242DD0000069F22228869349B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> The new world economy: I'll trade you these two Dragons and the scratched up ZXL for 6 chickens and 10 Gallons of milk.... -------------- Original message from fripp_em : -------------- Says he is experienced at repairs, but offers no warranty (Willy does for example) and no returns. I think that someone who trusted their repairs would do a little better than that unless they don't care about getting a better price > for it. > Anyway, there are 5 dragons on ebay at the moment and more to follow. They > aren't exactly rare... > > David > > > --- On Mon, 9/29/08, jayson levitz wrote: > > > From: jayson levitz > > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 2:30 PM > > Hi NakTalkers. Check this Dragon eBay auction out. > > Seller says it is restored and so far the bid is only $330 > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280269429140&_trksid=e11000.m 203&_trkparms=algo%3DCRX%26its%3DS%26itu%3DSI%26otn%3D3&ssPageName=ADME:B:BCA:US > :1123 > > > > Jayson > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Sep 30 06:39:12 2008 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (Walter Drewes) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:39:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay References: <84846.58851.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com><5B39FF2EA8E4469B8B01DD5F4A43B460@geoffprimary><20080929223131.NPVC11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <5F9FBD92253D470E80F22E1A30BF34FB@geoffprimary> Message-ID: <002f01c922b6$7f965280$e9741aac@MWDrews> yes Geoff. walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoffrey Reynolds To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay I certainly didn't recognize who it was from the eBay user id, but I'm not sure how that matters - I'm certainly not going to retract my previous statement just because the seller is a member of Naktalk. If the seller (whoever the seller happens to be) is unwilling to provide any sort of assurance that the deck will work, then it really doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the repairs as Dave (fripp_em) said in his post. I've always felt that if an item is misrepresented, which you can only tell once you have it in your possession (if you can tell that it's misrepresented by the list, it's your bad if you bid on it), that the seller should take it back for a full refund including shipping both ways. With text indicating that no returns will be accepted for any reason, it inspires no confidence. As Dave also said, these things aren't exactly rare on eBay and if I were in the market for one I would rather get one in top cosmetic condition that required new belts and/or other minor service than one in mediocre cosmetic condition that's been recently serviced especially if I have no idea who did the service AND there's no sort of warranty on that service. Minor repairs and routine service are a lot easier to do or have done than fixing cosmetic issues. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay (cough, cough) does everyone realize the seller is a Naktalker? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. 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URL: From ddino77 at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 30 07:28:45 2008 From: ddino77 at bellsouth.net (ddino77 at bellsouth.net) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:28:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay In-Reply-To: <5F9FBD92253D470E80F22E1A30BF34FB@geoffprimary> References: <84846.58851.qm@web55102.mail.re4.yahoo.com><5B39FF2EA8E4469B8B01DD5F4A43B460@geoffprimary><20080929223131.NPVC11636.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> <5F9FBD92253D470E80F22E1A30BF34FB@geoffprimary> Message-ID: <093020080528.19323.48E1B90D0003AA7200004B7B22228869349B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC9C90102070B0B@att.net> Maybe, and I mean maybe he meant, if the machine arrives DOA, the seller cannot/will not be responsible and therefore not refund the payment. However if it is not destroyed in transit due to shipper mishandling and it does not perform as described it will be repaired at the sellers expense. No telling if postage is on your, or his coin. BTW, I am not the seller.... -------------- Original message from "Geoffrey Reynolds" : -------------- I certainly didn't recognize who it was from the eBay user id, but I'm not sure how that matters - I'm certainly not going to retract my previous statement just because the seller is a member of Naktalk. If the seller (whoever the seller happens to be) is unwilling to provide any sort of assurance that the deck will work, then it really doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in the repairs as Dave (fripp_em) said in his post. I've always felt that if an item is misrepresented, which you can only tell once you have it in your possession (if you can tell that it's misrepresented by the list, it's your bad if you bid on it), that the seller should take it back for a full refund including shipping both ways. With text indicating that no returns will be accepted for any reason, it inspires no confidence. As Dave also said, these things aren't exactly rare on eBay and if I were in the market for one I would rather get one in top cosmetic condition that required new belts and/or other minor service than one in mediocre cosmetic condition that's been recently serviced especially if I have no idea who did the service AND there's no sort of warranty on that service. Minor repairs and routine service are a lot easier to do or have done than fixing cosmetic issues. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland To: Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon For Sale On eBay (cough, cough) does everyone realize the seller is a Naktalker? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmlevitz at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 15:04:39 2008 From: jmlevitz at yahoo.com (jayson levitz) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop In-Reply-To: <48E14942.9040603@verizon.net> Message-ID: <396540.24862.qm@web55101.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Ron, with all due respect, you are mistaken.  When you replace the idler tire with the gear upgrade on a CR7, because the reel motor is now using the more powerful meshing of gears instead of just pressure from basically a rubber washer to drive the hubs, the torque becomes higher on the hubs.  This reel motor torque MUST be reduced for proper functioning and to bring it back to factory spec.  I get this information from an expert source, ESL, as this was done on my CR7 as part of it's overhaul / rebuild.   Jayson --- On Mon, 9/29/08, Ron wrote: From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 5:31 PM Antoine Deschênes wrote: The motors might be the same, but when you switch an idler drive to a gear drive, the motor comes with the upgrade kit (as I can see from the Nakamichi upgrade guides). Would the new motor have a problem, or is the higher torque wearing it faster? The motor comes with the upgrade kit because it is part of a different Assembly. The torque with either rubber or gear idler is exactly the same. That's because the work done on the reel hub is the same, while the idler has no effect on torque (that's why it's called 'idler)'. The main thing to look for when you rebuild the motor is to mark the correct orientation between the back cover and the motor. You need to keep the brushes and magnets correctly aligned or nothing will work. Otherwise, you'll get a motor running backwards, slowly, or even not running at all. The control motor doesn't have any problem with this as the back cover is always aligned correctly when you replace it. It could just end up going backwards (so you just switch the wires). Oh, we are assuming up front no silly mistakes are made. After rebuilding a reel motor it always runs fine in FF or REW, but is flaky in play. I am not sure, but guess that the commutator segments-- even after burnishing -- are still rough, so the brushes cause too much friction . I suspect that cutting the commutator really straight on a lathe (not a simple task) will make it run well in Play, as well. Never tried it -- it's easier to cannibalize a reel motor from a parts deck. If anyone has a dead motor (which you would just replace otherwise, you don't lose anything), I'd gladly try to fix it. I probably have one (unless I tossed them all). If so, you will find that it runs perfectly at 12V, but won't start at 2.5V, making is useless in a deck. Let me rummage in my famous junk box to see if I can come up with one. -- Ron By the way, one of the motors even failed on rewind and fast forward. Antoine Ron a écrit : Just to clarify: the reel motor itself is the same in both rubber and gear idler drives. Rubber idlers must be replaced every few hundred hours of operation (say, every couple of years on the average), Gear idlers last just about indefinitely. With either idler, the motor will eventually (many, many years of operation) fail. Unlike the control motor, the reel motor does not respond well to rebuilding. I congratulate Antoine on his great success rate, but IME, most rebuilds failed, while just about all control motor rebuildsrebulids succeeded. The usual failure mode is in Play, not in FF or REW. YMMV. -- Ron Antoine Deschênes wrote: Hi Don, The drive motor on gear drive Naks seems to fail easily. It develops dead spots and loses speed. It can be fixed, but not by anyone. You need to clean the commutator in the motor. I've successfully fixed all my gear drive Naks so far. (On idler models, the idler fails, but on gear-drive ones, it's the motor) If you want to do it yourself, I'll send you a list of things to check to make sure your motor still works when reassembled. Cheers, Antoine Pär Ericsson a écrit : I`ve had several Sankyo mechanisms with with weak idler motor. If it doesn´t help with cleaning and lubrication, replacement is the only opption.   Pelle.     ----- Original Message -----     *From:* Don West     *To:* naktalk at naks.com     *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:02 AM     *Subject:* [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop     I've been in touch with another Nak service site, but wanted     feedback from any that can offer. CR7A has the idler upgrade, I     believe to a gear system. Finding unit recently has been     auto-stopping when cassette is about 2/3 full on take-up.     Wondering if cleaning of tape path, including rollers, with proper     solution would help? One source gave a general recommendation of     replacing a motor (still not sure which one) and motion sensor.     Thanks. ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register ========---------------------------------------------------------========= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se Tue Sep 30 15:20:46 2008 From: paer.ericsson at blixtmail.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E4r_Ericsson?=) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:20:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon lives! Message-ID: Hello! My beloved Dragon is alive again! He was eating tape and recorded badly on the r/h channel when Dolby C was selected. The first problem was easy to fix since i had a brand new motor board, but the second took some time to figure out. Finally i found that the the r/h encoder Dolby ic was u/s. After replacement of the ic everything was okey. Next, I replaced all the orange caps and calibrated the deck and now it works perfect! If anyone needs Dolby ic´s I have some left. Now I will start with my next project, a badly abused 680ZX. Does anybody got the metal plate thats located on the cassette door with the text "Auto Azimuth Alignment"? Pelle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 30 15:33:01 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:33:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop Message-ID: <19248062.1222781581054.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Sep 30 16:38:27 2008 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:38:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Capstan belt replacement procedure Message-ID: <18775.62.194.57.217.1222785507.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi everyone, After all the discussion about the D2 belt I was wondering if anyone has ever documented the replacement procedure with pictures+writing while performing it? Personally I've done idler's and cam belts but never did a capstan belt so it would be nice to add this procedure to the growing list on the wiki (http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=technical)... Wouter From ra.ah at verizon.net Tue Sep 30 16:50:12 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:50:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop In-Reply-To: <396540.24862.qm@web55101.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <396540.24862.qm@web55101.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48E23CA4.6070001@verizon.net> Jayson, Actually, no, I am not mistaken. In theory, an idler does not affect either torque or speed. However, this assumes an idler with no slippage. So, if an old rubber idler (that does slip) is replaced with a gear idler (that doesn't), it is indeed expected that torque will increase . If torque was previously adjusted with an old rubber idler in place, then yes, one does have to go back and readjust.after fitting a gear idler. However, if torque was previously adjusted for a new rubber idler (that has minimal or no slippage), then it should not be necessary to readjust after replacing with a gear idler. -- Ron jayson levitz wrote: > Ron, with all due respect, you are mistaken. When you replace the > idler tire with the gear upgrade on a CR7, because the reel motor is > now using the more powerful meshing of gears instead of just pressure > from basically a rubber washer to drive the hubs, the torque becomes > higher on the hubs. This reel motor torque MUST be reduced for proper > functioning and to bring it back to factory spec. I get this > information from an expert source, ESL, as this was done on my CR7 as > part of it's overhaul / rebuild. > > Jayson > > --- On *Mon, 9/29/08, Ron //* wrote: > > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop > To: "Talk about Nakamichi Cassette Decks" > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 5:31 PM > > Antoine Deschênes wrote: >> The motors might be the same, but when you switch an idler drive >> to a gear drive, the motor comes with the upgrade kit (as I can >> see from the Nakamichi upgrade guides). Would the new motor have >> a problem, or is the higher torque wearing it faster? > The motor comes with the upgrade kit because it is part > of a different *Assembly.* The torque with either rubber > or gear idler is exactly the same. That's because the > work done on the reel hub is the same, while the idler has > no effect on torque (that's why it's called 'idler)'. >> The main thing to look for when you rebuild the motor is to mark >> the correct orientation between the back cover and the motor. You >> need to keep the brushes and magnets correctly aligned or nothing >> will work. Otherwise, you'll get a motor running backwards, >> slowly, or even not running at all. The control motor doesn't >> have any problem with this as the back cover is always aligned >> correctly when you replace it. It could just end up going >> backwards (so you just switch the wires). > Oh, we are assuming up front no silly mistakes are made. > > After rebuilding a reel motor it always runs fine in FF or > REW, but is flaky in play. I am not sure, but guess that the > commutator segments-- even after burnishing -- are still > rough, so the brushes cause too much friction . I suspect > that cutting the commutator really straight on a lathe (not > a simple task) will make it run well in Play, as well. Never > tried it -- it's easier to cannibalize a reel motor from a parts > deck. >> If anyone has a dead motor (which you would just replace >> otherwise, you don't lose anything), I'd gladly try to fix it. > I probably have one (unless I tossed them all). If so, you > will find that it runs perfectly at 12V, but won't start at 2.5V, > making is useless in a deck. Let me rummage in my famous > junk box to see if I can come up with one. > > -- Ron > > >> >> By the way, one of the motors even failed on rewind and fast >> forward. >> >> Antoine >> >> Ron a écrit : >>> >>> Just to clarify: the reel motor itself is the same in both rubber >>> and gear idler drives. Rubber idlers must be replaced every >>> few hundred hours of operation (say, every couple of years >>> on the average), Gear idlers last just about indefinitely. With >>> either idler, the motor will eventually (many, many years of >>> operation) fail. >>> >>> Unlike the control motor, the reel motor does not respond >>> well to rebuilding. I congratulate Antoine on his great >>> success rate, but IME, most rebuilds failed, while just >>> about all control motor rebuildsrebulids succeeded. The usual >>> failure mode is in Play, not in FF or REW. YMMV. >>> >>> -- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> Antoine Deschênes wrote: >>>> Hi Don, >>>> >>>> The drive motor on gear drive Naks seems to fail easily. It >>>> develops dead spots and loses speed. It can be fixed, but not >>>> by anyone. You need to clean the commutator in the motor. I've >>>> successfully fixed all my gear drive Naks so far. (On idler >>>> models, the idler fails, but on gear-drive ones, it's the motor) >>>> >>>> If you want to do it yourself, I'll send you a list of things >>>> to check to make sure your motor still works when reassembled. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Antoine >>>> >>>> Pär Ericsson a écrit : >>>>> I`ve had several Sankyo mechanisms with with weak idler motor. >>>>> If it doesn´t help with cleaning and lubrication, replacement >>>>> is the only opption. >>>>> >>>>> Pelle. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> *From:* Don West >>>>> *To:* naktalk at naks.com >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:02 AM >>>>> *Subject:* [naktalk] CR7A premature auto-stop >>>>> >>>>> I've been in touch with another Nak service site, but wanted >>>>> feedback from any that can offer. CR7A has the idler >>>>> upgrade, I >>>>> believe to a gear system. Finding unit recently has been >>>>> auto-stopping when cassette is about 2/3 full on take-up. >>>>> Wondering if cleaning of tape path, including rollers, >>>>> with proper >>>>> solution would help? One source gave a general >>>>> recommendation of >>>>> replacing a motor (still not sure which one) and motion >>>>> sensor. >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From west at netgate.net Tue Sep 30 16:54:38 2008 From: west at netgate.net (Don West) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:54:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OK, CR-7A reel motor... Message-ID: <000801c9230c$7774e8e0$3852f842@borgcollective> Thanks for all the great response on my auto stop issue. It seems a consensus about the reel motor. I was able to download the service manual, and have looked it over. I haven't had time to open the machine yet, I will soon. I have worked on a variety of devices. As far as cassette, I even repaired a low end consumer deck that was crammed together, as well as a Tascam 122MKII pro deck (easy to get to the boards and mechanisms, but for a pro deck it sure needed a lot of constant tweaking). Anyway, for those that have been inside the CR-7A, is the reel motor fairly easy to access and remove/replace? Also a thought from another tech was a motion sensor. Would this be the photo cells I see on the auto shut off board? It looks like they are watching the motor and give the command to stop when needed. The CR-7A I have was purchased used from a great Nak outfit many years back. It had been thoroughly gone through, and the idler upgrade performed. This is the first issue I've had with it, otherwise it is the most amazing sound I've heard from a cassette, truly a great machine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From antdes45 at yahoo.ca Tue Sep 30 17:51:14 2008 From: antdes45 at yahoo.ca (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Antoine_Desch=EAnes?=) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:51:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Capstan belt replacement procedure In-Reply-To: <18775.62.194.57.217.1222785507.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <18775.62.194.57.217.1222785507.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <17d5ee910809300851k28df4a30k1330d3fc6a6dca6a@mail.gmail.com> Not really trivial, much easier than the idler or timer belts on the classic transport. 2008/9/30 Wouter Heijke : > Hi everyone, > > After all the discussion about the D2 belt I was wondering if anyone has > ever documented the replacement procedure with pictures+writing while > performing it? > Personally I've done idler's and cam belts but never did a capstan belt so > it would be nice to add this procedure to the growing list on the wiki > (http://www.naks.com/wiki/doku.php?id=technical)... > > Wouter > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Antoine Deschênes From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 30 18:28:04 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:28:04 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] any cure for squeaking DG cassettes? Message-ID: <30627041.1222792084380.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> DG prerecorded tapes that squeak in playback are annoying. Does anyone have advice for curing this or avoiding it? tom brucker Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241 From ra.ah at verizon.net Tue Sep 30 18:36:31 2008 From: ra.ah at verizon.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:36:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OK, CR-7A reel motor... In-Reply-To: <000801c9230c$7774e8e0$3852f842@borgcollective> References: <000801c9230c$7774e8e0$3852f842@borgcollective> Message-ID: <48E2558F.3070309@verizon.net> Don West wrote: > Thanks for all the great response on my auto stop issue. It seems a > consensus about the reel motor. I was able to download the service > manual, and have looked it over. I haven't had time to open the > machine yet, I will soon. I have worked on a variety of devices. As > far as cassette, I even repaired a low end consumer deck that was > crammed together, as well as a Tascam 122MKII pro deck (easy to get to > the boards and mechanisms, but for a pro deck it sure needed a lot of > constant tweaking). Anyway, for those that have been inside the CR-7A, > is the reel motor fairly easy to access and remove/replace? It should be fairly easy for any technically inclined hobbyist > Also a thought from another tech was a motion sensor. Would this be > the photo cells I see on the auto shut off board? It looks like they > are watching the motor and give the command to stop when needed. Yes, that's the one on the shut-off board. These are far less prone to failure than the reel motor. It's easily tested, as follows. Remove the cassette door cover and close the door. Press REW. You will note that the supply (left) hub rotates for about a second and then stops. Now, press REW again and rotate the take up hub with your fingers clockwise. If the supply hub keeps rotating as long as you rotate the take up hub, but stops when you stop, the shut off board is fine. Since your deck has a gear idler and if your shut off board is OK, it is highly likely the reel motor is the problem. Good luck, -- Ron > > The CR-7A I have was purchased used from a great Nak outfit many years > back. It had been thoroughly gone through, and the idler upgrade > performed. This is the first issue I've had with it, otherwise it is > the most amazing sound I've heard from a cassette, truly a great machine. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koman56 at otenet.gr Tue Sep 30 18:56:44 2008 From: koman56 at otenet.gr (Emmanuel T. Komninos) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:56:44 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon lives! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E25A4C.1070609@otenet.gr> Hi Pelle! I am interested on a Dolby IC board for one of my Dragons, but i am in Athens Greece if you can email me of list maybe we can figure out something .. Thanks Manos O/H Pär Ericsson ??????: > Hello! > > My beloved Dragon is alive again! He was eating tape and recorded > badly on the r/h channel when Dolby C > was selected. The first problem was easy to fix since i had a brand > new motor board, but the second took > some time to figure out. Finally i found that the the r/h encoder > Dolby ic was u/s. After replacement of the ic > everything was okey. Next, I replaced all the orange caps and > calibrated the deck and now it works perfect! > > If anyone needs Dolby ic´s I have some left. > > Now I will start with my next project, a badly abused 680ZX. Does > anybody got the metal plate thats located > on the cassette door with the text "Auto Azimuth Alignment"? > > Pelle. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu Tue Sep 30 19:56:25 2008 From: kby+naktalk at alumni.caltech.edu (Kimo B. Yap) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:56:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] any cure for squeaking DG cassettes? Message-ID: Can you tell what the squeak is? Is it the tape against the sides of the shell or rollers in the cassette? I don't happen to have an pre-recorded DGs (don't have many commercial pre-recorded as well as most of the at least classical ones were pretty lousy back then relative to their vinyl counterparts). I don't suppose it's easy to take the shell apart and transplant the tape...dubbing is of course the other alternative, but, of course, degrades the sound some.-kby From willyherm at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 20:17:14 2008 From: willyherm at gmail.com (Willy Hermann) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:17:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon lives! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b6f92900809301117g66f158e3h777fc96ae05379da@mail.gmail.com> I have a parts 682ZX with that metal plate. Its edges have paint chipped off but you might be able to repaint. Contact me off NakTalk. Willy willyherm at gmail.com On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 6:20 AM, Pär Ericsson wrote: > Hello! > > My beloved Dragon is alive again! He was eating tape and recorded badly on > the r/h channel when Dolby C > was selected. The first problem was easy to fix since i had a brand new > motor board, but the second took > some time to figure out. Finally i found that the the r/h encoder Dolby ic > was u/s. After replacement of the ic > everything was okey. Next, I replaced all the orange caps and calibrated > the deck and now it works perfect! > > If anyone needs Dolby ic´s I have some left. > > Now I will start with my next project, a badly abused 680ZX. Does anybody > got the metal plate thats located > on the cassette door with the text "Auto Azimuth Alignment"? > > Pelle. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========---------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lfnkcks619 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 30 20:36:12 2008 From: lfnkcks619 at yahoo.com (Evan Lowery) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: LX-5 playback head Message-ID: <874742.42695.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone sell or have a source for new/used/low milage playback heads for an LX-5? If the naks info on the site is correct it is a 'P-8L' playback head. Is there an upgrade/better replacement head for this unit? Also is there an "upgraded dolby IC" or is that not possible because there are multiple/too many ICs/parts to replace? Are there any other LX-5 upgrades that are worth the time, effort and money? Thanks a lot -Evan From hitech77 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 30 23:48:14 2008 From: hitech77 at earthlink.net (Tom Brucker) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:48:14 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [naktalk] any cure for squeaking DG cassettes? Message-ID: <11860717.1222811294067.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Kimo, I am posting for Mr. Battagliani, Dragon owner, who only gets to read NakTalk when his daughter is home. My understanding is that this is stick-slip similar to the bad batch of TDK tapes. He is trying some other non-DG cassettes to compare. He has collected all 64 von Karajan titles on DG! tom brucker -----Original Message----- >From: "Kimo B. Yap" >Sent: Sep 30, 2008 12:56 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] any cure for squeaking DG cassettes? > >Can you tell what the squeak is? Is it the tape against the sides of >the shell or rollers in >the cassette? I don't happen to have an pre-recorded DGs (don't have >many commercial pre-recorded >as well as most of the at least classical ones were pretty lousy back >then relative to their >vinyl counterparts). I don't suppose it's easy to take the shell >apart and transplant the tape...dubbing >is of course the other alternative, but, of course, degrades the >sound some.-kby >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Register your Nak today! http://www.naks.com/register >========---------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >Maintain your account here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========---------------------------------------------------------========= Hi Tech Service 2934 Nolensville Rd. Nashville, TN 37211 hitech77 at earthlink.net hitech at bellsouth.net 615-331-9241